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No. 2178436

This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse. Global rules apply: don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.

Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping
> Ao3 Censorship and TOS
> Slapfights between slash, femslash, and het shippers
> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads
> Whitewashed/blackwashed/colorist fanart drama
> ‘[Insert Sexuality/Gender]-Coded’ Characters
> Debates over death of the author
> Stalking/harassment experienced by actors/creators

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>>2154883

No. 2178441

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Only two (or three if you're into elves) of the few guys are actually attractive…

No. 2178442

>>2178428
They look too much like plastic kpop men for me.

No. 2178443

I'm just disappointed because I like edgy humor that isn't mostly debasing and humiliating women 24/7, coomshit but also has women as a focus acting unhinged, bitchy, mean and edgy. Class of 09 was a game that had a lot of that so seeing Flipside disappointed me because some faggots goon-fantasies took up a good chunk of the game and kind of ruined it as a whole for me.

No. 2178444

>>2178441
if its taken from r34 statistics then they are probably meant to be self inserts or for faggots

No. 2178445

>>2178443
It was dogshit to begin with.

No. 2178447

>>2178441
>There are more animals on the chart than men
Is it safe to conclude that zoophilia occurs at higher rates in males compared to homosexuality? Can we genocide them now?

No. 2178448

>>2178444
>to be self inserts
Probably mostly this
>or for faggots
Not much of this, gay guys are more into like bowser and shit.

No. 2178449

>>2178441
do you think feds/interpol consider bronies and sonic fans as a risk factor for investigating kek.

No. 2178452

>>2178449
Looking at 4chan, I feel they should have caught on by now.

No. 2178453

>>2178445
Oh, I won't disagree with that. It's dogshit but I found some enjoyment from it.

No. 2178454

>>2178449
Bronies probably
Sonic fans maybe, it seems like it would be hard for them to actually fuck hedgehogs.

No. 2178455

that deepspace game looks like ai slop it’s so ugly

No. 2178457

>>2178443
liking class of 09 is the definition of thinking people are laughing with you when they are laughing at you. it was always humiliating women and if anything SBN3 upped the anty to turn off the zoomer fans

No. 2178458

>>2178441
>lucario
wtf

No. 2178459

>>2178441
Now I need a chart for the husbandos and waifus of this site.

No. 2178460

>>2178458
Lucario is one of the most furrybait mons out there, kinda tracks he'd be so far up honestly.

No. 2178461

>>2178459
Our user base is small but it could be fun.

No. 2178462

>>2178459
>Leon
>Dazai
>COD dudes
>JJK dudes
>Reviewbrah

No. 2178463

>>2178447
For MLP there's a ton of humanized porn of the characters. Celestia for example I've mostly seen drawn as a large breasted anime woman with colorful hair (me seeing this content because moids spammed it, not of my own will).

No. 2178464

>Self inserters+fujoshis
Aether, Deku, Spiderman, Maybe Naruto but I don't know if Sasunaru is still popular
>furries
Sonic, Tails, Bowser, Nick, Fox, Shadow
>Femboy obsessed 'straight men'
Link

No. 2178465

>>2178462
3DPDnonnas can play on the other playground, not with us.

No. 2178466

>>2178441
is it just me but are furries becoming increasingly common with men? 5 years ago furries were not as common and most people just bullied them but now furries have kinda got accepted or atleast tolerated because i see them everywhere and almost every coomer moid i know is now becoming a furry too.
Save the animals omg.

No. 2178467

>>2178466
Furries draw a lot of porn and most guys looked at it even when they bullied furries over it (ie: lola bunny)
Guys just see boobs and it's enough for them.

No. 2178469

>>2178464
Aether also belongs in the femboy category tbf, his gay ships were only popular at the start of the game when there weren't enough men to go around, no one cares about him anymore besides femboyfags.

No. 2178470

>>2178459
There was a little survey from the horny threads a ~few years ago.

No. 2178472

>>2178469
I only played genshin for like 20 minutes, I just like Zhongli x Aether fanart.

No. 2178476

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>>2178466
lola bunny was already a thing in the 90s and you do not draw big titty sexo faced furry women if you arent at least a bit into it. Also tex avery and tezuka. I think men have always been furfags. I really wish the male mind could be experimented on because how the fuck do you develop a fetish for women turning into cars in the 60s before the internet was even a thing?

No. 2178477

>>2178474
>5 underage boys
Aside from Deku and Aether the guys can be argued to be adults to be fair.

No. 2178479

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>>2178441
alright, so I counted
>31 adult woman
>43 furry/animals
>5 underage boys
>22 underage girls
>1 adult male(spiderman)

No. 2178480

>>2178476
>ordinary people vs creative people

No. 2178482

>>2178441
>half the list consist of Pokemon and animals
Jesus.

No. 2178483

>>2178479
>1 adult male(spiderman)
Kinda depends, sometimes he's as young as 14.
A lot of Naruto r34 depicts him as an adult from what I've seen anyway.

No. 2178484

>>2178477
>>2178479
Naruto is a weird case since his adult form is also somewhat popular with men.

No. 2178485

>>2178464
For Naruto, looking at the proximity in placement to Hinata and Sakura, I think its mostly comprised of self insert porn

No. 2178487

>>2178485
>Guys self insert as the retarded orange suit kid
Christ at least self insert as Sasuke, at least he's a canon chad.

No. 2178490

>>2178484
his adult form is just used as self insert that they use to make him have sex with sakura, boruto and sarada which is disturbing…

No. 2178491

>>2178490
>Boruto x Boruto's dad
I kek'd

No. 2178494

>>2178487
Men only identify themselves with MCs, it's the whole reason they get assmad over MCbowls.

No. 2178495

>>2178441
Aether being on the list but not Lumine, or any other Genshin character is surprising to me. I guess people just make porn of this character specifically?

No. 2178498

>>2178495
It's probably because this list is older and he kinda falls under all three categories
>Fujobait
>Femboy
>Self insert character

No. 2178499

>>2178477
I counted naruto, tails and link as "underage boys" because their most popular depiction is them as as young boys/teenagers

No. 2178502

>>2178495
There are two other genshin characters, Ei and Ganyu. I'm pretty sure he's high up because moids use him as self-insert + femboyfuckers. This list doesn't feel representative of any female taste at all.

No. 2178505

>>2178502
>This list doesn't feel representative of any female taste at all.
R34 is mostly guys so…

No. 2178507

>>2178461
Okay, I'll go ahead and do it.

No. 2178510

>>2178502
I meant any other Genshin male character. From my understanding characters like Kaveh are pretty popular as well so I expected to see at least one other on the list.

No. 2178511

>>2178502
>I'm pretty sure he's high up because moids use him as self-insert + femboyfuckers.
most probably the latter, more and more moids have coombrained themselves into becoming gay paedophiles

No. 2178517

>>2178510
List looks like it's released long before Kaveh was, and you're not to see characters solely popular with fujos on here. Characters like Naruto and Deku who have big fujo popularity aren't showing up here because of them, it's because of moids. There's a reason Sasuke and Bakugo aren't on the chart but the MC characters are.

No. 2178520

>>2178494
Something I will never understand is why they got mad when the mcs of Kaguya-sama had sex.

No. 2178521

Im an adult zoomer and i enjoyed watching gameplays of Class of 09, it was refreshing watching female characters call out men for being pedos and rapists and just being unfiltered and tell people to fuck off without worrying about putting everybodys needs above theirs and not being the perfect kind heroine. I unironically find it more "empowering" than girlboss shit shilled in hollywood, but obviously not ideal as a moid made it and he of course chimped out. Some stuff was cringe but i overall i really enjoyed it. I had searched the author a while back before this last game came out and i was dissapointed and but not surprised that the author was a moid since most game devs are men, but im still curious as to how he came to write this since most moids hate being called out/shamed on their degenracy or simply do not think there is anything wrong with them. I wont be watching this latest game.

No. 2178522

>>2178520
Maybe they thought the blondie was too handsome to self insert as?

No. 2178525

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>>2178522
He seems normal.

No. 2178527

>>2178525
Eh, he's mildly more handsome than your average self insert protagonist.
Even then though I'm not entirely sure why they got mad.

No. 2178532

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>>2178527
>he's mildly more handsome than your average self insert protagonist.
Most aren't usually bad looking, generic at most.

No. 2178533

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>>2178532
Guess it just depends on the genre, most of the ones I see don't have fuckin eyes.
The one in your pic is a QT though, what's he from?

No. 2178535

>>2178533
Fuck, someone needs to make a BL game where hentai protagonists get fucked by Chad.

No. 2178536

do you think gege is a faggot

No. 2178539

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>>2178535
Cross days?

No. 2178541

>>2178466
Honestly imo, not really. I think a shit ton of men have become lolicons though. Despite it once being a gross thing to admit. Nwo I think on some anime boruu Loli is the most popular tag

No. 2178551

>>2178533
>The one in your pic is a QT though, what's he from?
Mushoku Tensei, isekai harem, he's a lolicon, sorry if I got your hopes up.

No. 2178558

>>2178539
makoto is not a chad

No. 2178561

>>2178558
He literally fucked like 10+ girls over the course of like a week, Makoto is 100% a chad.

No. 2178562

>>2178539
That's two hentai protagonists fucking each other, we need CHAD.

No. 2178563

>>2178562
You guys need to be more specific on what exactly a 'chad' is.

No. 2178566

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>>2178551
It’s a shame such a cute character is wasted on such a trash story

No. 2178567

>>2178563
The kind of men incels homoerotically describe in looksmaxxing manifestos, not the fucking school days MC

No. 2178576

>>2178533
oh..no rancefag is back.

No. 2178577

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>>2178551
Fuck, this is why we can't have nice things. I remember being similarly disappointed when playing Tears to Tiara, the protag seemed like a cool demon king guy I could yume but then he went around fucking everything that moves (while his designated virgin waifu wannabe daydreams about him), iirc the worst moment was when he fucked a mother daughter pair but it's been like a decade so my memory is fuzzy.

No. 2178580

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>>2178535
Does this count?

No. 2178583

>>2178580
Whoever you are you have horrendous taste

No. 2178584

>>2178525
>>2178577
>>2178533
kek he is not even hot, he is ugly to averege. Im begging anons to get better taste and self-esteem. This is like the 2D version of ugly male psyop.
Anons will complain if 2d men look too much ''kpop'' but then they will simp over generic looking seinen/shounen men that rape women and children.

No. 2178585

>>2178455
Agreed. I will never understand why so many women gush over these ugly ass moid characters

No. 2178586

>>2178580
>rance yaoi on the frontpage
Not on my 2024 bingo card

No. 2178588

>>2178584
The guy from Mushoku Tensei is more handsome than all the guys in love and deepspace sorry not sorry.

No. 2178591

>>2178584
The first post was saying the character looked normal (not particularly handsome) though…

No. 2178592

>>2178588
rance someone needs to post your face here again since you feel to brave coming here again.

No. 2178594

>>2178592
I'm not Rancefag.

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No. 2178599

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>The guy from Mushoku Tensei is more handsome than all the guys in love and deepspace sorry not sorry.

meanwhile this is the guy

No. 2178604

>>2178584
In Shirogane's defense, he's sweet and drinks the respect woman juice, that immediately makes him hot in my eyes. Also TIL that love and war moid fans hate him and Kaguya having sex, it's so funny to me because it was a super rare caee in a shounen manga where the sex didn't seem forced to me, very sweet and consensual. I wonder that's why rapeapes hate it, when a man acts decent in media, it raises women's standards and damages the "men are just like this, accept it foids" psyop.

No. 2178605

>>2178599
Nta but isn't using traced fanart a bit deceiving?

No. 2178607

every time the "sexualized female lead in female-centered" series complaint crops up i always question why farmers don't get most women want to be attractive to guys, even if those guys are fantasy anime characters. i'm not saying it's good and i'm not saying it's right that even in a woman's fantasy she NEEDS to be a sexed up bimbo worth looking at, but that's just how it is

No. 2178608

>>2178607
And that's completely retarded behavior, we're allowed to call it out

No. 2178615

>>2178607
This shit pisses me off so bad. I never ever felt the need to be attractive in my fantasies until other women talked about it and then it subconsciously picked up on me (which is my fault tbh) and now I'm trying to unlearn it.

No. 2178619

>>2178607
The issue is that the standard of "sexed up bimbo" is super extreme in many farmers' eyes, she's called a big titty whore unless she is wearing sweatpants or something.
That being said, personally I do not like the short pants in that picture posted previously (the one reeing about men in burqas) and find it too exposing, but it's not a LnD specific thing (and the LnD vids I've run into twitter have shown me that mc wears longer skirts majority of the time?). There is an annoying trend in many media that female version of outfits == short pants/skirt. We need to call out this trend as a whole

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No. 2178622

>>2178615
It's so unbelievably fucked, entirely meant to serve men and not the women actually having the fantasy. Imagine how cucked and low self esteem someone has to be to think they aren't hot enough for a drawing, this is why the only based yumes are the ones who do faceless shit. Good job not caring wtf you look like and dedicating your energy to sexualizing moids instead of crying about your elbow angle.

No. 2178624

>>2178607
genuinely the only good thing about twilight was that the mc was plain as fuck

No. 2178627

>>2178624
I remember there was a great deal describing what she'd wear.

No. 2178633

>>2178608
i mean yes but the shock and awe and insistence that we are "doomed as sex" because of it is always extra. women can't really help that they've been groomed into certain behaviors and opinions from the womb, being pretty (for a guy) is simply one of them. shouldn't it be obvious at this point

No. 2178636

>>2178607
i feel like there is a HUGE difference between someone wanting to look good and someone who will only accept a female lead if she has a 1 centimeter waist with basketball sized boobs, child face and anorexic looking hotdog arms and legs.
There is a huge problem where people (im guessing you too) rage if a female lead dares to have short hair, dares to have small boobs, dares to NOT wear lingerie while shopping at the supermarket. Like cmon i want to look good for my hubby too but the current weeb fandom standards for how a woman should look are literally a weird mix between blowup doll milf fetish and loli girls……

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>>2178607
I don't mind an attractive female MC, but attractive doesn't mean boobs and ass spilling out and hyper sexualized. Just look at stuff like most shoujo manga where the relatable female lead is obviously supposed to be cute and pretty, but overall looks like a normal human being and not a sex object.

No. 2178649

>>2178641
This! my favourite shoujo has a super cute stylish mc. But there is a difference between cute girly stylish mc and that manga about the mermaid with massive tits

No. 2178655

>>2178636
>There is a huge problem where people (im guessing you too)
nah i don't care honestly, i'll argue about it on lc for fun when i am bored but i'm not breathing down the neck of any woman in the wild who wants to have her 5'0" chipmunk with tits mc. i also think it's less an issue of how sexed up women are and how un-sexed men tend to be, like i'd have 0 problem with male coomshit if women got equal amounts of coomshit. as it is, it just isn't fair. but i guess this is more moving into ugly male psyop territory and i'll never enter that thread so

No. 2178656

>>2178641
I think this cute and pretty aesthetic is the popular one among most normal non-brainrotted women, anons complaining about women preferring "a weird mix between blowup doll milf fetish and loli girls" confuse me because I see very few women doing it (moids do though, definitely), I think it's more prevalent in certain circles like Twitter coomer artists like sakimichan or Japanese smut webtoons on Renta etc

No. 2178657

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>>2178656
wanting to be "cute and pretty" is still needing to look good and fit into a generic "woman" mold though. male mcs (generally) look plain and boring because the ultimate male fantasy is being loved by a hot girl period – women need to be attractive on top of that. that's why a lot of fem protags are indistinguishable from female love interests in male-centered media, even if they are plain janes. men set the standards for what cute and pretty are, women just lean into it

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>>2178567
>The kind of men incels homoerotically describe in looksmaxxing manifestos
Matsuda?

No. 2178660

>>2178641
The question isnt "what level of attractiveness is ok?", it's "why does the thought of how attractive you are in your own fantasies even cross your mind?". What bearing should the attractiveness of the female self-insert have on the satisfaction of the female reader?

No. 2178662

>>2178656
there's definetly been a shift into making fmcs more pornified, mostly thanks to manwha and the insane beauty standards of korea

No. 2178664

Do anons here just only read het stuff to self insert?

No. 2178667

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>>2178656
ummm anon have you ever looked at het smut content made for women because if you have you will understand what i mean….

No. 2178669

>>2178664
all het stuff is for self insertion those overdesigned female mcs still have the carboard personality of the male mcs from eroges/galges

No. 2178670

>>2178664
That's what it's made for. You think bodice rippers were written with character development and rich dynamics in mind?

No. 2178672

>>2178664
No, but people on this thread only think in terms of yumejos and fujos, and there is no other category

No. 2178674

>>2178662
>thanks to manwha and the insane beauty standards of korea

I agree with this, have you looked at the so called ''josei smut'' manhwa ''Beethoven syndrome'' the art and plot in that story is so male gaze that at first i thought it was made for male coomers. Even content made for women many times is just fapping material for men and that kinda makes me sad ngl it's hard finding good josei smut content.

No. 2178678

>>2178667
it’s dumb because what woman genuinely gets pleasure from having her tits fondled like this? they are not sexual organs

No. 2178681

>>2178667
this looks so insanely retarded. How do women end up drawing this shit? reminds me of when i found out the author of kodomo no ajikan was a woman

No. 2178683

>>2178664
Doesn't really matter if they're not meant to be you, recommending something where the female characters are sexualized (but good characters!) will get the same reaction unless it's Bayonetta.

No. 2178695

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>>2178681
Even crazier to me is that she drew BL

No. 2178696

>>2178695
at this point i just belive shes grifting, first lolifags now fujos

No. 2178697

>>2178696
That's a lot of Japanese artists, it's just usually fujo and otome overlap but otome/fujo and loli overlap isn't really unheard of either.

No. 2178698

>>2178683
And why should we be lenient anyway? We're subjected to female sexualization and dehumanization every day of our lives and the correct response is to just accept it? No, I will not be interacting with or giving leeway to anything that sexualizes women, I'm sick and tired. If you want to turn a blind eye go ahead but don't pretend like you don't understand exactly why anons here are so averse to it, we all grew up in the same oversexed misogynistic world.

No. 2178699

>>2178536
>writes out all women except for one
>he made that one look like the spitting image of his husbando
>character is also constantly compared to that male character
>his favorite characters are relatively ripped
lets outline more facts about random jjk women
>exceptional healer that jujutsu society wants to protect, never see her heal, also a rude smoker
>one girl’s whole personality is being useless and simping, became irrelevant and written out
>loud obnoxious girl who was pretty competent gets written out to come back very last second
yeah i’d say so
t. jjkfag

No. 2178700

>>2178698
"you know what? fuck this. fuck YOU" energy

No. 2178702

>>2178698
okay.
I don't get why Bayonetta is the exception though.

No. 2178704

>>2178678
Most of the authors are virgins whose only "experience" with sex is getting traumatized by watching hentai manga.

They don't know how their own bodies work and just copy what they see in moidslop.

No. 2178705

>>2178698
Why do nonnas wonder why most only discuss male characters here?

No. 2178707

>>2178699
Agreed, Gege has Kishimoto levels of not giving a fuck about women, with a bonus obsession with good looking men. Gege likes dudes so much that it ends up being fanservice for straight women.

No. 2178714

>>2178705
its because we are mostly straight

No. 2178725

>>2178695
well bl is already just japanese het, so not really surprising(fujo derail)

No. 2178730

>>2178725
But futas don't have balls.

No. 2178747

>>2178664
No. I don't even get what 'self-insert' is supposed to mean outside of blatant Y/N material. Is relating or occasionally identifying with a shojo heroine self-insert? Even if you think of her as separate?
>>2178607
Right? It's not necessarily about matching certain standards, it's that many women like the back and forth of wanting a love interest and being wanted, shojo vs. shonen romance is a very good example of this. It's not about 'crying about your elbow angle' (???). Those same women may also enjoy faceless/voyeuristic genres like BL. I don't get what hating a normal part of female sexuality is supposed to achieve.

No. 2178752

>>2178747
Have you even seen the state of male romance. They are not the chasers in their fantasies. Their fantasy is to have 10s delivered into their laps without having to lift a finger or do anything to change themselves.

No. 2178756

>>2178752
I would say rather than them not improving at all, it's more that the female lead is what gets them to improve.
The female character also being a "mother" is probably worse, though.

No. 2178760

>>2178747
>Those same women may also enjoy faceless/voyeuristic genres like BL. I don't get what hating a normal part of female sexuality is supposed to achieve.

it's crazy how you can say this but not realise the implications of what you just said. The only time they can feel like they can actually explore their sexuality without being sexualised is when they pretend to be a man and yet you see nothing wrong with that and call that a normal part of ''female biology'' which is just untrue, this is a socialization upbringing issue, not biology. ''Nature'' has been used as a excuse for men to do horrible things to women for centuries. Most of those ''it's natural'' claims have been debunked as false too.

No. 2178761

>>2178752
applies to the vast majority of japanese content

No. 2178762

>>2178747
It is not healthy female sexuality. 99% of women feeling as if they're unworthy of love because they aren't a man's wet dream is in fact extremely concerning and needs to be changed.

No. 2178763

>>2178760
>faceless/voyeuristic
>they pretend to be a man
Ntayrt but you do know those qrw two seperate concepts, right?

No. 2178764

>>2178761
i wonder what is wrong with Japanese media and men. In a way Japan reminds me if someone turned India into a civilised country and removed all the bad things about it but they forgot to remove the misogyny and rape part.

No. 2178765

>>2178761
It's the case outside of Japan too. Where do you think the manic pixie dream girl trope originated?

No. 2178766

>>2178667
tbh I don't mind this cause I'm also a titty monster with sensitive nipples.
who will never get them fondled in real life…

No. 2178767

>>2178763
quote:
>faceless/voyeuristic genres like BL. - cited by 2178760 year 2024

No. 2178768

>>2178762
It's not that one wants to be a man's wet dream, but rather a desire to be attractive, up until a few years ago, even the male power fantasy was to be an attractive young male rather than a gross fat bastard

No. 2178770

>>2178768
>up until a few years ago, even the male power fantasy was to be an attractive young male rather than a gross fat bastard

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No. 2178771

>>2178747
People here talk about self-insertion to refer to any kind of female protagonist made to be relatable to the reader, as if that's not the case of most media. "Relatable everyman" describes too many characters to count, especially in male media.

No. 2178772

>>2178760
nta but the point is most BL characters behave just like the most toxic heterosexual archetypes, and people genuinely try to pretending it's "boys love", and It seems a bit silly to avoid a straightforward heterosexual romance in favor of this elaborate pretending(fujo infight bait)

No. 2178773

>>2178768
>>2178770
This same thread…
>>2178532

No. 2178774

>>2178772
Ffs nobody has been taking your bait, go back to your thread.

No. 2178775

>>2178768
The only men who get neurosis over their physical attractiveness to women are actual hideous monsters who deserve it. The bar for men's "attractiveness" is "don't be a hideous monster". Any man above that bar does not give a fuck about his appearance. Meanwhile even 10/10 Stacies obsess over minute imperfections and have self image as bad as the ogre men. "Attractive" has always had two different definitions depending on sex.

No. 2178778

>>2178768
As someone who reads slop, naroukei and harem and romcom, male mcs are basically similiar to the "shoujo mc cute" ideal.
They are usually described as either handsome, the "takes off glasses and is handsome" type, or at least generic and could be handsome if he took better care.
There's not many that are described as straight out ugly and stay straight out ugly.

No. 2178779

>>2178773
that guy isnt attractive though, he's super generic.

No. 2178783

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>>2178770
my dad used to watch a lot of action movies and I remember that the male leads were never blading, flabby or weak, the male fantasy was included being their idea handsome but still handsome nonetheless, nowadays as men become fatter and more uglier, they seem to abandon traditional fantasies, opting instead self-inserting as the the ugly monsters and rapist, who indulge in degeneracy

No. 2178785

>>2178772
idgaf about your derailing or you wanting to have your fujo vs anti-fujo infighting in this thread. We are having a discussion about something else and that's the sexualization of women in all media and that includes even media for women. Either stay on topic with this thread or go back to your containment thread.

>>2178775
very true sadly.

No. 2178787

>>2178783
no woman find this ''handsome'' this is the male definition of handsome, which is homosexual Its not comparable to female self inserts because they are actually attractive to the male gaze.

No. 2178788

ITT: nonnas learn everything is sex appeal based and the whole world revolves around sex

No. 2178790

>>2178779
Doesn't really matter if you don't like the design, I'm going by how its written.
As a male power fantasy, it still goes into describing that he is handsome and pretty and has big muscles and cooks food better than women.

No. 2178792

>>2178664
No. I just like seeing pretty pictures.
>>2178747
I don't think you'll get your point across when many you're replying to have already made assumptions about you and think you are suggesting that ITS TOTS FINE FOR WOMEN TO SLUT THEMSELVES OUT TRYING TO GET MEN rather than the milktoast opinion of "it's normal to want to be desirable to your partner".
Personally, I used to read a lot of shoujo or josei (sfw and nsfw) when younger, the average quality seemed better (Renta has oversaturated the genre with low quality stuff now) back then. There was issues with sexualization of the mcs back then too, but the "all hetshit is trash" screeching by some farmers show that they 1. Ragebait themselves by intentionally going into websites dedicated to coom 2. Ignore everything about stories to rationalize their opinion, even the most respectful vanilla marriage consummation gets an mc called a whore if the panel shows her naked body at any point. You cannot communicate with people who are not interested in listening.

No. 2178793

>>2178788
if thats true then why arent men dressing and acting like kpop whores for me?

No. 2178795

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>>2178783
i agree that it was better back then but the men in your picture are either bland self-inserts (like jackie) or they are rough faced steroid monsters.

>>2178788
funny how that ''sex appeal'' is something only women are judged on…..

No. 2178796

>>2178790
yes and ugly characters in anime like tomoko are described as so despite looking the same as every other animu moeblob, it means nothing

No. 2178800

>>2178760
>explore their sexuality without being sexualised
What? Did you miss the part about 'not matching certain standards'? There are heaps of Y/N fics out there where the self insert is a carbon copy of the author and her ''flaws''. I'm not saying it's biological or 'natural', it's that it's so common you can confidently call it normal. Why are you so worked up over female sexuality being different from male sexuality? Of course it is
>they pretend to be a man
Did you miss 'voyeuristic'? I'm saying that this tendency of wanting to be desired can exist alongside fantasies that don't involve a woman being perceived
>>2178752
Correct. There is still a noticeable difference in that male MCs just get to enjoy the cute women, without all the dramatic/emotional weight put on the woman liking them back. Overall they care less about the female characters' perspective. I could be wrong though because i haven't read shonen romance/smut in a long time
>>2178792
Thanks kek i really thought it was clear that i'm commenting on a female tendency, not saying it's natural and good for women to self-insert as bimbos straight out of porn or something
>Ignore everything about stories to rationalize their opinion, even the most respectful vanilla marriage consummation gets an mc called a whore if the panel shows her naked body at any point
It's so strange

No. 2178801

>>2178796
It does if you're saying "male power fantasies do not care about the mc being handsome" when that there is a male power fantasy that had a good amount describing the mc as handsome deapite the only people reading it being moids.

No. 2178802

>>2178792
This isn't about "being desirable to your partner" it's about why women feel the need to perform even in their own fantasies where no one is looking, especially not men. Genuinely, what does your attractiveness have to do with you finding someone else hot? Why do women prevent themselves from experiencing the latter part without it being predicated on their personal attractiveness. Why do you people insist on pretending this is healthy?

No. 2178803

>>2178795
eh, jackie chan was considered handsome by my mother's generation

No. 2178806

Being completely honest, I mean no offense but I just wish husbandofags would talk about their husbandos more than the lingerie they'd buy for them and how their vaginas get wet

No. 2178807

>>2178806
This is the exact reason I can't participate in husbando spaces.

No. 2178808

>>2178806
Bleak, but at this point I'd take that over the I WANT TO GET HIM PREGNANT and I WANT TO SPLIT HIM OPEN WITH MY COCK bullshit the TIFs in my fandom sprout

No. 2178811

>>2178695
I've seen a handful of female artist in recent years draw exclusively yaoi while liking hardcore Loli shit on places like Twitter

No. 2178816

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>>2178441
I'm surprised at how high up there Lara Croft is, I didn't think she was still so popular. She's very normie taste which I guess isn't so bad compared to the rest of the list, she's a pretty cool character.

I truly do not understand Pikachu being there, at least the other furry characters give off an impression of being female or have gijinka forms. Tracer being so low is also kinda weird. The only other real surprise is the delta between Starfire and Raven, guess Raven really is much more popular.

No. 2178817

>>2178806
We need to go back to the olden days where we would tear each other apart over husbandos. Back off bitch Sasuke’s mine.

No. 2178818

>>2178816
Some guys pick their waifu at age 10 and literally never change it ever, it's the reason why Tifa is in the top spot.
>I truly do not understand Pikachu being there
Mascot of a series already known for furry porn
>guess Raven really is much more popular
She's goth.

No. 2178820

>>2178817
That's still a thing in a less head on way, people in the tumblr/twitter 'selfshipping' community just demand that you don't interact with them and block on mass.
Goddamn though can you imagine if people were still fighting over Sephiroth in 2024?

No. 2178822

>>2178818
Do you think the Larafags might be guys in their 40s/50s? She's a character from the 90s afterall, probably a lot of teenage boys and adult men checked out her games because of the promotional illustrations and comics.

Also I guess I can't say you're wrong, I'm still like Leon even after all these years. Those early years are so impressionable.

No. 2178824

>>2178822
>Do you think the Larafags might be guys in their 40s/50s?
It's probable

No. 2178828

>>2178820
>can you imagine if people were still fighting over Sephiroth in 2024?
Whose gonna tell her.

No. 2178829

>>2178783
i like action movie heroes, more so from older films. they're not exactly deep characters but they're cool, tough and embody basic values that i can get behind. they're always so emotionally constipated (just like me), i wish we got more female examples.

No. 2178830

>>2178818
WAIFU FOR LAIFU kek

No. 2178833

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>>2178412
I love Bayonetta myself but if you can't deal with the cheesecake don't bother with the games. The games are super campy and while some people may find that makes the sexualization tolerable other people will find it all the more cringe. There's a narrative there but it's a mess so if you can't enjoy Bayonetta from a surface level impression you will never enjoy the games. Personally I love the Bayonetta games and love Bayonetta herself but it's a hard sell.

The fandom is pretty cringe too. I think the chapter has closed on the character though.

No. 2178841

>>2178536
Either a faggot or a woman (fujo or not).

No. 2178845

>>2178246
interesting but sad observation, wonder how zoomer nonas feel about it

No. 2178846

>>2178659
Nayrt but if nonnies want to see a male MC get fucked by chad, that's literally Matsuda and it's amazing.

No. 2178852

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>>2178846
I like Matsuda as much as any other fan of the game but don't false advertise. Matsuda is only chad if your definition of of chad only depends on moids beating each other up. He's more of a "people pleaser overworked salaryman who consensually gaslit a closet gay ikemen mc into thinking butt stuff is totally common but went into unfair rapeape rampage on the poor mc because of his issues with other ungrateful retards blaming him for shit. Also if you played the fandisc, you would know that he gets nightmares about accidentally murdering one of those retards and the mc he raped now has to comfort him through it, and breaks down in tears to find out the truth that someone else was actually the murderer. That's pathetic in an endearing way. His behavior is fun to psychoanalyze but nothing is cool about it.

No. 2178873

>>2178664
i like seeing a man and a woman together specifically but i can't "relate" to either of them. i don't seem to remember which anon said this in which thread but they're 2 people who's intimacy has nothing to do with me. i guess it makes me not give a shit if the woman is sexualized or not but i definitely want the guy to be hot, but sometimes i like looking at the both of them. i can't self insert at all for some reason. i guess my drive is not to be desirable but to sit in the voyeur/cuck chair for eternity while 10s fuck 10s? i genuinely do not like relatability but that could be a side effect of the female characters often being garbage so maybe my brain checked out at one point and just puts me in spectator mode whenever i read. self insert protags are useless to me

No. 2178885

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>Female characters fujos actually like
Starting with an obvious one

No. 2178886

>>2178845
I'm an early zoomer, it feels like culture (art, music, etc) is slowly dying. Zoomers were born in the dawn of a decades-long recession and we don't really know what it's like to experience a dynamic culture as adults. Trends have always cycled but now it's so fast that i'm seeing things that were trendy when i was a kid being treated like they're oh so vintage and super fresh. It's depressing and i've stopped engaging with nostalgia to an extent because i feel it's a big part of the problem. Weebshit and 2010s fandom seemed less affected (eg. Homestuck was very exciting art-wise even if you weren't into the original work) but it's undeniable that anime is going through the same slow de-generation, it's woobified beyond recognition, slop gets churned with little artistic or thematic evolution. Maybe that's why zoomers gravitate towards chinese weeb-adjacent things like danmei and gacha, since China is the total opposite, their economy and culture are undergoing massive and rapid transformations. I'm not too into it for now but i hope something catches my eye soon, i can't stand how self-referential so much of western 'media' is now

No. 2178901

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>>2178607
All of these "but I WANT to be a sexy big titty bimbo because I want men to like me!!!" people always, always fail to realize that the issue is the lack of selection for women who want more diversity in female characters. The only options have always been made palatable to men in some way and whenever they're made even remotely not traditional the internet goes up in flames screeching about a female character being some tranny agenda because she's not wearing a full face makeup and thus "looks like a man". For example I want a muscular, competent female power fantasy because I want to be fit and strong but the only options I'm given are obviously made for a male fetish often in a very cartoonish way.

In simpler words, male characters always get away with being made only appealing to men only while female characters ALWAYS have to be appealing to men as well. We never get female characters that are made for women to be enjoyed as they are, and I'm not talking about "for women" as in, "to be enjoyed by women looking at them through male lens". Picrel.

No. 2178904

>>2178901
reminds me of when scrotes threw a hissy fit because in the hype realistic game horizon zero aloy is modeled to look realistic instead of hyper feminine and doll faced. I remember scrotes praising the same faced moeblob model from the genshit collab as being ''better''.

No. 2178911

>>2178873
>i guess my drive is not to be desirable but to sit in the voyeur/cuck chair for eternity while 10s fuck 10s?
so you have a cuck fetish?

No. 2178916

>>2178816
I'm guessing it's because there's easy to find 3D models you can just spend 5 mins posing instead of having to have an actual drawing talent. Same with the Overwatch and FF characters

No. 2178918


No. 2178919

>>2178873
>i can't self insert at all for some reason. i guess my drive is not to be desirable but to sit in the voyeur/cuck chair for eternity while 10s fuck 10s?
I swear the coomer brainrot on Lolcow is unreal and enraging. Was it the vtubers offering their girlfriend/boyfriend experiences that caused people here to simply become unable to just read an interesting story about two people and their relationship without making it into either a "cuck fetish" or "self-insertion fetish"? People need to go outside way more around here and re-learn how to enjoy media without thinking about gooning. Fuck.

No. 2178921

>>2178919
Exactly! I wish there was a stronger anti-porn hold around here sometimes. Way too many of the nonas here are porn-sick.

No. 2178923

>>2178921
Fuck off Paki-chan. It has nothing to do with your obsession with "pornsickness" but people thinking they need to be the main character and involved in every story ever written or they won't read it.

No. 2178924

>>2178919
Not who you're replying to, but isn't that the main issue - that fandom has been reduced to nothing but shipping and/or gooning? You could argue that it's always been porn focused, but I do honestly think that it has gotten much, much worse in the past five or so years. Now people are dropping their sexual fantasies of fucking/getting fucked by an imaginary character in any kind of fandom discussion as if it's the most normal thing to do to share these things with randos who might not want to know about what you're flicking your bean to. The cancer has taken over fandom and if you say you care about other things than smut you're immedately labelled a prude, TERF or whatever.

No. 2178930

>>2178904
The hullaballoo is stupid but I do think her design in the second game is a bit messed up. Her hairline in the second game looks so fucking weird, once you see it you can't unsee it. Her eyes have also been modeled to resemble the likeness actress, problem being that the actress has aged in all the years since the first game was made while Alloy has aged less than a year in the story so her eyes shouldn't be so hooded yet.

Is the game any good otherwise?

No. 2178931

>>2178924
Normies got too involved in fandom and brought in their porn and cooming brainworms because that's honestly what they do. Look at any regular reality show airing, it's all about sex and mindless garbage without much purpose because producers know it's what the masses want. Movies get random sex scenes pushed in because an average viewer can't sit down for 2 hours without being entertained by sex, they've been conditioned into it over years of exposure. At least the hypersexual nerds of yesteryear kept their nsfw stuff in spaces dedicated to it but now you can't pass a regular sfw fanart piece without someone screaming sexual profanities in the comments if the source is popular and widely known enough.

No. 2178932

>>2178919
This, it's completely bizarre to think that watching a romance is "cucking" you in any sort of way. You are not involved, you don't exist. You are not "in a relationship" with a fictional character and that character is not in a relationship with you.
You are not and cannot be cucked by fictional characters, they aren't real.

No. 2178933

>>2178886
I had thought that maybe zoomers who had not grown in any other environment wouldn't have been able to perceive the change. I agree with what you say difference being I did get to experience what felt like a living culture. I don't know how you fix this.

No. 2178935

>>2178924
It is so aggravating when younger zoomers or alphoids push back and insist that fandom has always been this way. I was there! No that isn't true! Fandom was not all about shipping and cooming before! I miss how balanced things used to feel.

No. 2178941

>>2178935
>Fandom was not all about shipping and cooming before!
it was a big part of fandom, dont lie. Shipping wars have been a thing since forever. Women were cooming to star trek yaoi back in the 80s

No. 2178944

>>2178935
Exactly, nonna. I remember the days where LJ was the place to be. Does it mean there wasn't lots of trash in fandom spaces? Does it mean we didn't have inane shipping wars? No, we had these things, but it wasn't all just all just about fucking. It's like >>2178931 said. Normies invaded and most of Gen Z and Alpha learned everything they knew about sex from porn and pornified fanfic. I can't count the number of fics where the smut reads like straight from some hardcorn prono.
What's worse is that the majority of fandom now thinks YOU are weird if you want to discuss and read about characters other than who and how they're fucking. It's just so tiring. Reading/writing smut doesn't require you to know anything about the fandom in question. In many cases, you could safely change the name of the characters without anyone noticing.

No. 2178948

>>2178919
NTA but am I the only one who read that differently? it's not a fetish to her, but she's using retarded terms to describe what she does.
>>2178664
No, they're just stories I read or watch to entertain myself.

No. 2178951

>>2178935
>>2178944
Shipping has always been a big part of the fandom experience and I was definitely one of the teenage fujos in 2003 screaming about them with my friends but usually people had one or two OTPs they were obsessing over in the fandom but kept brain space for other things. Now we have the influx of fans who need to ship every single character with someone, even friendships are called "platonic asexual ships". Everything else in the source gets ignored and they don't want to talk about things that exist in the lore because a lot of them don't even consume the original source. They don't even give a shit about the canon, they ship based on aesthetics and vibes instead of actual character interaction. Crack ships existed since forever, yeah, but they were a niche, not the norm. We still have the old-fashioned fans who dissect and pick apart each interaction and write essays about how meaningful their ships are but they're definitely being drowned out by the noise. It's a direct consequence of normies being introduced to fandoms and there's no denying it. I'm a coomer for sure for being a NSFW artist for one thing, but even I've had enough of this mindset dominating the mainstream narrative.

>>2178948
>it's not a fetish to her, but she's using retarded terms to describe what she does.
That's the issue. Everything has to be explained using fetish lingo because the consumption of media revolves around sex now.

No. 2178952

>>2178951
The "who cares, anime/books/cartoons are stupid I'm just in it for sexy stuff" mindset is basically everywhere.
It's considered uncool and stupid to think that something like anime has more to it than sex.

No. 2178954

>>2178951
Absolutely, there's zero effort put into the one thing these people care about - shipping - either. Whether it's crackships or those relationships that could make sense in canon, so many people just dgaf and write some kind of OOC slop to get off. Even taking two random characters and finding a way to make a potential relationship work can be rewarding if you actually engage with their lore. But nope, mindless and violent porn it is instead. Zero effort.

No. 2178955

>>2178941
Never said it didn't exist before, just that it wasn't the end all be all of fandoms the way they are now.

>>2178944
>>2178951
I guess there's no going back, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to change fandom behavior. At least I'm too stupid to think of a way to nudge behaviors in a different direction. The only thing that seems to help is to just abandon a trash fandom for a better one. Ones with older people seem to be a bit better because I think they still retain old norms. I do think aesthetics makes a difference in the type of fans it attracts and fandoms based on source material with more grounded aesthetics seems to be a bit better too.

No. 2178956

>>2178948
kek yeah i described it using retarded words so i'm not offended anons took it sideways. >>2178951 is right though, it's so hard to convey what i was thinking of through text but i feel like people understand things so much better now if it's in porn terms. the word "cuck" specifically seems to be tightly woven into the collective consciousness of the internet

No. 2178957

>>2178955
>there doesn't seem to be an easy way to change fandom behavior.
The only option would be to gatekeep fandoms harder and require people to engage with the original source at least in some way. Nerds were too nice and bent a knee on this issue to make things "accessible" when 20 years ago you would've been laughed out of the entire space and called a poser if you were there just for "the aesthetics and vibes" and not out of genuine enjoyment of the source material.

No. 2178958

theres so much milk regarding SBN3, im surprised hes not being talked about on here

No. 2178962

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>>2178919
>>2178924
>>2178932
>>2178951
I don't have anything to add, I'm just happy to see smart nonnies with a grip on reality. Love you all ♥

No. 2178964

>>2178916
this makes sense though that does imply they are cooming to the inferior nu-Lara as opposed to the based OG Lara

No. 2178970

>>2178441
This list is proof that there are far too many retards out in the world living amongst us. Honestly very uncomfortable realizing that.

No. 2178973

>>2178916
Yeah, this. I started to learn how to draw last year or so and in the meanwhile I downloaded Blender and posed the characters to get my ideas out there. Making good renders actually takes time and effort, but unlike art the wrost output you can make is just "decent" rather than terrible.

No. 2178980

>>2178957
OK so I've been thinking about it and these are some of things that caused the change in fandom

>fandoms used to be text based because the internet was more text based in general

Meaning this filtered out the lowest common denominators who couldn't be arsed to read. There were obviously still images and videos being uploaded it was just less for various reasons. Consequently this led to:
>less fanart
Cheap tablets, phones and drawing software meant there was less fanart. Lots of fanart was still made traditionally which entailed a deeper level of appreciation for the source material. Patreon also changed things a lot where now people were making fanart (especially coomshit) to make money where before it was just because they liked the source material. Fanart was lower quality on average lol so you win some lose some. This meant fewer people were being attracted into a fandom based on fanart, they had to get into based on engaging directly with the source material or reading (reading filters people)
>internet was mostly laptops and desktops
I don't want to be rude but I do think tech being less accessible (often for cost reasons) meant it filtered out a lot of kids because parents weren't able to give them cheap phones to spend time online with. Kids were still online but they spent less time because they didn't have pocket devices.
>internet communities were often smaller and locally organized
As in you had an adult that ran the forum and paid for the servers or whatever so there was a greater interest in policing behavior.
>kids hid their power levels
No one wanted to be known as a minor and act as a minor that was embarrassing.
>twitch streaming and YT Lets Plays
This kinda ruined video game fandoms specifically tbh when they used to be more chill, games are higher effort than comics or movies/shows so if you were in a fandom you genuinely liked the game and put in the effort to beat it. Being able to watch it meant game fandoms lost a major filter

No. 2178988

>>2178980
Relatedly this means fandoms that are more likely to be low quality are more likely to center on source material that:
>has distinct, colorful designs
that lend themselves well to fanart and cosplay. Source material with grounded aesthetics seems to not have it so bad. And if the source material has really complex designs or high quality artwork that also seems to discourage fanart.
>large casts of (preferentially young, attractive and single) characters
character gacha has a better chance of nabbing people who will glom onto a single character and if there's enough of them that enables shipping more easily. You dont need a big cast but it definitely helps. I've noticed that media where there's a lot of focus on established relationships often doesn't have as much shipping fandom, though that's no guarantee
>easy consumption
I'm less confident on this one but at least in the past it seemed to hold true, tv fandom felt distinct from fandom for books or games
>ongoing with frequent releases
Books, games and movies are infrequent releases and it might be years before you get a continuation and I think that affects how people behave in the fandom compared to something with more frequent releases. Lots of the more ill behaved people want to be in fandoms where something is always happening and lack the patience to enjoy themselves with something long term when the next time they get more canon content might be years away. On the other hand maybe you have to be really mentally ill to stick around long term kek

The most obvious sign that something will attract low quality fans is how exaggerated the body language and facial expressions of the characters are because that attracts poorly socialized people and people with autism. This is why they like anime.

those are all my thoughts

No. 2179024

>>2178980
>>2178988
I agree with all your points, but I would add that I think the general "sex positivity" including "every kink is valid" mentality that spread online is also why fandoms became the cesspits that they are now. I'm not discounting that smut was always a thing as were gross fetishes and fantasies. However, nowadays you have to be accepting of everything, no matter how violent and degenerate. Of course this opinion spread into fandom too and the more people shared gross art/fics, the more normalised did it become. The same young people who think choking is a normal part of a loving relationship now write that kind of stuff for their ships, while anything vanilla is frowned upon. During my brief and very regrettable stint in an rp I came across several people agreeing that writing romantic smut focussing on emotions is gross and makes them uncomfortable.
In this way fandom is just a reflection of reality. Porn has fried too many people's minds and they no longer know what having an actual emotional connection to another human being is.

No. 2179026

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>>2178980
NTA, but 10/10 essay.
Part of me wants games and such to be accesible in the sense I want others to experience something I enjoy to spread the love, but it also diluted fandoms' quality a lot.
The way media is now a part of your personality to people, the same brands are, also helped. Some people jump into games or series just because they think it will make them cool, or thinking that what you enjoy has to align 100% with your morals so they spend weeks barking and making up stuff on why XZY is soooo left/right-wing. They see media as an extension of themselves.

I think we see the past in rose-tinted glasses, there was still a lot of dumb drama and shit going on back then but as you said it was a bit more contained. Now all it takes is someone making a stupid statement for everyone quote-rting it for 3 days and only talk about that or making a callout about it.

>Patreon also changed things a lot where now people were making fanart to make money where before it was just because they liked the source material.

This especially hurts me, I love when people make their own merch, but we have reached a point where people see media/characters as just "new stuff for my shop" even if they enjoy said media. It made lots of fanart worthless to me because they're made to be sold, not because the OP actually wanted to drawn that or out of love.

In a way I wish copyright laws in the west were as strong as Japan's so that way even the stuff you sell is more genuine since you only can do so in a certain days and/or with a price limit as you can't make profit of it. I buy lots from JP and CN artists and it's a whole new world, they're half as expensive as west fanmerch and they're actually made to spread the artist' love for whatever game/character, there's lots of love and care put into them.

No. 2179028

>>2178980
All of these things are what contributed to the fast decline of fandoms. Less fanart for sure, back then you e-mailed some fansite with your artwork and had to wait for weeks to have it added to the site. No video streaming so you had to play a game yourself if you wanted to experience it, thus making your experience also personal. No social media besides webrings or deviantart so fandoms were much smaller and spread out. If you wanted to cosplay something you had to make the costume yourself or pay a costume maker hundreds of dollars for a commission instead of ordering it dirt cheap from China. You could only access the internet community at home, so you weren't constantly online via the small computer in your pant pocket everywhere you went, and this also barred teenagers from most spaces since not a lot of them had unmonitored access to the computer. Everything was much more slow paced and in-depth because people engaged with the source without too much outside influence and had a lot more patience. Even I would 100% a new game completely yet now I have a pile of unfinished ones, and I know the plot twists and plotlines to all the popular things by cultural osmosis alone since I can't just curl up in my personal space online anymore.

No. 2179029

>>2178607
Nonnas, would y'all like it if the mc looked like a frumpy women in robes while all the men are only in loincloths and sarongs? Asking for research purposes.

No. 2179032

>>2179029
the robes themselves should at least be an interesting color

No. 2179036

>>2179029
i dont care as long as he looks prettier than her, the biggest problem with these mary sue protagonist is that they often look better than the love interests. The female protagonist will look like some super detailed kawiwi fashion model in lolita clothes and then the scrote looks like a kirito recolor. I want both interesting female and male characters.

No. 2179037

>>2179028
Game fandom was my favorite, I preferred the slower pace of it and wow it makes me sad to think about how untainted my playthroughs were. Everyone in the fandom was so genuine about loving the games, they went through all the work of beating the game before entering the fandom and that really made game fandoms unique relative to others because it had the highest barrier of entry compared to other mediums. Sounds kinda silly but lol sometimes I wish I could go back in time to spend time on the superior internet kek. There were fun fandoms I missed out on participating in.

Of all things I recently discovered Call of Duty has a bustling fandom producing fan content and I wondered where that came from and apparently it was tiktok edits. Turns out this is how many younger fans get into fandom now, tiktok edits and summaries. I can understand that something like CoD can be very difficult to get into if you aren't already a gamer but it's rather disappointing that people do that for something that's already easy to enjoy, like a comic, manga, show or movie.

No. 2179048

>>2178935
>Fandom was not all about shipping and cooming before!
Yeah, shipping has always been present, but it wasn't the only thing fandom was about. And also, coom has been getting more explicit and prominent at the same time that porn has become more accessible, common and openly accepted in the mainstream.
>>2178951
>Crack ships existed since forever,
What's more, crack ships existed as inside jokes and they only made sense to those who actually knew the source material.
>>2178919
It's like people are starting to forget that media isn't just for self-inserting and masturbating (including shipping). I've seen arguments here where anons fail to understand the frustration other anons feel when there are few good female characters, they think these anons are mad because they don't have enough coom material, or because they want to self-insert as a reverse harem protagonist, but actually most of us just want good stories featuring female characters with little to no romance and where the women aren't sex objects. Is that so much to ask? Is it bad to want to relate to the main character in any way? I'm a yume but don't consume romance media because I think it's boring (I play games and watch shows that I just think are fun or are about other topics I like, and if there's any character I want to fuck I just treat it as a bonus), there's anons who consume romance or ship het but don't self-insert (or don't do it that much). Not all fujos are uninterested in anything where they can't ship yaoi, either. You can be a yume, a fujo, a femslash fan or a hetshipper/otomefag and still consume media for reasons other than being a yume/fujo/hime/hetshipper/otomefag/husbandofag/whatever. What the fuck do people not understand?

Yes, there are anons who have confessed to wanting to self-insert as a loser that gets all the hot guys, and being unable to enjoy any sort of media that doesn't feature a self-insert as pathetic and ugly as them (legit one of the times I saw one of these specimens here, she said that's the reason she consumes yaoi), but they honestly belong to the same category as those who accuse others of "wanting to be the main character" (for wanting better female characters), who either are projecting or do the other thing which is that they only consume media for the coom (fujo shipping). There's also the few lesbians on here that, understandably, want more and better female-led media because they are attracted to women but then also proceed to shit on non-lesbian women because they can't believe a non-lesbian could ever enjoy a female character without wanting to fuck her, it's the same mentality as the straight fujos accusing others of wanting Mary Sue self-inserts. It's as if they don't understand what could possibly be appealing about good female characters or female-led stories, if it doesn't have fuckable/shippable characters. If their only interest in any kind of media is shipping and porn because their brains are fried by their fandoms ok, fine, but not everyone's mind has been ruined to the point they're unable to enjoy non-sexual and non-romantic books, games, shows… hobbies. They probably don't have other hobbies aside from shipping/yaoi/self-insert porn and desperately need to touch grass. This is why all those infights happen, both groups (the pathetic self-inserter coomers and underage fujo coomers) see everything in terms of being a yume or being a fujo, or in other words, in terms of porn and sex, and do insane amounts of projecting on those who are less pornsick.

Also, romance has always existed and there's nothing wrong with the genre by itself, not even if it's supposed to encourage the female reader to self-insert a little. Yeah, there's more erotic and trashy stuff in the genre, but that's not all the romance that exists. Also, YES, you can read/watch straight romance, or ship a man and a woman without self-inserting as the woman, you dumb fucks.

>>2178816
>>2178964
I don't mean to invalidate your love for the character, and I'm sure she's one of those cases where she has good traits but unfortunately she's also sexualized, but I don't think it's right to defend the original Lara as a better option when she was specifically designed with coom in mind (we all know the story about her breasts). A lot of the female characters on that list are also cool as fuck in some way but suffer from coomer elements (to varying degrees).

>>2178408
>A lot of these girls are autistic and straight, they probably don't connect to the male gaze way hetero ships in mainstream media are written with.
Sorry nona, what do you mean by "autistic"? Isn't it normal for women and girls to find moidshit "romance" (sexualized female characters for male audiences) naturally repulsive? Agree with the rest though. They probably turn gay ships straight because they're sick of shit sexist/misogynistic tropes in mainstream hetero romance, although often they end up doing the same with genderbends.

>>2179024
>several people agreeing that writing romantic smut focussing on emotions is gross and makes them uncomfortable.
Literally how

No. 2179049

>>2178852
what the hell is this from nonna

No. 2179050

>>2179049
NTA it's a yaoi porn game called Paradise by PIL/SLASH

No. 2179053


No. 2179054

>>2179050
god bless your heart

No. 2179056

>>2179036
I get you nonna. It seems like anime men come in less hair colors than women most of the time. Where my pink haired boys? Green hair? purples? blues? Anything but orange, brown, blonde, black, grey, and white.

No. 2179066

>>2179056
NTA but yes, whenever the female lead has an unnatural hair color and the male lead has normal hair, you can tell right away who the target audience is, or who made it. Even outside of the obvious moid-oriented harem/fanservice anime. It's basic manic pixie dream girl design.

>>2178607
>"sexualized female lead in female-centered" series
It's "female-oriented." "Female-centered" means that the main cast is female.

No. 2179069

>>2178958
share the milk with us here, may as well

No. 2179074

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>>2178476
>how the fuck do you develop a fetish for women turning into cars in the 60s before the internet was even a thing?
Japan has a history of shapeshifting mythological beings and many of them were attractive women who would end up having children with men, like the Inari, fox spirits who could turn into humans.

Tezuka was also fascinated by metamorphosis on a deeply autistic level and in his work you will find non-sexual transformation too, on both female and male characters (picrel); his fetish for it and for alien/furry women is just an extension of his obsessions for metamorphosis and nature, but he wasn't exactly proud of the sexual side of his fixations.
The picture you posted was actually found hidden locked in a desk and said desk also included more creepy unseen fetish art and some studies from some of his more psychedelic animated movies (including adult-only ones), so he actually had shame unlike a lot of nerds and authors today.

Tezuka is a very interesting author to read because everything is naturally connected to the themes of life and nature in his works.
So his love for big ass sexy women turning into animals/cars/furniture can also be linked back to them kek– he was into domineering motherly figures (not unlike mother nature) and he loved the idea of them using metamorphosis to seduce shy men. It's actually a recurring theme in many japanese myths to have alluring shapeshifting women seduce shy men and Tezuka loved anthropology so there lol, back to where I started.

No. 2179077

>>2178395
No, those you have to buy with paid gems. I actually complained about this in the two surveys I've answered, especially in the second one. There's an outfit that they released alongside Sylus that has the MC wear a cool women's suit, but it's ruined by the retarded stiletto heels. I had been waiting for a cool, non-hyperfeminine, non-sexy outfit and this is the best I got. It was pretty bad when we didn't have this outfit, but this little detail really triggered my autistic rage (this one is available for free with in-game currency btw). I don't mind most of the outfits being super girly or even "sexy" for those who like that, but at least give us ONE outift where I'm both fully covered, wear normal shoes and my waist/hips aren't emphasized.

I don't give a shit if the guys normally wear what other retards call "burqas", I just want my character to be equally covered up WHILE LOOKING COOL instead of showing skin for no fucking reason in random places like she does with her default outfit FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I hate this tendency among otome fans to """simp""" for the protagonist (different from just liking her design/personality, mind you) as if she was meant for you, a male-attracted woman, to lust after her and not the pretty boy cast that gets romantically involved with the player character. Most of them are not bisexual and even if they are, they probably aren't actually turned on by the protag. It's so fucking fake, and also annoying because they're missing the point of otome games entirely (vid related). It's so fucking performative it hurts. You don't see scrotes doing the same with galge protagonists, unless they're joking.

It's great that the guys get special revealing outfits but it fucking pisses me off that the female protagonist wears revealing stuff by default. That's the problem. Retards should quit crying about other women finding fully clothed anime men attractive because that's not the problem (news flash: women don't have to like the opposite sex version of what moids find attractive just to "get back at them"). Yeah it's unfair that female = half-naked and male = fully covered, I support complaining about that bias, but why target the women who enjoy or just don't mind the latter? Everybody here has a problem with the former. I don't know why we infight about our preferences in husbando clothes when we should be shitting on men and whoever thinks women should show skin but not males. Go insult their taste instead, don't try to bully other women into liking the exact things you like. Plus the people who like the normal outfits are probably the ones that actually like the characters beyond just treating them as le based misandrist fap material, it's a romance simulation game after all you dumbass. They're likely to want both the conservative outfits and the slutty outfits.

>>2178378
>>2178380
Are you blind? Because the characters in Nikke not only are 2D vs CGI, they're your average coomershit designs made by gross otaku that don't know how clothes or anatomy work. Only a scrote would think those characters look better. Maybe you meant "better" as in "more retardedly horny"? I get that it's frustrating that moids get those openly coomer designs but women never do, but please understand that most women aren't used to, and therefore don't like, retarded slutty male designs that much (when it's slutty but well-designed yes, but not when it's retarded like the Nikke designs/female anime designs).
And why does it matter what western TikTok thing the LADS designs remind you of? Not everyone has been traumatized by whatever it is you're talking about, and certainly not the Asian audience and the Chinese devs. Not your cup of tea, fine, doesn't mean they're ugly. Can't we have just 1 CGI otome game with idealized, perfect, semi-realistic Asian boys? I just see it as the male equivalent of female designs like the ones in Japanese games such as Dead or Alive among countless others, where they make their faces look realistic but still stylized and super smooth/soft looking. I've had friends tell me LADS looks like a Final Fantasy game so it's not like pretty boys in CGI is anything new.

Late reply, I know.

No. 2179078

>>2179074
the way its so fetishistically drawn is fucking scary. Imagine what the world would be if disney never made bambi and it didnt turn tezuka into a weird furry autist, we wouldn't have animu today.

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>>2179029
> loincloths and sarongs
I would prefer something more flashy.

No. 2179094

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>>2179078
It would be a world without my doctor husbando and I do not want it.

For the record Tezuka would have probably spent his life making family friendly saccharine comics if it wasn't for the rise of gekiga and more shocking and violent manga that basically forced him to tread other grounds.
So whatever normies or clueless furries will say about him or his influence as an author have no idea why Tezuka was influential. He also wasn't the only important mangaka of his times and only recently people started to care about his weird fetish.
Honestly, it's funny to see that a relatively chaste author like Tezuka, who often self-censored and whose sex scenes were almost always alluded by or hinted at, is now basically only remembered for a weird fringe part of his stupidly big lifework that he was ashamed enough of to hide it in a desk closed with a key he hid kek

No. 2179103

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>>2179036
>scrote looks like a kirito recolor
I started reading picrel yesterday, but I couldn’t make it past the first chapter because the ML looks so painfully bland.

No. 2179108

>>2179103
Why do female authors do this shit?

No. 2179125

>>2179029
literally yes it would be interesting and different because it LITERALLY does not fucking exist…as far as i know, outside of a single artist who only draws it occasionally. give me one piece of media where all the women are plain and practical and the boys are handsome/pretty sluts

No. 2179130

>>2179077
Just quit the game? You clearly seem really stressed over gacha that'll EoS at any moment.

No. 2179141

>>2179108
I wish I knew kek. I suppose they have the same mindset as scrotes who think that any male character with even a bit of flair is automatically gay.

No. 2179175

>>2179056
>>2179066
Ngl I actually love black hair, it sucks when you see a nice character and all the comments are moids claiming that he's literally them because the mc has black hair, and talking about them is hard because he has black hair so he must be nothing but a kirito clone with no personality whatsoever.
Most people saying this don't even know what Kirito even is at this point, they just know Kirito bad.

No. 2179187

>>2179108
Low-self esteem. Not knowing how to want. Only wanting to be wanted.

No. 2179261

>>2178988
Going to add that Ao3 is also indirectly responsible for fandom’s current state in being dominated by romance and porn. There was an extremely noticeable shift in fandom once AO3 supplanted FFN and other fanfic sites and this shift happened extremely quickly. The tagging system is basically the same as you’d expect of a porn site. Tags are useful in the context of porn and romance where people have very specific, granular preferences and turn offs. Tags don’t really make sense for genfic; if you want to read a drama or adventure story tags easily function as spoilers for the story you want to read/write. I think tags change how people interact with and relate to fanfic and reading in general (tags seem to be bleeding into original fiction too, and imo this entails fiction becoming increasingly formulaic).

I don’t remember the term ‘genfic’ even existing prior to Ao3, why would you develop such a broad term for every genre of story when non-romance stuff was often the majority of what was being produced?

No. 2179274

Is it a regular thing for Twitter fandoms of live shows to just be obsessed with actors and have discussions divorced from the actual show? Half the discussions are like “oh face card never declines” which is just them saying the actor (character) is hot.

No. 2179284

>>2179175
Honestly, out of all the hair colors I listed, black and white are the ones I like the most. Even better if it's mixed.

No. 2179290

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Scrotes will not tolerate female protags existing in games unless they look like sex dolls kek. Doesn't matter how well made the game is.

No. 2179291

>>2179290
They're gonna bitch and moan about this until like 2 weeks after release and then once they realise people enjoy the game they'll pretend they supported GLORIOUS BASED NIPPON all along.

No. 2179293

>>2179290
All this talk about masculinity is hilarious considering women's involvement in the game industry.

No. 2179304

>>2178453
The voice actors fully carried the game imo. Some were considerably better than others, but I admit that I laughed a few times just because their delivery made the cringe writing work. The dev has gotten cocky and assumed that his audience will love everything he writes, when in reality, the "serious" parts of the VN where the vocal talent couldn't be as wacky as usual and just had to recite his lines were absolute faux-deep dogshit.

No. 2179314

>>2178462
> Dourif
> Joost (idk if that's spelled right)
> Matsuda

No. 2179321

>>2179274
There is something terribly demonic about Twitter fandoms
You become a very spiteful and hateful person, I refuse to believe any of these people are having fun

No. 2179341

>>2179290
Same moid will later be bringing up the same female character to prove that there's no sexism in video games.

No. 2179348

>>2179291
Didn't they do that with the mario movie? It might just be nostalgia goggles but I swear the existence of women that aren't trophy wives in media didn't cause as much complaining 10 years ago

No. 2179359

>>2179348
> gamergate happens
> no-principle grifters realise that being louder and more annoying than the other talking heads = more attention
> they start flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks
> angry retards who took the online slapfight too seriously like being told what they want to hear
> creates feedback loop
> creates echo chamber
> retard ideology escalates over time

No. 2179405

>>2178441
>all of the Mane 6 are there
Total Brony Death but why is Twilight so high? Is it because she's the nerdy one and all the nerdy men coom/self insert as her or what?
>Loona is higher than Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman
HQ and WW have been coomed over for decades and the goffick furry bait from a web animation that came out five years has more coom material than both. I'd be impressed if I wasn't so disgusted.
>Ankha and Isabelle
I know moids sexualize them but it still hurts my heart to be aware of it.
>Powergirl being low on the chart
Shocking.
Verdict:KAM

No. 2179425

>>2178441
Sooo where's Goku or Vegeta?No Star War characters?I'm surprised not to see the Sailor Moon girls here either since they get sexualized a lot unfortunately.

No. 2179449

The new Class of 09 game was so disappointing. I enjoyed the first 2 but the Flipside was just torture porn for the sake of torture porn. The OG and the Re-Up were edgy sure but they had some kind of modesty and knew when to not go too far. The fact that there’s an entire ending about the characters having a mommy dom and feet fetish has just made it so now the franchise’s entire legacy will be “that edgy anime game with a fetishy final installment” I heard there were allegations against the developer of racism and even worse, getting nudes from fans on Discord but that’s all alleged and I’m unsure how true it is, it really wouldn’t shock me given all the YandereDev flashbacks this whole thing gives me.

>>2178441
The worst part of this is that the male characters are mostly only here cuz they’re used in faceless art for the moids to self insert into

No. 2179452

>>2178441
The fact that any MLP character is there makes me really sick. I hate men so much

No. 2179459

>>2179452
Also characters like Tails The Fox being there when he’s 8, does moid degeneracy know no bounds? Even with the “X” gendered characters they’re either feminine leaning (Gardevoir) or literally feral animals (Arcanine)

No. 2179460

>>2178385
Forsaken was an absolute mess of a game. it deserved to flop

No. 2179463

>>2179405
Bronies becoming a thing truly destroyed so much. I remember when bronies were up and coming in the NYC area around 2013ish.. I thought it was a joke, but it was creepy how mainly men latched onto Friendship is Magic when it released on tv. Men getting into MLP and sexualizing the crap out of it is connected to tranny shit in the later years, I stg

No. 2179470

>>2179452
It's not only MLP, but kids shows overall. Except fate, bioshock, resident evil, mass effect and nier - everything other than that are for kids. Plus kids media are often using animals as characters. I think it is some sort of first boner trauma, lol. Why so if that's not the case? And all the adult media examples are videogames - male children play videogames a lot, so it could be also preteen sexual awakening case

No. 2179487

>>2178441
>No Azula or Katara
don't know if I should be grateful or surprised

No. 2179491

>>2179470
They form fandoms around kids' shows because they're man-children looking for escapism. Which turns into coomer art and other fanworks, because they can't keep their dick in their pants for long. It's part of why they seek out fandoms in the first place. Bronies mostly weren't introduced to MLP from childhood, they came across it as adults and became fixated on it. Remember when there were news stories about them, the debates about "redefining masculinity" and "accepting their feminine side," whatever the fuck? It comforted them.

No. 2179515

>>2178678
>you can only feel pleasure if someone touches your peepee or your coochie

there's plenty of other erogenous zones in the body, nonnie, be serious.

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>>2179290
Scrotes are already sexualizing the GoY protag

No. 2179534

>>2178664
I used to, but end up finding most self insert fanfiction to be boring as hell because of how submissive most female characters are, I could also just read f/m pairings and self insert from there but I usually just ship m/m. So most of the time I’m just using AI chatbots.

No. 2179536

i still don’t fully understand what gamergate was

No. 2179537

>>2178829
Same, nonny.

No. 2179538

>>2178664
I just use chatbots

No. 2179539

>>2179528
Ghost of Tsushima has Naked man bath scenes?

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No. 2179545

>>2179470
I think a lot of it is the waifu for laifu thing. But also because these kinda of colorful designs primarily happen in kids content in Western animation.

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I love that most of the characters posted don't even look like their moms, they just have the same art style

No. 2179551

>>2179539
Apparently lol

No. 2179553

>>2179548
Remembered why the moms always look younger, most of them die in flashbacks.

No. 2179555

>>2179548
Kek you're actually right. I've never seen any of these shows and they don't look alike at all they just have the same hair colour

No. 2179558

>>2178495
>Aether being on the list but not Lumine, or any other Genshin character is surprising to me. I guess people just make porn of this character specifically?
Kinda yeah. I've actually seen some men make femdom porn using his character kek.

No. 2179563

>>2179548
It's kinda sad that most of these idiots will likely be trans in a few years, if they aren't already

No. 2179590

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https://x.com/MagicMushMM/status/1839017037882077328
More milk on the creator of class of '09. This guy would go on skype just to bully autistic kids, funnily enough he sounds autistic himself being 20 throwing baby insults at 13 year olds kek. It's funny that the fanbase of his game is now autistic lesbian kids who make yuri art of his characters, that clearly makes him seethe and is probably why the new game tries too hard to scare them off.

No. 2179593

>>2179590
Holy shit, this is getting milky. You know it's getting serious if even a moid is getting involved with some discourse and attacking its own.

No. 2179596

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>>2179590
NTA but the rest of the thread. at this point he is just yandev 2.0

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>>2179597
3
sonic fans are always at the crime scene

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No. 2179618

>>2179528
As if there aren't hundreds of games sexualizing women already. There is no lack of naked women for these losers in games. How many games even pulled this on male characters? If they don't include her ass in the Ghost of Yutei I'm sure they'll scream and cry about it too, pretend they are being oppressed about it.

No. 2179656

>>2179590
the guy that created this was in his 30s?

No. 2179947

>>2178441
Men consume most of the visual porn so this is just bound to happen

No. 2179998

>>2179590
>The autistic 30-year old edgy dev of an edgy sex game was a part of an autistic bully troll group in the 00's to early 10's
Fork found in kitchen kind of revelation. Trolling circles were the hottest shit during the Encyclopedia Dramatica era and they were fairly normalized, picking on "retards" was like the favourite online past time of every teenager and young adult back then. Even HBomberguy was part of Metokur, a very prolific troll taskforce that eventually got taken down by its leader due to him developing a severe case of troll's remorse and coming out as gay. If this happened when MagicMush (who's 26 now) was 14, it happened 12 years ago. So to me it's kind of pointless drama mongering done at the expense of "putting demons to rest". I have no personal investment at all because I don't care about the game or its developer and he sounds like a huge cow judging solely by his current day actions but it's always eyeroll-worthy to witness how the old edgelord internet culture and its normalization at the time comes as a shock to zoomers.

No. 2180001

>>2179998
Oh for sure, but in SBN3’s case it seems like he never really let go of the edgelord culture of that time. He tries too hard to emulate it but it ends up falling flat

No. 2180080

>>2179998
I figured something was off when he went ahead and added his fetish like no one would notice. What is with moid speds and their insistent need to shove every kink and fetish in their crap? Kyle did it, mr. enter did it, time will tell if grosworx decides to go mask off on theirs. If SNB3 focused on making a good vn and not yea know, burn bridges over his audience not being what he wanted, none of this would've happened.

No. 2180089

>>2179998
Im sorry but can my dear beloved retarded millenial anons stop confusing gen alpha with zoomers .Most zoomers who used the internet back then know about that site and have been on it at atleadt one point. The fact that you even see being le epic troll as something to brag about is sad in itself. ED was a shithole where the creators tried too hard to sound edgy and there were also a couple of extremely pedophilic and mysoginistic articles on that site too.

No. 2180137

>>2180080
You don't have to they/them gooseworx kek. And he did put his fetish in TADC with the vomit jokes

No. 2180220

>>2180137
I'm using they as a grammar rule. I know he's a biological male, nonna.

No. 2180262

>>2179590
The class of '09 dev has had a kiwifarms thread since 2017 for those exact retarded antics, weird how that flew under everyones radar

No. 2180276

can’t lie i love when the cringe fotm i don’t like turns out to be shit for one reason or another (class of 09)

No. 2180565

>>2180089
Sorry, but no zoomer was around in 2004-2009 when ED was at its prime. Zillenial cuspers maybe, but just being "aware" of the site that's still around as a zombie version of itself isn't the same as experiencing it as a cornerstone in internet culture.

No. 2180625

File: 1727375066263.png (1.87 MB, 742x5326, heathcliff.png)

this whole heathcliff "roma" discourse is honestly eye-opening about wokies, It they are more retarded than even the craziest conservatives when it comes to anything, they really think all gypsies are just unchanged dark-skinned Indians and It's telling that they're all posting random Indian actors instead of an actual modern western gypsy

No. 2180635

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>>2180625
this is what a modern western gypsy actor looks like btw, usually they are very similar to the ethnicity of the country they live in or slightly more tanned than the general population

No. 2180651

>>2180625
genuine question, does "gypsy" mean something else in english speaking countries? because i’m a roma from eastern europe and currently live in western europe and everyone in my family has brown skin, every other roma family i know too unless someone is mixed race and even then they don’t look like >>2180635

No. 2180660

>>2180625
Isn't there a whole discussion what race Heathcliff is? I think some people are posting Indian actors because of this quote “You’re fit for a prince in disguise. Who knows but your father was Emperor of China, and your mother an Indian queen”
It's hinted in the book that he is mixed race "A good heart will help you to a bonny face, my lad, if you were a regular black”. No one in your image even mention him maybe being of "roma orgin". Other people in the book call him gypsy, but that term is ambigious from what country he could be from.

Really dont want to defend twitterfags, but i have reread the book recently, and yeah he is very obviously non white (again very vague, but so i the book about explaining his origins.

No. 2180661

>>2180651
western european roma people are much more likely be "mixed"

No. 2180666

>>2180651
NTA but the Romani came to Europe from India 1500 years ago and spread from there and got mixed with locals over centuries. A Roma person born in somewhere like Northern Europe would be much more white passing than someone who spent their entire life in the Balkans.

That said, it's a valid point to bring up that a basic Tall Brown Haired Nigel with blue eyes is a pretty shitty pick for a character that's explicitly described to be exotic-looking. I wouldn't go as far as "brown", but he is said to be described as having darker skin.

No. 2180667

>>2180660
people also call him Spanish, Italian and a Moor, the fact that his son looks completely white indicates that he's probably more Caucasian

No. 2180670

>>2180666
I didn't mean to seem like I was cherry-picking, I literally just used the first male actor on the imdb romani actors list
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls568959156/

No. 2180672

>>2180625
Almost all of the men in those tweets belong in the ugly man psyop thread.

No. 2180692

>>2180667
>people also call him Spanish, Italian and a Moor
"a little Lascar, or an American or Spanish castaway". Lascar meaning a sailor from India or SE Asia, the castaway is probably also emphasized for a darker complexion of his skin.
>the fact that his son looks completely white indicates that he's probably more Caucasian
I think it's more likely that it that he is mixed, half european, and half southeast asian. Back then Indians where also considered as "Blacks". Heathcliff his discription and race has been discussed for a long time.

>>2180666
>That said, it's a valid point to bring up that a basic Tall Brown Haired Nigel with blue eyes is a pretty shitty pick for a character that's explicitly described to be exotic-looking.
Yeah it fine if they really want to cast a white guy, but he should atleast look exotic. However I guess they won't have any of the characters call him a gypsy or black since that would maybe offend people.

No. 2180731

>>2180625
All of these are ugly

No. 2180929

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>>2180625
>>2180692
>>2180731
the 1939 adaption managed to portray him more accurate

No. 2181043

>>2180692
>I think it's more likely that it that he is mixed
Mr. Earnshaw is his biological father, no one is convincing me otherwise

No. 2181073

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in case anyone wanted some metrics, this is the absolute state of "f/f" thanks to futashit. a whopping 77.9% of the people who will claim to enjoy "yuri" want to see dicks involved, think about that for a second. by the way, blanked out red name is the most "dominant" and """gnc""" amongst the women (3+) involved, which obviously means she must have a dick. ancient greece levels of gender roles, we truly did never move on.

No. 2181096

>>2181073
wonder how many tims voted

No. 2181102

>>2181043
that's the most likely theory, heathcliff wasn't just some random orphan from London among thousands of others, but Earnshaw's own son born from an affair

No. 2181233

File: 1727389551056.png (2.44 MB, 901x5814, img_4391.png)

>>2180660
>>2180625
>>2180651
picrel is a better explanation

No. 2181254

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>>2178816
>>2178964
Lara was one of the first overly sexualized characters in video games that I remember, there used to be a PlayStation magazine that featured her as a sex symbol and the ads for her early games were filled with innuendos. Even if they don't advertise her as such nowadays, she's still an attractive character with ideal proportions using clothes that feature and reveal her body. I haven't played the new games, but I don't remember her having a love interest, so it's the perfect waifu for them to project safely their fantasies. It's hard to erase the background built around the character and pretend she wasn't coom material to begin with. I can't blame the fandom for sexualizing a character that the creators heavily sexualized from the start.

No. 2181263

>>2181254
I remember her original creator was disappointed what eidos did to her because she was inspired by his sister who used to go climbing and did not have the proportions they ended up giving Lara.

No. 2181280

>>2180660
Lol alot of woke twitterfags are the same as right-wingers. Right-wingers lose their mind when a character that was supposed to be white gets turned brown/black and wokies also lose their mind when a character that was supposed to be brown/black has a lighter actor.

Literally the same type of people juat inverted.

No. 2181415

>>2181280
Colorism has been screwing over darker skin actresses/actors for years and still does to this day, but sure they're the exact same if you squint real hard.

No. 2181509

>>2180666
if heathcliff was white passing he wouldn't be getting called slurs. Nonnies saying he was mixed are valid because he was definitely a bastard that got adopted
>>2181280
its not like the uk has a shortage of half white/half south asian or arab actors anyway

No. 2181515

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>>2179290
>Because of course it does
This scrote fails as weaboo if he doesn't know the stories behind Onna-musha.

No. 2181517

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Vivzie's still coping about Helluva/Hazbin being an "adult" show. If you swapped a Vivzie script with a CW teen drama no one would notice a thing. Literally 90% shipping with 10% swearing to bump the rating up, its chilling tales of sabrina but animated

No. 2181541

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>>2181233
Find it weird that “dark skinned in aspect” is treated as a metaphor but “white as the wall behind him” is taken seriously. He may have been dark for English standards (medium skin tone) which would still allow him to have a light skinned child. His origins are pretty ambiguous so you can read him a lot of ways, I think he was never elaborated on as a sign that he’s always on the outside of society. Whether he’s Indian, gypsy, Spanish, etc. doesn’t matter as much as him being obviously different from the rest of them. His foreignness (especially his black eyes) is commented on a lot during the novel, so I’m inclined to believe he had a clearly exotic (to the English) look.

Picrel is from stackexchange, where they also have a theory on where Heathcliff came from based on the timeframe where he was picked up. https://literature.stackexchange.com/questions/15817/what-was-the-ethnicity-of-heathcliff-in-wuthering-heights

No. 2181627

>>2181233
so basically, heathcliff is a spicy white boy, likely iberian-irish. so then jacob elordi is perfect to play him, as jacob is basque and just a spicy white boy himself. basque people are just the product of swarthy iberian women and celtic men who came over originally from the steppe.

No. 2181666

>>2180625
this is gonna sound insane but i feel like no one has talked about rroma people until like the last few years? ive been seen a lot of roma people crop up on twitter and other gendie-like sites obsessing over being roma and shit. is this the new quirky ethnicity to larp as?

No. 2181670

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margot robbie being cast is so stupid. sorry but she has a very 'fierce', strong, 2020s stacy face and it just doesnt suit that time and era. the victoria era was all about softer looking women with very oval, gentle, cherubic innocent faces. margot looks so hard and slutty.(samefagging)

No. 2181671

>>2181517
there is a vivzie thread on /m/

No. 2181680

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>>2181670
seriously margots big square victoria secret model block of cheese head and thick lips would just look so weird in period drama settings. if you look at any portraits from the 1700s/1800s and even up to the edwardian era it was always about long, oval faces, delicate small lips, large innocent eyes, very placid expressions. margot is the opposite, always looks like she's smizing, seems sly, bitchy, knowing, worldly and hard. her phenotype doesnt fit with beauty standards of that time she's going to look so weird in victorian aesthetic.(samefagging)

No. 2181685

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sorry but this is just not cathy and never will be(samefagging)

No. 2181697

>>2181680
Wouldn't be so hard on Margot Robbie's face but it is true her "hot pink Barbie" beauty is pretty opposite to "tuberculosis ethereal" edwardian beauty.

No. 2181700

>>2181670
>margot looks so hard and slutty
What is wrong with some of you???

No. 2181710

>>2181263
That's tragic, I didn't know that. Reminds me of a mangaka that the publisher pushed for him to draw his character with bigger tits.
>>2181515
You give them too much credit by even considering they would know any history and not only the action movies they watched as a kid.

No. 2181714

>>2181670
I don't know what discussion is happening right now but I thought samefagging was when you write a reply to your own post?

No. 2181716

Can celebricow downies please vacate the nerdsperging thread, we don't care about your hateboner for random women's nasolabial folds.

No. 2181724

>>2181714
I think that's when you announce it, samefagging can also be when someone shits up a thread multiple times trying to make it seem like it's several posters (like this Wuthering heights sperg calling Margot slutty)

No. 2181741

>>2179108
I believe some women really just want a normal guy

No. 2181748

>>2181680
>if you look at any portraits from the 1700s/1800s
>posts ai
Damn, you had a century of possible artists to pick from.

No. 2181750

>>2181724
margot is a slut, shes talentless and slept her way to the top. i dont want to look at her yassified block of cheddar cheese head in a victorian period drama.(derailing)

No. 2181753

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and people who are pretending certain looks dont fit certain eras are coping.(derailing)

No. 2181755

>>2181710
Reminds me of this one mangaka that said he was able to get away with making certain female characters "mean" and "bitches" as long as he made their boobs bigger because otherwise men would keep complaining to kill them off.

No. 2181764

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>>2181753
yeah it’s true. I watched this random new Bollywood movie on Netflix that came out this year and the main lead has such an iPhone face. No way she’s from the 1800s, it’s just not convincing

No. 2181772

>>2181764
Tbf a lot of this also has to do with the makeup and hairstyling.

No. 2181790

>>2180666
>A Roma person born in somewhere like Northern Europe would be much more white passing than someone who spent their entire life in the Balkans.
It's insane to read these twitterfag takes on LC of all places. Romas in eastern europe never integrated because of their culture that is heavily against it and they highly discourage mixing with the locals, among other reasons like general racism etc, that's why. Not because Balkan people are not fully white so mixing with them for hundreds of years would keep brown skin and other indian features while mixing with anglos wouldn't. Gypsies in the UK are nowadays pretty far removed from Roma people in eastern europe, culture wise and probably DNA wise at this point too.

No. 2181828

>>2181790
The thing even they cast a paler mixed romani/asian actor to play heathcliff I'm convinced people would still sperg about him being brown or the casting "woke". There are actually white passing actors who still get called too brown (Rachel zegler).

No. 2181947

>>2181828
>>2181828
The point is that Western gypsies are mostly mixed, while in the Balkans extreme religious division and later Communist policy prevented gypsies from integrating either, this is also true for gypsy groups in MENA countries

No. 2181952

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>>2181764
>>2181772
This has been an issue in Indian cinema for decades, where actors from minority ethnic groups are often chosen based on their perceived attractiveness

>Bollywood promotes racial hierarchies in their films, often featuring actors who do not resemble the great majority of Indians. This is not news, and really, is not even the fault of Bollywood, which is simply reflecting the (unfortunate) South Asian preference for fair skin and sharp features.

>Actors from the Indus Valley, particularly Punjabis, dominate the Bollywood elite. This is not surprising, given Khatri families like the Kapoors are prevalent in the industry.
>While Bollywood Actresses tend to have more general Indian ancestry than their male counterparts, this ancestry is extremely skewed towards Brahmins. Brahmins are the traditional elite of India, often known for being relatively fair skinned in comparison to their neighbors, due to their elevated levels of Eurasian Steppe ancestry from the ancient Aryan Invasion. They comprise between 5–10% of the Indian population on average.

imagine if ethnic groups that made up less 2% of the entire population were the only representation in film and media, that's bollywood
picrel is an actual Indian prince vs the actor who they get to portray him

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>>2181952
I googled "bollywood men". They do all that and the moids are still ugly??

No. 2182022

>>2181999
bollywood is the biggest nepotistic industry in the world, the thing is, not one person pretends that isn't the case, everyone is open and proud of being a nepo-baby

No. 2182023

>>2181790
…so isn't that what was said there? That Romas mixed in with locals over centuries and that's why they developed much white-passing features?

No. 2182030

>>2181952
The actual prince looks cuter than the actor.

No. 2182046

>>2181952
>>2181999
These men are all ugly as sin

No. 2182047

>>2182030
kek agree

No. 2182115


No. 2182124

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picrel is why pandering is a stupid decision, nothing you create will ever be "woke" enough. In fact, it will be judged even harder for not aligning with their ideas
this is about the actors not being roma or jewish btw

No. 2182125

>>2182030
he looks rat like but at least he doesnt look ancient and like a sex trafficker

No. 2182130

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>>2182023
there are roma here in the uk. most of them look white or just white with black hair or whatever. they become whiter from mixing with irish travellers, who are just irish white people who started becoming nomadic in the 1600s. pic rel is a irish gypsy (male) and romani gypsy (female) couple lol.

the romani ive seen in northern and eastern europe were much darker and looked much more indian.

No. 2182138

>>2178464
Link is not a femboy, that's like when people call Raiden a femboy. Link is peak husbando.

No. 2182150

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>>2182138
Seriously, just because link is short doesn't mean he's a hurr durr femboy, I really hate that shit of the fandom nowadays, I miss when Link existed to make cool fanart of.
Nowadays people basically draw Zelda and slap a dick on her, then they call her Link. It's literally pic related but they don't even remove the eyelashes or change the hair too much.

No. 2182243

>>2180565
i'm a zoomer that was around for ED days back in 2007-2009. they exist (I mainly used my wii internet browser to look at it but still)

No. 2182247

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>>2182138
>>2182150
link is a femboy because he’s a feminine/androgynous guy; the term applies to any dude who isn’t conventionally masculine. it doesn’t always mean broken hip flat-cheated venus body and it’s in fact regularly applied to like. regular twink/bishonen characters or any dude in a dress. every guy posted in the maid thread on /m/, for example, is a “femboy”
>b-but!!
nope. i hate the term because of the culture that surrounds it, e.g. reddit bisexuals and “boykisser” types, but that’s just facts(fuck off)

No. 2182252

>>2182247
You always try to push this crap in every thread, it's never going to work. Not all of us are 12 years old like you, we saw the shift of men co-opting and slapping femboy labels on characters in real time.

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>>2182138
link has always been an underage boy or teenager, the male porn addicts or slash shippers who portray him as this pseudo-feminine figure just reveal themselves to be the pedophiles they are, picrel was caught with "femboy link porn" and what I imagine most moids who are into "femboys" look like
>>2182247
I know what you are

No. 2182260

>>2182247
are all teenage boys femboys, you weird autist

No. 2182264

>>2182260
She genuinely thinks any man who displays a single ounce of femininity is a femboy, last week she was arguing that a buff character from a BL is a femboy just cause he wears a skirt. She's completely scrotebrained.

No. 2182266

>>2182260
yes because all teenage boys are automatically androgynous and feminine, you retard

>>2182252
i’m not saying these characters are meant to be feminine or andro, but rather they appear that way in the eyes of westerners who aren’t used to bishonen or pretty boys in their media, hence they get the term applied to them. if you place a character like sephiroth against typical western villains then yes he is notably more androgynous

No. 2182268

>>2182260
>>2182264
bold of you to assume it's a "she", probably some pedo-troon

No. 2182271

>>2182268
we get banned for misgendering on lolcow now

No. 2182272

>>2182266
>yes because all teenage boys are automatically androgynous and feminine, you retard
please get mental health its not healthy to sexualize underage kids

No. 2182276

>>2182266
Teenage boys have more testosterone and higher sperm counts than grown men.

No. 2182277

>>2182266
Just because men think they are femboys doesn't mean they are. Stop coming here and perpetuating their brainrot and then getting mad when we call you out on it.

No. 2182278

>>2182271
I know that, but it's so obvious this is a pedo-troon who has a particular fetish for little boys(and likely little girls)

No. 2182279

>>2182276
>>2182272
i was being sarcastic. really hope you’re trying to fuck with me and not actually this autistic

No. 2182281

>>2182277
anything more ''feminine'' than the rock(so any man with hair and that doesnt inject himself with roids) is a femboy acording to that retard, insanity

No. 2182285

>>2182281
you saying this just proves my point though

No. 2182286

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>>2182281
Even the rock himself would get called a femboy by that sperg just because of that one movie where he wore a dress.

No. 2182290

>>2182277
i also don’t even see how my initial post was controversial or in support of pedophiles. like would you deny that westerners see a male in a skirt + long hair as feminine? are you saying you can’t google a word and check its definition?

No. 2182293

>>2182285
what do you think of roidstacies. Are they tomboys despite wearing thongs, long hair and make up to bodybuilding competitions.
>>2182290
just because you and men are pornsick it doesnt mean everyone has to agree with you. Men call everything gay and feminine so why play along?

No. 2182294

>>2182290
We can back read the thread you mong
>link is a femboy because he’s a feminine/androgynous guy; the term applies to any dude who isn’t conventionally masculine. it doesn’t always mean broken hip flat-cheated venus body and it’s in fact regularly applied to like. regular twink/bishonen characters or any dude in a dress. every guy posted in the maid thread on /m/, for example, is a “femboy”
Go back to /cm/ where you belong and don't come back.

No. 2182300

anyway link is a femboy and you’re a femboyfag if you enjoy him. so is every bishie you like. bishies are also analogous to rl twinks, so you have gay moid taste. cope all you want ig(bait)

No. 2182301

>>2182300
Today I learned I'm a gay man for being a woman attracted to peak virility males. Only on lolcow

No. 2182308

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>>2182300
>ig
Ooh we have a twitterfag baiting!

No. 2182312

>>2182300
do you also let men control how you see women? are all women past 25 post wall too because men said so? i cant imagine having so little autonomy

No. 2182319

>>2182301
>peak virility males
Most bishies look malnourished wtf you on

No. 2182320

>>2182300
ahh yes, goids love bishies so much they made bara. you suck at baiting.

No. 2182321

>>2182319
Science disagrees

No. 2182327

>>2182319
are you that fatfag spamming their obese roidbeasts everywhere?

No. 2182328

>>2182266
Femboy should be a banworthy term and anybody who uses it irl should be culled.

No. 2182331

please don’t bitch and whine about someone using a naughty word you don’t like for the next hour

No. 2182333

>>2182331
No, she does in in several thread repeatedly, calling anything and everything a femboy. She's been doing it for months she needs to get her ass beaten.

No. 2182335

>>2182331
>naughty word
Is "Naughty words" how you describe your grooming?

No. 2182337

>>2182333
>all these typos
kek you seem upset

No. 2182352

>>2182333
>she
Femboy should only be used to describe faggot moids living on discord who do shit like put on thigh highs regardless if they're skinny or not. Not because they're qt willowy moids.

No. 2182378

>>2182335
Anon is just admitting that femboy is a porn category used to describe underage guys that just because of their age, are considered "feminine" and "androgynous" simultaneously for some reason.
Because everyone knows that young = feminine and attractive and old = masculine and unattractive. Therefore being into kids is the norm, nonna, don't you know this? The Greeks and Romans did it too!

No. 2182388

>>2182286
I only know this movie exists because someone was talking about how fans of human Wheatley were obsessing over Stephen Merchant being in it.

No. 2182405

weird that self harm scars are becoming a common trend in fanwork and random oc designs

No. 2182416

>>2182243
Encyclopedia Dramatica on the Wii is a bold move kek what if your family walked in and saw?

No. 2182422

>>2181254
Oh I don't deny that Lara was sexualized in the past, I'm objecting to how she is characterized in the newest games. Instead of a charming and confident rogue she's introduced as a meek girl that gets brutalized by her environment. The games delight in how they kill and torture Lara, a conscious decision to make the player feel 'protective' over her. It was bad enough in the game itself, made worse once you read the reasoning per interviews and my opinion was permanently skewed negative when I saw the Conan tv spot where he played the game (with one of the gamedevs). Even when she became more capable across the subsequent I thought her personality fell short, the new trilogy seems to fetishize her vulnerability and I found it distasteful.

In the old games she was sexy but at least she was cool and capable. The games didn't linger on her death scenes.

No. 2182428

>>2182422
> The games delight in how they kill and torture Lara, a conscious decision to make the player feel 'protective' over her
This is the most "designed by a male" thing I've ever read.

No. 2182438

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I'm a new player of enstars and I love this little idol raising game because there's so much to do and the beat maps keep me on my toes, but why are so many fangirls batshit about Arashi. Everywhere I go they call him a tranny and say his pronouns are she/her and we should respect that!!1! Despite the Japanese voice actors within the English version of the game referring to him as "Narukami-kun" or just calling him by his male given name "Arashi". There are actual traps in the game and yet Arashi is the one who gets the tranny treatment. Why. He's already nonthreatening. Why all the eunuchmaxxing from western fangirls.

No. 2182442

>>2182438
>traps
i know you mean hajime and tori but it pisses me off when people call them traps despite them never crossdressing, they are more like feminine guys

No. 2182443

>>2182422
Honestly don't recommend watching that video all the way through, it's disgusting. If you want to hate the gamedevs all the more look at the comments. I'll take the sexualization of the 90s games and the ps2 games over whatever the fuck that is, at least in the 90s/2000s games a lot of that sexualization happened in the context of ads and not in the games themselves. In the ps2 games the fanservice is just like, a midriff shirt or seeing Lara in a cocktail dress and heels, not snuffcore bullshit.

No. 2182449

>>2182442
nah they’re traps if they can be mistaken for girls. plenty of traps don’t crossdress.

No. 2182451

>>2181515
Even so, I swear "female samurai" has been an insanely popular trope for YEARS now, along with female ninja. Anti-woke speds like to pretend that media didn't exist until 2016 kek

No. 2182453

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>>2182422
Wtf why are so many comments like 'not my proudest fap' or 'new fetish unlocked'

No. 2182462

>>2182438
Isn’t Arashi called “she” in the english ver? I think their VA talked about their identity struggles and even from the first original game Arashi was always referred to as “big sister”. and openly talked about gender issues in the japanese script. Not saying any of this is good, but there actually is canon long running reasons why Arashi gets the troon treatment.
t. massive Reifag

No. 2182465

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No. 2182467

>>2182465
> Sadism is an integral part of male sexuality
I mean, at least this one is honest I guess

No. 2182478

>>2182422
Maybe I'm crazy but this is so much more insidious to me than just a sexy nude ad

No. 2182485

>>2182462
the big sister trope is like the okama trope, it doesn’t signal a desire to become a woman. i don’t feel struggling with your femininity or masculinity is a troon unique thing either. japan’s so free with these themes because they generally don’t have any delusions about men actually becoming women or vice versa

No. 2182488

>>2182438
Arashi is just a lost cause among the EN fanbase. Like >>2182462 says there are canon reasons but I just drink the milk from his rabid fans, they're always so predictable and entitled.
t. massive Mikafag

No. 2182493

>>2182485
That’s true, it is confirmed by Japanese speakers that he does speak like a really feminine gay man. However, there is the entirety of the gray area where he calls himself a woman in several “official” and non-official translations (what the english speaking fanbase relied on for many years). It is definitely undeniable that Arashi struggles with gender conformity though and doesn’t like to be seen as manly.
>>2182488
>Mikafag
Based and agreed with what you said. Arashi’s interpretations vary hugely with both sides of the fanbase.

No. 2182494

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>>2182465
Thank you for putting this hideous collage together. A nona said that Lara probably had a lot of porn from people reusing the 3d assets but the base game alone works well enough for a lot of guys evidently. I think its worse for a man to be cooming to nu-Lara for the specific way she gets sexualized in the new trilogy.

>>2182478
Exactly. And if you ignore the ads the old games were really not that sexual in and of themselves and the death scenes are not nearly as bad (generally quick, many are bloodless or are 'off-screened'). I would feel comfortable giving the original ps1 games or the ps2 games to a little girl.

I was trying to find any footage or scenes from the old games that felt as grimy as the newer games and wasn't having much luck but I did find this from the Tomb Raider forums. Poor Clare.

No. 2182500

>>2182465
God everytime I think men can't be worse, they make sure to prove me wrong.
Ib4 they back their sickness with "it's just fictional!!", which would be kinda believable it they weren't getting off to snuff in HQ graphics. They look too realistic to not believe they wouldn't seek out actual real-life images (or worse, do it themselves)

No. 2182504

>>2182438
He got trooned because he talks in okama lingo which includes calling himself "onee-san", which is the same as english-speaking effeminate gay men jokingly calling each other "sisters". Gendies also thought the way he refers to himself as "atashi" means he's a woman even though Japanese pronouns aren't gendered and "atashi" is more accurately described as baby talk as a way to appear cuter and more approachable when used by an adult person either female or male, similar to something an expression like "little old me". I remember when a Japanese enstars fan was trying to explain all of this to the tards on Twitter she got called a transphobe by a bunch of 14-year olds dogpiling on her and made to delete her account. It's a shame the official English release bent to their will and agreed to refer to him as a trans woman.

No. 2182515

>>2182449
Plenty of male characters get mistaken for girls in canon and they arent considered traps either

No. 2182516

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>>2182465
I feel bad for these things' mothers. I hope they all kill themselves.

No. 2182522

>>2182319
Sorry but she's right, "teenage malnourished faggot femboy twinks" do in fact have higher T and peak sperm quality. M-muh skuleenity isn't the male reproductive peak or ideal, it's literally just the first signs of age related decline.

No. 2182533

>>2182465
The funny part is that if a woman was making the exact same points, the very same moids would be bleating "not all men" and "wtf where do you find men like this".

No. 2182537

>>2182533
I've never seen whump as unhinged as this shit

No. 2182541

>>2182516
is this real? wtf

No. 2182542

>>2182537
I've seen guro art of Nicki Minaj. Trust me there is always worse.

No. 2182546

>>2182541
NTA it's not, it's from the class of 09 games

No. 2182557

>>2182465
there was a chinese gore artist that was sent to labour camp by the ccp because he drew a little girl getting her mouth turned into a mutilated vagina. These guys deserve the same fat as that moid.

No. 2182558

>>2182138
All his R34 draws him as a femboy though, so it definitely falls under that category.

No. 2182561

>>2182557
>labour camp
fucking based, we should use that as a punishment more often

No. 2182574

>>2182558
yeah it should be obvious that an elf explicitly designed to be androgynous would get called a femboy kek

No. 2182589

>>2180672
>>2180731
tbh assad is kind of cute

No. 2182630

>>2182422
>Conan tv spot where he played the game (with one of the gamedevs)
Conan O'brien? If so, that wasn't one of the devs, that was one of his crew members. Either way it showed how she was still supposed to be a sexy object for men. Just because they changed the flavor or sexualization by sprinkling gore and a different personality, doesn't mean her previous fake girlboss persona was more respected. It's not surprising to see her on the list, differently from pokemon which were never meant to be sexual, she was and still is designed to appeal. It's not a fandom issue more of a misoginy on video games.
>>2182443
>>2182494
The original games were made for Playstation 1, not 2. They were so close to treating her like a playboy bunny back then. You might think it's better, but honestly, I wouldn't put past them for doing the same if they had the technology, they sure were eager to advertise that. It's insane we would even have to pick what type of misoginy we can take and applaud one over the other. Men are insidious and a cancer, but before being appaled by their reaction to gore porn in the game, who put that in the game to begin with? This isn't a fandom problem, sorry.

No. 2182675

>>2182558
No it isn't? Just because a bunch of retards into teenage girls decided they wanted to troon out link, doesn't mean he's a feminine guy, it's like saying that all my little pony characters are trannies because there's tranny porn of them all.

No. 2182683

>>2182443
The mix of fetishism with the anti-feminism thought that was starting to pop up at the time of the game's release >>2182465 really comes together to create a cesspool of a comment section. Men are a disease upon this world.

No. 2182756

>>2182630
The original trilogy was for ps1 but they made another for ps2. The advertising for the ps2 trilogy wasn't nearly as bad as it was for the first one (though the technology was there for finally give her cleavage). You're free to disagree but I was able to enjoy those games because the games themselves (separate from advertising) are fairly clean, midriff crop-tops aside. The games in the ps2 trilogy all had a T-rating which is why the violence and death animations are so soft.

And you are correct about the Conan interview, it was his friend not one of the devs but uh their comments are still crass and gross. I will post the interview with Rob Rosenberg (one of the producers) in the next comment.

No. 2182763

>>2182756
>In the past, Lara Croft didn't need protecting. She was a fearless daredevil, a crack shot in short shorts with enough attitude to scare off a pack of bloodthirsty gorillas.

>But in the upcoming Tomb Raider reboot, things will be different. She hasn't become that woman yet. And executive producer Ron Rosenberg says you'll want to keep her safe.


>"When people play Lara, they don't really project themselves into the character," Rosenberg told me at E3 last week when I asked if it was difficult to develop for a female protagonist.


>"They're more like 'I want to protect her.' There's this sort of dynamic of 'I'm going to this adventure with her and trying to protect her.'"


>So is she still the hero? I asked Rosenberg if we should expect to look at Lara a little bit differently than we have in the past.


>"She's definitely the hero but— you're kind of like her helper," he said. "When you see her have to face these challenges, you start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character."


>"The new Lara Croft isn't just less battle-hardened; she's less voluptuous. Gone are her ridiculous proportions and skimpy clothing. This Lara feels more human, more real. That's intentional, Rosenberg says.


>"You start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character."


>"The ability to see her as a human is even more enticing to me than the more sexualized version of yesteryear," he said. "She literally goes from zero to hero… we're sort of building her up and just when she gets confident, we break her down again."


>In the new Tomb Raider, Lara Croft will suffer. Her best friend will be kidnapped. She'll get taken prisoner by island scavengers. And then, Rosenberg says, those scavengers will try to rape her.


>"She is literally turned into a cornered animal," Rosenberg said. "It's a huge step in her evolution: she's forced to either fight back or die."


>It's some dark material, the type of content you might not expect from an action-adventure game like Tomb Raider. But Rosenberg isn't worried about alarming people too much. He says players will see right away that this is a darker, "more mature" version of Lara's story. He compared it to the origin story of a comic book like Spider-Man or Batman, saying he thinks it "has that feel to it."


>"We're not trying to be over the top, shock people for shock's sake," he said. "We're trying to tell a great origin story."


UGH. Now you too can experience the controversy that got fans riled up in over 10 years ago.

No. 2182779

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I don't know if this belongs here, but I always find it funny when asian artists either draw white people as super demure and ethereal creatures or as giant monstrous beasts(both are done for fetish reasons). They can't ever just depict them as normal people who maybe a bit taller than asians

No. 2182783

>>2182779
I think that’s fair tbh, given the way westerners often portray Asian women.

No. 2182784

>>2182779
based asian artists fetishizing crackers(racebaiting)

No. 2182791

>>2182779
tbf the former is a fantasy that disappears when they actually meet a white person. I remember korea twitter going crazy when they saw this teenage russian model and realized he was quite tall and apparently was 'awkward' looking next to koreans. also if you're a white woman above 5'" wearing heels, asian guys will stare but never approach you

No. 2182794

>>2182756
I pointed out it was made for ps1 because of how limited the console was compared to nowadays. They put real effort into making her tits. I wouldn't trust their depiction of previous versions as better, because who knows what else they would have done, actually the ads hint on what they would have done. The ending of Tomb raider 2 was her in a robe getting ready to shower. The intent was always there, even if hidden by some joke. I'm not here to argue about women enjoying the games or not, I grew up with games from this era and enjoyed many of them which looking back were probably doghsit. I'm not judging you or other women who liked Lara or saying it's right or wrong to like her because each person has their unique experiences and point of view and I respect that. I'm just criticizing the decisions around the characters and pointing that the advertisements were part of the creation. We didn't have acess to the internet the same way we do now, these magazine ads were releveant at that time. These issues for Tomb raider come from the creators themselves, they fueled this misoginy and sexualization, this is a good discussion to have in the sexism in video games thread imo, not as much as a fandom issue.
>their comments are still crass and gross
They absolutely were. I agree with you. I think he was hyping up a perv character for the comedic effect, but it's the same as putting Lara in a robe to take a shower as a ending scene. People will say it's just a joke.
>>2182763
I was very much around at this time and these were the reasons I didn't play that game. I think you could bring these posts to the sexism in videogames thread, it suits the discussion better than the fandom thread. As disgusting as the 'fandom' (the allegedly fans that are just horny men) is, I think they are reflecting an issue present in the game and the official content around it. Just being clear, I'm not saying her having cleavage in the earlier games is the same as soft gore porn, I'm just saying it doesn't surprise me they couldn't help but keep sezualizing her again and again. I don't want to derail this thread when we have a better thread for it, nonna, but I agree and empathize with your sentiment of how depraved it was to turn her into a helpless woman being brutalized and that it's a downgrade from sexy girbloss to that.

No. 2182801

>>2182791
Ntayrt, but do you have screencaps? I'm desperate to see this sm lol

No. 2182807

>>2182801
I'm sorry, this was around 2019 and so you're going to take my word for it, but there are tons of 'chinese/korean foreigner' interviewers and they always seem obsessed with the looks and height of white people (especially if they're white kids)

No. 2182814

>>2182807
Ngl, this happened where I'm from too. I'll chalk it down as fascination more than anything because Asian people as a whole (I hate to sound like Asian ppl are soooo cute and small uwu) are pretty smaller/shorter in stature so seeing how tall ppl can be, strikes them as something interesting to look at.

No. 2182832

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>>2182763
Apparently the rape mechanic was used to market the game. Based off the reviews online, the long and torturous scenes did fulfill their purpose

No. 2182838

>>2182814
I'm aware that, cause to my dad's job I've lived in a few asian countries and my point was that asian fascination with enteral white people usually ends when they see a white person whose gone through puberty irl, still there's a huge market if your an underage white kid or a buff white person, but never as an actual love interest or regular character

No. 2182852

>>2182832
Ngl I do this sometimes with male characters.
Moids think a male character is a super fag if he's crying when he gets stabbed to death though.

No. 2182856

>>2182832
I've seen the "we want the player to ~feel bad~ and ~protect~ the characters" thing attempted in a few different games, and maybe I'm just an empathetically challenged monster but it seems cringey and I don't get it. I don't hate dying in games because it hurts the protagonist, I hate dying in games because it's annoying and usually undoes at least some of your progress. That's more than enough motivation to git gud. I can't imagine how annoying it would be for every death to be a drawn-out cutscene.

No. 2182861

>>2182832
In the game she wasn't actually raped but there was an implication it could happen, if you failed the check the enemy would just shoot her. In isolation I don't think that scene was bad, but given the context of the luxuriously animated death sequences and the producer's comments that attempted assault scene comes across very badly. It's even worse when you hone in on

>"we're sort of building her up and just when she gets confident, we break her down again."


The reception might have been different if it hadn't been Lara but an entirely new female character. But it wouldn't have been as hot to the devs apparently, because tearing down a confident woman was the appeal. I don't have any hope for future Tomb Raider games unless the IP is given to a different studio.

No. 2182869

>>2182861
This was also the era when "deconstructions" were popular, so edgy tryhard shit like this was abundant.

No. 2182878

>>2182794
I think it fits in the context of this thread if only to compare how her fandom has changed. People that liked the old Lara dislike the newer games, the character is completely different and so is the gameplay. I wonder how successful the approach actually was, the new trilogy saw sales decline with every game and any online discussion of the trilogy is plagued by people complaining about Lara's characterization.

>>2182852
>>2182856
I do think this is a thing, 'hurt/comfort' exists after all. My impression of the games however is that there's no comfort. The games (and the marketing) focus so strongly on the hurt, seeing Lara suffering is the appeal. It's also just a really weird direction for an escapist fantasy character. I'm not sure if 'protectiveness' is something that you can easily do in a character action game anyway, people bitch endlessly about escort missions where the whole goal is to protect another character.

No. 2182893

>>2182878
The uwu hurt girl stuff is only in act 1. After that she's murdering people, animals, and supernatural beings everywhere. At the time people were even making fun of it because she went from feeling sad butchering a deer to becoming the terminator in a timespan of like 2 days.

No. 2182899

>>2182779
Please share pics of asian artists drawing white people as “monstrous beasts,” I’ve only ever seen the ethereal daintyblonde depictions.

No. 2182905

>>2182893
Same issue as Nathan Drake. Games like that don't benefit from trying to be so realistic. Even without the uwu hurt girl stuff it's weird.

No. 2182917

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>>2182899
Old Japanese art of white westerners are something

No. 2182919

>>2182899
I wouldn't describe it as "monstrous" but Monster takes place in 80's Germany and the white characters are drawn very realistically.

No. 2182921

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No. 2182931

>>2182779
This is some ugly man psych-op shit

No. 2182932

>>2182905
Exactly, you can either have a deep gritty character study about the vulnerabilities and tolls of adventure, or you can have an action game where the goal is to slaughter your way through hordes of enemies while doing gold medal gymnastics, you can't have both at the same time kek

No. 2182950

>>2182917
>>2182921
Apparently the Japanese who first encountered Europeans said they had "eyes like dogs" KEK

No. 2182978

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>>2182899
not all so monstrous but in death note, the american spk has some examples

No. 2182984

>>2182950
KEK ngl as a Euro I fully understand

No. 2182994

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>>2182917
I meant something more modern lol but this is pretty funny. I like how the guy on the right is just a Japanese person with a beard. Here’s one where the white guy has a hilariously long nose.

No. 2183053

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>>2182994
nta but shounen series portray white characters with hyper-realistic details and often depict them as super buff. I think it's mostly because shounen authors main exposure to white people was from action movies

No. 2183091

>>2182899
>>2182779
I had a cousin who lived in japan for a while and he isn't european but he's a lighter-skinned middle eastern guy with brown hair and he told me that when he lived there, japanese people were really obsessed with him (but only when he was a teenager), girls, women and guys were always following him around but as he grew older the obsession suddenly stopped, he told me that but that was the experience of most foreign guys who grew up in japan

No. 2183099

>>2182994
is this historical yaoi

No. 2183113

>>2182994
>that japanese hairstyle

No. 2183114

>>2182856
>I can't imagine how annoying it would be for every death to be a drawn-out cutscene.
So many games used to be like that. Filled with scenes for game over. Maybe I would feel bad the first time, but by the time I saw it the third or fourth time it felt like this was part of the punishment for failing and I would spam the skip button in anger kek.

No. 2183122

We already discussed this some time back, but japan (and most east asian nations) ideal is not a white person but a hapa, specifically one with an asian father and a white mother, the majority of 'white' character that aren't stereotypes are usually just asians with dyed hair and contacts, this isn't just my observation, sociologists have written about this and you can see it in media, like in japan halfu actors are vastly over-represented in media
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/22/asia/japan-mixed-roots-hafu-dst-hnk-intl/index.html

No. 2183136

>>2183091
I've seen this exact same post on lc about 4 times now. How much do you post about this cousin kek

No. 2183145

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>>2182994
japanese feudal hairstyles are beyond ugly

No. 2183146

>>2183145
the first two are actually very cute

No. 2183149

>>2183145
Second-to-last would be fine without the weird hairline

No. 2183154

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>>2183146
what about now

No. 2183156

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No. 2183157

>>2179548
Kek at the retard posting real actors

No. 2183158

>>2183145
Some of these are made by bald men who are on a very high dose of copium.

No. 2183167

>>2183145
You see how sad all of them look? It's because they had to sport these hairstyles.

No. 2183174

>>2183145
You just know this was pushed by a leader who wanted to hide his hairline

No. 2183228

>>2182856
They're lying. They're appealing to ugly, resentful, vengeful moids and they know it. Can't believe anyone's buying the whole "protect" narrative.

No. 2183395

>>2178919
You know they've been in echochambers for so long when they start seeing very normal things, reading romance which have been published for centuries, as a derranged kink kek.

No. 2183723

>>2182763
>In the new Tomb Raider, Lara Croft will suffer. Her best friend will be kidnapped. She'll get taken prisoner by island scavengers. And then, Rosenberg says, those scavengers will try to rape her.
Of course. I want to a-log so bad, kill all moids. And men still have the audacity to say "but if it was the other way around??" when a male character is barely sexualized for once while shit like this is just the tip of the iceberg of misogyny in media

No. 2183778

>>2183156
>damn i messed up we gotta go bald
>>2179590
did not expect this crossover

No. 2183781

>>2179590
when this guy said he was autistic in one of his videos, I thought he was joking

No. 2184106

>>2182763
>"She's definitely the hero but— you're kind of like her helper," he said. "When you see her have to face these challenges, you start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character."
>"The ability to see her as a human is even more enticing to me than the more sexualized version of yesteryear," he said. "She literally goes from zero to hero… we're sort of building her up and just when she gets confident, we break her down again."
Fucking LORD. I agree with the other anon who said that at least her being put in a cocktail dress for fanservice wasn't as bad as this sick torture porn level garbage. This is just one step above all those Newgrounds flash games where you were torturing a celebrity. I remember when this game came out and goobergoots were pissed that she wasn't the sexy bombshell of the 90's and it must be the woke agenda but they completely failed to realize that this was moidpandering in an entirely another, more sick way.

No. 2184295

>>2184106
Why can't female video game characters be cool and dress cool instead of being cool and gooner bait or looking cool and acting like a retard. I thought I was some pickme for not liking the reboots. I now know this was nothing more than torture porn disguised as "female empowerment".

No. 2184300

>>2182453
I'm getting revenge for Lara by going on videos of male characters getting killed in games and talking about how hot it is

No. 2184302


No. 2184329

>>2183099
>japanese guy raping russian guy ukiyo-e

No. 2184507

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this isn't really discourse i guess but the ranfren author has it made. if i ever get the stuff out that i want to create, i also hope any fanbase i cultivate is purely eastern-based. no trannies, no moralfaggotry, just fanart and fun as far as i can tell

No. 2184514

>>2184507
>just fanart and fun
You’ve clearly never been in an eastern fandom space KEK

No. 2184518

>>2184507
you didnt see the nyen yume bloodwars did you?

No. 2184531

>>2184507
One of the videogame fanartists I follow had to lock her account because she tagged one of her tweets wrongly.
She got a comission from a Vtuber to use on her said videogame streams, artist tagged the comm as the Vtuber name rather than the dedicated fanart tag.
She received a bunch of hate mail and people complaining under the post, eastern fandoms are super autistic when it comes to tagging, CWs and such. Also over plagiarism, do something with a similar pose as another art and they will harass you as well.

No. 2184537

>>2184514
>>2184531
i was specifically referring to the ranfren fandom space when i described it as 'fanart and fun' – i get that eastern fandoms have their own form of drama, but i'd rather see slap fights over stuff like tags than claims that something someone personally dislikes is a moral wrong

No. 2184541

>>2184507
This awoke something in me

No. 2184588

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>>2184537
a famous ranfren artist called @Luca_LoveSeb was harassed by ranfren gendies who equated picrel to being "pedophilia" despite the artist clearly stating she ages up the characters the funny part of all this that most of them were shotafags themselves calling her out kekk

No. 2184641

>>2184507
this art is nasty please spoiler next time, it belongs in the bad art thread

No. 2184647

>>2184588
yeah exactly. i doubt eastern ranfren artists would harass someone on the basis of their work being too icky wicky

No. 2184650

>>2184588
whats even the point of making the only conventionally attractive character underage, why are tifs like this

No. 2184660

>>2184507
Being completely honest, the cutest/closest female fandom I've seen was for an isekai.
It was a very niche crowd so not much drama outside tracing for other more popular franchises is possible.

No. 2184675

>>2184588
>>2184507
This shit’s ugly as hell

No. 2184704

>>2184588
they're probably just mad because the crying boy doesn't have tit scars kek

No. 2184707

>>2184675
Pathetic men/male humiliation art comes in three flavors
>men are still pretty, but they have sad expressions
>men look genuinely pathetic and kinda smelly
>men are getting ryona'd

No. 2184714

>>2184707
>based
>only tifs find this attractive
>based

No. 2184718

>>2184714
There are other places where you can post about submissive trad missionary sex with your Nigel where you don't orgasm.(derailing)

No. 2184721

>>2184714
2 and 3 are usually together unless it's shota but 1 is more mainstream.

No. 2184727

>>2184718
Did you misread my post or something

No. 2184733

>>2184727
I read it perfectly fine
>ANYONE WHO LIKES A SUBMISSIVE MAN IS MY TRANNY BOOGEYMAN REEEEE(derailing)

No. 2184736

you guys are really stupid. why do i keep coming here

No. 2184737

>>2184733
i never said this, learn to read. I just said the ''smelly old man rat malewife uwu'' crap is usually only liked by tifs.

No. 2184739

>>2184737
Stop lying when you're posts are already right there for everyone to see

No. 2184740

>>2184739
re-read them…

No. 2184741

>>2184727
Ntaryt but I'm guessing it's because men who are pretty still keep their dignity as men. "humiliation" for many means they should look actually look pathetic, lower than human.
Looking graceful and dignified even if they're meant to be lower than dirt, humiliated and pathetic, can be seen as a trad thing.

No. 2184743

>when you're posts

No. 2184748

>>2184741
i never understood the appeal oh how that is humilliating for a man, no man is humilliated for looking dirty, its even encouraged. I would say that making him be pretty is actually more humilliating since most men bully pretty boy and its not seen as accepted by scrotes.

No. 2184752

>>2184748
Eh, I've seen enough moid reactions to things to know they think the ugly crying disgusting looking dude is more genuinely humiliating than a dignified pretty boy that stays strong and pretty despite being bullied.

No. 2184754

>>2184752
Should add, *seperate from a fetish.
They can fetishize the later so while it's "humiliation", it's something they can also get off to.

No. 2184755

>>2184752
this isnt true, ugly rat boys are literally shilled as attractive nowadays. Plus whats the fun in bullying an ugly guy, i will never understand that. I think most women into guys like that are self inserter tifs. Kaneoya has a massive tif audience because she draws ugly rat men.

No. 2184757

>>2184755
Everything online has a gendie audience tbf. What counts is if Kaneoya a tif considering she's the one actually drawing it because she likes it.

No. 2184758

>>2184757
never said that, just said that specific kind of safe horny men attracts tifs like shit to flies. I like kaneoya's art even if i dont find her guys attractive, and i have supported her by buying her artbooks.

No. 2184763

File: 1727554592679.jpg (1.16 MB, 720x1200, 112739183_p0_master1200.jpg)

FUCK UGLY MEN AND FUCK TRANNIES FOR SHILLING THEM

No. 2184765

>>2184755
Stupid retards like you try to slap the tif label on anything they like forgetting that shit is also what women like because you forgot tifs and women somewhere along the line. Kaneoya probably has more non-gendie fans total but one retarded section of the fanbase is enough for you to start bashing the whole genre of art.

No. 2184766

>>2184763
damn this would be good if the artist didnt put all her skill points into rendermaxxing and instead learned anatomy

No. 2184767

>>2184758
And pretty boys attract tifs as much, also wouldnt they be safe horny too?
The only thing that wouldn't be safe horny in this context is the ryona/gore option and "pretty boy" shota.

No. 2184768

>>2184765
calm down its really well known that tifs love that type of art, tumblr sexy men originated from tumblr for a reason. If you like it is fine i just think its stupid to justify it behind ''umm ackshually its more humilliating for the man'' when its not true.

No. 2184769

>>2184763
>>2184768
Why is the ugly man psych ops group mad about this? Humiliation/pathetic man fetish is a niche and fucked up fetish to begin with.

No. 2184772

>>2184767
No, safe horny is stuff that doesn't threaten moids ego. Drawing ugly men is safe and boring. Its like drawing a straight ship with a dominant man and doormat woman.

No. 2184773

>>2184763
This would be good if the shoe was practical. I the woman is in more pain than the man.

No. 2184777

>>2184773
A nike shoe to the chest wouldnt hurt tho.

No. 2184780

>>2184772
Then pretty anime men are also safe horny? Like, I doubt men would be more "endangered" by what looks like an average anime male >>2184763

No. 2184782

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>>2184773
True, I interpreted as more of a pain thing than a sexy thing though. I guess something like picrel would be comfortable and practical, but also painful for the moid on the receiving end.

No. 2184786

>>2184780
No, men hate pretty anime men. You should have seen the amount of seething yuri on ice and free generated on /a/ back in the day. Good days. Idk i just dont see the appeal of ugly rat men, to me its more humilliating to the woman.

No. 2184790

>>2184786
It is. Men love it when ugly men fuck pretty women. That's why all their porn is ugly bastard shit. Attractive men make them spiral, just look at all the incels who mindbroke themselves because Chad exists.

No. 2184792

>>2184786
That wasn't because they were pretty nonna, it was because they were gay. Self insert harems like Bakemonogatari has the pretty boy mc getting disemboweled by chicks and they think that's fine. This one >>2178532 gets ED humiliation and gets beaten up by the female characters. They think it's hot but if you bring up how the mc actually looks like on the inside they get really mad and defend about how he changed and looks pretty now.

No. 2184794

>>2184790
kek yeah thats why i find the idea of ''pathetic smelly dirty submissive rat men'' so funny, if you as a woman are dating an ugly man you are the only humilliated one. But to be fair i dont think kaneoya's sachikos art is comparable to maledom art, maledom art comes from a genuine hatred towards women, i dont think kaneoya hates men, she just has a type.

No. 2184797

>>2184792
Moidshit femdom focuses on the woman being objectified, it's not anything like what kaneoya and similar artists make.

No. 2184799

>>2184792
nah i was there it was definetly because they are pretty, men throw tantrums when women like gojo too, for example. I dont think araragi and the guy from the isakai shit are attractive, at least not in the way the free and yoi guys are depicted. Araragi is meant to be more like a sasuke.

No. 2184800

>>2184792
No one fucking cares about your tranny tastes

No. 2184805

>>2184800
>A-actually!! You're being psyopped by men to like hot guys! Y-yeah, that's the real psyop
Seriously it's so fucking funny.

No. 2184807

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>>2184799
>>2184799
Come on now, if they were in a not gay show nonna here would call them generic.

No. 2184808

>>2184777
Okay but male gaze high heels that ruin the spine isn’t sexy. >>2184782 is way better.

No. 2184810

>>2184782
KEK amazing idea nonna, i wish spiky shoes were the standard for situations like these instead of high heels

No. 2184813

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>>2184807
Compared to pic related and >>2178532
In a gay show it would be all "men could never"

No. 2184814

>>2184807
compare them to kirito and they have 10 times more appeal, also the free guy is fit and kirito's a skinnyfat
manlet

No. 2184820

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>>2184814
Kirito is also a 14 year old boy. Even then, they're basically clones at different ages in life.

No. 2184824

I actually never heard the opinion of a moid about Kaneoya's art and I now kinda wanna out of almost scientific interest. But the only guy I interact with is not retarded enough to have strong feelings about female oriented anime men to start with, so I might never know.

No. 2184833

>>2184824
>wants to know a moids opinion on female targeted art
..why. it'll be either some dommy mommy shit or paypig.

No. 2184838

>>2184790
>>2184799
>look at all the incels who mindbroke themselves because Chad exists
This always make me lol, attractive men existing is like mkultra levels of torture for these motherfuckers. You could display even the most subtle amount of attraction towards a hot guy and they’ll seethe over it. I’ll never forget reading that schizopost made by this one incel about how gojo is the embodiment of the “blackpill” just because he’s a tall pretty boy kek.

No. 2184843

>>2184838
reminds me of that moid on an incel forum who said something a long the lines of ''it feels like being forced to swallow thousands of blackpills at once'' once he found out about the UMPO thread kek.

No. 2184848

>>2184843
That sounds funny as hell, was that on looksmaxx.org?

No. 2184849

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>>2184838
Well, the tall part counts.

No. 2184851

>>2184849
The face of a man who raises the male suicide rate, unbelievable.

No. 2184853

>>2184849
it feels like shonen jump art keeps getting uglier and uglier.

No. 2184871

>>2184853
Ichi the Witch looks nice, at least.
Hopefully it won't die.

No. 2184873

>>2184871
Out of all the jump entries, that one got my interest.

No. 2184879

>>2184824
Go ask 4chan/Reddit what they think of it while pretending to be a man

No. 2184882

>>2184871
the female lead is cute and the art is great but i don't think it's going to make it
>weird premise. so witches are only female because historically, it's usually only women who can defeat majicks to get magic, but ONLY a guy could defeat the strongest majick ever…okay
>unable to pander to any group but yurifags (the setting means ichi is probably going to be the only recurrent male so fujos are out, ichi isn't perverted enough of a protagonist so haremfags are out, i've seen dudes seething about how strong-willed the fl is so waifufags will probably be out if that's a trend, etc.)
>first few chapters have been really boring. why was chapter two explaining what happened in chapter one instead of building on the setting at all

No. 2184889

>>2184882
The other stuff aren't great either so I'm still hoping it pulls through into being great.
I want the artist to make it after losing the chance at an anime because of that shitty pedo moid.

No. 2184890

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>>2184853
Only if you only read JJK, sure.

No. 2184895

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The audacity of men and their insistence of invading female fandoms grows by the day. There are already scrotes pissed off that Nikki can't be upskirted in the upcoming game.

No. 2184897

>>2184890
>manga about ugly fat pig with beautiful wife
no, thank you

No. 2184901

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>>2184897
So you don't actually read it, got it. He goes back to being skinny in a lot if not most of his fights.

No. 2184902

>>2184895
you can meme men into anything they are so retarded holy shit. I hope men buy it then get bored when they realize there are only cute outfits instead of coomery ones like stellar blade.

No. 2184903

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>>2184849
The watercolor style brushes gege uses really does his art a disservice, gojo's face looks rubbery, not like skin. Can't believe this and picrel are both official

No. 2184905

>>2184901
ofcourse i am not going to read it with such a retarded plot, i am not sitting through 20 chapters of slop just for some mid guy. It also sounds really fucking boring.

No. 2184906

>>2184890
Too bad it's just fightfaggotry the manga. They should force him to collab with a female writer next time and give something with idk..a story and characters?

No. 2184912

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>>2184903
It also doesn't help that his style has simply degraded a lot over time. He went so long without consistently drawing Gojo that he literally forgot how to which is why he looks so much like a frog during Shinkuju Showdown to the end. His fights got pretty sloppy too around this time.
>>2184905
You're missing out. Sakamoto isn't even the best character and there's better more relevant men in the series.
>>2184906
>Me when I read Shounen Jump (it is literally all fightfaggotry)
Dorohedoro is a better version of Sakamoto Days anyways and it's actually written by a woman. I would recommend Dorohedoro over SD any day of the week but it's not SJ.

No. 2184913

>>2184901
manga looks great, love the premise, love the art. i'm going to start reading it soon because this guy is actually really hot

No. 2184925

>>2184912
everytime i like some fightfaggotry manga it gets canned and worse, shittier versions of fight faggotry get animated. I am pissed. Ryoko was put to rest too soon.

No. 2184927

>>2184763
bdsm is cringe though

No. 2184940

>>2184906
>>2184912
You could try Kagurabachi? The art isn't fantastic but he's clearly trying to appeal to female readers. Yumejo housewives basically saved the manga from getting axed early on. It's actually pretty good, ignore the memes.

>>2184871
Ichi the witch is beautiful but I fear it will become a harem series. The character designs are also really feminine in a way where I don't think it will be engaging to male readers to submit votes for. Ichi's design feels really girly. I hope it gets better though, the female MC is really funny.

No. 2184942

>>2182807
>>2182838
somewhat related, the film stand by me was huge in japan to the point that it has had a noticeable impact on japanese pop culture, shonen and doujin tropes, the entire plot of scarlet and violet is a stand by me reference

No. 2184947

>>2184882
I have faith in it. The writer and artist have had past successes, and wsj just lost two of its heavy hitters. The writer's main manga, Iruma-kun is crazy popular so I have hope in this being successful two.
It's also the only female artist-writer team in WSJ, and has a cute MC on top of that, so I want it to do well

No. 2184951

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>>2184913
Based nonna! I hope you end up liking it. It has a bit of a mundane start but it gets good around 50 and on, which doesn't take long since the chapters are short. Every arc is getting better and better for sure. I hope you end up liking my boy in picrel.
>>2184925
I hate how fast SJ cans shit. It feels like nowadays SJ is the equivalent of what shounen is to trends in the sense that if the reader numbers aren't immediately huge it gets axed. The Hunters Guild: Red Hood is a good example of something that was promising but got axed within months. It was really depressing and it only adds to the awful mangaka work culture.
>>2184940
Kagurabachi is on my list and I've heard great things. I find it funny how fujos saved it because it is undeniable how fujos put in way more fandom work than male readers by buying merch, fanwork, etc. Now that a couple of big past gens just ended like MHA and JJK there will definitely be more eyes on the series.

No. 2184956

>>2184940
Ichi the witch is very girly, it reminds me a lot of shoujo. Come to think of it, it seems like a lot of manga that would've previously been in shoujo manga like dungeon meshi or witch hat atelier are now in shonen/seinen sections. Maybe its because they have plots geared towards action?

No. 2184959

>>2184942
The Pokemon Youtube Channel has so many high quality animations it's honestly ridiculous.

No. 2184960

>>2184956
In part, shounen/seinen magazines seem more popular and much, much more likely to get anime adaptions. That and shounen/seinen mags headhunt for girlish stuff since they want to expand to general audiences.

No. 2184965

>>2184942
what tropes? i had no idea

No. 2184971

>>2184951
At the beginning it was definitely adult yumejos, the MC is one of the few recent MCs that actually has a husbandoable personality. Women were buying multiples of the first volume copies to give out to friends and family. Fujoshi came in around the second arc when the mangaka added in another male character for the MC to interact with. Yumejos and fujos comprise the majority of fan creators making content like art and fanfic and fan merchandise and are the majority of the people buying multiple official goods for stuff like ita-bags and character shrines.

I think it is very good, the first arc is a master class of an opening arc. Biggest downsides being the relative lack of SoL and the art being rough (the mangaka only started drawing manga during the covid lockdowns). The one downside I can see being a nonstarter for people is how the manga is so tightly focused on the MC; I think a lot of modern audiences are used to 'character gacha' with large casts but Kagurabachi is laser focused on it's protagonist so if you don't like him it isn't the manga for you. I'd say to at least finish the first arc which is only 18 chapters before deciding if you want to continue.

>>2184956
>>2184960
iirc shoujo magazines developed tighter and tighter focuses over time. The magazines chose to stop publishing many of the sorts of stories they used to publish in favor of branding themselves around romance. This has been to the magazine's detriment in many cases but apparently Japanese people don't take the demographic labels as seriously as Westerners do. So something like Black Butler is technically published in a shonen magazine but Japanese people are aware mostly women read it.

No. 2184974

>>2184956
>dungeon meshi or witch hat atelier are now in shonen/seinen sections
Dunmeshi and WHA both ran in Harta, which is a seinen magazine which tends to lean into running series with pretty art that are less moidy and have more general demographic appeal.

No. 2184976

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>>2184906
Gokurakugai might be for you then. Honestly I could read it for the art alone, but the character interactions are cute as well. I like alma's antics

No. 2184980

>>2184951
>I hate how fast SJ cans shit.
The SJ of today is extremely lenient compared to the past. The bar for success is much, much lower. In the past even 100k sellers risked the axe because of how competitive it was. Nowadays, 30k sellers are allowed to run for years in the magazine.

No. 2184986

>>2184976
Seconding this recommendation, cute characters and great art. I think it is at it's best when focusing on character interactions. The designs make me think it is female oriented.

No. 2185007

>yumes
>yumejos
>self shippers
Am I a hag? I've been so invested in the culture for a long time, mostly just watching from afar but back in my days we just called it "waifuism" and it was made fun of and they were a joke to the internet. Now teenage girls and adult women are all into the culture now. When did all these new pretty words pop up and when exactly did the culture get bigger?

No. 2185009

>>2185007
When cringe culture died

No. 2185014

>>2185007
They've just become more normie. Finding a fictional character attractive was considered strange at one point (especially for women), but its more normal now. I noticed when the jjk anime came out sentiments about finding male characters attractive seemed to relax.

No. 2185028

>>2184951
>kagurabachi
it's mid, don't bother. lousy magic system + the villains are just scum punks.

No. 2185031

>>2184986
there are boob jokes and multiple "mc is a hag! old hag! hag hag hag!" comments so be warned of that before you go into it. i wanted to like it but that + the overwhelming hetshittiness of it turned me off

No. 2185034

>>2185028
yeah its a really soft magic system either you like that or you don't. I liked the villains though.

No. 2185037

>>2185031
Isn't the author a woman? Why are pickmes like this?

No. 2185041

>>2185031
>>2185037
I think so. I dunno to me it seemed like Tao is a self insert. I don't think the mangaka takes the 'hag' comments seriously, Tao doesn't seem to mind much herself. I think the age difference between Tao and Alma is part of the appeal even if the relationship is purely professional.

No. 2185042

>>2185037
Not a reader but if it's >>2184976 saying it then she might like the "bratty" sort of character.

No. 2185044

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what

No. 2185049

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No. 2185050

>>2185042
Of what I've read so far I don't remember Alma ever calling Tao a hag, it was another female character accusing Alma of liking hags like Tao. Been a while since I've read it though.

No. 2185057

>>2185044
more like trendhopper

No. 2185059

>>2185044
>I'm super special because I consume more than one piece of media at once.

No. 2185061

>>2185037
My guess is they have to integrate to the retarded sexist and pedophilic culture in animanga if they want to sell. I love Dorohedoro which also has a female author yet she still included nude scenes of Ebisu who's like 12-13. Then again they could just be regular pickmes who see nothing wrong with it because they're japanese

No. 2185068

>>2185061
I’m not so sure about that, most japanese editors basically beg their authors to remove nude scenes or adjust the pacing of certain series, given the overall manga culture, I think they’re doing this on their own

No. 2185069

>>2185044
Only liking new shit is a plague

No. 2185076

>>2185061
While Q did add those nudity scenes, it's a known canon fact in the world of Dorohedoro that nude bodies are not viewed as sexual and are mostly ignored/treated as normal even by the male cast. Still weird as fuck that Q did that though not gonna deny that

No. 2185077

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>>2185037
>>2185031
there’s definitely an age gap fetish in the series, considering the author’s age is the same as the female main character, while the male character is realistically drawn as a 15-year-old boy kinda makes thing obvious, I'm not against this btw, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with an older woman dating a younger man or woman

No. 2185098

>>2185034
i don't know if it's because it's soft it's more that the swords are so important. everyone loses their teeth to me if they have to rely on magic tools, who are they and what real threat do they pose if they can't get to their weapon and i have a gun. i couldn't kill sukuna with a gun but i could probably get that loser who was pulling that kid's limbs off or whatever was going on

No. 2185118

>>2185098
The swords are supposed to be the equivalent of nukes thematically. Other characters have their own innate sorcery (all characters are capable of it) but it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I think the base conflict just won't appeal to you if you don't like the swords.

No. 2185121

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>>2184895
…hmmm idk anon i do agree that scrotes like invading female fandoms but i haven't seen this happen for the Nikki franchise. Seems like you've seen one or two scrote there and now you have selection bias. Most Nikki game players are women so i don't understand what you mean by your ''actual audience'' meme…

Either way has any anon done beta testing for the infinity nikki game?

I love platformer and open world games so i may try it out i just hope they don't go crazy with the in-app-purchase features….

No. 2185125

>>2185121
I didn't make that meme, a reddit scrote made it. They've been advertising the game in male-heavy environments like r/gachagaming for months now.

No. 2185128

>>2185031
Anon >>2184976 here. I remember a few of the old hag and boob jokes, but they are few and far between, especially after chapter 7

No. 2185129

>>2185077
>>2185061
lol so the hag jokes are there to reinforce the age gap between Tao and Alma because the mangaka likes that apparently. Doubt anything will actually happen between the characters though.

No. 2185135

>>2185125
oh i didn't know about it, that sucks since Nikki is made for women and young girls. I hope scrotes don't take over it just like they have taken over other things like mlp.
That's disappointing….

No. 2185141

>>2185135
also samefag just do add but were random scrotes doing it or were people the people working for Nikki ? Because if it's the people who work at Nikki doing it then im never touching that game. If you don't respect your female consumers by trying to bring in a moid audience then you don't deserve my money or other womens for that matter.

No. 2185143

>>2185121
>your ''actual audience'' meme…
NTA but that's obviously not her own picture, she got it from somewhere else. Meaning that there are some moids out there that played this game and made their own little community with their own inside jokes about it.

>>2184824
I've seen a pic of a disgusting moid cosplaying a Kaneoya piece (male pickme?). I don't enjoy thinking about it one bit.

>>2184772
>Drawing [any character I don't personally find attractive] is safe and boring.
>NOOOO YOU MUST MAKE SURE TO ALWAYS DRAW THINGS THAT WILL MAKE SCROTES SEETHE!!!
Seriously? This deserves derailing the whole thread? You don't even understand the difference between a weird girl drawing an ugly character in a way she finds cute, and a scrote making guro-tier ugly bastard hentai where all the focus is on the woman. If you don't understand that, you don't even have a right to fight over which pretty boy in anime is "objectively" ugly or attractive.

No. 2185146

>>2184824
Doublepost, but I remember seeing their opinion about her art on /ic/ once. They said it reeked of mental illness (which tbf it does because of the trippy vibes), but that was it IIRC.

No. 2185151

>>2185141
They've been doing some big name promo circuits with Sony and had a booth at Tokyo Games Show recently and their trailers get posted on the official PlayStation channels. I think they're just trying to utilize the biggest advertisement opportunities they have since it's a high investment game that needs returns. Unfortunately, the audience for most of these game showcase streams tends to include very unsavory scrotes.

No. 2185154

>>2185141
Eh, with Asian games like this I can't fully blame them for what the western branch does because of the language barrier makes it hard to know, they've gotten away with shit before.

No. 2185156

>>2185143
>Drawing [any character I don't personally find attractive] is safe and boring.
>NOOOO YOU MUST MAKE SURE TO ALWAYS DRAW THINGS THAT WILL MAKE SCROTES SEETHE!!!
this sums up like every single argument about taste that happens here kek. if it's not a sticky sickly "bishie" with same face disease then it's bad

No. 2185168

>>2185156
And it has to be the exact bishie that anon likes or else it's ugly bastard-tier. Anons that infight about which popular anime boy is "actually" attractive or "actually" ugly sound nitpicky as fuck, but in reality it's all because other women like characters they don't personally wanna fuck. Mental illness.

No. 2185171

>>2185168
It's good practice to nitpick the fuck out of male appearances actually. Hopefully we can transition away from bashing women for nasolabial folds and start bashing men instead.

No. 2185173

>>2185156
We have resident spergs who argue over the same points on repeat.
>>2185168
Kek yes, even among the bishies there's no consensus, but there's no point in stating the obvious. Every time this was said someone would go
>I think it's same to assume x is widely liked!
Then 10 minutes later someone is sperging how x is actaully ugly or boring and so on.

No. 2185174

>>2185171
Then nitpick real men instead of literal bishonen with large female fanbases, some of us never even bashed other women for their looks in the first place.

No. 2185176

>>2185174
This isn't a husbandofag safe space.

No. 2185188

>>2185171
The original point was that an artist isn't sending tif energy just because she has a weird pathetic men fetish. No men give a shit about her art unless they think retro is cool. she's just living her life, apparently the wrong way.

No. 2185190

>>2185176
It's not a retard safe space either. You're the ones turning every conversation about fictional characters into a retarded nitpick fight to see who has the most moral and feminist taste in anime boys, don't be an idiot.

No. 2185198

>>2185171
I don't care if a guy has nasolabial folds cause I have nasolabial folds. They aren't inherently ugly.

No. 2185200

>>2185190
>It's not a retard safe space either.
it absolutely is now, farmhands love it when people hop on a high horse and decry everything as an ugly man psyop or moidshit or (buzzword here).

No. 2185302

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Larasisters, we fucking LOST.

Amy Hennig, THE Amy Hennig, previously worked for Crystal Dynamics (Tomb Raider devs) and made her pitch for the Tomb Raider reboot and was rejected. She then left Crystal Dynamics to join Naughty Dog to become the head writer and creative director of . . . the Uncharted series.

FUCK FUCKING FUCK imagine how GOOD Tomb Raider would have been under Amy's directorial vision! We were fucking ROBBED. Instead of the based Amy Hennig Lara we got the guro porn joyless Lara.(integrate)

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No. 2185380

>>2185363
[(Psy)ch]ological operations.

No. 2185386

>>2182779
>why did this one Japanese artist draw this guy from COD, who is well-known and drawn in the West as a huge, muscular man, as a huge, muscular man?
>must be racism!
Are you guys retarded

No. 2185412

>>2185121
I'm praying to God the girly shit deters moids from ever playing this game because I don't ever want them too. They ruined one property, and they won't ruin another again. Though worst case we get troops into it which might be worse.

No. 2185429

>>2185412
It never deters them, they don’t really care about stuff like that. There’s no like male equivalent to “eww this shooter is so Grey and dull”.

No. 2185445

>>2185302
Your post reminds me that I always found the devs/writers discussions in fandoms a bit weird. More often than not I see fans projecting what they want into them or looking for culprits. Of course, in this case, it's pretty obvious that almost anything else would have been better than the torture porn fetish Tomb Raider. But who knows what tomb raider under Amy Hennig would have been either. I see this discussion very often in one of my fandoms and people are convinced they know what a dev wanted and would have done, only for them to give interviews and say the extreme opposite of what people believe. Makes me wonder if people use the producers to back up their opinions or if they genuinely care about their views at all.

No. 2185622

>>2185129
In a modern western comic this would probably the case, but it's actually kinda obvious they are gonna end up together

No. 2185691

>>2184882
I tried reading it but the shounenfag in me just didn't get into the story, it was nice to see a series with lots of female characters but in the end it was the male lead who got the strongest power and is being led around by a bunch of women so eh, there's a strong chance of it going harem coomermode in the future since it's obvious they're not going for the fujobucks either. A lot of women who read it mainly think Ichi is cute but I didn't find him that interesting of a character, came off as a very Shounen Jump moid self insert-esque.

No. 2185850

>>2185622
Guess I have to get caught up because I didn't get that impression.

No. 2186019

>>2185412
why would girly shit deter moids when they love femininity? the only thing that will deter them, maybe, is that it can’t really easily be sexualized. maybe.

No. 2186075

>>2185156
Coming here and seeing like 3 different flavors of shippers fight with each other(Fujos, Yumes, and whatever the Yuri fandom calls themselves) can be exhausting at time. Like damn, we get it, you all hate each other.

No. 2186083

>>2185156
>complains about women who dislike ugly male characters
>calls bishies ''stickly and sickly''
so which is it? are you against women nitpicking male characters or is it only when its characters you like?

No. 2186089

>>2185121
Most of Nikki's fanbase across all three games(?) seem to be women from what I gather back when I played it. Speaking of Infinity Nikki, I really do wonder why they felt the need to go open world for this one other than wanting to capitalize on the trend of open world gachas.

No. 2186090

>>2186075
I am all 3

No. 2186097

>>2185691
I think most readers are going off the author and artist's prior work/experience, the author wrote Iruma before this, which is considered to be fairly omnipandering and balances a wide cast. Lots of crossdressing though.

No. 2186106

>>2186083
Haphazard guess, they are tired of only one look but are also tired at the complaining when it's not that one look.

No. 2186116

>>2186106
ugly men in media are dime a dozen. If anything attractive male characters are the minority, specially outside anime.

No. 2186126

>>2186116
Looking through this thread, there's no scale and it's not even about men. Its thing I like good, thing other women like bad.

No. 2186200

>>2186126
>Its thing I like good, thing other women like bad.
This is a sign of female autism last time I checked.

No. 2186207

>>2186126
No, its ''stop claiming you are opressed when non conventional, non bishie men are dime a dozen in media''. Its like crying that there are too many big titty waifus in the world.

No. 2186231

>>2186207
If ugly men are a dime a dozen, how come you seem to only be complaining about the one women made for themselves and like instead of, you know, actual men?

No. 2186237

>>2186231
I do both. They are not mutually exclusive you know.

No. 2186248

>>2185044
as an ex mario autist that was really deep into the fandom, only being into one mario game is really weird. wtf is a "super mario wonder" fandom?

No. 2186252

>>2182416
had the wii in small crt in an office room so they never saw me using it kek stupidly got caught looking up naked pictures of Justin Timberlake on the family computer because i didnt know what erasing history was though

No. 2186269

File: 1727628026840.gif (1.49 MB, 1500x1500, 1723117646045.gif)

>>2186252
>stupidly got caught looking up naked pictures of Justin Timberlake
kekkkkkk

No. 2186355

>>2186075
>whatever the Yuri fandom calls themselves
Uncultured

No. 2186371

>>2184895
I find it so annoying when men are in women dominated fandoms. Something about it just feel so wrong but I don’t understand why I feel this way

No. 2186374

>>2186371
Its called invasion for a reason. Moids can keep their pedo groups to themselves but one female only group? Noo can't have that now can we? It's the same reason they invade little girl fandoms because they know they can groom children

No. 2186378

>>2182422
I met one of the devs for this game back in game school, he was an instructor. He said the development was so tough on the team that by the end they all hated Lara and took joy in planning sadistic ways to kill her. The deaths look that way on purpose. At the time I was not fazed but looking back, this is insane.

No. 2186381

>>2186378
>projecting hatred for their bosses onto fictional women

No. 2186386

>>2182494
I've played TR1 and 2, I'm playing TR3 right now and nope, I can't recall any scenes in the games where I've felt that Lara was either sexualised or a damsel in distress. Anytime she gets caught, she (or better you as the player) rescues herself and continues on her journey. If you switched Lara with a male character, the game would barely change which for me indicates that her sex doesn't actually matter.

What I really liked about Lara is that she's SELFISH. She goes on adventures because she loves it (and writes about them, that's how she makes her money lol). Not because of a guy, not because she wants to save the world. And funny enough, she does "save" the world but only because she fucks up before lol. Her appearance is just the cherry on top, I'm more delighted by her sarcastic nature. She's tough, she gets shit done, she'll kill you when she needs to but she's never sinister. And tbh, if her breasts are such a distraction, they could have made them smaller and that's about it. In the end, she's a power fantasy character, not a real human being.

The classic lara would never say "I hate tombs" no matter the context. The nu lara is just another coomer bait for moids who are fantasizing about a YOUNGER Lara who is helpless and gets killed in the most cruesome ways. Whoever decided to make her death scenes so gory in the new triologie needs to be shot. This person definetely has real gore on his harddrive and needs to be eliminated.

/sorry for any spelling mistakes

No. 2186428

>>2186083
you're mixing me up with other anons, that was my first post wrt the slapfight. it's just dumb that the only guys you can post on lolcow (note nowhere else seethes as much) without having someone jump down your throat for them being too feminine or roidpiggy or male-pandering or whatever are boring bishonen. bishonen aren't exactly rare or obscure, by the way. they're literally everywhere.

No. 2186443

>>2186428
the husbando thread literally has a rule saying you cant shit on others husbandos

No. 2186448

>>2186443
yeah and i'm totally sure that rule would be obeyed if i posted astolfo or something. whatever.
>inb4 astolfo mention causes a seethefest

No. 2186456

>>2186448
>yeah and i'm totally sure that rule would be obeyed if i posted astolfo or something.
yes it does, people get banned there for breaking the rules all the time. Its a safe space for husbandofags, which makes it funnier when they come seething because the rest of the site isnt bubble wrapped to coddle their feelings.

No. 2186457

>>2186448
>"pwease dont bully for my trannoid tastes"
kek

No. 2186465

>>2186443
Tbf nonnas just shit talk about them a lot in other threads.

No. 2186476

>>2186465
yes because the rest of the site doesnt have to coddle their feelings. This site was built to nitpick weird women so its funny to me that newfags get pissed when their cartoons get shitted on. I guess they are too used to social media fake kindness.

No. 2186478

>>2186465
The husbando threads are also 90% JJK and Dazaifags anyway with a good chunk refusing to actually identify who they like for the obvious reasons.

No. 2186480

>>2186478
>for the obvious reasons.
what reasons? i have heard a lot of anons say they dont want to share because they are scared of their husbando being stolen(kek) or because they dont want to be identified. It has nothing to do with the ''mweaan booly'' because you can get people banned there for calling your blorbo ugly. Its a literally baby safe space and husbandofags still complain about it.

No. 2186491

>>2186480
>they are scared of their husbando being stolen(kek)

Mental fucking illness. Imagine being so paranoid that sharing is under the grounds of pixel thievery. No one cares about what they do but feel like the rest of the site are plotting their downfall.

No. 2186500

shitting on husbandofags when you probably fuck and suck and obsess over actual scrotes is crazy

No. 2186501

>>2186480
>>2186476
Somewhat hypocritical, considering this site is a safe space from the internet as a whole.
If it wasn't, men would be able to post.

No. 2186502

>>2186480
>Stolen
>When he's not even theirs to begin with
This is why I will never hang out with yumes, mental fucking illness. You didn't make him how can he even belong to you?

No. 2186503

>>2186491
Genuinely have no idea what else do they want, the admins were kind enough to give them special rules so they can post their autistically long rants about how they want to finger kirby's slit and they still complain about how they are prosecuted and bullied outside their containment. They genuinely need to woman up. The only husbandofag that takes the mocking with dignity and grace is kirdedede and that's why she's probably the only personalityfag that isnt hated.

No. 2186505

>>2186428
if you post ugly men you deserve to get bullied tbf

No. 2186506

>>2186501
men can post they just cant announce themselves

No. 2186507

>>2186500
I'm a virgin but ok.

No. 2186508

>>2186500
just as waifufags can be criticized husbandofags should not be exempt from it, this is not twitter

No. 2186514

>>2186508
it's not twitter but if you criticize someone back, it's infighting. makes sense. and what is there even to criticize? it's cringe and corny, you're trying to live out your mean girl fantasies and it's embarrassing

No. 2186515

>>2186500
i like husbandos myself and i hate 3DPD but i am tired of some very vocal yumes sperging about how the site centered around mocking retards online is so mwean to them.

No. 2186518

>>2186500
Being fair, they might be too busy bitching about other women to consider saying anything about men kek.

No. 2186519

>>2186514
are you new to lolcow, do you even know what pt stands for?

No. 2186520

>>2186518
>if you hate ugly men you also hate women!!
kek

No. 2186521

>>2186514
>is on a gossip site
kekkkk some of you are so soft no wonder so many yncels act so cowish.(infighting/derailing)

No. 2186522

>>2186519
>my oldfag card is something anyone could figure out by clicking on the site board list
are you new? kek idiot(infighting)

No. 2186525

This thread always gets derailed over the same subjects, incredible.
>>2186480
nta but given that many lurk the thread for screenshots, I think some anons don't want to be material for other threads or risk becoming a husbando-chan.
>>2186501
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
>>2186503
Every thread can have rules, it's not an admin's grace. You newfags are insufferable(derailing)

No. 2186526

>>2186522
if you know this is a gossip site then why are you acting surprised anons like to make fun of ugly men, cartoon men at that

No. 2186527

>>2186525
> it's not an admin's grace
the ugly man thread rules had to be enforced by admins because husbandofags wouldnt stop shitting it. So that's not true.

No. 2186528

>>2186525
nah she has a point, lc is something of a safe space. most imageboards are tho

No. 2186529

>>2186528
thats not what safe space means

No. 2186532

>>2186522
>>2186526
Can both of you shut up, it's getting cringe.(derailing)

No. 2186535

>>2186527
They get to shit up the rest of the site while their thread has special protection and still act like we're oppressing them or something.(derailing)

No. 2186537

>>2186529
you need to integrate

No. 2186538

>>2186532
why don't you go to /meta/ and cry about it or report the posts and cry there or something

No. 2186539

>>2186520
No ugly men have been posted or talked about in this thread.
Frankly, it's not even shitting on drawings that is annoying. It's this retarded defense that men are totally disgusted by pretty boys so that makes them based.
No, men are jerking off to that as much as you are.

No. 2186542

>>2186539
>Frankly, it's not even shitting on drawings that is annoying. It's this retarded defense that men are totally disgusted by pretty boys so that makes them based.
you said what i wanted to say but couldn't. rarely is the anger just honest, e.g. "i'm not into this," it's always paired with some moralfaggotry about men and how it's misogynistic and literally killing women or something. feels like twitter but more retarded

No. 2186543

I'm a silent husbandofag who doesn't post in the threads due to no sharing autism and not wanting to be identified/personalityfagging, but I feel like husbandofagging is some of the least harmless shit you can do here as long as they aren't being annoying and shitting up other threads. The only husbandofag I personally see shit up threads is Rance/Rancefag mentions in random threads but she's a cow so. But we have our own containment thread for a reason obviously.

No. 2186545

>>2186539
that doesnt make ugly men based either. Men jack off to attractive characters because they arent constantly being told they are shallow for not cooming to ugly calarts vitiligo fat trannies.

No. 2186548

>>2186527
You don't even understand the basic terminology of the ib and you want to act like you know anything.
>>2186528
They didn't ban maleposters to make it a safe space.(derailing)

No. 2186551

>>2186548
farmhands arent the same thing as admins

No. 2186553

>>2186542
yeah because guess what, some women are tired of ugly men and this is the only place you can shit on them without a hoarde of twitterfags calling you shallow for it. Again, husbandofags got their safe space, women who simp for ugly 3dpd got their safe space. You can shit on waifus everywhere all around the site and waifufags dont start mass seething about it.

No. 2186554

>>2186551
Yes? That is whole the point of my post. Pointing out the newfags is acting like admin came down to husbandofag thread and granted a special rule. >>2186503.

No. 2186557

>>2186545
Men don't moralfag at all, that is correct.
>>2186553
They absolutely do. The other cycle in these shit threads is complaining about female characters.

No. 2186559

>>2186554
>moving the goalpost

No. 2186562

>>2186557
>Men don't moralfag at all
men think non coombait women in their vidya is an attack on them

No. 2186569

>>2186562
Context is included in the thread, men are able to coom to noncoombait women in videogames without any problem.

No. 2186573

>>2186569
>men are able to coom to noncoombait women in videogames without any problem.
men were calling abby too ugly. I love how this thread complains about how all ''aare pedo coomers that only want 12yo girls with big boobs in media'' but suddenly when we are talking about ugly husbandos its ''uwu they are ackshually super inclusive! they will coom to anything, please ignore all the comments calling any female character that isnt built like a blow up doll ugly and all the mods to ''fix'' realistic female designs and make them looks like a sakimichan girl''

No. 2186574

>make them looks like

No. 2186577

>>2186574
woah i made a typo, you won nonny

No. 2186581

>>2186573
You seriously think no man didnt make humiliating artwork of Abby getting fucked? Abby has a sex scene in the game itself.
How come if a man makes humiliating artwork of Abby, he's clearly objectifying but if a woman makes humiliating artwork of an "uggo" she's "uwu they are ackshually super inclusive!"?

No. 2186589

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>>2179590
the creator of classof09 actually seems way more unhinged than I thought. apparently the entire game is just some bizarre wish-fulfillment fantasy against people from high school
https://old.reddit.com/r/Classof09Game/comments/1fo9brk/i_was_friends_with_sbn3_for_over_7_years_and_well/?limit=500

No. 2186591

>>2186581
>comparing men who make hate fuck content because they are misogynistic to women who just have shit taste
nonny i dont think this is the pro husbandofag argument you think it is. Its not about women liking uggos anyway, its about husbandofags feeling like they are above mocking just because they like anime men. Anons literally shit on pregnant women here what makes husbandofags think they are above criticism just for being in love with a cartoon? plus, some anons are tired of being fake nice to some husbandofags because all they get in return is husbandofags shitting on bishies and calling them ''boring'' and ''sickly''. So its not like they are pure dainty women who do no wrong they actively shit on others taste too, a bunch of them even call women pedos for liking bishies like Leon S Kennedy which is insanely unhinged.

No. 2186594

File: 1727639801404.mp4 (1.97 MB, 480x360, nN_5IkrL9WbQX9dq.mp4)

here he is bullying random autistic 14 year olds while being in his 20s

No. 2186600

>>2186591
>men make hate fuck content because they are misogynistic
>women who make hate fuck content because they have shit taste
The argument wasn't about husbandofags to begin with, despite trying to twist it into that. >>2184714

No. 2186602

here's what he looks like irl(he's the fat one)

No. 2186606

>>2186600
you cant make hate fuck content involving ugly men because ugly men arent seen as a bad thing by society, you arent shaming him, you are giving him what he wants which is attention and sex. Thats why those women who think its le based to draw ugly men getting ''humilliated'' are just humilliating themselves. No ugly men is degraded by being given free sex.

No. 2186610

>>2186589
Another way the game is wish fulfilment is that Nicole is basically his waifu. This interview (I can't take screenshots on my shitty laptop please don't redtext me) is him talking about the girls from his school that he OBVIOUSLY never got over.
https://www.otakusandgeeks.com/articles/interviewwithmaxfield#:~:text=We%20had%20a%20chat%20with%20Max%20Field%20of%20SBN3%20to

No. 2186615

>>2186606
Is this still about Kaneoya Sachiko? Cause if so I dunno what's the point, I doubt she's feeling humiliated by it even of you think it's humiliating, I sure still just find her art hot without any remorse

No. 2186616

>>2186591
Wait, really? But the husbando thread on here is almost entirely bishies, or characters who would get called bishies if they were anime characters and I've seen them openly insult roidpigs/fatties as groups. Are you talking about husbandofags from other sites?

No. 2186617

>>2186606
That's true for pretty men as well, almost like moralfagging this sort of shit is stupid.

No. 2186618

>>2186610
I know nonnies make a lot of future troon accusations, but I'm honestly surprised he hasn't trooned out yet. He seems the type, a fat terminally online moid who makes being 'alternative' his entire identity and has a history of online degeneracy and trolling

No. 2186621

>>2186618
He gives me STRONG "would be a self-hating white supremacist in another timeline" vibes so the troon arc is probably imminent.

No. 2186623

>>2186615
nta I think my view is that a lot of japanese women are just attracted to this type of guy. a 'beautiful' man is a fantasy for them (usually an underage westerner), but this is what they'll get in real life, so they make due

No. 2186624

>>2186615
its not about kaneoya its about >>2184741 i just find it funny
>>2186616
you werent there when the arthurfag posted her unhinged manifesto

No. 2186628

>>2186617
everyone moralfags about husbandos here, women into unconventional men call bishies boring, i call ugly men ugly. It is what it is and if they are allowed to shit on bishies i am allowed to shit on their husbandos. Its free speech.

No. 2186629

>>2186624
KEK, I already feel like I already know exactly how this went even though I missed it.
>>2186623
The fact they're portrayed as passive and non-threatening probably helps, too.

No. 2186633

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>>2186623
I think she just likes the idea of a man breaking down.
The man isn't even ugly, he's tired and sad and doesn't shave. He's "ruined" and thats what's she's into. It isn't some stupid Japanese society brainwashing, it's a fetish.

No. 2186635

>>2186633
The feeble mind cannot comprehend the female ryonafag brain.

No. 2186637

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>>2186629
even when they are in an 'active' or dominant role, 99% of the time they are expected to represent a japanese man(this is true for shoujo and bl works). The same goes for korean works, although there are a few instances where the man is meant to represent a non-Asian person, I'm assuming inter-racial relationships are more of an option in korea

No. 2186638

>>2186635
i am a ryonafag and i want to break sexy confident men into whiny submissive beaten qties. I am not interested in doing charity work for ugly smelly men.

No. 2186641

>>2186633
Yeah they are cute guys who look like they are about to die from overworking

No. 2186645

>>2186633
exactly, her type is ugly mid men. If thats her type thats fine but its funny when people try to justify it behind ''i-its actually more pathetic and humilliating if they are ugly, y-you dont get the ryonafag mind''.

No. 2186653

>>2186633
>>2186645
that wasn't my point. I was just saying that regardless of what her fetish might be, she'd still be attracted to a certain type of japanese moid

No. 2186662

>>2186638
>>2186645
I was moreso referring to the anons trying to psychoanalyze why Japanese women draw pathetic suffering men kek. Regardless of how attractive he is, it's CLEARLY for the same reasons as Western ryonafags.

No. 2186664

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>>2186645
They aren't ugly. Stinky? Sure, but not ugly

No. 2186672

>>2186645
How is that not just a fact?
Being clean with good hygiene and great skin care with no eye bags is dignified and respectful. Not having good hygiene is shameful.(derailing)

No. 2186673

>>2186664
she has different ocs, although most are samefaced. The unshaved one is definetly ugly.

No. 2186676

>>2186672
for women, men are allowed to be ugly just fine and are never shamed for it so it makes no sense.

No. 2186681

>>2186664
They look a bit rough in some pictures but yeah, most of the time they're not ugly. I think some people just take issue with anything that's not drawn in generic uguu anime style, which would be fine in itself but they need to remember what the word "opinion" means kek
>>2186673
Agreed there, he looks walled.
>>2186676
If we're still talking about Japan this isn't really the case there. They take cleanliness VERY seriously there.

No. 2186684

>>2186676
We're talking about drawings made for a woman by a woman, not about the men in your life.

No. 2186689

>>2186673
he is my favorite. I want to see him suffer more it's hot

No. 2186693

>>2186684
art reflects real life whatever you like it or not

No. 2186698

>>2186693
It reflects more than just your life.

No. 2186699

>>2186681
>which would be fine in itself but they need to remember what the word "opinion" means kek
this also applies to anons who get pissed when their husbandos are called ugly

No. 2186701

>>2186698
male uglyness being accepted is universal(derailing)

No. 2186770

>>2186699
Anyone who feels strong emotions about other anon's anime male tastes, full stop. Calm the shipping-induced mental illness and realise that you're typing WORDSWORDSWORDS fanfiction about fujos, yumefags etc over drawings (usually I hate the "it's just a drawing" defense but since we aren't scrotes it's fine) or because you're getting defensive over a drawing kek. Why do some of you need everyone to share your fetish??

No. 2186809

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This resurfaced and now I'm deleting Xitter. The DR fandom's got a gendie infestation… every other post is shit like this

No. 2186915

>>2186809
>guy who acts like a creep to the girl he likes must totes be trans
They just keep racking up self-owns, it's incredible.

No. 2186971

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>>2186809
Just a few years ago everyone knew he said that because he's a pervert and wants to get closer to women to oogle them. Now, though? A man being a sex creep means he's tooootally transfem u gaiz!!! I can't wait for this stuff to bite them in the ass.

No. 2186972

>>2186809
God I fucking hate Souda

No. 2186987

>>2186972
Same, I've always hated the double standards in the DR fandom where a retarded pervert like Souda is considered a sweet LGBTQIA+ cinnamon roll, yet canonically bisexual perverts who are fat, uglier and don't fit into their yaoi ships like Teruteru are ignored when it comes to list the Danganronpa "LGBT rep". He's the only male character that's shown EXPLICIT attraction towards other males rather than just spouting vague fujobaity lines that could be interpreted one way or another, yet he's been denounced by the entire fandom for not being hot enough kek

No. 2186993

>>2186987
>Teruteru
Nemu would have liked him. I hate how ugly some danganronpa characters are. They are either samefaced deviantart donut steels or the ugliest characters you will ever see

No. 2187013

>>2186809
>The DR fandom's got a gendie infestation…
It's been like that FOREVER, especially with THH having Chihiro's whole thing. I remember Chihiro discourse like it was yesterday, usually talked about at the same time as Naoto shit. Thank god I rarely ever see either of that anymore.

No. 2187029

>>2186987
I'd rather have that over people pretending that Teruteru is hot and performative "fuck beauty standards" teruteru positivity and screeching at fanartists for not drawing him or something

No. 2187238

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>>2179125
Would you please share with the class nonna? I don’t know (many) artists who do female self insert. But I follow “aeritea” (gentle femdom) and “yunonoaii” (self insert and female pleasure with male focus) on twitter, which is close enough.

No. 2187409

File: 1727677420283.png (2.13 MB, 900x6988, antis.png)


No. 2187445

>>2186618
I'm gonna be honest I thought he was black and I don't associate black guys with transitioning.

No. 2187447

>>2187445
why did you think he was black?

No. 2187449

>>2187447
I have NO idea

No. 2187457

>>2187409
Both sides are pretty retarded here honestly, but that’s the proship vs anti ship group in general.

No. 2187479

>>2187409
The "protect all queer art including loli incest rape!!!" blanket statement is retarded as fuck but so is this "your bakudeku fic is literal pedophilia" one. Real Stacies don't adopt either "proship" or "antiship" label and will draw their sebaciel art not giving a fuck while still calling out lolicon scrotes for being the gender committing 99.9% of all child rape yet still thinking "it's fictional" gets a pass for their toddler porn and is comparable to women shipping shounen characters.

No. 2187481

>>2185445
Eh with Amy Hennig I think the speculation is warranted. Nathan Drake was called out for being 'dude Tomb Raider' when the games were new and with the context of Amy's career in mind it really makes sense, she just recycled a lot of the ideas she had for Tomb Raider into a new IP. I don't think it's outlandish to think Amy's take on Lara Croft would be better than what we got or that it would share a lot of similarities with Uncharted.

On a related, more positive note, the similarities between Uncharted and Tomb Raider have apparently led to a cross-over pairing fandom shipping Lara and Nathan. There's more videos like this than you'd expect kek.

>>2186386
The selfishness is the funniest thing about her old characterization. I'm guessing you are playing the Remasters that came out this year? I think the IP owners are revving up to soft reboot the franchise. Wonder which fandom they will cater to this time.

No. 2187485

>>2187449
He would probably take it as a compliment lmao, he loves larping as a black dude

No. 2187526

>>2186589
>apparently the entire game is just some bizarre wish-fulfillment fantasy against people from high school
I thought that was literally the premise from the start? Are people really shocked that a 30something terminally online incel with an embarrassing internet troll history would make a game about high school and turn it into a wish fulfillment story where he isn't the loser and takes the role of a bully instead? Also the reason the female characters are "written so well" i.e. like real people is that they're his self inserts. He wrote himself as a woman and bam, who would've known that writing female characters the same as male characters i.e. real people would actually work in their favor.

No. 2187554

>>2187485
from what I've watched in his videos, he appears to be one of those pretentious white hipsters who thinks he's better than other white people for having "real rap taste," which makes his disdain towards anime really funny, because black people love anime and the only reason he got any popularity was because of his abridged series (this is where this meme comes from) and he just stopped doing them once they gained popularity and attracted fans that he disliked
>>2187526
the awfulness of the male teenager characters felt less about rage against men and more about the fact that these types of guys were popular, something he never got over

No. 2187555

>>2187238
I usually hate ""gentle femdom"" (aka mommying a moid) but this is QUALITY. Bueno excelente nonnita.

No. 2187583

>>2187238
I genuinely don't understand the psyche of women who find this kind of art arousing. It's practically just a woman existing to serve pleasure to a scrote. It's on the same level of cope "femdom" as orgasm denial.

No. 2187610

>>2187583
>>2187555
I hate gentle femdom too and this is ugly as shit to me. Even putting the dommy mommy bullshit aside, it's so poorly drawn I can't believe anyone would find this remotely hot

No. 2187663

>>2187583
>>2187610
Agreed. The art style in general+ the guy's body language and body fat distribution is making me cringe very hard

No. 2187678

>>2187583
Mental illness but honestly, women aren't monoliths. They like different things as evidenced by the countless threads on /g/. Maybe for some Nonnas this is hot but I can't read minds.

No. 2187695

>>2187678
nope it doesn’t work like that. if you’re a woman you should only like one specific thing, gay twinks from pinterest or anime bishies, anything else is scrotebrained or mentally ill

No. 2187702

>>2187583
I would find it hot if it was actually humiliating and not this babying speech. More insulting writing, he'd be forced to say it out loud and would actually be angry about- or ashamed of it.

No. 2187707

>>2187583
It's for women who see moids as uwu harmless sensitive little babies who need to be coddled. They always whiteknight for ugly/obese moids and troons.
>>2187702
But nonna, that's problematic! Femdom exists to lift up and worship men.

No. 2187751

>>2186987
>He's the only male character that's shown EXPLICIT attraction towards other males
Eh, you kinda have to be drinking serious cope juice to not think Komaeda and Ouma are gay
It’s why I never get women who husbando either of them, they’re gay dude.

No. 2187755

>>2187751
they are cartoons anons you can straight convert them in your mind. Tons of scrotes have lesbian waifus like Utena.

No. 2187758

>>2187755
Utena is canonically bi though?
I’m not saying you’re forbidden from husbandoing a homo character, but it also won’t stop me from saying ‘they’re gay and would never love you’ to someone who does.

No. 2187760

>>2187758
yes but they are cartoons they arent real its kinda spergy to react like that to someone who just harmlessly likes a cartoon character

No. 2187762

>>2187760
It’s funny though, why would you husbando a gay character if you’re a woman anyway kek.

No. 2187767

>>2187762
Because they like the character, it's really not that deep.

No. 2187770

>>2187767
You can like a character and not husbando them though

No. 2187771

>>2187758
>>2187751
So they can mindbreak them with pussy, pretty based, honestly.

No. 2187772

>>2187760
it’s cringe yncelism, just husbando souda or something

No. 2187773

>>2187702
the thing is, if a moid was into humiliation shit irl I would know that he'd eventually troon out

No. 2187775

>>2187771
Sounds like a cope again honestly, it’s like a TIF convincing themselves their favorite anime boy totally has tit scars.

No. 2187776

Danganronpa has always been meant for self inserting waifufag men and fujos.

No. 2187777

>>2187758
but they aren't homo, most of their "gayness' is a joke

No. 2187778

how did this thread went from criticizing underage twitterfag mroalfagging like >>2187772 to attracting that type of poster?

No. 2187780

>>2187777
Have you not played the game? It’s more treated now it’s normally treated in fujo media as being cute, Teruteru’s is the one that gets treated as a joke since he tries to date rape Hinata.

No. 2187782

>>2187751
>>2187762
>>2187775
What's with this kek? You can want to fuck whichever character you want regardless of how gay the character seems to be, hell it doesn't even matter if the character is actually gay.
Why do we have to give a fuck about the sexuality of a fucking character? I may be autistic as fuck but I at least don't let fiction and headcanons of randos rule my fantasies.
How old are you people?

No. 2187783

>>2187481
>Wonder which fandom they will cater to this time.
I don't remember the newer games being all that well liked at the time it was released tbh, iirc most players thought it was silly and kind of annoying that she kept dying at stupid shit and would cry a lot, enough to make videos making fun of the whole deal.

No. 2187784

>>2187782
Once again no one said you’re not allowed to, but I’m also going to laugh at you for doing so especially if you pull a Kaworu yume and pretend the obviously gay character is straight and hates their love interest kek.

No. 2187787

>>2187784
its honestly more pathetic to moralfag about what characters women are allowed to husbandofag and care about the sexuality of a character like some twitterfag who thinks yumeing kaworu means erasing faggot representation!!1!

No. 2187788

>>2187787
But really? A fag? You want to fuck and marry a fag?

No. 2187789

>>2187770
A lot of husbandofags are just "he's hot", "At the moment, I like him", "I have 10 male characters I love, but he's my fav", "I just think he's interesting and I can sperg here ig"
There's a reason why there's one husbando thread for doing this and a seperate one for fr serious husbandoing.

No. 2187790

>>2187787
I just don’t get why people would husbando gay characters to begin with, this is fujo property bitch go watch some shounen shit and husbando Gojo or whatever.

No. 2187792

>>2187789
One of the biggest husbandofags on this site’s history husbando’d Komaeda though who’s gay as fuck.

No. 2187796

>>2187792
her pussy fluids game is strong and she can turn any fag into a straggot

No. 2187797

>>2187787
exactly. fujos can imagine hetero men having sex with other men and pretend they don't like women anymore why shouldn't yumes do the same

No. 2187799

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>>2187788
It's just a character, I don't get what's the big deal. At least the woman isn't imagining herself fucking a child like your average moid.
Here's some spooky yume fanart of Kaworu.

No. 2187800

>>2187792
I'd be more concerned about the fact that he looks like a child

No. 2187801

>>2187797
But he takes dick… that's disgusting. Why would wanna fuck a guy who takes dick?

No. 2187802

>>2187800
>he looks like a child
>komaeda
we are reaching twitterfag levels that shouldnt be possible

No. 2187804

>>2187792
Didn't she also self insert as him?

No. 2187809

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>>2187787
>>2187797
>>2187801
I blame fanfic for this shit.

No. 2187812

>>2187801
i'm a fujo as well so i like guys who got raped. i dont remember komaeda or kaworu or whoever we're talking about right now having anal sex in canon though

No. 2187813

>>2187809
I mean, yeah, it's shit and utterly retarded, but that just makes him a slut.

No. 2187814

>>2187809
Back to the 4chin Eva threads with ye

No. 2187815

>>2187811
they're drawings, no one here is attracted to actual real life faggots

No. 2187817

>>2187812
question, are you fond of feces and aids?(baiting)

No. 2187820

>>2187797
I’m into ships from directly BL or heavy fujobait media though.

No. 2187821

>>2187790
The irony in this is so obvious I'm wondering if it's just bait

No. 2187826

>>2187792
It's almost like woman aren't a hivemind.
Some take husbandoshit seriously. Some just use it to mean "favorite character" Some just use it to mean "character I think is sexy right now". That one went full "I want to be him".
It's entertainment, not all of them are legitimately exchanging vows of monogamy.

No. 2187833

>>2187817
those aren't a thing in yaoi.
>>2187820
ok? i know plenty of fujos who are not. even a lot of bl has characters who say they arent gay and only like one single person who happens to be male

No. 2187836

Sure smells like Rancefag in here.

No. 2187841

>>2187833
>those aren't a thing in yaoi.
NTA but they are in games like RN9

No. 2187843

>>2187836
the person spamming yncel is probably ntyfag tho, she has a seething hatred for yumes for god knows what reason

No. 2187844

I have to wonder how many of you have actually read or interacted with the things you are complaining about and how much of it is just stuff you've seen in fanfiction and twitter/tumblr.

No. 2187845

>>2187836
You could say there's a rancid smell.

No. 2187848

>>2187841
>a game written by a 3dpd scatfag lolicon faggot without any romance has scat in it
of course. thankfully games like that are a small minority. and i would argue it barely counts as a bl game in the first place

No. 2187851

>>2187787
you’ll say this then turn around and moralfag about shota or traps or cuntboy or whatever though

No. 2187853

>>2187848
>lolicon
>in charge of a bl game
can you please elaborate

No. 2187857

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No. 2187859

>>2187853
She might mean the artist, I forget who the writer of RN9 is but it’s pretty likely they also worked on euphoria since clockup is a smaller company.

No. 2187862

>>2187843
>new personalityfag
Can we make Yu-Gi-Oh cards of them or something? it'd help me keep track of them all

No. 2187864

>>2187862
NTYfag isn’t really new

No. 2187867

>>2187851
I don't moralfag about cuntboy, I just hate it outright.
I'd bury them in a mass grave and then set it on fire. I'd make the holocaust look like a joke.

No. 2187871

>>2187862
no personalityfag should be remembered

No. 2187874

>>2187853
the fag who has written room no 9 also made loli snuff games, according to the biggest clockup fan it's because he got diddled as a child i don't fucking know

No. 2187884

>>2187843
I wish all personalityfags would get their Internet access taken away asap

No. 2187895

>one-two mentions of a word
>spamming
kek

No. 2187901

Something I've been wondering, what would you consider to be more husbandofag?
>loves the character, won't stop talking about the character, every draws and writes about the character, but they ship the character with everyone, men and women
>doesn't actually give a shit about the character's personality and thinks the story is mid but damn he's hot. But they do fantasize about him fucking her and only her.

No. 2187908

>>2187901
>doesn't actually give a shit about the character's personality and thinks the story is mid but damn he's hot. But they do fantasize about him fucking her and only her.
I consider this to be the actual definition of a husbandofag. I mostly like male characters and consider myself a fan, but I don't have self-insert fantasies with them, call them my husbandos or any of that. I find the entire culture around husbandofaggotry pretty unsettling, some of the posts in the threads in /g/ are depressingly mentally ill.

No. 2187914

>>2187901
the first one is a husbando oshi and
the second one is a yume

No. 2187932

>>2187908
Couldn't agree more with you, nonna. It's especially jarring if people like that post their fantasies about how their husbando would fuck them in discussions that have nothing to do with yume sperging (as often seen on reddit and tumblr). Keep that shit to yourself or at least the threads made for that purpose. Not everyone wants to know what fantasies you flick your bean to.

No. 2187936

>>2187409
gotta love the retards immediately mentioning fanfiction instead of actual child porn

No. 2187940

>>2187914
>husbando oshi
Never thought of thinking of it that way lol, thanks.
I follow a few because I like reading what they say and never knew what to call them.

No. 2187959

>>2187851
i dont, i dont care in the slightest

No. 2187984

>>2187901
First is just being a normal fan, second is the kind of people who ruin fandoms

No. 2188012

>>2187801
Yeah, in fujo delusions he does.

No. 2188026

>>2187901
The first is just a normal fan while the second is a yumejo. A husbandofag would be someone who ships her husbando with herself only AND loves the character and invests a lot into him.

No. 2188069

I like M/M ships too but I hate fujos who can't admit when something is fujobait and move on. Not every character has to be canonically a fag and not every fujo wants them to be, why can't we let fanservice be fanservice? It feels like these things were much better understood back in the era of fujobait anime like Free!! (even if that still spawned some vicious infighting) where all characters had multiple shipbait scenes with multiple other characters

No. 2188078

>>2188069
Take your sperging to the containment thread.

No. 2188084

>>2188069
It was always the case that some people couldn't cope with their ship not being canon, but it feels like it has gotten so much worse in recent years.

No. 2188101

>>2188078
No because this isn't fujo hate, sperg. Quit minimodding and being retarded

No. 2188103

>>2188069
i forgot the term for it but i like those specific type of japanese fujoshi that actively DON’T want their ship to become canon because they think it would be constricting and they prefer to have the freedom to imagine their ship however they like it instead of it being canon. think about castiel’s retarded confession for example. I’m pretty sure many fans have written way better confessions before.

No. 2188104

>>2188069
In general, omnipandering seems to be extremely hated nowadays for some reason, not just amongst fujos but male waifufags, yurifags, husbandofags, etc too. It's very bizarre.

No. 2188111

>>2188104
Because when you pander to everyone, you pander to no one. Not always true of course, but the amount of drama in those fandoms are often the result of differing people who can't stay in their lanes. You have waifufags going apeshit over their waifu being with a man or a woman, husbandofags flinging slurs at fujos shipping her man with men, and so on. I found that fandoms with a focus are far more chill than whatever's going on in genshit.

No. 2188118

>>2188104
Because "omnipandering" involves certain groups consistently being shafted over others. Fuck that garbage, I'm not settling for crumbs when others get full meals.

No. 2188128

>>2187778
These threads have always attracted posters like that.

No. 2188149

>>2188111
It feels like that attitude wasn't as prevalent before. When people consumed series that weren't explicitly for one group and one group only, some people would throw a shit fit if a bone was thrown to someone besides them but the vast majority of people wouldn't give a shit and people wouldn't used being occasionally pandered to as an excuse to harass others to the extent they do nowadays.

No. 2188150

>>2187481
Anything else would have been better than that anyway. Poor Lara deserves someone better than that guy kek. Those crossover ships are hilarious. I've seen lara and many other characters shipped with all possible characters from any IP. I feel it's a dying thing in fandoms though. Crackships seem to have died down compared to before.

No. 2188160

>>2187238
I like this artist enough to follow her. But I worry she's too affected by her male majority following. Now you summoned the femdom/female sexuality gatekeepers kek.

No. 2188179

>>2188104
Because liking more than one genre means you're a "cuck" or "not really a whatever."

No. 2188194

>>2188179
You are a cuck when you give your time and money to company that isn't going to make shit for you in return.

No. 2188213

>>2188194
>you can like more than one thing
>nuh uh if a company doesn't make something for your one thing you can like you're a cuck
You can like more than one thing. It is possible to be both a fujo and like the straight ship.

No. 2188235

i’m one of the only real husbandofags on this site (besides rancefag) and i could tell you yumeism and fujoism aren’t mutually exclusive

No. 2188252

>>2188235
It doesn't have to do with being a husbandofag. Women who ship their male OCs with canon male characters are considered yumejoshi in Japan because all OC x canon done by women falls under yumejoshi even if it's not het or doesn't involve self inserting.

No. 2188261

>>2187773
I know, that's why it's a fantasy kek

No. 2188274

>>2188235
the fujo vs yume argument doesn’t really exist outside of lc and other girlboards anyway, it’s just more useless bullshit to fight over.

No. 2188295

>>2188274
I could fill seven threads up with the drama I know between them. most are chi and Japanese and dunno if nonas will be interested in that

No. 2188296

>>2188295
I would

No. 2188297

>>2188295
the only case i know of is that one otome love interest going gay if he wasn’t picked by mc-chan and yumes seething over it. i’m interested to know what else goes on over there though, just judging by twst spaces i lurk it seems pretty chill

No. 2188298

>>2188295
I'm interested nona

No. 2188300

>>2188295
gimme gimme

No. 2188302

>>2188297
KEKKKK what game is that I need to play it

No. 2188308

>>2188302
shuunen no virche or something

No. 2188322

>>2188297
>>2188308
That LI in the game didn't actually go gay, his friend had feelings for him and it's unrequited lol that's all there was to it. However I feel the reaction from the JP players was warranted because the people who play otome games obviously wouldn't want to have fujobait in their games. Otome and BL should never mix

No. 2188333

>>2188322
>Otome and BL should never mix
I mean they do in basically every joseimuke…

No. 2188338

>>2188333
Joseimuke are just general female oriented games, of course they’d want to bait both sides. BL games and otome games focus on catering to one audience.

No. 2188346

>>2188150
Admittedly I can see where they are coming from, the characters have a lot of similarities given that Nathan was inspired by Lara and both were inspired by Indiana Jones. But I can’t see it ever being a real long term relationship kek. Lara has never had a long term love interest in the games so her staying single and adopting a bunch of cats or kids or both seems like a sensible endpoint for her character.

You’re right about these weird crossover pairings being less common I wonder what happened? It’s like people take shipping super seriously now and don’t know how to have fun with stuff that won’t ever be canon.

No. 2188347

>>2188322
>Otome and BL should never mix
what is this the weeb race war

No. 2188358

Aren't most shounen basically "omnipandering"?

No. 2188365

>>2188347
KEK anon it's not like that. They appeal to different preferences. People who play otome games are not going in for BL. Opposite applies to the people playing BL games as well. It's all about respecting the genre expectations

No. 2188379

>>2187784
>no one said you’re not allowed to
>>2187787
>why aren’t you allowing me

No. 2188568

>>2188322
It's literally the same thing though

No. 2188595

>>2187695
Was that a joke or a take nonna? What are you talking about? Is a woman a faggot for liking "masculine" men?

No. 2188607

>>2188595
Ntayrt but that was a sarcastic jab.

No. 2188620

>>2188607
Thank God.

No. 2188637

>>2187695
> if you’re a woman you should only like one specific thing, gay twinks from pinterest or anime bishies
this but unironically

No. 2188651

>>2188595
Schedule an autism screening immediately.

No. 2188703

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>>2186589
>>2179590
also this is what he looks like

No. 2188766

>>2188703
MI thought his detective Conan video were funny back in the day so seeing all this is a bit of a downer ngl.

No. 2188917

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Nah she a (fujo) terf

No. 2188923

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No. 2189100

>>2188923
based kangle

No. 2189103

>>2188923
I aspire to be her…..

No. 2189180

>>2188923
Someone send this to Addy.

No. 2189242

>>2187238
Soft femdom is so lame,where’s the art of moids getting whipped like the animals they are

No. 2189290

>>2189242
They'd get sweaty and smelly and look kinda fucked up so that would be gross with blood and scars on their back.
They should stay clean and pretty.

No. 2189314

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>>2186610
Got a screenshot.

No. 2189340

>>2189314
I'd much rather see an adult man write about teenage girls fighting dragons than try to create a so-called 'authentic teenage girl experience' cause at least the first one is pure fantasy and fun for women and girls, the latter is just creepy

No. 2189421

>>2189314
And most 20 year old men are watching sigma male affirmation videos on their 15 minute break from their grocery store job, what's your point?

No. 2189493

File: 1727804759094.mp4 (1.36 MB, 854x460, XlF7HT2.mp4)

This is from an official dub

No. 2189499

>>2189493
This is the quality that dub-watchers deserve tbh

No. 2189500

>>2188703
He looks like he had down syndrome

No. 2189508

>>2189493
This is in english?

No. 2189511

>>2189493
Is she supposed to be some type of Zoomer? It's the only explanation I can think of, especially for saying unalive.

No. 2189513

>>2189180
Addy is already seething because kangel is a shotacon too

No. 2189520

>>2189511
she's supposed to be speaking in youth slang from japan

No. 2189527

File: 1727806843172.png (1.99 MB, 753x3969, img_4399.png)

>>2189493
the responses to this are just as cringe, wokies are so obsessed with proving the "chuds" wrong that they will praise an objectively awful and shitty dub for the sake of seeming progressive

No. 2189644

>>2189527
Not an MHAfag but she apparently is supposed to be exactly like that. I don't really think it's a bad dub because she's just as annoying in the manga, they're just localizing it in a way that English speakers, and gen-z (most of the people watching this slop) would understand. I don't really get how it's "progressive" or how it btfos chuds though. Not really getting the problem here tbh.

No. 2189666

>>2189511
People of all ages use unalive to get past censors, it's not exactly "gen z slang."

No. 2190047

>>2189666
DA some kids have used unalive in school papers kek

No. 2190147

>>2187555
Glad you like this artist then! You’re welcome nonnita!

>>2187583
>>2187610
I get what you all are saying, but it’s pretty hard to find artists, comics, porn, media etc catered to women. Who also makehardcore porn aimed at guys or anything truly made by women for women.

I also recommend Sadistic beauty and Make him cry by Ant studio and there will always people bitching about fictional males “that’s abuse” “that’s wrong” “while worse porn comics exist or even real life women are abused and dare to whine about that. But I don’t give a fuck about those retards.

>>2188160
Yeah it’s too bad she had to make it gentle “femdom”…that’s not true female domination if the guy is being a mommy and the woman doesn’t get pleasured (only some of her art has female pleasure done by a guy.)

>>2189242
Fuck yeah, I just want raw true femdom and male focus without it being made by a guy and made for women. And not for dumb moids with depraved mommy fetish or their retarded sissy shit they like for whatever reason.

No. 2190150

>>2187238
ew why is he hairy

No. 2190151

>>2189666
She also said "rizz king."

No. 2190516

>>2187583
I like men surrendering and being vulnerable and at the mercy of women. A woman being pleasured feels too vulnerable to me unless it's another woman pleasuring her.

No. 2190583

>>2190516
Okay, but I don't want to write shit on a man's body because that's goofy, most BDSM that isn't abusive is just kinda lame

No. 2190626

>>2189314
The "people just want pretty girls shooting arrows at dragons and not the REAL female experience" is so rich coming from a gooner still stuck in high school in his 30's writing a torture porn fanfic about teenage mean girls. He really outs his own male perspective speaking about how he based this character on the girls he knew in high school and immediately thinks they're just straight out sociopaths with "pretty girl opportunities" while an actual woman his age would have already developed a mature perspective to the psychology behind a teenage girl's cruel actions. The only time men are able to even remotely portray a "female experience" is when they write female characters as men first and just make them women because shockingly giving female characters the same agency and experiences as real people makes them more relatable and interesting.

No. 2190736

>>2190626
I would much rather have women going on adventures and catcalling cute men than yet another mean girls rip off, this time written by an autistic moid.

No. 2190762

Nonnas, Do any of you make fandom content for a particular fandom? It is a guarantee that you'll attract weirdos who won't leave you alone? I just wanted to make fandom content for this particular show that I love and share it with like-minded people and now I have this weirdo who won't leave me alone. He seems to be retarded as well.

No. 2190767

>>2190762
Can't you just block/softblock or mute him nona? Seems like it'd be the easiest way to get rid of him.

No. 2190799

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Breaking news, Jack Skellington ikemen from twisted wonderland discussed in the last thread is canonically 16. It's hilarious watching everyone scramble while sitting back because ultimately, he's lines. Also very cute in the game itself.

No. 2190808

>>2190799
Good. Moralfags don't deserve hot men. They made this bed for themselves.

No. 2190876

>>2187238
i like some of her art but this one sucks ass

No. 2190880

>>2190799
Zoomers are so weird about TWST characters. More for me, I guess

No. 2190991

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Does anyone here play Project Sekai? I only have a few times and the writing really doesn't appeal to me, but I'm curious how this will pan out. I feel like Mizuki was just supposed to be a crossdresser, but the writers can't really do that with their current audience. It seems like they've kept his identity vague for a long time (his gender is just marked as an "?"), even though he's definitely meant to be male.

Even when I tried searching about his gender in Japanese (DeepL), I found an article that an "x-gender" identifying player wrote saying he shouldn't be called an otokonoko. I've seen other Japanese players call him that, but I think it was when the game was newer, because these days they seem to just go with "Mizuki is Mizuki."

I doubt he'll be confirmed as a transwoman, but they're clearly going to have the 'reveal' for his next event. I'm expecting it to go like "I just wanted to be… me," in a way that the writers can still keep it vague enough to please everyone. Whatever it is, the gendies will run with it anyway. I wish he could just be a cute boy.

But I wonder how much they're going to lean into the LGBT angle, like if there's anything to the event starting on National Coming Out Day. Western fans also love pointing out how Mizuki's profile picture has the trans flag colors. Could any of that really be intentional? I know the company has caved to those fans before (when they got accused of blackface, and when the EN server skipped an event that fans called racist).

sorry if I sound too autistic

No. 2191002

>>2190991
i thought this game was fun but i didnt keep playing it because the rabid underage fandom turned me off it.. bro why cant people just let crossdressing anime boys be boys anymore, theyre literally trying to make them all trannies

No. 2191105

>>2190991
National Coming Out Day… national referring to where, exactly? The United States? Even if they do confirm that this character is a gendie or TIM rather than a crossdressing boy, do companies in Japan really care enough about some LGBT holiday not observed there to schedule the start of a JP event for that date specifically? It feels just like a coincidence, imo.

Sucks that the fanbase is so rife with underage gendies that would have meltdowns if this event confirmed him as anything other than trans. Why do female weebs love calling male characters transfem or whatever if they show even the slightest bit of femininity? They've probably never interacted with an actual TIM in their lives. I miss the days when GNC characters could just exist peacefully.

No. 2191108

>>2178919
This reminds me of how mentally ill losers view idols. As soon as it’s revealed they have a boyfriend or girlfriend people meltdown and send death threats and call it a betrayal.

No. 2191183

>>2190991
I played PJSK and Colorful Stage a bit, a little over a year ago, haven’t since then tbh but this stuff is really weird to me, people talk about this game like it’s the second coming of Miku Christ and it seems all the developers have to do is breathe and everyone is worshipping the ground this game walks on

No. 2191186

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>>2191105
I don't know, it actually seems pretty plausible now that I've seen the reaction from the JP side. And apparently some events were skipped so it could be scheduled like this. I'm interested in seeing what they're gonna go for here (since they could still make him come out as a boy)

No. 2191258

>>2190991
Kek I always skip the game story so I went all this time thinking she was a girl, not sure if I'll keep playing if he's confirmed a troon, nowadays I have lower tolerance for that shit

No. 2191281

>>2178441
This is so black pilling on the true nature of scrotes. Half of these are fucking animals. The 2nd most pornified character doesn't at least have a human body. A fail daughter is better than a fail son 100%.

No. 2191403

>>2190767
Will do that, thanks!

No. 2191844

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>>2187409
now, the opposite end of the spectrum

No. 2191847

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No. 2191855

>>2191844
It’s crazy watching the pro and anti shipper debate happen in circles for literal years, why do people online believe you must be all or nothing? You can’t just say ‘I don’t mind dark themes in media but I personally don’t like xyz’ you have to say ‘fiction is reality and depicting anything that isn’t coffee shop au means you’re literally hitler’ or ‘if you don’t like my incest noncon murder fanfic you’re literally hitler’. I notice it a lot in lefty circles too.

No. 2191867

>>2191844
>>2191847
Fascinating, just look at how pretentious and intellectual they sound while talking about their mundane fetishes and porn, they seriously believe their damn incest kink is this revolutionary, thought provoking statement on society kek

No. 2191893

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>>2190991
tbf pink = girl and blue = boy is universal symbolism that existed long before troons came up with their flag; in the case of trap/gnc characters it literally just signals that they embody both male and female aspects, that’s it…or so i’d hope, in mizuki’s case it very well could be troon pandering because most of the eng fandom, like you said, thinks he’s a transfem. they seethe really hard at any insinuation he’s a feminine guy lol. it sucks to be a western fan but all the jp accounts i follow just see him as a spicy crossdressing dude, so i can cope

No. 2191949

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>>2191893
Some of the comments from JP players are giving me more hope that he'll just end up admitting he's a boy… I like Mizuki from what I've seen of him, so if it ends up like that I might get more into the game and he'd probably become my favorite because I really enjoy crossdressing anime boys
And I just found out that Mizuki's event has been delayed to the 12th, lol. Seems like a big shame if they really went through the effort to have it start on the 11th.

No. 2192072

>>2190991
I’m a Mizuki fan and honestly I don’t give a fuck what Mizuki is. I don’t really think about it, there’s been hints of being a crossdresser or being trans but I dunno I’m too old to give a fuck. I’m pretty much a hag to the community and I consider this game to be like for 14 year olds anyways

No. 2192086

>>2191949
hoping you and this person are right and the delay wasn’t because they want it to be good as possible kek. still, what a crazy coincidence. what if they admit he’s a he in jp but he’s still trooned in eng ala bridget and that ghost from paper mario aaaaiiieeeeee that’d be fucking awful

No. 2192121

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>>2192086
The Japanese Wikipedia article for Coming Out Day mentions these controversies. If it was their original intention for it to be on that date (I think it probably was and they meant to focus on the 'confession' meaning), then it makes sense if they postponed it to avoid the same misunderstanding and association with LGBT rights
>>2192072
I shouldn't care about it but I'm autistically invested now

No. 2192128

>>2192086
Eh, Daisuke (GG Creator) literally admitted Bridget is a girl in one of the Backyard sessions. According to himself, it was always the plan, the design reflects it too. To no one’s surprise unless you’re an absolute tourist, GG has always been weird and liberal-y. There’s been gay characters, feminine men, masculine women since forever. Sadly a troon isn’t so far fetched.

No. 2192139

>>2192128
>According to himself, it was always the plan, the design reflects it too.
yeah lmfao it was in the plan and totes intentional after he saw how much westerners loved it. i know he has that male/female symbol on his habit but that existed long before troons did + all it means is that he has masculine and feminine traits

No. 2192172

>>2192139
Bridget doesn’t even have any masculine traits anymore in Strive. Bro is literally fatter in the thighs/hips now, never grew, bigger eyes, etc. I do find it interesting that the official English site doesn’t call Bridget a woman though, just says that even though Bridget defeated the twin male allegations that it didn’t give a purpose to them. I definitely believe Bridget is probably just a confused man because he had to larp all his life, yet has been socialized as a girl

No. 2192175

>>2191844
>they can't be sisters because I want to see them fuck, you're a homophobe!
Now that's a take that makes my blood boil

No. 2192187

>>2192175
I’ve seen a weirdo defend Elsa and Anna shipping because it helped them realize they were a lesbian. I hope to god that was stupid troon.

No. 2192188

>>2192128
>tourist
Go back to Reddit and your moid-infested Twitter circle

No. 2192196

>>2192188
Nah I’m just autistic and hate when people talk about things they don’t know shit about.

No. 2192199

>>2191949
>>2192086
Being a fan of crossdressing in Current Era is suffering because troons ruin it. I'm a fan of the Mulan type, myself.
Hell, I'd argue that the acceptance and gays and bisexuality have actively started ruining the fun of heterosexual crossdressing romances. It's stops being
>ml is so into his bro fl that despite being straight he likes ((him))
And turns into
>ml is bi so he'll fuck anything with a hole, his friend fl has always been just another piece on the menu and is nothing speacial
The exclusivity and taboo was part of the appeal dammit.
And now if the character crossdressed they get co-opted under the troon flag. It's all so tiresome.

No. 2192204

>>2192172
Nona, I think it’s pretty clear they were walking back on a joke. Birdo and Vivian are similar in that regard.

No. 2192210

>>2192172
he has a dick, that’s the only masculine trait he needs

No. 2192241

>>2192204
There's only two or three traps I can think of that haven't either walked it back or made the gender "(?)"

No. 2192256

It happened again. Someone who made really cool fanworks decided to hate on JKR, and hate on people who agree with JKR in a completely unrelated setting.

Farmers, convince me that I shouldn't take her fanworks and repost them on a website. She owns no copyright, and I don't think she can sue me for it. Please convince me that this is a bad idea.

No. 2192290

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>>2187409
I think this is the only part of any importance. You think he's talking about something deep and profound, something thought provoking
but no
it's just loli and anime shit but he's hiding behind queer art

No. 2192382

>>2178441
Pikachu getting lewded upsets me more than expected.

No. 2192443

>>2192256
Huh? Who’s the artist and what do you mean by reposting? Like on danbooru or something?

No. 2192474

>>2192443
Fic writer. I mean like just copypasting her fic on a neocities website or tumblr or something.

No. 2192484

>>2192290
I wonder if this guy is aware that most people who consume taboo shit don’t actually care about the topic beyond fetish fuel. I remember some Japanese man recounting how a fujo in the anime/movie industry reacted with disgust after finding out he was gay lol.

>>2192474
Ah. Yeah no, don’t do that lol especially since that’s shitty and it sounds like they have an online presence and someone will notice eventually. What’s the fic?

No. 2192582

>>2192256
She sounds like the type of neurotic asshat that would delete her art off the internet on a whim anyway, or would get turned onto by the woke mob, repost her shit under a burner account because fuck her.
But then again, I am evil, take what I say lightly.

No. 2192585

>>2192256
It's a good idea

No. 2192599

>>2192474
You should just archive her stuff locally in case she DFEs.

No. 2192699

Now that big anime like MHA and JJK are ending, where are their fans going to migrate to? Maybe Dandadan?

No. 2192717

>>2192699
It's over for Kagurabachi once the anime comes out, just today the fanbase was having a meltdown because one half of the most popular ship was confirmed to be, and I shit you not 17.5 years old, and it's now immoral to ship him with the 18 year old protagonist.

No. 2192718

>>2192712
Kek, it's like they just hate fun, but they're also such huge coomers that shipping has to be all about sex.

No. 2192722

>>2192718
Who cares if they like shipping for the sex. They harassed a fan artist and called her a pedo until she locked her account because
>OMG HE WAS ONLY 17 YEARS AND 364 DAYS OLD YOU SICK FUCK
I hate moralfags so much.

No. 2192726

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>>2190991
inshallah he will look at the camera and go "i'm sorry…but i'm a boy!" i want to see all the tras melt down

No. 2192727

>>2192717
I can't wait for all the death threats that will be sent!

No. 2192731

>>2192717
kekkkkk no fucking way

No. 2192741

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>>2191867
by their logic, you're literally a bigot if you're even disgusted

No. 2192760

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No. 2192761

>>2192760
>obvious joke
>REEE PURITANISM HIGH DISGUST SENSITIVITY RIGHT WING WHITE FEMINISM NAZI WAAAAH
Like clockwork. A hit dog will holler kek

No. 2192767

>>2192760
Troons(faggot in picrel is probably a troon) dramatize everything that harms their coom. Making fun of coomer artists, who are usually straight males, for drawing everything the same isn't even close to "puritanism". You're not even being made fun of for being a coomer you're being made fun of because you can't fucking draw. Do you notice how trannies also try to group in everything degenerate with anything gay? They use the gay community as a meatshield for their coom, which is why they're calling making fun of shit (heterosexual) artists "hays code".
>>2192741
No trannies, you cannot debatelord people into thinking your coom isn't degenerate. This is exactly how they made troonism mainstream too, they just debatelorded it into existence because most normies do not care (and are not autistic enough) to argue with them over it.

No. 2192816

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do you think the smiling friends creator's thought husbandofags would be his main fanbase

No. 2192818

>>2192816
Oneyplays fanbase is already heavily female if you base it off the convention videos. I think Zach started showing his face once he realized how many women were making up his fanbase. His little yellow guy is a recolor of his persona, after all.

No. 2192819

>>2192816
Kek this reminds me of when I was friends with this BPDfag girl who got a shitty smiling friends Alan tattoo in 2021

No. 2192820

>>2192760
Coomers are such babies, I love seeing them get bullied!

No. 2192821

>>2192816
Love the shameless dedication tbh

No. 2192836

>>2192717
It's the dumbest melt down I've seen in years. Now they're harassing artists to delete any ship art of the two as well as spicy solo art of the character because he's 17. It's a 7 month age gap between the two of them.

No. 2192837

>>2192816
i hate these attention whore yumes

No. 2192843

>>2192818
It might seem that way, but it’s still overwhelmingly male, it’s just that the women are the ones who make the majority of fan art, fics and even the concept of fandom

No. 2192844

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>>2192816
Oh he knows.m That faggot knows EXACTLY what he’s doing with making Pim kiss everyone and putting Charlie in this outfit. Also there’s lots of fanart already of him having sex and kissing his Oneyplays co workers so they definitely know.

No. 2192851

>>2192844
but it's different from how a moid like cdawgva panders, zach probably thinks it's hilarious seeing fujos and yumes obsess over his objectively ugly, freakish characters

No. 2192855

>>2192843
That’s why I said fanbase, not viewers. The only people I ever see make Smiling Friends/ Oneyplays fanart are females. It seems that males aren’t really anything more than casual fans.

No. 2192867

>>2192855
The gacha coomer tranny disease basically killed a lot of male fandoms.

No. 2192908

>>2186019
put black characters in cutesy games in cutesy outfits, that will definitely repel them

No. 2192911

>>2186386
i blame joss whedon and his faux feminism

No. 2192961

>>2192484
>I remember some Japanese man recounting how a fujo in the anime/movie industry reacted with disgust after finding out he was gay lol.
If it's who I think it is I think he didn't just say "I'm gay" but annoyed the fuck out of her and then acted like a poor littme victim on twitter, the same way most SJW at work tend to annoy their coworkers who usually don't care if you're gay or a minority.

No. 2192963

>>2192961
same anon I just remembered the details. The woman was his boss or somehow above him on a BL project, he was an animator for said project and was whining because he thought he should be promoted just because he's gay and it was a BL show. Then he was accusing said woman of homophobic discrimination on twitter.

No. 2192965

>>2192961
>>2192963
I believe it, every time I hear catty gay men (i.e. actual men, not he/him aydens) victimizing themselves over fujos it's always them being obnoxious as fuck and interpreting details to fit their narrative. Reminds me of that one gay American voice actor who was begging for roles in BL anime dubs and screamed about how much he loves Given and so forth but when he released his shitty book he bragged about how it's so much better than homophobic fetishizing Japanese fujo productions. It was hilarious seeing other gay men call him out for his bullshit and telling him to shut the fuck up.

No. 2192975

>>2192965
>Reminds me of that one gay American voice actor who was begging for roles in BL anime dubs
Yes I remember this bum like it was yesterday. And then his clueless friends were trying to defend him when he kept shit talking fujoshi by saying "how dare you attack a brave, stunning and strong queer gay poc voice actor!?" over and over again. He eventually apologized but I blocked him before that happened because I don't need some American guy insulting people who are the reason why he has a job on my tl.

No. 2192998

>>2192965
Lololol. Who was that?

No. 2192999

>>2192965
Was it that cookie fucker guy?

No. 2193000

>>2192760
This is true though? Nothing's stopping them from drawing same faced same bodied anime girls but changing it up won't break their dick. Speaking as an artist myself, drawing a variety of people and looks really helps in expanding your visual library. You're able to draw different kinds of people without ever having to ruin about if it looks right or looking off like someone who hasn't drawn anything else before. They can still do what they're doing, but don't expect anything but stagnation.

No. 2193009

>>2192998
>>2192999
Yeah it was the cookie run guy. I can't remember his name anymore because he was a Literal Who trying to stir up controversy for clout.

No. 2193027

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This discourse is actually infuriating. I do agree that the original post was retarded (mlm ships are popular because fandom is a female space and women like hot anime boys, it isn't any deeper than that), but the idea that only shipping mlm or not caring about female characters (especially in slop media which is what most of these people consume) is misogynistic is even more so. These are the same people who think that criticizing the sexualization of women in media is puritanism like in >>2192760, or who will call you a TERF and cancel you for having the most milquetoast feminism 101 opinions, why the fuck are they acting like they care about misogyny? I swear to God the only times I see fandom people talk about feminism nowadays is to call women misogynists for not being invested in anime characters, they don't give a fuck about real misogyny. Not even gonna get into how most of this discourse is spearheaded by AGPs because I might end up alogging if I do kek

No. 2193030

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I don't know anything about Bridgerton or why it's there but I feel like for almost every other show you can easily explain why there's such huge backlash with fans

Or maybe not with the Boys idk people thought it was mocking "all sides" and were annoyed when they realised it was just mocking right wingers, but it was kind of obviously just mocking them? and at most "starbucks leftist" types as well.

I remember a few threads ago nonnies said that Acolyte's hate is a myriad of reasons like the actress making a diss track and the show itself just being boring and not respecting the previous lore.

I feel like for House of the Dragon I could write a whole essay but the fact that GRRM wrote one long ass blogpost talking about one element of the show already explains why fans are so bitter, but the show itself is just not good and was doomed to fail from S1 anyway since they don't want to focus on the actual story and the show runners are obsessed with the idea of "2 women trying to find themselves in war" with 2010s tumblr ideas on feminism instead of 2 entitled siblings fighting to sit on a throne and everyone sucks.

Is that the female Doctor Who? Judging from how even tumblr ignored it i'll have to assume it's boring af

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>>2193030
There's something really funny about this quote. Do exces go demand changes mid project because someone on reddit and twitter threw a temper tantrum? Doesn't that just make the end product shit and disorganized?

The only example i could think of is sonic (if you don't believe that the entire thing is a marketing stunt anyway)

I wonder what shows and movies received this treatment

No. 2193032

>>2193030
>Bridgerton
What tf is Bridgerton doing that it can get on the same list as The Boys or GOT? it's the most inoffensive bland plain oatmeal show. They sell Bridgerton bath sets at Hobby Lobby that's the flavour of fanbase we're talking about here

No. 2193035

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>>2193032
Racist fans apparently
I'm a bit shocked, Bridgeton doesn't come off as a serious show I thought everyone was aware that it's a very silly show you watch to see "hot people" making out in period clothes

No. 2193038

>>2187751
I'll honestly go as far as to say that Korekiyo is definitely bi. And not just because he's flamboyant.

No. 2193040

>>2193038
>siscon
>a bifaggot
Huh?

No. 2193048

>>2193031
what's the selection criteria for these 'superfans' though? so many people claim to be massive fans of things, especially legacy properties (eg star wars), but then seem to have a seething hatred or disrespect for core components or turn out to be the kind of person who just wants to bend the property into being about their interests and revolve around their characters (often blatant self-inserts/classic fanfic mary sues kek), rather than what originally appealed to audiences, let alone fans, in the first place (and I'm not even going to rant about the political/ideological bent these types tend to have, but it does make them seem like grifters looking for an easy in with something with brand recognition). Also it doesn't take a fan to be able to learn lore and work out what the essence of a given story is, especially not these days when you have a wiki for everything and video essays breaking that shit down for free, the only things stopping people from making something competent are ego, disinterest and/or a severe lack of skill.

does anyone else feel like the fandoms that often get brought up like this as being 'toxic fandoms' aren't what you'd really describe as one as someone who actually spends time in fan spaces? it always feels like a shitty attempt to deflect criticism (or get some attention on something that's main problem isn't vocal, angry fans but an absent and indifferent audience), not acknowledging widespread shitty/unhinged fan behaviour.

No. 2193058

>>2193048
>what's the selection criteria for these 'superfans' though?
Yeah I was thinking about that, I came across people who's entire online persona is a bizarre "influencer" for some kind of franchise but they seem to lowkey not understand what makes something good.

> it always feels like a shitty attempt to deflect criticism

It does honestly that whole article reads out like that. If you spend any time in these fandoms they're calling out (except Bridgeton idk why they're mentioned) you kind of understand why the fans are annoyed and it just boils down to "don't mess with the story/core parts of the franchise" but because these studios have a culture of "making the thing your own" it will always clash.

I do agree that some fans are toxic and want to blame their slop being slop on a woman, poc, or gays but sometimes slop is just slop. Anything post Lucas in Star Wars was never going to be good the only good show seems to be Andor because it's not trying to one up the previously established characters like every other movie or show has. Andor is just playing in it's little cornor, same as that Star Wars game with the ginger character. No one cares that the antagonist was black the story was good and fun and that ginger guy wasn't pushed as being better to pre-established characters.

Idk man it's just…not that difficult.
If these executives are so scared of fans in legacy media why not just make original shows? or at least pick a book/series/franchise that's actually shitty. can you imagine people writing essays defending a slop adaptation for Colleen HJoover?

No. 2193059

>>2193027
I do think it's much deeper than just "womenz like hot menz yoaiz" because fujos aren't a monolith and treating them as such only turns into circular arguments that go nowhere but that said the people who in 2005 were the moid otakus whining about fujos being rape porn addicted degenerates are now the AGP troons whining about fujos being "misogynist male worshipers" for not giving them lesbian porn to coom to. In their typical moid mindset they think anything that women have for themselves is somehow a net loss for them, i.e. the amount of BL drawn directly converts to the amount of potential moidgaze lesbian porn lost. This time around the underage girls they groomed to do their bidding just aren't the "ecchi irl anime girl loli" pickmes they used to be but the "sapphic" yuri shippers.

No. 2193090

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>>2193027
>complex male characters
lmao

No. 2193098

>>2193090
@999JOESTAR isn't wrong, kek.

No. 2193099

>>2193027
Not that there isn't a problem with how female characters are portrait in a lot of media, but there comes a point where I start to wonder why won't people read a book if they want good female characters so much.
>>2193059
>I do think it's much deeper than just "womenz like hot menz yoaiz"
But that's unironically the most dignified stance to take.

No. 2193115

>>2193098
Gege being called homo for such mild bait will never not be funny to me.

No. 2193119

>>2193059
>I do think it's much deeper than just "womenz like hot menz yoaiz"
Ayrt and how much deeper can it be, really? The most I can say is that women turn to BL instead of, say, yume content because BL allows them to fantasize about men without having to deal with the fact that their husbandos would be misogynistic pig moids if they were real and could actually date them, but at the end of the day it's all about watching hot boys doing hot things.
Which is fine, btw, I wasn't trying to be disparaging or criticize fujos when I said that's why women like BL. In fact, I think it's based of women to sexualize anime boys and make them kiss each other, and I think it's even more based when they do it to the characters that moids like. It doesn't need to be deep to be, as the wokies would say, valid kek

No. 2193130

>>2193115
Given how Kirara and Hakari act around each other and how the very last chapter ends with Sukuna holding Uraume's hand and wanting to be reincarnated with him because he loves him or whatever and how Gege revealed that Uraume was a guy all along but reincarnated in some woman's body in the volume 28 extras but couldn't put it in the manga because he had to rush everything before or after getting surgery I'd say that's a lot of mild baits here and there.

No. 2193140

>>2193090
>white queers
As if poc or westernized queers are any different

These people all consume the same mid and tame shit

No. 2193145

>>2193032
>>2193035
It was based on books and the couple that was most popular was a widow and a hot guy but they introduced the hot guy as some black woman.
So this couple that had fans because it was about finding love after loss turns into just some queer story that appeals to a niche audience of 8% instead of the fans.
And of course they only cast a black actress to deflect any criticism to
>how dare you be racist
when the real argument is that the writer fundamentally ruined the story to suit her niche interests.

No. 2193149

>>2193130
Tbh I don't count female bodies/souls, generally. Always seems like a cop out.

No. 2193175

>>2193090
the people calling their shipping fan content "queer art" are just enabling bitch baby antis like this. i wish women would stop trying to rationalize their own entertainment for once, just enjoy it ffs.
>to white queers
what?? lmfao these retards love to infantilize nonwhite people and act as if they're a monolith consisting of mormons clutching their pearls at anything spicier than PG coffee shop handholding fluff between het characters or heartstopper tier ships.

No. 2193240

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>>2193090
This image made me die laughing, how the fuck does some unnamed piece of cardboard have over a thousand shipping fics.

No. 2193255

>>2193240
KEKK he doesn't even have a name. Nice "complexity" there.

No. 2193261

>>2193240
Samefagging, meant to reply to this one >>2193027
Also, apparently she was referring to HP fanfiction IIRC. I’ve seen characters from there that have never interacted have a large amount of fanfics purely based on headcanon so I’ve never understood why the same wouldn't apply to female characters if people feel like they’re too “flat”. Just say you like two men kissing.

No. 2193287

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the girl that twitter is convinced Xilonen's idle was based on has been convinced by these retards to try and sue hoyoverse even though a) she doesnt own the dance moves b) xilonens idle was chopped up in the video to fit her video better and c) the idle has actually been changed in the live version so hoyoverse can get her for viewing/spreading leaked beta content. 14 year olds on twitter are going to get this girl bankrupt kek

No. 2193315

>>2193027
Most women are straight and hence want to write fanfics about two guys, this isn’t a great sin.

No. 2193322

>>2193315
Being an unapologetic straight woman who doesn't lie about her sexuality to fit in is the biggest sin you can commit in fandom.

No. 2193334

>>2193287
These genshin player's never cared when genshin ripped other games or straight up ripped combat animations from other companies. What a fake virtue signaling.

No. 2193341

>>2193287
>suing china for stealing ideas
She can't be that stupid can She?

No. 2193345

>>2193334
which ones?

No. 2193347

>>2193315
>>2193322
Second biggest sin, because here's this diva asking the one question most normie m/m fans have been holding back on asking out of fear for "cancelation". Maybe the tides are finally turning on the pastel menace in fandom spaces.

No. 2193363

>>2193347
She's a millimeter away from peaking and I hope her followers do too.

No. 2193383

>>2193345
Aside from the obvious one, there were video comparing attacks between genshin with nier automata and DmC. It was particularly funny to see from a distance, as genshin ripoffs started to show a few years later, then suddenly genshin fans cared about it.

No. 2193420

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>>2193347
i hope she peaks because damn there are some reeal retards in her comments.. also interesting that one commenter points out that the "cuntboy" genre gained popularity specially after the troon boom and tifs started harassing fujos after it..ive also noticed it in chi/jap bl communities that more and more fujos are open to tif cuntboy now too strangely? when i asked one jp fujo she just she sees it as a extreme gender bender genre and not anything lgbt?? i wonder how much of this has spread unto chi bl communities aswell

No. 2193431

>>2193420
>when I passed the best as a man in high school
What?
>getting compared to bottoms cause rounder features
Again, what? Does she think bottom gay men have a phenotype?

No. 2193450

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>>2193420
Okay I went down a rabbit hole and it looks like he tiktok kiddies are starting to fight back against this bullshit

No. 2193467

we have a fujo discourse thread for this

No. 2193479

>>2193031
At that point, why not just produce an original IP. The executives get to be free of fan expectations, which I wasn't aware was something they worried about this much.
The director and writers get to avoid dealing with fans who want you to be caught up on years of lore and meta lore as well.
???
No seriously why adapt franchises in the first place if these nutcase executives want to allocate a whole marketing team to make sure their movies/shows don't offend people AND appeal to fans. How will they decide what a "super fan" is. You can't just roam on reddit and pick people. For some properties you have the Main Subreddit which usually sucks and is filled with people who are happy to take whatever they see on screen then you have the crazy fans which form subgroups and it can go in either direction.

I know these MBA executives don't have time to venture into autistic fan spaces, no one really should but really just…make an original IP at this point instead of wading into shit flinging Star Wars competition

No. 2193494

>>2193479
They don't make original IPs because Hollywood has adopted the extreme risk aversion approach in the last 10 years. If it's not guaranteed to sell, they won't make it. There is no innovation in Hollywood anymore. That, and the writers are extremely narrow and narcissistic in their approach to writing. I watched a video a while back basically explaining how modern writers have forgotten that the purpose of entertainment to to entertain an audience, and they instead use their work as a personal diary to broadcast their neuroses and beliefs onto the world.

No. 2193546

>>2193261
>Just say you like two men kissing.
and when women say that they get accused of "fetishizing" gay men. women can't win no matter what

No. 2193556

>>2193149
In Uraume's case it's a man with a "male soul" whatever you mean by that.

No. 2193596

>>2193494
There's no innovation unless it comes to adapting pre-established stories then all of a sudden "we want to make it our own!" pops up.
> use their work as a personal diary to broadcast their neuroses and beliefs onto the world.
I'd like to watch that video, plz share if you remember it

No. 2193698

>>2193287
They changed the dance for the official release so the situation is as follows:
>Some dumbass leaker breaks the rules for beta testers and leaks Xilonen's idle dance to social media
>The characters are motion captured so someone at Mihoyo had to perform the dance themselves anyway
>Placeholder movements are used all the time and will be changed for the final release
>Someone takes the video and edits it to the point it looks almost identical to this girl's rollerskate dance
>Twitter blows it out of proportions, starts blowing up this poor girl's inbox telling her a big game corporation stole her video
>She has never heard of this game and doesn't know about the context other than what twitter randos tell her
>Girl contacts law professionals to ask what she can do about it
>Posts a video about how she would have to sue in 80 countries and the choreography isn't hers
>The official finalized idle is released
>It looks completely different from the edited leak
>Twitter learns nothing from this

No. 2193702

>>2193287
>chopped up
It was the exact same dance right down to the hand movements. The only thing "chopped" was the spin at the end which also matches up with the dance.

No. 2193733

>>2193059
>I do think it's much deeper than just "womenz like hot menz yoaiz"
But is it really? It does feel like people keep dancing around the fact that women just like seeing hot men kiss as much as men like seeing hot women kiss. I'm not saying every fujo is straight, just that lot of them, probably a quieter majority are straight.

No. 2193797

>>2193733
I think it's "deeper" in the sense that analyzing any genre of fiction in a way that goes beyond the surface level "it's just hot" always results in discovering underlying ideas, but the problem is people take conclusions from media analysis and then try to make moral judgements about the people who engage in those works without ever interacting with said group of people. Media analysis is fun, until certain people turn into armchair psychology of randoms online.

No. 2193818

>>2193733
Female sexuality tends to be much more complex and tied to the society around us, not comparable to scrotes just cooming to whatever meme fetish they conditioned their dick to, and it's worth analyzing why some women are drawn to BL because fujoism is still a niche in the grand scheme of things and most women are only into straight content. Like >>2193797 said it's not worth drawing moral judgment from or much less weaponize against women because it's harmless fun, but it's an interesting topic that has a lot more nuance than just "two men hot" since there are a lot of BL series with no sex at all or only a minimal amount of it while the focus is heavily on other traits of the relationship.

No. 2193951

>>2193347
She's right tbh and the girls calling themselves ftm are transing because of moids irl objectifying them, they're just projecting onto fujoshi because fujos are considered easy targets since tifs can't call out moids for their objectification without risk of violence. I see so many tifs in the comments sections of manga sites too so they're all hypocrites for getting mad at normie fujos.

No. 2194159

>>2193479
Bet you that even if they did make an original ip, they'd pull the exact same complaints over its fans if they dared get uppity like those following existing ips. On a technical level, nothing that those existing fandoms complain about or criticise is unique to the ip being pre-established before these creators get their hands on it, especially if the new ip is serialised like a tv show– you can fuck up pre-established lore between sentences if you're shit enough at writing, or can make a story uninviting by being too focused on your own wants and interests, alienating your audience, at any point in a piece of fiction if your motivations aren't, at the core, to tell a good story to other people.

No. 2194235

>>2193145
Everything I hear about the show feels like it's made by a bunch of ex-tumblrinas.
>Love interest is fat and has several sex scenes
>look at how heckin progressive we are
It was literally all people talked about when she was introduced. One of my flat mates kept raving on about how much of a Good Thing it was and she kept urging me watch Bridgerton

No. 2194243

>>2194159
It won't be as bad as pre-established works, you're not baiting an inbuilt fanbase then pissing them off. That's where the 'toxic fans' come from.

>you can fuck up pre-established lore between sentences

That's going to be because of bad planning. Usually the creators of shows have a "bible" guide for their show or something similar. Any failure here is the result of creators who aren't exactly passionate or who didn't plan out their story/world that much.
If you don't like Viziepop's shows you just move on and find something else, raging about how she's not portraying demons in a certain way becomes unhinged it's her story.
Same for other shows like idk RWBY and the Dragon Prince. People just move on lol
I remember when the Dragon Prince came out people got bored and moved on, not many stuck around to complain and rage and because it's a new IP you didn't develop a toxic fanbase even though it ticks the boxes for what these idiot executives and marketing people would expect would attract the fans they're apparently terrified of
>diverse setting
>racially/ethnically diverse kingdom
>trans elf
>black coded elves
etc etc, yet no one cares, it would be unhinged to complain about that you just move on to something else (which is what happened)

>or can make a story uninviting by being too focused on your own wants and interests

at that point that's just bad writing or the concept itself not being interesting.
That's different from say taking a story about a family in a dynastic civil war and turning it into "two women trying to find themselves, queer edition" while having the characters spout modern sensibilities despite the pseudo-medieval world they live in and having previously established moral standards in the book and sequel.


The article itself is very mild and imo fails to even properly talk about what or why there exists toxic fans, it's also quite idk 'one sided' in how it talks about it. The fandom i'm most familiar with is House of the Dragon and the reason it's in the article was because of the episodes which had 2 women kissing received a lot of negative reviews. The scene itself was very jarring (and borderline disturbing but it's not framed that way) and it's not even clear whether the kiss was scripted or not which made fans even more annoyed. The article completely omits any mention of how the actors get harassed, stalked etc (esp the actors for the "bad side" in the show) but that doesn't fit into the thesis of the article which is "white fan(boys) are fragile and executives are scared of fan(boys)".

No. 2194271

I am doing some personal research about fandoms that have mostly died when their fanbase grew up. Homestuck is the most prime example but are there are any others that have that same pattern? I've also been thinking about relatively new fandoms in that regard. I'm predicting Ranfren's fandom will suffer the same fate since it's full of young teens and I've yet to see anyone over 23 in that fandom. Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel seem like they will have a more enduring fanbase since I've seen they have some older fans. Maybe my predictions will be wrong though. I'd like to hear some thoughts.

No. 2194273

>>2193951
that's the cope you've invented for yourself

No. 2194275

>>2184824
Very late but I knew a moid who is a huge fan of her work. He seemed more into the furry women and self-inserting as the man, however. He was into femdom and furry women so yeah. I think he also did appreciate the technical aspects of her work though.

No. 2194287

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>>2193027
somewhat related

No. 2194290

>>2194271
That's an interesting idea, but how do you differentiate between a fandom dying down because its fanbase grew older vs it dying down simply because it stops getting official content?
Hetalia comes to mind as a fandom that was insanely big 15 or so years ago and then just kinda died (it still has its dedicated fans, it's just tiny compared to the behemoth it once was), though I don't know if it's still getting content these days. I also don't know how much of that decrease in popularity is due to people growing up and how much is due to the subject matter not being considered appropriate anymore in the current turbowoke fandom ecosystem.

Regardless of the reasons, I think overall people move on from fandoms much quicker these days. Used to be that people would stay in the same fandom for years and years, now people hop from flavor of the month to flavor of the month instead. Probably has a lot to do with the monetization of fandom (artists who live off commissions have to constantly chase the newest trends to maximize their income). That's also probably part of the reason why fandom interpretation of characters is so shit nowadays, people don't have the time to get used to the source material before moving on to the next fandom so they just reuse the same headcanons regardless of them not being appropriate for their favorite character of the month.

No. 2194293

>>2193951
> the girls calling themselves ftm are transing because of moids irl objectifying them
as much i want to believe this i am seeing more and more examples of tifs who troon out because of bl and being in coomer spaces, so i dont know if this is true anymore i do believe that most tifs troon out because of misogyny but there is a small percentage of them that troon out because of their porn brainrot like how some tims do. i dont feel like this is the thread to discuss that topic though and it would be better suited for the fujo discourse thread

No. 2194307

>>2194271
It depends? Some fandoms just do not die off
I don't understand how or why Gravity Falls still has an active fan base? Is it because of the ugly man trend being a thing in art circles?

No. 2194317

>>2194307
Gravity Falls recently had a book about the triangle come out, so that reinvigorated the fandom in general, but it's also had other peripheral media and lore/puzzle titbits since the series ended, so fans can stay casually engaged with it despite there being no major new content. I think it was also a show that greatly benefited from coming out in the right time and place, as it was really big on tumblr and reddit in a way that created a good foundation for long-term interest– people theorising, decoding the ciphers, combing through episodes for single frame clues and backwards messages, meta, shipping, silly/edgy AUs, and cross appeal to people interested in broader 'fandoms' eg cryptids. It is interesting though that it seems to have outlasted its contemporaries, even the ones with large and active fandoms at the time.

No. 2194350

>>2194290
You're right that there are more factors to it than the fans' average age. Homestuck's fandom died down considerably due to the Giga-Pause and the fandom did also grow up and leave it behind during that time. Plus, of course, people's changing attitudes affects this too. It's also interesting to think about how much the fan works affects how fans view the official work. Homestuck was kept alive for a bit during the Giga Pause by fan works but that alone wasn't enough to keep people's interest.

I've been thinking about how small-scale creators can gain success from fandoms and constantly creating content is definitely a huge key. I've wondered before like nona here >>2194307 how Gravity Falls still has a dedicated fanbase and this >>2194317 is very insightful.

Ranfren has a interesting fandom to me that seems like it will suffer a similar fate to Homestuck's fandom. Its creator suffers from mental issues and hasn't even updated the comic itself in over a year. I see it fading out in a year or two since comic itself is pretty shallow and I don't see the creator making enough content to keep it engaging.

No. 2194465

>See retarded wall of text mega-reach analysis of why anime boy is akshually queer and body positive LGBTQASDF+ and his story is a queer allegory
>Look inside
>Person also "kins" said character so is the expert and nobody can disagree
Every fucking time

No. 2194471

>>2194350
In regards to the homestuck fandom, I think part of it dying down also had to do with how the perception of the fandom became quite negative as bad/bizarre fan behaviour at cons and online started to become popular stories to bandy around about the fandom, and, at least from my outsider perspective, internally the fandom seemed to have a lot of issues that made it unpleasant for people to be in if they were normal fans (many of which spread to other fandoms and changed their cultures, as has been discussed in previous threads). So it was no longer cool or fun to be a part of (something similar happened with Voltron, where it went from a big, popular fandom to one that was outright maligned– never forget previous fans referring to the show as 'the v slur' after its final season aired kek, or how it became well known for crazy fan antics like attempting to blackmail the studio over a ship, klance truthers/the klible/general ship wars, bizarre and aggressive discourse, and harassment of other fans and staff).

I think fandoms and their eventual deaths are much harder to gauge now, as many that look like they'll have long lives turn out to just be a a rabid, flavour of the month frenzy before the fans pack up and leave for the next shiny thing, rather than large communities interested in mulling over the piece of media for the long haul because they just like it that much.

No. 2194509

>>2194471
Fandoms are also dying quicker because the media isn't getting any better.
I think the biggest Fandom I've seen into "new" stuff has been the Genshit Fandom, it still lives, but because the writing gets shittier and shittier, the Fandom has been dying progressively.
It's the same as more "obscure" stuff like Toilet Bound Hanako, that shit would've been like Crack for young adults and teenagers back in 2010, but because all manga editing companies want to create the next one piece or the authors drop like flies, they make too much filler or the stories get odd pacing after the anime is released.
Then you have people trying to make stories on the western side, but they all get sucked into the social media void where if shit doesn't go viral you're fucked and if it goes viral you're fucked too because everyone will try to pick at the flaws or invented flaws that whatever you're making has.

No. 2194558

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a few weeks back, I saw picrel (fanart of female laios) go viral, with some people commenting that this was more accurate to how female laios would look and act compared to ryoko kui's version. they didn't realize that kui's gender swap actually considered how much gender and social issues matter in a person's development, laios was born in an extremely conservative village, he was was only able to leave because he was a guy, As a daughter, he wouldn’t have had that option, instead he would have been either arranged to be married or pressured into it as for his appearance being thinner, girls are also more likely socialized to be more socially aware and to bottle up all of their "weirdness," so I can imagine someone like that being very cynical and withdrawn. It's the same reason why male falin would end up looking almost identical to laios just a little softer

No. 2194562

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Been off Twitter for 2 months & I'm catching up. The bar is so low nowadays, I can't stop laughing at this tweet; "No one cared more about Palestine" (read: retweeted dead children for visibility instead of actually helping), "Actual creeps" (people shipping some guy with a monster). I love how no one there has actual problems.

No. 2194563

>>2194558
At least for once a male to female genderbend isn't just an ultra coomerified version of the original but actually looks like the character if he was female.

No. 2194575

>>2194558
Both versions are valid though I'm leaning more towards knight tomboy laios. I just want more werid gnc women in the weebshit I consume.

No. 2194583

>>2194465
Share it with the class.

No. 2194587

>>2194558
Yeah, Ryoko Kui was making a point, if a sad one.
I do think the fanart where female Laios manages to escape and become a tomboy knight are cute and hopeful though.

No. 2194592

>>2194558
I get you anon– the fan genderbend design isn't bad or wrong or anything, but the attitude of putting the creator's version of a genderbend AU down in order to prop up this design is just dumb and also ignores that Ryoko Kui came at the concept as a writing and design challenge, so Laios ended up different beyond just being female (as it should be when playing around with 'what ifs', the result shouldn't be 'basically the same but with a different skin', they should tell you something more about the world/characters). She's actually showing off how well she does understand her characters and story world by going the extra step of figuring out what being born female would have actually meant for Laios, and I wish the fans saying otherwise could realise that their preference for buff lady knight Laios does not equal it being more accurate or whatever, they just like it more than the rather dour logical conclusion Ryoko Kui came to (which is fair, of course).

No. 2194601

>>2194509
I feel like anime and TV show seasons being shorter and often getting dropped all at once plays a big factor as well. It's harder for people to stay invested in a fandom long-term wehen there's only so much story to work with and it may be years between seasons.
A lot of the more consistent fandoms I see lately are weekly manga fandoms, since those get new content every week for years on end.
>>2194290
>I think overall people move on from fandoms much quicker these days
I think a big part of that is that for a lot of trendy fandoms, people care less about the specific content of the source material and more about the experience of being in a big bustling fandom and understanding all the injokes and references. When people lack deep attatchment to the source material, they move from one series to the next pretty quickly.

No. 2194656

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Handmaidens and tifs loosing their mind in the comment section of picrel because “it’s a child” when it’s literally ADULT daniel radcliffe. There was a countdown website for when Emma Watson turned 18 but no a poor grown man being sexualized is the end of the world. It’s weird but I don’t really give a shit considering moids so far worse.

No. 2194661

>>2194656
Why do they even care? Kek, I thought Harry potter was sooo evil because he was made by Satan, also known as JK Rowling.

No. 2194667

>>2194656
He's paper and ink? who in the hell cares how old he is. Do people forget fictional characters can be molded and changed by anyone? he could be 18+ for all we know and they'd still seethe over it.

No. 2194669

>>2194656
Moralfagging aside, that zipper like design is so aesthetically repulsive

No. 2194670

>>2194656
The real question is why would you permanently put this on your body

No. 2194671

>>2194656
I was scrolling by and I thought this was some random guy from a TV show. Doesn't look like Radcliffe at all. It's an ugly af tattoo regardless.
>>2194661
Daniel is still loved because he's the most pro-trans out of all the cast.

No. 2194672

>>2194667
Iirc according to the comments Daniel was 11 during that scene (apparently it’s a pornified rendition of some scene where he catches a ball thing in his mouth?) so it makes some sense but a. He is clearly an adult in the tattoo b. No one would care if it was a moid getting a tattoo of a girl

No. 2194678

>>2194669
not even a potterfag but i think thats the quidditch ball thing, its just such a shitty tat that it looks like its uniform around his face and a zipper kek

No. 2194679

>>2194656
Why would you tattoo this on yourself

No. 2194721

https://www.tumblr.com/ugly-anarchist/763252057657442304/fixing-the-issue-of-anti-masculinity-also-means?source=share
>being this unsubtle with your pro masculinity anti femininity viewpoints
Men beating the shit out of everyone good! Women reading gay shit bad!(this is an imageboard)

No. 2194723

>>2194721
Imageboard, newfag.

No. 2194731

>>2194723
Post is too long to SC

No. 2194734

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>>2194721
>moids
is this bitch lurking here? lmaoooo

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No. 2194741

>>2194739
>they will be extremely homophobic towards lesbians
Never got this one, even in the early 2000s I don’t think fujos had a problem with lesbians.

No. 2194758

>>2194741
I'd wager some do, but not to extent anti-fujos claim they are. A good number are lesbian too. What are they gonna do with this info? Toss it aside when proven inconvenient? They go on and on about how fujos are these icky demons but rally behind literal degens without a hint of irony. They have no room to speak on this crap.

No. 2194766

>>2194739
>>2194721
Extremely rich reading this in the wake of the recent events with Alien Stage where a yurifag started harassing the lesbian female creator's lesbian girlfriend because she was a fujo and blamed her for putting a male couple in the show and "brainwashing" the creator because fuck real life dykes right.

No. 2194770

>>2194739
>"Real queer men are made uncomfortable"
>Check profile
>Aiden
Every time.

No. 2194793

>>2194287
Don't even need context to know those featureless Character dynamic blobs are the source of this post. I hate that fucking meme damn much.

No. 2194812

>>2194287
Unironically based tweets. Shitty het dynamics deserve to be called out, the only kind of m/f ships that I like actually have the characters be equally competent, no retarded dom/sub setting and both are equally attractive and you couldn't imagine how fucking hard it is to find hetships like that.

No. 2194831

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>>2194812
Do rec some if you find any, nonny

No. 2194865

>>2194812
>the only kind of m/f ships that I like actually have the characters be equally competent
It also works if they're equally retarded but only if it's in a comedy, not in serious stories like Nana with Hachi having a negative IQ and all her love interests being equally stupid or only thinking with their dick.

No. 2194869

>>2194812
Lel I like femdom but I fucking hate the twitter take on it. It's always "she pegs him" and bland dommy mommy shit. I'm one of the biggest artists for a ship in my fandom where the woman is a bit more dominant and I keep getting zoomers making pegging and mpreg jokes on my art. Like dude I'm posting sfw stuff here, I don't want to hear your sex HCs.
I'm starting to prefer both characters in a ship to be equal because honestly annoying Twitter zoomers are less likely to act like retards about it.

No. 2194901

>>2193347
very interesting how you never see this with men reading/fetishizing yuri/lesbians even though thats a way more widespread issue.
hmmmmmMM

No. 2194912

>>2194271
I don't think most fandoms last long enough for their fans to outgrow them because the source material comes to an end eventually. The best examples I can think of otherwise that you might be interested in are fandoms for Marvel/DC comics, Star Wars, Star Trek, and the like. These fandoms endure for decades because the source material is constantly being updated and given new material because it has the weight of multimillion dollar companies to continue pushing it. Here you do see people aging out of fandom while the fandom itself continues to exist. Ongoing manga can be similar in that it takes years for manga to conclude so some fans will outgrow it.

No. 2194928

>>2194739
These kinds of posts are so funny, no one is saying any of that. OP was around for superwholock and yaoi paddling and still isn't over it kek

No. 2195074

>>2194865
Equally retarded couples work too in a comedic setting like you said, but they can also balance each other out with different fields of competence. And balance is the key here, a lot of the times even the people demanding more hetships treat the female character in their ships as a blank slate waifu with no layers or agency beyond one personality trait be it either a dommy mommy, a manic pixie dream girl or a damsel in distress.

No. 2195085

>>2194912
Yeah most fandoms end when the thing loses its spark and becomes repetitive a la zombie Simpsons or it ends altogether and there's no new material keeping it on the radar for potential new fans and the old ones move on to other things. I presume the only properties to lose their fans by having them grow up are literal children's cartoons because kids grow so fast they can turn into completely different people in just a year's span of time.

No. 2195096

>>2194831
That reminds me, her nendo’s coming out this month and a handholding part is included for them, cute.

No. 2195101

>>2194812
With het ships, I've seen some insane obsession to push dominance/submission. Why is there a need to have a power imbalance in every het ship? Is there nothing in their personalities that people can pull from? I'm sick of both the girlboss and the daddy dom stuff, both used in such generic souless ways that just water down every possible character and ship into some boring repetitive trope.
>>2194869
If they didn't push it in such a reductive way into all ships, then maybe I wouldn't hate it now. I would like a femdom ship, but they push it so far, if a guy is submissive he's suddenly a total retard and they keep saying shit like "he's so breedable!". Sorry you have to deal with that shit in your art, I would snap if it were me.

No. 2195114

>>2195101
the "I'll get him pregnant" comment always gives me the ick, because it really shows how womanhod is so highly despised, imagine trying to frame the concept of giving life as something demeaning

No. 2195217

>>2194656
Fucking KEK this is the first time I've seen a bondage tattoo of a male.

No. 2195250

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>>2195114
>>2195101
I don't think it's outright misogynistic. It most likely comes from relating to a male character to the point of obsession and then projecting yourself onto them

No. 2195450

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>>2194287
the original post

No. 2195455

>>2194287
>>2195450
everyone who sethees at this is some pickme like fanny(who has rt these posts like 3 times already)

No. 2195456

>>2194869
and why is it always about pegging and breeding and never pussy/clit worship

No. 2195458

>>2195456
tbh there is nothing dominating about the latter

No. 2195459

>>2195458
nta but I don't want to see a man's butthole or see think about him being pregnant

No. 2195461

>>2195458

It is when I'm suffocating him with my pussy by sitting on his face like a seat while gripping his hair shoving him harder into my cunt as I grind on him

No. 2195462

>>2195458
thinking domination has to be about penetration/impregnation is moid-centric rhetoric
>inb4 "but it's unrealistic!!"
as if mpreg is realistic. says a lot how so many people in fandom claim to be transgressive and subversive but cannot think outside this one box

No. 2195464

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>>2195114
Bless you nonnie, I've been searching for the right way to describe this and you nailed it.
Also, the ora ora get pregnant meme is garbage and I'm so fucking tired of my fandoms being flooded with it

No. 2195466

>>2195462
the whole point is that pregnancy is fundamentally tied to female biology, if you have a male character "get pregnant" then they aren't male anymore

No. 2195469

>>2195466
Exactly, why not portray men being dominated without giving them female biology?

No. 2195470

>>2195464
This meme is about a character's origin story being two characters accidentally producing another character that's suspiciously a clash of their personalities. It's funny. It's not some evil mpreg agenda, I swear anons here need to spend less time here to ease the paranoid farms brainrot.

No. 2195471

>>2194287
People just can't be normal about it in fandom spaces it's really weird.
What happened to "I think they're cute and they give me fuzzy feelings"

No. 2195472

>>2195470
>It's funny.
referencing the bottom of the barrel scrote-tier meme that is "plap plap get pregnant" will never not be cringy.

No. 2195474

>>2195470
I agree that it's not mpreg propaganda
Still unfunny and lame af

No. 2195476

>>2195461
>>2195462
domination is about humilliation, there is nothing humilliating about a man getting to eat pussy. Sorry but femdom fundamentally doesnt work because men crave pussy, they commit mass shootings and become incels because they cant get pussy. Unless its some female fat ugly bastard buring some twinks lips into a fat smelly hairy pussy, then its not really femdom because its not humilliating a man.

No. 2195478

>>2195476
You are deluded, talk to rl women/go to any online space that gives relationship advice and you'll find women grumbling about how men want want to recieve bjs but refuse to eat pussy.

No. 2195480

>>2195478
It's still not humilliating though. Plus you cant force someone to give you oral as a woman kek like they can just shut their lips, its not the same as having a dick where you can actually hurt someone if you force them to give you head. I am sorry but one things zoomies got right is that pegging is the only way to humilliate men, because anal is inherently humilliating for both genders. There is a reason why women cant rape men, its impossible.

No. 2195481

>>2195480
Hard agree although you can force a beer bottle up a blacked out guys ass, so keep your chin up princess

No. 2195483

>>2195481
yes but I don't want to do that, it's gross and I would be worried he might shit

No. 2195485

>>2195476
And men don't get pregnant in real life so I don't understand this "but muh realism" thinking
>men crave pussy
Women don't crave dick the way men crave pussy yet still deny it and project it on women. It actually makes more sense for a male to be a "pussyslut" than for a woman to be a "cockslut"

No. 2195486

>>2195483
then you arent really into dominating men. Men put their dicks into their gfs poopers because they like to see them feel pain and suffer, they dont give a fuck about their dicks getting shit on.
>>2195484
are you okay anon i never said that

No. 2195490

>>2195485
i dont know why you are talking about mpreg, i wasnt talking about that. I also dont understand what you mean by your last sentence? its humilliating for a woman to suck dick, yes, its not humilliating for a man to eat pussy. There is a reason why female rapists get convicted for sticking shit into their bfs asses without unconsent instead of for putting their pussies in his mouth. If you dont believe me you can check male rape victims testimonies, all of them claim their gfs stick shit in their asses kek

No. 2195491

>>2195476
>>2195480
Agree. Domination is making someone be at your mercy mentally and physically, and "grinding pussy against his mouth so he suffocates" sounds like a moid's biggest fantasy to be honest. He can still overpower you and he probably enjoys a woman desiring him so much that she'd go feral rubbing her pussy over her face. It isn't degrading to a male because he's getting what most men want i.e. female attention and physical contact, nor is it humiliating or dangerous to him. The only way I know femdom would actually work would be if the pleasure came from mental control and degradation rather than physical restraint and contact.

No. 2195492

>>2195491
that or if the woman is really nasty and ugly, men only claim rape when an ugly woman hits on them. Its why those ''girl boss'' femdom fantasies are so fucking cringe.

No. 2195493

>>2195456
Exactly, you have to think about your own pleasure, how it serves YOU and dgaf about the scrote.

No. 2195494

>>2195492
well they are for men

No. 2195496

>>2195486
>then you arent really into dominating men. Men put their dicks into their gfs poopers because they like to see them feel pain and suffer, they dont give a fuck about their dicks getting shit on.
Nta, but no, males just don't care because they're less disgusted by things because they're scrotums.
>>2195491
>The only way I know femdom would actually work would be if the pleasure came from mental control and degradation rather than physical restraint and contact.
I agree. There's unfortunately a need for a woman to use other men as tools/actual tools to humiliate a moid.
>>2195492
Kek, true, that ugly matron bastardess manga was disturbing and actually worked.

No. 2195497

tbh I only gravitate towards 'femdom' and related tags in fanworks because it's usually the easiest way to find stuff where the female character keeps her agency and has an active role during sex, which is what actually appeals to me. I don't care for what's true domination or whatever and find tying humiliation to what's supposed to be a positive relationship gross (angst is different, obviously), bdsm is a manifestation of mental illness, and imo it's a bit depressing that a fetish tag is almost required to find something as mild as 'canonically assertive and confident female character remains so during smut scenes' rather than wade through endless fics of a character being ooc to fit the generic female romantic/bodice ripper lead archetype. Feel the same way about male characters I like too btw, in slash and het, though with them the problem is usually the opposite where they're made out to be a generic daddy dom (or sometimes uwu uke if in slash), but at least that can be kinda funny though kek

No. 2195498

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>>2194558
speaking of fans misinterpreting dungeron meshi, to this day there are thousands of retards who believe laios was meant to be autistic and his own creator is simply unaware of it

No. 2195499

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No. 2195502

>>2195497
I agree with you. I think most anons ITT who think they are into femdom but are grossed out by pegging(aka the only way to genuinely humilliate a man) are just into the idea of sex where they are the ones being desired instead of them having to pleasure men. IMO there is nothing femdomy about a moid being buried in your pussy, if anything it sounds like something a very passionate lover would do, sounds more vanilla and cute than anything humilliating kek. Female sexuality is so fucked up we think wanting a man that desires us is femdom.

No. 2195507

>>2195498
It's so funny because Laios shows he's plenty capable of understanding social situations, see him doing pep talks to Marcille/the group. He's just lazy and selfish to put himself in others shoes sometimes. He literally is Everymoid. Also living for the Dungeon Meshi discussion here, please populate the /m/ thread again, nonnies….

No. 2195527

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studio clamp is overrated

No. 2195528

>>2195456
I think the meme-like pegging fixation is in part due to a lot of fans being into slash/yaoi to some degree, where anal is often portrayed as the pinnacle of sex and pleasure for men (all smut over-exaggerates things like orgasms and even plain ol' kissing, which is fine of course, but can give kissless virgins the wrong impression kek, and these posters often seem young or inexperienced) as well as usually slotting into a dom/sub or seme/uke dynamic, so when they're faced with a het pairing where the woman is taking the lead (and therefore often needs to now be 'the best at sex' as well because that's often how whoever's in charge is portrayed, hence why giving pleasure is given a lot of importance over other things like humiliation etc), they default to more familiar territory that's also seen as positively subversive amongst their peers

(some people will obviously just like the idea of pegging as a kink, but I don't think they're the ones shouting about it on random artist's sfw posts kek)

No. 2195536

>>2195527
everything about this is retarded
>clamp is a mangaka group
>they didn’t make those illustrations
>they only did the concept character design for code geass
>they never made 'gooner bait' even chobits is anti-gooner
>an anime having fan service for men and women isn’t anything new

No. 2195538

>>2195527
this is making me want to finish code gayass

No. 2195541

>>2195527
>thinking clamp is responsible for those illustrations
The retardation is almost painful here.

No. 2195543

>>2195498
I don’t get why every theory has to be canon and confirmed by the author. What is wrong with headcanons and reader interpretation. Is this what “media must be validating” does to people

No. 2195558

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>>2195528
Beautifully put, nona.

No. 2195562

>>2195543
when it comes to representation type stuff being confirmed as canon, it feels like what these people want is a 'gotcha' or superior score compared to similar media that don't have that canon rep. For example, Dungeon Meshi can't just be good on its own merits, it also needs to be better than other anime because it eg has a canon autistic lead, so when it turns out that it doesn't, it loses points (for something it never had in the first place) in these people's eyes, and makes them look not as enlightened for liking it over other anime (because enjoying it for idk narrative, character, or concept reasons isn't cool or something, it's a pretty brain-broken way to gauge your enjoyment of a piece of media). It can also feel like a personal attack for it to be denied as the rep in question is usually an aspect of themselves that they're projecting onto the media, so the author saying no is them also saying no directly to that specific fan that put a lot of stock and feelings into that thing being canon.

tl;dr mental illness strikes again

No. 2195564

>>2195555
pegging isnt the same as PIV. Its shilled as femdom because it is, because anal in all its forms is meant to be humilliating and gross. Femdom isnt real, unless you are into some faggot conversion therapy type shit you arent going to find a man who feels genuinely humilliated by having sex with a woman.

No. 2195567

>>2195502
>Female sexuality is so fucked up
more like internalized patriarchal perceptions of female sexuality are so fucked up, not that female sexuality is somehow naturally like this
>>2195528
>I think the meme-like pegging fixation is in part due to a lot of fans being into slash/yaoi to some degree, where anal is often portrayed as the pinnacle of sex and pleasure for men
and even that perception exists from the patriarchal view that penetration is the pinnacle of sex and pleasure, in m/f smut and real life as well women are expected to not just orgasm but have the best orgasms from being penetrated. real life gay moids too have internalized the perception that penetration is the pinnacle of sex and pleasure, even with all the risks and the unsanitary factor. actually a lot of "bottoms" have to take poppers to stomach it but still do it because "it's real sex and the best kind of sex". it's not fujos who just made up the seme/uke dynamics on their own, they're just applying real life patterns of sexual roles that already exist among both straight couples and gay men because We All Live In A Society.
if anything I'd say the pegging fixation comes from wanting to "reverse gender roles" in general but in a very lazy way that still frames penetration as the ultimate form of sex and pleasure
I think it does require more "outside the box" thinking to create femdom content that is not just "reverse maledom", which pegging basically is and the actual reason why it's getting so shilled, the first step is at least trying to let go of the pervasive notion that penetration whether m/f or m/m or even f/f is the sex of all time. Crazy how people make up all kinds of weird niche kinks but somehow non-penetrative vanilla sex that counts as proper sex on its own and not just "foreplay" is too out there and unfathomable and female domination that actually emphasizes the superiority of female genitalia even more so.

No. 2195574

>>2195564
PIV too is often framed as humiliating for the woman, but in a different way, usually from the impregnation angle, getting the woman pregnant as a means to control her and humiliate her, which also goes hand in hand with the rise of mpreg memes alongside pegging, peneterating and impregnating someone as means of subjugation. It doesn't have to be this way naturally, but patriarchal society does see it this way, in fact that's pretty much its founding principle and everything else more or less stems from that. Anal is seen as even more humiliating also because "men are not meant to be penetrated" on one hand and on the other hand for women it's reducing them to a set of "fuckable holes", which is why a male being fucked in the ass is seen as even more degraded than a woman being fucked in the ass. Because women are already seen as "meant to be fucked", because PIV is also seen as the ultimate most important form of sex. You can't be truly PIA critical without being PIV critical and penetrative sex critical in general as well.

No. 2195582

>>2195567
>actually a lot of "bottoms" have to take poppers
I might regret asking, but what are poppers?

No. 2195592

Has anyone been keeping up with the Yaelokre drama?

No. 2195593

>>2195582
from wikipedia
>recreational drugs belonging to the alkyl nitrite family of chemical compounds
>Poppers act as muscle relaxants, causing involuntary smooth muscles relaxation in tissues such as the throat and anus
>Said physiological effects and other effects such as mild euphoria has led to use cases related to recreational drug use, in some cases, party and play (chemsex), to help facilitate anal intercourse
Imagine taking drugs to handle "Real Sex" instead of just blowjobs/handjobs/frotting that are more comfortable and pleasurable to both parties. moids are so retarded and penetration is the ultimate psy-op

No. 2195594

yall never had anal before(infight bait)

No. 2195597

>>2195594
Thank god

No. 2195599

>>2195594
And I’m proud of it

No. 2195600

>>2195592
What drama?

No. 2195601

>>2195597
>>2195599
congrats, just making a point of the lack of knowledge itt

No. 2195608

>>2195601
So describe it for us, what is it like for you to do anal? Elucidate us.

No. 2195616

>>2195567
>if anything I'd say the pegging fixation comes from wanting to "reverse gender roles" in general but in a very lazy way that still frames penetration as the ultimate form of sex and pleasure
>I think it does require more "outside the box" thinking to create femdom content that is not just "reverse maledom", which pegging basically is and the actual reason why it's getting so shilled, the first step is at least trying to let go of the pervasive notion that penetration whether m/f or m/m or even f/f is the sex of all time.
Agreed. I dislike the idea that the male sexuality/depravity is the standard and we have to stoop on their level to be considered anything. Like the anons crying about liking the wrong type of 2d doesn't make moids seethe enough when it's just liking moids/sex regardless of what they think. Do NOT misconstrue this to dressing up in expensive time consuming female performance though, kek.

No. 2195619

>>2194812
I'm sorry but how would that work? In terms of sex? Like how do you make a man and woman do intercoruse without making seem disbalanced? and before you ask "not everything's about sex", as someone who reads and listens to erotic m/f content, it annoys me that the only sex that happens is getting pounded in the pussy with daddydom tier shittalk. I want some variety and the woman to feel comfortable while doing it.

No. 2195620

>>2195619
>do intercourse
There is your problem. Sex does not need to be centered around intercourse/penetration in the first place

No. 2195632

>>2195620
So basically outercourse, then? like idk, hugging naked? Does oral count?

No. 2195637

>>2195632
Outercourse, oral, manual, grinding on each other yes. If you think these are boring on their own that's a you problem, but sadly because it's also very much a society problem.

No. 2195644

>>2195616
>Like the anons crying about liking the wrong type of 2d doesn't make moids seethe enough when it's just liking moids/sex regardless of what they think
Exactly. Outside lolcow the average bishie enjoyer does not care as much about pissing off 3D moids, she just likes bishies, good for her. Anons also complain about "tumblr sexymen" that are not to their own taste, fair enough, everyone is different, but what they don't get is that moids don't shill those characters as attractive either, they're just as baffled if not more by Sansfags or Alastorfags. Or even when they do, fangirls tend to like them for whole different reasons than the ones that are shilled. There have always been complaints from moids about fangirls not just shipping male characters together or husbandofagging but also "emasculating" or "woobifiyng" their faves because even when it comes to masculine male characters women who like them tend to portray them in a more gap moe way rather than the typical macho male power fantasy. Moids will always seethe over women having sexualities of our own independent of what they tell us we should like, no point in us infighting to this extent about it.

No. 2195648

>>2195637
SAYRT quite the opposite, I don't mind most of the things you listed, some of which I like a bit more over the usual. Society as a whole struggles with considering other forms of intimacy because straight is the default. Straight people are the ones making all the kids and you can't get that by fingering somebody. Getting this back on fandom, most fanfic I've read still plays under the rules of heteronormativity despite both parties being the same sex. You still have vaginas or dicks shoved in because the author has no clue what sex between two men or women looks like? I could chalk this up to sexual inexperience, but that can't be it.

No. 2195654

>>2195527
Clamp didn't draw any of these illustrations, they only made the original character designs.

No. 2195671

>>2195648
>straight is the default
>Straight people are the ones making all the kids
Sure, but even for hets piv does not have to be default and contrary to what religious propaganda says, sex is not solely about reproduction, far from it, it's also another way of socializing. People still keep wondering why does same sex attraction or the female orgasm exist if they are ~not needed for reproduction~ but still are unable to reach the conclusion that there has always been a lot more to human (and even many animal species!) sexuality than just procreation, and this has always been inherent to us in some way or another. Focusing on reproduction as the basis and end-all of sex has always been the main tactic to repress female sexuality and perpetuate homophobia.
>You still have vaginas or dicks shoved in because the author has no clue what sex between two men or women looks like?
It's gettting worse and worse lately, fanfic writers are becoming more obsessed with penetrative sex and inherent dominant/submissive dynamics to the point that regular homosexuality is now also seen as "too boring" and "lacking flavour". Personally I also blame this on live action porn and hentai for moids being considered more and more acceptable in fandom/nerdy women spaces, because moids have pushed and later libfems have internalized as well the idea that live action porn and smutty fanfiction are equivalent, and being against one but fine with the other is "hypocritical" and "not real sex positivity". It also explains why so much smut fanfic nowadays is getting increasingly pornified in the tubesite porn way or the hentai way, more fanfic writers are using those as inspiration because apparently they're all literally the same and should be equally acceptable anyway. Notice how in the attempt to be more and more "different" and "pushing the envelope" they just circle back to the same old heteronormative patriarchy but on steroids.

No. 2195694

>>2195671
>why does same sex attraction or the female orgasm exist
the latter I understand as sex is another means to bond but the former far complicates an otherwise complex issue surrounding SSA. We don't know for sure why gay and bi people exist, they just do, at least in my view. There was a time when people weren't use to this fact considering religions often other thoses outside their doctrine, but now that being "queer" is mainstream now, everyone and their grandmas want a piece of that pie without dealing with the scrutiny gay/bi folk had to for years. even centuries.
> Notice how in the attempt to be more and more "different" and "pushing the envelope" they just circle back to the same old heteronormative patriarchy but on steroids.
Maybe this is why femdom looks so cringe to be, at least the the kinds made for men. The women is often taller and stronger, acting in many ways like a scrote but with boobs. Dominance is physical instead of mental, and she does things that would be uncomfortable if executed in real life such as high heels, tight leather, unrealistic body proportions and what have you (don't forget the dick). And when asked to try something new, these people act like you killed their family and burned their house? There's nothing positive for reinventing heterosexuality, but safe horny people pretend to be visionaries for going against the cishet patriarchy by…having some femboy get dicked down by a muscle mommy tomboy? This is just being straight with extra steps. How is this even transgressive?

No. 2195699

>>2195476
>>2195491
This is why the real answer is erotic asphyxiation.
Just choke the shit out of him.
Not irl, of course but this is anime drawings where you won't go to jail so it ok.

No. 2195702

>>2195694
>We don't know for sure why gay and bi people exist, they just do
True, ultimately it doesn't matter why same sex attracted people exist, but the existence of SSA people is indeed yet another argument that human sexuality is and has always been more than just reproduction and has always had a deeply social element to it. If it really was as simple as just reproduction we wouldn't have all these various (for better or for worse) sexual practices and interests and taboos around them, because no one would be thinking of those anyway.
>safe horny
is that not just a buzzword used by furries and maledomfags to pretend they're oppressed

No. 2195705

>>2195619
I feel like one of the main things that makes het smut feel unbalanced is that every action often occurs at the behest of or by the male lead, with the female lead just going along with things or being outright manhandled throughout. She often doesn't ever do anything for herself, either, not really, even if it's just to touch the man how she pleases, or to touch herself to benefit herself. Porn unfortunately ascribes to the 'magic dick' philosophy of the ideal man being one that swoops in and pounds you so effortlessly good you don't have to do anything, which sure that's a fantasy some people like, but it does get dull and silly and makes the female character feel disconnected from the act and at the guy's mercy, rather than an active participant with her own goals and desires she wants to play out during the scene. Then there's all the other stuff like cringe, possessive and demeaning dirty talk and controlling behaviours both in and out of the bedroom on top of that.

Published smut is also generally quickly churned out pulp that doesn't care about anything other than chasing popular trends and making a quick buck, where copy-paste-tier sex scenes are all they need to get by, so unfortunately it's mostly going to involve the more exaggerated, modern evolution of a bunch of tropes and cliches that have been mainstays in the genre for close to a century, with the added rancidity of more recent online porn and hentai tropes.

No. 2195711

>>2195619
>Ships need to center around sex and smut
>Also sex needs to have dom/sub dynamics
The coombrains on Lolcow I swear.

No. 2195718

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>>2195527
The artist responsible for the gooner art of Geass is Takahiro Kimura who was infamous for animating a lot of porn and sexualizing just about every single female character he drew that wasn't too old. A lot of his "sexy" art was humiliating and full of degrading poses and situations, even in his supposedly SFW work for Sunrise like GaoGaiGar FINAL.

CLAMP have drawn sexualized women before and they made a yuri manga about a cute girl ending in a version of Wonderland where every character of the novel is a sexy woman (picrel), but it's far different from Kimura's degrading art. As much as CLAMP love their pedo agegaps they never, ever drew humiliating gooner art for its female characters.
The closest I saw them draw that sort of thing was sexy art of Kamui (a guy) from X 1999 but that's like the raciest thing they ever drew and it never got to Kimura's goon levels.

No. 2195723

>>2195498
i understand why people found this interview cringe, but asking her about cooking (its a manga themed around it, its supposed to be a cute question to relate to the content matter), assuming she plays DND (especially since she plays a lot of video games inspired by it), and even bringing up popular fan theories and asking what the creators think about it is pretty standard for nerdy interviews.
find any other interview for a content creator, and it will be pretty similar. she honestly answered everything with such non-answers i would see why people would be annoyed, but all the performative "shes based!!killed the western fandom!!1!" is cringey as hell, and while people shouldn't have convinced themselves laios is on the spectrum in canon, i honestly don't see why people seethe about it as much as they do. when i watched the first few episodes, i even thought he was supposed to be.

No. 2195724

>>2195702
>is that not just a buzzword used by furries and maledomfags to pretend they're oppressed
>maledom
I wouldn't say that but yes, a fair amount of safe horny male and femdom that come off as "safe" when really it's trojan-horsing the psy-op where women bang men twice her age because it be ageist to like young men. The only young men getting the go ahead are anything a moid can turn into a femboy and wank his willys to, which is like, every jrpg protag with even a modicum of androgyny. Link and cloud got the most hit which further proves the days of men self inserting as cute boys is past us now.

No. 2195735

>>2195724
I've always seen that term in a complaining context, as in maledomfags whining about "cringe safe horny femdom" while acting like "fragile uwu girl getting abused by fat ugly daddydom" is somehow the actual "subversive empowering" option and femdomfemboyfags oppress them in particular.
>men self inserting as cute boys is past us now
Considering the increasing popularity of "ugly bastard" and even "beastiality" shit in tandem with "femboy femdom" shit I'd say modern moids are so repulsive and deep down they do know it that they can't even bring himself to self insert on honorable decent looking heroes in general anymore, let alone cute boys. They either want to be "femboys" being babied by "girlboss mommies", or "ugly bastard" creatures that punish the women they hate through pain and degradation. Either way both types hate women, the former are just more insidious about it, while the latter are very blatant.

No. 2195748

>>2194465
Oh my fucking god I know exactly what you mean. This is what I mean when certain types can create these think pieces based on nothing but their own headcanon (let’s be real) and write their fav characters like a diary entry. “Kinning” is such a dead ringer for “I was raised by the internet”.

No. 2195782

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>>2195496
This one?
>>2195616
>Agreed. I dislike the idea that the male sexuality/depravity is the standard and we have to stoop on their level to be considered anything
I don't understand why it's so hard for anons here to accept that women can be degens and like men in depraving situations outside of "owning the moids", it's very sexist.

No. 2195794

>>2194465
I hate self inserters so fucking much. Like, I get yume and stuff, but it's another thing to say "this character is literally me" and projecting this all over everything and everyone.
I've seen these retards call people who. Read romcoms and don't self insert cucks. It's not cucking to enjoy seeing a happy couple without projecting you're damn self, tf.
It also makes any sort of genuine effort of understanding a character as a character because every fucking time they're just nonstop shipping who they would like to fuck and what they would want to do in any given setting.

No. 2195807

>>2195794
>>2195794
> I've seen these retards call people who read romcoms and don't self insert cucks
KEK if I got to the point of being this bitter and moidbrained I would probably just kill myself

No. 2195808

>>2195794
I think in the past these people would've just made idealized self OCs and shipped their favs with them. I don't remember people OC'ing established characters 15 years ago.

No. 2195828

>>2195794
>>2194465
I think it's not just about self inserting but the overall fandom shift from overanalyzing every little thing that does happen in canon in order to make assumptions about things we do not see "behind the main scenes" to people just projecting their own issues and opinions onto established characters. If anything I blame this even more so on the shifting attitude on gatekeeping and headcanons, fandom has become less about the source material and more about the fandom community in itself to the point that you have people happily admitting that they don't even care to watch/read/play etc the source and only think the characters look cool and like the fandom built around them, but you cannot tell them to gtfo because that's gatekeeping and gatekeeping is MEAN!!! "Kinnies" are basically just glorified roleplayers, so of course with this shift in fandom mentality as a whole kinnies too shift from "I am literally this character" to "this character is literally me".

No. 2195833

>>2195794
>I've seen these retards call people who. Read romcoms and don't self insert cucks. It's not cucking to enjoy seeing a happy couple without projecting you're damn self, tf.
Kek this is all the self insert schizos posting on Lolcow. One of the older Fandom(?) threads had someone in all seriousness claim that there's no point in reading something if you can't self insert and I simply can't imagine having a brain that badly fried.

No. 2195851

>>2195794
A bit more controversial, but people who believe anything a writer does write is saying something about either themselves or the audience. Yeah, sometimes they are, but not every author who writes a loser character is saying you are a loser, not every story about a toxic relationship is saying that that's the author's ideal.

No. 2195855

>>2195782
Ngl, I don't take female degeneracy as seriously as scrote degeneracy because women are widely better at telling the difference between reality and fantasy, but yes, insisting that your fetish is actually an important political statement is cringe 4chan/Tumblr behaviour.
>>2195711
Seriously. What is it with coombrains and writing mental wankfuel about their interests when nobody asked kek. Even the "safe horny" "I love hideous fatties uwu" pickmes do it and they're honestly even more annoying.

No. 2195870

>>2195711
>>2195855
So would you prefer not sex happens, and if it does, it's cut to hands or black because anything else is too much?

No. 2195873

>>2195808
I saw some of it on LJ and fandom-specific forums back in the day, but the people who did it were held up as oddities by the rest of the fandom and weren't common at all

No. 2195894

>>2194739
I dont feel bad for gay men as a fujoshi myself since I was a teen (2008 was when i started) I quickly learned that i do not care to watch or see irl gays interact. In fact most of the time I used to watch lesbians cosplay as their favorite male ships and kiss each other in costume. In fact most fujoshis I know are either lesbians or only ship 2d characters. I blame superwholock fans for blurring the lines lol. I dont think you are a fujoshi if you are shipping characters played by real people in a show but that's just me. I also think Kpop fans blurred the lines on what fujoshi is too. Us fujoshis are not fetishizing gay men we are fetishizing anime men. They are not the same species.

No. 2195935

>>2195782
If you're saying what I think you're saying then I didn't mention anything about anons being depraved regardless of negative moid-gaze. I'm talking about those who think they're the cooler, morally superior girls because of these fetishes on 2D moids.

No. 2196077

>>2195498
I can't ever recall a Japanese character being referred to as autistic or anything of the sort in media like Adhd, anime or otherwise. So people shouldn't be shocked there. Do wonder how if they do acknowledge stuff like that in real life though.

No. 2196092

>>2195782
Kek, yes, this one. TA. I never saw anything like this before or after, it's one of a kind, actually feels fucked and i felt sorry for him, even if he's the one inserting and impregnating her. But i'm suspicious that if it wasn't a shota, it might've not worked at all, to be quite honest.
>>2195567
>"it's real sex and the best kind of sex".
>where anal is often portrayed as the pinnacle of sex and pleasure for men
Penetration is simply the most visceral. No wonder people think this way, honestly.

No. 2196130

Honestly I think part of the fixation on pegging and the like somewhat comes from people getting sick of masculinity and ultimately deciding to bite back by putting men in the submissive role. The porn industry also made it so that men doing anal on barely legal girls was ok so I think the pegging fixation is “Oh well let’s see how much you like it!” By putting the man in the submissive position

No. 2196180

>>2196077
the most i've seen is creators say that a character has a communication disorder, like kido from kagerou project.

No. 2196188

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No. 2196193

>>2195870
This is such a leap of logic I'm not even gonna bother with a response kek
>>2196130
Yeah, I think some people are following this logic and tbh I completely understand. Unfortunately they underestimate how easy it is for men to get memed into enjoying the most degenerate things.

No. 2196198

>>2196188
Lol what's this from?

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>>2196198
Shrink: Psychiatrist Yowai.
Reminded me of other manga about autism, pic related is about a mother's struggle to raise her low functioning son and there's also That's My Atypical Girl, a romance between two autists.

No. 2196336

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>>2195464
I probably just have moid sense of humor but I think it’s pretty funny.

No. 2196360

>>2195464
god sometimes you guys sperg out over nothing. its just a dumb fandom joke.

No. 2196386

>>2196360
This kek, some anons here are so joyless I almost feel bad for them. It's like they're bitter people are having fun without them so they make up these convoluted reasons to be mad at fandom memes they don't get.

No. 2196448

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Has anyone else seen an uptick in people in fandom spaces that are out and proud about being on lolcow but are also zoomers or underage? Picrel is just an example, but apparently they're only fourteen and a self pro-claimed "proshipper lolicon". Is this what the youth is doing now, and is that why being a loli defender is barely seen as cow-behavior outside of cow-threads? I feel like the demographic of this site is just turning into zoomers who want this place to be "female 4chan" instead of using it for milk. I've seen so many of these type of girls pop up, and somehow half the ones I see are tifs.

No. 2196463

>>2196448
Years ago teenagers were doing this with liveleak and other gore sites, I guess this is the new and more retarded iteration.

No. 2196477

>>2196448
I don't think it's realistic for the site to stay centered on cows like it used to be. When the site first started lolcow behavior was genuinely abnormal and uncommon, that's why the cows were so fascinating. There are too many cows now. First there are professional cows, people who realize that saying and doing stupid shit could actually make them money who knowingly engage in bait. Second is the tidal wave of normal stupid people joining the internet. Lastly by this point cows and cow culture have existed long enough that people who do a little reading can know better and there now exists an industry of brand agents and PR professionals that can guide people to manage a person's online presence so people who might have otherwise become interesting cows to follow become very uninteresting to engage with in that way.

No. 2196480

>>2195894
>I dont think you are a fujoshi if you are shipping characters played by real people in a show but that's just me
No point in no-true-scotsmanning when a lot of Asian fujos are also superwholock westaboos and K-poppies and live action drama fans etc. They're still seen as fujos, just a different kind. The difference between "slasher" and "fujoshi" is ultimately a matter of semantics. And no, I don't give a shit if they "boohoo fetishize waaaah" real men either. It's not and will never be the same as moids into lesbian porn or even male yurifags because of societal conceptions of male vs female sexuality, notice also how it's understandable for the most vanilla normie moids to be into "girl on girl action" but women enjoying "guy on guy action" are treated as weird, creepy or dorky by those same normies.

No. 2196483

>>2196480
'slash' and 'slasher' seem to have fallen out of use as popular terminology at least that's what it seems like to me.

No. 2196484

>>2196448
> Underage TIFs are using Lolcow
Unironically that explains so much.

No. 2196494

>>2196448
people that mention lc off anon need their own snow threads or to have their laundry dumped in the personal cow thread. its what they deserve

No. 2196499

>>2196448
I think they mean the other lolcow, not the website anon

No. 2196504

>>2196448
I think they mean lolcow as in the term

No. 2196507

>>2196504
They do, but if you go through their page they use the same lingo here all the time and have the same specific interests of board users.

No. 2196512

>>2196494
scared straight i like it

No. 2196513

>>2196507
We need to bully the ever loving shit out of them

No. 2196628

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>>2194656
>>2194672
It took me a while to realize it's a quidditch ball being used as mouth gag, no a mouth gag itself.
But again, I have seen tons of hentai tattoos, this one doesn't surprise me.

No. 2196641

>>2194656
The only offensive thing about this tattoo is how fucking ugly it is lmao

No. 2196643

>>2194465
And then you have them saying they have "DID" and the characters always take their mind and chat with you or someone else. Or that they headcanons are canon, not the creator's.

No. 2196656

>>2196448
This person is pretty clearly using lolcow as the noun and not the site. The word "lolcow" did not originate here and is a part of the general internet lexicon.

No. 2196675

>>2196448
Predicting with my farmer future insight this retard is going to make a grooming callout thread or be featured in it soon in the future may Elsie make this true. No teenager who ever engages with this type of shit makes it out normal

No. 2196690

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>>2195592
Yaeklore as in the gendie girl with mid art and mid music some anon was even alogging herself, forgetting this it/he must have rich connected parents who let her do those projects, in the art thread?
I'm still reading but it seems like she doesn't want NSFW art of her characters, some of her fans are harrassing people writing fanfics or something.

No. 2196698

>>2196690
I understand the frustration about coomers ruining your fandom, but going after fic writers isn't going to work. It just doesn't have the same effect as r34 art. If Hazbin fans couldn't get people to stop yooming for the "asexual" red furry then these guys aren't gonna do it either.

No. 2196707

Fic writers piss me off so bad because they could be using their writing to improve and write new things for dead series/continuations or fixing where the author fucked up but instead they write shipfaggotry.

No. 2196730

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>>2196690
>>2195592
Samefag with a shit collage but it seems like people are mad about Yaelokre expecting her clearly underage audience to report the NSFW material, pulling an Anne Rice and also not condemning her fans being deranged and making threats

No. 2196734

>>2196707
Pick a up a pen instead of demanding others use their free time the way you want, then.

No. 2196749

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>>2196448
Of course it's a Gorillaz fan kek, self-proclaimed edgelords flock to that fandom like flies to shit but will cry the minute they see muh transphobia.

This is bleak as fuck though. She denies being groomed but there's no way a kid gets to this point any other way, the shitty chickenscratch art compared to her posts is funny though kek. When it gets this bad the only solution is bullying, you can't talk someone out of this level of brainrot. If TIFs like her are now the userbase of LC no wonder the site is going to shit.

No. 2196750

>>2196690
Wanting to be the Anne Rice of modern fandom sure is a choice

No. 2196753

>>2196749
> Gorillaz fan
For goodness' sake, these types of people are the reason Murdoch's character was toned down

No. 2196755

>>2196749
This person probably doesn't even know lolcow is a website

No. 2196767

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>>2196730
Sorry for samefagging but I did some more digging. Clearly this woman isn't cut out to have her shit be popularized. This screams genuinely delusional behavior. What about the people who are creating genuine SFW content because they're interested? I imagine the NSFW is only a minority of what fans of this basic gendie shit make

No. 2196785

>>2196730
The unhinged Ao3 comment was from August of this year so I wonder how worse it’ll get. Is the fic even there anymore?
Either way that’s a sure fire way of torching your own fan base to weaponize your fans against each other. I get the feeling of not wanting disgusting shit about your creation being made but it really seems like this lady ought to not have published her anything if it gets under her skin like this. I could’ve sworn some author a long time ago managed to make places like FF.net ban any mention of her novel or something, maybe she’ll try to do that next.

No. 2196793

>>2196767
Then why did she post them publicly if her OCs are that personal?

No. 2196808

>>2196767
People are gonna draw them fucking even harder now

No. 2196810

I miss the days when western moralfags would stick to homestuck and voltron and leave animefags alone, now we gotta deal with them pretending to like anime because its their new shiny toy while also acting naive and stupid when real fans point out what they like is ''problematic'' and not meant to be made for them and their western sensibilities.

No. 2196813

>>2196810
You can draw a direct line from Homestuck/Voltron to the when the MHA anime dropped. Anime fandom was still pretty fine before that.

No. 2196878

>>2196690
she's 100% rich, good lord. imagine the amount of money required to not only hire enough people to review all these submissions, but also threaten to prosecute every last piece of content you don't like. ironically she would probably be the type of person to whine about how others should spend money on (x cause of the month) instead of (thing they enjoy) or something.

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No. 2196957

>>2196698
>If Hazbin fans couldn't get people to stop yooming for the "asexual" red furry then these guys aren't gonna do it either
to be fair it also helped a lot that Vivzie herself did not mind and also that Alastor is obviously an adult

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No. 2197010

>>2196360
>>2196386
Fuck off with your twitter tier passive aggressive gaslighting. Some of us are tired of aidens and TIF-lites invading our spaces and spamming us with get pregnant jokes all year round, we have no reason to give this cringyass meme a free pass because some otakus are using this meme in a non-gendie brainrot way. Even yesterday I saw he/him retards transwashing my husbando in one post and then putting him in this garbage meme the next, I'm tired of this shit

No. 2197016

>>2197010
It's always the husbandofags with the parasocial attachment issues that take every single thing as a personal attack against them and their cartoon Nigel.

No. 2197023

>>2197016
Anons complain about being spammed with annoying mpreg jokes
>That didn't happen.("you have paranoid farms brainrot!")
Anons post examples
>And if it did, it wasn't that bad."you are joyless and bitter and just jealous!"
Anons elaborate and give recent examples
>And if it was, that's not a big deal. "It's just husbandofags, everyone else doesn't care cuz I said so"

Accept that others dont share your lame sense of humor, narc-chan. Aren't you the one who is taking people hating a meme as an excuse to play armchair psychologist?

No. 2197044

>>2197010
NTA but the original joke was done by a Japanese artist and the two people were two female students and the child they had was this hardened yakuza type

No. 2197093

>>2197023
Take your meds.

No. 2197178

>>2196767
>woman
isn’t this a teenager?



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