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No. 200981

Please keep posts focused on women and female homosexuality! If you want to talk about attraction toward males it probably belongs in the bisexuality thread or questioning thread (check the catalog, they're usually not on the front page but I promise they exist!). Please ignore obvious bihet/troon/tradthot/etc rage bait as well.

Topics of discussion may include but are not limited to:
>first crush?
>what’s your local lesbian scene like?
>cute stories about your gf
>favourite lesbian media? lesbian media you hate?
>coming out stories
>are there any cows you’d uhaul with?
>bitch about being lonely
>tips for coping with being lonely
>butch? femme? how do you feel about labels?
>top? bottom? how do you feel about those labels?
>what's your type?
>how did you know you were gay?
>which lesbian stereotypes do you fit? which ones don’t fit you at all?
>what were you like as a kid? tomboy? girly girl who made her Barbies kiss?
>what do you wanna be like as an old lady lesbian?
>get mushy and describe your dream relationship/date/etc
>best date/match? worst?
>how homophobic are your family/friends? is it woke homophobia or oldschool homophobia?
>dating app horror stories
>f/f fanfic recs (pls)

previous threads:
#1- >>>/g/132141
#2- >>>/g/174105

No. 200990

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Again? I wonder if we've had an influx of male users or something. Nta btw. I did report it though.

No. 200991

Pretty sure there is. The chris schan drama was all over reddit so if people looked him up it could've easily led them here

No. 200998

Imagine talking shit about bisexuality and then get surprised when people are angry at lesbians for being biphobic. Sexuality isn’t static or pure I don’t know what goes through your fuckheaded mind that women must be lesbian or btfo, does that make any sense?

No. 201002

It's the fact the poster immediately assumed it was a lesbian who said it (when it wasn't, apparently). When you flip your shit like that and immediately fire at lesbians it just sounds like you've got something against them.

No. 201011

What thread was this

No. 201012


No. 201016

I’m bi lol but I hate this trend of being homophobic to lesbians so much and calling them incels because they don’t sleep with men. Men will stick their dick between two hotdog buns and lesbian porn is the most popular genre but lesbians are the incels because they're not attracted to men? When was the last time this anon licked a pussy? Sometimes I think “bi woman” is code for homophobic on lolcow.

No. 201018

has anyone been to the last surviving lesbian bars in the USA? there's a lesbian bar in a nearby city and i think it's been rebranded to be "inclusive/lgbtq++" i'm thinking of giving it a shot since i've had no luck on dating apps. i've never been to a bar tho, lmao

No. 201019

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Anyone have a similar experience of being a teen/preteen and being abnormally obsessed with an actress, watching her filmography, collecting pictures, etc, and your mom allowed and even encouraged it because she thought “aw, she has a style idol/role model.” Well guess what Ma, 13-year-old didn’t keep a plastic binder of printed out Nicole Kidman movie stills because I wanted to dress like her. (In the year of our lord 2021 my mother has since looked back at that time and connected the dots. Bless her)

No. 201032

I think he called lesbians incles because of the idea that some lesbians may be angry at bi women in the sense of 'why would this bi girl rather fuck a man than be with me'

No. 201034

just to clarify, I don't agree with that scroteposter. This is just my interpretation of what I think he was trying to say in regards to calling lesbians incels

No. 201043

Yes because it's only lesbians that are pissed off by some bi womens antics. It couldn't possibly be that maybe straight women are sick of your shit too.
>Sometimes I think “bi woman” is code for homophobic on lolcow.
It's starting to look that way. I genuinely think if it's not scrotes it's homophobes lying about being bi so they can start shit.

No. 201044

I've been celibate so long but my best "move" was offering a massage to the girl I was interested in. If we were watching tv or whatever, I'd just lightly rub her back or shoulders and ask if she wanted me to massage. So she'd sit on my lap or lay on her stomach while I did it, which usually led to her taking her shirt/bra off for me to reach better. I just love having someone relax under me and feel taken care of. god i'm lonely

No. 201047

that's exactly the meaning of the lescel term/meme. a kiwifarms thread will confirm that and provide many examples.

No. 201053

leswhat? I searched the term on Kiwifarms and it's only one sperg in the shipping thread obviously projecting his/her own insecurities into lesbians and how they're seething over straight/bi girls not being into them. Lesbians don't even want to date straight/bihet girls for obvious reasons so this "lescel" concept just stinks of the good old "y-you must hate me because you WANT me!!!" predatory lesbian meme straight people push. How tiring.

No. 201055

I think she means the Nice Gals thread. But honestly KF seems to generally hate lesbians so some of the recent nonsense here is a possible result of migration. They even have beef with women shipping female characters together too much.

And honestly I don't enjoy being called a whore/slut or cockbreath as a febfem, but if it doesn't apply bisexuals should just keep scrolling. Lesbians are shit on and should be able to lash out if they need to.

No. 201056

Not a lesbian, just popped in to say that I love the consistently vintage thread pics OP always picks. They are very atmospheric

No. 201059

Other bi anon here (not a febfem either) and I agree with you, but I think another likely scenario is that /tttt/ posters visit these threads to troll similar to the /clg/ on 4chins like the bait posted here > 201044 I think there are definitely some homophobic bi anons on lolcow but some of the really obvious stuff reeks of /tttt/

No. 201063

Sucks because these threads stay untouched for the most part (compared to snow or even ot.

I think lc has a lesbophobia problem about as much as it has a biphobia problem tbh. People are able to say what they want here and that's gonna result in people shitting on each other, like I hate to shrug it off like that but it's just site culture.

No. 201069

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Thanks for the thread "recommendation", I think the opening post alone gave me brain damage and made me unironically heterophobic. A collective of non-lesbians seething over a girl making a "straight people am i right" meme or a "you might just be gay" joke on Tumblr. I'm sorry someone on Twitter headcanoned your favourite childrens' cartoon character as a lesbian I guess. That's totally on the level of incels shooting up a sorority because stacey didn't fuck them.

Imagine posting pic related as some "proof" of how awful and milky these "lescels" are when it's the exact opposite of wanting to fuck straight girls and on manifesto-chan levels of based, kek

No. 201072

Agreed, I love them and they make it easy to pick out the lesbian thread at a glance too. Hope we continue the tradition with every thread.

Yeah especially the dating related stuff clearly attracts a lot of extremely bitter people. wlw dating pool is tiny, we all struggle with dating to an extent. I try to take anons with a grain of salt and just report bait.

Speaking of which, I met a woman who doesn't do the stupid ~queer~ shit and looks incredibly beautiful. She's around my age and single (Feels like the single women in my city are always too young or too old). I'm so excited about her!

No. 201084

>get mushy and describe your dream relationship/date/etc
I've spent my entire shift so far imagining this very specific scenario where this really sweet, shy butch woman tries to take me to a bar for our first date but it's closed so instead we go to the grocery store and get a bunch of snacks and booze and have a picnic in the back of her truck and we spend literally the entire evening together and then at night she goes down on me under the stars and it's perfect.

No. 201119

I feel like I'm developing a biphobia problem but I can't help it. I'm surrounded by young "bi" women who talk to me like we're the same but they literally all have boyfriends. I live in a very "LGBT friendly" area, but it's all gay men and bi women dating men. A smart part of me hates that being "gay" has become cool, I know that makes me a bad person. I'd almost rather be seen as an other and have a real community with people like me than be culturally accepted with no community other than spicy straights who infiltrate every gay space

No. 201124

I'm having the same problem. My partner and I are trying to make more lesbian friends as we've both had some heavy stuff going on that's made us recede from former social circles so it's very hard going back into "queer" spaces in search of lesbians. Firstly, half the fucking dykes have trooned out. A butch like me is starting to be seen as a bit of a relic from the past. Then of course there's the influx of wlw sapphics who can only kiss women when drunk and never actually have sex with them. There's bihets screeching about how they're still part of the community and how it's totally ok to bring Nigel along to the gay bar, he's not fetishising lesbians or anything, it's allyship! He's showing you his support! Oh and how could I forget the newly trooned out midlife crisis men and their poor handmaiden wives. It's bleak as fuck. We use bumble too but mostly get butthurt messages from bi women who don't like that we're seeking lesbian friends only. How dare we desire sisterhood with women who share an intimate understanding of our lives and our struggles! Fuck me, just shoot me already. At this rate I think my fiancée and I will just become hermits again. Gay becoming cool was a fucking mistake. This is not acceptance, this is commodification and fetishisation.

No. 201129

I keep seeing lesbian couples on Bumble BFF but they never match with me. Maybe I need to put LESBIAN in my bio instead of just the rainbow flag but I am not fully out and some of my relatives use the same app, don't want to spell it out too much yet… I thought the flag but no pronouns would be enough to signal.

No. 201130

Honestly we do look for specific mentions of lesbianism but no pronouns is good. Pronouns are an immediate red flag to us and other lesbians we have met on there say the same thing. Everyone and their mother has the rainbow flag in their bios so it's getting hard to spot each other out there. Maybe slip in something from a Sappho poem or something? It's a very lesbian thing to do but if your relatives see it you can just say you like the poem. Any other ladies in here got ideas about subtle ways to flag other lesbians down?

No. 201131

> Any other ladies in here got ideas about subtle ways to flag other lesbians down?
Labrys flag maybe? Straights generally don't recognize it and imo it's the only good lesbian flag.

No. 201137

I actually had mention of sappho on my bio before but then thought maybe it looked too "sapphic" rather than gay. I won't be fully out until I sort some things out and maybe I just don't deserve to meet the cool lesbian friends of my dreams until I do…

No. 201143

imo, when it comes to the pronoun thing it varies, i know a lot of normies who aren't deep into gender stuff but want to be supportive will have "oh, i'm a she/her" but if it's anything deeper like she/they i'm out

No. 201161

I'd definitely be interested in making friends with other lesbians. I'm married, but I don't have any other friends, and since I'm an artist I am constantly swimming in a woke hellhole since most artist spaces have been taken over by those types.

I have a pride flag but no pronouns in my twitter bio in the vain hope that another lesbian will see it like a bat signal and we can be friends. kek

No. 201173

I'm an artist as well, same with my bio. Maybe we'll run into each other in the wild!

No. 201209

Pride flag + peach?
A literal "gay ass".
Probably silly though, it's just the first thing that came to mind.

No. 201211


I keep a line from one of Sappho's fragments in my bios, along with stating that I love lavender and violets. Subtle, but unmistakable if you know of lesbian imagery and poetry.

Also, where to find normie lesbians online? I'm tired of only meeting highly political women who focus on discourse and activism. It sucks that everything has to be so fucking deep all the time, I just wanna go for a walk together in the woods, watch a movie, go for coffee, talk about our day… That kinda stuff.

No. 201229

Fuck yes! The tradition of vintage op pics lives on. <3

No. 201230

No. 201258

Same and it's so depressing. My gf will come home and say "so and so from work is bi! She has a boyfriend…" and it just feels so obvious, but it's biphobic to point it out so I just don't say anything usually lol. Every time I casually mention a girlfriend, some normie looking straight girl will mention how she's queer 'too' and then quickly add "I have a bf rn tho lol", it's like the no homo of wannabe spicy straights.
I literally refuse to participate in all forms of lgbt groups bc it's exactly how you said. Literally the only other lesbian in my circle trooned out a year ago and just got on hormones. There's transbians lurching through the shadows. And so many mushroom complexioned they/thems and their bf's and their matching neon undercuts. It's just so tiresome. Why bother? At least I can be gc online.

No. 201259

>some normie looking straight girl will mention how she's queer 'too' and then quickly add "I have a bf rn tho lol"

You could innocently ask if they’ve ever banged a woman, with or without the bf present pls no lesbophobic trolls in response to this i’m a febfem who finds it cathartic to vent here

No. 201282

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you guyyyyys, any of you see the movie Ammonite on Hulu? It's so hot omg.
Also there's a lesbian Molly Shannon romcom about Emily Dickinson called Wild Nights With Emily that's cute and honestly pretty hot to meeee.
My sexy, beautiful wife of 8 years is out of town :(
I need more hot lesbian media to make these 2 weeks go by faster :((:()

No. 201289

integrate better newfag

No. 201291

Lurk more before you post or you'll get banned. But check out Gentleman Jack, it's a TV series based on a real historical lesbian

No. 201294

You type like a transbian trying to sound ~ uwu femme uwu ~. Lurk moar and integrate or dilate and seethe.

No. 201298

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No. 201624

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Love this picture of her, dunno why though.

No. 201636

are you attracted to her?

No. 201654

Yeah, but I like femininity usually. Never expected to find the off duty masc vibe appealing

No. 201688

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Yes! looking back, I was way too interested in Gillian Anderson and Tilda Swinton kek

No. 201971

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Kinda the same but with t.A.T.u., especially Yulia (picrel, the one with short hair). I remember having an HDD dedicated solely to photos, videos, and music of them, which I proudly showed off. Took my mother a few years to realize too lol, she genuinely thought I just really liked their “rebel” style or something

No. 202004

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I have no idea how to flirt with other girls or when women are really flirting with me. It sucks cause I see girls I think are really cute and my type but I always hesitate to say anything to them because I just assume they're either straight with a andro leaning style or in a relationship already or sum. I don't want to come onto them or pester them like scrotes do. Usually the only compliments I get are from older ladies but I wonder if other girls also just keep compliments to themselves if they see someone they like?

No. 202021

Is there an appropriate thread for me to post cute vintage lesbian pics?

No. 202049

Nonnies I need to vent and I don't want to do it in the vent thread because I don't need homophobic hettie bullshit in my face for this. Any other GNC lesbians just fantasizing about trooning out to not feel like a freak, it's a fact that "straight" FTMs are socially much more accepted than masculine lesbian women. Every time I so much as smile at a woman I feel like a borderline rapist but at the same time I just wish I had someone I could be intimate with because I haven't felt physical human contact in ages sans friendly, platonic hugs.

I truly can't stand how I've been memed into believing that no other lesbians than beautiful femmes need to apply and that I might as well go full Aiden instead of continuing to live as what I am. And it's not like I don't have any appeal because women do find me attractive but I'm apparently more suitable for a fleeting girlcrush than a serious partner. Especially after a bihet girl proudly told me that she'd fuck me if I was a man, apparently believing it was a compliment. I hate my life and often wish I was straight instead of a fucking novelty.

No. 202050

I know how you feel, anon. I'm fucking 30 and STILL I consider trooning out. I've always been butch, and combined with being well over 6'0, fridge bodied and muscular it's painted a target on my back my whole life. Even here where I come to escape I see the same lesbophobic sentiments, I hate it! If it weren't for my fiancée I think I would've done it by now. Having someone love my masculinity as a woman is very healing. But it's also not a miracle cure. I can't tell you that the desire to troon out will go away, but it can get better. It just takes a lot of fucking effort to find the right surroundings for yourself, the right people. It's not much, but as a fellow GNC woman let me tell you I fucking love masculine women. We're a gift to the world, let's be real. The attractive elements of scrotehood on someone who isn't actually a scrote? Perfection. Keep on being you, anon. Stay strong. We're in this together and we gotta keep fighting the troonpill. Sorry if this reply doesn't make sense, I'm whacked out on medication.

No. 202052

This definitely helped out to hear that I'm not alone because I don't know a lot of GNC women myself. I'm also 30 and by this age most of them either trooned out or gave up and feminized themselves to make their lives a bit easier. I understand their decisions but neither works for me, I don't want to live as a balding manlet with a frog voice and whenever I try to present more femininely I instantly become uncomfortable with the attention I get from men.
>The attractive elements of scrotehood on someone who isn't actually a scrote? Perfection.
Totally, I love GNC women and I've always found them super inspirational while I hate moids which is why I find it so sad that I've had to come this far without anyone to share these feelings with.
>6ft fridge body and muscular
Kek anon that's literally my dream body, I'm only like 5'5" and wish I was able to build muscle. You sound awesome.

No. 202061

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>get a message from cute girl on Tinder
>Happy someone else writes first for once
>"Anon you look so much like xxx and thats the best compliment i could ever give"
>I dont recognize the celebrity she is referencing so i Google the name
>Its a troon

No. 202103

What's with zoomer (I'm a zoomer myself, but on the older side) lesbians and embracing gay male stereotypes? It's weird as hell seeing young lesbians calling themselves fruity or making limp wrist jokes. Even worse when those stereotypes are just offensive (usually straight) female tropes applied to men like weak, can't drive, can't do math etc. On the other hand, I'm also seeing more and more often gaydens trying to imitate lesbians while clumsily appropriating gay male culture (like insisting bear/twink are the male version of butch/femme, creating terms like mlm, vincian, achillean as male counterparts to wlw, lesbian, sapphic). What the hell is going on.

No. 202115

I often wish I was a male but I refuse to troon. I know I will be even more dysphoric about my appearance(feminine body, short, round face) and I'll never look how I want. I love gnc woman and I think we are important, but it's just fucking hard not being accepted anywhere as your true self.

No. 202131

Fellow older zoomer here, it's tumblr/twitter/tiktok disease at work. Pure poison.

No. 202174

dont forget the weird obsession with top/bottom labelling even though it doesnt make sense at all

No. 202184

Can someone console me pls. I saw my old school friend for the first time in 2 years and it turns out two of the friends she made at university (who I met too) are a really cute lesbian couple. Now I'm a) immensely jealous of them, imagine being able to live together and share a bedroom with your gf at an elite college at only 20/21, ideal lifestyle, and b) irrationally a bit pissed about being replaced as the 'lesbian friend', bc it sounds stupid but I always imagined bringing MY future gf to meet this group of old school friends instead and being the one in the group in a happy relationship, and now I feel like they're living out my dreams in real life before I've really had a chance to get started or to have an adult social life (locked down for a year while they had in person uni, will be at home for another year, no driving license so can't meet women properly for months rn until i have the chance to get one)

They were doing a lot of PDA out in the open and had my ideal relationship dynamic pretty much, I felt like a pervert for even looking and envying what they had even though others looked and openly commented. It didn't help that my friend wasn't really interested in catching up with the rest of us. It's making me reassess the way I treat reality/fantasy atm, so something good has come out of this…

Sorry didn't know whether to put this in vent thread or lesbian thread, but hopefully this group will be able to connect to it a bit better? How would you feel about this situation, am I being irrational rn?

No. 202189

I guess it comes along with the strap-on obsession. Good for those who like them, but it's annoying how you can't even talk about pussy anymore because "not all women have vaginas!!!"

No. 202200

I kind of like the top/bottom thing because it makes it easy to avoid women who don't reciprocate kek. Normalize bottoms disclosing it on their dating profiles so we can block on sight.

No. 202249

Yeah, I have the same opinion, but one anon in the prev thread said that it is also helpful for strap on sex to find out compatible partner. I believe her but I also believe that majority of “bottoms” rn are not talking about straps but being lazy in relationship in general, just listen how they talk about their perfect dates and girls.

No. 202274

thanks for the kek anon, switch supremacy is truly the way forward

No. 202290

Oh, I can understand you anon. This is kinda why my fantasies about future are set in like 20+ years from now. Idk if this is relevant but I both have felt jealous towards many lesbian couples (esp if they are my age) and also felt left behind..like in a way where I had people both irl and online “on my level” as in people with messy lives but once they move on and get better without me I feel like I will forever stay in this dark hole but now completely alone..um I think I went a little off with the last one kek
Anyway you can feel jealous of them and you can feel sad and left out, the modern culture of “if you feel a single negative emotion, you are toxic” is stupid as fuck

No. 202668

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“A lesbian is a non-man who is exclusively attracted to other non-men”

So men get gay but lesbian has to be shared with all the transgenders and gender specials? The comments are full of “meanings of words change and you can use whatever label you like”

We really can’t have anything, and if we try to say it’s putting us in danger they cry bigot. I’m not into TIMs. I’m not into they/thems. I’m a woman who is exclusively into women. All the way to those two X chromosomes.

I’m tired ladies.

No. 202669

why isn't everyone coming down on men who say they won't fuck tifs

No. 202670

Bleak shit like this makes me want to become a trans4trans he/him transman with no HRT or surgeries who only dates other pre-everything transmen. The only loophole to avoid this shit, I now understand why so many of my lesbian friends took this route.

No. 202671

We need to go back to calling ourselves homosexuals. The word itself directly references same-sex attraction so there's no way to argue about the definition.

No. 202701

I've been doing that for a couple years now. No gay, no lesbian, just homosexual. Nice clear definition. I only call myself a lesbian among other lesbians once I know they're sane and not TRAs.

No. 202712

sorry if wrong thread but I have a question for butches, if you catch a femme/straight looking woman you don't know staring at you, do you usually assume she's being judgemental or that she's attracted to you? Is it obvious if shes staring with thirst or not, if she's around your own age?

No. 202719

not an answer to your question but nicole kidman is just too fucking hot in that movie. great movie too, very cosy

No. 202727

I always assume it's disgust because it usually is kek. There is a certain look though, a general "longing gaze". Thing is I'm autistic so I barely recognise it, let alone have the capacity to explain it, but I'll give it go for you. I would look at how the women smile, if they do, that's very important. When women who are attracted to me have stared at me some give me an almost mischievous grin, their eyes light up with it too. Sometimes the more brazen ones will nod their head at you or even wink. If it's a woman who was judging you the smile will be very stiff and reserved, something she's just doing to try and diffuse the situation because you caught her staring. Also I would say take note of what you're doing or wearing when being stared at. When I have the confidence to dress like a butch himbo and show off my muscles I get a lot more appreciative stares. But when I'm in stuff I lounge about in it's generally stares from people either disgusted by butch women or can't tell if I'm male or female.

No. 202744

I'm really gonna miss these threads if/when the site shuts down. This feels like the only comfy place for lesbians on the internet right now. Ovarit has a lesbian board but Ovarit is pretty NO FUN ALLOWED in general. Are any of you guys planning to migrate to CC? Might start a general there and see how it goes.

No. 202773

fuck, Gillian is my forever waifu. She gets better with age too

No. 202780

How is CC with lesbians? If it's more lesbophobic than this place then fuck it I ain't migrating. But if it's roughly the same or not as bad I'll definitely give it a go. I know there's meant to be trannies there but transbians are laughably clockable like >>201282 so I know I won't be conversing with any. I'd give another /lg/ thread a go there. Like you said, this feels like the only comfy place for lesbians online.

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Does anyone remember Alex Parks winner of Fame Academy? She signed a record deal and at the peak of popularity suddenly disappeared from the public eye and no ones know what the hell happened to her lol. It was pretty odd.

No. 202839

Damn, anon. You're really taking me back a few years here, I feel old as hell for remembering Fame Academy lol. I googled her and found this gossip rag article: https://heatworld.com/entertainment/tv-movies/fame-academy-where-now/
>Since the show she's fallen off the face of the planet. The star - who apparently now goes by the name Lexi Parks - released her second album Honesty in 2005 and rumour has it she was last spotted at the Music Sales Film & TV Songwriters Week with none other than The X Factor's Joe McElderry. Hmm.
Also found her twitter here: https://twitter.com/alexparksfa?lang=en
But no posts for a few years. Looks like she just faded into obscurity. Probably flipping burgers for minimum wage by now.

No. 202846

It's roughly the same and they have terf threads and such.

I assume it's disgust or discomfort unless she goes out of her way to smile at me or give me one of those knowing 'looks'. If it's someone my age I'm more likely to assume that she's into me or a fellow lesbian who's flagging.

No. 203315

Do you gyns think dyke voice is a thing the way gay voice is for men? The other day my neighbours had this woman visiting and I could hear them talking because the windows were open and her voice was really hot to me. Then I caught a glimpse of her when she left and she was pretty butch.

Idk if I can describe it and maybe I'm just crazy but it feels like dyke voice is a thing. Like speaking in a more direct/confident tone than het women tend to, less fawning/being nice, word choices that remind me of how working class men in my area talk.

No. 203357

Mmm yess, I like Katie Herzog’s voice for that reason. It’s a thing.

No. 203359

Can’t we all just start a thread on CC and migrate? I don’t want to lose you guys. The vibe here is pretty unique (albeit still being a bit less active) compared to other lesbian spaces online.

No. 203378

kek I would pay good money to hear her narrate the mtf thread. Especially manifesto-chan's posts.

No. 203380

I've always thought the way Laura Prepon talks on That 70s Show and on Orange Is The New Black is very dykey, I haven't seen how she speaks candidly in her interviews so I don't know if she sounds different in real life.

No. 203388

Make a thread

No. 203409

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Crossposted from mtf thread.

They really do just despise women and lesbians completely

No. 203410

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No. 203411

>"lesbians" who don't like women
so… gay men?

No. 203413

She's my ultimate crush and I'm so happy to hear she's no longer a Scientologist. If she comes out as gay it'd be very dangerous for me, my simping would know no limits.

No. 203415

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I have no words

No. 203429

Maybe it is a flag for transbians, they clearly hate women deep down

No. 203438

No. 203443

>lesbians who don't like women
like goldfish that ride bicycles

No. 203445

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if you don’t look like this don’t even speak to me.

No. 203880

sage for the rant-like post but tired of some users here just keeping waiting for a breach to be homophobic and type in "dyke" five times per post

No. 203889

I'm tired of people throwing that word around in general. Also women who just recently came out and instantly latch onto it. Chill out for a sec, you can't reclaim a word that was never even thrown at you while you lived as a straight woman for 20 years Mary. Earn it.

No. 204531

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Do anons know any lesbian movies with the same vibe as My Beautiful Laundrette?
I binge-watched Why Women Kill, April and Beth Ann are the best lesbian period piece couple.

No. 204675

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I told my mom about my tubal litigation surgery I’m going to have soon and her first response was “Why? Don’t you like women anyway?” It was hard for me to even bring up the conversation to her because she’s the foaming at the mouth for grandchildren type but oh lord it took everything in me not to laugh.

No. 204730

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I have a confession.

I see so many lesbians gushing about how Miss Honey was their childhood crush. Now I’m not sure it was a crush but… I was always more into Miss Trunchbull.

Am i fucked up or just into super scary butch women?

No. 204732

Tell us more

No. 204738

same anon.

i want her to yell at me like that.

goddamn. butches are great.

No. 204758

So I found out my work supervisor is also a lesbian via infertility jokes. Not ideal but definitely a win overall.

No. 204970

Any ideas for terfy dog whistles I can include in my Her profile? I see a lot of girls with neopronouns and "queer" included on their profiles so I wanna do what I can to attract like… lesbian-lesbians without getting myself banned for being exclusionary or "disrespectful" or whatever

No. 204985

>JK Rowling is my favourite author.

No. 204994

But then you might attract harry potter fans

No. 205036

>what’s your local lesbian scene like?
abysmal, I live in california

>bitch about being lonely

honestly I'm a slightly older gay so I'm married, but I really wish I had lesbian friends or even a place to meet up with other lesbians and chill. It's so bad here that this online thread is literally the only place I can find. If you have any online spaces that are for real lesbians, please tell me nonnas… I've considered those radfem discords that need voice approval, but idk I don't want to hang out in a charged political space.

>which lesbian stereotypes do you fit? which ones don’t fit you at all?

I love plaid (gingham in baby blue or pink especially), I own three cats, my wife wants to get a subaru (so that's in my future I guess), and recently I found out that even my fucking love of Hozier is a stereotype. god

>what do you wanna be like as an old lady lesbian?

Unapologetically misandrist and poisoning the minds of impressionable young girls with how wonderful women really are, while also giving away cookies.
And probably being a writer. I think I'd really love that.

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The sweetest. I watched it because of your comment, I was deceived though, considering they're not really a couple. (Though in my head they're very much together of course)

No. 205173

I was always so fascinated by beautiful women in cartoons as a child but never in a "yeah female representation" way but instead I found them attractive. Didn't realize until much later what it was about even though I knew I was a lesbian by the time I hit puberty.

Agree. A slur's a slur. The only people I actually see using the word "dyke" unironically these days are genuine homophobes and trannies which makes it even more offensive.

Honestly at this point I feel like simply not listing your pronouns is enough of a mating call.

No. 205179

i'm still bothered by how mainstream queer has gotten. especially now that it's being used by straight kids who just want to feel different.
in my head they raised April's daughter together in a boston marriage.

No. 205191

sage for tardposting but i have the biggest crush on someone who is off-limits in every way. shes straight, on the team with me, and shes crushing on a guy rn. im going to hang out with her tomorrow and i just hope we have a good time, platonically or not.

No. 205192

As long as you're aware of it, anon. It's okay to enjoy her company as a friend but don't expect anything else and set yourself up for heartbreak. At the same time, platonic female friendship is incredibly rewarding so good luck!

No. 205229

To the anons who have ONS and hookups with women you don't know: how do you protect yourselves from STDs and STIs?

No. 205258

Only use fingers and hands.

No. 205357

thanks anon, we ended up having a lot of fun, and i'm trying to accept the fact that we'll stay friends

No. 205381

How do you deal with feeling like lesbophobic stereotypes might be true? Like the one that lesbians are only lesbians because they're ugly and men don't want them, that lesbians only want to just date girls because they've been sexually traumatized by a man. Those two kind of get to me because all through my formative years puberty made me ugly as shit and I was always sort of resentful towards guys not because they wouldn't give me attention but because they were always my cruelest bullies. And I've never been raped but I once had a stalker who threatened to rape me, groped me, and flashed me. I can't imagine myself being anything other than gay but I've had people say these things to my face and I just don't know how to feel.

No. 205390

If either of those things were the case, literally every woman on the planet would be a lesbian. There isn't one woman who hasn't been sexually traumatised or made to feel ugly by men in some way or another.

If you haven't already done so, you should probably get some counselling to help process your sexual trauma anon. It could help you come to better terms with your sexuality and make you feel less ashamed of yourself. It sounds like your self esteem is in the toilet

No. 205434

I don't feel like the stereotypes are true because to feel that way I'd have to have an overly-negative, distorted view of myself. I bet you didn't deserve the bullying in school. Men pick on women that are GNC or gay or just disinterested in them, it's the only way they can stoke their egos. It wasn't your fault and it was not because you're ugly. Even if you were ugly, nobody deserves to be mocked for it.

No. 205450

I actually experienced the opposite in a way, I'm conventionally attractive and very feminine so I always got a lot of male attention and eventually that became the base of my self esteem. Even now that I'm completely certain that I'm a lesbian and not bi I still feel like I need male validation to build my self esteem, and at the same time I feel like pretty much all the women I'd like to date are too good, too beautiful, too x for me.
I wish the world in general could be less male-centric, but as lesbians it's insane that so much of our identities and self-worth is determined by men.
Anyways like >>205390 said, counselling is the best you can do for yourself in this situation.

No. 205489

the ugly one literally makes no sense because at least ugly women can get boyfriends easily, meanwhile getting a girlfriend is almost impossible already, add on being ugly and you basically have to resign yourself to being a cat lady

the sexual trauma part I cannot say, but I've read it can affect people to go either direction (your case is not uncommon with women and I don't think this would have affected your sexuality)

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Just want a normie masc girlfriend oh my gooooood.

No. 205614

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Hi, clown reporting in.

For the past two/three years I tried conversion therapy on myself. Clownery such as:

>Subliminal brainwashing tracks to become heterosexual

>watch straight show instead of gay show. I went cold turkey on my vampire yandere yuri manga etc
>Changing my inner monologue, so I would say "wow, man, so handsome" when I saw a man so I would start finding them attractive
>Not looking at women who are attractive or thinking about women in the wrong way
>If I accidentally got put into a mood by seeing a woman I would instantly replace the mental image with what I thought was a 'sexy' man, so I could associate males the feeling and become male attracted.
>Finding 'straight role models', inspirational straight women, romanticising straight relationships and finding examples of terrible gay relationships
>Kinning straight women fictional characters
>Acting feminine, wearing dresses (upon advice that this would make me more straight)
>Not thinking ANY thoughts of a sexual nature
>Trying to justify why I was this way
>stopped listening to homosexual music and media

Now I know none of you ladies asked for a blogpost (so this is saged), but two months ago I got tired of self hating and self fighting. I used to pretend to be girls' boyfriends as a kid, and drew women (in that way), and never saw anything interesting about men, but only saw them as a duty towards family building and a status symbol. It's been nice to stop fighting myself, to realise that I want to do nothing with men and regret hiding myself as a homosexual.

But the thing is, it doesn't feel real. I have felt like this for a long time, and never used to question it, or label it. But even now, I look at any man and feel nothing, only the feeling 'you're secretly attracted to them', or get the feeling 'it's just a phase', or 'it's a mental illness you're choosing not to recover from' or 'homosexual relationships serve no purpose'. Because of spending so long trying to 'find my straight self', I still feel uncomfortable with who I am. It feels fake, even though only women put me in a daze, I feel like a liar and that I could turn around and go back to trying to be virtuous. And I feel like I'm less of a woman, but someone pretending to be a woman. I feel cut off and know nobody like me, aside from the ex girlfriend I ignored because of guilt (it was very mean of me).

I'm not sure what I'm asking for here, neither are you, probably, in this word salad. I just know who I am, but have that residual feeling that I'm a fake, and that remaining guilt that tugs at me from time to time. It's a little uncomfortable, accepting a life that not everyone I know will like, and may not be as comfortable for someone who wants to build a family one day. There's also a greater chance of loneliness, and the feeling of being cut off from other women, belonging, and womanhood. I don't know how to finally feel at ease with myself. No more guilt, self doubt, self disgust. And I'm scared too, I can't lie.

I appreciate having this space as I have nowhere in real life to feel understood in this way, and have got just as much wisdom as idiocy from this website. I'm sorry if this was offensive to those who have similar burdens as me.

tl;dr self conversion therapy left me feeling confused for no reason, and guilty when i logically do not believe i should be. i feel lost and alone.

No. 205639

I don't relate to the whole self-conversion thing but I'd like you to know you're not along in feeling anxious, isolated, misunderstood. Most of us go through feelings like that and I want you to know it gets better. It all gets better. You will grow stronger in time and forge deep connections with people you trust.

The feeling like less of a woman bit was interesting to me. I wonder if fakebois get made that way.

No. 205682

Thanks queen. I hope it does, and I really appreciate knowing that it's not a unique experience for us, seeing as I can't tell anyone irl oops

interesting and believable idea. the idea of having characteristics associated with the opposite sex making you one of them is so regressive and harmful though, i always get sad when i hear about younger girls going fakeboi because we're all less sure of ourselves at that age

No. 205695

Is it normal to feel isolated as a femme because I feel like everyone assumes I'm straight? I don't even know how I'd go about meeting anyone, but I'm happy being femme. Why isn't that allowed.

No. 205722

i looked very femme for a while and i got so sick of people telling me “you don’t look like a lesbian” i feel u anon.

now i’ve cut my hair but instead of looking butch i’ve got girl face and worried people will think i’m a gender special.

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being a lesbian is so hard i have a crush on my best friend whos straight and dating this guy but she still does those flirtatious "just girly things" like buying matching necklaces,'slow dancing' in the locker room, and hugging me all the time oh my god just kiss me already

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I've recently admitted to myself that I like to suffer. I gravitate towards women that make me act like an idiot and I get to suffer pining for them. I love the melancholy, I love the rush of hope when she graces me with her attention. I am a confident person but I want to be disarmed by her.
It's even better when I also kinda hate her. I go nuts.

No. 205751

Do you any of guys have any experience with incurious straight girls? I never meet any other lesbians in LGBT spaces so I figure I might be able to just invent one instead

No. 205756

That sounds fun but also mentally taxing. How do you keep up with it?

No. 205795

It's mentally taxing but i'm never gonna be able to retire and the planet is becoming uninhabitable for us so fuck it. I'll take love as torment as a cherry on top the pile of shit sundae that existence is.

Also it's sexy.

No. 205819

If you mean bicurious women then I'd advise staying the hell away from them. They're almost always pillow princesses who have a rigid heterosexual or pornsick idea of lesbian sex who will usually refuse to reciprocate or they'll do it so badly you'll give up before one of you gets friction burn. Also I've heard a lot of horror stories about other lesbians catching feelings and the girl ends up being straight. Don't get me wrong, some of them genuinely are bi or even gay. But the vast majority will be straight and simply looking to tick this experience off their bucket list.

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staying on topic my fave lesbian media is the yuri amv tribute i saved to the family storage by accident and now can't look at again out of embarrassment. but also writing fanfiction is underrated for making and getting content that speaks to you.

Yes, you will probably even feel like a fake gay sometimes, but at the same time I like to think that being a femme lesbian is like Among Us because you're an imposter (gay) whilst taking the appearance of a perceived straight, which makes me feel like an among us imposter if that makes sense, which is kind of fun. But yeah, stay true to yourself, and enjoy feeling like you blend and belong a little better. I would love a gf like you no homo x

rip but I would be so happy to have a 'best friend' like that but I can understand if it hurts too.

you sound like picrel lmao

No. 205846

If you want to torture yourself, at least don't go for women on tinder. I've read several horror stories where the curious woman was dating a man but hiding it from the lesbian and those women have no qualms about whoring you out. Women going on dates while their bf sits across the bar watching, women pestering to come over (to her apartment) for some coffee, later it turns out that she is living with her bf…once again just be careful because many bihet women treat lesbians as fetish objects

No. 205858

>no homo

No. 205918

After covid restrictions got lifted here I went to a lesbian bar for the first time and it was really fun but I lost my purse and glasses at one point and the bartenders laughed at me for being dumb and I felt so embarrassed that I'm scared to ever go back even though that probably happens to a million girls every night.

Anyway, I suck at dancing but I got to dance with a beautiful girl grinding on me for a while so it was nice…

No. 205936

I have a lesbian acquaintance who meets bisexual women at the bar and then immediately goes to their place, it always seemed really stupid and unsafe to me. One day she's going to get a big surprise.

No. 205959

My city's lesbian bars have all closed. The only one still open is a cocktail bar owned by a lesbian but isn't exclusive to us. A lot of the LGB spaces got decimated by covid but I'm hoping they'll be back in the future.

No. 205996

I'm sorry to hear, it really sucks how many lesbian bars have been closed. There are so few compared to gay bars, I feel like it really plays a part into why so many lesbians struggle to find people. We have so few spaces to safely meet each other.

No. 206022

Yeah, it's extra frustrating that our spaces are often just places to get drunk at as well. I'd much prefer a cafe (maybe one with a seating scheme that has you mingle with random people) or something. My stomach is fed up with me trying to keep pace with people that enjoy drinking. I hate the way alcohol makes my body feel…

No. 206030

Trust me, something bad will happen one day. I met a bihet at a local bar years back when I was a dumb teen who didn't know any better. She tells me she's living with her ex but he's out of town so she invites me to hers. I figure fuck it, why not. We get there, get in bed, and about 30 minutes in I hear someone come in the front door and immediately start climbing the stairs. She tells me to be quiet and she'll get rid of him but once I hear him ask "are you ready?" I know what's happening and I'm taking no fucking chances. I slip on my underwear, grab my clothes, climb out the window and shimmy down the fucking drainpipe to get away. It scared the absolute shit out of me. Who knows what his plan was? I started carrying a boot knife after that, even to hook-ups.

No. 206031

holy shit

No. 206032

That's terrifying wtf. I'm so sorry that happened.

No. 206033

What the fuck. I'm so happy you got out of there safely. Women who help their men rape other women and girls are so appalling. How do they justify their actions? "Better her than me" ??

No. 206039

man this shit and troons make me way too scared to try the only lesbian bar here or any dating apps. I'm mostly happy being single but god damn it would be nice to have an actually safe lesbian space outside a tiny image board. Makes me really sad other women just treat us like a fling or object for their secret guy.

No. 206041

It really is not that surprising, considering that pandering towards men a lot of times benefits a lot faster than some lofty feminist ideals or consideration towards other women. Just look at all the couples where the bf is fine with the woman having lesbian hookups (with her telling all the juicy details afterwards ofc) or the woman proudly talking about how they both talk about women’s bodies in an obviously objectifying way. On top of that predatory behaviour from het-attracted women towards lesbians is completely normalized, and couples looking for a third in lesbian spaces are even expected. In the current political climate it is not even allowed to say anything about it since that would be considered biphobia which ((((obviously)))) is a worse crime than bringing a man into a female ssa space. Bringing a lesbian straight to your boyfriend is just the logical escalation of this behaviour

No. 206052

I wonder how common this is. It's as if everytime I'm hanging out with other lesbians, at least one of them will have a similar story to tell.

No. 206072

I'm not sure if I would've been raped had I stayed. I've heard from a lot of other lesbians who've had boyfriends "suddenly" appear during sex and we've discussed it and think they're trying to re-enact porn scenarios and are so pornsick they think the dyke will just go along with it. With scrotes you can never be sure though, given how angry they can get when rejected, which is why I ran.

Don't be discouraged, just be safe. Like I said I carried a boot knife when I was single and hooking up with girls I didn't know. I would always explain straight away that the knife is purely for my piece of mind because of a situation gone wrong and I'll only be using it to castrate any man that tries anything. The vast majority understood me, lesbians especially because they usually had a horror story of their own. Quite a few ended up showing me their pepper spray in their handbag like "same!" which is kinda funny but fucking depressing.

Yeah, this. Thinking back on how my bi "friends" have acted it's not surprising at all that bihets try and pull this shit. I used to know a bi couple who would have affairs with the same sex and then tell each other the details and get off to it. The wife was always trying to flirt with me because her bi husband liked how masculine I was, fucking freaks. I had to cut contact. These people really do just throw all manners out the window when it comes to lesbians and will say the most vile shit to you without so much as a "hello".

No. 206088

how many lesbians are actually on this site? Every thread i go i see some moid talk and i'm sick of it

No. 206093

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It's a bummer to talk about men when I'd prefer to ignore their existence but then again the site is a mixed community so it's normal that hetties/bis will shit up every single thread with pictures of the scrote they masturbate to or WKing their Nigel. It's just how male-attracted people are, they can't stop sperging because if they stop, their cope ends. They have to convince themselves over and over that their scrote is worth it.

ANYWAY fuck that noise. I'm contemplating going to the one lesbian cocktail bar in town but I'll be alone and you can't mingle with covid rules… It's probably not even worth it but I want to be surrounded by people like me rn. I've been trying to make new lesbian friends (previously surrounded by "queers" and bis) and lockdown has not helped in the slightest. The cute butches I see on Bumble are all the worst fucking conversationists, it's like they're larping as fuckboys. I've not met butches like that irl so maybe it's just what the dregs are like on the dating apps idek. Femmes are even harder to come by, my luck is wack. I'm gonna go look at some lesbians IRL while sipping on an overpriced waste of calories. I'm doin it.

No. 206098

I know exactly what you mean, I hate dating apps because nobody actually uses them to meet and date, just to fill up their fragile egos of "ooh am I hot enough? I'll let my 78 matches tell you" like fuck off and stop wasting my time

Going to gay clubs is pointless in my opinion because you could be dancing with a girl but it just turns out she's drunky, daring and straight.
We don't have spaces to go to anymore where it's exclusively lgbt

No. 206102

Saged because bent but part of being a lesbian that I fucking hate is that TIMs won’t fucking leave me alone cause they’re so make brained they think any interaction is attraction.

Or when I find a cute lesbian she’s actually an “enby” they/them with a binder.

and I fucking love butches so I keep getting bloody bamboozled by gender specials who seem to be brainwashed into thinking femininity and womanhood is a goddamn curse.

a masculine woman is still a woman and i want one to hold my stupid hand and kiss my stupid face.

No. 206104

So I'm at the bar and it's full of bisexuals with their bfs lmfao. I really wanted to be surrounded by gay woken tbh but in my city we don't have women only spaces to hang. There are gay bars but they're full of men and drag shows which I don't care for. Sipping a good cocktail though at least.

No. 206108

I have to remind myself that if she wanted to talk to me, if she actually missed me and wanted me, she could, but she chooses not to. I need to move on.

No. 206110

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Same. Fucking same. I texted her tonight even though I had decided not to do that just hours ago. Same anon as the one that went to the bar >>206104 so you know why I texted her. I deserve better but I can't move on just yet.

No. 206214

Those scrunches look like a huge anus

No. 206224

I keep running into hot enbies but they're so exhausting to be around. Seems like almost all of the lesbians in my area are gender special or poly. It hurts, I see my gay male friends having normal same sex relationships but I have to tiptoe around trans shit whenever I try to date to not fuck up my career. I just want a butch gf to go backpacking with.

No. 206260

i desperately need more lesbian friends i wish friend finder was back

No. 206293

That's it I'm officially tapping out of the dating game. Trying to find a gf I click with and who shares my political views is impossible because the lesbian dating pool is tiny and filled with gender specials. I've had enough of lukewarm relationships with women who kinda sorta fit my criteria and whose criteria I kinda sorta fit and there's no spark but we try to make it work anyway because there's no one better out there. I just had a mutual break up with my gf of 9 months and all I feel is relief. I don't want to settle for anyone ever again but the prospect of finding someone actually compatible is so miniscule that it's not even worth the effort.

No. 206297

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Have any of you noticed an increase in non-lesbians, particularly straight men, appropriating the term 'U-Haul lesbian'? I heard it come out of a dude's mouth the other day to describe himself and it really rustled my jimmies. It reminds me of those gross genderspecial straight couples that claim they're more '''queer''' than actual gay people just because the girl has short hair and the guy paints his nails while they both enjoy pegging or some shit.

No. 206309

“queer” is just fun and quirky to them.

people literally have no clue what it’s like for us. i’ve been told to fuck off because i deleted my dating apps cause i was tired of troons, genderspecials, people looking for threesomes or bi polyamorous looking for another gf.

“That happens to everyone” “that’s just online dating”

It happens to us most though. I’m so fucking tired. i get told i have privilege cause i’m white but nobody talks about how rejecting men gets you fucked over entirely.

people can’t wrap their heads around us. our existence is purely female. even our masculinity is female.

No. 206341

the more i read the thread the more i realize ill die alone

No. 206356

Not necessarily, anon. I met my fiancée at work. I had already told myself I was done dating in a similar fashion to >>206293 because I was sick of degenerate liberals, bisexuals and troons but then… well, I met her. It really does happen when you least expect it. I think there's quite a few lesbians in happy relationships here you just don't hear from us so much because… well, we're happy lol. As much as I'd love to shit up the thread talking about the silly little things I love about my partner I think I'd bore everyone in here to death.

No. 206397

I think reading some positivity about your partner would actually be good for the doomers posting in here anon. Do gush, I can definitely use some hope right now.

No. 206403

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A café you say? :^)

No. 206407

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Ok then, but if anyone objects to my gushing then please direct your complaints to this anon for giving me the go ahead. :P

>I love how nurturing she is. I'm currently going through treatment for cancer and she's been such an incredibly brave yet tender warrior by my side. On my bad days she does everything for me: helps me shower, helps me dress, bundles me in blankets and keeps me fed and watered while I rest. Hell, she even watched some YouTube vids on how to give massages just to give me some relief from the pain. I can be a real grumpy asshole and say some pretty mean things when I'm in pain but she knows I don't mean them. She even waits until I'm better to call me out on it. I'm doing my best to bite my tongue though, I don't want to take things out on her when she's my biggest ally.

>I love how we share our passions. We're currently re-writing the Skyrim canon to fit our OCs and I'm loving it. We even have our own self-insert Mary Sues who get married in the story. After finishing tweaking this we're gonna re-write some of the Fallout canon in the same fashion and fill it full of lesbian OCs and self-inserts. Even if I'm autistically fixated on something she's not particularly into she'll always try it for me. Like when I depression binge The Sopranos for 678735th time she'll always watch some and talk to me about it. I do the same with her programs and I have to admit I've come to love some of the trashy reality shows she watches. There's nothing I love judging other peoples lives and calling them stupid with her.
>She loves me for who I truly am, faults and all. My ex was ashamed of me for being working class and "too butch" amongst other things and it really hurt me deeply. But seeing my fiancée happily introduce me to everyone she knows warms my cold dead heart.
>She's so fucking hot. Call me a scrote, I don't care. When I first saw her my jaw nearly hit the floor. Everyone else in the room was practically blurred out by my minds eye and it was just her.
>I love how we can live together seamlessly no matter what. We can be super involved and joined at the hip or both doing our own thing and there's no friction. It was the easiest U-Haul of my life, it just felt so right. The morning after our first night together at my place it felt so empty there without her. Like my relatively small apartment had doubled in size and there was just so much unfilled space.
>Ok last point because this is getting long but I am so excited for the future. We're getting married by the end of the year (if my health stays on the up) and I've bought some land where I plan to have a house built for us and I can't wait. We're also planning on having a kid once I've been in remission for a decent amount of time and it's so exciting. Any time I see parents out with their babies I get all sappy and excited because one day that'll be us. Pic very much related.

No. 206414

ntayrt but this was so sweet to read, thank you. I especially loved the part where you talked about rewriting skyrim canon? I have similar hobbies with my wife, we've been writing stupid fandom nerd shit together for like a decade now, and I had no idea it was so common (I felt kind of embarrassed about it before reading your post tbqh).

Anyway I hope your treatment kicks cancer's ass, nonny, and that you and your fiancee have many more years together. You both sound so sweet.

No. 206415

>We're currently re-writing the Skyrim canon to fit our OCs and I'm loving it. We even have our own self-insert Mary Sues who get married in the story.
this is so nerdy and stupid I love it
Getting well and healthy, nonnie, and get that dream house built!

No. 206416

My ex-friend was doing text roleplay (not sex shit but fantasy RPG) with her ex-gf. Not the same, but similar, so it looks like women love writing fanfic shit together

No. 206421

Oh that's so awesome you write nerd shit with your wife too!!! What fandoms are you into, if you don't mind me asking? My partner and I don't post publicly, just share it with our nerd friends occasionally. We keep big google docs we collaborate on. I'm trying to convince my partner to post her fanfic though, she's genuinely very good at it. Thank you for the kind words, nonna. ♥

Thank you, nonny. ♥ And I'm gonna get that house built if it's the last thing I do! We recently converted our pinterest boards into actual scrapbooks to show builders and decorators. We're also playing around on The Sims building dream houses but I keep antagonising the neighbours on there with my sim, hehe.

Yeah I know a lot of women who are into nerd shit but I think because we're used to pushing down the urge to sperg because it's not "socially acceptable" we just kinda explode when amongst fellow nerds.

No. 206438

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Damn I got no original ideas huh…

I was the one that requested the gushing, no regrets. The headcanon thing really got me for some reason just like this anon >>206414
, I love how you two are doing creative things together like that. I'm definitely suggesting the idea to my next gf if she's into fiction.

>When I first saw her my jaw nearly hit the floor. Everyone else in the room was practically blurred out by my minds eye and it was just her.

My heart! I totally know how this feels. While the women I felt that way for are gone from my life it's pleasant to remember how the world stopped when I first met them. Makes me grateful that I even got to feel that way about someone.

I'm wishing you two the very best anon. I hope your treatment goes as well as possible and you live the rest of your lives together, doing the things you both want to do.

No. 206444

We love fantasy!! We play a ton of videogames together, so we also tend to get into fandoms like TWEWY, Ace Attorney, etc. We've been really into Fire Emblem 3 Houses for awhile. I've played Skyrim, but she wasn't super interested beyond snuggling on the couch to watch (it did spawn a lot of fun jokes, though).
I hope I come across any of your fiancee's fanfic in the wild someday! I'd love to read them, lesbians write the best fic, I swear. <3

No. 206477

Butch bitches make me fucking sick. Is that a woman or a man, no it’s just some ugly cereal box built bitch who has a tongue that smells like wet salmonella. Y’all sick af(a-logging)

No. 206482

yall cute as hell. I’m rooting for you and I hope you get well soon.

No. 206524

>women love writing fanfic shit together
This is how I've met the majority of my lesbian/queer friends.
I even fell for my crush because we wrote OCs and lesbian/gay fanfiction and roleplayed together. and then she trooned out

No. 206538

how do you all meet women this much? especially homo women?

i just want a gf to play basketball with me again and hold hands and make gf necklaces and pretend to be vampires with. i admire your fanfiction stuff so much, it's literally the cutest.

No. 206542

My own dream is to have a gf that is into writing. I am not good at creating the plot but I would love to draw illustrations for her stories, maybe write together if she would want to. My craziest dream is writing a comic together but I know it wont come true (but creating a short strip is realistic)

No. 206546

I would love that so much. I love writing and I wish I could draw but I'm tragic at it. I especially like writing fantasy yuri and reading it too. Otherside Picnic is a really awesome light yuri sci fi novel and the novel illustrations are pretty too. So I would love to have an artsy gf to create with.

tl;dr pick me, choose me, love me <3

No. 206548

Does anyone else's family members talk about men to them with the absolute certainty that they'll end up with one someday? Three years ago I was sixteen I came out because I had a girlfriend at the time I brought to this New Years shindig at one of my uncles. The responses were lukewarm, most of them are republicans, and according to my mom some of my aunts and uncles said some things like "Don't you think she's a little young to make a decision like that?" or "If she doesn't want to date men why does she date a girl who looks like one?" when I wasn't around.
Now it's all "So are you and that guy you've been hanging out with boyfriend and girlfriend or are you just friends?", "Have you seen any boys you think are cute at your school yet?", "When you get a boyfriend make sure you blah blah blah blah". I don't go "No, I'm not interested in men, I'm a lesbian" because I don't want to make it awkward or for them to think I'm scolding them, I just say no and change the subject as quick as I can. I didn't really want to come out to them in the first place, it was my mom's idea she thought it would go better but after that I've made a point to not mention anything about my sexuality ever again. I don't know if they say those things now because they forgot since I don't bring it up anymore or if thats their way of telling me they don't accept me and their trying to push me into a "better" direction. Is this a thing that happens with you guys too?

No. 206552

I'm also an artfag who's interested in this exact setup. It's comforting to know there are at least a handful of us out there.

No. 206556

my crush is coming over tmrw morning to exercise together and then after school/practice we'll make a cake (with her bf too fml) im very excited

No. 206558

not sure if trolling but for your sake let it go and don't talk to her

No. 206561

one of the ayrt, I wish I knew. I've known my wife since we were kids, we grew up together and then married each other as soon as it was legal. If you find a way to meet normal lesbians I'd love to know. I'd love some idk, writing or art friends. It would be really fun to exchange art or writing.

No. 206566

im not but i assure you ive let go of any romantic hopes between us; we can still interact as friends

No. 206567

if i were you i'd say the bf can't come, it's a totally reasonable boundary to have

No. 206578

Elvira has been dating a woman for 19 years it’s like my lesbian childhood awakening slapping me in the face over and over again

No. 206596

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>mfw writerfag who dreams of an artfag gf

No. 206603

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I love finding out that there are not only other lesbians like me but also writers that want the same thing!! You anons gave me hope. When I will be ready to enter online dating, I will be adding "trying to find writer gf" text for sure hehehe

No. 206607

This is genuinely one of my favorite things about relationships with other women. Even friendships with other lesbians, we spend so much time talking about our passions and creative interests, I'm not sure why it's so prevalent with us but it feels like so many lesbian relationships include some kind of shared creative outlet and it's so beautiful.

Someone I follow on twitter who has been running a niche fan site for the past 2 decades met her wife through it and they're honestly my couple goals. They barely even post anything coupley but there are regularly posts like "I was just talking to my wife about xzy and…" and it's so encouraging to me that they still, after so long, are able to both enjoy that kind of thing with each other.

Maybe we're all just a little autistic but honestly it's very fun and freeing.

No. 206608

Oh also, I just remembered one of my favorite stories about an older lesbian couple. I can't find the source for it any more, but they met through Kirk/Spock fanfiction in the 60's and stayed together for decades. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, I'd love to find the article about them again.

No. 206633

Which fandom nonna? I was thinking of building a small rp/fan group myself, it gives me hope that something like that has survived 2 decades and won't immediately flop.

No. 206676

Speaking of artfag/writerfag couplings, I'm >>206407 and a former tattoo artist, for the past decade I've been trying to produce my own graphic novel but I'm a lousy writer so my fiancée has been helping me tweak the plot and characters. I haven't been drawing much because of my illness and severe art burnout from tattooing but I'm slowly getting back in the groove. Even if I never show this to anyone it's just great to have a shared project with my fiancée. Lately it's been hard to talk about my feelings or talk at all, really, so having this little graphic novel baby of ours is a good way of both distracting me from real life but still spending time with my partner and not isolating myself. I do think shared creative hobbies in general are good for relationships.

I remember hearing about those two!!! I can't remember their names but man, good for them.

No. 206738

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When I match with people on Bumble BFF (not in a dating place in my life atm) they usually mention their partner pretty early on in the convo while it's not relevant to the topic at hand. I'm not flirty and I don't even mention anything gay but my bio says that I am a lesbian. Am I being too sensitive? I feel like they're trying to nip it in the bud, even though "it" isn't even happening.

No. 206741

People just like letting people know they have a partner. Most people I newly meet let me know they have a bf/gf in the first conversation. I guess it sort of makes sense, especially when you're making friends, I mean a partner usually plays a big role in one's life so it makes sense to mention him or her. And I bet it's sort of showing off for a lot of people too.

No. 206742

My fiancée and I are on Bumble BFF and we've both had people ignore our bios that state we're engaged and flirt with us. I expect those people you've been talking to have probably gone through similar situations since a lot of queers and liberal types on there are cheating bastards polyamorous so it's most likely them just taking precautions to avoid uncomfortable situations. I do it myself, so don't sweat it, nonny. I'm sure you're fine. ♥

No. 206743

But their profile already says they're in a relationship…
Yeah I guess this addresses my above point. I can understand their concern but it still turns me off the notion of friendship with them, that they'd get defensive when I have not even flirted. Like at all, I don't behave flirty. If anything I should be sketched out since hets love to try to recruit us for their 3somes under false pretenses.

No. 206756

sorry for the late reply but we were all close friends beforehand, he's not a total stranger kek

No. 206767

Need some advice. Apparently the easiest way to find gc lgb people now is to 'make' them (by peaking your friends yourself essentially), but how do you do that in a subtle way? If I just went in guns blazing they wouldn't listen and I would just get blacklisted from my friend groups.

No. 206768

Do you guys have any practical advice for asking girls out? Most girl advice online is meant for dudes & tends to draw on that weird alpha stuff & I don't want to treat a girl like that. What little there is for lesbians though is like "Don't worry! Just be yourself!" which is not helpful.

No. 206769

There's a good reason why people will cut you off if you honestly think it's your place to try and change their beliefs on something. Let people be. Nobody likes this overbearing 'I'm right, you're wrong' shit.

If they're young then they'll maybe sway sides at some point by themselves. I've seen people switch sides in both directions but it's not your place to do that for them. Just like how it's not their place to change your beliefs to suit them either.

No. 206776

Depends, do you already know whether she's into women? How perceptive is she to your flirting? What are you having trouble with?

No. 206786

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Getting back into dating and why is every "lesbian" on dating apps a troon or a bisexual (but was with a man for 15 years and is scared of her own pussy) bitch looking like picrel. Don't mind me, I'm just seething and falling asleep on my vibrator until my country opens up and I can meet cute fit girls at the boxing gym again.

No. 206787

You’re right, I didn’t wanna come across like that. I guess I said that wrong because I’m not looking to convert them necessarily, just wish I could broach the topic without them shutting me out completely. Also just tired of hearing how only terrible exclusionists turn people down because of their genitals lmao

No. 206791

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>tfw no gf
>No lesbian bars in a 100km radius
>apps full of agp's, bicurious women and unicorn hunters
>the rest is looking for a tik tok acessory
>I'm undesirable af butch, not that I think other butches are unattractive, I'm kinda considered a faggot, I just can read the scene
>butchphobia from all sides makes making new friends difficult
>can't even lift the feels away
>consoom media with butches to cope
excuse the tumblr gif, Maxine Harlow is an evil pussy worshipping artist so you can rest easy about the source

No. 206792

Cringe but my girlfriend peaked me by hyping up that she was a bad person with evil opinions and feared that I would drop her once I found out whatsoever it was. Then all she said was "I don't think transition is right for everyone," to which I naturally agreed. She said some surface level stuff about hormones and surgeries being dangerous especially to people who don't research them. And at some point she either suggested I read terf blogs or I just went ahead and did it on my own. Needless to say after reading radfem opinions for a few hours, I realised they were right all along and renounced trannyism for good. This specific tactic may only work on the terminally online and "desperate to see the good in others" type, but it can certainly be reworked to fit your situation. Just ease into it, I guess, and encourage them to read opinions from the other side.

No. 206793

Fellow butch here and I feel you about making new friends. Lesbians are mostly ok with me unless they're tranny stans (in which case they think I'm a closeted straight man kek) but bi and straight women look at me like I'm a freak. Try looking for butch/GNC social groups online that meet IRL. I've met some fantastic friends that way.

No. 206796

I don’t like taking social risks at all, and I’m worried about coming off as awkward/creepy since this is totally unexplored territory to me. To be honest I want to learn how because I had the realization recently that if I keep being so passive about dating I’m gonna die alone probably since our dating pool is so tiny lol. There is this girl that I know is gay for sure, but I’ve never gotten the nerve to approach her really.

No. 206808

There is a serious lack of butches in the world. I hope you ladies find someone who can appreciate you for you. Love you nonnas.

No. 206819

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it! Sadly enough I've had the issue with some (supposedly) gc lesbians too, who consider butches to be a harmful stereotype standing in the way of acceptance by straight people. Maybe that's true, but it also ironically enough doesn't sound very gc.

Thank you, it sometimes feels like asking for a fantasy or fairy tale when it comes to wanting acceptance/appreciation.

No. 206824

Ayrt I'm so sorry you've had to experience that, don't take anything they've said to heart. You don't exist to please straight people nor get their approval. I find it enraging they even suggested that. Homophobes will never accept us, no matter how we present. It has fuck all to do with it.

No. 206827

Yeah that makes no sense. If they don’t support women being gnc, what are they even critical of?

No. 206831

man fuck those women. what should we care about acceptance from straights. butches, bulldykes and gnc lesbians have been a part of out community since day one.

Not to “all women are queens” but butch and ngc lesbians are amazing as any femme lesbian. I love butches. From miss trunchbull to cute girls who look like justin beiber.

No. 206832

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I follow Maxine on insta, I love her work so much. She even responded to a DM of mine once, she is so cool.

Also I'm not a butch (just kinda GNC but not masc enough to count as butch) but I think they are super hot as long as they don't try to emulate fuckboys. Maybe you're too hard on yourself and that colors your perception? One thing I'd like to encourage you to do is strive to be neutral towards your own looks. People can sense it when you hate yourself and it can affect their impression of you. Even disregarding the social impact, it's not healthy to care too much about your looks. Your body is your one machine that lets you interact with the world. Don't reduce it to fuckability. It's yours and it needs acceptance.

Body positivity imo is a garbage concept that conditions people to place all their faith in looking good. Looks aren't forever, our bodies are not sex icons. Be neutral. Be kind to yourself. Apologies for patronizing, just putting some words out there in case someone will benefit from lessons I've learned myself.

Start with holding eye contact and smiling. Get yourself used to being intimate in that way. It'll open up some flirting for you, trust.

Agreed, gays that give a fuck about respectability politics are annoying retards. We don't need straights to like us, at all. I appreciate all lesbian women who don't cape for non-lesbians.

No. 206844

>Looks aren't forever, our bodies are not sex icons. Be neutral. Be kind to yourself
Nta but this is sweet and wholesome anon ♥

No. 206852

It doesn't come across as patronizing at all, it's really sweet. I think it was easier for me to just accept my body as is, when I was able to do sports/weightlifting all of the time, because I could be proud of the things my body could accomplish, instead of the way it looks/is perceived by others. I know it'll pass when things get back to normal and I'm busier. You're a saint.
Eh shit happens, just annoying how small the pool of possible friends gets
I guess they're conservative and just call themselves gc because they hate troons

No. 206855

Where do you live where there are openly gc lesbians?

No. 206859

The community in the biblebelt is different from the progressive urban one. Won't say much more than that.

No. 206861

based maxineharlow fan

No. 206862

you can’t tell me the “she said i looked to gender-y for sex” isn’t a dig at people assuming all gnc lesbians must be trans or “genderqueer”.

women are women.

No. 206868

100% I get crypto vibes from her. I hope she's as good as wwe think she is anons.

No. 206870

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tumblr hate her cause her followers are all “terfs”. she gets messages from detransitioned lesbians.

she calls herself masc king.

i love her cause she’s masc as fuck but clearly still a proud woman. they probably hate her cause she goes against their narrative.

that and her pussy fixation. pic rel “evil pussy worshipper” is apparently a terf dog whistle cause it excludes trans girldick lol.

What’s hilarious to me is she’s so gnc they can’t even call her female in their call outs. it’s they/them. they literally cannot accept that a woman can be masc.

No. 206874

I love her art so much, there’s really not much out there like it today. I hope she starts making zines or something because I’d buy the shit outta that.

No. 206875

yeah they legitimately think she's "transmasc", they can't compute gender nonconformity

No. 206887

>pussy worship is a dog whistle
I'd say it's pretty overt lmao the only acceptable genital attraction for them is towards """girldick"""
This has been brought up in this thread before but I want us to have more solid dog whistles. Radblr seems disinterested in crypto signaling IRL but it would be extremely useful imo. I live in an extremely liberal city and it's pretty much impossible to be even remotely candid about your views on gender without being totally crucified.

No. 206893

This 100%. Kinda sad that we're back to subtle signals to avoid ostracization from our own communities. Still, I need to find some cryptos IRL soon or I'm gonna go crazy.

Any suggestions?

No. 206894

whenever i feel like i’m unable to feel things for people, i love meeting a butch woman and forgetting how to function. tried talking to this butch player at a meet and greet after a game about a week ago and i started hyperventilating and had to get my friend to ask for a picture for me.
it was super embarrassing but i love being reminded on how much i love butch women and how much i want to give one my love for the rest of my life. i guess that starts with me not being too flustered to actually have a conversation with one…

No. 206898

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I >>206791 use the vagitarian option on HER and refuse to pick pronouns, to try to dogwhistle on there. It surprises me that they haven't removed the vagitarian option yet, in light of the whole 'we need to pander to AGP's more!'. I might hide an ovaries patch on a denim jacket, but other than that, I'm all out of ideas. Doing the Hogwarts house thing is probably too obvious or easy to confuse.
Iktf. I went on a date with another butch once and thank fuck she was a tourist so I don't have to face how awkward that was. It's like I lost 50 IQ points on the spot from being flustered.

No. 206902

Either be confident, or if you can't pull that off, be polite and courteous.

A healthy amount of confidence is very attractive, especially because it's somewhat rare coming from women. Being direct about your feelings and knowing what you would like to do on a date, looking after her needs, etc, is always great.

Of course, if you don't really… have confidence, then this will feel like a farce, so don't push yourself. If you don't feel confident, just be honest and polite. Don't put yourself or your feelings down, but word things in ways that lets her know how you feel while also still giving her options. You're not creepy for liking her, and being like "ugh sorry if this is creepy but-" just feels… sad to be on the receiving end of. If she's also gay, she most likely won't think you're creepy and worse case scenario will just reject you but still feel flattered.

If she already knows you're also a lesbian a simple, "hey, I wanted to let you know I think you're really great to be around and I wanted to take you out on a date some time" is effective. Honestly, sometimes the hardest part is the second date. Even when we like each other I sometimes find it hard to find time to follow up… Be earnest and consistent if things go well, just don't be a pest or anything.

I personally avoid complimenting just looks because I feel like it sounds shallow, so unless there's something about her style that you really love, try to stick to more genuine compliments and lean into her interests. Some people love being complimented about their appearance though, so it depends on the person. Hope this helps! Good luck!

No. 206930

God me too. Seeing butches in the wild makes me so happy. Christmas Eve 2019 this gorgeous butch woman needed help finding mushrooms at my store and I still think about her. She was the most polite customer I've ever had and I spent the rest of my shift daydreaming about marrying her and the whole experience made holiday retail a lot less hellish than usual. The guy I had before her was an asshole and yelled at me for something that wasn't my fault too so it felt like a miracle when she was next. Butches provide valuable community service every time they go outside looking like that.

No. 206994

Oy vey, I relate to that comic so fucking much. Idk why but with feminine women, especially femme lesbians I'm great at flirting. I flirt so damn good you'd never even know I have the ass burgers. I know what to say, how to compliment them, how to be respectful. Put me in a situation with another butch woman though and I clam up. I can barely speak and come across as a total sped. At most we'll have a cordial conversation about where I buy my clothes from, what tailor I use, or what aftershave I wear and that's it.

No. 207021

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I have the opposite thing, I flirt easily with butches but have a hard time with femmes. I fit into neither category but I think that I'm decidedly punky/unpolished looking makes it so I find femmes kinda unapproachable. I don't really get what women see in me, especially femmes, though I don't let that get me down. Just kinda weird to me that they wanna date!!

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That's better or more useful than just talking about weed and spilling spaghetti in the form of having to empty your pockets to find your card.
I'm getting over my predatory lesbian complex by flirting with and complimenting random feminine women on small details. It's like I randomly became a sperg later in life, because I remember being a casanova in my teens and not giving a shit. With butches, idk even where to start. I know that 25% is into other butches too, so it's not even that rare. The few times I did give it a shot, my attempts were viewed as an invalidation of their masculinity, discouraging me even further. Though it's also flattering and ~validating~ that they thought I was too masc. The only date I did get from it, she probably thought I was a retard.
What's your secret? Spill the beans! It's like something changed culturally around here 4-6 years ago, I went from desirable and being approached randomly, to it now feeling like nobody is interested. It could be that I was only approached because I was visible and really everyone is f4f and now apps are more popular there is no need to settle for someone like me. Or maybe they view me at risk of trooning out? Do they think I'm a fuckgirl with toxic masculinity? I know the insecurity and self doubt vibes I probably give off aren't exactly attractive either, it's like a cycle.

No. 207114

I don't have a secret, I just don't feel nervous for some reason. It's frustrating to me that people are super big on having one super narrow thing they're into. Women from the masc to femme spectrum all look attractive to me.

No. 207140

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Guess I gotta just chill. Yeah I'm not exactly sure why many people seem to be so specific, it doesn't really frustrate me because everyone is allowed to have their turn ons and turn offs. What does frustrate me is that there's a taboo against certain pairings, so even though more people are into the whole spectrum, it's off-limits anyway.

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I should find the rest of that essay and read it, thanks for sharing that bit.

Butches together is actually preferable to me than femme/butch pairings because the latter reads as a hetero-ified pairing to me. Especially the way some butches are so gender-y (and femmes are so interested in performing hetero-approved femininity), I can't help but read it as internalized homophobia making them meme themselves into emulating a straight dynamic. I don't think much of it but that is my somewhat-problematic perception of that, though I mostly tune it out. At the end of the day I know my lens regarding this topic is too political, I don't pay much mind to it. Kinda like how I think makeup is a scam but I still wear mascara and blush when I wanna look particularly good, I can't be assed to be a perfect lez with no trappings whatsoever.

Generally I gravitate towards people that are relaxed about their gender and dress in a way that is comfortable but unique to them in some way. I don't want to navigate a super difficult relationship where I'm always in danger of invalidating someone's gender identity, it's too much work.

No. 207177

there's no hope :)

No. 207221

Fuck off tranny doomposter. There's no hope for you but we'll be just fine.

No. 207225

Based. Trannies should go back to attending to their chronic UTIs instead of trying to socially engineer lesbians, who they will never be btw XY

No. 207240


cool off, it's just the doomed reality I'm in. might as well accept it with a bitter smile. i appreciate the watchdog response tho kek

No. 207258

Fuck, I know I shouldn't miss my ex, but, fuck, I do and I can't stop. This is killing me. I miss her so much. I can't even bring myself to even want to move on. What I'd give for a chance to do things right.

No. 207268

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Yeah it's kinda difficult though to be a butch and not be considered too 'gender-y'. It's an accusation which has been levied since the 70's and it hasn't really done anything positive, other than push butches further to the fringes. I don't know why being ~relaxed about gender~ often has to entail letting more conforming women try to get butches play dress up, trying to put make up on them, trying to change the hair etc. It especially feels like a betrayal, after being subjected to and resisting patriarchal society and all the punishment for being ourselves. Yeah it's difficult to get out unscathed with no side effects. I'd prefer dating another butch,because we'd then both get it and maybe appreciate each other on a deeper level (also other butches are really hot imo). Instead of a 'femme' who will later complain and who would've been better off in a F4F pairing. I've got nothing against butch-femme pairings, but the fulfilling, healing ones seem to be a relic of the past (kudos if anyone still happens to be in one!). /rant, not really directed at you personally

No. 207291

>I don't know why being ~relaxed about gender~ often has to entail letting more conforming women try to get butches play dress up, trying to put make up on them, trying to change the hair etc.
Yeah that is not what I'd define as being relaxed about gender but you're right, a ton of people use that as an excuse to try to change their partner. It's not right. The eggshells I find tiring about people that appear gender-y to me are definitely not fashion related. I meant more in the vein of having to avoid invalidating adjectives, not being able to service them in bed due to mental blocks they have, maybe even pronouns. Those kinds of things are not inherently bad either, I just don't want to navigate gender identity turmoil personally. And I'm certainly aware that looks are not conclusive so I'd observe the person before I pass on them. Definitely not based on their outfit, though. That's some bizarre shit.

The butch/femme pairings I see around are almost always black people. White lesbian couples I see around are mostly f4f or "soft butch"/[either]. I've not seen lesbian couples of other demographics around town but now I'm curious to know what their common dynamics are.

No. 207295

>The eggshells I find tiring about people that appear gender-y to me are definitely not fashion related. I meant more in the vein of having to avoid invalidating adjectives, not being able to service them in bed due to mental blocks they have, maybe even pronouns.
Oh yeah it's understandable that the pronoun thing can be very annoying. I think the not wanting to be serviced thing is more often trauma related than gender related. Many also get pushed into it. I personally made the mistake of sleeping with bicurious women when I was younger and now I feel insecure about letting anyone go down on me. I could probably get over it in a relationship tho. I understand that a lot of people don't want to deal with that kind of baggage and they are well within their right.

>The butch/femme pairings I see around are almost always black people. White lesbian couples I see around are mostly f4f or "soft butch"/[either]. I've not seen lesbian couples of other demographics around town but now I'm curious to know what their common dynamics are.

Here the white ones are all F4F and masc lesbians are a rare sight, with or without pronouns. Black people tend to be in a (black female only) polycule around here with all sorts of aesthetics, no hate, they seem happy.

No. 207323

> I don't know why being ~relaxed about gender~ often has to entail letting more conforming women try to get butches play dress up, trying to put make up on them, trying to change the hair etc.
I'm more GNC than butch but I feel weird about dating feminine women for this reason, it always hits a point where I need to 'just try' dresses and makeup and I'm always the unreasonable one when I refuse. It feels like being in a relationship with my mother.

No. 207326

This is so awful. I can't help but read it as scrote pandering because they're pressuring GNC/butch women to conform to conventional beauty standards.

No. 207361

Holy fuck I thought I was the only one who had noticed this. I'm not even on the most bulldyke side of the spectrum and more of a futch/tomboy yet even I have experienced my share of this "Just try a dress on for once, you'd look so pretty!" coaxing and people obviously assuming that me being masculine is somehow a cope and sign of insecurity that I need to get over despite me being like this since I was a fucking toddler. Seeing how femmes are never pressured to "experiment" with masculinity it should be telling enough what's the motivation behind this.

Not to turn this into another bi shit flinging thing but it's almost always insecure bihets who have to have the option to pretend to be heterosexual so they need to make their partner look like a "regular" woman and not like a "disgusting lesbo".

No. 207405

I recently found a super cute lesbian couple who work as a sheep shearing team and travel around the United States for their job.

They make fun informational videos for TIKToK about shearing and I love that they are just normal ass people with content on real life shit instead of brain rot.

No. 207429

i love seeing lesbian couples. the equal partnership is so refreshing.

also it warms my cold lil heart to see women who have found happiness together. one day that will be me and my beautiful wife maybe. i’m still holding out. there are women in their late 20s/early 30s that aren’t handmaidens or they/thems. right???

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Yeah with bi women the risk is even higher that the pressure to conform gets turned up. Or they want you to perform as a scrote, so they can get off. Obviously #notall and I got a couple supportive gnc bi online friends and febfems seem to be better with this stuff. It's just a very broad category.
Though conservative, religious lesbians can be really bad with gnc stuff too. They also happen to be more likely against the troon thing, but it doesn't exactly come from a truly gc perspective. They view gnc as no different from ftm, both an embarassment/barrier to mainstream acceptance. Again #notall, heavily depends on which religion etc.

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Instagram is such a turn off for me and all the women my age are absolute freaks for it. I can't bring myself to enjoy this stupid app but I have to use it if I want to communicate with the new people I'm meeting. I feel like a boomer rn.

No. 207542

>Yeah with bi women the risk is even higher that the pressure to conform gets turned up. Or they want you to perform as a scrote
This is why I won't date bi women anymore; not even as a one night stand. If I were to become single again I would rather be alone than settle for someone who is also settling for me. I never got too many women trying to dress me up as with my tall and muscular build I'd look like a hon in a dress but a lot definitely got me to play the role of a man. I actually conned myself into thinking I was stone butch because penetration is often painful for me and I prefer to give oral and top. I should've never let myself be boxed in like that. If I deny my dysphoria the option of trooning me out; why was I letting it dictate my sexual desires? Vidrel honestly changed my sex life by driving me to unpack why I was the way I was.

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No. 207566

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i'm so sad. there's a women's union in my city and i thought they might consist of like… older women? normal women? then i saw that they had a 4 days long lesbian only event and of course it had a giant disclaimer about how you should respect and ask about pronouns and that there is no place for twansphobia at their event. like i know this is just The Society(tm) we live in nowadays but i'm just heartbroken all over again.

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I haven't caved in yet, is it worth it?
>If I were to become single again I would rather be alone than settle for someone who is also settling for me.
Yeah I've been single for years now for this reason.
>I never got too many women trying to dress me up as with my tall and muscular build I'd look like a hon in a dress
I look like a hon when I try to wear dresses too, but that doesn't stop people from trying to get me in them, because to them femininity = attractiveness, sexiness etc. Even though personally I feel I look more feminine with short hair and in men's butch clothes. It allows my female body to shine through and not be outshone by the drag.
>I actually conned myself into thinking I was stone butch because penetration is often painful for me and I prefer to give oral and top.
Oof, it hasn't gotten that far with me. I mainly just stopped hooking up with bi(curious) women and decided to wait until I could find someone I would dare to work through my hang-ups with. Easier said than done though, especially in this climate. It's like even lesbians nowadays put me in this role and only women with pillow princess pins on Her and shit like that like me (besides the regular barrage of AGP's thinking we have so much in common). Even though I try to signal pretty hard I'm closer to being a (aspiring) faggot butch than a stone butch. It's like all those apps made the bars disappear even faster too. The rest gets cancelled out of existence. It's been getting lonelier and lonelier.
Thanks for sharing! The capitalization of the L does make me pause though, usually a sign of polilez stuff, but still a good blogpost.

No. 207594

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Is there a subreddit for cis lesbians? Seems like all lesbian subs are full of troons wtf

No. 207596

>Posting moe anime lesbians while asking for cis lesbian subs to avoid troons
look anon I'm a weeb too but you have to realize the discrepancy here

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No. 207601

Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're not a troon: Stop saying cis. Just say women. Stop playing their game and using their stupid words.

No. 207606

Just be careful about going full TERF on there. The sub has to technically remain inclusive of troons or they'll get banned but the userbase is mostly real women fed up with woke shit and the occasional not-like-other-AGPs AGP. It's not a new r/truelesbians unfortunately.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ActuallyButch also exists for anyone interested and is much better than r/butchlesbians. It's run by some women from ActuallyLesbian and so far has had no masc AGPs who call themselves butch lesbians.

No. 207617

There used to be r/truelesbians but it was #cancelled by the tranny mods and it no longer exists.

No. 207637

ladies, get The Club Monocle app, it's strictly lesbians only and has potential

No. 207643

I've finally set a date for my wedding and booked it all in! I got the go-ahead from my doctor that I'm healthy enough to proceed last week and thanks to our wedding planner it's finally all systems go. The only thing to decide now is where we're going on honeymoon but I honestly don't care. I'm getting married! I'm gonna finally be able to call my fiancée my WIFE!

No. 207674

Awwww congrats! Bless you and your soon-to-be wife.

No. 207679

>ok weird name but i'll bite
>check app
>weird ass graphics in the google store page
>100+ downloads!
>wait… just 100+? that's all?

So did you make this app or what.

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nta and sorry for possibly schizoid tinfoil but my gut says it's sketchy. I've seen it mentioned on Ovarit and all the lesbian subreddits the same way it's mentioned here >>207637, short plug from an empty/low activity account about how amazing it. Likely the dev themselves because nobody is actually using the app.

It has a sister app for trannies so the dev probably isn't a GC/radfem woman. And to get approved for posting you need to submit video and audio of yourself. Which yeah to be fair is the only way to keep troons out but you're sending video evidence of yourself applying for an account on a 'terf app' and fuck knows what the dev is gonna end up doing with that information.

No. 207708

Thank you!

Nah it's not a schizoid tinfoil, anon. It sounds shady as fuck to me. The fact there's a tranny sister app and you have to submit a video of yourself sounds very suspect. Trannies always talk about wanting us on a fucking list, just look at that Shinigami Eyes extension. This app seems like a perfect way to lure us in. "Oh look, we're referencing Le Monocle! It's lesbian only!". Now this probably is schizoid tinfoil but the fact it was plugged not long after >>207594 posted makes me paranoid. I mean, how often does someone come here using the word "cis" seriously? Pair that with the fucking weeb shit? Idk it's just got my back up.

No. 207712

Yeah, strikes me as a honeypot as well, even before knew about the tranny sister app. We can't trust any non-anon platform anymore. Maybe someday it'll be okay to love women again.

No. 207714

r/actuallylesbian is the only one that's mildly real homosexual woman aligned. it's pretty slow and still clamps down on overt rejection of trannies though. i'm pretty sure the mods aren't twansphobes based on a myriad of their comments, but it has a decent amount of posts by actual (actual) lesbians.

No. 207733

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I don't want to start a flame war again, but I have some serious questions.

For context, my only vaguely 'right wing' beliefs, are in wanting a smaller government and protecting personal freedoms. I don't want morals forced on anyone. But in liberty oriented spaces online, sometimes there's a conservative influence too. And it makes me question what is right and wrong.

For instance, there is discourse on the subject of whether homosexuality is a result of negative influences. Such as molestation, absent parental figures, or hormone imbalances. And when I look at gay men, and how promiscuous and mentally unstable they seem, I think 'yeah adds up', but I'm not sure if I feel that about homo women, because that's me.

I was never molested, and I always felt funny about this teacher who wore tight skirts even when my family was fine and loving. (so I was a little homo way back lol)

But sometimes I wonder, especially from what others say. Were many of you here molested or unloved by a parent? Is it possible to be a girl who was loved by her family and had many friends in childhood and no trauma, autism or mental illness, and to be a lesbian? Is that any of you? Because I'm on the fence about whether being lesbian is ok, but I'm pretty sure homo men are kind of off.

No. 207736

This is the first time I enter to /lg/ because I'm new to lolcow and I'm hetero. I'm also puzzled by the reasons/causes/origins/basis of homosexuality because it seems that there's some correlation between being molested as a young boy and ending up as a gay man. And there's also the idea that some gays and lesbians know from a very young age that ''they're gay'', althouh this sounds like those claims HSTS make about ''feeling female'' since childhood, it really seems that vague emotions and fixations can be easily misunderstood by children and if bad parenting or society reinforces those misinterpretations children will grow up confused. I don't know about lesbians having a particular disposition for having been sexually abused. Wouldn't it be weird that when boys are molested by men that makes them crave for more dick while girls being molested by men turn out to be repulsed by them? One would expect the same result, or not?

>I was never molested, and I always felt funny about this teacher who wore tight skirts

But would that really count as a sexual preference if you were only a child? Did you have any romantic thoughts about her? As a child I was in love with young Nicole Kidman because of how pretty she looked to me and how charming some of her characters were, and the same with other actors/actresses but I never had any romantic feelings for them. I didn't have them for classmates either until I reached 13yo but now I see that age as the starting point of getting to develope sexual preference and romantic feelings towards someone, something that has reached a decent level now that I'm 21yo but that hasn't ended. Do you know that V for Vendetta scene where the actress is talking about a phase during high school were girls have ''girlfriends'' and she gets caught and is told by a teacher that that's just a phase, then she explains it didn't end for her? That makes me wonder if it's an actual hormonal thing amongst females because I had something simmilar that passed.

I have to admit that gay men and lesbians feel like two very different concepts to me. I don't know if there are ''true'' gay men that haven't suffered from any type of trauma of don't hold an extreme feeling of mysoginy (that hypothesis abou having many sons in a row) but everyday I'm more convinced that lesbianism comes from a totally different ground.

No. 207747

I mean when I was trying to self convert to heterosexuality I saw a YouTube video of a girl who was molested by a woman and it made her gay but then she found out that it was wrong and a trauma response. So I think there are some lesbians who are responding to trauma, but if I exist then maybe it's something you can just be, like being autistic. If that makes sense. I would try to change if I thought it was a trauma response, as I know that can happen, but I think when a girl/woman is molested it's either usually hypersexual trauma responses to men, or male aversion.

I think a sign of being gay was that I pretended to be a boy so I could pretend to be girl's boyfriend when I was younger, and thought I fit in with boys too because I was like them on the inside. I'm glad I'm not a child in 2021 because I may have been convinced to go ftm kek. And I never had unrestricted internet access because my mom's great and based, but when I was twelve I did cringe gay stuff. Like drawing big booba women, and secretly dating a girl 'ironically' who i went swimming with, or wondering when I would begin to like men at like 16, because obviously it's just because I'm young and not fully developed that I don't know what it's like to lust over a man yet, even though I forget to breathe when this one girl in class looks at me.

For sure it can be a phase, and I'm happy for you that you got to be heterosexual. Also, I think women are more able to love someone for their soul and spirit, and aren't as visual as a man is. So even if a woman is straight, their heart has so many depths and layers that they may feel connected to a woman who makes her feel a certain way, and feel in love.

I can understand how homo men and homo women can seem different- homo men seem hyper promiscuous and traumatised, but not homo women. And if the many sons theory is right, I may believe it. But if I was a gay man, I would just try to exercise and take testosterone if that theory is so correct. I heard someone on 4chan say testosterone worked on his gay brother. Because imagine being like 'mm man ass' and being likely to have diseases and get cheated on? If I was a gay man, I definitely would want to change.

Do you think you could still change at 21? I'm 18 and I still wonder if by 25, when I'm more of a woman, I'll know what it's like to feel the way for men that I do for women. I don't feel grown up because I don't like men, but I'm in the acceptance stage now and am not trying to change, just feel an underlying and constant guilt. I'm wondering, as they do say in those 'libertarian' spaces that homosexuals are likely to change their sexuality.

No. 207748

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Can we maybe not debate about the existence of homosexuality in the lesbian thread? Fuck off. Especially you little miss Hettie Bettie >>207736

No. 207749

okay lesbian incel

No. 207752

I understand why you feel annoyed that I'm derailing and maybe invalidating you when this is your place to be understood and connect.
I was only wondering if there are lesbians here who grew up without trauma, autism, or anything, so I can know if there's a cause. I believe homosexuality exists, because that's me. Like if you can be a normal girl, and a homosexual. Then I will believe that it's just something you happen to be.

Can you be a completely healthy normie girl who happens to like women, and if so, is that any of you?

No. 207756

You do realize you're in a gossip board right? Besides if you're a normie lesbian you can go on the limb and presume you're not the only snowflake lesbian in the world and you sure as fuck won't find " normie" lesbians here.

No. 207760

You're the Het that decided to post here; at least the lesbian incel belongs more here then you.

No. 207764

> So I think there are some lesbians who are responding to trauma, but if I exist then maybe it's something you can just be
That makes a lot of sense, it's completely normal that you want to analyse your sexuality in order to see if it's rooted on something healthy and non-traumatic. Each day I'm more convinced that lesbianism, because it doesn't involve men, could be the purest for of love and attraction.
>I think a sign of being gay was that I pretended to be a boy so I could pretend to be girl's boyfriend when I was younger, and thought I fit in with boys too because I was like them on the inside.
Whad does that even mean? You felt like a boy on the inside? Don't degrade yourself like that, you could never possibly feel like a boy on the inside because you weren't a boy.
> when I was twelve I did cringe gay stuff. Like drawing big booba women, and secretly dating a girl 'ironically' who i went swimming with
Okay this seems more reasonable.
>For sure it can be a phase, and I'm happy for you that you got to be heterosexual.
Well, I repressed the hell out of it because of internalized mysoginy and I wished for biological children with my future partner.
>Because imagine being like 'mm man ass' and being likely to have diseases and get cheated on? If I was a gay man, I definitely would want to change.
Fucking kek
>Do you think you could still change at 21?
Yes, it could happen, I'm fighting my internalized mysoginy. It doesn't help that I had an absent father figure over which I was obssessed with, seems like there was no other option for me than turning out straight. On the other hand, you had a happy upbringing, that shows you how much conditioned I was to obtain my sexual preference.
>I'm 18 and I still wonder if by 25, when I'm more of a woman, I'll know what it's like to feel the way for men that I do for women. I don't feel grown up because I don't like men, but I'm in the acceptance stage now and am not trying to change, just feel an underlying and constant guilt.
Don't feel any obligation towards males, don't measure your maturity on the level of appreciation you have of them, on the contrary, the maturer you are, the most you'll despise men. I understand your struggle. Nowdays people talk about sex and sexuality 24/7 but it's ridiculous, time and experience will tell us what we need to know. There are millions of more interesting things out there than ourselves, we've become too much self absorbed, people whant to put themselves in categories.

Anon, those aren't me.

No. 207765

Apologies I meant to reply to the dumb het anon.

No. 207766

>I think a sign of being gay was that I pretended to be a boy so I could pretend to be girl's boyfriend when I was younger, and thought I fit in with boys too because I was like them on the inside.
>Whad does that even mean? You felt like a boy on the inside? Don't degrade yourself like that, you could never possibly feel like a boy on the inside because you weren't a boy.

NTA but I get this. I also imagined being a boy all the time and I self inserted as the male character in shows because of their romantic proximity to female characters that I was crushing on. It's not troonery, it's just not having a good reference point for what it's like to be a lesbian so in your kid brain you try to make yourself fit into a picture with a woman and the het setup is all that computes. This is also why I'm so happy kids get to see gay people being gay more readily these days, though there is also pressure to troon out unfortunately. I lost years of my life to lack of access to information.

No. 207772

Okay, now I get it, it makes sense.
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No. 207788

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I've still yet to make a single lesbian friend in this town and I'm so fucking over it. I can't date atm so I'm limited to platonic relationships which makes it extra hard. Where the fuck are the lesbians of Toronto????

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>>207788 I've never tried it but I have friends who have met friends on tinder

No. 207797

There are some people that I should not see me on a dating app, at all. I guess I can risk it with the stealth mode or whatever it's called… Are people even okay with someone only looking to connect platonically on there though? It feels shitty to invade a space where people are looking to find love in.

No. 207831

Look, I don't have the big answers for you. All I can tell you is what I know that is true to me. No one diddled me as a kid. I grew up in a strict religious environment and felt immense shame for my sexuality, but still, I fell in love. It wasn't enough to stop it. Not so long ago though, I had a mental breakdown, I put myself through conversion therapy. Over a month of navel gazing with other self-hating gays and solo "therapy" sessions where I was drugged and forced to watch lesbian porn while I puke my guts out and some guy yells at me that I'm a disgrace to god. They try to rewire your brain to associate homosexuality with sickness, nausea and distress. After being propositioned for a relationship by a guy from the group I came to my senses though. I left town, ran far away from it all. All the trauma in the world could never make me want to be with a man in any capacity: romantic or sexual. The trauma from conversion therapy was still there of course, but when I met my fiancée I fell in love hard and fast. That's when I knew that whatever homosexuality is, it is not something we can control. I don't believe you can cause it and you sure as hell can't stop it. If you're genuine with this, take this as a sign to stop. I know it's hard, but just stop. Stop reading those stupid sites that theorise and pathologize us. Don't watch those fugazi "ex-homosexual" testimonials. Follow your heart and fuck what anyone else thinks.

No. 207959

I was never molested or sexually assaulted in any way at all and my parents are ultimately very loving people, even if they have their flaws. They're immigrants so they had a difficult time and came from a country with different social norms, but they do love me. My dad is actually pretty great and I have a good relationship with him, and he has never crossed any boundaries with me. Or even so much as made a negative comment about my appearance. I can't say I'm not mentally ill, but I chalk that up to living in current society, of which I think we have differing political beliefs on because I definitely do not want a smaller government, but that's neither here nor there. I don't believe my mental illness has anything to do with my sexuality.

I know normal (relatively, considering they are still male, and most if not all males are deranged and misogynistic regardless) gay men. I think the reason many gay people can come across as unstable is because of the extremely homophobic environments that they were raised it. It's very sensible that it would have an impact on their development, and result in people who come across as erratic.

I really want to say shut the fuck up hetero, but I'll humor your for a second. Would you similarly compare a woman reminiscing about a crush she had in the 2nd grade on a boy to an HSTS talking about how he always felt female? Probably not. Plenty of gay people report having crushes at young ages, like heterosexual people do, and for those who don't, it's quite normal to not be able to recognize a crush when you're only ever told those happen towards the opposite sex. It's also relatively normal to not have any crushes at all until you're older.

For the record, I actually don't remember having much crushes on well… anyone, as a child. But I'm also very unromantic as an adult and rarely wish to pursue romantic relationships, so that's not very surprising. I definitely have never felt any amount of romantic or sexual feelings towards men.

I'm of the opinion that most humans lean bisexual and completely exclusive heterosexuality/homosexuality is the rare one, but a substantial amount of people who are capable of having bisexual tendencies heavily repress it and are not inclined enough towards same-sex attraction to bother un-repressing it. So it's not surprising to me that some straight women can report having strong feelings for other women, and it's explanatory of the homoerotic behavior that many purportedly straight men display towards each other.

I'm of the subset that is exclusively homosexual, though. I don't think it's all that odd, considering we probably exist as a form of population control or something. Homosexual behavior is rather common throughout the animal kingdom. For a species where childcare is very time-consuming, it's not surprising that there would be a subgroup who don't have their own children.

No. 207963

Samefag, but when it comes to hormonal imbalances, I actually had my T levels tested because I suspected they might be abnormal for this + other reasons, and it turns out they're completely average. It was actually my estrogen levels that were in the slightly upper end, although still not in the range of abnormal, so I don't believe it's as simple as hormonal levels leading to a particular sexuality.

No. 207967

People are using tinder for anything nowadays, don't worry

No. 207983

> And when I look at gay men, and how promiscuous and mentally unstable they seem, I think 'yeah adds up'
imo the problem with gay men is not that they are gay, it's that they are men

No. 208014

Damn sis u okay? i’m not even memeing when i say get yourself a vibrator and love yourself.

No. 208024

nta but absolutely. men dating men don't have to reign in their degen sides at all so they go apeshit. while i do prefer the company of gay men over straight men, they're still all male and should be kept at arm's length. they feel similarly about us tbh, we just have some shared experience being marginalized and can bond over it but our differences show once we move to literally any other facet of life.

No. 208054

samefag, i'm so ashamed of my typo. i meant "rein in".

No. 208069

any other lesbians live somewhere that it fees impossible to find other lesbians? dating apps suck so bad around me, and it feels like lesbians don’t exist in my area. i just want to kiss a girl once in my twentys

No. 208095

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Anyone here hates trannies? Would like to have cute gf and talk about how much we both hate trannies(bait)

No. 208096

no one here likes trannies lmao. lurk more. also i don't think you can have a fulfilling relationship merely based on hating troons.

No. 208097

Fuck off shitposting tranny.

No. 208156

You stick out like a sore thumb you dumb moid. Fuck off back to /tttt/ before you get your sensitive male feelings hurt and make the suicide rate go up again.

No. 208211

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Why do I keep seeing these type of posts? I don’t go looking for them at all

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No. 208231

What thread is this?

No. 208240

Nta, its the fakeboi thread

No. 208241

As much as I hate the fakeboi thread and all the assmad MTFs, Aidens, scrotes and hetties posting there it's still autistic to go pick a fight with them and complain afterwards. The person saying "tbh you should be ashamed for liking men" and posting about "dykes seething about bisexuals" seems like some samefagging infight psyop to me in all honesty.

That said, the whole thread is lesbophobia central. The last time I checked anons there did not believe any girl would be bullied for having boy toys in her childhood and it just reminded me of how butches and GNC women in general get the shit end of the stick all the time and their experiences can only be understood by someone who lived through it.

No. 208244

Half of them cannot even tell the difference between an Aiden and a butch. I'm just waiting for them to start posting pics of butches and dunking on them. I realized quite a while ago that their disgust for Aidens comes from the same place their disgust for butches comes from.

No. 208253

I hate it when they nitpick Aidens about their appearances. It's fine when it's stuff like rainbow hair and retarded outfits but nitpicking women for being fat/hairy is part of why so many girls are trooning out in the first place. Let them be fat and hairy in peace like men are allowed to be ffs.

> I realized quite a while ago that their disgust for Aidens comes from the same place their disgust for butches comes from.

Same with most online radfem/GC type spaces tbh. I lurk Radblr and Ovarit too and an uncomfortable amount of women are clearly just social conservatives who have issues with GNC people in general.

No. 208255

>Same with most online radfem/GC type spaces tbh. I lurk Radblr and Ovarit too and an uncomfortable amount of women are clearly just social conservatives who have issues with GNC people in general.
RF/GC discord servers are like that too. Every time they start with a big group of detransitioned and gnc women, but slowly over time an exodus starts over all the bashing of GNC features, the analyzing of actual women for 'trannie traits', the globohomo sperging and ironically enough the accusing of GNC lesbians of being exactly like scrotes. I almost got more ~dysphoria~ from being in there, than from just existing in patriarchy. Such incredibly toxic environments.

No. 208258

>Every time they start with a big group of detransitioned and gnc women
This drives me absolutely fucking insane because it's true. It's not even a new phenomenon, lavender menace 2.0.

sometimes I think we would have better luck forming solidarity with TIFs, half of them are already peaked from close contact with AGPs and would be on board with radfem ideas if they're framed as 'AMAB vs AFAB' instead of 'man vs woman'. idk I'm just paranoid that as GC belief becomes more popular it's gonna become more and more generic anti-SJW, openly hostile toward homosexuals/GNC women/etc

No. 208260

It really pisses me off whenever they're posting comparison pics of girls before and after trooning out like a bunch of scrotes bitching about how they "ruined themselves", not because they went on T and got their tits chopped off but because they don't look like a conventionally attractive girl anymore. I get laughing at Elliott/Ellen Page's Shinji look and ridiculous ab implants but only because it would look dumb on anyone.

This is why despite aligning with radfem ideas I still don't feel welcome in most radfem/GC spaces. I think trannies are insane but I also understand why so many young lesbians troon out and sympathize with their struggles as someone who almost went down that rabbit hole herself. People keep pigeonholing radfems into being just "anti-trans" to the point their communities have been overran with thinly veiled conservatards and weird WLW polilezzies who, like said, think butches are "just as bad and rapey as scrotes", "pickmes who lick male boots" and "men-lite", being completely blind to the irony. To them the cure for FTMs transitioning is just for them to learn to put on lipstick and a dress, literally no better than troons themselves.

No. 208264

I agree with your assessment, I've seen several TiFs have very gc-like rants about 'transandrophobia' coming from AGPs. Or how they feel silenced by not being allowed to say they experience misogyny or else it hurts AGPs feefees. The divide between TiFs and other GNC women is an artificial one which is being fueled from 'both sides' and has been observed by cuspers since at least the 90's. They are often automatically ignored, because they fall under ~queer theory~, but after actually reading shit of Jack/Judith Halberstam, it really does feel like we're being played from both sides. One side wants you to ignore anything vaguely anti-trans and the other wants you to ignore anything vaguely ~queer~.
>To them the cure for FTMs transitioning is just for them to learn to put on lipstick and a dress, literally no better than troons themselves.
I think this has been fueled even more by the fact that one of the most popular detransitioners is an 'ex-lesbian' who is now a wannabe tradwife. It's not Keira Bell who is being invited to talk everywhere, that's not enough of a success story according to the thinly veiled conservatards.

No. 208265

>To them the cure for FTMs transitioning is just for them to learn to put on lipstick and a dress, literally no better than troons themselves.
Sometimes you get conservative mothers posting about their TIF daughters/nieces/etc and I need to physically log off and walk away because it's too much.

>I-I tried to explain that she'll never be able to maternally and motherly breastfeed her babies with her big beautiful womanly woman breasts and it just made her want top surgery even more!!!!!!!!


No. 208266

RF/GC discords are the bowels of hell. As a butch I was either looked down upon or got a lot of uncomfortable sexual remarks (even though I talked frequently about being in a relationship) when I would mention weight lifting or my fitness regime. A lot of so-called "radfems" only have those two modes of treating butches: objectification or disgust.

With regards to the FTM thread: I browse it because I enjoy tranny cringe that doesn't make me want to an hero like the MTF thread. That said as a butch lesbian I feel like I'm walking a tight rope in there. A big chunk of the users here, and yes I'm going to say it - especially the borderline homophobic "bisexuals" - just hate any gender non-conformity. Doesn't matter if you're butch or a full blown Aiden they'll hate you all the same.

No. 208268

Kek too accurate nonnie. While a lot of feminist mothers are proud to have butch daughters you still get these pieces of work every now and then.
>My daughter used to think she was a boy had crushes on other girls but now she has at long last found her femininity wearing dresses, heels and putting on nail polish! Why, just now she's going on a date with her wonderful boyfriend and I couldn't be happier!
Makes me a-log every time. Not that girls can't turn feminine from being a GNC, of course they can, but that attitude boasting how she got "fixed" into a heterosexual femme in the end is what devastates me.

No. 208275

They're already doing that to some extent, at least I've seen a couple of times when they've just posted some butch girl to ridicule with no proof of them ever mentioning being trans.

Incoming bitchy rant but naturally the only butches they accept have to be a tall, very attractive and incredibly buff so they can treat as a sufficient replacement for a man without feeling "too lesbian", and even them only as something to objectify. Shorter, skinnier/average butches are the ones they're disgusted by and often are so hostile they attempt to paint them as pedos due to "wanting to look like teenage boys" for wearing sportswear or a snapback. It's all so transparent and I'm not even talking about attraction, just the general treatment received.

No. 208276

AYRT and:
>the only butches they accept have to be a tall, very attractive and incredibly buff so they can treat as a sufficient replacement for a man without feeling "too lesbian"
is a perfect description of my bihet ex lmao. Realising I was literally just Diet Man to her was one of the reasons I got the hell out of that relationship and stopped dating bi women. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm attractive but I am over 6' and muscular and that seems to be the two main things bi women always comment on. It was nice at first but now it's just annoying. I am not your Nigella.

No. 208280

Dating/hooking up with bi(curious) women gave me a weird complex around my height. Like I'm some sort of manlet, while my height is super average for a woman. I can't even get therapy for all my issues without them trying to troon me.

No. 208294

Thank you for being honest with me anon.
Where do you live for such 'therapies' to be legal? They're banning it in my country but I heard it's legal in the US, Montana specifically.

No. 208299

>I think the reason many gay people can come across as unstable is because of the extremely homophobic environments that they were raised it. It's very sensible that it would have an impact on their development, and result in people who come across as erratic.
This is something people forget about all the time, either intentionally or not. Gay men are what moids are for sure, but they also have a hypersexual culture because that's where they sought support from and learned from their elders as impressionable teens with nowhere else to go. Lesbians generally were treated like garbage and ridiculed as the butt of the joke or as sexualized pieces of meat to perform for heterosexual men's pleasure or even correctively raped/assaulted. Gay people tend to lack healthy social networks and peer support due to not following the norm so it shouldn't be a surprise that they turn out unhinged. Like you, I doubt my depression and anxiety has nothing to with being a lesbian but instead being ostracized for it.

Growing up the only other lesbian I knew from around where I lived was the target of countless rumors from whoring herself out to older women to being a criminal despite being a completely normal girl next door, but because she was a homosexual it meant she had to be an all around degenerate. It's going to fuck you up in the long run.

>it's quite normal to not be able to recognize a crush when you're only ever told those happen towards the opposite sex.

I fully agree about this as well. Some anon mentioned self-inserting more into male characters as a kid and I sure as hell did that too, I always thought it was a crush because god knows my baby brain could not comprehend that I was only doing so due to wanting to be in the romantic proximity of women and my best option was to project into the male character. It still continues to this day for me personally, but now I'm just aware of why it happens.

No. 208300

>I can't even get therapy for all my issues without them trying to troon me.
Same. The one time I discuss my issues I get diagnosed with "gender dysphoria", fucking quacks.

No. 208312

Nta but I went to therapy after a break up and the loss of a parent all happened very close together.. 3 or 4 sessions in we were talking about my gender identity for some unkown reason. I was trying to say I was secretly into women.. got diagnosed with GID? (twice over because my country was working on some system of needing it backed up by another professional too) I took T for a year and one day I just stopped and thought… wait what the hell am I doing here?? I was also on meds that numbed me when I went along with this.

I had no desire to transition before this therapist. I was a lil bit butch and closeted but nothing more. My one surviving parent hates me because of it. Now I'm not an idiot but I was in the middle of a mental health crisis at the time so fuck me.. I was vulnerable and just going with what she said. I'm less annoyed about the effects of taking T and more upset that I lost my dad to it, spent a couple of years concentrating on such a non issue too. All when I had bigger issues that I needed to get help for.

No. 208329

AYRT, I'm so sorry that happened to you, nonny. These people prey on the vulnerable. I was staying in a psych ward when I got my diagnosis. I never took HRT seriously considered it and had a trial period of close friends calling me by a male name though but I slightly relate to women who did as my PCOS gives me a taste of what that's like and it's fucking awful. I hope you're doing better in life now, stay strong.

Don't really wanna say where as I'm paranoid but it is illegal here, it just doesn't really mean shit. Campaigners are well meaning but very foolish to think that making it illegal will make it go away. All I had to do was ask around to find a place that gives "talk therapy" to gay people and then badger them into trusting me. It was very cloak and dagger at first and they literally checked my walking stick to check there was no recording equipment in there and gave me a pat down but once they realised I was genuine they were fine. I don't even know what drug they give me and if that's legal but I heard them talk about other churches doing this "service" so it seems like the law isn't holding them back.

No. 208373

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I'm the anon that originally posted about it and nah, it's not sketchy, the creator is a bit of a boomer so the ads for it really suck, the app itself is not perfect, the verification process (the stuff you read out loud) is kind of cringe, but otherwise, it has potential in that it literally does have real lesbians posting on it, no tolerance for trannies (terfy users, including the creator who seems GC/radfem but I didn't want to out her so that the transcult doesn't harass her and the app). I was not trusting because she had plans for trans and bisexual app, but I think she only made those to keep the transcult and bisexuals off her back for the lesbian exclusive app.

I tried it myself because I just stopped caring about whatever people are going to do with a video of me saying something random in order to use a lesbian app, went in with extremely low expectations, but was pleasantly surprised that actual lesbians do use this (including some boomers). It does get boring because the dating section hasn't been added yet and it's usually the same active users you see so far, but it's literally the only app we have now. Giggle was going into the lesbian exclusive direction, but it completely turned into just a woman's app, so not only it doesn't work, you see women complaining about men and their boyfriends every day basically.

Anyway, worth checking out. I'd like to see it grow because there's nothing else at this point and I would like a wife tbh

No. 208375

To add, it's kind of like a small community/social media thing going on, so after you sign up, you can post anonymously. I'm pretty sure the app creator would probably be legally responsible if she leaked the videos of the people reading the phrase out loud? or at least it'd be a dick move? I don't know, but it's just a lesbian app, not promoted as a terf app, but I think once you join you'll see that everyone is on the same page

No. 208411

i've noticed all the detransitioners who manage to cobble together any amount of a platform are usually either the vaguely socially conservative or outright conservative ones. like helena lacroix who's mustered together a bit of a following on twitter, then goes around sperging how women these days are never pressured into becoming mothers and gender roles are real, actually.

it just makes me think all this tranny shit is going to lead into a massive social conservative backlash, because the most prominent voices speaking out against the matter are hardly ever radfems or at least people criticizing it from a leftist perspective. i almost can't blame TRAs who think the only people who are critical of the trans movement are conservative, when they try to poke into it and find benjamin boyce getting his dick sucked.

No. 208414

>i almost can't blame TRAs who think the only people who are critical of the trans movement are conservative, when they try to poke into it and find benjamin boyce getting his dick sucked.
Same, which is why I side eye the anons who not-so-subtly attempt to steer GC discussion to bitching about gay men for being gay and use words like faggot liberally. While there's truth to them being men and coming with the regular baggage of male misogyny baked in it's still obviously these people testing the waters to see how far they can push the envelope to proceed from "I think gay men need to respect women more" to "Actually all homosexuals are degenerates and should be sent to the gulags, lesbians included". You give them an inch and they'll take a mile, conservatards are on the lookout all the time to sneak into radfem/GC spaces due to mutual hatred of trannies and they're only a few slurs away from attacking lesbians and pro-choice.

No. 208417

>like helena lacroix who's mustered together a bit of a following on twitter, then goes around sperging how women these days are never pressured into becoming mothers and gender roles are real, actually.
Yeah she's the popular 'ex-lesbian' wannabe tradwife I was talking about. She is also invited on a lot of podcasts and to do a lot of interviews. Her exgf is poc, so the sudden pandering to racists and coddling of her nazi brother is a bit eerie. She also said on her curiouscat that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt and that it's unethical.
> i almost can't blame TRAs who think the only people who are critical of the trans movement are conservative, when they try to poke into it and find benjamin boyce getting his dick sucked.
Nevermind that WOLF accepted money from anti choice nutters or how the only well known RFs are either polilez or hets who recently jumped on the 'maybe divine femininity should be pushed' train. Almost feels like both sides collaborating to get rid of us, tankies never liked lgb either, considering it bourgois decadence. This shit has been apparently predicted since at least the 90's.

No. 208442

agree, hatred about gay men (which i wholly don’t disagree about when it comes to calling out the misogyny they’re sometimes given a free pass for) quickly devolves into sperging about how homosexuality itself is degenerate. which even more quickly morphs into lesbophobia.
and its genuinely insane how the conservatards consider homosexual men to be more degenerate, considering the history of behavior that straight men have towards women. heterosexual men will always remain the most disgusting fucks.

helena is an ex lesbian? holy shit, didn’t know that, definitely makes me hate her even more than i already do. i thought she was just a straight ex ~transmed.~

i also despise the divine femininity stuff. it’s all misogynistic bullshit geared towards indoctrinating women to be submissive and view themselves as secondary to others.

No. 208446

Someone redpill me on who's this Helena Lacroix character, I can't find anything by googling.

No. 208454

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Aka as Helena Kerschner https://twitter.com/lacroicsz
I wish I actually took screenshots when her curious cat was still up, because it was milky af. Lots of pick-me prose about how she's the perfect tradwife, dunking on lgb (not just T) and coddling of her nazi brother. Her ex-gf wrote a Medium article or something to defend against the weird shit Helena was saying about the relationship, but I can't find it atm. Maybe someone more autistic than me can. Helena really is held up as the perfect detransitioner, not only did she become (hyper)feminine again, she also 'realized she wasn't a lesbian'.

No. 208459

This is why I hate spergy political lesbians, you know it takes one Perfect Nigel to turn them into homophobic tradwife larpers overnight spreading their "dick cured me of lesbianism uwu" story conservatards will take as true gospel and weaponize.

No. 208476

What the fuck, she's become an ex-lesbian tradwaifu now?? That's fucking disappointing, I remember when she started that detrans podcast with those other detransitioned girls. Never would've expected this.

No. 208502

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she is insufferable. she seems to have scrubbed her CC clean where she went into depth how she thought gender roles are largely biological and also the tweets where i recall her saying dyke more openly, but heres some choice tweets to laugh at.

"if you take the most /cynical/ perspective possible on the year 1921, barely two years into (some) women getting the vote, one could say they were only taught to be babymakers." she is delusional, lol. and apparently she is oppressed as a woman for wanting to talk about "loving men."

do you guys think she's a self-hating bisexual? i wonder what took her down this route.

No. 208503

samefag but i love the complete self-awareness she lacks when she says "without being descended on by a mob for loving men" when it's her, and not any lesbian radfem, that has managed to acquire a platform.

No. 208516

Quite frankly we're not hard enough on polilez women. I'm so sick of these bitches! This is why it was so important to keep the Q in LBGTQ (should be LGBQ, I know) as questioning; it's a very important title IMO and it needs a revival. There's nothing wrong with not knowing your sexual orientation but it's super fucked up to call yourself a lesbian because you only date women or you prefer them or you're only doing it for political reasons. This is why I like to state I'm homosexual these days, lesbian is getting watered down by these bored dumbasses who play pillow princess for dykes until Nigel comes along.

No. 208520

The queer label is quite accepted now and it basically means "questioning" (tbh it means anything you want) and yet still these women call themselves lesbians. Or if you talking about radfem polilezzes - they won't call themselves as questioning, since many of them like to pretend to know everything about female sexuality. And political lesbianism and lesbophobia is a core part of radical feminism since the beginning - they literally invented polilez. They will always be like that. But overall I agree with you and lesbians in general should stop being spineless doormats with het women in hopes of getting accepted in some ratched cannibalizing community

No. 208522

AYRT, polilezzes are why I distanced myself from radical feminism. I hold many of the core beliefs but I can't associate myself with these women, they drive me fucking nuts. The lesbophobia hurts a lot more when you believed that the person who's doing it is just like you. I really don't like queer as a label personally. Might be because I'm an oldfag (nearly 31) and have heard that word mainly used in a derogatory sense, but also because when queer can mean anything… it can also mean nothing. When I was a baby dyke I was welcomed with open arms while calling myself questioning. It's a clear label and people know what you're about. When someone calls themselves queer I just get confused. Could mean they're straight but consider having a fucking pixie cut some sort of daring act of gender non-conformity, could mean they're a troon, could mean anything. Also it's original use was to mean "weird" and I refuse to label my homosexuality as weird, as rough as my internalised-homophobia might be I will never "other" myself like that again. Problem is nowadays when you say "please don't call me queer" you get a horde of Aidens and bihets telling you that you're literally committing an act of violence by policing their identity despite the fact I've never told people not to use it for themselves.

No. 208532

what i hate about the polilezzes is how repulsed so many of them are by actual female homosexual attraction. they want lesbianism to be this pure uwu refuge from men where all women desire to do is hold hands and bake cupcakes together. sorry ladies, i think women are hot and i want to fuck them. it doesn't make me less radical or feminist than you.

No. 208574

NTA but I loudly agree. I hate that they're making lesbianism about some infantilized poetic sapphic moon goddess female bonding shit, I'm an adult woman who likes other adult women who like adult women and want to have a romantic relationship and sexual intercourse with them. It's not deeper than that and trying to mystify homosexuality is doing it more harm than good, it's shitty enough to maneuver in a sea of "WLW" bihets who would never touch pussy and we don't need more.

No. 208580

THIS. When I was in a radfem discord I got tut-tut'd for simply stating my attraction to said actress or musician or whoever-the-fuck was being discussed. "yOu'RE oBjECtiFYing hEr!" Oh please, have they never heard men talk about women? Saying "I wouldn't kick her out of bed" is hardly in your face but I guess I should've worded that better and said I wanted to braid her hair and bake bread with her, maybe then my homosexuality would be acceptable. I got so angry and escalated the argument so much that I may as well have said I wanted to go down on her 'til I grew gills kek.

No. 208582

Honestly there's an art to being respectful when expressing attraction, "I wouldn't kick her out of bed" is a pretty scrotey and objectifying line and I'm not surprised that women are on the edge seeing how badly men treat them, especially in an open discord space and not a very private, small group who knows and trusts you enough not to have their feelings hurt over locker room talk. The infantilized "w-we couwd howd hands and bake bwead togethew" is the other extreme and makes me uncomfortable as well, but personally I'm not a fan of being outright told by a stranger how much someone wants to fuck me worded like I was a piece of meat, even if it was a woman I would jump in bed with at the snap of her fingers.

No. 208584

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I don't know which brave anon posted this (picrel), but I'm already worried about the response. It's true though, I have very bad muscle envy. Yet when near a scrote with my goal arms or something, no attraction, just envy. I always wonder what I would've been like if I saw things like Gentleman Jack at a young age. Would I have been more normal? I hate that I on one hand have an extremely deep hatred for scrotes, but on the other they're imprinted on my brain as my competition.

After being told to be repulsed from the queer label through endless repetition, I have actually started to warm up to the label. It's not a word used in my language and some important (to me) authors like Jack/Judith Halberstam and Ivan E Coyote (author of Tomboy Survival Guide and the poem 'butch roadmap', which also helped women detransition) fall under queer theory apparently. I don't want to have to avoid books reflexively just because it happens to fall under queer theory. I really liked Female Masculinity, I thought Jack/Judith did a great job showing how both sides feel about the debate (in 1998 no less!), how radfems feel about it and actually took everyone's concerns into account. I have a feeling that a lot of TRA's haven't even read what they are (supposedly) preaching. Like a bunch of Christians who don't even know what their supposed bible says. Queer wasn't supposed to be for straight women with boyfriends, who think they are a part of the community because of their pixie cut. Queer was originally supposed to be more referring to 'outside of heteronormativity', in academic circles, but that went to shit. It feels culty to have to avoid everything related to 'queer' and go anathema to you, you and you. Not referring to you specifically, but I think some RF spaces can be equally culty to TRA spaces. Meanwhile Dworkin having lesbophobic rants and endorsing incest and pedophilia in some of her books apparently isn't a reason to immediately throw them collectively in the trash, so they should be capable of nuance by now.

Only wholesome handholding, or off to the gulag, you male-aligned abuser! I even got shit for pointing out that it's kinda weird for a supposed lesbian to go on a rant about how disgusting it is to even kiss another woman, but instead I was the devil for pointing it out. Polilez are unironically the source for third wave feminism being full of bihets larping as lesbians and for the association of female masculinity with privilege and abuse.

No. 208590

NTA but c'mon, I really think it's quite tame, and I've seen bi/het women say similar things about men (not that I believe men can be meaningfully objectified in our current society, so even if when women do say very objectifying things about men I do not care at all). It's an offhand comment about a celebrity in a non-public discord space, so while not the same as saying it to a private inner circle, it's not as if she'll ever read it.

I mean, I've definitely said more vulgar about celebrities. Must we always be restrained and classy about our attraction where the people in question will never see it? I know scrotes would make the same argument, but the difference is that theirs is backed by actual societal power and true disrespect for women.

No. 208592

It was a small discord group of alleged friends. I'm not so stupid I would say that in a large group where I didn't know people. If you think saying that about a celebrity who will never know I even exist, much less that I "objectified" her is scrotey then you must know some real gentlemen. Men seldom express attraction without vulgar details.

As a butch I've experienced a lot of envy towards men too. Not so much now as I've basically told myself that I'll be my own damn inspiration but when I was younger it was pretty bad. I would never admit it off anon though because the absolute geniuses in the FTM thread would think I'm a bi in a denial who's gonna troon out. True, I have a dysphoria diagnosis but really all that is issues nearly every woman struggles with and my desire to look a certain way that is seldom seen on women (at least in heterosexual society).

I don't get the Dworkin thing either, lady was fucking nuts but she's their Christ on a cross. Find it hard to believe that any real lesbian could be a fan of hers once they found out what she said. Sure, you look her up on social media and see some nice lil curated quotes but if you dig deeper it's not so great. I think that goes to prove that a lot of radfems are either homophobic polilezzes or don't read a single fucking book on the topic, or sometimes both I guess.

No. 208593

I like Dworkin and I think her book on pornography is genuinely worth reading for everyone, regardless on how you feel about her. She wrote most of the really batshit bestiality/incest stuff when she was drugged out of her mind early on in life and walked back on it later. I find her polilez antics annoying, but other than that and the aforementioned coked up insanity, I generally agree with her. I don't disagree that many RFs haven't read the literature though which is why they'll blow up on you if you criticize PIV as the primary form of heterosexual sex.

No. 208594

AYRT, as much as I hate some of the things she said I actually don't mind some of Dworkin's work, especially the stuff about porn. It's just that I don't get why people put her on a pedestal like she never did wrong or said some fucked up shit. Seeing memes of her and weird little edits of her as profile pictures is so fucking surreal. It's essentially stan culture imported to RF/GC circles.

No. 208595

This is the kind of nuance I mean. If we can have nuance for Dworkin of all people, why does everything with the label 'queer', have to be thrown into the trash? Even though it doesn't have nearly the reprehensible shit in there, compared to what Dworkin wrote. Almost all the positive things about butches and female masculinity is under queer theory. 'Boots of leather slippers of gold' has an entire introduction included about queer theory. It's like this thought stopping technique preemptively stops any gnc lesbians from being able to read about their own history, outside of the carefully constructed framework which polilez provide, so you cannot find out about what polilez have done to the actual lesbian community. So you cannot find anything positive about female masculinity, because you're supposed to hate yourself for being 'male-aligned'. Hell, dr. Finn Mackay has been cancelled in radfem spaces for having sympathy. Meanwhile Posie Parker is still vehemently defended, while openly admitting she's not even a feminist and harassing lesbians.

No. 208597

Any chance you have a list of books/etc on female masculinity that aren't too troony? I really love that Ivan Coyote poem and Tomboy Survival Guide. sorry for sperg but I love you and the other anon(s) having this conversation. I grew up dysphoric and had I been exposed to Tumblr at a younger age would have 100% been FTM. It's hard to be a lesbian in general right now but it really especially sucks to be GNC because both sides assume we're just broken male-brained freaks

No. 208600

Seconding this request for books on female masculinity. I quite liked Tomboy Survival Guide for something I thought on first glance would be troon adjacent BS. And don't worry, nonny. You're not alone with these struggles, women like us are more common than you'd think. Stay strong. ♥

No. 208601

I agree with you that rejecting any and all literature from someone just because they're termed a queer theorist is dumb and jumping the gun. I think many of them have said worthwhile things. I would rather seek alliances with many of them than I would conservatards like Posie Parker or even Megan Murphy who seems to have gone down that route, honestly. And I suspect more of them would be far more willing to reach out to us if it weren't for the males, who benefit from stifling these conversations.

As an aside, if we're being fair here, advocating for incest has also reared its head in some queer theory, so we can't pretend Dworkin is the only perpetuator of that one, unfortunately.

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Sure, but I don't think Halberstam or Coyote are the specific perpetrators of that. It's others under the label of queer theory who have done so. Those two are not really comparable to Dworkin being both the person who had horrific takes and good takes. Judith Butler would unironically be a better comparison to Dworkin. Before I get crucified over this, she's just really bad at getting her thoughts across in writing and she's against the concept that anyone has an intrinsic gender identity, like some sort of internal truth. TRA's are reading things into her writings, which aren't there. She said as much in the recent Guardian article, but everyone focuses on her supposedly dunking on le evil terfs, when she's seemingly talking more about gc conservatards and blatantly saying that TRA's misinterpreted her. Even her 'biological sex isn't real' thing is more related to a thought experiment of a planet where sex is seen similarly to height, so a real thing, but just not so emphasized and we wouldn't have patriarchy. She was probably very high while writing these things and it's so convoluted it confuses most people. I swear if TRA's actually understood what she was saying, she would be cancelled as a terf.
>>208597 >>208600
I'll sit down and make an actual in-depth recommendations list with descriptions and how much if any troon adjacent bs is in there. Sometimes it feels more like it's just a forced-in paragraph or chapter to keep them from being cancelled, which can be easily skipped.

No. 208643

Not a scrotey thing to say, that's as sanitized an expression of attraction as it can get while still being normal

No. 208739

i'm glad the thread seems to agree there's nothing wrong with it, i was like damn… if that's scrotey, then well.

No. 208740

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i find it weird when people think butches look like men. even male-passing ones have different faces that distinguish them from guys. like i cant put my finger on it but this lesbian for example: she's probably mistaken for a man a lot but she still looks so female to me? what is it?

No. 208743

Heteros are obsessed with gender expression and can't see past it. We see sex characteristics.

No. 208746

Most men have more bulgy prominent brow ridges than her for one thing.

No. 208756

Scrotes have more skin on the eyelids, hairline follows a female pattern, small ears etc.

No. 208757

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I also think it's weird. Do people just look at the hair and clothes and not the person? Male and female heads and bodies have noticeable differences.

No. 208758

Not the best pic but there are a ton of differences big and small. Like, no adam's apple. Smaller hands. Rounder eyes and face etc

No. 208763

This. I'm butch and get sir'd and mister'd quite a lot. It's like my haircut and clothes just fry peoples brains, men especially I've noticed. Granted my height does make it tricky as I'm way taller than the average female height and I'm fridge bodied with a flat chest to boot but my face is still quite feminine, as is my voice. When I go to gay bars I never have that problem though, I get people ask my pronouns, sure, but that's more of a "oh you're female but you might be a LARPer so I better be polite" thing.

No. 208766

This is why it kills me when I see other gc butches say they are okay with lesbophobic hets throwing them out of public bathrooms now. The problem is gross AGP's trying to get in there, who aren't exactly going to dress or look even close to a butch woman. If they still try to throw you out after the first 5 second confusion, it's lesbophobia. Hets will do that even to visibly pregnant butches. It's really not THAT difficult to figure it out

No. 208773

nta but God my least favourite thing in GC spaces is that weird self-flagellating shit butches do like "unlike TIMs I would NEVER want to make a woman uncomfortable and would gladly remove my hideous threatening butch self from a restroom if Helen McTradwife felt uncomfortable!!!". And then 20 comments from het women like "YAAAS thank you for being so supportive of real women this is definitely a reasonable expectation for us to have!!!".

I just don't believe that het women actually read butches as male, maybe at first glance but once you get a good look and especially if you hear her voice butches are clearly female. Maybe I'm a cynic but I think 99.9% of the time when a het woman feels unsafe around a butch woman it's because she's homophobic, not because the butch actually passes as male. Butchphobia/lesbophobia is misogyny and I wish more butches were brave enough to say it.

No. 208778

Part of me feels bad for those butches as the whole "oh no, it's ok, I'll leave!" schtick absolutely reeks of internalised misogyny and homophobia but on the other hand I wanna scream at these women that they're spineless traitors. Wearing mens clothes and having "unladylike" mannerisms doesn't make butches anything like male trannies and if straight women can't handle that fact then they can fuck off and campaign for a hettie betties only toilet. They can paint all the walls pink and have a nice Acceptable Female time in there. Like I said in >>208763 I understand that at a glance I might look male, but if you actually look at my face for more than two seconds it's clear that I'm not. I've had women get spooked by me in the toilets before and I used to apologise profusely but not anymore. If anyone stares at me now I just smile and say hi, no more apologising for my existence.
>Maybe I'm a cynic but I think 99.9% of the time when a het woman feels unsafe around a butch woman it's because she's homophobic
Same tbh. That's why I've become more assertive when these situations do happen because I know what these women have a problem with and it ain't that I'm some sort of magical fucking unicorn whose sex is completely indiscernible.

No. 208780

Can't find a man hate thread to post in so here goes.

In Hong Kong a man pretended to be a butch woman and hooked up with a lesbian online. They met irl to fuck and it wasn't until he whipped his dick out and penetrated her that the lesbian realized it was a he, and she called the police on him for rape. The kicker is that the scrote was found not guilty. All that agreed with the verdict are scrotes.

Piece of shit society I live in, as if the Commies aren't making life hell enough. Thank god I'm a lesbian and don't feel attraction to a gender that is mostly scum.

No. 208786

Jesus Christ that's awful, that poor woman. I actually lived in HK for a couple years and I really loved a lot of things about the place but a lot of the men I met and worked with were absolute scum. The things they said when they found out I was a lesbian made me want to punch them.

No. 208787

Going to my first gay party, wish me luck nonnas!

No. 208788

No idea who she is but she's gorgeous.

Good luck anon!

No. 208790

I'm not butch but I agree with this. It's hard to accept a woman would be unable to clock another woman's sex, it's gotta be homophobia at least in most cases. Butch women are amazingly masc but they're still built like women, even muscular ones. And that's one of the many great things about them lmfao

I love your energy, never change. I hope there are other people around you that can follow your lead on this. I want us all to stand our ground, especially against het women who we can reasonably defend ourselves against.

Manhate, pinkpill, GC are all banned on lolcow now and have been for a while unfortunately. Hopefully our thread is okay to post about that kinda thing still, idek. The news story itself is harrowing… I didn't know Hong Kong was that much of a shithole.

No. 208796

Some just don't get the idea that lesbians are lesbians not because they haven't had dick, nor would change their minds after being dicked. And they have the gall to call Hong Kong girls bitchy.

Between the death of democracy, the discrimination against East Asian minorities, discrimination against LGBT, and blatant sexism, Hong Kong really isn't the place to be right now. Half of my friend circle are BNO holders and are planning on fleeing to the UK, and I don't blame them.

No. 208815

Yeah! transitioned lesbians just look female.

No. 208819

Absolutely based post nonnie and completely agree. Literally nobody reads butches as male and it's all about homophobia and misogyny, it's just an indisputable fact. But butches sadly are conditioned to believe they're comparable to men and should be super self conscious of everything they do to avoid offending tradwifes, more of them should be made aware of this.

No. 208839

I don't know if anyone remembers me, but I'm the one who was blindsided by my ex going on a smear campaign about me. I almost let that destroy me, but I have come to terms that my ex is 100% a narcissist and the signs were actually always there. I will not let her get in the way of my own healing.

No. 208853

I don't remember the specifics as I have memory issues but I do remember you talking about your situation here and I'm glad to hear you're doing better, nonny. I went through something similar with my ex and finally letting go of that grudge and accepting that the people who truly know me will know what to believe made me feel very peaceful. Sometimes you really do have to take the high road.

No. 208865

people here are so much chiller compared to the clg lesbians. does cc have a les thread btw.

No. 208888

the inner rabid feminist in me makes me feel so guilty for being attracted to women. I feel horny by thinking about women being sexy and I instantly guilt-trip myself by convincing myself that only coomer-brained scrotes think those types of thoughts. being raised catholic isn't helping much either.
unrel but a lesbian coworker/friend loves to tell me about her hookups and is a butch fuckboy (fuckgirl?) but i want to have sex with her so badly

No. 208890

You should go for it

No. 208892

men and communists ruining our beautiful island, we should train the wild boars to eat party members

No. 208926

There was also a case recently (I think it was in the UK) where a lesbian hooked up with a TIM. When she found out he was a TIM she sued him and he dressed super masculine in court so that no one would believe she actually thought he was female. He won of course.

No. 209006

sleep with her, do it.

No. 209015

go see what she's got and then come back here and tell us about it.

No. 209018

katie herzog has a twin sister oh shit

No. 209019

God Herzog is hot. I know it's not very feminist but I wanna be in a polycule with her and (alive) Magdalen Berns

No. 209020

based anon, i hope you spend time with them in your dreams

No. 209033

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I had a really sweet, beautiful dream last night where I had a butch gf and we were fucking and cuddling and fucking over and over and the light shining through our bedroom window was so soft and warm… I'm losing my mind I need to get out there. Thinking about that dream makes me feel all sorts of wistful. picrel show was a gendery bisexual mess but dream gf had short blonde hair and I can't be assed to find a different pic that will fit the post rn.

No. 209041

nonitas how do i go about fucking a woman. i'm so irresponsibly horny these days i can't handle it. i understand the answer is dating apps like tinder but what do i say. i feel so awkward. every conversation either dies so fast or it's revealed the girl has a walking fungus of a boyfriend.

No. 209067

how are we all so relentlessly horny ITT, goddamn

i have a ridiculous crush on this cute butch cashier because she helped me get my keys unstuck from the bottom of the shopping basket once and then she also recognized me from it a week later and was really nice about the whole thing. i feel like trying to ask her out while she's on the clock is scrote-tier creepiness however so i will sit and pine and do nothing as usual (plus with my luck, she's probably married or something)

No. 209088

Try flirting with her a little bit, next time. That way, if she doesn't respond, then you know you have no chance. Also, if you do get to ask her out, it won't come out completely out of left field.

No. 209101

Feels like everyone likes femmes or butches, but no one who's in between or "chapstick". Feels bad.

No. 209102

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>how do you feel about labels?
Feels like everyone defines themselves by the clothes they generally decide to wear. You have to fit into /this/ specific box of manly or girly girl for some reason.

Does no one ever like to dress in fun girly clothes one day and practical clothes another? I feel like people expect you to be one archetype and stay that way. But for me it depends on where I'll be and how I feel. Also, I guess when I dress girly it's because I think people are more forgiving of how awkward I am, so I'm cute awkward instead of creepy awkward. And it might throw people off radar so I can seem straight to other girls and my family. If I'm dressing manly/practical, I want to be left alone and escape the prison of femininity (lots of harassment to lots of girls here). But dressing for me would mean big boots and glittery stuff and a skirt that's puffy. Anything that's comfy, flouncy and fun.

>>209101 You're really heckin' valid, I specifically love that in between of manly and girly girl. But do you dress like that every day? Do you think other people can tell if you're homo by your style and mannerisms?

UNRELATED but the thread pic doesn't look like a couple. They both have the same curly hair, strong nose and level brows. It looks like siblings playing dress up.

And not to dig up old feuds, but are there actual homo women who watch homo men animes and think 'yummy scrummy'? How can a fujoshi who wants to see men that way be a real homo woman? Are they not just bi in denial at least?

No. 209112

I'm between both in style and mannerism and I feel really comfortable with myself this way. I haven't noticed a lack of attention from lesbians/bisexuals but I do look GNC. If you're "straight passing" I can see why you'd be frustrated.

Please don't open the fujoshit can of worms anon, I beg you.

No. 209115

nonnies, i work at a hardware store and the most beautiful woman walked in for some light fixtures. She had the kind of raven black hair that looks blue in some lights and the most striking icy blue eyes and her teeth were perfect. She had this alto voice and by her accent i figured she was german and like a grade a tool i started stuttering trying to speak german even though i know german. She said that my german was good and after i rang up her stuff she gave me a sweet smile and a "tschüß". I could have died right there.

Why does it hurt so much?

No. 209116

fuck i chuckled cause in finding the comfy space between butch and femme i started wearing tinted chapstick cause it’s easier than lipstick.

No. 209136

Both me and my wife are this way, anon! I had dreams of being a butch when I was younger, but I'm just not masculine enough to pull it off. So I'm in the middle.

No. 209138

to be fair i've noticed some lesbian fujoshis headcannon male characters as more feminine. A lot of them make fanart or write fanfic involving crossdressing and use feminine adjectives to describe them. I guess they project on male characters.
Either that or they're scrotes.
I might fall under fujo because I like some mlm media but I've never been attracted to the characters. I just like the themes fujo related media often have, e.g. angst, yearning, internalized homophobia. There are some wlw media that have those themes but not nearly as much as the mlm ones, because too many scrotes write wlw. I'm not a fan of fujo media that involves crossdressing, it feels scroteish.

No. 209146

>Anime skirt go spinny gif
>girly girl girly girly tee hee
>"I guess when I dress girly it's because I think people are more forgiving of how awkward I am, so I'm cute awkward instead of creepy awkward"
>heckin' valid
>Weird baby talk all over
>Randomly starts shit about fujos not being true and honest lesbos
Honest question, are you a troon?

No. 209148

Had a shit night, got like four hours of sleep and did not feel bright and rosy when it was time to grab a bag of leftovers and get on the commute to work. Then all of a sudden my day is turned around when the train ticket controllant is this gorgeous butch in a suit. Her smile when she checked my ticket made me forget the question about traffic I had so I had to flag her down later to ask and all that same time she's just smiling and being so god damned handsome. My slight stutter broke out a little, I think, which I truly hope she didn't notice. I felt like crap hiding inside my huge black hoodie with music blasting in my ears to try and wake up and suddenly the world is all sunny because she's so fucking radiant. When I got off at my stop I looked back and caught her eye again, we both smiled. Shitty morning turned around entirely. It's crazy how sudden and strong attraction can be and how deeply it can affect you. I'm still on an oxytocin rush. I love women, I love women so much.

No. 209151

>How can a fujoshi who wants to see men that way be a real homo woman? Are they not just bi in denial at least?
Fuck it, I'll bite.

I love the complexity and beauty of real, live women. Every women I've ever met, even the worst of them, will have something I find inherently interesting or wonderful about them. 2D men are like funny little barbie dolls I can make kiss for my amusement without having to feel guilt for watering down or objectifying other women.

I thought I was bi for around 10 years because I loved 2D boys so much, but the second a real man even looked at me I'd feel physically ill. I was the type of person who would be like "my taste is feminine boys and all women" but when I actually got into a situation where a feminine man was interested in me I was literally physically nauseated at his attraction towards me. I was pretty much only dating or crushing on girls during all that time, but I struggled to call myself a lesbian in part because my fujo tendencies became such a huge part of my hobbies. It helped knowing that I had other lesbian friends who were also fujos, idk why this is common but it is.

I still prefer 2D media with male character focus and m/m ships, maybe because I like that there's little to no chance for misogyny to suddenly appear in the middle of the romance, or because some f/f stuff hits way too close to home. Sometimes when I want to scratch that romance itch, it's hard to pick up a lesbian series and not be hit with longing or old memories, or to pick up a het series and be grossed out on behalf of the woman. With m/m I can just zone out and watch some pretty anime people that barely resemble real men and barely act like real men be happy together.

No. 209154

Kek I was going to ask the same. Talk about serious tranny vibes
That's so cute nonny! I hope you get to see her again

No. 209161

Your last paragraph summed it up perfectly. I'm a degenerate when it comes to m/m but I can't stomach anything m/f, I always start feeling bad about what the girl character has to go through or get mad over how she's given the worst, objectifying writing possible. Being a lesbian I also can't relate to these het romances at all, whether you want it or not there is always a male to female power imbalance between them, even if fictional.

And as for f/f representation, most seen in fiction are either sexualized ultra femme/femme created by and for scrotes and bihets or woke-pandering, performative, infantilized ~sapphic~ garbage for snowflakes so there isn't much left to enjoy - even if it was a good, interesting lesbian couple there's still a possibility of some moid masturbating over it. They sexualize every inch of being a woman and especially being a lesbian, so you're never safe. But when it comes to m/m material they're absolutely repulsed, especially when it's two female-created men who act and look like nothing like IRL males. A perfect escape, so to say, you're just supposed to read between the lines.

Like you, I also thought I was bi because I liked these fictional 2D anime men. But the thought of being with an IRL man has always been disgusting, unnatural and weird, I thought I just hadn't "met the right one" because why else would I be so attracted to fictional men? When I realized how many lesbian fujos there are and how a large part of the "attraction" was actually me self-inserting into the male character instead of crushing on him or straight out reading the character channelling the female author it all seemed to click.

Too bad so many autistic lesbian fujos are brainwashed into believing it's ~gender dysphoria~ and that they're actually gay trans men attracted to other gay trans men. Butch4butch relationships need to be popularized more.

No. 209163

I'm butch but my fiancée is "chapstick" or "futch" or whatever the hell you wanna call it. I love her versatility, she's confident in tomboyish stuff (and she loves to steal my clothes but I don't mind 'cause she looks better in them than I do) and confident in traditionally feminine stuff and confident in anything in-between. I really do admire the fact that's she not held back by any norms. I think women like that are the majority nowadays, given that most butches and GNC dykes have trooned out and femmes seem to be dying out too for some reason. I guess the lack of a concrete label makes it hard for women who are "in-between" to actively communicate with each other.

That anon is a troon and no one here can convince me otherwise. Males are a special kind of retarded when it comes to impersonating women and I can spot them a mile off.

No. 209164

>Butch4butch relationships need to be popularized more.
This, I genuinely cannot think of any popular butch/butch couples or stories outside of that one autobiographical manga about the butch girl talking about how hard it is to date other butch girls, pic related. I'm femme myself and even though I also like other femmes, there's something so… sanitized? artificial? about how EVERY major f/f ship is either femme/femme or like "comparatively butch"/femme. I love butches, and I feel like the vast majority of lesbians I know irl aren't nearly as femme as are often portrayed in media and I feel like that really negatively affects the perception that some young lesbians have of other lesbians.

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>pic related
>drops pic
Good job, me.

No. 209169

Seconding that you sound like a tranny. But for humor reasons, I'll entertain the fujo question too.

>>209151 nailed it pretty well. I was also one of those "I like feminine men and all women" people, but thought the reason I was never attracted or interested in any RL men was because they weren't feminine enough for my tastes. At some point, after encountering a decent amount of feminine men IRL and trying to look for pictures of men that I was attracted to, I realized that the level of femininity was not the issue, but the maleness altogether. Any time any man expressed attraction to me, I felt completely and utterly repulsed at the idea of being on the receiving end of their affections, even if they allegedly were my "type." I despised the thought of ever having sex with a man and came to understand that my m/f "fantasies" were just me self-inserting as the man.

But anyway, back to the fujoshit. I can't stand m/f ever for the same reasons as other fujo anon, because I can't tolerate when misogyny seeps through into the relationship and it disgusts me to see men attracted to women, lol. It never feels like just two people in a relationship, because the societal implications of such a pairing constantly linger. In retrospect, I've realized the reason I use to avoid f/f when I was younger was because it hit too close to home and the attraction to the characters felt far too genuine.

M/m lets you ignore all the societal power dynamics and just construct a relationship between two individuals without all the accompanying issues. I think I'm different than other fujo lesbians in that I actually heavily prefer f/f to m/m these days, there's just far more trash f/f than there is m/m, or at least garbage in a way I cannot handle. The issue is I'm a complete degenerate who wishes for the content I consume to have some sexual elements, or at the very least erotic, and most 18+ f/f is dogshit made for scrotes where you're supposed to voyeuristically look at two hyper-feminine girls having sex, instead of portrayed in a way where it actually feels like there is a dynamic between them.

There's also considerably more variety in settings and tone when it comes to m/m. Even the best of f/f tends to be of the upbeat, slice of life nature. I enjoy reading characters in an array of times and places, and am also quite fond of (intentionally) twisted & complex relationships, the second of which is exceedingly rare. In any f/f I've found, at least. The most twisted you tend to get is incest, which I hate.

I can get by on m/m erotica because the panels I prefer are the ones where you're not really looking at a male body, but closeups of hands, face shots where the person in question bears zero resemblance to a real male, or anything that's focusing on the words they're saying to each other rather than what they look like. And when they're clothed, any similarity to a real male drops to subzero.

>woke-pandering, performative, infantilized ~sapphic~ garbage for snowflakes

Kek, exactly, I hate that shit. I'd literally rather read f/f for scrotes than the sanitized "let's wokely uwu then hold hands" mind-numbing dross that sometimes gets recommended as an alternative.

Anyway, I think it tends to be fairly obvious when a fujo is actually a lesbian vs the comphet masterdoc addled bisexuals who read "lesbians sometimes like fictional men" and ran with it. In my experience, fujo lesbians are more interested in the dynamics, whereas the bis fixate on lusting after a specific male character.

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Also, the thread pic definitely looks like a couple. Look at the hand placement. It's not as if tons of hetero couples don't sometimes resemble each other.

After doing some googling, it seems to be a promo shoot for Lily Elsie & Adrienne Augarde for a play called the New Aladdin. So not actually a couple, but intended to look like one. Picrel, obviously.

No. 209173

It's also funny how people keep insisting that characters in fujoshit "don't even look like real men" yet still accuse lesbian fujos of being "closeted bisexuals" because the characters just don't happen to have female sex characteristics. Make up your mind.

Kek tranny-kun probably needs them to be sloppily making out to be a "real lesbian couple"

No. 209174

>Kek tranny-kun probably needs them to be sloppily making out to be a "real lesbian couple"
Exactly. Men have a hard time conceptualising female homosexual intimacy because straight women are typically quite tactile with their friends so if we're not shoving our tongues down each others throats it's just gals being pals.

No. 209175

Where am I accusing lesbian fujos of being bisexuals? They don't look like real men so you can squint and work with it if you like the dynamic. Doesn't mean the bis who talk endlessly about fucking a male character don't read as bisexual to me, because they're actually focusing on the male sex characteristics. Those people aren't even fujos, so I wasn't calling fujos closeted bisexuals. I guess my wording wasn't clear but I was trying to differentiate between fujos and the people who talk about sucking the dicks of ten thousand male characters but say its comphet.

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No. 209177

God, can't at least this thread be free of sperging about fujos and fictional scrotes?!

No. 209178

It was referencing to the initial tranny post above sperging about muh closeted bisexuals.

Sorry anon but seeing how being a fujo is almost synonymous with being a lesbian in Japan and how many nerdy lesbians started realizing their sexuality when talking about sexual things with other girls using boy characters as stand-ins it's a pretty integral part of their identity and bound to come up every now and then. Especially when the thread gets baited by some spinny skirt troon.

No. 209179

Lesbians just fukkin chug the “all women are queens” juice don’t we.

The staff member at my local boots who handled the flu and covid jabs was a dream. fauxhawk, helix piercings as standard. she was wearing a suit and i was swooning.

No. 209180

Hey man, I said I preferred f/f. So if you have good f/f to talk about, be my guest.

Yeah, for whatever reasons anyone wants to theorize about, it's a phenomenon. So it's going to come up sometimes.

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>quite fond of (intentionally) twisted & complex relationships, the second of which is exceedingly rare.
I actually really liked early Orange is the New Black because of this. It had it's own slew of issues overall, but I really loved Piper and Alex's relationship in the first two seasons. They were so messy and toxic but so interesting and sexy. My friends gave me shit for liking Piper because she's such an awful person, but she was so entertaining to watch because of it.

No. 209187

The first few seasons of OITNB were my guilty pleasure as well. My favorite was whoever Natasha Lyonne's character and her love interest were. They had a very messy relationship too, iirc.

I just wish we had a female version of Hannibal/Will Graham. It's one of my favorite twisted dynamics. I know Killing Eve hits some similar beats (and I do love that show, not fully caught up yet though) but Hannigram has more of Hannibal mentally fucking with Will directly and huge abuses of power, which I like.

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I see people sperging about Supergirl (?) on Tumblr and I can't bring myself to watch a capeshit show just to see a lesbian. It looks like they're not even actually dating. Currently debating whether I wanna ruin my nostalgia for The L Word by watching the new qweer~ season. I hear they're gonna pair Shane with a tranny and it's keeping me from watching. Why…

I was super excited about the Locked Tomb book series because it has tropes I like but I discovered the author is a "lesbian" who is happily married to a man. Her cope is that she was a Homestuck back in the day and bought into the idea of non-sexual romance and the quadranted poly bullshit that comic came up with so she married her best friend… for some reason? I hate that. The books are still good and I'll read them but I wish I could erase from my memory the information that she is a fraud.

No. 209191

I used to have a few friends in the Supergirl fandom on tumblr and they're all high on copium. It's not canon and never will be and the show fucking sucks anyway. I love Katie McGrath but even she can't make that show watchable.
>she was a Homestuck back in the day and bought into the idea of non-sexual romance and the quadranted poly bullshit that comic came up with so she married her best friend
The shit bihet women come up with to defend their attraction to men lmao.

No. 209197

Yeah… I wanna hold out hope that it was an immigration/tax reason or something but I can't let myself believe that kinda bullshit when she has made no effort to explain herself. That she identifies as a lesbian and not just bi is an insult.

No. 209199

what's the point in marrying your best friend, why not just live with them long-term? especially if she's an actual lesbian who'd want to leave the door open to marry a woman someday.

being literally married to a man is going to be a massive turn off to any woman looking to pursue real relationships with you. bihets are so goddamn annoying and i don't understand why they're so desperate to call themselves lesbians.

No. 209204

Can't believe you would say something like this to me. Literally shaking in my aliexpress platform boots rn.
I meant I try to appear feminine because I want straight women to accept me. I used to have girls suspect I was gay, and as soon as word got round it was like fake niceness. Being held at a distance by close friends and girls asking you personal things or 'testing' you. I became really paranoid about appearing homosexual so I feel as though feminine appearances would throw people off.

I would wear a puffy skirt but I hate the way makeup feels and it feels like I'm insulting myself by wearing it. I don't shave but I would love to wear nail polish that makes me happy. I don't think that makes me a 'troon'.

I said 'heckin' valid' ironically, but it seems as though we both have autism seeing as you didn't get that.

And the fujo stuff, I don't know if they watch it lustfully or because there are no women involved and it's 'distant'. I don't get yowee anime but if you do that's ok.


I believe you more because you believe that there are some masterdoc readers who think that lusting over men (b-but they're just drawings) doesn't make them bi. There's nothing wrong with being bi anyway, unless you built your identity over being a homo.

However, fujos who enjoy seeing dynamics between two people and relationships unfold from a removed standpoint, I understand, that doesn't necessarily sound lustful. I'm a severe yurifag though and I don't get how it can be better then yuri (I understand the 'troon' comments for me now lul)
im crying i just said they look similar

No. 209218

I honestly also thought heckin' valid was said in full seriousness. Tism strikes again.

Anyway, like I said I do prefer f/f, it's just that the pool is rather limited. So I guess these days I'm a fujo by circumstance.

So many lesbians in this corner of the art scene are fujos that it actually makes me feel a bit scrote-y for liking yuri sometimes. Especially since I tend to get bored if the entire thing is PG (would probably apply less if most yuri wasn't slice of life). I'd like to talk about yuri with more lesbians but troons overrun absolutely any discussion of it. And have shit taste, because they're moids.

I also like yuri VNs but I wish more of them were dating simulator style instead of kinetic novels with a set story. It sort of contributes to the feeling that the experience is meant to be from a voyeuristic, male perspective rather than one where you relate to the characters. It feels very lame to admit that I wish more f/f media was styled in a way where you're meant to self insert but I don't interact with any other media I consume in that matter and I suppose it's alright to be indulgent sometimes.

No. 209247

>on the train, kinda crowded
>standing sheepishly in front of two women sitting down
>one looks at me and says she likes my flannel, calls it cool, holds eye contact
>look down awkwardly after catching a glance at their name tag thingies
>some kinda church
>I'm holding one of those rainbow Ikea bags for gays
>avoid the gaze of the one that spoke to me till they get off

I was never smooth but I'm spilling criminal levels of spaghetti because of lack of social contact in lockdown.

No. 209258

I feel the same way anon. I love the Locked Tomb books but Tamsyn Muir being a bisexual larping as a lesbian killed my hype for the series. I think what bothers me most about this is that the majority of Tor's/Tamsyn's marketing for the books focused on her experience growing up as a lesbian. The fact that they very carefully refer to her husband as her 'partner' is super shady, like they're trying to hide the fact that she's married to a whole ass man.

No. 209266

I've definitely noticed this and I'm not even really into m/m. Often f/f is written either totally uninteresting and passionless or grossly pornified (and somehow still also passionless). On top of that, look at any website people publish slash on (AO3 for example) and the m/m and m/f categories are vastly larger than f/f. So not only is there a lot of bad to filter out but there isn't even much to begin with… the number of good f/f that I've read is probably in the single digits and it's not for lack of trying.

No. 209339

>I hate the way makeup feels and it feels like I'm insulting myself by wearing it
That's exactly how I feel. I love feminine fashion but the idea of women being judged as not good enough to just exist, and needing to "make up" (see what I did there?) for it by jumping through extra hurdles because by just existing without the fuss women are "trying to be men" or something, really pisses me off to contribute to. It's so interesting how, when you're feminine enough to pass as straight, women (even bisexuals and some lesbians who know you're a lesbian) think putting the word butch before lesbian gives them the right to unleash their unhinged homophobia because they assume you'll agree if it's not about femmes.

No. 209340

Sauce on this? I thought I was the only one who did research on her, read the article where she talked about being a lesbian and then saw in her bio that she was married to man. What the fuck.

No. 209351

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So there are a few sources. One was her Wikipedia, the other was her old Tumblr blog, the third is her Twitter. The tweet announcing her marriage is still up on her Twitter, though the Wiki page has been scrubbed. Her old Tumblr might also still be up, it was all about Homestuck.


No. 209354

No her wikipedia page as of right now states that she is married to her husband. Although if you look at the page's edit history, you can see edits back and forth adding/removing info pertaining to her marriage.

No. 209357

Yeah. It feels like there's no 'just exist' for women. A guy puts on a pair of jeans and a shirt, fine, nobody cares. A girl does that, it's 'trying to be different'? And it feels like you can be called nlog for not wanting to fit into a tiny box of femininity that many other women don't want to be in either. But to fit in that box would also make you frivolous and girly, vain.

For us there's no winning unless we stop caring and seeing ourselves through other people's eyes. I always feel more human surrounded by other women because I'm seen as a fellow, a human, a soul more than a body.
Around men, I feel I become an 'other' either an interest, a nuisance, or something silly. That's why I'm sad places like Michfest may be gone for a while. It was a place for women to be human, to thrive, be safe, freely expressive. It wasn't anti man, it just didn't involve them- and that's why it was so freeing. I hope this website stays up.

No. 209362

I get you, I don't get how my aunt and sister can claim to like men better as friends lol. I almost want to reply that it's great as long as the man doesn't want to fuck you winch is chances are that he does.

No. 209403

Embarassing encounters on public transportations? Count me in.

>on bus, standing back against wall

>tall short haired woman standing in front of me
>bus does fast u-turn, woman lets go of handrail and leans forward, right hand pressing on the window next to my ear
>she chuckles and says sorry, doesn't stand back up
>oh no she sounds hot
>face is so close wtf
>it-it's ok
>woman still not standing back up
>praying for her to remember social distancing
>ears flares up, face turns red, eyes darting everywhere to avoid looking at woman
>position kept until I get off the bus
>facepalms once I get home

No. 209420

ngl this was hot and your pathetic squeamishness was a contributing factor.

No. 209450

are there no good lesbian dating apps? i feel like there are no lesbians where i live anyway, so maybe i shouldnt even try.

No. 209526

You put it into words perfectly anon. Why can't women just BE? We're always being put into categories even when it's not our intention - she's too girly because she likes makeup and skirts, that one's too masculine because her hair is short. Why does there have to be a bigger and deeper meaning to normal things we do and wear? Why can't we just live like a human without getting labelled over the littlest things?

No. 209530

I wish there were more '"loser" women in the world. It feels like everyone on the apps has their shit together, has a decent career, travels. I just wanna meet another lesbian poorfag. The only women in my league financially are bihet single moms looking to try a woman this time.

No. 209544

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Jannies redtext that like it's a bad thing.

No. 209545

>red-pilled lesbian
nothing redpill was even said if anything the post was criticising men, that's just their pearlclutching way of calling anon a manly dyke because the truth hurts

No. 209547

I feel bad for laughing really because if I got that ban message I'd be fuming but I thought I'd screenshot it for posterity. Case #54586593469 of lolcows lesbophobia problem. Redpill-chan was responding to an unhinged anon who called Seth Rogen a "sexy dad", she was right and she was saying what we were all thinking.

No. 209555

Sexy dad is such a cope lmfao

No. 209556

The whole "dadbod" trend is just copium for fat dudes. Women are the ones that actually carry the baby for 9 fucking months and have their bodies changed permanently but no, never mind the mothers. Let's cut men slack for getting fat. Fucking ridiculous.

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kek nonnie, you reminded me of this webm

No. 209579

Hmm 'dad bod' is literally my ideal moid body type so some people do find it attractive. Even the whole concept kind of turns me on like I wanna fuck a moid who's realised his life is kind of meaningless & hasn't had anyone pay attention to him as a person for a bit or something idk. Sorry I just realised this is the lesbian thread saged for straightfagging

No. 209580

im also a lesbian poorfag, if that helps anon. everyone has their lives together and i’m just the broke one.

No. 209589

>if anything the post was criticising men

Her post didnt say anything about men, it was just shitting on straight women. Seth Rogan is not remotely sexy and never was but still.

No. 209593

The girl on the right gives me weird vibes but the energy is incredibly hot

No. 209607

I usually roll my eyes when anons say heterosexuality is an illness and such, but the anon thirsting for Seth Rogen needed to be shamed for her own good

No. 209612

i agree with other anon. i wish i could manifest the energy of that woman but i'm a short awkward dykelet

No. 209618

Poorfag solidarity. I want a gf so bad but every time I think about signing up to an app or going out to meet someone, I'm instantly reminded of my sad ass bank account and the fact I still live (closeted) with my parents. I'm trying to just focus on my career right now but I wish I was better at making money so I could be more available and meet someone.

No. 209620

do it anyway anon. you don't need to be wealthy to date someone. don't waste time feeling sorry for yourself or making excuses. download literally every app and start looking. it'll take a while to find a good match anyway.

No. 209627

It's not really about being wealthy, rather, I have literally no expendable money right now, also no car, I'd be a complete leech if I met someone right now. I have confidence in some aspects of my life, but I find a deep shame in having to ask people to cover me for basic things like food and drinks if we go out. Ideally, I'd love to be the person treating my date, so not being able to cover my own ass lately is rough. Thanks for the encouragement but I want to get myself reliable income in my field before I can think of myself as ready to date.

Also because my parents are religious, I want to have some money in the chance they decide to kick me out or something if I have a gf. I hid my relationships when I was a teen and I don't want to do that any more out of respect for the girls I'd be dating, but I don't want to come out while still being dependant on my family and risk losing a home. Sorry for blogging, it's just been on my mind a lot lately.

No. 209638

>enter gay cocktail bar
>3 older lesbian elder goddesses already seated at the bar
>they see me coming in and all look and smile at me
>we nod at each other, there is such kindness in their eyes
>feel extremely good about it
>get flustered and sheepishly sign in to the bar's covid contact list thing and be seated at the opposite end of the bar
>eye them all night betwixt my zoomer phone addiction looking situtation
>truth is my friend bailed on me and i drank alone and texted with other friends instead because of it
anyway that was my night.

No. 209639

This post just reminded me of how my longterm gf hides our relationship from her mother. I honestly really hate it, but her mother is retarded and for financial reasons we have to stay at her place at the moment.

It just feels really bad whenever she pulls away from me when her mother comes into the room. Hate that woman.

No. 209641

part of what peaked me was troons getting into the ladies room at the bus station while old ladies eyeballs popped out of their heads as they yelled at me once my butch ass turned toward the womens side of the entrance

No. 209642

i think idris elba's wife is perfect and i love her and he looks way older than 49 and she should divorce him and come to my garden party

No. 209647

I'm not even necessarily a loser, but my past keeps haunting me. I sometimes feel like one of the few single women in my area who has a poor working class background. I don't want to be pitied or looked down on or be treated like "not like the other poors" or have the constant implication that the rest of my family is just lazy. It becomes very difficult to relate to middle class born with a silver spoon in the mouth types. At the same time I've changed, my vocabulary changed due to being lucky enough to go to university. It wouldn't surprise me if I've become difficult to relate to too, but just because I know a couple fancy words, doesn't mean I've stopped being white trash.

No. 209650

I met a really cool lesbian when I went fishing this morning. We were both out to catch something to cook for lunch for our partners and I love that. It was really nice to share some coffee with a fellow butch and talk about domestic stuff and weddings and kids like it was the most natural thing in the world. Usually I just meet sketchy moids when I'm fishing.

No. 209655

>but just because I know a couple fancy words, doesn't mean I've stopped being white trash.
I think this is part of it for me too. I don’t want to be dirt poor forever, I’m planning to do community college and at least get out of retail hell. But I’m not ambitious, or career driven. If I had more money I’d want to move to my parent’s hometown and help out my family and smoke pot with my cousins, not live in a nice suburb/city. I could never have a relationship with a woman who didn’t get along with my extremely trashy (but very sweet and not even homophobic) family. Idk I want someone who sees the value in my background because there's a lot I really love about it.

Sorry for blog I just have a lot of feelings kek. I yearn for a woman who will build me a time machine and take me to prom on a tractor.

No. 209666

Same, I >>209647 just want to get a trailer or build my own cabin once I have the money for some land, the city is too chaotic for me and I just don't fit in. Grow my own weed and some edible crops. My degree probably makes others think I'm looking to be some sort of powercouple or climb the ladder.
>Idk I want someone who sees the value in my background because there's a lot I really love about it.
Same, I'm not American or in/from the US, but I feel kinship as a fellow southerner. There is something relaxed about it, an acceptance of chaos and imperfection within families and people which city folk don't seem to understand, even though cities themselves can be quite chaotic. The food too.
>Sorry for blog I just have a lot of feelings kek. I yearn for a woman who will build me a time machine and take me to prom on a tractor.
Sounds like a wonderful dream anon, hope you can realize it!

No. 209668

Does the mother think you are just friends? How did you explain you having to move there? Sorry just curious.

No. 209671

>>209650 i love the feeling when you meet someone like you and you stop feeling like an outsider for a short while. Always wanting to get into fishing too (i want to be a pirate) so maybe fishing and vintage fashion can be like homo dogwhistles lol.

Maybe she became bisexual later in life though after starting off being gay. I heard you can change with age.

No. 209688

It was nice to meet another lesbian organically too. Usually I have to put up with shit like bumble to try and find lesbian friends but there was literally one right under my nose at my local fishing spot. My fiancée actually bought me a "women want me, fish fear me" cap that I always wear when fishing now so I'm trying my hardest to claim this hobby for the lesbians kek.

No. 209698

I really wanna wear a fucking suit and tie to my cousin's upcoming wedding but my dad already insults and disapproves of me for getting a "gay" haircut and my family is Catholic. I think going in a suit with this hair would just end me but I wanna do it anyway. I'll probably be sorry if my family cuts me off for this but I hate I'm in this position in the first place. With nearly everything in my life I'm like no fucks given do what I want. But because of some homophobic assholes I feel pressured to wear a fucking wig and dress. If it wasn't obvious no I'm not out. Just venting in anguish.

Anons feel free to say what you would do in my position, I'm curious.

No. 209699

I've been in a similar position to yours. I caused a lot of arguing by wearing a shirt and tie (was a poorfag who couldn't afford the full suit back then) to my Bat Mitzvah and my deeply religious, deeply homophobic family still hate me to this day for it. Thing is I wasn't even out my family back then but they already sensed I was gay due to my GNC ways so I was just burning that final bridge. It was tense at the time and I've had moments where I thought I did the wrong thing but I know now I took the right path. There's no pleasing religious fanatics, if you're already getting shit for a fucking haircut then I say go all out and wear a suit too.

No. 209703

>heard you can change with age
Not gonna touch that, another can of worms.
However she still identifies as lesbian, markets her books as a lesbian author, and wants people to think she is same sex attracted and only platonically married to this man.

Maybe just don't show up to the wedding? While I want you to be able to just wear what you want and not be judged, another perspective on it is that it's someon'es wedding and you showing up in attire that will cause drama is probably a bigger fuck you to your cousin than not showing up. Don't make someone's wedding about you. Just don't go.

No. 209712

Idk my mom said i can change for the right guy and an anon in the bi thread said she used to be gay until her early 20s, so it seems possible. I think it’s super dishonest of that author to do that though and market herself as something she’s not.
Kek i love your fiancée for that, we had better colonise fishing so we can congregate. For some reason gay girls end up finding me anyway even though my hair is long. Still don’t know how they can tell. I imagine finding girls like us on the internet to be a nightmare.

No. 209742

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That anon didn't use to be gay, she just didn't realize she was bi the whole time. You keep referring back to your mom, are you a child or something?

No. 209743

fuck off

No. 209777

ayrt, that's a good point. It was selfish to not consider how they'd feel if I caused a scene at their wedding. No I'm not in the wrong for wanting to dress and appear as I want to, but the potential conflict it would bring would be uncool to inflict on them. The bride and groom aren't even among the homophobic one, it's just the retarded boomers.

No. 209778

Sorry for the late reply anon. Yeah, the mother thinks we're just close friends/roommates. We live in a high cost of living area, so it's pretty much impossible to live on your own unless you have a high paying job, so it's acceptable to her for us to be together to split rent and bills.

I have no idea how she hasn't figured it out yet. I guess if there's anything I've learned it's that straight people can very willfully view anything kinda gay as 'they're just friends!' lol.

No. 209800

Is your mother going to find a shared bed and you’ll just have to say it’s to save a cost on beds and use body heat to save on heating?

No. 209809

The one good effect of people viewing female intimacy as devoid of sexuality and just a "gal pals" thing is that it's pretty easy to stay in the closet when you gotta. My first gf used to come watch my boxing matches and one time after the match she didn't think and gave me a peck on the lips and I was waiting for the aggressively homophobic mean girls to pounce on me for being a dyke and nothing happened. My gf just awkwardly followed it up with "I'm so proud of you, best friend!" and everyone seemed to buy it kek.

No. 209845

noo i need a ‘best friend’ to watch my matches and give me pecks ahhh

that is very cute

No. 209864

We hooked up but now she won't stop flirting with me and acting like an ass during work. RIP though the sex was worth it

No. 209872

>My gf just awkwardly followed it up with "I'm so proud of you, best friend!" and everyone seemed to buy it kek.

lol anon, I guess there's one benefit to the sexualisation of women
>gay people being gay
>everyone: just normal friend stuff, nothing to see here

No. 209929

I'm probably going to have to give up on dating, but it's a hard pill to swallow. Idk if I'm just THAT ugly or it's bc of the butch thing, but 9/10 likes are from agp's and couples, the last 1/10 is always someone 4 years younger than me, which makes me feel icky and wouldn't even work as friends. There are no lesbian bars near me and I have never been approached by a woman as an adult, that supposed butch ~privilege~ is nonsense. It's been years and my looks can only go downhill at this point. Do I really have to perform femininity to have someone interested in me besides agp's? Is it just my face? Are they all worried I'm going to troon out? I know insecurity isn't attractive, just a bit difficult to feel confident nowadays

No. 209947

I'm sorry nonny. You're probably not ugly, dating just really sucks right now. Even without the AGP/couple bullshit, lesbians are rare so it's always gonna be a challenge to find someone.

>Are they all worried I'm going to troon out?

This might be part of it unfortunately. Maybe try including a TERF dogwhistle in your profile? If it's safe for you to do so of course. Also are you into other butches/GNC women too? Or just femmes? I sometimes feel a bit intimidated swiping/hitting on butches because I'm not a femme. If you're into GNC/other butches you could try including a line about that in your profile.

>It's been years and my looks can only go downhill at this point.

Also don't fall for this, The Wall is scrote bullshit and women just get more sexy and interesting with age. Especially butches you're gonna be a silver fox.

No. 209949

>I sometimes feel a bit intimidated swiping/hitting on butches because I'm not a femme. If you're into GNC/other butches you could try including a line about that in your profile.
I included B4B in my profile and that I don't have a type, so open to different aesthetics. It's a difficult balancing act to dogwhistle being a terf, but also not scare off some of the hot nb's. I have found out about the concept gender nihilist, which is apparently accepted in queer circles, but idk if that would be too obviously crypto.
>Also don't fall for this, The Wall is scrote bullshit and women just get more sexy and interesting with age.
Logically I know you're right. It's just difficult to believe it when it seems all interest in me evaporated once I grew up. It's as if nobody was ever really into me or into butches, but I was just visible and available. Now I'm obsolete. At least it feels that way. I'm also just not as attractive as other butches, I hope lifting can make up for it.

No. 209951

I'm butch too and like >>209947 said you should try and include some TERF dogwhistles. There is a fear of butches of trooning out but to be fair it is frighteningly common these days. The dreaded "wall" is bullshit though. Women love the naturally grey stripe through my hair that caused me so much anxiety when I started greying. Honestly, I'm very average face wise but as a butch it's easy enough if you keep in shape (not to sound big headed but all the women I've been with have loved my muscles), dress well and smell nice. Not to state the obvious but your personality is what truly matters in the end, especially if you're seeking a relationship. Good manners and a sense of humour go a long way.

No. 209961

Ditto on the dogwhistle. I still swipe right anyway if it's unclear that they're not a gendie but there have been profiles I hesitated with because it's hard to tell if someone's NB or butch lately. No pronouns, mention of being GNC or some second wave feminism reference (libfems don't know anything about feminist history so it'll fly past their radar). "gender nihilist" seems okay, you can just play dumb. Again most libfems are not living on Tumblr looking to cancel people, the people you meet outside of the internet are not gonna clock a damn thing.

>women just get more sexy and interesting with age
Big agree. Working out does matter to me personally but wrinkles? Nope.

You're 100% spot on for me.

No. 210070

God damn it god fucking damn it I love my best friend. Even if we never get together, I just KNOW I'll never have this kind of relationship with anyone else. We've known each other for 10 years through the most turbulent and formative years of each others lives and it's only made us closer. Yet even though we're both gay she told me multiple times that she wasn't attracted to me. It was comforting before I developed feelings but now I can't see myself with anyone else and I have no idea if her opinion of me has changed. We lightheartedly kiss on the cheeks/hands sometimes but we kissed on the mouth recently and she just said "that was weird" and we never talked about it again. Fucking kill me.

No. 210075

I'm saying this to be kind, not cruel. But you need to start emotionally distancing yourself now, before she gets a gf. This women isn't interested in you and never will be. As much as it hurts to swallow that pill now, it's going to hurt 10x worse later.
>I just KNOW I'll never have this kind of relationship with anyone else.
Not with that attitude you won't! This woman is not your soulmate. You have a malignant case of oneitis and if you don't start the chemo today you're going to both ruin your friendship and miss out on your actual soulmate.

No. 210094

Bonds of love are chosen. You can choose to invest time into someone else, make memories, and grow just as close if not closer. If you never put in the effort to have something special with someone else, you never will. And you'll be stuck pining for someone that didn't choose you despite all the right pieces being in place. Move on babygirl.

No. 210233

Nonas I need to vent for a moment. I'm so done with straight people. I know it's beating a dead horse saying "heterosexuals am i right" but I'm so tired of them always failing to understand homophobia and acting like they have any idea how it is like to feel ashamed for falling in love or finding someone attractive, or full well knowing that your family will disown you if they knew. The trauma of growing up as a lesbian is so severe I don't want to have a relationship at all and I'm probably doomed to be alone for the rest of my days. I considered trooning out for years to escape the shame and guilt of not finding men attractive. I saw myself as a broken woman, a defective woman, someone who shouldn't exist and someone who is universally hated, even in circles that consider themselves "woke". Literally nobody gives a shit about us, especially if you're GNC. >>209339 described it with perfect accuracy.
>It's so interesting how, when you're feminine enough to pass as straight, women (even bisexuals and some lesbians who know you're a lesbian) think putting the word butch before lesbian gives them the right to unleash their unhinged homophobia because they assume you'll agree if it's not about femmes.

So taking all this into account, while all women get harassed and discriminated against for their sex it's in such poor taste for straight women to claim that in fact they are just as oppressed as lesbians are. Acting as if lesbians aren't below straight and straight-passing women in the societal hierarchy. Acting as if our struggles don't exist, or at least aren't worth explicitly mentioning as a separate issue. Listen, you might know what experiencing misogyny is like but you don't know about homophobia. Nobody will ever systemically shame, ridicule or belittle you for being attracted to men. Never will you know how it is. Someone making a "ugh imagine being attracted to men" jab has no power over you. Having a meltdown and threatening to revoke your allyship due to "heterophobia" tells more about you than the mean lesbian. I will forever defend women and their right to exist as equals to men as a feminist but as a lesbian - fuck your fragile heterosexual feelings and entitlement. Fuck it, keep it out of my face. How the fuck dare you be offended over something so insignificant.

No. 210246

There was something like this in the vent thread in /ot/ this week. Some idiots getting triggered cause a lesbian called Seth Rogen ugly and said women should have higher standards when it comes to men so obviously she got called a lescel by some girl virgin

No. 210267

Will you take the pill when homosexuality is cured?

No. 210270

Honestly I may be done building friendships with heterosexual women. So often they are completely blind to the idea that maybe their oppression as women doesn't give them insight into all kinds of oppression that they don't experience. Most are unwilling to learn, to humble themselves. I still care about all women in the feminist sense but I may just keep hetero women at arm's length at this point as there is always some bs lurking underneath the surface.

No. 210320

Ever since I pruned my social circle and only kept close friends with lesbians my social life has been so much better. I don't mind having work or gym friends who are bi or het but I'm not letting them get close because I'm sick of covert lesbophobia poisoning my friendships. I get a lot of shit when I talk about this, mainly from bi women who think it's a personal attack on their "queerness" but I just want likeminded friends who get me; it really is that simple. I'm nearly 31 with a serious illness, I'm done wasting time being the token lesbian friend who gets shat on. I encourage any lesbians who are struggling with their social circle not understanding them or being outright lesbophobic to do the same. It's freeing.

No. 210338

I think so, but then would I enjoy yuri light novels the same? I feel a little ill with myself for being this way and really hope to be a mother one day, but just can’t bring myself to go primal for a man like I do a woman- so would I raise kids without any natural father figure
just because of my lusts? I didn’t choose to be this way, so it’s not an ill intentioned choice, it just doesn’t go with my values, furthermore, I feel so othered to other women and disappointing to family who don’t like the lifestyle (even though i doing choose it) so I think being straight would be less mentally burdening. Like >>210233 said, the ‘broken woman’ feeling is real.

I hate the words ‘queer’ and ‘queerness’, it feels like people treat it like a hogwarts house or personality type.
People who would fit into society and be able to live normally just desperate for a spicy little label. Whoever said ‘when everyone is queer, no one will be queer’ was wise.
>>210246 I don’t like lesbophobia, experienced a lot of it, but sometimes I think lesbians can be a little misogynistic because they feel so othered to other women due to being different. So I understand the ‘lescel’ label, but hate being treated like a kind of foreigner by other women.

No. 210341

i'm repulsed at the thought of being attracted to men, so nah. as frustrated as i am being a lesbian sometimes, i think the alternatives are much worse.

No. 210351

> I don’t like lesbophobia, experienced a lot of it, but sometimes I think lesbians can be a little misogynistic because they feel so othered to other women due to being different. So I understand the ‘lescel’ label, but hate being treated like a kind of foreigner by other women.
I mean. Straight women being raging lesbophobes is also misogynistic, lesbians are still women even if other women think we're icky. And acknowledging that Seth Rogan is gross is not heterophobia or misogyny. Idk I feel like a lot of lesbians fall into a trap of giving straight women too much credit and assuming that if they hate us it's because there's a valid reason. There isn't though, lots of straight women are just normal homophobes who give gay men a pass because they're sassy and fun. I'm not saying it's impossible for lesbians to be assholes but honestly 99.9% of the time when a straight woman is complaining about lescels it's because she's a homophobe, not for any deep reason.

No. 210353

the way straight women treat us is a lot like how straight men treat gay men. tenuous tolerance aka plain old homophobia.

No. 210362

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i'm so sad that she's got deep internalized lesbophobia/misogyny smdh https://that-stone-butch.tumblr.com/post/657511481532989440/i-like-my-accessories-to-match-hehim-butch

No. 210363

But sure. No, because I don't want to vet my potential life partners to make sure they actually see me as an equal human being.

No. 210364


No. 210365

I've had troubling experiences where straight women started to accuse me of trying to come onto them or have a crush on them AFTER we became acquaintances. Even after knowing that I'm already engaged. I dunno if it's because I'm butch or what but they talk as though I'm a predatory dude just waiting to jump them. It's bizarre and awful.

No. 210367

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But wait, it gets dumber.

No. 210369

When I was in middle school a girl confessed her feelings to a straight girl and the reactions were insane. Straight girl told the whole school and acted as if she had been literally assaulted. Using words like “disgusting”, “pervert”, “I just don’t even feel SAFE anymore I had NO IDEA she was even a DYKE.” to describe the experience of an 12-year old girl asking if she wanted to be girlfriends. It didn't even happen in real life it was an MSN conversation I just do not believe this girl felt legitimately threatened by an nonthreatening nonsexual MSN message.

Even now my pathetic female-socialization instinct is to be like "that being said I definitely have sympathy for the straight girl because hey from her perspective we ARE disgusting monsters and the 12-year old lesbian really should have been more mindful of that #solidarity #supportourstraightsisters.". But that's retarded right? Like I can understand feeling awkward if a lesbian asks you out because yeah unreciprocated feelings are always awkward, but it's the automatic jump to 'predator' that makes me cranky. Sorry for rant. Idk it's really hard to integrate wanting to always make women feel comfortable and safe with the reality that lesbophobia exists and sometimes it actually isn’t our fault if they’re uncomfortable.

She's stunning holy shit. Why do the hottest butches always have to be the most retarded.

No. 210370

I would never. Even with the shame, homophobia, religious trauma, etc, I love being a lesbian. I love women and I love loving women as a woman. I'm glad I'm not a man and I'm glad I never have to live with one or let one touch me for the rest of my life.

No. 210371

>99.9% of the time when a straight woman is complaining about lescels it's because she's a homophobe, not for any deep reason.
Based and truthpilled. Never have I seen an abundance of these fabled bitter lesbian incels who try to pressure straight women into dating or sleeping with them or trying to shame them into homosexuality. Complaining about the small dating pool or wondering out loud how straight women can take the bullshit men give them isn't trying to homorape them. It's all about them being disgusted with lesbians and seeing them as the predatory homosexual trope, nothing more, nothing less.

Homophobic straight women lose their minds over butches and give their best effort to frame them as rapey Men Lite who will assault you the moment you turn your back around. It was discussed upthread how they try to pass it as them just "being afraid of males and reading them as such" or they "had bad experiences because a butch tried to hit on them once" yet simultaneously are completely comfortable being around with men.

>Even now my pathetic female-socialization instinct is to be like "that being said I definitely have sympathy for the straight girl because hey from her perspective we ARE disgusting monsters and the 12-year old lesbian really should have been more mindful of that #solidarity #supportourstraightsisters.".
Yep, it's bleak as fuck. Couldn't count the times a "straight sister" has been absolutely disrespectful to me and my boundaries yet I'm supposed to be the assigned pervert and constantly apologize for existing.

No. 210373

I feel that a lot of you guys spend a lot of time in radfem spaces (eg calling het women “straight sisters”, continuing to care for homophobes because of “feminist reasons”, constantly feeling bad for being part of female spaces etc etc). As someone who has also done that, I want to say that leaving feminist discourse has been one of the best things for feeling better about my sexuality. Most of the times radfems use lesbians as bullying targets and scapegoats because they know we will always bend over and apologize for existing. They don’t have any sisterhood towards us. Just my 2cents

No. 210374

>It's actually the radfems who booly lesbians!!
Just what in the ass are you talking about? The worst female-induced homophobia I've experienced has been from normie, non-feminist women who say shit like "now I'm not a homophobe but I just don't want to be around lesbians you know, they might come on to me". Tradthots are the next worst but they're rare and often unhinged to the point they're easy to spot and avoid, but regular people just blurt out homophobic crap out of the blue. Lesbophobia definitely exists in feminist spaces too but it's usually the "gendercrit" tradwifes who complain about muh heterophobia, not radfems.

No. 210375

it's all of them lmao

No. 210377

Yeah true, I feel like I got catholic tier shame from that. Sure normie non-feminist straight women aren't much better, but they don't literally say that you are objectifying women in exactly the same way as scrotes do and using all the feminist lingo to make you feel like you're bad for feminism by being actually attracted to women. Not just in the wholeseome handholding on a Tuesday, "choice", way. For some reason it hurts more after all the platitudes of how radical feminism is the only safe space for lesbians and butches in particular, when in reality it's just… not at all. I've been out of those groups for a while now, but I definitely internalized some shit. Being a safe space for polilez in polilez uniform isn't the same thing as being a welcoming space for us icky "lifelongs" and ~male-aligned~ butches.

No. 210383

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When I was first introduced to my home town’s lesbian/qweer scene as a teen like 15 years ago basically no one ever talked in terms of top/bottom stuff and even strongly identifying as femme or butch was kind of seen as somewhat cringy or at least really old-fashioned. It was seen as a given that gender roles are ultimately bs and that everyone’s allowed to do and wear and be whatever the fuck they wanted without further ado. I guess I thought this was like the standard or something but it must have been just a very brief period in time where this sort of culture was normal because it turns out a lot of lesbians are absolutely obsessed with their soft girly asexual powerbottom megatop stone butch pillow princess yes we exist micro identity shit, and suggesting women aren’t genetically wired to desire wearing frilly pink dresses is now troonsphobic and offensive and idk. I thought this obsession with top/bottom talk and who opens the jars and who’s the big spoon was a troon thing as well but maybe it’s not. It still makes me cringe though.

No. 210384

It's weird how the top/bottom dynamic made its way to the lesbian sphere like that and people made being a sub or a dom their entire personality. Way back me and my then girlfriend were asked which one is the "male" in the relationship so I guess heteronormativity just has to be implemented in some other form when both partners are the same sex.

It's retarded, I don't want to be a "top" or a "bottom" because I don't live in a 2deep4normie vanillas BDSM relationship. I get preferences like leaning towards more submissive or more aggressive type but it shouldn't be the status quo. Really telling when you have to make up redundant labels like "demisexual" in our pornified society, everyone has to be defined by their sexual behavior first and foremost.

No. 210387

>"terfs DNI" in bio
>can't see the irony of her own posts
christ, she's retarded…
she'll troon out soon. guaranteed.

No. 210390

Based and 100% accurate in my experience. Leaving radfem spaces was very healing for me as a "privileged" butch. It's not just the lesbophobia though, surrounding yourself with reminders of all the awful shit that women have to through is a sure fire way to depress yourself. I agree with most radfem opinions, but I cannot stand to be most radfems. Most of the online ones are frauds anyway and when you suggest they actually volunteer and help women in real life they get all bitchy and insist that dunking on troons on social media is praxis, actually. Lazy fucking NEETs.

No. 210394

>lescel by some girl virgin

This is exactly why you’ll never get any pussy lesbochan you have the etiquette of a disrespectful scrote

No. 210399

Maybe next time that anon shouldn't use a single example of a woman to shit on all bihets. Looks like she was just looking for an excuse to do that. Legit incel behavior. Anyway some lesbians are fucking hamplanet butches, so the "straights have no taste!!!" argument doesn't hold water.

No. 210400

NTA but the particular accounts I follow on tumblr are mostly other lesbian radfems and lesbian separatists. I haven't found any lesbo or butch phobia in my feed in the few months I've had my Tumblr account but I'm not gonna say it doesn't take place elsewhere. I do avoid straight radfems for the most part but I follow a few still. My feed is consistently lesbians acting naturally, celebrating our attraction to women and getting no hate from the radfems for it, notes included. I don't think it's right to paint with such broad strokes, for me joining radblr was such a huge gain, it helped me feel normal in my libfem pornsick shithole of a city. Radfem discord servers all seem cancerous though, I'm guessing they're thoroughly riddled with cancer like most discord servers are. The only thing I wish radblr did less is dunk on trannies as their main form of praxis, as you said. They also share resources but a lot of it is doomposting and seldom any real volunteer opportunities. I do see it sometimes, but it is primarily a tool to radicalize yourself and others. Radblr is not an activism group. I unfollow accounts or mute tags that annoy me and use it that way, if it ever comes to that.

As with all online spaces, the block button is your friend. I haven't had to use it because just following the right accounts was good enough for my timeline but in case you do need an online community and are negatively impacted by random users, abuse the block button.

No matter how fat she is, a woman will always have a better personality than a man and thus is appreciated outside of her appearance. Something a scrote lacks the capacity for. If you're gonna date a man, date one that hasn't given up on being in shape especially given their biological advantage when it comes to staying fit.

No. 210401

Feel like adding that being rude back to a seething retard isn't lesbophobia or ending allyship. One can support lesbian rights irl but still bitch out a sperg. Don't whine about that if you want to be a ~mean lesbian~. If you can dish it out, you can take it.
Also lesbians will never understand what it's like to be in a romantic relationship with an oppressing class, just like heterosexuals will not experience homophobia.
Who was talking about dating? I 2
100% agree with you though.

No. 210424

Seth Rogen isn't going to have sex with you, Jessica.

No. 210428

check out this loser

No. 210429

i am always looking for an excuse to shit on bihets because they're fucking annoying

No. 210490

You're right, but it sucks. Somehow the idea of her finding someone else is less painful than us both being single and not being together. Like, "you're complaining about wanting a gf but I'm right here? Hurry up and find someone then before I get my hopes up." That said, even small ways of distancing myself hurt. We're so close that something like not sleeping in the same bed when I visit feels so sad and lonely.

Bonds of love are chosen and she's the one that made me realize that, but I thought I was choosing platonic love until it was too late and I realized just how intense things had gotten. You and the other nonnie are right, that I should find a way to move on, but it's so hard when she's such a big part of my life and she's one of the only people so far I've ever wanted to make the effort for. I want to find someone else eventually, but it's too confusing and painful right now. A pathetic part of me just wants to wallow and pine for as long as I can.

I know I'm just whining and blogging, but I don't have anywhere else to put this because we have the same friend group and follow each other everywhere online, hah.

No. 210494

I had a mild argument today (or yesterday, rather) with my bisexual friends about if it's possible to sleep with the sex that's not within your sexuality. I had been complaining about people who declared themselves "lesbians" but still opted to sleep with men because they were horny/bored, and my friend jumped in to say that it was possible to sleep with someone that you aren't attracted to because of the physical sensations. Which I don't disagree with, but when you're homosexual or any exclusive sexuality, the sex that you're not capable of feeling sexual attraction to is… beyond just a vague sense of unattraction. I could not find pleasure with a male body, at all.

I literally am repulsed at the thought of sleeping with men. Even if I were to close my eyes and focus purely on the physical sensations, I just hate the thought. It's different than just having sex with a woman that I'm not particularly into. I attempted to explain this to her, but she dismissed it as me being "especially man-hating." Most of them agreed with her, and when I tried to suggest that perhaps their perspective is skewed because they're bisexual they brushed it off.

It was a petty argument at the end of the day but it's just so frustrating to me how bisexual people sometimes don't understand the concept of an exclusive orientation. Like, if someone is capable of seeking pleasure with a man, even if they don't prefer it, they are just… not a lesbian. She could be a very female-leaning bisexual, and that's perfectly alright and fantastic, but she has a distinct experience to me and other homosexuals. After realizing I'm a lesbian (and even before, but I don't dismiss the experience of some lesbians who have been pressured into having heterosexual sex) I would never, ever sleep with a man, no matter how bored or horny I am. My sexuality just doesn't operate in that manner.

I suppose I just had to rant a bit, kek.

No. 210498

It's not that your friends Don't understand what being a lesbian is, there just kind of a bit retarded.

No. 210503

>she dismissed it as me being "especially man-hating."
And this is why I don't discuss sexuality with straight people, that includes bis. Every time I try it turns into hetties legitimately becoming frustrated with me for absolutely not finding men attractive and accusing me of """misandry""", then bisexuals make it a whinefest about not being considered "real gays" for being attracted to men. While both refuse to even attempt to respect the fact that I do not want to fuck men under any circuimstances. The whole existence of lesbians seems be offensive to most people.

No. 210504

your friends are retarded. please find new ones

No. 210509

you just know a hettie or a bislut wrote this

No. 210510

Is that you, yaoi anon?

No. 210517

It's okay nonita. I know what you're going through and this kinda venting is welcome in our thread. We're here for you!

No. 210526

I'm so tired of one of my sisters pretending she's any form of bisexual or lesbian when she consistently goes on about men, actors, dick just everything. She harassed me for years with disgusting sexual comments about lesbianism because a different family member blurted out I had a girlfriend. She molested me for a year when I was a kid because I didn't know what the hell she was doing. She has absolutely no place within any lesbian spaces or relationships. She's considering getting involved with some lesbian couple because she's bored now that her boyfriend broke up. I hate it, I hate that I feel like I can't talk about this stuff anywhere. I don't care for bisexual, pansexual triplesexual whatever they say these days. Don't care to hear straight women say how liberating it is to dress scantily for men's eyes. That creepy troons invading every women specific space is just fine. I feel like I missed out on the generation of lesbians a bit before me who probably had their own tight knit community before this all blew up. I think I want a gf and maybe get married but it would take so much walking on eggshells. One girl I like right now is bisexual but I refuse to open that can of worms because I don't know her core beliefs and only want to date other lesbians which is something else I can't seem to say without someone flipping out.

No. 210532

yaoi fans or fujofags are all bisluts or annoying hets who pretend to be lesbian as a defence so they can reee if they ever get called out by others for their degeneracy and sheer annoying behaviour and pretend that their idiocy is valid bc you are totally oppressing the female gaze of the yaoi hole

No. 210533


No. 210545

Take it to the fujo thread, you'll be popular there.

No. 210577

They're mostly fine, just painfully male attracted sometimes. One of them who wasn't there at the time regularly makes fun of the self proclaimed lesbians who go on about how deeply they desire to suck male celebrity dick while maintaining that it's just comphet. I just had to vent, kek.

No. 210625

>While both refuse to even attempt to respect the fact that I do not want to fuck men under any circuimstances. The whole existence of lesbians seems be offensive to most people.
This is so painfully true. I cannot even begin to count the number of times straight women have shown me dick pics of their boyfriends and lovers to either antagonize me or "tempt me" in some way. They display their weirdest coping mechanisms around us.

No. 210630

You took the words out of my mouth, anon, holy shit. The amount of times that people have verbally doubted my sexuality to my face is astounding, and then they continue to pressure me to give men a try or that I just haven't found the right one yet. It feels like people genuinely believe there's no such thing as a lesbian, and the only lesbians are women who are too butch to be considered attractive to men. It's irritating to think about how I've had gay male friends "come out" and nobody prompts them to rethink their sexuality and break down their lack of attraction to women, but when I come out, it's unthinkable. My lack of attraction to men is just as valid as a straight male's, but somehow people fail to grasp this.

Your sister sounds genuinely awful, anon, I'm sorry that you have had to deal with this. I also wish that it was easier to find lesbian spaces that don't necessarily include every other letter of the gay community. I just want lesbian friends that aren't lesbians because they're mad at their boyfriends or just straight men who like yuri porn. But I hope that everything goes well with the girl you like, things might turn out better than expected!!

No. 210740

idk what category I fall into. I consider myself a lesbian, but I had het sex 5 years ago when I was on this acne medication that was fucking with my endocrine system and making me lose it mentally. I can’t really relate to bisexual women because I find men, even celeb or fictional men, to be unattractive. And I have zero desire to date them. when I think back to that year it’s like I was in a fugue state or something. can anyone relate?

No. 210758

Apart from lesblr and this thread, are there any places still left where you can find actual lesbians to talk to?
Lesblr is so interwoven with radblr and imo the focus is men and feminism. Not saying it's not important to be able to vent about men and trannies and the ways homophobia and misogyny affect us, but I really want to find a space where I could meet other lesbians and just have casual conversations, focus on stuff that isn't activism and injustice… There are some LGBT meet ups starting up in my city again now and while that seems like the obvious choice for meeting new friends, from experience I know that the "lesbians" there are either a) MtF or b) bi girls who lust after said MtFs while fetishizing femme lesbians. Every butch I know is some flavour of Not A Woman and I genuinely don't know how to navigate these spaces as a lesbian. I just feel so lonely.

No. 210762

Just go to the meet ups. There's always 1 or 2 normal people who feel the same as you.

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