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As the title says.
Post experiences, why you can't stand them and such.
This is NOT about your own disorder, so don't blogpost/vent, there's already a thread for that.
This thread is about mental illness you can't stand in others.
Please refrain from coming in this thread and say stupid shit like "Oh that's why nobody likes me" or "Damn seeing this thread as a [thing] sufferer makes me uncomfortable" because nobody will pity you OR to defend a specific disorder because "[thing] people are actually etc etc" because seeing patterns is not illegal. If your disorder gets posted here, cope and hide the thread, don't be a little bitch.
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>>>/ot/1470488 No. 2312259
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Maybe I'm going insane and I know that stress being a key factor in some illnesses can actually harm the body but I hate that type of mental illness (Munchie? Malingerer? Narc?) that makes people fake conditions that had to be there since being born and now they're randomly appearing and somehow people are ok with that, I call it the modern quiet hysteria.
For ex. everyone now claims to be ADHD but to have it, you have to had symptoms since childhood! People are not adhd randomly or just because they fry their brains on tiktok doomscroolling, it's impossible to be a "gifted child" and now being unable to do basic shit but what really grinds my gears are physical conditions that come from trauma. Stress can break down a person, I fucking well know that, stress can make you develop pots but I wonder why the fuck are fakers faking ehlers danlos? To act like the fragile angel better? To have sympathy? And why are these symptoms strangely convenient?
I have ehlers danlos but you cannot develop it due to trauma, trauma doesn't fuck up your connective tissue and muscles but most importantly, unless is wheelchair-bound type of pain, it's not that serious and at the same time, not that easy to live with. Since I was a kid, my joint dislocated easily and my hands frequently got stuck and it was extremely painful but once that was took care of, it was gone. It's not possible to have "dystonia attacks", you always have it, period, and what baffles me it's how clear this is to me but people take a faker's word for granted and nod. Like? It's not that big of a deal, if you manage it and yet I see people that can barely roll their tongue call it "hypermobility" and claim to be disabled. Fuck that.
Kinda unrelated for this, I think that this bitch is faking or making everything bigger than it is. Tourettes, absence seizures and stuff, I can't stand malingerers, I hope they actually get the illness that they oh so love.
No. 2312430
>>2312259My tinfoil is that autism and ADHD became more popular because of… concerned moms? Soccer moms? Karen moms? Idk, you will get the idea.
Some kids are just not the brightest, that's just how they are, but some parents can't be content that being a loud and lazy fuck (at worst; at best, the kid is just not a child prodigy, so, a normal kid) is an inate part of the kid's personality, since they really want a kid genius.
So, they seek out ADHD or autism diagnosis, since it means that the kid can be "fixed" and his/her true potential can be unlocked.
Well, it's not the biggest part, but I think an important one too.
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Bippies love reshaping their own disorders until it means nothing over and over. It's like claiming the new autism while forgetting what the original diagnosis actually is. DID fakerinos will kill to not be considered bippies because it will mean not having cool ocs while bippies want them so bad to justify their mood disruption lol
I've also seen bippies claim to be neurodivergent like which part of personality disorder isn't clear? You can't cure neurodivergency, you can manage it but you can cure a personality disorder with enough talk therapy and coping mechanisms. You can't cure autism by talking and working on trauma response.
No. 2312581
>>2312578Let's say that DID is just over dramatic BPD. They are on different step of the same label but I always find it funny how supposed bippies (most likely self diagnosed) try to insert themselves into many other definitions, like being neurodivergent, because they know the stigma of being bpd and they're not totally like that guize!!!
Yet they cannot comprehend why it's such a shitty disorder with a shittier, well earned reputation.
No. 2312641
>>2312631"No sense of self" doesn't mean that bippies don't experience selves at all. If you go into bippie
victims support communities, everyone will tell how their partner switched personalities once the relationship settled in, "splitting" is the same as "switching". Different styles of attachment doesn't mean shit tbh, it's all about muh twauma and it's both present. DID is not real in the core, meaning that our brain cannot store more than one person, it's just heavy voluntary dissociation with made up characters, who are still part of one and surely not drastically different persons to cope with responsibility. They're the same, just on different levels of dramatization. It's like being stuck at a children phase when you make up imaginary friends to cope and being emotionally stunted is also present in bpd. They overlap creepily but we're not here to discuss the legitimacy of the disorder rather than the ones who suffer from it.
No. 2312668
>>2312574but personality disorders
aren't curable, nona… they can be managed with dedicated commitment to treatment and learning how to healthily cope, at best. That said, DID is utter bullshit for most of the population claiming they have it. It's for bored LARPers who would be better suited taking up acting classes and theater since they love being a variety of main characters.
No. 2312676
>>2312430I agree, a big part of it is parents who won't relax and let kids be dumb kids instead of hyperfunctioning perfect mini-adults. A lot of kids grow out of being disorganized and flaky. You just have to give them patience.
Another huge part of why "autism and ADHD" are more popular is because grown-ass people have a misconception about life. When people reach adulthood, they have unrealistic expectations of themselves and wonder all the time why they can't be super successful. Honestly, it's hard for ANYONE to be super successful. But they blame themselves and not our fucked up culture that demands perfection and constant hard work. One good friend of mine went on a high dosage of Adderall and told me, "I finally feel what it's like to be a normal functioning person!" I don't actually believe that. The uppers just make her a turbo version of herself. She only thinks she's "normal now" because she had a warped view of how people get by in the world. We're ALL struggling.
The part I can't stand is when people do it for attention and excuses. It's been hard in the last few years when some friends/coworkers started drinking the tik tok kool aid and figured out that if they claim ADHD or autism they can get away with acting selfish, insensitive, and overly emotional – making themselves other people's problem – without any consequences, or anyone questioning it. Without anyone encouraging them to do better.
No. 2313668
>>2312996Nta but that's what you're misunderstanding about the DSM. The DSM doesn't say there's more than 1 person, it states that it's just 1 person split into parts. That's why there's memory fog, repressed memories/emotional parts and other typical trauma shit.
Of course if you think there's multiple whole people in there then that's not did.
No. 2313744
>>2313674i feel like that’s just what
abusive men say they’re like
No. 2313758
>>2313674Nta but possibly an abuuusor man because I feel very comfortable saying ABPDALT (all bpd are like that). Something a lot of women who don't have personality disorders can't comprehend is that BPDs will lie about abuse or SA because the idea of doing that sounds
so completely moid-brained and unfathomable to them. Until you've dealt with multiple BPDs directly and become changed and jaded forever, because you recognize the identical patterns and behavior in all of them.
No. 2313763
>>2313760I'm performing moidness to agree with
>>2313674 but I've also been accused of gaslighting by the BPDs I'm thinking of who accuse all of their previous partners of rape, so it's funny you brought that up
No. 2313765
>>2313763like what was the story how did ALL of them sa her though.
victims are likely to be revictimized. especially people with personality disorders who end up isolated because of their behavior.
No. 2313772
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>>2313765picrel + therapy + meds?
I don't understand the difference between a BPD and an incel who blame women and ~society~ for all their problems. They create and live in a world of misery but still expect sympathy and admiration (somehow simultaneously). It's also a personality disorder. I don't feel bad for psychopaths or other cluster b's, why would I advocate for women who are constantly manipulating other women and retraumatizing themselves? 99% of the time, they're pick-mes who will throw you under the bus for a moid but expect you to drop everything and rush to save/comfort them after this week's soul mate has done something unforgivable. It's exhausting and no amount of emotional support is enough (or even acknowledged).
No. 2313783
>>2313780Everyone has trauma. People choose to be emotional vampires, lie about SA (discrediting actual
victims) and manipulate everyone around them by rewriting history to suit their emotions and ever-changing personal narratives. That's what makes BPDs notorious and why their
victims share an unspoken bond. It's all so similar everywhere, no one really feels the need to justify or explain themselves anymore. At least I don't!
No. 2313791
>>2313783look i’ve had a horrible experience with a bpd friend, she literally threatened me. but i do believe she was molested. like yeah that makes sense why you’re into ddlg i have to stop being friends with you now because you’re making me uncomfortable but i can see how that fucked you up. i wouldn’t call myself a
victim of hers. she sucked but like. chill. did one of them like attack you how did this crazy girl traumatize you lol
No. 2313797
>>2313791This post
>>2313778 was encouraging you to spend more time with BPDs, if you think people like me are gaslighting for moids or making it up. I don't know your friend so can't comment but one of the most awful aspects of dealing with a BPD is that you begin to doubt things that you would never imagine someone would or
could lie about. That's all I really have to say about it,
nonnie.
No. 2313808
>>2313804there was literally just a female school shooter who only killed women so honestly it’s hard to pretend that there isn’t some evil woman out there making rape
victims look like liars. i never would have thought someone would fake being kidnapped and two women made the news about it recently. i also trust you more because this isn’t exactly manlovers.net
No. 2313997
>>2313668That's clearly not the case. The DSM contradicts itself in saying "parts of self" and then it says that "parts are distinct from each other", if they are parts, they are not distinct. If what you were saying was true and legit, why are alters a thing? "Blacking out" and then blaming someone else is not having other parts. I know that not even the word "alter" appears in the DSM but the definition contradicts itself. They're part of the same, yet patients dont have to remember. Part of the same, yet people blame others. Just like bippies who split and then blame the
victim. The only difference in DID and BPD is the blame target, otherwise they're the exact same.
DID is "I did a despicable thing but it wasn't me!!' while BPD is "I did a despicable thing and you made me do it!"
Heavy dissociation is present in both.
No. 2314083
>>2314058What even is a true case of DID? Even the most famous ones are bogus
Let's put Sybil to the side, that bitch admitted it was all fake, Kim the painter? Then you are not referring to a legit case, because she claims to have other "people". Billy Milligan? That fucker claimed to have a fuckton of people that knew different languages that he didn't study and women alters and if what are you saying is true, how the fuck did he have "woman" parts? That's like falling in troon logic. What even is a true case, to you?
Do not look into the DSM definition of DID, look out the people who are claiming to suffer from it, it's fancy BPD. If we were to judge bippies from the DSM, then we would all agree that they're just "broken people who just want to love and are afraid to be left alone sad big puppy emoji" when in reality they're controlling beasts that live in constant paranoia and act out their mental fantasy instead of living in the real world and make your life hell if you don't fit their script.
No. 2314148
>>2314100Are you talking about the "programming abuse" from the very famous bogus book "Those weren't butterflies"? Then, again, you are bringing contradictory examples. Programming abuse is real as the satanic panic. The "programming abuse" talks about breaking achild down to force out other roles and yes that's trauma, no those are not identities, it's still a child, but can you name me a case? A single, legit case? Programming abuse theory talks about forcing a child to imagine things or call themselves a certain way so they are basically gaslit and won't tell adults/authorities legit stuff and their witnessing reports would look so imaginary and fantastical, that they wouldn't be considered a reliable source. It's heavy gaslighting also csa? You can spell words here, sexually abuse children yes, they develop a barrier in between themselves and the trauma but it's more swiping it under to rug to avoid trouble. Children know that shit happened to them, but most of the times abuse is perpetuated in families and they wont' speak to not to make the parents angry (for ex. father hitting them - since it's 99% by piece of shit fathers and stepfathers to stick their dick where they shouldn't or threathening homelessness or killing the mom, or unstable mom accusing the child of lying so they could get away from them - saw that irl, I work with this shit), children know that this shit happened but adults tell them that something bad will happen if they tell anyone, look up how child abucting
victims were told that the abducter would kill their family or their family abandoned them. Children KNOW. They often go to their happy place because they're children, but they don't split themselves into "identities", they split the world around them. Do some research instead of talking in fancy bookese.
No. 2314157
>>2314148Never heard of that book title either and had to google that.
>Programming abuse is real as the satanic panic.Kek that's like sweeping government organisation abuse under the rug because nobody came out about it and nobody was ever charged so it mustn't have happened at all. Shit like mk-ultra or the like.
And if children always remember everything that happened to them then why do many CSA
victims, DID claimers or no, report having very little memory to none of it? The brain forgets shit to protect itself in daily life, it's not rocket science.
No. 2314278
>>2312996>>2312999it's called identity disorder because the issue lies within the person, they perceive themselves this way / they think they have more than one self. That's the whole thing about this disorder and why it is a disorder. Yes, it usually starts with imaginary friends in childhood. If this coping mechanism is used often enough (in childhood, because of traumatic experience and being dissociative) it becomes a force of itself / the patient believes it because they have to. You didn't really think alters exist as different selves in one person?
Dissociation is a survival mechanism (usually
triggered close to death). DID is just the extreme end of PTSD+dissociation. It's really not that hard or complex. Not every person with PTSD has dissociation for example.
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>>2314083I wouldn't read any biographies of 'famous people' tbh, I'd rather read from professional sources. Katy Steele has articles like pic rel.
The cause is CSA, neglet, abuse etc, often all of them, from a young age to teenage or some cases adulthood.
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AuDHD havers, this faggot from Instagram in particular
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>how it feels being neuroconvergent in 2024(bait/ai slop outside of containment)
No. 2316492
>>2316485My bad I'm sorry, gonna post something relevant to make up for my dumb bitch moment
I'm sick and tired of how some try to defend BPD people nowadays (especially on social media). We all know someone who has a story about an obsessive BPD ex or a BPD friend who's mean and aggressive, and while I get that they suffer from the disorder, the way they get coddled while draining others feels insulting to those who have to deal with their bullshit. I'm not sure whether it's even possible to demand someone with BPD control themselves (maybe it's like telling someone with anxiety to "just stop worrying") but while I know they can't help their feelings, it doesn't mean they get to take it out on others.
>>2313758 and
>>2313778 are spot on.
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Self-proclaimed "empaths". I understand most were victims of narcissistic abuse and probably cope but after a while they become just as bad or at least almost as bad as the narcs. PDs get passed onto victims. Wow, Jan, you're such an empath for falsely assuming someone was feeling a certain way and using that to police them. Why are they so obsessed with finding narcissists everywhere? Their mom is a narc, their dad is a narc, their best friends are narcs. The person in their class who didn't want to hear their drama and was trying to pay attention to the professor was supposedly stonewalling and being a narc. Their own children are now narcs because they set boundaries and didn't really like a gift they got them. It's crazy.
No. 2317490
>>2317483Don't they not live long though? They usually tend to have fucked up immune systems.
>But they're like little angels!>They're so cute and bring so much joy!Do normies actually believe this or is this a live laugh love cope? I genuinely cannot see the former. Sure they're a little angel when they smile at you for the first time in forever after you clean up their shit smeared on the walls.
No. 2317952
>>2317483If I had a child like this, I would abandon them at the first sign of heavy mental retardation. They are a curse to the family due to them being loud as shit, forcing someone to not to work so they can become the caregiver, dirty diapers, being hit…and there's not a human soul in that body. I believe that soul is coscience and they have none. Just because they smile at positive stimuli doesn't mean that they're there, in fact it's a basic neuron response but oh well.
>>2316649The shitty thing about bdp tiffanies is that troonerism satisfies their need of attention and sense of community and identity. The problem of being alone and without a self gets satisfaction from troonerism because it gives you an identity and people coddling you. It's hell and it becomes a death trap, detrans people are seen as traitors because it's like a divorce for them kek because they don't reflect on themselves but rather how others makes them feel so here you go, troonism and other attention seeking behviours.
No. 2318547
>>2317667Telling bdp-havers what you (and other people) REALLY think about their behaviour would genuinely be the best way for them to actually think about other people for once. Perhaps not saying THE worst shit possible, but being harsh and truthful would go a long way.
That's the sad thing, though… knowing how they react to any semblance of mean words, no wonder people would rather coddle them than say the truth.
No. 2319062
>>2314083The thing about DID isn't that there's multiple selves, it's that you're literally a broken person. It's not like BPD where you take on the identity of others to be liked, you have your own developed identity with DID but because you faced so much abuse as a child, it fragmented to best suit whatever abuse you were facing, which does sound like BPD, but it's still slightly different. Like if you were in a situation meeting someone new with BPD you needed to impress, you'd try to camouflage with clues you picked up in the moment, but with DID, you may take the form of your most prominent abuser in childhood who instilled into you that unless you are exactly the way they want you to be, you are less than garbage. With DID, you have less of a will to fight back as fighting back is often dangerous and leads to worse abuse, whereas with BPD you learned you can at least sometimes get your way with enough screaming and crying. I'm willing to bet that dude's "woman" alter was just his brain storing either an abuser or someone who was extremely kind to him during a difficult period. The human brain is extremely strange and hitting it in the wrong way can cause an extreme personality shift, so I'm not sure why people want so badly to believe something like this is impossible.
>inb4 physical trauma and mental trauma is different!It is different, yes, but it's also proven that the brain perceives extreme emotional stress similarly to physical trauma, as well as the fact that with enough mental stress, the brain can begin to prematurely shrink. To be honest anon, you sound like the type of person who is too simple minded to believe in things you can't see. A lot of people with DID don't even know they have it, like the other anon said they would probably just come off as an extremely anxious person if you met them irl. If an normie instagram influencer isn't a good representation of what it's like to be a regular woman, then why should we accept bpdchans on tiktok saying they have DID for attention as representation of the reality of DID?
No. 2319310
>>2319220Because it doesn't have to be
triggered by other people. It can just be
triggered by being alone and letting your mind wander too far, causing you to dissociate. Instead of being a mask intended to fit in with certain people/groups, these are preset masks unique to you and your own experience as a person, and they do not change, and contrary to what tiktok would have you believe, they all serve an important purpose and new ones are not formed unless completely necessary to survival.
>inb4 dissociation does NOT fucking cause thatMaybe if you gained the coping skill after the required age to from DID, but as a young child where you're being helicoptered all the time to make sure you don't accidentally kill yourself via idiot child brain not realizing sticking your hand in a socket means electrocution or something, you always had to be mentally present. "this isn't happening to me right now, this is happening to someone else!" or "my imaginary friend is here to help me through it!" is the basis for DID.
>inb4 that's still a fucking mask you dipshitIt's an involuntary mask that causes the sufferer great distress once it's realized that's what's happening. The reason you never hear about DID cases that don't sound extremely fake is because DID is a covert disorder meant to mentally protect the sufferer from severe trauma they can't handle. Discovery of the disorder normally throws a wrench in said coping mechanism. It's usually only discovered once the memory loss becomes too much to ignore.
No. 2319435
>>2319062But then it could be rename as BPD - Dissociative subtype. BPD people often mimic emotions, they take roles (in the love bombing phase, it's extremely common that they take the shape and mannerism to attract other people) but they don't feel them, in fact feeling emotions for them is what makes them go bonkers so they suppress everything until it's too much. DID doesn't exist in the "oh I have alters" shit, it exist in babying oneself but that's no different than other coping mechanisms. The modern definition of did often focuses too much on the alters and not on the dissociation, like modern BPD focuses too much on the outbursts and not dissociation, they're the same exact disorder, it's like saying that OCD and Pure O are two different diagnosis when the core is the same. It's involutary, but still a mask, the target is different but the basis is there. BPD is categorized as a personality disorder which yes, it is because it eats a person from the inside leaving nothing but a disordered pattern of behaviours while psychs are out there wanting me to believe that DID is not the same? DID is adopting multiple "masks" to cope throught the day and by the very definition, a true, healthy self and personality isn't there, then so it's the same, just a different target, in DID is "This is not happening to me!" while BPD is "This is happening and even if I lash out, everything will be the same as always", that's why they both have a feeling of being trapped and have no sense of self but please, let's not excuse that shit, people with no personality are always creepy as fuck and blame shifting and DID is no exception. I'm not saying that DID is impossible, it's just a slight variation of an already existing disorder that doesn't deserve their own special place.
>"DID is when the memory loss is too much"Almost all people with BPD don't remember shit in their outbursts and often blame other people if they are being faced with consequences. BPD people can insult you and go "lmao gomen, that was not that bad right? Right?? I'm a sweet baby! I can't do that!" and while you're here wondering who the fuck was that person than was saying sweet words but being a demon the day after, they just go with their day, because the base is the exact same: danger? Let's dissociate and go bonkers in autopilot mode, anything that would make us survive is good. Maybe it would look different on the outside due to the dramatic nature of BPD, but DID is just as destructive and full of blame shifting, not taking responsibility, going all in with emotions and then masking behind a sweet angel baby/sad boy mask. Bipolar 1 and Bipolar 2 are different disorders, still bipolar.
No. 2319495
>>2319435nta but BPDs always perceive themselves as one person doing it, they never think about 'someone else' even if they have no sense of self. DIDs have a sense of self, but different ones, that stay the same over time. (and in reality they are one person just believing themselves to be different so the memories and information don't cross)
The modern definition seems to be different where you're living, because what I know is therapists are not focusing on different alters and their differences since this can exacerbate symptoms. The focus lies on bringing 'alters' together, minimizing symptoms over time and eventually coming out as one person in the end, maybe with a simple PTSD or nothing left.
>>2319310>involuntary maskIn the theory of structural dissociation they're called biological action systems.
And they put BPD and DID on a spectrum with PTSD and C-PTSD, so BPD is somewhere between C-PTSD and full on DID.
No. 2319635
>>2319338This is the designated safe space to vent about how much you can't stand people with specific disorders, not to say that their experiences don't exist at all. Make a mental disorder denial thread for that. Nobody here is denying that people with BPD have suffered to get where they are, and DID is formed through even greater suffering and loss of the self through abuse than that. Complain about DID behavior all you want, but consider that DID denial is rooted in parents wanting to deny that CSA could happen to their child, as well as overdramatic serial killer movies.
>>2319435But it's just not BPD. It's not. You can have DID without feeling the extreme emotional mood swings and need to manipulate and control everyone around you because your emotions are too painful. I don't know what about this is so difficult to grasp. Why is it that AVPD and social anxiety are two separate diagnoses? Why is it that schizotypal and autism are two different diagnoses? Why is it that psychosis is not outright seen as schizophrenia in every case? It's because the human brain can have similar maladaptive coping behaviors without presenting every last symptom because it wasn't necessary to survival at the time of development. To call these people BPD when they don't exhibit the emotional style of BPD all because you can't comprehend how something can form similarly but present differently just makes you look mentally slow.
>>2319495Most people with BPD I've known are obsessed with seeming cool and special and very much have a set of interests and values that generally don't leave them, even when they have an FP they're trying to impress. I could very much see this all being on a C-PTSD spectrum, the same way you don't see the autistic woman working at Starbucks while she gets her degree the same way you see an autistic person who can't form complete sentences at age 20.
No. 2320350
>>2320272I know a guy who wanted to get an ADHD diagnosis so his girlfriend wouldn't be so strict with him. Apparently she told him that she would leave him if he got diagnosed. Worked better than stimulants ever could because he changed his tune and is less annoying now.
The only thing that gets through to people, ADHD or no, is tangible and immediate consequences for unacceptable behavior. We'd see a lot less "but muh ADHD" if people just stopped being friends with them after the third time they flake out. "Sorry Jan, but you went awol on plans last weekend… again. I'm only interested in friends who can shoot me a morning text to tell me they can't make it. Good luck with the next one."
No. 2320379
>>2320272I have brain fog from a chronic illness (it’s literal brain damage, not to the extent of TBI but still life changing)
I freeze during conversations, forget certain words, forget things I’ve studied throughly but I can still remember appointments and important days because I learned to worked around my illness by taking notes and keeping records. It definitely makes your life harder but people who dump the load of chores and tasks on their partner are just shitty.
No. 2320409
>>2320272>ADHDers should try harder to remember stuffThey literally can't remember stuff, that's the problem, but they can use calender apps etc to fill in the gaps in what what their brain can't do.
I wish it wasn't the current trendy excuse for lazy people to blame stuff on, I wonder if it will ever stop being like this.
No. 2320473
>>2320272I have one obsessed with me and idk what to do. he says it's love but I think it's limerance. I went no contact but he's still trying to get my attention
I seem to attract people with ADHD despite being neurotypical, but I do not have the patience to deal with these people long term. They want me to be their "rock" and never once consider if I want to be tethered to their chaos (I don't).
>>2320350friends of ADHD are sometimes even worse. they tolerate a lot because they're just friends without expectations of him, and only really deal with the positive aspects of the person most of the time. gives them a false sense of confidence they can be a life partner to just about anybody, but actually there's a small range of people they can be true partners with (usually other neurodivergents). The patience required of a neurotypical to navigate around the ADHD automatically makes it unbalanced and not a true partnership. Some people like the mommy dynamic, but oh God not me
No. 2320520
>>2320272This shit pisses me off so much, I have ADHD and I worked my ass off to become a functioning human. I know that I'm retarded, so I work harder to compensate for it, I have multiple calendars and reminders because I'm shit at remembering things, I have a habit tracker to remind myself to clean my house, it's not like having ADHD is a death sentence. It's an embarrassing condition to have but it's manageable enough now that I don't need to tell anyone about it, I'd kill myself if I used it as an excuse for being unable to wash my clothes or spend money responsibly.
Inb4 muh phone addiction, I'm an oldfag who didn't have a phone until I was 15 and didn't have a smartphone until I was in my 20s. I got diagnosed as an adult and by the time I got my diagnosis I'd already trained myself to be a functioning adult. Lazy fuckers who pretend that being able to turn up to work on time is as impossible as regrowing a leg need to face more actual consequences for their actions, not be coddled for being a sad widdle sped.
No. 2320541
Why is that we can discuss BPD, NPD, bipolar, literally whatever disorder, but when it comes to ADHD and 'tism, you tard have a desire to crawl out and start sperging about "b-but, uh, I'm a good tard! And anyway, you normies are meanie poopoos!"
Literally don't care. STFU.
Anyway, to add to the topic: overtly defensive autismos. We don't talk about you specifically, why the he'll are you acting defensive?
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>>2320632Same
nonny, I have little to no patience for autists. I can’t understand how people just miss social cues and reading emotions that much… people and how they act are very logical. There are patterns to conversations and human behavior. I’m a sped and even I figured this out eventually. Then when they get corrected they get so fucking defensive and act like you’re the one in the wrong when it is literally, factually, 100% on them. It’s so exhausting and I think the main reason so many of them struggle to make friends to be honest.
No. 2320652
>>2320643>>2320647OG anon here and there is absolutely learned helplessness from being coddled which explains why male autists seem so much worse than female autists. It also explains why the few autists I met irl were fine (if sometimes annoying but that's not some unforgivable sin) while I go crazy when I see "normies don't understand us! We're the real gifted unicorns! Normies are the real tards!"
I also think this behaviour is why you have annoying people like Grimes trying to claim autism.
No. 2320658
>>2320652>seem Kek they don't just seem, they
are on like ten different objective scales. All male autists are coddled and any creepy sexpest or boundary breaking behaviour is defended with "awww he's just autistic" while female autists get beaten for their traits as toddlers and told they're unladylike at best. Female autists often end up being male autists' biggest
victims too
No. 2320673
The problem with autists is a trap which many terminally online mentally ill people fall into but for autists it's tenfold worse.
A lot of those people go to online communities that form some sort of social bubbles that basically create an us vs them mentality and let users wallow in their self-pity. People come there for support and understanding, but those places create their own problems.
As I said, with tards it's way worse, since they went so far as to create the whole "neurodiversity" thing (which is fine on itself, I admit) and the whole "autism culture" or whatever, where spergs are left to sperg and any attempt at improvement is met with hostility.
No matter who you are, an autist, bipolar, someone with a personality disorder… getting out of your comfort zone and learning skills is good for YOU. Fitting into the society is good for YOU, since it minimizes conflict and makes life easier. It's not le ebil neurotypicals imposing their will on autists.
Depressed mf are prone to that to. You are depressed? Get help and fix shit. I've dealt with that firsthand, it's better to put at least some effort than do nothing at all and whining how normies "don't get it."
No. 2320747
>>2319495>BPDs always perceive themselves as one person doing it, they never think about 'someone else'this is so untrue. bpdchans generally dont explicitly put things in these words, but they absolutely do view themselves as being automatically absolved from their terrible behaviour because they were sad at the time, or having an episode, or whatever other excuse that means that it wasnt REALLY them. so the person who screamed at you or assaulted you and threatened suicide for absolutely no fucking reason wasn't THEM, it was their bpd, so you cant hold them accountable for what they did to you (important to clarify here that i dont think that bpdchans do this deliberately, at most they might be vaguely aware that theyre in denial but this seems to be a basically automatic pattern of freak out -> abuse whoever is around -> only way out of feeling bad about this and getting caught in a self hatred/self harm spiral is by denying your responsibility for your actions by essentially claiming possession kek).
they are unable to reconcile that a single person can do both good and bad things by definition, and of course this extends to themselves. this is why they cycle through hating themselves (because theyre "bad") and viewing themselves as infallible
victims (because everyone else is "bad"). i genuinely believe that people diagnosed with DID just experience a hypertrophic/exaggerated version of this exact same thing. this is why you often see DID types with a "persecutor" or otherwise freely aggressive "alter".
No. 2320791
>>2320747the main giveaway of the overlapping is that both bpd and both common did (if it even exists, IF) is that they don't have nuance. bippies either are super super happy and that's the personality of the day then you could, idk, drop a cup and they will hate you and tell you that you're the worst, going from 0 to 100 in a matter of seconds, forgetting al l the bad things, you're the devil and then dissociate in a self loathing spiral so you can pity them. Try to confirm a bippies "I'm the worst!!" cry and prepare to see hell. Diddies' alters are the exact same emotions. the happy alter is them being happy, the angry alter is them being angry. They're not personalities nor "identities" because they lack nuance, the mean alters are never good, for example, if they are currently the "bubbly teen girl alter" and the experience sorrow, then the "sadboi alter" comes in because Happy Alter can't be sad, you know? Bippies and diddies rationalize emotions in the same way, for bippies is a constant down spiral, for diddies is "better make up an oc for this emotion because it's not what I currently am"
and that's the core of bpd. Black and white. Good or bad. Splitting. Driving on emotions. For bippies is "It's my illness!", for diddies is "It was[alter] in charge of [emotion]!"and the states of self yes, they are separate, but doesn't mean that they're different. They're separate in the same way of how bpd splitting works, based in dissociation, is literally in the diagnostic criteria. Just because people black out during strong emotions doesn't mean that they're a whole, different person or they can avoid accountability so the identity part of the name is total bullshit.
No. 2321100
>>2320747Blaming their bpd is not the same as thinking of yourself as different selves though? I get what you're saying but they're just shifting blame in those instances, that's what most people with mental illnesses do. But that's despicable either way. If someone is suffering from any mental illness, they should take full responsibility for it, no matter what it is.
>>2320791You're confusing EPs with ANPs in DID. That's why I said further up thread, don't take your understanding of DID from online personas or famous personas.
They may have C-PTSD or something else with 'happy teenager', 'sadboi alter' kek that's just ego states and not full on DID. But at the end all that really matters in knowing the differences are the professionals that treat actual people. Those who help them get better are right after all, because otherwise they wouldn't get better with specific treatment for DID.
No. 2322273
>>2322259You have to realize that what's written in books is very different from how people act irl. What's written in books is only from the mentally ill perspective and not from their loved ones and even psychologists are biased because they hear one side of the story without putting in the whole equation how shit affects others. If we had to take only textbook definitions of mental illnesses, then all bippies are perfect emotional angels that became that way from emotional trauma and that's so bad for the bippie!! When in reality most bippies DO NOT cooperate in therapy, are totally delusional, prone to violence (both physical and psychological) and overall a nightmare to be around. Tracing patterns and talking about experiences is not making shit up, quite the opposite. Just because you love going "erm actually" doesn't mean that people misunderstood an illness, you're putting on the table case studies, we're putting on the table experiences and talking about them. Trauma doesn't make someone innocent (most pedophiles are traumatized or heavily fucked up at birth, try to defend that shit with the same passion and going "well actually pedophiles were abused kids!!", dare you). Nonnies in this thread will likely never meet someone with DID, neither will most psychologists Who know their shit,but the new people who are getting dx'd with it are tiktok kids and/or chronically online people and if you diagnose those type of people as DID, then the criteria of DID is automatically reshaped. Billy Milligan was diagnosed, still a lot of bullcrap. Stop that, nonna. This is a vent based thread.
No. 2322287
Addicts, of every kind.
Smoking addicts: smelling like shit, yellow teeth, yellow nails, aging faster, money wasters, time wasters (they always have to smoke after a meal).
Drug addicts: violent, money wasters.
Drunkies: money wasters, swiping under the rug responsibilities (addicted to blacking out), cannot have fun without some alcohol for some reason, most of them are weak people who believe that the only way to make friends is to drink.
Food addicts: obese, smelly, money wasters, whiny
Sex addicts/fetishists: you become a tool to them and not a person. Being in a relationship with a fetishist means that he selected you for how fast you make him cum, how much you fit their weird stuff criteria, prone to cheating the moment you cannot give him his leg in bear trap sex with wax and feet with purple sheer socks. Most of them are chronically online.
Gamblers: yeah who wants to lose the house for a bit of dopamine yeah??
Every addict is a weak person with no self control that only looks forward on the next round, no matter how wasteful, dangerous or hurtful. Do not want near people like them.
No. 2322512
>>2322273I never said it makes someone innocent or any of those things you're implying. Where did you get that? I don't care about pedos or rapists. I'm going about this factual not what I'm feeling or think it is.
>>2322476(you)
No. 2323824
All those mental illnesses that include the person being a stalker/prone to develop parasocial relationships.
Being a stalker implies that a person is entitled as fuck to another person and that person only exist for their perception, plus to be a stalker people often forget that it takes a shit load of time, you can't follow a person/call them/text them on the job and they do that all day every day. Stalkers are violent and delusional, especially those who stalk "out of love", they also lack basic social skill because are you sure that that girl is gonna fall in love with you if you follow her? Go to her job? They're also unstable because they live in their own parasocial world where they don't believe, even if its in front of their eyes, that a woman could be in a relationship. Yes, women. Women stalkers are a nanofraction of the statistic, they don't even count. I was a victim of stalking and it always got swept under the rug because "that person is ill! It's not dangerous, just ill!!" and? Just because he's not touching me then I'm safe and I should be calm? This fucker always followed me at work and sat there my entire shift (waitress), then he got my insta, of course followed me with a fake acc because they're ill, entitled but smart enough to do this and endlessly messaged me and then insulted my nigel. Yes, I could block him, yes I did, still he didnt make me live in peace because by the law here, unless he touched me, the restaurant I work in couldn't really kick him out. I tried to tell him calmly that no, I was not interested but He was! So why not giving him a chance? And if it's an illness that's making him believe that he's entitled to me like the jobless retard that he is, then that illness is one of the worst ones to exist. If my Nigel were to hit him, he could be the one to go to jail because the stalker is technically innocent since he didn't assault me, see where they take advantage? And what loophole they use? He made me paranoid and now everytime that the bell rings in the restaurant, I always glance at the door. Fuck him, stalkers should be hit. I don't care if they're ill, now I have anxiety and flinch at every notification and I've become extra private of my stuff, not that's not a bad thing, but I feel bad even sending a picture to my mom because this fucker claimed to be my friend, got my mom's insta, told her that he lost my number and really wanted to see the party that I went into (he made up an excuse that he was too at the party - not true - and wanted the pics and couldn't get them and I was the only one to have them) and yes, she was also naive but the lenghts that he went to get a piece of me creeps me the fuck out. Fuck them. literally. Shove a broomstick up their asses. One time he asked me what could he do to get a "yes" from me because he was getting angry that his flirting technique wasn't working and I was playing hard to get. Bitch what the fuck. And of course this got down to a spiral where he said that since I'm pretty then I only like pretty boys because all that matters to me is being pretty, that I'm shallow and stupid, yeah, of course now I'm totally in love with you after you insulted me but here you go again, the day after, at the goddamn table. Indeed he was ugly as sin but it was his mental illness that made him ugly and unkept, if only they had a gram of self reflection.
No. 2324544
Why are some BPDs so obsessed with projecting? No, I don't have BPD, YOU do! Ackshually you're the one who's insane and manipulative and gaslighting meee. Hell, they wholeheartedly believe it so you can't accuse them of lying either.
I knew one who was surprisingly very modest and celibate regarding sex, shocker, but that was just for attention. Also ended up having feelings for me and sending me around 2 pages size 10 font of messages about how perfect and amazing and intelligent and loving I am, general lovebombing, and it made me feel guilty about not being able to reciprocate said love because my intuition was creeped out yet I didn't know what lovebombing really was like. Boom a few months later I'm accused of having ASPD, NPD, being an attention seeker who attention seeks online because I don't get it in real life (I don't post or interact online and mask up every time I leave the house kek). I don't get how their brains work, is it just purposely deluding themselves? And why? I can understand trying to see someone as bad to cut off your own attachment, it's happened when I liked people who weren't good for me in the long run, but what shifts that hate? It's scary.
No. 2325467
>>2325315Not every anachan was molested to try and disappear and I am sick and tired of this narrative. I pity the ones that were, but some of them genuinely are just mentally ill in non-traumatic ways, want attention, are too lazy to exercise etc., hell some even do it
for a fucking fetish where they're skinny and weak so big gross fat scrotes can rape them and abuse them, or for pandering to moids who want anorexic women because anal is cleaner with them since they don't eat anything. Either way, it's not wrong to criticize them. It involves a messed up view of body image which they always end up projecting onto others one way or another. Many become covert narc type crybullies.
No. 2325682
>>2325312It has been used since late 2020, idk if you know where the fuck you are posting
Can newfags stop purposely not reading the op or take a hint where they are, I know that tiktok fried your brains to a point of no return but we try to use reading comprehension and critical thinking here. Plus why do you care kek
>>2325315You arent entitled to kissassing just because you have coping mechanisms, all mentally ill people need to accept this
No. 2325824
>>2325467Honestly I became Anachan because I wanted to be skinny and seeing my weight going down made me feel rewarded. I just got addicted to that.
Sometimes it isn’t that deep.
No. 2328918
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I don't believe her at all. Pandas, tourettes, absence seizure, she gets a new diagnosis every year, I hate attention seekers
No. 2328930
People with anxiety disorders are truly the most annoying of all. I'd prefer to associate with a bippie than I would to associate with someone with social anxiety. The most egoistic petulant whiny people on Earth. They are obsessed with themselves and nobody else, nothing else, will ever be more important than their own egos.
>No, I can't come to your important meaningful birthday party!! I'm too socially anxious for parties!
>No, I can't learn to drive, I'm too anxious to learn so you have to drive me everywhere!
>No, I can't leave my house to help you, everyone will laugh at me!!
>Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, ME!
Everything is filtered through this egoistic lens. Nothing is as it seems, nothing is as it is, because to them everything has to relate back to how they feel about themselves. They're immature, cowardly, and self-obsessed, and they make that YOUR problem.
God forbid they just go to the fucking doctor and get a prescription for Prozac, no no, the doctor gives them anxiety! It's not like it's one of the most common illnesses and it's not like tens of millions of people take anxiolytics every year and that they're one of the most commonly prescribed medications, no no. We just don't get it, they have a super special unique feeling, clinical nervousness, and instead of getting treated they need to sit and stew in their feelings so that they can be the biggest and bestest martyr, because their whole personality hinges on being a victim.
They demand constant coddling, constant reassurances, constant pep talks, just to reaffirm their own mediocrity.
I fucking hate people with anxiety.
No. 2328996
>>2328964Seriously. I'm getting tired of zoomers engaging in posts that take like 30 seconds to read, being too stupid or lazy to read them, and then trying to spin their lack of attention span as a "gotcha" to insult the other person. Retards like that are the type of internet users that
should be "cyberbullied".
No. 2329188
>>2329183Kek when did I say it was about me, you sound projecting. I don't use either TikTok or Twitter so that's just something you pulled out of your ass. Not everything is about you and your retarded birthday party
>overthinkingWhat
>tiktok comment sectionWhat
(infighting) No. 2329204
>>2329189I'm not even ayrt and even if I was, you're still overthinking. You're clapping at your own show for a crumble of anonymous attention, that's cringe.
Anyway, I hate and absolutely despise fetishists. Aside from the fact that they're sex pests and automatically monkeys for that, fetishists make everything about their fetish and if they're writers/artists on a bigger scale, they also try to disguise it in media and not only it's disgusting, but annoying because it shows how much they can't go without getting off, it's creepy as fuck and looking back at old shows and cartoons, sometimes there's no reason to put that shit in children show. Make your own for you and other fetishists and fuck off. Online, they don't have shame and make their entire personality about it, posting autistically about diapers, feet and fat blobs. They don't even want to draw good so you always have mspaint tier fetish shit on social media in between actual artists or if they are mentally ill enough to get a monthly tugboat like cwc, they get good at drawing/writing but shit everything up with their fetish about the most niche thing. They also get off from the thought of including others in their fetish, asking them over and over what do they think, if they like it and such…plus many of them get so obsessed with a character that yeah I can understand, I also have my husbandos, but they get obsessed then put them in the most weird, ultraspecific situation only to get off and at some point, the source material gets so twisted, they should do ocs but are too retarded for that. I put them in the same box of schizo people being obsessed with stalking celebrities, that's the level of delusion. Idk, I work in the art fields, I wish that we could bully them again in their weird little spaces but nooo now kinksters are even at gay pride parades. I hate how sex based now everything is with the excuse of acceptance and inclusivity, stop putting characters in diapers and writing essays about them shitting in it, you're weird as fuck.
No. 2329206
>>2329204This belongs better on the kinkshaming thread but I agree. Worst are the adult ones who get so fucking
triggered for no reason whenever someone (especially a child) expresses discomfort at that shit. It's a mental illness to me because it's way too "self"-centred (in the way that say, social anxiety makes you think everyone's laughing at
you, or narcissism makes you think the world should cater to
you). They're one step away from being groomers with how much they shove their fetishes down people's throats.
No. 2329221
>>2329206Sometimes me and my work mates genuinely ask ourselves how someone develops that shit. "Mental illness" yeah that's a circular definitions, but how does a fetishist brain even work? What makes you grow up with a thing for crusty feet and poop? It's disgusting for a reason: bacteria and dangerous complications and yet these fuckers cannot go a day without drawing or writing about stinky feet and diapers and then they fall further, like the Wonder Bread guy, by the time you reach a +2 layer fetish, I think that you should be considered a deluded retard. Some of them try to hide that shit but its still gross to make people draw your fetish shit like one time I had to draw a happy girl (sometimes I do commissions because some people have too much money and I know) and then this dude asked for a slight edit: a green cloud around her mouth, this retard was into burping. What the fuck. And did he think that I wouldnt notice? They blur the lines in between a thing being aesthetically pleasing and being consumed from it and I hate that. What makes your brain do that, from a chemical perspective? Too much internet exposure can do that and I know, but humans are revolted by some things at primordial stage for a reason or some stuff is so common that sometimes I'm afraid of these people being outside and interact with other people.
What makes someone cum from seeing a girl shaking in the cold? Being stuck in a car? Wearing a specific watch? Getting covered in a slime that's a specific shade of green? Buying bread? Why? Why are they like this biologically speaking?
I was reading a scifi, dramatic manga and theres one guy, in all of it, that sniffs shoes. It's never addressed, the others don't find out and the manga aside from that is very action packed with emotional moments and then there's that guy. Why? Why would you do that? It adds nothing to the character and it's only for the author to draw stinky shoes, can't they do it elsewhere? Why forcing it? Why being into it to begin with? It's not eyecandy like a well dressed husbandos, it's a stinky shoe. It's a normal, everyday obiect, that stinks. It's like being turned on by trashcans, fucking weird and I hate people that are into it and their little to no shame about making everyone aware of what makes the cum. Weird.
No. 2329555
>>2328930You're wrong about the bippie thing,
>>2329500 is correct. Bippies are like anxiety x20. They're anxiety plus a myriad of shit, one belongs in the other's Venn diagram. Anything you dislike in the anxietyfags you listed will exist in a bippie
No. 2329768
>>2329731Ntayrt but i think they meant you’re wrong about rather dealing with a bippie. I can tell you right now that bippies are even worse. They’re the walking definition of energy vampire.
I hate anxiety fags as much as you do anon, but i wouldn’t wish bippies on my worst enemy.
No. 2330870
>>2330835Your post sounds more like a self own than anything.
And as someone who's done a double degree I can say the workload was pretty much the same for all years and hard, but YMMV. What degrees is she taking?>she never talksI feel like there's things you're omitting from your post. Maybe she's staying quiet to not have to deal with your shit.
>she's doing it to spite meYeah you sound like you have some issues yourself if you assume that. It's a roommate, not your best friend, if she cleans and cooks then I'd be happy kek
Inb4 "do not defend mental illness itt".
No. 2330886
>>2330881…Kek. Yeah seconding
>>2330877, you sound deranged.
Funnily enough I did biomedicine and law and I can confirm it rotted my brain with the compressed workload. I can also assure you a lot of the biomed classmates I had were asocial little rabbits so I'm assuming she's the same here with pharm kek. How old is she?
>>2330866Probably not even autistic, just terrified kek
No. 2331284
>>2331281Like these
>>2329064>>2329189>>2330870Shut the fuck up already, go infight elsewhere.
No. 2331527
ADHD. Sorry to the ADHD nonas but I cannot stand people who don't follow through on their words. The problem is they lie all the fucking time and act like they'll totally do X thing - when they KNOW they won't because they literally haven't finished anything they started in the last entire decade. I'd have a lot more respect and patience with them if they were just honest to people and said "no, I can't and won't do that because I'm mentally disabled and would rather watch tiktok for 5h straight" but instead they act as if they're normal functioning people and then afterwards come crying begging for forgiveness and use ADHD as an excuse that they didn't do it. And then everyone else has to try to cover for their lack of work last minute while they mope around in self-pity, still not helping. And on the rare occasion that they actually finished something on time it's a sloppy last minute job they did in a panic to cover their own ass.
And I'm not talking about someone trying to hide their ADHD to new people, I'm taking about people who also do it to their long time supportive friends and family who try their best to accommodate and believe in them. It's like they're in denial until it's convenient to blame the ADHD,and then it's their entire identity. Being friends with someone who has ADHD is nothing but empty promises and disappointment, time after time.
And it's just so boring to hang out with someone who is always 1h late, who promises to be there but instead just wastes your time because they got distracted once again. Who talks about how fun doing things would be - but then they literally never do anything. They never create anything, they never stick to a hobby, they can't learn new skills, they can't plan anything so they never do anything. The ONLY hobby I've seen a person with ADHD have is "passive consumption". They can only binge watch tv, tiktok, anime, or scroll social media all day. The most active hobby they can manage is a video game where they at least have to press buttons to get more content. Even reading a book is too hard for them.
No. 2332103
>>2331527I had to dump and no contact the love of my life (so far) because I don't have the constitution/patience/self loathing/narcissism to deal with ADHD. Shit sucks.
I think NT people happy with ADHD SOs have ego issues and love the limerence and obsession ADHD people call "love"
>>2331534My manager is this. since I couldn't deal with it with all the love I had (see above), a coworker I do not care about is worse than hellish. I legitimately do not respect him. my only consolation is that my disdain is so palpable it
triggers his "rejection sensitivity" and he leaves me alone.
No. 2332532
>>2331527Genuine question, but how do people with ADHD know that it's ADHD and they're not just like low IQ retarded? Or is that part of ADHD? The ones I've met are just so incapable of… anything. They claim they totally can do a thing they never can do, it reminds me of an overconfident toddler.
I've met autists who seemingly act similarly retarded at first and I see many ADHD people shit on them for being worse than them, but then they drop an entire encyclopedia of high IQ shit on you while those with ADHD can't even finish reading a one sided pamphlet because it's "too much reading". And the autists I met actually did things, usually in weird autistic nerdy ways but at least the shit did get done.
No. 2333911
>>2331527To this day I still cannot understand why would someone look out a ADHD diagnosis.
Autism makes you weird and gives you an excuse to be weird, bpd makes you look tragically loving (bullshit but normies don't know that shh), depression makes you look cool and mysterious, did makes you look interesting and very pity-able, ADHD has no benefits other than being annoying as shit, stupid as shit, unreliable as shit and overall rude.
"ADHD makes me do a lot of things at once!" And? That's not something to be proud of.
"I struggle with finishing stuff!"
Ehhh…..
The worst ones are those who claim "audhd" like they're comorbid or something which yes, they are in a specific case, in the mentally stunted autism and most of the girlies who claim it only have one.
I'm most likely an autist by family history, I'm the only one who hasn't got an official diagnosis yet but adhders make me livid. The time blindess that translate in utter disrespect when I get ready for something and I get there, waiting, over and over because they distracted themselves on the way to get ready, the nagging because they can't fucking listen and you have to repeat yourself and it makes you look and feel annoying yourself, they cannot focus and then blame you because "you know they are adhd!!" when they fuck up. I believe that a truly adhd person cannot live in the real world because jobs aren't really that forgiving for the time and tasks so yeah I also believe that's over diagnosed, but if I had an adhd diagnosis I would try so hard to cover it, it's like a shame more than anything else.
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>>2334551You should try floatation therapy, if you're not claustrophobic. It's an old hippy trick that helps with ruminating and symptoms of ocd. It sounds like pseudo-medicinal bullshit (since pathos is what is injured and can't be measured) but forces a cerebral experience and shakes up the cycle. I think many places offer simultaneous aromatherapy which could really help with the depression aspect (but would probably be useless on it's own)
No. 2335279
>>2334551Read the thread rules
same though, it sucks>>2334926I keep trying to tell people their cases are probably just depression or anxiety. Like who hasn't heard of depression making you lack motivation and can't focus, or the anxious procrastinator until the last minute?
No. 2337098
>>2334926>Ever since quarantine every third person has ADHDQuarantine fried most people's brains because they had nothing better to do than sit at home and doomscroll on their smartphones all day. That's why you're seeing so many adults diagnosed with "ADHD". It's literally just situational depression and tech addiction, but psychs can't diagnose that for insurance billing purposes, so they label these new clients as ADHD.
>To me it's just an excuse irresponsible adults use to act like 7 year olds.It is. Folks who got diagnosed as children 15+ years ago worked their asses off and learned to function normally because they're expected to keep up with their peers. Any grownup who still uses ADHD as an excuse for fuckups is legitimately not trying to get better.
No. 2339369
>>2339347This sums up this cow @peachaura that keeps showing up on my tiktok feed kek I had to block her because she was constantly posting herself screaming about how she’s a
victim.
No. 2339375
>>2339369Why did I read that as "pey-a-chaura" and not "peach aura" kek.
And yeah I understand BPDs can be
victims themselves, I don't deny that being traumatised can and will attract abusers but they just can't acknowledge the fact they can be abusers themselves. Nobody is allowed to be traumatised but them, why.
No. 2340478
>>2339620She’s quite literally retarded. Almost 30 living with her parents and posts videos of herself crying because she’s such a
victim. I remember last year she posted about her ex boyfriend going on a date with a minor, then she deleted the video and got back with him thinking no one would notice. Just typical horse face BPD shit
No. 2347061
I used to be the regular bippie hater, always there to tear and slander them online and lately I realize how sad and helpless they are, that even thinking about them makes me so fucking sad, I can't explain.
A bit of a blogpost but in my life I've been a victim of two heavy bippies who fucked up my late teens and early adulthood years, both with constant suicide threats, both with push pull dynamics, both with smear campaign, you know, the textbook stuff. I talked and talked about them (mostly therapists and friends) and by now that I've rationalized it, they make me so fucking sad to the point I wish I had a gun and mercy kill them. Not to alog, you know the stuff that happens in the movies when someone is very sick and people mercy kill them? That stuff, that's how sad they make me.
In my life, I dealt with silent treatment multiple times and I'm not an emotional retard, when someone tells me they need space, they get space. The moment they got space, they freaked the fuck out and made every possible attempt to talk back to me like their lives was depending on them by saying that I was the worst person on the planet and they needed closure. I can deal with silence, my own, the others, they fucking can't. Imagine living so miserably that you cannot stand your own company to the point you don't want to discovery what makes you happy beside obsessing over someone else.
The lack of identity, the continuous jump from one trend to the other (my last bippie relationship was with a current troon who ebegged to get srs, let's see how that turns out after the new trendy thing fades), the inner emptiness, the existential dread, hell I'm not empathizing with them but just realizing how weak and pathetic they are and they cannot escape their own head because they cannot think ahead, they let their feelings go and then cry at the consequences but lack a "self" to reflect to so they literally cannot process their actions, reactions and emotion. It's hell and I think that since they can give hell to others, they should be locked up in some psych units until they are reabilitated. I'm stronger now but I feel that if I was weaker, I could've endured years of pain because these motherfuckers like to bathe in their own misery instead of getting out, bpd is so much a crab mentality it's horrible, after a long therapy now I'm also more calmer but I used to freak out at notification, at every "we need to talk", at every "can't sleep" message, every day could be a bad day, esp my partner would use the mask I've fell in love with when they needed or wanted something then hating me for existing, apparently, the minute after, the screaming (now I want dead silence in my house) and my heart racing from the anxiety because I got cheating threats for not coming home one time due to extra shifts, another one was because I was recovering from surgery and I couldn't be a sex toy for this hell spawn of a person and such. I was living for them, still not enough. Not giving too many details because I'm still paranoid but from now yeah, I can pity them but I will absolutely stay the fuck away from them and I hate them with the power of a thousand suns when they joke about being little damaged souls or misunderstood lovers online, I hate them. That shit can ruin people but they, somehow, always fall on their feet. fuck them.
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I'm cancernon from
>>2346686.
My mother said something to me during her blowup the other day which really puzzled me but I heard a real good explanation in case anyone finds it useful:
She loves to DARVO and one of the things she accused me of is that she "walks on eggshells" around me when in fact that's what I have to do around her.
For context, I basically cannot exist in this house lest I am "burdening" her space, her words. She makes me reorganize all of my boxed up possessions routinely as she claims I am a "messy" person and is never satisfied from the last reorganization. I keep to a tiny guest bedroom that I must keep spotless at all times, meet the demands of her obsessive compulsion to clean (I clean for a living btw..), and never so much as leave any trace i.e. a dirty dish or crumbs on the countertop–not saying these aren't things adults ought to do, but I know I cannot risk normal scenarios like letting a cup sit in the sink for a day or maybe not meticulously wiping down everything after use
or else it will lead to a meltdown. Btw I work and she does not so she has all day to inspect the house to build resentment for anything I do or do not do. As a result, I try to make myself as scarce around the house as possible like occupying my time with work, staying with friends, and generally just being out of her house. Yet she criticizes that too and bemoans how I am never around
to serve and meet her demands and treat her house like a hotel–either way I cannot win. Her relationship towards me has always been this transactional and critical. I could go on but it would be a novel just like the op so tl;dr I accommodate and stay outta her way as much as possible so that accusation made no sense to me at the time. I thought she was just flinging shit at the wall at the peak of her tantrum to see what stuck.
Anyways, the analysis I watched for why narcissists will claim "walking on eggshells" is because their resentment is so extreme that them trying to control their irrational behavior feels oppressive in their minds knowing there will be consequences if boundaries are crossed. Because they are so used to being able to control their targets. Whereas they are blind to what they do to people, all they know are their own feelings. See I really do think my mother has tried, but she is too much of a damaged person to make lasting changes without CBT therapy and consistent medication neither of which she does and will never do. I believe this is why she can rage at me for an hour uninterrupted yet when she finally pushes a button and I react with my own outrage, she claims I am the "abuser" whom she has to "walk on eggshells" around. Because heaven forbid she doesn't get to say whatever nasty shit she wants to me and then call me an entitled ingrate for it.
Luckily she's been ignoring me since her blowout. I agree that we should not be talking right now, I know when I got in her face when she needled me for crying I must've been pretty fucking scary. It's the meanest I've ever been back to her. I hate to say it, but narcissists are a lot like animals in that you have to have an extreme reaction sometimes to send the message that they cannot keep doing that shit when boundaries don't work and leaving isn't an option. Fear evidently can be healthy for them.
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I can't stand people who list their disorders in their bio. If someone has cancer and maybe they made an account for support from other people struggling, that's one thing. But is it even possible for someone to have this many mental and physical problems? Because I'm pretty sure it's just attention seeking bullshit. Maybe some are legit, but all of them seems as if they're shouting to the internet that they have the most problems and they are just such a victim and require extra asspats and coddling. These types of people might have a couple things wrong with them and because they don't live a meaningful or enriched life and they see the kind of attention it gives them that they wouldn't get otherwise for things like life milestones and achievements, they wear it as a badge of honor. That way when there is a myriad of complications, any and all responsibility for fuck ups can be blamed on one of them like picking a piece of paper out of a hat. OH SORRY I'm late, it was my uh [flips through notes] cyclical vomiting syndrome. No, I didn't steal your shirt. You found it in my bag? Oh that must have been one of my alters, Jeremy. He is 13 and has problems with boundaries. It's my DID I can't control it~ Holy fuck just remove yourself from the planet.
No. 2355011
>>2355001Why do you accept fault for things you havent done wrong when you can just admit some people don't want to participate in society the way it is? Why can't you give them agency to do what they want even if it looks completely crazy to you? You have to write them off as crazy, but maybe its actually you that are crazy if you still see any value in it. You just have to accept some people want nothing to do with anything or they can't deal with patriarchal humanity the wy it is because it disgusts them. Like going outside literally fucking disgusts them.
But what does it have to do with you? Maybe if you just accepted some people couldn't cope with it you could let go of whatever guilt for whatever thing you didn't do.
No. 2355021
>>2355017respectfully and with love… are you the
nonnie having a manic episode where they want to talk a lot online
No. 2355028
>>2355018Oh i misread
Well my point still stands.
No. 2355053
>>2355043Sure the person reacts violently to rejection and their view of me changes to "all bad". So gradually confirming that I really meant it when I said I didn't want to speak to them again (years ago) is probably causing a split, since their reality was based around that (and what they've convinced other people/former mutual friends).
I've gone out of my way not to say anything because of how dark this person can get when don't feel in control but my silence on the situation has been misconstrued as "guilt" (that I've done something to this person, because I've taken ownership of all wrongdoing during our time together, so it can just be put to rest). I've even opened up the possibility of communication in the future (when I have no interest in that) because I'm worried this will escalate negatively, if they think there is no chance of reconciliation
No. 2355069
>>2355065what kind of big event do you think would
happen? i still don’t really understand what they’re accusing you of - being a bad friend for stopping talking to them or outright lying about you? that is really disturbing they are befriending people in your life - what are they asking them to do for them? do they believe this person?
No. 2355072
>>2355069My guess would be physically attacking me in some way. I'll just say this person is an mtf now and has always expressed contempt toward me being female and my physical appearance. So I think he's the kind of male who would try to disfigure his
victims and/or rape. I've seen evidence that this behaviour is escalating but would rather not say where
No. 2355079
>>2355072no that’s okay you should be really vague i just am trying to understand this situation to better give advice. it sounds really complicated. it worries me they might escalate things physically with you too. if you live in the united states you can register to have your address not on record for reasons like this. you don’t need to prove anything i don’t think you can just say you have a fear of domestic violence a stalker are a SA
victim etc whichever applies to the case and say you don’t want your address publicly accessible. maybe you can hide from them that way? do you see them often? i would definitely not speak to them. if this is going to happen every time you cut contact they will twist everything to make you look even guiltier the next time. i think the most disturbing part is this didn’t happen recently and they’ve been secretly seething while you had no idea. i had a similar situation that thankfully has cooled down now where i was threatened and even though i saw that person following me around multiple times and they posted indirect threats, nothing ever happened to me and it fizzled out. this person doesn’t seem to be tiring themselves out and that’s worrisome.
No. 2355094
>>2355079It's basically this thing tech-moids are doing that hasn't reached mainstream consciousness yet, they find all sort of ways to access your info and devices. I had a random phone logged into my primary google account for years and through this, the stalker obtained my information and encouraged people (mostly moids but unbelievably a couple females too) to stalk me with him by creating a narrative around "Bambi hypno" (I'm guessing this is where inspiration came from). The reasoning seems to vary from social justice (I went from being a handmaiden to rad-fem/
terf due to the experience of seeing him visibly skinwalk/act like me and had no idea what was going on at the time or that I've also become anti-immigration because my country increased the rate like 400% in two years). When that narrative no longer makes sense, it's to mock
my delusions and stupidity. I spent a lot of time defending myself at first directly to the people he "recruited" but have since realized that was insane because why the fuck would I want to convince them of anything? There is no way anyone could ever convince me to join a group of people stalking someone I knew, for any reason. So fuck them, honestly kek
No. 2355100
>>2355097>what is bambi hypnoI would rather you google that
>he’s hypnotizing people to gang stalk you?God no, he's giving a group of drug addicts plausible deniability so they don't have to come to terms with the fucked up shit they're doing. It's a typical leftoid crowd, so drugs are rampant and anything porn-related
No. 2355104
>>2355100samefag but just to elaborate on
>had no idea what was going on at the timeI fully supported and believed in his "transition" at first, before it became clear it was porn and literally "becoming" me (or had heard anything about AGPs, other than Hontra's take). I've never experienced anything as bone-chilling as that and his drug use/erratic behavior escalated to a point I had never seen. I'm pretty sure he texted my family bizarre/humiliating things they didn't want to share, I know he texted a male friend of mine illicit photos, which were sent to me
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Not so much a mental disorder I can't stand, more so an ego defense that I can't stand: but, I really can't stand projection.
It seriously makes me so irritated when someone tries to project bullshit on me. What happened today was:
A distant relative of mine got scammed by a con artist with a long history of financial abuse. This con artist has been targeting my family for years, and everyone I know in my family has all but shafted the con artist except for this particular relative. Distant relative reveals to me that the con artist requested she send him $500, and I told her very plainly: "Don't do it, you won't see the money back, he's just trying to take advantage of you. It would be delusional to think you'd ever get the money back, so don't send it!" A few days after I warn her about it, she sends the con artist the money anyway, and naturally he takes advantage of her and she's lost $500.
I see her again today at a family event, and when we were conversing I mention that I'm going to try to exercise more often to lose some weight. Biggest mistake of my day because she then began a 10 minute tirade (yes, I counted) about how working out won't help me lose weight, that I'm already anorexic enough (for context I'm like 10lbs overweight and I'm in no way anorexic), that I won't see the results I want, and to top it off she said "You're delusional if you think that will work!" When she said that it all clicked. She's been feeling so guilty and stupid for getting scammed, and she doesn't wanna blame herself, so of course she releases all her self-doubt out on me because I'm the one that warned her about the con artist to begin with. To use such similar phrasing, especially the same word "delusional," makes it seem like she was waiting for the next time she'd run into me so that she could try to project her insecurity onto me. I just nodded along and agreed with her because I didn't think it was a wise battle to fight - that, and I knew deep down that what she was saying had nothing to do with me, it was all about her in that moment. She wanted to prove to me that she wasn't the delusional one for sending $500 to a conman, and she tried to prove that by bringing me down.
I just can't stand people that do this. It's like they can never actually admit that they've done anything wrong, or that they feel a certain way, so they try to push all their feelings onto you for some stupid reason. I used to have the same problem with an old acquaintance; she was terribly anxious whenever she was out and about, but she could never actually admit that to herself. Instead, whenever we'd go out she'd always say that I spoke too loud, or that I was too rambunctious, or that I brought too much attention to myself, even when it was nothing like that at all. It was so tiresome being around her because it felt like she was trying to create these flaws about me to distract from her own flaws that she so desperately wanted to hide.
Projection is such a stupid ego defense.
No. 2365253
>>2358557>she was terribly anxious whenever she was out and about, but she could never actually admit that to herself. Instead, whenever we'd go out she'd always say that I spoke too loud, or that I was too rambunctiousThat's projective identification, the final stage of projection. Person A feels something unpleasant, acts in a way that makes person B feel like that too
or goads B into reinforcing that feeling. It drives me nuts, i hate it when women (ime it's women usually) look at you with beady anxious eyes and ask you if you're doing well repeatedly until you snap, so they can go "see, you're stressed/angry". The way it's done is forceful, like they're not sastisfied with a simple yes, they
demand a negative reply. Hate hate hate hate it, i hope that next time it happens i'll remember to reply "no,
you feel like shit, i'm fine thank you".
No. 2366291
>>2366284Yes I knew exactly what you were talking about.
>>2366278 this sperg is the one whose posts get deleted, at times
dozens a day and they're fixated on the idea of other schizos because theyre asshurt and pretend everyone is writing them letters. They have resorted to deleting their own posts within seconds (sometimes posting 10 times in a row basically) and lash out on anyone they see as an online enemy kek. They are trying to pin their psychosis on others because they're permabanned.
No. 2366419
>>2366341>>2366340KEK
>>2366332Woah. I'm fascinated by female autists who were somehow coddled into acting more like their male counterparts. Honestly i don't know why you should put up with
all of that. How did you even become friends? Shared interest?
>She’s been going around outing this girlMaybe you should
trigger her sense of justice by having her face what she did to that woman
>>2327417Have a friend like this (actual autist with paranoid tendencies), i'm somewhat worried for her even if she's doing great, overall. I really get you, it's hard when you can't tell if it's
just their baseline autism or if it's worsening into proper schizo shit. The overlap is real, autistic people are more vulnerable to delusions but it's not well known
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>>2366419>fascinated by female autists who were coddled into acting more like their male counterpartsHonestly me too. Kek if I didn’t have a front row seat I would probably admire her ability to totally resist the pleasantness pressure of female socialization. I wouldn’t necessarily say she was coddled, she grew up kinda poor and has a lot of insecurities with status symbols. Although she was an only child and her dad is a creepy cult leader lite type of failed artist
>How did you even become friends? Shared interest?She’s four calendar years older which would be negligible but we met in high school. I was going through an edgelord phase at the time and felt very validated by the “cool” senior who loved my jokes
and would buy me/had sources for drugs and alcohol. We did have shared sperg interests like 90s anime and pokemon games but mostly I think I just liked having an outlet to be a nasty little shit and she was stunted enough to entertain it
>Maybe you should trigger her sense of justice by having her face what she did to that womanWhen I tried to tell her she was going way too far she got all smug about her “basic observation skillz” like a Sherlock monologue. Then the black and white autist logic kicked in and she called me a handmaiden. Really just topkek
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Parents like picrel. I hate how they get so much sympathy just because they're just sharing emotional thought processes that they know are irrational. Yes that's better than thinking they're totally rational and nothing's wrong with them, but if you suffer from shit like this, you shouldn't have chosen to be a parent to begin with. Simple as that. Go to CBT/DBT or some shit and don't compete with your unborn child.
No. 2379281
>>2379269It's unintentionally manipulative, that's why. They're even more difficult than overt narcissists imo because you have to walk on eggshells for their anxious sensitivity all the time. I notice these types are incredibly
toxic and passive aggressive if you piss them off as well.
No. 2379337
>>2379334I think they're fully aware they're passive aggressive. I'd like to believe this types are as apologetic as they seem but generally their apologies are because they believe
other people are just as burdensome as they are when it comes to completely trivial issues and they expect you to walk the exact same batshit, imaginary tightrope they do. When you don't, the biting passive aggression begins.
No. 2379437
>>2379410I don't know her or her situation, maybe this is something she could work on in therapy. What helped me was understanding how unfair it was for me to project my trauma with my parents onto everyone, most people never gave me any reason to do so, so I realized how absurd I was being. To stop this habit I set boundaries, like I would avoid saying sorry. Every time I would feel the impulse to say or write it I would create a new sentence of my feelings that didn't have sorry in it. Sometimes I just wanted to say a thank you or ask about something, but my mind would have twisted into feeling guilty or fearful, taking this step back made me realize how my mind skewed the situation and put some new perspective on it. If I understood how my twisted mind worked, I could think ahead of it and cut it off before it happened. I also made an effort to actually listen and believe what people said to me. I was unfairly projecting my own inner monologue onto people, I would filter their words into what I thought they meant, which would get me into these stupid sorry cycles. When someone says it's ok I go with it because the minimum respect I owe to people is to actually listen to them and sort out my inner feelings with myself, not with others.
I guess my advice would be, to avoid saying sorry as much as you can and stop and think really hard before saying it, and to truly listen, and respect what people tell you. Not because people don't lie, but because she actually needs to try to communicate with people instead of being stuck in her twisted mind and assuming what people mean or feel.
No. 2379447
>>2379269My friend did this A LOT as a teen but thankfully she grew out of it. She still does it sometimes, but not nearly on the same level. Honestly the best thing to do at that moment if you don't want to deal with it is to ghost for a few hours until they've calmed down and then pretend like you just got distracted or busy. Feeding into the circle in the moment doesn't help. Do NOT match their energy to reassure them because that's what they're (subconsciously) seeking, that just "rewards" the habit so they'll want to do it more often.
The other thing you can do IF you have the energy for it, is to tell them to stop putting themselves down in front of you and others because it hurts others when they do that. Then you have to be consistent and remind them every time they say sorry that you don't want to hear it. Ask them to instead rephrase it in a nicer way, force them to rethink their words and actions in that moment. You kind of have to commit to helping them if you do it, which is not YOUR job to do so I'd only do it if it's someone you really care for.
For my friend her parents were a bit neglectful and collectively blamed her for what her siblings did wrong when she had no part in it, when asked they said it would be "unfair" if she was the only one to not get punished. Even though she was the only one who didn't do anything, so she'd constantly get punished and yelled at for things she didn't do leading her confidence and self-worth to tank.
No. 2379548
>>2379447I had pretty much the same upbringing lots of anons here described (constantly blamed for everything even if it wasn’t my fault, parents constantly moving goalposts and then blaming me for not living up to their ever-changing expectations, and when I say blaming I mean beatings and yelling and name-calling etc). Thanks to this I got into a bad relationship early on so I could gtfo of there, and when we broke up his whole family blamed me. You get the pattern.
No money for therapy but all of the above mentioned people did me the biggest fucking favor in making me want to kms. Thinking about the logistics of my death and funeral made me think about all the fake crying and theatrics they would pull to make themselves look like loving family members, and that single-handedly slapped me out of my
victim mindset and self-pitying.
I decided to literally be evil and stay alive as long as possible out of pure spite.
I also saw that apologizing, people-pleasing and self-flagellation was me unknowingly perpetuating the same performative ‘good girl’ act that my mom did, because I did stuff nobody asked me to and then got passive aggressive when they didn’t appreciate this thing I did ‘for them’. Except it wasn’t for them, it was so that I could feel like a goody two shoes sweetie pie and force them to like me and be nice to me out of obligation. If I felt jilted I’d cry to someone else behind their back and make myself out to be a kind-hearted martyr who just wants to help but the cruel meanie just won’t give me a chance. Literal nice guy mentality but for women.
Anyway I got therapy and I’m normal now, but the first step was deciding that it’s okay to be an evil bitch. I can’t describe how huge of a deal that was, and I recommend you suggest it to your friend. Not joking, literally saved my life.
No. 2380295
>>2379446It's very kind of you to empathize with your friend and consider her upbringing in mind. I'm not the kind of person to screech "nuuuu they're
toxic" or "reeeee cut them off" when I know nothing of the situation, but my post is still something to consider. I feel sympathy for people who refuse to get off of that imagery tightrope, but my line is drawn at them pretending the rest of us should be up there with them in order to get you to grovel at them.
No. 2381251
>>2379269I feel bad for this type because they often were punished for expressing their needs as a child but whenever you have a conflict, they will NEVER say a word about what supposedly hurts them. They'll just ignore you or smile and act like everything's flowers and rainbows while glaring at you from the side and expecting you to read their minds.
Also, since they think the only way to be liked is to be a huge pushover and completely capitulate their identity, they expect YOU to do it too. They absolutely despise assertive and volitional people who don't take shit from anyone for that same reason. They mask with this sweet baby persona but god forbid you go your own way and then be prepared for hours of tard rage screeching from them.
No. 2381732
Went out the other day. It was nice to finally get away from my older moid sibling (cant move out due to CoL).
Stayed out for a bit longer, yes it was late at night but still. I have my phone on silent, as I want peace of mind, to check my phone on MY terms, rather than being harassed at his will. Im very shy so I hate calling – he knows this. Checked my phone once in a while to see if he texted me, which he likes to do randomly, then guilt me in front of the whole family when I return, if I dont see it/dont respond. Nothing.
Theres a constant feeling of dread, even when I go out, due to this veiled threat of harassment lurking in the background.
Turns out the moid sibling texted AND called while I was driving home. My phone was on silent, so I didnt discover this until I got back. The moid sibling was panicking, and said he was going to drive to where he knows I went (other relative tells him where were going), in case the truck broke down/I got carjacked/etc. I was guilted for not replying by family, while he looked like just a "nice guy who cares" about my safety.
Feels like harassment as punishment for going out, that might one day turn into stalking. Hes always trying to dissuade me from going out, trying to guilt me into having him drive, etc. Later, the older relative showed the moid sibling a site that shows camera footage of highways, and he said hes very interested in watching.
Another thing is this moid has anger issues.
- I was woken up by him banging something. He was unable to break apart de-icing salt, which he decided to do when I was sleeping at like 1AM. He ended up ragequitting, getting angry and slamming it on the ground.
- A female cashier jokingly said "no" when he requested something about his account. For her serious crime against his ego, he glared at her, said nothing. Then he walked out when she wished him a nice day, he said nothing. This was applauded by family members, as him standing up for himself/being alpha.
- Said he wanted to take a baseball bat to a light, because it was flickering, while working on Dad's truck.
- Runs up our parents electricity bill by running 2 fans under his vehicle when its raining. He thinks this will prevent moisture damage, due to puddles underneath it. Moids are the biggest wastes of money, air, and space ever.
Not sure which type of mental disorder this counts as, or even if it does. But being male should count as its own mental disorder anyway.
No. 2383222
>>2383109That's how I felt in a relationship with a bippie: he reduced me to television/cinema tropes, I cried once then I was a "perpetual
victim", I was tired once after work and then I was "always cold", it reminded me of tumblr fandom spaces when a character says I love bread once and then its whole character is Bread Guy.
It irritated me so much because when I acted out of it or tried to find new hobbies, he went on with his whiny voice going "I didn't expect you to be like this!!!" like why? Why not? You didn't expect people to find new hobbies or change due to major events? Especially, he told me I was colder after losing a relative, what the fuck did you expect? For someone that claims empathy, they're always so self centered and unable to read other's emotions, because the moment they do not align with their mental theatre, they see it as betrayal. Tiring.
No. 2384399
>>2384349Same nona here. Exhausting for sure. I have to plan meal prep, sleeping schedule at all hours, just to avoid him. His sleeping schedule often follows mine, no matter which time of day/night I wake up. Thank God for grey rocking, vagueness helps throw him off.
He in particular is also very panicy about stupid crap. Like for ex would not stop pestering mom and I repeatedly for me to login to our parents account to see if the vehicle insurance was paid, since apparently no one else can do it. Even mom, a boymom who favors him, had to tell him to stop asking her about it, when she was getting breakfast. He kept bringing it up anyway, and running up/down the steps with his shoes on, as he always wears them indoors. He harassed me about it, while I was having lunch in my own room. I told him no. He sent Dad to bother me about it, ignored him. Every month, he panics about this, but to a lesser extent. Thats just 1 thing.
Dont mean to sound gross but..I think my constant acne and other health issues, incl gut health and unable to empty my bladder fully at once, are because of this moid. Like if someone doesnt wait to pee while flushing the toilet, then pause to pee when the toilet can flush again, he could hear every drop of piss as his room is right next to the bathroom. He will even mock another person who doesnt wait to pee, times how long they run the tap for [the one good thing is he cares about hygiene], gossips behind their back and shame them for it. Plus he always liked to harass me when I went to the bathroom. I feel safer and more private peeing in a public bathroom.
So much unnecessary stress.
No. 2384536
>>2381732>Not sure which type of mental disorder this counts as, or even if it doesBased off of this post and your other one it sounds like he has OCD. Granted the fact your family enables this and doesn’t pushback on his behavior hasn’t helped at all, but the belief that he’s objectively correct is not only an affliction of the Y chromosome but is made worse by the (probable) OCD. I came across an article or book a year or so ago that mentioned men with OCD are more likely to be
abusive as well, so take that as you will.
No. 2385336
>>2384412>>2384536Thats interesting and eye opening, thank you. So its typical moid projection when he mocks our female cat as being OCD, when she paws in her litterbox after shes finished. I feel like he has a combination of OCD, narcissism, moidery, controlling behavior, and creepiness, which Ill give further examples below.
I avoid him when possible, and grey rock when I cant. But Im interested in what else I can do to get him to leave me alone – and more on his psychology.
Another OCD thing is tied in with his persecution complex. Like he checks around his truck obsessively, making sure that theres no signs of someone tampering with it. He once said to me, he found a feather [yes, really], and said he wonder who put that near his truck, watching to see my facial expression as if he could catch me acting guilty. He likes staring to see my facial expressions, to then "report" me to mom who then turns the entire family against me. He likes listening to my convos in the other room. Might as well put english ivy near his truck canopy to give him something to do lol, but his truck canopy has a camera inside it.
He still seethes about being bullied in elem school, at work, and by former friends making him the butt of the joke. He even stalked his male exfriend, waited outside his house, after they joked too much about him – while he silently glared and said nothing. I feel like hes just waiting to take out all that anger on someone [me].
I appreciate your ideas to get him to move out. If I did any shaming of him, it would just make me even more of a potential target. Dad tried this but was shamed by mom. Now my brother says he has a "right" to live at home. Also, my brother hates women [even before mom got him to watch redpill crap], so him and mom would trash talk the hypothetical woman rejecting the loser moid. He innately hated women and girls so much even as a child. When he was told his sibling [me] was going to be a girl coming home from the hospital, not a brother, he trashed my room before I ever got home after I was just born. This was retold endearingly by mom years ago, now she denies it.
Any abuse he does, its justified by mom with, "well he thinks you hate him", which is what she said when she justified his bathroom harassment. I called him a creep, her response was to tell me to never call him that again.
His anger issues are why Im so afraid of getting in the passenger seat with him. He put the whole family in danger when he drove crazy once, because a dealership ended up not having a truck he wanted to buy. Even other people noticed, but he faced no punishment and is still known as a good driver lol.
Another time, when there was a medical emerg for another relative, in the waiting room, the moid was repeatedly was asking mom if he could be the one to drive me home [I went with mom on the way there]. It was so creepy, and I felt like an object being passed around. It also gave me flashbacks to the time he tried to run my feet over in grade 7, earlier that year I had toenail surgery. When I asked him why, he was silent and glaring ahead, playing loud music he knew I hated. Thankfully, a mechanic did work on his vehicle and it was lost in a fire. Ironically, this moid was the only one to warn me theres a fire, parents were outside content to let me burn I guess.
Any other ideas/feedback how to deal with this moid is welcome.
No. 2385622
>>2381732This is straight up abuse. Idk about the OCD talk, "OCD" is vague anyways and describes external or internal repetition-compulsion patterns, it's not indicative of personality (what i mean by vague). He's a controlling, domineering retard and that might be because of a personality disorder or something else.
Don't know either about "narcisissm". Narcissism is about having a self esteem that's so low you overcompensate with grandiosity and self-obsession. Your brother sounds like a nightmare.
>Turns out the moid sibling texted AND called while I was driving home. My phone was on silent, so I didnt discover this until I got back. The moid sibling was panicking, and said he was going to drive to where he knows I wentThis is not anxiety about idk, checking if the stove is on. A BPD relative of mine would do things like this and it was part of a web of control, coercion and constant surveillance because she couldn't calm her extreme negative emotions and fear of abandonment. He's using the truck as an excuse to resolve whatever problem he has, and as a device to exert control over you. He's miserable and is trying to drag down others to his miserable state. I'm so angry on your behalf, i'd want to beat him to a pulp kekkkk
>Dad tried this but was shamed by momAha, this is probably a big issue. As soon as you mentioned your boymom i knew something like this was going on. He's a domestic tyrant because your dad won't step up and embody rules. Maybe i'm wrong but this is such a common family structure, overbearing mother, faulty father, insane pervert son. Please leave ASAP. And tell him what you think about him when you're safe. He deserves some verbal abuse in return.
No. 2385693
Autists with no sense of survival skills.
I'm a high functioning autist, I was diagnosed in my youth and I underwent psychotherapy for a very long time. I learned all about human behaviours, how to act appropriately in public, how to recognize cruelty or aggression in others, etc., and although I can still be pretty spergy online and with friends, I'm very socially aware and careful in public. I think that's what makes autists with no social skills and no sense of survival more infuriating to me, because I know that if they only focused on actually fixing their poor behaviours and retarded thought processes, then they could do it. But instead, they act like perpetual victims of an uncaring and cold system.
The part that makes me mad is that they insist upon their victimhood. They insist that others are the problem and not them, even when they act like total retards. If I were to walk into the tiger exhibit at my local zoo, I wouldn't complain that the tigers were eating me because that's what's to be expected. It's like they go around acting like total social retards and then get pissy when people treat them poorly. I'm so tired of the victim mentality.
No. 2385749
>>2385622>>2385623Thanks, yes it is a nightmare.
Not sure if this is a narcissistic manipulation tactic or what: he does something in a way that if I stand up for myself, he can act like hes just a nice sensitive innocent guy/
victim, and Im the mean evil woman whos acting hysterical. He uses the advantage of having others back him up, as theyre very fooled about what he really is. So either I dont stand up to him, or I do and get ganged up on/punished somehow.
While hes not stereotypically narcissitic, as he doesnt brag about his looks [lol manlet], he does have entitlement. For ex: I like to tend to the veg garden that I plant myself, which he successfully stalled me for a year or 2 [making me unable to bring my cats out to the safe garden enclosure that keeps out raccoons. Now that its built, my cats are now deceased. When working on it, he would bee-line toward me; pretend to do some himself, then give up and say hell do it tomorrow which never happened; tell me to go inside since Im embarrassing him in case the neighbors think were "crazy" despite him hating the neighbors anyway; take the keys from me pretending to need something from the truck, then immed put the keys in his pockets; stands there 2 ft away watching my every move, etc.] Yet, now he has his dog [who I love] go in the garden area to pee/crap. I told him not to let his dog pee on the food, and he laughed and said, "Well…" as if he will still let it happen. If I ban him from letting the dog in the garden, everyone will act like Im so mean, and hes just a nice guy trying to take his elderly dog for a walk :( See the manipulation? Or hed just lie anyway.
Last summer, before he put the camera in his truck canopy, some of the dog pee just happened to splash inside, but it didnt have much effect. He claims to love his dog, but wont even let him in the truck canopy. I was so tempted to throw his dogs crap on his truck, but then he might be violent to me. Think I might spray vinegar around the garden area, so the dog will hopefully avoid the area, as I dont want to put anything to harm the dog.
I want to leave, better yet, he should leave. Right now Im building a credit score, as I wasnt taught about this. I didnt know a credit score was required to move out/get an apartment, or a phone, or a vehicle. Its scary. I couldve been legit homeless if I had to leave. Ive made progress. My social anxiety is so pathetic, I had to embolden myself to ask the clerk for a credit card for the first time, a while ago. Ill forever be grateful for the nonas here who helped me realize the dangers of men in general, and helped me take that first step.
If I get a job [cant seem to get past the interview stage, no references too], it will likely require transportation, as we live in a small town with hardly any jobs. So that means he could tamper with the vehicle, then gleefully play the nice guy who helps by picking me up from being stranded or whatever. Or pressure me to have him drive/pick me up in his personal vehicle if the main truck stops working, he would love that. Esp since I missed his call last year, and he had to walk home, because his vehicle broke down. He didnt call Dad, uber, or a taxi, he just had to center me out. I sometimes wonder if it really did break down, and if that was just more conditioning.
Im hoping his decades of unhealthy eating habits will catch up with him soon, but knowing how things sometimes go, it could take decades more. I feel terrible sometimes, thinking this way, but he wont let me have peace. He sometimes gets shakiness due to hunger, which he uses to guilt mom into hurrying and making his food lol. Once he mentioned a chest pain. I just happened to not notice that the new pizza he was going to try had 80% sodium, but now he likes it and keeps getting more. Oh darn.
Im dreading my own bday, as he will probably try to ruin it somehow. Last year he enjoyed asking me to take a pic of him with his dog, right after my cats died. He stopped getting me bday sister cards, while Im expected by family to get him bday brother cards. Mom told me I need to be the first to wish him happy new year etc, before I can expect him to wish me the same. You see, his feelings are hurt since he can "feel" my hatred of him, when all I do is avoid and grey rock him. How dare I not enthusiastically enjoy his controlling harassment!
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>>2385623Also, not sure if he even goes on Reddit, but I like your thinking. All I know is that he uses Facebook, which I stopped using long ago. Years ago, I joined, asked him to add me, he panicked because he said his friends will ask him about me. He reluctantly added me, so who knows what he tells people about me.
I know his email and phone, but he will know its me if I send spam lol.
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There is a variant of anorexia that seems to be accompanied with psychosis. I have a hard time connecting with other people who have eating disorders because many of them have what I call, "psychotic anorexia." This particular user is unhinged. Any budding psychologists feel free to use this as a research idea.
No. 2394977
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Ok this might be a bit of a blogposting but I'm trying to make sense with a situation: how many of you are/think are on the spectrum and fell victim of a narc/bpd for years?
I'm doing therapy because my last relationship was so bad it broke me and we are talking about something: maybe my bpd/narc partner was attracted to my autism. Keep in mind that this is just a theory but I can draw the patterns and its making me sick but if i can make some other nonna think/talk about it I consider it a success:
My abusive partner, which most likely has either bpd/narc tendencies but he's absolutely on the Cluster B, loved my autism because it complimented all of his destructive needs.
My desire to be accepted complimented his lovebombing and I fell for it so bad, I almost feel stupid now, my cooldown moments gave him a reason to put up fights and he played with my empathy and fueled my low self esteem and I got addicted to the highs I got from him pulling me back, sometimes I even worried if we were not fighting despite the massive pain he inflicted to me because I saw through his bullshit and connected the dots about how for him love was fighting and yeah, stupid as I was, I accepted that because if he wasn't up my ass then he was talking to other girls (actually cheated a few times but of course I blamed my emotional skills for that). My special interests, which were writing and crafting, time consuming hobbies, were first steps for calling me an egoistical whore that made him suffer for not using that time for him but his videogame time was sacred, he canceled dates for gaming, he forgot my birthday a couple of times because "You know I'm depressed and my days are melting into each other sorry" but got mad if I didn't plan a grandieuse party for him because "I'm such a materialistic bitch, why can't I do that for him, if I loved myself so much to treat me to collecting stuff then I could spare some of that love for him, right?" He told me that he couldn't do shit for me because "he was depressed" and if he played games instead of going out with me for anniversaries and such, it was "a small step to recover, because I'm making myself happy so I can be happy with you."
In the end, suffering made space for confusion, to this day I still don't know what made him act like this. Yes of course, his mental illness, but it doesn't make sense to me. As I sad, since I'm an autist, I tend to view things logically more than with my heart and yes, I know that's something I still need to work on, but it doesn't make sense to me how there's a mental illness that makes you suffer but makes you so blind to the suffering of others and then at the end of the day makes everyone run away from you, you have nothing else to blame but yourself. They could just stop, literally. They do this to themselves. Oh and I lost counts of all the times I was called "cold" because I had shit to do in the morning and I couldn't stay up all night to listen to his endless ramblings about stuff that had happened 10-20 years prior but during the day (which he passed sleeping) I was the one providing for him. He sucked my life dry and that was particularly traumatic for me because I was just learning how to live with my socially stunted autism when this demon showed up and immediately latched into my desire to be understood and now I have to cope with my autism and with all the traumatic traits he projected into me. Demon, dirt, trash that's what he is. I considered myself caring, not an empath because I don't even know what that means to be honest, but at least caring, loving, kind, people described me as such before but to him I was the most materialistic, narcissist, egoistical bitch and idk, blame my negative bias, but now I feel cold and I'm always wary of other people, I refuse or turn down any nice gesture for the fear of falling again into this shit and I've become even lonelier. Fuck him.
No. 2395787
Male autism. Female autism can get pretty fucked up too but male autism gives an excuse for the moid to act his worst out and their back is always covered by mommy. Male autist are also disgusting, they often smell, everything is disgusting about them, once I saw an autistic male that was allowed to spit food out during lunches and dinner, on the table, because he was nonverbal so that was his way to say that he was not hungry anymore. I already have a little patience with kids, cannot imagine to live with one for all of my life if I ever birth an autistic son, they all should be locked up somewhere and I cannot stand the major coping of the parents that even the child is barely there, they say that he's sensitive, kind and clever, like what? How? Just because he hugs you like a basic human response? Jesus christ…idk if I despise the mental retardation autism or the heavily socially stunted one.
No. 2395887
Whatever mental illness or mental retardation causes NEETs to be the most insufferable people alive. I have no idea what it is, but at least 75% of all NEETs share the same psychology.
They have so much self-loathing, but somehow, someway, that's society's fault! They have so much anxiety and depression, but they're totally incapable of ringing a doctor and asking for a script to feel better. They have no social skills, but they won't learn about them or practice them with all their time off, no, they'll languish and fester in their inadequacy and then whine about the world being too scary. They'll treat everyone as disposable pieces of trash, and act like an asshole to any stranger, but as soon as they get that same energy back at them, they'll burst into tears and scream "abuse! abuse!" They want everything handed to them on a silver platter because somehow they've deluded themselves into thinking that that's how it went for everyone else, because they hate to admit that people have to work to succeed, because they can't accept that they don't want to succeed. They mooch of their parents for life, but they'll still come online to complain about their parents as soon as their chief enablers dare to say "no."
Petulant, vindictive, self-loathing, maladjusted adults that would do anything to be seen and treated as a child forever. They have all the time in the world to improve themselves, to get better: but, the truth that they don't want to admit is that they don't want to get better. They want to be enabled for the rest of their days, they want to be coddled and cared for forever because they are the pinnacle of selfishness and egoism. They don't want to succeed in life because they've already succeeded in their bedrooms, alone and isolated, where the only thing that matters is waking up, and that's good enough for them.
No. 2396342
>>2396005Ayrt, nobody does actual funded research on it because it's ableist and mean to the Cluster Bs and also nobody would participate. But it's well known that narcissists go after autists because they can be more naive, be less predictive of their
abusive behaviour thanks to their difficulty with social cues, etc. It's basically common sense. Autists have their weaknesses compared to normies, and what do narcissists love? Weaknesses of course.
Reddit posts do give plenty of proof though. Just look for posts by autists in the raised by narcissists or loved ones subreddits, or straight from autism subreddits, it's a pretty common jackpot.
I could even share anecdotes, firsthand and secondhand, but they don't belong itt.
No. 2397339
>>2395977My ex was like this.
Wealthy, loving and supporting family to the point that they bought him a house and funded his trooning surgeries (funny huh) while he was a neet only to make him happy since he got depressed for whatever the fuck reason, he treated them like shit afterwards, cut off every contact and sat in his house without working because I was the one working (I was living on my own and didn't want to move because I started to smell that something was off) and thus I could give him food and he asked me for my part of bills when I went over in the weekends then he loved disrupting my sleep only to fight and argue, blamed me for all of his problems, called me a narc…still wondered how he was born like this, his family was okay, his sisters were hard working nice ladies and his mother was very loving….what the fuck…
No, they never coddled him in infancy/teenage years, in fact they started to tell him to get a fucking job and he told them several times that if he didn't got what he wanted he would kill himself. I guess that you would anything to avoid a dead son, if you don't have a grasp of how being a bpdemon works.
No. 2407294
Everyone talks about the toxic romantic relationship traits of bpd and rightfully so, they're demons that can ruin your life but also bpd friendships are tiresome. Since they have no identity, they latch into yours and you either end up with a copycat friend, who also copies your career or you have this shifting person that you can end up "not knowing" from one day to the other. yes, different people can be friends, but in the span of 2 years I saw a friend of mine going under at least 5-6 personality phases where she was first a green vegan girl, then a blonde bombshell, then she was a tif with a typical fujo persona (no male is like that), with a clumsy and nerdy guy and she talked about herself with male pronouns, then now she's a cybergoth. It's tiring and the first time I thought I lost "my dear friend" and I went into mourning, then I realize that she was an empty shell and my friend was never there. It's tiring, is like having to do with multiple moody teenagers all at once and I'm tired of that shit, I have shit to do, and I want to relax when I'm with friends and all of her arguments were about herself and her journey about discovering herself, when there's no self to discover and the biggest joke is that she is capable to hold this facade at work. She knows that if she gets moody at work, people can fire her and yet doesn't get why she's losing friends one by one. I distanced myself from her by clearly saying that I find difficult to relate and talk with people very different than me and I don't like walking on the eggshells for the trigger of the month and yet she cannot understand. Not my problem and yes, I can be envious of her mask when she holds a job properly (I can't because I have a very confrontational attitude and I don't get shit from moids kek but this only at work, I don't take it seriously as long it makes me survive) but I cannot imagine how her head feels like various circles of hell overlapping and getting the high of getting obsessed with new thing over and over. Failed people, wasted existence.
No. 2407512
>>2385753>Facebook, email and phoneThe snoop thread has a lot of resources that will help you find a ton of info on your brother using his email and phone.
If you want to be more involved in the psyop, here's how:
Make a fake Facebook account that has none of your real information, make it on whatever device you don't normally access Facebook on and use a VPN just in case. Go on your brother's profile to see what he's posted and to see his friends. He might have some information there about his interests and where else he hangs out online.
Then go to his friends' profiles. See what they're interested in. If you go back far enough on their Facebooks you can probably find their usernames for other sites- find those accounts.
Then you google his friends. Look up where they live, what jobs they have, what income bracket they're in, and what their other socials are. This will give you a better idea of what they might respond well to, eg if they're all in shitty jobs, they might respond well to finance bros; if they live somewhere prone to flooding, they might follow someone who posts tips about flooding and insurance. Then you tailor your online persona to fit their interests.
You're going to want to make burner accounts on all the sites they hang out on, and focus your attention on the ones they spend the most time on. Start posting about things that interest them at the same times they tend to be online. Chances are you'll interact with one of your brother's friends or your brother. Don't exclusively interact with them, make sure you talk to a bunch of other similar users, you want to look legit.
Then, when you're buddies with them, you can start posting the stuff that's tailor made to bother your brother.
Always link your retarded posts back to some source that looks credible, ideally one that you know your brother trusts. Don't go full schizo, always tie your concerns back to something kind of normal. Like, if you post about poop particles being transmitted to vehicle seats via farts, also post about how you always knew public transport was filthy, and say that you clean your own truck seats every morning and night to make sure the seats are free from turds. This might prompt your brother to spend more time outside with his truck, and he'll punish you by making you use public transport (which he probably won't use himself, so he won't accompany you). This will give you a bit more freedom, especially if you get a job.
Don't feel bad about his eating habits, he deserves it. Maybe post about ultra processed foods being more efficient to digest and all the concern around them being nothing more than a psyop engineered by women to make men less virile.
If you're worried that your brother can hear you typing, write out some posts on a word document and copy paste them when you want to post. Choose a distant city to live in, post about the weather there, the local news, local places, anything to make you look like you live somewhere completely different (but in the same timezone). Be the chad that your brother wants to become. Talk about how moving out made you lose 800lbs and get a stunning wife who never disagrees with you. Be firm in your convictions that moving out of state is what made you into the rich successful married man you are today. Talk about how you're highly respected at work. Brag about how you never ask any women about their unimportant lives, it takes up too much valuable space in your brain that could be used to make money. Insinuate that any man who's still living at home with female relatives is in this sad state because he cares about their lives too much. Your brother will eventually get the hint.
No. 2408139
>>2383065that was my former friend - she thinks she's psychic, calls herself an empath, the whole nine yards. Turned out to be a lying, manipulative POS. They're all the fucking same. They feed into these delusions of themselves until they believe it.
>>2383222I was also in a relationship with a male bippie and he was a huge piece of shit just like you described. God forbid I ever reduced him to the label of hyper-controlling ugly piece of trash, but he had no problem calling me a "baby" when I was sad (I barely cried in front of that man, when I did I was punished for having feelings), no problem telling me I was a terrible pet owner because I worried about my cat too much, and he had no problem making up stories like "You never took out the trash, I always had to do it" when I ALWAYS took out the trash (I had to beg this man to brush his teeth at one point, yes I'm a retard, that's why he's an ex) and there were a FEW times I asked him to bring it down to the block for me, usually when he was at home jerking off and not working. They're absolutely insane - incapable of even fully realizing themselves, let alone others around them.
>>2384400My ex friend posted some huge passive aggressive series of posts on social media about how she needs someone who isn't going to just "throw her away" and needs someone on her "healing journey". Stupid bitch with main character syndrome, she thinks that I was supposed to just let her threaten suicide and have a toddler-sized tantrum over something so insignificant, barrel into her room, cry loudly for 20+ minutes, and then have the audacity to rant at me because I didn't reassure her that I wasn't mad at her? She needed me to just be her stupid punching bag, and there was no end to it. THe shit I did to make this stupid bitch 'comfortable' earns me a psych ward stay, or at least an increase in my SSRI.
No. 2409224
tl;dr I fed rabbits, food went too close to moids truck hes obsessed with guarding, cant move rabbit food due to dangerous ice, now I fear his reaction.
Cant sleep because my moid brother is banging stuff, opening/closing doors dozens of times, maybe panicking? How will I ever get a job when he keeps me awake?
I fed the rabbits the other day, by throwing pieces of vegetables out far away from our home. I did so because we had a lot of snow, so I thought rabbits/other animals had a scarce food supply. Big mistake, with this moid around!
Usually mom says this is ok to do, as long as none lands near her precious moids trucks, but she wasnt there at the time and I did it anyway. What a rebel I am lol.
So the last veg pieces I threw blew in the wind, towards my brothers truck canopy. Theres snow on top of ice, so I didnt go out and move these veg pieces, plus in doing so I would leave snow tracks, and hed freak out about that. The day before I fed rabbits, he said as long as animals "dont cause trouble"/ruin his truck, then theyre welcome in his canopy, yet its the coldest temps here. What a nice guy! Yet he openly laughs that his dog pees/craps in my veg garden on the food that I planted.
Basically my brother obsessively monitors, incl with a camera inside the canopy, any "suspicious" activity near his trucks which he obv cares about more than his family. There was a time when he freaked out upon finding construction materials nearby his truck, despite construction happening on our street. For a few days, him and mom were nuts, threatening "whoever did it" with disgusting violent fantasies, when this place wasnt eerily silent. I thought he would take it out on someone here, but he didnt thankfully. Even when he finds things like feathers near his truck, he asks me "who put it there". He thinks someone puts stuff to attract rodents, so rodents can go inside and ruin his trucks.
Im afraid he will find the veg pieces soon, as he just said theres rabbit tracks all around it, maybe he will check it out. I have an event that I have to go to soon, that he might ruin/cause drama. He might accuse me of leaving food near his trucks "on purpose", making mom turn against me too. Im so afraid Ill get accused of the other stuff he found near his trucks, when its got nothing to do with me.
Besides gray rocking, what can I do, if he panics, runs up/down the stairs repeatedly telling mom what he found, shouting, is hostile, etc? Its all so ridiculous, but this is my reality.
Not sure if others can relate to dealing with whatever mental disorder this moid has? I hardly see examples of similar situations, but Im sure they exist.
>>2407512Same nonna here, randomly checked this thread to find your response. I truly appreciate the level of detail you went into, with examples, and everything. Thank you. Ive updated with more recent stuff above.
No. 2410371
>>2410235It’s the same with anything. Moids get even a little of it and they’re whining all the fucking time about it. Women suffer from migraines much more (actual, neurological migraines), and men won’t shut the fuck up if they get a little headache. Women get severely depressed a lot more (hormones + we live in a moid society), and men get a little depressed and they won’t shut the fuck up about it. They love being
victims.
No. 2410654
The night before I had a medical appointment, my older brother just had to make noise all the way til the morning. Then I hear him laugh when the dog starts barking in the morning, which he let happen for a while. Meanwhile when brothers sleeping, myself or mom rush to calm down the dog to not wake him.
I got a few hours sleep. I come down to get food. Guess who randomly walks in from outside? Right off the bat, my brother asks me annoying questions, like if I just woke up. Despite having his own 2 vehicles, he takes the car I was using near the appointment time, so he can get coffee.
I get back from the medical appointment, and just want to lay down. Nope! My brothers using power tools for some pointless truck modification. Surprisingly, mom eventually told him to stop and he did.
Later, just because my brother eavesdropped and heard me saying "I hope I can sleep tonight" to mom, when asking her to tell him to not do the noisy things he did that prevented me from sleeping – he is being eerily quiet and acting depressed. Hes the type to never forget any tiny thing he thinks was mean to him, seething about it for years, with anger issues ofc.
RN hes playing the victim. He does this everytime I set a tiny boundary, as a prelude to his reaction – to turn the entire family against me over this. He whines again to mom who will take his side, as if Im a mean person who "hates them" – mom likes to also accuse me of hating her too, when he does this. This reaction of his is my punishment for setting boundaries. How dare I want to sleep!
What mental disorder is he displaying, besides being an XY? What can I do, when the inevitable boymom/coddled brother turn everyone against me, as if Im evil for not wanting him to keep me awake?
No. 2412092
>>2411920Ayrt, could be
considering I have it myself diagnosed and it's apparently genetic kek. Or something under that umbrella.
No. 2415125
>>2414257The only
valid victims of BPD abuse are women and children. I laugh so hard whenever men whine about their ebil BPD ex-girlfriends who stole their money or damaged their reputation.
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>>2415557Those are not "autism drugs", they're benzos, they're used to restrain anyone but there are no autism drugs. I'll tell you why I believe that ADHD and Autism are not the same thing and before you ask no, I'm not a doctor but doctors also diagnose troonism so I'm free to not believe them at all when they come up with things to fuck up other psych diagnoses
First of all: the removal of Asperger diagnoses really did the real spergs dirty by blending them together with tards. There are two types of autism: Kanner and Asperger.
Kanner Autists are the tard ones: stunted growth, semi or nonverbal, shit in diaper type of autism or in less severe cases, those type of autists that are loud, mentally stunted, don't perform well in school since they can barely read and write and such…they're the very slow (but very, a 40 year old autism has a mental age of a third grader) developing autists, think of Chris Chan, he's clearly a Kanner autist.
Asperger Autists are spergs: very logically intelligent but are not really connected to emotions (that's why they can pass as sociopaths), crave organization and order or things made in "their way", they share this trait with OCD people, they are adverse to textures and sounds, meanwhile Kanner autists are loud and they're most likely to stim with loud noises, and they have that little spark of self awareness to "mask", kanner autists cannot do it for the life of them.
Now, let's talk about ADHD, it presents like this heavily disorganized, cannot focus disorder. Now, have you ever met a truly autistic person? If you fuck up a sperg's routine by a step, they have a meltdown, that's one of the main traits, because they crave security and don't like surprises, they like their day to be planned, safe and without any major events, they also have a very strong sense of interests and self (that's also why they're magnets for bippies: bippies love this shit and use spergs to have a personality and use their lack of abuse awareness to be total pieces of shit), meanwhile ADHDers jump from one interest to another, autists do not. Autists can get a degree in a weird, niche hyperspecific topic. ADHD struggle to live alone due to their extreme disorganization, spergs manage just fine, they even thrive alone so they can manage their routine with total control. ADHD can be managed with meds, that are used to regulate the hormones that make people like that, asperger autism can be manage with talk therapy about self awareness and maybe some anti anxiety pills to cope with changes in life better. ADHD are similar in kanner autists only in the lack of self awareness, but only in a tiny fraction, adhd is even barely a neurodivergence, it's more like having your brain going 200mh/h in five directions all at once and that can be stopped, you can stop autism and with autism it's like having a broken car on the fast lane, either you learn how to make it fast or you're doomed to rely on others to be at the same levels of the others. ADHD and autism are similar by the singular, stimuli craving and childish interests traits, that's it and in facts, they stress autists because adhders are volatile by design, they cannot be the same thing, they are mutually esclusive but you know, it's not cool to say "I have ADHD and that means I'm extremely disorganized and forgetful", they try to make you swallow the pill like "I have ADHD, i'm hyperactive and I'm special, like autists!" meanwhile aspergers can remember where the fuck they were ten years ago on a saturday august night. I still don't get why would someone seek out a ADHD diagnosis, like bippies who take pride in being BPD but they're not totally narcs!! even if they're dangerously closed in the same cluster.
No. 2416069
>>2415851NTAYRT: I agree with what you said, because there is clearly a big difference between those two but, in my experience, they both could be related biologically. I've seen too many cases of family members where one has autism/aspergers and the other adhd. I believe that somehow there could be a connection there.
I'm not a doctor, but I think there is not enough knowledge about the brain to get to a final conclusion yet, in neither direction.
No. 2417327
>>2417308You're not friends with a bippie. They can't have friends. They can only have
victims. Wishing you all the best, anon.
No. 2418335
I love and hate to hear any cluster b demons giving explanations for other people's behaviour that fall to them.
Stop talking to them because you had enough of their bullshit? You only did it to make them suffer.
Don't tell them all of your day in detail? That must be because you're hiding from them, specifically
Do plans without them, as in for yourself alone? You're doing it only for making them mad.
Their ability to always make other people pass off as abusers while living themselves in a egocentric tunnel vision is honestly entertaining to watch but I hate how some people listen to this fucker. When I walked away from my bpdemon that used to abuse me, this dude went around town telling people that I was the one to abandon him and he didn't understand why like he was this poor angel and I got bored of him when in reality I was thinking to almost off myself to escape his mind games. I always was the piece of shit that made him suffer in his mental scenarios and in the end when I decided to not put up with his bullshit, I was still the abandoning abuser. Real abusers don't abandon people, in fact they're terrified of abandonment because abusers live to abuse, without someone to torment their life loses all meaning, they get bored, they only show ""love"" (more like obsession, power and control) in the form of abuse and they crave to feel something, it's stronger than them (notice how all of them are depressed because they hate their own company?), I have no respect for people who don't self reflect and conveniently remove themselves from the narrative when speaking, I can always clock one of these demons from the way that they talk and I'll give you a tip: if they're not an active character in their scenario, meaning that they cannot explain what did they do in the dynamic, then you're talking to a narc. Stay on alert out there.
No. 2418370
Probably obvious but Munchausen syndrome. I really don't give a fuck about their tragic backstories and attention starvation, I hate them with all my heart. I have a disorder that is commonly faked and the amount of medical skepticism and delays in diagnosis because of rampant fakers proved to me it isn't a benign pathology. Also, whenever I try to look up information about this disorder, the internet is chock full of them waving arounf their million self diagnosed vague ailments handing out horrible advice while they pose with wheelchairs. What gets me most is how often they will say "all bodies are different, (insert standard treatment) didn't work for me." The treatment doesn't work because you don't have it, you daft bitch. I just find it such a nefarious form of attention whoring, and they're all such crybullies about it as if they're not the ones actively making it harder for legitimately ill people to be taken seriously and get access to resources they need. Munchies waste medical resources, doctor time, spread misinformation, cast doubt on the legitimacy of disorders, and then have the nerve to moralfag at the disabled for being "ableist gatekeepers" when they point out that this is a thing that happens all the time.
No. 2419322
>>2419257It's actually quite the opposite, I'll try to elaborate better.
Let's talk about my scenario and what factually happened:
>I was at a low point in my life>This guy basically "groomed" me into loving him, by love bombing, asking me what I wanted and needed and played with it by doing push and pull dynamics>I was naive so fell for it when he talked about not being suddenly able to provide anymore attention>I try to make him feel better, maybe even overdoing myself (I'm not really a romantic type) by being a bit too dramatic about it, said things I didn't really mean such as like "I love you and you're the best" only to make him feel good>That didn't work so I pushed myself even to do sexual favours, provided for him and all of this without being that much committed, I just wanted to make him happy. Was I liar? On some sort, yes but in my defence, I did what he asked, what HE wanted from me. I suffocated my needs and comfort zones for him.>He started to threaten suicide and when I told him that no, that was not my thing, he started badmouthing me, calling me names etc>Become even more dependant on him due to the fear that he could actually kill himself, offered him my body but started to fall out of love>After years of psychological torture and after all of my pleas to stop the bad names were ignored, I left. Cold turkey. I packed and left. I was getting ignored anyway when it wasn't about me being ready to be used.I lied to make him feel better, sure, but he didn't listen and didn't want to listen to any of my distress signs while I had to act like his caretaker and notice even the slight change in the tone of voice. I cried in front of him many times begging to stop, he always called me a bitch but when he cried I had no authority to be annoyed at him and always had to comfort him unless he would call me a cold bitch.
Now that we're clear, a typical bippie story is like this:
>I met a girl, she was very loving!>She loved me! She loved me even when I was at my lowest!>But she lied to me, she didn't really support me…she was after something, maybe? My money?>She left. I don't know what I did! I don't know why!>I didn't do anything…she's a heartless bitch, stay away from her!This is a classic pattern in cluster bitches narrative. They always "don't understand" what happened or "you just left/blocked them/abandoned them". They never did anything! They were there, existing and you were bored so you decided to make them suffer!
They remove themselves from the narrative and shift the focus on you/shift their actions so you are the bitch. In my specific case, I left because even him sleeping next to me was making my skin crawl and every notification of him was stressful, in his narrative I just packed and left one day because I'm a big mean one! And he was suffering! How did I dare!
Which is true, they do suffer but their suffering is never the fault of others.
They don't talk about themselves, they talk about others so they can make you feel bad for them. A cluster bitch would never admit to lie/being unstable, in fact they project that shit to others because they have a distorted view of how emotions work, since they cannot feel them in a normal way, they mimic emotions and then play
victim (it's easy) when stuff doesn't go their way. Let's try to use a more stupid example.
>Let's say that you're in the cookie isle of a supermarket, you're browsing all the cookies, with no much thought, you're there, looking at cookies, you will get one, maybe you're looking at new cookies, pondering about trying a different one etc>A guy comes and asks you "what the fuck are you looking at? Pick a pack already!">You go "what…">He replies "stop invading the isle!! I can't get my cookies with you in front of them!">You reply "If you asked nicely, I would've moved", confused about why this guy is trying to pick a useless fight.>"WELL, YOU'RE REALLY RUDE! FUCK YOU! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!">And while you're there, confused and trying to figure out why this guy was acting that pissy over a pack of cookies, you walk away and say "alright, you jerk">The cluster bitch will go "UH? WHY DID YOU CALL ME A JERK! I JUST WANTED A PACK OF COOKIES!"And they will call the guards, telling them that you are a rude bitch that invades isles and calls people names, the innocent people that want to shop, and you
purposely block out the isle so you can do your business. In this case, the guy removed himself completely from the narrative, projected his distorted way of thinking to you and at the same time made himself the
victim. This is literally how their brain works. Tiring and dangerous. The things they say are true, they simply didn't happen like that at all.
No. 2419465
>>2418335Wow, it's like you're talking about my ex. She was just like this. Idk if this is the same as what you're talking about, but I hate whatever mental illness causes people to pull the broken bird act. People who, in their own stories, are always the helpless
victims who are being abused for no reason at all. It's a disarming tactic, because most people will naturally feel protective and empathetic. And it is easy to believe them until suddenly, you are the villain, no matter what. In every single conflict, you will always be the bad guy hurting them. In every story told to others, your actions will be distorted to the point of fiction. And in the end, even your choice to leave will be framed as an act of cruelty. This trait unsettles me deeply because it's such a nefarious and sneaky mask to wear. Literal wolves in sheep's clothes.
No. 2419674
>>2419465the worst part about this is trying to do damage control. Cluster B people always choose shy/reserved people, always. Their
victim is carefully chosen, they're predators. The first time he badmouthed me (yes I'm kinda monitoring the thread because I care about exposing their traits - stay safe nonnies), I thought "oh well, its between us!" because not even in my dreams I would go out after a fight and smear people, I found my reputation ruined because he made longposts about me and blocked me from viewing them so I could be manipulated into thinking that his social media was clean. The fight was over but he wanted to win so bad, he fished for attention online and since then, everytime we fought I had to warn at least my close friends to not believe his lies but of course you also feel like a schizo when you do it, this is torture on your mind and puts you in a ransom position. They are predators, never the
victim and I say this seriously, drop straight away your cluster b friend/partner.
I lost friends due to him, yeah sure I lost shitty people that believed his lies but the point is: why you shouldnt believe him?
To other people, this was the scenario
>I was the mean bitch>I made him suffer!!>To prove this, he showed my texts where I said that I'm tired of him (for his victim act) and made me look heartless>Yeah why should we doubt this?In this day and age, people believe the first thing they see, and he knew this shit so well, I also learned how to feel a fight coming so I could also choose carefully the words, I acted like everything I said or texted was being heard by a theathre full of people, so I even started sending long texts instead of short ones so he couldnt snip and snap them to fit his narrative.
Its all psychological torture and as I said, it was so bad at one point that I wanted to kill myself because I felt psychotic and helpless with no way out, like I was the only one seeing this shit but he's still trying to tell people that "one day he came home and I was gone, he sleeps alone in our bed since then, how could I do this to him, a suffering angel that wanted to be loved?"
They're dangerous and I think that
victims need ten times more therapy than them, they wouldnt change anyway, theres no point in helping narcissist and dramatic people because they know that if they fix their
victim traits, then their existence would have no meaning, thats all they know and do.
No. 2424325
>>2423954Its because people dont want to get old and have responsibilities and have an excuse to be forgetful. You always see "gifted children" online claiming to be adhd because they're burnt out by social media, but if they were "gifted" then they wouldnt be adhd. Adhd children need sped teachers since they cannot focus and learn the basics of math and grammar, the average "audhd" ao3 fujo writer most likely is just an outcast, not even autistic. Plus as it has been said before, autism and adhd contrast each other in the very diagnostic criteria, its like when people lump bpd and ptsd, its clearly not the same thing but hell, people do anything to avoid the stigma of being terrible people, even if this mean shitting on a whole different category and giving the stigma to them. I'm an autist and this has caused major trouble at my workplace since my masking isnt convincing enough and I cannot get along with colleagues (they are normies anyway kek but I guess that people believe that you need work to have friends) and I dont go to major events for the fear of throwing up at the sight of the food I hate, which is something I cannot control and yet you only see people around that claim to have ~special interest~ and walk around with the sunflower lanyard. People that proudly claim it are people that do not suffer the consequences of the actual disorder and just want the go out of jail card when sperging about the latest anime because they're little narcissist fucks. The problem in internet made disease is always rooted in "me me me and if you dont want to hear about me you're a bigot!" so yeah, they lump anything they can together to get away with it and wiping their face clean.
No. 2424398
>>2424325Was diagnosed on public healthcare with ADHD last year after a lifetime of struggle, so here's my thoughts on what you said
> if they were "gifted" then they wouldnt be adhdEveryone I've met who also has a legit medical ADHD diagnosis irl have been incredibly intelligent people who have barely been able to tread water during school because of our inability to do repetitive work, like homework. We make do with what little we have studied to impress teachers during class and end up cramming everything a weeks or days before exams. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But implying that we don't know basic maths or grammar is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
> People that proudly claim it are people that do not suffer the consequences of the actual disorder and just want the go out of jail cardI fully agree with this. I'm really embarrassed to admit I have adhd irl, which leads to situations where I very obviously have a legitimate reason for why I haven't done something because of ADHD and instead end up making up a lie that suits a neurotypical narrative. Anyone who is too eager to pull out 'the card' is an instant red flag in my book.
No. 2425778
As someone who used to have anxiety but got over it almost completely, I can't stand current anxiety havers at all. This thread immediately made me think of but a classmate at uni (early 20s). I don't know this girl's exact diagnosis, but she's exhibiting pretty strong anxiety symptoms, latent suicidality, and I think has mentioned previous childhood trauma. Anyway I kinda feel bad because despite all I actually like her, I just cannot fucking deal with her when she's in her extreme negative moods. It's a constant barrage of "I can't do this" "I hate this" "I'm so terrible at this", again and again and again. No matter what you say it won't reach her, and while ignoring her in these states is the only thing keeping me from irl a-logging, it's not enough.
The constant begging for affirmation, the refusal to take good advice or see the world from anyone else's point of view, the "I know better" mentality and talking others into a corner just to prove a point about your own worthlessness, it's just the fucking worst.
And they're all like that. Like why are you telling me you have anxiety when we just met, if not just to set up an excuse for later incompetence and inevitably letting me down? Get over it or gtfo.
No. 2429653
This is a bit broader as a topic but like many of you, I'm also a victim of male bpd (textbook, linear but most importantly, random) and I was wondering: if I was interviewed and diagnosed while under his influence I would totally, one hundred percent, fit the criteria for BPD and this is something that I don't forgive in bogus doctors.
>Feeling empty
Yeah this fucker drained my energy and made me feel wrong for everything I did, to the point I totally nullified myself. No shit.
>Emotional instability
Yeah because he toyed with my emotions. he could give me a rose then insult me the second after, no one should feel this
>Fear of abandonment
Yeah? because he threatened to kill himself every night and when he didn't text me, I automatically assumed the worst?
>Paranoia
See above plus the smear campaigns, I also shut down with friends because he made me look insane when I tried to clean my reputation
>Suicidal behaviour
For a while, i thought of it as my only escape from him
Now that I'm away, everything that I listed went away. Everything.
I stopped being jumpy, I stopped being depressed, I regained my identity back by focusing more on the things I love and I have now lovely people around me that don't play futile mind games.
I think that personality disorders should be diagnosed with at least one other person in the room because if I had the tools to tell people what I was going through and it was his fault, I would've probably got actual help. Actual BPD is insane behaviour that hurts greatly and I'm mad that it's not considered dangerous because "it only affects the person who suffers from it!" which is technically true, I don't have it, but what about the victims? I'm currently on my third year of therapy, who's gonna give me back all of this time that I spent crying and paying for psych sessions? I feel that for diagnosing a personality disorder, a person should be at least put in a facility for a week to see their actual behaviour in a neutral environment, with no outside contacts, because even a day far from this demon was heaven for me and I smiled more meanwhile he tried to pick a fight even on the hair colour I choose or the fact that I replied with less emojis, while I couldn't care less about useless fights and I didn't need them as a trial of love and most importantly, I loved silence. I would've gave everything to have a cozy night instead of fights and a nice day instead of suicide threats, a nice evening with some tea instead of calling people telling them that I had another fight, crying on the phone. BPD is not PTSD at all and I'm tired of people lumping them together, a traumatized person won't act like a bpdemon in a thousand years because the trauma broke them so much that they don't have even the energy to fight. Fuck BPD, fuck male BPD, fuck psychologist who diagnose women with BPD without asking for trauma or autism first (it should be the last diagnosis in women and the first for men), fuck people who compare the two and fuck everyone who romanticize it. Give me back my lost years to tears.
No. 2429690
>>2429666Doctors don't give men any kind of cluster B disorders because it's rooted in misoginy.
A man? Dramatic? Narcissist? Paranoid? he's a MAN! Those are WOMEN issues!
And they don't give women autism diagnoses for the same reason
A woman can't be weird! A woman is moody and vain with no thoughts! Your autistic daughters breakdowns are just bratty dramatic behaviour!
The doctors failed women and that's why many men are abusers. make them feel shame, shame them, reduce them to tropes like the "hysteric woman" is in fiction, don't give the killer in movies a dark past, give them bpd, don't give the weird guy in fiction autism, give them a sociopath disorder.
I'm so tired of the coddling and the belief that men have to be coddled by women both physically and mentally. Oftem women that escape
toxic relationships are called "selfish" because they abandoned their needy and whiny husbands. This is one of the things that radicalized me as a teen, my family was destroyed by an unnecessarily angry man that did that out of boredom. mandatory castration.
No. 2429697
>>2429690A topic that interests me is the concept of HPD. Dramatic, attention-seeking, anxious attachment, and dressing/acting often within exaggerated gender roles for attention, etc. So many men literally fit these, except the last point. The way the person with HPD dresses/acts is based on whatever they personally believe will make them look cool. If a woman dresses colourful and is extroverted and talkative, boom, HPD. But a HPD man obviously wouldn't do that, he would try and be a macho roidpig alpha sigma beast or whatever he thinks makes him look cool. The latter, though, is seen as normal in society. It's all misogyny, yeah.
On the same vein, I've also become more sympathetic to teens self diagnosing themselves with cluster B disorders (if it's not purely for "I'm edgy and scary" attention). Any lonely girl who doesn't know how to socialise could easily think there's something fundamentally wrong with her, think she's a narcissist, etc. I see it all the time and while they can be insufferable and spread misinfo all the time, the root is all the same
No. 2429902
>>2429697Men are the true narcissists.
Obsessed with looks? Men. For them and they are vain and superficial searching for a partner. They love to cry about women not wanting incels but they would never give a ugly girl a chance because what if it makes THEM look bad to other men?
Emotional? Look up serial killers and stalkers.
Paranoid? They mistake the interest of a woman with obsession.
Anxious attachment because they know they're shit? Look up jealousy ratio.
Not only I hate narcs, male are narcs by nature, always comparing to others, always commenting on the physical features, always trying to look good to other men, always wanting to be superior. but yeah women are "moody".
There should be a special program of
victim of male psychology, there's often focus on physical violence but the psychological violence is not talked enough.
No. 2442478
>>2436043This. I've had to deal with this moid who calls every woman he has a disagreement with a BPD chick, and eventually came my turn.
>be online friends >realize how misogynistic and crazy he is after some time>block him without saying anything>proceeds to harrass me on other platforms>had to make new accounts because he made sockpuppet accountsI can't even fucking imagine what breaking up with the guy must be like. I feel like BPD women will feel hurt over abandonment whereas males will throw a tard rage fit out of entitlement.
No. 2443115
>>2442517Their "truths" are 200% a projection of shit they've done or plan to do to their
victims every time. Have a BPDemon of a brother who used to chimp out over FB and claim our disabled mother (whom he was living with despite her best efforts to APPLY TO ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES ON HIS BEHALF and he still refused to get tf out) was shooting up fent and stealing his SS benefits every month. Abhorrent. Don't think I need to say more.
No. 2447267
I don't mind people with ADHD in theory, but in practice, why are they all so insufferably proud of their dysfunction? You'll see someone who has been on stimulants for years and whines about how ADHD ruined their life STILL behaving in the exact same ways over and over and over. And they don't just expect your sympathy, they expect you to find it charming, even if their ADHD has fucked up your life. My mom has ADHD and growing up it meant I was the adult. I was the one checking behind her, reminding her of appointments, arranging my schedule to avoid depending on her, cleaning out the fridge because it was a biohazard otherwise. I started checking the burners after she set the house on fire because she walked away from the stove and got distracted. I missed out on many opportunities because she forgot every deadline. She was just so unreliable and this gave me all sorts of baggage, but to this day, she does nothing to change and expects me to find it charming when she makes the deliberate choice to do 10 things at once because it's "too boring" otherwise. I have had many friends, coworkers, and even my current boss, who are diagnosed with ADHD and they all have a very similar need to cutesify their disorder. It's like they're so attached to having ADHD that it's a huge part of their identity, so they are afraid to change and become "normal." So instead, they selfishly fuck over everyone who depends on them in any way, utterly refuse to acknowledge it, become defensive and play the victim, and then go right back to fucking everyone over while giggling about how quirky they are and how you just wouldn't get it. Last week, I had a coworker tell me she couldn't complete a deliverable I was waiting on because "that's not where the dopamine is today." Bitch fuck you! I can't take it.
No. 2447287
>>2447267That shit you went through especially with your mother is so traumatic, I’m sorry nonna. I agree with you, and I literally have ADHD. Other people with ADHD seem to constantly either act like they’re so quirky uwu and/or they straight up refuse to stick to any treatments. Both my parents have ADHD, but they’ve categorically refused to try any medication or improve themselves in any way. My mom never set the house on fire, but she constantly left burners on and melted so much plastic when I was a kid. Literally at least once a month growing up I’d wake up to the smell of roasted plastic and my mom opening all the doors and windows apologizing - my parents both had the audacity to be worried that I would set a house on fire when I lived away from them due to my mom’s behavior. I’ve never melted anything and the only time I burned something was when I was learning how the broiler option in the oven worked (RIP to the stuffed zucchini boats), my mom constantly cooking plastic was traumatizing, fuck that smell. I think I’d literally never be okay if she had started a big fire at any point.
The amount of people with ADHD who either won’t try meds at all or will be like “I don’t need the meds even though they made me a bit better I need to be better without meds!!” Then proceed to never be better. Infuriating. I know multiple adhd moids with health insurance who all have tried meds before, did well on them, then decided they actually don’t need any meds and proceed to get off them and just end up being pieces of shit for years. They say “maybe I’ll go get on meds again” and never fucking do, they just get worse. Literal years of getting worse and not getting back on meds. What the FUCK.
No. 2447315
>>2447294Eh, it's an intellectual disability to an extent. FASD is technically a group of disorders affecting many systems.
I say let anon hate.
No. 2463370
>>2463362>replying to a 6 year old post not even on this thread???
We need to ban zoomers from using this site
No. 2466914
>>2466879>complaining about normies judging them for their cringe hobbiesI genuinely don't understand this one. Like if they're so bothered about what normies think then they could just find more socially acceptable hobbies? Better yet stop giving a fuck. tbh I think that handwringing too much about such things is a sign that someone isn't autistic tho I might be biased because the sperg I know irl wears medieval shit every day.
The hostility and us-versus-them in that thread is also annoying. I really do think some autists reinforce their own alienation.
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BPD moms who are FPd/codependent on abusive fathers. Most BPDmom abuse stories are of the BPDmom directly abusing the child but doing it by proxy is also equally as evil. It's the ultimate pickmeism and you can also guarantee they'll compete with the child for the dad's attention. Picrel is just a story but it's unironically how 99% of this type of BPDmom acts. If the dad leaves, then she'll turn her attention on the child though, and both are equally as horrific.
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The thing that I hate the most about bippies is not their destructive behaviour but their victim arc.
They just want to be loved! They're misunderstood! They want a serious relationship!
Says the cheater, the core narcissist, the conditional lover. I hate, absolutely despise, their victim complex. It's the worst tract. Bippies aren't misunderstood, they are just that tiring.
No. 2474691
>>2474623I appreciate whichever
nonny bumped the thread and tried anyways. I hope and pray we can talk about our disorder without autists interjecting themselves into every single post one day. Amen.
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>>2476874There's a guy on vanderpump rules who gave the best (figurative) instructions for leaving a bpd I've ever heard: think of her like a giant spider and you're caught in her web. She has other
victims on the go (bpd) so you play dead to bore her and while she is busying herself with another energy source, you slowly move an arm out of the web. Then play dead again when she comes back (gray rock). Then when she gets bored again and moves to another fly/orbiter, you remove a leg (and so on) until you're free. Then you run and don't look back anon
No. 2477418
>>2476921If you read r/bpdlovedones, like half the stories start out with the
victim believing the bpd was like that and then finding out s/he was cheating with countless other people
No. 2477497
>>2477448As a lurker of that sub for many years, nah. Those are a handful of the posts every so often and don't comprise the majority of posts. A couple of posts like that have been cherrypicked and posted to lolcow for the outrage, and I do agree that those moids are retarded and disgusting while deserving all the abuse if they choose to stay in a
toxic relationship for the sex, but there's a reason that so many people's experiences align consistently. BPDemons are consistently awful to anyone unfortunate enough to get close to them.
No. 2477501
>>2477409Oh my god the BPD I know swears she has autism. She is undiagnosed of course and now she is convinced her child also has autism and pushes a bunch of stim toys on the child. it’s so obviously BPD, she’s always the
victim and always seeking attention with sob stories but she hides the important details to avoid being called out until it’s too late
No. 2477549
>>2477497The
>moid googles exaggerated qualities about the woman/much younger girl who finally left him posts are so fucking obvious and people call them out. Actual lesbians post a lot in that sub too I've noticed
>>2477535>People have this idea that Cluster Bs are evil geniuses who are able to hide who they are until the last moment>evil geniusesPeople think they are very manipulative and spend most of their time on that. It actually makes them very stupid that they always do the same thing, get caught and then try it again with someone else. That's why the stories are so relatable and they have so many
victims No. 2477570
>>2477564This is the part of anon's post I was replying to in my post:
>These men know what they’re getting into. They see a girl with fifteen different facial piercings and cutting scars all over her body and choose her because they know she’s crazy, not in spite of it. They know she got molested and that’s why she’s “freaky” and will do anything they want in bed, and they’re into that.And if you haven't ever witnessed any such moids, I'm happy for you. They're all over nerd and alt fashion spaces.
No. 2477579
>>2477570I guess. I still think female bpds are worse than whatever moids are doing this to these poor pierced
victims since there are so many of them and they're harder to get rid of than bed bugs. Any of the women I know who look like that are confrontational and not afraid to stand up to moids
No. 2478061
>>2477564That's because these men don't go around telling people they are looking for crazy, otherwise they can't play the
victim when the relationship eventually blows up. I've had piercings, shaved head, etc. and I had to get off dating sites because men will make it known in the first 5 messages that they are only pursuing me because of the red flags that they see. It's exhausting, I definitely have something wrong with me but these men will assume you're a particular flavour of crazy and base all their interactions with you on that. It's constant negging, love bombing, hypersexual conversation and offering drugs because that's worked for the bippies with low self esteem they've encountered before.
No. 2478494
I have no idea which mental disorder causes people to never had a good day or chill out. I know that shitty situations exists, from abuse to other external factor but I cannot wrap my mind on people that never have a good day and yes, depression exists too but I'm talking about people that seem to be the unluckiest people alive or that make problems so much bigger than they are. Anxiety? Narcs? Bippies?
I knew a moid that everyday found a way to whine about useless shit, for sympathy or to avoid simple tasks.
We used to be friends in a group so when it came to split some actions, he was never able to do it and I had to babysit him. For example, one time we wanted, as a group, go out for a little vacation, I was in charge for the rent of the airbnb and he had to get tickets, suddenly that day he had a "bad day" and couldn't do it. He didn't ask for help, he simply went "I didn't do it, had a bad day" when we had to get our tickets out. One time I accompanied him back home after a nice party and something happened in the 10 minute walk home that he had to do and we didn't see him for a week. He couldn't do groceries for days, not even online orders, because he received "bad news" (one of his distant relatives having a benign tumor…because what if its bad?? and he didn't talk to this relative in YEARS…), he wasn't accepted for a beta test for a videogame so he ghosted everyone because "that was really important". I have no clue if this is an illness of its own, some flavour of narcissism or weaponized incompetence but whiny-sad people need to be euthanized as much as whiny-dramatic people. That's not depression at all.
No. 2478516
>>2477564The first sentence is contradicted by the second? KEK
>I've never seen a moid intentionally targeting a woman because she has BPD>I've seen countless moids targeting a woman because she has BPD>>2478494People that find no joy in anything and constantly put everything and everyone down are such a drain. People with "anxiety" are the worst when it comes to this. There's something so incredibly selfish about anxiety. I think a lot of people online whinge about NPD without actually knowing what NPD is or what it looks like, because they say every mental disorder is NPD. The truth is almost every mental disorder makes people selfish, and egoistic, and focused on themselves only.
No. 2478659
>>2478494I don't have a full picture ofc but to me, he seems like someone with avoidant personality disorder maybe. Constantly self-isolates. He could've been anxious about that vacation, for example, so he tried to kind of sabotage it? The bit about groceries is weird but he might avoid any interactions when he doesn't feel like it. The videogame bit is also ridiculous, could he somehow perceive it as a rejection and take it personally? Initially I thought he could've used those as excuses because he didn't want or wasn't able to explain his need to suddenly withdraw but they're a little odd. It kind of reminded me of my ex and that dude would actually get upset over the stupidest things. And it took some time for him to get over them. And yeah, also whined a lot. Pretty sure it is depression though, I mean when people have this warped, extremely negative perception of everything, pessimism. And it sucks, but you can actually fight it with medication, changes in lifestyle, reading self-help books, being conscious of what you think and say to other people, too, because this whining and criticism of everything is more like a bad habit imo. The most annoying thing about it, and any mental disorder/problems basically, is that some people take zero responsibility for it. And don't even see how unpleasant and draining they've become. Men like this just expect closest women in their lives to constantly emotionally support them and keep their problems and negativity to themselves. And they never learn to cope in a healthier way.
No. 2479684
I really struggle with hypochondriacs specifically the ones who fixate on mental health conditions, who exist in huge numbers on the internet, of course. I can completely understand feeling like something’s wrong with you and wanting to put a name to it. The issue is that so often they put little to no focus on actually improving their lives by taking real action and instead use all their energy to just pontificate on their symptoms or find new shit to diagnose themselves with. Go outside, get some fresh air, drink some water, have a laugh with a friend, and regroup before cracking open the DSM5 for the 900th time to convince yourself you definitely have yet another disorder, jesus.
>>2479204Ntayrt, but I think the point they’re making is that the ones who meme their condition tend to be the ones faking it or exaggerating minor attention and focus issues they experience. When someone has ADHD it's something they're more likely to minimize whenever possible due to all of the problems it creates. Honestly, people who make any diagnosis their entire personality and do nothing but act obnoxious and joke about it rarely actually have it.
No. 2479789
>>2479346Moids with depression are pure hell to live with. Agreeing with him might snap him out of it for a while but honestly anyone who wants to be a
victim will find a way to be a
victim, moids especially are too stupid to understand that the world does not revolve around them so they are completely convinced that bad weather is a personal attack and a two minute wait at Burger King is a sign of hostility from the workers.
No. 2479799
>>2479789Ayrt he's not depressed (or maybe he is as a byproduct of his bullshit), he's more paranoid PD and some weird schizo retardation kek, but yeah. Every time he goes shopping and the cashier gets his calculations a little wrong he chimps out, demands to see the manager and is convinced he's being discriminated against due to his race and that everyone thinks he's stupid. Well yeah, they do actually, but not for his race, for his retardation. Like, why have the rest of my family gone out (and way more times than him) and never faced that? I'm convinced people like him are just so stuck in their negativity that they attract that into their life, and then it's a self-fulfilling cycle, even with the smallest slights. He's convinced all his lawyers, who never want to help him and I wonder why, are all conspiring and bribing each other behind the scenes to fuck his life up, like kek.
And depressed moids in general are hell to deal with. They also constantly whine about how society never accepts their mental illness and muh suicide rates, like what? Male mental health has always been prioritised, women get seen as hysterical bpd whores and told to "get help" but never are given help. Depressed moids are also convinced their depression makes them deep and soulful lovers like no, Tyler, you're just an incel and a leech.
No. 2480062
Between a narcissist and a BPD, even though I have dealt with and detest both, I would much rather live with a BPD. Because between the love bombing and crashings out there would at least be some semblance of LOVE expressed from that individual sometimes as opposed to the outright resentment and in the best of times fake performative "love" a narcissist gives. It's like a BPD wants geniune love but finds it hard to express and maintain because of the fear of abandonment, but a narcissist is only ever interested in loving themselves and preserving their own interests.
Every day I want to ask my narcissist mother why she decided to become a parent if every small inconvenience of my existence burdens her so? She loves being alone and truly only needs others around for an attention source or needs supply. I hate living with this horrific bitch–and I'm fine with calling her a bitch because she screams that I am one when I don't give in to her way–when she's the insufferable cunt with no genuine friends, failed relationships, and inheritance-chasing family who mask nice to her face but talk shit behind her back who would NEVER tolerate living with her because of how atrocious she is.
I hate it because I suffer alone. Everyone knows she's psychotic, entitled, mean, and incorrigible–but everyone else can run or avoid her whereas I cannot. And ever since her cancer diagnosis (self-inflicted, smoking-specific, chainsmoker for 50+ years) it's only ramped up her insane antics and her demands that I serve her even more because now she's a poor widdle victim of her own choices with a treatable cancer that she will regrettably survive. I hate that her hate has caused my thoughts to become so evil and hateful towards her because that's not who I am and my loved ones have told me so. But oh do I wish for the pain and harm she puts me through to finally stop one day. Oftentimes I wonder how much further in life I'd be, in no small thanks to my own success now, if I had supportive and loving family instead of her? It drives me berserk that for all the faults of my grandparents, they gave so much support to her as great parents should and yet this nasty bitch can't even let me live in a mutual household in peace while I buy her groceries and pay for every one of her whims. And what do I get for all that and all my hard work? Beratement and how it all isn't good enough or if it is it doesn't count because I only do shit for her so she won't be a demon towards me which she calls out constantly (Well bitch, maybe if you were nice to me the motivation may change but it still "counts" because I do stuff for you whereas you do fuck all for me!) Me, me, me, me, me. I despise her.
No. 2480791
>>2479799In my personal experience the best way to deal with these types is to lean into their paranoia in a way that makes them get treatment for it. I've gotten schizos in my family to stop obsessing over Q-anon-tier shit by making a ton of fake blogs with retarded ramblings on how the gubmint is trying to poison us all and the only cure is to go to the doctor, list off all the symptoms that my family members conveniently had, and get meds. It's the only way to save us all from the lizard people before The Rapture.
You could maybe try something like that with your dad? Tailor it to fit his particular delusions and media consumption tastes, tell him what he wants to hear, use AI if you need to make a Youtube channel or podcast, get him to look at it somehow, and keep churning them out until he gets help. It might not fix him completely because tbh he sounds very retarded but it's going to make life more bearable.
>>2480778I think it's female socialization. We feel bad for the lunatic with their life in shambles, surely a helping hand or a listening ear would make all the difference in the world to them! It doesn't.
Agree hard that anyone with BPD friends should get therapy for everything that made them fall for the BPDemon shit in the first place. I've had BPD friends in my late teens/early 20s and can confirm that I was an absolute sped, I was convinced that with time and friendship my BPD friends would stop being insane. When I learnt about BPD and read up on the symptoms, everything clicked and I distanced myself from them before I got dragged down even more.
Female socialization is a hell of a drug. I'm glad in a sense that Gen Z and Gen A are growing up surrounded by therapy speak and are much more likely to cut people off, because while that's a problem in and of itself, it's better than burdening themselves with being the saint and savior of all the sad little boys and girls in the world. If I'd cut my BPD friends off the second they showed their true colors I'd have saved myself so much unnecessary stress.
No. 2480796
>>2480791Anon with insane dad and yeah no unfortunately. He's too old and retarded for that, too far gone. Your ideas are good and work in theory but in practice would take me way more effort to make all those things then put on a smile and nod with his utter retardation than to just ignore him kek. Plus he's ESL and I'm not exactly fluent in his mother tongue so nothing will absorb probably. He's completely distrustful of doctors and other health professionals too so it's a lost cause
>I think it's female socialization. We feel bad for the lunatic with their life in shambles, surely a helping hand or a listening ear would make all the difference in the world to them! It doesn't. Yeah, unlike people with a bit of trauma here and there, PDs are engrained from a very young age (at least the Cluster B ones, I'm not sure about the others). Trying to show them kindness and love is like trying to teach an illiterate adult how to read and write by dumping a giant encyclopedia written by PhD professors in front of them.
No. 2480894
>>2328930All the terminally online retards in this site getting angry at this post kek go outside you fucking ugly losers or at least stop complaining you are friendless. I hate your asses as well no one should put up with someone as self absorbed.
I had social anxiety too when I was fucking 14, as in real shit cause I was a very bullied lonely kid, and guess what? I just learned to talk to the cashier, I put myself out there and I learnt to socialize. If a teenager can do it so can your adult asses, you are all just lazy and want to be coddled for the rest of your lives cause you don't wanna get out of your comfort zone.
No. 2480918
>>2480819I was only speaking to my experience, it doesn't have to be taken as fact by anyone else if it's not your experience.
I lived with a BPDemon ex boyfriend who would do insane shit to me like cut himself with knives in front of me just because I told him I wasn't interested in his anime. Yelled at me for several hours because he thought I wasn't fully paying attention to whatever inane shit he was yapping about. And even once started a self-harm escapade because he had a dream I cheated on him and he thought I didn't apologize enough for it.
Even so, he managed to make me feel more loved than a narc in the better of times.
No. 2481341
>>2480918>>2481001Also, it's only narcs that will be stalking you for over a decade after you cut contact with them to preserve your mental and physical health. You have to essentially play dead to get away from them which means no social media presence and tightened OPsec because once they get a whiff of blood or hear you so much as breathe, they're back after you again like a rabid shitbull. They both do major smear campaigns on their
victims but i've found that narcs tend to go a lot farther.
No. 2482005
How are you supposed to defend yourself against a narc when they're telling everyone that you're the narc instead? Like, straight up projection, and since they have their flying monkeys to back them up as this poor widdle helpless
victim.
When I was a younger teenager I was a
victim of an older narc and my retard ass blamed myself for the fallout/me distancing myself, felt guilty and couldn't get her off my mind etc. and made the stupid mistake of trying to get in contact some time later because I felt like I needed to "rectify" my mistakes. Obvious bad idea, and she projected that I was doing the same shit in
>>2481341 and that I was stalking her and smear campaigning her and how actually she was the one who cut contact.
No. 2482015
>>2482005>How are you supposed to defend yourself against a narc when they're telling everyone that you're the narc instead?Cut your losses and run. You literally cannot win. These people are living in another reality and they have a magnetic charm that spreads its net far and wide. It sucks but the only way to protect yourself is to give up on them and all of the relationships associated with them because they WILL take their side and they WILL become the narc's flying monkey. Defending yourself also gives them narc supply (attention) through your distress. All that you can hope for is that with time, once you are gone and they move on to another
victim in your circle of friends/family that people will realize who the narc truly is and understand what happened to you. But don't count on it. You can always make new relationships and if this is your family, you are better off alone.
No. 2482019
>>2482015>Defending yourself also gives them narc supply (attention) through your distressYeah, I could see this for sure, I could even relate through the lens of me when I was a child and being a petty bitch or something kek. And this is what makes me wonder how TF narcs work internally sometimes when they explain their reasoning. Because I can understand their reasoning, I can relate… if I was 9 years old, that is. I understand whatever fucked them up in childhood emotionally stunted that part of their brain but it's scary how it never grew up.
And it's okay, they were friends at most and it's been a decade since then
No. 2482021
>>2482019Narcs are literally little children deep inside, stuck forever at the very young age the trauma that caused them to become like this happened. The scary part is how much evil and pain they can cause, but once you see them (and treat them) like a little kid, it gets a bit better. Think about it, when little kids are reprimanded for their behaviour they cry and scream and go
>NO YOU!This is the projection. Everything that a narc says about others is projection, as they have no concept of reality or other people around them. That means that when they call you ugly, it's because they feel ugly themselves; when they call you incompetent, it's because they are feeling incompetent themselves; when they hurt your feelings it's a way to externalise their own pain and seeing you suffer gives them a sadistic high which momentarily makes it go away. Momentarily. They will always come back for more and they will never let you go. You have to escape.
No. 2482503
>>2482005It's hard because the best thing to do is the opposite of what they want. Give them pity when they want admiration or fear, never defend yourself the normal way, and learn to start your own smear campaign by reaching out to their loved ones and expressing worry over their behavior. Say that their spending is out of control, you hear them talking to themselves sometimes, they think they're being stalked by celebrities on TV, their eating and sleeping schedules are all over the place, and you're so worried for them but nothing you've tried seems to help. If you can get a few recordings of their narcissism it will really help you out, eg any gaslighting over things like them calling you a thief for not paying you back for XYZ when you have evidence that you were the one who paid for it in the first place, them saying you did something at a certain time/date when you have evidence that you weren't even there, a sneaky video of them ranting and raving at 3am about how you're stalking them when you literally live together, anything like that.
People will listen to the narc first. Always be prepared to stand your ground against friends and family (they will also be burnt badly by the narc, even the golden people suffer, so don't feel like you need to make them see that you're the true
victim here because trust me when I say they'll find out) who truly believe that you're an evil mastermind Bond villain who loathes the poor little narc because you're jealous. Don't get defensive, get confused- unless you have the evidence of the narc being batshit, in which case you act really upset. Break out the waterworks and sob about how you didn't know it was getting this bad, you thought they'd changed after XYZ, they promised they'd get help.
The only two ways to come out on top with a narcissist are to make everyone else think they're a raving lunatic who can't tell what's real and what's a delusion, or to leave. Grey rocking works to an extent but if you live with, or have frequent contact with them, they're going to get angry and bored and do something vile to you to get a reaction unless they have another sacrifice lined up.
If you're forced to frequently interact with a narcissist that you have to grey rock, your best bet is to invent a hobby or goal that you don't give two shits about so they can hold it over your head and ridicule you for it. Pretend that you want to be a celebrity chef and cry about burning water and they'll be happy as a clam. If you're getting bored of the same three taunts being repeated by an overgrown toddler, get a new fake hobby that you're no good at.
Making you feel guilty for no reason is something narcs excel at. Learn to stop caring. The Tumblr brand of mental health allyship is terrible- narcs are people too, but that doesn't mean you're beholden to them somehow. They give you a lift home once and expect you to give up your job on their command because of it. It's not on you to tell them why that's a silly thing to expect, it's on them to get help for their issues and learn that they're not the main character. Don't hesitate to cut people off if they hurt you or have the capacity to hurt you.
No. 2484898
>>2482503>Don't get defensive, get confusedThis is it. If you really must interact with a narc you must act confused in front of others. You have to frame their behaviour as something completely illogical and unreasonable and at no point should you ever engage with any of their taunts or "arguments".
>I have no idea what I did to make her react like that!And if the narc's flying monkeys try to "explain" your supposed behaviour that the narc made up to frame themselves as the
victim in this situation you gaslight. You double down on not understanding what you supposedly did wrong. This drives them up the wall. In this way you are rejecting all the responsibility that they are trying to push on you and they will go mad, because they can't live without projecting their faults onto others. The name of the game is gaslight gaslight and lie and be as ambiguous as possible.
No. 2485131
>>2484981How do their brains work like this. Sometimes when trying to understand Cluster Bs I relate to them through the lens of when I was like 8 years old because they're stuck at being children emotion-wise. But even 8 year old me wouldn't be obsessed with someone for 5 years. Maybe 1 or 2 years is the limit kek
>>2484898Unfortunately sometimes getting confused will make it worse as well, they'll find a way to "prove" you're still being malicious. Same with being radio silent. Sometimes they wholeheartedly, truly believe you're in the wrong and you can't really fight against that
No. 2486288
>>2485346This is one of the mental illness symptoms that bugs me the most. I have a longtime (childhood, multi-decade) friend who thankfully I only interact with online since she lives far away, who is dx'd with ADHD and social anxiety (she got a BPD diagnosis but then a few other therapists contradicted that so idk about the BPD part) and she has all the most aggravating ADHD traits - has been medicated for years but it only made her worse. Constantly promises things and acts completely outraged whenever anyone calls her out on the promise obviously being a lie because she never does anything she says she'll do, not even the simplest thing. Insists she's so much smarter than everyone else and too good for irl friends but can't complete simple tasks because they're 'impossible' with her ADHD brain but the next week she's totally going to become a doctor, lawyer, famous actress and farmer simultaneously and you're evil if you don't 'believe in her'. Went through hundreds of thousands of dollars of money from her parents totally remorselessly and then becomes homeless and still calls wasting all her parents' money 'based' and continues to beg them for 5k a month to stay in a hotel because she 'can't deal with' roommates. Somehow will choose my birthday, my bf's birthday, my mom's birthday, valentines day to have all her worst meltdowns and try to leech as much attention as possible from me. She is one of the reasons I barely believe ADHD is real at this point because everyone always tells you 'they get normal when they're medicated' but that never helped her or any of the other ADHD people I know, they just act as flaky and scatterbrained as before but sleep even less and act increasingly manic.
I can deal with most of the other shit she does because she's my oldest friend and I can disengage when I have to but probably the single most infuriating thing about her is that due to having no boundaries herself and always getting in shitty/
abusive relationships where she doesn't assert herself at all, she becomes furious at the idea of other people asserting boundaries too. She's literally tried to argue at length that the very idea of personal boundaries is
abusive and that if you 'loved' someone you wouldn't set boundaries with them whenever I try to point out it's probably a good thing her exes blocked her because she won't stop contacting them and stalking them even after they sexually or emotionally abused her. I'm not saying the boundaries thing is specifically an ADHD trait but whatever it's a trait of it's the most maddening personality trait imaginable, my mom is like this too and it's nearly impossible to get a person like this to realize how aggravating they are because they see their own lack of boundaries as extreme kindness and empathy so anyone else asserting boundaries with them must be an evil psychopath or just 'fooled by 21st century therapyspeak into thinking loving relationships are bad.' The worst part is that they will actually set their own boundaries sometimes, arbitrarily, with the people they aren't most obsessed with so you can tell they understand the concept, just not when it's the object of their obsession but they project this on everyone else and expect even their vague acquaintances to never say no to them. I have some sympathy for these people because obviously it harms them more than anyone else but it becomes hard to sympathize when they use their own retarded self-sabotaging behavior to guilt trip everyone around them into acting as pathetic as them.
No. 2486721
>>2486288>She's literally tried to argue at length that the very idea of personal boundaries is abusive and that if you 'loved' someone you wouldn't set boundaries with them Codependentfags are so crazy to me.
>I'm not saying the boundaries thing is specifically an ADHD trait It doesn't sound like ADHD, ADHD is something you're born with and about processing, right? This is more on the trauma-genic side, so it sounds like BPD. Or BPD traits/borderline structure from what you've said, since not everyone fits the diagnosis for a reason but some traits are still there too
No. 2486933
>>2486721ADHD is supposedly something you're born with but everyone I currently know with an ADHD diagnosis was diagnosed over the age of 25 and contrary to what people always say about ADHD long term amphetamine use did not make any of them more normal or better functioning compared to before. Whether it's neurological or not it's an extremely aggravating disorder to deal with, always seemingly involving a huge ego and boundless ambition paired with absolutely no follow-through so they just seem to spend their lives wasting away and blogging online about how they totally would have been the most successful and accomplished individual of all time if it wasn't for their brain being wired wrong, which they suddenly discovered at age 28 and "explained everything."
I agree that the lack of boundaries sounds more like a typical BPD trait and I wonder if my friend does have BPD after all, she's somewhat prone to splitting too but is able to take accountability for treating other people badly more than the other bippies I've known and has genuinely been the
victim/less crazy person in almost all her romantic relationships. Most of the people I know with severe boundary issues like this are some sort of cluster B but I've also known people with severe boundary issues who seem otherwise mentally normal and together.
No. 2486966
I'm of the unpopular opinion a lot of autism misdiagnoses (if they're not trendy fakers or BPDs/NPDs claiming it for attention points) may just be trauma, and especially from narcissistic abuse at that. It's easy to think you have anything if you grew up fundamentally different.
Like, it's not rocket science. Narcissistic parents can isolate their children from the world, boom the child turns out socially retarded and has no idea how to deal with normal people. Autists struggle with tone, context, implication, sarcasm etc., but so can victims of narcs. Narcs love to misuse context, say things they don't mean, manipulate their tone, coax things out of their victims using false kindness only to do a full 180. Of course a child growing up around something like that would be hypervigilant and have no clue whether someone's tone means they're being serious or just a trap. Autists often need clarification, but so do narc abused children—narcs LOVE to say shit they twist so you won't understand, then claim it's your fault for being retarded and not understanding and refuse to clarify because it makes them feel superior.
Of course, the root is different, but it often looks similar on surface level if you just give your patient a checklist sheet with surface level phrases and "yes/no" answers. And psychs are lazy.
No. 2487070
>>2486966Psychs are lazy and sexist. They throw the "autism" label at bippie men or narc men because they're a "little weird" and "in their own world" but slap the narc and bippie label on women for being moody or over stimulated. I was misdiagnosed with BPD because my step father used to abuse me and I was jumpy, anxious and this fucker constantly threatened to kill himself and leaving me and my mother homeless and the psych mistook this as some sort of emotional codependecy like no bitch what the fuck he could die, as long he doesn't bring us with his misery.
Sage for blogpost, I don't even want attention for this, just giving a bit of context and personal experiences about how psychs are lazy. Turns out I was an autist (I have high sensory problems, other than restrictive interests and social cues are a nightmare to me despite growing up in a large community) that was constantly tortured psychologically. Most psychs are lazy in the way that they don't care about actual personal history, context, interpersonal relationships and such. I think that for moids it should be mandatory to attend therapy with the most influential woman in his life, mother or wife, to see where his bullshit falls off. Growing up I saw serial killers/rapists/criminals being labeled as autistic because they were socially awkward but conveniently missed all the other symptoms. Enough of this bullshit.
No. 2487635
>>2486933So, BPD traits. The diagnostic code for this stuff is usually on a spectrum of mild to severe. Maybe not the full thing but it's got that flavor.
>>2486953>real adhd is only diagnosed with a brain scanYes but nobody uses brain scans these days for a reason. And yes it's a neurological disorder but so what? It fucks up people's lives, fucks up their lives, messes with communication, interpersonal relationships and skills, et cetera.
t. adhdtard if that even matters. It's in the spirit of this thread, autists are also complained about and they're not a mental disorder, who cares
No. 2487765
>>2487629This thread is full of people talking about autism and ADHD, which are in the DSM and can broadly be lumped in with 'mental disorders' especially since many of us don't believe most people diagnosed with ADHD even have an inborn neurological condition. ADHD gets diagnosed the same way any mental disorder does, with a DSM-5 checklist and an assessment by a talk therapist, mostly based on the patient's self-report of symptoms and feelings and the clinician's perception of the patient's behavior, so other than some scientists claiming you're born with it (they also believe this about many PDs, schizophrenia, etc. by the way) it's essentially indistinguishable from a mental disorder. There isn't a brain scan or test that can diagnose it, it's just another 'do you check these boxes?' condition like depression or anxiety for all intents and purposes.
>>2487635>Yes but nobody uses brain scans these days for a reason. I really don't know where people got this idea but ADHD is not diagnosed with a brain scan… some scientists are trying to develop brain scans that can diagnose it (without much luck) but since it's definitionally a DSM diagnosis with subjective behavioral criteria, it definitionally can't be diagnosed with a brain scan, theories about a neurological cause (which also exist for 'mental disorders') notwithstanding.
No. 2490338
>>2490310I had a partner just like this. Accused me of cheating during important times like during illness, when a family member died, before an important test, during a milestone like getting a car, during valentines day,or while I work, ofc it was never an accuse it was an "I know you're cheating and I'm going to break up with you and there's nothing you can do to prove me otherwise". When I offered him to track my location, and to have all my passwords he declined despite him thinking I'm cheating everytime I turn my back, which made no sense to me. Never understood and my own theory is that he just liked how it emotionally affected me, often leading me to being an anxious wreck or having to leave work, ditch family or something to deal with a breakup
Also his stupid ass accidentally sent me screenshots of him cheating on me multiple times and he never knew
>Inb4 why did you deal with thisI was underage
No. 2490341
>>2490310So I did a bit of research and I think for the ones who are purely fear-based, it's because their fear isn't truly about you, it's about themselves. If you offer proof, it threatens their control that they have everything figured out. Their paranoia makes them only trust themselves, so if you offer proof, to them you're not
helping, you're
attacking them. In their mind it translates to you saying that they don't know what's real and can't trust themselves. Proof threatens them with the possibility they could be wrong, and if they're wrong, they have to admit they acted retarded, they have to confront their mistakes and of course they're not gonna do that.
>Their suspicions/delusions don't make them happy, they scare them. So why won't they seek reassurance?I could be wrong but I think delusions create structure? Even if the belief makes them disgusted or scared, like their kid being a prostitute or their partner cheating, it gives them something "logical" (to them at least) to latch onto.
>Do they think you're tricking them in doing so?Yes. The more calm and rational you act, the more suspicious they become. To them, people only offer evidence unless they're hiding something.
With the more narcissistic/ego ones, control is the motive, not truth. They don't give a shit whether you actually cheated or if their child is secretly some drug lord at school; for the latter they'd probably capitalise off all the money if it was true kek. They just want obedience and fear so you're constantly trying to earn their approval and disprove their fantasy so they can move their goalpost again like anon above.
>>2490338You don't have to explain why kek it's okay. Though there are some vindictive anons camping out here and there ready to
victim-blame so I get it.
No. 2490342
>>2490310The main person in my life who did/does this is my mom who is probably some form of cluster B and not schizo, but I know some other people with legit schizo family members and my working theory is that they actually enjoy the attention they get from it and know deep down it's unreasonable so they don't want you to do things to disprove their theories because they know they would still be paranoid but it would make them look even more crazy since there's proof. I think even for the ones who are far gone and really believe what they're saying (which most of them probably don't on some level) the schizo theories provide a crutch for them not to take responsibility for themselves and they're mentally comforted in some way when they can act like they really believe it.
Blog but my weirdest story about my mom doing this shit is I had a little jewelry box with a mirror inside the lid that I would put on my windowsill to use as a vanity mirror to do my makeup. Literally for years she would find it and move it/hide it and whenever I called her out she was like 'I know what you're doing with that and you have to stop.' I kept telling her I'm using it to do my makeup and asking her wtf she thinks I'm doing with it and she refused to tell me, probably because if she did it would make her look completely batshit crazy, but to this day in my thirties she still makes weird comments about it and says she threw it out so I can't 'do the thing' when I come back home to visit and stay in my room.
No. 2490345
>>2490341Didn't see your post before I posted right under you but I agree with you, your theory is similar to mine. Especially:
>I could be wrong but I think delusions create structure? When these people go on meds and become more sane they often don't enjoy it, I have a friend whose sister is like this, ruined her whole life (she had a really great six figure job, a kid, owns a million+ dollar house, etc) but when she would go on meds she seemed better and could keep her life together for a while but she repeatedly stops taking the drugs and goes back into full paranoid crazy mode. I think the responsibility of having to go to her fancy job and take care of her kid probably feels scarier to her in some way than believing that she's some kind of deity and is being gangstalked, she doesn't feel as important and she can't offload responsibility for her bad decisions so going back into psychosis probably comforts her in some way. She wasn't even one of those people who was having really bad physical health symptoms from her meds so I can't imagine why else she would go off them.
>To them, people only offer evidence unless they're hiding something. Yeah especially the extremely conspiratorial type of schizo thinks that offering solutions to their delusions is an actual psy-op and that they're letting you control them if they accept your evidence.
No. 2490347
>>2490346Yeah. That's the narcs and typical for narcs too. The pure schizos don't do it for control though, but most people of this type are a mix of both.
>seeing how far the partner will "fight" for their security and approvalYes, and if you give up on them and leave they chimp out and it's so funny.
>>2490310>>2490341My dad did this. I was getting Bs in school (he wanted As) and somehow his mind said it was because I was secretly dating three boyfriends at school and probably having unprotected sex and doing drugs with them. I barely even knew what sex was supposed to be, I was 11. I told him maybe he could conduct a drug test on me, or ask my teachers to tell him about my whereabouts/behaviour in class. Seemed reasonable, right? He went fucking berserk.
You cannot win. It then escalated to him thinking I was becoming a drug lord at the age of fucking 12 (made me sound so much more epic and cool than I really was kek) and threatening to take me out of school by forcing me to sign a contract under duress (because that's totally how that works). Later I got some As and then he claimed I was secretly bribing my teachers using sex/drugs. Like… what?
He also dickrides the law/police which is the funniest fucking thing because basic law says the onus/burden of proof is on HIM. Not once did he contact any of my teachers or the principal asking for my whereabouts. Actual beyond saving of a retard. If the police met him they'd throw him into an institution involuntarily at sight.
No. 2490351
>>2490346NTA but I think it is both a control and ego thing a lot of the time. For the control part, a lot of paranoid people who are having delusions feel out of control of their lives to a large degree and other people around them seeming sane and in control can highlight that, but if they manage to put other people around them on the back foot constantly by accusing them of crazy shit and making the people around them feel/act defensive and crazy, it can feel comforting and like they aren't the only crazy person in the room. If your reaction when they accuse you of smoking meth instead of going to class is to scream, cry, defend yourself etc. it feeds their delusion that they're onto something whereas if you just coldly tell them 'no, and I have proof' it puts them back into the position of being the only person acting crazy and paranoid.
For the ego thing, it's especially common in narcissists and BPDs but even normal psychotic/schizo people often have delusions of grandeur as part of their psychosis/delusions. Take the very common psychotic belief that you're being gangstalked, it makes you feel like you are very important and gives a sense of meaning to your life that you're a very special person constantly being targeted. The people around you reminding you that while you're sitting there ripping your hair out and thinking everyone's out to get you they're probably just working at their boring office job or buying groceries just twists the knife and reminds them that other people are out there having lives and not thinking about them. Note the very common conspiracy theory that kids who were in GATE/gifted programs are being gangstalked and monitored by the CIA or whatever, I think this delusion is particularly common with ex-gifted kids because a lot of them end up having pretty normal lives and can't deal with the ego injury of not living up to unreasonable expectations.
But also I think the third aspect is just that the delusions act as a sort of security blanket. Even if it's not an ego thing or about controlling other people, it gives them an excuse for their behavior and makes all the time they've spent obsessing over their delusions feel meaningful. Getting proven wrong feels like an attack on them like the other anon said. If they accept being proven wrong it would mean they actually have to modify their behavior/target of their delusions or come up with new schizo theories, but since they often know they're too crazy to accept proof they'd rather just not see it.
No. 2490368
>>2490365Have you met a real post-therapy bpd kek. It doesn't change them at all at the core. They just now use that therapyspeak to become more
abusive. You tell them to fuck off? Gasp, you're being a manipulative narcissist who's stonewalling them and they're just "protecting their peace and boundaries".
>>2490366Are you a newfag?
No. 2490390
>>2490380I agree with you that treatment never improves ADHD, and the most annoying person in my life currently has ADHD, but I still think BPD is worse because it causes people to be actual predatory abusers almost 100% of the time (and yes it is incurable) while ADHD mostly just makes people really annoying, but not evil.
>>2490381Scatterbrains is a really nice way of putting it. The women I know with ADHD are huge emotional vampires/attention sinks who take advantage of your time and effort and never give back. I agree ADHD moids are so much worse though.
>>2490389The last BPD in my life was my friend's girlfriend and she literally almost killed my friend multiple times, poured bleach on her head and slammed her skull into bathroom tile until she was bleeding, threatened to drive a car they were in off a bridge multiple times while speeding, etc.
No. 2490410
>>2490408I don't remember ever making a post like that but it's definitely possible that it was me and I just forgot. That shit traumatized me for years because I was the main 'shoulder to cry on' friend for that friend and she made me swear not to tell anyone else she knows about the shit that her girlfriend was doing to her, but I had to listen to the drama 24/7 and go through the emotional BPD-
victim rollercoaster with her of her alternating 'actually, I'M the psychopath narcissist evil abuser demon and my girlfriend is a perfect rare angel!' one day and 'omg I think she's gonna literally kill me anon' the next day. Glad you learned to keep people like that away from you and glad I helped if it's me you're thinking of. If not, maybe there are multiple BPD women out there acting the exact same way.
No. 2490428
>>2490419I think it can go both ways, and part of the problem is just that therapyspeak and people casually interested in human/relationship psychology go read a bunch of pop science articles and end up putting themselves and everyone they don't like in boxes based on vague DSM checklists and descriptions. On one hand I think there are a lot of undiagnosed cluster Bs (especially of the ASPD/NPD variety) because they can usually keep it together enough to avoid official diagnosis and seem externally normal to casual acquaintances/coworkers and the like, so some people are probably just noticing a pattern in loved ones that most other people don't notice.
On the other hand I think a lot of people calling other people narcissistic are just projecting and are mad that they themselves don't get enough attention/ego boosts/coddling from the people around them, which they perceive as narcissism. Lots of people perceive another person having healthy self esteem and boundaries as narcissism if they themselves have extremely low self esteem or resent other people setting boundaries with them. Coddling 'gentle parenting' theory also makes a lot of people think their parents are narcissistic abusers for disciplining them and trying to raise them properly, and will get backed up by their friends. Just look at all the moids who accuse women of being narcissistic just for rejecting them or ending relationships where the moid mistreats the woman and she knows she could do better.
No. 2490437
>>2490414Well, it's true. People with PDs pass it onto their kids, the cycle of abuse never ends. It's genuinely depressing.
>>2490416Yeah there's been a lot of posts about this itt or the previous one. Basically the rule is, if you think everyone's an asshole, then you're the asshole. Claiming everyone is shit means you get to dodge all responsibility while acting as if you're the soft baby
victim hunted down by le ebil narc society. They see narcs in their own kids when their kids stand up to their bullshit.
>>2490428>Lots of people perceive another person having healthy self esteem and boundaries as narcissism if they themselves have extremely low self esteem or resent other people setting boundaries with them.Spot on. It's always the anxious, shy, low self-esteem types that cling to the poor misunderstood empath label because they can't imagine others being not like them. Confident, chill. You don't even have to have healthy self esteem or be assertive, all you need to do is be confused by their behaviour and you're an evil boogeyman to them.
No. 2490452
>>2490437I've known people who call themselves empaths who are actually really domineering and assertive too, which will be really annoying because they'll cut you off when you're trying to answer their questions about your life to dominate the conversation about how actually they already know better how you think and feel, pull some shit out of their asses completely and repeatedly cut you off when you say that's not actually what you were going to say. Regardless whether they're an introvert or extrovert the people that call themselves that usually seem to have an issue with theory of mind and understanding other people's motivations so they project like crazy and think they're the only sane ones.
>they can't imagine others being not like them.Blog but I used to go on the neopets forums (you can imagine what kind of people frequented those) and would get called a narcissist like 90% of the time I ever casually mentioned anything good about my life, like going to my first choice university or having friends or anything. It confused me so much at first until I realized it was just, like you're saying, people incapable of imagining that someone else might have a different personality or self-concept from their own. I grew up always being told by my parents and society that it's good to befriend the anxious, shy, low-self-esteem types because they have hidden depths and so much to share but now I mostly avoid those people (even though there are some great people who are shy with low self-esteem) because a lot of them really do perceive you as evil when they can't relate to something about you.
No. 2490458
>>2490310In my experience, there are two kind of schizos and one isn't actually a schizo.
>Type A, the ones that are deep in conspiracy theories like gangstalking, radio waves etcThese ones are deep in their delusions, esp. the ones that are deep in gangstalking shit, they genuinely believe that they're followed around/living in a simulation. Paradoxically, they're comfortable in that because it explains their delusions, they're in a terrible tunnel vision but their delusions don't attack someone in particular so they're mostly deluded bastards that are no better than a demented old guy that screams random things
However the
>Type B "schizos", the one that carefully craft shit dynamics with one person in particular (children, spouses etc) are just cluster bitches. They do not believe that shit, they simply like to accuse people because to them it's fun seeing them proving themselves wrong or they're using it as a test. A bippie that says "you're cheating on me because (x)" doesn't actually believe that, is more>"You(in particular) have to act like I say and if you don't then you're doing stuff against me"Because they idealize people and the moment they slip, then they're accused
>"You're cheating, right? (please tell me you're not so I can feel better)"Self explanatory, it's a retarded trial of love, tiring
>"You're cheating! Tell me that you're cheating! (I'm actually the one cheating, please confess so I can confess too and feel less bad)Accusation is confession.
In the second case, they do not actually believe that shit, they are doing a mental gymnastic session to soothe themselves, because they can't do on their own, by putting the responsability on other people so they have the mental coddling without the stress of internal conflict, they simply give it to you.
Parents like this should be locked up away from their children because it's a learned behaviour and it can really break people (I was accused of smoking despite never smoking in my life even right now at 30 years old but I constantly felt watched and I even stopped hanging around with my friends because they were smoking and I was afraid the smell would latch to me) and in case of partners with this kind of retarded delusions, they should do couple therapy. To identify which kind of schizo or pseudoschizo they are, just look where their delusions are headed because if it's not a greater power (ex. the government) and very specific people, they're most like a bippie that idealized too hard and now can't cope with the fact that people are not characters in their head but actual people.
No. 2492013
>>2491765I hate people like this. It’s not even a specific disorder, they get a diagnosis that means everyone around them has to offer them endless empathy and understanding and give them special accommodations, but at the same time they’re smarter and more superior?it’s why I hate a lot of autistic people. They are basically tards that can’t do anything for themselves yet still have the nerve to have this “I’m surrounded by idiots” mentality when they are literally dependant on normies to survive. They also can’t accept that nobody gives a fuck about their retarded special interests. It’s like they see normies as either their indentured servants or their sounding boards to waffle away about meaningless crap to, or their unpaid therapists, yet when a normie has a problem or needs a shred of empathy and understanding it’s “you’re trauma dumping on me!!! You’re
triggering me I’m gonna have a meltdown!!!”
A diagnosis is an excuse for a lot of people to basically be a selfish piece of shit.
No. 2492334
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As a former anachan, it is so fucking hard for me to deal with anachans. I have some amount of empathy for them, but once you're "out of it", the competition, the borderline infantilization, the hatred, etc. is wildly pathetic. Not sure if this should go in the vent thread or not because of spoilered text; I had an account where I was very obviously bodychecking–yes, cringe–and I had nothing about what I ate or anything about my anorexia, but I still ended up on EDTwt with comparisons between myself when I was obviously disordered with some retarded caption about how just a few pounds makes a difference. I was in recovery and actually had some weight and was just posting sorority photos, pics of me at concerts, so on and so forth; completely innocuous photos. That shit fucked me up so badly, and it wasn't removed until a year or so after repeatedly begging the Muskrat legion to take it down.
Also, I have a hard time with people with BPD, because I'm emotionally retarded and admittedly do not have the EQ to deal with them. One of my friends (who I love) has it, and sometimes when she vents to me I feel even more retarded than I already am because I have no idea why what I consider small things would cause such a large effect.
No. 2492535
Genuinely cannot stand talking to autists with no social skills.
I know that they're socially retarded, but sometimes the level of their ineptitude amazes me. Especially the ones that never leave the house. You can never actually have a conversation with them, because they're either talking AT you or they're looking for any excuse to be offended and start arguing. They treat every interaction like it's a debate, and they really wanna win that debate.
>Wow, the sky is so blue today!
>"Erhmn, akshually the sky is a crisp cerulean today."
>Yeah, but cerulean is a type of blue.
>"Erhmn, so strange that you initially claimed that the sky was blue, but once being corrected, you now claim that cerulean is a type of blue therefore denying your initial argument. How… illogical!"
>What?
>"Erhmn, your attempt at sea-lioning will not work in this debate. You have been confronted with the factual knowledge and you continue to endeavor to spread disinformation. My superior intellect cannot be so easily swayed by your illogical fallacious arguments, so I suggest you reformulate them with haste."
>You're weird
>"ERHMNNN I AM AUTISTIC AND YOU ARE BEING ABLEIST! HOW DARE YOU! I tried to have a good-faith debate with you but you stoop so low as to personally insult me instead of admitting that I am smarter than you and that I won our debate! I will be telling my Bluesky followers about this blatant attack on my personhood!"
And then they'll waddle away seething or crying or some shit.
If you say one thing that they internally disagree with, they will never let it slide. They will go out of their way to explain to you, while stuttering, the 101 ways in which you are wrong and the 1001 ways in which they are correct. They will treat you like you're the idiot while making themselves look like a buffoon, and then they'll walk away from the interaction confused as to why you didn't like them. They act like they're the smartest person in every room, and as much as they say they love logic, they are the first to use a logical fallacy. The most annoying part is that they do all this, and then they STILL act confused as to why nobody likes them and nobody wants to talk with them.
The craziest thing is that autists that actually go out and have a life and make friends aren't like this, it's specifically the autists that think having friends is a waste of time or that they're too smart for a normal job.