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This thread concerns creators, artists and others who work in the modern western American Animation Industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
Some of the big name cows currently in the industry:
>Rebecca Sugar: Creator of Steven Universe, Drew Ed, Edd n Eddy R34, self inserted her brother into the show, claims to be a queer woman despite having a long term heterosexual relationship for her entire adult life https://twitter.com/rebeccasugar
>Alex Hirsch: creator of Gravity falls, is dating Dana Terrace(who is the creator of Disney's The Owl House) where she also has her own self insert in the show, supported shipping of his self insert Dipper with his Lauren Faust self inserthttps://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch
>Noelle Stevenson: Creator of She-Ra reboot and the comics series Lumberjanes, is married to Molly Ostertag (who is also in the comics industry), came out as non-binary in 2019 and in 2020 chopped her tits off and came out as "Transmasculine" and "bigender"https://twitter.com/gingerhazing
>Julia Vickerman: Creator of 12 Forever, proving girls can do it too, and by It I mean your cousin, a NLOG who stalks teenage boys and tweets about how hot they are, was fired from her own show for mistreating and sexually harassing her co-workers, still active on Instagram though https://twitter.com/juliavickerman
Previous thread >>>/snow/1209930>Lauren Zuke >>1209948, >>1210112, >>1216331>Noelle Stevenson and Molly Ostertag's relationship >>1210070, >>1210087, >>1211786, >>1212203, >>1212749, >>1212790, >>1212880, >>1220623, >>1275977, >>1343596, >>1357674>Luke Weber is obsessed with Dana Terrace >>1209969, >>1209991, >>1209986, >>1323770>Tara Billinger and Zach Bellissimo >>1210000>Michel Ocelot stole ideas from a student >>1210023, >>1210144>Jake Goldman self-inserted into Powerpuff Girls and shipped himself with Blossom >>1210027, >>1211700, >>1216495>Julia Vickerman's pedophilia allegations >>1210013, >>1210054, >>1210056>Kent Williams preys on young students and has yellow fever >>1210077, >>1210089>Raye Rodriguez >>1210224, >>1316319>Justin Roiland's incest jokes >>1210568, >>1266147, >>1275262 and sexual allegations >>1210796, >>1227145, >>1280148, >>1281438>Rebecca Sugar's Ed, Edd and Eddy fanart >>1210792, >>1211752 and Steven Universe concrete design >>1210872>Noelle Stevenson gets in trouble for a farmer pun >>1211864, >>1212465>Michael Jelenic and Aaron Horvath >>1213703, >>1216090>Ducktales Reboot >>1213926, >>1232834>Deadendia is the Asperchu version of Steven Universe >>1213928, >>1213945, >>1213995>Art Babbitt >>1214203>Planet Panic >>1214524, >>1214741>Good western animated shows >>1214787, >>1214868, >>1224529>Dana Terrace >>1215181, >>1215329, >>1215532>Alex Hirsch >>1215316, >>1215349, >>1215608, >>1246330>Adam Ellis >>1215457, >>1218777>Angela Vondra (handsomehugs) >>1215581, >>1215711, >>1215788, >>1353006, >>1353015, >>1354677>J.G. Quintel >>1216211, >>1216236, >>1216344>Kate Leth >>1216664, >>1216677, >>1216681, >>1216683>Modern cartoons sperging >>1220887, >>1222730>Cartoon Network wants children shows to be for children >>1224393, >>1224521, >>1224550>Kelly Turnball >>1224503, >>1224652 >Lauren Faust is awesome >>1227206, >>1227247, >>1227378>Natasha Allegri >>1229987, >>1230876>Daron Nefcy >>1247329, >>1247492>Steven Universe >>1247904, >>1247919, >>1268029>Gross Girls >>1261796>Owl House >>1272272, >>1272332, >>1272405>Dan Harmon is a sexpest >>1282192, >>1283651>Amber and Shelby Cragg >>1305930, >>1309632, >>1357764>Jhonen Vasquez >>1309982, >>1310166, >>1310579, >>1313540>Noelle Stevenson's transition >>1209955, >>1310247>Vivienne Medrano >>1317330>Ken Penders >>1327047>Kyle A. Carrozza >>1352546, >>1352648>Nathan Heinze >>1352613
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nice choice for the thread pic and a salute for summarization
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Sometimes Noelle says things that make me think she is close to peaking, but then she double downs on her transmasc labelhttps://www.imfineimfine.com/p/name
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Another comic by Noelle. She explores her femininity and masculinity, then decides that transmasculine and bigender fit her best. https://www.imfineimfine.com/p/becoming
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this is so embarrassing, imagine hating women/yourself this much?? who fucking cares why a stranger read you as female??? why are you so concerned with what strangers think about you and why are you attaching so much meaning to being female?? the sexism just jumps out
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i get what anon means, it's the snout
ffs why can’t she realize you can be GNC and dress however you want WITHOUT having to chop off your tits or adopt dumb labels like “bigender” or “transmac”
Lesbians trooning out will never stop being sad to me
Because you can't just simply not apply labels to yourself if you don't believe in gender and just wear whatever you want whether you have tits or not because no one cares.. you have to physically destroy your body to adhere to society's view of gender, and then get pissed off and claim that society is forcing you into a box. s/
These people truly do create their own misery 90% of the time. I won't lie that society can be shitty sometimes, but they're just as obsessed with upholding gender roles as "transphobes" are.
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Since people are talking about Ang again I'll share >Drew underage incest porn in public as others mentioned https://archive.md/sHBs7 >If you scroll further in the archive only one guy points out it could be an uncomfortable wait for the people who see, claims she doesn't give a shit>Tried to make a public search post for a bird she sold 8 years ago https://archive.md/96fkq>Receives anon letting her know this is odd, immediately gets defensive saying anon never loved anything and how she's entitled to find a pet she doesn't own anymore https://archive.md/prrqt>Men should be allowed into lesbian spaces because troons https://archive.md/S2vC2>White knighting for Aggy, praising Puppy Milk for being queer, deeper and more powerful than Saw https://archive.md/lZZMB>Could be a reach but it rubbed me the wrong way. Wanting to tell stories for traumatized/abused children specifically https://archive.md/xXtHH
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Seems that Alex Hirsch and Dana finally broke it off. He tweeted asking if he should get a cat because he is living like a depressed ghoulish hermit and cannot take care of himself. The implication is that he is extremely alone. I can only the imagine the smell of his home. Unfortunately, he deleted the thread before I could cap it. Some people speculating about the breakup in there as well.
Bonus: He's interacting with random women cosplaying his shit on twitter since that's his type. Rebounding perhaps?
I love that you can tell inside job is shit bc animation twitter didnt lose their shit over it. It's so bland and uninventive, it looks like someone wanted to make rick and morty but about Rick's daughter, and the au came after.
Good for dana for breaking uo w him tho, truly hope she can find good pussy after being stuck with hirsch for so long
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Wait you're telling me that's supposed to be a cosplay of this character? lmao
it's a dumb joke because his artstyle resembles Luz from the owl house.
Stonetoss is pretty much blacklisted in the western animation industry.
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His pinned tweet is about Gravity Falls. That was the highlight of his life.
It’s pathetic how she’s just barely self-aware enough to admit gender stereotypes are bullshit but also needs them to fuel her insecure navel-gazing and can’t give up the act. I wanna feel bad for her, but she’s literally inventing problems for herself at this point.
Trooning out and obsessing over gender labels is how these people avoid engaging with their real issues. A lesbian who coincidentally feels the urge to become a man right after getting cucked into a poly relationship by her wife for a moid clearly has zero self-esteem. She just posted a comic about being bipolar, which makes me wonder if she’s backpedaling from going full FTM to some flavor of NB because the idea to cut off her tits was fueled by a manic episode and she secretly regrets it kek
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I think so… Maybe deep down she thinks that Molly still loves Jack or loved him more. Molly made a lot of lovey comic strips about their relationship and Noelle confessed to stalking her for a time >>1212795
. She might be channeling her jealousy of what they had in her gender fuckery.
It doesn't help that Molly rarely makes comics like >>1212248
about Noelle. Even the one that she made recently about cooking references a past love and how much it hurts that he left despite having someone that loves you unconditionally now: https://ostertag.substack.com/p/sketchbook-5d8
Pic related is a comic strip of when Molly and Jack went to Italy together.
All I've heard is that Arlene Klasky had a lot of pseudoscientific beliefs about raising kids, you know the usual hippie mom shit and the writers didn't necessarily agree with her views, in fact they outright mocked them and would put them in the show
These creative differences would eventually lead to the decline of quality in the show overall
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interesting milk i guess? i don’t know if it can be called milk since it’s decades old kek
but in my opinion saberspark has some of the most boring, middling takes on animation that i can’t stand his videos. i’m sure some of his videos are informative but i just find him extremely boring.
i also hate the whole idea of a show being “ruined”, i think a lot of people who aren’t into animation or only watch his kind of content watch these videos and parade them as the ONLY reason why a show was cancelled or use them as a “reason” as to why a show sucked (or, of course, was “ruined”). i don’t know if that makes sense, this is kind of a word vomit.
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i could be wrong. i can’t be assed to watch any of his videos at this point, maybe he's improved since then. but the whole idea that a show is “ruined” for a single reason is stupid and i think there’s a better way to go about these kinds of videos. like i don’t think disney channel and sony pictures animation is “ruined” by any stretch and i think cartoon network and nickelodeon were fine until they focused more on streaming (like literally all studios and networks have been doing).
i think these kinds of ideas lead to the boring lukewarm takes that “cartoons were SO much better in the 80s/90s/early 2000s” i already see that a lot in this thread so i think some people might not agree with my post, but there was a lot of good then, and a lot of good now, too. it’s just a matter of personal taste and actually bothering to look for good shows now. i’ve seen a lot of people praise arcane, but on the other side of the coin netflix has shit shows like big mouth and q force. doesn’t mean that netflix is necessarily “ruined.”
? what does the cancellation of TOH factor in them being together or not?
I mean i guess it's pretty awkward to voice direct your ex but aside from that.. unless you're suggesting that hirsch himself had a hand in the tanking of TOH, which is pretty tin-foily to me lol
i'm not the biggest fan of TOH, i find it had a basic cool concept but the need for Deep Lore and Meaning because of the success of shows like Steven Universe really ruined it (the whole Ida's curse is a metaphor for mental illness / disability was such a retarded episode), but Dana is an industry veteran and you can't deny her talent, suggesting that she got her show greenlit because she managed to hold her breath long enough to shag Hirsch is too shitty even for lolcow
If I could say anything about owl house it'd be that it's completely inoffensive. It's so by the book that you can't even laugh at how bad it is. Because it is bad. But more importantly it's boring.
I heard the second season is an improvement, but after trudging through pretty amateur story telling I can't even bring myself to hate watch it. Then again I was bored of amphibia too, so I think this genre of cartoon is just suited for kids which is fine. Mediocre story writers trying to be deep and change the world with their kid cartoons instead of building a world kids actually want to be involved in will make all of these cartoons disappear into the ether.
as a mother I get some of her concerns, but she had some pretty
out there baby psychology views that a lot of liberal moms end up adopting
Remember when they forged a contest to hide the fact that they stole a character they got from fan mail from a child and gave the parents hush money so they wouldn’t sue?>>1382529
Yeah the earlier comment saying that it’s not a big deal cause all the artists had those kind of jokes is a weird take when we just talked about John Kricfalusi child groomer not too long ago too?
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I had to look up what you were talking about, but once I found it, I also found this "concept sketch" for the character made by Rebecca Sugar. I can't stop laughing at it, because it's such a bad sketch, and it feels like she made it horny somehow.
The character is Me-Mow, for those curious.
Not to cape for Rebecca because I really don't care for her or her art but concept sketches are often very rough. The idea is more important when you're at that stage. I think people would be surprised to see true concept art it's never as polished as "art of" books.
That being said weird sexy cat is a shitty concept.
AYRT And I know concept sketches are rough, my only income is from art. But this is really
rough for how little she's actually conveying here, especially since she essentially just redrew a child's drawing but more sexualized. On that note, isn't it extra weird to decide to make the kid's cat OC grow up to be humanoid with boobs and thick thighs?
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No problem, I can understand the confusion. Here's the original picture with references for how the characters looked in the show at first (Me-Mow becomes humanoid with curves later, even though she barely appears in the show).
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Reference of her body type later on. She wears thicker clothes after this, but I'm not sure why they felt the need to make her a curvy humanoid anyway.
Shaped like a peanut
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So high guardian spice. Apparently the whole show was made by feminists only. It got shit reviews since it came out. But seems like the creator and staff of the show are reeing that the only people who hate the show are anti lgbt nazi's. Bonus points for them writing fake 5 star reviews with spelling errors also saying if you didn't like the show you are just an anti lgbt trans hating bigot. They managed to get it up to 2.5 stars, but it's slowly going back to 1 as more people are becoming aware of the shit show and the staff are not handling it well.
Created by Raye Rodriguez, a ftm feminist.
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one of the writers. because of course they all look like this.
it isn't that feminism is wrong. but the staff show the toxic
, sexist version of it. That and they plaster it everywhere they go.
But the show has a long ass list of what's wrong with it. Most of it coming from the braindead idiots who are on it
this is thinly-veiled troon coom fuel, nothing more.
it has nothing to with feminism or gay people and everything to do with internet pornsickness.
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I think it's universal that everyone is fine with the character Snapdragon. But like all men he's written as a complete asshole until he's groomed by Rodriguez's self insert into changing gender. Because god forbid the idea that all the girls in the show can be manly and still be women, but if you're a girly man you're automatically just a girl.
Also Rodriguez is self inserting their trans character from High Guardian Spice into their next project. Also an admitted weeb and fujoshi. So spot on with anons saying they're porn sick>>1398240
Honestly I wouldn't be shock if that was the case. But it's more likely just a bunch of idiots who are out of touch with reality and how humans interact with one another.
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Yup! Abandoning ship from High Spice Guardian, look for their next fantastic show "Reclaim Gloria"
where all the writers get to have yaoi self inserts!
racist, white "queer" woman pretending to be all for POC
/lgbt rights? Makes sense. She seems like the type of person to just hate all humans. Also seems like the type of woman who screams about feminism if you disagree with her, but hates on other women who are pretty
i wouldn't be surprised if it's making people homophobic too.>>1398292
they hate men until the man puts on a dress and takes horse piss, lmao. idpol is cancer
>>1383459>they forged a contest to hide the fact that they stole a character they got from fan mail
Holy shit, source on this? I tried googling it, but I couldn't find anything.
I definitely believe you, though. I was an avid fan of Adventure Time back then and I remember thinking, "I never heard anything about a character design contest" and also being baffled that a white striped cat was the winner.
and related posts.
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Snapdragon a young feminine male character who is uncomfortable with his sense of masculinity, especially compared to his great warrior father
throughout the show other characters(including his friend and an older teacher) try to "crack" his egg and imply he's trans which is very stunning and brave way to subvert toxic
masculinity by telling boys they have to be trans if they like feminine things.
This is so gross. I hate it when people try to pressure someone into there community because they have one simple thing in common. Even fictional characters. Not everything is black and white as people make it out to be. The whole mtf community is very pure pressure to minors. The weirdest part is it’s usually adults talking to minors. So gross. I hate the stereotypes they spread about men and women. “If I pretend to be weak that makes me seem more like a women” “if a boy likes one item girly then he is a egg, future trans girl”
I really hate this country. The western world shows how little problems we have, so we just make issues up.
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This was the concept art of Snapdragon and the portrayl seemed different than what we have now. Mini tinfoil but there's a chance that Raye invited her troon friend over and he chose him to self-insert.
thanks for bringing that up
Basically the whole show, before it was made, during production, after, was a shit show. It's so bad it's kind of comical.
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2013-2014 is when adventure time was big right? HGS used to look just like an adventure time copy paste.
I think HGS is a load of uninspired shit like everyone else but anon is posting misinformation.>>1398182
AFAIK they removed Kate Leth from the show because of all the drama surrounding her.>>1398278
This is for a dating sim she’ll never finish working on, not a cartoon. She has it tagged as boy’s love on her tumblr (which I’m just laughing about now because tumblr has banned the boys love and BL tags on the IOS app)
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Omfg this is rosemary & sage completely. Hell rosemary acts just like Steven/Fin and sage is like a mix of Connie and princess bubblegum. I’m mad it’s this easy to catch all the plagiarism.
>then they started their conversations for women's nights where some of the members didn't want nonbinary or trans people there
kek, good for them
fuck Kate Leth though
Tbh I think it's just Disney's business model.
Wander over Yonder had 2 seasons, Ducktales Reboot had 3 seaasons, Gravity Falls had 3 seasons, Amphibia will supposedly have 3 seasons.
I don't get why it's such a controversy. Giving cartoons 2 or 3 seasons is just what Disney does.
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I know it seems cringe out of context, but the show is actually pretty good. The animation is nice, and it has some pretty good songs. It's not meant to be fetishistic, the creator (a woman) is a former theater kid and the characters are inspired by her theater kid friends.>>1402351
He's meant to be a reference to RuPaul, I think. I'm almost wondering if they intended to have RuPaul voice Zulius but couldn't get him for whatever reason. Also whoever uploaded that video is a retard, he is neither trans nor bisexual. The showrunner said that he was gay.
All the human world moments of centaurworld are pretty cool but most of then story is centered around the centaurs who are basically magical annoying theater kids given the power to bend reality to the whim
I wished the story was played with straight with the war between Humans and the nowhere king
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Some confirmed /co/ users who have worked in the Industry
>Ian Jones-Quartey(creator of Ok-KO)>Kelly turnbull(storyboard artist for the Ben 10 reboot)>and as discussed in the previous thread Luke Weber
The show was animated by two different studios. One studio did the human world and the other did centaurworld.
So the animation becomes insanely inconsistent at times and Rider and Horse switch styles constantly
is right. that just proves that it's weird fetish shit. it's cringe in context as well because those people are gross.>>1402371
you can base characters on your friends without making them sexual horse-people. just..why centaurs? when i saw the title in the sidebar of my cartoon streaming site it made me uncomfortable. just seeing the word creeps people out. it screams "troon cartoon broadcasting oddly sexualised shit yet categorized as all-ages for some reason"
its really nothing like that, you clearly didnt watch the show. also you didnt sage and your zoomer speak is annoying.>>1402636
the style switch was jarring but otherwise i thought it was a decent show. the character banter is written well and each have well rounded motivations.
Centaur World is the pinnacle of 'Not For Me'. I can see there being an audience for this but I'm not one of them. I've heard some of the songs and found them catchy and I think the animation is beautiful but I'm just not into it, I don't think I'd say it is a bad show.>>1403431>>1402371
"Theatre kid" is not incorrect. IIRC correctly the creator pitched this in a song (she didn't sing the entire time but she sang multiple songs in the pitch). I think the premise would work better in live action, on stage, in theatre. Like Avenue Q. Theatre just isn't the same as film or tv, things you'd find charming on stage are cringe on the screen, it is a completely different energy and experience.
wait. this is a childrens show? I assumed this was something like Bojack Horseman.
There's a perversion problem in the animation industry.
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When people working at Helluva Boss step out of their containment zone
I think they were def going more for visuals. I def had to watch the episode a few times over to catch everything.
I guess they were hinting that the relationship between Stolas and Blitzo will be important later? I think stand alone episodes are confusing. Kind of like how Steven universe was written. Random episodes, but there's a story in there somewhere
Centaurworld is not an adult comedy, it is reportedly for all ages. It just looks
like a perverse mockery.
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This drawing by Dana Terrace is so.. Idk. When I first saw it I thought some scrote drew this.
This just reads like Twitter being woke and angry as usual. I'm surprised they didn't call her rayciss because she didn't like a movie with brown people.
>y-you work on helluva boss!!11!
Hate that show too, but I'd rather sit through it than encrapto. The story is boring and the songs/voices of the characters are annoying.
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Mirabel is so fucking ugly and no little girl wants to see herself in the fugly "15 year old" Mirabel. She looks like that one frumpy 40-year-old aunt everyone has. You know the one. It doesn't help that the screenwriter looks just like Mirabel
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i thought Encanto looked…ok (from the trailers didn't watch the movie)
Although i get what >>1405207
means,the expressions in picrel looks weird (except for the kid) and i thought mirabel looked in her early 20's >>1408942
i don't recall disney princesses looking like little girls? Moana is the only one i'd say looks like a teen
Are you colombian anon? you sound oddly mad on that aspect lol
I'm glad there are people who have the same opinion on this character design. When I first saw the art and knew nothing about the movie, I thought that she was supposed to be a 30 year old woman. To be frank, I don't have anything against less attractive characters, on the contrary, I enjoy variety in character art. However, it's entirely possible to make an unattractive but appealing design, and there's something about the contemporary disney artstyle that bugs me and I can't put my finger on it.
More on topic, but I've found a compilation of various cartoonists' tweets that paint a pretty informative picture of the current animation industry and how out of touch many of them are. While the thread is focused on correlation between the numale face and people's political opinions, I thought you might find some of the pictures interesting/amusing.https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-pol-theory-of-beta-male-facial-expressions.38162/post-7537265https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-pol-theory-of-beta-male-facial-expressions.38162/post-7568268
i read an article a few years ago that i can't find anymore that shows how there are rules in disney and pixar to keep the female characters looking cute, and it seriously limits the facial structures available to character designers.
the men can have various shapes and look like actual people/expressions, but the women have to have big eyes, tiny dot noses, soft cheeks, small chin. so there's no variety in design and "unconventional" or "ugly" women still feel cheated watching these movies because the loser character we're supposed to connect with is still unrealistically, generically cute.
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ok I had a retard moment I thought we were talking about Vivo, which makes the designs and animation of encanto look like spirited away lmao
All studios really police what their artists can do. I've worked with small ones and almost always they told me to make the women more generically attractive.
It's a bit soul crushing but yeah I generally don't blame artists because they're not the ones usually making those decisions
I mean, dont you think its weird how everytime SJWs depict poc
they always depict them as weird looking?. Like, with "cute" I don't mean I want Mirabel to look like a model, and there's nothing wrong with nerdy, "ugly" girls being represented, the problem is they're being represented with this hideous, wokeshit artstyle, you can design an unconventional, "ugly", lovingly made female character, and that counts as "cute" for me because the character is made with actual care and is charming, even Linguini is "ugly" yet I don't think he's hideous for a reason, I like the other characters of Encanto because they actually look nice to look at yet they aren't models neither. And is a known fact Colombians (and South Americans in general) didn't really like the protag girl because, again, she looks like an sjw mess and the movie is considered an american chashgrab, colombian girls don't deserve to have their representation be someone else's sjw self-insert.
i was >>1409017
and i didn't know anything about this - i don't watch many SJW cartoons or much american/english stuff other than the edgelord cartoons (archer, southpark, rick and morty) because i don't like to deal with western people people trying to be goodbois. i found steven universe really annoying though, so maybe your post is the correct take. i don't watch kids' shows and coco, encanto come off as pandering to me. (i'm not south american though).
Honestly, the "make things have more representation uwu" thing reads to me as "I'm a manchild/womanchild from a Western country (typically primarily English-speaking) who wants to feel good about my performance of allyship to minorities but doesn't want to actually consume foreign or less high-budget art". They only watch American-made movies and shows, anime, and sometimes Japanese/Chinese/Korean shit that shows up on Netflix, don't look into traditional art at all, and mostly only play AAA games, with only the occasional indie that was fished up and praised highly by the people who actually play indie games. It's hilarious (and maddening) to me when these idiots get offended that anime doesn't have more representation (it's mostly racially homogenized and the country is xenophobic+conservative), but then act like it's because all the characters are white (they're not lmao, they're all Japanese), and then seem to not have any issues with Asian live-action shows/movies having casts that are entirely racially homogenous, because they're too retarded to realize that an all Korean cast isn't progressive in a Korean-made show/movie. They're too stuck in their own cultural frame of reference to understand this incredibly basic concept. They don't realize that mental illness or social issues can't be accurately portrayed by a Marvel movie because it would alienate large parts of the audience, and that goes against their function. But they don't care, because this is a self-made problem by hyperconsumers who want to feel ethically superior for "holding up the underdog" or even "being
the underdog", but don't want to take in any "imperfect" or biting art, and they don't want to give up their mass-appeal media and products.
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She was 26 years old writing this. Gross, they need to vet these people creating media for children.
Well they based her completely off a woman in her late 20's early 30's. Which was a huge mistake. Nothing about her says child but insecure adult.
Would have been better if they based her off anything else or looked at Colombian girls.
I'm not asking for another Isabela since she's a carbon copy Disney princess, but it's better than Mirabel.
Little girls see themselves as beautiful flower gaia queens and not a frumpy 30 year old in grandma clothes?
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Mirabel's doll doesn't look that bad, but Isabela would definitely be more appealing to little girls
>>1411729>dont badmouth your potential employers on social media
Isn’t it funny how these are the same people crying about their employers not giving them freedoms, or that peoplle’s personal lives shouldn’t be tied to their work but they exert so much control over people that they deem have the wrong opinions.
One if the reasons I gave up on animation. The current industry is full of crybullies. Viz had it right making her own studio for Helluva boss/Hazbin hotel.
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no idea who this person is (didn’t even bother to check the profile, the post popped up on my feed because someone I follow liked it) but I thought it was common knowledge whatever you put on a show was left there to basically be property of the network and audience? People making covers “without knowing what it means”? How the fuck are they supposed to know bitch they saw this in adventure time and are probably just fans and not into your personal melodrama. Has it always been a pattern that animation people feel this entitled over miscellaneous shit, or is this modern? I see it as a modern problem but I’m not sure.
glad to see this popping it up here, it made me eye roll pretty bad the first time i saw it and i'm glad i'm non the only one.
TBH i think that type of behaviour always existed but
1) up until recently most if not children's tv and movie media was just commercial crap (can you imagine someone saying something like that over a scene in the flinstones? lmao. But i could see that happening in like, a book or picture book).
2) the internet wasn't there to empower such behaviour. "Oh no, i did commercial work for a commercial product and people are consuming my commercial contribution completely divorced from its initial context! Surely, this is the fault of the people"??? good luck to her
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I worked with her on the show. The ceo/boss (?) of the studio was super abusive
. If you look them up their Glassdoor is filled with negative reviews 1/2
I think this is a modern problem that might have come from the internet and from "DO NOT FUCKING REPOST!!!" type of culture that happens in internet art communities.
I notice a lot of artists with mostly an online presence have a very "I
made this, this is mine
" mentality, and then they hold onto that mentality even when they're supposed to be contributing for a team project, even when the project is someone else's vision.
Nowadays, a lot of animators and other cartoon related job are people straight from tumblr and twitter, so obviously a lot of them are gonna have that type of entitlement.Spoiler for kinda ot, but this type mentality is kinda like when you had that yansim wanabee project (Love Letter) and you had kids volunteering to make assets for it but then leaving and getting mad that the game was using the assets that they had volunteered to make. I wonder if we'll ever get to the point of professional animation projects getting similar shitshows
If the industry is filled with abusive
garbage people you should be allowed to show receipts. Not in a cancel culture way but in a "I worked with at least three pedophiles who treated me like shit for years" kind of way. And besides, I feel like the animation industry uses the rule to bully outsiders and make everyone conform to their clique even before they join it.
Not to mention the fact that cartoon fags act like they're the whole of animation, ignoring the shit ton of CG artists for movies or people who work on advertisements
i dunno, do kids care about age?
when i was like 10 everyone was a generic "adult" to me, from 16 year olds to 50. Mirabel looks like a competent young (15-25) person, i think that's enough design-wise
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Talking about Encanto, the official Disney Twitter account posted these concept arts. Do nonas who think Maribel is ugly and look to old like them better?
how is that a misleading description? That's exactly what concept art is.
Concept art = Exploring different ideas through art and design.
god 3D animation is a plague
for example that ladybug show could be so beautiful and expressive if it were 2D but as it stands it looks like a cheap ad for toys made in 2007
idk maybe i'm just a grouchy grandma but i'm shocked by the unfinished look and blandness of stuff like paw patrol, the Sing movies, etc. it's just can't be healthy?? w/e
that's the same thing with 2d though, like, i loved the disney cartoon block as a child but damn even the good one story wise like hercules or aladdin were absolute ass, animation wise.
good animation is expensive both in resources and in time, whether it's 3d or 2d
i think that's specifically a western thing. say what you will about south park or family guy, but they were instrumental in legitimizing animation as an all-ages thing instead of just for kids in those countries. stuff like squidbillies, smiling friends, archer, actual good stuff with strong visual/auteur style and creator control is up to par with film animation. that's only in 2D animation though. the reason so much 3D animated tv is total garbage is budget, no one cares, it's "just for kids"
personally i think kids tv in the west underestimates children's intelligence and is wayyyy too shitty for anyone of any age to be watching. i'd rather my 5 year old see some old simpsons or an episode of aqua teen hunger force with the swears bleeped out.
Disney's feature films are meant for children too but their budgets & the production quality is much higher than TV animation. It's true that some "adult" cartoons have somewhat better production values than kids' shows but they're still pretty chintzy looking compared to feature animation. (I'm speaking purely of animation and art quality, the writing is something else altogether, and yes, a lot of kids' shows seem to be written by trolls)
TV animation schedules are brutal and even "cheap" cartoons tends to be costlier than live-action.
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Love how nearly all of the "nonbinary" characters in Western animation are totally unambiguous if not outright gender conforming, even when they're aliens and shit. All the creative possibilities of animation and they still didn't try to make it make sense.
Picrel is better GNC representation than anything in that video kek
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Miraculous ladybug is a French cartoon but popular with western audience so I think this fucker should be here. That’s right, the director Thomas Astruc Is a manchild who self inserted himself in the show to victimise himself while implying he doesn’t get enough credit. This moron is super creepy too. The main character is based on him and his Chinese/French ex’s virtual child. Wtf?
The few times I've seen this show while channelsurfing left a really bad taste in my mouth; you constantly see marinette's ass from the back in action shots, and she gets sexualized quite a bit. So is this guy a bitter pedo or something? Jesus christ
Stupid little sage for my stupid little non-contribution
Oh I remember this guy from blocking ginjaninja over something petty (I forgot what it was specifically) a couple years ago. Ginga was even actually a fan of the show.
I wonder if there's more milk in the french/euro cartoon scene. also nonna pls western doesn't mean american, france is a western country
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Yeah the french have lot of deranged pedoshit especially about pairing little boys with adult women
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in this story the little boy is a friends with a girl that's a bit older than him and then he meets her again when she's a tween. later the boy fondles the girl in her sleep.
well i hope he's writing less? i'm disappoined because in the normal episodes, summer is actually the only good person in the whole family. i thought that was an intentional small joke, like the 17 year old girl is the most responsible sane person in that group of shitheads.
i fully blame the sex/piss/pedo shit on him, because the "normal" fucked up humour in that show is usually fine in terms of sexism or feminism or if you're a lesbian watching.
correct me if i'm mistaken though. i don't work in the animation industry at all or know anyone in it.
He probably still has creative input considering he voices the main leads. Summer is as morally grey as the rest of her family; the writers are just more empathetic on her so her motivations end up softening her actions. She had no qualms giving people curses when she was working for the devil or taking over societies and plundering bodies. They all really take turns being the sane person. I've got a lot of gripes personally with how they wrote her in said Rick-thirsting season, because her characterization was legitimately so cringe-inducing and embarrassing that I wondered if someone was inserting their strange ship into the show, but I'm derailing.
I haven't watched many adult cartoons beyond R&M, Inside Job, Bojack Horseman, and the Seth Macfarlane trio of shows, so I don't have good sample quality to deny/confirm what you're stating. That being said, he confirmed he experienced CSA, so you can really take that with what you will.
I don't think it was intended but Fusion ended up becoming a very fucked up concept when it was used as multiple metaphors for relationships, sex and child birth
for e.g Peridot was never given any Fusion in the series cause Rebecca sugar stated she was "Asexual" but later on the series Steven fused with his own father, also Pearl basically tricking Garnet into a fusion which was supposed to be a metaphor for coerced sex
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Raye Rodriguez bitching and whining at the fact that people don’t like his show. “It was the budget” yeah honey, okay. It totally has NOTHING to do with the fact that Raye was a nepotism hire because his family is fucking stacked with a $4 million house.
Nothing to do with that at all.
High Guardian spice is WHY the entire animation industry who weren’t born into rich families or had to fight tooth and nail for their work visa fucking loathe nepotism hires. Most of the time the result is high guardian spice.
You can still write a good simple story and simplify your art style if there is budget constraints. These are all just shitty excuses because an audience doesn’t react well to a show directed by a trust fund baby who wanted to be a show runner who has no idea what the fuck they are doing.
Part of being a show runner or executive producer is working around your budget constraints and Raye fucking failed because he had a tantrum that he couldn’t do whatever the fuck he wanted! Instead he made an absolute mess of his precious baby project, no one liked it and then he took to Twitter, crying and throwing up. Pathetic. This is supposed to be an adult.
I do feel somewhat for him. The objective fact is that he bit off more than he could chew. It can't feel good having the vast majority of the Internet shit on your first baby work.
That being said, Raye really should have recognized at a certain point that his HGS creation had outgrown him. He made these characters when he was a teenager. HGS could've performed better had he successfully pitched it to a different network like CN whose audience would've liked it, but even then, HGS is years outdated. From what I can see, he didn't do anything with those characters nor did he seem to do much original ongoing work outside of them. He just jumped right into the showrunner role after a couple of years of doing small animation work for other shows. Rebecca Sugar at least did comics and original animations of her own consistently, and she was a prolific writer on Adventure Time. She'd long established a name for herself through her different ventures. And even if she couldn't pitch it to a network and had to rely on an online following, VivziePop puts her right to shame.
In contrast, Raye has several credits as an animator and a character designer on IMDb, but none in writing except for an episode of HGS. I looked at the comics listed on his website, but they're just one-page quick ones.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did he seriously not do any ambitious original work of his own before diving into being a showrunner?
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how disingenuous. yeah, you could argue the shit animation and voice acting, which people did complain about, was due in part to low budget and the pandemic. i'd say the hiring of staff based on their special identities played a pretty big part in having no storyline and episodes with all over the place, jacked pacing.
but the heart of the criticism was the use of the show as a vehicle for ideology, in-your-face repeated by the characters themselves (the twans scenes) and in tropes (friendship-relationship blurriness bewteen sage and pink hair protagonists, sage being conflicted between mainstream modern magic and ancestral nativr old magic). everything in the show tells you it was made by lib-feminism-possessed NPCs, like their long narcissistic rants about identity or their naïveté about a character coming into a class and being so special and excellent they go a year ahead, or their escape from their buttfuck nowhere village to a magical college town like going from the midest to Calarts. i can't even tell whether they chose to tell a story strictly about themselves or if they think everybody lives like them, but the self-infatuation that oozes from every part of the show puts me off regardless. the number one quality of a good storyteller is their interest in people that are different, and by that i don't mean they have a wacky hair color.
the only semi-interesting thing about all this is the headmistress embodied in 3 ages, but the execution was shit. they could have shown one, and then another, and have the characters confused at the age difference. it could have been an interesting mystery.
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Holy shit this is bad. The background and characters all in a line with no sense of depth reminds me of shitty deviant art anime drawings from 2004. May as well hide the hands behind the back like a true weeb drawing fan art
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Of course she'd pull this shit
show apparently! i seriously thought it was a troon.
This may sound bad as someone looking for a career in animation, but I really have a hard time believing that a budget is what stops a show from being good. Like back when Trigger
was a brand new studio, Kill la Kill had a low budget but it's still loved to this day because it had style and was funny. Utena, Sailor Moon, and if I'm not wrong, Panty and Stocking were also series with low budgets that are still loved to this day.
If you know what you are doing and have talented people, or at the very least people who know what they're doing, a low budget shouldn't have such a detrimental hit on your show. This includes writing and the actual animation itself.
I know it's a bit unfair to compare anime to cartoons because the work ethic and mentalities are a bit different but still.
That’s because you’re right, nonny
. More money doesn’t mean a better product. I mean oook at any box office failure. She’s mad that people genuinely didn’t like her show and is backpeddling on it being a budget issue rather than the base story not being interesting enough. I’ve seen people complain more about the story and characters than the animation quality.
That and there was creepy grooming shit that implied that if you’re a girl you’re weak
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Budget wasn't the only issue, apparently. According to his thread, it was also time constraints. Trying to go back and fix mistakes would just go over the budget. If you have a low budget, you can do fine with an experienced staff and patient overseers. Sailor Moon Crystal's first season is the best example I can think of where an under-experienced staff (that was outsourced from SE Asia, no less) and looming time-constraints doomed the animation quality. Beyond the budgeting and time issues, it's more questionable whether the staff members were experienced or if they were newbies. Layering issues, sure, I can brush aside as not enough time to look back at mistakes. However, some of the animation mistakes were things only novices would do.
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What is it with US animation creators trooning out and filling their cartoons with troon shit. Is there something in the drinking water at calarts?
And anti femininity. Friendship is Magic had Rarity and Fluttershy, what do these newer cartoons have? Dangerhairs, lol random girls and everyone looks as if they're binding, and few if any soft nurturing girls who are just as valuable and good as action oriented girls. Picrel, the girly flower princess is troon coded and everyone else looks like they came from the enby convention
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The moment I saw Perfuma's design I had a feeling it was a troon, and turns out I was right. Clocked immediately.
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Apparently there's even a kid which only makes sense if the characters a guy. Course it's with the character who's supposed to be leabian, the ultimate troon fantasy.
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I think they're trying to be "feminist" and rejecting femininity cause they think is inherently harming to be girly as a woman>>1422722
lmao that's a man baby
Perfuma was the most annoying and forgettable character in that show so I never noticed kek
It looks like Riley J Dennis
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samefag and sorry for the autism, but i still don't understand why he looks so clockable in canon wtf, look at his jaw and hands
the type of women who make these shows always think there's some kind of pressure to have big boobs despite 90% of women having small ones. that's the reason for all the flat-chest designs.
i don't know where they live that they feel so bad about their A-C cup boobs. i have big ones and i'm pretty sure most of us are jealous of girls who can just fucking buy shirts.
Sage for no milk and blogging
I'm late to this party but … is the Centaurworld creator a troon? My partner works in animation so we watch a lot of cartoons but were not interested in this one at all, it creeped us both out so we avoided it until one of her bosses/coworkers insisted everyone on the team give it a look. We sat through the first episode and it was so uncomfortable and we both felt like this was made by a troon.
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>>1424109>is the Centaurworld creator a troon
No, she's an asian woman whose just really into drag race and woke culture
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>>1421124>think of what happened behind the scenes
yeah, I can do that. I see the project is led by a complete idiot who ruined it for the 'REAL HUMAN BEINGS' who had to slave away on it. if you have so little money, simply simplify your designs and they will be cheaper and easier to animate (like pic related). you can simplify your backgrounds too.
ironically MLAATR is better received in Japan despite not trying to be animu, even having an industry master like Yoshinari drawing tons of fanart of it. why? because it succeeds as an animation, it does things right that HGS doesn't do.
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So uh, Totally spies is getting a reboot
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I didn't liked the last season, they changed the girls' dynamic and they weren't as sassy as they used to, so I don't have any hope for this one.
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>>1422537>>1422512>Phineas and Ferb
In the case of Phineas and Ferb the creators would literally come in as cameo one off characters for a Joke
probably the most extreme e.g of what anon posed here >>1422537
is the venture bros, where almost the entire cast of a given episode is just the two creator of the series talking to each other
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Super late reply but yes, it’s in the kids’ section of Netflix.
why do i wanna fuck doc hammer so badly
it's not because of his awesome show, i'd do it even if he was a loser
help me nonnnas i've had thisboner for 15 years>>1425344
eat the pennies
I only now got around to watching this shit and how come the backgrounds are so ridiculously detailed and the animation can be really good for a TV series but literally everything else is shit? I'm not buying this boo-hooing about the budget for a second. The characters constantly look dead-eyed because that's how they were designed to be - ugly, clunky and dead eyed. There's nothing wrong with the animation, it's clear that it's the storyboarding, writing, character designs and voice acting that suck about this show and none of these things can be fixed with money besides hiring someone experienced to save it, but it's clear that Raye Rodriguez wanted this to reflect her own vision that just was all over the place. So in other words it was never going to be saved by a bigger budget. This was money down the drain and it makes me angry that something of value could've been done with it.
The teacher grooming Snapdragon to transition instead of working out his problems with himself and his childhood abuse was seriously creepy as fuck and I can't believe troons see this as a positive approach. I also have no problem with an all-lesbian cast in theory but outing both Sage and Thyme in a childish manner in a matter of one goddamn episode and teasing them about their crush like it was a kids' show made it look tacky and pandering instead of something that felt natural. This was someone's self-indulging fanfic from middle school that got picked up due to nepotism and nothing else, it's sad that a good idea (besides using Crunchyroll to market and fund it, that was a terrible one) had to be ruined by abusing it as a mouthpiece for hammering in preachy messages lacking any sort of nuance or tact, taking you away from the main story that remains full of plot holes and rushed decisions. I'm honestly seething over how much resources it wasted instead of them being redirected towards something worth half a shit.
This is either going to be forgettable and mediocre like the original but slightly worse or infamously terrible.
($50 they make alex an enby)
Sage for responding to an old post, but Shiro Scorpia wasn't the only thing that looked lifted from VLD to me. Hordak looked like an albino Galra and the Hordes ships in the later seasons when we finally get to see some of Horde Prime gave me Galra fleet vibes. That could just be me noticing things and tinfoiling though, because even 80s Hordak sort of resembled the 80s Galra/Drule and cartoons tend to have various defining looks throughout the ages.
But since its know some of he She-Ra staff were butthurt Klancers, I do sometimes wonder.
People might just be pleased that an adult animation show is at least decent and doesn't try to be anything it's not. I like it a lot - it reminds me of the short animation skits people share on YouTube, and the humor is very in touch with online humor nowadays. And thankfully it's not another quirky show about a family.
The guy who did Bushland Adventures for the Rick and Morty special is one of the creators, so that's what caught my interest really, considering I remembered being extremely amused by it.
respectfully, who gives a shit about a 15 year old's music career…?
zach is it you selfposting?
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he's 24 and most of the fan base are already adults and will never grow out of it, his entire music career will be worth nothing but steven universe animatics
I didn't mind that you posted in celebricows nonnie
, this is such a shitty animatic too lmao
Yeah he definitely needs to change his name. Maybe get someone who can help him rebrand, I really do feel for him, the SU fanbase is toxic
and annoying and remarkably un-talented overall.
Goddamn. This kid can't catch a break.
A couple of years ago, he had to take a break due to depression. Almost everyone "comforted" him by quoting Steven Universe songs, with a vocal number even suggesting videos of themselves singing said songs like "Here Comes a Thought" for him.
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Speaking of Steven, It's weird no one has ever pointed out the fact that Steven is entirely based on Rebecca Sugar's brother, Steven Sugar
What do you think he thinks about all of the Bara fan art that people draw of a cartoon version of him made by his sister ?
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Rebecca sugar drew Ed, Edd n eddy Yaoi
Ian-Jones Quartey used to drew "cheesecake" fan-art of on /co/
both are coomers who get off to cartoon porn
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MLP is getting a cal-arts reboot, it hasn't even been 4 years since the last series ended
Has he ever expressed being mad/upset with the SU cast or show? Would be kind of hilarious, but tragic lol
I initially liked the show but it started coddling mentally ill adults rather than being made for kids, while they of course acted all high and mighty pretending it was still for kids. They have entire episodes of characters being nothing but angry and sad, ending with everyone still being depressed. Like who the fuck green lit that for a kids show?!
It can be borderline traumatizing for small kids to watch their favorite characters really sad and never seeing it resolved. Meanwhile the creators drew literal porn of the same cartoon characters.
Honestly doesn't surprise me. It's on Netflix which is telling. They'll probably pander to the bronies
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>>1448528>They have entire episodes of characters being nothing but angry and sad, ending with everyone still being depressed. Like who the fuck green lit that for a kids show?!
americans think steven universe is too morbid for children because the characters cry lmao
meanwhile us yuropoors grew up with babies getting impaled on spikes in our kid's programming and we still turned out more mentally healthy than the SU fanbase
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fuck, this is so ugly
>>1448528>It can be borderline traumatizing for small kids to watch their favorite characters really sad and never seeing it resolved.
Tell us more about how sad Rugrats made you, nonnie
Sage for no proof or milk but I remember hearing from an industry friend who knows some C and D listers that this guy is the most insufferable cunt ever and a huge diva. True or not, I have little sympathy for people who are pissed because they get tired of the thing that made them famous. Boo hoo.
Come to think of it, there are a lot of cows in the anime and cartoon voice acting industry. Seems to attract a lot of annoying personalities.
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Puccanoodles is an artist usually mentioned in the salt threads in /ot/. She’s a confirmed munchie working for Disney who constantly ebegs and creates drama
Anyways, she’s trying to open up a “store” and it’s just aliexpress shit. So not only does she beg for pity donos despite having a guilded animation job, she’s trying to scam people with bootlegs at significant markup
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Her girlbossing and hard at work, checking out bootlegs
These are like $5 on Aliexpress and anyone can buy them.
Guess she wants to be a scalper.
VAs are huge cows, surprised there isn't a thread for them. Then again, VA drama went radioactive for awhile during the Vic Mig saga as every furious weeb would spam the same IStandWithVic nonsense despite his lawsuit being a disaster.
The one odd side effect is Mignogna unintentionally outed a bunch of VAs who hated him as also being spergs, like Monica Rial. Kind of like what happened with Channel Awesome.
LOL Marie is the cow that keeps on giving. What, Disney not paying you enough?
Side note but can someone help summarize all the milk she has? To name a few I know she>claimed nintendo stole her OC’s likeness>used the timing of a tragic shooting to help promote her gofundme>had a pet bunny but only for a few months before passing away due to neglect as she was on vacation
I’ll try to rattle off what I remember from artist salt threads but there’s a lot. >has a new condition every month >loudly milking how disabled she is, posts about needing a wheelchair and cane but also posts videos of herself playing intense DDR games at arcades >ebegged to get her fully trained service dog. Still not sure how it “saves her life every day” as she claims.
She also has a rocky history with public relationship drama. Last year when her public boyfriend Brantendo broke up with her she spent a whole day screaming at him on Twitter for leaving and ended with a big suicide bait saying she “couldn’t go on” and was checking herself into a psych hospital. She sent droves of followers to harass him in the process and never acknowledged how it was wrong to use her influence this way. A few years before that she had a public relationship with another guy in animation. I am hazy on the details if anyone else remembers names, but she caught him DMing another artist. Without checking up on it she put them both on blast on Twitter for cheating. The other girl claimed she never accepted any advance from the guy or participated but it was already too late and she ended up being driven off Twitter permanently because of Marie.
They haven't even released the actual next gen season and it's already getting a bad spin off. I think they don't know what to do with the show now that friendship is magic ended.
Honestly the writing for the show was taking a crazy spin and the VA's wanted nothing to do with it
he just bails on his kid and sends him to live with 3 women he hung out with in his 20s because what? his kid was born kinda "different"?
adventure time was the same. maybe they're trying to make other 80s kids not feel ashamed about "muh parents' divorce" but it's not landing properly.
you're right; greg is a shitty dad in the sense that he wanted steven to have the idealized version of a childhood he wanted to have at 10 (not going to school, going on adventures, etc), but as far as providing nothing in the show actually suggest he's not a good parent. I think it's an actually interesting angle to explore, the fact that even when you do your very best, by trying to give your child every chance you supposidely didnt have you still can end up fucking them up.
but sure, steven universe bad because, i dunno, some storyboarders were divas lol
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This just looks like a girl. They took a character that wasn't a stereotype and made him the ultra-flaming gbf.>>1454074
Why is this animated like Johnny Test lmao? You're right, it does have this weirdly sexual vibe about it.
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Weren't people saying this show was colorist, too? Like the only girl characters with dark skin were aggressive and not cute lmao. What a mess
This youtube comment was right (even if it's hard to read)
"Ho man I'm really not going to like this show, I really don't like how they're vilifying Oscar, making it seem like he's in the wrong for not wanting his daughter to dress in a provocative manner, and it seems like the show is going to be making fun of hem for it. Also I don't like how sugar mama acts towards her son, I can't remember if she was always like this in the original show, but now it just looks like she really hates her son, plus I also don't like how penny comes off her father by calling him by his first name makes her come off as very disrespectful, and at the end of the video where she said to her father "like a girl" made me roll my eyes, you don't have to dress in provocative manner to let people know that you are a female, this show messaging is going to be so off and ridiculous and it's going to have a real negative effect on girls who watches it. Plus I really hate the fact that they got this dude dressing up like a girl they really want to push this little agenda on our people huh?"
>>1454341>they really want to push this little agenda on our people huh
I haven’t watched the show and from the screenshot it seems they tried making him some flamboyant gay boy (although he looks more like a girl).
But this part of the comment reminded me of how TRA’s are racists and love to say how “manly” black women are and use them as shields. That troons are totally wahmen too because “Black women look masculine as well!! You can’t tell the difference!”. Wouldn’t be surprised that at some point they try to push some MtF character.
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Can’t wait for the bad art thread to get revived
the added a new dark skin female character who is also a BLM activist
I'm sure they wanted to seem woke but this is also a colorist stereotype, casting dark skin bw as the protectors of the black community i.e the mules
she's meant to be a woke teenager that will make #deep statements, apparently she's supposed to be cool
they also have her reading race after technology and James Baldwin
I remember there was a youtube video where the creator was interviewed and his response to being mildly challenged about the shows colourism was so violently dismissive that the youtuber had to apologise on his behalf
can't find it now, but I think it was by Toonrific Tariq
This character is clearly supposed to be a dig at women who complained about the colourism and problematic
elements of the show. The funny part is that these types of blm warriors do all this stuff for black men and this is how they repay them, It will always be funny to me that if anybody tells them how stupid they look they will just say you are spewing white supremacy or "not all". No different from that screen cap about trad thots crying about alt right being mean to women, but continuing to man stroke them regardless.
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I'm willing to bet they are gonna give her a white bf, literally everyone kinda knows that uber woke woc
go for bland white guys
Talking about this tras it just seems Bad from the clips i've seen
the "two babies one diaper" line reminded me of those shock videos that people baited/challenged others to see
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One of her gay dads is white.
i'm not black nor american, so i know i'm not the target audience at all, but the proud family always seemed weirdly mean spirited? i mean it was refreshing in a sense, i remember an episode where there's a wheelchair kid being a dick to penny and the lesson is that penny had all the rights to stand up for herself because he was using his disability as pity points to get his way. I cannot think of another children's show where the disabled character is the rude dick like that and called out for it lol.
But the other side of this medal is that everyone is SO MEAN, the dad is a dick, the grandmother is a dick, the kids are so aggressive and the girls are "nagging", it's even super racist against east-asians characters..?
this reboot is cute enough but honestly has too much of this original mean spirit for my tastes
It was written/directed/produced/acted by almost exclusively black cast and crew. Not sure about now, but the original series was.>>1454452
Overall I think this is made for millennials with Disney Plus yo swoon over and remember the good ol' days and no children will realistically be watching it. I feel like most western animation is made for weird adults even if it's on a kid's channel. In my experience kids watch Coco Melon and then just switch to YouTubers past a certain age, none of them consume cartoons at the rate Millennial adults do.
actually i think it's the opposite, you can tell it's very genuine in its humour and delivery, much like i dunno, tyler perry's movies lol. They're mean in a way that if you were that mean to a black person you'd be racist, so to speak.
but also honestly i think is that proud family was a 90's-early '00 cartoons IIRC, you know the TOO EDGY! TOO EXTREME! era, everyone was sarcastic and smarter than their parents.
>>1454716> It was written/directed/produced/acted by almost exclusively black cast and crew. Not sure about now, but the original series was.
I know, it made the awful 1 dimensional stereotype characterization even more egregious to me, though even if you have an all black crew, you still have to answer to (mostly white) Disney execs.>>1454977
Source? I assumed it was for one of their upcoming shorts. I never found any conflicting information about the casting calls authenticity.
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apparently this was a show that was rejected over High Guardian spice, it was supposed to be a mediterranean/arabian inspired version of Avatar but was rejected cause it wasn't considered diverse enough i.e there weren't any gay characters, no diverse bodytypes and the main group had too many men apparently, compared to HGH which had more "diverse" bodytypes", more LGBTQ+ representation and an all female cast
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100% feels like the creator is just trying to ride the wave of hatred on HGS when it makes a lot more sense that Asturs didnt make it for the first wave or 'CR Originals' because of how close the overall appeal/vibe is to Onyx Equinox who's creator has years of work in the animation industry and most likely way more connections and experience to have made a good show pitch.
It's not about actual sjws, it's about how dark skinned women are often cast as warriors for the people (because they are seen as more masculine than light skinned women and sexism).
See these video for explanation of that pov:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVTrHOy5QDQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9kYhCU-Ar4
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I wish I could fit all of this into one screenshot.
Studio Killers have been pimping out their one lesbian song for ages, to the point where Jenny is a major character in their new show even though I swear to god their self-titled album ends with her and Cherry breaking up.
Typical moid shit. The band is 100% male and even partnered with Kim Petras for ANOTHER Jenny cover.
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Has anyone seen Turning Red? I just saw it and it was entertaining enough. A lot of anime references like Fruits basket and visuals. My bf’s NG friends keep roasting it which is fine but I want opinions from fellow nonnies.
Thought it was cute, liked the showcase of positive female friendship(wish there was more of it in cartoons), but absolutely despised the artstyle the whole way through.
It looks like the Steven universe artstyle- thus already ugly but add 3D and realistic rendering with prominent teeth and you get an unsettling mess on screen.
I just thought it was funny that in the “directors cut” they were proudly saying that the lead creators where exclusively female, but then showed a picture of the main team that had like 10 females, and the rest of the 35+ group was white guys. Kek nice diversity disney
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There's something that's not right about Maya as a character. Especially when she's the character who's dark skinned with natural hair, she exists for the sake of selling the stereotype that dark skin girls are jealous bitter bitches who are mean to light skinned girls.
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Should cartoon stories be more creative and original than just retelling parts of the creator's life
Eh not really. The only difference between them and others is that they have money and nepotism to make their OCs into shows. Doesn’t mean it’s good though but no one is required to be 1000% original considering we have so many streaming services that need shows— good or bad
It’s annoying and narcissistic imo tho
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half of non-white creator OC stories almost always end up being picrel
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The most recent one I can think of is Over The Garden Wall(and that's from 2014)
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Does anyone remember Matthew Jay from Cartoons 101 and the Deep End? I used to follow his patreon where he went from a stereotypical woke moid talking about nostalgic cartoons to going nuts and never being able to stay on topic ones Covid hit. His personality shifted from le friendly Youtube guy to constantly going on edgy rants about how the virus was making him lose faith in humanity. He had Mr. Enter/Pan Pizza style delusions about one day getting his own cartoon show even though he could not draw for shit, which lead him to go on rants about how cartoons needed outside writers instead of letting the storyboard artist do it. The weird part was that he was living in Burbank with two actual successful TV animators (clearly kind of a leech in this situation) and got pretty notable industry people to be on his podcasts. Eventually, he just completely lost it and deleted his Youtube, Patreon, and all his podcast episodes and disappeared completely. I kind of suspect he got Metooed or otherwise cancelled but I've never been able to find anything for sure.
The best animated show I’ve seen that actually addresses that is Bojack Horseman. But again, it’s not for kids/is too “depwessing and doesn’t make my feewings valid
!!” for the adult crowd who watches nothing but Steven Universe
was it posted in another thread?
this is my first time posting it and i didn't see it discussed earlier in this thread.
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New pony cap. Show looks hideous and I hate the addition of a scrote. They’re trying to pander to the bronies.
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Had a hearty kek from this post.
«Would there be so many reboots and spinoffs and IP-adjacent shows right now, if every new cartoon pitch wasn't a beanmouth isekai about clinically depressed biracial lesbians who defeat the bad guys by crying? »
bojack got a bit narm/melodramatic/ shark-jumpy around when princess carolyn miscarried though-you don't have to make EVERY character's life shit. some people do just like their job and get married at 50 cause you don't meet a lot of people who only like their job. todd's mom/family issues were really shoehorned in at the last minute too. it's good they ended it when they did, because it was really shitting on its own characters.
like diane, there was nothing wrong with her being the slightly boring person who got work in LA but doesn't really want to be involved in hollywood/entertainment business, and sometimes is depressed. they didn't need to have her become completely stupid by season 6 and then make it look like antidepressants will ruin everyone's body.
ok ko sucked ass
except for the hot purple guy
i hate myself
i'm late to the party but damn those are ugly, that pink ponys wings are gross. the colors are hideous too, orange and magenta/purple for a main character? ew. and the pony combo of orange + yellow, then pink + purple was a poor choice, these shades are too close to each other which makes them look samey and boring.
kek at the gender special looking pony being white
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Doesn't make Bojack novel or good. Just more navel-gazey male comedians whining behind a layer of truly ugly animation. No different than Rick and Morty or F is for Family. All these shows are the epitome of picrel. Just because it's about somebody's misery doesn't make it valuable or deep.
Obviously it's not exactly the same
but you're being deliberately obtuse at this point. >>1485722
is correct in saying that at its core these shows are all boring and samey but now they hire a team of animators to try and distinguish their boring and samey scrote whining. We've seen it all before, I wish they'd get some new material. Regurgitated Louis CK "I'm an asshole but at least I know I'm an asshole" content isn't new just because its drawn instead of acted.>>1486674
I have just become disillusioned with America's particular brand of "tackling serious issues while still being an animated series." None of it is anything deeply moving or built to last. Just dick jokes sandwiched between adult men's complaints their their upbringing really screwed them up. I think content like Bojack is just as unhealthy for a young mind as waifus.
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I think it’s weird how the creator of Miraculous Ladybug inserts himself into the show. He tries so hard to be self aware that he flops on his face.
>Just dick jokes sandwiched between adult men's complaints their their upbringing really screwed them up. I think content like Bojack is just as unhealthy for a young mind as waifus.
One thing that drove me particularly nuts about Bojack is how clearly his mother had a way more fucked up and traumatic childhood than him, but still managed to ruin less people's lives. Yeah, she fucked up with Bojack, yeah she didn't care in the end and dying alone is usually how it goes for these women but it felt like he was just blaming being a heaping pile on only
his mommy issues, even though his father was the piece of shit that ruined her (if we want to play the blame game. Had she never met him she would have married rich and lived a happier life, instead of being knocked up by a loser and to traumatized to get an abortion).
It's like modern animation is just scrotes animating their mommy issues for the masses. The villain went from some textbook supervillain doing bad things to your mom being a bitch
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Speaking of ML
Can we talk about how milky As(s)truc is?
For years he's been having narc sperg outs on twitter and arguing with underage fans about his shitty weeb cartoon whenever faced with the slightest criticism
He's obsessed with how supposedly genius and feminist (kek) ML is, I can't wait to see his meltdown once Zag drops him for season 6
What a weird take, imho. Did serious cartoons also cause Japan to have cuddle cafes? Or are those caused by the same escapism as waifu cult because of shit mental health care country-wide?
Any medium can have any theme, if parents decide to show their kids age inappropriate cartoons that's on them.
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>>1486674>FROM THE BEGINNING animation as a medium is something meant to portray cats being hit by bricks
if this is a reference to krazy kat, your complaints about animation taking itself too seriously because lol bricks hitting cat's head is kinda funny when the source material, the original comic is considered very respected work of art lmao so basically what animation did was take a very compelling piece of art and turn it into stupid mindless shit
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like krazy kat, comic about a mouse throwing pricks at a cat is known precisely for being more than just that
This was bound to happen regardless, as cartoons are made to be relatable to people, even while they do silly/impossible things.
There are boomer men who have crushes on the mice from Animaniacs. No melodrama or seriousness needed there
serving arabic children's song music video realness. >>1487716
ily anon please keep being you
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Anyone know this chick? She became enby recently and complains a lot about older/ESL people not getting her pronouns right. Worked on Hair Love, Craig of the Creek, probably some other stuff
i see her tweets a lot and she definitely annoys the fuck out of me with her takes. in a way i'm glad it's majority female they/thems in the animation industry because the alternative is agps…but women like this really just make a toxic
workplace and insert their bullshit into every conversation. its exhausting.
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Kek so they basically made the cast of proud family into college kids. They even got “older” voices for them too. Of course Maya the new black girl sounds like a man when keke is in her 20’s.
Most fans are just going to watch the old series until this one crashes and burns and hasbro does something dumb like "Friendship is magic a new dawn"
All I know is, no one is using the new artstyle for their pony art. It's hideous and I want the calarts style to fuck off forever
I love how it looks but I just know it'd have been full of coombait for moids >>1487048>it felt like he was just blaming being a heaping pile on only his mommy issues, even though his father was the piece of shit that ruined her
I've wondered if part of it was because his father got himself killed over stupid shit long before Bojack ever had the chance to lash out at him, so all his blame was thrown onto Beatrice. Though honestly that's probably still too kind to Bojack, the guy has so many issues with the women in his life
I felt the exact same. It’s because this hair style feature MUCH looser curls from prior designs which I was very much not a fan of when those prior Penny designs had her hair look more kinky and obviously black. Shes giving very much Dolores Madrigal from Encanto. >>1488616
Maya being the only dark skinned woman activist with a manly voice in the future is just the cherry on top the whole colorism cake. It’s not anything new for this show but it still nevertheless disappoints me because I want to see more black shows that aren’t a milquetoast slog like Craig of the Creek.
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i thought netflix was done making animation deals
I can understand if they failed to reach an agreement with a series but an ova? It makes me wonder what always went wrong behind the scenes.
but seeing and knowing a bit of controversies with thomas, it can't be helped but blame him for most of it. >>1493300
true, felix as many fans dubbed him as, looks better tbh. Although, many fans would disagree on the opinion. the characters in the anime looks older, which i like, and i like that there's better background or architecture than the ones in the show. In most fight scenes, maybe outside of it, the Eiffel tower is always behind the characters.
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Forgot to attach pic related when I mentioned the fallen project. It was actually Jeremy Zag who shared it.
Thomas seems like an absolute nightmare to work with. I doubt Toei would agree to work with them now. It feels the show peaked a long time ago.
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He's pissed off a lot of fans by snarking back at them, they've even made a whole documentation of his twitter spats. I know these people are probably making this worse but he's a sperg too. He needs to stop replying and get off twitter.
On a side note I do know that he based Sabine (Marinette's mother) off a Chinese girl he dated in collage with the same name. Of course, Tom (Marinette's father) is based on himself too.
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The director of Encanto, Jared Bush actually retweeted this, like modern animators are just a bunch of stunted man and womanchildren projecting their petty bullshit unto the world
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Shit like this is why I'm glad I didn't get into animation. The industry's so fucked up and warped now that people like this guy think they spit pearls of wisdom. Animation used to be beautiful, engaging, AND for children all at the same time. Nowadays the entire industry has built an iron wall between itself and its history. They want to forget the 100+ years and millions of people whose shoulders they stand on. They're an ungrateful bunch of mentally ill people who will never come close to their predecessors.
Tired of this generational trauma shit. You've seen one, you've seen them all. Isn't it funny how a majority of these "generational trauma" films always put the blame on the matriarch?
Fucking hate this coddling shit. Learning why Abuela or Obaa-san is a cunt gets old fast.
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So this is interesting, an article about the ever increasing porn artwork of children's cartoons characters, how the trend came to be and how some of these artists are now being hired by major animation studios
>Kids’ TV has a porn problem
>Rule 34 of the internet: “if it exists, there’s porn of it.” It’s unclear exactly when or where this idea originated — sometime in the ’00s — but in the end it was less of an observation than it was an edict. The internet took it as a challenge, an idea that must be made reality. Many it treated as something of a college-frat-boy joke, something with which to shock and entertain their friends.>Other members of the internet had a more specific interest in it. And so they went to work.>Rule 34 meant Strawberry Shortcake porn. It meant Arthur porn. Thomas the Tank Engine porn. Caillou porn. Dora the Explorer porn. Avatar: The Last Airbender, Clifford the Big Red Dog, Phineas and Ferb, Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Animal Crossing porn. Ben 10 porn. SpongeBob SquarePants porn. Doug porn. Kim Possible porn. Ducktales porn. Powerpuff Girls porn. Even Bob the Builder porn. And so on and so forth.>At times it took on an almost automatic, mechanical quality — simply going down the checklist. A certain sector of the internet felt a pressing need to “corrupt” as many things as they could, however they could, as much as they could. As the Twitter user gravislizard wrote in a viral tweet thread last year: "There was a formula. Nobody knew where it came from, but it seemed to have been there forever. The response to /all/ cultural phenomena was to create something deeply cynical and usually violent and we were doing it like we were punching a clock. The laughs were forced">During this early era, the one upside was that these underground online groups were comfortably separate from the mainstream. The subculture of kids’ cartoon “corrupters” was a world away from the community of legitimate children’s animators on the internet. Rule 34 existed, and kids could find it if they tried, but it wasn’t the fundamental force underlying the spirit of the online cartoon community.>Eventually the Rule 34 project slowed, partly because the novelty wore out and partly because the mantle was passed onto people who didn’t require any such label. People who had spent long enough on the internet to naturally embody the darkest version of the ideal set forth in the Rule — and like it, too.
>What’s the worst that could happen?>When My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic first started airing in 2010, it quickly gained a following of adult male fans who called themselves “bronies.” There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. But as Gianna DeCarlo described in her Baltimore City Paper post “The problem with bronies: a look at the corruption of ‘My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic’ ”:…the problem with bronies has nothing to [do with] grown men liking a children’s cartoon and everything to do with their usurping of a safe space for young girls and distorting it into a hypersexual and toxic environment for these younger fans.>The adult fanbase of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic has become legendary for the vast ocean of pornography they’ve created of the TV show’s cast of small cartoon animals. For years, it’s been easy for kids to find disturbing sexual imagery of these characters just by looking up their names on Google Images, even with SafeSearch enabled. Search anything My Little Pony related and you’ll quickly come across extreme fetish art. According to Ule Lopez of Geek Reply: “there is a dedicated section to child pornography in sites like Derpibooru and FiMFiction. This category is known as ‘Foalcon.’ ”>Another famous example of brony excesses is, as Nicky Vaught of Technician described, “Molestia … [the] parody character of the show’s character, Celestia. The site, Ask Princess Molestia, operated in blog format, [and] often dealt in pornographic fan art — of cartoon ponies — and even more often in rape and molestation jokes.” He went on to quote a member of the My Little Pony fan community who petitioned for the deletion of Ask Princess Molestia as saying, “I recently babysat a child who … upon seeing my massive My Little Pony collection, ran to my Friendship is Magic shelf and started naming them … Once she got to Celestia, she told me she rapes people.”>Children who grew up in the 2010s are natives to the internet. Even by 2011, studies showed that one-fourth of children under age 6 used the internet and 59% of those aged 6-to-9 logged on daily. It’s second nature for this generation of kids to keep up with their favorite children’s programs online, or even to follow the social media accounts of those shows’ creators. But the safe space that a show like My Little Pony offers children on television is missing on the internet, where official art rubs shoulders with “Molestia,” and an official YouTube video is likely to lead straight to the site’s darkest reaches.>According to some experts, the potential dangers of children being exposed to porn include depression, social anxiety and self-harm. Discovering porn at a young age — when children often have poor impulse control and difficulty parsing their emotions — can also lead to porn addictions. On top of that, in a 2013 study by Middlesex University, 276 submitted papers showed that “children and young people who view pornography tend to hold less progressive gender role attitudes.” Many of the more positive studies are, at most, merely inconclusive. The whole situation has led feminist writer Judith Shulevitz to state in The New York Times: “It’s O.K., Liberal Parents, You Can Freak Out About Porn.”>Eventually, brony antics expanded beyond just internet porn and overflowed into the physical world. My Little Pony conventions attended by its young fans were also frequented by inhabitants of the internet’s sewer, buying and selling things like erotic bodypillows of the show’s cast. There was a notable child stalking scare at one such convention. Elsewhere, the brony ToonKriticY2K made news for allegedly grooming a fourteen-year-old girl over the internet and soliciting explicit photos from her. These are the inherent dangers of making a children’s space “hypersexual and toxic,” as DeCarlo put it.>Kids’ TV animators have had many reactions to the proliferation of porn of their work over the years. Bemusement, amusement, winks and nudges. However, one reaction that’s been difficult to find has been condemnation. Whatever their opinion of it, they often shy away from such public pronouncements. Some may feel powerless to change the situation. Others could be taking a more pragmatic view. Why appear prudish or anger part of the fanbase when, most likely, it will have little-to-no effect on the speed of the porn creation?>In fact, if anything has changed since the early years of Rule 34, it’s been in the opposite direction. While groups like the bronies were making the connection between porn and kids’ TV animation almost mainstream, the link was growing inside the industry as well. Today, online porn, whether created by fans or by the staff themselves, hasn’t just become a normal part of the children’s TV community. It’s become acceptable.
>Going mainstream>More than at any time in history, creators are available to interact with fans online. And fans are more aware of them than ever. On sites like Fandom, they create lists of storyboarders and which episodes they’ve worked on. They maintain vast databases of the ins and outs of their favorite properties. And they keep up with creators’ social media accounts. Alex Hirsch of Gravity Falls has joked about the huge number of young children who contact him on Twitter — kids who see animators as “halfway between artists or Santa Claus.”>So what might a young cartoon fan of today discover when they venture online to engage with their favorite show?>Suppose a child liked the way that Batman looked in DC’s Justice League Action and wanted to find out who designed him. A quick name search on Google of the show’s lead character designer, a man who got his start at John Kricfalusi’s studio Spümcø, brings up a wall of his porn artwork. Meanwhile, the creator of Cartoon Network’s Mighty Magiswords currently follows porn artists and erotic models on his professional Twitter account that he uses to interact with fans. Because Twitter has spent years training its algorithm to close the gap between people you follow and the accounts they follow — whether through “Like” histories or random recommendations—this is enough to send such content into a kid’s feed.>Inside fan communities, it’s not just bronies who pump sexualized fan art into the mainstream anymore. Children’s cartoons like The Loud House — Nickelodeon’s hit show by Chris Savino — already have thriving groups of adult artists creating fetish art ranging from inflation to lolicon of the 6-year-old Lana Loud, all of which is accessible with an innocent Google search of her name. (Inflation, as cartoonist Ryan North explained for the adult website Oh Joy Sex Toy, is a sexual fetish involving people who swell like balloons.) On YouTube, viral videos like “Lynn X Lincoln💕” and “The Loud House Characters as Anime,” each weighing in at 2.2 million views, reimagine the show’s cast of children in disturbing ways. The former shows a post-coital scene between 11- and 13-year-old siblings as the sister wonders whether she could become pregnant.>Today, creators of sexual or outright pornographic fan works based on children’s TV often mingle with the official production staff. Consider Mike Inel: his hit video “What if ‘The Amazing World Of Gumball’ was an anime” boasts 33 million views and an endorsement from showrunner Ben Bocquelet himself. What Bocquelet may not have known is that Inel (aka manyakis) also openly has a career making hardcore porn based on Gumball, Gravity Falls — particularly 12-year-old protagonist Mabel Pines — and many other children’s TV properties.>The ascension of such artists into the mainstream animation industry is ongoing. Some of them got their start all the way back in the Rule 34 era.>A good example is ZONE-SAMA, one of the premier Rule 34 artists who has maintained popularity into the present day. ZONE rose to prominence by making extreme porn animations of children’s TV shows in the 2000s and 2010s, often with shockingly accurate recreations of each cartoon’s art style. Targets included Foster’s Home, My Life as a Teenage Robot — one of which features the gang rape of protagonist Jenny—Teen Titans and beyond. Since around 2016, one of ZONE’s recurring subjects has been Peridot, a child-like character from Cartoon Network’s Steven Universe. Around that time, ZONE was also hired to animate for Cartoon Network’s OK K.O.! Let’s Be Heroes.>And ZONE is part of a trend.>A surprising amount of the new blood in the animation industry got its start on Newgrounds, a content hosting and social media website where users can post their own games, music, drawings and videos. Since 1995, its community has been notable for its freewheeling anti-censorship spirit, shock-jockery, and, once again, porn. ZONE is one of its most iconic contributors. For the site that gave the internet post-9/11 Flash games, the “Barney Bunch” and interactive Rule 34 games starring 10-year-old Gwen Tennyson, the transition into mainstream animation is quite a leap.>Studio Yotta, a rising star in the animation industry, was founded by Newgrounders earlier this decade. It frequently employs freelancers from a hiring pool of Newgrounds alumni. Yotta has overcome its humble origins and managed to find work on things like ThunderCats Roar, OK K.O.! and even the opening animation to Disney’s new Amphibia. The company embodies the clan pride common to Newgrounders, a desire to stick together against the world, to maintain the common roots that tie them all together. When Yotta was hired to work on the OK K.O.! shorts, they brought ZONE along for the ride. Similarly, animators like the popular porn artist and ex-Newgrounder Ryan Miller contributed to Amphibia’s intro.>While many of the artists in Yotta’s orbit are simply struggling animators trying to get by, the Newgrounds diaspora is messy. Its tight-knit culture makes it hard to cut off the darker sectors of the community. A number of Yotta-connected artists (including the animator Chris O’Neill) still associate with Shadman, the most infamous porn artist from Newgrounds and perhaps the internet itself. Labeled by Gizmodo as “one of the alt-right’s favorite artists,” Shadman is the Rule 34 artist’s Rule 34 artist, a man who has complained of the legal troubles he faced for creating degrading porn based on the 12-year-old actress Dafne Keen from Logan. For years his work has put young girls from cartoons like The Loud House and Ben 10 in nightmarish and often inventively violent — even fatal — sexual situations.>The founders of Studio Yotta continue to follow Shadman on Twitter. Another Newgrounds alumnus with ties to Cartoon Network, Arin Hanson of Mighty Magiswords, has openly collaborated with him in the past. This is simply normal communal behavior for Newgrounds ex-pats, regularly done without a second thought. But it’s concerning when fringe online figures like Shadman and ZONE — also a Hanson collaborator — get so near to the mainstream children’s cartoons they pornographize for a living. It represents a sea change in what kids can expect to find in children’s animation communities, and, in some cases, maybe even in the shows themselves.https://medium.com/@brazyintheday/kids-tv-has-a-porn-problem-84592d9514fc
anon, this is not new. porn parodies of comic characters existed and were sold for cheap all the way back in the 1930s, called Tijuana Bibles, some featuring Popeye and Archie characters. The creator of Wonder Woman had a bondage fetish and a career in pinup (this may not be exact, I am just recalling trivia I amassed over the years). Disney employees too. Even early fan fiction zines were rife with what was essentially yaoi, some of which was explicit, and many fans have “graduated” to become industry workers, one example being Richard Williams who started as a fan and went out to seek tutoring from Disney’s Nine Old Men. To pretend adults aren’t the ones making cartoons is disingenuous. The problem really is more about content moderation and filtering online, and even then the tech giants play a part as much as the individual user (see: spiderman and Elsa videos just being allowed on YouTube unscathed). The individual’s part is making sure to tag appropriately and parents actually looking at what their brats are doing on their babysitting-substitute iPad. While I agree kids are seeing things they shouldn’t and I was one such kid, this whole article reads like moralfagging. Rule 34 was a term coined based on observation of people’s behaviour on the internet, not vice versa.
I’d much rather judge animator cows on shit like what Julia Vickerman did or Noelle Steven son’s disastrous love life, rather than just regular pervert monki behavior. Humans were scrawling sex and dick jokes on the walls of Pompeii, pretending this is new is just dumb
I agree with you, and maybe I phrased my point wrong. I do think the current accessibility is a problem; at the same time I know from boomers and Gen Xers I have talked to or read autobiographical material from that they still sought to access their uncle or dad’s hidden porn stash or fiddled with their tv antennas to access porn tv channels (which is not specifically cartoon coomershit, but it is coomershit) The taboo aspect and shock value is what gets some teens to keep looking at the content and some end up as coomers and others don’t. There’s more nuance and psychological/environmental factors to it than I think most people grant the topic.
My actual point is this article does not read like it’s addressing the actual problems- people using tech as surrogate entertainment or enrichment for their kids, tech giants not addressing the accessibility of content, everything being normalised instead of being properly flagged and contained to specific sites or tags- it just reads as “adults are doing freaky drawings and then they become ANIMATORS! Aren’t they all pedos!” Which for the most part, no, they aren’t. You will have your Julia Vickerman and your John Kricfalusi, but pedos can exist and take shelter in any industry (priests, even). The overall vibe of the article is similar to “videogames cause violence” rhetoric, which to me draws attention away from other dangers.
I dunno, I just don’t think it is correct to want to sanitize artists. I do think boundaries must be enforced and if you’re gonna draw coomershit, especially Rule 34, it’s your responsibility to keep it completely separate and block underage users if you for example have a separate account for it, but pretending the drawings by themselves are a danger, when explicit art has existed for so much of human history, feels like an oversimplification.
Hell even from a lolcow standpoint I find shit like what Dan Harmon does to be way milkier kek
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>“I say bring it on”>The most high-profile figure to hop from the online Rule 34 scene into children’s TV, though, isn’t ZONE or anyone else from Newgrounds. Surprisingly, it’s the creator of one of Cartoon Network’s largest hits this decade: Rebecca Sugar, showrunner for Steven Universe.>Steven Universe over the years.>Sugar got her start in cartoon fan communities during the 2000s, posting fan art to social networks like LiveJournal. Way back in 2007, her technical skill caught the eye of Cartoon Brew’s Amid Amidi — who also reported on the “disturbing” nature of much of Sugar’s work at the time. Specifically, Sugar created Rule 34 art. Among other things, she drew comics that portray the awkward, vulnerable sexual encounters of preteen characters from the Cartoon Network show Ed, Edd n Eddy. The work, which is still floating around the internet, fixates on the inexperience and uncertainty of its subjects, on the uncomfortable blurred lines of sex at a young age.>But Amidi’s prediction that Sugar had “a bright future” came true. Just two years later, in 2009, she was hired to Adventure Time as a storyboarder, and she quickly made the jump to showrunner status with Steven Universe. For an artist from the online underground scene, it was a rare honor.>Critics have hailed Steven Universe as a new standard in storytelling, emotional complexity and representation in kids’ TV. It made history as the first children’s cartoon to portray a same-sex wedding. Sugar was able to do this by very smartly creating characters who would allow her to bypass the old-fashioned censors of LGBTQ+ content at Cartoon Network. While the alien race in the show — the Gems — identify as female, they are technically genderless holograms projected by living rocks. This distinction allows the show to explore many different aspects of gender and sexual orientation usually rendered off-limits by the old guard of children’s TV.>However, at the same time, the appearance of many Gems as very young — though they are technically hundreds or thousands of years old — is used to explore sexual situations involving child-like characters.>Gems in Steven Universe can fuse, a dance-like activity that allows two or more of them to form a single, larger being. The show uses fusion as a metaphor for many things — friendship, romance, companionship. But it’s also used at times as a rather blatant metaphor for sex. Take fusion scenes like the one in “Sexy Fuse,” a YouTube upload with 4.3 million views. It’s thinly-veiled enough that many of the kids in the comments openly (via abundant emoji and confused typing) express discomfort with it. This makes fusion somewhat alarming when it’s mixed with Steven Universe’s younger-looking and -acting characters.>Peridot, despite being an alien, looks and acts just like a child. Her unique mannerisms have been hailed by fans as an all-time-great example of neuroatypical representation in children’s cartoons.>One scene from the episode “Log Date 7 15 2” is a good example. The character Garnet invites the younger and less worldly Peridot, a Gem who has never fused before and is uneasy about the idea, to fuse with her and learn what all the fuss is about. The child-like Gem tumbles backwards, blushing and flustered at the come-on. Uncertain at first, Peridot works up her courage and decides to go through with it. Garnet puts on music and Peridot straps paint cans to her feet to keep up with her taller partner. But Peridot’s inexperience and awkwardness quickly leave her overwhelmed, and she calls off the fusion before it’s finished.>In another episode, the half-Gem protagonist Steven goes to the beach with his romantic interest — a 12-year-old human girl named Connie who’s two years his junior. While flirting, they accidentally fuse into the more mature-looking Stevonnie. Steven’s Gem mentor Pearl declares this “inappropriate,” but Stevonnie states that it “feels amazing.” Later, though, the two halves of Stevonnie have a moment of uncertainty. “Are you okay? We can stop, if you…” says one side.>One of the most disquieting plotlines related to fusion comes when Pearl, under false pretenses, tricks Garnet into fusing with her multiple times. Pearl says that she “couldn’t help” herself, and continues, “When we fuse, I can feel what it’s like to be you… confident and secure and complete.” Her actions lead Garnet to split into two halves — each one a smaller Gem with a preteen appearance — who struggle to deal with the fallout of pseudo-sexual betrayal. Child-like characters are placed once again into a vulnerable position in a landscape of blurred lines and uncertain boundaries. In the end, Pearl is accepted back into the fold with no lasting repercussions.>These aren’t the usual adult jokes buried in subtext for the grown-ups in the room. They aren’t even jokes — they’re explorations of troubling themes, executed in often-troubling ways. Despite the merits of Steven Universe, and despite its progressive handling of gender and sexual orientation, the show’s missteps into disturbing territory can’t simply be brushed aside.>But Steven Universe was a hit with the internet. Like My Little Pony, Cartoon Network’s show has drawn an online fanbase of adults outside its core demographic. And this fan community, like the bronies, has become notorious for filling the internet with porn in every configuration, especially of young-looking characters like Peridot. To call this environment hypersexual is almost an understatement. Google Images is a minefield, and any attempt to engage with Steven Universe on social media quickly runs into an endless river of erotica.>The comparison between the two fanbases wasn’t lost on certain spectators, including Ian Jones-Quartey, co-showrunner of Steven Universe and romantic partner of Rebecca Sugar. In 2015, he shared a fan comic on the subject and remarked that it was “exactly” how the situation looked to the show’s team:>At the time, the Steven Universe fandom was attempting to drive bronies from the show’s online communities. Jones-Quartey highlighted the comic’s message that the two fandoms had more things in common with each other than not.>His remark was already a step beyond the general silence that the My Little Pony staff has maintained about the porn culture around their show. But Jones-Quartey went further a minute later. In a since-deleted follow-up tweet, he seemingly supported the fans’ work: “not that i have anything against risqué fanart btw. I love it all, even the gross stuff. it’s fun!”>Jones-Quartey’s comment was in line with his past statements on the subject. The director — himself a veteran of Newgrounds, and now in charge of OK K.O.! on Cartoon Network — has encouraged fans on Twitter to push the envelope with their fan art. In a three-tweet thread from 2014, he remarked that the Steven Universe writer’s room “is waaaay sicker than stuff I see on tumblr.” He drew a comparison between himself and what he termed the “gross nerds” in the community, writing, “My complaint with most weird fanart I see is usually ‘This isn’t going far enough.’ ”>When a fan noted that the director’s words could soon be “ringing through the abyss and awakening some heretofore unimaginable fanart monster,” he received this reply from Jones-Quartey: “I say bring it on.”>Ian Jones-Quartey’s tweet thread from August 2014.>The words and actions of high-ranking figures in the children’s animation industry help to set the tone for what’s acceptable there. Jones-Quartey clearly means no harm to anyone with his statements — but the problem is that kids’ TV shows like Steven Universe and OK K.O.! are for kids. If these were adult animated series being surrounded by cultures of extreme porn art, it would mean something entirely different. But that simply isn’t the case. Shows like Steven Universe have to take into account, both in their content and their surrounding culture, that they exist primarily for children.>Just as with My Little Pony, there are kids watching Steven Universe and kids looking to engage with it online. There are kids joining social media for the purpose of interacting with the creators of these cartoons or participating in the fan cultures around them. Showrunners like Jones-Quartey and Sugar create work responsible, in some ways, for drawing children into online communities. That’s the reality of making a mainstream cartoon today. The question is, are kids being drawn to safe spaces? Or is the fan community around kids’ cartoons like Steven Universe a “hypersexual and toxic environment,” where kids and adults mingle and boundaries disappear?>The Steven Universe brand has similarly attracted its share of questionable collaborators. Japan’s Studio Trigger — an animation company that’s gained notoriety in the United States for raunchy sex comedies starring underage girls — lent Steven Universe a senior animator for one key sequence. (OK K.O.! has continued the love affair.) Studio Trigger’s mascots, dubbed the “Trigger Girls,” include a prepubescent child in a very small bikini. Trigger often hires erotic artists to illustrate these characters: here’s one such image (NSFW) available one click away from its main page as of this writing. The great irony is that Trigger’s senior staff includes at least one brony, Yoh Yoshinari.>This is to say nothing of the controversial fan artist “Purple Kecleon,” hired by Boom! Studios as a cover illustrator for the official Steven Universe comic series. Kecleon’s infamous porn fan works have typically featured Pokémon and other small animals, such as My Little Pony characters (“foals” included), rendered with infant characteristics. Even before Kecleon was hired, the artist had posted publicly — on one of several Tumblr accounts they acknowledged as their own — about their overriding interest in porn that depicts “innocence being broken.”>The public flirtation of children’s media with artists like these doesn’t just risk exposing kids to porn — it normalizes the entire idea of hypersexuality being present in children’s spaces, often in its most extreme forms. The trends I’ve described above are larger than any person or group of people in the children’s animation industry. It’s a systemic problem that will only grow if it’s left unaddressed.>Just business>The spread of porn based on children’s shows, and the upcycling of porn artists from this scene into mainstream children’s animation, isn’t some kind of grand conspiracy. It’s mostly the byproduct of what was simplest from a business perspective.
>All of which makes creators in the children’s animation industry seem out-of-touch when they shrug off fan-made porn. “People can do whatever they want with these characters,” Alex Hirsch said about the cast of Gravity Falls in 2015. “It’s not like I get upset about it! I’m just amused; I don’t care. Keep being weird — be weirder!” Here he echoes Jones-Quartey’s remarks in defense of Steven Universe’s porn artists. >The question of porn based on children’s animation is now much bigger than what consenting adults do in their private lives. Is it really harmless fun when kids stumble across lolicon artwork of their favorite cartoon characters — characters they see themselves in? Is the internet really better off when tens of millions of kids watch fetish animations by “secretgoombaman12345” that show Steven Universe, My Little Pony and Gravity Falls characters inflating like blimps and bursting?>And how is it wrong for companies like Hasbro and Cartoon Network — even as they continue to allow most fan artists to provide them with free advertising — to enforce their copyright when it comes to extreme or disturbing porn based on their children’s properties? Would the world truly be a worse place if Derpibooru didn’t have a “Foalcon” section?>This is a systemic problem. It can be solved, but only if the children’s animation industry collectively realizes the responsibility it has to its young fans. This is much bigger than individual people, bigger than whichever unfortunate scapegoats a corporation might “cancel” to save its reputation and preserve the status quo. When Cartoon Network as a whole plays footsie with Shadman, when Hasbro turns a blind eye to brony toxicity, these actions have consequences. These companies — not at the showrunner level, but at the highest corporate and legal echelons — have allowed the problems in their communities to grow to this size. And only these companies can decide whether they want kids’ TV to be a safe space for kids again.
This is the dumbest take and reaching I’ve ever seen and I hate coomer art of children properties.
You can tell the person writing this didn’t even freelance anywhere.
Why do people think artist only work at one studio at once and never anywhere else? Yes the same people who just wrapped up working on a Disney feature film are also creating Rick and Morty episodes at the same time.
It’s like being surprised a writing who wrote for a kids show at the beginning of their career now scriptwriters for euphoria.
And this is why cartoon fans on Twitter who sperg about the porn and try to get people "cancelled" but never @ actual professionals/animators are disingenuous to me. The same people they suck the dicks of are all doing the exact same shit they write callouts for. They know it, don't care and keep supporting it
Cartoonists are degenerates. Most cartoons have degenerate messaging. If we want to be honest, the conservative Christians were kind of right, but it's too late to go back now, and 99% of the young people complaining are complete hypocrites. All that can be done is try to protect real children, criticize Google/Twitter/etc and demand better safeguarding so coomer shit isn't the first result when you try to find out about cartoons. It's the kind of thing that should just be kept underground, because you can't actually put sanctions on what people choose to draw/animate in most countries and expect it to work
i hate 3d animation but this is why i respect the movie frozen. it respected children/didn't assume they are retarded, and didn't teach them that wallowing in the fact that your family GASP - MADE SOME MISTAKES!!!1 is a personality.
princess and the frog was sick too, because the girl's goal is to have a career/do wtf she wants/be fucking based, and the prince gets a job as a waiter at her restaurant at the end.
it's not hard to make stuff for kids without obsessing over your own slightly shitty first world childhood.
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coomers who mastrubate to children cartoon's getting triggered
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Anyone else see this for the 20 minutes it was up before it was deleted
>>1497220>Medium "article">seems to copy-paste the entire thing
Is this a self post>>1497247
lmao hate to tell you this but humans HAVE always been horny and making porn, what do you think Venus of Willendorf is? Welcome to reality, good luck trying to bend it to your will
what are we supposed to think of this lmao
it literally just reads the same as that chick who is obsessed with the game grumps guy, the one who swears up and down that neil gaiman stole her likeness.
lol, reminds me of that time some random chick swore RIOT games stole her likeness to design Seraphine. The champion looked like your generic Instagram influencer and everyone just mocked her being stupid.
I haven't watched Gravity Falls either but wasn't this character just brought on for a one off episode anyway? What relation/history does she have with Alex Hirsh?
Thanks for giving an honest answer. Sadly, I agree that SU Future wasn't great, and the highest point of the series was definitely the movie (and it could have ended there just fine). But overall, Steven Universe embodies everything I love about animation, everything I loved about animation growing up, and even though I watched it as a grown-ass adult, there were many times when I thought that I really could have used that show when I was a teen.
This thread though, my god. I agree so fucking much that the people that produce a lot of these shows are garbage, and a lot of the shows too regressive and referential (and I'm obviously saying that knowing how referential Steven Universe is), but like, damn people, I really want to know why you're so invested in Western Animation to post in this thread when you seem to loathe all of it.
Also, I fucking love American Dad. Most underrated adult series of all time.
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The people who write/design/board the shows don’t animate them. They’re paid crazy American union wages to write this stuff and then ship it out to Korea/India where the actual POC
they claim to love in their shows get paid pennies to animate them. Picrel shows a weekly wage for a young board artist in USA, whereas the annual
wage for an animator in India is less than 3500$. Sorry for wage sperg, just shows that these « woke » industry chuds preach shit on Twitter while taking advantage of some of the worlds poorest people. They wouldn’t have survived in studio 100 years ago because you had to actually work hard to move anywhere up the pipeline
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So after months of whoring out her body on Patreon, Kate Leth finally got her long-awaited "top surgery." I'm just waiting for the day she starts regretting the surgery. https://www.instagram.com/p/CcOEXjbJVTc/
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She actually identifies as non-binary which I somehow find more mentally ill than if she just identified as a FtM tranny. The amount of cope in this comic kek. She made this less than a week prior to her surgery too.
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She talks this about this a story post on Instagram, "TS Approval", if you're interested. Basically though, it seems like Canadian healthcare covers it if you go through a long process. I find it sad that her therapist found her "well enough" to undergo this when she only found out she has BPD less than a year ago.
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this woman's instagram is hilarious, the comics are all just her coping. she's engaged to a man but talks about being queer all the time even though it seems like when it is the time to act on said queerness she bails out holy shit lmao
“I Faked Being Trans [to get a hysterectomy] & Have No Regrets”https://youtu.be/JMJH6IGOsMo
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yes. she’s currently engaged to cohen edenfield, former homestuck writer.
that "probably not" and "pretty sure" are doing a lot of heavy lifting there. anyway the point is you and >>1499040
are all out here REEEEing because you can't stop people from making horny cartoons and it makes me lol.>>1498927>>1499020
Nobody here hates animation, everyone ITT is a sperg completely obsessed with it. They probably consume more TV animation than your average animator. For your question I'd suggest you watch Bob's Burgers but I doubt you'd be interested.
Why do you think I wouldn't be interested in Bob's Burgers? I've seen it all and adore that show.
Cartoons are my thing, man. Pure and simple.
Canada fag here; it's NOT a long process
I know a woman who trooned out and she was booked for top surgery within WEEKS of identifying as trans, during a PANDEMIC where "non-essential" surgeries were being cancelled or postponed due to lack of facilities and staff
sage for blogging and non-contrib
Why'd you dodge >>1499950
lol? There is absolutely no evidence that the Venus of Willendorf statue was ancient porn btw
Good for you sticking to your guns, anon. I think of Steven Universe pretty fondly actually.
I've really seen almost every modern cartoon I've thought was either fun or nice get shit on in this thread. Like, I enjoyed Bojack, Inside Job, Arcane, and Smiling Friends equally as much. I'm fond of them; they made me happy. I unironically enjoy Rick and Morty because I really like the characters, and I think the two leads' dynamic is weirdly adorable and fun due to how absurd they are, so I guess that's technically my favorite at the moment. I fucking hate most of the fanbase and avoid reading comments if I can though. My rule of thumb is if I like it, I like it. I can dislike some aspects or arcs of an animated work, but I'm not sure if I can reach the same vitriol as some passionate anons here sometimes. Can't talk shit about an arc I didn't like in a show anywhere else though, so.
Not that anon but I can kinda see what they mean. The BASE premise of SU could have been deep and really gone into the ACTUAL horrors and existentialism caused by the gems existing and maybe even shown other non-earthling being other than just gems that could be shown as a form of 'livestock' or something making it so there was more variation in threat. The things that SU touches on could have been actually interesting if it wasnt all 'oh but it's solved by uwu love is all that matters' or ruined by 'oh lets just compare everything to something that will give us woke points'
I feel like the first time steven and connie fuse should have caused an actual trauma or at least a crisis in Connie. She's a human and her mind is melded with her friend and she becomes a whole different person but we're just shown this as a 'teehee cute and touching' bonding thing? For the gems it makes sense cause they've been doing it for decades but a human girl just being totally chill with that? It doesnt help that the general consensus is that fusing is almost an allegory to sex (or is poorly presented to the point where people think that) so its just all around handled super poorly.
There's so many plot points that are treated the same way that COULD have been amazing in better hands but they were too busy pushing a weird 'love is love and it fixes everything even genocide teehee!' narrative to do that.
i mean steven is practically a child soldier fighting against alien invaders lol like steven universe begins as a simple story of a young boy living with space aliens and who together battle against alien creatures which seems like harmless simple fun like you expect from a cartoon but actually battling against alien creatures isn't just simple adventures and fun but the characters are actually emotional wrecks for their own reasons and the main character is the reincarnation of his own damn mother and has to face all the expectations that causes and his mother's murky history.
it honestly is kinda similar story to nge but different enough to be it's own thing, and there is that very fucked up emotional absolutely insane shit there like vid related
and nonita posted this before me but yeah >>1500227
basically what i mean too, like if the deep fucked up shit and the emotion stuff was actually genuinely deep it could have been really influential. now there are emotions and so called deepness but something is just left hollow with it.
and sometimes when the show references itself and not just anime it does sometimes show genuine, actual emotion. like this scene here, for the whole show steven has had to deal with being half gem, half human, being his own mother, not really being his own mother, self doubt, not feeling enough, and then in the climax of the show we finally see steven's human side and gem side come together, do that laughing fusion hug/dance ruby and sapphire did, which showed how much they love each other, this time showing how steven loves himself and how that love makes him become a full person.
all the stuff that could make this really good show is there but it just end sup feeling half done.
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Yep. I don’t think SU is bad; I think it’s good, but flawed. Similar to Rick and Morty, I think of the earlier seasons somewhat more sentimentally due to nostalgia, and of course, there were scenes in every season that made my jaw drop.
I was so excited at the PD reveal. I appreciated what it tried to do. Reading Rebecca Sugar’s interviews, like what the Ruby/Sapphire/Garnet relationship is meant to really mean for them even though it was one of the weaker relationships to the show, changed my impression of her. I own the art books, and Rebecca Sugar has a good head on her shoulders. She’s very clever in my opinion, has great ideas, and I love her art. But her and the staff’s storytelling is executed so hamfistedly half the time. The show really suffers from telling > showing sometimes because it wants to convey these great ideas, but they don’t know how.
I think the staff was overly ambitious, and perhaps in a different timeline it could’ve been perfected. But it is what it is, and we got what we got. I for sure wanted it to be the NGE of this generation, which may be stupid, but a lot of its world-building totally made it open to that.
and i have never watched the future series because i never really was a steven universe fan, i just watched the original series because i heard so many people hating on it so i wanted to see what all the fuss was about and it was way better what i expected
I wouldn't call it fake. I just don't think that she's very good at portraying at mutually reciprocated lesbian relationships.
Other than what's going on between Vi and Caitlyn, I've rarely found genuinely authentic and compatible lesbian pairings in modern animation and independent works. Most suffer a lot from that, "uwu sapphic girls eating ice cream and holding hands" puritanism.
IMHO I think she peaks at portraying a onesided love/affection in terms of lesbianism. I know people shat on Pearl all the time because she got a lot more development and attention than the other gems and was constantly crying about Rose, but for me, it hit really close to home. Some people said she probably related to Pearl more than any of the CGs, so it explained why Pearl felt more developed.
the show was a writers nightmare. And I hate the trope of "We can't forgive bullies but we can forgive the space nazi's who committed global genocide"
The redemption arcs for these shows are always too much. They did the same with My little pony. Where the racist pony and the dictator pony was forgiven, but a pony who cheated once gets zero chance of redemption from the main cast. What kind of lesson is that? The only show that did this well was adventure time. Started off cute, but got a bit more serious
Ugh same. I hated that Rebecca stuck with that Rose was Pink Diamond trash so the Diamonds can be forgiven because Steven was really one of them with pulling that "we're family, they were sad" shit>>1500882
Funny how Rebecca also jumped on the "I'm a non-binary woman" bandwagon as well
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She fucking got rid of her nipples too.
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she never hid the fact, she publicly revealed her relationship to Ian-jones in 2014 and they got married in 2018, she does identity however as "queer and non-binary"
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Not my best explanation, but I'll give it a shot.
Lauren Zuke was a storyboard artist who was controversial for her ship bias influencing the direction of two characters in the show, namely Lapis and Peridot. This pissed off Amethyst/Peridot shippers and just some fans in general for apparently queerbaiting and unprofessionally forcing her personal ships into someone else's work. She's also the one largely responsible for the deadpan, dull Lapis characterization and gave her the messy hair she had for quite a while. This enraged fans for making Lapis (and Peridot, to an extent) OOC, as Peridot turned into Lapis's personal caretaker and unconditional emotional support doll, and Lapis turned into someone she was not like at all during her first appearances. Aka, a now bitter and sarcastic artist, much like Lauren herself.
This all accumulated into Lauren Zuke being fired and discoveries such as Lauren Zuke's personal tumblr where she was found calling her work environment abusive
, referring to her former boss Rebecca Sugar as a narcissist, and general fandom shipping grumblings. Her final say on the matter was, "i tried to put a healthy queer relationship into media and it got uprooted and destroyed".
I think Rebecca was also fine with doing the pairing as well but she really didn't like the direction Zuke took it to; but god when all of this came out and I was wondering why Lapis wasn't herself and was just randomly semi cool with the Crystal gems instead of the show have Lapis calling out the Crystal gems(except Amethyst) and Rose Diamond shady motives during the Earth gem war and why she didn't trust them.
Found it funny how Zuke after all this just later trooned out
When you get a limb cut off your brain still thinks its there and can't cope, it can feel like its still there and in pain. Especially because things like fingers and toes have a ton of nerves and your brain spends a lot of time on them. It's maddening, you have to go to therapy for it.
Nipples also have a lot of nerves, they're an eroginous zone, your brain thinks they are very important. So when your nipples are gone your brain can't cope and thinks theres something wrong and your nips are being hurt somehow, your brain still makes you feel that pain even though there are no nips.
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Holy shit,, I knew about zuke’s ship bias, but I had no idea it was borderline cow behavior. This explains so much why peridot basically got turned into a meme and lapis’s complete personality change that fans back then tried to excuse as “trauma”
I wonder if Zucke may have also been to blame why RS didn’t develop jasper and lapis (their fusion was supposed to represent a toxic
relationship) nor give them any closure. They just had that ONE confrontation and then they never interacted ever again.
Is a shame if that was the case because that ship was the only mildly interesting one because it wasn’t “uwu lesbians”
Never understood how people saw Lapis literally chaining Jasper under the ocean twice, saw Lapis drag Jasper underwater with her despite Jasper screaming and trying to pull away, and somehow concluded that Jasper was the abuser.
NGL I did like seeing their fanart, though. It was pretty fascinating seeing the dynamic of this lanky, smaller chick against a clearly bigger and buff one, but Lapis was really the one with all the power.
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Seeing a lot of animation Twitter ppl say this. What’s going on?
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This is so stupid lol yeah you can’t wear any of these with breasts huh
Oh shit my bad, I’m on mobile
Beg ur pardon all
Don’t care, you’re afraid of what you want, Jasper is best gem, and I want to be carried up and down the stairs by her. >>1501945
Why would she cut off her tits if she’s still female-presenting? With her pigtails at 33 I would think she wanted to be 12 again.
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They really did have some of the best fan art indeed
I hate how the fandom kept woobyfying lapis as some poor defenseless baby. Justice 4 bad bitch lapis!
It's because Jasper is big and butchy (bad) and Lapis is small and thin (good). Hope this helps!
(Well ok jasper was literally antagonistic, but also fandom in general for all its uwu inclusion talk will always prioritize skinny and attractivr characters)
I see your point but Steven Universe is very uniquely shit to me because despite of all the decent setup it had albeit most of it not being original in the first place, it not only banks on the imagination of more creative people but it spread itself too thin trying to espouse a message of forgiveness and extending it to the unforgivable rather than the comparatively minuscule wrongdoings of way less horrible people. This could have been solved with lower stakes and setting the tone to be lighter rather than going all out with gems being semi organic robot beings made to serve their oligarchs and the season 2 finale of Jasper and Peridots introduction; which was AWESOME but in hindsight was not a good decision considering where the show went from that point onward and funnily enough when I stopped watching when I was younger. Adventure time had the opposite problem in season 5(?)but both perpetrated by the same person; Rebecca Sugar.
Avatar the last air bender is treated as an anomaly in animation because it was able to tell a mature story or having mature themes but so have shows like Static Shock, Spectacular Spider-Man, and Captain Planet, all of which to me deserve to be revered as staples for their time which I think are even more enjoyable now considering the absolute state of modern cartoons. No one in the industry wants to admit it but it is in what I can only describe as in a depressing limbo. Where cartoons are being consumed at high rates but being pumped out at light speed with none of the love or attention to detail put in because of shitty conditions, shitty people riding a high of nepotism, and those same people writing about themselves in not-so covert narcissism.
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i cannot with Kate Leth’s nonsensical self-hate right now, before this there was a video of her new hairdo which was also decidedly feminine. What planet is this woman on? I guarantee that this “muppet tube top” fits and looks best WITH BOOBS to hold it up unless your lack of boobs comes from being runway model skinny, which Kate Leth is not.
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it makes sense when you realize she doesn't consider breasts to be similar part of the human body like a hand or a toe would be, and she really isn't the only one. she views boobs as some sort of separate accessories, as like these random cutlets of meat that have no actual purpose in our body but which just exist as some sort of aesthetic things that you can just take off if you don't like them or make them bigger or whatever.
no one in their right mind would cut off their finger or remove a ear because they think their bodies would look more right without them or because they think having no ear would be a cool fashion statement because they view those as internal parts of their bodies, but because boobs aren't really viewed that way in general but as just some sexy accessories women carry around for no particular reason people don't view amputating them as a big deal.
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This is so fucking disgusting.
Jasper put herself into that situation to begin with by making Lapis fuse with her. Hard to feel much sympathy for her when her own dumbass choices caused her to suffer. Play stupid games win stupid prizes and all. The only time I felt sympathy for Jasper was when Pink Diamond was revealed as a rebellion larper who wouldn't have given two shits about her devotion. That sucks I guess.
Lapidot's a bad pairing too imo. Zuke's tumblr meltdown was hilarious after the fact.
Speaking of childbirth; I love how nether Rebecca can describe how Pink Diamond was able to give birth to Steven, let alone, get pregnant since gems are made of light other than just saying "well diamonds are super OP, so Pink was the only gem to have the strength to do it because of that"(kinda creepy that the diamond who acts/has a mind like that of a child is used for this).
Man how they ruined Rose and Pink character by making them the same gem. Rebecca and Ian so desperate to make a "LOL DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING" twist that they broke they're own rules like Pink can just change her color palette when she shapeshifted into Rose instead of using her own color palette because "oh that would have gave away the "twist"" when it really wouldn't have(and folks saw it way back in season fucking 1 anyways) and that they "planned" this twist long ago when really, they came up with the idea for it but didn't know how to do it in a good way and got the mess that happened + other stuff.
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no because gayle is based and appreciates the female body
ewwwww I hadn’t thought of this before but it’s so true>>1503505
there’s something weird going on here where Kate Leth and women like her want to get rid of lewd slutty chestballs so they never get raep, but at the same time want to channel new fresh flat loli chest and be smol and desirable in that way
fuck this pathetic sad fucked up shit
There's a ton of grown women online who do this shit too, talking about "flat being justice" and bragging about looking like they're twelve at thirty or some shit.
Then it's that they're 5'2" and have a round face shape, and all their "baby fat" is really just fat. Kate Leth hasn't looked desirable in years.
Rumor has it, someone said that Rose shapeshifted a womb into her which imo only raises more questions than it answers.
And holy shit was the pink diamond twist dumb. "uh yeah pink diamond disguised her gem to look like a rose quartz despite the fact those are two completely different gems and gems identify each other by gemstone uh oops we didn't think this through we were too focused on trying to outsmart the audience."
the nepotism gang is full of hacks
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What the fuck
I didn't know she was that infamous staff member on HGS. I just thought she was a random storyboard artist who cut off her tits.
This! Its even more dumb that nobody, not even the Diamonds' gem scanner technology could tell that's Steven's gem was really Pink Diamond gem and not a rose quartz gem at the trial(but yet the Pink's little pebbles gang knew it was Pink's gem like huh?). >>1505486
That too. No way that Pink would cut half of her powers down as Rose even when fused but you know the crew's bad writing, doing half ass gem research; but since the gems were fusing with a diamond/half diamond this whole time, I wonder what the real gem fusions' names would be (like Rainbow Quartz is really Rainbow Diamond? or Smokey Quartz is really Chocolate/Brown Diamond, etc)
holy shit look how cute she was before, that SUCKS
what was she infamous for on HGS?
The “shapeshifting a womb” thing doesn’t explain how a non-organic alien from a species of glorified vocaloids got enough genetic material to make a new human. Takes more than just an artificial womb to do that. I guess the gender brainrot running rampant in the western animation industry might have erased their knowledge of how babies are made.
The nature of Steven and what actually happened to Rose upon his birth was a big mystery in the show and a pretty interesting concept. Whether or not he was a real person or just a new version of his mom was an existential crisis the show set up but never really followed through on in a satisfying way to me. How much of rose is he really?
Everyone involved with HGS is a cow is all. At least everyone on the writing and production team.
She used to be kinda cool. I liked ‘Kate or Die’ several years ago. Like a lot of women in her field she started off as a fairly normal libfem then got sucked into the cult of woke retards. It probably doesn’t help that she got a soft-cancellation a few years ago (for nothing serious, just being too much of a successful white woman for their taste) and probably needed some reclaim some more oppression points to keep her career afloat.
Eventually being surrounded by they/thems in an echo chamber broke her BPD brain and peer pressured her into thinking chopping her tits off was a good idea. That environment is so incredibly toxic
for people with an actual pathological fear of being rejected.
>>1505626>just being too much of a successful white woman for their taste) and probably needed some reclaim some more oppression points to keep her career afloat.
I have this shitty view that white libfems like her always end up parading around the most broken mental illnesses, obscure physical ailments, and some nonbinary identity (despite dressing like a little girl) because they need some way to feel more oppressed than anybody. After all, they have nothing else. She's always airing out her dirty laundry just like them as if it's a beautiful thing to be depraved, like in >>1216664
. It's not like she's "never aged past 12, 14, 17" or whatever some of these people say when they feel broken, it's just that like them, she chooses not to grow up. Too much work.
Part of me does feel sorry, because it does seem like she was totally normal years ago, but she spent way too much time around people who think to be special, they gotta be as ugly inside and out as possible.
That's kind of the point of the show though, isn't it? It's a metaphor for people in general. How much are you of your mom? Are you really your own person?
Yes it was a bit unsatisfying overall to not get the answers to some of these sticking points, but at this point I feel it's like asking "why was there a block of ice in Edward Scissorhand's backyard? Why did his maker give him scissors and not hands?"
It's just not the point.
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pedo-fanart of our shows meant for children doesn't for far enough
I really don't think it makes sense to link it to lolishit, which is a scrote thing, and not to ideals of being a flat androgynous prince, which geek girls love. I don't think I've ever seen anyone but obvious teen pickmes say shit like "flat is justice."
Tbh I think >>1505626
has a major point here: KL has taken a ton of shit for being a visible woman. Like she's not perfect, she's said some dumb shit, but I've been in comics for years and she absolutely became a punching bag in a way men never do. And tbh this is why I think this pov >>1505774
is a real misread. I think it's really satisfying to conceive of women like KL as overgrown idiot womanchildren who have no real problems, but the truth is every subculture loves to shit on women, and she sees nb shit as a way out, though probably not consciously. I mean jesus, look at the people in this thread acting like she's some disgusting gremlin because she gained some weight. I hate the trends she represents, but if we can't have some compassion for her, Noelle Stevenson, etc, we will literally never escape this shit.
Not only is that environment toxic
to BPDs, troon art circles are noxious to anyone with the slightest bit of sadbrains, and even healthy people. The constant grinding hatred of "cis" womanhood, "cis" girls, and femininity for women, dismissing any sad feelings you might have as a girl, and validation/uplifting being reserved for trans only, are toxic
like radiation. It's covert and tiring and you can't really call it out because then you'll be treated as an attention whore.
The haircut is especially true, the gender special hair styles look terrible on everyone and tend to highlight stuff like weak chins/doughy face like >>1505490
Had a woke hairstylist once give me the medieval bowl cut like hers. I wouldn't leave the house without a wig on for a year.
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“we’ve both decided that there is a gay man somewhere in our souls” this’s from an old old journal entry on deviantart from Lizbeth R. Jimenez about her meet up with Raye the HGS creator when she was still a teen.
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Dana got roofied at a bar. (1/3)
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And had to get appendix surgery. Hope she’s doing okay. (3/3)
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>here’s to a summer of obnoxious hotness
Id give anything for that tea
Hope she finds a cool girlfriend tbh