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A place to discuss and vent about pickme or fake self-serving feminist behaviour you have witnessed or experienced, online or IRL, to post cringe screenshots or memes, theories and tinfoils etc.
This is separate from the tradthot general as it’s not just for discussing particular women with particular belief systems, as there are many kinds of pickme out there. However, trad-thottery can still be discussed as it is classified as pickme behaviour.
Pick Me General #1 >>>/2X/627
Handmaiden Thread >>>/ot/398608
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This was in /g/. I wasn't sure if this should go in pp or here since it's a little of both. Op had stated that she experiences no pleasure during sex and has no libido and is trying to teach herself to swallow even though she's disgusted by it.
Sure if they both have different libidos it's a problem but why is it that whenever someone says "you have to give and take" that exclusively means the woman has to put up with a level of discomfort to please her man? What's HE giving up for this relationship to work?
God I feel bad for her but I can't imagine buying this bullshit. Men don't need
sex more than women, they're raised to expect it and it has fewer consequences for them than it does us. Testosterone might make them feel horny more often but that doesn't mean they need
sex. They also very obviously don't use sex to form emotional bonds with women, horny men's brains react to female bodies like we're tools to be used, not people, and men are the ones who obsess over hatefucking and using sex to punish women. The reason sex is so important for men in relationships isn't because they're bonding with you, it's because they feel entitled to your body on demand and if they don't get it, they aren't gonna waste time and effort maintaining a relationship. >Obviously don't force yourself to have sex if you don't want to, but
to force themselves to have sex they don't want. I hate handmaidens who act like a relationship with a man (who statistically only detracts from your life) who doesn't even care if you want to fuck him as long as you'll let it happen is worth it. Any man who fucks you when he knows you don't want him to does not care about you. Why call a relationship where you let a man, who does not care about you, fuck you in a way you do not want nor enjoy, a successful relationship? If failed relationships are the ones where women try enforcing their boundaries, I can't imagine why any women would expect other women to accept that. You're supposed to be his girlfriend, not his fucking fleshlight.
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>>4632>spending your time hating others instead of focusing on your wellbeing is path for misery
I don't think I've ever heard anyone actually encourage selfishness wow
Also did not realize how bad that grammar (and sp? what does not having a space between words count as) was until I typed it out
I really try to help some of the women/girls in that thread but a lot of them are in deep
. Also funny about her saying most guys have a high libido because more women than ever are actually complaining about the reverse. A ton of guys have ED at 20-something years old these days and would prefer to jack off to she-males or "bimbofied" barely human-looking porn actresses over having sex with their flesh and blood partner.
You don’t have to. That’s not my point. My point is the adult women who lash out and hurt other people and blame their mothers and arm chair diagnosis them instead of being able to objectively look at the situation are locked in a trauma response. I personally find it grating when most of the time my personal abuse was more severe and yet they think there’s warrants they’re behavior while hypocritically pointing the finger at their mother. The climate and acceptance about doing toxic
shit and blaming your mommy for not loving you enough is a red flag for me and those women always end up just as abusive
as their mothers.
nyart, you seem really upset over your personal situation rather then considering what the other nona was trying to communicate. my mother was also a shit person to me growing up, and while i never would remove her from the actions she chose to take, i can also acknowledge that a lot of her issues came from my dad who didn't participate in household affairs often and caused issues for my mother. pain is always a two sided communication of receiving/giving and women aren't outwardly antagonistic without reason, especially mothers.
she still hurt you, and maybe it was just because of her own actions, but the other nona was trying to communicate that in MOST situations where the mother is being blamed it is because of both parents and the father gets overlooked. please stop trying to defend your own shitty situation against a prompt that seems to not apply to you
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are you talking about toby turner? yeah she dated him. I've been semi following her for a few years, a lot of secondhand cringe and lack of self awareness. for example she likes to be hypercritical of other women's bodies yet her body is pretty unimpressive, she thinks having massive fake tits and hair bleached to a crisp is the epitome of female beauty.>>4778
she is def not getting any actual use out of it, she's just doing the video to show how she's le cool gf who is okay with objectifying women to the point of having a headless woman doll in your closet that you can fuck
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I feel like women these days have just accepted misogyny and gave up caring about their dignity. Like in a hobby community or music scene with a lot of misogyny they'll just go along with it and think it's funny. I don't think women in previous generations did this. For context this lady is at a concert and wearing a shirt of a popular meme in this fanbase.
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Seeing the first few uploads on her youtube channel tells you enough
Jesus Christ, this is pathetic.
and people make it out like a single woman with cats is losing somehow? this is painful to see
I'm a female cuck uwu>35k views 1 month ago
Threesome advice uwu>16k views 1 month ago
Latest vid>7.8k views
Nobody cares about her pathetic sex life but still she keeps going because scrote attention. At some point, shes going to get dumped/hurt, be alone, then blame feminists for not coddling her retarded choices
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Yep, especially among young women in liberal areas. I find it sad and dystopian. So many girls wearing hentai ahegao shirts, Pornhub shirts and Playboy bunny necklaces "ironically" or "because it's cute/funny." Really shows they've never thought critically about these things a day in their lives but go along with it because it's trendy and men and the media shill it to them as empowering. They can't fathom a time when their entire sex had little to no rights and these things were blatant signs of their oppression. Now things no self-respecting woman would have worn in the last generation are being paraded around proudly.
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>check a YouTuber's bio
>"ok, whatever, I can look past it.."
>click on a random video of hers
>she's wearing picrel
The funniest part is that men themselves make those arguments all the time, like>reeeee women only want the top 20% of men>men are only valued for what they can provide, not who they are!!
then throw a fit when if they hear a woman say the same thing lmao.
Sorry moids, if you think we have to be broodmare bangmaids you should also accept that only hot young guys are worth reproducing with. The rest of you can be canon fodder and do manual labour while we make sandwiches for Chad!
I don't know how to feel anymore, because pick-mes and handmaidens annoy the shit out of me. I hate the way they keep holding the door wide open for men to step on all of us, then browbeat us with claims that we can just "teach [the men] better". No, men know it's bad to rape and generally be evil. They just don't care. There's something fundamentally different about them. You can live with one nice Nigel, whatever, but women and men coexisting on a mass scale will always lead to fucked up shit happening. Violence is okay to them.
But on the other hand, can pick-mes even help it? They're socialized to cope hard, make excuses for men and try to act as impromptu mothers/caretakers. They're not deliberately trying to sabotage things, they genuinely think men just "don't know better". Straight women will also always want to have sex and relationships with men. It honestly feels like there's a cap on how far feminism can go before it gets overriden and/or rolled back. And the rights we have are always, always conditional, because men are still in power. Is there even a point in fighting anymore? It seems like the only real solution is for small pockets of lesbians and bisexual women to go full separatist
Ironically what peaked me the most was interacting with men. Hate to give my ex any credit but he was such an abusive
piece of shit I finally realized all the terrible things other women tried to warn me about were true, and yes, men really
are that evil. Having been able to listen in to their conversations, even the seemingly nice ones are deranged and manipulative in one way or another. At least they tell on themselves. Just sucks when you're young and dumb you have to learn things firsthand rather than listening to those with more experience. Just glad I got out alive.
I know it gets really tiring, but even knowing the depths of men's depravity I don't think the world is such a bleak place. If former pickmes exist (as I am myself) you have to remember there's hope other women can break free from the conditioning in turn. As a straight woman you could not give me all the money in the world to regularly interact with men anymore. A few guys are fun to look at but that's literally all they add to my life, not a great loss to remove them entirely. I already try to practice soft separatism by visiting female service providers, doctors, businesses and only having female friends these days. I feel like in general we are still progressing. Look at how many rights we have these days compared to just a few decades ago. Even considering extremely misogynistic countries like in the Middle East, a lot of women have internet access now and get exposed to feminist ideas so they can eventually emigrate to better places or work to improve/educate their own countries where possible. The thing is it's never been about educating men, it's about educating women. So many women still never have the opportunity to go to school, explore career options and their own interests before they're immediately shunted into being an old scrote's bangmaid. But the more we disrupt that, the more women are given access to education and the means to care for themselves, the more they help other women and raise us all up to be more self sufficient, even as men desperately try to drag us back down. Yes it would be ideal if we could have a society that was purely by and for women, but I don't think we should be so quick to think we can't develop those "pockets" in our existing structures either. Maybe that's not very radfem of me, but the reason I focus on that is because I think it's a more viable option that I will at least continue to see expand in my lifetime as opposed to an entirely new societal structure.
same. and one of the things that really stood out from that experience, for me - as a former NLOG, was that all the women in my life were supportive af during and after the abuse, even if i wasn't close or in touch with them much. really made me see how superficial my male friendships were and how the dynamic was usually built and reliant on my pick-me ways.
wish there was a less damaging way to have come to that realisation sooner though. unfortunately i just grew up feeling so alienated from girls (bullied, left out, not many shared interests with the girls I knew) so the pick-me/nlog thing was just a massive cope, as i suspect is common.
We actually have the power to make lasting change, but I don't think many feminists would be eager to do what needs to be done. (I know I'm not). Our power, unfortunately, lies in that which we despise - motherhood. As the arbiters of reproduction, we could select for smaller, weaker, more agreeable men, and/or birth girls to tip the ratio in our favor. It would take considerable time, but we could slowly shape the world to our advange, and not theirs. I know that sounds insane to suggest, but things like separatism or legal changes are only temporary and all progress can easily be reversed in less than a generation. I'm not saying we all should give up our dreams and get knocked up tomorrow, but maybe we could start with simply supporting mothers, I've heard a lot of them feel very unwelcome in radfem circles.
I'll sage this because is not really very in tune with the thread's theme but I want to add my 2 cents.
I've never been a pick-me, I would consider myself just a run of the mill woman, but I live in Mexico. An average of 10 women are killed every day here, so naturally I began sliding to the feminist side. But here is very hard to make others care about feminism or even take it seriously in any way, so I turned to "first world country" feminism if you will. Obviously "Liberal Feminism" quickly repulsed me and after finding about the tranny debacle I turned to "Radical Feminism". It was very interesting and even fun at first but slowly it started to show its ugly head. While liberal feminism could be considered NLOG-TYPE2 feminism (which has misogynistic/sexist views/ideas towards other women. ex. Religious, "conservative", etc.), Radical Feminism is pretty much NLOG-TYPE1 feminism because it frowns down upon housewives, mothers, straight women, women in romantic relationships with men, etc.). All of that creates division within ourselves, division among women and solely for maintaining some sort of social purist ideology.
Now with that said, "separatism" won't work because it is male centric, is literally ya'll running away from the evil ape male, which I completely understand. On the other hand being "pro-women" will because it focuses on what women want, need and deserve. We need to stop alienating other women because of their life choices, a male won't care about any of that when he is set on killing a woman. If we as a collective can move past mindless nitpicking (when we are trying to uplift, help, establish and maintaining our rights) things will improve drastically and faster. It doesn't mean we should be friends or accept other women we don't like in our personal life, I'm a trash talker and gossiper and will always be, but went it comes to other women, fellow women, who suffer like us, are hurt like us by the hands of males (because we all do) I'm more than willing to put aside ANY difference we may have.
>TL/DR: Together we stand, divided we fall. much love.
I completely agree. Unpopular opinion, but I think intersectionalism, in current practice, causes more problems than it solves. From what I've seen, we end up arguing over who needs attention the most and nothing really gets done. I think it would be much more effective to have a two pronged approach: a broad feminism which addresses only things that affect us all (domestic/sexual/societal violence, reproductive/maternity rights, equal opportunity, etc.) and many smaller groups that hyper focus on different types of women and their unique struggles, lead by experts in their respective fields. We wouldn't need to become "jack of all trades and master of none", but instead could freely flow from the various smaller focused groups, depending on their need or our personal interest, while still uniting under the larger group. The smaller groups would naturally be separated from each other, so there would be less opportunity for needless infighting to begin in the first place, and the members could instead direct all of their energy towards their respective causes.
She also has a shitton of videos basically saying if you don't want an open relationship you're insecure and letting your emotions control you. She has another video about when Belle Delphine posted graphic pictures of her rape porn on Twitter and basically said people were stupid for getting offended because muh free speech. Yet she'll get bent out of shape if you say you don't think onlyfans is a legit career.
I could go on, but yeah she is pretty terrible
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I believe the energy created by pickmes could be harnessed by a politician and used to advance their purposes. Similar to how Steve Bannon targeted incels and their energy for Trump's campaign.
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now that's a tinfoil I'm willing to die on.
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I don't mean this as any sort of personal attack, but statements like yours are the reason why I can't ever take non-socialist western feminist seriously, what you just posted wasn't insane it was stupid, its a stupid dumb improbable fantasy and for god knows what reason western radfems focus way too much time on, I mean seriously you need to get out of these dumb fantasies and university spaces and actually think about the issues effect majority of women and the realistic things you can do to aid the, instead of making up shit >>4888
you explained my thought process better then I could, so many western radfems focus on either abstract theories of offer completely improbable solutions, "um you should try separatism" "women in the middle east should strive for financial independence from men" none of that can work, they apply their very specific and warped cultural framework towards on entire nations and civilizations
I've been wondering about Johnny pickmes lately, there are way more women on his side than there are actual stans who are just mindlessly supporting him because they're fans. It's obvious that people desperately want to think that women can be equally abusive
as men and men are valid victims
etc, and they are absolutely frothing at the idea of seeing it proved in court. For men it's obviously because it benefits them but I think women want to believe it because then they can attribute abuse to 'bad people' in general. Like if it's a small minority of a few bad apples and gender is irrelevant, they don't have to face the horrifying and depressing fact that men just hate women and enjoy inflicting violence on us. It's a hard pill to swallow for male identified women who can't let go of their romantic fantasies.
I agree that 99.99999% of focus should be on realistic issues that affect women in the here and now. However, I don't think it is unreasonable to have both long and short term goals. I think having something to look forward to, a future to hope for (that can't be torn to shreds by a cabal of angry apes in seconds) is not stupid. I was responding very specifically to this statement> It honestly feels like there's a cap on how far feminism can go before it gets overriden and/or rolled back. And the rights we have are always, always conditional, because men are still in power. Is there even a point in fighting anymore?
All I was trying to say in response to that anon is that I don't think we are destined to this path. I think it can be different, and maybe that's enough to give someone the strength to keep fighting for another day.
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This is the #1 thing I can't stand about pickmes. They're never okay just debasing themselves, they always have to try and bring all other women down with them.
She also has this terrible article https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sex-and-dating/leonardo-dicaprio-age-gap-jokes
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A screenshot of the article to get an idea
lmao at least she admits it's leverage, instead of the 'uwu age is just a number we really love each other!!' shit that most pickmes say about their geriatric scrotes.
She's a short sighted idiot and is doomed for a miserable future since she places so much value on male perception of women's ages. Live by their praise, die by their insults. Meanwhile most women marry men within a few years of their age, at the average age of 30 years old.
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>>4923>It honestly feels like there's a cap on how far feminism can go before it gets overriden and/or rolled back. And the rights we have are always, always conditional, because men are still in power. Is there even a point in fighting anymore?
I see this interpretation a lot among western feminists, when they see the decline of women right's in the middle east, this ignores the actual context and complexities of those states at that time, even basic women's rights in what is now the muslim world came as a result of secular nationalist leaders, they weren't mass social movements, they were aspect of secularization done by dictators,so I have often see Iran be used as an example by western feminists of "it could happen here" and to me that only reveals them to be incredibly misinformed people who don't do research
I'm reposting this from another thread
I really don't wanna seem like I'm defending Islam, I really don't but there's narrative among western libfems and radfems that needs to die, regarding the iranian islamic revolution, there's this idea that the revolution happened cause men were worried about losing power and cause they were scared of westernization, so they deposed the progressive government and installed religious dictatorship that oppressed women, that's the general Idea and its given feminist in the west fears and anxieties about a "it could happen here" type scenario in the west and margaret atwood famously wrote a handmaids tale based on this premise and here's the thing, this narrative is false and has been manipulated by western feminists to create an insufferable element of self victimization
thing people need to understand is that Iran under the Shah was an oppressive dictatorship, the vast majority of men and women were farmers and workers living as peasants, anyone who spoke out against the Shah was found by a secret police, jailed without trial, tortured and either executed or forced to rot in those jails, people were literally starving, yes there was a westernized progressive lifestyle for a small urban elite of 15% of the nation, but the vast majority of Iranian women were illiterate peasant farmers, people revolted against the Shah not cause they were angry that women were wearing skirts but cause they couldn't feed their children, the Shah's regime also had arrested every liberal, communist, nationalistic and leftist political leader, so all those were left were the clerics who ended up leading this peasant movement and creating the state of Iran as it is today
again I'm not defending Islam or the religious radicals here, but I hate the way feminists in the west have hijacked this tragedy and use it as a tool to feel more oppressed "Iran was a progressive country, we could lose our rights just like they did, If we aren't careful" and that's a fantasy, the historical material conditions that happened in Iran do not exist in the west, Its a delusional fantasy>>4925
I'm sorry but those weren't realistic solutions, those were retarded fantasies that will never help anyone, "oh lets breed out taller and violent men and kill the big aggressive ones" "lets start a war against men and we'll kill them kitchen knives and force them to be subservient to us" by god you come across as an Idiot and the only reason you get to delude yourself in these dumb fantasies is cause you have no basis of what actual misogyny can be look like
also I have a question, can you name me one of your enlightened western radfem academics who has ever helped women in the global south in any conceivable way, again I'm sorry but the theories of a bunch of university going Idiots who never once helped woman are not wroth being discussed, In fact they fill me with rage cause they spent time effort on this petty bullshit rather then helping women, so for me most western radfems are pick-me's
>>4908>"you need to get out of these dumb fantasies and university spaces">thinks socialism will work
can you guys take this to another thread already? I just want to point and laugh at the dumb pickmes
Anyways I'm not a radfem, and socialism has done nothing good for women
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>>4943>socialism has done nothing good for women
NTA but you're so wrong kek, one of the most blatant examples is how it got rid of human trafficking in most cases, and women didn't have to become prostitutes for survival anymore. When the Soviet Bloc fell, guess what happened to Eastern European women. Not saying it was perfect by any means but socialism definitely improves women's lives to some extent.
She is absolutely right, to be a radfem that actually works towards liberating women you need to be left-wing of some sort, and a solid economic analysis. Just saying "males are inherently evil so we gotta revolt against them" isn't enough, the problem is more complex than that. (However I do agree that men are inherently violent/degenerate/act entitled, etc.)
I understand what she's on about, she seems to have created this narrative in her mind of majority of women who were suffragettes getting rights through acts of terrorism and violence(those were isolated incidents of which almost all were acts of vandalism of mail bombs that were not intended to actually hurt anyone) and men cow towed and reluctantly gave women's rights and have been plotting ever sense to drag women back somehow, that's the usual western radfem narrative
none of them ever bothered to read that suffrage wasn't exclusively a female thing, in many cases women got the right to vote a couple decades after men and it was a gradual movement, non western european women got rights mostly thanks to force of secular and nationalist nationalist leaders
see democracy just can't work for the Muslim world, in my nation every politician has to out Islam the other and be the better Muslim to ever get elected, the Muallahs here can destroy you, a mullah has to just give one sermon talking about you and be assured a mob will come and destroy your entire house and stone you to death
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Well I know someone irl whose grandmother fled the USSR to come to north America. If it was such a utopia I wonder why she left. >>4984>she seems to have created this narrative in her mind of majority of women who were suffragettes getting rights through acts of terrorism and violence
No I didn't. I never said anything about acts of violence. Also do you think that socialist revolutions typically happened without violence?
K, I'll admit I'm hardly knowledgeable about the politics of Islamic countries, and yes I'm sure socialism would be better. But it really sounds like Islam is the root of the problem here, not lack of socialism.
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This is somebody's mother
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her and dean and broke up btw
I think truth is a more reliable weapon than doing mental gymnastics with scrote ideologies. >women are hypergamous
Not real, based only on studies that measure "preference", which is not observable when it comes to actually choosing partners: either due to the fact that people tell culturally appropriate preferences when asked or due to the fact that women accept men as they are and accommodate their standards according to reality. >there are fewer female geniuses
Whooh, this is a really big topic, which I would like to redpill women about one day (I don't know where though), but I will try to be short. First of all genius is a social construct - people are geniuses because others tell so and women are culturally prohibited to become geniuses: there was a study that examined students reviews of their professors, which showed that they were less likely to describe women and black people as "geniuses" and "brilliant", also female researchers are cited less. If you are referring to the so called male variability hypothesis I can assure you that it's nothing but an inflated bubble: there is no conclusive proof that finds that such a thing actually exists (biased scientists who believe in this hypothesis are literally like 4choids infographists - bombard you with cherry picked and misinterpreted research, sometimes even with outdated ancient shit), the large margin of research doesn't find any differences (provided that male mouthbreathers are not taken into account - they are the ones that produce the "difference" in the first place) and the only established differences in ""variability"" are in the traits that are nurtured not "nature-d" (morphological ones like body size or parts of brain structure that are not inherited in next generation), ie they are not inherited and most likely are the product of some other mechanism (male greater dependence on nurture) which is not just dice that makes men magically more variable as powers that be want us to believe - this also explains why women are more likely to be polymaths, men are just memed to be limited on one thing and due to greater engagement achieve more in it. >women are less competitive and driven
This is just a male-brained take, it makes sense only from male perspective. Women are less hierarchical and more cooperative, which means that in female group structure competition is going to be situational instead of constant like it is in the male one - only when it's necessary to be so. Which doesn't mean that women are less competitive in terms of skill at all. And if anything in terms of absolutes women seem to be more "driven" since we are more prone to addictive patterns of behaviour, which is the negative side effect of having a stronger will - dopamine, the motivational hormone, fuels both of these things (think of it as continuing to do some action even when circumstances no longer allow for it). Men are just more autistic.
PS: JSYK I am not on crusade against you or anything. It's just your post has activated my pet peeve against psychological aikido.
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Pickme with mainly redpill/MGTOW followers posts dating ad for her sister on Twitter, presumably without consent. Gets the predictable replies like “the wall” and “empty egg cartons”. I’d never speak to my family member again if they did this to me.
All of this 100%. God, the genius thing in particular – I work in a creative field that has been historically male dominated, and my god, now that women are here and have a little more stability, the things they're creating are jaw dropping. The kind of experimentation with form, storytelling, visuals – just masterpieces every single year. Not everything is amazing, but sometimes I really do feel like I'm living the dream so many early feminists worked to make possible. The fact that we're accomplishing all of this SO FAST, like we were just chomping at the bit all along and the moment we get a chance, we burst to life…we have no fucking clue what genius really is. And it throws all these other assumptions into doubt. We don't yet know what women are capable of, but we're getting there, and it's incredible.
so… she got all of these tattoos, and then cheated on him? the tattoos are cringe enough already, but then to cheat when you know it would end your relationship and the tattoos are permanent. I don't even feel bad for her, she's just dumb. I feel bad for the kid though.>>5061
I wonder what her sister will do when she sees this
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Exactly, if the sister wanted to date someone I'm sure she could find someone in real life. Not surprised she already blocked her pick me sister before. Also it's terrible to post her kids with this kind of audience too.
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Women have been brainwashed that it’s cool and progressive to go to strip clubs with their boyfriends.
Straight women that do this shit are the stupidest pick-mes. I wouldn’t want to pay someone else to dangle her tits in front of me. I also wouldn’t want to let my boyfriend toss more cash than he’s willing to spend on me at some woman for performing sexual acts for him.
Spoilered for long stupid AITA story
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Repeating the same shit troons say online loool. She is a they/them btw.
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It's yet another case of massive double standards too. Can you imagine the astronomical shit fit a scrote would throw if his gf wanted him to come and have a buff man wave his barely clothed dick in front of his face? How it would be gay, cucked, insane, insulting? It's so depressing that women are not only supposed to be okay with a man doing it alone but also dragging them along to legitimize the emotional and near-physical cheating. Goes to show how commonplace it is to objectify women that it's just seen as another normal extension of that. Story is pathetic. The guy is literally making arts and crafts for a random stripper but if his partner gets mad she's just being "anti-sexwork"! No shit. >hesitant because he thought I'd be upset
Men are entirely aware their behavior is gross and disloyal, they just proceed to gaslight their partners into thinking they're the crazy ones for not allowing it. I bet he's never made a single thing for his girlfriend in the entire time they've been together.
Ok but why does >>5295
look like she's trying to cosplay as shoe0nhead and why does >>5296
look like he just is
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Maybe it's because a lot of women have been hurt by men and reading shit like "boys are actually wholesome you're just mean uwu" pisses them off?
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i wonder if any scarethots were peaked by this candid discussion on how men brown-nose in the workplace.
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Idk if I'm one of the anons you're referring to but some of the anons here seem like they have an irrational hatred of gay men, like saying they don't deserve rights and making fun of gay men in the middle east for getting thrown off of buildings, being like "it's hilarious how they can't stop having buttsex to save their lives". I mean that one was probably a troll but it's far from the only one who has expressed really hateful views towards gay dudes.
don't get me wrong, a lot of (maybe most) gay guys are terrible and I'm really fucking tired of people (even some on lolcow) whining about how straight women "fetishize" gay men but some of the hatred is too much even for me.
I feel like women who defend them have likely not spent much time around gays and have an image of them being this pure, equally victimized subset of men. They are some of the first to leap on the stinky fish vagina jokes and thoughtlessly grab women's boobs which is fine because they're not "into that." I have one gay friend, all the others I've encountered are just as toxic
as straights but pretend they can't possibly be misogynistic because they aren't incels who want to hate-fuck us. No, instead we're disposable objects of ridicule and jealousy. It's always women leaping to the defense of every other group aside from their own. At best men turn into mutes when women are getting insulted, at worst they join in.
I've always wondered about this. Do you think there are lesbians out there who feel resentment towards gay men from this.
It was mainly lesbians that nursed them during the aids crisis but nowadays (and from I heard somewhere they were also the main ones who cleaned up after pride parades; don't quote me on that though)
when lesbian spaces are being erased fairly quickly meanwhile gay spaces are thriving, and with them collectively (or a least mostly) staying silent while troons are attempting to make it socially acceptable to coerce lesbians into taking dick (yes, I know there gay troons who obviously don't do this but it certainly doesn't help that we hear no corrections from that group either)…
I don't know how lesbians still think that them and gays are on the same side of the rainbow coin. The only thing that unified the two groups was the fight for same-sex relationships/marriage and employment protections, and even then, I'm not seeing gays getting cancelled out of their jobs like lesbians are.
If this question comes off as rather homophobic forgive me. But as a het woman looking at this from the outside there's obviously a lot that's not being reciprocated here. From my perspective, lesbian nursed gays back to health only to be repaid in erasure.
I mean, how are lesbians not pissed?
Exactly, but for ~some~ reason people fromm all walks of life decided to go ultra-SJW mode against Amber Heard while most of these demographics stay silent or even support the abusive
male when he is being grilled otherwise. Really makes you think! And of course this is if you swallow the narrative that Amber Heard was the eevil abuse this entire time, which is contrary to reality.
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What the hell is this idiot even trying to say, is she implying that women who had abortions are evil and that the men would have been great dads?
They're always grieving babies who never even took a breath but completely lack empathy for their fully-formed partners who had to deal with the mental and physical stress of knowing her body and livelihood were at risk after getting pregnant. Not to mention all the turmoil they deal with considering whether to keep it or not, then their dumbass boyfriends make that worse. Men are so egocentric that they miss a nonexistent symbol of their legacy more than they care about their partners. And let's be clear, it is
just a symbol to them because you know they'd be minimally if at all involved in childcare if the woman did birth it.
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If anything we need more of this “dump him feminism”
Exactly, I always see dump him comments when the dude is pathetic>complex individual human beings deserving of live and dignity
Because the girlfriends don't deserve this same love and dignity by having to stick with losers?
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>force femininity on other women
Yeah no miss me with this shit.
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Oh she was trying to play victim
after this tweet lmao
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Boy mom moment
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from the celbricows thread, the equal and opposite version of this act, like It's fine and good to have a strong bond with your kids, but you also need to have boundaries. this is just really fucking weird
this is disgusting and sexual abuse holy fuck
whats with with certain moms and being very touchy? ngl I'm a bit triggered
and blog posting but my mom would kiss me a lot and smack my ass and it sent me into an autistic meltdown every time. I wanted to scratch my skin off
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Its called emotional incest, a lot of women who have had shitty experiences with men and people throughout their lives, project all their desires and emotional wants on to one of their children(usually their son but it can happen to daughters as well, such as your case) your mother doesn't think of you as a daughter, rather a on/off galpal that she has complete power over
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omg u guize, poor men… we should stop oppressing them tbh???
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Camille Paglia is an enigma really, she seems to say shit that pisses off everyone across sex and the political spectrum but she seems to genuinely believe in it and seems like a terrible person >In 1993, Paglia signed a manifesto supporting NAMBLA, a pederasty and pedophilia advocacy organization. In 1994, Paglia supported lowering the legal age of consent to 14. She noted in a 1995 interview with pro-pedophile activist Bill Andriette, "I fail to see what is wrong with erotic fondling with any age." In a 1997 Salon column, Paglia expressed the view that male pedophilia correlates with the heights of a civilization, stating "I have repeatedly protested the lynch-mob hysteria that dogs the issue of man-boy love. In Sexual Personae, I argued that male pedophilia is intricately intertwined with the cardinal moments of Western civilization." Paglia noted in several interviews, as well as Sexual Personae, that she supports the legalization of certain forms of child pornography.
also >Though she has not transitioned, Paglia identifies as transgender. She reports having gender dysphoria since childhood, and says that "never once in my life have I felt female". She says that she was "donning flamboyant male costumes from early childhood on".
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She worships Foucault and thinks the Athenians were the greatest civilization in history, she's a pick-me but her pickmeism is rather unique, she reminds me a lot of Mary Renault, a proto-fujoshi in a way, she was also obesseded with greek athenian history and man-boy love and was noted her misogyny, even men of her time in the 1950's thought her misogyny was too much >Women do not play a large role in Challans' historical fiction, and are relegated to the role of wives and mothers. They often behave in stereotypical ways, being simultaneously helpless and ruthless. Critics have remarked on the negative portrayal of women, particularly mothers, in her work. This is often attributed to the fraught relationship Challans had with her own mother. David Sweetman remarks in his biography of Challans that her novels generally portray mothers in a poor light and that, particularly in her later novels, this is extended to women in general. Daniel Mendelsohn said that both her "contemporary and the Greek novels feature unsettling depictions of bad marriages and, particularly, of nightmarishly passive-aggressive wives and mothers." Her generally negative depiction of women has also been noted by the critic Carolyn Gold Heilbrun.
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their moving goalposts, wokies will always find a way to lump POC
with the mythical "cishet white patriarchy" in America this seems happens too east asians, but in France this is also common with successful north african immigrant families like my own, depending on the narrative we can either be either poor down trodden minorities or equally racist colonizers as the French
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sorry for being a brainlet but is this person saying modern women are evil and feminism has run its course because some women in 1000s of years old stories are depicted as evil?
mary magdalene is a saint and was one of jesus' most faithful deciples did she mean mary bethany? the prostitute who jesus washed the feet of who then renounced her ways and became a desciple and who again later became a saint
do these people have any idea what the fuck they are talking about?
I know some women don't want to hear this because they personally enjoy sex with men, and would prefer not to believe it affects them mentally or physically. I think it still needs to be said, though. This specific phenomenon has been observed in multiple other animals, and there are a lot of articles on this that try to make semen affecting the brain sound nice ("Semen can actually cure women's depression!") or try to pretend it only affects women's fertility. It's sad. Also, regarding the second half: We all know about very pickmeish "boymoms", but have we ever asked ourselves if there's any hormonal/physiological reason why they're like that? https://www.feelguide.com/2015/07/24/researchers-discover-the-powerful-physiological-effects-of-semen-on-womens-bodies-brains-dna/
>In scientific terms, semen is what’s known as a “master regulator”. Scientists have discovered how seminal fluid (which makes up approx. 70% of semen’s composition) has enormous physiological impacts on the female body and brain, including, among other things: the ability to activate genes, trigger changes in the uterus, reduce levels of depression in women, make women sleepy after sex, strengthen the emotional bond with their partner, and more.
>The wide-ranging influence of semen on female physiology is “all about maximising the chances of the male reproducing,” says Sarah Robertson of the University of Adelaide in Australia. Further research conducted by a team led by Tracey Chapman of the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK, has also found that males produce more seminal proteins when in the presence of rivals.
>The discoveries were presented at the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution conference in Vienna last week. The component of the research which found that semen significantly reduces levels of depression in women gained much attention at the conference. “If that effect is real, depression in some people might be treatable with artificial-semen suppositories,” writes Michael Le Page of New Scientist. “Gordon Gallup of the State University of New York at Albany, who carried out the study, says a PhD student of his has replicated the finding in a survey of 1000 women, but the results were never published.”
>The proteins of seminal fluid can quickly enter the blood stream and reach the brain, having an almost instantaneous effect on hormone regulation, mood, gene activation, immune system regulation, ovulation, uterus receptivity to sperm and embryo, and even the activity and growth within the embryo itself. The take home message clearly being that semen’s effect on female physiology goes far beyond reproduction alone.
>In related research, scientists have also discovered the DNA of sons inside 63% of the brains of their mothers. Cells from a mother and fetus can cross the blood-brain barrier and enter the brain — and what’s more, fetal DNA can enter a mother’s brain and remain there for decades, according to autopsies of female brains. Lee Nelson of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle performed autopsies on 59 brains of deceased women — 33 of whom had Alzheimer’s. As New Scientist writes, “They amplified the DNA that they found, creating many more copies, and looked for the presence of a male Y chromosome. They found it in 63% of the brains. This male DNA showed up in many different brain regions and some of it had been there for a very long time: one brain that contained the male DNA was from a 94-year-old woman.”
>So how is this possible? As Edward Scott of the Department of Molecular Genetics and Microbiology at the University of Florida in Gainesville predicts, it is almost certainly due to the presence of fetal cells in the mother’s body which are likely allowing her immune system to recognize her child’s cells, thus explaining why they wouldn’t be attacked. This discovery could open the door to mother-son transplants of various types that could take advantage of this DNA “bridge” and be relatively easy-breezy compared to transplants that do not have a DNA bridge.
Here's one of the studies referenced in the article:https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0045592>In humans, naturally acquired microchimerism has been observed in many tissues and organs. Fetal microchimerism, however, has not been investigated in the human brain. Microchimerism of fetal as well as maternal origin has recently been reported in the mouse brain. In this study, we quantified male DNA in the human female brain as a marker for microchimerism of fetal origin (i.e. acquisition of male DNA by a woman while bearing a male fetus). Targeting the Y-chromosome-specific DYS14 gene, we performed real-time quantitative PCR in autopsied brain from women without clinical or pathologic evidence of neurologic disease (n = 26), or women who had Alzheimer’s disease (n = 33). We report that 63% of the females (37 of 59) tested harbored male microchimerism in the brain. Male microchimerism was present in multiple brain regions. Results also suggested lower prevalence (p = 0.03) and concentration (p = 0.06) of male microchimerism in the brains of women with Alzheimer’s disease than the brains of women without neurologic disease. In conclusion, male microchimerism is frequent and widely distributed in the human female brain.
Here's another:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5293315/>Male microchimerism, the presence of a small number of male cells, in women has been attributed to prior pregnancies. However, male microchimerism has also been reported in women with only daughters, in nulliparous women and prepubertal girls suggesting that other sources of male microchimerism must exist. The aim of the present study was to examine the presence of male microchimerism in a cohort of healthy nulliparous Danish girls aged 10–15 y using DNA extracted from cells from whole blood (buffy coats) and report the association with potential sources of male cells. A total of 154 girls were studied of which 21 (13.6%) tested positive for male microchimerism. There was a tendency that girls were more likely to test positive for male microchimerism if their mothers previously had received transfusion, had given birth to a son or had had a spontaneous abortion. Furthermore, the oldest girls were more likely to test positive for male microchimerism. However, less than half of microchimerism positivity was attributable to these factors. In conclusion, data suggest that male microchimerism in young girls may originate from an older brother either full born or from a discontinued pregnancy or from transfusion during pregnancy. We speculate that sexual intercourse may be important but other sources of male cells likely exist in young girls.
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There's a weirdo in the relationship advice thread who's very offended that some women want to remain single, I bet that's the same idiot that was clutching her pearls about childfree people last week.
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I don't get upset anymore I just laugh, really. It's still depressing though.
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Because she won’t be fuckable to redpilled pedos anymore.
Ironically her husband responds in a supportive yet rather twisted way; by reassuring her that he is attracted to her and then also agreeing to a suicide pact. A modern gothic romance.
for the 4w.pub link what does >If you choose to stay, you will develop a mysterious chronic illness, cancer, or autoimmune condition
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I know damn well if the results were opposite, she and her followers would be blaming it on something inherently wrong with women.
It’s a reference to stories about women were getting who the stress triggers
auto immune diseases that haven’t been diagnosed yet like lupus. There’s been a few in the news
Buffalo shooter in the states was also watching furry porn on his way to the super market for a fucked up fact.
Oh and studies to boys exposed to porn being more likely to do sexual violence. https://doi.org/10.1007/s11121-017-0810-4
>six times as likely to commit sexual violence.
Proof children are getting exposed to porn https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244019899462https://www.echildhood.org/statement>as high as 65% by 13 in boys
they've learned to get into it to attract women, they don't actually believe in anything except trying to get sex. they've gotten into shit like tarot and yoga, too.
"if he knows his rising sign, he's a hoe"
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This is so sick. Imagine being happy and prideful about getting hit.
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one pick me i have come across personally was this Sarah girl who went by @yourfavoritepickmee on tiktok and twitter that i cam across when i was 16. She called herself a "Based anti-feminist" and had a link to a charity for men's mental health in her bio. most of her tiktoks were of her trying way to hard to pander to 13 year old incels. She is a women her 20's and she would make fun of teenage girls for their appearance, make fun of rape, would call out anything criticizing men and generally tried to be as anti-female as possible. As far as i can tell from google(i'm never downloading tiktok again), she she hasn't been active for over a year on anything. I assume she realized how much of a retard she was being and left the internet. All that remains of her is duets and some images on google.
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praying for handmaidens to get better
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Poor kid not only growing up with a porn actress mom but also a porn actress mol that uses you as a prop to make mens dicks hard
Never said she should have her bodily autonomy removed, retard. This is the pickme thread, if you can't handle people saying negative things about women you should get out.
>rotten scrote children
Her kid is a girl.>>6405>Reproduction is not a privilege women earn by being ‘good.’
Never said it was, stop putting words in my mouth.
>If she is fertile she can have as many kids as she wants, because she is simply able to. Nature gave her that right.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. A lot of people, men and women, shouldn't be parents. It's not that deep. Go back to ovarit.
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Seeing this makes me think if libfems saw a woman getting beaten to a pulp or about to get kidnapped, would they hesitant on helping her just in case she's a mean radfem?
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>feels really scary
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I love this article. This pickme is really threatened by women enjoying a "coastal grandma" aesthetic on Tiktok. https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/04/dear-young-women-stop-trying-to-be-coastal-grandmothers-its-not-healthy/
Trad pickmes just parrot what misogynists say I hopes they’ll earn respect from men… by being a doormat.
Honestly women are too good at empathizing with others if it’s hard to distinguish tradthots and scrotes . You never see mtfs pass in text like these girls pass for basement neonazis.
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This is beyond pathetic. Are we going to get to the point where men will accuse us of 'lying' about DV and rape/battery because we "consented" to rough sex beforehand? How is that going to be disputed in a court of law if it becomes public discourse? Rape is already at an abysmal conviction rate because 'women can just lie about it when they've changed their mind'. Men are also getting away with literal murder en masse by claiming the 'rough sex' defence. It's just so blackpilling seeing women perpetuating our abuse and making it even harder for us to hold these fucked up men accountable. I really do feel like there is no hope for us at times.
You’d think tradthots would like the coastal grandma since its modest clothes mostly but unlike cottage core that tradthots fucking ruined, coastal grandma doesn’t have any focus on being trad. It’s like they’re triggered
over the use of the word grandma in it
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Marjorie rawlings, she was a young adult author author who had a "fascination" with young boys, almost all her protagonists were young boys, she claimed that her stories were written only for young boys and didn't care what adult male and female critics had to say about them and despite being an incredibly accomplished woman she relented that she couldn't have a boy of her own, apparently her fondness for young boys went back to when she was a child, the only times boys would even notice her was she would tell them adventure stories that she had made up
She'd likely be be a TIF if she was alive today, the borderline pedophilic obsession they have with male children and their idealized portrayal of how they behave checks out
Meh not a pick me or TIF just a wierdo
>the borderline pedophilic obsession they have with male children and their idealized portrayal of how they behave checks out
As opposed to what? the borderline pedofilic obsession that scrotes have of girls and obsession they have portraying them in media?
It is certainly a strange case if ALL her books are based around boys but not moidworthy/trannyish. As long as she's not tearing down other women I see no problem with an alternate female perspective on storytelling. From the look of the time period from that photo I'd take any and all storytelling lens and perspectives of women and girls you could get.
But she never wrote for kids, she specifically wrote just for boys
an adult woman does not need to be that obesseded with young boys that aren't her children and the fact she only began writing stories was to get boys to listen to her says a lot >Biographers have noted her longing for a male child through her writings, as far back as her first story in "The Reincarnation of Miss Hetty", and repeated throughout several works, letters, and characters, most notably in The Yearling. In fact, she stated that as a child she had a gift for telling stories, but that she demanded all her audiences be boys.
but it's the fact that this obsession stems from not getting attention from boys as a young girl. That's not a normal maternal related reaction. That's someone who still
wants the approval of boys.
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>>7800>Has scrotes obsessed with misogynist men as her "booty calls" >virtue signals about evil terfs
There has to be a term for this type of chick. The types that will associate with the most bottom of the barrel type men with regards to social justice but then wants to participate in the terf
witch hunt. Absolutely pathetic.
>>7788>an adult woman does not need to be that obesseded with young boys that aren't her children
Yikes. An adult woman can have a hobby obsessed with anything provided it's legal and safe. An adult woman doesn't have to be a broodmare for scrotes to write books about young boys.
She's a peculiar case indeed if she only wrote books about boys but fuck it, there are no concrete rules in writing and anyone is free to write about anyone and anything. Pedofilic men are far more an issue on the radar of human civilization than one incongruous adult female author.>>7788
Who cares? women aren't committing mass scale pedofilia like moids and/or encroaching on men's spaces to the same extent, fundamentally TIFs will never be as harmful because women aren't scrotes. TIFs will never be a tenth of the harm that TIMs are towards children, the opposite sex and young people.
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"gay trans men" are some of the biggest pickmes
People like this are honestly just fucking scary. this goes beyond standard pickme shit, this cuts straight to the degenerate moid chase. The fact that these people are even allowed to make speeches have a platform and slew their vitriolic shit makes me terrified for humanity.
There are actual human beings (women inclusive) that want misery and cruelty to thrive, that want children to be abused and are constantly complicit in it becoming a legal reality. I wish it was a fucking conspiracy.
What especially makes this stuff horrid is the current zeitgeist for women and how women are framed in all this. Because of MRAs (largely sad bitter old men rotting away), self entitled incels, and white supremacist fuck heads it feels like scrotes and scrote sympathizers are increasingly working to send human progress backwards for us all to suffer. They don't realize the damage they're doing because coom is more more important, there's no empathy because coom. I've seen this sentiment expressed here often and I honestly see no other conclusion; the tranny shit, the mass shootings terrorism it's all world shattering shit all over cooming. This is the pathetic extent of moids they will destroy civilisation itself if it means coom.
I've noticed this trend in the past six years or so roughly aligning to Trump shit but not necessarily. The more vitriolic, profiteering, cruelty and propaganda has come more recently and moids have reached breaking point seeing any happy female of any capacity simply shatters them. Examples are Joe Rogan becoming full retard, Jordan Petersons benzo coma insanity, Tates human trafficking shit, I could go on but you know there's countless moids trying to fuck the world up with their propaganda, especially for women but in the past 3 years it's ramped up to the extreme and no one is saying a fucking thing.
How often are the killings of women going to re-emerge in reports like the Idaho case with the older subhuman scrote and those college girls? When is the next terrorist attack on women going to occur? What even do we call terror attacks on women? Is every instance of harm ever terrorism due to the blatant propaganda and ideological bullshit spewed by moids? It boggles the mind how media could make light of this. How no one reports this as it is. How everyone collectively coddles men and gas lights women.
When are we going to call mass feminicide and male supremacy inspired terrorism like the Idaho stabbings what it fucking is?
Instead of sparing moids feelings parroting 'not all men' while trampling on the bodies of their female and even male victims
. (He killed the fucking bf of one of the girls too).
How long are we going to come up with elastic lies that it's only a select few psycho moids who do this when it's drilled into the minds of just about every male on the planet, it's always just a matter of time before they act it out.
Op of >>7800
the person's bio says she/her intersex. It could be a woman idk.
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technically not a pick me but whatever
The amount of female true crime youtubers I've seen refer to cases like Casey Anthony or Jodi Arias as "the most horrific case I've ever covered, this person is an actual monster" when their whole channel consists of talking about scrotes brutally raping, torturing and dismembering little girls and they treat those cases like it's a regular tuesday is sick. They should be more pinkpilled than anyone but somehow any woman committing a murder (even if it's revenge against an abusive
moid) is apparently worse than an actual rape + pedophilia + murder combo.
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Once I was at a party and someone dropped a cup of drink on the floor, most people started immediately getting paper towels etc but this one insufferable girl starts yelling “don’t worry I’ll clean it up!!! I’m not a feminist!!!”. I don’t think I’ve ever rolled my eyes so hard kek
abused women are not automatically feminist and often still can hate and deride other abuse victims
. Look at Johnny Depp supporters, many are abuse victims
but still shit on Amber.
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>>9490>it's funny because when men misgender me I just giggle and move on, but when women don't do what I want I feel rage and hatred towards them and seethe forever about it
Gotta hand it to her, her male LARP game is strong>>9492
Yeah KF women are sus and weird
Everytime im on LSA and there's a story about a young woman being killed from scrote violence, there's always a paragraph like,
>This is horrible and I hope whoever does this gets locked up forever, however we need to teach young women x, y and z. I would never do x, y and z."
It's like even in death a woman is getting lectured for what she COULD have done, when she should'nt be killed for simply going on a date, or being drunk & being taken advatange of. It never even comes off like caring or trying to help other women.
Then, I hate my culture because it upholds shitty whorish men, but will judge a woman harshly for sleeping with like 3 men they know of. The shit i've heard grown ass women say about their daughters, but their sons are already fathers/and/or have all kinds of girlfriends? It's a fucked up culture, and I hate it.
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I swear I'm not a /pol/tard but it unironically started with the frankfurt school(the Cultural Marxists the right got obsssed with a couple years ago) When the rightwingers talk about "cultural Marxism" their not wrong entirely, The Frankfurt School played an influential role in the development of western left wing thought and after the fall of the Soviet Union it became the dominant thought
Basically a bunch of fat ugly men realized the real revolution is violent and real communism is tough asf and useless intellectuals like themselves would have been sent to the gulags, so they created a school were they debate endlessly about "metaphysics" and "identity", they criticize capitalism and real communism while giving Idealized and implausible solutions, while also embracing and creating degeneracy, they were almost like modern breadtubers in over analyzing and chreerypicking random pieces of popular media to prove their retarded takes on society
No no, let her speak. Go on, >>9794
, how does that mobilise women against themselves? I can see how it distracts the moids into intellectual uselessness but how does it turn women into handmaidens specifically?
Antonio Gramsci is okay and Marxism is not the same as Socialism. This is typic retarded argument that should be moved to the "conservative women" thread. Marxism is almost exclusively humanistic and that's it's biggest issue, you even admit that its too utopian, idealistic world-view that society and the greater world can come together to solve issues that pose existential threat to everyone like climate change for example. Despite its lack of solid solutions to problems, I still think Marxists criticisms of capitalism tend to be spot on.
I agree with a lot of what you said despite it being put with the maturity of a fucking grade schooler lel. Many Marxists were only moids and privileged moids talking down about lower classes of people with less privilege then themselves while advocating on their behalf. It's a bourgeois ideology despite its criticism of the bourgeoisie.
>while also embracing and creating degeneracy
I don't understand this were Marxists advocates for trannies? I'm no sociology major but I'd think a lot of Marxist theory lay the bedrock of social democracy's and equity, there's also a lot of cross over in terms of ideology with Marxist feminism and civil rights. I've always been baffled for about the six, -seven year long anti Marxist crusade that had been championed by the very scientific mind of 'this ancient snake is a representation of DNA', 'people are like lobsters', benzo-coma academic, Jordan Peterson and his ilks hate boner for Marxist shit.
Marxism is definitely not the ideology to plant your flag and die by nor fight, it's wholly ineffectual because the world is just too cruel for any of the solutions that Marxists come up with for it to work. Moids would step in the way of it.
>they were almost like modern breadtubers in over analyzing and cherrypicking random pieces of popular media to prove their retarded takes on society
Lolno bread tube is trannies, superior leftist pro sex trafficking moids and handmaidens. Marxists are anyone who criticises capitalism and it's exploitative nature as well as similar ideology like neoliberalism and discusses the ideas of class stratification. Rad feminism has roots in Marxist theory too. 'Degenerate' is a moid tier argument as well. Being gay was considered degenerate historically but gay people have always existed. There are just as many tranny moids that are white supremacists as there are Marxist socialism, 'commulism' ones.
Marxism is also incredibly non-visible and niche to normies unlike conservatism and the like. Only the terminally online and wierdo autistics like Jordan Benzodiazepine Peterson even know(questionably) of Marxist ideology. Outside of actual academics who study it like Sociologists next to no normies would know shit about Marxism and have a false understanding drip fed by their conservative idols. Hell, I wouldn't have known if it weren't for doing a single course on political ideologies outside of my actual STEM major. And this is the case for most normies.
I was specifically talking about Marxism, I don't agree with everything Marx said but he could understand reality better the morons who claimed his name for their own brand or retardation
whether you like it or not the type of person to lead an actual successful revolution is a soldier first Saddam and Stalin for e.g were not Leftist activists, they were street thugs for their political parties
the Shining path(a Peruvian marxist group started by university students) ended up being completely taken over by mountain farmers who used the group as a drug trafficking operation
Khrushchev was a factory worker for his entire youth and didn't possess literacy till he was an adult
Ceaușescu(dictator of Romania) had no formal education and was an apprentice shoemaker
Enver Hoxha had nothing more then a peasants education
these men got their positions cause they were good at war and ruthless and they could got the peasants on their side with populist rhetoric, that's the furthest thing you can get from modern commies and intellectuals
And something they all have in common is that their leadership devolved towards totalitarianism, because it was ideologically empty and valued power as an ends instead of a means. That kind of power is not interested in serving any other principles and instead just continues to subjugate and exploit the working class. They led successful coups, not successful revolutions. Being uneducated is no more a virtue than being educated; letting education be the domain of the bourgeois at all is the problem, not to mention the idea that universities have a monopoly on education and discourse.
I still don't get how this turns women into handmaidens.
The conversation started from an anon posting a screencap about men having dirty dicks and then another said blowjobs are asked for only because they're degrading for women to do. There wasn't any mention of trauma or their personal experience in the first post. Anons responded with their own experiences of enjoying it and not feeling degraded, implying that they enjoy hearing their partners be pleasured and choose to do do it as they please, I find that reasonable, but replies to that became hostile with tradsperging. It's one thing to say dicks are gross or be critical of men expecting blowjobs, it's an entire other wheelhouse to go on about how women doing occasional suckjobs for fun ruins a woman's value, is akin to being a "human toilet paper roll" and is just as degrading as a wife being obligated to do a chokejob on a dirty dick every night. That's just misogyny in the mask of trad porn-critical politics, its not even radical feminism, its exactly like how trad moids seethe about women being tainted in mannosphere spaces, but with a sprinkle of extra moralizing. I would not object if the anti fellatio mob stuck to the stats and male behavior, but it always spirals into trads being desperate to insult women that are more "used up" than them. If they really cared about women not preforming that behavior they'd stick to the facts instead of implying women are stupid for enjoying pleasuring their partner and resorting to insults; but they don't. That's how you can tell if a poster is a tradfem vs a radfem. One is assblasted that women are not pristine madonnas like her and she wants to hurt them emotionally in revenge, the other wants women to see why a woman's choices can cause her harm, and wants to help her unlearn that willingly instead of berating her until she gives in, because she knows how converse with nuance. I wasn't involved in the vent fight though, this is just my outside observation of the conversation.
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>>9958>Didn't it all start because a nona stated she did not like PIV or giving blowjobs?
It did, after the 3rd reply is when things started to derail.>>9965
The screencap was posted in response to the argument that went on earlier before the current one.
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There was a strange pickme (or moid) on the wigOnhead thread. I lean towards pickme teenager but am a bit baffled by their behavior.
>"Thanks for assuming my gender" outdated moid meme from a decade ago>Outdated peak male humor "weaponized autism">Obsession with Reddit, keeps bringing up subreddits like the female dating strategy as if it's peak misandry and any woman from the subreddit should be ashamed of using it>Told numerous times is in the wrong place but is in denial >Acts knowingly about imageboards despite obsessively bringing up Reddit and many other female based internet forums far more times>only imageboard known to them is the epic hacker 4chan>Retarded one liner "no you" and other low effort male-reading responses>Reddit spacing and incredibly poor punctuation>"Im actually a cis woman"
I don't know whether this is a 35 year old man or a actually a pickme woman based on their posts.
But then they said this>I thought you guys had thicker skin than Reddit, TikTok, Twitter, KiwiFarms and Pretty Ugly Little Liar or even GossipGuru. Stay mad, bitches.
So on second thoughts maybe it's a underaged teenaged girl with internalized shit and outdated internet male brain rot.>>9967>Instead of shaming them as "cockbreathers", young women should have their attention brought to the orgasm gap and basing the idea of reciprocation on that instead of particular sex acts.
Why not both? It's incredibly degrading and dehumanizing to be reduced to a flesh light, no amount of coping that pleasing a moid will abscond you from this; if anything it makes things worse, it proves that dehumanizing yourself and indicating this behavior is tolerable for all women and girls and should be normalized. It's normalizing inhumanity. It will further feed a chain of behavior that intensifies sex acts like in the modern era how trafficking and rape is seen as normalized in porn. It's a sick positive feedback loop.
I don't make it my job to "shame" women for this but we all know it's degrading; men say, know and tell us it's degrading; it is degrading. No need to front and cope with the same tired dehumanizing argument that is the majority of the moid centered world that is "b-but some women enjoy being dehumanized and used like a fleshlight!" like >>9965
and centering a discussion about the dehumanizing of women on moids pleasure, then proceeding to spew the shitty misogynistic opinions of Moids and your idea of "facts" like anon is doing. "Shaming" is not the correct action, but I can't help but find some arguments centering males in a horribly fucked up female-affecting issue to be incredibly insidious like anons doing. If people center males than shaming may be the only way to snap them out of their pickme brainwashing.>>9965>women doing occasional suckjobs for fun>and is just as degrading as a wife being obligated to do a chokejob on a dirty dick every night.
You have internalized misogyngy anon to yourself and other women if you feel this language is appropriate for describing any womans behavior in a society where this kind of twisted behavior and language should be seen as acceptable. It's simply dehumanizing, and this isn't ""moralizing"". Listen to the language you've used to describe womens bodies, bleak.
>That's just misogyny in the mask of trad porn-critical politics, its not even radical feminism, its exactly like how trad moids seethe about women being tainted in mannosphere spaces, but with a sprinkle of extra moralizing
"Moralizing" is being aware that Moids dehumanize women at every opportunity and wanting to opt out of that degrading treatment, fuck off. Not everyone is hyperobsessed and aware of shitty moid spaces ideology. Those ideologies that should be tossed in the fucking toliet where they belong not upheld under the guise of being a pride/tradfag. Not everyone is centering a discussion about womans agency and perception by society on moids pleasure and moids trad ideology. Everyone knows trad moids are hypocritical and their opinions should be tossed, all moids opinions should be looked upon with skepticism. Women have their reasons for opting out of humiliating acts and no woman should feel pressured to do anything sexually, this isn't a radical statement and it isn't the same as a moid tradfag owning a women by way of fleshlight like what you're arguing women be tolerant of, and for women to stop thinking critically about.
>but it always spirals into trads being desperate to insult women that are more "used up" than them.
I would never defend retarded tradfags since the ideology is inhuman and I would like reproductive rights to persist in my country, but consider where the thought process of someone being "used up" even came from. If an action is seen as degrading in the first place and someone is used during it then the actor is going to be considered "used up". Cunnilingus is not degrading because women actually get something out of it, it is reciprocal, the same can be for PIV apparently in miniscule amounts lol. We decide as a moid screetching collective what behavior is degrading. Though the loudest voices will always be moids women's own opinions are not just moid trad bullshit. Oral sex and various sex acts are inhumane and dehumanizing to women we know this. We decide as a collective, not singular persons; society doesn't exist in a vacuum, and women are going to have differing opinions, some being male brained and cook brainwashed and others not.
The "fact" of the matter is that women receive nothing from oral sex with Moids, cope that your pleasure comes from dehumanizing yourself, and yes, that is shameful and retarded not because you aren't pure but because you lack thought process to see how degrading and shit your actions are. You can't complain about the trad line of thought of women being "used up" after degrading sex that is perceived as using them and then profess in the same breath about women doing "suckjobs" and "chokejobs", you absolute joke.
>If they really cared about women not preforming that behavior
To some degree behavior matters, it matters that women not cut their limbs off, this is not really a moral argument. It matters that women not degrade themselves and feel highly pressured by Moids and people like you, it matters that they use critical thinking skills to avoid this situation. It matters that women see this point of view that society absolutely wants them not to have autonomy and independence and that moids who control most of society only benefit from women degrading and humiliating themselves. It matters that they not frame and center a discussion of a blatantly dehumanizing action like oral sex on moids pleasure. It matters that this action not be normalized by moids so that moids and young boys know not to use women as objects and treat them as humans. It also matters that women have these discussions because the overwhelming majority is pro trafficking, pro dehumanizing of women, therefore it matters that we not treat women as human and not reframe an argument against degrading sex acts as "moralizing" and "moral panic".
>If they really cared about women not preforming that behavior they'd stick to the facts instead of implying women are stupid for enjoying pleasuring their partner and resorting to insults; but they don't. That's how you can tell if a poster is a tradfem vs a radfem
Firstly you don't know if anyone here is libfem, trad, radfems or anything in-between. You have no way of knowing you are not a mind reader. Trad shit may have some cross over in that one aspect but the ideology is incredibly different. Trads are retards who want to control women by ownership turning them into fleshlights and babymakers, libfems are retards who want to control women by pressuring them into doing and normalizing degrading sex acts turning them into fleshlights.
Secondly you grossly framing dehumanizing acts of women into being acceptable and framing any outcry from this as petty insults is incredibly lacking in critical thought and callous at worst.
Also>b-but Some women enjoy it!
Sounds like the same pro trafficking/prostitution libfem spew. Your apologetic post definitely fits in this thread that's for sure. I definitely have a bone to pick with anons using the term "degenerate" here (though it's mostly used correctly to describe troons and moids) but it still irks me that it's a nebulously defined word to describe few woman as. I often have a knee jerk reaction when women here describe other women as degenerate like camming and sex workers but understand why they are used. For example some here describe fujos as degenerate which I'd disagree with, regardless my point is there is no dichotomy like that you're painting women with wide strokes with. Women don't "pick" ultra traditional or ultra libfem, pro-trafficking lifestyles. There is no point to concepts like virginity but that doesn't mean we need to fuck endlessly like animals and delude ourselves into placing moid pleasure above all else, degrading ourselves in the process. It is commendable that some have control over their urges as virgins, likewise a highly sexually active woman can be highly controlled and have self respect for herself moreso than a virginal ""pure"" woman. It is possible that a highly sexually experienced woman not degrade herself and to actually be pleasured by sex and that a virgin can be absolutely crazed, and depraved in behavior. Creating artificial black and white mentalities doesn't help anyone and only seeks to benefit patriachical moids. Centering a discussion on males also doesn't help women like you are doing. Centering a discussion on morality in general whether it's immorality like you are spewing or morality instead of common sense and critical thought is also incredibly shit. It's not moralizing to want to be seen as human.
Is extreme porn with facefucking an example of "consensual blowjobs?". Of course consensual humiliation and rape isn't as bad as non consensual humiliation and rape lol. But both are degrading nonetheless. Please apply some critical thought. Is a woman doing a "suckjob" and a "choke job" doing so consensually? Consider the fucking term chokejob, in particular and seethe. Coercion is rape.
fucking embarrassment of an argument. Who would have such a low opinion of women to think this shit is normal. The only terminally online retard is this anon using this sick moid cooler language. Can someone be choked consensually?
>No wonder people dont you seriously.
An actual meaningful counter argument would've been nice rather than a strawman and poor grammar. Sex work is just paid rape and there is no such thing as truly consensual "chokejob" this is just libfem brainrot.
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firstable you don’t know the context maybe she was justified and also the violence this man shows this woman is nauseating and totally out of proportion. she slaps him lightly and he gives her a violent uppercut. that is not ‘self defense’ it’s just plain old assault. what a shock that a farty fatty patty is a complete handmaiden cock worshipper, fucking kek(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
mentally retarded strawman cant even understand a post. What's the difference between you and a tranny supporter. Subhuman iq.>>10020
The post was about consensual blowjobs, you compared that to human trafficking, porn and ''chokejobs'' , yet again another mentally retarded poster.
Blowjobs are degrading but the way you are trying to convey your message makes you sound very stupid and that you cant comprehend or read before you reply.
>>10258>you compared one dehumanizing act to paid dehumanizing acts human trafficking, porn and ''chokejobs''
Why not criticise this inhuman term? Why not compare it to human trafficking, in my opinion it's a matter of consent and coercion; and these are two aspects similar to the consensual "chokejob" that human trafficking victims
and porn actresses are expected to do. If something has the term "choke" in it can we really call that consent?
If an entire gender wishes to harm, degrade and humiliate while also pressuring this gender through collective gaslighting to do these sex acts and doing so through porn is that consent?
>The post was about consensual blowjobs
You'll have to forgive me for assuming the degrading dehumanizing and literally harmful, violent terms used were "consensual", you have actual brainrot.
>Blowjobs are degrading
Oh you agree.
>Yet again another mentally retarded poster.
Again, an actual counter argument would be nice though rather than retard, you actual pornrotted, brainrot retard.
What do you even mean by "chokejobs"? If it refers to women being choked or forced to perform oral sex, then yes of course it's rape/assault and cannot be consensual. But anons are saying that it's ridiculous to compare consensual blowjobs
to rape and human trafficking.>Oh you agree.
NTA but just because something is degrading doesn't mean that it can't be consensual. It's obviously highly subjective, some anons consider wearing yoga pants or having sex with a man degrading; it doesn't mean that all women have been coerced into it. Of course it's important to make sure that women aren't brainwashed into performing acts they don't like. But if a woman performs oral sex because she also gets it in return and/or she likes to pleasure her partner it's stupid to claim that she's in fact being coerced because you find it degrading.
Wearing yoga pants and any other skin tight is absolutely not degrading it's clothes in of by itself but context wise who invented skin tight clothes to begin with? And for what purpose are they often seen on one gender? I like leggings, tights, spandex shit and skin tight clothes but know it's purpose is degrading. But it's also comfortable as fuck. Having sex; that is piv sex is considered degrading by whoever considers it degrading, I too want to believe this lie but let's be honest it is degrading not by my opinion or your own. In of itself society has deemed both to be degrading, you are free to imagine it as not but it is objectively. piv sex can give women pleasure and is a matter of opinion but is still degrading, oral sex absolutely is not pleasurable and is degrading. No amount of mental gymnastics can be used to avoid this obvious point; men know it's degrading they scream to women that it is degrading, they humiliate women who argue that it isn't degrading and greatly encourage women to degrade themselves continuously because they know it weakens women as a collective, it reinforces their power as a class and weakens that of women. Don't try to elastically define it as something other than degrading when it very clearly is.
>it doesn't mean that all women have been coerced into it.
But women are coerced into sex constantly, all advertising media and the incel movement have made this more clear. Women have control over their sex drives and we have no media that represents our desires, lesbian women are even more ignored and disposed of if not conventionally appealing to moids. Because women have no de defining pleasure, source of attraction or collective desire they must cope to degrading moid desires and project them onto themselves. And an such there is hardly any heterosexual form of sex that could be considered non degrading for women. I do believe that oral sex can be sparingly consensual in a meager programmed way- so not really at all and enjoyable for women and men but it's objectively degrading like you argue beforehand. Using language like choking makes this fact even more bolstered and tenable. It makes one see the actual state of women in terms of sexual pleasure; there basically is none. No fair representation and that's reflected by the orgasm gap well.
>just because something is degrading doesn't mean that it can't be consensual
This seems oxymoronic to me, Piv sex can be consensual as there is pleasure to be had for the woman but not with oral sex of a moids scrote nor intensified dehumanizing shit like anal sex of women who very clearly lack prostates and with it receive nothing but degrading humiliation from it.
Nta but do you seriously think dressing like a cheap whore is comfortable but having sex with your boyfriend is degrading? Your being subjective, you like wearing thin skimpy clothing but you can't get a ok looking guy to date you so you think sex with the guys you pull, aka super ugly porn addicted men who only want to use you as a hole, is degrading, which it definitely is but that's not the case for every women.
Just because you can't have sex and enjoy it doesn't mean all women who have sex with their boyfriends or girlfriends are also being degraded.
I see no problem "dressing like a cheap whore" in your own home you may have missed>I like leggings, tights, spandex shit and skin tight clothes but know it's purpose is degrading.
I'm aware you will be branded a 'cheap whore' because of how moids sexualize womens bodies but context matters and women are free to dress how they like; dressing degradingly is not to the same degree as having your body used like a fleshlight. Maybe being butt naked would be the exception to this for moid approval but certainly not skin tight clothes. Please don't get too comfortable using moid colored language like "whore" that shits depressing to hear from other women especially on the supposedly radfem board.
>you like wearing thin skimpy clothing
Not really, but I won't slut shame women for dressing how they want in "skimpy clothing", women are programmed to obsess over their appearances to please moids primarily after all above all else. In saying that it's not empowering at all and is degrading. Relative comfort is fine in your own home and dressing "skimpy" is not to the same degree of degrading as oral sex with moids. I have said previously that piv sex can be pleasurable to some women but won't backpedal that it is degrading in most cases. Moids have made it as such. At the same time I recognize that women's clothing is often designed by moids, the conception of its sexualized aspects and is inherently degrading but relent that we must wear clothes for practicality, comfort and the realistic truth of is that in receiving a leg up in the world involves capitulating to patriarchal aspects like dressing attractively", not "whorish like you say but I concede that dressing in skin tight clothing sometimes to accentuate pleasant feminine figure and features is an inevitability more so than degrading sex is. This isn't something to be ashamed of in of by itself but is not comparable to humiliation of moids turned sex into through porn.
>but you can't get a ok looking guy to date you so you think sex with the guys you pull, aka super ugly porn addicted men who only want to use you as a hole, is degrading, which it definitely is but that's not the case for every women.
What? I'm not heterosexual, why would you randomly assume this shit about some random anon you know nothing about?, unhinged.
>Just because you can't have sex and enjoy it doesn't mean all women who have sex with their boyfriends or girlfriends are also being degraded.
It doesn't appear to just me though in your imagination; not that you'd know my personal sex life though apparently you do already, in your made up scenarios of myself. Google the orgasm gap shallow, immature and catty pickme.
>which it definitely is but that's not the case for every women.
lol this catty volatile attitude towards other women makes you belong here that's for sure. "my nigel is special because he doesn't degrade me in the exact same way that those ugly icky porn sick males degrade you!" This sentence makes you sound like a misogynistic child. Do you not realize that the same sex act is being used you retard in both cases of the ideal attractive nigel and ugly pornsick moid?. Why would you mention that the imaginary males in your mind that I seem to hook up with are ugly? Is that relevant to anything we are discussing? Why are you so overly fixated on their looks and not their harmful behavior and institutionalized, programmed hatred of womens bodies? Why do you use the same dehumanizing language that those ugly porn obsessed moids use like 'whore'? Why do you fail to realize that the same programming and male socialization that the attractive male has is common to the ugly pornsick one as well. Both still have their entitlement and drive towards female humiliation yet its somehow only the womans fault because they only get ugly moids. Baffling.
Why do you magically have me figured out, a person who is a series of words only, a person you've never met and likely will never meet down to my apparent active sex life from a single internet post? You sound like an actual unhinged pickme in denial. I didn't say all piv is bad I said its degrading and it very much is often because it isn't a mutual experience for both men and women as well as how pornified and porn has ruined piv sex. I don't need to go into why oral sex is degrading; you know it is and concede that, men know it is, it is. The catty arguments that you make don't bolster your argument at all and seek to undermine them.>>10808
Nta but I can only speak for myself, I was using oral sex to avoid degrading language like blowjobs as not to make the mistake of chokejob anon, it also sounds less childish and scrote pornrot brained. The oral sex of moids is degrading but cunnilingus is obviously not. Women degrading each other is a whole other discussion outside of this but the short is women cannot degrade each other in the same way because lesbian women simply wouldn't have entire porn industry mobilized to do as such like moids.
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i hate conservatives and want to a-log them all. for many many reasons.
>>10845> The oral sex of moids is degrading but cunnilingus is obviously not.
your post made me really think of the orgasm gap and how society enforces this disparity by turning men on 24/7 through all sorts of media consumption, while ignoring the sexuality of women who aren't turned on by seeing women degraded and reduced to sex objects to sell items in commercials or play love interests in a show, etc.. even if the women look "pleasing" to the eye.
men have successfully pitted women against each other to feel inferior is one is sexier and prettier. it can be hurtful that men in relationships are constantly window shopping at women who either work in entertainment or are just programmed to appeal to the male gaze at all times in order to be privy to better opportunities. I can't knock women for dressing that way or wearing perfect makeup and grooming, but I sure blame men for reducing us to sex objects.
I agree that women don't even get to know what they enjoy sexually because we don't have the media and society and porn representing what we even like or want at a women's undiluted and honest idea of sensually. often we just adopt what men tell us to like/pay us to like, and end up brainwashed by the media, porn, and men who watch porn, who sleep with us and cheat us out of sexual gratification that makes sex not even worth the effort, because it's so damn unenjoyable to "give to receive" if that's the only way we can orgasm. I dont want to be degraded or experience pain or discomfort or disgust just to feel good.
but I have to ask, why do you say that giving cunnilingus is not degrading or disgusting? what about for lesbians or people who experienced sexual assault by older girls during child hood, by men we didn't want to have do that to us?
I feel like men do say gross things about our genitals, the smell, etc. but as a bi woman idk if I'd go down because it's close to the urethra and anus, and sometimes smells like pee.. lesbian porn says I ought to like it but, I think slurpin' 69s are still informed by hetero male fantasies. I prefer manual stimulation of the clit/fingering, and I dont feel bad about the other person licking me out if they aren't turned on by it or have some sort of trauma. so many women do. I had a family member force themselves on me sexually twice in order to please me, so maybe that's why I dont see cunnilingus as "obviously not" degrading. it was to me being on the receiving end. and I just dont think I could lick a kitty without gagging because of anatomy. I appreciate your response
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I was supposed to post this ages ago but forgot about it until now. Anyway a brief summary:
>wife finds out her husband visits strip clubs, is not surprised since "he likes boobs and women">husband claims that all he does at the club is order one non-alcoholic drink, sit in the corner, never touches the strippers and instead just pays single dollars to talk to them because they're "fascinating", "easy to get along with" and have "unique social skills">wife believes this and finds it adorable and endearing that his husband is sooo different from all the other creepy drunks at the strip club>husband admits that he HAS actually paid for lap dances too, b-but only like once or twice though!>His justification: "Hey, it's how they make their money." (actual quote from the article)>wife feels uncomfortable with the idea of her husband getting lap dances, instead of setting boundaries she decides to take the cool girl route and goes to the strip club together with her husband to prove how much of a cool, fun, totally-not-boring-and-jealous wife she can be>first instance of her mentioning how she thinks strippers need to perform well enough to deserve their tips, complains that the first time she went to a strip club the strippers looked too bored and annoyed and she refused to give a five-dollar tip to anyone except one girl who "earned it">wife and husband go to the club, at first she feels good about being a "cool wife", then notices that the strippers aren't interacting with her husband because she's there accompanying him (apparently something strippers do to avoid conflict), starts to feel guilty for repelling the strippers and ruining her husband's night>second instance of her talking about her standards for strippers, complains about the girls who don't appear enthusiastic enough about their job>mentions how great her boobs are>third instance of whining about the strippers not working hard enough, thinks that going to strip clubs with her husband is not a good idea because of "disagreement over who deserves a tip", husband wants to give money to anyone offering a lap dance, wife won't tip anyone unless their performance meets her standards>ends the article by saying that the visit was boring for her husband because he didn't get enough stripper action but at least they saved money
these are the same women who shame women who are spinsters or UNmarried lol.
''Enjoy your cats'' yeah ill enjoy that and you can enjoy the numerous std's your husbands is brining in every night.
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the pickme id like to discuss is myself from 6 months ago
>4 year IRL relationship
>has folders of nudes from other women
>routinely flirts with and maintains romantic online contact with multiple women
>frequently has sexual conversations online with other women
>broke down in tears once and confessed to flirting with an teenage girl (ffs)
>jerks off to our friends pictures
>downloads ALL the data off my computer and wipes it so he can ‘go through it’
>infrequently struck me a few times with various tech objects
>continued flirtatious contact with his ex girlfriend the entire 4 years. i accept it eventually
>lose everyone’s respect
> group chat begged me to leave for a year. eventually they couldn’t cope with my handmaidenry, constant complaining about him even though i was choosing this horrible relationship.
>tried to hang himself and posted on twitter that it was my fault because i ‘scared away his new gf’
>left the group chat after being rightfully ostracised over choosing this relationships i
>gutted because i felt a strong bond with the women in that chat but towards the end they were clearly making fun of me
>i avoided responsibility and blamed other women instead of leaving him
>i buy us a house
>3 months after i buy the house. he brings another woman into it. tells me it’s over between us and that he is bringing her back and that i will accept it or he’ll become homeless or kill himself
>he threatens suicide, threatens to damage my belongings, threatens to squat in my house, threatens to sue me if i don’t allow her into my home.
>she’s apparently fine with all that for whatever reason
>they have hours of loud phone conversations 5-12pm every night in MY house while i cry myself to sleep, have to listen to them both mock me
>one night he comes into my room and cuddles me even though he’s supposedly ~in love~ with new gf
>i didn’t want him to leave so i begged him to end the affair like a spineless fucktard handmaiden (cringe)
>he moves out and i let the house out
>he adds himself to my previous group chat and tells them he never loved me, we were never in a relationship, and that i raped him. (they believe him kek)
>truth is that i was a very devoted and loving gf and did everything he asked of me
>still talks to this woman and composes international handwritten loveletters which she then posts online despite purporting to be in a new e-relationship
>i point out that he hasn’t changed
>’i never treated my other gfs like that, only you because i didn’t respect you’
i’m now medicated and receiving the correct help i need for my affliction and no longer have contact with him. it’s been 6 months since this 4 year pantomime ended and i still have nightmares about it.
Honestly I wouldn't call you a pick-me. It sounds like you were in an abusive
relationship. Regardless, I'm glad you found a place to vent about it. He sounds like a POS, sorry you went through that.
I think it's possible to be both a pickme and an abuse victim
, in fact I think pickmes are more likely to be abused bc they're weak and easy targets.>>11294
It's interesting that you were the one who bought the house for you both, did he earn less money than you? I wonder what the dynamic was
he earned no money. he has never been employed and is nearly 30. i supported him and paid for everything which in retrospect is likely why he didn’t take me seriously, didn’t respect me and felt entitled do treat me like shit.
i let him live rent free, cooked, cleaned, did the laundry etc and play video games because i thought if i gave him a Good Deal and was a Cool Girl that he’d eventually see i’m the true love of his life but actually all i did is pay out the arse for someone who hated me and made fun of me behind my back.
i can’t even entirely fault him at this point it was my fault for letting it happen. ALL my friends told me to stop. my group chat knew it was madness. but i was addicted. being near him was such a fucking high. i did everything he ever asked me. i let him do whatever he wanted and he took that to the extreme.
the dynamic was basically that he had total and complete power over me and knew it full well and even acknowledged it and said that he thought it was unethical that he was wielding my dependency on him. but i let the charade continue, like a literal dope addict
i was so fucking stupid i wish i could turn back time. he never loved me, he never saw me, he just used me and never regarded me as a person >>11294
Sounds very toxic
OP. Glad to hear you've left him and are getting help. He played you because he knew he could. Men can sense insecurity a mile away, you were an easy target to prey. Make sure you build your confidence and esteem before getting into another relationship. It also sounds like you have a crappy support system so work on that too.
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NTA but honesty some of the things that prevent me from fully agreeing with most radfems on tumblr is that they 1. believe in neo pagan woowoo shit like the "divine femenine" (I am anti religion) 2. are extremely weird about lesbians 3. some of them larp as femcels or are some weird mix of pickme tradthot nlog 4. they are very conflictive with each other.
But mostly it's the "divine femenine" shit. I hate putting femininity in a pedestal. And some of these girls have blogs dedicated to some weird aesthetic about it. Literally why.
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deeply glad someone mentioned her because I was hoping to see her on lolcow. she spends her time calling herself a tradcath "waif" and runs an instagram where she posts stuff like picrel kek
people are free to have any routine they want but "taking care of yourself" should be about hygiene and health like >>11480
said, and we all know that for women it means much more than that. even if a woman is fresh out of the shower and healthy, if she's not shaved, have visible eyebags and skin texture, wears loose/practical clothing - people will consider her unkempt.>>11496
i don't even get what the pic means lmao (eslfag though) but>"dump him" feminism means men are unworthy of love and dignity
wtf is this? you need a valid
reason to dump someone now? you violate men's dignity by breaking up with them? i don't get this. men certainly don't have any qualms about leaving women the day they aren't useful/beautiful enough to them.
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some more pics incoming. same tired tradcath "manic pixie" vaguely proana pickme shit
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imagine posting stuff like this with a straight face and then charging money for people to read your dramatic essay about fucking your lecturer kek (link to this genuinely exists on her twitter)
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Jon Koppenhaver(aka War Machine) is an ex-MMA fighter who nearly beat his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend to death, he actually got married while he was in prison and has a son, his new wife actively posts on instagram, like how fucking brain dead do you have to be to marry a violent meathead in prison and then bare him a son and further spread his genes https://www.instagram.com/sojournerjack/
Anna Sundström, born as Anna Christina Persdotter (26 February 1785 in Kymlinge, Spånga – 1871), was a Swedish chemist. She was the assistant of the chemist Jöns Jacob Berzelius from 1808 to 1836. Anna Sundström has been referred to as the first female chemist in Sweden.
This thread needs more positive examples like this
prison groupies are some of the biggest pickmes. if he was out and about, hed beat her and his kid. possibly kill them too. the only victim
is this poor boy these retards conceived
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WTF what is going in this woman’s mind… no words>He's dangerous>He's strong and violent >he'd treat ME differently because I'm special>He's just misunderstood>I could fix him
One, some, or all.
I think it is an extreme case of NLOG. "Im not like those dumb weak victim
women, I can control this dangerous insane scrote because I am special and he loves only me for real"
Does one have the right to be ugly?
Is "my body my choice applicable" here?
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Drew Barrymore on her actual knees for Dylan Mulvaney
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I think libfems have terrible sense of optics, they genuinely don't realize how hypocritical they come across to everybody
They behave that way because they want to be picked, but then so do most women who are in heterosexual relationships, they behaved in a certain way in order to get picked by someone they liked
It is debatable whether pickme behavior which benefits the girl and therefore has her interests aligned with the "pickme category" of behaviors is acceptable
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What is this?
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Women like her think they're somehow persecuted or counter-culture, when in reality they're the norm/ideal
>>12145>bully us into conformity
Retard, femininity is
conformity. That's what's nationally expected by men.
Honestly, don't think being feminine is ideal in anywhere but sexual relationships with men. A teacher, lawyer or doctor who pays more attention to her hair, makeup or clothes and doesn't conform to looking basic will get disrespected and probably harassed/mocked by male coworkers. Imagine an engineer woman working in a company where she's the only woman, she'll have to put up a front so her coworkers won't look down on her, whether that be deepening her voice or having to wear loose clothes so she can feel more comfortable and hide herself. Even female doctor friends of mine get mistaken as nurses and get harassed by both patients and male coworkers more if they're young or wear makeup, which makes no sense.
And when it comes to men, they usually only see feminine women(example would be an instagram model) as whores and basic women (again example is a random girl nextdoor who doesn't put much effort into her looks) as madonna/mother/potential wife. That's the Madonna whore complex they all have which means they'll look down on both groups of women and try to exploit both for their own benefits. The whore for sexual benefits, the madonna for emotional support and doormat.
While what you say is true in the sense that femininity doesn't earn a woman respect in men's eyes, neither does masculinity, at least ultimately. If feminine women get mocked for being "whores", masculine women (or just women who are not ultrafeminine) get mocked for being frumpy dykes and ugly old hags etc. Women simply can't win.
Posts like >>12145
remind me of the retarded libfem talking point that it's actually femininity that is hated, not women, which is blatantly untrue. Misogyny is directed at women, plain and simple, and it doesn't matter whether they're feminine or not, men will find an excuse to mock and belittle women either way.
Anon, the "girl next door" is feminine too, the difference is in how much skin they show (the madonna vs the whore). You don't see any trad men getting married to tomboys or very masculine woman (muscular for example). Or idk women who are gnc in general.
Femininity absolutely is the ideal.
Yeah I agree with you, women will be looked down upon regardless of how we present ourselves, I just disagreed with anon who thought it's ideal and easy to be feminine, which isn't. >>12321
Why the fuck did you make five posts? Get help.
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I don't know if this is at all the right thread for this, but what's the deal with edie/rusticfem. like she's based 95% of the time, but then out of nowhere she'll have these random pick-me takes that feel strange coming from her, she's also really inconsistent when it comes to Judaism, like she'll post about how fundamentally patriarchal Judaism is as a religion but she's still very proud and vocal of her jewish identity and I think she once tweeted that she "HAS" to side with jewish men for the sake of her people.
TBH, I think it's that she has things to unpack about Judaism and its misogyny and is working on it. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your identity and recognizing the problems within it.>>12358
I don't think it's a threat, more of just a broad brush.
There's "becoming a mother" of your own volition because of personal biological narcissism/preserving genes than there's being raped, coerced and pressured into having kids because of moids. The latter falls into this >>12358
category of threat.
Good point, the girl next door isn't subversion of femininity at all, but rather upholding traditional feminine aspects which are "rewarded" and expected in patriarchy>>12334
lel too late, would be nice if admin could delete them
I guess the only circumstance where I could see something like this being justified is if it can be clearly proven that a long-term partner lied about being on birth control or not wanting children, and only as long as the woman can still have an abortion. It's probably extremely rare, but lying nutjobs can be found on both sides, I guess? But anything else - a one-night stand or other circumstances where both parties were negligent, absolutely not. Giving this option unconditionally is insane, men are already free to dip at any time during the pregnancy or even after the child is born, and there are women who argue that men should not only be able to abandon their partners and children, but also never have to help them financially? Jesus. I only saw that take on reddit from men and it's so hypocritical because they would use the "it's a human being, life is sacred!1!" argument to defend the abortion ban, but then immediately switch it up and say that if women can abort then men should have the right to never help their living child. So much for the sanctity of life. In the end, this makes it clear that men cannot accept women having the final say on anything, even if it has been decided by biology, whereas women keep fighting for these men's "rights". As you said, men are free to consistently wear condoms, or get a vasectomy, or, you know, not fuck around and only have sex for procreation with their spouses, as they often advise women to do.
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Posted this in another thred, but The Power by Naomi Alderman is possibly the worst piece of "feminist" text ever written.
The book is built on the premise that women and teenage girls develop the ability to deliver electrostatic shocks(like electric eels) This of course changes the elements of the power dynamic between men and women instantly. however this is a book that you can tell was written by a liberal pick-me feminist who applies her beliefs on every human being. In less then a decade all organized religions were just completely rewritten (the main example being where Jesus was basically crossed out of the Bible and Mary being scribbled on top). as if hundreds of millions of Christian women would just be okay with that. also Women for no reason at all take on "sexist male" characteristics of being condescending, power-hungry and sexualizing teeanage boys. all men start acting weak and submissive. Revolutions and gender wars break out with women becoming bloodthirsty berserkers that rape and kill innocent men and boys. These are written in shockingly graphic detail, almost like some femdom fetish fic.
Its 400+ pages of a ham-fisted allegory. the message that power corrupts and being oppressed is horrible hits you like a sledgehammer every page.
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Not Lisa claiming to be blackpill and then caping for Johnny Depp and befriending a retarded scrote, going into her comments to lecture and insult her follows who hated on him and warned her, smugly posting a ‘how is cyber bullying real’ quote on her community tab, and then coming back to cry about how she was boohoo MANipulated into flirting with an engaged man and is so hurt and victimized that she slept on the bathroom floor fucking lmao
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Kek she is coping and pity partying so hard. It’s really disappointing to see the direct Radical Ramblings is going after streaming more regularly with Lisa. Radical has gone soft, coulda swore she had videos about het feminists but now she’s falling over herself to protect Lisa after Lisa treated her subscribers like shit and Radical just silently watched Lisa defend pedo rapist Depp to the end.
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Say what you want about Gone Girl you can't deny the Cool Girl monologue was right, and pickmes seething about it proves its point.
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Accidentally found MRA tumblr and saw this TikTok. She claims she used to be a “blue haired feminist” but she suddenly realized that she has to work and pay taxes so now feminism bad. It makes no sense and her message is so weak it’s laughable but I’m sure she’s just happy knowing a bunch of men beat off to her TikToks while commenting shit like “where can I find a woman like you!?” Kek it’s honestly pathetic. Do you give all of the money you grift from TikTok to your husband because having your own bank account is a yucky feminist thing?
And you can tell she's not any happier licking crumbs off moids' plates, her eyes have nothing behind them except 'help me.'>>12972>>12977
Sorry for incoming sperg
A lot of Amy's narration is her obvious distaste for other women and her assumption that they're playing Cool Girl, when it may turn out that they do actually enjoy those things and those interests tend to overlap—-another thing about Amy's character is her nearsightedness towards others' behavior and her familiarity with being the smartest person in the room, so she's used to looking down on people.
Stop being an nlog. I know more women who like marital arts movies than men, the point of that monolog is that men expect us to change our personality depending on the current guy we're dating so we can be super relatable to them while still spending our time maintaining a very attractive outer appearance. Being autistic and counting burps like the woman in that post does or having weird special interests isn't going to make you an ideal girl in their eyes but a weirdo because the point is that the cool girl likes what her man likes, not what "all men" likes.
The point is that the man you're currently dating expecting you to have same interests as him is pointless, the women who do it to be loved are sad.
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again I have never a bf and neither you or the amy dunn's rant are saying anything groundbreaking, it's the lowest common denominator. anyway this is what the actual husband of the actress your quoting looks like.
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I can empathize with where she's coming from. Fact is Human beings shouldn't have to live like laboratory rats in cities, constantly juggling papers and decisions on what to sign and what not to, all for the sake of avoiding a ruined life. She appears to be attributing the blame to feminism, but in reality, the root of the issue lies in neo-liberal capitalism.
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I think intersectional feminism might have started out with some good aims but every sort of "intersection" has been used to the disadvantage of women, liberalism ranks literally every intersection under the sun above women's issues (and it's even hard to get them to acknowledge there's even such a thing as something exclusive to women at all). I don't even blame moids who use it to gain advantages cause their using their just using the tools libfems gave them. That's why (liberal) feminism is men's rights at this point Its is pro-sex industry, pro-removal of women's spaces, pro-gender roles, pro-kink and sexualizing abuse, and pro-equalizing of men and women when it comes to victim/perp of sexual violence and critiques of relationships and critiques of patriarchy, and suggestion that race and gender counters sex every single time.
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Idk but I had the exact same experience, I only worked with women, and we only have 2 guys who are nice and never gossip about anyone and just want to get the work done, I'm sure that if I worked with more men I would encounter shitty men. It's just sad that when working with 11 women only 3 of them are decent people and the rest talk behind each other's back, gossip, backstab, play mindgames, act super nice to someone and then call the same person cunt or bitch when they aren't around etc., and my female boss is the biggest narc ever, she and my two female team leaders are also the only people at our work place who go on literally 1 hour long breaks, when others, including team leaders in other departments, can only go for 15-30 minutes
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Deepthroating cock is just like drinking water uwu and totes something inexperienced women should do to bear swallowing rank jizz
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Some radfems are like this (I didn't make the meme)
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Found this random twitter account, it's full of weird red pill content even though the OP a woman and also unattractive (no offense).https://twitter.com/deadsandsushi?s=20
Also she was a virgin at 26https://twitter.com/deadsandsushi/status/1618836542965039105?s=20
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Documented some pickme shit in a server I'm in
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Never in my life have I seen an attractive woman boast about fucking another woman’s bf. It’s ALWAYS women who look like this.
This woman’s Nigel abandoned her to move to Asia to chase women who fit his racial preference and even though he’s been hooking up with significantly more attractive women, she waits.
What goes around, I guess kek(Discord vendetta infighting)
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You shouldn't shit on other women when this is how you look, japanon. Your selfies were even sadder but I'm not going to send them because no one deserves to see that shit(Discord vendetta infighting)
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>>15908>men willingly going into dangerous areas and possibly dying is a very positive masculine trait
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Peak troonmaidenry. Absolute shitshow of a post and sub. Bet all the removed comments are the actual feminist ones. Mods should be ashamed. Note, you can expand collapsed comments by clicking on them in the archive:https://archive.ph/Bm8LO
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Jane Birkin passed away few days ago and while mass media is praising her, she was the supreme pickme even into her old age.
I would feel bad for her because she was obviously abused by that old pedophile Serge (rest in piss) the fact that even in her old age she defended him and dismissed his victims makes me sick.
Also she was negligent to her own daughters because she was busy running after Serge. Her eldest one, Kate, got into drugs and alcohol very young but Jane was more bothered about Kate wearing her dresses.
She was fine with her second daughter, Charlotte, being abused by her father (Serge) publicly - where he made her sing a song about father-daughter INCEST with him and published it. If you listen to the song, you can hear how uncomfortable her poor 12 year old daughter is. What did Jane Birkin say about it? "A beautiful song, you don't understand it", absolutely disgusting.
Anyways by enabling old smelly pedophile and making him center of her life, she made life hell for her daughters. Her eldest daughter died by suicide in 2013, I wonder if Jane let Serge abuse her too…
Notice the only argument for trans women being women is that they have been abused by men and are feminine. I suppose gay men are also women by that standard? Or is the self id what takes it over the top? I feel bad for the abuse mtfs go through, and I don’t doubt passing mtfs experience misogyny. They are, however, unequivocally not female. Not just that, they are male. This isn’t a situation like complete androgen insensitivity syndrome where frankly our sexed terms fail to accurately capture the reality. Most mtfs are not intersex. They’re feminized males. Some are very convincing at looking like females, most aren’t. Most have lived lives as boys and men. It is not surprising to think that the interests of male people and female people may differ, and to want to focus on female people.
What’s funny is if they didn’t get mad about NEEDING to involve males in everything, we could have just had subdivisions of feminism that focused on the experiences of female people and feminism that focuses on people who look like women more broadly. There are already black feminists who only focus on black women, disabled feminists who prioritize disabled women, third world feminists who focus on the third world, so this could have just been an entirely different area of focus - female specific issues versus “perceived as women” issues. I’m sure it would piss off people but at least we could work on the issues that matter to us instead of having to defend them all the time.
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In reddit pedophilia is more accepted I'd say, they constantly defend how pedos are "human too" and shouldn't be punished harshly. Also reddit literally had a subreddit for sharing cp where the owner enabled it until it got on news, reddit admins regularly spam cp in feminist subreddits to egt them banned, etc. While 4chan always banned cp(as any other site does)>>18159
You're underaged and you've only heard about 4chan through those "most scary post in 4chan history" videos, right? Hilarious.
Not to Reddit sperg too hard but most of these male controlled social media sites are rampant with the sickest shit imaginable as I said Reddit is worse because it reaches a far wider "educated" audience. Women do nothing but enable this or outright ignore/give it the benefit of the doubt which both are pathetic and spineless actions. I understand that digital marketing is impossible without social media though and everyone has a digital footprint post zoomer whether we want to or not. LinkedIn is necessary for networking and Facebook is necessary for organising group projects and keeping in touch with colleagues. Therefore it is impossible not to fall victim
to fucked up male social media sites shit, you're blackmailed into using them at some point in your life.
You don't have these problems with women run subreddits and women run websites, tumblr never had the same level of inhuman shit as twitter, Reddit and mainstream "normie" social media. >>18159
When you grow up you learn that these aren't a few bad apple sites with gore, CP animal abuse and extremely inhuman shit. 4chan is a zoomer larp now. You learn this is the intentional male experience of the world and an ultimate goal with a clear outcome. There is literally no place you can go on the internet that is a male controlled website that is safe from "demonic" male shit. And female run sites like this one are tightly monitored, flooded with male shit and run off the internet periodically for speaking this obvious truth. Calling these sites demonic is childish too, it's inhuman, depraved and dehumanizing. Use real words to describe things like an adult person.
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Since when Marina is a pickme bimbo, Am I missing something? Did some bimbofication happened to her while I wasn't looking anons
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Anon who larps as female seperatist yet chooses to only befriend men and continously stays with men who cheat on her.
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Imagine you talk to someone on here and it's someone like that anon behind the screen.
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I hope to god this woman never has a daughter, the amount of pickme cool girl shit she spews is concerning.
Oh hey, we're famous! Just about everything here is wrong though. Are you whiteglove? We've missed you, my little schizoid. We like gays/lesbians, almost all of the 'circle of friends' are LGBT, we are autistic, nobody is going to aba LMFAO. The only threats were directed at Unsolids and I, by insane communists (whiteglove). The right wing user? Do you mean transgender lesbian cielle who detransitioned, went hard right, said offensive shit, and was exposed for pedophilia and immediately banned? Or the right wing user who said offensive shit and is currently kept in the server's sewer dungeon, to be toyed with like a pet monkey, only sometimes allowed to speak? If you specify, I can help clarify.(namefagging)
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I found the patron saint of pickmes, guys. >Girlfriend proposes to paedophile as he is jailed for trying to arrange sex with childhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1806012/girlfriend-proposes-paedophile-sex-teenager-london
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I believe "tankie-feminists" should be considered just as bad as trad-women. These are women who have a single visceral hatred against liberal capitalism, and they will support anyone who opposes it. For example, a few prominent Korean socialist feminists sided with Yoon Suk Yeol in the 2022 Korean election despite his open anti-feminist stance, simply because he is anti-globalist and of course, they disagree with the previous the liberal capitalist Democratic party
Of all the issues facing women, I feel like one of the hardest to internalize is that "beauty" is a false bag of goods sold to women. I've met so many so-called "misandrist feminist" women who get their jimmies rustled if you dare suggest that cosmetic surgery is bad and shouldn't exist, or that women choosing less functional clothes in favor of aesthetics contributes to a notion of women as decorative, or that makeup, even non-standard makeup like goth makeup, encourages a view of women's bodies as a canvas for art and reinforce beauty standards… every time they say the same thing, "I do it for myself!" or "I do it for other women! It has nothing to do with men."
Even if that was true, you're still harming women by contributing to status games that put down women who don't meet beauty standards. What do I care that my jailer is a woman and not a man? I see past all the performative talk about how fat women matter, ugly women matter, gnc women matter - it's all lies, the true opinions come out when there's a woman they all hate and then they rip her appearance to shreds. We know who you think looks good and who you're only performatively saying looks good.
There needs to be a name for this kind of woman who doesn't focus on men but still wants to uphold anti-woman beauty standards because it gives her a sense of purpose and status. Like all those "I'm a hyperfeminine misandrist" tiktok women. Like pickme girls, but they want other hot women to pick them. Making a new hierarchy where it's not men at the top but conventionally feminine and attractive women, who can look down on other women - in a 'feminist' way, of course.
Men also go to gym, get their brows done and hair cut, remove their body hair if they're working out and wanna show off muscles etc. I hate how some people will seeethe at people who care about their looks, incels with "chad" and femcels
No it's not feminist to claim that a woman dying her hair a different color is oppressing you. Let women style themselves the way they want and stop making weird offhand comments.
If a woman likes tight shirts, she's a traitor, appealing to the male gaze, etc. but if a gymbro wears the same shirt, no one will criticize him, even after he admits he does it to show off his body. You guys are misogynistic for dissecting the way women present themselves and assuming it's all to appeal to men.
>>19859> If a woman likes tight shirts, she's a traitor, appealing to the male gaze, etc
Did you read anything I wrote or did you make up a phantom post in your head to respond to? Where did I talk about the male gaze, or dyed hair, or tight shirts? My point is that even women who hate men, who don't date men, and claim to be feminists benefit from promoting and conforming to beauty standards. There are a lot of women who are at the top of the beauty hierarchy who are just mad that men are on top of them, but they don't care about tearing down the beauty hierarchy because they enjoy feeling on top of "ugly" or "unfashionable" women.
The difference between men and women's "beauty" treatments is that women are compelled to perform beauty and femininity societally and men are not. Women's beauty standards are significantly more rigid than men's, and women are defined by beauty in a way that men, even beautiful men, never are. Women's beauty regiments take up more time and money and have to walk the line between looking too prudish and looking too sexy. Meanwhile the richest, most powerful men in the world are the ugliest people you will ever see, and it won't matter because beauty for men is a hobby, not an obligation.
Read the post again, and you'll see I mentioned cosmetic surgery, cutting women's bodies up and putting them at risk of death or infection to achieve some beauty standard. I could not care less if "men also get cosmetic surgery" because there is far more pressure on women to be beautiful. When the women you see around you who are celebrated all have cosmetic surgery or fillers or botox, it doesn't matter how much those women say "I love natural beauty! I'm just doing this for myself", you are reinforcing beauty standards that drive other women to feel worse about themselves and then get that same surgery to then reinforce to other women. You can say that all nose shapes are beautiful all you want, the fact that nose jobs primarily exist to make 'ethnic' noses into straight or ski slope noses says much more than any platitude about doing it for yourself.
How about make-up and drawing another face on top of yours? Does it matter that the top makeup companies are owned by men who don't wear it? Does it matter that women are compelled to wear makeup to interviews, parties, events, to look 'professional'? Does it matter that makeup, even freaky non-standard stuff like avant-garde makeup, still encourages focusing on how you look, and judging other women's faces? How about wearing high heels, which prevent you from running in an emergency? Do you think that never happens, because I remember a female politician worrying about not being able to run from the building during an attack because she was wearing heels. Why is it only female politicians who wear heels, even though, as politicians, they're more in danger than normal people of terrorist attacks? Why does 'beauty' and 'caring about how you look' have to involve pain, constriction, dysmorphia, discomfort, and self-surveillance?
There's nothing wrong with getting by by continuing to perform femininity, or liking fashion and aesthetics. Dye your hair and wear your tight shirts if you want. But beauty culture and beauty standards are not feminist, and if you get this upset at basic critiques of beauty culture, and call women who disagree with you 'femcels
', you're not a feminist.
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Your analysis of the female beauty standard is highly critical, and a pretty good read.>When the women you see around you who are celebrated all have cosmetic surgery or fillers or botox, it doesn't matter how much those women say "I love natural beauty! I'm just doing this for myself", you are reinforcing beauty standards that drive other women to feel worse about themselves and then get that same surgery to then reinforce to other women.
You have perfectly articulated the words I've been struggling to explain. A lot of the women you have described seem to think they're doing makeup, surgeries, and other things of that caliber "for themselves" just because no one is holding a gun to their head and directly forcing them to do these things. However, they never explain WHY they're hyperfixated on their own faces "for themselves". WHY do lots of women do makeup everyday for themselves? WHY do lots of women take it upon "themselves" to ritually use makeup before work? Then I get to videos where women who regret their surgeries, regret their costly spending on makeup, and even regret their excessive tattooing come forward and admit their insecurities being the reason why they loved surgeries, makeup, and such. Their insecurities always boiled down to trauma, and/or what the media pressured them to believe about what being attractive means. And that's where the answer finally completes the circle, in my opinion. Women who excessively do these things, makeup, surgeries, and other things of that caliber, do it "for themselves" because of THEIR OWN brainwashed desire to always please others, most commonly men
Regarding picrel, notice how even this article tries to encourage women to try on makeup, insisting that it's a good way to boost self-confidence instead of encouraging women to take care of their faces by any normal, and actually healthy means? Especially considering how much money women spend on it? Even though women spend more than ten thousand dollars on makeup in her lifetime, this article STILL tries to spoonfeed the female-readers that makeup is STILL worth it…
If they don't do it to impress men, what's the problem? They are not pickmes and this post doesn't belong in the pickme thread.
I like nice clothes and aesthetics becauase they make me feel good. It's not that deep. Even when I was a kid I liked pretty things and didn't think about impressing anyone at that age.
Kek, fr. There will be a lesbian with black dyed hair or alternative makeup and straight "feminists" will accuse her of wanting male attention because gasp
she decided she dared to change how she presents! They're actual tradfags who hate any woman who's not beautiful without styling and that's why they're so against women styling themselves. They want us to be "natural" and as she admits "unattractive" as she considers a face without makeup or a body without clothing accentuating the form as being.
Lesbians definitely make choices outside of socialization. They have values that were formed in a vacuum, not at all influenced by the women they see in advertisements, TV shows, movies, comics, video games, social media posts, music videos, animations, paintings, digital art, sculptures - lesbians are immune to all of this media. Lesbians would never do something for the sake of conformity, to fit into a clique or to be spared scrutiny for breaching societal norms.
We should always support women's choices in whatever they want to do, because they know what is best for them. Women's actions are independent from one another, no woman looks around to see what other women are doing and attempt to imitate that. Every woman is simultaneously correct, even if two women have opposing opinions. This is a good analysis of women's inclination to focus on their appearance. I will not change any of my behaviors because I like self-gratification from looking sexy. Humans are visual creatures on a primitive level and I intend to uphold this status quo until I draw my last breath. Hashtag feminism hashtag end the patriarchy hashtag eyeliner sharp enough to kill a man
If you're not a lesbian, you have no say in this, straightie.>>19876
Imagine being so retarded you can't understand sarcasm, that anon was agreeing with you and shitting on lesbians.
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Damn, who are all these poor innocent moids whose lives were ruined by the evil feminists? How are things worse, is it the "men are scared to ask women out" retarded rethoric?
>>19876>Hashtag feminism hashtag end the patriarchy hashtag eyeliner sharp enough to kill a man
I think the anon is taking the micky out of >>19874
That is unless you deem "eyeliner so sharp it could kill a man" a serious post kek.
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A lot of genuine retarded, liberal feminist, or pickme-ish takes happen here on lolcow, CC, and anywhere else. How am I a retard for not immediately clocking sarcasm from beyond the screen like a perpetually online robot? I have a life, you know.
And by the way, I think your small take on hetero women needing to "shut up" about lesbians needs to go both ways, because you guys aren't very quiet about how much you don't respect women that don't eat out other women. The problem I have with lesbians dissing hetero women and always telling them to fuck off is that people with glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Lesbians tell straight women that they're "weaker" and "stupider" because of their sexual orientation of being attracted to males because of all these hard-to-swallow reasons, yet when anyone brings up the domestic violence stats from lesbian couples, the copium breaks loose to explain why the stats are somehow completely wrong. Maybe, if lesbians don't want straight women to talk about lesbian problems, lesbians shouldn't be acting as condescending as they also do, kind of like how you went and insulted my intelligence for such a miniscule reason, and when the other anon wasn't even talking to me in the first place.
NTA but i'm genuinely sorry anon, I don't want to contribute to the catty insipid culture on this board and site at large. I just thought the eyeliner comment was kek.
>A lot of genuine retarded, liberal feminist, or pickme-ish takes happen here on lolcow, CC, and anywhere else
I completely agree. It should be reminded that there are posts that weren't ironic afaik about this topic >>19859
>>19865 ITT so you did have a point to be vigilant. However I will have no stake in the het vs lesbian shit, that's incredibly insipid and dumb and I won't be on either side of that shit. That combined with the "monosexism" takes in the "lesbian" exclusionary thread on this board are enough to genuinely induce cringe in me. I see little point to gatekeeping and making arguments on the basis of what were calling sexual orientation, we are all women and have experiences that are similar and some dissimilar. Drawing lines in the sand helps no one.
This post is giving me tranny vibes. Lesbians will never be into your rancid dick and that "lesbians are abusive
" study has been debunked a million times. Only misogynists/males bring it up.>>19875
Fucking men, birthing their kids and cleaning up after them is by far the worst thing a woman can do. Giving up shaving and make up means nothing if you're still a kitchen slave. Even the most hyperfeminine lesbian is doing more for feminism just by existing and not being a bangmaid for males.
Kek this. It's a butthurt tranny or man, only men have this much of a hateboner for women who do makeup as they think they should be able to see our natural states and "choose" us in that state as if any woman want them.
Also yeah, giving up makeup alone wouldn't change a womans life for the better as much as the other stuff you mentioned so it's weird how some people obsess over it.
samefag, nevermind anon, I misread your post. I don't fuck men and don't bear their kids. I encourage women to do the same, and
take it a step further to also feel nice and comfy in their natural, untampered bodies. It's a privilege.
>>19918>No one aside from you believes women wear everything we do and other stuff to "appeal to muh moids"
Nta but damn. This has literally been the mainstream thought of all radical feminist literature for the last 70 years.>>19920
Rip. this board has been dead for weeks and now this is all that its entered its final form this is all that's left of discussion.
The women who wear makeup or get plastic surgery who claim that they “love their bodies just how they are, just doing it for me/fun/I want to” all know that they’re lying and do it on purpose, especially the filler/plastic surgery “body posi” ones. They just know that they can continue to scream that because all the other women just like that will band with them to shout anyone down.
When the pandemic hit I ran to Reddit makeup subs out of curiosity. You can look for yourself, every pandemic related post or what did you buy this week post during it was filled with women admitting that they aren’t wearing makeup anymore except on zoom. Some would say “I guess it wasn’t as much for myself as I thought” but others would try to come up with various copes.
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>Ben Shapiro is advocating second wave feminist demands
How the fuck do you come to that conclusion.
The poster is complaining about a child, regardless of whether they are a male or not (I'm inclined to believe it's male too for several reasons) it reads disgusting, pathetic and misognistic. I agree that speculating on samefagging is shit but both posts have no full stops and are typed in a deliberate style to look different. There's some pretty clear moid brain shit in it too.
What lesbian talks about "settling" for women? topkek, it's the definition of male projection. Also posters on this site alone have talked about having children with their wives and girlfriends. The bizarre moid seems to think women don't have children with other women. I've seen anons post of pregnancy in /ot/ with their wives from donors; a male wouldn't consider this to exist and accordingly that male does not in their post because they're "gay" obviously. Another retarded choice is the poster is 20 years old and married, as one anon already mentioned that's some Mormon shit. What lesbian couple marries at 20? Another is that they don't say lesbian; they say gay. Once again, this is male laden lesbian erasure. Few lesbian women refer to themselves as gay, personally in women only spaces online and irl that aren't gendie ruled "lesbian" is explicitly used, "sapphic" is a troon dog whistle and "gay" is ashamed/distancing and mainly used for gay moids. Finally the language they use is downright dehumanizing and projecting its the clearest indicator that it's male. If the poster is 20 and "her" partner is around her age they are both barely out of teenhood so how can they be infertile? What kind of woman, child or not, brain damaged or not thinks of a "woman!" four years older than them who is "gay" as being infertile as if someone is that retarded and doubly as if it's even an insult to a lesbian woman, kek. Males obsession with womens fertility is a retarded larp. As a lesbian there's an unspoken freedom to laugh in the face of those who pull this shit yet the "gay" woman! poster seems backed into a corner from this retardation. But regardless of whether it's male we can all agree that it's retarded.
>or just outright treat teenage girls as either innocent virgins/menacing whores.
There is no woman here who sees teenage girls as innocent virgins or whores because they are children, you pedofilic freak. You sound like a disgusting misognistic scrotey pedo yourself thinking of female children as whores or virgins, in misognistic Madonna whore absolutes. Your comment about virtue signalling about lesbians is retarded and absolute peak brainrot but the equivalence of a female child to a whore is more horrific than retarded. >>20039
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. There is no equal partnership with being indentured. This is just elaborate tradthot mental gymnastics.
>>20044>thinking of female children as whores or virgins, in misognistic Madonna whore absolutes
Think of that next time you go on another tirade calling a lesbian a pedo forrrr saying her girlfriend's homophobic, 4chan-indoctrinated teenage sister asking to sit on her lap for various reasons is weird/hateable/vent-worthy. Same for the girl, who has a boyfriend, framing OP rejecting her as bullying to her parents because all she really wants is to hurt her sister and get attention. She has already made homophobic, nonsensical comments she's repeating mindlessly at her sister from incel circles (like infertile foid). The comment about her sister not being able to close her legs even as a kid makes me think this girl might be coping with a sexual trauma in her own life by acting out inappropriately, which is actually sadly common.
Reading that post of complaint after complaint and translating it to "this is a man fantasising about a porn scenario of a little girl wanting to fuck him" is the Madonna/whore complex I was pointing out anons were projecting onto the girl and her edgelordery. Your essay just doubles down how she couldn't possibly be acting out inappropriately or falling for terminally online tradthot takes at her impressionable age, and only a degenerate male would ever imagine a girl like her existing. Saying you fear for their child is sick. There's no way you'd even say that if you thought the post was a man making everything up.
It's a pedophile, gender doesn't matter. Pedophiles notoriously assume underage girls(or boys) are showing interest in them when they actually are not, it's a common phenomenon. Anyone defending that anon is either uneducated, misogynistic or the anon her(!)self.
Pedohpiles like that shouldn't be allowed to have kids, I hope she doesn't hurt her own child, although it probably genetically isn't hers so the child is in danger. When a pedophile is in the same household with a child who doesn't share his DNA, the child is a possible victim
>>20051>Think of that next time you go on another tirade calling a lesbian a pedo
No, criticising women for their own retarded actions and own self inflicted misogyny whether internalised or not is not going on a "misognistic tirade". Choice feminism has already been discussed and debunked ITT alone >>19920
. You can't be safe from criticism because woman, that's as moronic as unironically criticising my post because it's long. The poster being lesbian whether it's a male larping or an actual lesbian woman is irrelevant to them being retarded in their thought process.
>Saying you fear for their child is sick. There's no way you'd even say that if you thought the post was a man making everything up.
I'm not this anon >>20009
. Whether it's made up or not is irrelevant to my criticism. I'm confused as to what has you offended about my post. The insinuation that women think in Madonna whore absolutes IS the offense, and it seems obvious to me that op didn't even see the Madonna whore dichotomy in the first place. I'm not reinforcing it by saying children are children and should at the very least he excused from this at an age where they are very likely not even sexually mature let alone mentally. The child in the post could be very real but it's still a child so I'd hope people don't treat a childs words as serious as an adults. I don't "fear for the child" and no one is projecting onto this child, whatever you mean by that. The child could well and truly be fucked up with terminally online beliefs in which case I do feel bad for her because the poster is retarded and she apparently has no one who can talk to her about how fucked up this belief is. I only said it was sick to make the assumption that other women see children as whores or virgins (in their own disgusting language). Also if op is a woman, damn. >>20050
I'm giving my thoughts on the language used in their post based on my experiences and opinion, you're free to give yours too. Or you can toss around petty moid internet insults that contribute nothing though if you want.