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GHOST>uses garageband for a majority of her music, knows nothing about music theory>""""nonbinary"""">Deletes own songs without notice for attention, "muh depression">Swarms of 13 y/o fans who idolize her>horrible tumblr art>claims to have DID, now, apparently.https://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALShttps://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
Aki Glancy/ EmpathP>Mediocre producer who got to live our her fantasy of becoming a vocaloid>Spearheaded VOCAMERICA. Enough said>Still has not delivered on the stretch goals for a related kickstarter. Where's the 22k Aki?>Instead, uses the money to create unbelievably shitty XXXXL sized vocaloid cosplays to parade her obese body around inhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmvmOALS_lj0ZD7Mg7AD7aQhttps://twitter.com/AkiGlancyhttps://www.deviantart.com/akiglancy
Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCero>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior">cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts. Says she wants vocaloid wikis to delete all her translations.>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bESThttps://twitter.com/TheBlackCerohttps://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/
I'm all for unique instrumentation but she just is the textbook definition of insane edgy when it comes to her music now. I agree, her older songs were decent, but now it's just factory sounds, especially entomologists, such a forgettable and muddy song, and what the fuck was the mess that was spider on the wall
Also I don't care if she has DID or not, either way it doesn't excuse her being an funnie boi about it. I get that it may have made her make some irrational decisions in the past and if she's genuine then sure I'll take her apology but even after that apology she's still so self centred and in the clouds with her fans and treats them like her pawns in the comments
Not surprising. They worship everything she does. I hate cancel culture but I don't think Ghost has changed much at all especially since she accused Steampianist of being a pedophile and got her fans to witch-hunt him. She's still immature as fuck and I've seen 13-14 year olds act a thousand times more mature and responsible than her.
also unrelated but I went on her curious cat and she supports he/him lesbians lmfao
They claim it's "pedophilia" and harming children and then harass the artist to death. Yes, fiction can affect reality but when actual minors get harassed and groomed and preyed on by actual pedophiles, they ain't saying shit. Really proves how hypocritical over half of the western community is, no wonder the Japanese side of the vocaloid community doesn't want much to do with it
Also we should make that Naku person a big cow tbh
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this was already posted on the bad art thread, but I think it belongs here too. Supposed to be Luka and Meiko.
that meiko looks like a mexican grandma. they BOTH look like mexican grandmas.
what's the point of butchering a character's appearance this badly? why not just make an oc? do they draw this shit and slap a fandom label on it to get more likes or something?
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I don’t like GHOST but I’ll have to say I personally am on her side for this one
At best I can maybe see him guilty of racism, but the claims about him being a pedophile are complete bullshit.
His songs aren't 'glorifying' child predators, I don't get where people come to that conclusion. Yes, he writes songs about them, but shay also wrote a saga about a deranged mother (who's personality stems from a misogynistic trope) obsessing over her son, and then his equally deranged wife (who shay really specifies to have synesthesia, which is important i guess) murders him out of 'anxiety'.
him owning a nazi outfit really isn't that big a deal. i don't know why people are blowing that out of proportion so much. in karakuri burst len wears an outfit with a swastika on it, yet Hitoshizuku-P and Yama△ remain free of criticism, as far as i'm aware.
also that last point. "i can't find any evidence myself of him using the n word". shut the fuck up if you don't have evidence.
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so is ghost seriously going to start referring to herself as "we"…
the racism is pretty disgusting though. also meh, I don't think she glorified it that much and she's mentioned how she doesn't want to be associated with communications and acknowledges it was shit.>>102322
anon I think that we means she and all her followers should work together as one and a "we".
they're not glorifying them but it still isn't the best move to write a song about a real person and the pain it caused her family after her death. it's kind of insensitive imo.
I'm not defending ghost much but at least her storyline was fictional and she now admits it was shit.
Yeah, communications was shit. Not because it's themes were too dark, but because the subject matter wasn't handled well.
Again, if shay can recognize the subject matter she was writing about and realize it was morally wrong, i don't see why she can't come to the conclusion that steam can do the same. she's living in her own head.
but yeah you're right on his racism. though i've only seen him make those kinds of comments towards the chinese specifically.
That's pretty interesting, actually.
But again, would the fandom know or care if there was a situation where hitoshizuku and yama got cancelled? (hypothetically speaking)
I'm definitely taking Steampianist's side on the anti-China comments. Everyone should read up on how the Chinese treat Filipino people (and literally anyone who's not white) before forming an opinion on this. Westerners are stupid as fuck for projecting their relationship with China onto the whole world and assuming all opposition comes from the racist/white supremacist roots of their own culture.
The song about a child molester was trashy and tasteless, though, IMO. I haven't heard the murder song, but I have a feeling my opinion will be the same. Edgy content from a self-admitted edgelord. He deserves to get dragged for that, but everything else just seems like filler.
The "Nazi outfit" thing also clearly takes more inspiration from punk culture, and the spirit of being offensive, than any actual nod to Nazi ideology, so there's not much to call out there, besides the tastelessness (yet again). It's there for shock value, he literally rotated the Buddhist symbol.
I actually like and respect Ghost on a small level for acknowledging Communications was shit, so it’s understandable why she discontinued it. Her not saying that at the time she discontinued it wasn’t right, but at least she explained and apologised for the bad way she wrote it. I thought the music was decent, some parts were pretty catchy too, but even when I was a huge fan of hers it made me uncomfortable to a degree. Especially Kennith/Colorbars.
She acknowledges the fact that Steam can change, too. She hopes he can, it’s outlined in her tweet. But considering his recent racist tweet was this month, I don’t think he’s changed much from last time he made racist remarks.
Eh, if it’s comfortable to her to express herself like that I don’t see the problem, unless you believe she’s faking it or over exaggerating it
I wouldn’t mind anyone with DID calling themselves we to feel better, to be honest. But to agree with earlier anons the way she talks about her did seems like a joke…
he said that was from his high school years when he's a dumb edgy lil shit, he had to do community service 'coz of that patch
he's still edgy today though, if anything i'm surprised people are only finding out he stans shadman
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where's the 28k, aki.
That's basically a meme at this point. 'Where's the 28k aki'>>102339>>102335
i don't know why you think he needs to be punished for being edgy. most people in the western vocaloid community make edgy shit, he can at least do it well.
circus p was an edgelord before he fully committed to making shitty edm songs with the laziest pvs and most boring subject matter cough
Using pedophilia for edge points with no point is just nasty. Who the fuck writes a song about a "friendly child molester" with no real message besides "haha pedo halloween amirite wow spooky the candy is his dick welcome to my twizted mind i got a fucked up sense of humor you could say ;)", and then tries to pass it off as a "warning"?
There's transcendent art that happens to be about dark topics, and then there's cheap shock value BS.
I know the western Vocaloid fandom is mostly mentally stunted weebs, but can they not raise their artistic standards even a bit? Be less embarrassing? You can be edgy, but at least put some actual thought into your work.
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I don't think Steampianist is generalizing tbh
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Also some context on that guys tweets defending steampianist
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samefag but>pinned callout post only has 4 likes in total, the OP of the ghost one has only 2 likes, no retweets or mentions besides their own>"I'M GONNA LOG OUT NOW TO WATCH THIS BLOW OVER, SEE YOU IN A FEW WEEKS">5 hours later>"JUST WANNA SAY I UNFOLLED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ATTACKED MY MUTUALS!!"
These kind of people shouldn't be allowed to use the internet.
The thing is, the sane adults stay mostly quiet unless they drop a song.
preach to the choir. and besides, that's just one song. i thought twaddles of a flue faker was pretty neat, for its pv and lyrics. >>102367
warning signs was basically just 'look guys a song with CHRIS now!'
i don't fucking know why circus is pretty much the go-to guy for demos.
Yeah, unfortunately, the Japanese fandom is also criticized a lot for being toxic
and childish. It just had a decade-plus of doujin culture to fall back on from the beginning. The western fandom keeps struggling to build it all from scratch and kneecapping itself.
>>102429>japan good, murica (overseas) bad
it's amusing how weebs think Japan is a utopia of no conflict/drama just because they can't read what's going on
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I don’t know if he’s changed though. This is pretty shit and I agree with ghost on this one.
Yeah, because the western vocaloid fandom is just so
amazing and not cow-filled. No one said it's bad just because it's not Japanese.
he locked his acc,
if anyone on here follows them, why not leak the stuff he posts now
Maybe, if you'd explain who tf that guy is.>>102983
What is it with all the fucking furry pfps. Every 3rd vocaloid twitter I see, there is one.
ngl this whole daulton thing smells like vendetta to me ever since the last thread. Every time I turn around some anon is going "b-but what about DAULTON" and everyone else is like "who?"
Either provide actual milk & pics of it or shut the fuck up
Thibaud, aka vy1v5, some french utau/vocaloid user with a small following, though they seem to be aiming to get in touch the community again. He tried to callout his ex, after that Hanabi/Lizzy drama ended up getting lots of traction
maybe not a big lolcow, but he is a presence in the fandom like other usershttps://www.youtube.com/user/thibaud76200/videos
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Well, Shay also said that she had been (self)diagnosed with dpdr and BDD in her edgy teenage phase (which now is perpetual for her), so it's no longer a surprise to see her saying that DID is now the new escape goat for her shitty person, and this attitude of her has never changed unfortunately.>>102292
This. She used to be pretty decent as an amateurish composer, many of her scrapped works are x10 times more interesting than her new tastless shit, even her oldfags point that out.
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first time posting here. wanted to bring attention to someone who has really risen in the vocaloid cosplay community who needs called out on their shit. mikumeeks said she was “quitting cosplay” because of the community and threw a shitfit… because she was exposed for scamming LOADS of people so she could buy miku expo tickets.
an expose was made on her in a Facebook sale group, but one of the admins got it under control. here’s screenshots of the interaction anyways - I didn’t persist because the admin who sorted it contacted me.
tldr: personal grudge against someone who got called out for being shit, tried to make herself the victim and was going to “quit cosplay” over people rightfully wanting money back”, and now has risen massively in the community
side note: i don’t agree with my behaviour in these screenshots. only putting them for proof this was a thing that happened.(Newfaggotry, lolcow does not exist for callout culture. Do not try to use lolcow for your vendetta or to "cancel" someone. We do not interact with the cows, only observe)
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this is autistic as fuck but maybe we'll get some milk (1/2)
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dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. kek at "sporadic behavior, potentially hostile", sounds like a description for a fucking SCP
There is absolutely no proof or receipts, and below this is an area where the creator just lists every single user in some discord server for "gatekeeping" because "they all deserve to be held accountable"
Losers trying to smear other losers for drama points in a dying fandom that literally no one but the people involved know exists. These people themselves are the funniest cows.
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They're still trying to make this trainwreck happen… Now the accusations have more detail, but they're actively refusing to share receipts of anything that's not common knowledge.
I guess we're supposed to trust their "vetting process". Where they marked someone as being a high risk pedophile over drawing porn, and marked a known sexual harasser as "very safe" because he sent them one nice message.
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Samefag but lmfao someone is threatening to sue OP for calling him a liar
uwu! uwu! owo! senpai! uwu! úwù! law! court! smart brain! uwu! uwu!
fucking 10 year old
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"high risk pedophilic behavior" = "femboy addiction"
Tinfoil, but hear me out. I almost feel like this account is run by some degenerate who got called out and is mad about it, so they made this account and are acting as stupid as possible and accusing random people of serious offenses in hopes that it blows up, people see how stupid the list & account is, and decide to stop taking accusations of abuse and crimes within the community seriously? Like the boy who cried wolf sort of thing.
The reason I think this is because the way they are acting and typing is very strange and unnatural, even for the vocautau community. For example, @-ing users they previously accused to tell them they have been REMOVED from the list, and ending the announcement with cutesy tildes and a party emoji? Any person serious about making a list like this would not see removing people from it as a cause for celebration, because it would reflect badly on them since it suggests they have been making false accusations. If anything, they would be much more likely to try and sweep their blunder under the rug so as to not lose credibility… So them continuously @-ing people they accuse makes no sense and it reads as if they are really trying to make this blow up. Thoughts?
This is probably a stretch, but I believe VocDelinquents is probably run by Reson Lore. 80% of the people originally on the spreadsheet have been detailed of "harassing" him in the past. One of his white knights posted this a while back where you can see the list https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr5e13
Although this isn't definitive proof it's run by him, looks like most replies to VocaDelinquents already think it's him anyways.
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Not to "Hi cow", but that's pretty unoriginal, especially if you've had like 4 years to come up with a decent response, kek.
Can you two go somewhere else to write your shotacon fanfiction or something>>104141
tbh I'm surprised it took this long for him to be cancelled when this tweet has been up for so many years. Totally tasteless way to respond no matter how you spin it
No need to project. I'm just trying to find out what makes someone so obsessed with child sexual abuse that they write songs about it, and try to sniff out victims
to mock. Envious femcel type shit.
lulziest replies i've seen in awhile anon you triggered
these girls bad lmao, how embarrassing
Now I'm a troon? What a reach. I can smell the rejected pussy transplant from here, scrote. Fuck off back to your rat hole. Sorry people didn’t like your emo weeaboo child rape music
You want to accuse anyone of troonery, try pointing a finger at the staff lol
Just look at her interactions >>104708
yeah I still listen to her older shit, it's decent.
There's no way she could have DID tho. You don't fucking get to that stage in life without knowing you dissociate, especially if she has diagnosed BPD. It doesn't add up.
1/4 was pretty good, but after that everything just went to shit for circus and then all the edgy, self diagnosed retards like creep rose to fame
speaking of which, it's a while since we touched on Creep, any new milk?
I've seen it too, and it sounds terrible for any child to go through, and I'm sorry for her and all but you're missing the point. It doesn't excuse her problematic
behaviour and the fact she gaslit people and manipulated them. I do wonder whether she'll stick to her apology though…
New fandom is cancer, anything that isn't black fat trans Miku in a hijab and MikuRin is problematic
. If you can avoid getting back into it, don't
Anything that isn't MikuRin is problematic
its literally canon cuz project diva uwuwu, if you like mikuluka or kaitolen you're a pedo, if you like mikulen you're a lesbophobe for shipping a straight ship instead of these two kawaii black trans muslim lesbian jews
He opened join to his channel, not much.>>104719
A bit of the Naku/Kuro thing but not much, unless anyone has anything to contribute.
I agree, even Google credits her as the creator of Patchwork Staccato instead of toa, it's annoying. Why would she even need money to make covers?
One of my favorite Japanese producers collaborated with her, I wonder how and why(her vocals don't fit the song well)
The only reason her translyrics are half-decent is because she uses other people's translations for them.
JubyPhonic and Rachie sound the same to me and neither of them are that good, it's just the uwu irl anime voice that gets them attention.
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What the hell, did these motherfuckers really just coopt the sacred oldfag ship?
Fucking newfags, I bet they don't even know Doki Doki☆Yuri Gakuen. GET YOUR FILTHY HANDS OFF MY NOSTALGIA SHIP
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I know some anons brought this up on the previous thread already
OP's reaching on some posts but that Change Me Meiko pic definitely has stolen the background from Rella's arthttp://archive.is/Esi7Q
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god remember the point in the vocaloid fandom when everyone agreed that rin and len's relationship status is completely up to interpretation and it's perfectly fine to see them as siblings or lovers
what the hell happened to that. literally why is every fandom like this nowadays
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Creep-P is dropping all of their vocal synth work.
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He spoke about this on Twitter too. Looks like he's pretty much done with the vocal synth community, but will still be making music. I saw this coming, especially with how much he's said he didn't want to be a called a VocaP for a while.
I don't personally give a fuck about his obnoxious ass or his shitty music, but good for him I guess.
So what? He's going to go through the trouble of finding real people to sing his songs?
It's fine if he doesn't want to be associated with the vocaloid community anymore (honestly who would in this day and age) but it's still convenient as a singing program. There's still plenty of engloids that have no real identity and are just voices (cyva, cyan, chris, amy, miriam, etc.)
Also imo he should just stick to making insturmentals. He's really great at making normal music, but songs and lyrics not so much.
>>106073>He's really great at making normal music
are we talking about the same person? creep's instrumentals are literally the most discordant shit i've heard in my life.
the problem about doing vocaloid is that you kinda pigeonhole yourself into the vocaloid community (unless you're like, porter robinson or something i guess). that was good for creep because his shit has literally no appeal whatsoever unless you're an edgy weeb tween.
now that he's not doing vocaloid, who the fuck is he making music for? normal people don't like the sound of a fat autist banging on a midi keyboard. dude's gonna crash and burn and it will be hilarious.
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Why's he still keeping the -P suffix though? Isn't that strictly for Vocaloid producers?
Also, what was the P suffix trend ever for anyway
Im not even sure the apology was needed especially when the song never specifically stated “by the way, fuck people with NPD”. Abusive
people still exist and I don’t think a few people getting butthurt should warrant artists to stop talking about them.
That's just what fandom culture is like now. Making content about subject matter = condoning the subject matter, to these people. Everyone has lost the ability to think critically about a single fucking thing in their lives.
I think about how edgy and grimdark the Vocaloid fandom used to be in like, 2010 and wonder how the fuck these people even got here. I know a lot of them are 12 so they're too young to remember it but it's wild that it never occurred to them.
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This is what I don't legit get. Why do people get so offended when artists explore dark subjects?
What is the difference between fetishisation/romantization and just expressing yourself, and why are people so obtuse to understand it nowadays?
Example, this is a drawing of an underage girl. People can cancel Kikuo just for that.
It's trendy and they do it for clout. It's as simple as that. Nothing gets you retweets faster than trying to cancel someone with a big follower base by yelling whatever problematic
buzzword is in today. If they actually gave a shit they'd go after the numerous confirmed child abusers and MAPs online, it's not like they're hard to fucking find.
that's a bit of an exaggeration. some of the topics she puts tws on do make sense
or am I missing something here
old milk discussed in the first thread
tl;dr he cheated on his girlfriend with a 19 year old (technically under the age of consent where they lived) and she accused him of abuse
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Ghost deactivated their twitter, probably as damage control for the Candle Queen apology
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She said in a reply to a comment that it's to reverse the parasocial relationships between her and her fans or something like that. I do remember her complaining recently on Twitter about how toxic
her fandom has become so I think that's her primary motivation. It may also be an attempt to control her venting/oversharing addiction though. For example, she posted this the day before.>>107773
I agree, it's a very good move and it will help her a lot, but she's very impulsive and rarely sticks to her decisions so she'll probably be back in a few months, maybe even less.
"hi i'm an alcoholic" makes me cackle because that's the exact thing people are calling her out for, spreading the message to her young fans that drinking culture is cool and romanticised? "hi i'm an alcoholic osdd1b/did system" god she just makes osdd1b people look like a joke and also I thought she said she's been professionally diagnosed. You're either one or the other.
Yeah it's a good move, but she probably will
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"I know this has been mentioned" then why do you mention it again. If you don't have anything to add at least sage.
Changing the topic, does anyone know what this is about? She said this group is a "facet of the vocaloid community", so I doubt she means this site. And also accused this group of driving two producers (ghost and creep I assume) out of twitter. My gut tells me it's just the same old shit again but I have hope that it's at least a bit interesting this time.
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I've investigated a bit and apparently some minors were critizicing/"harassing" other minors because making edgy songs is ableist now? So yeah same shit as always. What I don't get is why they say it was kids being harassed but ghost was affected by it too? And to the point of deactivating her Twitter account lmao. If I find the "harassers" they're talking about I'll post more screencaps here
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No, they say ghost left because
of these people, so it isn't only about her. Apparently this teenager RIP (he's 16 iirc) was also attacked and he got depressed and privatized all his YouTube videos for like a night (What's with these people and their tendency to DFE whenever they're in trouble?). Maybe when they talked about "minors being harassed" they meant him.
(Btw the Shay in the screenshot is not ghost, they just have the same name)
RIP is a girl. She's not really a big deal, her music's pretty talented for starting at around 12-13, but istg all the producers like her who are part of Ghost's group just have this mentality of running away probably for attention and uwu points. But eh, RIP isn't much of a topic here.
In general why the fuck doesn't that Shay call someone out? It just creates more drama when they talk about it but don't specify what's going on.
>>108526> In general why the fuck doesn't that Shay call someone out? It just creates more drama when they talk about it but don't specify what's going on.
Because her goal is drama. It functions like a career steroid for her since her audience of young impressionable cancel culture Twitter activists fall for the drama hook line and sinker and uncritically glorify her as a victim
uwu and stan her even harder.
She used to do this same thing when she had her tumblr. She’d passively incite her fanbase of flying monkeys to go harass anyone who spoke critically about her music and then when confronted about it, take no responsibility for her stirring of the pot and lean further into her victim
I think the Shay the anon meant was the one in the screenshot, not ghost.
I do agree that vague-tweeting and not talking about the problem directly is quite annoying. They say it's because they don't want these people to be harassed but how the hell is the community supposed to know who to avoid/hold accountable then? And how the hell are we supposed to know who to laugh at?! They're making everything needlessly complicated.
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Pretty much. Except now no one can access Vocallouts’ twitter cause they literally deleted their account. At least keep your shit up, hiding it is more suspicious.
Ghost did say something about a wip that leaked and was circulating from their Patreon (?) idk how much that really matters their old songs being leaked and reuploaded is nothing new