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The latest alt cows thread, for all the attention seekers, grifters, and other assorted idiots in the alternative community.
Most recent cows:
Orlee Stewart & J.D. Temple
The Witchy Goths
Of Herbs and Altars (Dorian)
Avelina de Moray (Megan Blume)
Jake & Kaya (Toxic
…and other cows who are discussed but not necessarily producing significant or frequent milk
>beware of racebait from lost nazis and derailing, overly zealous whiteknights looking to score points with their sacred cow(s)
>no1curr about what is or isn’t goth or who is or isn’t goth, we have this fucking discussion every goddamn thread and it is getting annoying
>farmers are free to use the TT thread at their discretion as it was created to stop the sperging/infighting in the main altcows discussion from the TT spammers.
last thread: >>>/snow/1071952
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Thank you Anon!
Also, Dorian is dealing with the backlash with her usual restraint.
You're welcome anon! Worried I was gonna get shit for making a new thread but no one else bothered to.
Also "i'll apologise for being born if thats what it takes" I really do think now a lot of this is calculated so she can play victim
. She also made remarks about how lolitas were all trying to look Asian and yet shes being delt with kid gloves, she really has no idea how good shes got it.
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Seconded. Thanks Anon.
Clearly, there's no way Kaya can be expected to put out videos.
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>>1194231>I apologise for being born
KEK why do you have to be so dramatic? Just hold yourself accountable for once.
That post just goes on and on and on, in that classical manner kek (pic related)
>Bullies! How dare you bring up your valid points of criticism to someone with mental health issues, ya'll murderers!
Calling someone out for their constant hypocrisy and double standards, and overall giving constructive criticism isn't bullying, nor being a murderer, Dorian.
There's so much melodramatic talk about how these 'meanies' are taking her uwu safe space away with their nasty remarks, but somehow it doesn't occur to her for one second, that maybe MAYBE on the other side of the 'argument' there are people with mental health issues too, who perhaps find their
safe space in a scene or fashion movement, and her making a mockery of it and shitting all over the values said group stands by might be making them
hurt and depressed too, and feeling like their safe space was jeopardised by the army of ddlg pervs or what not sent their way by her. She's such a massive hypocrite and cry baby. Dude, you're 35.>>1194113
Thank you, Anon!
kek that was most definitely from the same 'night' she 'recorded some videos' and 'sat down to edit' and 'ended up hating the footage' all in the span of 19 minutes, as it was posted in the other thread >>1191390
Lazy arse exploited the same lie twice on 2 different platforms topkek.
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Fagsfail has been quoting Evola a lot in his posts.
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For some context on what that entails…
Actually, wikipedia is being mild. This guy writes some fucked up, exterminist shit.
I find half it hard to believe and there so boring to listen too lol. I notice she describes things in such fine detail And that’s how you catch most liars out they will go in such detail to make it seam more believable >>1194278
kaya just irritates me like just tell the truth for once you didn’t bother filming it Is more believable then the bullshit comments she comes out with. Or make your life easier and just stop being a YouTube then you wouldn’t have all this ‘stress’ she claimes to have from filming all the time
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Dorians dramatic lolita whining continued
what a surprise, him going full stormfront when?
He probably thinks of himself as an intellectual woke rebel or something,
whilst getting off to quotes from a retarded asshole with delusions of grandeur who believed to be a descendant of golden alien gods.
A guy who wanted to be a school shooter. That's not region specific. He didn't actually shoot anyone.>>1194501
I love how she always complains about people misrepresenting goth. But now that it turns out people are pissed when she misrepresents lolita it's all "I wasvhaving innocent fun and you're meanies!"
I know this will come across as WK, but I've come into contact with Dorian online since I was 13… so since 2005 or so? Dorian has always been dramatic and liked to tell stories.
In all that time across various boards, I never remember D lying. Exaggeration or biased accounts? Yes. But D has been mentally ill for a long time and makes no secret about that. Furthermore, are people tuning into ofherbsandaltars for the daily news? I can't even sit through most of these long videos and I kind of know D. The people who watch clearly watch for the storytelling style. I think expecting only the facts is silly in that context. Nothing lives or dies based on whether D has dramatized some story about her first love. And I say dramatized because I swear she mentioned parts of this before in the past, and the core of it seems likely true.
The lolita fuck-up was a fuck-up and D should have apologized without fighting back like an idiot. That said, people can also let it go, if it has been 2 weeks, it's probably time to stop flippinf the fuck out over someone's offensive lolita take. There are much worse offenders on IG - just look for ddlg "lolitas."
I just can't with this chick's thumbnails lol. >>1194808
Yeah. She's pretty much the modern Julia Zeig. Just "GOFF" posers who mostly only make content from sponsor shilling but couldn't care less about the actual subculture.>>1194501
She's so overly dramatic. You made a shit video, just accept it and move on. I can't believe she's making herself out to be a victim
when she brought it on herself for doing a poorly done video. It's not the end of the world, just admit you fucked up and stop talking about it.>>1194513>I love how she always complains about people misrepresenting goth. But now that it turns out people are pissed when she misrepresents lolita it's all "I wasvhaving innocent fun and you're meanies!"
This is the main reason why I can't with Dorian. She complains about how people misrepresent Goth and occultism which as a Goth myself, I do understand. But she then turns it on it's head and misrepresents Lolita, another subculture that is just as misappropriated as Goth is and refused to see how she's doing what those she complains about with Goth have been doing. Just shut up Dorian and accept you messed up and then stop bringing it up. Heck, just delete the video altogether or turn off comments. Just stop dragging it out.
Sorry, I don't usually post in this thread. I've thought about it more and realized that I probably am ignorant of this new personality she has, since I rarely watch her videos. I think the storytelling and embellishment has always been there, but I don't want to WK for stuff I don't know anything about. So sorry about that.
I want her to get better, though. She won't if she keeps playing the victim
and obsessing over some people not liking her lolita representation.
I do have a question - do you think she does her makeup well? I am kind of stupid when it comes to makeup and can't do anything interesting myself. Sometimes I don't care for her looks (some are too drag makeup for me), but other times I kind of like them as fantasy makeup (not for real life).
If this lolita "mistake" was the only thing she'd done, I doubt she would be discussed or on the list of cows for this thread. The issue is this comes after a long list of shitty behaviour by her which is in previous threads from her constant lies and shit stirring, to blaming women for their own rapes, to the special snowflake "i'm not like other girls" (yes she says she trans but she seems to constantly waver on that too). This isnt the first time shes done crap and tried to play victim
/blame other people, it may be the first time she actually catches heat for it.
Its sad because I used to be a fan of hers a few years ago. But either something changed or maybe I didnt know her. It also seems most of her fans dont know her because the comments on LWLN video says dorian would like Tylers snark about her but the IG caps show she really doesnt.
Same. I used to b3 a fan of her's as well. I really enjoyed her old videos. They used to have a far more relaxed vibe, and she had kind of a fun, dry sense of humor that seems to be mostly gone now.
But I just gave up on her after the "female privilege" video. That was some toxic
bullshit, and she never awknowledged all the people in the comments telling them about their negative experiences.
Also, she's just so fucking loud now. It's like watching an annoying teenager, not an adult eloquent woman.
Hey instead of playing the victim
, she could have done an hour's research into what Lolita was before posting her outfit, rather than doubling down and pretending it's the Lolitas with the issue and not her laziness and refusal to accept she made a mistake.
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I honestly think the constant updates on why she can't possibly be expected to film today make it so much worse.
Current reasons include… hair.
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All her photos are now “NEWLY SINGLE”… she was so into her new breaks bam. Idk but some conjecture he wasn’t a fan of her onlyfans
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Saged, because is anyone honestly surprised? At this point it's not about if Kaya will come up with an excuse to avoid uploading, but what the excuse will be.
Man I've enjoyed a lot of Dorian's videos and I appreciate her original perspective and choice of topics, but it seems like she thinks making videos talking about herself and her life is a substitute for real private self reflection and growth.
And she seems to think that being autistic means you just get to tell people that and have them give you slack and you don't have to try to understand others anymore, when being an adult means using the knowledge that you're autistic to better understand that you need to consider how other people may think differently from you (at least if you're going to care about their response to you).
She reminds me of this girl I work with she say a list stuff she needs to do but has every excuse under the sun to not do the things she 'needs' to do
At this point I would just give up on youtube its ovs it's a chore for her
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add no microphone and the wind to the list of things stopping kaya from working
Some suggestions for future use:
The sun, gravity, a weird smell in the air, capitalism, anarcho-syndicalism, crystals (too many or too few) and sand.
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>I am so speshul, only a few people in the US have my name!
>Gonna move to Wales someday because my name is more popular uwu
A name that he himself picked when he transitioned.
Also way to critique the gift a small child gave you. Was the customization done for you by the little girl not artisenal enough for your standards?
I know nothing about this man's history, but knowing how people in the US always like to claim they're "Irish" or "Swedish" as if they just got off the plane, they probably haven't been anywhere near Europe in a couple hundred years lmfao and have no idea what goes on over there. Which, as >>1197680
pointed out, is very obvious.
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Jesus christ she looks huge. Someone push that manitee back in the water!
I'm just gonna say it that I think this is just a pathetic attempt to cry racism because of course these people would try to reach for that. That the reason why Soundcloud rap is not considered Goth is because it's good old fashion racism. Never mind that the music style doesn't use any Goth characteristics at all and is still rooted in Hip Hop music just with darker lyrics.
I hope that some actual Black goths speak up on that. We know that they exist.
Well, rap is an expression of, and is often associated with, black culture. It's made its way into the mainstream culture, and is not "just for black people." But it is a black cultural product. Which is not a bad thing. White culture has a history of coopting music that originated in black culture, like jazz and rock &' roll, and then excluding black people from commercial success. So a lot of people think that it is important to make rap inclusive and available to everyone, but to remember it's roots.
I don't really think that the backlash in this case was based on race. It was just a matter of music. Soundcloud rap is great, and a wonderful form of expression and empowerment. But that doesn't make it goth. That's not a value judgement, just a fact.
I do think that racism exists in the goth subculture, as it does all throughout society. And that means that goths of colour can get far more negative reactions for anything than nonwhite goths. Statistically, the chance that out of all the people upset about this a few of them were also being racist dickheads is pretty big.
But that's not the core of the problem here. If they had just called it "darkly inclined fashion" or something hardly anybody would have minded.
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Things Kaya can get out of bed for: Cake and bubble tea.
Things Kaya cannot get out of bed for: Her one job, and exercise
Most are upset with the fact that soundcloud rap was played in a supposedly goth video. This doesn't make anyone racist. With the recent confusion that soundcloud rap = goth, and how often goths have to correct this, it's understandable to be annoyed at yet more people with no understanding of goth spread misinformation. Liisa is trying to pander to as many people as possible, including music that does not belong.
Nobody would have cared if it was "darkly inclined fashion". Most of the people in the video don't listen to the music, Roxy included. Her YouTube only shows emo and metal. Only mentioning them since she's been the most vocal of all the people included in the video, leaving multiple comments through the original video, not only calling people "racists", but arguing about any criticisms about outfits and music.
At least Freya is actually called Freya, Ruddy. It makes zero semse to be bragging of having such a special unusual name where you live if you chose it yourself. Sure, choose any name you want, but anyone from any part of the world can choose any name from any other part. It cam feel special TO YOU, it clearly is since you chose it but it doesn't mean it really is in this context…
He had to take the opportunity of receiving a goft to talk about himself, so the moat obvious thing to him was to talk badly about a present customized by him by a child, with his chosen post transition name
. You'd think this would move him deeply but nah…
Also, I find it super creepy how he refers to this child as Little Niece like it's her actual name. Okay you don't want people to know her name, fair enough, especially when he's hated and he knows it, but just say a pseudonymn, "my niece", etc… "Little Niece" sounds like she's a 1896 37 year old spinster who was called "the little niece" all ger life until it became a name lol>>1196764
To be honest I don't even understand her problems. How is the wind a problem and how did it get in the way of shooting?
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Sorry for the shitty quality. I just had to laugh at these two fat fucks doing their cosplay out in the middle of nowhere. Much Aryan, so proud.
omg you're right… right around the 5 minute mark he says audrey/aubrey mcleod. can't tell what else he's saying as I don't speak german
and this whole time I thought she was actually named freya
Holy shit. Good work Anons. This whole time I thought she was really called Freya.
She just keeps getting sadder the more I learn about her.
I ordered the master race from Aliexpress and this is what I got.
Seriously though, she needs to stop wearing those terrible shien dresses, they are so unflattering.
Haha. Good one Anon.
I do find it telling that she posts and talks about them as a couple all the time. But all he ever posts about is his music and "his people." I'd feel sorry for her, but once you go white supremacist you've made your bed and will have to post in it.
Or her family doesn't get mentioned because they disapprove of Adam. If my child showed up with a white supremacist who doesn't believe she deserves to be treated as a full person, I'd disapprove too.
I might be misremembering. But I think at some point they mentioned that they weren't racist because they "both had nonwhite family members." I can see that causing a bit of a rift.
Either way, I don't feel sorry for her. She's actively lied to protect his bullshit. When somebody called her out on Adam's racist lyrics, she played dumb. She's not some poor battered housewife who just meekly cowers away from the big bad fascist. She is actively taking part.
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Pretty sure she's sponsored by Lunar Tides at this point, because there's no fucking reason why she makes these boring videos every couple of weeks. All she does is paint one side of her head, there's nothing creative about her slapping glorified food coloring on her fucked up bleached crispy wheat hair. Someone asked her in her comments too what the fuck is up with her and she claims she's sooooo busy tattooing and doodling.
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>>1201756>my instagram is rather active.
Uhhuh. Such varied content.
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What fresh hell is this?
I guess trolling is her new identity.
>>1201853>always secretly hated pastel & bunnies
She can't really let that one go, take notes, and move on, now can she? kek
Genuinely intrigued to hear this so-called diss-track.
Also, why does she always feel the need to talk herself down like that in these announcements? Like, if you genuinely think your track / look / whatever is 'crap', perhaps just don't release it? No one's hardly heard the thing yet, and she's already fishing hardcore for compliments.
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Hadn’t seen anything about reeree in a while, looked her up and it looks like she’s integrating back to social media (with tiktok surprisingly)
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Had to barf in my mouth a little reading this:
She wants to be ~everyone’s internet mom~
wtf if you need
an 'internet mom'?
I can't tell if that's ridiculously cringe or plain disgusting.
Why can't you call it, like, online role model? Online older friend? uwu goff big sis idk… Internet support group. This whole 'internet mum' concept is both stupid and gross.
On behalf of everyone in Wales; stay the fuck in the US, we don't want your pathetic poser ass.
He'd get the everliving shit beaten out of him over here for adopting our Welsh culture and pretending to be one of us. And shoehorning us into the same category as the Irish (nothing against the Irish but it's apples and oranges, numbnut) is one of the most insulting things you can do to a Welsh person.
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Mara makes a total of 4 stories because someone accused her of blackface… But distancing herself from the Uber-Celts is too much.
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That's the post in question bte
They're the only friends with clout she has left. She only cares about the appearance of not being racist, and clicks.
We've seen hoe she struggles with creating content and getting views on her own.
Oh my god the cringey "moves."
So presumably the person finally out of her life is her crazy ex who tried to poison her. I guess her mum finally cut ties with her as well.
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She's struggling to even reach 10k on her latest video, and posting once a month now. How can she be making the money to live? Bet Jake will grow resentful fast having to be her carer.
The text on the thumbnail combined with >>1201853
should tell you what it is. Use context clues, anon
>>1203263>So presumably the person finally out of her life is her crazy ex who tried to poison her. I guess her mum finally cut ties with her as well.
This bitch was still talking to that psycho??? What in the actual fuck. See now I just feel like she intentionally kept that toxic
person in her life because she wanted to feel like more of a victim
. I know that sounds harsh but c'mon, who fucking keeps around someone like that who went so far as to poison you? Retarded. >>1203373
It was bound to happen. Her content is vapid and she's boring as shit. Did people really think she'd stay up in the views when she barely does anything? It seems that time is approaching and she may go through what Grav3yard Girl went through losing relevancy. And I'm sure that Jake is slowly becoming the breadwinner when it comes to YuoTube income and yeah, he may very well come to resent her.
No. Dorian wasn't talking to her psycho ex anymore. But Dorian's mom was. Which is a different kind of fucked up.
Dorian's mom is a hardcore christian. So she would do things like give phrynne money and rides, and invite the person who tried to poison her child over for christmas, out of "christian charity and foregiveness."
just started watching the assumptions video and she starts it out by complaining… of course. and she also says "if anything goes wrong during this video, I'm quitting youtube".
I wish a bitch would.
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It does look like Jake is the breadwinner lately. From the streaming to his latest cover. It is sad that his most popular vids are "goth reacts to". It's just low entertainment that he still gets clicks on because of being "goff". How long can he beat that dead horse. He's really proud of his latest cover and the fans attention….
I know there are issues with IBF, Toxic Tears, and Dorian, but I will give a slight benefit of the doubt because it is obvious all 3 suffer from mental illness. And they are burning out or spinning publicly which is a shame.
Oh okay. Well okay, that's still pretty fucked though that her mom was keeping her around. Like you said, she poisoned her daughter, like what even? lol Oi.>>1203465
Eh you could be right. I'm genuinely curious what she';ll when her channel dies and is not lucrative anymore. Do you think she'll just get a regular 9 to 5 or will she just depend on Jake to support her?>>1203655
Eh I'm not surprised his "GoFF" reacts are getting views. It's pretty much a given that any idiot in dark makeup who labels their video "Goth Reacts" will receive a good amount of attention by clueless kids. I mean even Social Repose was still getting views for those kinds of videos so this isn't too surprise. But I'm sure he'll slowly lose appeal after a while. You can only react to so many TikToks.
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Mara bringing up Mai and Annika unprompted for the millionth time in an AMA.
Sounds like that’s some unresolved shit that should be discussed with a therapist.. it’s been what, like 4 years since they had their falling out? Yikes
She'll drop the tumblr act when the nazi heat gets too bad. Then she'll come out complaining about "cancel culture."
I love how she complains about "bitches using her for clout" but hangs out with white supremacists for clout herself. Way to take the moral highground Mara.
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Mom can you pick me up I’m scared
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Poor Kaya posting a whole collage of her and stumps as a romantic gesture, meanwhile there’s crickets over on his profile.
This feels more like clinging to the past more than anything else.
Oh I actually saw that in my feed but didn't watch because I don't like him but I totally forgot it was April 1dt when I saw that pop up. Well at least he knows his relevancy is declining.>>1204084
These people just like headaches. To think I was (and honestly still am) into their outfit posts only to learn that they are so full of drama.>>1204104
Holy fuck, that's Sebastian? LOL I haven't checked her Instagram out in about a year but she almost looks unrecognizable now haha.
manicmoth responded by posting one of those slide deck things about toxic
people to her instagram stories
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Poor kids probably just realised she wasn't trans. And she's bragging about it. Awkward.
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Anons: Kaya can probably never get back to her old figure. But she can certainly get her body to a place where she feels more comfortable with it.
Kaya: I can now get a sugary coffeeshake without having to walk for it.
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Freya's fans are pissed. kek.
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Post caps next time lol
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Maybe I just don't get it bc I'm not from the UK but I can't understand why she keeps going on about Philip. I've seen people in her comments agree that he's like a distant grandpa or something. UK people pls explain what is up with that
Maybe this is her whole "scotland is my spiritual home, so I must like all things UK" thing. Even if mots scots don't actually like the royal family, sinxe they represent English oppression.
Though I can see why she thinks prince phillip was a secret grandfather. Her family is pretty racist, so it tracks.
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Literally dozens of derogatory comments about Prince Phillip on IBF's poem post but guess which one Karen decides to pick a fight with?
Her racism is showing.
It's hilarious how as a Kiwi she didn't bother pulling any Brits on their opinions but a pretty respectful Maori post? Guns out.
I'm British so don't understand the racial politics in NZ but I've heard quite a few white kiwis are pretty racist?
I think it's about the fact that the wealth and influence of the British royal family is heavily based on their colonies, such as new zealand, and the resources they extracted from them through the exploitation of native people. This applies to both England as a whole, but specifically the royal family. To this day a lot of the private business holdings of the royals are either funded by money that was originally gained by exploiting people like the Maori, or still negatively impacts them even now. The royal family gets a lot of their private cash from things like mineral extraction, which is often done in the wildlands that Maori use to sustain their traditional way of life
Also, Prince phillip is a member of the royal family as a whole. And they're responsible for the colonial wars in new zealand in the 19th century, which killed millions of Maori. Of course, prince phillip didn't personally kill anyone. But the only reason people give a damn about this grumpy old rando is the fact that he is a royal. And people tend to gloss over exactly what that means. Saying that the royal family is so great involves ignoring a lot of atrocious stuff that they did. And while I don't really think calling out someone on what their ancestors did, if their ancestors are literally the source of their status it becomes a different matter.
As for Freeza, I think more than anything it's an indication of how weirdly superficial she is. She claims to be "so upset because her secret grandpa died," but doesn't really seem to care about what he was or represented.
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Lmao anon, I already knew this, I still think it's autistic as fuck to be chimping out on people's fagbook pages over this man.
If you really have a problem witht the royal family, write them a goddamn letter about it.>>1207390>blank stare into space>lights on but nobody home
> really don’t see what bringing up Maoris has to do with Prince Philip dying.
> Lmao anon, I already knew this,
So you're just a troll. Got it.>>1207390
He looks like a dog who has to wait outside the supermarket.
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Has Orlee been reading lolcow? Is she finally wising up to the BALG bullshit?
Tbh I don't get why she's felt the need to respond at all. This person hasn't said anything negative about Phillip's death or IBF 'mourning' it, she didn't really
mock him either – on the contrary, she's expressed her pain and what she finds problematic
about the situation very politely, delicately, and even with due respect to those who (for whichever reason) still feel saddened by this. Like, this should be the last person to pick a fight with, she's being REALLY diplomatic.
Idk, I can't think of anything other than racism. Though >>1207120
is pretty good too, kek the audacity these Maori have.
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What do you think about those?
Like price, design and the fact, that they are already sold out…
It is hideous?!
It reminds me of how I used to put duplo blocks on my little topknots as a child.
At least no one will ‘steal this’ from her. Like runes or metal buckles.