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Alice Glass is a 34-year-old singer/songwriter formerly of Crystal Castles, now tries to have a solo career with her own unsuccessful tumblr-esque uwu traumacore Nicole Dollanganger aesthetic music. She is constantly picking fights with other artists online and accuses everyone of copying her.
>gained notoriety as the frontwoman of the band Crystal Castles, which was pretty popular among the underground alternative/electronic/emo scene around 2006-2013>in 2014, she left CC after accusing her former bandmate Ethan Kath of sexual abuse. since then, she has tried to launch her own career, but has almost nothing to show for it>releases very little music and is mostly known for her internet presence and aesthetics>her debut album came out in 2022 after 8 years of no music, featuring 3edgy5me badly produced traumacore songs and tumblr tier photoshoots, "creepy" guro bloody doll aesthetics with fake guts and cockroaches>openly inspired by tumblr traumacore, called her tour "trauma bond" and talks about wanting her abuse to be reclaimed into an aesthetic in interviews>started hanging out with the hyperpop crowd: Dorian Electra, Lulo from heav3n, sophie, various drag queens and promptly abandoned her original punky style and adopted her hyperpop friends aesthetics/sound>horribly shoops pictures >>1469523>sperged on twitter about MGK copying underground artists and got media attention to promote her album>picked one-sided fight with grimes in 2015 and accused grimes of stealing Kill v Maim from an idea alice came up with then brought up same copying allegations in 2022 >>1661735 >>1661442>posted an email of grimes telling her off for saying she copied her and then on the very next story went like "grimes didn't copy me and i apologize". thinks she is going to be suicided by elon musk >>1661543>tried to cancel mark jacobs for not giving 25,000 dollars to her friend Lulo because Lulo's dad has cancer and tried to guilt trip her teenage fans into donating>poverty larps, says she gets no royalty money from CC but lives in a multimillion dollar mansion in LA, wears designer outfits worth thousands of dollars>claims Grimes is picking on Alice because she's younger (they are both born in 88 and Grimes is 5 months older than Alice) >>1662018>has been sperging for years about Sadie Pin of crim3s copying her, Alice and Sadie have had beef since Alice's old bandmate Ethan from CC stole some equipment from a show they were playing with crim3s and sadie got pissed and said Ethan shit his pants at the show >>1661615 >>1661751 >>1661705Associated people:
Jupiter Keyes / Jupiter Io
>Alice's boyfriend of 10 years>used to be in the band HEALTH but dropped out to manage Alice's career full-time, now stringing along >weird controlling tard wrangler who proofreads most of Alice's posts and manages her socials>posts either coomer shit or edgy #deep tumblr quotes on twitter>namesearches Alice all day>alice is currently on tour without him hence the recent sperging from herEthan Kath
>alice's former bandmate/ex-boyfriend/abuser>his tardery is thought to be the reason Alice is so maladjusted now >has numerous grooming allegations from Alice & other girls who were former fans, he sued Alice for defamation and lost >attention-seeking weirdo>disavows his past and claims to be 100% into whatever new trend he hops on>when alice left CC he chose a new singer, Margo Hamman (Edith Frances) because she looks like Alice, essentially hiring a replacement >married a 15-year-old alice glass cosplayer (Au Vyst) he met on Tumblr, she left him and wrote a post about how he is obsessed with girls that look like Alice>Au Vyst also claimed that Ethan used to be a mod on the CC fan subreddit under the name u/brackets_html, that he posted obsessively about Alice and Jupiter while pretending to be a fan of himself, relevant accounts are deleted now but there are posts on r/crystalcastles talking about it>now faded into obscurity and hiding out in Canada somewhere to escape his pasthttps://twitter.com/ALICEGLASShttps://www.instagram.com/_alice_glasshttps://twitter.com/Jupiter_io_https://exposingethankath.tumblr.com No. 1662302
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Alice’s recent posts about grimes
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i forgot to mention the Alice Gas saga in the OP lol
>fan of Alice Glass makes a bad parody hyperpop music project, calls himself Alice Gas
>Alice hypes him up at first and even greenlit and released a remix Alice Gas did of Alice Glass's song "Legend" last year
>last month suddenly she gets mad at her name being copied and spergs out and posts this on ig as well as numerous subtweets
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>>1662340okay, i found my caps of the alt!
>>1662344i agree, i made alice the focus of the thread because she was primarily being discussed in the grimes thread and multiple anons requested a thread on her. it is sad and i don’t fully blame her bc i feel like she never developed much emotional maturity, but it doesn’t seem unfair to talk about her drama as she is still a public figure
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ethan’s reddit sperging in his own defense
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i wish i had more screenshots bc the account literally had hundreds of posts and was basically a meme in the cc fandom once it got exposed, it got nuked pretty fast
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upon the account getting outed Ethan was deleting a large portion of the posts in his own subreddit and then deleted his account
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here is Au Vyst’s post (1/3)
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another post from Au
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ethan posted Alice’s new songs on reddit too like a creep
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and kek
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>>1662381he literally doesn’t shower according to Au
No. 1662389
>>1662344>>1662350that squiggly makeup photo
>>1662308 is pretty obvious "bipolar girl who got raped" sorry idk how else to describe it. she's scribbling on her face and raving and it's sad that no one around her seems to care enough to help. in canada if you want help, your friends can easily get you into camh, or refer you to a pay what you can therapist, or even the walk in clinic can put you on a list for psych meds. you might have to wait a few weeks on that last option, but it's there and not super expensive if you have her income. if you're homeless and unemployed it's different obviously.
No. 1662393
>>1662391i didn't mean like what you're asking for, i meant like quick triage camh or pay what you can therapists. i live in downtown toronto and we recently had to get one of my friends help with some kind of manic disorder, and she isn't broke but has less money than alice.
alice has the money for a real ass therpaist like you're talking about, but if she lived in a big city in ontario she could 100% walk into camh emergency triage, go to one of the pwyc therapies, or get a definitely less than 6 month wait from her GP. I have done all this stuff and recently had to help another girl get help too. it's not super easy, but it's not as hard as you make it sound, if you have decent income and a place to live already.
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>>1662388Ahahaha! I can see it! He’s obviously got hair but his hairline is severely receding, you can see he brushes forward his greasy fringe from the top of his head.
I haven’t seen a photo of this motherfucker since about 2008 so was pretty floored by how gross he looks now. You really do age externally to be the person you are deep down.
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You can really tell that Ethan wrote all the lyrics when you see that 85 IQ grammar.
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>>1662420he has those porn addict eyes
>>1662388>>1662398EEEEWWWWWWWWWW
FUCKING EWWWWWWWWWWWWW
WHY
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>>1662298This summary is perfect and but one thing that's off is the part about the horrible shoops like this one here
>>1469523That's actually an "art piece" by this guy on instagram called Lucas David. He's photoshops and draws artists into looking weirdly skinny and strung out, he was really popular in the early 2010's and drew a lot of artists like Lana Del Rey, Sky Ferreira, Kurt Cobain, Courtney Love, Nicole Dollanganger, David Bowie, Taylor Momsen, Lorde, Marilyn Manson, etc. Funnily enough though Alice is now starting shit with him too even though his drawings and shoops of her helped her gain popularity on sites likes tumblr around 2012 but I guess she's just lashing out at everyone now lol.
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It’s such a shame what Alice is now. She used to be so cool and didn’t really try. Her style was literally just thrifted stuff or her deceased grandmothers leftovers. She was mysterious and effortless. Now, she overshares and her style is just Amazon tier leather babydoll cringe shit. I feel her regression to a baby voice is due to the abuse she endured, but possibly everything else since she wasn’t really allowed to express herself or have a chance to enjoy her adolescence. That being said, she should have stopped making music and try to process all her trauma first and then maybe go back into creating. Her music now sounds so derivative and unoriginal. Aesthetic now is so bad and dated circa 2012.
I feel for her but she needs to stop going manic on social media. She needs to put her phone down and focus on herself and heal. It’s like she’s a caricature of herself now.
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>>1662344This. Alice is a fucking mess but she was publicly groomed & abused since childhood, of course she has issues now and doesn’t trust anyone in the music industry. Ethan is by far the bigger attention-whoring pedo cow and I hate how his
victims always get scrutinized more than he does.
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>>1662717yeah OP here and I regret making alice the thread focus, i figured people were more interested in her and i don’t think having a thread to discuss alice (so it doesn’t clog up grimes/other threads) is unfair, but it’s true she’s clearly just mentally ill and not malicious/not quite a cow, at least not on the level of the associated scrotes. yeah i think it’d be better if we treat this thread as Ethan & Jupiter general and also a place to discuss alice/CC/that former scene as well.
i’ll dump more stuff from the CC drama so this isn’t a pointless post. here’s the text of a post from Au (ethan’s ex) talking about Margo, “Edith Frances” - the girl Ethan hired to replace Alice in CC (1/3)
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Alice vs Margo - Ethan literally hired her to skinwalk her
like Titanic Sinclair but more disgusting
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I think Alice is still milky, most of her unhinged posts come up when she has too much time alone, such as
>>1662322 sucking up to this troon and taking it back because he's getting a little more popular than she is.
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>>1662716Trevor is a major cow. The dude is in his 50s and claims that his art isn’t pedophilic yet contradicts himself in interviews and says that his art is about sex. He is a weirdo that has capitalized on the whole uwu Japanese creepy kawaii aesthetic to continue creating art of sexualizing little children. Even in an interview he states that he is attracted to adults that look like young children? Aka: you find kids attractive. Overall gross person.
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>>1662740Alice is milky too, these were photoshopped by a fan she hired and Alice liked the posts knowing they were fake.
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Imagine being with this scrote for 10 years and he dresses you up like the ultimate handmaiden in threadpic
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Cow crossover
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>>1662760Trevor Brown is more than a cow, he is a depraved pedophilic monster who draws little girls and babies in sexual positions, in bondage gear, mutilated and cut open. Some of his "art" features drawings of little girls completely nude from the waist down. He is a sick man who has probably committed sex offenses and if not I'm sure he will someday. His fetishes are Dahmer-esque and it saddens me to no end that he has a devoted following of like minded scrotes who take pleasure in the same sadistic fetishes. This image of his "art" isn't even close to the worst of it, spoilered because it's sad and disturbing.
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>>1662779Eww. The top row right pic is GG/Plaaastic. he drew her like that already after she died.
As far as i know he drew a lot of those insta cows back in a day, including Holli Heroingranola. which shows how deeply into following this scene he was bc Holli was an orbiter of Lilith/soundclout cows, not a famous person herself.
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>>1662812she admits here that jupiter proofreads her rants usually (cough censors her)
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>>1662735i think making a new thread and letting this one die might be a good move, this is just sad and there’s no real milk, i dont think she deserves to be made fun of even though it is embarrassing to act like this, make it about ethan/CC orbiters generally or something
>>1662812why do people say stuff like this lol? you dont just go to therapy one time and all of a sudden be like “oh im fixed now ill stop wilding out on instagram”, its a child’s understanding of mental health, shit can take months or years to have any effect and it just might never work depending on the situ
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>>1662812someone mentioned she just went on tour without jupiter so that's why we are just now seeing her rant. picrel from when she was on tour with zola jesus and he restricted her access to fans. there is something deeper here
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>>1662821putting a trendy twist on it. in the hipster scene alice came from, accurately fitting in was more important than musical quality. many bands got better-sounding once the fake-glasses-mustache-workboots-and-sundress era was over. there were guys who had the right clothes/connections/persona who did something the band needed to get popular during a certain time, but who actually didn't help the music.
kek
i'm bitter that i used to be laughed at for this opinion, but also happy to see bands i respected get better. No. 1662935
>>1662760"sexually ripe" yeah just because your pedo handmaiden wife agreed doesn't mean this is the voice of the people. Men get away with such levels of personal revulsion and it's nbd
>>1662831For lolcow she's getting an easy time, all the related milk that spirals out from her makes her being the thread subject logical.
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>>1662777It looks like Lucas David was right to call Alice a hypocrite because I always see her writing on her twitter to "make sure your friends aren't rapists" and she has been hanging out with known rapists for the entire time she's been saying that. I guess she doesn't care about her friends rape
victims huh
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>>1662942this is exactly why Alice has cow tendencies. I’m not doubting she’s a
victim herself but at some point she needs to take accountability. her victimhood is something she makes into a brand and tweets about to look woke. she’s not wrong that you should check your friends and make sure there aren’t bad people or abusers in your social circle, but she can’t say that while being completely hypocritical in her personal life, selectively choosing to support people with abuse allegations. besides lillotus, she toured with marilyn manson, collabed wirh ghostemane who defended his rapist bestie pouya, she follows nicole dollanganger and ethel cain. she would condemn anyone else for the same thing but it’s different for her friends?
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>>1662749>most of her unhinged posts come up when she has too much time alonei don't know if there's a name for this, but i have met several bipolar girls who throw the words "
toxic" and "
abusive" around towards other women a lot who start creating drama when they've been alone too long. they excuse it by saying "it was a mixed episode" or something and idgi. i think it's like using mental illness as a crutch instead of working on strategies to make yourself feel better
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>>1663013What happened to Luna and TND is sad too, but two truths can exist simultaneously, that and Alice went overboard with the filler. She's had five more years of work done, picrel is her now, I think she got her nose done too.
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>>1663008Exactly that. Alice pretty much came forward about her experience of being in CC when she started promoting her solo work. I get the fact it takes time to realize what you've been through, but this seems more like using her
victim status as part of her promo shit, not her venting about how much of a piece of shit Claudio is.
Claudio's attempts to try to dig at Alice while she came forward about the abuse she endured were hilarious in itself as well. I need to find the source, but I remember him trying to say none of the CC fans liked her, they only liked the instrumentals.
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>>1662770gross. serving alternative Charles Manson realness
>>1662664ohh yeah i remember that. Trevor Brown's drawing of a bruised Madonna (very creepy considering his gore fetish) CC stole and used as their album cover without permission. I remember back when it happened Trevor was pretty mad and called them assholes on his art website and CC apologized but didn't change the cover?
weirdly Alice recreated the bruised madonna picture for the cover of her new traumacore Nicole dollanganger ripoff album, even tweeted the original drawing and her album cover side by side. probably without the artist's permission again. she probably sees it as reclaiming her trauma from CC, but imo it's beyond tacky to use a known gore fetishist paraphiliac's drawing of a battered woman as aesthetic inspiration for your album cover two times (without permission, so basically art theft again)
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>>1663377Nta but I'm very glad to hear he's old and I'm hoping he dies soon
>>1663164Alice should take her own advice and talk about what a disgusting piece of shit the artist of the original image is, instead of continuously aligning herself with pedophiles and rapists.
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>>1663529Nothing too milky, she was a model before joining the band. Before joining, she looked pretty normie, it wasn’t until after that Ethan influenced her looks and tried to make her skin walk Alice by being all alt and dying her hair etc. there’s actually a photo of her leaving a bar in the background while Alice in in frame, years before joining the band.
The whole couch surfing story that both Ethan and Edith claim to be true, is not. He was actively looking for a new vocalist while Alice was still in the band.
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Alice fans are noticing that her new song Lips Apart sounds like a total ripoff of a Tatu song
I listened to both and I hear it, especially at the opening they sound really similar. Wtf, obviously CC was mostly alice, ethan struggled to recreate her originality and the album he made without her was ass. so how did alice go from clearly being the creative driving force in CC to her entire career rn being derivative with stolen artwork, copying the hyperpop aesthetic, copying tatu… its sad, where did the talent go?
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i went through her tags and i think the comments about her wearing rich shit while begging for her troon friend's gofundme got to her because i saw this comment she made recently + some other comment of her being insecure about a pic. she's striking me as someone who looks up her name constantly to see what people are saying
>>1663685kek wtf they sound so alike. honestly i'm getting tired of her trying to profit off of her trauma and the wking in this thread. its been 10 years of healing at what point is she supposed to take responsibility for her actions? never?
No. 1663881
>>1663604you're right, I'm retarded.
I only stumbled over CC because of the grimes talk on lolcow, got interested because people claimed that grimes ripped off alice. didn't take long and I learned what a monster ethan is and mostly cared about people exposing him online.
I couldn't find out what that asshole is currently doing, Crystal Castles seems to be M.I.A for a long time by now. no news or gossip whatsoever, wtf? Disappointed he doesn't seem to be facing any charges.
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>>1663859
Well then she loves tatu and her scrote is her lapdog that she forced to rip off tatu on her behalf kek
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>>1663881according to his ex, he's living in a $1mil house in canada with edith. i've also heard that he owns? bambi's in toronto.
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and here's for the
nonnie that was talking about plastic surgery. alice isn't some young adult anymore so obviously she's going to look different and age but she looks so off now. I think she did something to her cheekbones and definitely lips of course. I feel like the anon here
>>1663038 is right about her nose as well because it looks weird, like definitely smaller but that could be because of the filler in the rest of her face puffing her up
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>>1663901oops, meant to post the full version of this.
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>>1663903more statements from au vyst while i'm at it. sorry if i post anything that's already in the thread.
No. 1663919
>>1663879>honestly i'm getting tired of her trying to profit off of her trauma and the wking in this threadThis. It might seem cold of me to say but there's a fine line between using music as a coping mechanism for her trauma and straight up glamorizing/romanticising it. I can't even listen to some of her stuff despite quite liking a lot of her music because the themes of sexual violence disturb me and leave me with an icky feeling afterward. I know she's probably using the lyrics to vent but she sings it with the same gross satisfaction as a sadist. Her new song especially "lips apart, is this the way it hurts" it's like very graphic description of SA, she's not talking about lips on a mouth. She's literally singing about a rape with this soft voice and it's just too gross for me to listen too, not sure who's she catering too with this stuff but it seems like most SA
victims would just be too disturbed by this. I don't know maybe I'm way out of line here that's just my take as an old fan.
No. 1663932
>>1663919>singing about a rape with this soft voice this is the thing that has always made alice's music so gross and unlistenable to me. the nicole comparison has been made a lot upthread and she even follows nicole too. there's a line between using music to cope with the pain sa causes and romanticizing it while singing graphically about it in a cutesy tone. also how gross to use a melody stolen from tatu (tatu's producer, ivan shapalov abused the 14-year-old singers) for her glamorized uwu cute rapey song
>>1663912>>1663901>>1663909thank you for all of the caps
nonnie! this is horrific, i'm glad auvyst is away from ethan now. and it makes sense that the drummer is just as bad, he toured with cc for years must have witnessed so much of ethan's
abusive behavior behind the scenes. chris has to have no morals to have stuck by ethan for so long. it seems like all of the scrotes in this scene attract damaged women and wreak havoc in their lives.
i do wonder about edith. how is she doing? how old is she? auvyst said edith lies about her age (edith said she was 21 when she joined cc) so would that mean she is actually younger? given ethan's obsession with picking up and moving in young highschool girls that is extremely concerning. i know edith is a bad person too for willingly skinwalking alice, but living with ethan must be an absolute mindfuck and i hope she can get out of that situation one day.
No. 1663935
>>1663919I know not all
victims are the same but that is one of the reasons i'm not a fan anymore. I feel like it's inconsiderate to keep
triggering her fans, I suffered from a similar relationship and my therapy taught me to make peace with it and move forward, talking about "get the fuck off of me" and reliving violent rapes in multiple songs and writing from the antagonists perspective just seems inauthentic to me and I'm sorry that's insensitive but it's just my opinion, i removed all her songs from my playlists because they would send me into ptsd episodes.
No. 1664042
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>>1663932reposting this. deleted it to reword myself and kinda forgot
No. 1664075
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>>1664068samefagging picrel is edith
No. 1664103
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>>1663901nta but a $1mil house in canada looks like picrel if you're an hour and a half away from downtown core toronto. this place is a ripoff for reasons i won't get into atm
bambie's is owned by jackie vezeau as of 2022 but he could be an investor or co owner? i don't want to give him any "mean internet hater lie" ammo so will try to find tha facts.
No. 1664109
>>1663935i agree anon. she's clinging to a shit past that she'd be happier letting go of. it sucks ass that ethan messed up her mind and maybe she can't think of another way to exist, but that's why you contact a doctor or someone who can help you to learn. it's not good for her or anyone she's trying to perform/be a role model to if her whole identity is "rape
victim".
No. 1664111
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>>1663902i think she gained some weight after ethan stopped controlling her eating and tried to compensate for losing some definition in her face. the alexander wang pics from ~2015 look like buccal fat removal to me, more recently it seems like maybe cheekbone implants too or just tons of filler. sucks bc i think she could have aged really well naturally. her nose looks the same to me though tbh
>>1663919haven't even tried to listen to the new song bc the title is just too fucking creepy
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No. 1664474
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>>1664406i've always thought she wrote alice practice, xxzxcuzx me, love & caring, through the hosiery, & black panther at the very least. courtship dating & tell me what to swallow seem to be more of a collaboration. probably just autistic speculation on my part.
anyway, i remember way back in the days of the CC forum, ethan actually posted some of the lyrics alice had written in her personal journal. can't remember which songs specifically, but i feel like most of the songs i mentioned were genuinely written by her. its also worth mentioning that ethan included some of these journal entries in his litigation against her. the scan is shit quality, but i'll include the context in picrel. i wish i had archives of him posting alice's journal entries under his andy account on the cc forum, it was genuinely creepy even then.
imo its easy to see where alice's participation in lyrics drops off. look at the songs i mentioned on CCI vs what she's released now; they all have a similar style. the lyrics for II/III/amnesty also have a similar pattern. i'm sure she contributed, but the difference between writing styles is pretty obvious. whether it's due to alice's lack of participation because of abuse/depression/drugs, or ethan's overwhelmingly controlling behavior? i can't say one way or another, personally. it's always been very messy.
No. 1664484
>>1664474if you want to explain why you think each person wrote what, i'm interested! even if it is just tinfoiling i find it interesting lol
the journal thing is incredibly creepy. what a freak snooping through her stuff, holding onto it for years to use it against her. i wish ethan's old forum posts were still up, sounds very milky and enlightening to his weird behavior.
No. 1664645
>>1664641she should've just stopped making music after CC. this just goes to prove that she stayed in the
abusive relationship because she profited from it. she was most likely afraid of people realizing she isn't capable of doing what CC did alone, which is totally ok. no one expected her to be except herself i guess. but her music and aesthetics suck so bad and that alone probably gratified claudio a lot
No. 1664759
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alice and her scrote look like they’re trying to recreate CC vibes with the poses or something. he grosses me out so much
No. 1664766
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>>1664759Why does this creep always make that cringe le epik darkn3ss face? It’s so try hard and embarrassing. Reeks of troubled teen girl steals mom’s digital camera and takes emo pics to post on MySpace later, but like you’re a grown ass man well into your 30s.
No. 1664902
>>1664894>>1664641i think trauamacore and tumblr-type women constantly talking about their "dark pasts" are actually stopping women who need help, from getting help.
i know that when i heard stories from girls like this, or saw how they center it in their art like it's their whole identity, it made me feel like i had been through nothing and didn't need to go to rehab or talk to someone about issues with men. they talk up their experience a lot and i think it's making a lot of women feel guilty, like their own problems aren't "bad enough".
especially because women like alice will silence you or get defensive and need to have the worst problems in the room, and because women don't like to argue with each other your friend group will reinforce that. then you feel like you're faking because this woman has already taken the spot of "most drunk, drug addicted, most raped trauma princess" in the group.
sorry if sperg, but i think this fetishization creates competition between cluster b girls who then silence other women they should be supporting.
No. 1664915
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>>1663068You're probably thinking of pic related, which was his statement upon the release of "Frail".
However, two years after that, Alice claimed: "He berated me and yelled at me, telling me that I was a joke, that all the people that came to our shows were only interested in his instrumentals and that I was ruining the band." Which was in her official statement here:
https://alice-glass.com/cc/ https://archive.ph/9wH1U No. 1664937
Links to the relevant court documents I could find atm, that is Palmieri v Osborn.
https://www.docdroid.net/UPFnt75/1733847723-pdfhttps://archive.ph/YmmiXI could not find a copy of CLAUDIO PALMIERI VS STEPHEN BERNARD, ET AL. , which I believe to be Ethan's defamation case.
No. 1664943
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>>1664937damn, i didn’t realize the entire lawsuit was public. it’s so disgusting how ethan tried to use alice’s drug addiction as proof that she isn’t credible, when it’s obvious why she would have been depending on drugs.
No. 1664945
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>ethan using flirty emails from alice as proof that he didn’t mistreat her
imagine the lawyer walking up to the judge and being like "ok sir here's exhibit C, a screenshot of margaret saying 'hey baby i miss your cock like crazy'"
No. 1664968
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>ethan alleges that alice hired a fan to post about ethan and jupiter sperged at the fan for not doing it is there any proof of this?
>>1662761 mentions alice hiring fans to photoshop pictures of edith too
if she is actually paying or influencing stans that’s really sketchy honestly. but ethan is a piece of shit and he could have just made this up, i wouldn’t put it past him. though i won’t take anything ethan says seriously without proof, i have a strange feeling about the entire situation. i don’t doubt alice told the truth about ethan, but the way it almost seems like she uses her trauma to craft a narrative or sell an image to her stans is so weird and shady.
>>1664902 you nailed it, alice clearly loves being the most victimized girl, treats it like a contest she won or a badge of honor. i mean, there are shirts in her merch store that say “trauma queen” in a cute font with a drawing of a little girl on them lol what
No. 1664974
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>>1664968>ethan alleges that alice hired a fan to post about ethan and jupiter sperged at the fan for not doing it i'm fairly certain they're talking about ari here? she's posted a lot of crazy shit about the whole situation. i'll drop what i have.
No. 1664978
>>1664968that sounds made up. i doubt alice can afford to hire anyone rn. i think she makes herself look richer than she really is (like the rest of us in toronto kek).
i could believe that she asked a friend to change the hair colour pic (like she's shit at photoshop and asked a sympathetic fan-friend to make the pic to prove here point)
but there's no way she has the money to hire trolls.
No. 1664985
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>>1664968I believe this is in reference to Ari:
Pg. 108, last paragraph.
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>>1664942 No. 1665006
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Alice went straight from the arms of one weirdo into another. That is a tragic fact, regardless of who you believe.
As far as personal speculation goes, based on my knowledge of both bands and statements by all concerned parties, Jupiter and Ethan had 'bad-blood' for many years due to Jupiter's jealousy of CC's success, and Ethan's Jealousy of Alice's long term preferential interest and eventual elopement with Jupiter, which she began several years before ending her professional relationship with Ethan.
>>1664990Jupiter is 1/2 of the founding members of HEALTH, and I will post it when I find it, but in an interview where Crystal Castles is mentioned (iirc it was in 2009), he appears far more annoyed than in the rest of the video, although he is characteristically taciturn in the whole thing. Also, during the DEATH MAGIC tour, he mysteriously disappeared, and fans noted the bands' deflated mood for the rest of the tour and lack of statements on the matter, ever.
To use a crude analogy, I would guess Alice being as much into the DDLG degeneracy as Jupiter and Ethan are, all to varying degrees throughout their relationships. They all strike me as incredibly traumatized people, Jupiter being the most vindictive, however.
No. 1665008
>>1663879 >>1664978
This page seems like proof that she has money. Her entire closet is this brand Grimes is obsessed with called Demobaza and they aren't cheap. Calling Grimes out for being a thief and a "musk fucker" while wearing the exact same high cost clothes as her is iconic.
No. 1665039
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>>1665006the DDLG shit is so weird. occasionally she'll post a video like this to her live and it just makes my fucking skin crawl.
No. 1665048
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>>1665020This says she audited him multiple times and everything was fair. She must be getting paid fairly even though she says otherwise. Once bands split up that doesn't mean the money runs dry.
No. 1665071
>>1665048ayrt, ty v. informative
but also:
nooo what the hell why would she like about how much she got paid if there's proof like this of her compensation
wtf she's making herself look so crazy and if she's not broke now she's really risking it with this behaviour
No. 1665090
>>1665071i'm sure she's betting her diehard fans don't do any research
if i'm wrong please correct me but didn't alice "win" the defamation case because ethan's lawyer forgot to process some papers so the judge threw the case out?? i remember reading through the documents and i feel confident that happened. and then alice acted like she won it when it was just ethan's incompetent lawyer?
No. 1665113
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>>1665090ntayrt but I did some digging and you're completely right
I found the motion of dismissal
https://www.docdroid.net/oGryQql/1729694704-pdf https://archive.ph/ecFuRand Ethan's appeal after the case was dismissed:
https://www.docdroid.net/uwTQKb5/1733872354-pdf https://archive.ph/j4XDeI'm not a lawyer or anything so take this with a grain of salt
just autistic and interested in legal stuff and my understanding of the situation is that
>Ethan sued Alice and Jupiter both for defamation and causing harm to his career with Alice's statement. he said Alice lied about being abused, which would need to be determined in court that she lied for Ethan to be able to win the lawsuit. Alternatively if the judge/jury found Alice told the truth about being abused, then Ethan would have lost the lawsuit and Alice would win (which Alice later implied that this happened, implying the court verified that she told the truth)>Ethan's lawyer tried to submit Ethan's case, but the lawyer fucked up and didn't file something in time, and also formatted exhibits wrong (an exhibit is an image/thing used as proof in a court case), so the case got partially thrown out>the motion of dismissal explains basically the burden of proof falls on the plaintiff (Ethan), but his lawyer didn't add an index for the exhibits and he also didn't separate the exhibits with a tab between each page. and the poor formatting meant the evidence was not legally admissible. that doesnt mean the evidence proved or didnt prove anything, just that its formatting couldn't work in court >the motion to dismiss the case was granted in regards to Alice specifically, due to this error>Jupiter's appeal was denied, so Ethan's charges against Jupiter for conspiracy to slander him or w/e were still allowed to be pursued in court. idk if Ethan followed through on that but he could have kept suing jupiter if he wanted to >Alice's lawyer fees were ordered to be paid by Ethan, but not Jupiter's the case was dismissed before it actually went to trial. so "dismissal" in this context just means that the case was prevented from going any further, it doesn't mean that the court found anyone guilty or innocent
so yes, very disingenuous of Alice to claim that she "won", implying the court found she was telling the truth, when they made no judgements on such a thing. i think she expected people to just take her word and assume the court verified she told the truth, when if ethan was found guilty in court, he'd be in jail probably. though to be fair this doesn't mean ethan was confirmed innocent either, and i don't think he is. Neither Ethan or Alice "won" or "lost", this case hit a wall before it could determine that either of them told the truth or didn't
No. 1665118
>>1665113the physical/personal/relationship abuse sounds true. claudio fucked with her mind and life.
but it's clear to me now that anything regarding finances or contract was (somehow, idk how any of these people manage to tie their shoes tbh) handled fairly while the band was together.
No. 1665126
>>1665123>>1665118yeah exactly. Ethan was so obviously an
abusive partner, there is way too much proof and so many allegations against him for me to believe he didn't do anything at all, but i feel like Alice exaggerated the financial stuff to be 'vindictive' (which she deserves to be after what she went through). i get why she would want to go scorched-earth and say everything with Ethan and CC was as bad as possible but the exaggeration kinda sucks because then Ethan and his goons can point it out like "see, she's not being honest! Alice is a liaaaar justice for Ethan!"
No. 1665162
>>1664978Makes herself look richer yet says she's broke? Which is it?
Alice trying to act like she's not mainstream or ever was is funny. While Alice was in the band, CC performed with extremely huge bands such as Depeche Mode, Deadmau5, M.I.A., Nine Inch Nails, Metric, and Chemical Brothers. They even performed with HEALTH multiple times in three different years.
God, her and Jupiter are really made for each other.
No. 1665168
>>1665162anon i meant that with her clothing and videos she LOOKS like she's doing better than she is financially.
but, i have since been proven wrong by anons posting proof that she gets paid.
No. 1665396
>>1665394i believe you
nonnie. that's so fucked up, i'm sorry you were in that situation. i'm glad that nothing worse happened to you. if you feel comfortable posting proof or more details, it would be good to document this stuff, but obviously no pressure, not worth potentially doxxing yourself over these people. all-ages spaces like that are more often than not pretty sketchy, there's no reason that's not sinister that 30 year olds would want to seek out common spaces with high schoolers.
No. 1665402
>>1665396For better or worse I had an older boyfriend so that acted as a buffer between me and a lot of the people with worse intentions. My mom was already on her way to pick me up so I never got to smoke salvia with health and I regretted that for the next few years lol
I feel like I could be identified bc of the music video, so I don't want to go beyond that. Anyone who was around for 2005-2011-ish the smell would recognize enough to know what I'm talking about. I also know a lot of those same people still so I don't want to cast shade on anyone undeserving. There were plenty of people who were positive and not creepy, but scummy fucks take advantage. I think it was common with diy's around the country especially during the popularity of myspace making it easier than ever to "connect". I'm just super curious now because I didn't know the health/alice connection was that big or long lasting.
No. 1665403
>>1665394I'm so sorry
nonnie and I believe you. I hope you are doing well now.
Jupiter is exactly what he claims to hate
No. 1665488
>>1665118it was fucking retarded of Alice claiming that she won the court case when it was only thrown out. I wish this case went to court an alice indeed winning the case, that ethan scumbag belongs in jail. apart from paying the fees he slipped through unscathed, having only a dent in his reputation is not enough.
is it true that Alice doesn't earn any royalties for her work in CC? Is only ethan still getting money from streams/sales/whatever? Alice should have counter-sued him for royalties.
No. 1665596
>>1665538It’s a regressive thing that most that have survived abuse do. Because prior to that she had a raspy deep voice in interviews, but that was also exaggerated because she was trying to sound more mature for her young age and also maintain that “one of the guys” badass punk thing.
This baby voice didn’t start until like 2014/2015.
No. 1665598
>>1665402So are HEALTH creepers or just Jupiter? Shame if the whole band is fucked up though I have low expectations of
coomer scrotes. I love their music so much though
No. 1665642
>>1665598For real, I hope some of the band is at least sane. I know they have a Discord, but which of the band members actually browse it and if
>>1665616 is true, how long was that in place and who prompted that? An immature mod or one of the band members?
No. 1665645
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not really milky but given the recent posts on jupiter's weird behavior i think its weirder they both follow his tags, he doesn't even follow alice's tag. he seems controlling? especially over his image.
does anyone have any proof of sadie saying shit about alice too? i couldn't find anything beyond word of mouth like alice went to rou to ask him to produce songs for her and apparently he declined, sadie was also upset about that and said its both of them or none of them.
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>>1665645 i know sadie has posted other things about alice and shaded her in various insta posts but a lot of it has been lost to time. picrel is more recent- sadie has always been bitter that crystal castles became the face of witch house back then despite their music not being “witch house”. i also remember sadie saying a while ago that crystal castles III used crim3s demos as a blueprint and that sadie felt ripped off by alice. i wish i had a screenshot. basically they’ve been accusing each other of copying each other and being posers for 10 years…
No. 1665688
>>1665642I think all of them are present more or less… Maybe not all the time?
I remember there being a rule that everyone who posts porn gets banned forever, unless it's Johnny (who gets kicked for 24h). Honestly, I'm keeping fingers crossed none of them ends up being a rapist/groomer/pedo. I find scrotes being close to their fans suspicious.
Anybody tried calling The HEALTH hotline? They are offering mental health (kek) support/venting opportunity to fans
No. 1665855
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Few years ago I stumbled upon an image of a woman in google images and she looked similar to Alice and a reverse img search showed me alice's mom's facebook which I will not post for very obvious reasons. She seems like a very normal mom, was super supportive of alice but when I recently checked her fb it was wiped clean. probably being harassed by crazy cc fans. Everything about alice was removed (she used to follow alice fan pages). Her sister's page was also very normal, she isn't active either. her husband is an ugly scrote though, whats with these gorgeous canadian women getting with the ugliest crustiest scrotes??
picrel is a fan that dm'd her sister. I remember this fan trying to message paige again and obv she didn't want shit to do with the drama and the fan got super butthurt. i think it was palesadist? can't remember. he's another cow in the cc fandom who feels entitled to as much attention as alice got because he thought being lied to by ethan was such horrible abuse. dude was annoying as fuck, if you were in the cc discord you'd remember.
alice also follows 30+ fanpages of herself which I find weird as hell too
enjoy my infodumping, i feel retarded as hell but atleast i can actually give you some info if you weren't there to watch it go down
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picrel is the img that got me banned from the cc subreddit because i said this is proof ethan is balding due to the skin coloured part showing from the hole on his beanie. someone tried to argue it was a durag or some shit but all he wears is those smelly bandanas
No. 1665888
>>1665855I remember palesadist and the dms he posted with Paige. didn’t know about the mother though, interesting. cute that she’s supportive of Alice’s career lol
found this old post discrediting Alice and pointing out Jupiter’s weirdness, also that Alice’s sister called out Jupiter
https://www.reddit.com/r/crystalcastles/comments/78n6np/understanding_the_context_to_alices_statement/ here’s the archive link to the dms for posterity:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180215032830/http://castlegrayskull.tumblr.com/post/153673930657/aliceglassexposed-alice-glass-exposed-as-a-hugeI know the Paige situation is old milk but it’s still so strange to me. I remember Ethan fanboys used them as a massive excuse to say Alice lied about the whole situation, but idk because her sister probably wouldn’t have witnessed the worst of the abuse. it’s possible she just didn’t know it was going on. it certainly is interesting that Paige says with such confidence that A and J are liars though idk what to make of it. I hate to say it but I could see Jupiter maybe coercing Alice to exaggerate or something?
don’t worry about infodumping, that’s what this thread is for. if you have any more milk or relevant information please share it!
>>1665868 KEK LMAOOO he’s so clearly balding
No. 1665895
>>1665888samefagging but I feel like it’s a “both things are true at once” type deal
Jupiter and Ethan are both manipulative
abusive creepy retards who have long lasting beef and keep trying to make each other look bad. there’s so much dirt on both of them that they’re both flinging shit at each other until both of them are completely visibly covered in shit. wrongdoings on both sides are obvious. I almost feel like Alice is just caught in the middle. like she’s impressionable and just goes along with whatever her boyfriend says
No. 1665913
>>1665885i kind of sympathize with paige because my older sister is a bpd asshole too. i see it as what this anon says
>>1665895also thank you
nonnie for the nice words! finally my tism is put to use. trying to think of other shit that happened at the time.
>that time someone broke into their neighbor's house and alice/jup swears it was meant for them >finding au's vimeo(?) and posting it in the discord only for it to be swiftly deleted implying that even long after the cc drama ethan still lurks >vimeo had au's auditioning practices with ethan helping her, shots of her, ethan and friends at what looked like a carnival its hard finding anything now because i feel the entire group lurks really hard and will delete anything we stumble onto
small info
>alice's mother never stopped trying to reach her during peak cc days and constantly emailed ethan asking how her daughter is>overall a very sweet and supportive woman, nothing bad on her twitter or socials in general >alice's grandpa was mayor>mom is still active on twitter; follows people alice is involved with; grimes, alice longyu, marilyn etc (probably forgot to unfollow some). follows alice fanpages as well >>1665904LMAO might've been an accident. wasn't he obsessed with those robber masks or whatever too?
No. 1665914
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>>1665913dropped pic sorry
No. 1665926
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>>1665868kek what the fuck are these scars on his head
No. 1665928
>>1665913omg the neighbor’s house thing! I remember when Alice was talking about that and implying Ethan sent someone to break in somehow? lol
wow, I thought Alice had no relationship with her parents. I swear she has tweeted about having no relationship with her family, implied they were
abusive/
toxic and talked about cutting them off. her mother being this sweet lady who supports her daughter’s career and follows Alice’s fan accounts to see what she’s up to is kind of sad idk
>i feel the entire group lurks really hard and will delete anything we stumble ontosame here, I’m surprised they haven’t found this thread yet tbh. Ethan, Edith and Au are confirmed to lurk heavily on at least the reddit and discord. Alice strikes me as someone who constantly looks up her own name as well
No. 1665943
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>>1665928yeah ethan is psychotic but i don't think he would do that, sounds like maybe jupiter planting paranoia and fear into her.
That's true but her mom could be
abusive behind closed doors, ya know narcissism and whatever, i don't think we'll ever know and it's hard to trust alice as well. picrel the only thing she's tweeted about her mom
alice goes through her tags religiously so it's only a matter of time, she's been silent on her socials since the meltdown.
No. 1665944
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>>1665928It seems weird that she would almost brag about not having a relationship with her family after saying that ethan kept her from them (if ethan was restricting her access to them you think they would reunite by now) paige also said that jupiter is isolating her from them. IIRC paige would go on tour so she may have seen more than other siblings of abuse
victims No. 1665961
>>1665943>>1665944yeah, it seems weird to me too. also that Paige said she spent more time with Alice and Claudio- you’re right she toured with them, I completely missed that part - and then when Alice got with Jupiter Alice basically cut her off. ofc this is just tinfoil but I would bet Jupiter is putting ideas into her head.
>isn’t your family kind of toxic? babe i think you should cut off your sister >omg the neighbors got burglarized… what if it was meant for us… i bet Ethan arranged it, he has it out for us anyway and this is exactly the same thing she accused Ethan of doing. Jupiter does the same stuff and he seems like a control freak.
No. 1666004
>>1665959wait what LMAO
i don't remember this, are there caps or something..im not shocked. jupiter is so obsessed with ethan its so creepy
its weird how jupiter completely changed his image too, he used to look decent and now he looks like emo will ferrell
>>1665961sounds spot on
i think she's codependent on her partners i remember ethan on an alt saying she dated a pedo before ethan, than ethan (pedo #2) came and then she goes straight to jupiter right after ethan
No. 1666030
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>>1665582Interview was an episode of "Noisemakers on Noisevox"hosted by John Norris.
The other founding member is Jacob Duszik, they were college roommates and Jupiter heard Jacob listening to "Frankly Mr. shankly" (jupiter still wears morissey shirts to this day) and they became friends. Then Jacob met john working at guitar center in Hollywood, and the band had begun. they went through a few drummers before meeting BJ Miller.
*I archived it years ago and it appears to be gone. I will re-upload when I'm not working, as it was uploaded in like 7 fucking parts on youtube that I need to splice together. Just scrolling thru these, in the beginning of part 4 of 7 Jupiter gets annoyed about CC. they explain the band's origins in part 6 of 7.
No. 1666046
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>>1666004Found some caps, full conversation is here:
https://imgur.io/YKHwpuXJupiter personally knows this guy named David, calls himself FuneralBoy and Spookyfag, who put on a female persona as Lydia. He tried to claim this random person named Mono from the CC forums is actually Ethan and starts assuming Mono of being transphobic for figuring out Lydia is just a drag queen name David came up with.
David's Facebook with the nickname Lydia attached to it as well:
https://imgur.io/4VTzuZNPic of David's Spookyfag Instagram calling himself FuneralBoy in the bio:
https://imgur.io/884aRjdPic of Jupiter leaving a comment claiming David, Spookyfag, is his friend:
https://imgur.io/aBD7Oti No. 1666087
>>1666030that guy on the far left looks like a ragemonster
second from right has the pornsick stare
No. 1666303
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So weird that Jupiter, emotionally unstable creepy ddlg trauma fetish cow, used to work with traumatized girls. And I guess he’s trying to do DIY therapy for Alice since he’s “qualified” like this? Their dynamic is so strange
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If she's being truthful, she got a stimulus check because she made under $75k a year. Also, I thought she was only a Canadian citizen?
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Jupiter's Twitter is really pathetic tbh
Also he's a terrible producer. I think one thing that turns me off about Alice's solo stuff is her lyrics being pronounced so precisely and the lyrics themselves sounding like some edgy teenager wrote them. It doesn't mix well with the instrumentals.
No. 1666847
>>1666646It is upsetting he's not as milky as Jupiter. Now I can tinfoil Alice is with Jupiter
because he's so milky and likes any and all attention, even the negative criticism
No. 1667297
>>1665939>Sorry if this is a weird comparison but it reminds me of the Opheliac era Emilie Autumn fandomThis, I wanted to say the same thing. Alice Glass reminds me of Emilie Autumn so much now.
They both glamorize their trauma and base whole careers on it, except Emilie's life story is 99% a madeup bullshit. Alice is milking her abuse story for 10 years or so, Emilie is glamorizing her bipolar disorder for even more than that, talking how she loves this wonderful "gift" (while also much suffering ofc too) and shoving said NLOG gift in everybody's faces for years.
Even down to ripping off American McGee's Alice game. Alice Glass recently made a video which is just a copy of Alice Madness Returns with her as a character, and Emilie… well, she just completely based her trauma uwu life story on the first game. "REAL" life story, not even album concept or whatever. that and bitch 100% seriously claims she's an offspring of Alice Liddel, lol.
No. 1667335
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>>1667297I saw this tweet when her album dropped and knew nonnies would love this
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This side eye pose reminds me of EA too. they both do it a TON in their photoshoots.
No. 1667359
>>1667347all these women just sit around in a circle accusing each other of copying and crying about it instead of actually
making anything, huh
No. 1667751
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alice’s “grimes copied me” thing went viral on tiktok and the comments are filled with people talking about how original and innovative alice is kek. i’m not a grimes stan at all but alice’s entire aesthetic for the past decade has been a derivative mishmash of nicole dollanganger, dorian electra, and various stolen melodies, and her most recent song was literally a tatu ripoff. her copying is even more obvious than grimes’s imo? maybe the tiktok kids don’t pay attention to her solo career and just know her for cc
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>>1667756anon you just reminded me of the Marc Jacob drama she was posting about
something about him ripping off the heav3n name and aesthetic? i tried watching the video she linked in her stories but it was boring and unconvincing. these retards in that circle think they came up with y2k/heaven aesthetic as if it isn't the most overdone trend at the moment lmao
No. 1667785
>>1667751these tiktokers are obsessed with sperging about capitalism in the most retarded way.
We can go a step further and say Alice Glass copied Kap Bambino's image for Crystal Castles.
No. 1667807
>>1667784I remember the itslulo troon person's "Heav3n" webstore. they were selling hot topic tier hot garbage for designer prices.
Marc and Itslutroon literally just talking inspiration from 90s gay rave/club scene. How male of them. But adding a weeb orientalism finish because gen z are all Koreaboos and weebs now.
Itslutroon even cried to Marc Jacob's team demanding they change it from @heaven to @heavn or something retarded because they "have been trying to get the Instagram name for so long " and Marc actually did it because he didn't want problems like getting called transphobic by his new free money source of faux woke gen z buyers
As for similarities between the brands itslutroon was acting like they created the concept of alternative gay rave shit. Before Marc Jacob's heaven project was even launched itslutroon store was already down and not doing well so it seemed like they fucked off from fashion and focused on party events only to try to gatekeep Marc later
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>>1667796I think I somewhat get what their coming from, a lot of big name brands often do copy underground styles and aesthetic and sell them for the general population but at higher prices
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>>1667807I'm not sure when this pic was taken but it seems 2010s ish. The itslulo / itslutroon moid literally cosplays as an alt Harajuku girl. They are just tsking styles from Asian women bloggers and alt Tumblr style it's not original. They strike me as a z list celebrity just because they stole an Asian girl's likeness (they look Mexican or something)
No. 1667833
>>1667830It's 2010s
I'm just clarifying that this troon hasn't ever been original
No. 1667843
>>1666569>I just realized how lonely it would be not to be buried beside youI feel that, sorry
>I'm done with me. You should be tooDon't worry I am lmfao
No. 1667856
>>1667784lutroon is delusional if he thinks he invented y2k/hot topic asiaboo style
>poc trans woman icon does he think being mexican gives him ownership over 00s inspired j-fashion?
No. 1668030
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>>1667994Tbh, I miss this era of indie. She definitely has gone down one of the expected paths of what happens to girls like her at this time. Also, pic attached, I found this anti-abortion photo in her likes.
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>>1668030btw I clicked on it and there is a pro-choice paragraph underneath the photo
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>>1665598Just look at them.
No. 1668570
>>1666030such a cursed pic! chris (far left) cheated on his gf. there's a video somewhere of her telling the whole story.
and alex zelenka (next to ethan) lies about his age online and is a creep.
No. 1668630
>>1668568ask him why he’s a pedophile kek
i’m interested - how did he convince you to defend him? what made you come to your senses?
No. 1668717
>>1668622>>1668630im not trying to powerlevel at all, just mentioning my lukewarm experience, i was fucked up back then, not proud, i was no way close friends with anyone or anything and im not claiming that at all. sage for all that and potential rant but you asked.
and i don't really know why, i think just loved the music so much and couldnt believe he would do such a thing, since he has been so nice to me in the past, i know people he helped get sober etc etc. like a really great manipulator clearly now. being a little pickme prob has something to do with it, mostly sober now and done loads of mental work to get where i am and i shudder reading this thread.
i was young and dumb and struggled to grasp how deeply shitty the whole thing was and i think that's how they wanted it tbh, they used anyone online as ammo to create a huge muddy divide. it's still a big mindfuck divide for alot of fans especially in the local home scene, most of us scattered like cockroaches lol. i should fucking ask him that.
No. 1668778
>>1668483Clean your ears nona.
Do you know any bands in roughly the same genre that you consider good? I would give them a shot if I hadn't already
No. 1669257
>>1668483Just because you don’t like the member’s (it’s literally 1 member too) associations, doesn’t mean the band sucks.
>>1668485just because a band looks goofy, doesn’t mean it sucks lol. look at thom yorke, neutral mill hotel, etc. they all look goofy and weird.
(sage your shit) No. 1669263
>>1669257ok but they look like gross coomers because they
are gross coomers
No. 1669801
>>1668778no because i don't listen to overhyped hipster post-blogosphere bands
just listen to jon hassell or something
No. 1699461
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>>1664942>>1664937>>1665113I have full access to westlaw and lexis and found CLAUDIO PALMIERI VS STEPHEN BERNARD, ET AL. it's 8 pages long and it's a complaint ethan filed against his prior counsel alleging legal malpractice lol. going to include screenshots of it
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>>1699866glad to see some interest, i'll poast the rest!
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>>17008524/8
and i learned to sage. sry
No. 1700877
>>1700842thanks for posting! i like that this thread has become a catalogue of all claudio's shit, it's good to have a record of his tardery that he can't delete.
if this is accurate claudio's lawyer sounds quite sloppy and honestly negligent. it's pretty funny that claudio got stuck with the worst lawyer imaginable, though. karma's a bitch. i wonder if the lawyer threw the case intentionally because he knew claudio's sketchy story and complete lack of evidence wouldn't hold up in a court of law against alice's proof and the word of the other girls to back her up
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>>17009418/8
that's all i've got. i can find more funny court cases/dockets if anyone needs. bored studying for law school finals and used to be a huge crystal castles fan. seems like a shite situation all around
No. 1711145
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Look who's thirsting in Nicole Dollanganger's comment section.
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alice returns to twitter to start shit with grimes again kek
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alice coming after 1000 gecs & alice gas. sage b/c its not really that milky imo
No. 1815475
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Saged for no milk. Today I decided to listen to alice's last year album (PREY//IV) and tbh is okay. It has 4 very solid songs and only 1 is beyond repair but besides that it was a nice listen. I think the wavering between this album and her EP (which was gut-wrenching yet fairly well made) is the identity crisis she is going through. Her first appearances after CC were, in my opinion, very strong. She looked her best in the years 2018 - 2019, it was still her old stile during CC but gave it her own edge by going white blond and wearing these big hoodies/jackets with the insane lipstick. Then after falling into the DDLG slippery slop she began to deteriorate fast. Getting unnecessary plastic surgery and dressing like alt-faties. Maybe in the future she would go back to reusing outfits for gigs, like a normal person and ease her mental stress wearing more comfortable clothes and let her art speak for itself.
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nonnies and I were gawking over Alice's new face in celebricows so might as well post it here. I hope it's okay I didn't sage because these are recent posts and photoshoots from this week. I really want to know why she butchered her face this hard to a point where she has pillow face now. Here's a pic comp, left is most recent and right pics are ones I tried to find also from modeling shoots or a candid. Didn't want to go too far either because she's older now.
She definitely shaved her jaw because it's a lot more narrow now, and her nostrils are smaller as well. Obvious lip filler she admitted too which looks to be fucking up already and migrating.
this is heartbreaking, man she looks like fucking Pete Burns in those photoshoots. She used to be stunning and after going into that egirl h34v3n circle or whatever its been downhill
No. 1819405
>>1819319I won't say anything about the fillers because at least those are reversible, but her nose is forever gone, she fucked up good.
Also have you noticed she been trying to skinwalk chibi from the birthday massacre and trying to sound like pussy riot's panic attack?
No. 1819547
>>1819319heartbreaking.
she was literally gorgeous and had an ideal face before all of this. personally, I think it went downhill during her Marc jacobs campaign and when she walked for him. before that her face was stunning. She lost some weight and her cheekbones were so hollow and then she gained a bit of weight (which fits her anyway) but got some surgery with it. she had no reason to do anything to her nose, she already had a petite and symmetrical nose. the majority of people would covet a nose like hers, so I don’t know why she would want to make it smaller? at this point it will just be the nostrils left? I just don’t get it. Does she really hate the way she looks, when every girl in her cc days wanted to look like her.
This is just so sad.
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>>1819335i feel like she also would do it anyways her online presence is really showing her mania in the worst ways like when she blows up at random people and keeps burning bridges and starting fights
pic from her twitter it seems like such a weird tweet. i wish she would go offline and focus hard on recovery but its been 9 yrs since she left cc and she's only gotten worse. i definitely blame jupiter
>>1819351idk
nonnie it looks a lot thinner than before, she used to have a strong square jaw and now its diamond shaped and lumpy. another anon up the thread mentioned it looked like she had buccal fat removal during some show as well and i can see it.
>>1819405I can't see the chibi comparison, do you have examples? I can see the pussy riot thing though.
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>>1819547no i know. she was actually born beautiful and perfect. picrel is from 2008, she's just being herself and not even styled or made up yet. she was a really smart and compassionate person and now she's become this traumacore shell of a woman. it's so disappointing, even more so than grimes because i never got bullshitter vibes off her. she actually did have skills and innovative ideas.
No. 1821068
>>1820589Read the fucking thread. We all feel sorry for her and want her to get better (and dump the fucker she's currently with who i don't think has any good influence on her), but i'm not surprised this thread was made because she's going down the lolcow way now. Attention-seekining, petty drama catfights through IG stories, "I Made It All I'm OG" attitude all aside, she's romanticizing and milking her trauma with shit like Nicole Dollanganger tier photoshoots, shit like Trauma Core Tour and let's not forget her awful sissy/ABDL/DDLG inclinations. anons talked about her ripping Emilie Autumn, well i see an ironic correlation between the two - both making a yearlong career out of their trauma - which is ok if you translate your pain into art to feel better, but they're both doing it in a way that fetishizes and glorifies that pain, to the point they make it look so cool and awesome. EA cannot shut up about her bipolar disorder and what a "miracle" it is to her, Alice Glass builds her image on "traumacore" of all things, a fake bullshit that crawled out of tumblr.
Besides, anons wanted to talk about Crystal Castles adjacent scrotes and shit that happened overall, hence "Alice Glass and Friends" thread name. And honestly fucking hyperpop scene should have its own thread bc its full of cows
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https://www.stereogum.com/2222735/pussy-riot-boys-noize-chastity-feat-alice-glass/music/alright nonnies alice is featured on a collab with boys noize and pussy riot. pic rel made me cringe I would've liked the song but
>put it in a dick cageruins it, its so fucking cringe. I don't know how encouraging degenerate fetishes is empowering.
No. 1822469
>>1822458Ewww.
Speaking of which, where's the anon who promised us a thread about Nadia from Pussy Riot? If what was said bout her in Indie Cows thread is any indication, she's a total cow, i'd say she's a fit for /snow.
No. 1822548
>>1822458>sissy hypno coredisgusting. i hate how alice went from calling out misogyny in the music industry to supporting troons/coomers and acting like it's empowering to pander to their degenerate fetishes.
>>1822469if nadia anon is still around, she def needs a thread
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i want to put a bullet in my brain everytime she uses the baby voice
No. 1844353
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>>1819319samefagging to post this photo as well, but here's another great addition to your collage. what the hell even is this
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Alice is planning to remake CC songs with different production. I get it may be difficult for her to perform the original CC songs but she should honestly just let it go, imagine Alice Practice with that baby voice and Jupiter’s horrible production kek
No. 1844801
>>1844351wtf she sounds retarded or on something
>>1844796have no idea why her shtick is healing from trauma but she just keeps picking at old trauma. she's just so fucking lame and money hungry now its insane
No. 1844822
>>1844351good lord is she talking like that because of the fillers??
>>1844796This is 100% jupiter's idea, he wants the CC shekels kek
No. 1847279
>>1819319jesus fucking christ. she was gorgeous, she absolutely fit our beauty standards to a T. And somehow manages to mangle her face. She deep down hates herself and hung out with too many trannies who have a very distorted view of femininity and obsession with plastic surgery. To think getting too involved in e-girl tumblr influencer shit and playing the
victim all night regressed her so badly lmao
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>>1844891 LOL
(unsaged shitpost ) No. 1847405
>>1847399Problem is
anon that this "change" is a result of poor to no healthy coping mechanisms. She thinks she needs these destructive surgeries and modifications because she is running away from her trauma and wrinkles I guess.
No amount of ageing will fuck your face up like this. This is irremediable and she'll have to live with this
"new cute in an alien grimes uwu baby way" the rest of her life because she is surrounded by enablers and degenerate trannies.
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>>1844353She looks like Amanda Bynes in that weird crackheaded video she posted a few years back. Spoilered for OT
No. 1848612
>>1848279I never considered this but I think you're right, I think she wants to change her appearance but also wants to be recognisable as Alice Glass for career reasons so we get Catwoman Alice Glass as some sort of happy medium. Even people in non
abusive relationships typically do an image change (most commonly a major haircut) when breaking up.
No. 1848615
>>1848070Also samefag watching her facial movements here she has nearly the same expressions as an autistic influencer I follow, idk if that plays a part in how everything has gone but I know neurodivergent people are typically easier "
victims" for narcs which is probably why she took so long to escape from him.
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i wonder if alice is salty over her name not being one of the main events at this festival in miami while grimes is kek
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i really hate posting this, but wtf? i despise ethan so much for corrupting this beautiful woman.. however at this point im not even sure if its entirely ethan to blame. the amount of cosmetic surgery shes had on her face over the last 5-10 years is actually insane.
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spoilered for the absolute jumpscare that is that makeup, good lord
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necroing because there is new milk
alice was either cheating on jupiter (or they are open or something?) and really cringe screenshots are going around of alice sending sexts to a hardcore stan, who runs an alice fan account. some people are saying the fan is underage too, but they said they’re an adult so it’s unclear
this thread has really cringe videos and audio of like alice moaning that she sent to the fan
https://x.com/cowgirldp333/status/177631886709612963 No. 1984311
>>1898753Hyperpop sucks and every female alt musician is a Sophie plastic sugary abomination now. Troons viral moidery infects everything, it hits critical mass, and
triggers a huge die off in anything interesting resulting in stagnation in art and culture. Her, grimes, Caroline polachek, doss, plus all the actual futchy artists becoming theys it is so bleak that there are no arts and culture for women by women, everything caters to either straight or gay moids. Thanks fags.
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>>1984308jail. jail for both
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>>1984308did anyone archive this? seems the OP deleted it because someone on reddit insisted it was fake and others on twitter notified her, but they didn't post an explanation or proof, just claims that any videos are edited and "the
victim isn't a
victim".
https://x.com/cowgirldp333/status/1778093364153393363https://www.reddit.com/r/crystalcastles/comments/1c0kb9j/comment/kywycfz/ No. 2004397
https://imgur.com/a/jupiter-keyes-io-expose-part-1-WHWaDwZReally disturbing. And he seems
abusive towards Alice as well. Seems like he does everything that Alice wrote about in her statement toward Ethan…
(namefag/this is an imageboard) No. 2004548
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imgboard friendly version of the jupiter callout posted above. spoilering this cap for the disturbing anachan photos at the end.
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this has got to be one of the wildest things ive ever read in my life KEK
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Yikes…(namefagging)
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>>2004548samefag but i wonder if jupiter is on the mod team, one of them just removed it from the subreddit
No. 2004614
>>2004548thanks for the caps, nonna. longpost sorry but a lot stood out to me in the post. so, jupiter is a pedo drug addict with a fetish for anorexic baby-voiced little girls who he controls. he really mentally fucked with this shay girl and tried to mold her into fitting his pedo anachan fetish, and i feel horrible for her.
this puts a lot into perspective about his relationship with alice also. a lot of the things that were unclear and being speculated about upthread get explained because jupiter is so retarded he totally incriminated himself. somehow he thought i guess telling shay how he was controlling alice and talking all this shit about her would make alice look like the psychotic one? kek
>Jupiter degraded her sexually telling me private things about Alice that he didn't like. For example, the reason he wouldn't go down on her. He also said their "chemistry is very off. always has been" and "the chemistry is bad" which is an odd thing to say about someone who you've been married to for 10 years and make music with.>Jupiter said to me [about why he took alice's social media passwords away,] "You know how it is, after a divorce… I didn't want her to write about me."jupiter and alice were married for 10 years and they got/were getting a divorce in 2022? are they back together now or what? i hope she got out, or plans to get out.
>Jupiter admitted to me that he controlled all of their finances. He said to me that he had to tweak taxes when he was faced with the divorce to hide things from her, because of how he mismanaged her money. He had major losses, apparently. To my understanding, audits were done to "Crystal Castles" and all audits came back clean.>Alice still receives royalties from Crystal Castles and if she believes otherwise, or that she is being gutted, I speculate that it is due to Jupiter's deception and Jupiter's alone.well that's insane, jupiter was the one siphoning alice's royalties, and probably putting them up his nose. this girl's story mentions alice called him crying because jupiter blocked her credit cards and she couldn't pay for a hotel she needed on tour. poor alice. she probably genuinely believes ethan is stealing from her, and jupiter is lying to her and making her paranoid about how ethan is robbing her and all this shit when he's been the one doing it to her.
>Jupiter said (and so has Alice) that he writes all of Alice's interviews on her behalf. He says she is incapable of doing it on her own. He needed to be in control. It's confusing because they have an article about how Alice is now completely in control of her own project. wtf, when i was reading the caps of the pedo shit he said i was thinking about how he used to work in an orphanage for traumatized little girls. it came up upthread in an interview """alice""" gave, but jupiter himself wrote this shit
>>1666303 is this why he got fired from health? his pedophilia?
No. 2004615
>>2004614>>2004548samefagging to add
>"He told me that moving forward, I should sing like I can't sing, and to sing with a baby voice."that explains alice's music, and the creepy baby voice she puts on in singing and speaking. this girl had jupiter tell her to talk like that in daily life, also. and, i guess why alice sort of "sings like she can't sing," like no support or proper technique. it's a nitpick but i'm a trained singer and i have always thought it was strange that for a solo artist of almost a decade, alice has never shown signs of improving her vocals, technique/range/etc, even though in alice's music the main thing is the vocals themselves and not the production like with cc. jupiter wants it to sound like it's a kid singing.
No. 2004617
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ok the divorce shay mentioned between alice and jupiter definitely got called off cause his most recent post is teasing something with alice today. i wonder if he’s gonna respond to this stuff coming out. maybe blame ethan kek
No. 2004643
>>2004614>are they back together now or what? i hope she got out, or plans to get out.no idea of the details, but an article came out a year or so ago? about her moving to a different part of cali so they're at least physically separated for the most part. as some nonnas posted above, she's still collaborating with him, so they're obviously still in contact, but at least she isn't around him 24/7 anymore.
i can't find the article at this moment and am strained for time, but i'll post it later when i find it.
No. 2004849
>>2004556Wow… it's insane how many of these exact copy and paste narc BPD abusers exist in the music scene. I don't want to blogpost here, but I experienced a situation which was nearly identical to this with someone in the music industry, and as a result I can really say that she is so brave for speaking up as people like Jupiter will threaten suicide, threaten swats, threaten doxxes, threaten hits, threaten family, threaten ANYTHING to keep control and their 'reputation' even if it's already tainted. I'm so glad she spoke up, and I wonder what effect this will have on Alice, considering she's only been in relationships with BPD narc man whores it seems unlikely that she won't just get picked up by another equally, if not worse abuser. Although Alice is a
victim in this cycle, at the end of the day she is complicit in it because of the comfort and security their control brings her. Even if she decided to move on, I don't know how she will even be able to unlearn the infantilization and bimbofication they have forced onto her
No. 2004872
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a post from crystalcastlesarchive on insta, i'm assuming this is a convo they had with jupiter?
No. 2004873
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>>2004872a comment from someone else on a post crystalcastlesarchive made.
No. 2004880
>>2004849to work in the music industry (and by extension the acting and singing industry) you have to have a certain level of narcissism. it comes with the territory when your image (your face) is also your brand and you have a lot to loose if you don't succeed.
So its really not surprising a lot of abusers there have that personaility defect.
No. 2005000
>>2004963She literally says she came about Ethan to stop other
victims so for her to support Jupiter is very contradictory
No. 2005155
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(namefag)
No. 2005358
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Jupiter telling someone in recovery for ED to eat less than 800 kcal a day and to “turn it into a game”
No. 2005525
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posted by crystalcastlesarchives 1/2 proving shan’s convo screenshots are legit
No. 2005528
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posted by ccarchives 2/2 jupiter pathetically posting after the allegations came out and uploading a song he made for shan as a highlight in response to them
No. 2005531
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apparently jupiter also mods the CC reddit and he’s defending himself against the allegations on there what the fuck ? was ethan a mod on there to begin with like op says and jupiter got on when ethan got booted out?
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No. 2005581
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>>2005563>>2005532it's definitely jupiter's account, it is milky as fuck, and very active. there are hundreds of comments going back years and i wont cap all of them because most aren't that interesting or drama related. tldr from my skimming through-
>his comments in the CC sub are mostly about how nice and cool of a guy jupiter is, and praising alice, and shitting on edith and ethan. 4 months ago he was talking about what nice people alice and jupiter are like he was a fan who had met them>now he's just openly saying he's jupiter, and that shan reached out to him first and harassed him and manipulated him by threatening suicide to him.>he talks a lot about drugs in his comments>he's really active in horror and true crime subs. also comments a lot on fauxmoi and gossip shit, kek>he commented dozens of times about how much he hates AI art because it is unfair to him as a musician>been active for years in tatu fan subs>when alice cancelled a show in orlando, jupiter went on the reddit saying it was unpredictable and not alice's fault, and telling fans he was sorry they were disappointed (was this from when jupiter was bitching out alice to shan cause she got blackout drunk before a show?) >>2005155>shitting on grimes in fauxmoi and grimes subs, saying she is a spoiled bully who is just as bad as elon. he also says he closely knows people who knew grimes before she got with elon. No. 2005585
>>2005358Not to defend the awful moid, but based on the images of this girl and these messages, 700-800 is
more than she was currently eating. He's basically trying to suggest she eats just a bit more to get nutrients. Basically two crazies supporting each other through their crazy bullshit is what I'm getting from this, obviously he will use it against her later like in this comment which seems to be about her mental illness
>>2005532 No. 2005589
>>2005581>tatu fan subsControlling moid would (tatu's history is similar to Alice's)
>he's really active in horror and true crime subs.Interesting if Creepshow's moid is the true crime Youtuber he is suspected to be, a bit of a correlation between controlling psychotic men and an interest in true crime
No. 2005600
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>>2005581he seems like the self important narc who thinks they are an intellectual
No. 2005901
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>>2005825>>2005795i posted this right after waking up, meant to say "another mod even pinned it" kek. anyway here's a link
https://old.reddit.com/r/crystalcastles/comments/1dgu6gq/regarding_jupiter/ No. 2005907
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>>2005901aaaand here's a cap of all the current comments. i think i expanded all of the downvoted ones but sorry if i missed any.
No. 2005909
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>>2005907last bit of comments, my screencapture extension keeps cutting it off for some reason.
No. 2005971
File: 1718755639521.mp4 (789.76 KB, 720x1280, audio1.mp4)
audio logs from shan to her friend were posted on crystalcastlesarchives' instagram story.
>shan asks what jupiter is going to do with their pets (i'm assuming this is after alice/jupiter split up)
>jupiter says alice has an apartment in the same complex, on the same floor
>shan "lost her shit", "i'm done with him now", "one day i have to talk about what happened to me though, yeah i was used & hidden"
No. 2005972
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>jupiter living in the same complex as alice results in shan calling him a pedophile kek
>"alice speaks like a fucking baby and he wanted me to speak like that? like a baby voice, which he would specifically say"
No. 2005973
File: 1718755691816.mp4 (893.3 KB, 606x1078, audio3.mp4)
>"he truly treated me, not like a teenager, but a fucking kid. like a child"
No. 2005974
File: 1718755707124.mp4 (857.37 KB, 616x1096, audio4.mp4)
>lack of a father figure + jupiters lovebombing fucked her up blah blah blah
none of these audio recordings are milky tbh just figured i'd archive them here. she's basically just reiterating what was already said
No. 2006297
>>2005585Hi. Having 600-800 calories would still mean that the individual is at a calorie deficit and therefore they’d still lose weight. This is the amount that an anorexic person consumes. It would not benefit the individuals health. It is intentionally,
triggering for people with eating disorders to make suggestions like this. It is very unhealthy.
This argument is absolutely ridiculous. This argument has come from Jupiter’s dumb ass mouth. There were conversations in 2022 had with the
victim and Jupiter when he’d suggest for her to only have a can of tuna because it’d at least nourish her brain and back then she explained that it’s a
triggering suggestion and he did not care. Being at a deficit to your bodies energy expenditure will leave you unwell. Your organs will still shut down. It’s not healthy eating if you’re not eating enough. The
victim at the time in 2022 was searching for their first meal of the day that would’ve involved carbs, protein & lipids. “Apples and tuna.” Sure. What a fucking fabulous suggestion. So nourishing. So fucking normal.
Also, yeah I don’t know how to sage or whatever tf that is because I don’t like these anonymous message boards.
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Amidst all this, Alice releases a rap song? What a cool way to respond I guess, by completely ignoring the victim.
No. 2006531
>>2006297One of the most obvious selfposts of all time, no shit 800 calories is a deficit. But it's likely you, uh she, was eating far less than that at the time so the suggestion was comparitively "helpful" - if he wanted her to really starve he would have been saying something much worse than that (like all the anachan shitheads do to each other)
(also nobody here cares about
triggers)
Everyone knows you are supposed to eat in the region of 1500-2000kcal a day as a woman. You don't need to dietsplain to me.
(bone rattling derail) No. 2006547
File: 1718939414468.png (1.58 MB, 624x4952, part2.png)
part two dropped. something something NFTs that looked like shan made by weirdos, encouraging anorexia, really a giant nothing burger so i'm sageing this.
No. 2006552
>>2006547also samefag, maybe its just me, but i really don't care about anything she's talking about. sorry if there is actually anything bump-worthy.
>>2006531the usage of
triggering really does make me think its shan kek either that or her friend mila or whatever
No. 2006612
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Jupiter’s recent email to the victim
No. 2006615
>>2006547the language towards the end is suspiciously similar to this poster:
>>2006297if its really her and shes mentally frail as she explains, she has no business here. better off just posting receipts then taking a break from social/jupiter/alice
No. 2006733
>>2006615Yeah it's the exact same phrasing and topics and emphasis.
Since she's selfposting, I want her to post her Bjork singing in this thread because that sounds interesting.
>>2006547 No. 2006887
>>2006867talking to someone 10 years my junior sounds like torture tbh. like why would you want to talk to someone who at that stage of development is riddled with insecurities and figuring out who they are and can barely wipe their own ass while simultaneously thinking they know everything and how the world works. like once you move past that stage you don't wanna look back especially when you remember the stupid and almost dangerous situations you placed yourself in lol
and that’s why anyone who does approach people years younger than them are predators. really hope shan and alice find peace.
No. 2007054
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untitled profile, a popular cc-focused youtube account that often uploads extremely rare songs/demos/footage/videos, posted this a few hours ago.
No. 2008514
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some things posted to crystalcastlesarchive's insta story
No. 2008838
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part 3 just dropped. it's short so i'll just copy & paste it. the text begins after the images:
>There are more.
>Jupiter Keyes specifically directed his posting of guns to taunt Edith Frances. I wanted to help Edith and to be there for her. Jupiter knew that Edith had trauma from a previous abuser that involved guns. Jupiter asked many questions about Edith’s trauma when he learned that we were friends because he reaped the information out of me. Jupiter said that he didn’t know Edith, so I asked whether we could help her if she was in a dangerous position and he refused.
>When I told Jupiter to stop, he said, “Oh, that’s immature of me, I shouldn’t…” and he proceeded to post guns the next morning that I had woken.
>I don’t believe he gives a fuck about abuse victims.
>Why are we not allowed to empathise with Edith Frances?
No. 2008839
>>2008838wow i think she
literally just deleted the post from tumblr? glad i saw it when i did
No. 2008851
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>>2008838OOOOO apparently i missed some stuff. shoutout to whoever archived her posts today.
https://archive.is/uWafr No. 2008852
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>>2008851image files
also one of the images cuts off part of the text at the end:
>I was threatened by Jupiter in this call. Edith never said she loved me after 3 days after speaking and did not rename me, among other things. She had my evidence for nearly two years and did nothing with it. Please understand her fear, alongside mine about this man. >To be continued… I have more to share within the hour. No. 2008856
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found the contents of the tumblr post on remixed_rewired's ig story. i wonder why shan deleted it. she should have gone into this instead of the crypto stuff, this is way more compelling of jupiter being a psycho and of course too ethan. i wonder if edith is safe. does this mean ethan threatened her with a gun?
No. 2008857
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samefagging i see another anon just posted most of this whoops. more on jupiter running the reddit
No. 2008862
>>2008857>i see another anon just posted most of this whoopsdon't worry about it, apparently there was a video in the post about edith but archive.is wasn't able to capture it- your cap here
>>2008856 includes part of that video so thank you for posting/archiving!
No. 2011308
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Anonymous message to Shan stating they had similar interactions with Jupiter, while Jupiter was pretending to be Alice and talking to young girls online about their body image issues.
1/3
From @crystalcastlesarchive
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Samefag sorry I messed up and newfag
3/3
No. 2011445
>>2011430Alice was supported by huge artists publicly such as Lorde, no one doubted her. She of all people should know why supporting this
victim matters. She also supported other Ethan
victims. But because Jupiter is her hero, she’s supporting him. Very disgusting considering he uses her account to write minors.
No. 2011478
>>2011445It seems obvious that Alice wasn’t even aware of Jupiter using her account and also even cheating on her with other fans. I don’t think it’s fair to put blame on her since she isn’t even aware of the situation and how serious it is while also being manipulated and being fed information on how to act and respond to things by Jupiter, who is basically her handler at this point.
>inb4 well Alice is a grown person, she should take responsibility!!Sure, but she’s never had her own autonomy from the high school age to now. She’s lived a life completely controlled by older and/or manipulating men. It’s not really that easy to simply just leave
No. 2011524
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i found this in an alice interview. shan said jupiter would write all alice's interview answers so maybe it came from him. but either way i bet this is what he is telling her. she can't leave because she is a drop out (bc ethan made her drop out for cc) and she needs someone to take care of her career, she would have nothing else to do, whatever.
this is the interview:
https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/alice-glass-music-interview>>2011478she's been controlled by these predatory men since she was 17 and its all she knows. she has never had an independent adult life and she has never had any normal relationship experience. even if she wanted to leave, she probably believes she can't, and she has no frame of reference for what she could do if she left. i want to cry for her.
No. 2011542
>>2011532i'm also wondering if alice's plastic surgery we were analyzing upthread was at jupiter's suggestion. to make her fit doll image?
jupiter's obsession with tatu is so eerie. that disgusting scrote ivan shapovalov got his claws into lena and yulia when they were young girls, also. he told them how to act on stage and in interviews. yulia got a ton of plastic surgery and botched her face like alice. i watched the 20 year tatu retrospective in russian and you can tell yulia genuinely has no idea what the normal adult life is like. as an adult she ended up in an
abusive relationship with the father of her son, pasha, and he also kept trying to make her change appearance. sorry for tatu sperg but i see a lot of alice in this. jupiter probably sees shapovalov as inspirational (in more ways than one bc he also ripped off his production) but he definitely must know this story if he is a big fan.
blog: as teen i loved both cc and tatu. i thought they were really inspirational women who were rebelling against patriarchy, homophobia, beauty standards from men, and freely doing what THEY wanted. i admired this freedom so much. it's so heartbreaking and disturbing this was designed limited hangout, this image was even controlled by abusive men this whole time No. 2011635
>>2011542>>2011532I'm 100% certain the fetish outfits, bogification surgeries and baby voice was Jupiter's idea. As this nona pointed out, many female music acts are actually women being tightly controlled and puppeteered by an
abusive control freak male behind the scenes.
No. 2011686
>>2011532It is so evil, creating this image of woman who survived abuse and is now doing her own thing for her. And pretending to be her to lure in
victims who look up to her. Kinda reminds me of the cases of Ninja and Yolandi and Onision and Lainey, except in this case seems like Alice didnt know what was going on.
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ccarchive posted jupiter dming some alice fan account. this is in response to the caps of jupiter calling alice a fucking idiot. if alice really laughed this off it’s bc she’s fucking brainwashed. “it’s like when band members get pissed off at each other and say shit” yeah shit talking your partner to the young fangirls you’re grooming on the internet is totally just like that you degenerate pedoscrote
No. 2012070
>>2011524>17I've been following CC since the very beginning and Ethan started grooming Alice since she was 14 years old. When she got into high school at 15 is when they had for the first time sexual contact. I don't know if anyone remembers this very specific photo of Alice where she is only wearing a white t-shirt and panties, has a massive bruise on her leg and is stuck in a very awkward unnatural way between a small bookcase and the wall in a dingy room, her face isn't showing because she's looking towards one of the walls away from the camera. I remember it so vividly because at first I couldn't believe it was Alice because of how skinny she looked but then they began posting more photos of the same nasty room with the shitty mattress and it %100 was Alice in these pictures. I am convinced that Ethan and Jupiter had a pedo-bonding moment when he told him "I know you like little girls" and I bet he shared him some of his stash along with images of tatu's early career photos (the guy was inspired by CP he admitted it in an interview while battling cancer) hence the similarities between tatu's white panty follow me to the bed pictures and the bookcase photo of Alice.
So yeah Alice has never been truly free and I don't blame her for the learned helplessness she is living through now.
No. 2012708
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>>2012070if you're talking about these pics, its 10000% not alice. she was never as thin as the girl in the mattress photo. iirc it was a rando on tumblr that uploaded these around like 2010-2012.
No. 2012718
>>2012708also two extremely nitpicky things from a diehard alice glass appreciator, she never had long nails (first pic, look at everything past her thumb), nor did she ever wear jewelry until she got with jupiter (i'm like 99% certain of this, at least). she'd have like wrist bands from festivals/shows or hair clips but that's all she would ever accessorize with. i think the first time i remember her wearing any jewelry was that interview where she talks about punching people in the head with a huge skull ring, but her hair was dyed blue at the time so this is when she first started dating jupiter. she also briefly had a lip ring, but that was at the very, very beginning of CC. i think she took it out after their first show.
sorry if i seem schizo kek, i've just dedicated an insane portion of my life to alice/CC/etc since the first EP dropped.
No. 2012853
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>>2012843thank you!! i totally feel the same way, early days (like everything before 2013) alice will forever be a fashion icon for me. she barely even had to put any effort into it, she was just flawlessly herself.
i know she has stated that ethan controlled everything she wore and it depresses the hell out of me, but (tinfoil time kek) these days i wonder if there was a conflict about this after she started dating jupiter. we've already seen how drastically her style has changed since entering a relationship/"solo" project with him- i wonder if it was some kind of moid power struggle with jupiter trying to change her into the image he had in mind and ethan wanting to continue what was already successful. like i said, tinfoil, but if you see photos of her pre-cc (which, tbf, there aren't many of) she dressed in a very similar fashion before 2013.
i think part of me is just lamenting on all of it because it was such a crazy shift from minimalist but still uniquely feminine to hyper-feminine over sexualized LA fashion garbage. it's kinda been a like a long, drawn out whiplash over the last decade.
like omg do you remember when she wore cornrows (picrel) for an interview where she talks about bondage…? NOBODY can tell me jupiter didn't have an influence on that look, it was so out of left field holy kek (i cannot find that interview for the life of me but it was during an alexander mcqueen campaign and she compaired braided hair to bondage)
No. 2013090
>>2012853I’m convinced that her thrifted low effort but cool look during the early cc days is all her. Even her high school yearbook pic, you can tell. I do think that Ethan did have a hand in playing up her look, dying her natural blonde hair to black and the heavy raccoon eyeliner. But her fashion remained consistent until she met Jupiter especially when she started to dye her hair pastel colors by the third record. Her personal style is all hers. Jupiter definitely had a hand in her now tired and shitty e-girl pseudo-goth bondage look now.
>>2012857Fans made the thread and fans are responding to all the recent drama. Who did else did you expect? Only people invested in Alice would bother making a thread about her, much less respond?
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Apparently Jupiter steals beats for Alice's music. Don't think I ever saw any mention of this being sampled
No. 2014836
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>>2007054(samefag) i noticed this person changed the description for the video
No. 2014838
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>>2014836so i looked at some recent uploads and found this interesting comment. sounds a lot like ari's situation
>>1664974 No. 2015547
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Jupiter really is the exact opposite as he portrays himself online. He defended Lil Tracy for the dumbest reason.
No. 2015961
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jupiter finally addressed everything by wiping his instagram account and posting the following
No. 2015968
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>>2015966a comment left by alice
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No. 2016002
>>2015980hilariously i think anything tagged as NOT being produced by jupiter keyes will do better for her post-CC marketability than anything kek
i wonder if she's read any of the allegations, especially the parts where jupiter berates her musical talent. he's the lowest of the low for having the audacity to judge her ability to sing while riding on the coattails of her success, constantly shoehorning himself into her music. i'm looking forward to the day alice genuinely embarks on a solo career without some moid attached to her like a parasite.
No. 2016064
>>2016028its amazing how jupiter is saying edith and ethan somehow manipulated shan into trying to expose him, when shan showed that she was the one who messaged edith first to ask for help when she realized jupiter had been abusing her. edith is a pos for defending ethan in all this, but what she did in this situation is what i would do and anybody should, which was encouraging shan to cut ties with that abuser creep.
also, shan showed a while ago that jupiter had forced her to send him nice positive messages so he had "proof" in case she decided to make allegations against him. hmm i wonder why a normal nice non-creepy guy would intentionally need to do damage control, like he had something to hide. all shan's screenshots are the entire screen of the convos. jupiter cropped in on individual messages or parts of messages. i bet he cut out that he was asking her to send that shit.
>>2015968are we sure jupiter doesn't still have alice's passwords and such? disappointing if she's defending him fr
>I actually WAS underage why is jupiter/alice making it sound like shan lied about being underage? shan was a fully grown woman and never claimed otherwise. creepo jupiter is the one who slid into her dms saying he thought she was 16.
No. 2016080
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>>2016064>are we sure jupiter doesn't still have alice's passwords and such?AYRT that's exactly what i suspected; i wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he used her account to reply to himself
it was kinda suspicious to me how long he took to reply to the post meanwhile he was almost immediately responding to the two other comments at the time (limited comments). interestingly enough, it seems as though pictureplane deleted their immediate comment in support of him.
No. 2016232
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Jupiter’s text convo to alice where alice expressed that Jupiter treated her badly / used her
/vs “Alice’s” comment on Jupiter’s post
No. 2016458
>>2016330I'm not sure if they can't both be true. Realistically, Ethan shouldn't have been hanging around Alice when she was that young (as much as I loved CC), and I remember the really old emails with their manager when he said Ethan can't keep doing shit like breaking her phone. I agree that I'm not sure anymore if 110% of her original statement is true, but I believe that he abused her and don't think it's worth nitpicking much more at this point.
The drama involving Jupiter is giving me secondhand embarrassment though. I fully believe that he just sniffed out Alice's vulnerability back then and is now dragging Ethan into this to divert attention from being a creep himself. Like, the users mentioned above on the CC subreddit (like anti_quate) have hundreds of posts obsessively replying to everything and trying to disprove everything recent while insulting Ethan. No normal fan would care enough to do this shit.
I can't really comment on Alice anymore, just sad that she and her career have been tossed around by these people her entire life
No. 2016497
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>>2016330remixed_rewired posted this phone call between shan and jupiter, and jupiter says he is worried alice will "ethan" him.
>jupiter: you've gotta turn me into this villain and that's fucking bullshit>shan: that's not it. well, why did you say you were scared that she would "ethan" you? that is triggering as fuck, for example. that's fucking weird ok?>jupiter: i said that because i was scared that that's what she was going to dodoes that mean jupiter knows that alice's ethan statement was at least partially twisted/exaggerated and worries she will lie about him? or does that mean jupiter knows he's actually done things as bad as ethan that could come out?
>>2016458i'm also thinking it's somewhere in the middle. there's no innocent reason for a 25 year old man to innocently hang around a 14 year old girl. even if maybe some of the statement was exaggerated a bit, there was clearly some level of abuse and manipulation. jupiter picked up on alice's vulnerability because he also had bad intentions and abusers can sniff out traumatized women who dont have a sense of normalcy in relationships as theyre easy targets. he wasn't a good person for fighting with ethan over alice on tour. both of them are pedos who fixate on young girls, so both of them calling each other pedos all the time is both true and also lowkey projecting - they see the sick degeneracy easily in each other because theyre really just the same person. and both of them probably do not think they have done anything wrong personally, or at least that they are not "as bad" as the other.
this post from a year ago
>>1665895 was spot on imo
>Jupiter and Ethan are both manipulative abusive creepy retards who have long lasting beef and keep trying to make each other look bad. there’s so much dirt on both of them that they’re both flinging shit at each other until both of them are completely visibly covered in shit. wrongdoings on both sides are obvious. No. 2016741
>>2016458 He (Ethan) was absolutely proved to be a loser and groomer hanging around barely legal scene girls to make up for his wounded masculinity. My problem is Alice wanted him and CC to totally cease to exist (which is what more or less happened) based on this specific version of reality which is turning out to be not true. I remember the byline for years from the Alice camp was that Edith was an empty bimbo ex model that Ethan picked as his replacement because she was such nonentity that he could have absolute control over her. That didn’t turn out to be true so what else isn’t true? One of the accusations Alice made about Ethan was that he stole her ideas, didn’t credit her for what she did in CC and told her she was replaceable. Maybe he had actually told her “tough love” style that she wasn’t a good musician and her best fit was as a front woman. These are things Jupiter seems to have said as well and something she has a particular
triggering reaction to (re: her absolutely losing it at grimes for using a sample similar to something she wanted to do) .
People should have had the choice to “cancel” Ethan/CC based on what he really did and not what may be a very faked narrative.
No. 2017043
>>2016999No? Both are groomers and liars, one pretended to be "against" that initially but has been proven to engage in the same behaviors. Why do you need at least one of these
abusive, shitty old men to be salvageable so bad?
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what a faggot kek
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>>2017670fairly certain his real name is actually jupiter. full name being Jupiter Hoover-Keyes (this name is registered as the agent on alice glass' LLC, so its probably legit? maybe he legally changed it at some point? no idea.)
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>>2017674also this made me kek when searching around
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>>2017677not me going on reddit after this thread to boredom scroll and a recommended post was about hoovering in
abusive/cluster b relationships KEK
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>>2017677god he's such a loser that it kills me inside, at least her career went well with Ethan. I know a lot of people call Alice cringe now, but when I met her after a show not that long ago, she didn't remotely use the baby voice or put on the cutesy act when talking to us. Her personality was basically the same as in CC interviews. I wish we knew how things would've gone post-CC with someone decent at her side
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more from the cc archives
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Nonnies I don't know if you guys follow @remixed_rewired on insta but they posted a shit load to their stories. I'm skipping most of the stuff involving Shan and sageing this post but there are some things I didn't know about Autumn that I'll post unsaged in a sec.
This is not a self post I swear lmao. they just put out really well put together stuff and its helpful. I feel like they brush over ethan meeting alice at 15 tho and some stories dogging on metoo I don't agree with, but its a good start for anyone who is confused. I hope the formatting doesn't fuck up, if the text is too small let me know and I'll type it out for you nonnies.
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the stories have pics of ethan and alice's emails between eachother as well. Jupiter being a mod on the CC subreddit makes a lot of sense now too.
Tho in the emails ethan says they agreed living together would be bad and they agreed to live separately. I'm so curious on why
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Ok here is the stuff regarding Autumn (ethan's ex gf) timeline is alice > autumn > edith (assuming ethan is dating/dated edith). Unsaged because I haven't seen this info before.
No. 2029248
>>2027602It’s not shady, it’s just the truth. Ethan probably didn’t do anything. Sucks that he got hit with fake accusations, and now that things are coming to light, it’s kinda
sus how all these claims can be easily debunked. Plus, it’s pretty obvious Dana, Autumn, and Jupiter were just chasing clout
(unsaged whiteknighting retard) No. 2029450
>>2029248Autumn was literally 15 years old when Ethan messaged her and also met her. She was a teenage girl obsessed with crystal castles and Alice glass especially. A young girl who was a fan isn’t clout chasing. She met her hero, who took advantage of that fact. In no world is it ever okay for a man in his 30s (at the time) to speak or even start a relationship with a teenager. You can even find her old blog where she talks about him and she was either 14 or 15 at the time.
Either way, Ethan is a creep and preying on young vulnerable mega fans who happen to be teenagers is never ok. There’s an email where Ethan did indeed throw Alice’s cell phone out the window while they were fighting and driving at the same time. You don’t need that much proof that he is awful just from the mere fact that a grown man started a sexual relationship with a young girl not even out of high school yet
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>>1662298arsonaffinity (previously mentioned in other threads here) also supports jupiter
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>>2031022arsonaffinity also
No. 2031198
>>2031022this person is so unhinged and schizophrenic what the fuck KEK. there's more than enough proof jupiter is a freak but that aside, if a
victim getting attention off an allegation proves it's fake, what can they say about alice's entire solo career being trauma
victim core for like 10 years (thanks to jupiter's puppeteering)? wait does this retard think die antwoord is innocent too?
i hope shan keeps doing what she's doing and she's smart for not having a social media presence, but i almost want the jupiter diss track to happen No. 2031352
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>>2031198>>2031229Her instagram is shanisabell, she's been posting stories about this now.
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Someone (probably Jupiter himself) made a burner account just to share that Tumblr post in a bunch of subreddits, and this being the top comment on r/indieheads made me laugh
>Jupiter is irrelevant
kek, truth
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>>2031022arsonaffinity about Shan and jupiter (I couldn't archive this, so I hope this screenshot is readable)
She and her friend under the nickname lilcannibal on tumblr are trying to exonerate jupiter, but they don't provide comprehensive evidence (for example, they claim that shan corresponded with ethan, but that's just their words, no screenshots or anything else they show). Everything else they show is petty accusations against Shan, their petty quarrels that have nothing to do with the real conflict with Jupiter.
If it's possible then make a thread about arsona please!
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alice apparently leaked her reddit account to shan. its since been deleted.
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>>2091232cc archive also posted this on their story
No. 2091330
>>2091232hoping its jupiter, otherwise alice is one of those
victims fully groomed by their abuser. and shes shown her mental immaturity before. wouldnt be the first cow like this
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untitled profile/bodydecay/fetus_fatale just dropped an absolute wall of text. sorry for the lines on the screenshots, my browser extension is being a piece of shit.
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>>2092136you might have to open the image in a different tab to see it clearly
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>>2092139>>2092136Man she just sounds so stupid in these.. She didn't seem that way years ago.
If this is what drugs and severe abuse does to you that's really sad.
(necro) No. 2107202
>>2106984man shut up. You're not in academia, your speech is a weapon, and you're using it to take one side, you're taking the side of a reliably guilty abuser.
You may think you're very smart with all your nuances, but this is not a case study to learn something new, it's real gossip that's going to be read online and will have real repercussions.
Now that you now this, you can take on the following stance "I am defending an abuser because I like his shitty repetitive consoomer music"
>ethan isnt currently abusing herit's the little things
(sage your shit)