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This thread concerns creators, artists, voice actors and others who work or are connected to the modern Western American animation and comics industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
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Previous thread highlights:>Christian Potenza(VA for Chris McLean) fired from Total Drama for sexually abusing his VAing students >>1811391>Jhonen Vasquez insulted an autistic furry fan who proceeded to vent about it on all social media platforms >>1811473, >>1811750, >>1811777>Marie Lum finds excuse to not make her pilot >>1813547>A Furry with DID currently works for Nickelodeon >>1812098, >>1813856>Totally Spies reboot will be airing on Cartoon Network by next year >>1815786>Nonna discuss the shows fetish content >>1816099>Animal uncanny valley >>1816946, >>1817062>New Disney pilot by people who worked on Phineas and Ferb >>1817622>New Clone fails to live up to expectations >>1823209, >>1823542, >>1845317, >>1845833>Elemental bombs >>1831009, >>1831296, >>1837477>Pan Pizza's pilot and comic lack substance >>1839508, >>1840357>Pan's failed pitch to Genndy Tartakovsky >>1840980>Two Pixar producers fired due to box-office failure of the lightyear movie >>1842010>Lord Bung trooned out and deleted his channel >>1842812>The partially finished episode is borderline softcore porn >>1842915, >>1843061>Noelle featured in Elliot page's trans documentary >>1843429, >>1843452>New Pixar film >>1846852>Full trailer for Noelle's film Nimona and discussions around its trans message >>1847156, >>1851863>Oye Primos drama or Hispanic Americans don't realize their grinos as well >>1848021, >>1848230, >>1848406, >>1849265>Loclization and porpogand discussion >>1849954
>Misc Helluva Boss/Vivziepop drama and discussion :>>1831033, >>1831111, >>1832590, >>1833326, >>1835159, >>1835550, >>1836201, >>1839709, >>1840841, >>1841172, >>1844198, >>1850175, >>1852374, >>1852489, >>1853112
Since this is the most active thread on the site for animated content, casual non-milk discussions about comics and other animated topics are also permitted
I'm glad more people are realizing how different S2 Loona is to S1. I'm pretty sure it's because of the new writer, Adam West, who's one of Brandon's followers or something.>>1852865
It's our fault for expecting consistency here.>>1853057
She was always like that, she was always more focused on her male characters than female. One of her gay characters, Addison, she drew fucking snakes twice. Weird when you consider his mother is a snake.
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>‘Among Us’ Animated Series in the Works at CBS Studios From ‘Infinity Train’ Creator Owen Dennis
But why though https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/among-us-animated-series-cbs-studios-owen-dennis-1235655516/
It's practically a law at this point.
If an IP makes enough money then they have to make a show or movie with it.
Maybe pushes from shareholders because its probably a sure bet to turn a profit.
It's more frusterating if you remember that the Lust episode was the M&M's anniversary and could have dove deeper into their relationship. Could have introduced Fizz just fine. But oh no, he's also Blitzo's ex boyfriend and now those two are side characters to focus on Blitzo being an asshole to Stolas (I don't even know why people ship these two so hard)
Then he invades a Loona episode the same night
Honestly people online where shitting on Vortex, the hound that invited Loona. They were complaining he led her on. But the writers forgot to remind the audience that he told her he had a girlfriend in season one.
Ideally the episode could have been Vortex being Loona's first friend, asking why she's freaking out. Calm her down and tell her "Hey we can't date. But I invited you for a reason. You're cool girl. We'll hang more." Loona learns how to comfort someone else because of Vortex, and when she sees her dad crying on the sofa comfort her dad for the first time in her life.
BOOM! Instant character development for three characters right now. JFC I hate the writers in this show
also adding that doing the writing like this will finally give a friend only platonic relationship. Everyone wants to fuck each other in this show and it's so tiring. I barely count the father daughter relationship because it doesn't work. It just centers around Blitzo being gay at the end of the day.
I even hate how the show is hinting that Loona and Octavia will be a gay couple instead of friends. You can just be friends with someone, not everything has to be a god damn ship
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This is such a shit take from Viv because there are species of flies that pretend to look like bees to steal honey. It actually keeps the perfect theme of gluttoney
She only made her a sparkle dog because she wanted "Die young" 2.0. She needs to take an L and just admitted it was a poorly designed character and ego trip she got Kesha to do a song
I've seen a lot of defenses along the lines of, "she can't be fat!!1! She has
to be sexy to tempt people into committing her sin!" But like. You can make her fat and sexy? Like that's a thing you can do. It really seems to me like Viv can't draw fat women and Kesha wouldn't have voiced at fat character. But in that case, pick a fucking sin other than Gluttony! Wouldn't it have made more sense for wolf guy's girlfriend to be the queen of Envy, since the whole point is that Loona is envious of her? I'm not a HAES retard, by the way. I just think that if a character represents gluttony, they shouldn't be thin. It's common sense. The laziness is so transparent, Viv just recolored and slightly modified the design of one her many other sparkledog characters.
If Viv wanted to do her BS she coulda made Bee a femboy or trans. Because her defense of "if you want to be accurate he's suppose to be a guy" bullshit. There are just ways to keep this character on brand while meeting her bronie stickers.
I don't know why she's pressed people are calling her out on just wanting to rebrand her old Die young animation. Even then people are right, she could have kept the furry character, just don't make her Beelzebub. Or fuck here's something? Do a separate fucking music video? She made that bad luck jack video. She's fucking up her own show and makes me worried that Hazbin hotel is going to be hot garbage or cancelled after the first season for fujo BS
It's just a 6 minute youtube video covering all her excessive replying. Relax.
If she doesn't want people like this making videos of her, she shouldn't even be replying to people who are just saying on Twitter they openly hate her designs.
The video itself isn't what I was talking about, also didn't post in defense of Viv so I don't understand why you're making that point either.
What I was talking about is the way that Viv sniffs on twitter and 3 different people make like 15 min videos talking about it for no reason. Her fandom is brainrot.
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He looks like a pedophile.
Pixar advertising tried force a "Morbin tine" like meme with a minor character from Elemental
>Elemental isn’t making the best kind of records for Pixar anyways. In the first week, the movie opened with the worst box office opening for any Pixar movie, making around $30 million. Now, families who have gone to see the movie, love it and claim it to be one of the best Pixar movies in a long while. So what’s the problem? Marketing.
>Pixar may have thought they were being cool and doing something fun when creating this video, but Elemental turns one kid, Clod, into a “rizz god,” as some would say. Well, what’s rizz, and what does that have to do with anything? Rizz is slang for sweet-talking someone, and Clod is a kid trying to win over the main character, Ember with his charm. That might seem simple, but Pixar glorifies this by making a video that takes all of the scenes with Clod using his “rizz” to get Ember or someone else:
Vidrel is an actual published (by Disney/Pixar on twitter) ad. It was deleted after people poked fun at them.
Migendering his own tranny character kek.
I think I vaguely remember this guy. Didn't he make some really pretentiously written defenses of the thundercats reboot some years back? I don't remember very well, I just remember finding him obnoxious for some reason.
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This movie was way more retarded than I anticipated. I was laughing but not at the jokes the film made, it was the interracial relationship allegory. Ember (the fire woman) could've prevented half the conflict that happened in the movie if she just vaporized the water man. Even in the movie, she acknowledges that accidentally vaporizing him or him extinguishing her flame is a reason why they cannot BE together. There is also this REALLY retarded part. The mother performs love readings and discovers that the two characters might be dating. She then invites her daughter and wade into a room where she conducts her readings. She tries to use this as evidence of why they can't be together, because it is typically done by two fire people igniting the candles. Wade then says, "well ackshually" stands in front of Wade, puts more mass on the top of his body, and uses that to light the other candle. I don't know why since this is probably the least stupid thing in the flim but it had me actually say "come the fuck on" out loud. The only other part of the movie that made me do that was the "crying game" part.
There is also a Tif in the movie who is a lesbian but she only shows up for a couple of seconds. And you wouldn't even know if this character was a tif because wade says "this is lake and lake's girlfriend". And I just interpreted that to mean this was just a lesbian and not a gender special. Picrel is what the character and her voice actress look like. Disney really is scraping the bottom of the barrel these days kek.
(note that I haven't watched the movie so I could be talking straight outta my ass)
Them touching each other despite previously being stated they would basically destroy each other feels it's not so much of a "love finds a way" or whatever positive message it wants to convey. It feels more like the message ends up being "even if you both are toxic
for each other, you should give it a shot anyway", really sets the ground for healthy relationships huh
I haven't seen the movie either only read the wikipedia summary, but I don't think the two main characters are toxic
for each other? Based on the plot, it seems more like other characters/element racism are keeping them apart. The "everyone else wants us apart but we love each other so much" trope isn't exactly uncommon. That aside the movie feels like Soul, where it can't decide if it's supposed to be for little kids or adults and it's overall ugly.>>1854843
He's the only character I really have a problem with, why the fuck did they make him like this? Someone in the writer room has a complex for sure.
spoiler, in case anyone actually cares, but she infact does end up vaporizing him at the end of the movie but then brings him back by making him cry lmao
also i guess they didn't know for sure if touching each other lead to other destroying the another, they just assumed and the water smothering the fire or the fire vaporizing the water could be understood how their personal differences could end up overpowering the another like the fiery (kek) temperament of the dire girl could be too much for the sensitive water dude or the water guy's sensitivity could be too smothering for the more spicy fire girl.
everybody makes excuses for Epstein associations for their faves, whether it’s Trump or Clinton or Alan Dershowitz or whoever
Matt Groening has nothing to do with The Simpsons anymore except collect profits, so how is he even relevant
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>Elizabeth Bank's plans a 'Flintstones' Sequel titled 'Bedrock'
>Fox has announced Elizabeth Banks' 'Bedrock' is in the works, a sequel of the iconic animation 'The Flintstones.'
>Bedrock follows the Flintstones during the transition to the Bronze Age. Elizabeth Banks is set to star in and executive produce the series.
>Announced two years ago, Bedrock is set to star Elizabeth Banks who will also executive produce the series. Banks' production company Brownstone will be working in collaboration with both Warner Bros. Animation and Fox,
>Set 20 Years After OG Series, Much like The CW's interpretation of the Powerpuff Girls, Bedrock will focus on Pebbles Flintstone 20 years after the end of the series during the transition from Stone to Bronze Age.
>Writer on DC Super Hero Girls (2019-) and Cleopatra in Space (2019-) Lindsay Kerns will be writing the series pilot script.
>Fox Entertainment President Michael Thorn spoke of the new series, as well as Kerns and Banks' involvement stating,
>"[The Flintstones] imprint on the animation universe is undeniable and the idea of adapting it for today's audience is a challenge we here at Fox are very much looking forward to taking on with Warner Bros., Elizabeth and Lindsay. No pressure whatsoever, really."
>Known for her direction of Charlie's Angels (2019) and Pitch Perfect 2 (2015), as well as her acting chops in The Hunger Games films (2012-2015) and Love & Mercy (2014), there's no doubt that Elizabeth Banks is a force to be reckoned with and we can't wait to see what she does with this sequel.
Who asked for this and why Elizabeth Banks of all people? she's produced 3 mediocre films and everything else has been crap. Not to mention she's a baby trafficker.
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Hated that show the first time around, who the hell is this for?
that and isn't the flinstones kinda old? it did okay back at the time but there is no way to re do the flintstones to be a popular IP. I know some 70's and 80's stuff can be redone. A lot of fantasy stuff can be redone because that's timeless. But the flintstones?
Now excuse me as I dream of a Last unicorn remake
Big weird generalization, women don't want cartoons because "they are dumb"? And who made them dumb? Maybe women don't want ugly booby bouncing fetish-laden porny fart jokes with no plot and are also WOMEN and not little girls so probably don't watch little kids shows like degenerates who obsess over ponies. Women don't numb their brains with the animated equivalent of predigested baby food and someone think that's a bad thing?
Believe me I don't want animated theater either, where characters just stand around a talk talk talk– wait isn't that just Family Guy and South Park?
that's why there's an entire discussion about it on a woman's website
obvious man is obvious
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I dunno. We're converting you(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Well the earliest known ancestor of humans lived >5 million years ago (by the Miocene epoch), well after the non-avian dinosaurs had gone extinct (K-Pg, ~66 mya). Realistically, there would not be any non-avian dinosaurs co-extant with humans or related groups.
Also, terms like "stone age" and "bronze age" do not refer to a specific time period in Earth's history, like if you were to use the geologic timescale in picrel. Those terms are used in archaeology to delineate roughly the timeframes during which a community of humans had learned to create and use such materials—different civilizations have different start and end dates for bronze ages, iron ages, and the like, so again, it's not exact.
Apologies for the extreme autism but earth science is my expertise
Kek. And there's no cars!>>1855693
I thought this was obvious to everyone that dinosaurs and humans didn't coexist in the ame timeline.
Those posts were just so painfully incorrect that it was hard to ignore. Sometimes I forget just how dumb the average anon is kek no offense to the nonnies
I might be a bit more forgiving of>the Bronze Age started in the Middle East
but to say that (non-avian) dinos and humans lived together? Well there aren't any talking sponges or sea stars in the ocean, either!
Case in point.
Honestly, might not be the worst idea to set up another autosaged thread for the fucker. Seems to keep him somewhat contained.
If you'd bothered to read the posts which l'd quoted, you'd come to realize that I was obviously not talking about the inaccuracies of the Flintstones itself but correcting deeply uninformed assumptions about ancient humans made by anons who were criticizing the reboot, and I indirectly inferred that it would not matter if dinosaurs go extinct by the series' Bronze Age because non-avian dinosaurs and humans never coexisted in the first place.
But you didn't, of course. Reading, using context clues, and creating an informed assumption requires too much brain energy.
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Then why was the conversation about the reboot being had in the first place? Kek
There's no need to double down. Just admit that you were retarded and thought that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. Hopefully you come away from this thread knowing that that's not the case. And always remember to sage non-milk. Cheers.
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There actually was a Black spinoff in development that never got picked up, but that happened back in the 70s. A couple years ago Seth McFarlane was supposed to reboot the Flintstones, but that fell apart too. Third time’s the charm?
Not to worry, nonna, the -enes and -ics are still around. We live in the Holocene
epoch, of the Quaternary
period, of the Cenozoic
era, in the Phanerozoic
eon! The Paleogene and Neogene are sometimes collectively referred to as the Tertiary period (hence why we live in the Quaternary).
The last non-avian dinosaurs lived in the Cretaceous period of the Mesozoic era. Dinosaurs also lived during the Phanerozoic. Geologists are currently talking about implementing a new age in geologic history called the Anthropocene
.soz I’ll quit sperging about geoscience now (unless somebody else has a question kek)
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He looks like a groomer.
ayrt>We live in the Holocene epoch, of the Quaternary period, of the Cenozoic era, in the Phanerozoic eon!
Sweet! Thanks anon.
And thanks other anon. Anthropocene is dope. Hope we haven't messed up the planet that much, though.
Honestly, the main arguments in favor of it are that we've done enough in such a short time frame, such as nuclear testing and wipespread burning of fossil fuels/use of plastics, that it would likely be detectable by future scientists.
As far as I'm aware, there is overall a fair bit of agreement that we have in fact done enough to reach that point; the debate is moreso about exactly when it would have started. Arguments span anywhere from placing it at the dawn of agriculture, all the way to the first nuclear tests and the isotopes they left behind.
Hell, if memory serves, there was a new mineral classified a few years back that arguably only exists as a result of human mining activity, and another that was discovered back in 1950 growing in a museum storage cabinet, and was the result of certain minerals being stored in oak drawers reacting with acetic acid in the wood.
I'm literally typing this from the mineral/fossil shop I work at, so apologies for the additional geology sperging lmao(derailing)
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Props to the screenwriters and directors for turning a wannabe deep tumblr comic into(from what I've read from reviews) a fun and energetic film (this was not the case for the original comic).
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Kek reminds me of that weirdo that created the ducktales reboot. What is it about animation that all of the men are like this?
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Alastor's new VA
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So, I watched Nimona with my bf(who had never read the original comic) and we both ended up enjoying it, and I won't spoil anything, but a lot of things from the original comic have been changed, including character motivations, backstory, tone, world-building, relationships, etc. The only things that remain the same are a few memorable scenes and the core basis of the characters. The world in the movie is much more realized and techno-feudal, rather than the wannabe adventure time vibe of the comic. Riz Ahmed and Chloë Grace Moretz both gave surprisingly good performances (especially Riz), but Try Guys Eugene didn't quite hit the mark. Overall, I gotta give praise to the directors and screenwriters for making this an enjoyable film.
So I have a question that I'd like to ask. Does art style matter to you when it comes to shows and play a part in whether you want to watch said cartoon or not? I recently got in an argument with my sister who was saying that I should watch Fish Hooks because it's funny. I replied saying that I just wasn't interested because I found the art style unappealing which we then got into a discussion about modern day western cartoos and I explained that I simply just don't find a lot of them appealing to look at.Keep in mind, I was talking mostly about the mainstream big 3 networks consisting of Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney Channel. To give age context, I'm in my very late 20s.
Anyway to me I just don't much care for how overly simplified a lot of cartoons on these networks have been looking. I'm not the most tech savvy in explaining it but what I mean is that so many of them hav the same old overly simplistic character design with bland generic looking backgrounds and just the way the coloring look. And it's just to a point where when I see this style, I'm just not interested in watching the show. I don't "hate" the style or anything but I'm just disinterested in it. Amazing World of Gumball, Steve Universe, We Bare Bears, Summer Camp Island, Big city Greens, etc. The art styles just don't appeal to me.
Anyway my sister ended up calling me a "negative hater" because of this and it just got me wondering if I'm the only one who feels apathetic to the modern day western cartoon style?
I think my biggest problem with a lot of these shows is just how "samey" they feel. I come from a background of growing up with the usual millennial cartoons like Dexter's Lab, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Animaniacs, Tiny Toon Adventures, Spongebob, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Invader Zim, etc. And the thing is that a lot of these shows had pretty simplistic character design as well but I think that along with that, each show had a vastly different look to them (for the most part) even done to the coloring of the shows and I feel like that is something missing with a lot modern cartoons (excluding things you see on Netflix where there is a lot of varying art styles)
Anyway I'm curious what others think on this topic.
YES. From looking at different shows, mediums like video games- it’s more apparent now than it was a decade ago but people expect SOMETHING from an artstyle. It’s an art form and it helps convey what the medium is producing or helps subvert expectations.
You can see this with the mass produced Rick and morty style, gravity falls, anime, ect.
I mean, how often have you tried to get into the show because the artstyle was somewhat decent or appealing?
A little off topic but I think that’s why shows like Steven Universe and Hasbin Hotel stood out, it wasn’t really the writing, when you look at the trailers the artstyle stands out, and both at the time looked unique in their own right
AYRT. Yeah like I don't mind if an art style is simplistic but I like when said simplicity comes with something unique that makes it different from the other. Invader Zim was simplistic but the characters hard starch angular bodies with bold line, almost comic-like and of course the atmosphere of the show was darker. Then you compare that to a show like Xiaolin Showdown that was also simplistic but had this very oriental look to it.
Many of these new cartoons just looks so samey that they could co-exist within each other.
>Steven Universe & Hazbin Hotel
I'll admit that I didn't really enjoy Steven Universe but I will agree that it definitely had an art style that made it stand out even though it too was pretty simplistic in style. But yeah Hazbin Hotel and even Helluva boss for all the ragging it can get, at least you can say for better or worse, it does stand out among the other modern cartoons you see on the big networks.
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i am not talking about animation, but the core designs. The first season of Venture bros had very limited animation, it was pretty much a low budget anime where only the mouths moved, but the character designs salvaged it and it's why the newer seasons could improve upon the animation and char designs. I honestly dont understand why something as ugly as bob burgers exists, even the movie, with top dollar animation, looked like absolute horse shit. There is no salvaging such hideous char designs and artstyle. I also cant believe the fox/disney executives made MORE of these abominations, there are like 3 other bob burger ripoffs with the same hideous artstyle. Even simpsons ripoffs in the 90s and early 00s had very diverse artstyles(mission hill, duckman, oblongs) , so i dont understand why it got so bad now.
Well the core designs are designed that way to be faster and easier to animate. VB designs are more specific and require more “special poses” (usually done by character design) where BB is a lot of symbols, less action intensive, easier to keep on model. I guess there’s also appeal in making them crude and childlike to be “subversive” rather than immediately adult LOOKING like something out of a graphic novel>Even simpsons ripoffs in the 90s and early 00s had very diverse artstyles(mission hill, duckman, oblongs) , so i dont understand why it got so bad now.
Advances in technology. That’s it. They’ve found new ways to cut corners so they’re using them. Note that there are SO many more “adult” animated series now than there were then…it’s because it is so much easier and cheaper to slap together a show now than it was then.
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With all the press about Nimona I just spotted that ND has definitely had lip filler to reduce their gummy smile.(sage goes in the email field)
Thank you anon and all the others who responded, it's nice to know I'm not alone in these thoughts. My sister's commen really did put me into thought on whether I truly am just being a "hater" on modern animation which I know isn't true because I actually do like some modern shows's art styles like Aggretsuko, Castlevania, and Kipo and the Age of Wonderbe. Heck I even ike Helluva boss's art style ignoring some of the dumb character design choices like with Beelzebub, at least it stands out and looks different than what we're seeing with the stuff like you metioned (Craig of the Creek, Breadwinners, etc).
I think it's because networks want people to have these boring and soulless styles because they don't cost much to animate which may save them money but end up farting out bland, unappealing shows.
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To no one's surprise, that Ruby gillman shit didn't do well in theaters. It did worse than Spiderman this weekend and that movie's been in theaters for weeks.
exactly, the noodle corporate 3D art style is deeply ugly and more importantly done to death. its audience fatigue same as marvel/superhero fatigue. people enjoy a bit of ugly IF it's new unusual and original. but run for the hills if it's ugly AND beyond overdone.
also lo and behold "incredibly beloved character Ariel is evil now and you dumb stupid sheeple sucked for ever liking her in the first place" as your only hook and gimmick actually alienates audiences rather than drawing them in. i'm not particularly attached to ariel myself but goddamn. at least shrek was smart enough to lampoon the vintage disney princesses, even genuine fans can admit snow white can come off a little strange today. that doesn't translate at all to "lol u know how we all hate cringe ariel!" like no, the people really don't. now they just don't like you ruby grubhub looking ass
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A lot of the movie just looks ugly and I say that as someone who really liked the stylization in turning red.
Some of the designs are ok, i like Rubys human form, but a lot of them are either bland or just ew like pic rel.
Did not help that the trailer basically revealed everything except the she's actually an adult
twist which yknow, kinda ruined a lot of the teen bonding friendship moments between Ruby and Chelsea people enjoyed from the trailers. Like all the comments were about how they were excited for their friendship.
The comparison to Ariel thing also only lasted like 1 trailer, not worth it.
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It’s actually so tragic, because they could’ve done so much more with this movie. Like, the fucking “Romeo and Juliet” plot was basically served on a silver platter, but ofc they don’t have the balls to have an openly lesbian relationship in their shitty cartoon. The amount of “mermaids are actually evil” in their promo made me think they will do a propaganda commentary, and the toxic
grandma (who literally drove away her only daughter and grandchildren because of the hatred towards a DIFFERENT RACE, basically also capture a bit of the shitshow that Hailey’s casting caused for the Little Mermaid) would be the villain. They could’ve done “Chelsea might be cool in human world, but she doesn’t fit in the ocean world all that well” to do the relatable moment and bond her and Ruby together. They could still keep the betrayal, but justify her trying to destroy human world with the pollution/exploitation of the ocean/parental expectations and then deescalate it with a good ol’ fight. Instead they decided to fully ride the “generational trauma” train just like all the other “popular” movies. Like, it was fun once/twice/thrice, but now LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE of Disney movies is a generational trauma one, I am so done
Do you have any examples, this sounds hilarious>>1858288
style aside the advertising for this was terrible, they didn’t have an appealing angle to market it all. Every ad I saw was a one note joke about the subversion of the mermaid trope which isn’t enough to sell a movie on. I was sure it had to be based on a book or something that had a thin plot and didn’t translate to film well but it’s apparently an original story.
I'm curious about the original version of this movie "Meet the Gillmans". The change from Ruby knowing to not knowing is huge and I'd love to page through that script to see how the original story played out.
"The plot for Meet the Gillmans is the story of a typical teenage girl, Ruby. Growing up in a seaside town in Florida. Like all teenagers, she’s embarrassed by her family. Only in this case, Ruby has extra reason to be embarrassed; because she’s from a family of …sea monsters. No one in town knows this (the Gillmans are “different” but the locals chalk it up to them being from Canada), but poor Ruby is scared to death that someday the truth will come out. If this happened, what would become of her social life? It would be calamitous. Naturally, the truth comes out, and disaster ensues."https://thegww.com/exclusive-dreamworks-animation-sets-meet-the-gillmans-for-2022/
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When is there going to exist any movies that aren’t about generational trauma? I get three or even four movies about it, but the whole>your family/traditions was the real villain all along
Is getting obnoxious. I just don’t give a tiny single little fuck about these people that have to carry the burden of this oh so terrible trauma of living in a nice place and having the chance to start again and get along with new people. I know it’s more than that but it always seems weird to me how most of the times it’s the maternal figure (grandma/mom/aunts) who is the bad guy, I know that lame ass buzz lightyear movie and elemental have the dad as the bad guy, but it still leaves me with a sour taste when the mom is the evil mastermind behind the child’s misery.
That's literally most movies now about the generational trauma. Conflict comes from misunderstanding or within and no one is really the villain. Moana's dad was the 'generational trauma' not-really-villain, it's the exact same thing as other movies with this theme imo.
Sry if you were being sarcastic.
I didn’t want to say that directly because it comes as tinfoily.
But yeah, I know some parents suck ass and some families are dysfunctional and makes the lives of everyone else quite miserable.
But haven’t you noticed how most of the times they’re families that are somewhat okay? Maybe it’s some “oh you can’t see the deep conflict inside a seemingly perfect/decent family” kind of thing and I’m not noticing that because in the end they’re not really selling a perfect family, just average families.
I would understand generational trauma as something like say, pick the kraken movie and make it that the girl has divorced parents and her mom’s side has krakens, so she has to know who is her mom and maybe try to get along with her even though she got divorced, so after lots of awkward moments, she notices how her mom is actually a huge bitch, fights her and understands that just because she’s genetically related to her mom, doesn’t mean she has to be like her, and her dad had his very understandable reasons to divorce her mom.
I feel like that’s relatable enough considering how divorces are so common.
But the families in these movies are just tense at best, they’re not really complete dysfunctional disasters that makes the generational trauma that terrible or even relatable.
In the end, I don’t even understand the need to do those types of stories so many times, Rapunzel has that, Snow White too, Cinderella as well, those are the stories with generational trauma that are more than enough, other than that it’s just overkill. Plus, they’re just telling the kids to solve the issue themselves, not telling the parents “hey you suck ass get your shit together”.
I think there are other big issues to tackle in the real world that can be reflected in media, like herd mentality, or how you don’t need to constantly see things in black and white because there’s more to live than joining meaningless battles.>>1858526
Come on, nonnie
, you know damn well that no big studios will ever do a Romeo and Juliet romance or any sort of romantic plot with lesbians, don’t you know that women expressing love to other women is a fetish for men and it’s dirty to see two women holding hands? You definitely can’t show that to the kids, it will turn the frogs lesbians.
I have to agree with you on this. This place is TERF
central and that's fine but unless it's relevant, anons who comment only to criticize someone for using the wrong pronouns or name are just going off-topic. It makes talking about people on threads outside the MtF, FtM, and other trans lolcows annoying.
That said, you should also just ignore it and move on.>>1858526
The advertising campaign for this movie was terrible from the start, and knowing the twist and actual story for this movie was also a major disappointment. If Dreamworks wanted to one-up Disney, they really should have gone for the Romeo and Juliet plot like you said, and have Chelsea actually be the daughter of the evil mermaid.
Even without romance, the idea of a friendship between girls from warring families would have made this movie more interesting than it actually wound up being.
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>Another Toxic Lesbian Romance
What is wrong with her? Like, seriously, she always does this with her lesbian ships. For some reason, they are all toxic and unhealthy but framed as beautiful and complex. What's even weirder is that she seems to be able to write good gay and even straight relationships, so it's clearly not a lack of ability.
Have you the read the comic Noelle did about how Molly wife got together. If Noelle had a shred of self respect, she would left months before the day she spent the night on a couch while Molly fucked Molly's bf in the next room. Noelle has to glamorize toxic
relationships because she can't face the hot mess in a dumpster fire that is her current relationship
But did Noelle do the relationship in the movie? I thought that wasn't in the comics and was created by the creators of the movie.
I don’t really see your tinfoil nonnie
, Disney would know that parents notice that their kids are being influenced by these movies in a negative way, and stop letting the kids watch. Disney does everything for money, some people also think that they do things like putting gay relationships or minorities in movie so they can farm outrage that gets them free advertising for their movies but I don’t really see that either. Generational trauma being in everything is likely just a trend right now because so many of the younger people creating stories right now blame any problems on it.
i didn't read it this way at all, and i don't think it would really add anything if you did. sometimes female friendships are just like that. which isn't to say their relationship was complex or compelling, just that there's nothing wrong with attempting to explore toxic
dynamics between women. shit happens. maybe it could have been good if someone else were writing it kek
Pedophiles literally using cartoons to groom our kids. When can we take to the streets with pitchforks and flamethrowers? What are we even supposed to do at this point, become practically Amish to protect them from the world!? >>1858617
We are basically there already, every rainbow-haired munchie freak on TikTok moans about how they have so much "abuse" and "trauma" from their evil parents while literally living rent-free in their parent's homes. Divide and conquer but in the stupidest way possible.
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God now this is petty.(and this is coming from some one who dislikes the US)
Good grief, it's an American cartoon, there's nothing wrong with Disney putting it in their post about an American holiday. Many countries (especially in the Americas) celebrate their independence, it's not that deep.>>1859588
They deserve it, but it's not like it's hard. Seems like anyone who doesn't jerk off all the right people gets "blacklisted." I can't really think of any other career path where that happens. Western animation is uniquely incestuous and cliquey to the point where it can brand people with scarlet letters and deny them work for it. Like, of you're a shitty cook, you're not "blacklisted" from working at a restaurant. Doctors can lose their licences and Lawyers can be disbarred, but it's possible to reverse those things. What recourse does someone have if they get blacklisted for, se, revealing that they've been sexually assaulted by a guy with a lot of industry clout? They're fucked, because "blacklisting" is entirely informal.
Reassuring to know that even women who specialize in making media for children are perfectly content to put actual
children in danger when enough money and social pressure is involved.
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Do you genuinely believe there isn't mass-grooming being promoted?
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What the hell is this from?>>1857901
Side note when my internet was out I watched primetime tv for the first time in ages, I caught that show The Great North and holy fuck it's boring. It's just a ripoff of Bob's Burgers but without any of the heart, mildly entertaining plots or jokes. Why are shows so fucking boring these days?
I haven't watched the show but it looks like Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
Shame, it seemed like a cute show for kids
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so i just finished watching nimona. it was alright, better than i expected. nimona (the character) was a lot too much of the "star butterfly" over-excited female co-lead. what i'm mainly annoyed about is the message that you can't call yourself a girl while also being multifacetd.
That pic looks so fucking ugly, why the fuck do they draw the eyes like that?>>1860044
It absolutely is. There's no reason for kids to be exposed to adult sexual practices and performances. And it's not just a singular reference, they've been pushing drag queens (pedophiles) onto kids for a while now.
how the fuck does this shit get 500k views in 30 minutes?
i hope the asteroid comes and wipes out this earth asap.(Integrate, Reddit spacing. Don't put a line break between sentences.)
Somehow the most boring episode yet. What >>1860385
is true though. They had a scene where Moxxie and Millie had an arguement and resolved it in like 2 minutes. Millie expresses some need to be seen and admired but that is pretty much the only development you get of her. Blitzo and his sister are in this episode as a B plot. It's nice to see them doing the whole job thing again I guess.
I thought the episode was "meh" but not in a bad way. I agree that it was nice to see them doing a job again for once and for the music segments, it was nice to actually see a rock(ish) type song to change up the usual pop music that this show has had.
Crossdressing Moxxie was endearing I will admit and I love the unintentional terfy vibes. Moxxie acted like a stereotypical troon man and received the response that I'm sure many women have with IRL troons even if they may not feel confident admitting it. Love to see it.
It was also nice to see Millie in a situation where she wasn't a badass killer and got to unwind. It's a shame that she had to pretend to be a boy to do it but eh, I'll take what I can get kek.
The b-plot with Blitzo and his sister was interesting and I was just glad that his plot didn't overtake the main plot.
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I am once again asking for Viv to get a proofreader
Men always tend to pedophiles, and it's a lot worse if they're gay (hypersexual) and into some sick crossdressing fetish where they use silicone tits and vaginas to mock women. And yes, exposing children to a sexual performance, which is what drag inherently is, is pedophilic.>>1860648
If it's pushed onto children it's grooming. I don't care about what right wingers say but drag was born as a sexual performance and still is a sexual performance, so pushing that on kids is grooming. Take off your faghag glasses. Just look at how many drag queens are okay with children doing suggestive drag (like Desmond) and are okay with defending sex offenders working with children.
Late but fuck off back to Twitter tranny the women in this website are fed up with your entitled asses.
>MuH tERf CeNtRaL
This is called being normal you faggot loser. This is what most people think of your pronouns when they can speak their minds out. You have a serious disconnect from reality if you think normies are respecting your pronouns in their head outside of your hugbox but I'm probably talking to an industry cow probably so what to expect
I laugh a lot at Noelle's current hijinks but I 100% agree with you. Maybe if another woman had written this it would have been praised as exploring toxic
dynamics between women and female relationships but with Noelle's name on it you can't help to draw conclusions and people just won't see it under a good light anymore.
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I cringed so much at the poor attempt of giving Millie character depth. The fight with moxie felt so over dramatic also, fucking in front of an audience??? Weren't they the wholesome couple type? Feels a bit like a fanfic tbh
Out of curiosity but do you guys think this new Adam Neylan writer this anon >>1854158
mentioned may have something to do with the quality decline from S1 to S2?? I've checked and his name starts showing up in the credits right in the very first S2 episode right where the smoll gay bean bullshit starts. He doesn't seem to be mentioned in any other of the credits of S1 up until then, he just pops up from nowhere in season 2 and since then all episodes have been such crap.
Does anyone have any milk on him?
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Nta but this is from her Pixiv. Same art style, both do storyboards. You do the mathhttps://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/83483670
I do admit that her anime art is really low quality compared to the stuff in her portfolio. Maybe she's just really bad at anime art (suddenly her anatomy goes to shit when drawing it) but it's definitely the same person. You can also tell by both artists' obsession with child-old man relationships, which is obvious as fuck in her portfolio site (the gif is from there)
NTA, but I have some knowledge of this chick via several personal lolcows who are near to her. She has a lolixteacher OC which is featured directly on her site, the seventh image. If you search for "milkscum teacher" you can see her NSFW lolicon art of these same characters.>>1861162
How was this discovered? Her art as "milkscum" and "celese" is sometimes unrefined but there were still parts of it that said to me she was probably a professional who was taught to work in the industry. To think she works at pixar, I never could've imagined. She draws this stuff of kids movies too, she should be fired.
Samefag, just in case you needed more proof: Celesse, her Vtuber persona, speaks French. On her site it says she's Canadian and is a Sheridan alumni (in Ontario). So this is undoubtedly the same person. Also side note but her Vtuber design and the way she draws herself with those huge round glasses is so similar.
I find it sickening that someone can display their pedo degeneracy so openly on their professional website and in animations and illustrations that are meant for children. You can find the same themes she uses in her porn in her professional work and portfolio. This is far from the only case however.
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She’s worked on a bunch of films with kid characters and has drawn cp of Disney’s Rapunzel. I have no idea how she’s getting away with it when others are fired for way less. I know Handsomehugs was fucking crazy aside from her cp but how is she blacklisted while Koko isn’t?https://imdb.com/name/nm8357649/
>>1861219>cp of Disney's rapunzel
yeah OK you lost me there. I don't care how degen it is, I don't take anyone who calls porn of non existent children/teens "cp" seriously. the term shouldn't be watered down and have cartoons and anime on the same level.
it's just degen rule34, as if most people in the animation industry haven't drawn porn of under 18 characters. ESPECIALLY with Disney of all things. unless there's milk with proof she's been a creep to minors irl, I couldn't care less what she does with the cartoons.
agreed that retarded disney porn isn't comparable to something like cp at all >unless there's milk with proof she's been a creep to minors irl, I couldn't care less what she does with the cartoons.
but seriously? having openly degen people like this working in the children's animation industry is exactly how we end up with kink and fetish scenes in cartoons that CHILDREN watch.. just look at what happened with "totally spies"
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>>1861235>all french are pedos
That pisses me off as a French person, lol. She's not French though, she's just yet another Canadian-Chinese import trying to hijack the Quebec French identity. I have no idea why, but she is not the first Chinese English speaking vtuber that's just completely mentally ill like this. Not sure what it is about Canadian Chinese anime lovers/artists, but some of the girls are just completely degenerate to the point where it's scary. How do you get so openly into old man x little girl lolicon like that?>>1861190
Also, I've seen this vtuber before. She's part of the small Western lolicon vtuber gang on Twitch (yes, that is apparently a thing). I thought she was a male who's changed her voice, because there is a frog "loli" male vtuber she hangs out with and they're just openly into it. She's on the inside of that very specific vtuber clique.>>1861232
What does it matter if you personally don't define it as "CP"? Disney has strict rules against drawing this kind of art if you officially work with them. She could easily get canned if people connect everything. Also, why do you want this freak drawing cartoons for kids?
She said she was Vietnamese elsewhere, weird. Also, sorry anon but the French are known for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws
Insanely high number of "great" thinkers who were unabashedly pro-pedophilia. Deranged. Also, pretty much all Disney/animation staff in general are degenerates. They don't put it out to the public at mass, but it's common knowledge they draw that kind of shit of the characters. Tbh it doesn't seem like she actually did anything that "wrong", besides drawing that sort of thing on her own time. She's not even a writer or showrunner, just one of many storyboard artists.
Koko is not Vietnamese, that's Julia/Hulia/snout. They both speak French and are part of that >>1861436
vtuber clique, but Julia doesn't stream. Rangyi is another Asian in that loli clique.
>>1861436>Disney has strict rules against drawing this kind of art if you officially work with them.
Kek, who said that? I bet that a majority of Disney workers are, most of the people who are even in the animation industry are only there because of nepotism(literally almost everyone of them either know each other or have heard of them), you only get removed when you “don’t fit in” or “cross the line” with a few ppl in the group , agenda, or when a ‘new’ person points out a red flag>>1861623
Absolutely Sickening. The person probably hasn’t been called out completely because the style change- so it’s not “work related”
holy fuck this is hardcore ageplay shit, the constant dick innuendos, the baby voice, the literal dildo+pomf refs…this person is sick
i'm usually in the camp of draw w.e you want its fiction but their fetishes are clearly leaking out to irl, JAIL NOW
Is there some kind of lolishota/degenerate vtuber thread? I have some milk on the loli/degenerate vtuber clique I can contribute and these people definitely need their own thread. These aren't like Hololive girls or your standard cooperate vtubers. This specific clique are more like insane camgirls and MAPs with anime avatars.
I know there's been specific threads about people like Ironmouse and vtubers in general, but these people are on a different level. There's a girl who's stapled her vagina shut for attention and men were egging it on. They've gone completely unchecked because moids are protecting them and I feel like lolcow might be the only place to even bring it up.
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Anyone who likes this shit or draws it should be hanged, drawn and quatered. What the actual fuck they look 5
Jesus christ they must hire any schmuck off the street who can pick up a pencil and make something halfway decent. I'm the last person to moralfag about what other people draw, but this >>1862293
is a grown ass woman acting out CP and there is no defense for it.
We have more porn in the world than ever before, depicting every fucked up fetish under the sun, and yet somehow men are still rapists and predators. Porn is not a substitute for actual sex, AND with prolonged use it conditions you to become a brain damaged degenerate who needs more extreme content to get off.
If you think a pedophile would not prey on a real child when given the perfect opportunity to do so because their collection of loli anime cp is big enough, you are a complete fucking retard.
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The entire Ruby Gillman movie's been up on Twitter for days and Dreamworks has done nothing to take it down despite being tagged on it. They've really washed their hands of it completely.https://twitter.com/PapaPolio/status/1677854540261982210
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I wanna alog so bad….this is disgusting
Then we should archive the channel and collect caps and archives of these streams, if you’re worried about losing evidence. This shouldn’t be on youtube, period. >It's also not the same as CP because no actual child is present or harmed
Yeah, I know how anons feel about this topic because nobody can ever not bring up how they feel about shit like toddlercon not being “real cp”. I meant for Christ sake nonnie
, I wrote DRAWN cp for a reason, because that’s what it is and what it’s trying to convey—sexualized drawings of children—and you still have to add onto it saying it’s not actual cp. There’s a reason why “art” like this is illegal in many countries because it’s falls under the category of heinous sexual illustrations of children.
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My Adventures with Superman came out on adult swim a week ago. Superman gets a sailor moon transformation sequence kek. They try so hard to make Superman’s fight scenes look like anime fight scenes and Lois looks like the main character of the owl house.
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I thought she was a young boy at first, nowhere near an early 20 something.
AYRT, yeah I can get behind her with a pixie cut, I feel like she would sport something like that even though I'll forever have her Superman TAS hair burned in my head forever kek.
But like >>1863824
said, I too thought that was a young boy at first as well.
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Makes sense, the studio that produced Voltron produced this show too
The movie is so boring, but maybe it’s because I’m not the target audience, idk, it was very, very slow, I had to skip through it, I don’t know if I would’ve handled watching it at the cinema, I’m sure I would’ve either got out of there or I would’ve unironically taken out my phone to do anything else.
It’s one of those movies that could’ve been a direct to tv release or something like that. It could’ve been cool, but it wasn’t.
this show's western imitation of anime bothers me so much. it looks so bland. i'm not an anime fan and there are many generic moeshit shows too but when you compare this show to the most popular shonens, it looks so boring. the basic character designs don't help it.
also why is this for adult swim and not regular cartoon network?
Because they've learned from their other shows that the actual audience isn't children, but the terminally online adults with the emotional maturity of pre-teens.
Considering the production has fucks from NuVoltron and NuShe-Ra in it, that is the audience this thing is pandering to.
The biggest problem with western animation trying to imitate anime is that a lot of them don't understand the appeal. They often lack in good animation, interesting character design and expressive settings. Just parodying it with a transformation sequence is a far cry from what actually causes anime to have any appeal. No one is expecting western animators to make Violet Evergarden or anything but Voltron/SheRa are just disappointing. They try a bit too hard to be something they aren't.
I think avatar the last airbender is the best result you could get. It blends the styles and ideas of western animation and anime without feeling like a parody of either. The animation is there, the character design is distinct and the settings are interesting. Not saying that this criteria matches all anime (I've watched a lot, it doesn't) but for the ones that these series often try to act like, it does. It's obvious that a lot of the western animators watch anime and want to incorperate it into their works. I just feel as though they misunderstand why some things work and others don't.
They've already done an actual anime Batman. In 2018, WB hired a Japanese team to make an anime, Batman Ninja. In it, due to time travel shenanigans, everyone in Arkham Asylum and in Bat clan (except Batgirl for some reason) goes back to feudal Japan and Batman has to defeat his villains and take them back to the future all without messing up Japan's past. In order to defeat all he villains, Batman and co have to learn 'the way of the ninja'. And there are giant robots. True to form, the English dub differs from the Japanese version. The plot is the same but a lot of the dialogue differs.
And there is the half anime from 2008, the Batman: Gotham Knight anthology, where the animation was done by Japanese studios, but the writing and voice acting was done by Americans.
>>1864074>They often lack in good animation, interesting character design and expressive settings.
Not defending either because I don't watch nor give a fuck about either cartoons or anime (which is just Asian/Japanese cartoons) but good animation is the only claim you can extend to anime.
Generic sameface is not good character design nor is generic samey settings of aggrandized schools and a hyperfixation on youth and pedofilia because of widespread societal paranoia of an overwhelmingly aging and aged population.
and sf but i'm not for a second saying women don't watch all the actually well made and interesting cartoons and anime and DC stuff not explicitly aimed at women for fanservice. we do, all of the biggest batman the animated series fans i know are women who think it's fantastically made and written and badass.
what i'm saying is, exactly like men, we like to have our jackoff material too. and it doesn't need to be groundbreaking stuff. when something is shallow fangirl bait or shipping bait that means it's purely or primarily been made as jackoff material, which has always existed, just for women's libido rather than for mens tastes. there is a lot of money to be made in womens libido, studios will continue to cater some of their projects to it, while others will cater their projects more towards our intellects and craving for artist merit and good storytelling, as women tend to demand both. that's the way media has always worked. men should be grateful women are so passionate about animation that we are still demanding and watching quality art that even men can appreciate. our fangirl horny series will exist on the side for women to enjoy when the mood strikes, without interrupting womens consumption and creation of high quality animation and storytelling. and you all sound so fucking stupid to complain about fangirl shit with its meager presence in the industry and minimal but natural presence in our lives as pure sex release . like do get a grip
this is the only criticism of the show so far that holds up on this thread. clearly this show is meant to be comedic and pandering because every single demographic large enough to be pandered to gets their easy cash grab guilty pleasure shit. 9/10 it's men being pandered to and moids will write video essays about how well made their bikini magical girl drivel is. at least women are self aware of how derivative and low brow this hot boy mush is they pander to us. men think their pandering is high art and would never accept such a scornful word as being pandered to
but yea the magical girl transformation gag fails at being funny or charming because it's so overdone at this point. i'm glad they have a female self insert owl house / lance looking chick banging a bara hentai protagonist in a stupid little show and i hope hormonal young women have fun drawing porn of it
I'm getting tired of every single showrunner being a weeb nowadays
I wish somebody would take inspiration from 1960's bulgarian newspaper comics or some shit for once.
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>>1865189>She looks exactly like those Reddit cooker tomboy memes
seems like it.
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wtf i know this was a random example but you’re right. i would be very interested in a show that had an interesting style like this, every big western animated show looks so bland nowadays. sage i’m drunk
The only reason why we don’t see detailed 2D animation is because the industry consists of nepotism, laziness and an unwillingness to actually pay people for their work.
There are More people now than ever who want to get into the industry/art and animation in general, but corporates don’t see it as a “mature” genre and wonder why the American audience is more interested in manga and anime- they’re literally shooting themselves in the foot
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It's precure, to be exact.
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You made a shitty Adventure Time knock-off (like one-third of all Tumblr webcomics at that time) and then out of nowhere, you decided to make it edgy in the last third, which just made it confusing. Like, don't get me wrong, it's fine, but its deep or anything, Noelle.
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So far, it's only happened when he first encounters the guy I'm pretty sure is Jor-El. After that, his costume just sort of appears. That scene was pretty embarrassing, though. lmao I just hate fauxanime, it's so distracting.
Frankly, I'm more annoyed probably-Jor-El is a hot pirate looking guy and Livewire isn't impish and mean spirited. She's a badass paramilitary type for some reason?
Overall, I'm happy Superman is getting a show and they're not trying to make him "gritty." I was a bit disappointed they aged everyone down, but they're pulling it off for the most part and are obviously trying to appeal to tweens and teens.
The main trio has a good starting dynamic. I just hope they cool it with Lois' crush on Clark, it seems a bit out of character and fucks up the pacing. And I hope the precocious newspaper kid gang doesn't return, too… I almost shut the show off for good after that scene.
Hopefully the writing improves after they've established everything.>>1863824
She looks better with the jacket off. I love the tomboyish design, it suits a young Lois!
That said, her side profile is ATROCIOUS. picrel
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Mind you this is how Nimona began, a dumb "LOL RANDOM" adventure time knock-off that had massive tonal inconstancy.
csem needs an actual victim
for it to be declared illegal or arrestable. unless she like lives in a country that has that type of art illegal, authorities aren't gonna do anything about it. worst is she could be arrested based on obscenity laws.
people say it's stimulated csem but the only actual time "drawn cp" is legally considered as such is if it's like an obvious trace of an irl child, heavily based on an existing child (shadman for ex), or Ai/deepfakes. I am well aware pedos do use lolisho porn as an outlet but I'm skeptical it's what causes someone to be that way in the first place if they weren't initally.
there's hardly little to no solid proof of that happening when usually its the other way around. someone already having pedophilic thoughts getting into it can make them likely to offend if it's not keeping them at bay since they're aware they arent actual children, just cartoons that vaguely look the part.
however, I can't blame other nonnas for being concerned with someone drawing this type of content working in children's media.
for record this isn't me defending pedos but rather explaining why lolisho porn legally isn't classified as csem in most countries and that there isn't enough researched evidence to imply there's a connection to it in those who develop a pedophilic disorder.
>>1854359>literal fanfiction tier
I honestly thought that was the point of the show. Like, it's all over the fucking place with what it wants to be, so I figured it was the director's pet project catering to fujos.
The music and singing aren't awful per se, but they are amateur tier and the show insists on having a song each episode. It's like it wants to be Disney level show tunes, but the artists involved don't have the lyrical or compositional talent so you're just waiting for this forgettable song to be over.
The episode's pacing is just broken. New characters are introduced every episode but then the show spends so much time on them that we don't spend any time on the main characters or understand their motivations behind their reactions.
The characters themselves are fun and I want to know more about them, but every episode I just really get the feeling that's never going to happen because the director wants to instead use them as her Barbie dolls to act out whatever fan fiction she's got on her mind at the moment.
Character design is amazing and it stays very true to its style, the animation and choreography is well thought out, so I wish the show was overall better because I think they could really get a huge following if they stopped giving in to their whims and started treating it like a professional job.
Honestly my biggest issue with the Adventures with Superman is the QUALITY. It feels like they really squeezed with the budget. Sad to watch especially since the character designs for Clark and Lois are really cute.>>1866398>>1863941>>1863790>Sailormoon transformation sequence >parody
None of this looks like a parody, it looks like it's played straight? And neither Sailormoon nor magical girls are the only shows to use transformation scenes, there's shit like sentai/tokusatsu too.
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Honestly if Nimona's art style looked like this: >>1866687
I'd be more likely to watch it instead of whatever ugly crap this is
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It's just my opinion, I don't have any formal training in animation or character design but it's off the beaten track for what I'm seeing in other cartoons. It's much more of a throw back to 2000's. Maybe I've just gotten tired of seeing the exact same animation across the board with stuff like Bob's Burgers or Rick and Morty, so it makes anything different look exciting by comparison.
As hilarious as that sounds do you have more examples? I can’t wrap my head around studios not hiring animators. Maybe they outsource the in between but the key frames have to be made in house>>1863790
I love how Jimmy’s design is so bland and uninteresting it only comes up in defence of the race swap.>>1863824
Honestly I don’t hate it I just wish it wasn’t accompanied with massive coomer energy.
I know that comic book adaptations don’t give 2 shits about actually being adaptations. Usually with animation there’s less of an excuse to deviate and if you complain you’ll just look insane.
At least anime fans give a shit.
almost all animation in America is outsourced to places like canada/korea/japan. With the exception being that most of the 3d feature animation is done in house although they also outsource to places in Vancouver or other studios. That's why when you see the end of animation movie credits there will be multiple studios listed. Sorry if I over explained.
In house they usually do the storyboards and then ship them off to an animation studio to do the animation.
Late, but the reason anime never looks so bland like western animation these days is because anime has a very established pipeline (most of the time). You either have animes made off of mangakas who only get popular based on their style and writing, or you have studios that have their own style entirely when they make in-house series.
We don't have anything like that in the west. We have people that put themselves into debt to get art degree connections and then try to make it in an industry that hates taking risks and very rarely gives women a chance, unless they get into some weird moid drama that vaults them into an opportunity. Most people who have style and good ideas are gatekept and only end up doing indie stuff, because that's all that's available to them.
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>>1867892>I know that comic book adaptations don’t give 2 shits about actually being adaptations. Usually with animation there’s less of an excuse to deviate and if you complain you’ll just look insane.
At least anime fans give a shit.
Harley Quinn was a major risk the 90s DC animation team took and it paid off handsomely. Livewire is another cartoon adaptation creation beloved by comics fans. I'm glad capeshit isn't treated like some sacred cow by animation teams, even if I disagree with their direction.
>Honestly I don’t hate it I just wish it wasn’t accompanied with massive coomer energy.
Please elaborate because what the fuck are you talking about>>1868231
That's just online culture at large in the 2020s. I hate it.
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It's probably bait nonnie
ignore and report
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Oh my god, they make Lex Luthor an ikemen
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Lex luthor peaked in this and never again also he's hotter than the new one
Lacryboy looking mf. >>1868890
Man I hated Fiona’s design back in the day.
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Lex Luthor is canonically a ginger though.
..we didnt make the show? ..take your meds. Besides why do i think this is targeted to danofags? I actually like his design but i hate the artstyle with a passion
retarded post. honestly there's gotta be a male in this thread right now there's been so many absolutely cumbrained takes here lately.
also fionna's hair sticking out of the hat looks fucking stupid.
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I can understand why. Natasha had to make the design cute and appealing and I don’t think that would have been easy.
Wow, looks neat (save for the part with all the humans and what not)
Adventure Time was my favorite cartoon when I was a kid so I think I'll actually try watching this
Fionna and Cake was honestly the only reason why I wanted to watch adventure time, the other drama and chapters were kinda fun, but Fiona and Cake are more my style.
I guess I don’t mind her living in a regular world and then visiting a magical world, we don’t need the same drama that Finn had with his roots and that got kind of boring after a while.
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I have no idea how to explain it but for the past few years “short haired, brown, tomboy, anime girl” attracts very comer and degen men. It’s practically a hentai category now
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NTA but as awful as that is, men are going to get off to anything they hyperfixate on, and they'll have hentai categories for every little thing. Though I have to say, I don't know if it's just me, but I don't mind them liking black/brown tomboys compared to all the other more deranged things they tend to gravitate to. As a brown lesbian myself who also likes other brown masc-leaning girls, this feels really minor to me?
Not a racebait, but I unfortunately can't say the same for girls with their husbandos almost always being essentially pale/white tumblr sexymen. Just browse through husbando threads here and you'll see women preferring pale/white males. I hardly ever see these girls fawning over specifically brown–not just tanned–boys. If anything, brown boys are often infantilized in fandom spaces, but never lusted over. Though, I'm wondering if it's an OSA woman issue, since I know lesbians fawn over black/brown women characters more in comparison, like Korra (picrel) and the like.
Just my two cents.
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>Of course they had to make her Asian for the weeb fetishizing moids
At this point why not just make an OC
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>>1869841>Damn I'd be evil too if that were me.
lol. In Luthor's original villain origin, Superboy accidentally made him go bald, which is part of the reason he went evil.
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Kek they're (women) are sexualizing clark now more than other iterations of super man. Nona I get your kneejerk reaction but coomers will always categorize women and girls through porn tags. My adventures with super man is so obviously targetting female audience, Lois looks plain and self insertable character while Clark is the himbo nerd object.
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I don't know, this just doesn't scream tomboy hentai coomery to me. Since a coomery design to me is Miss Heed from Villanous. (Mostly because of how much her design is a poor understanding of a magical girl and is a scrote pandering streamer somehow.) Though I concede to the nona saying she looks young but as someone from a brown country I've met tons of working women who look like this.
Can people please fucking explain what they mean when they say shit like this? All you people have said is "cartoon girls with dark skin and short hair are fetish bait" even though there's no evidence to back that up in this instance. Fucking log off if you're actually going to let some crusty twitter perverts' behavior color your view of someone else's work. She's not fetishized in the show, her design isn't sexy, she doesn't have a male-fantasy personality.
If you don't like the show or the character, just say that. It's fine, so far it's an okay tween show so you won't get much pushback. But she's not coombait by virtue of her race or haircut.
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Hollywood really is dying now.
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The Patrick Star Show(SpongeBob spin-off) turned Bubble Bass into a anime catgirl-loving ween and fucking Nostalgia Critic reference.
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Cause hairy fat nerds transcend decades
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In a vacuum they’re perfectly fine but she heavily resembles terminally online tomboy archetypes that coomers lose their shit over. If you don’t know about the meme you wouldn’t notice.
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Your picrel resembles nothing like her except for short hair and tanned skin, and that's not the only quality of her and your picrel's character design.
Stop desperately projecting your porn/screen addiction onto other people and take the L. You're on a board rife with women who can detect coomer bullshit from a mile away and none of us agree with you. >>1870936
is right, Lois' character design does not resemble the pic you posted, and her personality certainly doesn't align with what's outlined in that rancid fucking meme. How about you post something that actually proves your point? Maybe something from the show or by one of the writers? >>1870689
But Nostalgia Critic isn't a weird catgirl loving guy? He's cringe and his humor is basically screeching about muh plot holes, but he seems normie enough. Also handles hates pretty well.
Is it just the costume the Bass wears?
They should have spoofed Mr Enter lmao
can we take a second to address that pic
Why does it paint the picture that the tomboy in question is not an adult.
Email spacing, actually. Most people don't like staring at a clump of text, especially when it isn't all related.
You could address what I actually said instead of clapping back with a retarded one liner you copied off other users.
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To think, all this started cause of one fairly low budget (by Disney standards, less than 100 million dollars) reimagining of Cinderella (which itself was tapping off the success of "dark" fairy tale films that were somewhat popular at that time) that turned out to be massively financially successful and praised by critics for changing up the story, and a later Maleficent film that was also massively successful. producers thought they had a guaranteed money-makers and have been making these live-action remakes to the point that people got sick of them. Now they've run into the same problem they had with animated films. they're far too expensive and time-consuming to make and two or more flops mean massive failures and layoffs.
But the main thing about the movie is the gorgeous animation
Surprised that violet evergarden isn’t on the lisy
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Spoilered due to phone screenshots, but I'm not surprised that this episode was boarded by someone who still thinks about "moons haunted"
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Tayrt Lol nonnie
I'm a zoomer and I still got it kek I'm just a nerd not old.
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Yes she does. She has done stuff like this in the older comics. I remember people defending this on twitter showing a panel where she jumped off a cliff so superman would save her and she would get to work on time lmao. She's just a mad lass.
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I remember a Tumblr thread of panels of early superman comics of Lois doing absolutely wild shit, like turning herself black to know the plight black people face and test to see if superman is bigoted, going to aztec going to ruins to find a device to hypnotize superman into to loving her and go to the future to show superman one of their descendants as proof that they had to get married.
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most of the cast(barring chris parnell and jeannie tirado) have no experience in voice-acting and this is their first job.
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Except for Alice and Ishmal, the rest of the cast listed on the imdb for this show has voice acted before.
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>A character can be a murdering ganglord, but god-forbid he turns ever harms a troon.
I think him being an "ally" would include murder-raping a tranny like he would a woman instead of treating them different kek
Also why would black mask care extra if they were black? I'm pretty sure I've seen women of all colours being brutalised in comics, if the tranny were a real woman in Gotham I'd be surprised if they hadn't experienced violence
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>>1873240>It's so in your face that i thought this was a fan's edit. So unnatural and autistic sounding…
That's the majority of western comics these days.
Comic book writing has always been all over the place, post-gamer gate bad comics took on this specific type of preachy. Before that, I had to stop reading a ton of comics because they read like they were written by stunted gen x men whose only personality trait was cynicism. They made Batman cry all the damn time, too.
Gotta say, though, these are especially fucking bad. Makes me thankful that the mediocre writing for the cartoons didn't go this direction.
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Reminds me more of Jim Sterling than Nostalgia Critic. Spoilered because Sterling is a fucking disgusting troon.
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The funny thing is, There was a scene in the comics where a guy asks Black Mask why he likes torturing teenagers so much, and he said something along the lines of "my parents didn't love me as much as they loved my siblings, and I didn't get the chance to kill them, so I compensate"
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Vivziepop addresses season 2's decline in quality. i.e "if you have a problem with the writing your a homophobe, don't like don't read"
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Writers became very spiteful and enjoyed getting a rise out of fans. I’m not going to defend comic book fanboys but at some point things like picrel was just asking for backlash.
It didn’t help that media basically congratulated writers for basically pissing off their fans.
>>1873856>the coolest stories I’d ever read were fanfics about shows I loved
That’s not really helping her case.
What makes her show come off as a massive badly written fanfic is basically the same as why lore Olympus sucks, has nothing to do with bl or yaoi gay babies even if that trope is more common on yao/bl fanfics
The character design is ok and the characterization is ok (just exaggerated) but the the animation, pacing, and writing is fucking awful. It’s written like a kids show but they added a literal anime fan service scene and I doubt that’ll be the only one. I’m pretty sure this would’ve been on Cartoon Network if not for that>>1872471
She’s like if Lois was more spunky than sassy. I think the way everyone acts is ok but it’s like they hit literally everybody in the show with an airheadification beam.
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The show literally began with them having sex, no one has an issue with them being Gay, just that it feels like fan-fiction down the female character being reduced to a parody of herself just for the sake of the pwcious gay male ship.
Fucking kek. I honestly thought there was no way that's real but sure enough.
It also reminds me of people sperging out about The Owl House and She-Ra reboot and "eVeN vilLaIns rEsPeCt pRoNoUnS, THATS how evil terfs are!!!"
Because apparently 'misgendering' a character is literally worse than torturing and murdering people for fun
Viv is actually so dumb for this. So many of us read lesbian/gay stories all the time that have great writing and interesting characters on top of an interesting setting (if fantasy/scifi). People describe her story as being fanfiction like because it has many fanfiction tropes such as flanderising characters previously shown to be flawed but likeable to being a sad abused gayboi who needs to be saved by his love interest. Stolas used to be the lewd guy who actually really cared for his daughter despite causing her harm. She meant so much to him that he tries to change to become a better dad. But now when he's basically at death's door he thinks about the guy he fucks who doesn't even express affection for him. He thinks about his contract fuckbuddy over his daughter. What a fucking joke.
It's so frustrating seeing homophobia being thrown around as a defence because most people who get this criticism haven't dealt with a second of it their entire lives. Most people criticising this show's decline aren't homophobic. They're calling out poor writing and characterisation changes that people expect to see in fanfiction.honestly I wish all moronic showrunners like viv would take a writing class or just give up their IPs to a better writer.
this comic decided to retcon mockingbird being raped and killing her rapist (revenge stories were such a common trope in the 70s) and making it about her cheating instead. It sucks that rape is a common drama trope on female characters but if you wanted to rewrite her origin story you could have gone a more dignified way…cheating isn't feminist>>1874006
Mainstream comics have been trying for a while to look "indie" to appeal to the female market more. Girls still prefer manga though
>>1873887>Writers became very spiteful and enjoyed getting a rise out of fans.
For real. They spent like a decade plus playing into their fanboys' gross/super violent/gritty fantasies then said "nevermind, you guys sucked for ever liking this!" and started getting meta and self-flagellating. They take any backlash from their longtime audience as evidence they're morally just, rather than lacking in artistic and business acumen. Kind of like Disney's live action lineup.
What's weirder is they've been making fun of their neckbeardy superfans for along time with characters like Deadpool and Lobo- they're both widely liked and fun for more normie fans.
It's just so tedious. I didn't like the emo machismo bullshit from the 90s to the 00s and I don't like the current insulting attempts to court female readers. Thankfully there's always some good stuff in between.
For a long time, every bad comic writer wanted to be Frank Miller.
Male heroes would monologue like Dark'ness Dementia Raven for entire issues about how evil the world was and how jaded they were; they would be extremely violent (even if it was very out of character); every woman character was an annoying old bag, a prostitute, or dead girlfriend.
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If I needed another reason not to watch this crap.
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Ivy would totally be a TERF
imo. I'm not super up on the comics, but in BTAS, she was a straight-up man-hater (based.)
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Update on this. Apparently Neil Patrick Harris won't be becoming back for the show, so they had to recast the Prince. His new VA is Andrew Rannells, best known in animation for playing the token gay guy on Big Mouth. Did the casting director seriously go, "Welp, we can't get NPH. I'll just call up the first gay guy I can think of."
We'll just have to wait and see what kind of on-screen chemistry he has with the other VAs (including Donald Glover, who is thankfully back). He won some Tonys for playing the lead in the Book of Mormon, so he shares Neil's Broadway and comedy background.
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>>1873856>discussing this with a furry "voice actor"
Into the trash where it belongs…
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Being paired with Harley has really fucked up Ivy's character long-term, she was an avatar of primordial nature its self and now she's just Harley's girlfriend, who can't ever outshine Harley in her comics so she got nerfed even further, It also sucks that Ivy rarely comes across as truly misanthropic/misandrist anymore, Harley Quinn turned into her a jaded snarky millennial.
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I can practically smell the repulsive fatass who typed this.
There were moments between Harley and Ivy’s friendship where Ivy was legitimately abusive
and used Harley for her own selfish gains, just like the joker did
But now she’s just “uwu sapphic wlw lesbian gfs!!!! Men suck!”
Harley’s character changed when some injustice panels went viral, her character became too nice.
And people cheered on.
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I’m not super up to date with Carol but was surprised how morally complex/grey character she was before Marvel decided the most progressive thing was to give Carol amnesia and turn her into a generic #girlboss
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Translation: half this decade is gonna filled with every recognizable IP being made into a film, of which most will end up breaking even or bombing.
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mutual disconnect between the producers, writers, directors, and general audiences.
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Did you guys see the article about how horrible it was to work on across the spiderverse? I can’t imagine having to fully animate and finish scenes just so an insane producer goes and does revisions over and over again. Apparently the announced the sequel would be out in 9 months with work barely being started on it too. It’s so insane, we all thought it was almost done but they were just redoing the same scenes over and over again and waiting for months…https://www.vulture.com/2023/06/spider-verse-animation-four-artists-on-making-the-sequel.html
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Don't be a crazy, everyone wants to see the magic 8 ball film or the barney movie.
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My Adventures With Superman actually adapted the Intelligent Ape and Brain in a jar gay romance story.
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>>1876111>Polly Pocket but no Mighty Max
Wasted>American Girl Movie
I remember the Samantha, Felicity, Molly and Kit movies. They better mean they are making a Josfina,Addy, Kirsten, Kaya, Caroline, Nanna, Rebecca, or Cecile/Marie movies and none of the 1950s onwards ones.
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>'King Of The Hill' Dale Voice Actor Johnny Hardwick Dead
I am legitimately heartbroken over this. King of the Hill has been such a comfort, Dale such a favorite…
May he sling all the pocket sand in the afterlife.
+1 on the terf
thing. Poison Ivy only used men to further her goals and didn't really think much of them because she felt they were a threat to the environment. And from what I learned of her from a comic breakdown, she was mistreated by some men as well.
Poison Ivy should've totally been a manhater, that would've made for a great full-on villain. I agree that Harley really fucked her up kek and I personally hate how Ivy is portrayed in the Harley-Quinn show. My friends eat it up because "lesbian goals" but I'm just annoyed because she's not a badass anymore. Acting like an aloof annoyed snarker is not the same thing.
Man seeing this gif though makes me miss old school Ivy, she rocked.
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So apparently this was posted on Reddit and tumble. No wonder we didn’t even get a trailer this summer since the show was supposed to be released right about now. Just when you think things couldn’t get worse but here you go.
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Some guy on reddit saying just trust me bro just isn't a viable source imo
However I sort of hope this is true because it's funny as hell and I feel like the writing would be better without Viv's input
In the beginning I can see how all of this is unbelievable since it’s only a few who said it and anyone who drags on about shot themselves in the foot (the animator Erin Frost for example) but now that more stories are coming out, the way Viv reacts nowadays on Twitter, and how there’s no update whether HH is coming this summer or not it goes to show that something is up and it’s not good.
I remember seeing twitter posts about job opening every few months and it makes me wonder if staff is being treated horribly to the point where turnovers are happening. I get it’s a freelance contract job but with them finding people often under a short amount of time it really makes you wonder what the fuck is going on at Spindlehorse.
I used to be a die hard fan since the beginning of the HH pilot episode and the first season of HB, but now I’m just starting to lose interest since Season 2 is falling flat and drama seems to happen on Twitter everytime someone dares to bring up the obvious since those hardcore fans would harass them off the internet if they hurt their precious leader vivzie. Rather than flaming out the fire by calling out the people who does shit like this, Vivzie puts gasoline in it by being dramatic about it. That’s not way of making your fan base nor your image look good. It’s no wonder the rumor of A24 giving her the pink slip sounds believable since her behavior is setting an example of what bad professional reputation looks like.
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This shit what I’m talking about. Regardless if the rumor is true or not she had to act like this. If she wants to work with more professionals in the future then she’s blowing it BIG time. This type of shit annoys the fuck out of me. If HH ends up getting axed then this would be the reason why.
Thanks nonna! Was that a review for Skydance? “Pixar retirement home” sounds accurate>>1880172
I kind of agree, it sucks to lose your passion project but she voluntarily entered a contractual agreement, nothing was stolen from her…and if the rumors of her treating her crew like garbage are true, there are much bigger problems here than her being “annoying” and I can’t say I feel too bad for her in her million dollar house with her thousands of dollars of expensive bird taxidermy.
Thanks nonna! Was that a review for Skydance? “Pixar retirement home” sounds accurate>>1880172
I kind of agree, it sucks to lose your passion project but she voluntarily entered a contractual agreement, nothing was stolen from her…and if the rumors of her treating her crew like garbage are true, there are much bigger problems here than her being “annoying” and I can’t say I feel too bad for her in her million dollar house with her thousands of dollars of expensive bird taxidermy.
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>>1880182>Was that a review for Skydance
Kek yes it was
A lot of these studio reviews aren't surprising but as I'm only left to wonder why these people haven't been advocating for themselves to receive better pay? Or being paid on time ffs, picrel. Especially when a lot those complaints are in conjunction with complaints about being overworked. I'm not in the animation industry per se but how do they let these studios get away with it?
I'm way late to the party here, but this whole episode and the Cotton Candy song was…a choice.
Also it bugs me how she says "codden candy"
I knew this seemed familiar, people were pointing this out a while back too >>1608825
>>1608895 and from a 4chan poster that claimed to be in the industry and basically said the same thing about her being bitched out and booted. I'm not too sure how the dispute between Vivziepop and A24 could lead to her losing the rights though, studios usually settle that with contracts before working together, no? Perhaps this may be about her being booted from the showrunner position which led her to lose any kind of control she got from A24. I'll keep an eye on the situation while remaining skeptical but to think this could be real is fucking hilarious. I've known about Vivziepop since that weird adoptable drama and when she sperged about Zootopia because of her comic Zoophobia so I'm not surprised in the slightest if this is true.
Can’t get over the irony of her FINALLY hiring Kesha, in a full circle moment for her career and then getting caught up in legal red tape and being forbidden from mentioning her in any promo and having to recast her singing voice. That’s got to sting (the singer that they did cast did a pretty good job tho)>>1881073>Perhaps this may be about her being booted from the showrunner position which led her to lose any kind of control she got from A24.
I think this is likely what happened if anything and the people claiming she “lost the rights” are just misunderstanding what a showrunner position entails. I also think they may be struggling to find a way to release it or find a streamer that’ll take it.
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I work in the animation industry outside the US and have also heard these rumours, so can back this up.
Hazbin finished back at the start of the year. They've been sitting on it all year. I've heard similar reasons as this posts lists as to why.
Can also confirm production for HH was a mess. Super unprofessional. One example is they picked outsource animation studios with no TV experience because they 'liked their style' and fucked over a lot of people trying to coordinate the production.
Everyone working in and around it were pretty appalled with how childish and immature they were to deal with.
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Compilation of all the Spindlehorse Toons reviews from the Animation Studio Reviews spreadsheet that's been going around. They have the most reviews out of any studio and they ain't good lol
The spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aJHCQSA2dFdu4Fy__T3yDyiNqO0jMUBcku0EjKX3SZI/htmlview#
A lot of these come across as incredibly fake now that I have the time to read. Taking anything that mentions “misgendering” with a grain of salt. Also the story from a “storyboard artist” claiming that her mental health suffered from speaking out against a coworkers self insert making an appearance/an SA plot line is a load of shit. It’s a script based show, lol. There are some valid
concerns here but many of these are obviously BS and obviously written by terminally online children posing as industry professionals.
I want to know who all these secret gender critical people are. I can't really forgive Vivzie for making that stupid fucking "sister" of Millie's a tranny and stealing attention from one of the only female characters episodes, though. I would say it's based if she's secretly a TERF
, but Vivzie just sounds like a fucking child to work for and she's not openly GC.
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There were “leaked” discord screencaps of her making fun of TIFs going around a while ago. Also picrel lol
Nah, she’s actually been accused of being a terf
by gendie retards who criticize HB for being ‘problematic
’ and she insisted she fucking hates terfs. Do a search on her twitter.
She’s too much of a fag hag theater kid. She fetishizes gays and troons, but fakebois and enby autists aren’t cool to her and she’s a female misogynist so… this checks out.
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sage for non-milk, but I organically agree wit this
tbh this is just a case of showrunners letting it go to their heads
So many cartoonists seem very unhappy that they have to write children's shows and try to make it "deep" for adult audiences and to show they can write big boy plots too.
Bluey is great but I agree with everything else. My kid isn’t in the age range for things like Loud House (thank god) but the “preschool” selection is total shit on most streaming services. I’m thankful he’s cool with watching older cartoons.
Side note: the parents in Rugrats were actually neglectful and horrible and it is a miracle none of those kids died.
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There are amazing kids tv shows that are on Amazon such as Pete the Cat and Tumbleleaf (stop motion kids show) that don't have lore, pacing issues, or a overstimulation/random twitter humor. They are just pure kids shows for little kids to enjoy and learn about different concepts and ideas while characters sing, laugh, and go on adventures. Kids shows targeting kids 4-6 years old.
Unfortunately they have no clout because of this and no one talks about Pete the Cat or Tumbleleaf. My theory is that Bluey is a breakthrough hit because the parent characters are targeting the parents in the audience. Of course the animation, stories, music, and characters are great but also 'oh em gee it's not just a show for little kids! There's an episode about XYZ which is sooo deep!" Twitter/social media clout.
Forgive me for only having animation/cartoon autism and being a dumbass, but It literally took me until today to find out that the character was literally designed for Beyoncé, and not the demon that it represents.
That Beyoncé’s fans refer to themselves as the ‘bey hive’, pronounced as beehive; that’s why Viz chose Beelzebub as the demon Beyoncé was supposed to voice- it’s because she wanted to have the bug or bee aesthetic.
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(1/3) Indie animator Eagan Tilghman got called out by industry vets for using AI to voice 4 of the characters in his video. Grey DeLisle (Original voice of Daphne) even threatened to blacklist him over it.
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More comments from DeLisle
In case anyone is interested in watching the animation in question.
>>1883448>i spent $10 on this project, and that was to pay a tiktokker with a good shaggy impression to read all of his lines.
Are you serious? Im sure Grey is expensive af. Why should he get to use her voice for free. He was just lazy. He could have got cheapo imitation voice actors for all of the roles.
Besides, this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are people right now in actual animation companies planning how to use AI cloned voices to cheap out on paying voice actors. The VAs see that coming and are trying to cut it off now.
Grey went on live on Instagram to explain her case and she brought up a valid
point about just doing the easiest thing and ask people around for help. With such a neat concept, this animator could have gotten a lot of eyes on people wanting to take a step in for voice acting. It's not hard to find someone who will do things for the exposure.(sage your shit)
It makes me sad to think about how most people seem to remember the worst part of its social impact being that young women "wanted to be Ramona," essentially meaning they cut their hair short and dyed it, dressed a little alt, and that's it. No one ever seems bothered by the masses of men who believed themselves to already be Scott, and thought that that was a good thing, instead of a really, really bad thing.
They don't care that most of the supposed "Ramona-wannabes" were otherwise normal, or that the Ramona Flowers look is still based upon male fantasy. They just want an excuse to hate women.
If they had taken the this will make animation production more easier to do
than the OMG GUYIZ WE HAVE MADE SOMETHING NEW11!!
it would be less obnoxious. I actually like that they used their own models in this but for something that's been in production for 4 months they couldn't redraw those creepy ass mouths? I actually think this is just a new way to rotoscope lol although I'm excited to see the future results as long as they use their own model and not steal (which they did those crowds were clearly stolen)
this is well animated and i like the sound design(not the voices) but jesus christ i am so tired of talented artists wasting their talent catching clout>teehee what if two popular things, TOGETHER?!
so fucking boring. I couldnt bear to watch it till the end even tough it's well done because its such a snore fest
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this is the motherfucking ugliest most soulless garbage i have ever seen, it's like those cringe wannabe anime cartoons from the 00s that tried really, really hard to be hip with the kids who liked their amine without understand WHY kids at the time were switching over anime. I hate people saying it will be used as a tool and wont replace animators, yeah sure, just how 3D totally didnt kill 2D animation and gave birth to the motherfucking ugliest most homogeneous era of animated movies that took 20 years to kill and set back the notion animation is for kids 10 years back.
so many cool things being done in blender lately, i really wanna pick it up>>1883481
also, sorry for samefagging but i watched a few seconds of it and it's WORSE than the one done like a year ago. How? It annoys me that they got honest lukewarm critique from pros from the industry and they took none of it. At least hire someone to fix the hands jesus christ what a bunch of lazy bastards. Imagine putting all that effort to shit out something that would be considered too cheap and low quality even for video brinquedo.
It's less about the story, itself, and more about the tone and style. Things like obsession with pop culture references (particularly to video games and anime), juvenile humor, navel-gazing, faux self-awareness, overdramaticized interpretation of the mundane, and a seeming desire to be "subversive" or "progressive," while not actually standing for much at all. It's all very self-indulgent.Unrelated, but looking at when the movie was released is making me tinfoil about its impact on comics and cartoons as a whole, too, kek.
It was so dumb too, the entirety of the troons appearance was the parents saying something like "[something something] your sister-"
and it cuts to the troon dragging a dead person and saying in a gay man voice "Not if you know where to hide the bodies!" and that was what everyone was pissing and shitting and clapping in excitement for
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Holy uncanny valley, Batman
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So apparently this happened. I’m not sure what exactly happened 100% but people are losing support for lackadaisy and far fetched due to them defending a suppose TERF
From what I understand,
Vivziepop made a large donation to the Lackadaisy kickstarter on behalf of her studio (possibly to get a producer credit) and a member of the Lackadaisy crew called her out in a tweet for being performative and announcing it publicly without linking to the actual kickstarter. Viv’s fans threw a fit and went looking for dirt on the crew member, found that she’d liked a few tweets that were critical of trans inclusion in women’s sports, and started calling her transphobic. A few people on the Lackadaisy crew have come out in support of her.
Thanks for info!
I find this ironic since Viv used to draw a fanart of Blaire White but somehow the fandom would rather pick on the other side for doing something similar. Talk about double standards. I feel bad for the LD group for having to deal with this kind of bullshit.
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WTF is supposed to be happening here.
This whole concept was such a stretch. I mean, I get
the cotton candy aspect, “I’m what you want, not what you need”, and cotton candy is just pure sugar and it’ll never fill you up. I had expected some predictable but cohesive story where she like, has an ulterior motive and enchants everyone with her song, and they all eat her cursed cotton candy and can’t stop and it somehow benefits her, idk.
But what was her whole deal, anyway? She encourages her partygoers to drink and eat but she’s just…a good party host who makes sure everyone is doing okay? What? None of it really makes sense.
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What is going on with western comics these days.
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And of course she had to put her two cents on this whole ideal. Dude just stfu and ignore them. Act like a professional and grow a thicker skin!
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So apparently there’s suppose to be a document of all the horrible shit Viv and her crew had done but Erin Frost once again fucked it up and post the link to the document without the creators consent.
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One of the examples. Found this on the 4chan site but I don’t have the link
Really want the link to this, I can’t access her Twitter for some reason >>1887667
Lol No one from this studio comes across as professional, all of these discord caps are like watching jr high kids argue over a group project.>>1887668
I love watching these retards turn on each other
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I pulled this from 4chan looking for what someone already posted and found this
Viv can't draw fat characters and Kesha would never agree to play one. That's literally it. She twisted herself in knots trying to find a way to represent Gluttony with a skinny character, so now she has some kind of weird lava stomach and instead of a fly, she's a bee.
A retarded TiF tried to argue to me a while back that Gluttony has to be skinny because she temps people into her sin, and no one would be tempted by her if she were fat. As if "thicc" isn't a gigantic trend, and as if there aren't fat characters that are also sexy out there. Inb4 someone accuses me of being some kind of HAES retard: I'm against making characters fat for no reason (i.e., all the hideous fat Usagi redraws) but sometimes it's necessary, and a character based on Gluttony is a fantastic example.
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Imagine being a leader of a toxic fandom to the Point where people don’t even want your money. This is what happens if you don’t control your people. Now the team are gonna lose money for their project for not only for not calling out on Ze for their actions but also because of how they upset their queen.
>>1887900>but like, like, seeing like, it's just like, yknow like, yeahhh like, no but like, like… like??
Also kek at her dunking on white girls hating women as if she isn't white as fuck herself (but muh latino relatives) and doesn't include at least one misogynistic "joke" in everything she makes.>>1887960
I don't think that's what anon implied. She probably meant that Viv was a shut in and ended up glamorizing and obsessing over how the typical teenager fun and drama are depicted in older cartoon and tv shows (dancing, drinking, being lol rawr so random, corny love drama, ships), she probably thinks that's what they were like too (unaware that shit like that isn't really all that fun). Because she lacks meaningful experiences (which aren't necessarily about getting wasted at some boring party) she obsesses over what media told her were fun meaningful experiences.
The problem with Bee is that Viv didn't actually design a character based on gluttony. What she did, instead, was import her weird fixation with representing Kesha as a sparkledog with an hourglass figure (as seen >>1883995
here) into her show, and flimsily attached design elements relating to gluttony (Beelzebub = bee = honey) to an unrelated character concept. It's like when property merchandisers release theme sets for already-established characters— She wasn't conceptualized to be gluttony, let alone Beelzebub, but she was put in a costume to fit this month's themed set.
and you're right. The meaningful experiences I was actually thinking of were mostly things related to having irl friends and going outside. Idealizing parties where everyone gets wasted and fucks each other shows a lack of meaningful real life experiences, because people with that sort of experience generally think that those sorts of parties are boring, pathetic, and nasty.
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sage for OT, but I don't get why studios just don't stop giving MCU shows these gargantuan budgets instead? These TV shows don't need to have fucking Blockbuster budgets per goddamn episode. People will absolutely be fine with a character-driven Hank Pym prequel series with very modest sets, some simple looking shrinking effects, and only the occasional fight scene that can be done cheaper if it's done PRACTICALLY and not with a thousand things happening all at once.
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Lmao this is just a ripoff of Tales of Crestoria, which was already ripping off a bunch of other concepts.
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maybe. there are several legal documents in there including cease and desists + uncensored private information like addresses and phone numbers that REALLY
should not have been shared publically. Also including the fact that this was not ready to be released by whoever coordinated it, I'll just give a summary for now.
- lots of discord screenshots, many which have been shared already
- erin's legal documents, proof of employment
- attorney letters from viv's lawyer
- a powerpoint slide indicating some sort of coordination
- meeting notes with a legal member of TAG
- testimony from KenDraw, which is already public and floating around on the internet
- screenshots of recasting emails
- more employee testimonies
- summary of events and drama about the Instagram character account
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Tracy Butler’s statement on the donation drama.
Catching up on this thread and this is one of the funniest things I have ever read on this site. Severe mental illness isn't only a conservative thing, anon.
The amount of 'go back' over just about anything here these days and then qanon shit like this gets a bunch of omg so true. Sad.(infighting over a 1-month old post)
>>1887986>They didn't need it to be fully funded
It was already fully funded and didn't even have too much trouble getting funded in the first place. Unlike her shows that seem to be stuck in development hell a little too often.>>1889403
If she thought she could get a company to animate her deviantart tier ocs and lukewarm vague story without changing anything at all she's to blame for being naive and narcissistic. If she wants to make her own self-indulgent gay boy story she can do it herself, but companies need to make money and need a product people other than her will enjoy watching, and animators need designs that are actually fit for animation. Something always needs to be adjusted and changed, that's how it is, it's already a miracle that someone decided to pick up and actually complete a show with that trainwreck of a plot. Even she didn't know where to take the story beyond the pilot and her comics about Angel Dust being a sad sad gay boy, how could she expect a company to work with that and do exactly as she says (aka just show my darling character being sad idk)?
Oh how I wish I could re-upload it here.
But given that the contents weren't ready to be released (I'm pretty sure it would land people in lawsuits), I'd rather not jeopardize the efforts of whoever organized these files.
Erin goofed up big time by putting this on Twitter.(reddit spacing and baiting)
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Does anyone know if vivziepop had a gf before or even acted like she was interested in woman?
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Another day, another terminally online dweeb with no self awareness living up to the phrase "we are laughing AT YOU, not with you."
Hope this fed her ego for 8 hours, and at least we got the milk of chubby Viv with a bucket on her head
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Oh my I thought people where joking about her being chunky, girl needs to stay off Twitter and get out side
It's hilarious I'm sure vivziepop thinks of her as angledust but really she is more like Niffty
With her Obsession with men
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No wonder she hates owl house dana is like a more functional version of her
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In other fujo animator news, an ex animator for gravity falls and owl house is basically making a BL jekyll & Hyde comic made a statement about how profound it is kek
Every animator is either scrote coomer, a self inserter or a fujo coomer. The natural consequences of animators growing up on deviantart and live journal
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Of course dana hypes it up
tbf the owl house was shit>>1890634
sabrina is so annoying but I kind of feel bad for her, she keeps getting development deals but she’s yet another person that thinks “representation” is more important than telling a good story so it’s not surprising.
What is it with spicy straight women and wildly misinterpreting classic horror stories? They did this shit with Frankenstein and Re-Animator, too. Trying to frame Henry Jekyll, Victor Frankenstein, and Herbert West as misunderstood gay scientists who "just wanted to find their true selves" is blatantly retarded. Ironically, by sympathizing with the villains of these stories they're acknowledging that they're morally bankrupt, self-indulgent degenerates with a general hate for themselves and others (Jekyll), and
that they're arrogant transhumanists with no regard for the safety or well-being of anything or anyone, including themselves, when their egos are on the line (Frankenstein, West).
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He's got that Jervis Tetch phenotype. It reminds me of poorly drawn renditions of APH England from 2013 tumblr ask blogs.
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I hate that shit Frankenstein specifically, the whole thing is about men shouldn't defy nature and the sanctity of life.
Libfems and queer theorists wrongfully assume that the seediest parts of society are the most righteous ones simply because marginalized people happened to be involved in those parts of society, completely forgetting that marginalized people didn't have anywhere else to turn to by nature of their oppression. This is similar to how they shout "sex work is work," conveniently leaving out the fact that most "sex workers" are impoverished or trafficked women who have no other choice but to sell their bodies to survive. They believe that symptoms of oppression are actually good by nature of their relation to the oppressed, assuming that these symptoms were the result of freely made choices and a healthy subversive "culture" rather than the result of horrific persecution.
The primary mistake being made is that they look at gay history and see hookup culture, public sex, prostitution, and kink, and they assume this was all the result of marginalized people with nothing left to lose "living authentically," rather than living restrictively and self-destructing out of anguish in response to overwhelming persecution and stigma. As a result, they believe that the degeneracy and hedonism erroneously associated with gay people are also
wrongfully condemned inborn and harmless traits, just like homosexuality is, despite the fact that that's blatantly untrue. Degeneracy and hedonism are choices people make that are inherently harmful to either themselves, others, or both, whereas homosexuality isn't a choice and harms no one (when removed from the context of the persecution of SSA people).
This is very normal for development deals, many top animation directors working since the 90s have huge lists of cancelled development projects and they still continue pitching shows and make animatics and comics to grow new ideas.
It's so unprofessional to post about how many of your deals are cancelled because it hurts your future optics (it also makes you look ungrateful since so many artists never get into the position of even having an exec to foster their projects). Studios are starting to get wise to these types of creators, twitter/Tumblr people who leave a trail of destruction in their path due to no experience and bad optics from vent posting every thought and closed door info directly to their following. And these creators are also 1 oopsie-like or picture away from being cancelled and becoming a liability.
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With our powers combined, we can manifest this attempt's cancelation as well.
Why were you expecting that? The quote in >>1890634
made it pretty clear that this was a tumblr fujo's rendition of the material. The way this was stylized is super predictable.
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Fionna and Cake full intro released. Made into a webm because can't get my posts to actual post with embedding the youtube videos
Marceline and Marshal Lee never looked like normal humans let alone white ones the way finn did. They were just carbon copies of their dad. We thought finn was the only human until ice King and marceline's origin got revealed>>1891543
It is canon
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vivzie looking fine these days
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I watched the first episode, and I really liked it. It's more 'mature' in the sense that people use swear words in a normal way, not in an edgy tryhard way like most adult cartoons where cartoon swearing is the joke. I like the characters; they definitely felt like their own instead of just reverse gendered versions of the original.
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nonna you didn’t post the best one
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They drew Hunter Wizard super hot and then had a fucking frog-voiced TiF voice him. Casting directors are literally just butchering their own projects for the sake of TRA brownie points at this point. Fuck it, just have Danny DeVito voice Fionna, since apparently the way the final product sounds doesn't matter anymore.
No? He's just human now. Marcy's human mom was ambiguously brown, so it stands to reason that she'd be nonwhite if she were human.>>1891549
Hunson Abadeer is a blue demon, therefore his daughter was born blueish grey. Make him human, and Marceline/Marshall Lee could theoretically be half any race. Stop race-baiting.
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Basically, it was about a lesbian knight who saves a princess from an arrogant prince. It was pitched as a "butch queer re-imagining of fairy take chivalry." The issue lies in the fact that these people never create or are inspired by anything. Instead, they appropriate ideas from established authors, add in queer and "POC
" representation, and believe they deserve more fame than the original works simply because there works are more diverse and inclusive. However, they fundamentally lack understanding of what made the original properties successful in the first place. For example, Dana Terrace attempted this with Owl House, which ended up taking elements from Harry Potter and whatever anime she watched, but she never grasped the essence of what made those things truly great and ended up creating a show with no audience, ultimately leading to an unceremonious ending.
MY BOY, ABRACADANIEL>>1891640
Unironically would love if Danny did a voice.
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"I just watched the second episode. It wasn't as good as the first one, but it was still nice to see Simon again. I noticed that a lot of people had mixed opinions about Finn's characterisation, but I personally liked how he grew up. Overall, these two episodes convinced me to watch the rest of the series.
>>1891647>It was pitched as a "butch queer re-imagining of fairy take chivalry." The issue lies in the fact that these people never create or are inspired by anything>add in queer and "POC" representation, and believe they deserve more fame than the original works simply because there works are more diverse and inclusive.
I don't know if it's millennial writing, tumblr writing or whatever but this type of "look at me i'm gay! uwu" character is already stale and ran down as fuck. Do tumblr graduates have no other character design capabilities than that? >>1891680
It's not interesting or entertaining but I guess you can call anyone who finds it boring a heckin' homophobe for not being interested in a "qweer reimagining" of something. It's not a good series because of any good writing capabilities and theming but it's QWEER so it's automatically good. We can't ever have a good series that's well written with good gay characters apparently, 90% of the time it's some tard's cringe tumblr reimagining. I'm so tired. Same as >>1890636
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The only series that I think successfully did "queer" and POC
" representation in a classic setting, which was actually well-received and well-written, was Elfquest. In that world, it felt normal, and the gay characters were portrayed as characters first. The gay and lesbian characters were not fetishized or branded solely for their sexuality. Additionally, the main relationship that would define the series was an interracial one. However, it was unfortunate that the last arc of the series was made by a pedophile, forever tarnishing the series.
I'm happy I'm not the only one that liked how adult Finn was characterized! He was never shown to be all that much of an introspective character and was several times shown to deal with most of his problems by throwing himself headfirst into danger to avoid thinking about them or find other means of escapism, so it makes sense that he would continue to be just as dense and believe adventure would solve Simon's problems.
On the topic of Simon, I really enjoyed getting a whole episode of how much he feels like a misfit in this new world. I was really wondering with how he would cope living in the whimsy world of Ooo.
I honestly quite liked both episode 1 and 2, but I don't know if it's because I'm just happy to see more AT or if it's because I in general enjoy different takes and angles of franchises I like.
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Copyright registrations for episode titles of the first season of Hazbin:https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Hazbin&Search_Code=TALL&PID=ujcNoJiZ50X3tE_sfhe2GBoo1Zi-3s&SEQ=20230901164404&CNT=25&HIST=1
8 episodes, Spindlehorse is absent from all the copyright reg info. Those rumors about a shortened season and SH losing rights to the IP might be true after all.
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Looks like someone fucked up. F to the talent agent about to be fired over this kek
Late to the party but i'm tired of anons here treating loli and shota like it's nothing.>b-but it's not real cp
Sure, it's bad to compare victims
of cp to drawings, but you do realize degens who draw this shit are just ticking timebombs waiting for a chance to touch real kids right?>>1889950>puppeteering is never funny
Except in the new DHMIS show
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>>1892210>it was unfortunate that the last arc of the series was made by a pedophile, forever tarnishing the series.
I feel I should explain this, sage for technically not being OT but super old-milk, So Elfquest was created by Wendy and Richard Pini,(with Wendy being the primary creative influence). The comics gained immense popularity in the 70s and 80s. There were even discussions about adapting the series into an animated format, but those plans fell through due to Wendy's insistence on including sex scenes, which she felt were crucial to the story, she also wanted the male characters to remain "pretty." For a considerable period, the series enjoyed success but eventually started to decline, with its peak followed by a slight dip in popularity. To continue the storyline, an indie comic artist and publisher named Barry Blair was put in charge of a sequel series. However, this sequel storyline was not well-received, mainly due to the art style and the story itself.
Now In Elfquest, the male characters were always depicted as attractive, which helped attract a large female audience. However, Barry Blair took this to an extreme by drawing overly youthful and adolescent-looking boys for even the adult male characters. Moreover, the female characters suffered from "same-face/same-body syndrome," where they all looked similar intentionally. The male characters also exhibited unusual passivity in this particular storyline and were wearing bizarre outfits that had never been seen in the series(stuff like picrel)
Turns out Barry Blair had a history of drawing porn involving young boys being tortured or sexually abused by creepy older men or dominatrix-esque women. I want to give Richard and Wendy the benefit of the doubt and assume that they were unaware of Barry's actual pedophilic tendencies. But further details regarding Barry Blair's actions and his attraction with young boys can be would come to the general public with comic artist Dave Cooper's work, "Dan & Larry In Don't Do That." It was also revealed that Barry had employed several teenage boys, and his actions were apparently an open secret, he died in 2010 of a a brain aneurysm.
This article goes into his history and controversies https://sewermutant.com/on-barry-blair-founder-of-aircel-comics-13b688d7da53
Thank you nonnie
, I was actually really hoping someone would explain lol>>1893150
Lmao filename made me kek. This is such a big fuck up to be dropped publicly like this
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Has anyone seen this cartoon, is it good?
That guy in the article is way to much focused on the hOmOpHoBiA that the poor poor Barry Blair got.
Sorry I saw his work, that guy was creepy and a pedo, everyone can see it if you take a small look on his work.
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I watched it, not as bad as the mafia episode, but this one was just confusing. >there were too many dildo and cock jokes and gags>the romance was just badly depicted and cliche, like fan-fiction of a gay male relationship>Ozzy giving a lecture about how lust should never be enforced is just utterly dumb. >weird radical politics she was implying with the imps and blue blood demons
It's been a topic for a long time that a lot of lgbt people hate how every gay adult cartoon boils down to dildos and dicks. Funny how she's all for rep but has no idea how to write a gay character. This goes for lesbian and trans relationships. I hope people don't look at this shows writing and think "Wow, this is great rep"
I prefer Rebecca Sugar's writing at this point.
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there's an entire bacha bazi scene in that comic, picture is for ants because no one needs see the details
Go back, especially if >>1893441
is you. Rebecca Sugar is a woman.
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He wasn't even gay, he was bisexual at best considering half his work is fetish porn of sphere-boobs women and the other half is fetish porn of little boys with bimbo faces.
Male sexuality is predictable meme.
It is funny to see that he probably liked adult men too at some point, but repressed it to not seem too gay (picrel, wtf is this 70s american yaoi?).
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It's cute he did it because of, or was inspired by his wife's interest I guess.