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This thread concerns creators, artists, voice actors and others who work or are connected to the modern Western American animation and comics industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
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>‘Among Us’ Animated Series in the Works at CBS Studios From ‘Infinity Train’ Creator Owen Dennis >>1854283>Trans Grooming in children's media >>1854721>Pixar advertising tried force a "Morbin tine" like meme with a minor character from Elemental >>1854843, >>1855240>>Elizabeth Bank's plans a 'Flintstones' Sequel titled 'Bedrock' >>1855390>speculation that this is likely just a vanity project for Elizabeth Banks with a recognisable IP >>1855552>Nimona turns is a surprise successes >>1856549>Ruby gillman bombs >>1858288>pedo obsessed with teacher/student loli is a story artist at Pixar >>1861162, >>1861181, >>1861219>RIP Cartoon Network Studios >>1868348>Rick and Morty Anime Adaptation >>1869311>more soulless Disney live action adaptions >>1870614>The Patrick Star Show turned Bubble Bass into a Nostalgia Critic reference >>1870689>Live-Action Moana Announcement >>1871691>Homicidal gangboss says "trans rights" >>1873213>discussion of bad comic book writing >>1873615, >>1873887, >>1887552>more live action adaptions from Mattel >>1875975, >>1876111>RIP Johnny Hardwick/Dale Gribble >>1879266>Scott pilgrim animated adaption >>1883219>fujo animator for and owl house is making a BL jekyll & Hyde comic >>1890634, >>1891647>old pedo comic artist discussion >>1893230>Rebecca Sugar created a TikTok account >>1893441>Clone High season 2 writers don't understand it was a parody of teen dramas >>1898164>Far Fetched pilot discussion >>1903041, >>1903277>Rick and Morty New Trailer >>1904394>clown show made by troon that works with Vivzie >>1906880
>Fionna and Cake discussion >>1891407, >>1891618, >>1896989, >>1898643, >>1898834, >>1899007, >>1901865
>Misc Helluva Boss/Vivziepop drama and discussion >>1854465, >>1856637, >>1873856, >>1879805, >>1881811, >>1881891, >>1887642, >>1887986, >>1889443, >>1890316, >>1891597, >>1895583, >>1895648, >>1895802, >>1896427, >>1897120, >>1902352, >>1905763m >>1905834
Since this is the most active thread on the site for animated content, casual non-milk discussions about comics and other animated topics are also permitted.
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Disney literally can't do 2D Animation anymore even if they wanted.
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Dana made a patreon!
Does that mean she is done with the animation industry? With canceling her show and all?
"Ultimately 2D has too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization"
Whew what a lie. I'll tell you one thing, it's got nothing to do with camera angles or whatever other excuse they pulled out of their ass and it has a lot more to do with these people and their early life sections on Wikipedia and the true green-monster that motivates people of a certain "background" that tend to gravitate towards working in the animation industry.
Oh my bad nonnie
Good luck to her. Her art is really cute and the Owl House would have worked a lot better as a comic imo, where her style could shine through a little more
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Disney, the largest and most profitable company in the world: uhh 2D hard… can't do it no more…
Japan and China: Hold my beer.
fr. Most of western animation isn't even animated where they're storyboarded, they send it overseas bc it's cheaper, yet Disney is still complaining about how that's too expensive bc they know that if they actually hired western animators they'll get their shit kicked in by union
actually fucking embarrassing
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The animation industry in in a terrible shape. Nothing's getting greenlit, nobody can get a job. Can't blame her for getting a side hustle.>>1907759
2D animation isn't more expensive, but it provides less control. You can't change things until the very last minute like what happened on Spiderverse, everything has to be locked by the animatic stage.
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Kingdom hearts has better graphics than this shit.
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The avoidance of 2D has never been rational, and its the sullying of its reputation in the west is entirely Disney's own fault. They devalued their 2D brand by sharting out all of those direct-to-video sequels in the 90s, then they sabotaged their own upcoming 2D projects with shit advertising so they could start using CGI to compete with Pixar and Dreamworks. They burned bridges with 2d-based artists like Aaron Blaise in the early 2000s, and laid off countless more. I personally know several people who refuse to ever work with Disney again over the shit they pulled. All so they could muscle in on the CGI fad. The old guard who knew traditional animation principles is gone, their ranks replaced with Bean Mouth retards and nepo kids.
It was never about production costs. Disney has wasted obscene amounts on a handful of box-office flops in the last ten years. They were mad that other studios reputations had eclipsed their own, and they wanted in on that racket. The shitty """live-action""" CGI remakes are also part of this scheme, they're a combination of holding-pattern, Oscar-fishing, and the misguided belief that 2D animation is a worthless money sink. Nothing reflects their bizarre hatred of 2D more than that awful Chip and Dale movie that come out last year– a film that constantly berates a character for being animated in 2d while clearly using CGI to animate him.
Then they had the nerve to call Zemeckis' films "creepy" even though their own """live action""" remakes often look just as bad if not worse.
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like really, they have talented people here too and said talented people could pass on their talent before they croak
>>1907717>2D had too many limitations
I have never wanted to alog so badly before on this entire website holy shit, we truly live in a world bankrupt of culture and discernment.
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>>1908479>2D animation isn't more expensive, but it provides less control.
Reminds me of this great write-up I found on reddit about Disney's new film: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/16vycjj/comment/k2uagu6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Asha's personality is XD quirky and #relateable like all the other recent protags have been. Literally what's the difference between her and Mirabel?
Why is there an east Asian woman in Andalusian Spain too? And get this, she's also fat and disabled. (Official merchandise has the lady with a fucking crutch)Like what the fuck are they doing here? They're beyond parody at this point.
Why do all female protags have to have this personality now? It's so tired and annoying. When I originally saw Asha's design, I thought she was going to be more stoic and classically graceful, maybe like a Belle or Pocahontas. >Why is there an east Asian woman in Andalusian Spain too?
This obsession with having the cast reflect modern American diversity regardless of the actual setting of the movie makes everything resemble a cheap Renaissance fair.
Celebrity voice talent inflates the budget, for one. Gotta have that now, apparently. They've also got to shart these movies out as quickly as possible and focus-group them to hell and back until you're left with an incoherent mess. Frozen 2 is a good example of this, the plot makes no sense and the movie took forever because of some feedback they got from test audiences 80% of the way into production. They had to completely revise the plot to please those retards, apparently, and I guess it was worth it because it made a boatload of money despite being panned by critics.
I know it's a little retroactively tainted by having Johnny Depp in it, but Rango looks better than literally anything Disney (not Pixar) has done in the last fifteen years. Klaus was a breath of fresh air, and looks incredible. Disney has sacrificed the quality of their work for the sake of mass-market appeal and sucking China's cock. DreamWorks and Pixar have the same problem. Seems like the only people who know how to make a good movie these days aren't working for those companies.
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Ang is notorious for suicide baiting. She's managed to get over 30k in the last 6 months from the suckers that follow her and she still does the "I'm really gonna do it this time" routine. If this is the end though then I'll miss her alien abduction rants
The situation with Ang is getting weirder and weirder. She’s apparently got some 20 year old European “proshipper” furry “guiding her through EOL care” and acting as her handler in her “final days”.
Shame she’s crazy, I followed her before all the drama and she’d occasionally post critiques of film/story structure that I thought were insightful.
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What's the deal with "Skibidi Toilet"? These videos have millions of views and the comments all seem bizzare, some bots with actual children posting
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Ang is a complete munchie. In her 2019 suicide note (not the first nor probable last) she talks about constantly showing up at clinics and getting rejected by doctors who weren't putting up with her shit.
Could I ask was it the time from 2019? Or another instance? I wonder if this was a common occurrence given that the 2019 one was just about how supposedly shitty her roommates were and how she's totally withering away (https://web.archive.org/web/20190907172550/https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Jy4lLahTs7XWb4c31kw8O5nWyrQJC_6gbx27Nb4EWE/mobilebasic
Oh yeah, Oliver and Company's
cast really felt like the sort of casting you'd see with a kid's movie today. Bette Midler, Billy Joel, and Cheech Marin. Bette is the only one who actually fit the part she played imo. They literally made Dodger an adult instead of a teenager because of Billy Joel. However I don't think it set the trend as much as Aladdin did, and Katzenberg was involved with both Shrek and
Aladdin. The trend existed before Shrek, but it didn't become the standard for all
kid's movies until then.
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This is just her latest claim of abduction and was just several days before she decided to end it (again). Funnily enough her own followers either tried to coddle her and went along with it or straight up were calling her a schizo lol
So to summarize, someone draws shota or lolicon and submits it publicly to baraag.net, some dude named Kyle finds out, Kyle DMs nine of his friends saying essentially "this is fucked up and I'm breaking ties with this person", other people apparently do the same, and now the person that drew shota/loli is threatening to kill themselves because they've been 'blacklisted'. But, this same person has a history of suicide baiting and bizarre claims of alien abduction? And now there's a campaign by this person's followers to try and get this Kyle guy removed from a convention? How the fuck is that going to work out? Hey, this guy was deeply disturbed by this person drawing and posting what is considered by some to be CP, so they privately messaged their coworkers/friends about it, and everyone decided that they wanted to cut ties with someone that draws disturbing porn, so now that person is suicidal because of it. And that's why Kyle should leave. Because this suicidal person might actually do it this time, even though they've been threatening to kill themselves since at least 2019. If Kyle leaves, this person won't kill themselves? Wtf is going on lmao
Who is “Miggs” in this?>>1910026
Kyle was her old boss.
was he her boss at the time this went down? Sorry, the threads on twitter are an absolute clusterfuck. I see posts about how Kyle DM'd friends, not co-workers or this person's employer, about how they saw what they were drawing and was disturbed and didn't want to associate with them anymore. Contacted the friends, said hey this shit is gross and I'm out, do what you want with it, but here's the reason I'm out. And now they're calling Kyle a murderer because he has disassociated from the person drawing shota/loli and the other friends of his followed suit. Some people are calling it "invader zim porn", I haven't seen the image in question. Others are refuting that it's "invader zim porn". In one post, Ang tells Kyle he's wrong for exposing her "private kinks", in another post, she chalks it up to art to "deal with her trauma" as a CSA survivor… what the fuck? This is such a mess. And layers of arguments about how people aren't being good leftists because they think drawn child sex is gross, and publicly disavowing people that do it isn't leftist… I'm getting too old for this shit man.
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A bit off topic but a interesting note about Ang. One of her closest friends was a someone claiming to be a blacklisted cartoonist who's whole schtick is that she's currently in a incestuous relationship with her father. The moids on co pretty much determined her style to be very close to a animator that goes by polygotplatypus/nullbackdoorho so this could very much be a elaborate larp (at least I hope so) but a interesting rabbithole nonetheless. Said friend claimed to meet up with Ang 'irl'. She's locked now but she was posting cute relationship comics whilst her best friend is supposedly dying in agony kek. Should mention Ang has gotten in deep water twice before for supporting irl incest
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It never fails to amuse me that THIS guy is the one that got Ang cancelled. He looks like the most stereotypical creeper sex pest ever, but the roles were reversed this time.
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Oh I wouldn't put it past Kyle to be a predator given he was in close contact with the John K right before his outing. But for now he's just another creepy white guy with yellow fever in the animation biz. Meanwhile Ang posted these fantasies on a public acc with no disclaimer that its fictional and expected not to get in trouble over it. Everyone in this story is a fat sex freak
I definitely think she’s Backdoorho. She did have a tweet right before she locked her Twitter about wanting people to respect her privacy while she grieved the loss of Ang, but that was all.>>1910091>Oh I wouldn't put it past Kyle to be a predator given he was in close contact with the John K right before his outing.
Where did you hear this? John and Kyle have never been friendly. John mocked Kyle’s art on his blog years and years ago and Kyle never got over it.
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apparently he wated to fuck her and she refused so he outed her. there is definetly something really weird going on because it's well known that all industry pros draw fucked up shit and post it under a nick, so in my guess she threatened to out some superior as a sexual harasser ala chris savino, they found out, and decided to blacklist her first.
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In 2021 Ang was friends with two lesbos that were larping as sisters and she went along with it. People of course didn't know this so they were concerned and Ang outed them out of fear she'd get more backlash (https://web.archive.org/web/20210708013814/http://Twitter.com/politepuppet
) Hilarious now given everything with Laika.
And then there was her own larping about a little brother she was molesting but she was like "gais I was just totally joking!" But I can't find any scs. She's got a crazy track record with this type of thing.
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The Homestuck fanartist? I remember there being a bunch of drama on Tumblr because she shipped her teenage OC Anshu with an adult character, or drew porn of her, or some kind of Tumblr faux pas like that. Picrel gives an overview of what happened, but take it with a grain of salt because the person who wrote it is a bit of a cow herself. Also the links are broken because the OP is a retard who didn't bother to archive or screenshot anything.https://jakemorph.tumblr.com/post/184188348347/for-whatever-reason-i-woke-up-to-a-bunch-of-asks
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Ang got a wellness check "forced" on her by a close friend and she's super traumatized now. Obviously this is unforgivable and now she's filing a restraining order
Fuck man. I’m kinda disoriented today so I was getting kinda worried how I was coming across as I wrote that. But tbh there’s some abstract surrealness to the characters so I shouldn’t be so hard on myself. Like, get this. The way the camera mans defeat the Skibidi toilets is they fucking flush them. They literally fucking flush them. The fucking toilets. Occasionally take a plunger too.>>1910234
The Skibidi toilets are the bad guys. The protagonists are camera man, tv man, speaker man and tv woman. I have a nephew that’s how I know all this. I was confused at first too, like why he was so obsessed with some speaker man when there is no immediate reference to this character. What even is a speaker man. Tbh I think this is just going to be one of those things where there’s a generational gap and most older people just won’t get it.
There's a bunch of Japanese and Korean comments on the toilet videos so not only western mimimoods>>1910222
Thank you anon for that recap. It did sound like a schizo rambling kek but that made me kind of interested so I checked out some of the videos. Like you said, it's actual nonsense with very well animated war and fight scenes. I feel like it's a successor to the glitchy TF2 memes but on a much bigger scale.
Samefag, he also does a lot of body horror shit. Between this and small children being obsessed with the ugly huggy wuggy doll shit, I wonder why are small gen alpha children into horror so much. Maybe the aftermath of Elsagate kek
But… why toilets, why skibidi, what the fuck is that supposed to mean and why is it funny to kids? It's literal jargon. Is this the state of kid's humor now? Just make up words and repeat them non-stop? Just… toilets? And a silly cringy song? It's not even from a videogame, is it?
I know kids like the action scenes and it's like dbz but even if that was bad and corny it still made sense. But here we have toilets for some fucking reason, in a war setting with weapons and soldiers, and there are those fucking faces which are kind of unsettling tbh because they jitter around and make those exaggerated expressions.
It's honestly sad that this kind of stupid repetitive shit is being targeted to male kids. I'm sure it's making them retarded.
Kids don't have any understanding of good or bad content. In the late aughties crazy frog, a shitty animated frog created to sell ringtones became a sensation
. The ugly little thing went from an ad to a chart topping 'musician' who was featured in various award events. This isn't a new phenomenon, repeat something ad nauseum like ads and kids will latch unto it. It is effective in its stupidity.
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The European furry who's currently "caring" for Ang is leaving the internet because too many people were asking questions. She's a cow in her own right with her posting a vid of her stroking a dog dildo with her hairy ass feet for donations whilst ang was having a public meltdown and threatening suicide kek
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The Pinocchio fujoshis handle is princessxmisery and as far as I know they were just friends as seen in this goodbye post in the dramatic #angslegacy tag. I believe the last relationship was a qweer invader zim polycule where ang claimed to have been raped but she's claimed to have been raped in all of the last 3 relationships she's been in (yes really) so who knows.
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does anyone remember this show? i never watched it but i remember it being bashed for like a week and then got forgotten. theres nothing remarkable to say, i just think that this show is the peak demonstration of the current state of the western industry, with its bland art style and generic premise, made only to rot in the back of a few people's minds. high guardian spice is also like this.
most of the reception was negative but i remember seeing slight hype for it because the taller girl was apparently a tranny kek
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Googled something like 'magical girl friendship squad tranny' and got this. what is the truth
That tbh sounds more like a you problem than a bigger picture that needs to be dealt with. Kids are fine looking at scary stuff catered to kids, like Goosebumps. If your parents weren't supervising you in what you were watching then it's on them, not the movie. Maybe it's because I was raised with a "if you think it's scary just turn it off, shut your eyes or walk away, it's your own responsibility" when it came to media I don't see the issue. My friends at your mentioned ages talked nonstop about Eerie Indiana, Goosebumps, Courage and other "creepy" shows for kids that occasionally had slight body horror. The only times I've heard of kids being scarred by horror is when they accidentally, or by dumb choice and curiosity, watch something they're too young for, like you did. Which, again, is the parent's or babysitter's responsibility to prevent.
No, I get it. I'm from a similar country as anon you replied to, horror for us is a '15+' affair, you're not old enough to watch horror movies until 15, ergo you're not old enough to watch horror until 15, period.
This may have to do with how hands-off our parenting style is, kids do get into stuff meant for older kids on their own due to normalised lack of supervision. Parents are expected to both work and teachers are meant to have a hand in raising their students. If teachers have to comfort children over scary stuff geared towards slightly older kids, it takes up time meant to be raising the rest of the children. Easier to just ban scary stuff.>>1910663
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I think Courage is a lot different than FNAF and Huggy Wuggy because Courage never had gore and the plot wasn’t strictly “they’re trying to kill you”.
In other news, Wish looks like shit! I actually looks terrible! All the comments under this post are praising the designs, i said “They all look like shit” and was immediately dogwhistled as racist for some reason.
The one in the red dress offends me with how bad she looks.
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Look closely at their designs. They’re based on the seven dwarfs.
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SA but I’m coming back to say that this one has personally offended me with how terrible it looks.
she looks like asian-girl Shrek>>1910690
seriously fire the male staff, give us beefcake bishounen for femgaze. it's women paying their bills and buying their movies–cater to us. there's not a single attractive man in this and it's set in SPAIN, home of tall dark and handsome beefcakes. absolutely worthless.
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all the women are pretty button-nosed tiktok influencers while the males have tumor for noses and look special needs. Since this is supposed to be a nod to old disney movies they could have at least tried to make their male characters look handsome like how they used to look in their old movies. Naveen was the last attractive male disney character. And no, i am not trying to imply i want coom and beefcake in my children hollywood slop, but it's annoying how all the female characters look like e-girls while the male characters all look goofy/ugly. At least in older movies both the female protagonist and the love interest were attractive. It genuinely feels like an insult to female viewers.
it's like this in every piece of media written by moids. take monster or alien species. the girls will be humanoid-ish tittycakes with glittery pink skin and the men will be facehugger-looking abortion bags with fangs. and for disney to make all the male characters hideous, it's telling women, "no matter how hot you are, you deserve to be with a fugly puke-face obese neckbeard with noodle arms. you must settle."
men need to be banned from breathing.
probably some equivalent beergutted malding scrote like dan schneider wormed his way into an exec seat.
look, i'll point to a woman-lead development like She-ra. Bow is pretty much the only important male character, and he's hot and a human puppy dog level sugar cookie. And when males write the content, you get ugly gassy fat scraggly unwashed scrotes being paired with 10/10 women. men cannot write because their dick gets in the way, and their dick caters to their fetish wish fulfilment, IE that attractive woman will want his crusty ass. men shouldn't be in charge of any decision making. they're best as slave-apes doing manual labor. Remove men from the industry. If a man doesn't look good, what value does he have?
We had it in Scandinavia, but only if you were rich enough to pay for cable. And even then, it was daytime programming so the chances of catching it was extremely slim.
Books were translated, but books are a bit different, we have some horror books for kids since they are easier to age-segregate, those are difficult to come by unless you are actively searching for them though, and are often aimed at early teens. My recollection of Goosebumps was that they were easy to read, so not the kind of thing that a reading teen searching for spooky stories would pick up.
Another anon called it “sims 3 base sims” and it absolutely reads as such—the clay/doughy textures look like absolute shit.
Christ, Elemental and Strange World sucked and this one looks like a stinker too.
Ayrt, I'm also in Scandinavia, though in our households (maybe it depends on countries, or which part of the country if we happen to live in the same place) channels with mostly/only children's content were included with the channels that came with the area's apartment contracts so it wasn't exactly a rich kid thing and actually not all that uncommon. Though since we got movies like Ronja Robber's Daughter and Lionheart Brothers that gets pretty dark maybe we have a different thresholds on what's considered scary?
Also between grade 4 to 6 when my school had "book weeks" we would get a selection of books to choose from in my school where there always was one that was horror themed - either as actual story books or a collection of shorter stories.
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this woman's face annoys me more than it should lmao. I hate these pseudow-dreamworks faces where the characters tries to look cocky to appear cool for the kids. other anons already has compared it to the Sims but it really does remind me of the expressions in sims 4
That movie looks like it’s going to be shit. I’m so tired of the shoehorning black characters into everything. >inb4racebait
Just wish they’d do something new and not obviously pander-y
I grew up in the countryside. My family could not afford cable, nor could anyone I knew, unless they lived in a huge house and their parents had really nice jobs.
Ronja & Lionheart were kids' stories, but they weren't explicitely framed as horror. I think horror was also entwined with violence to a lot of people, violence was a no-no to a lot of moms (and still is).
I recall finding horror books for grades 6 and up in my school library, goosebumps existed as well, although I recall it being very 'easy' to read compared to the horror books. We were not encouraged to read, and were punished for spending time inside the library during recess.
>>1910663>almost never heard about children being scarred by horror shit
There's a huge amount of zoomers and young millennials saying how adult horror retellings of MLP and other cartoons made their psyche fucked up. How spending time on 4chan when they were really little fucked them up socially. Same with soft porn on YouTube or hard porn they find online. Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And putting responsibility onto children is dumb, you realise children have morbid curiosity and won't turn off something they don't realize is harmful (gore, porn). Children around 5-9 yo aren't smart enough to understand what's not good for them. >>1910756
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This looks like a parody of Disney character designs. Why the hell do men always have gigantic noses?
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From the discussion above, Disney had a meeting with a women employees to intentionally make Flynn Rider handsome. The male character designers and directors are so weak and intimidated by fiction CGI men they can't even make a handsome guy unless it's important to the story and called out. They'll make butt ugly quirked up characters with dynamic 'shape language ' because that's the CalArts ticket to make ART (tm).
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Just sad that this is seen as a funny story - lol women have preferences!
what is even supposed to be wrong with ang? everyone is talking as though she's already dead but what is she supposed to be dying OF, other than being so horribly mistreated and being an utter victim
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It's kind of a huge clusterfuck but heres what I sorted out. She claims to have Long Covid, ME/CFS, recurring spinal cord tethering, POTS, MCAS, EDS, and mold sensitivity. Recently she moved into a new apartment in LA with the money she grifted but immediately got sick from cheap digestive pills from china. Given that whole situation & that she's all tapped out of cash she's decided to enter her own form of "EOL" which is so vague her own supporters are questioning it. She talks about her various afflictions in her almost 3 hr long pity vid if you can stand it (https://youtu.be/8Sb3Y0BPIQY?si=5DchTQzIPiiWCpGH
okay so to clarify she's a munchie. none of those conditions, most of which are probably psych-based or just bullshit (in her case, not all cases), would cause death or require EOL care. what is she supposed to be dying of??
thanks for the info though. it's definitely what i expected.
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she also claims to be unable to work because of her munchie "disabilities"
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They've been improving a lot the last couple years, definitely trying to keep up with Japanese anime and better US stuff like Spiderverse.
western "artists" spend 10 hours a day on twitter. chinese artists spend 10 hours a day grinding. imo western animation has never been good, even the disney stuff was just yassified uguu and squish-and-squash kid junk, but in the recent decade, essentially since twitter's popularity, westerners are all lazy slackers being overtaken. it's even true for books, science, and tech. americans give their kids cookies and potato chips. the chinese stuff their kids into gymnastics training bootcamps or digital art grind workspaces, the koreans send theirs to kpop idol slavemills. sure it's brutal but it's effective.
the only thing holding chinese animation back is the sterile storytelling and obsession with wuxiashit.
Asha looks like Elsa and Anna lol of fucking course.>>1911019
She’s got some insane cope that just because the Chinese artists draw anime shit good that they’ll eventually make something that will appeal to her likely very shit taste. It’s like weeaboos loving all the awful trash like that toenail clipper sniffing anime because it’s drawn pretty.
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Anna and Elsa but if you made her brown solely for the woke points.
Two more upcoming Pixar films that are getting no advertisement in place for that Wish film—Elio and Inside Out 2. I kind of like that Elio seems to mirror the likeness of Coraline but instead animated and the characters at least look INTERESTING.
Inside Out 2 is supposed to “follow Riley as she becomes a teenager” so I’m already expecting a Turning Red situation where a period is mentioned and everyone clutches their pearls.
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The movie is set in fantasy Grenada, so that's the explanation for black and brown characters. Now, there were black Moors (in fact, that's what they were referred to as), but the vast majority were North African Berbers who would not have looked dissimilar from the Spanish.
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>>1911008>imo western animation has never been good
name these animations and i might think you have a right to that opinion
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Oh ok. I knew Marceline’s voice actor is half black but I didn’t think it even mattered, it’s a damn vampire character.
We did, it feels really weird that this is brought up again with almost the same wording.
Marceline’s mom was black and/or half black. It’s literally been canon in the show that she’s mixed. Also…weird nitpick from the original anon because who cares that he’s black?
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are there any latina princesses? Asha definetly isnt considering she's from Spain. Actually quite surprised there isnt a Latina princess yet. They should have made her Argentinian or Latina in general, considering how Walt loved LATAM and a lot of early Disney movies were inspired by latino culture. Also, the second ever short of Mickey was Gaucho Mickey. It's so weird they went with Spain.
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I know it’s cringe to know this but she’s not Latina. Maybe, Hispanic, at most, because apparently the country from which her mother is from is based on Spain. But the universe of the show (both Elena and Sofia share the same) don’t have specified nations or countries, they’re made up amalgams of different places.
When the show was announced, I think a writer or creator of the show tried to proclaim Sofia as Disney’s first Latina princess, but there was some outrage because she didn’t “look” Latina, or speak Spanish or anything like that at all. Elena was then created (by the same creator of Sofia the First) as a response to the criticism towards Sofia, and she’s more overtly Latina/Hispanic (she speaks Spanish and celebrates holidays like Day of the Dead).
I know nobody really cares but I think the show is cute so I’ll take any excuse to nag about it.
>>1911636>but there was some outrage because she didn’t “look” Latina
why are americans like this? do they think all latinos are poc
with dark hair that eat tacos and go ajua dia de los muertos cinco de mayo enchiladas? sofia looks like the average chilean/argentinian/uruguayan little girl
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So this is absolutely messed up! Some troon comic book writer had the nerve to pitch a comic where Superboy would become a "trans-girl"? Thankfully, DC publishing had the sense to reject this nonsense. But what really gets me is that this isn't just some random nobody; this is a nominated writer who has worked for major comic book companies. One of their comics was even adapted into a live-action show. And to top it all off, this isn't the first time this has happened, there was another writer(some fujo who used to write slash-fic) who made Tim Drake bisexual.https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/status/1711384536817287428
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Wow very interesting video anon. I was confused at first because it was only in French audio but I had to open it on Youtube page to see that there were English subtitles for it.
I read the description and I was amazed to see that this animation was just a graduation film made by students. Lel just goes to show the underrecognized talent that exists in these animation schools only for the hacks and the degenerates to somehow get funneled into the industry.
As for the video itself there are definitely many things that could be said. For starters I agree, the ending was abrupt and unsatisfying. All of that hard work Alex invested into getting into the school only for it to mean nothing and not even being given an explanation why. Then again we should take into account the fact that this IS a graduation film, so maybe they were on a time constraint and couldn't give us a more proper ending due to the deadline?
And for us to be expected to be relieved with this "wholesome ending" it is an incredible slap to the face. Just the irony alone that they chose to animate it in a homage of prominent East-Asian animation style from countries like Japan and Korea, where the industry is so cut-throat that east Asian students in particular invest years of trying to get admitted into these prestigious schools and when they don't get in, they can go so far as to commit suicide over something so drastic. With this animation, I had hoped they were going to take the time to address this taboo issue of mental health and how life-staking it is for these students, instead they just completely glossed over such an emotionally heavy subject by saying "Oh look, she didn't get into the school and had a mental breakdown. All she needs to do is drink some bubble tea and get over it." No different than putting a band-aid over an amputated battle wound, you can't just ameliorate something drastic like that with something so trifling.
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no you fucking mong, white americans use the term latino as a slur for spanish-speaking brown people, they don't give a shit what your haplogroup or ancestry is
but lately some whites have been doing a "im so oppressed im a latinX/hispanic too see i speak spanish :) feel sad for me my brown simps"
>>1911737>East-Asian animation style
Apparently Walt Disney is "east asian" now according to this retard typing fuck
>from countries like Japan and Korea
Fucking kek. You're Korean, aren't you?
seriously, i know it's realistic but it's too depressing. there are certain types of gatekeepers who get off on sending refusals for extremely talented and hardworking people and seeing them crushed to death, they'd rather nitpick someone good and find a reason to refuse them while giving assrubs to lazy half-assed losers who are the kids of one of their bosses. especially when these jobs don't actually pay enough to live on and you're asking people to live in poverty, and the compensation is their childhood dreams. there's actually two systems: easy nepo hire babies, and deathcamps with mile-high hoops for poorfags to jump through.
if the industry has such high standards, why are the working professionals we see always untalented hacks? two level system. people sense that and get resentful because it goes against ideas of justice. you can see this more easily in other industries like music and novels. great band? going to die poor in obscurity. nepo baby? golden elevator. you can only gaslight us as being "bitter" and "jealous" so long, but we have eyes and ears and can see it plain as day in brother industries to our main.
NTA but the animator very clearly took way more influence from Trigger
than anything Disney.
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This is what straight Japanese women thought was hot (they also had a “hot man” meeting). Gen 5 came out around the same time as tangled kek.
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There exists a specific subset of AGP TIMs, almost all "transbians", who can often be found in fandom spaces and harbor an intense disdain towards straight men, particularly those who are considered attractive to women. they despise them purely because they were never considered attractive in their lives and so this is just barely disguised Incel jealously about getting back at chad. Their chosen method typically involves writing fiction to present "chad" being humiliated and beaten by their trans lesbian OCs who steal their girlfriend or having straight male actually being "trans-girls" themselves. Lily Orchard, Eldena Doubleca5t and magdalene visaggio all exhibit similar patterns, wherein they usually just ignore m/m relationships, whine and raged against m/f ships and excessively fetishized f/f
I remember in his Harry Potter video Lily Orchard talked a few times about how Hermione and Luna should have ended up together and then shared a fan fiction from one of his friend, of Harry discovering he's a trans-girl (and lesbian), like I don't think even the most extreme man-hating lesbian radfem, dislike straight men as much as they do.
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Yeah tell me about it. Straight for 7 seasons and then suddenly, time to sacrifice a character who has been straight for 40 years of go-lion content, dead at the altar to appease fujoshi, who still were not appeased. As soon as America got their hands on this they couldn't help it, they just had to fujo the place up. Nothing is safe from their clutches, nothing is sacred. Every cute boy must be a troon or a faggot.
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The comic he got nominated for is Kim & Kim, which is about two punk space bounty hunters. One is a queer girl and the other a "trans-girl". I've skimmed through parts of it, and it's literally just a troon power fantasy. They effortlessly beat their opponents, constantly get high and there's this big focus on the aesthetics of being low-class and facing oppression and again this shit was nominated twice for an Eisner Award
While it was annoying they pulled a Dumbledore/76, I loved watching the klance shippers shit themselves in rage
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holy shit this stuff gets nominated for awards? with that level of art and writting? meanwhile the manga i like often ends up cancelled or with unsatisfying endings despite the writting and art being fantastic. I am glad the whole western comic industry is being absolutely butt-fucked by shonen trash, it's the least they deserve.
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Not just nominated for anything, but the einsier awards, which is basically the highest recognition for western comics. So yeah, just being nominated is a huge deal. It used to actually mean something once, with most of the winners being genuinely good indie comics or unique elseworld tales. That was fine, but now the stories that get nominated and win are usually these types: either self-indulgent autobiographical comics about the creators lives and their never-ending "traumas", or pretentious "queer coming of age stories".
More characters = more merchandise potential, potential for a character to become viral (like the attempt with Clod from Elemental), more characters they can say are diverse and possibly get free publicity for having their first gay/lesbian character again, and probably to have more characters that could potentially have spinoff shit made if the movie or characters are popular. Also really obviously they add more characters for kids to like. I know from having nieces and nephews kids will latch onto any random glup shitto in things, I can imagine one of them possibly liking one of the ugly blond enough to beg their parents for expensive plushes. Fleshing out the minor characters doesn’t matter since they don’t even flesh out the main charactersa.
Oh and also Disney is really obsessed with crossovers right now since it’s seemingly popular with kids. I know they’re doing it with their tv cartoons right now vidrel of some shorts they’ve made with massive crossovers of new and old characters. I’m honestly just really tired of all the crossover and multiverse shit lately. and OT but everytime The Owl House characters show up in these it’s just Luz and Amity being in a relationship kek this shows legacy really is just the one popular ship.
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So Tbrainrot a former friend of both Ang & the op behind the Laika acc confirmed it was a obvs larp. This makes the events that transpired even more hilarious because that means Ang pretended to meet up with a fictional character. In spite of losing all her irl friends for drawing shota kek
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Whilst Terry is a schizo she really did know "Laika"/Adrien enough to do a art trade and praise. I think the whole shmorky friendship thing was bait/ a gag anyways
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By being the least awful among a pile of shit, because there are numerous terrible memoirs that get nominated. The only good winner in the last 8 years was Ducks: Two Years in the Oil Sands, by Kate Beaton(The creator of Hark a Vargrant), which is an autobiographical comic about an actually intriguing subject and experience. The author grew up a bookish type in a lower middle-class family and had to work in the oil fields to pay off her student loans, witnessing the physical degradation of the land and the hardships faced by the workers, also dealing with issues of being sexually harassed by some of the men, but then having no choice but to continue working, as it was their only option. again this was an interesting subject and experience, especially when compared to the other nominees like 'So Much for Love: How I Survived a Toxic
Relationship', "It’s Lonely at the Centre of the Earth: An Auto-Bio-Graphic-Novel" and "Welcome to St. Hell: My Trans Teen Misadventure "
You can tell Fright Krewe was written by a YA author because the trailer literally looks like a percy jackson/power of five spin off. On another note, the cocreator of this is an author known for lying on his memoir
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So this off-topic but there are a slew of these 'Harry Potter/Percy Jackson but' books - PJ but based on Indian mythology, HP but set in a korean boarding school, PJ but based on African American mythology e.t.c. They all get hyped on BookTok. The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one. They never understand what made Harry Potter and Percy Jackson good in the first place. They only take surface-level tropes and try to apply them to their or POC
and/or queer characters, and they think they deserve an equal amount of fame, both Harry Potter and Percy Jackson didn't come from this mindset. The genres JK Rowling was most familiar with were mysteries and thrillers, same with Rick Riordan. When his dyslexic son showed interest in Greek mythology, he wrote a book for him by doing her own research on greek mythology and also trying to make it fun for his other children.
All of those knockoffs just try to badly imitate these two, but also fundamentally lack the actual heart of it.
the fat boy makes me want to barf. also this is cultural appropriation, that burying the dead in towers thing is something persians do, and they're just making an entire cartoon mocking it and how creepy they think it is. i don't really give a shit about cult.aprop, but it's clear when a show is slapping you in the face with this much diversity that they do, or pretend to. it's really hypocritical and culturally insensitive. (it's a zoroastrian thing, towers of silence. very old practice.)
regardless this is just poor man's scooby doo and is going to flop. all those characters are annoying from 1 minute of having to look at them. does every male character really need to be a simpering coward? there's straight up nothing appealing about this. shows that are successful have hot characters people want to stan. making a show with entirely ugly stick-figure fuckers and a fat blob services no one's libido.
Nta, but of the ones I know: upper right is Kirikou, right underneath it is the soviet Mowgli, then soviet Snow Queen row down on the left and another row down on the right is When the wind blows.
Sage, but never learned to enjoy soviet cartoons (eastern european). 95% of them are ugly as sin.
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The ragdoll character reminds me of the one from this old 90s stop motion show.
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Now that you mentioned it, I can’t unsee it.
I was just talking about how all the main characters look similar to the ones in HH, which isn’t a major flaw because they have enough differences, but just something I noticed
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Tara Strong(famous Voice actress, timmy turner, powerpuff girls etc) got fired from a show after she was accused of spreading zionist propaganda and the show that fired her is now accused of being antisemitic
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This was in response to Tara's tweet
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One of the employees who got Tara kicked out. Tara will be fine boxtown taking this stance is the exception not the norm. Now all the women in gaza who are about to get ethnically cleansed, not so much
He is definitely power tripping. >>1913354
It is Alex hirsch show. It's supposed to come out fall 2023 and it is already October.
Ew, go chase tranny dick elsewhere>>1913309>Islamic FAITH>racist
WHY do they always do this? Islam is not a fucking race, why is someone criticizing Islam (which still allows honor killing of women btw, this is what they love to defend regardless of the current situation) is suddenly racist?
Token anthro characters always scream furry bait to me and his design is also just plain boring. The way the mouths are animated is kinda creepy to me but that’s a nitpick, overall I liked it. I don’t have high hopes for the fandom this will create tho, get ready for this to be treated similarly to Eddsworld or Welcome home.>>1913397
Kek haven’t they hated Tara for a while now for being problematic
does it really have to be calarts beanmouth with puke pastels? how many of these cringe ass series do we need? this is why everyone prefers anime. why is western doubling down on this ugly childish style? when something that looks like it's drawn for 7 year olds says "fuck" it's so out of place and disorienting, it's neckbeard humor. normal people are turned off by this.
nuke calarts, just let studio mir dictate art education. korra and voltron had writing issues but the char design and animation were gorgeous and everyone enjoyed it. i'm tired of noodle-limbed beanmouths. learn how to draw elbows and noses and deal with it.
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Hazbin Hotel preview taken from x/twitter, names of voice actors at the end.
God I hate Vaggie's design so much.>enormous ass hair, wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for:>le edgy X eye that clips through the hair >le edgy X tits (Sucre from OFF did it better)>random hairbow that matches nothing else in the outfit and is already competing with the giant shape of her hair>most uninspired 2011 off the shoulder dress, which is one of the very few stock female character outfits Vivzie can do>asymmetrical arm warmers for no reason>different colors and sizes of lace on the dress and socks>asymmetrical tranny socks>dress curves downwards but socks curve upwards, literally failed art 101>random strips at the bottom of the hair
I will never stop being mad at how she's known for her character designs when they are the most ugly ass amateur deviantart shit in the world.
Vivzie's entire design philosophy is completely based on making every character as asymetrical and overdesigned as possible so she can flex harder about her series being decently animated.>>1913661
This sound like a really bad decision. When people talk about hazbin it feels like a major selling point of it was "le random internet dwellers can animate better than professional studios".
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sage for nitpicking but i hate how frumpy vivzie is even at events. her wardrobe and makeup is so unflattering and cringe. the thick shitty cat eyeliner, the oversized sweater, the plastic bow tie from party city, the gaucho pants that emphasize her futa and seemingly have cat fur on them, and of course her signature dead fried hair from too much bleaching. she's stuck in 2012 and it ages her so bad.
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the moids in this industry look like this. vivzie isn't a beauty queen but at least she isn't actively trying to make herself look eyebleedingly awful
NTA. Do you know what thread
you're posting in? If a cow sells her looks like Mariah or Shayna, her appearance is fair game. But Viv's cowish qualities and industry fuckery has zero to do with how she looks, aside from the fact that she draws herself inaccurately.I'm not saying it's ~offensive~, it just isn't milk unless the person is like, comically bizarre-looking like this faggot: >>1913707
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And to think this is how she looked pre-Hazbin Hotel
Just goes to show what being a degenerate porn sick fujo-loving Tumblr faggot will turn you into KEK
Huh, why's the show in development hell? That's a long ass time for something to be in the writing stage
I love that Alex was so afraid of GF being his only notable thing and also his first notable thing, and now that has actually come to pass. Must suck being washed up at 39 years old
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Genuinely saddened by the cancellation of Faust's show. Toil and Trouble really looks like it could have been something nice.
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I hardly see a difference
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I want this movie to bomb do hard,not because I hate Disney because this shit looks lame and shitty.picrel he looks like a rejected overwatch character also his face annoys me I've never wanted to punch a Disney character before sorry for the sperging
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King Magnífico?even the name is bland as hell,I doubt it.what I can say however that he's to be as interesting as stale bread.he doesn't give me the impression of a typical Disney villain but of a Saturday morning bad guy
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Disney desperately wants to make him the next Tumblr Sexy man so badly it's painfully stupid.
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I know this sounds retarded but Pomni is just coomerbait for Twitter tards.that fact that she looks like a child is gonna attract a lot of pedos
Hmm, for what it is worth I saw a trailer for WISH at the movie theater and thought the animation was strikingly beautiful. Hadn't heard anything about the movie before seeing the trailer.
Haven't watched a trailer online, don't know how it compares.
Everyone says Pomni is cute but to me she's just annoying, they really had her have a comical freak out nearly every sentence for the whole episode. Like, we get it, she's freaked out, do they have to shoehorn a "hehehaha i'm going crazy!!" joke every time?
The jokes don't land either. I don't know if it's a pacing issue or what but it's just unfunny. And there's a lot of boring jokes packed in there, literally one every two sentences, it gets tiring fast.
Pomni's design is just ugly and autistic idk, I can't stand le quirky clown characters. I do like the concept, it needs to be executed better by people who aren't such unfunny shut-ins.>>1914601>In fact it's so autistic I instantly wondered if the barf scene was here for fetish reasons.
That… felt weird to me too. The character making a huge puddle of vomit could have been acceptable as a joke because they're teleporting and all that (although usually the character in these types of jokes just gets nauseous or barfs off camera but whatever), but the bubble character slowly licking it up afterwards?? The fuck?
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I don't know, not a particular fan of this pilot but calling her coomerbait seems like a reach, her canon design looks like an Adventure Time type of stick figure.
It's really the pacing that's awful in the first half. Don't get me wrong I didn't laugh once, but I noticed that in the latter part of the episode even though the jokes stay the same, they are paced a bit better making it more entertaining.>>1914671
It's not really about the design itself, and more about the fact that it was put into a series for non-children in the clussy fever era, on purpose - and there is the convenient excuse that she is "a woman". They know what will happen to her and they know they will benefit from it.
Her cutesy design really sells the whole thing to me, I love it but I wish she was the protagonist of a quality fun show for actual children instead.
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Wow, I really enjoyed this! I didn't like Jax the rabbit much + he will probably have a really annoying fanbase, but all the other characters and designs seemed really cool and I dig the concept. I want Ragatha and Pomni to become close friends and escape together. Is anyone else suprised they're selling so much merch already though? Was this kickstarted or something?
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you look at the creator's eyes and figure out why something he makes is so autistic kek
>>1913240>Hate the rabbit character tho, no charisma and reminds me of Angel Dust/all of Vizie’s characters
Agreed, the dude fucking reeks of tumblr sexyman bait and I'm sick to death of his character trope.
Pomni is adorable and I love her though, I'm already tempted to buy her plush.
What the FUCK!? Granting everyone's wishes is a recipe for disaster.
That's absolutely, brain-dead retarded and people in the second trailer legitimately wondered how Magnifico is a villain for that.
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Taken from the other farms
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I think she’s really going to appeal to those Deviantart autists that all draw like this and be a huge target for fetish artists. Gooseworx’s characters all give me that designed by /co/ moids vibe.
This story is so boring. It's like Aladdin except Jafar is the genie from the start. Why should the grandpa's wish be granted? Because he's related to the main character? Zero depth or motivation to any of these characters outside of Defeat The Bad Man.
The concept of a "fairy godmother in training" would have been better for a wish-centric movie. If the King didn't grant the wish because he was wise and could sense the danger, but the protagonist steals the wand/power to grant the wish and then bad things happen. This story is boring because the main character seems like a spectator in her own story, things happen to her and she reacts, but she doesn't take any initiative or make mistakes on her own. She "wins" in the end because she's the good guy.
i hope no one thirsts for him and instead disney remains baffled as to why bruno had a bunch of fujos thirst after him and not their screen tested and boringly-conventionally-attractive sexyman.>>1914937>>1914938
chatgpt ass story
>>1914991>Why should the grandpa's wish be granted? Because he's related to the main character?
Because it’s innocuous I guess? I realize it’s not that kind of story but it could have been interesting to explore the ramifications of his wish being ambiguous or morally grey but it’s the most boring basic shit, there’s no nuance or depth to any of this.>This story is boring because the main character seems like a spectator in her own story, things happen to her and she reacts, but she doesn't take any initiative or make mistakes on her own. She "wins" in the end because she's the good guy.
Exactly, it’s like she has no real agency. Not to add to the Sofia the First comparisons but this sounds like the plot of a made for tv movie based on a show for preschoolers, not Disneys big centennial theatrical feature. I wonder if it story issues in development because I can’t imagine this being the plot they had in mind all along, unless they’re intentionally trying to “subvert expectations” by delivering an extremely straightforward fairy tale with none of the tropes they’ve become known for in their current era.
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That would be because he started out as a fetish artist, still is one mind you. His fetishes include vore, inflation, transformation/TG, and characters getting literally drilled in the head.
Vore art from his @gooseworse account: https://8chan.moe/vore1/res/6167.html
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The drilling thing. Didn't watch Digital Circus but it seems like covert ryona shit in the same vein.
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??? grey hair means dilf now? he doesnt even have wrinkles nor the rugged face? Rapunzel's father had more dilf features than this hippie guy fieri
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I don't get what's appealing about these. Wait til he hears about lobotomies kek>>1913240
The fact that even so early on, with just the pilot out, he admits it's alright for people to draw r34 of Pomni. I bet he was waiting for this. He says it was bound to happen, but I bet he created this show because he wanted more people to draw fetish art of his OCs.
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I hate this fugly tranny so much. Just another white man who trooned out because of the coom
Yumes, anon. Unless they shipped Bruno with another guy, those aren't fujos.
> not their screen tested and boringly-conventionally-attractive sexyman.
The people that like Bruno are the same type of people who thirsted over Bill Cipher and the Onceler. Tumblr sexymen are rarely considered "conventionally attractive." Bruno is tumblr sexyman af
The bubble character is voiced by the creator >>1914875
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The Amazing Digital Circus (terrible name btw) is just ENA but also Don't Hug Me I'm Scared. Digital circus did not make me laugh, the jokes are very "omg kids' looking rainbow show happy fun time with ni cursing is actually DARK CREEPYPASTA backrooms lOrE!!!!" I hate that adult indie animation is either horny demons cursing or silly kids clowns attempting to curse while realistic blood comes out of their eyes!!!
Side recommend: the BBC4 DHMIS series is amazing, incredible production level and actual funny and enjoyable to watch.
I fucking knew something was up with Pomni doing the shocked anime girl expressions and the dizzy mindbroken swirly eyes thing every minute. It felt so fetishy.
I also noticed that all the female characters are whimpy scared polite uwu girls, and the one who isn't gets dismantled and is away for most of the episode. Ragatha gets glitchy and is in pain, the mask girl's sole trait is being sad, the triangle girl doesn't get screen time and Pomni is doing the mind-break thing the whole time. It does feel like one of those torture misery porn animes.
I should have known, it even has that giant toothy slug creature and the tranny bubble is a essentially a big transparent mouth, perfect for vore fetishists. >>1915259
I just fucking hate it when fetish fuel is purposely put into everything and looks innocent enough to normies that it’s just ignored as a trope of cartoons. At least this time it isn’t a family friendly cartoon, there is no other reason why so many cartoons have farts, burps, fat scenes, incest fuel and feet shit.
I don't think that normies ignore it. I've heard of moms telling their kids "That's gross, I don't want you watching that." and making them change the channel when gross fetish shit appears on screen.>>1915265>>1915314
I usually like the surreal 90's aesthetic, but this show felt off to me. Pomni, Jax and Ragatha stick out like sore thumbs, they don't fit into the "wacky" character designs of early 90s at all. Ragatha didn't turn out to be that bad character-wise but Pomni is so out of place its hilarious. Of course characters like Kinger and Zooble can look strange and interesting, but heaven forbid the female lead act like anything other than a suspiciously underage looking fragile anime waifu.
The whole thing falls apart just from the waifubaiting and ends up feeling like an inauthentic quirky OC display with a 90s backdrop.
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The creator of Boxtown is getting harassed by Tara’s fandom.
I’m surprised Alex Hirsch said nothing on Israel-Palestine conflict lol
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He sent this to everyone in the industry
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Of course it gets worse. He’s a scabber.
Finally watched this after all the commentary ITT and I fucking hated it lmao thanks, just a half hour of cringing for me. Couldn't shake the feeling that it's trying to be so edgy.>>1913278
I remember loving this show>>1916032
Same it bores me to hell>>1916096
KEK "support this project. it's all about me and my brain worms"
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I’ve been looking for the comic and I’ve been having a hard time. I remembered posting it a year ago to the webcomic thread in /m/. I went back and found out it’s gone with this response being the only thing left.
A source sent me a copy of the comic and I will post it later today. Charlie cannot erase his past.
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Not much of a loss tbh
It looks like Big City Greens mixed with Craig of the creek,no thanks.
I was about to say this. Isn't this supposed to be set on Al-Andalus? None of the characters look North African, Spanish nor Jewish kek, what is this?>>1909052
I hate the quirky personality they give female protags all the time. Also the "uuu my father is evil because he's a responsible functional adult" always pisses me off.(learn to sage)
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Don’t forget Growing around by mr enter. LS mark is making an animated short but we’ll see where it goes (looks like shit too kek)
To be fair to pan, genndy didn’t laugh at his idea or was even rude. He just was trying to figure out the general point of what the show would be. It didn’t help he used a word document and screenshared, he wasn’t prepared on what he would overall say. It felt like a friend sharing this oc lore with other friends and a cold pitch for a project to respected artists and one of the board heads at the time.
He overall they gave critiques that wasn’t even harsh just helpful and the one of them did think the overall idea was cool. My gripe with pan project is that with all the connections he has to ask for general advice or even help he doesn’t use it.
Example why the hell would he use a word document to share this project pitch? Why didn’t he make a slideshow? Why didn’t he run it by some friends/people in the industry for addy run before the pitch.
>>1916302> He just was trying to figure out the general point of what the show would be
Then why pitch for a show? This question isn’t directed at you op, but it’s crazy to me, yet explains why some shows, especially indie cartoons’ pacing is so off sometime. The creators just take elements of things they like during that week and pitch it as their own original source >>1916254
So weird to me that some of these creators can only think of one concept to pitch, some don’t even try to adapt/rehash their original content…
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his pilot is just a SOL tom and jerry set in hs in the 2000s(an era he didnt live in), it sounds and looks horrible
you can check more on his art twitter https://twitter.com/MarkArt__
this looks like a fake cartoon inside a show. not all shows for adults have to look super gritty and serious, but this looks so childish.>>1916271
and this one looks like a stock image kek. no personality whatsoever.
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Here's Charlie P Gavin's comic he wants to suppress.
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i dont wanna start with east vs west again, but why are american industry artists so bad? the disparity between western animators and japanese artists will never not sadden me
Honestly, no idea. I assume it may be because western culture, primarily adults, isn’t as crazy about animation/still views it as a picture show for kids than an art form that it could be.
What’s strange though, is that back in 2010, (deviantart days, new grounds, ect) you would still actually see so many indie artists draw and BE experimental. For me that was so inspirational, but now I have to go digging for artists like that because art has been popularized by the younger gen who look for specific styles
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Most westerners live for themselves, whereas living for your work is more common in east Asia. There's a difference in values.
I sometimes think about that. I think it might be that in Japan there is such a huge volume of animated productions that there's always going to be at least a few productions that value higher quality and value higher art skills, so the competition might be more "great artist works in big prestige anime vs mediocre artist works in crappy anime", whereas in the West there are very few cartoons being made at any given time yet money-brained studio's have close to zero respect for the craft so the competition might be more "guy that can scribble more shit faster gets a job vs everybody else is jobless".
Then there's also the bit that most western animation is actually animated in korea, so westerners are mostly actually only storyboarding.
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i already hate everything surrounding this. it will only appeal to people who either want to fuck the clown or fuck the rabbit, both equally insufferable internet beings.
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Censored and spoilered because horrifying, but nonna wasn't wrong.
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It’s creator is a tranny so im not surprised
This, but I also think American individuality comes into it. Kids and teens getting into the industry aren't idealizing the people with the most skills, but the ones with the most ~unique~ style that makes them stand out as an individual. They don't want to actually recieve criticism on their fundamentals because i-it's art, it's personal expression, it's supposed to be an extension of meeeee! It's a tale as old as time but it still stands true imo. It's part of why Vivzie is so beloved with younger artists.
Also from my own perspective from a somewhat successful artist that draws in a style that is very currently trendy and blends in with Japanese styles, there is a weird sense of jealousy from other artists in American spaces. It's just my interpretation of how they interact with me, but there is a sense of "I like your art but I-I don't want to draw anime because it's so overrated!! I'm going to focus on muh unique style because it has more character/soul/whatever!" and then they get upset that their works only get 5 likes because it's not what people want to see. Not to say that people have to like whats trendy, or that chasing uniqueness is bad, but I actively admire Japanese artists and their work ethic and put in hundreds of hours of studying, whereas I often don't see that type of raw studying in peers who rely on uniqueness as their crutch. There is a lack of self-criticism, and the most growth as an artist happens when you can look at your own art and criticize it and choose to improve it, which many young Americans don't want to do, lest they admit their current abilities are shit and that being talented in middle school doesn't mean you will be talented as an adult.
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The real horror show is this bone structure. Unsalvageable.
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Why is it that media created 100 or 50 years ago still manages to be entertaining? I mean, seriously, I can read novels from the early 20th century written by literal aristocrats, and they are way more captivating than the garbage being produced today
the worst type of coomer is the kind getting off to women's discomfort of men's actions. The ones who write their characters to hate everything that's done to them and the men getting off to them are a particular kind of fucked up. They don't want a happy partner and mock women's agency believing we're meant to be unwilling
coom bait. These men get off to children worrying over being pedo targets and to women anxious a man will rape them turning every part of our misery into porn for them. no wonder men don't care about women and children, our plight is just free coom
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The fact that 4chan picked up on this reference
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>>1916493>this looks like a fake cartoon inside a show. not all shows for adults have to look super gritty and serious, but this looks so childish.
seriously, all those characters look like parodies of existing characters. the kid looks exactly like the okko kid, i swear i have seen similar dog character somewhere, that detective dude looks like he's some simpsons knock off, they all look like they're copied from somewhere
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Yeah that's a stretch from anon.
One thing about Gooseworx recently was him being friends with someone who was posting ryona art in a private VK.com group, picrel. Though it's likely a coincidence and he wasn't involved, as Era's public accounts were all SFW. (The last part about Yana didn't have any proof)https://twitter.com/Throwaway143590/status/1714004666957152286
I doubt that Goose will ever get legitimate heat for his vore/fat/transformation/etc. fetishes since that Pyrocynical nonce set a precedent for those being acceptable Eceleb-wise, but ryona would be controversial, so I'd appreciate hard proof of him being into it besides the drilling shit.
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>>1916929>I'd appreciate hard proof of him being into it besides the drilling shit.
He's a troomer. I would be surprised if he wasn't into ryona tbh. But I do I agree with you the OP should provide hard proof if they put up the doc again.>I doubt that Goose will ever get legitimate heat for his vore/fat/transformation/etc. fetishes since that Pyrocynical nonce set a precedent for those being acceptable Eceleb-wise
Pyro's audience is zoomer boys. The audience for Amazing Digital Circus is kweer Tumblr and TikTok kids. The latter is more likely to find degen fetishes offensive. JelloApocalypse still gets dragged to this day for being into scat kek.
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>>1917234>You can't just post this and not give us any source lmaooo
AYRT, it's old milk and his fetish art makes me want to throw up lol. IIRC he drew scat art of his underage waifus too.
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Thank god there’s a lot of hate despite the slobbering hivemind
Bill's rage reminds me of season 1 Brock Samson rage.
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Interestingly enough its been trending on Tumblr for a least a week, everyone's eating this shit up like crazy.btw the trooner told his already retarded fandom full of autists to behave or else he'll make the show bad on purpose
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Sorry for the unnecessary sperging
More like a shitty, bland,rip off.a straight up cheap copy of Molly & Raggedy Ann.the troon didn't even bother making her design not feel plagiarized at all.
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I could see “referential” in regards to Raggedy Anne, Molly’s design is probably an homage to her too, but the TADC rag doll design is just so damn similar. I thought it was supposed to be the same character when I first saw fanart of her a few days ago
If western includes things like non-American animators I have no idea what you’re talking about they’re equal to the best Japanese animator. Even if you include America and Canada there’s plenty of great animators.
What you’re trying to say is why isn’t there a huge abundance of amazing or even great animators in America (cause there’s plenty of france and so forth), the answer has been the same for 20+ years now. Nobody is paying for it here. If you spend the time to actually look up the animators portfolios or work profiles you’ll find a lot come from other countries. Outside of basic beginner “animated the ball” classes there isn’t advance 2D animation workshops available to the public. It’s behind either an artschool paywall or a private workshop you can only get through connections. The really advance teachers aren’t just accepting anyone as mentors. You have to go abroad to even get taught how to animate 2D if you aren’t willing to teach yourself.
Fast forward to japan or even france, whole schools dedicated to teaching how to animate 2D. And if you’re wondering why I keep bringing up france, it’s once of the countries if you want to work as an animator in japan they’ll accept you if you go to an artschool there.
Nobody is teaching advance level to the point of Rodger rabbit levels or realism(weight of the character movements,advance expression) or if you didn’t luck out by connections to have a mentor and not autistic enough to self train why bother unless you’re gonna go the artschool route. And even if you do, nobody is hiring to animate in America for traditional 2D. You won’t find work here.
The industry has always squandered its chances with 2D animation for adults, I keep thinking about how horrible Cool World is and how much 2D animation for adults could have been vindicated, dark, and good, plus it had a young Brad Pitt and theatrical release push. Instead this movie is an absolute coombrained mess, men can't keep it in their pants to make art and instead made a pile of literal animated sludge. Try and watch this ending, how would anyone EVER trust a 'industry vet' again when this is the result? Rotoscoped boobies jiggling around while thousands of random things bonk and crash around the screen. Now we lament indie animators that are all degenerates like Panpizza, Gooseworx, Zone, even Vizie who can't get out of her own way- but at least they only damage small parts of the internet and no one will give them multimillion dollar projects (no, an Amazon prime TV series doesn't count as a big influencial project
- streaming content has basically no cultural impact and get buried after a week. Like Clone High season 2, Wendell and Wild, even Smiling Friends).
>>1917688>>1917695>Instead this movie is an absolute coombrained mess, men can't keep it in their pants to make art and instead made a pile of literal animated sludge.
As bad as it is, it's actually less of a coombrained mess than Bakashi wanted it to be. The studio actually toned it down from his original story.
"in 1990, Ralph Bakshi concepted a new film project, conceived as a live-action animated horror film, involving a cartoonist who created a comic book while in prison that makes him an underground "star". The cartoonist would go on to have sexual intercourse with a femme fatale "doodle" named "Debbie Dallas [name changed to Holli Would later] (a play on the title of the pornographic film, Debbie Does Dallas)" and father a hybrid child with her; half-cartoon, and half-human. The child, growing up resenting its father for abandoning it, would grow up and go on to make a pilgrimage to the real world to try to hunt down its father and kill him. "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_World
“The studio didn’t want him, they didn’t know who he was,” says Bakshi. “They said if I wanted Brad Pitt then I would have to take Kim Basinger, who’s a beautiful woman but a little old for the role. What I saw was a girl, somewhere around 20, who dances very well."
He had wanted Drew Barrymore for Debbie/Holli, who was 17 at the time and he had wanted Brad Pitt to play Jack. Brad Pitt was 29. Basinger was 39. The studio insisted Brad play Frank because they wanted someone famous for Jack.https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/cool-world-brad-pitt-ralph-bakshi-interview-2022-b2116453.html
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there's precious few "pure" cartoons that aren't created solely for retarded moids to draw their fetishes into. and they never get the recognition they deserve aside from people being like "man that cartoon was fucking cool".
It's scary to remember that manga/anime, as it is now, is
restrained, considering the vast majority of ot still has lolis, panty shots of teenage characters, emphasis on giant boobs, and incestuous "romances".
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This isn't even an exaggeration btw, Kazuhiko Torishima the editor of Akira Toriyama, was essentially the sole reason why every other chapter didn't include scenes with Bulma in her panties or shots of Goku being naked, he also pushed it to be an action series with plot and pacing and pretty much the entirety of early Naruto was cause of editor meddling.
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I don’t really know why, I just know that Twisted Wonderland even has a collab with stitch that was made for the summer event.
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Stitch is huge in Asia. China and Japan even have their own versions of the Lilo & Stitch animated series.>>1917819
The recent boom in merch is probably for the live-action reboot. Production for it keeps getting delayed though so who knows if it will ever come out.
There are sm youtube videos
"How to find your style"
So many people want a quirky style rather than learning how to draw.
You see this in younger generations who are like
"My style is star eyes and short legs. DO NOT STEAL"
Caved and finally attempted to watch this. The voice acting was so awful that just decided to mute it and turn on subtitles about a third of the way through. The male actors are all obnoxious Octopimp-esque amateur character voices and the female ones are just bad community theater, like the scrotes in charge hired the only women who answered their emails. This project is dying for a better lead actress.
The premise is alright and I like some of the character designs, but none
of the jokes were funny. You can tell they're were trying to replicate the tone and Tim Burton-esque qualities of Invader Zim, but they just didn't have the chops to pull it off. The animation is just… ugly. I don't want to harp on that point too much, because it's just a pilot, but it seriously looks like those terrifying cgi Scary Godmother holiday specials, but with an added layer of fetishistic subtext. I'll save any other judgements for if the pilot actually gets picked up, though, since a lot can change when a show formally enters production.
I think the shitty animation is suppose to replicate the bad 3D animation from the early 2000's. Or at least I hope that's what they were aiming for.
It's weird to me though. It feels like a cocomelon short for adults just because it has some "swears".
I will say, I still like the show. It's not great, but I'm sad coomers are gunna ruin the fandom
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It's fairly well known, kishimoto’s original idea was a story-of-the-week with Naruto and Jiraiya (or a figure like him) wandering around helping solve peoples' problems, it was actually more similar to Baruto in a way.
picrel are basically the confirmed changes that Kishimot admitted that he was forced to add in.
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Guys is it just me or do most animation youtubers guys tend to date the most annoying pick me women known to man. They almost always draw like garbage too. It's almost uncanny. I'm thinking Neoncaffeine, secret narcissist, Veronica And jelly, Lex dog. They draw themselves as coomer bait a few times, make horny twitter meme comics and then they get a financially well off animator to date them. Neoncaffeine and Secret Narcissist annoy me the most tbh
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you forgot veronica
I'm having telepurte flashbacks
Too bad he's coming back next year to animation and the states. Poorly tracing edited E-girls and pick me's who send him nudes
He's scummy behind the scenes like all men in animation but he's also so private so it's hard to call him out. He was actually legit pissed when youtube banned him the first time for posting porn. Rubber Ross, Sabor Sparks and other big names are up his ass for "Being a mans man!"
Also his obsession with is OC is weird as fuck. First he claimed that's how he sees himself (tranny) to "She's my ideal woman".
He traces the bodies of girls he gets nudes from and slaps his OC's face on them. Why she never has a consistant body
>>1918329> It's damaging women in the end to be tied to men in the industry, everyone picks up that Dana Terrace only got her own show because she was the gf of Alex Hirsch and so on. Maybe it's the only way up for women in animation to be pick-mes until they secure their own bag.
Daron Nefcy got Star Vs. to be picked up after she polished the pitch and at the time she was with her now husband who was a filmmaker and not in the animation field.
Leuren Faust was with McCracken for 2 decades and many of her original projects got cancelled before showing what she can do.
Women who got leadership roles exist but there are a few even the best talents had hard times to achieve that role.
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Lol I’m saging because he’s so irrelevant and gone now at this point, but I remember when AnimatedJames was still around even his gf at the time ToxicSoul77 gave off major coomer girl pick-me vibes. And ironically enough she is still online and posting the same tasteless art
The fartporn guy>>1918423>>1918426
who are you talking about
I was in the Hyun's dojo too! He doesn't show up since a few people called him out on being disgusting on sfw servers with children around and for verbally abusing THREE of his ex's on voice. Sadly in other servers he's in he still brings his "bitch of the month" and publically breaks up with them on voice servers.
I mean don't go back to Hyun's dojo. The server is still full of pedos and pervs. Hyun and staff still defend perverts and sweep shit under the rug. But Tele has and will always be a huge problem in animation circles.
Last time he was in chat a couple weeks ago he was saying how dumb his fans are for giving him money when he retired years ago and how at this point he just wants to BUY a GIRL. That's how he sees women. Something he can buy. I mean, yeah pick me's are women you can buy, still gross he thinks that way though.
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she's actually trying to open a gallery with her mediocre art abilities kek. Pic rel is something she thinks it's worthy of being hang in a gallery… This is what drawing nothing but mediocre coom does to your skills.
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wife of cartoon youtuber LS MARK and big cheater/pickme/liar. From her Patreon>And the second project is the wench paintings! I love drawing sexy women, but I feel that my creative energy is being exploited by being so damn thirsty! So I’m taking a change of course and going back to my roots on slice of life comics! I hope you enjoy my slow transition! I should mention, I’ll still have sexy bitches on here, but that won’t always be the main attraction!
her art is awful, i think she's working alongside mark in his god-awful pilot
Don't feel bad for Mark, he's as much as an autist as Veronica is with shittier art.
His obsession with Butch Hartman and overall faggotry has landed him a blacklisted position from the animation industry, the moid thinks that bringing popsicles down to the strikes will get him a job.
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I don't understand this reaction. These are nerdy men who feel entitled to have attractive women fawning over them (as if there aren't plenty of genuinely passionate women who appreciate cartoons and animation without looking like Instagram models). So, when a remotely appealing e-girl shows even the slightest interest, they promptly abandon all else and devote themselves to the pursuit."
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Had to Google her to check and picrel is one of her latest pics, so.. I guess you're right! Having seen glimpses of his face she, being a notorious cheater and drunkard, looks wise is still way above his level.
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There's a KF thread on her. The person who made it made some timeline of events here. I don't know if they updated it though. Here's the linkhttps://files.catbox.moe/d8g4at.png
I noticed she's been making self insert furry porn of herself and some oc from a webcomic too now.
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The songs in this movie are literally written by pop songwriters. Julia Michaels who writes for Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber, Sabrina Carpenter; Benjamin Rice who’s written for the Jonas Brothers; and JP Saxe who’s really only known for dating Julia Michaels. None of these people have backgrounds in musical theatre or film. Where have the Alan Menken and Howard Ashman’s of the world gone? These aren’t even particularly good pop songwriters, if they had to go there.
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Yeah he has the same vibes as the guys from Shrek 2 who get their clothes stolen.
Everything is just so dull and ugly in this movie. The characters look and sound forgettable and derivative. It's just like those clichè bootleg princess movies, all the classic elements (princess, talking animal, stars and fairytale setting, evil king/queen) but absolutely zero charm. And this is supposed to be disney's 100 year film, fucking Sleeping Beauty felt more unique and interesting than this.
They also look like dreamworks characters with the cocky smile and eyebrows they have. If they really wanted this to be seen as a great one of a kind movie they should have gone back to 2D for once and let go of all the "pop quirky" shit they love to put in now.
i saw a video awhile back noting how movies with voice actors nowadays have a selling point of "omg! a celebrity you know is voicing a character!" rather than relying on the talents of actual
voice actors who know how to create a whole character solely with their voices.
>>1919461>There’s something about it that gives off a weird smug vibe that I’ve never gotten from the marketing of any other Disney film
I get that from most modern pop cartoons/animation, but I think this movie, even the creators have nothing going for it except that they need to push the movie out for Disney’s 100, and that includes the talent going behind it. Everyone wants their paycheck, and they know that you’ll watch it, because Disney >>1919606
That’s been going on since the beginning of Hollywood, it only seems more prominent now because all the companies want to spend their money sparingly by hiring people that they know can do a ok job and already have an audience behind them
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Concept art book was posted on /co/. I'll post the concepts I found the most interesting for this cursed film.
Here is a young Magnifico. We were robbed. Asha was robbed.
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King Magnifico and Queen Amaya evil power couple
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Star (the luma ripoff) was going to have shapeshifting abilities, one form being a cute young man. Disney really hates having any potential romantic interests these days, even if Star and Asha were only meant to be friends. Can't have kids assume they'd fall in love!
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My complaint is that in adding an attractive character of the opposite sex, that would make people want to "ship it" therefore Disney simply can't have that. We've had nothing but the most hideous males in the past recent years thanks to this. Look at Asha's fugly male friends. Ugly blonde, Shrek, and Tumblr-nosed Linguini. Disgusting.
There is nothing wrong with platonic relationships at all. Everyone is capable of being just friends, however, it becomes a problem when they go overboard and make it meta in the actual movie itself. Did you forget that Frozen drove that detail every single moment it could? At this point the new Disney mantra is to subvert audience expectations and shit on the old movies for being "problematic
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I'm doubleposting, but look at this Asha concept. She looks beautiful, especially in the far right concept art. A unique look we haven't seen in Disney but instead they just made Elsa with a wider nose.
Off topic a little but this is a reason why I'm so confused about why genderspecial/sexuality shit is even part of kids' shows these days at all. Why do kids need to a cartoon characters' sexual preference? I don't know about anyone else, but I remember that I really disliked romance plots and "kissy scenes" (kek) when I was a kid, I just wanted to get back to the adventure and jokes.>>1919752
I know! I've seen such beautiful concept art for so many Disney movies and I would absolutely love to keep some of these styles for the animation. But nope, gotta have everything look like Frozen now, I guess
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I don't know shit about music theory but this feels like a complete compositional failure. It's not villainous, barely even sinister, boring lyrics. It sounds like something you'd hear in a McDonald's commercial in 2009 back when they gave out Kidz Bop CDs with their Happy Meals.>>1919752
Buy "Making of/the Art Behind" type books and you'll see that a lot. Sometimes it's budgetary (I suspect picrel), sometimes it's corporate dumbasses interfering, and sometimes the director/art director/someone is really stupid. Concept art is really cool to look at when the finished product is great and really sad when it's not.
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Her art was never super standout but I did think it was very cute, crazy to see how badly she’s devolved.
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So…what do nonnies think of Monkey Wrench?
I take that back about encanto. Those songs are more theatre-y than wish and their pop sound reflects the current times fairly.
The cultural influences are fairlu accurate aswell.
Tell me you don't know what concept art is without telling me you don't.
How concept art looks is really fucking important because that's what the final character and set designers and modellers and animators are going to look at for reference, if the art is shit and bland that's how the final product is most likely going to turn out as at best.
Go look at American McGee's Alice design Bible's (online and free) to get a good grasp of how concept should
look at the bare minimum.
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If I'm a ceo of an animation company, which I'm not.
And you're pitching me your idea for a cartoon and all u got is concept art and story outline that looks like this.
I don't care how rough and brainstormy it is, it's going in the trash
I tried to like the show when the 2D music video came out. If it was an anime it would have been 10x better. But the excuse was the spots were too hard to animate, which is bullshit.
That and the creator is just a coom brained pervert so of course the writing sucks.
I'm just mad that the two are finally together, but no one gives a shit because it took ten years for this shit to happen
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this is the level of art skill you need to be a professional disney worker nowadays? i own several old-school 2D disney artbooks, and some modern ones from other studios(spiderverse, puss in boots, the bad guys) and they are miles above these guys skill-wise. This looks like something i would see in the instagram of some teen girl who refuses to get out other comfort zone.
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Your definitely omitting Squizzy/Hyojin from this, granted Pyro isn't really an animation youtuber but I do feel she hits tons of those points
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It always made me laugh when she draws herself like that. She looks like some short chubby weeb who probably can’t even make a phone call without breaking down.
You're stretching it a bit too far nonnie
, its just cause kids like watching dumb stuff and skibidi toilet is a example of that. Also i dont think video game npcs would scare any fully functioning adult lol.
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His fetish is plastered on brand sponsorships (Gamersupps, which is basically Youtuber JSchlatt's personal free handouts company) and people are giving him free fetish art even though there is visible proof he was ERPing with a teenager
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Kek I love it when fat weebs try and draw themselves as uwu pervy waifus
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Saged for (ambiguously) sour milk but somebody hijacked the wiki page of Digital Circus and doxxed the tranny that created it by replacing every page's content with his full personal info.
It was a few hours ago and wikia mods already fixed it but I copypasted all the info as a reflex (gatherer instinct ig). Picrel is my only evidence since for some reason the Google search results for the wiki didn't update yet and I didn't screencap the hacked pages when I saw them, sorry for being a tardlet.
I posted the transcript on here just earlier because I forgot doxxing is against the rules, whoopsie… hope this is milky enough anyway.
i should add that the doxxing was always followed by "how to troll: deadname him, etc" which makes me think either Kiwifags or EDfags are responsible. Hopefully being doxxed will scare that TiM away from grooming any kids.
NTA but read the old threads, it's there.>>1920334
I doubt that'll do anything to scare him or his fans away. If anything it'll make them rally around him even more.
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One thing I miss so much about Disney song is clever wordplay and musical theater rhymes full of idioms and puns that make double or triple meanings to songs.
The Wish King's villain song could have had the phrase "Come in, sit for a spell" and other ye ole idioms/phrases. I love looking back at Lion King and Aladdin for having great song lyrics. In 'I Just can't wait to be King' Zazu sings "this child is getting wildly out of wing" while flying and there are so many layers to the phrase that work. Like wildly- Simba is wild/not trained to be King, but he's also a wild animal. "Out of wing" is a phrase basically no one in the modern world says but works so well here for a pompous royal bird like Zazu to say. It means "getting out of control"- Zazu is flying with his wings, while he is unable to control Simba. Simba is out of wing/beyond Zazu's control but also faster than Zazu who is flapping his wings to try and get to Simba before he runs away.
Ok I'm a close-reading sperg but lines like these tickle my brain and there might not be many more examples from Disney now.
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TADC just hit 40 millions views earlier today and now it’s got another million. Children and coomers have some insane fucking influence, it’s got almost more than twice the views of the Murder Drones pilot which was uploaded in 2021, getting close to the 2nd most viewed Eddsworld video which has 61 million views and was uploaded in 2016, picrel is what Tiktok says the views on just these hashtags are.
some of my online acquaintances have started to comment on it and it feels so forced, as if they were programmed to like it. like ooga booga new popular quirky thing released, must consoom.
also they're the same kind of people to shit on hh/hb and feel superior for hating it when the same people are behind both projects kek.
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Couldn't get past the 1st minute mark because of Mammon's horrendous fucking accent.
This episode sucks so bad. First of all we're still focusing on Fizz while the entirety of the rest of the cast is ignored (how long has it been since we've seen Moxxie and Millie? Loona?) I literally couldn't care less about the melodrama with Fizz but it's the main focus of this episode, again. As an anon above mentioned, the first joke out of the Mammon's mouth (another random fucking character introduced for no reason) is blatantly sexist and unfunny and absolutely reveals the sexism in this show. Speaking of sexism, I don't know why Vivzie didn't just make Fizz a woman because she absolutely doesn't know how to write male characters and it really shows with him in this episode. His dialogue is absolute wattpad-tier insecure fanfic y/n girl, especially around Ozzy which made me audibly groan multiple times while watching this episode. Also, the implications of abuse on Mammon's part, especially the hint at eating disorders, is just so distasteful and poorly handled, it just feels thrown in like "uwu feel bad for fizzy hes such an uwu sad boy with a tragic backstory" which mimicks real life issues that exclusively FEMALE stars face but of course Vivzie won't talk about stuff that effects women because she has to write her retarded fujo fanfic.
Then there's the clown pageant. This shit is so stupid. Why hold a pageant if Fizz just wins every time? Wouldn't there be clear bias if Fizz was the biggest brand for Mammon but still competed in the pageant? Why do they not address Ozzy showing up in public with Fizz at the beginning of the episode but Fizz says that he shouldn't be there later? It's a poorly written excuse to have more songs and, to be fair, the songs in this episode are pretty good (except for Ozzy and Fizz's love song for obvious reasons). However I couldn't help but feel disgusted at how the female rivals were handled. As usual the female vivziepop characters get about 2 minutes of screentime and are always portrayed as mean and bitchy because Vivzie isn't like the other girls and sees all women like emo tumblr middle schoolers see them. But god this episode is so frustrating and shows Vivzie's amateurish writing to a tee. Sorry for the long rant but hatewatching this show has become a concerning pastime of mine.
Honestly, Fizz's character is so over the place. He seemed pretty cool when he was introduced in the first season, but now he's just another sadboi uwu cinnamon roll to throw on her sad gaiboi pile. I kept being confused on why he couldn't leave Mammon, like okay he is supposed to be indebted to him but we haven't been shown enough about Fizz as an entertainer and his relationship to Mammon to truly understand his anguish. Mammon himself was an awful character in voice, personality and design, just redo all of him.
And let's not even start on the crazed fanboy… Also I agree with you on the songs, they're still not quite as "good" (serviceable) as in the first season but definitely better than what we've been presented with thus far in season 2.
Yeah I was thinking about that too. Fizz is probably the most inconsistent character in this show by far, I kept thinking throughout the whole episode, where the hell did this melodrama come from? why is he so insecure when he was portrayed as an arrogant unapologetic asshat not even 2 episodes ago? It just shows that they can't come up with a character besides "uwu sad boi" "big evil mean guy" and "bitchy woman" And as >>1921290
said, it seems the shift has gone entirely to these two just like how it was on Stolas and Blitzo for a while, Vivzie's fujoism is a black hole of writing that consumes any interesting character concepts and turns them into shallow, one dimensional cardboard cutouts.
And yeah, the fanboy shit was stupid as hell and was part of what made me ask "why not just make fizz a woman" since there is no such thing as fanboys like that for male celebrities as Fizz is supposed to be, it just makes 0 sense.
Would it kill Viv to have even just a single female character who's positively defined by anything
but her relationship to a male character. Wouldn't it have at least been slightly more interesting if the twins actually won at the end and just ended up in the same place Fizz was, perpetuating the neverending cycle of consumerism? Or better yet actually follow the premise of the show and actually have an episode where they have to do a hit? Every episode of this show feels like a shoddy fanfic of the last and it's gone do far that if you stripped the faces and names off it would be completely unrecognizable.
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>>1921276>Shoved in writer's credit after shitty sexist joke
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Blitzo's voice sounds AI generated here
I just realized that this is another abusive
, homophobic dad dynamic. Can she have any other sort of backstory for her characters?
Just finished watching and I agree with you all, this was a bunch of bullshit. I will admit that I thought it was cute when Fizz did sign language for the deaf imp kid but aside from that, I am tired of Fizz and Ozzy. I want to like them because I like romance but their relationship is being shoved into our eyes with no breathing room. We GET IT, they love each other, can you just fuck off and focus on someone else for awhile? This episode could've wait a few episodes in between. I'm also annoyed that we haven't seen any attention on the female characters at all. Still waiting on that episode where Millie will get to be her own person and not be tied to Moxxie who will undoubtedly steal the focus from her. And we haven't seen Loona in awhile neither, hell not even Octavia. Am I the only one who wouldn't mind if Octavia and Loona had another episode together and got to become friends? I wish Viv would get her head out of the fujo gutter and give some attention to the girls for at least an episode or two. >>1921319>gotta love how whenever a female character(s) is introduced they're 99% of the time catty/oversexualized
FFR. I liked the twins designs but of course they have to be as stereotypically obnoxious as possible. The only normal-ish female character we have is Octavia and we hardly ever get to see her.
You know the thing that bothers me about HelluvaBoss is when you see how the fanbase just eats this shit up and don't see the sexism to bordering misogyny. I tried talking about this with my friend who thinks I'm taking the show too seriously when I said that it sucked how the female characters don't get much characterization. She argued about Millie with the summer camp episode and I explained how it didn't really count since it focused on Moxxie's jealousy and she just didn't get it. The only people I see who take the show to task are you folks here.
said. This would've been PERFECT for Verosika They totally could've done something else for Fizz, we don't even get any inclination that his whole clown shtick had to do with exploitative big business. At least like anon said, Verosika is a popstar and it could've been a good way to characterize her and show that her life isn't as glamorous as she boasts about.
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My god this was awful. I struggled to finish this but I really wanted how much worse it could get. It's somewhat decent (still full of holes, but not as embarassing) in the first half but then it turns to absolute shit.
Making Fizz a troubled performer who gets abused by his boss isn't a terrible idea (although I also thought that this would have been way more fitting for a female character because this shit happens to women, not gay men) but we need to be shown Fizz's performances and ordinary life to get how he suffers. You can't just tell me "he performs, he has a mean boss, he can't leave" when we've only seen him on a musical number with Ozzie and a couple of frames where he's dressed like a clown in a flashback. Viv can't develop her characters right, she just introduces a vague concept and then skips to the characters being involved in some dramatic gay love fanfiction where you're told there's supposedly a lot of history and suffering between them but you're not shown anything.
Speaking of fanfiction the bits of Fizz and Ozzie going "Waahh you only love me because I'm famous" and "I do love him" while confronting Mammon are beyond bad and embarassing. Again Viv does not know how to be subtle and thinks her wattpad tier lines are so deep and complex.
Also I'm begging the artists of this show to actually study composition so they can tell how to draw a good shot. Picrel is a good example of what NOT to do. Look at this shit, there's so much going on and you can barely make out the main characters. Why does the background have the same level of detail? Why is everything so bright and colorful? Learn how to build a good scene ffs.>>1921481
What? Viv focusing on female characters? How else is she going to show everybody how much of a good pickme/faghag she is if she doesn't call them sluts and whores every two minutes?
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This screenshot reminded me of something that bothered me in the episode, albeit a minor nitpick - Asmodeus can't fit in the room, but then like 2 minutes later the scale is completely different (picrel). and I agree the visuals are really too much in the episode, it's a consistent problem with this show but it was really noticeable this time, especially in the scene where the two girl rivals perform
Seriously, does Vivziepop even have a plan for this series? Or does she just decide what to do as she goes? The writing is too messy, like she doesn't have all the episodes already planned out, something you should always do when making a show or just writing a story in general. First it was about Blitzo and his company killing people, then it shifted to Stolas, Stella and Blitzo fanfiction, then now it's about Fizz and Ozzie. How many episode does season two even have? how is she going to tie everything up (the humans seeing demons, Moxxie's dad, Striker assassinating Stolas, Stella and Andrealphus, Octavia and Loona, now Fizz and Ozzie and Mammon threathening them) if she keeps introducing things and plots randomly and even retconning them? Even the characters are being rewritten to fit her sad gay boy fanfictiony settings. Ozzie especially seems like an entirely different character (big menacing lord first, now he's a kind sassy "top" to sad boy Fizz), Fizz also started off being genuinely aggressive towards Blitzo and now their rivalry is some sort of comic relief. She cannot fucking write.
My friend and I both hatewatch this show together, and she just brought up a very interesting question:
If pretty much all the mains are uwu gaybois that think about others, why aren't they angels? As their personalities are now they don't really fit in as citizens of hell.
How I would fix this mess of an episode:>As other has said, change the focus to Verosica.>Turn the clown pageant into an annual battle of the bands, with Verosica's backstory being that's how she got big. Mammon is still holding the competition, but rather as an investor in the winning pop star instead of a manager. Have the actual manager sexualize and body shame V instead.>Also make it a Loona episode, have Verosica's hellhound get sick and call Loona in for a favor.>Loona agrees, not only because she still has a crush on Rex but also because she gets to work for a celebrity.>Loona asks Verosica about her past relationship with Blitzo, we get some flashbacks to their time dating.>Verosica has a breakdown similar to Fizz, Loona gives her a peptalk and Verosica gives Loona one as well for her insecurities, which helps Loona on the right track to get over her crush.>Have the Fuck You I Quit song sung by Verosica, she still wins the battle of the bands and when offered the option to hand over the win to the twins she laughs and takes off with the trophy, highfiving Loona in the process. >Octavia who has been watching everything on tv sends Loona an excited text when she sees her on screen, showing that they've been in touch.>Perhaps a plot B where the others are out on a hit job and have been trying to get in touch with Loona all night, who was supposed to be on standby when she got called in to help V.
I've gotten a similar feeling that she doesn't plan out her show. I posted above about some inconsistencies with previous episodes and even within the same episode. Pretty sure they completely dropped the plot about humans seeing demons I mean they walk around clearly visible in the human world several times in season 2 or just really bad disguises. It's so frustratingly inconsistent. Also it feels like Stolas has been written out entirely like what happened to him being assassinated like you said?>>1921756
The whole concept behind this episode is fundamentally broken. It's yet another episode that's completely derailing from the plot and while I like your ideas of focusing on the female characters more, it's not addressing the main problem which is the lack of story/plot progression. They set up a bunch of important long-running arcs and questions in season 1 only to ditch them and focus on character stuff that's not even related to the original premise of the show. It feels like every episode is the out-of-place beach episode in the middle of the climax of an anime, except with whatever flavor of the week Vivzie wants to do now (gay clown circus competition, hostage episode #23, etc.) At least the hostage episodes somewhat progress the plot, this was just an irrelevant, embarassing mess of writing.
ayrt, I know the show has other problems. This is more of a "if this setting and episode is absolutely necessary, then this would probably have been much better". If this episode has to exist, use it to flesh out other characters instead of another awkwardly written fujo-episode.
Viv loves introducing all these villains but she does nothing with it. I'm still waiting for the cupids and the agents to make a comeback, they were the most interesting ones imo.
With how all over the place the writing is, it makes me wonder if Viv is collaborating with other writers effectively. I get that it's her IP but working with side writers can prove helpful as they might be able to see things that the main creator may not see and offer some constructive criticism to help make the narrative flow better. And FFS, can she at least hire on an actual gay male writer who can help with the gay relationship writing because it's just terrible, it's too much… >>1921668>The "Klown Bitch" song was funny at first but I found the music overall to be shallow and forgettable
I'm just getting tired of the same old EDM Pop music. The Millie/Moxie camp episode's music with the rock pop song was a nice change of pace and it's just annoying how she doesn't seem to have much range going for the Kesha-tier pop music. I get she's her favorite singer but geez lol.>>1921744>She cannot fucking write.
Which is all the more reason why she desperately needs to collaborate more with her co-writers. But as long as she has a ton of sycophant fans who praise her shit writing because uwu sadgaybois, I don't think she'll ever improve. I wonder if she even watches these episodes once they're put out.>>1921747>why aren't they angels? As their personalities are now they don't really fit in as citizens of hell.
Yeah like Fizz being kind to the deaf demon. If he truly were supposed to be a despicable person who deserves to be in hell, he would've ignored or pushed that child away. Don't get me wrong, it was a cute wholesome moment but I'm just saying, he doesn't come off as evil demon. Cursing like a sailor =/= evil lol.>>1921756
Awesome re-write anon, I could picture that all and it would've made for a MUCH BETTER episode than whatever the hell we got. I especially like how you got Loona involved, it helps that she even likes her music so that would've been another enticement for her to get to work with Verosika. And I don't think Verosika would see the harm in explaining her past with Blitzo to her. But eh, this layout feels too "girl power" for fujo-obsessed Viv and she more than likely would never put so much focus on the female characters sadly…
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Why does it seem like viv is implying past feelings/jealousy between Blitzo and Fizz? Tone of the last episode with the reconciliation between them made it seem like they're past lovers and vidrel can be taken as Blitzo being jealous. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, he gets kinda grossed out at Moxxie and Millie sometimes and it could be the same reaction here, but also stalks them Moxxie and Millie so I don't know about him genuinely being grossed out by love. Might be farfetched but with the angst between them and the uwu sadboy shit from last episode, I wouldn't be surprised, given vivzie basically turning her show into melodramatic fanfiction, love triangles are par for the course.
why would michael cusack and zach hadel attach their names to this pile of crap
>>1921781>And FFS, can she at least hire on an actual gay male writer who can help with the gay relationship writing
Isn’t it cowritten with Brandon Rodgers? Maybe he is just responsible for all the cursing and dick jokes. >>1921804
I think it was only a matter of time since they are in the same friend group and are sort of the same niche of internet animators breaking into mainstream industry.
I hate every HB character, but Mammon has been the one I hate the least so far. Maybe it’s because I’m tired of all these supposed demons being sad gay softboys and it’s refreshing to see a truly evil and irredeemable one. He also reads “greed” better than the other demonlords do for their cardinal sins. It might also just be that I love Cusack’s aggressively Australian accent. So I’m okay with the big Aussie Christmas tree, for now. Watch Viv somehow turn him into another tragic uwu.
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Couldn't find the post, but there's a full flipthrough on youtube, it starts with a multi page foreword about the legacy of disney… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSbdHO_NsYE
In my opinion the "watercolor" backgrounds look embarassing, they looks like regular 3D backgrounds with a grain filter applied. By contrast in one of the behind the scenes videos for arcane, they talk about how they imitate the painted look, by painstakingly painting and repainting the textures and vfx for every scene. Meanwhile I don't think there's anyone on the wish team who could create the watercolors they where supposedly imitating.
Was just catching up on this thread and this was my exact thought that entire episode. I like her design, but her voice is so insufferable and cringe that I already hate her ass lmfao. Like holy shit only a coomer moid would want to hear that.
I want to keep watching to see what happens bc I like the specific niche of horror theme it has going on and the designs. But also when the nonnas further up thread pointed out the fetish shit I couldn't unsee it and now the whole thing feels really gross.
How fucking hard is it to like…turn down the saturation/brightness or whatever of the background so the characters actually stand out??
Also full disclosure I've hardly watched this show but oh my god are the characters always this..annoying?
>hey this obvious asshole is an asshole and you're miserable maybe you should sit this one out since you've won like 11 times in a row >"b-but i HAVE to win!!!! b-because…because i HAVE to!!!!"
Repeat 10 times.
I'm kind of sad that TADC and Pomni are made by a troon with sick fetishes.>>1917471
They can only draw shotas and traps/femboys just to coom to them.
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For a threa dedicated to animation cows, I'm surprised we don't bring up Thomas Astruc the creator of miraculous more. He regularly argues with his fans online, takes offense of any criticism and even made a literal self insert of himself in the show to be petty with his fans. Not to mention he also bashes one of his characters (a female one of course) and will belittle any fans who show interest in her
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He hates chloe(a character he made) so much he will bully his fans for shipping her with another character. The character in question is just female flash Thompson kek
For those that are not aware, his self insert is the father of the main girl and he based the mother of said girl after his ex girlfriend whom I believe had broken up with him before the cartoon show started.>>1922037
He also have stated before that the "mean blonde girl" would never have a redemption arc or any character development. Any development with was pushed by the studio or writers I think.
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>>1922064>his self insert is the father of the main girl
He has two. The one you mentioned, named Tom, and a literal self-insert. As in his name is literally Thomas Astruc in the show also and he’s a director. He throws a shit fit (becomes akumatized/villain of the episode) in the show because people don’t appreciate his work enough. That’s literally the plot of an entire episode.
I had a friend who was really into it back when it first came out/was blowing up on tumblr, and I'd say a lot of it was around the convoluted shipping shenanigans surrounding the two leads (their civilian and superhero identities were almost treated as separate characters when it came to who was crushing on who, with the female MC being into the male MC when he was just a guy but disliking his superhero alter-ego, with the male MC liking the girl as her superhero self and not noticing her regular self. Or something like that). It was a bit of a meme, I guess, and I think it's one of those shows where more people are fans of the fandom rather than fans of the actual show.
From what I remember the MCs looked appealing enough, and the animation was passable for the most part, but yeah the side characters were pretty janky. Shockingly it's difficult to make a cgi show with a larger cast and monster-of-the-week format and have it look good (especially when it comes to human characters)
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From an outsiders perspective at the time the fandom was like a mini Steven Universe with how they called out aspects for being problematic
but that never leaked out onto other sites besides Tumblr. People here just aren’t into it, I watched a couple episodes and didn’t understand why anyone over 10 would be into it. There was that really bizarre official comic where Marinette lands naked in a dumpster and has to wear a cardboard box, then meets some black people and racially profiles them that floated around some too.
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Sorry for rambling and cringe but I have mixed feelings for Jax. I kinda like him and find him strangely attractive
except for when he's mean to the girls. With the whole Gooseworx conspiracy here and seeing TADC girls being treated as torture/bully material for comedy and his secret fetish, it might be his intention of grooming girls into falling in love with asshole men like Jax; becoming masochists, romanticizing toxic
relationships and seeing this mysogyinst behavior as normal. Plus he's made as a Tumblr sexyman so it's baiting girls into liking him. I don't mind mischievous characters who prank and teases sometimes but when it comes to physically bullying girls who are fragile felt off-putting, unnecessary and mean-spirited like when Jax pushed Gangle. If Gangle where a guy I'll let that slide. Some people say it's his way of coping for being trapped in a digital world but that's just straight up being an asshole. I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually gay since his VA also voiced as a gay spider who I find very unlikable.(unsaged blogpost)
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>>1922374>I have mixed feelings for Jax. I kinda like him and find him strangely attractive
You're one of those weirdos who thirsted over the Warden from Superjail, aren't you
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anon just fucking stop. the show is made by an ugly TIM. all the characters are made by him. just fucking think about that for a second. i'm trying to help you. you should not be enjoying something made by a cumbrain tranny. there are so, so many better series with characters who are just like that rabbit and aren't made by THIS.
people will also argue like well kids wouldn't even recognize that it's fetish content!! But i absolutely think they can. I remember as a little kid when I'd watch those
Totally Spies episodes I would feel like…icky and disturbed.
NTA but I also felt icky when I watched those
PPG episodes, fuck
Why do males have to insert their pornsick tastes into everything