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Marilyn Manson #1 : Fuck You Edition:>>951424
Marilyn Manson #2 : Chin of Sin Edition:>>958209
Marilyn Manson #3: In Search of Lost Tooth Edition:>>969968
Marilyn Manson #4: Fake PR Moves Edition:>>982539
Marilyn Manson #5:>>1012472
Marilyn Manson #6: Baby Manson Time Edition:>>1081947
Marilyn Manson #7: Honeymoon Edition:>>1138599
Marilyn Manson #8: SinChin on Suicide Watch Edition:>>1152190
Marilyn Manson #9: The God of Fucked Edition:>>1157084
Old thread bio updated.
By popular request, one unified thread to collect all milk on Marilyn Manson, 52-year-old drug addict, washed-up rocker, serial abuser, and rapist still trying to live vicariously through his glory days of the 90s when he was still young and the drugs hadn't completely fried his brain.
>Accused by multiple ex-girlfriends, including Evan Rachel Wood, of rape, physical, sexual/emotional abuse, torture, forced confinement, and forced drug use.>Uses his barely legal fanbase to find young girls to groom, abuse, and take advantage of while dangling the same one liners of helping with their careers, putting them in a music video, or wanting a serious relationship.>Long term on-and-off relationship with Lindsay Usich, 36 year old NEET and Dita skinwalker who met him when she was 25 and has been implicated in verbal abuse and stalking herself, using his phone to send nasty message to other women he is dating or friends with, and being violent to fans.>Publicly talked about wanting to beat Evan Rachel Wood's skull in with a sledgehammer.>May or may not be using multiple sockpuppet emails to harass and stalk girls. Also alleged to have fake Model Mayhem account to find 18 year old girls to groom under the guise of photographing them.>May have had a sexual relationship with Lilith Levisis (also a cow; see thread) when she was underage, and tried to pit her against his other girlfriend at the time, Gabriella (@sourgirrrl).>Has an assistant (sockpuppet?) named Judd who has been implicated in verbal and emotional abuse and stalking towards young girls.>Got liposuction and tried to claim the bruises were from being beat up by Lindsay.>Torpedoed his marriage to Dita Von Teese over 10+ years ago and is still trying to remake every girl he dates into her image.
No significant social media links, except for the official @marilynmanson.
Lindsay Usich's instagram is @lindsayusichofficial, comments disabled.
Discussed in First Thread:>Receipts from multiple accounts discussing accusations of abuse/assault by Evan Rachel Wood, Esme Bianco, Clare Buley, Louise Keay Bell, and Ashley Morgan.>Harassment and death threats from Manson and his orbiters including ex-assistant Judd and anonymous “online troops.”>Horrorshow performances from Lindsay and her mother, Hope Harvey, harassing and talking shit about and to Manson fans.>A discussion about who is the controlling one in Manson and Lindsay's relationship.>@mansonisabusive kindly shared many receipts and info.>Paranoia and suspicion a-go-go about the general circus that surrounds El Chinno Manson and his Hollywood Hareem.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>951424
Discussed in Second Thread:>More receipts, maybe from trolls, maybe from genuine victims of abuse.>Lindsay concentrates all of her efforts into sharing updates from blissful quarantine cohabitation: plants, cats, and the usual boring posts, but most importantly – usually flashing what looks like an engagement ring.>Also shares a post from her cousin, who speaks of an encounter with Manson, when he referred to Lindsay as his “fiancé.”>Farmers work out this anecdote actually reveals that the engagement happened around six years ago.>It's decided that Madelyn is a deluded pick me, although entertaining. Farmers made a half-hearted attempt not to give her any more airtime as she self-posts and encourages orbiters to post.>A slew of other batshit fans come to light.>@mansonisabusive IG account visits and shares very interesting caps. We thank her.>Still waiting for the @666fearless full story.>Die Antwoord/Zheani/Manson connection is mentioned. Zheani has dirt on Manson, but no one knows what.>Discussion of Linday's catfish accounts including Ticklish Witch, Mina Lowry, and multiple others.>Talk of a super-fan turned super-hater, Tiziana Collins, aka Titti, and whether she faked her own death to return as her own mother.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the second thread for:>>958209
Discussed in Third Thread:>Receipts Lindsay fought with ex-side-chick, Viktoria (Twitter: @LaPetitMort_), and made her personal information public via her Twitter.>Receipts from Viktoria's twitter of Manson talking shit about John 5 (with whom he was about to tour).>Extensive evidence of Lindsay's full-of-cheap-bots followership, poor PR, and desperate attempts to build a fake last-minute career for her.>Manson and Lindsay's engagement announcement (with zero media coverage no matter how hard they tried).>Louise Keay Bell, one of the victims, came to the thread to milk her trauma and change the narrative of her experience with Manson when no one had been talking about her.>Receipts Manson sent legal threats to Louise Keay Bell and more of her and Jessicka Adams claiming Lindsay grooms underage girls for Manson.>A social statement of Louise Keay Bell saying Lindsay was part of Manson's sexual assaults.>Even though Louise Keay Bell was very vocal on her recent abuse case when nobody actually asked her, she was not brave enough to address anything from the above.>Proof of staff molesting female fans and abusing their position.>Michelle's (@666fearless) abuse case was fully revealed. Some anons questioned her credibility.>More evidence of his abusive, toxic, racist, misogynistic behavior from various interviews.>Proof that Manson forces his orbiters to sign NDAs.>Poor fake and full of shit PR moves.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>969968
Discussed in Fourth Thread:>A video of Manson admitting to fucking underage girls on stage.>Madelyn was accused by anons of sitting outside of Manson's house in her car on Lindsay's birthday. A photo Madelyn had taken of herself in her car and a few of Hope Harvey's tweets (quoted) from before she went private were posted as proof.>Questioning why Hope went private in the first place. Deduced that Manson's lawyer probably reached out to her because she was sharing too much personal information.>Talk of an account (@_noname666_) that commented on one of Madelyn's posts, mocking her and her “relationship” with Manson.>Suspicion of whether he and Lindsay are already married or not after he posted a photo on his IG page, wearing what looked like a wedding band with the caption, “The Price of Darkness.”>Receipts of now deleted hate accounts and subscriptions that Louise Keay Bell posted. @666fearless was also being harassed. Both blamed Judd/Manson for it.>Screens from a website claiming Lindsay had a “baby bump.” Debunked as a hoax.>Dawn (@miss_dangerx, @guitargunn, @dawn.slays and possible other accounts) splurging and accusing Manson of being a pedophile. Also claims that he had a fake FB account (Mark Peak II) and harassed her, using her personal phone number. Was passed off as a troll.>@_noname666_ joined the thread for a bit, revealing that Manson's was (allegedly) formally diagnosed with both bipolar and narcissistic disorders. He was prescribed lithium that he sometimes forgets to take, which is supposed to be an excuse for his behavior. They also alluded to Manson being Lindsay's financial supporter and main source of income, even during periods where they weren't living together.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>982539
Discussed in Fifth Thread:>Manson finally released his single, “We Are Chaos.”>Speculations that Manson/Lindsay post in the threads after someone dropped a private picture of Lindsay. Anons couldn't find a source.>Screens from Reddit of people saying that Twiggy/Manson had sex with them while they were underage.>An anonymous ex-side-chick leaked some messages and shared some information on Manson. She claimed Lindsay harassed her during the entire period of their relationship via fake IG accounts. Anons finally got an answer to what “Baby Manson Time” is.>The full album was finally released. Lyrics are derivative of his older works and most of the songs read as digs against his accusers/Lindsay.>@mansonisabusive finally made their account public again.>Lindsay posted in her story that her mother, Hope Harvey, passed away. Cows made sure to milk her death as much as possible.>Their marriage was confirmed in an interview he did with Nicolas Cage.>Manson incriminates himself after hanging up on a journalist and refusing to answer any more questions after being asked about the Evan Rachel Wood situation. Rose McGowan posted screens of a message she sent Manson in her story on IG and tagged Evan, claiming she, “wouldn't be used as a shield,” not long after.>A whole ton of other stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1012472
Discussed in Sixth Thread:>Evidence of Lindsay supporting hate accounts.>Laney Chantal shares her opinion on the situation. Caps of her liking some of @mansonisabusive's posts were posted.>Lindsay getting fan accounts to harass anyone that speaks out against them.>Edwin Costa makes a video covering Manson's history.>Proof that Manson cheated on Rose with Dita.>More comments from one of Lindsay's abandoned IG accounts, @lindsay.usich, saying that she was never a photographer before she met him.>Edwin Costa's Twitter and Louise Keay Bell's Facebook accounts were hacked. Anons speculated that Manson was involved.>Cow tries to repair all of his damaged past relationships in an attempt to find allies.>A whole ton of other stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1081947
Discussed in Seventh Thread:>Evan Rachel Wood finally names Manson as her abuser, along with a ton of other women.>Victims saying that Lindsay participated in the abuse.>Loma Vista, his long-time record label, drops him following the accusations. Starz also cuts him from American Gods and Creepshow.>Lindsay's still buying bots. Up to 3k new followers a day.>Caps from Leslee Lane's Discord server of her saying Lindsay was asking for incriminating pictures of Evan.>Underage girls accuse Manson of grooming them on Kik.>Judd was supposedly never fired.>An ex-fan explains how he picks up young girls at meet and greets.>Welfare check called to Manson's house.>A whole ton of stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1138599
Discussed in Eighth Thread:> More victims come forward saying they were abused by Manson when they were underage.> Otep Shamaya claims that Lindsay is a victim too.> @anniejanaabrams posts caps and recordings of her conversations with them on her IG.> Evan says she had to take legal action against Leslee Lane and Lindsay after they threatened to release incriminating pictures of her.> Corey Feldman releases his own statement about Manson.> Louise Alexander drops Lindsay.
Discussed in Ninth Thread:>Influx of autism since Annie posted about the thread.>Annie accuses Manson of raping her.>New recording of him saying that Evan tried to convince him that his mom molested him.>Johnny Depp has apparently cut ties with him.>Esmé Bianco names him as her abuser, claiming he trafficked her.>New articles start focusing on Lindsay's abusive history too.>A whole ton of other stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1157084
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I don’t care if I’m a sap, this girl deserves a hug and a drink. To the couple of late night anons (hmmmT) from the previous thread: let her be a mess. She admits so herself. She’s the last victim, she has every right to go through the motions. I’d have been way less classy tbh
Thought it was even more telling when she posted "Fuck You" by Lily Allen tbqh. I never even heard of the song and it was Manson to a T almost lmao
Look inside, look inside your tiny mind, now look a bit harder
'Cause we're so uninspired
So sick and tired of all the hatred you harbour
So you say it's not okay to be gay, well, I think you're just evil
You're just some racist who can't tie my laces
Your point of view is medieval
Fuck you (Fuck you), fuck you very, very much
'Cause we hate what you do
And we hate your whole crew
So, please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck you), fuck you very, very much
'Cause your words don't translate
And it's getting quite late
So, please don't stay in touch
Do you get, do you get a little kick out of being small-minded?
You want to be like your father, it's approval you're after
Well, that's not how you find it
Do you, do you really enjoy living a life that's so hateful?
'Cause there's a hole where your soul should be
You're losing control a bit, and it's really distasteful
Fuck you (Fuck you), fuck you very, very much
'Cause we hate what you do
And we hate your whole crew
So, please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck you), fuck you very, very much
'Cause your words don't translate
And it's getting quite late
So, please don't stay in touch
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you
You say, you think we need to go to war, well, you're already in one
'Cause it's people like you that need to get slew
No one wants your opinion
Fuck you (Fuck you), fuck you very, very much
'Cause we hate what you do
And we hate your whole crew
So, please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck you), fuck you very, very much
'Cause your words don't translate
And it's getting quite late
So, please don't stay in touch
Fuck you, fuck you(samefagging)
Holy fuck. That anyone would send something so vile is almost unbelievable.
How could you not only hold such hatred but to send it to a victim
of someone's abuse.
I'm admittedly an anon who has raised questions over Annie here previously.
You never know how far your words can reach. What may have intended to be general speculation could easily be seen as an attack and hitting someone while they're down.
This poor woman is suffering enough and has so many anonymous figures attacking her from all sides.
You're completely right. She has every right to get through this her own way. She doesn't need a random playing coach giving a lecture or 'advice'.
Love to Annie and all victims
No she ain’t. Annie has posted more evidence than any of the other victims
and seems to be leading the way at east according to Phoenix act who has quoted her more in the past two weeks than anyone else. If this is just a “taster” as she calls it, then idk what kinda crazy shit she has handed over to the cops or fbi.
Honestly anon, at this stage, I'd just ignore the cohort of anons who keep autistically sperging ad nauseam about Annie. Their repetitive comments are not contributing anything and apparently, they can't just make their point and move on, they need to post over and over again nitpicking on every damn thing she says or do.
You'd think if they truly were annoyed by her, they'd avoid bringing her attention at all, or they'd just not bring her up but no.
Same goes to those taking the bait and posting long-arse essay about her.
If there's no milk to discuss regarding her, can we just agree to leave her out of the convo please? because all it seems to do is attract the same autists to the thread and clogging it up with a sterile back and forth of "buh hate annie lul" and "nah annie is a saint eh".
Agree on that for sure! Though I do think her new story is worth the discussion especially because of the anon above who admitted to being harsh but got a glimpse of what she’s dealing with. Like mannn I was in an abusive
relationship and it was a bitch to get out of it. That ON TOP of dealing with death threats like this? Idk the support is justified imho. Otherwise this place will turn into a hate train for a victim
worth defending. Tough one because I agree with you but I also get the need to speak up against these sillies.
Drop receipts or fuck off.
I already said I think she's hypocritical but she is our only ticket to watch Manson in court.
Let's just hope the FBI will do their job quickly. I want season 2 with Manson and Lindsay being dragged in court. Currently we are being fed with fillers but some time will pass and we'll have a lot of high quality milk…
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. If none of them release any kind of proof then people are going to discredit them and say “there’s no proof”. If they do then we get people such as yourself saying she comes off as “unhinged”.
She’s doing just fine. She’s making it hard for people to argue against the victims
, including her. All they have are “she’s crazy” and death threats.
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is this retard for real?
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Yeah it’s funny she even mentions the word “unhinged” and they keep using it anyway even after she calls them out on it. I don’t see a single trace of her being unhinged. She’s articulate and providing lots of insight into this sort of thing. She can’t reveal the really juicy stuff because she’s submitting that through official channels. Duh. Doesn’t take much to realize that. I like that she’s giving some solace and support to other non MM victims
too. As a victim
of abuse at the hands of my ex husband I really appreciate it. For anyone to call her unhinged you’d have to have a serious Manson bias because she’s just not even remotely close to that. Not even the tiniest bit. I’ve read her posts a few times over and they’re all on point and injected with just the right amount of humor.
Her latest post may be the darkest though. This is the stuff that really should make the headlines.
Wow as someone who was raped by my ex husband this way, I hope you rot in hell. Oh hey, it’s the time at night when Brian is awake. Hi Brian! Bye Brian. Rot in hell Brian.
What's so controversial about it?
She's called him out again for rape. Sadly many other women have as well.
The nazi fetish by itself is fine. Many people enjoy it and respect consent. Go back to your church knitting group if that is too much for you.
The rape, the lack of respect for others as people is the issue in all this.
He raped her while pretending to be a Nazi and she happens to be Jewish like lots of his victims
do. And he didn’t tell her in advance that he was acting out this fantasy so he drugged and raped her. Rape is the worst offense here obviously but the setting of it all is adding a layer to it that elevates it to a different level of disgusting for me.
The setting isn't for everyone.
I may be misreading it, but Annie seemed to be fine with the subject matter. It wasn't until the drugging and rape came out.
They could have been playing soccer mom and lanky pale goth coach for all it matters. The drughing and trape is obviously where things are beyond justification.
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Don't you lovely little old ladies have a bingo hall to go to?
I won't disagree with that.
Nit being upfront is such a pathetic move.
But being pathetic is peanuts to the crimes he accused of
How is this ironic? She didn’t stay silent. She couldn’t have spoke out at a more perfect time that will help people now
Her speaking out has had so many people come out with more evidence that could help other victims
I don't think so, I can't believe he is that dumb. He's probably looking for a lawyer now and deleting footage he's filmed of victims
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More on the FKA Twigs and Shia LaBeouf accusations…https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/amp35460385/fka-twigs-shia-la-beouf-abuse
I think its interesting that she describes the exact forms of abuse MM's accusers have.
Over all to people in denial- I think something important to consider is that even if both parties consented ( which in most cases the alleged victims
have denied doing) the abuse that takes place and is paraded by a person in a position of power and the reactionary process of the parties involved is openly available to the audience.
When easily influenced fans are willing to imitate the behavior- without an indication of knowing how far is too far, it can be seen as irresponsible because who is to say a girl or boy who decides theyre into submission won't accidentally find herself in a terrible situation where she IS being trafficked because there was never as definite line drawn in her manual.
Manson has SO MANY (hundreds if not thousand) pages and pages of Instagram profiles that absolutely idolizes everything about his career. Die hard fans posting pictures all day everyday as if its thier job. And hes not the only celebrity to have this problem…
This is why these accusations matter. To bring to light what goes on behind closed doors is sometimes a perpetuation of systems that exploit sex and drug trafficking especially with influential figures.(derail)
Do you think he's rich enough to afford a good lawyer with a reputable career?
I don't think so.
Court appointed psychologist will gtfo on that quickly. DID isn't even accepted as a legitimate disorder by the majority of mental health professionals today, he would be delusional to go on that. Addiction and Bipolar II would be the best route for him, but only if he takes the first step of checking into rehab first.
He and Andy Dick actually used to be BFFs in the 90s if I recall, maybe they can be each other's sober buddies.
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>The first major step is just people getting woke, and obviously the men who have been in positions of power getting woke to what women have been dealing with all these years,” said veteran entertainment attorney Laurie Soriano, whose clients include Frank Ocean, Carly Simon and Marilyn Manson. “It’s extremely difficult to break out of a boys’ club … I think the first notion that has to be embraced is that there shouldn’t be any kind of club.”>People also need to call out bad behaviors, Soriano said, “because when you remain silent, unfortunately, they tend to get worse.” “(For) women in my generation, the attitude was just ‘whatever, eye roll, just let the behavior happen and … leave me alone,’” she said. “I think that younger women are understanding that it’s better to call things as they occur and address them.” Soriano already sees improvement: “Even in just the normal conversations that I have with men in my industry – and I mostly talk to men – I’m telling you, the language that is used has changed,” she said. “The good men, they respond. They modify.”(post caps)
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Ellie Jayden and Edwins Generation are working on follow-up videos.
Parasite how? He’s covering the continuing story as a series he said he would in his first video. >>1164059
Have your eyes checked: https://instagram.com/anniejanaabrams?igshid=19f29wd4wd8t4
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Knowing someone is an abuser but staying silent for 12 years and knowingly allowing countless more women be abused by him due to your inaction could
be construed as a 'dick' move.
With friends like ERW who needs enemies.
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>>1164072>due to your inaction
Death threats and blackmail.
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Samefag. I had meant to say
She NAMES her abuser, not bashes her abuser
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Image board, anon.
She named him right after Lindsay tried to dig up dirt of her, I think that was the last of the last straws. She has a young child she has to to care of, did anyone consider that?>>1164025
I mean it’s preferable for him to live out the rest of his years as recluse with Lindsay in a trailer park then going to prison, his career is ruined but I think he is due some money anyway until the day he dies from royalties and stuff. No matter what people are still going to stream and listen to his old catalog.
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>>1164129>first hand witness to a man threatening to kill his girlfriend>offers to take her to a hotel instead of going to the police
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Hollywood.
It's sad it's taken literally a century for a #metoo and #timesup social change to occur. Now is time to wash the shit out of the entertainment industry.
He didn't have to take Lindsay.
You witness a man threatening a woman in the street you can go straight to the police station yourself.
Lindsay may eventually decline to press charges, but it gives an opportunity for police to both investigate and also record a history of such accusations. These accusations would build a profile if others also went to the police. Sadly it looks like no one did.
Seems pretty obvious to me this post from ERW is a jab at the likes of the enablers of MM in the business who know, have evidence and still now chose to remain silent.
Trying to turn this against her and say she's the one who remained silent and caused more victims
when she had a son, a family and received both blackmail and explicit, repeated death threats is pretty much an MM tactic. Comparing her silence to that of people her jab is likely directed at, and also drawing parallel between this picture and the death threats she received >>1164105
? Please anon.s, you certainly can't be that thick.
It's intellectually dishonest to twist the narrative this way.
I'll leave it at that.
Yeah, that's victim
blaming. Come on. You have to be able to see that. If you can't after 9 full threads explaining the mechanisms behind abuse, nobody will be able to help there I'm afraid.
ERW is quick to point the finger at others being silent. Don't they have excuses too, or is ERW the only one with a pass?
This is all typical Hollywood. Everyone sees what's happening but no one says anything. Everyone has an excuse for doing nothing.
It's no surprise a parasite like Brian gravitated to tinseltown.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
You know you can be a victim
and also be accountable for your own choices right?
You can call people out on their hypocrisies without thinking they ever deserved to be abused.
And that's her fault. She's had multiple chances to leave—including now—but she chose to stay and help
him. They deserve each other.
why are you emphasizing ERW's choice to stay silent over Brian's choice to be a serial rapist? victims
do not need to be held accountable for the abuse they endure
Anonymous now No. 1164182>>1164179>And that's her fault. She's had multiple chances to leave—including now—but she chose to stay and help him. They deserve each other.
Curious, do you feel the same way about ERW and Esme who were with Manson for years and even went back to him after his abuse?
All reports indicate Lindsay is also being abused and threatened.
No because what would they do with her. She has no job, no money, no skills, and her social circle seems to consist entirely of his friends. So it’s either let her stay with the abusive
piece of shit who at least gives her money and a home, or render her homeless. She’s definitely not in a good position, plus she seems kind of obsessed with him. I doubt she’ll ever be strong enough to leave.
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Does she really thinks somebody cares? Such a tryhard, begging for attention… "Look what I've got in my secret files!". Please shut the fuck up, you dumb.
(source : IG)
Well ERW claims she was "forced" to wear it. The numerous photos show this is a lie.
Not sure why she feels the need to deny it. That anyone would care about the hat is embarrassing.
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When did ERW claim she was forced to wear it? This is what she said.
How do you blackmail or humiliate someone with photos of them doing something they are comfortable with and while casually walking around?
It implies it wasn't her choice or she had no choice in the matter (aka forced).
That obviously isn't true. The hat is such a meaningless distraction.
Strange she lied about it but now manson fanatics are trying to use it to discredit her actual rape allegations.
>>1164220>How do you blackmail or humiliate someone with photos of them doing something they are comfortable with and while casually walking around?
They were photos taken at a private party, I’m sure she didn’t want them public knowledge.
>The hat is such a meaningless distraction.
She posted them because Leslee Lane bragged about using them to blackmail her.
Apples and oranges. According to Evan and Esmé, he pulled them back in when they tried to leave. He actively tried to get rid of Lindsay for years. She wanted to stay. Evan and Esmé also didn't participate when he was abusing other women. She's an accomplice, not a victim
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You may want to look at Esmes' most recent instagram post to get educated on trauma bonding before being so quick to accuse victims
You may want to comb through her history again. Trauma bonding doesn't make someone help their abuser. There's no evidence to support the fact that she's a victim
besides what Dan Cleary said. Even his ex-girlfriends have said negative things about her—she harassed them while they were with him, then she tried to make amends with them a few months ago because she knew the allegations were getting more attention.
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Was she not just asking for donations to cover litigation costs on FB?
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That cap doesn’t prove a police report wasn’t filed, it shows Leslee Lane threatening legal action if they don’t remove her photo. This is correction Spin made.
>Unless I see an apology and these misrepresentations corrected I intend to follow through with my legal ?
>If you want to report the stories, you need to do the fact checking. Also, photos posted on my account are under my copyright. If you want to post her lies, maybe you should see some of the evidence of proving what she claims.
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have said he claims to have links with MS-13. He's name dropped them in interviews as well.
Gang members aren't particularly b known for their intelligence, but why would hoodlums care to defend his scrawny ass.
I bet it was just some random guy claiming to be a gangbanger for laughs and bimbo brian thought it was real.
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Jokes on him. I'm behind 7 proxies. Come get it cryin brian
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He’s such a control freak omg
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I think he has always been a misogynistic asshole and bully with personality disorder/s fueled by addictions. Dita spoke about some of his abusive
behavior, even if she does not consider herself abused like the others, but I wouldn't be surprised if he became his most violent and cruel in his relationship with Evan. She was 18!! I wouldn't be surprised if she put up with a lot more than an older person would in an attempt to seem tougher than she wanted to admit - fighting the idea that she was maybe too young after all.
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Well in older Interviews Dita mentions violence.
On Insta you find dark pictures with Missi, so fantasies were already there
just #missiromero everybody can find it
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This woman is a gem lmfaooooooooooooo
Well. First it was totally inappropriate and now it's even worst to remove it. "I've said what I had to and now it's not my problem anymore so move on, let's delete it, it's so ugly on my IG! I prefer to only have beautiful pictures of me in lingerie". I doubt she's preparing another statement (I mean an honest one). This girl only thinks about her business and her clean/sexy image, it's scary. No compassion, no respect for all these girls. I bet she made an agreement with MM during their divorce and she won't reveal the truth and details of their relationship. It make no sense that MM wasn't an abuser before ERW. I'm sure Dita experienced it a lot but she's still mad about ERW and will never show some real support to her and the others victims
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The disintegration of his marriage with Dita appears to have been the beginning of a significant change in his public persona and quite possibly mirrored a decline in his personal life.
He tended to keep his privacy or would mask his sentiments in allegory.
After Dita he went on to say he expected the Lest We Forget compilation to be his last and he stood on a cliff contemplating suicide.
ERW was your stereotypical middle age crisis shacking up with a young woman all to eager to play up the faux controversy.
At this time his output became much more personal and revealing and Marilyn Manson as a band ceased to be a vehicle for social commentary and moved towards being exclusively an outlet for his bizarrely immature emotions.
The break up of ERW appears to have commenced a long period of constant drug and alcohol abuse and his artistic output, already declining since GOAG suffered severely.
He's never been the boy you take home to mom, but from ERW on onwards it appears every relationship he's been in has been exclusively one marked by abuse.
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That's interesting. Maybe there is something similar going on between MM and Lindsay.
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Came to post the same. Here it is in a more compact version. Never change, Annie.
Can we draw a line somewhere? This is clearly an aesthetic, not so dissimilar from different aesthetics of shock and violence in many different genres. One of the people taking part, in fact, the person driving it, turned out to be an abusive
turd, who not only harnessed his interests as a vehicle to careen headlong into deception, manipulation and abuse, but did it hiding in plain sight.
We really don’t need to be having a coronary every time we see one of his DaRK images.
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One of Manson's victims is soon meeting with LA sheriff's department people, I'm curious which one.
It's not her duty to deal with the Manson shit and it is totally her right to not have that ugly stuff on her Insta page or elsewhere.
I just wonder, they are talking to ONE of his victims
??That is devastating, they should get their asses up and talk to a bunch of people.
I know right, hopefully others will speak to them too. I wonder who is it, Annie of course has the most relevant actual dirt on him and is most likely to have something real on him but if it's Evan or Esme… they might be dismissed unless they have good proofs.
Yes, sorry, i saged out of habit
I wonder if there's a more simple explanation behind it like some kind of NDA/ agreement to not talk or reveal too much of hers and MM married life as part of their divorce settlement? Would that be possible? The only remarks she ever made were pretty much indirect criticism- such as (as seen in previous thread) talking about how nice her new husband was, implying how shit the previous one truly was. >>1164584
I agree with you anon, she does not owe anyone anything. If she's not comfortable to speak up for whatever reason, or even just being petty lmao, she can well stay silent. Personally, I absolutely do not care for her take on the shitshow whatsoever. She clearly has nothing to contribute apart from some very faint allusions at MM occasional violent behaviour and cheating leading to their split up years ago.>>1164581
No need to Sage when you post actual updates or milk, anon. That was very much a non-sage worthy cap - thanks. Interesting to finally see more actions from the police. They might communicate more than the FBI.
Fucking hyprcrite, you idiots defend "all victims
" but if a woman chooses to distance herdself from this garbage you all take her down. You lot don't support women, you just want to see celebrities kill themselves.
Also, if Manson's photos are requested not to be seen, can you also not post Evan's hitler pictures? they make me want to throw up, she is gross AF.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
He approached Dita two years ago and made a few public appearances together. Might have paid her off/threatened/or just whined until she agreed not to say anything.
Dita has a brand to protect and I'm sure she's never going to side with Evan, but she's been pretty dismissive about the entire metoo movement.
>>1164606>He approached Dita two years ago
Not really. They partied together back in 2014\2015 too.
>Fucking hyprcrite, you idiots defend "all victims" but if a woman chooses to distance herdself from this garbage you all take her down.
Lowkey agree but learn to integrate.
I think Evan knew Dita wouldn't say anything groundbreaking. She started posting about famous killers' wives almost asap when the former put out her statement. Kinda gaslighting her experience but oh well Dita did worse to her with that "incur".
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Saged for no milk but I remembered this screenshot a fan posted years ago all excited that they were talking to MM’s dad. I remember a few fans lovingly joking that he was a “dirty old man” and it’s truly no wonder where MM got it from
Distancing yourself isn’t stating that women “incurred abuse” and woo woo shit like “fully realize yourself”
Her statement was passive aggressive at BEST and obnoxious/incredulous at worst.
Fuck her, you can both go back to sucking his pock-marked goblin dick
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This is the ultimate hypocrisy. Oatmealosbourne is an incel who’s been repeatedly reported for stalking and harassing and they want to take Annie down. >>1164581
Dita was a lot older than Evan, she seems like one of those ‘it could never happen to me and if it’s not in my backyard I could care less’ types. Everyone was applauding her for being so ‘classy’ about the situation or whatever but I felt like her post was a sly dig at Evan, kinda like ‘oh well bitch :)’
I also found it retarded how she said he never abused her but cheated on her. Cheating and cucking your partner is abuse. In an interview years ago I remember her saying what a shitty husband he was and how she was totally drained and exhausted at having to deal with his drug use and mood swings. But now she’s claiming he dindu nuffin and only cucked her? Idk seems like she’s trying to gaslight Evan a bit but whatever.
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His fans are crazy. She didn't accuse him of anything, all she does is verbally supporting victims.
Samefag. Take a look at this.
She describes her sex fetishes and her sex experience and it is VERY SIMILAR to what Evan described as sex abuse. I think the difference is that Clare is too stupid or too young to understand that it IS abuse.
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Hugh Warner was very well known for using his sons fame to (try) and fuck young women.
>“My father’s view of women was, ‘If you wanna get a man, spread your legs. And if you wanna keep a man, shut your f—ing mouth,’” he told Dazed in 2015.>“It’s foul,” Manson said. “But that’s how I was reared and raised – I’m not saying that’s my philosophy, I’m just saying that’s what my father taught me.”>>1164568
This is for you bby
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We better not to believe her. Shes lying abt her ass,as well. Claiming it's real. Bi*ch pls.
Anyway she seems to be a dominant one,just as Dita.
Never heard of her before this, but she honestly types like she's totally retarded.>he was the most romantic man
Lmfao, in the back of his tour bus with groupie /meat sack number #654 ? Ok jan.
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She’s flipped back and forth about M.
No offense taken, actually not a newfag but that's one cow I haven't got around to yet. Plenty of undrank milk awaits, that's a perk.>>1164763
That cropped out picture looks painful. >>1164762
Same here anon. The whole thing is both gross and creepy af.
The thing is she was discussed a lot in 1-3 threads I believe. She used to be a key figure.>>1164763
She meant he lied to her about love. He was seeing Gabriella and Lindsay at that time.
Seriously agree with this anon.
Also, side note the violet wand when used with a willing participant is not anywhere near a “torture device.” Though, in the context of abuse allegations by the victims
it sounds like it was used as a mind fuckery tool.
The cap was originally posted here: >>955108
This one too: >>951661
Lilith never said he abused her but would sperg about what a great guy he is while also posting about being cheated on.
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>>1164792>is not anywhere near a “torture device.”
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ERW and Esme are really going into overdrive to try and minimize their culpability with these cutsie infographics.
Maybe Brian should start posting tumblr aphorisms which detail the ways drug and mental health issues can cause you to do things you normally wouldn't.
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Sage for not being milky but Brian “Head” Welch is in the news.
Can't relate. He wasn't terrible considering his leg was fucked but it's definitely not something I would even remember if he wasn't a huge subject right now. I'm not that girl by the way.
All I can say is that he likes to bite (has been told before). His dick is underwhelming though.
At least he bothered to go down on me before he demanded me to go down on him.
What do you think your point is?
That's not how addiction and mental health issues works.
ERW spoke proudly of her involvement with Manson for years. You suggesting she deserved her abuse? Don't be an idiot.
Bam and Co were notorious for fucking underage girls. Same goes for Jared Leto.
It only takes 1 person to come out many years later to open the gates.
And Pete knows he has a problem. Heroin is a hell of a drug, beside his comings and goings of rehab/using it again he's not exactly proud of that unlike Brian itself.>>1164928
Wasn't aware of that (Bam) but zero surprises.
Jared Leto is a open secret at this point.
You must be retarded. No one has yet come out to claim retrospective rape so why would he be cancelled?
If someone suddenly changed their mind and named them as an abuser they would have similar public backlash.
What do you think your point is?
Yep, 2017…and trust me, I wasn't the only one. He had his m&gs during the heaven upside down tour and he 99% picked a girl during every single m&g. Had far too many girls telling me about their experiences once I shared mine.
Of course he never gave a shit about Lindsay. It was all part of his strategy to have an alibi.
My point is that anon claimed Bam etc were well known for getting with underage girls. a.) how would they know unless it became public aka a scandal
b) if it isn't public knowledge, why isn't it?
That's all i tried to say, lol
If you're comfortable sharing, did you find him abusive
or strongly and push you towards acts you weren't comfortable with?
He seems to have sado-masochistic desires but also a problem with obtaining consent.
I already shared my experience with him on here..a while ago. No, he didn't force me to do anything. He definitely liked to leave plenty of bruises. But…apart from pulling gross jokes afterwards next to Judd and sharing details about having sex with me nothing terrible happened. But don't you dare using my experience as a way of defending him and saying 'SEE, HE IS NOT AN ABUSER!'
He'd be pretty stupid and in jail by now if he abused every single girl he fucked on that bus. And he knows it, he's not that stupid.
I 100% agree with you. I am the one that had sex with him twice and nothing seemed terribly bad to me. Apart from some Hitler jokes and gross jokes he made about my body and just misogynistic shit in general.
But like I said in my last post. I don't think he bothers to get super invested in one or two time things cause he knows he'll never see them again. He only seems to go nuts and super abusive
when he 'cares' about a girl or is dating them or at least seeing them/talking to her regularly. Or when they're jewish, yikes.
It doesn't absolve Manson of his criminality but mental health and drug abuse could be very much be contributing factors.
If he accepted the required help, he may not necessarily be the abusive
person he is today.
It doesn't seem to be a coincidence that his increased abuses correlate to a period where he's been open about refusing medication and mental health assistance while also increasingly dependant on drugs and alcohol.
Leto strikes me as a pedophile with a sociopathic power complex. He doesn't need drugs when he it's the power he holds over kids that gets him off.
Inb4 banned for medfagging
Thank you for answering.
Of course your personal experience doesn't mean the victims
speaking out aren't telling the truth.
And people using Rose or Dita as an excuse or a reason as to why he is not an abusive
piece of shit are dumb as well. He only turned full on mental and retarded after Dita (p.s. Dita is lying anyway. He did abuse her)
But apparently people think that Manson from 95 will always stay the same cute person and can never turn into a full blown psychopath. Newsflash: not all people are born a psychopath lol
I have a problem with her statement cause it sounded shady as fuck. She could've worded it differently. For example: My heart goes out to all the women my ex husband has hurt. He wasn't quite as bad with me, but I do believe all of you and stand with you.
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I wish annie would elaborate more on the Lindsay involvement.
My experience with her is touch and go as far as the way shes involved.
She harrassed me online but I also had backhanded praise from her and it is really just all so confusing and behind screens so I dont understand her stance with her husband.
Like I imagine it two ways
1 they love each other
2. Shes helping in blackmailing him because he humiliated her and used her 36 mo. with sobriety making things as messy as possible for him while he continued digging a hole. But because they are genuinely friends she married him to help protect his…credibility?
I think I mentioned many posts ago that she unliked all of his photos.
Her comments are still there…. but if the rumors are true about her creating hate accounts maybe she unliked the pictures ritualistically…
This picture she had her followers circulate last year just really made me uneasy. Doesn't it look like a female dom and her sub?
I drew little cheeks on him I will post the original when I find it.
What the storyyyyy?
It looks more like she has something spiky in his anal cavity.
Or that he has covid
It's a GWB Jr.-era torture reference. d/w nonny >>1164891
I appreciated your joke>>1164900
Haven't the members of Korn been accused of rape? Surprised they're not keeping quiet to avoid attracting attention.>>1164961
[person] wouldn't have done [shitty thing] if [something about them were different] is meaningless when a fundamental part of who that person is would have to change.
They have a way of monitoring your online behavior. Like that team of people he reportedly pays to collect blackmail either hacks onto the computers of thier victims
or has some way of monitoring whatever your computer is actively doing.
In one instance I was repeatedly listening to a song (while crying) and then started watching a movie and Lindsay made a story with the titles of both of the pieces of media in a back handed way that just looks like a normal post.
The thing about the comments is that they were never mean. Just like I'm creeping on you/ can see you.
Which in itself is problematic
. Also kindof cool. But primarily invasive/scary.
Even putting how problematic
and illegal it may be aside, what's the point? Who has the time and care to bother? It's all so strange.
On her end anyway.
On my side it was really mostly traumatic and messed with me in a way that triggered
my spiritual beliefs about karma.
Right now I'm trying to like run my intrest out. But this all kindof feels like a big game.
That's why I keep coming to this place with out of field theories about their intent.
These are me >>1165060>>1165036>>1165047
I haven't figured that out yet >>1165053
it was very much like cat and mouse.
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There's a theory which may explain his oddities which I don't feel is given the credit it deserves.
It's documented that Marilyn Manson has dabbled in time travel and with this science still largely unknown to physicists we don't know the long term effects that such travel could cause upon our world.
In the credits of 1996's Antichrist Superstar album, the track Irresponsible Hate Anthem is noted as being recorded on Valentine's Day Feb 14, 1997. This it's breaks all the laws of spacetime as we know it.
Later on Holy Wood is released in 2000. The track Born Again is noted as being recorded Feb 14, 1997.
Now you could say they simply just used an old recorded track, however John 5 is confirmed to have played on the song yet he wasn't even a member of the band at the time!
This travel through the matrix of time could have theoretically caused a Marilyn Manson from another parallel universe to slip into ours.
Although he seemed to be largely the same person after Holy Wood did he jump through time a 3rd time?
I posit that this is exactly what happened.
As an anon has said before, he has spoken about standing on a cliff contemplating suicide after his divorce with Dita. I think he did in fact jump, but celestial beings which noticed his presence during his past time travel intervened at this point. He successfully manifested the quantum suicide which has only been previously theorized.
Instead of our dimension facing a world where his body smashed on the rocks below, a Marilyn Manson from a universe where he WAS the monster from his lyrics was a living breathing entity had entered our timeline.
This Marilyn Manson (aka the doppelganger) is the one responsible for these crimes. Our Brian tragically lept from that stony clifftop and the angels saw fit that this monster was what our world deserved.(autistic tinfoiling)
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>>1165087>It's documented that Marilyn Manson has dabbled in time travel
This isn’t the place for sci-fi fanfic. >>1165096
Honestly curious what her defense could possibly be. There’s pages and screenshots of Leslee claiming Lindsay asked her for pics to threatening Evan to witnessing Manson being violent around Lindsay. Everyone in the discord knew it was Leslee saying these things. >>1148333>>1149469
If she now claims Lindsay wasn’t involved that means:
a. She made it up and lied cause ?
b. She’s covering for her friend, Lindsay.
c. Lindsay just happened to ask for other
pics from 2007.
It’s all so shady.
She definitely looks wasted and out of it.
This Leslie Lane character isn’t doing Manson any favors with her posts.
How do photos of ERW looking drunk in a nazi hat reflect poorly on Manson?
You one of those people who think women need a male chaperone?
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Uhhh… because ERW said that the night the photos of her in Mansons nazi hat were taken she was the most wasted she has been and clearly wasn’t in a position to be at a party very coherently. She wasn’t old enough to go in a casino. This photo adds up.
Cooooould be, but that's quite a huge coincidence.
Very creepy nonetheless.
The idea those 2 have nothing better to do with their time is hilarious
Truth is most modern ‘artists’ have too much time on their hands except when they are insanely invested in a project
t. artist with other artist friends
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This is one of the most autistic things I've read on lolcow>>1165129
It's milk, not tea. This isn't twitter
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Hello Leslee Lane
"Manson and I (at The Palms - Las Vegas)"
Leslee lane is a pathetic diehard fan girl who still hasn't outgrown her teen fangirling phase. All that for a triple-chinned aging washed-up rapist who does not give two shits about her.
Interesting that she has supposedly 1500 followers on instagram but such a low engagement rate. Did she get bulk buying discount with usich?
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Her brother was partying with them too??
There’s some narcissistic problematic
manipulative c**t, who has it out for me and been doing the same thing similar thing to me >>1165108
and I’ve been like what the fuck is going on? but she’s married to a different rockstar and i think Manson’s been conspiring with them.
Lmao I can’t believe Manson isn’t telling her to stop “defending him” because she’s actually just making it worse.
Let’s add up who’s publicly defended him:
Asia Argento, a fellow rapist
Courtney Love, a junkie try-hard who literally accused Manson of hooking up with underage girls in the past
Magalyn who claims to have been “the other woman” for years but can’t prove she ever met him
That Rachel idiot who is just a fan girl that facetunes her pics within an inch of their life
Leslee Lame who seems to have been a hanger on over a decade ago still obsessing over him and trying to discredit Evan with Mansons hat and her laughing at the Bible ?
Scrotemeal Osbourne, an incel
Even his own wife can’t make a statement to defend him because she’s such a PR nightmare
Crack team you have Brian!
Would anyone be interested in making a shitty abusive
or creepy male general thread? in like ot or something? just for compiling evidence/ keeeping tabs on jared leto, adam22, etc
okay I can make one if you guys will post in it and shit.
anon who has been years for shit to come out or anyone who wants to compile the jared leto informatino from this thread/what is known I would appreciate it. sorry for derailing no more
Disgusting. As a dude in his 30’s I can’t comprehend the attraction to “children”. Then again, I’m not a pedophile.
I think women are most beautiful from their late 20’s, to now a days even up into their 50’s.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I think men are most beautiful from their late 20’s, to now a days even up into their 50’s."
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Today's news, the time frame that's under investigation is 2009-2011. i mean it's great but 2012-2017 needs to be investigated too + Annie times. But it's something
They’re just talking about victims
during that time who live in in Los Angeles. Doesn’t mean there’s nothing going on currently in other cities. Annie lives in different country so they would be dealing with her case there.
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She literally described to a “t” [especially the underlined part] about what Manson’s been doing. And this even confirms more now that it looks like he very well may have been conspiring with these people.
good, they won't find shit, it's high time they clear his name. y'all will look like idiots soon.
now, the question is, is Annie lolcow material?
rachel's target audience are normies. being anti-christian is problematic
give me a fucking break, she appear sober on all the pictures and her brother is with her. her not being in control is complete fucking bull. she's just a white chick who doesn't give a fuck about poc
, Hitler=funny, nothing more to see here
Don't tell me about, it I was fifteen when I was invited backstage at a Marilyn Manson concert. His handlers noticed me in the pit and asked me to leave my sister Sarah behind while the band was still playing, these men in suit asked me to just follow them. We walked through long corridors and they led me to his dressing room where I had to wait for quite a while I was told. The room was really cold and as I was dressed in my light metalhead gear, I felt so so cold. While waiting and being bored, I went through the furniture in the room. The room itself was beautiful and what you would expect from a guy like Marilyn Manson, it had this mysterious Twin Peak-esque mood with red clothes covering the wall and dim electric lights at different places in the room. I will not lie when I say it was quite exciting, I found a lot of his sketches in the drawer. It was probably something he drew in the bus during the day. But as I kept looking, I was shocked, I found a little box filled with Nazi memorabilia. My hands were trembling while holding these dreadful items, I couldn't believe what I saw. I know my grand-grandfather fled to America in order to escape the tyranic nazi regime before WWII and he often told me about what happened to his brothers. I was in shock, Marilyn Manson was an rotten anti-semite, something that goes against anything his public persona led me to believe. I took the small swastikas in my hands and with a closer look, I noticed white fingerprints on it, but couldn't figure out why. Then, all of a sudden, I started hearing the plastic sound of platform shoes hitting the concrete floor of the corridor outside. He already finished performing, I was so captivated in my thought that I did not realize the pounding of heavy metal music through the wall had stopped. In a hurry, I closed the box and bluntly shut the drawer. Too bluntly, unfortunately. As he opened the door, he saw me in a cloud of white dust. He had prepared his lines for the night under the mirror before going on stage! I felt at the same terrified and shameful because of my indiscretion. I betrayed my idol by going through his things and by the look in his eyes, I could see he was very mad. He grabbed the bottle of absynthe in the dresser near the door, took a few sips and broke the bottle on the floor. He yelled "What do you think you're doing girl? I could call the cops right now!" I replied "No, please, I didn't mean to intrude, I didn't mean to be nosy!" He was visibly very upset, even through his makeup, I could see that his face was turning deep red. He waited for a moment, and then finally said "Alright, alright, how old are you? … Hmm, no, it's better if you don't tell me anything." He walked into the room and sat on the chair. "Do you realize how much this blow cost me? Do you have the money on you to repay me?" I was shaking I didn't realize what I had just done, I destroyed his fix for the night and probably cost him a lot of money, a lot more than anything a teenager like me could earn in a several month working at the restaurant. "How do you think you can repay me? … Wait a minute… Did you GO THROUGH MY STUFF!!!?" He raised his hands and covered his face, I could see the embarassment, I could see the shame he felt. "This isn't me, OK? I'm not a fascist, this is just me collecting things, people collect stamps, I collect these things, there is nothing more to it." I shook my head, I tried to make him understand that it didn't matter to me, I wouldn't tell anyone. "Listen, I know you are probably attracted to me, a lot of my fans are, there's one way we can sort this problem." I felt some relief, but then I looked at this man dressed in old school suspenders, his make up smeared by sweat and an evening of rock'n'roll catharsis, and all of a sudden, I felt petrified "This isn't good" I thought "What is he going to ask me?" "I will need compensation and I need leverage, do you understand?" He said with his soft and deep voice. "Are you a virgin, darling?" I blushed. "I promise I will be kind to you, here, have a sip, it will make you feel more comfortable" He extended a bottle of Mansynthe to me, he had a whole stash under his chair. "Normally, you need to some preparation, but I'll forgive you this time if you consume it like a philistine" As I sip the bottle, I saw him open another drawer and take out small movie cameras. As he slowly set up the camera, he explained to me "Listen, I'm not a monster, I will not take your virginity from you." I acquiesced shyly. "Have you heard of sodomy? This is not what people think it means, sodomy is just any sexual act that is not procreative." I was stunned, no one ever spoke to me so crudely. "Sodomy is often practiced by faggots and straight couples when the woman is at her angriest, if you see what I mean." My entire body was shaking, I couldn't stand these homophobic and misogynistic remarks, even at this time, in the late 00s, young people of my generation were sensitive to these issues. As I raise my head, I felt another shock go through my entire body when I saw his face grinning, you know what grin I referring to. He was getting off of upsetting me. Suddenly, he started chuckling and while containing his laughter, he said "Hee hee, Imma do you in your BUNGHOLE! Hee hee, I'm gonna score tonight!" I couldn't believe it, this was so childish of him, how could have I been so wrong about him, all this time, I bought into his public persona, I read his lyrics, I studied his interview, I check every book and movie he mentionned, I tried to imagine what his intellectual and cultural life would look like, I imagined him being hungry for knowledge, I wanted to keep up with him, I dreamt of having deep conversation with him. But in the end, this is what I faced, a depraved clown. At that point, all attractions I could have had for him left me and I started to dread the few hours I was about to experience.
OK, here it is for tonight as you can see, this is going into a very dark place. Sorry if the writing is a little shaky, american isn't my native language.
You know she's jewish, right? Also wtf does the 21 century american concept of "poc
" have to do with nazi germany or hitler? This thread needs to be locked until he flood of tourist sjws/scrotes from 4chan ebbs the fuck down
yeah, her mother converted to judaism, but she ain't "ethnically" jewish. seeing how she's laughing at the bible and dated marvin, she prolly doesn't give a shit about religion
so no, she doesn't get a free pass for dressing like Hitler. she would be a deep shit, probably on the cancel gallow if that stuff came out before the rape shitshow>>1165318
glad you liked it
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Just so you know, this is completely fake.
Evan writes articles for Nylon and has a totally different style.
Can't believe people actually believe those imbeciles.
I noticed there seems to be a common pattern that Manson and goons try to push: everyone’s messages are “fake”. It’s not fake. He even showed on his computer scrolling his inbox that showed the DM was in fact sent by her. >>1165301
I see maybe what Annie is trying to do here, but I could be wrong: I think she’s trying to warn someone that Manson is going behind a certain person’s back talking about them.
>>1165286> Annie lives in a different country so they would be dealing with her case there
I doubt the RCMP is going to do much about it. Besides, jurisdiction is not about where the victim
lives. It's about where the offence occurred. If Annie was raped in the states, then it falls under the jurisdiction of the USA
she said here >>1163329
that they haven't seen each other since covid. she is deliberately withholding the timing of the assault
It's FAKE, you fucking idiot.
You can fake videos, it's not that hard. It's the same goddamn lunatic who's been faking dms for months.
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Oh look, he’s friends with Leslee Lane.
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Let's start fresh after this photographic interlude
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I saw this comment thread on Annie’s latest post. Does anyone know who this Texas girl is that they’re talking about?
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Thank you for your contribution anon. Clearly a valuable, indispensable one.
No we don't, investigation hadn't been confirmed until just then. But reading comprehension skills and all that.
That’s not photoshop… seriously get the fuck out of here with your lying asses. How do you photoshop a verified badge? Since you all seem to be experts - THEN DO A FAKE DM OF Jennifer Garner
-AND SHOW HOW YOU CAN FAKE A DM with a verification badge. >>1165602
Yeah and how would you know?
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The sheriff’s statement. >>1165626>I’ll have you know I graduated top of my herd in the Navy Bovines
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ERW has just gone on a manic spree sharing a dozen images about paparazzi, children and how courts use the system against mothers (funny if it weren't so completely untrue).
Appears there must be some trouble looming ahead over custody or a court case involving her fitness as a mother and ERW is desperately trying to get ahead of the narrative.(celeb cow thread)
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It’s almost like she’s talking right to some of you anons.
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Nice unsubstantiated tinfoil. She was backing Nikki Reed
She follows these threads on a daily basis.
There's been multiple times she has posted on instagram in direct response to comments made here.
How does it relate to MM?>>1165672>She follows these threads on a daily basis.There's been multiple times she has posted on instagram in direct response to comments made here.
Yeah she said it herself from her very first post, what else is news…
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Holy shit REAL MILK
Come thru Annie. She’s delivering now. But…is she referring to current or previous rehab? >>1165684
It’s always gonna be Marilyn Meatball to me now.
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Ha. Hasn't he already been to rehab twice? “I'm not abusive, it's muh drug abuse.”
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Regarding whether or not the IG DM is a fake or not, I am not a computer forensics scientist, but there is a site called fotoforensics.com (I'm sure there are others) that can analyze a photo. I did a comparison of the supposed DM from ERW to demidahmer and you can tell there has been some activity within the DM. You can judge for yourselves. This is what the alleged DM from ERW looks like with forensics…(lolcow.farm/info)
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Speculation that he’s in for sex addiction in an effort to build his defence. Kek.
Ngl she seems way too feisty and sure of herself to be a poor defenseless rape victim
who was powerless against a predator. Sounds more like a spurned groupie. >>1165700
I genuinely thought it was one of his songs lmao.
withdraw and deal silently. Some victims
rage and fight loudly for justice. Respect for both. Annie said he took “everything” from her and that she doesn’t have much to lose. Because it happened so recently, I imagine she’s in Kill Bill mode right now and wants him behind bars ASAP.
Why do people assume everyone deals with trauma the same way?
Lol you did call it.
Next thread title: chin of sin rehab edition
Really? She’s sounds like a woman who is fighting back against an abusive
rapist. We shouldn’t judge how these women respond to their abuse. This is their own journey and we should show support. Groupie or not…he’s an abusive
asshole. Doesn’t matter if she was ever a fan.
Further more why would you say victims
are EVER “poor and defenseless”? That seems like a shitty thing to add in there. I was a rape victim
and I can’t put fighting like hell. I told every bar within a 5 mile radius of my home. I put up pictures of his mug shot. I got him fired and ran him out of my neighborhood. I was never poor or defenseless and was pissed and armed. Seems like Annie is the same.(blogging)
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There’s a 1999 movie called “Do Not Disturb” with a character of a pedophile rock star who tried to seduce a 12yo girl in one scene, his character was called Billy Boy Manson and with a full MM outfit.
Everyone knew about his pedophilia yet they gave him a senator’s level of protection. He deserves a life sentence.
I guess they’re sacrificing him now to the media to cover up some huge pedo ring bust
Idk but I wish anyone on this thread would stop assuming they know how abuse should be handled and how a victim
should respond. I personally came out of my trauma fighting like hell. I was pissed. Had I seen my rapist in public I probably would have physically assaulted him and gone to jail myself. 10 years later and I still hope he’s dies a brutal death and rots in hell. Never sad or defenseless. I was armed and ready to fight.
she´s not my cup of tea at all, but hopefully she
isn´t locked in that fucking fish tank.
I guess they’re sacrificing him now to the media to cover up some huge pedo ring bust.
Imagine being alone while he’s at an all male rehab and you can’t even maniacally send hate messages to people because you know they’ll post them on the internet because no ones afraid of you and your bloated idiot husband anymore
Is there a rehab she can go to for her unfortunate addiction to him? I think she’s terrible but I sincerely hope she finds some kind of strength and confidence to gtfo
The mods here are retarded cunts.
Please don't let them stop you from sharing your own experiences.
Enjoy your ban, fuckwad.
Honestly, if you newfags would just learn to integrate it would be all plain sailing. Don’t be so butthurt if you cop a ban because you can’t play the game.
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Sorry sweetcheeks but this is our website now. You will assimilate to our ways.
I formally declare lolcow open for personal blogging and discussions on our feelings.(go back)
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And Manson was arrested in 2001 for grinding against the back of his security guard's head. Where are their posts about his criminal record?
>>1166010>Where are their posts about his criminal record?
This is one of the stupidest things I've seen said on this site. Y'all really are dumb fucks.
There's literally thousands of articles on Mansons crimes. Run a google search to see for yourself.(ban evasion)
Lmao these chodes
Every person search site says *possible criminal records or some other click bait shit to get you to pay money on a report, scrotemeal doesn’t know how the internet worx and that’s cute
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Am I the only one who hopes we hear more about Kitty Girl? I hope this mystery doesn’t go unsolved.
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I kindof wonder about this and if scat play ….is a thing…https://www.instagram.com/p/BNuzHynD0bT/?igshid=jng8zjhdteic(lolcow.farm/info)
You need to review your definition of sarcasm.>>1165690
Annie delivering the big milk now. Kek can't wait to read the articles coming up.
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I just found this comment on Alyx Suttle's fb photo.
What's her story with Manson? Can anyone pls tell me? Thank u.
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Marilyn Manson arrested on grand larceny theft charges.
Never heard of her. She was a designer, looks like his type. Hopefully she died not bc of his actions.
She was mentioned here before >>1160886
was she a superfan like Titti?
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I googled her name, it seems she was a friend of Jessicka Addams and Scott P. She died in 2016.>>1166630
Bianca is a Star & producer of ZOMBINATRIX. She threatened to release some serious shit she has on MM.
If you look up #alyxsuttle on Instagram you will see that account @illuminata8
They posted about Alyx, about funeral, celebration party and a couple of posts dedicated to Alyx. They probably knew her or were a close friend. I checked their page and found this, picrel.
It gives me a little bit of wtf vibes.
For those who find it hard to read from the pic.
>In response to the recent developments and allegations on Marilyn Manson by Evan Rachel Wood, having worked with their management for over a decade in South Florida, I would love to hear feedback from mutual friends and peers In the music industry! What happened here? Too often there are two sides, I’m not quick to condemn, although I know fame and money changes lives, in the industry there are always those who know him, and those who want to know-whats your opinion? Chime in, this is a safe space for all, as part of the #metoo #timesup #movement #opinions #observer #marilynmanson #accused #evanrachelwood #nameyourabuser #lomavista #drops #artist #hasty #or #apropos #hollywood #sofla #bands #friendsof #comeoutcomeoutwhereveryouare #marilynmansonandthespookykids #truth #controversial #always #rockstar #lifestyle
>I stand with all women in the industry, because this is just one of many incidents that are often swept and “PR’d” away. I wasn’t there and I don’t know Evan’s truth-anyone who speaks out is courageous. In my time with this group the shows were often featuring naked girls onstage, in cages, and they would be chosen or volunteer themselves to perform onstage, as part of the shock value that made their controversy their “star power”. I had never seen any “abuse” that was not a theatrical act. I would love to hear from the artists and media surrounding this era, and it bears repeating that this industry fails to protect female artists, employees, PR girls, journalists and the fans. I’ve had many close calls and #metoo trauma as part of what I felt at the times was just an “occupational hazard” in my line of work, it wasn’t. We are on our own, we always have been. That’s the industry we are in. Sadly. It’s our reality. thank you to @rosemcgowan always real and truthful
>Where I stand is, you should name your abuser, if you were attacked-but also for the women who want to wield this as retaliation and falsely accuse anyone, pause-think about how this will affect the other person-if this is unchecked I feel it will backfire on women! I feel it will make us a liability to work with in the future. That is not where we want to be either. Yes-Tell the truth even if your voice shakes. There are shitty people out there of both sexes. Don’t be a victim, be a survivor.
>Where is Jeordie? I would never blame a victim, I stand with all victims female and male.
Here is a podcast with the girl that commented on Alyx's photo (Bianca Allaine).
You can tell she's truly shocked. Poor girl. https://www.patreon.com/posts/cdan-podcast-716-47306783(imageboard)
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Podcast comment section
Lowkey agree but c'mon, that's a gossip site. Rock culture is very toxic
and full of predators, it's not far-fetched to assume many of the rock stars fucked underage girls.
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These aren't the subjects of gossip but verifiable fact.
Long have parents whispered among themselves of Marilyn Manson creeping into children's bedrooms in the dead of night and whisking their young ones away.
It's said he takes them into a subterranean labyrinth located beneath the schools of America. How true this is remains unknown as no child had ever lived or escaped to tell of their horrors.
What remains most shocking is this monster is open about their predilection for young flesh.
He's released an EP called Smells Like Children
Other pieces of evidence inadmissible in court are these lyrics;
Song: Kiddie Grinder>"what I want, what I want is your children">[…]>"Here we are, children! Come and get your lollipops!>I have to take your voice and stick my fingers in it>fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck"
The ontro track to the EP is also entitled The Hands of Small Children
which is literally just taken from a secret recording of Marilyn Manson torturing and cutting the hands off of a small child.
Not since Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder laid down *Ebony & Ivory" has someone deliberately set out to commit such abject atrocities to tape.
I've long been banned from the local Parent Teachers Committee which they claim was because I defecated in the school water fountain but we all know it was a cover story to prevent me from contributing to speak out on these horrible truths.(nobody cares)
Can't tell if you're just a sperging retard or a troll trying to subtly derail - and pretty sure you've already posted the same autistic take in the past thread.
At a minimum, learn to Sage your shitty non-contribution please.
Looks like Paz de la Huerta, who I always thought had the most unremarkable eyes. Anyway, poor old Paz - she's a potential victim
of Brian's too.
I doubt he will ever get to abuse anybody again.
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Gabriella had pink hair when they met. He made her dye it blonde because, “taking a girl with pink hair out looks too Suicide Girl.” And I think it was black at some point too because of that photoshoot she did with Nedda Afsari. The pictures are still up on both of their pages. She used to photograph Madelyn too. Lindsay follows her, ironically.
Please keep comments on topic.
If you want to post photos of Al Jourgensen create a new thread.(ban evasion)
? When did she photograph Madelyn?
Also once again with not knowing how to check something properly before you post- Lindsay is definitely not following Gabriella. She was at one point when she was trying to make it look like she was so cool with all of MM’s former side chicks but not anymore.
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Madelyn's credited her as the photographer on some of her posts and there are pictures of her on Nedda's page. I think Madelyn was featured in her book too. And I said Lindsay follows Nedda, not Gabriella. Maybe you should do your own
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Taken from a pro-manson page so keep that in mind, but another twist in the Annie story.(ban evasion)
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She isn’t Lola Skye. But she is indeed Annie Jackson. Maybe that’s what all the “real name/identity” stuff is about.
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Obvious Annie or disinfo.
I've been able to confirm the photos with a quick Google search. https://whosdatedwho.com/dating/lola-skye
Looks like MM isn't the first celebrity they've claimed to have a relationship withhttps://www.femalefirst.co.uk/lifestyle-fashion/stylelife/Lola+Skye-1247.htmlhttps://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/5908893.html
There's dozens more links on Google about 'Lola'
Her old MySpace also has her located in Canadahttps://myspace.com/lolaskye
They are reaching hard. I’m looking at you, >>1166952
It doesn't disprove her claims against MM but it does show her to have a history of lying about her identity and involvement with celebrities.
It was many years ago and maybe she's since matured.
Hey now let's not get carried away.
It's not a great look but it was 15 years ago when she was probably a very stupid teenager looking for attention.
It's context but doesn't prove she's lying now. It does highlight you can't take everything as gospel online.
The photos do looked photoshopped but they've also been cached years ago so they aren't recently done.
And you're saying she's no longer a credible source just because she changed her name? Ha. Almost everyone is guilty of using a pseudonym at least once. And she didn't lie about Abrams being her last name. She legally changed it and she posted her ID to prove it.>>1166966
She has proof that she knew him. He used to follow her and like her posts and she shared his messages, which would be very hard to fake unless you extensively studied his typing style. If you still think he's innocent, go to IG with the other ass-kissers.
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I think it’s far simpler than that. Like this. She was probably getting tons of messages about this already. What a reach.
>>1166973>And you're saying she's no longer a credible source just because she changed her name?
I'm the anon who posted that. I never said she's untrustworthy. You're putting words in my mouth for a strange reason.
Someone said the photos looked photoshopped and I posted links showing they aren't new.
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So weird!! I JUST was reading about this earlier today.
I found as much as I could but then I stopped looking when I thought about the phone calls she has.
I dont really know who is on what side though.
But i do know that its SO weird to be thinking along the same lines as anyone else here when It come to random info you find!
Annie not everyone who posts things about you is marilyn manson. As a man from Germany I just find these clues interesting. I wait for the criminal findings to decide who is right. Maybe you are justified in paranoia because of what manson has done to you but always blaming internet comments on him makes me suspicious about your intentions(scrote)
But it's not justified.
I posted the google search screenshot and posted some links in response to the above story about lola so I presume Annie is also including me in her latest comment. To have manson blames for mine and everyone else's comments is dishonest.
Most if not everyone who posts here isn't marilyn manson, Lindsay or someone he's paying.
I'm not a rape victim
so I don't know the psychology it does but constantly reading gossip sites about yourself I don't think is healthy
>>1166952>Looks like MM isn't the first celebrity they've claimed to have a relationship with?
From the links you’ve provided: >STAR WARS hunk HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN's efforts to keep his love life under wraps have been thwarted, after he was photographed sharing a passionate kiss with a brunette beauty.
She never “claimed” anything, she was photographed with Hayden Christensen by a tabloid. >>1166974
She already owned all this, including cancer. Mystery solved.
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Maybe mods need to introduce a flair system confirming who isn't marilyn manson
This autistic AF. Sorry you don’t know who is and is not Jewish based on what you think you know about last names.
What was up with those earlier posts with pics of her and JJ Abrams? No one really mentioned it but were those possibly flying monkey photoshop jobs? They’re going after her harrrrd.
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I think it was just some idiot seeing gossip about someone with the same last name and just thing it was Annie. Because abrams is such a rare name haha
She was at the beach with Hayden Christensen and a tabloid took a pic to sensationalize. Cause that’s what tabloids do.
I don’t care if she kissed Hayden, who she previously dated, or if you dig up an orgy pic of Annie. She’s allowed and it has nothing to do with Manson.
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haha no thank you. But it is only fair lolcow start to get his royalties given everyone who posts here is marilyn manson
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For the love of god I’m gonna text this chick so she can post here and mods can take note of her IP or something. I guess the evidence she had provided which is more than most tbqh isn’t enough for you to believe that some of us would support her? As a victim
myself of my ex husband I can tell you that I can relate to her and I’d rather anyyyyy day side with her than with him or the nutter doubters. New post tho.
I'm not gonna derail anymore but these ellis island name change, new beginnings type troupes don't apply to ex communist Eastern Europe communities and esp in places like former Yugoslavia lol.
It's not relevant to HER and she can identify as anything she wants and use any name she wants, idgaf. It's weird considering HE fixated on her for that reason and he is a FREAK who cyberstalks everyone and tries to dig up as much dirt on people. I would dearly love to see those conversations leaked where he talks about his lame night porter jew fixation to her.
>>1167035>she's a publicist
that doesnt even make sense or explain her behaivor. are publicists famous for being strange?
i wont add more. enough is wasted on annie already. i am more interested in the police findings which hope come soon
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You ain't kidding. I randomly scrolled through and out of all these accounts you can see in my screenshot, only 1 of them has posted a couple generic pictures.
Every account is following thousands of other accounts.
Is there another reason for this? Does instagram have bot accounts which follow other accounts randomly?
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The profile of one of the accounts following her
I wouldn’t be surprised if Manson went out of his way to “gift” her fake followers after she called Lindsay out on doing just that. Why else would she do that if it was obvious and easy to determine?
And I’m not surprised she’s paranoid and monitoring everything, that is literallyyyyyyyy what Manson threatened her with. Are you daft?
Going by the shitstorm which occurs every time someone mentions A, I'm going to make it clear I posted these screenshots based on my own curiosity after the previous anon comment. I beleive her and the other women. Don't use this to attack them.
It's a weekend and I'm lockdown surf nothing better to do :'((emoticon use)
You believe her yet you add to the smear campaign. I was a victim
as I said above cause my husband dragged my name too after he abused me for years and comments like that don’t help. She called Lindsay out on fake followers and suddenly Annie had a bunch people can buy fake followers for you without you knowing and if anything I feel like this just proved to me that Brian is behind this because I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it happened so shortly after imho(no one cares about your ex)
>>1167059>I wouldn’t be surprised if Manson went out of his way to “gift” her fake followers after she called Lindsay out on doing just that.
is there literally anything BHW isnt
responsible for? It feels like people would blame their leaking taps on him if they could.
tbh I find the constant annie idolising suspicious as much as I do the manson worship.
Having said that not everything suspicious is manson nor is it annie. Things can be suspicious and nothing more than coincidence.
I wish the posters here would take a more level approach and just focus on the actual details as they come out.
This constant bickering over motives and secret messages is retarded. I'd go over to 4chan if i want to read that shit.
With law enforcement involved things are going to proceed very slowly and methodically. This process is going to go over the next few years. There no rush to constantly over analyse every little detail.
An anon makes a comment that annies account has fake followers without implying who is behind it and all of the above comments immediately come out with the invented story that the manson/lindsay camp is behind it.
Hmmmmmmmm…(ban evading yet again)
I haven't posted in a while and new “rules” of the thread are really dumb. If I dislike Manson I don't want to be automatically enrolled into his victims
fandom. Asking questions about victims
is not adding to smear campaign. Who fucking cares what anons post on lolcow? Smear campaign on lolcow my ass.>>1167157
Effie has a thread. Annie, don't follow her steps lol.
Kek at the anons back at focusing on Annie full speed for the past 10 hours and making the thread about her again. She's not the cow we're dealing with here. If you're so desperate to talk about her this much, create a thread for her but don't clog up this one (especially with stuff coming straight from MM camp like they're very reliable or credible lmao).>>1167086>I wish the posters here would take a more level approach and just focus on the actual details as they come out
I second all of your post anon. Said it before, if annie has no milky update, stop bringing her on the table because all it does is derail the thread with constant bickering that clogs up the thread fast, and it gives her unwarranted attention. These repetitive back and forth comments on Annie are annoying as fuck.
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>“laemtao” isn't capitalized.
>Some chats show usernames and others show nicknames.
>“Deancarr” is spelled incorrectly—I'm assuming he meant Dean Karr, as in the photographer.
>“Has Brian called you?” implies that Manson's been in contact with him and could've asked him to harass Evan/other victims.
A monkey could've done a better job photoshopping the video he posted. And it's 100% possible to fake videos like that. There's an app I use that's an exact copy of IG's layout, except you can fake messages, profiles, and stories. All he would've had to do would be to screen record that and it would've looked real (unlike his).
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There's a lot of inconsistencies in the accounts, but what is the point of faking that message from Evan? Why not just have her fake admit to his bullshit, or would that be too obviously a lie?
And what about the original post he deleted showing MM poorly blocked out, why fake that? Unless he's trying to look like he's in contact with MM when he's not, which would not be surprising.
>>1167225>There's a lot of inconsistencies in the accounts, but what is the point of faking that message from Evan?
Because they want Manson to look innocent. If Evan supposedly threatened him, then that makes her look like the dominant, threatening one and less like a victim
. Faking an admittance of fraud would be too obvious because there's no way that she'd admit she was lying (if she was), especially to a known fan.
And the original post was most likely faked too. If he really wanted to hide the fact that he was in contact with Manson, he could've just cropped the picture instead of making it even more obvious by marking over it in multiple colors and still managing to show his name. All you have to do is zoom in. It clearly says Marilyn Manson. He didn't even cover the message up.
>I'm going now. Goodnight bro.
I mean, come on… That doesn't even sound like him.
>Because they want Manson to look innocent. If Evan supposedly threatened him, then that makes her look like the dominant, threatening one and less like a victim.
I guess, I just don't see anything bad in that message. It's restrained and only warns that she will sue if he doesn't stop what he's saying, which he freely admits are lies in order to make a point about false accusations.
Only idiots would think that is threatening and not a pretty reasonable response to his lies, but then again we are talking about Manson fans. They really are grasping at straws.
Before he deleted the full message 'ERWs' post was written in the same unique disjointed and broken syntax that Demi writes in.
His instagram is full of him doing photo manipulation and deepfakes. He's got access to enough free software and lacks enough of a life to shit out a fake ERW dm.
As another example in the last hour he posted this subtle dig at her.
Alright, it may be fake. It's just so fucking ineffectual I don't understand the point.
Also, Brian will definitely be saving that image for his spank bank.
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Also Leslee Lane:
>He was fighting with Lindsay.>He was screaming at Lindsay. It was super uncomfortable. >I saw him whip a full Gatorade bottle at her head. >I spent a year with him. It was mostly a stage persona. He would get dopesick and get scary AF though. >I am not happy especially today because of the conversation I had with Lindsay. She is trying to get my photos. I know why. I just feel used. >I could bury her career in one minute. No I used to stay with them. Like pictures of parties. >>1148333>>1149469>>1149472
Liar or hypocrite, you decide.
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Oh but hey here she is seeking justice kek
Her Twitter is nothing but Manson, her YouTube is nothing but Manson, her Pinterest is a thousand different boards about Manson. She’s deranged.
Maybe a mutual friend told her, or my suspicion is someone saw him there and sent her a pic.
This is America. You can tell reporters that someone is in rehab, it’s not “classified” information.
Her original post about him being in rehab has been taken down so I can’t screencap it but Jordan commented on it with an upside down happy face emoji and Annie responded “you’re my fucking hero” and under another comment about Annie giving the evidence to a reporter Jordan commented “thanks” sooo
Borderline tinfoil but I’m thinking Jordan knows someone at that rehab and they sent her a pic or something of him there
>>1167506>Why should she protect him at all.
Exactly. I don’t care the reasons why she decided to come out now… what matters IS she did… and it couldn’t have happened at a better time. The info she has provided can possibly be helpful in helping others that Manson has tried to fuck over and ruin their reputation with his lies.
KARMA IS A FUCKING BITCH.
I think they'll stay together and see all of this as an opportunity for growth.
That's the picture they began to paint and I feel like it's what they'll finish.
That’s a disgusting thing to laugh at. If he’s after her that aggressively and she’s supported by the Phoenix act and the other victims
, she has solid dirt on him. They wouldn’t take that risk if she had nothing.
An opportunity for growth? Like somehow they’re going to figure out how to not be the two most toxic
people on the earth….together? Lmao
If Lindsay was smart she’d come out and say she was abused, admit to her part in it, leave him, and write a tell all book. Then she’ll finally have the fame she was always so desperate for.
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Urgh. Seeing these photos of ERW being abused just makes me want to cry
Agreed, that would be the best she could possibly do in this situation and she'd benefited in her own way too cause if clout is what she wants, i'm sure women magazines and websites would be all too happy to interview her and if she's lucky they'd even make her into "corageous, inspiring survivor". But Lindsey either knows she's guilty of helping him and fears her running away would make it all worse or she's genuinely obsessed with Manson and won't leave…
what i'd like to know is if Lindsey's in Arizona rehab with Manson. Cause if not, she's possibly free alone in marilyn mansion. Unless Manson took precautions and locked her in his bad girl fish tank.
I know anon, i mean in same rehab facility but in a different section. Lindsey was a cocaine addict too, not sure if alcoholic, this seems to be more Manson thing.
I don't expect he keeps her on a leash everywhere he goes now but i'd be surprised if he wasn't paranoid that she will open her mouth if he leaves her alone.
But maybe he trusts her considering she never leaves.
alright, i wasn't aware
idk but she could have been on drugs at least around Manson in recent year. It must be extra hard to stand Manson while being sober. Plus he has a habit of drugging his girlfriends or insisting on them doing drugs with him. On the other hand, it seems like they weren't living together in recent months before allegations blew up, she came back and it would mean she's been around Manson house for entire month or so. Unless she only visited him for the big talk to discuss how to best save his ass. Huge tinfoil, but maybe she finally has her own apartment close enough to visit Manson once a year, if he even lets her in, lol.
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Lindsay's pretended to be sober before. No one can stay around someone that actively uses, like Manson, and still maintain their sobriety, especially if they were addicts.
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Oh and lmao her story on IG today is like she’s out for blood. She’ll nail him.(not Manson related)
Enough of the "smear campaign" bullshit. People asking questions or being suspicious of suspicious behaivor on lolcow isn't a smear.
Stop this constant fawning.
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>The World According to Annie
now that it's mentioned i rewatched the video, well one of good quality and angle and idk it looks like he hit her across her leg/hands not head but still that was so rude, i can't help i felt bad for her in this moment.>>1167740
I believe Annie overall but idk why she deleted her post explaining her history and modeling Lola past. Not everyone browses lolcow and others might've missed it
Some people are saying they don't believe she was ever in contact with him (at least other than telephone contact). I don't get why she doesn't post some photo to make them shut up, if they spent time together she sure must have some selfies with Manson. Would that interfere with investigation?
That being said, recordings are the key
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Every fucking day this happens.
She’s good at responding. Several posts of hers were taken down including the one where she explained herself. Manson fans are reporting her shit and encouraging others to report it, I mean where there’s smoke there’s fire and imho Annie isn’t promoting anything and she’s just using her private IG to vent so soon after trauma which I’m sure she’s still going through. So my moneys more on obsessed fans and flying monkeys spreading things than it is on her. It’s why she created a second account in case this one gets dropped. I asked her a couple of times to pop over here but she said both times that she’s struggling a lot with the threats and that she’s not ready to be “roasted” as she put it. People defending Annie here are on the better side of history than people defending a criminal abuser or rapist so I’ll give her that. I find it even more weird that some anons are so laser focused on a history from when she was a teen than an abuser who’s proven to be an abuser as proven as he can be outside of court. And this girl has evidence and support from victims
and the Phoenix act itself to back it up. Jmo
Or maybe it’s just easier to support a rape victim
With plenty of evidence than someone who is accused of rape by apparently dozens of women? Just a thought.
History isn't going to be siding with losers like us gossiping on lolcow.
Most people, myself included, seem to be open to beleive her but are cautious because there are a lot of ambiguities and strange occurrences. It wouldn't be fair to consider critical thinking as being attacks on a victim
Unfortunately there are people who do exploit such events for their own goals and as long as Annie continues to appear like such a person there will be people not willing to trust her on her word alone.
Blind faith doesn't help anyone.
Let's keep an open mind and wait for real evidence to come forward before we start making 100% certain declarations (this goes for the manson stans as well)(ban evading yet again)
And there may be serious reasons why it hasn’t been. Her post and comments on that post were liked by several victims
and she thanked one of them. To have a healthy amount of skepticism is one thing. But when someone has that much support with evidence to go along with it, it’s just painting a good enough picture for me. I don’t know why it hadn’t been reported but this is her private IG and she can say what she wants. Could be bullshit but the other victims
acknowledging it just paints a different picture for me. Welp.
It's good to see but the victims
liking her posts don't necessarily mean much. It's not like they have special access to confirm her claims. They're like us and want to beleive other women who step forward. Though I would expect the Phoenix project to heavily audit what they stand by. If someone was found to be lying they would suffer irreparable damage.
God I hope there are repercussions if these women are found to be lying. Haven’t read any stories that sound remotely believable or that lineup with any sort of reality.
Also, he’s not in rehab. Y’all are tools for believing her. Annie doesn’t even live in this country. Why would she have her fingers on the pulse as to the current location of Marilyn Manson???? Anyone explain why she is credible at all?? She doesn’t talk or behave much like a victim
, or better yet… like a victim
who happens to also be a publicist who would understand how a victim
should portray themselves publicly to maintain a high level of credibility. She comes across more as aaaaa…jealous vindictive cunt And a total amateur publicist.
Whatever personal qualms you have about Annie is irrelevant. She's a credible source because she has proof she knew him, along with recordings of him and his text messages. She has no reason to lie about being raped. It's only gotten her negative attention.
And Manson could be in rehab for all we know. Jordan lives in the States and Annie thanked her in the comments, so she could've been the one to tip her off.
>>1167845>it’s only gotten her negative attention
Hmm I disagree, being a victim
is almost like a badge of honor on social media nowadays. Especially when it’s a rape/DV case because it gets the feminist virtue signalling side of twitter/instagram excited.
I think MM is a total asshole, junkie, narc, you name it. I’m sure he was an asshole to Annie, I’m sure he did mistreat her because he’s mistreated most women he has been in long term relationships with, including the ones who are neutral, like Dita. The ones who sing his praises seem to be the groupie types he pump and dumped, who were dazzled by his fame and want to keep in with him. Narcs can seems like the perfect partners in the initial lovebombing stages and I’m sure he is very charming and charismatic and funny in the short term but living with him is hell. But I also do think there’s a good deal of embellishment and exaggeration in Annie’s stories. She is clearly very scorned but that doesn’t necessarily mean it has to do with being raped or abused. Do I think he used her and was probably a huge asshole at times? Sure. Do I think he ever raped her, physically abused her or is trying to gang stalk her? No. Him being a pompous overbearing asshole isn’t a crime.
Several people have accused him of threats, smear campaigns, fake accounts, or illegally obtaining info on people. It’s not like Annie’s the only one who made this claim and it’s natural to be suspicious. >>1167839>Haven’t read any stories that sound remotely believable
So you’re of the camp it’s all a conspiracy? That’s truly not rational.
>Also, he’s not in rehab.
Are you in contact with him? >>1167779>I believe Annie overall but idk why she deleted her post explaining her history and modeling Lola past. Not everyone browses lolcow and others might've missed it
This I agree with, that confused me too. I wish she would give an explanation on why it was removed. >>1167816
It’s strange someone won’t back up the rehab claim but if the source is Jordan who heard it from someone presumably close to Manson leaking info they might not be in a position to publicly reveal who. Annie said she told a reporter “off the record” which would imply they don’t have permission to publish it. >>1167853>She is clearly very scorned
How are you getting that? She stopped taking to him when shit got too weird. Manson admitted to obtaining info on people via “off the grid” sources on audio. Getting death threats is beyond a “pompous overbearing asshole.”
I’ve no idea if you’re a woman or not, but I can tell you with a certainty that I don’t know a single woman who’d put herself through that. She could’ve dropped the tapes and it would’ve been enough. If the Phoenix act people are working with the FBI and openly showed support for Annie, she has the dirt and the evidence. Spin it however you want but to not believe a victim
even with that much evidence is gross to me. As she asked someone on there what do you want, a rape tape? Gtfo
Dozens of people dmd her she told me and incl me and she said the post was reported and removed. Several posts she made were removed because some scummy mansonites couldn’t handle their idol being called out so they asked people openly to report her posts. Pretty sure the screenshots were posted on here or in the previous post of people asking everyone to report her. Anyone pretending that this is easy for any of the victims
is delusional. It was hard enough for me to convince my mutual friends with my ex to believe me that he was abusing me. Doing it on a wider scale like this is making my head spin just thinking about it
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Sorry for putting the spotlight back on Manson. Here's a bit more info on LASD enquiry into MM. There is a case open confirmed. This reporter also alleges the case opened would be about Evan. Thought the status of limitation passed?
Are you going to give context because wtf.>>1167890
That’s the only article that mentions a case file has been opened? It could be sloppy wording that the sheriff is officially investigating. If it’s indeed true, Manson was involved with more people then just Evan between 2009-2011.
Feel free to add a better caps/link if you do have one.
That's one of a handful articles from a few hours ago that's updated the LASD story with an official confimation a case is really open. Not the exact same story, just a small update from the previous one.
yeah that could more likely be something along those lines>>1167895>That’s the only article that mentions a case file has been opened? It could be sloppy wording that the sheriff is officially investigating. If it’s indeed true, Manson was involved with more people then just Evan between 2009-2011.
I thought it might be sloppy wording but a few perhaps dozen articles have updated with the exact same quote so I think they really got some kind of official confirmation there truly is a case open and not just a vague "investigation".
Yeah you're right, might not even be related to Evan though for obvious reasons everyone alleges it's about her in every article, could be about anyone else. They all mention domestic abuse though which is surprising because of what we heard of the status of limitation.
To be followed…
She never said anything about suing them, she said she filed a police report against Lindsay. Often a police report is just to have something on file saying this person has been a problem for you before.
As far as Leslee goes, she’s such a fucking idiot that as soon as she saw that she probably assumed she’d need a lawyer and thought maybe that’d be a good opportunity to ask people for money. She is truly the dullest tool in the shed.
Couldn’t agree more. Wild exaggerated claims about the rape victim
being a pathological liar is such an old excuse and way to discredit a victim
. This is so predictable. If you’re Brian, whoever told you that’s a good idea is dumb but I guess it works in the victims
favor. If you’re her ex acquaintance, this isn’t a good way to get attention or exhibit such pettiness. If you’re a mansonites: of course you’re latching on to something so transparently bad in terms of excuses.
Leave the chick alone. It’s a Manson board and she has provided good milk but there’s none right now so move the fuck on and stop trying to discredit a rape victim
in such an obvious and predictable way.
Lmao at the leslee jab. Exactly.
Yeah it's the same sperging anons that show up everytime we get back on topic, eg the MM. I'm not saying say amen to the gospel according to St Annie, but stop bringing her up every damn time we get back on track in the thread regarding MM. Everytime we do, they show up and post a shitty comment that's been made perhaps a thousand times "muh Annie is such a con though". Cue anons taking the bait and having lengthy debate with repetitive comments on the matter.
It's just tiresome and I'm not sure what these anons are trying to achieve. This is fucking lolcow, a gossip board, hardly the place where MM will build or blow his PR. If these anons are unrelated to MM, and so keen on Annie, why not create a thread on her instead of hijacking this one constantly.
And yes, MM seems laying low for now. Wonder where the FBI is at now?
>>1167875>Dozens of people dmd her she told me and incl me and she said the post was reported and removed.
Can you post a cap so there’s confirmation? >>1167993
Why would he call her if he doesn’t know her in person? That makes even less sense. So Manson is calling women he doesn’t know well and taking shit for hours?
If he said incriminating things, he should be held accountable.>>1168029
Leslee Lane is no position to defend Manson, she can be added to the list of witnesses who saw Manson abuse Lindsay.
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Remember when we “randomly” started talking about Annie a month ago on here before Evan named M? That was kind of weird considering. Also I’m confused by the screenshots of MM liking her post. “Liked by Marilyn Manson and others” not trying to tinfoil just genuinely asking- I’ve never seen Instagram not post the number of people who like the post. Has anyone else seen it just say “liked by so and so and others”?
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I often get “and others” instead of a number.
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Her captions are usually over the top and cringe, she tried so hard to paint a certain picture.
Yeah it is a bit strange to talk with internet friends for hours but not impossible, also it's covid.. She said he raped her, that was the only mention of real life contact I believe.
As for incriminating stuff being said during these calls, from what I heard it was kind of rude or mean but not illegal? I might have missed some though.. I don't know, not defending him, just wondering if the evidence from Annie is legally relevant.. It might be, plus he may have harmed her and not left evidence of that.
She didn’t specify how she met him or when which I agree leaves many questions. If her texts from Manson are legit, it does show blackmail and threats. She did state she intentionally withheld more incriminating evidence for an investigation.
Hypothetically speaking, if she’s full of shit and they never met in person, that means Manson is incessantly drunk dialing his online side chicks while married to Lindsay.
I don’t really follow, are you saying Annie copied Evan?
Lots of people read Evan’s testimony and Twitter posts, there’s no indication Annie was privy to inside info unless Manson told her.
The more likely scenario is that he’s been doing this to all the victims
. Annie said she never intended to speak up because she was afraid no one would believe her and that the blackmail would seem far fetched. What changed her mind was finding out that he has done this to all victims
Nope. I didn't mean that. I wonder if he really doesn't understand that what he did to Evan/Esmé/etc is abuse. Did he hesitate for a second before discussing it with Annie?
If he tried to gaslight Evan's and Esmé's words, did he do it intentionally in conversations with Annie who's most likely survived abuse very similar to theirs?>>1168164
It means she started recording him after the MH article?
My abuser (who is not meatball hamson) claims he was most definitely never abusive
and everyone is over exaggerating including doctors, psychologists and police. Whether he understands it or not he's going to deny it for his sense of self-preservation. They hate themselves so much they couldn't stand the thought that anything they've done is ever wrong. I often thought my abuser was brain damaged or had some mental deficiency.(blogging)
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I’ve been asked to post here SO many times and I wasn’t necessarily opposed to it but then the death and rape threats got out of control and I was advised to try and ignore it. Someone here took a screenshot of a few comments and, honestly bless some of you for showing support but there are clearly also those who are resorting to the classic “pathological liar”, “manipulator”, “omg look what they’ve done decades ago” rhetoric that is textbook shit that abusers and their flying monkeys do to victims.
As a victim, I’ve no issues if I’m not believed right now because time will tell, right? If some feel better for questioning me, that’s your right. It’s important to be objective when it comes to all parties involved so I can’t even blame you. But I’ve nothing to gain here, I’ve no interest in furthering my career nor do I care for the threats and my own stepdad wanting to call the police because the threats got to him and he wants to protect our family, as any father would.
I also don’t really have the etiquette down because no sane person would come to a place like this to write this for fear of being called an attention seeker. But I’m not proficient in etiquette when it comes to this, I don’t know what I’m doing and I don’t know how to cope. I have good days and bad days. I am dealing as best as I can. And if my very best is coming here to say this, then that’s what I have to do at that stage even if it bites me in the ass.
But I am here to point out that certain individuals who have made comments here are not only familiar to me but also to you. At least one hint is in my picture here. These people not only hone their skills in writing like it’s not coming from them but they also pay close attention to how others write so they can try and copy that.
Full disclosure: my history isn’t the greatest and I’ve no qualms admitting that. I had untreated and war-related childhood PTSD. I’ve watched my aunt getting raped and killed in the same room as me. I watched my 8yo cousin getting shot. And I buried it all. So when I lost an important person in my life, I lost myself for a bit. I distanced myself from people temporarily and refused to believe he had actually died. For two months, I was in a deep state of trauma and it took me another 8 months to pull myself out of it, acknowledge his death and, finally, work on moving on.
Being a child of rape doesn’t help because then you’re sort of the black sheep of the family, even though my mother and stepdad never treated me as such. But I still felt like I needed to prove myself somehow. So when we finally arrived in Canada, I felt pressured (by myself and my insecurities) to “make it”. I thought modelling would do that and I didn’t want to use my old name (which was my biological father’s last name — as it was common to take that on back home in ex-Yugo). So I made up a stage name. Hated modelling or being in front of the camera so that was short lived. I’ll never understand how something like having a stage name (yes, fake name) is controversial but I guess they’re desperate.
Also genuinely not sure why anyone would claim I faked having cancer? I had AML when I was in my teens. Had chemo, a bone marrow transplant from my sister (who died in January this year and M mocked me for it which is when I decided to finally purge him from my life) and that was that. I was in remission, took up smoking — as one does after having leukaemia— tried my best to just live and be good.
The post I made where I provided a timeline was removed because these psychos have been reporting my posts and encouraging other fans to do so as well. I’ve decided to come here to clarify this as well as point out the swarming of certain bullies here. Not saying everyone is and yes, paranoia is still very much alive thanks to M but I can still tell with at least a couple of people here. I also decided to write this because some anons have been messaging me and have been absolutely lovely, frank, supportive and downright relatable when it comes to untangling yourself from an abuser.
I hope the admins allow this long ass post as an exception, but honestly, if you don’t it’d be an honour to be temporarily banned solely because I kind of appreciate the no-fucks-given attitudes here.
Be well, be alert, stay sane and stay safe. I wish everyone truly the best. I’m not sure I’ll stick around after posting this because I can honestly barely handle the threats as it is and I’ve just slowly started feeling a little better so I’d like to cling to that for as long as possible. I hope the topic goes back to the abuser that this thread is about and whenever I do have something milky to share, go nuts. Much love to you all.
Annie, I believe you and thank you for clarifying about your posts being taken down by people reporting it.
If you’re able, can you please briefly state how you met Manson and when? I’m tired of the Manson stans claiming you have no proof you know him irl.
Thank you everyone and I really appreciate it. I don’t know how to quote multiple posts so I’ll quickly say that I’m not removing that and am willing to take that risk. If they want to use anything I wrote there against me, so be it because that is me and my truth. They keep using PTSD against me as if that means I couldn’t possibly be raped somehow. So let them. It’s cool. >>1168196
I’ll explain how I met him very soon (not on IG or here). I didn’t mention it because I am dealing with the legal side of things when it comes to sharing information. My IG is my venting place. It’s not my intention to dodge any topics. So if I don’t answer something or avoid addressing something, assume that I’m either paranoid, self-conscious or the more likely: I can’t talk about it yet.
She’s posting here because her posts on IG keep getting removed by assholes. >>1168200
Thank you for explaining. >>1168201
Lol you triggered
I’ve said and done a lot of things I’m not proud of when he threatened me. If that’s a poor excuse, that’s cool. I understand. But I was afraid as hell and really low. I didn’t believe a word he said and I knew he was lying but I still went “uh huh” and “yep” when he felt like ranting about Evan for 7 hours straight. Had I known there was no way out of this anyway and that I had to leave even if that meant he’d try to destroy me, I’d have done so sooner. But I kept clinging to the hope that he’d leave me alone if I cooperated and just listen. He has spent more time talking to me in one year than he probably has in the ten years he’s known and on-and-off dated his wife.
There’s really not much else I can add to that and I apologize if that’s not the answer you’re looking for. But it’s as simple as that. I was afraid. Genuinely terrified.
Can't you fucking stop reacting to the troll?>>1168208
Thank you for answering.
Ngl I can't say I am your fan, or Evan's, or Esme's but I am here for the milk about Manson and Lindsay, I am gonna thank you for that kek.
Appreciate all of this. You are the most refreshing and honest person. Thank you again for posting, and I’m glad you stuck around to see the mostly positive replies.
Ignore any negative fuckwads in here, it was bound to happen.
Also - the passive agg responses like “I’m not really a fan of yours but…” kek gtfo. Really not necessary. Like she’s sitting there thanking you for not being a cunt even though you’re “not really a fan”.
Not that anon you mentioned but how the hell it was passive aggressive? Some of you do think that ppl here have to admire every victim
. Ever considered some ppl like to stay neutral?
I am going to agree with >>1168195
I appreciate the effort but I am sure we are about to have a new shit storm with nitpicking, fights over wording, etc, etc.
Thank you anons who cow tipped and summoned Annie to the thread.
When you guys were talking for hours at a time did he ever talk to you about Lindsay? In regards to his actual feelings for her? I’m so curious how he explained his relationship with her, especially because every single other girl that’s been in the picture in the last ten years has said that he told them he didn’t love Lindsay. Is that just a line he’s giving or ? Really what the fuck is the deal there?
You’re brave and we appreciate you, and I know the majority of us are in your corner.
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It's been discussed over the history of these threads that she met him when she was 24-25 and has had absolutely arrested interpersonal development since, infact has probably degraded since then in terms of her ability to think and live like a fully mature adult. Being Manson's wife has literally become her entire identity and greatest achievement in life.
If anything, Manson will probably kick her to curb once he leaves rehab and his legal issues are resolved. He no longer has any reason to appease her if rumors about her blackmailing him to marry her are true since everything is out now. He won't have any money left once this is over to support her NEET lifestyle anyway. Just my personal thoughts, the strongest cases are Evan and Esme and they were so long ago I'm sure a lot of crucial evidence is gone now. I don't think he will see hard jail time but he will live out the rest of his life as a destitute recluse surviving off of hand outs from old friends and trickle down royalties.
Agree but Annie's accusations are recent. Rape is rape, he'll go to prison.
Gabriella was abused not long ago, and you shouldn't forget Esmé is pushing the trafficking version, it doesn't have a SoL.
Technically Annie is in Canada, in the five seconds I spent researching crimes involved foreign national it seems like Canada has the right to prosecute him for this crime since the victim
is a Canadian National and I don't know if the Unites States is compelled to extradite him to do anything there without a strong case.
Gabriella's story is obviously awful but I don't remember anything there to be a prosecutable offense that can be proven in court.
Youll explain where you met him but not on ig or here?
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Okay sorry if this is too OT but I can't take it anymore. Every time I see this thread pic, I initially think it's a picture of Mitch McConnell. Every single fucking time. Please tell me I'm not alone here.
You are not alone anon lol
And thanks to Annie for stopping by today. I think we can all agree to get back on topic now and wait for the milk.
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What’s he gonna use to paint his chins in jail?
Hey fruit loop, you realize not everyone sleeps at night and not everyone lives in the US?
Ffs. Posts overnight don't mean it's marilyn freaking manson tapping away at at his keyboard.
Put the bong down.
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Do you check under your bed before you sleep in case marilyn manson is hiding there?(stop)
What the literal fuck does any of this "look at me, I'm not perfect but-" word salad have to do with anything? Is Annie an actual victim
of Manson of just a failed model wannabe starfucker trying to be a celebrity victim
for clout? I can't keep it all separated anymore.
We have to just wait and see.
It could go either way.
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Oh my god I love you both, thank you for validating me. Here's my contribution. They're All Stars, Now.
> "anons" "temporarily banned" "something milky to share" "I hope the topic GOES BACK…"
GTFO! she's got got the lingo down for a first time reader/ first time poster. are you sure you got "asked to post here SO many times" ?? hahahaahahaha. Annie, baby grrl…you're so terribly transparent.
REAL TALK: How were you aware this thread was off topic IF ITS YOUR FIRST TIME POSTING HERE?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Lol she literally mentioned lolcow in her original statement, she never claimed to be a newbie.
It's been very obvious to some of us she's been constantly posting here.
Has no one else noticed the "multiple people" who all of a sudden spam this thread with pro- Annie comments or try to detail with Manson conspiracies all use the same spelling and phrases she does on instagram? Its so obvious
I think Evan's been pretty open about the fact that she did not realise the extent of abuse and manipulation from Brian until she started hearing the reations of other people, and yes ultimately spoke to a prpfessional and was diagnosed with Complex PTSD.
Sounds pretty reasonable so I don't know why you chose to use a loaded term like "changed her tune." It's not like people agree to being manipulated, that's kind of the whole point of manipulation.
Link an example.
I’m pro Annie and I’m not Annie.
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There isn’t any “Manson conspiracies”. What’s been said about him has been proven true. Especially this:
Wow you all really know how to shit up a thread
If you don’t have milk just post some Marilyn McConnells please
Some Mitch McMansons
It's not bait, I have yet to see anything that clarifies Annie's role re: Manson succinctly. Also, actual info abt Manson barely trickles in while discussion of a thirsty nobody continues to go exactly nowhere because Annie can never actually say
I lost track of how much shit Brian has actually done outside of the ERW and Dita shit because all these IG screenshots are blurring together and say… Nothing, really. Annie's entire blogpost didn't actually claim or clarify anything relevant to Brian or the thread, it just serves to get her attention. Why is it so hard to streamline information and summarize it so that you don't have to be personally invested in these literal whos to keep up with what is supposed to be a thread about Manson?
The only new thing we have learned through all of this is that Manson is an addict, more so than anyone thought even before, not just substance abuses, but of all women and attention, he can not be alone and not anyone's attention is ever enough. Call it obsessive or extreme. He did sign up to be a rock star after all and he did move himself to Hollywood, so he never wanted to be an outsider. He is a bad boyfriend and has the usual hang-ups with the ever changing groupies. That is what this all seems to amount to, so far, without any evidence of more than what we have gotten. Typical Hollywood and rock star behavior and many girls fall for this and learn and move on. He is married now, probably will not change, but it seems like Lindsay is fine with it and this lifestyle, so he picked the right one.
>>1168512>Typical Hollywood and rock star behavior
So “typical” Hollywood rockstar behavior is getting investigated by the FBI for “child trafficking”? Huh?
Quit making excuses. There’s plenty of rockstars who do not have this behavior. He needs to be locked up in mental institution or prison.
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Everyone shut your pie holes about old squabbles and post some god-damn-motherfucking-manson-mcconnells
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Of course there’s Manson on the ‘Marilyn Manson Defender’s’ page defending himself under his fake, alongside buddy Leslee. Haha…. not surprising.
I don’t think he realizes just because he hasn’t been arrested yet doesn’t mean he’s in the clear.
You realize this whole forum is essentially depressed lonely people and annoying femcels trash talking, right? I’m not even joking, the moment I saw people call men ‘scrotes’ it was kind of obvious.
My point was, a law existing doesn’t mean that it makes sense for it to be illegal in the first place. It’s funny you automatically assume I want to fuck 15 year olds or anyone underage because I made an argument towards you, but that’s just what people like to do I suppose. You people are mostly, I assume, left leaning and feminist. It seems strange to me that on here people bring up shit like say adult grooming and I have to wonder: if you want to empower women, why do you constantly make excuses for men to be criminals and women to not take responsibility for their own role/actions in the situation? Take minors out of the equation, only consenting adults. People STILL cape for women on here always.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Mansonisabusive IG posted this. Apparently the “letter” Manson read on stage from an ex in 2015 was actually a text from Lindsey. What I’m wondering is how anyone got a hold of this screenshot / if Lindsey is now trying to save herself from crashing and burning with Manson since all her abusive behaviors are also leaking.
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As a humorous aside, this ridiculous shit was posted by MMNews today. Manson didn’t marry Lindsay? Ok..
He's probably taking everything out on her—if he's not in Meadows, but going to rehab would probably be his best defense. Or she finally left. That would be her best option because there's no more publicity for her to sponge off of and by the time his trial is over (if there is a trial, assuming some of his recent victims
are pressing charges), a big chunk of his money will be gone.
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Just published, it’s about Bianca Allaine.
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Hm… I hope no one else?
Was this also when she was 19?
I don't mean to kink shame but it sounds trashy to me but nothing illegal.
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The new picture of evan on leslie's page is reminiscent of this picture. And I dont feel comfortable sharing it.(imageboard)
I don’t know why I’m cackling at the line “everyone ghosted me, even the assistant!”
Clutches pearls. The audacity. Even the wait staff!
Power dynamics or not, if she was 18 or older the point than becomes an argument that the age of consent and what we deem a legal adult should be made higher.
That argument can be made elsewhere.
As it stands today, society has determined those 18 years or older have the maturity and intellectual facilities to take responsibility for themselves to a degree we cannot reasonably afford any error on their behalf as being due to immaturity.
Speaking of Leslee here is a plothole;
Is she still in contact with Lindsay and if so….is sharing those pictures of her own accord?
By her own account, he forcefully missed her when she was 16 but had no sexual relationship until she was 19.
Super creepy and pathetic a middle aged man is kissing 16yos but I'm not sure whether this falls into anything illegal. A lot more context on the specifics would be required to determine anything untoward having occurred. It could have been a awkward kiss on the cheek for all we know. >>1169006
My own interpretation is she's sharing these images to counter ERWs Karla Homolka-esque claims by demonstrating she was in fact just as much a willing participant.(ban evasion)
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Possibly just to stir the pot. And if Lindsay is involved then maybe for publicity…?
I'm just saying the attemping to discredit someone who is pressing charges against you for blackmail using the same "incriminating" photos you used to blackmail that same person…which you openly admitted to doing…
I feel like I'm watching "Days of Our Lives"
Exactly, if she witnessed him in pedophilia activity by “fondling her underage friends” she can help other victims
Leslee is such an idiot. Lindsay used her for her pics and would probably throw her under the bus if it ever came to a lawsuit.
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Saw this in comments on marilynmansonnews
Does anyone remember if this is true?
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then why post about it if you aren't going to share it you faggot. this is an imageboard
Yeah, that is a much tamer image than the one shown at >>1168993
That's Evan's brother btw, not Brian, so it's obviously in good fun.
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I’ve seen the edited version. There’s footage of Manson feeding a black mouse to his snake while saying, “kill the n*gger” that was shot by Melissa. It was cut out of the original. It was supposed to be released soon by someone in the documentary. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1999-01-07-9901070110-story.html
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You only need to look at his song titles. The man is a bonerfide racist and didn't even try to hide it.
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To be fair, one is a Pattie Smith cover and she is a legend.
>>1169202>but not illegal.
Are you at least paid to be his PR? lol
Who the fuck cares if it’s illegal, racism should be. He’s still a documented racist asshole.
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Hes also a "priest" with the church of satan.
its like he gets some morbid satisfaction from disrespecting normal social values. How the fuck did shows like American Gods justify hiring such an obvious degenerate?
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It was only a honorary title given because he was friendly with LaVey, he’s not associated with the CoS. >>1169209>>1169212
Of course racism isn’t putting him behind bars but kinda gross if that’s your only concern with this.
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so ive done some research on the man and would you beleive Marilyn Manson isnt his real name? its a fake name he stolen from Charles Manson.
yes THAT Charles manson. he named himself after a serial killer.
you cant make this shit up. unbelievable hes been able to get away with this for so long(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
You are so right.>>1169249
Were you born just yesterday?
The thread has been insufferable, really.
A really powerful interview by FKA Twigs who speaks with oprahs wife.
She goes into detail about the abuse mansons protege Shia LeBoofe committed and it sounds identical to what mansons victims
How's that Manson related?
Lebarf is not his protégé. They did party together in 2012, that's it.
Will you now post about JD and AH in this thread too?
Like there isn't enough bs posted.
Doesn't take long for the manson and Shia sycophants to come out does it ;)
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Shia and Manson used to be very close with SlB even planning to make a documentary on MM. They partied together and Shia clearly took an artistic influence from MM. Theres no coincidence their crimes against women are almost identical(ban evading yet again)
Is it the same girl who met him at 16 and that night one of her friends got raped? She also said John 5 is a pedo. Btw hopefully they'll investigate him too.
Why did she think it was a good idea to date Manson when she was 19 after what had happened?
I wish I were that adventurous in my life kek. (it's a joke moralfags)>>1169265
Shia directed the born Villain video, I know enough. I don't care what lebarf did, their crimes are similar bc both are psycopaths but it IS NOT Shia's thread. And don't use emojis.
Reread her statement. >>1150714
When did she accuse John 5?
Well, Brian has been dropped by his record label, management, cut from projects and effectively disappeared off the face of the earth since the allegations - so I wouldn't say nothing has come of it.
In terms of criminal charges, there is an ongoing investigation and we have to wait to see if anything will come of that.
Nothing is being reported because there is currently nothing to report, doesn't mean things aren't still happening in the background.
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This is low-key true but there is one unusual thing, in contrast to what they say in the pic, - the thing is there is a ton of photos taken by MM which could actually be a good evidence-base. Don't forget about the videos too.
Lawyers usually stick to one type of cases because that's how they want their career to be. >>1169294>>1169290
Good point. I like to think it's because the FBI is at work.
>disappeared off the face of the earth
not yet. hehe.>>1168226
Reread my post and yours, you are the only agro here. Tell me what's necessary on the Internet one more time kek.
Calling out the lawyers is a weird one. Most lawyers have a speciality and those with more experience in a particular crime are going to sought after.
By photo and video evidence, do you mean the edgy art and photoshoots he does? Using these seems like a real stretch and quite dishonest. If Stephen King were ever accused of a serious crime are we going to go through all his books and act like it was in front of us the whole time? I just feel this argument gives an appearance of having nothing else of substance to base the accusations on
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Imagine how much shit L has on him
Unfortunately, you are kinda right about it. However, this "art" helped to win the public opinion. I would love to know if he ever payed Evan or Esme for those photos. For example, Evan was payed for the video (Heart-Shaped Glasses), IF
he payed Esme too, it's gonna be so hard to prove he trafficked her. Because IF
he payed her, it boils down to having an affair with an actress whom he invited to work with him and paid her, whilst working together they developed romantic relationship and later they even moved in. The video didn't come out for whatever reasons, it's not unusual. It doesn't cancel the emotional abuse Esme described but that will be hard to prove after so many years.>>1169340
He couldn't remember what he was saying in that video that Lindsay posted? KEK.
Thanks for the caps.
Wait a second!
It's 2016 right??? We have CAPS in old threads of HER MOTHER TALKING ABOUT POLICE REPORTS AND PHOTOS IN 2016.
I am so pissed I don't remember anything like that, I followed her but it seems I missed it bc of the time zones.
I want to believe Hope Harvey is burning in hell right now. She did blackmail Manson into staying with her daughter, and the blackmail was the evidence he abused Lindsay. INSANE.
Pardon me for samefagging for the last 3 posts but
Hope's Twitter in December 2016 >>951928
>>1169328>By photo and video evidence, do you mean the edgy art and photoshoots he does?
Read the previous threads again. It's been reported by several of MM accusers that he takes pictures and videos of them without their consent before/during/after violent incidents/sex acts in order to blackmail them.
Dozens of them have reported the exact same thing. Some of them spoke about handing over evidence they had to the FBI and/or police.
As classy as Lindsay you wanted to say?
Yes, it is her mom. I can see you are new to the thread, I highly recommend you the 1-3 threads, these are top kek with a lot of caps and milk. Currently it's lame bullshit that we have here.
Holy shit anon, good call. What kind of mother blackmails a man with evidence he ABUSED her daughter instead of calling the police and flying to LA and getting her help to leave the relationship? What the fuck???
Re: Manson’s blackmail I’m sure all his spy store goodies and their hard drives have been destroyed by now. Unless he sent it to the victims
it’s gone forever. I think the single biggest thing is his locking women up. I think if the period of time exceeds 12 hours it’s considered kidnapping and comes with a minimum sentence of 12 to life.
>>1169343> emotional abuse
apparently he left bruises on her so it's more than just emotional
> if he paid Esme, he didn't traffic her
quit armchair lawyering. clearly you don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. human trafficking encompasses situations in which people are recruited and transported by means of deception, or by the abuse of power or the giving or receiving of payments. MM paid for her plane ticket and told her that she would be starring in a music video but he ended up sexually abusing her during that visit. she didn't sign up for that. he transported her internationally and beat her with a whip and tortured her with an electric sex toy on her wounds. to describe that situation as merely an "affair" is stupid as fuck and contradicts the law
I think Esme may possibly have good trafficking case, especially if it can corroborate with any other possible victims
he may have tried to traffic for sex.
There were like 50 victims
each for both of them and there was no prerequisite of making edgy art with any of those cases. Anons are right this situation is much more nuanced then Weinstein jerking off in front of half of LA under the pretense of a meeting. I’m not as familiar with Crosby’s case. I think the closest thing to compare this to is R Kelly- did he actually see any hard jail time?
At time esme assured him she wanted that though, even texting him how good the scars felt. It's sickening, but when the victim
does that then moves in with him and leaves her husband it gets muddy indeed
Apparently you should try to reread my post.
>MM paid for her plane ticket
This is common practice. Models, actors and actresses (usually A list) are often invited to take part in a project abroad and in this case it is absolutely fine if the initiator pays the expenses, i.e. tickets, apartment, sometime meals. It works like that in many industries, not only in entertainment. Thus there is nothing wrong if he paid for her ticket. If it is supposed they already were in romantic relationship at the time, it doesn't change anything about the tickets.
>told her that she would be starring in a music video but he ended up sexually abusing her during that visit.
(1) and she starred in a video, idk if it was a music video. apparently there is a video which was never released. Evan even posted a story about it, a cap from the nachtkabarett. Is it illegal not to release a video? Nope if you are a creator and you have the rights. Is it okay not to send the video\photos to the actress\model? It depends on the agreement. Sometimes it is completely fine, sometimes no. What's important in Manson's case is if there was any agreement in first place.
(2) he sent her the plot beforehand, as far as I remember he had told her she would be manhandled(?) some actors had sex on camera, including violent sex and other not really pleasant to discuss stuff. The question is how many details were revealed before they started "working" together and if the details were listed in the agreement, basically if she agreed to do certain things or not. It is also interesting to know if that agreement was on papers or not. I will explain why in a few sentences. If it was on papers and was signed then there must have been a sentence or two about the money Esme would get for the job right? If he paid her the money it means there was an agreement, things become tricky and Esme will need to prove that she didn't agree to do certain things (or she wasn't given full information, or the agreement itself lacked the details) which she calls sexual abuse now, etc. If it was an oral agreement and no money was ever paid, Manson will have hard time trying to convince the jury everything was consensual (or the agreement ever existed at all). He could use the texts she sent him, saying she loved the experience, Esme's side would have to prove that she was made to think
she liked it, basically to prove she was manipulated
I don't know what to expect from this case given the context which is this >>1169378
It's good to know Esme had participated in BDSM sessions, that means she was experienced and Manson can't defend himself by saying it was BDSM bc she knows what BDMS is like. It's also great there are many cases like hers in which he manipulated or lied or gaslit (I mean Ashley Morgan) bc it will show it's impossible that Esme misunderstood him or she lies, that there is a pattern in his behaviour, not hers. (btw will Ashley Morgan try to press the charges?)
Your problem anon is that you are trying to throw in my face facts that are not problematic
\illegal by themselves. If you can't hold a mature conversation, don't reply to my posts please. This is a gossip site where people are allowed to discuss anything that's not against the rules. I am speculating over the ongoing investigation against the cow, just like other anons.
I am just sitting here, waiting when some of you guys will watch (s)aint and start screaming that Manson sexually abused Tim Skold, Dita, Asia, and everybody else in the video, kek.>>1169430
true, my bad.
Doesn't change much about my words above though.
If let it be there was not any agreement or payment, he'll probably try to pull "I shot my gf in my music video fuck off" and then he'll have to explain the lyrics kek.
From Esme's account in newspaper, she alleges she was never paid for her work and locked up in his house for 3 days. MM did send an email shortly beforehand about mandling, but in short notice with few details by what she recounts. Caps are posted in previous thread.
I think if her lawyer pushes human trafficking, they know why they're doing it.
We don't have the whole case open with evidence in front of us - law enforcement do. If they're going for that, seems very likely they know they have a ground.
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Forgot the add picrel. Department of Homeland security.
If there’s other victims
that could corroborate with her, that he did exploit, and profited commercially; there could be a good case against him.
I’m talking about real victims
, not groupies who were “willing”. I don’t think that’s illegal. And according to Esme, she’s claiming she never got paid. Which at first I thought she did get paid for her work with him.
I think it doesn't really matter.
She didn't say anything about money at all in that article.
>Again, she didn’t do any “work” for him that she didn’t agree to beforehand.
We don't know. As anon said above we don't know if they had agreed on everything and what this ‘everything’ is before filming.
I choose to believe this anon >>1169495
is right and the lawyers know what they're doing.
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>I think the single biggest thing is his locking women up. I think if the period of time exceeds 12 hours it’s considered kidnapping and comes with a minimum sentence of 12 to life.
Kidnapping has to involve transportation of the person. False Imprisonment is more like it, however the SoL would have expired for the older cases.
Unless I've missed something, what I don't understand is why the details of the California accusations were redacted from Senator Rubio's letter? It could be that Human Trafficking is all they have, and it was redacted because Esme wasn't ready and/or they were delaying those accusations so as not to dominate the headlines. They are contentious accusations as evident from this thread, and may have undermined the whole movement from the start.
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I was remembering this case of a failed fashion writer who went insane and broke into his colleagues apartment and held her captive while enacting parts of his failed play about Andy Warhol (yes lol). He was convicted of kidnapping even though no transportation happening.
Bianca said in the article above she’s been harassed and her accounts hacked since speaking out. >>1168876
Maybe that has something to do with it.
What does, the video or her texts?
Lindsay deleted the video quickly and I’ve heard more then one person talk about it. Lindsay’s behavior on IG back then was pretty erratic.
As for LKB texts, sure it could be fake but why. She has proof she knows him.
>>1169491> I am not a lawyer so who knows
some of us actually are legal professionals nonnie
. the law doesn't care about your uneducated opinion.
Multiple people also claim that he groomed Evan since she was like 14 or something which is also complete bullshit.
So do you wanna explain then how this counts as human trafficking then? No one care about your flex unless you actually provide something of value with it.
Also legal profession meaning…paralegal? Entertainment lawyer? ligation finance? There are about ten bijillion legal professions that don't have anything to do with this subject and doesn't give you special insight just because you work in some one area of law.
Evan and MM met in 2005 when she was 18. If someone claims she was groomed from age 14 they clearly don’t know what they’re taking about.
If more then one person claims to have seen the video that would be a strange conspiracy. Just saying it’s bullshit without anything to back it up doesn’t make it true.
>>1169602> just because you've gone through law school and are currently employed in the legal profession doesn't mean you understand the law
kek just stop you're embarrassing yourself
> wanna explain then
I've already explained but it's like talking to a brick wall when it comes to trolls like you
Describing yourself as a teenager when you were 18 is not sinister, it’s accurate. Manson was 38.,
She was wearing Manson’s hat, so he also ‘parades in nazi attire’ if we’re going to be fair. Dita wore the hat too. Evan was underage to drink and the pics were taken at a private party while drunk on liquor/drugs he provided. That’s not difficult to understand.
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I’m not an OP who said that but maybe because Illma Gore, who runs the Phoenix Act, follows Annie? Evan also shared an article about Lana Del Ray which originated from Annie, though I don’t believe Evan ever directly reposted her.
That article evan shared was directly linking to Annie’s posts throughout so it wasn’t needed to even mention her IMO
Can we get off the Annie subject tho? I believe her but there’s no new milk and I’m bored of it.
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umm how about no. Annie has the strongest evidence against Brian and as far as we know is also his most recent victim
meaning her report to the police is within the statute of limitations and most likely what is going to imprison him.
So no, nice try but we're not going to silence victims
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Dita & boyfriend Adam are allegedly hiding their own exploitation of young women & allegedly, Adam has talked about the abuse Dita endured while involved with Manson. All speculations as of now.