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Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCerohttps://twitter.com/TheBlackCerohttps://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos, when, in fact, for the most part they were not>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior">cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bEST
GHOST>used garageband for a majority of their music>knows nothing about music theory>""""nonbinary"""">had a music series but discontinued it because "i am depressed">horrible tumblr art>"bendi and the ink machine ees good game>tRIGGER WARNINGS bECause i have mental illnesses and you do toohttps://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALShttps://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
UmbraticForest>not very milky, just shitty voice, shitty art, and shitty translyricshttps://twitter.com/UmbraticForest?lang=enhttps://umbraticforest.deviantart.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrjEDps2C_OPSDOyfz_fpvQhttps://www.instagram.com/monstre__charmant/
Creep-P>terrible fucking music>keeps shilling his album>obsessive fanbase of edgy childrenhttps://www.youtube.com/user/TheCreepyPie/featured?disable_polymer=1http://music.itseyeris.com/https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie
Previous Thread: >>12305
Sorry for the lazy copy-paste OP, but I feel like with the two soon ending MikuExpo contests there is drama incoming.
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just a summary of the more recent hazuki/cero stuff. Disclaimer: don't have receipts for most of it, and didn't see the 'apology' video before it was taken down
>2018, Cero starts uploading translations on his channel.>After a while the videos start including both cero's logo and hazuki's hidden in them, usually pretty faintly but it's still obvious the two are still working together on translations/subs>Meanwhile, a lot of different channels have been reuploading hazuki's old translations. Links to a large archive of videos are posted on reddit
Things seem calm for a while, with Hazuki & Cero translating a range of songs from big producers like DECO*27 to lesser known ones
Then, earlier this month, Kaja released Unclosed Human, a wowaka tribute song that was a collab between a number of producers including cillia
>Hazuki & Cero sub and reupload the song on Cero's channel and are called out for it, hard, for reuploading without asking Kaja's permission>They make a community post on youtube that's half an apology, half trying to justify themselves by pointing out issues with youtube's captioning system e.g. a lot of producers don't enable it, accuracy of translations because anyone can upload, etc>(I think they also took the video down before this, not 100% though)>Mostly negative response from the community>Then they did a livestream titled "An Apology" where:
"They made a short speech about how it was unethical to translate/reprint without permission.
-They noted that they had never asked for permission for any of the videos on their channel, but now understood it was unacceptable…
-…And therefore they would be deleting all of their videos during the livestream." (taken from the reddit post)
Cero's channel, and all the videos on it, were deleted. Seems like a few of the channels that had been reuploading old hazuki translations have had their videos deleted or deleted them themselves in response to hazuki's blog post.
On the 14th, Hazuki posted the following statement on her blog:
"This blog is permanently inactive.
Please refrain from reuploading any video featuring my translations.
Please do not put my translations on any uploads, closed captions, wikis, etc.
Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated.
All previous translations have been deleted from the blog, and she later added to the message:
"Postscript: It has come to my attention that there may be some comprehension problem regarding my statement above.
To clarify, by “Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated,” I mean that I would like all past uses of my translations to be removed.
This includes subbed videos, closed captions, wikis, etc.
Any use of my translations should be considered unauthorized and an infringement of copyright."https://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/
If anyone has other sources/actually saw the video please add to this. sorry for messiness, not posted here before
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vocaloid voicers singing with their vocaloids isn't new, what's your point?
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my point is that it's pathetic for someone to have a copy of their own vocaloid and constantly use it for their music. it's fishing for attention because you're clearly trying to get people to care based off of the one slightly interesting thing you accomplished so they'll post brainlet comments like "omg u totally sound like dex i can't even tell the difference ur so gud wow my wigggggg" on an otherwise mediocre edm track. the duet isn't the problem. fixating upon your status as a voice provider is
He was probably given a copy since he provided the vocals? It's not like he went out and bought it. Yeah it's an attention grab but how else is he supposed to advertise dex/himself? At least he actually wrote a song for it instead of just doing a bad cover of a popular song like most people who think they'll get famous with a shitty utauloid of their own voice.
>mediocre edm track
You mean like 99% of songs by western producers?
they're all so fucking same-y as well. whether it's ghost or creep-p every song is just gore/horror/abusive
relationship. they're both in their 20s, just fucking go to therapy already and stop pandering to 3edgy5u teens
I like ferry just because she actually has a series with lore going on, and her songs don't all sound the same.
Ferry is fine, but it's sad that one of the only tolerable western producers sucks at music production. Her mixing has gotten a bit better, but it still comes across as amateurish.
She'll probably improve with time, but it fucking sucks that the only people in the community who know sound design choose to make the most uninspired EDM/muh trauma shit.
what does it matter when her brainlet middle schooler fanbase will eat up everything she releases no matter how bad or uninspired or forced it is. that's why she has no interest in actually pushing herself to improve or do anything significantly different; why care when all your feedback is going to be overwhelmingly positive anyways?>>71853
you've got the right idea, cheers
not exactly easy to find talented new japanese producers when one of the most active subbers likes to throw shitfits and insist everything they've ever translated is "tainted" and must be nuked from the internet.
Forgetfulsubs was about the best other one but they went on health hiatus almost a year ago and hasn't said anything since, and most the other subbers mentioned in the previous thread who aren't google translate level only upload one or two videos a year
oh boy ghost, i checked out housewife radio from them recently because i thought it might be interesting since i've never seen 1950's aesthetic in a vocaloid video before. music could have been catchy if they worked on it more, lyrics are bad and gumi sounds like shit even tho her english is really good.
not connected but are there any western producers you guys would recommend? i mostly listen to japanese producers and a few old english songs.
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so aki is charging forty dollars for an ugly gremlin chibi doodle because she needs money but she also has enough money to attend a four day, out of state con in atlanta with three different homemade cosplays. $28k where
Steampianist (if edgy shit is your cup of tea)
LesManga Musique (more on remixes tho)
how about those?
listened to the song you linked and its a bit too generic edm for me. quasar-p's music wasn't bad but there's definitely room for improvement in the vocals as you said.>>71907
i don't mind edgy shit every now and then, (bacterial contamination is pretty fun) but steampianist's stuff really isn't my thing.
i really like AdyS's more rocky sound, but the singing is pretty bad, in "Can't stop the world from spinning" the music just straight up overpowers the singing.
really enjoying Beau Jordan's more chill music, thrive reminds me of another song, but i cant put my figure on what.
on LesManga Musique, i'm not really into this kinda meme music but that madeon and porter robinson mashup is great.
"Mine" from ODDEEO could have been something i liked but i felt the vocals didn't work really well with it.>>71920
checking out Marvin Valentin and "Gifted Child" gave kind of a bad impression at first cus it felt flat to me, but "Starburst" is actually pretty good but they need to work on the vocals.
from Lauren Estes "Beyond the Veil" started out fun but the singing quickly ruined it, though i've heard that dex and daina are kinda low quality vocaloids. their other stuff was a bit slow for me.>>71956
yea i should prolly have started with that lol. i'm into metal/rock stuff, listening to a lot of utsu-p and maretu right now, but i also like a more electronic or pop-y sound like deco*27.
the difference is its not very often. chika and her voicer did it for one time. arsloid and his voicer did it on stage and so did seeu. sachikos voicer even made a cover and meika voicer made an original but thats the thing. they dont do it constantly and as an obvious ploy for attention because they dont even need it. all of these other voicers are already famous or well known that they dont even need a vocaloid to boost that. sometimes the things they do dont even boost the popularity of the vocaloid anyways cuz chika and arsloid are still unpopular as shit regardless.
aki, kenji, and misha are all nobodies in comparison to all of the other vocaloid voicers. the only clout they fish for comes from the vocaloid fandom and anyone willing to suck up to them. theyre all shitty people who unfortunately got vocaloids and equally shitty ones at that. the easiest way to keep clowning around for attention is to keep using their own vocaloids and promote them as good vocals even tho we all know the three are garbage. or if youre aki, scam people for money, get people to do shit for you for ugly ass keychains, pander to other languages cuz youre weeb trash, and praise shota baby panties>>71786
dex doesnt need the advertisement. character itself is the least shitty of the three worst engloids. people consider using him unlike daina and ruby. kenji himself is a desperate manchild who manipulates others into doing free fanart and doing everything he could to try to stay "relevant", including doing a "voice provider edition" of "Honey I'm Home" that nobody asked for.>>71787
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it's in very bad taste and, like with everything else they do, is a clear attempt at forced relevance. as for what >>72095
said, the people organizing the big alliance album either allowed it because either "oh em gee how could i say no to real life voice providers" or sam and aki twisted their arms into doing it. knowing how sam is having uoshi pump out dex fanart while still policing what people say about dex and daina three years after they've been released, i think we can guess which one it was at this point
kenji's might have been a duet with al and dex considering that uoshi's track art had both of them in it. iirc aki's uses daina as harmonies and al as the main vocals? point is its fine if there are vocals in the album that arent just the vocaloid its dedicated to as long as the subject gets the main vocals. thats been done in plenty of albums. but thats the tea: they use their own vocaloids and not any other engloid. its just shit shilling and self promoting. imho it would have been nicer to use another pfxloid but instead its dex and daina because its kenji and aki.>>72105
classic grown ass man acting extremely childish. its been three years. this isnt fucking utau. its a paid product. people have a right to be dissatisfied for what they paid for. grow the fuck up
It would've been pretty cute if they used another PFXloid as like a family thing. They could've used that to their advantage as a gimmick instead of hurrdurr this me Vocaloid but of course they had to be ginormous speds about it. >>72116
It's gotta be an insecurity thing. If he was actually confident about Dex and Daina he wouldn't be doing all this autistic screeching every time someone said something mean about them. Damn. At seventy dollars each they're the most expensive Vocaloids in Zero-G's library. Get over yourself.
thats just it isnt it? dex and daina are nothing to be confident about. they along with ruby are complete shit. dont forget that the pair have wookie noises for growl and somehow zero-g and yamaha allowed that.
its so funny how almost 4 years ago since dex and daina released that kenji claimed that people were entitled to their own opinion and whatever and was fine with the criticisms as long as theyre valid
. now hes a hypocrite. all he does is cry and whine and screech every time someone says something against dex and daina and sometimes its real criticism and nothing mean. he just doesnt like to hear how flawed they are and made himself the official police. if youre going to be this butthurt stick to fucking utau because a lot of those fans are just as annoying and butthurt
i know misha and syo does the same shit with ruby too but misha is also an entitled bitch who doesnt give a fuck about what retarded things she says. ruby is crowned worst vocaloid so it doesnt even matter in the end. for kenji and aki, they just keep fucking themselves up and whore for attention and use people
even for the three worst trio, dex is the most popular of them. even though he has problems people like him for other reasons. for kenji thats not enough. he has to rub dex shit all over and manipulate people to do it. its beyond pathetic
Daina just sounds bad. I dunno how anyone can justify it beyond 'feels'.
Her delivery is inconsistent. Kenji frames it as a strength as it makes her sound more "dynamic", fuck that. If I wanted my Vocaloid to sound dynamic I would tune it so. KenjiB says its because their director told them to deliver with "power" but that doesn't change that Aki didn't have enough vocal training to deliver it consistently. It doesn't matter if its Aki or the director's fault, it makes Daina sound bad.
Her gear was garbage. Who the fuck thought recording on a Blue Yeti was a good idea? You don't need the extra pickup patterns, its diaphragm is fucking tiny, and the mic has no dynamic range. You want to know why Daina has no low end, Blue Yeti can't record below 50Hz, is -5db at 100hz, and doesn't reach 0db till 200hz.
The eternal problem with many Engloids is Zero-G cheaped out on recording once again, rather than renting a studio they had each voice provider use their home studios and quality varied wildly. Its not quite Sonika's webcame mic quality, or Oliver's I can hear the Computer Fan quality, but it was still pretty bad.
The only compliment I can give is at least Dex sounds okay. I actually like Dex. He is no Big Al, but he is passable enough.
Long live The BIG ALiance. As a western fan I preordered it anyways because there are more artists than Kenji and Aki on it.
I liked it. Nice to see Meika Mikoto getting some more use. Lyrics were a bit too close to ghost/creep-p etc "muh trauma" shit but I guess that's pretty common even with japanese producers.
"here's a reference sheet in case anyone wants to draw fanart~" seemed a bit much though.
in a lot of her songs she sings in a clam, lower range (and has a general tomboy-ish masculine voice, albeit high-pitched.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeBmERz6BYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFfeTIWWcohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUDbAe4UZohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-6QPEes1k
now, this isn't to say she idn't strictly an alto, but she CAN sing low notes a lot better than say miku.
len is obviously a tenor, although his v4x can go much lower than his previous vbs.
Yea she does but cillianis a big deal in the western fandom bc thru her, anyone who collabs probably with her would be able to shill their music to a japanese audience
Like thats why i think creep should finally just drop his act and admit hes just out to shill his music. He doesnt do shit by himself anymore,
tunings done by his friends, same with pvs, and probably tries to kiss his ass through The guy who masters all vocaloid tracks bc his mixingnis trash as well
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Am I the only one here who kinda feels like Circus-P's music has gotten kinda bland over the years? As well as his general aesthetic?
I dunno, his newer stuff sounds like generic american pop songs.
What happened that made him change style? Whenever I look at his newer stuff I have a hard time believing it's the same dude who wrote Circus Monster, iNSaNiTY and mErcy all while he was a teenager.
But as an adult all he can make is bland pop music…
His stuff has never sounded stellar for me. I never understood what was so special about his works, even back then, they've always sounded either bland or extremely cheap to my ears.
From what I can see, nowadays he makes the safest possible releases, since he's aware that he's got a large enough fanbase to support whatever works he puts out. Probably doesn't feel like coming out from his creative safe space with stuff that may end up diminishing his income.
Or maybe he's just lazy and sloppy.
If you think he's stepped away from edgy stuff or whatever for the sake of his large fanbase, look at creep-p and ghost.
Also what the fuck even is his icon?
edgy circus monster bishounen boy to distract from the fact that he's probably another white, overweight loser weeb that no one would approach in real life>>72533
he was never a stellar producer to begin with, but at least his earlier songs had a distinct style and personality that set him apart. these days it just all blends together, not only within his own body of work, but with what everyone else is doing too. he seriously doesn't have any passion for what he does anymore and it shows
these days it just all blends together, not only within his own body of work, but with what everyone else is doing too. he seriously doesn't have any passion for what he does anymore and it shows
no passion is fucking right. once people hit the "popular" tier, they dont have to give a shit about what they produce anymore. its all for money and attention and they know their fans would take it anyways.
Not exactly what I meant. I don't think he stepped away from edgy stuff for the sake of his fanbase, but rather he just goes the safest and easiest route to keep himself there. He basically produces things that will keep him a (or any) fanbase, no afterthought on what he produces or anything; as long as it resembles music it'll be enough to count as content, which will give him the income he needs to keep himself afloat. In the end it all sounds bland and similar since he doesn't really care (or at least it looks like he doesn't) about what he's putting out, he's just doing so for the sake of doing so, no passion or anything involved.
But yeah, his icon looks awful.
Jesus, never thought about it before.
But now I feel bad for him. When he was a teenager, he sought after making music as an enjoyment, and it even shows in his illustrations. He used the vocaloids with much more character, not just blank states to sing for him.
Now, he's doing this for the purpose of surviving and meeting ends. He never talks about his personal life on twitter, but I can imagine he's been going through a depression for a few years now. And music was his coping mechanism.
Maybe I am just looking too far into this. It's my own thoughts.
So what exactly made the vocaloid community like this?
Because I know that the western side wasn't like this not even a few years back.
I mean, a lot of people will say that vocaloid has been losing momentum for years and I don't think that's inaccurate. Just look at Sand Planet>Written for Miku's 10th birthday celebration>song is literally just about how the creator feels vocaloid has become a desert
In Japan it seems like this has to do with producers establishing themselves through vocaloid and then moving on to have a music career without it. In the west I guess you get the opposite, people like Circus-P clinging on to vocaloid despite clearly being burnt out and no longer inspired to make music.
It's not just edgy producers, japanese fans dislike him for it too.>>72687
He got attention due to the overwhelming support of his vocaloid fans in the first place. Now that he had success outside of it and made his 400mil yt views, he finally blessed us filthy mortals with one song after years of absence that was commissioned to be a celebration for miku and all he does is shit all over not only the community, but also every new producer and displays himself as some kind of leader. If he wanted to show his displeasure with the current state there could have been a million ways to do it better while also showing your gratitude but he did it in the most rude and useless way. Hell I loved Official Orange but I can't help but feel the bitter aftertaste after reading his interview and seeing his self-cover of sandplanet. He's extremely full of himself, esp in contrast to Wowaks's take.
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>>72202>Sonika's webcame mic quality>Oliver's I can hear the Computer Fan quality
Wait what? Am I the only one here who actually likes Sonika and Oliver? (oliver more so because i own him)
used to like Oliver a lot when I was new, now I don't even want to do anything with him. I can't even draw fanart or use him for covers because it attracts creepy spergs
There's a creepy neckbeard pedo in the community that pays people to use Oliver in suggestive covers + paying cosplayers to dress up like him in a questionable way.
You can like Oliver and recognize he doesn't have good quality recordings. Some of baggagelizard's Oliver originals are among my favorite Western tracks.
There is low frequency noise and buzz in almost all his samples. Either he was recorded on a 'noisy' mic, he wasn't recorded using balanced audio equipment, or they captured background audio AC fan, computer, fan or something.
There is definitely something wrong with Oliver's samples, beyond just the untrained vocalist behind the mic.
Sonika though, besides some really good fanart/cosplay has no redeeming value. I can think of exactly 2 original songs with her that were any good, that wasn't a duet with a better Vocaloid.
I think Sonika looking like Gumi was a coincidence, what the devs really wanted was a western equivalent to Miku. Obviously, that one didn't pan out.
Tbh, every single Engloid dev team since Miku has been a struggle between weebs with no technical proficiency and software engineers that have no idea how to market to Vocaloid fans. It's why basically every launch is fucked for one reason or another
English Miku wouldn't be bad if people realized she isn't the same as JP Miku. She sounds different, needs to be tuned differently, and people using her are using her for all the wrong reasons.
Besides The Kenji
being an asshat his Vocaloid Dex actually sounds okay, Avanna is a bit soft but passable, Ruby has a shit design but doesn't sound bad. Sweet Ann was one of the better V2s. LEON, LOLA, MIRIAM are dated but weren't bad for the time.
Cyber Diva & Cyber Songman are fucking awesome in Vocaloid 5 and are a fucking steal if you get V5 Premium, especially with the upgrade pricing.
The rest? Big Al is a good meme. The rest are garbage.
Diva and Songman ARE fucking awesome. I love Diva's cutesy-yet-mature idol voice, and Songman sounds amazing as well (though some attention to him is purely because he's one of the only black vocaloids.)
and their designs are cool to me. I love the futuristic aesthetic, it's reminiscent of how crypton tried to design miku, len and rin.
but the problem is the marketing, and design. of course,
i'm not sure what it says about the vocaloid community when any male vocaloid or a vocaloid with a non-animeish avatar isn't as successful.
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Sometimes I wonder if Vocamerica is actually just one big meme that overstayed its welcome (cont.)
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Oh and she released the only English Vocaloid most of the fandom cares about years after the hype's already died down. The updates are all behind a paywall though of course. Thank you Aki, very cool.
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Jesus. Not even Len Kagamine has fans with this level of 'shota' obsession.
Though I am curious as to why Piko doesn't get the same level of obsession as the other three boys.>>72894
How is v3xman a degenerate? I actually kinda like his covers.
i thought piko had more shota fans from japan than fukase honestly. i dont even consider fukase a "shota" because his voice doesnt sound ~kawaii uguu~ but more like a teenage boy's. do some anons agree with me on this? kek>>72855
imo besides GUMI's, fukase also has a great eng voicebank
They ALL sound like teenage boys. Fukase, Piko and Len. That's how they're marketed as being. Same with Yohioloid, VY2 and Zola Project.
But it's more disturbing when people sexualize Oliver imo because his voice provider is an actual 13 year old boy and not a man (or woman) voice acting.
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piko seems to have more "woke" fans from the west side and thankfully they're contained in tumblr/vocaloid amino. the likes who'd draw him in a dress and claim he's genderspecial trans uwu
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To be fair, he was intended to give an androgynous/effeminate flair, like the real life PIKO.
But yeah, lately he's gotten the same treatment as vFlower of people assuming he's trans when he's not.
eh, she has her appeals. to me, at least. i think her accent is kinda cute, actually. she's better than len v4 english at least.
i also think it's funny how ghpz tries imitating circus-p but kinda sounds better than him
Of course, GHPZ is a better producer than Circus. He spent more time practicing his craft. Plus, there is a reason he won the MikuExpo concert.
Plus how much time has Circus spent on "hiatus"? Sure Circus has been around for a long time, but he spent at least of that time "quit" or being involved in some sorta drama.
Circus has spent more time on hiatus than many producers entire careers in Vocaloid. Time in the scene does not translate into quality. Many newcomers are much more skilled and more productive than many longtime veterans.
egh its pretty much just a chill and cute song and i like how rin's voice was tuned in it, hence the reason why i kind of found it enjoyable (after a lot of listens lol)
sage for blogpost
I mean does anyone remember old VocaloidOtaku Circus? He deleted and completely purged his YouTube channel at least 3 times. He has always been a mentally unstable attention whore. I saw his bad breakup with Crusher-P a mile away.
Fuck, I have been following some of these Western producers for over a decade. Man some of them are so disappointing. I don't know any of the V1-V2 era Western producers that turned out well. Give me a dozen GHPZs any day.
Holy shit. I haven't been in the Vocaloid Community long enough to see old drama, but…is there any screenshots? Or any recording of his tantrums? Or his fight with Crusher?
Man what does GHPZ see in this dude
said. please provide evidence if you have any because i would love to witness his hissy fits firsthand
RIP. No screenshots, was all VocaloidOtaku drama. Before Twitter drama and Amino drama there was VO drama. It was the #1 hub of bullshit and drama from the western community's early years.
Place closed down after the lead admin had a mental breakdown after he was accused of abusing donations. He used to earn $250/mo in PayPal donations pre-Patreon to cover "server costs" and run a vBulleting message board.
I had a love-hate relationship with the shithole, the people were terrible, but the drama was delicious. There were your usual weeby assholes who knew nothing of music and listed over shota, but it also had a lot of knowledgeable people who actually used the software as well. It was a bittersweet fruit. I still miss the place.
Not only was it 25k users, but it also had a lot of Western producers active in the discussions. The post-closure spin-off, founded by select mods was never the same and was mired by identity politics, clique groups, and no actual producers, just obsessive fans who never touched the software in their life.
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The thing about the admin abusing donations was some lowkey drama for a while. He'd almost totally dropped out of the Vocaloid fandom and just kept hanging onto the site to squeeze money out of it.
The actual last straw was when he decided to sell Alter Ego voicebanks of his OCs, didn't get a license, and fucked over absolutely everyone on the dev team to take 100% of the profit. Site got nuked right afterwards since no one in their right mind would give him money anymore.
Friendly reminder Vocallective Records is still run by this scumbag. He is a leech of the western community and is only in it for money and ego.https://www.vocallective.net/
He sucks up aspiring producers into his "record label" promises them the moon and for that… he publishes their music to BandCamp for them, negotiates bad deals for cheap bundles on Groupies. All while taking a cut of their sales.
From what I can see one of the sources for all these people complaining was this one artist on Twitter who complained the song "wasn't European enough": https://twitter.com/yen_mi1/status/1197156697762127872
But apparently things have spiraled down enough there people are selling their tickets over a song: https://twitter.com/MIKUSAMAREVIEWS/status/1196877094711640066
The language barrier has made it harder looking up some tweets unless those are just some rumors being spread around to stir drama. Wish there's some Spanish-speaking anon here who could provide some milk though.>>73388>yen_mi
lol I see this person is still around copying a bunch of popular Japanese artists. From iXima, Suzunosuke, then now Rella.
So it's twitter overreacting and misinterpreting again. I like the song too and will be dancing and singing with it no matter what but the complaint isn't unreasonable. Most europeans simply aren't used to latin genres outside of Spain. But then again, I fully understand MikuExpo's decision too. They wanted a song that is original, represents a spirit of Vocaloid being international and about the experience of going to the concert, is well tuned and is preferably with several languages mixed in. They didn't state it directly but it was kinda between the lines in their contest page and tweets. And a suprising amount of submissions didn't really explore these criterias.
And I saw that ticket selling tweet you linked too but have yet to see anyone stating that the reason for their selling is because of MikuFiesta. It doesn't make sense either, why would the ones in barcelona sell their tickets? >>73390
Same, pls enlighten us
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I could be VERY wrong, but…is this the same Yen-mi that made some shitty genderless furry UTAU (named 'Bai-F0)?
The girl who sold her tickets is his LDR ex-gf and he was into her when she was a minor. IDK what is up with that because I don't follow but his current gf and his followers were posting clowns in her replies and calling her pelotuda/stupid in spanish and she had to lock her account.
These people act shitty but the north american community as always is unaware of spanish tea and polices opinions bec "Don't like the song? >racist!"
The spanish community has always been a special brand of autistic thought I can't speak for the fans actually in Europe but the Spanish speaking Latin American audience has always been especially dumb.
Spanish speakers don't deserve Voctro Labs. They are a great fucking company, made quality Vocaloid, but left the scene to make video game tools and their own synthesizer after they got almost no support.
The rampant piracy of Bruno and Clara paid with the self entitled attitude of many Spanish speakers was honestly kinda disgusting.
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I'm glad someone mentioned that, it's not okay
honestly if a grown ass adult is into len that's already a red flag for me 'coz of the amount of creeps in this community
a quick google led me to a banned Vocaverse forum account with just two posts, hm
We've been a shit community ever since Lady Gaga had Miku as an opening singer with her shit v3 english back in 2014.
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No, like, for real. Thanks Lady Gaga, skank ruined the community because of this by allowing normie pop fans and regular anime fans and hentai addicts in.
there were even of vocaloid fans complaining about this, and everyone was responding with "it's not just for you anymore".
it can all be traced to this
I would say part of the problem, that lead to this stagnation in the west, is the lack of official support from any Western Vocaloid companies.
PowerFX checked out in 2010 with BIG AL, they outsourced Oliverm Yohio, and Ruby to that dumpster fire of a company run by Anders, VocaTone.
Zero-G has always been schizophrenic about their support for Vocaloid. They tried experimenting with Sonika's design, making that a contest, but in the V3-V4 era, they always tried to keep the greater community at length.
They struggled with character designs removing the fantasy elements from Avanna, and the kemonomimi from Dex and Daina in order to placate their Western distribution partners (BigFishAudio, et. al.) that did not understand the Vocaloid thing and were afraid of weebshit™ alienating serious producers.
Yamaha being Yamaha is way too fucking aloof. CYBER SONGMAN & CyVa V5 are probably one of the best Vocaloid ever produced but they didn't get promoted for shit besides being an addon for V5 Premium, causing them to loose a lot of hype as if they were a stand-alone release.
We don't have our 1st Place, Crypton, or Internet Co, that engage with their community, run official events, continually promote and support their products and characters.
Beyond its final closure in 2018 VO bled a lot of users and the community fractured. 2018 fandom was much more decentralized than the 2010 fandom. Unless you were actively searching for it, F5-ing the tags on Tumblr, Soundcloud, Twitter, etc. it was easy to miss new releases and artists.
VO's decline wasn't a sudden closure, but a long running series of events that ended in its closure. It was on its decline due to mis managment for a long time. At the same time VocaloidOtaku was too big and it strangled every other traditional forum from Vocaloid-User to MikuFan. The only way you could survive with VO hogging all the users was if you made your niche distinctly different, a la UtaForum.
Beyond VO's specific decline, message boards were on a decline as a whole. Don't 'ok boomer' me, I am old but not that old (I do no some boomer Vocaloid producers) but honestly I blame #hashtag culture. Sure you felt closer to your community in a Discord server or Facebook Group, but the conversations seem more ephemeral and if you were looking to learn and actually USE VOCALOID like I was, Discord and Facebook Groups are practically useless.
As for the general decline of Vocaloid in the west I blame an inability to make money within this niche. Because of the age of the audience (young and poor) and the early free (as in beer) culture, the community cultivated, you can't monetize it and producers that are into it have to do so for alternative reasons, mostly ego. If people fail to immediately grab attention, they drop out.
Also, the "decline of vocaloid" is not just a Western problem, I know many people that think the same of Japan as well, where once producers make it big, they stop making Vocaloid music and go on to anime/videogames/other genres, etc. There are some counterarguments to this, I honestly don't believe it, but I have heard many people repeat it.
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Y'all see Magenetra's post about youtube's latest bullshit? People in the comments suggesting that because the bot flagging videos for 'child-directed content' is going to be targeting anything cartoon/animated a lot of vocaloid is going to get flagged. Kinda worried it's going to end up with producers/subbers etc just leaving youtube entirely rather than have to deal with this shit and the only alternatives are like NND or bilibili.
Also heard a tinfoil that this whole thing is because youtube is hoping people will complain enough to overthrow COPPA so youtube can keep making money off of pedo elsagate videos.
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No, Crypton is the one trying to attract minors both in the west and in Japan. The Miku English official twitter account is a fountain of 'how do you do, fellow kids?' cringe and I would pinpoint it (created in 2014) as the shift in the fandom to an even more kiddy one. Accounts like mikumiku_ebooks and all the ebooks meme cancer accounts didn't help. You can't look up Vocaloid tags nowadays without being flooded with 14 year olds photoshopping Len into a leg or some shit. You think Lady Gaga showing Miku once many moons ago to an audience who dgaf about Vocaloid had more impact than a Crypton approved 117k account that tweets childish shit like this?
Maybe children won't spend money but they beg their parents to and once they turn 18 and get part time jobs they have no sense of responsibility and waste their entire paychecks on Miku things instead of saving to move out. You only have to see how people around the ages of 18-21 compete with collecting Miku merchandise to be the biggest Miku fan, something I had never seen in the western fanbase before. Cultivating a fanbase like this can be as profitable as catering to older otaku or producers, or even moreso, because children are never critical of Vocaloid companies and their organized events.
Is there anything sadder than the fact that VO not only protected popular users that turned out to be pedos, but also entirely new users
who are pedos
Well, when VO was alive, there was actual fear that calling out the pedos would kill the entire site. Like other people have mentioned, VO was the only real hub for the western community for the latter part of its existence, and the main admin was only interested in it as long as he could make money. It just so happened that several of the biggest patrons were adult dudes who wanted to keep the site around to sexually harass teenagers. If they were kicked out, their paychecks would go away. Very fucked up dynamic all around.
I can't wrap my head around why they would repeat this on a server that costs $0 to run, where they get absolutely no personal benefit. It's not a good thing to be controlled by pedos you numbnuts.
I love the software but I keep out of the fandom completely. The two biggest groups are young stupid kids who say Miku made Minecraft and pedophiles who try to fuck them but ask anyone else what the problem is and they'll say "people sexualising Miku!!!"
I once saw a callout post about "dangerous pedophile in the Vocaloid community" and all the screenshot was was them saying Miku was there waifu. It wasn't until a few days later when someone ELSE said "they're a pedo because they've said they want to fuck kids" and posted a screenshot of them saying on Facebook that they thought 11 year olds were hot or some shit. Miku being his waifu was MORE important to them than him being actually attracted to real children. The whole thing is totally fucked and a lost cause.
Ortsa was in this Kagamine server I was, and he'd post ~lewd~ shota Len fanart like a horny dipshit all the time. Being a Rinfag and a Lenfag aren't mutually exclusive things.
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Should this kind of shit have a name? I've been thinking "Vocagate" or something along the lines of it.
I'm personally disturbed by this because I was introduced to Vocaloid when I got a copy of Oliver for my 15th birthday a few years back…
I used to think the Vocaloid community was innocent and harmless.
I don't know the name as it was in Japanese but its by Kikuo. It was on his Pixiv but its gone now after the backlash from western children on Twitter.>>73631
It should have a name but unfortunately no one even gives enough of a shit to name it. Unless you're sharing Miku or Len porn you can get away with whatever. The Vocaloid community is dangerous. Even the kids will right threads about you if you dare post a photo of yourself in a Miku cosplay in a lewd pose, but will do absolutely nothing if you are groomed by gangs of pedophiles.
Here's people discussing it in the last thread:>>>/w/64905
The person who made the original callout was like 14 and shouldn't be reading that shit in the first place.You can see other people in the thread talking about having looked it up for themselves.
Well, something needs to be done. We all need to spread the word.
I don't want another Elsagate…
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>>But Miku (and all Vocaloids) are designed to be anything you want them to be, including sexy women.
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whatever this song is going to be about, i'm sure sam will tackle the subject matter in a very nuanced and tactful fashion that won't be influenced by kneejerk twitter politics at all
my GOD, does this leeching asshole do anything other than talk about politics all the fucking time?? i actually prefer akiglancy over this guy. at least she's passionate about what she does
no like seriously, look through his twitter. he retweets leftist news articles ALL the time. get a life dude
I watched his stream.
Let me spoil it for you:
It is a song about school shootings.
passionate but just as bad of a leech. doesnt pay anyone properly and bitches about being broke but buys shit she cant afford
both of them are manipulative cunts either way
As much as I agree that his rants are annoying as fuck. I just can't bring myself to have any preference when it comes to him vs. Aki. Mostly because Aki made a team of animators work for her with VOCAMERICA merch (keychains, some stickers and a shirt) as payment.
I honestly don't even know what's worse, the fact that she did this, or the fact that people accepted it and animated anyway. It's just mesmerizing that she made an entire KickStarter, didn't calculate (considering she calculated anything at all) animators payment in the amount, and thought delivering them bootleg-level merch would do it.
In either cases, it's fucked up how much most of the big name English producers get away with.
the fact that she still does this and people submit to it is disgusting. people think shes an angelic popular and successful western producer that theyre willing to get used if only to get recognition
wake the fuck up. youre all being manipulated into doing shit for free or cheap shit
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A lot of the money went to Adan and Akuo (controversial figures mentioned here >>60390
) Adan made the models and Akuo the textures and a lot of the illustrations.
The theory is she pissed most of money away in merchandise like those Dex/Daina custom plushes and probably in travel and other booth/promotion expenses, considering Vocamerica flew to Europe twice.
I have heard years ago from bts she did not compensate at least some of the producers involved and not sure about the animators but rumors exist they are paid in merchandise instead.
Unfortunately, those about the animators being paid in merch aren't rumors. It was a statement by Aki herself on a YouTube video she's posted years ago while looking for "Emergency Animators" for VOCAMERICA. The video (which was posted in this now defunct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpMpUP-ce90
) has been taken down since then, and I haven't been able to find anyone with a back-up for a re-up. In the video she basically stated animators were going to be paid in merchandising, as "they didn't have enough budget to pay them money for it".
she has yet to deliver those KS stretch goals yet she has the audacity to ask for more money
iirc she's planning to launch another KS for this next year
it's funny and sad like, every now and then she would post her weeb shit haul then later see her e-begging with commissions or patreon
but she had enough money to buy moke, a physical copy of longya, fl studio, materials for multiple cosplays made from scratch, cash for non-vocamerica related cons and all their expenses, and god only knows what else. i should probably mention that aki also e-begged for three hundred dollars so that her sink could be repaired about two years ago. to think she quit her real job to "work on vocamerica full-time" for this is something else.
as for extra vocamerica financial fuckups, for some reason she thought it necessary to buy hundreds of glow sticks to hand out to attendees so it could be like ~a real vocaloid concert desu~, multiple times. she travelled overseas twice for absolutely no reason when she should've focused on domestic audiences first. she spent money on physical cd copies of albums that had almost nothing to do with vocamerica or any of its producers, such as two different robo albums and some furry utau compilation thing that happened to feature dex and daina because sure why not, which were subsequently sold at her tables. basically, anyone who still respects and supports akiglancy at this point is an orbiting retard.
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Lupin really did turn Uoshi into his fanboy slave. This is just getting creepy now.
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I’m actually very surprised WaffleFoxAlpha “P” hasn’t been brought up yet (unless I missed something from the previous thread)
She posted a tutorial about how she traces from 3D models- not just the figure but the shadows and face as well. It wouldn’t have bothered me as much if not for the obligatory “It’s not technically tracing” and praise from the 13 yr olds (she’s 23 btw). She’s done work for some more unknown P’s like, iirc, Quasar.
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ive seen her around and didnt think much of her other than a lumi fan as another anon said. art was never my cup of tea. the lighting is too bright that it hurts to look at
learning that she traces models and getting praise tho. yikes. no thanks
The models aren’t hers, she uses some application named DAZ Studio.
Legally, yes it’s fine. But the tracing of the model down to the generated shadows just makes the art look so wonky- especially when she doesn’t know how to draw hair or folds in clothing properly.
Here’s a link to the tutorial (on amino go figure)http://aminoapps.com/p/us24j2
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never thought i'd see DAZfags anywhere outside of creepy uncanny valley porn on pixiv, let alone someone trying to sell their art to prods in the vocommunity kek
It's basically like those kids who trace gacha studio, but for adults
Sucks cuz I thought it was original art, and I like Lumi
PowerFX vocaloids are usually more expensive than Zero-G vocaloids and they rarely roll out discounts. Also love yourself and buy Cyber Diva instead.
Speaking of Ruby, does anyone remember that claim of Crypton was interested in picking her up?
Some time ago their V2s used to cost $120-ish then had a permanent price down. Oliver used to cost around that too. But I do agree Yohioloid might be expensive due to 1.) 2 vbs (eng/jp), 2.) YOHIO possibly getting a cut as an agreement/licensing. Ruby might have been $100 ever since as an introductory price for V4 (and their only V4).
Not to defend Ruby or anything, I think it's just really PowerFX not caring about Vocaloid anymore and just keeps them up for as long as they could.>>74458
thought the same as well, too convenient for it to bring up during the time Ruby's release was in limbo and if Crypton's really interested wouldn't NDAs be in place?
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expect more gibsmedats in the upcoming months
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^ in reply to someone saying they don’t like her voice on Yunosuke’s new song
I know Jubybooby is kinda old news and we all know she’s fucked but I’m not the only one who sees through that moderator bs, right?
She’s done damage control with her “moderator” multiple times but, god, this was bad. First she claims to use no auto-tune which is bullshit, then continues to self-advertise for no reason? Why is a moderator even on Yunosuke’s video lmao.
Everything she writes makes it sound like she’s applying for a job- I mean have you seen her wiki page? It’s a whole essay about her career (and her 8+ octave range as her moderator stated on one of her videos)
Maybe I’m just nitpicking but the whole act is just super embarrassing, especially when she’s extremely mediocre as a singer. Can she just leave the vocaloid community for good already lol
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she'll probably piggyback on it like this>>74502
this feels like a bot posting
This feels like a bot. It definitely is.
Also her octave range thing is B.S. Remember all her earlier covers where she pitched the song down? And even then, she has trouble hitting high notes.
She clearly cant't hit low notes either, given by her having to pitch up the audio in her cover of Lemon. She can't sing Bass or Baritone, nor Soprano.
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tbf PFX's design of Ruby was ugly as fuck I would've made a campaign to change it too
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doesn't come to me as a surprise. misha's a whole clown. she basically fishes for oppression points like every other sjw. have you seen her twitter bio?
it's like she's about to make a check list for all races under the sun.
for me, it just looks like she uses these as an excuse to post those extremely shitty (and borderline racist) takes she has on every single of the races she usually says she's a part of.
that aside ruby is a mistake in every aspect. the voicebank performs poorly, sample quality is, well, what you would expect from a sub-par mic in a bedroom, and the voice itself sounds bad. literally no one asked for another female vocal with a sinus infection.
Lupin had talked about it on stream. Zero-G was accepting demo reels, they liked how he sounded, they invited him to audition.
Aki was already doing artwork for Zero-G, Avanna's boxart as they wanted someone in the community to do the art. That's how she established a connection to Zero-G. Knowing she had made an UTAU before they had invited her to submit a demo reel.
The "female vocal" was outsourced to VocaTone by PowerFX. Misha had connections to VocaTone staff and got a private invite through those connections. I think Bil Bryant would later regret this one.
All had made UTAU at one point. Being an early adopter to UTAU likely played a part in all of it.
Since in the west, there's a super low chance professional vocalists would make a vocaloid due to it's reputation here(compared to how eastern VA's might go "my vocaloid could be the next Miku*"), they're almost forced to use either random people or people in the fandom already. Companies might think "Well since this person is already well known it might get more sales", and that's how shitty fandom vocals are born.
Kinda hilarious how if a english Vocaloid is voiced by someone in the fandom it's almost always shit. English vocaloids aren't everyone's cup of tea, and Songman and Cyva might be a little nasal at times but at least they weren't recorded on a Yeti in someone's basement
*newer vocaloids almost always fail but this is just an example
I hate the design too, but that doesn't justify her getting her SJW weeb army to push an entire company out of vocaloid because of her racial inferiority complex.
I highly doubt shes all those races. She's pale as fuck.
Man, English Vocaloids are somewhat OK. It's western // american utauloids that suck ass. everything that's made with that godamn program is a cringe weeb fantasy come true.
i still can't comprehend how kikyuune aiko got so popular despite having a nasal mom voice just like daina.
the main problem is that western female utauloids have unappealing voices while male utauloids sound too bland and can't hit high notes
I will never understand how people think UTAU is better than Vocaloid, especially when 90% of western UTAU, japanese or not has a super strong disgusting accent. I once heard a CV from someone that had literal sick sniffling in the samples.
Yamaha might have questionably retarded business practices but V5 isnt bad to the point where singing weeb OC maker sounds anywhere comparable to it. If I wasn't biased against EmVoice I'd say its the worst synth(but even EmVoice has better results than UTAU)
Especially now that people try to make their UTAUs diverse and care even less
about actual vocal quality.
Honestly, it was a mix of being early to the game, regular with releases, and sheer quantity and body of work. Popularity begets popularity after all.
Beyond that Myst and her circle has always been particularly effective in building a personal brand and engaging the community. I am not just talking about her being an admin of UtaForum either, but her efforts in the Overseas-Utafest DA group, and her frequent collaborations with other producers and artists.
I think a key point was the 2013 release "United Together Around UTAU". It was one of the first Western releases to be tabled at the Japanese doujin event Minna no UTAU and was key to exposing many of the featured artists and UTAU to Japanese audiences and mainstream appeal, or as mainstream as you get within this niche.
Collabs, collabs, collabs, and a lot of networking within the niche is the reason Aiko is so popular. Besides United Together I suspect the breakout hit of Bi☣hazard was a major part of it, it was the first of Crusher-P's "killer hook, drop the damn bass already" hit parade and it was a breakout hit in Japan. I think Aiko is the only western UTAU I know of to get an EXIT TUNES release.
There are better western UTAU definitely, Cz-loid is a love of mine, but no other Western UTAU makers has worked harder in the niche, put themselves out there more, and has done a good of a job self-promoting as Myst & Kiikyune Aiko have. Her current notoriety is built on literally a decade of work.
Are there actually people who think UTAU is better than Vocaloid that is like… order than 13?
Any competent UTAU user who has used both clearly understand's UTAU's limitation. Its accessibility problems, its lack of dictionary, and all the various hacks you gotta do to make things sound decent.
It certainly has its own advantages, you can create your own without having to trade sexual favors with Anders Sodergren for example, you can add additional samples to emulate your native language and new phonemes, it is free/shareware, etc. etc.
But I don't think anyone who didn't have their head up their own ass would say UTAU>Vocaloid, especially if they ever used Vocaloid 5 Editor.
On that note, I can't take any Vocaloid producer seriously that is NOT using Vocaloid 5 Editor. Looking at you Lupin, he said on stream he doesn't buy Vocaloid 5 because he doesn't really like Vocaloid. WTF dude why you even a producer and keep milking this community if you don't even goddamn like Vocaloid.
Is there any way at all to make in in the UTAU community in 2019-2020? asking this because I've been interested in the community myself for a long time (yes i'm a cringe weeb) and i've just thought about doing it for fun.
Of course, i want to put effort into it.
quantity ≠ quality
admit it. her voice sucks
SynthV too, but according to what I heard the EmVoice devs did the same shit
Man, why are all independent synths ran by UTAUfags
I love Luka but yeah, the account holder seems extremely patheric. They remind me of those fandom callout tumblr users who hate everything that is even slightly ""problematic
""(read:not 100% morally right mary sues or villians) or everything that isn't about their chosen self-insert.
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Kek, nevermind. It seems like that account is run by one of her jap. neckbeards who jumped on the drama because he is angry there isn't enough posts on her patreon.
synthV dev used to work on a miku knockoff vocal synth and pitchforks were raised after people found out it was a blatant reverse engineer of Vocaloid. The fandom was quick to demonize him until he came back developing moresampler, in which the utaufags quickly worshipped him for. Eventually he announced he was working on a new synth (which will become Synthesizer V) and I sure do remember utaufags getting their hopes up thinking it's their meal ticket of having their singing OCs on a different engine.>>74821
The funny part about this is the voice provider for Emvoice Lucy is the same VP for CZloid. I remember CZ being salty at SynthV dev for making his own English recording list. There's something funny about CZ being adamant about their precious English UTAU list only to jump ship to Emvoice later.
generally, i ignore/mute these ebooks account as some of them are run by children. kids are dumb and it's not the end of the world.
though the mikubooks and len cfm accounts are next level autism. the mikubooks mod is a creepy troon and whoever's running the len cfm account is an insufferable orbiter
anyway which anon retard cowtipped that luka account, now we'll have more newfags shitting up the thread
Where'd you get that info about the VP of Lucy being the same one as CZloid? Only got results leading back to this thread when I tried searching for that.
It's a shame the emvoice devs are retarded because I actually liked Lucy's voice bank, and they were onto something with choosing to use casual pronunciation as default. But $200 for a half-broken plugin? No thanks.
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back when emvoice used to call itself soho
It's also equally silly to suggest she really does have an 8 octave range.
I take back my original statement, She's Soprano. The only instance of her singing Tenor is when she covers Kagamine Len songs (and even then, they're not that low. While Len is a tenor range vocaloid, his VP is a woman.)
Rachie and Kuraiinu on the other hand actually have impressive ranges.
Bro, his first project, the voca ripoff, was him being a fucking nerd, because at first he wanted to make miku sing chinese, and then make a utau esque editor where you'd record ur own vbs. Thats why most thought synthv was goin to do that too
Never saw anyone hate on him personally, and i didnt either because it was his old devs team decision. Anyways, since renri is in synthv, the possibility that it allows user vbs is still there lol
Did you all see this? https://twitter.com/nostr8answer/status/1203957263079219201
I personally wouldn't mind a wish list, had it consisted of stuff with decent prices (although, I think it's a kind of a reach already, considering his only merit for having people buy him things is being "best known as the voice of VOCALOID DEX."), but the dude literally has a whole set of studio equipment with prices around 99$ to 299$ (granted there are cheaper products there), an almost 300$ pair of dumbbells, and a… 580$ DSLR camera?
Maybe it's just me, but I think that's kind of too much to ask for just being the voicer of a VOCALOID (which, for itself, is a paid product). I have to laugh lol
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i don't know what's more annoying, skinny luka or its buddies. this astro person has been showing their ass a lot lately, especially with the whole "loooooooooool i'm cancelling livetune" thing
If you sincerely thought that all japanese producers know what they’re doing, you haven’t seen that much of vocaloid lol
I think a good example of a producer who can’t write well is eve, where all of his songs sound similar and are written in the same exact key
And Honeyworks who just can’t write interesting songs for shit
For the most part, only the best Japanese produced vocaloid songs make it into the English language internet. So there's definitely a lot of bad Japanese content, it's just obscure
Being Japanese doesn't make someone a better music producer.
Bless your soul I was looking for these trials
I own vocaloid already(not miku yet), I'm just a retard still trying to learn the software
As far as I understand it's just a retarded joke but knowing twitter there are probably people who'd just assume livetune actually did something bad purely based on their shitposting.
Also please stop giving those children attention, they probably get off on it.
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>search up childish war by reol
>juby and rachie's cover comes up first instead of the original
god fuck youtaites. rachie's parts especially were too autotuned and the harmony was louder than the melody for her parts
Anyone remember old Japanese Vocaloid horror songs? So many of them were absolute trash in the name of being loud and chaotic. Guess it mainly just makes me laugh cuz you could go into the comments and always find people being like “this is so deep. nobody criticize this you can’t criticize it because it’s deep”
Honestly, if that isn’t the issue I have with a lot of songs. If it’s about something serious suddenly to mouthbreathers that means it must be good and you can’t be critical. Nothing wrong with writing about serious things, but sometimes it feels like fans and maybe even the producers themselves use this to deflect criticism.
TadanaCo has like at least one decent song, just a very specific style. I can see why people wouldn't like it, but I don't think Alkaline Adult is the best example since it's not even one of his popular songs. Yue ni You & Me is probably his most well-known.>>75285
kek I still listen to some Babuchan stuff but the comments are full of people trying to be deep like "I think this is about a girl being raped" or "this is about a miscarriage!!1!" like what clued you in, the fact that their logo is literally a fetus??
It's the same with people complaining Kikuo writes about child abuse like wtf were you expecting from a song with a picture like Gomenne or a title like "you're a worthless child"
Fuck, Honeyworks' songs are soulless. My first taste of them was from Suki Kirai. Thought to myself, alright, cute song - kind of mediocre and generic, but what other songs they have?
Then I learned that 99% of their songs are shallow shoujo manga garbage.
How's about a roundup of songs from big names released in the last month-ish? Most recent is Circus' new anxiety anthem "Afraid of Everything."
Already discussed a bit, GHOST's "Entomologists."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQI5a2WGt2s
Next up, KIRA's "i DO what i WANT."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAo9E7OOCk
And as a bonus, nostraightanswer's DEX cover of "Afraid of Everything."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vKSoxSW92w
Opinions? Insights? Relevant milk?
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Is it an already established thing that Aiko's design is basically Blue Rin™? Is that something Myst gets insecure about?
The lack of originality throws me off a lot. Not that Crypton's VOCALOIDs were anything exceptionally original (given it's basically just a revamped tech-y school concept), but Aiko screams bootleg merch. It's the kind of thing you'd see in a con being sold for 5$, just like that blonde MEIKO keychain.
I wouldn't have much problem with it either, weren't for Myst talking about her design as if she'd just invented the wheel sometimes.
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so this was really the best she could do this year huh
That's honestly pretty sad.
Ten years and absolutely nothing to show for it.
She does the sketch, base coloring, and then slaps on a multiply layer and shades using one color. She does cell shading and it’s so lazy, especially with the way she does it.
What bothers me most about her style is the lazy-ass highlights and disproportionate bodies. It’s so simple and boring, why would anyone buy from her when they can get someone else who knows how to shade and do perspective for much less?
For someone who writes such shit music, you’d think they’d try a LITTLE harder so their art can at least be a selling point. Like with Cillia and her tuning lmao
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Its something claimed and propagated, but I never saw it myself, even in Aiko's first 2009 design. The key parts of Aiko's design have always been the knee length split boots, the hoodie, the skirt w/ spats, short hair, hair clips, and arm warmers.
Basically, the only thing Aiko had in common with Rin was short hair and arm warmers and that arm tattoo, but this was 2009, everyone had arm warmers and arm tattoos, but those are hardly unique to just Rin, I mean Miku had them too.
There were plenty of knockoff Vocaloid designs in 2009, Aiko is probably not one of them. Sure, she took some inspiration from Crypton, but everyone did and the entire "blue rin" thing is mostly a meme and never was true.
lol you make a failing argument, delete your post, and that's your new response?
Myst has gotten so much shit from jealous UTAU-tards and the "I don't get why she is so popular" crowd for over a decade. She stopped popping into and engaging these threads years ago when they would come up monthly on DeviantArt & VocaloidOtaku drama threads.
Your "edgy" new opinion is neither new nor original. It's the same baseless garbage people unfamiliar with UTAU have been parroting for over a decade. Like no one can google what her 2009 design looked like? You can look it up and form your own opinion. Most don't go that far before just repeating just the same 'blue rin' narrative without checking themselves.
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Holy shit! You are right. How could I ever have been so blind? They look EXACTLY alike! Sailor fuku, shorts, those belt things, leg warmers, that gigantic fucking bow. It's all the same!
Like dude, if the only parallel you have is "short anime hair" then to character design is original.
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Almost. Just a dude who made a low effort stick figure UTAU.
ITT. People making rhetorical arguments to someone who is not here.
To avoid further misconceptions I already claimed the post. If you are replying to that post, please direct it at me.
>other shitty UTAUfags can do better than you
Please drop some names. I am staff on UtaForum and UTAU.wiki and I consider myself generally knowledgeable about UTAU, at least out here in the West. Who are these UTAU?
Have they tabled at Minna no UTAU multiple times? Have they been published by EXIT TUNES? How well regarded and used are they outside of their creator? How well-received are they in Japan? If not these metrics, how do you quantify an UTAU's success?
Honestly, UTAU, "success", recording, design. I would love a serious UTAU discourse. I am a certified UTAUfag and would love for you to elaborate on all these topics.
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100% Real California Milk
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cliquefags please go
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totally not rin
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I mean if we are just posting images…
I was always a fan of the Senbonzakura art myself. It must be the eyepatch, it screams chuunibyou.
With so many original designs what makes Rin art Rin? Some have long hair, some have short hair, some have childlike pigtails, some have bows, some do not, some in shorts, some in skirts, others in elaborate kimono.
Besides the blonde hair what makes Rin art Rin? What if she no longer has blonde hair? Is it the Pixiv tags, is it what the artist says, what the community says? Is a stick figure I arbitrarily tag as Rin on Imgur Rin?
Not just Rin, but any Vocaloid really.
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There's also a design of Rin where half of her body is cut off and attached to Len's body.
Listen, unlike the others here I'm not saying that Aiko is a direct ripoff of Rin.
The shoulder-length hair and barettes, however, prove that Rin inspired her design somewhat.
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Definitely. This I concede.
She was made in 2009. Her original design didn't even have feet because why draw anything not rendered in the YouTube release video? lol that was the mentality of the time.
UTAU styles of the day called for a -ne ending name, leg/arm warmers, useless triangle pattern belts, and that stupidly awkward boxart post.
Look at the #UTAUofthedecade tag on Twitter. A lot of the early UTAU stuff was bad, many were Vocaloid inspired, there is a lot of overlap between the communities. That being said looking at the tag most of the weebs shed their Vocaloid influences over the years in favor of more "original" desins.
The one design element Myst has kept was the pause/play barrettes. She shed the tattoo, the arm warmers turned into bracers, and even the hairstyle waffled over the years. The ahoge appearing, disappearing, getting floofier, more solid, etc. with only the length staying the same. Which I think is less significant considering how often Rin's hair changes in PV art, I don't think even the length is signature to Rin.
Why I never liked the "Blue Rin" narrative was because besides being of limited accuracy, it was stuck in a specific time period, repeated ad nausium within the "fandom" (no wonder it used to annoy Myst), never updated with the times, and often used to dimish and/or belittle the work that has gone into Aiko over the years.
Also to continue my previous thought experiment.
Is the attached image Rin?
Would that change if I attached said image to a cover of Rin cover of Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru and tagged the video and its related media #vocaloidrin?(namefag sperg)
lmao look at what this faggot is posting on twitter
Hentai I thought you could take a joke because you were the one who made that stickman UTAU but fucking hell this is beyond autism.
The western fandom is in that weird middle ground where there are lots of people who know about it, but anyone who's REALLY into it has depression and self esteem issues. Anyone who's actually talented/disciplined has better things to do with their time, and the less talented get to coast since it's not like anyone's going to usurp their (technically earned but not necessarily warranted) popularity. No point in trying to make your own stuff when there's lots of content already made that you can consume at your leisure.
It's sad, yeah, but it's not like anyone has the motivation to really do anything about it. I can always listen to Cantarella or anything else pre-2010 if I really want to scratch the nostalgia itch that bad.
I do predict a resurgence in the coming decade, though. Here's to hoping the nostalgia wave actually produces something worth listening to.
Because people that were kiddos back when it first got popular are now adults with jobs and money. They're going to make things inspired by what they liked when they were young. And if they wanted to be a Vocaloid producer and don't have anything better to do now, they can go achieve that dream. It's not like there's nothing stopping them.
The beauty of Vocaloid is that you have something you can find creators based off (the vocals in their music), but there's no limits on what that content is. Literally all you need is someone to make good content on a consistent basis and people will start talking about it.
go for it dude, and don't worry about having perfect tuning right off the bat either. vocaloid has a learning curve like every other instrument and you're likely going to struggle with it at first. oliver especially can be difficult to tune so don't get discouraged if your first attempts aren't like, god tier stellar. >>75832
honestly the fandom should be glad vocaloid even has this as far as wide-scale exposure goes, and it's not like miku being a meme is inherently a bad thing just because autistic weebs say so.
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I don’t understand how her brain works. Looking through her twitter, all she has done recently is (mediocre) cosplay.
Oh, and I guess those commissions only 1-2 people have asked for
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>trap is a slur
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i don't even know you but you made me look up said thread
don't be this exceptional anon
Rather unrelated, but is saying you've got the "deepest voice" a fetish in the UTAU fandom? I personally am tired of literally everyone claiming they have a deep voice, when in reality they don't, especially when it comes to male UTAUs. I'm personally tired of people who (badly) fake their voices deep to a point where the engine doesn't even know how to synthesize the sample properly, making them all sound like vomit. I personally think Aiko fits in that category, given how unnatural this UTAU's tone sounds at times.
That said, I'm not exactly surprised, considering half of these people take that free Christina Aguilera online range test, and think they have a thousand octave range.
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voice-wise I like Waltt to a certain extent (Though his design looks like a Len ripoff)
but yeah his voice has issues (one of them being he can't hit basic tenor notes like most male vocaloids/utauloids).
speaking of, what does everyone think of Furloids in general? aside from having an anthro design
Still true for the other two though. Mikoto has a really nice lower range. It's strange, since Kikyuune Aiko is also a lower female range but sounds worse.
Making a japanese voicebank when your native tounge isn't japanese seems to be an issue. especially considering that myst is from tennessee.
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Imagine being such a narcisst, you make a 16 tweet "apology" playing the victim and whining about the consequences of acting like an absolute dumbass without even once admitting your own wrong-doings (and only regretting getting rightfully called out for it instead) or even once considering the fucking havoc they caused for the man whose career and life they alost ruined and how he must have felt. The fact that you're a minor doesn't make you any less accountable, in fact that means you shouldn't have read it in the first place since it's R-18 and you have to make an adult account to see it. Assuming you even did that before throwing around cp accusations, since you keep spreading misinfo. With 19 pages Kikuo was referring to the whole situation, the actual R-18 was 6 pages with half of it censored. Bitch you literally learned nothing.
>>75984>I'm a minor!!! That means consequences don't apply to me!!!!!
Stupid bitch. If you're old enough to go on the internet unsupervised, you're old enough to know you can't just go around accusing people of being pedophiles and expect nothing to come of it.
Ever notice how false accusers never have to deal with an unshakable reputation after the fact? People parrot false information, but the source of it always gets away scot-free after some half-hearted apology.
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When this “news” came out I literally dropped everything I was doing to go straight to the source and verify it. And I was kind of expecting it to actually be as bad as the people on Twitter were claiming because pedo culture in the manga scene is totally out of control and I knew Kikuo was male. But to my surprise it totally, for those who have not read the offending comics, was not what people were claiming it was. I’m no expert at Japanese but I could read a fair bit of the text, by the way. But anyway long story short, it’s a super long comic series and out of all the pages only like 10 or less had any sexual content on them— and those were not graphic in the way you’d expect a “porn manga” to be. Plus it’s important to note the whole thing is from the kid’s perspective, meaning he’s not even in the panels of those pages a lot of the time and instead the only character focused on is the teenager (still kind of bad but it’s japan and that’s like, normal)
>>76007>this looks fucking disgusting and way over dramatized.
Yes that's the fucking point. It isn't supposed to be hot or something casual from the perspective of a child, it's horrifying and that's exactly what he drew and stylized. You are supposed to react badly. >but with it looking like this i'm not surprised people who don't speak the language jump to conclusions.
You don't need to speak the language to see that it's intended to be terrifying and not arousing. To jump to the conclusion that it's porn you'd either have to look at pictures without thinking or have an immature reaction to anything implying naked bodies or violence, which is why it was R-18 in the first place.
bro this girl looks like a thumbkin in a miku cosplay>>76016>To jump to the conclusion that it's porn you'd either have to look at pictures without thinking or have an immature reaction to anything implying naked bodies or violence, which is why it was R-18 in the first place.
you also would have to have a pixiv account that has you listed as an adult to view it. so they are a minor w/ a pixiv account that allows them to view it. not everything in the r-18 tag is porn, pixiv has a good amount of guro on their site and most of it is tagged. they are at least old enough to understand the concept of accountability but brought us this anyway. >>75984
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how unfortunate. at least we know who to blame for starting this tho
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and the asslickers are worse yet
this entire thing tangentially reminds me of how apparently the tumblrfucks think Senbonzakura is a pro-imperialism song because of vague WW2 references in the lyrics, and the (much less successful) crusade to get people to stop liking it
these weebs really can't seem to interpret media beyond their own shallow america-centric point of view, i guess. and what better person to pick on than someone who can't defend themselves because of a language barrier? fuckin nasty
this is the most exemplary post i could find, in fairness i ignored most of it at the time because it's stupid as all fuck.
mostly it's because some versions of the translyrics have references to the rising sun flag and… that's it actually. generally just an extremely reactionary take on the song's actual content. iirc the song itself is mostly about the meiji restoration with some allusions to post-ww2 since those were two phases in japan's history where they were more or less "forcefully" modernized.
the lyrics literally say "this is now an anti-war country" so i seriously have no fucking idea how they came to that conclusion
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Was there any actual point in the 'big reveal' or Piko and Miki being siblings? I feel like it's just an attempt at fishing for attention by the big name companies.
Besides, what point is there in it anyway? All it does is restrict what you can do with the voices (prepare for the incoming slew of retards calling old pikoxmiki videos pro-incest)
First of all there was no big ~reveal~ it was just some fun info they shared as part of AHS's 10th anniversary. Second, saying they're siblings is ridiculous to me. Just because their voicers are from the same label suddenly we're calling them siblings? So are we gonna call Miku and Luka siblings now then?
I just feel like people are over reacting to hell and back about this, I guess because the VOCALOID fandom is starved for any sort of content.
want to preface this by saying I think the argument that it's pro-imperialist is stupid and I do not agree with tumblr that the song is problematic
or needs to be censored.
But the military references in senbonzakura aren't exactly "vague", idk how much more blatant you can get than ICBMs, bombs, etc. About half the outfits are clearly based on stylised uniforms, though you could probably argue either way for whether they're military or just supposed to be the school uniforms introduced in the meiji period, I don't care enough to research it more than two seconds of googling.
Also, senbonzakura isn't available in the Korean versions of project diva and taiko no tatsujin games. Yeah Korea has in the past had some major issues with censoring Japanese media and still kind of does but senbonzakura is apparently ~problematic
~ enough to get cut.
It's not "pro-imperialism" though, and there are plenty of other vocaloid songs about the meiji period that do seem more critical of 'westernization', they're just latching on to senbonzakura because it's the most well-known. If they just want to bitch about imperialist japanese media they can go read attack on titan or something.
Plus the lyric "boys and girls becoming samurai" which then cuts to len and rin in the PV. which is probably an allegory for forced drafting/recruitment. (girls were recruited too, just not in direct combat)
but it's not even a pro-anything song. it's literally just a funky song with fun ww2 trivia in it.
Hey, Planty here. To preface this post, yes, I'm a shitheel who did a lot of shitty things to some people who may not have deserved it. BUT, that being said, my Vocaloid career is over and in the past, and I reaped what I sowed. However, there are some things that have been on my spirit and I would like to share them with you guys; "Spill the Tea", as it were. Tea on myself and tea on others; as a semi-popular Vocaloid producer, I was privy to a lot of things that went down behind the scenes. Some innocent, some not. So let's start from the top.
I never hacked any Vocaloids. Hacking things was never in my skillset; I wasn't that smart. AlexVox was the one who cracked and distributed Project 575 and AnonKanon, I simply used them. Because I was typically the first to use a newly-cracked Vocaloid, I was constantly the one who was blamed for cracking them. That simply wasn't true. Was using them a shitty thing to do? Absolutely. But I never cracked anything; again, wasn't smart enough.
STELLA was my biggest fuckup, but she wasn't meant to be what she was. She was originally supposed to just be a XSY-made Vocaloid, a legal one, too (between two Miku V4 voices). But she had a story, a much deeper story that I was to afraid to share, given my already negative status in the fandom.
See, Crusher and I (she went by Cien) were actually quite close. I would mix things for her, we'd talk extensively on Skype, I even went to my first ever anime convention with her (she was dressed as Fem!Prussia from Hetalia). Although I genuinely liked her, she always came off as really cold and dismissive to me sometimes. But, I was around 15-16, so I was STUPID. I was in this part of my life where I desperately wanted everyone to like me, so I would do anything, say anything, and put up with anything. Luckily, I've outgrown that phase, but back then I would do literally anything Cien asked of me.
Again, by my standards, this friendship was pretty close. Looking back, I realized I was really just more of an industry friend or acquaintance to her (or, more accurately, someone to use). I was working at an appliance store at the time, and i was ALWAYS on Skype or Twitter mobile because I was constantly checking in with my Vocaloid friends/socials. I was obsessed with it, honestly; I loved the tech, loved the music, I was just enthralled, and had been for years. It was actually kind of unhealthy how much weight I put on it (again, I've outgrown that). But one day, Cien just stopped talking to me. Straight up ghosted my ass. And I was so confused, because I didn't think I had done anything wrong?
I had known they were struggling with mental health issues, some pretty serious ones (or so I believed, I don't know what the truth was), so I was extremely worried. Cien was always a really dark, semi-suicidal person, and my 15-16 year old mind immediately went into crisis mode; "Oh my god, Cien's finally killed herself", etc etc. After a few weeks, she sent me a message telling me she was fine, she had self-harmed and was in the hospital.
So, like any good friend, I really wanted to find out what was bothering her, talk to her, stuff like that. She wasn't having it. She got extremely mad when I asked her if she was okay or if there was anything I can do, and told me not to tell ANYONE about it.
I agreed, but I got even more worried when she started displaying this behavior again. So I DM'd Circus (who I was talking to at the time), and asked him if he had noticed anything weird or wrong with Cien. At this point, I should've left it all alone and gone about my business. But again, undercooked brain, young stupidity.
BOTH of them got irate that I asked if Cien was okay, and they both literally removed my from their friends lists and blocked me. And for what??? It happened so fast, and without warning. I was just so confused, but mostly I was HURT. I had considered Cien a good friend of mine, and to have her just cut me off for no reason, I didn't know how to cope.
So STELLA was born. I wanted to create a Vocaloid as a way to get back at her, a sort of "ha-ha, I made one and you didn't" sort of thing. To me, creating a Vocaloid was the ultimate badge of honor. I dreamed about making them, it was literally my waking fantasy. Originally, STELLA was meant to just be a cross-synth voice billed as a "Virtual Idol", but I got greedy. I had already applied for a Vocaloid license and was denied, three times. I was getting frustrated because I was just hurt and confused and going through a lot (when you're that young, everything seems like the world is ending). So the fake XSY hack was created. I didn't know how to tell the others that this had turned from a legit revenge scheme to a fake one; I was embarassed and honestly, I should've never taken it this far. None of the STELLA team knew that she was originally a sort of get-back plot, I was going to keep that to myself if she was succesful (and we see how that turned out).
I was never going to keep any of the money for STELLA, it was all going to go to the Arts Charity. Additionally, while we're here, I never plagiarized any music. I purchased sample packs, sort of songs that are split apart and are able to be put back together. They're obviously not very creative and many people purchased the same packs as me, leading to the same sounds. (Like for real people, how could I create a perfect karaoke of a vocal song that had no karaoke released? Or edit the midi data for a song that had already been rendered???) But my status was already so low in the community, nobody wanted to hear it haha.
Giraffey and Nageko and PianoBench and the others didn't deserve the bad publicity, they were all very very very kind to me, far kinder than I deserved. But, what is done is done, and I can't take it back. I've also apoligized and worked through my own self-guilt about the whole situation; it was a horrible, stupid thing I did. But I was young, and I can't let it hang over me forever. I've apologized and coped with it, and I'm mostly over it.
But Cien… that person is horrible, manipulative, and spiteful. Even more than me. A few weeks after the STELLA fiasco, CirCrush broke up because she was hoarding the YT revenue money and not allowing Circus access to the rights for their songs.
AND WHILE WE'RE HERE WITH TEA!!!!!
AkiGlancy and I were in a Skype call and she ripped Creep-P's music apart; calling it horrible, discordant, and disgusting, then turns around and is nice as a peach to him later and wants to be on his album. (This wouldn't be a big thing if not for the FERVOR she tore his music apart, I was like DAMN okay CHILL DAMN OKAYYY)
ALSO! Creep-P gave all of his Macne banks to me and others (back when Nana wasn't a Vocaloid), then goes on a crusade against POCALOID and illegally acquired banks. He also had this HORRIBLE thing on Skype where he would use Homestuck typing quirks (his favorite was the Eridan one where the w's are vv's and stuff), and would get extremely pissy when I asked him to stop for a bit. It was grating when he would do the aLtErNaTiNG caps thing, especially.
AND! Misha called my Ring Suzune revival project (the mess that was JEWEL), a horrible, derivative ripoff when her own UTAU, Makune Hachi, is a derivative ripoff of Macne Nana (then proceeded to sic her followers on me). Some self-awareness would've been nice.
Cien discontinued Daisy because she wasn't able to monetize it; PLOGUE told her that since Daisy was a testing library and not up to standard, monetizing it would not be right. So she demanded they pull it from their site.
In the English version of "Tell Your World" which is on kz livetune's Re:Dial album, I helped Circus with the phonetics on the VSQ, but he refused to credit me for it.
Cien got mad and demanded I take down a remix of ECHO I made because "It made her uncomfortable" and was "being positively received".
Aki at one point told me I should quit Vocaloid as Planty and make up a new name because I was never going to be big in the community with my checkered past. I actually met Aki at a con and she was quite nice in person, if a little disingenuous.
There were more things but this all happened such a long time ago, I can't remember anything else. If I do, I'll post it.
In retrospect, I fucked up ALOTTTTT. Messed up a lot and wasted a lot of chances. But I kept quiet about a lot of the fucked up shit that happened to me as well. This is not a WAHHHH I'M PLANTY I WAS MESSED WITH post. I deserved to be called out and I deserved to be ousted from the community. But rest assured many of the other producers have done fucked up things with more regularity, they were just much better at hiding it. So this is a sort of catharsis for me, a way for me to get all of this shit off my back and put this community behind me for good. Thanks for reading.(super autism)
Is there anyway you can prove it's you? Also I'm curious as to why you bring this up now…
Also what do you do as a hobby now?
it's honestly more reassuring than it should be to know that other people in this fandom actually have taste. shit the way I found this thread was because I was practically desperate to see if at least ONE other person saw eyeris for the talentless egomaniac he is>>76146
this whole time I always felt there was something more to crusher, it seemed weird to me how often she had "falling outs" with people so fucking easily. makes sense now that she throws a shitfit if she isnt the sole person making all the money off of something. i knew she couldnt have been as genuine as she looked on the outside
fun fact: did you know she used to date thelivingtombstone? as in the shitty pony remix dude? dunno if they're dating anymore though
No way to prove it, unfortunately. But why would someone impersonate me and write this long-winded, emotionally charged paragraph with details only I could know?
I bring it up now because I'm still in the Vocaloid community; not as an active creator, but as a watcher. People STILL shit talk me, even to this day. It doesn't bother me as much as it would have before, but I just feel weird not having the full story be known. Believe it or not, my Stella fuckup really messed with me. There was a lot of guilt and self-hatred and just… a lot of emotions. It's taken a lot of self-reflection and time to come to terms with what I did. It may not seem like a big deal to a lot of people, but I hurt a lot of friends and ruined the trust of my allies. It took a serious toll on me haha.
This isn't for me to sling mud on people; these are just things that happened and I want to talk about them. I always felt a little used by the producers, although obviously it didn't warrant me making a fake Vocaloid and ruining everything. I kept quiet on lots of things while everyone else felt free to talk shit on me pretty much constantly.
This is really just a catharsis for me; i haven't talked to any of these people in YEARS, and people change (I'm proof of that). So, they might have improved or something, I don't know.
As for hobbies, I've gotten into cosplay and DnD. I had a thing with Overwatch back in the day as well, but my main thing right now is DnD.
Hey, I get it. We all make mistakes. It’s great that you could own up to your own.
I was a fan of your work before STELLA though, and I’ll take this chance to ask: Can we follow you anywhere nowadays? Glad to hear you have new hobbies too.
You've witnessed the true nature of Crusher. Why not expose her? There's no doubt she'll manipulate others in the future.
The same could be said about Circus, considering the two used to be butt-buddies.
Ngl, I felt sorry for you back when the Stella drama happened, but why are you bringing this up now, 5 years later?
You basically call everyone a hypocrite, which they are, but in your apology from 2018 you state> The reason I faked Stella wasn't for attention, or for fame, or to hurt anyone
yet now you're saying that it was to get back at Crusher
and that > have a house, a family, a wonderful husband, and an amazing career
yet you have time to talk shit about your online ex friends on anonymous forum?
Weren't they also just stupid kids back then? This shoudln't excuse their behaviour, but why it excuses yours?
If you want to get back - do it. Like Circus used pocaloid, and despite that he's still around.
I'm not on social media anymore; the Stella thing actually triggered
a complete 180 in my life. I recognized that that sort of environment just doesn't work for me personally. Thank you for saying you liked me old stuff though, I sometimes get nostalgic about the "good old times", as they were.>>76159
People HATED me on principle because of my spotty past. I was so scared of saying anything against Crusher/Circus/others because I was, again, so desperate to be liked and accepted. I was afraid to say anything because of potential backlash or that I'd lose their friendship (even though at this point it had been gone for a while and was never real in the first place).
I was young and vulnerable and afraid, and put WAY TOO MUCH weight on what other people thought of me.>>76161
I didn't want to reveal the truth because I was afraid, again of the backlash (even though at this point I was gone from the fandom and not coming back). I wanted it to be a simple, clean explanation, with no mess.
But that wasn't the truth, and it never was the truth. I was trying to protect someone who never cared about me, and I was trying to wrap everything up nice and neat. But again, that wasn't the truth.
As for the shit-talking, the STELLA fiasco affected me deeply. I KNOW it sounds dumb, but I've been afraid to really DO anything creative because of my negative experience with the Vocaloid community (as self-inflicted as it was). In order to move on and heal, I need to come clean about what happened. I've been taking my mental health very seriously this year, and I've had many talks with my therapist about the issue. And no, the therapist isn't for this specifically, everyone should have a therapist just to tell them that they're not a terrible person and to help them work through anything life throws at them.
And my youngness doesn't excuse my actions: I fucked up. It was horrible, it was wrong. But I'm OWNING UP to it. I'm not hiding anymore. Being young doesn't excuse me. And it shouldn't excuse them, especially when their actions are having real-life consequences (like poor Jani Schofield).
I don't want to come back to Vocaloid; that part of my life is over. It's just a part of my life I'm trying to get over, in a way. I let it mean far too much to me and I'm paying the price for my mistakes. But again, if I never talked about the true situation, I would have it in the back of my mind forever and ever, like it has been for years now. This is just a cathartic exercise for me.
Your willingness to own up to your misdeeds is what seperates you from Crusher, Circus, Aki and Creep.
The best time to reveal the truth was back then. The second best time is now.
(speaking of, have you had any interaction with ghost? asking because she used to shittalk creep on her tumblr but they're supposedly best buds now)
If you're not willing to come back and you've "moved on" then why are you on here? You're kinda expired milk tbh
Also you never provided caps…
I know Vocaloid cliques are toxic
, but you're still stooping low to their level.
I really don't buy it….
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By the way Planty, don't you feel guilty about "real-life consequences" for "poor Janni schofield", when you yourself helped Crusher create that piece of work? "Their" actions, yeah. She wasn't even 18 when she made that song, was she? And considering all her works are created with help of someone else, it's most likely Calalini would never been there in the first place without your help. Shocking, right?
This "self-aware" bullshit is getting old. Acting as if you are above them when you are clearly not. You're trying to portray yourself as some poor little kid that's been taken advantage of… When you all were roughly the same age. You're not doing this to get it off your chest and move on, you're evil person that tricked people into giving money for your shitty fake vocaloid. You're not a victim
Yeah Hanabi….don't like her…She talks a lot of shit behind people's backs for someone who constantly preaches about muh positivity.
I don't know how she is now, but I found it quite irritating how she always shoved her UTAU in everyone's faces.
This is a sort of release for me; I just wanted to get all of this off my chest. It's really for me, not to get back at anyone anymore, that ship has sailed. Again, it's been bothering me for years now.>>76162
Of course I'm not a victim
. I'm just as guilty of fucking up. I did bad things, yes, but I'm working through them and have apologized. It is your right to not forgive me, and I'm not going to beg you to. I made a mistake and I will need to sit with it.
But as for Calalini… I didn't know that the song was going to be monetized, shown on talk shows, or made into T-shirts… I didn't know any of that. I was just mixing a song as a favor to a friend. I was also not offered ANY of the money that was made from Calalini, and was shut down when I told Crusher it was insensitive to use a CHILD for monetary gain.
Of course, I don't have screencaps of any of this. I rescinded access to my accounts long ago. And my word isn't exactly pure either. But again, this is just for me to tell what happened from my point of view, not to rally people to my side. At the end of the day, I'm not coming back to Vocaloid and I have no desire to.
In short, I don't expect anyone to whiteknight me or even fully believe me. I just wanted to tell everyone what happened to me so I
can move on. I'm not going to get mad at anyone for hating me or being distrustful of me; again, I planted those seeds myself. I've had these thoughts and truths for years now and would like to get them off my chest.
Even if you are like "This fucking shitface I hate him" (and you are justified in that thought), it helps me to just speak what happened in a semi-public setting.
the tards found this thread it seems
You're obviously a crusher fan, save for the possibility that you ARE her and somehow found this thread
You're trying to stem away from the fact that cien STILL made a remastered version using kaai yuki v4 on her CONCIENTIA album.
now, with all the information about jani schofield not actually being schizophrenic and instead said condition being faked by her parents, you'd think that Crusher, now an adult, would call back and delete her remaster of Calalini from her album on spotify, right? Wrong. It's still out there, even with all the available information at her goddamn fingertips.
>>76177>I was also not offered ANY of the money that was made from Calalini, and was shut down when I told Crusher it was insensitive to use a CHILD for monetary gain.
but apparently you didn't care enough to step away from it? lol>>76180
i think you're confused, nothing about that post is even remotely wking crusher
Are you serious right now? That anon is definitely not a crusher fan, they're just pointing out that they were also involved aka the act of being an accomplice.
Planty's just bitter he didn't have the same level of impunity as the others, it's that simple.
I should've stepped back when I got some warning signs, it's true. I was too focused on being friends with someone that I didn't make the correct decision.
I also just found out about the true Jani Schofield story today at work. That is actually what inspired me to make this post. My role, even if it was small, was still there. I am not innocent and I was involved in the production of Calalini, even if I was shut out during the high point of the song's life cycle.
The fact that something I was involved in, even if I was just the mixer (and not a great mix either, offhandedly), actually affected this child in any kind of way made me feel guilt and remorse and a desire to step up. That was a horrendous song made about something that should not be monetized, and I was involved in it. That was wrong, and I'm here to say that it's wrong. And that's it's STILL happening.>>76180
I was bitter for a long time, it's true. I won't pretend like I wasn't seething
for a while. But after I really took time to reflect (and mature), it became a lot less about bitterness and self-hate and more about "Wow… we were all kinda fucked up, huh?"
Again, I just wanted to put this all out there. What you guys do with it is up to you, whether you believe me or not.
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It is true, the songs weren't on Crusher's channel, nor they shared an youtube account. They did, however, share a twitter account. Basically, all the drama happened because Circus got salty over Echo reaching million or something views, and Crusher "taking the credit" for the work (not sure if it was related to "Echo", "Circrush" projects, or both). The links to their works (now privated) are still up at wiki.>>76187
Please, at least be more consistent with your lies, Planty. First you lie about stolen revenue, now you say you posted out of "guilt and remorse", when you never say a thing about it untill the moment it's brought up by someone else. And out of a sudden you're actually self-aware and even tried to stop her, right.
And no matter how many times you say you don't try to play a victim
, that's exactly what you are doing.
Me neither. Then again, from what I've seen, a good chunk of the "muh positivity" and "soft uwu" people are the most toxic
and rotten ones. They just don't show it publicly, 'cause they want to have a holier than thou image, so 1- People don't have any "tea" on them & 2- If someone does have tea on them, their good samaritan act will be enough to have people whiteknight the shit out of them.
Just look at Aki and her asslikers.
It is your right to be distrustful of me; again, I fucked up and this is to be expected. All I
know is that I'm
telling the truth, and I can't expect everyone to believe me with my past. And that's what this is about; me getting it out there even if people don't believe it.
The stolen revenue is confirmed by many sources, not just me. I'll admit I'm not 100% clear on the details. I wasn't privy to their bank account information after all. That's just what I witnessed.
You are more than welcome to pick apart my side of the story and accuse me of anything you'd like. The fact of the matter, whether you choose to believe it or not, is that this is what I experienced and that is why I'm posting it today.
I set a timer for this thread, as a part of my 'moving on', so to speak. At midnight, EST, I will stop responding to this thread. Not out of malice or annoyance, but simply to put a cap on my involvement in the Vocaloid community.
Then do everyone (and yourself) a favor and just go. Cause you're basically beating around the bush and still playing the victim
(despite you saying you're not, you still are). If you're to move on then stop postponing it, move on now. It's been 5 years, people come and go, part of the fandom doesn't even know who or Stella are anymore, yet you're here fishing for attention and validation on an anon forum, to make you feel better about yourself by trying to look like the bigger person.
Please, lmfao. If you wanted to truly own up to it, you'd have done what anon said earlier and made a thread on Twitter where you're sure to make an actual impact (mostly cause half, if not all, of the users you've mentioned are still roaming around there), rather than just some forum, without any proof whatsoever.
Oh yeah, many sources? Like what? It's funny how the "stolen revenue" was never brought up in the community before, but then Planty decides to "spill the tea". You "witnessed" it.
You're saying that> I was never going to keep any of the money for STELLA, it was all going to go to the Arts Charity.
But is there any reason to believe you, like at all?
> The fact that something I was involved in, even if I was just the mixer (and not a great mix either, offhandedly), actually affected this child in any kind of way made me feel guilt and remorse and a desire to step up.
It's funny how you try to play "good guy" when your call-out post is literally just about how shitty your friends treated YOU and there's literally one sentence about Jani. One.
You're not a better person than them, you're JUST like them, you don't give a single fuck about that little girl.
Go and make another shitty XSY fanloid to scam people into giving you money, you need it to pay for your therapy, since 2.5 randoms on the internet are bullying you. Complete 180 big childhood trauma, for fucks sake.
Truth is I'm still very afraid of posting anything on Twitter. This isn't about bringing them to justice or whatever, or even me fishing for attention or trying to be the bigger person.
The whole reason I'm here in the first place is because I made a huge mistake. That alone places me very firmly in the other producer's ballpark. I'll say it; I'm just as bad
as they are. But I'm not here to high-road anyone.
I've said my piece and I honestly feel a lot better about everything already. Even if some of you don't believe me, I got it off my chest and that's all I wanted.
I actually might cut the timer short because you're right: I shouldn't have stayed this long. I should've dropped my side of the story and left. BUT before I go:
Vocaloid was an amazing part of my life. Even if it had ups and downs and goods and bads, I made a lot of friends and had a lot of good times. It's hard to let go and even harder to admit when you've fucked up. And EVEN HARDER to accept the consequences when you fuck up.
I'm here FAR FAR too late. I should've never done anything like STELLA, but I also should've never kept quiet abut the fucked up things happening behind the scenes. I was complicit in a lot of ways. I wanted to end that here and now, so I did. No time like the present, I suppose.
With this post, I bid you all adieu. A FINAL adieu. This is everything I wanted to say; with this final thread of what actually happened, I feel like I can finally just move on and put all this stuff behind me, even if some you are distrustful (which is within your right, as I keep saying).
But, before I go, from the bottom of my heart, I have to say that it was really fun being a producer, even if it ended in a dumpster fire. I'm sure some of you Anons used to be friends or acquaintances of mine; and I have to thank you too. It was a weird time for me, and Vocaloid, despite its craziness and my mistakes, was a defining part of my childhood and has shaped who I am. It's taken me years to get to this place (crazy, I know), but I'm hear now and that's what matters. Please know that I am not an evil person, I just made a mistake. Well, a few mistakes.
Anyway, I'll see you guys around, maybe? Thank you for putting up with me for so long, tbh. And I want to leave on a not-so-sentimental note, so I'll just say:
Thanks. From Planty, with genuine love. C:
Thought it was on Twitter but I did some digging and found it on her Tumblr. https://crusher-p.tumblr.com/post/181931495493/id-like-to-apologize/amp
It honestly doesn't sound insincere to me, especially considering how she was inviting people to message her about it.
Speaking of Crusher, apparently she's gotten the chance to have an official remix on Kairiki Bear's album. Whenever Japanese and Western producers do anything, it gives me a weird feeling since the western prods are clout chasing 24/7.
Compared to the original(https://youtu.be/aDJIhRlftU4
), this sounds like it was made with 3xOSC and default samples. Why is the production of every western song so basic after a fucking decade
Not suprised almost all popular producers have basically admitted they're not into Vocaloid anymore, but they're milking all these little kids' parents money for as long as possible. What happens when these kids grow up and there's no more kids to scam for rent money?
Maybe. Kira shows promise, albeit only as a popfag. But I can see it getting better once all the big names leave and a new community forms.
Which will happen, by the way. Myst is 29 and Empath is in her 30s. It's not like they'll be doing this their whole lives.
Ghost unfortunately may stay. considering her rising fanbase and her now uploading videos in 3 GODDAMN PLACES
rip vlare. you had potential
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Oh. And here's the post she made, showing her massive attention seeking across 3 platforms now.
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so is no one is going to talk about how fuckugly Mishas art is
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shit looks like something out of one of those How to Draw Manga books
Once upon I time I actually liked Misha’s art
Jesus christ though, there is so much going on here. The red and green which DO NOT work (at least not the way she did it), the fucked proportions (the palm, the waist compared to the legs, one leg is skinnier than the other, etc.), the weird texturing that adds literally noting. It’s just a mess, which is fitting for Misha lol
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it literally is, I have this book with this exact same pose (fucken weeb i know)
I couldn't find the page but I found once pretty similar just looking for it. for shame.
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lol guess the free art kenji gets from uoshi isn't enough
oh gods, this about their race?
they have NO canonical race lmao
Kagamine Len and Nekomura Iroha are voiced by the opposite sex. Dex is voiced by a white guy. That doesn't make any sense
haneoka is a cunt for a lot of things but most of her shit is buried since its old tea. considering how shes friends with misha and aki, nothings as surprise anymore
i remember years ago when she was trying to draw every vocaloid, she gave everyone else a nice description but kaito because she hates him and expressed how much he sucked and is the worst vocaloid ever and deserved his failures. then she acts all shocked when people get pissed off at her shitty opinions (its okay to not like a vocaloid, but her description was complete hatred and disgust) and blocked off comments on that page because its her opinion. no wonder she and misha are friends. they are the same in personality: entitled cunts who think their shit is good
thousands of utaus in the world and not every creator begs for content like this. this is disgusting. art and music is earned. either do it yourself or commission someone else.
must be nice to have fans to do shit for you for free kenji. must be nice to have flexing power unlike smaller utau creators. get over yourself.
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All of them have official designs already, so there's not much room to change anything. Though Dex was actually intended to be a white guy with a tan, and that reveal pissed some people off.
The current drama is dumb, but tbh most Leon and Lola fan designs grind my gears because they totally disregard the "soul singer" concept and only focus on animu. I think that reflects the current western fandom's tendency to not engage with most non-Vocaloid music, which really hinders creativity.
Everyone here is a weeb, Anon. Including you and me. I don't think anyone joined this fandom because they like soul singing or smooth jazz.
We all joined because we saw 'le cute animu girl with leek' and sperged right over here, because we were all bullied in middle school.
That may not be the case with Aki as engloids made her interested, but it definitely is with lupin, myst and others. All turn to this fandom because they didn't have friends in middle or high school. even crusher, who is a sociopath
the problem is that western producers' investment in making vocaloid music is on the vocaloid and not the music.
that's why we have people like ghost who have $1200 worth of vocaloid software but are still making basic as fuck background music with the default midi sound palette in fl studio.
yeah thats her alright. all she does is kiss ass and fish for attention. she is no different from the others except that she doesnt sing.
years ago she'd get attention from only her mediocre (and still mediocre) art. now shes cosplaying and im sure saying she looked like cyber diva only fueled her already inflated ego.
im not going to bother looking into her accounts for evidence, but just know shes fake, an attention whore, and like this anon says: a snobby bitch
ps: does she still flex that she was born in japan and acts holier than thou because of it? Lol
dont remember where exactly but he said something about it not applying to japanese
since dex is english and not japanese, that is apparently the "loophole"
Why can't Daina/Namida and Ruby/Makune Hachi follow this same rule? Why does only lupin get to do this?
Almost every week she flexes her previous Japan trip pics from ages ago.
She's the run of the mill fandom weeb, treating her Japanese Twitter mutuals like some trophy accessory.
depends on the contract they have probably. and by updating an old utau bank, thats almost admitting that the vocaloid voicebanks werent good. which they arent anyways lol. but theyll never want to admit that>>76570
even tho misha and her content are fucking garbage, i think this is a valid
opinion. if it means ruby never existed, id rather this too. if ruby is the reason vocaloid sucks ass now, i definitely would prefer that she never existed. thanks misha and syo for singlehandedly ruining vocaloid>>76571
so shes still weeb trash trying to validate herself by flaunting that she was born in japan lol
or in this case, flexing she even went to visit. so fucking pathetic
1.) Circus does good guitars. Decent Al tuning. Otherwise unremarkable. My opinion on this one is open to change over a few more listens.
2.) What is this synth industrial? Poor Al usage. I don't like this track and I don't have many strong opinions about it.
3.) LOL @ Lystrialle using Al for folk. Of course, she did. Not bad, just unexpected genre. Pretty good Al tuning overall. It's not for me, but I recognize it is well done.
4.) Boring and disappointing for a BaggageLizard song, sounds like he phoned it in. He did well with Miku and Oliver, maybe Al just isn't for him.
5.) Its Vocaloid dubstep. It's stupid and fun. Either you like it or you don't. Good execution & tuning. As expected from the guy behind The BIG ALbum.
6.) Meh, unremarkable backing track, don't like Al singing in this register. It didn't catch on with me and I have no strong opinions.
7.) One of Empath's better efforts. Better than another fucking piano ballad. Would have been stronger without Daina. The extra vocals just seem so… extra.
8.) Wow, this was unexpected. This is probably the most surprising and unexpected tracks on the album. With a basic backing track, spoken word, and Al, this was the most tuning dependent track on the album for that cheesum has some balls, he went all-in on the Al.
9.) Great hook, rhythm, and mix/paster but probably some of the weaker Al tuning on the album. A little too much consonant slurring for a producer of GHPZ's tier, I hold him to a higher standard than most.
10.) Of all the tracks featuring guest vocals CyVa is the most welcome. The two really complement one another and overall really well executed. Mrs. Peach has gotten a lot better of the years.
11.) This song slapps. Probably the best track on the album and from Myst of all people. The last time I heard her use Al was a dumb Naruto cover. Excellent tuning, the song is very dynamic with a lot of nuance to it. My favorite track of the album and new favorite Al song.
12.) Great until 1:17, then Dex kicks in and dominates the track until 2:15 when they start dueting. Its an OK standalone track but I don't think it fits in well with the rest of the tracks on the album.
Yeah, what I'm saying is (most) everyone joined because cute anime girl. No one looked at vocaloid with music creation in mind. Then all these social rejects realized they could make a quick buck expressing their teenage/young adult angst with music and having these cute characters singing.
and let's be real. a lot of the guys here joined because they're hentai addicts whilst girls joined because yaoi.
speaking of, is circus-p actually asexual? he 'joked' about being gay on a livestream with aki.
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Damn he really went off. Even had to have Circus come in and be like “yeah, we’re like besties and we always pay full price”
Now wether or not he actually does pay his artists (which is doubtful considering he works/worked with Aki who avoids paying with money at all costs), this autism sperg is so unnecessary. What’s the number of spergs he has had on twitter? Like fucking 20?
Can’t wait for the backlash to hit when he drops the school shooter songs
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Found the thread he was talking about. He's either looking at this thread, or looking up his/Dex's name. Hi, you fucking loser.
This is just weird, I'm supposed to believe a grown man still types like this and he's still sore over what amounts to petty teenage e-drama from several years ago? You are probably as bad as the rest of them. Shame, because I wished
you were the one doing AlexVox's work because Vocaloid is such a black box I've always been interested in. I was hoping for Planty's SoundCloud series to take off (where he talks about .dbb files) and that Vocaloid would have some kind of subcommunity like iOS jailbreakers and other tinkerers but the fandom gets fucking crazy over anything "illegal" like it's morally condemnable too.
I swear to god I hope this thread stops attracting washed up nobodies chasing after old drama. Think about it, imagine what it would do if this thread alone brings even more idiot refugees into lolcow?
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that is exactly the thread he is bitching about>>76594
this dumb fuck really thinks that he takes criticism and applies it? lol every time someone tells him he is wrong or gives him criticism, he doesnt want to fucking hear it. fucking hypocrite. merry fucking christmas moron
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It’s like nothing ever happened lmao
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anyways found that post i was talking about earlier. i remember seeing this post when i was looking at rubys wiki page to see if theres any shit tea and who actually likes this poor excuse of a vocaloid and saw this a while ago.
Sage for music sperging, but maybe some of you will find it funny that fucking vocaloid out of all of things was what discovered jazz to me as a teenager and now I can appreciate it because of this weeb shit.
Back in the golden days of niconico jazz music where VOCALOID was used and had it's own vocajazz tag (I think there was a vocaloid tag for almost every genre of music) and there were some dedicated producers who stuck to the genre. I remember me and another weeb loser tried to make a jazz session with Luka and band in a box… Thank God it never saw the daylight because it was so dumb.
Damn I miss the old days, there was good stuff. A pity all that sticked in the western fandom are, well, talentless losers who only want attention. I'm thankful for all the good musicians vocaloid helped to create who then moved on though.
This post is month old but I do know for a fact Circus is white and used to be severely overweight if not obese during his teens years at least, because I saw photos of him.
No idea about now, maybe he got his fat ass up from the chair but knowing how it usually goes with these guys…
gotta love grown ass adults getting mad and scream they're acting like a fucking adult but in reality have the brain capacity of a two year old
ugh when will these cows learn
What are your motivations for buying her? If you want a pop female vocal CyVa is a much better voicebank, both in recording quality and enunciation. Ruby is amongst the most expensive of the Engloids as she has a high MSRP, never goes on sale, and you could buy Dex+Daina for the same price.
Even CYBER DIVA II is cheaper and her price is inflated to make Vocaloid 5 Premium look like a good deal. Though it is a good deal, if you are getting V5, definitely get premium for CYBER DIVA II , CYBER SONGMAN II , VY1 , & VY2. The extra Yamaha banks are actually good and the bundle is a healthy discount even if you were only interested in 1 of them.
youre right. i take my comment back then
still want to see these bitches get their asses fucked over big time tho lol
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Then is this old news or what cause I thought v2 came with full editors and v3 with tiny one's? They only stopped on v4.Took this from Oliver and Ruby product page on powerfx
The information on sonicware was kinda weird due to translation so I deleted the earlier one sorry
V1 & V2 came with full editors.
V3 definitely did come with a Tiny Editor that limited the number of bars you could output at a time. You could still output songs, you just needed to chunk it and re-assemble the outputs in a DAW. A right pain in the arse, but I know some songs were put together this way.
I do not believe V4 came with any editors though some companies did create their own custom bundles that included a full editor.
I definitely know none of the V5s do unless its a Yamaha Bundle. I don't think any 3rd parties did any bundles with the editor.
Some editions of Vocaloid 4 also had that weird "Cubase Edition" for use on Mac. I think some versions of Crypton stuff had some Piapro Editor plugin? I am not sure, I never bought the Crypton stuff.
He did. I went through his deviant art account and they're all gone - and he's been there recently too (the proof being he now has his pronouns in his deviantart bio - something every tard in this community nowadays feels compelled to do)
I even put his social media links, VO included in the wayback machine. nothing juicy
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God i saw yenmi mentioned in this thread and its like she doesn't even try to hide where she colour picks all her art she cant decide on which artist she wants to skinwalk as tbh
There’s nothing wrong with learning by trying to imitate an artist’s style for a little
However, Yenmi has done nothing but that for YEARS. She’d make a good bootlegger lmao
Even if you buy her PFX will take forever to send you the serial -IF- they send it all.
When I bought Ruby it took months to get the serial and that's after Yamaha themselves had to say something to PFX.
I hear other users are currently having trouble getting their serials from PFX for other vocaloids as well.
Yeah pfx's customer service – no, scratch that, their service as a whole has been nothing but shitty for the past few years. I tried getting Oliver during April 2017 and as soon as you tried to checkout it'd load an error page saying the site was in maintenance. This continued until October
. It took them half a year to fix their shitty website.
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i love questionable artists supporting questionable artists
seriously? haneoka's art never changed over the years. i feel like her coloring gets uglier and uglier with how theyre shaded. she also has this awful habit of making things so bright that it hurts to look at. awful anatomy too, especially with legs. they look broken as fuck
annoyed with how many greedy bitches exist in this fandom
"Where would you get some that look better than these!!"
literally anywhere else yenmi lol
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i see your haneoka art and raise you miku ebooks art. people are actually buying this deviantart level weeb shit.
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Kira made an UTAU medley and added Ruby to it.. Idk who's idea it was but it said Syo tuned her. These guys really have to shill 24/7. Ruby isnt even made for Japanesehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIEAgw_uKF0
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if someone showed this to me without context i'd assume it was a parody. this is the ugliest fucking shit. >>76951
>when your official licensed vocaloid does so badly in sales you have to shove her into an utau compilation to make people care about her
i'd laugh if ruby wasn't the one who singlehandedly tanked power fx's vocaloid sector.
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misha got pissed on that one cover of closer with Ruby about people's "pedo ships"…but she has a bunch of loli type art of her own
UTAU on her tumblr blog for it? including a loli panty shothttps://makune.tumblr.com/page/2
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I was going to laugh at you for calling something so mild "loli" but then I actually went into the blog you linked and I found shit like this blatant pedobait crap.
Why it's always the crazy sjw tumblrina types the ones who push for trash like this. Also I don't care that she just reblogged it, reblogging it's synonym that you sponsor this sort of content.
This sort of trash 11 year old art is very popular within the vocaloid community for some reason. I remember certain spanish speaking producer who had her girlfriend draw for her shitty songs and the final result was so fucking hideous it felt like a joke. Then I found out both of them were not tweens or even teens but grown up ass adults, one of them went to music school.
I've got no idea what has vocaloid got that draws these specimens you won't find anywhere else here.
God it's like she took the original concept and ravaged it with her own brand of generic crap style. That Meiko feels like an insult to the original artist. The proportions of the face are off. Her expression is so bland, uninspiring and boring. The coloring and the shading are lazy and don't make justice to the referenced piece. It's infuriating to look at it knowing where she got the idea from.
I've known yenmi for some years already, and her art always so bland and uninteresting and I couldn't figure the reason out, and now I know why it always had this weird feeling to it.
Truer words have never been spoken.
All the western utaufags do is to virtue signal and try to force their oc into everything. And ride any trend or improvement the japs do.
i dont know most of these utaus except for some japanese ones and a couple of western. the rest are either whos, owned by shitty people in the fandom or by annoying preachy attention whores
does anyone remember when there was a tag on twitter comparing the utau with their providers (utau vs voice provider i think?), and misha came in with "voice provider vs utau vs vocaloid"? then she got pissed that people pointed out it was power flexing. i wouldnt be surprised if aki and kenji did the same thing. how the fuck did we end up with these people as vocaloids? its pretentious and disgusting. they ruined vocaloid
>>76975>how the fuck did we end up with these people as vocaloids?
Cause the two major Engloid companies were staffed by older suits who were wildly unprepared to deal with the explosion of the Vocaloid fandom. At some point they both decided that hiring people directly from the fandom would solve that, but unfortunately a lot of the most visible people in the western fandom are brainlets.
I remember when there was hype about Ruby being the first Vocaloid with a native English reclist… fast forward a few years later and most people seem to agree that she's crappy and unintelligible. Weird huh
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All of this talk about bad overseas UTAU is giving me flashbacks to the person whose character went from a Macne OC…
everyone has to do their hustle but if they stopped being gross shits, maybe people would support them and they wouldnt have this issue lol
haneoka is a trashy person in general. doing commissions wasnt enough. she finally grew the balls to make merch but honestly theyre not worth it. only getting away with it because shes offering or working to offer all vocaloids possible. id say the same for all other artists with this offer in mind, but not all of them are bitches. some of them are nice people
Ah yeah. The project diva fags larping as genuine vocaloid fans. One of the seven wonders of the western community.
Yes. I am afraid I have been around for long enough to say most of the western fandom is pretty much like this. Better stick to the old pvs and songs, or just make a niconico account if you want to look for decent shit and subscribe to the Japanese producers who have YT channels since it's becoming more common nowadays. But stay the fuck away from literally anything else.
There are also some music channels like the one that jrharbort guy maintains who upload nice stuff from many producers and they are nice for album recs and discovering obscure composers but that's it.
jrharbort is the mikufan guy who is a massive dick. he genuinely thinks that because he has connections with crypton he has the right to be a snob about it. when miku chinese was announced he insisted that it wasnt real when there were pictures it was. instead he kept saying that one of the people from crypton told him it was fake or something and when there was a real announcement, he said he asked the wrong person. then he insisted that he is trustworthy and said he cant provide any proof
he is also an asshole in real life too. someone met him at one of the miku concerts and he is as snobby as he is online. he acts like hes too good for you. for someone who runs a fanmade news site he really has a way with interacting with people. unprofessional.
honestly these news sites really act like cloutchasers and will rub that in everyones faces. its disgusting
Really? I only know him from an upload of a remix of Boku Boku by Avtechno.
(the original is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRYiPO4ltkg
they both are pretty fucking good tracks, but i'm not sure if the remix belongs to him. also, why is he calling it the original?
here's his upload of another song called 'lost key': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r72Pp5HZVoo
are these authorized reuploads?
hes known for reprints but i dont think he asks permission to do it. he probably just grabs, uploads and post credit in the description as minimum
so hes leeching off of other peoples work basically
they're two versions of the same track, AVT remixes his own work pretty often. i believe the version from the crystalloid album was the first.
that said, he definitely didn't get permission to reprint this. especially considering avtechno has his own yt channel
He's a total hardass about asking for permission, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's one of those things people do when they try to suck up to the Japanese fandom, because a minority of producers are neurotically overprotective of their work.
Fun fact: #SaveMiku caused a huge slapfight across JP producer twitter because DaifukuP (notorious reprint hater) falsely claimed it was about producers taking down illegal monetized reprints
Deflecting and or moving the topic isn't going to make us talk about you any less. If you don't want us to discuss you stop reprinting popular nico videos to your youtube channel and putting on airs. All this is doing is stealing views from the original p and discouraging them from posting more. Nobody wants to see a shitty reprinter have more views than their original upload. At least the translator's and subbers contribute something but you are purely stealing views and clout under the guise of "muh exposure" for lesser known producers. Makes my blood boil when I think about it especially. You act like you are hot shit for running a fan site when reality you are no different from the the tumblr blogs who steal pixiv content except you steal from Nico douga. /ts
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Because not everyone uses Nicovideo. Or even could, in the olden days. When Vocaloid was first popping off, the registration wall and lack of localization made it literally impossible to view any
content without knowing Japanese. Are you really gonna tell me that you never watched shitty 240p reprints as a young weeb? Everyone did, it's why we're here.
To be blunt, it's just funny to see people trying to counter a notorious fandom elitist by being even more pointlessly elitist. I think he also got shit from damesukekun once lol, talk about a battle of the elitists.>>77052
You're right, permission doesn't matter. Here's me reposting caffein's art without permission.
Because he's been doing it for a decade, posts shit on a semi-regular basis, and interacts a lot with his fans. It's not rocket science.
Is he a garbage producer that sucks at making music? Yes. Are there producers out there much more deserving of the recognition he has? Also yes. But he didn't get his fame in a vacuum. He kept doing his thing and people began to recognize him after awhile. The more fans you have, the easier it is to get even more. It's just that most people aren't going to keep it up for long enough to get to that point.
Jfc I'm not even that anon to but you need to take a chill pill. Reprints have been a thing in the vocaloid fandom since the days when niconico was basically inbrowsable if you didn't have basic understanding of japanese language. Nowadays they aren't as needed as they used to but what's even wrong with it when both with it if the reprinter is granted permission and the author is ok with it? Do you understand there are many obscure producers who are actually benefited from a bigger channel with more exposure sharing their stuff? >>77019
Hell I'm a huge fan of AVtechNO! and I've never seen the guy complain about this channel repriting his stuff (and I was around when the KAT-TUN plagiarism shitstorm). You sound like fucking HnY when she had that huge aneurysm about people "stealing" her translations while crediting and linking to her.
You seem to have a huge hateboner for this dude, if you have this much milk of him just spill it and don't start retarded infighting about m-muh reprints. God I don't even know him, I just mentioned him because it was the first example that came to my mind, there are vocametal channels that also do the same. Only retarded preachy newfags would made such a fuss over something like this.
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probably referring to this
this is giving me flashbacks to the utau with the thick ass thighs except this is on the opposite end of the body
smh ruined a perfectly good design too. fucking shame
seems all the fire is not on the tweet itself, but in general twitter posts.
he basically tried to hype that theres new stuff coming for synthv and people probably thought it was going to be a new voicebank or something. in other words people interpreted the surprise to be something else and were disappointed
I don't think the problem is him working with the engine itself and not releasing new voices (i've seen some being upset about it not being a new voice, but it's a small minority), if it were, i don't think people would take issue with it. there seems to be a general dislike for the fact that he hyped something as trivial as a mere web editor, rather than some actual improvement on the engine and its technology – of which has been pretty much stagnant, small updates here and there aside, the synthesis still doesn't sound like "the world's most advanced voice synthesis" as he loves claiming.
personally, i agree that this is something dumb to hype. this is like if AHS hyped people saying something new was on the way, and in the end it was just the ability to test their voiceroid in your web browser; a feature that while useful for potential buyers, means nothing for users.
i just don't think it's something to get overly upset about like people did though. the man gotta do what the man gotta do, in the end it's his program.
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On the subject of Kenji. Have you guys seen this artist that has basically only drawn Dex religiously, in the same fashion that Japanese artist does? For someone who barely does shit other than bask in how he's Dex's voice actor, he sure seems to know how to grab asslickers easily. Lol
I encorage you guys take a look at this artist's profile ( https://twitter.com/viihmel
) as the sheer number of Dex posts from them lately have been almost obsessive (I've seen quite a lot of Kenji RTing him in my TL). My theory is that artists are probably seeing Kenji as an easy means to get clout, (given he RTs anything with Dex on it) since any quick glance on this rando's profile shows they didn't exactly draw Dex only before Kenji (ironically enough kinda resembles what happened to that other artist that now is basically Kenji's bitch).
Sooo, I'm friends with this artist and since I know this isn't gonna comeback to him, Imma expose this situation, so, my friend actually has a crush on Kenji, so he actually started drawing Dex exactly because he knows Kenji rt everything with Dex on it, especially kinda of lewd pics, so it ain't for clout or anything, literally just for his attention, which grosses me out, I always have to see WIP's of Dex in whatever the hell and I'm sick of it lmao
But yeah, my friend draws him a lot and Kenji didn't even follow him for a while and he was super depressed and shit because of that, he offered to work for Kenji (for free) and Kenji ignored it but honestly I feel really bad for my friend and kind of feel like Kenji is taking advantage of him, I mean, sure my friend is drawing him willingly but also sends like a lot of signals that he wants to work with him (even if it for free) and he seems to just lead him on you know? Like my friend tries to dm him and reply to tweets but he has broken english and he just never answers properly, Idk, just makes me feel bad for my friend and think poorly of Kenji, like he's leading him on just to get more draws and so he won't stop.
"love is blind", they say.
I now thoroughly believe it.
thx for the clarification. my bad
youre right tho. nothing to get too pissed about bc tbh people set their expectations too high. not his problem
hoping your friend wakes up because thats not healthy at all. nothing is shittier than being taken advantage of and we all know that kenji & friends only see people as either their slaves/tools for popularity or just a number. they dont give a shit about anyone but themselves
we all know what happened to that one other artist who became kenjis bitch. kenji saw how popular that person's art got and that the artist was a fan. thats an easy why for him to wrap them around his finger. even if kenji claims he "paid" for art, it doesnt matter. he managed to get free fanart and shilling anyways regardless of what he does with them now
said, "love is blind". "don't meet your idols" and shit like that
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speaking of sam and his art slaves, uoshi now has his account set to private. any ideas why?
No way that's true. Have y'all seen his face? I don't think anyone on this earth could ever have a crush on that ugly ass goblin-looking manchild
Your friend needs help asap lmfao
ngl I enjoyed his voice a lot on streams I've watched, he had an attractive voice I thought, but I hadn't seen his face yet, when I did it was a whole 360º he's so ugly even his voice became a big yikes, and yes, my friend really does need help lmao
I just wish he would see that Kenji is basically leading him on for fanart.
I mean why would you want kenji's fanbase to notice you? It's all either kids or unemployed, creepy losers
I get sucking up to people for clout, but kenji?????? Him and his crowd are super disgusting, and I don't mean physically (though he really does look like the poor albino version of ed sheeran), they're not even good people, always taking advantage of their fans so they can maintain this delusion of success they live in. They legit gross me out
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well, looks like they found the thread lol
ngl if anything at least hes brave
if i had a face like that you wouldnt catch me dead posting selfies freely like he does
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so shay did learn music theory. she just ignored everything about it and churned out crap anyways.
>>77199>ghost was so unfunny to the point her fans that worship the ground she walks on even decided its shit
if only they were smart enough to see the other bullshit
That's far too hopeful, unfortunately. It'd take Ghost doing more than posting an unfunny joke to get her gaggle of 13 year olds to stop worshiping the ground she walks on.
And as we've seen thus far with Crusher and the like, you can be as terrible as a person as you want as long as you retweet a few "miku said TRANS RIGHTS!!!!!" posts every so often.
Crusher never rubbed me the right way. I remember back in 2014~15 when she'd screech at anyone who got her pronouns wrong, even though she never listed them. She'd also change sexuality, pronouns and gender every so often like a russian roulette (ironic, considering she then decided she was just a "Cis Hetero She/Her" the moment she got in together with TheLivingTombstone, which means she basically was a transtrender lmfao). This would easily raise some eyebrows had it been a who in the fandom, and would've probably started never ending discourses, but as always, all of the """famous""" producers' circlejerks are protected by infinite layers of whiteknights. And like you said, as long as they keep RTing a few "miku said trans rights" or "minecraft bee is trans" BS, they'll be fine, regardless of the shit they do or how bad their personality is.
It's kind of sad, honestly. I used to consider Crusher the least-terrible of all the big name western producers because while she definitely had a shitty, childish attitude, she gave me the impression of the only one actually trying to be a "real" musician. Though in hindsight, it makes sense that her falling out with everyone she's ever worked with is because she's a serial bridge burner who seems to bail the second she's mildly inconvenienced.
Like, look at her album. Half of it is remastered versions of songs she made in collab with someone else, except the remaster is just her. I guess she wants a version to market without any "icky" people attached to it. My personal fav is how she remade OBEY which was originally a Chipspeech demo, then she remade it with GUMI and now pretends her time working with Plogue never existed.
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and the circle of dicksucking continues.
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the designs in question. they're ugly sailor moon bootlegs because haneoka can't costume design worth a shit, so aki got two cluttered moe blob messes for the price of one.
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There’s more. The colors are all over the place and inconsistent. The only thing that kinda ties everyone together are the jackets the guys get and sailor uniforms the girls get (and the terrible use of the salmon color in random places)
What an eyesore. Vocamerica was obviously just made so all of these “producers” can live out their dream of producing a concert and having a crowd lmao
Vocamerica is 4 years old and Akiglancy has yet to fully deliver those kickstarter stretch goals. Where is the 22k Aki?>>77278
smells like a self-post
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anon you silly nigger shes too busy doing this to care about vocamerica, now that she got her five minutes of fame she doesnt have to give a shit anymore. its all pretense
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kenji just posted this selfie, dont know if i should laugh loudly or cryhttps://mobile.twitter.com/nostr8answer/status/1213011172175335425
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>>77409>I'm here to make fun of their work, not their identity
img related. but also how is calling ghost she "making fun of" her lmao.
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Apparently, Miku's going to be performing at Coachella this year. And knowing what kind of a crowd Coachella brings in, you already know they're gonna make Miku sing some crappy EDM or pop song by some rando English producer
how it usually does. That is, the song will be terrible but people will be too distracted by the novelty of the concept of an Anime Girl Hologram Dance or they'll write it off as "yeah I knew vocaloid was just low quality preteen weeb shit."
I mean, not to give people war flashbacks, but remember David Letterman?
I'm assuming it's gonna be awful. It's Coachella, which is, as far as I'm aware, a music festival for indie artists. There's no way they're gonna play something iconic (I'm pretty sure that anybody attending Coachella would be turned off by any Japanese Miku songs); they're gonna ask Aki, or Circus, or some other English producer to make another generic pop song.
I can't honestly see it playing out any other way.
You just had to go there
I don’t know why they’re bringing Miku to Coachella of all things. Not that I know much about it, but isn’t that like a basic white girl event? Idk I just doubt you’re going to be seeing a lot of people there for Miku kek
They're probably using Miku to make their event sound cooler; "Oh, look at us! We've got an anime girl singing at our event!"
They've apparently got Kyary Pamyu Pamyu playing this year, too, so maybe there's some weeaboo amongst the staff deciding who gets to show up.
Hold up, when did any of us decide kira was any good at songwriting? His songs are all the same edm-sounding generic pop shit, you can't possibly like his stuff.
also what is it with him using gumi all the time? have a little diversity man.
the one positive I can see to this is that it'd be marketing vocaloid as, yknow, music, instead of most other western exhibitions of it where they go "look at the newest WEIRD AND WACKY thing from Japan. what'll they think of next?!?" a la david letterman and such.
then again, that's me being really optimistic
Anyone following this whole thing on pkakatora?https://twitter.com/SyphnNyaa/status/1214006745649025036
Dude runs halfassed channel with Project DIVA ""hacks"", cringy ass shitposts, those godawful Vocaloid UTAUs, doesn't even tune his own covers, yet thinks he's above everyone else.
Retard levels are off the charts with this one.
It's a trend I personally don't understand. UTAU fags seem to be all over this concept, with most of them claiming it sounds "so much better and realistic!1!!!11 uwu", when basically you're taking already synthesized samples and… synthesizing them again? Congrats, you have now doubled the engine noise. Not to mention the flat out horrid programming most of these have.
Kinda ironic we're full of deaf people in a music based fandom.
why would you take the word of this rando twitter user, '@syphnnyaa'? seems like you posted your own tweet on him.
he's annoying but kyammi is worse lmao. kyaami is out here taking credit for actual vocaloid songs, to the point where her covers are getting more credit than the original. good tuning doesn't excuse taking credit for other peoples work.
I agree with the sentiment over good tuning and not excusing credit for others' works. It does kinda bug me that she gets overpraised on things that aren't even hers.
And well, as for taking the word of a rando, unless there's provided proof that counters their screenshots (which there are more on their Twitter media), I don't see why I shouldn't take their word.
At least Kyaami contributes to original songs by tuning for other producers. And with her recent single maybe she'll actually start making her own shit? What's this other guy do besides make covers and shitty VSCO girl memes?
Though I agree, it sucks that her covers get more recognition than the originals. The western fandom's entire culture around covers bugs the hell out of me. The majority of decent content in the west is just covers, and even then it's people all using the same VSQs provided by someone like Kyaami. People are literally to fucking lazy to tune their own Vocaloids, what's the fucking point of having one if you're just gonna use somebody else's tuning
except she isn't fucking doing ANYTHING about it. no 'hey please support the original song thanks?'. nope. she clearly KNOWS that her shit gets more views and she takes advantage of that. 'teehee my stuff is accidently more popular. whoopsy i made a widdle fucky wucky'
(also why is it whenever she uses ritsu she has him drawn with big tits? isn't he 6? and uh, male?')
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You sound like a Vendetta-chan and nothing more
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pretty sure cfm has done arrangements on everyone's behalf to make this happen so sit down. cover artists selling songs is not a new concept anon, you sound like a vendetta-chan
Tbh kyaami isnt a bad person at all, I once asked her to collab with me with her singing for my songs. She declined, but was still friendly and shown more examples, because she still is interested, yet not confident about her skills.
If anything, shes way better than eyeris, ghost, and other music producers in the fandom, and is even nice.
Oh c'mon, almost all his songs are with Oliver, maybe sometimes GUMI if we are lucky, but most of the time she just appears on duets. I wasn't saying he doesn't use other vocaloids, i said he should stop using Oliver all together to focus on better vocals, it really ruins the songs.
>Also his tuning is fine? Have you seen his vsqx files?
I don't care, it sounds underwhelming, plain and boring, a total random on SoundCloud could do better. He could be the best producer on the western community yet does a shitty tuning work that doesn't equate to the instrumentals, it's almost sad.
Bro Gumi is a Jpop voice that may has some cuteness in it, Oliver is designed to be a serious choir voice. He has alot of great songs that use his voice type well like Tarantula and secrets of wysteria, gumi could never accomplish that.
But youre probably one of those vocaloid boomers who think jp vocaloids are the only good ones who he like "damn luka megurine v2 eng is SOOO good!!" while she sings asdfg something
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>>77628>he thinks he's better than kyaami!!!>no proof
>he's so rude!!!>singling him out when the screenshots literally show he wasn't the only one doing it.
>pkakatora says fuck trans rights!!!111one>the screen shot doesn't have him mentioning transpeople at all
Is she retarded? Is she legitimately mentally challenged?
Though looking through her twitter, I guess it's not surprising.
>>77743>youre probably one of those vocaloid boomers who think jp vocaloids are the only good ones
Or maybe I just have ears. Oliver is a novelty— a fun one, yes, but a novelty item. I have never once hear a single usage of him that was understandable, and he has tons of background noise in his samples. Gumis samples are clean, and I truly have no idea what you’re smoking to claim her voice type is some sort of irrevocable “anime cutesy” voice. Bro she literally just sounds like a normal young woman. If you can listen to Meika Hime, Una, lapis, etc (aka ACTUAL anime cutesy voice types) and claim gumi is at all in the same category in her default settings, you need to get your ears checked.
But even if you hate gumi, there’s many better choices than Oliver. Avanna, for one. You can lower her GEN and up her BRE and get a fitting mood with her voice.
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this just in: having a personal opinion is bad and mean
Why the fuck is anyone surprised? I saw the Len header and trans flag and my brain immediately shut off.>>77752
The fact that everyone seems to get so defensive over Dex & Daina when people bring up any criticism really says a lot, I think.
"The fact that everyone seems to get so defensive over Dex & Daina when people bring up any criticism really says a lot, I think."
especially if the voicers have anything to say about it. ruby applies too. basically goes on a crusade to say fuck opinions because theyre my vocaloids and theyre perfect
or in kenjis case cry about how life isnt perfect/the vocaloids arent perfect and that people are being unfair and theyre trying their best sob life sucks lol
shes always been defensive and over the dumbest shit sometimes. wish i kept receipts
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They all look like they were drawn by a 6th grader, especially Avanna… Oh wait
Oh please is there any way for Gumi to emulate Oliver's voice type, shes a english vocaloid with a japanese accent. She doesn't bring the same tone of emotion than oliver ever could, shes designed to be used for pop vocals.>>77749
She sounds like Luka with her english voicebank in terms of accent and voice type, she can't sound like a convincing child and never will be, and it' s just my honest opinion. If you can't deal with it that people genuinely like Oliver more than Gumi for some songs, then suck it up retard.
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Tell that to anon>>77808
>>you and the shotacons who spend all their time shipping him with len
Oh sorry KEK
I am not KEK
Can't wait to get called out here for liking oliver, even though i have criticism towards him
God, this thread is very quickly devolving into some pathetic NEET-fest. >>77847
Go listen to Oliver some more if that’s what you like doing, but quit whining about how “great” he is here. Nobody cares, and nobody’s going to defend your argument.
oliver is boring, just here for the slapfight>>77861
they can probably keep on coasting on v4 sales until either yamaha gets their shit together or another good engine pops up. i think that's what they're trying. for producers, having the absolute latest vbs isn't always necessary - if pkakatora has proven anything, you can straight up bullshit the fandom into believing v1 voicebanks are realistic and innovative if you really want to
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No, internet co has confirmed that they’re dropping out of the voice bank game. The CEO said on Twitter that they’re not making any V5 banks and also are not looking to switch to a new engine. RIP to Gumi, Gakupo, and una.
man, I really like internet co.'s products but their business logic fucking sucks.>make gumi and gakupo v4 updates>they're basically just an engine port>obviously nobody buys them because why bother>"i guess people just dont like our vocaloids anymore"
if they drop out of the vocal synth game because of that I'm gonna be disappointed as hell
granted, gumi had those other VBs that came with the V3 ones but that's not really an incentive either
it sucks they didn't follow through on wanting to update her english to V4, they probably could've fixed her glitches
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@anyone still arguing about oliver v gumi instead of actually talking about the cows: kill yourself. anyways. here's taro being a fag as a continuation of >>77752
, because she thinks that just because she was autistic enough to draw every vocaloid it means she has the right to gatekeep personal opinions.
people who manage to draw every vocaloid (+ whatever else) or hoped to either turn out to be amazing and nice people
or cunts with their heads far up their ass. taro and haneoka are prime examples of this
since taro was brought up in here shes doesnt only look like a gatekeeping twat but just another greedy artist looking to milk from the fandom
seriously i don't get why people go on about how (high quality) she is. like sure her english vb isn't complete horse shit and she sounds cute but that doesn't mean she's meant for every genre lmao.
she's more meant for pop songs and emotional stuff. oliver's meant for soft ballads and such
There was a tweet I viewed, unfortunately I have no screenshots
I was a twitter poll thing not too long ago that asked people how they felt about Kagamine Len as a vocaloid. Everyone was down to earth about what they liked and disliked. Some praised Len for his wide vocal range, while others complained his voice is too squeaky, and prefer Rin over him.
This is even for most fanarts of Len posted: Most everyone in the comments feels secure enough to poke fun at Len. Obviously he has flaws as a vocaloid, and people are okay with admitting that, and still like him.
However, whenever there's an UTAU or Vocaloid whose creator is in touch with the western fandom, everyone defends said voice with everything they've got.
If you were to criticize Kikyuune Aiko's voice, on Twitter or whatnot, most people would be pissed at you, and the creator herself may or may not get involved - possibly taking offense because it's her voice samples.
Call Aiko 'Blue Rin' for instance.
The same is done here with Dex and Daina. Obviously they both have flaws, and people can have reasons not to like their designs (the kemonomimi which was removed anyway because zero-g is full of pussies) or the nasal sound of Daina's voice. Yet, if you criticize them, the creators and their cult followers will more likely than not take offense over that.
It really makes you wonder. I doubt Asami Shimoda is crytyping on twiter every time someone says Len sucks.
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Is being nasal people's main problem with Daina? She has a laundry list of problems. Being nasal is just the tip of the iceberg for anyone that has actually attempted to use her.
My chief complaint about Daina is her Inconsistent Delivery. Lupin actually admitted this flaw on stream. Made excuses for Aki which may or may not be true, that this inconsistency was the result of direction from Anders Södergren, one of two engineers in charge of Dex/Daina who wanted a more "emotive" Vocaloid than an accurate one. Anders may have been pushing Aki, who had no formal training, outside of her comfort zone. Also, he may have been cheap/lazy in paying for retakes when there were notable flaws. If Dex/Daina are failures Anders Södergren is at least 25% at fault. Actually, I am willing to give Anders 100% of the blame, fuck Anders and fuck VocaTone. 100% of the Vocaloid Anders has been involved in were bad. He is the common link between all bad Engloids.
Besides delivery, my other complaint is the amateur level hardware. The Blue Yeti is, considering its use case, quite possibly one of the worst mic choices Aki could have chosen for vocal recording. Its capsules are tiny, only one is used for cardioid capture, and its frequency response is fucking terrible, RecordingHacks graph comparing the Blue Yeti vs the Rode NT1-A, a popular choice for many YouTubers. Not how it has almost no low end and how subdued the high end is. This explains a lot of Daina's problems. Her hardware choice was fucking terrible.
Also, I saw a 2015 selfie of Lupin with a Samson C01U on Twitter. Someone please, for the love of God, please tell me DEX was not recorded on a $50 USB microphone. Please tell me he didn't use that Samson C01U. Jesus christ what was the hardware budget for these English Vocaloid recordings? I know shitty UTAU users who had more pride in their work and hardware and they weren't even trying to make commercial products.
If you want the current topic itt to change just do it and don't whine over people not talking over whatever you want, dumbass. Be the change you want to see.>Instead of actually talking about the cows
Really? a vocafag being retarded on twitter it's ""milky""? that's just normal.
in other words dex daina and ruby are glorified utaus with a price tag
getting the fandom inside vocaloid production was a fucking mistake
you arent exactly bringing any milk yourself genius>>77922
oh lmao so this explains why kenji and aki get so defensive over dex and daina. the recording process sucked, the equipment they used sucked, the programming sucked, the final products sucked and everyone knows it but wont be honest with themselves. like the only reason why they didnt fall through all the way was probably because of those creepy little culty fanbases they got latching onto them and insulating the vps from criticism. they have nothing if they dont overcompensate.
also can you elaborate more on the inconsistent delivery thing? like is it in dainas volume or phonemes or what. the flaw must be a pretty big deal if kenji actually acknowledged it
and it sucks because you'd think the fandom would be able to understand what vocaloid users want and need considering that's exactly how VOCALOMARKETS and Yukari happened (and later Akari)
but no, the people who got involved are self-absorbed clout chasing cunts like pretty much every other "big" name in this fandom
normally i wouldn't recommend looking at vocaloid wiki, but it really is telling how yukari's article is mostly "this was done to respond to the lack of X vocaloids" and dex/daina/ruby are all "this was done because the VP felt like it"
if anyone wants to make an english voice synth that's genuinely for producers and not a total vanity project… it's free real estate
Which raises a question. Why is Anders Södergren, a Swedish national, the foremost expert on English voice synthesis? I bet you half the reason English pronunciation is shitty is that Ander is ESL and is configuring the voicebanks to his Swedish ESL standards. The more I look into Anders the more fucked up English Vocaloid seems at the very root, at it's very beginning by being involved in its production and having all the worst ideas. Looking at you VocaTone.>>77928
The inconsistency is one of delivery. Aki's ability to hit a note accurately and then hold the note for the duration of the sustain without warbling. Trying too hard for accuracy from untrained vocalists supposedly leads to voicebanks being flat or boring, under Anders direction the Engloids were recorded to be "emotive" rather than accurate. Whether that was a creative choice, a cost-saving measure, or simply a limitation because of the voice providers, we will never know. We could have had both emotion and accuracy if they had hired professional vocalists from the beginning rather than raising people up out of the fandom.
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WHERE'S THE 22K AKI
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see i dont even know if this is a joke or not since twitter is full of fucking clowns but theres this shit in the #hatsunemiku tag
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Th3olivermaniac deleted all his accounts last year as someone exposed him to his audience. Present day and now he has a new account acting like a teenager? (omg school is so hard, am I right fellow kids? XD) I have no idea if the account is actually his since it's dead now but the wording and overall vibe I'm getting from can only be him.https://www.instagram.com/hollowedoliver/
Account that posts Oliver? Check
Account that posts commission art of Oliver? Check
Has posted lewd picture(s) of Oliver? Check
Posts about this girl that makes him depressed? Check (at least in bio)
Typing style from 2010? Check
Also the person who drew maniac's profile picture is the same artist as hollowed, even though it's not credited
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I'm guessing someone found this thread?
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Yes, because when you're jealous of someone, you critique their work and point out what you don't like about it. Of course!
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guess that callout has done shit lol 'coz he's at it again
I really don't care about these "illegal" utau ports but it would be amusing to see his fans and the utau community go on an autism holy war against each other.
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This guy can't be serious. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that importing VOCALOIDs into UTAU is illegal.
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He knows, he's just doing it for attention.
Does anyone else feel like male voices just don't synthesize as well and maybe that's why they're less successful? Big Al sounds terrible (but is that down to his accent?), most male UTAUs sound ugly to me, like they're deep enough but turn mushy-sounding.>>78121
It would be plain sad if the answer to his involvement was simply "we couldn't find any native English speakers interested in this".
Big Al is definitely a little crusty, but I think it comes down to just how competent the company producing them is. Big Al was one of PowerFX's first Vocaloids and their first time making a male voicebank. Compare him to Yohioloid, who I think is pretty clean and sounds good. And of the few male JP voicebanks, most of them are pretty good too (besides KAITO V3 who sounds like he's deepthroating cotton balls).
I think the biggest reason male vbs don't do as well is because there seems to be a preference for cute animu girls, which is why the market is so saturated with forgettable cute girl voicebanks. I'd actually love to see a company do something a little daring and go for a unique male vocal. So many of them are just trying to re-create Miku and that's just not ever gonna happen.
imo male vocaloids belong to a really niche market of fujos (ex: something obscure like tonio has a small community of gay porn artists). They're dedicated but not enough to make an impact where it matters more (save for Len).
so yes, as >>78468
said cute animu girls sell more, even more with lolicon-bait characters like Una or the Meikas.
"a little crusty" I'm kekking, anon. Yohioloid is okay but again I think he has a very nasal tone like Fukase does too. But then they're two very youthful sounding males. I love KAITO as a character but I was never that fond of his V3 for that same reason, I'd rather have his V1 in UTAU (I ignore those slap fights about how legal it is because to me it's like pirating Windows XP because I don't
want 10 and would never pay for it even if it's the only option - either way, Yamaha/Microsoft won't gain a V3/W10 customer out of me)>>78473
This is too unfortunate. Clearly the solution is to make a generic brown/black-haired male character who is isekai'd into the world of Vocaloid as an otaku surrogate so they can ship themselves with Miku through him.
To be fair, the role of 'self insert male protag' in songs is usually already played by Len (Plus Boy, straight faced science girl, etc.)
(Though you see kaito play this role a lot as well)
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a followup to haneoka's hissyfit. i'm pretty sure we pointed out exactly what was wrong with her art and how it could be changed but since it wasn't wrapped up in a bunch of uwu ur so amazinggggggg ilu <3 praise it doesn't count as constructive criticism. i hate artists who do this shit. if they don't pull the "B-BUT IT'S MY STYLE" card, they dismiss what you say altogether as being a jealous hater so they can continue to insulate themselves from differing opinions. this fandom is just deathly allergic to anything shy of dicksucking
i wouldn't really call len in plus boy a shota. he's more like…a typical representation of a horny prepubescent boy.
Gigantic otn would be a better example of giga-p's possible shota fetish seeing the light of day.
(i think reol has a shota fetish as well. i like to laugh at the thought of her singing with kradness specifically because he sounds like a little boy)
first, even if you're not here for long you should skim the rules/info so you don't get banned.
the drama a lot of producers get into has less to do with whether or not they get on/use social media, and more with their personalities. the producers we've spoken about here are pretty much all emotionally stunted, narcissistic, etc. if you're a well-adjusted person you should be fine.
as for character design, i personally haven't seen much hate about it. in my opinion, it's not a problem; plenty of popular japanese producers commission art for their characters. just be polite and make sure you credit the artist properly and you'll be good to go. granted, my view may differ from others, but this is basically what i've experienced.
all-in-all, don't let a bunch of adult children on the internet prevent you from having fun. good luck, anon!
79056 covered it. stay away from drama if you can help it. try not to pander to people and be "uwuuuu positivity!" for every bad thing that happens because some people think thats attention whoring and annoying
take a break and think before you type. consider consequences of what you say. if nothing seems like a good idea, dont say anything. its better to say nothing and earn nothing than say something and get flamed for it
to add to the "narcissistic" kind of producers, dont let fame go to your head. be humble
Oldfag here who's been years in this fandom. I personally advice you to stay away from the community. Only interact with people who seem well adjusted and chill and be in alert for any redflags at all, and as soon as you see something that may seem suspicious cut contact with them. As it's been pointed out many times in this thread and the last one too, for some reason this fandom attracts specially fucked up people like pedos and when not people (of both genders) tend to be very predatory. I had to deal with some of them myself as a teen, and I still deal with aftermath effects even after having gotten away from them. Be very weary of people with an autistic fixation for pedobait characters (ie lenfags and oliverfags, but to an extend rinfags and hardcore mikufags too).
You say you are interested on commissioning a character design, are you making an utau? I must warn you that utaufags are cancerous as fuck and tend to talk in cringy rupaul lingo (many of them are also trannies or genderspecials, or furries; oh god don't even interact with the furries). It is funny experimenting with the utau program and covering your fave songs and all, but for fuck's sake, don't become fixated with being popular and getting exposure because that's how you get caught in the net of fuckery. Use twitter for the bare minimum necessary and stick to youtube and soundcloud because that's where you'll have to upload your stuff anyway. And please, keep it at being a hobby and always be ready to leave the community if things get sketchy. I know people fucked up in the head enough to be obsessed with this thing to the point it's their main job for them, unironically. Also don't idolize popular coverists/producers because all of them turn out to have some amount of drama in my experience.
Answering to your question, I don't think commissioning a character design is looked down as long as it isn't a fanloid or something stupid, and if it's for your utau, as long as you do the rest such as the otoing and recording it and etc, I've never seen anyone have a problem with that.
said, steer away from the community. Especially if you plan to do UTAU things because in the event your singing OC gets popular, the salty utaufags will come at you if they can't get you to be in their circlejerk/clique. They'll do a smear campaign ranging from digging up things you can get canceled for or how your UTAU isn't a 34634534-pitch CVCVVCVCVCVCCVCWTFBBQ voice bank therefore the popularity is undeserved.
So basically, be humble and have common sense on the internet?
But for the commission, yes it is for an UTAU. I haven't even really been looking at designs yet because I figured I should start by trying to actually record well and oto well. (If it makes any difference my mic is a Sterling ST155)
Pretty much yep. It's just that there is a disproportionate number of people in this community who lack that common sense. You'll get to see it yourself.
Anyway don't sweat it too much with your first utau, just try to have fun doing the thing and you'll learn as you keep trying to record and make new voicebanks. It's something you learn to do through trial and error, and since the recording and otoing involves several stages of production there is always something you can learn.
It's nice that you are getting some help with your first voicebank tho, good luck bud. Hope your friend likes it but don't get too sucked into it neither.
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cringe. i hate that these twitterfags have ruined miku for me.
lol, cant screenshot rn this retard has a fanloid thats just "what if miku was fat and black with a giant nose?"https://twitter.com/DestinytoMoon/status/1219722729177436160?s=20https://fanloid.fandom.com/wiki/Hatsune_Mina
natrually twitter retards flock to her while giving clout and acting like she ended racism for it.
they have "yaoi" in their header and draw every character fat, what do you think the chances of them being a fetishist is?
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Yeah, I was expecting much worse from anon's description.
This isn't even fat in the least, especially compared to the mess in >>79442
I agree the brows and tranny stuff are cringy, though.
This is the one who started the Miku is trans thing to begin with though. She posted the very first Miku trans headcanon and rose to fame by being dragged for it by anime twitter.
After that the Miku is trans thing blew up to piss off the people who complained about her take.
She's a major SJW.
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Samefag but she also did this monstrosity to Ixima's art.
It's because making a black character is already them being generous and over the top, in their own eyes, so they decide to go the extra mile to also make them ugly, fat, trans, autistic, and hairy.
To them, dark skin is probably already low-key synonymous with all those things, and they want their woke status.
God this artist seems to be in every popular fandom and posts literally nothing but gay / trans / black / fat headcanons. Nothing at all. Just constantly spamming mediocre headcanon artwork for notes.
Ngl I don't even think she tries to make her art ugly on purpose, she just sucks at drawing.
Looks like it's actually not a racebend.https://twitter.com/DestinytoMoon/status/1142686941055508480
I do understand why she's pissed, now that she mentioned no one complaining about Calne Ca and other versions. My only real problem is the ugly art style, personally.
But why complain about it? Who is actually harmed, and how does it negatively affect the character?
Self-insert stuff in general is pretty harmless. Fans do that shit. It's to be expected. Not liking it makes sense because it's usually pretty hideous, but getting angry doesn't, imo.
If we're continuing with the Calne Ca example, Calne Ca is different in that she's not strictly a Miku "recolor" and never was one originally. She was Deino's original creation and while her Miku-esque form is the way most people recognize her she's not necessarily "creepy robot Miku"
On the other hand, this is definitely just "wut if miku black" and the only credit I can possibly give is that the artist at least had the sense to make it a derivative. still sucks tho
Nobody's said they can't. I'm just saying it makes no sense to be angry
Who gives a shit if some Twitter rando drew a genderbend of a fictional character with orange skin and cystic acne and rainbow hair? Shit's ugly, scroll past. If it inspires rage in you, you might be taking Vocaloid too seriously lol
At the same time, people have made characters like Mikuo Hatsune obviously based on "wut if miku male", and straight up recolors like Miku Zatsune that were obviously just "miku but goth".
I agree it sucks, but it's all just derivative fanmade content in the end. It'll fizzle out of popularity like all the rest.
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Speaking of Mikuo, what do you think would happen if all these woke pc artists discovered Mikuo or genderbends in general? Since a lot of them see Miku as a trans girl already.
I mean…most little wokies know what genderbends are already and ignore them because they're "problematic
apparently it was caught by a random youtuber:https://twitter.com/tady357/status/1220509430778925057
funny she's startled by this to the point of making
a thread, when a quick google search gave me this: https://poopnyeta.tumblr.com/post/43559286519
the post dates back to 2013, meaning it was, like she stated, years ago, meaning it's no hacker, it's just flat out her being her. difference being (my guess) is that she didn't think she would get caught years later, mostly cause almost no one uses Tumblr nowadays, but here we are.
i've seen lots of people complain about them saying they're "transphobic" but they never explain how or why.
people still draw them and shit, they just sperg out over the use of the word "genderbend"
I think the worst part of this is that they should of brought Miku on when she was widely known which was around 2012-2014…
It's just kind of strange they brought on now. Or why didn't they bring Luka on when the song Sad Machine came out?
Sage for blog post.
Ah I remember when this started to become a thing on tumblr. It's transphobic to draw genderbends because they could be trans, but aren't, and drawing sex differences could theoretically make the absolute most sensitive people feel bad. Depending on how galaxy brain the person is feeling, the correct way to draw Mikuo is either to draw him as a trans man, or just draw Miku and say she uses he/him pronouns.
This is basically not a real issue but it's useful for attention whores. Hey, you know that thing that you like? Well it's problematic
now and you need to like MY thing instead
They call genderbends problematic
because it only acknowledges male/female as a gender and not the other 150 gender identities tumblr made up.
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>being so full of yourself that you cosplay the character you designed
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I thought she deleted it already
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Not someone with it/xe pronouns saying this shit.
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Anyone else seen this? Some Japanese Twitter users were trying to drag western Vocaloid Twitter into their callout for SOOOO. One side says SOOOO is secretly an asshole who sexually harassed a teenager into leaving the fandom, the other says he's being doxed and stalked by people holding a grudge.
Idk what's actually going on, but it's kind of funny that this is leaking here solely because the western fandom has a hardon for creepypasta.
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ghost has a paid discord server, imagine paying to talk to herhttps://www.patreon.com/ghostandpals
I want to get in just to see if theres any milk, but I refuse to give them money
samefag: i have never seen thank you credits in any
of her videos
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They included the little “thank you!” thing at the end of Entomologists’s PV. It’s absolutely insane how many people are actually paying this broad every month; they’ve got 184 patrons. Nobody in their right mind would actually pay to hang out and talk with GHOST, you already know, it’s all just edgy teens and 20-somethings who act like edgy teens.
I'm so damn triggered
. Why are there still dumbasses spreading this? I hope >>75984
speaking of mitchie M i'm pretty sure his most recent upload is about being a capitalist shill
so yeah, real music. so inspiring.
Fucking yikes. This has got to be some of the most obvious chinese capitalist propaganda I've seen. Some of these lyrics are actually so disgusting and insidious like "oh u got a crush on someone?? nah nah don't talk to them or anything, our AI suggests u should buy this expensive gift from us and then our drones will deliver it to them so u don't even have to leave ur house!"
Maybe it's just me but the whole concept of like face recognition "smile and pay" is fucking creepy anyway, let alone when you try to shill it with kawaii desu anime shit.
what, the whole "buy buy buy" shit didn't tip you off?
normally i'm pretty cool with mitchie-m. his stuff is pretty much that stereotypical bubblegum pop people generalize vocaloid to be, but he seems to actually put some effort into experimenting with new instruments and shit (not to mention the sheer technical skill of the tuning is pretty up there).
but this? i feel like it's pretty obvious he got a shitton of chinese money to make this song… this ain't it chief
I think she was in band, not in A band.
She probably played 3rd trumpet or something and just played what was put in front of her.
On the topic of VOCAMERICA someone asked Aki a while back if they could get access back to the VOCAMERICA models and she said she wasn't distributing them anymore? https://twitter.com/codyboyo/status/1205403701361422336
100% its fallen off the rails and she doesn't want to make a public statement about it.
"it's more that we've decided not to distribute them to keep people from using them/distributing them on certain programs without permission" aka "I didn't like people putting them up on VRChat". It happens, get over it, lmfao.
Also I really hate Vocamerica now I wish I never funded the fucker. The UTAU shoehorning pisses me off (Namida is such a shit voicebank) and she still has yet to finish any of those stretch goals – most of which I feel that the money others spent onto the project got splashed elsewhere (she literally funded like 3 expensive kickstarters after her kickstarter finished).
surprised she made the models available for distribution in the first place. people dont follow rules and butcher models sometimes so i wondered why she thought it would be a good idea to let people use them if they just end up in places where she doesnt want them to be or used in ways she doesnt like
probably to promote the fuck out of vocamerica since adan and akuo are their model brands. where theres those two theres vocamerica. her mistake for thinking people werent going to do this kind of thing to the models lol
youre right. vocaloid is a waste of money, time, and is just shoehorning of not just their utaus but their own vocaloids. its a disgusting mess of "look wut i made hurr" and not paying people properly. the fact that people fall for it and help anyways for less is fucking stupid
>>80696>The program doez it guys omg
Jesus Christ I Anon I have no words even the most obnoxious weeb posted itt knows the bare minimum about how VOCALOID works what the fuck are you even doing in here>>80656
I bet some vocalistener at least is involved even if he just uses it as a reference given how much of a clusterfuck that plugin turned out.
He uses a pretty wide variety of programs in addition to Vocaloid, he's posted his process for some of his songs on his blog.
I read somewhere that he also tunes everything at like half-speed and then speeds it up to the proper tempo when he's done. Dunno how true that is though.
I would of never guessed he tunes at half the tempo then speeds it up. Would it be so that they can listen to any weird glitches in the voice? >>81085
eh, I don't mind them to much, but i don't follow them that much anymore. I will give them this, I have attempted to adapt lyrics into English and it is harder than it sounds so I can at least respect them for trying. However I do agree that juby isn't all that great at singing pop. I think she is better at broadway like songs. (I think she mentioned she was trained in jazz at one point.) Though I do think Oktavia does a good job of adapting and singing. Her Sing = Like a Magic is pretty close to what the lyrics of the original are and she can hit the low notes pretty well.
Akis artwork is as pathetic as her music which is as pathetic as her vocaloid/utau. Literally no one wants it but she keeps pushing it on people. Bet you shes passing them out at a con cuz shes not supposed to be selling Moomin shit.
Is she still selling those on her patreon or shop?
That's a very smart thing to do actually, it makes sense he would do that. When you're editing stuff on its original tempo you can hear the mistakes but can't tell where they are exactly and it can drive you crazy for hours.>>81133
Pretty much yep.
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there. thats where the 22k went. not on vocamerica. not on stuff people would actually give a shit about. its all going towrd shitty cosplays and ugly merch to show at conventions
people need to stop giving her money
I’m going to the vocaloid katsu photoshoot meet up. I’ll see what button she gives me…..
Can’t wait to see what she’ll look like in person