/snow/ - flakes & mistakes

The Daniel Greene rapist drama continues, with booktubers now making apology videos to him

>>2090464
Nitpick but the way Emme's buttcheek just hangs out of her shorts in the full image from the OP is so hilariously trashy.

>>2090465
Can anyone who watches Daniel Greene's own video on it summarize it? Even if he didn't assault someone I don't want to give a filthy cheater views, he's still a pig.

>>2090464
Xiran and other CCPbots piss me off so much. Mulan wasn't even Han Chinese, she was Xianbei, a proto-Mongolian ethnic group. Even her wiki admits this
>As the Ballad of Mulan is set in the Northern Wei dynasty when northern China was ruled by ethnic Xianbei, a proto-Mongolic people, there is some evidence that Mulan was not ethnic Han Chinese but Xianbei, who had exclusively compound surnames.
>The Xianbei in China also retained certain nomadic traditions, and Xianbei women were typically skilled horseback riders.[6] Another popular Northern Wei folk poem called "Li Bo's Younger Sister" praises Yong Rong, for her riding and archery skills.[6] The Ballad of Mulan may have reflected the gender roles and status of women in nomadic societies.
Female skeletons from Xianbei graves show they have wear and injuries to their skeletons consistent with long term archery practice and combat injuries.
Han We Wuzzers are insufferable.

>>2090473
I'm working on a summary but I have to give context from things that led to this (because his video references a lot of stuff and might not make sense if you haven't been closely following) stay tuned

>>2090465
So they are okay with serial cheater? Disgusting, men always stick together like dried cum.

>>2090593
>men always stick together like dried cum.
Poetry better than anything written by the average author cow.

>>2090465
The people who jumped on making videos put themselves in such a stupid position. This guy spends the entire video going "I should have waited and not made a video right away" but of course he also made this video the second the narrative changed! He couldn't just leave it after "slandering" someone and was forced to apologize as soon as possible. And now if new information turns up he's forced to do it again. Honestly even if you want to support a victim, making a video on it is tacky and gross when it earns you money.

Tips for any lurking or aspiring booktubers; don't touch other people's drama no matter what.

Okay, here's my summary. I have to split it into 2 parts because lc says it's too long.

>in May 2023, Naomi King uploads a video called "a conversation about manipulation, consent and assault" (video attached)
>the video (still up as of posing this) is 8 minutes long, and basically says she thinks if she agrees to have sex with someone because you think you're gonna have a future with someone and then you fuck and he just says 'peace, I'm out' that's assault" (I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but that's basically what she said)
>she says "I had a friend turn out to not be a friend and he assaulted me, then when we got back and he blocked me and said I bring out the worst in him"
>says she was his free therapist for 3 years and started talking to someone else who he did that to (later on this person turns out to be someone named Madison, Daniel's talker who he briefly dated and was making libelous posts saying he raped her, he got her to take them down with the help of a lawyer)
>Naomi never said it was a public figure or anything or even a youtuber, never said what he looked like etc. all she said was it happened in Vegas, and that she goes to Vegas a lot to get tattooed

>roughly a week ago as of posting this, Naomi King uploaded a video called "Daniel Greene threatened to sue me" (a video that is no longer up and I can't find reuploads of so I can't double check it) showing how 8 days after she posted that video he sent her a cease and desist for it
>she says how the cease and desist was really threatening and threatened to wipe her off of social media completely and bury her in legal fees (I think she showed the cease and desist on screen, but I don't remember if it showed the whole thing so I can't remember if it's as threatening as she said it was)
>it was also probably a template because it kept mentioning yelp and called Daniel a "medical professional"
>she tells the story of how she went to Vegas to meet Daniel and they agreed to go as "just friends"
>he sends her a text message saying how he "wanted to spoil her as a friend"
>she said that he got there at midnight, and she was extremely high because she had been taking edibles all day and he just got off the plane so he was sober (later turns out not to be fully true)
>she says that when he got to the hotel room he pushed her over and stuck his tongue in her mouth and wanted to fuck her and she kept saying she wasn't gonna have sex without lube because she has a medical condition where she can't self lubricate, she says he jerked off onto one of her tattoos which was supposed to represent sexual healing
>she says the next day that they agreed it shouldn't have happened and then when they were alone together the next day he did it again
>she says how she wrote Daniel an 8 page letter weeks before the Vegas trip, saying "I BEGGED him to talk to Kayla, I was calling him out for how he's treated me for the past 3 years. I had PROOF that I fucking fought for her, that I fought for their relationship" (she later posted the letter and it turned out she was basically just begging him to leave Kayla and enter a poly relationship with her)
>she never shows the message of her saying what happened though, just shows one of kayla's replies that says "you both are vile, despicable human beings to do this to another person, over years. I'm revolted by the mere sight of you."
>she said that she didn't talk to Daniel at all after the Vegas trip and blocked him until Kayla reached out to her
>she messaged kayla (Daniel's fiancé) before she left the airport (Naomi lives in Canada) because she "needed her to know she didn't want it" and Kayla told her to leave her alone, then a few weeks later Kayla messaged her again asking for the truth (according to Naomi she didn't try to contact them at all outside of this, later it turned out she was harassing them) so Naomi sent her the 8 page letter (I think this is what happened, the video was kind of confusing)
>she kept breaking down crying during the video and left a 5+ minute long panic attack in the video because it triggered her PTSD (even when I believed her at first I found that really questionable, I wouldn't want to post my PTSD panic attack on the internet)
>the way she acts in this video is as if Daniel was pressuring her for an affair and she was saying no and telling him to talk to Kayla, this turns out not to be the case, she was obsessed with him (will get to that later)
>she shows a lot of texts from Daniel, including one that says "I will always be a cheater", she shows some other texts and acts like they're talking about the rape (but later turned out to be about cheating) one of them said something like "I act like the person the voices in my head say I am" or something like that, there were more that looked like they were talking about rape but I can't remember them
>at the end of the video she said she reported it to the Las Vegas police (who knows if she really did though) and she also says in her original video that she basically didn't realize it was assault until after, if that's the case then why would she have gone to the police so soon before getting back home, Idk
>around the time right after the Vegas trip, Daniel's channel went on hiatus for a month or two and said it was because of mental health concerns
>a few days after the allegations come out, he uploads a 90 second video saying he's gonna respond to the allegations and that he has clear and convincing evidence that he didn't sexually assault her, he's clearly reading something and not making eye contact and seems nervous

>a few days later, Naomi uploads "Daniel Greene situation part II". It had her showing even more texts but the texts ended up making her look bad, the texts that were posted in the youtuber thread, of her basically saying she's mad at Daniel for "going back and forth" on whether he'd have sex with her, and saying she wanted it. another one of him saying "oh shit did I cross other lines? did I pressure you?" and she says "the issue is that you keep going back and forth" read the texts yourself >>2089941
>in the video she shows even more texts from him, though I don't have screenshots of those
>one of them is how they met, which was him messaging her on Instagram over BLM
>in the beginning of the video she says "I even wrote songs about the dude" showing lyrics to 3 songs, 2 of them were called "maybe someday" and "we knew each other first"
>in that video she also starts reenacting him jerking off onto her and what he was saying while he was doing it, extremely uncomfortable to watch. the video got taken down because of it
>everyone starts to realize Naomi is full of shit

pt 2

Daniel's side:
>Naomi was harassing him and Kayla after the Vegas trip, even though they blocked her on several platforms, she also had a friend harass them
>she sent them a video of her crying (it does seem like super fake crying) saying "I wish I could take it all back, I wish I could take it all fucking back, I wish I had said no, I wish we had never gone to Vegas, I feel so fucking guilty for what I did to Kayla, it wasn't worth losing what we had" she showed snippets of that video in her own videos but edited to make it look like she was crying about rape and not the affair, I think she just played the "I wish I could take it all fucking back, I wish we never went to Vegas" part. she also says "I feel terrible for cheating on Kel, he treats me better than anyone I've ever been with" Kel was a married man that Naomi was seeing
>he shows the text messages that she posted that were basically a self own about her begging him to have sex with her
>we find out that he wasn't totally sober that night, he was on 10 milligrams of weed, plus that he only knew about her taking 1 edible at noon, didn't know about her taking any after that and when he greeted her at the hotel she walked all the way down to the lobby and greeted him and "walked back upstairs sober as a whistle"
>Kayla comes on screen and says that Naomi messaged her first with a video to apologize about the Vegas thing. Kayla said she wanted to hear her side of the story because she thought it seemed fair. After that Kayla sends her a message (that Naomi never showed) that said "I understand you feeling guilty, but please just let me grieve in peace, I'm trying to hold on to what pieces of my life I have left and this just sends me into a world of hurt. I just want it to stop. I just want to be left alone." after that she sent the "you both are vile, despicable human beings to do this to another person, over years. I'm revolted by the mere sight of you." Naomi acted like this was in response to her telling Kayla about getting raped when it was really about the affair. Kayla shows her own messages and says how there's no mention of sexual assault, and that if there was she would have taken it very seriously because she's survivor of SA herself. Her comments were about learning about the affair, not about sexual assault
>Kayla blocked her then received a message from someone saying they were Naomi's friend and roommate (she doesn't say what they messaged her but it probably doesn't matter)

>there were posts on Tumblr and other places of someone saying they were raped by Daniel Greene, he didn't even know who it was until he started working with a lawyer to get them taken down and it turned out it was Madison
>Daniel talks about a girl named Madison, who he went on a few tinder dates with. He went to Ireland to study abroad after that. When he got back from Ireland Madison drove several hours out of her way to go see him.
>he filed a police report against Madison for that
>Madison has a pattern of making accusations every time he hits milestones like when he first reached 100k subscribers or when he released his first book

>Daniel said Naomi kept asking him to buy lube during the trip and even pulled up a nearby sex shop on her phone to go get it from and he refused
>he says he takes full accountability for lines being crossed
>Naomi said that when they got to the hotel she went to the pool and Daniel just stayed in the hotel for hours. This was also a lie because they went to a bunch of different places, one of them being omega mart and Daniel shows a bunch of receipts from it
>he shows messages showing that he's the one who demanded they should confess and that he should confess to Kayla, when Naomi acted like it was her
>Daniel says how he and Kayla have worked in therapy a lot so that he stops cheating, Kayla comes on at the end saying how Daniel is such an amazing person and wants to spend her life with him
>she's also his business partner and helps him make content

I might be missing a few details, but that's basically most of the important stuff. Sorry that was so long.

some updates

>Naomi uploaded several apology videos and kept taking them down, one of them had the 8 page letter in it. The video was basically just "well I never said I was raped and never said I said no and never fought him off. I'm so sorry to Daniel and Kayla, and to all the survivors I've hurt. that wasn't my intention. I've become that person who has sent SA survivors back. OOPS tehe I'm gonna log off the internet now"
>then she uploaded another video with 2 other anonymous women talking about how Daniel allegedly raped them but have 0 evidence and don't even identify themselves, Naomi took this video down promptly too and hasn't uploaded anything since that I know of

My speculation: Daniel and Naomi were basically having a years long on/off emotional affair. Naomi is a crazy obsessive BPDchan who got tired of being strung along and exploded. He simply could have avoided all of this shit by just not being a cheating dickhead. He also is always saying how people (mostly authors etc) are trying to sue him for talking about them so he got media training and now says "allegedly" constantly and released a shirt with one wizard pouring another wizard tea that says "allegedly". At the end of his video he's like "if someone comes after you or your family HIRE A LAWYER. IT'S NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Which is true I realize suing Naomi and authors suing him are 2 different things, but it still seems a tiny bit hypocritical. There was no way anyone would have seen that original video from Naomi and known it was supposed to be about Daniel.

here's a video of someone reading the letter, or you can read it yourself here but the shitty quality of the screenshots makes it hard to read https://imgur.com/a/naomi-king-eight-page-letter-dtQs0vq

there's a lot of "you tell me you think about me when you fuck her, you tell me how you want me so badly then disappear for months, you tell me how your dream scenario is being with me and kayla is your best friend" etc etc, between this and the "I will always be a cheater" texts I don't know how kayla is still with him

and here's her apology video

>>2090785
He's scum for cheating, and she seems like a disgusting bpd whore. They deserve each other, I just really hope Kayla leaves his ass.

>>2090778
>>2090779
Thank you so much for the summary nona, may your pastures be forever green!
Man I felt so guilty for taking one look at her channel and thinking she seemed like an untrustworthy slut (for a lack of a better term) when I usually never am the person to judge a victim based on appearance. But I guess my intuition was right.

Kayla sounds stupid though, unless she's cheated on him too there'd no reason to stay with a gross serial cheater like that.

So she entirely made up the details of rape in the first video? The one where she talked about him trying to stick his penis in her and her saying no and that "[she's] not having sex without lube"? While she was breaking down in tears? I'm absolutely shocked at this. Her original video made me cry because her pain seemed so real and I actually related to some of it with my own personal experience with assault. After all of that she was just having a BPD meltdown because she wanted to steal him from his wife he cheats on… wow. My question is what's the story on that tumblr post about him being a rapist? Was that some kind of planted evidence or something?

>>2090951
No they did stuff but it was consensual according to the text messages, we don't (and probably never know) the extent of what they did. My guess is he was jerking off on to her cause they didn't have lube but who knows. The video was extremely emotional and that's why it had so many people fooled. It's really disturbing that someone can fake their emotions that well.

The Tumblr post was from his stalker Madison, it's mentioned in the summaries.

>>2090846
>taking one look at her channel and thinking she seemed like an untrustworthy slut
You're not the only one, just look at the comments on this video.

Previous thread >>>/snow/1959094

>>2090975
Men who associate with someone like that when they only know them from their content are clearly a special kind of shitty breed. Makes me mad his gf/fiance is such a doormat she didn't break up with him over cheating

>>2091295
He didn't only know her from his content, they were friends for years. When she got the cease and desist in 2023 they had already known each other for 3 years. That video is only from like a year ago.

>>2091300
>He didn't only know her from his content, they were friends for years.
They became friends from being content creators, did they not? Did she use to be a squeaky clean good girl until a year ago?

>>2091301
They became friends over Instagram in 2020 over a BLM post. According to the leaked text messages/letter she wrote they talked a lot. In other words they met from being content creators but became friends after that and had lots of text/phone convos etc. over the years.

This isn't the first video I've seen about the topic, but it's the first one being shoved in my face and spoken about by a flagrant pickme. Normally I see booktube moids crying about how women are "preferred" in contemporary fiction publishing and how the publishing industry is SOOOOOO SEXIST AGAINST MEN WAAAAH!!

It's not women's fault that men neither read enough nor purchase enough to warrant publishers into making a deal with them in this particular genre. Most moids read regular fantasy or old lit if they want to sound exceptionally smug. All men do is whine that they're not getting gibs but they're not putting any of the effort nor forking up the cash to be in the radar of specific genre fiction.

>>2091350
fucking boatloads of them are published constantly, books about Hitler and tanks and golf and fishing and literary novels about how a sad professor is horny and having sex with undergrads with big boobs and science fiction books about spaceman being horny and having sex with green alien lady with big boobs and detective novels about detective being horny and having sex with shady redhead with big boobs
books about Jesus the CEO and books about how you can make a kajillion dollars by flipping houses or bitcoins or whatever the fuck
also every children’s book is for boys, from Percy Jackson to Dogman to Captain Underpants to Diary of a Wimpy Kid

>>2091350
I'm not even gonna post it, but I got recommended a similar video recently complaining about how women are "ruining" fantasy and scifi because the best selling books in that genre are ACOTAR and Fourth Wing. Yeah those books are kind of trash (especially Fourth Wing) but the video called them degenerate because they're full of smut- which isn't even really true, ACOTAR is not really as smutty as people think it is (well at least the first 2 books aren't). In the video he said "they're not even fantasy, just romance with a fantasy setting" which also isn't true, there's more plot going on in both of those books (albeit generic plots, but so is a lot of male fantasy). Nevermind the fact that men have been inserting their sexual fantasies into fantasy and scifi since the genre began. How many fantasy books can you think of that constantly describe women's breasts/nipples, and has a character that women constantly throw themselves at for no particular reason (looking at you, Witcher). The Name of he Wind has a lot of absurd sex scenes in it too. Wheel of Time has the main protagonist end up with 3 hot women (which is HEAVILY inspired by Dune) and WoT is not even that bad in that regard. I'm sure GoT has that even though I haven't read it. I fail to see how any of that is less "degenerate" than books like ACOTAR.

All of the comments were whining about how there's "no books for young boys anymore". Boohoo, I'm sure there are but they're not reading them because 12 year old boys would rather be playing minecraft or watching hentai than reading. People in general don't read that much anymore but the majority of people who still read are women. I'm also not saying their isn't a smut problem in modern books, but it's more that the publishing industry sucks now and promotes trash that it knows will sell instead of actual good literature.

>>2091644
This is so true and it’s always on a cycle. I think there’s plenty of critiques to be had about certain authors but it seems like every 5 years there’s a new women’s fiction/romance author who becomes the punching bag for men and reason pinnacle of why art is degrading, as if there’s a finite amount of good literature in the world and it’s being leeched by women who happen to write the female equivalent of Clancy novels. First it was Stephanie Meyer, then EL James, Sarah J Maas, Colleen Hoover. Rebecca Yarros to an extent. All of them write books extremely popular with women and rather than actually critique the stuff in the books they’re used as a blanket to hate on women for daring to enjoy pulpy novels written for fun. It’s never male authors who get this treatment. No one says that Dan Brown is ruining literature for churning out another book where some guy saves the day with his questionably younger woman sidekick. You don’t have to like the books or think they’re great but there is something to be said about how cyclical this pattern is and how often these dudebros use it to just shit on women and how they shouldn’t be writing in this genre or whatever the fuck.

>>2091350
Moids literally don't read books that aren't about politics, history, already tired fiction like LOTR, religion, self-help and so on because, you know the visual sex? They seem to have trouble visualizing shit while reading anything.
Hell, I haven't even seen a single moid in my entire 30 years alive, a literature student btw, reading a book for actual fun, not even degenerate shit, they read because they want to "prove a point" (aka say nanananananananaIdon'thearyouI'mbetterthanyouandIhaveaPenis) or seem intelligent to others.

>>2091699
>seem intelligent to others.
Yes, hence the fantasy (in which moids have now turned it into some RPG experience with autistic leveling up and stats, I'm not fucking kidding), and the old literature.

"Oh you haven't read Joyce, Tolstoy, Hemingway, or [insert meme author of the 1800s]???" then proceed to talk their heads off how smart the writing is and how smart they are for reading it and being above the plebeians who read books written for the peasantry, but not them! Modern books are too poorly written, bland, female, etc, for their big brains!

>>2091699
>They seem to have trouble visualizing shit while reading anything.
Holy shit kek, this is literally what a moid told me recently, though a bit different from your example. He doesn't read novels because he can't imagine anything. He only likes stuff with pictures, like manga (explains a lot) I'm seriously concerned about the state of today's youth in regards to literacy