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Kiki appears to have abandoned her glittering career as an actress as there is no evidence of her obtaining any work since April.
Since then she has opened a Patron which she updated intermittently with short text posts, before giving up for 5 whole weeks. Keeks blames Hurricane Irma recovery for her inactivity despite her family’s neighborhood suffering little damage and her supposedly living in LA. Lilou only responded to her lack of Patron posts once she got called out on lolcow, once again proving that she is completely obsessed with the ‘’’’’’haters‘’’’’’.
A darling anon posted a few shots of Kiki in her natural habitat >>445257
, which triggered
Cathy to go on a massive rampage against a totally unrelated model working in Japan >>446278
And what happened to Bobby?
Previous thread: >>419492
Actors Access: https://resumes.actorsaccess.com/lilouvos
Kek, the candid pics in Walmart are such gold. Will never get over the fact that anon had milk in their shopping cart when the encounter happened.
I know speculation is pointless, but does anyone have any ideas what's going on with her? I'm guessing the "coming back to FL for hurricane Irma" is a bunch of crap and Keeks has been home for a while. I think she was probably latching onto Bobby and living at his place, then he dumped her so she had to go home and stop pretending to be living the LA dream. But again, we might never even know.
I've been tying myself in knots worrying over this category five hurricane. Some of you may know I have family in Florida. I've been keeping an eye on all the storm updates and keeping close touch with my family. They currently have lost power, so I'm even more concerned ahhh! My spleen is killing me… (In Chinese medicine the spleen governs the emotion of worry and digestion; no wonder my tummy feels awful when I'm upset or worried!)
The last hurricane I experience was Wilma in 2003. I was living in south Florida at the time and I remember the winds being so strong that the windows looked as if they were breathing! I remember huddling up with all my pets and family in the master bedroom closet. It was find of fun and cozy, yet scary.
Do you have any family or friends in Florida? Have you experienced a natural disaster before? I always worry for the animals… stray dogs, cats, birds, insects. Just a few hours ago people in Tampa saved two manatees that were stranded from the eerie loss of water in the Tampa Bay. I'm glad there are responders that are helping.
A few days ago I was sweating over the fact the Ernest Hemingway's property housed over 150 cats! The caretakers stayed there in order to help the cats as they could not evacuate all the kitties. Hats off to them! I always wondered why none of the Hemingway relatives came down and bought a couple of buses to transport all his kitties he left behind… Good news though! The eye of the hurricane passed over Key West, so instead of 9-15 feet of surge there was only 3-5 feet, woot!
Still, I'm praying like crazy here for everyone else experiencing the storm or having loved ones going through it as I type. We're still not out of the woods just yet.
On an unrelated note… or maybe related since its regarding ~*ze ocean*~
Do you have the 'WEBTOONS' app? I think its by the creators of the LINE app and it has all these cool digital comics that artists create. I've been addicted to one called Siren's Lament. I read 80+ chapters up until the most recent one. Now I have to wait every Saturday! Maaaaaaan. > < I highly suggest it.
That's all for now! I'll be shipping out rewards this week and sending tracking numbers, so look out for a message from me soon.
Lots of love, luck and lotuses,
SAME, god that was cringe-y….
Screenshot that shit don't copy pasta, this is an image board and I'm still skeptical lol
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Not that anon, but here you go. Will dump the other (three!) posts in a few. I was waiting for her to post something interesting but I guess that's not going to happen.
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Text post asking for ideas (like in all of her previous YT videos??), no truTV vlog or set photos as mentioned in her 'My Favorite Vegan Sushi Recipe' video. Still somehow took her until 11:32pm LA time to post.https://imgur.com/a/lMg2L
Uploads her YouTube video ('What I Ate Today # 3 VEGAN') late.>>"I’m posting on my Patreon every Sunday and doing little posts here and there and creating a little community and that’s where I kinda reveal more about my passion and my acting"
I couldn’t help but laugh, all she’s done is type a few sentences!
Her first Patreon vlog.http://streamable.com/wrtzv
Highlights:>>Patron asks for tips on dealing with anxiety, Kiki rambles about her auditions and then compares her life to The Sims>>All of her answers about auditioning make it clear she’s super loud and obnoxious in real life too>>Promises an apartment tour video, but is waiting for her birthday money to buy equipment (so pathetic)>>”[Acting] is my passion, I can’t just give up on it, y'know?” (After giving up on all of your past ‘careers’ and projects?)>>Advises people to not take things personally (Hmmmmmmmm)>>”You have to fucking crazy to be an actor!”
Another text post - a short playlist.https://imgur.com/a/oJZtb
Then came the Irma post on the 11th and after that the huge gap until the desperate excuses post.
>>452021>Acting is my passion
Talking about herself is clearly her only passion, jfc.
It shows how lazy she really is that she could just pump out long-winded YouTube videos with little planning and gain some kind of audience, but no I need equipment and 700 other flimsy excuses.
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can you guys stop talking about me srsly you're obsessed with me
This is how she really looks anon without the warm filters and photoshop. Like her sister she hates her natural looks.
Some of us are a little concerned about how sickly she looks because of her diet. But I like OP since it is rare to see how she really is without speculation
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It's not just a bad picture, it's that kiki posts pictures of herself that are edited to hide all of her imperfections.
So like her sister, it's probably difficult to get cast or hired for anything because their pictures claim they look more youthful than they actually do.
she's desperately clinging to her youth instead of moving forward and accepting the fact that she has been aging.
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sure but not even 'real' (lol) celebrities look the same in paparazzi candids as the image they cultivate and share online. Take Kim Kardashian for example. Why is it only not ok when Lilou does it?(learn 2 sage)
Why wouldn't I call her Lilou? It makes sense as that's the name she's going by now (and since you guys are set on exposing her, anyone who searches that will eventually wind up here so win win right?)
Also to clarify I in no way think she's anywhere in the same league as Kim Kardashian notoriety wise. You missed my point entirely…
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There's a difference between taking a photo from a flattering angle and photoshopping yourself into a different person.
The only difference is that everyone knows kardashians and jenners are fake, while the ostrengas claim to be naturally beautiful.
Except that looks like a photo of Kim Kardashian with zero makeup on. >>452127
Kaka on the left has makeup on. She has her cateye eyeliner on so I'm assuming makeup on the rest of her face too. And she still looks terrible. The dark shadows under her eyes could be because of the Walmart lighting from above, but I don't get how she manages to hide that wrinkle under her eye.
even without the caked makeup you still can recognize it's the same person
kaka shoops herself a whole new face, also what >>452193
kiki gloats about her snowflakey lotr sailor moon hair russian model bubble butt genetics when irl she's your average jane.
The picture on the left is Kim's old face, the one on the right is more recent. And yet, you can still see it's the same person - not to mention, left doesn't look even half as bad as OP picture.>>452200
I agree, but she doesn't have a moon face. Kaka has a moon face, Kiki's is a stretched oval with a fivehead.
not anyone can live their dreams. yes for kaka it is way too late. She wouldve needed any experience in her teens/pre-teens. Taking acting classes early on, playing in school plays, theatres, small plays and and and. She skipped all that, thinking she could make it big without that and only her myspace fame from back in the days. Do you have any idea what kind of risk it would be to cast someone for a role of an expensive movie that has no to very little experience? even all of the game of thrones characters had small roles before. no one was casted out of the blue. no one will ever be casted out of the blue for anything with money involved.
She doesnt even have the looks for an actress. She is okay looking if you mop her up and she is at least slim, but her hair is way too thin and she is doing nothing to change that. she doesnt plug her eyesbrows. her acting is shit, as weve seen in the few videos that were put out. Not even thinking about what would happen if she actually was on a set of a movie and someone critized her. She cant take criticism. She is not a hard-working person. the only thing I can imagine her in is playing a zombie with lots of make up in the walking dead.0,
so yes. give up on the thing that you have absolutely no talent in and find something you actually can be good at.
Lol, but Kim looks cute in the makeupless/no editing/ bad angle left picture and like a fox in the second full face makeup/ flattering angle one.
Kaka looks like shit in both…
Not to mention Kim's in her 30's and Kaka is only mid 20's looking the way she does.
OMG she's so full of shit.
Her repeating how "acting is her passion" over and over in every video she makes is exhausting and comes off as she's not being honest. Same with the constant "what should I do for videos". Bitch you been asking that since June.
> if she doesnt get the part, it's not bc of her, it's bc of the casting team vision and she doesn't fit it
That's the magic you dumbass cunt, you have to understand their vision, understand your role and ACT to fit that vision.
> sees auditions as acting classes
And maybe that's why you don't "fit" into the casting's vision - you come off as an amateur who's not taking it srsly.
She did say an acting teacher told her "auditioning is the job and the rest is the vacation" so, why's she treating it like a fucking class?
> the thing about having a passion is not getting attached to it
OK I can't even with this one.
> studied Chinese medicine, like acupuncture. "Maybe I'll do a video about it"
Like everything else? Yeah.
> "acting is my passion so I can't give it up"
But weren't you all over music from the start? How's it a passion you can't give up, but you didn't move a muscle to go after it professionally until very recently?
That's a new level of insufferable.
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I'm subscribed to a very popular person on patreon who has her content leaked all the time, but she has over 5,000 patrons. The creator can delete patrons without warning and I think even ban them from coming back, this girl went on a purge where she deleted a lot of people she somehow suspected of being leakers, though idk how she figured them out.
with Kiki only having 9 though and being paranoid as fuck, she'll probably end up deleting her whole patreon tbh.
Lowkey wonder if her entire Patreon is in fact all anons .. withod course one angry stan-fan and maybe an undercover momma dukes. . ( One thats up both Kota and Kaka's arses on IG )
So maybe total of 7 questionable followers ?
Kaka's relevance is close to none. Nobodycurr except for saucy anons.
I remember this video on their stickam (or that other scene queen social media they used). I used to think they were so cute and funny, especially Kota, and I felt kinda jealous of their lives because they made it seem so glamorous.
How the tables have turned…
Maybe I'm just an idealist but I think if she worked very very hard she could manage a modest life as an actress or do some small roles alongside a different job.
The problem is that this is Kiki. She doesn't have a 'passion' for acting.
She doesn't want to be an actress, she wants to be a famous
Kiki isn't scoring gigs because she lacks the social skills and charisma to stand out from the attractive people.
She would be better off as a photographer or makeup artist, I felt like she actually enjoyed doing that back in her stickam days.
It's clear she doesn't look after them, also kiki can't stand anyone taking the attention away from her, pets included. All the pics she posted of animals, her mug must be there too. Even in the tiger donation certificate pic she had to put her hand with ugly quartz rings over it.
I think the dog appeared in the background of one of her cd covers.
Not that anon, but you could hear them clearly say "Kyler" and point to the camera. Which he responded with a middle finger. ( 2:50 )
P.s I found another video… When did Kaka ever have dark hair ?
OMG this one's pretty old. Like when MySpace wasn't huge there was a sort of social media site for "goths" or some shit. I can't remember the name but it had vampires in it or some shit. That's when she had the dark hair
OK maybe I'm clouded by my perception of current Kiki but up to a certain point it looked like she wasn't trying to be the centre of attention. She was just being dumb with Kota…… but then she kind of starts placing herself IN THE MIDDLE of the camera, and Dakota ends up in the corner. Pretty much like they always did back on Stickam videos.
I wonder what came first,the narcissism or the hair dye.
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Same. I mean, those pictures, man (btw i typed kirsten leigh Ostrenga on Google images and this thread picture came up in the first page lol)
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OK this and the next one I'm not sure if they're already from MySpace
Didn't they photoshop the stripes or something on these?
Kaka was good at hiding her beak nose back then even it seems.
lol vampirefreaks always makes me break out in comedic tidings
teenage goth shitposting
Nevermind, it doesn't seem like it.
I could've sworn I read they were allowed to drink in the home once.
they do look pretty shooped
to do black stripes on blonde and keep them nice and solid with no featheryness or color bleeding together you have to have a little finesse and the ostrengas have none lol
Yeah the stripes are created with the burn tool. Looking at their pictures now it's so obvious everything down to their makeup is created in PS. If you look at the video >>452797
you can see she attempted to actually put the stripes in her hair after getting called out for them being shooped. >>453296>>453297>>453298>>453299
This style makes her look so unwashed and like she smells like someone's gym bag. At least the scene style and angles hid her deformed banana head.
anon from >>452312
I totally agree with you. she wouldve had a chance if she had worked hard
but the ostrengas are not known for being hard workers. so.
bitch, what are you talking about top kek
being known in the internet wasnt even tough shit back in the days of myspace
Nah. There's a cow in my country who's very similar to Kiki: mediocre looking, no actual talent, but really really wants to be famous and stand out. She works as a photographer, but her social media are only full of pictures of herself taken by other people and photoshopped to oblivion, because she can't stand the fact that she can't be a model and only chose the photographer route to try to retaliate and find a place in the fashion/model industry anyway.
Kiki would be the same. Working through angles and lighting to make other girls
look good while she's behind the camera and no one can see her? No way
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Still think this was her best phase.
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I think the dak0lei account is gone? We used to talk a lot and I've been absent over the past few weeks, but she told me she's been reported a few times and even suspended, so I'm worried it may have happened again or she got banned for good. Dak0lei if you see this, if you make a new account, please contact me again, I miss our talks
Now that I look back, I wonder how many of these good pics were actually edited to hell and back. Anyway, this look suited her, unlike the ~kawaii doll~ one
Forgive me if I'm posting this incorrectly; I don't use this site. Also, warning: long post ahead.
I am a Kiki / Lilou "fan" and I have been since the MySpace days. I found this site after searching her name on Google. I have always looked up to her a lot– back in the day, she inspired me to become a vegetarian, and I've been one for eight years now. Time really flies. I love her inspirational tweets, although I do remember her being very vulgar and aggressive back in her scene days. I remember reading the Rolling Stone article and watching her videos about how she's overcome bullying, and I think about it whenever I'm in a hard place. I don't know what my opinion is of lolcow and other similar sites, but I've been lurking Kiki's threads for awhile, and I think you guys are right about some things.
Awhile ago (before the name change), she blocked me on Instagram for no reason. I have never liked or commented on any of her photos. I made an Instagram, followed a few people (including Kiki), and forgot about it… and she blocked me. I have asked her to unblock me on Instagram, but she won't. I have been nothing but supportive to her on Twitter and YouTube, and she has talked to me on there in the past. I am not a "hater" by any means, yet she blocked me on Instagram.
Another thing is that awhile ago, I don't remember the exact details, but she started an advice section on her website where you could email her and she would give advice. I emailed her on two separate occasions with long stories asking for advice and she never got back to me. She couldn't have gotten many emails since her popularity was dying down at that point, so it made me feel like she was lazy and didn't really care about her supporters. I still love her YouTube videos and I would consider giving to her Patreon, but I feel weird about doing that since she refuses to unblock me on Instagram.
Oh yeah, and another thing is that I tuned into Tru TV at the time that she gave us in the video and it was the wrong time.
Like I said, I don't know how I feel about these "hate sites" - you guys pick apart a lot of things about her (like her appearance) and I feel like it's very unfair. But I think you guys have a point. Oh, and I read about the Sperg chan thing and I believe it. That blew my mind. I should probably find a better Internet "celebrity" to become a fan of, but I'm very attached to Kiki since she's the reason why I became a vegetarian and got into animal rights activism. So yeah, sorry if this didn't contribute anything to the thread lol but I thought I'd break my silence after lurking for so long.
There are thousands of better Internet personalities pushing veganism/vegetarianism/animal rights lmao
You seriously think one that posts graphic animal gore is good? Pfffthaha
I would patreon this.>>453618>>453729
What is all this lol
Sorry you had to find out the hard way anon. She'll block anyone she even remotely suspects of being a hater. Even her actual "fans".
I'd say stay a while and watch the thread. She doesn't care about anyone but herself. She's proven it time and time again– that's why we still talk about her after all these years.
so… you're salty that she blocked you and didn't answer your e-mails? you've been following her since the MYSPACE days and that's all you got?>>453618
fuck off puta
Ask for a refund.
Come to think of it, since she didn't do anything she should have automatically given all 9 patrons a refund instead of telling them to ask her personally if they want one. unprofessional and scummy.
They helped pay for her new equipment!
How can she ever make new videos if you take that away?
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I hope she fully refunded everyone.
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This anon probably still has it.
I'm guessing she did not like the idea that there was a "rat" among her Patreons.
Silly. You can't be famous and not expect some of this kind of stuff.
w-wow.. i guess seeing 3 of her 9 people here must have done it. Or the content leaks. if it's the latter, well i saw that coming from day 1. it was bound to happen. especially since you don't even have to wait for patreon to charge you in order to see "patron only" text posts and videos, so literally anybody could have gotten them and then unsubscribed without ever paying a dime. >>453996
chill down a bit anon, geez
No, she would never do something where you have to interact with your audience right away. Especially because there would be a lot of trolls.
I think she will continue to try acting for a while, I guess she thinks that once she had a "breakthrough" she will have more fans than haters again.
Welp time for another drought from our princess. The Lilou Vos saga was a good one ladies, not sure if anything will top it.
Speculation: I think her and Bobby are still together, but I also think she will be in Florida for awhile and probably has no immediate plans to go back to LA. Its really strange for an actress to sort of halt doing auditions/ work. The last thing we heard was her post with the MS Word script she was trying to show off. Has she even been doing promo for Puppet Master?
Lilou!!! Follow your dreams and your passion! Be an actress like you were meant to be!!
But seriously, I think the candids really freaked her out and add that to the fact most of her patreons were farmers probably sent her over the edge. I loved the candids, and ty based anon for supplying them, but in her mind it just supports the crazy stalker reality her and Kathy have created. The thing is, if she actually dedicated her time to videos/ content/ SM updates and just ignored all this shit, she probably could build up a fanbase. It wouldn't happen overnight and she'd have to, like, work for it. But it could happen. But she's so fixated on what we say and do, it blows my mind.
P.S. alt Kiki was best Kiki and honestly think when she started on this weird ~all natural~ boring af look is when people started to get bored.
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i'm waiting for another spergout
s p e r g k i k i
so that's pretty much another scam?
feel bad for the patrons if they got charged and not refunded
>>454037>Has she even been doing promo for Puppet Master?
No. Afaik the whole movie is up on Amazon now so a week trial to Full Moon would let anyone watch it. Even main horror sites like Dread Central haven't talked about it since September before it released. No promo, no buzz, it's festering out like the pile of shit it is.>>454061
A lot of these things like her sperging out on stream could be avoided if she would pick a few people to be mods to purge that shit from chat. The problem is she'd have to have friends or someone she can trust to do that for her and she has no one? Other than her cringy ass mom and Cathy would be even worse picking fights with her chat. Big streamers have a strong community they can pool their mods from. Kaka won't ever have that. She'd be as weak as Onion and give up when people weren't basking in her glory in 20 minutes. You can't just turn on a webcam and start streaming, you have to give people a reason to come back to you and part of it involves networking with other streamers to build each other up together. She will absolutely never do any of this because it would take away from her.
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Hahaha I'd love to watch Kiki jump on the twitch bandwagon, streaming herself playing Animal Crossing or some shit like that, being her cringe self
> obnoxious laugh GUUUYYZZZ LOOK AT THIS OH MAN GAWD THIS GAME IS SO CUUUUTE starts talking gibberish in a baby voice
She could go full on anisa and wear her old bandage clothing with ~quirky accessories.
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It's tickling me that as one of the people who leaked the posts to this thread I may be the only patron to get any money back.
Also, Kiki ignored my (polite, pretend concern about her lack of activity) messages for several weeks before finally responding offering a refund. When I got busy and didn't bother to log in and check her barren Patron for all of 2 days her next message included a dig about how I wasn't replying to her. Honestly the biggest hypocrite on the planet.
Hahahahaha anon, you're the real MVP
It basically goes off to show she's exactly the type of person she comes off as - can't acknowledge others' concerns but when it comes to her, all must be done as soon as she pleases
> how dare this individual hold me accountable of things I promised to do in return of their money?
Glad you got your money back ;)
She deleted the video where bobby sang happy birthday to her.
I mean at this point she can't win even if she's using a different strategy to make it seem less obvious.
She either purges and makes it obvious, or tiptoes by slowly deleting content—it's gonna come out one way or another.
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She deleted this photo of a juice and some berries…?
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I would say their breakup is almost confirmed, give it more time. Could explain the return home more than anything.>>454476
It's great because vegans kill ruin it for other.
Same, anon. I'm Keeks' age and used to be jealous of her popularity and the fact that her parents would actually let her dress like that. She was one of the first true internet celebrities. Now I understand how fucked up it all was and just hope that she can have some semblance of a normal life, given how incredibly damaged she is because of her upbringing (and female autism + empty pursuit of fame).>>453729
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I just went through the people she is following on Instagram and there is one account for an Instagram pig called Lilou. Which means she either named herself after a pig on instagram, or she looked up Lilou on instagram and added the account after.
Yes, she posted a pic of their menu at some point and then deleted it.
She didn't copy their exact words, but it's in a very similar format.
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>>454532>Vos from some French great-grandmother of hers??
The same grandmother with the name Mimieux, i assume.
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vos is a french word meaning the plural of "you" or "yours", in which the 's' is silent so it's pronounced 'vo', not sure if that is what she implies too. knowing how retarded and illiterate she is, probably no.
Vos is a dutch surname but the benelux together formed the french empire until 200 years ago. so it's no wonder that french linguistic influenced those countries and still is a official language in belgium and luxemburg (and of course france).
the girl in fifth element was 'leelou'.
lilou vos in any way still sounds like a cheap hooker name.
Wasn't the girl in The Fifth Element "Leeloo"?
Totally agree with Lilou Vos sounding like a cheap hooker name though.
It's cheap and trashy trying to masquerade as exotic and sophisticated, just like her dress sense and the piss-poor facade she tries to project.
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Everything she uses is stolen from elsewhere. Even the goddamn patreon tiers.
Whenever she tries to be pretentious it fails horribly.
Lilou or Lou are names that are getting popular again in France although to me, Lilou sounds more like a pet name (maybe I'm getting old). Vos is indeed the plural of your as in "Your books look heavy" the first word would be Vos.
I have never heard of a french person named "Vos". If it's meant to sound like the word then people would assume it's something like "Veau" which means veal, as it's more common to have a last name from a real noun or occupation.
Basically it's a terrible name but I'm guessing not many people in America would know much about french names so she can try and fool people there.
They had her photos up but it's all broken now, she's also no longer on the 'Women' page.
Same status as Kota I guess.
HAHAHA IT WAS ALMOST AS SHORT LIVED AS THE LIL KITTEN ENDEAVOUR (tho it'll always be #1 failed Kiki'so career)>>454750
Yes it's so cringey. It's like a Tumblr name for an aesthetic teen, I can't picture any casting agent taking her srsly>>454671> It's cheap and trashy trying to masquerade as exotic and sophisticated
Kaka is a nutshell
I wonder if we're on the verge of Sperge 2.0 …
Just in time for Christmas…
They were just her shooped 'natural' pics. It had a broken link to Lilou's website the whole time and she never updated it, not even with the headshots she got in LA. You really didn't miss anything.
The images have been broken for everyone since at least mid September and she's no longer linked on the main page, presumably she quit the agency.>>435681
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btw for how long have these been down?
Actors Access has been private for a long time, it was hidden right after the link was posted here several months ago. You can however easily sign up to AA for free and view her page. Nothing is listed after You Can Do Better.
lilouvos.com has never been online. New career? Why bother making a website? Not even a quick template-based site that could be thrown together in an afternoon! Good old Ostrenga laziness. But da haterz are their downfall.
OK. Baguette-Fag here
Vos= Yours (plural form of "your", the singular are "ton" "ta" "mon" ma")>>454939
Aucun Français digne de ce nom n'utiliserait ce genre d'expression. You're not a francophone, so please, stop your pathetic samefagging.
you're embarrassing yourself, personne ne parle comme ça on voit clairement que t'es pas francophone donc stop. Is this you Kaka? Your ~i can speak nihongo~ phase is over and you're now fluent in French? >>454945
yes, the where are you from/are you Russian/eastern european
In any Asian country that means “are you a prostitute”
on point lmao
she probably took it from that stupid tap water in expensive bottles and just stroke one 's' to make it less obvious
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right lol i forgot about that imdb demo reel. still cant believe this is an honest and serious thing.
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but it's her PASSION
welp, my IQ just dropped. Thanks anon.
honestly though, I think she could possibly return to youtube and maybe do makeup tutorials. Her makeup is pretty much the only thing decent about her. On the plus side too, she wouldn't have to put in that much work with editing or having to actually plan something with her days. Should leave crap vloggs to Taylor.
>>455151>LoL So rAnDUm!!!1! xDDDD
I'm still amused that kaka was so dumb and lazy
enough to put thogether this shit as a demo reel. Acting =/= being an idiot on camera
There's no doubt that Kiki won't ever be a famous actress or even a model at that point.
Every year I wonder when is she going to give up or if her family is going to try to knock some sense into her. I know nowadays kids stay at their parents well until their 20s to figure out what they want to do with their lives but I'm guessing the Ostrenga fam is going to reach their breaking point soon and ask her to find a proper job or career.
Or maybe they're content to have a haggard daughter living with them forever, working part time in a small candle shop or some other shit and tell everyone how Kiki was famous about a decade ago.
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doesn't even look like her on her IMDb page profile pichttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm8444336/
and it's filled with her ~kirakira ethereal~ photos wtf
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Yeah, the only exception is Jeffree Star (net worth $5 mil.)
But she could have totally become like Audrey Kitching. She's not super famous, but now is a "designer, model, stylish, fashion editor & blogger, all while continuing an active & interesting social media presence, with above 300,000 Instagram fan followers" and has a good lifestyle I think (according to Google at least).
Kiki would have been happier with that than being where she is now: nowhere and having to rely on her parents for money.
I actually think that she could have. Out of all the scene kids, I don't know of a single one that is worse off right now than they were back then, except her. most of them are popular in a new niche with nearly 1 million instagram followers, at least most of the ones i know of, and not a single one still has haters milking them (except maybe jeffree somewhere in gurugossiper, but that's not surprising).
it's all her parents fault the way things turned out. they knowingly supported their teenage daughter being a controversial figure
, taking underwear pics of her, being literally right next to her while she was an internet badass asshole on stickam, and picking fights with everyone that criticized these things. If you take all of that out of the equation, she would probably have a nice following of people who like her rather than a following of people who hate her.
Audrey is a good comparison as they were both equally vapid and untalented MySpace icons.
It's just that somehow Audrey was able to make friends faster than she burned through them where Kiki was never really able to thanks to her personality.
I do think Audrey is still partly funded by family though. The overpriced Crystal Cactus bullshit can't be selling that well, plus she has a recurring story of a grandparent trudging into New Jersey Hot Topics berating the staff for not stocking her merchandise.
This is why I don’t think Kiki will ever grow as long as her parents keeps spoon feeding her money and encouraging her fantasies. I guarantee if Kiki just found one non-internet related thing she could do as a hobby, that doesn’t
involve total isolation and staring at herself, she could probably find a way to make money with it. As she is, there’s no reason to look at her for more than a few seconds. She has no depth, yet she tries so hard to seem deep and cultured.
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Farmers always like discussing kiki and koots' careers as if they're completely written off, and all chances to redeem them are in the past…always desperate to close the bitter book but the poor boys are hardly old yet…
The reality is is that everything that has happened so far can easily be churned into victim narratives with the right PR.
What I don't get is their lack of ability to self-deprecate, be self-aware, admit responsibility for anything, or just be authentic!? Thats some weird ostrenga pride/dignity thing. They have a fear of failure and it's completely stunting them.
that pic still puzzles me
is kota supposed to be the example of how ugly is smoking or?
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>>455358>NO EVERYBODY MUST AGREE THAT KIKI AND KOOTERS ARE OBJECTIVELY UGLY AND FINISHED SO I CAN FINALLY BE AT PEACE
It goes back to the friends thing. Audrey never really had anything to sell but an expired image and she manages thanks to connections made along the way. As whiny and dull as she can be, she pulled this off somehow.
Keeks was never good with the social aspect. Not friends, fans. If not fans, haters.
Cathy told her she was a star and she's going to do the least she can until the world catches on.
Why couldn't she just stick with this damn it, it's only cringey if you know what a dick she actually is, to everyone else it's pretty funny and she also did actual looks with helpful instruction
People would've eaten it up if she just goddamn sTUCK TO IT REEEE
Every time I see her stuff from a few years ago (pre-sperg) I get sad for her again
kaka's case has a new update but idk what it means
"9/26/2017 Notice Lack of Prosecution/Motion to Dism/Notice Hearing
Comments: 12/15/17 AT 9 AM"https://myeclerk.myorangeclerk.com/Cases/search
It is pretty frustrating to see because she actually does things decently correctly, just not long enough for her to gain enough followers. There are definitely people out there who have more followers for lesser content. She never can keep it going, no matter what, just because people won't come out of nowhere and fawn all over her.
Also guys, don't forget Hanna Beth and Jac Vanek. Though I think Hanna was already in a wealthy family, I don't know about Jac but she's still selling merch. I'm pretty sure Kaka is one of the only failures. She really missed out on a ton of opportunities. It's so late now that people have forgotten about her, she needs to build up her followers all over again from scratch. Which she can't do either because she's so paranoid and blocks everybody.
Also, according to past proceedings, she is representing herself entirely and her lawyers withdrew their counsel back in August 2015.
So it's been kind of sitting there clogging up the system for a while now.
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I don't post here often, so sorry for the wall of text.
>Luckily for Dakota, once she got picked up by Bravo her parents couldn’t really mess with her other than copyright claiming her work.
Hi Anon, just a quick clarification: Copyright belongs to the creator, in this case, that would be the photographer. The agency purchases the license to publish Dakota's pictures from the photographer. Aside from that, licencing is a mix of Dakota's agency, photographer, the medium that publishes the work, and additional licences can be given out or purchased e.g. for PR reasons ("massive fashion blog wants to use our photos, good for us". In a contract prior to a shoot, each party will state what the shoot is for, where it'll be published, what style and editing is desired, compensation, and who gets to use which photos for which purpose. So licencing is mix and match, but copyright is restricted to one entity and can't be transferred.
See who's not listed in there? The parents. As soon as your child is 18, forget about "copyrighting" their pictures, unless you took them yourself
. In other words, Cathy has zero power here. The one taking videos down is Kiki.
On the topic of Copyright…
Here's the DMCA I got for the Pupper Master video I uploaded. It's a fraudulent DCMA because a) She didn't sign her name and b) She claimed to be the copyright holder, which she isn't. She's just an actress in it. Technically, she could try to fight the public exposure/upload of her scenes, but promotional material is also included in the contract she had signed off on. No struggling agency wants an actress that actively takes down promo material. If anyone were able to DMCA this clip, it's be the production company.
Fun fact: Fraudulent DMCAs are perjury.
i believe that was taken down by fullmoon, not kiki.
September 18, 2017 Full Moon Pictures >> Vimeo, Inc.
"Kirsten Leigh Ostrenga / Kiki Kannibal / Lilou Vos as Oberheller Friede Steitze in Puppet Master: Axis Termination (2017)"
DMCA NOTICES, COPYRIGHThttps://lumendatabase.org/notices/15032743
I don't think the Ostrengas could afford veneers. A girl I know got veneers on her upper front four teeth and paid 8000 bucks for just that, and she's wealthy.
It's a lot of money, and we're talking about someone who makes her entire wardrobe off of Taobao. She probably just had some luck with teeth genes.
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thats an interesting site you got there
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top fucking kek
did we know that already?
can we still laugh about it once again?
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I don't remember ever seeing kiki wear braces, although she also doesn't smile in a lot of her pics.
Her dental work reminds me of miley cyrus or hilary duff, although countless other celebrities have fixed their smiles with veneers.
There are invisible braces (Invisalign and that other type where the wire goes behind the teeth, both would take around a year at max to do the job), more expensive than usual braces but still way cheaper than veneers.
Yes, celebrities get veneers. Rich celebrities. Kaka isn't rich nor a celebrity.
I don't know, it just seems unlikely to me. Dakota can't afford surgery to fix her face and Kiki can get around 10,000 dollars of dental work?
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>>455765>I don't remember ever seeing kiki wear braces
here. now stop.
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Interesting that with her delete spree she left up the “what I eat in a day” video with her using honey in one of her videos, considering she took down the juice containing honey because people kept calling her out on it in the comments
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The braces may have been to help with the crowding of her teeth, still can't help but to think she had some of her teeth replaced.
Agreed. Just look at how much gaping and uneven sizing or spacing, and that's just prior to rotation.
Anyone who thinks braces to on left pic will result in the right pic will be sorely disappointed in reality. She probably just did a handful of teeth on her top row, which doesn't cost much.
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>>456268>>456319>Anyone who thinks braces to on left pic will result in the right pic will be sorely disappointed in reality.
i can't.. lol it's so obvious that both of you have never had braces before, yet you're trying to make yourself sound like you know what you're talking about. take it from us anons here who do, they can do a hell of a lot more than kak's before pic.
Non braces fag here (that should’ve had braces but my parents just never had the money) but if she had wisdom teeth growing sideways and removed them that would’ve made it even easier for her teeth to straighten out as well, right?
Mine are really crooked on the bottom row which was where I had 2 wisdom teeth growing in sideways which I always assumed added to them being pushed inwards and more croweded
Sage bc no one gives a fuck about my teeth and completely irrelevant dental theories but I don’t find it hard to believe braces were all it needed to straighten hers out like that.
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Kiki's been RTing a fair bit about Harvey Weinstein/similar accusations recently.
And yet she was perfectly happy to appear in something like Puppet Master? If you take a look on the Full Moon Horror FB page it's only two posts below their most recent Puppet Master promo that you get shit like this. In fact most of their posts are sexploitation.
It only counts when it affects you, right Lilou? Her odd response to the Mayim Bialik post shows how messed up her perception is.
What the lazy outro song that plays in this video? (the one where she toured the LACMA/mid-wilshire area.https://youtu.be/GaT7OWyboYY
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Looks like Kiki's finally got some money again - a $700 lens.
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Look! Another white frilly top!
Seriously, who chooses that as their aesthetic?
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And lastly, this must be what she used the Patreon money on - an auction that finished shortly after the first payment. I bet she wishes she could have people paying for nothing every month, no wonder she got mad when people questioned her lack of content.
She's wasting $50 on a tacky bracelet but still needs her fans to pay her to make videos!
I know it's her money (even though she did nothing to earn it by not even fucking delivering the patreon content she promised) and she can technically
spend it on whatever she wants, but who the fuck would spend $50 on that ugly shit
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Concidering she wears these butt ugly earrings, I'm not too surprised
has literally anyone, anywhere, ever complimented this god awful style bc if it was a branding that sold i'd respect the hustle but holy fuck how does anyone look into the mirror and just do this to themselves and everyone with working vision around them
like if she owned her bleached out bag lady but also child prostitude style it would be cool in a 'she absolutely gives no fucks' way but she doesn't have the balls for that this is all she can do. at this point her gaudy kiki kannibal rhinestone style is so out that it's ironically in and if she owned a early 2000s kim kardashian wannabe look she would legit get a following - but again, she. has. no. fucking. balls.
for someone terminally dehydrated to be compared to david bowie she doesn't even try to be edgy or fashionable. like if you're going to be legit crazy/sperg-chan you might as well have fun but no. we get antique store hooker.
fuck this bitch and her crusty no milk teet.
It seems like she got stuck on that empathic elf queen Galadriel idea from before her Japan visit and this is the watered-down remains.
Cheap and ugly white/off-white shit she can but probably shouldn't wear to Walmart.
Natural fibers like cotton, wool, etc. and not just Taobao/F21 poly blend shite. They’re not that expensive if you don’t go for overpriced brands like Kiki clearly would. It’s strange how she’s willing to blow $800 on a camera lens, yet still looks so cheap
. Just goes to show you can’t buy actual style, I guess.
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>Oh anon, I want you to blast my face and make my asshole look like a windsock with your huge Australian penis!(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I would love that, but Keeks clearly thinks she's way above those kinds of shows.
I don't know why when her initial fame was for being a trashy bitch and she's failed in every single endeavour since then, but Ostrengas gonna Ostrenga.
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they WERE going to be on Dr Phil once years ago. Cathy's e-mails to the producers are in their archives. Apparently they chickened out because Dr. Phil wanted to bring in Chris Stone and
Danny's family to tell their side of the story. that would have been a disaster, dr. phil would have grilled them over their irresponsible parenting, and kiki's disturbing inappropriate photos as a minor (that THEY photographed). So instead they opted for the 1-side biased Rolling Stone article. Rolling Stone was all too happy for the sensationalism.
back in the day chris stone was a wannabe perez hilton and child predator. he created "stickam house" where underage scene kids lived to become a reality thing but he was just a predator. he leaked her underage nudes and wanted to destroy kiki by using danny and his "side" of the story. kiki's family prostituted her to danny when she was underage, i know she is a cunt but she was 14 and you cannot consent especially to a grown man. people literally try to pin his death on cathy just because cathy made some edge lord comment about his death being revenge. it wasn't, she's a delusional bitch. the police set up a sting where they got a "12 year old" to meet with danny at the mall with a bunch of coke for them to do. the cops showed up, dumbfuck thought he could do some jackie chan shit and jump on a truck to make a get away and died instead of getting caught and put in jail. dannys family claim he was a "sweet boy" and whatever other bullshit, but if he was so great he would have stayed away. chris stone just manipulates that situation because he was a visible adult with clout that, like perez hilton/tmz, had social power over actual children in the scene.
it's all actually really fucked up and would make an amazing documentary, including how he destroyed and used amor hilton and fellow predator/rapist john hock. chris stone is gay and used fame hungry underage myspace kids to get off, his site was shut down as child porn.
>he leaked her underaged nudes
Where tf did he get them??
>wanted to destroy kiki by using danny
I don’t see how that would have worked. The Danny thing was Cathy’s fault. She let him move in, she let him sleep in Kiki’s room, and she collected their used condoms so she knew they were having sex way before anyone claimed it was rape by technicality because he pissed off Momma O by breaking up with Kiki. I dislike her but I remember being 14- I wasn’t a racist fuckwad, but I also wasn’t anywhere near mature enough to have a 19 year old live-in BF. Cathy’s job as a mother was to put her foot down and say “no, horny teenaged boy, you cannot sleep with my underaged daughter because that’s illegal”. Not wait until he does it it and cry rape after the act like some bitter twat. I would love to see Dr. Phil rip apart her and Scott’s shitty famewhore parenting.
r/drama had a good rundown of the whole Stickyhouse thing.https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/554q3o/the_irl_world_a_tale_of_one_mans_attempt_to/
There are additional details like him having the connections and an opportunity to film a pilot episode on Fox, but IIRC he was never able to scrape together enough footage.
He really wanted Kiki to be involved in the whole thing. I mainly recall Cathy of all people being the most vocal FUCK NO DEFINITELY NOT to that offer which only made him more antagonistic towards the Ostrengas.
>>458427>And there, dear readers, is the internet equivalent of Jake Wolf on all fours, tears streaming down his face, with two gigantic strap-ons buried up to the plastic hilt in his bloody and quivering asshole—one worn by Kiki, one by Amor, while StickyDrama holds the camera and tells the girls to fuck him harder so that he’ll moan like the desperate e-whore he is.>Silly Jake! Thinking you could hop from Kiki to Amor. They have annihilated every boy before you—recall Hock and Cespedes—and they will annihilate every boy after you. Either one of them could destroy you with a tweet. With a click. With a thought. You are nothing and they are everything. Your body might remain alive IRL; but online you are henceforth dead, a shadow, a ghost, doomed to fuck only the loose scabby vaginas of ugly sluts like Jenny Thompson, never again the tight moist vaginas of attractive e-celebs like Kiki and Amor. This is the curse we inflict upon you.
Wow, that edge. Now I see where Kiki got it from at least.
I felt bad for Kirsten when her mom starts sperging in the beginning and she goes "stop yelling…" and since Cathy won't stop she just plays a bunch of white noise, saying "stop, stop stop"
A part of me wonders if she still feels embarrassed by her mom
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man, I forget how fucking crazy Cathy is. I actually feel a little sympathy for Kiki here.
Yeah the speech pattern is similar. With the time, the crazy just sunk in and turned Kiki into what she is today>>459831
stated, she hasn't had any jobs, is back in FL, etc but if you ask her she'll probably go on a rant "it's my ultimate passion!"
cathy babbling all that garbage and not once does she considering kiki's behavior as potentially problematic
NOT MY DAUGHTER! MY PRECIOUS KIKI!
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I am unsure why she insists on dressing like an dishrag when she could be fashionable like she used to be.
She always thought she was fashion forward. Case and point: the time she argued with someone over who started the coon tail stripes on your head trend. >>460312
Looking at this pic makes me wonder why she doesn't just get layers in her hair. The flat and thin hair she has makes her look like she just got discharged from the looney bin.
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Yawn. How's things in Florida, Keeks?
Oh yeah keeks. You justice warrior you. Haven't heard u speak up against this >>456608
So vegan and compassionate towards animals, letting the cat climb in the toilet and laughing about it. She's been vegan since she was 8 guys!
The video feels like the beginning of a bad ARG.
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Wouldn't it be quite the kekmas if we could actually hire Kiki to read her sperg-chan posts? Only in dreams anons.
You were all wrong. Her next career is not photography, it's a freelance voice actor!
She can read a whole audiobook with the poorly stereotyped accent of a Chinese child, or a senior Australian.
To be fair that page has been up for a little while, it was part of her acting career.
How was she expecting to record decent quality audio when she insists she hasn't got good equipment though?
Any animator anons want to make a animation for Kaka to voice act to ?
One where she plays herself, an unfortunate woman trying to make it big in the world and envious/jealous of a successful blonde girl named Taylor.
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Still nothing new from Keeks besides a few animal welfare/abuse tweets. The acting career really is over.
I wonder if she does anything to help animals besides hitting the retweet button? … we all know the answer.
She “adopted” a tiger or panda or something once.
I think she sometimes puts a little pocket change into charities.
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Yeah, she adopt a tiger once. She also volunteered at a wolf sanctuary. Once.
And she had to let everyone know about all that generosity! I have no faith that she continued in either of those commitments.
>I donate every month!>here's my generic certificate for signing up>never mentions it again
She deleted the video of him singing happy birthday to her, and she moved back home.
Not sure if they were living together, but it definitely seems like they've broken up for now.
The silence is obvious though. >had to deactivate patreon>probably expected a hundred patrons, got 9.>forced to give everyone a refund>2 of 9 patrons ended up being farmers>all of the content got leaked>her mom went psycho on a complete random on twitter
that's plenty reason to lay low for a while.
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Woop, found em in the archive.
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Saint Francis is not an archangel. He's the patron SAINT of animals.
And calling on both a catholic saint and a east Asia Buddhist goddess…Kiki, your spiritual game is a mess
This reads like "My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families, but now about me and my feelings."
Such compassion, but will it ever be activism?
lmao I can't with her ignorance. this is just like her patreon video where she contradicts herself in the same sentence>I believe that energy is not created nor destroyed, so I believe there is a greater source or something out there that created all of this, this matrix."
she doesn't know that's the first law of thermodynamics, not a new-age spiritual belief.
Curious… What is
her religion specifically? Has she ever said? Omnism?
Whole-food plant-based is the new vegan.
Just waiting for kiki to jump on the next bandwagon now.
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Lack of recent Kiki milk made me kinda restless, so I tried to edit a screenshot of her from last thread to give her that babyface she keeps insisting that she has out of boredom.
It's hard to understand why she leaves her hair so limp. Doesn't she get bored of it?…Ever? It has no oomph whatsoever.
Any cut, color, or style would affect her sensitive indigo child energy.her hair is long because Native American tracker's said it gave them a 'sixth sense' or some story off the internet. The chemicals in hair dye and styling products, not to mention the heat from styling tools are way to damaging for her perfectly natural blessed hair.
She could wear a wig…
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Sorry if this was already talked about but did Lilou draw this? It was on a Russian VK profile.
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look kitty, the haterz are making fun of my precious art that looks like me!
Doubt it, she didn't turn up for the 11/13/2014 or 8/13/2015 hearings. I don't know enough about the process to say whether she's actually required to show up for any of these court dates but I can't see any evidence of her actual involvement beyond the initial complaint.
Hopefully a legal anon can provide better info, though this whole thing is such a total lolsuit mess that it was likely laughed out of court without much thought.
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Kiki must be pleased she has such a large feature on the Puppetmaster box art but damn that's an unfortunate photo. The angle even makes it look like she has little T-Rex arms.
Considering she never mentioned Puppet Master beyond the initial filming I suspect she’s rightfully embarrassed about that absolute shit. She certainly didn’t say anything when it was released.
I’m her parents will buy 10 copies each though.
Don't you think that finding Kiki's address, following her into a supermarket and photographing her breaches the the borders of sanity just a little bit?
I don't even see how a mildly unflattering pic of her is even milk.
Like, she is a human being. This is fucking scary. Don't bother cows in real life jesus christ. How is everyone so okay with this.
You're a fucking creep anon
Show me the evidence that anon was following Kiki?
Before the photos were posted we had no idea Kiki was in Florida, we still thought she was in LA, and we didn’t exactly expect that she shopped in Walmart - I would have assumed she bought from totemo organic stores only rather than supporting big evil corporations.
So anon hung around in a random Walmart in the Ostrengas’ area hoping she’d appear out of nowhere?
Even if we did know that Kiki was hitting up that particular store on the regular NOBODY cares about Kiki that much.
If anon had posted that they saw her without photographic evidence nobody would have believed them.
Get out, nobody is stalking you.
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Great job replying to the bait you fucking retards. It’s like you all want to help derail the thread.
If anything, I believe anon wouldn't recognize her if it weren't for the all-white lame outfit.
People like Kiki want a clean slate with no apology for shitty behavior. They consistently contradict what they put out into the world, and expect people to worship them for doing little or nothing.
Don't get me wrong; I think that Kiki is a damaged human being that could benefit a lot from serious therapy. It's a damn shame that she didn't get help early on and just unplug herself while she got sorted out. Instead, it was encouraged. She was encouraged to become a celebrity by her family. But fame does not come without criticism.
Literally no one in the real world cares about internet drama. No one forces you to obsessively refresh your threads, and collect "evidence of harassment" - which is simply a collection of your public posts, and not illegal. If you moved on with your life like a regular person, went to college, started a normal career, these threads would die. Instead you continue to seek online praise and fame, and don't produce any quality content EXCEPT for drama and meltdowns. You don't do anything, except complain.
Grow up. Move on. Forget about the internet, and it will forget you.
I agree. I never understood people who get upset over sites like these. Like I get it's embarrassing when people dig up old shit but it's usually just contained on here/sites like this. I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually get harassed from being posted on here before. If anything, I think sites like this can prevent harassment.>>466875>Literally no one in the real world cares about internet drama.
This. It's weird to me that she still hasn't realized this since Kota is living proof of this. She had the same shit on her and had tons of people actively trying to ruin her career/reputation but nothing ever came of it because she doesn't ever acknowledge it.
Well, I wouldn't say it took absolutely no affect on Kota. I'm sure it pissed her employers off to have to disable comments in all videos she's in, but nobody else's. The constant sweeping they have to do behind Kota because of internet peeps pointing out her lies. Like when she was posted to Bravo's FB and people pointed out the pictures were shooped.
Kiki also had a small taste of that when on anon went alittle loopy and started pestering and tipping off Taco. I sure anons can agree that was a tad of a piss off.
However, I never heard of any farmers actually taking time out of their days to physically stalk someone on here. If that anon was stalking Kiki, why was there only check out pictures and not her scraggly ass struggling to lift a pumpkin, or a video or even her walking else where.
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this is literally copy-pasted from one of Spergchan's old posts. Word for word.
it's a troll, probably trying to resurrect this dead thread.
Fuck off Kiki, you were so fucking dedicated to using this site to shittalk and to threatening Taylor that you deserve absolutely no sympathy.
I hope that all the shit you've done will continue to follow you online and in real life for the rest of your life.
This. Kiki, honestly, your best bet is just deleting all social media and going off the grid.
Lolcow would stop talking about you if you just went inactive. Look at Felice Fawn for example. She's nowhere to be found, and thus, she has been forgotten.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
can you chill your autism and fucking read: >>466910
and stop feeding some idiot trolls who arent even kiki?
And this right here is why the “do it faggot” thing died off. Too many people missing the joke and doing the thing
Yet more evidence Kiki's no longer in LA (as if we needed it) - she didn't turn up for the Puppet Master premiere (https://www.instagram.com/p/BaSitePBDMW/?taken-by=puppetmasterfans
) or the signing at the same store as >>323547
The total silence besides a few RTs is the most damning though. Girl is embarrassed and learnt not to fake it after the Japan mess.
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Several from this set were already posted months ago, but never the most important one… pic related. I'm still amazed she kept it so hidden for so long.
I meant more why didn't any anons post that photo over the others (eg: the couple in this thread and >>420247
) when they're all in the same FB album.
Kiki would obviously never show the nose pic let alone the other less unflattering photos taken by others, we all know that.>>467944
She turned up to the magazine signing before, I'm sure she'd show up in shitty outfits for the more recent one and the premiere.
Has anyone seen this yet?
What about the crazy web series where she breaks the bottle on that girl's head?
I want to see these.
It's ironic, because that there used to be this girl on stickam called Chelsea who went to LA to model or something, and Kirsten made fun of her for how different she ""really"" looked. Uglier and fatter.
It's just like Cathy says, karma
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Yeah she was the one going in on Taylor R and that other Japan based model about their noses. It's sort of funny to compare their behind-the-scenes pictures to Keeks's. pic related
Because Kiki is lazy.
She don't want to work her way up the ladder, she wants to be a hollywood star now. It's the same with the dj'ing and the modelling. The minute she finds out that shit is hard and that she have to work to get results, she gives up.
Oh god here we go. I said HER nose is haggard, no need to start the #butallnosesmatter thing.
Jennifer Aniston and Giselle both have noses far smaller than Kiki's. Kiki has an actual toucan beak, and with the forehead, sickly looks, and flat hair it makes her look like she belongs somewhere in small town Russia kneading dough with a shawl on.
She spent so much time stalking and obsessing over Taylor R, so much time insulting her nose and even trying to get her to cut her hair via anonymous advice, when she looks like this. I have no deep seated vitriol for Kiki but I'm going to call her as she is: unattractive. She isn't even unconventionally attractive. Let's stop pussyfooting around the elephant in the room.
She can't keep up acting for the same reason she didn't get into it before. It's all BS. It was yet another short-lived bandwagon, not an "utter passion" like she claims so hard.>>468136> I think her nose is kind of sexy
That's one hell of a weird sentence
Eh, it's beaked but it's small. A surgeon could give her a perfect upturned button nose with the minimal effort.
If only she hadn't paid for that role and invested that money in a nose job instead…
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Huh. Keeks bullied you back in the day. I can sense it.
Subjective opinions. There are people who come in here and say “Kiki isn’t pretty/average/plain, she’s ugly/old/haggard!” And act like everyone who disagrees with them is acting willfully ignorant and refusing to see her ~true form~.
The truth is, some people think she’s pretty, some people don’t. Her nose is big, that’s a fact, but it being ugly or beakish are opinions
, which people need to learn to sage and stop arguing about. Entire threads run wild with nitpicking and arguing semantics while no actual content gets posted or discussed, all because some anons can’t accept that other anons disagree with their opinions.
While I see your point, I take Kiki's hyper criticisms of other women and delusions of grandeur into consideration. She truly believes she's a waifish elven goddess and her narcissism does not match up with her real looks.
When you strip away the filters, the angles, the editing, the makeup, and the meticulous posing, she is without a doubt far from conventional at the very least. In the nature of the entertainment industry she is hardly pedestrian even.
Do I hate her? No. Does her looks offend me? No. Do I think she needs a reality check because she exists in a glass castle of egomania? Yes.
I don't think so. Given all the things Kiki has done and hidden, I'm pretty sure she's on tier. Most insta hoes just photoshop and pretend to have a perfect life when they're actually prostitutes or whatever. After seeing all of Kiki's psycho sperg chan posts, coupled with everything I remember from her scene era (hello she spray painted "regal slut" on her own house for sympathy) I truly don't have anything positive to say about her. She isn't going to change.
I'll write fake encouragements just to try to squeeze out milk like everybody else but someone on her level of mental illness has no business acting the way she does. She's unsalvageable.
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I take it you don't remember that shitshow, or weren't around for it. >ludicrous claim
Um, have you not been paying attention? Do you know anything about the Ostrengas at all? Jesus.
(dif anon )
Someone in the Kota threads is compiling a time line of everything Kota's ever done. Maybe someone could do the same for Kiki, so when anons like the one you're quoting ( and me ) know what your talking about. That way when nefags or people that missed out come to the thread they have a place to go and read a more dense/no spam history.
I've never heard of this story either. . .
No, it's impossible for there to be proof unless someone has video footage of them spray painting it themselves. this is the first time i hear about this and it's face-palming stupid. this is another classic case of somebody making something up about them, and then defending the rumor despite having no proof. It happens a lot in these kiki/dakota threads.
rumors that can't be proven or disproven, but even if they sound really far-fetched, just saying something like "but it totally sounds like something they would do!" and "come on, who would call her regal?" is enough for everyone to believe it apparently.
It’s also stupid to think that the police report is proof they didnt
do it themselves. No suspects were ever named and nothing ever came of the report they filed, it was literally a publicity stunt. Just like the Miami news article that says Danny raped Kiki against her will after lying about his age and then Cathy kicked him out when she found out. Utter bullshit spewn from there own mouths to paint them as victims when in reality, the only people who have ever given that
much of a fuck about image OR reputation/drama are themselves. If Kiki and her family would stop trying to stalk and censor everyone, she wouldn’t have any problems (aside from her mental ones ofc).
I have a vague recollection about it being debunked. Something like there was nobody who lived near them who would even do such a thing, much less somehow without being caught.>>468563
Pretty much this. It was the Ostrenga's height of fabricated drama where they are always just the victims at the time.
I remember how everything in the Rolling Stone article was insanely one-sided to paint that victim story (literally) too.
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It's probably only a coincidence that the writer of Kiki's Rolling Stone story was later involved in scandal of her own.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Erdely
The Ostrengas are extremely lucky they were "popular" in the MySpace era and not during such an aware and data-collecting time as the last few years.
I'm not one to harp on ~~newfagz uguu~~ often but if you weren't present for the Kannibal frenzy you've missed so much! There's plenty of crazy milk that is lost to the internet of the past. You wouldn't truly know just how batshit and pathetic the Ostrengas are unless you've been a longtime witness.
I was the same age as Kiki when she was the scene it girl and I followed all the scene queens. So many lost streams, gimmicks, and lies that are futile to bring up because there's no solid evidence beside memory.
One in particular that I wish I could dig up is the article that briefly went viral years ago where Kiki claimed her nudes were spread because a man "hacked" her webcam and took incriminating videos and screenshots of her family and blackmailed her into sending them. There was a whole article similar to the rolling stone piece where it was just victimhood piled on top of victimhood. A whole elaborate story spun about it. I believed it at the time because I was a naive teen. I felt sorry for her lol.
Does that sound "face palming" and "ridiculous"? I may not have caps of it happening (how would I know any of that would evolve into this at the time?) but that doesn't make it any less true. It's just yet another Ostrenga lie lost to scene era's lack of proper documentation.
I’m an oldfag too, anon, I remember. Problem is, I have no proof. For example, I know
I’ve seen screencaps of Dakota’s old videos with the sex doll and living doll tags on them, but I can’t find them anywhere anymore. Also, now links in old Dakota threads in the /cgl/ archive are starting to die. The Ostrengas know society is moving in a direction now where people are sick of bitchy, two faced liars who have nothing of value to offer anyone but their looks, and they know that if they want a chance at their girls being a part of it, they have to remake their entire history and erase as much of it as possible.
I wonder if there has ever been anyone else as obsessed with removing themselves from the internet as they are?
LOL skeptics will say we're a samefag talking to ourselves ;^)
While I understand the need for solid evidence and proof because so many people lie, exaggerate, and defame others, there's still the obvious fact that nobody has been better at defaming the Ostrengas as themselves. Nobody.
All they do is google themselves, obsess over themselves, and search for any cyber piece that paints them for as they are. Kiki has been like this for years, and she'll continue to be like this. She's twisted into such a narcissistic and hateful creature that I can't imagine her knowing a life without lies and grandiosity. This goes for Cathy as well. Awful parenting.
>>468787>an article claiming she was hacked and blackmailed into taking and sending nudes
I remember that as well, because I remember rolling my eyes at my computer screen when I read it. But that doesn’t explain why she was smiling and posing so much in
The last time I remember them being mentioned was as rewards for Kiki and Kota's Kickstarter in 2012.
I imagine there's still a huge box of them stuffed in the back of one of their closets in Florida, along with those tops they tried to sell with Kota's hideous art on and a bunch of white angel wing backpacks.
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She probably also has a bunch of leftover oversized crystal jewelry and overpriced bedazzled kimmidolls.
Kiki should've just started her own vegan makeup line instead of peddling random shit on the internet all these years.
Problem with Kiki (and Dakota to a degree I guess) is that they're chronic lazy ass. You can't fall into a good business plan magically and start making $$$ from day 1, anyone who tried or started a business knows that.
You can be succesfull at being a DJ, a model, a shop owner, a small brand designer even though there is a part of luck at play too, but you have to put your sweat and blood in it. You gotta work 24/7 with no such things as holidays and days off. You have to accept that the first few years you'll earn nothing and just bleed money.
The Ostrengas manage to launch something then get extremely disappointed when it doesn't take off in like 3 months, can't put effort into not making cheap crap (diamond jewellry) or straight up stealing music then consider it a dead-end and give it all up.
Dakota is kinda the same, especially with her art or brands that never really improve or take off, except she got really lucky she went viral with the real barbie trend but she never really worked out to be a regular model size.
So yeah jumping on that vegan makeup comment, you can all imagine what cool career plan Kiki might have a shot at, it's pointless. She'll never be good as a business owner because she lacks efforts, ethics and hard-work.
It'd be a flop.
The only thing Kiki could ever profit off of at this point is raw honesty. Videos about her past, about growing up a cyber prostitot, real true accounts and moving forward from her past. Nobody is interested in anything else because the majority knows she's a horrid person.
The Dr. Phil direction is all she's got left, she's failed at everything else. Pull a bunch of stuff out of your ass but we all know it's true. She's incapable of being chill, relatable, and genuine. You can practically see her melting.
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She should just get a regular fucking job, and completely stop with the fame chasing. Kota was a fluke and got lucky, Kaka has been at it for years now and nothing has stuck. Its fine to do this all as a hobby, but its not getting her anywhere in life. She failed acting,DJing,modelling,Jewelry brand and youtube and now all thats left is "creative writing" ( Book ) which will tank too and leave her in a hole.
If home girl keeps it up she'll be some jobless 30 yr old living in her parents basement still screeching about the haters.
wtf are you even on about?>>469891
of course koots was a fluke. she only got there due to shoops and stayed due to contractual obligation/being resigned cause of public interest. she's basically a freakshow to gawk at, which is how they'd treat kaka since she's not a pure waif-ey white girl.
Lol, she didn't.
Creative writing ( writing a book ) is one of the arts she hasn't tried yet to seek fame with. It just seems like she's going down the list of all arts hoping one will stick and make her rich and famous.
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Damn Nuck Figgers, who pissed in your Cheerios?
- but kind of surprised that kiki hasn't deleted those yet.
She might have posted this herself so she has a reason to say she's a victim.
There's barely any activity on her videos to warrant extremely specific hate posts that have that outdated Ostrenga style.
I agree. She tightly controls all of her content and tries to police everyone else’s…this shit makes no sense. And I can definitely see her using a race-based handle. >>470788
As in my response? Well give me a suggestion cause this shit is way past salty.
Ugh, as entertaining as that'd be, that massive sense of pride she has makes it physically impossible for her to let herself be seen as anything other than that empathetic vegan warrior image that she tries so hard to push.
Kiki's internet presence would probably be a lot easier if she could just let people take the piss out of her without the theatrics - or hell, even do it herself for once. I don't think I've ever seen her make fun of herself without it being some weird attempt to actually give herself a compliment (correct me if she has though!) It's funny how much she wants to be seen as quirky and ~*t0tally randum*~ but girl can't seem to take a joke at her own expense every once in a while without wanting to hyperventilate into an eco-friendly, reusable bag. She needs to loosen up. People with an enormous following usually have to develop some kind of backbone and be able to take the occasional flack that comes their way. Two totally different leagues here, but how many times do you think that someone like Pewdiepie or whatever gets some rando in their inbox making death threats? And here we have Kiki writing near essay-length outbursts because some girl said her hair was thin in a passing YouTube comment. I don't think someone with such a fragile mental constitution is made for the internet.
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When I was a little kid in elementary school.. I was big into the spice girls. Anyway, I decided that I too wanted fame. I had an asshole kid friends and they'd go all out, by jerks, say mean things and make me cry. Then they'd say that shit… that you just said HURR DURR I THOUGHT YOU WANTED FAME?! FAMOUS PEOPLE HAVE TO HEAR IT ALL THE TIME! (please put me out to pasture. This story is over)(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Sage for no contribution, but I performed a little meitu magic on her nose, and realized she would look one thousand times better if she had a simple nose job. Not even a turned up button nose, just straightening the bridge and reducing the tip. I'm not saying that surgery is always the way, but it makes her look much less haggard.
I feel like people should do what they did with Onision and just have a website dedicated to old videos/new.
Kiki or Dakota ( cause it could be either or taking shit down) have proven they'll just keep copyrighting shit till the end of time. Its been 5 years an they still care about stupid old scene videos being up online, even if they only rake in 15 views.
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Kiki or Dakota got the videos uploaded taken down. Here's the screenshot. Also, I have saved a TON of their videos. I will upload more.
This. If Kiki were okay with her nose then she would have never written her text wall about her self esteem and her “friend” who got a nose job and wasn’t happy with it.
Although I don’t understand why her parents are willing to give her $5K for a shitty puppet movie but they can’t get her some plastic surgery/cosmetic procedures to make her look less dehydrated and sallow.
Kiki confirmed for still lurking lolcow then I guess.
Merry Christmas keeks.
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Who else thinks Keeks having shorter hair like this looks good on her? Her hair looked healthy here, compared to what it looks like now & the candid pics at Walmart.
fuck my eyes
learn to take a screenshot
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Look who got my account suspended.
What about https://sendvid.com/
? It allows anonymous uploading, but I don't know much else about it.
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Recent tweets for posterity.
So she's not totally in hiding like after the Taku saga, but ignoring the whole acting career? I wonder if she'll just segue straight into a new project/career or if she'll have another hiatus before popping back up… because we all know the Ostrengas will never quit the internet fantasy game.
12/15/2017 HEARING - Lack of Prosecution - LeBlanc, Bob
It's coming up soon. I wonder if she's gonna show up.
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From her current Instaspam. Feel free to roast.
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Stop stalking Kiki Kardashian
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Wow, I forgot how good she’s able to look. If she tried to look good like this again, she would probably be doing a lot better off as an ~actress~ and might have even had a decent shot at modeling.
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I'm willing to bet that she could only hold this pose while drunk.
loving the eyeliner on top of the hair look. yeah anon, she totally
looked like this
>>474728>she totally looked like this
You sound unnecessarily salty. Kiki WAS objectively pretty when she put on makeup and did her hair. So yeah, she did
look like that, because not every pic with the slightest, tiniest little flaw is evidence of photoshop. And, even if it was, so what? That’s not the point. The point was
that if Kiki stopped being a hobo she could look pretty again without plastic surgery or a drastic style change with just a new hairstyle and some heavier makeup.
lol why are you being so agressive? i'm just pointing out her photoshop. kiki was too trashy to ever be considered attractive by the majority and now shes insane.
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I'm surprised she didn't shoop this more.
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I like this look but we all know she will never go this route again.
Okay I'm done posting screenshots from that account.
She looks great with blonde hair but I don't think she can actually maintain it. Looking at both of them, they have extremely thin and limp hair. To try and puff it up this much and get it to that color would probably make them bald.
Tbh, I think if they went with a shorter hairstyle with bangs it would work better since it wouldn't draw out their features so much.
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What did she mean by this?
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KIKI CHAN IS HOLLYWOOD
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LOL this comment on the trailer
but this is beyond the level of enjoyably rubbish movie
it's just shit
trust me, I was the one to download the movie and post it here originally
it's not 'it's so bad it's good', it's just garbage. the plot makes no sense, they never even explained what happened to 'lilou's character.
those types of details take it from cheesy dumb horror to total trash
sage for samefag
but this is literally The Biggest Role Lilou had. And it was shit, 18 months ago. That was the grand summation of her entire acting career, everything else was student films or a 30 second part in a low-rated cable show.
Yeah, it'd be fun to see her carry on with the same rubbish but she's never getting anywhere with it.
The social media silence proves that she's given up on this project (along with her extensive history).
That's a pity she gave up(?), I see nothing wrong about being part of a trashy movie or keeping on same lvl all your career, it's a job, you can get some fans and have a good time. I dont agree with diminished her for that. Still think it's pretty cool to start with something like this. Too bad she gave up, I confess I got interested in her after the movie and was hoping to see more of her.
Sorry about the positivism but nothing to be mean about atm
This. There's good shitty horror films and bad shitty horror films. This is bad shitty and fans of the genre agree.
Kaka's going to drop the pretentious Lilou persona soon I bet. Literally nobody knows her as that name. All her acting "work" did was showcase her massive honker, which isn't on any of her photos.
How exactly do you file against Jane Doe…?
Who is supposed to show up??
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Kiki for the love of hairlines PLEASE start getting some nutrition because balding like this on a woman happens when your malnourished.
Here I present where a normal hairline would be vs her actual hairline
funny anon should mention it. there was a screenshot of her formspring once where she claimed she had a Polish nose and was proud of it (in response to a mean comment about her nose).
her ethnicities include every country in the UK, every country in Scandinavia, + Irish, Polish, French, German and Dutch. surprisingly doesn't claim Russian, only says that people think she is.
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KIKI CHAN OBJECTIVELY ATTRACTIVE
KIKI CHAN MODERU
omg I just realized that. It's Americanized Ostręga.
Both of the sisters "look Polish" when you think about it, though they wouldn't be considered pretty. Especially Kiki.
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>>475931>She looks like Mac Tonight.
to have many followers, back in her scene days. But she's been a nobody for a while, lolcow has nothing to do with the fact that no one cares about her nowadays.
Kiki can’t handle reality, and without Kota there to call everyone she doesn’t like a faggot, Kiki knows she can never go back to streaming. She literally can’t just ignore trolls, she’s pathologically driven to argue with them and prove she’s innocent andnin the right at all times. If she saw someone mention Taku in her stream chat she would probably shut off the stream and then make some shitty excuse 3 days later about her ISP randomly fucking up and how it’s ~tooootally not her fault, kittens! So sorry!~ before she fades back into the void for another year. She’s like a bad cartoon villain- she keeps popping up with a new scheme, then the actions of a few random people foul up her plans, then she starts going on rants how those meddling haters ruined everything, and then flies off in her lolcopter to hide out and plan something else (while constantly googling herself and Dakota).
Her fantasy of being an innocent little victim is what’s killing her, if she would drop this fake nice bullshit and stop pretending she isn’t vain, shallow and self centered I would have a lot more respect for her.
Yup, I remember that. IIRC he was a regular who always stared at her and one day he just so happened to touch or grab her.
It grew more dramatic each time she retold the story.
I think the big baddie tried to dance with her, or something equally sinister. She called her mom, who called the cops, while Kiki refused to go back on the floor like her manager told her to and do work.
She can't even handle a weird customer at work without completely falling to pieces and calling her mommy. That's something young girls learn to deal with by age 15-6, and she was an adult at the time. You laugh it off, tell the guy you're working and that he's going to get you in trouble or fired if you cant do your job, and then you go back to work. If they guy is a pest, tell your boss and security to keep an eye on him and come help you out when he comes around, because he's not customer and won't buy anything.
She claimed there was a second man who was buying her presents and invited her to his car to see more presents. This is the kidnap claim, I think. Like, again. IF this dude exists outside of her mind, you blow him off, tell him no thanks, say you've got a boyfriend, whatever. Everyone has been creeped on in their lives, especially in service gigs.
She acts as completely helpless IRL as she does online. She never learned to function at all, and assumes her experiences are oh-so-unique because she's such a great beauty that men are turned literally insane by her charms, when she's dealing with normal, everyday shit (I've had dudes flash me dick pics on their phone as a restaurant hostess before, truly thinking that by showing me their dick, I would be unable to resist their charms. They mistake the plastic smile of a service worker / your polite tolerance of their presence as a customer for you being into whatever they want.) And once she has a bad experience, instead of coping with it, and coming back the next day, learning from her experiences and facing problems head on, she runs to mommy and never leaves the house again.
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Yeah even in this older pic, her forehead doesn't do her any favors.. poor thing.
Her eye makeup is so wonky it's fucking triggering
all honesty i thought she had dark brown hair and didn't recognize her, thinking it was someone random i thought she was actually really pretty. BUT that's also based on the lighting and colors, so i thought this was from the olden days of the 80s or some shit, i don't even know, but i made up a new personality and was able to find her attractive because of her strong nose.
she's just a shitty fucking artist. if she spent even a single fucking day she wastes online watching some solid films or doing actual research into visual art instead of mapping taylor's butthole she could get something done. the kawaii shit is so stale i do not have any idea what she is doing, and if she likes "creative" things or david bowie so much why doesn't she just research his shit and learn to be a proper artist and steal? thats all she did during myspace and it worked. can't be that hard.
yeah if she came back ironically as kiki kannibal she would be on trend. especially in la she's so dumb, that dollskill shit has moved on to ironic nu metal type things. sound clout rap is the new scene, mall goth has been an actual thing in a deliberate way. obviously there's norm trends, but i don't even know what she's about anymore. she's old enough where she needs to check herself and who she's really putting this show on for because it's obviously not her.
legit i think it's karma and she's stuck tripping on this empathy facade to make up for all the people she bullied, hurt, and scammed. like this is all supposed to happen lol, trapped as a false victim that no one cares about because she hurt so many people in that exact way. if she were truly empathetic or ~intuitive she would see that, it's not difficult. she needs to be about her shit read some basic jung and stop repressing this shadow self she lets run fucking rampant all over these boards.
think her real problem is that she is repressing a ton of reasonable trauma, her mom is a fucking psychopath and trained her from day one to be an entertainer just for existing. she probably got awarded constantly for nothing. her pathological need to be seen as an empath ~not on medication~ is the most obvious shit ever. to be a good performer you can't go against public opinion or stigma like her mom trained her; her problems could be greatly impacted by addressing the chemical imbalance (invoking sperg-chan, her obsessive unproductive thinking, etc.) but she can't allow herself to let go of the 'mask', her narcissism. she's not an empath she's a wolf in sheep's clothing, only she's low functioning as fuck and the trauma has her obsessed with a false image.
sorry i visit the kiki thread like twice a year she still trips me the fuck out, my bad regulars. i just want her to get help and actual understanding, how she could spend all her time online and not like google a fucking book. she's so upset about people talking about her but it's really to her benefit; we are EXACTLY what she wants and has chosen, a critical and circulative voice, and she needs to learn to truly free herself if she's going to do anything with her one life. I'm pretty sure she just uses us in place of a healthy rewards processing system, like as long as we exist "we" are always the problem and as long as we talk about her that's a good enough existence since growing up she equated life with internet presence. she knows she's not as good as her crazy ego, so rather than to face her ego death and work her way up she'll hate us and taylor forever like we're entities instead of human beings. she needs to put her shit is perspective but i guess that's why she's a cow
Fucking yes! I remember posting about it like last year because it was so damn weird. It caught my attention because she seemed drunk all the time but famously doesn’t drink. And I only think this because I’m tipsy like all the time and addicted to filming myself.
She could edit those parts out, though. But she sucks at that too.
ORDER OF DISMISSAL
This action was heard on Court's motion to dismiss for lack of prosecution. The Court
finds that (l) notice prescribed by rule 1.420(e) was served on September 26 ,2017; (2) there
was no record activity during the 10 months immediately preceding service of the foregoing
notice; (3) there was no record activity during the 60 days immediately following service of the
foregoing notice; (4) no stay has been issued or approved by the court; and (5) no party has
shown good cause why this action should remain pending. Accordingly,
IT IS ORDERED that this action is dismissed for lack of prosecution. The Clerk of the
Court is ordered to close this case.
DONE AND ORDERED on this 15th day of September,2017.
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing has been furnished this 20th day of
December, 2017 to:
Kirsten Ostrenga (her address in Ocoee, FL)
Jane Doe (address unknown)
oh no, it is fucking dead. it's only for teenagers with absent fathers to amass followings of chubby even younger bitches with no self esteem and creepy old men. you could argue emo is a trend but you could not argue for the validity of any of their lives. be real.
i hope she just lets her real personality rip, it was so good the first time around that it's the only reason we keep up hahahahaha.
Someone is triggered
. Did a vegan tumblr angel baby steal your man or what?
Alright anons, in all seriousness, why do you think Keeks dropped the case?
Not enough evidence?
Too lazy to show up?
Impossible to prosecute?
I feel like a lawyer wouldn't waste his time if he knew it was impossible, but some lawyers might just take your money and not care.
It seems to me that they dropped it because they're focusing all their time and money on trying to make her famous. I say this because she started to ditch going to court when she went to Japan for 3 months in hopes of becoming a model.
I honestly think she'd keep up with it if her family was rich.
She knew the case wasn't going anywhere.
As deluusional as the Ostrengas are they can't fight fact, as hard as they try.
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Late but laughing my ass off at Kiki retweeting this. Sperg-chan made so many posts far worse than these comments - the hypocrisy train never ends!
Searchable archive of PULL 1.0 http://pullarchive.gigglegoat.garden/
have fun <3
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blessing us all with a vintage ostrenga family portrait. three generations of women united, beautiful
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Happy Late Keekmas fam.
If you weren't so retarded and knew how to use an imageboard, you'd know there is already 3 of those.
it happened like 3 years ago. it was a legit schizo woman who thought she was "Kiki Kannibal" and went on extreme rampages including e-mailing places like the FBI and making literally hundreds and hundreds of relentless reports and spams because she thought that Kirsten was "faking her". Nothing really happened, everyone just tried to ignore her once they realized it was a mentally sick person. I don't think kiki ever said anything publicly about it, but I guess this >>480637
shows that she was at least documenting the batshit e-mails she was receiving from Laura. then she just disappeared, maybe she went to a mental ward.
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I think keeks would look like pic related if she went the instahoe fitness model route.
Not that she would ever tan or go to a public gym..imagine the candid pics of kiki trying to figure out the equipment at planet fitness or whatever popular gym chain is in Florida.
But honestly, the girl in this picture has a similar face to kiki and this trend works for her. I could see kiki pulling off a look/aesthetic like this if she ever left her plastic bubble.
>>480488>yet she lets that lunatic Laura Southworth spew all kinds of crazy shit.
After that first barrage against Kiki I don’t think she ever popped anywhere else. And I think Kiki left her alone because of the poor girl being legitimately schizophrenic, and even Kiki/Cathy must know they would get destroyed
for attacking a mentally ill person for having a breakdown/being off meds.
I was only speculating as to why they didn’t
react to it, not stating facts. Wash the sand out of your vagina stop Ostrenga stanning, your vitriol is so unnecessary.
If Kiki had doxxed a schizophrenic girl, she probably would have gotten massively shat on via Twitter and bullied off the internet, that’s all I’m saying. Which, of course, would
have been her fault. She was smart to catalog it and not respond, Dakota style. Why so salty?
I mean she might well be humiliated that her acting didn't shoot her straight to the A list. I think she does feel a certain shame about all her 'careers' failing since she generally avoids mentioning them again and tends to old content. But yeah, the Taku thing was pretty big and definitely didn't help last time.
There were other (shorter) gaps but my memory's failing me now.
I think it was a combination of..>candid photos>her mom's twitter freakout>a very disappointing patreon subscriber count>finding out 2/9 patrons were farmers that leaked all her paid content>having to send refunds to everybody because they were paying her for nothing in return.
it was a hell of a bad time for her.
That's the web series she filmed early last year >>351491
That and Acheron have been on her page since the fall but haven't been updated.
Oh, Kirsten. I’ve spent the past hour reading through this psychologically fascinating series of events and have a lot of empathy for what she’s been through. She's constantly on trial.
She keeps shedding personas, names, and interests like used tissue, but it will always circle back to her. She wants desperately to be reborn, yet she is bound to herself. And it is necessary. Destiny. It reminds me of the Bousquet quote: ’My wound existed before; I was born to embody it.'
There’s such a contrast between her “love and peace” exterior but strange, violent impulse brewing under the surface to the point of psychosis. Like when she sperged “KIKI SO PRETTY MODEL” “TAY UGLY BIG NOSE” it’s like a regression, as if she screams it loud enough it may manifest true. Jealousy, anxiety over aging, fear of failure.
If Kiki would stick to a path she could really excel. She could genuinely be successful doing jewelry design, or vlogging, or something else. But every time, she becomes sidetracked or discouraged by fear of failure and ego. She’s lacking in consistency while brewing with self defeatism. Her passion is misplaced, diverted.
I think we can all see a little bit of ourselves within Kiki. I would love to chat with her and just suss out her perspective on all this, and offer her some support or friendship. I wish her well.(armchair)
no1curr people would treat you better on here if you read the rules before posting your opinion
- either beauty guru,
- fit vegan nutritionist,
- writer (less likely, cause too much work and not enough cute pictures for the interwebz), -
- or some sort of cult/philosophy prophet
I agree, but too bad the storytime trend ship has sailed. She should build an audience by continuing to do Youtube, Patreon and should even live stream like she used to. But the possibility of new ‘fans’ who would stumble across these threads could backfire on her.
I really wish she shouldn’t go into hiding like this because I do actually like Kiki and have followed her since the Stickam days. I went vegetarian almost a decade ago because of her and I also purchased one of her ‘diamond’ necklaces back in the day - which I found the other day kek. These threads are literally the only way of keeping up to date with her.
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Here's a brief clip of Room 8 I found the other day. 0:40 - 0:60.http://www.imdb.com/videoplayer/vi2839722265?ref_=nm_rvd_vi_1
We already saw some of this on Instagram way back when, but this vid really shows off her bad acting and the shoddy production.
I remember someone at the time claimed that her ridiculous expression after the glassing wouldn't be included, that it was going to be off camera or something but nah. Kiki totally sucks (/sucked) at acting, no two ways about it. Seriously below even B movie level, which is what the Tania Fox chick is.
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someone needs to make the crazy eye thing into a gif lol
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oh keeks, can soemone get this bitch a weave or some tape ins or sew ins please
how long will she continue to disappear then reappear to pursue fame with her alopecia amish hair
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I wonder if Kiki stopped being an actress because she found out all her costars did porn and she felt like acting was somehow “ruined” for her? That would be dumb though considering how pervy her and kota used to be.
she said >you bitch, just about to be dead if you don't get the FUCK outta here.
if it matters.
She can't handle criticism or being given suggestions or corrections. She'd probably argue with the guys that she knows what men like more then men do.
Are there filters on live videos ? Because she looks pretty fucking scary without them. ( Just basing off of OP pic ) Girl looks more like a zombie than a elf in rl. She also seems to hardcore want fame without any effort soo..
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why is this a bop tho..
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Found this, browsing for new releases for her gigs.
It says it's for Room 8 and it was from the end of January. So, either this is an old pic, or that series has a second season.
The first part hasn't even aired yet though, so.. who knows?http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7549830/
It's from last year, it was posted a year ago >>351494
I doubt that she's still in L.A. or pursuing acting. It's so much about networking and building a portfolio and unless she has a new secret persona she would have to be online again somewhere.
It was called 'Jamais Vu' and nobody managed to find anything beyond the clip in the director's reel. Sadly I doubt we're going to see any of the student crap besides Daisy.
Still kek that Lilou wrote 'Gemma Vu' on her CVs.
haha right? I still remember that chorus without even clicking on it
'A-B! NEGATIVE O! THERE'S BLOOD, AT THE STORE!!'
We are two blood related sisters who are audio engineers and have studied musical composition. We comprehend and enjoy the technical aspect of music as well as the creative process. Pioneers at heart, we are independent in the fact that we will complete tasks on our own. If we do not know how to obtain something, we research and work towards goals. Owning a corporation, Kiki Kannibal Corp./KND Kouture, has rewarded us with great morals, ethics, and business savvy qualities. We hand make our couture and manufacture our KND apparel with high qualities, fine detail and great artisanship. We work together in creating designs for our needs. In short, we try to be the girls that do it all without spreading our talents and aspirations too thin. Our creativity sprouts from our dreamy, yet luminous vivacious minds. Since the two of us have had the amazing opportunity to work in studios/control rooms, we have gained knowledge and advice from men and women who currently work in the music industry. From the advice and knowledge gained, we are aware that A&R often "borrow" ideas from beginning or midline artists to feed to their artists that have national exposure. We do not approve/like this fact. Please respect our creative expression… if you enjoy our ideas/music, give us a chance in the big ocean with the sharks, after all we are trained in dealing with Great Whites. ;)
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i miss kaka
Not to mention>our dreamy, yet luminous vivacious minds
is the Kikiest of Kiki word salad
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Have we seen these yet?
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Yes my friend, these were posted a while back.
This thread is dead, please don’t bump without new milk.
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Nobody ever posted this. The "clean up dead bodies" part is such a Kaka thing to say. I've noticed she's been retweeting things on twitter lately, as recently as a few days ago, if anyone cares.
Kirsten Ostrenga is an autistic NEET living in her parent's basement, trolling around Orlando.
I wish there was new milk, but alas, she's in hiding since anon took her picture at Walmart.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Not Walmart anon, but we shouldn't even imply blame on them.
They snapped photos of Keeks when she was still pretending to be in LA as an aspiring actress, when really she'd quit several months before. Eventually we would have found out that she'd given up on her glittering acting career anyway, they just expedited the process by stopping Kiki from lying outright.
Kiki has had several long periods before where she's disappeared after failing at shit, eg: after she split from Taku.
Totally agree, Walmart anon brought us a tsunami of milk. I was just actually wondering how she felt about it now.
I hope Kaka reemerges with a new "career" or at least sperg-chan comes back
Nah i don't feel bad at all. It was so wild seeing a cow in real life.
I'm sure she'll pop back up once she tries to find a get rich quick scheme again, if mommy and daddy haven't cut her off and made her get a job.(wishful thinking I know)
I do keep an eye out when I'm on that side of town and whenever I stop in at a whole foods/trader Joe's.
It wasn't really 'milk', it was just entertaining for everyone who was curious about seeing Keeks in the wild. We would have found out eventually that she was still in Florida. The creepshots weren't worth scaring her off when we were actually starting to get some activity from her after a long pause. Plus, if she'd kept pretending to be in LA, the reveal would have been even more glorious because there'd be a longer trail of lies to follow.>>517060
26 may be too old to break into (traditional) modeling, and most famous actresses get discovered young, but it's not like she's the crypt keeper. People who are 26 and much older can and do get breaks, especially now that social media allows those who aren't traditionally appealing to find an audience. There are plenty of 'e-celebs' that gained their popularity in their 30's or later. The traditional entertainment industry is heavily biased towards women in their teens or early 20's because they're more likely to have a longer career where they pull in high amounts of money. The internet eliminates that barrier. I swear to god, some of the teens on this site think that anyone over the age of 21 is an old hag.
That said, she has exhausted most of her avenues. She could DEFINITELY make a career out of milking nostalgia, e.g. through vlogging about the good old days, returning to the fashion style of her teen years and amassing a tumblr following (which many less 'famous' former scene kids who are older than her have managed to do), or otherwise gaining exposure and then getting involved with some sort of fashion brand that caters to "scene" teens. She could do the same thing by opening an Etsy shop; the effort it takes to sell things like jewelry now is wayyyyy lower now than it was when she originally gave it a try. But, of course, she's probably terrified of opening herself up to criticism/reopening old wounds from her teenage years, and it doesn't seem like she'll ever be able to stick with something that doesn't give her instant heaps of attention and praise. Still hoping she makes it tho.
It's pretty obvious at this point that Kiki doesn't have and never had any motivation to complete anything in her life.
Even the smallest etsy shop requires work (actual work and marketing) and good business ethics. Plus I doubt she could make a decent living thanks to that so I don't think she'd be interested in keeping up the work for minimum wage after a few months.
Kiki doesn't want any kind of career that isn't going to maker her a) famous, b) rich and c) for the lowest amount of effort possible.
Plus I honestly feel like even if she tried to relate to teens now, she wouldn't be able to do it. She's completly out of the loop in terms of what's trending, nobody even likes preachy hipster vegans, nobody relates to her.
You guys can try and throw ideas at the wall but nothing besides winning a lottery ticket or being put on an old millionaire's will is going to maker her rich and famous if she doesn't work hard for it.
>>517131>It's pretty obvious at this point that Kiki doesn't have and never had any motivation to complete anything in her life.
>Even the smallest etsy shop requires work (actual work and marketing) and good business ethics. Plus I doubt she could make a decent living thanks to that so I don't think she'd be interested in keeping up the work for minimum wage after a few months.
This is true, but her mother is definitely motivated enough to run a shop. The ethics part is another story.
>Plus I honestly feel like even if she tried to relate to teens now, she wouldn't be able to do it. She's completly out of the loop in terms of what's trending, nobody even likes preachy hipster vegans, nobody relates to her.
Right now the people who grew up with her are becoming established in the adult world and are starting to become nostalgic for the mid-00's. In addition, thanks to tumblr pretty much every 'aesthetic' under the sun has a big following. Keeks could easily attract attention by doing tell-alls about her life as one of the biggest internet celebrities of her time and making how-tos about the fashion style that got her 'famous'. It really wouldn't take too much effort. She just doesn't seem to want to capitalize off of her past for whatever reason. She's been fixated on the vegan indigo child shit for quite a while now, so maybe that's just who she's really become as a person (with a dark splergchan side, of course). If she wants to capture some fame then she'll need to get rid of it on camera and either hop onto a bandwagon or remind everybody of who she used to be. Maybe one day she'll become desperate enough to do that, who knows. Or >>517146
In seriousness, though, I wonder what's holding her back from vlogging about her scene queen days. She'd have an immediate audience, and if she was careful enough she could paint herself as a sympathetic character to everyone who isn't aware of her more recent fuck-ups. For all of the nasty shit she did as a teen, a lot of it wasn't completely her fault.
Maybe it’s her ethereal vegan forest nymph gig but I feel like anything that paints her in even the slightest bad light she feels the need to delete all evidence of. So revisiting her past and openly talking about it wouldn’t interest her at all.
Imho I think she’s out of pathways. Her real issue isn’t even her shitty past or personality because many of the scene kids that where big alongside her have solid careers despite all that. Her main obstacle is her inability to apply herself in the long term. She needs to succeed quickly or she quits. If keeks doesn’t apply herself in life, she’s always going to be retweeting fake deep vegan bs from her parents basement in Florida. I don’t even mean to be famous but to get a basic job. She’s 26 and has little to show for it.
Not to shit on your ideas anon but here's the thing : Kiki can't keep a consistent schedule and the golden days of YouTube bringing the bux are gone.
But let's assume she'd do it, like >>517203
anon said, anything remotely negative towards her send her hiding into a cave, and her scene days were the ones filled with the most drama.
It'd take her a massive amount of courage to admit to her shitty past but even then, people would rag on her for the sake of her existing.
People would bring up her scam shop and the death of her ex bf accompagnied by the disgusting page she made about it.
And pandering to the tumblr crowd ? Aka the crowd of kids with barely any money and picking on anything remotely problematic
? Doubt it'd go well.
kek this is 100% Kathy or Kirsten Ostrenga.
It definitely sounds like Kathy, but why would she only pop up again after Kiki's thread is bumped? Dakota's thread in /snow/ is still fairly active.
Maybe she was triggered
by the anon in the Dakota thread finding out about the Arizona account?
Both Acheron and Knock Knock were screened a while ago, I doubt they're going to be put online after this length of time. Maybe clips as part of a director's reel like Jamais Vu, at best.
The writer/director of Room 8 hasn't mentioned it in a looong time, I wonder if it'll ever be completed.
I mean I'd love to see more of her shitty acting but I doubt it's going to happen.
Considering most actors have side jobs until they can get lead roles and even then you can be dropped at any moment. But we all know how delusional the Ostrenga’s are, there’s no surprise there.
I wish keeks would get herself an average job and try to become a bit more independent. But I doubt that will ever happen.
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I checked to see if Kiki has been active on any of her Lilou accounts (she hasn’t, sadface) and found a Japanese Lilou Vos account that reads a lot like it could have been written by Kiki trying to reinvent her persona:
>An easygoing gamer who doesn’t dwell on the past/things from before. Likes art festivals, live shows, fashion, movies, manga, sake, beautiful things, and loves playful people.
Could it be possible that Kiki, humiliated after being exposed in FL as a failed actress, flew to Japan to live with Kota and become a game streamer? For $5K, she could get maybe a year of language school and free housing with Kota.
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This account was created in 2014. Would not be surprised if Kaka just stole the name.
I don't understand Japanese but are they typing it properly? As in, google translate Japanese?>>527884
So she still lurks at least. It's only a matter of time until she makes a return.
It doesn’t look like it was google translated, but it’s not that complicated of a sentence and then just a list of interests, so yeah. I’m the anon who posted it and while it was an interesting find, I do agree that Kiki probably saw it and stole the name- we all know the last thing she came up with herself was stripes in her hair when she was 13. >>527909
What did you use to find out when the account was made? That’s pretty neat, anon. Does it work with sites other than twitter?
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i'm pretty sure this same video had already been removed by keeks upthread months ago, but did it get reuploaded? because it's been removed again as of 2 days ago (bummer because i never was able to watch it way back when the anon posted it)
I watched this after work and expected to have to skip through the shit but it actually made me laugh so hard.
The dwarf and his daughter were meant to be russian but had bad english accents and literally everyone that was meant to be german had russian accents.
Also the puppet with gun tits made me chortle.
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The DMCA claim was overturned last time because Kiki isn't the copyright holder. I messaged them and will see if they put it back up.
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I did a google search on the name Leslie Kulesh and the third image result is pic related, which I’ve never seen before. This woman was apparently some kid of edgy artist, but idk why there’s an article about her headed with a wall sized pic of Dakota’s viral shoop, since it doesn’t mention her at all.
It's a projected image.
I found this: http://lesliekulesh.hotglue.me/?As%20Long%20As%20You%20Love%20Me
>Could the popularity of female face morphing and body augmentation online point to a near future where the digital image of beauty is all that’s necessary for satisfaction? Could an online aesthetic revolution short circuit the women’s beauty industry the same way bloggers circumvented print fashion magazines? In A Cyborg Manifesto: Science, Technology, and Socialist-Feminism in the Late Twentieth Century, Donna Haraway looks toward a world in which we have all become cyborgs to one degree or another and makes an argument “for pleasure in the confusion of boundaries and for responsibility in their construction.” Using technology’s advances to blur the lines between reality and fiction, young girls have begun altering their online personas to create second identities.
>For Festivela, on Friday, July 20th, participants looked at the unofficial ethics of multiple online identities, documentation weighing in over actual events, and the origin of ‘cute,’ all from the comfortable physicality of our corporal bodies. Featuring a 15 minute Power Point performance, a 45 minute looped video, a Golden Ratio worksheet and snacks.
So… an exhibition about people creating false identities, possibly through Photoshop? No wonder the Ostrengas wanted it taken offline.
I always feel like Cathy's role is understated, whether it's these basic copyright claims or totally fucking up all three of her children.
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Are we not going to see or hear anything from her after the last few bits of her acting trickle in?
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The director has a few pics we hadn't seen of her.
There aren't many actors involved in general but I think someone said Tania Fox did softcore (under a different name?). Tania was also in Puppetmaster so obviously that's how Keeks got the job.
Good to see Kiki isn’t the spoop she always shooped herself into>>529427>roomate drama is real>roomate
lmfao, the director can’t even spell.
I think English is his second language. All the same, he’s a student.
I’m very interested to see this one because i get the idea that Keeks character is insane. And that’s always fun to see.
I still can’t find anything for Acheron and Knock-Knock.
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We're missing you, Keeks.
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He tagged her with this account in that Instagram post. So she really wants to hide from the internet as much as possible, she must be really paranoid. That explains why she stopped using her main Instagram.
Can't wait for Kiki's sweet skills?
Here's some more. Start at :39 seconds.>>529579
Play on words, anon. "Room ate… 8"
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This is soooo hilarious, made a gif.
Look at Kiki's 'acting' omg….
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The other girl isn't much better
They were a product of the burn tool. If you compared her stripes in different pictures they were never the same. I think she tried to do stripes when people started catching on and calling her and Koots out for their Photoshopping but it looked nothing like her pictures. You can kind of see it in that one old video of them at the table making her necklaces and screeching like retards. >>529513
Wasn't there a pic of the Puppet Master script that they all signed and Kaka did her embarrassing signature with wings drawn on the sides? I think she wrote on there that Tania was the nicest girl lmao. >>530207
Dat titty jiggle. Kaka looks like a demon.
Not to WK but it's weird because Tania's demo reel didn't look that
bad, the clip from Room8 was really jarring and out of place compared to the rest of the reel. Wonder if Keeks was so annoying that it threw Tania off her game, lol.
There's no strength in that swing at all. Looks like the she's gently booping her on the head.>>530182
They couldn't have retaken the shot and told her not to look around like a deer in the headlights? Not that a real actress should need to be told.
Thought you were talking about the pan. Either way
you're nit-picking something stupid. It's acting. She's not supposed to hurt her for real just to make the swing look more believable, this is $5,000 budget short film, not a hollywood stunt.
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New IMDb credit. Interestingly, filming took place in October 2017, not long after the Walmart photos. Miscredit or did Kiki really head back to LA?
I don't know that it was that 'out of nowhere'. She maintained the facade that she was active and cared about her ‘fans’ with vlogs and then Patreon until late summer 2017, despite both slowing down out of laziness. She only totally stopped posting new material after the Walmart photos (besides her animal cruelty RTs that no-one cares about). She was gearing down for a while and once again letting down her ‘fans’, it wasn't that sudden. I can see her not getting any acting jobs, giving up and not having enough to brag about. Kiki in the last couple of years appears to be different in her PUBLIC behavior, she's pretending to be less of an egomaniac and more of an empath (fucking lol) and I actually wouldn't be surprised if she tried to stay off the radar to some extent now. I think she finally realised her life isn't worth bragging about.
All speculation obviously but I can actually see her hiding things more these days.
I'm thinking something similar anon. I mean she has that secret Instagram account and the last public photo on her main Instagram account was about haterzz.
Tinfoil she wants to do the same as Dakota and tries to keep everything private because she thinks she's a celebrity.
Not really an update, but my video that Kiki DMCA'd for the second
time was enabled by Vimeo again because she didn't follow through on providing court documents proving she'd file a suit against me for copyright breach. lulhttps://vimeo.com/234225902>>455544>>528647>>529239>>529257
She's obv memeing, but like
wasn't she so pressed about cutting ties with her Kiki Kannibal persona, and now she posts like 5 tweets about Drake asking if Kiki loved him? Make up your mind Keeks, you want to bury your past or embrace it
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she had a minor sperg about a line in drake's song "in my feelings" because he says the name "kiki"
nothing worth noting tbh
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She also retweeted a couple of tweets with some random people talking about the song>>546047
I don't think she's memeing anon, I really do believe she thinks drake wrote that part of the song "inspired" about her
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She also retweeted this, is she trying to imply she's an innocent lovely girl who's never made any harm to anyone else but media and the whole internet still hates her?
didn't she claimed once that a local sushi place named one of their veggie menu items after her?
>>546135>I really do believe she thinks drake wrote that part of the song "inspired" about herjfc the eyeroll
… Anon, you're the only one that sounds legit crazy.
This thread is so dead that people keep bumping it for the stupidest things, but this takes the cake.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Wonder if she is killing off her failed Lilou Vos persona
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samefag, she flip flopped her instagram accounts
It's possible? There's also a @voslilou account that's private and has no bio or display pic, it looks like she had all her followers move over to that one >>529798
Currently it has 86 posts, 25 followers and she's following
408 people. I guess she decided to just follow everyone and hope aomeone famous notices her on IG.
She won't, she wants to be effortlessly famous for being beautiful, talented and kind. She can't accept that she's none of those things, if she embeaced her edgelord persona and went back to heavy makeup for the camera, she could probably have a massive following again. She could make videos about celebrity drama, vegan cafe reviews, whatever bullshit she does with her free time and disabilitybux, but in order for that to work she would have to not only sincerely
apologize for all the ugly shit she said in the past and
acknowledge being outed as Spergchan, or else she would be flooded with people asking about it that she would have to constantly ignore and block, like kota with the shoops, which kills yoir chances of keeping a good following. She has all the free time, money and support from her enabler parents to actually be a youtube celeb, but she can't because she doesn't want to acknowledge anything that conflicts with her made up vegan saint image.
Agreed. Even with her threads packed with legit beauty advice and visual evidence of how much better she would look, I really think she's too paranoid to be caught taking a hater's advice. She thinks that Farmers trying out her recipes and product recommendations is a sign that they're secretly jealous and hopelessly obsessed with her, if that's any indication of the thought process here.
Also, "not letting the haters win" was the logic behind Kiki not being taken offline when she was being dogpiled on MySpace and recording half-naked dancing videos as a young teen, too.
It has never
worked out for them, I don't think (apart from Dakota) they've ever just drawn a line and said "I'm going to let this go because I don't want Internet Haters to affect this area of my life/identity".
Dennis actually cards girls to make sure they're old enough to date, so he's already better than Onision.
Dee spent her life discouraged by her parents instead of coddled by them so that makes her better than Kiki.
the always sunny characters are horrible people who are just relateable enough that you still root for, but still awful enough that they always get what's coming to them
kiki and the like, are terrible people with no redeemable or relateable qualities, and usually just skate on by never having to answer for their bullshit
also that show is sacred dont ever compare it to such trash again
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Just a couple of twitter screenshots of Kiki still being Kiki. I miss her, I wish the milk would flow again. Also a couple of things I noticed is that Dakota and her don’t follow each other still, and she only follows celebrities. Does she really think Elon musk and NASA are her peers? It’s weird to me that the biggest scene queen/Internet personality just cut ties with all other net famous people. I guess she feels she’s above internet celebs or something. Other than her still sticking with her “I started raccoon hair give me muh creditttt!