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No. 469216

An all-purpose employment thread. Post about your employment status, successes, woes, anxieties, rants, etc. The chancellor will see you now

No. 469219

>>131699
Old thread

No. 469229

There's like 100 posts left in the old thread though and it moves really slow

No. 469243

I like my job but I'm not sure if my position will move to full-time and I'm at the point now where I'm looking for full-time work. I enjoy the company I work for, what I do, and the flexibility of my schedule but I'm trying to save up to move out next year and I need more hours.

I'll have been at my job a year next month and I'm hoping I'll either get a raise or more hours but I just don't know. Looking for full-time work elsewhere also hasn't been panning out but I haven't been investing that much in searching since I really do like my job now.

No. 469253

I have a bachelors and make just under 15 an hour. The job search is so stressful that I dread trying to look for anything better.

No. 469442

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>>460444
i got called for an interview with the ceo even though my application was terrible lol. this is my first proper job interview and i'm not sure how to prepare? it's next week.

idk what it'll be like to have a male boss. all my previous bosses have been female, and they have been wonderful.

No. 469659

I think I'm going to quit my job this week.
I've been there 4 years and I can't take it anymore. I got up at 6 this morning to get into work at half 7, found out my boss had changed my roster and gave my shift to someone else without telling me and instead gave me the night shift…I had to walk the entire way home. I told my coworker I wouldn't be back in and to just tell my boss I'm sick.
this isn't even the first time this has happened. I feel like my boss does it on purpose. she's very vindictive and will make your life hell for no reason.
anyways I'm sitting at home now hoping they don't call me in

No. 469670

If I don’t have a job by January I’m definitely going to kms.
Why the fuck are there 27 other people to compete with for any goddamn position?

No. 469753

Hi. So, I have a job interview that's going to be both technical and behavioural tomorrow, but I'm kinda sick. It started around last Tuesday and it's only ever gotten slightly worse since then. My nose is stuffed like a Thanksgiving turkey, my throat is itchy and coughy, and I feel tender every time I move a limb. I discussed with my mom if I should try and reschdule the interview, but she said no because that's inconsiderate of the employees' schedule and will leave a bad impression. I asked one of my friends and she said to suck it up and do it, because if there are other applicants, I could lose my spot. My other friend said to reschedule if I feel bad because he lost a job doing an interview sick; the employers thought he wasn't enthusiastic enough.

I recognize that my mom and friend both have points, but I don't feel my best, even with some cold/flu medication and I'm pretty sure I'm infectious…

What should I do?? Do I suck it up and interview or ask to reschedule?

No. 469762

>>469753
Depends, if you know there's a lot of competition I'd suck it up and go. If your employer can't put two and two together and realize you might come of as less enthusiastic because of your cold he's dumb.

On the other hand asking to reschedule isn't inconsiderate of the employees' schedule at all, you can't help you caught a cold.

No. 469785

>>469753
Show up, and show them you mean business. Then go home and curl up on the couch. Good luck anon, post updates.

No. 469805

>>469753
If you are going to go, make sure to let your interviewers know that you have a cold and don't shake their hands (just break the 4th wall and tell them "I would shake your hand but I caught a cold and don't want to get you sick")

if you don't, there is a good chance they will be able to tell you are sick… and if they realize you shook their hands etc and didnt tell them they will be disgusted…

No. 469845

Am I normal for feeling uneasy and awkward with almost everyone at my new job or do I have some kind of retardation?

I just joined a company where the atmosphere is pretty casual but I can't relax at all. Everyone seems friends with each other and I feel like an annoying autistic child just following people around.
It doesn't help that I don't really have any directions, I should be taking initiatives and asking questions/tasks I can do but I either pussy out or do it and then feel awkward because of the weird way I phrased something or the little annoyance I felt in the other person's tone.

All the jobs I've had I've felt like this to some degree and I'm starting to wonder if other people actually are at ease at their jobs and in good terms with their colleagues or if they're all secretly pretending and I'm getting conned.

No. 469853

>>469845
how long have you had your previous jobs for? I felt like this at my workplace when i started too but it eased up like a year in and now i feel super comfy and relaxed (3 years in). maybe you just need to wait it out?

No. 469860

>>469845
Most people have to go through this stage. You’ll loosen up as you learn how the job works, and you’ll just naturally become closer to your coworkers if they are decent people.

No. 469944

>struggling to find a job in my field so I'm literally starving and on the verge of homelessness, forcing me to live with my abusive parents who constantly threaten to kick me out
>apply for 2$/hr server job
>application takes 3 hours to complete, including 3 100 question surveys
>requires 2 licenses and several years of experience
>for below minimum wage casual chain restaurant

why are american employers like this

No. 469946

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Starting to realize the awful truth—literally everything is luck and connections.
Three years ago, couldn’t get hired on as a receptionist in a big city even with a bachelors degree.
Moved, randomly asked an old acquaintance to vouch me for an admin job at her company. Now?
About to be promoted, move to my dream city and make twice my hourly wage.
Seriously. Stay in touch with people. Even if they’re not doing anything amazing right now they might be just what you need in he future. I was cashiering with this girl as a 20 year old. Stay connected. Seriously.

No. 469947

>>469944
That's really tough, I'm sorry. The real question is, why do so many Americans accept and DEFEND this? People irl never stop talking about how great everything in America is, defend crazy shit like this, but from top to bottom, in terms of American quality of life, we are doing a terrible job considering our wealth and potential. This is banana republic shit. It's so depressing.

No. 470009

>>469946
Agreed.

No. 470077

>>469670
Please hang in there anon. After I graduated, I was desperately looking for almost two god damned years before I finally got a break in my field. I thought about suicide all the time and even had a mental hospital stay. It's just fucking tough out there, so much competition. Try not to take it personal because I guarantee you're not the only one rejected for any given position.

No. 470169

>>469853
>>469860
I've only had short jobs, less than a year.
Good to know it's normal but I'm kinda bummed out bc I'm only going to be in this one for 8 months too. Hope I can somehow feel at ease before it ends so it doesn't become another awkward memory.
Thanks guys.

No. 470289

Whenever a recruiter calls and asks what my "employment" goals are I just want to answer
Whatever the fuck pays me the best.
Whatever the fuck will stress me the least.
Where ever the fuck you can place me because I can learn and adapt.

I don't give a fuck. I have no aspirations or hobbies that I can merge into a career to capitalize from. Working for me just provides the monies necessary to pay bills and put extra in my pocket for shit I actually wanna be doing when I'm not working.
I'm tired of this fucking LARP that everyone must feel passionate for performing tasks that they don't really want to be doing for more than half of our lives.
Just give me the damn job and quit acting like I've gotta be happy that I'm making some CEO's life more disgustingly wealthy.

No. 470325

>>470289
I love how you've put my exact thoughts into words. I felt what you feel on a visceral level.

I always feel so phony when I come up with this bs answers and wonder if the interviewer really believes that or just plays along. Why ask this shit?

Maybe for certain job positions it makes sense, but for the ones that I've worked at? No.

No. 470367

>>470289
I was listening to a podcast the other day and the episode theme was "defining success" and what the hosts said really resonated with me. One of them said, "As far as I'm concerned, being successful just means being happy." It was such a simple statement but I realized I never thought about it like that before and it's so true. Why strive to reach the highest career level possible etc if it won't make you happy? Just to impress other people and fit into their narrow view of "success"? Nah, fuck that, it's not worth it.

No. 470493

Ok so i live in a shithole and im on a unbearable abuse situation, i have a plan to get out of here, do something with my life and leave the NEETdom, i have the balls and energy to start working/studying i just need to polish this plan, i can't give too much context btw but any criticism or help is appreciated:
>19yo neet
>Good at illustration, english (im from a latin country) and fashion design
>Study english for 4 years, because although it's very remunerated here nobody studies it or can pull it off (the average IQ here is 85)
>While studying english, doing art commissions to earn some dollars, i need to earn at least 100 dolars per week (maybe i could do translations too, idk how that works to be honest)
>Save money to move with my counsins
>Study fashion design and work on my cousin's store
>Maybe study administration and open my own store
Any tips would be aprecciated too

No. 470504

>>470493
>Study fashion design and work on my cousin's store
Is that a guarantee from your cousin? Is it a plan for the future or is their store is already up and running and profitable? It's not the safest choice to study, so unless it's a passion of yours ideally it should be a sure thing.
>Maybe study administration and open my own store
Starting your own business is hard mode, high likelihood of failure. I would recommend just getting normal, steady jobs before going on ambitious routes like that. Studying admin is a good idea for at least getting an office job though, and being bilingual can give you more options.

And I don't know if there's any particular reason you can't work part time while studying, but if you can make more than $100 a week in retail or fast food or whatever, you should do it.

No. 470753

>>470504
>Is that a guarantee from your cousin? Is it a plan for the future or is their store is already up and running and profitable? It's not the safest choice to study, so unless it's a passion of yours ideally it should be a sure thing.
Its not really guaranteed but she did help me in the past (if she doesn't help me then i will just study administration), i discovered they don't really have a store but have a stable business with regular costumers as she lives from it. I guess fashion design it's kinda like illustration since its not really a safe choice unless you really like it, i like creating designs and dressing people up, also dresses are horrible here so that's an extra inspo.
>Studying admin is a good idea for at least getting an office job though, and being bilingual can give you more options.
I think you're on the money , that's what everyone has told me actually, i have relatives that got office jobs after studying admin, and they also said being bilingual could get me very high since almost anyone does it and CEOs need someone to translate their products and shit.
>I don't know if there's any particular reason you can't work part time while studying
I'm still trapped in this third world country so my only chance at earning dollars is by doing commissions to US citizens.
Thanks for the advice anon, have a nice day!

No. 470830

Anyone got tips on occupations in a country where they don‘t speak the language?

I‘m lucky enough to be supported by my bf at the moment, we moved here together when he got a job and I graduated, but it‘s been over 6 months now and nothing.

I‘m just done volunteering at a festival and my god, the difference! For the first time, I was out there, getting to know and like people and it was a huge boost to my self esteem and perceived value of me and my time etc. I went to bed exhausted but satisfied, you know?

So I‘m qualified for one particular field that I‘m applying and cold emailing to like crazy, but I‘m mot looking for…anything tbh. Native english speaker where english is a desirable skill to have for a lot of jobs…but so is fluently speaking the native language obviously. Working on it.

I only have experience in bar and service work. Nothing secretarial or officey, but I‘m really open to any occupation that‘ll get me out of the flat at this point.

No. 470837

>>469944

Would any waiter with several years of experience and two licenses actually apply to a $2/hr job like that?
Just try and apply anon, employers usually put crazy requirements like those but they are aware of the job market. It's basically just testing your resolution and confidence.

No. 470861

>>470837
the ""licenses" anon is talking about are likely servsafe and TIPS, which most waitstaff jobs require. also the $2 is without tips, most waitstaff makes a few $$ over minwage.

No. 470930

I’m gonna start school in the spring and I only have a vague idea of what I want to do.. I can only go to the community college because I sucked in high school and will probably have to take remedial classes before moving onto something more substantial.

I’ve been thinking I want to do something education based, but don’t know if I want to work with young kids or try to pursue a more community oriented career? Like being available to the general public for education, resources, counseling, etc in a special field. Is it normal to not feel sure?

No. 470933

i have a variety of invisible chronic health problems (mostly mental but not all), one of which qualifies me for FMLA. i'm always using my limit of FMLA callouts and still have mild but constant attendance problems because of it; i'm never late, i just often call out sick. it's been like this my entire life, from when i was in school through every job i've had. i never take advantage of it (like call out just to be a lazy ass, or when i should have gotten pto instead, because im hungover etc). no matter how few hours i work, my work is always done on time, at or above expectations, and completed quickly if needed on-the-fly. actually, i'm notorious for taking on special projects and extra work for others on top of generally being the IT of the office.

i'm very lucky that my boss is extremely understanding (i've been pretty candid though nonspecific with him about my health problems) and we're a small, tight-knit department that is managed in a less "corporate" fashion. i get about a coaching a year because he has to based on our company's points-based system, and he always seems to feel bad that he has to write me up. i don't get any personal complaints or comments from him or my coworkers about my absences. he always encourages us to go home when sick and take time off when needed. PTO is essentially guaranteed, even if unpaid time.

despite that, i still feel guilty and bad whenever i do call out. like many others with invisible illnesses, i know i have a habit of invalidating the severity of my problems and feeling like i should just be able to work through it, which is a separate issue i'm working on. work-wise, how do i extricate this aspect of my work performance from my overall self-confidence? i'm not a "career is my life" person at all, but i'm excruciatingly type-A and it bothers me to have a glaring weakness or character flaw. the tight-knit and small nature of my department also makes me feel like my absences are especially noticeable to others; i don't care what they guess i'm absent for, i just don't like being known for something negative (being absent a lot, being sick).

how do i truly become someone who doesn't let their feelings about their job/work performance bleed into their off-work time? how do i compartmentalize those feelings to keep them on the clock?

No. 470980

>>470830
I live in a country/province where I do not speak the main language. Technically it's bilingual but French is absolutely required by law. Obviously anything service related it out. Are you talented in any of the creative fields at all? I'm in advertising and e-commerce and my English is really appreciated. For any copy I write the company is large enough to have in-house translators to put it through the French lens.

No. 470985

>>470980
fellow quebec anon?

No. 470987

I’m a bit of a NEET but I luckily work for my family business and currently live at home so I don’t really have many bills besides my car insurance. I tried and dropped out of community college, mainly due to mental issues and gave myself a gap year. The business is okay we mainly sell things and to do odd jobs (currently tearing down the inside of an old place to convert into a restaurant). The problem is I’m miserable and want to move before my mid 20’s. I’m also deaf and got passed over by many places when I tried before joining the business. I’m not very passionate about the idea of any career, never really had a plan for my future but I want to get out of this. I’m not even sure if I’m asking for advice or just venting.

No. 470988

I'm boss level pokèmon. I absolutely hate having to do disciplinary action. They mess up and act like a bitch because I have to follow policy.

No. 470992

I’ve got a 50/50 chance I’ve got lymphoma and have just straight up lied about my health on all my job applications lmao. If I get hired and end up actually having cancer am i fucked? Or could I just lie and say it was totally sudden and unexpected?

No. 471011

>>470837
>Playing games and putting shit tests up instead of just being fucking straight forward on what they want
Are American employers a bunch of little girls or something?

This is seriously behavior I expect from petty middle school girls. Not grown ass adults in positions of hiring people.

No. 471040

>>471011
that's only no/low skill jobs. ya gotta weed out the opiod addicts somehow.

No. 471059

>>471040
Most low skill jobs are sought by desperate young adults, if this was the case they sure suck at it because anytime I go shopping or dining most the employees are lazy ghetto fucks, and the hard-working overachieving type young adults who don't have a college degree yet are the ones struggling to find work

Back then it was as easy as making a simple resume, printing it out, handing it to different places, some places will hire you on the spot and others will interview you and hire, now most employers play the game of "put in your resume, we'll give you a call if you're a match" while expecting you to call them and not being clear, putting up ridiculous requirements they don't actually need and don't have anything to do with the job but not actually needing those just looking for a person with certain personality traits, the whole "we'll call you back" thing and either never calling or again expecting them to call, thinking employees should want to kill for their shitty position at a clothing store or else they don't want the job enough, not being straightforward with hiring and firing, etc.

It's just difficult and mentally exhausting what so many employers acting this immature just to avoid being straightforward because "muh muh opiod addicts"

No. 471121

>>471059
those kinds of places want unquestioning wageslaves, of course they would pass up ambitious young adults. it's frustrating because you're one of the types they're trying to weed out. they don't want you, they want the type of person who will jump through ridiculous hoops and still want to show up the next day. it's not immature, but a calculated tactic esp if it's some huge corporate chain like Walmart.

people with any sort of ambition are better off picking up a skill and trying the skilled market. could be any skill and doesn't have to be related to your major if you go to uni. the more skills you have (or more valuable) the easier it is.

it seems to me that 99% of low skill college graduates get their first non-retail tier job thru networking. if you don't have a network, get a skill.

and I get it, it sucks to hear when you're just trying to figure out how to survive. but looking back, I wouldn't hire the me with low skill if I also had to consider people with good skills and/or good personalities.

No. 471380

>>470985
Oui! Bonjour/Hi from an American Fag who wanted to flee Trump and is now under the thumb of The Coalition Avenir Québec lol

No. 471394

>>471380
How is Quebec, anon? I’ve always wanted to visit but never got the chance. Are the locals nice?

No. 471419

had an interview for a tour guide position eariler today and i cant stop cringing at myself

they could probably smell my desperation

No. 471736

what's the point in my boss asking colleagues what they'd rather work for christmas/new year if literally no one gets the shifts they ask for? 'we can't give everyone the shifts they want' yeah no shit you literally gave nobody the shifts they wanted that we've all resorted to doing our own shift swaps with each other. ugh.

No. 478508

>>469442
wow that's an awesome story. Good luck. What's your field?

No. 478626

>>478508
thank you anon! i got called into a second interview, but totally bombed the technical test and kinda rambled due to nerves. i'm afraid my anxiety driven rambling made the ceo think i had the wrong impression of what the position entitles. the second interview was 100 times more embarrassing than my application kek.

i doubt i'll get the job, the second interview was really that terrible. on a positive note, this process has been a learning experience. and it's in the IT field!

No. 478760

What kind of degree do you have to get to do medical lab work? And do medical lab work jobs pay well and are they in demand?

No. 478769

>>478626

Great job. Interview practice is always valuable no matter the method or result.

I also prepare my ass off before any interview so I'm barely nervous at all when I get there. I'll spend around 4-8 hours studying, making up my own tests, and most importantly, talking to myself out loud and rehearsing what I want to say to make myself sound cool, and what I think they would really like to hear.

The root of all confidence is competence, and you only get competence through DELIBERATE PRACTICE, by yourself or with others.

What really changed my perspective on interviews was that it's one of the only rare times in your entire life where you're ENCOURAGED to brag about yourself. Unfortunately, this is the same reason why many people don't like the process. Not because they don't want to brag, but because they don't have enough practice bragging lol


Despite that, always remember that IT'S YOUR SHOW, anon! Enjoy it!

Bring "props" (your portfolio information or a tablet, like I do), pick your "costume", tell informative stories related to your work, and crack a joke or two to get them to like you.

They don't like my show? Cool. Either I'm not the right fit for their environment, or I change up my "set" so I can have a better "show" next time.


I was in a psych class in college and my teacher discussed interviews. He said something that permanently influenced my approach to interviews to this day:

Most interviews actually aren't the best way of getting to know an eventual employee. Alot of it is bullshit and formalities.

But, getting them to LIKE you is just as important, if not slightly more important than how skilled you are.


Aside from being chosen for the job, everything else is under YOUR control. In a paradoxical way, that's liberating!


I hope you remember all this for your next time :)

No. 478779

>>478760
Multiple ways, what kind of lab work are you thinking of? Labmonkey or god mode?
They are (for now) and if you're a labmonkey the highest paying trade leveled jobs for obvious reasons, if you're in godmode it pays ok, depends which company actually. Doctor labmonkeys tho…cashcashcash.

No. 478793

>>471419
I used to work as a tour guide for many years and that's normal. They're going to think you were nervous and so on. Just don't be too harsh on yourself.

No. 478814

>>470289
I feel exactly the same. I hate how in interviews you're asked why you want to work there and what drew you to the job. money. money is what drew me to this job. nothing else. I need money to survive. that's the only reason.

No. 478816

>>470367
totally agree

No. 478818

>>470325
>Maybe for certain job positions it makes sense, but for the ones that I've worked at? No.

same

No. 478900

I work retail at the equivalent of about $14.50/h and get anywhere between 28-40 hours a week, which is pretty decent considering I have no real qualifications, but man.

I'm always on my feet and I'm so. fucking. tired. My legs always hurt, my back always hurts, I'm always clenching my jaw to the point where my back teeth have started to move because we have to deal with so much shit from customers. Me and my coworkers are busting our asses while our new manager throws our rota to us one day before the start of the working week and disappears to other stores in the chain for "training" while making almost twice what we make. Our company is like a cult, and I hate so many things about the "culture" they try to foster.

My hours are unpredictable so my social life is non-existent outside of holidays or if I get my two days off in a week together. Am I going to be in work for 7am after finishing at 10pm the night before? Are we going to know what hours we're working Monday on Saturday night? Who knows! I'm missing a halloween party and a friend's hen party this week because they "didn't have anyone else" and because I'm on a contract, I can't swap my shifts.


I know this sounds terrible, but my boyfriend is about to start making an absolute killing and has essentially said that he doesn't want me to ever worry about money… and honestly I'd do it. If I thought I could be financially secure by someone who genuinely WANTS to give me money, I'd do it. Probably not forever, but I'd even love to be able to go back to college and learn to do something I actually like instead of working retail for the rest of my life.
To have a break like that would be magical.

I've been working non-stop since I got through a lot of pretty bad mental health shit and college and I just jumped into the first job I could actually do. College didn't qualify me to do shit and I have no other applicable skills. I always tell people I'm happy with my job because I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I wish I could do something I loved and have enough money to do great things and buy my bf and mom nice things.

No. 478902

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>>478769
oh my god, anon.. thank you so much. seriously, thank you for such a lovely response. i will def memorize all of this! it really warms my heart.

it has been a week since my interview and the ceo dude said that i'd hear from them in about two weeks. i just want to get a response (hopefully a positive one kek), so i can finally relax and focus on other things…..

i will speak it into to existence… i will get this job

No. 478904

>>478814
Can we just admit that most of the questions asked in a lot of interviews are fucking stupid and irrelevant? I think a lot of them are covert psych eval questions instead of being actually relevant to the job.

No. 478915

>>478902

You're welcome.

I also recommend not waiting for his response at all and keep applying to more. You interviewed, but you're not officially hired yet. Another key of having confidence is having options ;)

No. 478917

>>478904

Exactly what I pointed out in >>478769

No. 478927

>>469216
Found an at home job that's flexible, part time, no human interaction and I get paid 10 bucks an hour. I'm so fucking happy right now! I plan on getting a real job once my anxiety isn't as bad and I'm more content with human interaction cause right now I just can't deal with people.

No. 478931

>>478927
Congratulations! I hope it stays stable for you, that sounds really great.

No. 478932

>>478917
>>478904
>>478769
You wouldn't believe how sick people are of this stupid gameshow.
I know you're all still young and trying to put a foot in the door, but call that bullshit out. Say what you really think about it. Keep it real. The older HR staff will gleefully hire you, the younger HR staff will remember you. And you'll help put a stop to this ineffective circus.

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>>478932
Thanks but I want to be hired, not remembered.

"Wow they were cool. I wish we could hire them." lol

So many things in life feel like a gameshow. If that's the case, fuck it. Learn how to win.

Losers complain, but once you learn how to win, you magically start complaining less.

We already know life isn't fair. What are you going to do about it?

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>>478902
Dat rare Tyler tho

No. 479070

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>>478927
>>478931
>>478900

If anyone else wants to look for a job like this, try FlexJobs. For my field I have gotten as far as the phone interview stage, but didn't get a job.

>"Unfortunately we found someone else, but your profile is great! I'm sure someone will be lucky to have you!"


>"Y-you too"




But I like the site. Really informative and generously affordable.

No. 479071

>>479070
if anyone wants to look for a REMOTE job, I mean.

No. 479074

>>478900

I never wanna go back to inconsistent shifts ever again. I would always get 4p-to-close, though. And every single weekend without fail. When I went away to college and had weekends free for the first time in a while, I didn't even know what to do with myself and just channed it up all weekend.

No. 479175

I just sent off an assessment for q company. My brain has been at max cap for two days. Zzzz please invite me for a code review. Then an interview. Please… I hate being a NEET.

No. 479774

I'm worried about maintaining my hobbies with full time work hours and I was wondering if you guys have any practical tips. I have like 5 hobbies I like to do as often as possible that I developed and strengthened when I was working part time, but I'm worried I'll neglect them and fall out of habit if I have a full work schedule. Two of them are related to my field so I'd be fine with them being "built in" to my work day sometimes and not doing them much outside of work, but the other 3 can only be done in my free time. I know that on paper there's more than enough hours in a full time work week to do all kinds of things, but realistically a lot of people lose their dedication and consistency because they're tired and/or distracted by other things. So I was wondering if anyone is actually able to pull off several hobbies and a full time job, ideally in addition to maybe having friends/a bf outside of work lmao.

No. 479775

I do so many interviews but constantly get rejected despite always following up, why? I need a job because I'm on the verge of homelessness I don't care if I'm folding clothes or dealing with Karen's, and nobody offers constructive criticism either so I don't even know what I'm doing wrong

No. 479779

>>479774
My tips depend on your job, I don't know if you've found one yet but if you're currently looking keep these in mind…
>a short commute
People underestimate how much a short commute improves their lives and their happiness levels, travel time takes so much out of your day and adds stress because of traffic etc.
>flexible hours
See if you can adjust your hours to suit your productivity levels. I work 7-3 because I get nothing done in the morning but can do a tonne with a big chunk of time in the afternoon.
>work on your hobbies while at work
If you can get away with it, obviously. Maybe in your lunch break or once you settle in you can use your phone to research or learn things. I do language flashcards in my downtime for example.

Also just in general, unrelated to work but I use spreadsheets and daily/weekly/monthly to do lists so I don't forget or feel comfortable skipping my usual routine.

No. 479786

Recently moved to a new country on a working visa (which made my chances a little more difficult) but…
I just wanted to say. I got rejected from Lush (which really took out of my self esteem because it’s just a basic bitch job selling soap) but I got a job working at a University with a lot of competition for the job.
But of course my self esteem is stuck on the “you failed at Lush”

No. 479798

>>479786
>you failed at Lush
Lmao, don't take it this way anon.
Retail jobs are stupid finicky and the hiring HR aren't exactly bright bulbs. You got a way better job at a Uni while you would've wasted time with Lush.

No. 479805

Small success story time anons. Boy, it's been a roller coaster:
>find out contract for clinic administrative assistant job was ending back in July
>rumors abound that company would extend contracts bc of project incompleteness
>but I couldn't risk it
>spent two months applying on my own with little luck
>super competitive
>one job had 10,000 applicants!
>give up a month before the contract ended and contacted a recruiting agency
>get paired up with this recruiter who negged me the entire interview
>in no uncertain terms told me my degrees meant shit
>kept pointing out that my work history before my admin job was customer service so I should just settle
>she asked what kind of position I'd like
>when I told her she scoffed and replied "Well everyone thinks they can be that! Let me show you the resume of one of my clients who I got a position like that for!"
>left interview with no job placement, hurt self-esteem
>the next week she called me with an "administrative" job that I said I wanted
>super low pay and I'd have to commute 40 minutes one way
>I was desperate
>went to interview with the company
>turns out it's basically a call center job with admin duties tacked on for the same mediocre pay
>fear the worst and I'll have to accept it cause I had no other offers
>then suddenly
>get an offer from a different, nicer recruiting company for a pharmaceutical administrative assistant
>land the offer right away
>it pays more and is only a 15 minute commute
>the office is great, nice people and flexible hours with a great first shift and weekends off
>immediate sense of dignity and respect
>don't have to deal with customers ever again
>the work is easy too
>politely told the other recruiter agency to piss off
>"W-wait what's the other recruiter's offer?!"
>make up some bullshit figure
>"S-s-so if we got our client to pay you a dollar more than that rate, you'd do it?"
>yes
>never heard back from them lmao

I'm sure that recruiter was pissed because she lost out on commission from me.
Then of course my old job did wind up extending contracts, a WEEK before they were set to expire.
I'm just glad I made it and don't have to deal with either of that bullshit any longer.

No. 479808

>>479786
Lush gets 20 applicants, they can hire one. Don't beat yourself up for not being that ONE.

Funnily enough, I'm in the same situation as you with a university job with benefits but rejected from Mcdonalds lol

No. 479839

>>479774
>>479774

you're just gonna have to drop some and get over it. Having a full time job + commute reduces your time dramatically. There may be more days than you think where you come from work and don't wanna do shit. Keeping an 8 hour per night sleep schedule EVERY DAY will help with this much more than you realize.

No. 479844

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No. 479846

>>479774
Literally just start half-assing your hobbies. Don't drop them because that sucks but you can't engross yourself in them anymore unfortunately
Adult life just SUCKS

No. 479884

>>479786
As someone who used to work for Lush, seriously anon, don't let it weigh on you. Who gets hired really, really, REALLY can be such a crapshoot. It says nothing about you.

No. 479947

Someone contacted me about a job on Indeed but the job requires 6 months experience in a field that I only have 2 months experience in. My resume clearly states my experience, so its annoying/frustrating that they would contact me about it.

No. 479951

autism but im planning on searching/getting my first job after being a neet. Ive got some retail places nearby i can ably to but im extremely nervous about the interview when it comes, primarily because its gonna probably be in french (in live in Quebec) my my french sucks and i cant speak it without slurring or stuttering. I also dont know what type of responses to give to generic questions since I cant really think of any quality or skills I have.

No. 479954

>>479947
It's because it doesn't matter that much you dumbass. Sometimes they'll write they require experience but still get someone who doesn't.

No. 479955

>>479947
Seriously apply anyway.

It's said that men apply for jobs that they don't meet all the requirements for, and women only apply for jobs where they do meet all the requirements.

You do not need to meet all the requirements of a job to get it. I will apply to any and every job where I meet at least 60% of the qualifications, and I have gotten a few of them.

Additionally, I recommend writing an awesome cover letter to go along with jobs that you do not have all the qualifications for. I've gotten a few callbacks based on my cover letter alone.

I have a generic one that I will tweak for each job.

No. 479960

>>479947
Apply! You're given the opportunity, do it anyway. I apply to any job that I know I'm qualified for despite it asking for random requirements or preferences. Most of the stuff asking for years or months of previous experience doesn't really mean shit. There WILL be someone who's worked 2 years in the same field as you probably knows as much as someone who's worked there for 2 weeks. Also, most of the time after a few weeks, you just get comfortable knowing how your specific place works. I've applied to places that have ~preferred~ college degrees and I have none, only a year of college experience, and still have gotten an interview. As long as you have some experience, definitely apply. Don't underestimate yourself, anon!

Honestly I think having interviews should be seen in a more relaxed view. I've had plenty of interviews where I walked in and the interviewer was basically just setting me up for the job. It didn't even feel like an interview, but more like a rundown of what goes on during each day and they ask me if I'm comfortable doing it and what day I'd be able to come in for orientation. Maybe it's easier for me because the last few positions I've been hired on for are overnights lol.

No. 479961

this is a completely useless and dumb post, but my company's vice president has a name that sounds like a name a Skyrim character would have, and I find that fucking hilarious

No. 479973

>>479955
Could you copy paste it and remove the details anon? I suck at writing cover letters and don't know what a good one looks like

No. 479974

>>479972
You noticed lolcow makes no money right? There are no ads, products, or paid subsriptions. And nobody would pay if there were.

No. 479975

>>479972
Also I hate that graffiti logo morph, so misogynistic especially when I visit the site and you're writing about people like Traci Hines who is not a hoe by any definition

No. 479976

>>479975
The Taylor one is a direct copy paste from the lolcow OP!

Definitely ditch this website Anon. One lolcow is enough.

No. 479979

>>479974
Isnt there a patreon?

No. 479994

>>479955
>It's said that men apply for jobs that they don't meet all the requirements for, and women only apply for jobs where they do meet all the requirements.

Yep. But honestly this is simply what I learned to do from multiple career blogs and forums.

I have a theory that there has been a trend of inflated job postings over the years, therefore there's no way anyone is 100% what the job posting is asking for. It's just their ideal preferences for a candidate. This really should be common knowledge by now.

No. 479995

>>479973
plenty of sites to help you out. However I'd recommend that you visit freelancetowin.com and look up how to write proposals. I now consider this method even better than regular boring cover letters. If I ever write one again I'm writing it this way.

No. 479998

>>479955

>Additionally, I recommend writing an awesome cover letter to go along with jobs that you do not have all the qualifications for. I've gotten a few callbacks based on my cover letter alone.


Exactly. >>479995

No. 480054

>>479974

Plan is to make money through ads.

No. 480055

>>479974

Plan is to make money through ads.

No. 480056

>>479974

Plan is to make money through ads.

No. 480138

>>479062
You CAN get hired for being you, instead of being hired for performing a clown routine.

Guess what job will make you happier?

No. 480252

>>469946
this is legit so true. My aunt has no complete university degree but managed to get a job at the european parliament through networking.

I'm currently getting a teaching degree but a part of me just wants to quit it all and ride on my aunts coattails.

No. 480441

do you farmers have a preferred job hunting service, like snag, glassdoor, indeed, craigslist etc? do you have a favorite, or one you avoid, and why?

No. 480445

>>480441
Avoid: indeed & craigslist
Why: Craigslist is too scammy - never had a promising lead end up to be more than a scam to get my info. Indeed is just not user friendly, kind of a redirect site that feels like an endless loop of signing up for different job hunting sites.
Use: zip recruiter, Glassdoor, or go to the employers site directly.

Take this all with a grain of salt tho because I haven’t had the pleasure of job hunting for a while. Also, my employer uses zip recruiter to hire, but I haven’t used it personally.

No. 480449

i work making an app for a business communication service. it's okay. really good money. i think office culture is fun however having to deal with the same people everyday is a little annoying. i love all my employees and there isn't drama. i just am rather secluded.

im just waiting for my boyfriend to finish getting his masters so he can find a job. i really have no interest in pursing a career.

school is fun, i am currently getting a masters. i think i just like to keep myself busy.

No. 480450

>>480445
Indeed is definitely a redirect site, but pretty helpful if you have the mobile app, there's a quick apply option that sends your resume to the employer.

No. 480451

>>480449
thank you and yeah I never actually use craigslist anyway, either I'm never qualified for the jobs posted or the job just seems shady, but I know some people use it still. I use these services more to see who is hiring.

No. 480563

I'm so fucking tired

I'm surrounded by mediocre males who are not as skilled as me but still get more recognition.
It's so frustrating that as a woman I always have to give 110% to survive the competition.

I got a promotion I wanted but had to fight for it with a guy who is The Nice Guy that everyone likes but who doesn't have my experience and WHO HIMSELF KNEW I WAS MORE QUALIFIED.
I'm so sick of all the guys who think they are better than me.

It's so exhausting to think that this is what I'm going to do next 40 years: fight for the right to exist in the academic world.
What's the point?

No. 480633

>>479974

Plan is to make money through ads.

No. 480819

>>479973
I recommend what >>479995 said, but here is a cover letter that I wrote two years ago for a hair color company. I got an interview, and was offered the job but turned it down for another one. I will say that I remember their ad being really quirky, so I tailored my cover letter to it. So do know what job/industry you are applying to. For some jobs this cover letter would be a hard pass.

Dear Hiring Manager,

Fantasy, excitement, and ease of maintaining a creative color is what I see in XXXX, and is why I’m excited to apply for the Client Services Representative position! With my previous customer service experience, I have learned to engage customers by asking questions, listening to their needs, suggesting products, and helping them the best I can. Using these skills, I believe that I can help the XXXX team make the customer experience a magical one!

As I built relationships with customers as a XXXX at XXXX, I realized that not every dog, customer, or situation was the same, so I would need to come up with creative solutions. For example, a dog may be wiggly for their face. And I would then try singing, or comforting them, only to find that a dab of peanut butter on the nose was the solution!

Similarly, at XXXX, I also used my problem-solving skills to help customers. Often I would speak with customers who were stressed, and I empathized with them and ensured them that I was there to help.

Overall, I believe great customer service is a service that meets the customer's needs, while being friendly, and I wish to work with the XXXX team to provide that for their clients. I am excited for this opportunity and look forward to hearing from you.

No. 480822

>>480819
Another one from a few years ago that got me an interview with no references even though they requested it upfront. I got another job and ended up declining the interview. I hope these help someone:

Dear XXXX Hiring Manager,

I was excited to see a part time Sales and Visual Merchandising position at XXXX. I know that XXXX is known for high quality products, and a great atmosphere. I would like to be apart of the team that provides that.

Currently, I am a full time college student at XXXX and I am majoring in XXXX. At my previous jobs I have learned customer service techniques such as engaging the customers by asking questions, listening to their needs, suggesting products, and helping them the best I can.

I have also always believed that if customers have a clean and visually appealing environment, they will be happier in the long run. When I worked at XXXX and XXXX, I worked hard to make sure things were as clean and neat as I could make them. I often got compliments from guests that ranged from, "This is the cleanest bathroom I've ever been in." to " It is so clean, it doesn't look like you groom dogs here.". So, I do take pride in maintaining the spaces I work in; and along with the customer service skills I've learned, I think I would be a great fit for this position and XXXX team.

For my current school schedule I have classes in the morning and afternoon. My last class ends at 1:50 PM, so I would be able to work anytime after that.

I look forward to speaking to you and thank you for considering my application.

No. 480831

>>480819
>>480822
Many thanks.

You're an angel.

No. 481570

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I'm currently a receptionist at a foreign news company in my country. By the grace of whatever higher being, I was able to land this position after quitting my shitty retail job that I was suffering massive burnout from. I literally just wanted any sort of fucking office job that would give me stable hours, I didn't care for what company or what field. I'm lucky that our branch is very small and slow, so I spend most of my time on here or browsing through random stuff on the internet (no one cares as long as I answer the phone lol not that it rings more than like 3 times a day). It's only a temp position and only pays minimum wage but I accepted it because I needed office experience on my resume.

Currently, the news department is hiring… or they've been hiring for months but the head of the department hasn't found anyone he likes. I'm sort of close with some of my coworkers here and one of them told me about it and sent me the job posting, trying to see if I would be interested or not. I mean, I guess it would be nice to not have to worry and deal with job hunting when my time here is about to end, plus the commute is ultra convenient, and I pretty much know everyone who works here already. The downsides are it's the news department, which means sacrificing my soul to the news gods and never leaving the building. Also, I told myself months ago that I wouldn't want to stay because I didn't want to work this specific sort of company because of cultural differences and struggles (last company was from the same country and had the same cultural differences/standards that led me to burnout).

I don't even know if the head of the department would even consider hiring me because I have zero experience in news. I feel like I'm just sort of stuck. When I left my retail job, I told myself that I don't really care what company or what field I end up working in, as long as it would afford me stable hours so that I could come back and relax with my family and friends, but the news position would be the exact/near exact opposite of it lol. What do you think farmers? Is it worth trying for? Should I bother or should I just job hunt for a different position (mostly would be looking for admin assistant positions)

No. 481788

>>481570
if you don't really want it then don't do it. Leave it for someone who is really dedicated to do their best at it. That clearly isn't you.

No. 481789

>>481570
100% do it anon! Far more pros than cons! Whatever you decide, don't base your decision on the fact you're not sure you'd even be considered, you'll never get it if you decide on beforehand you won't get it.

No. 481797

>>481789
dumbass advice. news jobs are grueling hours and high pace and high stress. that's 100% the opposite of what anon wants. if retail burned her out, news will destroy her.

anon, figure out what you actually want and want to do (tbh you should have been doing this at your temp job). job seeking is so much easier when you have a clear plan or vision. taking anything and everything is unsustainable. you don't need a high ambition career plan, but unfocused searching just means you miss a bunch of opportunities & also basically start from the bottom at almost anyplace you end up.

No. 481831

Need to rant a bit. About two months ago, a coworker of mine was promoted manager. At first, I was happy for her because she's a great seller, but her behavior changed totally. She became very condescending towards regular employees (which other managers don't do), always spying on us to check if we follow the planning, giving orders while not really helping… She became particularly contemptful towards female employees, as if she views us as inferior because we didn't get a promotion. While being a great seller, she's not that good at the other positions (has no idea how the stock works, never went to any other store of the brand, bad at repairing products…), it's obvious she was promoted because of favoritism. She acts all cool with the other manager staff, so complaining would not be taken seriously. What pisses me off greatly is that before, she was super nice and friendly, I think she just showed her true colors with her new position (I should have guessed though, she's a huge Beyoncé fan).

Hopefully I'll get a new job in the near future finally related to my studies, I'm getting tired of all the coworkers I don't like.

No. 481840

>>481797
>>481797

if they're really serious about finding a good candidate, they'll see that she doesn't have what it takes and filter her out through the interview process.

No. 481841

>>481831
>Hopefully I'll get a new job in the near future finally related to my studies, I'm getting tired of all the coworkers I don't like.

Should we tell her?(Emoji)

No. 482360

>>481788
>>481789
>>481797
>>481840
Thank you for your input anons!

I'm still trying to think it over. It might be too naive/optimistic of me to assume that I might actually like it in the end or grow into it, but I'm still relatively fresh out of college and treating it one of baby's first real jobs. The job posting mostly described going through local news and finding stuff that local viewers back in my company's home country might like to know about, and I heard that they go to the UN quite often. It doesn't sound too crazy, but then again I imagine bigger US news corporations to be people running about chasing after the newest stories and whatnot. I'm going to try and speak with some of the people who work in the department if I get the chance!

I figure >>481840 does have a good point. They won't take me if they don't like me, and I won't have any hard feelings over it. They're desperate to fill in the position, but even of the few people I've seen called in for interviews, I haven't seen any of them hired, so they aren't willing to settle. At least I'll be able to leave/job hunt without thinking 'what if' if I get rejected by them. My coworker is encouraging me to do it for just a year to test it out.

No. 483180

Oops. I was despairing so much I didn't see a newer thread was available.
Rant.
I'm going nuts. It's been 12 months since I've last done something full time. I can pretend it's not so humiliating by saying I graduated this July (technically), but I've been doing nothing since I relocated here with my bf. When I research I see expats taking 1+ years to find a job, and I haven't even landed an initial interview. I'd do anything at this point. Back to customer service, factory work, whatever. But since I don't speak the language the minimum wage easily obtainable jobs aren't within my reach.

It'll be christmas soon and I'll have to carefully and awkwardly explain over and over why I'm not employed yet, and it just sounds like a bunch of excuses. My friends back in my home country think I've just decided to stay unemployed and leech off my bf. They don't say it, but their questions and comments are becoming more pointed in that tone that implies "but are you actually trying though?". It's as if they haven't known me to be a fiercely independent person my whole life, and just think I've happily taken on this tradwife role. And they laugh about how I'm becoming a trophy gf, as if I don't very genuinely feel like I have no purpose and am a useless sack of shit for not contributing and having no objective purpose, day to day.

I feel judged. Judged when I need meds/a doctor and my bf pays, not benefitting him in any way. Just money lost for him. I feel judged by my and his family, and my friends. I feel incompetent because honestly, why, with quite a qualified and specific degree to an industry with lots of entry positions, has there not been a modicum of interest? Is there sloppiness in my CV? I've revised it plenty. Is there something wrong with me alone? Do I just come off as a child/stupid in every way?

I'll be starting an intensive language course soon, so at least I might be able to take the minimum wage jobs at some point. But I have 3 months until my job seeker permit runs out, I'm kicked out the country and will subsequently break up.

No. 483231

Women who work super hard at a career are pathetic. They are usually too ugly physically and personality-wise to get a nice bf. Enjoy being wageslaves.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 483290

>>483180
Hey anon, I'm in your boyfriends exact shoes at the moment. With gender roles reversed. My boyfriend is English and hasn't had a job in 1.5 years (only landing a few interviews).

I have to be honest, I genuinely don't think people judge you as hard as you think they do. This is shame and guilt that is making you feel this way. It's clear to me that you seek independence and you value you capabilities as a person. And this "failure" is making you question it.

I don't blame my boyfriend. It's hard for people speaking the language to get jobs, but 10x harder for foreigners. Even with qualifications and education.

And my friends have asked him similar questions and teased him about me being his "sugarmomma" but they don't genuinely think he is using me for that.

I would love to say don't be so hard on yourself and you would magically feel better but being unemployed for a long period of time is soul crushing.

I'm sure the language lessons will help you out! And if you need to occupy yourself I'd sign up for volunteer work like at short movie festivals or charities where English is acceptable. This will keep you on your feet while you look for jobs and maybe even land you a temporary contract to extend your permit with.

Good luck!

No. 483338

>>483231
Straight chicks are wild

No. 483342

>>483338
pretty sure that was a scrot

No. 483565

Do some euroanons know some jobs that pay really well and are easy to get into? Is welding still sought after?
I would be willing to go through a few months of education and training to get a certificate that would allow me to get a job that pays above the average even if it's bad for health or physically taxing.
I also hope that being a woman, I won't get discriminated against. I've heard of women getting into welding so it shouldn't be a problem, right?

No. 483710

i got another email from my old job asking if i'd like my position back. it was a pretty emotionally taxing job, but it was probably my favorite work environment ever. no matter how stressful the job was, the actual vibe of the office was amazing and i loved the people i worked with. most of my old co-workers are still there and i'd be lying if i said i didn't want to work with them again.

but i already have something of a job if you count writing as a job. i'm already struggling to meet deadlines because i'm fundamentally lazy (and also v depressed), so adding a structured, day-to-day job to the mix might be a bad idea. i could use the money, though, and i could also use the change in scenery. i rarely ever leave my house these days, so this job could be a good reason for me to get out and see the sunlight and shit.

i don't know what to do.

No. 483715

>>483565
Welders, carpenters, plumbers, electricians all get paid extremely well where I lived around Europe.
Also amongst people who get a crazy salary are garbage collectors and communal sanitation workers (Street washers) but for obvious reasons not many want to do that job. Also street washers work at night and early morning so that also sucks.

My friend worked as a garbage collector for two years and he says you can make stupid amounts of money for not that much work.

No. 483750

>>483565
Tradesmen get well paid once they're fully qualified. The time that takes depends on the trade. In the UK an apprentice wage is £3.90 an hour for the first year. The minimum wage for a normal job is £8.21.

No. 483758

>>483715
Even in my third world hellhole those jobs are well valued and you would make more than someone with a degree and can even charge in $ cash rather than our devalued local coin.

Theres not always fancy jobs in tech and design and when they are you take whatever shit wage they offer so they don`t hire any of the the thousand over educated tryhards applying for the same position, but theres always a ton of people with broken ACS and with their gasoline tanks leaking so mechanics, plumbers, refrigerator technicians, welders they always do just fine, specially if you have good word of mouth on a wealthy neighborhood or in the corporate sector or have some friends with the many union mafias.

No. 483893

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I'm shitting my pants a little, since I need to give out references to get my offer. I don't mind doing it but man, I asked one of my old managers from an intership for a reference over Linkedin… but has only read my message for him with no reply. One of my other references hasn't read my message. It's been about 11 hours. I'm definitely panicking but it's slightly worrying since I really, really want this job.

No. 483915

>>483893
Good luck anon

No. 483945

>>483710
Take it, anon. It's financial security for your writing. Unless your writing pays for itself.

No. 483947

>>483893
>It's been about 11 hours
Anon, that's nothing, especially over the weekend. I'm sure they'll write you back monday/tuesday.

No. 484058

I'm right now in a call center in a third world country,my goal is too animate and create animated tv shows,I have a plethora of ideas, already drawed the main characters
But I can't seem to start at fucking no where.

No. 484121

>>483180

Hey this person here, should I take this job? I've been unemployed nearly a year now and this is a ~2 month position doing some work behind the scenes of a clothes shop

Pros:
>yay somebody wants me!
>actually gaining money for once
>financial cushion will help no matter what happens
>fucking doing something with a purpose
>the migration office may look upon me favourably and grant me an extension on my permit due to having been employed (the info I received was confusing. It won't change my current permit at all but it may possibly help me in my case applying for a different kind of permit)
>could build a small social network other than my bf
>might be easier to get relevant work if I've worked in the country before

Cons:
>would have to cancel the language classes I had planned and would slow down progress significantly or stop it for that time
>relevant job search may slow down
>may prevent me from attending interviews for graduate jobs (unlikely)
>will have to cancel my trip to see mom's side of the family for christmas
>bf booked his flights to his home country so I'd spend christmas day alone in our flat

It's the christmas thing that gets me the most. Even the hypothetical of spending my christmas alone in a foreign country with no friends is getting me down. If I could get 24-26th off and blow a few hundred more euros getting a new flight I'd be much more on board with it. I thought this christmas would be magical, my cousin had a baby (first of the newest generation) that I wanted to spoil this year, and I convinced my mom to come with only for me to maybe pull out and say "oh, sorry not coming!".


>>483290
thank you, that was an uplifting reply! Stuck now though. I did those exact things! Volunteered at an arts festival and for an environmental group, it really did help.

No. 484154

>>484121
I understand your cons but it truly appears that taking on the job would be better for you at this time. It sucks that it lines up with other stuff going on for you family wise, but it's not like they're going to go away suddenly, same with your language classes. You'll have many christmases to make magical in the future. Getting recent work history on your resume is invaluable and for someone in your position I don't think it's a good idea to pass it up. Your fam will understand.

No. 484185

How important is it to call after applying online to a shitty retail job? Like just for peon jobs at Walmart, Home Depot, that kinda thing. I have customer service experience and it's soul crushing applying to these places, but I don't know what other option I have. (Sorry to whine)

No. 484522

>>484154
Thanks for the reasoning, it helped me continue prepping for it when I really didn't want to, and my bf said he'd rebook his flights to spend christmas eve and christmas with me, if it comes to it! So…kinda win? And I'll spoil my baby niece with all that cash I earned later in the year (if I get it).

No. 485924

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Today I went in fully prepped for interview 2. I was so nervous and had been studying all night.

As soon as we sat down:
"Anon, we want to offer you the job."

I'm so fucking happy.

My first non-shitty job working at a big university with people who actually have degrees (while I do not) and are kind and passionate.

And an actual salary I can live on.

No. 485938

>>485924
Congrats, anon!

No. 485940

>>485924
Congrats!!!

No. 485944

I work as a translator from home and I want to die everyday, I hate my job so much…can't stand the monotony. but I am unsure what to switch to, I don't really have marketable skills. I can fuck around in Photoshop and Illustrator but I'm not creative enough to be a graphic designer. I know how to build a static website but that's also pretty useless. Feeling lost. Advice?

No. 485947

I'm finishing up a doctorate degree in a field that I've realized I don't particularly care for. Tbh I don't even know why I went into healthcare since I'm always so drained after spending more than a few hours around people.

I think the biggest problem I have with my field is that so many people consider it their dream job and their lives revolve around it. I don't want to listen to an occupational therapy podcast while I drive to work for my 10 hour day as an occupational therapist and then spend my weekends at continuing ed classes. I talked to a new hire and another student at my clinical rotation and all three of us said that if we had to do it all over again we wouldn't choose OT, which seems pretty damning. They really market it as a low stress and fulfilling field but that's a lie. I've had no work-life balance over the past 3 months and I thought about dropping out of school at least 10 times

Any advice for alternative healthcare careers? I want to keep up my clinical skills but there is no fucking way that I will ever do 10 straight hours of patient care ever again

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>>469670
It’s been a month and still nothing. I’m reapplying to the same companies that have rejected me twice before because it’s all that’s available. New Years funeral ftw

No. 485963

>>485960
honestly, the end of the year is not the best time for job searching…things going to speed up in January and February when hr gets new hiring budgets. hang in there!!

No. 486137

>>485938
>>485940
Thank you!

>>485944
I'm the anon above who got hired at a university.

The skills that got me hired were being able to create static websites (limited to html css) and explaining why that would make me suitable for a position as pedagogic system administrator.

You can do anything you set your mind to, anon

>>485924
Side note:
I want to mention I was unemployed 7 months before I landed 2 jobs at the end of the year. I didn't even get a response back from 99% of all my applications.! I was ready to give up.

No. 486262

So, I was the anon that asked for welding before. There's a free program to get you qualified where I live because welders are in high demand but when I called, the person told me that they won't stop me from signing up but that it's a very difficult job for men, let alone women and they wouldn't recommend it.
It just sucks. It really does.

No. 486278

>>486262
Everything is hard.

I say go for it! Worst thing that happens is you give up. Maybe you love it - maybe the person you called is a pussy - maybe it's totally normal job once you get used to it.

No. 486279

>>486262
that's unfortunate but i think it's probably for the best. it's dangerous and imagine all of the fumes you'd be breathing in… lot of occupational hazards. there are other trades that i think would be less dangerous to your health.

No. 486283

>>486262
Bullshit. I'm an electrician (Canada) and I've seen plenty of female welders on jobsites.

Sign up anyways. This person is being super unprofessional by discouraging you.

No. 486304

>>486262
prove that motherfucker wrong. i have a good female friend who is a welder. cut his dick off and weld it back on

No. 486381

>>486304
>>486283
>>486279
>>486278
Thank you anons for both your support and concerns! It means a lot. I'm going to see if I can still sign up. I did research online and it's nothing like hard construction work. It is physical to a degree but far from being an obstacle just because someone is a woman, so it did catch me off guard when I was told that.
Thank you once again. I would really hate it if I missed this opportunity.

No. 486498

does anyone else ever get extreme anxiety just APPLYING for jobs? like even if you know there's like 0.001% chance of them calling you back? I feel like such a weak piece of shit.

No. 486509

>>486262
Let me warn you of this, it WILL ruin your eyesight. I come from a state where the main money-making jobs are welding and oil field stuff. Every guy I've ever known that's a welder has told me they're trying to make a lot of money quickly so they can move up to inspections or retire early before they go blind. It's not the kind of job you can just keep doing for a long time. If you still want to go for it, save as much money as possible.

No. 486510

>>486381
Samefag, also, it's very common for men to hire their wives as welder helpers, so it's not like there aren't any women in the industry if that's discouraging to you.

No. 486622

>>486381
I wish I had seen this earlier because I know two women who were welders. One of my coworkers is in her sixties and she used to do welding on ships, until she had kids and wanted a closer job to home. And then I worked with another girl who left to do welding, she said they trained her and the pay was nearly double what she used to have. I think she got busted for weed though because the company is very stringent about that.

No. 486748

>>480138
Whatever raises my odds of getting paid, I'll do it as long as it's reasonable and not straight up lying. It's not just about being qualified, it's "will they fit in with us?" "Can I imagine myself working with this person every day?" "Will they be good on a team or will they push everyone away?" Not a hiring manager but that's just my opinion.

No. 486816

>>486498
I'm not sure that counts as anxiety but I was so stressed from job hunting, just looking for job offers online and sending applications as well as going to just one interview that my psoriasis got pretty bad even though it was barely visible before that. I stopped looking for a job for 2 months now because I plan on just leaving the country for a year and it got a bit better, my rashes are a bit less visible and they're not burning anymore. That's just how bad it was.

No. 487143

I am handing my resignation letter today. It's over a month's notice. My last day will be 12/22. I feel so guilty!!! Tell me to calm down! The position I'm in is low-tier HR and its basically like a call center with like 8 older ladies. I hate it a lot and my boyfriend said he will help me out if I go back to school. I have been here for less than a year and the other ladies have been here since like '01. I'm 27 and I feel like this is a great opportunity for me. I never had the opportunity to study full time just because of family and bills/ unpaid internships. I am technically a senior at school. Please tell me to calm down or am i pulling a jerk move?

(I am so sorry i bumped the old thread. I'm so nervous )

No. 487406

>>487143
Is this your first job? Don't be surprised if they make you leave as soon as the moment you hand in your resignation. You're not as irreplaceable as you think you are. Especially being a call center person.

So leave. Leave sooner. Based on what you've shared, no one cares anyway.

No. 487409

>>487406
>>487143
… And you might as well use the extra time to bang your bf and prepare for the Spring semester.

No. 487680

I just applied for a TSA position at the airport. I don't even want that job, I just applied for the hell of it, but now I'm having anxiety thinking about what if they actually call me back lmao. I know they won't though.

No. 487702

>>487680
Just thank them for the call and say you've just heard back from some other place and accepted an offer so you're unavailable

No. 487738

I am so annoyed and anxious right now. I graduated this summer from art school and almost immediately landed a freelance job from august till october, in march next year I will have another 10 month freelance job, so now I have like 3 months completely to myself and everyone in the family starts reeeing and bothering me instead of minding their own goddamn business.
"You need to get a job anon! Three months is a long time!! You gonma sit at home and do nothing all day?" No, I was planning to work on my portfolio and build my social media because I actually have time for that now. But to please them I got a little part time job at a post office and guess what? I got fired after two weeks because my autistic ass was too slow. So now I defenitely know that I should just stay at home this winter and do whatever I want. I just wish my family could understand that I'm already doing way better than the average art school graduate in my country and leave me the hell alone.

No. 487829

I’m making big moves this next year towards my dream job but god I’m so nervous about the entire process. It’s a male dominated field (like I might never work directly with another woman in my whole career) and I will have to bust my ass just to be seen as equal.. Trying to maintain my confidence/motivation is so hard sometimes, how do y’all do it?

No. 488397

After working jobs that involve helping people over the last decade and only getting stress, depression, and poor pay as a result, I am looking for a job where I can just work from home and not have to take the brunt of angry customers/people anymore. But all of my searching comes up dry.

Thinking of going back to school but other than programming, I can't figure out what would be best to study for this kind of job.

No. 488451

>>488397
Flexjobs.com

No. 489453

>>486748
>>480138
>>479062
>>478932


https://biginterview.com/blog/2014/02/what-is-your-greatest-weakness.html

This question is another reason why you can't just walk in, say whatever "feels right to you :))))) #FuckCapitalism", and expect a red carpet to roll to your feet. Real life isn't a Mary-Sue fanfic.

You have to say what will most likely get you hired. This will vary by position, but the overall principle is the same.


It's a game.

Accept the game.

Learn the game.

Practice the game.

Play the game.

Win the game.

No. 490354

I'm looking for jobs through a temp website and a lot of listings have a "one click apply!" button, but then in the description also say "email your resume to ABC@XYZ!" Should I do both or just e-mail my resume to this person? What should I even write in the body of the email, like a very condensed cover letter for the position, a small paragraph introducing myself, or just a one liner "Hi my name is XX and I'm interested in XX, here's my resume!"?

My contract at my current company ends in Feb, is applying now too early or a decent time to start applying?

No. 490381

>>487143
I personally wouldn’t be completely financially dependent on a man I’m not married to. If he changes his mind or you two break up, you’re screwed

No. 490424

>>490354
You can email them too, just say "Hello, my name is xxx I have just finished completing the application for x-position posted on xwebsitex.com and I noticed it said to send a resume to your email as well. If you need anymore information or questions please let me know, thank you!"
Usually that gets them interested.

No. 490652

>>490424
Thank you so much anon!

No. 490659

>>488524

OK, this is me in the vent thread just catching up to the concept of networking and not liking the idea at all. I'm socially incompetent and tbh also isolated since I live with my boyfriend who does have a job.

Anyway, networking is the way to go, and I received the email to say that the networking event I signed for has a place opened up and it's TOMORROW. I don't want to mess this up. What's acceptable wear? Can I just go up to people and start talking to them? won't they lose interest when they realise I have no job I could offer them? Do I have to have a super clear goal of what I want or just say I'm looking to go into X industry? Should I present a very specific skillset? Will I hand out my linkedin?

And how can I hide my disdain for the whole thing? Free food though, which is nice.

No. 490743

I applied for a job at a call center and got a call back the today, but I'm having some reservations. I've heard horrible things about working in offices and I'm not sure if I'm mentally equipped to handle it, but my job now pays shit and I need to start earning some adult money so my fiance and I can move out of his parents house. Also, in dire need of health benefits. Do any anons have call center experience or advice??

No. 490745

>>490743
it's a lot easier when you start. you'll realize soon that your peers and supervisors don't actually care about anything and doing the bare minimum there will be received as you going above and beyond.

No. 490811

>>490659
>How can I hide my disdain for the whole thing?

Do you like having money? If so then you better find a way to deal with it. Just focus on the money.

No. 490861

My manager told me I'm expecting a nice raise at the beginning of the year due to my supervisor praising me not even a month into working there. I've only been at my site for half a year and I'm gonna be making as much as my coworkers who've been here for 4 years. I'll be making a living wage finally! I've been a poorfag all my life so this is such a great feeling.

No. 490863

Slight rant, but I hate how many companies basically force you to be a part of their "work culture." Tech companies are the worst with this. Even if they're not technically mandatory, you're basically a social pariah if you don't want to attend boring work parties where everyone just gets shitfaced.

No. 490864

>>490863
I fucking hate that too. I have a friend who works in tech and basically any time he's out, it's with his coworkers. Like, does a personal life truly exist in these fields?
I remember going on vacation in a larger city and hearing people at multiple shops saying they HATED workers from Amazon coming into their stores, calling them Amazombies because they're nonstop talking about work.

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No. 490878

>>490743
Make sure you solidify the mindset that when someone's acting shitty towards you they've had a bad time of it and have poor coping skills and take it out on you. Don't take personal responsibility for their feelings. Otherwise it can be very emotionally draining. Quite often I'd see girls running to the bathroom crying, and I'd say it's not worth it if you think it'll get to you like that.

But then again I was CS at a toy company around christmas, so emotions generally ran high and sometimes I could either "make" or "break" their kids christmas. What is it you'd be doing?

No. 490927

>>490864
>any time he's out, it's with his coworkers. Like, does a personal life truly exist in these fields?

most of these people barely have friends outside of their job. it was described to me as a bunch of people who relocate to some tech hub, meet their coworkers who have also relocated alone and they just stick together instead of going through the process of making non-work friends in a new city where you don't know anyone. coupled with the fact that many are low-key spergs who could have work/life separation if they wanted to but their job topics are also their hobbies/special interests, etc. and the other fact that these companies love hiring fanboys bc it makes them easier to exploit into doing more work.

like, these are all nerds who have issues with social skills, probably have some hangups about normies, and want to make other nerd friends to sperg with. 99% of the time they'll find this in their coworkers.

short answer, yes a personal life is achievable, most of these people just don't want one.

t. tech adjacent and continuously amazed by how these people live

No. 491273

>>490927
My main issue is that even if it's not really your thing, you're still expected to attend team building events/after hours work parties, and some companies do these weekly. If you don't look like you're a "team player" excited to hang out at a bar with your co-workers for 3-5 hours on a Friday night, it can actually affect your chances of getting promoted, or get you fired for not "fitting in with the culture."

There's no reason you can't enjoy your work or your co-workers, but being obligated to hang out with people on your off time or else your job could be in jeopardy is inherently unfair and should be the same as your employer asking you to work off the clock.

No. 491365

Is it possible to get non call center office type job without experience or education? My only experience is in retail settings. I don't care if its high paying either, minimum wage is fine.

No. 491389

I have a job interview on Monday that might just be a 'life-changing' job, as cringe as that sounds.
I'm so nervous and I just don't know how to prepare for the interview or the test they have for me.

No. 491423

>>491389

What's the test, anon?

No. 491424

>>488451
Is flexjobs worth the price? I want a part-time job and have advanced skills in very specific areas but if it's going to take months to find something then ehh I don't see this being worth it

Basically how is this site not scammy

No. 491438

>>491365
I'm in your position (no prior office experience, but do have a bachelors) and got my current (temp) office job as a receptionist. It's possible, but it's a whole lot of luck. I scored a handful of interviews but was ultimately passed over, and a recruiter actually reached out to me about my current position. I hope that you'll find a good job soon anon.

No. 491439

>>491389
Not sure if this will help you, but I always like to make a little review sheet for myself. I google up the most asked/typical interview questions and write down bullet points that I would like to say if that hiring manager asked me those questions. I don't write out full answers because I don't memorize things very well and don't want to sound like a robot, so at least remembering what points I want to touch upon helps. If you can find interview questions for that company on glassdoor, that's the best possible thing. I always practice saying out loud what I'd like to say since I realized that I will definitely stumble thinking out full answers on the spot and this helps normalize/helps my mouth remember how to say things the way I want to lol.

I also have a quick rundown of the company in there so I don't make a fool of myself lol. As for the test, I wish you the best of luck anon! I hope you get this job!!

No. 491777

>>491423
Sorry for the late reply but IDK they haven't told me what it pertains just that there is a test!

>>491439
Tysm! that's actually really helpful!!

No. 491916

>>491424
>I don't want to wait months for a job

You sound entitled. A free site will never be as good as a paysite. This keeps out spammers and freeloaders.

The website isn't a job-producing machine. The best way to know if you will like it is to try it out yourself for a bit. You can even find partial search results without signing up at first.

No. 491935

Finally got a job after looking for one relentlessly, it pays very well and starts later in the day! I'm very excited because the job isn't that difficult and the skills I could learn on the job will be a nice addition to my resume.

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>>491935
Congrats!


I bumped into this article a few minutes ago. It's a great refresher of one of my most favorite and powerful tools I use when I'm at an interview: interviewing the interviewer.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40475815/this-recruiter-shares-the-questions-the-smartest-candidates-asked?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3GzvFEOAVGPs-Yp02yphb3_uLSo5AuQnk__Hp-ftH683q6ERIkjsOrUEw

You know how some people say that interviews are mostly bullshit? This part of the interview session is definitely not. I would even argue that it's far more important than the early part of the interview. Everything you both have discussed leads to the moment where you can shine the brightest.


At this portion of the interview, I use up as much of their time as possible to ask knowledgable, penetrating questions about the position. Obviously I come up with them days before hand. I try to make sure the questions are those I would ask if I already work there. The ultimate goal is to get the interviewer to start imagining about what it would be like if I worked there. I want to plant a distinct, me-shaped seed in their mind long after I'm gone.

Don't just be knowledgable, be MEMORABLE.


Here are the ones I asked at my recent interview last week:


*"Does your team use the same Framemaker template for every employee? Or does everyone just use their own templates?"

I call this a "show-off" question. I may not even really care about the answer, but asking detailed information about a tool or procedure used at the job helps prove that I know my shit. It's always better to show what you know, rather than say it. And the best way you can do that in an interview is either by sharing your success stories and experiences, and asking questions like this.


*"Explain to me your technical content work flow from content draft to finished content. How does your process work?"

Typically my best one. One reason is because they're always so different from my past jobs.


*"What was the most recent accomplishment your team has had? For example, maybe you guys just beat a really tight deadline or something."

This general one I added to my toolbox a few weeks ago. When I help them think of a struggle that their team has surpassed, they will now more likely associate those positive feelings with me the next time they think of me and/or that struggle. Subconsciously, it will almost feel like I was there too, struggling with them. I'll experiment with this one more to make the "emotional-link" even more powerful.

You know you had a great interview when the lead interviewer literally and confidently says: "You did very well" knowing smile. Aw yeah! fist pump


In summary, the more of these questions I ask, the more I stand out against the other candidates, and the further I move to the front of the candidate pile, if not THE front.

Usually 3 of these questions are enough. They really do ask a lot of the interviewer and me. but I can spend all day making myself look cool. I try to always let THEM end the interview.



Fully taking advantage of this session was how I got hired at this temp call center job I had, IMMEDIATELY after the interview was over. Dude literally stood up and introduced me to half the office. That's how good I did.

Like I said in >>478769, this is MY show, bitches.

No. 492405

>>491916
why would wanting a job quickly be entitled ? it used to be that you would walk in any supermarket or diner and they could offer you a job on the spot if they had room.

I get the economy is shitty and everybody suffers, but idk if redirecting your anger on other people who struggle with making money is the smart thing.

No. 492416

>>492405
>>492405
What do supermarkets and diners have to do with remote jobs? Just visit the site.

No. 492448

>>492241
Why not get the paper for your worsened hearing, change the position while you still can, possibly avoid losing your job, and if they dont fire you but you dont like the new position, you could just look for a new job while still working for them without having to struggle financially.
You can also take your online courses meanwhile, and maybe do some freelance jobs for practice so that you will have a bit of experience for your copywriting job.

No. 492450

Oh shit, looks like I didn't repost correctly. Doing it now.

Anons, I need your advice. I’m stressing the fuck up.
I’ve been working for a few years in a travel agency call center The job has been killing me, but I stayed for the good money and benefits. Now it seems like I might be forced to change a workplace very soon as there is a lot of evidence that the client will not renew contract with our company and therefore we will all lose job in a few months.
I do not plan to work in this industry again if I can avoid it. My hearing has worsened to the point were work medicine doctors informed me that I might not be able to work with headphones for more than a year (I am fine for now, but most likely will not pass the next test). TBH the doctor advised me to check with my managers if it’s possible to shift me to a position where I do not need to use headphones all the time. I have spoken with my manager and if a doctor gives me a paper based on my hearing exams that yes, my hearing has worsened, they might be able to give me a different position in the company.
Do I pursue the opportunity or shut the fuck up and keep quiet until I lose the job? If they move me, I might avoid being fired but it’s not sure and I might get a position I’m comfortable with. At the same time, I’m worried about fucking up my hearing even worse.
My company is known for not firing people unless it absolutely cannot be avoided.
Another thing. I would love to become a copywriter. I have a fitting education, but zero experience and actual knowledge. I’m gonna take an online course by a respected professional (no, it’s not udemy or anything like that, though it’s online) to learn real skills, but it’s not enough. I need to get my first job in marketing though, it would be best if I could get hired and trained. I would love to be a completely self-taught copywriter, but it’s not so easy for me as I have a lot on my plate. My second question is what do I write in my online resume so that I have a bigger chance of being asked for interview? As I have mentioned, I have the right education, my English is good enough, ATM I’m brushing up on my Office/Excel/Powerpoint skills as they are necessary. I’m lacking the experience in marketing and it’s a big issue.
What do I write in my professional summary and professional goals part? I want to change the type of work so it seems pretty difficult to me.

>>492448
thank you for your advice! I really need some more time to be able to find a different job, so I wonder what will be the smartest thing to do. It all depends on what my manager says and if I get the paper from the doctor (tbh I'm not 100% sure if she will give me one in this case since I'm still able to work…).
I'm a bit worried cause what if my team will keep on working for a year more or so and I will get fired from the new position cause I suck or something… In my current team at least I feel safe and respected…

I'm also super worried cause I've sent my resume to like 50 job offers and got no reply yet, most people haven't even opened my CV. I know it's kind of normal but it also stresses me the fuck up. When I was looking for my current job, a lot of people called me back though tbh I was applying for much less demanding positions…

No. 492470

>>492450
Well, it seems that the first step should be trying to get that paper, and then you can decide what to do if you'll get it.
You've said it yourself that your company doesn't like firing people, so don't worry about being fired from the new position, it will be fine and you might get more valuable skills and work experience.
Are there any marketing jobs available in your company? Maybe you could get one of those without even changing the company?

No. 492591

Posted in the vent thread, however this thread is probably more helpful.

My job closed its doors randomly for construction due to major repairs, however they didn't really warn us, and told us just today at 9:30 am, I'm not quite sure what to do in that case, are they allowed to do that? It's before the holidays, and my medical bills are racking up.

No. 492600

>>492591
You need to give more detail, like what country do you live in and did they say how long its closed for? Are you permanent staff etc?
Sounds illegal to me though, but if you're in the states you might need to take legal action in order to get paid
To me it sounds illegal

No. 492616

>>492600
I'm actually in Canada Frenchfrog, I'm a permanent worker part time, they'll be closed for 5 days but that's 800$ from my paycheque.

I called the employment services or whatever it's named in English, but they told me that I can't do anything, although he sounded really confused and lost. Perhaps I should go in person.

No. 492668

>>492616
you might not be able to do anything. it probably was an emergency closure.

No. 492682

>>491916
oh fuck off with the entitlement shit, there's a huge difference between entitled and my time being wasted you bitch

No. 492684

What’s the best way to follow up for a job, where the only available number is the general HR department and there’s no listed email? How long should I wait? What should I say?
I meet the minimum requirements but have no experience with the type of work I’m applying for. Just trying to get their attention in a positive way so I at least get an interview.

No. 492710

Completely off-topic but I don’t understand the thread pic, every time I scroll past it I can’t tell if it’s referencing something or I’m missing some sort of joke. What does it mean??

No. 492969

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>>492398
Update: aaaand I just got hired!

I'm glad other anons here have appreciated my advice over the past few months. It's crazy how I'm so passionate about this process. I wasn't even looking for a job at all, I just enjoyed sharing the cool stuff I learned and helping people out. Maybe I should be in the recruiting field instead lol.

Have a happy holiday everyone!

No. 493015

>>492969
Congrats anon! I'm starting to job hunt a little and I'll definitely be trying to apply some of the stuff you've posted!

I think during my last round of job hunting I started to really get the hang of it and hopefully I can get some of my confidence back!

No. 493016

>>493015
Thanks and good luck!

Remember: confidence < competence < practice.

There are plenty of lessons in every single interview. You just gotta look for them.

Also keep in mind that knowing that your skills, availability and expertise are in demand also adds to your confidence, like it does for me.

No. 493018

>>490861
Don't know how I missed this post but that's pretty awesome. Congratulations.

No. 493022

i'm almost 27 and i've never had a job. i feel like i'll be a student forever. i can get by on what i get given for it, even if it's not a comfortable life. i enjoy reading the stories of people who have jobs but i have no confidence to apply to any.. and getting older.. i wouldn't be taken seriously with no previous experience. /spill over

No. 493035

Farmers with micromanaging bosses, how do you cope? Mine wants to be included on every email sent and is constantly asking for updates on the smallest of tasks. For example, this morning a coworker asked if I secured a meeting room and not even a minute later my boss replies with the whole department CCd with: “Anon???? Please respond??”
I’M TYPING MY RESPONSE RIGHT NOW BITCH STOP MAKING ME LOOK INCOMPETENT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No. 493513

>>493022
jfc. That's only going to get worse for you as you get older. Even if you just worked part time during your studies, you would at least be getting on the ladder of experience so you aren't completely alienating yourself from adult working life. They say it gets harder as you approach your mid to late thirties, even with experience, so if I were you, I'd just suck it up and apply for a Saturday job somewhere. Anything to not completely single yourself out and fuck up your life after studies.

No. 493546

>>493513
I don't mean to be a dick, but I'm genuinely scares to ask what she's been studying all this time. Doesn't sound like it's something worthwhile.

No. 493617

>>493022
Just get a job, any job, for experience. When I graduated college, I immediately went to work in retail for two years straight. Did I use my degree? No. Did I learn a lot of other transferable skills and develop a good work ethic? Yes. I'm still not sure of what I want to do for a long term career (not really too keen on using my degree lol), but I feel like it's a bit easier to figure that out by working and doing things and thinking "do I want to do XYZ for the rest of my life" or "how can I leverage this job to give me skills that I need/want to move in the direction I want to go" rather than just thinking about the steps when you're an unemployed student. People might shit on me and say it takes too long to figure out what you want to do via just working with only a vague direction in your life, and they're not wrong! But work is work, money is money, and experience is experience. If you already sort of know what you need to do and don't want to waste time on a random job, get an internship!

You can do it, I believe in you! All it takes is that first step.

No. 493680

>>493022
Someone in the NEET thread mentioned volunteering helped her get used to working in a job environment.

No. 494182

So I am graduating early and have to move back to my hometown to save money doing shit work if I want to relocate for job searching. One job I am thinking of for an entry-level "career" is being a study abroad coordinator/advisor, but of course the places hiring now are like 3 or 4 hours away from my hometown. How hard is it to get this job? I thought it would be easy to apply in the future, but now I'm thinking I might need a master's degree even for something so simple. What other experience should I try to gain besides advising?

No. 494220

>>494182
An acquaintance I know has this job and I'm pretty sure he only has a bachelors. He travels to south east Asian schools every once in a while to speak to prospective students. He seems to enjoy it.

No. 494221

>>494182
>>494220
He did have previous work experience, but I think it was tangently related to this current job

No. 494240

Jfc my coworker exaggerates way too fucking much and he tries to get on my ass for "not doing my part" anytime he sees I didn't get a chance to check doors he just gives up and doesn't do them for a whole week. He's such a hypocrite.
like excuse me for actually having a reason. Ppl keep coming in on my shift so I gotta stay in the command center all night. my coworker chooses just not to do a certain building when he feels like it because he's soooo frustrated he's doing "all the work". Like okay yeah there's A DAY in the week where I don't do a building but I go and fucking check it the next day and not just do it because no one else is. I honestly feel good when I see my name sign the list multiple times in a row because it shows I'm working consistently and not being lazy but my coworker just gets mad when he's like "It's me doing it all!".
It's just so exhausing like my supervisor yells at him all the time for trying to micromanage but he just keeps on doing it. There was a time he had to fill in for the supervisor for one day and he fucked up so bad. He had some fucking ego boost and just started throwing away old "junk" papers. He actually called the supervisor boasting about what he did and he wasn't happy at all lmao.

No. 494549

applied to a job at a popular grocery store in my state that famously pays employees well and treats them well and they’ve contacted me to film a video interview for them
they’ve provided no questions to go off of or anything, the position is just for cashier and customer service associate, any farmers have any idea what i should say?
i am going to of course talk about myself and past customer service experience (2 years) but what grocery store appropriate things should i mention?

No. 494736

>>494549
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you just got hired and they're already asking you for an interview? I would decline. I wouldn't know enough about working there to say anything worthwhile.

No. 494945

>>494549
Start with your name to verify who you are. Give a brief summary of why you applied/why you'd like to work there. Then, state your skills which you can apply to the role, such as: active listening (read up on this if you're unsure) - understanding the customer's needs and tailoring the service to them so it's a personal experience for the individual customer - cash handling skills - good team working - adaptability - flexibility. Terms like that really get employers tongues wagging. They love buzzwords. For each skill you bring up, give a brief summary of when you've utilised that skill, normally in this format - issue/problem arises, thoughts/actions you took to work through it, and the outcome. Remember to focus on YOU. 'I did this' 'I was responsible for'. Don't use we!

Good luck anon! I hope you get it.

No. 495171

>>493035
I had a micromanaging boss and the best thing to do was inundate them with information, constantly ask their opinion/for their response on things, and go to them with stupid little shit

Eventually they should get sick of it and leave you alone, but no telling how much time that will take

No. 495172

>>492684
Anon they don't want you to follow up

No. 495194

>>492684
>>495172

Whether before or after the interview, follow ups are a waste of time. Outdated Boomer advice.

Maybe send a thank you email the next day if you have their information on hand, but that's all. Don't waste time hunting down emails and phone numbers that they don't want you to have anyway. Companies are very spam-averse these days. Use this time to look for other jobs.

If they really want you, they'll follow up with YOU.

No. 495707

Oh God I think I'm gonna get written up at work for lying. I'm a big fucking dummy and for some reason I like to say that I did something even though I didn't when someone higher up than me asks. I've done this since I was young.
Like, I had 3 hours for the rest of my shift to do this one task that I normally do during the 3 hours, but a higher up I rarely ever see came in to check up on me and decided he wanted to watch what I do for an hour.
I got completely embarrassed and just told him I'm was actually done with everything for the day hoping he'd leave me alone and I wouldn't burden him and his visit would be short and I could go do what I said I did right when he left.
Well, he suggested I give him a tour of the place and what I do so he could be "familiar" with the place. At this point I know I'm already fucked, and the thing is we sign a paper every time we complete each step this task so now he's gonna see I didn't actually do what I said I did. I feel so stupid. Fucking Christ, why did I lie?

No. 495714

Is it a stupid question to ask why people can't get hired?

No. 495746

>>495714
Kind of, there are plenty of reasons.
Most of it is just down to location in my opinion. Where I live you can easily get a food service/retail job in about two weeks that will pay you more than minimum wage but in other places it can take many months to obtain one of those at minimum wage, and employers treat you like shit because they know there isn't much else around.
Also people who have a troublesome history (NEET) are going to have a harder time.

No. 495758

>>495707

I'm sorry but, LMAO. I've kinda been there, though.

>>495714

Not stupid. Just too broad.

No. 495775

>>495714
Personally? I've only had one job ever and it was an internship at an art museum. I majored in graphic design and there are no jobs related to it in my area.

No. 495883

>>495714
Location, no form of reliable transportation, didn't pass a drug test, background check takes too long for results, NEET history, resume has spelling mistakes or not completely up to date, interview was too awkward. I think those are the big reasons.

No. 495923

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I don't know what career to choose, i like technology but it's becoming more and more cheap (while being hard and time consuming) thanks to companies hiring chinese and indians. I just don't know what to do, my country is slowly becoming more commie and the only good thing about here is free education (it's really bad though) but the future that awaits me is the one of automatization…

No. 495934

I got a job as an administrative assistant at a nonprofit during the busiest time of the year for them and have a bunch of backlogged shit to do. Hopefully, I don't fuck up, the pay is good, I can come in late and leave whenever. Also, It would look good on my resume, very thankful for this job.

No. 495939

>>495934
If you don't mind me asking how do you become qualified for a job like that?

No. 495969

>>495746
>>495883
>>495775
and to the other (you)s i'm too lazy to click on,
I hope everyone who is looking for a job will get it

No. 496825

Fuck I want to become an independent animator but I'm currently working at a call center

No. 497101

I applied for target (currently jobless) and they want to do an interview. I'm honestly scared because I'm terrible at interviews and know I will fuck it up. I didn't think they would contact me so soon. I wish I hadn't applied.

No. 497114

>>495939
I actually got the job through a temp agency, they saw that I worked at a non-profit before and interviewed me for the position. They were very desperate for someone and hired me quickly even though I'm still a college student. All the skills I do on the job I learned during training. I'm so fucking thankful for this job, prior to this I was a custodian at my university and made almost half of the pay I do now for twice the work.
At my job, I mainly just put checks into a payment system and print out acknowledgment letters for them.
Btw, when I say I worked at a non-profit before it was mainly just basic volunteer work I did during high school that included using excel.

No. 497120

Sorry if this is inappropriate for this thread, but here goes.

I have an art degree (i know, i know) but I don't work in my field and haven't since I graduated two years ago. I'm depressed and pretty much gave up on my desired field and starting working as an accountant's assistant - basically an AP clerk. It's like data entry, inventory, invoicing, and some low level accounting. So I don't really have skills and it's not a "career", but just a job that pretty much anybody could do once they are shown how. I do, however, make more money than I ever did in retail so I would like to stick with this kind of job for now.

My issue is that I desperately want to leave my state for various reasons - but I don't have friends or family in other states, and I certainly don't have the kind of job that would ever give me an opportunity to relocate. And it's not as if I have super in demand skills that companies states over would offer me a job.

I want to have a job lined up before I moved even though I have a ridiculous amount in savings so technically I might be able to take the leap and move first (but I would prefer not to do this.) I'm thinking if I tried to apply to a similar job in another state and put my current address on the application, they wouldn't go through all the trouble of trying to hire someone out of state who is basically a glorified secretary, when they can find anybody down the street who could do the same shit. I have a money I can use to travel for interviews, but it's not like they know/care about that. Has anybody with a job similar to mine ever been in this position and pulled it off successfully? I'd really like advice on this or to be told how stupid I am being.

No. 497130

>>497120
I sort of did this. Left my shitty economically depressed area and moved to a big city. It was a great decision and I can't imagine having not done it. Do you have a particular state in mind or do you just want a change?

If you want to move to New York for example, look for rooms/apartments and set up a budget. See how long you can last with no job while paying X amount of rent with just your savings. Take into account your other bills like food, utilities, phone, etc. Use Indeed/LinkedIn and look at jobs in the area you want to move to. Are there a lot of jobs? Do they pay decently? How far will the commute be? Do they offer benefits?

It's not easy, but it's not stupid. Making your way on your own and moving to a completely new area is incredibly refreshing and rewarding if you plan correctly. My best advice is to do a lot of research on the area first. See what the median rent is, how the wages are, how the job market is, and if it looks good, go for it!

No. 497153

>>497130
Thank you for the advice anon. If I can ask a few more questions though - did you already have a job lined up when you moved, or did you survive off savings for a little while? And were you highly educated/already have a career path prior to moving or just a useless degree and a job like I do? Thats one of the things that worries me.

And yes I have a specific state in mind…which is another thing that worries me because I live in a shithole in middle America and my dream city is a major city and much more expensive, which I know I need to be concerned about. I have wanted to move there my entire life, no exaggeration, and I recently had medical issues that made me realize how much shit can just fall apart at any moment and my life is extremely short and I have done absolutely nothing I actually want to do. I would like to think I am smart with money and I already survive off bare necessities, but I have looked at rent here and there and I definitely think renting a room is a better idea for me. I've done it before and though it's not ideal and a bit scary at first, it is more feasible for me financially. I make about five dollars above minimum wage in my current state, but I still never feel like it's enough rent-wise for an actual apartment and my own space.

No. 497177

>>497153
I had an idea of where I wanted to go, but it wasn't lined up before I moved. I understand your concerns, because they were my concerns as well before I finally took the jump. My career path/education was practically non-existent, and I only had limited job experience, but I was able to stick it out with my company in my non-professional role and eventually get promoted.

It will be more expensive, no doubt about it, but you'll also have more opportunities and (usually) better wages. If you're already doing clerical work, I'm sure your new city has plenty of similar jobs. It's much easier to find jobs in larger cities compared to small towns. There's also likely to be jobs related to your degree.

My situation was pretty similar to what you're saying, down to living in a shithole and dreaming of a particular city. I hope you try it out. I'm giving you advice like I would give to me 6 years ago. Be realistic, set a budget (sounds like you're good with money already), but don't focus on the negatives and what-ifs too much. People told me I was crazy for moving here initially, saying "it's too expensive, there's more crime" and all the usual, but I'd never move back. It made me so much happier to leave rural, church on every corner life behind, and it sounds like it would make you happy too.

I believe in you anon, and from how seriously you're taking it, I know you will succeed.

No. 498041

>>497114
This is a great example of how volunteer work still matters. It shows that at least you did something.

No. 498042

>>497153
I'm not picking on you, but if one of your biggest life goals was to move to your big expensive dream city, then what made you pick an art degree? What result did you expect? What was the exact moment when your expectations crashed into reality?

No. 498043

>>498042
>>497153

I'm also asking because this was my goal as well. For me it was NYC. So after two years of soul searching, I decided that I would go back to school and study something that would get the kind job that would get me there. And it happened exactly like I envisioned all those years ago when I was a frustrated 20 year old feeling stuck in a small town.

No. 498362

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robinryan/2019/11/13/hr-reveals-what-you-should--and-shouldnt--wear-to-a-job-interview/#731e010319fd

Every time I have a new job interview my mom wants me to run out and buy new expensive formal clothes immediately. She completely ignores the clothing I already have and most likely bought since my last interview rounds. She has no idea what it's like to interview for and work in a white-collar setting, but I get where she's coming from.

No. 498380

>>498362
In my industry you can show up to an interview in a tshirt and jeans, nobody will give a single shit.

No. 498400

>>498380
Not everyone works in IT.

No. 498630

>>498380
Regardless, it's always best try your best. Also, I feel like girls have a higher bar set for their appearance, and therefore are more harshly judged by men and women.

On a tangential note, the sex of the interviewer definitely matters much more than people realize. And in so many ways, obvious and subtle. I'm kinda just realizing it myself.

No. 499204

Fucking sick of having to work for free because everything requires you to have at least 2+ years of experience. Still living with my parents because I haven't had a paying job yet. Want to fucking kill myself.

No. 499218

>>499204
interning doesn't count as work experience, anon.

No. 499241

>>499218
It depends on what you learn and share on future interviews.

No. 499270

>>499218
maybe if your internship is just fetching coffee… I had internships throughout college and got a job that wanted 3+ yrs experience right when I graduated

No. 499481

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Applied to a position for the EU (related to the UN). Even though it's just for a receptionist, the pay is good and I guess I'd technically be working in my field (International Relations, but tbh I don't really care about ending up in my field).

Don't have high hopes, but a bitch can dream.

No. 499534

>>499481
My friend just got accepted internship in the UN. The way I see it, anyone can do it if you believe!

No. 499537

>>499534
Thank you for the kind words anon. My favorite quote is 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst' when it comes to job hunting.

No. 499732

>>499537
Prepare to be disillusioned and angry about UN if you get accepted, kek

No. 499804

someone at my workplace said we should apply for US census jobs. apparently it's not long tern, so I could maintain my current job when the hours are dry during jan and make extra cash. ofc I was considering getting another shitty retail job to make extra cash instead bc im afraid I wouldn't be able to get the census taker job. anyone here in the US had any experience with a census temp job?

No. 499810

>>499804
It is scary easy to get the job because in most areas they’re desperate for workers. However, they’re desperate for a reason. I’ve never done it personally, but my cousin has and said it was very demanding. Most people don’t want to talk to you, let alone give out information about their lives. Some people can duck you for weeks just because they’re paranoid by some stranger at their door, others will become verbally aggressive. When my cousin was doing it, she carried mace with her at all times, but said she still felt scared of getting shot by some redneck. Idk good luck, not for everyone but depending on your location it could be easier.

No. 499838

I have no prior work experience that matters and only a high school diploma, but I was really hoping to start the climb out of NEETdom by getting a remote job at first. Is there anywhere I could start to find something that will be likely to give me a chance? Or should I use my spare time right now to try for a degree?

No. 499890

>>499838
I was going to say FlexJobs like I usually do, but you do have to be qualified in an area you are looking for to have a shot. High quality jobs want high quality people. You can try anyway, though.

No. 499894

>>499810
The work wasn't that demanding (I was admittedly one of the lazier workers), but I did have some scary moments. One guy threatened his dogs on me, another dude flipped out when he felt like I was hanging around the property too long.

I realized the hard way that a few of these "missing" people don't want to be found. If you consider yourself a meek person I wouldn't recommend doing it alone and risking your safety.

Its sad that i have to mention this glaring caveat because everything else was pretty cool. Learned about my hood and the people who live there, Great pay, set your own hours, and its not that hard. Almost fun in a Pokemon kind of way.

No. 499902

>>499810
I honestly thought we were getting scammed when the census people came around. It was such odd hours too. Like, most people work during the day and they were knocking at our door at 10am on a weekday. There should honestly be a better way to do this.

No. 499911

>>499902
I think it was standard procedure to try different times in order to find the persons living there.

No. 499982

>>499732
I'm curious, what was your experience in this field?

No. 499996

Anyone planning on moving abroad for work? Where are you moving to?

No. 500336

>>499732
Oh I absolutely don't give a fuck or have high hopes. I'm not going for it because it's connected to the UN, it just pays well and that's all I care about at this point lol.

No. 500409

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i'm starting to really give up hope.

i just got denied from a job where i did three rounds of interviews for one position and had several connections, some personal/some alumni, at the company. i thought i was a shoe-in.

i'm still waiting to hear back from another job where i did four rounds of interviews and even had one interview with the FOUNDERS of the company. it's been over two weeks since, but i'm hoping now that the holidays are over i'll hear back soon.
i just quit my shitty part-time job, too, because i thought i was finally going to have a big-girl salaried career.

i don't know how much longer i can endure the godforsaken song and dance of interviewing and waiting and waiting and interviewing ad infinitum.

h-hold me, /ot/.

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>>500409
Wishing you the best of luck anon!!! Hang in there!

No. 500411

>>500409
Fuck, what industry are you in so I can avoid it? Sorry, anon. This all sounds super shitty and I wish you luck in the future!

No. 500426

>>500409
I'm so sorry anon, I am in the same boat as you where nothing is panning out even after interviews

Here's to getting a new job and staying strong in the meantime

No. 500706

>>500645
This reads like a terrible bot lol

No. 501332

alright so something embarrassing and cringey happened today.

a few months ago I interviewed at a big box store and the interview went very poorly. I had actually applied for the starbucks in this store. anyways, I applied again recently, and I guess I applied for starbucks again even though I didn't intend to? I got interviewed by the same woman as last time. she was really surprised that she was interviewing me again and kept saying "I didn't know about this" (read: "interviewing you is pointless because you failed the last time") and looking down smiling almost like she was trying not to laugh. she also kept saying "there are a bunch of other candidates" (read: "interviewing you is pointless because there are so many more qualified applicants"). she also said "ask" like "axe".

last time I got asked questions that I completely failed to answer (I had been asked these in other interviews as well) and embarrassed myself. well I FINALLY came up with good answers for them, and she didn't ask those questions. she said she wasn't asking them because they already had the answers?? and here I thought I would have a second chance. and then she asked me new questions that I totally wasn't prepared for and just gave generic stupid answers and made a fool of myself basically.

she said "it's clear you've gone through some changes" which I guess is a good thing, and like it was decent interview practice I guess but I honestly just feel embarrassed and regret applying there.

No. 501342

>>501332
Are you in the states? Was it target? I initially applied for a Starbucks there, the job wasn’t open, and they had me interview for a general team member position, and honestly I really enjoy it. If you live in a state with a really low min wage it might be harder to get a job at a big box store that sets its own min wage, then more “adults” are applying for it cause they can make more money than managers at other places in an entry level position. (If it isn’t target then disregard this, can’t think of any other store that has Starbucks in it)

No. 501375

>>501342
Yes and yes. The thing is though that I applied for the Starbucks on accident. I had already applied for that in the past and thought I'd have a better chance just getting a regular position as like a cashier or whatever. I think I'm gonna try applying for a different location as a stocker or cashier.

No. 501403

>>501375
Id say try applying at another location as a gm team member! However, because fourth quarter just ended they’re letting go of all the seasonal employees and cutting back everyone’s hours, so unless the store really needs help they may not be hiring a ton right now. Applying during the middle of the year/closer to the holidays is probably your best bet. Good luck anon!

No. 501429

Just cried at work again, I am simply miserable. I feel so embarrassed every time it happens because I can never get away fast enough so someone sees it and then my eyes and face are red for what feels like hours. I cried because I started to tell my manager how stressed I am trying to work to the standards they have set for me, and failing. So I feel like it embarrassment upon embarrassment. And my managers response was that leadership would help me get better at everything and to not take work so seriously… but now my mind is stuck on it. Having such bad depression, doing well at work and making it here for as long as I have, it’s my only accomplishment I feel so far in life. I’m almost 30 and it’s all I have to be proud of. I just want to do it right

No. 501681

Guys, I really want to quit my dead end job but I am terrified of not being able to find anything else. This place is draining my soul and I'm not learning any useful skills (I work at a dog boarding facility, I basically just scoop shit and pace the floor all day). I feel like there's no room for advancement, management is petty (they've cut my hours back many times without my consent because I'm in school), and everyone talks shit about each other.

I would really love to stay home/work for myself and sell my 3d prints while I finish up my schooling. How do I just take the risk and quit without feeling like a guilty POS?

No. 501715

>>501681
Anon, you'll find something else. I believe in you! There's probably some skills to be gained even working at a dog boarding facility- just learn how to sell yourself! Customer service skills from dealing with owners, adaptability because dogs can be unpredictable, knowing how to multi task/prioritize tasks maybe?

I worked retail for two years, and job hunted for a couple months while still working my job without any luck. It was taking such a huge toll on my mental health (feels like such a cheap excuse but I was cutting and having a meltdown almost every other day) that I finally just quit without anything lined up. I'm fortunate that my parents don't make me pay rent, and I had a decent amount in savings to cover any of my own emergencies anyway, so I bit the bullet. It took about 2 weeks before I got a new office job.

I don't think the guilt of leaving a job will ever leave you. It's a huge leap of faith and you just have to trust yourself and know that you work/paycheck don't define your worth as a person. I struggled with that and the two weeks I was out of a job felt like months. I had to pull myself into a routine of taking walks and doing things like drawing or something so I wouldn't feel like I was in such a hopeless loop sending out job apps for hours and hours and hours. I hope the best for you and I hope you'll be able to find a place that lets you work from home or support yourself selling 3D prints!

No. 501773

I've seen a ton of other ladies in /ot/ saying they work in IT so I might as well post my worries here. I'm a senior level developer, enjoy what I do, think it's my calling in life etc. But I'm absolutely miserable going to work because of the constant feeling of being left out and not being appreciated. I'm always the only woman. People pay lip service to me talking all this equality crap but in reality there's always an invisible wall around me. I'm the one who rarely gets invited to afterwork events or lunch. People are reluctant to give me demanding tasks and don't exactly trust my expertise. Even the few women who work in our company aren't tech people (HR and operational) and seem to think I'm a loser. And if the men aren't being lowkey rude and passive aggressive, they try to hit on me. I've gotten pretty disgusting messages from some coworkers over the years.

It's so hard to connect with people who make me feel like I shouldn't be there, my coworkers make me feel awkward and anxious each day because everything I say gets ignored or dismissed. But when I try to become a recluse and work on my own I get chewed out for not taking part enough. I'm looking into changing workplaces but I'm just afraid that I'll be greeted with the same atmosphere at any other company. I can't really vent about this to anyone because other people working in tech can't relate due to, that's right, being male. So I'm just letting it out here.

No. 501777

>>501429
Your manager gave you great advice!
Stop taking work so seriously!!!
Instead of being over emotional and defaulting to 'cope' and depression, can you not just put things into perspective by considering the fact that in 5 years time you'll be in a different job and nobody will care about how you did in this job? Really, work is just a pay check. Stop obsessing. Your boss literally just wants to use you to make themselves money, that's all. They pay you, and in exchange, you give them your time. And then everyone moves on with their life. In 50 years, nobody is gonna look back and go "she REALLY nailed that task!!!!". Nobody. Not even you! Just do your best, that is the best you can do, not some nonsense fanfiction about what you imagine your 'best' actually is. Just be your best. Your best is fine! Stop thinking so negatively about yourself.
Are you using work as an emotional crutch to make up for a lack of a fulfilling life? Your depression talk, and "work is all I've got to be proud of", and "I'm 30", all that talk, sounds like you might need to get some action going on outside of work? Can you try to pick up a hobby or two? And get on tinder or hookup with dates somehow.
Work is lame. Stressing about work is only hurting yourself like some teen who cuts. As your boss said, they'll give you the tools/training to succeed, so don't stress about work. Instead, focus on filling your life with things that make you proud! (Work can be 'a' thing that makes you proud to be you, but work should NEVER be 'the' thing that makes you proud to be you!)
Don't give up, you're amaze! Just let yourself relax and enjoy your life instead of stressing.

No. 501778

>>495171
Late for this but can 100% confirm that this works. Micromanagers are annoying as fuck but burning them out with constant questions and throwing the ball to their court makes them give up. People who are prone to micromanaging usually do it to cover up the fact that they have no professional credibility so when they're actually put to test they'll give up.

>>501777
Not the anon you replied to but I love this post. Giving your all and sacrificing your mental health for your work is not worth it. Nobody will appreciate it, ever. You'll only be rewarded with more work, not respect and fulfillment.

Making your job your identity is never, EVER a good thing. It will always end up badly. I've been the happiest when I treated my work just as a paycheck and did my best without constantly overdoing it and instead focused on my hobbies. Aiming to be the employee of the month every month only makes you miserable.

No. 501782

>>501773
What did you expect? You work in tech lol
I do too.
Are you young? Is this your first proper job? Where do you work? (Or what kind of tech does your company make, if you're afraid of doxxing yourself?) The bigger social media and classical media companies, and stalwarts like Apple/Amazon tend to be more diverse, and thus, more likely that you will find a crew you can relate to. Heavy engineering like car co's or Boeing tend to be way less diverse and more male dominated. Banks, the big ones, are a mix. And are usually fine, if you work on a large campus.
But for real, it's tech. It's not gonna be girly!
Guys in tech tend to be autists. You literally described autistic behaviour in your post. That's just how tech guys are. They're nerds who can't connect with non-nerds, let alone with women. (Even if you are a nerd, you'll always be a woman to them). And if they're not nerds, they're likely gonna be super-competitive jock-types. Again, not exactly the kind of guys to understand how to connect with women on a professional basis.
You really need to figure out how to deal with those types of characters, because that's just how guys that go into tech are. (Women in tech can be worse! Beware the female autist! And beware the radfem who'll make out that all of your achievements and skills are thanks to your ovaries instead of your skills. You'll have a whole lot of fun navigating the female tech hordes to find a few you can connect with, so good luck with that! If you think the boys are bad, just wait till you meet the girls!)
Seriously though, ranting and joking aside. You may need to just search elsewhere for a job. But if I was you, I'd use this as a learning opportunity and try out a few experiments: Like, ask your manager for help. Simply lay out what you wrote here and see if they can help. You're not gonna be seen as a troublemaker. If he's a good manager, he'll do his best to figure out how to welcome you into the group better, and how to maximise your productivity by assigning work that matches your skill set. If you're the only chick in town, it could simply be that they don't actually know how to use your skills effectively and they may not even consciously understand that there's a problem (all because they're autistic and you're a girl!). Bringing this to your manager's attention might get their gears grinding and open their minds to updating their behaviour.
Or just look for another job. As a female techie, you literally have the golden ticket to work almost anywhere you want, so don't be afraid to apply everywhere!
And lastly: don't stress about the HR and ops women. They probably do think you're a loser! But mainly either because of jealousy of your skill set and the options available to you, or because they're just basic bitches that can't understand why a girl would be a nerd. The kind of basic that unironically watches the youtubers we laugh at on here :) Do be kind to them, at least publicly. They are much better to have on your side if you ever need them. (And please remember that you likely earn at least triple what they do, and your career trajectory will always be better than theirs, so if they're jealous, while it's not "ok" per se, you can hopefully understand why they're jealous. They'll probably never be able to command 6-figure salaries like you will.)
Personally, while I still love tech and building things and the creativity and all, I've had enough of tech people after a decade (of success tyvm), I'm sticking it out for another year or two to save up the big bucks then moving on from tech in 21/22 and getting an mba so that I can deal with some non-autistic people for the rest of my career. Yes, the biz guys may be more misogynistic than even the tech nerds but I don't care if they pay me well, I'm old enough that I just want to raise some kids and chill. Crunch time isn't conducive to being a mommy (and neither is putting up with autistic behaviour!) Hopefully with an mba, I can just rock in and go: pay me, give me a cushy number, and I'll be happy managing the autistic tech boys instead of arguing with them to explain why some of their ideas about tech and dev strategy are outdated and wasteful lol
Or I might flip altogether and switch careers into marketing and laugh at the basic bitch mar-stars for the rest of my career while using my big brain to outperform them at their own speciality hahahaha
Good luck with your career!

No. 501788

>>495194
Any fallout?

No. 501791

>>501782
NTAYRT, but this is golden advice for any young woman who is pursuing a (lucrative) career in a male dominated industry. Thank you! You definitely have your priorities straight, family comes first.

No. 501794

>>501782
Serious question: are you MTF?

No. 501796

>>501782
AYRT and I mentioned I'm a senior level developer in my post, so obviously it's not my first job and I'm not a little girl anymore. I'm well aware of the autistic men in tech but quite honestly they're the ones who overlook gender and treat everyone in an equally autistic way, not in a passive aggressive "yeah diversity fucking rocks but uhhh mind if we have our guys only club here" sort of style. I'm not going to mention where I work and risk doxing myself, but most of my coworkers are the hipster type of IT guys, not the "they're just shy!" type of nerds who would at least have the excuse of being completely socially inept.

I've already approached managers concerning my feelings about the work community but they don't care because again - I'm the only woman, I'm the only one having trouble, so it's my problem alone. They can't relate. And I really doubt you did either.

>>501794
Yeah I was actually thinking this same exact thing reading this ramble that didn't seem to understand where I was coming from at all.

No. 501805

>>501782
wtf is this post…

No. 501816

>>501782
What was your experience with female spergs?

No. 501819

Is anyone an audit manager here? What’s the job like? Do you enjoy it? How did you end up in the field?

No. 501820

>>501816
Hes actually a man in a dress, so they probably called him out on being a fucking creep.

No. 501821

>>501794
Right? The weird jab at radfems, bringing up motherhood to someone who is passionate about her work, assuming women are jealous of each other… if not a mtf, someone who hates women.

No. 501824

>>501821
Not to mention, it had weird tones of "I'm just one of the girls too, teehee!"

No. 501826

>>501773
It really depends on what you do. "IT" is a very, very broad term and the closer you go to your typical modern dev jobs the more you'll run into younger "no girls allowed" types and techbros bragging about their salaries and big brains like old Bob here >>501782, despite devs being a dime a dozen and easily replaceable.

Instead of switching workplaces, I'd advise you to look into pivoting towards backend and then infrastructure. I work in infra for a big finance firm and ALL of my coworkers are 1) over 40, with wives and kids nearing my age, 2) very chill people, 3) very helpful and genuinely glad that someone younger is willing to take up the reins.

If someone makes you feel disgusting, I implore you to keep evidence of that in a Google Drive folder or somewhere (so that you can always access it), and let it pile up. If the firm ever contests your negative experiences and tries to brush it under the rug, threaten a lawsuit if nothing is done about it and show the evidence to HR, keeping a copy for yourself. If you have enough material to make a case for yourself I would even suggest going to a counsellor, your supervisor or HR and doing it now. Just remember that the HR are there for the company's protection, not yours. And if any of those HR ladies are any nice, try to be a friend to them, you might need them more than you think. If they're being bitchy though just ignore them lol, our receptionist hates me for some reason but coos at all my male coworkers.

>>501782
Have you forgotten to take your anti-psychotics or estrogen today?

No. 501833

>>501403
Late reply, but thanks! And yeah, I had the thought of it being a poor time to apply. I don't know what else to do though, I'm running out of money.

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No. 501837

>>501782
Really hamming it up there with the nerd gurl teehee xD shtick. Nice try tho.

No. 501864

>>501782
haha what a fag

No. 501900

Wtf happened

No. 501905

>>501782
>nd beware the radfem who'll make out that all of your achievements and skills are thanks to your ovaries

Um…. What..?

No. 502043

>>501900
Guaranteed replies

No. 502086

hi everyone!! does anyone have any idea of resources which can help in choosing a career path/a job thats a good fit, etc? my whole life i have never known what to do especially since i am awful at math and science. my fam has suggested HR but i wonder about other things too? thanks for the help in advance!

No. 502091

>>502086
Have you tried free career interest tests online? You can also speak with a career adviser at local colleges who will probably give u a more official complete version.

No. 502099

>>502091
usually i get a mssg saying i need to pay to see test results so i have trouble finding good free sites, but ok i might try visiting the university i attended, thanks!

No. 502103

>>502099
Then pay. They're worth it. Or go to your nearest career center and take one there. Or find a book. I read at least one book and took a few years before I zeroed in on what I would be ok with

No. 502104

>>502103
*took a few tests

No. 502478

>>495707
OP of this comment giving an update. So the higher up brought up this incident why my supervisor within the past few days. Supervisor honestly didn't care that much or he would've talked to me about it, he always comes in an hour before we check in/out and makes himself coffee and has a smoke so there's time for him to bring up issues with me. I'm literally the one out of three employees he likes, he's even given me the OK to skip a task one day out of the week and take a quick nap if I ever needed to, because he used to do what I did, same hours, & that's what he would do.
Another worker in the building, separate company, got a chance to bring it up with me when my supervisor was out of the room for a bit "Hey, did the supervisor let you know what was going on?" And he explained to me the higher up is trying to walk in on me slacking off, hopefully sleeping. He asked for a key to be made so he can enter the building without he knowing.
Obviously, the supervisor can't really deny his request because it's company policy so even if he tried, he'd probably be suspect by the other higher ups.
But God, this is so stressful. I'm not even trying to get away with not doing anything, like yeah some days I just don't want to do anything, but I do what I'm supposed to by the time my shift is over. It's just so unneeded. Anyways, this is what I get for fucking up LMAO what's worse is this dude is probably two or three years younger than me and I'm not even in my late 20s.

No. 502499

>>501715
Thank you so much for the words anon. Unfortunately during the time that I have worked there I haven't even been able to gain customer service skills because they won't allow anyone to. They put certain people in those positions and throw a shitfit if you try to do the front desk's job (even though they need the help sometimes). Hopefully the selling my work at home thing will come through because I've had enough. this place was my first real job so I don't know if I'm just being a whiny bitch or not. I just feel like a weight will be lifted from me once I move on.

No. 503164

>>502499
Doesn't sound like you're really getting anything out of it. I'd say move on. You don't have to have 22 jobs to know what you truly want and don't want. When you have the time, I recommend, making a list of what you want in a job and order it from most important to least important.

No. 504135

I'm so afraid that I won't be able to find a job after graduation. I'm a second year community college student about to transfer to a university and I still feel like I don't know shit about my major (CS). I also work a part time job 15 hours a week.
I try my best in classes and have a perfect GPA but everywhere seems to say that isn't good enough, that I have to network and start making a portfolio. But I don't have much free time because I study so much and work on weekends. I also want to be able to spend time with friends and family, relax, and do my hobbies in my free time so I have trouble motivating myself to do additional work.
I was thinking about quitting my job because I have parents willing to support me financially but I like the people I work with and would be screwing them over a little because where I work is very understaffed. And maybe I wouldn't even use that time productively, maybe I would get lazy. I just feel very lost right now and would appreciate any advice.

No. 504205

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>>504135
Pick two. This is the unfortunate reality (though I would probably replace enough sleep with work in your case).

Networking is crazy important. A lower GPA might suck, but I know a girl who's doing physics and astronomy and was STRUGGLING grades-wise, but she gets invited to do cool shit and special programs at places like Harvard because- you guessed it, networking. I remember seeing an anon's post somewhere about how some rich kid spent all this time fooling around and partying and still landed a cushy job because he made good connections. Work smarter, not harder as they say. Making connections and meeting people who will know who you as a person, your work ethic, and hopefully also like you, means a lot more than a number on your resume. It'd be really nice and swell to have both, but I had to pick, networking would be more important.

Unfortunately that's just how things work. If you do end up leaving your job, I'd replace it with an internship or something similar- anything to get you closer to people working/about to work in your field.

No. 504213

>>504135
>because I study so much
You've probably heard this before, but have you tried studying smarter not harder? You should find how you learn and try to study like that.
You could also get a flash card app and use it to study in down time, I recommend anki.

No. 504223

>>504205
Thanks anon, I think I will probably quit my job as it isn't really doing anything for me in terms of future goals. I'm not sure if I will be able to get an internship because I don't have a portfolio and there isn't much offered at my community college to begin with. But if I quit my job I could at least get started on programming outside of school and I would be able to go to events, join my major's club, and overall be less stressed out all the time.
>>504213
I think my methods of studying are fine, I probably do more that's necessary but I just get paranoid about not doing well on tests because in most of my classes 3-4 tests determines 90% of the grade.

No. 504261

>>504223
I wish you the best of luck anon! Don't feel guilty about leaving even if your job is understaffed- you have to look out for yourself first. If you haven't already, befriend your professors! They might be able to pass some info about internships/jobs/other programs to you. Even if not, it doesn't hurt to befriend them anyway!

No. 504451

After my graduation I want to work as freelance web developer, because now I study programming in college. Also now I am looking for new part time job but now I am a bit busy with essay and want to apply for helping to https://assignmentshark.com/civil-engineering-help.html

No. 504639

whats it like as a teacher? im thinking of applying to teacher's college and teaching history/geography in high school. fyi i'm canadian and not american.

No. 504644

I want to be a doctor and work in an emergency room or family practice but I have visible tattoos (specifically on my hand and neck) and I'm worried I'd be laughed out of medical school or never be able to get hired because of them. I am pretty smart and have a good GPA (currently in college completeing pre-requisites for med-school) but I'm second guessing if the money and time will be worth it in the long run or if I've already fucked myself over.

No. 504648

>>504644
It depends entirely on where you live. In the UK loads of police officers have full sleve tattoos which is often weird to visitors but just normal here.

No. 504693

>>504644
Unless you're in some raging religious country/area i don't think that should be a problem

No. 504781

>>504639
I can only speak as an American who has family members and friends who are teachers/planning to become teachers.

Anyway, it's demanding as fuck and people like my cousin and best friend chose it as a career because they really do it out of love for the field. I can only hope it's a little better in Canada, but teachers in the US are (for the most part) terribly underpaid considering all the work they have to put in. You have your regular work hours at school, then you have all the time you put in outside of school to do grading, lesson plans, and god knows what else. My aunt said she almost never sees my cousin anymore because she's so damn fucking busy grading all of her students work all the time. They have standard curriculum they have to stick to that's mandated by our state and standardized tests that force them to teach to the test because those numbers mean everything, but it creates a push and pull because not every kid is a good test taker you know? Do you measure growth by the numbers/set milestones, or just by overall growth? Oh teachers get summers off? Probably off teaching summer school or attending conferences/classes/seminars to learn better teaching methods to help their kids or something else. It's never ending.

There's probably a lot more that I haven't even mentioned, but this is all I remember because my friend and roommate in college would always be telling me about it. A lot of it might be unique to the US/our state in particular, but I don't imagine the "you put a lot more in than you get out" is very different. I also have friends who were pressured into becoming teachers who absolutely loathe it. You can easily come to hate it. Kids and teenagers are unpredictable. Good public schools may be difficult to get at job at because theyre, well… good. No one really wants to teach at an underprivileged school with a bunch of problem children who have home issues that affect their performance at work if they have the opportunity not to. You could also have a class full of angels or a class full of fucking demons and you just have to roll with it.

No. 504979

>>504781
My dads a teacher so I know a little bit about it. After school hours, he always grades 6-9 pm every week night. He gets summers off, xmas break and March break so it seems very chill, plus day holidays like labour day, family day, thanksgiving etc. In Canada, you can make ~$100,000 a year after 10-15 years of teaching, with a starting salary of $40,000-$50,000 depending on the subject and grade level (High school makes more). Plus you get benefits like massages, braces, dental care, chiropractor bone cracking sessions, glasses, and dieticians/nutritionists. It seems like a good deal here in Canada hence why I’m interested in it. But then again, it’s stressful and teachers always go on strike.

No. 505032

>>504979
How much time does he spend over the summer planning for the next year?

No. 505076

>>505032
Last week or two weeks of August.

No. 505101

>>504979
anon whens the last time youve been to school in canada??? the numbers sound great when considering teaching but i really think you should wait a bit. most highschool teachers dont have their contract set in stone, they get reviewed every semester, and then get redistributed to whatever programmed needs a functioning teacher (whether you know what youre teaching or not). on top of that over 50% of highschool teachers find themselves working second, even third jobs. elementary school teachers have the same problem but just not as common. the norm now is for teachers to start as on call substitute, and then phase in a few years later during periods of review when other teachers get kicked out. teachers are striking because of cuts, they pay for school supplies out of pocket and cuts mean they only pay more. i want to encourage you to follow your goals of being a teacher, but becoming a teacher now is 300 times harder than its ever been, made worse by having too many actively liscened teachers who wanted the good looking pay and bennies too.

No. 505146

>>505101
Oh geez that sounds horrible. I guess I’ll just be a government worker. They have the same pay/benefits, though I worked at a tech company and they’re more fun. Unfortunately I didn’t major in computer science/programming but history so my options are really limited. I’m thinking of doing another degree in accounting to write the CPA and get better job options

No. 505406

>>505146
>History

…why?

No. 505843

Currently job hunting before my temp job ends and a recruitment company that approached me last year when I was job hunting sent out listing for entry level admin work for a Japanese bank.

I'm hesitant, but it's at least a full time job with benefits. Pay isn't great, but it's a little more than I currently earn now (minimum wage lol). Wish me luck anons!

No. 505867

>>505843
Good luck!

Hopefully you get the job and that your temp experience would boost you quickly through the ranks.

No. 505927

>>505867
Thank you anon!

I haven't interviewed in so long… thankfully I feel pretty confident bullshitting my way through them and also have a lot of interview prep notes that I prepared during last year's job hunting so I'll review some of those!

No. 506100

>>505927
bank anon again.

My interview is scheduled for tomorrow after work! The company is literally down the block from my current job lol.

The recruiting company I'm applying through even sent me a whole pdf packet on how to prepare myself for it. I know it's definitely in their best interest for me to get hired anyway, but giving me as many tools as I can to succeed makes me feel nice too. They even sent me a sample thank you letter to send to the company after the interview is done looool.

No. 508206

Bank anon again. I'm waiting to hear back from the recruiting company, they said they would probably have an answer for me around the end of this week.

I'm sort of anxious and hoping they'll reject me to some extent? I'm worried about having to pay for business formal clothing since it's a bank, and even though the listing said no Japanese language skills were required, I'm still worried about a possible language barrier and that causing miscommunications or mistakes. I've never worked in a super professional office setting before so I don't have that many business formal clothes to begin with. I'm slowly trying to buy more now, but pieces can be really expensive even if they're still technically cheap for what they are. I don't expect fluent no accent English from these people, but one of the interviewers (most likely the person I'd be working under) had a very thick accent and also a bit of a lisp so he was sort of difficult to understand. They were both very reserved and quiet and didn't ask me too many questions at all, almost none about my working abilities outside of "do you know how to use word/excel? do you know how to do scheduling?" They mentioned it would be sort of HR work too, so this position (listed and paid as entry level) would be receptionist/admin assistant/HR/a little bit of accounting? all rolled into one.

A lot of my coworkers at my current job are a bit hesitant about me going for it. Whether they're trying to get me to stay until my full year is up so they don't have to pay to get another receptionist right now or not, I think some of them do have valid points. The HR person at my current job is worried because it sounds like they don't have an HR department at all. It's fine and dandy if I learn HR but who would I even learn under? Would I just be thrown into the shark infested waters that is labor laws and what have you to learn all of it on my own? Who does payroll, do I have to learn to do that too on top of budget and expense reports (former is not a listed duty but the latter is, in the job description)? It's not like I don't think I'm incapable of learning these things, but at the same time I'm worried about learning all of this at once for an entry level position, getting overwhelmed and making mistakes, then getting reprimanded and possibly fired over it. Is this even appropriate for "entry level" or are they just listing all the misc tasks as entry level so they can get away with paying the bare minimum for a bunch of work?

If I get it, turning down a job always feels pretty shitty of me. I'm not super pressed for one at the moment, but I'm scared that another job won't roll around by the time I leave and I'll have wasted my one chance at a full time job. At the same time, I don't know if it's worth it. Part of me thinks "just grit your teeth and bear with it for the experience" but am I actually just a huge sucker willing to take low pay for all this work? I wonder if it's worth trying to get a second interview or asking the recruiter to clarify these things with the company for me before I accept if I'm even offered the job.

I feel like I'm just over thinking things too much but fuuuuuck.

No. 508265

>>508206
Bank-chan, take a deep breath.

You interviewed for an entry position. They know you don't know everything there is to know and that is OK. You will learn new things and yes, probably make mistakes, but nothing at a level that would be disastrous. You will get more important projects as you go up the corporate ladder.

Making mistakes is how one learns. As long as you take them as learning experiences and get better, you will be fine.

As for your current job situation, the one you have, it isn't long term, yeah?

You took an opportunity for a more attractive job. If your current place wants to keep you, they will have to offer you something better.

You are on all accounts in a good situation.

It might be overwhelming right now, but you did your best and took a chance at a promising opportunity!

Keep your cool and things will go well!

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>>508265
Thank you anon, your words mean a lot to me. I think I’m a very capable person and I do want to learn, but I feel so anxious just from the uncertainty of what their office is like (I didn’t get to go in) and also coworkers here sort of spooking me even though I know they mean well. I’m just going to hope for the best like you said!!!!

No. 508287

I just got a full-time internship at a PR tech firm which I'm pretty excited about. And I start in two weeks. I scoped them out on twitter and saw their previous cohort of cute/normie/fancy-looking interns and can't help but think I would stick out. I always look so shabby and frizzy. and I exude nerd vibes. I really want to do well and get a full time position with them though….

No. 508373

okay so what the fuck.

>get invited vi indeed to apply for job for a cafe I've never heard of

>apply for it
>get invited to job interview
>type in address to google maps
>google maps leads me to grocery store with cafe in it
>I assume the cafe is the cafe in the grocery store
>go in and tell them I have interview
>they get super confused, have never heard of the manager I talked to
>I find out the cafe is a cafe on the other side of town
>too late to get there now, I call the number I called before, no one answers, left message asking if I should still go there to interview or what
>they never call back
>google maps fucked me over royally

I feel fucking stupid and embarrassed, fucked myself out of working in a cafe which I have always wanted to do. oh well. I'm just irritated.

No. 508386

I currently work in IT as Service Desk Analyst and have been learning programming on the side. I have a degree that is completely unrelated to both IT and CompSci but lately I've been wanting to get a job in programming. I'm planning to do a CompSci degree (remotely) while working on my programming skills. Is it possible for me to land a job while still doing the degree or do employers specifically look for those who have already graduated?

No. 508971

>>501681
Same anon from this. I'm currently looking for a new job that will allow me to pay off my remaining balance of last semester and keep up with my car payments. I'm honestly done with the place I work at. Today was the last straw and I've realized I hate going to that place now.


Do I have to include my employment history on an application if the skills/tasks aren't relevant to the job I want (I currently work with dogs, the job I want is seasonal reception)?

No. 508980

I have a final interview for a position at a very, very well-known company coming up. The interview structure is basically a dissertation followed by a few rounds of lengthy interviews/challenges.

I'm pretty confident in my skills and apparently got fantastic feedback on the last round of interviews (thought I'd bombed), but I've developed work-related anxiety/panic attacks as a result of a very negative prior experience, and the higher the stakes, the more likely it is that I will have an attack.

Does anyone have experience with this/suggestions on how to overcome it? I've killed every interview I've had elsewhere, but I've elevated this role in my head too much and am afraid that I'll faint or something.

No. 509030

Man, the higher ups at my work are so uncoordinated. They'll basically lie to my supervisor they got something taken care of, in this instance they said they got Friday morning covered because my supervisor wasn't going to be able to come in. Well, what do you know, I get a phonecall Thursday afternoon from the work's main office. No voicemail left, but it's definitely the higher-ups trying to ask me to cover Friday morning.

Another thing, they don't even talk between each other. We had someone train at my site a week ago and after one day she decided she didn't like the hours. She told the scheduling manager she didn't like it and okayed it so she didn't come back. My supervisor called the account manager saying she no called no showed for training and the account manager told him "She's definitely scheduled to come in." Fast forward to this week, we had another higher up come to our site trying to drop off uniforms for the girl who trained for a day. Like, no one told them?

Why does no one talk to each other? It's so frustrating. It's a fucking shit show and I honestly can't wait for our site to get audited and we're under new management. Hopefully it's better than what I've been dealing with for the past 7 months since I started working here. I haven't been under worse management.

No. 509072

>>508386
>>508386
Possible, but you have to build a portfolio and dodge a minefield of HR with worthless degrees who think you need a degree to program.

I'd personally just do a coding bootcamp instead. You'll actually learn something, build a portfolio, and the good camps literally refund you if they can't land you a job after completion. Considering you already have a degree, I don't think it'd be worth it to get another. CS courses are a joke.

No. 509107

>>509072
How are CS courses a joke?! Sure, some may argue that that CS courses are too theoretical, but the application of code is relies on the theories. You need to have CS fundamentals down pat to know what you are doing!

>>508386
That being said, make sure to look at the curriculum thoroughly and ask questions to the school. Or, take a look at Coursera. They do have streams offered by universities (ie. Stanford, and more) for what kind of career you want and will definitely guide you through more than just the code, but also algorothms, data structures, optimization, etc.

No. 509121

>>509107
that anon has no idea what they’re talking about. if you take CS courses and do well, you learn a lot of valuable knowledge. source: everyone i know who studied CS in college is making a very good wage. it’s not even close to my field but i have respect especially for the people who devote their time to truly understanding backend development etc. that shit is really important for a lot of services we use every single day and don’t think twice about.

No. 509880

>>509121
Agreed that getting a theoretical foundation in a field will take you way further than simply learning the techniques (which are much easier to learn when you understand the theory); if you are comfortable working as a front-end developer at a middling company with not much opportunity for growth then maybe a boot camp and portfolio is sufficient, but there will be a limit to how far your career will go.

I've noticed this in my field, which also has people flooding in via bootcamps; the people who are self-taught or have gone to a bootcamp can be great at some of the basic methods, but they don't understand why the methods are constructed as such, struggle to learn new methods, and have trouble solving unusual problems. If you have the time and money to go to school for a field like this then it's worth it to go to school.

No. 509957

How do you anons deal with awkward flirting from supervisors? I've only had 3 jobs since I started working, and they were all at relatively established companies with HR, but I always find what's written in their harassment training is completely different from what actually goes on. I've had at least one creepy manager at every job. My previous manager used to give the women back massages for "morale," play with our hair, look us up and down, etc. One of the women apparently complained because he took it further, and people started talking about she was making it up because she wasn't that pretty anyway. She wound up getting fired later on for something "unrelated."

I've never seen any HR complaints for this shit go anywhere, especially if the manager is well-liked. It seems like the women who do complain get told they're being too serious, manager was just being friendly, etc., then other people also call them liars. Is there a better way to handle this?

No. 510381

I'm finishing my degree in months. Took 5 years. I did an interview and some more insightful questions about my plans and future made me realize I'm completely uinterested in this. Whole day I feel like crying, it's like some blockade in me has been broken. I don't want to do it. What have I done? Why have I kept on going? I should have dropped out in the beginning. If I don't work in the field, my degree is useless. Oh fuck me

No. 510484

>>510381
Hi anon, it's my 5th year at CC and I'm finally transferring. I don't want to get into the reasons why but my life hasn't been easy.
Anyways, it's not a race it's about the journey there. You've made it this far.

No. 510557

>>509957
I guess just don't allow it on yourself. Have a cold and serious attitude and react immediately as soon as any weird behaviour start. Use the Jenna marble "stare at them with a retarded horrified face" technique.

No. 510605

>>509957
Has this happened around other people / with them in earshot? I had a touchy-feely manage once, and what I did was when he put his hand on my shoulder, I said out loud so I was well heard: "Please don't touch me sir, it makes me uncomfortable." Never did since. I honestly think saying something calmly but directly scares them off in my experience, especially if other employees are around.

No. 510608

>>509957
Write an email to yourself every time an inappropriate behavior occurs (detailing said behavior). The timestamps help with credibility in the event of a lawsuit.

No. 511269

>>509880
My professor was talking about this the other day when discussing the importance of understanding algorithms and mathematics. I mean considering engineers and every field steals the hard work from autistic math fags…
But seriously, real world software problems require complex solutions. For example how do you ensure an algorithm will never fail? That's the difference between pajeets and codenonkeys and software engineers.

No. 511902

Girls, I’ve just had a horrible job interview. I feel like the interviewer didn’t even give me a single chance. Is it normally like this? Forgive me if It sounds like whole bunch of whining. I don’t have much experience with interviews.

Firstly, the interviewer hated the fact my resume was only one page. I thought people preferred it that way? And she didn’t like how it doesn’t show my personality and interests too. I thought that was reserved for cover letters?

She didn’t like how my career trajectory doesn’t have much focus. This one, I’ve got to give it to her. It’s true. I have some experience in administration and some in sales. But It’s not like i was being interviewed for a high level position. It was entry level data entry. I tried to spin it my way and said it won’t hurt to have many things one can do. Well, she hated my answer and told me verbatim “doctors don’t go cooking after they finish their surgery”. This analogy seems kind of unfair since my previous experiences were all in one company in the same field as this company that I’m being interviewed for. And doctors can cook too.

Lastly, when asked about my five year plan, I just gave some generic answer like improve my english skills (i’m not from english speaking country and it was one of the job requirements) and maybe study management. Surprise, surprise she hated it too. She lashed out at the kind HR lady who called me for the interview and basically told her that she should’ve never called someone like me for the interview. “Look she wants to be a manager and you called her for a technical position”

Girls, how do I avoid another failure like this? Should I change my resume so it is longer and have ‘more personality’? What is good answer for my lack of career focus? And am I stuck in sales forever because I made a stupid decision once for a higher pay, found out I hated being in sales with every fiber of my being and ultimately ended up quitting my job because of it? I just want to a comfy office job

No. 511918

>>511902
She acted pretty harshly either way, but perhaps your resume could use some tailoring if data entry is what you're after? Seems like she couldn't grasp what you wanted, dhe seemed to think you wanted a supervisor position. If you Google data entry resumes there are some skills you should include in order to make your application look more relevant and focused.
Having a one page resume is ideal, don't make it wordier just to satisfy the tastes of one interviewer.
You shouldn't have to list personality in your resume but you could say things like 'detail oriented' to give an idea about your work ethic. As far as interests go, unless your work and volunteer history are barren and the interests are relevant to the job for experience, there's no reason why they should be anyplace other than your cover letter.
Also don't put your English skills down. Even if you intend to get better assume you're fluent to everyone else and that your skills are fine. It probably spooked the interviewer that she thought your English wasn't developed well yet, after that she probably wasn't really listening and already made a mental note that you were out of the question.
Also you gotta find an answer with direction that fits the 'What is your future plan?' question, it's very common in interviews.

No. 511935

I have an interview tomorrow, and originally I emailed my resume to the business owner. Should I print out another copy to bring with me?

No. 511939

>>511935
yes. even if you don't end up needing it, it's always better to come prepared just in case.

No. 511946

I got an offer to make over $150K USD which is almost three times what I make currently (software developer). I have a lot of ethics-related problems with the company so I will probably turn it down. I have until Tuesday to decide. Just a little worried I'll regret it. I already practically live on 60-70% of my income because I just don't need or want anything beyond that, so I wouldn't feel anything about the extra money coming in.

No. 511949

>>511946
Oh my god take the damn job. "Ethics" lmao.
Meanwhile people work at shit mills like Wal Mart for $7.25 an hour.

No. 511951

>>511949
>take the damn job.
Did you miss the part where I already live on 60-70% of what I make currently?

>"Ethics" lmao.

I'm lucky enough to be in a position to exercise my principles. It is a privilege to be able to say "no" to so much money.

>people work at shit mills like Wal Mart for $7.25 an hour.

Because they have to. I don't look down on them for that. It's an unfortunate consequence of the world we live in.

No. 511954

>>511951
So invest the money miss privilege.
What are these big ethical conundrums anyway?

No. 511957

>>511946
Can you get into the specifics?

No. 511966

>>511951
I would say if you're content and comfortable with your salary then stick to it. When you're unhappy with the culture of your workspace you'll be miserable even with good pay. I've had that. The money doesn't offset the annoyance with having to put up with a place you hate going to everyday.

No. 511975

>>511966
agreed. im wage cucking myself for 10$ hr overnight but i like the work, its easy and its the best for my anxiety. just thinking about suffering through something i hated just for a check is miserable.

>>511946
you just had some salty poor anons get pissy at you. do whats best for you

No. 511976

>>511939
I think I’ll put the PDF on my tablet and bring that in. I had put on my resume that I do graphic design do they might want to see my work or something.

I’m just a little nervous because it’s a local cafe job and I work in retail. I’ve never had a food job besides washing dishes and scooping ice cream cones but I hope they might be willing to train me.

No. 512011

>>511954
They are notoriously disrespectful of their users' privacy. I'm sure you can figure out what it is.

>>511957
See above.

>>511966
>>511975
Thanks, anons.

No. 512013

>>512011
…Google? Lol!

No. 512040

I'm majoring in CS. I'm worried about entering a male dominated field. Have any anons in any male dominant fields experienced difficulties with others for being one or of a few women at your workplace?

No. 512076

>>512040
Yes, unfortunately. I really like where I'm at in my work now – I work with people I really like, and even though it's in a male-dominated place, they're good dudes who have worked hard to do better and have the backs of the women in our office. It's a much, much better situation than others I've been in.

But the bullshit is still there. There are just so, so many men who don't treat me like a real equal in terms of work/knowledge. So much of the time it's not obvious, and you know they think of themselves as woke, feminist, not a mansplainer, whatever, but it's still the automatic default in how they treat me. So often I feel like men in my field treat me like this audience they have to perform their genius in front of, rather than a colleague they should collaborate with. I've gotten better about saying "yes, I know that," but 1. it's EXHAUSTING having to do that all the time, and 2. sometimes they get pissy, and even though I know I'm justified in telling them, it can be…easier to not, because then their hurt feelings become my problem. Which is of course bullshit but it's still a choice I find myself making. But I'm never not aware of the bullshit unfairness of it.

That and being sexualized are the biggest problems. The guys in my office don't do this to me, thank GOD (or if they do they keep it to themselves), but in the field in general…yeah. Even if it's not the most horrible stuff, you can tell when a dude is making you into his fantasy girlfriend, when he's totally unable to view you as another person in your field. The anxiety of it, hoping he'll stop, hoping he won't get creepy about it, all of that, is so draining.

But I stay here because I love the work. And I have found wonderful people within it. If I can offer you any piece of advice, it's to seek out other women in your field. I was always the girl who mostly hung around with guys growing up, it did not come naturally to me, but having female friends has been crucial. And if you can, older women – they can help you out and teach you and provide mentorship you never have to be worry is going to turn into something creepy.

No. 512084

>>512040
I'm >>511946. I've never experienced any sexism in undergrad or otherwise. Make sure you take a good look at team culture before joining a company. Honestly though, if you're legitimately good at your job, you will be treated as such. The only bad part is that if you fuck up it'll be held against you more. So basically don't fuck things up and you'll be good

No. 512105

>>512013
sounds more like facebook to me

No. 512182

>>469216
Tips on interviews? 1 to 1 and group? I hate interviewing. It makes me so nervous and I get mini panic attacks. I have to cover it up with a smile and pretend to act normal. I wonder if the interviewers ever spot my anxiety? I think I hide it well because I got three internships. Im pretty sure I only got them because my grades are good and my resume is impressive, not because of my lovely first impressions and eloquence. Fuck, I blab so much I wonder if anything I say makes sense to them.

No. 512212

Everyone told me when I was in college that I would have no trouble finding a job with my major (CS) but I have literally been looking for a job for months and no one wants to hire me. I'm seriously considering going and getting a masters and trying again after that.

Any SWE anons have any tips?

No. 512221

>>512212

Apply, apply, apply. And I don’t mean just flinging you’re resume everywhere (but also do that) are you:

1. Doing ranked coding exams on leetcode or hacker rank?
2. Going to tech meet-ups in your area and volunteering or socializing?
3. Writing small portfolio pieces and posting on github often?
4. Taking online courses on things you see are top skills so you can be more competitive?

Apply to stuff you’re not qualified for, and look for startups. It’s not enough to have a degree anymore.

No. 512256

>>512212
You need a portfolio not just a degree.

No. 512374

>>512084
>>512076
Thanks for the inputs, anons. I think the only thing I'm weary of now is troons who try to get validation by befriending women. Basically one of those people that really want to be your friend and can't take the hint that you're disinterested when you don't entertain their attempts at convo. I hear so much of it from people venting about it online. I might be safe if I can find a job in my conservative home state here. Maybe.

No. 512384

I just got my offer letter and have a start date for a new position but I'm terrified I won't make it past my 90 days.. it's for a research position in the field I currently work in but it's nothing I went to school for or have a degree in (optometry). I'm so nervous that I won't be able to do the critical thinking required or take notes well or something. I have horrid memory problems (that I really want to look into but I don't have insurance) and I'm actually pretty lazy and unmotivated but I interview very well, so I'm scared I just scammed this place. The current office I work at is literally across the street from where I'm staying, and I'm moving an hour away and will have a 30min commute, so I'm basically uprooting my life for this.

How on Earth do I psyche myself up for this job? It's the first real big kid job I've had, with a proper company, and I really don't want to screw it up.

No. 512407

I got the job I always wanted and am giving my two weeks notice today, but I really don't want to honor it. I really want to just lose it on management then scream, "I quit!" in their faces and storm out never to return. I won't, but the fantasy's still there.

Any anons ever quit work in a burst of rage and glory? Or know someone who did?

No. 512409

Moved to a new country recently, and because of visa status and limitations I needed to find a job quick.
Applied to lush, and didn’t get the job.
Applied to a prestigious University and got the job.
Even though my ego still hurts with the whole Lush thing, I’m making 3x what I would've made there. I’m proud of myself in a lot of ways.
Don’t give up friends.

No. 512432

>>512409
I would like to get a job in a college. I don’t see myself ever becoming an educator but I just enjoy the atmosphere of a nice school.

No. 512436

>>512409
When it comes to retail, it's really about making yourself out to be a yes man and sales drone while coming off as aloof enough for management to exploit.
Individuals with qualifications who make it clear they're not desperate for the job, or that they may overtake(!) current management are never considered lol.

No. 512443

>>512384
First, congrats anon! Second, deep breaths! I'm sure you'll do fine. Give yourself some time to adjust. I used to think 'fake it til you make it' wasn't really a thing in the workplace but people just get really fucking good at hiding their incompetence. Don't be afraid to ask for help or clarification. I mean, they must have seen that you don't have the proper background for it based on your resume/interview, so they probably just liked you as a person/how you presented yourself in the interview and thought of you as someone worth taking on even if it means having to teach you some of the stuff.

I believe in you anon! Go there and do your best! I hope everything works out wonderfully for you at your new job.

No. 512529

>>512407
Yes, but the reason this person quit and how it got to that point just made him out to be a drama queen. You wouldn't have to "quit" if you had watched where you were going, didn't walk into a pole and end up in a hospital for a week. Lol, the people who deal in theatrics do so for a reason.

Are you leaving a job that has no connection to your new one? If you're going to burn a bridge, just quit and never come back. I considered doing this myself, but I would hate myself for doing it, so two weeks notice it was.

No. 512775

>>512432
I’m not in education, and don’t plan on it. I am in the Faculty department, and it’s really easy to move around through different Faculties, and management!

No. 513660

i have a bachelors degree but i also have really intense social anxiety, even through the phone, and i cant fuckin remember anything ive ever done in my entire life. i keep bombing these job interviews and i don't know what to do. is there any job that doesn't require any social skills whatsoever or is there a way to get better at this shit

No. 513964

Would it look weird or bad for me to apply to multiple similar administrative positions within one university? I've read before that applying for a lot of positions within the same company can look bad, but the positions I'm applying for are all for different schools/departments within those schools and the university itself is pretty big. Just don't want to shoot myself in the foot but also want to give myself the best chance…

No. 513974

>>513964
are you a student at the university too?

No. 513986

>>513660
Interviews are particularly scary and cause even normal people without social anxiety to become very anxious and mess up, so working up to being good at them probably needs a lot of intermediate steps, like exposure therapy to becoming comfortable with low-pressure small public interactions, small talk with strangers, meeting new people, placing orders and making appointments on the phone etc.

No. 513988

>>513974
I'm not

No. 514156

>>513986
>>513660
If interview anxiety is bad enough where you're sabotaging your chances of ever getting a job, it's possible to go a medical route so long as you understand how what you're taking affects you beforehand.

Before job interviews I'm nervous about, I take a propanolol or some kava extract in order to prevent/lessen an autonomic response. Before job interviews that I'm extremely nervous about, I take one of those plus .1mg clonazepam to prevent my thoughts from racing/brain from emptying. It's not ideal but it does the job.

If it's an issue that extends to a work environment in general, yeah, you should probably see a CBT therapist and sort out your issues.

No. 514159

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i walked out of my job back in december since i couldn't fukcing take how the company was treating me. been vibin off of my fafsa money (+ money i've saved up) since then but i'm really not looking forward for another position as a barista while being screamed at by karens all day.

No. 514271

I always wanted a part time job to support myself and try to not be too dependent on my parents while practicing my art so i can take up commissions later this year. When i was looking for one, there wasn't many options to choose from except for this job where u have to wake up very early in the morning to sell juices. Later on, i found out a place near where i live that offer the same hourly wage and you dont have to stand on the side of the road and sniff dust every time, i was trying to quit the juice selling job but they told me because i had finished my training program u have to work for another week just to get your salary. I just dont know if i could work for another week with the hot ass weather where im from but im very eager to work at that new place where you can work at any hour of the day and its air-conditioned lol.

No. 514273

>>514271
that's illegal, anon. quit and threaten to sue them if they don't pay.

No. 514279

Hired and fired 3 times from a damn call center,how embarrassing,I hate how the country I live in demonizes quiet or introverted people (like me) whilst extroverts get all the support,I just feel terrible damn I could have been paid $400 by now

No. 514286

>>514279
>fired 3 times
>it’s because i’m an introvert
no it’s because you’re clearly incompetent as shit wtf. how have you self-described “”””introverts”””” managed to convince yourself that this bullshit “personality trait” is the reason why you fail at everything you do when in reality it’s bc you constantly make excuses for yourself

No. 514288

>>514279
Anon… get help

No. 514292

>>514273
Its a 6 day training program ( 3 days of training and 3 days of try-outs), when i ask the manager she told me its against company's policy to pay me for just participate in the program even though they said PAID training programs and even insisted me on working for another week. I really want to rage quit though…we just dont have good policies around these kind of fickle situations and part timers usually take the hit most of the time. At the same time i kinda want to left this job with less noise as possible, i dont want to be a doormat but u felt like its not worth it dealing with these people.
But thank you anon, your comment really snap me out of this shitty situation, ill keep u updated.

No. 514307

I'm a contract employee in an office. Been here since November, contract is up in May.
Anyway with one supervisor I thought I'd been building a decent rapport with. Been sending him updates and a breakdown of hours spent weekly on certain projects. Haven't been reprimanded in any way.
Anyway he approached me last week to say that a different supervisor had been wanting to talk with me to see if I was familiar with a program to start another project. I wasn't but there wasn't anything I couldn't learn. I waited last week for her to talk with me but she never did.

I popped my head in her office on my way out to ask her how she had been and if she had been meaning to talk to me about aforementioned program. She apologized and said she found someone else to do it, since my contract was going to be up in a few months and she didn't want to have to retrain.


…Gee. Sounds like they're gonna renew my contract huh? /s No wonder I've felt ignored and been given unimportant work no one else wants to do.
Guess I better start looking for new employment soon. I just feel bad cause this was a sweet chill gig.

No. 514319

>>514286
If I was truly incompetent they would have never hired me to begin with you dumbfuck,passing various Psychological tests and evaluations
Taking calls for a while, at least I managed to do that,you would have not even survived at where I live at,I bet you work at McDonald's

No. 514338

>>514319
Yeah don't listen to that anon, they don't get it. Call centers are hell. I'm not even introverted and yet even I struggled so badly with constantly having to deal with attitude and verbal abuse with a smile in my voice. Not to mention the metrics and sales.
I held that job for a few years until I couldn't take anymore, but had I not accrued paid time off and could get people to take shifts, I would have quit in the first year.
I've worked retail and I'd pick those jobs over call center work again. Absolutely inhuman.

No. 514349

>>514319
I don't fully agree with that anon but I agree that getting fired because you're introvert is a strange conclusion/reasoning. Your country isn't demonizing introverts because you chose a job that requires qualities/skills that generally come more natural to extroverts. Choose a job that fits your introvert personality.

No. 514384

I work at a rehabilitation hospital and today when I was working one of the inpatients there asked if I was willing to date a tetraplegic like him, I felt a bit awkward and told him that I wasn't looking into dating yet and that I didn't have time for it because of my schooling and left him after talking a bit about the big bang series that he was watching.

Could any of you guys help on what to do afterwards? I don't want thing awkward between us because of this as there isn't anything to do if it does as I can't leave and so can't he.

I don't want to hurt his feelings or anything as he's a bit depressed as he got into a work related accidents just a couple of in weeks from arriving in my country which language he does not speak along with having no one at his side and coming to terms with his tertaplegia.

I'm not sure wheather he was just asking my general opinion about dating disabled people or if he was asking if I was willing to date him because of the way he is.
As there has been a few signs that I felt was stepping over the line between a patient and an assistant nurse
>Dirty jokes as in you're making me wet when I'm adujsting his water bottle, when tending to his suprapubic catheter he said something i don't really remember but I replied that it was (the hole) small and he said ouch as in his penis and more but I have pretty bad memory and don't remeber all of it
>As of today while I was helping him eat, I had to cough and told him that I had a bit of a sore throat and felt very hot at the moment and it ended up somehow with him repeating the words that I was single and hot, repeatedly.

Now I have to admitt that I'm not the best at communication and just tend agree with everything or just keep silent when it's not a professional converstaion as I tend to keep it short as I'm an introverted person and tend to be non confrontal.

And this might be racist or not I don't really know but I just want to date guys that are from my country for the sole reason to get better at my mother tongue as I'm not great at it and that he was ten years older then me and I just do not find him attractive at all as I solely viewed him as a patient

No. 514385

>>514384

I don't know your circumstances or your country but you need to let your manager know about this .

He is obviously suffering but he is over stepping the mark and you need to be moved to another patient if at all possible . As tragic as it is for him , his sexual appetite or need for companionship is not your concern .

No. 514387

>>514384
Oh anon you need to be stricter. You also need to look like you're very sure of yourself next time he does something like this. I think your answer about dating was good but don't explain yourself, if he asks you again just say "No, I don't want to date anyone right now". If he asks why, that's not his business.
Next time he is saying some weird sexual stuff, a very serious "Excuse me ?" (almost) always works. It's my go to reaction because they either repeat themselves so the effect is lost, explain and dig themselves deeper or realize you will not be treated this way.

Like the other anon said, you also should tell a superior about this.

No. 514388

>>514384
Anon, you seem sweet but you need to tell your sup and either do the "excuse me?" Or just repeat the off the line remarks back to him if he makes more of them. Also about the dating thing, if it ever comes up, maybe state the fact that there's billions of people here, of course someone would date his disabled ass.

No. 514390

>>514319
nice try, but a call center was my second ever job when i was just a literal teen and wanted weed money and even i managed to hold that down until i felt like switching it up for something different. now i’m in the middle of an actual career. of course it’d make you feel better to pretend everyone who’s sick of your shit is below you but in reality it feels like the opposite from the way you’ve managed to convince yourself your poor uwu introversion is the reason you got fired. please stop acting like sitting on your ass answering phones is some insanely hard task nobody could ever muster, just because you can’t handle real life doesn’t mean everyone else can’t too

No. 514412

>>514390
call centers legally can't hire teens.

No. 514466

So after jobseeking for a year in a foreign country I got a second interview, the first time that's happened. I came off as competent over the phone, but I generally don't vibe with people and this will be the second interview I've had in my life for an actual qualified position.

I'm a little overqualified for this, but it's with one of the biggest companies in my field. But it's a job working in more challenging conditions. And I'm expected to be tied to it for 2 years. It's also very rote, unimaginative work vs. what I could be potentially doing (like research). Key word is "potentially" though because in a year nobody else has given me a chance. It is in theory kind of rewarding work. On one hand I want to be a bit picky because you know, I worked hard for those degrees. On the other how fucking privileged am I to be considering my satisfaction in all this? And I mean if I break off before the 2 years won't I be ruined in terms of prospects? I'm so unfamiliar with the actual professional world.

No. 514534

I'm 21 and I work at target I've begun to hate my life because I cannot find another job and this job drains me. My mother kicked me out at 16 so I've never had the chance to go to college or save money. I just got my license finally so I'm just trying my best to catch up. I don't really have support but I'm wondering if I should try a cleaning job. I really enjoy doing tasks and finishing them without customers or a boss looming over me. I feel like I have no future though because I've only worked retail jobs and I feel like this is my "end". I don't think I'll ever be able to get an actual job because I have to catch up to others.

No. 514539

>>514534
It's easier said than done, but please don't give anon. You were dealt a shitty hand of cards but that doesn't mean you can't live a comfortable life down the line. I have a friend who had to move out around the same time you did, she moved cities and worked here and there until she caught her big "break" working an entry level job in her preferred field (arts/media) and now she's got a pretty comfy position that's pretty close to her dream job. She never went to college either. I graduated university about 2 years ago and worked retail up until a few months ago until I caught a lucky break and now work in an office (not in my field tho. pretty much wasted time/money going to uni but whatever lol live and learn, I guess).

Shit is hard, and it fucking sucks. I can only hope that things will look up for you one day. Definitely try for a cleaning job! The cleaning people at my old retail store and at my current office building get paid BIG BUCKS because they're union workers, but their work isn't terrible and is definitely worth the pay (I don't want to say it's easy because I worked at a big retail store and the bathrooms were hot garbage, but they got paid like $90k USD lol. The cleaning people at my current job only have to change out the garbage bags, they don't even clean the floors or anything unless we specifically put in a request for it). Try it out anon! I hope you'll land something good.

No. 514540

>>514534
Work as much as you can to get yourself into a position where you can at least take community college courses or some type of training, even if you can't do a full load while you work, no matter how long it'll take. No dead end unskilled retail or cleaning job is ever going to make you happy or put you in a good position. The only reason to job hop at that level is if your coworkers/managers are making your life active hell or you can get a higher wage somewhere else.

From am outsiders perspective, Target employees seem more grounded and like they're at least not miserable at work than employees at other retail stores I've seen. If I had to work retail that would be on my list of places to apply.

No. 514659

what are some jobs that could some day lead to steady employment and also possibly travel? i need something more adult than being a server and working at target.

No. 514678

>>514659
game testing

No. 514724

I just sent my (mediocre, I reckon) CV for three different museums and I hope at least one of them get back to me. I am so tired of being unemployed, especially now that I've graduated. I hate feeling like a parasite neet.

No. 515087

>>514659
Could you do a trade?

No. 515149

>>508980
The update that nobody asked for: I didn't pass out and in fact got an offer!

It was only four years ago that I was essentially an alcoholic, anxiety-crippled NEET who had dropped out of grad school, and now I will be making 170k at one of the most desirable companies to work for. It just goes to show how quickly life can change, even beginning from a situation that feels hopeless.

No. 515156

>>515149
That’s awesome anon, congratulations!

No. 515164

>>515156
Thanks!
It may not be much coming from a stranger on a gossip imageboard, but I hope that everyone who is struggling to find a job or enter a new field ITT can find some hope that this will soon pass- once you enter your first position, even if it's a shitty contract job, the doors will open.

As far as getting your first offer, I've found that displaying that you are passionate about the field and eager to learn goes a LONG way and will make you eligible for opportunities that you are otherwise less qualified for compared to other applicants. From what I've heard from some hiring managers, apparently personalizing your cover letter for each role is something that is surprisingly rare and helps you get a first interview as well.

No. 515180

Calling off for work is so difficult. Not the actually making the call part, but giving them the reason why you're not going to be able to come in. I had car issues and they sounded like they were just already done with me. "You're not going to be able to get that finished before you have to come in?" "No, it won't be finished before then." "Sigh… Okay, I will tell them," and he hangs up right away. This isn't even anybody I work with, isn't this part of their job? Why do they act like that?
A few hours later I got a call from the scheduling manager asking me to come in early tomorrow and I agreed since I missed a day of work, then not even a minute later I get a call from him again saying to forget about it and before I could say anything back, he just hangs up.

No. 515340

Does anyone have any info on best places for biotech or neuro research? Situation's changed and my prospects have massively widened.

No. 515349

>>515149
Mind me asking what it is you do that makes you 170k a year?

No. 515593

I can't wait for it to be summer so I can get a temp job and make some buck$. I hope I find a cool luxury shop that needs Japanese speaking motherfuckers like me, they pay so much.

No. 515639

>>515349
Full disclosure: it's total comp and my new salary is much higher than average for someone with my level of experience (certain employers are known for paying incredibly well), though you can easily make 80-100k base salary entering the field with a master's degree. I don't want to attach the exact title to my story out of paranoia, but it's basically a field of applied science/research.

No. 516469

I just got a job offer for the place I was interviewed at a week ago, but the owner said the hours will wind up being different than what was initially posted. The listing said 30 hours and now they’ve specified it’s more like 27-35, and I would start a little over a month from now.

I’m a little nervous about accepting it because it’s a job at a cafe and I have no food experience, but I really like the atmosphere of the place and their working hours are really good. I just hope I can learn and do everything right considering they want me to be there full-time.

No. 516484

>>516469
Congrats on the job, anon!! Give yourself time to settle in and adjust, you'll get the hang of it eventually and I'm sure you'll do just great there! Good luck!

No. 516630

Has anyone ever moved abroad to teach English in a non-English speaking country?

Let me know your honest experiences, trying to figure out whether I want to take the risk and do this before I get too old/comfortable in my current situation.

I'm from UK. Thinking I'd like to go to work in Asia for 6 months to a year. Particularly South Korea; I've been briefly to Vietnam and Cambodia on holidays, so want to try somewhere a bit different.

No. 516647

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i work as a circulation clerk at a county library. i like the job itself, but cannot stand management. they enact the dumbest fucking policies and try too hard to pretend that they give a fuck about us. i live right on the border of two counties and i'm considering quitting and working for the other county because they pay more + give more hours but i have to impatiently wait for an opening. the other county has less human interaction too (greater focus on shelving + self check out kiosks). i just want a job that doesn't piss me off until i finish my MA to find a better job. realistically i know i should stick it out but goddamn

No. 517019

>>516630
there’s a subreddit for south korea /teaching inkorea , lurk on there if you haven’t already and you’ll get some good insights. i’m currently applying for an english teaching program in korea so i’m not sure how it’s going to turn out but i have been living here for over a year already

No. 517073

>>517019
Nta but how is your experience there so far?

No. 517217

currently a NEET. have a job interview on monday with tarjay. I want this job so fucking bad, but am so afraid I'm going to fuck up the interview. I interviewed with them before twice and fucked it up.

No. 517280

>>517217
Good luck anon

No. 517286

>>517217
Seconding the good luck. Just try to seem present during the interview, if that makes sense. Nerves are fine but try to make eye contact if possible.

No. 517313

>>517217
Just basically suck their/the customers dick. They love that shit. Focus on the interviewer. If you talk with your hands a lot take a pen or note book to hold onto - some interviewers don't like it when people talk with their hands. Act genuinely interested in the role you've applied for even if you don't want to do it 100% It's what has worked for me in the past. I just pretend I am confident (I'm not really) and that I'm the best person for the job and use my interview to try and convince them to hire me, instead of it being a dynamic where I am begging them for work. You got this, anon.

No. 518082

I hate myself so fucking much.

I am working at a low paying, shitty company in a position I hate. I took this job because I thought of it as a temporary solution while I find out what I REALLY wanted to do and also because I had no other options with a useless humanities degree. Cut to 3 years later, I learned absolutely no new skills, am on the verge of a burnout, and while I found a field that seems interesting to me (UX), I lack the basic self-discipline (or the creativity) to build a fucking portfolio plus it's becoming an oversaturated field anyway so there's no way anyone would employ me. I feel like there's no hope

No. 518502

Just got invited to my first job interview ever in this bakery shop next week and I'm so happy that they picked me and asked me to come and meet them, but also feel like panicking and like I'm about to cry, because I've never been to one before and tend to fuck things up. I speak German and English fluently and they expect absolutely perfect German skills from me and it should be no problem for me too, but the thing is that I tend to make grammatical mistakes from time to time or talk before I think (because I get too nervous) and then end up sounding absolutely fucking stupid and like I only started learning German a few years ago. It's so pathetic and it's only a week away but I'm already freaking out so much. I genuinely know my voice will end up shaking and making myself sound all nervous and stupid. I do have a friendly appearance and smile a lot, but I'm still so scared of them saying no to me.

No. 518649

>>518502
See >>514156 if you're willing to go the medical route for it.

However, you should also keep in mind that the people interviewing you know that interviews are nerve-wracking and (if they're in an organization worth working for) won't hold it against you unless you are completely unable to function or can't demonstrate that you're qualified for the job.

If you come off as friendly then you could joke about how you're nervous towards the beginning of the interview; ime that helps with relaxation and helps interviewers connect the dots if you are visibly anxious. I did this during my last two on-site interviews and got an offer from both. You may also find that you start to relax once you get there and start talking. Unless you do end up having a trainwreck interview, the days leading up to the interview are by far the worst because you have a bunch of 'what ifs' swirling around in your head and you are anxious at the possibility of being anxious. Actually starting the interview can be like gently releasing a pressure valve.

One more thing- you're probably going to be told 'no' at some point in your career, probably more than once; it's something that you can't take too personally. Even the most talented and experienced professionals get rejected, and most of the time it's just that the candidate isn't a good fit for the role, or that another candidate is a better fit.

Good luck, anon!

No. 518837

I'm job hunting and I feel like it's slowly draining me and making me conteplate just offing myself entirely beause I don't even know what to do anymore.

I've split my applications half between entry level positions at media companies (either admin work or something relevant to what I want to actually do like assistant producer or something) and just regular admin position at whatever company's posting pops up. It feels like such a drain. I finally got out of retail and got this temp admin position and thought that this was the first step that I needed to finally settle into a boring but safe position, but no matter what, I feel like I never get any responses back because I'm still lacking in job experience. I can't get a job in the field I want because I have zero experience, and I can't get a job doing safe admin work because I have minimal experience for that too! I can't win. I'm so tired, I hate job hunting. I hate seeing the days tick by, seeing my inbox empty of responses, the impending feeling of doom that approaches because my time at my company is almost over.

No. 518867

I feel so depressed about having to work when so many stay at home moms get more for doing less. A lot of them don't even have children ffs. How do I overcome these feelings?

No. 518868

>>518867
>stay at home moms
>a lot of them don't even have children

pick one, anon.

No. 518869

>>518868
Sorry I'm sleep deprived. I mean stay at home wives/girlfriends. There are a lot of NEETs here with decent boyfriends who provide for them.

No. 518880

>>518867
I've noticed this too, a lot of live-in gfs that don't work, if it makes you feel any better some of these posters have been in the advice threads cos they are pretty much stuck with the guy because they are financially dependant on him. I wouldn't swap lives with them

No. 518886

>>518867
They're absolutely lazy cunts, yes. I have friends like that and it's true.
BUT anon, they have zero independence and literally are in no position to make any decisions. They are at the mercy of their husbands or boyfriends. If the men are doing well, things are great. Yet when they're doing bad, those women receive the brunt of their blame and agitation. Women like that are extremely vulnerable when things get ugly.

Friend #1 developed a health condition that she pretty much extrapolated and exploited in order to quit her barista job. Her boyfriend-now fiance couldn't handle the sudden financial pressure at the time. He was already being a shit but that sent him spiraling with crazed behavior, you know how men get when they get strapped with responsibilities. The friend stayed at my place until he calmed down, but it was annoying because she couldn't drive and was unemployed. I remember her complaining about my one bedroom apartment I shared with my ex, because she was so spoiled from having a house ergo more space to throw her things around. Anyway they got back together because they're in their 30s and were too panicked to be single. She was jobless for a spell but it could not continue for long. He forced her to get a job where he works so he could supervise her and not have to commute her to a separate job. Sounds like hell to me. She still can't ever go anywhere or buy anything on a whim.

Friend #2 lives with her husband and also doesn't really work. Sometimes she'll have hobby related side gigs but never enough to pull income. She at least can drive herself and has her own car that's paid off. It seems nice that she has so much time for random nonsense and hobbies, but her husband is an alcoholic toad and she's told me as much. He yells and screams like a manchild. She's also hinted that he cheats while he is on business trips, which I wouldn't doubt.

I'd hate to be in their positions. Imagine feeling forced to live with and marry people because there wasn't another realistic choice.
The reality is while work is a shitshow, our financial independence is tremendously valuable to our happiness. Make no mistake, men seek out those women on purpose for how easily controllable they are.

No. 518890

>>518867
It only works when the man isn't an abusive shithead. So, not often. You have to be lucky enough to find a guy who truly loves you and is a decent person. These types of men are actually happy to provide for their gfs/wives, and don't get bitter over it.

No. 518892

I've applied for pretty much everything in my town except dish washing and can't get a job. I had an interview at a resort and thought the interview went really well, but I just got the rejection email. I feel so discouraged. I am working online teaching English but that barely earns me any money. If I get rejected by the JET program (find out in April) I'm really going to shit myself with rage.

No. 518992

>>518886
Yeah, if you want to live the housewife life then not only are you contributing absolutely nothing to society (unless you do have kids, in which case once they're in school you're contributing nothing that a working parent couldn't do), but you're leaving yourself vulnerable to the whims of your partner, who probably won't respect you or be able to relate to you because you're probably a lazy piece of shit who's opted out of a major part of adult life.

I have zero sympathy for anybody who willingly chooses to be a parasite and ends up ruining their lives over it and somehow even less sympathy for those who make that decision against the wishes of their partner.

No. 519100

>>518892
What's the company that you teach English for, anon? I'm looking for a side job that I could do from home

No. 519150

I am FUCKING LIVID, I'm MAD AS FUCKING HELL
This reads as a rant, but I promise it's ontopic

My company is changing buildings, it was supposed to be a new exciting change, but we got our room assignments and they fucking sucked.
We're all in separate rooms and all of the veteran employees share space with new people which isn't terrible except it's going to be noisy as shit.
I'm stuck inbetween a friend and someone who is super loud, so naturally I asked to switch places so I could feel like I could breathe–
Now I'm on the end, my friend is in the middle (she doesn't give a shit), and 2 seats away is the loud dude

Now, everyone else hates their assignments too, so while we go over the assignments we're allowed to make some changes
This person who is now forever a jerk in my eyes complains that she has to be in a windowless room, so she asks to switch into the room I'm in with my friend
But our boss never put the change I requested in, so now the seating arrangement has it so that I'm back where I started
I complain but then he says "work it out amongst yourselves" and I'm totally fucking screwed because how the fuck am I supposed to convince someone who got everything they asked for
The cherry on top is that she's directly training newer classes of coworkers so
1. She won't be at the desk for at least a week
2. She won't be at the desk consistently because her job has her going off to supervise newer workers

I'm mad as shit and she's not budging, my friend doesn't want to get into it, and my boss doesn't want to hear it even though HE was the one who made the change permanent (AAAAAAND I audibly asked my friend to change in front of everyone)

My first thought was, fuck it, I'll just move her stuff and I'll be the asshole but at least I get what I want–but I really don't want to cause trouble and I hate that I can't get what I want without fucking over someone else
So, I made the decision to move to the room with no windows because at least I'll get some quiet and there's only 1 other person in the room
I want to fucking die because so often I just feel like nobody fucking cares about me

So my question is
How the FUCK do I fight for myself? Without coming off as whiny. I swear, I felt like I had to cry because I was so powerless and unheard. I can't just start a fight because that's not how the real world works.
Nobody fucking listens to me unless they want something from me and I'm ALWAYS getting the short end of the stick
How the FUCKING GOD DAMN SHIT do I fight for myself in a work environment that really doesn't have a lot of options for me?
I'm always commended on how helpful I am whenever someone has a question–this person who got my desk constantly asks me for help and favors but when I want something, dead fucking silence
At most, the last favor I asked her was "can I have a chip?" because I read somewhere asking for small favors is a good way to get people to like you and I wanted to transition into a nice conversation because I'm shy hence the need to figure out how to fight for myself

I'm also suicidal so I might actually end up killing myself over a bunch of small things adding up over the years

No. 519160

>>518992
Having a job isn't the only way to contribute to society and housewives generally aren't lazy unless they are rich

Calm down

No. 519175

>>518992
>then not only are you contributing absolutely nothing to society (unless you do have kids
How brainwashed are you? Learn to think for yourself for once and adopt your own values instead of mindlessly following and parroting what others believe.

I work, but I realize it's a fucking waste of time that drains you. No matter whether you have a degree or not, the matter of the fact most people are going to be stuck at a desk doing trivial shit that barely matters. Not to mention, most people who have children aren't even competent, leading to those children having to pick up the broken pieces later on in life. Hell, a lot of them don't even plan to have children, it's just something that happens because they're irresponsible.

I wish I could fucking be a NEET housewife because then I would have all the time in the world to pursue my hobbies and improve myself. I could live life on my own terms and do whatever the fuck I want. It is truly sad that you believe an individual's value only comes from working and having children. What if they are a wonderful, loving partner? A great friend who is always there to listen and support? That changes and positively impacts others' lives more than being a wagecuck. Get your head out of your ass.

No. 519205

>>519175
Nta but most households need two wages now to keep afloat, even households with without kids.

No. 519310

I like my office job. It's my third month of being a contract hire and the work comes to me pretty easily.

My only problem is that I'm paid hourly and sometimes that interferes. Like no matter how much I ask around, there's never quite enough work to get me through the day so a lot of my anxiety stems from trying to appear busy when I'm not actually.
Worst of all is that I have a cubicle that faces towards the wall where people can sneak up from behind me, including supervisors of course, and see what I'm doing if I'm not working on something which is often. I hate being spotted on my cell phone or browsing, not because I've gotten in trouble per se but because I look lazy and unproductive (even if I'm usually very productive and not having work to do isn't necessarily my fault). I don't have work to do for the fact that I am productive and get things done efficiently. I wish I could just leave but then I wouldn't be paid.

I've thought about getting a desk mirror to solve the sneaking issue, but I can't help that I've got not much to do and yet hours I need to sit in that chair. The coworker in the cubicle that faces mine, looking towards where people walk, is staying late tonight and I hate that. I'm making up hours and I've got 3 more to go. She knows. She knows I don't got shit.
I've offered my help to her but realistically there's nothing she can offer me since her job is so specific and I'm not trained for it.

No. 519350

>>519310
Have you tried one of those screen protectors that obscure computer from people who aren't at the right angle?

As far as appearing busy, you can always try working on some sort of proposal to improve the quality of your work/workplace
Even if it's something small like efficiency in how you move data around

No. 519372

>>519175
>I wish I could fucking be a NEET housewife because then I would have all the time in the world to pursue my hobbies and improve myself.
I mean yeah, that all sounds great and I agree that work fucking sucks. But you are forcing someone else do suffer through work for your sake and that's honestly something I would feel ashamed of. I want the NEET life eventually but I'm gonna do it via financial independence and early retirement so I'm not living the good life off someone else's time and labour.
> What if they are a wonderful, loving partner? A great friend who is always there to listen and support?
This is not equivalent to a paycheque by anyone's standards. You really have to question what sort of man would financially support a woman who isn't even raising kids, and the answer is almost always an abusive, controlling one who doesn't want her to have any independence.

No. 520011

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I have a job shadow tomorrow morning. Extremely nervous despite going to an open-house there prior. I just would like this to turn into an internship opportunity.

It's also my first time getting a job shadow opportunity in general, anyone have any tips? I'm thinking of bringing my laptop just incase but most likely relying on observing and taking notes in a notebook

No. 520031

>>519372

Another variant is a nice dude who is somewhat beta, who grew up with domineering mother, catering to pathological narcissistic women way above their looksmatch, who secretly hates him. I’ve literally seen this irl, I’m also sure that is the dynamic of a lot of tradthot marriages.

No. 520758

I've been trying to get a foot in my dream field (video production/digital media) and just applied to an adult entertainment company because I'm getting pretty desperate. If I got hired, do you guys think it would look bad to future employers that I worked for one, even if it's just on the production side of things?

No. 520768

How can I stop putting all my eggs in one basket when jobseeking?

I've literally only just been referred by a recruitment agent to what is a dream job to me (in industry but still research based in my field of interest), but despite my need to get a job ASAP it's all I'm focused on. I got a message from another agent about a posting she wants to talk to me about and it's so bland and I just dgaf about it. Because I mean my dream graduate job is RIGHT THERE and I feel like I'm wasting everybody's time if I say I want the getting-by job.

No. 520888

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I have an interview tomorrow for a job with a recruitment consultancy. They are going to ask me to do role-play where I essentially try to sell a candidate to a potential employer, they want me to invent my own candidate, their story etc. and think on the fly because the interviewer will try to challenge me… has anyone does anything like this? I am comfortable role-playing but am not comfortable with the idea that I have to imagine a lot of the details because I don't know what really in the realms of the job is conceivable…

No. 520925

>>520768
How bad is their rep, anon? Maybe.

No. 520926

>>520925
Accidentally- 520758*

No. 521002

Due to the very few hours my job is currently giving me (I worked 3 hours this whole week!), I feel like I may have to get a second job in order to pay off my uni debt and other bills now that I make $300-$200 bi-weekly.

I’m considering going back to retail for the extra help since I was forced to shut down my gofundme page and I fear going back to an apathetic and degrading industry.

Are there online options? Online jobs that are legit? Plz help!

No. 521004

>>520926
They don't seem to have a rep at all, I couldn't really find anything on them when googling around. I think they're under a parent company and even information listed on their parent company's website is pretty sparse (they just seem to be a really small company).

No. 521005

>>521002
An anon mentioned it in the vent thread, but why not try dog walking? There's a lot of apps for it out there and you can set your own hours. Not as comfy as an online job, but it's something at least.

No. 521024

>>521005
I live in the hood and anytime I cross by some random dog barks and corners me to gtfo their terf, so highly unlikely.

No. 521127

>>521002
When I was a student I got into cleaning gigs. These are the very best.
It paid super well by hour, there was work a plenty (more than I could take on), you didn't need much training or skills, you were working with virtually no supervisor because cleaning stuff after hours/on you own so pretty independent. I got a gig cleaning at an upper class lady's house once a week (very flexible, not a lot to do because she was tidy and lived alone - bonus she gave me all her expensive clothes / shoes that no longer fitted kek, so cool).
I also got a gig at cleaning offices in banks in the evenings - 4 branches from the same bank. Easiest job ever. I was alone, could pretty much chose when I'd come in after hours, and being an office it was always easy to clean up - hoover the place, mope up, clean desk, dust stuff off, empty bins, done.
I remember making over a 1000 euros a month at one stage. I don't regret having found this as my student job, it was awesome.
Maybe something to look into.

No. 521165

>>520768
Never pursue just one opportunity; you should be applying and interviewing throughout the process. I know it's tough to find anything else interesting when you're applying for your dream job, but if you don't get it then you're back at square one and have to start all over again, with other great opportunities potentially having passed by in the meantime. I've screwed myself over a few times by doing this.

No. 523317

How can I get recruiting companies to get back to me? I feel like every time I apply to one of their positions or just use their general application system, no one ever gets back to me.

No. 523322

>>521002
One of my coworkers said her friend liked working as an after-hours janitor while they were taking college classes.

No. 523344

>>521024
what the fuck does that have to do with anon's suggestion?

No. 523385

>>523322
That's a thing? like I could just be in an empty building and clean?

No. 523651

I can't get my mind off that asheras garden site being a trap. Sometimes I have random panic attacks about the owner doxxing a bunch of users. I can talk myself of it, but im stillparanoid he accesed my webcam or read my hard drive or soemthing

No. 523656

>>523651
Fuck this was suppsoed to be in cofensions.

No. 523717

>>523651
Ok, now I'm curious? What site is this?? What's the backstory? All I can find is some site belonging to a store in Ohio.

No. 523754

>>523717
Lolcow banned gender critical, and PP for a bit, so they had to find a new imageboard. Some one made a site called asherahs.garden
. Someone doxxed the admin reveling they're a male. Some drama about how it was a trap to doxx, get IP and info, pink pilled/gender critical anons (why would a dude make a PP board, they used unsafe code, hiding gender). Think the sited died after that was revealed. I made 2 posts on there and if they were attacked to my name I'd be kind of fucked.
It's a dumb fear, but I'm paranoid he turned on my webcam or went through my hard drive, all unlikely. I think I logged on without a vpn a few times, but didn't post without a VPN. The dude wasn't the best with coding either, acdiently gave ever new and old user an infinite ban, so he couldn't pull off a basic or complex dox. he also used a premade board with very few edits so he'd lack the time/skills to turn it malicious in time for the GC migration.

No. 523813

I've been tailoring cover letters to each position I've been applying for, using a mix of previous cover letters to build off of. I just noticed I had used the wrong word this whole time in one of the lines that I had copied and pasted into how many fucking letters and FUCK ME!!!

No. 524159

I wonder how the coronavirus outbreak will affect the job market

No. 525716

>>524159
In the short term, poorly.

There are quite a few sectors that have decreased income because of it (think hospitality/tourism), so that means lower workforce is needed.

No. 525719

>>523754
> It's a dumb fear, but I'm paranoid he turned on my webcam or went through my hard drive, all unlikely.

What? Websites cannot use webcams unless you explicitly give it permissions, same goes for hard drive.

No. 526080

before the virus i was like, man FUCK working retail at disney. they skimp on hours off-season and the theme park passholes can really wear you down if you're in a fragile mood, little to no part-time worker benefits and my only side hustle is selling clothes online which is so on and off. life felt so unstable and unsecure

but NOW…. NOW. being paid (however little it may be lmao) to stay at home with my pretty weak immune system because my area is closed for at LEAST the rest of march depending on how this all goes… i could have been working retail anywhere else and they might have still been forcing me to come into work under these conditions. feeling very grateful for where i work right now, all things considered, and that i can afford to stay home and will still have some funds for any potential emergencies.

still though, i know i'm one of few lucky ones. i mean for instance they cancelled the ENTIRE disney college program and made all these poor students from out of state try and scramble to find a safe place to return to, among all this chaos it feels so incredibly fucked up/ unfair (and they REALLY made sure to downplay the news about DCP). some of these kids were my friends and coworkers and now i might never see some of them again. any anons who are out of jobs right now i am so sorry and i really feel for you and hope you're able to find the right resources. hang in there

No. 526325

>>526080
I'm job hunting right now and have a feeling that the coronavirus is impacting it negatively, but at the very least I'm glad I'm out of my retail job.

One of my old friends is still there and was saying how they refuse to close the stores. This store is HUGE and very well known, on one of the busiest streets in the middle of NYC, and sees hundreds if not thousands of tourists everyday, but of course management won't close the fucking place. They'd much rather stay open and put their employees (and then the rest of the population!) at risk just for some extra dollars here and there.

No. 527582

Spoke with a lovely recruiter today, and have another phone call with a different one tomorrow. Shit is really tough right now but I'm hoping things will work out, or at the very least, they won't leave me hanging. I've so far only worked with Japanese recruiting companies (have Japan related shit on my resume that I've since minimized/completely taken off) and 99% of them always flake out on me lol.

No. 527621

So the coronavirus has thrown even more of a wrench into my job search. My area hasn't been heavily impacted yet, but a lot of places I applied to said they're now pausing the hiring process. I've only secured about 3 interviews since applying for jobs back in November/December. Even though they went well I was always rejected. Everything really sucks right now and I don't know how to gain experience for basic, entry level jobs in the mean time. Someone told me my 4 year degree might actually make me seem overqualified for entry level jobs (like front desk/receptionist) and the interviewer thinks I'll abandon them at the drop of a hat?? I wish I knew what lies to tell so I could just secure any fucking job. I just feel lost after graduation and don't know what path to take.

No. 527634

>>527621
Not sure where you're located, but I don't think a basic 4 year degree is going to make you look overqualified. On the contrary, a lot of jobs require a college degree now, even if it's just for the most basic bitch office job. Some places don't even give a shit about your major, they just want to see that you have a degree (which is stupid imo).

I wish you the best of luck anon. I'm coming up on 3 years out of college and I still don't know what I want to do, in or out of my field of study.

No. 528574

Pretty sure I'm gonna get shitcanned because of corona. Not because it'll shutter as it's an essential industry, but because I'm a contractor and just not worth keeping as another head to pay. I was on a six month contract that expires in May, I don't think they're gonna renew it and no less offer me direct hire with all the instability and uncertainty. But even before corona got here I felt like I was getting mixed messages, kinda gaslit.
It's basically an admin assist job, I do all the shit in the office no one else wants to do as I'm the lowest on the pyramid and also the youngest (despite being late 20s). I don't mind per se, but the work is easy and unchallenging. I think I'm guilty of doing things "too fast" as I tend to get done with the work in a day or a few when I'm meant to stretch these assignments out a week or two to make it appear like I'm working busy hard. I get compliments like "Wow so fast" and "Amazing" but they feel kind of patronizing over email sometimes, like maybe backhanded. Often I don't have shit to do. I ask around and offer help of course but sometimes people legit don't have anything for me. I get a little embarrassed being seen looking at my phone at my desk, but it's not as if I'm not doing my work. No one ever bothered to train me for a concrete role where I could pull shit to work on, so I'm basically sweeper for most unwanted projects and work. It doesn't help that I'm a contractor so I'm already somewhat treated like a leper separate from the company anyway even though people try to act friendly. In fairness, I've learned lots of transferable skills for my resume but this would be my second contract hire in two years and I'm so sick of having to look for new work and constantly readjust to a new environment with different demands.

I think one corporate suit lady doesn't like me. There's backstory but I don't feel like typing it out. Anyway in no uncertain terms she said how she thinks I'm (wanting to leave?) leaving come my contract end, and she and the ops manager consort so it's got me nervous. He holds the power to renew my contract. The actual operations manager seems to like me but obviously I'm no priority, he forgets about my existence most of the time. He's said stuff like how he needs to put in an order for a desktop add on for me, or this or that which would indicate they want to keep me around, but those things are never followed through with. Busy, or just giving me false hope?

No. 528831

I don't think I'll be able to come to work starting next week until god knows when because my state just went into lockdown. I don't get paid sick leave because I'm only a temp employee, and even though I've been able to get in touch with recruiters, they've also told me things are obviously and understandably slow right now. I'm freaking out because my contract ends in May and even though I've been job searching since the year began, I've come up with nothing. A couple of my coworkers are worried about my situation too and have been trying to nudge the HR director into possibly extending my contract a little bit (the contract is originally a year so they don't have to give me health insurance). I heard the HR girl that I'm sort of close with say that they hired a temp worker as a freelancer so they could keep her and still not pay health insurance and I'm like… can you do that with me too!?! I'm just the receptionist though so I don't think the HR director cares enough to bother trying that. The sentiment of my coworkers trying to nudge the execs to keep me a little bit longer is nice though…

No. 528897

Any other college seniors in here fucked because they can't get a job now? It was hard enough trying to find jobs before corona.

No. 528909

I got fired (more so laid off) just recently today via phone call and am processing it.

No. 528926

>>528897
It's supposed to be my last semester of school and I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing. I'm not even going to bother searching for any jobs unless this coronavirus shit gets any better. There's no point.

No. 528935

Wasn’t Trump-sama gonna give us $1,000 though?

No. 528949

>>528935
In one or two installments not monthly lol. A lot of people don't qualify either. Enjoy your bread crumbs.

No. 528978

>>528909
Sorry anon. Is it because of corona?

No. 529039

>>528978
Probably, but more so because they didn’t have anymore projects from our local county’s records resource and all the data-entry was finished. And I wasn’t a contractor but a direct employee.

I had a feeling I was gonna be let go eventually but chose not to entertain it, Corona-chan just sped up the process.

No. 531664

>>501782
Autistic/Mtf or not, I really appreciated your post and saved it for future reference. All the replies sound like jealous bitches.

No. 531719

When is the right time to apply for jobs?

No. 531767

I hate my job, but I only started three months ago and it'd be the worst time to leave. This is my first full-time job after university and I took it because it was a good company, really good money, and I needed one. The work that I do is so mind-numbing that I procrastinate on doing it. It's easy as fuck and I'm surprised that I (and my coworkers with the same position) get paid this much to do fuck all. There's no real creativity or problem solving skills used here and I'm so fucking frustrated. I feel like a fucking script monkey trying to solve why a test script fails when trying to click on a motherfucking button. A teenager with some programming skills can do my job. Holy fuck. I hate my job.

I don't know what to do. I know it looks bad to leave now (and ofc with the way the economy looks, I'd be a fucking idiot to) or before the one year mark passes. I don't know how to care about the tasks I'm given. It's not interesting nor provoking. I feel like my skills are being left dormant.

Help?

No. 532089

>>531767
I’m going through the same thing right now anon. Assuming the money is that good, stick with it and build a cushion. While you’re wasting time at your current job figure out what steps you need to take to find a job that you love, that also keeps your pockets lined.

That’s what I’m telling myself, anyway. Save up money to study something that interests you.

No. 532328

Hi, anons, I just got an offer from Amazon to work as a virtual tech support associate. They had me submit an i-9 form and are in the process of checking my background. I was wondering if this job is considered an independent contractor, meaning I need to make sure to save enough come tax season next year and possibly file quarterly (probably won't do that considering COVID and this is my first year doing "independent contractor work, so I've read I can be exempt from filing quarterly). It's minimum 40 hours/week. In the contract it says that this offer = employee-at-will, meaning I or Amazon can terminate at any time. Sooo, I assume this income will be taxed like independent contract work? I'm hoping no because I am doing tutoring online on the side, which is another thing I just started this month and is independent contract work. Does anyone have any experience doing remote work with Amazon like this?

No. 532763

>>531719
Coronavirus fucking shit up for everyone aside, the right time is usually "now".

No. 532885

>>531767
>>532089
Can you make a lateral move to another role in the company, or ask your boss if you can take on different/more responsibilities that require creativity?

That said, yeah, the economy is going to be in the shitter for a while and you shouldn't quit without having another offer lined up. You could passively search for a new job while continuing to do what you're currently doing.
>>532328
Are you going to be considered an employee of Amazon or a vendor?

No. 532965

>>532885
Employee, I applied directly on their Amazon jobs/force website under remote or work from home. It's for their tech and Alexa support (I don't even own an alexa lol).

No. 532972

>>532328
You should just ask. To me it doesn’t sound like contract work but when you get your paycheck you can see if they’re taking taxes out for you.

No. 533077

>>532965
Then you are almost certainly a full-time Amazon employee and not a contractor.

No. 533578

I've been rejected for a job I really wanted and needed and the reason was that the employers excepted me to sign the contract for 9 months and fuck off before the end of that period because they completely misunderstood something very simple I told them and this happened before with some of their previous employees. I'm so fucking pissed. I've been given some very stupid reasons to not be hired before like "you'll get bored at work" or "we said several time in the job offer and the previous interviews you had the right degree and experience but we changed our mind lol bye" but that one is the most frustrating so far. I feel like I'm cursed.

No. 534648

>>533578
What would you consider your interviewing and working style to be? It sounds like you have the pedigree and had skills employers want but may be rubbing them the wrong way on a personal level/demonstrating lack of soft skills during the later stages of the interview process.

No. 540394

>>532965
Anon you mind me asking what do you need to get the job. I'm pretty decent with tech and even took a course in IT just never did the test.

No. 544815

Hi. I know this is a long shot, but are there any primary school teachers here? I'm currently volunteering as a tutor for children who need academic help and while I'm happy to do it, I feel a little lost as there are time constraints and some lack of knowledge on my part. I'm going through my state's math curriculum for a second grader and there's a lot that they need to learn, but! the program lasts until May 30. I have talked with my student and it seems like she didn't cover too much of the curriculum during school before covid closures.

My question is: how do I maximize her learning before May 30th? I want to do a good job, but the tutoring sessions are once a week for two hours. On top of that, she's not the strongest at reading, but I feel like as long as she reads on her on, it should be okay. It's just making me anxious that I have to tackle two problems in a short amount of time.

Thank you!

No. 544899

>>544815
prioritization and grouping. If it's not realistic to try and get her to understand each and every content standard, than you have to look at the big ones and prioritize those (usually the ones at the very top of the page). Once they've mastered those, then you can begin grouping smaller standards together as a lot of them overlap in what they want the kid to understand anyway.

No. 544925

I have an interview tomorrow for a position at an international school and I'm nervous/excited because it's the first interview I've been able to land since I started taking my job search more seriously in Autumn. I graduated from a master's program last spring and since September I've been working a couple hours a week as a language course leader. In preparation for the interview I've written down potential questions that are likely to come up and have been practicing my answers. I feel somewhat optimistic that things will work out whether I get selected for the job or not, but also feeling like I'm not good enough. The lack of confidence probably comes from not having worked since before going back to school and also having gone through a a tough divorce while I was studying.

No. 545282

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Has anyone ever heard of Citigate Group before? I got an email today with an application to work from home. I googled if it might be a scam or not but found no results besides their website and LinkedIn account

No. 545383

>>523813
One time I forgot that I attached a cover letter to my resume before sending it out to so many places…I feel this anon

No. 545446

I got hired for a job that starts in two weeks.

I've usually always been the nervous new hire that smiles, says yes to everything, is timid and feel bad when I have demands or wishes, but it has caused me more stress than I need in my past workplaces, so I decided to be more firm and sure of myself this time.

Due to the pandemic everyone has to work from home, so they are going to deliver a work laptop to my door with the necessary tools. I live about an hour and a half away from the office with public transport, 45 minutes with a regular car (which I don't have), so when they asked if I could take the bus to the office and bring the laptop and an extra screen home I stated that we would save time if they could drive it to me instead. Didn't demand it, just told them it would make things easier for me if they could. They've done the same with other new hires, though none of them has lived as far away from the office as I do. They also knew where I lived when they hired me, so it's not like this was an unreasonable thing for me to inquire at all, but I still feel bad. Ugh. I was really close to offering the guy driving to me gas money for the trouble, but another part of me tries to stay relaxed with the fact that if they want me to work there, they should at least provide me with the necessary tools.

I'm super happy that I managed to land a job despite everything going on, though, so maybe I feel ungrateful for not going out of my way to make things easier for them. I just wish I was more confident. Fake it till you make it, I guess.

No. 545451

>>545446
anon, don't feel bad. unless its a mom and pop company they most likely could have spared the money to overnight ship your equipment. if it's a decent company they would most likely be worried about giving you the most positive onboarding experience possible and catering to your needs.

but congrats on the new job! i hope it works out for you. fake it til you make it and work to build your confidence!

No. 545504

>>545451
Thank you, anon <3

It's a quite big international company, so that makes me feel a lot better when you put it like that.

No. 545515

Are any of you receptionists? Is it a good job? Did you have to have experience to get it?

No. 545519

>>545515
I work a very easy receptionist position right now. I say easy because it's slow as fuck at my company, I assume it can be very demanding at other places. I didn't have any prior receptionist experience, but I did work customer facing roles for several years in retail and used that as leverage. My company took a chance on me and I appreciate them for it. They didn't really train me either, just left me to my own devices after explaining where everything was, but it wasn't hard to figure things out.

No. 545525

I'm so scared to go back to work. I usually love working, it gives me a purpose and forces me to have a schedule. But I had to stop for a while once me and my partner moved because I immediately got sick and had to stay home. I've only ever worked with children and was about to really start working in the baking field. Now I'm just mad because the bakery I was going to work under most likely won't reopen when this is all over because of restrictions. I know I can just look somewhere else but since we don't have a car it was right within walking distance. I still make money online by selling crafts and that's at least $700 a month but it's not an ACTUAL job to me.

IDK any other anons feeling kind of useless job wise lately.

No. 556734

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I am looking for advice/help about what I can do with my life. I am currently a 2nd year university student studying Mathematics and Computer Science, and I have no idea what I am going to do with my degree in the future. Since the semester has been coming to an end, I've seeing how there are many old classmates who already have many internships and experience, while I am here not doing anything to advance my future career. I have no interests so looking for what companies or places to intern at is hard and not to mention I also think that I am really under-qualified compared to my other classmates at uni. It's gotten so bad that I've been contemplating suicide because I have no idea what I want to do and being around others is also giving me anxiety because I know that I am under-qualified and have no experience. How can I compete with people who have been studying the same things as me for longer and they actually have connections? Any advice would be helpful. Please help.

No. 556747

>>556734
Didn't you also post this a bunch of times on reddit? Lol

No. 556805

>>556747
nice and helpful! not shitty at all
>>469216
i'm yet to go to college but not everyone is good at this shit and that's okay. it's all so fucking hard and compulsory and i don't even want to do any of the courses i have down. you could try applying for smaller companies just to have something down on your cv. i'm not sure what exactly involves computer science but is there any chance you could do a few nixers online like helping ppl with tech on sites like fiverr (not the site itself but ones like that) and you could sell it as freelance helping people w either maths or computer science. just find something to put down that you've been doing w ur degree and it'll be okay

No. 556817

>>556734
You should have a portfolio with school projects and your personal projects if any. I would think a double major doesn't leave you much time to work on a portfolio but if you can incorporate math into a data science/analysis project, it would give you a leg up on the cs majors who don't have as much math. I don't think it's as common for sophomores to get internships so don't worry and just try to get one next year. If I had to do it over again, I'd do research on campus then an internship or co-op in junior or senior year.

No. 556860

>>556805
Shitty? She's made a dozen thread asking this exact thing on reddit and apparently none of the advice satisfied her.
At this point she needs to talk to a real person about her anxiety. Literally who the fuck knows what their career will be after 2 years of uni. She needs a reality check.

No. 556876

>>556747
>>556860
kek I don't even have a reddit account, but do you have the reddit account link of the person you're talking about or the subreddit they posted on? If they've asked this question many times and have got advice then it would be nice for me to check there. I've been trying to see if people have asked the same things as me on reddit and I couldn't find anything other than people asking if they should major in what I'm studying.

>>556805
That sounds like a good idea! I haven't even thought of that. So far the only jobs I've had are not related at all to my major. I'll star researching some of that stuff up, since even freelance work is proof of experience. Thank you!

>>556817
Thank you for the advice! I was getting really anxious about internships because I know other people in different majors that are already interning and I started to feel so behind. I'll work more on my personal projects because I didn't even think of that as being something I can talk about when getting an internship/job. Thanks again for the advice. It's helped me clear my head a bit.

No. 556889

>>556876
I think something else to keep in mind is that even if you don't get an internship, you'll likely be ok. Maybe your first job won't be at a big company, maybe you'll have to move somewhere, maybe you won't have as high of a salary as you wanted, but you'll find something. Despite claims of over saturation, I don't know of anyone who majored in CS who couldn't find a job within a year, and I've known some pretty stupid people who have gotten degrees. If you aren't the kind of person who has an impressive resume upon graduation, that's ok. You don't have to be super accomplished to get a job you can live off of with a degree.

No. 557050

>>556889
This really helped ease a bit of stress because I feel like I'm too far behind. And since even stupid people that you know have gotten degrees then I shouldn't be that worried since my grades aren't bad and I should just try to branch out more with freelance work/personal projects like the other anons suggested. Thanks!

No. 557162

Why does absolutely everything require prior experience now? I have a university degree and ~3 years of experience in my field but that's not enough for the positions I've been applying to, they all want 5+. I've been looking at really basic part time retail and cleaning positions because I'm desperate, and even those are asking for multiple years of experience. And I don't mean they just put that on the posting to pad it out or whatever, multiple places have given it as the reason for rejecting me. Some of those postings are still up now, months later. What the fuck.



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