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>>1978406Thread to discuss the phenomenon of "fujoshi", the women that identify as such and the women who criticise it.
To a latter extent, discuss also the phenomenon of "yumejoshi" and "himejoshi", especially when it comes to the yume vs. fujo feud.
Discuss the history of fujoshism, speculate on its reasons, argue your opinion on it and exchange intelligent views with other farmers.
Topics include:
>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"? >Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed? >Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society? >Can yumes and fujos be friends?New questions:
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing? >Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they? >Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?>Do you think there is a problemwhen it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Be respectful and do not infight. Honest discussion only.
No. 2297552
>>2297545If you get
triggered by seeing beautiful women in fiction then maybe you just have some self-esteem problems yourself? Why would I want to see uglies in my fiction
>>2297547>not wanting a big titty hentai monster mc isnt the same as wanting an ugly mc.Except that's not even most otome/yume media anyways. Most of the time the MC is also just a plain faceless woman. And yet you'll still find ways to complain about that. Wonder why…
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>>2297552if you think pic rel is ugly because it doesnt have gigantic breasts then you are pornsick
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>>2297557I don't think this is ugly, but this is the kind of shit that self-hating fujos will complain about. They have to look like some tumblrina caricature like picrel
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>>2297561Why is Umi Indian and why do tumblrites always absolutely destroy her design every time they draw her. I guess they also love to make Nozomi deathfag and black but at least most of the time they keep her attractive. With Umi they just make her look like a TiM. Every. Single. Time.
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>>2297561>They have to look like some tumblrina caricature like picrelI think pic related is cute, it's made by a fujo. Does she really look like a tumblrina caricature?
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>>2297579why do you pickmes always make up headcanons to defend your dear moids, there have been several male characters that get censored or uglyfied because men complain. Moids threw a hissy fit and got a woman fired over this.
No. 2297610
>>2297606Please understand, fujos are grossly overweight and deformed so the thing they want the least is for some fictional girl to
trigger their insecurities when watching porn.
No. 2297635
>>2297614Sex isn't meant to be viewed by women anon. Men can view it just fine because their sensations are the least important part of it kek. Which is why erotica is more popular amongst women, that's when the description of the sensations sets in. If you're viewing a woman moaning because of the feeling of a dick inside her while the camera goes over her body without you yourself getting turned off then there's something off about you, and that's okay, because you're not meant to be viewing that in the first place; pornography is completely unnatural.
Conversely, you also have to be some sick fuck to be wanting to see the men to be the ones feeling said sensations instead of you going out there to actually experience them. Which is fine, everyone here is autistic anyway.
No. 2297643
>>2297609Way off, it's kinda funny.
>>2297616The last thread posted a yuri in a similiar style and that one has been discussed in the fujo thread just fine.
No. 2297695
>>2297221But when do you even sexualize men though? All I see is pooner tier menstruation over their spechul feewings and compwexity. The average bloobloo plotline is even more cringe than the mopiest grocery isle romance novel for 45 year old aunties, and the "sexualization" is suitslop tier.
>>2297227Have fun writing the exact same cringe melodrama while coping by pretending you don't want it because you're in the cuck chair.
No. 2297700
>>2297694Of course, but I don't
get horny at the thought of being hot kek
No. 2297717
>>2297711???
many fujos read straight content too, i don't know why you retards keep pretending like they don't. On most stories i read i find fujos reading them too. Idk why yall keep lying. But that's probably because you are a yuripedo.
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>>2297711There's plenty examples though.
No. 2297739
>>2297722I can't tell if they're so narcissistic that they HAVE to imagine themselves as hentai proportioned anime waifus, or if they're so insecure they can't self-insert to "boring" characters because it's not a good enough power fantasy. Either option would be okay if they didn't insist on bashing everyone else for it and projecting their neuroses everywhere.
>>2297729Inb4 they call this a Tumblr OC
No. 2297761
>>2297740i think you are confused and we keep on having this same convo over and over again because you can't understand nuance.
We are okay with pretty female leads, we are even okay with ones that are sexy.
The problem here is when the female leads get turned into coombait and there is too much focus on her body during the sex scenes. Or authors doing cashgrabs and making their josei smuts be male gazed because they want to omnipander.
You can't be this retarded to not understand what we mean, right?
For example look at manhwas like Beethoven Syndrome or Uknown Caller in those stories despite them being named josei the female lead is way too sexualised and treated like a blow up sex doll and the male leads behave like incels.
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>>2297767no wonder yaoi is so popular there if the alternative is this
No. 2297789
>>2297767Apologies if you're being sarcastic, but if you're serious I don't think this is really a gotcha considering how
toxic and misogynistic Japanese beauty standards are.
No. 2297810
since a certain fujo here wants to infight bait and lurk that other thread and steal screencaps from there im not even going to bother defending fujos anymore. From now on yuripedos can say whatever they want to you and i will mind my business. You hypocrites can't complain about yurifags bullying you yet treating yumes the same way, k bye
>>2297800anon is just one of those rare fujos who actually do fit the stereotype of a misogynistic fujo
No. 2297839
>>2297830Moralizing took hold and now it's just getting more and more ridiculous.
I've said it before, but this discussion should have ended with "people like what they like and that's OK."
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>>2297829if you cant differentiate between yuri content made for women and anime porn featuring lesbians then youre just retarded
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>>2297825>I don't thinkI mean, this is the crux of the issue. The thread is literally picrel. You're all arguing about your own personal tastes and trying to pass it off as "teh best." There are billions of women on earth and they're all gonna be turned on by different things, and trying to apply morality to cartoon characters smooching is retarded.
No. 2297854
>>2297787i am a yume too(i make my own shit because i dont like 99% of yumeshit) i just hate that slop and i just dont see the need for the women to be that sexualized. It just made me understand why yaoi is that popular when the alternative is fucking ugly. Also sorry
nonny but the anatomy on the scrotes is offputting and creepy, they have gigantic claws for hands.
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>>2297846Who was picrel made for, then?
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>>2297854yeah alot of yume content is bad i do agree with that. i just don't like how you falsely labelled that story as male gaze because it's one of those rare works where the men are equally sexualised. What you were doing was yurifag behaviour, you can't call out yurifags for certain behaviour then act the same way as them.
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>>2297871fujotroons getting too bold, let's talk about how there is more pregnancy in yaoi than in hetero KEK
No. 2297882
>>2297871Those aren't gigantic you retard. those are large, but not freakishly large. and that's not ahegao… what do you want her to do? frown?
and the fantasy here is being ravished by these guys, Why would they be in the center? Especially when two people have sex facing forwards the woman will be in front? Points for her being the only naked one though
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>>2297857> yaoiwho was this made for then
No. 2297892
>>2297869Just speaking for myself here, but being unable to "stand a woman being attractive to a man," is not why I tend not to seek out straight stuff. My main reason is that the sort of character dynamics I often like just feel icky when it's a straight pairing. I like the drama of characters being terrible for each other but staying together anyway because I like the character intrigue and the psychological component. With two men or two women, it just seems like both people are on equal footing. But with a man and a woman, that kind of dynamic is too common in real life and too sad to be exciting fiction for me. Am I making sense? I like "
toxic" relationships in fiction, but I don't want to see a man abuse a woman.
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>>2297885yeah it's so minuscule that's why omegaverse stories are almost always trending or popular. Get off your copium, fujotroon.
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>>2297882> and that's not ahegaoshe has fucking heart eyes
>Those aren't gigantic you retard.they are, they dont look gigantic to you because they are being covered by grotesque yaoi hands. Put it next to pic rel and they look nasty as fuck.
No. 2297900
>>2297892That's true and I can't deny a man and woman in a
toxic relationship has more baggage IRL. It's just sad that it has to be inherently unequal all the time
No. 2297906
>>2297887>>2297900>>2297883>>2297857So the moral of the story is that there is
no such thing as muh pure uncorrupted feminist genre. The moralfagging itt is so stupid.
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>fujos will defend this
No. 2297924
>>2297906Yes, the moralizing is retarded.
The Strike Witches shit should be fine (as long as it's in the anime thread, I don't know why yuripedo never just looks for more fans there, though she did find a fan in fandom discourse so whatever), the josei stuff is fine, the yaoi stuff is fine, the people complaining about yuri pedophiles this, josei tradthot that, omegaverse pooner this, need to learn to shut the fuck up and get some self awareness.
No. 2297925
>>2297892How about in scenarios where the sex has nothing to do with why one person is
toxic to another? Have you played otome games at all? What power exists if fiction can remove all of that?
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>>2297908ACKSHUALLY the genre was kicked off by Supernatural fanfic. This is BASIC fandom history smh
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>>2297907friendly reminder most love stories have the ugly moid landing a qtie who loves him for ''who he is uwu'' but asking the same from stuff made for women is too much, we have to be blow up hentai dolls even in fiction to be loved. Bleak.
No. 2297935
>>2297916https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omegaverse>Omegaverse fiction typically focuses on wolf or other canid-like behavior in humans, especially as it pertains to sexual intercourse and sexuality, which is described as instinctual, responding to animalistic physiological stimuli.[1][2] This includes rutting and heat cycles, pheromonal attraction between Alphas and Omegas,[10] penises with knots (used to "knot", or tie, the partner to an Alpha during copulation, an action known as "knotting"),[1] scent marking,[11] imprinting,[8] breeding, mating rites, pack structures[12] and potentially permanent psychic bonds with a mate.[6] No. 2297945
>>2297935kek
nonny, its based on a supernatural fanfic its not about fucking dogs.
No. 2297949
>>2297939You are being obtuse. Obviously that's the type of love anons will focus on in a thread related to
romance genres. I feel like even autists would implicitly understand this.
No. 2297954
>>2297944you honestly sound really insecure
nonny, you are either an anachan or one of those womens who spends thousands to get the new trendy cosmetic surgery to be a sex doll to men. Bleak shit.
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>>2297867what is happening???
No. 2297987
>>2297952i dont get this logic i dont even watch IRL gay porn because I dont care about IRL gay men I just like anime men.
>>2297919I never understood this because Sebastian is clearly straight he is constantly fucking on women throughout the series
No. 2297994
>>2297989Do…do
you schlick it to the feMC?
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>>2297987>is purposefully obtuse of how delusional fujos are about their pedo shipsif they werent then fujos wouldnt be reeing about the mha ending on twitter
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I think we need to bring back homophobic fujos though, the last time I saw them was on lc and a handful of jjk fujos who outed themselves after the election. I want yumespergs to stfu too but don't get mad when somebody calls your faggots loser faggots I think it's funny. I'm kidding but for real, no genre is really 100% turbo feminist or whatever. I understand now why this conversation keeps going in circles on either side, female socialization is straight up inconvenient at times. I want female autism to be free and spread its wings even if it's evil
No. 2298060
>>2298016No, the worst was
remembering in post clarity that I was unemployed because of Covid and then crying about being a broke bitch wasting her time reading porn.I got better.
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>>2298039NTA is it actually normal to be attracted to being belittled by males, am I backwards or something for agreeing with that anon. If a male spoke that way to me my pussy would turn inside out and I'd cry in fear and run away. This thread is crazy, I am learning things I should have never learnt.
No. 2298106
>>2298082samefagging to say like, just cause
i think male ryona is based doesnt mean i dont
know how the majority of people react to that. unfortunately the popularity of "dark romance" has made it even more acceptable to vocally like male on female violence
No. 2298120
>>2298048>>2298016It probably is a preexisting issue and reading a lot of BL is exacerbating it for you. It sounds like you're using it as an escape and feeling a disconnect between your fantasy and your reality. I don't know what kind of advice to give you though because I have problems with relying on escapism too heavily too. Except don't chop your tits off over it.
Honestly this is part of why I like cuntboy (To adress one of the new questions in the OP) aside from thinking anal is repulsive, I can just relate to the physicality of it more. Anything to my taste is basically nonexistent though, and if it's made by westoids it's going to be gendie shit which annoys me too so I just make my own. I don't know what other fujos opinion on it is though, for the record I'm a shipper and I don't touch original BL works at all.
No. 2298141
>>2298120Thanks for the genuine advice anon, ignore that other baiter. And yeah this didn't start it for me i actually had dysphoria since i started puberty before i read yaoi. For me yaoi just worsens my dysphoria but it didnt start it.
Don't worry i won't troon out.
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>when you can no longer moralfag over whose porn is more feminist at least you can make it about whose porn makes them NLOG or not
No. 2298156
>>2298016>but does anyone else have slight body dysphoria when reading BL ? I don’t.
How severe is your dysphoria? Can you minimize the contacts with tactless people, try eating different food, doing interesting activity like dancing, volleyball or horsing? Try check up blood analysis for deficiencies and if results are alright try a therapist to prescribe you meds. I wish you health and happiness, nona.
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>>2298148Samefag, she deleted her posts. Chickenshit can't even stand by her own nonsense.
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>>2298173Kek you're right
>It turns out that the PC2198 is an advanced bio-type computer that needs a nearly constant input of sperm to function! No. 2298206
>>2298197Why is Japan's coom material so, like…
especially retarded
No. 2298216
>>2298141Yeah I understand, it's a similar story for me. You can't control what you like so while I wouldn't force yourself to read het you don't enjoy, if you like yaoi, but too much makes you uncomfortable with your body or self you should just try to read it in moderation while you work on your personal issues. I do also recommend trying something creative if you don't already, making art or stories for your own sake, with your own tastes, instead of being at the whims of other artists. Even if you suck it's worth a shot.
This is not really the place but honestly the best medicine for dysphoria aside from taking good physical care of yourself is to learn to value yourself as an individual. You don't have to force yourself into a box, and you're not a failure for not perfectly fitting the accepted idea of what a woman should be, or for being uncomfortable with how the world treats females. Yaoi is fantasy and escapism, so I hope you can have fun with it again instead of it making you upset.
No. 2298223
>>2298197I think we can all agree that no matter what women like– yaoi, yuri, yume, femdom– it will never,
ever be as retarded as this kind of shit. Good grief, what is wrong with moids? We should all take a moment to appreciate how much classier we are as a sex.
No. 2298240
>>2298223Yume here, I agree.
>>2298218NTA but you guys can just agree to disagree. She can ignore the TIF culture but not the TIMs, whereas you can't ignore the TIFs but can find a way to ignore the TIMs.
No. 2298266
>>2298233NTAYRT, she's Mexican (from Monterrey specifically) and a /pol/tard who posted on /soc/ as well (kek why do all the cows from here post themselves on /soc/?)
>>2298048>I tried to read yume content but its terribleMany of us yumes on LC hate most yume content with a passion, as well. That's why we try to curate the good stuff. It's not a lot, but it does exist (especially when it comes to fanart, see the yumejoshi/POV art thread, for example).
For the record, when someone posted a gif of a certain TL manga that got an anime, anons agreed that the source is trash even though the gif was hot. We're all sick of "female gaze" smut focusing on the female self-insert as if she were an uke in yaoi.
No. 2298332
>>2297892You enjoy scenarios you would partake in if you weren't a woman.
Basically fujos like every single 50shades maledom slop trope, but in a chickenshit roundabout shame-ridden way. Then they sneer at josei slop because they see themselves in it and it hits too close to home.
No. 2298334
>>2298325Same. If anything, a female MC with personality makes it
easier to empathise with her and imagine yourself in her shoes. The overly docile ones who get pulled around as the plot demands are just unnatural to me kek
No. 2298339
>>2298332what? women into
toxic yaoi like seeing the guys in pain, its completly different to women who self insert as docile submissive smol waifs
No. 2298342
>>2298332NTA but "seeing a man be
toxic and
abusive to a woman hits too close to reality and it's too depressing to appeal" is a perfectly reasonable reaction and doesn't seem like shame at all.
No. 2298419
>>2298232i do it because my nigel is hot and i enjoy sex just like my yaoi men wouldve wanted.
>>2298364they have a one track mind. My favorite sex scene of all time isnt even from a BL its from Berserk between two straight characters losing their virginity to each other. They even tackle childhood sexual assault and how it impacts your sex life as an adult. Sadly the eclipse ruins the moment but without the eclipse its easily the hottest sex scenes i've read and will continue to read because its between 2 characters that love each other. And thats my issue with Hetero Smut the 2 characters are rarely fleshed out enough for me to even want to see them fuck on each other. The ones with the self inserts make the women such doormats that it takes me out of the story. All of the best Josei with fleshed out romances you have to read a fanfiction in order to get the sex scene you want.
No. 2298470
>>2298359>can't those fujos also enjoy healthy het too?I'm
>>2297892, and yes, I do occasionally enjoy het stuff, though it's usually just sfw SOL.
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>>2297780Het by le based man objectifying fujo who won't stand for josei coomslop portrayal of women, everyone:
>big booba retard MC>female focus>endless close-ups of boobs and vag indistinguishable from hentai>noncon>men calling her a slut with a dirty pussy >no pussy eating but gets assfucked>orgasms from being breathed at No. 2298925
>>2298818I don't care if the female is shown naked or naturally from how a normal person would see her because I want to find reason that the ML would be attracted to MC. I just don't want to see closeups of her genitals or unnatural angles that are obviously male gazey.
also assfucking lol. few women actually enjoy that
No. 2299190
>>2299131Show me where someone was literally trying to
stop you. Fujos have definitely been condescending, and I think it's retarded for them to act like any kind of porn is more "feminist," but antis are the ones running around saying shit like
>As long as one fujo breathes, I'm a hater.I do not fucking care what type of manga random strangers read. Most fujos (outside of a handful of schizos here) don't, either.
You guys are the ones chimping out because some slash fanart occasionally ends up on your Twitter feed by accident. I see shit I don't like on my feed all the time, but I just either blacklist the tag or ignore it and move on. Yaoi isn't feminist, but neither is straight porn. It's porn for fuck's sake.
No. 2299285
>>2299041how many times do we have to explain this, all bl is
toxic heterosexuality with extra steps
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>>2298026all the qrts are calling call fujos porn addicted cucks, lmao
No. 2299369
>>2299285But is it honestly any less
toxic than standard het stuff? Further, the argument that it's "functionally straight" is based on an incredibly outdated, surface-level perception of BL. Therein lies the problem with criticizing something you have very little personal familiarity with and have a vendetta against purely for retarded fandom drama and aesthetic reasons. You can "explain" it as many times as you want, that doesn't make it true or even particularly convincing kek.
No. 2299407
>>2299302Inch resting how anons here have contempt for Twitter's cancer userbase
except when they say something they personally agree with. The opinions of random retards in QRTs are functionally worthless.
Also, Arcane sucks and I'm sick of hearing this one anon constantly sperg about this shitty TV show and petty shipping drama in its fandom. When you do nothing but hop between the latest FOTM garbage, you shouldn't be surprised when you're surrounded by speds and TikTok retards. Why don't you try watching something that came out more than five years ago for a change?
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>>2299302meanwhile fujotifs openly admit they trooned because of yaoi
No. 2299427
>>2299285DA, although I'm not a fujo I have noticed that yaoi copies het, but the appeal of yaoi is that it's a moid being degraded instead of a woman. A fujoyume could replace the "seme" with a woman and she'd get femdom with the moid still being degraded and being slutty and/or turned into a slut.
All yaoi can be argued as being
toxic heterosexuality but it's only based if the woman reading it self-inserts as the dominant one, most yaoi has the POV of the seme anyway with the focus looking at a submissive male, so fujos who author their own BL and the audience who buys it clearly have their own tastes. Yaoi, from my perspective, is closer to femdom than maledom.
One thing I know is that Japanese commercial works have a lot more editing than Korean ones, so that's why Korean femdom/yaoi gets more brutal, meanwhile in JP works the editing team meddles a lot and tells the authors to tone it down to appeal to the masses. For example you would never get a Japanese version of Sadistic Beauty.
No. 2299485
>>2299427Where is all this based man degrading fujoshitism though? All I see is embarrassing melodramatic cockworship and "protecting" uwu abused men or whatever. Even the "
abusive"
toxic slop they consume seems to revolve around licking the wounds of the poor moids rather than reveling in their suffering. The schizo that TLed sadistic beauty (you know, the one shitting up the panels with her wokscold commentary about poor Minho) is a fujo, who sounds like every fujo ever in the comments when the moid gets hurt uwu.
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>>2299427so picrel would be an example of what you mean, one male character is feminized and the female character is masculinized, at no point is there anything resembling a character wanting to please a woman, it's all focused on the feminized male, how do you reconcile that?
No. 2299545
>>2299485The author is also a fujo, doesn't what happen to him count?
If you want recs for abuse, then go to the fujo thread and ask.
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Ultra fem uke Wolverine
No. 2299690
>>2298694you only get banned for blogging on cow threads
>>2299652wolverine’s canonically a manlet so I guess he is “hyper-feminized” KEK
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>>2299441>the uke is always hyper feminizedAnon, tell me which of the characters in picrel is the "hyper feminine uke" based on the designs alone
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>>2299923Not even a josou seme?
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Fuck it, Spideypool thread
No. 2300027
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What do anons think of this? It was in response to some tweet about adding tifs to BL.
No. 2300059
>>2300027I think she's over-generalizing a little bit, but I agree with the overall sentiment. The characters in yaoi, even the semes, are often written more like women than like men. I'd still describe it as gay, but not in any kind of realistic way. I remember seeing a post on Tumblr a while back that said something to the effect of
>women write men with so much more care and nuance than men actually have, while men write women like they've never spoken to a woman in their livesAnd I think that definitely holds true for any kind of romance. Gay moids irl are into like. Chest hair and musclepigs and anonymous sex in public bathrooms. Yaoi writers are into slow burn feelingsy shit.
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>>2300027>>2300059Tbh I think this is a bit of a "you need to get out of your zone more" since anime men are generally written not like men, even the ones meant for men.
Like even isekai shit like Overlord or SAO, if anybody actually read those, the mcs think in a similiar way. They're more demure, more cowardly and thoughtful. Like look at harem protagonist. They're not like real men.
Same thing goes for shoujo and Josei, Natsume isn't written like a guy, neither is somebody like Ginko from Mushishi.
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>>2299968Nonna sama you’re ruining my groomer fantasies with that…
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>>2300582It’s okay, I like the comic one (specifically with this haircut and thick eyebrows) more anyway.
No. 2300793
>>2300586I'm 100% sure theyre going to pull a
Rayearth and the final girlfriend will be you, the viewer, who has been at his side all along! Alongside a little place to write your name.
No. 2300844
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>>2300804It fits the anime's vibe (retardo comedy)
No. 2300875
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
yes anime boys are just objects. you can google 'anime character vs human being'. there is no similarity unless you're dumb
>>b-but the idea of a man = a man ?!
okay and i guess loving running over pedestrians in gta 5 means you want to do that irl
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
some fujos are solitary, many men do "goon" with other men (i'm prety sure there are regular "fap together~ <3" threads on /trash/, they have entire imageboards and telegrams dedicated to getting one another off, etc.)
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
the way they draw men is just a male with a pussy and scars, it's like the fantasy of a cuntboy but put through the gendie grinder. as they're basically men and the pussy is just there so they can self-insert better, i'll say yeah they're fujos (if they're into bl content, danmei webtoons etc. not really westoid slop like shartstopper)
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
horseshoe theory and female socialization. a female's place of power is being beautiful and young: men love beautiful and young women. heterosexual dynamics demand tiddy hamster x big daddy. many women enjoy being the tiddy hamster this is the ultimate blackpill. most women LOVE being treated as "women", that sociocultural idea.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
yes and no it depends on how angry i am at whomever i'm arguing against and how high i want my horse to be. it really doesn't fucking matter though
No. 2300944
>>2300875
>okay and i guess loving running over pedestrians in gta 5 means you want to do that irlok by that logic lolishota has no bearing on what you're sexually attracted to IRL. There's a difference between cartoon violence and gooning to what is for all intents and purposes, a child
and to your spoiler, sounds like a really edgy conclusion. we've only had about a century of having rights and means to live independently of men, and you jump to conclusions because most women still don't give a shit about women as a class. Like hell they would, we've had millennia of programming
No. 2301195
>>2300944While I find lolishota to be repulsive and I dislike seeing it, on a purely free-speech level, I don't think any kind of art should be illegal unless children or animals were harmed in the actual making of it. I don't know much about the research that happens in this area (anons who do, feel free to share) but is there a difference in likelihood-to-offend between pedophiles who do view drawn cp and those who don't? I feel like the ones who do view those things
would be more likely to offend because they're positively reinforcing their sexual associations with children. But on the other hand, could drawings theoretically be a deterrent to exchanging actual, photographed CP? If the drawn alternative exists, would more guys go with that instead of seeking out images of actual, real-life kids on the dark web? Or is it a "gateway drug" situation, where eventually the drawn version is no longer enough and they start to want photos? Basically, I'm struggling to square my free-speech-absolutism with my overwhelming desire to prevent the victimization of children.
All of this is in reference to moids, mind you. Women are extremely unlikely to molest kids or obtain CP, especially without a male accomplice. I think discussions of the potential harms of loli/shota content should focus mostly on how moids create and consume it, since moids are the demographic actually hurting kids.
No. 2301317
>>2300952>>2301195We all know loli/shotafag moids are actual pedophiles and 2D child pornography doesn't actually help stop them from seeing real children as attractive. If anything, many lolicon artists draw inspiration from real life cases of child sexual abuse with serial rapist level of detail. Take Geiger Counter for example (where the infamous depressed loli reaction pic comes from) or mossa's Baraag porn where many of his pedo pieces look lifted straight from real child pornography or feature a scary closeness to real life violent porn and rape fantasies (he also showed himself that he references child gravure on Twitter iirc) With such a level of obsession with real CP among male lolifags, you'd have to extend the question to real CP wrt whether consuming it actually stops pedophiles from offending, but of course you don't even need to ask that since both the production and distribution of real CP harms real children.
But we all know about pedo moids. The question here is about female lolifags and shotafags. I don't care that they're women and thus less likely to molest children. They might be highly unlikely to be as bad as moids, but that doesn't mean they're not bad at all or that I should accept their little kid fetish. They're still attracted to sexualized representations of children. If you have a husbando and like to see him naked and sporting an erection, you're attracted to men. Likewise if you often look at pornographic drawn content of characters that were designed to have child bodies, aesthetics and behavior, you're attracted to children, period. Even if it's an "idealized" version of children.
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>>2300027I thought we all knew this!? I’ve known this since at least a teen. It might not be as clear in today’s BL but the early 2000s and and 90s BL I grew up on. The uke was heavily female coded. A big example I could think of is the Uke in Okane ga Nai. But there are countless examples especially if you grew up watching earlier BL. Level C is another example. But new age fujos aren’t watching the old school BL to notice. They are also mainly reading like Korean BL since it’s more raunchy, in color , and updates way more frequently. Korean BL I don’t think has that problem as much. I don’t think newer BL you can see the female coding the same.But if you even listen to old school drama cds the ukes sound indistinguishable from women. But nowadays I think because people associate gay men with being effeminate and the ukes stopped trying to sound like women, they don’t clock the female coding as much. But honestly I always tend to skip over BL where the uke acts blatantly like a girl or I drop it because otherwise I’d just read Shoujo/Josei. You can also tell they are female coded because the Seme always denies that he’s gay and they focus too much on nipple play. That’s why I enjoy new age BL more because both the seme and Uke act like stereotypes of gay/straight males instead of the stereotype of a docile women.
No. 2301352
>>2300952Sorry I replied to you earlier, I meant to write an actual response.
Nta but if the female main character in what is supposed to be masturbation material for straight women takes more than 50% of the focus on the cover, with her being semi naked and blushing with a submissive and sexually suggestive pose, while the male character is not as naked, blushing or suggestive as her, then yes, it's internalized moidgaze. It doesn't make sense even if you use the cope that you're not self inserting at all and just want to see "two hot people fuck" like a fujo being a non-participating voyeur, you are a straight woman and should naturally not give a fuck about the woman's body and prefer the focus to be entirely on the man's. But women are conditioned to get off to their own objectification, as if a sexy naked woman was a prerequisite for your to get wet, and that shouldn't be the case. If you absolutely need to know that the female character is as attractive as the male to feel like she "deserves" him, then perhaps you just want to have sex in real life with a moid who actually loves you and is worth being attractive for, but these are just smut comics and there shouldn't be a need to make the female character super hot and the visual focus at the same time. Non-Stacies can and should enjoy their smut without having to worry about a fictional moid's standards. I have no problem with the female MC being hot with huge tits if the sex scenes are mostly focused on a hot male being objectified. Sadistic Beauty does it right imo
No. 2301435
>>2301332>honestly I always tend to skip over BL where the uke acts blatantly like a girl or I drop it because otherwise I’d just read Shoujo/Josei.Same. The issue isn't even necessarily just that it feels "too het," it's also that the characters begin to fall into these very flat, bland archetypes and it makes the whole dynamic way too predictable. Even outside of the context of gender coding or whatever, I don't like BL mangas that are overly reliant on tropes or clichés. I want to read stories that will engage and surprise me, you know? And I think other readers feel the same way, which is why semes and ukes are so much less stereotypical than they used to be.
However, the whole debate going on in this thread is over how yaoi is
currently, not how it was fifteen or twenty years ago. And honestly? I don't think female artists should be constrained by how "feminist" their creations are, especially in the context of silly escapism like yaoi. It's honestly ridiculous that women are held to such disproportionately high moral standards even in contexts as intimate as the smutty romance we read for fun. And a lot of the people scrutinizing us based on these unfair standards are other women, who you'd think would fucking know better. We denigrate each other over the most insignificant things while moids are running around fucking microwaved watermelons and buying strangers' used bathwater.
No. 2301556
>>2301533I don't think either is uncommon. Some women get turned on by being sexy, some women don't.
It's like having sex outside, but not as degenerate. Some people find the thought vomit inducing, some find it hot.
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>>2298588>seethe at female characters for getting in the way of their gay ships.Why is it that only fujos get shat on for this, when pretty much every other shipperfag does the exact same thing?
Evageeks is a more-than-decade-old Asushin echo chamber full of 40-year-old weirdos, like Reichu and a Brazilian guy named Felipe, who obsessively edits Eva wikis to erase all mentions of Kaworu because he gets in the way of Asuka/Shinji. They also push the narrative that Kaworu is an evil groomer manipulator.
Chinese Alhaitham yumes mass-reported Alhaitham/Kaveh shipbait to the CCP because they felt Kaveh was stealing Alhaitham from them.
Pretty much every straight shipper, like NaruSaku shippers who hate Hinata.
These are just random examples off the top of my head, but I find it strange that only fujos face so much scrutiny for ridiculous behavior
>>2299302 while other shippers doing the same thing are largely ignored.
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>>2301746>never watched this bullshitthen why are you commenting?
No. 2301935
>>2301272I get wanting to see two guys kiss because the more the better, but Christ.
Do you read any romance at all? How often does the het couple mention wanting children? Yeah. Isn't that just your bias? Do you personally see that romantic het love always involves children? That that's all they want? Also, why does romantic love have to transcend sex?
No. 2301986
>>2301892Even if that were the case, so what? this is an anonymous imageboard, we don't have to praise the allmighty gays here. I don't hate fujos nor fags, you're both just very annoying most of the time.
>>2301915>>2301924Am I wrong, though? the faggot still dies after a single episode kek I don't care about your retarded anime and never will. Your faux deep lolibait will never be of any significance to me, hence why I can comment on it without having watched it.
No. 2302003
>>2301967He tells Shinji he likes/loves him and that he deserves affection and they take a bath together. In other drafts of the episode they kiss. It's even more explicit in the manga. I'm not here to crusade for this pairing but I also don't think it's fair for fujos to be shat on for shipping it. Or for Eva wikis to change the context around Kaworu.
>>2301986>Your faux deep lolibaitstay in your lane and shut up about things you know nothing about
No. 2302004
>>2301931Fujofeces don't work for me because I simply am not interested in watching cock going into an asshole, but at least there's cock. I understand if some insane, degenerate straight women could conceivably be into men fucking other men because it involves genitalia that biologically interests them. But most sane, nonparaphilic people will want to watch the kind of sex they themselves would be able to partake in. This is self-evident.
But lesbians? What does a lesbian get from watching a penis go into - not even a vagina - but
asshole? And a man's asshole at that? Man's dick in a man's anus? What exactly is in it for them?
No. 2302019
>>2302003Cranky because I'm right, arentcha? Go goon to your faux deep lolis in skin tight latex suits
>>2302017Why are millennials so unfunny, did you get this from the reddit reaction gifs?
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>>2302019did you really just call shinji and kaworu lolis??
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>>2302019>>2301986>NGE>faux deep lolibaitPlease stop you're giving me way too much second hand embarrassment
No. 2302030
>>2302022>>2302024No, I'm calling Asuka and the other one lolis. Can
you stop with the cringy millenial reaction pics? You're giving me secondhand embarrassment. Aren't you a bit too old to be into yaoi or discourse anyways?
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>>2302022I think anon is trying to say Eva is lolibait because it has high school girls in it, which makes pretty much all anime AND a lot of Western Media lolibait since all of it is infested by teenage characters
No. 2302042
>>2302030Nah, but you really gotta appreciate fujo logic tho:
>Big booby woman existing: goonerbait >Small booby woman existing: lolibait >Le subversive harem anime known for its iconic tweens in latex: nothing to see here, officerIs this the power of kawoshin brainrot and old lady nostalgia?
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It makes me laugh that literally all female spaces end up devolving into holier than thou moralfagging circles where one woman gets pissed she gets moralfagged so she responds by moralfagging back and it just goes back and forth. The fact we have 4 threads fighting about anime porn instead of doing something productive is pathetic to say the least. Female socialization in a nutshell.
No. 2302070
>>2302016This, don't see what's so mindboggingly hard to understand that you can love a couple and see sex scenes and… not masturbate. You do it all the time with het.
Fo you think everyone who watched Oppenheimer was heterosexual because there's a sex scene so they must have gone off to it?
No. 2302090
>>2302042>Le subversive harem anime known for its iconic tweens in latex: nothing to see here, officer>14 is a crime tooyes please try reporting Evangelion porn to the police i'm sure everyone making Kawoshin or Asuka smut is shaking right now
>>2302066There are men committing violent sex crimes or grooming minors into sending them nudes or some other irredeemable action right now. And then we have anons here pearlclutching over dirty degenerate fujos making cartoon porn.
>>2302070It's strange how people assume yaoi (and yume stuff) is all porn when it's an entire genre mostly around character interactions
No. 2302106
>>2302099Your porn might be nothing but coom, but some yaoi come with a thing called story.
Many get sfw nonsexual adaptions that do pretty well.
No. 2302110
>>2302099I'm not a fujo but when I do read yaoi I usually skip all the sex scenes. I skip smut in books I read too, I just don't enjoy it and it doesn't turn me on in the slightest but it doesn't
trigger me enough to stop reading cute romance stories. I imagine you also don't have to get off to something to admire it's intrinsic appeal. You could theoretically read the porn scenes and not get off to it at all, it could just be a genuine appreciation of fiction, writing/art. Women aren't men so we don't need to coom to everything we see
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Why do twitterfags get upset over irrelevant fan content? The original tweet had over 20k likes before the OP deleted it because retards were leaving hate comments on the fic. I checked the fic writer's account, and she has also written for Furuba, so it’s not like she’s solely fixating on yaoi content. But the average xitterfag sees one tweet without context and then proceeds to have a melty over it.
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>>2302118>about womenthe game has countless male qties so yuritroons are on suicide watch, infinity nikki will never be their cringe yuri porn utopia
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>>2302138Kek. It’s funny how these individuals won’t talk about incels who are mad because Nikki doesn’t have boob jiggle and can’t be upskirted but will instead engage in performative activism over fujo content.
No. 2302181
>>2302150Men can be Star Trek fans or comic book fans or make model trains in their basement as old men, but being a millennial fujoshi is sooooo shameful and embarrassing. The second women get married or turn 25, they should drop all childish hobbies and take up something more socially acceptable. Can't imagine older women engaging with sexual media for fun, yuck! We gotta analyze and come up with every morally
valid justification for why women are allowed to have fun
No. 2302183
>>2302171Genuinely what is wrong with people liking stuff. This is like getting mad at people who like vampires saying
>give me an example of a vampire story so deeply moving and impossible to find anywhere else you just have to put up with light cannibalismMotherfucker, they like the story
and the vampires. It's not that deep. Let people like stuff, Jesus H.
No. 2302188
>>2302171That's because when you're so obviously hostile against it, nobody expects you to actually give the benefit of the doubt and read anything yaoi in good faith.
This is like a moid asking for one book written by a woman that's actually good and not expecting him to laugh at any emotional scene as a "woman moment" and shitting on every single nitpick as "this is why women can't write." You'd be stupid to rec something, and even with that people posted series that would be palatable to antifujos that show off writing styles.
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>>2302237nta but I think Given is pretty good and isn't even porny. The character dynamics are really interesting imo and it touches on tragedy and death of a loved one in an interesting way but I know a lot of anons would disagree with me
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>>2301931I don’t get it myself tbh, I just don’t see why a lesbian would prefer to see two fags kiss let alone fuck. It just sounds like they’re hiding how they find it hot.
No. 2302417
>>2301533The thing is that women have been psyopped to get off to "being sexy" by itself and to not have the same standards for the men that are supposed to be attractive for them as well. This huge focus on "getting the other person off" while forgetting that the other party also has to do the same and that you're supposed to get off to their body is definitely not normal. Which is why smut for women that focuses more on the woman is fucked up and perpetuating the psyop. Besides, you're not the one getting the man off in the story (the protagonist is) so why would you insist on seeing her body so much if you're supposedly a straight woman and not self-inserting?
>>2301686You're right, all shippers have the potential to be deranged and delusional, fujos shouldn't be singled out
No. 2302450
>>2297793Which artist?
>>2297763Otome audios with submissive or loving males also exist you know, and it's a way better medium than manga in terms of the moid being the focus. Which makes sense since the listener is completely unvoiced and the audio consists of the guy's voice only so he is forcefully the one who is sexualized. There's a lot of otome audios that consists of guys moaning.
I'm not a fujo because I'm not a big romance fan so most of the romance I consume is for self-insert purposes, but I can't stand female oriented garbage where the feMC is treated like a hentai character or yaoi uke, and yet still I don't like yaoi that much because I don't want to see two guys fuck unless in very specific scenarios. I don't care if I have to wait 100000 years for something decent to come out, I only read, look at, play and listen to yume and otome media that isn't trash. It exists but it's very scarce, and like I said audios are better and have more variety than manga, games and anime (in order of effort required to make them)
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>>2302463no one tell this tourist that nikki has tons of male outfits in the original game and that there are tons of male characters in all the nikki games
No. 2302475
>>2302457>haram showskekkk
>>2302449Stop your retarded anti-fujo crusade, in such a popular game's fandom there will be one or two people who write fanfic and since fujos are common and yaoi is popular, it's likely that at least one of those fics will be yaoi. You're also pretending that every single fujo that plays the game doesn't care about the female characters at all which is retarded, they're playing the game already, isn't that enough proof that they aren't exclusively interested in gay sex? Also this specific author is also a fan of Fruits Basket apparently
The fujos replying to you about your inability to create your own content are wrong, you don't want more stuff that appeals to you, you just want to infight because you need your daily dose of dopamine, and you don't speak for all of us non-fujos
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>>2302474Probably should have evidence posted too, funny enough looking this up apparently this won "best ship" in a 2022 official ship giveaway thing.
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>>2302477nta but its gross moids and yuritroons are treating nikki like one of their coomer cgdct loli anime. I cant wait until they introduce male nikki clothes so these yurifags shut up. They really know nothing about the franchise and think women are weird incel yurifags like them that feel threatened by cute men. There is a reason why most anime/videogames that have an all female cast and arent meant for little girls are coomer goonfuel.
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>>2302237I know I already posted it, but Canis: Dear Hatter. There's also no anal sex in that title, since you're so hung up on that for whatever reason.
No. 2302520
>>2302475Harem shows
are haram tbh
No. 2302522
>>2302504what do you have against gnc outfits? I love all the boystyle fits and I won't let no troons take that from me.
>>2302517I swear lc is being overrun by tradcaths. Maybe that's why some of them hate yaoi so much. Can't have two men passionately kissing each other without rustling some jims.
No. 2302534
>>2302504The game was fine with a majority female audience for over a decade, sans a few reddit attention whores here and there.
It's only recently that it got this giant slap of new audience.
No. 2302538
>>2302237I like the webcomic Check Please! It's westshit, but it's a cutesy m/m romance written by a woman so it might as well be BL. It has some intelligent commentary on
toxic masculinity in men's sports, but it's still a pretty lighthearted read. The male lead is very feminine, but not to fulfill an "uke" stereotype; rather, it's because he's meant to be a black sheep among all the macho frat guys, which provides a basis for the aformentioned commentary on masculinity. It also has a fun, fleshed-out supporting cast, which is unfortunately kind of rare in both straight and gay romance stories. If you can put up with the somewhat ugly Western art style, I'd recommend it.
No. 2302545
>>2302485I can't wait for the masculine outfits to drop tbh
>>2302538Nta but you got even me interested in it.
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>>2302545I kinda want to go full cultivation mode ngl
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>>2302171There is a dystopian futuristic yaoi full of lame BDSM scenes that I liked, it's called Ai no Kusabi.
I found its world compelling and an interesting dystopian sci-fi but the sex scenes were so fucking cringe kek. I watched it with friends when we got together to watch cringe anime… honestly Ai no Kusabi was on another level compared to everything else, though I wonder if the novels actually stand up as sci-fi stories.
The thing you don't know from the anime is that the highest class of men in this universe, the Blondies, are cyborgs that are made to be beautiful aryan ubermensch through surgeries. So the handsome blonde bishie bastard seme is the fucked up product of high-end techno surgery… I thought that was interesting. There is also a great deal of misogyny in its world so you understand why homosexuality is so widespread in it.
The uke also dies emasculated and it brings him great moid agony and at the end it's left ambiguous if he loved the seme at all (probably not). It was all surprisingly realistically written for genre standards… except the sex scenes which were just cringe.
No. 2303916
>>2303813>hentai doujins…women read hentai doujins?
>>2303577I read some of the ai no kusabi novels they are decent. Of course they do not get close to actual scifi literature for obvious reasons, but it's readable and enjoyable.
No. 2304515
>>2298143so either the same level of shit is okay if its dudes, or youre putting effort into writing not shity male leads instead of female ones. Before the literacy-challenged anons jump me, I'm not expecting content to be made for me, I make my own. "Why do you care" Because youre the fan base equivalent of MCU slop and suck the life out of the room. Nothing was more lame than seeing fujos (often TIFs) crawl out of the woodwork in the BG3 fandom to bitch and complain about Astarion or Raphael having heavy FTav/Canon fanbases, croaking about how they didn't understand why the women want to fuck the angsty fagpire instead of having their boysona do it.
>>2297655No, it isn't, yet multiple times fujos want to act like it's impossible for m/f to be like that. yes, m/m is subpar, just like m/f shit that feeds into the same tired sexist tropes is subpar. they cope that media is filled with het so we should be content with buttfucking in fandom spaces everytime a hot guy comes around as if women ever actually get hot or interesting guys in canon het shit anyways.
No. 2305078
>>2304515Here are your problems: 1) you don't take enough steps to minimize your exposure to Twitterbrained retards, and 2) you care too much about people enjoying something you hate. Look, we all encounter shit we hate in fandoms. I hate A/B/O, I hate "diverse" headcanons that make no sense, I hate certain ships, I hate BDSM, I hate moid coom art, etc. But here's the thing: my interaction with fandoms is solely through my friends and mutuals, so I see very little of the shit I hate, so when I do come across it, it's easy to shrug it off and move on. That's what you need to do. Find yourself some like-minded fans who don't post shit you hate, and center your fandom experience around them instead of wading through random garbage on Twitter. Get used to use the "exclude tags" feature on ao3. It doesn't matter whether you're a yume, a fujo, a hetshipper, or a hime: you will go insane if you don't properly curate your feed, mutuals, and searches. We all have to do it to varying degrees.
No. 2306463
>>2305669Representation has muddied the waters a bit, when canon is meant to be you, or when somebody headcanons a character to be their race, class, sex, personality, etc., then it's no longer really the canon character but an oc delusion that's pushed onto everybody else.
Of course, this is just talking about the extremely twitter cases.
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