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I don't their accounts ever were private, I've never followed them and I could always see their profiles
If Manaki supports her well, she'll probably start buying some fun things in Tokyo. Right now she looks very Korean Style, maybe she could shift to larme or something in Japan?
I hope she does blog and stuff, I can understand wanting some time to herself after this but she should strike whilst the iron is hot.
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Margo threatened to ruin her
Whats good about getting from one manipulative relationship to another? What Venus needs is to learn to be by herself, not supported by anyone else.
Now what is she supposed to do in Japan? Just be someone's wife and be trapped forever again. She needs to grow up.
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Venus is saying that she was planing on leaving margo a cake, some flowers and a handwritten note before she left. Does that mean venus snuck out before margo even got home us venus in japan already?
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They changed this thumbnail, right? Pretty sure Margo did. That shit just gives me the creeps.
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This is wild, I feel for you, Venus. My mom is a crazy, jealous manipulative cunt as well and used to threaten to kill herself if I ever left the house. She ruined every single relationship and friendship I had and if I hadn't left the house I would still be in her grasp.
Sage for blogpost, but crazy mothers can ruin your fucking life. If you have one, stay as far away as you can.
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this is amazing
" I didnt go away without telling my mom. I told her before, that I dont want to divorce to which she responded by threatening to delete my YouTube account and "ruining me". And, I decided to leave because my mom frequently says horrible things about Manaki, even to her friends. In turn they start talking mean about him too. It hurts a lot.
The main reason is, however, that my mom urged me to divorce, and of course no matter how I love my mom I also know that I will never ever find someone like Mana-Tan"
It's kind of unclear by her post. Her mother ruins everything. But it's clear Venus wants to be with Manaki.
Earlier she talked about how they never went through with the rest of the paperwork when Margo shipped her off to Korea. So I'm assuming she means that she wants to finalize the paperwork without her psycho mom there to stop her. From what it sounds like she never quite cut off comtact with Manaki like her mom was claiming.
Maybe that last breakdown from when she posted a photo of him was a wake up call to her that her mother doesn't give a shit what she wants as long as she gets to keep her and play celebrity mommy.
It's interesting to me how different their posts are.
Venus says how she didn't leave without telling her mother, and how she explained how she didn't want to break everything off with Manaki.
Margo says how Venus ran away and left her with nothing.
It's clear with her wording that Venus still cares about her mother, so I doubt she left without telling her and I highly doubt Manaki has actually taken all Margo's things and left her with nothing.
Poor little Margo finally realising her daughter is a seperate person and has a mind of her own. No easy money for you anymore Margo. Time to get a real job.
Venus should definitely take a break from the Internet (or at least just youtube) to sort herself out and settle into a life without her mother and with Manaki.
Then I think she could gain a decent fan base by vlogging about married life in Japan at such a young age. Imagine how many weebs will be desperate for her videos if she talked about this stuff. Their kawaii ticket to Glorious Nippon is to get married at a young age and with Venus' videos they can see they can be a kawaii dolly house waifu!
Or something. Either way it will be interesting to see where both Venus and Margo go from here
"Margo says how Venus ran away and left her with nothing. "
Margo is so childish, like it's pretty clear that she's lying to try and get pity.
bless u anon
margo's a real piece of work ugh
I can imagine she's going to feel guilted by Margo and send her money monthly or something. I can already picture Margo saying "venus i raised you, you owe me". Hope she doesn't let her mother ruin her life from afar.
Doesn't Manaki live with his parents though? I can't imagine her making kawaii videos without her own set up
i hope someone reports her as suicidal
Either way, Venus has massive balls for doing this. Never would have expected this tbh.
I REALLY hope she doesn't pull a Lainey and let all of us down by returning to Margo…
Escaping the cycle of abuse must be hard, Venus needs to stick to her guns and realize Margo isnt worth shit in her life
He seems more apt to be a little weird and kinda creepy than abusive. Then again she's also socially awkward and weird herself.
I truly hope everything works out for her.
Oddly enough Margo looks genuinely upset here… but how much is it true hurt over losing her daughter, to upset because her money maker ran away.
She says it's her life… does that mean she isn't going to interfere with Venus' online presence and allow her to gain full access to her accounts?
I am fully expecting the manipulation to start despite the whole "it's her life"… especially if she truly is threatening suicide
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this is all so surreal like anon said above but i'm proud of her, i really am. this makes my week. her trajectory was going only downhill, glad she worked up the courage to leave or it would be another decade of kawaii bulimia makeup vids. my mom is very controlling as well and i left home day after graduating high school, it was overwhlming but i moved in with my girlfriend, got a job and went to college a year later. it's not easy but i think she can push through this and lead a better life. her boyfriend does seem awkward but hopefully he is nice and they will be just weirdly perfect for each other
I just hope he provides a safe space for her to become a stronger person and to find a way to support herself. Pray to God she doesn't just immediately become pregnant.
I can see the kawaii baby videos now, leading her into becoming another Margo, a never ending cycle of horror.>>229414>"easy life"
Do we even know if manaki has his own place?
Sure, they'll get a lot of attention but what is turning against each other supposed to accomplish? In the past they started shit with others because they would try to present themselves as victims. How is that supposed to work here?
Is it really so hard to believe that Venus is done with Marg's shit? She's 18, didn't finish school and has like no life. She's not even allowed to have a boyfriend. Venus has been steadily losing weight and looks incredibly exhausted a lot of her recent pictures and videos. I don't doubt for a second that she has been suffering and wanted out.
After watching this again, I just feel like Venus, now she's away from her mother, will be so level-headed and a great person!
If you read this Venus, please keep going, you're doing the right thing!!
What's she even saying, her pronounce is shit.
Btw, I've been out for a week and now I'm drinking all this delicious milk. Feels good man.
The situation was getting more and more creepy, like the picture in which Venus looked like she was going to cry. I'm really really glad she managed to escape.
And Margo, jfc. Could this woman get any lower?
I made a Tumblr post that mentioned her with the hashtag #staystrongvenus
You should all join in too!
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I bet Margo is all:
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"And I'm never going to let you use me for my kawaii AGAIN!"
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Lets just hope she doesn't do anything to Manaki either
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Margo has always reminded me of the exceptionally unattractive Dorothy Kilgallen.
I think Marg is sad as a mother, but then I mostly think she's devastated because, now where does this leave her? Venus made the money. Venus was her excuse to jump country to country. Venus will get her spouse visa, but then what about Marg? This has always been why I assumed she talked Venus out of the marriage. Venus would be happy living in Japan, that's been her dream, but Marg can't stay, so what would she do? We know she's been involved in evasion among other things so can she even return to her home country? (Don't even remember where that is tbh) but either way I think that's why she's so upset over this all.
Good for Venus. Now Marg is going to be hit with reality, Venus just paid for 'university' (language school) says Marg, I believe this was done to help Marg have a reason to stay in Korea for a while longer without having the need to get a job yet. But then what? She isn't there on a work visa, so what's next for Margo?
(Sorry for blog, just what I've been thinking about since this all blew up.)
If I were Venus I would take a step back away from living doll shit and just focus on trying to became, well, human? I mean as in going back to school, getting some qualifications, finding work experience and actually getting a part time job inbetween Youtube where I am engaging with people and making new friends. Then going out more, having fun and growing as a person.
She could still do all of that in Japan. But if anything I don't think this living doll thing has done her any good. I think yeah it's opened her eyes by her viewers telling her "ya mother is a crazy fuck". Still it's just sucked away her childhood in a way.
I think Venus just needs to go live a normal life.
Also fuck her mother off too. I get she loves her mum cos yh mum but she's not healthy for her at all. It's no life. This hopping to country to country, dodging tax, weird scams and "no friendz, no bf" crack isn't a life. It's a chore and a bore.
It won't be her forever though. Few years time I think maybe she'll be a new person.
>>229542>so what's next for Margo?
International celebrity Margaret Palermo will need a way to support herself. Hopefully the Starbucks she haunts like a ghoul is hiring.
I don't know how much of the truth we're getting right now and Manaki seems sketchy as hell to me, but I'm a little proud of Venus for taking this step. It's a strange feeling.
I was thinking about that myself, it really shows that Venus obviously still cares about and loves her mom.
She could have just left her with nothing but she seems to have deliberately waited untill Margo had her visa extended and then paid for her school. It was actually pretty kind of her.
It's easy to forget that they actually are mother and daughter, and up until Manaki came into the picture, all they had was each other. We've painted Margo as this evil person, but I do really think she was doing what she thought was best for Venus, even if she was misguided. And yeah, I do think Venus did, and still does, care about Margo too. Very few people could abandon their mother, one of only two people they have, like that completely.
In the end, we're only seeing this whole thing superficially and selectively through what they choose to put on instagram and online. There's a lot more going on than we know and realise, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg
Sorry for blogpost but one thing people don't realize about mothers like Marg is that they're not 100% shit. Far from it.
75% of the time they'll be the sweetest person ever. They'll bend over backwards to help you however they can. After all, they really are protective. It's only in 25% of all cases that they'll bitch about all of your friends and boyfriend trying to ruin your relationships with them, tell horror stories about you to friends and family to make them abandon you and pull the all-time classic "I did/bought all of this for you and this is how you thank me?!"
That's exactly what makes them so hard to abandon. Unlike mothers who are 100% shitty at all times, the Margos of this world can actually be sweet, and you'll likely share many good memories together. And since you only have that one mother, you'll most likely think twice before cutting her off.
I'm pretty sure at this very minute Venus is thinking about her mother being all alone in a foreign country threatening suicide, and she'll probably recall every single nice thing Marg ever did for her, feeling incredibly guilty.
That's really tough..
NGL, although I know every bullshit Margo pulled throughout the years, seeing that video of her looking truly upset (even with the manipulative bullshit ~jumping into duh rivurr~), I felt really bad for her, probably because I thought of my own mother (she's not abusive or anything, but I just made the involuntary connection). So I can not imagine what Venus is going through, honestly. I hope she doesn't come back, though.
She does sound genuinely upset like she had been crying, but who in the fuck can feel sorry for her at this point? After all she has said and done to people, the way she brainwashed her daughter and all the stuff she deprived her from all her life, it's hard to emphasize with someone as disgusting as Margo. If she does drown herself, she won't be missed.
I do feel bad for Venus though. Having a crazy mother that's threatening to kill herself just because you decided to move out and live your own life? I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone. Now that Venus is finally free, maybe we'll get to see what kind of person she really is. I hated her because she always came off as conceited and stuck up but for all I know that was Margo's brainwashing. Hopefully now Venus can grow a personality. I remember after seeing that interview they did on that Canadian TV show, it was pretty clear that Venus realized how embarrassing and fucked up her life is. I'm proud of her for leaving a toxic life behind her.
I am 100% convinced that Margaret genuinely feels like shit right now, but due to all the things she has done to her daughter, it's impossible to really feel sorry for her.
Nevertheless, she is most likely incapable of understanding that what she's doing is abusive. From her perspective she did all these things to protect her child and give her the best life imaginable.
The tragedy is that in most cases, people like her can't be helped. If you as much as politely suggest that they should probably seek help, they will lash out at you and interpret it as a personal attack. They always think every hint of criticism is a personal attack. I remember Margo mentioned on PULL that she blocked the entire country of Hungary on their Facebook pages because she was worried about her family possibly contacting them and telling them she's a shitty parent. If people on the internet tell her to get a job, she calls it bullying. That's the kind of overreaction we're talking about. The only thing you can do is run for the hills/encourage others to gtfo and hope the only life they end up ruining is their own.
It is an insanely painful decision to make (for everyone involved), but leaving is the only sensible thing to do. Venus made the right choice. Margo is mentally ill and most likely cannot be "fixed", because people like her are literally incapable to understand what they did wrong.
My point is that it is harder to leave a mother like Margaret because they're being a genuinely good parent most of the time. In fact, that's a very important part of their manipulation strategy. They might buy you gifts for no reason or do something nice for you without being asked, but the very moment you do something they do not 100% approve of, they will pull the "I did X and this is how you thank me?!" card.
If you have a parent who beats the shit out of you every other day it's easy to tell that there's something seriously wrong, but emotional abuse is often so subtle that it might take the victim years to even realize what's going on.
This also surprised me. The interviewer is a genuine shithead, but Venus kept her composure and tried her best to answer professionally.
Sometimes I wonder if Venus actually could have succeeded for at least a year or two if it weren't for Margo. She doesn't have any talents associated with the entertainment industry, but I could have seen her secure a few modeling jobs here and there.
This looks like it was taken the same day as >>228717
, if that means anything. I guess it means that Margo couldn't see how miserable her own daughter was and that Venus isn't a good liar?
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It makes me sick knowing that people out there are so fucking dumb that they think Margaret has done NOTHING wrong and it's Venus who's at fault.
Poor Venus. Jesus christ, I knew Margo was unhinged, but I didn't realize she was this
fucked up until Venus left. I hope she can live a somewhat normal life now.
So first she uses Venus' account to post shit without her consent, then she tries to make Venus feel like shit for "abandon" her insinuating she's going to commit suicide, and now she tries to blame on Venus and says she's a manipulative daughter and a liar.
Wow, stop trying to publicly humiliate your daughter Margo, that's horrible.
Oh god this delicious milk. I hope she sheds more light on the Manaki situation. It is /indeed/ creepy as hell and even weirder that he stalked her to Disney.
That said, good on Venus for escaping an emotionally abusive situation. Leaving your own mother and fucking off to another country takes some serious guts to do.
That's exactlt what she's doing, throwing her own daughter under the bus to look like the victim. Calling her OWN DAUGHTER a liar? That SHE was bullying Margo and ordering her around?? And the sad thing is that there's so many people commenting on her ig's that 100% are on Margo's side. Someone said that she should call the cops and sue Manaki for taking her property and that Venus is an ungreatful child. Venus is a goddamn adult.
Margo is disgusting and anyone who sides with her is equally disgusting. I am so mad.
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Does she not realize this is a normal thing that moms are suppose to do and she doesn't deserve a god damn award for it
Oh my god, eventhough Venus finally escaped, she's still
intent on tarnishing Manaki's name and making her own fucking daughter
out to be a monster. Margo's too dumb to realize that she's only speeding up the process of Venus cutting ties completely. I'd never ever
go back to someone like this!!!
Im sorry I just cant make heads or tails of this fucking gobbledygook
LEARN TO ENGLISH MARGO
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Isn't it the tendency of an abuser to victimize themselves?>>229642>manaki is now her manager
why…can't…somebody just fucking love venus and care about her without it being fucking related to money and venus's 'job' margo? ffs she's acting like she just lost a business partner, not her own flesh and blood DAUGHTER.
"I preformed the basic functions of a parent, I'm such a good person"
also, is 2016 the year of the milk? Greg cheating on his girl, Venus finally leaving, hell, what's next? Ashley kicking the bucket?
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No Margo, he just helped Venus see that YOU ARE FUCKING CRAZY. We all know the reason why you denied her friendships for so long if because an outsider can easily undo all your brainwashing.
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this bitch was willing to marry her daughter off to a guy she thought was a creep, up until she realized there'd be nothing in it for her.
anyone who thinks Margo has any good in her should also drown in a river.
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Some people commented that Margo didn't allowed Venus to have friends.
Now she's trying to prove something. Hahahaha, yeah, I bet that they were BFF's
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Nobody gave a flying fuck about Venus when she was 13, she went viral in 2012 and there she was already 15.
Margo, do you even math?
It is so PAINFULLY obvious that she gave birth to fame ticket project and not a daughter. Venus has always been her "avatar" to live through. Make her interests weeby and Japan-centric. Dress her in cute clothes, tell her she's going to be a living doll, tell her she's to take pictures and make videos. Venus is a product of child grooming. Margo is only upset because her robot doll starting forming her own opinions.
Margo isn't upset about her daughter leaving. She's jealous that she doesn't get to live through her "avatar" anymore.
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Margo won't stop.
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All of Margo's supporting white knights seem to forget that her daughter is almost fucking 19, not 14.
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Could someone edit Venus in PULL banner to signify this recent event?
Also pls make Mira's skin black.
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The end/beginning of the year is always good for milk.
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I really want to punch these people. They don't know what it's like to have an emotionally abusive mom and they're defending this trash. I hope these people never breed of they think this shit is okay.
So you didn't 'goint into the river' then? How convenient.
Margaret is an awful, toxic manipulator and I really hope Venus stays away for a good.
I'd like to think of those people as encouraging the milking process.
after all, if Margo thinks she has supporters, then she's much more likely to be candid with her true thoughts and feelings than if she feels like everyone hates her and she has to go on the defensive.
at least, I hope that's the case. I can't imagine anyone can be so blind as to the situation that they'd actually encourage Margo.>>229642>who never studied anything
like you studied entertainment management, Margo? lolno wait, you were busy being a ~fitness trainer~ and fucking your boytoy from Brazil or w/e
Yep. The whole thing is sickening. I don't get why they're all taking Margo's side. Some of the nut jobs are even saying, "You don't know them personally! We can't judge people we don't know!" people do it. All. The. Fucking. TIME.
The Margo supporters are sickening, hoping Venus and Manaki breakup so she'll go running back to her. That is disgusting. Some claim to be mothers and I bet $30 they're emotionally abusive fucks like Margaret.
Margo is fucking incoherent in any language. It won't be long before she becomes more overtly threatening and unhinged.>>229725
Don't want to give her any credit, but Venus rarely ever interacts with peasants. Margo lives through social media fame and her daughter's followers so idiots like these thing she must be in the right.
She will though, she gotta go to the immigration office for visa renewals and stuff.
But if what you say is true, then I suppose it's fine, with regards to safely avoiding her mother.
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>Literally me this year already
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Thanks for proving for the nth time that the only thing you're concerned about it money!
How does she know if Venus will Youtube with him?
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Professional victim's unit.
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And WHO imprinted this Japanese obsession on her, hmm???
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She really is a textbook abuser, holy shit. "LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS I HAVE EVER DONE FOR YOU!!"
It's so weird that she keeps bringing up that she is no longer a mother and Venus is no longer her daughter. She's probably just upset that her easy life and easy income just flew the coop to live her own life.
Hopefully Venus actually stays away and doesn't go back to this batshit mess of a mother.
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>>229778>without finishing education
Because you were soooooo supportive with your daughter finishing school>>229779
Why does she keep calling her language school a uni? Anybody can just pay and attend Margo.
She wants things to seem more "upscale" than they really are. Remember, Margo deserves nothing but the best with all her "degrees!"
Really, though. Venus doesn't really loses anything from dropping out of a Korean language school but some money. She's going to probably live in Japan for the rest of her life so why would she need
Korean? Margo makes no sense.
Most mothers when their daughter runs away will most likely be apologetic, asking them to come home safely… Margo on the other hand, goes completely batshit and dashes to the internet to ruin her daughter's reputation. She is completely insane!>>229761
Also, anyone else notice the arrival of Princess Doll?
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all dis glorious milk I can't wait to see what else is in store for today
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Everyone supporting Margo's abuse are "kind and understanding people" and everyone else are just "bullies."
Margo, you use the word bully and yet you don't know what it means.
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this woman is insane.
I can't believe what I am reading right now.
How can one not feel sick writing this about their own daughter.
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>>229813>She constantly lied to me>stole from me>bullied me>had asperger attacks where she broke things/screamed/hit me/she tried to bit my finger off>drinks sometimes until she vomits>photoshops her jaw line.
One of these things is not like the others…
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What the fuck did I just read…
And why in the FUCK would anyone move all the way around the world just because their daughter broke a door??? Margo, your story has more holes than Swiss cheese!
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she will not have a role player in her home!
It's probably like :
- had asperger attacks where she broke things/screamed/hit me/she tried to bit my finger off> when she was 5-10 yo
- drinks sometimes until she vomits>like dumb teenagers partying
- She also broke her puppy's leg>by falling on it by accident
I mean, I could totally see her pulling that sort of shit.
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Yeah, Roleplayers SUCK. /sarcasm
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BITCH SHE SPOILED YOU
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i'm going to say margo probably let her drink once or twice and it made her sick, sounds more accurate.
but i don't believe the animal thing for a second. we're supposed to believe venus is violent towards little animals?? i bet her puppy never had a broken leg even.
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Aaaand she blocked me.
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Ahah I saw that! Here is her response.
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and even if it did small animals break shit easily.
my kitten broke her leg by being an over excited kitten… same things happen with hyper puppies
Hahahahah. I didn't get that notifcation. Thank you.
So she bullies her daughter but cannot take criticism. I'm literally the peachiest girl when it comes to kindness but damn this crazy lady has pissed me off.
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These comments though.
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Dr Phil: This woman is b@tsh!t crazy…
She's not even sad, she's just flat out insulting her.
Margo, you decided to have a child. Raising the child is the responsibility of a parent
. THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
I fucking hate parents like this. They resent their children just for being born.
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She's trying to compare them to ISIL now lol
forgive me for not knowing how to embed videos
but they seem happy together? it made me laugh when she was talking about him being a stalker
OH i thought you replied to the video, sorry anon
bitch is 100% crazy
">None of us knows what truly goes on behind closed doors"
but isn't it fucked up to be saying such vile things about your daughter on social media? because she left? i would rather take a gamble of manaki being some magical pedophile abuser than how fucked in the head her mother is.
> but part of me feels like she might be doing it because she's on her own in Korea and has no one to turn to/has nothing left to lose
that's not a justification for treating your child like shit and a walking meal ticket lmao
>>229903>>I don't know how to feel about Manaki
No matter how sketchy he seemed for tweeting so much at her when she was way younger + showing up at Disneyland… He isn't even half of the crazy Margo is.
The only thing that would worry me is that Manaki is all she has now, so if they don't work out.. Well I hope he's nice enough to not just kick her out.
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these drastically opposite responses sum up her entire comment section
So true. I hope she goes to a language school to get better at Japanese, attend a beauty school to get a job or something
. Just so she has a backup when her videos don't get anymore hits, you know?
It is fucked up, yeah. I'm not trying to defend Margo's behaviour because I don't agree with what she's doing. I dunno, I'm just trying to understand why she's doing this because it's just incomprehensible to me.
I don't really agree w/ the Manaki comment. I'm worried for Venus because it's really messed up that her two lines of support are her mother (who needs to get psychological help ASAP) and a dude who's allegedly stalked/been obsessed with her since she was a minor. Either way, she's ending up being dependant on people who are not suitable fits for that kind of role. This is why I wish Margo had not isolated Venus from being able to make friends.
>that's not a justification for treating your child like shit and a walking meal ticket lmao
I know. I'm sorry if my post suggested that it was because it isn't. The whole mothers managing their kids is something that never seems to work well for the child. There's no distinction or break between home and work. >>229910
Yeah, I agree. I just hope that she'll be okay and that Manaki won't harm her or throw her out.
you can't really justify or understand what this type of crazy fucking mother does. it's hard to even grasp it or know what it's like. i think most of us here agree that she's batshit.
i don't think manaki is as awful as people say tbh. but that's my personal opinion. even if she IS Dependant, she has more of a chance to live and learn to support himself with him vs her mother looming over her.
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God bless this thread.
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Damn, this was so cold.
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I sincerely hope that Venus stays strong through this, and sues Margaret's skeezy ass for slander, among other things. Actually, it is probably good she is with Manaki since his family has money and can probably help. Hell, she could even contact her birth father for backup if it comes to that.
She also needs to change her passwords on all of her accounts ASAP.
God, I want Venus to sharpen her claws on this selfish old whore. Tell her to do it herself, she's a grown woman. Oh, she can't afford it? Then she can get a job, like an adult. Margo acts like a spoilt trophy wife except it was Venus she was sponging off of instead of a man.
Margo, go fuck yourself. Get a job, stop being a psychotic twat and let Venus live her own life. You don't own her, she doesn't owe you anything, and in fact you owe her a childhood fr ruining hers by being a selfish, greedy, lazy old whore. Fuck you, Margo. I hope you end up homeless and broke because God knows you deserve it.
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I can't even imagine what Venus' life is like right now. I tried to think about how I would feel if my mother did this to me and said these things about me. I can barely understand how broken she must feel. (And I'm sure that I've acted out more and caused more headaches for my own wonderful mother than Venus has ever done for her Mother Gothel.)
The anon who brought up Venus being unable to communicate with Manaki about this has a good point. I sincerely wonder if she has anyone to talk to about this. I wonder if she is dealing with this all alone.
I've never really followed Venus much until I saw her on lolcow about a year ago, but wow; what a wild ride this has been since then. I genuinely hope that Venus can have a happy and stable life. I think she deserves that.
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Now that she's free, I hope she teaches Manaki how to blend his makeup.
Lmao she deleted this photo. I think she only did it because she saw a comment saying that it's illegal to slander someone in Korea and Japan.
Good thing we have a record of her crazy ass comments and dumbass white knights for the lolcow archive.
Margaret you are the most disgusting cunt I've ever met on the internet.
If ANYONE thinks bad about Venus now, just go.
These are obviously things she either can't do anything about and/or result from her mother's "parenting"
the hamster was probably Margo's
I believe he was called 'lemmywinks'
I hope none of you are bothered by the late response to this.
I actually don't doubt she has outbursts, but it has less to do with Aspergers and more with Margaret's fail parenting.
I don't have any caps unfortunately, but I remember on PULL 1.0 someone showed up who lived in the same house as Venus and Margo. She posted a pic of their kitchen as proof and commented that Venus and 'Mana-Tan' were still together (which was later confirmed when they announced their marriage), and that Venus has really weird and childish outbursts sometimes.
You know how 3 year-olds sometimes throw a tantrum in stores because they don't get exactly what they want? It's because they haven't learned how to deal with frustration yet. If they realize after a while that throwing a fit does not actually get them anywhere, they'll stop and accept that you can't always have it your way. Of course this process is somewhat tiresome for the parents and some decide it's easier to instead give their kids exactly what they want every single time to avoid the chimpout altogether. The downside is that your kids never learn how to deal with frustration and express it like any 3 year-old would. If at one point you end up with an 18 year-old 3 year-old, it's probably your fault. If not, it's still your fault because you probably should have fucking done something about that and sent your kid to a psychologist.
I guess Starbucks was more important, tho.
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is in reply to >>229976
Manaki is not a pedophile. People like throwing that word around because they're dumb shits who don't know what it means. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to PRE-PUBESCENT CHILDREN. I'm talking 8 year-olds.
Manaki started following Venus when she was 14 years old. That sounds kind of weird because he was like 20 at the time. Yes, it would be morally wrong for a 20 year-old to go after a 14 year-old, but one should also consider that
A) 14 year-old Venus already had tits, so if 20 year-old Manaki was attracted to her he is most definitely not a pedophile. Ephebophile is the word you're looking for here. I know it doesn't make nearly as good of an insult, but that's a fact. So no, there is no proof that suggests Manaki is a pedo.
B) He never did anything creepy, at least not publicly. Yes, he followed her, but he did not obsessively tweet her or send her any sexual shit. The only weird thing he did was follow her to Disneyland, and if I remember correctly by that time she was already 17ish. Following someone younger than you is not necessarily predatory. Anyone remember that girl with cancer who did makeup?
Not even whiteknighting this guy, just stating facts. Maybe he's an asshole, maybe he's not.
Is it possible to report Marg's insta for this constant shit? Isn't there some kind of anti-cyberbullying rule in the site's terms about singling people out maliciously?
I mean come on Margo, this is your fucking daughter. Get over yourself, slander isn't going to bring her crawling back to you, it's going to make her hate you.
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Was her wiki page always this empty? I thought it had more.
That's what's so unnerving.
If Venus did
'run away' without letting Margo know, any loving mother would be worried sick, trying to get into contact with their daughter to make sure she's safe. Instead, Margo takes to Instagram to demonize her.
this shit is lit>>229834>asperger attacks
she makes them sound like asthma attacks or something
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Imagine taking the elevator all the way downstairs with all your luggage and as soon as those doors open seeing Margo's face. I'd pay to see that in a thriller film
My heart breaks for Venus every time she says "She chose not to be my daughter". Who would say that to their own blood outside of inhuman garbage? She's your daughter, Margo, no matter how cold and heartless you are. Poor Venus even made sure she had enough money leftover before she ran off.
She also uses things like Aspergers and eating disorders to paint her as a wild monster. Even if Venus was as bad as these lies, who was the one who raised her and probably caused these outlashes?
For Venus'sake: I hope not.
For my entertainment value: I really hope so!
Do you think Margo keeps saying that because she wants to hurt Venus until she caves in and comes back? We know Marg is manipulative as fuck, maybe this is one of her ways; hurt V til she feels lowest and comes back because her mother was the only ever comfort she knew.
I hope Venus realizes she doesn't need her mother anymore and gives the real world a try, she's worth more than Marg has 'given' her.
man i hope not. having a mother like that is so toxic.
how old is he anyway?
Eh, there's a point where it stops being funny and I think we're way past that point now.
Laughing at the stupid shit they post online is one thing, but there is nothing funny about watching someone be abused.
Yeah, they did say that.
So he's either 24-25 depending on the month he was born on.
I agree the problem is not the age gap, but the fact that Venus will be incredibly dependent on Manaki, which might give him ample opportunity to abuse and manipulate her if he wanted to.
There is no reason to assume he would want to harm her though, so we'll have to wait and see. If Venus would have stayed with Margaret things never would have changed for the better; at least now she has a chance at a semi-normal life.
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Some of Venus' "fans" are really retarded.
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This guy can go choke on a fucking dick. Or dildo since his name sounds like one.
Do these people not realize that being a mother is all about fucking sacrafices?!
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This is so unreal. We all predicted this a while ago. All the clues, every step of the way, and the timing. It's just too perfect…
What if they read everything we say as inspiration for thier lives, and this is just a really elaborate soap opera.
If that is the case then… WE ARE THE COW…
She seems off.
also this looks like it was taken the same day as the pic on Margo's insta, and the sad pictures on her own.
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Remember when Margo claimed SHE had aspergers, and now she's using it to slander Venus? Kek
it's like she's drunk and talking with peanut butter on the roof of her mouth
???? wtf is going on in the palermo household fam
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I'm crying this comment is hilarious!
i can't sympathize with either one of them.
margo is crazy, without question, but i don't think she wanted to hurt her daughter. Maybe Margo really thought her actions are the best for Venus, I guess she has some kind of psychic problem….or various problems
regarding venus: i dont think she is sweet and innocent, but spoiled and full of herself. she got famous at a young age, constantely being told how kawaiiiii and cuute she is, she never learned that not only looks/ the outside is important, but also the inside, education and being honest with people etc.
There are always two sides of a coin, I'm sure Venus enjoys being a youtube "personality", acting like a cute retarded toddler. nobody can force you to record that kind of videos against your will. i just guess margo was supporting this shit because she loves her daughter (in a not so healthy way, maybe too much, she is all over venus), but venus herself likes her online persona.
otherwise she wouldn't upload a cheerful video one day after all this drama, away from margo suddenly in japan.
if she would have been forced she would now be resting and staying away from the internet for at least a few days.
both are to blame for the whole escalation.
and lots of people are saying that venus is an adult. but: what sane adult would "run away from home" with some man into another country. doesn't sound like a full grown adult to me.
Normal moms would just keep it private or say something along the lines of "My daughter fled to Japan with her husband. I'm worried sick and first of all I want to know if she's safe and in a good place, if anyone has any information please forward it to me">>229840
Knowing Magro it's probably even simpler.> Attacked her : Probably regular kids/tweens outbursts like srsly.> Killed her hamster : Maybe owned a small animal once and it died. Could have been a virtual hamster or a tamagotchi considering Margaret level of insanity.> Broke her puppy leg : Maybe a puppy hurt his leg by himself in the general vicinity of Venus.
Anyway what kind of sibling, let alone a parent, would drag their family through the dirt ?? She's not even waiting to calm down.
My heart goes to Venus, she can't even have a sane mom and that's her only parent. Poor girl. I always thought she was obnoxious but now I want her to succeed just because life gave her a crappy abusive parent and she deserve some happiness.
We have proof of margo's craziness. Your inability to sympathize with venus is based purely on speculation that you are making up. We don't know if she's spoiled or full of herself because we really never experienced her without Margo. I see her uploading the video and working on it for several reasons..it's mindnumbing to do video work so it probably kept her busy most the day and she didn't have to look online. Also, she needs to make money somehow , especially if she's going to be on her own so , this is what she knows for now.
If an adult is in an abusive relationship usually they run away from it. Manaki at this point was a means to do it. It sounds adult to me, to take your life into your own hand. What are you on anon?
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I can't even believe this is happening right now, Margo is so crazy
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not the anon you were replying to.
but, do you realize youre both saying the same thing? and that youre both right?
I never cared much for Venus or her batshit mother because the sheer amount of drama made me go cross-eyed (plus Venus' voice is like nails on chalkboard to me), but reading this thread made me very happy. Go, Venus, go!>>230099
She never needed a 'manager'. What she would have needed was a mother to guide her in the right direction, especially when she started that whole Youtube doll act at age, what, twelve? Instead, she got a narcissistic control freak who never got over the fact that the spotlight wasn't on her. Even now, it's all about her feelings, her money, her belongings, her being the victim in this situation. >>230064
As much as I'd like her to spill more milk, I don't think she owes anybody anything in this situation. It's probably safer for her to lay low about her whereabouts until Margo has calmed down a bit. If she told people she was in Japan, her stalker mother would probably phone every police station in the country and claim her virgin daughter was kidnapped by her evil manipulator husband. I'm surprised she hasn't hopped on the first plane to Tokyo and kicked Manaki's door down and teeth in.
Sorry for wall of text.
In the UK you have giant rape pimp gangs with thousands of little girl victims and no one does anything because that's be racist.
Your move, anglos.
Stop reading the daily mail you twat
Um. Regardless of the fact it was in the daily mail (and numerous other newspapers but I guess you have to ignore that to prove your point.) it still happened. You realise they can't just fabricate arrests, right?
Literally last week a gang of Somalian child raping drug dealers was arrested in my city.
>mfw Fahr is the voice of reason
Even Fahr thinks Margo is shit.
Venus, if you're reading this, don't feel guilty, don't worry about your mom! She can go back to Switzerland, where she can suck that sweet benefits tit until she dies. She won't be out on the street, she won't be homeless.
And she won't kill herself, because she's a narcissistic piece of shit.
I can understand Margo is hurt, I don't think any mother wants to see their child leave home, but the way she is acting is only going to push Venus further and further away and make her resent her. No mother should be trying to ruin their daughter publicly, if Venus is really having "aspergers attacks" and does have autism at this age, it's all because her mother didn't raise her correctly, jumping country to country, not allowing her to have a proper education, and not socialising her properly from a young age.
She was sleeping in the same bed as her for a long time (as far as I remember it being stated) and raised that her mother isn't only her best friend but her manager that controls her life, allowing the uploads of videos such as her in bloomers with cream on her nose, pictures of her breasts exclaiming "wow they're so big", she was 14 back then, wasn't she? To some it's a dream that they can travel the world, have their mother land them gigs at modelling, interviews and being able to go to ~glorious nippon~, but there didn't seem to be a sense of discipline or normalising her life, she didn't separate her daughter's life from fame and allow her to get an education and some good friends.
I'm glad Venus has gotten out of that toxic relationship with her mother, but I believe it will take a long time and the means of therapy to actually undo the damage it has done. It's sad because as much as I feel she shouldn't be in the spotlight for a little with videos, I'm guessing she should keep at them as a source of income and milking being in the spotlight to earn some new fans, if she suddenly lost the money, she wouldn't be able to live the same lifestyle she was before and maybe run back to her mother crying.
You could be my sister (from another crazy bitch mother). Reading about Margo almost triggers
me because she uses the same guilt trip lines my own mama beast used to. So happy for Venus that she got away while she could.
Margo is a crazy narcissist, for a lack of a proper diagnosis. She has no empathy for her daughter or anyone other than herself. Margo's always been like this and will never change. She's only "hurt" because this means SHE'S screwed.
Anyone with similar mothers can see how undeserving of sympathy Margo is, especially now. Venus should never, ever go back to this crazy cunt. I do not believe for one second Margo ever cared properly for Venus as a normal mother would have, she shouldn't be held to these standards
I actually did get triggered
(although mine was a crazy father). Early this morning I was crying while reading the Margo updates. Even if Venus is a brat she needs to stay far away from her mother. I just hope she gets her life together instead of ending up trading one manipulative person for another.
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OH MY GOD THIS IS TIPPY TOP DRAMA
THANK YOU BASED /PT/ FOR ANSWERING MY PRAYERS
I'm going to go to the shops, buy some popcorn and diet coke, and then read this thread. Maybe some chill music in the background. Oh man this is based.
Yeah, this is pretty much the correct summary of her mother. Usually people like this have their own fucked up childhood that made them that way.
My mother is exactly like Margo. I "ran away" from her at the age of 19 too, but I caved in after 6 months. My mother did exactly what Margo did as well - slandered me online/to my friends/family, said all this stupid shit about me and even got me to pay her money (that was technically hers, I didn't even remember it). Point is, she was grabbing onto every superficial little thing to vent out her anger and how upset she was.
She calmed down after a couple of months and the waves of anger and hurt subsided. Then she tried to get in contact with me and twist me back to her.
I have a horrible feeling Margo will follow this path and poor Venus will cave in too, since she probably understands what >>229605
described about her mother, except she will feel guilty because it's been indoctrinated into her that she belongs to her mother and she has to make her mother happy.
Honestly, leaving my mother WAS an insanely painful decision to make - even though she abused me physically and emotionally since I was a baby, I know she can't help being that way and nothing will ever change her.
Then show us the tweets you moron. Manaki didnt tweet at her daily or anything like that.
EVEN IF HE DID there are Markiplier fans who tweet at or about him several times a day and ACTUALLY type creepy shit.
I think it is possible that Manaki has a crazy parent too. Usually people don't support you when you want to run away from your parents, saying all kinds of crap like "BUT SHE'S YOUR MOTHER!". And maybe it's just me but this "It's only scary in the beginning" sounds like someone who knows about cutting contact with a crazy person.
Sorry if i sound retarded lol
She would have issues in Germany too.
She left The Netherlands for tax evasion or however it's called.
Infact i think she'd have issues in most European countries at the moment.
Being stuck with Margo for an extended period could cause anyone to drown themselves in drink.
But I'm not buying this. I think Margo is nuts. She wants to turn everyone against Venus for sympathy points. If Venus has any emotional problems or addictions it's because of the way she was raised and that's on Margo. She should have gotten Venus some help when she was still underaged if that was the case. But I guess that would look bad if it were leaked online.
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Anyone know if this Manaki x Isabella thing is true?
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The only reason people dislike manaki and think he's a creepy stalker pedo is because Margo said so….
The same batshit insane Margo that atm is having a sperg attack over her 18 year old daughter moving out acting like a jealous ex instead of a concerned mother.
And the only reason she seems to dislike Manaki is because he isn't rich.
If the guy had money she would have been crawling up his ass.
It's hilarious Margo acts like Manaki is beneath her…..while Manaki has a job…
Sure it's not a great one but he's working nonetheless.
Personally i respect someone working as a Toilet lady more then a bum leeching of her daughter doing nothing and sitting at home.
What do we know about Manaki?
-He was a fan of her videos when she was young.
he said so himself.
Her videos consisted of her acting cutesy.. like the Japanese seem to like in general.
-He tweeted her like a fan a few times.
there is proof of this
but not obsessively or to the extend the majority of fans do with idols they like.
-He showed up at Disneyland to see her.
But judging by what Venus said so did a bunch of other fans.
basically she did a meet.
He was nice to Venus and she thought he was cute This is said by herself in their video.
She teases him innocently about it and she genuinely looks as if she likes him.
Although that last bit is just my opinion.
-The guy is awkward as fuck and shy in videos.
But so is Venus.
They both act like 2 giddy awkward teenagers in love i really did not see any harm or creepiness in this.
-He asked Venus to marry him.
Rather quick in my western opinion but from what i know this isn't uncommon in Japan so i won't judge on that
-When everything seemed to go batshit and Margo completely dragged him through the mud he didn't act out in a full on flame war.
But apparently kept contact with Venus secretly.
He did not abandon her in a situation in which i think most guys (and girls) would have backed off.
-He came to get Venus.
He didn't tell her to get on a plane on her own.
He didn't sit back and just waited.
Venus was scared and he came to get her.
judging by Venus saying he told her ''It's only scary in the beginning''
Now i do not know this guy.
None of us do and we'll have to wait and see what he truly is like.
Maybe he's a creep maybe he is not.
Reality is we know very little about him that didn't come out of Margo's insane mouth.
Meanwhile Margo is showing she is actually deranged.
Even is Venus and Manaki do not work out i think she probably made a good choice.
tldr; Margo is proven creepy, Manaki is rumored to be creepy.
Manaki is the better gamble.
and yes i just googled that picture
>>230202>The only reason people dislike manaki and think he's a creepy stalker pedo is because Margo said so….
Nah, I remember people talking about the big age gap and him being a creep because of that when their relationship got public first.
That was way before Margo turned around and talked shit about him.
It's not hard to see why people would criticize an adult guy who got interested in a girl when she was underage, and later even pursued her.
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Margo is angry Weenus escaped
good for venus
100% agree. There are caps where she's basically shitting on him because he's poor.
"He has no money HE'S ALSO A PEDOPHILE STALKER CREEP also he has no money"
-He came to get Venus.
He didn't tell her to get on a plane on her own.
He didn't sit back and just waited.
Venus was scared and he came to get her.
judging by Venus saying he told her ''It's only scary in the beginning''
It's this part that shows he truly does love her.
I would say a lot of that stemmed from how suddenly they started dating and talking about engagement. And just general being catty bitches. But I am not going to deny that a 20 year old having an interest in a 14 year old, however sexualized, is not totally ok.
When given a choice between staying with Margo and going with Manaki, it is 100% clear which one is the best choice. Venus being out on her own with no one would just drove her back to mom for protection. I can't believe people are even suggesting there is a problem here.
Even if Manaki was interested in her when she was younger, this isn't a situation where he groomed her to be a certain way. He didn't pursue her til she was 18 or maybe almost-18. Margo on the other hand DID groom her to be a perfect sexualized dolly. Night and day. People suggesting she's running from one abuser to another are nuts. You have no proof that he's an abuser, just what Margo has said.
How the heck is peenus bullying her? By living in a different country? By being a legal adult? By daring to maybe gasp
lose her virginity? Margo really needs to take her nose out of penuuses ass, and concentrate on her own life. Sounds like she's living vicariously through her daughter.
I can't speak for others but I personally am a little worried for her. I don't think we have any proof that Manaki is a creep but when someone who has been in a long relationship with an abuser it's common for them to subconsciously look for those traits in other people. It's comfortable and familier. It's how people get locked into a pattern of bad relationships.
Seeing as Venus has zero life experience, I don't think most people are being out of line showing concern for her. The "pedo" shit however is fucking stupid.
Her saying ''Manaki is now her manager '' Strikes me as so odd.
Venus has said nothing about this in public.
And according to Margo's rant Venus ran away without a word and she cannot get contact with Venus now.
I mean she's even asking Venus to send her stuff Japan to Margo's address in Korea.
So when did she find out about Manaki now being Venus her manager?
To me that sounds like biggest thing Margo is jealous/afraid off so she's making a big deal out of it already.
She doesn't hate losing her daughter.
She's having a hissy fit because she lost her meal ticket.
You do realize we don't know shit about autism right? Whether it's aactually a developmental or genetic disorder or both is beyond our scope of knowledge right now. Still waiting on some groundbreaking research to give the official word.
Source: work with autistic kids
Concern is absolutely understandable and fine.
Like i said in my long ass rant we don't really know him.
he might be a creep who knows.
What annoys me is the people acting as if it's a fact simply because Margo said so.
wowowoWOW now she's blaming her daughter for moving around
it's like those parents who divorce and then blame their bad marriage on their kids. "Oh, my kid was angry/depressed/whatever and that put a strain on our relationship". Bullshit, you wanted to move around. You said so long ago, you said you had a nomad travelling life because of drama and taxes.
Holy shit, I didn't know Margo was THIS evil wtf
also trips speak the truth
It's quite obviously completely made up. She is seeing it that way because she can only see a twisted reality.
Reality = an abused girl escaping from a narcissistic mother with her boyfriend helping her.
Twisted reality = slut whore ungrateful daughter running away with a poor man who will make money from her
I think he's in it for the girl not the money.
maybe just me but in the videos he sees to be really into Venus.
Agreed. First chrischan and his tomgirl/pepperspray shenanigans, then coffin and his realdoll wife,rosee gets a snapchat, then nick bates going to prison, PT losing weight and now this.
We had a milk drought the past few years, but this is epic.
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No, milk has been plentiful across the board. I think it might be related to the blood moon. Made everyone more crazy.
I was never implying someone can catch autism, I just meant that if her mother raised her properly, kept her in a stable environment, I'd imagine her apparent "aspergers attacks" wouldn't be as severe as she's making out. I know at the end of the day someone cannot get rid of their autism, but they can learn how to handle and manage it. I only really pointed this out as I'm dating someone with aspergers and ADHD, but their parents raised them in a way that taught them how to manage these things.
Looking back on it, I think I worded it pretty badly and it might've came across as insensitive, but it's more feeling irate at Margo for blaming Venus for having these attacks and labelling it as "aspergers attacks", when (assuming Margo isn't lying about Venus having aspergers) she looks like she hasn't raised her correctly, only enabled her.
This. If he just wanted a white waifu he would have realized after round one of Margo slandering him online that they're batshit insane and not worth the trouble, and would have abandoned ship. I mean ffs, all the dude would have to do is make a WorldFriends account and hook up with a desperate weeb.
He stayed with Venus even though he must have been well aware of how vicious Margaret would be towards him, so Venus must mean at least something to him.
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>>229834>telling the world extremely private things about your daughter you only know because you're her mother>not slandering
wow margo, just wow.
Adding to that, I got angry when my mother did really horrible things, like lying to my teachers at school.
Then she told my teachers that I randomly have fits of anger for no reason whatsoever
Yeaaaaah pretty sure Margo is doing the same thing.
Legitimately disabled people do it for that reason too. It's so, so common for parents of disabled kids to hear shit like "They're so well behaved and well mannered!" From their teachers about a kid that regularly has outbursts at home; because they understand that at school it wont be tolerated. Or vice versa.
Even if Venus does have aspergers, her alleged rage fits would still be because of Margie's poor parenting.
these are regular teenager things. I bet margo is no saint. Everyone does stupid shit when they're young, I don't see why margo is randomly bringing them up as if they make venus a bad person.>>229844>I spoiled her
How? Be more concrete margo, if you want us to sympathise.
>>229846>to leave your mother over a boy
does she not realise that's what you're SUPPOSED to do? You're not supposed to live with your mother well into spinsterhood.>>229855
Bitch, you CHOSE to reproduce, you CHOSE to have a child. Raising your child is the bare minimum, you don't get to say you chose to sacrifice your life for her and she needs to be grateful by living only for you.
Margo said on PULL that she lets Venus do whatever the fuck she wants as long as it's not obviously harmful, because her own parents were oppressive Christians who didn't allow her anything, and she's a cool mom damn. Venus also seemed to have a lot of material goods (wigs, circle lenses, lolita dresses etc.) most teenagers do not grow up with, so in a way she really was spoiled.
Marg probably was one of those parents who gave her kid everything she wanted to avoid the chimpout that follows when you say no to a child, so it probably bit her in the ass eventually.
If Margot had full access to it she wouldn't be sperging out like she is now.
I also wonder wtf she was thinking threatening to shit down her YT account since that was Margots main source of income.
Their age gap isn't that extreme anyway. I swear some people don't live in the real world, 10year and more age gaps are doable, I know plenty of people with such age gaps and as long as the guy makes you happy, and you don't make a huge deal out of it, it's no biggie.
It's only a biggie if you try and make it one, acting like two consenting adults = pedophillia
What next? Men who date skinny young looking flat chested women are pedos? Madonna is a pedophile?
What if Margo's projecting her own fucked up actions on Venus. What if it was HER who broke the puppy's leg etc.
Anyway I can't believe this shit, it's like we've always known it was going to happen but somehow now that's real it's so weird
Agreed. Margot is just punching at his (arguable) misdeeds to make herself look more favourable. It's very hypocritical since even though she's "educated" there are other areas in her life where she has failed and he (so far at least) has not, such as relationships.
It's how she measure her self worth, and it's a n1 narcissist trait. Using 'positive' attributes to define yourself and others, but labelling your negative characteristics as unimportant or negligible.
Oh, good. Perfect nightmare fuel for bedtime.
(Wtf is this even? I can't understand a word of it.)
After watching this whole mess unfold, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Margo made him
move on with his life.
As in, > "No, Venus, you can't call your father, he doesn't want to hear from you because you decided to stay with me." > "No, (whatever the father is called), you can't call Venus, she won't pick up the phone because she's mad at you for leaving us."
That's not to say there aren't any deadbeat parents who just leave their children hanging, but considering the current situation and how Margo tries to spin it to her favor, I wouldn't put it past her.
Simple speculation on my part, though.
No I hope Venus keeps going strong and ignores her fully. She should continue to post what she wants wherever and make what ever types of videos make her happy. I hope Venus doesn't publicly address her mother further. She's already eloquently explained the situation through instagram and that should be enough.
Venus's best bet is to continue on with her life and grow on her own, separate from Marg.
You're stupid to compare them tbh. The MOST Manaki did was tweet at her a couple of times and with her level of popularity she probably didnt even really pay them any mind. Let's be real Manaki hasnt shown a SINGLE sign of being negative for Venus at all. With his day job etc she'd have lots of free time and he's got a pretty sub personality from what we've seen. If anything in my opinion he's done nothing but show that he's a pretty good person. He saw that Margo was terrible to her, stayed with her and now helped her get out of that toxic situation.
If he was just some creeper it would have been EASY to find someone else BEFORE now whereas he (according to what we know) has never dated anyone before and it BLATANTLY looks like it from every ACTUAL source we have.
Like how about we actually wait and see what happens rather than condemning some dude we barely know.
Look at the comment it was a response to.
it's not recent and it's a creepy thing Margo posted not Venus
knowing margo, she'd be up for it
oh god now I want to puke ,thanks anon
Her How To Be Polite In England video is just fucking confusing.
Yes, say please and thank you. Great… there is more to it than that you know Margo.
Can anyone actually understand what the hell she is going an about with not saying please and thank you when in shops?
Margo has NPD and this shit is classic NPD. She loves Venus and gives her the world when she can control her, when the control stops she will split and hate her daughter.
NPD parents give their child an inaccurate world view, they tell them the world is scary and they can trust no one but them. Not letting your child grow up is part of the control because it keeps them dependant. Not letting girls wear a bra, have a bf, have friends (and turning potential friends against the child, or the child against the friends), denying them the ability to learn to drive, homeschooling or allowing an incomplete education, showering them with undeserved gifts to show the girl what a "good mother" they are, competing with the girl by dressing the same/stealing bfs attention. It's all NPD and Venus is the product of emotional control, emotional abuse and sheltering.
It's so sick and Venus can unfortunately never ever have a relationship with her mother. These people don't get better and they don't change. She will continue to manipulate until the day she dies. Even email communication will be dangerous as Margo will manipulate her:
Oh Venus I am SO sad since you left me. I'm sorry that YOU feel that way about me after all I have done for you.
NPD's ignore the feelings of others. Venus would of had her emotions gaslighted for years.
Don't go back! Even if Manaki doesn't work out STAY AWAY and don't look back.
It's one thing to say "this person acts really npd" but I am sick to death of these walls of text.
Here, with the waif and Queen shit, in the Gerg thread, in the Kiki thread… Cut it down or cut it out.
Margo is fucked, that's all we need to know.
>the crone says
rotfl. margo, with her botched English, doesn't grasp the difference between the German Krohne (Crown) and crone (old hag).
CREEPY! Couldn't watch 30 seconds of this, jfc.>>230272
Helping PT lose weight is one of the best things we ever did. I hope we also helped Venus escape Margo. We're a self-help board, let's just face it.>>230202
I agree. Manaki being a creepity creep creep is just hearsay. We have thousands of exhibits of proof that Margo is a batshit, emotionally incestual, piece of shit excuse for a mother.
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gtfo ur both annoying
Don't worry I just happen to be an exorcist.
1 liter of goat's blood
3 cups of Jesus Juice
1 Robert Downey Jr. (sober)
And the conversions of 3 Muslims to Christianity.
oh and a protein bar. This is going to take all night.
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Umm so manaki said this
So wait, where is Venus actually?
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lol manaki could barely speak english in venus's vids, yet suddenly knows phrases like 'take legal action against me'
Jap here, can confirm the mental healthcare in "glorious nippon" is really bad. I've been living in Japan for my entire life because my dad is Japanese and I stayed when my mother left him, but I was diagnosed as schizophrenic a few years ago, and I've never gotten any real treatment for it. I've had medication at one point, but that was about it and even then it didn't do too much for me. I know some people that have serious eating disorders and have never gotten treatment, some that have even worse mental conditions than mine that had their problems ignored, etcetera. We've also got a high depression and suicide rate here, likely because of the fact that many people don't seek out help and would rather hope for their problems to just go away.
There's a heavy stigma in Japan against all kinds of mental illness, people see it as a character flaw over here rather than something that is biological. It's less severe towards foreigners, so if Venus did choose to get therapy in Japan she might be able to because she's not a native. It's to a point where it took me years to find a job just because even though I was qualified I got turned down because I'm mentally ill. They see that you have the diagnosis, and next thing you know you're denied. You can also be denied renting an apartment for being mentally ill, and things like that.
Tldr Japan has a very bad stigma against mental illnesses where you basically have two options; be institutionalized or just try to deal with it. Venus' chance of getting decent therapy is only slightly possible because she's foreign.
zombiebunnygirl can go fuck herself. Sometimes scumbags have kids. Having a kid doesn't magically turn you into a good person. For most people, cutting their parent out of their life, even if that parent is a total piece of shit, is extremely
difficult and heart-wrenching. Fucktards like zombiebunnygirl make it so much harder, because they tell you that all those things you want
to believe - that your parent is capable of being a good person, that they'd be there for you, that they love you. Imagine trying to break up with your abusive spouse, and people keep coming out of the woodwork to tell you that he simply made "mistakes" and they hope "you can get past this and be even closer in the end." Now multiply that by 100.
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That's so awful and stupid. It must feel so isolating.>>230621
How do potential landlords/employers find out about your mental health?
NOOO VENUS NOOOO
holy fuck i hope venus stays there and her mother fucks off holy shiiit
luk et mi, i'm so quirky and edgy!
…that said, it's weird to see her go from 100 to 0. she was just talking absolute shit about venus and now she's acting all kind and understanding. manipulative bitch
i know, that's what worries me. i hope poor venus doesn't fall for her manipulation, she'll probably twist her words and force her back to korea. or by some miracle, worm her way into staying in japan with venus. cos muh caring mother.
…anyone have a clue why she said hail satan?
Margo's only hope of keeping her hooks in Venus is to go to her.
For all her awfulness, they spent everyday together so it must have been a wrench for both. This could be the start of a new and less dependant relationship between them.
I knew it. I'm disappointed and I feel a little bit sick, but scrolling through this thread, I knew it.
A lifelong abusive relationship with your own mother/groomer is not something Venus will ever be able to fully escape. She's likely writhing in guilt and shame right now, and is willing to do anything to alleviate these feelings.
Bets on how long it is until Margo and Venus are living together again and things are back to 'normal' …? I give it a month or so at most. You guys saw what Margo was posting publicly. Just imagine what sort of messages she's been sending Venus.
Poor girl, for real. This just makes me so fucking sick.
She'll end up fucking living there with her daughter just as she had planned. A civil conversation will lead to Venus feeling guilty & heartbroken, feeling sorry for her mother having to be all alone in Korea.
For fuck sake. I'll pray for this child.
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"Of course". No she won't. DON'T LET HER IN VENUS FUCK.
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Looks like something crazy Margo would actually do.
As if Margo would ever let Venus peacefully live separately from her as long as she knows her location. I honestly don't doubt she would just kill her before that happened. >>230636
People like Margo never change and hoping for a saner, less dependant relationship is futile. We've already seen how batshit she went when her daughter slipped out of her grasp. Venus should have no contact with this woman.
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Kickstarted it with one screenshot at least. https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/emancipatevenus2016/
If anyone else wants to join in please do. Hashtag away and message Venus directly.
1) she as 15 hen they met
2) what does this have to do with talia?
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What does this even mean
>>230688>I then lost conscience on Haneda aiport
Does she mean she lost consciousness at the airport or what? Goddamn, I wish she could speak properly.
Either way, it's great if Venus is turning her down.
VENUS I PROUD U
kekking at margo's typo tho. Can't lose your conscience when youve got none to begin with
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I remember when this comic was first posted years ago and thinking it was hilarious, but didn't think Maggro would actually turn out to be this psycho.
I doubt venus even knew she was coming.
Or maybe she is being smart and is trying to get her mom to go back to Europe by draining her financially (leaving after paying for language school, getting her to buy a last minute ticket to Japan and not showing up, etc.)
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Mayo just edited her latest post!
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Jesus christ she acts like he forcefully took her and is keeping her hostage.
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Found on PULL
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She updated again lol
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her whiteknights are fucking annoying holy shit…
>>230725>I'M A NUTCASE ABOUT TO GO BALD!
lmao at her one woman pity party.
VENUS, GIRL, if you're reading this: do not give in! Your mother is batshit and malicious.
Trust me. Leaving mine was the best thing I ever did for myself.
An immigration officer? Oh ffs.
She's so toxic even her hair wants away from her kek
If you can't talk, your hair falls off?
That's top notch abuser psychology, right here. "I had to say shit about Venus or it's like cancer!!!'
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Margaret losing her mind and transforming into the most vindictive & manipulative hag she's ever been is making this drama even more satisfying to read about and keep updated on. At last she reveals her true self now that Venus is no longer under her control.
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She's absolutely fucking insane. Part of me is horrified, but a bigger part of me can't stop laughing.
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Whoever this is deserves a medal.
If I were Venus, I would try to run Margo dry for all the money she's got. I mean think about it, what she has in her bank account atm is all that she has now that her cash cow is gone.
"Oh mom, I'm hiding out in Fukuoka please take the super expensive shinkansen to get here quickly! Oops, I made a mistake, I'm actually in Osaka hurry! Did I say Osaka? I mean Hokkaido! Sign me up for a year of korean lessons while your at it, then book me a seat on the next direct flight to Seoul! I'll meet you at the airport! Woops, sorry I couldn't make the flight I was busy!"
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Even Margo called that person out lol
Or… she's just making excuses to not keep in contact with you.
But obviously Manaki is the evil, abusive one in this situation!
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Sure, post his email for everyone to see..
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Her comment lol
What should we send him? Maybe a link to the vid of margo dancing in a bikini? Some stuff to help him have dirt on margo just in case she tries to pull some legal shit on him?
THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO SPERG AND WEEN! DO NOT SEND SHIT WITHOUT CONSULTING THE THREAD FIRST
If we do, we maybe should write it in Japanese and in English, so Venus can also read it if she needs to.
I think we should include screenshots of EVERYTHING and explain that we only have the best intentions of heart.
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P R A I S E
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I guess this one?
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That's a good idea. We have some anons who know moonspeak. If some anon wants to type up a draft letter (in english at first) then post it here first.
I think it might be beneficial to make manaki aware of just how nuts her mother is and of her shenanigans so he can protect himself and venus better. The more informed he is about the situation, the better for him.
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>>230730>She's so toxic even her hair wants away from her kek
Lmao anon, good one
Anyway I have a theory: Margo wants to absolutely keep Venus around for money because that's what she wanted for herself… I mean, Venus is young and prettier than her, so she's projecting her fame dreams over her daughter.
So, I think that if Margo had the chance to get surgery (like a nose job, lip fillers…) and feel more confident with her looks, she maybe would stop pushing her dreams up Venus' throat…? I know she's not young anymore, but maybe she would loose the grip on her daughter a bit? Am I wrong?
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lol just saw this on margos facebook
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Why is he so nuts about peenus? Is it a robot thing? Don't they have women where he lives?
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I love how she is digging her own grave.
"Look at that perfectly civil email, it's the pedphile who kidnapped my daughter!"
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ummmm her twitter says she's in tokyo…is that a recent development?…
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She had a shock? Wtf is she talking about?
These updates are hilarious. She just keeps coming up with new shit to add.
Hm, maybe! I don't understand the minds of abusers very well though, but maybe something like that would make her drop Venus since she would no longer need her if she got to marry a rich dude.
Korea's like the plastic surgery capital of the world or some shit, maybe Margo should really consider it haha (then again I don't think any amount of plastic surgery could save her face)
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Visited Venus' website for the first time ("designed by Margaret" - yeah, right) and found this picture of them lol
Venus looks about the same but I'm not sure about what to say about Marg. She still looks kinda crazy lol
Hopefully Margo will come here soon to lurk and will read this.
Do it, Margo. I heard that plastic surgery in Korea is even cheaper than other countries. Do it and leave your daughter be.
hm, maybe my opinion is just colored by what's been happening today…But hasn't Marg always been kinda crazy? I could imagine her being this way with Venus ever since she was born…
Also, the arm clinging really does remind me of what's going on today lolol
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and she updated already
people are catching on quick kek
my guess is that shes trying to cover her ass and play up the "sympathic and worried mom" since people pointed out how she was slandering her daughter instead of actually being concerned like a real mother (or maybe that concern is genuine- only because she needs her money maker kek)
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I see a Japanese Üter from the Simpsons.
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this thread is giving me life
So it sounds like Margo hasn't been in contact with Venus and she's there to try stalking her down. And more lies about Manaki to try getting people to stalk him for
her. Yes, I think Margo is just that low.
Well, Margo has her other accounts. And honestly I feel sorry for Venus. I am not a fan of hers but Margo needs a lesson and a banned acc on IG could maybe make her realize what kind of horrible things she did.
But on the other side, you are right. The milk is really delicious.
What proof can you provided from IG caps that she's edited the original? If you provided an image of all the changes on her IG it would show the whiteknight show crazy Mayo is.
But only if you can prove they're edits (with time stamps?) because her fans will say it's edited.
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Margot is sad she can't get Venuses shekels anymore. Anybody has that photoshop of Margots face over the goyim jew?
Honesty I don't think Margo would learn a damn thing anon. Her head's so far up her own ass, she'd just be like "omg teh bullies got my account or maybe haxxed my manaki?!11! :(( "
or some shit. But I agree that she should eventually be taken down if she has Venus account access too.
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My fucking sides because this is so damn true.
theres a lot more ugly guys than cute guys in japan because japanese men's fashion sucks dick
Can't someone actually contact him?
It would be funny
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And here she goes with the education piss contest again. Hon, why does it matter that you're "better" than manaki? Are you trying to date venus? Are you in competition with this young man for her affection? If so, eww.
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Guys, what if margo is right about all this? What if venus did really leave her stone cold and then didn't show up at the airport?
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Quick question, wtf is this pic about?
This. It sounds like she decided to go to Japan on her own to find a way to manipulate her to leave and now she is trying to guilt Venus to talk/meet with her by saying she fainted and shit.
She has no shame. What a horrible excuse for a mother, let alone a human being.
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Yes this was the caption for it, written by venus supposedly, but it's so obvious margo wrote it
She shouldn't and she doesn't have to. She already explained on Instagram that she wants to live with her husband, which she is perfectly justified in doing because she is a legal adult.
If she is smart she keeps her mouth shut about her mother and does not get involved in any more drama ever again. Then she should apologize to all the people they screwed over the years to make it clear Margaret was the dramacow all along.
No fun allowed
I'm not one for conspiracy theories.
But this time i actually think i want to see some proof she was in japan
to me it sounds like she's just trying to make venus feel like shit
Which posts do you think are theirs?
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Anon, who cares about how they dress is their face is fine? I personally think some of their fashion is cute. I hate most of the shit at that shibuya men's mall.
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this thread rn
This was mine! But it's exactly how I've pictured this mess of a relationship, and I'm not surprised it was true.
At this point I think Margo is legitimately starting to lose it, and may do something violent in the future.
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This is turning into some Carrie shit.
Guys this seriously needs to happen. Like Margo could take PT to Japan and make her lose weight and take care of herself and they could both make weird videos….
Is there any way to make Margo and PT get acquainted first?
sign me up
I just wanna get cute and get Margo to buy me shit
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Guys, Venus' website is gone.
I don't think it's like that. If Margo opened the channel, then she owns it. The law is shitty and apparently you don't own videos or pictures you are in - the person who took that picture/video owns it. So Margo can say it's all her content on the channel too.>>231062
Is the domain up for sale too?
shit there should at least be a non-discrimination law.
in america, you sue if you even have a vague feeling that you were discriminated against based on gender/sexual orientation/race/mental health etc
If she plays her cards right, she can pick up a lot of new subs. She can make about one or two videos discussing her crazy ass mom to start off her new channel or whatever. Then she can address manaki, her magical Japanese husbando, and do a jun and Rachel ,only with more drama since she's so young.
I think people would watch her, it can be like a YouTube docu-series.
(of course, she'd be a kawaii white dolly while doing everything, I hope she can get whatever shit she left with Margo back.)
Not necessarily. If Marg is holding her YT account hostage that's obviously a big problem since she might lose the 1 million subs she already has, but this whole fiasco might really work in her favor if she plays it smart.
So far she kept her mouth shut about Margaret while her mother is all over the place slandering her and publicly posting insanely hurtful things about her only daughter. She also admitted she's always had access to Venus' accounts. If she continues to stay quiet about the issue people will assume Venus has always been the poor victim of a shitty mother and most of the things that happened were never really her fault (which may very well be true). As far as her reputation is concerned this is the best thing that could have happened to her because now it'll be incredibly easy for her to pull the "it was all my crazy mom, it's not my fault" card.
Now she also has a pity bonus because she's become the brave inspirational young woman who escaped an abusive mother and is trying to build a life for herself. Even here most people are supportive and sympathetic (#staystrongvenus). Additionally, she is back with Manaki and can whore out their relationship a little bit on YT. Videos with Manaki/about Japan are among her most popular ones. Weaboo love that shit.
Tl;dr: She's likely not going to become incredibly famous but if she milks the Japanese housewife gimmick and manages to stay out of future drama she might be able to make a decent amount of cash while she gets her life in order.
How? Most of her fanbase is aware of her mom being crazy so if anything she's going to have an even stronger fanbase now. It's Margo who's dead you idiot. >>231077
Actually I'm rather confident that Venus made the channel by herself because in the oldest video on her channel she's recording herself as well as margo says in interviews that venus started doing videos on her own. There would be no other real way for margo to proove that she made the account and youtube has hacking preventiong stuff so even if someone got in and deleted the account it's still recoverable.
Most places like instagram, twitter, all of that have ways that if you turn in proof to regain accounts and the such.
I really, really don't think they are going to give the account to margo.
Venus makes money for youtube so it would be bad for them to give her account away.
This is the best way to deal with it. Margo wants a reaction or reply from her insane ramblings. Ignoring her will just make her ramblings more and more deranged until everyone can see straight through her crazy bs.
Venus is being smart.
Margo most definitely just came to Japan. Anon is right, she would of messaged Venus like "I has your bunny and stuff I come to Japan now to give to Venus now. Please meet with your mother. It's a ploy to get a reaction. Narcassists cannot maniplute without feedback otherwise they just scream and slander into the void.
Margo said she goes to Starbucks for internet. which is more than enough time for her to check instagram, witness her mom's chimpout, and chimpout in return.
and besides, do we really believe Margo? After everything she's said?
She'll collab with Rachel & Jun, Sharla and Taylor probably. Tay will probs give her upper hand to Jap model agencies and get Venus some work. I know what will happen already.
All weebs end up as Jmodels. It's written in the stars and god help Venus and kota meet.