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No. 71172

Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCero
https://twitter.com/TheBlackCero
https://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/
>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites
>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos, when, in fact, for the most part they were not
>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior"
>cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go
>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts
>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bEST
GHOST
>used garageband for a majority of their music
>knows nothing about music theory
>""""nonbinary""""
>had a music series but discontinued it because "i am depressed"
>horrible tumblr art
>"bendi and the ink machine ees good game
>tRIGGER WARNINGS bECause i have mental illnesses and you do too
https://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALS
https://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/
https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
UmbraticForest
>not very milky, just shitty voice, shitty art, and shitty translyrics
https://twitter.com/UmbraticForest?lang=en
https://umbraticforest.deviantart.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrjEDps2C_OPSDOyfz_fpvQ
https://www.instagram.com/monstre__charmant/
Creep-P
>terrible fucking music
>keeps shilling his album
>obsessive fanbase of edgy children
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCreepyPie/featured?disable_polymer=1
http://music.itseyeris.com/
https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie

No. 71174

Previous Thread: >>12305

Sorry for the lazy copy-paste OP, but I feel like with the two soon ending MikuExpo contests there is drama incoming.

No. 71178

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ5k-jf-8fzMGnpEy27X4DQ/videos

I read where it said she deleted her youtube. this is another youtube which i really think is her. im not a fan enough to be sure . i linked the videos because the main pages autoplays a video.

No. 71210

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just a summary of the more recent hazuki/cero stuff. Disclaimer: don't have receipts for most of it, and didn't see the 'apology' video before it was taken down

>2018, Cero starts uploading translations on his channel.

>After a while the videos start including both cero's logo and hazuki's hidden in them, usually pretty faintly but it's still obvious the two are still working together on translations/subs
>Meanwhile, a lot of different channels have been reuploading hazuki's old translations. Links to a large archive of videos are posted on reddit

Things seem calm for a while, with Hazuki & Cero translating a range of songs from big producers like DECO*27 to lesser known ones

Then, earlier this month, Kaja released Unclosed Human, a wowaka tribute song that was a collab between a number of producers including cillia

>Hazuki & Cero sub and reupload the song on Cero's channel and are called out for it, hard, for reuploading without asking Kaja's permission

>They make a community post on youtube that's half an apology, half trying to justify themselves by pointing out issues with youtube's captioning system e.g. a lot of producers don't enable it, accuracy of translations because anyone can upload, etc
>(I think they also took the video down before this, not 100% though)
>Mostly negative response from the community
>Then they did a livestream titled "An Apology" where:

"They made a short speech about how it was unethical to translate/reprint without permission.

-They noted that they had never asked for permission for any of the videos on their channel, but now understood it was unacceptable…

-…And therefore they would be deleting all of their videos during the livestream." (taken from the reddit post)

Cero's channel, and all the videos on it, were deleted. Seems like a few of the channels that had been reuploading old hazuki translations have had their videos deleted or deleted them themselves in response to hazuki's blog post.

On the 14th, Hazuki posted the following statement on her blog:
"This blog is permanently inactive.
Please refrain from reuploading any video featuring my translations.
Please do not put my translations on any uploads, closed captions, wikis, etc.
Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated.
Thank you."

All previous translations have been deleted from the blog, and she later added to the message:
"Postscript: It has come to my attention that there may be some comprehension problem regarding my statement above.
To clarify, by “Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated,” I mean that I would like all past uses of my translations to be removed.
This includes subbed videos, closed captions, wikis, etc.
Any use of my translations should be considered unauthorized and an infringement of copyright."
https://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/

If anyone has other sources/actually saw the video please add to this. sorry for messiness, not posted here before

No. 71479

>>71210
>(I think they also took the video down before this, not 100% though)
They did take it down around 12+ hours before making that community post.

No. 71739

so is no one else going to talk about how sam made a whole goddamn song, "let's get wild", where it's a duet with him and his vocaloid aka he's just singing with himself. i knew he was pathetic but this is a new low. it screams "LOOK AT ME I DID THIS THING THIS IS ME THIS IS MY VERY OWN VOCALOID AND I'M SINGING WITH IT PLEASE CLAP".

No. 71758

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>>71739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF-ZQI9UrpY

vocaloid voicers singing with their vocaloids isn't new, what's your point?

No. 71770

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>>71758

my point is that it's pathetic for someone to have a copy of their own vocaloid and constantly use it for their music. it's fishing for attention because you're clearly trying to get people to care based off of the one slightly interesting thing you accomplished so they'll post brainlet comments like "omg u totally sound like dex i can't even tell the difference ur so gud wow my wigggggg" on an otherwise mediocre edm track. the duet isn't the problem. fixating upon your status as a voice provider is

No. 71786

>>71770
He was probably given a copy since he provided the vocals? It's not like he went out and bought it. Yeah it's an attention grab but how else is he supposed to advertise dex/himself? At least he actually wrote a song for it instead of just doing a bad cover of a popular song like most people who think they'll get famous with a shitty utauloid of their own voice.

>mediocre edm track

You mean like 99% of songs by western producers?

No. 71787

>>71786
Lmao if the Vocaloid was actually good you wouldn't need the voice provider to use it in order to get people to care. Its quality should be self-explanatory by the content other people make. Don't remember anyone else pulling this except Aki, Kenji, and Misha, and coincidentally they voiced three of the worst Engloids we got in a long time.

No. 71805

Nta but its truly sad how boring and soulless Vocaloid music has become, i always try to give producers a chance but everything sounds so uninspired, "oh your tuning is awesome, X sounds so good!!!" and so? the music is absolute shit, wtf cares about "good tunning" if your song sounds lifeless.

No. 71807

>>71805
also im aware Ghost isn't the best songwriter but sometimes she creates some interesting melodies…but this one was genuinely disappointing, if she was going to get so lazy she rather not release this shit, such a forgettable song.

No. 71808

>>71805
they're all so fucking same-y as well. whether it's ghost or creep-p every song is just gore/horror/abusive relationship. they're both in their 20s, just fucking go to therapy already and stop pandering to 3edgy5u teens

I like ferry just because she actually has a series with lore going on, and her songs don't all sound the same.

No. 71838

>>71808
Ferry is fine, but it's sad that one of the only tolerable western producers sucks at music production. Her mixing has gotten a bit better, but it still comes across as amateurish.
She'll probably improve with time, but it fucking sucks that the only people in the community who know sound design choose to make the most uninspired EDM/muh trauma shit.

No. 71853

>>71805
That's because you're only clicking on what gets recommended to you instead of actively searching for new stuff on various sources. I'm really sick and tired of that "hurrr vocaloid is shit now muh nostalgia" "durrr vocaloid is dying" nonsense. Stop being lazy, there a tons of good new producers and great new stuff from older producers. The way it's distributed is just too contraproductive now.

No. 71861

>>71807

what does it matter when her brainlet middle schooler fanbase will eat up everything she releases no matter how bad or uninspired or forced it is. that's why she has no interest in actually pushing herself to improve or do anything significantly different; why care when all your feedback is going to be overwhelmingly positive anyways?

>>71853

you've got the right idea, cheers

No. 71883

>>71853
That only applies to Japanese producers/community outside some really few exceptions lmao, you are fucking delusional if you think there's talent/something interesting in the western community nowadays.

No. 71886

>>71883

not exactly easy to find talented new japanese producers when one of the most active subbers likes to throw shitfits and insist everything they've ever translated is "tainted" and must be nuked from the internet.

Forgetfulsubs was about the best other one but they went on health hiatus almost a year ago and hasn't said anything since, and most the other subbers mentioned in the previous thread who aren't google translate level only upload one or two videos a year

No. 71892

>>71807
oh boy ghost, i checked out housewife radio from them recently because i thought it might be interesting since i've never seen 1950's aesthetic in a vocaloid video before. music could have been catchy if they worked on it more, lyrics are bad and gumi sounds like shit even tho her english is really good.

not connected but are there any western producers you guys would recommend? i mostly listen to japanese producers and a few old english songs.

No. 71898

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so aki is charging forty dollars for an ugly gremlin chibi doodle because she needs money but she also has enough money to attend a four day, out of state con in atlanta with three different homemade cosplays. $28k where

No. 71904

>>71892
The best producers i have heard have been spanish/latin for some reason. There's this guy called YZYX, he's really good (i could mention more producers but i don't remember most of them since their peak was like 5 years ago). There's Quasar-P, their production is awesome but vocals are sad.

No. 71905

>>71904
forgot video lol

No. 71907

>>71892
Steampianist (if edgy shit is your cup of tea)
AdyS
Beau Jordan
LesManga Musique (more on remixes tho)
ODDEEO

how about those?

No. 71920

>>71892
Marvin Valentin and Lauren Estes are pretty good

No. 71956

>>71892

Quite a bit of SoundCloud users are actually pretty good if you're willing to dig. Not sure what style you're aiming to listen for but I can give several recommendations.

No. 71963

>>71905
listened to the song you linked and its a bit too generic edm for me. quasar-p's music wasn't bad but there's definitely room for improvement in the vocals as you said.
>>71907
i don't mind edgy shit every now and then, (bacterial contamination is pretty fun) but steampianist's stuff really isn't my thing.
i really like AdyS's more rocky sound, but the singing is pretty bad, in "Can't stop the world from spinning" the music just straight up overpowers the singing.
really enjoying Beau Jordan's more chill music, thrive reminds me of another song, but i cant put my figure on what.
on LesManga Musique, i'm not really into this kinda meme music but that madeon and porter robinson mashup is great.
"Mine" from ODDEEO could have been something i liked but i felt the vocals didn't work really well with it.
>>71920
checking out Marvin Valentin and "Gifted Child" gave kind of a bad impression at first cus it felt flat to me, but "Starburst" is actually pretty good but they need to work on the vocals.
from Lauren Estes "Beyond the Veil" started out fun but the singing quickly ruined it, though i've heard that dex and daina are kinda low quality vocaloids. their other stuff was a bit slow for me.
>>71956
yea i should prolly have started with that lol. i'm into metal/rock stuff, listening to a lot of utsu-p and maretu right now, but i also like a more electronic or pop-y sound like deco*27.

No. 71982

>>71963

If you like metal/industrial I suggest Derek Spear and Bakeneko. Dasu has really good dubstep songs that hit hard, but it's in Tagalog (the language of the Philippines). There's also Uta Yamato if you're more into ballad rock and Shius - which is kinda a mixed bag? Depends if you like rapcore. Look them up and see which you like the best.

No. 72018

I found a western producer called Polycerate Majesty hoping his music would maybe be decent but that quickly went out the window. God my ears are bleeding

No. 72029

>>71758
the difference is its not very often. chika and her voicer did it for one time. arsloid and his voicer did it on stage and so did seeu. sachikos voicer even made a cover and meika voicer made an original but thats the thing. they dont do it constantly and as an obvious ploy for attention because they dont even need it. all of these other voicers are already famous or well known that they dont even need a vocaloid to boost that. sometimes the things they do dont even boost the popularity of the vocaloid anyways cuz chika and arsloid are still unpopular as shit regardless.

aki, kenji, and misha are all nobodies in comparison to all of the other vocaloid voicers. the only clout they fish for comes from the vocaloid fandom and anyone willing to suck up to them. theyre all shitty people who unfortunately got vocaloids and equally shitty ones at that. the easiest way to keep clowning around for attention is to keep using their own vocaloids and promote them as good vocals even tho we all know the three are garbage. or if youre aki, scam people for money, get people to do shit for you for ugly ass keychains, pander to other languages cuz youre weeb trash, and praise shota baby panties

>>71786
dex doesnt need the advertisement. character itself is the least shitty of the three worst engloids. people consider using him unlike daina and ruby. kenji himself is a desperate manchild who manipulates others into doing free fanart and doing everything he could to try to stay "relevant", including doing a "voice provider edition" of "Honey I'm Home" that nobody asked for.

>>71787
this entirely

No. 72030

>>71739
"uwu im a wolf, my vocaloids a wolf, my utaus a wolf, and my song is about wolves awoooo"

No. 72047

>>72030

that's it that's literally the whole song. you can just read this post and get the idea without listening to four minutes of bland ass edm

No. 72071

theres this new big al anniversary album thats coming out and circus, aki, and kenji in it. aki used daina in hers and kenji used dex in his. that japanese artist whos been doing free fanart for kenji did the art track for kenjis song. good job converting your fanboy into a brainwashed slave. we all know he didnt find any of your shitty songs on his own. you force fed them to him on twitter cuz youre desperate for attention and want dex to be loved so badly that you could never settle for people who already liked him. filthy cunt

does anyone else feel like what aki and kenji are doing for the album is in bad taste? they literally cant make a song only for al, the character the album is dedicated to. is it necessary to shove in your own shitty characters in an album that has nothing to do with them? it could have been any other vocaloid top but they choose their own just because its theirs. fucking retarded

No. 72091

>>72071
yeah, that's incredibly dumb. it's literally a fucking tribute album, how is shilling their own shitty vocals a 'tribute'? if it was at least a duet it would be slightly less shitty but they're not even bothering to pretend to actually care about the point of the album

No. 72095

>>72071
wow i know nothing about these aki and kenji characters but the organizers seriously will allow them to not use the fucking vocaloid that the album is about?

No. 72105

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>>72071

it's in very bad taste and, like with everything else they do, is a clear attempt at forced relevance. as for what >>72095 said, the people organizing the big alliance album either allowed it because either "oh em gee how could i say no to real life voice providers" or sam and aki twisted their arms into doing it. knowing how sam is having uoshi pump out dex fanart while still policing what people say about dex and daina three years after they've been released, i think we can guess which one it was at this point

No. 72116

>>72091
>>72095

kenji's might have been a duet with al and dex considering that uoshi's track art had both of them in it. iirc aki's uses daina as harmonies and al as the main vocals? point is its fine if there are vocals in the album that arent just the vocaloid its dedicated to as long as the subject gets the main vocals. thats been done in plenty of albums. but thats the tea: they use their own vocaloids and not any other engloid. its just shit shilling and self promoting. imho it would have been nicer to use another pfxloid but instead its dex and daina because its kenji and aki.

>>72105
classic grown ass man acting extremely childish. its been three years. this isnt fucking utau. its a paid product. people have a right to be dissatisfied for what they paid for. grow the fuck up

No. 72126

>>72116
It would've been pretty cute if they used another PFXloid as like a family thing. They could've used that to their advantage as a gimmick instead of hurrdurr this me Vocaloid but of course they had to be ginormous speds about it.

>>72116
It's gotta be an insecurity thing. If he was actually confident about Dex and Daina he wouldn't be doing all this autistic screeching every time someone said something mean about them. Damn. At seventy dollars each they're the most expensive Vocaloids in Zero-G's library. Get over yourself.

No. 72142

>>72126
thats just it isnt it? dex and daina are nothing to be confident about. they along with ruby are complete shit. dont forget that the pair have wookie noises for growl and somehow zero-g and yamaha allowed that.

its so funny how almost 4 years ago since dex and daina released that kenji claimed that people were entitled to their own opinion and whatever and was fine with the criticisms as long as theyre valid. now hes a hypocrite. all he does is cry and whine and screech every time someone says something against dex and daina and sometimes its real criticism and nothing mean. he just doesnt like to hear how flawed they are and made himself the official police. if youre going to be this butthurt stick to fucking utau because a lot of those fans are just as annoying and butthurt

i know misha and syo does the same shit with ruby too but misha is also an entitled bitch who doesnt give a fuck about what retarded things she says. ruby is crowned worst vocaloid so it doesnt even matter in the end. for kenji and aki, they just keep fucking themselves up and whore for attention and use people

even for the three worst trio, dex is the most popular of them. even though he has problems people like him for other reasons. for kenji thats not enough. he has to rub dex shit all over and manipulate people to do it. its beyond pathetic

No. 72143

the albums have potential to tap into new and upcoming musicians and artists but then you have circus, aki, and kenji existing in there too just to overshadow everyone else. maybe the other producers dont feel that way because they feel honored theyre in the same album with "popular western producers" but behold: those three are gross anyways. considered buying the album myself, but with those three in there, no thanks. not interested in boring and bland shit, especially from producers who dont really seem to care.

No. 72144

>>72143

just listened to the album crossfade on twitter and it sounds like it has some promising talent in it. too bad it's probably going to be ignored in favor of two insecure dipshits and a burnt-out soyboy.

No. 72202

>>72105
Daina just sounds bad. I dunno how anyone can justify it beyond 'feels'.

Her delivery is inconsistent. Kenji frames it as a strength as it makes her sound more "dynamic", fuck that. If I wanted my Vocaloid to sound dynamic I would tune it so. KenjiB says its because their director told them to deliver with "power" but that doesn't change that Aki didn't have enough vocal training to deliver it consistently. It doesn't matter if its Aki or the director's fault, it makes Daina sound bad.

Her gear was garbage. Who the fuck thought recording on a Blue Yeti was a good idea? You don't need the extra pickup patterns, its diaphragm is fucking tiny, and the mic has no dynamic range. You want to know why Daina has no low end, Blue Yeti can't record below 50Hz, is -5db at 100hz, and doesn't reach 0db till 200hz.

The eternal problem with many Engloids is Zero-G cheaped out on recording once again, rather than renting a studio they had each voice provider use their home studios and quality varied wildly. Its not quite Sonika's webcame mic quality, or Oliver's I can hear the Computer Fan quality, but it was still pretty bad.

The only compliment I can give is at least Dex sounds okay. I actually like Dex. He is no Big Al, but he is passable enough.

Long live The BIG ALiance. As a western fan I preordered it anyways because there are more artists than Kenji and Aki on it.

No. 72304

>>71892
Here, Cilia finally made her own song so now you guys can stop saying there are no good Western producers.

No. 72306

>>71892
I think the problem is it doesn't fit Gumi's range well. She, Meiko and Rin are all Alto range (lower female) and those notes in the song are ungodly high

No. 72311

>>72304
I liked it. Nice to see Meika Mikoto getting some more use. Lyrics were a bit too close to ghost/creep-p etc "muh trauma" shit but I guess that's pretty common even with japanese producers.

"here's a reference sheet in case anyone wants to draw fanart~" seemed a bit much though.

No. 72312

>>72306
true, i exactly like gumi because of her bit more on the lower end voice. though rin goes pretty high most of the time, is she really alto?

No. 72333

>>72312
in a lot of her songs she sings in a clam, lower range (and has a general tomboy-ish masculine voice, albeit high-pitched.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeBmERz6BY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFfeTIWWco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUDbAe4UZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-6QPEes1k

now, this isn't to say she idn't strictly an alto, but she CAN sing low notes a lot better than say miku.

len is obviously a tenor, although his v4x can go much lower than his previous vbs.

No. 72335

>>72304

The song isnt bad, but now every producer decides to crawl into her ass and kiss it, even likes as Creep who soley rely on collaborating with other artists to get popular. Am scared Cillia will start thinking too highly of herself around shit producers like crypt who obvi think theyre some sassy queen of drama n shit

No. 72341

>>72335

that's what i was thinking. all you need to get popular on this side of the fandom is to do the bare minimum, and sometimes even that isn't necessary if eyeris is any indication. success isn't always the hallmark of quality here.

No. 72367

>>72304
>Now you guys can stop saying there are no good Western producers.
Obviously there are some good western producers out there but they're definitely rare and almost nonexistent, also Cillia making a song doesn't redeem the rest of the western community, she's an exception (this song is imo very generic and boring).

No. 72384

>>72367
besides isn't she pandering more to the JP side anyway. would she even want to associate herself to the western fandom lol

No. 72447

>>72384
Yea she does but cillianis a big deal in the western fandom bc thru her, anyone who collabs probably with her would be able to shill their music to a japanese audience

Like thats why i think creep should finally just drop his act and admit hes just out to shill his music. He doesnt do shit by himself anymore,
tunings done by his friends, same with pvs, and probably tries to kiss his ass through The guy who masters all vocaloid tracks bc his mixingnis trash as well

No. 72533

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Am I the only one here who kinda feels like Circus-P's music has gotten kinda bland over the years? As well as his general aesthetic?

I dunno, his newer stuff sounds like generic american pop songs.

What happened that made him change style? Whenever I look at his newer stuff I have a hard time believing it's the same dude who wrote Circus Monster, iNSaNiTY and mErcy all while he was a teenager.

But as an adult all he can make is bland pop music…

No. 72555

>>72533
i didn't even like circus monster and never checked their other stuff so they were just bad to begin with for me.

No. 72578

>>72533
His stuff has never sounded stellar for me. I never understood what was so special about his works, even back then, they've always sounded either bland or extremely cheap to my ears.

From what I can see, nowadays he makes the safest possible releases, since he's aware that he's got a large enough fanbase to support whatever works he puts out. Probably doesn't feel like coming out from his creative safe space with stuff that may end up diminishing his income.

No. 72582

>>72533
If you think his older stuff was better, you're being blinded by nostalgia. The quality has gotten better but his stuff just doesn't have catchy melodies and the tuning sounds off tune as fuck.

No. 72588

>>72578
Or maybe he's just lazy and sloppy.

If you think he's stepped away from edgy stuff or whatever for the sake of his large fanbase, look at creep-p and ghost.

Also what the fuck even is his icon?

No. 72589

I get this is about the western fandom but I cannot get why people like Drop Pop Candy. Boring ass melody, super bland.

No. 72604

>>72588

edgy circus monster bishounen boy to distract from the fact that he's probably another white, overweight loser weeb that no one would approach in real life

>>72533

he was never a stellar producer to begin with, but at least his earlier songs had a distinct style and personality that set him apart. these days it just all blends together, not only within his own body of work, but with what everyone else is doing too. he seriously doesn't have any passion for what he does anymore and it shows

No. 72605

>>72604
these days it just all blends together, not only within his own body of work, but with what everyone else is doing too. he seriously doesn't have any passion for what he does anymore and it shows

no passion is fucking right. once people hit the "popular" tier, they dont have to give a shit about what they produce anymore. its all for money and attention and they know their fans would take it anyways.

No. 72607

>>72588
Not exactly what I meant. I don't think he stepped away from edgy stuff for the sake of his fanbase, but rather he just goes the safest and easiest route to keep himself there. He basically produces things that will keep him a (or any) fanbase, no afterthought on what he produces or anything; as long as it resembles music it'll be enough to count as content, which will give him the income he needs to keep himself afloat. In the end it all sounds bland and similar since he doesn't really care (or at least it looks like he doesn't) about what he's putting out, he's just doing so for the sake of doing so, no passion or anything involved.

But yeah, his icon looks awful.

No. 72617

>>72607
Jesus, never thought about it before.

But now I feel bad for him. When he was a teenager, he sought after making music as an enjoyment, and it even shows in his illustrations. He used the vocaloids with much more character, not just blank states to sing for him.

Now, he's doing this for the purpose of surviving and meeting ends. He never talks about his personal life on twitter, but I can imagine he's been going through a depression for a few years now. And music was his coping mechanism.

Maybe I am just looking too far into this. It's my own thoughts.

No. 72638

>>72617

matt is definitely burnt out at the least, which is pretty hellish by itself. the western vocaloid community is probably the worst place for someone in that state to be in because it demands regular content while also not giving a shit about the actual quality of that content. it makes the producer miserable while still reaffirming them that even if they're tired, it doesn't matter if that reflects in their songs since their fanbase won't care either way

No. 72664

>>72638
So what exactly made the vocaloid community like this?

Because I know that the western side wasn't like this not even a few years back.

No. 72669

>>72664
I mean, a lot of people will say that vocaloid has been losing momentum for years and I don't think that's inaccurate. Just look at Sand Planet
>Written for Miku's 10th birthday celebration
>song is literally just about how the creator feels vocaloid has become a desert

In Japan it seems like this has to do with producers establishing themselves through vocaloid and then moving on to have a music career without it. In the west I guess you get the opposite, people like Circus-P clinging on to vocaloid despite clearly being burnt out and no longer inspired to make music.

No. 72677

Everyone who complained ITT, get into vocaloid and do it better. And I don't even mean that in a provocative tone, I'd love to hear what anons could do.

No. 72678

>>72669
Hachi as a hack and doesn't deserve your mention. He was also more talking about the state of NND, but still.

No. 72681

>>72678
Hachi isn't a hack, but all the edgy western producers who owe half of their career to Matryoshka and now hate him because of Sand Planet definitely are

No. 72687

>>72678

>hachi is a hack


please elaborate for me

No. 72695

>>72681
It's not just edgy producers, japanese fans dislike him for it too.

>>72687
He got attention due to the overwhelming support of his vocaloid fans in the first place. Now that he had success outside of it and made his 400mil yt views, he finally blessed us filthy mortals with one song after years of absence that was commissioned to be a celebration for miku and all he does is shit all over not only the community, but also every new producer and displays himself as some kind of leader. If he wanted to show his displeasure with the current state there could have been a million ways to do it better while also showing your gratitude but he did it in the most rude and useless way. Hell I loved Official Orange but I can't help but feel the bitter aftertaste after reading his interview and seeing his self-cover of sandplanet. He's extremely full of himself, esp in contrast to Wowaks's take.

No. 72709

>>72695
I'm pretty sure people just use Hachi as a scapegoat bc he's extremely visible and popular. A lot of oldschool Japanese fans feel the same as him. No one gave cosMo this much shit for writing The Real Disappearance of Hatsune Miku.

No. 72732

>>72695
Wowaka literally left vocaloid in 2011 because he was (rightfully) upset that people associated his songs with Miku and not him as a creator. If you're trying to say Unknown Mother Goose was wowaka's "take" on the current state of vocaloid and not about his own experiences with vocaloid/music in general then I think you're wrong, but I don't wanna sperg about lyric interpretation.

No. 72816

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>>72202
>Sonika's webcame mic quality
>Oliver's I can hear the Computer Fan quality
Wait what? Am I the only one here who actually likes Sonika and Oliver? (oliver more so because i own him)

No. 72828

>>72816
used to like Oliver a lot when I was new, now I don't even want to do anything with him. I can't even draw fanart or use him for covers because it attracts creepy spergs

There's a creepy neckbeard pedo in the community that pays people to use Oliver in suggestive covers + paying cosplayers to dress up like him in a questionable way.

No. 72840

>>72816
You can like Oliver and recognize he doesn't have good quality recordings. Some of baggagelizard's Oliver originals are among my favorite Western tracks.

There is low frequency noise and buzz in almost all his samples. Either he was recorded on a 'noisy' mic, he wasn't recorded using balanced audio equipment, or they captured background audio AC fan, computer, fan or something.

There is definitely something wrong with Oliver's samples, beyond just the untrained vocalist behind the mic.

Sonika though, besides some really good fanart/cosplay has no redeeming value. I can think of exactly 2 original songs with her that were any good, that wasn't a duet with a better Vocaloid.

No. 72846

>>72816
>>72840
sonika always felt like a knock off gumi to me design wise, and her voice isn't that distinct from her either.

No. 72854

>>72846
I think Sonika looking like Gumi was a coincidence, what the devs really wanted was a western equivalent to Miku. Obviously, that one didn't pan out.

Tbh, every single Engloid dev team since Miku has been a struggle between weebs with no technical proficiency and software engineers that have no idea how to market to Vocaloid fans. It's why basically every launch is fucked for one reason or another

No. 72855

>>72840
Momocashew has some good Oliver originals too. He still seems like a low quality Vocaloid though, but I guess all Engloids are. Am I the only one who thinks the best “Engloid” is GUMI English?

No. 72863

>>72855
yea, english gumi's voicebank is great. i get pretty sad every time i see western producers managing to fuck up using her.

No. 72867

>>72855
English Miku wouldn't be bad if people realized she isn't the same as JP Miku. She sounds different, needs to be tuned differently, and people using her are using her for all the wrong reasons.

Besides The Kenji being an asshat his Vocaloid Dex actually sounds okay, Avanna is a bit soft but passable, Ruby has a shit design but doesn't sound bad. Sweet Ann was one of the better V2s. LEON, LOLA, MIRIAM are dated but weren't bad for the time.

Cyber Diva & Cyber Songman are fucking awesome in Vocaloid 5 and are a fucking steal if you get V5 Premium, especially with the upgrade pricing.

The rest? Big Al is a good meme. The rest are garbage.

No. 72882

>>72828
Think I know who you're talking about. TheOliverManiac? Or is there another creepy neckbeard pedo that's obsessed with Oliver?

No. 72883

>>72867
Diva and Songman ARE fucking awesome. I love Diva's cutesy-yet-mature idol voice, and Songman sounds amazing as well (though some attention to him is purely because he's one of the only black vocaloids.)

and their designs are cool to me. I love the futuristic aesthetic, it's reminiscent of how crypton tried to design miku, len and rin.

but the problem is the marketing, and design. of course,

i'm not sure what it says about the vocaloid community when any male vocaloid or a vocaloid with a non-animeish avatar isn't as successful.

No. 72884

>>72863
sage for somewhat off topic but I thought it was kinda cool how Police Piccadilly used Gumi's english voicebank for their latest song even though it's in japanese. Ik they're probably not the first to do something like that but it sounds pretty good and it's definitely unusual/rare

No. 72886

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Sometimes I wonder if Vocamerica is actually just one big meme that overstayed its welcome (cont.)

No. 72887

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No. 72888

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>>72887
Oh and she released the only English Vocaloid most of the fandom cares about years after the hype's already died down. The updates are all behind a paywall though of course. Thank you Aki, very cool.

No. 72894

>>72882
Yeah it's him. It was a rabbit hole when I found out who was commissioning v3xman (a cover channel) with these Oliver covers. v3xman seems like a degenerate himself so I guess they just click.

No. 72896

>>72882
Thought he might've been the same person as TheOliverAddict, but I guess not. Apparently TheOliverManiac hits on 3D minors too.
https://askthecinnamonrolls.tumblr.com/post/156960965154/ive-been-retaining-this-for-months

No. 72899

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>>72896
Jesus. Not even Len Kagamine has fans with this level of 'shota' obsession.

Though I am curious as to why Piko doesn't get the same level of obsession as the other three boys.

>>72894
How is v3xman a degenerate? I actually kinda like his covers.

No. 72908

>>72896

i'm friends with the guy who runs that blog and he would tell me about some of the weird shit that maniac said and did while it was happening. this was years ago and i'm tired as fuq so i can't remember everything, but the two things that stick out are how he would always bug the blog owner to draw really suggestive oliver fanart and ask him to have his actual copy of oliver make moaning noises. i was actually the one who took those evidence screencaps in the post because i wanted to help him get the word out about that fucking creep, so it's good to know some people saw it

No. 72928

>>72899
i thought piko had more shota fans from japan than fukase honestly. i dont even consider fukase a "shota" because his voice doesnt sound ~kawaii uguu~ but more like a teenage boy's. do some anons agree with me on this? kek

>>72855
imo besides GUMI's, fukase also has a great eng voicebank

No. 72935

>>72928
They ALL sound like teenage boys. Fukase, Piko and Len. That's how they're marketed as being. Same with Yohioloid, VY2 and Zola Project.

But it's more disturbing when people sexualize Oliver imo because his voice provider is an actual 13 year old boy and not a man (or woman) voice acting.

No. 72960

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>>72928
piko seems to have more "woke" fans from the west side and thankfully they're contained in tumblr/vocaloid amino. the likes who'd draw him in a dress and claim he's genderspecial trans uwu

No. 72982

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>>72960
To be fair, he was intended to give an androgynous/effeminate flair, like the real life PIKO.

But yeah, lately he's gotten the same treatment as vFlower of people assuming he's trans when he's not.

No. 73005

>>72982
>assuming theyre trans

Why must tumblrinas ruin everything?

No. 73009

>>72982
the vflower mess pisses me off tbh. Even if you want to be all tumblr about it amd cling to the "androgynous voice" thing despite her gender being officially stated, why would you jump to "must be a trans woman!!1!" and not just go with gender neutral/nonbinary or whatever. Oh wait, it's because if tumblrinas don't make every female character trans they can't draw their fujoshit.

No. 73012

>>73009
It's not even the fujoshi this time. Vocaloid community legit has been infiltrated by actually trannies for a while now. See miku ebooks or whatever for an example.

No. 73023

>>72982
oh boy, i really like flower's tomboyish design, but it's so annoying people assume for anyone that is androgynous or just not overtly presenting as their gender as trans. and these are the same people who will say gender is fluid, but the moment someone expresses their gender differently they jump on the "they must be trans!!!!" train.

No. 73043

>>73023
Guess that's what middle school spergs with too much time do nowadays, play pretend tranny and then project that onto their favorite character so they can shriek when someone disagrees in the name of ~progressivism~

No. 73046

>>73023
>i really like flower's tomboyish design
lmao i'm the opposite and prefer her original design and usage. When her v4 design dropped i just knew the len/oliver/piko/fakeboi community would take over her fanbase and spread their shit

No. 73048

>>72982
for some reason i heard that the more feminine design came later on so i was kinda sad that they "changed it" lol

No. 73049

>>73043
less middle school more 30 year old man.

No. 73050

>>72840
>>72846
>>72854
eh, she has her appeals. to me, at least. i think her accent is kinda cute, actually. she's better than len v4 english at least.

i also think it's funny how ghpz tries imitating circus-p but kinda sounds better than him

No. 73055

Not western but any kururingo/inumaru shibaigoya fans here? I know it was a little while ago but I'm still kinda bummed they nuked everything from the internet. I know some songs have been reuploaded but it's mostly with cringy osumatsu-san (or other fandom) PVs.

No. 73059

>>73055
no idea about these producers, but why did they nuke everything?

No. 73060

>>73059
They 'retired'. There were rumours at the time about it being because a fan sent them poisoned something or other, but that turned out to be a mistranslation. They got sent a lot of hate apparently, though they weren't that well known so I figure it must have been one person with a grudge.

No. 73072

>>73050
Of course, GHPZ is a better producer than Circus. He spent more time practicing his craft. Plus, there is a reason he won the MikuExpo concert.

Plus how much time has Circus spent on "hiatus"? Sure Circus has been around for a long time, but he spent at least of that time "quit" or being involved in some sorta drama.

Circus has spent more time on hiatus than many producers entire careers in Vocaloid. Time in the scene does not translate into quality. Many newcomers are much more skilled and more productive than many longtime veterans.

No. 73084

>>72589
egh its pretty much just a chill and cute song and i like how rin's voice was tuned in it, hence the reason why i kind of found it enjoyable (after a lot of listens lol)

sage for blogpost

No. 73136

>>73072
I mean does anyone remember old VocaloidOtaku Circus? He deleted and completely purged his YouTube channel at least 3 times. He has always been a mentally unstable attention whore. I saw his bad breakup with Crusher-P a mile away.

Fuck, I have been following some of these Western producers for over a decade. Man some of them are so disappointing. I don't know any of the V1-V2 era Western producers that turned out well. Give me a dozen GHPZs any day.

No. 73138

>>73136
Holy shit. I haven't been in the Vocaloid Community long enough to see old drama, but…is there any screenshots? Or any recording of his tantrums? Or his fight with Crusher?

Man what does GHPZ see in this dude

No. 73141

>>73136

what >>73138 said. please provide evidence if you have any because i would love to witness his hissy fits firsthand

No. 73164

>>73141
>>73138
RIP. No screenshots, was all VocaloidOtaku drama. Before Twitter drama and Amino drama there was VO drama. It was the #1 hub of bullshit and drama from the western community's early years.

Place closed down after the lead admin had a mental breakdown after he was accused of abusing donations. He used to earn $250/mo in PayPal donations pre-Patreon to cover "server costs" and run a vBulleting message board.

I had a love-hate relationship with the shithole, the people were terrible, but the drama was delicious. There were your usual weeby assholes who knew nothing of music and listed over shota, but it also had a lot of knowledgeable people who actually used the software as well. It was a bittersweet fruit. I still miss the place.

Not only was it 25k users, but it also had a lot of Western producers active in the discussions. The post-closure spin-off, founded by select mods was never the same and was mired by identity politics, clique groups, and no actual producers, just obsessive fans who never touched the software in their life.

No. 73250

>>73164
Wait, THAT was the reason they closed it down? Fuck now I'm tripple mad. It was such a good source for information and they just nuked it without any archival.

No. 73253

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>>73250
The thing about the admin abusing donations was some lowkey drama for a while. He'd almost totally dropped out of the Vocaloid fandom and just kept hanging onto the site to squeeze money out of it.

The actual last straw was when he decided to sell Alter Ego voicebanks of his OCs, didn't get a license, and fucked over absolutely everyone on the dev team to take 100% of the profit. Site got nuked right afterwards since no one in their right mind would give him money anymore.

No. 73275

>>73253
Friendly reminder Vocallective Records is still run by this scumbag. He is a leech of the western community and is only in it for money and ego.
https://www.vocallective.net/
He sucks up aspiring producers into his "record label" promises them the moon and for that… he publishes their music to BandCamp for them, negotiates bad deals for cheap bundles on Groupies. All while taking a cut of their sales.

No. 73383

>>73164
There was several pedo scandals on VocaloidOtaku too. Actual adult pedo men who groomed and sexted with children on the site. It's a part of why it was shut down.

No. 73387

I keep seeing people on twitter complaining about others who don't like the song contest winner because it's in spanish but can't find any actual posts or tweets for it? On yt there are only those who don't like the song in general or confused japanese who don't recognize the language or confuse it with french (kek). Did I miss something?

No. 73388

>>73387
From what I can see one of the sources for all these people complaining was this one artist on Twitter who complained the song "wasn't European enough": https://twitter.com/yen_mi1/status/1197156697762127872

But apparently things have spiraled down enough there people are selling their tickets over a song: https://twitter.com/MIKUSAMAREVIEWS/status/1196877094711640066

No. 73390

>>73387
The language barrier has made it harder looking up some tweets unless those are just some rumors being spread around to stir drama. Wish there's some Spanish-speaking anon here who could provide some milk though.

>>73388
>yen_mi
lol I see this person is still around copying a bunch of popular Japanese artists. From iXima, Suzunosuke, then now Rella.

No. 73394

>>73388
So it's twitter overreacting and misinterpreting again. I like the song too and will be dancing and singing with it no matter what but the complaint isn't unreasonable. Most europeans simply aren't used to latin genres outside of Spain. But then again, I fully understand MikuExpo's decision too. They wanted a song that is original, represents a spirit of Vocaloid being international and about the experience of going to the concert, is well tuned and is preferably with several languages mixed in. They didn't state it directly but it was kinda between the lines in their contest page and tweets. And a suprising amount of submissions didn't really explore these criterias.
And I saw that ticket selling tweet you linked too but have yet to see anyone stating that the reason for their selling is because of MikuFiesta. It doesn't make sense either, why would the ones in barcelona sell their tickets?

>>73390
Same, pls enlighten us

No. 73398

>>73383

where'd you get this info from? i knew the site was bad but i didn't know it was that bad. i thought the worst of it was the whiny weebs flailing around every time a new vocaloid got released. i still remember the yohioloid shit show and i kinda wish i saved screencaps of that thread because that was a sight

No. 73404

>>73398
Some of the ex-mods migrated to a Vocaloid server on Discord where they've spoken about it a few times. Some of the pedos involved are also on that server (and the mods there know about it.) It's a fucking mess.

No. 73409

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>>73390
>>73388
I could be VERY wrong, but…is this the same Yen-mi that made some shitty genderless furry UTAU (named 'Bai-F0)?

No. 73412

One thing I don't understand is how the hell no matter how long Vocaloid has been around, the average age of the community has stayed the same.

Is there an endless stream of 13 years old where as they age-out of the 13-17 demographic they are replaced with new 13 year olds?

I have Vocaloid videos on YouTube that are 9+ years old and Google lets you do detailed reports on your audience demographics. 2010 to 2019, the 13-17 demographics has always made +50% of my Vocaloid video viewers.

Is there something inherent about Vocaloid that attracts tweens? Because I know what is attracting the predators, its the fact that +50% of the community (at least my viewers) are 17 or under.

No. 73433

>>73412
That's not surprising at all, though. Why wouldn't tweens flock to anime robots singing edgy songs

No. 73460

>>73394
The girl who sold her tickets is his LDR ex-gf and he was into her when she was a minor. IDK what is up with that because I don't follow but his current gf and his followers were posting clowns in her replies and calling her pelotuda/stupid in spanish and she had to lock her account.

These people act shitty but the north american community as always is unaware of spanish tea and polices opinions bec "Don't like the song? >racist!"

No. 73462

>>73412
I think there is more adult fans of Vocaloid than kid ones, but its kids who are the most vocal about it on social media and most likely to join forums etc. I've also found that adults try to find other adult friends who like it but kids will force themselves into every area of Vocaloid. It's why you see kids making callout posts about Miku porn, they just can't comprehend that they shouldn't be following adult accounts. Pedos have picked up on the fact that these kids are determined to be in adult spaces so its like lambs to the slaughter. There are so many actual pedophiles grooming kids in the Vocaloid community its disgusting.

No. 73465

>>73460
The spanish community has always been a special brand of autistic thought I can't speak for the fans actually in Europe but the Spanish speaking Latin American audience has always been especially dumb.

Spanish speakers don't deserve Voctro Labs. They are a great fucking company, made quality Vocaloid, but left the scene to make video game tools and their own synthesizer after they got almost no support.

The rampant piracy of Bruno and Clara paid with the self entitled attitude of many Spanish speakers was honestly kinda disgusting.

No. 73467

>>73462

but the fandom never talks about it. they just focus on fictional porn while ignoring the actual pedophilia going on within them. i don't get it.

No. 73469

>>73388
do you have a screencap or something of what she originally said? I can't find it, looks like she deleted it

No. 73471

>>73409
Nope, Bai-F0 was made by Utakoloid, Yen-mi has an UTAU called Ami Ichigawa though

No. 73474

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>>73390
I'm glad someone mentioned that, it's not okay

No. 73476

>>73474
The Rella copycat tipped me off when I saw Shu-t tweet his Change Me remix. Imagine settling with a discount Rella.

No. 73477

>>73467
There's something really fucking weird about it. I've seen kids on twitter doing essay long callout posts about adult women doing sexy Miku cosplays yet never a SINGLE CALLOUT about the actual adult pedo men in the community grooming real life children. The same retards that call people transphobic for saying Miku isn't trans are the same retards calling adult women pedophiles for doing a sexy Miku cosplay. its fucking pathetic.

No. 73490

>>73477
unfortunately these days almost every fandom is like this, they basically care more about the "rights" of the fictional character than all the actual horrible shit happening out in the world. adults who want to control the content other people consume target impressionable teens to get more and more people on this train. them doing this is so much more predatory than that woman doing a sexy miku cosplay you brought up.

No. 73504

>>73477

maybe they just aren't aware of all the creeps in the fandom because they don't really leave their social circle? but at the same time, where are the callout posts from the people who do know. the only one that was ever made (as far as i know) is the one about theolivermaniac.

No. 73506

>>73504
there was that london mikuexpo pedo/grooming ring discord thing but i haven't heard anything of it after it blew up overnight. i believe someone brought this up from the last thread

No. 73511

>>73506

so that's two callouts. that's still a really small number though. i mean it's better than nothing but god.

No. 73515

>>73404
Who are the pedos tho?

No. 73519

>>73515
two of 'em were Neurotoxin and Ortsa. Unsurprisingly, at least one of them was a Lenfag from what I remember. An acquaintance of mine, a minor last time I knew, mentioned how Neurotoxin would try to bring sex into their RPs.

No. 73524

>>73519
>lenfag
honestly if a grown ass adult is into len that's already a red flag for me 'coz of the amount of creeps in this community

>Ortsa

a quick google led me to a banned Vocaverse forum account with just two posts, hm

No. 73525

>>73164
I was gonna ask if you (or any anon really) thought that the closing of VO led to the stagnation Western Vocaloid has been experiencing lately, but google informs me that it only closed spring of 2018. Feels like we've been devolving long before that.

No. 73529

>>73525
We've been a shit community ever since Lady Gaga had Miku as an opening singer with her shit v3 english back in 2014.

seriously

No. 73530

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>>73529
No, like, for real. Thanks Lady Gaga, skank ruined the community because of this by allowing normie pop fans and regular anime fans and hentai addicts in.

there were even of vocaloid fans complaining about this, and everyone was responding with "it's not just for you anymore".

it can all be traced to this

No. 73531

>>73525
I would say part of the problem, that lead to this stagnation in the west, is the lack of official support from any Western Vocaloid companies.

PowerFX checked out in 2010 with BIG AL, they outsourced Oliverm Yohio, and Ruby to that dumpster fire of a company run by Anders, VocaTone.

Zero-G has always been schizophrenic about their support for Vocaloid. They tried experimenting with Sonika's design, making that a contest, but in the V3-V4 era, they always tried to keep the greater community at length.

They struggled with character designs removing the fantasy elements from Avanna, and the kemonomimi from Dex and Daina in order to placate their Western distribution partners (BigFishAudio, et. al.) that did not understand the Vocaloid thing and were afraid of weebshit™ alienating serious producers.

Yamaha being Yamaha is way too fucking aloof. CYBER SONGMAN & CyVa V5 are probably one of the best Vocaloid ever produced but they didn't get promoted for shit besides being an addon for V5 Premium, causing them to loose a lot of hype as if they were a stand-alone release.

We don't have our 1st Place, Crypton, or Internet Co, that engage with their community, run official events, continually promote and support their products and characters.

Beyond its final closure in 2018 VO bled a lot of users and the community fractured. 2018 fandom was much more decentralized than the 2010 fandom. Unless you were actively searching for it, F5-ing the tags on Tumblr, Soundcloud, Twitter, etc. it was easy to miss new releases and artists.

VO's decline wasn't a sudden closure, but a long running series of events that ended in its closure. It was on its decline due to mis managment for a long time. At the same time VocaloidOtaku was too big and it strangled every other traditional forum from Vocaloid-User to MikuFan. The only way you could survive with VO hogging all the users was if you made your niche distinctly different, a la UtaForum.

Beyond VO's specific decline, message boards were on a decline as a whole. Don't 'ok boomer' me, I am old but not that old (I do no some boomer Vocaloid producers) but honestly I blame #hashtag culture. Sure you felt closer to your community in a Discord server or Facebook Group, but the conversations seem more ephemeral and if you were looking to learn and actually USE VOCALOID like I was, Discord and Facebook Groups are practically useless.

As for the general decline of Vocaloid in the west I blame an inability to make money within this niche. Because of the age of the audience (young and poor) and the early free (as in beer) culture, the community cultivated, you can't monetize it and producers that are into it have to do so for alternative reasons, mostly ego. If people fail to immediately grab attention, they drop out.

Also, the "decline of vocaloid" is not just a Western problem, I know many people that think the same of Japan as well, where once producers make it big, they stop making Vocaloid music and go on to anime/videogames/other genres, etc. There are some counterarguments to this, I honestly don't believe it, but I have heard many people repeat it.

No. 73533

>>73530
reeeing about lady gaga ruining the vocaloid community by introducing normies to it has to be one of the funniest spergs I've seen in w in a while.

No. 73545

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Y'all see Magenetra's post about youtube's latest bullshit? People in the comments suggesting that because the bot flagging videos for 'child-directed content' is going to be targeting anything cartoon/animated a lot of vocaloid is going to get flagged. Kinda worried it's going to end up with producers/subbers etc just leaving youtube entirely rather than have to deal with this shit and the only alternatives are like NND or bilibili.

Also heard a tinfoil that this whole thing is because youtube is hoping people will complain enough to overthrow COPPA so youtube can keep making money off of pedo elsagate videos.

No. 73566

>>73530
Is this a troll post? Are you 10? Vocaloid has been mostly hentai addicts and weebs since day one. Gaga helped get more normies in which is only a positive thing.

No. 73567

>>73524
Neurotoxin and Ortsa were both Rinfags. Ortsa and Neurotoxin are pedos active in the discord server mostly, only a little bit on VO. But Ortsa/Neuro are in the same friend group with the ex-mods as the other VO pedos are.

No. 73568

>>73504
Most of the people in the know are people who actively protect the pedos and people who try to callout what is going on get driven offline. Callout posts calling people pedos for retweeting Miku's ass have made callout posts about real actual pedophiles meaningless tbh.

No. 73571

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>>73530
No, Crypton is the one trying to attract minors both in the west and in Japan. The Miku English official twitter account is a fountain of 'how do you do, fellow kids?' cringe and I would pinpoint it (created in 2014) as the shift in the fandom to an even more kiddy one. Accounts like mikumiku_ebooks and all the ebooks meme cancer accounts didn't help. You can't look up Vocaloid tags nowadays without being flooded with 14 year olds photoshopping Len into a leg or some shit. You think Lady Gaga showing Miku once many moons ago to an audience who dgaf about Vocaloid had more impact than a Crypton approved 117k account that tweets childish shit like this?

Maybe children won't spend money but they beg their parents to and once they turn 18 and get part time jobs they have no sense of responsibility and waste their entire paychecks on Miku things instead of saving to move out. You only have to see how people around the ages of 18-21 compete with collecting Miku merchandise to be the biggest Miku fan, something I had never seen in the western fanbase before. Cultivating a fanbase like this can be as profitable as catering to older otaku or producers, or even moreso, because children are never critical of Vocaloid companies and their organized events.

No. 73572

>>73567
Is there anything sadder than the fact that VO not only protected popular users that turned out to be pedos, but also entirely new users who are pedos

No. 73573

>>73571
Exactly this. Gaga opened Miku up to normies in a legitimate way. Ebooks and the official EN twitter are the ones who've got all these fucking actual children dominating the western fandom screaming about "Miku is a uwu nb trans gurl and if you disagree you are transphobic!!!" and making twitter accounts dedicated to nothing but posting bald edits of the mascots with Drag Race slang captions. They need to fire whoever runs the official twitter and C+D the ebooks account asap.

No. 73574

>>73572
That's what I don't understand. Ortsa was one warning away from a permaban on the discord server yet the owner of the server himself lied about the entire thing to cover for him (even going as far to say there was no proof about what Ortsa did when Ortsa himself confessed to doing it to him) The ones behind VO would rather shut down the server than ban a single pedophile who was grooming kids there. And nothing can be done, these retarded 13 year olds making callout posts about "uwu sexualising a real life minor" over Miku porn have made it literally impossible to get actual warnings about real life grown ass men pedos to get through. Even above someone said "If they're a Lenfag I'm suspicious" when actually there are Lukafags and Mikufags doing this grooming shit. Whatever pixels they fap to in actuality has little correlation to if they are grooming kids or not in the Vocaloid community. I'm yet to find a Lenfag who's been caught up in this. All the pedos I know of are Mikufags with a handful of Rinfags.

No. 73576

>>73574
Well, when VO was alive, there was actual fear that calling out the pedos would kill the entire site. Like other people have mentioned, VO was the only real hub for the western community for the latter part of its existence, and the main admin was only interested in it as long as he could make money. It just so happened that several of the biggest patrons were adult dudes who wanted to keep the site around to sexually harass teenagers. If they were kicked out, their paychecks would go away. Very fucked up dynamic all around.

I can't wrap my head around why they would repeat this on a server that costs $0 to run, where they get absolutely no personal benefit. It's not a good thing to be controlled by pedos you numbnuts.

No. 73577

>>73576
Maybe they plan to reboot VO and want to keep their adult pedophiles in the community to pay server costs?

No. 73581

>>73576

the more i learn about this fandom the more i wish i didn't.

No. 73582

>>73581
I love the software but I keep out of the fandom completely. The two biggest groups are young stupid kids who say Miku made Minecraft and pedophiles who try to fuck them but ask anyone else what the problem is and they'll say "people sexualising Miku!!!"

I once saw a callout post about "dangerous pedophile in the Vocaloid community" and all the screenshot was was them saying Miku was there waifu. It wasn't until a few days later when someone ELSE said "they're a pedo because they've said they want to fuck kids" and posted a screenshot of them saying on Facebook that they thought 11 year olds were hot or some shit. Miku being his waifu was MORE important to them than him being actually attracted to real children. The whole thing is totally fucked and a lost cause.

No. 73585

>>73574
What
Ortsa was in this Kagamine server I was, and he'd post ~lewd~ shota Len fanart like a horny dipshit all the time. Being a Rinfag and a Lenfag aren't mutually exclusive things.

No. 73588

>>73582

guess it's because dealing with real living criminals requires actual effort as opposed to cancelling a producer who said something edgy three years ago. so now we have this big fucking problem that gets ignored because mongs like shay prefer running around accusing someone of being a pedo at the drop of a hat over nothing while the actual pedos basically remain an integral part of the community. how nice.

No. 73590

>>73585
I only know him as a Rinfag. He sent Len porn to little girls so most likely was a technique to get kids to talk to him. Whenever he talked about what he was fapping about it was always Rin, never Len. But when he pmed porn to kids it was just whatever Vocaloid was their favorite including Len or Miku (loli Miku of course.) Always shota Len too, never anything that didn't look like a retarded moeblob.

No. 73591

>>73588
The stuff with that KiKo or whatever having a doujin talking about child sexual abuse in a very serious non-sexual way getting him cancelled by Western kids was just the last straw for me. If you spoke out and said he might be using that to deal with his own abuse they said "if it happened when he was a child he should be over it by now, its not an excuse" these kids parents need to remove their fucking kids from social media i swear to god. i simply do not give a single fuck if someone wants to fuck Miku, Len, Luka or any other non-loli style drawing. it has nothing to do with me or anyone else. what has to do with ALL of us is 30+ year old pedophiles meeting up with 12 year olds at concerts and making group fap chats with them

No. 73595

>>73591

>"if it happened when he was a child he should be over it by now, its not an excuse"

holy shit how cruel do you have to be to say something like this. like i knew these kids can be nasty sometimes but damn.

No. 73606

Can we nuke the Vocaloid fandom already?

No. 73622

>>73595
I saw MULTIPLE CHILDREN make this argument with each one having loads agreeing with them. I had to look up the doujin myself to see what it was as they all made it out to be some sick pedo comic. It wasn't at all, it was a really harrowing and serious look at child sexual abuse from the perspective of the child, I did see CSA survivors praising it too. Kids then argued back that it shouldn't exist at all even if it isn't erotic "because it could be used to normalise sex to children" to which Kiko (not the proper name but I forget it now) made a public statement saying the comic was for adults only, not children. And Twitter then came back and said "well it was on your public Pixiv, just because its marked 18+ doesn't mean kids won't see it, you're a pedophile!!" I can't imagine how devastated Kiko must have felt especially if they are a CSA survivor themselves (which is extremely likely)

No. 73627

>>73591
>>73622
what is the title of the doujin? Do you have a link to it?

No. 73631

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>>73477
>>73490
>>73504
>>73506
>>73519
>>73545
>>73572
>>73574
>>73576
>>73582

Should this kind of shit have a name? I've been thinking "Vocagate" or something along the lines of it.

I'm personally disturbed by this because I was introduced to Vocaloid when I got a copy of Oliver for my 15th birthday a few years back…

I used to think the Vocaloid community was innocent and harmless.

No. 73633

>>73627
I don't know the name as it was in Japanese but its by Kikuo. It was on his Pixiv but its gone now after the backlash from western children on Twitter.

>>73631
It should have a name but unfortunately no one even gives enough of a shit to name it. Unless you're sharing Miku or Len porn you can get away with whatever. The Vocaloid community is dangerous. Even the kids will right threads about you if you dare post a photo of yourself in a Miku cosplay in a lewd pose, but will do absolutely nothing if you are groomed by gangs of pedophiles.

No. 73635

>>73627
Here's people discussing it in the last thread:
>>>/w/64905

The person who made the original callout was like 14 and shouldn't be reading that shit in the first place.You can see other people in the thread talking about having looked it up for themselves.

No. 73636

>>73633
Well, something needs to be done. We all need to spread the word.

I don't want another Elsagate…

No. 73639

>>73636
People have tried. It just doesn't work. The pedos are so close knit with each other they will harass you until you stop. Even if you read above you'll see they'll protect other pedos they don't even fucking know or like at all. The kids you're trying to protect have been so desensitized to "pedo callouts" on behalf of drawings that actual warnings mean nothing. Even in the last thread there was someone sperging out about how GigaP should be cancelled just the same as Kikuo and when pushed to answer why they said "because of Gigantic OTN." The situation is beyond saving.

No. 73641

>>73639

You can't just protect children from pedos in communities in general, bc first, children do what children aren't supposed to do. Second, shit like shota and etc does make children less weady, because most of them never got proper sexual education, neither the idea that people can use content like that to groom them. If kids would be cleared up, it'd become way easier to spot pedos in the community, because weirdos who just like drawn kids which dont look like kids probably would never think abt touching a real one

No. 73644

>>73635
the person who made the call out… was actually like…. 19.. its wack

No. 73648

>>73633
No he didn't delete it (thankfully, imagine deleting almost 100 pages of hand-drawn manga because some dumb children can't read your language), it's under the R-18 filter like it always was. You have to login to see it.

No. 73649

>>73644
No, they had a tumblr where they stated they are 14. Pretty sure their twitter profile stated it too at some point, but they had multiple accounts.

No. 73650

>>73622
He probably was, he spent the whole next day up until 2am in japan, responding to people who said they were disappointed fans or don't support him anymore (which was probably both a lie anyway because his patreon only gained supporters lol) and linking his response. Fucking twitter kids.

No. 73663

>>73650

kikuo seems like such a nice, talented dude. he didn't deserve any of this, especially if he truly did go through childhood abuse. wish there was a way to shut off these brats' internet until they figure out what empathy is.

No. 73665

>>73641
People who are fapping to Miku are not lolicons. If she's drawn to look young, then yeah, its questionable. But Miku (and all Vocaloids) are designed to be anything you want them to be, including sexy women. By these kids logic if someone was drawing a literal baby in a diaper but they whacked the age of 45 onto it that would be fine. Pedophiles are not listening to Gigantic OTN and jerking off, it couldn't be more obviously not about a child. These twitter kids are fully blown retarded

No. 73729

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>>73665

>>But Miku (and all Vocaloids) are designed to be anything you want them to be, including sexy women.


Including kaito

No. 73763

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whatever this song is going to be about, i'm sure sam will tackle the subject matter in a very nuanced and tactful fashion that won't be influenced by kneejerk twitter politics at all

No. 73773

>>73763
my GOD, does this leeching asshole do anything other than talk about politics all the fucking time?? i actually prefer akiglancy over this guy. at least she's passionate about what she does

no like seriously, look through his twitter. he retweets leftist news articles ALL the time. get a life dude

No. 73782

>>73729
I actually love it

No. 73788

>>73763 >>73773
I watched his stream.
Let me spoil it for you:
It is a song about school shootings.

No. 73795

>>73788

what in the hell compelled him to think that was a good idea for a song

No. 73804

>>73795
because EDGE. Target audience is angsty teens.

No. 73888

>>73773
passionate but just as bad of a leech. doesnt pay anyone properly and bitches about being broke but buys shit she cant afford

both of them are manipulative cunts either way

No. 73889

>>73888

is there really such a thing as a lesser evil with these two. is there such a thing as a lesser evil with most big name english producers in general

No. 73894

>>73773
As much as I agree that his rants are annoying as fuck. I just can't bring myself to have any preference when it comes to him vs. Aki. Mostly because Aki made a team of animators work for her with VOCAMERICA merch (keychains, some stickers and a shirt) as payment.

I honestly don't even know what's worse, the fact that she did this, or the fact that people accepted it and animated anyway. It's just mesmerizing that she made an entire KickStarter, didn't calculate (considering she calculated anything at all) animators payment in the amount, and thought delivering them bootleg-level merch would do it.

In either cases, it's fucked up how much most of the big name English producers get away with.

No. 73896

>>73894

wait, she didn't pay them a monetary amount? like, at all? i thought that's one of the main reasons why she pissed through the 28k so fast, because she was overpaying people for substandard work

No. 73898

>>73894
the fact that she still does this and people submit to it is disgusting. people think shes an angelic popular and successful western producer that theyre willing to get used if only to get recognition

wake the fuck up. youre all being manipulated into doing shit for free or cheap shit

No. 73899

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>>73896
A lot of the money went to Adan and Akuo (controversial figures mentioned here >>60390) Adan made the models and Akuo the textures and a lot of the illustrations.

The theory is she pissed most of money away in merchandise like those Dex/Daina custom plushes and probably in travel and other booth/promotion expenses, considering Vocamerica flew to Europe twice.

I have heard years ago from bts she did not compensate at least some of the producers involved and not sure about the animators but rumors exist they are paid in merchandise instead.

No. 73906

>>73899
Unfortunately, those about the animators being paid in merch aren't rumors. It was a statement by Aki herself on a YouTube video she's posted years ago while looking for "Emergency Animators" for VOCAMERICA. The video (which was posted in this now defunct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpMpUP-ce90) has been taken down since then, and I haven't been able to find anyone with a back-up for a re-up. In the video she basically stated animators were going to be paid in merchandising, as "they didn't have enough budget to pay them money for it".

No. 73908

>>73899
she has yet to deliver those KS stretch goals yet she has the audacity to ask for more money

iirc she's planning to launch another KS for this next year

it's funny and sad like, every now and then she would post her weeb shit haul then later see her e-begging with commissions or patreon

No. 73913

>>73906

but she had enough money to buy moke, a physical copy of longya, fl studio, materials for multiple cosplays made from scratch, cash for non-vocamerica related cons and all their expenses, and god only knows what else. i should probably mention that aki also e-begged for three hundred dollars so that her sink could be repaired about two years ago. to think she quit her real job to "work on vocamerica full-time" for this is something else.

as for extra vocamerica financial fuckups, for some reason she thought it necessary to buy hundreds of glow sticks to hand out to attendees so it could be like ~a real vocaloid concert desu~, multiple times. she travelled overseas twice for absolutely no reason when she should've focused on domestic audiences first. she spent money on physical cd copies of albums that had almost nothing to do with vocamerica or any of its producers, such as two different robo albums and some furry utau compilation thing that happened to feature dex and daina because sure why not, which were subsequently sold at her tables. basically, anyone who still respects and supports akiglancy at this point is an orbiting retard.

No. 74011

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Lupin really did turn Uoshi into his fanboy slave. This is just getting creepy now.

No. 74031

Have any of you ever met Aki in person? She has absolutely terrible personal hygiene. She never wears socks or proper shoes, she mostly wears sandals with no socks and she has disgusting long toenails. It seriously grossed me out seeing her at Miku Expo one year.

No. 74032

>>73906
I was so naive a few years ago that I drew art for one of Aki's songs and refused monetary payment because she was nice (lol). She offered merch instead but the best part was she never sent it at all.

No. 74070

>>74031
Fitting for an obese white trash weeb lmao

No. 74275

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I’m actually very surprised WaffleFoxAlpha “P” hasn’t been brought up yet (unless I missed something from the previous thread)

She posted a tutorial about how she traces from 3D models- not just the figure but the shadows and face as well. It wouldn’t have bothered me as much if not for the obligatory “It’s not technically tracing” and praise from the 13 yr olds (she’s 23 btw). She’s done work for some more unknown P’s like, iirc, Quasar.

No. 74281

>>74275
ive seen her around here and there but i didnt know she traced, i thought she was just a huge lumifag that popped up every time lumi content gets posted. go figure lol

No. 74282

>>74275
on first look i thought this was a straight up 3d model, but it's just a shitty trace. face looks weird as fuck.

No. 74283

>>74282
the torso is really lumpy too, maybe its supposed to be the folds of her dress but it looks more like a tube full of mashed potatoes. she really getting praise for this?

No. 74322

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ive seen her around and didnt think much of her other than a lumi fan as another anon said. art was never my cup of tea. the lighting is too bright that it hurts to look at

learning that she traces models and getting praise tho. yikes. no thanks

No. 74339

>>74322
She probably makes it super bright to distract from the wonkiness of the actual character lmao

No. 74356

>>74275
Did she make and pose the models herself? I don't see any issues tracing your own work. Or if not, did she at least credit the artist who did make the models?

No. 74357

>>74356
The models aren’t hers, she uses some application named DAZ Studio.
Legally, yes it’s fine. But the tracing of the model down to the generated shadows just makes the art look so wonky- especially when she doesn’t know how to draw hair or folds in clothing properly.

Here’s a link to the tutorial (on amino go figure)
http://aminoapps.com/p/us24j2

No. 74427

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never thought i'd see DAZfags anywhere outside of creepy uncanny valley porn on pixiv, let alone someone trying to sell their art to prods in the vocommunity kek
It's basically like those kids who trace gacha studio, but for adults

Sucks cuz I thought it was original art, and I like Lumi

No. 74451

Hey so like can someone please explain to me why Ruby costs $100 even though she's literally just Misha's UTAU ported to Vocaloid, besides the fact that Misha is a huge cunt

No. 74452

>>74451

Engine and development costs lol. Everyone who worked on her vb defenitely deserves some sort of cut obviously, even if theyre out of power fx, but also yamaha owns the most copy right to vocaloid, so most of rubys income goes straight to yamaha

No. 74455

>>74451
PowerFX vocaloids are usually more expensive than Zero-G vocaloids and they rarely roll out discounts. Also love yourself and buy Cyber Diva instead.

Speaking of Ruby, does anyone remember that claim of Crypton was interested in picking her up?

No. 74457

who would you guys say are some underrated vocaloids? are there any with really good voice banks, but you feel they get overlooked? any who get used by talented, but unpopular producers?

No. 74458

>>74455

oh fuck i do. how much you want to bet it was just syo/misha making it up for clout? because why would crypton suddenly give a shit about an english voicebank when all they've focused on are japanese ones

No. 74459

>>74452
But her price compared to Big Al, Sweet Ann, and Oliver doesn't make any sense. YOHIOloid at least has a kind of popular visual kei name attached but Misha is a literal who.

No. 74460

>>74458
i think the same. why the fuck would crypton give two shits about that, even more so if you take in consideration the time of ruby's release and development. back then crypton was focusing on updating their own characters to V4, given that context, i don't think they would care much for an english vocaloid project from a part of the fandom that, at the time they, didn't focus much on, let alone a project from literal "whos" who happened to have the development kit.

No. 74465

>>74459
Some time ago their V2s used to cost $120-ish then had a permanent price down. Oliver used to cost around that too. But I do agree Yohioloid might be expensive due to 1.) 2 vbs (eng/jp), 2.) YOHIO possibly getting a cut as an agreement/licensing. Ruby might have been $100 ever since as an introductory price for V4 (and their only V4).

Not to defend Ruby or anything, I think it's just really PowerFX not caring about Vocaloid anymore and just keeps them up for as long as they could.

>>74458
thought the same as well, too convenient for it to bring up during the time Ruby's release was in limbo and if Crypton's really interested wouldn't NDAs be in place?

No. 74470

>>74465
That makes a lot more sense. I also had no idea PFX's VBs were so expensive at first. YOHIOloid's royalties are for sure a part of his price tag whereas Ruby must just be them not caring anymore after her controversy.

No. 74471

>>74465

>tfw prince syo and misha were so desperate for attention that they made up a bullshit claim about crypton asking for ruby's license without providing any proof thereof

well i mean when the final product sounds like this can you really blame them

No. 74477

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expect more gibsmedats in the upcoming months

No. 74479

>>74477
I wonder how she feels about Miku Expo coming to Atlanta after Vocamerica going there (twice).

No. 74500

>>74457
nekomura iroha v4

No. 74502

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^ in reply to someone saying they don’t like her voice on Yunosuke’s new song

I know Jubybooby is kinda old news and we all know she’s fucked but I’m not the only one who sees through that moderator bs, right?
She’s done damage control with her “moderator” multiple times but, god, this was bad. First she claims to use no auto-tune which is bullshit, then continues to self-advertise for no reason? Why is a moderator even on Yunosuke’s video lmao.
Everything she writes makes it sound like she’s applying for a job- I mean have you seen her wiki page? It’s a whole essay about her career (and her 8+ octave range as her moderator stated on one of her videos)

Maybe I’m just nitpicking but the whole act is just super embarrassing, especially when she’s extremely mediocre as a singer. Can she just leave the vocaloid community for good already lol

No. 74525

>>74502
nah this isn't nitpicking anon, i wouldn't understand why a moderator would suddenly start writing about juby like they are writing for a wikipedia article. though i understand even less why she is writing like that for herself but she is clearly lying and overpraising herself.

No. 74539

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>>74479
she'll probably piggyback on it like this

>>74502
this feels like a bot posting

No. 74545

>>74465
Remember the reason why the V2s cost so much is because they came with a full version of the Vocaloid Editor. Once V3 rolled around they only came with "lite" trial versions and the cost was broken out separately. V3s V4s and V5 all require a separate $225 purchase on top of the VB costs, which V2s didn't require. Using V2 pricing to justify Ruby's insane pricing is a bit off, individual VB prices should have gone down after everything was unbundled.

No. 74574

Sadly don't have recipts because VO went down, but remember when Misha basically harassed Bil Bryant and is the reason PFX dropped out of Vocaloid

Misha didn't communicate what Ruby's was supposed to be and Bil had revealed a lighter skinned design at some anime convention. She accused PFX of white washing and racism and basically invited the western fags to send malicious emails to PFX
She also harasses Latina/Mexican vocaloid fans for not supporting Ruby because its "race traitorism" or something. what a clown

She also self-identifies as an SJW and has a Naruto obsession

No. 74576

>>74574

she was the one who started that #saveruby shit, right? anyways something that personally annoys me is how ruby is constantly held up as an example of ~poc representation~ in vocaloid, which misha herself obviously harps on about, but i can promise you that most actual ~poc~ vocaloidfags could not give less of a fuck about skin color. they just want a good product that doesn't sound like a prolapsed garbage disposal unit.

No. 74578

>>74576
Besides, literally all japanese vocaloids are poc

No. 74594

>>74502
This feels like a bot. It definitely is.

Also her octave range thing is B.S. Remember all her earlier covers where she pitched the song down? And even then, she has trouble hitting high notes.

She clearly cant't hit low notes either, given by her having to pitch up the audio in her cover of Lemon. She can't sing Bass or Baritone, nor Soprano.

No. 74620

>>74578

they aren't dark skinned so it doesn't count apparently.

No. 74637

>>74594
To be fair, it'd be a little silly to expect her to hit bass or baritone.

No. 74656

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>>74574
tbf PFX's design of Ruby was ugly as fuck I would've made a campaign to change it too

No. 74659

>>74656
the current design is shitty too but in another way, this one looks like someone's character from second life.

No. 74667

>>74659
How's the current design shitty? It looks bland but otherwise fine to me imo.

No. 74684

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>>74574
doesn't come to me as a surprise. misha's a whole clown. she basically fishes for oppression points like every other sjw. have you seen her twitter bio?
"Hispanic/Assyrian/Ukrainian"
it's like she's about to make a check list for all races under the sun.

for me, it just looks like she uses these as an excuse to post those extremely shitty (and borderline racist) takes she has on every single of the races she usually says she's a part of.

that aside ruby is a mistake in every aspect. the voicebank performs poorly, sample quality is, well, what you would expect from a sub-par mic in a bedroom, and the voice itself sounds bad. literally no one asked for another female vocal with a sinus infection.

No. 74720

>>74465
>>74459
>>74458
>>74455
>>74452
>>74451

Can someone care to explain how Misha and Lupin got to voice vocaloids in the first place when they're both literal nobodies? Aki has at least been in the fandom for a decade and has done demos.

No. 74727

>>74720
All of them came into the fandom around the same time so they've just known the right people. Aki making a few bad demos doesn't warrant her a Vocaloid over the other two imo.

No. 74729

>>74720
Lupin had talked about it on stream. Zero-G was accepting demo reels, they liked how he sounded, they invited him to audition.

Aki was already doing artwork for Zero-G, Avanna's boxart as they wanted someone in the community to do the art. That's how she established a connection to Zero-G. Knowing she had made an UTAU before they had invited her to submit a demo reel.

The "female vocal" was outsourced to VocaTone by PowerFX. Misha had connections to VocaTone staff and got a private invite through those connections. I think Bil Bryant would later regret this one.

All had made UTAU at one point. Being an early adopter to UTAU likely played a part in all of it.

No. 74813

>>74720
Since in the west, there's a super low chance professional vocalists would make a vocaloid due to it's reputation here(compared to how eastern VA's might go "my vocaloid could be the next Miku*"), they're almost forced to use either random people or people in the fandom already. Companies might think "Well since this person is already well known it might get more sales", and that's how shitty fandom vocals are born.

Kinda hilarious how if a english Vocaloid is voiced by someone in the fandom it's almost always shit. English vocaloids aren't everyone's cup of tea, and Songman and Cyva might be a little nasal at times but at least they weren't recorded on a Yeti in someone's basement

*newer vocaloids almost always fail but this is just an example

No. 74814

>>74656
I hate the design too, but that doesn't justify her getting her SJW weeb army to push an entire company out of vocaloid because of her racial inferiority complex.

I highly doubt shes all those races. She's pale as fuck.

No. 74816

>>74813
Man, English Vocaloids are somewhat OK. It's western // american utauloids that suck ass. everything that's made with that godamn program is a cringe weeb fantasy come true.

i still can't comprehend how kikyuune aiko got so popular despite having a nasal mom voice just like daina.

the main problem is that western female utauloids have unappealing voices while male utauloids sound too bland and can't hit high notes

No. 74820

>>74816
There are plenty of better western UTAU that should be at least as well known as Aiko but aren't. I have no idea how Aiko got popular myself, her tone and voice type are grating. I suspect it was just being in UTAU early enough and pumping out content.

No. 74821

>>74816
I will never understand how people think UTAU is better than Vocaloid, especially when 90% of western UTAU, japanese or not has a super strong disgusting accent. I once heard a CV from someone that had literal sick sniffling in the samples.

Yamaha might have questionably retarded business practices but V5 isnt bad to the point where singing weeb OC maker sounds anywhere comparable to it. If I wasn't biased against EmVoice I'd say its the worst synth(but even EmVoice has better results than UTAU)

Especially now that people try to make their UTAUs diverse and care even less about actual vocal quality.

No. 74823

>>74821
What's the issue with EmVoice?

No. 74824

>>74823
You have to pay $200 dollars or get restricted to only seven notes, you can't import MIDI files, it's 100% cloud-based which means if the servers ever go down you lose all your work and your money is wasted, the developers are past UTAUfags who hate vocaloid and think they've made the best synth ever and have no competition, etc etc

No. 74831

>>74820
Honestly, it was a mix of being early to the game, regular with releases, and sheer quantity and body of work. Popularity begets popularity after all.

Beyond that Myst and her circle has always been particularly effective in building a personal brand and engaging the community. I am not just talking about her being an admin of UtaForum either, but her efforts in the Overseas-Utafest DA group, and her frequent collaborations with other producers and artists.

I think a key point was the 2013 release "United Together Around UTAU". It was one of the first Western releases to be tabled at the Japanese doujin event Minna no UTAU and was key to exposing many of the featured artists and UTAU to Japanese audiences and mainstream appeal, or as mainstream as you get within this niche.

Collabs, collabs, collabs, and a lot of networking within the niche is the reason Aiko is so popular. Besides United Together I suspect the breakout hit of Bi☣hazard was a major part of it, it was the first of Crusher-P's "killer hook, drop the damn bass already" hit parade and it was a breakout hit in Japan. I think Aiko is the only western UTAU I know of to get an EXIT TUNES release.

There are better western UTAU definitely, Cz-loid is a love of mine, but no other Western UTAU makers has worked harder in the niche, put themselves out there more, and has done a good of a job self-promoting as Myst & Kiikyune Aiko have. Her current notoriety is built on literally a decade of work.

No. 74833

>>74831
I guess then even if Aiko sucks I'll give it to Myst for actually putting the effort it to be known. I almost forgot about those releases she was in. Your writing feels familiar to me but I can't quite put my finger on it. But thank you for the refresher info anyways anon.

No. 74849

>>74821
They all have weird accents without proper tuning, Vocaloids included. Imo there are some nice UTAUs, I especially like Namine Ritsu's latest voicebanks.

No. 74854

>>74833
If you posted on VocaloidOtaku then probably. I was a prolific shitposter before the mods and politics drove me away. Plus nerding out about UTAU probably gave me away. There are a limited amount of people still around since 2009. Holy fuck it has been 10 years. I don't have anything for my UTAU's 10th anniversary…

No. 74856

>>74821
Are there actually people who think UTAU is better than Vocaloid that is like… order than 13?

Any competent UTAU user who has used both clearly understand's UTAU's limitation. Its accessibility problems, its lack of dictionary, and all the various hacks you gotta do to make things sound decent.

It certainly has its own advantages, you can create your own without having to trade sexual favors with Anders Sodergren for example, you can add additional samples to emulate your native language and new phonemes, it is free/shareware, etc. etc.

But I don't think anyone who didn't have their head up their own ass would say UTAU>Vocaloid, especially if they ever used Vocaloid 5 Editor.

On that note, I can't take any Vocaloid producer seriously that is NOT using Vocaloid 5 Editor. Looking at you Lupin, he said on stream he doesn't buy Vocaloid 5 because he doesn't really like Vocaloid. WTF dude why you even a producer and keep milking this community if you don't even goddamn like Vocaloid.

No. 74882

>>74824
Damn, that sucks. I thought it looked pretty good. Cloud-based music software was a mistake.

No. 74884

>>74882
any software with no offline mode is a mistake, i just don't get how anyone thought that was a good idea for a music software.

No. 74889

>>74824
> the developers are past UTAUfags who hate vocaloid and think they've made the best synth ever and have no competition, etc etc

I think you mean Synthesizer V anon.

No. 74891

Anyone else sick of that Megurine Luka "skinny" twitter account? Recently they tried to flex on the fact that so many people blocked them, but really it's because they're insufferable and they're basically a reject stan account.

No. 74892

>>74820
>>74831
Is there any way at all to make in in the UTAU community in 2019-2020? asking this because I've been interested in the community myself for a long time (yes i'm a cringe weeb) and i've just thought about doing it for fun.

Of course, i want to put effort into it.

No. 74896

>>74891
All those unfunny shitpost accounts (including every single ebooks account) are cancer with every last one of them ran by actual children

No. 74903

>>74891
>>74896
To be fair, Luka the vocaloid is actual shit, so this parody account is probably the most attention she'll ever get

No. 74907

>>74903
Luka literally has more songs than that account has followrs

No. 74921

>>74892
I was thinking about the same thing, but it really seems like the UTAU scene is dead now. I was kind of shocked when I realized how different the popularity is from its heyday in ~2009-2012. I heard that the program was written in an ancient programming language that's like 20 years old, so maybe there's no new users these days because no one wants to put up with the early-2000s era UI anymore.

No. 74926

https://twitter.com/SayaTrue01
So apparently there's milk with this Saya Scarlet cosplayer…

No. 74930

>>74856

every day my respect for the shitshow trio of sam, aki, and misha continues to sink lower and lower. what the fuck are they even doing at this point. why did sam agree to have his own vocaloid. what is wrong with them and why are they wasting everyone's time like this.

No. 74937

>>74930
I think the bigger question is why are people continuing to give them the time of day? People need to stop pretending these three are anything other than total fools, it's not a good look for the community. We need some fresh blood to flush them out in my opinion, but that's a tall order condsidering the state of vocaloid as a software.

No. 74941

>>74907
quantity ≠ quality

admit it. her voice sucks

No. 74944

>>74889
SynthV too, but according to what I heard the EmVoice devs did the same shit

Man, why are all independent synths ran by UTAUfags

No. 74945

retarded question but what if farmers became producers kek
at this point anyone can be better than whatever the fuck this current shitshow is

No. 74947

>>74945
Do it anon, I'd love to see

No. 74948

>>74891
I love Luka but yeah, the account holder seems extremely patheric. They remind me of those fandom callout tumblr users who hate everything that is even slightly ""problematic""(read:not 100% morally right mary sues or villians) or everything that isn't about their chosen self-insert.

No. 74950

>>74926
That sunny account sounds like an absolute nutjob. I already wondered how Saya didn't gain any fat neckbeard stalkers yet.

No. 74951

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>>74926
>>74950
Kek, nevermind. It seems like that account is run by one of her jap. neckbeards who jumped on the drama because he is angry there isn't enough posts on her patreon.

No. 74965

>>74889

Bro are u retarted, synthV costs 90 dollars and kanru hua was a passionate utau developer until he was able to make his dream of an own singing synth true. No need to be a douche

No. 74984

>>74889
>>74965
synthV dev used to work on a miku knockoff vocal synth and pitchforks were raised after people found out it was a blatant reverse engineer of Vocaloid. The fandom was quick to demonize him until he came back developing moresampler, in which the utaufags quickly worshipped him for. Eventually he announced he was working on a new synth (which will become Synthesizer V) and I sure do remember utaufags getting their hopes up thinking it's their meal ticket of having their singing OCs on a different engine.

>>74821
The funny part about this is the voice provider for Emvoice Lucy is the same VP for CZloid. I remember CZ being salty at SynthV dev for making his own English recording list. There's something funny about CZ being adamant about their precious English UTAU list only to jump ship to Emvoice later.

No. 74995

Skinny Luka acc obviously lurks on here. Hi you stupid attention whore.

No. 74998

>>74995
>>74896
generally, i ignore/mute these ebooks account as some of them are run by children. kids are dumb and it's not the end of the world.
though the mikubooks and len cfm accounts are next level autism. the mikubooks mod is a creepy troon and whoever's running the len cfm account is an insufferable orbiter

anyway which anon retard cowtipped that luka account, now we'll have more newfags shitting up the thread

No. 75005

>>74984
Where'd you get that info about the VP of Lucy being the same one as CZloid? Only got results leading back to this thread when I tried searching for that.

It's a shame the emvoice devs are retarded because I actually liked Lucy's voice bank, and they were onto something with choosing to use casual pronunciation as default. But $200 for a half-broken plugin? No thanks.

No. 75010

File: 1575774680679.jpg (63.29 KB, 642x508, soho emvoice.JPG)

>>75005
back when emvoice used to call itself soho

No. 75064

>>74637
It's also equally silly to suggest she really does have an 8 octave range.

I take back my original statement, She's Soprano. The only instance of her singing Tenor is when she covers Kagamine Len songs (and even then, they're not that low. While Len is a tenor range vocaloid, his VP is a woman.)

Rachie and Kuraiinu on the other hand actually have impressive ranges.



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