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most anons here are unfortunately against blackpill feminism and label bp feminists names such as ''femcels'' so i think if we do post on this thread we would have to constantly censor ourselves to avoid offending radfems.
Someone should create a new blackpill feminist raddit again but with a new name so it doesnt get taken down
blackpill feminism is the way of believing that patriarchy will never be dismantled and we will sadly never be liberated, especially with what's happening nowadays
>women still not believed on rape cases and even being bashed by other women>women still being accepting toward religions despite being oppressive toward women>the overturn on abortion and women still being pro-life>women eating up that troon agenda in the west>women still marrying and coddling with their oppressors despite saying that theyre "not like the others">women bashing other women for being anti-makeup surgery etc by calling them pickmes>women thinking that tons of makeup and surgeries are a must for them>women not being able to define women and think that troon shit is more believable>liberal feminists infesting the radical feminism spaces (example with the uprising of TIRFs shitting up everywhere nowadays)
and the list goes on. im just thinking that we will always end up oppressed and it's not possible to meet our liberation if we cannot be 100% free from the men even if it has to make the humanity go extinct.
most of blackpillers are antinatalist lesbian/febfem separatists/think that separatism if the only way to be free from this, but noone in the mainstream sphere would agree with that
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i've been thinking the same too, i just dont get how people be thinking that it's just "luh socializazion", because if it's because of that, how did it started first then ? did men saw their nature and agreed that they have the tool to oppress us ? if not, why can't we have the same socialization to oppress them back ?
picrel shows average tirf brainrot when it comes to criticize men's nature, it's either easier to come to the conclusion of "not all men!!" and pack it up
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>>11174>Also why are we still using stupid incel lingo if we hate those types so much?
I've always wondered this too. Seeing 'Stacey', simp, 'thot', 'whore' be unironically used on this site puts a massive damper on things for me but I understand it's a result of having no identity; no representation that isn't moid centered and coded. Women aren't allowed their own forms of entertainment, or their own identity and seeing these terms just solidifies that. It's also inversely why 'scrote' and 'moid' is nice; because they insult the maleness of males without bringing terrible shit to mind. I also don't mind 'rapeape', I've seen circulating around but it brings terrible real scrote imagery to mind so I'd prefer when it's used sparingly and correctly. Many anons were defending femcel a while back on a thread and that irritated me to no end. Later on anons were defending a pedofilic anime for no sound reason. I still think about why people do this? I recall the anon said I was a Stacey for being disgusted by shitty pedoshit. It was some peak terminally online shit.
I try to avoid /ot/ a lot because I just can't put up with this shit anymore. The more you read about moids inhuman shit, the more you begin to lose hope and it becomes near impossible to dismiss some of the off color things people say. Passing jokes are fraught with hidden meanings. I see posts making light of female assault, abuse, fetishizing womens suffering and it just hurts to see. It doubly hurts as anti women rhetoric has spread violently in the past ten years and has been normalized in the mainstream. To see women even on this site, considered one of the last bastions of free speech for women online and realize that some of the users here still celebrate moid content like pedofilic anime and have moid fetishes for serial killers hurts. Then it all just feels like absurdism that any female person would tolerate this, it feels like all women are gaslit into acquiescing to male cruelty; lesbian or not. Moids don't even believe lesbian women are real. The world is designed for moids yet they're still unhappy, they still blame women and feminism on every failure they have in life. Their fathers abandon their mothers who raise them and they blame their mothers solely. An unwanted pregnancy is blamed on the woman always as if they impregnated themself. They blame Troon moids and men in dresses somehow on women. They blame men assaulting women on women. They blame men in dresses assaulting women on women. The vast majority of Male crime will always find a scapegoat like xyz race of males are bad or a lack of investment in mental health services and infrastructure despite women always taking the brunt of this abuse yet never lashing out in collective numbers like males.
>>11194>Seeing 'Stacey', simp, 'thot', 'whore' be unironically used on this site puts a massive damper on things for me
LC is literally an image board created because of 4chan. The original userbase was almost entirely made up of anons from 4chan. Seeing newfags that are unaware of this blows my mind. LC wasn't even the first attempt at an image board for /cgl/ drama.
>It's also inversely why 'scrote' and 'moid' is nice
moid/foid/troid are terms that originated on /r9k/ one of the most women hating boards on a site that already hates women.
Many years ago when the 4chan was still owned and run by moot, there used to be a page for potential advertisers that stated the demographics of 4chan was at least 40% female.
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how can women came up with these kind of misogynistic slurs ? how the hell did women went to this kind of hatred of each others ? there's no way to be free if we still eat up each others like that
they do this on purpose the only thing they want to do in this shithole is derail or talk about troons or how they right-wingers are totally feminists (they are not,thats the opposite of feminism they literally want to take women's rights away).
I think there is barely any feminists in this site anyways, it just seems filled with tradthot conservative women who only care about troons, being right-wing and nothing else. Any other topics are too complicated for their undeveloped brains.
Its telling that the most active poster on 2X has now become pakichan with HIS (yes im calling him a he because at this point its obvious that pakichan is a gay moid who has a fetish for white men, he also posted a borderline illegal picture once of a child….) shit bait threads such as the right-wing one where he spergs about only brown men and how they are the evil rapists and that native women should be sterilized.
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Its because we Humans come from primates who already have problems when it comes to male rage and gender inequality.
I notice that both men and women get angry when you remind them that they evolved from primates and that alot of this horrible behavior is unfortunately biological and evolutionary and the only way for them to actually change it is to start evolving by changing their biology and genes responsible for this behavior.
Writing shitty things like ''Ugh men are so mediocre am i right ladies'' so you can get likes on twitter is doing absolutely nothing for women or for feminism.
Change starts within you….literally. Your cellular structure needs to change.
Epigenetics are also a big thing so that means that pickme mothers to some degree have their children also inherit their pickmeism or whatever abusive
and shitty traits of the father and mother.
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pic related is after the Heard trial. I bring this up because self-identified (radical) feminists repeatedly pointed out how the public thirsted for an acceptable woman to target and that trial gave them that excuse.
what's making me want to do a flip on the way down (as in feeling abruptly "blackpilled") is that regardless of any political or demographic specifics it would seem everyone ultimately desires an acceptable woman to target. and, not to blog post but seeing this reaction makes me think I was correct to conceal my abuse from a male. when I was being abused by him this is what I could've/would've encountered had I not hidden what was happening to me? from the group that claims to be pro-woman and possibly the only group with that supposed outlook.
beyond myself, seeing the incessant disdain for other women from women, how quick they are to pull mean-spirited sentiments out, how mothers treat their daughters, on and on over time is not doing any favors.
>>11200>be me and complain about how bleak it is that incel language is even used on one of the last bastions of female free speech on the internet >Somehow you turn this into right wing sperging
Now that's actually going OT anon.>>11198>Pickme women (who are the majority of women) will always see men as victims in every situation which is why they also worship abusers or killers because they genuinely view those men as victims in their fucked up mind.
Its important to remember that this is learned behavior that women are socialized into. An important point that an anon brought up in the pink pill thread was that females of almost all animal species don't "child rear" adult males of the same species and it is not their responsibility to do so despite pressure in humans. This also blows massive hole in the eugenics bullshit of >>11202
The coddling of human males is not biological. "Pickme" women and intrasexual hatred is just the result of female socialization and how moids pit women against each other. Moids know that in nature they compete and die over females not the other way around. They also know that their genetics are unworthy and that they're genetic dead ends and so must uphold these lies to women. The term "peacocking" is not applied to the female of a species.
It's possible to fight this conditioning, I don't see it as completely bleak and hopeless. I think radfeminism has already helped women to see the perspectives of different women across the globe online and the extent of all moids disdain. The best women can do is share their experiences and through these perspectives give the hope of peaking others.
God im so tired of pakifag and his white male fetish. Your theory of him being a self hating gay man is actually plausible, he hates all feminists, makes fun of them calling them fat etc like a moid would, said American women deserved getting their rights to abortion removed like a moid would, cares more about brown men not being hot rather than how abusive
they are like a gay moid definitely would.
I'm not denying that fucked up shit in nature doesn't exist and that females are flawless in all animal species, just that moids picking and choosing what is natural and what isn't to fit their cruel arguments don't add up and can just as easily be used against them.
This cruel example you raise sounds like a adaptation to the sexual armsrace of a cruel male species.
Ratfem if you are too dumb too comprehend blackpill feminism you can fuck off along with throwing the word ''eugenics'' around when you have no idea what it means. You have many other threads made for ''radfems'' like you who think socialization is the reason for sexism. You say this because deep down you still want to keep on dating and defending men who are your ''friends'' because biology reveals them all to be the same.
Also female animals….did you study every female animal before making your claim? The specific primates which humans originated from HAVE had a behavior very similar to humans in gender division. Also there are multiple other mammal species where the male hurts the female (mostly during mating).
Our extant relatives are both bonobos and chimpanzees, with bonobos having a more matriarchal society vs the patriarchal chimpanzees. If a male threatens a younger female, the older females come to their defense and attack the male. Aside from that, bonobos are a relatively peaceful species of ape unlike chimpanzees who form their pack bonds on female coalition vs male. When female bonobos migrate, they immediately form bonds with older females for protection.
The theory on why bonobos have a relatively peaceful society vs. warlike chimps is potentially because male bonobos cannot tell when females are fertile, as females are sexually receptive during both fertile and infertile times, and since sex between females is common. Since there are more females to go around at any given time to mate with, the competition isn't as demanding, so males aren't as eager to compete against one another for mating options.
Our fertility is hidden as well as we're able to want and not have sex at any given time, with different parts of our menstrual cycle being more apt for pregnancy. Human societies have often time been patriarchal but I wonder if we were in the past and if partially civilization created a deep sickness in everyone. As the bonobo society seems more relaxed, easy-going and relatively peaceful. Bonobos are omnivorous as well and when a female/male gets a kill, the old matriarch has been observed as the first to eat, but instead of rigorously fighting to eat, when she's finished, everyone else gets their turn.
>>11251>the bobobo meme
Lmaooo, with females coerced into sex and with incest and with the dominant matriarchal female being a literal boy mom when she allows her son to coerce other females into sex, but only her son. Wow so cool, I know this from somewhere…
There's a great article on quillete called "A Girl's Place in the World", it's about sexist and abusive
practices in hunter gatherer societies and primitive societies (I wonder who socialized them to be like this, hm, definitely not porn…) They also mention chimps and bonobos>We also share some important similarities with other closely related apes in the context of intersexual conflict. Primatologist Augustin Fuentes writes that his “overview of chimpanzee data suggests that we probably share with them the potential for severe aggression between groups and male coercion of females.” Even among bonobos, who are co-dominant and even relatively female-dominant in comparison with most other mammals, sexual coercion by males has been observed. Primatologist Klaree Boose described their findings studying a captive population of bonobos housed at Columbus Zoo, Ohio for about eight months, writing that:>"We observed 56 attempts of direct sexual coercion performed by two males with a combined success rate of 71.4%. Of the two males who engaged in direct sexual coercion behaviors, the son of the alpha female (Gander) participated in direct sexual coercion events significantly more than any other male">The generally high status that females are able to obtain among bonobos, as well as female coalitions that form to protect against male violence, may reduce the prevalence of sexual coercion, but males with high-status mothers seem to be able to get away with it against more subordinate females.
its crazy how she says that and doesn't see how problematic
i laughed too when she pulled out the easily debunked bonobo matriarchy meme. the modern radfems really are like npc's.
You just know the radfem tradthots mind will blow up if she looks at history and finds out that men have been commiting serial killings, disgusting sex acts (but i thought it was socialization from porn how were those POOR men able to commit such sick acts without the use of porn since we all know men are the victims
of porn socialization, im being sarcastic by the way), polyamory and cheating(almost all male primates are polyamorists) ,punishing women for the mere fact that they are women, women throwing other women under the abuse for status since the creation of homo sapiens.
Also this retard wants to talk about socialization causing misogyny but it is actually socialization that saves women from being complete slaves, meanwhile its biology who wants us to be slaves to men and that one rare woman who is at the top. Society's that are far removed from socialization, language, and technology are far more sexist than any of the ones who do have them. Past tribes and tribes that still exist treat women in inhumane ways….but let me guess she is going to find a excuse for this too >uh no you have to go farther back there TOTALLY USED TO BE A MARTRIARCHY BACK IN THE DAY, I HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT BUT ITS ALL SOCIALIZATIONS FAULT, MALE SOCIALIZED WOMEN TO BE PICKMES EVEN FROM THE TIME WHEN HUMANS COULDNT SPEAK OR USE LANGUAGE.
You're thinking in absolutes and responding to multiple different anons, unhinged.
>Also this retard wants to talk about socialization causing misogyny but it is actually socialization that saves women from being complete slaves, meanwhile its biology who wants us to be slaves to men and that one rare woman who is at the top
I never said that socialization causes misogyny. I said women are socialized into being docile by moids, which they are. Moids are inherently fucked and males of all species are shit. I'm also not the Bonobo anon. I'm aware that males are walking timebombs that will assault every man woman and child if law ceased to exist. Even though moid designed patriachical institutions and ideology that barely protect women and children exist moids still get away with rape and murder and suffer few repercussions. I think all animal research should be taken with a grain of salt but in saying this it's clear that male cruelty is something that transcends species lines.
Compared to chimps, they're saints anyways. I thought it was interesting that at least in one relative to our species, there is at least an emphasis on female cooperation, regardless of whether it's sole purpose is for reproduction and is more matrilocal vs. matriarchal. It's rare to see in mammalian species in general.
I don't disagree with you, I'm just thinking about things.
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Because it opens the can of worms in biological differences between sexes, races, cultures etc., and I don't think any radfem could ever be prepared to talk about such things.
On the whole though, the first world was rapidly reducing it's violence in males from the early 1300s to the present. Sure, socialization played a part, but the largest driving factor was probably the fact that they continually executed their most violent criminals, year after year, for hundreds of years. This literally removed clusters of genes associated with criminality/anti social behaviors and essentially began a domestication process (what happened to the Romans).
As you can see homicide rates are going back up again, and it's likely because there's no real genetic punishment for murderers anymore. More often than not, they breed and pass on their genes. No amount of socialization is going to change that.
I find this thread very interesting, but I wish there was less shitting on women with different views. Neither radfems nor libfems have the power to silence you as men do, so what's the point of infighting?
Anyway, for me the path of learning about feminism went like this:
>women and men are socially equal
>there is no difference between women and men physically, except for the reproductive system
>actually women and men are not the same due to socialization, equality is a shill, women are superior to men
>oh, it turns out that women can't build the same strength as men
>biologically, a man is just a poor copy of a woman
>male socialization is the product of a biological abomination called the men's body, and it can never be fixed, only painted over
At this point I wonder just how much more do I have to unlearn in the future. It's like level by level: normie->libfem->radfem->doomfem. What's next?
epigenetics is basically just a word for the fact that gene essentialism / discrete genes is not actually a thing but a philosophical artefact from the past. >>11307
there's no way they have any meaningful/comparable data on medieval city murder rates. not to mention what is a murder is defined differently across place and time.
Even on 2X elsewhere there's radfems talking about essentialism. It's cool if you want to criticize them in general, but pretending they're all on a completely different page than you is just disingenuous and almost like you are grasping for an excuse to bash and strawman them. Moreover, almost by definition, the essentialism argument is radical.
Was the other nonny
right that this is some sort of fake feminist tumblr/tiktok discourse?
Also I never disagreed about the socialization part, but citing medieval data is a bit weird. Male violence was redirected at their wives - the abuse which was just accepted by society - with the institution of marriage becoming more all-encompassing as the centuries past. Without women to be scapegoats and lightning rods a lot of those genetically degenerate men are sperging out.
You should be directing your frustration at >>11307
, not me.
Been noticing a swing back into "soft era" and traditional gender roles-being provided for by a man on social media, in contrast to the individualism and bossbabe era.
This blackpills me because it makes me realize how much of a woman's goals is manipulated and brainwashed. Now that the women who grew up on social media are ready to have kids, the rhetoric online has shifted back to being family oriented and motherhood. We are slaves to biology and memetic desire all along.
I'm also getting more blackpilled because of how true the ugly feminist stereotype was for me. Spent all that time hating and fighting men, while the pretty and privileged girls who leaned into the patriarchy was richly rewarded with less stressful lives. Maybe the blackpill is learning to critically think for yourself. There is no sisterhood looking out for you. In fact, women benefit if other women are doing worse than them, are uglier or inferior in some way (eg. Higher body count), because this raises their own status and chances of survival. It benefits the selfish few to be aware of ideological rhetoric and their true intentions.
I just saw this one video that explained it pretty well https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4jKAgYL0gg
Though, I'm not saying men aren't unempathetic, horny, easily addicted creatures either. I think they are actually designed that way to serve their purpose (to be useful to women)
So much this. It's amazing how much women cape for men, I've NEVER seen men defending women the way women defend men. There are simps but they simply want to fuck certain women, I'm talking about defending everything from the morality of their behaviors to their politics and looks etc. Kek have men ever did for women as a class what women did for fags during the AIDS crisis? I don't think so. If AIDS magically affected mostly lesbians, men wouldn't give a fuck, they wouldn't take those lesbians home after their families disowned them, and if they did, only to molest and rape them.
And the thing with stuttering, I remember being like 17 and going to a newsagent's, I tried to say one sentence like 3 times and I was also very shy and the female owner told me I should get that fixed and talk lauder because I'm annoying. I was at the verge of tears at that moment, she would never say that shit to me if I was a guy.
She's a victim
, you dumbass. A lot of hypersexual women like that are child sex abuse survivors, 1/3 of women get sexually assaulted before they're 18. Stop looking down on a victim
and saying it's over. You're disgusting and I'd rather have her as my friend than you.
I never said she wasn't. I was a victim
of it too. I just wish they'd stop endorsing their behavior and convincing teen girls it's a great idea. You're very clearly making this about an unrelated issue you saw somewhere else. Do people even try to consider context anymore?
She wasn't convincing any teenage girl, you mentally ill freak, stop making up stuff and accusing random women of crimes they didn't commit. Get fucking help.
Imagine looking down on a woman who admits she was done things she didn't consent to. You're disgusting and I doubt you've ever had anything similar happen to you, otherwise you wouldn't be so unempathetic. It's obvious her acting like this helped her explore herself is a way for her to cope. You're absolutely disgusting.
Yeah because when you're a victim
no one is allowed to criticize you, you don't take responsibility for your actions as an adult etc.
Like I said, you didn't have context.
This is a woman I speak with every day. She tells me she literally endorses these things. She tells me that she doesn't regret any of the unenjoyable sex she had and that she literally encourages everyone to have as much unenjoyable sex as they want because she believes this is how you "learn to like it". I'm saying she endorses this because she told me she endorses this and she thinks it is weird that I don't.
Like, this is a real person I know and I'm telling you about her. I think you need to log off because your concept of reality is slipping.
Another blackpill I realized from other conversations I've had on similar topics is that although 1 in 8 women have experienced sexual abuse and all react differently to it, the hypersexual victim
seems to trump all others in terms of how valid
their coping methods are. The asexual and/or sex-averse victims
are often seen as childish and invalid and are constantly being told they need to get over it, even by other SA victims
. Or in my case, they're told they "just need to keep having sex with different men until they enjoy it". Part of me believes it's because the hypersexual victim
is at least seen as "useful" by misogynists.
Imagine competing about abuse and comparing yourself to other victims
to seem more "based". Get help, you're a worthless mentally ill loser. That woman didn't try to convinced anyone to fuck men or get abused but you're here putting down victims
and accusing them of grooming teenage girls just because they're not as "broken" as you.
Nta but your mentality of "every woman is a victim
" is retarded. I bet you're one of those women who would make excuses for mother who sold her own daughter to pimps for money or drugs because "she was also abused as a child". Ah yes, when I'm at it, even on lc I've seen women who said they wouldn't put in jail a woman who sold her daughter to a rapist if it was proven she was poor KEK. Another blackpill
Breaks my heart to see so many women waste their time on pointless shit. Makeup, beauty, dieting. If women put the effort they put into beautifying themselves into science, I swear we’d have cured cancer by now. I hate how patriarchy - including other women - distract women by mostly rewarding them for being hot, not for being accomplished, intelligent, creative, or anything that makes life better for other people. But of course, if you point out that women are encouraged to become experts in pointless shit like makeup, dieting, you get accused of misogyny. Even if you only like “feminine” things, you could learn to knit, spin thread, sew, garden, make pottery. But unfortunately being hot is still more high status for a woman than being a master craftsman, and so long as that’s the case, we will continue to see girls and women wasting their lives on how to make their nose look smaller, skin fairer, avoid anything that could cause wrinkles, and so on. And they’ll tell anyone who points this unfairness out that they’re the real antifeminists. Nobody dares to give up their hotness privilege even if it literally kills them.
The woman in question admitted she didn't enjoy any of the experiences which does make her a victim
. Anon is just mentally ill and trying to pretend some normie who got taken advantage of by men is brainwashing teen girls. Anon literally accused this random woman of tricking teenage girls into sexual abuse. >just wish they'd stop endorsing their behavior and convincing teen girls it's a great idea.
Indulging in unhealthy habits doesn't have to be enjoyable, doesn't automatically makes someone a victim
, and even if she was a victim
, which I don't believe, that still wouldn't excuse her poisoning other women with that unhealthy mindset.
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I'm always baffled by such comments. I just… can't grasp it. You just know she's going to buy her daughter those disgusting baby sized dolls and indoctrinate her since the young age
we're on lolcow, a site dedicated to laughing at and further ruining the lives of mentally ill people who are further damaging others by their refusal to take any responsibility for themselves. I think you also missed a key part of the puzzle here >>12540
You act like you know this woman nonna. Tell me, what's her name? Is she trying to convince you to have scary, unenjoyable sex with strangers too?
>>12591> You're lucky though, you're both probably too ugly so you don't know what it feels to be sexually harassed by men.
NTA but you sound mentally challenged. Imagine thinking getting dicked and getting (unwanted) attention from men is special. What you said is so gross.>>12597
Nah. Honestly, a lot of farmers sound like they came from the worst corners of reddit, twitter and kf. They're the common sort now. Libfem, radfem, whatever. It doesn't matter anymore.
Ik ik I’m posting the day after, but you’re just making up arguments as you go.
OP is 6 years younger than the noted millennial in question so by context, she is trying to advise the younger generation on sexual behaviour etc. Either way, she never said anything about consent, she’s coming from the “Women don’t need to orgasm” angle. These ideas exist in society without SA trauma. It’s shocking and funny because it is a useless narrative pushed by some sex positives. Anon cannot blame anyone for experiencing SA as nobody except you has even alluded to it. You may be too sensitive to this topic right now and overly defensive OR you’re a troll thinking he can get women to deny SA.
NEETs like you don't get sexually harassed because you don't even go outside. Sexual harassment isn't anything to brag about but you guys obviously are too sheltered.>>12605
OP accused her of brainwashing teen girls so unless OP is underaged, she's making stuff up.(sage your shit and quit infighting)
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Even women are misogynistic towards other women. I won't say I don't use the /snow/ threads or w/e but I don't hate anyone for misogynistic reasons, at least.
As someone who used to be in many different communities and that includes right-wing, it's very easy for me to tell what are conservatives trying to psy-op and false-flag as radfems and that is the most noticeable om Twitter.
Many extremely deranged "I am a starseed alien, anti-vaxx, Trump2024, traditional woman" people who have this on their bios will then go on to steal radfem talking points so they can use them against troons, these people who hate women will suddenly pretend to care slightly about women when it comes to troons.
There is a lot of right-wing people trying to assimilate into radfems and all I can say to the radfems is stay safe to not fall into the right-wing pipelines because it is one of the most horrible pipelines and people don't realize how easy it is to fall into them.
You can say you won't fall into them but as long as conservatives keep being allowed into the movement the easier it becomes. I literally went from only watching videos making fun of sjws or blm to more extreme stuff like Andrew anglins e-news site and other hate sites which I will not be mentioning by name.
Thank fuck someone else noticed that dogshit comment on the TIF thread, I feel like I was the only one who said something about it. I utterly despise the TIF thread but want to keep up to speed with the Audrey Hale thing while also getting womens perspectives here since it is such a freak anomaly of an event and here may be one of the few places online that women can speak honestly without censorship.>>12726
That isn't what the comment is arguing, you are being obtuse to only see that part. We're all in agreeance that troons are mentally ill. Its arguing that women climb over each other in a pathetic way for male approval in the "social hierarchy", and those girls who are lower on the rung will try to distinguish themselves by trooning out and becoming "cute boys" as a so called cope. Yes, you read that right, it is really that autistic.
Its TIM troon logic slapdashedly applied to women which quite frankly is not true since women will never be seen as equal to men in any capacity and women of all varieties go through trauma from moids at varying capacities. There is no hierarchy with women. Women are all seen as inferior to moids by moids by design. Its catty, "stay in your lane bitches", femcel misogyny at its best. Snow is full of casual misogyny like this and the TIF thread is a good example of such in an attempt to disguise misogyny as shitting on TIF troons. In saying this the Audrey Hale discussion is basically just anons shitting on autism and high functioning autistics ironically like cruel, EQ deficit, autistic moids.
I swear if this isn't written by a scrote I'm done. >>12736>Its catty, "stay in your lane bitches", femcel misogyny at its best.
Amen, anon. It's exactly that. The obsession with thinking that female trannies (and subsequently all GNC women) are trying to gain male approval and not because they're traumatized by misogyny to the point they'd opt out of femaleness altogether is the reason I blackpilled on GC feminism. Women are socialized to be too busy pecking at each other instead of trying to understand the psychology behind out decisions that trying to push feminism is an endless uphill battle. Anons might shrug it off as "it's not deep, we just laugh at retarded trannies" but writing posts like >>12724
isn't just a casual "lol lmao" but a full display of this mentioned femcel behavior, topped with the "just like how fat girls think they're hot shit because they have big tits!!!" spoken like an actual high school mean girl.
I would guess that they just fully believe that women who present masculine are trying to be better than them, they feel threatened over their existence because it makes them insecure about being feminine themselves or perhaps because they believe it to be infectious and soon they will be wearing jeans and flannel shirts with no makeup and boys won't like them anymore.
I'm rambling but I would really want to read a study about this because it's always mystified me how viscerally other women react to GNC ones. I've seen so many think pieces about women having fits about how "girly girls are looked down upon and tomboys are encouraged" when it's not true at all and what they often perceive as tomboys is just anyone who isn't extremely feminine, and above all they buy into the false belief that "if girly girls are hated, then tomboys must be loved" when neither type of women are respected and "tomboys" are expected to grow out of it by their prom night at latest.
I slightly agree with you anon but are you like forgetting the 90's and early 2000's when we had a whole epidemic of nlog pickmes who were obsessed with larping as skaters and tomboys and would shit on the preppy girls, pander to men about how they are so much cooler and understand the real them compare to those ''vapid sluts'', shit talking female friends and how they only hang around men because females are drama, objectifying women together with men because they are ''one of the boys'' etc etc. Media was also filled with bitter nlogs raging at the preppy girls.
This does not happen anymore but when people say things about tomboys or feminine women not getting along its probably because all of the media in the early 00's.
Feminism isn't a stupid rule book, it's a movement that says women are just as much as people as men therefore women should also be able to vote, work, divorce, get our own separate bank accounts and be protected you law when someone abuses us.
You're retarded if you get put off by feminism because some random women annoyed you. Women aren't perfect angels, we have flaws and some women are evil or stupid but that doesn't meam feminism is flawed as a whole.
This is retarded though. It’s the same tired & hypocritical appeal to nature and comparisons with other animals. If at least these people were consistent, they’d be advocating for a world where men have to compete between each other based on their physical strength and where they accept everything that’s ‘a nature’s thing’ (assault, murder, theft, racism, illnesses, abandoning the old and disabled etc), but they don’t. They want to live in a civilized world, they want rights and protections, they don’t want to have to (literally) fight to be given a job. They only refer back to nature vaguely when it’s time to explain why men are privileged over women in society, never to explain why tall men or bodybuilders should be privileged over manlets. Except trannies and their handmaidens, nobody denies that men are physically stronger and different than women (the nerve of calling it a hard-to-swallow pill lmao), but physical strength is irrelevant in civilized societies on the topic of rights & how people should be treated. Imagine confidently claiming ‘we can’t do much against nature sigh smh’ when humans are constantly inventing new ‘unnatural’ concepts and fighting nature on every aspect.
This. Saying "I'm put off by feminism because I have bad experiences with women" is like saying "I'm put off by anti-racism movements because I have bad experiences with black people". Like okay if you feel that way that's still something you should be working on to get over instead of dwelling on it or thinking that it's "valid
" to be "put off" by a movement ensuring the survival and human rights of a marginalized or oppressed group of people. The apathetic "I'm not a feminist because women in my life treated me badly" mindset is so poisonous and immature, even if we're in the blackpill thread it's still not something that women should ever live by because men will exploit it in a microsecond.
Lol you tried to win by using the race card but no it's valid
if someone is put off by anti racist movements too.
Like the black women who hate blm because it ignores black women and black female victims
and only focuses on male victims
who many times are criminals or hate black women. Those women are totally valid
in hating or not wanting to be a part of that movement or any other black rights movements.
And same goes for if a woman doesn't want anything to do with feminism. You can still care about yours and other women's rights while not wanting anything to do with the shithole which is all forms of feminism. It's valid
BLM is a single organization, not the entire idea of anti-racism.
>You can still care about yours and other women's rights while not wanting anything to do with the shithole which is all forms of feminism.
Kek, what exactly do you think feminism is to hate "all forms of it"? I hope you'll hate it even when feminists reach benefits you'll take advantage of as well, including your reproductive rights and workplace discrimination laws.
lol its so funny you say this because there are feminists who are pro-life (anti-abortion for the people too retarded to know what pro-life is) many feminists are also pickmes who pull the ''oh im not like those other man-hating feminists, im not a misandrists, i believe in rights for men and women'' card.
Look at your own movement dipshit, in the year 2023 it aint doing shit to help women or their ''reproduction'' lmao. Keep being rekt by more laws that will take your rights away.>>12867
Oh so you are one of the delusional ones, imagine not admitting that women compete with each other. One of the main feminist talking points since the beginning of feminism is that women shit on each other for male approval and now you are saying thats false, i guess you are going against feminism too by your logic.>>12889
first of all they pulled the race card first, second of all how they hell do you even know what race i am to make your assumption.
>>12893>imagine not admitting that women compete with each other.
You're the one who's competing with women, I've never had a woman compete with me unless she wanted the same job or education opportunity as me. You're a delusional newfag who's been posting her shitty autistic takes all over the site and the way yoi type your replies always gives you away.
You've never gone outside if you think normal women compete with one another on the daily for men, maybe low self esteem losers like you who think they're malebrained because they're autistic do compete for men's companionship but normal women don't.
Anon you sound just like Andrew tate>some women get pleasure from being used by men sexually, even if they don't reach orgasm.
This is literally incel way of thinking. Please get help, a lot of straight women won't be happy in situations where they don't receive pleasure.
They wouldn't be "happy" with them if they weren't financially secure with them. It's like a trade, "he secures me financially so I agree to get used as a fleshlight even though I don't cum from it". I see many straight relationships as prostitution and it's funny to me when someone is pro traditional marriage but against prostitution, when it's almost the same thing. I remember Ceres Revenge had some interesting videos on it and many women were autistically screeching in her comment section because they were too bluepilled to refute her arguments. Good times. >>12920
I said "some", not "all"
Nta but don't men in straight relationships pay for the bills and such? Especially if they're married.
Also the reason many women are trapped in abusive
relationships with men and "can't leave" is because they're financially dependent.
Most women earn as much as their husbands and share finances. Only incels think men have to pay for everything in a woman's life and therefore receive sex as a reward.
Most women can't leave abusive
relationships because they've been brainwashed and they're scared the abuse will get even worse if they try to leave. A lot of abusive
men kill their partners after the women break up with them or try to run away.
No that anon is right. I was in that situation due to shitty life I was forced to depend on men and it was
prostitution lite. Don’t be naive, there are a lot of women who end up depending on men at some point for some reason, whether it’s getting pregnant/becoming a SAHM and being unable to find work easily even later thanks to gaps, or just shitty life like health issues, or socialization. There is always the fear because most men will flip to abusers if you don’t want sex they will use finances as leverage against you and claim you owe it to them and if you hold out they will abuse you other ways or rape you. This is reality for plenty of women.
The only men who whine about it are men who aren't in relationships, nobody who doesn't live 24 h per day online or isn't an online contrarian personality cares about it. Men still earn more on average statistically, and I don't know a single case of a relationship when the guy doesn't earn more and doesn't pay for more shit >and how is not knowing the estate agent's number even an argument
The fact that they had nothing to do with getting the damn apartment they live in???? The most basic thing. Their men found the estate agents, they contacted them, they wrote a motivational letter etc. I know even a case where the woman hasn't even seen the apartment before the guy took it. Same with cars. The men also do their taxes.
>>12960>I don't know a single case of a relationship when the guy doesn't earn more and doesn't pay for more shit
Also most women buy their houses, cars and pay taxes on their own. You really do sound like an incel and your hatred for women and tendency to call us prostitutes only further that.> who doesn't live 24 h per day online or isn't an online contrarian personality cares about it.
To be honest you seem to be chronically online in incel spaces yourself because nowhere else would it be a common belief that women can't buy or rent houses or do tax on their own.
Lol where? Definitely not in my country and I bet that it's not like that in the majority of Europe, maybe it's different in burgerland. Like they just don't earn enough money to buy their own houses and cars you retard lol. It's definitely not common. Not impossible but not a common thing.
And I just said I personally don't know a single case of a woman who does those things without her man, and I lived and worked in two different european countries. It's just that what I see around me perfectly matches what blackpill feminists say. Stop calling me an incel just because you can't cope with women choosing the easy route of living with a man instead of choosing a separatist lifestyle and me calling them out for it. My life would've been so much easier with a scrote, both financially and in terms of renting apartments and houses because it's much easier for couples than for example friends to rent an apartment in my town. Doctors will literally take you more seriously if you come with your male partner. As a scrote- and child- free person, I will always be at a societal disadvantage, especially past a certain age. You can be childless but if at least you have a male partner, you will still receive better treatment. And yet I choose this life because I walk the walk, and I'm faithful to my ideals, unlike most ratfems. Also when I think I would have to have sex with the scrote just to get those things, it makes me sick. Imagine if these women got ill and couldn't give them sex, how much of their "happy" relationships would end because of that? You know that in a case of cancer diagnosis men leave women 8 times more often than vice versa kek. If someone lives with you mainly because you give them sex, and you receive certain goods for that life, you're basically a prostitute
>>12960>Their men found the estate agents, they contacted them, they wrote a motivational letter etc.
You understand that when you live with someone, regardless of that person's sex, together you earn more money and you share tasks? If a man earns more, it makes sense that he would be the one proving his financial situation and writing a letter. Doesn't mean that women can't do it on their own, and doesn't change the fact that most women do more than their husbands on the daily. I don't know how you can deny that especially if you live in a country where things are still quite traditional. So the husband signs a contract once but who deals with appointments the rest of the time? Who takes care of the children? Who cooks, cleans, knows where to buy stuff, makes sure to buy it in time? Also the tax thing is definitely cultural, it's untrue in my country and there are countries where traditionally women are the ones handling finances.>>12976>women choosing the easy route of living with a man instead of choosing a separatist lifestyle
(NTA) Radfems and especially separatist ones are extremely rare. You're acting like other women are not faithful to their ideals but it's yours not theirs. You seem unhappy with your own choices to the point where you think dating is easier and done purely for money, when most people date for affection/company/sharing their lives with someone and one day having children. And most women are heterosexual, they're not pretending to be into men to benefit from their privilege. Because yes your examples (men being taken more seriously etc) are just pointing out privilege. Calling women prostitutes sounds like a cope for the fact that you believe you're at a disadvantage, but women who choose to stay single usually think exactly the opposite, that not having to care for a scrote (and children) is how you live happier and longer. If you're disadvantaged because your country is super sexist it's still not other women's fault.
>>12983>So the husband signs a contract once but who deals with appointments the rest of the time?
Well from the examples from my personal circles it's also the scrotes so lol. Some men even deal with their gfs doctor appoinments for fucks sake>Who cooks, cleans
They both do it. The thing is, those guys could have the house and car without women, but those women wouldn't be able to afford that stuff without their men. I had women literally telling me this so don't imply I'm making shit up and I don't know what I'm talkin about. I still don't see how is that not prostitution >You seem unhappy with your own choices
I was very happy with my choices until I had to move to another country for work and I saw how much easier it is for women in couples and how hard it is for single women, and I don't mean only myself, my single female coworkers struggle with the same shit. It's pathetic, either struggle in life or get a scrote who will give you most things, but only in exchange for sex and pretending you care about his interests. Many of the couples I know don't even have mutual hobbies or interests. Besides eating together, fucking and seeing their parents on the weekend they don't share activities together. But in the end, they get what they both want out of it. He gets sex, she gets material security and more serious treatment due to being in a relationship with a man. That's called "love" in a heterosexual relationships. Some of them don't even care their scrotes fucked prostitutes in their past and gave them STDs, they still provide for them and that's the most important thing. I have the holy right to judge them because they support the patriarchy by choosing shitty scrotes (and that's a given because the wast majority of scrotes are shitty, and there isn't enough "good men" for all women, so most women have shitty men by default) and they will continue to support it by then giving them children, sons especially, and resources. This is a blackpill thread. We think most men suck. So why isn't it ok to judge the women who choose those shitty men? Why is it bad to hold women accountable? I do feel miserable, but not just because I see how much easier it is for them, materially. It'd also because I know I will never be able to connect in any way with the majority of women, because of the mere fact they share their lives with scrotes who are shit by default.
I will remember your super insightful post when another female coworker tells me her vagina hurts from sex but her boyfriend loved the sex so it was worth it.
Nta but sexism is women's fault too. They support men so they support the patriarchy but indirectly. It would be accurate to say they're enablers.
The women who don't are a minority sadly.
So you live in a country where men provide for their wives, do their wives' taxes, take appointments for them, and share the cooking and the cleaning with them? Sounds fantastic. But then you say that where you live women struggle if they don't have a scrote, they're literally accepting STDs and painful sex because without it their pay is too shitty to live on their own. Why are men doing so much in a country where women can barely live on their own? Usually men do more in countries where women can be independent, because they know that their girlfriend will dip if they don't do shit. I'm not saying you're making stuff up, but your country just isn't representative of others. You said yourself you became unhappy after moving there. You're trying to disprove/reject all my points by bringing up your own and your friends/coworkers' experiences, but my and my friends' experiences are completely different (happily living alone, or living with a man that isn't providing everything in exchange for sex) so what now? You can't generalize that most women accept painful sex for money, it's much more likely to happen in countries where women barely have rights or equal pay, and the more women are educated and independent the less they accept bottom of the barrel scrotes, which is why in Western countries there are studies/articles about the poor men dealing with loneliness and not dating, and the selfish women staying single or childfree more. Even in conservative countries like Japan, women marry and have children later in life now that they can have their own careers.
I agreed with everything You said until
>You seem unhappy with your own choices to the point where you think dating is easier and done purely for money, when most people date for affection/company/sharing their lives with someone and one day having children.
You can't make this call. For a Blackpill thread you sure are positive assuming moids especially will date women for their companionship.
>And most women are heterosexual, they're not pretending to be into men to benefit from their privilege.
You also can't make this call. Many issues of feminism and sexual orientation, gender roles come down to the ecological fallacy, it is difficult to distinguish if women choose their partners based on real attraction or heavily slanted social pressures. Ultimately both factors are at play and neither cancel out the other.
>Because yes your examples (men being taken more seriously etc) are just pointing out privilege. Calling women prostitutes sounds like a cope for the fact that you believe you're at a disadvantage, but women who choose to stay single usually think exactly the opposite, that not having to care for a scrote (and children) is how you live happier and longer.
Again you can't make this call, and as much as I agree with you over the anon replied to your random attack on them as there are laws that directly de-incentivise singleness. Life in general is harder for a single income but married couples are taxed less then single persons. Single women and moids are discriminated, this isn't a meme this is reality governments will punish you if you do not breed and create more sources of tax revenue. There is also the argument of people without children having to pay for schools, and the like which is debated topic but not seen as an option to the government. As the world is against you if you choose to be single, even single moids are discriminated in this way, far less and harshly then women but this goes to show it bucks the infinite accumulation of wealth and power, this system that governments are set up to extract from people.
>If you're disadvantaged because your country is super sexist it's still not other women's fault.
Isn't this the feminism blackpill thread? I would assume everyone here is acutely aware of the far reaching influence of patriarchy, if you're willing to share what country you're from that bucks this near universal, inescapable trend that would be nice. Other women are not to blame for single people especially single women being fucked over; society is. Moid coded laws that seek to punish women for not brood maring themselves, but also punish poorer women for brood maring too much and not being a good source of tax revenue. How you seem to have read that anons comment as an attack on other women is some bizarre pickme shit. No one's blaming other women for single people being discriminated and seeing that anon as complaining about genuine discrimination as catty bitching at married/with children women is peak highschool catty drama pickme shit.
>>12990>For a Blackpill thread you sure are positive assuming moids especially will date women for their companionship.
I was just disagreeing with the idea that women date men purely for money and that men gain nothing besides sex. "Companionship" is not the right word but men sure are aware that their quality of life improve when they share it with a woman.>Other women are not to blame for single people especially single women being fucked over; society is.
Yes, my point was precisely that women can't be blamed for how laws or unequal pay put them at a disadvantage if they're single.>How you seem to have read that anons comment as an attack on other women is some bizarre pickme shit.
Are you serious? Because calling women prostitutes unfaithful to their ideals and accepting painful sex for money is not bizarre pickme shit? If from the first post anon had just say "single people are discriminated against" and "men are taken more seriously", she wouldn't have been called a scrote by other anons and this discussion would not have happened, but I guess it just doesn't sound controversial enough and it's just something all anons even outside the blackpill thread would have agreed on.
So women are not at all
responsible for the system we live in? Not in the slightest? We have literally zero agency? We are economically forced to be with men in literally every country? If most women in western countries stopped dating scrotes and formed communes they would not only be safer but also make patriarchal structures like nuclear family and het relationships weaker. But that's too much of a hassle. What about my image? What about what my family, including my daddy and big bros, would think of me??? It's better to lie down and present your holes to the male and make him a meal from time to time and you will get instant material gratification and social benefit
you are mentally ill. biological reproduction i a completely neutral thing. it doesn't have any inherent values attached to it, unless you give it to it. you personally are placing a meaning to a natural thing that isn't there.
you are mentally ill and the way you talk about women is unhinged. "lay down and present their holes", you have male like thinking patterns, you are male identified in your behavior.
>>13035>nature is literally evil
no it isn't it's just nature. cancer is a shitty thing but people with cancer aren't inherently embarrassing inferior beings because they have cancer, you get me. just because males rape that doesn't mean that the victims
of said rape are inherently bad or inferior for being victims
of it. just because males view female biology as embarrassing and inferior doesn't make it true. also, when it comes to human reproduction, rape isn't necessary for human babies to be conceived. it is entirely possible to have heterosexual intercourse without it killing the women or harming their health so it's not really comparable to cancer.
you have internalized the male view of womanhood. this isn't women's problem or a problem with being female.
Women's "role" has been restricted to wife & mother with no/less rights and no/less education than men since the dawn of time, it's still the case in most countries, but you expect that in the countries where they have had equal rights for a few decades
, they would have changed society into a separatist one and forgotten all brainwashing/gender roles? You are delusional, and you are much stricter with women than with men, because even men didn't change society and make progress (for themselves) that fast, they remained peasants and cannon fodder for centuries. You probably agree with moids that the reason there are still many male-dominated industries is because women are braindead and should stick to "women's jobs". Again, the fact that more and more women are staying childfree and scrotefree longer or forever in developed countries, or even just having higher standards, getting an education and wanting to be independent etc., is already progress. Congrats on not sucking men's dicks IRL, the next step is to not suck their dicks mentally by thinking that women are doing worse than them for no reason.
You didn't really refute my point that calling anything that's natural "neutral", just because it's natural, is dumb.
Also, in my opinion being penetrated with a tool that puts a parasite in you that can at worst kill you and at best literally make you dumber by killing the gray matter in your brain, is bad. Bringing more people into existence is also bad. Stop telling me I have "male" mindset when scrotes think reproduction is great, while I think it's evil and disgusting. >>13038
Literally, what forces you to be with a man and have children with him in a western country? What forces most women in western countries to do it? Stop using past as an excuse.
>>13028>why do you all use insults for women?
It's only one mentally ill samefagging femcel who's doing this. More than half of the posts in this thread are made by her and she probably made this thread herself since I saw her post similar takes in /ot/ which got her redtexted a few times before this thread magically popped up and got filled with the same takes anon got banned for.>>13062>is this thread for failed FTMs now?
Yeah, them and probably the poorly larping incels those FTMs brought in.
To be clear, I think both male and female biology is disgusting. It's just that physically the one being penetrated has less power that the one who penetrates. Being penetrated can also hurt potentially, but penetrating someone doesn't hurt etc. We're more vulnerable during sex, we risk getting cervix cancer from sex, we risk pregnancy etc. Moids don't have to worry about anything. You have millions of women pumping themselves with hormones that can cause cancer just so their moids can fuck them without worry. This is so sad and pathetic>>13066
Nice try schizo. It's so hard to accept there's more than 1 person with similar ideas so you accuse me of samefagging. I'm not ftm. Women Icemountainfire, Black obsidian, Sekhmet she owl, Ceres Revenge, they wrote or recorded videos about blackpill shit long before you started posting here. I bet they're also ftms or men kek
I was going to say this, I find nature anons argument of nature/natural things being inherently neutral bizarre. Their strange apples to oranges comparison of rape and cancer victims
is some stupid shit.>>13034
Obviously womens biology and their bodies aren't inherently shameful by nature, but I won't question a woman's opinion about her own body. In saying this, it's nigh impossible to divorce womens bodies from heterosexual sex roles, subjugation as well as degradation and dehumanization due to hundreds of years of unchallenged moid psyops. So it comes to no surprise that some women would be disgusted by a harmful act like heterosexual penetrative sex.
Many women still want
children (the pressure to have children still exist though, it's presented as the "normal" fulfilling path in life, especially in conservative/religious families). Is this really what the blackpill is, wondering why Western countries didn't stop reproducing entirely as soon as women got the right to have their own bank accounts, and claiming that it's irrefutable proof that the status of women will never improve further? Deep. Truly enlightening.>>13072
Why are you calling the children that women conceive almost entirely "[men's] children"? Even for CF women this is ridiculous. You just internalized trad moids and redpillers' view of women and came to a slightly different conclusion. It's hilarious imagining how society should have looked adding up all the things that you (and the anons agreeing) say. So, women's communes and no children. I sure hope that in your daily life you rely entirely on women your age or older.
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>>13088>I sure hope that in your daily life you rely entirely on women your age or older.
AYRT kek, Are you gonna call us all crazy cat ladies next? I would love a future in which I only depend on women, and I already currently live a separatist life. You make it sound like a female-only lifestyle is completely unrealistic when that couldn't be further from the truth. Why would I want men to look after me anyway, when they wouldn't even want to or do well in the first place? At your core, you and other women with this anti-separatist mindset are just making excuses to keep men in your lives. What the hell did you think went on in Matriarchal societies, before men killed, raped, and destroyed them? >It's hilarious imagining how society should have looked adding up all the things that you (and the anons agreeing) say. So, women's communes and no children.
Yes…? I find it particularly funny how bent you are on trying to paint a picture where we "need" men and children, or how societies without them are something to laugh at, when that's really just feminist praxis. Picrel makes you and other Western scrote sympathizers look pathetic. I'm convinced only Asian/non-Western feminists actually give a damn about women, since they're the only ones who actually center them in their feminist movements.
Maybe read the discussion again, nobody is against taking steps in that direction, it's just ridiculous to expect women to have already built a scroteless and childless society a few decades after they barely obtained equal rights. Having realistic expectations is not being a "scrote sympathizer", talking about women the way moids do is more like it. Again, even men haven't reformed society that fast despite facing less obstacles and despite aiming for much easier reforms. Because a society where half the population and new generations are completely
useless is a society with advanced technology where women have had the time to repair all the damage done, how can we seriously blame women as a whole for not having reached that stage yet? The fact that the vast majority of women seek to be educated and independent (in the countries where they can) rather than choosing the supposedly "easier" lifestyle of relying entirely on a scrote, and the fact that women make less children in developed countries, is already a step in the right direction, but anons prefer talking about "women presenting their holes" than admitting that.
to add that you use Korea as an example because it's true that they have great feminist movements there but they also have insane beauty standards that a lot of women perpetuate by getting surgery and starving themselves, and many women in East Asia still choose to live a more "traditional" lifestyle than women in the West. Is it a good reason to insult them instead of focusing on the positive like you're doing?
should read the discussion again. I don't think anyone here was talking about this nonexistent perfect childless/scroteless utopia, we're simply talking about living lives away from men as much as possible. You're being purposefully obtuse. It's unrealistic to expect not to see a man in a grocery store, yes, or to expect not to have to interact with any men at your job, but not dating men and not having casual sex with them is perfectly within our capabilities. And yes before anyone says it, childbrides and those in third world countries are the exception to this statement.>The fact that the vast majority of women seek to be educated and independent (in the countries where they can) rather than choosing the supposedly "easier" lifestyle of relying entirely on a scrote, and the fact that women make less children in developed countries, is already a step in the right direction
Nobody's saying it isn't? >many women in East Asia still choose to live a more "traditional" lifestyle than women in the West. Is it a good reason to insult them instead of focusing on the positive like you're doing?
I didn't mention anything about the average Asian woman living a "traditional" lifestyle, I was "focusing on the positive" of the feminists over there in specific. My point was that for the women who self identify as feminist, there's a world of difference between Eastern feminists vs. Western feminists. South Korean and Chinese feminists are practicing 6B4T meanwhile American "feminists" cape for their Nigels and cry over the idea of women living a life separate to men. That's what I was saying. It's a little embarrassing to watch you make these grand conclusions over things that weren't even mentioned… hopefully he texts you back soon.
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>>13097>It's unrealistic to expect not to see a man in a grocery store, yes, or to expect not to have to interact with any men at your job, but not dating men and not having casual sex with them is perfectly within our capabilities.
I want to believe hetero women can do this anon, but even mentioning female separatism to hetero women has them terrified of abandoning their Nigels it's inconceivable (picrel). I've tried stoking some conversation in the ex radfem thread but it devolves into name calling, and "what are you actually doing for women?", dick measuring (or rather tit measuring) "why aren't you volunteering at a womans shelter at this very moment?", Shit. The same boring "there's starving children in Africa" fallacy. Needless to say there are no real counterpoints to the question of female seperatism and by default it's unconscious in lesbian women. I've not yet seen an argument against this and the responses I have seen had very little critical thought applied with a heaping dose of immature catty shit, pulling the whole "you're actually the real misogynist for not letting me marry my Nigel", shit.
There's been discussion in this thread about whether other moid sympathizing women are to blame for the failure of radfem/female seperatism but I'd argue it's more a general lack of critical thinking applied by these women possibly dulled by a lifetime of retarded male brainwashing and psyops, as I've yet to see any decent argument against female seperatism.>>13104
Not female biology, the false comparison was cancer to rape victims
but they confused the analogy with moids being disgusted by female bodies which I would agree because moids are all secretly massive fags. Women however may or may not be disgusted by their bodies. Many women have dysphoria issues due to moid dominated media tearing girls down. It's not unusual if women experience shame from Madonna whore shit moids have made but the solution isn't to perfectly become a Madonna of a married woman owned by one moid, or a whore of a libfem trainwreck.>>13106>there is nothing inherently bad about having children
Nta but I'd argue down syndrome and schizophrenic children aren't ideal and it's inherently bad to bring people into the world with these conditions. Barring the most obvious terrible genetic disorders aside there is a discussion to be had what the intrinsic value of life means to people and I won't speak for others on this. I will only voice my own opinion. I do find it ironic that you even mention schizo as a catch all insult but fail to see how a schizo would fit into the antenatal/CF thought
>you are just mentally ill and let your mental illness dictate way you see the world and life.
Sounds like you may actually have undiagnosed autism anon if you fail to see why bringing a severely disabled person into the world is harmless. I agree that life is not a necessarily bad thing I wouldn't identify with CF philosophy entirely, but it certainly isn't a blindly positive thing either.
what are you talking about?? people aren't inherently born retarded or mentally ill, thus, it isn't inherently bad to have children. do you know what inherently means? do you understand what i am saying, that while there might be some problems with having children, it isn't automatically evil?
>Sounds like you may actually have undiagnosed autism anon if you fail to see why bringing a severely disabled person into the world is harmless.
like what is this? where did this come from? are you insane? who are you talking with?
This post made me think of unironic posts like >>12938
where moids must "get the their shit together" so they can earn the right to use their flesh light and sole prostitute fair and square. Imagine being so far gone that you see yourself as a reward to be consumed and "earned" by the opposite sex, absolutely bleak. The state of hetero moid sympathizing women. Bonus points for throwing prostitutes under the bus but also defending them over the majority of ordinary women as they apparently matter more than the perception of how all women, girls and children are seen as potential prostitutes, less than human sex objects to be abused, raped and spat on In part because of them. Moids will always moid but women are redeemable and can do better, many simply choose not to.
I'm also sick of prostitutes being painted as innocent victims
, I understand they are victims
of circumstance often but many are simply not and they are painted as if there isn't an entire plethora of pickme hetero women poisoning girls and women with their disregard for their own gender and incessent normalization of degrading, dehumanizing shit on top of their coddling and praising of rape and rapists. Comments like this baffle me, how is there no hint of irony here? In essence its basically "You're against black market prostitution? We only do proper licensed, single form, married prostitution here".
Yeah… Anon sounds like an r/FDS user.
It's not the same as prostitution on the street but it's comparable to having a sugar daddy. Lol
>>13108>even mentioning female separatism to hetero women has them terrified of abandoning their Nigels it's inconceivable
This is why I almost regret wasting my time trying to talk about it with OSAs. 99% of radical feminists simply use radfeminism as a way to vent about their boyfriends being shit people, but when it comes to actual feminism, they couldn't give a fuck less. They like to say that women don't need men, and that they're girlbosses and super empowered, but then turn around and cry and whine and throw a fit if you dare suggest that, yeah, women actually DON'T need men, and consciously make the decision to be with them. Non-WGTOW OSAs don't desire liberation enough to actually liberate themselves.>Needless to say there are no real counterpoints to the question of female seperatism and by default it's unconscious in lesbian women
At this point, I make an effort to only surround myself with lesbians for this exact reason. They're the only ones who make the decision to center women because it comes to them naturally, meanwhile OSAs have to decide that themselves, and men are always more important to them and always will be. You're right also, when you mention how they never have any points against separatism. It's because there are no real downsides, they simply can't relinquish cock.
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Absolute imbiciles, you cant understand neither biology, nor basic logic kek. Its pretty pathetic seeing you trying to say shit about epigenetics, i mean do you even know how to promounce that word? All those posts sound just like typical scrote "we dont live in patriarchy because women live longer and are murdered less often CHECKMATE FEMINISTS" rage. The reason why mother bonobos use their sons to forcibly impregnate lower ranking females is for power games and the reason why they conseal their estrus is to conseal their periods of vulnerability. It's fairly obvious that forced pregnancy is objectivly bad for females. Well, it would remain the same in a matriarchy too. Men restrict sexual access to females of lower ranking males all the time, even though the entire point of patriarchy is to make females permanently sexually available to them. Likewise, lack of systemic sexual violence against females as a class doesnt prevent forced impregnation from existing and being used for different purposes such as violence against lower ranking individuals. I thought it was a nihilist job to assume the worst of people, including women.
Also how come its always matriarchy thats given draconian standarts to qualify as one? You have bajilion patriarchies that treat their male population as disposable meat en masse and have female gods as heads of pantheon, but the moment a matriarchy deviates even a bit from female paradise its basically not real anymore.
You sound just like children with your black&white thinking and unrealistic expectations towards women (mommies). Little retarded children, who cant even write properly. We also seem to have quite a silvertongue here. "Ratfems", ay? Prepare to be called names too, blackpeed """feminists""".>>13111
is right this thread reeks of 4choid tourists and (imo) pakistan. The latter have completely given up on trying to change anything, internalized the status quo and project this hollow state on some random shit like "epigenetics" (kek) as a defence mechanism. Tbh these faggots deserve a personal /snow/ thread.
I dont know if they have some kind of den rn, but back then there were some of those on saidit, who then migrated to pinkpill.co. Funny shit was that their founder - some k9292938 motherfucker turned out to be a fucking moid. Quite a face of the movement omegalul.
nta the 111 anon but I can also confirm I've seen moids and troons elsewhere admit to the same. I don't want to be another "no true woman would…" nonny
though it really sucks when I get a bad vibe from someone and there's really no way to verify, and I'm too much of a retard to make a good argument.
>>13097>Nobody's saying it isn't?
If it is, why are anons talking about these women like they're braindead & prostitutes? You're bringing up feminists now, but the original argument wasn't about feminist movements, it was about women as a whole. Most women don't even identify strongly with specific feminist movements, they will agree to be feminists if you ask them because they believe in "equal rights & opportunities". What's the difference between 4B existing in South Korea and blackpill/separatist radfems existing in the West? The article mentioned in the pic you posted says that the 4B movement is estimated to have between under 5k and 50k adherents, surely it's not all South Korean feminists. No matter the country and the culture, it takes time. In the West, children are still taught gender and libfem bullshit at school. Anons' reasoning clearly was that in a few decades, most women should have peaked and jumped to a separatist lifestyle, but they didn't so (insert any redpiller talk about the female psyche). So yes, keep the bottom-tier comebacks about me coming, surely it will make up for your retarded expectations and arguments.
>>13146>surely it's not all South Korean feminists
It literally is, kek. South Korean misogyny is different to misogyny in the west to the extent that the only feminist movement is radical. There is no space for liberal/non-radical feminism. t. Korean.
>surely it will make up for your retarded expectations
And what exactly are these retarded expectations? You tried previously to make it out like I expected women to have already created an entire society away from men and children, but I already said that I didn't expect that. My only "expectations" or desires for the future of women is for us all to collectively stop ACTIVELY involving ourselves with men. To stop dating them and having their children whom they won't even take care of anyway. Even then, I don't actually expect that, because I know women will never be able to let go of men. They just don't want to, and they'll keep making excuses forever and purposefully missing the point, like you.
>>13131>99% of radical feminists use radfeminism as a way to vent about their boyfriends, but when it comes to actual feminism, they couldn't give a fuck less. They like to say that women don't need men, and that they're girlbosses and super empowered, but then turn around and cry and whine and throw a fit if you dare suggest that, yeah, women actually DON'T need men
exactly, the cognitive dissonance is insane. So you want asspats from us real feminists when you vent about your nigel but won't put any effort into the movement yourself. I've seen weak ass online "radfems" claim that even ditching makeup is "too much to ask" because "it's so hard to unlearn." Yeah, shit for brains, it is. Now put the work in. Stop expecting actual feminists to tell you you're soooooo valid
for continuing to do the same shit any other women does at the expense of women as a class because "it's hard" not to. Spineless fuckers.
And then they'll say "so you're EXLUDING the majority of women from feminism, huh? not very feminist of you!" as if we're trying to bar them from receiving the benefits of feminism when no, we're just saying you can't refuse to do all basic forms of feminist resistance and claim to be a speaker for the movement. When your nigel beats you half to death we will still be the ones to care for you and get you on your feet again.
Well, I agree with everything you said. I think we're on the same wavelength, I just sympathize with blackpill (I assume you meant blackpill, not redpill) anons more. It's like what >>13150
said. I think if you can get past the harsh language anons used, blackpill is really just a matter of being frustrated towards non-feminists calling themselves feminists/radical and latching onto our movement so they can reap the benefits that they put no effort in sowing. I don't expect the majority of the female populace to practice separatism, or to even really know what it is, but for self identified radical feminists who do know, it's absolutely pathetic that they make every excuse in the book to stay with their Nigel, and that's basically all of them right now. Our only hope is OSA WGTOW and lesbian communities who know better and decidedly act on their feminist morals, but the population and presence of those groups is so infinitesimal that it's hard to think positively about the future. Change starts with us, but so few women actually dare to try.
You've brought nothing to the table as much as the anon sperging about how moids need to "earn" their access to a fleshlight, FDS anon. How bleak is it to be incapable of imagining a relationship with a moid without sex? Even dating as you brought up. Is it so impossible to imagine dating without sex? You claim I have internalized misogyngy but you're incapable of this thought as a result of moid brainwashing. Imagine a world with deep intimate relationships without turning one partner into a subhuman fleshlight. It's just not relatable with other women, thank you for proving my point that the vast majority of hetero moid defending women are beyond help and are always holding out hope that nigel won't beat them, and pump and dump them after a special date.
>refers to women as fleshlight
In this context they are. You've demonstrated this. I won't pull punches, if women deem themselves meat they will be perceived as meat, especially by moids. Dating shouldn't automatically mean sex, neither should intimate relationships yet here we are; you defending that women shouldn't be seen as fleshlights while also paradoxically claiming hetero women enjoy degrading, dehumanizing sex with moids. Implying sex comes with dating as a given is already incredibly bleak. If you are the OP anon you should be reminded that no one "earns" the right to someone's body and agency, and this mentality is not normal, it's that of a rapist. Sex is not a expectation, defending this and prostitution is dystopian and cruel. I won't blindly call you a retard for believing it, I will use actual words that describe it.
>entire argument relies on the assumption that women do not like sex
Firstly, we are speaking of hetero women not women; you do not speak for all of us and yes, they don't. That's not my opinion nor mine to judge as an individual but the objective reality of what heterosexual women are saying. According to stats most women don't like heterosexual sex and don't gain anything from it. Most straight women don't seem to enjoy sex and who could blame them? Look at what moids think of them in porn, look at the total shit show het sex is for women, look at what they are reduced to. Anyone claiming hetero women love sex is a massive pickme and a bold face liar. The stats just don't back this up and coping about this is beyond pathetic. Moids are aroused by women hating sex, why would you defend this miniscule caveat to the detriment of the silent majority. I'm tired of this empty baseless argument that one prostitute, one porn star enjoyed being assaulted so all women should therefore enjoy this, as stupid as moid sympathizing, libfem hetero women often are with sex it's inhuman and even they know it to some extent. Claiming hetero women enjoy sex is a lie, it's painting a picture that doesn't exist in reality with the psyop goal of desensitizing women to males rape.
>"you're throwing prostitutes under the bus!!" but the post is about how dangerous prostitution is, which is why it makes sense for women to be against it even if they happen to date
Fuck prostitutes. If you didn't read my comment I condemned the majority in developed countries. They are victims
undeniably but I don't pity them, to automatically assume that I pity and defend them is false. I'm not throwing prostitutes under the bus anon, they are crushed by the bus already by themselves, and moids. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of women caping for moids in order to justify rape. Hetero women that have relationships with moids are unpaid prostitutes, cry more. Come back with an actual argument instead of "you're a retard". Also kek at claiming that OSA and the few hetero women who seek to avoid moids all somehow have internalized misogyngy because they refuse to center males in their life and want to avoid moids, aren't normalizing a hetero sex-obsessed, brutal culture of painful sex and monogamous prostitution. Are lesbian women considered to harbor internalized misogyny too somehow? I can understand defending being sexually used if you're of highschool age, actually retarded or naive, but a grown woman defending monogamous prostitution is concerning.
>>13175>Implying sex comes with dating as a given is already incredibly bleak.
Spoken like a true polilez. Most people actually want to fuck the people they date. I'm a blackpill who thinks women shouldn't fuck or date moids, but statements like yours are incredibly dumb and make it sound like you don't understand how adult sexuality works. The related argument that "straight women don't enjoy sex anyway" is also a weak fucking argument because although lots of moids are shit in bed, women still enjoy sex, or at least want
to have enjoyable sex, because it's a basic human drive.
What I'm saying is pretending giving up sex and dating isn't a big deal you guise is counterproductive and makes women think, again, that blackpills/separatists are out of touch with reality. We need to acknowledge that yes, it's hard to give up those things. It will be a struggle. It is a sacrifice. But it is still necessary and worth it. Just like many other feminist endeavors. Acknowledging this is the kind of honesty I believe such a movement requires.
>>13175>>as a result of moid brainwashing
it's hilarious that on this thread where the few anons defending women get bombarded with "women have agency!!1!1", you are now claiming that straight women have sex purely due to brainwashing. i guess any argument goes as long as the conclusion can still be that straight women are whores who like being used. >>Is it so impossible to imagine dating without sex?
don't know why you insisted on this so much, nobody claimed that dating without sex is unimaginable, that's what people not into sex do but they're a minority>>Firstly, we are speaking of hetero women not women; you do not speak for all of us and yes, they don't.
kek so what is your argument exactly, only lesbians have a sex drive? nobody here is advocating for women to have forced or painful sex; nobody agrees with libfems acting like "kinks" and casual sex are good for women. the thing is that even if women say they have sex with men who care about their pleasure, you'll still claim that they're lying about it like the unpaid prostitutes they are, so why even pretend that you want to discuss this? but just in case, fyi you can advocate for separatism without claiming that (straight!!!) women aren't ever into any form of sexual intimacy, it'll be taken more seriously. >>claiming that OSA and the few hetero women who seek to avoid moids all somehow have internalized misogyny because they refuse to center males in their life
that's not the reason why i talked about internalized misogyny and you know it. don't play dumb if you don't want to be called a retard. you're literally using moids terms and even theories to describe women and their bodies. you can be a separatist without doing this, but i suppose it's just not as satisfying to ""discuss"" without insulting most women, and i'm sure you feel very justified in doing it. guess you have that in common with moids anon.
She already made it clear that she doesn't want to advocate or convince people to choose separatism or WGTOW, she doesn't care that women don't identify with her "acksually women hate sex and only do it because they're unpaid prostitutes" views and find them to be out of touch with reality. The only thing that matters is the feeling of superiority she gets from saying how weak willed other
women are for not choosing ideological abstinence, not even when she straight up calls them whores.
The people who have paranoid black and white extremist ideas like this are rarely to be trusted as the beacons of truth because they're reactive and lack adept understanding of the issue they're talking about. They will abandon all these ideas of separatism when a nicer Nigel gives them a crumb of attention and only come here to sperg and vent, not to converse.
>>13175>Implying sex comes with dating as a given is already incredibly bleak.
Other anons already said it but sex generally is an integral part of non-platonic adult relationships and most people look forward to it, straight or not straight. This actually is some sexual trauma-induced polilez line of thinking, the genuine delusion that sex is only
a tool for abuse and that it can never be enjoyable to a woman because most likely you personally either lack experience completely or have had a bad one.
>According to stats most women don't like heterosexual sex and don't gain anything from it.
Do present these stats, I'm waiting. Even if you use the with the famed orgasm statistic as a measuring stick for "gaining something out of it", 60+% of straight women still orgasm during sex. That's the majority. And even besides that not having an orgasm doesn't mean the experience isn't enjoyable in other ways. Women also masturbate less than men if they do at all, is that an indicator of female sexuality and bodies being traditionally controlled and denied or some chaste innate feature of women just being non-sexual beings? In native cultures that were more liberal about female sexuality it wasn't until Christian missionaries introduced their puritan ideas that their behavior changed.
>if women deem themselves meat they will be perceived as meat
And if you speak about women and female sexuality while using misogynist terminology and literally utilizing the madonna-whore dichotomy, then you will be perceived as a misogynist NLOG. Cry more, as the kids say.
Its not my responsibility to tell you a fact that already is well known and circulated amongst women >>13197
. But aside from the overt orgasm gap and general pleasure gap as orgasm is not the only indicator of gratification as anon mentioned, the labor gap, wage gap, child rearing gap and a multitude of gaps that women face, it is my opinion that relationships are not just to be used as sexual gratification. Generally what people stand to gain from them hetero or otherwise is companionship, love, intellectual stimulation, support and shared interests. Intimacy and closeness isn't synonymous with sex. I really should not have to voice this as bleak as it truly is. A partner is someone closer and more intimate than a family member, and friend. A partner is not a special friend you fuck. Sex is periphery to the simple experience of being with someone. I do not consider all sex blasphemy to the unhinged assuming so, but there's an obvious picture painted that hetero/bi woman stand to lose much from it. You can't pretend that hetero sex isn't inherently degrading and dehumanizing for women. Pleasure is auxiliary to this and what good even is pleasure if it comes at such a horrible cost? Call me a prude or virginal and other madonna whore shit for pointing out a very obvious elephant in the room, call me whatever you wish to spew back along with lesbophobic shit, hetero sex is degrading and men have solidified this through their actions, not me.
I am confused as to why you would pull me up for using misogynistic language when it is honesty. Of course this language is bleak, I feel it too but you can't ignore reality. This is the thought pattern of moids that is projected through porn and depictions of how they see women. To deny this reality is living in a fantasy world where mens pleasure is not centered, women are equally represented and catered to every sexual desire, women are not assaulted regularly over these depictions and men see women as more than sex objects when its very apparent that this is not true. You don't need to look far at porn, and how women are portrayed in media, along with the multitudes of horror stories from other women online and in person, my friends and family to see moids don't see women as people. I know everyone here is anti "kink" shit as I'd assume no one is retarded. I also didn't claim every hetero woman is a kinky libfem nlog who enjoys abuse, but only misguided and manipulated. I understand that some women pressured or otherwise will continue to defend this systematic discrimination, and some may even like being degraded as there are few depictions for those women to indulge in without being the center of male abuse. Brainwashed was maybe a strong word, I do believe women including hetero can center their pleasure but it is a uphill battle. In all a few nigels and women enjoying being dehumanized and degraded at the cost of their own understandable, human urges does not dispel this.
Your problem is that you believe that people here don't know all of these things and somehow choose to ignore them or pretend that they don't exist while nobody has done so. But like >>13203
said, you're acting like sex isn't something women can actually enjoy and feel so strongly about they wouldn't want to live a life of celibacy and that everyone who claims that it is is "a manipulated and misguided pickme who enjoys being degraded" which is inherently false. There's a trend of men being violent in bed and women not having their sexual desires catered to, that's one of the principles of like every feminist movement ever, but that's a huge leap in logic to go from that to "most straight women hate having sex but they're too busy sucking Nigel's dick to realize it". Two things can exist at once. 60+% of all straight women can orgasm during sex and love it as an important part of their relationship, while a notable percentage can also be pressured into sex by their worthless male partners who only focus on cumming in 20 seconds with no foreplay.
Usually the issue of female sex repulsion is trauma and our sexuality traditionally being controlled to the point we're told that it's "normal" not to like sex and we're never encouraged to explore what our bodies enjoy. According to statistics around the same amount of female-partnered women are dissatisfied in their sex life as heterosexual women (66% vs 68%). Are all those non-straight women also fleshlights and unpaid prostitutes or is there a larger issue of female sexual autonomy never being given to us?
Maybe because it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand? Kek. Can't debate against us on any actual discussion so you resort to calling us hikkineets. >>13234
Wanna share a source on that or?
Nta and not the og anon but she's probably right on that line as well. Most doomer separatists are single for the same reason they're jobless, they cant find anyone to date their mentally ill asses and they can't find anyone to hire their mentally ill asses.
Imagine one of these misogynistic ugly girls went on a date with a normal man and started telling him how women are prostitutes because of biology and that she only wanted him for money because straight men are sexual failures. Do you think she could find a mentally stable normal man who wouldn't leave upon hearing that stuff? Or if she went on a date with a lesbian and kept telling her how women are whore prostitutes, do you think it'd work out? I dont think so!>>13286
Feminism is about women in workplaces, in politics etc so it's actually on topic. You guys are the ones changing the topic from feminism, feminism isn't about calling other women prostitutes no matter how blackpilled you are. Calling other women prostitutes doesn't mean men will be less likely to sexually harass you or look down on you, although a lot of women try to be misogynistic to get mens approval and claim women are whore who are after men's money etc, in the end men will still hate women like you and your misogyny won't change that.
Even though you think you're superior to other women for being single and calling all other women whores, it won't make you immune to misogyny yourself. It only makes you feel better about yourself for a short amount of time, that's why you post so many times trying to argue how right you are, this is your only way of feeding your ego.
>>13296>Imagine one of these doomer separatists went on a date with a normal man and started telling him how women are prostitutes because of biology and that she only wanted him for money because straight men are sexual failures. Do you think she could find a mentally stable normal man who wouldn't leave upon hearing that stuff?
…do you not understand what separatists are kek? Why would we be going out with a moid? Also it's amazing how some of you claim to be feminists while slinging around the "ugly unmarried hag!!!" stereotype that antifeminists have been screeching about for literal centuries. So little self awareness and so many logical fallacies, such as:>doomer separatists are jobless, they cant find anyone to hire their mentally ill asses.
Again, hilarious baseless assertions that come across as pure cope beliefs. You need to believe that women who disagree with you are mentally broken social outcasts because it means you can write off everything they say as "insane ramblings from the mentally unwell" (something that antifeminists have been calling feminists for centuries. Starting to see a pattern?)
I actually got blackpilled in no small part due to the interactions I've had with men on the job, including sexual harassment, being talked down to, having credit for your work stolen, listening to misogynistic moid banter in the break rooms, etc, and I'd guess a lot of others are the same.
>>13296>Imagine one of these ugly girls went on a date with a man
"feminists are ugly women who are just angry they can't get a man!" >their mentally ill asses
"feminists are mentally unsound!">Even though you think you're superior to other women for being single
"feminists think they're better than us 'normal' women, they're woman hating!">>13224>They will abandon all these ideas of separatism when a nicer Nigel gives them a crumb of attention
"If feminists could get dicked down, maybe they'd shut up!"
Did this thread get dropped in a time machine? I'm not even trying to defend blackpills that call women degrading terms, but your criticisms are literally classically anti-feminist. I think you're latching onto the unsavory language instead of engaging with the underlying ideas because it's an easier straw man to destroy, and in the process are revealing your own antifeminist tendencies.
Experience, yes, because it happens all the fucking time. Look at all the radfems in radblr who got outed for being married with men despite acting like the grand manhater blackpill lesbian queen. Extremist black and white thinking is always based on some sort of a violent insecurity messing with their judgement and every "blackpilled" feminist seething with misogyny and arrogance I've met in my life has been a BPD-chan who switches sides when it's finally her turn to be picked. Nobody can ever convince me that their rage directed towards other women is based on genuine separatist thoughts and not some sort of a reaction to their own feelings of inadequacy. That's why I don't trust them on the issue of separatism and blackpill, how can you even advocate for separatism or a female-only future when you're so enthusiastic about attacking other women and clearly despise and look down on the majority of them with a complete lack of empathy and understanding? >>13300
Basically. Anons going around calling women dating men whores and unpaid prostitutes addicted to degrading themselves sounding nothing short of bitter lonely losers on a cope, and then going nuclear when it's turned back at them in the same vein is pathetic. Maybe it did strike a nerve, way beyond Nigel escapades I doubt they have a lot of female friends or any real life female contacts whatsoever since they base their delusions on cherrypicked clickbait they read in their chronically online echo chambers and worse yet, the twisted reality of porn as they even admit. Feeling powerless against men they choose to turn against other women because they're much more likely to incite a reaction giving them a faux sense of purpose. Sorry anons, I'm not being mean, I'm just ~addressing that elephant in the room~ and you ~need to face the facts~!
>>13305>Look at all the radfems in radblr who got outed for being married with men despite acting like the grand manhater blackpill lesbian queen>Nobody can ever convince me that their rage directed towards other women is based on genuine separatist thoughts and not some sort of a reaction to their own feelings of inadequacy.
Oh, okay. This is all making much more sense now. You're basing your perception of the entire concept of separatism on a few personal anecdotes from your time on fucking tumblr, kek, mixed with your own inability to imagine your life without a moid.
This next part is even funnier:>going nuclear when it's turned back at them in the same vein is pathetic
it's "going nuclear" to lay out point by point that every single argument you offered against blackpill/separatism is nearly a word for word anti-feminist talking point? …Ok.>I doubt they have a lot of female friends or any real life female contacts whatsoever since they base their delusions on cherrypicked clickbait they read in their chronically online echo chambers
You cannot possibly be making this argument in seriousness, right? You, who just admitted
all your hate for separatists comes from a few cherry picked examples from tumblr are now accusing separatists, who categorically prioritize on female relationships, of not having female friends due to being chronically online?
The thing that really sticks out to me about all your replies is that your go-to "argument" seems to be random unprovable claims such as "separatists have no jobs" "separatists have no friends" "separatists have no love life" "separatists are mentally ill", which again, are almost all anti-feminist rhetoric as well. I'd advise you to reflect on that. But I guess you probably won't since you've already decided "nobody can ever convince" you to think any deeper than that.
>>13301>"feminists are ugly women who are just angry they can't get a man!"
Nta but that wasn't about dating a man specifically, it was about dating anyone while claiming that you think most women are prostitutes. You say we should engage with the "underlying ideas", but most of the posts are about being NLOG. And most insults are directed at women as a whole which makes you wonder. That kind of behavior will often lead others to say you're insecure or upset, it's not specific to women or feminists.>>13306>You, who just admitted all your hate for separatists comes from a few cherry picked examples from tumblr are now accusing separatists, who categorically prioritize on female relationships, of not having female friends due to being chronically online?
Again nta but come on it's about blackpilled "feminists" who say degrading stuff about women, not about all separatists. And yes it does seem difficult for someone who think that OSA women are all dumb & men's fleshlights to have meaningful relationships with them at the same time.
>>13306>You're basing your perception of the entire concept of separatism on a few personal anecdotes from your time on fucking tumblr
And this "married women are unpaid prostitutes addicted to degradation" is a completely fair assessment that's based on material reality and not some warped perception caused by subjective personal experiences when you can't even refute any of the points anons above have made?
>it's "going nuclear" to lay out point by point that every single argument you offered against blackpill/separatism is nearly a word for word anti-feminist talking point? …Ok.
No, it's you not being able to take your own medicine. If you're going to refer to other women using incel-like lingo and classification then you can't complain for coming across as one.
>The thing that really sticks out to me about all your replies is that your go-to "argument" seems to be random unprovable claims such as "separatists have no jobs" "separatists have no friends" "separatists have no love life" "separatists are mentally ill", which again, are almost all anti-feminist rhetoric as well.
I'm not all of the replies and never once brought up that blackpills are unemployed hikkis, however I do think you're completely detached from a regular woman's life and demonize them while pulling hyperboles out of your ass which would indicate towards not being in contact with them in real life. I know this is a hard thing to comprehend for someone who's been stuck in an online hugbox but not all women, not even those advocating for separatism, are fans of the narrative of women being simply slaves to their desire to please Nigel because it's precisely the misogynist incel narrative, just with another coat of paint.
>But I guess you probably won't since you've already decided "nobody can ever convince" you to think any deeper than that.
You made absolutely no point refuting anything I said besides an elongated "no u". I can't really reflect on anything.
>>13308>know this is a hard thing to comprehend for someone who's been stuck in an online hugbox
Again with the baseless claims about blackpills being socially isolated, huh? Not only is this verifiably false, but it doesn’t even make sense. Someone with no experience in the outside world would actually probably be more susceptible to falling for patriarchal narratives a la the phenomenon of sheltered daughters since they’ve never had to interact with men. This seems to be extremely hard for you to believe since you’ve constructed your own made up image about blackpilled women to cope, but most blackpills are blackpills due to the things they encounter in the outside world, interacting with men and male sympathizers. The radicalizing force is literally the world around us itself, the online sphere is only there to connect women who’ve been blackpilled already. You don’t become a blackpill just because you read a social media post. It comes from analyzing all of our irl experiences. Speaking of which,>not all women are fans of the narrative of women being simply slaves to their desire to please Nigel because it's precisely the misogynist incel narrative, just with another coat of paint.
The argument you’re making here is a carbon copy of the classic libfem choice feminism retort that analyzing the choices women make and how society and socialization has influenced them is calling women brainwashed/denying them agency. It is a crucial part of feminist analysis to ask why
we women are engaging in patterns of behavior that serve to harm us. You seem to be genuinely unable to tell the difference between that sort of feminist analysis and incels saying “haha women dumb sluts” which is concerning. The women using words like “prostitution” to describe the dynamic in straight relationships is not an insult or judgement on the woman, but a judgement on the moid who wields power over her and how similar it functions to other forms of female oppression. To take insult at the comparison to prostitution betrays your subconscious opinion on prostituted women— those of us using the comparison are drawing parallels to the unfair exploitation and grooming in both cases, but all you see is when you hear the word prostitute is “dumb slut” which is why you’re offended, you’re assuming blackpills are hating and insulting women.
This is my main point because I feel if you and everyone else reeeeeing grasped this, you wouldn’t be so insanely mad about what amounts to very basic and classic feminist analysis of relationship dynamics. >You made absolutely no point refuting anything I said besides an elongated "no u".
If you genuinely can’t process all the times nonnies have refuted your “points” (reminder: your “points” are just ass-pull accusations that blackpills are loveless, friendless, jobless, and mentally ill) that seems like selective blindness and I’m not sure this conversation is with continuing.
>>13296>most separatists are jobless neets
Any data on that?
I don't know separatists irl but lets look at prominent separatists/blackpillers on the internet:>a historian working in a field related to her education >a woman selling cars and making quite good money out of it, a businesswoman >an airport worker
Hmmm idk dude, I don't know a single jobless separatist, I also work in logistics, so…
Also, there's way more jobless "stay at home" het women and the holes in their resumes are bigger than their own holes after giving birth to 10 children, so your argument is completely invalid. >durrr at least they could find a man to pay for them! (this is probably something you would think or write right now)
So this is the power of feminism. The choice to stay a jobless neet as long as my man pays for my shit. Wew.
>Calling other women prostitutes doesn't mean men will be less likely to sexually harass you or look down on you
Allowing men into your house and your bedroom and being in close contact with men in your family will
make men more likely to sexually harass you and look down on you. Unless you live in some third world country, it is entirely your choice to put yourself at risk for the sake of muh sex and muh intimacy and muh love and muh family.
Yeah. Blackpill feminists will call other women whores and prostitutes just to feel superior but wel all know these femcel bitches would shit themselves if they got in an argument with a woman irl.>>13298>>13301
I won't read your stuff. You're not a feminist if you claim all women are whores by nature and that you're superior for not being addicted to dick. You guys are femcels, not feminists. And definitely not femcels by choice. It's not even about men, none of you could date women either.
Do you think any woman would be fine with dating a femcel who calls her a fleshlight? A hole? A free prostitute? Do you think any woman wants to interact with someone like you?
You're the first one to explain the use of "prostitution" like this. Anons were obviously using "unpaid prostitute" and "fleshlight" as insults, and of course debating the use of these words is immediately met with "you're just defending your boyfriend, cry more". The best we got until now is "heterosexual women are unpaid prostitutes because they have sex without even liking it just for financial stability" which is not accurate for most women in western countries, and believing that this is all
women, or that most women are willingly in this situation, is what incels and the like believe too. Also, these anons were literally saying they don't pity prostitutes (see >>13175
), so again, the "you're just prejudiced against prostitutes" argument doesn't work, especially when the term was meant to be derogatory and not refer to actual prostitutes. And aren't blackpilled feminists the ones saying that women can't blame brainwashing for their choice to keep dating? That "women have agency"? The way you present things is more reasonable but at the same you're not saying what these other anons were saying at all.
>>13310>The women using words like “prostitution” to describe the dynamic in straight relationships is not an insult or judgement on the woman, but a judgement on the moid who wields power over her and how similar it functions to other forms of female oppression. To take insult at the comparison to prostitution betrays your subconscious opinion on prostituted women— those of us using the comparison are drawing parallels to the unfair exploitation and grooming in both cases, but all you see is when you hear the word prostitute is “dumb slut” which is why you’re offended, you’re assuming blackpills are hating and insulting women.
Now let's deconstruct this claim. You're drawing from the assumption that most women are oblivious to the open possibilities of exploitation in marriage and are unable to enjoy sex and only submit to it with dubious consent. Hence implying that women choose to live in abject suffering and rape because like children, they can't base their decisions on a careful assessment of the situation. It's one thing to talk about structural misogyny but this started from a post saying "straight women are prostitutes complicit in female oppression and that's why women can't be free". It is fully placing the blame on women themselves, accusing them of enabling men because they "give them sex" which is again, following a madonna/whore dichotomy and subsequently victim
blaming. Bad women have sex, good women don't.
As for the comparison to prostitution, it's a misleading, false equivalency, and acting like it's not meant to be insulting and how it's "just your own prejudices" or related tired old deflection is entirely in bad faith and you know it. You're calling women a highly stigmatized word synonymous to a lot of slurs used to demean them because they choose to be in a relationship and engage in sexual activity while like mentioned, simultaneously blaming them for the suffering women face. Using the term "prostitute" in this context is absolutely meant to be insulting, don't even attempt to turn it around. Yes, some might do it despite not enjoying it and that's an issue nobody has denied and every feminist ever is willing to talk about, but most women genuinely like sex and have it out of their own initiative. You're claiming that all women in straight relationships are incapable of enjoying heterosexual sex despite even the stats that you love so much saying otherwise, and even showing that women in same sex relationships face the same problems with unsatisfying sex life because it's a much bigger issue with female bodily and sexual autonomy than just "ree str8 ppl".
>If you genuinely can’t process all the times nonnies have refuted your “points” (reminder: your “points” are just ass-pull accusations that blackpills are loveless, friendless, jobless, and mentally ill) that seems like selective blindness and I’m not sure this conversation is with continuing.
I don't know about the other anons but I'm not talking about blackpilling or separatism as an ideology but addressing your dumb ass personally so stop hiding behind it. And if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like one, it's probably a duck. You wouldn't hear a well adjusted woman saying shit like "women are prostitutes for being continuously raped in relationships and it's because they're Nigel enablers that we all have it bad" and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
Anon they're obviously backtracking now. Misogynistic femcels thought this thread was their safe place to call women prostitutes and whores because they're not pure virgins like them. See >>13311>Also, there's way more jobless "stay at home" het women and the holes in their resumes are bigger than their own holes after giving birth to 10 children,
This anon is literally saying women have loose vaginas after birth and mocking it, this obviously isn't a feminist thread but rather a thread for femcels to make fun of women who they deem lower because they're sexually active. They literally don't even consider lesbian or bi women who date women and call everyone prostitutes and only advocate staying as a femcel as if not dating men means you face less sexism on the daily. >>13299
It's so weird that most anons who claim to be blackpill feminists are being openly misogynistic, I know a lot of women are brainwashed by misogynistic ideals about virginity, slutshaming, etc. but these anons are really overdoing it and calling everyone sluts just to feel superior, upthread one of them made fun of mothers for having loose pussies which doesn't really sound like an argument a woman who doesn't care about men's preferences and sex would make.
>>13315>which is again, following a madonna/whore dichotomy and subsequently victim blaming. Bad women have sex, good women don't.
Nta but no, it's not following the madonna/whore complex dummy. In moid mindset even the madonna is supposed to have sex at SOME point in her life, with her first husband while she's still le pure virgin of course. Then she has to become a mother. Because the "madonna" in the complex, as Freud described it, is the partner in the stable relationship that the man is not capable of desiring, because he doesn't want to "taint" her with sex. Of course, in practice it looked like this: the husband fucked his wife once or twice to conceive kids and then he fucked prostitutes for sex. This dychotomy is solely about the male perception. It has nothing to do with the female choice. In this mindset there's no place for women who willingly give up on relationships, sex and nuclear family with men for political purposes and their safety, forever, not until the right Nigel shows up, there's also no place for lesbians and bisexuals dating exclusively women.
Your really fucking your own logic here. So, according to your logic, women only have their agency when they choose to be with men and we should
respect that. When the men abuse them they no longer have the agency (like, the agency to leave for example) and they're only and entirely victims
of circumstances, and we should
help them and give them our resources, like money (thus argument "if you want to be an actual feminist, donate to womens shelters duhh!" that was many times brought up itt). Holy shit. This is just pure libfem shit at this point. You have the entire board and even the entire lolcow for yourself, since it mostly follows libfem choice bullshit and logical fallacies and selective approach to terms like "agency", whenever it fits you. But no, you have to shit up the only blackpill thread with your libfem bullshit.
Well actually, nonnie
, it's just your prejudices against prolapsed vaginas, not that they're dehumanizing and judging other women and their bodies and choices through a male lens at all. You know? /s
Anyway, like incels often do they believe that all choices women make regarding their own relationships are motivated by either intellectually challenged ignorance or opportunism. She's dating a moid? Must be because he's rich and providing for her. She's having sex with a moid? She must be either paying for that providing with her body or she gets a kick out of being degraded. She has her own job? She's probably letting a loser redditoid exploit her for her paycheck. All of these claims have been laid upthread.
With each reply, they're proving they've never had a job, relationship or even genuine friendships with women. They have no understanding of real life or interpersonal relationships, some of their replies read like it's written by an AI that was fed information on incel sites with the amount of misogynistic remarks and women being inferior sexually.
Normal women don't think the way they think we do. They'll unashamedly make fun of a woman who has given birth and created life by claiming her pussy is no longer tight and somehow still think they're feminists. It's obvious they're using "feminism" as a cover to be openly misogynistic towards any woman that's not a virgin.
>>13322>according to your logic, women only have their agency when they choose to be with men and we should respect that. When the men abuse them they no longer have the agency (like, the agency to leave for example)
NTA but how is it "libfem shit" to say that people in abusive
relationships can't make the best decisions for themselves due to fear or manipulation? This isn't only true for those dumb hetero women, this also applies to non-romantic relationships or even homosexual relationships.
>>13322>Nta but no, it's not following the madonna/whore complex dummy. In moid mindset even the madonna is supposed to have sex at SOME point in her life, with her first husband while she's still le pure virgin of course.
It's not the literal definition and never meant to be, but to show a parallel to how incels see women.
Throwing your arms up in the air and screaming "libfem!" like it was a slur would be hilarious if it wasn't so tiresome. It's not even about respecting choices but recognizing that women are capable of making them for themselves, but
choices can be influenced by our socialization which actively seeks to suppress female well being. I thought that was like Feminism 101. Separatism should be about setting yourself free of male influence like saying and doing whatever you want without the concern for how men might judge you as a woman, not some weirdly puritan and misogynistic "don't have sex or you're a prostitute with a gaping pussy selling all of us short" thought. What if I also told you that women can also end up in abusive
relationships when dating the same sex? It's even very likely due to the minority stress induced mental illness SSA women experience.
Nta but you are a retard. Whether women enjoy sex is irrelevant, it was simply brought up to bring up the orgasm gap and other feminist issues. If straight women enjoy being humiliated, and spat on by their nigels and degraded en masse that is not a positive pro feminist stance, this is not something you should be rallying for. We don't rally for the agency of women to mutilate and disfigure themselves because it feels nice or whatever excuse you want to make up, enjoying your own degradation isn't empowering nor sound.
>Bad women have sex, good women don't.
Your obsession with moid thought and dichotomies is concerning. Your inability to not center males and their obsession with degrading women in discussions of sex is frightening. There is no "good women" having sex with hetero moids and pleasure is worthless if it comes at the cost of your own dignity and self respect. Please have a brain and think outside of this moidal dichotomy, there's no point bringing up madonna whore shit if you literally embody it and wish to project it on everything you see. Where do lesbians fit into moids Madonna whore shit?
Pleasure from sex is worthless if it is for nought, if it's the only escape that these women have for a sexual outlet because of moids that isn't something to defend; its bleak, coomer shit and a male sex obsessed culture. Continue to shame women who call out the normalization of this inhumanity as virginal, maddonas, NEETs, nlogs and whatever bullshit you spew as insults with no counter points since you yourself seem to think your the whore in this circumstance. You can cry and continue to sperg about how the majority of women enjoy sex like a terminally libfem retard but that doesn't make it sound. The majority of the human population live in abject poverty; we don't tout this as a positive and so to we shouldn't tout pleasure in hetero women if it comes at a great cost. There is a whole other philosophical discussion to be had on what even constitutes as pleasure, attraction, love and companionship but the obsession of men and male centered sex must be maintained obsessively as you've voiced loudly even to the detriment of womens dignity. Anon is right you do have no arguments and only resort to personal attacks.>>13325
Nta that said that disgusting comment about womans bodies during birth but creating life? Come on anon.. you sound like a crazy tradthot. Pregnancy and gestation is not a wondrous beautiful thing, it is a biological function. It is neither beautiful nor disgusting and it shouldn't be aggrandized as if women are machines like an airheaded tradthot, envious troon or pedofilic moid praising fertility to spite women with fertility issues, lesbians, and child free women. Also
>by claiming her pussy is no longer tight
Who the fuck brought up moids fictional idea of "tightness" and other incel porn jargon? That anon said a sick comment but they never mentioned this pornsick scrote shit that you are projecting. You also do not speak for all women ever and don't assume to know the women ITT, their relationships or lack thereof. Also please stop centering the discussion on men and mens pleasure>>13326>Actually same sex women can abuse each other.
Same sex women apparently assault straight women en masse, sexualize, humiliate and degrade them. Libfem, lesbophobic garbage you know this is negligible and it is truly pathetic to fallaciously compare moids assaulting women to lesbian women assaulting het women. This is clown world moid ass licking shit. Maybe this site is all mostly libfems as anon joked.>>13328>What if I also told you that women can also end up in abusive relationships when dating the same sex? It's even very likely due to the minority stress induced mental illness SSA women experience.
I must have missed the 98% of lesbian women being rapists of straight women, all the degrading porn lesbian women make of heterosexual women, prostituted heterosexual women by lesbians, battered womens sheltered set up from lesbian on hetero women abuse. Thousands of years of lesbian women subjugating straight women institutionally and forcibly mutilating their genitals and bodies, pressuring them into sex, shaming, humiliating, degrading, dehumanizing en masse, forcing them to fulfil a biological function through rape. The innate violence of lesbian women and hatred they hold against women for not fucking them, the recent movements of lesbian women that threaten to kill, maim and rape them. Yes, of course lesbians are the true threat. We have an actual genius.
This may be the most retarded, out of touch libfem brainrot take I've seen this whole thread in any attempt to shift the blame off of men for violence and defend moids. For all the talk about how out of touch forlorn women are here with the "real world" (which apparently is whatever you deem it) for voicing their disappointment and frustrations with men and other women who seek to undermine common sense, it always comes down to other womens fault somehow. Especially ones that diverge from the norm of moid ass licking. There is no world where lesbians are the abusive
class. A tip to those; make an actual argument not personal attacks on someone's identity, and relationships. To the anon who keeps bringing up Madonna whore moid lenses yet ironically sees blackpilled women as Madonnas and isn't breaking from this lens themselves, please have a counter argument that doesn't center discussion on men and men's ways of thinking for once. Lesbians obviously aren't apart of your retarded moid obsessed Madonna whore shit nor are the sole human traffickers of hetero women.
The retards saying lesbian women can assault women too need to know that this isn't a counter argument to anything and I have no clue what the purpose of this is. Is it to shift the blame of rape, murder, subjugation, forced pregnancy, assault, degradation, dehumanization, pedofilia and inhumanity away from moids and instead project it on other women who are different from themselves for some reason?. Lesbian women being capable of violence isn't a counter argument. What the fuck are you trying to argue? We know violence is overwhelmingly a male problem and female violence, let alone lesbian female violence is wholly negligible. What a joke of an empty counter argument. Lesbian women being capable of violence doesn't undo moids violent habits. Some of you will stop at nothing to defend violent males even if it means tearing down women who do actually live separately and independent of moids. Incredibly pathetic.
I won't read that but if you got mad enough to write like ten paragraphs maybe it's better for you to take a break, anon? Why don't you go outside and do something you like?>>13333
Anon she's obviously wrong, also about the spit thing, I've only seen coomer men say they'd want to be spat on, anon is trying every trick in her pocket to prove that she's based for being a femcel and other straight women are hardcore whores. She didn't even think about lesbians before anons called her out and now she's trying to use lesbophobia as if she's not %100 straight and obsessed with men.
>>13325>With each reply, they're proving they've never had a job, relationship or even genuine friendships with women. They have no understanding of real life or interpersonal relationships,>>13310
(reminder: your “points” are just ass-pull accusations that blackpills are loveless, friendless, jobless, and mentally ill)
Inb4 your next stunning comeback of “you’re loveless, friendless, jobless, and mentally ill!” For the 17th time.
About the same. As a lesbian though, I've always had this feeling that OSA women and lesbians wouldn't be able to level with one another, generally. Lesbians want nothing to do with men, meanwhile OSAs interpret separatism as a criticism of their sexuality. It's really frustrating to explain over and over again that separatism isn't about us thinking het women aren't worthy of love, or that they can change their immutable sexuality, but rather a means of safe, comfortable living away from our oppressors who torture us. Het women will flipflop on how it's either totally their god-given, autonomous right to date men and bear children, or how they're all brainwashed into dating them and raising families with them and they have their hands tied. The vehement push back so-called feminists have against separatism, which is what a lot of our ancestors could only ever dream of, woke me up. Modern women saying that they need love with males and they need to date them honestly feels like spitting in the face of the feminists before us.
ayrt,>Het women will flipflop on how it's either totally their god-given, autonomous right to date men and bear children, or how they're all brainwashed into dating them and raising families with them and they have their hands tied. The vehement push back so-called feminists have against separatism, which is what a lot of our ancestors could only ever dream of, woke me up.
exactly. It makes me feel like I'm crazy that I (as a het woman) can't find hardly any like-minded fellow het women to talk to on this subject. Going separatist and initially swallowing the black pill is extremely emotionally difficult for het women which is why celibate, separatist het women communities need to grow because you need a support network of women who understand that particular struggle. I want to believe this community can be built and it's not just a pipe dream, but I'm becoming increasingly less hopeful and feel more isolated every time I'm treated like an insane asylum patient even by other "radfems" just for advocating for something as positive and healing as separatism. I think het women have crab bucket mentality.
The funny thing is no one brought up the losing tightness and "looseness" or any porn moid memes from child birth. I brought this up and no one seemed to care it was just expected that women will be perceived on their vag tightness for some reason. One anon said a disgusting comment about how birth harms womens bodies. The anons fixated on this are projecting a moid pornified image on to women and internalizing virginity shit. Virginity and celibacy is respectable and shows a degree of self control in women, it doesn't make you a tradthot to acknowledge this, having self control in a manipulative world is always respectable and lacking this is isn't. I find it upsetting that no one acknowledged how het women enjoying degrading sex isn't a good thing lel. And the asinine idea of women being "femcels" despite women having abundant sources of sex, so the term being meaningless for women, women also voluntarily seperate themselves and to those that don't why would any other women mock this? We aren't rapeape belittling males who smash the "lower" on the fictional hierarchy. Women also generally don't gauge their merit on penetrative sex like rapeapes so this term is inept for describing anyone with a vagina. This thread has been hopeless for stimulating any discussion because all arguments are met with "go outside", "femcel", and other male internalized projected non responses. Like >>13361 I wish there was a filter to filter out comments with no argument in them.>>13351
Certainly this thread of belittling misogynistic women accusing other women with different perspectives of being losers for sharing their opinions because "you wrote too much and need to go outside" and other shit reasons. Other powerful counter arguments include "your a schizo". No one questioned how normalized it is for hetero women to be degraded and wish to tolerate it, many will blame lesbians for their precious moids violence then ree that "of course women don't commit violence as much". Then why even bring up same sex violence in the first place if it's negligible? Misrepresenting fallacy of majority as "why are you comparing women liking degrading sex to poverty". Brainrot. The non responses in this thread are black pill material. The male laden insults of "you need to go outside, schizo, strange obsessive virginity toned insults, and "you write too much". The lack of general critical thought circulated in the minds of women who will gladly eat poop berries is blackpill material.
Men angry about trannies on beer cans managed to do serious financial damage to one of world's biggest beer makershttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11967335/Bud-Lights-parent-company-Anheuser-Busch-InBev-lost-6-BILLION-market-cap.html
Feminists can only dream of having such a impact because they're all too busy infighting to do anything on a large scale.
>>13390>Please actually read the thread, this has been addressed several times.
No, I have seen none. I would appreciate it if you linked me them though, I don't want to wade through the empty catty insults to find one decent scrap of an argument.
>As always, you have to resort to ridiculous generalizations about women ("they all love degrading sex top kek")
This wasn't a generalization though a anon said it up thread. It was something like 65% of het women. I wasn't mocking people for this nor finding amusement in it by the lel, I thought it was funny because no one responded to my arguments and only flinged insults and still continue to do so. An anon also misinterpreted the fallacy of majority as a false comparison of poverty to prostitution, which I obviously wasn't comparing; the point was majority doesn't equal good. I wouldn't mock something as bleak as het women enjoying being degraded and having no other outlet for pleasure; that is a source of dread not mockery.
>the dangerous influence of porn
The "dangerous influence of porn" is a nice way of centering criticism away from males in a toothless criticism. It's not the fault of the "dangerous influence of porn". You don't need to censor yourself, you can be honest here. It's the dangerous influence of moids creating the "dangerous influence of porn". Assault is more than a "dangerous influence".
>Look at the lengths you have to go to make your weird ideas about virginity and ""self-control"" sound justified.
I literally said virginity is respectable, self control and celibacy is respectable in women, no double quotes required. It strangely hit a nerve in you double quote anon. No catty fictional femcel insults required either. It is. Austerity is respected in a world that is highly pressuring, and near forceful with many sources of harmful shit.>>13408>she just post about how women are loose fleshlights and she's totally not a loose prostitute like other women
I was disgusted by the vagina comment that anon made, it was pretty appalling and dehumanizing of post natal women. That wasn't me who made it. I even said numerous times how that comment never mentioned the porny fictional concept of moid tightness and looseness yet every reply has always involved this, even yours now. It's strange what you've chosen to focus on. It's as if some of you are unable to give up this male lens. We all know "tightness" is a fictional porn moid concept, why are you disingenuously citing it? This isn't a catty competition where women are compared like pokemon, please stop centering the discussion towards male ideas of womens bodies. Drop the porn internalized tightness arc, the inhumanity in that comment wasn't about the "tightness", it was about the disfigurement/loss of agency of a natal womans body. You can't be as brainrotted to think it was just a snide catty comment about vag being tight/loose/octagon shaped and other fictional moid ideas and assume that anon is trying to nlog about it by centering discussion on it they made a off color joke comparing "holes in the resumes of non pregnant NEET women "who are jobless" because one anon kept attacking everyone, including me. They compared the holes in resumes to holes in post natal woman. Yes, it was sick and in poor taste but it was also driven out of frustration. It was an insult responding to baseless insults.
>trying to drown them in a word salad as an exhaustion tactic
Please have a counter argument.
>>13449>It's the dangerous influence of moids creating the "dangerous influence of porn". Assault is more than a "dangerous influence".
truuuuuu, het women hate to acknowledge this. it certainly isn't women producing that shit, and it's not women getting addicted to it either.>I was disgusted by the vagina comment that anon made, it was pretty appalling and dehumanizing of post natal women. That wasn't me who made it. [but] that comment never mentioned the porny fictional concept of moid tightness and looseness yet every reply has always involved this
I seriously don't understand the distinction you're trying to make here though. It was clearly a looseness jab, when referring to a "hole," "loose" and "big" mean the same thing. let me bring the exact quote down here so we can remember: ( >>13311
)>the holes in their resumes are bigger than their own holes after giving birth to 10 children
trying to tease out how this was in poor taste b-but not a classic porn-tier moid insult is pretty much impossible and not a hill you want to die on.
>>13449>The "dangerous influence of porn" is a nice way of centering criticism away from males
Even in males, porn has an obvious and negative influence. The point just was that it's not only blackpilled feminists who denounce the normalization of degrading sex through porn (but also normal media and sex posi libfems), even though you tried to pretend otherwise to justify your "het women are all dumb prostitutes and I'm enlightened" mindset. >I literally said virginity is respectable, self control and celibacy is respectable in women
Again the only way you make it sound respectable is by lying about most women loving being degraded and even eating poop. Because you know that without this, claiming that having sex is shameful and a lack of self-control is exactly what the average trad or incel moid would say about women.
NTA and I'm not even sure I agree with her, but pretending to not see that the reason she gives for celibacy being respectable and the reason an incel would give are completely different makes me question your honesty, and if not that, your reading comprehension. If it's the latter, I'll spell it out for you:>Incel: celibate/virgin women are respectable because it means she's an innocent and naive maiden that no man has gotten the chance to lay his hands on yet, which is better for me because that means I get to pop her cherry and claim her>anon: celibacy/virginity in a woman is a respectable trait because it means she does not cave to patriarchal pressure to partner with men who don't even care about her, in the same way that women who don't wear makeup are respectable
You lot: this is the same. lol anon's just bitter she can't find a man. I am very smart.
Partiarchy has always been forcing women to stay virgins for their husbands. Women used to get killed for not being virgins so making virginity ideal isn't fighting against patriarchy at all.
Don't you realize how anon never talks badly about men who sleep around but always trashes nonvirgin women, calling them misogynistic insults?
She's a trad-chan who's too retarded to get a man she desires so she pretends she's willingly single while still bragging about her virginity like her trad-chan self loves to do.
but you just said yourself why the two positions are different?>stay virgins for their husbands>for their husbands
AKA the value in virginity is what it brings to her husband who will eventually fuck her and only wants untouched possessions. The value in virginity for a celibate woman is being free of abuse and manipulation. I can't speak to anon's background but you're misrepresenting her argument.>never talks badly about men who sleep around but always trashes nonvirgin women
This is the blackpill thread, I thought it was a given that we all know men are complete trash and there's no need to rehash it. Also you say "she always trashes non-virgin women" but I have not seen her say that in the posts you are referring to. Not every blackpill anon itt is the same person, attributing the words of an anon days earlier upthread with all later arguments by other people is likely to be inaccurate since there are so many anonymous people here sharing opinions.
>>13466>So any woman who isn't a virgin has been tainted and abused and therefore can't be one of the pure blackpilled feminists?
Uh, no? you're just making shit up to be mad about now. A lot of blackpills are blackpills because of being mistreated by moids. Saying permenent virginity is commendable doesn't mean non-virgins are irredeemable the same way saying a woman who's never once worn makeup is commendable because it's rare and shows an early predilection for being based that few people have.
I think what's screwing this convo up is that "virginity" by definition just describes the state of never having had sex (with a moid), but the word has an association with moid bullshit because of the value they have personally assigned to that state, so seeing "virginity is respectable" calls to mind the scrote association and makes everyone get their pitchforks because no one has ever seen a woman-centered usage of the word before, it's always usually about men.
I'm not gaslighting, I'm just telling you women don't get used to clean men's houses unless they're housecleaners and it's their job. You're not a blackpill feminist, you're a loser who tries to attack every other women,claiming all women are gold diggers that only stay with their bfs for money while never criticizing men.
I'm the anon from above who said she has only been with women so your logic won't work on me, sadly.
Feminism would be more effective if less women chose not to partner with men. Why is it important? Because men are an environmental disaster. I personally don't care what women do with their vaginas only to the extent that they are enabling the extinction event that is male-directed politics. I mean whatever, sexual dimorphism is going to play itself out to its ultimate conclusion. Probably not a good one, but this thread is enough evidence that women steadfastly refuse to stop allying and pairbonding with their toxic
"frenemies". Joined at the hip until the very end
NTA but> I'm just telling you women don't get used to clean men's houses unless they're housecleaners and it's their job
Have we been living in the same universe? So many men want to get married just so they can stop living in filth because they refuse to clean (& cook), and their mothers too are often desperate to find them a wife so he is not helpless when he leaves her nest. It’s one of the most basic and obvious dynamics in het relationships globally
Nta, maybe you've never seen it because you live in a very progressive area?
I realized there might be a culture difference because I'm in a fairly conservative country for example.
Even itt women are crying over the language, JFC how many times did I hear this?
>stop saying harsh/controversial things, you're scaring women away! That's why there's such a small amount of separatists, blackpilled and willingly celibate women! You're scaring normal women away with your rhetoric!
Listen, bud. If the language scares you away, that means the thing wasn't for you in the first place. And that goes for any ideology, not just blackpill. I was never scared away by the language, even when it was very harsh, and someone like, for example, black obsidian, had super harsh videos, especially towards mothers. And even when I was at a point I thought I didn't agree with her on everything, I still wasn't "scared away" by her language. I don't care if I "scare away" most women. If you're meant to get something, you will get it. If you're not, you won't. Simple as.
I'm tired of people perceiving any women-related movement as egalitarian and collective by definition. I think blackpills and separatists should completely stop associating themselves with the term "feminism", because this term is inherently connected to the collective and people will always expect you to care for literally ALL women and tame your language and ideas in order to cater to them (which is another sexist, stereotypical expectation btw - you're a woman so you should cater to everyone and care for everyone). They will try to police you. If we don't separate ourselves, there will be people constantly nagging us and even trying to co opt us.
>>13458>She's a trad-chan who's too retarded to get a man
I'm sure "finding a man" as a lesbian woman would definitely help me as a so called "tradthot". Lel kys. Virginity, celibacy and self control is laudable in women. A woman who chooses to stake her self worth and dignity over caving to social pressures and oppressors is respectable. A woman who has been raped by moids and swears off her oppressors and abusers is respectable. You can tear apart other women all you like on the moid basis of this but it doesn't make it untrue, the moid reasons for virginity are absolutely asinine and retarded, die mad catty pickme.>>13463>Waah! what about men
I don't care about moids who sleep around as I'm not interested in them. All moids are trash and tainted. I would extend the long dead belief of chastity in men but incels are not respectable, I'd assume we are all on the same page here with moids being unable to have self control and having no force that pressures them to degrade themselves, infact having several sources of pride, dignity and several symbols of themselves humiliating women. Incels are just as degraded as manwhores and have forfeit their dignity the moment they choose to degrade and dehumanize women in their typic inhuman moid ways.>>13466>So any woman who isn't a virgin has been tainted and abused and therefore can't be one of the pure blackpilled feminists?
Chastity was once something cared about too eons before the libfem, "degrade yourself because it's empowering" era, but I wouldn't be too hyper focused on virginity but rather celibacy. I think virginity Is theoretically respectable in men and women but in practice, men are not degraded in het sex and have no external pressure to use their bodies. Self control and celibacy isn't synonymous with virginity nor mutually exclusive, being exclusionary of the people who were your previous assaulters and oppressors is laudable. I give no shits to the moid concept of "taintedness" and their "one and done" idea of womens bodies. I think one anon did mention that "virginities" are different depending on the orientation of a person, and I'd agree but no one even cares about non het virginities so the mental image sticks of some moids concept of it.>>13453
Lol okay you're right that was a moid laden insult. I imagined it different. I see the frustration of where it came from though since the anon they were replying to was hell bent on slinging insults with no arguments.
I just want a community for blackpill women. The whole premise is that regular women are simply too exhausting to deal with. Not every belief system needs to spread itself thin and compromise its own values just to be popular. Blackpill feminism isn't supposed to be popular. What else can I say? This thread is just a series of timewasting derails by resentful normie women who don't even belong in this thread. It's not anyones job to educate them on the basic principles of feminism. They can do that themselves. >>13538
Plenty of women do get it, while others just don't want
to get it, and they are going to make that everyone elses problem. There are no lack of women who have actually read a decent amount of lit and are emotionally ready to face the real lifestyle changes needed to fully manifest feminism.
Its funny to see women who have a fucking skills deficit in feminist theory treat women who don't like an on-call maid service. Meanwhile trying to gaslight them as if taking pride in their personal choices is an assault to their own identity as a stacy.
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i'm a little blackpilled for a few reasons, this is going to be more of a vent than anything but:
1.) most women love men. no amount of theory can change biological, animal/reptile brain urges.
2.) we're operating under a system that's persisted in every corner of the globe since the dawn of civilization…and we're doing it in the modern era.
3.) female socialization is insidious and deep, and we deal with it even before we're born. even me, who was never really a tra, sometimes pities and sympathizes with troons.
4.) large scale feminist movements are largely nonexistent these days, and feminist conversations are muddled by tras. see the roe v wade situation, or the fact that you can't state an Extremely basic feminist tenet – makeup and beauty standards are bad – without a thousand happy bimbos and trannies and etc. up your ass telling you how validating it is to be pink and sparkly, actually. even on lc you get women whining about how it's wrong to take their lipgloss and nail polish away, or that's it "natural" for women to be into that shit.
there are more but those are the standouts. i don't really think we're ever going to see female liberation in our lifetimes kek, the odds are stacked too high from every single side.
They're literally seething so hard whenever any anon disagrees with their weird views. Imagine bragging about being a tight virgin and superior to other women who you see as free prostitutes and then claiming to be a feminist.
And now they're saying they'll report anons who disagree, kek. I guess it triggered
>>13566>don't try to paint it as some subset of feminism.
It is though, don't try to paint it as not as a no true Scotsman, you don't get to write the definition of what is considered feminist and neither do I, if various women rally behind something meaningfully enough and it fits defining characteristics; it is feminist or rather we can't disprove that it isn't feminist. I wouldn't ban "normie" women or even the moid apologists obsessing over internalized porn concepts like "tightness", personally. Call them normie or whatever you choose to, because this discussion is the purpose of this board; debate on feminist ideology. I do think the derails are annoying but what are you going to do? if farmhands choose to let them slide that's their decision. Unfortunately I didn't get much of a response to my posts other than a lukewarm toothless "every feminist knows about the danger of pornography", but I do think it's possible to provoke some real discussion here and there's some merit to that, at the very least it's reassuring to see other women voice their opinions and thoughts; this is an absolute rarity unheard of on the internet where most women only spaces are libfeminism spew, tranny worship and moid worship.
I am curious why a lot of libfem orientated and bold faced misogynists like the lesbian erasure, "SSA women don't exist", "all women are in catty competition with me over rapeapes", "unmarried 40 year old spinsters" anon are even doing here in the first place though.
No such specialty as patriarchy so not much out there to be liberated from.
It shocks me that so many people here can see through the trans nonsense but still believe in a patriarchy.
Reminder to report the moids trolling.>>13593
Stop engaging you retards. JFC can it be any more transparently obvious that you are entertaining a troll? What will it take to make you stop taking the bait
>>13589>No such specialty as patriarchy so not much out there to be liberated from.
Tradwhores - I mean blacpillers finally admit their beliefs. First you guys say being virgin as a woman makes you superior to nonvirgin women, then you call all other women free prostitute gold diggers and make fun of their looseness. At the end you finally admit you don't believe in patriarchy. Kek. Finally admitting you're just a trad-chan.
What's the next thing you'll bring up? That liberal feminism is the reason all men are rapists and that women being whores is why all men are ruined?
Yeah they'd also blame women for getting abused, one of them said women who get raped deserve it because most of them date men. Imagine saying that shit even though half of the rape victims
are literally kids and the other half are women who get taken advantage of by random men or even family members.
This thread is filled with tradhoes that are literally parroting incel rhetoric. They're so funny, everything they criticize women for are literally %100 misogyny.
NTA but male and female brains do have differences. If it were just social conditioning, women and men wouldn't behave similarly in all countries. In any given country, a man is more likely to commit suicide successfully over a woman because they're weaker mentally. In any country, a man is more likely to get most types of cancers because they don't care about their health, weight or bad habits as much as we women do.
I disagree with the radfems who say that men are naturally violent pedos because of their brains because I feel like that's excusing men's crimes and normalizing it but I do belive men are definitely weaker mentally. It just shows in any decision they make.
Why would feminists say that the patriarchy
doesn't exist are you fucking stupid. Or any women. Even trad women know it exists they justify it. The only people who outright deny it exists are lib men.
Wanting to ban anyone you disagree with really proves your arguments are bullet proof, eh? Also even if you became a farmhand and banned every anon you disagreed with itt by accusing them of "derailing" you'd probably lose your position.>>13678>I know a woman whose personality is liking dick
I'm not straight but I'd rather be friends with her than a woman whose personality is to hate women, which is all the tradhoes itt. They literally hate on promiscuous women and act like women are the reason men are like this, kek. Of course none of you have female friends, you're mental.
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>>13679>I'd rather be friends with her…
don't care, hide the thread and piss off. >>13685
so many of these women are violently lonely i think; i've seen tiktoks where sahm's and "coquettes" would post shit like "well who am i outside of being a mother/his girl? do i have any real identity?", and i've even seen anons here vent post about not having any female friends/relationships outside of their bf.
but they cling to it so hard, because they don't seen to know anything else. or maybe there is hardcore manipulation happening behind the scenes, i don't know.>>13686
i can't entirely tell if this post is bait or not kek
>>13629>What's the next thing you'll bring up? That liberal feminism is the reason all men are rapists and that women being whores is why all men are ruined?
Nah, moids "ruined" moids. You're in a black pill thread not a "save the moids" thread. But certainly liberal feminism amplifies the inhumanity of rape apes. And so does coddling this behavior and acting as if legalizing rape is a given that women should be supporting. There's a libfem retard actually arguing male and female brains are the same and rapeapes are only due to "socialization". I shouldn't have to explain why this is incredibly harmful and wrong.>>13694>than call all non-celibate women collectively prostitutes and blame them for "enabling the patriarchy" and female oppression.
Well are these women enabling the patriarchy and female oppression or not? What's your point here? Arguing "it's mean" isn't an argument. And I agree, if you are hurt by what is said from other women in this thread why are you following it? Simply hide it and stop engaging if it upsets you.
It's literally noon for me, ever heard of timezones?>>13712
This thread should be named "Calling out whores who ruined men for us traditional women" these femcels are literally attacking all women and blaming feminists for crimes men commit, once you call them out they say the post was made by a male or delete it as if %90 of the posts aren't similar.
Liberal feminism doesn't enable rape but it certainly normalizes it by encouraging womens bodies be treated as a workplace for degrading acts, turning womens bodies into commodities is not feminist. You can't purchase consent. Encouraging an entire subset of women, no less an underclass to engage in dehumanizing prostitution and wide scale rape to the detriment of others that just want to live is harmful and yes, encourages rape. The rapists are part of the equation quite obviously as rapeapes and the victims
are enablers under liberal feminist doctrine. I'm having trouble understanding your point of view. You claim to believe males are inherently bad by nature, which we are in agreeance with then argue about liberal feminism "ruining men". You can't "ruin" something that's already broken. The rest of your comment is just retarded baseless misrepresentations of my post. I have to assume you are ESL or retarded. >>13712
I just said socialization isn't the reason moids are cruel. They are cruel because they are moids; socialization and the coddling of rapists amplifies what's already there. >>13716>This thread should be named "Calling out whores who ruined men for us traditional women"
I am a lesbian, stop centering the discussion on the acquisition of men. If you refuse to understand nuance and engage with arguments and instead only want to derail into catty complaints of other women fighting over moids, why bother posting?
>>13716>This thread should be named "Calling out whores who ruined men for us traditional women"
OP here, im a lesbian. the only thing we can call out in this thread is how tradwifes and libfems are acting like doormats for men. we are mostly advocating for separatism and making women understand that no man would ever give an ounce of attention that women constantly gives to them. we have nothing in common with tradwives bc blackpill women are mostly terf
/6b4t/lesbian separatists and never coddle men. while we all know that males are a constant danger for us and we must distant ourselves from, we also need to talk about the women who are investing too much time to them to the point that they are excusing all of their behavior and coddle their dicks constantly, which makes us upset and thus make us swallowing the "blackpill". we are not asking for women to "stopping ruining our men" or wtv the shit you say, we all know that men ruins everything they touch and we dont need them anymore, we are asking for women to stop putting themselves at risk with these filthy degenerates and embracing themselves without reducing themselves as free prostitutes for men.
One of the anons literally said feminism normalizes rape in this post >>13717>Liberal feminism doesn't enable rape but it certainly normalizes it by encouraging womens bodies be treated as a workplace for degrading acts, turning womens bodies into commodities.
You can't have your femcels say feminists are the ones normalizing rape and then act like you're not misogynistic.>>13736>free prostitutes
A prostitute by definition can't be free, kek. You really do have some sort of brain damage, don't you? Does your imaginary gf also agree with your views? Oh I forgot! You can't get any women because they all get scared when you start calling them whores.
AYRT, I agree completely even though I myself am one of those woo-woo goddess worshippers, kek. I feel like it's fine obviously to include women who worship, but having religion be a core tenet of the community makes it all too specific imo. I just want to live around women who want to live away from men at the end of the day, and like you said, it can be alienating if the community is more specific than that.
There's also the problem of individuals who in theory like the idea of a commune, but are unwilling to move/do things that are out of their way to achieve that. I've known plenty of separatists who love the idea of an all female neighborhood, but are unsure about moving out of their state to make it a reality. I know it sounds like a gamble to most, but I guess I personally want it so bad that I don't mind taking risks.
Do you check if women are virgins before dating them so you don't accidentally date a "free prostitute"? Have you ever had a gf that wasn't from discord? Does your gf also believe all women are whores? Kek. You're definitely not a lesbian, you're just an autistic straight woman, no lesbian is obsessed over misogynistic shit like women's virginity or promiscuity, only autistic virgin girls like you care about this.
You should go back to whichever site you came from, polilezzy.
I read your post through in its entirety four times and still have no idea what you're saying or what your point is. It feels like I'm having a stroke trying to understand it so I've opted to narrate my thought process going through your post>Your post reads like bait because
oh okay, lets see why people think it's bait since I still don't understand>because of the whole "woe is me, my moid doesn't appreciate me" pitiful slant.
so anon seems to think I made the post about myself, I guess. It obviously wasn't but even if it was a personal experience, is that not the opposite of "bait" which is a made up scenario? So how does this work as an explanation for why it seems like bait? I don't get it, but maybe it will become clear if I read on>And the more obvious libfem coated "women are retard bimbos with no hobby but makeup so he'll get her a Sephora gift card" shit.
ok so it seems like anon is saying it's a libfem take to say women are retarded bimbos for liking makeup. that's… not true, libfems are makeup fans who would never say that. And also, how does anon think I was calling the woman dumb instead of the man, since he was the one who gave her a brainless gift which is what was being criticized? i am becoming more confused now.>Is that supposed to be insensitive?
Huh? what is this sentence connected to? Is what
supposed to be insensitive? After pondering this sentence for a while I give up trying to understand it and move on>Good, I'm sure she'll appreciate the gift card, get the stupid libfem some shitty Sephora card for her effort
I cannot tell what position this sentence is even arguing. it seems to be written ironically but from what perspective, I cannot determine>in his trite, incredibly common hobby that she apparently strangely shares little interest.
okay so anon thinks it's unrealistic that a woman would not share her bf's interest in gaming…? Even though that's exceedingly common?>If a moid is so insensitive that he only got you a cookie cutter bimbo present while you made him muh super special unique gamer shit, why waste your time coddling him?
why is anon simultaneously speaking as if I wrote it about myself and also as if I made it up because I hate women? even though it was clearly a critique on the man's lack of care towards her. Not to mention "why is she wasting her time with him" was the very question I was asking in the post.
Conclusion: did someone train an AI on buzzwords from this thread an unleash it upon us?
sort of nihilistic blogpost but
ive sincerely lost all hope for women, the only people i do trust are the 6b4t lesbians, but since they represent a tiny minority it's not easy to forget that the rest of women are completely against those movements. i've started my separatist journey 2 yrs ago, ive embraced my homosexuality that i was deeply ashamed of (ive tried to flirt with one guy but i knew something was off and quickly stopped), since then i tried to follow the 6B movement, which was quite easy for me, also doing half of the 4T (no makeup, shaving, male idols etc are things that i never consumed and still dont, but the only thing i have difficulty to throw is the otaku culture), i do not interact with a lot of men outside and online too, i kind of distanced myself from everyone, i don't go out often since i've had been sexually aggressed and left traumatized for days. i spent a lot of times in radfeminist spaces online (since it doesnt exist in my country sadly) i see that none of the girls really maintain their views. it's like they just spew things to impress people on their knowledge, and that's it. i just cant understand how women can still be worshiping males, i truly dont, with all the things we hear everyday about them, how can women still thinks that "not all men some of them are very very nice !" when it's always proved wrong. i tried to think that women would maybe peak and wake up, but no, instead we get women who hate themselves and transition (ive already went through this phase because i hated being a woman too but ive managed to overcome that), women cursing and hating other women because of radfem opinions, women who do everything for male validation, women who still consume misogynistic products/content and don't care about, women worshiping male idols, women supporting abusers and not believing women who are the victims, etc.. all these stuffs just make me feel that there is no hope for us and that we are doomed forever, i truly started to think that there is no point to live in this life if everything is hellish, everyone hates us, from every political parties, from every demographics, from every religions, we are despised everywhere. men hates us so much that they want to be us, we are a sort of costume for us and they want to skinwalking us to jack off, our existence and appeareance is just porn for their eyes, and if you criticize this you get dogpilled by women who thinks that letting men cosplaying us is perfectly normal. i doubt that a change can exist in this lifetime. i dont understand why women feel the need to bring life nowadays since it's gonna still be hellish for the future generation, i don't understand whats appealing with pregnancy, i even think that pregnancy is hell for us and we are just meant to suffer even from our bodies. i just cant understand why life is so unfair, why we get constantly hated from centuries, why our existence still gets debated from every political parties while we represent half of the world's population, i just dont understand why all of these things are happening to us, and why almost nobody wakes up (i understand the fear of waking up too, but if a majority of women does that, maybe something can change ? but i doubt that such things would happen nowadays). i don't know if theres also a good after life for us, i know that for men they get the "70 virgins in paradise", i mean, even in their paradise we are seen as objects ? that's what we are meant to ? even after death we can still be seen as products to be consumed? even if we die, we can get photographied and published on internet and having our death being mocked by men, even our dead bodies represent a porn material for them, and i just get sick when i think about that. i just dont understand why should we birth other girls if some of them ends up being oppressed and face misogyny everyday, what's crazier for me is the boymoms, mothers who still birth sons and don't think that they would represent a danger for them and the entire demographic of women. i often think about suicide because i dont want to live in a world where i can get assaulted and everyone would think "yeah that's the usual thing" and no males would face any consequences, i dont want to live in a world where i can be seen as a "hysterical bigot bitch crazy woman" or something like that, i don't understand why we have to face such harsh treatment, i just think that catching the bus would be the only escape for me from all of this craziness, i just dont want to be part of this hell world anymore..
Anon, I sympathize greatly with your words. There is a lot that men have done and continue to do to us that leaves us rightfully aggrieved as we are, and the women who unfortunately stay ignorant to it all play a part in it as well even if they pretend they don't. It makes sense that you feel the way you do; it can be a lonely and isolating experience to wake up to the way of this patriarchal world, and a great many of us who have opened our eyes wish we could close them again. I'm very sorry to hear you were assaulted, and I understand perfectly where you're coming from as a fellow 6b4t lesbian. I want to say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with not interacting with individuals who don't fit your personal criteria; I've stopped talking to non-separatist, non-actual radical feminist women and my life is so much better and more positive as a result, even if my circle is comparatively small. Please take care of yourself, and know that there are likeminded women out there even if we are a minority.>>13912
I feel the same way. I wish they would simply own the fact that they only hate men in an abstract way instead of pretending it's at all on the same level as us. I also hate the spicy
straights who sexualize women because they don't know what authentic attraction to women looks like… it's disgusting and so clearly performative.
spicy straights trigger
me the most. it's always telling that they go on and on about how they think women are but never other men, while partnered to a man.
Shit like this sped up my balckpilling process. I want to remind you that Terri Strange was at a certain time one of the most recognizable radfems online and she's been calling herself a lesbian for years. Not even a polilez, just a lesbia. Reading Mary Daly and Scum manifesto on her streams, criticizing living with men and motherhood, talking about women loving only women. And calling herself an actual lesbian. Then, after years of calling herself a lesbian, a radfem and pro separatist, she openly started dating a non binary MOID who described himself as a satanist kek (who was mad ugly and older than her at that). She didn't apologize for calling herself a lesbian and not admitting she was a polilez the whole time. Now she doesn't even want to call herself a feminist. And of course she deleted her videos strongly related to lesbianism, moid hating, motherhood hating, separatism etc. I just can't grasp it. I just can't imagine going through all of this, having ALL that knowledge, and still, at the end, giving in.
I don't get it either. I guess the only thing you could speculate is that straight/bi women are more prone to dropping their beliefs in order to have a moid in their lives without experiencing cognitive dissonance.
I feel like this would happen less if there was an actual community for politically celibate straight women. Maybe seeing absolutely no one like you around leads to political lesbianism (repression) to try to match the scene and then an "i can't do it anymore" moment where everything goes out the window when they realize they can't change their sexuality, and they wind up not only ditching the lesbian label but the ideology they associated with that choice.
It feels like once you become aware of it, the pain never goes away. Realizing in your late 20s that most women your age (and people in general) have already set their life trajectory in a way that supports the status quo, as utterly insane and coming to an end as it clearly is. And realizing that so few people have the self-inertia to do anything differently. I feel like all I can do is rot in my bedroom and die. All I feel is unending heartache. I can't even describe it >>13956
Yes, it is impossible to do celibacy without a likeminded community, it's just unbearable. Being told to just suck it up and learn to be turned on by women is incredibly insulting as well. Thats the fucking clincher for me. Nobody cares, even polilez see separatism as erotic roleplay.
>>13958>Related to this retardation with het radfems is Lisa Michele a couple of weeks ago revealing that she was flirting with that male streamer who is engaged kek and allowed him to manipulate her
Holy shit are you for real? You mean that long haired guy with glasses? I remember seeing like two of their streams and I was like getting suspicious and even questioning why would she invite a guy, no matter how "supportive" for the cause, instead of inviting some interesting radfem/separatist/blackpill streamer, when there's a few. I would get it if it was done once, but it was more than that. I wouldn't get sus if the guy was gay, but he's not. Did she try some mental gymnastics to justify it? Like how and where did she even admit to it? Fuck sometimes I feel like I can't even trust any of those women unless they're actual lesbians. I can't even remember a non lesbian radfem that hasn't done something fishy once a "nice" scrote showed her a bit of attention and agreed with her on the basic bitch radfem theory 101. I won't lie about my orientation, I'm not a lesbian, but I never had any sexual experiences with moids, only with women, and I think I just know
too much to ever get close to a male. I had men being nice to me, I had men agreeing with me, showing me attention etc. I even saw men I objectively deemed attractive, I idealized them, but the moment I thinked about their actual dicks, and like actually being
with them in a day to day life, and sacrifcing my identity and bodily integrity, I felt disgusted. I just don't understand how, after achieving a certain amount of knowledge, you can still seek for male attention. Even if you're heterosexual. Maybe I can't understand them because I never got physically close to a moid so I don't even know what I "lost"? Is dick really that good? Like what is it that makes them so obsessed they ditch the radfem persona the moment a moid shows them attention? I start to think that most radfems are actually in it only because they have low self esteem and/or bad experiences with men and they want to meme themselves into not needing men, but deep down they still dream about an unicorn. This feels hopeless lel
Check her community tab. She also has (had? She may have privates it) a live discussing it in detail. Yes she did major backflips to make herself a big victim
and got pissed at anyone who was confused or asking why she didn’t know better or at least listen to the massive amount of commenters telling her they 1. Didn’t want to listen to a man on feminism and 2. That he acted more misogynistic and her pandering in their lives
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>>13963>I start to think that most radfems are actually in it only because they have low self esteem and/or bad experiences with men and they want to meme themselves into not needing men, but deep down they still dream about an unicorn
NTA, but I totally agree with this. Somewhat off topic but I've been thinking of another theory somewhat similar to this as well. I believe OSA radfems are largely only into radical feminism because they believe it'll create better men, and in turn, provide them with better partners. This isn't inherently a bad thing of course, I too wish men could be fully realized people with souls, but of course that could never be the reality, and such idealism really falls flat in the wake of SSA radical feminism which is more centered around the liberation of women. I'm not by any means saying that OSA women don't care about women in any capacity, but I believe that there's a reason why gencrit and anti-porn sentiments are the face of most radical feminist spaces in comparison to the abolishment of FGM, child marriage, and makeup/corset/femininity, which are hardly ever talked about. A majority of self identified radical feminists are OSA, so of course, the problems they deem more important will get the most attention. This is why they get so mad at the suggestion of separatism; who would have made OSAs think about all this in the first place if not their boyfriends/husbands?
what you hypothesize makes a lot of sense, I actually had a sort of "aha" moment about that just the other day but hadn't formulated it in my mind that neatly. Also your picrel kek, at least she got torn a new one for this>>13967
I just can't relate to women who are well-read on radical feminist topics and type KAM on the daily but still partner with a man. It just doesn't compute for me and is so frustrating to witness that tbh I don't even want to interact with OSA radfems who date/marry men anymore. I've only seen like two other politically celibate straight women in radfem spaces and it makes me feel incredibly isolated.
Hetfems who retort things like in your picrel to lesbians suggesting het celibacy are missing the point in a huge way. They see it as "you can have a relationship, so it's only fair if we can too!"
while ignoring the fact that a lesbian relationship is a completely different animal to a straight one and they will never be comparable. Yeah, it sucks that straight women, unlike lesbians, can't have a relationship that is compatible with radical feminism. That's not lesbian's fault though, and your jealousy will not change reality. I'm not articulating this very well but I hope you can see what I mean.
On the flipside, I see a lot of lesbians react very hostilely towards women who say they wish they were lesbians so they "wouldn't have to deal with men", by responding with "what, you really think lesbians don't face violence and mistreatment from men?????" when clearly that's not what they meant. Clearly what they mean is that they wish they could have an equal relationship where their partner sees them as human and is not a misogynist. It's a clumsy way to say that, and I don't really get the purpose of saying that to random lesbians (because like what do you want them to say?) but it's still obvious what they mean and purposefully misinterpreting it to start a flamewar seems just as pointless.
I wish there was a separatist space that was essentially like a Buddhist monastery and not revolving around peer pressuring straight women into becoming lesbians. I want to yeet all human sexuality into the sun. >>13971
The worst is when they just link you to some cheesy video about comp-het and say ~febfem is valid
>>13971>Hetfems who retort things like in your picrel to lesbians suggesting het celibacy are missing the point in a huge way. They see it as "you can have a relationship, so it's only fair if we can too!"
It's funny that you mention this, because I was browsing the WGTOW sub a few weeks ago when I saw some woman say that her perfect world would be a world without men and without lesbians. I was honestly disgusted, but it perfectly illustrates what I greentexted from you. That OSAs feel as though SSAs are, through suggestion of separatism, depriving them of something that SSAs have, which is 'unfair'. I wish I could shake some sense into OSAs, like, I have 0 risk of being raped and murdered if I'm in a relationship with a woman, meanwhile "woman murdered by husband" is a common story on the every day morning news program to the point that it doesn't even phase anyone anymore. THAT'S why we're pro-separatism. Because brutalization and abuse of women from male partners is not a rare occurrence, but a feature of het relationships.>>13972>not revolving around peer pressuring straight women into becoming lesbians.
Who is doing this? Literally who? And by what metric? Kek. >yeet
Ew. Go back.
>>13972>a separatist space not revolving around peer pressuring straight women into becoming lesbians
ayrt, sorry, i still don't understand. In my reply I asked where you were seeing that happen and you just replied by repeating what you already said (and what i was asking about in the first place). So again, I'm asking where are you seeing straight women being peer pressured into "becoming lesbians"? you second sentence seems to be suggesting the same thing>The worst is when they just link you [straight women?] to some cheesy video about comp-het and say ~febfem is valid UwU~
I have legitimately never seen that, or "peer pressured into becoming lesbians" in modern day rf spaces. I'm open to eating my hat but as it is right now it strikes me as a little weird that you're just repeating this like it's a common radfem sin when I've legitimately only seen nothing but pure disdain for political lesbianism from radfems
I'm not familiar with this woman at all - can any nonas chime in here and tell me if she explicitly called herself a lesbian in the specific sense of, "I am sexually attracted to women and women only,"?
I ask because back during the second wave apparently a good number of women were calling themselves lesbians and they meant they wanted to live a life that was NOT male centered and they were not indicating their actual sexual orientation.
Oh come on, occam's razor nonny
. You said yourself>back during the second wave apparently a good number of women were calling themselves lesbians and they meant they wanted to live a life that was NOT male centered and they were not indicating their actual sexual orientation.
That was many decades ago, and even you say "apparently" because most people don't even know of that interpretation of the word because it hasn't been used that way in about half a century. It's more likely she was just a polilez being a retard, as they are wont to do
still thought I would ask here anyway. if that one really was identifying as a full-blown lesbian and now this then - holy fuck. has anyone anywhere point blank asked her: hey, what the fuck, you said for years and as a grown woman, that you were homosexual and now you're with a male?
it's just so insane especially since she is doing all this in the public eye/online.
this isn't directed to solely the nona I'm replying to but while I'm on the topic, what is an political lesbian anyway? yes, I'm aware I can Google it but in a space like this I'm going to get more clarifying answers that are going to be the least disrespectful to lesbians.
has it always meant:>during the second wave apparently a good number of women were calling themselves lesbians and they meant they wanted to live a life that was NOT male centered and they were not indicating their actual sexual orientation
has the term evolved since? to my understanding a "political lesbian" is, what, a heterosexual or bisexual woman that is not a lesbian but deems herself as such for purity points or whatever the fuck?
and this is in good faith when I ask: can a woman be heterosexual yet be intimate with another woman?
sage just in case this derails too hard.
>>13983>my understanding a "political lesbian" is, what, a heterosexual or bisexual woman that is not a lesbian but deems herself as such for purity points or whatever the fuck?
Yeah, basically, although I think there's variation based on the person and their motivations. I followed this one woman who called herself a lesbian, who one day made a post criticizing gay people for using the "born this way" slogan, her reason being that she believed people can and do choose their sexuality and it's not innate. She wrote about how she thinks desire is socially constructed and that "sexuality" is a useless concept because sex is just a social behavior you can choose to do with anyone, and that women can just choose to start doing it with women instead. From what I recall, this generated lots of controversy which she defended intensely with many long responses but no one could ever quite pin down her definitions and it all seemed quite slippery and postmodern imo. She also never actually posted about having been in a relationship or having sex with women, just a lot of academic sounding essays.
>I ask: can a woman be heterosexual yet be intimate with another woman?
I mean technically yes, I suppose. What a heterosexual woman is getting out of the experience has to be totally different, though. I could theoretically imagine choosing to be intimate with a woman for some sort of skinship bonding thing where the headspace is different than sexual desire. Anyone who has ever felt sexual attraction knows exactly what it feels like, a burning drive in your core that makes your heart rate go up. A skinship-bonding version of intimacy between straight women I would imagine to be a much calmer and more subdued affair. I don't think it would be wrong to do as long as both parties consent, but it's not the same as fucking (to be crude)
thank you, I appreciate the open engagement.
honestly, with the first part of your post I do
think a lot of things we do in life are installed narratives placed by society that are then followed along with. what would friendships, bonding, relationships, mating for life look like without a preestablished narrative of what those things look like? whatever else was up with the person you mention and at risk of sounding like I'm a fucking PoMo nothing-is-real type - the born this way thing has not been beyond proven. people will read what I just typed and think I am saying orientation is not real or someone can alter their attraction. no. it is technically true someone can simply do sexual things with another regardless of what is inside of them (read: their innate attractions). perhaps this person was the same one I once saw online that criticized the born this way take because, in her words, she was saying that whether we are born this way or not shouldn't matter - we shouldn't have to "justify" it as in: we can't help it, so we should be allowed to be with our own sex. she was getting at that women should have zero issues should they choose to be with other women regardless of how much orientation is inborn. however, I disagree with her after that point - I think our deep down, magnetic "pull" we feel toward a human body type cannot be chosen or changed.
what black pills me is that so many women are afraid to "go there" mentally - meaning, they are too afraid to broach certain taboo topics even in online discussions. there is an intense mental surveillance installed into women's minds that make them unconsciously follow "morality" even though morality has been primarily modeled off of what males think it ought to be. yes, women are more "moral" overall but it is very convenient that women are playing along with these rules of morality when males rarely are despite them implementing their version of what that means in the first place. I would sum up what I'm describing as this lack of fearlessness in women to mentally question something, that goes so far as to make her unaware that she is refusing to dare to question in the first place. nothing should be off limits to question.
neat word; learned something new.
as for the second part of your post: there's the rub. if a woman seeks out intimacy with her own sex does that inherently demand that she was not heterosexual to begin with?
in my opinion conditions in our world are not much better than an open air prison when it comes to women and them making or having choices. when two males in a literal prison have sexual relations does that inherently make them not heterosexual? I believe all women are in a special kind of prison. and for the majority of them their desired type is depressingly dismal when they attempt to be in a relationship with them.
going further - was it a male that invented the concept of the sexual orientation to begin with? again, I am not saying that magnetic, sexual pull one feels to their desired type is a falsehood. I am saying how we interpret that pull and/or respond to it is also enmeshed in societal narratives the same as anything else is (and which sex laid down the rules of human civilization?).
I do feel all of this is relevant when there is a repeated pattern of "lesbians" that identify as feminist who after some number of years abruptly veer toward being with a male. because of that, there needs to be a baseline established; what is orientation, what is a political lesbian and so on.
>>13986>I think our deep down, magnetic "pull" we feel toward a human body type cannot be chosen or changed.
I disagree with this personally. I think sexual orientation is malleable and always on a spectrum like how trannies argue they are women on a spectrum lel. In saying this, arguing this would give rise to retard moids weaponizing conversion therapy against lesbians and likely gay moids so I would never argue this openly.
It's apparent that attraction is complex and more than vagina and penis as well as the bodies those organs are attached to. I think using clear language is best to describe this it's not a magnetic "pull" and it's not "burning desire", or whatever the previous anon said about sexual attraction. By default I believe everyone to be bisexual with leanings, I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but arguing het women are attracted to moids due to some woowoo mystical innate attraction to "their bodies" nebulously instead of the more obvious biological urge of reproduction while ignoring moid violence is harmful. Lesbians and gay people are a minority due to this, but strangely and conveniently people often ignore that bisexuality is the most observed sexual behavior in the animal kingdom. I'd assume bisexuality is the majority because of the purpose of kinship while maintaining the capacity for reproduction. Sexual orientation has always meant subjugating another person for moids historically. It doesn't matter if that other person is female but it's highly recommended that it is in order to fully dehumanize the "other". Sexual orientation is a larp for males who are all gay for each other as bisexuals but prefer to degrade the other, while I believe women temper their bisexual behavior and attraction and obviously have much more control over it. There is no degrading "kick" or benefit that a woman gets out of dating and sexual activity with another women for example.
>>13988>arguing het women are attracted to moids due to some woowoo mystical innate attraction to "their bodies" nebulously instead of the more obvious biological urge of reproduction while ignoring moid violence is harmful.
I was using the most accurate language I could come up with; I don't feel attracted to males because of something woo-woo nor do I feel anything remotely consciously with regard to reproductive urges. I was explaining I do feel a sort of magnetic pull when I see one with an attractive face/body. I want to keep looking at them and want to physically gravitate toward them. that's not mystical or spiritual. in speaking for myself I certainty am not saying that attraction is experienced identically for other females. I can't recall hearing about how other women experience attraction specifically and in my view that doesn't do us any favors.
I can't say I agree with your take but anyway I find this is good to generate an actual discussion. I think there is a profound level of dogmatic or rigid thinking that limits most women's thoughts pertaining to just about every topic.
Nta but this is a complex topic, studia show there's no single gene but multiple genes responsible for homosexual behavior. I've never seen a documented case of an exclusively homosexual animal in the wild, only animals showing homosexual behaviors (alongside with heterosexual behaviors). Where's the scientific proof that we are born with solid sexual orientation that's exclusively
straight or exclusively
gay? I'm asking out of curiosity as a virgin and not interested in engaging sexually with women or men kek, I'm not on anyone's "side", I consider human biology too disgusting to ever have sex with anyone
Give me a fucking break. Yup, all gays are secretly also heterosexual because um, understudied animal behavior and I’m
bisexual so everyone else must be too. And you wonder why straight women and lesbians alike hate your asses. You sound just like TRAs with “genitals don’t matter, everyone can be attracted to anyone!” It absolutely does not fucking matter if sexual orientation is inborn or not, because the fact of the matter is at a certain point in childhood or adolescence it is formed and for most people does not change. It is incredibly offensive and condescending to tell gay (and straight, even) people that they don’t understand their own experiences and are just in denial, unable to face discussing “taboo” topics.
I at one point tried to force myself to be attracted to women due to my radfem views and lack of celibate straight peers, and it did not work. I had all the motivation in the world to dig up and discover some secret gay part of myself. I tried thinking about it a million different ways to get myself attracted to women. I wanted it. But in the end I could not deny that I do not have any attraction to women.
The same process can be said for gay people growing up gay, trying to convince themselves they’re straight. They have all the motivation in the world to discover some secret “straight” part of themselves to avoid abuse, isolation, and hardship from society. But they too realize they just do not have any attraction to the opposite sex.
To tell us, after these lived experiences, that we just haven’t looked deep enough into ourselves to realize our true bisexual nature is laughable and offensive. This is why people are hostile to you, not because they’re just too far in denial to accept your enlightened bisexual theories.
This entire conversation has blackpilled me further.
>>13988>By default I believe everyone to be bisexual with leanings
Good for you that you're bisexual I guess, but this is absolutely not the case, kek. This egocentric, narcissistic 'theory' of yours is absolutely absurd. I would literally rather kill myself than ever have sex with a man, not because I have a ~really strong lean~ for women, but because I'm exclusively homosexual and men physically and emotionally repulse me. Retarded bisexuals like you are what give trannies the wind in their sails and make them feel even more entitled to lesbian spaces. Are you going to suggest lesbians haven't tried the right dick yet, next? >Sexual orientation has always meant subjugating another person for moids>It doesn't matter if that other person is female but it's highly recommended that it is in order to fully dehumanize the "other".>There is no degrading "kick" or benefit that a woman gets out of dating and sexual activity with another women for example.
You're an actual schizo. Get help. I'm almost relieved to know that you have not a singular idea how actual homosexuality operates, because it means you've stayed far the fuck away from lesbians and thank god for that.
Similar to >>14016
, I have done everything for YEARS to try to ignite some secret bisexual urge within me. I would look at male celebrities and try to determine which were the least repulsive and who seemed the most tolerable and try to fantasize about holding their hand. Kissing them. I would feel visceral disgust time and time again, and it didn't matter what man I thought about. Even thinking up the "perfect man" did nothing for me, because he was still male. He could be the nicest, sweetest, funniest, most intelligent, non-misogynistic man and I could never be attracted to him. And when it comes to penis, I feel violated just thinking about it. If I were to ever have sex with a man under any circumstance, even just touching or looking at him sexually, it would always feel like rape, or at the very least a violation of my boundaries. It would traumatize me. It would be worse than death, and I don't say that lightly. I and every lesbian I know would rather die than be sexually intimate with men. For you to suggest that everyone is actually bisexual because some zookeeper never made a documentary about a gay penguin's exclusive homosexual life makes me laugh. Keep this in mind next time homosexuals are uncomfortable with you in their spaces. You've earned your hatred and negative reputation.
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I read exactly what you wrote. In the first part you said that you think every person is bisexual in some way (like animals), which would by logic include yourself unless you are an alien. In the second part you seem to imply you're asexual, in which case your input on straight and gay people's sexual orientation is out of touch and irrelevant in the opposite way.>>14017
second ayrt, based nonny
. I'm hand-shaking you across the isle. Any single-sex attracted person who's tried to meme themselves into being bisexual and failed knows these postmodern bullshit theories are a bunch of nonsense.
I don't go on twitter at all but it seems like the "radfem" space there is a complete and utter reactionary joke with no connection to actual radfem ideals. Also the @…"radfem barbie" the "radfem mom"? attention seeking edgy larper to the max
>>14031>I don't think gay people can be bisexual
Okay, but then you say>exclusively homosexual animals haven't been documented whether you want it or not
which seems to suggest you're arguing exclusive homosexuality does not exist, which conflicts with your first statement. Which is it, then? You can't argue both.
i haven't read the full argument but >I think that many people who call themselves straight would engage in homo sex under certain circumstances or/and if the society completely normalized same sex relationships.
sure, but i don't think that makes them gay/bi/signifies an actual attraction to the opposite sex. you mentioned prison gays…i mean yeah it's homosexual behavior, but those men are just desperate and horny to get off any way they can; doesn't mean they're actually bi, or attracted to men.
i'm really not eloquent enough to get this point across but there's a difference imo between being homosexual and exhibiting homosexual behavior. prison gays will fuck one another, women might make out with other women during parties – both sexes will do gay stuff, if it makes them feel "good" – but will those people settle down forever with a member of the same sex? probably not
>>14035>yeah it's homosexual behavior, but those men are just desperate and horny to get off any way they can; doesn't mean they're actually bi, or attracted to men>both sexes will do gay stuff, if it makes them feel "good"
But that means they're not actually totally straight. Do you think an actual lesbian would engage in heterosexual sex because it makes her feel good
and there's no women around? No. An actually straight man/woman would not engage in homosexual sex.
>>13966>there's a reason why gencrit and anti-porn sentiments are the face of most radical feminist spaces in comparison to the abolishment of FGM, child marriage, and makeup/corset/femininity
Maybe because porn and troonery are some of the main issues that other feminists don't talk about in Western countries? (I think makeup/femininity is actually another common topic among radfems). All feminists are against FGM and child marriage, it's not specific to radfems, and it happens mostly in non-Western countries nowadays, so you can rarely do anything about it yourself, except by helping/donating to specialized organizations. Not sure where corsets are the main problem women face. >who would have made OSAs think about all this in the first place if not their boyfriends/husbands?
Your argument may work with porn, but gencrit? How are women defending female-only spaces with their husbands in mind or in hope of finding a better partner? Do you think "OSAs" were also asking for bank accounts, education, political rights, reproductive rights etc. with their husbands in mind? "I'm not by any means saying that OSA women don't care about women in any capacity" is such a comical and pretentious statement when you see all the things OSA women have accomplished until now, even if you think that they aren't Real Feminists like SSA women.>>14031>Most animals engage in bisexual behaviors whether you want it or not. It is documented, unlike exclusively homosexual animals.
Comparing humans to other animals is rarely ever a good argument. You can argue literally anything with that, and animals also have behaviors that we don't. When we see two males raising a baby or humping each other to assert dominance, we project some kind of romantic relationship or sexual attraction on them to "prove" that homosexuality also exists in other animals, but then the same males go on to reproduce with females like their instinct tells them to so yeah. Homosexuality is documented in humans and it's enough. I agree that there are people who aren't 100% straight or gay (I agree with this >>14037
) but yeah it's not everyone
NTA but I wouldn't be surprised that, seeing as how sexuality seems to function differently in males versus females, sexuality between those that are het. would function differently from those that are homosexual.
if you have a female bestie that's already fun to be around that doesn't refuse to see your humanity - kissing could be pleasant even lacking attraction to her (female) body. a lesbian doing the inverse of that with a male is inherently dangerous for her and - take it from me - even when males are fucking hot their personalities are always atrocious.
or if not for the basic safety logistics as described above then perhaps homosexuals are more specific, pointed, in their desires compared to heterosexuals; a true divergence from heterosexuals.
all of this rests upon how one defines orientation. is it your outward bodily actions or is it your internal draw toward another body that you feel that is the deciding factor? people can look into the past and identify someone that was a closeted/suppressed homosexual that never had the (safe) opportunity to have a desired relationship or sex. and even still, one can tell that that person was homosexual despite the lack of sex/relationship.
if anyone has intimacy with their own sex does that necessitate they are not
heterosexual? in my experience - no. I do think it is possible to have homosexual relations while being het.
as long as all involved are honest with themselves and each other I truly give not a fuck about this. maybe if Terri Strange had been she wouldn't be publicly humiliating herself as she is now. enough of those calling themselves lesbians when their true orientation is not that way. more platonic female life mates or het. females doing what they want to with their besties even if they are "breaking the rules."
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(picrel is not a "proof", it just something I stumbled upon today and made me think about an actual documented phenomenon and our socialization in general)
Sometimes I think, what if we (I mean women who are blackpilled, pro separatist, anti nuclear family etc.) really are just nlogs? By which I mean we are just exceptions proving the rule. We are indeed different than other women and we just project onto other women and hope they're actually like us, just brainwashed by socialization. I know that even here it may be too controversial to say, but I think that it's true that most, not all but most, women are more interested in people and socialization, while men are interested in objects and machinery, and "traditional" female roles are not just socialization. How do you explain the fact that in more egalitarian places, like scandinavian countries, women gravitate towards more traditional, caregiving, social roles? How do you explain the fact that more gender equal countries produce comparatively fewer women in the STEM fields? How do you explain the fact that more women study science and tech in countries with less gender-progressive policieshttps://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797617741719?journalCode=pssa
According to studies, Algeria is the country with the highest proportion of women graduates in engineering in the world. Is Algeria less sexist than Sweden?
I don't like this but I just don't see any logical explanation for it. I feel really alone because I know statistically there's a small amount of women like me, totally not interested in caregiving (unless caring for my romantic partner), community, family, children, any activity related to traditional femininity, dating men etc. I still feel traumatized from my female family members treating me like a freak for not "behaving like a girl". I had doctors telling me I will never become a wife and a mother if I kept "behaving like this". My mother being openly aggressive towards me because the only way she tried to bond with me was through feminine rituals like make up and feminine clothes and I never wanted that, she also hated me for not caring about male attention, she would literally point out to me that a guy on the street stared at me, and upon seeing me brushing it off and not caring, she would look at me with disgust or ridicule me and tell me I should become a nun. I was 15. She would scream at me and tell me I behave like a "dyke" or like a man. Growing up with such mother was traumatic for many reasons, she was abusive
in many ways but I only want to bring here the parts which are relevant to the topic, so I won't get into other stuff. Also, she wasn't the only female enabler of patriarchy in my life.
Receiving signals like "you don't behave like a girl" since I was fucking 4 years old was what greatly influenced my dysphoria, on top of being autistic, and convinced me I must have "male brain". There's no possible way I'm a girl if ALL FEMALES in my close environment reject me, and I can find a common ground only with little boys (although I quickly discovered that some of them were also terrible and sadistic). Of course, now I can say I was just very unlucky to grow around such people, and that doesn't mean much, besides bad luck, right? But if socialization is the only
reason most women behave a certain way, why, despite receiving the same socialization as the typically feminine girls, I turned out totally different than them? Why those typically feminine girls liked taking care of life-sized baby dolls and playing doll house and dressing feminine and I immediately reacted with strong rejection whenever someone tried to introduce me to such things? Same goes for every non conforming girl. I really start to think there has to be at least some biological compotent to our differences.
I've seen women openly admit they would prefer to be stay at home wives and mothers but they have to work because in the current economy it's usually not possible to support a family from one income. I still wonder, how many women work because they actually want to work, and how many of them do it simply because they have to?
Nowhere I say that most women aren't capable
of doing masculine things, like fixing machines and shit. Women proved many times they're capable, including situations when scrotes were waging wars with each other and women had to fill some of the positions traditionally occupied by men. But there's a difference between beeing capable
of something, and actually wanting
to do it. And I'm honesly at the point where I know women are
perfectly capable of doing traditionally male stuff, but the majority of them naturally prefer traditionally feminine stuff, as long as they are free to choose. All of this leaves me sad but also determined because I know there's no point in trying to change other women. We just have to focus on women who are actually like us and who want the same things. Of course it's harder to find them because of how much smaller their population is, but at least it's a clear goal.
>>14075>on top of being autistic, and convinced me I must have "male brain"
Autistic women are known to struggle especially hard with gender conformity and feel less identification with women as a group. I also have never felt kinship with other women due to not being or dressing feminine, and although I'm not sure I'm autistic, I know I'm neurodivergent. Gender nonconformity is very common in ND women, but there are definitely other tomboys/GNC women out there that aren't.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223803/>How do you explain the fact that in more egalitarian places, like scandinavian countries, women gravitate towards more traditional, caregiving, social roles? How do you explain the fact that more gender equal countries produce comparatively fewer women in the STEM fields? How do you explain the fact that more women study science and tech in countries with less gender-progressive policies
There are so many factors that play into something like this. You're going to first have to be more specific about what 'gender equal' means in the first place. Do you mean there's a closed wage gap? Better economy? If so, that would explain why women feel more comfortable taking on caretaker roles in Sweden/scandinavian countries. They don't have to have a typically higher paying job since they wouldn't need to be breadwinners and pull more money. Plus, men of all societies refuse the role of caregiver, meaning, the role of nannies and babysitters and the like would be picked up more by women. Not because women are swarming to take those jobs, but simply because men don't want any part in them. You can't have a high amount of men in a field that they choose not to participate in. You have to remember also that even in countries that pay women more equally, we still live in an entirely patriarchal world. We all still suffer from socialization no matter where we are. I'll have to find the link, but there was a longitudinal study that wanted to explain the sex based differences in mathematical performance and the "disadvantage" women have (and subsequent lack of interest in mathematics/technical fields) and it turns out it's simply early projection from Math teachers. The study followed both girl and boy preschoolers, and in the end of the first and third year of elementary school, females were performing way worse. Both males and females have the same neural activation when it comes to understanding how numbers work, but the lack of good performance correlated significantly with the way teachers viewed female students. And mostly female teachers had a worse impact because they feared girls were naturally worse, so they implicitly/explicitly projected it onto them, by not letting girls speak, not encouraging them. There is no fundamental biological differences when it comes to math and science and the like, we just live in a shit world run by the filthier sex.
Just to give you some perspective on yourself here, you are using two moids from a youtube comment section and a study that had it's methods criticized (they were not being transparent about them) and then had to issue corrections about it. This article lays out in layman's terms what is wrong with it https://slate.com/technology/2020/02/women-stem-innate-disinterest-debunked.html
for example,>"In Algeria, 53 percent of STEM graduates are women [by nature of there being more women than men in college there, btw]. Still, only 9 percent of women college graduates choose a degree in STEM, compared with 13 percent of men. Stoet and Geary had claimed that they were reporting the 53 percent number, but they were actually focusing on the statistic that men were receiving degrees in STEM at a higher rate [which is counter to their entire argument]."
and this is a follow up by other researchers that found issues that persist even after the "corrections" issued by the paper's authors and also gets into the fundamental flaws in the assumptions made by the authors https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/srichard/files/richardson_et_al_gender_equality_paradox.pdf
This is a basic case of grown male researchers discarding the fundamental idea "correlation does not equal causation," and also manipulating data to generate a stronger correlation than actually exists in the first place, so double whammy on the retard scale>>14079>even in countries that pay women more equally, we still live in an entirely patriarchal world. We all still suffer from socialization no matter where we are.
Exactly. Not to mention than anthropologically every different society has its own set of anti-female socialization that you have to look into and that plays out in different ways, so making broad, sweeping statements based on numerical equality data alone insufficient and misguided. This study gets into that https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7733804/
I just do not understand the angst over many/most women not being keen on engineering or things such as that. angst over being raised cruelly for not fitting into stupid feminine ideals, yes, that I understand. angst over not finding many others like you - sure, I understand that as well. angst that women are not enthused to pursue highly mathematical careers - that escapes me.
all of the advanced technologies of the current day are essentially destroying the planet. I can understand why women want to return to simple living. it's not like most moids do engineering either.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of women with "black pill" takes that are autistic and/or have slightly higher testosterone levels (PCOS or something similar).
besides simply not feeling interested in STEM there's probably another component to it. numbers won't talk to you, keep you company, share body heat with you, won't protect you. what will is having some sort of community with others.
>>14075>I still wonder, how many women work because they actually want to work, and how many of them do it simply because they have to?
Many people, regardless of sex, only work because they have to. Unless you're already rich, there's a high price to pay to avoid working. If it was truly women's "nature" to prefer to be stay-at-home moms, why did they fight (or still fight) for the right to choose? If it was just a matter of principle, why didn't they keep their traditional role even after they had been given the right to choose? They probably didn't expect that in addition to having a full-time job, they would still be the primary caregiver and cleaner though, which is why some women may be backtracking, but it doesn't seem to be a major phenomenon anywhere.
If men rarely ever care for young children and the elderly, while a good number of women do, it makes sense that women are overrepresented in caregiving fields, but that doesn't mean that the majority of women want to be teachers or nurses. In my country (Western Europe), women make up 44% of physicians and over 60% of students in life sciences and law for example - fields that would have been considered masculine in the past. Ultimately, I don't think it's a problem if men and women aren't perfectly equally represented everywhere, as long as women aren't brainwashed about their abilities and choices, but it's often still the case. Also, I don't think it's "bad" that a lot of women care about others, the question is why is it only expected of them and almost perceived negatively despite being crucial to society?
As far as socialization goes, it's not just about how we are raised by our parents, it's everything around us. Even if you aren't "feminine", that doesn't mean you would behave like a man in social situations, because even girls who have masculine interests are never treated or seen as men by the rest of society. I had my "NLOG" phase as a teenager, but then I met women who were like me, or had the same interests as me even though they were also feminine or had other feminine interests. I think a lot of people (regardless of sex) don't really question the world around them, their socialization, gender stereotypes, beauty standards, etc. and it can be disheartening to talk to women like that, but that doesn't mean they don't have distinct personalities, interests and careers. Personally, I don't like the idea that women who are less feminine are NLOGs, especially if there's some vague biological argument behind it that would end up being detrimental to all women. It is clear that women are pushed to act and look hyperfeminine far beyond any biological inclination to act and look a certain way, to the point where a lot of them obsess or become mentally ill over their appearance, age and weight. There are entire industries that rely on women being "feminine", it is impossible that we aren't at least partially influenced to be that way.
women in the West are regressing (if you want to term it that way) regarding the whole don't want to work because under hypercapitalism they're grinding themselves to dust for careers that not giving them the quality of living that they had in mind. add in that they're still pressured to take care of the household and the end result is them thinking: what the fuck is all of this (working) for, then?
if the quality of living from their earnings was present enough none of them would be flirting with the idea of "dropping out."
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remember that everyone fucking hates you and even being horrifically murdered doesn't save you from being branded a cunt who deserved it
Don't know if i'm blackpilled in the tradicional sense but i gave up hope long time ago I already saw what reducing male population does to a society. (spoiler: male worship skyrockets, the gene pool desintegrates, women actually become bangmaid broodmares with no way to scape)there is no answer to the moid question, it doesnt matter how much autists here whine about it. Liberation as a colective is not possible at all. I don't know if it's biological coded and actually it doesnt matter at all. Science was compromised long term ago so probably we will never know and thar doesnt matter if the result is the same: there is no answer>>14114>Abelism
Anyone who uses that meme word is hopeless tbh. Unless they're talking about how society makes literally impossible to salve mentally ill women from their impossed fates, because they need them as an stock class for anything Undesirable and keep things running.
Otherwise they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Paraguay. Males were whipped down in wars,with some critical moments of losing almost half of the male population and nowdays is almost an androcracy with a persistent male worship culture even for LATAM standards. Boymoms there would make regular boymoms shiver. In fact thats the whole problem, mothers worshipied the few remaining male children once the wars were over and never stopped (it doesnt matter that nowdays they have a somewhat healthy balance between males and females, old habits die hard i guess) Maybe thats the blackpill, as long as boymoms exist & there is no female liberation possible.
The dramatic reduction of moids only leads to spoiled-to-death bugmales with harems, not female liberation.
Idk if this will make anyone feel better, but I'm half blackpill half libfem. Hear me out–drop the radfem savior complex in trying to "liberate all women," but still get involved in some type of activism to at least change laws to help trickle down change in society (i.e. actual liberal feminism and not the caricature that is used as a scapegoat by everyone). In the end, I am still a woman and will be affected by whatever social and political changes are going to be made. We truly have come a long way and have to celebrate the Ws we have in the US–we can live alone, we can forgo marriage and having to rely on a male for roof and shelter, we can enter lucrative careers, and open our own bank accounts and have our own credit cards. Idgaf, this is one of the most important developments for women here. Women in other countries cannot even do a lot of this shit, they quite literally are handed from their fathers to their husbands. Idgaf if some stupid hoes needlessly cripple themselves despite several generations of feminism in the US. I know damn well I benefitted and will continue to benefit from feminism and any general efforts to liberate women through political change.
Patriarchy and all its little minions like abrahamic religions are thousands of years old, and it doesn't help that males have tard strength to help them enforce this shit. Getting rid of it is not going to happen overnight or in a few generations. I don't know if there will ever be a mass awakening for women. And tbh, I don't care. I fight for myself first and foremost with likeminded women in a close second place which is enough for me.
Didn't admin literally say /2X/ would be hidden because of trolling newfags who post in /2X/ have started leaking onto new boards?
These anons who call everyone dick eaters, cock breath, whore, etc. Are finally getting /2X/ hidden which I'm sure they're very much proud of since those types are usually antifeminists so getting a feminist board finally shut down must have been their goal all along.
Misogynistic femcels don't reply to me and try to explain your misogyny, I won't read your replies and once this board is hidden again, you guys will probably leave off to reddit or any other platform to shit on women there.
I'm talking about the blackpill trolls who posted in unpopular opinions thread, femcel. Because they carried out their blackpill attitude to other boards, admin is now going to lock /2X/. You should go fix your reading comprehension before you try to argue. Maybe get your autism fixed or something first.
And anons in this thread did use prostitute, whore, etc misogynistic words so don't act like you guys are innocent. I'm sure you're happy you're getting a feminist board removed though. That was the plan all along since most new posters in /2X/ admit they disagree with most feminism
nta but come on there was a big debate itt that lasted several days over anons calling women prostitutes, dick worshiper, addicted to dick etc., whichever side you're on let's not bring it back.>>14191
honestly a sane take.
I also liked this board before it got public because most posts made sense even though there was barely a post a day. When this board got public, it got spammed to oblivion by obvious newfags, we never had "blackpill feminists" who attacked women this much before /2X/ became a visible board, that's why I think this board attracted them as they can be freely misogynistic towards women and hide it behind blackpill ideology.
Also this level of infighting we see in /ot/ nowadays definitely wasn't around before this board got made public. I've seen a lot of people advertise lolcow on other social media platforms, saying it's some kind of a based femcel space so I'm not shocked at the weirdos we got recently. >>14205
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This is why I will never see women as a victims. The bitches here who's bp isn't "men and women are two sides of the same coin and the patriarchy is natural and eternal" can fuck off. The patriarchy is natural, that's why the bp isn't appropriate to talk about here and in forums. Etc. It creates a conflict caused by guess what! The patriarchy being natural. Figure it out. And how can't you not see women as a animals anyway, they give bjs everyday to men like a disgusting retarded subhumans worshipping sodomy which they have the audacity to defend in radfem communities. "But muh women desires!!" Women desires are disgusting then, all those rape links degradation kinks, being on all fours, sucking off male genitals…
"Muh but female socialization!!"
No. It's female nature, it's rather humans nature thats brainwashing us to obey the patriarchy and punishes us for not doing it than just some patriarchy coming from other source. Look at radfem communities and how they socialize.
Male or female nature… A patriarchy. And it manifests itself as the patriarchy y'all or the radfem whores talk about bcThat "created just by men!!!"(men are violent so guess what!! It gets out of control but just bc women aren't violated doesn't mean their nature isn't dark too). And btw, women NATURALLY have more empathy for men and hold us to higher standards than them and female competition is natural so you all can fuck off with demonizing us. You probably love males or spread your cunt for them anyway, it makes me feel humiliated to be treated like this while men are sucked fucked empathized with loved and respected somehow.(malding scrote)
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Just saying it's funny to use a roleplaying teen on TikTok to explain why women aren't victims
. But I'm not even trying to disagree with you tbh. If women are just as bad as men, not victims
but animals, patriarchy is natural etc then women get what they deserve and there's no possible liberation/peaking because it's what they want. So you can't blame them for what they're doing because it's just natural and there's no reason to be mad. Case closed, feminism solved.
Humans nature is intentional and they aren't just a body with no brain, they have a consciousness and can choose not to engage in shit, so yes they are to blame. We as a being with a consciousness don't deserve bad shit but I'm just saying that women nature as just a body is patriarchal as fuck because it's about submission or moids dominance. Look at het sex
Women are designed for it. This is who they are physically.
You don't have to go on tiktok to get a ss from tiktok.
Posting a ss also doesn't mean that someone is basing their whole point on just this one ss.
Calling out women is normal, we make mistakes but these new "blackpill feminsits" like >>14211 always use clearly incelspeak when they get upset, it's like a bunch of incels/misogynistic women trying to make feminists look bad by using misogynistic insults towards women in the name of "feminism"
You're not blackpilled if you tell a woman to break up with her shitty bf, you're just a sensible smart woman.
Samefag as >>14207
and I told you guys lolcow was being advertised on tiktok as a femcel website, posters like this tiktok-fag prove my point. Most of them seem like underage misogynistic girls who think they're edgy for posting here.
lolcow is advertised on tiktok ? i thought everyone would hate it bc its "le evil terf
Don't backtrack, retard. You didn't specify it was in the unpopular opinions thread.
Caught you lying again.
No I saw it get posted in comments by several underage girls, recommending it to underage girls. Usually under "femcel" or "black beauty" type of videos like the tiktok-fag itt posted.>>14249
The topic was the infight in unpopular opinions and an anon literally called someone a misogynistic insult afterwards, no matter how hard you cope you'll never be a blackpilled edgy girl like you dream of, you'll forever be a weird outcast. Blackpill-cels are even outcasts on lolcow, everyone on /ot/ hates you and admin is gonna hide /2X/ cause of you.
They think in black and white. They assume every anon who uses lolcow is a loser like themselves and also believe anyone who has a bf is a gold digger evil stacy. They're obviously incels.>>14259
You guys are the reason a feminist board is getting hidden and you're obviously proud of it. You're just antifeminist tradhoes you guys calling sexually active women slurs is just another proof, the only difference is you're the autistic ones who can't get a man.
i understand that you've been rejected and pressured due to being autistic, but things like this>plus you have to worry about them liking you back. I know it makes no sense to you, but that's my life.
seem a bit out of touch with reality. it is actually a very common fear, and a lot of people that are shy/introverted/not good with physical affection/like to live alone etc stay celibate "late" if not forever. it also seemed a bit hypocritical to criticize women for wanting to be in relationships (for any reason, including the same bs you've heard when you were younger) when you yourself experienced that despite not even being attracted to men. you can understand at least a bit where they're coming from, but you were able to take a step back and realize that it would not actually be beneficial or compatible with you, and that's something more women should realize, yes.
Fuck off mean girl, go be a bj giving whore irl.
>comparing women to incels
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>"why men keep assuming all women have a degradation kink!"
>engages in the most degrading patriarchal act and proceeds to mention it publicly
That's a public humiliation kink.
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What are you talking about schizo. If you have nothing intelligent to say then don't say anything at all.
You've been raging at this thread long enough and inb4 you go on a weird tirade about how much you hate autistic women or "jealous ugly bitches" no one cares fatty. Go back to the relationship advice thread.
ayrt, men are socialized to:>be confident>be individualistic>be stoic/mentally strong>be pragmatic>be honest/blunt>have courage>externalize all blame>are taught that they're the most important and the world belongs to them (which is basically true)
women are socialized to:>put other people's needs first>be a caretaker>be everyone's therapist>be weak willed and complacent>be conflict avoidant even when it gets in the way of solving problems>have an endless amount of empathy at the expense of common sense>feel inferior>base their self-worth on outside feedback/validation>internalize blame (even when something is not their fault)
i'm not saying that all men are like that or all women are like that, just that society expects them to be that way. male socialization hurts other people but helps them. women's socialization helps other people but it hurts them. i don't think that being a martyr is "better", i think it's just sad.
Nta but women itt constantly complain about being called cocksuckers
, which is clearly triggering
them, despite the fact that what they stand for and what they defend is far more damaging for women on the big scale than just calling someone names lol
Cope bitch. Someone talking about humans degeneracy doesn't make them a degenerate. Maybe human sexuality is just traumatic and it's not a crime to talk about it, only whores get mad and make us bare the consequences of them being whores this way.>>14317
>don't get how supposedly blackpilled anons seem to see men's nature in a more positive light than women's
Nobody here sees them in that way kinda ot but maybe if men are evil and women nature is to suck fuck and love them then they are evil too and are not detached from this material reality. They are on the same level especially through heterosexuality that is literally a female degradation. If men are tyrants then what are women who suck them?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
The blackpill subreddit was archived: https://www.itsafetish.org/archives/blackpillfeminism/
But I agree with this, having an active archive for all this content would at least move the conversation forward instead rehashing the same ideas every couple of years in different spaces.
A former pinkpill.co user wrote something about quick setups here: https://letsdecentralize.org/
(these last 2 paragraphs of her blog post are also relevant: https://mayvaneday.org/blog/2022/october/ovarit.html
seems like a no-brainer, just observation backs that up. I can get behind that.>>14430>"feminism is a hopeless cause" because women are also biologically programmed to accept the status quo.
with our presence being here, now, discussing these things
plus how much effort is extended to mind-warp women's minds and keep them financially lagging behind I don't see it. they wouldn't need to put forth all that effort to program girls/women if it was totally natural in us.
we also wouldn't be upset when we got mistreated by XY.
there are two general tenets:>male violence is biological and men are ultimately misogynistic because of nature, not socialization>women's liberation is never coming and patriarchy will always exist
I don't think biologically essentialist views of women are necessarily part of the blackpill label, but as many blackpillers build anger and feel misogynistic towards most women, they may adopt them. Also thinking men are violent by nature doesn't necessarily mean they believe women are programmed to take violence up by nature.
Yes you're right. Blackpill is about a bunch of whores coming together to:> complain about men> talk about dating strategy> never acknowledge or reject the biological patriarchy cause it offends their feelings to reject it or acknowledge it> deny that heterosexual relationships are naturally degrading, prostitution and patriarchy as opposed to saying men turned heterosexual relationships into those things somehow someway just as they hijacked women and turned them into handmaidens with the patriarchy they created that brainwashed women so now blackpillers can show sympathy to women because they are a victims who just need to be peaked.> police each other > to act exactly like the radical feminists act: punish other women for not being polite and servile, accuse blackp- oh I mean non-whore women of being autistic, mentally ill, not feminine enough, misogynistic, unwashed, not well adjusted and jealous femcels who wanna steal their boyfriends because they can't get a man irl> allow women who fuck/ed men to call themselves blackpilled> say women won't stop having sex cause its a natural need so we should talk about dating strategy and feminism and help women
That's why blackpilled spaces are so blackpi- I mean make the non whore women feel even more autistic, not well adjusted, doomer, mentally ill, unwashed and reassure them in their misogyny.
Blackpill is about talking about male nature and seeking biological explanations to their evilness which created the patriarchy that enslaves women.
Weirdo women are not allowed here as they aren't feminine enough and can't articulate their words in a feminine ways.
>>14470>>baseless shit directed at blackpill anons.
Yeah if hating the patriarchy, including the heterosexuality(!) means you're not well adjusted then well that's the point. Having self respect, not being pickmes/doormats/prostitutes pushes someone to become like this. Cming here and saying that other can't get a boyfriend considering that you have to be a pickme psychologically to even date men is just laughable. They are bragging about being picked and laughing at other women because they fail at some dating mating hetero strategy "because we're too autistic and losers". It's not like heterosexuality isn't so extremely extremely extremely inherently degrading that any non-masoshistic woman would not go through it.
Oh and btw. Women pickme behavior is biological. Essentialism is about acknowledging both sexes nature, you can see women "cool girl" nature literally every place you fucking go. They all have that in them since birth.
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Being online for so many years I have noticed that at least once a week a post like this(here they are blaming feminism on women depression) is made or someone posts a random 30yo+ woman living her life and accuses her of coping and lying about being happy cause "its biological that if women stay childless for life they will become hysteric and miserable", the post gets thousands of likes and comments of people agreeing in a sadistic snarky ways that women shouldn't become childless or feminists.
Meanwhile it's our mothers who are miserable and still get called hysteric because of their behavior that is probably a result of a lifetime of dealing with shit. Yeah go birth children and then be a servant your whole life who everyone sees as a hag and nothing else. Even your daughter won't spend a minute even trying to understand why you're acting the way you do. Full ignorance. People just see those women as hags and servants and young women even feel superior to them and their husbands are probably watching "teen giving sloppy blowjob" porn daily lmfao I won't even mention that both of those groups of women young or old are doing this filthy shit too. Seriously there's so much wrong with being a woman and as if it's not enough there's all that sadistic misogyny and manipulation and all that hetero female degradation all around us. God.
This is what admin said while hiding the board so it's the "blackpill" newfags fault, you guys came here from tiktok and kept making weird posts on all boards but mostly /2X/, since there aren't enough farmhands to moderate this mess properly they had to hide /2X/
Yes, 2X will be hidden on Friday the 28th.We’ve decided to hide it again as we never really agreed with unhiding it and its “trial run” as an unhidden board has attracted a lot of new users who don't integrate and shit up other boards"
>>14475>Yes, the "you NEETs!!" comeback is cringe, but it was in response to the comments about women being prostitutes and dick-obsessed, or weird discussions about sex and virginity.
Ayrt So why feel the need to respond with baseless unrelated catty drivel you even admit is baseless and catty? The question of whether het women are dick obsessed is unironically a real question here that people are asking. If you glance over recent posts there are anons discussing biological determinism and essentialism of male and female nature. This is the core of blackpill belief isn't it? to discuss these discomfortable radical things that hit at the core of us including our own nature as het, bi, SSA and lesbian women. If it's discomfortable to you, you can hide the thread.
>There have been some interesting comments, but BPs barely reply to them and the discussion circles back to women being whores and pickmes over and over again.
Numerous times I've seen no counter argument to how het women are degraded and only side stepping "stop being meanies" comments and accusations of misogyngy as well as accusations of being bihet/febfem/fake lesbian, and catty miscellaneous shit like I mentioned before including accusations of being NEETs and ugly/not appealing to the male gaze enough ergo of no moid interest (kek at the irony there).
I am the original anon who said virginity and celibacy is respectable so I've been following this thread too. What I didn't expect was for a miniscule opinion to cause a mass insecure shit fit of anti black pill anons who feel attacked for their centering of males, accusations of misogyny and accusations that I am upholding moid patriachical purity bullshit instead of conceding to the fact that patriarchical degradation is near hardwired into het women by society and perhaps some degree of essentialism. Purity culture for the sake of moids ownership is shit yes, I agree but so is succumbing to the patriarchical standards of being degraded. There is no Madonna whore because het sex is inherently degrading. If there have been more "interesting comments" why is this the only thing that ever sticks in much of your minds? Some patriarchical moids branding and interpretation of a womans self control and sexual agency. Maybe you should consider why you think the virginity and sex discussions were "weird" in the first place when it was never centered on males nor their retarded purity culture mythos but instead the agency and self respect of het women. The only counter I got from this discussion was that "women enjoy being degraded by moids and some crying about how women enjoy sex, I could enjoy amputating my arm but that doesn't make it good. Or a more comparable example I could enjoy humiliating myself by gorging myself for the entertainment of oppressors but that doesn't make it good, you can enjoy degrading things but that doesn't make them any less terrible and dehumanizing. The other counter I got in response was that in these same het relationships that dating and romantic relationships must include fucking", I'm not the anon who made the prostitution comment but this scenario that an anti bp anon made unironically does sound like unpaid prostitution. Both were bleak responses as well as moid centered and brained.
There is hardly discussion to be had with those so deeply entrenched in patriarchy they can't stick their head out for two seconds to discuss why degrading yourself might be bad for reasons other than males/trad retards say it's bad.
>>14479>So why feel the need to respond with baseless unrelated catty drivel you even admit is baseless and catty?
What? I'm not the anon who said that, I'm just saying that this kind of stupid comment was coming from both sides.>Maybe you should consider why you think the virginity and sex discussions were "weird" in the first place when it was never centered on males
It quickly became apparent that the virginity discussion was in fact not female-centered at all because lesbian sex was not even considered as something that makes you lose your virginity kek. Virginity should be completely irrelevant as long as you practice separatism. Not all lesbians are virgins and why would you want to imply that non-virgin het BPs do not respect themselves, or at least less than the virgin BPs? You're free to associate your virginity with self-respect but why force this in the discussion and pretend that it can be dissociated from males when the whole concept comes from them? Also, the "women don't like sex" discussion was not just weird actually, it was also retarded, and even BPs disagreed with you. Anyway, there have been lengthy comments in reply to yours already, I'm not sure why you're coming back to this.
It's like a dump post, I guess I'm gonna dump it here as anywhere else online it's not allowed so just saying but being blackpilled is about basically being anti sex. It's not about being fond of neither male or female heterosexuality.
Obviously when they talk about not being a virgin is like not having self respect they talk about heterosexuality specifically.>"women don't like sex"
We know they do and that's the blackpill - cause they "enjoy' the degradation hetero sex is. Female hetero sexuality isn't good, it's actually traumatic to be exposed to it like for expl. The rape kinks most women have or being exposed to like hmm women sharing how their sexual lives look like online and it's all… Like porn. Porn, the psychologically breaking videos that are traumatic. In the most unexpected places and communities I was exposed to female sexuality being absolutely hellish, the women I least expected to be retarded, the women I looked up too turned out to have a rape kinks like free use kink for expl, being slapped etc. All women I can think of that ever shared their "private" life like this… Had degradation kinks or fixation with sucking dick. First introduction to this shit was obviously irl. They all were like this. Anal, blowjobs, deep throats, hair pulling, slapping. Old or young women. The same.
I'm sceptical to calling women pleasure in het sex a pleasure because it's a masochist/servant pleasure not equal to the male one. It's like a prey giving up to being eaten. And that's the state women are mentally in het sex because their body has to give up so mind has to be in a state of submission first lol(and that's why they worship men so much too). This is not about accepting female or male nature and centering your ideology around catering to it and creating a feminist strategy for other women how to navigate in this patriarchy or watching your words because other women identify or engage in those degrading things.
So thats why someone would say that "women don't like sex". You guys just become too hysteric here especially as women who claim to hate men but don't see the other side of them in heterosexual context as pickmes while they literally worship male sexuality. That one that causes so much evil. I can't even engage with men mentally without having to calm myself down for the rest of the day. So? Evil.
And I'm not one of those anons who goes to other threads or boards.
anti-sex in general or solely anti-male and female relations?
the "black pill" outlook specifically is very focused on the matter of having sex/sexual intercourse?
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hetero relationships just squick me out, see picrel. the reality is that you, a woman, are always (ok 99% of the time) in a vulnerable state physically when partnered with a man. a lot of women are genuinely surprised by this, see the trans sport debacle. I don't think this makes us inferior, it's just that men are the screeching gorillas of humankind and should be dealt with at a distance.
>>14484>Obviously when they talk about not being a virgin is like not having self respect they talk about heterosexuality specifically.
Well if at least they would admit it but no, they claim it's "female-centered" despite it being a concept relative to males and created by them as an indicator of women's worth, self-respect and purity.>So thats why someone would say that "women don't like sex".
No, the anon I was talking about said that straight women can't imagine an intimate relationship without sex due to brainwashing, clearly implying that, inherently, straight women don't like/want sex (unlike lesbians of course) so yeah it was retarded and not the same thing as saying that the normalization of degrading sex leads women to do degrading things, or even just that a lot of men don't care for women's pleasure. Although the idea that most women have "rape kinks" and sex lives comparable to porn is… out of touch with reality to say the least. There's definitely a lot to be said about degrading sex but sex-posi libfems with OF accounts who share their sex lives online are not representative of the average heterosexual woman.
It makes sense to be antisex(which just means sex critical) if you believe that males physically are evil cause if they are then heterosexuality and pickmes are too.>>14493>said that straight women can't imagine an intimate relationship without sex due to brainwashing,
That's a radfem mentality, they either say this or defend sex.
But the only brainwashing is the one done to women is rather by their own nature and desires like it's a lack of self control etc.>Although the idea that most women have "rape kinks" and sex lives comparable to porn is… out of touch with reality
Porn is just male and female body fucking together. That's all it takes to make porn that's why I compare it to that cause even the most amateur porn filmed by random couple ykwim is extremely traumatic due to the male dominance and female humiliation and contains all the positions or sex acts all other porn contains. Cause what else people can do in sex? Romance doesn't make it better. Romance is a foreplay before porn happens lmao. Loving a male makes it all filthier.>>14497>So accept it
But people here don't accept it, they deny it or demand that others defend it just because it's "female nature">I feel like the original BP reddit had a lot less 'unchecked psychotic episode'
Are you seriously gonna call it that way?
I think in the grand scheme of things, there is no hope for the liberation of women on a large scale, at least not presently. Western feminists make constant appeals against 6b4t and any other feminist talking point that actually calls for change because it dares to threaten their nigels, and governments globally are pushing trans rights bullshit which manufactures new problems for us to combat to distract us from what we were previously trying to fight for. I think for each step we take forward as women, we're pushed back by the government, men in general, and handmaidens which outnumber us 99 to 1, and it's just too much. The West has yet to peak men like East Asian feminists have, and I know depressingly I won't have the chance to see it in my lifetime. All this is just to say I feel as though "none of us are free until all of us are free" which is a common radfem motto simply isn't true. It can't be. The women I know who volunteer at or even live at women's communes are free to an unimaginable degree. I teared up listening to their descriptions of how they live life, just enjoying nature and one another's company, working hard and being self sustaining away from men. It's paradisiacal. Unfathomable to the degree that it sounds like it can't even exist, but miraculously, it does. I think if BP feminists want peace of mind, they should look into separatist communes and try to visit at least once. Building a future for us women is not only possible, but already happening, we only have to make the decision to contribute and seek our own refuge. I have long given up on partnered hetfems (which is the majority) and like another anon said, it's best to simply forget them. They won't change and it's wasted effort to even discuss with them, so all we can do is focus on ourselves.>>14497>I'm fairly clueless about east asian feminism, but have some notion of the difference between western and east asian mentalities
I can only speak for South Korean feminism, but the reason why SK feminists are peak men is because of just how blatantly sexist it is. South Korean men have not attempted to give the illusion that they can be caring and that their violence is just an oopsie, they are historically very openly misogynistic, unlike Western men whose misogyny is less blatant. You can read up more on this here. https://www.feministcurrent.com/2020/06/15/the-south-korean-womens-movement-we-are-not-flowers-we-are-a-fire/?fbclid=IwAR0RuAUxliSnltczHAqUKYO3kGlgdkTNth3FqvuZvk0VMv9RDztU8qb9BKY
Cope normie whore. You are the ones coming here with jizz fresh on your breath obsessed with diagnosing other women with this and that illness just because they aren't whores. This is misogynistic that is misogynistic that is degrading women. Guess what. They degrade themselves with their disgusting heterosexuality etc. that's a patriarchy that will never go away anyway so shut up nobody is obligated here to respect it to seem well adjusted in other people eyes.>>14560
Sorry but what does liberation of all women even mean to you all? Just curious. I bet you other women don't even want the kind of liberation you want or wanted. It's all a radfem fantasy, they sit and project onto women while liberal feminism exposes women and human nature so much. It's just gawk gawk gawk love men love men suck suck suck suck suck hetero relationships hetero relationships worship male worship male worship male through worshipping female sexuality and no misandry allowed cause it goes against women pickme nature!
Yeah they gaf about women right but dgaf about full liberation cause parts of patriarchy are fucking biological and even heterosexuality isn't or can't even be morally okay EVER for multiple reasons so everyone needs to shut the fuck up and stop calling women here mentally ill.
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I think the higher rate for women is probably due to them being able to acknowledge that they aren't mentally well.
Males prefer to deal with it in more masculine, rational ways, like adopting delusional political ideas that blame everyone else for their suffering, or resorting to a more masculine medication, like copious amounts of alcohol.
That's wishful thinking but no….I think what destroyed it was women welcoming conservatives with open arms into the radfem movement or letting women with questionable views become the leaders of their movements. Or the fact that most of them will talk theory or tell others how to live but then they themselves get exposed for being pickmes who don't follow what they preach.
I don't think a subreddit who got banned fast did anything. It was the radfems themselves who let their movement get eaten up by conservative women and pro-life ORGs.
You can even find posts of radfems who used to defend conservatives aligning with them because it was for "the greater good"….and now look at what happened.
I wonder how do gnc women feel now having boymoms who look down on gnc women also being a part of their movement. Was aligning yourself with the worst possible people and organitions worth it?
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I don't think it was the subreddit in specific that destroyed radical feminism, although I agree with your general sentiment. I believe that it's the fact that people with common sense (believing men cannot be women and vice versa) are getting called TERFs nowadays that is the downfall of radical feminism. Most 'TERFs' and self-identified radfems only call themselves such simply because that's how the public left/libs/troons view them; to the public, TERFs = GC = radfem = conservative. This is why you also see some people calling men TERFs despite the fact that they literally by definition cannot be 'TERFs'. Words, especially those related to idpol, have lost all meaning. I've recently met a GC for an example, who can't even handle women saying "I hate men", but she was still confused on whether or not she was a radical feminist just because she believes men on hormones =/= women. The definitions have become that nebulous, and popularization of the term "TERF
" really fucked us over. This is also why you see so many women argue about the minutiae of radical feminist ideology, because we've lost so much of the true definition in the GC gentrification. Radical feminist spaces have devolved because on one hand you have 6b separatist women who are genuinely radical, and then you have liberal GCs who could care less about the fundamentals and simply don't want men in their bathrooms. That plus the general attitude of the internet where inclusivity is king, some feminists get mad when you tell them they aren't radical (because they partner with men or what have you) and so they attempt to bend the definition to include them. Like >>14589
said:>If troons disappeared, how many women after that would still call themselves radfem?
And the answer is, so many of them would stop. Our numbers would be more than halved, we'd be a dwindling population. You can see it from the way most GC's "feminism" is centered more around shaming gross men and less around uplifting and protecting women. I'm not trying to hetsperg, but this is why so many self-proclaimed radfems drop their ideologies when they find a boyfriend or husband. It's all about taking what they want from the movement and trimming out what they don't want.
Any movement that fails to strive for mass appeal is inherently futile and a waste of time tbh, I discovered r/GC when I was still in my early 20's, it influenced my feminism but so did the reality of my day to day life as well as other materials that I read.
Books like the Bible and Quran didn’t last thousands of years and influenced hundreds of millions of people and thousands of states because they cared for ideological purity, also nothing is eternal, including beliefs. radfems beliefs and those of conservative christians will both change each other. There may be one dominant influence between the two, but change will happen for both. Take for example the conquest of tribes by civilized states in the Near East - the tribes were fundamentally changed, but so were the civilized states. Similarly, when barbarians from the north conquered settled civilized states, both the civilized states and the barbarians were transformed, all you can hope for is that your belief has enough foundation and broad appeal.
Except after 2 thousand years most christians don't even read the bible and they don't follow christ, and they support the shitty church that was co opted by masons and satanists, and most of them also don't even know about original christianity (gnosticism). Truth mixed with lies is still worthless, even if it survived for years and influenced states.
Based ideologies, like antinatalism, also have been around for hundreds of years, but even to this day, they are popular only among a very small amount of individuals. They don't have mass appeal. And the same goes for blackpill. And that's good.
This. Comparing religion to modern ideologies is useless anyway when religion had a 1000-year head start and used barbarian methods to root itself in societies and their values around the world as a bastardized version that only exists to ensure that a small elite holds all the power. >>14599
Exactly. If intersectional feminism can exist without bending a knee to conservative beliefs, how come only radical feminism is supposed to conform?
antinatalism has popped up from time to time in different societies with seemingly no contact or reference to each other>>14599
Its a fact though, Beliefs can change in various situations, be it a conflict or a casual conversation. This is at the core of meme theory, which posits that ideas, attitudes, and cultural practices act as units of replication that can spread and evolve over time. Whether it's a political ideology, a religious doctrine, or a popular catchphrase, As individuals engage in dialogue and exchange ideas, they inevitably influence each other's beliefs and perspectives. Therefore, it's important to approach conversations and interactions with an open mind and a willingness to learn and adapt, recognizing that both parties have the potential to grow and evolve as a result of their engagement.>>14605
You sound like a Foucauldian.
Its not about necessarily trying to convince others to adopt the exact same viewpoints as you, but rather to plant the seed of thought in their minds. By expressing and sharing our ideas, even the slightest hint of our perspective can take root in someone else's thinking and be spread further. This can lead to a convergence of viewpoints and ultimately shape the evolution of political and social beliefs. individuals may find and cultivate their own beliefs, incorporating aspects of others that are appealing and evolving them over time.
This will happen vice versa, a Christian belief may be introduced and evolve in your mind, changing and adapting to your unique experiences and merging with other perspectives they encounter.
God I feel so alone. I can't connect with women who have boyfriends/husbands, I literally can't even though I tried many times. I can't find any lesbians or febfems or celibate het women I could befriend. Yeah I can contact them online in another country but that's not the same as having irl friends. Moids show interest in me but I know well they don't want to be 'just' friends with me, even when they act like it. I like talking to them about my hobbies but I know I could never had any deeper conversations with them because they're fucking moids and talking to them about it is pointless and also dangerous, because I think that if you intelectually and emotionally open up to a moid he will also see this as an 'invitation'. I could never actually befriend them because the moment I would they would try to initiate romantic relationship and I don't want that. I want scrote-free female friends with similar worldview to mine, but I don't want them to be scrote-free just because they got so traumatized from men they just want to take a rest from men and use a random woman to trauma dump her and then when they're done, go back to having relationships with men, and either drop that woman or use her to vent about her nigel. It never happened to me, as I never had any friends, but I read about it happening. Also it's depressing to read this shit about lesbians struggling to find partners because so many women just treat female/female relationships as a therapy/rest/adventure and then they go back to socially safe and acceptable fucking and pairing with males. I'm not a lesbian but I was never interested in dating men and I never fucked them, I always knew they're evil. I want a gf but after reading so much shit I'm paranoid that I couldn't trust any woman and she would dump me for a guy when the 'right' one showed interest in her. Time goes by and my loneliness is more painful, when I was a teen and early 20s I was kinda ok with having no friends and no romantic/sexual partners. Now I wish so badly to have female friends and someone special and close to me, but literally all my female coworkers and basically every woman I meet has a boyfriend already, doesn't matter if she's younger or older than me. I feel like there's no place to go for me
I think it's telling that despite the topic coming up many times ITT, no one has made that blackpill discord they "crave" yet. It could actually be interesting to share ideas, experiences and tips related to separatism - that's the kind of discussion that could foster a sense of community, and women partnered with men wouldn't have any ground to accuse blackpills of misogyny. But no, it always comes back to women being dick-obsessed even when it's completely unrelated to the last several posts, probably in hopes to infight which obviously won't be possible on a private discord. Like, do you really look at this >>14578
and wonder why it's not taken seriously in feminist spaces and why the movement is not appealing to women, even those who've been hurt by men and could be receptive to volcel/separatism? Even for blackpills it can't be appealing and mentally healthy to constantly sperg about whores, dick and cum.
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Alright ladies, it is done. Pic related is the word filter (looks ominous doesn't it.) I'll be figuring this out as I go along so please be patient with me. I'm fucking terrified but I think it will be a good thing. Just a disclaimer: I am a detranser. If people are noided about that, I can post a video with hands. Now I'm going out for a smoke.https://discord.gg/sajAwXsJ
I don't get it, why restrict those words' usage in a private "black pill" group when ITT "black pillers" want
to use language like that?
I think it will drag down the group consciousness and create a toxic
group that either gets shut down, or people want to leave after a while. There is nothing stopping you from having these discussions without using disgusting, vulgar words that trigger
people. I'm sort of surprised its being a point of contention, but then again I'm not. So if its working to filter out the crazies already, thats a good thing.
also >muH fReeDoM oF SPEeCH - yeah my group isn't a place to just exercise your vocal chords with slur words. I used to be a conservative so I've seen this dynamic many times over.
>>14718> I hate discord and have never seen any healthy community arise from it
Discord is what you make of it. What would you prefer, slack? There just aren’t a wealth of better alternatives. I installed a security bot to prevent raiding, but I haven’t fully configured it. In the long run, I think a containment channel is needed for new users that requires video verification. But I’m concerned that will put people off, and it doesn’t feel necessary at the present moment. There’s a steep learning curve.>>14719
I am not against refocusing the group to female separatism. From my perspective, what I want is a support group where we can help each other in practical ways. I feel like there are plenty of places to discuss theory. If you join my discord, you can see how I set it up. Blackpill to me is just ‘keeping it real’ but maybe it’s too inherently negative.
Anyways I tried. Now I am stressed out because only 2 people joined and it makes me feel anxious. Always open to feedback but I ca't do it without help. Just going to wait and see what happens
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curious as to why a server specifically for blackpill behavior is even needed. i thought bp behavior was essentially just depression over women's widespread dedication to males, and some doomerism over female liberation (never making it out jokes). is this thread not enough for that? do you really want a non-anonymous space wholly dedicated to such negativity? i am blackpilled myself btw (i made this post >>13548
), i'm just asking.
i'm really too lazy to backread, so i'm not sure if the discord exists to 100% guard against raiding libfems/trolls/"radical feminists" mad that you're calling them cocksuckers for sucking cock or not
While I don't agree with using fucked up language in the place of no argument I see no problem with jabs if its purpose is to shine a light on hypocrisy. I see your point though, it is important to draw attention to the agents of patriarchy and contradictory behavior/ideology.>>14720>You guys have a wording that's most similar to any given cheap incel forum with the way you seethe at other women for dating men you don't approve(aka isn't you)
Back to the catty unironic describer of women as incels as if women commit mass terrorism due to a lack of hetero sex and the time old misognistic, catty projecting argument of "You're only mad cause other girls are dating men you want".
I'm sure parroting that catty highschool mean girl rhetoric of "you just jelly because other girls have a man" will draw people into your discord server.
that's what black pill thought means in the context of females or feminism then that sounds basic and self-explanatory; I can get on board with that. simple observation seems to prove that.
what I can't get on board with at all is just yet another trite let's-hate-females mentality. that's: yawn.
wouldn't it stand to reason socialization comes from human nature? why do males chose the socialization patterns and rituals that they choose? from their own nature. however human societies have been set up was in alignment overall with male nature so the socialization that goes along with all that would mean it does spring from their genetics and impulses.
ultimately it seems to me that even thinking that one sees a separation between male nature and male socialization makes no sense. it was historically the males that chose how to socialize the young males.
>>14740>Mainstream "radfems" really took socialization theory to the bank
No one would deny social forces exists but nature always overrides nurture. The fault of radfem logic is to pin bleak behavior on "socialized" toxic
masculinity/femininity when nature itself is toxic
. Blackpill is not recognizing males are violent by nature, no shit we're on 2X, that's called "pink pill" >>14737
this definition is incorrect.
"Black pill" conversely is the realisation that women and men's nature are biological and that liberation is nigh impossible because of this. Almost all discussion ITT has been an offshoot of this premise. And yes, I don't like the incel forum "pill" word usage but fuck it we need some way of describing this succinctly.>>14741
I'm inclined to agree, nature informs and very often with rape ape males overrides nurture.>>14742
Can you elaborate on what the koolaid is? lel
>>14751>Men are violent by nature” and “men are violent by biology” mean the same exact thing
Yes that's what I thought too, "retard". If you agree why are you calling it drinking koolaid?
Pink pill is distinct from blackpill. Pink pill is not simply hating moids. It's realising fundamental nature cannot be changed and actively won't be changed. Pink pill discusses strategies for women of all backgrounds to avoid rapeapes nature due to their inherent rape ape biology. Blackpill is realising this logic applies to women and that the problem runs far deeper affecting every facet of female existence socialisation and biology, therefore it is unlikely that liberation can be achieved. source: the posts ITT.
Oh I see. I didn't know that dichotomy existed. To me, pinkpill is a term used by troons when they are grooming children. So I would avoid it, because I'd rather be mistakenly mixed up with doomer incels than child groomers.
I do notice terms like hop and handmaiden used by radfems who are not blackpilled. I guess there is no reason for either term, they are really just interwebz pop culture monikers that provide branding. 'Female separatism' sounds very generic, thats why early separatists would say things like Womyns Land.
For god's sake stop having emotional reactions to others speaking the truth about reality. I don't trust any of you who get mad at critiques of hetero-anything cause in radfem spaces those mad women always end to be be retarded, horrendous submissive handmaidens who tolerate worst things and the boyfriends and relations they paint as non patriarchal turn out to be patriarchal and the bfs turn out to be manchilds with high body counts or shit like that.
And I'm not trying to decide what Blackpill is about for othersq but the reality shows what it's about really clearly, women and men nature being this and that inherently. It is not a place for just half assed misandry (because how you claim to hate men who see the ones who worship them as good) or hetero dating strategy talks.>>14745>liberation is nigh impossible because of this
Heterosexuality for example is naturally a male dominance and female degradation that's why the so called liberation is impossible. That's the point. This shit is bad and even monogamy isn't natural so men hook up with women and get bored of women and desire young women only and hetero acts are a humiliating sodomy that doesn't even naturally lead to female orgasm and "romance" isn't real because it's just like a foreplay, that's all. Stop being fucking emotional none of you are even feminists but then get mad at others being misogynistic. How do you manage to sound worse than rfs. AND critiques of hetero relationships should be the basis here. This needs to be said over and over again but I can't fucking stand your patriarchy as someone who spend years in those spaces ALL of you who get mad at certain things turned out to be full of shit imbeciles.
I feel you. It's depressing. I don't understand why radfems have the urge to constantly bring up their nigels whenever the discussion is clearly about separatism.> 2. Moids would be okay with just fucking young women for life and not caring about anything other emotionally. They crave young meat
I don't know if women will ever realize this or stop deluding themselves. Men genuinely don't care about your personality, education, background, whatever. They only care about youth. It doesn't matter how loyal, caring, loving, doting girlfriend you end up being, they'll either ditch you or cheat on you the moment you start showing signs of aging while they themselves don't care about appearance. I'll also add to that how I hate the way women are brutal when it comes to nitpicking other women's appearances but enforce low standards for men.> 3. Whores always report bp accounts on social media meanwhile those cocksuckers are the real degenerates
Those stupid cumsluts will get mistreated by their moids sooner or later. At least they'll get their comeuppance. Although it doesn't matter because they'll continue being stupid and will never stop being pickmes.
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would it be ok to join just to lurk? I have no intelligence to partake or the vocabulary but I feel like I am in dire need of good female influence in my life
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They are invading Japan.
>JAPAN: Rape Crisis Center Denied Funding After Founder Denounced as ‘Transphobic’
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Women get the worst stereotypes (or useless at best)
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made a quick edit and can make another if anyone posts better suggestions
Is this really your idea of based? That sub originated from the femcel subreddit and was still full of copium and misandrists who think the only blackpill is moids not loving women and they whined about it whilst calling women superior and male and female sexuality incompatible. Just theory zero practice and fake misandry and fantasy but yeah well due to women being retarded this is the shit we have to settle for>>14893
God women are submissive idiots. What's the point of deleting all of that?
submissiveness is more of an action and an attitude, than an inherent quality of the female body, nonna. the act of having a penis penetrate a vagina is not by definition submissive, because it doesn't make sense to describe it in such a way. i'll concede penetrative sex can be degrading
for many women, but submission is more so about the action of the whole–a decision an individual makes–than a singular part of the female body that's evolved in such a way as to aid in the gestation of young.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals#Female_counter-adaptations
You've described submission; the sexual armsrace is a good example of selected submission of female species and desperate adaptations to mitigate this inevitable submission from rape apes.
>the act of having a penis penetrate a vagina is not by definition submissive, because it doesn't make sense to describe it in such a way
Obviously, males rape other males in nature too, submission is not tangentially tied to vaginas obviously but when 50% of the population is physically weaker and this is outside of their control than it is directly, incidentally tied to vaginas.
>i'll concede penetrative sex can be degrading and traumatizing for many women
You conceeding something that's apparent is toothless and pointless. Penetrative sex "can" be degrading, tell me what instances of it aren't degrading? Obviously a vagina isnt submissive; it's a vagina. But females of species adapt counter strategy's to prevent rape apes from traumatically inseminating them so yes submission is par for the course. Biology has panned out that females of species are submissive and reactive to violence. This is textbook passivity. Females of species adapting counter strategies to rape ape males is not evidence against this innate submission if anything they work against this argument and argue in favor of submission and that rape ape nature is biologically universal in males and females are naught but hopeless victims
who will always have to reactively adapt counter adaptations to avoid this rape apeing.
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I can't stand so-called misandrists who have sex with men. Why are you letting someone you supposedly hate fuck you? Have some respect for yourself.
I don't think that poster is a man.>>14922
Pro tip: don't like sex? don't have sex.
I agree with you somewhat in that pregnancy renders women incapable of much that's required for active survival, making them depended on men, and penetration is required to make that happen. And if you live in the 15th century and spend most of your life pregnant or nursing… Yeah. Patriarchy makes sense, or humanity wouldn't progress nowhere nearly as far as we have.
I disagree with this statement:>vagina is submissive
In and of itself, it's just a body part and doesn't mean anything. Do I submit to myself when I stick two fingers in to masturbate? No? Exactly.
Nta but>Do I submit to myself when I stick two fingers in to masturbate? No? Exactly.
This is such a cope. It's not the same. And seriously, the act of being penetrated by someone is inherently linked to the possibility of feeling pain and discomfort and surrendering to the one who penetrates you. The person who penetrates doesn't even have any possible negative outcomes for their body from this.
>>14928>it's just a body part and doesn't mean anything.
Reality is not always subjective, having a vaginal canal, uterus and a womb around which rest of the body and hormones are revolving and the canal being inside your body means dick goes inside and invades you it requires surrender.
I can't believe we have to explain this to so called misandrists like ok go defend something that only serves men in which women even visually look braindead, violated, molested and like a spread meat ready to serve itself or pigs in hell, that def makes you a misandrist. Not at all. I can't believe how childish, feminine and submissive you fake misandrists are. The reality is obvious and truth won't change, do you see it as a loss to admit it? I guess that would be part of the reason cause "misandrist" women just wanna "own men" even with copes and it's childish. Be for real and I'm not a man. Female and male genitals are two different energies it is a surrender and dominance and it manifests itself mentally as well because if it didn't you would… Have so called gender dysphoria/you wouldn't be able to surrender to the male and take dick/you would dissociate etc etc It's just reality I didn't make it this way and when I go into spaces online where you can find the only women who are just a little but less retarded than the rest and call themselves misandrists then I expect actual misandry lol you can't fuck men. They fuck you and fucking them back as a female is their pleasure and useless stimulation for you which to like and settle for and seek regularly you must be servile mentally
The vagina by itself isn't intrinsically submissive, I actually agree with you to an extent on that >In and of itself, it's just a body part.
It is a extension of a reproductive organ system just as a penis isn't intrinsically dominant however I agree with >>14933
. The reality is that it is always submissively penetrated in het sex and the sexual armsrace is evidence enough that penetrative sex is just submission, humiliation/degradation, and pain for women. Masturbation isn't submissive because it's done to oneself so your false comparison doesn't really work. It's also not about "not liking sex" no one was arguing if women enjoy being degraded, het sex is inherently degrading always and the enjoyment value is completely irrelevant to our discussion.
Please calm down. You're clearly replying to several people at once. My post was very succinct and never mentioned misandry, online spaces, and so on. I was arguing about one (1) thing.>around which rest of the body and hormones are revolving
Reproductive hormones affect both men and women. Having hormones influence your mood, etc, is not a sign of inferiority nor submissiveness. Human females don't experience the estrous cycle. "Dick goes inside"? Not unless you want it to. The internal conflict between heterosexual libido (men are a turn on) and personal conviction (sex is degrading) underscores the free will humans enjoy. Again: don't like sex? don't have sex. This is why I was asking you whether you think vagina is intrinsically submissive.>Female and male genitals are two different energies it is a surrender and dominance and it manifests itself mentally as well because if it didn't you would… Have so called gender dysphoria/you wouldn't be able to surrender to the male and take dick/you would dissociate etc etc
At the risk of coming off as rude, do you have gender dysphoria?>>14936>Masturbation isn't submissive because it's done to oneself so your false comparison doesn't really work.
It does work because it helps answer the question whether having a vagina means you're submissive full stop. I'm sitting in front of my PC browsing LC and sipping tea; I also have a vagina in my pants right here with me; am I submissive because it's there?
Somewhat unrelated, but what about homosexual intercourse that involves penetration?
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>>14933>different energies it is a surrender and dominance and it manifests itself mentally as well because if it didn't you would… Have so called gender dysphoria/you wouldn't be able to surrender to the male and take dick/you
Exactly. I always hated men despite finding some of them visually pleasing, I wasn't molested or raped, I just felt like I always knew
what males are (parasites), even as a child. Even when I had butterflies thinking about a guy, the moment I thought about actually
having PIV my arousal went from 10 to 0. I like hugging and feeling another person's warmth and kissing, but I will never let a dick inside of me. Even when I find a dude attractive and he likes me, I just can't allow myself to get raped like this. If just thinking about dick makes me sick and like my whole body rejects the very idea, doing anything else than just hugging, touching and kissing would traumatize me. PIV is just rape in my eyes and I won't change my mind. Allowing a male inside of you is allowing the parasite inside of you and corrupting your spirit.
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I’m scrolling a bit through the blackpill feminist archive and holy shit can we talk about this? I felt like I was crazy…
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>this girl posted herself on r9k yesterday she claims she likes CP and spends all day on discord talking to pedos…how do we save her from this path?
And yet radfems DEMAND we see those women as a victims. At some point you have to acknowledge the darkness in female nature too
Your body being feminine demands you to be submissive mentally in
het sex. Submissive, masochistic servile and forgiving and that allows women to surrender lol that's why
It is a submission that happens physically and mentally both. Uncomfortable state and realm to live in. A subjugation that is natural cause your body doesn't allow you to dominate or be served while the male can. Anyone arguing against the fact that female body is submissive (to the male but also the female body is women identity so all this femininity makes them handmaids in so many other ways) is demanding we cater to their individual innacurate point of view. It reminds of of radfem mentality or fake misandrists who wanna own men desperately so they turn to copes. Maybe someone should psychoanalyze "fake" misandrists because sometimes their attitude is suspicious to me like they have some secret attachment to moids or are retarded, standard lol
And the women here defending other women having sex? And for what? Why are you going out of your way to even do that, we owe nothing to them this is not libfeminism cocksucker coddling circle. We don't have to center all women always
Lmao they are saying it's fake in some way idek? I guess I'm not THAT chronically online but it reminded me so strongly of this girl I used to stalk on IG cause she engaged with some famous rapper, she was freshly turned 18 and had some of her post captioned with some weird shit calling old women jealous hags aghh I don't remember exactly but it was so triggering
. It was something crazy like this kind of posts of women posting their pics and in the background there's a random woman walking who's not even looking at them but the ops accuse the woman of looking and being bitter
I hate it when feminists infantilize women, paint women as incapable of violence, or pull the "women-are-saint-ethereal-creatures" thing straight outta medieval romance. Case in point:>>14965>At some point you have to acknowledge the darkness in female nature
Incredible observation, Sherlock! Turns out we are human too. Or do you fart rainbows and shit butterflies?
This is true of some people but men will also do this in relationships too. I've definitely seen it the other way.
Obviously to a extent it's normal to change your opinions when you're with someone, they can give you different perspective on life. Not talking about being a 4chan rightoid tho.
I have a vagina in my pants right here with me; am I submissive because it's there?
No, I agreed with you; the organ by itself is not submissive it's an organ, a penis is not dominant either but given the sexual armsrace it absolutely is. It's not helpful to argue in absolutes but if we are arguing in absolutes vaginas are certainly submissive as penetrable vulnerable organs just as a any open oriface is. An anus is vulnerable as well and men rape other men too as rapeapes.
>Somewhat unrelated, but what about homosexual intercourse that involves penetration?
That is indeed unrelated as we were talking about hetero penetrative sex but I would say between women no, women do not rape other women en masse are not the majority of sex offenders globally nor have the innate capacity to beat, overpower, degrade and dehumanize other women in a literal sense like rapeapes. A woman being penetrated by another woman does not carry the same weight as women do not have the capacity or brute ape strength to forcibly insimenate other women, it is still indeed degrading though. In the case of men one is always submissive and just as het women are violently degraded one is too.
I'm not trying to both-sides this because I think the OP has a good point, but you occasionally see the opposite dynamic, too. My cousin will change his position to agree with his new wife on literally everything. She picked what college they went to for grad school, she picked their house, she drags him to church despite his being a staunch atheist, etc. I doubt the marriage will last long, moids tend to go nuts after being under someone's thumb that long.
There's a certain personality type that's just inclined to become lapdogs to their spouses. A lot of people like that unfortunately end up trapped in abusive
relationships. Abusers seek out acquiescent personalities like that because they're easier to control.
I feel the same way anon, I'd think like many here the pipeline goes normie/libfemlite>radfem/4thwavefeminist>pinkpill>blackpill. I've been preoccupied with coddling women too in the past, especially battered women I've met volunteering, even those in my personal life like my close friends and family but I've come to the realization that the unfortunate truth is many women simply "want" this suffering or are at the very least complicit in it. They see it as collateral damage that is an unfortunate byproduct of moids nature, law enforcement itself paints moids like this too as victims
but women are worse because they often lack a punitive bone in their bodies including radfem OSA women who pride themselves for holding their Nigels to a standard. Ultimately you still have to interact with males, family members and work colleagues so you can't be completely exclusionary to live in civic society but you absolutely can live as a seperatist, even OSA women, no excuses. And for OSA women it is the only possibility to maintain dignity and possibly ensure (at least) safety from their partners in a world that so desperately hates women.
Are you still coping patriarchy loving whore?
Oh look at me I didn't reply to anyone how could I I must did it all for attention. Seems like something that makes women mad easily, just a girl being messy
Nta but I agree about the part that they "want" to suffer. They see it as a virtue because it requires empathy, extreme tolerance and sacrifices to act that way. They find the martyr role appealing.
They're good people, not like us selfish feminazis.
Kek are you me? My female coworker thinks I'm immature partly because I'm still a virgin and I never cared about dating (I'm 27). I once wrote about it in the vent thread. There was this male coworker who was o h s o g r e a t and he was hitting on me and she was surprised I didn't care, she said sex is fun and I should try it and when I said I would wait at least 6 months before fucking someone (jk I would never fuck a moid), she basically said I'm old and no man will wait 6 months to have sex with me at that age and it's very immature of me to think this way lmao. Btw this guy openly talked about having sex with a prostitute in his past and my female coworker was defending him when I said it's disgusting and subhuman in my eyes, she also called me immature for being disgusted by it. So incredibly sad. She asked if I'm not sad when I'm alone at home, without a man, and when I said no, she was weirded out. I also have a female coworker who's like 24 and she's been dating the same guy since high school, I know he's been to prostitutes in his life too, so I wonder if like, he fucked a prostitute while he was in a relationship with this girl, or when they were on a "break"? Idk, anyway, this girl suffers from constant UTIs, literally every week or two, antibiotics help her only for a short while and then this shit comes back, she tried many kinds of medicine, diets etc. You want me to believe it's not from fucking her dirty moid? Hmmm
Women who are not blackpilled starting at a young age, it becomes harder and harder to realize as the years go by with society constantly affirming the contrary.>>15034>>15036
Are you guys me, I've always though it's degrading and have been grappling with how immature I seem compared to the vast majority of the population even though I'm know I'm completely in the right. Imagine that, that we are wrong for having dignity. Is it even possible to have excess self-respect? That is what I have been wondering lately. Kek
Why are relationships even portrayed as something cute? They ALWAYS end badly, men always fuck women over, humans aren't even monogamous, you will 100% experience disrespect and 99% abuse. A shallow relationship based on physical attraction, you are never even secure in this relationship, men are naturally misogynistic and think bad things about you behind your back(I was always good at getting clues from the reality and reading people psychologically that way, I quickly noticed whats going on in men pathologically, their natural men's snarky, conspiring attitude towards women), they are pedophilic always and forever and… All the expectations in heterosexual relationships are horrendous, you have to perform femininity, you have to provide porny acts aka just normal sexual acts I used to call porny as a way to cope, you can't be in a relationship if you aren't a pickme, you can't have love without your own degradation or masochism, you have to be servile, mentally you would have to be no different from a pornstar to do hetero sex acts. Other women say "mature and suck dick and you will get loved" or call us unloved mockingly like it's completely normal to get violently degraded and put someones long genitals into your mouth that are an embodiment of dominant(dominant towards the energy women embody specifically which suggest that sex isn't equal because our bodies aren't) energy, where it doesn't even fit in there and it makes you gag, you have to make weird movements that would affect you psychologically because body doesn't move without mind making certain intention first so what the fuck is going on in hetero sex having women minds? How hating something violent(bingo! violent. How it's not okay to be repulsed by this kind of violence but okay to be repulsed by any other?) and degrading makes someone immature? How is something so humiliating portrayed as love?
And psychologically women who do it always turn out to be pickmes in some way. Yet they go and brag how they love making men scream in pleasure by putting their gross mouth where only a pig would put their mouth-male crotch. That's all. That's heterosexual relationships. Human nature and psychology terrifies me, I have an extreme porn phobia and the more I live the more I realize that porn isn't that far away from reality and men and women aren't mentally much dif than in porn. Men obviously that's what I always knew. Okay enough about this shit, I need to mention how fucked up this reality is psychologically. For example people naturally have less empathy for women, people worship men for basic human decency whilst women naturally have all those traits men get worshipped for if they act nice ONCE. There's a woman on YouTube that made amber heard parody yet she herself for the past 10 months was getting abused by her moid and documenting the abuse on her YouTube channel, she left him at some point because he was physically and emotionally abusive
and she was scared for her kids but YET she reconciled with him 2 months ago and he assaulted her AGAIN. And you know what she likes to say? That she "doesn't want to me him look bad and that she believes he can can and heal" yet that bitch was quick to make amber look bad to her millions followers. Do you know what I mean? This shit is human nature. Their automatic response to reality is always misogynistic and sees men as the poor angels. It applies to hetero relationships, the things that naturally happen in them are still bad yet nobody will let you talk about them, you would get gaslighted. I CAN'T comprehend the meaning of hetero relationships. I wish I could get some clarification from the reality on why this shit is extremely degrading yet natural and womanhood is so contradictory, beautiful, vulnerable yet made to withstand worst degradation. How does that make sense? Yes I'm probably autistic and that's why I feel this why but it leaves me with even more questions wtf. I hate this eternal patriarchy, female degradation all day everyday endlessly and people wonder why I'm either angry or sad whole life. I need to mention that people even pulled up "natural selection" on me cause i guess I'm weak, vulnerable but non submissive non feminine girl etc. And it got me abused and bullied for no other reason than that. If I'm really autistic as fuck, then I don't know what to think about my existence anymore. Mind fuck. I thought feeling it all is rational.
samefagging again, me writing all those words while all I wanted to say is that it's confusing that dating men as a woman is not something fun or beneficial. The autism is enormous I don't believe a nt woman can even feel this way? Can they?
I suppose women role in heterosexuality is a servitude just like motherhood and women have no problem with it(I never had any desire to be a mother, since a young age I knew I will never marry, it was obvious to me) while I do?
I really believe women are simply programmed by biology to feel this way about relationships with males. I want you to know I totally understand how you feel and think and I've also been this way since my childhood. It can make me feel totally isolated and miserable at times but I think it's the truth and truth is more important than feelings. No one "made" me this way, I didn't even have that many bad personal experiences with men, I'm a volcel and by my own choice I never entered a relationship, I was never molested or raped, it's all just my own observation, analysis and gut feeling
. I remember feeling hostile towards men and qustioning femininity and female behavior since always
, which made me the weird kid. I'm also autistic and maybe there's something "wrong" with our brains that simply makes uss less comforming and less interested in human relationahips (interested in a way that would force us to play certain rules in order to fit in, be accepted and picked by men and other pickme female "friends"). I think that when you're not part of the game
it's actually easier to take a step back and look at the game from the outside and see things that people that are inside the game don't see or struggle to see. I know there are likeminded women in this world, but I've only met them online, never irl. Even if I will never meet someone like this irl and I will never have an actual female friend, it still makes me feel better, spiritually and intelectually, knowing that women like me exist.
>>15052>The autism is enormous I don't believe a nt woman can even feel this way? Can they?
I’m a nt woman and I feel the exact same as you, thank you for putting some of my thoughts into words and best of to you.>>15053>I've also been this way since my childhood>I didn't even have that many bad personal experiences with men>I remember feeling hostile towards men and qustioning femininity and female behavior since always, which made me the weird kid.
Samefag to all of this. I’m bi but getting in a relationship with males has always felt uncomfortable, humiliating and so disgusting to me. Since a very young age I didn’t seem to get along 100% with women&girls (not that I got along with males at all), but something between always came up eventually, a gnawing feeling of rabid hatred and complete annoyance towards them, until my late teens I figured I just hated women or was a traumatized bpder or something, and maybe that plays into it too but then came the realization that I get along just fine with them when they’re single and I have no issues at all with women who date the same sex or women who don’t have male partners. Truly, as some nonnie
said, the more I hate men the more I start hating women, the more I become aware of male nature the more I can’t stand the women that entertain them. There’s a certain loneliness on the inside that comes with this too, I yearn for pure female friendship (I do have friends and all of them are women) but women who actually date women where I live (ex-commieblock) are very few and far between, and there’s still no guarantee we would get along or have common interests, while literally all other women are less or more like “that”, beggars can’t be choosers though so I just try not to make snarky remarks about their “relationship” to their face. I wish I met someone like me irl, I wish I had a blackpilled wifey haha but a blackpilled bestie would do just as well.>>14976
I’m the nonna who posted this, maybe it’s where I’m from but I have literally never met a woman that wasn’t a pick me to some extent, especially for their male, I’ve never had a friendship with a woman where she didn’t act like pic I posted or even worse, never met a woman who wasn’t like “that”, and mind you I am incredibly picky about relationships, so it’s not like I just picked all of them up off the street. I’m not trying to argue, I just want to understand, it makes me so so sad.
>>15060>>I have literally never met a woman that wasn’t a pick me to some extent, especially for their male, I’ve never had a friendship with a woman where she didn’t act like pic I posted or even worse
It looks like all women(mind you there are even lesbians who willingly have kids with men, source: some woman from radtwt who had a kid with her friend + bi radfems saying they wanna be mothers so much) wanna live their lives through being live-in prostitutes. Being a female is so fucking boring, they create no communities between each other and don't wanna live outside the patriarchy and patriarchal relationships mentally, the circumstances women create for individual women with their nature are shitty. I can't see anything in any woman life that I'm jealous of but when I look at men I see so many things and men don't even feel emotionally attached to women, they prioritize their freedom etc. Woman life reminds me of women in hetero sex, fucked on all fours into submission. This is the female/feminine realm, motherhood servitude, prostitution (and the only difference between prostitution and woman life is the freedom to like choose when you wanna be a whore yet all the feminine realm revolves around that servitude. Around your looks, around your youth and even not performing femininity can have a fucking mental consequences for women. It's fucked up, our life revolves around our fertility kind of too… It dictates our looks and looks are our status) whilst men live outside this cage(look at female vs male pov in het sex or porn lol, men hate women yet their life revolves around using them obviously but women are stuck in their pov where they are fucked and men don't even have a drive to "stay" you know women get pumped and dumped endlessly and thrown away for young women). It feels so bad and all women I meet are I guess "feminine" and boring, they have no imagination, they never stand up for themselves, they don't wanna feel valued or respected all they do is care about being prostitutes who feel accomplished through making men orgasm. Why would you wanna live in the patriarchy (het relationships etc.)
Even the presence of a moid creates that patriarchal male-female dynamic… I wanna be liberated from the physical standards and relations that are inherently oppressive because here we live in our biological role I'm not interested in being but women are incapable of creating different relationships between eachother or there's not enough women who aren't pickmes that you could meet on your way and bond with easily. See we're slaves to some retarded circumstances provided by other people nature.
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Just saw a 20yo bitch dating an old ugly man, her IG feed is full of "old Hollywood Lana del rey" shit and even a picture saying "the ugly man I love". If I see feminists painting those women as a victims once again I'm gonna turn off my brain. Nobody speak to me. My life is an endless breakdown caused by seeing stuff like this starting at 13
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But Lana dates ugly men and glamorizes age gaps and trade lifestyle with her music+is anti feminist. Her words from her last interview were something like(it was about her book that was stolen): she wrote something about modern feminism in there and wrote "I know it's not a popular opinion in 2022 but I still wanna marry you) lol. Handmaiden thinking it's unpopular to marry men because a few people in the world don't cater to her.
I avoid calling those age gap women a victims
or insecure poor girls because that's not what's happening within them psychologically. There's rather an evil snarky attitude about their patriarchal behavior. Picrel is her Twitter… I saw it 5 minds ago. I'm always right about this kind of stuff.
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Picrel she's saying she loves that ugly moid. Reminds me of recent radtwt drama. Rfs found out a 19yo girl got pregnant with her creep 30yo bf and jumped to "politely" tell her she's getting groomed, she ignored them all whilst the radfems fought each other for DAYS over it. Good luck trying to stop those… from fucking old men. Good fucking luck. They are calling you HAGS
>>15062>It feels so bad and all women I meet are I guess "feminine" and boring, they have no imagination
There is quite a bit of that but still I’ve met amazing women with wonderful inner worlds over the years but “that” namely this>they never stand up for themselves, they don't wanna feel valued or respected all they do is care about being prostitutes who feel accomplished through making men orgasm.
behavior is always in the background. My heart weeps for their ignorance, I hurt when I gently try to explain that their male is abusing or disrespecting them, as I’ve seen it all a million times before. I’ve been told i’m cold blooded in general, so maybe I just don’t have the emotion to see such stuff with rose colored glasses. It’s a vicious cycle for me too, I always look out for them, I always try to save them. It’s like you’re trying to stop a moving train from hitting someone over and over again but you’re tied to a tree and they don’t think they’re on the tracks or that there’s a train at all. Thank you for your reply.