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No. 300611

Over-The-Top Spoonies/Munchausen By Internet Attention Whores General #4
Previous Thread: >>>/snow/237479

Discuss people who feign or exaggerate chronic illnesses and medical crises for attention and asspats online. Previous topic focused primarily on Instagram accounts, but posts from blogs and other social media sites are admissible.

Some of the more notable cows from the previous threads:
LifeUndiagnosedd, aka Hypermobilegeek on IG (and a shit ton more accounts). Robyn Brown is the milkiest munchiechan we've ever seen ("Kadeelyn on steroids" as another anon put it) and has her own threads now (original: >>197138 ).
MyLifeStruggles on IG
JourneyToEmma on IG
Jonzie08 on IG

What Is A "Spoonie"?
People who identify as 'Spoonies' are referencing 'The Spoon Theory,' written by a woman with lupus to explain the chronic illness experience to a healthy friend who asked her what it really feels like to live with her medical problems.
The 'Spoonie' Community is, in general, a legitimate supportive network for people dealing with chronic illness. In recent years, however, it has become polluted with SJW types and has attracted a new breed of attention-seeking catfish: people who lie about, fake having, and/or exaggerate existing medical problems and crises for no benefit other than to garner attention.

What Is Munchausen By Internet (MBI)?
From Dr. Marc Feldman, an expert in factitious disorders including Munchausen Syndrome, first described Munchausen By Internet in 2000:
"…the advent of online support groups, combined with access to vast stores of medical information, enabled individuals seeking to gain sympathy by relating a series of harrowing medical or psychological problems that defy comprehension to misuse the groups.[1] Communication forums specializing in medical or psychological recovery were established to give lay users support in navigating often confusing and frustrating medical processes and bureaucracy. Communities often formed on those forums, with the goal of sharing information to help other members. Medical websites also became common, giving lay users access to literature in a way that was accessible to those without specific medical training. As Internet communication grew in popularity, users began to forgo the doctors and hospitals often consulted for medical advice. Frequenting virtual communities that have experience with a medical problem, Feldman notes, is easier than going through the physical pain or illness that would be necessary before visiting a doctor to get the attention sought. By pretending to be gravely ill, Internet users can gain sympathy from a group whose sole reason for existence is support. Health care professionals, with their limited time, greater medical knowledge, and tendency to be more skeptical in their diagnoses, may be less likely to provide that support."

LINKS to articles and info on MBI:
https://www.munchausen.com (Dr. Feldman's website)

No. 300612

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Was waiting for someone else to make a new thread, but it's been three days and I obtained update screenshots concerning Eli, and couldn't wait any longer.

So far, seems he has a new kitten (What happened to all those different dogs he claimed to have?)


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Also, surgery? Seems he's keeping up with the bullshit of surgery and whatnot on his Facebook, but never mentions it on his Instagram. Seems fishy, honestly.


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An "update" on his "surgery".

Looks too clean, what the hell is that on his chest too?
Plus, from what I know of hospitals, at least in the UK, is that they have lights on at all times, even during the day. The lighting in his photo is off if he was in hospital, since it's a natural light, not an artificial one. He could very easily be at home pretending again, like the old days.


No. 300633

the thing on his shoulder is called tegaderm, but you can get that in every drug store. what is he claiming the surgery is about?

what is weirder to me is the oxygen tube. why would he need oxygen tube? that's only for people with heart or lung conditions, not regularely after usualy surgeries. And… every kind of piercings as well as ear rings are removed before a surgery. no matter what kind of surgery it is. He is flat out lying.

It's ridiculous. Just imagine how long it took him to prepare that shit at home and then making that facial expression for a picture. i wonder how many similar looking selfies he has on his phone right now.

No. 300645

I had day surgery at the alleged hospital to remove an ovarian growth and was made to take out every last piercing including facial ones before I arrived at the hospital to save time before surgery. The last thing on my mind was getting to put them back in as soon as I woke up.
The metal can cause interference with surgical equipment such as electrical burns from the equipment used to cauterize wounds.
Sage for blogging

No. 300670

My bf had an oxygen tube after a non dramatic op on his throat for around 5 hours after surgery (I'm in the UK). He had to take his piercings out and I doubt it he'd been in so much pain as on this munchies face he wouldn't be arsed to locate where the jewellery was, let alone put it back in. Also, the bf was on morphine drip for a while and zonked off his tits for half a day. He wouldn't have been able to take a selfie (if phone cameras had existed then). I say bullshit.

Sage for another kinda personal blog, but further evidence of lies.

No. 300677

He's claimed to have heart surgery in the past so the oxygen tube may be to do with that. Then again there were those old screenshots of him wearing a breathing tube and it being visibly taped to his arm in the photo, so it's proven he at least owns and has misused one before.

However, yeah, the piercings give him away. Might explain why he cropped it out in his Instagram post regarding it. That or he's just cropping the identifiable part of his face out as usual,

No. 300702

What is his IG?

Also, his mother and his aunt are both in his friend list on Facebook. Do they comment under those posts? How would be be able to post that stuff if it was fake without them getting on to it?

No. 300712

You can have settings on Facebook that make your posts visible to all but the people you decide can't see it.
Although it's evident his mother is in on it in some way, judging from the fact she insisted it was just his account getting hacked, and her statement to the newspapers that covered the story two months ago.

He has two Instagrams, one is private and inactive, seemingly (thepunkinthemonk), and the other is folie_a_you

No. 300720

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Does anyone follow this chick? I just found her today but holy hell is she obsessed with medical paraphernalia. The caption says she had to take this shit before takeoff so my question is why?? Why on a fucking plane. And why are you taking a photo of it and possibly blocking the narrow plane aisle. If you take away all the EDS WARRIOR bullshit items it'd look like the drug addict sampler platter

No. 300721

How is she even allowed all that shit on a plane? Did they just let her take it on as hand luggage?
Did she even say what it was?

No. 300732

medical geek here. Things totally wrong with this pic; 1. (As already mentioned) the piercing jewelry. 2. The gross discolouration of the oxygen tubing…classicly seen when patients have home oxgyen and dont change their tubing over regularly and it becomes old, yellowly/brown and manky looking. You should never see old and visibly dirty looking tubing being used on anyone in hospital - Indicating he probably is wearing something he has had a while at home. 3. What is that slightly black stuff to the very right edge of the pic? I have a cat and it genuinely looks like it does when my cat it accidentally slightly in a picture im trying to take!

No. 300737

It's just plastic syringes

No. 300738

I thought it could possibly be self harm scars or scratches or something. But now that you point it out, it looks less like that and more like his cat or dog has accidentally got in the frame. I know he got a new kitten, and they crawl about everywhere. Probably his kitten.

The lighting is absolutely a dead giveaway.

And… do you usually wake up naked after a surgery? Surely he would have some sort of gown on?

No. 300747

I think the black stuff might be a tattoo? He has that many, it's a possibility. Although it could also be the new kitten, it is the right colour for it.

It's true though, the lighting and the lack of gown are a giveaway that it's a bunch of bullshit. Everyone I've ever visited in a public hospital, unless brought clothes by their families, are in gowns of some sorts. He certainly wouldn't be topless after an operation, anyway.

No. 300749


he should be concerned that he "woke up" naked

No. 300753

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Some old milk from his old facebook

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No. 300757

Funny to see how many diagnoses he gained between 2015 and the "doctor's" letter from 2016

No. 300767

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Dug up this in the last thread, it's even better if you look at the progression 2013 > 2015 > 2016.

No. 300912

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Used to be frequent ER flyer. Bitches about getting really bad Tn flares, but refuses to avoid triggers. And it seems like she has no clue how triage in an ER works: Chronic nerve pain is no emergency, so of course you can wait several hours! Especially when you're able to play with your phone and take pictures of other people with it while having unreal nerve pain.

She has no problem with publishing photos or full names of doctors, nurses, friends or other people on social media in order to defame them. Sometimes people even ask her to take certain photos down, because of this reason. Especially when they show the name(here her oh-so-bitchy doctor) of somebody.

No. 300930

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She actually thinks she should be able to tell her doctors what to give her.

No. 300933

…don't people with cystic fibrosis usually die in their 20s?

No. 300948

Or sooner. And usually quality of life is low in terms of getting out and about, especially if you enjoy sports. Like lacrosse. Or karate.

With all of his supposed conditions I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to be alive, i'm just saying i rather fucking doubt he'd be such a beacon of shining hope and love etc. etc.

And just…ugh. Everything about him pisses me off.

No. 300958

In mild cases, they can have a near to normal life expectancy. Though, with this kid, everything is ~super extreme seriousness~. He posted on his blog (now deleted, a shame, it was a great source of milk) that they'd tried every antibiotic possible for his recurrent infections and he was now resistant to them all.
It's funny when you think that, having admitted himself his life expectancy is 20ish, he had a "heart transplant".
They don't give transplants to people that will die anyway in less than three years.

No. 300961

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>My body is a ticking time bomb

No. 300991

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How can you be ~so exhausted~ from moving when you clearly state you had a moving crew?

No. 300993

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Who is ready for some more oversharing and tag abuse.user is MadameMcWeed because clearly making your entire identity around being ill and smoking weed is a good idea

(Note, you can see the piss inside the piss jug due to lighting)

No. 300994

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Caption with all the cringey tags.

No. 300998

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This user is otherwise not milky but this brace thing is getting out pf hand.

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No. 301001

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Another bane mask

No. 301002

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No. 301126

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Apparently she's on ‎Adriamycin and has been for 23 weeks. A chemo drug which causes near total hair loss…

No. 301130

Also who the fuck has enough energy or looks healthy enough to do a modelling shoot whilst having chemo

No. 301256

When asked how she could be planning college She said that they are reducing her dose of chemo because she's responding so well… yeaaaah… they do your full course and then assess you again.

No. 301280

Lol guessing youre a similar sceptic who has had almost identical convos with this particular cow
'Im so sick omg dying #beatcancer #dissociativeidentitydisorder #schizophrenia #beatana' whilst simultaneously asking for money to go to college and being super sketchy and evasive about any and all details pertaining to her 'cancer' and treatment

No. 301281

Talia Castanello, aka Taliajoy18. But she was trying to raise awareness for childhood cancer. Unfortunately, she passed away at age 13.

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ugh whatever. she actually had cancer though. im pretty certain anons post was sarcasm.

No. 301544

Yeah, she actually had cancer and the only reason she looked "well enough" to model was a shitload of makeup to make her look less like a chemo corpse and she had no hair. This chick is claiming she's having chemo, still has hair which is evidently growing quickly, conveniently "forgets" some of the drugs she's on and even claimed she's on a 3 drug combination when the treatment for Ewings sarcoma is a 5 drug combo. >>301256 LOL no doctor would ever do that. Do you have caps of her saying this?

No. 301592

Amazing how someone can go from having the occasional absence seizure without a known cause to magically having epilepsy diagnosed in childhood, dude must be a time traveler.

No. 301754

The case of the time travelling munchie, a novel by B. Ullshitter. I'm gonna have a snoop on some health forums, see if I can find any milk. I mean, he's BOUND to be on multiple

No. 301830

And from occasional absence seizure to Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome, a very severe and very rare form of epilepsy. Multiple seizure types that are very hard to control and is often accompanied by intellectual disability.

No. 301833


Yeah I am pretty sure doctors don't reduce the dose of chemo because you are doing well. They might reduce it when you aren't handling it well. There is a reason they don't just end chemo as soon as their is no evidence of disease and if you can handle the full dose they are going to want you to continue with the full dose.

No. 301834

There are caps of her saying that in the last thread.
I asked her what she'd been diagnosed and she left Aspergers off the extensive list despite making several tumblr posts about it

No. 301846

click on the post number you want to reply to, then that will appear in your post (like my reply to you here).

No. 301929

not a fucking hope in hell he has Lennox Gestaut. One of the diagnosing symptoms is moderate to severe intellectual impairment. Plus he would get worse ability wise as he got older. He chats such fuckign shit

No. 302014

Yes! Do it anon!

No. 302038

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Because this reply doesn't make you look crazy at all… also why would she email her doctor before she's even seen the neurologist? Couldn't she just tell the neurologist?

No. 302079

she seems to see someone at the pain clinic, so I don't think her GP or her neurologist are even allowed to give her stronger stuff for a weekend? And as far as I can tell it's kinda odd, that she always end up at the ER. Guess 2 weeks ago she went to the ER, because one of her roommates stole her painmeds.
And she was able to apply make-up and do her hair without having to cancel the trip. She often writes that this triggers her TN, epecially when people critize her behaviour

No. 302292

None of her conditions make her need the ear defenders…

No. 302552

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No. 302634

Why would they give muscle relaxers to someone with POTS?!

It weakens the vagal tone and can cause the blood pressure to go even lower.

No. 302668

Littlemisswheeler appears to have deleted the doctors letter off instagram. Would be interesting to know if she was told or saw it here

No. 302680

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"I'm sooper sick, nobody is sicker than me!" Also amazing how the DID has taken forefront and the cancer has conveniently vanished… She's also claiming that no inpatient facility will take her because she's "too complicated." That's not how it works, if she was that sick she would be sectioned, end of.

No. 302681

saged for blogging, but i have been following these threads for too long now, someone actually posted to bring awareness to EDS and my immediate thought was another cow.

No. 302887

Guess she wanted to get more attention and no one gave her the comments she wanted to read. It happens quite often, especially on facebook.

No. 302997

I doubt anyone told her. She probably realized how stupid it looked.

No. 302998

Whenever I see ear defenders like that, I avoid the person because I assume they're some sort of shrieking spazz.

No. 303068

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What health facility has nice china like that? And I doubt many places would share a staff member's cake with patients…

No. 303081

Staff absolutely don't share food with clients. Staff don't eat with clients. If a cake was brought in for a nurses birthday it may have been shared with staff and clients on that ward but not on fancy chinaware. It makes more work cleaning up and is a big risk if they're on a psych ward.

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No health facility has china like that, inpatient or outpatient. Hell, even I don't have china like that… She has a vivid imagination, her tumblr is a goldmine…

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Also what is this white people bullshit? "you don't need fancy oils or fragrances, they don't do anything for you." Has she looked in mirror lately, because if anyone needs to moisturise their hair and put some argan oil on it, it's her. Not everyone has basic white girl hair. Sage because I'm salty as fuck/blogpost

No. 303164

I was a bullied cutter in high school. My whole school knew, and nothing like this ever fucking happened. Nothing like this has ever happened anywhere.

No. 303209

The more of that the read, the more you go from "well that seems unlikely…" to "hahaha wtf are you actually trying to pass this off as the truth?!" Why would someone rip her sleeve to expose cuts? And I love that she's trying to say they followed her home while yelling at her or some shit. She is an idiot!

No. 303211

Not to mention how hard it would be to actually rip a sleeve…

No. 303241


Staff members are not supposed to share food with patients although I have worked in a few health facilities where some of the younger well-known patients always seemed to be able to get their hands on staff treats. That being said - I have never seen a health facility with fancy patterned dishes. Plus if it was a treat/snack outside of the meal and passed out to staff, it would probably be served on a disposable (paper/styrofoam) plate.

No. 303285

Why would you take propanolol the beta blocker for temporary pain? At most it'll be for migraines, but really it's a heart medication?

Like wtf? Also outer ear infections don't even need antibiotics they go on their own??? Why's she such a massive baby? It's people like her why we're all gonna die from mrsa.

No. 303287

A year ago
> I have hypermobile syndrome
>I have vascular eds

Sure okay.

No. 303368

But she's Dutch so "its different over there!" Which is basically her excuse for all the blatantly falsified shit she tries to pass off as the truth. Like the time she tried to pass of being sectioned in Holland whilst studying in the UK.
Yeah I've done varying inpatient stays and I don't remember one time staff treats were stared. We didn't even have glasses, they were all plastic tumblers…

No. 303372

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It's painfully obvious Hannah is sending herself anonymous hate too. I mean this DOES NOT read like a rape survivor who received a genuine rape threat. Her response is too predictable and calm for starters.

No. 303388

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"I'm sectioned but living abroad!" Yeah right.

No. 303400

wtf… that makes zero sense
nowhere does a foreign exchange for goddamn sectioning exist

No. 303457


She's not in a hospital or unit or anything I don't believe. She never said she was on Any of her recent posts. So please find some better milk! If she was a cow she'd be posting constantly about her being in hospital. And she's not.
Can we dig up more milk on eli instead. He's more interesting.

No. 303462

Really? Can you not find anything recent rather than something over a year ago?
We want to see recent milk.

No. 303546

I think someone tipped the cow as she's deleted her tumblr

No. 303552

Tumblr is shit anyway.

Doesn't mean she was tipped, maybe she just couldn't be bothered with tumblr.

I've had tumblr accounts, Instagram account and I've deleted them because I couldn't be bothered with them or I wanted a fresh start…

No. 303676

true, but her aspie asspats tumblr is still up. Yeah, tumblr is shit.

No. 303692

Are you selfposting? Or just WKing? Because Eli is old milk and boring af. Hannah has really recent stuff about cancer and DID and that cake picture claimed to be from a NURSE implying HOSPITAL which given the plate is clearly not the case. There is milk there and lots of it.

No. 303735

No im not whiteknighting.
I just know from personal experience that she may have just been out with friends or something and one of them could be a nurse. Doesn't instantly imply she's in hospital… she didn't say she was in hospital.

Anyway I went to one of the weddings of a nurse who looked after my sister. And I ate CAKE there!
So if I made a post with a picture of a cake saying "having a piece of the nurses cake" does that mean I'm in hospital too?

I have a lot of friends and relatives who are doctors, nurses, social workers etc.

Anyway as a kid my CAMHS worker use to take me out to cafes for our appointments and she'd buy me cake and a drink.
They do stuff like that a lot. All my MH workers have done that over the years.

Jesus. Stop jumping to conclusions there's no milk there.

Find someone who's an actual cow. I'm tired of hearing about her on hear.
I want you to talk about actual cows.
Like Eli, endlessvoices… people like them.

You're just trying to come up with conclusions because you can't find any milk. It's obvious.

Not trying to whiteknight anyone I just hate it when these threads are filled with boring people.

No. 303751

She has nothing to do with your brief camhs meetings since she's claiming to be sectioned to inpatient. Your defenses for her are weak, and don't work.

No. 303752

weird whiteknight detected

No. 303755

where is she claiming to be sectioned?

I just merely have scanned her Instagram after seeing her posted on here

No. 303757


Yeah because someone calling someone out on jumping to conclusions is whiteknighting for sure.

You're misunderstood what whiteknighting is.

No. 303778

Her Instagram is private, she's pretending to be given things like cake by nurses indicating being in a facility, >>303388
Here she claims to be sectioned AND not in hospital which isn't possible, but please, keep defending this lying creep by desperately reaching for anecdotes about seeing a case manager (entirely different to a nurse) and butchering English to attempt to make a point.

No. 303812


Read the date on that. How long ago was that?
It's not recent therefore it's not relevant.

And butchering English?
Fuck off, you're getting on my tits now.

I followed these threads for ages.

The people writing in these threads lately seem to be digging up old milk not new milk. I'm here to post about cows, RECENT cows, I've seen her Instagram and tumblr. There's no recent milk there.

Seems like you all are running out of cows to post about

No. 303819

Too bad friendo, the thread isn't here to cater to you. Bring some new milk if you don't like what's here.
And yes butchering the language. The fuck around you reached for about having some nurses cake was terrible. Bitching about current content is more boring than old milk. Bring something new to the table or find something else to do.

No. 303862


Wow is this bizarre. Makes me think you might be. ..Hannah?

So my mom is the charge nurse in 3rd Ward (psych unit) at a hospital in the U.S. I was even briefly hospitalized there (my mom had to move units while i was housed there due to the potential for favoritism, favors, and conflict of interest).

Which brings me to my point. Now, I don't know about Europe, but in America, to sit and share staff cake would be a huge breach in professionalism, and potentially be seen as a break in code of conduct due it being seen as favoritism (did everyone in Hannah's unit get cream cake? Or was it just the sooper-special-sick princess)? Singling one patient out for asspats and favors is very untowards in appearance (is there an inappropriate relationship going on, etc.) and would never fly in a psych unit in the US, ever. I need to ask my mom, but i am confident such conduct would warrant disciplinary action.

Don't even get me started on the glass plate. Hell's bells it was thick plastic sporks for you on Third Ward when n I stayed there.

Oh, and stfo about who is, and who isn't worthy to be in this thread. Scout out a new cow who is more milky or GTFO……Hannah.

No. 303874

Yeah the writing style of >>303735 is super similar to Hannah's. Especially the bit about the wedding, it reads exactly like the replies to her self-sent asks.

In the UK Nurses would not be allowed to share food with patients, staff could buy food for all the patients to share as a treat, eg on holidays, but to give one patient food is a MASSIVE breach of professionalism like you say, and would warrant disciplinary action. The plate is also a fucking massive nope. We had catering plates on the ward I was on which were hard (nigh on impossible) to break and plastic cups. I mean the water didn't even run hotter than like 60c..

Jog on, Hannah.

No. 304014

Then you rushed to Lolcow to tell everyone about how you questioned where she was and commented that the plates were nice, and now she knows for sure that you're on here. Great job.

No. 304154

RE chemo and getting out and about;
My step mum was flying interstate every week (or second week?) to teach at uni after having a double mastectomy and lymph node removal and then chemo.
She'd have her chemo, wait the 3 days til the worst symptoms abated, fly up, work for 4 days, come back down etc

And now my sister, who has a terminal brain tumour, is going back to work part time (she can drive again for now- no seizures for 6 months) even though she's also having multiple courses of chemo- I think she has a full week on then 2 weeks off for the next 12 months? IDK exactly.
But she basically experiences the same thing as my step mum, a few days of feeling like shit followed by feeling ok.

OBV it's down to what type of chemo meds you're having too (my step mum's was IV, my sister's is in tablet form) and how frequently you're having it, but they act pretty aggressively when managing a glioblastoma multiforme in someone as young as my sister just to extend her time and they don't fuck around with grade 2/stage 2 breast cancer either (my step mum's).

I mean, lots of people work while undergoing chemo, lots of people just have a few off days and then go back to work, rinse and repeat.

So it is possible to have some nice photos taken on a good day.

Mind you, both of my family members experienced hair loss, so that does make this chick's cancer claims seem shady as fuck.

sage for self blogging

No. 304253

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How can somene cry about being the victim of cyberbullying and act like this? Why are cows always telling people, that other people are just trying to get attention and that they are sick in their head?

No. 304254

When I first came across Nicole I thought she was genuine, but these days I just find myself wanting to bash my head on a wall every time I read her posts.
For example in this post if you have severe nausea and have been having for a long time you do not think oh not only do I need a massive main for lunch but soup too! I'm sorry no just no when you have had long term nausea for a good while you try easy stuff not eat masses in one go that's clearly going to end badly are you a freaking tard


No. 304261

Damn, your family are metal as fuck. Sorry about your sister fam.

Hannah is claiming she's on adriamycin IV, which is like the no1 hair-loss causing chemo drug, yet her hair is quite clearly not falling out. Plus treatment for Ewings Sarcoma uses a 5 drug combo and she only listed 3.

No. 304311

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So randomly stumbled upon this account while searching for pro ana scumbags… holy shit this account is a munchie goldmine (1/2)

No. 304313

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Here's part of the massive accompanying text!

No. 304320

Wow I don't even know how to respond to that level of crazy… hiw stupid is she?!

No. 304347

you don't have to put anything in the email field btw

No. 304350

Oops didn't actually mean to! Thanks

No. 304432

It's like munchie bingo, holy crap.

No. 304484

oh shit theyve got that chronic spontanous gastvolautonamia also you cant just "put" a rib or a clavicle back in place

No. 304498

Well you can put it into place if you know what you're doing. Most people with EDS relocate joints themselves.

Planned appointments for joint relocations however are something I've never heard of. That makes zero sense.

No. 304644

She probably just went to the osteopath, but couldn't say that cause everything has to be sooper srs cause she's the sickest of the sick (can't you see she's wearing a MASK!)

No. 304693

i really hope chiari malformation doesnt become a hip new faux-dx

No. 304737

Sadly I have seen it relatively often in the EDS and POTS crowds.

No. 304828

ha, thanks, they're pretty determined.
Watching a brain tumour take my sister is pretty hard negl (and our mum died a few years ago from cancer too)
Fuck cancer, for real
And fuck these munchie shits for playing with this- they should be forced to do the death watch with someone dying from cancer as punishment, bc that shit is traumatising as fuck.

saged for venting

No. 304954

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Definitely a munchie. All those tubes hanging out her cleavage, and half of them don't connect to anything. Draws the eyes away from the shaved eyebrows I suppose

No. 304960

Sage for samefag but did anyone see the JBN post about donating NG tubes to that stuffed animal program? It's a bullshit program anyway but the post disappeared before I capped and I'm wondering why.

No. 304968


She removed the post because someone told her what she was doing is illegal

No. 304970


As someone who actually has EDS and POTS all these munchies make me so angry. I don't know how they find the energy to milk all their drama on social media when I often don't have the energy to use my phone.

No. 304976

her tubes are connected to her fucking stoma dude learn to lurk

No. 305009

Yeah the feeding tube and clamp hanging closed are in use right now learn to use your fucking eyes before your mouth

No. 305062

Jesus fucking Christ, these pictures. It is SO uncomfortable to have your access lines pulled up and hanging out of your shirt like that, like WTF with these Munchie instawhore drama queens? I can't.
You only connect them when infusing food/IV meds/fluids or whatever, so that in and of itself isn't an issue. Hanging them out your fucking shirt is an issue!

No. 305094

And why do they always refer to themselves as pixies?

No. 305116

Her stoma as in an incision made to direct the flow of faeces and urine? She'd want tubes related to that hanging out of her shirt? Sounds legit, anon.
But mirroring what >>305009 said, they're closed, not in use.

No. 305278

Confirmed for not knowing what "lurk" means.

No. 305999

Where did nicole's acc go lol

No. 306008

She blocked yo ass.

No. 306187

She's maybe either deleted Instagram (thank God!) or changed her account name (not so easy to find)

No. 306234


She's changed her username.

No. 306467

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claims cancer is in leg

No. 306517

She's either going to claim its metastasised to her brain or its a chemo side effect

No. 306519

Also this post has mysteriously vanished from her IG, she's probably lurking here still.

No. 306679

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How come he needs carers to come shower and dress him but can stand unaided to take a picture?

No. 306691

I can't see any evidence of braces either

No. 306761

Ah I am so glad someone brought up Juliet AKA paradoxicalperfection. She started all her chronic illness BS after she 'recovered' from anorexia. She has an extensive history of severe anorexia, binge and purge subtype. But claims her gastroparesis is caused by her EDS. She lives mostly off of her formula, but she does eat solid food at times…usually junk food. Then she bitches about how it made her sick.

No. 306764

Also wanted to add she always manages to have makeup on. When she had surgery to have her port put in she had makeup on in her preop pic. Right after surgery she posted a pic and her makeup was smeared. When she was leaving the hospital she took ANOTHER selfie and her makeup was all fixed up again.

No. 306772

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I'm sick therefore you CAN'T make me eat! Ngl she screams anorexic. Can anyone with medical knowledge debunk or explain these claims?

No. 306778

Is she claiming DID because in her IG bio its "system=stronger" after Cptsd?

No. 307184


I wonder if the "cow" OT that doesn't believe he needs a wheelchair or braces follows his social media.

No. 307378

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EDS does not leave you unable to feel your legs…?

No. 307387

what do y'all think about the narcolepsy camp?
for a disease that rare they sure do sprout like weed among young people.

No. 307395

>weird fucking dance to anime music

No. 307549


He also had functional neurological disorder. Look it up, it's erm fascinating.

No. 307705

Has anyone ever noticed ~spoonies~ who have had a blood clot and/or sepsis proudly display it in their IG bios? I.E. 'Sepsis Survivor. Blood Clot Survivor' ?

No. 307719

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When people doubt her or try to help her, she either blocks them or deletes their comments. And when followers point this out she gets all defensive, because she clearly is the victim here sarcasm off
Sadly there are still enough people who believe her lies and praise her for her braveness.

According to her the sinusitis only lasts some hours or a day, but how can a sinusitis frontalis only hurt for such a short time? Something is clearly wrong with her researching technique

No. 307915

I think about this a lot. Most notably imo chronically_jacquie and famous helper_dog_harlow. It made sense when it was just narcolepsy, but then she jumped on the EDS/dysautonomia/GP/mast cell/every other fucking spoonie snowflake syndrome that is the diagnostic equivalent of "I'unno-NOS"

No. 308264


I'm thinking cluster headaches may be next. I've noticed a lot of people suddenly have it, but don't take anything for it because it's not "that bad".

If you say cluster headaches are not that bad you clearly don't have cluster headaches lmfao

No. 308469

I really hope that with the new EDS Crimea, fewer people will be diagnosed and therefore, there will be less spoonie warrior zebra twattishness on IG.

No. 308473

Oops, EDS criteria!

No. 308484


She's clearly still very eating disordered and she could be lying but she claims she has classical EDS which a blood test cnfirmed.

I reckon her problems are 98% due to her eating disorder.

No. 308505

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Update on Eli, seems he's either legally changed his name to Hunter Cole Stiles, or has a fake provisional.

That, and if he had even half of what he used to claim he had, he wouldn't be allowed to drive. He'd be given a disabled persons bus pass and rail card, but he'd never be allowed to learn to drive.


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No. 308520

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Also could have literally just googled all this shit and rewrote it

No. 308616

Looks suspicious.

No. 308639

Doesn't he have seizures? Also there's so much red tape regarding driving with a prosthetic in the UK, not to mention his other health problems…

No. 308640

He used to claim he had lennox gastaut syndrome, which is severe epilepsy you're stuck with forever, or so he claimed.
There's that much red tape around that alone, can't have had a seizure within 12 months, has to be controllable through medication, among other things.

No. 308641

Also on that license what looks like its meant to be a hologram seems more like a sticker or embossment or something.

No. 308645

I thought so. Yeah and even then you have a medical provisional, which limits certain stuff etc. This kid could shoot for being convincing and end up on fucking pluto.

No. 308649

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Hannah has obviously been lurking on here

No. 308651

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No. 308758


Waiting for this asshole to claim he has sporadic fatal insomnia. When confronted with the obviousness of his lie he'll say, "whoops, my bad, upon further testing my ~team~ of doctors discovered that my super special variant can be fixed by two benadryl and a glass of wine before bedtime. Who knew? Well, off to see my psychiatrist!"

No. 308761


Yeah - when picking out which diagnosis you want on the internet you should probably not claim Lennox Gastaut Syndrome - the very rare and very severe type of epilepsy which is by definition not controlled through medication.
Just one of the many fake diagnoses that would make getting a driver's license impossible.

No. 309007

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wants to be a nurse but is triggered by ambulances, talking about mental health stuff aka basically everything medical. Also always blames everyone else for her issues, doesn't take responsibility and is bitchy as fuck.

No. 309031

She's already flipping out over it. Goddamn that was quick

No. 309123

She's seen this and put it on IG, but if she's seen it, it means she's been lurking here and more than likely posting about people. I mean she's constantly side-posting about people on IG. Some of us are actually in the recovery community and are sick of your toxicity to others, Lauren. Take some responsibility yourself and unfollow those triggering people instead of bitching about them without naming them.

No. 309140

Yeah, a lot of the people in the recovery community post shit about each other here, but freak out the second they're mentioned. I could name a few I know for a fact are here.

No. 309206

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Prove it, Lauren. We all know you lurk here. You're no different to us.

>>309140 please do!

No. 309215

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Nice manipulating/guilt tripping of other people for your actions, Lauren. "may as well doing it right" - stop claiming self-injurious intent to make other people feel guilty. Just call them out and be done with it. Manipulating will get you nowhere.

No. 309247

We know you're a farmer, stop embarrassing yourself by denying it.

No. 309260

tbf provisional is just used as a valid picture id in a lot of cases. My bro has one and he's legally blind, will never be allowed to drive.

No. 309263

I wonder if she was the one who posted about rebuilding.gem on here despite Gemma actually being really unwell. Every time Gemma is feeling unstable you can guarantee Lauren will post a cryptic "thanks for triggering me" post or say about how unstable she is (which is far more than whoever posted about it first, naturally.) Stop being toxic Lauren, and if you are going to be, at least don't deny you're a farmer.

No. 309320

why does she believe she can be the only one that's ill all the time.

No. 309322

Don't know who's more fucking annoying Lauren or rediscoveringbethany bore attention whores

No. 309349

Uhh Chiari is really common with EDS. It's not something a bunch of people with EDS make up. It's common in the "EDS crowds" because it's actually common in EDS, the fuck.

No. 309354

Think you'll find you're more annoying!
This is a thread to talk about munchies, like the 'spoonie' community. Not just target people because they're 'annoying'.
Haha pathetic.
Come on find some cows with a lot of milk.the people who claim to have every xyz etc illness. Because they're 'chronic' special snowflakes.

No. 309356

As someone with EDS you should know how many complications can come with it. It's a very sad day when people with EDS (a severely underrecognized illness/syndrome!!!) starts hating on other people with EDS because they don't have i t "the right way." It saddens me how catty people can be.

No. 309357

But, but nobody can be sicker than Lauren! Also her going on about bullying and shit on the internet, yo Lauren, remember that time you got your followers to cyberbully an autistic girl because you didn't like that she called you 'curvy and cute'?

No. 309361

But she isn't a munchie. Do you have some personal vendetta or something?

This thread is for munchies, spoonies etc.

So please stop because she's boring.

I want to read about interesting munchies with lots of milk. Not hear you whinging like a little bitch!

No. 309371

The woman pretends to want to kill herself if someone even questions her then blames her borderline, how can you say she's not deserving of being on here???

No. 309415

>you're not different
She did one "different" thing I've never seen a munchie do… Back in her tumblr days when she was Still-comes-inpink or some shit, she used to try to get pregnant while on leave from the psych unit. Like getting pregnant while sectioned wouldn't be completely selfish and irresponsible. She'd get upset when she didn't get pregnant, she's far worse than most others I follow.

No. 309466

Oh shit. She's still obsessed with becoming pregnant and if you mention pregnancy within a ten mile radius of her she'll have an absolute chimp-out. She's not even infertile or anything so its OTT and unfair on people who actually can't have kids, ever.

No. 309545

why does just_breathe_nicole keep changing her IG name? is it because she's being called out?

No. 309573

Go on then

No. 309576

Nothing makes me angrier than this sole child and his uncontrollable spew of bullshit.

No. 309716


Yeah but he accompanied the picture of the post with text saying he was told he wouldn't get one until he was fit enough to drive and is trying to make it seem like all the sudden he has improved so much (despite claiming to have several severe and irreversible conditions which make driving unsafe and impossible).
And I don't know the procedure there but it seems fishy that he would apply for a driving license when he knew it wouldn't be approved because he was too sick and then they would just send it to him and let him know when someone finally signed off on it (you would think that whoever it was would have to discuss it with him first and then sign off).

No. 309880

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Anyone follow flimsywrists wrists too? Such a munchie. Claimed to have vEDS without having seen a geneticist. Also continually claims to get a feeding tube at her next appointment, which never happens.
The list goes on and on and on.

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No. 310052

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Not an entire munchie as its clear she does have some medical issues going on but she should be fun to discuss.
Claims to have 101 conditions going on at the same time, all causing different things, yet still manages to travel across the country mid crisis. Surely if you were that poorly you would delay holidays.
Also she pulls some horrible faces for a pretty girl, is super dramatic on instagram and during her last trip to Bali was taken home early due to medical problems to be rushed into ICU back in England, no evidence of that happening just some apparent plane drama.

Disclaimer- she obviously has some kind of medical problem that I don't deny but she's dramatic as fuck with it.

No. 310056

tbh I believe she does have cEDS and GP, and just milks the hell out of it. Same with most people in the chronic illness "community", it's no real community, just a competition to be the sickest.

No. 310057

When posting new cows please provide screencaps of something milky.

For the most part, this. It's sad.

No. 310139

I'm always wondering how she is able to afford all the trips? Does the NHS cover all the trips to the hospital in a foreign country? And why did she even fly to Bali in the first place?
And why on earth did a doctor gave her an okay for Bali or all the other places she's been to the last year? And how can you have so much energy and be so sick at the same time?

No. 310394

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Oh yes it's plausible she actually has these things. But as you said she definitely milks it. Three years ago she openly admitted her health problems were due to her ED. But now of course it has nothing to do with it. Proof attached post 1/2

No. 310397

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Post 2/2
Worth noting: she changed her IG username to 'eloquently.mending'

No. 310410

Ugh, why the hell is POTS so trendy now? you have to go to a cardiologist/electrophysiologist first and make sure you have no deficiences or other explanations. Anemia and thyroid issue can mimic tachycardia seen in POTS. THEN, you need to have a tilt table test and only after that, are you actually diagnosed with POTS.

Also, most people can pinpoint exactly when they started getting sick and the cause, because POTS almost always stems from a viral or bacterial infection months prior to the onset of symptoms. Sometimes it's triggered by puberty or pregnancy, but that kind usually goes away.

Sorry, just irks me because I have it and I've been living with it for almost a decade. And of course it's always the one accompanied by hypotension, it's never the hypertensive kind because I guess it's not cool enough or whatever.

No. 310436

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No. 310495

So she also has DID now????

No. 310503


Do these assholes even realize how truly RARE multiple personality disorder is?! Psychiatry is still debating whether or not this is a real thing. What utter nonsense.

And completely nitpicky of me, I know, but i hate when people reiterate the same expressions time and again like ~~ugh~~. Try something else to express your disdain ya dumb broad.

No. 310532

Hw fuckin stupid do you have to be to 1. Still call it "MPD" and 2. think its super rare? 1-3% of the population have it. If you're going to be a douchabag to innocent people, at least get your facts straight.

No. 310535

You must be 18 to post here.

No. 310547

that's a very good observation, although, I doubt most of the people here are 18 or older. I don't know many people over 18 who spend their time looking at lolcow and fucking over people who have nothing to do with you.

No. 310556

Oooh 1-3% of the population have it. How dare someone call it rare when it is clearly not! For shame.

No. 310565

I called it multiple personality disorder paradoxicalperfection labled herself that, dumbass, and she added DID for good measure and spoonie points. Read the damn post next time before being so triggered.

Also, I will stand behind the statement that the condition is very rare, and to quote Psychology Today (and yes I know it's not a scholerly publication), "Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is a diagnosis that is not without controversy. Experts in the fields of psychiatry and psychology publicly dispute whether or not the disorder even exists."

No. 310572

Bitch if you were a regular poster here you would know we took a survey and most posters here are 20-25.


No. 310578

There are plenty of legit articles and sites that agree with the 1-3% (well more like .5-3, i think. But i usually see the 1-3% statistic). It's a common disorder that is very much misunderstood. It's not a split personality, it is the failure of integrating the self as a child due to an outside factor (trauma)). I don't understand why y'all care so much about someone on the internet.

No. 310593

Lmao most professionals don't even consider it a legitimate thing, because it's not.

No. 310637

When did 1-3% become a percentage that means something is common?????

No. 310717

1-3% equates to 200,000 NEW cases per year. This is the internet, do you really think multiple people won't find each other?

No. 310725

I wouldn't say it's common, however, it isn't rare. From the articles I've read, it's about as common as schizophrenia or slightly more so.
It's also massively underdiagnosed.

No. 310766

Some sources say more common than schizophrenia

No. 310771

Alright DID spergs, settle down. You're derailing the thread.

No. 310820

So you are admitting DID us real. Thanks, that makes shit easier

No. 310826

No1 curr about your snowflake disease stop derailing

No. 310841

Sorry cupcake. DID is a very real.
How exactly do you think that a person who can survive years of horrific sexual, physical, and mental abuse is a snowflake?

Tell you what cupcake, you go get raped & beaten for a decade & then get back to me if your not in a heap in the corner screaming jibberish(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 310843

learn how to use this place

No. 310850

Whatever. Fuck you.(derailing)

No. 310956

Survived that, didn't develop DID. Worst thing is the people who abused me, despite being reported to the police, repeatedly, are still out there.

Sage for non-contrib to the thread

No. 310958

Is this your 6 year old "alter" typing, "cupcake"? If you'd been so badly abused would you really be telling someone to "go get raped and beaten for a decade"?

DID is fake for most of the ig/tumlrinas. It's the latest mental illness to have to be hip. Throw in SRA and WOW! cool factor +100.

No. 310982

Agreed, it seems to be one of the "fashionable" diagnoses, like EDS, POTS etc etc.

No. 311000

Why don't you go get help for your made up disease instead of embarassing yourself on the internet? Oh yeah, most providers won't treat a made up disease. I hear morgellon's is common too.

No. 311016

Know what that tells me? Either your "abuse" happened after the age of 6 or more likely your just to dim to develop DID.

No. 311020

Sweets, you're making a lot of assumptions about me and my diagnosis. Maybe you should hush cause you're just embarrassing yourself

No. 311023

>your just to dim
I laughed irl, thanks

No. 311032


stfu you spergs. no1curr about your opression points. you're both embarrassing.

No. 311036

Current literature and research assert that MPD certainly doesn't exist, and there's no definitive answer as to whether DID is real or not. It's a contentious issue between scholars, and no legitimate clinician would be telling you now, in 2017, that you are diagnosed with and suffer from DID. If your psychotherapist or doctor is telling you that, maybe double check that they're officially registered to be practicing. But don't stop seeing them quite yet because you've clearly got issues.

No. 311051

And there is even more literature that says it's real.

No. 311062

in your email field, instead of >:CHbu0
can you write sage please?

No. 311111

Protip: youtube videos where people change their hairstyle to introduce "alters" and tumblr text posts are not medical literature

No. 311113

Thank you, anon.

No. 311127

Hey faggots,

Continue ranting about DID in this thread:



No. 311137

Do you know how to actually do academic research? You do know that there is more to the internet than snapchat and youtube right?

No. 311185

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No. 311240

Just report the spergs, anons.

No. 311254

Report for giving facts and not acting like an internet troll? go ahead and report me…(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 311256


Is schizophrenia real? It has a 1.1% prevalence rate - so by y'all's logice schizophrenia is not real either.

No. 311392

Oh take your "logice" and bugger yourself with it. Or, take this to the DID thread like suggested.

No. 311553


So your best argument is correcting my typo… and here I thought this site was going to be fun. smfh(listen to your Voice of Reason)

No. 311631

Oh good grief. I'm the poster who initially said MPD gasp and DID were rare and fake. I still stand by that statement, but I wish to God I woulda kept my mouth shut only to prevent this spergfest tirade of DID *~warriors~* from starting in the first place. STFU about it already. Lawdy I'm thinking of reporting myself at this point.

Now, I would love to hear about more crunchie munchies please.

No. 311648

There is now no longer a Dx of MPD.

No. 311662

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Man, as derailed as this choo choo was, I get some of the best chuckles out of the meta side of munchies.

Potential discussion topic: why do all #DID girls look exactly the same

No. 311844

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(Go to the DID thread. It's started up again. Munchie fans will get pissed off at derailing when there's already a thread for this lot. Btw, good question. Here's another).

No. 311879

Its called taking the piss, sweetheart. Now, read the other thing I said and take this to the DID thread, this is the munchies thread and I'm tired of you derailing shit.

No. 312081

Do you know how idiotic you sound when you say all DID people look alike?

No. 312097

Just report the spergs, anons. Don't feed the derailers.

No. 312991

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Back to an actual munchie to get back on track.

Dunno about you guys, but that's one weird looking "prosthetic leg" Eli has…
Almost looks like an everyday support bandage?

No. 313031

Looks like he's just pulled his sock up really high.

No. 313176

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Thank the gods he's giving us more milk!

No. 313190

Let me guess…new tumor? Fuck you, lying piece of SHIT!

No. 313276

The bandage is below where he'd need it if he actually had a prosthetic…

>>313176 wasn't he reported to the police for this shit?!

No. 313460

i was in treatment with her and she was ridiculous. she made everything so difficult for the staff, just because they didn't always have time to bend over backwards for her and her super special medical issues (no mention at all of DID though?) she refused to eat most of the time and acted like her tube was a badge of honor. some people like that were fun to have around just because they provided comical relief, but she was just annoying. she left pretty quickly though because it was not the right place for her at all. i cant remember if she signed out ama or not, but she complained about the hospital the whole time.

No. 313488

So, has no one offered this information to the police? I know we're not supposed to cowtip or whatever but they're supposedly investigating him currently for fraud, and he's still just openly defrauding people of their time and sympathy?

No. 313493

Don't know the case number to refer to when phoning up, unfortunately

No. 313498

Do you actually 100% need that? Don't only people who're directly involved end up with case numbers? Idk man, it's really fishy to me and I reckon they've been able to get away with it because the police in the UK are tech idiots and have no idea this information is even out there.

No. 313542

A single screenshot of a location tag is not sufficient proof of fraud. He could have just been on the property and "checked in" with the implication he's getting treatment. Could be on their lawn for all we know.

No. 313554

I'm not talking about that specific screenshot, just the fact that he has a continuing online presence repeating the same lies he's supposedly under investigation for, under a fake name. I don't think the police know this profile exists or that it's him.

No. 313568

I was actually in treatment with her too and can confirm this. I would also add that she was constantly showing off her "GP belly" and complaining and comparing her treatment to everyone else's, and she would cling tightly to anyone with similar diagnoses or issues and talk nonstop like she was an authority on all things ED/chronicsickgirl.

No. 313580

Remember that claims of fraud have a significantly higher burden of proof than the typical case of outing fakers. There has to be evidence that he is receiving treatment for a medical condition that has been fabricated. And there has to be proof that he is receiving funding for said treatment under false pretenses. Pointing them to a new account without clear indication of what is fraud wastes their time because they have to sift through the junk, and they may start taking the case less seriously if evidence provided is vague. We do this in our spare time. They still have other cases to juggle as well. Don't tip on a hunch.

No. 313608

>There has to be evidence that he is receiving treatment for a medical condition that has been fabricated.
I'm pretty sure whether he's committing fraud does not hinge on whether he's managed to trick medical professionals as well as those he's taken money from. The fact he's falsely claiming to have cancer is enough. Social media in the UK comes under the same kind of stipulations that any written publication does, hence people being arrested over tweets. Soliciting people's time and money under false pretences or by deception is totally illegal.

>And there has to be proof that he is receiving funding for said treatment under false pretenses.

He's from Scotland. We have free healthcare in the UK. No one has even claimed this is the type of fraud he committed. He defrauded a charity for kids similar to Make a Wish, it's nothing to do with his "treatment"

No. 313620

I mean, no one can stop you from reporting it, just do it and don't tell us about it.

No. 313682

Fair enough. Our standards for fraud are probably different here because of insurance companies and self-pay. It'd still probably be a good idea to give them more substantial evidence than a general link to the account, at least to start with, to be respectful of their time and caseload. But as another anon said, if someone feels they must, keep the other farmers out of it.

No. 313823

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Sometimes I wonder if all munchies spawn from the same hellsite.

No. 313830

Nah, I'm pretty sure they all meet on sites like Tumblr, Instagram and Facebook. Maybe places like Psych Central or other forums.

No. 313943

File: 1494926704160.png (226.66 KB, 882x346, taxpayers cash is my cash.png)

I get my news of the latest fashionable #spoonie illness with this one:

I've known of her for years and she's always jumped on the bandwagon of whatever was THE illness to have at the time.

She's now become a full fledged spoonie with EDS, POS, chronic fatigue, hypermania, dysautomania, "cardiac problems" and a bunch of other mostly self diagnosed crap.

Her family are loaded yet she claims poverty. Had a gofuckme for a normal wheelchair then decided an electric one would give her extra spoonie points so did a gofuckme for that. She's made loads of them.

Spends all her benefits on make up and plastic crap. Recently went on holiday to the States and around Europe.

It's Mental Health Awareness week, so she's started dragging up old illnesses to appear relevant.

She has a blog where someone pulled her up on how she wastes her money and expects others to pay for her spoonie paraphernalia. Still, it's her money to waste: "What I spend my money on is my business and no one else’s. People who aren’t on benefits don’t have to put up with this money policing crap and neither should we".

Oh, and she does ballet.

No. 313976

>under a fake name

I was thinking about that bit, the fact he has the same name on his provisional drivers license makes me think it's not a fake name, rather he has legally changed it? Although he has fully changed it, and the provisional could be a fake.

I had a thought that his name was maybe changed because of something along the lines of witness protection, but then his whole family would've had their names changed, he'd have had to have moved, he wouldn't be allowed contact with his old friends, etc…

Still seems fishy

No. 314255

File: 1494971348100.jpg (48.04 KB, 360x640, 18516288_660151887523117_13190…)

Where to even begin with this…

No. 314258


wat. i know (or hope i know) that he's kidding but that's fucking nasty.

this tacky little shit. jesus fuckall, he's disgusting.

No. 314265

I wonder if all these people were like, massive fans of House or something.

There's two mental illnesses which make it tough for me to feel sympathy for the people suffering from it; munchies and hoarders. All unpleasant fucking people.

Then there's narcs, but they're a cluster. Of shit.

No. 314326

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Imagine the yeast.

In other news, yet another cow (SocialMasochist / Pixy_Led) expects their birthday to be special like fucking child.

No. 314352

I have no idea how much space is in those things, but I hope to God he put a glass or bottle in it

No. 314378

I would gladly dig the hole myself for this piece of work. I don't understand how changing your name means you can act exactly as before. I hope the police know he's doing this again.

No. 314394

This bitch doesn't have 'hypermania.' That's a symptom of bipolar disorder not a disorder on its own. Pulled that out of her ass with all her other ~spoonie problems~

Sage for mini rant/not contributing fresh milk.

No. 314497

The way his left trouser leg looks, it appears he's made it look like he's an above-knee amputee, but the "prosthetic" is below knee. Also if you look at the thickness of the left leg there's a kind of lump on the inner thigh which makes me think he's kneeling inside the trouser leg. Suspicious. Also why is it white? Most prosthetics are flesh coloured. It looks like a large glass wrapped in a support bandage.

No. 314506

>The way his left trouser leg looks
uhm. isnt the prosthetic for the right leg?
at least it looks like a shoe for a right foot, or am I seeing that wrong?

No. 314522

I think they mean our left, not his left? Which would be his right. It does look like a right shoe.

They do have a point about it looking like a cup of sorts being wrapped in a support bandage though. And cups that would look like that certainly do exist

No. 314547

Yeah I meant our left, not his. There's just no reason the whole prosthetic would be bandaged. You can see fabric wrinkles about midway up it.

No. 314588

It also looks too short, if you compare it to where the support bandage is on his leg in the other picture.
And the only reason I can think that he'd have his leg amputated is to do with the "cancer in his knee", which means it would definitely be too short.

Not to mention this is only a recent thing? All his photos from a few weeks back on instagram, where you can see his legs, he's mainly wearing tight fitted jeans and it's obvious that he doesn't have a prosthetic limb?

No. 314613

Isn't it him (forgive me, I get these munchies mixed up) that shows off really bad wounds and such? If he really was an amputee wouldn't he be the kind to show it off for maximum pity points? Kind of feel like an arsehole questioning something as horrible as this, but if I've learnt anything from these munchies, it's that they are sick enough to actually do such disgusting things that cause me to question something I normally wouldn't. Ugh

No. 314646

It might be, he was the one who took a girls scar and photoshopped it onto himself for pity points, after all. And did the "totally not bad make up, totally a legit wound" photo of his leg (the now "amputated" leg too, iirc)

No. 314648

Gotta love how his supposed prosthetic leg is the same shape and size as a fucking pint glass

No. 314656

File: 1495032678874.jpg (43.68 KB, 600x600, 162u-glass-beer-boot-mug-b6_1.…)

Holy fuck they sell boot steins at Spencer's too.

No. 314657

Pint glasses like that are pretty easy to come by too.

On another note, I'm unsure whether he's actually legally changed his name from Elliott to Hunter or not, since the Electoral Roll still lists him as Elliott (and another listing for the same address with his deadname too…)

No. 314659

I highly doubt he's actually changed his name. I've been waiting for some Irelandfags to show up and tell us how and why his provisional is fake, but I guess there aren't any lurking this thread. Sadface.

No. 314660

Well it isn't hard to get fake provisional for about £20 online if you know where to look? Why Irelandfags tho?

No. 314726

Considering he's Scottish and not Irish, you're going to be waiting a long time

No. 314738

File: 1495042863825.jpg (89.65 KB, 720x549, 18527932_179989799191613_26489…)

If you actually look at the full image, it looks as if he's just kneeling on his leg. What the fuck are his trousers doing?

No. 314762

Lieutenant Dan?

No. 314775

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It's been pretty much proven he's lying about having a prosthetic, look how shit that fake scar is! Fucking dreadful

No. 314895


Especially since he just posted about choosing a silicone exterior for cosmetic appearances - why would you cover it in white if you wanted it to look more realistic. And while I am sure it exists, I haven't seen too many prosthetics without a visible ankle joint.

Additionally, it looks really short for a below the knee prosthetic. There doesn't appear to be enough room for a functional socket and the ankle/foot hardware. I believe an amputation at that height would actually be fairly difficult to deal with if only one leg was involved because it hard to accommodate for the space needed for the foot/ankle/socket hardware and not have the prosthetic longer than the other real leg.

I call baloney on this one.

No. 314906

That looks so fake it hurts.
The blood would have turned dark, it wouldn't all be the same color down the entire thing. You can clearly see it was a legit line painted up the leg and then they used a sponge or paper towel to dab the "blood". They used like liquid latex to build up the skin to look raised.

No. 314927

This is brilliant. Just realised the person who screenshotted the pic of Hunter's scar is Hypermobileguy, check out the icon.

No. 314928

Especially since it goes through the knees and the wound tissue density remains consistent and disregards muscle, bone and other aspects that would effect how the wound looks

No. 314931

ooooooh shit

No. 314962

He screenshotted it for people who asked, and glad he did because otherwise we wouldn't have the image since he deleted that Instagram.

No. 314998


They know/knew each other in real life, i enjoyed watching their bitchy fight on instagram at one point, I never screenshotted it though unfortunately

No. 315060

Tell that to his friends who insisted they'd seen it and that it totally wasn't fake.

No. 315499


Found Eli's new twitter. Claims his last chemo treatment was on the 27th April, which contradicts his post on Tumblr saying he'd been in remission for 4 years.
Also he wouldn't have been allowed certain surgery if he was still having chemo treatments. Not to mention his doctors would have strictly advised against him getting tattoos.

It just never adds up with this boy.
Plus, if his post about being in remission on tumblr was true, I'd have expected him to make a huge song and dance about his cancer being back if it did come back.

No. 315540

UK fag, the provisional looks legitimate, and it's actually the new design which looks a bit different to the older ones. I'd have called it fake if I hadn't recently ordered a new provisional to take my driving test, but it looks exactly like mine; it could be an expensive and clever fake though because in a picture you can't see if there's a holograph or not.

What I think is more likely and explains his name on the electoral register is that he has legally changed his name - it's pretty easy and relatively inexpensive to do - but this scummy NEET hasn't bothered to re-register to vote since changing his name, meaning that he's not intending to vote on June 8th as you can't vote if you've changed your name and not re-registered.

No. 315629

I hate him even more. What will he do when there's no more NHS and he can't milk it for sympathy? (rhetorical question, he'll inevitably set up a gofuckme account)

No. 315643

how the fuck do all these kids have the energy to do all this shit and still claim they have chronic fatigue? they never seem to talk about the times you need to do things like go to the bathroom and literally have to crawl there due to how tired you are.

>sage because REEEEEE

No. 315690

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This just pissed me off.
She has no need for more shit, specially free shit and she's got plenty of bags as is.
She has no reason to try to win this bag for tube feeds because she doesn't need a frigging tube. Yet she's okay going for a chance to win this when there are many who actually need this type of bag for their real tubes and ugh it just really isn't right.

No. 315696

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These were posted in the same time area. So much pain, so sick, dying to a sudden cure for her to go get dressed and go for this walk..

No. 315704

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When does she ever clean her apartment anyway?
No other mention of boyfriend since this, and I don't get why she is buying his shit (if he is real) because he works some..ugh. frustrating! I believe this was posted not long before her sudden "I'm so sick" posts I guess she figured if she does well she won't get attention.

No. 315707

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No. Just no.

No. 316765

File: 1495227406057.jpg (63.18 KB, 360x640, 18579153_661407630730876_13463…)

So Eli posted this and whilst the calf does look weird, I'm not convinced it is weird enough to be a prosthetic leg? Looks more like a few support bandages on there. Or a good photoshop.

Not an expert on it, but I'd assume if he actually had a prosthetic leg, there would be some form of seam between it and the stump showing through his jeans.

I'm probably not going to be convinced until I see the lower leg with him wearing shorts, though.

Anyone else got any ideas on it though?

No. 316822

Looks like a biologically female's shapely calf with a sock under her jeans and pressing it against the seat to make it look bigger (more like a prosthetic leg).

I used to work with a bloke who had a prosthetic leg and he only ever wore baggy pants. He had loads of problems where the leg used to rub on his stump (ulcers, infected blisters) and anything tight around where the leg was would've be painful. Idk if the false leg was ill fitting and that's why he had all those problems, but if this Eli's was a false leg then wouldn't s/he want to complain about blisters etc. being a munchie and all that?

No. 316824


It still looks too low on his leg for me to believe it. I think that every below the knee prosthetic I have seen has come up to the knee, regardless of how much residual lower limb there is. I am not an expert, but I assume that it has something to do with ensuring that the socket fits properly. His only seems to come up to mid-calf, which I would assume would be a very hard fit. In the event that was somehow possible, I would guess an outer sleeve would be necessary to hold it in place, and that would likely go above the knee and I see no lines above his knee. His prosthetic pictures always seem to indicate that it has a straight/flat top, which isn't what I have seen for any prosthetic.

It looks more like he either has squeeze a boot or a bandage under his pants.

Also, for someone who has a history of having no problem showing off his "scars" (or at least the ones he stole from someone and photoshopped on himself or the ones he painted on himself), I find it odd that he would be trying to bring attention to his "amputation" but not showing an uncovered picture of it. Given his history with pictures and photoshop, if it was real he would have posted a picture of it.

No. 316827


And yes to this too - in addition to skin irritation problems, people who wear prosthetics also have difficulty with the prosthetic causing extra wear and tear on clothes, particularly tight fitting clothes. Some people still choose to do so but the preference tends to be for looser fitting clothes, particularly for men.

No. 316828

>every below the knee prosthetic I have seen has come up to the knee, regardless of how much residual lower limb there is

This. I wrote the comment above yours. That guy I know had his leg shattered when a lift dropped (I know right) and his leg was amputated up to the knee so the prosthetic leg fitted prorperly.

No. 316836

okay, this might be a dumb question, but is Eli actually FtM?

No. 316842

i was just about to post this … is Eli a girl? i never heard this before

No. 316845

He's a she.

No. 316849

shit how do we know this?

No. 316850

File: 1495233862175.jpg (48.59 KB, 610x465, pronouns.JPG)

No. 316858

thank you for this i had no idea.
makes perfect sense though. what a fucking car crash.

No. 316865

sage but any thoughts on why munchies and spoonies are nearly always female? including eli. theories pls.

No. 316868

Why are you namefagging?

No. 316933

Eli is FtM, yes. Doesn't mean you should stop using the correct pronouns. I don't know whether he's actually taking T or not though.
Pretty sure the fact he has a deadname was mentioned in >>314657, too.

HypermobileGuy is also FtM iirc.

Newfag, please stop namefagging.

No. 316981

Just because the spoonies and munchies discussed here are often female does not mean they are almost always female. The ones we discuss here are just a tiny sample, and don't really show a true trend as the numbers are far too small.

No. 317073

So we know he still apparently had a leg at Christmas given the photos. Now for an interesting few things from the NHS

>>It can take several months before you're fitted with a prosthetic limb (if you're a suitable for one), so you may be given a wheelchair to help you get around if you've had a lower limb amputation.

>>Prosthetic limbs aren't suitable for everyone who's had an amputation because an extensive course of physiotherapy and rehabilitation is required (see below).

Adjusting to life with a prosthetic limb takes a considerable amount of energy because you have to compensate for the loss of muscle and bone in the amputated limb.
This is why frail people or those with a serious health condition, such as heart disease, may not be suitable for a prosthetic limb.

>>If it's thought that you would find it difficult to withstand the strain of using a prosthetic limb, a purely cosmetic limb may be recommended. This is a limb that looks like a real limb, but can't be used.

Tl;dr there's a waiting list for prosthetics so no chance in 5 months you've gotten one, done rehab and gotten back to work. But also due to your cancer and Fuck knows what else you claim to have, you wouldn't be given a functional one, would be wheelchair bound and thus not able to be a barman at a nightclub with no disabled access because it's in a loft and the first bar is at the top of about 30 steep stairs (Catfy regular buddy)

No. 317121

yeahhh I work in an environment where I see a LOT of amputees, and none of them would ever wear skinny jeans cos it fucking rubs, especially if the prosthetic is new. you're given a list of things that are recommended and skinny jeans are not advised.
also as >>317073 pointed out, they wouldn't have a prosthetic by now anyway, an above the knee amputation would need at least 6 months to settle down in my experience, and then you've got to be fitted for your prosthetic, before which you'd be on crutches. amputation stays are normally 2- 3 weeks in hospital - did they post during that time? they're definitely just fucking lying lmao trying to fake an AMPUTATION is wild, one of my colleague's granddaughters died from what eli's claiming to have and it fucking sucked watching her lose her leg and still not make it.

No. 317173

Some of the photos show him with a real leg as early as 12 weeks ago, which further proves your point because if 5 months is too short, 3 months is even shorter.

Everything he posts always contradicts previous things he has posted. Drivers license? If you had Lennox Gastaut, that'd be a no. Terminal cancer that had also somehow been in remission for 4 years. Prosthetic leg but no real photos to prove it and his previous claims of illness would have made getting one impossible.

He needs to do better research on things, and get his story straight. Possibly also admit to the lying but that'll never happen.

No. 317247

Anon from >>317073 here. I learned more about prosthetics in 30 seconds via the nhs website than any research he's done!

No. 317703

He claims to have had his amputation because of his osteosarcoma, right? Which was in his knee - If the cancer was in his knee, why would they amputate mid-calf?

No. 317717

Don't actually know why he "had his leg amputated", he's never specifically mentioned it being due to the osteosarcoma he also claimed to have. However speculating that is what he'd claim it'd be from since it's the only leg related thing he's ever claimed to have.

But yeah, he claimed the osteosarcoma was in his knee, so one would assume they would have amputated mid thigh if anywhere, not mid calf.

No. 317852


You can actually be fitted for a prosthetic as soon as the wound is healed and your surgeon gives the okay. I have know individuals who begin the initial fitting within six weeks. However given all of his other "illnesses", it is unlikely that he would be healthy enough for such a fast recovery. I have also heard that the NHS does have a shortage of people who can fit/make the prosthetics so there is a longer waiting list (I haven't heard of this being a problem in the US). Additionally, the first year of having a prosthetic can be tough as you have to learn to use it and getting the proper fit can be difficult initially due to the residual stump changing.

That being said, with no reasonable explanation for the amputation other than the cancer, it would be unlikely that he would have the kind of amputation he claims to have. His "amputation" looks really low and if they are going to have to resort to amputation to ensure the cancer is gone they aren't going leave so much residual limb, particularly when it wouldn't be super advantageous for that type of amputation.

Now if he wanted to get real special snowflake points and fake amputation, he should have gone with a rotationplasty!

No. 318018

Wonderful news, Eli has been charged with fraud for lying about his cancer to a charity!


Can't wait for his denial of it though.

No. 318019

About fucking time.

No. 318038

File: 1495370337764.jpg (247.97 KB, 551x591, sofreaking.jpg)

So freaking deformed fingers, huh?

Her new obsession? Moles. Now she wants to get them checked out. Besides that? Her breasts. She wants a mammography, because they hurt so much. And she is making a big deal out of her oh-so-freaking-serious endo. Her period lasted 16 days, which is normal after starting hormonal therapy. She is 26 and living in austria and doesn't know how hormonal treament works? So much for advocate or professional patient.
I'm still wondering what happened to her brain problems? And especially her restless leg syndrom. And her heart problems :)

(it's rheuma_esgibtkeinzujung :D A real drama queen)

No. 318108

Everyone's fingers are slightly crooked, and the problem with her toe is a bunionette.

No. 318130

File: 1495387254939.jpg (110.67 KB, 581x767, elileg.jpg)

Rare picture of Eli's prosthetic leg without a sock on.

No. 318227

Good! Hope his new name gets leaked too, she shouldn't be allowed to hide from this

No. 318559


Hate this guy as much as the next anon, but he's a he, a HE.

No. 318627

Still wondering if her rheumatologists feds her delusions.
It's kinda sad that munchies are allowed to interact with other people on social media, because in her case a long break from instagram and facebook would help a lot. She is so obsessed with everything health related and even when she is just posting stuff in groups(not related to any illnesses) her introduction includes all of her illnesses.

No. 318691

About fucking time he gets charged. It makes me so furious to see people lie about this shit. Why would you want to be sick? Sage for off-topic rant, but I recently was diagnosed with an anterior-mediastinal tumor, and let me tell you, it's fucking terrifying. Lying about cancer, let alone anything else, is fucked up. These munchies make my blood boil.

No. 318828

File: 1495461496359.png (603.19 KB, 499x566, 1324234321685.png)

Seems like he's trying to act as if nothing is wrong on both Facebook and instagram, by using photos that were already posted on the opposing account:

No. 318829

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Honestly I just want to know when the trial is to go along and attend, to see what bullshit excuses he tries to come up with, and to see first hand what his punishment will be.


No. 318884


They don't "respect pronouns" in a womens jail AND shafting a charity is always treated harshly is all I know.

No. 318919

Assuming he'd be sent to a women's jail. Also seems like you replied to the wrong anon but ok

No. 319162

Finger slip I know he's a he

No. 319164

I'm actually not sure, would be interesting to find out where they would send him. I imagine it would be a women's jail

No. 319225

In the US it's dependent on your gentails even if you've had your gender changed on your ID and birth certificate. I've never heard of an FTM being put in men's prison though, only MTF because that "gender reassignment surgery" is more common and easier to go about than building a dick/getting rid of a vagina..

No. 319246

The fraudster is biologically female and in the UK would get sent to a female prison if you haven't got a gender recognition certificate.

Maybe this one's got one if that provisional license is real.

No. 319249

No. 319260

Doubtful, names on provisionals are easy to change by a paper deed poll alone. They're pretty lax with the name on it, actually.

No. 319359

lets be real though he probably wont be going to jail
most likely he'll get community service and a fine of some sort… maybe a suspended sentence at best

No. 319367

Considering how serious what he's done is, maybe not. Defrauding a charity is serious, and the distress he caused many people, including the family of the girl whose scar/injury he photoshopped onto himself.

He's certainly not remorseful about his actions, considering he kept lying about various illnesses even after the first report about him being investigated was made. Probably more sorry he got caught than anything else. A fine would just allow him to go back to doing it all over again under his "new name".
I'd love to see him get the maximum sentence, honestly. And his mum, for essentially being an accomplice in it.

No. 319552


Defrauding a charity is serious. I don't know all the details of the charges but it seems like he is mainly being charged with getting a $1000 guitar from the charity after claiming to have cancer. He may have taken other things, but ultimately in the grand scheme of criminals $1000 isn't a lot. He definitely hurt the family of the girl who's scar he took, but I don't think he targeted the family so I am not sure there would be much of a case their either.
Faking diseases online is a scummy thing to do, but I don't think its actually a crime (unless you do it to get people to send you stuff, which is why what he did with the charity is illegal).

If he ever admits to faking cancer, he will probably blame it on a mental illness (hasn't he already?).

The fact that being transgender would likely make putting him in jail more complicated and the low value of the things he stole, I would doubt he would get prison time.

No. 319677


My thoughts too they would probably have him at too much risk to mental health to send him to jail. He's alright tried to take his life in a half hearted attempted imo.

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