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Misspelled in the last OP.
>Of Herbs and Alters
If you copied the last OP, why the misspelling?
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The top comments on IBF's Matthias picture kek
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They both can't stop wonting freebies.
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Has she got a flat any milk
That’s her Leipzig flat which she needs to leave empty, clean, and not painted black.
German flats usually don’t come with kitchens installed, so you have to take yours with you or get rid of it when you leave.
I've begun to wonder, how did she gain/keep so much weight with all the stress from the situation? Physically moving all of her items to/from storage, redoing the entire apartment by herself(I presume including repairs from hanging stuff, priming, painting, etc)…
Like..how is she still chubby? Trying to move from Germany to Edinburgh would stress me to the point of not eating, plus physically doing the activity to fix the apartment, PLUS going to festivals/walking a lot…am I just underestimating how much she ate in NZ with Mr Owl?
She's stress eating junk food between energy drinks and energy drinks are just caffeine and sugar
Would make anyone fat
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I can't deal with this guy anymore. he must be a laughing stock in Belfast. He can fly to Barcelona too and he won't be accepted there either.
does Kaya not get to use her attic anymore? Jake wouldn't help her fix it up but is fine using the space for his videos
Kaya is lazy and took her /months/ to clean the attic to a state that was filmable only for Jake to hijack it.
doesn't he have his own filming room??
There're sugar free versions of energy drinks.>>823347
One day he's going to look back on these videos and be deeply embarrassed. Saying that, it's usually when we're finding our own identity around 13 years old we're supposed to look back and cringe.
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does anyone know that annoying girl on tiktok that cosplays as different anime characters and then moves like a cartoon in her videos?
it really seems like Jake watched her stuff and tried to copy it. why is he always so weird animated
All I can think is "his hands are going to age SO BADLY if he continues putting body paint, latex and other aesthetic shit all over them"
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who I think of everytime he does that weird slouched back pose in his videos
That's so embarrassing
Almost 50 year old woman:
"Idk, like, (giggles) Jake is so freaking
awesome! Like, he does this thing, and his like, looks, and stuff and like, everything he does is, like, so me! giggles
SO freaking cool! He's, like, so cool." Over and over for nearly 6 minutes.
I have to say, this kind of people makes me feel embarrassed to look like a goth sometimes, because I am completely aware that that's how almost everyone sees us, even other alternative people. Our image is the worst… our subculture was hijacked by a bunch of stupid people who liked the "dark" look (and not even the same look as we do), discarded our music and went about substituting everything they didn't like to fit their tastes, leaving only the name goth
and a vague association with """heavy""" music. The media helped spread this view, new people came thinking this was the real deal and here we are, the most
unorganized, inconsistent, bastardized subculture of all. We came to a point where we can't even point these shit out or we are accused of being gatekeepers and elitists. We have to behave as the most caring, understanding, etc with those who shit on the whole thing.
Which reminds me of that pathethic comment the Count left at one of TTs videos trying to be nice to her after talking shit about her channel (and rightly) lots of times. That's what I'm talking about: we can't even dislike people who bastardize the subculture, we have to extra nice and caring to everyone. Which other subculture is like this? None. You just have to like the stuff associated with it and follow a few "rules" (more like standards, maybe".
>>823539>That's what I'm talking about: we can't even dislike people who bastardize the subculture, we have to extra nice and caring to everyone. Which other subculture is like this? None.
I'm so happy someone finally fucking said it. We have to kiss these people's ass or say "w-well at least they're nice" when they're shitting up the scene. When we call them out, other goths call us elitists and ~gatekeeperzZz~. It's ridiculous, metalheads freely call these people out, rap fans freely call these people out, but goths? We're automatically elitists, bullies, and whiny.
>this kind of people makes me feel embarrassed to look like a goth sometimes, because I am completely aware that that's how almost everyone sees us, even other alternative people. Our image is the worst… our subculture was hijacked by a bunch of stupid people who liked the "dark" look (and not even the same look as we do)
They all look like shit too, it's inauthentic. It's why they have to go overboard with their look because they so desperately want to be seen as a goff. It's why I don't believe goth fashion exists, the "look" is brought on by the music, it evolves with it as well. It's why brands like Killstar exist, they have to have what they think is goth in a box because they don't have the music to influence them as they all hate it.
Anon don't worry, most other alt people know these people are fake and call them out for us. They shouldn't have to, but they do. >>823402
Mid-life crisis is truly a bitch. I bet she was one of the Mansonites from the 90s and could never fully kick it to the curb because she has no real personality. >>823089>Marilyn Manson (who ripped off Rozz Willams)
I thought I was the only one who noticed this, it's well known he got his look from some dark alt guy who used to be in his band, Manson acted way too similar to Rozz onstage, It's also interesting that Manson's band only got popular once he adopted themes from Christian Death. >>823306>Why is she still chubby??
Her fans are probably feeding her lmao, they were begging her to live with them so I wouldn't doubt they would be buying her food.
Yes there are sugar-free but instead of sugar they have shit sweeteners that have been shown to be just as bad. Especially in someone who drinks them like mad and also eats garbage food.
I remember IBF saying before that she is a stress eater. She also has a very unfortunate body type where all her weight goes to her boobs and stomach. Her arms and legs stay pretty average yet her breasts and torso get huge. She drinks a lot too, despite what she tries to lead people to believe. And she drinks those fruity sweet drinks…full of sugar. Combine all this with the fact she's lazy and """broke""". She's shoving her face with cheap easy-to-make junk and booze and energy drinks. Painting an apartment (which isn't nearly as hard as the dramatic dumbasses in these threads make it seem) isn't going to make her lose her gut which she's had for years. All this stress is just making it worse.
The thing about IBF that makes me so angry is that she just creates her own problems. She's on benzos and she's always talking about how she has a panic disorder. Bitch you have a panic disorder because you have ZERO stability and fly by the seat of your pants. If you actually stood still and planted some roots and dealt with your problems ya wouldn't need to shove your face with valium and chocolate.
>>823195> What the f else will she do a video on if not that?
Well H A U L Videos of course! /s>>823207
Thank the stars some of her fans are wising up a little bit. Looks like the charade is starting to crack a bit. >>823306
Stress eating and drinking. We know she has a sweet tooth and it can spring up more likely when you're under stress and with her failed sham marriage, moving deadlines, and the traveling, she was/has been probably eating some not so good stuff by the dozens and it's not like she was all that active before. It just looked that way because she would use certain camera angles to mask her true weight.>>823539
Oh anon you're so on the money with this one and it hurts the soul lol However personally, I don't bend over backwards and accept all this bullshit. I used to want to be super inviting and patient with these people who bastardize what Goth truly is but as soon as they started calling real Goths "Elitists" and "Gatekeepers", I put my foot down. I'm still relatively patient but I don't tolerate bullshit anymore. I will call a spade a spade and don't care if I get called an elitist because I know I'm not one.
I'm especially disappointed with The Count for being that spineless. It's not like what he and he others said during the Gothquisition segment wasn't true because It totally is. Toxic
Tears, Jake Munroe, and all the others like them make a mockery of our subculture and they bloody know it. They aren't Goths, they never were Goths and all they do is bring second-hand embarrassment for real Goths.
As far as I know, he's the only one who did that and I just hope the others who were on that segment don't keel over and do the same. >>823576
> I'm so happy someone finally fucking said it. We have to kiss these people's ass or say "w-well at least they're nice" when they're shitting up the scene. When we call them out, other goths call us elitists and ~gatekeeperzZz~. It's ridiculous, metalheads freely call these people out, rap fans freely call these people out, but goths? We're automatically elitists, bullies, and whiny.
FFR, The Ruadhain 1334 situation was a great example of this. The moment an actual Goth steps out and calls these people out on their bullshit, in come the swarm of "You're a jealous bully" or "Elitist!" comment storm.
They all look like shit too, it's inauthentic. It's why they have to go overboard with their look because they so desperately want to be seen as a goff. It's why I don't believe goth fashion exists, the "look" is brought on by the music, it evolves with it as well. It's why brands like Killstar exist, they have to have what they think is goth in a box because they don't have the music to influence them as they all hate it.
Exactly. I look at these people and "Goth" is not the thing that comes to my mind. At this point, I have a certain image in my head when I think of "Goth" and certain placeholders that make me think it. Simply having dark eye makeup, unnatural hair color, wearing pentacles or Baphomet, white eye contacts, and/or looks that are "in a box" sorta speak, "Goth" isn't what comes to mind. It's usually "Alternative" or at the worse, a "poser" if these people are calling themselves Goth and show they don't like actual Goth music.
And it's true that most real Goths don't go out of their way to look over the top in day to day life. We're comfortable showing our nod to dark fashion and actual Goth fashion (inspired by the music) without going to the extremes. To give some context. When I look at someone like Black Widow Sanctuary, my mind thinks "Goth". When I look at someone like Kaya or Jake, I think Poser MallGoth. One looks refined and put together (Black Widow Sanctuary), the other looks mismatched and doing so for the sake of it.
just as others on this thread have mentioned, she eats lots of sugar. We get a glance at her eating habits in her vlogs and snapchat posts. In one video, she had a mocktail, shaved ice, and a tall sundae all in one dinner.>>823539
As a wise woman once said: "Black lipstick isn't a personality!!">>824251
agreed. I admire that Ruadhan had the guts to call out the gOFf qUeEn herself, but he seems very emotionally unstable. One time he got really triggered
over the fact that I said people should get a job if they really need money. He wanted to debate about the automation of jobs and I was like …bye! I'm not trying to argue online
Hm I see. I haven't seen many of his videos outside of the call out video and his contribution to the Project Playlist Music tag so I don't know a whole lot about him. I was just using him as an example of what happens when someone calls out the big 3. It turned into a shit show, even Dorian's attention-whoring ass got in on it referring to him as "The little angry man". >>824287
I will admit that he really did ramble in that video and it didn't help it any. He really should've scripted himself or something because rambling in topics like that is something you absolutely don't want to do. I guess I just let it slide because I watched that video as background noise picking up on the important relevant parts and I thought it was cool that someone actually stood up to them even if it was in a unfavorable way. Because no one else would call these people out. The only time there was any fight back was the Snowy Lowether situation where Angela Benedict responded back to her video which caused a mini storm but people were supporting Angela (thankfully). I feel like if Angela called out the big 3, it would be better received but she's not a drama person and it's for the best that she doesn't.>>824290
I think what doesn't help is his thumbnails aren't eye-catching at all. If you want to increase the likeliness of having someone watch your video, a good thumbnail goes a long way.
Yeah I couldn't make it to the end of his video, I had him as background noise too, but he started shouting about his mail being late, and something about his meds and other random shit. He reminded me of a rabid dog in that video and I couldn't take him seriously. When I started checking this thread more regularly I was surprised that he isn't one of the lolcows talked about here.
I did happen to try and watch a few of his videos after that, because I thought he had some interesting info and opinions about music and stuff. When he talks about music and hobby related stuff he sounds sane and has some good info. But other videos you can see he is clearly unhinged and drama-filled.
There is actually one video where he complains about TT. I guess YouTubers were doing a goth tag or something and he basically complains that he didn't see anyone else doing a goth tag when he decided to do it. Then complained that TT made a video doing a goth tag some time after he did. He said in TT's video she said that it was an idea or something she hadn't seen anyone else do. He basically implies that TT stole the idea from him and decided to use it, and now a bigger channel is hurting a little Channel like his for stealing or using the idea and claiming it as their own. It was something along those lines.
I think that maybe he has potential to be a better Channel, but he's got bigger mental issues to worry about.
“… but he's got bigger mental issues to worry about.”
Don’t they all?
I wonder if any psych researchers are studying the weird personality traits that seem to affect almost every vlogger/influencer. I would love to read that paper.
Again, not disagreeing that he really came off unpolished and scatterbrained when he rambled on unnecessary things that had nothing to do with the topic *the mail and the meds" but yeah, he was pretty good in the Project Playlist video talking about Rozz Williams (even if it too was a long video). He just needs to stay on topic and not ramble, that would help his content if that is a regular thing he does.
And I just watched that TT video. I'm not sure if he was the one who really started the tag but I don't think TT was the first one to come up with it neither. That outdated tag was around even before TT was a thing on YouTube. I remember Kill Natalie did it and she was around much before she was.
There is absolutely nothing ASMR about that video.
But whats new? Not like he hasn't used incorrect tags/titles before for view grabs
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Need to watch .he need helpe .
dude can't even read properly lmao
He has the stamina and attention span of a toddler.
Hahahaha I wonder if Jake lurks here, anons? If he starts asking his fan girls to pay to have a story written about them then we will know for sure. I bet " mom Raven" will be the first to sponsor this "absolute legend" and his " ASMR" talents LOL.
How can we "scientifically" determine if Ruadhan 1334 is a cow or not? Yes, he is unquestionably a Goth, but wasn't IBF at least in her early YT career once considered
a sincere Goth, even by the likes of grand poohbah ,the count? Before IBF got spoiled by all her suck up fans and totally sold out and became a shilling machine. Conversely, Kaya was probably doing YT exclusively as a business from day 1. Because she appears ( an act?)more " sweet and vulnerable" she got off lightly in all the drama about goth sellout channels.
Everyone has their own opinion on how to define a cow and I'm all ears. I don't have all the answers on the birth process of a prize cow. By any standard Ruadhan is super milky. A lot of his cow traits could be down to turbo autism, but conversely Dorian is also an autist and no one don'ts she is a cow with bells on.
IMHO it tends to be about 3 factors: does the potential cow clearly want to be an underground celebrity(rather than just doing an embarrassing, cringe fest YT channel to have someone to talk to a la mom raven), 2) does the potential cow have a smug or arrogant attitude and 3)do they ebeg heavily? These traits can take time to develop as the person gains subs and butt lickers as well as loads of free merchandise which emboldens their sense of superiority.
The para social relationships aspect is key too.Does the cow seem to be making FANS rather than equal friendships?
Ruadhan has stepped up his Ebegging recently, saying he will publish a birthday wish list. He is keen to increase his subs too, stating he wanted to get back up to over a thousand.
It's early days but if he isn't a cow now he could start growing udders quite soon.
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Jake really thinks he's pushing boundaries or being so unique dressing this way.
We get a lot of people like Jake and Kaya in Ireland. Young kids will sometimes stare and might say something but for the most part no one gives two fucks.
Jake seems to think he's brave by stepping out while looking like this.
He looks god awful but that's because he's style is all over the place
Like I said, I haven't watched any of his other videos outside of the IBF rant, TT rant, and the Project Playlist Tag video. But since this is on IBF, has he made other videos on her since that rant? Because then I would consider that hyper-fixation but if he just did like one video on her, I don't see how that would count unlike say someone who makes like 15-16 videos on someone like Onision (I mean the amount of videos being made on one person). >>825109
Would anyone really be surprised that it hasn't changed and may in fact start dropping? She makes shit content, nothing more nothing less and no one is gonna wanna stick around watching an aging poser who keeps whinging about things that are in her control.>>825148> How can we "scientifically" determine if Ruadhan 1334 is a cow or not? Yes, he is unquestionably a Goth, but wasn't IBF at least in her early YT career once considered
a sincere Goth, even by the likes of grand poohbah ,the count? Before IBF got spoiled by all her suck up fans and totally sold out and became a shilling machine. Conversely, Kaya was probably doing YT exclusively as a business from day 1. Because she appears ( an act?)more " sweet and vulnerable" she got off lightly in all the drama about goth sellout channels.
Hmm I think you may be right but for all we know, maybe IBF was always a cow but not many people picked up on it because of her look. I discovered IBF back in 2013-2014 when she was with Mr. Owl the first time and they seemed like a simple, cute little Goth couple. They played Goth music in the background and hey would do harmless little challenges. But towards the end of their relationship, her channel spiked in popularity and when she went to WGT where she met Matthias and announced her move, this is when the downfall started in my memory. The wedding scam, the e-begging, the self-victimhood (The Louvre incident, The French graveyard, being detained in the UK, etc.). It's just hard to know if IBF was always a cow through and through but just didn't have the resources (fans) to let her cowness show early on.
And I think personally that the requirement to being a cow is being a constant e-begger, refusing to take responsibility for your actions, arrogant/smug attitude, and/or lack of social awareness.
And you're right that Ruadhain can easily become a cow if he doesn't get a handle on himself. I'm hearing so many people ranting about him in this thread so something must be up. But it's funny because they say that fame can go to someone's head and make them into a cow yet Angela Benedict recently reached 60,000 subs and she still seems more or less the same. She doesn't e-beg, she doesn't come off as arrogant (just nostalgic for the past), and she's not whoring herself out to the Goff brands or signaling to get free stuff (considering the giveaways. TT & IBF have never done giveaways). Do you think it might be because Angela has a full-time job and doesn't need to rely on e-begging?
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could still see them, lel.
the way he edits the thumbnails/ig pix versus when you actually see the look in the video is hilarious. he's also mentioned wanting to do ~goth~ versions of characters and is already planning to do the joker, like that hasn't been played out. he wants to stream on youtube and have ppl use the superchat, so that's another way of getting his idiotic viewers to give him money, they needs it for the move.
meanwhile kaya is complaining on twitter about how much effort it is to film. like, that's what you do for youtube, it's not that fucking hard. she doesn't even have to get super dressed up, just put on decent clothes, don't film the face and get shit done.>>825324
t-shirts eh, i bet it's going to be his stupid face like anyone outside his little follower circle would recognize him.
Jake is definitely the worst for herding idiotic followers into paying him, using every avenue available. No shame, total snake oil salesmen. No different to those tv evangelists back in the 80s who would emotionally manipulate lonely, low income folks into sending them cash by appearing to care about them and their problems.
Jake's money grab video was just painful, he has the entitled arrogance side more than covered.
He mentioned a "cool, new YT feature" that he can't access yet. He is referring to the "join" feature, I believe it's $25 a month(?). Not sure how it differs from Patreon. Anyway to grab cash that exists, Jake will jump on it hard.
I can not stand Kaya or Freya, but both are just coasting now as sad, stupid people continue to give them money/ gifts and look up to them. It's a different world: one that exploits naive, not very bright, vulnerable people, a world that I don't want to think about as it's so depressing.
Any of these cows fans reading this( unlikely but, you never know),FFS make a friend and/ or find a bf IRL, give a gift of Jeffree star lipstick to them, not Jake. He isn't your bf or friend and never will be. Build mutual friendships. That goes for any of the cows, even the smaller channel cows ( Ruadhuan), stop sending them gifts. It's ALL about them gaining fans, supporters ,followers. They are milking you.
There is the small goth community minded channel YT world ( example channels: the kilted goth, mom Raven, midnight owl, diy darkling, probably many others that I don't know, any recommendations ?)where people do communicate on a mutual friendship basis. Lots of equal communication possible in comments section, rather than fawning fans. From what I've seen it seems a very different vibe than the folks trying to do YT as a career. These community oriented channels would suit people who might be tempted to reach out to these supposed goth influencers with gifts/ cash.The small channels do have meet up with others and their goal is to communicate, and socialize.Not to become underground celebrities.
Start a small channel and make friends that way if there is no one locally that floats yr boat.Rather than wasting yr hard earned money on ingrates like Jake, TT, IBF.
Angela hasn't ever been a "full cow" IMO. I think Ruadhuan and Dorian come off bonkers at worst/totally self involved autists at best and aren't very positive examples of a goth individual over 30.Angela is. Other than shilling for Shein a couple of times(got to have been for a cash payout, as well as the free clothes.Shein clothes are super cheap to buy and she isn't broke.)
As the other Anon mentioned a key point is there is often a clear difference between cows who have other sources of income than YT. They are more likely doing YT for fun etc.
Mom raven was just mentioned here as a jake lover.
No one should be watching that shit
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And many more of these so-called funny pictures.
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If there is no proof of IBF being racist - then why accuse her? That makes no sense. If that was made up - someone owes her an apology.
And about comment section - it's a strange idea to me to suggest that grown up people need to be watched by channel owner for what they post in comment section.
He never actually said. When IBF confronted him about it he said something like "Oh, you know what I'm talking about, and so do your Maori neighbors" (might not have been his exact words but pretty close). No one knows what he meant by that, if he's saying that white people in NZ are generally racist for living their because Maori already lived there, or if Freyja specifically said something racist about Maori people, Ruadhan never elaborated on what he meant (as far as I know) so we will never know.
Another person on this thread accused her of being racist because she uses a DIY skin scrub that contains lemon juice which can bleach your skin- mostly so it will get rid of her freckles, but also she wants to look pale like a corpse to be goff. I think that's a massive reach to say anyone who does any kind of mild skin lightening is racist, especially because darkening your skin is also considered racist.
And I don't like Freyja, I think she's a two faced scamming turbo cunt, but there really is no hard evidence that she's racist.>>825756
Yes, because people NEVER get accused of things they're not actually guilty of, right? Especially when it's someone they don't like, and would want to hurt their reputation! I mean that never happens. It couldn't happen. It's impossible!
Like Rhuadan is a perfect unbiased person in regards to IBF hahahah
How on earth this dude will know her relationship with neighbors back in new zealand? Possible? Technically someone could have told him but he has such a hate boner for her that it just seems like he is seeing too much in something she's said that has nothing to do with race.
If she really is racist, which I have never see her be, then he should spill the beans. If he actually knew anything, he would have said, the guy just can't
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is right, it says absolutely nothing.
Do you really think youtubers have to read every single comment on every single one of their videos and moderate it like a forum? Every comment section is the sewage of the internet, you'll find the worst of the worst there. If you had hundreds of comments on a video you'd done, would you read every single one?
I think Rhuadan took this out of his ass and now people are grasping at straws to prove it (maybe is rhuadan himself?)
'Do you really think youtubers have to read every single comment on every single one of their videos and moderate it like a forum?'
Jake certainly does
He tried to claim Freyja is racist because she's white and from NZ, which obviously
means she's stealing Maori people's land. He's fucking insane, I don't know why people take that tranny seriously. >>825873
I wouldn't doubt he is jealous of her, also don't know why that video got hyped up in the thread when it came out. All he did was regurgitate what other anons have been saying for years on YouTube.
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These people need help .
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She wonts this for free .get a job
For the most part, well said Anon. Jake, Kaya, and Freya don't deserve the fawning and adoration they get from young, impressionable, and maybe even lonely people whose acts of generosity will never be enough to these selfish, lazy, self-absorbed ingrates. Their money and gifts are better spent on friends, family, or the smaller channels that do make an effort to reach out to those that watch them and treat them as equals instead of pay-pigs or meal tickets.>>825537
Yeah… And the fact that she thinks he's Goth kek. I'm willing to bet she is a mallcore person just like they are. If I'm wrong and she's actually a real Goth (I.E listens to actual Goth music) please do let me know and I'll take that back but I don't know any sane Goth who actually praises him or Kaya.>>825621
Agreed. IBF is already unlikable as is, there is no sense in piling on things that aren't true of her (racist). I doubt she is and racist by association is stupid.>>826050
Yes and as IBF continues to age and make stupid decisions despite better judgement, the cash-flow is gonna cease and whatever hundreds she is making from Patreon will dry up to maybe 60 bucks a month and she will start moaning "whoa is me" about her life (if she doesn't jusut get with Mr. Owl and use him for his financial security).>>826126
It blew up because even though everything he said (minus the racist shit) has been said here, no one had put her on full blast on YouTube. Yeah she was mentioned in Cemetery Confessions but not like this. That is why it blew up.
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No one is doing this, it's interesting these autistic comments come after someone says they don't know any goths who praise Kaya and Jake. I don't know why people bother trying to defend themselves/their "faves" here. Just ignore the thread. There's an option to hide the entire thread, in fact. >>826624
Angela is wasting her time, a lot of her fans just seem to be drawn to her 90s goth nostalgia videos, and ask her stupid questions all the time instead of Googling.
It took me like 5 minutes thinking I was crazy because I didn't understood a thing of what you are talking about, who the fuck was CC, etc. Before I realized
How will anyone know you were talking about the last (i assume) ep of cemetry confessions. You just look like someone barged into a room giving an opinion/rant on a topic no one was talking about
I didn't yet listen to last episode of CC. I was referring to things shared on their FB. But some undertones in podcasts indeed also fit here. I see them as going systematically deeper and deeper into politics and kinda see their tendency to say that "goth is more than music" as a tool of further politicization of podcasts. It could be problematic
direction as goth people are highly diverse politically.
>>826644>Angela is wasting her time
Eh who knows? I feel like she genuinely likes interacting with people. I went into one of her last livestreams (one before the 60k one) and she was responding and chatting with everyone. She seemed to be having a good time.>>826661
Same anon. One thing that always annoyed me about Cemetery Confessions is how he tries to make Goth to be this political and philosophical thing. Goth is about music, it's really not that deep lol.
I don't think it's a big deal that he wants to talk about politics but stop tying it to Goth because it's just stupid.>>826678
That's obnoxious. A Non-Goth trying to school Goths on how to be Goth, it's poetic lol.
>>826678>On the podcast it was also heavily political. Some rivethead guy saying if you weren't a political goth you're a poseur. Despite him not being goth at all.
I don't see how being political is a requirement to be goth. I also wonder if being political means to him sharing exactly his political views - or do he accept some at least minimal diversity there.
>I get it, goth is music-based and sure there is more to it but that evolves with the music.
And that evolution differes depending on the part of the world. European scenes are very different in every country.
>No1curr about their politics. Even by listening to that podcast you can tell the people he's interviewing are wannabe communists.
I wouldn't call all their guests communists, but certainly you see among them people more to the left than center-left is.
>I don't know where these people get this idea that communists were hippies who loved everyone they were racist and anti-LGBT.
As a person from former Soviet Bloc I can confirm that - I even dare to say communist times actually made LGBT situation worse especially in Russia. Also see Western communists icon - Che Gevara who was sadist, murderer, rapist and homophobe. Also Karl Marx in his articles mentioned at least few times that introduction of communism requires violence. But let's be honest - how many of wannabe communists actually read works of Marx?
And fun fact - huge portion of goth music from communist era Eastern Europe (and my dear goth music was huge there but music of scenes there are mostly unknown to the Western goths, which is sad as they created many true gems of goth music) has numerous ant-communist messages more or less openly presented in lyrics. But you can also get "not so left wing" christian themes in western goth bands. I wonder what political influences has goth music in Asia and Africa. It's not like one single political ideology owns (or ever owned) goth music. Negation of that fact is deluding yourself.
Many people listen to bands whose members happen to have different political views that their and can still enjoy their works if they are creative. People often don't use political key in liking art. We often don't know views of many artists we enjoy both in music and outside of music.
>>826697>Same anon. One thing that always annoyed me about Cemetery Confessions is how he tries to make Goth to be this political and philosophical thing. Goth is about music, it's really not that deep lol.
It was certainly sound that brought many people to the music. Especially in countries where many people don't understand a single English word.
>I don't think it's a big deal that he wants to talk about politics but stop tying it to Goth because it's just stupid.
Yes, he has right to have his own views (I hope they are his own, not mindless repeating views of other). But I would rather deny him (and everyone else) a right to tie just a single political movement to the goth. It would be a shameless kidnapping of diverse subculture. I don't mean here all goth is political - just some songs have occasional political content in them. Political stuff is just one of many themes. Exactly like in most art related creations.
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Dorian regularly posts pics and videos "looking like a potato".
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Some of the comments under Dorian's new video.
Her subscribers are clearly enabling her.
I get it, it's nice that she's happier nowadays than she was before and doing better in general, but lately her behaviour is downright manic.
I genuinely like her as a person despite all of her flaws and I was really concerned for her last year in the midst of all the drinking and weight gain and angst, but while she seems happier, she doesn't seem better mentally at all. She appears erratic, random, even more rambling than usual and I am concerned again for polar opposite reasons.
God I really hope she gets help. She appears to be a smart and interesting person, but this is just sad to watch.
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As if we give a fuck Jake .
Well, she is of the contingent of English who are nutty about observing the Solstice. Look at Stonehenge. But yeah, riding a manic crest.
The fashion show continues on her Instagram. I can't imagine more than twenty percent of her wardrobe making it outside her house.
I forgot what she looks like when she has no full makeup on, the no eyebrows thing always irks me lol. >>827039
I have a good feeling she will at some point since a big contribution to Etika's death was his mental illness.
She appears to have enablers both in real life and online. The amount of whiskey she drank during her bloated alco phase had me wondering exactly how she could afford it. Bottle of J Daniels a day?? No going cheap on the brand even. Who paid for all that waste?
I honestly think that if she had to live independently away from parents she'd be forced to see what real life is and either get her shit together or learn some hard lessons from it. She's been manic the last few months and there's nothing cute about it. God help her long suffering mother who'll never get that empty nest. What does the step dad make of living with miss nocturnal-mania? She talks about meds all the time but they obviously need adjusting
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she rambled on about things here and there but agree this was a nice video and she should do this more often, even if she can't always go outside with the final look.
meanwhile jake has another video talking about being goth when he's not. seems to be going for quantity with this upload schedule b/c he likes to hear himself talk.
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he mentioned at least twice during the years that he is not 100% hetero
and was also cracking a joke in one of old makeup tutorial more or less that way - "now all boys are yours because girls don't really like men in makeup"
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Theses people need help .
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>>827740> meanwhile jake has another video talking about being goth when he's not. seems to be going for quantity with this upload schedule b/c he likes to hear himself talk.
I never watch his videos these days but I'm surprised he's still farting out this stupid notion. How is he justifying his "gothness"? And yeah, I keep seeing his videos pop up in my feeds so he seems to be uploading as much as he can.>>827769
Betting it's going to be another haul, unboxing, or makeup video.
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Look other free hat from killstar
FFS IBF shouldn't be allowed to buy pets at all. Her actions all scream animal neglect, she is garbage.>>827890>>827891
Reposting brown nosing fans and circle jerking, Jake started digging after hitting rock bottom.
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isnt't 800 euro kinda cheap for such big apartment in Germany?>>828346
nitpicking/10, would you prefer 100% killstahr?
Now that comment received likes. At least a few people have some commonsense, a rarity among her braindead followers. Ngl, l'm really sad for all her pets.
Why did she wait until she's on the brink of getting kicked out of Germany? Again, WGT and other goff festivities are her top priority.
She's such a ~responsible adult~
17 years olds with kids hve ben on the low sense see was 17 tho>>828714
Karen mum is a scotish nationalist. freyia is a 1 hrself
is why Fri usid a fem prfix on hr Las name(pure autism)
What's interesting to me is that shortly after posting the "chat" video where she talks about her passport and the UK government reviewing her status, she took a weeks long trip around Ireland and Scotland.
So whatever happened they clearly re-evaluated her status and at the very least are permitting her to enter as a tourist. In theory this means if she can prove she can contribute to the economy/actually find legit work in the UK she might be allowed back in. Shit she might even try the study route if she has any braincells left - NZ is a part of the comomnwealth so I can't imagine it would be too hard for her to explain "I studied in NZ, I want to further my film education in the UK"
as far as her animals go, I'm livid about the poor things. I took ownership of my brothers' bird when he left for college. There's NO WAY she would have survived the stress of being "baby-sat semi long term". she would have died from stress impacting her eating and potentially self harmed(feather pulling is a real danger with stressed out birds). Those poor Budgies deserve a stable life with someone who cares for them
Same. And then she has the gall to complain about lack of closet space. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Killstar fan but even I can see that the clothes are going to waste since she hardly wears the stuff and they just collect dust. She could easily just sell the stuff she doesn't need and make some side income but muh hoarding lol.>>828610
It's kind of a double standard when you think about it. If this were a guy her age doing the same thing, people would be asking the "when are you moving out" question but if it's a woman… Not so much. I'd understand if she had something going for her at least but she doesn't. >>828624
This is just a good example of why she shouldn't have pets. If she's going to be handling/treating them like this, she shouldn't have them and the pets deserve better. >>828644
Because they know if they even question her, they'll get dog-piled on by her enabling super fans. >>828714> Count your blessings that Mr.Owl is still around, Freya.
This is the thing that really irks the hell out of me. How in the world is Mr. Owl this patient with her? She left him once before and she's trying to do it again. Either he's a hopeless fool in love or he's that much of a doormat. No sane person would put up with a situation like this for as long as he has.
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>>829080>Because they know if they even question her, they'll get dog-piled on by her enabling super fans.
The tide has begun turning. Once those fans become actual adults, they'll begin to notice how pathetic this 32-year-old and her country-hopping is. >>829091
Reminds of people from San Diego CA. They'd rather be poor and living in their cars than moving to a cheaper city, because sAn dIeGo. Same thing with Freeza. She's rather be struggling in a country on the opposite side of the globe over having the stability she claims she desires in NZ, because g0Ff
Are these people fucking serious? Jake an expert in "Goth"? Lmao. These people are just as delusional as he is and they are gonna learn nothing. >>829343> The tide has begun turning. Once those fans become actual adults, they'll begin to notice how pathetic this 32-year-old and her country-hopping is.
I suppose you're right. I think her younger fans who treat her like an idol or role model are gonna see just how self-sabotaging she is when they move from home and begin working or going to school and will realize that she's nothing but a lazy cow.
> Reminds of people from San Diego CA. They'd rather be poor and living in their cars than moving to a cheaper city, because sAn dIeGo. Same thing with Freeza. She's rather be struggling in a country on the opposite side of the globe over having the stability she claims she desires in NZ, because g0Ff
Hm fair point but at least the people who struggle in that situation at least do things to try to help the situation like get a job. Not saying it's any better and the mature thing would be to live within your means and if that means moving to a cheaper, affordable city, then it should be done but IBF isn't even trying to develop stability with the refusal of getting an actual job to support herself living in an expensive city.
She needs to face it. Her Goff Queen days are over and she's gonna be lucky if she's still relevant in may 2 years tops.>>829389> Jake and Kaya in 2020
"We're thinking of moving to California!"
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OT but some people's mouths just can't hold makeup there properly, like if they have an overbite.
Or they just don't know what they're doing
Sounds like they broke up to me. Let's fetch popcorn and keep watching.>>829996
kek IBF can't do shit by herself and complains about it online… again. Some banks even have machines, you just dump your pennies in them. Guess everything is hard if she is too lazy to learn a tiny amount of German.
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someone teach Jake about skin care.
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I can't believe Jake wastes so much money on makeup and liquid latex just to sit inside all day wearing it.
he honestly looks like he smells like shit too
At least his shirt is telling the truth.
He looked so much better without the shit makeup, the only upside about his black neck body paint is that it looks less fat. For somebody that thinks he's fit he looks so dough-y
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The anon who talked in the previous thread, about mai magi receiving an inheritance to buy the house was spot on.
laughing so hard that he had a reaction to it so hasn't been wearing it.
these extensions or whatever he's been sporting look really cheap, and i was not prepared for the unshaven, little makeup look for today's video.
told you so.
manic moth's clothing store is a trainwreck behind the scenes. The supplier she complained about dropped her for being a nasty customer who yells at them. Plus rumors about lawsuits.
It's gonna be fun if a fraction of this is true.
Thanks for the laugh, anon.
I previously read here that she was well known for her anger management issues, so if this turns out to be true, l wouldn't be surprised. At all.
I'm german and already went to the bank with much bigger bags of coins, this is absolutely no problem (just a bit embarrassing). You don't have to roll them up neatly or put them into the counting machine yourself either.
People working in banks do speak english too, so my guess is, that she didn't receive help immediately/didn't know what to do and quickly ran off again like the chicken she is. (or maybe they thought she's a beggar kek)
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He not to broke for this ..
Wow, tickets are £40 each so x 2, x2 sets of flights and hotel room….
hahahaha that burns
I was a former patron of him and stopped when I came here found out how much money they actually made through twitch and how they said they were going to go on a "graveyard date" for 500$ and then never did, yet kept whining on youtube about being broke.
Ah okay, that's what the problem was. I've never personally converted different currencies in person so I wasn't exactly sure what the problem was but woof, it's just another case of IBF being a fucking lazy cow. She has no job or prior engagements so she could find the time to just roll the coins or use one of the machines to do it. >>830826
Because she never bothered to learn how to speak it competently. It's obvious that because she would only go out mostly with Mattias, she would just have him be the translator. >>830951
190-200+? Holy mother lol What a bunch of suckers the fans are but eh… I suppose his fans are getting their money's worth since he does somewhat varied content (even if it's shitty content). >>830969
Better late than never to see you were wasting your money on two ingrates who don't need nor deserve it.
I follow this seller on Etsy - their hats are works of art that are NOT cheap. TT & Jake disgust me with how shitty they treat their money.
Budget software is a fucking thing. People are (sadly) paying you for your shitty content. At least budget and use it appropriately.
This anon has it right >>830977
She relied on Matt to do everything and after they split she basically became a shut in. She comes across as potentially conversationally fluent online because she uses google translate or deepl.
She is an extremely anxious person who needs therapy and some adulting skills, not benzos and handouts from mommy and her fans. Yes, she’s a cow who uses people and treats her pets as fashion accessories, but I really hope she doesn’t end up under a bridge or in jail due to immigration violations. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
>but I really hope she doesn’t end up under a bridge or in jail due to immigration violations. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
Me too Anon. Unfortunately, at this rate she’s going to end up like Margo, festering in detention, homeless, and broke, if she doesn’t get things in order and stop trying to magically live in another country.
It honestly makes me wonder sometimes what deeper issues she could be dealing with. Is it her mother, like one anon mentioned? Or is she just stupid?
You’re absolutely correct. They are the laughing stock of Belfast. There is a “goth scene” in Belfast, despite what they both protest, as If they are some how the only alternative people who “dare” to be different que long eyeroll
Jake and kaya haven’t been to one alt event since 2011, if not, before that. They don’t go to pride marches, gigs, local events such as “Meltdown” or to Voodoo for any alt events or music events, they don’t support their local scene at all nor involve themselves in it in any way. Both Jake and kaya contribute nothing to the scene and yet complain and belittle the alt community of Belfast by telling people that there isn’t one. They don’t have a following in Belfast (or anywhere else) of viewers over the age of 18. Kaya hates going out with Jake as there have been occasions he has been slimey and flirtatious with other girls, it’s embarrassing how kaya is impossibly jealous of other women. Kaya is not a girls girl, hence why she constantly complains of not having friends or knowing anyone here (remember Vox? Gone. What happened to the skinny pretty girl who Jake laughed with more and gave more attention to? Clearly kaya had a hand in her no longer being their editor). Throughout kayas life she has picked fights and copied alt girls of Belfast and of vampire freaks, including tattoos which I posted a few threads back and people were shocked by the similarities of the tattoos she supposedly “drew up herself”. Also, kayas recent viewing figures barely reach 10k so her following is slowly but surely waning, which she deserves for boring , half assed content she produces. I honestly do hope they both leave Belfast because I’m sick of them both running it down when they barely leave their fucking houses to see the real Belfast, were alt people hang out and socialise.
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He getting lazy other of Jake's bingo .
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hi, I'm that anon
I used to watch their gaming channel way back in the day when John was still on it and I really enjoyed it. then more recently Jake was trying to start a band and go touring and stuff which I thought seemed really cool even though I didn't think his music was very good, I thought he could improve, but I know how expensive it is trying to be a musician. I only watched them on youtube and didn't follow them on any other platform (twitch, twitter etc) and one time I looked at his twitter and realized how much of an ass he was, he was really rude to someone who nicely asked him about goth clubs or something. also he says in his videos that if you pledge even 1$ to his patreon he will put your name in the end of the video and he never did that for me although I was a patron for about 3 months. I don't really care about having my name in the video but he shouldn't promise something and then not deliver it.
While the thought of picturing a washed up, dumpy looking Freya under a bridge is a mildly amusing picture (mainly because right now she feels her fans are gonna keep throwing her money and her refusal of getting a job or some sort of actual income), I also would rather not see her homeless. She's annoying, she's vapid, she's a lazy ass but I don't think she is an evil person and it just seems like she needs to take control of her life before things get really bad.>>831112
You know I don't understand these boxes. Instead of selling this useless crap that is just for shallow attention-whoring, why don't these boxes actually come with some actual useful shit like little booklets that touch up on what Wicca is about? >>831157
They are just so gross. Also not shocked that Kaya's viewership has been waning, that's what happen when you shit out shit content. It does seem like her and Jake are swapping where his channel is growing while her's is dying. Though his will die just as fast when these impressionable teens wise up and see how shallow and idiotic he is once the teenage angst infatuation wears off.
Just watched it, I'm kind of surprised she made it. Angela typically shills for affordable cheap Chinese clothes, but in this video she decided to shill for Witches Moon. I notice she didn't mention the pricing,
>$45.00 + $9.00 Shipping. (US)
>$45.00 + $24.00 Shipping (Canada)
>$45.00 + $33.00 Shipping (International excluding Canada)
Funny when she said "You don't really need those books!" makes no sense to me, get a free book online, read through it, create a list of the things you'd like to work with that resonate with you and you're done. But that's being creative. >>831742
I personally find these people funny, there are no excuses they can use at this point. They know what goth is, they want to be goth because they like the look goths usually have, but seem blind to the fact that the "look" all comes from a goff's favorite genre of music (wonder what that could be?). I'm willing to bet she's one of those "goth mindset" people like Leahmouse was. None of them ever explained what the goth "mindset" ever was either, all they do is sperg about how they liked horror movies and Tim Burton growing up which of course, makes them born
goff. Also, these people look like clones, all seem to exclusively wear Killstar/PunkRave/Dollskill.>>831157
I think they shit on the scene in Belfast because neither of them are alt anymore. They seem to have (and I hate to use this term) grown-out of it. But cling onto being alternative because they know insecure kids will throw money at them, they do nothing for their local scene because they just don't like it and it shows. Compare both of them to their 2011 selves, they seemed perfectly fine being alt but now they are just wearing costumes and acting like how they think alternative people act it's so very inauthentic.
>>831763>I'm willing to bet she's on of those "goth mindset" people like Leahmouse was
yeah, although thankfully Leahmouse stopped calling herself goth a very long time ago.
And even if someone tried to argue that goth should be a fashion based subculture or something like that it would make more sense than this chick, because if anything can be goth why bother labeling anything goth?
Right? A label is to differentiate things. This is indie music. Those are skater clothes. Course lines can be blurred, but if you remove them entirely it's counter productive to use the word you want to remove. If "everything is goth" you don't need to point it out all the time.
Well that also applies if you know what goth really is, but people like the toxic
two are insecure about not knowing so point it out loads. Their whole selling point is being alt and brave to be themselves, their fans eat it up and throw money at them. Yeah use your own cash however you want. It's just they're not getting their value for money at all.
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>>831731> Some of them are in their 30s and 40s..
I think someone posted this in a previous thread but yeah this chick is as dumb as the rest of these metalheads who think they're Goth just because they like to wear Black, dark makeup, and like creepy stuff.
The funny thing about that tag is you just know she made it because she's butthurt that actual Goths don't consider her a Goth because she doesn't listen to Goth music. Metalheads get pissed when people wear Metal Band t-shirts when they don't listen to said band, it's literally the same thing only instead of a shirt, it's a whole subculture. >>831763
The so-called "Goth mindset" nonsense is about "Appreciating the beauty in darkness" and blah blah something else. They're ridiculous and they know that no matter what they say, they will never be considered "Goth" by actual Goths. Normies can think they're Goth all they want but to the people who really matter when it comes to the genre, we know the truth. It's the very reason why Kaya and Jake don't interact with the Belfast Goth scene. I remember once that Jake said the Goths there were "pretentious" and "Elitist cunts" and it's like nah dude, they just saw that you and your girlfriend are pathetic posers. >>831782> yeah, although thankfully Leahmouse stopped calling herself goth a very long time ago.
I haven't watched her in a good while so if this is true, FINALLY. Just accept you're alternative. No harm, no foul. You don't need to be Goth to be into tattoos and Alternative music. >>831920
And it doesn't help that their "fans" are either just clueless Normies, Young Alternative people who don't know shit about actual Goth, or older people who bought into the "Goth is a mindset" nonsense. >>832011
Agree, it would look better with a nicer pair of shoes. Stompy boots could go well with that look.
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Reminds me of this
>>832095>metalheads get pissed if you dont wear metal t-shirts
I've been a metal enthusiast for at least a decade and I've never seen this happen.
What I have seen happen a LOT though is metal heads telling you the music you listen to isn't "real metal". And then the people who accuse you of not listening to real metal will then get accused by someone else of not liking "real metal" by someone who likes something even more obscure and so on. No matter how obscure and hardcore the metal you listen to is, theres always something even more obscure and supposedly more metal. Metal heads are just as elitist and snobbish as Goths if not far worse.
I don't think you read what anon said correctly:
>Metalheads get pissed when people wear Metal Band t-shirts when they don't listen to said band
It's alright. Let it all out anon, in fact I'll let something out too. I hate Lebanon Hanover, terrible band!>>832095
it's in one of her older videos, where she says "You know what, I'm not goth I'm much more than goth!" these people make it sound like a cult, rather than a subculture based around a music genre. >>832104
I feel like she's bragging here, if not I don't understand why she hasn't gotten over this yet. If you're wearing an OTT look no matter if it's alt or normie styled, people are going to stare at you. She's been dressing this way for years, you'd think she would have gotten used to the stares by now.
Oh yeah, did anyone know Angela was interviewed by some alt-right neckbeard?
JFC. Short on content? Lets get attention by posting how I'm getting attention. Or not accepted.
>>832128> I've been a metal enthusiast for at least a decade and I've never seen this happen.
I see this more online but you have to search out the topic. It's true that you don't see this in real life (at least I haven't) but I have seen it online on particular rant videos on how band shirts for Slayer, Metallica, and Iron Maiden are popular enough to where people who aren't into metal will wear the shirts because they think it's cool but don't listen to the band. That's all.
But yes I have heard of what you said as well with how Metalheads can be dismissive of certain sub-genres of Metal because it's not "heavy" enough or something and I think it's dumb lol.>>832202
It's alright. Let it all out anon, in fact I'll let something out too. I hate Lebanon Hanover, terrible band!
Hey it's alright. I do like some Lebanon Hanover but I understand that they may not be for everyone lol.
>it's in one of her older videos, where she says "You know what, I'm not goth I'm much more than goth!" these people make it sound like a cult, rather than a subculture based around a music genre.
You're so fucking right on that. These people are so obnoxious when they say they are no longer Goth when they weren't ever Goth to begin with and with the case of Sebastian Columbine, she did it to herself because she got so wrapped up in trying to be popular that she ended up burning herself out.
>Oh yeah, did anyone know Angela was interviewed by some alt-right neckbeard?
Yeah I watched it. This was that guy who did a piss poor call out video of her a couple weeks ago saying how she's a pretentious elitist or something like that. I don't understand why she bothered with this guy. I'll admit some of the questions were good but half-way in, I knew he was just trying to be spastic attention-whore since it's obvious he wasn't actually listening to some of the things she was saying.>>832221>It isn't like the hostel refused her booking or treated her badly for being a Goth.If she can't handle people looking at her after all this time, simply tone down the makeup or (gasp) skip wearing white grease paint except for nights out.
Agreed. She would have something if the Hostel refused to let her stay there but nope. And yeah, maybe if she stopped wearing that tacky white grease paint in her day-to-day life, it wouldn't be so bad.
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How is she a redneck when she’s from nz? What makes her a racist and where’s the proof? It’s legit never been posted.
Fucking so over you americunts throwing bullshit accusations without proof and not even sageing your shit. This thread has become a massive joke
It's not even like she has any fun shocking the normies. The boomerang could be her laughing or making a funny face "everyone stopped when i came in! Lol!". She makes it seem like her look is like a burden.
I mean, you know you look super "weird", and I don't say that pointing a finger at her and suggesting she can't look weird all the time like some anons do. I dress super over the top 90% of the time and I know why
people are looking at me. I look different, they get curious, some think it's cool, some think I'm crazy and/or an idiot… It's not rocket science…
A lot of people will treat you badly or make jokes about you, some will even tease you and that's annoying and disrespectful. Of course it shouldn't be like that and everyone should dress more creatively and break the rules but unfortunately, this is not how it is, at least in the present moment we live in.
Some days, you feel tired of the attention (positive, negative or neutral), you're not feeling like dealing with others' reactions and judgement about you so you just go out dressed in a simple way. You put something black and simple, you don't go crazy on the hairdo or just put a hat on, you either don't wear makeup or wear a cool makeup look that it's still you, still goth or at least dark but it's not the super dolled up
look, you know?
It's not about going out in a normie costume or not dressed like yourself, in the things you like. Not at all. Freya seems to think that it is. That she's only herself when she is hyper-absurdly-extremely-mega gothed up. Which is super weird, because (actual) goth, even when simple is already pretty different and characteristic.
I find it weird that in her day to day life she doesn't wear, say: a simple (ie not ruffled asf) skirt or pants, a nice black blouse (go crazy here), a leather jacket or trench, like 2 or 3 belts, black boots, hair slightly teased but mostly down instead of the huge nest, and more day to day makeup like: normal skintone foundation, a cat eye that says goth but doesn't reach drag queen status like her usual one and any lipstick you want, even black.
People mostly look at her not because she looks goth, but because she looks super duper overdressed. The fact that she is also super anxious and shy must make her walk around super weirdly, so it's not just about the looks.
It seems like her looks are causing her more anxiety than happiness and this is sad. It shouldn't be like this. If the looks are contributing to make you socially anxious, tone it down sometimes, at least on days when your anxiety is already skyrocketing.
Ruadhan started the rumor she was racist, he even explained why she was racist. Apparently it's because she's white and from NZ and is "stealing" land from Maori people. Using that same logic, he's just as "racist" as she is as he's also white and from the USA. >>832523
She's very insecure about the way she looks, she's mentioned before she didn't want to be found dead without her makeup on. I think that's why she's always wearing super fancy stuff, to distract people from looking at how she actually looks. It sounds sad, I mean the woman can't even go to the grocery store without dressing up. >>832221
She claims she agreed to the interview because she wanted to erase the misinformation surrounding goth. That would be fine if this were the 90s and the internet sucked ass, but what is Google? Honestly if he were curious he could have just read the Wiki article, or the definition online. Came off more as he just wanted to talk to a goth girl IMO.
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Who the hell finds this sexy?
Ruadhan is a fail and I hope eventually he/she/they (?) will disappear back into the periphery of YouTube where they came from.
Other than that, I agree that it wouldn’t hurt Freya to tone down the crazy makeup if she’s uncomfortable being stared at, which I thought she wasn’t. In the past she has always portrayed herself as unbothered, but awkward, and she never seemed to get extremely frazzled when people approached her. I was honestly kind of surprised how upset she looks in that screenshot, she legit looks like she is about to cry.
Hey anon, don’t be hard on yourself. As you describe your interests I would label all of that “gothic”, as in macabre and dark, all of which I love, love, love. Let the silly Swillstar Goff-cows keep their goth label.
I’d rather watch something about actual dark topics presented by a (oh horrors!) non goth, than have to suffer through one more haul video.
Please don’t use the word bogan as it’s clear you’re not an Aussie. A bogan is a centre link bum that usually is drunk/on drugs. Not even close to being the same as America’s redneck.
90% sure you are the nut bag Ruadhan, back here trying to push racism without proof.
And fucking sage, cunt
What’s with the lacking of sageing in this milkless thread?
It's two of them, one who refuses to sage and the other one who's all #NotLikeOtherGoths both are annoying as shit. I don't understand why they refuse the hide the thread, before they were whining because people were being "mean" to Jake upwards in the thread.
I'm pretty sure the un-sageing anon is Ruadhan, probably mad no one is kissing his ass anymore. Not like he was saying anything new.
What part of ''sage your shit'' you don't understand? Just type the word sage in the email section ffs.
This fucking thread has turned to shit, we all fucking know IBF loves drinking to run away from the problems she created herself and that she's avoiding getting a proper job because her dumb fans are enabling her bullshit.
Yeh, bogan, not redneck. The two aren’t the same, dumb cunt.
Sage YOUR posts and “get with the program”. Read the rules and lurk more before posting sageless non milk with a dumb ass opinion.
IBF is a train wreck of an adult and would love to see this shit go down. Anyone at half a brain would’ve gone back to their home and gotten their shit together by now.
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No mathaias did.
He'll tell anyone willing to listen that when he and Freya were in NYC that she was "disgusted" by all the blacks and latinos and that she's always slurring aboriginals.
Do you have a source you can post? Screenshot, a chat with him, texts, something?
We've all seen the accusations flung around - we just want some actual proof.
This Mathias claim is pretty new. Before it was people who were close to her and they didn't want to expose them (what is blocking out names/pics?). Now it's Mathias exposed her as being racist lmao, I highly doubt there's any proof. Just people looking for another reason to dislike her, like that anon in the previous threads who kept calling her a poseur
and hoping it would catch on. There's many reasons to dislike the chick, but damn.
>>832863>I'm at a friend's house
Someone is too broke for a hostel kek.>>832923
I doubt you'll get any written proof. Was IBF ever seen with black or latino friends? That's what bothers me. She has people she can mooch off from but when are actual friends featured on her instagram or facebook?
Rhuadan, it's getting pretty pathetic by now. The "IBF is racist" things will not
You can't even spell mathias, who are you pretending to be friends with>>833007
Have you seen her with friends pf ANY color? No, because she doesn't have them. I don't think she's racist because she is never seen with black or latino friends, she only has mr owl and a girl or 2 in pics as friends on her instagram. The rest are pics with fans>>833013
Exactly!!! This thread really has became a joke. We don't have any milk and any discussion is mudded by stupid people always trying to make something up about IBF.
First it was that she was secretly meeeaaan as fuck and would belittle other goths when with friends. No proof, no evidence, nothing.
Then, someone was hellbent on a make believe story about how she had been conning matthias all the time and mr owl knew. That matthias had showed them all the screenshots. Nothing ever appeared and people spotted 450 holes in his poor constructed plot.
Now, the last rumour is that she is racist. Again, no proof, no indication at all, nothing. But this time we know who started it. It was Rhuadan, in his rant video about her because he has a major hate boner for her.
I can't believe I'm sounding like a WK. But really, all this bullshit is ruining the thread.
>>833055>I can't believe I'm sounding like a WK
You don't. Pointing out bullshit doesn't make you a WK.
Honestly though, this thread has been a freakshow the last few days. It's low milk season, yeah, but that's no reason to samefag rumours (unsaged and unproved, no less) like it's going out of style.
Oh, just fuck off would you!?
He NEVER went over with her! She never stated that in one of her videos!
What is with these scrubs?
Yes, this is a bitchy forum but you need PROOF in IMAGE form to state your claim.
SAGE or post if there’s no new milk.
I’ve seen some milkless threads lately but at least they have passable speculation and not just a right out debunked lie
Matthias asked her to fund his ticket? Where does this bit of info come from?>>833055
True. Not sure what's more pathetic: not having friends at all or choosing to hang out exclusively with white breads.
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I'm 99% sure her marriage was already ending/over October 2017.
She uploaded her "why I've been sad lately" video November 2017 annohncing her separation from matthias. Marriages don't usually fall apart overnight so I think its safe to assume that they were already separated/separating at that point not to mention people had been speculating marital problems long before she announced the separation.
That being said, I don't know when the tickets were bought, could have been long before that.
Probably Ruadhan, that anon comes out when the thread is good to start some shit. It's better off ignoring them completely, I can already tell whoever that is is crazy. >>833128
Perhaps if she did something with her life instead of drinking and eating all day it wouldn't be exhausting. People would respect her more if she got a job and a stable living situation. All she wants to do is go to festivals and eat.
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I mean I do agree because sometimes I can look a bit OTT myself but I have my days where I like to look more simple. It's not hard to look dark while still looking simple. I think IBF did one simplistic look outfit-wise (it was when her and Matthias took a train somewhere). Her outfit was pretty simplistic what with skinny jeans, graphic shirt, necklace, belt, and her winkle picker boots. It was just her makeup that looked over he top. So I mean, she can look simple but it seems like she just wants to look super overdressed because it gets her the most attention but then it backfires with her seeming anxiety hence why she should just dress simplistic for awhile.>>832598> She's very insecure about the way she looks, she's mentioned before she didn't want to be found dead without her makeup on. I think that's why she's always wearing super fancy stuff, to distract people from looking at how she actually looks. It sounds sad, I mean the woman can't even go to the grocery store without dressing up.
Oh right, I remember her saying that in a Q&A. Yeah that really is sad that she's that insecure about herself. Because wearing huge amounts of makeup like that all the time is gonna wreak hell on her skin.
> She claims she agreed to the interview because she wanted to erase the misinformation surrounding goth. That would be fine if this were the 90s and the internet sucked ass, but what is Google? Honestly if he were curious he could have just read the Wiki article, or the definition online. Came off more as he just wanted to talk to a goth girl IMO.
I mean, I get that she had good intentions and that reasoning makes some sense but yeah, the guy could just google what Goth is actually about, it's not 1995 anymore. It does feel like he only wanted to talk to a Goth girl. The questions were kinda ridiculous.>>832609
Very good points. I can't exactly remember all that happened in the orange wig video, it's been too long but I do remember her saying that she felt weird that no one was staring at her (Which is ironic because she still looked out there with that wig). It does seem like she thinks she's nothing without her appearance because she has no actual hobbies or interest. Yeah she talks about how she wants to write a book but she hardly ever talked or talks about it so it can't be that important to her.>>832631
At least you learned now rather than much later about what Goth is truly about. You can still like dark things and not be a Goth, that's something we always try to tell people who just can't get into Goth music. Though another thing I should correct you on because I actually learned about this myself from a friend who is way more knowledgeable on the Gothic medium than I am, it's that Gothic Art is very specific. It's not depictions of grveyards with ravens around it or skulls and all that jazz, actual Gothic Art is stuff that came from or is inspired from the 12th Century Art movement. The art of dark graveyards with skulls and ravens and/or roses and so on, that's actually not Gothic Art, it's just Dark art. Just thought I'd share that.>>832788
Would you stop with that? Goth never existed before the late 70s. Gothic and Goth are not the same. And you're also wrong thinking that those of us who do speak up on that fact are stuck on the 80s. A lot of us know and even love that so much more Goth music came after the 80s, I actually really love a lot of Goth bands that have come out since the 2010s from She Past Away, Draconian Incubus, Night Sins, and The Rope to name a few and these bands are not 80s. Yes it's true that there are some Goths who are 80s elitists but they are actually a minority. >>833007
I have a feeling that she doesn't really have any friends. Even before she went to Germany, you mostly saw her with Mr. Owl. I mean maybe she had friends but just didn't talk about them on camera but I can't recall her ever talking about having any and obviously in Germany, the people she was hanging out with were mostly Matthias' friends. >>833204> Perhaps if she did something with her life instead of drinking and eating all day it wouldn't be exhausting.
Why does it feel that IBF is gonna look practically morbidly obese when she gets to her late 30s, early 40s? It's gonna be like what happened to Toxic
Are you fucking kidding? Like did he say that recently? LOL I mean I like those bands but fuck no they aren't nor have they ever been Goth. But I'm not surprised, this is coming from the guy who said that Goth music sounds like shit.>>833251
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Yep the world should know this Freya. Kek why does she do these weird non-event life updates, instead of idk, addressing why she dropped YT again? Last time she said, omg sorry I had a legit problem now I'm back with fresh stuff! Then shits out a few hauls and leaves again.
This time, again no explanation, though she owes one to her fans cos she's done this before and promised she was back, she shares a lot of her personal info online so don't bring shit up then leave people hanging, and it's obvious she's moving. At least say you're on hiatus so subs don't drop - ah but only someone serious about their job would do that. Then when her YT/Patreon money drops she'll say "ugh I just don't know why i'm so broke you guys!"
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What ever happened to the video we were supposed to get?
Well I mean, that's good? If the feelings aren't there anymore, there's no reason to stick with each other and be miserable. It's good that they're keeping things civil for their daughter, it'll be better for her in the long run as opposed to if they were estranged. >>833811> Then when her YT/Patreon money drops she'll say "ugh I just don't know why i'm so broke you guys!"
If she really says that, I seriously hope someone is blunt with her saying "Because you don't have a job" or something like that. Her content is shit but obviously she has an audience for it and she will only be able to blame herself for not doing her "job" (a.k.a. making her haul videos).>>833834
That's why I like Angela's approach to makeup. She can still make a striking dark look while not looking so costumey. Costumey looks are fine but for every day, it's just tacky and it will only damage your skin in the long run. She should try some more softer looks and give her face a rest from all the harsh costumey paint.>>833896
Oh yes, Gotta get those haul videos out! /s
I know I'm mocking it because I find them so stupid but is it really that hard to fart out a haul video of the quality she does? She does voice-overs on the clothes, it's not that hard to just put your camera up, walk or dance around for like a few minutes and then get up close for the close up shots. Eugh… lol
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>>833990>definition of perfection
yes, over editing/filtering his ig pix and looking like a haggard gargoyle with bad hair is totes what i would label as perfection
the 'quality vs quantity' video did not have to be made, but thanks for lurking jakey boy. it was just him rambling that could've been made into ig vids or something, but get them yt bux to move to another country where you can complain there's ~no one like me~ around. and look, he finally put a patron at the end but couldn't even be bothered to say who it was, that's real nice.
did anyone catch his live stream on sunday?
I think Angela's look are so
simole, tho. I didn't even mean that
I really can't understand this shit. Like, be horny for extreme looking guys, by all means, but Jake looks STUPID. He doesn't look like a goth or a metalhead or nothing, just like an edgy teenager. It's embarrassing. HOW can you find blackened teeth sexy?
she looks younger like that tbh… and better with her eyebrows in the correct place instead of 2 inches above her real eyebrows.
side tangent; I hate how black friday does her makeup exactly the same for years. I don't see anything wrong with doing your makeup the same every day, but she has to go so over the top that you'd think she'd at least try to change it up once in a while.>>834035
apparently in elizabethan england sugar was so expensive that only the wealthy could afford it, so blackened teeth was considered beautiful because it meant you were rich/royal. no idea if that's actually true or not.
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I don't even know if this counts as milk, but apparently Sebastian is jumping on the spoopy e-witch bandwagon.
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The Herd of Black Sheep: Goth's Conformity Crisis
Of Herbs and Altars
Published on Jul 9, 2019
I've been Thinking a lot lately - often after blazing up the Good Stuff - about the motivations behind why it is that listening to a certain type of music, should make people decide to adopt such a specific style of dress - it's strange & interesting, & as such, this shall be the first of two-to-a-few videos delving into some theories as to our true motivations for certain modes of gothic style, & the different tribes & mindsets within the community - this video, obviously, being the fact that some of us see goth clubs as a place to let loose & dress up, with no rules at all, while others clearly take the opposite stance, & see goth clubs as places full of rules, with strict dress codes nearly amounting to a uniform, & I find it very interesting… But yes - I didn't use a single picture of anyone here, who I thought looked anything other than fantastic…until you realise it's not self expression; it's a uniform. I went to my first goth festival at just 16, & therefore realised from the very beginning that a 'classic' goth look only works if you're The Only Goth In The Village - fill a whole town with Classic Goths, & you can't tell anyone apart. After that, I realised dressing 100% Classic Goth wasn't the way I wanted to be, & that's especially important in the internet age; social media WILL crush your ego if you dress identically to every other nu-goth or deathrocker; you WILL compare yourself, & get overly self-critical. For me, my ears stick out too much to really rock a deathhawk, my feet are too long and narrow already to look good in winklepickers; if I tried to stuff myself into that box, sure, I'd be Deathrock af, but I'd also look like a jug-eared clown-footed 'other one' compared to all the 'hot ones' who actually suit that style.
tl;dr - I really recommend moulding your style, to your own physical strengths & weaknesses, just like Black Friday with her very trad look, that she's customised into such a beautiful cartoon character that fits her facial features & body type so beautifully, ditto Adora Batbrat with the makeup & eyebrows that suit her so well, but make me look like an angry crazy person when I tried them out, lol, & the clothing that flatters her long lean body, or Psychara with her drapey nature-witch aesthetic that looks so pretty on her delicate little frame, or Antistorm.png with their endlessly original spins on androgynous extraterrestrial makeup - a customised look will always flatter you more than trying to fit someone else's uniform at all costs
…& yes; don't fear the reaper–uhh, the elitists! XD That video is On My To Do List - I ain't heard anyone really that pop that bubble yet the way I see it, soo…wotch this space C;
This is just sad. Why?
My unsolicited advice:
1- get measured for a bra
2- buy said bra
3- wash and try on all clothes
4-sell what doesn’t fit
5-fuck off to Barcelona
6-moan about how you can’t get anything done because it’s too hot.
Step 6 optional
Chick wasn't Goth to begin with but finally just like with Leah Mouse. Just accept your alternative and move on, no big deal, you can still like dark things without being a Goth. >>834501> about the motivations behind why it is that listening to a certain type of music, should make people decide to adopt such a specific style of dress
I mean, no one says a Goth has to dress a certain way, it's all just for fun a lot of the time. And the only LOLcow who actually pulls from actual Goth fashion is IBF or rather, she used to anyway. The rest of them don't look Goth a all to me.>>834574
Angela's content won't be for everyone but the main reason why a lot like her here is because she's not an annoying e-begger and has things going for her that keep her from becoming like IBF or the Toxic
Twosome. She's also one of the bigger channels that you can actually say is a Goth channel so that kinda helps too. Boring videos or not (I personally enjoy them), she was a breath of fresh air when she came along. I mean you gotta admit, what other big channel calling themselves "Goth" could you actually call a "Goth" channel?
Lol, I thought this video was pretty decent coming from Dorian. However, where the hell are these invisible elitists claiming you have to look like you're wearing a costume/uniform to be considered goth?
People keep saying these false things, I only see goths say the same thing Dorian is saying: Go back to creative looks that reflect you as a person instead of being a clone of (insert online goth personality)
I also hate seeing jackets splattered in bands you can tell the person doesn't even care for. Many of these people can't even name one album by Bauhaus and Alien Sex Fiend but shove them on their jackets because they feel like they just have
to do that. >>834652
I like her videos too. I think some are just looking for a reason to dislike Angela. Yeah she's had some flops, but who doesn't?
>>834911> However, where the hell are these invisible elitists claiming you have to look like you're wearing a costume/uniform to be considered goth?
Exactly. I don't see these kinds of people these people love to complain about. In the Goth circles I run in, no one is demanding people to look a certain way, it's just that a lot of them like to wear 80s inspired garb because they like it, that's all. There's no rule that you have to.
> People keep saying these false things, I only see goths say the same thing Dorian is saying: Go back to creative looks that reflect you as a person instead of being a clone of (insert online goth personality)
Agreed as well. Because I don't see these "80s elitists" that so many of these people bitch about for example. They're just putting words in people's mouths when they hear them say that in order to be a Goth, you have to like the music and these whiners think they are saying just 80s music when that isn't true. So many of the Goth channels on YouTube like Accumortis, Kai Decadence, Sweeney Deville, and Angela don't talk about 80s all that much, I see them suggesting all kinds of post 80s bands.
> I like her videos too. I think some are just looking for a reason to dislike Angela. Yeah she's had some flops, but who doesn't?
I think so too. At the most you can say her content is boring but again, I personally don't because I like her story-time videos but she hasn't done anything appalling like scamming a bunch of money from her fans to have a sham wedding with no refunds to or not delivering on the content people are paying her to do because of laziness. She's a respectable person and in the alternative YT scene where a lot of them Lolcows, she's a breath of fresh air.
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Equally surprised this anon isn't banned for blogposting. Let's laugh about cows, not discuss about goth definitions please.>>835022
Wow that's just vile. No.
Yeah, I never seen or heard anyone act like those famed "elitists" people talk about. People are just insecure and project what they think the 80s looking people are thinking about them with absolutely no reason to do so.>>835091
Saying people have to be creative and listen to what they like is being an elitist? This anon wasn't being elitist at all!>>835170
Honestly, I don't think it's "the same two anons", it seems like there are at least some people who write long posts and occasionally discuss the elitist shit.>>835259
Don't like it, don't read it, skip it. I'm not the original poster but I'm interested in what they said
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Nah I'm confident in the sense that I know what Goth is really about and don't need to feel insecure about it as far as myself is concerned and can just laugh at the people who are so desperate to be considered one when they really aren't for one simple criteria.>>835170
Nah, I've met a lot of people (both Goth and not Goth) who know what it's truly about so hard miss with that one. But yes this thread isn't the best place to be making long comments like that so I'll try not to do that anymore and focus on the cows.>>835270
Thanks. Wasn't trying to be a know-itt-all, I was trying to speak on Dorian's video but I got a bit too carried away. >>835384
She didn't give a reason, she doesn't want to talk about it anymore.(no one cares how goth you are)
Their relationship seemed toxic
and co-dependent(he also has an eating disorder and problems w/ depression; this was mentioned in one of the old threads) they also got together young and I get the impression that they only got married because he knocked her up.
Seems the marriage was already lurching to it's death, seeing that she's already hopped on the next dick that came her way.
Dude I like your posts, but it's best not to respond to that unsaged anon. They're clearly salty and trying to start an argument. >>833896
She takes her channel too seriously, most of her subs are awkward alt kids who are probably being bullied and look up to her. Upload unedited videos, do a livestream and interact with your fans. No one wants to see another haul, but that's most likely what she's going to upload. >>835270>Don't like it, don't read it, skip it. I'm not the original poster but I'm interested in what they said
Same, and they mix their opinions in while discussing the cows at the same time. I don't get the people complaining either, how is saying "o mah gawd, Jake copying Marilyn Manson and Kyo1!!1" and "Kaya's not goth and looks horrible!!" over and over milky either?
Probably why people are writing longs posts, the cows are just boring as shit now. We need new cows in general, and they should be actually alternative not yet another poseur
of (insert subculture)
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No one is saying he asked her to buy him a ticket, just that she went alone and didn't buy him a ticket.>>835326
Jake the problem isn't that you look "different" or too OTT. It's that you look bad.
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Interesting comments on Mai Magi' s latest post about friends not being competition.
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Has anyone brought up the racist, Trump-loving, cross-dressing, Goth fetishizing wannabe vampire yet? Because this guy may not be very well-known outside of a few online Goth circles but he's definitely a cow in his own right.
If this is vagueblogging about Psychara (and I hope it is, I'd love to know wtf happened), it doesn't surprise me. Even when they were friends all they talked about was how much more witchy and cool they were from other people, it's not that great a leap to start wondering if they're witchier and cooler than each other
at some point.
omf, this doesn't need a video, you just explained it, anything for $ tho.
forgot to mention that in the grwm video he talked about how he got a staph infection in his ear holes that was somehow related to the rash from wearing liquid latex. how does that even happen? also gross b/c he and kaya apparently share some makeup.>>835872
idk who this is but would be interested to hear more.
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srsly both Mai and Manic Moth are full of shit. Mai is obviously social climbing through Manic Moth after she has done the same with Psychara. She also chose to skinwalk both since she was never as fashionable as the other two. She'll never be by copying others but she is too vapid to understand that. Manic Moth is a hypocrite sperging about ~honest people~ while she is in rumored legal troubles. Despite what she comments on Instagram, Manic Moth always uploads pictures where Mai looks uglier than her. She does the same with every single person, it's a miracle they didn't catch it.
So much for it's not competition hurrr durrr~
Yeah she made this back when her apartment was furnished, she could've had it out ages ago. Guess she was busy whining and country hopping. YT isn't a normal job but it's still a job, if you know you'll be gone from your job so long, explain why. Or make an apology where part of it is Patreon-only, like last time…
As for what's so bad in NZ a few anons have speculated that it's her helicopter mother.
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Not only is it kind of gross and a good way to give each other eye infections, but it's a good representation of Kaya and Jake's relationship. He's such a goddamn leech.
yea it's super cringey. sometimes he says 'tasty little snacks' and i'm just waiting for one of tween followers to say 'eat me'. >>835993
that is a lot of stuff, i guess she threw it all into storage and is going to leave it there while she pouts about not having a place.
She probably filmed the video right before she had to rush to take everything down, rehome her possessions, and repaint/repair all the walls. Plus, she was only out of Germany 10 days ago. To be honest, it's a pretty fast turnaround time for her. She couldn't even really consistently put up videos when she wasn't being kicked out of the country so idk why anyone still considers youtube her "job." At this point, at most it's a side hustle while she figures out what she's actually going to do. I wouldn't be surprise if she just quits youtube forever sometime in the near future and just move to instagram or streaming live so she can still get free shit from shillstar and donation money. Even if she was consistent on youtube, she probably wouldn't make much since youtube ad revenue have gone down the drain and goth clothing brands only pay her in clothes since no one in the subculture has the backbone to request real payment. I doubt many other brands besides shitty teeth whitening kits companies are also willing to work with her. Her youtube career is dead, and I think she knows it too.>>835993
The real reason why she probably doesn't want to move back to NZ is probably because she has all this stuff in Europe she can't easily move. Imagine putting so much weight into material things, that you're willing to give up your family, your engagement, your chance at having a stable life, etc.
That is not why she doesn't want to be in NZ. That's honestly the dumbest take ever. Also doubt it has much to do with her mother like another anon mentioned.
She doesn't want to be in NZ because it's not goff enough. It's far away from all the goff culture and festivals she's obsessed with. Nobody wants to see a goff in NZ (in her mind, I think people would enjoy it seeing as NZ is very different from what we usually see). They wanna see goff in cool clubs in Edinburgh and Berlin and Warsaw.
She seems to be the type to create these wonderful fantasies in her head about all the possibilities of living in a super goff neighborhood with amazing goff friends and going to cool goff places… Yet reality is never that good and whenever she tries to manifest these dreams she falls right on her face because she's lazy and has no skills. Instead of hunkering down and fixing things she escapes her anxiety about her current situation by imagining the possibilities of the future in another sooper spoopy goff place (and stuffing her face with food and Valium). Then the cycle repeats. She's addicted to the fantasies she creates in her head and she will never be able to achieve any of them if she keeps this cycle going.
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Holy shit are you in for a show, this creep has been making his rounds on the internet since around 2009 and even has a (surprisingly short) Encyclopedia Dramatica article about him. He goes nuts over any female wearing black in sight, acts like an edgy 14 year old trying too hard to be a "gothic vampire" and will happily rant about how he hates every non-white race under the sun. It should be noted that even VampireFreaks didn't want him and ended up kicking him out.
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She's ridiculous and makes a mockery of YouTube being a job with those who actually do deliver content. She needs to face it, YouTube isn't her job, at the most she is just a squatter because if this was actually her "job", she would've been fired a long time ago.
And she's not gonna get her shit together until life really hits her when she gets to her 40s and her fans get tired of her shit. And the only reason I can think of for her not wanting to leave NZ is the lack of GOFF events. I mean what else is there? >>836021
All that or the person makes a good few videos beforehand and uploads them while they're out. And even if her mom is the reason why she wants to leave, she does understand that she doesn't have to live with her right? That her and Mr. Owl can move to a different town in NZ.
She has to accept that she doesn't have the funds to live in these expensive places, she's gonna end up homeless in these places.>>836097
Well sure but while YouTube doesn't really pay, people who watch and enjoy her videos support her on Patreon, that's where her income mainly comes from. But with her lack of uploading consistently, that is gonna go south in a year, maybe 3 years tops. >>836194> She doesn't want to be in NZ because it's not goff enough. It's far away from all the goff culture and festivals she's obsessed with. Nobody wants to see a goff in NZ (in her mind, I think people would enjoy it seeing as NZ is very different from what we usually see). They wanna see goff in cool clubs in Edinburgh and Berlin and Warsaw.
I honestly feel this is the actual reason. I mean is it any coincidence that she chose Germany and now Edinburgh of all places to live? In Germany she barely even knew Matthias before hand and made such a rash decision to move their. She just wanted access to it's Goff scene. And now Edinburgh is known for it's Gothic styled architecture and plus all the Goff festivals (including Germany).
And you're right, she lives in her fantasy world in her head and it's only gonna blow up in her face in a few years and all this could have been avoided if she just wasn't lazy. >>836209
Sounds like a real piece of work.>>836302> And refund the people who donated to her first engagement with Mr Owl.
That's never gonna happen and I think people need to accept it. The solution for them is to not support her next wedding, if she wants to get married so badly she can either pay for it with her own money or have her mom do it. If her fans fall for the BS again, they only have themselves to blame.>>836366
LOL She's using an old picture to show, how cute /s. That was back when they were younger, it's obvious they don't feel like that anymore. They only stay with each other now to be a GOFF couple.
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Alert, asylum inmate on the loose. The Encyclopedia Dramatica article is funny as well:
>a racist, sexist, cross-dressing virgin and a self-proclaimed Christian vampire goth alternative model>unemployed for over four years, most time spent playing video games, sucking up taxpayer money, jerking off while sobbing>actual video on Pornhub called "Retarded Goth Jerks Off While Crying">alternative known as "Chuckula's sexual tears"
Kill it with holy water ffs.
that random kvd tweet among all that trash.>>836366
haha, maybe ppl think this b/c you're hardly ever affectionate towards one another. like, you don't need over the top pda but they don't go on each other's videos or in each other's pictures, so if someone hasn't been following long it's reasonable they wouldn't know you're a couple.
Exactly, don't be so smug about it, Kaya. There isn't much chemistry and affection between the two of you, at least from what we see in your videos.
I think she showed an old photo to emphasise her statement (that they've been together for 9 years) but I bet she doesn't have a recent one where they kiss lmao
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Thumbs up. I wonder how long their "friendship" will last for I see a lot of similarity between Psy and Manic Moth. Both have a proven track record with best friends that dropped off the face of the earth suddenly to be never mentioned again. Psychara used to be best friends with Senn, who was later replaced with Nina. The similarity between her two best friends is striking, they could be sisters. Manic Moth used to have a best friend called Jelena. They were so close that they were skinwalking each other all the time. Makes one wonder what happened and why these ultra close friendships didn't last. I suspect Psy and MM have major personality problems that become evident after some time, which is the reason their best friends left.
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haven't been in these threads in a while now but here are some recent asks from IBF's tumblr regarding her animals,mattias and a bonus ~edgy~ reply
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that edgelord reply>murder someone and eat their flesh>totally not in a fetish way
Someone is masturbating furiously.
This is so strange, I've never seen anyone so active and so passionless at the same time. She travels a lot, made life-changing decisions on a whim (quick marriage, changing countries often), and at the same time she throws so many things on others, things like taking care of her pets, whines about cleaning apartment, expects someone to humour her and spend time with her because her idea of fun is eating sweets and complain about being sick or hurt or dream about another place to live. And it seems so shallow and meaningless even to her.
Most people will do anything to reunite with beloved pets, or don't have any if they plan to travel a lot, tie loose ends with relationships and collect their beloved items. But she drops everything and try again the same formula, you cannot find perfect place and better life if you only produce more baggage and want everyone and everything to bend to your wishes.
I wonder, maybe if she will be online for next 5-10 years she will become someone like Raven, maybe with less dead animals?
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Looks like they're still friends though (Senn is following her). Maybe Psy doesn't post pics of her just because she looks relatively normal now?
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Please do go put a rope around your neck and hang.
His skin isn’t even clean from all the crap he shits on to his skin because he’s too lazy to remove it properly.
And why come here just to post that?
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If Senn had self respect she wouldn't orbit Psy after she has been abandoned. Psychara dropped her for Maimagi who is more photogenic back then, and went on to Nina once she fell out with Mai. Nina isn't hardcore goth looking either but Psy still chose Nina over Senn. Senn is looking desperate trying to regain Psychara's attention, it's kinda painful to watch.
As for Psy, she can't tolerate anyone stealing her limelight, her friends must always be the fat comedian type of girl otherwise she will quickly feel threatened.>>838511
someone necromanced the no 12 thread saying they have met Psychara and she's a bitch. Not surprised at all since she even treats her close friends like trash.
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I wonder what size ibf is as she can squeeze into her goth clothes.
But wasn't she supposed to be on a diet? Thats like 3k calories for one meal
She has never been vegetarian. She just writes that edgy caption ''cannibal for the animals''. >>839319
Fucking yes. That's just her being a crybaby as usual. She doesn't know what she wants. Tbh l hope Doormat Owl will realize he wasted too much time with her, and won't marry her, ~at the end of the year~ , as she said. >>839210
My exact thoughts, anon. She has the money to go back and forth between several countries, treat herself to meals in copious amounts… And still being bold enough to pretend she's poor. The audacity.