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Thread to talk about people who are radical feminists, but are batshit insane OR claim to be radical feminists, but are just using it to gain money and/or notoriety.
Warning: This is not a thread for ranting about TIMs, TIFs or COVID. Please go to the respective containment threads for that.
Anna Slatz>Grifter with a plastic surgery addiction.>Fired from her job as Editor-in-Chief for writing two puff pieces for the leader of a Neo-nazi party in Canada.>Currently making a transition as a financial guru and stocks investor.https://twitter.com/Slatzismhttps://www.reddit.com/user/AnnaSlatz/>>>/snow/1244909
Vanessa Vokey>Anti-mask psycho who compared face masks to hijabs.>Assaulted a female voting booth worker for asking her to wear a mask.>YouTube recently deleted her channel.https://www.instagram.com/vanessavokeyradfem
Meghan Murphy>Founded the website Feminist Current and was a radfem.>Moved to Mexico to escape the anti-feminist dystopia of Canada.>Ditched her beliefs and doesn't feel comfortable calling herself a radfem anymore.>Writes articles about feeling sorry for men nowadays.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq-04S1vzWPy3G8omi0wVvAhttps://www.instagram.com/meghanemilymurphy
Leah Tverly>Unhinged druggie who makes crazy rants online while playing a synth.>Thinks that hygiene is a tool of the patriarchy.>Made a video of herself freebleeding in response to Contrapoints.>Peed on the toilet seat and the floor of a public restroom because of a troon.https://twitter.com/chained2phonehttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCNdr61tRUO2UVciM5gbxfQ/videos
Elle Androphobia>Anti-vaxxer, who believes that COVID is a fake pandemic.>Believes that vaccines makes you troon out.https://www.youtube.com/ellaandrophobiahttps://twitter.com/radfemmommaYT
Amy Dyess>Former radfem who claims that was brainwashed by Julie Bindel to join the TERF cult.>Currently in transition to become a man and working on an anti-TERF film.>Believes herself to be the alpha in the fight against TERFs.https://twitter.com/TheBeauDyess
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Blackpill radfem twitter has some of of the weirdest lesbians and bisexuals you'll see
Obviously not all on are like this but like so many are so weird, There was lesbianmolester who was a bisexual woman, who liked her father and frequently posted some father daughter anime or manga thing and made very creepy and questionable comments on it and also called the father cute. I have seen others who have rape fetish(like the one doing the raping) and then they say its a joke
There's also nina who gets off to abuse victims (women) crying while telling their sexual abuse story (according to that leaked screenshot) and then she admitted herself on twitter that she likes all kinds of molestation stories
dyk3namite alleged male hating lesbian who was in an online relationship with a 16/17 boy
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>like Dystopian Deep Dives
>always comment on her videos but not streams
>always leave long reviews and multiple posts to help the algorithm
>shill her videos
>basically look up to her because older radfem
>ask her to explain a joke about drugs
>she outright says “oh maybe someday you’ll have experiences that aren’t online”
>flip through some of our prior conversations
>it becomes abundantly clear that she thought I was a loser and was treating me with contempt
>she told me at one point to write a book
>at the time I thought maybe she was insulting me
>chose to believe that maybe it was a compliment
>maybe I should start my own blog or something and be a mask off TERF
>she completely dunked on me for no reason after I was her fan
>can’t enjoy her show anymore because she hurt my feelings
>said I didn’t think I wanted to keep engaging with her content if she’s going to be so mean to me
>she basically laughs at me and says I was the loser kid who didn’t realize no one else wanted them there
It’s amazing how a bunch of mentally ill women with fringe political beliefs denigrate other mentally ill women with fringe political beliefs. Why is being some cool gen Xer more important than fostering more female voices to rise up? I hate this. I can handle meanness from TIMs because they’re monsters. Other women (especially other radfems) just makes me feel like I’ll never fit in anywhere.(not your personal blog)
first of all, literally who? second of all>she completely dunked on me for no reason after I was her fan
kek i suspect theres more to this story, I can smell the milk from here
She has a podcast. It’s actually pretty good and she has some great stuff that’s against sex work.
And no, not really. I didn’t talk to her in DMs or anything. I just left what I felt were decent longpost replies on a channel I liked and getting shut down for no reason hurt my feelings. Simple as. I think the milkiest thing I did was fedpost about wanting to kill AGPs. Normal stuff.>>1830279
Never forget that Hontra sent her a bunch of pornography as a “joke”. Remember, this dude got “cancelled” for saying Macho Ma’am was mean. Or having Cuck Angel on his show. But asking Milo Stewart about her T growth clit? Sexually harassing feminist content creators? Yeah, that’s fine.
But yeah, seconding the based comment. Freebleeding is the way of the sage.
I thought it was rude and hurtful, and indicative of larger issues within the radfem sphere, but I wouldn’t say it was crazy on her part. It reminded me of how when Lisa Michelle went full cowmode people dunked on her for writing her diary in pink ink as opposed to anything substantive. Michelle herself even tried to be cooler than Ella by pointing out the inherent silliness and posturing inherent in a boymom calling herself an “androphobe”. There’s this quality to radfem cows (and non-cow radfems who sperg out) to create this inverse mean girl hierarchy. One becomes radfemmery than thou, so to speak.
And yeah I am new to posting here. I usually lurk but since the Farms have been down I’ve been sharing my autistic speculations here. Sorry for not posting pics, but I wasn’t trying to dump on this person.
This is going to sound mean, but you have to understand that 9 times out of 10, the type of person who wants to seek mass attention for their opinions online is some kind of weirdo or self-absorbed freak. There's a certain brand of person who sees the internet not as a space to connect with others, or even just make money, but as a version of Hollywood they aren't too mentally ill and/or incompetent to make it in. That includes being able to look down on others, especially their "crazy fans". Said fans don't actually have to be crazy, just invested, so they, as the quasi-celebrity, can feel big, important, and pretend they're absolutely hounded
Sometimes, it's even less deep than that. We know some people go on gossip sites to feel like they're Regina George in high school. Well, the same often applies to "content creators" like TikTokers, podcasters, etc etc. Naturally, they'll form a special "clique" and get a high off kicking others down to feel uplifted, especially when they're already in niche spaces.
You did nothing wrong, except assume you were interacting with a stable, genuine person. Most internet personalities are not that. It's probably not a good idea to keep rewarding someone who was a dick to you with views/engagement, but in a general sense, whenever possible, take in the content without bothering with the person. Your attention alone is worth much more than they want you to know.
Oh yeah. The hunter gatherer thing. I remember that. And that’s probably what pissed her off. I regularly fedpost about wanting to kill troons, and she treated that with sarcasm; she made made fun of me for saying “moid”, etc. However I assumed she was a radfem because she talked about why prostitution sucks.>>1831367
Interesting. I can definitely see that in some AGPs like Philosophy Tube (who lie about having stalkers) but I never considered it a thing in feminism. It seems very counter-intuitive to post stuff about feminism and then get annoyed when some woman excitedly longposts in reply. Then again, if what the person is longposting seems irrelevant to your point, it could seem annoying and arrogant to them.
And what you’re saying about Z list Internet celebrities rings true to me. I think about how the Brooklyn socialist podcasts like Chapo and Red Scare collectively shit on their fans.
As for the comments that hurt my feefees… I think everyone would be better off taking jokes, so I tried to make self-deprecating jokes about being terminally online back at her when she said things like “wow you should write a book you have so much to say”. Eventually it dawned on me that she really didn’t like me and this wasn’t just bantz. I felt really embarrassed. It makes me feel way more shy about approaching other GC / radfem women.
Anyway, thank you. This is a very intelligent comment and I appreciate effortposting.
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>>1830655>dyk3namite had a relationship with a boy
why are you lying? the callout was done by the victim
herself, who was obviously a girl and is still on twitterhttps://twitter.com/thornsfem/status/1588298338029301760?t=BZpW8BFPP0wrYJ2Rh1HX6w&s=19https://docs.google.com/document/d/18lExRSMc6AvrPraOlUMsgpI51m1z-RcxfkwR4xRDZfM/edit?usp=drivesdk
this is the original document she posted compiling their chats>lesbianmolester was bisexual and liked her father
actually I'm not and I've also never mentioned my father in any context whatsoever, sorry if you're unfamiliar with the concept of liking an animated character
you would find enough stuff to talk about if you look into the rest of radtwt since they are all borderline libfems, you wouldn't have to resort to lying(are you lost?)
I know youre just trying to make me mad, but i think everyone else knows being mutuals with someone on twitter doesnt mean you jerk off on voicechat together to eachothers posts
you've clearly never even seen one of my public profiles if you think i have no interest in or never posted about lesbian sex lol, thats the only problem i have with discussions about me nobody even knows what theyre talking about. there's not even any concrete "milk", its all hearsay
Then maybe, again, you should post about them and how horrible they are and not about me when i haven't said such a thing, but you cant, because you don't even have a single screenshot to share to discuss those terrible terrible posts>their essays on how it's actually okay and healthy to touch your little niece
sounds interesting, link?
I didn't falsify anything. This thread has multiple posters.
Anyway, there's a whole host of shit about you that doesn't bode well, and I don't get why you're open about it and even try to get into fights on it. You kind of do the "half-truth" thing, but like, people know and you don't really hide it. What's the point in that?
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"cancelled" for what? liking a celebrity and being cringe? only people with an audience and a public persona can get cancelled. im a private account with 100 followers and i hide nothing from them. i just want you to realize you are retarded for trying to discuss me when you have no milk and whenever you bring me up you HAVE to lie about me to even say anything. bring me up again when you find my self insert fanfiction on ao3
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>>1831480>Following a pedophilic account because you want to view gifs of little boys getting touched should get you dragged. Amazing how you dispute the bisexual accusations while actively seeking out actual real life pedophilia involving males
Wait what, how are such accounts allowed to stay up?
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Huge claims, do you have any actual proof? Are you saying there's a pedophile integrating in radtwt?
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She got her account deleted recently retard, and openly pedophilic accounts do get deleted all the time. I never said I was here to provide milk, or screenshots to make a callout (to who, her 100 followers on her locked account who are already aware of the way she is?), im not even the person who brought her up, either.
>which is incredibly obvious
says the person who is (or acts?) unaware of how prevalent actual irl pedophilia is celebrated by those specific blackpill circles. She literally posted about it in this thread, don’t be stupid with the “muh screenshots’ stuff. The person on picrel and sh1tai_cor3 interacted heavily and openly with the pedo gifs account in question and nobody gave a fuck. Why would anyone even care to gather screenshots. Use your brain.
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No, but nice attempt at derailing. im talking about lescel following @Wy1_osis when the account was up (the suspended one in the screenshot), along with others. This is nothing new with the shartfem/homosharts, lescel, maskedsadism etc bp friend circle.
for the people talking about”vendetta posting” I’ll recap it out for you, because you seem a bit confused: a random anon posted misinformation about lescel wanting to fuck her dad (untrue), she shows up to correct it, several people comment on how she’s still fucked in the head. I’m not >>1831592
, I’m not even lescel acusation OP, and of course I’m not here with proper milk either because those comments have been nothing but others responses to lescel histrionicism having the need to come and defend herself over dad fucking accusations. but following this whole circle since the sharters discord server, since lescel was edating the Angelina girl, it’s hard to miss the pedophilic patterns of the whole circle.>>1831727
celebrate moidlet rape and abuse is putting lightly, picrel.
Radblr has its share of clownery (there are right wing/male/etc. orbiters who fit the bill of the average radtwt user), but it's due to Tumblr's userbase dwindling in the last few years and the lack of character limit allows long form discussion and replies.>>1832063
Yeah, same, I didn't notice that many "older" (in internet standards) users on radblr to my knowledge. I was on radblr when I was mid-late 20s and while some "legacy" bloggers who have been on there for 5+ years are in the early 30s range, a lot of "newly peaked" sideblog crowd are 16-24 range.
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Jah on twitter came out as bisexual kek
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It wouldn't matter if she wasn't acting like she's the queen of lesbians 2 months ago. She's a cow
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doublepost lesson of the day: radfems are no better than trannies & tranny lovers in their obsession with lesbianism, redefining it & bringing moids into it
You seem like you are trying to minimise and awful violent crime. I'm glad you think such a horrific thing is akin to a retard on twitter being offensive. They literally are not the same thing.>sick of this women are never as bad stuff
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>>1830541>phemoid got exposed by radfem twitter for defending her boyfriend finding 16 year old girls attractive.
here's the cap i posted this before but deleted because i said something really retarded and didn't want to instigate any infighting
ayrt >retard on twitter
are you the other anon? is this your shit reading comprehension again? i said both groups participate in the rape culture surrounding lesbians. this isn't just a chronically online twitter thing. it happens outside too. nice mask off moment though. >Hmmm…
Talking in general, it gets boring how radfems never want to admit how some women are just evil to other women for no reason & make the choice to. its always blamed on moids, it gets particularly irritating when this excuse always pops up when it comes to racism & homophobia.
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How can claim to hate men, and at the same time defend a film and pedo director that exhibits literal pedophilia and effectively serves as a snuff film, solely because you think art is aesthetically pleasing and "transgressive"
You need to post the actual milk or breakdown for such a claim. Going back there isn’t a lot of proof to your position and for such a bold claim there needs to be more other than words. This >>1833561
is the not the same as being a pedo and reaching to claim as such, just an edgy faggot/degenerate.
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Lesbians don’t exist?
Why are they so obsessed with lesbians anyway? i mean, leaving aside (idk if you can though) the fact that they're obsessed with hating men and wish they were lesbians so they would have what they percieve as the "better" sex to be atracted to, it's just stupid social media circles, so what even is the point in pretending to have a sexuality that has been oppressed for centuries and deemed inmoral? especially when they're clearly into men, wich has always been seen as the right thing? i wonder how do these cows even go on through their life if they're this self hating about their attraction and obsessive with a random group of women that they don't even belong to.
Do any of these cows post their personal shit on their twitter accounts? genuinely curious
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Isn't she right though? If you're going to date a moid you'll have to deal with that 90% of them find underage girls attractive. The only reason why there isn't under 20 yrs old girls in pic rel is because you couldn't go any lower.
Ah yes, shartfem aka nina, who "jokes" about touching little girls and has admitted to being aroused by female victims
crying about their trauma.
Jah is annoying, and it's funny that it took her this long to admit she's bisexual, but acting like nina was just innocently pointing shit out is not an accurate portrayal of the situation. nina had a raging hateboner for jah.
Wouldn't you rather have a decent conversation? And BTW I ain't hurting anyone but myself so my pipe is not going anywhere….
Do you hate yourself that much that you have to put others down and be a rank goof? Cmon now , rub one out and calm the fuck down
Please tell me you're not the abortion
nonna(sage your shit)
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I'm convinced that suckherbergg/mARRRc is a moid/troon whose basically just posting his fetishes, I have seen plenty of radfems talk about hating men and even male children but it never as "malevolent" like male hatred, but suckherbergg talks about boys way to much and airs out weird fantasies of them being raped, killed or faced to get pregnant.
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like this isn't misandry, this is just coomer moid humor.
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I am baffled as to how anyone could be convinced he was as a woman. I bet he snickers to himself whenever he posts crap like picrel, and radical feminists agree with him. >>1838630
He's also mentioned mpreg a couple of times in a way that specifically portrays it as degrading, which is the complete opposite of any sort of analysis from a feminist perspective
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I Hate to break it to y'all, but there actually is a subset of fujo radfems whose hatred of males essentially mixes with their fetishes. such as >>1831969
They justify the worst and most repulsive fetishes by saying, 'Oh, but men are worse, so you can't judge me.'"
so they will post aout m/m shota rape doujins, ao3 fics of underage actors being raped and worst of all use post about real CSA victims
and fantasize about them being raped and abused and there's a huge overlap between these fujo radfems and the pro-shippers and actual gay male pedophiles on twitter. Its just really messed up.
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>skinny girl coquette aesthetic + dworkin books
is this what they call comedic Irony? it reminds me of that guys who wore a Che Guevara shirt and a MAGA hat
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Someone on Twitter mentioned that she had little boy legs, and I can't stop thinking about it. I guess Its fair to assume that she wants to look like an emaciated little boy, given her taste in directors.
>>1845722>If you disagree with her you're a cock addicted male lover
I am a black lesbian and she is literally explicitly saying discrimination against skin tone is irrelevant and only the biological sex factors into oppression. Its regressive and dumb, yes women are a special social class but we do not face treatment. Not every report to the police is treated equally and it's shown by which people have more cold cases. Also her post reeks of victim
blaming but that's a common theme with radfem cows. Because fear of community backlash is not unique to black dv victims
or character flaw. It's a common reaction that gets taken advantage of by abusers
How is she victim
blaming? She's saying the black women in her family don't call the police because of the misogyny they'll receive if they do call the police. If anything she's blaming the men. You're a black lesbian saying women should have solidarity with the same misogynistic demographic raping and killing them holy shit the absolute state of women
They're saying black women shouldn't mule on behalf of black men. AKA stop this BLM shit, it's mainly women behind those protests and black men would never return the favor. Black women should speak out against racism that only affects us,not shit that is primarily the issue of black men.
If another black man dies because of police brutality, unless you're his wife or something don't go marching in the street for him, save your energy for a black woman who experienced that.
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What is going on with the hosts of Redfem? They claim to be socialist feminist lesbians, but they frequently retweet content from right-wing and or pro-Russian shill accounts. They seem to be occupying the same space as "communists" who ally themselves with any force that oppose liberal democracy.
Black men do that well enough on their own. No need for me a black woman
to do that. >>1847562
Most white radfems are racist pickmes at the end of the day. Someone should dona graph on the overlap in beliefs between radfems and tradfems for keks.
gee i wonder what is wrong with an imperialist country that marginalizes it's indigenous populations and forces them to give up their languages and cultures and then goes ahead and uses them as fodder in wars because they are not white, i wonder what is wrong with a country that allows domestic violence, i wonder what is wrong with a country that is so fucking misogynist that they think being a doctor is a useless cheap shit career because most doctors are women, i wonder what is wrong with a country that hates gay people and who has been antagonist little shit toward it's neighbors for last hundreds of years.
i hate you american commie retards so much it's unbelievable american people are not human you are so stupid so retarded so fucking idiotic. (this applies to the retarded south american commies too kek) it's so obvious that people see other people and countries ad some prop in a story called usa versus the world, even people from other countries are plagued by this disease, so it is easy for them to act as if actual literal wars where actual people die is some sort of marvel movie where you choose the side.
you idiots are so ready to accept whatever horrible treatment of people if it's just done by someone who you view as some sort of countering power towards america, it doesn't matter, indigenous people, women and gays can be thrown under the bus because you gotta get to have you anti-american or anti-west or whatever rebellion you have to stick it to your boring parents. though in the case of russian loving tradthots gays and women and indigenous people getting hurt is just part of the bonus. anyway it never occurs to these types of people that russian women who have suffered because of their country's misogyny, the indigenous peoples, gay people from russia are actual living breathing people you can talk with you can share a meal with you can hug them kiss them on the cheek party with them talk with them laugh with them, just sharing my personal experiences here if that isn't clear, like they are real people who have suffered real hurt.
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Sage for OT, I and most people are well aware that Russia a shit-hole nation that has interests dominion over its neighbors and frankly we don't care much, For the entire world we have had to deal with the biggest bully in history, so for us Russia is just a nation whose fighting that bully, we don't care if they beat up their "kid brother", what matters for us if they can help in overthrow the US empire.
>>1848327>frankly we don't care much
yeah i fucking know because you are a shit imperialist from a shit imperialist country so it is so easy for you to support another kind of imperialist country because it never fucking occurs to you that other kind of people from other nations are real actual people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i fucking know that you american shit pig!!!!!>>1848356>they are actually doing something
what?? what are they doing expect their own kind of imperialism?
kill americans and kill russians you all are shit imperialist pig who DESERVE TO BE SLAUGHTERED you will not regocnize the humanity of other peoples you will never see the soul and heart of humans from other nations you will always believe you are the main characters of the world and you all deserve death, death, death, death to usa, death to russia and citizens like you. you fucking animal, you little shit. ideological gardening, moralizing, we are talking about actual living people, i am a real person, my friends are real people, you little shit. imperialist sow, whore who takes the dick of empires, the cock sucker of colonization, that's who you are, a mindless whore, bitch that is fucked in the mind and cunt by imperialist thought and who carries the fat ugly babies of your fat ugly empires.
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>>1848086>these two have done more irl and actual leftist, feminist activism individually than everyone itt combined kek
promoting conservative dating and apps and retweeting mostly RW accounts, how is that feminism or leftism exactly.
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the former anti-nato freedom fighter seems to think there was nothing anti-imperialist in this war at all, almost like this weird USSR schizo idea you and other retards have russia is nothing but your idiotic fever dream.
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tbf, Jen is a very specific type of lesbian. They used to be called 'lesbros', which refers to lesbians who associate and hang out in male bro spaces (such as watching MMA and listening to that Navy Seal guy). So, it's not surprising that she retweets more right-wing associated content. Hannah's feminism is much more convincing
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well this is definitely a take
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distasteful and desperate
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what the hell is she on about?
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this bitch is so ugly she looks like a Mexican miss Kwan from cat in the hat lol
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Her old usernames (allegedly)
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The original tweet was retarded but god this made me irrationally angry. That moment when you lean so far into being GC that you end up hating gender non conformity
it's funny to see how the mainstream GC movement has drifted more and more rightwards over the time. the tagline used to be "we support men wearing dresses, just don't call yourself a woman", then it became "we don't like men wearing dresses, but we tolerate it as long as you don't call yourself a woman" and now it's "actually, it's not okay to wear dresses or do anything gender nonconforming, ever, no matter what you call yourself".
i'm not surprised that some oldschool leftist radfems like mackinnon have come out as being nominally pro tranny just so they don't have to hang with these losers.
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Up until her massive meltdown over female separatists, she was posting pretty normal radical feminist stuff mixed in with some decent critiques of the more extreme elements of tumblr's female separatist wing. Then she veered off the rails when people started pushing back against her criticisms (some were straight up aggressive ngl). She freaked and kept responding to people with things like "THE EVIL WOMEN WHO LIVE IN MY COMPUTER GASLIT ME TO SUICIDE"
I tried to get some screenshots, but picrel happened.
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picrel is what started everything. it went downhill from here.
>>1857532>All these women are too innocent and naive >Nobody there had sexual encounters with men other than rape
What does she think "innocent" means
Also>They were all super judgmental>They're not textbook BPD-chans so they're all loner anime nerds
Thanks for posting this screenshot, nonnie
, what a mess.
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What in the fuck?
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Radfem or tardthot
I agree. Tumblr radfems think piling on one of their own for wrongthink is activism, despite the fact they (rightfully) complain about catching shit from handmaidens.
I think the linguistic change from "radical feminist" to "radfem" signified how screenpoisoned this faction of the movement is. It's all bizarre rhetorical posturing over recognizing a woman in crisis.
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Terri's gone full Baby Jane, really underscoring how ill-equipped she is to be giving out dating advice.
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If you're referring to the guy she was linked to when she stopped being "polilez", I think they were only dating for a couple of months. Other than that guy, the only other person that I'm aware of who she's been romantically linked to was Bev Jo
Wait… The 70 yr old lesbian radfem? They dated?
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jfc these comments
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Why do so many nu-radfems hype up simone de beauvoir, a woman who was actively helping men rape underage girls. She is a rape apologist through and through, there is no way to seperate her work from that when she wrote about it. Rape apologists women are patriarchal women.
"Why do feminists read feminist lit"
uh, because we're not afraid to get cooties from the writing? some of us are too old for this shit.
& there isn't a single woman who is without flaws including those who called themselves radical feminists. some of them have written about ideas they regretted entertaining when they were younger.
>>1861136>for example, there's pedophilia and beastiality apologia in dworkin
dworkin bringing up hypopheticals and people misqouting her is not the same simone actively helping men in real life rape women and get away with it, or pressuring victims
to not say anything.
the issue is that everytime people try to defend simone the white wash what she did and contribute to rape culture
There's effectively zero difference between the two now, other than tardthots making more money off their "work".>>1858999
Every single misogynistic society says that mothers are uniquely important, since the belief flows seamlessly into the idea that women must put that role above all else to their own detriment for society to continue. No wonder why radfems get so cozy with violently misogynistic RWers when they effectively have the same beliefs. Women get the womby woo woo magical breastfeeding nonsense, men get to reap the benefits and maintain status as the actual movers, shakers, and innovators in society.
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Can we post Ovarit caps here because lol. If you like grinding or permadeath better go on T and get a mastectomy.
And the RWers radfems adore like Matt Walsh, of the "teenage pregnancy is not a problem" and "12 year olds raped by their fathers should be forced to carry" fame, believes that being a mother is the most important role a woman can fill just like they do. The role of women as bangmaid incubators absolutely is
necessary for patriarchy to function, which is why they relegate women to that role and viciously react when we try to break free from it. It's not our personalities, intelligence, capabilities or talents that makes us useful to them, but our reproductive function–which makes us less people and more resources. Radfems, unfortunately, fell into hook, like and sinker, hence the radfem -> tradthot pipeline see in these threads.
I suggest that any women so in love with her insides try doing something with her brain instead. Children can be a joy to women who want them, and I am not saying this to shame mothers, but they are people, not your "creation". When you wake up one day in your middle age and the only thing you have to show for your time alive is calling you a cunt for telling them to put away their own dishes for once, bitterness soon follows. Less womby woo, more critical thought and innovation.
I agree that women aren't all ~destined to be mothers~ and motherhood has historically been (and still can be) used as a trap, but
1. Acknowledging that mothers inhabit a unique position in society isn't woo-woo and isn't reducing them to their status as a mother. It's not conceding any ground to men, either.
2. Most self-proclaimed "radfems" hate Matt Walsh and his ilk. Retarded reactionary homophobes who claim the label definitely like him though lol, I'll give you that
3. >I suggest that any women so in love with her insides try doing something with her brain instead.
It's not one or the other, suggesting mothers are all oblivious self-obsessed broodmares is misogynistic.
Can we please be normal about child-having vs child-free people? These conversations always end up with everyone splitting into camps and seething.
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>Ben Shapiro is advocating second wave feminist demands
How the fuck do you come to that conclusion.
>>1868322>it's very likely that Shapiro and the Daily Wire crew really do believe that marriage is a partnership between equals
These are the guys who are proud of the fact that none of them know how to do laundry. All of them want to outlaw abortion and divorce, all of them hate childfree women, all of them believe in strict gender roles. None of them care about men being low achieving man babies because it makes them unattractive to women, they hate that muh birthrate is going down because men are such poor prospects and women aren't shackled with motherhood. How fucking stupid can someone be
Honestly I prefer trannies to the likes of her. At least they rightly despise conservatives and support divorce, birth control and abortion rights, even if they have to include troon surgeries as a package deal with them. Sorry I ever doubted Aiden, Rat and Bethani-Deluxxxe when they predicted that radfems were tradwives in training, they were right on the money kek
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Tumblr drama 1/6
kek that's what i was thinking>url is "talktomydoctorate">self-identifies as a short fat ugly woman>fanfic-esque over description of the scene
i cannot believe this is a real person
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radblr has a tendency to believe obvious fake stories. I often see them circulate ragebait r/aita posts and pouring their hearts into analysing the situation when it's obvious it was written by a karmafarmer.
This particular tumblr post screams racebait. OP is probably having a good chuckle over the infighting that is happening in the notes
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Lol at the curious cats of some of the women on the screenshot
radical feminists including mackinnon have always shilled for and upheld rw men instead of denouncing them for trying to associate their rancid moid breath with the prestige radical feminism. if they criticized meese's neoliberal policies and denounced him they probably wouldn't have been invited to his anti porn commission which was clearly very effective. linda boreman even commented on their cowish self serving nature and felt exploited. andrea dworkin fawned over jerry falwell. https://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/26/style/joining-hands-in-the-fight-against-pronorgraphy.html
radical feminism has a chronic problem of uncritical association with the rw.
i am female who prefers liberals with horrible foreign and economic policies like hilary clinton to rw w horrible foreign and economic policy who want to impose arbitrary trad tyranny on females. i prefer female freedom under otherwise similar circumstances.
i am more concerned with pro porn demands of liberals than their pushing trans other than trans kids. sorry you can't handle females having any criticism of the trads who hate us and the women who support them. at least if males are loudly demanding freedom to not be restricted to trad life i have that in common with them over what trad females want to force on me bc they're too ugly to get a man to pay for their life and they don't want to have to get a job.
, but stop trying to pretend you're a liberal while supporting homophobia and sexism. You just hate gay people and think short hair = man. You are the conservative.
i understand that genius. however the other options werent better in the case of clinton and trump put three supreme court justices in who are imposing trad tyranny over us for no reason, with no less war criminality. this threat was constantly discussed then, but people like you didnt' care at all. i do blame people like you who have zero concern for female issues even when its the one time it matters for this senseless attack on our rights.>>1869590
when did i say liberals believe transes are the sex they claim to be? at least if theyre being trans they don't want to be trad. trad women are
just too ugly to get a man to pay for their life and bitter about it. no male is ever going to treat any ugly female well so why are we pandering to right wingers over some fiction of marriage worthy men. theyre not even pandering to rw women over anti porn anymore, not that that ever helped the movement, just andrea dworkin by expanding her audience for her $2500 lectures. a real socialist would criticize the trad's policies but that would hurt their career. instead shes this useless bitch all over again. did andrea dworkins pandering to the right stop porn or marginalization of radical feminism the right wing neoliberal takeover she didnt criticize ushered in?
>''On the other hand,'' she added, ''when Jerry Falwell starts saying there's real harm in pornograpy, then that is valuable to me. When the so-called liberals who claim to care about torture in prison in right-wing countries bring themselves to understand that a woman being tortured for entertainment is also a violation of women's rights, I'll be very grateful.''
this person is even spreading propaganda that children shouldn't be separated from their mothers ever which is like veiled homeschooling (anti public school) talking points, when women let moids rape their children and schools can impose state mandated reporting and educate children on abuse and disclosure which can't be imposed on families.
i don't think any of the things you delusional people think. its clear i didn't say anything other than i think trad women are lazy ugly tyrants who don't want to get a job and i dont see any need for their arbitrary impositions on women that liberals are against.
radfems are retarded.
i said i PREFER trans to trads and its clear you people are always looking to ally with someone, in my humble opinion, the worse option. sorry you can't handle someone having a different opinion than "women's solidarity" is inherently a progressive political force, when it clearly historically hasn't been.
im more for which side will preserve what paltry freedoms women and children have. never remotely said transes aren't all those bad things you said. but radfems choose to ally with and pander to the people who want to impose rape sexism homophobia and female subjugation on the country via law over people who merely embody those qualities and can theoretically be ignored other than all the crazy shit they are demanding which is why they'll screw us over. sorry you cannot understand these concepts. nonetheless theyre my thoughts. you are the ones who got violent seething over me sharing my opinion without disparaging anyone in this thread.
we were literally discussing radfems sucking ben shapiros dick for no reason and how shit like this is disillusioning. they do shit like this constantly. if ur blind to it then that is mental retardation on radfems part again. hopefully it is irrelevant. radfems have historically allied with conservatives like edwin meese on anti pornography, do you believe that was a fruitful alliance? other than for padding andrea dworkins audience for her $2500 speeches with trad women? do radfems think their own history is anything worth considering? that is a rhetorical question.
i think people who don't want to live in the gender roles that trads want to impose on them
wouldn't want the arbitrary trad takeover that is happening and which i also don't want. though they feed into the rw agenda with their unsustainable medical child abuse demands so the rw takeover will happen, which was my actual comment, like a doomer statement but radfems are too retarded to not foam at the mouth over someone saying men in dresses is potentially less bad than men and women being trad and taking away abortion rights, legally guaranteed school for children, women's right to work, and whatever else.
, not to mention even when democrats are in power in the US women still lose their abortion rights and they do nothing about it while biden is dedicated to trans issues. Are you one of those sheltered Americans who thinks only the upper-class American viewpoint is the only one that matters and assumes every poster is from the US?
you are the ones who came aggressively at me for my sharing my thoughts without anger at anyone. if my comments on trad women offend you that doesn't make them untrue.
i have stated many times i am against transing kids. i also think transing kids is unsustainable and will end no matter what, and when it does the rw will take advantage of that inevitable outcome to throw women's rights under the bus. we don't need to ally with anyone for transing kids to come to the same end as the lobotomy. that is the first comment i made which got an abusive
stupid response from you all.>>1869621
sorry that having an opinion on actual reality as it is happening is too much for most people itt to comprehend. comments were being made on specific posts of people pandering to rw. i dont agree w it someone else doesn't agree w it. maybe not everyone itt does that but we are criticizing radical feminists especially ones in the media who do that. it's constant misconstruing here. radical feminists cannot allow any criticism or discussion of what actual radical feminist personalities are doing at all it seems.
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There was also the Bay M case where feminists of all political spectrums (libfems, radfems, and socialists) and Conservative Christians from all political spectrums were in universal support of Mary Beth Whitehead, a mother of two in a custody battle against the sterns, over the right of their commissioned baby.
You: >you are the ones who came aggressively at me for my sharing my thoughts without anger at anyone
Also you:> radfems sucking ben shapiros dick > mental retardation on radfems part again >>1869606>sorry if that explodes retard radfem brain in rage > will not take any criticism and foam at the mouth> radfems are too retarded to not foam at the mouth >>1869612> sorry you cannot understand these concepts. >>1869597> trad females want to force on me bc they're too ugly to get a man to pay for their life >>1869512
Your rage fueled projection is just funny. No wonder anon clocked you. So you're just deranged and think saying you're a hypocrite is aggressive while posting like a deranged scrote.>>1869606> radfems are too retarded to not foam at the mouth over someone saying men in dresses is potentially less bad than men and women being trad and taking away abortion rights, legally guaranteed school for children, women's right to work, and whatever else.
Also, imagine pretending these two groups are different and not composed of the same men kek. The same women who support trannies reee not all men and how manhate is bad because transmen aka women are totes real men.
that is an isolated case, which is great to support individual cases. it's not a systemic problem like porn, a cause which would have required significant pushback against the reagan administrations domestic and foreign policy agenda that was unfolding as radical feminists collaborated with them uncritically. that is my opinion. I know opinions critical of radfem rw alliance aren't allowed here.>>1869629
lmbo you are so offended by the fact trad women are ugly and lazy and want to take it out on all women. that is what is really funny tbh. besides that all those responses are responses to people itt accusing me of being a male bc i think allying w trads is worse than men in dresses. i said that wo being rude to anyone. its how i feel. that is why i called you retards bc everything is misconstruing and raging and incomprehension of whatever my valid
thoughts are which wasn't attacking anyone. i was attacked.
ok maam. whatever you say. you clearly cannot comprehend that if there are trad elites in power in the supreme court and an extreme rw agenda that has been gaining power, that people who don't want to live in the roles that agenda
would impose on them specifically even if they want to replicate those roles in an unacceptable way to the agenda in power
are better to me
than the people (ugly and lazy trad women) who want to live in those roles i dont want and transes dont want in the form the rw in power would impose on them. its just my opinion i stated without being rude to anyone here and people started foaming at the mouth at which point i called them too stupid to understand.>>1869630
its too late. what happened should never have. if dems were in power then it wouldn't have happened. thats my point and it is true. idc about anything else but emphasizing that the left recklessly hurt women then.
Yep, totally prefer troons to radfem trads. Annoying as they are troons still support the right to access abortion, birth control and divorce, and don't simp for conservatives. Rad trads can barely contain themselves when it comes to gushing over Matt Walsh, a hyper misogynistic tradcath who believes in child marriage, making abortion and divorce illegal, because he hates troons just like they do. Many show support for DeSantis and Trump for their anti-trans laws, and they're willing to cozy up to Nazis too. Why do you think so many RWNJs come to this site looking for a TERF
gf? Why did a GC org spout the immortal phrase "you have to hand it to the Taliban"?
Sucks to suck, but troons have a better track record when it comes to actually supporting women's rights than GCs. If I have to call some 5'1 fat girl Clarence to have abortion rights, that's what I'll do.>>1869625
You mean the case they lost because Mary Beth Whitehead was a psycho who kidnapped the baby and threatened to kill her multiple times? Why should she have any rights on the basis of genetic connection? Birth isn't a feat. It doesn't entitle you to anything. It's not a conscious act, and no, any brats you push out are not your "creation". You're owed nothing for breeding.
You do realize cons supported rad in this case because their woo woo womby ideologies are in ideological lockstep, right? Genetic connection trumping actual parenting capabilities or the wellbeing of the child is the same logic they use to justify rapists having parental rights and preventing divorce. You'd think finding yourself on the same side as violent misogynists would give you pause, but I guess rads are too busy waxing poetic about bleeding after pushing out their Nigel's spawn to care.
>>1869805>Mary Beth did not kidnap her breast-feeding infant.
Yes, she did. She and her husband kidnapped the baby and fled the state. Lactating does not confer ownership.>However, when with no prior chance to hire a lawyer, the Sterns sent the police to seize her baby in her own home.
If you want to go by the genetic lineage = unassailable ownership narrative, then William Stern was just as entitled as she was, given that he was the genetic father–and far and away a more capable caregiver, given Whitehead's instability.>She gave the child to her husband to stay with her in-laws in Florida.
She kidnapped the baby, but very funny how even under your misinterpretation she irresponsibly left Melissa in the care of a non-related male. So much for muh genetic relations kek
There was one threat she made when she was delirious - 'I gave birth to the baby and I can take her away' - and no other.
She made multiple repeated threats to Melissa's life during a nearly hour-long conversation William Stern managed to record. It was part of the reason she was found unfit and why custody was rightly awarded to the Sterns. If she were in fact that delirious for that long, she was totally unfit to parent.>She tried to be a part of her daughter's life throughout the whole thing
*Elizabeth Stern's daughter
Melissa Stern, the girl in question, terminated any rights Whitehead had and affirmed Elizabeth's status as her mother as soon as she reached legal adulthood and stated she loved her true parents and was happy she ended up with them. Actually caring for the child is what matters, not the bleedy breedy nonsense.
I know rad trads by and large accomplish nothing with their lives save for breeding and hate to hear this, but the children you push out are not your "creations". They owe you nothing, least of all their affection. You do not own them. They are not yours. Yes, even though pregnancy sucks and you got all bloody and ripped up pumping them out. That doesn't matter. Suffering is not a virtue, and you aren't a better person for it.>and its fucked up that your siding with a rich man over a woman who was used like a commodity
Why are you acting like she had no choice in the matter? Again, this is an example of so-called radical feminist thought seamlessly easing into conservative ideology–women are hapless idiots with no agency who can't be trusted to make their own decisions. Ideological lockstep. She wasn't "used", she made the decision to enter into a contract; one that never should've been drawn up in the first place since surrogacy(traditional esp) is ethically dubious at best, but it was her decision still. She wasn't a victim
then, and certainly wasn't one when she was threatening to kill Melissa so she wouldn't have to return her to her parents.
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Did you see the tags and her replies? I'm starting to develop a tinfoil that pakichan is Menalez. At the very least she has to be the one who always spams 2X about how Dworkin is a fat jew.
The funniest thing about Menalez is how she assumes all women she likes aren't white. She's done this with like five women now where she refers to them as POC
because she likes them, then when she gets corrected she starts acting cold towards them. Not denying the racism in radical feminism but she has pretty obvious mental problems kek.
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I don't know how anyone fell for this moron, Dworkin especially was most likely a mentally ill, and probably a fabulist who may have even convinced herself of her own fabrications.
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come on who cowtipped menalez
agree that racism is an issue (see: apostleofsappho) but the people she's arguing with are total randos that i have never seen before in my life, or even seen radfems reblogging. menalez will find the most random people to fight with then work herself into a fury over it kek. >>1870195
no one needs to cowtip her because she is an absolute stereotype bpdchan and she is 100% lurking and posting here herself.
>>1870860>i have no idea why it's such a big problem in virtually every community that bi women in particular are treated so horribly.
They're not "treated so borribly" they have been called out for being polilez (there are so many of those on radblr, menalez included.) >bi women are victimized at higher rates than lesbians
By men. I wonder why.
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we call them reichfems, surprisingly many are actually Turkish who used to be standard feminists but became radicalized with the Arab refugees in their country. So it's a complex relationship because they denounce misogyny and coomerism of their own men and can tone down their racism when necessary with other feminists, but they are very nationalist.
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damn went through her #p tag and the first thing that comes up is this pic of her absolutely gnarly scars. these have got to be the worst ive ever seen, definitely adding weight to the bpdchan tinfoil. also she's definitely not half black either kek race fakers are so pathetic
Radblr is a perfect illustration of how aimlessly posting online is the fakest type of activism. It's 90% nitpicking about absurd hypotheticals and/or flat out lying to win stupid arguments.>>1871075
WTF is that true???? I didn't knew.>>1871088
What do you mean lying to win stupid arguments? I used to really like radblr and they seemed very cool as a community, but after some months constantly there, you can just see how much they are not willing to do what they say is good. Female separatism here, terftopia there, but as soon as ONE woman says anything they don't agree it's time to witchunt the girl. I wonder if they could really do anything materially good when everything they know how to do is donate organizations. Good, it's very cool to donate, but change starts at our day-to-day lives and the little changes in woman's lives, not donating and just letting the damage be made to the marginalized women or just really any woman.
Yes, I realize a lot of orbiters might not know the price of weed but prior to deactivating, she posted about how she was going to get another oz (100-200$ USD currency) from her plug for the bubblegum pink strain. This was already after spending at least 400$ on weed (she showed the bag on her blog like an idiot stoner). I have screenshots somewhere I can try and find to post later, but the timing of it all pissed me off.
It’s possible she spent more than 400 USD for the 2.5 oz, but she’s spent at least half of 1k in total on drugs within the same month of her ebegging.>>1870860
Bi women do oppress lesbians, you imbecile. Did you miss Milo (macroclit) saying that she believes lesbians can happily date TIMs? Of course lesbians are going to be angry at bi women’s lesbophobia.
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This was the weed she posted in the midst of the month of all of the drama happening.
KEK, this shit is so infuriating, i wonder how the people who helped her felt. Do you know if she was able to abort, at least? I wasn't able to see how things had gone so i'm extremelly curious right here, thanks for the cap, nonna.>>1871118
Saying lesbians can date TIMs isn't literally ignoring the reality of being female and the fact that lesbians are naturally attracted to females? Other than that, i don't really see how bisexual women oppress lesbians too. Must be ignorance. To be honest, i see a lot of… uhm… contempt? Towards bi women in radblr that makes me believe that the lesbians there really are a bit prejudiced towards bi women. I just think that all that bi women and lesbian shit makes everyone forget that the root of the problem is the relationship of those women with males. Males are going to be violent to any woman, wether she's lesbian, straight or bi, in a romantic/sexual setting or no, every woman is in danger with males. Dating males is no privilege, because, well, you are going to be abused anyways. Not dating males is also no privilege, because, well… you are going to be victim
of their violence/simple systematical power anyways! It's like saying a pretty woman has beauty privilege when beauty privilege is just being seem as a piece of meat, and being ugly is being seem as a piece of rotting meat. It may seem like the beautiful female is loved but in reality she's just an asset for a male/male gaze.
Girl… Bi women oppress lesbians by acting like homosexuality isn’t possible, they oppress lesbians when they sexualize other women with their moids, they oppress lesbians when they claim that they’re no different than a lesbian because they both have SSA despite the experiences of both bi and lesbian women still being different. The reason why you will see lesbians talk about this is because of how common it is for us to be silenced by bisexuals when we try to speak on it, no matter how gentle we try to be in our approach. Bi women aren’t all godawful, don’t get me wrong, febfems are lovely women but women in general are oppressed by men and it doesn’t stop there. Women can and do oppress other women on the axis of race, sexuality and even class status. I can’t count the amount of times I have been involved with other radical feminists who were bi, that ended up treating me like a moid because of my being strictly SSA. Growing up as a lesbian, we are made to feel like freaks by other women on the basis of our homosexuality, regardless of if they are bisexual or heterosexual. A middle class woman oppresses women in poverty, despite that same middle class woman being oppressed by the 1% of rich, famous women. I hope that comparison makes some sense, I’m multi tasking and don’t wish to come off as accusatory when I do believe you want to try and understand what the issue is. I appreciate your agreement that her take on lesbians dating TIMs was insane, for example.
It makes a lot of sense now, nonna. I'm totally aware of the way straight/bi women see lesbians, as if you were disgusting/strange/sexual predators in some waym, i have seen that happen many times in real life, and yeah, that doesn't go towards bi women (bi women are often seem as just having fun/not dangerous/not really all that attracted to females) while there's problems in seeing seem like that, it's trully better than being seem as a threat by other women. I really had no idea/had not thought of those things so i appreciate your patience. I was being simplistic when looking back at what i said, so yeah. >>1871129
Well, not so bad. Hope she doesn't scam people again.
Totally. When you talked about bi people acting like homosexuality isn't possible i was like "oh, but i have never thought anything like that in my whole life", but i'm not everyone and i know very well people can be crazy/unempathetic at horrendous levels, so i imagine what you must have dealed with/what homosexual women must have dealed with. Thanks again for being so careful.>>1871140
It's very mature to admit you were wrong, nonna! It's good that you never experienced homophobia. I feel like that the problem is mostly lack of empathy from bi women and the fact that lesbians and bi women are different so they both may feel totally different towards things.
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she had an entire era where she talked about being black all the time and it's still at the top of her faq. her bio used to say "dark skinned afro-arab woman" and when she got called out for obviously not being dark skinned or black she was like well i never claimed to be dark skinned by BLACK standards even though that was obviously the implication. she really is like a reverse effina kek
Ntayrt but I wanted to chime in and say I honestly think part of the friction between bi women and lesbians is feelings of personal betrayal. Lesbians expect men to fuck us over, we expect straight women not to understand us, and we are used to being isolated. Bi women are the closest people we have to kindred spirits, so when even they treat us like freaks, it hurts in an even more personal way. If even SSA women are telling us it's unnatural to have 0 interest in men, it makes us defensive, mistrustful, and insular.
Many bi women are lovely and levelheaded, especially febfems who prioritize women and acknowledge our differences (and similarities!), but many are not like this and walk all over us and treat us like garbage, so this leads to animosity. There are lesbians who really tried to coalition build with bi women and then got burned, and so now they are skeptical of bi women, which in turn makes bi women feel alienated. Bi women wonder why they're being treated like potential traitors and lesbians wonder why bi women can't understand our hesitation, and this hurts our ability to work together. I think a bit of empathy would go a long way for repairing this coalition though.
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Sage for OT, but I knew someone just like this in University. He was half Turkish, had light brown hair, green eyes, and was pretty pale. However, he would go on and on about white people and takes straight out of black twitter and despite the fact that 100% people thought he was just a white guy with a beard, he would adamantly claim he was a "racialized POC
I agree with you. I'm not a lesbian but looking through a lesbian woman's perspective, i totally understand that, imagine having someone that understands you and this person chooses your "enemy" (males) or replaces you with a male. I would feel so hurt. It must feel like such a betrayal, and there's also the ones who use other women as a way of fetishing themselves for their boyfriends.
I do kinda admit that i sometimes ask myself HOW straight women can not be atleast bi, though? Maybe it's just me being bi but women are so wonderful and i can't imagine simply not wanting to love them LOL, sorry for kinda blogpost.
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least moronic radfem.
yeah, i did actually miss that. i made my post before that came out, i believe, but macro deleted now so i can't verify it. regardless, i didn't see it when i wrote what i did, so yeah. not sure how that makes me an imbecile kek. but you're right, i do think this is a genuine example of how bi women can be complicit in the struggles lesbian face. however i disagree that this means they are oppressors of lesbians overall.
many bi women do awful, harmful things towards lesbians, as >>1871127
touched on in her post. but where i think i disagree is the idea that this should be considered in itself oppression. to use a probably flawed example, i don't think NLOG women who shit on other women to males are oppressing women. they are victims
of misogyny like any woman, and while they are being openly complicit in furthering that, they aren't oppressors. all women who experience genuine SSA are considered deviant on the basis of their sex and their sexuality, and experience oppression because of it. the specifics and intensities of how bisexual and lesbian women are treated in their SSA can vary (i.e. with the former being treated as "unserious" in their love for women and the latter being treated as predatory for their love), and this is because they are different groups. but lesbians are not oppressed by homophobic men because they're lesbians specifically…they're oppressed because they are attracted to women, aka homosexual. again, only the specifics of their oppression differ on that axis. both groups are oppressed for their homosexuality.
if some SSA women choose to demonize other SSA women in the process of being oppressed, this makes them bad people, yes, but not necessarily a member of the oppressor class.
that said, i do actually understand some of the bad blood between lesbians and bi women, despite my original post. when you're backed into a corner by society because you're a woman who loves other women, you become hypersensitive to all sorts of potential prejudice against you; you have to be, after all. anything less would put you in danger. still, i think it's sad that it exists so strongly even in a community focused around supporting women. still, on my end i hope to help remedy the burned bridges by pushing for more bi and het women to actually listen to lesbians, and not cry misogyny or biphobia instantly whenever they're called out by them. but again, i haven't been fully convinced that any prominent radblr lesbians in particular would do the same for me. doesn't mean i won't, but again, it's sad. sorry for the longpost i just love having genuine conversations with you nonas!!
I always forget to sage, so sorry. I don't think so, because in all history who have been gathering food and making all the work were women, hunting was responsible for less than 50% of the food, it was unstable and also the hunting methods were not force based but instead they looked after sick animals, rests of the killings of others predators, etc. Actually, communities were based around women since they were the ones who had to gather to take care of the children, males often would just go away because, well, a long time ago people didn't even knew men had any place in women's pregnancy. They thought it was something magical resulting from menstruation rather than sexual intercourse. Males have never been "fathers" and the myth of the father has been a way of getting power over females and their capacities of producing the essential value that is life. I don't know if most women are bi, though. I hope. But anyways in patriarchy they are always going to ignore that/not express because it's deemed disgusting/degenerate and there's many more systemic advantages in having a relationship with men (women are more poor than men, in constant danger of rape and much more).(sage your shit)
>>1871239> most women are at least a little bi.
not true lol, there's no bi women. it's pornsick women who are saturated with our pornsick media who think "yeah that woman is attractive" but would never eat pussy. isn't it something like 90% of "bi" women are "het partnered"? I'm tired of pretending bisexuality's real. it comes up way too often, derails everything, and it's boring.
I don't think bi women oppress lesbians, tho. I'd really like to move away from this stupid card game we seem eager to play. "I put down a white lesbian card to trump her brown lesbian, but she played a white bi woman card! I lost!" That's so dumb. Individuals don't oppress individuals. That's how we live in a patriarchy but some men still have shit outcomes. Let's please at least be smarter than moids.
Some of them do, a lesbian vent thread aka bisexual hate thread
has already been made, I guess the rest of them are too retarded to use it
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The absolute irony of her calling herself not fat and ugly in the caption is hilarious. I have to post it in two parts because I didn’t save it properly before Macroclit deactivated.
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Caption that was attatched to her post.
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bihet-meanie was revealed to have went back to dating the moid she dated when she was 17. She pretended to be a lesbian on radblr for years, purely typing in pink text.
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Why do polilezzies always look like… Dworkin?
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The polilez phenotype… Fat and ugly kek.
Nta but>If you disagree with me being a retard you must be one of the people I hate reeee
right every minute kek. Anon is right, being ugly isn't milk (not to mention the samefaging) and you're an embarrassment newfag. At this point might as well try and find out who the person being posted upset because it's retard social media cows posting their enemies kek.
Samefag >>1871456>It's not very radfem to think a girl/women being ugly isn't milk.
KEK. You are retarded vendettafag. This is why you losers should stick to dying shit like twitter instead of trying to pollute imageboards with your unhinged seething, it's supposed to be anonymous and you fail to mask yourself.
Sure, beeline to calling a woman fat and ugly to prove how wrong and cringe they are. Fuckin nailed it, i wasnt convinced by their flagrant retardation but thank god I know they're big uggos now>>1871429>>1871324
This website is full of people whose only experiences and relationships have been online. They don't get how normal human interaction works and they don't have empathy for anyone that deviates from the narratives political schizos have been shoving down their gullets since they were teens.
I don't think she's a vendettafag because the one who brought up the topic of this macroclit person was me, out of curiosity, she just brought info.
I don't think she's not bringing milk because this macroclit girl actually asked people for money for aborting and then appeared with a lot of weed after, and was overall lesbophobic before, as said by the anon giving info. This girl do seems very milky, it seems like you nonnas are being dramatic over one (1) piece of info she gave, but haven't been here to give any type of milk either. Also, i constantly see people dragging the looks of other people in their respective threads, like in grimes thread (you could say that it happens but the thread is just for grimes, but in her thread you also find people dragging aella's looks before aella herself had a thread). It doesn't seem like there's any big problem here and the topic at hand is related to a radfem, but she's on tumblr rather then twitter, that's it. I also don't understand saying we are vendettafags or anything like that just because we are talking about tumblr, there could be as much selfpost in a twitter focused thread, so why are we selfposting/vendetta posting just because it's about tumblr and we said a milky person was ugly?
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There is alot of them and I wished I still remembered their handles but I don't.
But I will say one thing and that's that Leah is completely different when you met her compared to her videos. She acts insane in videos but when I talked to her she looked so awkward and she didn't know what to talk about, she didn't look like that extrovert she portrays herself as.
I also had some experience with parkie possie (or however she was called) before she became full right-wing and she was okay. I'm really disappointed what she became. It really does feel like a lot of radfems or women who label themselves tergs go through the right wing or trad route and I'm kinda thankful I didn't end up becoming like that.
Meghan Murphy kind of went the same direction. I can't find it, but she had an interview with Kate Herzog (not one of the ones on youtube) where they talked about disowning the feminist label and how she liked Mexican men's machismo (or something… it was really fucking weird). This was right after a bunch of TRAs violently threatened her at some event and feminists didn't stand up for her.
Her site is still called Feminist Current and covers feminist issues, so she may have changed her mind. But she definitely had a backlash moment.
There's also Terry Strange, but she's been all over the fucking place since she first logged on.
As for Parker Posey, I think her only feminist credential was being gender critical. Many such cases. Vidrel, 56:00 in
What ecochamber, girl? I can't understand according to the things i have read/seem/learned. I think someone should be able to absorve knowledge and not turn into a totally different person once she gets out of a community/identity. If you are always going into extremes you haven't learned shit. Well, if you can understand it better, i can't understand turning trad and submissive towards the people who commit 97% of the crimes, rape women, traffic women, abuse, kill, humiliate, and all that shit. I need no ecochamber to understand that simple fact. No ecochamber will relativize material reality.
It's hard to understand that wich seems dumb to me, that's it.
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From an orbiter. She says she's not a rad, but is constantly in their business
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tonguehurt has has been a personal cow of mine for a while. she's a 19 year old terminally online self diagnosed "sociopath" who thinks looking at gore on the internet and saying kys on tumblr means she has antisocial personality disorder. she is obsessed with necrophilia and rape and cannibalism and posts her sexual fantasies in detail, also watches necrophilia porn and snuff and defends it because she's a lesbian despite criticizing other women for watching porn. she used to go by tagai and was a tif until last year when she got peaked on trannies and joined radtwt and got big on there despite admitting to never reading any radfem theory. then she got blackpilled within a month, and started getting in drama with everyone and sending rape threats and gore to other women she had beef with. she stopped being a radfem because she "hates women" and posted autistic rants about how she "wants all cock sluts to be raped and forced into porn because they love semen and abusive
men," and is a "misandrist" who thinks men raping straight women is good because they deserve it apparently. then she moved to orbiting radblr despite "not being a radfem" and had extensive beef with another cow menalez. she made a 100+ page callout document on her for being a lesbian larper. she also says she has no life and no in person friends and all she does is sit on tumblr and jerk off to porn all day. i read her blog because it always makes me feel way better about my life kek
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I posted this before but it fits better here, there was a phenomenon till the late 2000's, where some young people switched between various extremist ideologies such as communism or fascism. While primarily young men took part in the phenomenon, women also participated. you could find Neo-Nazi women who were former women's studies majors. many young people, who may be struggling to find their identity and sense of belonging, seek out perceived extremist groups as a way to rebel or engage in petty acts of aggression.
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"You all just think my necrophilia is a problem because I'm a lesbian" -lul
i posted both >>1871610
and i am neither tonguehurt nor menalez, i just lurk on radblr for the drama kek. they are both major radblr cows who fight with everyone, including each other, how is it strange that they would be brought up at around the same time?
people who think necrophilia is okay think like rapists. they think they have the right to use someone else's body as a resource, as sexual tool for themselves. they say that "what does it matter since they are dead and can't know what's happening?" you could same make the same argument about raping a person in coma or a sleeping person, and the only problem of rape isn't the damage caused to the victim
, it's the whole attitude of a rapist that they are entitled to someone else's body and view them as objects for them to use. if someone supports necrophilia they have a rapist mentality, massive red flag.
This thread has to be in the top 5 when it comes to having the most self-posters. It's just filled with terminally online retards who are refreshing any mention about them here. >>1871699>>1871871
god, you obese retard. Can you be more subtle next time if you plan to whiteknight yourself.>>1871797
How dense are you. She marched with a self-identified nazi group and instead of disowning them…she thanked them for protecting her and marching with her. There is other shit too that she did that I forgot. Does she need to have a swastika on her head so autistic retards who can't understand subtle things or dogwhistles would know she ponders to the alt-right. (Majority of gender critical do unfortunately)
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I love seeing them all go at each other’s throats. They’re all vile in their own ways and hate each other so much that I can’t but laugh.
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nta but yes tagai is obese she was bragging about being 144 lbs at 5'0" and how skinny and anorexic she thinks she is. also she censored the bmi even though she posted her height and weight kek?
posie parker has also appeared on multiple podcasts by hard right nationalist and nazis.
there's also that famous clip where she and her white karen gang showed up at a BLM protest and yelled "wash your balls!!!" and "you're a man!!!" at a bunch of young black women.
the minute anyone in the GC movement says anything that could be construed as being vaguely pro trans, they are excommunicated and labeled as a handmaiden and the enemy, but when it comes to blatant right wing scrote simping, right wing misogyny, racism, nationalism, nazism etc. it's always ohhh she didn't mean that, she's actually a centrist, stop dividing women, we need them on our side … kek.
you can tell a lot women in this movement don't pay any attention to politics unrelated to troonism, because this is straight out of the far right concern trolling infiltration playbook first pioneered by stormfront. they're going to have a rough awakening when the charade drops in a few more years and all their favorite GC influencers publically come out as anti-abortion.
This looks more like "expectation vs reality," unless I'm missing something?>>1871941>This thread has to be in the top 5 when it comes to having the most self-posters. It's just filled with terminally online retards who are refreshing any mention about them here.
Is that why there's all these posts about orbiters instead of actual radical feminists? >>1871994>>1872061
Agree with all of you. There's a backlash building against TRAs now, but the "radical feminist" backlash is coming in the next few years. People claim the label who don't hold any actual feminist beliefs, they're just normie gender critical people or full on far right freaks. Radical feminists who should know better support and defend these people, especially on twitter.
Not to mention the terminally online young women who call themselves radfems seem… indoctrinated? That word feels too strong, but I'm struggling to find a better one. Young people's brains have been pickling in out-of-context, unreal social media "politics" during their formative years, and I think it's all just complete theoretical or disconnected from reality to them. Their politics don't seem like they're coming from a place of free thought or a genuine wish to change the world, but a persona or weird hobby.
"We're not gonna make it" etc.
Thankfully it's not like that in woc
radfem spaces, they call a lot of this shit out. There's a lot of calling out even other radfems for that kinda hypocrisy and pandering to the people eagerly stealing our reproductive rights
Not telling you to gravitate there if it's not something you're comfortable with, just trying to provide some optimism
>>1871994>they're going to have a rough awakening when the charade drops in a few more years and all their favorite GC influencers publically come out as anti-abortion.
"Radfems" already simp for Matt Walsh and the other Daily Wire freaks, all of whom oppose abortion even for little girls. Matt "diaper fetishist" Walsh recently came out against all feminism, even 1st wave, saying it was anti-family and the one of the worst things to ever happen to society, and they still simp. The "Hands Across the Aisle" cons and anti-abortion, and they simp. DeSantis made abortion effectively illegal in Florida, but hates troons, so they simp. Multiple radfems accounts have come out and said they'd sacrifice abortion rights for anti-troon laws. Radfems to this day publish in right wing rags, and the anti-trans "movement" is vast majority conservative. aT lEasT thEy knOwS wHaT wOmEn aRe!!!
There's no getting the cat back in the bag. Being GC is a regressive, conservative ideology now.
>>1872109>Being GC is a regressive, conservative ideology now.
That's a stretch and incredibly defeatist. Feminist rejection of socially imposed gender norms is not the same as conservatives' belief that society needs strictly enforced gender norms to function.
Feminists believe that men can be feminine without needing to transition into women and oppose reductive gender stereotypes used by rabid TRAs; conservatives think transgender people are some sort of turbogay, therefore bad.
Just because some dipshits on the internet are reaching across the aisle doesn't mean we need to abandon the whole project. Btw, a lot of internet feminists vocally reject bigots like Walsh.
Same anon, I want to clarify that I get what you're saying about public perception of "gender critical" beliefs, but I still think this is a defeatist line of thinking. Normie women are generally FAR more sympathetic to radical feminist analysis on this subject (as long as you don't call it radical feminist analysis) than they are to Daily Wire insects sperging about the nuclear family. Radical feminists just need to stick to the basics and be more compassionate to transgender people instead of trying to snark at TRAs to save women's spaces and sex based rights. I'm embarrassed by the twitter freaks as much as the next feminist, but I'm not conceding any ground. Plenty of women are fighting the good fight without embracing the right wing. It sucks that the feminist who do
embrace them will be used as ammunition against us.
Sage for rant, but why are terminally online radfem spaces so retarded, especially Radblr? They treat radical feminism like it's a fandom, and it's so obvious they can't actually think for themselves. They're more focused on inventing tropes for themselves like "factfem" and "rudefem" and turning to the same identitarianism they pretend to hate than actually reading/discussing theory or female liberation. Even their black-and-white thinking about the evil libfems vs. the based radfems screams autist, it's like the new "Potterheads get your wands" fandom blogger vs. hipster blogger wars, I don't know how the fuck this is supposed to convince anyone they're sane and worth listening to. There are so many variations of feminism, but if you listened to Radblr, you wouldn't know that. They're so convinced they're smarter and better than TRAs, but imo they are also very bad about holding their own accountable, examining their beliefs, and turning ideology into a personality trait/fashion accessory. They're out here getting scurvy from their NEETism, fucking married men, keeping up years long fart fetish "bits", getting into polycule drama, leaking each other's Discord messages, following tradcaths and caping for right wingers, and then they wonder why no one takes them seriously as a Proper Movement. Radblr is packed full of self-unaware cows, and it's equal parts fascinating and bleak.
>>1872241>They treat radical feminism like it's a fandom,
Exactly this , I didn't know how to describe it in words but Fandom is exactly what I felt. They behave like a toxic
kpop Fandom instead of like a….. actual movement.
Also I don't know if things have changed but when I was a radfem you weren't allowed to speak up or call out misoginy from other radfems because if you did then the polilezs would label you as lesbophobic. Things like this happened regularly and I saw it happen to other radfems who called out the crazy or reactionary radfems. It happened to me once too, I was defending this one radfem from another radfem who was harassing her by calling her sexist slurs and then that radfem basically resorted to calling me lesbophobic (despite me not saying anything remotely homophobic).
It's a regular silencing tactic to put women in their place and make them shut up and it reminds me of troons since they do the same thing (oh you called me out for being a creep well your transpobic)
I genuinely think that radical feminists fucked themselves by teaming up with right wing moids and trad thots in the 80s and it plays part in the rise of pick me liberal feminism with the third wave beginning in the 90s. And some of them re doing it again now. They've learned nothing.>>1871590
Meghan Murphy claims getting banned off of twitter is what caused her to start rejecting the feminist label. Another consequence of "my dog ate my rotted pseudo-clit" Jonathan Yaniv. She's found a home mildly grifting off of rightoid males like Benjamin Boyce, probably the most uncharismatic of all rightoid grifters. Her giggly interviews with him are pure cringe. At the same time, she still discusses actual feminism a lot. She namedropped The Transsexual Empire on Joe Rogan and credited radical feminist with being the first to stand up to troons on his show. She is still anti-sex work. In fact, I'd say the majority of her views are still solidly feminist/rad fem, but she fell down the "icky feminism label I'm a true freethinker now" hole.
Posie Parker is good at being direct and focused when she speaks about the troon menace and their threat to women, but get her off that topic, and she sounds like any other dumb trad thot. I think she cares to an extent, but her grifting is also really obvious.
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She’s still racist and lesbophobic.
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wait radicaldumbass is macroclit? does she just keep coming back to tumblr under different aliases to stir up more shit? also of course menalez was involved with that situation too lmao
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this shit is so funny. aww, now i kinda miss the radblr confessions blog kek.
>>1872288>you fucked up when you lied to me milo.
KEKKKK the fucking lowercase + direct name calling + period at the end
She's so online and pathetic, my god
radical feminism should be as divorced from online drama culture as it fan be yet here you are, trying to sow discord.
some of those gossip blog seem like a place for orbiters and filthy casuals to vent so they don't really matter anyway but you have to wonder if the childish crap is what drives away all the older women from the site. exgynocrat left Tumblr in 2015 or 2016 and auntiewanda, a veteran on radblr never remade. eventually all that will be left will be the shit posters and 18-year-olds who are just pissed in general and who will drift away from feminist comms the moment their buddies stop enabling them. bleak
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r0achie, former stanabortion
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scrolling thru my dash rn
She's so milky she had to change her name from Jess to Adrian to hide from her previous online persona and all the shit she would start on Tumblr and elsewhere. She has a habit of joining social groups and making herself out to be some kind of leader and starting shit when people don't behave according to her exact principles, even outside of rf circles.
She also keeps making GFMs for stuff like groceries but then it turns out her wife and her have undergone multiple rounds of unsuccessful IVF that keeps failing and they keep begging for money online. Bitch can't afford food but can afford IVF and we're supposed to believe they can afford to raise children?
She also calls straight women spermholders and breeders and other such names which is really funny considering she paid a small fortune to have her wife Ellen medically turned into a spermholder breeder herself.
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Butch-Reidentified is not a lesbian.
Sage for super OT, but one of the weirdest things I have found with radfems is their idealization of "womyn's land" and a collective narrative that "men and troons forced those communities to shut down". They didn't. Those communes shut down because they all gave up. Living in the woods is a nice fantasy, but it required actual work that people just weren't willing to put in. and whey do they bring up successful still functioning examples of women-only communities, and again, it's like they never did any actual research. There are women's only communities that have worked and currently prospering but they don't work the way most radfems imagine, Umoja village in Kenya, the Kihnu community in Estonia and Jinwar in Rojova(syria)
let's start with the oldest the Kihnu, you'll often see that claim the Kihnu are a matriarchal society(that's simply not true) cultures like the Kihnu have existed in small corners around the world, where due to harsh condition men do all the physical labor and women handle the administration, there are certain historical examples in various Nordic countries where all the able bodied men would spend months days or weeks hunting or fishing as a matter of survival for the community so the women were left to run things, Its not a perfect system but its better then what most women have historically have had to deal with
Umoja is recent example and it should serve as an example of exactly what to do if you want to establish a successful commune, they have a reliable method of income for the community(selling garments and textiles) they have relations with Kenyan government for protection if any rebel group tries to attack them, they build schools and hospitals with the income they have, they allow women with male children to be in their communities and thus they have a sustainable population growth.
Jinwar was only established only in the past few years, it was created by the YPG for women and children, many of whom lost their husband's during the civil war, just like Umoja it operates on self substantiality, it has actual facilities to provide education and healthcare for the women and children.(off-topic)
Okay incel >>1869640
. They really do remain the same regardless of transition kek.
Yes kek. Nice not being able to deflect the point. People are just posting anyone who’s GC and calling them a terf
even if they aren’t, like Posie Parker who herself says she’s not a rf. When this is pointed out anon seethes “but she’s GC! You can’t say she’s not rf, she’s a terf
!”. You also say that as if saying rfs are trad is not strawmaning them. The projection is obvious.
Kellie-Jay Keen and her supporters don’t care about women, they just hate troons. Even the ones who call themselves “terfs” and “feminists” (e.g. Angie Jones, Sall Grover et al) are nothing but right wing grifters who want to enforce gender norms. They think women’s rights activism comprises nothing but screaming “YOU’RE A GROOMER!” at people. They praise Matt Walsh, happily rub shoulders with white nationalists/supremacists like Sebastian Gorka and spout racist, lesbophobic, tradwife, misogynistic bullshit 24/7. They’re garbage people and I hate that they’re associated with feminism because people don’t know what words mean >>1872902
This is why separatism is the only option
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Probably because living in bumfuck nowhere is not actually an appealing alternative to someone who doesn't live in the third world. Agreed on all women housing.>>1873596
Heard through the grapevine that blog is following a bunch of accounts that don't even get into drama. She's pretending she doesn't know what lolcow is but it's very clear she's lurking here imo.
Thank you for articulating all of this so well! This is what I've been trying to say, but way better.>>1873321>maybe being an antisocial troll doesn't actually make you very smart or perceptive? hmmmmmm
You're talking about social media users, their idea of truth and beauty is ratioing people with immature dunks and posting literal nonsense.
NTA but KJK is the face of the GC and by extension RF movement, whether you like it or not. She doesn't need to be a feminist herself. Even the normies I talk to know about her and her rallies where she cozies up to neo-Nazis, and they(rightly, unfortunately) associate GC and RF ideology with the far right. Should've gatekept more, should've simped for conservatives less–even when they "at least know what a woman is". GC and RF are both toxic
assets and normal women, no matter how skeptical they are of the trans movement, will not want to associate with them.
I've been to a handful of them and it's pretty bleak. The description "6 old women" is true as hell. And anyone younger than 60 has a chance to be a munchie. The last one I lived in, there was a girl who said she had allergies to chemicals (all, apparently) and she lived in an $8k geodesic tent from REI that was made out of nylon. WTF does she think nylon is??? And when we first met, she pointed at my watch and asked if it was a smart watch, bc she was allergic to the signals.
But then she'd come down to the only house that had wifi to watch She-Ra on netflix.
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sage for OT and blog-posting, But I actually knew a woman named
Lisa Michele, she was a radfem (but socialist leaning) and kind of soft-spoken in real life. Well, she ended up being groomed by a neo-Nazi and went down to that path, and I don't know what happened to her. Now, I'm not saying that Lisa is going to end up the same way, but I wouldn't doubt that she could end up head down a reactionary path.(the fact she admits to browsing r/stupidpol felt really alarming to me)
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In the 60s, a radfem author discussed an issue related to this that ended up applying to the majority of hippie communities as well as sections of academia. The author, Jo Freeman, wrote The Tyranny of Structurelessness, argues that in most "Structureless" groups or communes, informal power structures tend to emerge and can be difficult to challenge or change in groups that have no formal structure or hierarchy, said groups were more prone to cliques, factions, and personal infighting
A section from the essay>Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such thing as a structureless group. Any group of people of whatever nature that comes together for any length of time for any purpose will inevitably structure itself in some fashion. The structure may be flexible; it may vary over time; it may evenly or unevenly distribute tasks, power and resources over the members of the group. But it will be formed regardless of the abilities, personalities, or intentions of the people involved. The very fact that we are individuals, with different talents, predispositions, and backgrounds makes this inevitable. Only if we refused to relate or interact on any basis whatsoever could we approximate structurelessness – and that is not the nature of a human group.>This means that to strive for a structureless group is as useful, and as deceptive, as to aim at an "objective" news story, "value-free" social science, or a "free" economy. A "laissez faire" group is about as realistic as a "laissez faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen for the strong or the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others. This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures, only formal ones. Similarly "laissez faire" philosophy did not prevent the economically powerful from establishing control over wages, prices, and distribution of goods; it only prevented the government from doing so. Thus structurelessness becomes a way of masking power, and within the women's movement is usually most strongly advocated by those who are the most powerful (whether they are conscious of their power or not). As long as the structure of the group is informal, the rules of how decisions are made are known only to a few and awareness of power is limited to those who know the rules. Those who do not know the rules and are not chosen for initiation must remain in confusion, or suffer from paranoid delusions that something is happening of which they are not quite aware.>For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a given group and to participate in its activities the structure must be explicit, not implicit. The rules of decision-making must be open and available to everyone, and this can happen only if they are formalized. This is not to say that formalization of a structure of a group will destroy the informal structure. It usually doesn't. But it does hinder the informal structure from having predominant control and make available some means of attacking it if the people involved are not at least responsible to the needs of the group at large. "Structurelessness" is organizationally impossible. We cannot decide whether to have a structured or structureless group, only whether or not to have a formally structured one. Therefore the word will not be used any longer except to refer to the idea it represents. Unstructured will refer to those groups which have not been deliberately structured in a particular manner. Structured will refer to those which have. A Structured group always has formal structure, and may also have an informal, or covert, structure. It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured groups, which forms the basis for elites.
And this still very much applies to most modern day radfems.
Has she ever referred to that as grooming? I know she describes it as abusive
but from what I understand she herself does not consider what happened grooming.
If you're terminally online, sure, you're going to get a ton of exposure to PP and KJK. You could argue that they're poisoning the well. Most women don't spend hours on twitter, though.
JK Rowling is a far more prominent, mainstream GC figure. And she's not hyping up these right wing women at all.
You also have sympathetic gay men speaking out in defense of GC talking points. "Gay man reacting to TRA bullshit" is an emerging trend on YoutTube, there's mrmenmo and ShapeShifter, etc. They're not promoting right wing bullshit and are sticking up for women instead of griping about how some republicans agree with them on a very surface level. Maybe you should try it some time!
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how does she claim to be a radfem when she is quite literally pro marriage? marriage is historically (and still) used to slave away women to moids.
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>>1874302>anti love anti human agenda
trad rhetoric kek
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samefag but it gets way worse, now she wants to breed with her pedo husband. she’s gone full trad how pathetic
this is not surprising surprising coming from miss “lesbians don’t exist” kek
You're citing one person who need some observations like 50 years ago? that doesn't make steep hierarchy a good thing or you an expert on radical feminists who you probably have a grudge against.
the issue with mixed sex communes or whatever is that men will inevitably dominate the discussions and occupy positions of power.
there's a ton of anecdotal evidence on how if you include men in women's support groups (such as those relating to victims
of sexual violence) you'll discover that males will dominate the conversation and will speak over women, essentially making solidarity much more difficult to build.
there will always be people who want to dominate a group or a discussion or whatever but way of organization that place emphasis on those with the appropriate expertise and knowledge valuable to a group could be a less toxic
alternative to hierarchies involving dominant-submissive relationships that you find under male dominance in general. but you also have to take into account who chooses what ideas need to take precedence over others in a group. If there's the significant difference in opinion between you and those who manage to achieve power there's going to be conflict. That's where the trouble lies and this is what makes online spaces for feminists unsatisfactory to me. It's always other people and not necessarily the smarter people who get to decide what opinions have merit and they're not the always the kinds of opinions that I like. plus, people form cliques regardless. That's not an alternative to hierarchies That's just how social animals work. you learn that in hs sociology.
>Even scholars who might disagree on the merits of hierarchy agree that steeper hierarchies tend to lower cooperation and increase competition among group members. In any hierarchy, higher rank comes not just with material rewards, but with a host of social and psychological benefits, such as increased prestige (Berger et al., 1980), more credit for group successes (Fan & Gruenfeld, 1998; Meindl et al., 1985), and better overall well-being (Adler,
Epel, Castellazzo, & Ickovics, 2000). In contrast, low rank comes with social neglect (Chance, 1967; Savin-Williams,
1979), less participation and yet more blame for group failures (Weisband, Schneider, & Connolly, 1995), and heightened feelings of fear, shame, and anxiety (Mazur, 1973; Tiedens, 2000).
>Therefore, steeper hierarchies promote more competition by raising the stakes for competition over rank.
if you are looking for ways to justify to yourself that being around moids and moid enablers is great and you're totally free to do that. The moment that you try to assume what feminist groups are liking what they do when you have literally no experience being in such a group or living among such people is where like I draw the line. none one cares how you justify your handmaidenry.
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I'm late to this but anon if you are still reading this don't feel bad about yourself, you are likely on the spectrum and seem to enjoy to debate and to write (I mean it in the nicest way possible). I feel bad you genuinely engaged with her and she basically mocked you though, I get spergs can be annoying but if they aren't trolling or trying to annoy you in purpose there is no reason to be a bitch, specially if you are talking to a younger woman with little social awareness who's genuinely trying her best. What a bish fr.
I think you should consider starting a blog or writing, it's definitely very therapeutic and helps a lot organizing those disordered overflowing thoughts people like us tend to have. It does help me a lot specially after I learnt to regulate my social interactions with other people and be less sperg-y.
t. A fellow sperg who used to have little social awareness and behaved somewhat similar when she was a naive teenager (and got bullied by older grown ass adult women online too, figures).
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Tonguehurt the Somali couldn't take the heat after all, huh? what a riot.
did she die or something?>>1878569
this blog is already deleted and good fucking riddance, i had never heard of it until it was posted here which does make me suspect it was a selfpost to be honest
and it was a cesspool, full of anons saying that child human trafficking victims
were whores and that domestic violence shelters were a waste of resources.
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the self posting is real lmao
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and she's a pro-forced birth retard too
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I don't know if she's ever really been a rad fem, but Birdy Rose is in a lot of their spaces because she is gender critical at least. Anyway, something that's been a lot time coming, she's now going mask off "feminism bad". I guess we'll see either the trad thot or the "I'm such a free thinker, I don't need labels" arc for the rightoid betabux next.
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Tonguehurt attempted to rejoin Menalez's server. this after Tonguehurt posted some exposé on Menalez on her Tumblr and later wound up deleting her account on there.
I'm not sure why Tonguehurt thought Menalez & Co. would welcome her back and/or not recognize her since it is my understanding they already know what she looks like from a selfie. I'm curious what Tonguehurt looks like though I already know she's black and 5'0"/1.5 meters.
Stop posting about tonguehurt. She's not a radfem and she's not interesting.
This is the worst thread on this site lmao
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This is wh0remaxxer/gobleeena with her fiancé
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>This is the essence of radtwt in one single exchange.
Men don't care about women who don't care about them but fuck them anyways. They just call that a slut or a thot, and use women like that as a cheap talking point for why we "can't be trusted" with autonomy. They might narc rage a little, but it's because their ego was bruised, not because they care about you at all.
Also, "potentially hurting men's feelings" and "sex with a man (notoriously diseased and inept lovers)" aren't worthwhile rewards for the risks provided by having sex with even one man, let alone several. It increases your rate of STDs, UTIs, infection, tissue tearing, IPV, sexual assault, rape, stalking, and unwanted pregnancy drastically.
Do you people have broken clits or something? Why would you ever be reliant on men for orgasms? It's embarrassing.
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>least delusional radfem
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Meghan Murphy has gone full trad
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sage for no real milk, So Julie Bindel and Kathleen Stock recently founded this organisation, called the Lesbian Project, which is for lesbian rights and visibility, which is well and good but its odd pairing, Kathleen Stock is a very standard liberal (who is fine with true trans being allowed in women's bathrooms,) and she is also very into motherhood aspects in her feminism as she has two sons and Julie Bindle is Julie Bindle, she's childfree, anti-troon and anti-men to the core, quite a strange partnership. https://www.thelesbianproject.co.uk/people
>>1885268>sites one fucking video that has a non-security camera feed
Please tell me you're joking
Do you not realize some careers that include weapons training also include training on continuing to use said weapon after being pepper sprayed? Sure the average person can't do shit, but to say it's better than a gun? Brain dead take
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>Radical feminism is when spouting unironic eugenic rhetoric
She's right kek
How is men controlling who women should partner with = OK but women doing it = eugenic rhetoric? Use your brain for a second anon.
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This is honestly very depressing to see from Lilith, cause she's never been either slightly conservative or a tankie, she's always been a proud lesbian feminist who wasn't too focused on the troon issue, but for her to admit this is just so disappointing.
I get shit for saying the TERF
-to-tradthot pipeline remains undefeated, and yet…
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Old milk I guess because it happened last year, but there was this radfem on twitter called Ani O'Brien who was popular. She was all about being a lesbian and calling out TRA lesbophobia. However, her goodreads account showed that she was very fond of reading m/f smut stories with shirtless male models on the covers, often but not always with mafia, gang, and harem themes. She was reading an absurd amount of these books, at least one a day or sometimes even two or three in a day, just a barrage of heterosexual erotica. I only remember seeing her rate maybe two or three lesbian erotic stories, and one of them was about a woman having an affair with her husband's sister. So her twitter would have posts about being a lesbian and being against the cotton ceiling while her public goodreads account with her name and picture had book after book of incestuous bdsm het porn. She was leaving reviews on some of the books too, I remember her complaining about how one book she read had gender identities and how ridiculous that is in a mafia setting or something. So it wasn't even like she had her kindle linked to her goodreads account and she didn't realise it was posting every book she read, for some reason she decided to post about reading all this smut using the same name and pic as her radfem account.
Anyway, she ended up changing her goodreads name to Victoria Lyon and coming out as bi on goodreads. And she seems to have since changed her goodreads name to Victoria Arrow. She also has apparently written her own lesbian mafia story, it looks extremely cheesy though. Not sure if she's still leslarping on twitter, I don't use it much these days.
>>1888137>>1888540>She believed that men should be the protectors
don't 100% agree with that>that only women should be allowed near children
true>trying to erase gender is a stupid and pointless concept due to the massive biological differences between men and women.
true>argued that feminism focuses too much on middle-class Western women
true>she believed that feminists' opinion of patriarchy is ahistorical and a boogeyman they make up (to her credit, she acknowledged its existence but disagreed with radical feminists perspective on it).
so 4/5 correct takes.
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I belive anything that is related to 'radical politics', whether it's the right or the left will inherently attract individuals who are a bit 'unhinged' and are desperate for some sort of group to belong too. Cause most people don't care about wider politics as long as their basic needs are being met. A good example of this desire for identity and a minor personal cow of mine is Miriam Ben-Shalom. She's literally Walter from the Big Lebowski, was from a German American Catholic family, married a Jewish man, converted to Judaism and then made being Jewish almost her entire personality. She even abandoned her husband and daughter to go to Israel and join the military, where she served in the Israeli Army as a driver during the War of Attrition. When she returned to the United States, she got a divorce from her husband (for obvious reasons) and went to university and It was there that she 'discovered' she was a lesbian. She then joined the US army and spent her career for camping for gays in the Us military and Zionism
>>1889992>Cause most people don't care about wider politics as long as their basic needs are being met.
this is literal anti-feminist logic which is always existed even before women had any of the hard won rights they do now, except before the flavor skewed towards: "feminists are troublemakers looks to rock the boat while I struggle to keep myself motivated as as I'm doing 90% of chores, all the cooking, cleaning and childcare in lieu of paid work! my moid mistreats me because I literally cannot leave him without becoming destitute. unfortunately there aren't any workable alternatives to my unedified self than this"
"feminists aims are a pipe dream, having coerced or for sex in marriage is inevitable and something you need to learn to cope with as women always have instead of shamefully bringing thus subject to the courts. that impropriety is worse than quietly enduring rape in mistreatment all your life."
"young women in showbiz are routinely assaulted, abused and worse and have no recourse but that's what you get for wanting to be in showbiz instead of being a household slave like so many others! Men are almost never punished for these incidents but they are incredibly shameful for women to be exposed as victims
of. women are essentially wh**s and sluts for being victims
of male predation & abuse."
anti-feminists have no freaking idea what activists are actually doing or have done. without feminist activism you would lack a lot of rights you take for granted right now. It's cool that you don't give a fucking shit about your rights or making your life better or having legal protections, but If more people did give a fuck about the law and what women deal with this world wouldn't be such as big of a hellscape.
I know the people on here are trolls and drama addicts but
Stock is an individual person and not representative of an entire group as I'm sure you all know.
If she entertains regressive ideas that's not really something that leftist lesbians are radical feminists have anything to do with. There's a lot of conservatives GC types in the UK. and I feel like a lot of you have a tendency to twist and misinterpret/misremember what people say because this is a shitty site and not like some reputable publication that is asking you to fact check what you're saying so there's nothing here that is trustworthy, anyway.
Stock has contributed a lot of good writing to the whole stupid trans debate. anything outside of that is irrelevant to me.
Holy shit. I haven't been in this thread for months and it has devolved in handmaidens and troons shitting on women. We have the traditional posie is a nazi, lesbians are awful and disgusting perverted incel troons are better than certain women… >>1890046
Bless you nonnie
for still wanting to spout facts in this heap of autism
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menalez is such a retard i would not be surprised in the slightest if she is the one posting all of these screencaps that suspiciously come from her blog and are suspiciously about people she has vendettas against (bihet meanie, macroclit, etc).
also, screencap of her defending prostitution recently
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I posted this already in another thread but it fits here as well, I really hate to admit that I agree with picrel, it's half-right. For the majority of women, spiritualism (any and all of it) is basically the pipeline for trad-shit. Like radical feminism, came from Marxism, it is a scientific analysis which sets it apart and allows it to exist. Spiritual woo-woo, on the other hand, is focused on base emotions and an imagined utopia. I swear I have seen this in real-time. Spiritualism leads to goddess worship, which leads to Mary worship, which goes to Christianity.
>>1889992>I belive anything that is related to 'radical politics', whether it's the right or the left will inherently attract individuals who are a bit 'unhinged' and are desperate for some sort of group to belong too.
you're right, people who get into radical politics are usually attracted to extremism in general and not actual significance/theory behind whatever they are currently into. you get people who quickly go from being really into radical feminism to really into extreme trad christian right wing shit because the politics ultimately mean very little to them and they have no consistent core beliefs. they probably like thinking they're edgy and esoteric as well.
also your personal cow sounds hilarious kek
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Here's my take, as someone who has a history with these 'radicals' when I was in university, there are two broad groups of these types. One group consists of mostly upper middle class, left-leaning college kids with unrealistic ideals of attempting to overthrow the government, but accomplishing little more than being a nuisance at their most effective. The other group are what are termed 'political thugs'- glorified gangsters who just add an ideology to their looting and assaults.
I believe the culmination of the former was the weather underground, their ranks included anarchists, ideological third-worldists and women who were often (although not always) connected to the women's liberation scene. Almost all of them came from wealthy backgrounds and unsurprisingly, very few of them faced imprisonment or harm from the government. Their "great revoloution" against the United States spanned a decade of bombings. Law enforcement mockingly referred to them as the "toilet cloggers" due to their tactics to blow up bathrooms in government buildings. and their most devastating bombing occurred when they accidentally obliterated one of their own safe houses. Some members lived in hiding for years before eventually surrendering, only to be shocked by the lenient punishment they received. Law enforcement simply didn't consider them worthy of prosecution. almost all are still alive and remain wealthy to this day.
There was also a rather funny moment when Robin Morgan actually reconsidered most of her views when she met one of her old friends who was part of the weather underground, and where they called her infant song a "white pig" because they were convinced that white babies are a symbol of global white supremacy, they also ate all her food and stole some of her money and left without saying anything and she realized this was just lameand they were really harming themselves and feminism should never try to be like this.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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sage for OT, but I absolutely adore Julie Bindel, tons of her 'articles' is just stuff that annoys her a little.
There are extremes to two sides, even in the hard facts and logic camp. Like, Radical feminism is derived from Marxist theory, with the fundamental aspect of viewing women as the oppressed class and men as the oppressor class, and the need for revolution. Marxist socialism, whether one likes it or not, has its highly modern inner logic. The problem is that it gets stuck up in its ass and leads to endless 'intellectual' debates over theory to the point of redundancy and overanalyzing everything. So It doesn't have mass appeal to anyone, so for common people, a form of national and spiritual socialism takes over (that's what happened with the Soviet Union and much of the eastern block). That doesn't rely on facts and logic, just emotions, and you get weird conclusions of ancient Mongolia being an ideal communist state and how it's Russia's responsibility to turn the entire world into Mongolia. The same happened with feminism; it got too theory-obsessed and so those who believed in ancient magic and rituals started gaining ground(Z Budapest and Ruth Barrett are two classic examples and Adelaide Meadow and Serendipity Day are two more recent nutcases), cause it gave women something grander to believe in. and spiritualists can easily fall into trad trap, cause the divine mother goddesses lives on as Mary, so you can go to Church with your boyfriend and not feel bad about it.
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I don't think I'm necessarily making any groundbreaking statements. It's just that hindsight is 20/20, along with the principle of Occam's razor. Political groups that have the broadest appeal and are the most stable and conscientious usually end up with the ability to bring about the most change. That said even feminists in that era such as Jo Freeman and Phyllis Schlafly pointed this out and It wasn't as bad as with communist groups, but feminist groups had a habit of splitting apart due to ideological and personal differences. Take, for example, the National Organization for Women, which had nearly 3 million members at its peak (a potentially incredibly powerful voting bloc), yet they constantly splintered into separate groups.
>The Women's Equity Action League (WEAL) - was created in response to concerns that NOW was not adequately addressing issues of racial and economic inequality within the feminist movement. >The Feminist Majority Foundation (FMF) - was created by Eleanor Smeal in 1987, who had previously served as the president of NOW. It founded as a result of Smeal's growing unpopularity with in the NWO cause of how frequently she would take the presidency, so she created an organisation which essentially had the same goals and Ideas as the NWO just with her in-charge. >Radical Women - splintered in 1967, It was a socialist feminist organization that separated from NOW.(and it would have a majors split off between its socialist and radical feminist factions).>The National Women's Political Caucus (NWPC) - founded in 1971 as a bipartisan organization to recruit, train, and support women for elected and appointed office positions. Its goal was to have feminists work closer with the democratic and republican parties.
And there were tons of other groups who had their own splintering. Again, this wasn't unique to feminists, it was just something that plagued the new left since the end of WW2. For example, in Rita Mae Brown's(who was a bit of a cow herself, basically a polilez who didn't believe homosexuality existed and admitted to sleeping with her male cousin cause she was horny) autobiography, she talked about the downfall of the Furies collective (a radical lesbian feminist collective) because two of the members had a break-up and didn't want to see each other again. As a result, one side of the party supported one while the others supported the other, and the whole movement fell apart.
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What I want to know is why so many left leaning radicalfeminists seem to be utterly blind to communist/Russian/Chinese propaganda. For instance, Kajsa Ekman wrote an excellent book regarding the state of prostitution and how it functions in Europe, but at the same time, she retweets and posts literal Russian propaganda and thinks Putin is justified in invading Ukraine. How does this even work mentally? How can you brilliantly see misogyny one way but can be utterly blind in other ways.
I've wondered the same thing for years. My personal guess when it comes to varieties of leftists and radical feminists being so gullible to tankie (retarded term but for lack of a better word regarding Russia/China/DPRK ideologies) propaganda is mostly by wanting to be anti-US/NATO and anti-imperialism so bad they go full circle and find a new, different imperialism that's good because it's not the US. It can call itself communist despite having none of the actual characteristics legitimate socialism or communism would have, as long as it puts on the red paint and says death to America, it's good to them by way of being contrarian. It's no use trying to make them listen to women who have actually grown up in these countries (whether 20 or 60 years ago). Even if they make women and gay people face the wall or just throw them from buildings, even if ethnic minorities get genocided and personal freedoms made nonexistent, that's just collateral damage next to the righteous cause of being anti-US at all costs.
I get the need to be radical, but it often leads to seeing the world in terms of dichotomy, good and evil, and this need to be contrarian no matter what, as if sides that oppose can't both be shit.
I think it's closer to what >>1890558
mentioned. People who believe in absolutes are more likely to fall into these absurd conclusions just because it's against the current status quo. most people don't know that many of the Nazi party members were former communists and socialists, who hated the liberal capitalist status-quo, modern tankies have the same mentality.
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so this is what ovarit updoots these days. it's like the only women left there at this point would have been part of some far-right christian soccer mommy "family values" anti-gay group in the early 2000s.
it seems like every reddit offshoot quickly descends into a circlejerk of the most psychotically anti-social members of that community. it also happened to that weird chapo traphouse offshoot site that was exclusively populated by unhinged trannies.
It doesn't contradict feminism directly, but it's hypocritical when "feminists" have any kind of right wing views (yes, this includes hating homeless people. And what about homeless women?)
How are you going to say, as a feminist, women are vulnerable and should be protected etc. but shit on other
people who are vulnerable?
do you really think they don't privately think the same about poor and homeless women? that post could have been written by any insufferable bay area rapist eugenicist tech moid. it shows a complete disinterest in any notion of emancipatory politics, including feminism.
it's also just flat out wrong right wing propaganda. there's a gazillion pilot projects in nordic countries and elsewhere that have proven that providing people with (adequate) housing is an effective way to solve homelessness. turns out even mentally druggies don't enjoy sleeping on concrete. apart from that, pretending that the skyrocketing homelessness rate in many major US cities has nothing to do with the housing crisis is pants on head retarded.
do I enjoy being barraged by homeless weirdos? of course not. but everyone with a basic concept of structural politics can see that the homeless crisis exists because it's convenient to the powers that be and not because homeless people are inherently evil.
That's because modern radfems are alt-righters and traditionalists and alt-righters currently support Russia which is why there are radfems who currently support Russia too (despite the cruel depraved rape which the Russian soldiers were reported to be doing to Ukrainian children and families).
It's no coincidence that lately so many alt-right beliefs are starting to overlap with radfems.
Some women join the radfem community with good intentions and then they slowly get indoctrinated into tradthot thinking without even knowing it.
Remember this quote:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
nta and as a fellow "poc
" I don't think its right, this isn't identity politics or structure or whatever bs, race is a spectrum, its absurd to hate or like anyone based on their race, sex is real and it defines almost everything. both aren't the same thing.
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So what's the deal with WOLF(Women's Liberation Front)?
They came to light during Julia Beck's interview with Carlson(who also seems to have disappeared from the public after her interview on FOX and her speech with the hertiage Foundation, very convenient). Now, I assumed they were one group willing to work with conservatives on the trans issue and that's it. However, going through their site, 99% of their posts focus on are related to stuff Republicans support. I noticed this weird almost political angle of campaigning against Democratic politicians and also framing Republican laws as 'wins for women'. It's a little weird right.https://womensliberationfront.org/
>>1892565>aren't the same thing
Race has a real component to it too though. "race as a spectrum" only existed in recent times because humans allowed it to and it became acceptable to have kids with other "races" (miscegenation). Race is a made up concept but hair texture and skin color are not. Someone can not hide their race just as someone cannot hide their sexuality without pain and torture. The current system is binary in terms of sexuality which surprise surprise mostly only harms homosexuals "White passing" is as real as "straight passing".>>1891197>basically a polilez who didn't believe homosexuality existed
That quote outright says both homosexuality and heterosexuality exist but are extremes on the curve of the human population that are less common than bisexuality. Ignoring the part where heterosexuality is included is also convenient agenda setting.
Collaborating and appealing to trads who think women exist to be breeder fuckbots: a classic feminist move! kekTERF
-to-tradthot pipeline remains undefeated. I'll be shocked if all high profile """gender criticals""" aren't married+permapregnant stay at home mawwwmieez in a few years. Most are anyway.
I've only seen bits and pieces of what she's been up to, but yeah she's married to a military guy. I think he was also married to someone else when they met, and might have a kid from that marriage too? What a mess. I sincerely hope she beats the odds and doesn't end up as some kind of abuse victim
. Military/police moids are considered a no-go for a reason.
if you scroll back far enough through lesbiansdatingmen on tumblr you should be able to find receipts. but yes, opisaterf/terfectly is married to a military man (despite claiming to be super duper leftist and against the military) who used to be with her best friend.
she was out as a lesbian, then one day she started posting about how she hooked up with her best friend's partner. she avoided using pronouns, so at first people thought she meant her friend's wife. but eventually she came clean and admitted it was her friend's husband, but she was still totalllllly a kinsey 5.9 (kek, I seriously doubt she's even been with a woman considering she used to flip flop between saying she'd fucked women and saying she'd only kissed them).
her and the guy broke up and she broadcast the details all over tumblr for some reason, but they got back together and now they're married with a baby.
also I can't post a pic unfortunately because she's made her instagram private unfortunately, but the moid she dropped the lesbian act for is ugly af. lanky, scrawny, no chin, literally like the virgin from the chad vs virgin meme irl except with light hair and no glasses. it's never a good looking man that makes them reconsider the lesbian larp. for some reason it's always the most hideous creature you've ever seen.
The problems have only continued to pile up since then, too. Being a military wife has taken a toll on her already limited mental capabilities. I can't remember the exacts, but I believe the list of things she's done relating to that include:>Bragged about how well-off she is as a result of her husband's involvement in the military>Implied that radblr users who are critical of the US military (and therefore critical of her and her beloved Cody) are just jealous of how well-off she is>Said that being anti-war and anti-military was stupid because "the military has always existed and will always exist, and that's a good thing because people need protection">Claimed the US military hasn't done anything particularly bad aside from "acting like other countries' dad">Made various offensive jokes about Japan (where her husband had primarily been deployed), including jokes about the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
There's probably more, but I never followed her or anyone who followed her, and I'm no longer on radblr, so I only have bits and pieces of information shared with me by friends who are still radblr users and have a greater capacity for being a true hater than I do. Less important than the insane polilez to bisexual military tradwife stuff are things like how often she posts about her baby's poop, and her participation in the collective bihet nuclear meltdowns any time conversations about separatism or lesbophobia by radblr users come up. I'm not really sure why she hasn't been completely torn apart and run off radblr a la macroclit, but I assume it might have to do with how often her account gets termed and remade. There are a few really annoying and shitty users on radblr who seemingly coast by with clean slates simply by deleting and remaking their accounts, so I wouldn't be surprised if repeated remaking were the only thing keeping her from being condemned. It's ironic, though, since I've seen speculation that she's only getting termed more often than other radblr users because someone else in the community has such a vendetta against her that she mass-reports her every time she makes a new account. That would mean that it's possible that the only thing keeping her from being called out and run off of radblr are the vendetta-fueled actions of someone who probably wants her to be called out and run off of radblr more than anybody else.
Wow, that's crazy. I always thought she was extremely cringeworthy with her military nigelposting, but knowing she used to pretend to be a lesbian and FUCKED HER BEST FRIEND'S ugly military moid is making me scream. Why does half of radblr suck her toes 24/7? Perhaps they identify with her cognitive dissonance of claiming to hate men while procreating with and gushing about one that participates in the foremost mechanism of male violence?>>1893435
Tori seemed legitimately confused, traumatized, and sort of low-IQ (in the kindest way possible) so I can't bring myself to hate her. But militaryspawnmama or whatever… I could a-log her if i was a woman of weaker will.
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what is she even trying to say here?
It's because they aren't actually radfems, they're just women with not much in terms of personality who try to compensate for that fact by LARPing who have gotten comfortable with the "tumblr radfem" brand they made for themselves when they were labeled as "TERFs" while they were LUGs with "transphobic" opinions.
Btw, if anyone's curious how blatant the LARP is: Terfectly used to talk about how she found pregnant and breastfeeding mothers to be so disgusting that the sight of them made her feel like puking, and now she's a glorified mommyblogger who posts about how having a baby is "a beautiful, life-changing experience that gave her more insight," that people who don't have kids "don't know anything about the world," and about how stinky her "beautiful" baby's shit is. IIRC bihet-meanie is another "mean lesbian to proudly fucking a military Nigel" type, and she literally said "I played up the mean lesbian character" after she "discovered" she was OSA "for the first time" by falling back in love with a guy she dated before she went through her LUG era.>>1894483
Honestly I think she's just saying shit, and maybe trying to be a contrarian. If there was a point here, it either failed to land, or is simply too stupid for us to comprehend.
>>1894618>lots of lesbian feminists were formerly with men
Aren't Sheila Jeffreys and Angela Wild political lesbians, tho? That is, not homosexual at all. I've seen Angela Wild saying herself on Twitter that "born this way" is not true for everyone, and that she "chose to be a lesbian". Not just extremely homophobic but also very cult-like, as if she were trying to convert het/bi women to lesbianism.
I'm a homosexual woman and there's nothing political about it, no matter how much a woman hates men. Or you're exclusively same-sex attracted or you're not a lesbian.
Lesbophobic types like Angela Wild are the main reason I left most radfem spaces, sigh.
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another mean lesbian to bihet who's still popular on radblr is ignis-divine-eleison. she swore she was a gold star lesbian for years (if you looked far enough back in her archive she'd posted about how the only reason she didn't have sex with her boyfriend in school despite being a "nymphomaniac" and asking him to have sex with her was that he said no).
she went on hiatus for a while. then when she came back, she made a post which she began by begging people not to send her death threats and then said she was bisexual. she said that she had crushes on 3 different guys at once and that she'd had a boyfriend for a few months. by the end of the week she was asking her followers for opinions on whether she should peg her boyfriend or not.
someone sent her an anon wondering if she had a strong preference for men now, and she responded by saying no, and that she'd had one boyfriend (untrue) and 13 gfs. she had just turned 22, so if true she would have been going through girlfriends rapidly. as if it's a flex and not a further sign of mental instability to have had so many failed relationships at such a young age.
a blog called stupendousrunawayking popped up and seemed to know some things about the school ignis went to and claimed that she was known to have dated boys in school, contrary to her claim that she'd always thought she was 100% gay and was an out lesbian in school. the blog posted a group pic allegedly from their school days with someone that looked very like ignis as proof she knew ignis irl. it was grainy and low quality, plus the person who might have been ignis had her eyes closed and part of her face wasn't visible because someone standing in front of her was blocking it. so it could have just been someone who looks like her. I doubt anyone is so obsessed with proving ignis dated boys in school that they'd bother searching for a picture of someone who looks like her in a school setting to post on a tumblr blog where it will maybe get 10 notes though.
also some minor drama that's a little funny, ignis used to lust over fictional male characters like link from zelda when she was in menalez' (a fellow bi that swears she's gay for radblr clout, along with claiming to be part black and from a communist far leftist family when her family literally have a maid and live in a big luxurious house kek) discord server. an anon thought that this was evidence of ignis being bisexual (this was before she came out as bi) and menalez swooped to her defence and acted like it was ridiculous to think ignis was bisexual because she found fictional men attractive. just a couple of months later, ignis came out as bi, so her crushes on fictional men were a sign of her bisexuality after all.
there is a difference between me and someone dumb enough to marry a military moid, actually. not all women are as stupid and hapless as you.
this is like when tumblr rads abloobloo about tradwives getting made fun of for their awful life choices. "but they're victiiims tricked by the patriarchyyy" yeah we all are, but most of us don't campaign against our own rights for the approval of moids who think we're fuck-appliances
My theory is that they have constructed an exaggerated and unhistorical view of patriarchy (which is already awful, so you don't need to make shit up to make it seem worse, especially with easily disprovable facts) to such a degree that they that when they encounter someone who doesn't fit into their distorted perspective(such as a good understanding Christian man), their worldview is shattered, and they begin to question everything they have ever believed in, including perhaps whether feminism was wrong. This mindset can be interpreted in various ways, but due to their developed ego and the bubble they have lived in, when that bubble bursts, it allows them to manipulated.
I was reading this book called Family Values:Two Moms and Their Son, which I read because I heard it was an excellent insight regarding lesbian parenting in the 90s. In the book, the authors mention that almost all the lesbians she knew who used sperm donors, whether it was from a clinic or using a turkey baster, would end up having sons. It was rare to find a girl born in a lesbian group, and it was hard for the more separatist lesbians to accept. Many had very idealized fantasies about living in female-only communes (despite all of them being city people) and having only daughters. But when they had sons, they couldn't give them up, so they just stop going to feminist activities because they felt ashamed. and It seemed so pointless. If they lived in reality and thought critically for a moment, none of this would have happened. >With regular conception, I will have a 50/50 chance of having either a boy or a girl, and it's scientifically proven that artificial insemination heavily favors the Y chromosome. So if I wish for a daughter, I should most likely avoid it since there are no guarantees, and I could not have a child, or I could always adopt a girl as well
but they had an idealised fantasy that statistically had a lesser chance of happening and when it didn't happen, it seemed to destroy the identity they had created and so they "gave up" on those feminist identities.
The average "good Christian man" is a porn addict who thinks women were put on the Earth to service him. It's the premise of his religion kek
Sex can be detected as early as 10 weeks. Instead of shamefully abandoning feminism to be a boymom, just abort the little parasite.
>>1895256>It's the premise of his religion kek
see this is what I mean, I'm not a Christian and I think all religions should be banned by the state or under its control but I am aware that's not how Christianity works or even its premise(like I don't understand where your getting this from), to truly demystify yourself from faith you don't have to make shit up or even demonise it, just objectively view its history, even Janice Raymond(I suggest you read some of her works) talked about this
I was using Christianity as an example, the same premise works with Muslims, Nazis, Communists and anyone mild of extreme ends of the political spectrum.
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well it happened, much of radtwt turned against Kathleen Stock after a post/article she made about how women telling women to avoid situations from assault isn’t victim-blaming.
It feels like they hear "feminist suggestions on how to reduce the risk of being abused/raped" as "unwanted advice from misogynists about how the abuse/rape you already went through is your fault." Do they think self-defense classes are victim
more women need to get fucking strapped. the goal of self defense is protection of your life, because anything could happen at any time. if you're a radfem it should be like a rite of passage to get some self defense weapons and watch some self defense videos/classes when you learn about the depths of patriarchy and femicides. even better to buy self defense weapons for other women in need. it's like making a conscious choice of not putting a seat belt on when driving after hearing how often car accidents happen.
male culture basically pushes self defense weapons on them, it's more odd to see a man who doesn't have a slight interest in different types of guns and knives in some way.
This is absolutely victim
blaming. Why is a "feminist" putting the onus on women to avoid getting raped–which boils down to being in a constant state of prey-like hypervigilance and results in her curtailing her own personal freedoms–when the problem is men and boys? She's responding to a case where seven men got together and decided to gang rape some poor girl. Why is the conversation always about how women should have to modify our normal behavior, and not about how men should have to modify theirs? Half the population must live in constant fear, but we can't even suggest male curfews or anything of the like? We just have to live under the thumb of male violence forever, so sayeth a "radical feminist"?
Though I doubt this hettie bettie polilez boymom would take kindly to her spawn being told to do anything for the sake of women. Not muh suhhnz!>>1895601
The "feminist suggestion" is literally misogynist rhetoric. Every restriction put on women and girls be it limiting our education or forcing hijabs and requiring male guardians to go outside are based entirely on the premise of "protecting" us. If you read her article, Stock is coming to the defense of the spouse of Giorgia Meloni, the fascist Italian PM. I'm shocked supposed radfems are falling for trad rhetoric so easily. Well, considering how much they suck off Matt Walsh and the like, not really kek
It's sad to see radical feminism become a rightwing movement, but there's no salvaging it now.
dude you can "suggest male curfews" and say kill all men til the cows come home but how exactly is that going to change literally anything about the cultural/social/legal context we have to move through (because this is reality)? we live here and now in a world populated 50~% by moids, most of whom are actively hostile towards us on the ground level, and who primarily make up the formal systems that enable their hostility. slowly, over the course of many decades, more women are breaking into those systems, but only a fraction of those women are willing to mobilise to protect us from men as a whole. what do you actually want here? how will a thinkpiece on how scrotoids should have extremely restricted freedom because they are the perpetrators of violence and rape actually change anything? every women has fantasized about scrote curfews at some point, and they still dont and have never existed.
the most immediate thing a woman can do is raise awareness/educate younger or less experienced women about how to avoid or be prepared in places and situations where the danger men posit is higher. our reality is that we have to protect ourselves and informally protect each other from male violence, because societal structures sure wont, and good fucking luck revolutionising those in less than 50 years. its not about us HAVING to live under the thumb of male violence, its the reality that we DO, and WILL CONTINUE TO (unless some militant radfem group magically forms that culls all males in positions of power) live under that thumb.
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Saying you find neet women hot at tumblr dot com makes you a predatory rapist and if you are the neet woman who likes these posts you are an idiot moron who should accept radical feminists as your personal saviors because obviously you are a brain damaged moron child who doesn't know what's best for her! Like all other women!
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I wonder how the second-wavers of the past who are still alive today, feel knowing that picrel are the type of mentally unhinged weirdos who call themselves radfems nowadays.
Gloria Steinem wasn't some high-IQ CIA-trained spook, her work was sponsored by them along with 100 hundred groups. She was just used to disavow feminists from joining the communist because that's the one the CIA put above all else. Fascists, Islamists, and retarded pseudo-intellectuals were all supported in hopes that the Communists wouldn't gain any influence. The world we live in now is a result of those policies.
Also If you look into the history, second feminism literally failed because it was filled with random split-offs due to identity politics, see >>1891197
>>1895808>the most immediate thing a woman can do is raise awareness/educate younger or less experienced women about how to avoid or be prepared in places and situations where the danger men posit is higher.
You've already conceded the ground to men that women who aren't "careful" enough and try to live full lives are in some sense complicit in their own rapes. It's a useless conversation. Should women not pursue male-dominated STEM fields so we don't get raped? Scurry home like rats as the sun goes down? Why is putting restrictions of men not even a consideration, but all women and girls must live in constant fear a given? Men didn't want to give women the vote, birth control/abortion access or the ability to have bank accounts either, but we still got these rights through constant effort. So why is there no enthusiasm for any kind of advocacy in this sense? Probably because the "welp men will rape, just live with it" radfems are creepy boymoms who balk at the thought of their suhhhnz being restricted the same way they want to restrict girls?>>1895899
Why is attempting to limit men's freedom the same way they want to limit ours never a consideration?>>1895814
"Protect ourselves" how? This is the tradtard antifeminist argument at its core–women should live crippled, isolated lives for our own protection, and any who try to break out of the private sphere should've known better. This is the exact thing religious nuts tell women and girls to do.
Learning self defense is a good thing, but the actual problem(men) is not being addresses. Most rapes are committed by someone the victim
knows and trusts, if she shoots/stabs/beats him up, she gets hauled off to jail.
oh that's have-a-hygge. formerly known as havekat. is also the same person as rad-bad-and-dangerous-to-know but she tries to stay low-key about it bc she tries to sell to troons on her art account.
and yes she is just as much of a cow as kelly is kek. iirc the incident that led to her being called out as a scammer was her getting mad about someone drawing a pair of beetles with a caption about the beauty of gay love, people telling her she was being ridiculous for freaking out over it just bc she personally finds bugs ugly, and then tried to spin op as a fascist for drawing "cockroaches" bc they were a symbol of the rwandan genocide. but her painting flowers that were used as a symbol by the nazis is totallyyyyyy different somehow.
she's also a big race faker. she claimed on the rad-bad account to be a brown middle eastern woman, but her "middle eastern" heritage is just her having one ashkenazi jewish parent. and on the havekat account she had pictures up where you can see she is as pale as milk
Guns are an option, but the sure thing to defend yourself. If you're in burgerland and access to gun purchasing is as easy as a background check, go for it, because it's that easy for any man (especially ones who haven't been caught doing degenerate shit) around you too.
But everywhere else; knives, mace, tasers. Learn types of throws, grab releases, flexibility stretches. >>1896189>Woman defends her life>Hauled off to jail
And I hate the government for that. I thankfully live in a place where you're better off killing the attacker/rapist/intruder because they have no legalities to sue you back for any retarded reason they could come up with.
Also>Women should live crippled isolated lives
What the actual fuck is your reading comprehension? I go out into the fucking woods by myself at any time of the day I want and you know what makes me feel safer about it? My self protection. The loaded gun, knife, and mace I keep in my bag that I take with me. Even without the gun, the mace and knife were great investments that take away the anxiety of being out by myself, because my life is worth it and not wasting away my life cooped up in my house. And when you purchase any of that shit, obviously learn how to use them. It literally takes like 30 minutes every month (or as short or as long as you want it) to do any kind of refresher for self defense. My life isn't sucked into self defense 24/7. This reply glows tbh.
Do you people think that women's rights were attained by women explaining why oppression is bad to men, Steven Universe style? The Suffragettes striked from housework and committed acts of terrorism. Men still don't view us as human, we only got our rights because the obstinate disobedience of feminists of the past combined with societal needs that arose during major world conflicts (WWI and WWII) made the extent of female oppression at the time less advantageous for the ruling class than giving women some rights was. Men still don't view us as human, and our rights are constantly under threat. If you want to live in your fantasy world where all you need to do to stop the oppression and abuse of women by men is to convince the male-run governments to actually
punish men for misogynistic violence by informing them that you, a woman, don't like being raped and think that men should be punished for it, I can't stop you, but I'll kindly ask you to go be stupid somewhere else. It's not fair that we have to protect ourselves and do all the heavy lifting for our rights and safety when men are the ones responsible for the totality of our oppression and the vast majority of the abuse we face, but if we were living in a fair or logical world, we wouldn't be oppressed in the first place.
Also Jo Brew, she's the head of Women’s Declaration International(the largest radfem organisation currently running) and is a political lesbian who still lives with her husband and their kids.(I don't know how that works personally)
these are women who dress like what they think lesbians are like but don't even have sex with other women.
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why are you posting her in this thread and not the detrans thread?
adherence to trans ideology is correlated with authoritarian personality. it's not surprising that the same idiots who thought they had to take testosterone to wear shorts make a 180 and become infantilized bimbo breeding sows to ugly older men when they revert to being women again. she's still performing gender, just the opposite of what she was doing before.
anyway, hoping for a miscarriage!
also>I'll kindly ask you to go be stupid somewhere else
you don't own the thread. why not bring your infighting to /2X/ if you don't have any milk.
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Jen Izaakson thoughts on seperaitism
Women can build stuff just as well as moids can if they are educated and trained to do it. In Australia for instance they started showing girls how to change tyres and the oil in their cars and such, instead of relying on a man to do it, and all of the girls picked it up easily.
Most moids in the west will never build a house or do manual labor in their entire lives and even those who do mostly do it by machinery now to the point it requires quite little effort and even short old fat guys with heart conditions can do it, please stop crediting all moids as the mythical ‘builder’ or ‘architect race’.
Also male sexual selection practically revolves around pedophilic criteria (most men prefer women shorter than them, weaker than them, younger than them, less intelligent than them, more agreeable and dependent than them, more neotenous looking etc) no shit when moidmonkeys have been selecting women to be weak small fragile passive and helpless and using rape and kidnapping as a procreation tactic, that alters the human body and female genetics/psychology and affects their role in society. >nooooo we need to share space with the gender that commits 97% of violent crime because…we just do okay!
>>1897190>Also male sexual selection practically revolves around pedophilic criteria (most men prefer women shorter than them, weaker than them, younger than them, less intelligent than them, more agreeable and dependent than them, more neotenous looking etc)
I understand disliking men, but this is one of the most retarded, and I mean extremely retarded, arguments from radical feminists. Height and build are influenced by both sets of parents. For instance, tall, strong men with short wives are likely to have short sons. Similarly, a tall woman is more likely to have tall sons. These factors affect both sexes. Additionally, it is worth noting that most cavemen had no understanding of inherited genetic traits, and many people today still lack this knowledge. I mean, if you want to see what happens when artificially selecting for neotenous features does to a people, look at many East Asians. For example, that is where it did happen, and the men developed neotenous features as well.
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The more I read about second-wave radical feminist, the more I'm convinced that almost all of them would have been massive lolcows if they were active today.
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and this is the author Robin Morgan, a self declared lesbian radical feminist(who still identified as a lesbian till the 2000's) doing the well known lesbian practice, of having sex with men.
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I kind of resent this thread for making me aware of all the unsavory parts of second wave feminism.
Back on topic, have you ever read Trashing by Jo Freeman? '60s radblr and radtwt would have been wild.https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htm
What is "trashing," this colloquial term that expresses so much, yet explains so little? It is not disagreement; it is not conflict; it is not opposition. These are perfectly ordinary phenomena which, when engaged in mutually, honestly, and not excessively, are necessary to keep an organism or organization healthy and active. Trashing is a particularly vicious form of character assassination which amounts to psychological rape. It is manipulative, dishonest, and excessive. It is occasionally disguised by the rhetoric of honest conflict, or covered up by denying that any disapproval exists at all. But it is not done to expose disagreements or resolve differences. It is done to disparage and destroy.
The means vary. Trashing can be done privately or in a group situation; to one's face or behind one's back; through ostracism or open denunciation. The trasher may give you false reports of what (horrible things) others think of you; tell your friends false stories of what you think of them; interpret whatever you say or do in the most negative light; project unrealistic expectations on you so that when you fail to meet them, you become a "legitimate" target for anger; deny your perceptions of reality; or pretend you don't exist at all. Trashing may even be thinly veiled by the newest group techniques of criticism/self-criticism, mediation, and therapy. Whatever methods are used, trashing involves a violation of one's integrity, a declaration of one's worthlessness, and an impugning of one's motives In effect, what is attacked is not one's actions, or one's ideas, but one's self.
This attack is accomplished by making you feel that your very existence is inimical to the Movement and that nothing can change this short of ceasing to exist. These feelings are reinforced when you are isolated from your friends as they become convinced that their association with-you is similarly inimical to the Movement and to themselves. Any support of you will taint them. Eventually all your colleagues join in a chorus of condemnation which cannot be silenced, and you are reduced to a mere parody of your previous self.
i think it's disingenuous to say that the only
reason anything was accomplished in that era was due to circumstance. parts of feminism succeeded because, just as there are lolcows/maniacs/morons in every generation and in every movement, there are also based women who focus on what matters. but my point was that there are good and bad aspects of every social movement, and the fact that there are "unsavory" parts of second-wave feminism doesn't diminish the value of what it did achieve.
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There's also this funny scene from the book (that's straight out of a comedy sketch) with her son Blake. she tried to turn him into a "male feminist prince". She also took him to interviews with feminist colleagues, where he would have to give statements about patriarchy when he was 12. Additionally, he wasn't allowed to watch TV or read comics. Also his biological father was gay and ran a magazine called "The Effeminist and he was well-known for having sex with young men and so even though