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Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCerohttps://twitter.com/TheBlackCerohttps://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos, when, in fact, for the most part they were not>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior">cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bEST
GHOST>used garageband for a majority of their music>knows nothing about music theory>""""nonbinary"""">had a music series but discontinued it because "i am depressed">horrible tumblr art>"bendi and the ink machine ees good game>tRIGGER WARNINGS bECause i have mental illnesses and you do toohttps://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALShttps://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
UmbraticForest>not very milky, just shitty voice, shitty art, and shitty translyricshttps://twitter.com/UmbraticForest?lang=enhttps://umbraticforest.deviantart.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrjEDps2C_OPSDOyfz_fpvQhttps://www.instagram.com/monstre__charmant/
Creep-P>terrible fucking music>keeps shilling his album>obsessive fanbase of edgy childrenhttps://www.youtube.com/user/TheCreepyPie/featured?disable_polymer=1http://music.itseyeris.com/https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie
Previous Thread: >>12305
Sorry for the lazy copy-paste OP, but I feel like with the two soon ending MikuExpo contests there is drama incoming.
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just a summary of the more recent hazuki/cero stuff. Disclaimer: don't have receipts for most of it, and didn't see the 'apology' video before it was taken down
>2018, Cero starts uploading translations on his channel.>After a while the videos start including both cero's logo and hazuki's hidden in them, usually pretty faintly but it's still obvious the two are still working together on translations/subs>Meanwhile, a lot of different channels have been reuploading hazuki's old translations. Links to a large archive of videos are posted on reddit
Things seem calm for a while, with Hazuki & Cero translating a range of songs from big producers like DECO*27 to lesser known ones
Then, earlier this month, Kaja released Unclosed Human, a wowaka tribute song that was a collab between a number of producers including cillia
>Hazuki & Cero sub and reupload the song on Cero's channel and are called out for it, hard, for reuploading without asking Kaja's permission>They make a community post on youtube that's half an apology, half trying to justify themselves by pointing out issues with youtube's captioning system e.g. a lot of producers don't enable it, accuracy of translations because anyone can upload, etc>(I think they also took the video down before this, not 100% though)>Mostly negative response from the community>Then they did a livestream titled "An Apology" where:
"They made a short speech about how it was unethical to translate/reprint without permission.
-They noted that they had never asked for permission for any of the videos on their channel, but now understood it was unacceptable…
-…And therefore they would be deleting all of their videos during the livestream." (taken from the reddit post)
Cero's channel, and all the videos on it, were deleted. Seems like a few of the channels that had been reuploading old hazuki translations have had their videos deleted or deleted them themselves in response to hazuki's blog post.
On the 14th, Hazuki posted the following statement on her blog:
"This blog is permanently inactive.
Please refrain from reuploading any video featuring my translations.
Please do not put my translations on any uploads, closed captions, wikis, etc.
Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated.
All previous translations have been deleted from the blog, and she later added to the message:
"Postscript: It has come to my attention that there may be some comprehension problem regarding my statement above.
To clarify, by “Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated,” I mean that I would like all past uses of my translations to be removed.
This includes subbed videos, closed captions, wikis, etc.
Any use of my translations should be considered unauthorized and an infringement of copyright."https://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/
If anyone has other sources/actually saw the video please add to this. sorry for messiness, not posted here before
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vocaloid voicers singing with their vocaloids isn't new, what's your point?
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my point is that it's pathetic for someone to have a copy of their own vocaloid and constantly use it for their music. it's fishing for attention because you're clearly trying to get people to care based off of the one slightly interesting thing you accomplished so they'll post brainlet comments like "omg u totally sound like dex i can't even tell the difference ur so gud wow my wigggggg" on an otherwise mediocre edm track. the duet isn't the problem. fixating upon your status as a voice provider is
He was probably given a copy since he provided the vocals? It's not like he went out and bought it. Yeah it's an attention grab but how else is he supposed to advertise dex/himself? At least he actually wrote a song for it instead of just doing a bad cover of a popular song like most people who think they'll get famous with a shitty utauloid of their own voice.
>mediocre edm track
You mean like 99% of songs by western producers?
they're all so fucking same-y as well. whether it's ghost or creep-p every song is just gore/horror/abusive
relationship. they're both in their 20s, just fucking go to therapy already and stop pandering to 3edgy5u teens
I like ferry just because she actually has a series with lore going on, and her songs don't all sound the same.
Ferry is fine, but it's sad that one of the only tolerable western producers sucks at music production. Her mixing has gotten a bit better, but it still comes across as amateurish.
She'll probably improve with time, but it fucking sucks that the only people in the community who know sound design choose to make the most uninspired EDM/muh trauma shit.
what does it matter when her brainlet middle schooler fanbase will eat up everything she releases no matter how bad or uninspired or forced it is. that's why she has no interest in actually pushing herself to improve or do anything significantly different; why care when all your feedback is going to be overwhelmingly positive anyways?>>71853
you've got the right idea, cheers
not exactly easy to find talented new japanese producers when one of the most active subbers likes to throw shitfits and insist everything they've ever translated is "tainted" and must be nuked from the internet.
Forgetfulsubs was about the best other one but they went on health hiatus almost a year ago and hasn't said anything since, and most the other subbers mentioned in the previous thread who aren't google translate level only upload one or two videos a year
oh boy ghost, i checked out housewife radio from them recently because i thought it might be interesting since i've never seen 1950's aesthetic in a vocaloid video before. music could have been catchy if they worked on it more, lyrics are bad and gumi sounds like shit even tho her english is really good.
not connected but are there any western producers you guys would recommend? i mostly listen to japanese producers and a few old english songs.
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so aki is charging forty dollars for an ugly gremlin chibi doodle because she needs money but she also has enough money to attend a four day, out of state con in atlanta with three different homemade cosplays. $28k where
Steampianist (if edgy shit is your cup of tea)
LesManga Musique (more on remixes tho)
how about those?
listened to the song you linked and its a bit too generic edm for me. quasar-p's music wasn't bad but there's definitely room for improvement in the vocals as you said.>>71907
i don't mind edgy shit every now and then, (bacterial contamination is pretty fun) but steampianist's stuff really isn't my thing.
i really like AdyS's more rocky sound, but the singing is pretty bad, in "Can't stop the world from spinning" the music just straight up overpowers the singing.
really enjoying Beau Jordan's more chill music, thrive reminds me of another song, but i cant put my figure on what.
on LesManga Musique, i'm not really into this kinda meme music but that madeon and porter robinson mashup is great.
"Mine" from ODDEEO could have been something i liked but i felt the vocals didn't work really well with it.>>71920
checking out Marvin Valentin and "Gifted Child" gave kind of a bad impression at first cus it felt flat to me, but "Starburst" is actually pretty good but they need to work on the vocals.
from Lauren Estes "Beyond the Veil" started out fun but the singing quickly ruined it, though i've heard that dex and daina are kinda low quality vocaloids. their other stuff was a bit slow for me.>>71956
yea i should prolly have started with that lol. i'm into metal/rock stuff, listening to a lot of utsu-p and maretu right now, but i also like a more electronic or pop-y sound like deco*27.
the difference is its not very often. chika and her voicer did it for one time. arsloid and his voicer did it on stage and so did seeu. sachikos voicer even made a cover and meika voicer made an original but thats the thing. they dont do it constantly and as an obvious ploy for attention because they dont even need it. all of these other voicers are already famous or well known that they dont even need a vocaloid to boost that. sometimes the things they do dont even boost the popularity of the vocaloid anyways cuz chika and arsloid are still unpopular as shit regardless.
aki, kenji, and misha are all nobodies in comparison to all of the other vocaloid voicers. the only clout they fish for comes from the vocaloid fandom and anyone willing to suck up to them. theyre all shitty people who unfortunately got vocaloids and equally shitty ones at that. the easiest way to keep clowning around for attention is to keep using their own vocaloids and promote them as good vocals even tho we all know the three are garbage. or if youre aki, scam people for money, get people to do shit for you for ugly ass keychains, pander to other languages cuz youre weeb trash, and praise shota baby panties>>71786
dex doesnt need the advertisement. character itself is the least shitty of the three worst engloids. people consider using him unlike daina and ruby. kenji himself is a desperate manchild who manipulates others into doing free fanart and doing everything he could to try to stay "relevant", including doing a "voice provider edition" of "Honey I'm Home" that nobody asked for.>>71787
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it's in very bad taste and, like with everything else they do, is a clear attempt at forced relevance. as for what >>72095
said, the people organizing the big alliance album either allowed it because either "oh em gee how could i say no to real life voice providers" or sam and aki twisted their arms into doing it. knowing how sam is having uoshi pump out dex fanart while still policing what people say about dex and daina three years after they've been released, i think we can guess which one it was at this point
kenji's might have been a duet with al and dex considering that uoshi's track art had both of them in it. iirc aki's uses daina as harmonies and al as the main vocals? point is its fine if there are vocals in the album that arent just the vocaloid its dedicated to as long as the subject gets the main vocals. thats been done in plenty of albums. but thats the tea: they use their own vocaloids and not any other engloid. its just shit shilling and self promoting. imho it would have been nicer to use another pfxloid but instead its dex and daina because its kenji and aki.>>72105
classic grown ass man acting extremely childish. its been three years. this isnt fucking utau. its a paid product. people have a right to be dissatisfied for what they paid for. grow the fuck up
It would've been pretty cute if they used another PFXloid as like a family thing. They could've used that to their advantage as a gimmick instead of hurrdurr this me Vocaloid but of course they had to be ginormous speds about it. >>72116
It's gotta be an insecurity thing. If he was actually confident about Dex and Daina he wouldn't be doing all this autistic screeching every time someone said something mean about them. Damn. At seventy dollars each they're the most expensive Vocaloids in Zero-G's library. Get over yourself.
thats just it isnt it? dex and daina are nothing to be confident about. they along with ruby are complete shit. dont forget that the pair have wookie noises for growl and somehow zero-g and yamaha allowed that.
its so funny how almost 4 years ago since dex and daina released that kenji claimed that people were entitled to their own opinion and whatever and was fine with the criticisms as long as theyre valid
. now hes a hypocrite. all he does is cry and whine and screech every time someone says something against dex and daina and sometimes its real criticism and nothing mean. he just doesnt like to hear how flawed they are and made himself the official police. if youre going to be this butthurt stick to fucking utau because a lot of those fans are just as annoying and butthurt
i know misha and syo does the same shit with ruby too but misha is also an entitled bitch who doesnt give a fuck about what retarded things she says. ruby is crowned worst vocaloid so it doesnt even matter in the end. for kenji and aki, they just keep fucking themselves up and whore for attention and use people
even for the three worst trio, dex is the most popular of them. even though he has problems people like him for other reasons. for kenji thats not enough. he has to rub dex shit all over and manipulate people to do it. its beyond pathetic
Daina just sounds bad. I dunno how anyone can justify it beyond 'feels'.
Her delivery is inconsistent. Kenji frames it as a strength as it makes her sound more "dynamic", fuck that. If I wanted my Vocaloid to sound dynamic I would tune it so. KenjiB says its because their director told them to deliver with "power" but that doesn't change that Aki didn't have enough vocal training to deliver it consistently. It doesn't matter if its Aki or the director's fault, it makes Daina sound bad.
Her gear was garbage. Who the fuck thought recording on a Blue Yeti was a good idea? You don't need the extra pickup patterns, its diaphragm is fucking tiny, and the mic has no dynamic range. You want to know why Daina has no low end, Blue Yeti can't record below 50Hz, is -5db at 100hz, and doesn't reach 0db till 200hz.
The eternal problem with many Engloids is Zero-G cheaped out on recording once again, rather than renting a studio they had each voice provider use their home studios and quality varied wildly. Its not quite Sonika's webcame mic quality, or Oliver's I can hear the Computer Fan quality, but it was still pretty bad.
The only compliment I can give is at least Dex sounds okay. I actually like Dex. He is no Big Al, but he is passable enough.
Long live The BIG ALiance. As a western fan I preordered it anyways because there are more artists than Kenji and Aki on it.
I liked it. Nice to see Meika Mikoto getting some more use. Lyrics were a bit too close to ghost/creep-p etc "muh trauma" shit but I guess that's pretty common even with japanese producers.
"here's a reference sheet in case anyone wants to draw fanart~" seemed a bit much though.
in a lot of her songs she sings in a clam, lower range (and has a general tomboy-ish masculine voice, albeit high-pitched.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeBmERz6BYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFfeTIWWcohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUDbAe4UZohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-6QPEes1k
now, this isn't to say she idn't strictly an alto, but she CAN sing low notes a lot better than say miku.
len is obviously a tenor, although his v4x can go much lower than his previous vbs.
Yea she does but cillianis a big deal in the western fandom bc thru her, anyone who collabs probably with her would be able to shill their music to a japanese audience
Like thats why i think creep should finally just drop his act and admit hes just out to shill his music. He doesnt do shit by himself anymore,
tunings done by his friends, same with pvs, and probably tries to kiss his ass through The guy who masters all vocaloid tracks bc his mixingnis trash as well
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Am I the only one here who kinda feels like Circus-P's music has gotten kinda bland over the years? As well as his general aesthetic?
I dunno, his newer stuff sounds like generic american pop songs.
What happened that made him change style? Whenever I look at his newer stuff I have a hard time believing it's the same dude who wrote Circus Monster, iNSaNiTY and mErcy all while he was a teenager.
But as an adult all he can make is bland pop music…
His stuff has never sounded stellar for me. I never understood what was so special about his works, even back then, they've always sounded either bland or extremely cheap to my ears.
From what I can see, nowadays he makes the safest possible releases, since he's aware that he's got a large enough fanbase to support whatever works he puts out. Probably doesn't feel like coming out from his creative safe space with stuff that may end up diminishing his income.
Or maybe he's just lazy and sloppy.
If you think he's stepped away from edgy stuff or whatever for the sake of his large fanbase, look at creep-p and ghost.
Also what the fuck even is his icon?
edgy circus monster bishounen boy to distract from the fact that he's probably another white, overweight loser weeb that no one would approach in real life>>72533
he was never a stellar producer to begin with, but at least his earlier songs had a distinct style and personality that set him apart. these days it just all blends together, not only within his own body of work, but with what everyone else is doing too. he seriously doesn't have any passion for what he does anymore and it shows
these days it just all blends together, not only within his own body of work, but with what everyone else is doing too. he seriously doesn't have any passion for what he does anymore and it shows
no passion is fucking right. once people hit the "popular" tier, they dont have to give a shit about what they produce anymore. its all for money and attention and they know their fans would take it anyways.
Not exactly what I meant. I don't think he stepped away from edgy stuff for the sake of his fanbase, but rather he just goes the safest and easiest route to keep himself there. He basically produces things that will keep him a (or any) fanbase, no afterthought on what he produces or anything; as long as it resembles music it'll be enough to count as content, which will give him the income he needs to keep himself afloat. In the end it all sounds bland and similar since he doesn't really care (or at least it looks like he doesn't) about what he's putting out, he's just doing so for the sake of doing so, no passion or anything involved.
But yeah, his icon looks awful.
Jesus, never thought about it before.
But now I feel bad for him. When he was a teenager, he sought after making music as an enjoyment, and it even shows in his illustrations. He used the vocaloids with much more character, not just blank states to sing for him.
Now, he's doing this for the purpose of surviving and meeting ends. He never talks about his personal life on twitter, but I can imagine he's been going through a depression for a few years now. And music was his coping mechanism.
Maybe I am just looking too far into this. It's my own thoughts.
So what exactly made the vocaloid community like this?
Because I know that the western side wasn't like this not even a few years back.
I mean, a lot of people will say that vocaloid has been losing momentum for years and I don't think that's inaccurate. Just look at Sand Planet>Written for Miku's 10th birthday celebration>song is literally just about how the creator feels vocaloid has become a desert
In Japan it seems like this has to do with producers establishing themselves through vocaloid and then moving on to have a music career without it. In the west I guess you get the opposite, people like Circus-P clinging on to vocaloid despite clearly being burnt out and no longer inspired to make music.
It's not just edgy producers, japanese fans dislike him for it too.>>72687
He got attention due to the overwhelming support of his vocaloid fans in the first place. Now that he had success outside of it and made his 400mil yt views, he finally blessed us filthy mortals with one song after years of absence that was commissioned to be a celebration for miku and all he does is shit all over not only the community, but also every new producer and displays himself as some kind of leader. If he wanted to show his displeasure with the current state there could have been a million ways to do it better while also showing your gratitude but he did it in the most rude and useless way. Hell I loved Official Orange but I can't help but feel the bitter aftertaste after reading his interview and seeing his self-cover of sandplanet. He's extremely full of himself, esp in contrast to Wowaks's take.
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>>72202>Sonika's webcame mic quality>Oliver's I can hear the Computer Fan quality
Wait what? Am I the only one here who actually likes Sonika and Oliver? (oliver more so because i own him)
used to like Oliver a lot when I was new, now I don't even want to do anything with him. I can't even draw fanart or use him for covers because it attracts creepy spergs
There's a creepy neckbeard pedo in the community that pays people to use Oliver in suggestive covers + paying cosplayers to dress up like him in a questionable way.
You can like Oliver and recognize he doesn't have good quality recordings. Some of baggagelizard's Oliver originals are among my favorite Western tracks.
There is low frequency noise and buzz in almost all his samples. Either he was recorded on a 'noisy' mic, he wasn't recorded using balanced audio equipment, or they captured background audio AC fan, computer, fan or something.
There is definitely something wrong with Oliver's samples, beyond just the untrained vocalist behind the mic.
Sonika though, besides some really good fanart/cosplay has no redeeming value. I can think of exactly 2 original songs with her that were any good, that wasn't a duet with a better Vocaloid.
I think Sonika looking like Gumi was a coincidence, what the devs really wanted was a western equivalent to Miku. Obviously, that one didn't pan out.
Tbh, every single Engloid dev team since Miku has been a struggle between weebs with no technical proficiency and software engineers that have no idea how to market to Vocaloid fans. It's why basically every launch is fucked for one reason or another
English Miku wouldn't be bad if people realized she isn't the same as JP Miku. She sounds different, needs to be tuned differently, and people using her are using her for all the wrong reasons.
Besides The Kenji
being an asshat his Vocaloid Dex actually sounds okay, Avanna is a bit soft but passable, Ruby has a shit design but doesn't sound bad. Sweet Ann was one of the better V2s. LEON, LOLA, MIRIAM are dated but weren't bad for the time.
Cyber Diva & Cyber Songman are fucking awesome in Vocaloid 5 and are a fucking steal if you get V5 Premium, especially with the upgrade pricing.
The rest? Big Al is a good meme. The rest are garbage.
Diva and Songman ARE fucking awesome. I love Diva's cutesy-yet-mature idol voice, and Songman sounds amazing as well (though some attention to him is purely because he's one of the only black vocaloids.)
and their designs are cool to me. I love the futuristic aesthetic, it's reminiscent of how crypton tried to design miku, len and rin.
but the problem is the marketing, and design. of course,
i'm not sure what it says about the vocaloid community when any male vocaloid or a vocaloid with a non-animeish avatar isn't as successful.
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Sometimes I wonder if Vocamerica is actually just one big meme that overstayed its welcome (cont.)
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Oh and she released the only English Vocaloid most of the fandom cares about years after the hype's already died down. The updates are all behind a paywall though of course. Thank you Aki, very cool.
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Jesus. Not even Len Kagamine has fans with this level of 'shota' obsession.
Though I am curious as to why Piko doesn't get the same level of obsession as the other three boys.>>72894
How is v3xman a degenerate? I actually kinda like his covers.
i thought piko had more shota fans from japan than fukase honestly. i dont even consider fukase a "shota" because his voice doesnt sound ~kawaii uguu~ but more like a teenage boy's. do some anons agree with me on this? kek>>72855
imo besides GUMI's, fukase also has a great eng voicebank
They ALL sound like teenage boys. Fukase, Piko and Len. That's how they're marketed as being. Same with Yohioloid, VY2 and Zola Project.
But it's more disturbing when people sexualize Oliver imo because his voice provider is an actual 13 year old boy and not a man (or woman) voice acting.
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piko seems to have more "woke" fans from the west side and thankfully they're contained in tumblr/vocaloid amino. the likes who'd draw him in a dress and claim he's genderspecial trans uwu
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To be fair, he was intended to give an androgynous/effeminate flair, like the real life PIKO.
But yeah, lately he's gotten the same treatment as vFlower of people assuming he's trans when he's not.
eh, she has her appeals. to me, at least. i think her accent is kinda cute, actually. she's better than len v4 english at least.
i also think it's funny how ghpz tries imitating circus-p but kinda sounds better than him
Of course, GHPZ is a better producer than Circus. He spent more time practicing his craft. Plus, there is a reason he won the MikuExpo concert.
Plus how much time has Circus spent on "hiatus"? Sure Circus has been around for a long time, but he spent at least of that time "quit" or being involved in some sorta drama.
Circus has spent more time on hiatus than many producers entire careers in Vocaloid. Time in the scene does not translate into quality. Many newcomers are much more skilled and more productive than many longtime veterans.
egh its pretty much just a chill and cute song and i like how rin's voice was tuned in it, hence the reason why i kind of found it enjoyable (after a lot of listens lol)
sage for blogpost
I mean does anyone remember old VocaloidOtaku Circus? He deleted and completely purged his YouTube channel at least 3 times. He has always been a mentally unstable attention whore. I saw his bad breakup with Crusher-P a mile away.
Fuck, I have been following some of these Western producers for over a decade. Man some of them are so disappointing. I don't know any of the V1-V2 era Western producers that turned out well. Give me a dozen GHPZs any day.
Holy shit. I haven't been in the Vocaloid Community long enough to see old drama, but…is there any screenshots? Or any recording of his tantrums? Or his fight with Crusher?
Man what does GHPZ see in this dude
said. please provide evidence if you have any because i would love to witness his hissy fits firsthand
RIP. No screenshots, was all VocaloidOtaku drama. Before Twitter drama and Amino drama there was VO drama. It was the #1 hub of bullshit and drama from the western community's early years.
Place closed down after the lead admin had a mental breakdown after he was accused of abusing donations. He used to earn $250/mo in PayPal donations pre-Patreon to cover "server costs" and run a vBulleting message board.
I had a love-hate relationship with the shithole, the people were terrible, but the drama was delicious. There were your usual weeby assholes who knew nothing of music and listed over shota, but it also had a lot of knowledgeable people who actually used the software as well. It was a bittersweet fruit. I still miss the place.
Not only was it 25k users, but it also had a lot of Western producers active in the discussions. The post-closure spin-off, founded by select mods was never the same and was mired by identity politics, clique groups, and no actual producers, just obsessive fans who never touched the software in their life.
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The thing about the admin abusing donations was some lowkey drama for a while. He'd almost totally dropped out of the Vocaloid fandom and just kept hanging onto the site to squeeze money out of it.
The actual last straw was when he decided to sell Alter Ego voicebanks of his OCs, didn't get a license, and fucked over absolutely everyone on the dev team to take 100% of the profit. Site got nuked right afterwards since no one in their right mind would give him money anymore.
Friendly reminder Vocallective Records is still run by this scumbag. He is a leech of the western community and is only in it for money and ego.https://www.vocallective.net/
He sucks up aspiring producers into his "record label" promises them the moon and for that… he publishes their music to BandCamp for them, negotiates bad deals for cheap bundles on Groupies. All while taking a cut of their sales.
From what I can see one of the sources for all these people complaining was this one artist on Twitter who complained the song "wasn't European enough": https://twitter.com/yen_mi1/status/1197156697762127872
But apparently things have spiraled down enough there people are selling their tickets over a song: https://twitter.com/MIKUSAMAREVIEWS/status/1196877094711640066
The language barrier has made it harder looking up some tweets unless those are just some rumors being spread around to stir drama. Wish there's some Spanish-speaking anon here who could provide some milk though.>>73388>yen_mi
lol I see this person is still around copying a bunch of popular Japanese artists. From iXima, Suzunosuke, then now Rella.
So it's twitter overreacting and misinterpreting again. I like the song too and will be dancing and singing with it no matter what but the complaint isn't unreasonable. Most europeans simply aren't used to latin genres outside of Spain. But then again, I fully understand MikuExpo's decision too. They wanted a song that is original, represents a spirit of Vocaloid being international and about the experience of going to the concert, is well tuned and is preferably with several languages mixed in. They didn't state it directly but it was kinda between the lines in their contest page and tweets. And a suprising amount of submissions didn't really explore these criterias.
And I saw that ticket selling tweet you linked too but have yet to see anyone stating that the reason for their selling is because of MikuFiesta. It doesn't make sense either, why would the ones in barcelona sell their tickets? >>73390
Same, pls enlighten us
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I could be VERY wrong, but…is this the same Yen-mi that made some shitty genderless furry UTAU (named 'Bai-F0)?
The girl who sold her tickets is his LDR ex-gf and he was into her when she was a minor. IDK what is up with that because I don't follow but his current gf and his followers were posting clowns in her replies and calling her pelotuda/stupid in spanish and she had to lock her account.
These people act shitty but the north american community as always is unaware of spanish tea and polices opinions bec "Don't like the song? >racist!"
The spanish community has always been a special brand of autistic thought I can't speak for the fans actually in Europe but the Spanish speaking Latin American audience has always been especially dumb.
Spanish speakers don't deserve Voctro Labs. They are a great fucking company, made quality Vocaloid, but left the scene to make video game tools and their own synthesizer after they got almost no support.
The rampant piracy of Bruno and Clara paid with the self entitled attitude of many Spanish speakers was honestly kinda disgusting.
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I'm glad someone mentioned that, it's not okay
honestly if a grown ass adult is into len that's already a red flag for me 'coz of the amount of creeps in this community
a quick google led me to a banned Vocaverse forum account with just two posts, hm
We've been a shit community ever since Lady Gaga had Miku as an opening singer with her shit v3 english back in 2014.
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No, like, for real. Thanks Lady Gaga, skank ruined the community because of this by allowing normie pop fans and regular anime fans and hentai addicts in.
there were even of vocaloid fans complaining about this, and everyone was responding with "it's not just for you anymore".
it can all be traced to this
I would say part of the problem, that lead to this stagnation in the west, is the lack of official support from any Western Vocaloid companies.
PowerFX checked out in 2010 with BIG AL, they outsourced Oliverm Yohio, and Ruby to that dumpster fire of a company run by Anders, VocaTone.
Zero-G has always been schizophrenic about their support for Vocaloid. They tried experimenting with Sonika's design, making that a contest, but in the V3-V4 era, they always tried to keep the greater community at length.
They struggled with character designs removing the fantasy elements from Avanna, and the kemonomimi from Dex and Daina in order to placate their Western distribution partners (BigFishAudio, et. al.) that did not understand the Vocaloid thing and were afraid of weebshit™ alienating serious producers.
Yamaha being Yamaha is way too fucking aloof. CYBER SONGMAN & CyVa V5 are probably one of the best Vocaloid ever produced but they didn't get promoted for shit besides being an addon for V5 Premium, causing them to loose a lot of hype as if they were a stand-alone release.
We don't have our 1st Place, Crypton, or Internet Co, that engage with their community, run official events, continually promote and support their products and characters.
Beyond its final closure in 2018 VO bled a lot of users and the community fractured. 2018 fandom was much more decentralized than the 2010 fandom. Unless you were actively searching for it, F5-ing the tags on Tumblr, Soundcloud, Twitter, etc. it was easy to miss new releases and artists.
VO's decline wasn't a sudden closure, but a long running series of events that ended in its closure. It was on its decline due to mis managment for a long time. At the same time VocaloidOtaku was too big and it strangled every other traditional forum from Vocaloid-User to MikuFan. The only way you could survive with VO hogging all the users was if you made your niche distinctly different, a la UtaForum.
Beyond VO's specific decline, message boards were on a decline as a whole. Don't 'ok boomer' me, I am old but not that old (I do no some boomer Vocaloid producers) but honestly I blame #hashtag culture. Sure you felt closer to your community in a Discord server or Facebook Group, but the conversations seem more ephemeral and if you were looking to learn and actually USE VOCALOID like I was, Discord and Facebook Groups are practically useless.
As for the general decline of Vocaloid in the west I blame an inability to make money within this niche. Because of the age of the audience (young and poor) and the early free (as in beer) culture, the community cultivated, you can't monetize it and producers that are into it have to do so for alternative reasons, mostly ego. If people fail to immediately grab attention, they drop out.
Also, the "decline of vocaloid" is not just a Western problem, I know many people that think the same of Japan as well, where once producers make it big, they stop making Vocaloid music and go on to anime/videogames/other genres, etc. There are some counterarguments to this, I honestly don't believe it, but I have heard many people repeat it.
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Y'all see Magenetra's post about youtube's latest bullshit? People in the comments suggesting that because the bot flagging videos for 'child-directed content' is going to be targeting anything cartoon/animated a lot of vocaloid is going to get flagged. Kinda worried it's going to end up with producers/subbers etc just leaving youtube entirely rather than have to deal with this shit and the only alternatives are like NND or bilibili.
Also heard a tinfoil that this whole thing is because youtube is hoping people will complain enough to overthrow COPPA so youtube can keep making money off of pedo elsagate videos.
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No, Crypton is the one trying to attract minors both in the west and in Japan. The Miku English official twitter account is a fountain of 'how do you do, fellow kids?' cringe and I would pinpoint it (created in 2014) as the shift in the fandom to an even more kiddy one. Accounts like mikumiku_ebooks and all the ebooks meme cancer accounts didn't help. You can't look up Vocaloid tags nowadays without being flooded with 14 year olds photoshopping Len into a leg or some shit. You think Lady Gaga showing Miku once many moons ago to an audience who dgaf about Vocaloid had more impact than a Crypton approved 117k account that tweets childish shit like this?
Maybe children won't spend money but they beg their parents to and once they turn 18 and get part time jobs they have no sense of responsibility and waste their entire paychecks on Miku things instead of saving to move out. You only have to see how people around the ages of 18-21 compete with collecting Miku merchandise to be the biggest Miku fan, something I had never seen in the western fanbase before. Cultivating a fanbase like this can be as profitable as catering to older otaku or producers, or even moreso, because children are never critical of Vocaloid companies and their organized events.
Is there anything sadder than the fact that VO not only protected popular users that turned out to be pedos, but also entirely new users
who are pedos
Well, when VO was alive, there was actual fear that calling out the pedos would kill the entire site. Like other people have mentioned, VO was the only real hub for the western community for the latter part of its existence, and the main admin was only interested in it as long as he could make money. It just so happened that several of the biggest patrons were adult dudes who wanted to keep the site around to sexually harass teenagers. If they were kicked out, their paychecks would go away. Very fucked up dynamic all around.
I can't wrap my head around why they would repeat this on a server that costs $0 to run, where they get absolutely no personal benefit. It's not a good thing to be controlled by pedos you numbnuts.
I love the software but I keep out of the fandom completely. The two biggest groups are young stupid kids who say Miku made Minecraft and pedophiles who try to fuck them but ask anyone else what the problem is and they'll say "people sexualising Miku!!!"
I once saw a callout post about "dangerous pedophile in the Vocaloid community" and all the screenshot was was them saying Miku was there waifu. It wasn't until a few days later when someone ELSE said "they're a pedo because they've said they want to fuck kids" and posted a screenshot of them saying on Facebook that they thought 11 year olds were hot or some shit. Miku being his waifu was MORE important to them than him being actually attracted to real children. The whole thing is totally fucked and a lost cause.
Ortsa was in this Kagamine server I was, and he'd post ~lewd~ shota Len fanart like a horny dipshit all the time. Being a Rinfag and a Lenfag aren't mutually exclusive things.
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Should this kind of shit have a name? I've been thinking "Vocagate" or something along the lines of it.
I'm personally disturbed by this because I was introduced to Vocaloid when I got a copy of Oliver for my 15th birthday a few years back…
I used to think the Vocaloid community was innocent and harmless.
I don't know the name as it was in Japanese but its by Kikuo. It was on his Pixiv but its gone now after the backlash from western children on Twitter.>>73631
It should have a name but unfortunately no one even gives enough of a shit to name it. Unless you're sharing Miku or Len porn you can get away with whatever. The Vocaloid community is dangerous. Even the kids will right threads about you if you dare post a photo of yourself in a Miku cosplay in a lewd pose, but will do absolutely nothing if you are groomed by gangs of pedophiles.
Here's people discussing it in the last thread:>>>/w/64905
The person who made the original callout was like 14 and shouldn't be reading that shit in the first place.You can see other people in the thread talking about having looked it up for themselves.
Well, something needs to be done. We all need to spread the word.
I don't want another Elsagate…
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>>But Miku (and all Vocaloids) are designed to be anything you want them to be, including sexy women.
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whatever this song is going to be about, i'm sure sam will tackle the subject matter in a very nuanced and tactful fashion that won't be influenced by kneejerk twitter politics at all
my GOD, does this leeching asshole do anything other than talk about politics all the fucking time?? i actually prefer akiglancy over this guy. at least she's passionate about what she does
no like seriously, look through his twitter. he retweets leftist news articles ALL the time. get a life dude
I watched his stream.
Let me spoil it for you:
It is a song about school shootings.
passionate but just as bad of a leech. doesnt pay anyone properly and bitches about being broke but buys shit she cant afford
both of them are manipulative cunts either way
As much as I agree that his rants are annoying as fuck. I just can't bring myself to have any preference when it comes to him vs. Aki. Mostly because Aki made a team of animators work for her with VOCAMERICA merch (keychains, some stickers and a shirt) as payment.
I honestly don't even know what's worse, the fact that she did this, or the fact that people accepted it and animated anyway. It's just mesmerizing that she made an entire KickStarter, didn't calculate (considering she calculated anything at all) animators payment in the amount, and thought delivering them bootleg-level merch would do it.
In either cases, it's fucked up how much most of the big name English producers get away with.
the fact that she still does this and people submit to it is disgusting. people think shes an angelic popular and successful western producer that theyre willing to get used if only to get recognition
wake the fuck up. youre all being manipulated into doing shit for free or cheap shit
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A lot of the money went to Adan and Akuo (controversial figures mentioned here >>60390
) Adan made the models and Akuo the textures and a lot of the illustrations.
The theory is she pissed most of money away in merchandise like those Dex/Daina custom plushes and probably in travel and other booth/promotion expenses, considering Vocamerica flew to Europe twice.
I have heard years ago from bts she did not compensate at least some of the producers involved and not sure about the animators but rumors exist they are paid in merchandise instead.
Unfortunately, those about the animators being paid in merch aren't rumors. It was a statement by Aki herself on a YouTube video she's posted years ago while looking for "Emergency Animators" for VOCAMERICA. The video (which was posted in this now defunct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpMpUP-ce90
) has been taken down since then, and I haven't been able to find anyone with a back-up for a re-up. In the video she basically stated animators were going to be paid in merchandising, as "they didn't have enough budget to pay them money for it".
she has yet to deliver those KS stretch goals yet she has the audacity to ask for more money
iirc she's planning to launch another KS for this next year
it's funny and sad like, every now and then she would post her weeb shit haul then later see her e-begging with commissions or patreon
but she had enough money to buy moke, a physical copy of longya, fl studio, materials for multiple cosplays made from scratch, cash for non-vocamerica related cons and all their expenses, and god only knows what else. i should probably mention that aki also e-begged for three hundred dollars so that her sink could be repaired about two years ago. to think she quit her real job to "work on vocamerica full-time" for this is something else.
as for extra vocamerica financial fuckups, for some reason she thought it necessary to buy hundreds of glow sticks to hand out to attendees so it could be like ~a real vocaloid concert desu~, multiple times. she travelled overseas twice for absolutely no reason when she should've focused on domestic audiences first. she spent money on physical cd copies of albums that had almost nothing to do with vocamerica or any of its producers, such as two different robo albums and some furry utau compilation thing that happened to feature dex and daina because sure why not, which were subsequently sold at her tables. basically, anyone who still respects and supports akiglancy at this point is an orbiting retard.
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Lupin really did turn Uoshi into his fanboy slave. This is just getting creepy now.
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I’m actually very surprised WaffleFoxAlpha “P” hasn’t been brought up yet (unless I missed something from the previous thread)
She posted a tutorial about how she traces from 3D models- not just the figure but the shadows and face as well. It wouldn’t have bothered me as much if not for the obligatory “It’s not technically tracing” and praise from the 13 yr olds (she’s 23 btw). She’s done work for some more unknown P’s like, iirc, Quasar.
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ive seen her around and didnt think much of her other than a lumi fan as another anon said. art was never my cup of tea. the lighting is too bright that it hurts to look at
learning that she traces models and getting praise tho. yikes. no thanks
The models aren’t hers, she uses some application named DAZ Studio.
Legally, yes it’s fine. But the tracing of the model down to the generated shadows just makes the art look so wonky- especially when she doesn’t know how to draw hair or folds in clothing properly.
Here’s a link to the tutorial (on amino go figure)http://aminoapps.com/p/us24j2
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never thought i'd see DAZfags anywhere outside of creepy uncanny valley porn on pixiv, let alone someone trying to sell their art to prods in the vocommunity kek
It's basically like those kids who trace gacha studio, but for adults
Sucks cuz I thought it was original art, and I like Lumi
PowerFX vocaloids are usually more expensive than Zero-G vocaloids and they rarely roll out discounts. Also love yourself and buy Cyber Diva instead.
Speaking of Ruby, does anyone remember that claim of Crypton was interested in picking her up?
Some time ago their V2s used to cost $120-ish then had a permanent price down. Oliver used to cost around that too. But I do agree Yohioloid might be expensive due to 1.) 2 vbs (eng/jp), 2.) YOHIO possibly getting a cut as an agreement/licensing. Ruby might have been $100 ever since as an introductory price for V4 (and their only V4).
Not to defend Ruby or anything, I think it's just really PowerFX not caring about Vocaloid anymore and just keeps them up for as long as they could.>>74458
thought the same as well, too convenient for it to bring up during the time Ruby's release was in limbo and if Crypton's really interested wouldn't NDAs be in place?
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expect more gibsmedats in the upcoming months
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^ in reply to someone saying they don’t like her voice on Yunosuke’s new song
I know Jubybooby is kinda old news and we all know she’s fucked but I’m not the only one who sees through that moderator bs, right?
She’s done damage control with her “moderator” multiple times but, god, this was bad. First she claims to use no auto-tune which is bullshit, then continues to self-advertise for no reason? Why is a moderator even on Yunosuke’s video lmao.
Everything she writes makes it sound like she’s applying for a job- I mean have you seen her wiki page? It’s a whole essay about her career (and her 8+ octave range as her moderator stated on one of her videos)
Maybe I’m just nitpicking but the whole act is just super embarrassing, especially when she’s extremely mediocre as a singer. Can she just leave the vocaloid community for good already lol
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she'll probably piggyback on it like this>>74502
this feels like a bot posting
This feels like a bot. It definitely is.
Also her octave range thing is B.S. Remember all her earlier covers where she pitched the song down? And even then, she has trouble hitting high notes.
She clearly cant't hit low notes either, given by her having to pitch up the audio in her cover of Lemon. She can't sing Bass or Baritone, nor Soprano.
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tbf PFX's design of Ruby was ugly as fuck I would've made a campaign to change it too
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doesn't come to me as a surprise. misha's a whole clown. she basically fishes for oppression points like every other sjw. have you seen her twitter bio?
it's like she's about to make a check list for all races under the sun.
for me, it just looks like she uses these as an excuse to post those extremely shitty (and borderline racist) takes she has on every single of the races she usually says she's a part of.
that aside ruby is a mistake in every aspect. the voicebank performs poorly, sample quality is, well, what you would expect from a sub-par mic in a bedroom, and the voice itself sounds bad. literally no one asked for another female vocal with a sinus infection.
Lupin had talked about it on stream. Zero-G was accepting demo reels, they liked how he sounded, they invited him to audition.
Aki was already doing artwork for Zero-G, Avanna's boxart as they wanted someone in the community to do the art. That's how she established a connection to Zero-G. Knowing she had made an UTAU before they had invited her to submit a demo reel.
The "female vocal" was outsourced to VocaTone by PowerFX. Misha had connections to VocaTone staff and got a private invite through those connections. I think Bil Bryant would later regret this one.
All had made UTAU at one point. Being an early adopter to UTAU likely played a part in all of it.
Since in the west, there's a super low chance professional vocalists would make a vocaloid due to it's reputation here(compared to how eastern VA's might go "my vocaloid could be the next Miku*"), they're almost forced to use either random people or people in the fandom already. Companies might think "Well since this person is already well known it might get more sales", and that's how shitty fandom vocals are born.
Kinda hilarious how if a english Vocaloid is voiced by someone in the fandom it's almost always shit. English vocaloids aren't everyone's cup of tea, and Songman and Cyva might be a little nasal at times but at least they weren't recorded on a Yeti in someone's basement
*newer vocaloids almost always fail but this is just an example
I hate the design too, but that doesn't justify her getting her SJW weeb army to push an entire company out of vocaloid because of her racial inferiority complex.
I highly doubt shes all those races. She's pale as fuck.
Man, English Vocaloids are somewhat OK. It's western // american utauloids that suck ass. everything that's made with that godamn program is a cringe weeb fantasy come true.
i still can't comprehend how kikyuune aiko got so popular despite having a nasal mom voice just like daina.
the main problem is that western female utauloids have unappealing voices while male utauloids sound too bland and can't hit high notes
I will never understand how people think UTAU is better than Vocaloid, especially when 90% of western UTAU, japanese or not has a super strong disgusting accent. I once heard a CV from someone that had literal sick sniffling in the samples.
Yamaha might have questionably retarded business practices but V5 isnt bad to the point where singing weeb OC maker sounds anywhere comparable to it. If I wasn't biased against EmVoice I'd say its the worst synth(but even EmVoice has better results than UTAU)
Especially now that people try to make their UTAUs diverse and care even less
about actual vocal quality.
Honestly, it was a mix of being early to the game, regular with releases, and sheer quantity and body of work. Popularity begets popularity after all.
Beyond that Myst and her circle has always been particularly effective in building a personal brand and engaging the community. I am not just talking about her being an admin of UtaForum either, but her efforts in the Overseas-Utafest DA group, and her frequent collaborations with other producers and artists.
I think a key point was the 2013 release "United Together Around UTAU". It was one of the first Western releases to be tabled at the Japanese doujin event Minna no UTAU and was key to exposing many of the featured artists and UTAU to Japanese audiences and mainstream appeal, or as mainstream as you get within this niche.
Collabs, collabs, collabs, and a lot of networking within the niche is the reason Aiko is so popular. Besides United Together I suspect the breakout hit of Bi☣hazard was a major part of it, it was the first of Crusher-P's "killer hook, drop the damn bass already" hit parade and it was a breakout hit in Japan. I think Aiko is the only western UTAU I know of to get an EXIT TUNES release.
There are better western UTAU definitely, Cz-loid is a love of mine, but no other Western UTAU makers has worked harder in the niche, put themselves out there more, and has done a good of a job self-promoting as Myst & Kiikyune Aiko have. Her current notoriety is built on literally a decade of work.
Are there actually people who think UTAU is better than Vocaloid that is like… order than 13?
Any competent UTAU user who has used both clearly understand's UTAU's limitation. Its accessibility problems, its lack of dictionary, and all the various hacks you gotta do to make things sound decent.
It certainly has its own advantages, you can create your own without having to trade sexual favors with Anders Sodergren for example, you can add additional samples to emulate your native language and new phonemes, it is free/shareware, etc. etc.
But I don't think anyone who didn't have their head up their own ass would say UTAU>Vocaloid, especially if they ever used Vocaloid 5 Editor.
On that note, I can't take any Vocaloid producer seriously that is NOT using Vocaloid 5 Editor. Looking at you Lupin, he said on stream he doesn't buy Vocaloid 5 because he doesn't really like Vocaloid. WTF dude why you even a producer and keep milking this community if you don't even goddamn like Vocaloid.
Is there any way at all to make in in the UTAU community in 2019-2020? asking this because I've been interested in the community myself for a long time (yes i'm a cringe weeb) and i've just thought about doing it for fun.
Of course, i want to put effort into it.
quantity ≠ quality
admit it. her voice sucks
SynthV too, but according to what I heard the EmVoice devs did the same shit
Man, why are all independent synths ran by UTAUfags
I love Luka but yeah, the account holder seems extremely patheric. They remind me of those fandom callout tumblr users who hate everything that is even slightly ""problematic
""(read:not 100% morally right mary sues or villians) or everything that isn't about their chosen self-insert.
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Kek, nevermind. It seems like that account is run by one of her jap. neckbeards who jumped on the drama because he is angry there isn't enough posts on her patreon.
synthV dev used to work on a miku knockoff vocal synth and pitchforks were raised after people found out it was a blatant reverse engineer of Vocaloid. The fandom was quick to demonize him until he came back developing moresampler, in which the utaufags quickly worshipped him for. Eventually he announced he was working on a new synth (which will become Synthesizer V) and I sure do remember utaufags getting their hopes up thinking it's their meal ticket of having their singing OCs on a different engine.>>74821
The funny part about this is the voice provider for Emvoice Lucy is the same VP for CZloid. I remember CZ being salty at SynthV dev for making his own English recording list. There's something funny about CZ being adamant about their precious English UTAU list only to jump ship to Emvoice later.
generally, i ignore/mute these ebooks account as some of them are run by children. kids are dumb and it's not the end of the world.
though the mikubooks and len cfm accounts are next level autism. the mikubooks mod is a creepy troon and whoever's running the len cfm account is an insufferable orbiter
anyway which anon retard cowtipped that luka account, now we'll have more newfags shitting up the thread
Where'd you get that info about the VP of Lucy being the same one as CZloid? Only got results leading back to this thread when I tried searching for that.
It's a shame the emvoice devs are retarded because I actually liked Lucy's voice bank, and they were onto something with choosing to use casual pronunciation as default. But $200 for a half-broken plugin? No thanks.
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back when emvoice used to call itself soho
It's also equally silly to suggest she really does have an 8 octave range.
I take back my original statement, She's Soprano. The only instance of her singing Tenor is when she covers Kagamine Len songs (and even then, they're not that low. While Len is a tenor range vocaloid, his VP is a woman.)
Rachie and Kuraiinu on the other hand actually have impressive ranges.