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this thread needs up to date pictures.
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Margaret can continue to buy expensive sausages at the airport if she visits Roppongi a couple of times a week and gets familiar with that kenyan sausage.
Venus looks better with brown hair than with that bleached blond; brown hair makes the color of her eyes pop.
The best revenge is that Margaret will look like shit no matter what.
Agreed although in the "Ariana Grande ponytail" (or w/e it's called) video someone posted in the previous thread she did look nice with her blonde hair, but yeah, overall darker hair colors seem to fit her type better
sage for slight OT
Nope, you're not. When I first saw the picture, I thought something along the lines of, "Holy shit, she's plotting murder."
But what we got instead is so much better.
I'm not happy Venus is hurting (needless to say, nobody deserves that shit), but I'm happy to see Margo finally losing the last grip on sanity she had.
AND WE GONNA LET IT BURN BURN BURN BURN
WE GOTTA LET IT BURN BURN BURN BURN …
Did Margo actually say anything about this expensive sausage, or was it just from one of the troll accounts that popped up today.
Either way Margo with a mouthful of sausage while going into river is the perfect visual.
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It was a troll account.
So far there has been:
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I hope we get more photos of Venus enjoying life with Manaki, his family and new friends like this one at her language class in Korea not long before she left. It's actually a relief to not see Margaret there.
she might have connected her youtube to another bank account
even if it was attached to the old one, margo doesnt have access to it because venus has the card
My feeling is Venus has got things sorted out in that respect, and I reckon that's why she's announced the merch and made the video. I doubt Margo can log in, or will receive anything.
IMO Margo only has control of the things she already snatched - the twitter for example.
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I'm starting to wonder if Maggy told Venus something about Manaki which angered her.. Made her break up and change the titles of their videos together.
Remember when Maggy said that Manaki hit on her? Somehow I doubt that ever happened. But it makes me wonder what kind of lies she could have been telling Venus, and she believed them at first?
Most likely. She probably did a "mother knows best" rant about Manaki and poor Venus got brainwashed with her endless lies in the beginning.>>234666
How she looks here and the outfit she posted recently on IG really suits her as it's a mature cute look. I think she got tired of going for the super kawaii dolly attire as well.
As I went down in the river to pray
Studying about that crazy NPD way
And who shall wear the kawaii crown?
Good Margo drown on the way!
O farmers let's go down
Let's go down, come on down
O farmers let's go down
Down in the river to pray
I went into river, what did I see?
Doll-eyed Venus swam with me
A bag of my belongings and Svarovski stones
All the things I used to see
All my fans were there with me
All my past and futures
And we all went to Japan in a little row boat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
Thanks Anon! Though I gotta say I enjoy their later stuff too, TKOL gets a lot of negative reception but I thought it was quite good too (sorry for the OT)>>234690
Oh goodness, please look around for Margo! Check the toilets and showers too if you can.
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I just looked down and realized I'm wearing the exact same shoes as Venus in this photo lol. >>234702
Seconding this. She probably is sitting in a nice hotel somewhere plotting ways to get back at Venus and trying to track her down. Possibly also thinking of ways to murder Manaki without leaving any evidence behind.
lifestylers just don't know when to turn down>>234682
I'm pretty sure that if she's quiet then she's found something better to do. That means either stalking venus or whoring herself out to stay in nipnipland so that she can stalk venus. if she were talking to the cops/making any progress we would have heard about it.
Who knows, maybe she got arrested, kek
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Latest IG post from Venus. No reply from Maggot yet.
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underated art from the last thread.
They vary for different nationalities in different countries, anon. As an Aussie I can go to the US or Schengen (in the EU) for 90 days as a tourist without a visa. That is specific to my nationality and those areas.
I don't know what an EU citizen (Margo=Hungarian) has to do for a visit to Japan, but it is probably pretty open when it's a short visit.
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It will be fine, farmers. Manaki is on his native turf, they probably have some sort of support from his parents, and they are much better able to deal with the police than crazyass maggot. Go to sleep! Insomnia will make you mental and you could end up like Margo. We'll watch over them.
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You're cruel but I love you best, anon.
Is anyone else reminded of the mom in Black Swan?
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Magoo is more of a bargain basement Barbara Hershey tho. But it's the same kind of absolute control, infantalizing, creepiness.
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There's people who have a busu-sen fetish, and who only get excited by ugly women.
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Thanks! I should watch that again while we wait for Margo to resurface from the river.
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Sage for samefagging but the resemblance is uncanny.
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DON'T YOU DARE RUIN TREE SLOTHS FOR ME.
Woman gets knocked up, loses her "dreams" and aspirations, has to raise the child instead, then lives vicariously through that child.
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Doesn't Maggot realize that when people just started saying that she looked nice and even beautiful, they were just being kind to her for Venus' sake? As in: if you want someone to like you, you'll be nice to their mother.
I've never spent much time reading the Venus threads because I'm not into weeb and I always found her annoying
I just watched her latest video and it's given me a lot of respect for her. She shows maturity I've never seen before. I always thought of Marg as the cow and felt really bad for Venus. After Courtney Love, Margot is the last person I'd want as a mother.
Venus' relationship with her bf is still really sketchy to me, but … all I wanted to say is that I wanted to comment in this thread to say I admire her strength and I'm fucking relieved she got away from her mother. I'm not surprised she's lost weight dealing with what must've been brewing.
Soooo…there you go. My 10 cents.
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For reference, these are the pics margo deleted.
For those of you that are curious, yes, the nude is still up. These are not the actions of a sane woman.
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Margo is alive y'all
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Did anyone post this? She posted on KEEMSTAR's video.
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Pic related: Keemtard's fans.
I think his fans proved to be numskulls long before..they just need to be pointed by Keem into one direction, follow his lead without using their own brain and go bash on someone. People who subscribe a channel like Keem's are obviously not from the smart side.
I don't get how his channel has so many subscribers anyway.. i mean all he does is fame sucking off popular youtube channels by mentioning them in his videos. But i guess there's too many idiots in this world
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Found it, here: >>232178
Yeah but it felt weird to write "husband". I still think of him as a weird stalker figure, some visa extender and those videos where they look so uncomfortable together. I didn't even like writing he was her bf.
As much as a bitch it makes me sound, I hope he's just a stepping stone for her for now. He creeps me out and it's like he's yet another bizarre person she's got in her life again.
Sage because it's not new news in the unfolding drama (all this is going to affect her mentally at some point. It's too sad).
Very strange, because if Venus were born in Switzerland she would automatically be granted Swiss citizenship. My likeliest guess is that Margo was working in Switzerland illegally (Switzerland is not in the EU and Margo would need a work permit to live here legally) or otherwise have some sort of temporary visa, but had to return to Hungary to give birth - hence, Venus being Hungarian.
Still odd that she speaks Swiss German to Venus instead of her native language though.
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not anymore margo
watching this again makes me so angry, maggot proabably sat down with her before hand and told her what to say and if should couldn't answer to just be quiet.
Kinda hilarious that Venus is in white and Mayo in black
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Am I the only one who thinks this is just a huge scam…?!
>Penus needs to get a Visa in order to stay in Japan and be relevant to weebs
>Penus tries to be popular like Kota but nobody cares about her
>Penus needs a japanese dick in order to stay in Kawaii Land and the only visa she can get it's a spouse visa
>Penus officially starts to date Manaki hoping her weeb fans will find her channel more interesting now that she has a rich japanese boyfriend and her life it's all kawaii and sugoi
>She starts to loose a big part of her fanbase due to Manaki (pedo fans, smart people who knows she's doing this for Visa)
>Fakes a broken relationship with Manaki while secretly arranging a marriage
>Marriage pic on Instagram
>problems with documents for marriage
>Penus goes to Korea with mom while trying to resolve the whole situation. Since they're not able to go back to Japan so easily, Penus tries to appeal to koreaboos and begs for money
>Marriage can be done! She can go back to Japan, hooray!
>Mom knows pedo fans will start hating Manaki because he's stealing their forever virgin loli aidoru, so she sacrifice her image in order to let people start loving their walking-visa.
>Since people on lolcow and PULL always said they don't hate Venus but her mom, Margo starts to act the part of the ogre we always imagined in order to give the image of an indipendent, brave and smart princess to her precious living doll. Manaki is now the prince charming all the little weeb fans are dreaming of because he helped Venus to escape from the worst parent of the year (teenage dream)
>The dramu starts and everyone is interested, haters included.
In the next episodes:
>Venus begs for money again and thanks to her brand new fanbase + the old one she finally reaches her goal
>She gives her mom all the money. Margo can stay in Japan now, until she finds a desperate sugar daddy.
>It's time for a fake reunion. Everything it's forgiven now
>Happy ending in Japan.
whoops the video wasn't supposed to be there just forgot to delete
fuck off your tumblrness triggers
You left your tinfoil hat at home, anon.
Neither Margo nor Venus is smart enough to engineer this and the amount of shit being slung around far exceeds the potential gain
The whole relationship with Manaki it's something we didn't expect from her. But hey, she gave her precious daughter to a random japanese fan.
They're thristy for money and fame and nobody cared about Venus before dramu started.
When Venus actually gets to answer questions, it sounds so rehearsed.
You know Margo told her exactly what to say.. she had full control of every aspect of her life. So sad.
I think it doesn't matter as long as Venus gets a new, larger fanbase (which means extra money). Now everyone had the confirm that every mistake she did in the past was because of Margo, her image has been totally restored.
Same thing for Manaki who changed his reputation from "pedo stalker" to "the perfect soulmate for Venus".
This is the type of consultants and planning only Justin Bieber was able to afford.
Pls stop trying to make this conspiracy theory happen.
I'm just adding some "real life" to it.
Life's not a "Disney princess" movie, you know…a person with the same background as Venus can't be saved from a random guy from kawaiiland she knows from such a short time.
I can see where you're coming from RE: lack of money and desperation, but you're forgetting 1 incredibly important factor: Margo would NEVER make herself look bad no matter what. She would never sacrifice her own image, she is simply not a selfless person.
That, and Margo is incredibly stupid, she's proven this time and time again.
She also seems to lack severe social awareness and seems incapable of understanding other people's emotions, only her own.
For her to have the foresight that doing this would make them more money is beyond her intelligence and even if she did think of this she would never agree to go along with it anyway, she would probably make Manaki be the villain instead.
Life isn't a Disney Princess movie, but it also isn't a super elaborate intricate devious evil plan either. Are all of Venus' problems solved? No. Is Margo a fucking loon? Yes. End of.
Also Venus isn't that good of an actress in her new video to pull off those sort of emotions for views.
now shut the fuck up and stay on topic. Post your triggers
on Tumblr, not here. Because none of us give a shit about what type of things make you fly into an autistic rage.
Back on topic, referring to >>233863
, does Margo think that because she came up with "ideas" that Venus is not allowed to produce the merch they/she had previously discussed?
"[Venus] just writes like it came to her mind just now…" also with her "still homeless, btw" at the end makes me want to suplex this woman, I swear.
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You should consider getting together with this person. Share your conspiracy theories, make your own tinfoil hats for each other and oh yeah, GTFO
I second this. As a half austrian i must say , showing emotions in that way, like crying in front of the camera isn't our thing. I even get told sometimes rather cold and lack emotions when i meet people from other countries such as people from the us.(Venus is part austrian too btw )
I do think, however, you could see that talking int his video wasn't so easy for Venus, and she had to collect herself a few times (hence the cuts)
People also should take into consideration that Venus primarily made this video to deflect rumors and tell her side of the story. If you make a video like that and bawl a thousand times, it makes an extremely bad impression because a) you cannot present yourself as factual and trustworthy when you're obviously emotionally unstable, but that's pretty important if you want anybody to believe you and take you seriously, and b) Youtubers bawling on camera for more attention has been done to death (Onision, Shane Dawson etc.) and if Venus would have done the same in her latest video people likely would have taken it less seriously.
Tl;dr I think it's pretty refreshing she decided not to whore out her emotions on YouTube. The video she made was appropriate and not "emotionless". As an Internet personal it is understandable why she'd want to deflect rumors, but her thoughts and feelings are her own private matter and she is not obligated to share them with anyone on the internet.
It's because is not a realistic theory, and when people point out glaring flaws in said theory >>234888
no one ever seems to address or refute them.
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Agree, it's really, really boring. It doesn't help that those who bring the conspiratard stuff have only a precarious grasp of English. It's like reading something written by someone who's having a stroke.
Anon pls point out that where I said remembering what people have done in the past is boring?
I merely said that "this person did something in the past" does not prove anything; and I am tired of reading this argument over and over again because it's the only one these tinfoil-hat-chans bring to the table. Reading the same shit over and over again is boring.
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I'm calling it right now, if she takes her skin off Venus is a 12 foot Jewish Lizard Alien.
>drinking human blood, particularly the blood of blond-haired, blue-eyed people, seems to be very beneficial to holding mammal codes open.
Venus is at a turning point right now. Maybe she'll continue to be a lolcow, maybe not. That's up to her and her alone.
However, I am going to give her massive props for taking action and escaping her abusive mother, and for remaining civil on social media. If this is ass-licking, I'm guilty as charged. But imo she did everything right up until this point and I find that quite impressive considering how she was raised.
'I was afraid that if she got attention, I wouldn't be able to handle it'
it was about her for her all along
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the truth is out there.
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She's not a lizard, right.
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WTF is happening here
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can we shut the fuck up for a while
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We discovered why Margo's banging on about that river. She's a kappa/reptoid alien.
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What's up with the sudden explosion of shitposts? Admin-sama, clean up pls?
We need hell week more often, this is getting ridiculous.
STAY ON TOPIC, MORONS.
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O B E Y
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Venus you WILL be with mutti for now and for always
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about 5 months ago she wanted to "hanging herself from a bridge" instead of "going into river" kek
Oh man I remember this.
"Wanna kill myself, but I gotta make sure I edit really bad lashes onto this pic"
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the cardboard should've read; please save me from my mother instead
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That's not even that much of a raise.
That aside, i think the stats went up because of keemstar's video which made a lot of people who never heard of her, check out her channel. And that didn't really give Venus popularity.. quite the opposite.
Instagram does not really matter, though. Youtube is their cash cow and they need viewers more than anything. It also remains to be seen if these new followers actually stick around. They are most likely interested in the drama, not in the content they normally produce. As soon as the drama dries up they might get bored and fuck off.>>235127
I predict more videos about Japan/with Manaki. They are easy to make, are popular with weebs and have the biggest potential attracting new viewers. Watching her eat shit is boring and she has no talent for makeup, but she does have the pretty white girl in Japan with azn boyfurendo thing going for her, and if she is smart and takes advantage of that, she might do pretty well.
If she actually talked normally and genuinely like she did in that 'I killed my hamster' video and did videos about adjusting to her new life in japan as a (I presume) housewife I'd give her a sub and actually watch her channel.
She could do videos about any difficulties she has compared to living in other countries (lets be fair she has a lot to compare to and probably a lot of stories to tell), cute bento videos, trips out and about videos, fashion and beauty videos..the list goes on.
If she dropped in the occasional anecdote about the weird shit her mother got up to that'd be a bonus too.
A draw my life video would be amazing once this all settles down, too.
Sorry for the ramble. I know a lot of this has been said before.
okokokay…I know a lot of you really hate hearing the conspiracy theories. BUT, >>234923
claims no one addresses or refutes the flaws in the theories, like this one >>234888
so im going to address them.
now, I have been following and reading and commenting since before she ran away. Im still wondering why Margo hasn't deleted the hate comments, when she was so on top of it not to long ago; stated here >>234905
? Someone who wouldn't ever look bad on purpose isnt hitting the damage control button as hard. why?? Also, why hasnt she posted on her Instagram for several days now? what kind of narcissistic attention whore stops posting for several days?? Also, why hasn't Venus blocked her mom from commenting on her posts? (maybe its out of a primal love for moms idk) And why not make Manaki the villain? because they already did that story, we all know that.
I really want to believe this fantastic story, because its great to see someone escape from abuse. but It just all seems very convenient for them.
sorry for the rant.
she's still in full panic mode it seems, her cash cow broke out of its pasture - something that she was more than sure would never happen. she has no contingency plan and no clue what to do.
she has been posting comments and is probably trying to find Venus somehow.. or she's busy eating expensive sausage.
Venus did unfollow Margo, which is progress. it's difficult to cut contact full level.
>what kind of narcissistic attention whore stops posting for several days??
The kind who's managed to get their fix from another source. If she's with "friends", no doubt she's bitching about everything to them and feeding off their attention. Guaranteed she's raging privately to someone.
>Also, why hasn't Venus blocked her mom from commenting on her posts?
Because it's public. Margo's gonna go at her one way or another. If she cuts her off Instagram, she'd probably ramp up her private attacks. Keep as much of it as public as possible then there's proof for people what Margo's like when shit doesn't go her way.
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There is no conspiracy you autist. Margo is a crazy cunt and Venus finally escaped. The end.
>>235133>Why hasn't she deleted any of the hate comments?
You said yourself that she hasn't been online in a while. Margo also has a massive victim complex (everyone's bullying me!), so in a way the h8 comments might actually reaffirm her world view. Most importantly, how that Venus has spoken out she can use these comments to guilt trip her daughter, since Venus publicly accused her of abuse, which certainly contributed to the public outrage. Long story short, the hate she gets is just as convenient for her as all the asspats she received.
> Why hasn't she posted in several days?
She probably can't. It seems as if she's still stranded in Japan with no place to stay, and in one of the screenshots she explained that in Korea she only paid rent until the 10th. It is not unreasonable to assume she's in some deep shit right now. Maybe she go into river.
> Why hasn't Venus blocked Margaret from commenting on her stuff?
Because it might still hurt to much. Or maybe because she has more important shit to take care of (RE: Bank account). Or maybe because she does not want to censor Marg, as a symbol that she's telling the truth and does not have to hide anything? Because Marg commenting on her stuff actually helps her, since she's doing a great job presenting herself as a victim? To give her an outlet so that she does not go after her in private?
> Why not make Manaki the bad guy?
That wouldn't even make sense from a conspiracy theory angle. Manaki can provide japanese visa for one of them and a Japanese bf is every weeb's wet dream. Making him the bad guy is biting the hand that feeds.
> Believing that someone voluntarily left an abuser is so hard, I'd rather imagine a mother would tell her only daughter she was a mistake for a slight increase of followers on Instagram.
There are WAY more questions to refute before you try claiming it's a hoax:
Why is Margo painting herself the villain and not some rando in Korea? With Venus finishing her schooling there they could have easily said one of her classmates was abusing her or wtf ever. Why would margo post incriminating things on Venus' instagram to ruin her 'purity' shtick? Why would Margo sling insults that could directly harm Venus' image? She could have claimed Venus was bipolar or manic or something so she wasnt 'in her right mind' to run away and Manaki was taking advantage of that. Why would Margo stay in an airport rather than staying in Korea claiming 'venus/manaki took all the money so I cant even afford to try and see her woe is me'. Why did Margo's story change like 50 times? If this was so well planned out why was she so desperate and frantic?
And as I've said since Manaki was ALREADY 'the bad guy' it would have been REALLY easy to make him seem even worse:>He stalked Venus to Korea and found her at her language school and kidnapped her>He told Venus that if she didnt return he would kill himself>By being close to Venus Manaki got her bank/youtube/account info and deleted everything>Manaki has gone around japan spreading lies that Venus was a prostitute and now she gets hate mail every day (add fake Japanese tweets calling her a slut for effect)>Manaki is suing Venus because of fake marriage
if they wanted to play something extreme it would have been easy since Manaki has such a small online presence.
It would have been better for publicity if they painted Manaki as someone trying to ruin Venus because of jealousy because it would be 'A poor single mother and her daughter fighting against an evil MAN fight the patriarchy blah blah blah'
Re: Conspiracy Theory.
Yes, it is POSSIBLE, however highly unlikely.
If they were faking it, two things have the potential to happen:
1. They will get found out eventually by someone spilling the beans (family member, Mananki (if they ever break up), a friend, an anon, etc.). Stuff like that always slips out at one point or another.
2. They would be ruined. They would be digging such a huge hole for themselves that there would be no getting out and that would be the end of both of their careers. Period. That is a huge gamble and one I have doubts either would want to take.
So yes, it is possible, however based on those two things having the potential to happen, it is highly unlikely they would want to take such a risk.
At the moment, it should be taken for face value, because there is some evidence that makes this entire ordeal look real.
In time (and probably not very long) more events will occur that will prove if it is real or not.
*and one I doubt either would want to take.
And by "they would be ruined" I mean they would be ruining themselves after making a choice that would be so deceivingly slimey, it would lose any and all respect from any followers forever. That is something that just would not be forgiven, so it would be a huge risk especially considering secrets always have a way to get out.
I followed Margo on instagram because I wanted to keep up with drama, and was afraid she'd eventually go private. I'll stop following her once she stops being lulzy.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this thinking, and that a good hunk of margo's new "fans" are just following for milk/lulz.
you don't make bank of people who follow for the lulz.
i have also been leaving supportive comments for margo
not to actually support her but to keep the milk hopefully flowing if she feels supported
It goes up to '16.
Just like that gap between 2013 and 2015 is 2014, the gap after '15 is '16. Chart goes up in twos.
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Her Youtube description has changed to something more 'natural' & cute and not like a business resume in order to get more viewers, fame and fortune which Margo probably wrote when she became her momanger.
THIS is the Venus we'll get to see for once now.
Plus new videos every Wednesday and Friday too.
Dude, being a youtuber is a job. Growing up has nothing to do with making the videos she makes, you know?
I'm so fucking tired of people telling her to grow up when she evidently has done that by leaving her mother. Plus, she's 19, and he never had much a of childhood. Can you be a bit more sympathetic??
First time I've actually seen this, thanks anon. Been falling behind on Venus drama
Wow I truly feel bad for her. I want to hug her or something
There was no public update on that.
Margo referred to Venus setting up her own bank account. Who knows what happened but obviously the YT money is going somewhere that's in Venus' control.
i was reading this on my phone during my break at work. >>234710
kek i'm not a lifestyler but you made me giggle anyways.>>235155
I think Kota and Venus would actually make really good friends. Both seem really sweet and kinda shy but I'm sure they'd have an amazing friendship since both are really into kawaii weeby stuff and cute jfash.
>>235203 >Both seem really sweet and kinda shy>kota>sweet and kinda shy
How high are you?
Being a shut in doesn't equal shy
Sharla is the most boring and monotone vlogger ever
I can't stand her videos because of how boring she is
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lololol true but that would be a bit too creepy, talking about venus… she's still pretty young.
at least when he called out mira on the crap, mira was what 23?
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holy fuck ive never seen this
i need some drugs man
This made me want to start taking LSD again>>235219
I like this more mature yet still cute style on her>>235220
For her own sake I hope she's turned off geo-tagging or is wiping exif data before uploading so Margo will have a harder time tracking her down
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She's baacckkkkk guys!
I'm pretty sure she did have bruises in at least one video.
Do we really
need to go into why everything she said is either a lie, obvious, easy to prove or just plain stupid?
Narcs are SO DUMB. That's the best you got? "Well, if any of that were true, why didn't my child pack her bags and leave when she was 5, huh?! Why didn't she call her father, a man I have no contact with and have told her doesn't care about her, and who she doesn't have contact info for?! Why did I buy her anything at all, like clothes and food and pets, when she's just gonna turn around and not support me for life??"
Margo, the only people who can empathize with your position, are other abusers and narcs, because you all sound the same and your kind are the only ones who buy this bullshit.
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i'm gonna look into that
but that law makes sense tbh
Where I live it simply isn't done and people would assume that you and your husband/wife were brother and sister if you had the same last name.
I always imagined it would be really inconvenient, like do you have to get your name changed on your degrees and stuff? And getting a new passport is expensive… And then there's divorce..
i mean, it's pretty easy to explain that insert here is your birth name, thus why it's on your degree. i guess it isn't that big of a deal for people in the States? i wouldn't bother changing my name on my degrees anyways, i earned that with my maiden name, lmao.
you usually get your married surname if you take your partner's filed on your driver's license and social security card, then you may also have to update your passport if you have one.
when you file your marriage papers, the court house you file them with will have the paperwork for you to submit where they can change most of that for you or guide you in steps of how you need to complete it.
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She got into an argument with her followers and then deleted it.
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You have to be quick with the screen shots, or it's gone.
>>235330>and even after stealing I didn't hit her.
Does she want a fucking cookie for that? That's such an incriminating thing to say.
I actually have no idea what she is talking about in the first part though.
I'm beginning to wonder if Margo hasn't found an attorney, or someone vaguely sensible to give her advice. The Margo of three days ago would never delete an accusation.
Not saying she has a legal case but a lawsuit is something right up Margo's alley.
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This is boring…
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She'll finally have to experience being a responsible grown adult woman, oh however will she cope? I hope Venus sells her shit and splashes that sweet Yen on some burando.
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shes back from the river!!
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why would you do this
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As for Margaret saying she never had bruises, in this video you can clearly see bruises in several places on her arms. Pretty severe ones too, as they have turned yellow/green.
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Bruises visible on both arms in several places. Clearly she didn't just walk into something, it wouldn't be on both arms.
Magro is so fucking entitled it's making my blood boils. She acts like Venus fucking owe her for traveling to great countries and doing almost jack shit and getting paid through her daughter !
She probably had to work like what, 20H per week and lived in pretty great places. Opposed to what ? A boring 9-5 job that barely paid the bills as a single mom in Europe with occasional vacations.
I can't stand her acting like barely working as a freelance, with no boss or schedule, is a sacrifice she made for Venus. Has this woman ever really worked anyway ? I'm 99% sure magro is the kind of entitled european garbage who lives off handouts and won't settle for a boring average job because she expects to live better than anyone else.
margo could start doing sausage mukbangs
if you know what it means…
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Gaaaaaaaaaaaah thank you anon.>>235426
TBH Venus has had some really nice coords and others were just odd. I've seen far worse Itas out there. Lolita does suit her, like at the fashion show at some anime con, but I think she's not into it any longer.
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Maybe it was a code with Manaki that when she was ready for him to book her a flight to Japan that she would make a post about losing her circle lenses?
Atually now I said that, its obvious that they've been in secret contact this whole time she was in Korea anyway so I'd doubt they'd need a secret code!
That was a strange seeming video though.. I do wonder.
Or maybe her mom made her shove the toothbrush down her throat?
tbh I dont think she ate those nuggets in one sitting. She probably spent an entire day eating them imho cause otherwise we've never really seen her eat THAT much in a short amount of time. even her live mukbang was a small amount of icecream>>235433
ugh I usually hate when people do the whole 'wow draw me stuff and I just MIIIIIGHT use it' It always seems like a cheap ploy to get free art out of people but fuck me if I'm not gonna do it anyway.
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Just imagine how embarrassing it is having a mother like this. She has no shame.
Honestly, I think she has a great body for her age and I don't see any problem with older ladies showing off on their personal instagram accounts etc
It's only weird when she's wearing Venus' clothes, or tagging it #venusangelicsmom or whatever.
When I'm her age I'm going to flaunt whatever I still have too, I'm just not going to be a psychotic Mother Gothel whilst I do it.
I agree. Some people on IG also keep saying she's "almost 60," but she's in her early 40s.
She is a vile person but her body isn't disgusting or anything.
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Ever heard of spinach, broccoli, kale, lentils? Even IF she were vegan or vegetarian, as long as she wouldn't live off of fucking oreos, she'd be fine. You can get iron from plants.
And it's pretty obvious that Margo probably did abuse venus.
Leave it. Keem's 12 yr old fans already moved onto something else.>>235555
Just cause other people's abuse isn't severe as yours doesn't make them liars and it doesn't make you a special snowflake. You care enough to post you got punched in the jaw even though you could've just as well skipped that detail, do you want attention? Sorry you had shit happen to you, but you're not special for it. Venus could have been abused too.
I am anonymous and I need a space where I can blog lol. I dont really care but I just dont consider petty abuse abuse tbh.
At the end of the day my post doesnt matter and there still isnt proof. Yall should stop already.
key word in your story "he". was it your father? or a boyfriend? if it was a significant other then you were an adult and had a choice to be with them. venus was underage until recently and didn't have a choice. even when she did turn 18, she was stuck in a foreign country and had no way to make it on her own. even now, without manaki she'd be stuck with her mother. emotional abuse can make you feel just a worthless and shitty as being beaten to a pulp, and is no less damaging psychologically, especially when its from a parent.
tl;dr fuck you
>>235560>I dont really care but I just dont consider petty abuse abuse tbh
Fucking hell! Any abuse is abuse.
Abused by their own mother especially hurts one way or the other. The one person who you should suppose to be safe with , hurting you, physically or mentally is always painful.
wait, how do you know the friends are in japan?
i asked if an anon knew what language they were speaking, and somebody guessed something slavic, which seems bout right.
Oh I had no idea, sorry! I thought Venus paid for the language school in advance so even if Margo was left without money, her school would still be paid for>>235586
Just thought if she went to a different country she would've announced it by now, you know how Margo can be. But yeah maybe she ditched Asia completely in which case I really wonder what she's gonna do now
oh goddamn that's probably what happened tbh
i wish she would leave japan already
how has her taxes or constant visas not caught up to her yet?
no, it isn't.
it shouldn't be normal any parent to emotionally and mentally control their child, hit them and use them as a cash cow.
in this day and age no one wouldnt consider Margo's level of bullshit abuse. Considering what margo has said in public imagine what she has said and done in private. im from a country where its mainly black people so a child getting beaten when its a shit is common but theres an obvious line between discipline and abuse. discipline usually stops when the child is in their teens and sure as hell stops if the kid is bring in money.
The fact that Venus was Margo's only income is honestly all the proof i need to say that shes abusive. any good parent wouldnt put that kind of pressure on their child. imagine how many times margo told venus she had to do a video or she couldnt eat
I think because there's no new milk and people are getting bored.
sage because not really about Venus.
Also, beating your kids for "cultural reasons" doesn't make it any more acceptable.
well she's swiss right? not sure about switzerland but spanking your kids at younger age is common in germany, and i bet as switzerland as well.
but Venus was already too old for that type of discipline.
The thread is a mess. No1curr about your abuse. We even made a containment thread to stop people treating Venus' thread like their personal blog but they don't get enough attention there so they're still coming here.
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Can everyone just stay on topic? If you're bored then go and shitpost on /b/ instead.
If Venus DID have damage to some severity, she obviously isn't going to make a video with a black eye or some shit. I'm actually surprised the bruises weren't covered with make up or something. Since it looks like they're healing maybe she forgot or didn't notice.>>235560
Seriously go back to Tumblr. Admin please.>>235598
I believe in Hungary it's a bit more common in the US. I would think it's not to the point of burising though… Something like spanking your child. Just because it happens there doesn't mean it's okay though, and Margo abuses Venus emotionally. We've all seen that.
Margo keeps posting and deleting as of yesterday but I keep missing it. How long until she goes into the river?
M-m-mother Palermo? Is that you? You can't read I never mentioned a jaw.
But I am going to report you because I feel threatened by you. I am sorry.
Seek anger management and stop abusing your daughter and others.>>235638http://youtu.be/WAvjFUFKxeQ>>235634
I-I have a home. But are you homeless? I hope you get a home ASAP.>>235632
T-t-thanks. May you become a nicer person!
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New Venus post. Nothing too interesting yet. Maybe Margo will post a comment without deleting it.
I just want to point out to posters like this and other people in this thread that my mother used to slap my face all the time, hard enough that my cheek would turn red and my eyes would water. Once the red would fade there would be absolutely NO visible sign that she was hitting me, but she did it often and it did hurt.
Expecting victims of abuse to "prove" that they are "actually" being abused by showing wounds or bruises is sick.
RICH OLD MEN LOOKING FOR PALE VIRGIN SUGAR BABIES?!
margo die pls
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"On my birthday my mom wrote me unfriendly… unfriendly comments on instagram…"
I had to pause the video when I heard that. Like, what? Oh my god? Margo.>>235680
Around 4:40 she talks about it.
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milk aint flowing right now, its just my tears that are flooding the place up
Margo threw a fucking knife at her!!!!
And Venus just tells it as if it is the most normal thing a parent would do. That shows that she must have gone through a lot of insane crap with Margo.
I'm even more angry at the old hag now that i saw the video
Two-faced bitches. Venus should keep her issues to herself and fix this in private. One thing I can say is that you should never please your enemies. In a few weeks after mayo's drama is old we will all laugh at Venus only. Venus is so naive.
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Reposting this glorious fanart of margie marge
Oh wow maybe JUST MAYBE people can change their views and opinions when facts present themselves???
You expect us to be cunts to Venus when MOST of the threads have always been assuming that her shittiness was actually Margo when we started spotting the difference in their typing???
Or were we MAGICALLY supposed to know that Margo was forcing Venus to do a lot of stuff and using her account to type things?
Should we have magically referred to posts made on the twitter and instagram under the name Venus Angelic as Margo?>>235702
also shut the fuck up you're the tumblrite to assume that we're all unchanging in our views at least sage if you're gonna shit post
Margo is a MONSTER. She's one of the worst parents I've heard of since… Not getting into that. Wanting to sell your own daughters VIRGINITY TO A MILLIONAIRE?!?! What the fuck kind of disgusting bitch does this?!?!
This is the worst thing I've heard of a mother doing. Everything Margo does screams insane bitch. Poor Venus.
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Sleep with one eye open
gripping your pillows tight
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Jesus fucking christ
now imagine that thing coming at you with a knife
I'll readily admit that Venus has more balls than most of us
Much better thought anon, her buffness just made me think of the video and I totally forgot about what happened at the end.
Mana and Venus, go get buffed.
They got physical at the airport and security had to separate them, at which point Venus escaped
Not sure if Margo was haunting the airport for 3 days though. Can Nippon farmers perform an exorcism?
I don't care what you all say but I will always take the side of an abused child.
I think Venus has been brave as fuck, I lived with abusive parents until 20 because I just didn't have the courage to leave.
She did this in a foreign country and had to even solve the money problems etc by cutting her own mom off. Wow.
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These arguments is why this thread is turning to garbage. You're stupid and can't read, or just bait.
Please leave, nobody cares that you want to be a sugar baby for some old European guy. That's not even anything close to what Marg had planned for Venus. There's a difference between an adult making the decision to be a dependent to some wrinkly rich guy and being raised from birth to be a pure virgin dolly toy to some creep by your own mother. gtfo
yass tell her.
So what is now Margo up to? I've lost the track of what posts she posted/deleted and where is she…
>>235750>blcks>no context of your statement
river is callen
>>235751>>235750 deleted kek
"Either there are wannabe blcks in this thread or actual blcks.
Lmao double shitpost fail
Racist, can't post for shit AND is a lazy fuck who'd get on with an old man for that easy dolla.
It's truly awful.
I can't imagine how many girls couldnt escape their margos…
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stop feeding the troll
I'm a lesbian no thank you>>235756
Oh I dont agree with that straight whore but no one uses the word bitch besides blCENSOREDcks and wannabe blCENSOREDcks. and that meme >>235747
Jesus christ why?? Why did you think it was something we would post on here? Back to lipstickalley or something with you, blCENSOREDck tumblrina.
You must be new here.
Did I trigger
you? Bit bitchy huh?
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Would Mr. Palermo care even if he knew his daughter was being abused?
Her mom studied?? what??the??fuck??
probably didnt do much since for a few months. oh shit
She's been to Spain as well afaik. Tenerife, 3 yrs.
Yeah… and when she said "after talking to some people I realized this was NOT NORMAL." Wonder if that means she's getting therapy over there? Or maybe she's just talking to SANE people. jfc
I can't get over how matter-of-fact she is in these videos and on IG. No melodrama at all. Go Venus!
Just subbed to her channel and gave both her most recent videos a thumbs up. I didn't even care about her videos before but the way she has been handling this drama impresses me way too much. She is quite mature for her age and it's actually pretty sad that she was never able to show this side of her before because of her shitty excuse for a mother.
I don't care what y'all think, I'm gonna support Venus from now on (unless she fucks it up big time of course). Also, I fucking knew
it that her mother instigated all this shit with the GoFundMe campaigns and dragging Manaki's name through the mud. I'm sure Margo is also majorly responsible for all the broken friendships/business relationships Venus could have had in the past. So happy that Venus sees through her BS and realized that her mother's behaviour is not normal at all. I hope Venus will it keep it up, I'm optimistic tho.
I subbed too. I sent her a little drawing and a few personal messages a few days ago, it's sappy but I wanted to cheer her up a little on her birthday.
She comes off, to me, as a very strong girl that doesn't want to sit around and mope about her situation. While some of her fans are undoubtedly babying her in comments, she still needs to know she's got support. Also, seeing as her content will be different without Marg behind the camera yelling at her between cuts, I don't feel like subbing to her now after the split is wrong or out of pity.
15:01 showed Margo true nature "your mother will answer the quest for you bc you're not smart enough to do so. That's what your mother thinks"
That was a brilliant interview and I onot hope Venus can keep fleeing away
please stop trying to fall for the dumb ass bait oh my GOD>>235810
i found he insufferable before, but now i'm starting to like venus
this has been an interesting past week tbh
3:12 onwards is very mild behaviour for Margo, but it's a good example of a) how she constantly put Venus down and made her feel dumb even though b) Venus does clearly speak/understand English better.
"But you don't wear jeans… but this was the question" /sneering laugh
Except, it wasn't. Venus was doing a much better job of answering.
she also insults people with aspergers so i dont understand why anyone would have sympathy on this bitch.
both her and margo are shit. they'd do anything for attention
i'm not baiting nor trolling.
i just can't trust venus. she knows she's been losing subscribers so now she's trying to gain subscribers by acting like a victim, not that she's worse than her psycho mother
her mother is psycho but im not going to side with venus just because you think she's a little delicate flower.
she's a fucking adult. she needs to grow up and get over it. her psycho mother surely fucked her up, i doubt venus is a good person because of her mother.
why is everyone feeling bad when all of you have been insulting venus since she was 13 with her weeaby cringe-worthy videos but now you know she has a psycho mother you act as if she was perfect and margo was the only one evil here.
Ever thought when venus read all the comments 4chan and lolcow made, she would cry and be hurted?
her mother is the worst but i think we're all bad.
i dont understand why anyone who was truly abused would say it aloud, let alone make a fucking youtube video.
either you're SUPER courageous or just lying.
>she needs to grow up and get over it.
but… that's what she's doing? she left her mom and moved in with her husband. She's trying to get control of all her accounts and get her stuff back. she's clearing up the confusion her mom caused with her crazy ass posts.
what the fuck else does Venus need to do?
*at this point.
She literally just got away from her mom a week ago, anon.
Venus never said a hint about her abuse and her mother "hitting" her but now she makes a fucking youtube video about it? lmao sure it's real
i just think since you're traumatized, it'd takes you months (now she's away from her mother) to say it but maybe it's real too
i've known some people who were raped and the next day, they told it to someone.
i have no idea how they were able to did that but damn.
it's just unusual tho
>>235881>implying someone that has a different opinion is margo
margo's english is too fucking bad and i doubt she would know how to reply
"I trained speaking. Dont hit me!"
Didn't Marg write the descriptions herself?
true but i don't 100% trust venus nor margo.
i mean both are exaggerating to make the opposite look bad
It all makes sense.
Her mom kept her out of public school so venus wouldnt be TOO smart or have access to TOO many other people. She wasnt allowed friends, her mom always sabotaged those relationships. She was denied every opportunity to have someone in her life that'd make her realize that being abused was wrong and that her life shouldn't be that way.
She was kept away from males to preserve her innocence. She was probably never given sex ed other than "don't do it or I'll kill myself". Her mom watched over her like a hawk going as far as making her share the same bed. That way she can always be sure that Venus was still a virgin.
All of that to sell her off. Her mom wanted to sell her to the highest bidder. To someone who could do anything they wanted, because they'd know that Venus DOESN'T know what's wrong with being abused. She would have been handed right over to some creep and that creep would have just continued beating her into submission and Venus would have thought that was ok because thats what her mother did and no one ever told her it was wrong. No one ever had the chance.
Venus's mother is disgusting. Filthy. She treated her daughter like less than a dog. Told her that without Youtube she would be forced into prostitution…as if her mother wasn't trying to prostitute her all along anyway. Fucking sickening.
i have a hard time understanding her because of her accent
i'm the opposite, haha, i think the dark hair looks good
when it was blonde you could see how damaged it was the past few months? but it wasn't ugly
Well way to assume everyone reacts to abuse identically, anon. Sage for personal blog, I was also raised by a borderline / narc and I got the fuck out before my 18th birthday and told everyone that bitch was crazy. A lot of us learn to disassociate, and that shit doesn't catch up for a while. It took 15+ years for me to start to confront / be overwhelmed by the magnitude of damage. Before that I was laughing to the bank at my freedom.
So the way you or I or anyone else reacts to their abuse doesn't mean shit. It's not a one size fits all reaction.
I agree. her hair looked damage.
i'm surprised it now looks silky.
i guess she's not using heat anymore?
i'm genuinely curious.
1. why would you tell your everyone your mother was abusive, considering there's high chance people will not believe you?
2. isnt it something to be ashamed of?
like i dont go around telling people i was raped because a lot of people will judge you harshly or it's kind of a taboo
dude that one maggot posted where her hair was in a bun was so nasty
like looking at it made me cringe
i'm kinda curious to why she wasn't washing it or really taking care of herself?
but at least now in manaki she seems to have like, proper hygiene
small steps, penus
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She even typed it out on the video
i'm curious to the prostitute part
i have no doubt margo would say something so fucked up
but she was so serious about venus being a pure virgin so even that much of an extreme shocks me
I am taking you at your word that you're curious. Being an abuse victim isn't something to be ashamed of. Shame leads to trying to hide your situation, which will keep you in it longer and make it more likely that you will continue the cycle by going on to abuse someone you love one day. Accepting that the way someone treated you was wrong and unjust helps you accept that acting abusively is also wrong and unjust. I accept that I was abused so that I can break the cycle of abuse. My mother also hid her own abuse, but it wasn't much of a secret in our family… it's no coincidence that childhood abuse often leads to mental issues later in life. Accepting abuse is healthy and ok and is nothing to be ashamed to speak of.
There's definitely a difference in "I accept that I was abused" and "I was abused, pity me, here's all the details" though. Idk if you're not seeing the difference (hint: I haven't seen the former here in this thread) but you might benefit from reading subtext a little more closely to see if someone is genuine or perhaps exaggerating.
While I'm at it, props to everyone here who has escaped from an abusive situation. I'm glad we're okay.
thank you anons! I'll try to seek help. i'm deeply sorry for being OTT
i just wouldnt want anyone to confront my mother because my family thinks i'm the evil one (because threatening your child to be adopted and to go to foster care is nice right) and they agree with her.
at the same time it's just fucked up. i cope with mental illnesses and i'm 100% sure she does too (maybe bipolar or BPD i'm not sure) but she was abused by my father (who strangled me when i was 13 smh) so i feel bad for her even though i hate her.
so far i've only told this to one friend.
also i did said it to someone and i ended up being in foster care but my foster family was fucking insane and i missed my mother (even if she was very abusive) and i was extremely stressed there too.
i just want to be 18 to fucking leave the house(underage)
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thank you anon!
i never thought i'd find support in lolcow but anons here are pretty sweet
It's very hard coping when you're under 18. Are you in the US? You may have options for becoming an independent minor if you're a certain age. Try finding your own things to do outside your family, too, like getting a job or taking up a trade. I got a job when I was a teen that helped me gain self-confidence and financial security. Or even just go to the library… anywhere to get space.
Maybe look into teen homeless shelters too in case shit hits the fan. I know it's not as comfortable as being in your room, but having a fall-back plan will make you a lot calmer if there's a big flare-up in your family, and will keep you safe. They also may be able to connect you with local therapists, counselors, and/or support groups.
i live in Canada>>235950
i'm reading this and holy shit
she ALWAYS denied hitting me or insulting me (and my older sister who left) it's so frustrating. she also gossips to her sister about me and my "problems" and thought i had aspergers? damn
everything fits on the list it's so creepy
Actually seconded, it's easier to get direct support and doesn't derail the thread.
This is so recurring in each thread we should probably include it at the top of all future threads.
thank you anon!
anyway im sorry for being OTT, back to venus.
she's in japan right? what does she want to do as a job now she's away from her mother?
Does she truly have an ED?https://www.instagram.com/p/BBeCNsVvB3h/?taken-by=venus_angelic
she claimed she didnt have on here tho
She says she doesn't but it's still generally suspected. It's understandable, not many people with ED really want anyone to know.
I hope she gets better, if suspicions are right.
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Thank you for this link. Fits Margo to a T
Also realizing more and more that this is both of my parents.
Glad Venus handled her video like she did.
Sage for slight personal bs
Venus is probably making more bank than you are.
I honestly can't imagine how some of the long term Youtubers make consistent content. I think I would get bored after awhile, even if I was really popular and making $$$$
I do hope Venus' YT goes down a more mature route now. Her cringy beauty videos were terribad, and she honestly has no skill when to comes to make up. She's better at hair, and wouldn't mind seeing more hair tutorials and OOTDs, as well as vlogs of her in Japan with her husbando. I think if she took time to refine her make up skills and didn't white wash her face so much, I'd love to watch some.
Yes anon, I know.
Why is this thread so confrontational?
lol okay. The only thing different is if your videos are shorter than a minute. Venus is OBVIOUSLY making bank. Sure they were living in a shitty place in Seoul but they were still living in Seoul, right after living in Japan/Tokyo, and buying a bunch of clothes, constantly going out and doing things, and that is their ONLY income for TWO people??? Venus obviously makes quite a bit
or are you claiming you can even more easily afford the entire life funds of two people who lived rather extravagantly a lot (not to mention visas cost quite a bit too)?
i think because others, me included, are tired of the shitposting that's been happening.
you're fine from what i can see, but the spam got irritating and made it go to shit.
you're the only one defensive as fuck so just go pls