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No. 585962
Since /cgl/ has been invaded by scrotes and trannies, let's discuss general things about EGL & EGA fashion here, from new releases to your dream dress. Share makeup looks and diy's, or your favorite coords. Talk about the comm you are in and your Lolita friendships. Ex Lolitas and newbies are welcomed too.
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>love the valee lys atepie collab dresses
>at my lowest weight my bust size was 95 cm and wouldn't decrease further
I get it, not everything will be made for me, but of all the things not to do in L size when atepie does all their ugliest things in L size instead.
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>>586032Also I'm mad pissed I missed the last Profusion of Flowers JSK on Meta's site. I wanted both it and Phantom Wolf but thought Phantom Wolf would sell first and bought only it intending to pick up Profusion next month and the damn thing was gone by then.
No. 586041
>>586034Okey sorry?
>>586033Damn I’m sorry nona. Recently I missed out on so many things too because I told myself to sleep over it and bam it’s all gone the next day.
No. 586051
>>586021I believe that mindset is more prevalent among heavy social media users, partly because social media puts a huge emphasis on moral superiority and adhering to approved actions lest one becomes "canceled." It's a bit preposterous to advocate for "eating the rich" on instagram and twitter when one is routinely spending upwards of $50 to even $300+ on dresses, but if it is done in the name of activism, then of course it becomes perceived as a morally acceptable expenditure and not frivolity. I find those who are not so connected do not care as much about their buying habits being viewed as progressive or not.
>>586040I'm assuming you mean aside from basics such as a main piece or a petticoat? There will likely be variations depending on substyle, but I find a suitable bag quite necessary.
No. 586074
>>586064Imo it depends if you live in a humid climate. Pleather flakes and peels super easily in humid climates. If you live in a colder, drier place your bag's less likely to crack or peel.
Brand bags are pretty expensive for what they are, though, and there's plenty of alternatives these days if you just want a simple cute bag.
>>586041Thanks, nona. I'm sorry another anon is suffering in the same way I am. What's worse is I was in Japan this autumn and saw it on the rack but didn't have time to try it on and was unsure how those wa dresses would look on me. Phantom Wolf came in and looked great so I was extra retarded not to get it then.
Anyways you anons see one for sale please think of me and reply to this post or something
No. 586096
>>586040a decent petticoat; a good quality cotton blouse; a neutral color pair of comfortable, versatile shoes (ie, mary janes); a comfortable, solid colored JSK or skirt that goes well with anything (if you strongly dislike solids, a print with a generic motif such as florals will work fine. you just want something that's very easy to coordinate in a variety of ways); a decent pair of lace topped OTK or crew socks in a neutral shade; at least one generic KC or headdress; and a bag of some sort.
you can always expand your collection of items into a variety of colors, patterns, and prints as you go, but as a newbie, this set of bare bones basic items will get you started and will be easy to incorporate new items into. your coords will probably be a little boring at first, but it's good for getting a grasp of the fundamentals before diving into more creative outfits. a lot of newbies start off with extravagant pieces, prints with unusual motifs, and complex color schemes and then get stuck with an incohesive wardrobe that's difficult to wear in the long run. don't be afraid to go simple, and give yourself some time to figure out what styles, motifs, and colours you really like in practice. think about how you'll wear something before you buy it. there's a lot of items that are cute in theory, but end up wardrobe bloat in the long run.
No. 586115
>>586040Some nonnas might disagree, but I still think this F Yeah Lolita blog post on wardrobe building is relevant and helpful:
http://www.fyeahlolita.com/2012/05/building-complete-lolita-wardrobe.html?m=1Not any kind of exact science and could be very autistic of me, but I always try to have twice as many blouses as I do main pieces. I think this helps keep your wardrobe more versatile. So if you buy one JSK, try to find two blouses in different styles that can be coordinated with it. You can really never have too many blouses, socks, or headpieces; even if you wear the same two dresses over and over, changing your legwear and headdress, switching your blouse and maybe adding a cardigan can really help with versatility.
No. 586205
>>586173Stop telling us what to do? Let the nonas help them.
>>586176Me too nona ♥ the community has been infested with genderspecial women and tranny it’s depressing.
No. 586220
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Have you ever become disinterested in lolita fashion? Have you ever taken a break from it? If so, for how long? Or is lolita something that you can never see yourself not wearing?
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>>586220I've taken breaks on and off. I started wearing lolita as a younger teen, took a long break, came back when I got my first salaried job, took a break after a year because I had a horrible experience with a man cornering me at a gas station while I was wearing my (favorite at the time) JSK, and actually just came back maybe two years ago. I can't see myself ever leaving for good, I've loved this fashion for so long. I'll probably transition to a more EGA inspired style as I get older.
No. 586248
>>586170> If I have skirts and dresses of different length do I need to buy a new petti for each one?Yes, it's a good idea to have them in a variety of lengths and thicknesses. You may have to experiment to see which ones you prefer. Some petticoats have a lot of volume, but that's a bit cumbersome for everyday wear and might be better for a more OTT event like a tea party. Additionally, with high-volume petticoats, you run the risk of overstuffing your skirt, which will throw the silhouette off (you'll know when it happens). Additionally, you don't want one that's too short with longer length skirts and dresses as it may result in "lampshading" where the skirt goes out up until the petticoat ends, and then it drops down straight. Longer length petticoats are needed for these tea-length items. You also don't want one that's too long when paired with a shorter skirt because it looks tacky if your petti is hanging out from under your skirt. It's always good to have a variety of pettis. There are times I'll try on different petticoats when I first get a new dress to decide which one I like better with it. As a newcomer, ofc you don't want to go out and buy 4 different petticoats all at once though, but it's more that you acquire them as you need them, and sometimes you can find them pretty cheaply secondhand. This is probably something you might want to put a bit more research into to find out what type of petticoats would be best for you.
>>586220I've never become disinterested with the fashion, but I did have a period of about 3 years where I was more interested in mori-kei. It was a time when I was going on hikes a lot, so that likely influenced me, but I still wore lolita then from time to time, it just wasn't my dailywear during that period. If anything, I've more become disillusioned with the idea of comms, while still loving lolita. I think that's all been well discussed in previous threads, so I won't rehash it here.
No. 586260
>>586064Like
>>586074 said most pleather's durability will be kind of climate dependent. AP's regular pleather is notoriously dogshit though, both for their bags and for their shoes. Any enamelled/shiny pleather last for quite a while though. None of my enamelled pleather items have flaked, including my glitter AP bag which I bought secondhand. I also have a real leather Moitie bag that's lasted quite well and I enjoy the process of maintaining it like I do with my boots. Plush bags don't have those usual problems naturally but I assume you're not really worried about those.
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>>586064maybe it's just my cursed humid climate but every pleather item I've bought inevitably disintegrates, including shoes. I stick to the sturdier enamel-coated bags and leather. jane marple has some cute leather bags that work well for lolita
>>586220I had a period of a few years where I was super busy and had almost no opportunities to wear lolita. Even on my days off I was so tired I didn't feel like dressing up. Spending less time in the fashion or reading/talking about it online, it slowly became a smaller and smaller part of my life. I was sure that I had moved on and considered selling everything. But now I'm back and more obsessed than ever, hopefully it's something I'll wear for the rest of my life even if I go through stressful phases where it's not my priority.
>>586230nta but the beauty of anonymity is that I don't have to hear all about someone's super unique gender identity, obesity or mental illnesses. So I don't really care if those types post here
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>>586220Currently on a break due to my financial situation and my job having a uniform so I'm unable to utilize my closet for casual coords. I sometimes wear my pieces to formal events or outings but nowadays thats extremely rare. I'll probably double down on wearing lolita more frequently once I have the time and budget to afford it and even if I step away from wearing OTT coords, I'll probably keep the pieces around to coordinate into other styles like aristo.
No. 586272
I'm getting fat. It's never happened before, I guess my metabolism is slowing down, it's quite terrifying.
>>586041I think having the habit to wait before you buy something is quite healthy. It's better to miss a few bloodbaths than becoming an impulse buyer.
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>>586220I've quit for a couple of years between 2015-2019. I was in college then and had no time or money to invest in lolita. I was also going through some family/ relationship drama during the time, I didn't have any energy for hobbies. I came back during the pandemic boom in 2020 and I've been building my wardrobe ever since. This time around my tastes have definitely changed. I went from wearing sweet to wearing classic.
No. 586306
>>586272I had the same realization a little bit ago nonna. I was very thin as a teenager and never had to put any effort into keeping weight off (which I think is normal), and then I started gaining weight in my 20's. I look my best around 135-140 lbs and am weighing in around 153 right now.
I've been eating in a deficit, cutting most sugar and targeting my core/doing more cardio and less heavy weights with more reps, and so far I'm down three pounds consistently! MyFitnessPal has been helpful, I enjoy seeing the little circular graph breakdown and it keeps me on target. You can get back to a weight where you're comfortable and happy with your appearance nonna, I believe in you! The best time to start is now, you'll start feeling better just knowing you're working on it.
No. 586405
>>586306It's hard because my boyfriend keeps buying slop. We also live in an area where people are mostly overweight - the choice for healthy groceries is very limited, and imo the veggies quality isn't great. Most of the fish and chicken come breaded aswell… So it makes it harder to stick to a healthy diet than where I used to live before, where fresh food was abundant and cheap. This is probably how I managed to remain thin in my late 20's, until now.
But yeah, as you said, it'll require a bit more attention. I also started going some stomach crunches, since this what i'm the most insecure about.
I honestly thing that ultra-processed food is the worse, since they add sugar in favory dishes. So you consume sugar at every meal.
To be honest moving to this area made me more empathetic towards fatty-chans. When you live in a area where healthy food requires considerably more time, money and energy to get, I understand why people go fat. It kind of makes me sad that the individual is blamed, especially for US lolitas, when they live in an environment who's designed to make most people fat.
No. 586496
>>586272>>586306Nonnas, it's a myth that your metabolism slows in your 20s and 30s. It basically plateaus from age 20 until you're around 60, then it declines again.
What is happening to you all is probably a combination of being less active (sedentary office job, less walking in general because you're not in school, whatever), eating worse (no time to cook, consuming high calorie foods and not burning it off as you might have before), and stress (having children, job stress, etc). Otherwise you have a medical issue. People often get fat in their 20s and 30s because they experience lifestyle changes.
>>586405>Most of the fish and chicken come breaded aswell…Your grocery doesn't sell chicken breasts?
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I have recently come into possession of ludovica frill by Victorian Maiden, and it doesn't feel tight around my shoulders or waist, but the front buttons on my chest are pulling apart subtly even though my bust is smaller than the measurements of the dress. Could it have shrunk in the wash? I bought it secondhand so I don't know it's full history. I'm new to wearing dresses in general so I don't really know why it's doing this or how to fix it.
No. 586592
>>586559It slows a really small amount, like 1% a year
It's definitely not why someone would gain 20 lbs in a few months kek
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Question time! Think of your dream country, and imagine you are planning a holiday trip there for a few days, you must pack lolita!
>How much are you packing? Just a single co-ord or will you wear lolita the whole time?
>What from your wardrobe will you take with you? Consider the climate and any activities you may be doing!
>What would you wear to impress the locals?
>What would you look for that you can incorporate into your wardrobe? (If a country is known for good jewellery, good makeup or fabric/shoe craftmanship etc)
>If you were to take photos, where would you go? Any landmarks or special places you're thinking of?
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>>586619I've wanted to go to Prague since I was a teenager, absolute dream trip. The architecture and history is incredible.
>How much are you packing? Just a single coord or will you wear lolita the whole time? I'd probably pack a good mix of lolita and more practical clothing, so I can tone it down if need be.
>What from your wardrobe will you take with you? Consider the climate and any activities you may be doing!I'd probably bring one OP, one JSK and two skirts as main pieces, since those are the easiest to mix and match, and then use the majority of my suitcase space for blouses, cutsews and boleros. I always follow the packing rule of "pack more tops than bottoms."
>What would you wear to impress the locals?I'd mostly be mindful that I don't wear anything so over-the-top that I'd offend the locals. There are a few churches and ossuaries I'd like to visit, so I'd probably do all of those in one day and make sure that's a day where I'm wearing a long skirt and a less attention-grabbing coord.
>What would you look for that you can incorporate into your wardrobe? (If a country is known for good jewellery, good makeup or fabric/shoe craftmanship etc)I'm a textbook Gothic rosary/Catholic trinket abuser, so I'd definitely be on the lookout for iconography.
>If you were to take photos, where would you go? Any landmarks or special places you're thinking of?I'm a predictable Malice Mizer fan, so the St. Vitus Cathedral is top of my list. I'd also love to see the Astronomical Clock and the Sedlec Ossuary!!
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>>586619>How much are you packing? Just a single co-ord or will you wear lolita the whole time?I usually pack lolita when I travel, but I know that when I go to the English Countryside, I'll want to do a fair bit of hiking and enjoying the lovely landscapes, so I don't think I'll solely pack lolita, but rather have some clothes I can do a bit of hiking in as well! How much I pack will likely depend on how long I'm staying, but generally I try to create a sort of capsule wardrobe: pick a theme and have colors and accessories that I can wear with multiple pieces. I think a straw boater hat would be a must! It'd capture the quaint feeling of country life.
>What from your wardrobe will you take with you? Consider the climate and any activities you may be doing!Mostly, I want to relax and enjoy the views, maybe visit some smaller museums and enjoy shops and cafes in the little towns. The particular area I'm wanting to visit is known to have a pretty mild climate, and I think I'd want to visit around spring time, so florals are a must!
>What would you wear to impress the locals?I don't want to be obtrusive and demanding of attention, so I'd rather politely dress, using more casual pieces from my wardrobe. It would be nice to cause as little disruption to the locals as possible.
>What would you look for that you can incorporate into your wardrobe?The area I'm wanting to travel to is known for wool production, so perhaps a cardigan!
>If you were to take photos, where would you go? Any landmarks or special places you're thinking of?There are a few places, but mostly I think taking photos with a backdrop of the fields or the shopfronts would be lovely!
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My financial situation is looking dire though my urge to purchase more coords has strengthened, but I have come to accept the fact that brand is basically inaccessible for me currently (as much as I want AP's Eternal Doll OP). I have my eye out for some seemingly none-scammy websites and so far 42Lolita has some beautiful Classic lolita. I'm quite concerned about the legitimacy of the site, I haven't been buying much outside of brand and I'm looking to expand past that. Can anyone recommend any (legit) Lolita brands that encompass particularly the classical genre? I used to only buy sweet but I really like the vibe of classic.
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>person in my comm hints at future collaboration with a Japanese brand and asks what sorts of things we’d like to see more of from them in the future (for example certain cuts, prints, pockets in dresses)
>”more dress cuts for AMAB bodies!”
No. 586800
>>586776I agree with
>>586780 in that you should wait until you are in a better financial situation. You shouldn't settle and throw away your money.
No. 586806
>>586776don’t listen to the retards, 42lolita is widely known as one of the actually reputable taobao resellers and forest wardrobe is decent for a c-indie. don’t throw your money at dresses you can’t really afford, and don’t buy taobao just to buy
something if what you really want is japanese brand. but anyone who claims literally every single c-indie brand is bad quality is a retarded larper.
No. 586849
>>586801At least fat women are an actual demographic brands may want to cater to, since there’s a lot of them. Why on earth would a Japanese sweet lolita brand go out of its way to cater to men? How many men want to wear their dresses? And more importantly, how many men would want to wear their dresses who aren’t creepy sissies that would irreversibly taint the image of the brand by association? It’s such a terrible idea, it’s laughable.
>>586845There should be tall women’s sizes then, like IW’s L/long cuts but better. Man sizes would not have space for breasts and would be off proportionally. Tall women aren’t shaped like men
nonny, don’t sell yourself short (sorry).
No. 586976
>>586827When there's trannies posting on every picture the comm posts, coming to every meet, and taking over the group, then I think it's
valid to be concerned. You sound like a tranny yourself trying to make it seem like it's not a big deal if women don't have their own spaces.
No. 586988
>>586787I think AP should release pride flag themed OPs in sizes S-5XXXL (lolita is a niche, so we can't have fully inclusive sizing sadly). Also, they should be less than 5.000 yen because some people are poor and can't afford expensive dresses.
>>586976Agreed, tranny sperging can be annoying but so are trannies in female spaces. As long as there isn't any other place to complain about them without getting ostracized, I think it's completely reasonable to talk about a real issue plaguing the community right now.
No. 586989
>>586976Plus this is pretty much the only place on the internet we can vent about it, so of course it comes up a lot. I can talk about coording and new purchases or whatever anywhere but this is my only outlet when I get fed up with the gendies in my comm who talk about this shit nonstop every day.
>POV: u have to budget for both a lolita and an ouji wardrobe bcus ur genderfluid>hey fellow girlygirls is this meetup location (national fine arts museum absolutely bursting at the seams with security) safe for trans girls?? uwu I’m so scawwed will someone hold my hand and help me change in the bathroom uwu>TIM whose ‘coords’ are literally just ill fitting Miku and magical girl cosplays, which no one calls him out on and everyone praises him instead>rant about how much they hate JKR and how they felt unsafe while browsing WunderWelt, presumably because they scrolled past one of those AtPie/HP collab pieces>June is Pride Month!! (it isn’t, in our country) so this month I’m going to post the most hideous identity flag-themed coords every! single! day!The progress one with the rainbow/pastels/brown and black was a sight to behold and I almost broke my own rule of not posting comm members in the ita thread.
I’ve been holding back on venting about this too much because I know it’s annoying, but god it’s hard. If anyone can point me to the ‘sane, thin women’ lolita comm (they don’t need to be thin idgaf) so I’d never have to see another genderfluid pansexual demiqueer I’d appreciate it.
No. 587002
>>586989The comm you are looking for is called making friends from your wider comm and hanging out with them.
>>586996Like clockwork.
No. 587018
>>586976>>586989Okay and that's understandable to a degree but I don't think it's normal that about half of the posts in any given lolita thread here directly pertain to trannysperging instead of the actual fashion. Not to mention that the subject is always discussed in an extremely anxiety-provoking and aggressive tone (as in the first post I've quoted) which are not emotions I want to correlate with my lolita experience. Funny that this paranoid throws tranny accusations around in a space she is supposedly using to ignore them and forget about their existence.
>>586996I'm with you on this one. Extreme trannyspergers are in a symbiotic parasitic relationship with the gendies.
No. 587024
>>587020anon, are you okay?
I think at worst, normies think we're cosplaying. And cosplay has become a lot more normalized in the past ten years or so.
People don't care nearly as much as you think they do.
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>>587024>normies think we're cosplayingThis is the biggest cope I've ever heard in my life. Well-coorded lolita doesn't look like cosplay, if anything you're outing yourself as being an ita. Normies think lolitas are historical larpers or even living dolls if they're ignorant, neither of which is normalized. Or they just don't have a point of reference and think we're schizophrenic. If your substyle is sweet they also probably think you're some sort of fetishist.
No. 587071
>>587041What are you talking about? Most normies haven't even heard about lolita fashion, especially th older ones. If they see lolita they will either think :
- If you wear classic : "it looks like traditional clothing, I will ask them from which country they're from" or "Oh it must be retro fashion like in the 50's"
_ if you wear something even vaguely reminiscent of anime character designs (so most often old school and sweet), they will think "Oh this look like these Japanese cartoons characters outfits, these kids must be cosplaying"
I think it mostly depend of which substyles you're wearing. Most normies don't really have an appreciation for clothing quality anyway, especially if said clothes seem outlandish to them.
>>586996Found the handmaidens lol. Stop trying to poison the well. It's the only place we can vent about them, let us have it. You have endless discord servers and social media pages to whine about the bitter mentally ill bigoted "TERFs".
No. 587080
>>587071>Most normies haven't even heard about lolita fashionYes it’s what I’m saying. Where’s your reading comprehension?
>it looks like traditional clothing, I will ask them from which country they're fromI kekked out loud at this, sorry I can’t take this seriously. Not only are you a turbo autist who has never been outside in her entire life let alone in lolita, but also you do not have any idea what traditional clothing from any region of the world whatsoever looks like. I also love the implication that tourists just walk around in traditional clothing, you must be a burger who has been homeschooled in bumfuck nowhere Ohio. Retard.
>Oh this look like these Japanese cartoons characters outfits, these kids must be cosplayingIf you see OTT sweet and have the discernment to associate it with harajuku fashion (because it does not look like anything in mainstream contemporary anime) you are not an average normie. It is not common knowledge, period.
No. 587084
>>587074>Everyone already knows you're on the same side.Aw nona, tons of handmaidens browse LC, including this very thread. I fully agree that tranny sperging is repetitive and cumbersome but it has one virtue: it keeps female-majority spaces from devolving into a who's-the-nicest-girl contest. These women are deferrent to group opinions so they will shut up about twansphobia if there are enough women who repeatedly say they hate troons, without pushback. Think of it as weaponizing their own people-pleasing tendencies against them. It's unfortunate that this means we get excessive sperging and edginess all over the site but it's necessary. Being antagonized here and there by a
trigger-happy autist is annoying, but it's much preferrable than what is happening in a lot of female online spaces
No. 587100
>>587080>If you have the discernment to associate it with harajuku fashion you are not an average normie.Yeah no, harajuku/kawaii/decora whatever has been sprinkled through the mainstream long enough that the average person definitely knows OTT is Japanese subculture related. Gwen Stefani and Nicki Minaj were talking about harajuku 15-20 years ago. Any gen X to alpha knows kawaii shit and sees it in their games and media.
>traditional clothing from any region of the world whatsoeverA lot of lolita looks like dirndls and other layered apron styles, not to mention walolita and dresses that incorporate hanfu. It’s not outlandish for an elderly person to assume if they didn’t know otherwise.
You sound demented projecting so many insults that only apply to you.
No. 587102
>>587095>Famously, women are subhuman herd creatures incapable of forming independent worldviewsWomen, as a group, are socialized to always prioritize group cohesion
and men's wellbeing. Stop strawmanning.
>this is why every lolita thread derails into trannysperging and argument, Never said it's why they sperg about it, just that there is a silver lining (as slim as it is). I really suspect it's a form of gatekeeping, even if it's not done consciously. Plus the arguments usually happen between who seemingly are on the same page but are paranoid about diverging opinions, even this website struggles with groupthink to an extent. Handmaidens will post but they know that blatant troon asskissing isn't tolerated, which is
good No. 587104
>>586619>How much are you packing? Just a single co-ord or will you wear lolita the whole time?Most of my wardrobe is lolita so the whole time!
>What from your wardrobe will you take with you? Consider the climate and any activities you may be doing!My wardrobe is already pretty well suited for fall weather so that won’t be an issue
>What would you wear to impress the locals?I think I’d like to wear trump card Alice JSK to laforet!
>What would you look for that you can incorporate into your wardrobe? (If a country is known for good jewellery, good makeup or fabric/shoe craftmanship etc)something directly from BTSSB’s store and some cute mascot ears from Disney!
>If you were to take photos, where would you go? Any landmarks or special places you're thinking of?All the theme parks I wanna go to, but Disney sea in particular will make some really nice photos (kind of a shame I don’t like marine prints haha)
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>>587104>kind of a shame I don’t like marine printsMaybe you could do a sailor coord for disney sea? I always think sailor coords are so cute! I don't have any marine prints either since they aren't so much my thing, but I have a sailor cutsew from fint that I love coording with my jsks in the summer and then match it with cute nautical accessories!
No. 587122
>>587102I will say it again, I am against trannysperging in Lolita threads. I am here to discuss the fashion.
>Women, as a group, are socialized to always prioritize group cohesion and men's wellbeing.Make a mental effort. Why do you still fail to understand that using this as argument against women who do not share your worldview invalidates the idea of independent thought in women and is therefore a tactic of dehumanization on the level of incel rhetoric? It is worth noting the implication that women as a group are essentially defined by culture and socialization which is eerily similar to “gender is a social construct and all women are the same, so wearing a skirt makes me a woman” tranny discourse. You accuse other women of misogyny and say in the same breath that women who don’t think like you are incapable of autonomous decisions and variation of character. By this logic you yourself can’t escape the patriarchal trap and become an independent thinker either, you can only be a reactionary (“all women prioritize group cohesion and men’s wellbeing - I will just do the complete opposite because as stupid woman I am incapable of nuance”). Anecdotally I don’t prioritize group cohesion for shit due to my upbringing and various biological factors yet I disagree with your extreme take on trannies, how come?
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Poaching it from the coords you like thread but
>>>/g/585857 the subreddit creator's complex on the affordability and "accessibility" of lolita/ouji is real, but what they're saying in terms of availability does make sense. Outside of AATP, can you name a single Japanese brand consistently putting out ouji today? Chinese brands at least exist. There are lots of vintage finds to be enjoyed if you look, and sometimes Meta might put out the odd piece, but even if you're just looking for shorts/pants that aren't AATP you'll have a hard time finding something. That said the vintage market doesn't have much competition at all unless you're after like rare Boz pieces. Picrel is an ugly ass waistcoat that's been on the sale section on the website for ages kek
No. 587130
>>587125Agreed.
>>587122You're jumping to all kinds of conclusions, you can describe unfortunate social trends among women without it being incel rhetoric or something absolute like 'all women retarded'. It's not about you or me personally.
>due to my upbringing and various biological factorsNo1currs.
>>587126>That said the vintage market doesn't have much competition at all unless you're after like rare Boz piecesSad
No. 587164
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>>587158>personally I like hearing about lolita gendies retardation when it’s funny.Me too. We're on a lolcow website after all.
>>587126Meta often releases ouji pants and sets. But yeah, it's a different style.
No. 587192
>>587153I agree. If they want to talk about something else nothing is stopping them from bringing up a new topic, but they don't. This goes for any conversation you don't find personally appealing. Let the people who want to discuss it discuss it and ignore the thread, or contribute something else you do want to talk about instead of trying to police what other anons talk about.
>>587162I'm guessing you mean where the waistline sits. In my experience they sometimes do sit a bit high, usually somewhere at my lower ribcage than the smallest part of my waist which is where I think it's supposed to sit. I guess it depends on your bust measurements and torso length. If a dress is cut for someone with a shorter, flatter chest than you the waistline will be too high.I have some dresses that do sit at the right place, but it's a rarity. I don't know what style you wear but I like classic A line cuts for this reason because they don't have that waist seam. Sometimes they do still flare out a bit higher than I'd like but it's easy to tighten in the waist to actually fit my body.
No. 587194
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>>587162Depends on your height and build! I'm 5'2 with a higher natural waist, ETC and Baby hit right at my waist (almost below my ribs). Innocent World might fit you better if your natural waist is "normal" to low (by normal I mean it dips in closer to equidistant between your ribcage and your hips). JetJ do lower waist cuts, as do Moitie and Excentrique. Sweet brands tend to have higher waists, even if the dress is a regular waist cut as opposed to empire. It depends a lot on the individual pieces! Flocky Flower by Moitie hits me perfectly, but would sit weird in someone with a lower waist. Whereas their newer printed JSK cuts sit great on women with longer torsos but would be a clown show on me kek. Check out Excentrique's corset skirts nonna, they might be perfect for you!
No. 587302
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This is exciting! I missed out on the Antique Bouquet re-release last year and had been pining for something a bit more old school.
No. 587306
>>587162They’re supposed to hit at your natural waist or slightly above to maintain the silhouette. It’s better for a lolita dress bodice to be slightly too short than slightly too long. That’s why handmade lolita dresses based on normie Western dress patterns nearly always look off; the waistline is too low and that completely throws off the silhouette.
The vast majority of lolita brands are designed with East Asian girls in mind so if you’re taller than the average Japanese girl, you’ll probably have some fit issues.
I share your pain though, most of my brand JSKs sit an inch above my actual waist despite me being only 5’4” with a small chest, and I wear (mostly older) classic. I have one Meta JSK that’s nominally ‘just waist’ yet sits almost two inches above my actual waist. The straps are adjustable but if I adjust those to make the waist seam sit at my waist, the neckline is so low that it would show my bra if I’m not wearing a blouse underneath. Damnit, Meta!
>>587194Skirts in general are a godsend for people with this issue.
No. 587430
>>587126>>the subreddit creator's complex on the affordability and "accessibility" of lolita/ouji is real, but what they're saying in terms of availability does make sense. Wow, what an incorrect statement. Why even include lolita in this discussion? It clearly isn't difficult to find/buy brand lolita.
Even though it's less popular than lolita, I've had no trouble finding ouji. Currently and back then, maybe 10 years ago, there are/were plenty of options. Besides Aatp there is Atelier Boz, Miho Matsuda, occasionally Meta and Sheglit(though their pants selection is rare), older Innocent World, H.Naoto, Black Peace Now (closed down but is still obtainable through secondhand), older Algonquins, and Ozz On to name a few.
No. 587449
>>587430I shouldn't have included lolita you're right. I did say putting it out today as in new releases. With how versatile most lolita brand pieces are you don't even have to worry about dedicated items for your top half very much, but looking for shorts or pants that suit ouji eliminates most Ozz and H.Naoto pieces. From that view alone you're left with AatP, Miho Matsuda, and the occasional Meta and Sheglit release.
But that's only because so many of them want things that are brand new. Recommending secondhand brand to these people results in a pile of complaints about how it takes too long to find pieces they want because they're often too fat for the normal stuff and lack the patience to look for things that fit them, and combine that with how many of them just don't want brand ouji looks at all but want all the super pastel "sweet ouji" type shit that Chinese brands churn out in droves. It makes trying to help them find things is exhausting.
>>587436Soapbox? Why are you acting so sensitive? I agreed with one part of it that I reassessed kek, come on nona.
No. 587455
>>587430Tbh, old Algonquins is underrated. I never wear ouji, but I love their cutsews with casual skirt coords.
>>587435Not really, especially since Meta often will add more slots if it all sells out right away. If there is a bloodbath and it all sells out, keep checking back with Meta for restock info.
No. 587463
>>587457I find dressing for hot climate much more difficult as it makes wearing a petti almost unbearable. For cold climate:
>layer with knit cardigan >tights for cold climate and maybe shoe inlays>cute winterbootsSome jsk for example come in a bit of a thicker material as also blouses!
No. 587483
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>>587457Exciting
nonnie.
Winters get quite cold so the obvious to bring is a good winter coat, preferably one that fits over your skirt if it's freezing. Wool or poly lined is even better at keeping you warm. Also some thermal underthings + tights. There are skin coloured ones for tights. Furtermore some gloves, headwear like earmuffs, scarf or muffler. And maybe a silly one bc I hate wearing gloves (my long nails rip the fabric kek) but these little hand warmers exist and they're handy when you're commuting. They also have them for your feet. Good luck!
No. 587490
>>587457As someone who did similar, Finland might not be as cold as you're expecting (and if your semester has you staying until April or May, you don't want to pack exclusively winter clothes or you'll be sweating). Also it kind of matters where at in Finland you'll be going too. The layering advise offered by
>>587463 is pretty good though because it may be cold outside, but it can be pretty toasty indoors and on transit.
No. 587519
>>587457If you sew, flannel bloomers are great. I've been meaning to make some more for this winter! I wouldn't use flannel to make any kind of decorative bloomers, but just for wearing under skirts they add so much warmth. Layered with your petticoat, sheer flesh-tone tights under OTKs, a plain long sleeve undershirt under your blouse (or just a a cozy cutsew), a bolero, gloves, a scarf, and a coat, you're golden! I always think lolita is easier to coord in the cold/a very easy fashion to stay warm in, because your pieces tend to overlap and minimize exposed skin. Look on Rakuma and Mercari JP for coats, I got a Betty's Blue tartan coat for $18 and an AaTP coat for $30 on there!
No. 587561
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Is it possible to get bed bugs from a second-hand item? I bought something from a seller on yahoo auctions a few weeks ago and didn't wash it immediately as it had undisclosed stains I wanted to remove first. I made the mistake of opening it on my bed and hanging it next to other clothes too. I woke up with red itching bumps on my body a few days ago. It's bad enough to deal with other furniture and textiles but brand isn't supposed to be washed at high temperatures. All my jsks, blouses etc. are on a rack in my bedroom I don't know what to do if they spread. I've been buying used clothes from japan for six years and never had anything like this happen before.
No. 587567
>>587561It is possible but I don't feel like likely? I would have thought you'd see them on the clothes when you opened the package. Either way that's horrible and I'm so sorry, anon.
>>587512Seconding, different anon but I found out there's still Plus Plus Profusion of Flowers JSKs on the site and not going to lie it's really tempting to buy one and get it altered smaller. The length wouldn't bother me since I'm pretty tall.
No. 587609
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>>587561Oh god nonna, I'm so sorry. Before you go scorched earth, check the seams of the garment for bedbug droppings and eggs. The spoilered pic is a photo of bedbug droppings so you know what you're checking for. Strip your bed and check the seams of your mattress for the same, pillows, your other clothes hanging on the rack etc,. There's a chance you could be having an allergic reaction to detergent used, mites and dust etc., so I wouldn't panic too hard until you check.
If you do indeed have bedbugs, there are some steps you can take at home before you have to resort to professional treatment. The absolute first thing I'd do is bag your wardrobe in plastic trash bags and seal them off. If it's hot enough where you are, I would put the bags in the trunk of my car or out on the pavement (if you have a private backyard/work from home and can keep an eye on them) and let them bake in the sun all day. Get a bedbug-proof zip mattress cover to suffocate the ones in your mattress, and then follow the steps here:
https://www.epa.gov/bedbugs/do-it-yourself-bed-bug-control. My friends had a computer repair man bring bedbugs into their house, they did these steps and it killed the bugs without having to resort to a full professional treatment. Good luck!!!
No. 587611
>>587567Maybe I could have seen them but I was only focused on the stains. Thanks nonna.
>>587597The seller is
https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/seller/2KBB2Wj1TdhTe5WWgA9RN8CUh7tcu?user_type=c >>587609Thank you so much. I will do what you recommend. I really hope it's something else but if it's not I will post an update so anons know not to buy from that seller
No. 587640
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>>587512I usually buy plus size Meta dresses and have them altered since my bust measurement is close to the max on the regular size. Meta has openings in the elastic channels (pic rel) to make dresses easier to take in but I sometimes put a couple darts in the bodice to get it to look more fitted. The only issue I've really had is that the plus size dress skirts are longer and fuller than they are in regular sizes, even when I move the buttons on the straps to shorten them they're still kinda long but it's not too bad.
No. 587669
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>>587457My go to in winter is usually
>Velveteen dress>Long sleeve blouse>Cardigan over>Bloomers>Tights under socks (it can look a bit goofy yes but it’ll keep you a lot warmer!)>muffler >earmuffs (or a velveteen headdress that goes over the ears) >glovesI don’t own any snow boots but it’s a good investment too
Man I wish it was winter more than summer, I like bundling up in Lolita winter gear…
No. 587671
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Do you think you would have worn something similar to lolita if you never had access to internet/technology? Or how would your life be different if you didn't have access to the internet until much later in life, finding out about lolita maybe even a decade later than you did? Would you have had an interest in historical fashion maybe? Or perhaps you would have been more into athlesiure or "goth" fashion?
No. 587682
>>587671I don’t think my style would resemble Lolita fashion, especially without the silhouette and other guidelines that define the fashion. However, some of my favorite pre-Lolita clothes have design patterns that I usually like in Lolita, eg. bows, velveteen, high necklines, and vintage floral prints.
I suppose I could get into historical fashion, but that seems even more inaccessible than Lolita if one does not have access to the internet.
No. 587693
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>>587671I had hippie parents who pretty strictly limited internet access, so I found out about lolita via borrowing anime and manga from the library and my dad getting me the Fruits Phaidon books from a local record store for Christmas one year. I probably wouldn't know the right terms/be able to find the clothes I like, and I maybe wouldn't have found out about visual kei music until much later, but I think my style would have evolved fairly similarly!
I think most of us like the elements lolita includes (historical inspo, attention to detail, lace, layers, texture) independent of lolita, so I think we'd all be wearing some variation of weird feminine fashion even if we never discovered lolita.
No. 587821
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>>587794You really just have to stop worrying about what others think about your clothes.
Do you think moids who wear basketball shorts and T-shirts think for even a single second "what are other people going to think about this?" They absolutely don't, and they look objectively horrible, especially when compared to a woman wearing a beautiful and nicely coorded Innocent World dress.
I need every nonna ITT to wear your pretty clothes with the shamelessness of a sub-par moid, because I'm sure all of us look better than them. You should enjoy your wardrobe nonna!
No. 587875
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>>587866What do you mean by weird? Is it a bad hair cut? I have short 4b/4c hair, so that could be considered "weird". I make sure to choose good hair accessories to balance out my coords. I'm a big fan of berets for short hair.
I hate flats in lolita. The gap between the shoe and the leg wear looks so awkward, even in a good coord. Simple mary jane shoes are a much better alternative.
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>>587866Ballet flats are fine. Ofc not every pair will work with lolita but most are fine in my experience. I do tend to prefer a slight heel myself, but I find in cases like picrel where there is a lace up design on the otk, not having the strap of Mary Janes looks better.
No. 587904
>>587866Ballet flats are going to be really uncomfortable for long periods of time, in addition to looking bad. They just make your coord look unfinished and weird, especially because the top half has so much volume and then the flats have nothing going on.
Clark's make good quality/comfortable leather shoes with arch support that can also look good in lolita. I personally don't own tea parties because they're too sweet
for my wardrobe. I have both a black and a brown pair of Victorian-adjacent leather granny boots for walking and winter, two pairs of vintage Doc Marten Mary janes for a summer walking shoe option, and one pair of Angelic Imprint platform boots/two pairs of Yosuke platform heels for when I'm not walking a lot. I'm currently looking for a real leather alternative to the IW/VM knee-high lace up boots (would love the American Duchess ones but they aren't in the cards budget-wise right now). You don't have to buy lolita-specific shoes or bags; as long as you have taste and an eye for what looks good, good-quality leather shoes and bags will go a lot farther in your wardrobe than pleather crap.
No. 588056
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What the hell is this cut? It makes even Misako look fat
No. 588058
>>588056that's what my first thought was seeing this! It's a really beautiful dress tbh but let's say it looks rather comfy kek
>>588054The case is usually that I'm unable to purchase when it's not supposed to be sold to gaijins but I was able to buy it as usual. I actually need to check if I can message them because I don't have a mercari account.
No. 588071
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>>588066Some old school coords look to me like they're not wearing a petti at all. I'm sure an underskirt it should be fine although I'm not a oldie myself.
No. 588107
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>>588071Yeah I love the no petti/almost no petti old school look but I'm scared of being labeled as ita since all the rules everywhere say it's not lolita without a petti
No. 588112
>>588027Sometimes, I think sellers might ghost shopping services. I've had this happen a few times over the years and the shopping service has always ended up refunding me after a month of the transaction sitting in limbo or so.
>>588056I always feel like the bows that meta puts on their stuff look out of place. This one, at least the color match is better than usual for meta, but the fabric choice still seems a bit too glossy for the more muted tone of this dress.
No. 588116
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>>588107The "rules" are kind of like bumpers at a bowling alley. They're essentially guidelines for how to make a fail proof very safe and standard coord, and they're designed for newbies who maybe don't have a good eye or sense of style yet. Which is all to say that once you're more comfortable with lolita styling, you'll be able to better discern instances where "breaking" the rules makes a coord look better.
I personally don't like a lot of poof, so I have a deflated MAM petticoat that I put under most things, and then a handmade cotton petticoat with organza and tulle outer layers that I use if a piece needs a little extra body. I'd suggest just getting a secondhand MAM one off Wunderwelt if you like the low poof look.
No. 588121
How much do Sheglit shirred skirts stretch? I'm considering buying one but I'm wondering if it'll fit me confortably. I have a ~75 cm waist, even at my skinniest I never went under 72 cm for reference.
It's a bit frustrating because their style is pretty unique but their sizing seems to run small compared to Atelier Pierrot for instance.
>>588107As long as the outift looks good who cares. The problem when you go without a petti is that a lot of dresses will look awkward with it, especially the ones with prints. But for old school skirts that are designed for less puff anyway it looks fine most of the time.
No. 588146
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>>588121nonna are you me? I have very similar measurements and just today I wanted to check out Sheglit skirts. I really need a skirt for casual wear and I saw them usually listed at 64+ so with shirring but… how far does it go lol How is Sheglit quality wise? I don't own anything from them yet but I'm thinking of investing something because I have to admit I really adore their designs!
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>>588127>>588146Well… The shirring panel looks pretty small, definitely not full back shirring. It looks a bit folded but it's really hard to to tell if the shirring will allow 15cm of stretch to fit comfortably.
If only IW could release more plain skirts…
No. 588226
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I was excited for this when I saw Moitie's new designs. From the front it looks so cute…but I hate the back so much! I can only see myself buying the skirt now
No. 588228
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The cape is super cute tho. I can only imagine the bloodbath it will bring tomorrow.
No. 588254
>>588226This set is so cute and I'm also dissapointed at the decision to make the back open.
>>588228I'm not so excited about the cape because I have the Candelabra Emblem Gate jsk and it just looks to my like I'm wearing the skirt part around my shoulders kek
No. 588264
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Since when is Bttsb doing short skirts? Also the model needs to chill it with the botox
No. 588273
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>>588264Those are actually shorts. Even the Chinese lolitas are saying this release looks like it's from a Chinese brand and not Baby. I like the fabric but I'm not a fan of the shape of anything from this release.
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>>588278This release has sparked a lot of discussion about MmMs qualityI think and a lot of people are unhappy. I got the cross button jacket and I will see in September how the quality will be but I gotta say the Stock pictures looked lacking in quality.
No. 588357
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>>588226kek this bump looks so stupid and the cape seems like a way to use up the rest of the candelabra gate skirt fabric. nu-moitie has only been good for new socks and some re-releases and this really confirms it to me. it's almost always better to spend the money on a better brand instead
No. 588405
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>>588264I think this is pretty cute, though I'd have to tone it down. The shirt makes the outfit look too busy. I have a couple of Baby's and Aatp's ruffle shorts already and style them for ouji. I'm considering just the vest and the shorts, I'm not a fan of the headress/tophat.
No. 588460
>>588228I feel like the capes are too expensive for what they are. Maybe if they went on sale i'd think about it. Also, i've never liked those bonnets, they look flimsy.
>>588226I actually really like this, including the open back. It looks like they used a nice heavy material. They definitely could've tailored the back though. It's not like adjusting the buckles was really going to be functional in terms of adjusting the sizing if that's what they were trying to do.
No. 588485
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>>588285the jacket is sold out already. It's funny because old-moitie heads were really complaining about this particular piece because it's sort of a re-release of a jacket they did in 2005. People still buy their new stuff and apparently there is quite a demand for their stuff. Imo it's silly to expect the quality of the old stuff and think it will sell. Obviously the price would need to be high and people won't buy it. I wonder if the old pieces were all made in Japan and nowadays usually only the lace and the buttons are made in Japan and the rest is manufactured in China.
No. 588540
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>>588273>>588285Not a single new release I've liked so far..I just want Moitie to re-release Silent Moon Short Length 2023 in the white colorway again, please
No. 588941
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Probably an unpopular opinion nowadays, but I still really dislike sleeveless coords. It just looks off to me, a blouse or a bolero/cardigan is necessary imo.
No. 588959
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Does anyone have a budget for purchases? Monthly? Yearly? And how much do you usually put aside for lolita? When did you start? Do you have any tips to share?
No. 589015
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>>588941Not that unpopular, though with babydoll jsks it looks quite cute if really hot outside. But anything else feels unbalanced/off?
No. 589027
>>588941>>589015I think these are both cute. The reason being is because they have slim arms. I wouldn't do it because i hate having my armpits out, it feels gross.
>>588959I have no budget, but lately i've not been buying lolita because i need to lose weight and also i just have enough since i don't go out much. I think it's almost been a year since i've bought anything.
>>588559Exactly, even moitie themselves have released cheaper dresses themselves. It's not justifiable to me.
No. 589028
>>588941I also dislike them, but I especially dislike how many lolitas do it and then post "omg, I'm bReAkInG da rUlEz!!" like people haven't been doing this for 30 years.
Isn't it only a "rule" because it's considered somewhat inappropriate to show your shoulders and armpits in Japanese culture? So they only do it when it's really hot? I'm pretty sure it's a Japanese culture thing, but of course westerners take great offense to the idea and have to shit all over it.
No. 589040
>>589015I think this one is cuter than
>>588941, but it's specifically because this one has more of a retro feel to it and almost could pass as a cutesy take on the rockabilly look, but still it'd be better with a blouse or bolero.
>>589028blouseless is the only way for a woman posting coords on r/lolita to get as many asspats as men do on the regular and every time it's "OMG DA RULEZ!!!1!"
No. 589078
>>588941Agree. I don't wear arm-free tops out of Lolita so I also don't appreciate it in Lolita. Imo it's okey to wear a jsk like this on a hot day but you don't have to take a picture of it. It's an imperfect/sloppy/casual coord at best.
>>589028Why do people have issues with staying within the rules.
No. 589098
>>589028I've never heard that it's inappropriate to show your shoulders in Japan as a cultural thing (and the popularity of tank tops as summer wear seems to suggest the opposite tbh), but they are probably more likely to cover up over there for the sake of sun protection.
I think it just got codified as part of ~the rules~ because in the 2000's it was extremely common for newbies to coordinate JSKs like they were sundresses. They didn't know you were SUPPOSED to wear a blouse because half of them were being inspired by drawings of 'kawaii neko girl in Ero Elegant Gothic Lolita fashion (ORIGINAL DESIGN DO NOT STEAL)' on Deviantart or GaiaOnline or some shit.
I don't think lolitas in Japan were ever as insufferable as Westerners about 'rules' but they didn't have to be because the majority of people weren't being funneled into the fashion by virtue of the Greasy Weeb pipeline.
No. 589123
>>589104just get a low-poof petti then. it's not hard. Additionaly, learn to just tuck your petti under you when you sit like
>>589114 said, vidrel. I've been on transit in multiple cities with no issues.
No. 589178
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The mercari seller ended up sending my order I could not be happier nonas
No. 589188
>>588941this is the most mainstream western opinion imaginable.
>>589028it's mostly westerners who dislike blouseless coords, so i don't think this is true.
No. 589243
>>589226check the timelines. Can you find anything pre-2005?
I remember shit like the Soleil la nuit zine having articles about behavioral 'rules' back in the 00's, but that was part of the lifestyle shit that was popular back then. never anything like 'must wear a blouse' because obviously if you just look at street snaps from back then, the fashion was way more freely interpreted.
No. 589250
>>589243This is a little biased because Fruits and other street snap sources purposefully looked for coords that were more unique or rebellious.
I can believe there wasn't much discussion of "the rules" just because there probably didn't need to be. There is no "rules" obsession for many modern Japanese alt fashions in Japan either because there don't need to be, they just go to the stores that carry these fashions and buy them, it's that simple.
Westerners trying to interpret these fashions in a country where you can't just go to the mall and buy them and try things on is a different story. So you might be right in that sense, Japanese lolitas didn't focus on rules because they didn't really need to.
No. 589369
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Have these blind auctions where sellers list a high bin price in addition to a regular starting bid always been a thing? They piss me off kek
No. 589437
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seriously a labubu?
No. 589438
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>>589250>This is a little biased because Fruits and other street snap sources purposefully looked for coords that were more unique or rebellious.Ntayrt I don't know about that time but today lolita is incorporated into J-fashion very freely in ways that would be considered ita if worn by westerners. It's just considered as clothes.
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>>589439>>589438nta but this doesn't really read Lolita anymore to me. Probably my rule-loving western eyes? Perhaps the Lolita scene in Asia is as diverse as the western one and you'll have younger people try to break out of the rules while older participants will stick to them?
No. 589451
>>589446Yes, all of this. If you're fashionable, you can make it look good. The point you become ita is when you try to wear a lolita coord, but do it badly.
Though, I think this is still an unpopular opinion in the western community.
No. 589482
>>589460Yeah, everyone has always done this. Of course any westerners can wear a lolita dress however they like. It's tagging it lolita that people don't like.
I also think it's harder for westerners to make good non lolita coords in general because our fashion evolved separately. Western fashion is much less feminine and more angular, lacking in details like lace and frills. A random store in Japan is much more likely to have things that match lolita clothes much better than here because Asian fashion is much more feminine in general.
No. 589499
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What's your favorite misrepresentation of lolita fashion in journalism? I got a good laugh out of the old Italian Vogue article on various gothic styles (
https://www.vogue.it/en/people-are-talking-about/obsession-of-the-day/2011/10/gothic-guide-halloween)
No. 589526
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>>589499https://boingboing.net/2008/09/29/charles-platt-on-aki.html>"Charmmy Kitty" (a Hello Kitty knockoff)It's interesting to read for old akiba pics (fem kawoshin at the start) and how you can tell the guy writing it put in literally zero research.
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>>589527I suppose this would have been more suitable.
No. 589531
>>589527It’s all about control. Vogue can’t exert influence over alt fashion like Lolita so they resort to disparaging it.
Of course, if EGL ever caught on to the mainstream or became profitable to promote, I bet they’ll do a 180
No. 589542
>>589526>Charmmy Kitty>Homage to Julie Andrews?kek men really don't know shit but will act like experts on literally anything and everything. thanks for the recommendation,
nonnie!
No. 589554
>>589534tbf they did this to everyone even those who dressed as normiecore as possible. but this show really encouraged their hosts to play up being catty bitches to the max. same as that Snog/Marry/Avoid show in the UK.
this episode made me genuinely sad when it aired because I felt so sorry for this girl. I think there was a rumor that all the clothes they left her with ended up being moldy or something, too?
No. 589575
>>589534The
disgust in the host's voice when she says "in Japan?!" kekkkk
No. 589682
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Chalmiere (axesfemme kawaii) is releasing the cutest bear bag I've ever seen. I love her, she is so perfect. I've never been a plushie bag liker but she is so proportionally satisfying. I want to get her but I won't, because I know I won't really use her and she will just become another plushie sitting with my others.
No. 589701
>>589078>Why do people have issues with staying within the rulesin the case of
>>588941 &
>>589015 - because they aren't newfag autists. and they know the rules only apply to newfag autists obsessed with being subversive to the detriment of looking cohesive.
once you understand the rules are only meant to restrict the tasteless, ignorant, and inexperienced, you will be set free
No. 589765
>>589499It's insane that they act like $100 is a lot of money considering they shill basic clothing that costs thousands of dollars. Also, aren't there a couple of lolitas who frequently wear their stuff to work? kek. I know of one who literally is able to have a bottomless pit of a wardrobe because of it.
>>589527I don't take any of these fashion magazines seriously and nobody has for years. It's honestly so vindicating how far they have all fallen.
>>589534The hair and makeup was nice, but i was always pissed off at the narrative this spread that once a woman turns 30 she needs to start looking as matronly as possible. She still looks very young and lolita unironically suited her better than the horrible auntie clothes.
No. 589824
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>>589818I guess not every single item they sell is 100% lolita but I definitely consider them to sell lolita. picrel is from them. Most of their items are loliable if you throw a petti on with it. Misako also still models for them.
No. 589921
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The only Silent Moon OP White colorway listing on LM was sold today. I wan't planning on purchasing it at the moment but I liked looking at the listing.
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>>589921I like owning it.
No. 589933
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>>589924Nonnie it's so cool that you have it, I hope I can own it one day. It's so so gorgeous. Hoping moitie does a re-release of it soon.
No. 590075
>>590053damn I think you might be onto something! Although I see it as
>>590044 and it just makes me want to avoid these sellers and all I do is roll my eyes kek
No. 590083
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which one of you insulted some poor nonas beginner sewing project to cause her to sperg out in multiple threads.
No. 590380
>>590369The auctions don't stop.
>>590232Mods haven't given a shit for a long time. They don't do anything about people that actually break rules, why do you think they would care about someone who doesn't?
>>590305This, the newfags rewriting lolita history are out of control lately.
No. 590513
>>590492It was you who started making up retarded claims that speak against 20+ years of lolita history, so I should be asking you for a source. You are lucky to be in a time where you can visit any old brand page and buy any magazine, download the google translate app and actually read what is written instead of basing your understanding on images you probably found on pinterest. I suspect you corrected yourself and specifically asked for anything pre-2005 because that was the year two entire japanese books were published on the anatomy of a coord and lolita items.
Hell, you could even do the minimum effort of visiting livejournal yourself. You would then find a bunch of translated pages, for example this 2chan thread from 2001/2 and find out this discussion is nothing new or western-only:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080919214537/http://hillieras.ld.infoseek.co.jp/gothloli/fuman.html>By the way, my friend who's a salesclerk in a sweet shop wears an Emily Temple Cute skirt, blouse, cardigan, knee socks, and boots when she commutes to work. She also has a really cute outfit of tartan skirt, hoodie, and knee socks. I'm sure people are going to say "That's not loli!" but I think it's loli enough.>Yeah, lolita clothes without much lace, with pretty prints and silhouettes, that you coordinate into a lolita look–nowadays, a lot of people say that's not lolita. ^^;>On a certain BBS, there was someone who was trying to put together an outfit of "little princess coat, white headdress, and jeans"!! That's got to be a loli taboo… well, I don't like rules like that, but that outfit is just too much. What kind of fashion sense is that? No. 590552
>>590541It sounds like more of a individual vibe check than a codified standard imo. The posts chosen itt are also specifically
disagreeing with the idea of 'rules' (ex: 'my friend wears such and such and it's still lolita') so it just seems like ridiculously flimsy evidence for the idea that the strict numerical lists of the 2000's came from Japan instead of neurotic Westerners with too much time on their hands.
No. 590558
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>>590392I agree anon, and I gotta say to me Lolita still looks very versatile. Just put all the different substyles next to each other and I find that within The Rules™ there isn't so much restriction. Even if you put two gothic or two sweets next to each other they can look very different.
No. 590581
>>590558Anon's problem is that she saw neo-oldschoolers and tiktokers imitating Fruits streetsnaps and some images from the GOTHIC AND lolita bible and deducted that it must all be lolita, or that the women in the streetsnaps experimenting with general J-fashion means they had no standards for lolita. Honestly this whole argument just seems like the results of zoomies growing up with and forming their opinions around images/media and often having a too corrupted attention spans to read fully or investigate further. Current social media is a horrible influence on any subculture..
>>590535>>590552Must be hard being too willfully ignorant to do basic critical thinking just because you absolutely have to call everything lolita. The fact that every older lolita seems to know it as standard knowledge and that even in this small source, criticism of what is and isn't lolita is brought up multiple times should tell you that it's a common discussion and something a lot of lolitas expected publically. Otherwise they wouldn't have complained about it in the first place. There were no 'vibe checks' in the fucking 00s.
No. 590654
>>590581that anon wasn't agreeing with you kek they were responding to a completely different poster. way to self-own while attempting to diss other people's reading comprehension.
seriously you're not winning any prizes or friends trying to act like a pompous (and misinformed) authority figure in an anonymous thread. pony up something better than an 2chan thread where the Japanese posters are all in agreement that other people's standards or 'rules' aren't worth limiting your coords by. I'd be fine with acknowledging 'maybe I misremembered because it's been 20+ years' (oldfag vs oldfag rn) if you actually could show us what you're talking about but 'the Japanese !!!must!!! have come up with the rules bc once a Japanese lolita criticized another's outfit' is a nothingburger of an argument. Doesn't even feel worth continuing the debate at this point because you've clearly chosen your hill to die on here.
No. 590664
>>590654>that anon wasn't agreeing with you kek they were responding to a completely different posterYes, misquoting the wrong person is a thing on imageboards.
>trying to act like a pompous (and misinformed)>Doesn't even feel worth continuing the debate at this point because you've clearly chosen your hill to die on here.It was you who claimed the rules aka the anatomy of a lolita coord is just something all of us evil westeners (you included btw) just made up with no source other than your feelings. I showed you an example of japanese lolitas already having a broader consensus on what is and isn't lolita which the 2channer was complaining about in 2001. Years before any of us westeners even had access to any lolita. I also named other examples you can research yourself. The projection going on is fucking insane. Agreed with the other nonna, just go back.
No. 590665
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What's everyone favorite jewelry? I'm looking for more recs. Also If anyone has bought from Sheglit, how would you rate their jewelry? I have my eye on a couple of their necklaces and rings.
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>>590665I make jewelry, but also do a lot of my jewelry shopping at antique malls. You can find a lot of unique brooches specifically. I always think antique shopping for shoes/accessories/bags is good for classic and gothic wardrobes, it helps your style feel more organic and "you." Mariedauphine is a good example of that, I don't know if she wears lolita anymore but she always knew how to mix antique elements with EGL in a way that felt cohesive.
No. 590723
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Is there any brand dresses with four leaf clovers on them? I keep looking and the closest I can find is ones with poker motifs.
No. 590739
>>590664>the origin of the rules is indisputably Japanese and you, idiot, would know that if you only did your research!>ok so cite your sources>A 2chan thread where everyone agrees they don't GAF!>that's not very convincing evidence>Well you only think that because you're STUPID and probably a zoomer! I shouldn't even have to provide sources, just believe me because I say so.this
this is you. this is what you sound like.
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>>590665I love anything that has a key, crown, or clock motif. Most of my jewelry is from Aatp/Baby, BPN, and Jane Marple. I also recently purchased Sheglit's Royal Crown Ring and Alexis Key Necklace.
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oops, dropped my pic.
>>590665I have some pieces from Regal Rose that I really like, picrel (the one set in gothic windows). Their cathedral themed jewelry is perfect for Gothic prints.
>>590725Neant's process is impressive but I wish she'd do more than those coffin rosaries because they look like cheap resin pieces from afar. The glass inset isn't really apparent until you're closer/handling it.
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>>590723Picrel -
https://lolibrary.org/items/indie-melody-basket-lily-of-the-valley-blouse-op and IW's collaboration with Tsuchida Yutaka both have 4-leaf clovers.
Not four-leaf as far as I know, but ETC also released a Bunny Clover print recently. It seems to be 3-leaf, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 4-leaf hidden somewhere in the print because that type of detail seems on brand for them.
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>>590764otome hasn't been a thing for a while now, and even then, it's more like this picrel (also a clover piece) than those recommendations. are you looking for more ap or meta style sweet? happy garden from ap has clover, but not prominently
No. 590781
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Nonas, do you like/wear any particular J-fashion outside of lolita? Do you see any overlap/influences, or is lolita very separate to you?
I love dolly kei/mori kei, and mori was the first j-fashion I actively wore way back when (probably over a decade ago). Those styles still influence my daily wear a lot, and even though I wear gothic lolita, I see a lot of influence from dolly kei and mori in the way I layer textures and choose shoes and accessories.
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>>590783Me too nona. The curation and the way the store was styled was just insanely next level. Sure, you can find similar pieces at antique stores and thrift stores, but I can't imagine how magical it was to actually shop there.
No. 590823
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>>590770Leaning more towards meta sweet, I’m thinking now I just might coord it with this baby JSK I have, put an apron over it and add clover themed accessories.
No. 590928
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>>590823this is such a cute theme, it feels like wicker/straw accessories would also mesh great with this JSK although that might be veering too much into country-lolita for your taste. this made me long for the coordinate-making anons of /cgl/ long past lol. i would say we should start one here but the community is small enough that i worry that you'd accidentally give yourself away as 'lolcow browser' at a meetup if you followed any of our advice.
>>590787this, it's like how any other alternative subculture in the west would look at you oddly if you asked 'what are the rules of this fashion'. They'd likely say something like, 'you just know it when you see it, there are no 'rules'.' westerners were the ones obsessing over whether certain criteria was fulfilled (and making up lists of said criteria on their blogs during the LJ days) in order to be a 'real lolita coord'…but it also feels like the backlash against that is what has actually resulted in the decline of overall coord quality amongst the younger generation because now absolutely any con-crit is interpreted as rude and mean-spirited (unless it is specifically requested and idek the last time i've seen that happen.)
>>589701 has it right, once people get past the newbie stage they generally don't need handholding and start experimenting but it's the ones who come in with the attitude of 'i don't need rules, i'm going to experiment all i want and probably revolutionize your stupid cutesy feminine niche fashion' that the rules were meant to guard against. i remember gifrel being quite popular in the early 2010's but in retrospect maybe we encouraged them too much.
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>>590928>any other alternative subculture in the west would look at you oddly if you asked 'what are the rules of this fashion'.I'm probably terribly out of the loop but what other subcultures are there in the west that are based around a fashion style first and foremost? Closest I can think of is the Red Hat Society, and I don't know if I'd call it fashion-based when all they wear is purple dresses and red hats. I know some biker subcultures do have rules where you can only wear certain things a certain way/order or after having had a certain experience, but again, not fashion-based. It seems lolita and other j-fashions like gyaru and mori are the only fashion subcultures I can think of, apart from maybe the hypebeast sneakerhead type guys, but are they a subculture or just a group of friends that likes the same clothing trends? Cottagecore and dark academia were trendy fashions for a bit, but not alternative and they were just fashion trends without any sort of subculture attached more than posting "aesthetic" images online, and it seems most people have moved on from those.
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>>591030I haven't caught up on the Techwear subculture in a while but it seems like it's still active. At least from a snapshot of their reddit group, it seems like they was to stay true to their aesthetic and legit brands. The only other group that I can think of would be skaters, particularly thrasher-heads, who are anal about nonskaters wearing thrasher and other skater brands like oddfuture
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I'm sorry to post something so off-topic but fucking kek this entire screenshot is sending me. The "search for work" google alert with the retarded post is so funny.
No. 591150
>>590928>it feels like wicker/straw accessories would also mesh great with this JSK although that might be veering too much into country-lolita for your tasteNo actually I dig that idea! I think I'd want it to be a boater hat though.
Gonna start making a coord collage now haha.
No. 591177
>>590781Dolly kei's so good. I
love Cult party kei, it might be up there with EGL but i haven't had the chance to do a CPK coord so far
No. 591187
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>>590823Any ideas for tights/socks?
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>>591187I don't wear sweet, so feel free to disregard, but I think a brown shoe in a similar style might ground this coord better than white? I see what you're going for, with a more cutesy modern-looking shoe to play off the bag, so not suggesting a very classic-style narrow brown leather deal, but maybe something similar to picrel. I think the stark white makes the whites in the apron and OP look odd, and having an earth-toned shoe with the earth-toned straw hat helps sandwich the coord.
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>>591215Samefagging to add that when I see these images stacked, these shoes are clearly too dark. My bad kek, a tone similar to this would probably work better!
No. 591227
>>591214>This is so cute, nonaThank you!
I have green floral tights that I was thinking about pairing with it but they might be a bit too dark.
>>591215>>591216I actually quite like this idea, I more just put the shoes in for filler but I'm pretty open to any type, I agree that brown would also go better into the country elements of the coord.
No. 591256
>>591187I see what you're going for with your posts leading up to this but what you currently have is a tad busy. The bright green glittery vinyl pool bag is distracting. The hat is more mature and classic-leaning with the cameo, whereas the bag is a decidedly sweeter and more childish piece. A straw/wicker basket bag with muted artificial flowers would tie the hat in more. I agree with
>>591216 on swapping out the shoes. Keep in mind the JSK is bustled, so there's a lot of unbalanced white: the long sleeved blouse, apron, hem of the JSK, bustle and heart buckle shoes. The apron also seems like a warm white while the shoes are a cold white. The pieces are individually cute, but not the most cohesive when paired together. I would recommend picking out a main piece first and foremost as a starting point instead of building upon accessories and motifs.
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>>591256I actually really like the green vinyl bag, I just think it needs more chunky plastic-y accessories to go with it. Hard agree on the brown shoes
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>>591187might just be my monitor but be careful with those colors because the dress seems like it's more of a cool pastel green and the accessories look like they're all leaning towards warm saturated yellow-greens. i agree with
>>591256 about the importance of matching your whites but would also like to recommend that you look for a waist apron instead of a full pinafore. Because of the placement of the dark green bows on the JSK bodice, it seems like the shoulder straps would have difficulty laying flat - plus, exposing the dark green bows will allow you to play with richer shades of green throughout the coord. also maybe try looking for some more vintage accessories to match the country lolita vibe. the purse is cute, but the plastic material does make it feel more like a lunchbox than a handbag. picrel has a couple of bags/jewelry pieces i found on etsy/ebay just now which would be suitable imo. i also think you don't need to go overboard with the socks but some texture on the legs would be a good decision.
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>>591326Are you joking? That's a plastic toy necklace that would be in the dollar store for st. patricks day, and this is a pool bag for small children
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>>591370Well I didn't mean that necklace exactly, just something green and plastic to go with the vibe of the bag if OP is fixated on using it. There's not a lot of plastic AP jewelry in green.
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>>591370>>591377OP here, please don't fight over this guys! I'm open to all ideas and I just generally like seeing people throw them around in the thread itself.
I understand the bag isn't to everyone's tastes but I'm just really into the design currently (though the basket is also very cute so I'll likely do multiple clover coords)
Had to switch out the necklace from the one in my original pic because I can't import it, but luckily I found one I like better with this cat.
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>>591187>>591384Since you're coording around the bag I don't think the dress works at all. The shade of green is too different- the bag is highly saturated while the dress is a bluer toned less saturated color. Even it were darker/lighter it doesn't work. I'd either make the rest of the coord plainer and use the bag as a statement piece, or lean into the gaudy neon heisei retro look. I think AP 2010 sweet best matches the design and saturation, but it'd also work with a white dress + tie in with gold.
Out of what you've chosen so far, I don't think the hat matches the bag, but it works with the dress. The hairpin has the too blue toned problem but it isn't too bad. Most clover jewelry that's been posted so far matches the dress but not the bag, I'd honestly look for gold jewelry instead of clover jewelry (or vibrant pink/yellow AP jewelry). The two gold necklaces are sold out but Jane Marple has a ton of similar ones. The cat necklace and the baby shoes seem fine, though I agree you should buy some brown ones. Ultimately I really don't think the bag works with the dress.