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No. 536154
Since /cgl/ has been invaded by scrotes and trannies, let's discuss general things about EGL & EGA fashion here, from new releases to your dream dress. Share makeup looks and diy's, or your favorite coords. Talk about the comm you are in and your Lolita friendships. Ex Lolitas and newbies are welcomed too.
Old thread
>>>/g/208345Ita Thread
>>>/g/466899Favorite coords thread:
>>>/g/528205For drama, check out the tread on /w/
most recent:
>>>/w/338177 No. 536232
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https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/collections/moi-meme-moitie/products/a-00765There was a restock and I managed to score the black x blue I'm so happy! It's still black x white available and the black one
No. 536234
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>>536221>ideal meet upfirst of all people that attend should wear Lolita. If you're new or only interested at least you should try to look polished and nice. In terms of activity I do like afternoon tea and find it a quite elegant activity but the meet should entail some agenda that relates to Lolita. Maybe the orga could prepare just a few questions or even a small game everyone sat at the table could play. Like discussed in the last thread I prefer really the topic stays in the Lolita realm. Depending on the size, some could bring GLB or KERA magazines and we could all talk about Coords and analyze them together. Of course taking pictures (individual or together) would be nice too. Picrel is how I imagine us itt kek
No. 536275
>>536221I feel really grateful that all my comms meets are what I would consider ideal. We’re all 25+, interested mostly in JP and good quality indie, are avid sewists or fiber artists and generally share the same interests. A good mix of substyles and absolutely no drama.
We typically go to cafes, bakeries, tea rooms, gardens etc. Lately we’ve also started going out to movies and trying new restaurants! Our city is small, but my dream is for us to go on a 3-day trip to a bigger city and just explore.
Sorry for micro-blogging. I see nonnas wishing for solid comms and just want to assure you that it’s possible. We went from 0 meets and an absolutely dead comm to one that’s still relatively small, but incredibly dedicated to the fashion and each other. Wishing the best for you all!
No. 536736
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>>536221The idea of an exclusively lolita based discussion sounds nice but I feel like it would get old after many meetups. Although I wish there was a rule that enforced participants to actually wear lolita, I'm pretty content with the way my comm discussions have been where we talk about lolita things in the first half then personal hobbies such as arts and crafts, weeb shit, and upcoming hobby events in the latter. Now my real dream is to have a fangirl based lolita comm where members discuss yume/fujo/hime topics and even exchange doujinshi and show off merch. Ill never forget when I off-handedly mentioned ordering doujin along my buyee order and another member spat out her tea because she thought I was buying the hentai variety
reup with more fitting pic
No. 537508
>>537390Ah crap
nonny I'm sorry you missed it! It sold out again quickly so maybe the 3rd restock? I saw later on they announced it on instagram storys so maybe keep an eye open
No. 537646
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>>536154I'm finally at the age where I have a decent job and can afford quality lolita after years of being broke and ita. Pic rel is my first dress (and also my dream print!) and I don't want to screw this coord up. My main concern is having a headbow/headpiece that matches. I've been on a hunt for the original headbow as the person who originally sold me the dress lost the headbow (annoying). I don't have my full coord yet, just looking for someone to point me in the right direction.
I've found some previous coords in this colorway, but there's surprisingly not a lot out there. Sorry in advance for being dumb.
No. 537650
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>>537646I’m returning to lolita as an adult. I was into it as a teen but had restrictions from parents, money, etc. I ended up selling most of my dresses because they were taobao sweetfag. I’ve been liking rose themed dresses from AP lately and I can’t wait to collect them all.
No. 537855
>>537646This is a great dress, I've always liked it but it's not exactly my style
>>537650Ap rose dresses are great. I love seeing hime style lolitas.
No. 538086
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>>537650This print reminds me of the peak DreamV heart heels popularity era, I love.
No. 538091
>>536253>we all wear classic or gothic, no sweets allowedDoes old school get a pass or nah.
You sound based though, I wish my comm had more fujolitas…
No. 538096
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>>538095You probably shouldn't force yourself to get into it if it's not something that interested you in the first place. imo its an acquired tasted and most of the nerdy acquaintances I've had who tried to get into it could never really engage in BL or find it fun;
though people are different and maybe you'll happen to find it enjoyable so who knows.
Most fujos started out via shipping characters from pre-existing franchises, though an easier entry to it would be to read shounen-ai/slice of life BL manga since the R18 works can be more extreme and outlandish.
Unless your friend's primary way of enjoying fandom is BL only, the other topics I discuss with my non-fujo friends is new anime releases, OC stuff, and art. I think its very sweet youre willing to try it out even if its something you were never really into prior, most people dont like associating with fujos because we're considered the undesirables by other fangirls kek
No. 538168
>>538095That's extremely cute that you're genuinely asking and wanting to connect with them more, you're very kind nonna! I don't know that I'm as hardcore fujo as some people, but the draw for me personally is: two attractive men, no sexual violence against women/brutalization of women, and I like seeing cute submissive men drawn and written in a way that is meant to appeal to women. Not a lot of straight romance manga targeted at women includes truly submissive men unless it's for a gag, it's easier to find that in BL.
But like the other anon said, don't force yourself to like it, there are lots of ways you can engage in shared fandom without talking about BL.
No. 538318
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>>538313I'm not a fan of chinese Lolita brand or style at all so I'm gonna have to say it looks ita. Sorry nonna.
>>538168ntayrt
>two attractive men, no sexual violence against women/brutalization of women, and I like seeing cute submissive men drawn and written in a way that is meant to appeal to women.wow now I kind of understand why so many women are into BL. I always wondered why women want to see a gay male couple kek but maybe I have to look into it too because it sounds good tbh. I usually love to see super cute shojo characters so I'd need to find something that still has a few ruffles kek
No. 538396
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>>538313On paper I want to like them, despite not being a fan of Chinese brands, but something always looks sort of off about their designs. Like a lot of Chinese brands, they tend to over-design and go for quantity of details over quality of materials. Picrel is a great example, I love black and white and simplistic designs but the striped lace on the cuffs, the weird asymmetric back and the shoulder ruffles throw it off and push it into ita territory. What JSK are you looking at and what is drawing you to it? I'd be happy to help you find something that checks those boxes but is better quality.
No. 538523
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comm ita posted pics and of course she is wearing fucking leg warmers. bring back shame holy fuck am I so tired of seeing newlitas try to experiment when they have no prior experience with the fashion in the first place
No. 538663
>>538639nayrt but the shoulder/ruffle design looks to me like it's historically inspired, same thing with the striped cuffs.
personally i think those kind of references to victorian clothing are neat (and the intricate construction is impressive) so I don't think this is 'ita', just a matter of differing tastes.
if i had a nit to pick here tbh it'd be the crocheted lace on the skirt. that does look a bit weird with the tulle lace underlay close enough to it for comparison. not enough to push into ita territory but just unnecessary.
No. 538714
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>>538530AYRT, while I don't think it's outright the worst and most ita dress ever, the details (while historically inspired, as the other anon pointed out) just kind of make it look costume-y to me. This could be a matter of perspective though; I wear gothic, and I like aspects of that Hoshibako dress (clean black x white color scheme, square yoke lace detail, longer buttoned cuffs) because they remind me of the Moitie Nun Mini OP. However, looking at it through that lens, I'm wanting it to be gothic when it is clearly not, so all the extra details are completely throwing me off. So like the other anon said, it's just a matter of differing tastes. I'd ultimately be happier with a simpler dress, but maybe somebody could make it work?
I think Hoshibako make designs that would be weird for a beginner to style, just because they do tend to add kind of wacky details to their pieces. I'm not a fan of them in general though.
No. 538925
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>>538083Thank you!! It's been my all time favorite lolita dress since high school when it was originally released. This will sound silly, but around that time, I drew a picture of the corset jsk for a project in art class because I loved the intricacy of the print. It wasn't a very good picture obviously and no one around me understood what it was beyond a pretty dress, but you guys get it! It's just special to me.
This is what I have so far. The blouse is from Liz Lisa, and it's not exactly the one that I own but it's close enough to give a vibe of what I'm going for. Did not buy the shoes yet though, I really am set on gold tea parties but are these too glittery?
No. 538942
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>>538925I would personally go for ones that look more "metallic" and less "glittery." Just because I think tea parties are a little diminutive already, having them in a more solid metallic might make them look a touch more elegant?
Don't know if these are exactly your style, but picrel are the Jeffrey Campbell Marcie shoes (on sale right now, link here:
https://jeffreycampbellshoes.com/products/marcie?variant=41113070239809) and I think the triple buckle strap with the sleeker profile of the shoe might create a really cute almost academic silhouette with the blouse and headbow you're thinking of, and match the gold tone on the headbow a little better. I'm a big proponent of buying "normie" shoes instead of tea parties in general.
No. 539398
>>538096>>538115>>538168thank you all for the insight and recommendations! it's definitely not the only thing that comes up in conversations in that realm, but a lot of them have important ships to them (to the point they carry plushies and celebrate birthdays), so i'd like to try at least!
i personally really like the art styles they've shown me and posted about, and the conversations they've had in front of me have piqued my interest, but there's so many terms and titles i can't follow currently that it's hard to find a foothold. much appreciated nonnas!
No. 539858
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Nonnas, I'm asking you for shoe advice. My Demonia Gothic are peeling horribly and I'm so mad! Does anyone have a similar style of shoe that goes well with Gothic coords? Obviously black and with chunky heel would be nice. Not a burger btw
No. 539998
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>>539858I own these from Yosuke and like them a lot, they're synthetic but have held up to my antics (wearing them when there was salt on the ground for winter, dancing, impromptu woodland walks) for about half a year now with no damage. I also find them more comfortable for long periods of walking and standing than similar Demonias, and the straps offer more adjustability for high arches. I also own a pair of Angelic Imprint boots that I really like, they might have a similar style heel? A pro from that brand is that you can request real leather as opposed to synthetic (which I always prefer, because it allows for easier repairs and longevity).
No. 540158
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Any other lolita nonnas into dolls? I sold my Pullips a few years ago when I moved (retarded mistake, I miss them) and lately I've been really nostalgic for the early LJ days of lolita, when the BJD hobby overlapped with lolita to the point that people twinned with their dolls. I'm considering buying parts from Parabox to make my own customized obitsu (going with obitsu just to test the waters and figure out if I enjoy the customizing aspect before dropping hundreds of dollars on Volks) and sewing her some pieces that match mine so we can twin. Would love to share cute lolita doll clothing patterns!
No. 540218
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>>540158Same nona! So much of love for EGL overlaps with dolls. I especially love older Volks and the way collectors would customize them, like picrel. Adore their faces, i wish they'd re-release the Four Sisters. So far i've got some Pullips and a knockoff Blythe with a lolita-ish outfit i bought for her specifically, but every so often i contemplate learning how to sew (or even hand sew?) so i can make little coords…
>and sewing her some pieces that match mine so we can twinThat would be adorable!
No. 540230
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>>540218AYRT, I love the doll you posted! I used to read Art Doll magazine when I'd go to a local bookstore as a teenager, I really love seeing what artists do with the doll medium.
>or hand sew I think you have to hand sew most things for dolls just because of how tiny they are! So if you wanted to learn how to hand sew, doll clothes would be a great project. I think you could totally do it nonna, and then you'd be able to make small EGL accessories for yourself too.
I'm so motivated to get started looking for patterns now, so happy to get to talk to you nonnas itt about this.
No. 540537
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>>540158I love dolls! I have some pullips and an azone who I’m sewing a skirt to match me and I got a BTSSB Blythe doll a few months ago, she’s so cute!
No. 540648
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>>540537Omg, that Blythe is stunning! I also love Azone dolls, so cute that you're twinning with yours. I saw a really beautiful Azone modeled after Suigintou from Rozen Maiden once, but of course can't remember where I saw her.
No. 540649
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>>540584Licca is so cute! As I've gotten back into rebuilding my collection I've really wanted to get a Licca-chan or a Takara Jenny. I feel like Jenny did more lolita looks, but I love seeing all the punkier visual kei-ita outfits they do for Licca.
No. 541196
>>541157You'd fill out a google form about your interests, tastes in lolita, items in your wish list, things you dont want to receive, etc, and sign up for various price tiers (send a card, a $40 gift, or a $100 gift) first time participants were limited to the first two tiers but if you had successfully participated in the past you could sign up for the $100 tier as well. You'd have to provide a shipping address that would only be shown to the event organizers and your secret santa. Your secret santa would receive the form you filled out so they can shop for you and you'd get the form your giftee filled out so you can shop for them. Once you receive your gift you take a picture and send it into the thread to confirm that you've received it.
I realized /cgl/ is back now so I guess a farms secret santa is no longer necessary, but it's pretty fun in my experience.
No. 541236
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Where can I go for concrit? I don't really trust the reddit community to uphold good standards but I don't know where else to go. I want a place where I can truly be torn to shreds.
No. 541307
>>541077somehow people on lolcow having my address is worse than /cgl/. so no.
>>541236make friends.
No. 541392
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>>541251That would be nice. Most of who i follow now are Japanese lolitas. Western lolitas just always look kinda bad in comparison. I wish there was a way to get critique from them
No. 541432
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Who is buying this stuff
No. 541442
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>>541432I wore a baby dress like this for my wedding. We ended up getting a divorce so I can't recommend tainting lolita with ceremonies involving moids. Will probably wear normie dress for next wedding.
This stuff is way too ott to me to be daily wear it's kind of pointless to get except for a special event, an overall waste of money.
No. 541445
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>>541432It's so sad what happened to Baby
>>541442Damn nona what a story! I always thought of marrying in Lolita but ended up with a H&M dress kek
No. 541554
>>541243Yeah me too, wish I could ask here.
>>541307Will you be my friend nonna
No. 541593
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>>541392I think you're following the wrong western lolitas then… I admit that most lolitas from borgerland look atrocious
No. 541598
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>>541593Sure there are some that are OK, but even the "good" ones often kinda look dirty, unstyled, fat, have wrinkled clothes, or just do weird stuff with their coords. especially the oldschoolers with all of the faded, wrinkled shit they wear.
No. 541616
>>541598I think Japanese lolitas are in general more skinny, better at photo editing and wear more tasteful coords. But I do see a lot of lolita pics from japanese street shot pages I follow looking…..questionable. Definitely seen some uggos.
The main issue with american lolita communities is obesity and gender shit imo. I would never go to a meetup in 2025.
No. 541986
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>>540648>Omg, that Blythe is stunning!Thanks! I got her on surugaya
>I saw a really beautiful Azone modeled after Suigintou from Rozen Maiden onceThe really old ones right? I’ve seen the Shinku pop up a few times but I don’t remember seeing the Suigintou much
They’re cute in a pudgy way, but I love Rozen Maiden in general
No. 542149
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>>541598I honestly think it's, partially due to a reversal of the "cheerleader effect", if that makes sense? I've seen Western lolitas that are cute, make an effort and look good in solo photos, but when you see a group of Western lolitas or a lot of photos in succession, the tacky/dirty/fat ones sort of bring everyone around them down too.
Could be biased because I wear gothic/aristo and am a burger with very white features, but I also do generally think Westerners look best in gothic or classic as opposed to sweet. It's harder to pull off the hyper-cutesy thing if you age like a white person and you aren't ultra-tiny, and coincidentally sweet seems to attract the most obese gendies. As long as you exercise, eat even moderately well and shower regularly, it's a lot easier to pull off classic and gothic as an adult woman. Picrel, I always think she looks best in these looks as opposed to cutesier lolita and she has some of the harshest white girl features I've ever seen.
No. 542280
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>>542216AYRT, I genuinely don't think she's horrible-looking tbh? I know a lot of people find her very ugly, but I feel like I've seen people that look a lot worse. She looks like she showers, she's usually put together and I like her wardrobe. She's not stunning, but she looks like any person I'd see in the Midwest on the daily.
No. 542494
>>542407It's not about ironing or cleaning.
I forgot but
>I wish there was a way to get critique from themHow hard is it to take inspiration from their styling choices? Unless you're broke or new to the fashion it's not rocket science
No. 542541
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>>541593the fact that I know exactly what comm this is from is hilarious to me. it's a small world i suppose
No. 542557
>>542407I mean, the history and archival aspect is part of why I got into lolita in the first place. I like that the fashion is circular and keeps old pieces in circulation, some people just need to be better about repairs, cleaning and storage.
Also let's be so real, with certain brands you'll often get better quality from buying an older release that was kept in good condition than you will from a new release. In most cases I'd rather spend $300 on a pre-2018 Moitie dress than the same $300 on nu-Moitie.
No. 542814
>>542541>longsleeved normie blouse>short cheap ali socks>inspo.pngOh,
nonny, you can do better
No. 542847
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>>542541>>541598I'm neither of the anons but these two for example look fine to me. They're fine coords and they look clean. There is a thing that western Lolitas try to do and it's trying to be too individual with their coord. They just start and already want to break the rules. We all know Lolita has strict rules, for a reason, they make the fashion look like it does. It happens to sweets more for different reasons but also in Gothic you can see it with non-Lolita shoes and harness or fetish shit.
No. 542894
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found these cake headdresses on xitter, my god they are so cute. what dresses would you coord it with nonas?
https://x.com/ichinose7mi/status/1918093509154029676 No. 542978
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>>542894I think these are really cute too, unfortunately it doesn't go with my wardrobe. Would be cute with triple tart.
No. 543083
>>543064I'd argue all of lolita is tacky kek
Who cares?
No. 543092
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>>543083nta but I've never seen a headdress that has foam or fur on it. From very far the thing looks really cute but enlarge the picture and you see the ugly truth. Almost every year there are strawberry themed items released, why does it have to be some crafty one like this?
No. 543097
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>>543064>>543083AP has made ice cream cone headdresses which I'd argue are tackier and I'm saying this as a brand whore. It's what makes sweet lolita fun.
Although I'm aware there are many sweet haters here. No. 543116
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>>543097Nta but your picrel looks way better quality than the cheap taobao tier headdress
>>542894I agree with
>>543064 Lolita should be quality first and foremost. I don't like sweet either but I can still discern good sweet from bad sweet and those cake headdresses look tacky because of the materials and poor construction, not because they're cakes.
That's not to say burando is always better, picrel is an AP headdress that's equally hideous.
No. 543195
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>>543054the generally accepted answer is to get an underskirt in a color that goes with whichever JSK you decide to purchase and lengthen it out that way.
No. 543327
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>>543064>>543092>>543116damn okay I just got excited because I like the combination of 2 hobbies (decoden and lolita) and
I thought it would've looked cute with a coord like little bunny strawberry in the yellow colorway.
I like food themed lolita motifs like chocolate so maybe it doesn't look as bad to me
also I didn't notice the fur and yeah I agree that looks bad, I thought it was fake whipping cream material. I can only hope it keeps the illusion of it from a distance No. 543376
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Lolitas with large wardrobes, do you use fancy hangers to go with your collection? I use standard black hangers to differentiate between my standard wardrobe and lolita wardrobe but I'm interested if anyone has fancy decorative hangers and how they compare to regular ones.
No. 543384
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>>543376no, sadly i need all the space i can get and use ugly multi-hangers like pic rel for blouses and cardigans/boleros.
No. 543440
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>>543376have quite a large wardrobe and these velvet ones are great. For skirt and shirred pieces I use a trouser hanger or fold them over.
No. 543473
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Why does Moonrise Theater even exist as a brand
No. 543566
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>>543473I had to look them up because I haven't heard of them but apparently they're sold at atp? I found this atrocity kek
No. 543593
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Anons what do you think about renaissance and medieval inspired elements in lolita? I've been thinking about making more historical headdresses to go along with my coords. I think they could look good with JetJ. I know some of the fashion take inspiration from baroque as well but I think it's not very prominent which is a shame. My favorite part of lolita and what originally made me interested in it are the historical references but I don't like how the more historical pieces tend to look costumey and are mostly reduced to Taobao brands.
No. 543597
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>>543593I love it! And I really appreciate when a coord is Lolita but references the historical influences of the fashion. Sort of coords in that directions work very well on western girls too. The historical influence is also what made me interested in the fashion because I really like the Victorian era. My wardrobe isn't leaning historical however I'd love to get longer skirts in the future with more pieces inspired by the Victorian times.
No. 543612
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>>543597Your picrel is lovely! Victorian influence is what drew me in too, as it was my favorite period at the time. It's the reason why I don't care about prints that much (with the exception of a few JetJ and Moitie dream dresses)
No. 543769
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I like how in the ita threads even with the usual snark theres anon who point out genuine critique and post advice on how to improve a coord. Glad to know theres still lolitas out there that are willing to help newbies improve
No. 543777
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>>543773>carolmiku god I fucking hate her obnoxious attitude and obnoxious makeup. its like every time she hears critique against herself she doubles down out of spite even if it makes her look more ridiculous in the end. I hate seeing her clown mug on my youtube timeline no matter how many times I click "not interested"
No. 544063
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I hope proto-lolita gets a revival and we see it evolve into something different from 90s-10s lolita, i really want the fashion to keep moving so it can survive but not in the plastic taobao overcrowded direction. Maybe a different silhouette and approach to lace/prints?
No. 544509
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>>544504The make up is shit, the coord is lame and this is an imageboard.
No. 544566
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>>544555Get better taste you can have heavier makeup in lolita without looking like a clown. stop trying to shoehorn drag shit into lolita we already have to deal with sissies coopting the fashion
No. 544570
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>>544456>>544537Proto lolita refers to 90s coords (sometimes 80s too) which were not quite lolita yet but were clearly headed in that direction and influenced the fashion. They often included burando, handmade items and Vivienne Westwood. Oldschool fags are obsessed with proto and like to call any ita coord proto lolita if it includes old burando or VW. I have nothing against proto, I think some of it looks good, but more often than not it's used as an excuse to justify a low effort coord.
No. 544577
>>544555NTA but
>drag makeup>distinctive>a woman using makeup creativelyKek
No. 544588
>>544555go back.
>>544570Thanks nona I've definitely seen coords like those in GLBs but in my head. I just thought it's old school or casual
No. 544598
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>>544596samefag you can have eccentric, ethereal makeup while keeping it classy and not obnoxious. carolmiku is NOT a good example of it kek
No. 544602
>>544588What do you get out of being an echo chamber where everyone must agree?
>>544598I like it but the reason you do not consider this tacky and obnoxious is because it aged and now has a sacred aura around it. Typical herd thinking. Not to mention it would be considered as drag makeup by anyone unfamiliar with vkei
No. 544609
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>>544602ayrt, I do not find it tacky and obnoxious because he doesn't have massive eyeliner and highlights bringing attention to his eyes.
> it would be considered as drag makeup by anyone unfamiliar with vkeiall OTT makeup would be considered drag makeup by a normie, what differentiates mana (even though he
is crossdressing) from a standard drag queen is that drag makeup usually puts emphasis on highlighting the eyes to give the illusion of a larger/feminine shape. In mana's style, the most he has is eyeliner extending past the tear duct.
>Typical herd thinkingI dislike makeup in lolita in general because I'm a classicfag that thinks mascara, lipstick and a faint eyeshadow is enough and anything else is overdoing it, I just have a tolerance for OTT should it stay subdued and fit the substyle (e.g gothic)
No. 544615
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>>544609samefag heres a modern video by a woman if you want an example of exaggerated but subdued makeup
No. 544617
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>>544602>what do you get out of being in an echo chamber A space where people have good taste kek.
I think what sets this environment apart is that for the most part we all like lolita for what it is and appreciate the history of the fashion/don't feel the need to push boundaries just in the name of being creative or unique.
Imo less makeup will almost always look better in lolita than knockoff Trixie Mattel drag shit. You should be clean and groomed, but if the options are drag face paint or lip tint and mascara, the latter will look better in 90% of cases.
No. 544625
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>>544598This is from the Gardenia MV so I don't really categorize it as Lolita but VK. In Lolita Mana wears less make up picrel. Just to add to your post.
>>544602You sound like you come from your tiktok echo chamber and are trying to infest our thread here
No. 544631
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>>544609The style of drag makeup you are mentioning rose to prominence in the 2010s with the likes of Trixie Mattel, but during Mana's peak drag makeup was a lot more tame, therefore this comparison is invalid. If lolita and Mana were new today he would've probably been inspired by drag makeup in the same way contemporary vkei makeup is very OTT. I do understand your taste point of view but I do not share it.
>>544617What makes you different from ita safe spaces if no one can disagree? Participation in a fashion is a balance between personal self-expression and respect of the rules and it is best-executed when a person has a recognisable touch while strictly adhering to general rules.
No. 544639
>>544570i have always heard of/thought of this as the otome of the 90's. it's not quite lolita but you can see what direction it was headed in. i think proto-lolita may just be a term like 'bittersweet' that someone's trying to popularize
>>544603but please stop trying to make fetch happen, gretchen.
No. 544640
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>>544631You can disagree, you're doing it right now, you just happen to be outnumbered by other people expressing an opinion different than yours.
For what it's worth I also think a lot of the other makeup looks posted ITT outside of Mana are ugly too, I'm not a fan of heavy makeup in general. But having a "recognizable touch" is so social media brained kek, some of us just wear our clothes and have our own taste and style within EGL without having to brand ourselves online via ugly makeup.
No. 544645
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>>544631>rose to prominence in the 2010sno the fuck it didn't kek, especially not in the 70s which was the era where divine stars debuted
>What makes you different from ita safe spaces if no one can disagree? We're not saying that every lolita rule is concrete; certain exceptions to rules like animal ears or black + white coords that people may or may not agree with happen all the time, but there are limits that most lolitas would unanimously agree with in order to keep the fashion cohesive. If you want to be speshul and unique you can just call it "lolita-inspired" or make your own shit like party kei
(derailing) No. 544653
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>>544645nta but i think they're saying carol miku and trixie mattel's makeup has more similarity than the style of makeup from oldschool drag. which i agree with, blacking out your entire lid or redrawing your entire facial structure makes it look really cartoony in a way the makeup you posted doesn't quite reach.
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>>544602>What do you get out of being an echo chamber where everyone must agree?were you literally not here in the last thread where we had an entire discussion about ita traits we liked and acceptable accessories we didn't like and how we had a civil discussion about our preferences and that they differentiate based on substyles. You just sound like a contrarian
>>544653a better example would to just post divine stars himself but I'd rather not derail the thread with more ugly scrotes in woman face kek
(derailing) No. 544953
>>544575Arguing for or against personal taste is pointless but
> I like the fact lolita can make you look almost inhumanThis is such an alien conception of the fashion. To me EGL is about carving out a new kind of elegance or freshness. Lolita as an inhuman look makes me think of itas and more broadly, tumblrina interest in fashion that amounts to looking as jarring and clashing as possible. Scary alien can be a cute look but it has to be coherent in a way that's not dissimilar to lolita. The "sticking 3 mismatched elements" style of coording feels like a child is smashing their toys and sticking a doll head on a plush toy because they couldn't get the doll to stand upright.
>>544063Kek i didn't think this would turn into a terminology discussion, proto-lolita is not that serious of a concept, or even a category at all. Casual old school or Olive girl (if you go further back) works just as well
>>544710>ugly fruits coordsI find them adorable kek
No. 545055
>>543231i really love this type of j-fashion. i know it's not straight-up lolita or anything but it reminds me of the wardrobe from a historical drama like anne of green gables but even daintier. she looks like she just stepped out of a storybook.
styles like this are maybe the reason why so many people moved over to cottagecore/tradwife fashion after a time, it's just less fussy than lolita overall and still has some of the same 'aw, how quaint' vibes. i need to go buy a straw basket and a boater hat immediately now.
No. 545281
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My dream dress is on sale on Mercari but it's a little too much for my budget. It's so beautiful though and I know for a fact I would wear it in normie outfits as well as actual coords. It would work for OTT as well as casual and as I said before - normie. Seriously considering selling some of my less worn pieces to feel more justified with the purchase because it's a more obscure piece and Idk when it might get listed again… I already bought from this seller too (it was another dream item, a skirt), so I trust that the dress will be in good condition. It would be my most expensive EGL purchase since I almost exclusively shop secondhand. It's probably not an outrageous amount for most anons here but I'm an EE fag so the money exchange rate plays a role for me plus I'm still a student. Picrel not related
No. 545282
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>>544953You are misinterpreting my semantics and overreacting to your own misinterpretation. Looking otherworldly doesn't mean sticking 3 mismatched elements in a tumblrina coord.
No. 545363
>>545348NTA but I think you're confused about what makeup look sparked this discussion. It's not 'anyone who wears makeup is doing too much' it is very specifically the
>>543777 type of makeup, i.e. Juggalo-tier clown paint. I think everyone here is saying 'wearing makeup good' it's just a matter of how much. Too little and it doesn't match the vibe of lolita, either, but when I see someone like carolmiku it comes off like, 'oh, they
really enjoy attention, huh?'
Personally I think it's an intentional ploy to make herself more of a memorable content creator because what she has to say isn't that noteworthy and she's not incredibly charismatic, so 'the one that wears clown makeup' makes it easier for her to stand out of the herd. But if we're going to make this a carolmiku specific discussion it should be moved to the /w/ thread imo.
No. 545367
>>545348ntayrt but I'm not sure if some of you involved in this make up discussion are actually Lolitas or just zoomers with tiktok brainrot. Please go through the thread of coords we like and you'll see that the majority of the girls there wear normal make up and nothing crazy or drag.
>>>/g/528205 Lolita is supposed to focus on the fashion and insane make up obviously takes away from it just to name one reason why it's rubbish.
>>545363>moving carolmiku discussion to /w/absolutely please
No. 545392
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>>545348>bare faced lolitas look homely and it looks just sad to me (makes me think of historical photos of inbred peasants wearing their best garments because that's the only photo they will be taking alive but the nice garment and combed hair can't hide their tired ass field working faces)Ignoring the fact that nobody was talking about never wearing any make up, what a way to out yourself as an uggo and/or fatty. Pigs with lipstick are still pigs.
No. 545401
>>545392this ad is hilarious
why the fuck did they do this
10/10 photoshoot bring whoever came up with this back on IW's marketing team
No. 545403
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>>545348Every single image I posted is from a GLB makeup tutorial kek, these are not bare-faced field workers. Nobody is railing against makeup, you usually need some sort of makeup to balance your coord. The issue, like other anons pointed out, is that extremely heavy makeup doesn't balance as much as it does overpower your coord.
No. 545437
>>544555the difference between this and
>>544566 is that
>>544566 actually works with sweet lolita, which is what carol wears? i will never understand why she slaps on so much black eyeliner when her coords are pastel. you can wear "heavy" makeup but make it match your coordinate.
No. 545511
>>545392Isn't it ironic that this anon calls lolitas who wear little to no makeup "homely" as if it's a crime or something you have to expiate by drenching your face in oily products (won't help, now you're just homely
and crusty). All this to defend fag makeup used in misogynistic skits, it's almost too on the nose. The youtuber who sparked this discussion probably doesn't share these views but man why are drag defenders always cucked
No. 545590
>>545554>having visible heavy makeup will look weirdWhat about wearing lolita?
>covering your face in 3 layers of makeup won't fix your features"Fixing the features" is not the intent of the type of heavy makeup you are referencing in the first place. You are reaching
>going "women be ugly" when people point out clown face paint looks ridiculous is retardedWhen did I say this?
No. 545593
>>545055I've noticed that these longer length, more casual dresses like in
>>543231 seem to be considered as lolita among Japanese lolitas while Western lolitas usually won't accept them as such (though for Shimamura itself, I've also seen debate among Japanese lolitas regarding whether it is lolita or not specifically due to it being of lower production quality).
No. 545602
>>545590Depends on what kind of weird you're looking for. It's okay if you don't get or care for the difference between clothing you put
on your body and something that flattens or alters your facial features. But many do and crucially, they don't like the final result of abstract-looking western drag makeup, especially in the context of lolita.
>"Fixing the features" is not the intent of the type of heavy makeup you are referencing in the first placeIt is in drag, that's why contouring is so important for the look
>When did I say this?I'm referencing what
>>545348 said, if you're not her then this is kind of a pointless discussion lel
No. 545614
>>545602>It is in drag, that's why contouring is so important for the lookI understand "fixing the features" as concealing apparent flaws while retaining your actual facial features and aesthetics. Drag and current j-fashion (jirai, vkei) makeup is about altering the features entirely not only as compared to your own face but even normal human features
>if you're not her then this is kind of a pointless discussion lelI'm not her
No. 546003
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>>545627I really wish I had better advice for you
nonnie… I have curly hair too and it's long, I just straighten it or put it in cute braids (like picrel) for lolita because its so overwhelming how it gets stuck and caught on things and makes wearing lolita really overstimulating. The good thing is that curly hair allows for really voluminous hairstyles. Maybe really cute fluffy twin tails?
No. 546035
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>>545942I mostly use pinterest and there I have folders for coord inspos for pieces that I own, one for general inspo and one for dream pieces.
>>545989Discord sounds actually awesome for that
>>545627If you have curly hair you can do some cute updos. I have straight hair and often lack the volumen for updos. Like the other anon said twintails is always an option and looks cute with a headdress for example.
No. 546059
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>>545627Really depends on your curl type nona. Most hairstyles that put your hair up to show off your volume will be really good. Afro puffs are simple and go well with a range of styles. If you have a curl type that lets you do finger coils easily, they can add a cute texture to your style when done as bangs or as accent details pulled into a hairband. Same for two cornrows that frame the face. You can do lots of different braided styles too. I like using hair jewellery in gold or silver to match what I'm wearing.
I find that half-cornrowed into an afro (like picrel) also works really well and is easily accessorised. The volume we have also means you can play a bit more with hair accessories, so don't be afraid to experiment with those either.
No. 546413
>>546059this looks so cute nona! I have a looser curl pattern though, but i feel like it'll work well (I have 3b-3a hair).
>>546035I cant believe i've never considered twintails even though theyre a staple. I feel so dumb now kek. Ty nona!
>>546003I used to also straighten my hair loads, but it's literally killing my hair. The picrel does look cute and i'm sure you look just as cute in them
No. 546595
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How much money do you girls usually spend per month (or trimester) on lolita?
No. 546874
>>546595I bought most of my lolita years ago. At my highest I was buying on average one main piece a month at anywhere between 10-35k yen each, and then a few supplementary accessories per SS order. But then the market for my substyle (classic) got really expensive and there isn't much circulating. Most things I either already own, have something similar to or just aren't interested in. Besides a few wishlist pieces that rarely come up, I feel like I already have everything I need.
These days I only purchase big ticket items (main pieces, outerwear, leather goods such as shoes and handbags) a few times a year, and smaller things that fill a gap in my wardrobe every few months. It's hard to give a monthly estimate since I can sometimes go several months without buying anything, but based on the last few years I'd say on average I spend 60-80k yen per year on lolita. I still love lolita but I've run out of stuff to buy for the most part and spend that money on other fashion and hobbies.
No. 547026
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>>546595Similar to classic anon at the time I was building my wardrobe I was spending around 400$ on it. I can't imagine getting into lolita after COVID and stimmy checks destroying the western market, and now because of weak yen the eastern one is fucked too. I don't think I've bought anything off of LM in the past two years. Now I maybe spend around 1k on lolita once a year, and spend the rest of my disposable income exploring other fashions.
No. 547117
>>546595I don't really have a budget atm. I've spent $1k some months because good things pop up (and I've spent around that already this month oops, prices are SO high right now), but it's common for me to spend $0-$50 for months on end because I've been wearing the fashion for a long time and don't need much anymore. I know I'm in a good position financially and it's not the norm, so I try not to talk about my purchases unless I'm around other people who wear my substyle. I suspect
>>546874 and I are into the same brand(s).
No. 547134
I'm surprised people run out of stuff to buy. There's more lolita being produced than ever before, you guys don't like ANY new stuff? I know westerners are usually a few years behind, but I'm still surprised.
>>547087Don't give up, it all adds up over time
No. 547156
>>547087I'm in a similar situation like you, lonelita with no social media so I also try to take my time! With this budged you're going to be okey. Lolita was always about planning your coords well and thought through so try to invest in staple pieces.
>>547131Agree and full of scalpers
No. 547168
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>>546595I typically spend about $100-$500 a month, depending on other expenses, but it's also worth noting I live with my Nigel (so I have slightly more flexible disposable income). $500 a month is the maximum I have allocated for lolita, $1,000 is pretty much my whole monthly hobby/outing budget and I don't like to eat into my other hobbies/opportunities to see friends just to get a dress.
Last month/paycheck I probably spent about $430, I have a shopping service order shipping that was around $150 (but that also has CDs and a gift for my friend, so not all lolita) and then I also just bit the bullet and got the black x black Rose Lace Cross from the Moitie release which I believe was about $280.
No. 547171
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>>547163Who mentioned prints? It seems to be a misconception that all new lolita is prints, when there are tons of new designs that aren't prints.
I mostly follow Japanese classics. they seem to be the only ones still carrying the fashion and not just wearing the same stuff from 20 years ago.
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>>546595I spend between $50 and $300 a month as a sweet lolita.
My wardrobe is solid and I don't need basics anymore since it's been some years, but you can never too many socks or accesoires. Why it's so broad is also because if I see a main piece I want, I'll get it; but that's usually my only purchase that month then.
No. 547181
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>>547171Man, you seem like an annoying classic lolita, sorry. I bet you're the same anon who was saying this on /cgl/ the other day. Unfortunately a lot of the newer classic pieces that have come out within the past several years look VERY different than what we grew up with as "classic." Personally I dislike the long length dresses. They don't suit me. Even so, it's not wrong to not find it unappealing based on aesthetics alone.
If you're trying to make the point that lolitas should be buying from brands instead of secondhand seller in order to keep lolita relevant and the brands in business, I get that. For this reason, a lot of us are trying to support the Mary Magdalene releases when they do pop up, in hopes for a revival of that style again. I also think we are still buying accessories from classic brands as well.
No. 547184
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>>547171>carrying the fashion and not just wearing the same stuff from 20 years agoI don't see what's wrong with wearing old pieces. I wear lolita because I like it, there's no obligation to keep moving forward with the trends unless maybe you're a designer. Your picrel doesn't have a print but it has a very boring construction imo and has nothing in common with what made me want to wear the fashion in the first place. I'm not a fan of the Little House on the Prairie/Anne of Green Gables kind of style that Japanese lolitas seem to gravitate towards. To me peak classic was late 2000s/early 2010s JetJ and VM. I don't expect other lolitas to agree with me, neither should you tbh. We all have different tastes and preferences. Picrel is one of my dream dresses, the print is flocky which sadly probably wouldn't be the case if it was released today.
No. 547185
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>>547134I like some new stuff but I am also a classic anon and classic is completely dead at the moment. There is no jp indie brand doing classic anymore and I also think VM is garbo now. The secondhand market for classic is also completely dry so I no longer browse it obsessively and this has diminished my want to buy stuff, I just want to wear what I have and keep an eye out for interesting non-lolita pieces I could incorporate with classic. One recent brand I bought two dresses from that I really enjoy is Herhum, their pieces look boring from their stock photos but irl their dresses are incredibly well constructed. I bought this JSK when I was in Japan and it's marvelous, all cotton, the textured fabric is beautiful and it's very well crafted. If any other nonnas know of any other recent interesting lolita brands they like please share! No use gatekeeping, it just keeps the western scene wearing the same things they were wearing 10 years ago.
No. 547190
>>547182Sure, let us just disappear from the community entirely. I don't get your point.
>for a fashion they readily admit left them behind over a decade ago We still own the clothes, and wear them. I didn't know there was any other prerequisite for being a lolita.
>>547185You might like Fairy Wish!
No. 547193
>>547182>fashion they readily admit left them behind over a decade agoAnon, you can wear the fashion without buying new releases. It's literally what we're talking about rn in this thread. Why do you think we're talking about the
second hand market being dry? Kek do you think oldschoolfags have "left the fashion" too?
No. 547194
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>>547185Samefag here is another set from Herhum that looks basic but is actually stunning irl, the textured fabric is gorgeous too bad you can't see it clearly from any of their pics.
No. 547195
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>>547190It just seems to be the same conversation over and over. Classic is dead. You only like old VM and MM and it's too expensive now. It's been the same topic for over 10 years. Doesn't it get boring?
No. 547204
>>547190(amending to add Fairy Wish is not new, but I don't see anyone talking about them.)
>>547195No, because I still buy old MM and VM because I'm old myself and can afford it. I love them so much, genuinely. As much as the scarcity sucks, there is a sense of community within the western classic comm because of it. It's actually a lot of fun to help each other find our DDs for a decent price.
No. 547206
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>>547181It's sad to me that the western community seems content to stagnate. I do think lolitas should try to support current brands that are still producing new items.
When I look at the Japanese community, they look so vibrant and happy, wearing new pieces and trying new trends. The western community seems so stagnant in comparison, clinging to old pieces, old trends from ages ago. I think if they were more open, they would find new stuff they enjoy too.
No. 547226
>>547206I just don't think you can force people to like things.
fwiw I absolutely despise your picrel. It would look so much better with the clashing teddy coat.
No. 547233
>>547206As I said, new releases are far from the main subject discussed in these threads. And I agree with
>>547226 your picrel looks hideous to me.
No. 547241
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I like that she is willing to do things differently and has her own style. It beats watching yet another oldschooler making exact copies from 2002 street snaps.
No. 547257
>>547245You don't need to buy new releases or even second hand new additions to your wardrobe to engage with the hobby. What's not clicking? Most classicfags in this thread probably already have big wardrobes that they're content with, all it takes to engage with the hobby is to WEAR the clothes. Making your own pieces is probably a hundred times more true to being engaged with lolita than throwing money at brands anyway. You're clearly a sweetfag so you'd have barely anything in common with classics who buy new releases. I doubt you're missing out on any conversations because they wouldn't involve you in the first place.
You're the one shitting up the thread, not some random anons who talked about their wardrobes.
No. 547260
>>547241Your pic is just ott sweet in Chinese. Personally I’m not a fan.
> It beats watching yet another oldschooler making exact copies from 2002 street snaps.I get it though because it’s the nostalgia that drives them. I guess some Lolitas move forward and some like to look back and take that as inspiration.
No. 547332
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>>547324Kind of off-topic of classic specifically, but I'd love to see a revival of the more aristocrat-style sleek longer lengths in gothic. I know we've had some longer length releases from AtePie recently, and one or two from Moitie, but they're all sort of over-the-top (and Moitie keep using a sheer fabric overlay that makes me think of a first communion dress kek). I've heard a lot of classics saying the don't want the long lengths, wish we could trade substyle hemline lengths kek. Picrel is one of my dream dresses (Capulet Cross JSK by Atelier Boz), I'd love to see more designs like this in the future.
No. 547335
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>>547324You might not like new classic, but that doesn't mean the whole style is dead. It's just moved on from the brands and styles you specifically liked.
No. 547350
>>547335Some of those look like cosplays I’m sorry, nta btw
>>547332Agree I actually like a little bit of a longer length and I’d love to see more aristo pieces. I don’t understand why not more brands go in that direction, it’s sad.
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>>547332I really like Alpstola's stuff.
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>>547361AYRT, I love them so much. They've been sold out of a few pieces I want, but I'm keeping an eye on the restocks. I saw they just restocked the short Juliet OP, I'm waiting with bated breath to see if they put out the long version as well!
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>>547332>>547324Another tangent, different nonna. I used to love Innocent World so much and I miss when they were more experimental and put out a wider range of pieces. I especially loved their boystyle pieces. Imo it was so much cuter and more flattering than the boystyle/ouji that I see today (with exception to aatp).
Are there any current brands that also make vest and shorts in the same style?
No. 547393
>>547375I hope they restock what you'd like nona! I've been really eyeing some of their stuff in white, but none of the things I'm interested in are in stock. I've got notifications on for their Insta posts now to see if they end up restocking anything I'd like.
>>547389A lot of Chinese brands actually put out some decent vest + shorts combos every now and then. Forest Song and La Pomme are both good for that.
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Anyway, any nonnas who have pieces from kseraphim? Their photoshoots are so ethereal, and I like that they collab with anonhat often.
No. 547456
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>>547448This collab bonnet especially is fucking beautiful
No. 547461
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>>547444You didn't ask about brand names, anon? Marchentica/hiroko tokumine, m. Petit, hoshibako works, triple fortune, new innocent world, lief, and new victorian maiden are all ones I see on Japanese classic lolitas a lot. They're currently all loving the antique bouquet rerelease as well. I'm always surprised when people say classic is dead, it seems almost as popular as sweet in Japan.
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There is a new indie brand Pride of Rodante
Axes femme has some classic stuff too
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>>547332This is just my personal experience, but as someone who wears both classic and Boz style EGA I don't actually have a problem with long lengths generally. I just think the way classic brands have been executing them lately is really ugly. The Boz dress still has a nice shape to it and looks tailored and flattering as opposed to new VM and IW that looks baggy and sloppy even on the models. Even if the dresses were a foot shorter they would still look bad. I think what a lot of us classics actually miss is the tailored silhouette that these brands used to consistently make, such as picrel which is still longer than typical lolita length but isn't sloppy. It is simple but fits nicely and is very elegant. I know long lengths aren't for everyone but they are far from the reason I am uninterested in most new classic releases.
No. 547700
>>547652>Pink House style silhouettesThis is the way to describe it that was escaping me. I can see why people like Misako and those who have a similar body type and features to her would like it, and that's who these brands are catering to. Unlike Misako who has soft features and still looks good in sweet, I have sharper features and like accentuating my waist so stuff like
>>547461 is pretty but doesn't work for me. The last few new releases I bought from classic brands I ended up selling because they didn't suit me. If it suits other anons and they love it more power to them, but it's not what I personally want to wear or feel good in and I don't want to force myself to keep up with new trends.
Most of my classic wardrobe is darker and slightly gothic leaning anyway so I do actually find myself looking at brands like Boz for inspo, funnily enough.
No. 548045
>>547502I got really excited because I love green colorways and then I zoomed in and
>>547513 is kinda right.
Lower left and middle right are salvageable but the other two on the lower row are weird as fuck.
No. 548048
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>>548017Nta but the post implies in the picture is “the new classic”. Maybe some need to put in a bit more effort in their posts when talking about a specific topic.
No. 548086
>>548055>>547257>>548055I'm an eastern USA lolita and have been in and out of several comms along the coast since 2010. I'm just putting my voice out here since this and the previous post makes it seem that if a lolita enjoys sewing that she is less likely to support brand. That is simply not true. I agree that 15 or so years back diy/thrifting/repurposing vintage was more practiced, but as soon as shopping agents/services and international shipping became widely avaliable, a lot of it stopped. While sewing can be a fun and creative experience, it was due to a lack of resources, and largely, no one I have met prefers it. I used to sew a lot back then and while I still enjoy sewing (I own several G&LBs and Otome No Sews and will sometimes make a commercially avaliable design), I would rather buy and support brand. Most sewing lolitas that I've met have wardrobes that are mostly brand, as well. We can make our own clothes, sure, but we know that these dresses come from shops with small teams of designers and semestresses too. So much work goes into sewing lolita, most designs are complicated and expensive. Ruffles, pintucks, gathering, ect takes a crazy amount of time to do and finding the perfect fabric, buttons, lace, ribbon, ect notions can be expensive. We understand this deeply, and recognize how much hard work it takes for them to produce. Without support, they will sink. Plus it is just nice to own clothing from brands we like. This is a fashion subculture, with brand focus. You don't see semestresses who wear high-end fashion, reproducing it. They are mocked if they do. The only reason I would sew today (with exception to prints, of course, since I can not make the print) is if there was an older piece that I knew I could not find, and that is after searching through secondhand shops, fb sales, or even poshmark/depop/ebay and getting no results.
No. 548102
>>548086100% agree with you nonna. I sew and will sometimes make myself accessories (bonnets, wrist cuffs, little corsage brooches or whatever), but in general lolitas who sew want to support designers and seamstresses we like.
I think what people miss when they talk about DIY vs brand is that most coords they see with DIY pieces were a mix of both. The way you can make DIY work most successfully is to mix "high and low" which is something done in basically every Japanese fashion subculture. But a lot of itas insist that 100% DIY was how it was in the ~old school days~
No. 548104
>>548086I can agree with this. At this point I have a nice little mini wardrobe I've seen for myself, but if anything it makes me appreciate brand more. Sewing is a real headache.
It's always bothered me how much some people shit on brand. These are basically small foreign artists. They're not big companies. Even the biggest one, AP, is comparatively very small. But entitled Americans will go out of their way to shit on brand and talk about how brands are greedy and bad. They readily buy cheap knock offs and talk about how much better everything else is than brand. It's all so insanely gross and disrespectful when the brands basically made lolita what it is and are small artists just trying to make a living making art. There's a huge disconnect with what people think brand are and what they actually are. People act like they are walmart or something and they're sticking it to big greedy capitalists when they're actually mostly small artists and small businesses trying to make a living and they are shitting all over them like entitled little pissbabies. It's ridiculous.
No. 548106
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>>547979>as a fan of old school aesthetics>can't stand baggy shapes ?
No. 548109
>>548102> most coords they see with DIY pieces were a mix of both.agreed.
the main difference between coasts is that on the east coast i saw a lot of people doing the mix and match of DIY, vintage, and brand. on the west coast most people wear exclusively brand/taobao and very little DIY or vintage (if any).
very few people on the east coast were doing 100% DIY though. or if they were, they looked objectively awful. i remember one girl who proposed the idea of 'rainbow skittles' as a coord theme simply because that was the type of quilting fabric she was planning to use for making her skirt. the rest of the comm all tried to politely dissuade her but 'muh creativity'… those were the kind of bleak times we were living in.
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>>548106NTA but "old school" was a time period that encompassed a lot of different silhouettes and styles, not just the baggy frumpy look. There was a lot of the sleek A-line Mary Magdalene stuff going on too, and the more streamlined gothic silhouettes.
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How many main pieces do you have in your wardrobe? How many do you wish you had?
No. 548564
>>548253>How many main pieces do you have in your wardrobe?0 kek. I became properly interested in this fashion literally 2 weeks ago because it's so beautiful, and it's exciting but I'm a little overwhelmed with where to start because there's so much choice and a lot to learn (don't want to get scammed when buying older pieces, unsure what proxies to use if necessary when buying new pieces).
>How many do you wish you had?Enough to create 1 full coord.
No. 548567
>>548564Oh my god fellow beginner nona, same. I'm
>>547087, we got into it at the same time. My goal is at least 3 full coords in one year.
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>>548567weirdly heartwarming seeing newlitas getting excited about the fashion, this is making me nostalgic. welcome aboard!
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>>548584Thank you
nonnie! I am both nervous and thrilled to embark on this new journey
No. 548595
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>>548564>>548567welcome to the fashion nonas! What made you interested in Lolita in the first place? I'm personally not so sure anymore but probably it's a mix of seeing Rozen Maiden and being exposed to it on a website for weebs kek. Please take a good look at the 'Coords we like thread' and the 'ita thread'. I think those are helpful when understanding what makes a good coord.
No. 548671
>>548564>>548567>>548670I'm newish too! I say newish because I've been lurking the fashion for a while, I bought a
blouse, skirt, and petticoat like three years ago but I've only recently committed to getting more pieces. I feel I might have bought too much in one go (including from Taobao, a brand piece and also considering secondhand sales) but I just feel really excited.
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>>548670You could try underbust JSKs or skirts nonna! An underbust A-line skirt like the ones Sheglit does (picrel) would be really flattering if it's just your bust you're concerned about. Generally separates will be your friend, and will let you accommodate your bust with larger sized blouses.
No. 548753
>>548253I usually float at ~30 main pieces. Anything more than that feels excessive to me given my space and lifestyle.
There’s a handful of dream dresses/white whales I’d like to add in but I reached the point in lolita where I don’t need to buy every single little thing I think is cute or a good deal. I’m only looking for specific items now.
No. 548793
>>548509I'd honestly consider myself a bit of a hoarder, but when I tell this to people IRL, they claim I'm not because I keep my stuff clean and care for/use it, so I guess it depends on definition. I know I have a lot more pieces than most lolitas, but I justify it to myself since my tastes encompass a wide variety, and they also tend to change seasonally. I know that during spring, I will want to wear florals. When summer comes, I'll want to wear more nautical themed and berry print coords, when autumn hits, I'm more into gothic styles or browns, and in winter I generally like Innocent World style prints, so because I like such a range, it's necessary to have appropriate pieces to accompany those. There are some accessory items that I only use in one or two coords, but it's the perfect piece for those coords so even though it's not the most efficient use of an item, I like to keep it so I have it for those specific coords. I don't think a capsule wardrobe or a more curated wardrobe would work for me because I often get dressed according to the "vibe" of the day, which can be influenced by what music I listened to in the morning or what media I've been enjoying lately. I also know I'm a lolita who gets surprised by unexpected pieces. There have been a few items I decided to take a chance on and item and buy, thinking "well it's not exactly something I'd normally wear, but it's cheap enough that I can try to coord it once and if I don't like it, I will be able to get my money back" but surprisingly nearly every dress I've done this with has ended up becoming a favorite with several wears, so I think it has led me to become a bit less selective with my purchases, since I have a good history of being pleasantly surprised. I wonder if any other nonnalitas have had similar experiences with taking a chance on an item and ending up loving it?
>How difficult it is for you to part with pieces that no longer serve you This aspect is easy for me. If I am confident the piece isn't to my liking, I don't have a problem getting rid of it at all. The only thing that does hold me back is that Paypal has some sort of $600 limit, where if I sell more than $600 worth of items, it wants me to give them my ID card and I don't have any plans on doing that since I'm not sure I trust them to be entirely secure? Once I get close to that limit, I generally stop selling online for the year and will only sell at swap meets after.
No. 548934
>>548793Even though I have a lot of dresses, I don't think i'm a hoarder either. I have no problem getting rid of things i don't need anymore. I'm like you in that I know I will wear things seasonally, so I have a lot of different styles available. Even if I haven't worn something in awhile, I usually get to it eventually.
I've also found impulse purchases to work out sometimes! But it's not every time, so I still try to limit them. I've always liked and wanted to try a lot of different substyles and trends.
No. 549073
>>542871Was waiting for my Rose Cross to come in so I could reply! The lace is soft and beautiful, the silhouette and back lacing is so flattering, the lining is done really nicely… but the fabric is so weird? I own a JSK from that old school Harajuku costume brand Good Luck (famous for that one two-piece set all the edgy old schoolers have), and that JSK is the only thing I can compare the material to. The Moitie material is slightly thicker, but they're both made of like, mid-weight polyester that almost feels like a school uniform? Luckily it isn't tent material kek, but it doesn't necessarily feel like the most luxurious polyester when you compare it to other brands that use thicker poly (Atelier Boz or AtePie).
Overall though it isn't enough to diminish my happiness with the dress, it's beautiful and I'm so excited to wear it! I might take myself out to a cute cafe tomorrow just to have an excuse to style it.
No. 549120
>>548253I’m around 35+ main pieces and I don’t really have any plans to stop buying. I’m not wealthy by any means, but my cost of living is incredibly low and I have a room dedicated to my wardrobe so space has never been an issue.
I really love supporting my favorite brands and I wear lolita frequently enough that it doesn’t feel like any of my pieces are just gathering dust.
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>>549073I was so concerned because in the model photos the dress does these weird bumps but mine is completely smooth. It's probably not the most amazing poly but I'm perfectly happy. I think another nona here said that a lot of newer MmM pieces look better in rl than in the stock photo and for this one it might be true. I also have the blouse in the picture and it's sooo soft and smooth.
No. 549465
>>548595>Please take a good look at the 'Coords we like thread' and the 'ita thread'. I think those are helpful when understanding what makes a good coord.I did that as soon as I got into the fashion kek
>What made you interested in Lolita in the first place? The very first reason I got into lolita was because I was always interested in jfashion and understood that most elements/items in jfashion that I like are somehow influenced by lolita or directly originated from it. I hate microtrends and am always afraid of my fashion being "dated" but lolita seemed like something that would give me a timeless style because lolita never grows old (other than trends within the fashion like OTT sweet). I'm also a hyperfeminine person who wants to exert my hyperfemininity outside of the male gaze and it seemed like there was no fashion wherein I could truly do that until I discovered lolita. Oh and, my hobby is hunting for clothes and priding myself in rare finds so lolita's perfect for that as well.
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I had to kek at this
No. 549991
>>548553She is, IIRC think she was the artist who drew dolls or doll-inspired art.
>>549712It’s at €31 already…
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What do you guys think of this? I quite like the tartan but I feel like every other color way of this looks kind of strange. I might get it because it's quite cheap for what it is, and I've been wanting a tartan jsk like this but I don't really have burando money right now. From a (Chinese? I think) brand called Laura Doll. Is it cute or am I just blinded by the cheapish price tag?
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>>550997Samefriend, this brand definitely has some stinkers like picrel, but I think the one I posted above was pretty cute. For some reason they always add pink to their BxW pieces and it looks a little odd. I guess I appreciate them trying something different.
No. 551811
>>551109Exactly
>in a typical chinese lolita wayWonder why they have an aversion to a-line. A-line's great!
No. 551833
>>550997what the other nonas said but honestly for something offbrand and chinese it's not bad at all. I think with a little bit less poofy petticoat it might look alright. The silouette could be very flattering. I'd not overdo the rest of the coord then since it is quite detailed already.
>>551005The silouette is weird on this. The skirt it huge and the bib-thingy on the chest is very strange. It probably looks best with zero boobs.
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>>551788AYRT, I was worried about that skirt too… I don't understand why they went for such a huge poof, doesn't really make sense for this kind of dress.
>if you used a smaller petticoat it would look baggy and frumpy.Oh man, you think so? I was hoping that using one of my A-line petti would make it look nicer and sit a little longer.
>>551109I was hoping the longer bodice might be more flattering since I am a little tall (and flat kek), I like high waist/empire waist stuff but sometimes it looks a little weird on me. I think the skirt is seriously way too short though, on the black one it looks more proportional.
>>551811I know right, a-line is so elegant…
What do you guys think of the OP version? It's a little differently proportioned than the jsks.
No. 551838
>>551836Can you describe your body type? It's hard to know what would look flattering on you without it. Are you short or tall? Are you top heavy? Are your shoulders wide or narrow? What is the size or your bust?
For instance, your picrel would look good on someone with narrow shoulders and a square-shaped face, and who is short (as the waist is quite high). If you have a round face, the round peter pan collar will accentuate it in a bad way, and if your shoulders are wide and bust is large, the puff sleeves and bodice details are going to make you look obese.
No. 551841
>>551836the OP is very cute nona! The waist sits a bit higher but the skirt part is longer so it might look more balanced, when you're tall!
>>551838Damn is this really how other Lolitas pick a dress? I usually just see if the measurements fit and then that's it kek
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>>552708someone might call it ita but it's cheap and I think the lace and fabric are nice for the price. it's a good daily staple imo. if you're looking for actual brand I guess the shirring tiered JSK from Meta is a good one, and they have a lot of colors.
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>>552720Is dressing for your body type having an ED?
No. 552763
>>552760I'm not the nona who was asking the questions here
>>551838 but it's basic things you have to ask yourself when styling yourself, you won't believe it but it's information that all professional stylists require and work with
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i've gotten back to dance/professional theatre and i've been having issues with what i wear. we're supposed to wear sportswear (at least for rehearsals) and i can barely fake a normie casual outfit, never mind sportswear. even if i just throw a tshirt over a regular skirt i feel terrible and ugly when i just want to be cute and frilly. i really don't know what to do.(wrong thread)
No. 552796
>>552760Oh yeah i see why you specified anachan
>>552761It only doesn't 'suit' you if you want to minimize what your body and face naturally looks like. If you're okay with being angular or yang or whatever, it's not a problem if something enhances it or "clashes" with it. I get that taking height and general shape in consideration is important for elegance (height in particular is key) but the option of not caring or even liking that certain details enhance your angular traits is always there. Sure, some details will look amazing on some bodies but it doesn't mean you
only have to wear those. Plus a lot of kibbe theory advice is very… millenial and rigid in what they say women should wear
or flimsy and vibes-based to the point where you might aswell just wear what you want (within reason).
No. 552859
>>552796>you want to minimize what your body and face naturally looks like. If you're okay with being angular or yang or whatever, it's not a problem if something enhances it or "clashes" with itI literally said I don't go for hyperfeminine shapes because I'm extremely angular ("very round feminine collars don't suit me"), meaning I intend to emphasise my angularity, not minimise it, Ms. No-reading-comprehension
>what they say women should wearStyle theory isn't only applied to women and kibbe is just one small aspect of it
No. 552912
>>552859>it's not a problem if something clashes with itHow did you miss the caveat? It's also fine if something is not "suited" to angular frames. Besides what i'm saying is really that it's not a requirement and still is pretty subjective depending on what you want. I don't mean that you can't go for a certain look, obviously
>Style theory isn't only applied to womenRight but most of this "don't wear this on a 45° angle or you'll look obese" retardation from the og reply is aimed at women and is coming from women. Come on
No. 552987
>>552842>I'm tall and thin and angular and look great in round collars. It's my favorite type of collar. Yeah, that's exactly why they look good on you, because you are thin and angular. Round collars soften sharp edges and are flattering. For people who are round and have have round faces, it only accentuates their roundness in an unflattering way. None of this is kibbe or any other trademarked nonsense but simply colour and shape theory applied to fashion. I don't understand people who have a fashion-based hobby but don't even care about fashion theory? Why do we even have an ita thread then if
>the option of not caring or even liking that certain details enhance your angular traits is always thereis true?
No. 553005
>>552796>How did you miss the caveat? It's also fine if something is not "suited" to angular frames There are some things that look as objectively bad as it gets in a subjective field like fashion. If I wear extremely dainty coquettish stuff with my sharp angles and huge hands and feet I look like a sissy crossdresser. We've got to assess quality somehow because "do what you want, love yourself and be happy" is ita rhetoric
>>552987NTA (I'm the anon she was responding to) I'm angular and like I said round collars look bad on me, I'm a V collar type of person but all of this is complicated and also depends on other proportions. I should've phrased my first post in a more nuanced manner, it was just an example. I agree with the message of your post completely
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>>552919As far as I know, RaineDragon is a Lolibrary mod and the main contributor to that server. Somehow, despite wearing lolita for years, she is perpetually stuck in the 2010's tacky sweet hellscape, which is just looking worse and worse as time goes on. Picrel probably answers your question lol, it's a terrible server because the mod dresses like this.
No. 553054
>>552987Imo fashion theory is too vague and subjective to really be useful. I guess it's worth discussing, but i take it with a grain of salt.
I wonder if eastern fashion even has the same fashion theory tenets as western fashion. I bet it doesn't.
No. 553436
>>553005>If I wear extremely dainty coquettish stuff with my sharp angles and huge hands and feet I look like a sissy crossdresser. No you don't, women with big hands don't remotely look male. You're just beating yourself up
>>553071Yes, please. It's obviously too small and short for her. That's it. No need to sperg about collars as you say
>>553043I wonder if this is common for older lolitas, like they just stop keeping up with trends and stick with whatever style they wore in their late 20s. Maybe we'll see 30something nu-old school lolitas in 15 years kek
No. 553454
>>553436It'll be interesting to see! Because I know there used to kind of be an idea that if you wore sweet, you had to "graduate" to classic or tone it down at some point. But it seems like there's been a lot of pushback against that, and we're seeing more older sweet lolitas still wearing the OTT style. I personally don't have a dog in the sweet graduation fight, but mid-30'z women wearing OTT sweet sort of gives me a Ms. Frizzle vibe.
Not like 30's is elderly and decrepit, but that very hyper-cutesy and stylize look is hard to pull off even for people within the "age range" for it. I think it's much easier to continue wearing gothic and classic (and the Misako Punk House style sweet) into your 40's and 50's because they can be made more elegant and have more wiggle room for tweaking to suit your features as you age. OTT sweet is a very flash-in-the-pan style.
No. 553529
>>553454I think at some point if you've been in the fashion long enough you realize that it really doesn't matter what style of lolita you wear, you still look like a weird costumed freak to non-lolitas. And that lolita in general is not a flattering fashion. If you're going to wear bizarre, unflattering clothes you might as well wear the style you actually like.
The "graduation" concept also has always seemed very antithetical to lolita fashion, imo. Like how do you reconcile Kamikaze Girls' "I want to be buried in BtSSB" to these peoples' "if you're old you shouldn't wear sweet"?
No. 554156
>>554010I've started noticing that as well, even a bit near the end of the last thread and in the ita thread. The younger demographic has a completely different idea of lolita. It makes it a bit hard to relate sometimes.
>>554113It's a whole server of discord personalityfags. There's the guy that got kicked out of his comm and moved to Chicago who talks constantly about "building a portfolio of the most soberingly realistic shots of what wearing Lolita as daily wear actually looks like" (actual quote) and one girl that's always like "I'm a linguist" and another who types in that passive aggressive "hey, hi, um so actually" style that is obsessed with burberry. A lot of them end up making "I specialize in entries for this certain brand" a personality and then get mad when someone else enters an item for that brand because "I had a system! You've messed me up now!"
>>553043 posted RaineDragon but tbh, she's probably one of the least annoying members in the discord since most of what she posts is generally relevant to lolibrary or the history of the fashion instead of posting daily life updates.
No. 554176
>>554156What do you think the zoomer idea of lolita is?
Personalityfags is a good description of that discord. Most of them seem to have some strange college major they've made their entire identity. They shoehorn it into everything so they can LARP being an expert. It's all so insufferable.
IA rainedragon herself is one of the least offensive members.
No. 554471
>>554010>but this is particularly retardedHow so? This is definitely something that happens with all kinds of alt styles, so i wonder if this is what's at play here. Sticking with OTT sweet is not that bad compared to idk, Tumblrite SU fan fashion or mall goth. It's not even a jab like i think Rainedragon's really cool, her blog is amazing, calm down
>zoomerI'm likely older than you lel
No. 554862
>>554176The zoomer idea that once you hit 30 everything changes and you become an entirely different person, some of you really should try actually talking to older lolitas. Trends in this fashion don't really matter outside of tiktok, that's a very zoomer-minded thing to care about when the majority of lolitas exist outside of what is trendy.
>>554471Cool nonsense, my comment had nothing to do with rainedragon or their server kek.
No. 555124
>>555049I think when we were in our teens and early 20s, it was a common sentiment, but as our peer group got older, most of us realized that was nonsense. If anything, now that I'm in my 30s, I don't feel aged out of the fashion, but rather aged out of the local comm. I appreciate that the comm was open to teenagers when I was one myself, but I think it was a bit different because the oldest members at that time were only a few years older than me. Now when teens join the comm, there is a nearly 20 year age gap with many of the original members, so there isn't much to relate to them with as far as interests and discussion go, and I find it a bit annoying too that they'll join and ask "have you guys ever heard about the local art museum? We should have a meetup there!" as if we've not been periodically going there for over a decade.
No. 555225
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I’m so fucking tired of people trying to sell their 5 minutes crafts on lm
No. 555236
>>555049Most of the lolitas I've seen and known irl were in their mid twenties to mid 30s. The most iconic lolitas like FannyRosie and Misako are in their late 30s and early 40s now and are still wearing and still look great.
I've never associated lolita fashion with youth or teens. Hell, it's way too expensive a hobby for most teenagers anyway.
No. 555264
>>555236Same. Most lolitas I know currently are late 20s to mid 40s. When I started wearing lolita at 17, most of the wearers in the local come were mid 20s and older.
To me the sentiment of Lolita being a young person's fashion and that there is an age cap, is entirely an idea pushed by the younger generation. I feel like at least 20% of this group are larpers, period. The rest of them who try to wear the fashion live on titok and reddit, and see it as a trendy fashion like everthing else. They despise Japanese lolita brands, so they of course never keep up with any of the models or figures associated with the fashion. I doubt a majority of them have been to a comm meet (not that it's needed to wear and enjoy lolita), but you can tell that they never really interact with other wearers, they only take photos in their rooms/yards and keep to their online echo chambers.
No. 555428
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>>555328The denial of tulle is especially crazy because Jane Marple basically had a love affair with tulle in the 90's and early 2000's. Really hoping I find picrel (JM Odette OP, 2001) in black someday, I love all the textures.
No. 555821
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>>555328>>555428Imo the tulle hate in particular can be attributed to O. In all of the "old school guides" she made she heavily discourages from it (tulle lace especially) and has made remarks about it on several different occasions and we all know most old school zoomies look up to her. And since she's quite popular with normies who have never worn lolita in their lives (I even know some of those people irl) it adds to the misconceptions.
She's not solely to blame of course, there have been countless nu old schoolers that popped up after the pandemic and each and every one of them tried making those quote on quote guides despite wearing the fashion for like a year tops and accumulating their wardrobes in a very short period of time.
Not to infight bait but I think some of those people may have posted here. They have a way of speaking about old school as if it's this very niche subject that's ignored by everyone in the community.For all the talk about individuality and experimenting most old schoolers look like clones to me. But I'm not going to complain if it means they leave the more interesting, obscure pieces alone.
No. 555873
>>554954>instead of being an accurate representation of the diverse offerings available at the time, they largely focus on a specific image of oldschool, especially tartans and no border prints Every revival of a particular look will come out differently than the original since it's seen through the eyes of a different generation, but it's funny to see it happen in real time. I'm fine with magnifying some elements but i'm not sure everyone discrimnates between
their take on old school and what older lolita actually was like. I think the people who make those guides must be aware of it on some level but the very concept of a guide for a whole era is flawed. I wish the revival was more varied because there's so much more to it like
>>555428 's example is great
No. 556042
>>555821>For all the talk about individuality and experimenting most old schoolers look like clones to me.I was already wearing the fashion during the original "old school" period, and when the old school revival thing was first taking off I was really excited to see more wacky fruits-like coords. We went through a solid 20 years of lolitas slavishly following the rules of the fashion (especially in the west) so I was seriously looking forward to people being more creative with their lolita stuff.
I wanted to see a return of cutsew supremacy, coorded band merch, terrible shoes, ugly thrifted bullshit, properly punk looks, handmade pieces, etc. Instead they all seem to gravitate to making exact replicas of a tiny handful of 'acceptable' old school coords, with no variation at all.
But tbf to them, this is a problem in many lolita substyles, not just old school. Everyone just follows the lead of other random lolitas. If so-and-so wears peeking bloomers then everyone else will. Someone has a star underskirt, everyone buys one, and then when someone says those are tacky everyone gets rid of it. If so-and-so says idk 'crocs aren't lolita' or something, then it doesn't matter if every shop girl in Japan is wearing crocs this week and Baby is doing a croc collab - we all have to listen to the random internet person.
No. 556048
>>554954Yep. I remember that not wearing a petticoat under a skirt was a crime punishable by death from about 2005 onwards.
Zoomers are acting like very old fruits style lolita trends from the 90s and very early 2000s were still applicable to the internet lolita era that emerged in like 2005.
No. 556126
>>556070What backpacks? I don’t use toktok at all and I can only recommend it. I know I’m not missing out on anything.
>>556075Agree with this nona. The coord is fine and the jsk is very forgiving on the chest but it doesn’t mean it’s gonna look good. Nobody is critiquing the girl directly but it’s about the coord looking ill fitting. There are better pieces for her larger chest that are less loud in that particular region. Also the ott in bright colors is just going to add weight.
No. 556154
>>556042>I wanted to see a return of cutsew supremacy, coorded band merch, terrible shoes, ugly thrifted bullshit, properly punk looks, handmade pieces, etc. Instead they all seem to gravitate to making exact replicas of a tiny handful of 'acceptable' old school coords, with no variation at all. God, yes. Choppy short haircuts is another one i'd love to see but everyone is rocking the same flat hime cut
>>556081Yep
No. 556206
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Sorry but I love this.
I'm glad the sweet bodyline style prints are coming back.
No. 556265
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>>556206Happy cakes is cute too.
It sold out as expected and all the scalpers have it up on mercari.
No. 556326
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>>556265I absolutely love the OP version of this print, especially the white and pink colorways. They remind me of a dressier version of the long sleeved Toy Parade OP.
No. 556611
>>556326I'm not a sweet fag but this OP oh my it's so gorgeous! The price for ap is insane these days kek but I wanna say it's the best they have been doing recently! I'm looking forward for sweet Lolita coords with it.
>>556206>bodyline style printsWans't it burando that did it first though?
No. 556691
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Have you ever been disappointed by a purchase before?
No. 556749
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>>556691Definitely. I admit that I hopped into lolita fashion during the 2019 pandemic wave. I was new and had no idea of quality and had some questionable taste. One of my first purchases was from Devil Inspired. I bought the sunflower dress from Alice Girl. First, my delivery came late by a few weeks. It was a nightmare, reaching out to their customer service to figure out what was going on. Opening the package was an instant disappointment. The material was so cheap and the dress was ill-fitted. It looked like a costume. Then I later realized how much I overpaid for it on DI…
No. 556811
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What are your thoughts on berets in lolita? Personally I think it can be incredibly cute if coorded well, but I've seen people calling it inherently ita before too…
No. 556814
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>>556811how are berets ita? i've never heard anyone calling them ita.
i think they're cute for classic especially. to the other anon's point, i don't mind if they're plain when used in plainer, more casual coords like pic rel.
No. 556830
>>556691My last time buying straight from AatP was a poly chiffon skirt that cost me like €300 after shipping and customs and ended up looking like Taobao quality. I had a really hard time selling it too because skirts tend to be smaller so potential buyers kept messaging me asking if I was absolutely sure it couldn’t stretch to xx cm, then dipping when I confirmed that the listed max measurements are accurate. Most annoying item I’ve ever sold.
>>556811I love full-sized hats in lolita in general, including berets! I do lean heavily towards casual classic, though.
No. 556835
>>556777>keep your mental illness to yourselfNo need to be agressive anon. I said the dress just isn't for her. Is this you by chance kek
>>556811I don't mind it on other and it picrel it's cute especially with the ribbon. I personally don't wear it because they make me feel childish.
>>556817I would't mind Elizabeth in all black kek but honestly I wish to have a Moitie border print like Iron gate or one of the catherdral prints
No. 556836
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>>556691Buying a BTSSB princess blouse was how i found out i hate princess sleeves
and their poly blouses ("dot dobby" is the name of the fabric). A shame because their collars and lace are really cute
No. 556852
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>>556817MM Farutetto in emerald was my ultimate DD. When I got it I was actually shaking. It's absolutely stunning IRL and one of my favourite dresses to date. Currently I don't have another DD, my wishlist only has 14 items and they're mostly accessories.
No. 556896
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>>556817Rococo style OP with cape in pink (I even bought the matching bonnet for when I one day have it)
No. 557085
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>>556811How could berets possibly be ita? Literally every fucking lolita brand has released berets at this point. I even have one from Moitie.
Is that some kind of tiktok zoomer idea or something?
>>556817>pic relI got my ultra-DD a long time ago but I almost never wear it bc it's really too precious and rare to risk. My other two DDs were Milky Planet and Sugary Carnival in black + in good condition, and I got both during the MTOs.
No. 557242
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>>556817I feel like a basic bitch when I say it, but my absolute dream dress is Holy Angel in black x blue or black x silver, the long length specifically. I've been looking for it for years, it actually came up a month or two ago but the money had to go elsewhere in my budget at the time. It was sad and hard to let it pass me by, but I'm happy I was responsible. I figure I've waited this long, I can wait a few more years for it to come up again.
No. 557459
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what the fuck is going on with bodyline pricing
No. 557610
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>>556817AATP Pirate Alice OP. Very creative name which definitely doesn't make it unnecessarily harder to find kek. The fact that I will probably never have it hurts.
No. 557611
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>>556917Oh yes, liking old school is the real ice water soup meme. I have an addictive personality and monitoring sites for old school is my form of gambling. Not buying the AP floral dress that is currently on LM but I wonder how high the bids will go kek. Personally, this is my dream jsk
No. 557624
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>>556917>>557611So glad my taste in old school lies in minimalist designs because the competition for anything gobelin/floral is insane nowadays
>>556817Picrel is one of my my dream dresses. Yeah, it's basic Ik Ik
No. 557629
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>>557624I love that dress nonna, anything simplistic with a religious screenprint gets me. I'd love to find it in the black colorway one day. Picrel is another JetJ dress I'm always looking out for.
No. 557631
>>557626Thank you,
nonnie.
>>557629Oh I love that one! People in my comm used to make fun of it but it's been on my list for a while too. It's so simple but it's one of the more creative designs of JetJ's painting print era imo.
No. 557633
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>>556817It's not a dress but I would love to get my hands on Aatp's Thaddeus vest. I wear ouji as much as I wear lolita and love pieces that can work with both. I was so close to getting this vest a few months back but someone else snagged it from me on lacenarket…
No. 557665
>>557085>I almost never wear it bc it's really too precious and rare to riskPlenty of girlies out here wearing "rare" dresses, just don't be a messy retard and learn to wash your clothes
>>557611Cringe gambling addiction enjoy your debt
No. 557670
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>>557631Totally agree with you nonna, I like the construction of it a lot better than the style they did with the full painting skirt and then a motif from the painting on the bodice. It reminds me a lot of picrel and the prher classical painting corsets Vivienne Westwood did, I feel like that had to be part of the inspo. The skirt looks so airy too, I think it's such an elegant dress. I hope we both find it someday in our preferred sizes!
No. 557685
>>557665Washing clothes over and over fades them and wears them out. It's really apparently with plenty of stuff from 20 years ago, like OPs dress.
Lots of zoomerlitas here it seems. Don't recognize iconic old school because it's not one of the 3 OSer approved patterns, don't understand that stuff degrades and damages over time no matter how careful you are.
No. 557704
>>557689I get your worries but i hope you spot clean them. Had to bring a dress bought from CC to cleaners because it was so, so dirty and the description completely omitted all the dirt that wasn't visible. I presume the former owner is a japanese lolita who thinks a dress you can't throw in a washing machine
or clean by hand is to be never washed, ever. Professional cleaners exist for a reason! And no they won't necessarily ruin it, the good ones are honest about what they can achieve and how
No. 557710
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Compact toys
No. 557711
>>557702>too precious and rare to risk.Using the power of deduction and context, I assume the risk here is getting it dirty or having something else happen. Which is preventable if you wash your clothes and learn to repair them.
So my original point still is, you should wear dream dresses that you sought hard for and love if the only thing stopping you is small repairable damages. Good lord you lot are hopelessly cooked.
No. 557715
>>557702And to add, preserving clothes on the off chance they get sold is equally strange. "Don't wear your clothes in case you sell them, as a potential buyer don't want 20+ year old items looking worn!!!!!"
Lolita clothes are not public property, and suggesting someone wear it and clean it assuming they plan to keep a dream dress is pretty normal.
No. 557736
>>557726Of course nona!
>>557710>>557712The pansy print is beautiful however both dresses seem so shiny and thin. I used to have one op that was a collab with Kira Imai and it felt so cheap and costumy I had to get rid of it assp. Imo they can also drop the front bow.
No. 557737
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Speaking of DDs and JetJ’s painting dresses (or tapestry, whatever) I finally got my hands on this baby after obsessing over it for years and was pleasantly surprised by the fabric. I knew it was polyester and was expecting that flimsy poly that gets while pulls when you look at it the wrong way, but it’s actually a relatively thick sturdier weave that I guess is meant to imitate slub silk. Ngl it helps me to justify the cost to myself even though it’s such a simple construction with public domain art, since every other La Dame à la licorne print dress I’ve seen uses much cheaper fabric that looks prone to pulls.
No. 557780
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>>557726>>557736Okay nonnas, don't laugh! My entire lolita wardrobe is pretty much entirely black, white, and red, so a main piece so colorful is completely out of my wheelhouse. I have never worn anything this sweet before, but a lolita I know was selling this at an event. And after seeing it modeled on a dressform, something just took over me and I really wanted it. Total Kumya mind control.
She included the pink beret for free and while it's pretty basic, I felt like it would suit this more than my typical rectangle headdress. I really do not like how headbows look on me. Out of everything in the pic I already own the skirt, socks, wrist cuffs, and heart bag. I'm on the fence about the cutsew and may just use one of my plain white blouses, but I felt it was too plain and the little pink detailing may add something to this. The usakumya I'm aiming for is the mini rucksack version but I might try hunting down the pochette instead if you guys think it would look better. I heard it's kind of useless as far as carrying things goes though.
I wanted to include pops of pink and red while otherwise keeping it simple and letting the sax blue of the skirt stand on its own. I'm not sure about the brown kumya on the skirt, I have brown hair I guess kek. Don't be afraid to be harsh if you think this will look like shit.
No. 557792
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>>557780The shoe buckle is a little bear too which makes me happy, even though it's probably barely noticable when you're wearing it. I don't know if blue or red shoes would look better.
No. 557805
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>>557797>>557801I like this idea, I already have a white and red headdress too so it means less stuff for me to buy and use for probably just one coord. Thanks!
I found the stupid matching socks on LM and they tempt me but no… I like your ideas better.
No. 557812
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>>557801Seconding, red and white rectangle headdress to match your socks and shoes would be very cute! I know Baby also make torchon lace wrist cuffs with both the red and pink ribbon, if you go with the white and pink blouse I think one of those options might look cuter.
No. 557894
What's the point of owning your dream dress if you can't wear it? I don't understand this hoarder mindset. Lolita dresses aren't meant to last forever, that's why brands release new items frequently.
>>557874>"washing" underwear in plain waterI have no words
No. 557903
>>557874Color catchers and bleed testing a small unnoticable area before washing would have saved you, sorry that happened anon. Has nothing to do with japanese vs western fabrics though, its the dye process that can differ between brands/factories, what types of dye methods and dyes were used the year it was made, and different prints. Red and pink are notorious for bleeding. If the print flakes then it's probably a screen print, so washing inside out on a cold gentle cycle and then air drying will prevent this in the future unless it was already peeling.
And as another anon said, if you don't feel good testing it yourself take it to a reputable dry cleaner and ask if it's possible with what you have or ask your comm for local cleaners they might use. Again, sorry that happened.
No. 557947
>>557812Oh cute, I think I do wanna pick up a pair of these with the pink ribbon, it would give just an extra touch of detail and coordination. Thanks
nonnie! I appreciate the advice, everyone.
No. 558127
>>558042NTA. Come to think of it, rucksacks are always the item gen z girls notice and comment on the most. One zoomer even asked for the brand name so she could get one for herself, so sweet
>>556265Wow, i usually don't care for AP but this is insanely pretty and satisfying to look at
No. 558383
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I got jumpscared seeing this. People asked her what happend and she didn't really say?
No. 558442
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>>556817Anything from Mur Melche/Mel Shanticfur
because I know at this rate I'll only see them in my dreams>>558247Weren't they getting rid of their lolita stuff and rebranding as majorly cosplay a few years ago tho?
No. 558470
>>557778Omg take me with you
I got the purplish colourway. I love the OG red one too but it’s so much more saturated and busy than anything else I’ve ever worn so I’d have no idea how to coord it except to play it safe with black and maybe (off)white. The more muted purple blends in much better with my wardrobe.
>>558442I love their stuff but somehow completely forgot they existed! Their designs are everything I appreciate about IW and now Sheglit but better, honestly.
>Mel ShanticfurIs this autocorrect for Melche Shutilforc or am I missing something?
No. 558497
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>>558470Probably my bad, I get thrown off with the name changes.
No. 559510
>>559503I hate that statement so much. It's not entirely wrong, as Lolita is obviously very covered up and modest I guess but not everything has a political meaning. If some feel emporerd by wearing it then that's fine but so say that's the origin is a lie.
>>559355I don't watch any Influencers thank god kek
No. 559513
>>559503The people saying this practically always miss the point that it’s only rebellious in countries like Japan, where hyperconformity is the norm and women are expected to sacrifice all of their time and energy on the altars of work and family. In western countries where individuality and self-indulgence is the norm, lolita fashion is just an alternative flavour of the status quo.
>>559510One miiight be able to argue that it’s a feminist statement for women to wear something attention-grabbing that doesn’t show off our bodies, but most people insisting that lolita is feminist are libfems who think sexualising yourself is empowering, so they wouldn’t.
No. 559682
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New MMM release. I don't know how I feel about the lace on the dress.
No. 559692
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>>559682I kinda like it because it’s lilys but also looks spiky. They used it before on another dress and some headpieces.
No. 559693
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>>559682samefag but what annoys me most is the shoot with Rinrin because tfw is she wearing two different colored wigs? They hide her waist which makes the silouette so frumpy (also in other pictures with her).
No. 559720
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>>559718the boleros are not gonna sell kek they looks so half assed. The dress is the same they had for the winter pack last year (with different lace) so some pictures of people wearing it should be out.
No. 559770
>>559513This is a good one. It's not even really that rebellious in Japan anymore. Currently lolita is very modest and hyperfeminine- basically the ideal Japanese woman. It hasn't been "rebellious" in 30 years.
Westerners will really buy into anything if it has the Feminist(tm) label. It's become very cringe and passe.
No. 559773
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I saw a nonna mention buying pieces for specific coords vs building a wardrobe with basics earlier itt. Which did you guys do first? Personally after coming back to lolita, I’ve bought a few basics like different colored blouses and socks but am focusing on finding pieces to match the dresses I own right now. The only problem is I’m a major cheapskate and don’t want to spend any money kek. Broke lolita life is difficult and I’d be a lot more open to buying many lolita basics if I had more disposable income.
No. 559774
>>559513>most people insisting that lolita is feminist are libfems who think sexualising yourself is empoweringExactly.
>>559770Yes. Despite the weirdness it's actually in line with the mix of western exoticism and feminine youthfulness that's very much mainstream in japanese culture. Plus buying stuff and lifestyle is not political activism, nor is pretending every little choice you make is feminist
>>559692Gosh this lace is so pretty and i love the silhouette, might buy my first MmM main piece
No. 559782
>>559773You're not gonna get around spending money kek but I sometimes do buy pieces like a headdress or wrist cuffs that are for a specific dress. I also have a blouse that only really works with one jsk but I already have staple pieces to coord the rest. It's a mix of everything!
>>559776THIS! I'm so tired of this narrative. It's pretty and feminine and it makes me happy. It might have a feminist aftertaste, again because you're so covered up, but that's not the main point. Remember Momoko and Rococo!
No. 559785
>>559773I'm actually the nona that mentioned that! Personally, my mentality has always been wardrobe building versus going one coord at a time because I think it's more cost-effective and makes it easier to build a daily wardrobe that will last. It makes more sense in my mind to look at my closet/potential new buys as "this can be paired with X,Y, and Z, so my cost per wear is low even if the initial item price is high." Especially when I started out, I think this mentality was super helpful, and it's wild to see newbies now buying hyper-specific items from Taobao to create one coord instead of focusing on building a wardrobe full of versatile items. I guess it can be equally as affordable/worthwhile to do it that way nowadays though, provided you have the money to spend on high-quality items all at once!
I think part of this mentality for me is due to starting out in lolita when it was harder to get your hands on things, so your purchases really had to count.
No. 559787
>>559773I went the building through basics route. I've been very slowly collecting everything, but I've got lots of pieces I can wear interchangeably in ways that I enjoy. Putting coords together never feels boring as a result.
>>559783They're all over any alternative fashion. Most things that trend very feminine appeal to low effort FTMs because they get to enjoy femininity without feeling like they're conforming with expectations about what they're expected to like as women.
No. 559819
>>559811FTM as in female to male,
nonnie. You're talking about MTFs.
No. 559824
>>559786>Because they have internalized misogyny and see femininity as degradingNot to derail but being uncomfortable with femininity and its negative implications isn't an anti-woman sentiment. I get what you mean though, they think that being mildly uncomfortable with femininity means they must not be women because woman equals girly, which is retarded
>>559783Femininity meant
a lot to these women but for whatever reason like exposure to trans ideology, failure at being conventionally feminine they'll throw in the towel. Then they do things like shaving their head or FtM hairstyles (throwing in the towel) but still smear makeup on their face and slap a bunch of taobao pieces together. They think that they can't match their really high ideal femininity so they downgrade to gendie "subversive" fashion and other alt styles. That's also why they won't even try to look neat because they'd just be normal feminine-looking women if they wanted to make an effort. Not masculine enough to go "i don't care about this stuff", not committed enough to actually look good. I also think a section of these FtMs genuinely don't care about looking decent because they're autistic dorks who like pretty pink dresses which is somewhat cute and way less pathetic (to me) kek
No. 559860
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What's your dream piece (not an OP/JSK)? This VM blouse was sold for 3900 yen three years ago. If only i had a time machine…
No. 559889
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>>559860This BTSSB x Charmmy kitty bracelet
I've never seen it go up for sale…
No. 559924
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>>559824AYRT, I don't think you were derailing! Though I saged this because I might be kek. Thank you for adding nuance, you definitely worded it better than I did kek. Picrel is how I see you and all other lolita radfem nonnas.
No. 559928
>>559837This makes a lot of sense! I wear lolita at least twice a week, basically whenever I hang out with friends or have an occasion where I feel like it. I do kind of treat my EGL wardrobe as my "regular" wardrobe in the sense that I will style my blouses, cardigans, boleros and cutsews in non-lolita outfits.
I wear a lot of long skirts and vests as casual wear/to work, so I get a ton of use out of my blouses and outerwear! But I can totally see how it might make more sense to just build a few coords if you're only wearing lolita on occasion.
No. 559932
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>>5598602002 Moitie lace-up cutsew! I'm a cutsew fiend, especially ones with cool necklines. Moitie and h.NAOTO did a ton of great ones, I'd also love to find a few of the print ones Moitie did.
No. 559943
>>559824I recently logged in to IG after a five year hiatus and discovered that like a third of what’s left of my old comm trooned out, many with mastectomies and mustaches and everything. Bleak as hell. And I did notice that the women who medicalised themselves were all women who struggled with conventional lolita attractiveness standards due to body type or facial features. A few of the cute round-faced skinny women are calling themselves “boys” too but they look exactly the same as before (just with a pronoun pin), whereas the others got really unflattering haircuts or went overboard with facial piercings or awful drag makeup and stopped showering, even while still wearing sugary sweet lolita. It does feel like they’ve thrown in the towel as you say, like they’ve decided “if I can’t look cute in lolita then I’ll look ugly in lolita but since I’m
choosing to look ugly (and am no longer an icky girl) it’s transgressive and cool actually”. I can’t help but feel like these women would have benefited from quitting social media, or even quitting lolita and finding a less appearance-based hobby since it’s clearly doing a number on their mental health. Not that women who don’t fit a certain beauty standard shouldn’t wear lolita, but if not fitting that standard makes you so miserable that you start cutting bits off your body to cope, idk maybe take up gardening instead?
No. 559956
>>559924Kekk i didn't want to seem like a scold or anything, glad i got my point across, and ya they definitely have internalized misogyny and an NLOG complex going on. Your picrel is adorable btw! i love sylvanian families
>>559943>And I did notice that the women who medicalised themselves were all women who struggled with conventional lolita attractiveness standards due to body type or facial features.This is so sad. Mutilating your body because you're not model-tier pretty is genuinely tragic. The fact that the girls who have less self-esteem issues don't go as far is totally expected
>whereas the others got really unflattering haircuts or went overboard with facial piercings or awful drag makeup and stopped showering>I’ll look ugly in lolita but since I’m choosing to look ugly (and am no longer an icky girl) it’s transgressive and cool actuallyThis is exactly what i had in mind. It's always drag makeup and purposefully bad styling. Just like Jill kek
>idk maybe take up gardening instead?Exactly! Taking a break from lolita, IG and being bombarded with aesthetics and BDD
triggers would do wonders for them. But it takes a lot of effort and self-reflection to grow out of this angst, I suspect they must have other MH issues that contribute. Like, so many normie women also struggle with their body image but they don't go as far as getting titchopped
No. 560016
>>559943> It does feel like they’ve thrown in the towel as you say, like they’ve decided “if I can’t look cute in lolita then I’ll look ugly in lolita but since I’m choosing to look ugly (and am no longer an icky girl) it’s transgressive and cool actually”.I've seen a lot of lolitas online equate lolita to drag in this way. It makes me sad because I just fundamentally don't believe there is a "wrong" way to be a woman, and this is what those people treat lolita as. My subculture isn't some "wrong" way to be a woman, or a mockery of women like drag.
>I can’t help but feel like these women would have benefited from quitting social media, or even quitting lolita and finding a less appearance-based hobby since it’s clearly doing a number on their mental health.I also feel like this. When everyone around you is navel gazing over their appearance and gender you can be easily influenced by it. Let's be real, a lot of lolitas (not all, but a lot) aren't very well rounded. Many of them are addicted to shopping or social media and this aesthetics based subculture is their only hobby. If your whole comm is full of people who are deeply insecure about their appearance and compensating with things like shopping addiction, eating disorders or gender shit it's easy to internalise it and fall into that hole yourself. Appearance based hobbies aren't inherently bad but they can't be your only hobby. Nor can stuff like fandoms that revolve around overanalysing a piece of media and projecting your own traits and insecurities onto characters. Like you said gardening which is hands on and creating something, or even joining a band or sport which would encourage teamwork over individualism. Stuff that gets you out of your own head instead of ruminating on your insecurities is good for you. I'm very grateful that my own comm is full of all different kinds of women with different hobbies and careers. It's not at all terfy just no one has time for insecure pricks who project their internalised misogyny onto us. If you come into our comm and try that shit you will get shut down so fast it's funny.
No. 560297
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Doll anon from the last thread popping in to update: I finally bought my Obitsu girl and she's coming in the mail! I ended up buying the Parabox 1/6 custom basic set, so she comes with a pre-painted face and eye chips already installed/head attached and ready to go.
Just put a hold on two doll clothing pattern books at the library, I have a ton of pattern paper so I figured I can just trace the pieces I like and make adjustments as needed. The one I'm really excited about is "The Collector's Book of Dolls' Clothes," it has styles from 1700-1929 so it should be really easy to alter those patterns for lolita!
No. 560318
>>560304I've never been judged for it, but I'm sorry you are nonna! My best friend and I have actually talked about getting the Monster High coffee shop set for our dolls to share kek, I have very sweet friends that share my interests.
This Obitsu girl will be my first custom/non-factory doll that I'm making clothes for; the rest of my collection is made up of fairly normie dolls (I mentioned this last thread but I stupidly sold my Pullips and it's haunting me) so that could be why? I do also have a few clown dolls that creep people out though. I've been told the dolls themselves are creepy, but I've never been accused of being creepy for liking them.
No. 560333
>>560297Congrats
nonny she will be so happy in her new home! ♥
No. 560397
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>>560371I only now realized this pic is misleading kek, this isn't actually the doll I bought! Just a cute one I saw online so I wasnt just posting a blog with no pic. My doll is actually coming bald and with no clothes, I also bought her a wig and I'm working on sewing her a slip and some bloomers (I'd feel super weird having a naked doll sitting around while I finish her dress).
Picrel is close to what I got, she's a Parabox 24 cm Obitsu with the Grace face style (the one in white), and I got her a long dark brown curly wig with bangs. I also requested grey-green realistic eye chips! Thank you for all the interest and support nonnas, I love this forum.
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>>560304I lean into it and make fun of it. "just bought another creepy doll" "you can stay at my place, but don't be too alarmed if the dolls move around at night. they won't hurt you"
No. 560422
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>>556817Any of these kind of skirts by excentrique in black, long version in large size
No. 560425
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>>556817A whole bunch of dresses from Mary Magdalene which are now too expensive to get secondhand. I really wish I had gotten into the fashion sooner. If anyone knows (good) brands that make dresses similar to MM, please let me know.
No. 560568
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(Spoilered partial blogposting)
I wanna make a magical girl manga. It's set around 2010 and the girls' magical girl outfits are OTT lolita dresses. I'm currently working on concept art of the characters. Since I'm new to that culture, I need to inform myself. So far, I've used this masterpost to learn, it even has brands and sewing patterns:
https://mahouqueen.wordpress.com/2021/04/11/lolita-resource-master-list/However I still have questions and it'd be so sweet if nonas could answer them.
>can lolitas wear mouches?>do heels need to have a certain height for the sake of elegance?>are there seasonal variants? (I'm a goth and with our styles for example, we don't really have seasonal variants so we usually die in the summer heat lol)>would veils that go over the face take away from the cuteness aspect?>where do you draw the line between ero and gothic lolita?>what's the difference between wa and hanbok?>(sorry if this is a stupid question) do gatherings require you to have special aristocrat-like manners?>are there music genres associated with lolita? >are there any lolita trends that aren't bad per se, but got so overrated/overused that they became hated? >is DIY encouraged or considered a last resort?>what about perfumes, is pairing scents to your coords usually talked about?>i know those aren't really lolita, but what's the difference between kodona and ouji?And since I mentionned being goth: our community looks down on elitists nowadays (something I personally disagree with to an extent, I think some standards are necessary) and a huge thing is getting second-hand clothes, especially for trad goths. With lolita culture however, I feel like it's the opposite. It looks like "elitism" is encouraged and the more a coord is professional and from a renowned brand, the better. Is this true? If so, then it suits the sophistication of it all, I find that aspect pretty impressive.
No. 560590
>>560568Not an expert but as a lolita I'll weight in
1.By mouches do you mean fake beauty marks? I don't see why not. They probably would fit better with classic or old school lolita better though.
2.I like heels with lolita outfits as they give a more elegant and slimmer silhouette. I don't think the height matters as much as the style. Obviously it's best to avoid demonias and other e-girl type shoes. Rocking horse shoes can be like 5-6 inches sometimes and they go well with most classic and gothic lolita outfits. I used to see a lot of girls wearing satin heels of about 4-5 inches in old JeJ photoshoots. It definitely made the overall outfits look more ladylike and mature.
3. For summer, just wear light shortsleeve blouses and try to wear cotton skirts. Synthetic or full JSKs can get a bit hot. Socks are obviously cooler than tights, and parasols keep the sun at bay.
4. Ero is just more frilly, more revealing and has more fetish elements to it.
5.Veils add a princessy look, I think they go well with every type of lolita except maybe sweet.
6.Wa is obviously more Japanese style and the sleeves tend to be big and long like that of Yukata or Kimono. Hanboks have smaller sleeves and a more slimeline top pieces but a much bigger and poofier skirt.
7.Not really. I think there are always some more self conscious or stuck up types who think you have to take yourself very seriously while wearing lolita and act like royalty. But as long as you dont eat or act like a messy pig and spill food all over your clothing, nobody is gonna care about you having fun or giggling or being 'unladylike' in some ways.
8. By type, maybe. Gothic lolita would be associated with visual kei and j-rock, bands like Malice Mizer. Sweet would be associated with j-pop and Japanese hyperpop. Classical with classical music etc etc. But I don't think anyone really cares about what you listen to tbh. It helps to know a bit about the Japanese music scene of the late 90s and early 2000s though.
9.Honestly? Probably ero and wa, because weebs used to try to emulate those styles without any knowledge or quality selection, and so it used to look really messy and a lot of people got permanently turned off by those styles.
10. Nobody has a problem with handmade as long as it's well-made and theme fitting.
11. Pairing an appropriate scent with the right outfit is important even outside of lolita fashion imo. For instace, it would be a little weird if a girl dressed in an all pink sweet theme was wearing a very dark, heavy and gothic scent. But it would also be kind of cool I guess, since who really cares? Wear what smells good to you.
10.Ouji means prince and so it's supposed to look more fussy and rich like a Victorian or Edwardian dandy. Kodona means 'adult child' more or less and so is supposed to be more playful and boyish, kind of like what around teen-aged European anime boys would wear I guess.
No. 560598
>>560568This is such a cute concept, how exciting! I might be wrong but i'll try answering still
>are there seasonal variants? Yeah, velveteen/gobelin, fur details, coats and boots are big in the winter. Many lolitas will wear fruit-themed coords in the summer, things like gingham and details that reference spring (flowers etc.). It's not compulsory, ie. a lolita who wears simple coords and likes to be consistent would simply switch to lighter fabrics. Other lolitas also die in the summer kek
>would veils that go over the face take away from the cuteness aspect?Yes but imo making the veil small or pale and frilly would help to maintain a cute vibe.
>where do you draw the line between ero and gothic lolita?It's not always obvious but the most telling cue is length of skirt/dress and exposed shoulders, slightly uncovered cleavage. Combining details like apparent garters, corsets, lace tights
and unusual fabrics like vinyl/latex is very ero
>are there music genres associated with lolita?Visual kei mainly, but it's not as central to the fashion as trad goth for example
>can lolitas wear mouches?I haven't seen those but i think they wouldn't clash with an aristocrat or classic coord, anything that looks historical.
>do heels need to have a certain height for the sake of elegance?Not exactly. Gothic lolitas tend to favor higher heels and classic lolitas like more modest heels, but they wear flats too. Heels do add a lot of elegance but there's no requirement. Actually a modest heel might be more elegant than fuck-off huge heels
>i know those aren't really lolita, but what's the difference between kodona and ouji?There's no marked difference, kodona refers to cuter coords with short shorts, stuff that looks more like what a schoolboy would wear. Honestly using only ouji is less confusing
>is DIY encouraged or considered a last resort?DIY is contentious because many lolitas have high standards for DIY while others love crafting things even if they're not experienced seamstresses. Idk if you plan to make a character who does DIY but if she's a skilled seamstress that would be super cute!
Generally speaking, I feel like you can be more lenient with 2D designs because they'll always look better than IRL, the fact that it's fictional makes it look less "costumey" and more like something a magical girl would casually wear
No. 560724
>>559773I started out with the prevailing advice at the time which was to build up a capsule wardrobe of basics that would match anything. Spent a fuck-ton of time ad money doing that, only to discover that most of my stuff didn't work well together irl and that making GOOD coords actually requires really specific stuff most of the time.
So I pretty much scrapped the whole plan for my wardrobe, kept the stuff that worked, and started building up individual coords.
No. 560729
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>>560611Maybe it's a cultural difference, but I wouldn't consider that as feminist. Men don't like a lot of shit. In general, they don't like obese women either (with a some exceptions)… that doesn't make obesity feminist. Wearing frilly dresses ultimately doesn't do much to address women's issues. It doesn't prevent domestic violence and sexual assaults, it doesn't promote equal levels of research into women's healthcare vs men's, it doesn't get protections for women enshrined into law. It's just clothes.
>>560568Since you're specifically looking around 2010, I'll give some insight based of my own recollection of then. Might be different in other comms at the time since things weren't as interconnected then apart from tumblr. I remember for music, a lot of lolitas at that time watched the Kirsten Dunst Marie Antoinette film (in addition to Kamikaze Girls of course) and listened to the soundtrack from that. Kyary Pamyu Pamyu was also quite popular with sweet lolitas. Emilie Autumn was a bit popular as well, but also controversial. A lot of lolitas found her because she had a song called "Gothic Lolita" and did Victorian/Steampunk inspired outfits (there was a lot of overlap with Steampunk at that time), but she wasn't ever lolita and her song isn't about the fashion either - nevertheless, many lolitas did listen to her then, but probably just as many hated her. Of course, visual kei and anime ost songs were quite popular. Classical ballet music was popular as well, during that time it was more common for people to try and live a lolita-inspired life instead of simply wearing the clothes, so there was more focus on enjoying ballet and violin concertos or at least pretending you did around comm members. As for trends, I might be off with my timeline as far as what was 2010 specific, but flower crowns and peignoirs were very popular around that era too, and while I wouldn't consider them hated today, they did fall out of fashion. Bambi/fawn prints too were much more popular around that time, and I don't think anyone would exactly view them as outdated trends today, but I just remember them being everywhere around that time. Additionally, I feel for the most part, DIY has always been encouraged (however, we do expect it to look good and not like something from "regretsy" - accessories are easier than full dresses, but there are some talented seamstresses in the community). Back then DIY was a lot more common too out of necessity. It was harder to access brand then than it is now (and if you were younger and didn't have a credit card, a lot of parents at that time were scared of using credit cards online, so you didn't really have a choice outside of DIY). Picrel is an example of DIY shoes from around that era.
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>>560568the other nonas answered everything so well already but I wanted to add:
4. Veils: Personally I find them rather ugly. Imo they don't contribute in a positive way to the Lolita siloutte.
5. Ero vs Gothic. Please don't take your picture as law. Ero Lolita looks very different from Gothic coords, as it sometimes is just bloomers and a corset plus blouse.
6. Wa and hanbok. The Wa Lolita style derives from Kimono so it has nothing to do with a Hanbok which is Korean. If you look at Hanbok inspired Lolita, you will see the difference because the cut of the collar and chest is much different. Almost empire waist like.
10. Ouji is only used for this style in Japanese, they never use Kodona as a term.
No. 561041
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>>560568Wa Lolita inspired by Kimono
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>>560568Qi Lolita inspired by Qipao
No. 561103
>>561098You are obsessed
>>560724Also one of the issues at that time was the obsession with matching the colors of your coord on a flatalay or a collage instead of focusing on buying clothes that actually fits. No wearing all matching pinks won't make you look neat if the clothes are too tight and the cut unflattering on your body.
Also let's be honest waist line right under fat breasts look like shit always.
No. 561126
>>561038i think it's got feminist roots but it's not nearly enough to qualify for some of the rants about 'bucking the patriarchy' that i've heard from American whippersnappers. like it definitely bucks societal norms but is that really 'the patriarchy' or just what the majority of the population finds convenient and semi-palatable, you know?
if anything the most subversive part of it is where women are choosing to direct their money. instead of saving up for house and family like they were expected to, the original lolitas went 'fuck it, might as well indulge myself' and there's something both empowering and nihilistic about that sentiment. something zen about refusing to participate in the relationship and wealth-building rat race, maybe? but it's not exactly a well-directed marching-in-the-streets kind of call to action. it's just kind of a personal denial of other people's standards for how women should look or what they should aspire to. most people who get into lolita already have some experience in that department by being NLOG weebs or similar, though.
but the women who think they're doing something radical by wearing a frilly dress bc 'men can't sexualize me like this' underestimate the number of degenerate men in the world. yes they 100% will, you're not stopping them, if anything some of them will be encouraged because they read hentai manga about raping pure aristocratic maidens or some shit.
No. 561152
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I am struggling so bad to find a brown pair of shoes that work with my clothing. I initially liked the idea of a brown (also navy) pair of the bunny heeled shoes from cotton candy feet (fantasy), but after reading peoples opinions and reviews, I determined they are too expensive to risk for a poor and/or uncomfortable fit and I'll be stuck with them.
I am thinking now to go with something I can wear with any style, maybe a closed-toe lace up espadrille-like wedge? spent hours looking online and nothing jumps out to me, plus theres 80% trash quality chinese brands filling up the webpage I have to sift through.
Anyone have recommendations for a brand or a company to look at? Sifting through shopping pages is getting me nowhere, I need to start looking at shopfronts directly. I am in the US so importing is a shitshow right now, and I like to size up in shoes to put inserts in them so a 9 us/6.5 uk and on the limited upper-end of asian brands anyway (41 cn, 25 jp)
pic unrelated
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>>561152I'm not sure if you're looking for shoes that fit for sweet Lolita or that are a little more versatile but have you checked out American Dutchess? Generally you can't go wrong with Mary Janes shoes for almost every Lolita style but I also like Oxford Style shoes.
No. 561185
>>561126women going about living their lives spending all their disposable income on themselves and not giving a shit what men think even when men are aggressive towards them in public is feminist actually. so many women on this site are paranoid shutins who are so terrified of being judged they never do anything they think others might not accept them for and are so detached from the outside world and inhibited that they might as well have been born chained to the stove in saudi arabia.
>but the women who think they're doing something radical by wearing a frilly dress bc 'men can't sexualize me like this' underestimate the number of degenerate men in the world. yes they 100% will, you're not stopping themi dont see this what this has to do with anything since there's no item of clothing that men do not sexualize. moot whataboutism point.
No. 561207
>>561126No, you're just overthinking it to make it conform to your own set of feminist standards. It's fucking clothing, sis. Drop this "it's a statement!!!!" western bs already.
>>561183They might be but the fashion isn't made for women with huge boobs so that anon is just pointing out the obvious.
>>561203>>561204this.
No. 561252
>>561213So real.
>>561185NTAYRT but feminism is a political movement. The things you buy, the lifestyle you have are not political in and of themselves, they're informed by politics, sure, but nothing is meaningfully changed or transformed by buying poly dresses and shipping them from Japan. It means fuck all to women as a class.
And, spending all of your disposable income is the norm for women.
No. 561287
>>561262America is a very consumer country. it's very convenient for multimillion dollar companies to brainwash women into thinking buying lots of stuff isn't just spending money, but is actually part of your identity and serves a higher purpose. That's where all this stuff comes from, it's all just marketing and billions of dollars has been spent to this end. And marketers are women too, perhaps even a majority of marketing is now done by women and they are ruthless.
At least in Asia they're honest about their consooming and don't try to make it into some brave quest for self expression
No. 561338
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>>556817I just remembered this one. Absolute pipe dream
No. 561433
>>561284>she didnt bring up menYou literally said 'eyeliner sharp enough to kill a man' as an example.
So yeah only person bringing up men here is you. The rest of us dont give a fuck what men think of our co-ords lol.
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>>561431>>561433Spend less money on burando and more money on adult literacy classes.
No. 561537
>>561433Me? I'm a different anon. I know she technically brought up men but it's a quote, this is what the consumerist libfems would always say. Like
>time consuming hyperfemininity demanded from womenDoes not imply a man demands it, actually it's mostly women (for the sake of men, but it is women who teach others this stuff).
>The rest of us dont give a fuck what men think of our co-ords lol.I don't care either, but who cares what the "rest of you" think? What kind of schoolgirl cliquey phrase is this? You're focusing on a detail and missing the larger "don't try to sell hyperfeminine uncomfortable fashion as rebellious" point, that's all
>>561475Kek
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>>560590>>560598>>560652>>560729>>561040>>561041>>561042(I'm the AYRT) BIG thanks to everybody who took the time to write me a reply. This helped a lot, not just with what confused me but it also gave me an idea of how you do things when you have the style (wardrobe changes, the take on DIY etc).
>>560729 gave me a good insight into the trends around 2010 as well. About mistaking wa, qi and hanbok, my bad! I'll also make sure not to take pictures like my previous picrel as gospel.
TLDR; this is all gonna help my project a lot, thank you!
If I become a successful mangaka somehow, I won't mention the site to preserve the niche but I'll put a little cerbmin plush or 2X doll in a panel as an easter egg No. 561541
>>561207ayrt, I think it is a statement, it's just not the feminist proclamation that the younger generation wants it to be. More like muttering to yourself 'I don't give a fuck what they think, I like it' before getting dressed than 'STICK IT TO THE MAN, YEE HAW'. The reason why I say it's got roots in feminism is because I really do think it meant something different to the lolitas in Japan back 30+ years ago, which has not necessarily held its value as people got more used to it, or translated to the same message internationally. It's like how wearing work boots in punk culture used to 'mean something' because people were quite literally wearing the clothes from their factory jobs, now Made In China Doc Martens are standard uniform for any 14-year-old alt kid with a Tiktok account. Like even if you want to say 'at least I'm supporting female designers with my pocketbook' - that's one way of looking at it where the 'political' argument could be juiced up a bit, but imo we should also remember a lot of these brands are still owned by men even if they employ women and cater to 'feminine' aesthetics.
I guess I do want to acknowledge 'it was considered deeply weird and unpopular at one point for women in Japan to indulge their hobbies to the detriment of their marriage potential' but that's 100% not the circumstances nowadays. I don't want to totally shut down the girls I see waxing poetic about it irl because I think I can understand where the waters got muddied, but I can't help but roll my eyes when I see them 'educating' others on frilly dress feminism. Their version of feminism mostly seems to consist of 'drawing attention but in a non-sexualized way' which is like…you could do that just by learning to play the tuba really well or something, that doesn't correlate to anything politically impactful tbh.
No. 561578
>>561560>it's feminist because this one specific hyper religious group doesn't like itthey also don't like men wearing silk or sheer fabrics. could wearing silk then be considered an act of political protest because it is literally illegal in those countries? yes, but if you tried 'wearing a silk shirt' as an act of protest anywhere else then people would be baffled because it lacks significance outside of the context of those countries. considering something haram doesn't make it inherently politically charged everywhere you go.
alternatively, if there was a Muslim lonelita who collected/wore the fashion in those countries, merely in private, would you consider that person 'a feminist'? it's not like someone becomes any less of a lolita because they don't participate in their local comm. if the politicization of the hobby relies on the reactions of others in order to 'make a statement' then it seems to me like the hobby itself is not inherently political, it has to have some kind of concrete 'message' that we all agree on and we don't.
also even in the states depending on who you ask you will get totally different explanations for why people wear it. 'feminism' actually seems to be more rare of an explanation than 'i just like really girly shit' or 'anime did this to me'. some conservative lolitas just see it as a further extension of tradwife-ism. there's not a strong consensus on what it's 'supposed' to be about beyond the material items/coords themselves. maybe the closest thing we have to a popular political text/'lolita manifesto' is kamikaze girls but even there, whether you read momoko as a trustworthy girl's girl or a self-centered little psycho is up to the audience's personal preference.
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Love this design but i wish it was anything but tartan. It's just my taste but i feel tartan shines when it's less bright, has bigger squares and/or is in simple, pared-down pieces. This is loud as hell and i'm sick of the chokehold red tartan has on indie old school brands
No. 561611
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>>561605nobody is saying that? it's just that it doesn't have a political message because we literally don't have a consensus about what lolita 'means' in the same way the punk movement once did. i'd say the same thing about tiktok alt girls or mallgoths. 'sticking it to the establishment' through appearance means nothing if it's not followed up in thought or deed.
No. 561615
>>561600>it might not be much longer that lolitas can walk around safely in publicidk where you live but i definitely don't see that being in the near or long-term future in N. America at least. liberals are on the side of 'dress however you like!~' and conservatives would just be pleased to see what they perceive as a 1950's silhouette bc they all want to go back to that time anyways. this kind of fear-mongering is sort of atypical, are you okay nona?
>>561601the bar is below the floor if that's where you consider feminism to start. maybe 60 years ago this take would have been
valid but we live in 2025. i genuinely can't tell if you're baiting or not with all the 'muzzies' and 'shithole west' talk at this point.
No. 561630
>>561601Your statement does not even remotely address what i said. Lolita does not help women, ergo it's not feminist. You can slap the feminist label on any little thing you're grateful for but it doesn't mean it's really feminist because it's about politics, not fuzzy feelings.
>>561605The fact that thirdie moids harrass women like crazy still doesn't make lolita feminist. They have a problem with women as a whole, not poofy dresses. You sound schizo
>>561615This is just incoherent tumblr babble kek, don't bother looking for a historical logic. It's something people say to feel like they're doing something by buying B instead of A.
No. 561640
>>561615>conservatives would just be pleased to see lolita fashionNta but topkek I am actually sharing this thread with schizophrenics who have no grasp on reality whatsoever. Imagine thinking a groyper wants to see you in OTT sweet. Do you even hear how fucking ridiculous you sound
>>561630>Lolita does not help women, ergo it's not feministNta it helps me as a woman and it helps me embrace interests completely removed from the very idea of men and interactions with the other gender, if lolita doesn't make you feel good as a woman then get out of the fashion. How is it liberal to remove your lifestyle from the idea of men entirely? You people are obsessed with your narrow political views and just want to throw buzzwords at each other at each other in your isolation tank where you circlejerk about your manic paranoid theories 24/7 so much so that you literally can't see straight and can't see things for what they are. And because your worldviews are all fabricated in the imgboard factory they come out looking exactly the same so if god forbid you are confronted with ideas that aren't a copypaste replica of yours but are actually developed through touching grass you go LE TUMBLER!!!!111 and get very mad. It's unbecoming
No. 561646
>>561640>Nta it helps me as a woman>womenWomen and individual woman are two different things. This is the crux of this point, what feels personally good to you doesn't translate to the good of women as a sex
>your manic paranoid theories 24/7 It's not paranoid, not a single serious person involved in politics believes that politics or femininsm is related to what you wear. This individualism really took picked up speed online, you don't know what you're talking about. It's not narrow, my understanding of feminism (any activist/political movement really) is very much mainstream. The competing idea that your personal little choices are political action is also mainstream these days and that's why you can't imagine anyone would disagree
>How is it liberal to remove your lifestyle from the idea of men entirely?It's "liberal" to believe your personal lifestyle has any impact beyond your life. Obviously it's good to remove your fashion sense from what others want for you, no one is arguing against that. No one is attacking your choices or the fact you enjoy lolita, we're on the lolita thread, we all love EGL ffs. Stop being defensive and you'd get what me and the other anons want to say
>Imagine thinking a groyper wants to see you in OTT sweet. Kek i've seen groypers and rw men drool over lolitas, weird horndogs love alt women. It doesn't matter ultimately but you're quite naive
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Royal Princess Alice has a new release, Tulip Cat. How do we feel about it? I think the design is pretty cut as I love cat prints but I've steered away from the brand after their AI fiasco. Was that just a one-time thing? Do they still use AI for their designs?
No. 561671
Seems like people in this thread just have different definitions of feminism.
Some people think feminism means what they want it to mean and other people think it has a more strict definition.
Many such cases. I think the whole discussion is stupid and I want to see more dresses
>>561670I think they stopped using AI
No. 561673
>>561646>i've seen groypers and rw men drool over lolitas, weird horndogs love alt womenWith takes like this you have no right to accuse me of being naive or constructing arguments that are too individual. Everyone has personal preferences but the general tendency of the rw movement aesthetic propaganda (which they have really mastered in the 2020s) is to present the cottagecore tradwife or the hooters/cheerleader Sydney Sweeney type of woman as the ideal woman. It is extremely sexual and all over their messaging. You can no longer equate modesty with the right either.
>This is the crux of this point, what feels personally good to you doesn't translate to the good of women as a sexYou are oversimplifying my argument because you do not want to listen to me. The fact that it personally feels good to me and that I mentioned it because it is related to the subject at hand doesn't mean that there isn't an overarching pattern of isolating yourself from the other gender and removing the other gender from your worldview in lolita, which is good for women as a sex.
>It's "liberal" to believe your personal lifestyle has any impact beyond your life. Notwithstanding fact that "lifestyle" and "life" share the same etymology and must impact one another in some way, partaking in activities that totally decenter men as a woman is absolutely political in a world where women are politically subjected to revolving the entirety of their values and actions around the male gaze, taught to integrate men into all of their choices and their own vision of themselves. It's like saying the 4B movement is apolitical, retard.
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>>561676It's all bullshit, no1 curr
No. 561685
>>561673>It's like saying the 4B movement is apolitical, retard.Well guess what, 4B isn't as political as its proponents want it to be, even if it's a good thing and could become a true mass movement. It only appeared in Korea after a whole generation of people stopped marrying en masse, so you can't even credit 4B for that. I suggest we stop here because you seem dead set on believing lifestyle subcultures are meaningful politically, and im dead set on believing they're not. Plus we're derailing atp
>>561676>They are probably altleft feminists who think everything is apolitical unless we have the glorious revolution Nope, not even close. Feminism doesn't have a revolutionary wing but it's still very much political (even outside of the left). You're flanderizing a very simple point, this isn't about "left good"
>going to a protest with 10 other local feminists >le tumblr libtards who think decentering men is good for women as a sex!Middle aged TERFs did their little protests and look now, they won in England. Meanwhile "decentering" men might be great but every other woman who says that is hiding a BF kek. It's just discourse. Lolita clothing is just clothing.
No. 561688
>>561685 >Middle aged TERFs did their little protests and look now, they won in England.Because you live in a country wherein the political system allows it, and people's political protests have weight, leading to democratic decisions. You accuse me of being a liberal, but this is liberalism at its core. I was born and lived most of my life in a country where if you want to protest for what you stand for you get beat up, possibly raped and jailed. And you have the nerve tell me it is apolitical to live your life on your terms that negate the system. Fuck you.
Nothing is political enough for you retards. If you really wanted to do something of political value you would self-immolate in the street to stick to the troons like that guy did for Palestine.
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They look so chubby and cute! I definitely want one!
No. 561715
>>561688I've also lived in a country like this, i don't see how it invalidates the point originally made. Btw you overestimate how easy it is to protest in the West, they definitely get killed and mass arrested. I genuinely don't want to upset you so consider that political =/= more meaningful, it's just a concept and wearing frilly dresses doesn't fall under it
>If you really wanted to do something of political value you would self-immolate in the streetThis is crazy. This is the last post about this because we're boring the hell out of others at this point
>>561693It does, but it's often accompanied by discussions of celibacy, hence why i took that example. But i agree that you can have a BF and not gaf about what they think of your hobbies, that's obviously true
>>561692We should rank lolita mascots
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>>561715>Lolita mascotsI would like to also add 'rank mascot bags' to this suggestion.
Mostly because I want other people to look at this Abomination. I don't even have a coord to suit her but I am obsessed with her wall-eyed state.
No. 561762
>>561731I’m also glad to know it wasn’t just me! I’ve been inactive on LM for a long time until yesterday so the timing feels weird, though that might just be a coincidence.
>>561742Of course I didn’t click on it. I was just wondering if anyone else got the same thing because I’ve never gotten anything like this through Circlly before.
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>>561757Kekk she's adorable, i love creepy-cute mascots
>I would like to also add 'rank mascot bags' to this suggestion.Yes! I'm obsessed with this fetus bag from h.Naoto GRAMM. I don't know if it's exactly a mascot but it's wonderful