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No. 896142
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https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reportsCDC:
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No. 896156
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I'm getting my vaccine today wish me luck
No. 896186
>>896155I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope he'll be okay. Are you allowed to zoom with him or anything like that? Or is he allergic to technology.
>>896156Good luck anon!
No. 896330
>>896149Same, they are pretty practical and like another anon already mentioned a few days ago, I also enjoy avoiding the seasonal flues with it.
>>896155Praying and sending good vibes his way, be sure to talk a lot with him over phone.
My grandma got hospitalized for pneumonia in April, I was not allowed to visit her due to covid regulations, only after she deceased.. No. 896365
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I think my post is better here I didn't see there was a new thread
This social pressure is disgusting and also full of misinfo (telling because they provided no sources on their propaganda rag) The "99% hospitalized are unvaccinated" is based on faulty data. Many states are not required to report or track vaccinated hospitalizations. Additionally, partially vaccinated and people that got one dose of the J&J that are hospitalized are considered “unvaccinated”.
No. 896379
As I have no one to talk to in real life, I will annoy you here.
So, I'm getting my first jab tomorrow and I'm afraid and I really don't want to, but I have no choice, because I wouldn't be allowed to get some further education without testing every day and I can't pay for that. I have a "needle phobia" (don't know if that's the right English term) and I'm afraid that they won't take me serious, because I have a lot of scars on my arms and well, they might think that I don't mind pain and how can I be afraid of syringes if I can hurt myself and bla.
Also, I'm afraid of fucking up my menstrual cycle and stuff like that.
Like nonna before me, wish me luck and nice medical stuff, I don't want any more horrible memories connected to a vaccination, got a lot of them from my childhood.
>>896156good luck, nonna!
No. 896414
>>896365I agree 99% sounds wrong, and I assumed partially vaxxed or <21 days from the second dose would be included in that, but do you have a source on
> Many states are not required to report or track vaccinated hospitalizations.>>896379Good luck anon! But if it's any comfort, this was probably the easiest vaccine I've ever gotten. I haven't gotten any vaccines since I was in highschool, but I distinctly remember the needle feeling like nothing, and the vaccine being pushed into my body causing discomfort. The COVID (or Pfizer which is what I got) vaccine felt like it could have been saline since I felt nothing until like 10 minutes later my arm started hurting a little.
The people administering your vaccines, especially if they're a doctor wouldn't give a damn about your scars. They've seen so many different arms, including hairy ones, ones with tattoos, muscly arms. And they've also dealt with people who have needle phobia, it's more common than you think! If it helps you, try to make small talk to get your mind off of things. Seriously, it'll be over before you know it.
No. 896437
>>896365Yeah, they strongly impress upon you that you need to get the second dose for it to be effective. So what’s wrong with that?
>>896379It was over in less that a second. The needle seems smaller than other needles, especially ones for taking blood. I was able to feel the pressure and cold of the fluid spreading through my arm though kek
No. 896453
>>896414>>896423>>896437thank you, I will tell you in less than 24 hours how it went.
>>896439>>896450don't fight, nonnas. The advice was okay for me, it won't help, because for me, I have to look at the needle to feel less afraid (yes, my brain is stupid), but for others that might work. I have no other choice, so my brain will have to go through with it and stop being a chicken.
No. 896456
>>896450Because I have a very severe case of needle-phobia myself
nonny.
>>896454That's nice for you, but then you don't have a phobia of needles. A phobia isn't being anxious or uncomfortable, it's having a full-on panic attack or severe physical reaction to a needle.
No. 896533
>>896525When they hurt people it’s always targeted toward a certain group of people. Rich people were the first ones getting the canine, this tinfoil just doesn’t add up.
What reason would they want to kill us all indiscriminately? They want the max amount of cheap laborers they can get
No. 896544
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>>896533I don't know the reasoning but the vaccination side effects are harsh and for a while people who spoke up about their loved ones dying from the vaccine were getting removed from Reddit, Facebook, etc. On top of that fake statistics have been flying in and out and fake news articles. They've been acting shady with this since day 1 and the fake vaccination celebrity pics is also a key sign that the numbers of the vaccinated rich are obviously skewed. I literally can't and the people acting extremely unstable and not allowing people to work, travel, eat out, etc are just pushing into this and the Tumblr tards screaming in everyone's face about how you're a serial killer for not getting this shady jab are terrible as well
Honestly if we had just let COVID run its course none of this would have happened. a virus with that high of a survival rate doesn't need that and screaming at people for rightfully being suspicious when everyone and their moms is lying about the vaccine is wild
No. 896547
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How did a disease turn into a cult against people who question?
No. 896556
>>896525As if you can't die (or suffer long-term consequences) from covid itself, even as a healthy young person. I think you've at the very least got less to fear from the vaccines than you do from getting covid if you're in the rich west. Now if you're in some piss poor country with dysfunctional goverment I wouldn't take the vaxx either.
>>896544>for a while people who spoke up about their loved ones dying from the vaccine were getting removed from Reddit, Facebook, etc.Has it ever crossed your mind that people make up stories to get people on their side? (regardless of what side that is.) I mean there's people saying their kid got autism from vaccines (in general, not covid specifically) which is completely unfounded. This is anecdotal just as much as those ~my loved ones died from the vaxx~ posts you mentioned but personally I don't know anyone who has died or even suffered serious side effects from covid, nor do I know anyone who knows someone like that. And I live in a high vaxx rate country and community. There's regular medication like the pill with higher complication rates than the vaccines do.
>>896547Both sides are cults if you ask me
No. 896558
>>896544You stupid? You read what you just wrote?
>let covid run its course, killing people so no one dies because of the vaccineWhat you gonna tell these peoples families?
No. 896564
>>896558It would've just killed off the weaker people and everyone else would've built up an immunity to it. That's how nature works anon… spiders, cows, dogs, etc…Do you not know basic biology?
>But but people die!!If you can't accept death as part of nature you have no room to be talking about stupidity. Call me cold hearted but I'd rather live in a place where some people will die instead of this weird dystopia of the media lying their damn asses off and everyone constantly being paranoid and people going against each other like a war all over a vaccination for a 99% survival rate virus
No. 896580
>>896561>xenophobia Because the Chinese government has proven time and again that it is corrupt, lying, and negligent…interesting.
>you believe in conspiracy theories I don't think you can grasp the irony of that statement while being anti vax, but even so. Lab accident hasn't been ruled out.
China is literally preventing the WHO and foreign countries from conducting their investigations.
When did we get Winnie the Pooh shills on lolcow?
No. 896584
>>896547Kristallnacht for the unvaxxed soon.
>>896558That's what has happened in nearly all previous viral pandemics. That's life. Before modern healthcare existed people died all the time from both viral and anti-bacterial infections. People still die of the flu.
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>>896561>I won't let these dirty governments stick me with a needle>ARE YOU CRITICIZING THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT FOR POTENTIALLY MISHANDLING A VIRUS?! CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!Holy shit, a digital lobotomy in action.
No. 896593
>>896580>>896586That's exactly why I mentioned it. At the beginning of the pandemic, it was considered xenophobic and a conspiracy theory if anyone alluded to the virus being man-made by China. Now, it seems more of a likely scenario, and no longer regarded as a conspiracy theory, because it COULD (not proven) to be true.
As new evidence and data comes out, opinions and acceptance of things change. There shouldn't be anything wrong with being skeptical, asking questions, and waiting to see actual long-term results before taking a new kind of medicine that hasn't been vetted in the long-term scope. The vaccine only has been widely distributed for about four months and they are still studying it's effectiveness.
What happens if the vaccine isn't deemed to be effective against new variants? I don't want to inject drugs into my body when I never needed them in the first place.
What also makes me crazy is the call for affordable healthcare for all last year and the price of healthcare is unjust, but now (the same) people are saying the unvaccinated should pay more for health care. The media flip-flopping is turning me off to the vaccine even more.
No. 896602
>>896596Don't forget that cigarettes kill about 500k Americans every year. Cigarettes and secondhand smoke have killed millions upon millions of people. How are their deaths any different? All of their deaths were preventable.
It's frustrating when people pick-and-choose which causes of death are more important than others. I wish people had as much gusto preventing smokers from hospital beds as they do the unvaccinated.
No. 896605
>>896602Smokers at least contribute millions in taxes because their vice is heavily taxed and they have to pay a financial cost.
The unvacinated aren't offsetting the damage they're causing.
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>>896605Why are you blaming the unvaxxed?
No. 896611
>>896608Taxes pay for hospital beds mongloid
>>896607Im blaming the unvaxxed because in my country their the retards not following any type of guidelines to mitigate spread and are also occupying hostial beds at higher rates than vaccinated.
No. 896613
>>896605I'm unvaccinated and I am a nurse and I've worked around several COVID patients and have not gotten COVID since, including patients with the delta variant. There is a high survival rate for COVID and a lot of the hospitalization is from paranoid people who don't even need ventilators. Acting shady and continuing to fuel lies surrounding this virus isn't helping anyone and is making stuff worse.
>inb4 you're literally killing people!!then why haven't I got this super duper deadly contagious disease? especially if I am supposedly spreading it?am I superhuman or something?
I'm not saying people shouldn't take protective measures against COVID but it is logical for people to be curious of the vaccination considering how many lies are surrounding it, you don't trust liars do you?
No. 896619
>>896605>>896611So the government is using tax dollars from cigarette sales to pay for hospital beds…?
If the government needs more money, they'd raise taxes anyway.
>>896614>I don't agree with your anecdote so it must be false No. 896625
>>896623>Again what country are you a nurse in that you're hospitalising people that are only paranoid in your estimation?USA, our hospitals openly admit to keeping people who are on medicaid for longer than they need. Not justifying that but don't act like hypochondriacs who have the viruses and are scared wouldn't be able to get a bed
>Aren't you guys stretched thin?the american employment system is a complete shitshow. I've seen people with COVID with zero symptoms get hospitalized several times
>no no no your country isn't corrupt! the healthcare system would never do such wrong thingsHAHHAH
No. 896654
>>896647I agree lol nurses are massive cunts.
Anyone can just claim they’re a nurse on an imageboard kek.
No. 896659
>>896650It's probably both. I'm sure she deals with both COVID patients and hypochondriacs. It's not all black or white.
She has no obligation to tell you about her job.
No. 896661
>>896656You understand the virus has been around since 2019 and the vaccinations have only been rolled out quite recently in comparison? The variants have been diverging because its spread to the global population and when it hits different geographical areas there's going to be mutations. Its not because of the fucking vaccine.
Honestly some people shouldn't be allowed to read reports or anything out of their depth. Curse the information age.
No. 896672
>>896613inb4 replying to bait but let’s exchange anecdotes.
Do we live in different worlds? I’m from an industrialized rich country with good healthcare and know several nurses and paramedics personally. We talk about the shit they experience at work, they all had to follow the protection guidelines and many of their colleagues got infected with covid in the time before vaccines were available none the less. Several friends of mine had it and their roommates too. Weird that at the place you live it doesn’t seem to be as infectious and serious like it is here.
No. 896673
>>896663And if she did tell you but it didn't line up with your viewpoint, you'll be saying things like
>>896654 and
>>896627 No. 896676
>>896607Look it's almost like it coincides with the northern hemisphere summer holidays time and people getting vaccinations so they can holiday abroad.
Again that's not the vaccines fault. That's piss poor mismanagement of governments and cunts like Boris Johnson
No. 896696
>>896607Honestly would love for anon or someone that knows to explain this graph. I understand the dates, but what is actually being measures and quantified, what is the y axis? How have they gathered this data? That line for the vaccines could easily be restrictions lessening an more international travel and return to businesses.
Like do the unvaxxed think the entire disease is a hoax or the vaccines are more evil than the disease? And the covid deniers they're so mad at other people following guidelines but they also don't want any grief in public when they're not following restrictions. Like if you want left alone, leave others alone that want to fucking get over this pandemic. And fuck you if you have an issue over how private businesses want to deal with the unvaccinated. You can be free to do whatever the fuck you want but you've never had the right to impose yourself on any business if they don't want you.
No. 896943
>>896379I'm terrified of needles too, and it was barely even a pinch, easily the least bad needle I've ever felt. You only have to show your shoulder (at least for moderna) as well.
>>896453Closing your eyes, breathing deeply and slowly, and trying to clear your mind will really help if you can manage. I've stopped freaking out and crying using this method and I think the phobia is even going away.
>>896613>then why haven't I got this super duper deadly contagious disease?Because living in an epidemic is a probability game, the probability of catching it at any given moment in time is low, and the probability that a healthy young adult will end up asymptomatic is high.
No. 896946
>>896647It doesn't. The vax rate for actual doctors is extremely high.
>>896650she omitted where she works for a reason. she probably spends all day giving fillers to soccer moms at a medspa or something equally removed from the action
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>>896959look at how puny and mutated it is, like most men! begone scrote
No. 896963
>>896957There are a lot of very, very stupid people in the world.
Semi ot but some of the absolute dumbest people I know are nurses.
No. 896976
>>896973NTA, but I think anon means to sensationalize the dumbest minority of people, and prop them up to represent everyone who doesn't do exactly what the status quo says.
Someone who doesn't trust the vaccine will get labeled as the same as some dumbass who uses horse parasite medicine, and that's just intellectually dishonest.
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>>897115It's a good sign that people here don't know people who are ingesting ivermectin. Although pro-ivermectin people are probably keeping quiet about it to normies like them.
There's a lot of misinformation about ivermectin on both sides. It's badness has been exaggerated by a lot of vaccinated people because it's actually a perfectly safe drug. It's been used to treat malaria in third world countries and is really cheap to manufacture so if it treated COVID effectively it would be a miracle.
It does destroy COVID but at very concentrated doses. We know this is correct from in vitro studies. Which is why people are trying to use this same dosage in vivo thereby poisoning themselves and shitting out ropeworms aka
intestinal lining.The studies on ivermectin as a successful COVID treatments aren't very reliable. The more reliable studies agree that the drug (at the correct dosage) isn't harmful, but it either doesn't help or might help a little. It's not a game changer like a lot of grifters are claiming it is because the results of the studies aren't statistically significant, and more research needs to be done.
In the meantime, I don't really mind if people choose to take ivermectin under a doctor's supervision. Doctors already are prescribing a cocktail of medications that
might work but don't cause obvious harm to the patient. The only one that seems to be pretty helpful at this point is remdesivir which is administered in very severe cases.
If only there was some kind of treatment that already had a multitude of reliable studies done on it…
No. 897319
>>897251lmao its that doctor who claims that the vaccine causes prion disease and alzheimers without any proper studies, relying on his own 20 year old antivaxx papers and other old studies to prove that the MRNA vaccine for COVID is bad. you have to be retarded to not understand the issue with this. some of those papers even predate the original sars… on the paper i'm referencing, the only relevant studies to the virus that we've known about since late 2019 were some preprints… preprints aren't peer reviewed and sometimes get taken down for being dog shit. e.g. that ivermectin study which was plagiarised and forged.
this paper that you've linked is surprise, surprise exactly like the last one i read. he references the same 2002 antivaxx paper which apparently proves that vaccines cause diabetes. irrelevant to the discussion of mrna technology unless you're an antivaxxer who wants to push your agenda… oh wait…
> Since marketing has begun multiple reports of potential, adverse events have been recorded. These reports include prion disease [2,3] , clotting disorders [4], myocarditis, reproductive issues, death and many more.2 and 3 are his own papers fyi.
> There is an old saying, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This saying can be applied to the COVID-19 mass immunization program. The US anthrax attack of 2001, which originated at US army is Fort Detrick, has demonstrated that there are people in the US government who desire to attack US citizens [10]10 is his own paper btw. he's a funny dude thanks for reminding me he exists
No. 897502
Got my first shot (Pfizer) today and so far nothing, but it's been only 5 hours, so we will see what happens. After all I will have a very close look at my cycle, hope that the vaccine won't affect it and that I won't have any side effects.
Still, I'm annoyed that I have to get vaccinated, I didn't want to, but I have no choice if I want to get some further education, so I hope everything will be okay. And no, I'm not anti-vax, quite the opposite and this whole situation reminded me that it's time to finally get all those vaccines I've missed because of needle phobia and stupidity. I just don't like testing medicine without getting money for it, kek.
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Can anyone knowledgeable explain to me why PEGs are commonly warned against in skincare products, but then they are present in the vaccines? I already got vaxxed so I'm not asking to cause problems but I want to know what is up with that. It's kind of worrying to me but then I don't know much about any of it.
(Secondary question you don't have to answer: if I only got 1 pfizer shot can I just stop there? I'm young so that should be enough if you ask me. If they start requiring mandatory vaccines for me would that be enough as well?)
No. 898078
>>898064I'm in the same boat, don't want my second shot, but have to, if I won't, I would have to pay for tests every day to be allowed to attend my classes. I can't afford that, so I'm forced to be fully vaccinated before my "school" starts.
They are already talking about the third shot here and I hope that I've finished my job training when it becomes mandatory.
>>898060I wonder, the ones having irregular cycles now, do you take birth control? This whole stuff is making me worried and angry, because it's not even listed at a real side effect here and I feel like women are, again, not taking serious.
No. 898259
>>898002>>898170 has a good response but the image you showed is probably from one of those "chemicals are bad" websites and generally base their fears on studies where rats are exposed to highly concentrated amounts. i grew up being told all of those chemicals are wrong, but the studies show they're fine. i also grew up being told vaseline causes cancer but it's perfectly fine and a golden grail skin product for some
some people are allergic to these products, but most aren't.
parabens are safe, they're a preservative.
PEGs are safe and are used as stabilizers.
phtalates -
toxic in high quantities to animals and caused what's in the infographic to them. unclear if small amounts are perfectly safe so i err on the side of caution with this.
parfums - perfectly safe but can be irritating. some people like fragrance, i don't react well to it.
paraffin - safe and really moisturizing.
No. 898421
I feel like I'm going insane a little, so please excuse me because I need to vent.
Alright, we locked down, but despite that, cases still went up. I'm convinced it's inevitable that most people will come into contact with this disease because that's just how the world works and you can't shut yourself away, isolated, forever. But it seems like that's what they want us to do? Why aren't lockdowns over yet? Why, why why? When this all started we were all shown these pictures of people in China littering the streets, unconscious bodies. It was terror. Yet now we know that wasn't exactly how it played out in reality, right? So what was that?? Why were we shown that? In that scenario, it made sense to lock down. It doesn't anymore. The numbers are similar to the flu although they're very very hard to find for some reason, you can only get sensationalized articles. I'm not trying to be some crazy conspiracy theorist, really, I'm frustrated from my own searches for answers. Please don't make this a battle. I just want to know why we are still having our lives tampered with and ruined because of this. Yes there's long covid but how long does that last til it goes away? Do we really know yet? I'm actually willing to lose my sense of taste or smell I don't care anymore. I just want the madness to end. I did my own calculations on the very numbers mainstream sources give us, yet for some reason they don't give you the percentages we need. But I got them myself with a calculator, it's easy. People who are not fucking elderly are not at high risk at all, so what is happening? Why do I get the feeling this is never going to end. Can any of you envision the world going back to the way it was? To sanity? No, and the news outlets tell you it won't. As if that's reasonable. They will even spin it like things are better now than they were before. No! I need to breathe air and see people in person! Fuck this distance working and learning and going insane! Ok, god, I'm forcing myself to stop typing now. If someone gives me a hostile reply I'm ignoring it, because that's not helpful. If you can give me a calm, well-reasoned answer to this I will worship your feet. I want to know how any of this makes sense anymore. When will it end.
No. 898429
>>898421It's ok nonna, I was just as angry as you when I started asking questions. I just think the rich old farts knew the truth from the beginning but since they were the only ones affected they wanted to fuck everyone up out of pure evil, politicians gobbled it up and now they're pushing it because of sunken cost fallacy. If one big politician suddenly said "hey we were wrong" it would be political suicide so they have to keep the scam going.
Don't worry, it will go away and the covilievers who push hardest now for all the draconian measures will be the ones screeching on social media "but we knew it all along!!1!" when the media starts spinning the narrative. I won't forget them though and definitely not forgive, I almost killed myself during lockdown because of these unempathetic fat fucks who are scared of a cold.
No. 898433
>>898429>>898431Thank you anons. I'm just so frustrated and I wish it would end. I think anyone with a soul should be feeling this way. I'm sorry we all had to suffer through this, I'm sorry to you anon and anyone whos had to deal with suicidal urges, the domestic abuse, I'm just so damn sorry and I wish someone actually responsible for it would be.
>Don't worry, it will go awayI hope you're right.
I really really hope.
No. 898601
>>898102thank you, it worked fine for me, was over before I could worry, had support from a friend and I had something to drink and chew on me.
>>898106okay, that will be interesting for me, don't use birth control and don't have sex either, if something comes up I will see where to report it in Germany. Got my period 2 days before the first shot, lets see what will happen after the second shot in 20 days.
>>898542I dislike the idea of testing new medicine and I'm afraid of side effects and to be honest, I'm one of the few people still wearing my mask right and stuff like that, others have been on holiday and got back bringing Covid with them, I've been avoiding people for months now, why can't it be enough that I just wear my mask around everyone?
>>898584nta, for me, I need to be vaccinated, not vaccinated means I'm not allowed for classes for my job training, except I pay for tests daily (later maybe not even allowed to participate with a test) and I can't afford that as I already have to pay for said training, so, I'm forced to get the vaccine or stay at home, being unemployed forever. So, no choice for me.
No. 898636
>>898002offtopic but parabens are perfectly fine. The original study redacted their claim that parabens may cause breast cancer, and the products that companies use to replace parabens are often more
toxic than parabens themselves
No. 898748
>>898624This isnt the conspiracy thread and this is a shit conspiracy too because having a lockdown is so fucking bad for the economy. Many countries like my own actually try everything to avoid lock downs because they're afraid of how much money they will lose.
Idk just reading this thread and seeing all these tinfoil fags claiming that covid is fake is really annoying. Like i can understand people being afraid of needles or side effects. But actually saying that covid is made up by the goverment and that they're trying to put chips in you and make money by actually making you sick and then selling the medicine is actually retarted. Especially for someone like me who doesn't live in a shit country like America with horrible expensive health care system. Like you have real life examples of countries like Brazil and India where covid hit so hard. And did everyone forget about Spain and Italy at the start of covid?
I do sympathise with the poor Americafags that cant pay for a vax or test. In my country students get send self test for free by there own school.
No. 898788
>>898748I don't think anyone denies covid. It's more that it doesn't make sense.
Why are we being told to wear paper masks and not rated N95/FPP2 masks?
There is no evidence that paper masks do anything against covid, while rated masks are designed to stop inhalation of biohazards and are proven to work. Covid enters the body through mucus membranes so shouldn't we also be wearing glasses or face shields?
Why is there push for the entire population to be vaccinated with an experimental vaccine no long term safety data when the majority of healthy people have a 99% survival rate?
Wouldn't it make more sense to isolate and vaccinate the vulnerable while telling the rest of the population to wear safety glasses, a rated mask and wash their hands?
No. 898789
>>898748>having a lockdown is so fucking bad for the economyI never said it's good for the eocnomy, I said it's good for the biggest corporations, just google to see how much more amazon walmart etc made during lockdown.
>claiming that covid is fake is really annoying>actually saying that covid is made up by the goverment and that they're trying to put chips in you and make money by actually making you sick and then selling the medicine is actually retartedNever said that, I know it's hard to grasp but anyone who talks shit about what's happening right now isn't automatically a trumpster caricature.
No. 898792
>>898788Shhh, asking relevant and reasonable questions isn't allowed here.
I'm so sad that they are coming out with a vaccine for 5 to 11 year old children.
After COVID is eradicated, what chronic illness will they come out with a cure for next? HIV? Cancer? If all scientists can come together and find a cure for a life-threatening disease, they have no excuse for not doing this again for other illnesses.
But I bet you that won't happen.
No. 898812
>>898788same questions I've been asking since the beginning, but if you ask too loud you are egoistic, right wing and anti-vax. And because people here accepted everything very easily you can tell people that they aren't allowed to take part in normal life without being vaccinated or recovered (but not longer than 6 months ago, please) and when you then say that this is the same like a mandatory vaccination, well, you are right wing, egoistic, don't understand science and you should please fill in a form that you will reject every treatment for Covid because you don't deserve to have a different opinion, oh, and don't forget, why do you even want to go out?
If the system right now wouldn't force me to get the vaccine, I wouldn't and I understand everyone who is sceptical and I don't think that being sceptical of a new vaccine means that you are in any way against other vaccines.
No. 898815
>>898792Vaccins aren't cures and cancer vaccins already exist.
>they have no excuse for not doing this again formoney
No. 898830
>>898775How often do I have to explain here that immune reactions affect hormonal balance? It’s not a phenomen limited to vaccines and nothing new.
No one is denying that assholes will continue to profit off everything they can get their hands on, of course new situations like a global pandemic brings financial ruin for some and new opportunities for others. But some posts itt are either very poorly articulated or just straight up retarded tinfoils. And with that I don’t mean anon who is annoyed at this global shitshow.
>>898792Covid will not be eradicated, it will become endemic like the other coronaviruses we already have. What makes you sound like a conspiracy tard with an agenda is shit like this:
>Shhh, asking relevant and reasonable questions isn't allowed here.Most of those questions have been answered already in these threads, but the same shit gets asked again and again all the fucking time
No. 898861
>>898830But the answers that are given don't make sense.
As anon said, COVID enters the body through mucus membranes, including the eyes. If stopping the spread is so important, why are we leaving part of our bodies (eyes)in the open for infection transmission? Not only that, when goggles or face shields provide an additional layer of protection, why do we have to force vaccines on unwilling people when can use these non-invasive options with fewer health consequences are available?
I'm seeing more and more stories about breakthrough infections among the vaccinated. It's not inspiring any confidence in me to get the vaccine. The media says we have to stop the spread, which the vaccine clearly doesn't do. If the end game now is to minimize symptoms, why should a vaccine be forced on those who are already asymptomatic?
No. 898871
>>898830I think that many women just didn't knew that an immune reaction can affect your menstrual cycle this much. I didn't knew it because never in my life did it happen, only time I fucked up my cycle was living vegan for 2 weeks and I've been avoiding huge amounts of soy since then. Overall, many just worry, because we know that female health is often not the main part of science and I think they should tell you getting the vaccine that changes to your menstrual cycle can happen, without you having to ask for that specific information. I'm late to the vaccination party and my "doctor" didn't tell me anything about it and no where on the papers I had to read before getting the vaccine it was mentioned.
In my country the pandemic let to people being rich getting even more money and people being poor just staying poor, so, nothing new in that dynamic of the world.
>>898861I don't understand why you just can't get an antibody test and after that it will be decided if you need a vaccine or not. The thought that I might have to get a vaccine every 6 months isn't okay for me, I didn't want the vaccine in the first place and now I might have to get 3 shots or more?
No. 898894
>>898789Economist here, it's good for some 'corporations' but many had initial losses and had to change their sales strategies to turn it around. E-commerce has done much better but in-store sales for the unnecessary departments within Walmart definitely tanked during the first few months of the pandemic. Anything that requires a test period or 'try-on' like clothes basically fell to nothing while e-commerce sales rose.
https://www.ranosys.com/blog/insights/ecommerce-and-covid-19-the-realities-of-retailing/You know what's fucked up? For most e-commerce retailers, online returns are just thrown out. Ik some people have ordered something to get an obviously previously returned item (I'm not discrediting that) but in regards to clothes in particular, I've heard that online clothing returns are automatically 'disposed' aka thrown into the ocean in some developing Southeast Asian country where it doesn't break down because all of these clothes are made out of polyester. So all the people who thought, "oh I'll just order things and try them on that way" has been really fucking bad for the environment.
No. 898951
>>898861because it's about stopping everyone from spreading it, not protecting a few people from catching it. that's the intent of surgical masks, it stops the wearer from spreading whatever they have to others. your eyes don't shoot droplets into the air but talking, sneezing and spitting does. on top of that, people normally don't talk or sneeze into other peoples eyes. normally if the virus enters someones eyes, its from the person having the virus on their fingers and rubbing them.
ideally people would wear goggles and faceshields too. i had to call the ambulance recently and the paramedics wore masks and safety goggles. that's something we can expect from medical staff but not everyone can be expected to wear. it adds a little bit of extra protection especially when they're in close contact with infected people.
i like how you assume that everyone who is antivaxx is pro mask. do we live on the same planet? most antivaxxers, especially all of the very vocal ones won't even wear a mask. it doesn't work or it only works a little bit so why fucking bother in the end? because reducing the spread and flattening the curve is the goal, and wearing a mask is something almost everyone can do. i can do it just fine, including while doing light exercise and i have a chronic sinus condition that i would have had surgery for if my town didn't get ravaged by delta.
No. 899442
>>899337Here it's vaccinated, cured or tested (daily). Around mid October we will have to pay for the tests, so it will be vaccinated or cured and cured only for 6 months, then you need a vaccine. If you have a reason why you can't be vaccinated there are exceptions, I think.
That said, it's a private university, don't know how all the others in Germany handle it. Still annoyed by it, because which choice do you have? Most won't be able to pay 200 Euro or more just for tests a month, especially when the monthly payment for the university itself is already killing you.
I just hate this whole situation.
No. 900192
>>900047I wonder if the flu will be around this year, or if they'll say again that "masking and social distancing prevented the flu last year" kek
Does anyone know if it's true that the CDC is calling any breakthrough symptoms "mild" so long as someone doesn't end up hospitalized?
No. 900207
>>900047There is no one flu shot through, they have to develop a new one every year. The reason your not immune to the flu after you've had it is because it always changes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccineAnd close to half of all americans have a bmi over 30.
No. 900208
>>900192>wonder if the flu will be around this year, or if they'll say again that "masking and social distancing prevented the flu last year" Wouldn't shock me. This winter will mark a full two years since I've been sick with anything and I'm constantly exposed to other people, whereas previously I could expect to have a cold at least three times a year. A month before coronavirus came to my country I went through the nastiest flu myself, and now nothing since.
Putting a muzzle on people's gobs in public has done a lot of good to abet the spread of germs.
>>900047>the vaccines you took for kindergartenAnd the vaccines that people take for attending college, working in a medical setting, visiting a foreign country, or when people step on a rusty piece of metal. It's kinda funny how people think vaccines are a childhood-only thing, makes me wonder if you actually know what you're talking about. And anyway, many vaccines that people now consider normal, at least enough to not have so many conspiratards about it, have only existed in the past 20 years and aren't nearly as old as you think.
>Not a brand new vaccine that isn't even effective at stopping spreadIt is effective at stopping the spread of the variant the vaccine was designed for. More than 90% which is about the rate of most 'established' vaccines you mentioned. It would have been effective at stopping spread had everyone gotten the vaccine, the vaccines been distributed in a fair manner to other countries, and lockdown mandates (until everyone got the vaccine) had been followed including no travel between countries. It's because of half-baked decisions by leadership and politicians influenced by the screaming of ignorant constituents that we are now dealing with multiple variants and continued spreads. That's why the vaccine is having more breakthrough infections and spread.
>an illness that is highly unlikely to kill anyone under 70 or under BMI 30 And anyone with a pre-existing condition that may not even be diagnosed like high blood pressure and pre-diabetes, which an average younger person is capable of having without knowing it. Which is why a lot of unvaccinated non-fat and non-geriatric people have either died or became very ill.
And here's the kicker: Because so many unvaccinated people are clogging up hospital ERs, there's now an influx of people dying from preventable things like needing minor surgeries and car accidents because there isn't a fucking bed at the hospitals and even if they got one they won't receive the same level of care since medical staff are too overloaded from dealing with covid patients. So it's funny how the virus is actually causing a lot of death that you're downplaying for reasons.
>It would be like legislating that you have to get the flu shot before attending school. They should. The flu mutates every year and it's nasty.
We already have vaccines for other viruses that mutate like rotavirus, this isn't unusual.
No. 900224
>>900208>It's kinda funny how people think vaccines are a childhood-only thingWhen is the last time you got a booster shot for something as an adult? Other than the flu.
>visiting a foreign countryI understand why vaccines are required for travel. Those vaccines are for illnesses with much higher fatality rates than the less than 1% for COVID, and those vaccines have been around for years.
They use last year's flu data to make the vaccine for the upcoming year. Right now, why would I get a vaccine designed for last year's flu/COVID strain, now that data shows people get bad symptoms from Delta after vaccination, and can still spread it to others? If it doesn't work for Delta, they'll need a new vaccine and shouldn't be mandating people take a vaccine designed for a strain that is no longer prevalent.
>It would have been effective at stopping spread had everyone gotten the vaccineIf EVERYONE has to get a vaccine in order for it to actually work, that makes yet another thing we have to rely on pharma for. Medicine can be great, but it's not a good mindset to look to medicine as our go-to prevention instead of natural immunity. Has there been any research on natural immunity and how humans can become more self-sufficient without the use of medicine?
>It would be like legislating that you have to get the flu shot before attending school. >They should.This is a personal anecdote, but both myself and my family have never gotten the flu shot, and we have never gotten the flu. I'm not taking medicine for something that I'm not affected by. If I do end up getting the flu one year, I may reconsider, but until then, I'm not fixing what isn't broken.
No. 900376
>>900224You know anon, it's okay to admit when you don't know something.
>When is the last time you got a booster shot for something as an adult? I had a tetanus vaccine when I stepped on a nail two years ago. My dad got one last week when he almost power-sawed his finger off while working on a fence, he hadn't had a tetanus shot in almost 20 years.
Would you like a comprehensive list of vaccines that adults get? I can provide one for you if you're unable or unwilling to Google it yourself. Yes, adults are often vaccinated or boostered for things.
>Those vaccines are for illnesses with much higher fatality ratesWhat illnesses are you referring to?
>than the less than 1% for covid This is a mental shortcut that leads people to thinking the vaccine isn't serious.
Take the US:
If you can imagine all 328 million of US residents were not vaccinated and all exposed and contracted covid, then a 1% kill rate=3.28 million deaths. If all 328 million Americans were vaccinated, then 95% of them wouldn't even get the disease. So if the 16.4 million vaccinated people leftover were infected, and the fatality rate for vaccinated being .008%, then that's 131,000 dead.
Which is greater: 3,280,000, or 131,000.
The vaccine should have been mandatory.
>now that data shows people get bad symptoms from Delta after vaccinationWhat data?
The reason why you take the vaccine is because you still have a greater chance of having less serious covid symptoms than if you had no vaccine. In fact, if you really believe the vaccinated are even dealing with delta poorly, then it should sway you to consider one.
>that makes yet another thing we have to rely on pharma forWe already rely on pharmaceutical science for most things, most people on this planet would not be alive or lead fulfilling lives if it weren't for pharmaceutical advancements.
>go-to prevention instead of natural immunityNatural immunity means nothing if it kills a good chunk of hosts and mutations gets passed around year after year like the flu so that no one ever has true immunity. You're basically hoping your body can handle it until one year when you're either old or have a condition that you bite the big one or suffer extremely. Sophisticated countries don't like to operate that way.
>Has there been any research on natural immunity and how humans can become more self-sufficient without the use of medicine?Is people resisting the vaccine helping us out so far?
No. 900419
>>896525I hate this notion that anyone taking the vaccines trusts the government. It's completely retarded. I was hesitant about the vaccine at first, but after researching how long we've been studying mRNA vaccines, learning that we were already researching covid vaccines BEFORE the pandemic, knowing that late-onset vaccine side effects just do not ever happen, comparing my chance of dying from covid (even as a healthy young person) to the chances of dying from the vaccine, and then researching which vaccine would be safest for a young woman, the choice was ridiculously clear and I needed no help from our garbage government to come to that conclusion.
It's almost like people are capable of doing their own research and coming to a different conclusion than you, and aren't just mindless zombies putting their faith in the government/media.
No. 900432
>>900387Based on how many people survive the flu, I think we will be fine IF we ever do get it.
>>900376So you got the vaccine after you stepped on the nail, not before? And sure, if you’re willing to provide the list of vaccines for adults. Especially ones that require multiple boosters, which may be likely for COVID..
Illnesses for travel like yellow fever, polio, and meningitis, which alll have significantly higher fatality rates thanCOVID.
You are using a 1% fatality rate, but looking at the data for the US, there have been about 40 million cases and 647,000 deaths, which is about a .17% fatality rate, not 1%.
Has there been any proof that breakthrough infections are only because of the unvaccinated? I try to find research, but I can find only claims. I’m not even sure they can make that a scientific claim since the vaccine has only been available to the general public for a few months.
What do you attribute Israel’s rise in cases to?
No. 900461
>>900451What country are you in? Cinemas, pubs, and restaurants are one thing, but public transportation?!?!
How will the poor without cars even be able to get to a clinic to get vaccinated if that is mandated? It's sketchy and doesn't make any sense.
No. 900507
>>900451What makes this worse is that apparently, if you catch COVID and fight it off, your natural immunity is actually much stronger than if you had gotten vaccinated.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1This is listed as a preprint, but the data itself has been corroborated and taken into account by professionals.
>Background: Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.
>Methods: We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naive individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.
>Results: SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naive vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.
>Conclusions: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant. No. 900510
>>899477To be honest, I'm happy that's it not online, because my internet is a bitch (yes, Germany is great at digital stuff, we know it) and what I'm learning would be really hard to learn considering my living situation, but I just don't understand how they can expect poor people (most students are poor) to pay for their tests every 24 hours. Still, I'm angry and annoyed and it feels like everything they do is for the upcoming election and after that, well, don't know, don't care.
>>900381used public transport today, four times. In my city, you should wear a mask a the stations, I was the only one wearing the mask and that's what's happening all around me for months now. Since the vaccine is available, no one cares anymore. We had many people going on holiday, coming back with Covid and because they were vaccinated, they could spread it everywhere. There are still many people that believe vaccinated = can't catch or spread Covid.
>>900458good to know, hope more women will keep us updated on their period here, because that's one of the things I'm really worried about.
>>900504I got vaccinated in a shopping mall without the doctor even knowing if I have a medical history, only had to fill in some paperwork. And as soon as I had questions he shut me up and vaccinated me. I fear that Germany will take the same road like Italy soon.
No. 900567
>>900507Well that's good to know, too bad that the people making the laws don't really give a shit about what a lot of experts say and test.
>>900519Of course it would never work, they make some ridiculous laws but don't even make the effort to check if things are being done right. I'm not really against the vaccines, I just think that the way they get pushed is a bit shady, but I wish that they would make reasonable laws and be clear for once. And honestly? I don't think that all those politicians who now want to enforce the vaccine have even really taken the vaccine, but that's for the tinfoil thread.
No. 900823
>>900208
> Which is why a lot of unvaccinated non-fat and non-geriatric people have either died or became very ill. Anon, you know that is just straight up not true unless "a lot" means basically any amount to you. During the Spanish flu pandemic people put babies in ovens and never left the house because it was killing young, healthy people left and right. If the coronavirus was killing healthy working-age people ALL sorts of shit would just be shut down. The military would be delivering packets of food to us, no daycare in the country would be open, and people would bring out their dead to the plague wagons. There are freak incidents for sure, and they're sad, but this isn't polio and it isn't scarlet fever.
I'm pro vaccine but I stop short of just mandating it, and I definitely am in no rush for children to get it considering only 300 or so kids have died from COVID and they basically all had leukemia. Which is absolutely tragic but life has to go on. If in two years the vaccines prove to be as safe and effective as flu shots, by all means, shoot 'em up.
No. 900891
>>896962Almost every decision you make is a game of probability. Every medication you take involves risk, even aspirin. Plenty of women take birth control pills every day at the slightest risk of developing blood clots or stroke.
Yes, vaccinations can have terrible outcomes for a very unlucky few (approx. 0.00001% of the population who have got COVID vaccine have experienced complications), but COVID has terrible outcomes for a much larger percentage of the population by comparison to the nth degree. Now you calculate risk and probability. I would much rather be vaccinated and get COVID, than be unvaccinated and get COVID.
Vaccines are how we were able to obliterate polio. Anti-vaxxers are the reason why we are seeing diseases return that humans eradicated with vaccines decades or even centuries ago. Anon, please actually research and read arguments for why vaccines are a good thing by actual medical professionals, virologists and scientists who know what they're talking about, rather than being contrarian, self-serving and conspiratorial in your mindset. It is stupid to believe you know better than the vast majority of medical scientists who are only looking out for the wellbeing of humanity.
No. 900929
>>900891>approx. 0.00001% of the population who have got COVID vaccine have experienced complicationsWhere did those numbers come from? Some anons already talked about their doctors disregarding mentions of possible health complications and/or attributing it to something else. Nevermind people themselves sometimes tend to do this in their willingness to trust and avoid conflict.
I know it's an anecdote, but case on point is my mum, who had an almost deadly stroke 11 years ago. She got the vaccine without any questions and two weeks after her second vaccine, she had what was all the symptoms for a second stroke out of nowhere, despite being in a very relaxed atmosphere on a holiday. Since then she also complains about heart pains, but absolutely refuses to see a possible connection to her vaccine shot.
No. 901352
>>900929This is depressing. Seeing so many people refuse to be rational or like…normal about this topic is making me wonder if antivaxxers have some points.
Some people are clinging so hard to the promise that getting vaccinated will save the world from COVID (it clearly isn't, this is proving to be about money) that they're wishing death on others, flouting pretty much all health precautions, and living in denial about the side effects. I think it's just too much for them to even consider that they've been lied to on a massive scale.
I don't even think it's about the vaccine anymore, for some people. It's about pride and denial.
No. 901410
>>901260same I hate them so much for this. why are they still doing this to us
>>901394I agree it's like a switch goes off in people's heads to assume they know everything about you and like you personally gave everyone covid even if you did get vaxed. it's kinda scary how did they get this knee jerk seething hatred? the media as well? I miss being able to have civil, open-minded convo because that's how you get facts while this other way is just more dividing.
No. 901459
>>896547This. I dont understand the aggression and preachiness that some people going with.
By using scare tactics and flat out insulting those who question, I feel like it's making shit worse. I also think it's unfair to lump those with vaccine hesitation into the same category as those who storm the streets in protest and argue about masks wherever they go.
No. 901635
>>901428>you need the second dose for total immunityThousands and thousands of people are getting COVID after getting fully vaccinated. There is no such thing as total immunity
>for some peopleExactly. It's cruel to mandate a vaccine with no evidence of long term effectiveness.
No. 901862
>>901813this, so much.
My parents didn't care for any vaccination since I'm 16 and now it's soooo important that I get the vaccine and they don't understand that I'm only getting it because I'm forced to. If I could, I would sit this vaccine out and wait for another one. But in the end, my parents are happy now (and I'm even more annoyed)
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https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/oh-my-fucking-god-get-the-fucking-vaccine-already-you-fucking-fucksIf someone actually sent me this because I am not vaccinated (and I didn't stumble upon it via social media) it would make me
not want to get the vaccine even more. And like… It's not even funny? Oh you used the work fuck every other word? Brilliant. Pinnacle of humor.
No. 902348
Vent incoming. I empathize so much with all of you anons who are apprehensive about getting the vaccine and who see the faults in some of the arguments made for everyone to get it. It’s so bizarre seeing people wishing others would die to make other people see the “light” and get the jab.
It feels so dystopian to have people have this mob mentality and just not seem to understand things aren’t always black and white. My dad, whose a lifelong smoker and not very healthy (overweight) and my baby half brother got COVID and are recovering fine. He isn’t vaxxed, he’s a proper conspiracy theorist, like new world order shit. It’s bizarre finally having someone in my life get it and he’s the one I’d worry about the most, and he’s getting over it like anything else.
I just want to get it over with, who cares if I die at this point, I get why people wanna fucking die. Who wants to live in a world where you can’t see your loved ones because of travel restrictions, lose your job or be denied schooling due to not seeing the personal benefit to the vaccine. Everyone can still spread it, everyone can still get it, sure maybe it might lessen the damage but when you’re someone who is in good health and not in the demographic that would be impacted, it’s hard to see the point. If the issue is my unvaxxed ass taking up a hospital bed, I’ll stay home, fuck it,. That and don’t some of these people want “anti vaxxers” to die anyways? See, I can help with that, no problem. Neat right?
Sorry all, I’m just so frustrated, haven’t seen family in over 2 years almost and I’ve been healthier physically and mentally than I’ve ever have been. But, no vaxx? Tough shit. If it is completely harmless, then fine, egg on my face I guess. But there are no take backs once it’s done and the promises the vaxx held, to bring us back to “normal?” It can still spread, we’re still masked, things are still restricted. I know nothing is flawless and it’s never going away, but the goalposts having moved over and over again makes me lose hope. Honestly, if the NovaVax one is ever available, then I’m down. Could still cause issues due to the spike protein, but the clinical trials seem promising. Here’s hoping. But it probably wouldn’t count anyways, since only the big three are approved to get into Canada anyways.
No. 902469
>>902295This article is the definition of 'tell me you're autistic without saying you're autistic.'
>>902351Seriously. Dumbass Wendy Molyneux doesn't seem to know that the vaccinated can also spread COVID. She probably was so proud of herself for saying "fuck" every other word.
No. 902485
>>902351The "woooow you're afraid of a little needle/sore arm" is so far removed from the actual reasons people don't want the vaccine that I'm shocked its still a talking point.
>>902348I feel 100% the same way, well put. They just reinstated an indoor mask mandate in my area for essentially no reason and seeing 90% of people just up and comply with it suddenly because they were told to by the pathetic local government is depressing.
No. 902912
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The retconning of very symptomatic breakthrough COVID infections as "mild" is some true vaxxNPC cope. Redditors are so damn smug, like who wouldn't be mad they got vaxxed for COVID and then ended up sick as a dog anyway
No. 903721
>>902511same anon. i'm a relatively healthy and slightly more active than average person. what convinced me to get the vaccine was seeing people who are healthier and more active than me get hospitalized because they were unvaxxed. i've done a shit tonne of research on the vaccine and a lot of anti-vaxxer arguments are poorly researched and don't stick.
vent - i'm finding it increasingly harder to sympathize with anti-vaxx people. not ALL anti-vaxxers are like this, and i think this is much more of a scrote anti-vaxxer problem since … well, scrotes.
one of my friends is now a very passionate anti-vaxxer. i have argued with him time and time again about his points against the vaccine and none of the arguments make sense given what we know about the vaccine and covid. everything hinges on hearsay from conspiracy theorists or some other people with a clear agenda such as supplements to sell. and the issue with it is that he isn't interested in having a thoughtful conversation which i think is possible with some anti-vaxxers (probably the kind on LC), he will shout over you and demean you. he shouted at me over discord a few days ago when i told him that his fat uncle having a scrote is likely not vaccine related since he had the second shot a whole month ago, and the risk of blood clots from the second AZ clot is significantly lower for the second dose, so if it was related, it would have happened right after his vaccine. i blocked the bastard.
these types of people miss the forest for the trees. this goes for people who are conspiracy theorists in general but i think there's an arrogant, very scrotey personality that attracts this kind of behavior. the need to feel special for not doing what others are instead of actually putting in the time and energy to read research papers, ask questions, listen to experts, weigh up all of the evidence and make an informed decision.
i think there are genuine risks and concerns with the vaccine. but i'm really not interested in listening if after something horrible has happened to someone, your immediate thought is to blame the vaccine when it is extremely unlikely it is related… not to mention it's your fucking uncle man? where's your fucking sympathy for him?
i genuinely hope sociopathic/psychopathic/otherwise unsympathetic antivaxxers suffer long covid or die from it.
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>>903721There isn’t a big difference in the rate in which men and women get vaccinated
No. 903746
>>903739it's the difference in attitude that
triggers me, not the choice to refuse the vaccine.
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KEK, just great
No. 903781
>>903774What is that reason?
>>903763>>903721>everyone I don't agree with is retarded or a scroteNot you again…
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>>903794The Spanish Flu pandemic lasted for 3 years, with the highest death tolls in the first two and the disease later tapering off. The virus also evolved into new variants as the pandemic progressed. It was however less spreadable because people didn't
need to go on a beach holiday every year like they do now.
No. 903806
>>903758I read a similar article on that earlier, no one should be alarmed. The headline makes it seem a lot worse than it is.
If you check the CDC
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions you can see that Delta is the prevalent virus. Delta has actually been cockblocking variants like Mu that are anti-body resistant because Delta is so contagious. No one should be concerned about Mu as Delta is the real enemy. The next dominant strain will evolve from Delta, and a few of them have already been spotted. Hopefully the next iteration of COVID will have lower hospitalization rates/CFR rates but only time will tell.
>>903794It's not that likely since viruses favor being more infectious than having a higher CFR.
No. 903808
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>>903794It's fearmongering
nonnie, they have clicks to earn, masks and vaxx to sell and power they don't want to give up quite yet.
They're straight up laughing at us now. Pic related reads "Spanish mask manufacturers see them (masks) essential for the new school year". Like no shit Sherlock. Inb4 parody account, it's not.
No. 903866
>>903843Some conspiratards have claimed that touching the skin of a vaxxed person can make you sick. Nothing to do with whether or not they're COVID-positive. So those kinds of people wouldn't be okay with it, but for others I don't think they mind.
Are you from the south
nonnie? I've heard some people there refuse to serve masked patrons, it's stupid. If you want to wear your mask, keep wearing it. I don't hold the opinion of some mask-fearing moron very high considering we've been in a pandemic for over a year now.
No. 903966
>>903843that's what I'm worried about, too. I will be fully vaccinated soon, my flatmate won't. Outside I'm still wearing the mask everywhere where a lot of people are, I will keep on doing this because it prevents me from spreading that stuff and I don't care if people think I'm stupid or want to avoid me then. I just wonder, what do I do, when I'm home? I don't want to spread something to my flatmate, do I take a test every day or what?
But it's the same here, like
>>903894 said. As soon as we reached something around 50% vaccinated and normal stores opened again, people stopped wearing masks. I've seen so many people without masks at bus stops, in public transport and in stores the employees are constantly telling people to put on their masks, because you still have to wear them at said places. Also, all those people come very close, no one is keeping any distance anymore and it's so annoying, I don't want to cuddle anyone in the supermarket…
No. 903987
>>903978Sceptical about the vaccine (not in an anti-vaxx way) and not really need it, because outside of me, there isn't much contact to other people, flatmate is always wearing masks, keeping distance and washing hands properly.
It's just what I worry about, guess I will stock up on tests and hope that it will show if I got it before I can spread it and maybe one day they will be vaccinated.
No. 903995
>>903987I hope they're reimbursing you for the tests, that's really considerate of you. I wouldn't really bother with the tests since they are really expensive, and the antigen ones are not as effective if you're asymptomatic.
Sounds like your flatmate knows what they're doing, you guys should probably just avoid talking to each other unless it's on the other side of a door, and they should be really diligent with wiping things you've used down.
No. 904004
>>903995I think we will be fine, I'm still wearing my mask outside and be cautious, I just leave the house for work and even vaccinated I don't want to catch that stuff, so I'm not taking any risks.
Guess if my vaccine is through my flatmate might get it as well, seeing that I hopefully won't have side effects in the end. I can't be angry because someone is sceptical, I'm sceptical, too.
The test thing I might have to read into it, I also heard that they are often incorrect and that won't be of any use then.
No. 904031
>>904004Have you talked to her about it and what she would be "expecting" you to do?
I agree with
>>903995, if she is nervous about you getting her sick, she should be the one purchasing tests for you and doing any sanitizing that you wouldn't have normally done yourself.
I have a good feeling that she will be fine, however. Yes, unvaccinated are hospitalized at a higher rate than those who are vaccinated (although that seems to be changing relatively quickly, look at Israel), the chances that someone who gets COVID and also needs to be hospitalized are very small to begin with.
The CDC is even calling any case where someone isn't in the hospital as "mild," even if that person is laid up in bed for two weeks. I think calling that mild is bullshit, but I digress..
No. 904502
>>904031yeah, we talked about it and everything is fine between my flatmate and me and we will get through that pretty well, I think.
For me it's just stupid to drop every precautions just because you are vaccinated, in my city there are already some people back in hospital even though they got the vaccine and we will see more of that pretty soon.
No. 904637
>>904165learn how to interpret statistics. this has already been debunked. the vaccine is working but it isn't infallible. its efficacy is lower for older, particularly sick people and most old and/or sick israelians are vaccinated. the efficacy also wanes.
if it didn't work, they wouldn't be doing booster shots right now.
if you could read you'd know that the vaccine doesn't reduce the amount of transmission for delta. thats why social distancing is needed in addiction to high vaccine rates to flatten the curve.
No. 904812
>>904795scrolling by and disappointed this wasn't in response to another
nonny who couldn't get to the bathroom and had to get creative
No. 905044
>>904774Ikr it’s poorly articulated but exactly as that anon said. They work, but aren’t optimized yet so they lose efficiency over time faster than other vaccines.
Also even if there may be many anons who are unsure about a lot of stuff surrounding this topic and/or annoyed I’m pretty sure there’s at least one dedicated samefag who regularly shits up this thread with hardline anti-vax shit since a month or two. It’s like someone suddenly found this thread and decided to aggressively spread their agenda everywhere, if you look at how these threads used to be until then it’s pretty obvious imo.
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i got covid and recovered (tested negative) in may. i haven't had my period since april… am i the only one who has that? im unvaccinated because it wasn't available in my country for me but i notice some women said similar things happened to their period when they got vaccinated, i have yet to hear about another woman getting this from covid…
i lost a bit of weight when i was sick but i'm more or less the same now. 21 BMI so i'm not underweight. i want to get the vaccine so i have the maximum amount of protection since delta wasn't in my country when i got sick so i don't want to be like that guy who recovered from alpha so he didn't get vaccinated but then got hospitalized when he got delta. but at the same time i would like my period back, the side effects of amenorrhea scared the shit out of me.
i've done a lot of research trying to bring it back but nothing is working. i'm sleeping 10 hours a day, snacking on nuts, having half an avocado a day (with my already balanced diet) and i still haven't gotten anything.
No. 905210
>>905068I made one of those posts and I'm not anti vax, and definitely not the same person who posted the others.
I just pointed out that a chart that was posted made no sense (instead of having categories like idk "white men" and "black women" etc, it had "whites" general and "men" general, like there's no… overlap… between the two? I'm still angry about it) and everyone assumed I was being anti-vax instead of just ocd kek.
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>>905171I had it and recovered too but I got neurological problems (forgetfulness, brainfog) and haven't had my period for 2 months. I'm hoping so bad that I don't get an autoimmune disease or Alzheimer's. I fucking hate this. Both the retarded "yes vax everyone and we will be saved" and the "covid isn't real no mask for me" can f off. I already had shitty health since birth, either I got long covid or complications from the vac (lots of autistic/ai ppl are reporting horrible side effects). Sickly and elderly are just supposed to deal with it I guess, we have no fucking "value" anymore. I'm scared to go to the Dr about my symptoms bc they'll most likely try to make me get the vac even though I know it will just make things worse for me. Bc even if tons of ppl with a condition are telling them something's wrong, they won't believe it until a man in a lab coat says it.
No. 905566
>>905535I haven't heard any talk about it either, which is weird. I had really bad symptoms that my parents refused to take me to hospital for bc they though I was just over reacting. No one else in family got sick so they think I was just having a drawn out breakdown/panic attack or something, I feel so dumb I got duped by their gaslighting and now realize it was probably covid.
The first day I found it very difficult to breathe, not because my nose was blocked but because it was like I couldn’t get enough oxygen. Very dizzy uncoordinated and forgetful, and my heart hurt.
The second day it was horrible, like knives were being jammed into my brain, all pointing to the middle of my skull. My brain was buzzing like thousands of bees. More dizzy, breathless, and uncoordinated, and it felt like my heart would skip because it was trying so hard to beat. I had waves of nausea later in the day.
Third day I had to stay in bed, the pain in my head was worse but the buzzing stopped. My heart felt like it was going to stop. For the week after that I was still oxygen impaired and my heart had random pains. Now my heart and breathing is fine, but I'm more forgetful and well, dumb. Pretty sure I got substantial brain damage.
For 3 weeks after covid I couldn't sleep for more than a few hours. My brain was firing "wake up" signals every minute. I also was much more aggressive for no reason.
Honestly I want to kms, it ruined my already shitty life.
No. 905578
>>905575nta but I was hesitant about the vaccine and reading stuff from tinfoil anons here makes me nervous sometimes, but then I read these experiences and I’m really glad I got the vaccine. Even if it’s not perfect and permanent it’s better than nothing.
Besides, everyone I care about got the vaccine so if they die or suffer I wouldn’t want to live either. We’ll be in it together kek
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>>906134You could try a Respro mask or something similar. They're designed for fitness activities such as running or cycling around traffic so they will allow you to breath more than a standard paper mask.
No. 906208
>>906107I got the polish Pfizer too but I'm from one of the LGAs so I don't think I'll be getting much freedom
I really need a haircut, too…
No. 906553
>>906240Glad it's helpful! I didn't want to just leave it at my negative opinion over the weird side effect once I got back to normal because overall I don't regret getting it anymore now that I have an idea what happened and why.
>>906296ATA who posted the update and my doctor is a scrote so maybe you're right, anon. I will be switching soon for unrelated reasons so surely I will get better period related advice in the future with a female doctor.
No. 906785
>>906208Hope you stay safe
nonnie!
I bought some hair cutting scissors and section clips from Daiso back in July (remarkably they're still open during lockdown) and have been giving myself small hair trims. It helps, but it isn't the same as getting a proper hair cut.
No. 906827
>>906785Whaaat? Daiso has been closed in my LGA, like absolutely nothing but the supermarkets, butchers, grocers, seafood shops and the few stores that allow C+C (Big W, Kmart, JB, etc.) are open here. I'm a massive Daiso addict so it hurts! I've switched to ordering from AliExpress but the wait makes it pretty annoying.
I trimmed some of the dead ends of my longest layers but my shorter layers will start looking nasty soon. I don't think I'm up to the task.
I'm guessing you live in a non-LGA sort of area? I'm so jealous, the shopping centre near me is practically a ghost town except for the level where all the essential shops are. Hope you're staying safe too
nonny <3
No. 908238
>>906827The layers sound tricky to do, hopefully you’ll be able to get a hair cut safely soon! Have you taken up any lockdown hobbies?
I’m City of Sydney LGA and only the Daiso near Wynyard is closed. Central Park, Regent Place (best Daiso), and George Street are all open with reduced hours. I’ve been twice during lockdown, ended up buying so many useful things to make the trip worth it.
Everything is surprisingly busy here, it’s really concerning. Picnicking has been going on for months, even before the recreational activity announcement. Runners pass with little space (often shoulder to shoulder at times) and there are so many people out and about. It’s not possible to walk anywhere without coming into contact with another person. I’m kind of doubtful the larger groups of people (3-5) are from the same household but I guess that won’t matter as of Monday (for double vaccinated people at least).
Still have to go into work during lockdown though. I’m lucky to have a job I enjoy but I would feel more comfortable being double dosed and with lower case numbers.
No. 908457
>>908238>Have you taken up any lockdown hobbies?Yes! I've gotten into True Crime (it's a phase I go into every year or so) and I'm reading! I've made it a ritual to read outside each morning while I sip on tea to keep my sleep cycles semi-regular. I've been cooking a lot more frequently which is a lot of fun to me, it's annoying though since I don't want to eat everything I cook. I've also been making my own boba tea. It's seriously so cheap and I swear, it's 50x better than anything I've ever bought. Highly recommend making your own boba if you haven't already, just don't buy those meme kits, they seem overpriced. It's such a good time to get into it too since so many fruits (like strawbs!) are so cheap now. Or you can just premade pastes if you're more into the flavors like Taro or Redbean.
I'm so jealous you get to still go to Regents Place, that's my favorite place in the whole city! So much good food and agreed, that Daiso is amazing. God, I need to learn how to make Japanese Cheesecake because you've now gotten me craving and missing uncle Tetsu's!
That's crazy that things are busy there, I live in the Western suburbs and everywhere is pretty quiet apart from the supermarkets. I always try to go early as possible to avoid the crowds though so I don't see the worst of it. I don't see any people picnicking in the parks near me, either. That being said I did travel to the inner west recently and things were much more busier there, but I've always noticed that's been true even pre-COVID.
I'm sorry you have to still go into work! I'm studying full time now but last year I worked from home. It messed up my circadian rhythm pretty bad (which is why I've been reading outside in the mornings) so it's a tradeoff. I'm hoping that there's barely anyone on the trains for you, at least.
Tell me about your lockdown hobbies!
No. 910032
>>908457That sounds really nice!! Glad to hear your sleep cycle is much better too.
I might have to look into making bubble tea at home. The strawberries have been really delicious this season too. You could make strawberry red bean mochi to go with your tea if you have glutenous rice flour!
A little while back I read a book about an ANU law student who murdered her partner by ODing him on heroin. She had these strange murder-suicide dinner parties where the guests were clued in on her intentions but went along with it anyway. I'm not sure what kind of true crime you like, but the book is called Joe Cinque's Consolation. Apparently there's a movie as well but I haven't seen it yet.
I've mostly been reading, playing Animal Crossing (I've hit 650 hours since the pandemic began lol), and writing letters to my friends. Also copious amounts of online shopping, oops.
I hope this semester is treating you well. I miss studying and pre-pandemic life. I've been burning through audiobooks, podcasts, and pressers at work but it's not the same.
I'm thankful to have been given an alternative site to work at, so I've been walking in. Once I'm double vaccinated (or when we hit 70% double dose, whichever happens first) I'll have to go back to my normal workplace. Not looking forward to the commute again. My usual workplace in one of the affected LGAs and the train ride is long…
No. 910839
>>910032>You could make strawberry red bean mochi to go with your tea if you have glutenous rice flour!Love this idea anon! I'll definitely make this.
I really love all sorts of true crime but I'm also into disappearances. I've been reading No Easy Answers by Brooks Brown which is about the Columbine shooters. It's one of those books that makes me really thankful to not have grown up in America, not just because of guns but the clique mentality there sounds so painful.
I haven't read that book but I've just downloaded it. Sounds interesting!
I don't play Animal Crossing (no switch) but it seems so comfy! I was a huge Harvest Moon fan so I'm sure I'd like it.
That sounds so nice to walk to work! I wish you could keep going there. I miss seeing my beautiful friends so much but I definitely don't miss being crammed onto a train during peak hour. Some part of me doesn't want this to end.
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GUYS, don't get the vaccine it'll make you impotent. That's precisely what happened to Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend's testicles! His fiance called off the wedding because of it! It's because of the vaccine! Not because of the STD he spread to her.
No. 911167
>>911150Ok I'm
>>911148 updating that I found more info about it, not the Japanese study that is hard to find but I found
https://regenerativemc.com/biodistribution-of-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/ and
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/biodistribution-and-spike-protein-safety-of-mrna-vaccines-an-update-788fe58e39b9They are somewhat reassuring but I still regret it. The fact remains that down the line something bad could surface as it's happened before with many drugs and medical treatments. And that we waived any right to even hold them accountable.
Hopefully nothing goes wrong but it's terrifying not knowing and having your whole life ahead of you to find out
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its a shame it causes impotence though
No. 911459
>>911296First line: >My cousin
Speaking of illiterate whores, anon…
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>>911648Samefag, this Politifact article is titled "mRNA technology in COVID-19 vaccines was never tested in humans."
The article only mentions that testing happened prior to December 2020, but it was done on "tens of thousands of humans," but still doesn't answer the question of when human trials actually started with mRNA vaccines.
Just because you inject thousands of people doesn't necessarily safe, it just means you injected thousands of people. It's concerning to me they are using the angle of "everyone else did it so you should to" rather than actually being clear about when human trials actually started…
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/25/instagram-posts/mrna-covid-19-vaccines-were-tested-humans-have-pro/ No. 911962
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>>911956Why do you say that? This is one of the very few studies I can find where they did mRNA testing on adults, and it wasn't effective when administered through a syringe.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673617316653Can you provide any studies where there was successful, non-personalized mRNA vaccines that were tested on humans prior to 2020?
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>>911452Honestly, everyone is far, far more likely to get cancer than (deadly) COVID-19.
No. 912413
>>911954How stupid are you?
My grandpa & grandma were the same age and in similar healthh, but only my grandma got the vaccine bc my grandpa was an antivaxxer. They both got Covid at the same time (mid august of this year) bc they insisted on always going out to eat at this shit ass italian restaurant like every weekend. My grandpa got admitted to the hospital and fucking died in a week. And no one even got to be there with him cuz of hospital COVID restrictions. My grandma made a full recovery, which is good because she needed to be fully functional to plan his funeral and put their house up for sale.
report me for blogposting, idgaf. Your schizo conspiracy theories going mainstream are killing people
No. 912444
>>912403I'm trying to say that it's performative to pretend we're all going to perish from COVID when there's 1430900 far worse diseases you're more likely to get that you're not guarding against. You don't have to be old, either (which is also funny because COVID is also the most threatening to old and fat people, not young ones, but yeah, "who cares about cancer it's for old people!", right?).
Half of all vaxx/antivaxx/mask/no-mask obsessives don't even eat healthy or care about being hygienic, and then they pretend to be shocked when their shit gets fucked up. The obsession was fucking stupid. Obsessive spergs destroying lifelong friendships, vaccines with awful side effects/traces of "metal-like substances" that make skin magnetic, and small businesses being ruined all for nothing, and it's still stupid now. But here we are still, swathes of people making coronavirus their hobby. This isn't going to be what ends the human race, lmao. Improve your habits.
No. 912445
>>912440This. 100% I'm not anti mask but people acting retarded about the vaccine is tearing everything apart. People have the right to put into their bodies whatever they want whether people agree with it or not
>>912442I-I was just asking a question…
No. 912450
>>912445Sorry I deleted my post anon, made a typo
>>912446I'm sorry you feel that way, but I think you need to stop projecting and take your own advice. Fear-mongering is the actual retardation.
No. 912453
>>912433You dumb bitch, I never once claimed there aren't any side effects. My period's been wonky ever since I got vaccinated. I've actively encouraged other women to report the side effects they're experiencing. I don't take issue with reporting real side effects, I take issue with you dumb motherfuckers saying shit like
>>911954>Waiting for this fall for vac'd ppl to start dropping like fliesI'm scaremongering by reporting an actual thing that has happened to my family? But you're not by claiming all vaccinated people are going to "drop like flies" in the fall because of some government conspiracy to, what, kill 50% of the population? Which would benefit them how? Give me a god damn break and use the brain you have in your head. I truly hope it won't take someone close to you dying, all alone in the hospital, of a preventable disease to get you to quit your smug conspiracy mongering. It's not a fun experience.
No. 912464
>>912461Chances are your grandmother was healthier than him from the start, and if he was full antivaxx, he was probably stubborn in general.
All anyone has said is that the vaccine isn't a magical silver bullet. You still have to care for yourself. If you're healthy and you get COVID and recover, your immune system response will literally be many times stronger than if you had gotten vaccinated.
No. 912476
>>912464Right, because you called my grandmother the other day and got an up to date report on her and his medical records. It's not like I would be familiar with the health of my own family members.
>All anyone has said is that the vaccine isn't a magical silver bullet.you're clearly not even reading the thread. Schizoposters on here are literally claiming that all vaccinated people will "drop like flies" as soon as fall hits because da goberment has put murder chemicals in it or something. I'm well aware the vaccine isn't a silver bullet, I even talked about the side effects I was experiencing. Putting words in my mouth isn't helping your argument. Any sane person reading this thread will be able to see that all I was saying was the vaccine helps you not die, which isn't a crazy take outside of whatever weird schizo conspiracy theorist circles you run in. I'm just going to hide this thread, I give up, it's not worth reliving my grief just to have you shit all over me for daring to suggest the vaccine isn't going to kill half the population when the season changes. Christ.
No. 912481
>>912476I said
>>912471. Still not seeing how I'm a schizo or a conspiracy theorist, either.
Literally one anon said anything about vaccinated people dying, and I don't necessarily agree, but even she backed up what she said with a study, and didn't mention anything about "murder chemicals" or "da guberment".
Weird to complain about words being put in your mouth when you do the same freely, multiple times. You definitely shouldn't be reliving personal things like that in the COVID-19 general thread on Lolcow, so hiding the thread would be for the best.
No. 912496
>>9124921. It was one person
2. They were obviously using a hyperbole, and it was based on actual concerning research
How is being concerned about the tests being done and failing "crazy made up stuff"??
No. 912510
>>912506Do you really think every person who disagrees with you must be whoever you've been throwing tantrums at all thread?
>i-it was a jokeSure, Jan. Go outside lol
No. 912511
>>912503NTAYRT - That anon's grandpa died and you had an immediate answer to how he died despite not knowing anything about the family apart from them being elderly, eating one meal at a restaurant and their vaccination status.
Comments like that is why you have no friends.
No. 912516
>>912511I'm not even
>>912487, it's just weird how you foam at the mouth over nothing and then call everyone else sociopathic.
The original anon mentioned something she read and her opinion, someone else gets really mad and pops in with a grandparent story like that cancels everything, and when anyone doesn't immediately bow to them, it becomes mentally ill hours. It really sounds like you're the one who has no friends, shit like this shows zero self-awareness.
No. 912518
>>912516Awkward how you're not the anon I'm talking about but you then accuse me of calling people sociopathic? Never happened, and this is my first comment in your little cat fight.
Your reaction makes that part of my comment true though, you don't seem fun at parties. I won't reply anymore btw - I'm not interested in derailing further, I just wanted to make a point and you basically did it for me.
No. 912642
>>912634so true they are probably the same low iq tards that gave their kids essential oils instead of the polio vaccine kek
>>912640and even more people died from covid
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No. 912672
>>912669it's a strawman because it's an incorrect analogy, one to make my statement look ridiculous instead of actually arguing.
eating food is a necessity that literally can't be avoided. a vaccine isn't, it's supposed to help prevent a disease, because the disease could kill you. but if the vaccine can kill you it kind of defeats the purpose.
No. 912683
>>912672Okay then how about seatbelts? Seatbelt save lives but there have been instances where seatbelts prevent people from getting people out of carwrecks in time. Should people stop wearing seatbelts?
Or how about we talk about medicine? Chemotherapy is one of the most effective treatments for cancer but it's pretty taxing. Some people will actually die from chemotherapy related complications. Should people not bother with chemotherapy at all?
Or how about penicillin? Some people die from penicillin allergic reactions to penicillin. Some people will die before surgery just because they have a bad reaction to anesthesia.
It's fine if you don't want the vaccine but there are countless of things that are intended to help you that have a tiny chance of killing you or giving you some horrible reaction. Just own it instead of crying about strawmen. You look ridiculous.
No. 912687
>>912665What I'm trying to say is that you're taking greater risks in your everyday life and risk of death from AZ hardly stacks up. It's low risk and is a viable alternative to people who might be concerned about new vaccine technology because AZ is based on tried and tested methods (it's pretty much the same inoculation method as a flu vaccine, just with a different virus). Again, there's also mRNAs and Novavax if TTS is of concern. Hopefully you're lucky enough to be in a country to be able to make an informed decision about what vaccine you get (or not get if you want to go down the "do nothing and hope for the best"/"fuck around and find out" path).
Anyway, I just wanted to put this out there for any anons who might be feeling anxious about mRNA. I had a friend who was concerned and took AZ because that's what made her feel the most comfortable. Personally I don't think anything bad will happen in the long run (Pfizer), but I feel much better knowing that if I catch COVID I have significantly reduced my risk of hospitalisation, long COVID, and death. I also wouldn't want to transmit it to my fiends or vulnerable people either (vaccinated people transmit less than unvaccinated people).
No. 912688
>>912683These are treating issues anon, if someone is young, healthy, and gets their immune system tested why should they get a COVID vaccine? It's not just that it has a risk of killing you it's the fact that vaccine testing, trials, and just promotions for the vaccine in general has been extremely shady and dishonest. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to not want to inject themselves with a vaccine from a company that has been lying from start to end. The people who scream their damn heads off about how the COVID vaccine is the new messiah make it even more worrisome for a lot of people since it just seems like some bizarre conspiracy.
I'm not saying people should or shouldn't get the vaccination but people are rightfully uncomfortable with the amount of lies that have been going on surrounding this. Please open your mind before your mouth
No. 912698
>>912683>how about seatbelts?You don't inject a seatbelt into your body. The seatbelt is a better analogy to a mask, not a vaccine.
>Chemotherapy is one of the most effective treatments for cancer but it's pretty taxingCancer doesn't go away on it's own, and it's a terminal illness. The majority of people who get COVID recover and are just fine after two weeks of being infected with COVID. Once you have cancer, you're a ticking timebomb, so a more radical treatment is warranted.
>Some people will die before surgery just because they have a bad reaction to anesthesiaThe surgery most likely is a surgery that is necessary to keep on living with a decent quality of life. Unlike the vaccine, people aren't taking penicillin and anesthesia "just in case" they need surgery later, they are taking it because there is an immediate medical need.
I'm not anti-vaxx, but I am anti-mandate. This anon is correct
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>>912688>if someone is young, healthy, and gets their immune system tested why should they get a COVID vaccinebecause young healthy people are still dying from it, dumbass and that's SEPERATE from the need of protecting the people around you
pic related it's how inane all you antivaxxers sound courtesy of /r/hermancainaward which is full of top keks
No. 912704
>>912701The fact that your only argument is to insult people with grade level insults repeatedly and then claiming that one crazy person is all of us just makes your argument invalid
Maybe we would take you seriously if you were capable of holding a discussion without foaming at the mouth, name calling, ignoring points, and over exaggerating
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>>912701Do you have any numbers or statistics of how many young and healthy people have died from it?
Younger people have a higher chance of dying from pneumonia than COVID. There is no pandemonium or mandates for anything that protect you from pneumonia.
Sometimes safe, experienced drivers get into fatal car accidents. It doesn't mean everyone should stop driving.
>>912700What part do you need sourced…?
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>>912701Here's another data point from the United States. 95% of all COVID deaths involved a co-morbidity.
So please tell me, how many young and healthy people have died from COVID?
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I think we need a little unity, so I have some news that nonnies on both sides of the argument will appreciate.
COVID has killed convicted sex offender Bashurverse!
No. 912730
>>912699I hope your country is part of COVAX and can donate some of the supply to other nations.
You're right about pushing people into getting vaccinated backfiring. When Trump said he got the vaccine and his supporters booed him… there's no coming back from that.
It's sad because I've seen so many people change their minds after there's been a death in the family from COVID-19 (plenty still choose to continue their anti-vaxx rhetoric though). It's really difficult to take that step because the vaccine is so highly politicised and in their eyes is basically admitting defeat.
No. 912751
>>912747>>912742Maybe the unvaccinated should be put in some kind of jail or re-education facility, eh? That'll teach them.
Don't forget that the vaccinated can also spread COVID.
>>912747 I deleted my post, my bad.
Even though the rate of transmission is low, they can still spread it.
No. 912763
>>912743He dated a 13 year old when he was 19 and her parents hired a PI to look into it. He got charged and put on the sex offender registry, no prison time though since it was just sexting.
He went on to become a successful Minecraft YouTuber. Ended up dating Clara Babylegs who was 17 at the time (there's 10+ years between them). His friends knew about the charges but kept quiet and feigned ignorance when it was leaked.
Ended up ruining his life or something. He got put in the hospital at least once since his mental health was pretty bad, moved to Australia then moved back home to catch COVID from his dad and die from it.
The video is his infamous breakdown video.
No. 912777
>>912772It's the "what-if" that is fear-mongering.
I appreciated your post
nonny. We don't agree but I appreciated your opinion!
No. 912786
>>912784Let me remind you your post
>>912731>dying covid fatties>fattiesWe agree only landwhales should get vaxxed or nay?
No. 912796
>>912785Not as much. Not being able to enter a facility or participate in an activity sucks, but it's less invasive than being required to take an injection that has only been tested in human clinical trials for less than two years.
The reality is that COVID will never go away. We're going to have to learn to live with it. If there is long-term data that vaccines work, I can see it being mandated, but again, the first human trials started in 2020.
A vaccine should not be mandated if they are still doing studies to evaluate how effective it is.
No. 912797
>>912672Yep because unvaxxed people have OVER a 90% chance of survival for the cOviD vArIanTs. Why take some jab for something you have an incredibly high probability of surviving? It's unnecessary. And considering young healthy fit people have died from taking the jab? Even children have died. In comparison the only people really dying from covid are the elderly and those with seriously fucked compromised immune systems who were already going to die soon anyway. People I really don't care about so why should I or anyone take any kind of experimental drug still in its trial phase for these people? Sorry not sorry. No one else gives a fuck about me and no stranger would do anything for me so why the fuck should I or you take some supposed "vaccine" that hasn't even taken 5-10 years to make (because that's how long it takes to make vaccines, usually 7 years before they're rolled out to the public) based on some bullshit? Not to mention these fucking vaxxed up retards get sick with the covid as soon as they receive the jab and go into the workplace and other social settings and infect and make others incredibly sick with their shit.
There's a few people irl that I know got the vaxx and one of them was complaining and whining about growing horns on his forehead soon after getting the jab. He has massive fucking lumps on either side of his forehead and they keep growing. He says he hasn't felt right since. A few others have had bizarre symptoms and changes in their behaviour since taking the jab. A woman even had a miscarriage. And the only reason these retards are taking the vaxx is for their own selfish reasons, mainly so they can travel, go to stupid festivals and socialise inside bars and clubs etc. and so they can virtue signal online. It's not for other people, it's not for the sake of humanity as a whole LOL but little do they know, they never needed to take the vaxx to travel. There have been plenty of people travelling getting flights without the vaxx and there's fake vaxx passports you can buy if you know where to look.
These vaxxed took these jabs really for nothing lol they can fuck off. They just sabotaged and jeopardised their health and everyone elses and I bet they didn't even ask for or investigate the ingredients list of the vaxx. Don't you read the ingredients lists of products you put on your skin and the food items you eat? Then why the fuck don't you check the ingredients of some unknown liquid that's going to be pumped into your body and research those ingredients? Jfc. A lot of retards also thought it was just going to be one jab but turns out they're going to have to receive a jab every 6 months lmao how does that sound like a vaccine to anyone? Vaccines don't need top ups every six months.
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So this article basically says Pfizer relied on the general population for it's studies rather than doing their own controlled clinical trials.
Shouldn't they have known this information before their vaccine was released to the general public…?
We are part of the experiment.
No. 912809
Modern medicine is so dangerous that I decided to put my kids on a diet of oregano and tea leaves boiled with the collective urine of my vaccination research group. We drink it on a daily basis and the results are amazing. My child has herd immunity from every disease known to man including Hepatitis A, B, C, C&C Music Factory, D-Generation X, 6ix9ine, 420, and G-Unit. So FUCK your modern evidence-based medicine! My research involves putting my hand on a hot stove for several minutes without moving and Google searching Alex Jones videos about how chemicals are apparently turning frogs gay, autistic, and they can apparently speak 3,000 dialects of Klingon and Esperanto and have an IQ of 7.7 trillion but die in like 30 seconds BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT VACCINATED BY EVIL BIG PHARMA WHO ONLY WANTS MONEY! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! My kids aren't vaccinated because I read in some medical journal called The Onion that they will reach Super Saiyan 3 deceased which will allegedly give them superpowers that will allow us to transcend time and space and reach a dimension where the Earth is shaped like a trapezoid because there's no curve. I don't know what the word deceased means but it didn't say they would die. My vaccination research group which is currently fighting for the right to party WITHOUT evil vaccines says reaching Super Saiyan 3 deceased is super effective. I talked to an anti-vaxxer group the other day and I told them that my son got vaccine injuries and now he has stage 4 ligma. They recommended a natural remedy of this essential oil called gasoline and they recommended I hold a flame to increase its effectiveness. Now my entire house has burned down and my child is probably what they call deceased BUT AT LEAST EVIL BIG PHARMA DIDN'T HARM MY CHILD WITH THEIR EVIL VACCINES! If you want to know when my son Bryson Chandler Smith's funeral is it's at the lake by the grotto. We will all be rubbing essential oils such as gasoline on ourselves in his memory. NO VACCINES!
No. 912815
>>912670You know you can use that retarded image for batshit people like you, just change it to 99% survival rate.
>b-but possible long term damage!Yes, ex-fucking-actly.
No. 912817
>>912810You mean fat and old people? Or people who never cared about their health in the first place?
If that's your demographic, I get why you'd be so defensive about this. If not, lmao. We don't all survive on McDonald's and don't give a fuck about disease except to be trendy and yell at strangers at online, sorry.
No. 912826
>>912823I'm fine with catching it and I know most unvaxxed people are. The idea of locking down over a virus with an extremely high survival rate is just silly to most people and just seems like some weird overdramatic excuse to use the population as lab rats (as confirmed by Pfizer)
There's also been government records that have been taken down from the deep web exposing the plan to lock down several weeks before the first lockdown happened in 2019 but it feels like you cant discuss anything shady about the government without people acting as of you just escaped from the mental institution.. even after the government admits to their own conspiracies
No. 912834
>>912823I'm ready for lockdowns to end. I've been out and about at crowded bars, restaurants, and parties. I've been fine, and so has everyone else that I attended those events with.
It's a personal choice. If you still feel unsafe in society after getting vaccinated, you should stay home. Likewise, if you are unvaccinated and are scared of getting COVID, you should also stay home. Don't rely on others for your personal health.
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>>912828Its internet brain worms, they encounter an ideology that lets them feel superior/special/righteous and are compelled to go spread it to every online place they can, or shut down anyone with a differing opinion. Modern day religion.
No. 912879
>>912875Caring about your health is eugenics now? It's part of your genetics to eat like shit, not try to distance, refuse to be mindful of your surroundings, etc?
I'm so fucking tired of this learned helplessness, it's pathetic.
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>>912968I had maskne too, you need to get cotton masks. They're better bc if you have asthma/fatty and it's hard to breathe you can easily cut out a layer of fabric.
No. 913026
>>912968I've already suggested this in the thread but I'll repeat it with more information.
Paper and fabric masks are not only uncomfortable there is no evidence that they provide any protection against covid. If possible buy a "real" mask. Either something like a Respro anti-pollution mask or a rated mask. It's not just about the rating. Masks that are actually designed to be worn in hazardous environments will be more comfortable and make it easier for you to breathe because they are designed specifically to be worn for long periods of time and not to irritate the person wearing them. Using a mask that doesn't fit or is uncomfortable is probably more dangerous than not wearing a mask because if the mask is uncomfortable the person wearing it will be constantly touching their face to adjust the mask. Covid spreads into the body through the mucus membranes in the mouth, nose and eyes.
The two most comfortable masks I've worn during the pandemic were the Respro mask that I previously used for jogging near busy roads and a JSP half face respirator.
No. 913583
>>913026I disagree
nonnie. Professional use masks are not made to be worn 10+h a day like some people are forced to and every one of them says on the label the user has to be informed about the risks. I do agree paper and fabric masks don't do shit, I wear a very thin fabric one to avoid fights or fines but it's all a big circus to me.
No. 915665
>>915414It's really hard to tell, everyone is really different. It can sometimes take a week until tests start showing you as positive so you may have taken it too soon.
There's also a chance you just didn't catch it depending on how long you were in contact with them and at what point of the incubation period they were at.
Another possibility is a false negative.
No. 915682
>>915414What
>>915665 said, I've also read that if you're fully vaccinated you're less likely to be infected because the viral load has to be much higher. It probably goes similar for non-vaccinated as well depending on how long and how many they were exposed to. Either way since the test came back negative I wouldn't worry unless you start showing symptoms.
No. 915763
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Every old guy during this pandemic
No. 915767
>>913638I have a prof who wears the exact same type of mask I do, but he obviously has it upside down, as the clipping part is supposed to keep it on your nose. I wonder if he ever wondered why I'm wearing it "wrong".
Also minor vent but other than a mask demand in my school and workplace, I don't really feel the effects of COVID in my everyday life, thank god. But yesterday I was going home by bus and a chick on speaker phone sat face-to-face to me and started coughing really hard all over the place without ever trying to cover it with her hand and I had to suppress the urge to deck her in the face, I just moved over. I don't know how someone can be retarded enough to walk around coughing without a mask in a closed space after all that people have been through in the last 2 years, even if she doesn't have COVID.
No. 915779
>>915414I'd test again if I were you in a few days. Had a friend who got covid awhile back & me and another friend had hung out w him. He tested positive on a Thursday. I ended up not getting it but my other friend tested negative Friday & was positive on Monday. Friend who tested positive on Monday is unvaxxed & over 300lbs but did surprisingly well with covid.
I don't really know how it works, this is the second time I've gotten very close with someone who ended up being positive & I didnt get it. June 2020 my Grandparents got it & I'm their provider so I'd been giving them showers & stuff. Grandparents and Mom test positive, but I was always negative. My cousin would sleep in my bed or my Moms bed when Mom or I stayed the night at grandparents & she tested positive but I still was negative. Idk honestly I think maybe I'd gotten it in June 2020 First & spread it to rest of family but no one in my house was going out except for work & groceries. Idk how it works tbh
No. 915838
>>915779Maybe you're lucky or you have very effective antibodies.
My friend's girlfriend got sick with COVID last year but he never tested positive even though they shared a bed together. Some people just seem to get away with it. I hope your (grand)parents did well with COVID.
No. 916499
>>916496I deleted it because I felt bad for making fun of anon, but I didn't post that because she has concerns about the vaxx. Anyway,
>>916484Afaik, most people who take the pfizer vaccine are fine. I took it and barely had any side effects. Your mom will be fine.
No. 916504
>>896647Based
Nurses are low IQ hard stop
No. 916644
For the menstruation anons
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/news/083021-COVID-19-vaccination-menstruationHas anyone heard of developing nocturnal enuresis post-vax or post-infection? While I’ve had urgency related enuresis all my life I’ve never had this happen before, and now I’m waking up to soaked bedding once a week
No. 916751
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i gone complete fucking Schizo Mode and i’m so tempted to just take the damn shot just to make it stop. i’ve read “conspiracy theories” (almost) every day since the shots rolled out in the states and like it’s gotten to the point where i’ve had extreme paranoia about FEMA kicking down the door to drag me to a death camp and it’s still a lingering fear of mine. i’m worried about adverse effects obviously, and at this point i don’t think that getting the shot will eradicate the virus or end quarantine but like if it helps me stay out of the camps a little longer i’ll take it? i want to live so bad and the thought of perishing in a camp is so terrifying but the anti covid shot circles do nothing to help because all damn day it’s jehovahs witnesses tier “the end is near start prepping now” talk.
i’m so worried about the shot and adverse effects because i’m a fatass but at the same time i’m MORE worried about camps like… maybe i should just unalive myself rn and not have to worry about either
No. 917103
deathcamp fear anon back again.
>>916752i’ve been told that a lot by an online friend of mine but i’m honestly super hesitant to get help due to my career and it’d just cause a worse spiral.
>>916955and that’s the thing. “conspiracy” circles always make it sound like it’s happening tomorrow rather than a decade from a now. i’m trying to be conscious to the fact the world is changing and life will never be the same but at the same time the amount of information in these circles that amounts to just “take the shot and you will die in 3 years” or “don’t take the shot and fear you will die in 3 weeks by biden firing squads.” thinking of it as a long term thing happenings. decade from now rather than this year makes it feel as if there’s actually some life left to live rather than just waiting for the day the camps come for me.
No. 917430
>>917090This might be relevant but do you take vitamin D supplements? My allergic symptoms have gotten worse since COVID started (I've never gotten it afaik) but I learned that vitamin D deficiency can make you more susceptible to allergic reactions. If you've been going out less (like I was/am), your levels may be lower than they were before. I hope you recover soon
nonny, allergies suck!
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>>917119>The worst thing about this stupid virus is the way it has caused everyone to leave logic at the door.You don't say
No. 917467
>>917437hard to hold onto logic when people in charge are withholding info, stepping all over us in the name of "freedom", and the anger/divisive nature of this all is making people turn on each other and distrust each other lol
i am most shocked at people who think everything that is happening is normal and our health is first priority in the mind's of our leaders
No. 918008
>>917957Yeah, that's how it is here too. I got my paper, but 6 months have passed and it's about to expire so I will have to get one dose of the vaccine if I want to do anything (even though I think that it's not very useful for people who managed to heal from covid). I'm not sure if I got infected again during these six months though, and it's possible since no one carries masks here. There is a test you can do to see if you've had a recent infection, but it's very pricy and useless to get the paper.
Fun thing, some time ago the government decided to postpone the "expiration date" of the paper for vaccinated people, but not for people who had covid, even if it doesn't make sense if you take into account the efficiency of the vaccines and the immunity of who has healed.
No. 918220
>>918008I'm so annoyed by the whole situation, I got Covid right at the beginning in March 2020, there weren't many tests and stuff like that and I don't think that there are a lot of antibodies left by now, but I wish there would be the possibility for a test and that it would be seen the same way like a vaccination if there are enough antibodies.
It's really nice that they tell us that the vaccine isn't mandatory, but most things you can't do anymore without being vaccinated and that includes jobs and schools and stuff like that.
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>>918528and the vaccine literally has not been studied in pregnant woman and pfizer, moderna, and janssen literally cannot conclude if spike proteins or other vaccine remnants are passed through breast milk.
VAERS ID: 1261766
AGE: 1 SEX: M
increased body temperature, seizure, death
VACCINE TYPE(S): COVID19
VACCINE NAME(S): COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA))
VAERS ID: 1166062
AGE: UNK SEX: M
Patient received second dose of Pfizer vaccine on March 17, 2020 while at work. March 18, 2020 her 5 month old breastfed infant developed a rash and within 24 hours was inconsolable, refusing to eat, and developed a fever. Patient brought baby to local ER where assessments were performed, blood analysis revealed elevated liver enzymes. Infant was hospitalized but continued to decline and passed away. Diagnosis of TTP. No known allergies. No new exposures aside from the mother's vaccination the previous day
VACCINE TYPE(S): COVID19
VACCINE NAME(S): COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH))
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>>918697is this from the japan study?? link is for anyone interested:
https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf#page=17picrel shows how in rats the vaxx went straight to the ovaries (apologies if i am explaining wrong, i am not a scientist)
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>>918697the vaccine is dangerous dont take it ladies
No. 919034
>>918767The VAERS info is from
https://openvaers.com/openvaers, which makes it a little easier to search the vaers database since it allows you to view specific info. The VAERS database from the CDC won’t allow you to see details (like age/sex/description of symptoms) without knowing the VAERS ID, ykwim?
The Janssen vaccine info is from the EUA Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers), accessed via the janssen vaccine website (
https://www.janssenlabels.com/emergency-use-authorization/Janssen+COVID-19+Vaccine-HCP-fact-sheet.pdf). You have to choose the vaccine provider fact sheet because the one for non healthcare providers is 7 pages of pure propaganda and no real helpful info.
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I think I might have gotten covid again. I literally only recovered like 3-4 weeks ago.
No. 919118
>>918413have you ever had excruciating pain when having sex with your partner? how about cramps while ovulating? an extremely heavy period flow that requires multiple pads and tampons? extreme nausea and dizziness that makes you bed bound?
you must be a tranny who, try all they might, will never be a woman and never have to deal with these issues. nevermind dealing with doctors who downplay, or just outright dismiss your symptoms. so, yes, I am worried about my reproductive health when I read anecdotes from women who have been experiencing heavy periods and other strange menstrual symptoms after taking the vaccine. I'm so sick of people (men, trannies) who don't, and will never, understand these issues, and because they're so retarded don't even attempt to have any compassion or understanding.
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>>919269Anon you may be too sensitive to be on imageboards, and I mean this in the kindest way possible. You might want to take a break.
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>>919269I mean, should’ve considered that before you got it… a little thing called doing your research. But since it’s done and over with, accept the fact that you made the conscious choice to get the vaccine and whatever sicknesses (if you get any) or complications that come from it are your fault because you made this decision. Cry if you want to but don’t blame us for acknowledging the reality that side effects from this vaccine exist and are a possibility for many women that get it. If it makes you feel any better, at least you made it this far without any major complications. But that’s what happens when you take an experimental vaccine using technology that has never been used in humans before. Maybe you will die, maybe you won’t.
No. 919349
>>919264also
>it's only the internetgirl do you live in a cave? the internet affects every single thing we do and our day to day life
No. 919350
>>919269You should know that most of the people in this thread are trolling or trying to make sensitive people scared to shit by spamming misinformation right? Just hide the thread, you’re going to be fine
nonnie.
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me trying to give psychosis-chan
>>919358 her anxiety pills that she keeps forgetting to take
No. 919448
>>919349ikr? there are irl people with concerns etc about the vaxx too of all ages. it takes just talking with people but yeah i would never suggest asking randos about this (i doubt anyone would regardless)
>>919350 lmao who is trolling? many of us have been posting facts/scientists statements/sources to back up what we say. would scientists be stupid enough to say wacky shit about the vaxx with no proof just to be silenced? those who speak against it do and provide proof and cite journals and are being silenced just for that while theres doctors on msm news channels who straight up lie about the vaxx and are shilled at experts.
no one is crazy for questioning all this or avoiding getting the shot and everyobe should have the right to choose, so maybe provide facts instead of calling people nutjobs or w/e
No. 919478
>>919462i loathe it, and “the jab”, or literally any stupid fucking variation involved. using language like that is so off putting and doesn’t help anyone want to listen to you let alone reconsider their heath choices.
and public officials really have to dumb shit down, and it’s all hijacked by opportunists trying to shoehorn their politics into every single fucking thing or have doctorate degrees from google. the world was very unprepared for a global pandemic and had no protocol for handling it. a lot of men who never learned to handle their emotions are really letting loose with this one too. this pandemic has killed so many women because men are killing and abusing at much higher rates, and the vaccine mostly has side effects for women because it wasn’t designed for us.
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Farmers, have you guys been keeping up with the Melbourne (AUS) protests? Basically a bunch of protesters have stormed a construction union due to vaccines being mandated by the government for that industry.
You're probably thinking why would they storm the union instead of a government office. Turns out that the protest has been hijacked or started entirely by right-wing anti-vaxxers. Anti-vaxx groups have prompted other members to buy high vis vests from the reject shop and other construction paraphernalia to help blend in. Other anti-vaxx figures have also been spotted among the crowds and they are definitely not apart of the union, or even the construction industry. This particular union even has their own high vis uniform who I've only spotted one participant wearing.
The first day they were throwing items at the union building but now they're storming other areas, blocking traffic (including ambulances) and throwing jars of piss at people. I can't help but think the union building (who stated that they are pro-choice when it comes to the vaccine) was targetted because unions = marxism/socialism.
Also some protesters have been spotted sniffing something interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusDownunder/comments/psyc0t/im_just_going_to_leave_this_here/ (couldn't embed this for some reason)
Anyway, just an insight into how fucked up shit is down under. Melbourne is the state that had to go under a very harsh and long lockdown last year until they managed to get down to 0 cases only for another state to completely drop the ball which lead to outbreaks in every other state including New Zealand. I wish I could say that the protest won't have much of an impact on things but it's unfortunate it already has. Thinking of my Melbourne nonnies.
No. 919561
>>919556I'm sorry, they really all have some side effect unfortunately. Here in Australia we don't have J&J, only AZ, Pfizer and I think just this week we've gotten some Moderna for a few pharmacies. Here they actually recommend Pfizer for people under 50 years old, especially women due to the clotting risk with AZ. Apparently AZ is 5 per 1m people while MRNA vaccines are 4 per 1m people so Moderna and Pfizer are slightly safer in that one respect.
You should definitely talk to your doctor about your concerns and see what they recommend.
No. 919571
>>919567Are there actually any cases of pro-vaccine people or pro-mask people attacking anti-vaxxers or is it just your imagination of what "might happen in the future."
While currently anti-vaxxers are attacking cops, media personnel (who are actually helping them by reporting on their protests) breaking windows, setting off fireworks and obstructing traffic.
Just the other day we had a dude in Germany who was refused service for not wearing a mask. This man calmly went home, returned with his mask, then shot the clerk with the gun he retrieved from his home.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/21/germany-shop-worker-20-shot-dead-after-refusing-to-serve-maskless-customer-15295393/You're not on the sane side.
No. 919580
>>919269you're not going to die from the vaccine. the ingredients left your system very quickly and are completely absent by 2 weeks. any adverse effects happen ~a month. anything longer cannot be applicable to vaccine side effects because the mechanism just isn't there.
there's a process called ade which theoretically could give you a worse case of covid if your vaccinated, but this is only a theory and not one documented case has happened. the covid variant would have to be a super specific mutation that hasnt happened yet and the vaccine was produced with a protein that is unlikely to mutate thus ade is just not a factor. be glad you got the vaccine.
No. 919590
>>919580The media likes to highlight the ~super crazy anti vaxxers~ but completely hides the fact extreme pro vax people exist.
Pro vaxxers I have a question - if the vaccine works then why are you scared of people not getting it? Don't you want us big evil crazy dummies to die anyway if you think not getting the jab is literally going to kill you?
No. 919595
>>919590LMFAO did you even watch your own video?
1. insane old dude who is legitimately making a scene
2. one staff member tells a woman to wear her mask properly, she says she can't because her doctor said so (doubt) the staff member calmly says we can't have you in here then. woman throws mask at the staff member. staff member tries to escort woman out, woman then swears at her and tells her not to saying "that's going to get you hurt."
raises her fist at the clerk, she flinches. crazy bitch threatens minimum wage employee again.
raises her fist again and coughs on her way out3. woman walks towards old masked couple recording them. old couple does not react well and tells them to back away. woman calls the old couple ugly.
4. unmasked man tries to enter store. masked security guard immediately starts body blocking them because no mask/no entry. unmasked man starts shoving security guard who isn't pushing back. unmasked man eventually falls on the ground since the security guard moves backwards instead of pushing back or letting the man push him over. unmasked man keeps walking into the store so security guard begins to try and lead him away but clearly doesn't want to hurt the old man. recording cuts so we don't know what happened next.
5. literal karen at costco saying masks don't work when shoppers are trying to tell her to wear a mask. she gets arrested.
6. the second example of an insane masker
so we have 2 examples of maskers being rude, 1 example of an anti-masker threatening to hurt a worker multiple times, 1 example of an anti-masker actually using force against a worker, 1 person clearly harassing an old couple who tells them to stay 6 feet away from them and 1 egotistical karen who has it all figured out that mask don't work when part of the reason why things aren't getting better are because of people like her.
looks like you're right, the vaccinated masked people are the ones making everything worse.
No. 919602
samefagging
>>919595>>919590> Pro vaxxers I have a question - if the vaccine works then why are you scared of people not getting it? Don't you want us big evil crazy dummies to die anyway if you think not getting the jab is literally going to kill you?it's because most hospitalized covid patients are unvaccinated. this overburdens our hospitals, especially when there are people who need to be treated for other ailments that aren't covid. imagine if a family member needed to be hospitalized for some sudden illness and contracted covid at the hospital? that comorbidity increases their mortality rate and it's already very common in areas where hospitals are overrun. nurses, doctors and other staff are getting sick because they're overworked and you can only take so many precautions while tending to so many infectious covid patients. they're all vaccinated which reduces their recovery time but getting sick still means they'll be out of work for some time meaning there's less people to take care of.
like fuck, i live in an area where covid is bad but thankfully hospitals aren't completely overrun partially because some patients are receiving care at home and we're managing with that currently. someone in my family had to go to the hospital and they're in a high risk group but
thankfully they did not get covid.
>>919592please, no one cares about the people who have legitimate medical exemptions. that's probably 1-2% of the population. people care about those who are getting illegitimate exemptions from chiropractors because chiropractic is pseudoscience and a lot of them are anti-vaxxers anyway.
>>919598because it literally doesn't. must suck being so retarded
>>919599lmfao my friend is a triage nurse in alabama and she's had to help out with covid patients. she is an RN though so it's not like she is unqualified. they were treating covid patients in hallways because they had negative icu beds. keep coping anti-vaxxer.
No. 919725
>>919710you don't have a source for that. stop fearmongering.
i have endo. i'm in a support group with hundreds of women with endo. if the vaccine is causing you to have endo flareups, it's minimal to what you'd get from covid unvaccinated. i had a flareup after my first shot but my second period is closer to what my
normal is. whereas some women with endo end up in the hospital when they contract covid. not because of covid symptoms but because of how covid interacts with endo. one of the women in my group contracted long covid and she's still experiencing worse symptoms from her endo too.
covid and the vaccine BOTH interact with your reproductive organs to some degree.
>>919715lmfao nice random right wing sources or literal blogs that don't reference legitimate sources but instead reference other right-wing conspiracy theorist websites.
VAERS IS UNVERIFIED. you can write that the vaccine made you grow nipples all over your body. it's a crime to misuse the service but they won't follow up on that shit. stop fear mongering.
your fourth source references the washington gazette which appears to be absolutely unotable apart from hosting that article about fauci. it completely twists a quote that fauci made that was included in a nyt article where he's discussing trialing vaccines on children.
>“If you can show that it’s safe and that in fact it induces the kind of response that is reflective of the protection — mainly the correlate of immunity — what you can do is bridge that to the efficacy data that you got from the 30,000[-person] trial with Moderna and the 44,000[-person] trial that we did with Pfizer,” your washington gazette article says
>The said interview was cited by Washington Gazette from a Jan. 29, 2021 New York Post report. The Gazette said Fauci "blatantly stated that the country needed to 'make sure' the vaccine truly is safe before" it is given to children by conducting "hundreds to a couple of thousands" of tests on children.look, i think that if people are concerned about dying from blood clots or myocarditis even though it's a small chance of even contracting it, that's fine by me. but it's another thing to misquote information, spread conspiracy theories or just make shit up on the spot that annoys the fuck out of me. i don't expect everyone to get the vaccine but i expect people to stop being retarded and taking things at face value
>>919715 without properly looking at their sources.
>>919719this source is promoting the vaccine. this is what i mean by taking things at face value. it's explaining that the benefits of taking the vaccine, even if you get hospitalized, is that the chances are you will leave the hospital. having to be prescribed a steroid or being put on oxygen is significantly better than having to be put into a medically induced coma or be kept alive from a ventilator. the latter is in the hospital for much longer and causes much more strain for the system.
>>919720lmfao, so the first source is saying the vaccine is good because if you have to go to the hospital, the chances are it'll be a quick process. this source is saying that vaccinated people are being hospitalized. so according to you, this is fine because the cases are mild, and the patients will be back home once they're successfully treated.
No. 919730
>>919729they aren't unnecessary, people need treatment so they go to the hospital. it's about being safe vs being sorry. ideally no one would get sick at all but most icu beds and hospital beds are taken up by the unvaccinated.
> As long as if they used actual quotes and studiesthey didn't and you didn't bother to check. that's the issue and that's why i can't take you seriously.
No. 919735
>>919732I thought that the CDC was calling any case that didn't end up in the hospital mild, even if you are too fatigued to get up to take a shower.
If someone ends up in the hospital, are they still referring to it as a "mild" case?
No. 919746
>>919733in more overwhelmed areas, hospitals won't take you in for covid if your oxygen levels aren't low enough or you aren't symptomatic enough. i knew a woman who they didn't take in or even test despite her chest pain because she didn't have a fever so they didn't want to test her. eventually she got significantly worse, lived (thankfully) but she's still on oxygen at home. this was in new york.
for that article, i won't pour over the study but it mentions oregon as one of the states that has had a recent spike in hospitalizations. oregon has some of the lowest case numbers in the country so it's not surprising that if they're overwhelmed it would be with mild cases since most people won't need hospitalization from covid, especially when vaxxed.
> One of the important implications of the study, these experts say, is that the introduction of vaccines strongly correlates with a greater share of COVID hospital patients having mild or asymptomatic disease. “It’s underreported how well the vaccine makes your life better, how much less sick you are likely to be, and less sick even if hospitalized,” Snyder said. “That’s the gem in this study.”i also wonder what % of these mild cases are people with pre-existing conditions who are more concerned about their survival rates vs. a healthy 25 year old vaccinated woman.
No. 919788
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>>919531so people cant be concerned about the vaccine or say anything that disproves your "100% effective and safe!" talking points? this is a covid thread. anyone can be here, but acting like everyone who is RIGHTFULLY questioning the vaccine is a tard is not helping your case. ever realize how things may become more questionable to people anytime someone challenges the vaccine and you react so aggressively?
>>919588exactly. Also, why would the news report anything that defeats their ~crazy anti-vaxxers~ narrative they're pushing? On the news in my country there has been articles written about how theres no sympathy for unvaccinated because if they die its on them, public officials casually discussing how unvaccinated people shouldnt be alllowed in spaces where vaccinated people are, and so on.
>>919580the issue with vaccinating everyone, pic is from dr. robert malone's website.
>>919602did you forget that there are therapeutics that exist and that they involve less side-effects and are less inavsive? The vaccine is not the only cure and as an American you should know that lol
Funny how no one talks about how ICU beds were lacking in most countries in the first place… In my country, people often were treated in the hospital hallways and there has always been bed shortages, so a pandemic just made the problem even worse, though the story about how every hospital is overwhelmed, especially by people who arent vaccinated, is not true everywhere and for teh most part is another convenient narrative. When times are tough = blame the people you want society to villanize and turn against (where have we seen that before?????)
>>919698THANK you anon.
No. 919815
>>919811It's insane that vaccines are being mandated for work and education.
It kills me that the same people who say 'Everyone has a right to a living wage, affordable healthcare, and affordable education' are the same people who are supporting these mandates for a vaccine using technology that has never been tested on humans before.
So if the unvaccinated are losing their jobs and access to education, how will they be expected to support themselves within society?
No. 919819
>>919813i agree! i cant believe how uncommon working from home was before covid.
>>919815this is one of the things that bothers me the most. I am not in the most vulnerable group, asymptomatic spread is very unlikely, and I am not convinced of the efficacy of the vaccine. I am worried about my career because I dont want to be forced to take the vaccine. Theres just so many issues any questions, this should be a choice for everyone and the hypocritical leftists acting more authoritarian than the supposed racists on the "far-right" or whatever tells you everything you need to know about how much of a field day the media is having.
No. 919821
>>919815Well, according to my country's government they not so subtly implied that since it's "antisocial" to not take it (despite everyone still being infectious, despite fucking no one taking the measures to prevent the spread anymore), the unvaccinated are left to themselves because (in the politicians own words) "don't care for society".
All I see from them ever since the vaccine is out, is them playing the old dividing game. Probably to create a temporary scapegoat and deflect from the actual asocial trashfire those politicians themselves caused ever since the pandemic started.
No. 919825
>>919821Top kek/that's so fucked. But meanwhile, the drug addicts, people in gangs, and the people that abuse unemployment and welfare care so much about the well-being of our general society and should be supported at all costs, right?
All of this is so fucked up. I hate COVID.
No. 919828
>>919821.. And to add, they never ever address or even recognize the actual concerns unvaccinated people have and just disregard it to be "lazyness", "illogical" or being "weakly educated"(aka stupidity). They never bother to explain or elaborate though.
>>919825The politicians themselves don't do it either, so maybe they can sympathise kek. I wonder where all of this will lead to.
No. 919870
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Kek
No. 919906
>>919821This annoys me so much, no one is wearing a mask anymore, but I had to get the vaccine because "society" and "caring for others" (and for my job education). I'm still wearing my mask and will continue to, but I hate the people that just ignore it and then tell you that you aren't worth anything if you don't get the vaccination and you should pay your hospital visit yourself if you get Covid. And if we are talking about protecting others, why doesn't my government protect me from second hand smoke, oh, wait, that's because you can't restrict the smokers, because freedom, blah.
>>919869>lack of housingthat's one thing I've noticed. I'm looking for a new flat and before Covid I would find around 250 possible flats considering price, size and stuff like that, now there are like 100 and if you ask for a viewing, no chance, they only invite selected few, means, those with money. Except you want to move into a horrible neighbourhood, then it doesn't matter.
And the whole "the unvaccinated are causing this" thing is stupid, most people that brought Delta into my country were the ones that got the vaccination and went on holiday.
No. 920078
>>920069Maybe take a break from them or say that you don't want to discuss vaccinations anymore and you hope that they respect that.
It's silly to cut off friends over something like this. Everyone has different views and opinions and some people are more vocal than others. If vaccine talk or conversation puts a strain on your relationships, ask people to stop talking about it with you.
No. 920143
>>920115Is there a way for you to check if you stll have enough antibodies from back when you had covid? Where I live doctors advise you not to get the jab if you still have enough antibodies but best for you to check with your doctor about that.
If you're gonna get the jab, I'd say get either Pfizer, Moderna or Astra (if you're not scared off about the whole blood clot thing) and afaik Pfizer and Moderna currently offer the highest protection when it comes to the delta strain.
No. 920178
>>919928I live in Germany, but I guess that many European countries are the same by now and I feel like your are living in Europe, kek
>>920069my parents are so happy that I'm vaccinated now, even though I didn't want to and they never cared about my health before. If I was sick before, well, stay in bed, it will be okay.
If I had a sister like yours I would give her a very long and wet kiss on the cheek, she will love that.
>>920115I got Pfizer, second shot today, so far no side effects. You should avoid Johnsson, might be only one shot, but isn't useful and at least in my country Astra isn't available anymore. Moderna has, according to some studies, better protection, but most people I know had more side effects (periode late, stronger, different, fever, etc) than people who got Pfizer.
No. 920186
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So I had this acquaintance who was rabidly pro vax and would make increasingly deranged posts on social media about the pandemic. She would get so mad about anyone not getting vaxxed and celebrate people dying of Covid.
Turns out she commit suicide the other day. Honestly I find this hilarious. You reap what you sow bitch.
No. 920213
>>920195Yeah I think it’s really ironic. It’s really brightened my day and I can’t stop smiling
>>920200Nah, I’m a good person who isn’t weak
No. 920235
>>920178Hm, I might look into Moderna. I don’t think I’d find Astra, I’ve seen people fighting over it in the vaccination centers kek.
Unrelated, but I’ve got a question to people here: have any of you thought of faking your vaccination cards/papers? Why and why not? I’m curious about the process in other countries.
No. 920256
>>920235>Unrelated, but I’ve got a question to people here: have any of you thought of faking your vaccination cards/papers? Why and why not? I’m curious about the process in other countries.Thought about it a couple of months ago but didn't do it because it's expensive (a couple hundred euros here) in the long run (since vaccines and the certificates apparently only last for a few months that would mean I'd have to get new papers after a couple of months as well) and the risk of being caught and fined or possibly jailed and I really don't have the money for all of that. I also want to travel and I'd honestly be scared for foreign authorities to jail me or whatever if they discover a fake certificate.
>>920255Congrats anon! Hope I'll live to see the same too.
No. 920258
>>920253>>920115Fake the papers and/or don't get vaccinated if you aren't comfortable with it. I foresee that if there are negative consequences of the vaccine down the line, governments and healthcare companies will say it was a "choice" for you to get vaccinated and therefore will be ineligible for any damages or compensation.
My workplace is thinking about mandating it. If they do, I'm not quitting because they said I left voluntarily. They're going to have to fire me or cut off my access if they do mandate it, because I'm not gonna stop working for that paycheck until I physically can't.
No. 920302
>>920235I've thought about it in the extreme case they threaten violence or death in case you don't get the jab (no, covid is no death threat to me). But I won't get it until we get to those extremes, it would mean participating in this charade as well.
On the other hand, something sus is happening in my country. Health centers are calling us sinners who didn't get the jab yet and telling us "Well you can still get it till October, after that it won't be possible." Rumours are some drug will be approved to treat covid so the EMA will withdraw the vaccines emergency authorizations. God I wish.
No. 920439
>>920404Don't buy into the vaccine propaganda or you will die of sewercide like this person did kek
>>920186Hearing stories like this make me feel so glad I refused to get vaxxed despite the insane amount of pressure
No. 920455
>>920348I could be the most rabid antivaxxer on the planet and still think what you said is retarded. Please see a mental health professional about your
victim complex.
No. 920517
>>920455girl did you even read
>in the most extreme case>not likely, extremetake english again pls
No. 920544
>>920522I agree with
>>920541. A lot of vaxxers are nuts.
No. 920711
>>912699It’s cringe that people especially burgerfags will die on a hill for their little crumb of “freedom” than socially distance, wear a mask, get vaccinated, and give a shit about the general public health.
>okay like I know millions of people died and many people have lost their jobs but when do I get to go back outside and waste my capitalist bucks on margaritas and brunch? sociopath
No. 920839
>>920711you can't have both… it's either
a) the vaccine is effective, therefore if you're vaccinated you can feel safe
or b) you don't feel safe because you don't trust the vaccine to be effective, therefore… you ask of other people to be vaccinated in vain as well ?
and it's one thing to have the courtesy to respect a distance, wear your mask and wash your hands to enter a store, and something entirely different to feel pressured to have a substance injected into your body that's been thrown together in like a year by companies who were racing to get it out. the responsibility also falls on the people at risk to protect themselves, society has to get back on track at some point like
>>912699 said.
No. 920855
My boyfriend is so paranoid about covid and keeps sending my stuff about breakthrough infections and stuff. He lives in the US and I'm in Europe, and was happy that finally I can visit him at the end of November (the travel ban is lifted in November), but it just feels like if there are still covid cases by then (which is inevitable) then he'll think it's too risky. I'm just so tired. We're both fully vaccinated. I told him to get the booster when he can, but what else can you do aside from locking yourself up for the next 5 years or so? Aren't serious breakthrough infections extremely unlikely if someone is vaccinated and healthy/young?
I wear a mask if I'm somewhere indoors, but I'm going to the gym multiple times a week where only I wear a mask, I've been to crowded places etc., and it's been fine. Compared to that, sitting on a plane with fully vaccinated people, since that's the requirement to enter the US, who've all been tested seems like a minimal risk. But he just talks about how you'll end up 'maimed' if you get a breakthrough infection. I've always been really careful, I'm still more careful than most people. I think he wants to wait until covid enters the endemic stage, but idk if he actually understands that covid is never going away, even if cases won't always be as high as now. Just feels so stupid to me.
No. 920870
>>920855your boyfriend sounds really paranoid. You cannot magically infect yourself since enough viral load has to enter your body through droplets on mucus membrane. When you follow basic hygiene rules, keep your distance and wear a proper mask when in a room with others the chance that you get infected while young and vaccinated is extremely low. He sounds mentally unwell, covid will not go away it will become endemic like the other viruses. Does he get so paranoid about other dangers as well?
>>920839nta but vaccines against coronaviruses were not thrown together in a year like you said, they have been researched way longer than that.
No. 920884
>>920868ya keep thinking that lmao…. just stay inside your house if youre scared
>>920877exactly! the "the have been researched forever… safe… effective…" talking point has been over-exhausted even after being proven wrong since theres no long term studies
No. 920892
>>920885Yeah. Politicians are living for this power right now.
Like, if a politician said everyone must drive a new, completely emission-free car to stop climate change, but the car was never tested on the freeway, would you drive it?
No. 920906
>>920896Most people I know are vaccinated, and most still got covid (even multiple times) regardless of the vaccine they chose (we have a wide array of choices here).
None of them ended up hospitalised or with a serious case.
No. 920971
>>920896thats not accurate because we just all confirmed we dont know the long term effects. that can be your opinion, but at the same time, you can look at it this way: get covid and see what happens or get vaccine and also risk side effects and you can still get covid (no clear proof that it will be any less harmful because there are still vaccinated and hospitalized people).
i think people should have a choice and do what they want. just stay as healthy as possible in the meanwhile because the vaccine is not a shield.
No. 920972
>>920892And not only power, those sweet euros too. One of the politicians who was pushing hard for the vaccine passport in my country is married to the CEO of the company in charge of distibuting the vaccines in his region. Others receive buxx from mask companies. No one bats an eye, corruption is our daily meal.
>>920906A lot of my friends caught it before the vaccines were out and only one (obese) guy ended up in the hospital, no ICU and recovered in two weeks. The others had nothing but cold with a positive covid test. The vaccine ain't it, young people weren't affected in the first place. I miss the times when we called it the boomer remover.
No. 920992
>>920972The irony is, you're replying to a "boomer" talking about my boomer friends. Well fuck you too I guess.
>>920971>i think people should have a choice and do what they want. I agree respect your choice.
No. 921021
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My university is forcing me to take the vaccine.
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>>921036They won’t let me in if I do.
No. 921121
>>921108im pretty sure you need a reminder of the survival rate of covid…
also for many covid is just a cold (unless u have underlying issues or are obese). the vaccine effects arent too clear. i think its okay to be worried about either but dont forget covid is a flu and what can happen is known to us. also, once again therapeutics are available (not in my country because they made them hard to access and all they push is vaccine) and it helps to take vitamin d, zinc, whatever still
No. 921362
>>921121Nah, I’m aware of that. It’s just that the vaccine is even more harmless because it basically does what covid does but weaker. I think it’s okay to be worried as well, but after I’ve read into the vaccines I don’t understand how this can be worse than the real virus.
>>921288I can’t watch that on my device, pls elaborate or give source I’m not gonna download a media player just for this
No. 921497
>>921359enjoy your iron deficiency
>>921362i explained how…
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>>921085Nope.
>>921093I don’t think so, but even if I could I don’t have the test money to spare.
Looks like I’m going to have to take it. I don’t want to. Sigh.
No. 921783
>>921762I caught it last year when I was 25 and was sick fof three months straight. I couldn't breathe properly for a whole month and after that I still had other symptoms. I could barely eat and sleep and the very few things I ate I couldn't even digest it so I ended up weighting like 35kg at some point. I don't have any other health issues yet I thought I was going to die so I'd say don't rely too much on stats because there are always exceptions, and it could be anyone, even you.
I feel like most young, healthy people who got fucked up from covid had that "it only happens to others" mentality given what they say after they recover IF they recover.
No. 921815
>>921768Oh damn that are some pretty bad side effects, i also got moderna but i only got a light headache, my friend did get ill tho and he said he was nauseous but not as extreme as you because he felt well enough to still game with me lol.
Now im wondering if i have a bad immune system, i do eat healthy and im not overweight. But when i was a child i got a very bad lung infection and had to stay in the hospital for half a year. After that i never went to the hospital again but im still wondering if somehow my immune system is more shit than other or something.
>>921783That sounds so scary anon! I'm glad you are feeling better now, my best friend also got covid and while it wasnt so bad that she had to get to the hospital she told me she never felt as bad ever in her life. For two weeks she stayed in her bad and was feeling very ill and had a tightness in her chest. And she also couldnt smell or taste stuff for a weeks after, thankfully she got her taste and smell back but im so scared that if i get it that i would lose it forever or something.
>>921798I didnt have any menstruation issues either but im also on birth control so i honestly dont watch my cycle that closely. Still it has been months now and it doesnt seem like it changed anything with me.
>>921121I mean i get the comparison to the flu but at the start of covid in spain, the dead of covid was like 5 times as more then the flu? It might also have to do with the fact that hospitals where really full since it spread so fast but yeah i think sometimes people here forget or dont know how spain and italy looked like at the beginning of the covid pandemic. It was pretty bad, at first when i heard of covid i was like oh its just a flu but when i saw how fast it spread and how many people had to go to the hospital my mind changed. I do think lockdowns help with the spreading and i really don't want the hospitals full again and not having enough people in the hospital to take care of the patients is a scary sight. But then again my country only had 1 lockdown and it wasnt to bad but i can imagine that for some people having multiple lockdowns is bad for there mental health.
No. 921831
>>921815Oh hi fellow spic. ¿Cuántas seremos por aquí?
I'm sorry but I have to call some bullshit on your post.
>how many people had to go to the hospitalOur hospitals in winter are fucking full covid or not. Just google "hospitales colapsados"+any litteral year and you'll get tons of articles. Our healthcare is shit due to politicians pocketing the money instead of improving it. Plus most people got it once they were in the hospital because they went for a different reason. Same with elders homes, makes you think the staff are the real psychos who spread it
>but muh deathsYeah like someone I knew who was in palliative care dying from several tumours but got the rona in the hospital and they slapped covid on the death certificate. Family didn't protest because they're piss poor and the hospital agreed to pay for the incineration if they didn't sue. I'm still waiting to see the piles of bodies on the streets of the countries that didn't lockdown or had way lighter lockdowns than us.
No. 921950
>>921815lockdowns do not help lol theyre ineffective because people have lives and its just not realistic. my country had like 5 lockdowns and it was pure hell and completely stupid. a lot of people have been killing themselves, getting mental issues, or overdosing (im pretty sure the numbers are on par with covid) and i think that this virus should run peoples lives like it is now.
>>92183I believe this haha same thing where i am. My family even spoke to a funeral home owner who told us that people are labelled as a covid death many times wrongfully because there’s financial incentives.
No. 921972
>>919547I would recommend listening to The Signal's episode on the protests. The Guardian also had some really good articles on it too!
The ABC interviewed a few academics and they estimated that the agitators were a minority (conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, right wing, and anti-authoritarians). It was also mentioned that because no one was on the ground asking people who they were it was impossible to fully know the breakdown of the protestors, and that attendees could be both tradies and agitators.
John Setka, the head of the CFMEU, is also kind of dodgy and divisive within his own organisation. At least he intends to expel CFMEU members who attended the protests.
No. 921990
>>921943Gonna guess that
nonnie is French, tampon means stamp in baguette.
No. 922002
>>921762No, the fearmongering from both sides is utterly ridiculous.
It makes for good imageboard shitposting though.
No. 922722
>>922707You actual retard they’re talking about people outside of your school situation. Stop bitching and take the damn vaccine, humans love to talk big and then literally whimper at a fucking needle it’s so pathetic.
>side effectsLet’s revisit elementary middle school science since you don’t understand. The vaccine has the deactivated agent, they put the vaccine into your body, you have an immune response that can vary from person to person because no every has the same metabolic makeup so your body can build up some form of immunity against the virus.
>the risksSome people are allergic to whatever crap they put in the vaccine, it’s the same risks with other vaccines. Whatever the ingredient is that they list as being an allergen, check if you’re allergic and if you aren’t then you’re fine.
No. 922725
>>922722Did you even read anons post or did you just get
triggered over the mention side effects? The point is that she is basically forced to take the vaccine while signing a paper that she is not forced to take it and also that she is aware of side effects that aren't even fully researched yet lmao.
No. 922734
>>922722> Stop bitching and take the damn vaccine, humans love to talk big and then literally whimper at a fucking needle it’s so pathetic. I’m not American so the whole “scared of a needle uwu tough guy scaredy” falls flat. And you’re being extremely fallacious when you say that those who skeptical of vaccines are “scared of a needle”. They’re not scared of a needle; they have natural reservations about an experimental drug with unknown longterm effects.
Anyway, the point is I’m being told to either fuck off or take the vaccine by my uni and then sign a paper saying that this shit isn’t mandatory and that I exempt any authorities from any responsibility that might arise from getting vaccinated. What the fuck does that even mean? I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but of course I’m bothered about being blackmailed into injecting an experimental drug imported from a country that deemed it safe to prescribe DES and thalidomide for women.
No. 922760
>>922754Except that going on a trip to a country isn't really a need in most cases, going to work and getting an education are basic rights.
>>922751Only the FDA approved it officially, and only the Pfizer one afaik. Of course there are other interests involved too which made them rush to "approve" it.
>My right to not live in a perpetual hellscape of unvaccinated idiots spreading and mutating a virus until the end of humanityThat doesn't make sense. Fully vaccinated people have shit immunity just a couple of months after taking it. Even if you took it recently, you can still catch covid and spread it. In some countries vaccinated people still end up in ICUs. If you were one of the first people to complete the vaccination, you probably have next to no "immunity" by now and you'd be able to catch covid and spread it.
No. 923581
>>922754AYRT, this is very funny.
>get vaccinated >if you don’t, you’re not allowed entry>no online classes>failYou’re right anon. They’re not forcing me, they’re just coercing me into taking the vaccine and signing a paper saying that I wasn’t coerced to take the vaccine.
Argentina’s vaccine supply deal with Pfizer fell apart because they demanded immunity from prosecution from vaccine side effects. Yes, this is standard in such cases, but I’m still skeptical of an American big pharma lizard demon company asking for liability protection against civil claims for cases due its own negligence and fraud. And even worse, they want me to sign a paper exempting them from all responsibility? When I don’t even know the longterm effects?
>>922760> Fully vaccinated people have shit immunity just a couple of months after taking it. There’s a reason why you see mostly vaxxed people getting covid these days.
No. 923627
>>923625How many fucking times… the problem with letting the unvaxxed get the disease is that every time it infects somebody, it runs the risk of mutating into something that may very well render the current vaccines more or less obsolete and we're back to square one where you get sick and fucking die regardless of our vax status
It's literally not about 'letting the unvaccinated die of their own stupidity', it's about their stupidity taking those with a higher sense of civic duty and civic health with them, even though the vaccinated people did everything right.
No. 923635
>>923627That's what boosters are for.
Let. them. die.
I want my fucking life back and if these idiots want theirs back too, then they can deal with the consequences.
>>923631I don't care you smug fatty shit weasel.
No. 923636
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>>923631>I have friends, go to parties, and btw I weigh 100 elbees!Because only the hottest most social American Stacy is up at the waking hours of the night shitposting on the basketweaving gossip forum.
No. 923644
>>923642>Vaccines don't even work Source or gtfo.
And again, as I've said, I don't think the government should be protecting anyone anymore regardless of the tinfoil motives. Mandates made sense in the beginning when nobody knew a thing about the virus and before vaccines were available. Now? I completely agree. The government should back off and let you people deal with whatever. I'm confident with the vaccines and am happy to get them.
No. 923664
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>>923657So which one are you on this map? It's now daylight in burgerland too. Try not to harass the McDonald's employees too much when you get to the register.
No. 923674
>>923664I’m getting the vaccine for you
nonny so I will try not to chimp out too much at the doctors
No. 923681
>>923679You're not as likely to spread covid if you're vaccinated, and if you're vaccinated you're less likely to suffer any severe symptoms including death.
Were you part of the same group of anons back in the beginning who claimed masks don't do shit either because you couldn't grasp that concept as well? Bless your soul.
No. 923691
>>923683This. So many of these people live such crap lifestyles and eat so much shit that a pathetic flu is a threat to them, but they insist they're the healthy, smart ones because they got a jab with no long-term testing and that requires 900000 booster shots. And then they'll get the virus anyway lol.
Keep seething about how everything is the fault of the unvaxxed while ignoring that your government, corporations and entertainment industry are full of unvaccinated people who don't give a shit about masks, and can do whatever the fuck they want. If you ever wonder for a split second if this might really be about money and control, you're a conspiracy theorist. Never eat healthy, don't lose weight, don't exercise even a bit. Just get jabbed and take drugs all the time. You'll defeat the virus after this next booster shot, we swear.
No. 923692
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>>923681But the vaccinated can still spread it. So really, it doesn't make sense to push people to get a vaccine that doesn't 100% stop you from spreading it OR catching it. People should just protect themselves the way they see fit and leave the rest of us that don't want to alone without guilting us. It's a shitty strategy and it won't work, antivaxxed are only conceding once their fucking jobs or schools are forcing them, which isn't a "choice" is it? Especially if you have dependents
>>923683>They will live another 2 years thanks to you giving up your freedomsI know this is harsh but old people dying isn't my fucking problem and I don't get why the pro vaxxers don't understand that. It's not my burden to bear, I'm not risking MY health for something that won't even protect me from getting it. I am not fat, I don't have a pre-existing condition, and I'm young. I would rather take my chances with something known than the unknown. Look at all these young healthy athletes collapsing lately with heart issues? All vaxxed. Won't be me
No. 923773
>>923748if i get alzheimers just know that i’ll always remember you
nonny>>923703> Young and healthy people don't get to live their life because an old infirm person might die.what’s keeping you inside though? i’m going to assume your young, healthy, and not immunocompromised, so go out already and have fun already. i dont know where you live but most people i know have forgot about corona since june
No. 923783
>>923625The circular logic coming from sociopathic selfish retards is hilarious to watch.
>JUST LET PEOPLE DIE SO I CAN GO BACK AND DO STUPID WASTEFUL SHIT AGAIN MUH FREEDUMBS BEING TAKEN AWAYWhy don’t you die? Seriously? Why should a grand majority of people sacrifice their lives to get covid just so you can go into a smelly and overcrowded grocery store to “feel alive” again? What is so Orwellian about managing public health? Absolute and total freedom is nearly impossible.
No. 923791
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>I don’t wash my hands more than usual
And why are you bragging about that
No. 923832
>>923828Not a gotcha just because you don't understand how vaccines work.
Did you kick up such a fuss for yearly flu vaccines? Do tetanus shots also not work because you need to re-up too? Poor little retarded you.
No. 923833
>>923826I'm unvaccinated and I wear my mask whenever I leave the house and social distance, not like you have any choice anyways. Riddle me this anon:
Who should stay at home?
1. the 1% of the population who is at serious risk of dying of covid
2. the 99% of the populatiom who isn't
Clearly we must all put our lives on hold forever, despite the fact that the vaccinated are totally and completely protected already and you don't have to be afraid of getting covid at all right? You can't spread it at all? You only have a "mild" version of it if you get it? legit, WHY do you act as if the unvaccinated are LITERALLY murdering you? Because you're a dumb fuck.
No. 923835
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>>923631you're so cool anon, wow
>>923642>>923683>>923692kek this is some saggy tit energy
>>923828so i guess my influenza shot doesn't work either because i get a new one each fall? shit, i should have listened to you, not the doctors!
No. 923839
>>923833Not a riddle at all. Allow me to clear things up for you:
>Who should stay at home?People who are unvaccinated but not willing to adhere to mandates such as masking and social distancing, nor as well routine testing.
But like I said, I think the vaccinated and people willing to follow protocols shouldn't be concerned about tard babbies like you anymore. If you don't think it's a biggie boo boo then you can deal. People like me are tired of protecting you if you wanna risk it so much. If shit gets worse than it is then tough tiddy. On that I 100% agree with you.
No. 923840
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>Holy shit Anonitas! We NEED TO PROTECT GRANDMA AND GRANDPA! Can you imagine if they only live to 81 instead of 82? We need to protect the boomers at all cost! You are LITERALLY killing my grandma by not getting vaxed! Put your life on hold forever so my grandma who has already lived hers can spend another year watching CBS! Otherwise you are a sociopath!
No. 923845
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I'm so tired of this authoritarism talk, stupid first worlders in their comfy first world countries should just eat shit
No. 923848
>>923840>sociopath To be fair, the anti-vaxxer upthread threw that card first. Maybe don't dish out what you can't handle?
If granny and grandpap got vaccinated they are safe and are better off. If they die after the vaccine and because unvaccinated didn't care about their lives, then that's tragic. If granny and grandpap die because they were like the anti-vaccys itt then it seems about deserved at this point.
It's just weird that you're stuck on this "protection" point when I don't think people who are unwilling to help themselves should be protected at all anymore. It's just a shame that the anti-vax are making it real difficult for anyone else with a non-covid issue to get proper hospital attention because you're coofing in all the hospital beds.
No. 923859
>>923848The protection thing is bullshit. Vulnerable people here were told to "shield", got priority grocery deliveries , priority vaccines, were allowed to WFH at all times. Why didn't governments just implement this system in the first place?
It's like China locked down, so every other country fell in line. Scared to look pathetic next to the real world leaders.
No. 923866
>>923853>let unvaccinated people live their livesI agree.
Your risks ought to be 100% your own.
However if the unvaccinated people are still going to be clogging up the hospitals at alarming rates which again make medical access difficult for others, then I'm still gonna criticize the choice of risks that lead to that outcome.
No. 923868
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>>923850>>923854t.
Damn, that incel shit stung huh? Maybe you should try trooning out since you're all about the injectables. Definitely detecting some high testosterone from these posts.
Love being an unvaxxed queen who can survive a flu and won't be living out the thalidomide crisis in 5 years xoxo
No. 923873
>>923869Moving the goalposts won't win your arguments dearie, people notice when they can go back to read what you've written <3
Have you considered sperging irl? At least someone might fall for your fallacies when you're bummed rushing them with too much stupid shit that they forget what they're addressing lmao.
No. 923906
>>923873Where did I move goalposts? I made my argument why I don't think it's working.
If your definition of "working vaccine" is still being infectious (but also more likely to be barely sympthomatic, so instead of staying home when infected, you spread your covid nicely everywhere while shitposting on a gossip forum about how unvaccinated are literally hitler), still being able to catch the illness and land in hospital with it and having that already pathetic ""effectiveness"" rapidly reduce after very few months, that's on you and not me.
No. 923916
>>923907>meanwhile millions of women miscarry regardless of the vaccine because very 10 to 15 out of 100 pregnancies end in miscarriage How would they even attribute it to the vaccine?
Meanwhile, so many reports of definitive proof that covid is killing pregnant mothers and jeopardizing or killing their newborns because they didn't get the jab. Jfc.
No. 923922
>>923909You seem pretty upset that people were laughing at you, you're giving off serious moid energy wanting to get so nasty about being teased.
You know what they say, women are afraid to be murdered while men are afraid to be laughed at…
No. 923929
>>923907>it has nothing to do with your genes.it was a joke anon, i know. but yes, i understand where you’re coming from, especially considering how pregnant women were prescribed thalidomide like it was nothing. however, is there any reliable sources connecting this to the cursed vaccine? and i mean reliable research, not empirical evidence or anecdotal stories. i’m not pro-vax, and yes the pharma industry has harmed women in the past, but i think you can stand to be less paranoid regarding your uterus (all while being reasonably skeptical, of course)
hopefully one day you’ll be a mom and suffer zero miscarriages. good luck
No. 923930
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>>923892>Fucking doctors, nurses, and other patients trying to get help are fucking saying this. Have you actually talked to some (in real life, not trash journos)?
>>923912because all the other ones had years of clinical studies before getting cleared
No. 923932
>>923921Hm, how to frame this so your tiny little mind can understand the concept, let's see…
>the majority of miscarriages cannot be attributed to the vaccine because there is no reported increase of miscarriages post-vaccine>meanwhile, every pregnant woman who has died and had their child die while having covid can be 100% be attributed to the virus, as there are increased reports of pregnant women and their newborns dying of covid complications Did this make sense for you sweetie???
No. 923939
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>>923627How are tards still making this point which has already been proven wrong by scientists lol the vaccinated her the main drivers of any mutation
>>923839Does your head ever hurt from the stupid mental gymnastics youre doing
>>923859its almost like… some countries were in on it the whole time and are largely influenced by China
No. 923945
>>923937>your punctuation sucks!!ok
nonnie>>923919based
No. 923950
>>923938Then post sources about the increased rate of miscarriages due to the vaccine or gtfo.
Meanwhile, it is a known fact that covid causes miscarriages and maternal death.
No. 923954
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>>923942>>923943>>923946COVID thread always bringing the infighting autists kek
No. 923956
>>923912read the thread… its not that hard just read
>>923948fauci helped fund this covid bullshit and in canada it looks like they had some involvement as well.
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>Hm, how to frame this so your tiny little mind can understand the concept, let's see…
>sweetie
>dearie
>BAKA
><3
>looooooooser.
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>>923955so because a scientist with relevant credentials is on twitter you cant trust them that much because they are on twitter. Makes a lot of sense lmao heres his site:
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/credentials in picrel. Hes one of many scientists speaking up and saying this
No. 924002
>>923835>so i guess my influenza shot doesn't work either because i get a new one each fall?The flu vaccine isn't reliable because it involves guessing what strain of flu will be prevalent that season. Sometimes they get it right and it works, sometimes they get it wrong and it doesn't. Unless you're at risk of dying from flu it's a complete waste of time.
>>923840>less than 10% of boomers die of covid anywayWhat is even the point of all this? Who cares that some boomers spend a few years less being drugged in a care home?
No. 924200
>>923919Trust me, no you don't
Infertility in women is linked to all sorts of other issues, once your hormones are fucked your entire body is as well
No. 924236
>>924222>>924222okay, so bare with me, because i mulled this over.
we don’t have a vaccination record, it’s more a “passport”. basically a card with official shit on it, and that’s what i should fake. i thought of one thing i used to do as a 16 year old: taking a pic of my friend’s vax card, going on photoshop, and photoshopping my name instead. now there’ll be the issue of the paper’s material, which is very thick material, basically canson paper with a really distinctive texture. i couldnt find it, so i decided that i’ll put the photoshopped picture on my phone, and say that i lost my card/forgot my card at home, and show them the pic on my phone to prove i have it. this wouldn’t have worked either because it is not sustainable in the long term. at one point they’ll ask for my card, and if i tell them i lost it they might check the database. that’s my issue, the ducking database.
option number 2: find someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows a doctor at the vaccination center. this is very very hard because i’m 20, i dont know any doctors, and i doubt that someone would risk their job for me. worse, they have this set up at the vaccination center: four ladies in in one room all next to each other, so you go to A to get your card, B to check your medical history, C to get the demon vaxx, and D to check your card and sign you up in the database and determine your second shot’s date. what i really need was A and B, and they’re two separate nurses. no one will do this for me unless we’re really good friends. this is a thirdworld country; we don’t have the context that you guys have in the US to operate in, no one would ever understand why you’d refuse a vaccine (unless they’re terminally online, and i doubt thirdie nurses are terminally online). they aren’t mistrustful of big pharma, which they don’t have big pharma, and they really don’t care anyways what goes in the US. so again, i need to be really good friends with a nurse who works there who’ll sign me up the database and give me a vaxx card with no questions.
say, a broke girl like me who doesn’t have enough money to fix her rotting teeth at the dentist tries to bribe a nurse. this could go: very bad, or very very bad. most women uphold their morals very well and would take offense to bribery, especially a nurse whose image been reinvented as some kind of angel in recent media. if it were a man they’re retarded anyway and there would’ve been a slight chance that i’d flirt with them to get my vax card, but even if i did my hair and wore nice clothes and flirted to A then I’m not sure the same would work at D.
so now i’m left with two options: get coerced into being vaccinated, or get tested every three days for a shitton of money that i don’t have, and the second option wasn’t even available until an hour ago. if only i’d waited. might say fuck it and not get my second shot though
No. 924477
>>924309>i just got my first dose of moderna today.I also got the moderna in june and I don't miss my periods at all. Don't understand how I ever dealt with them in the first place.
I don't get why anti-vaxxers can't just pull themselves together, it's literally just a short appointment, a sting in the arm and then you are good to go and thanks to our government it's all free as well.
No. 924621
>>924435take your meds
nonny, if you keep going on like this you’ll end up popping a vein
>>924281i was surprised initially as well. anyone who’s lived in a third world country knows that there is a “america is trying to get us!” narrative that has been around for more than 50 years. but i don’t think that they’re not suspicious of the vaccine, they just don’t care anymore. i brought up the fertility point with some friends and family and the responses were either laughter, “i don’t really value my life that much lol”, or “you’re retarded, who cares if they put evil juice in the vaccine”. i think honestly at this point we’ve seen so much that most people don’t care anymore
another point is conspiracy theories need to carry some traction to gain some kind of….legitimacy in the public. you need the crazy facebook posts and the TV coverage. i’ve seen almost no one talking about their suspicions regarding the vax. the only ones who did were the terminally online types (and i can count them on my hand!), and it ended up making people not care more because terminally online types aren’t exactly popular or persuasive.
anyway i took AZ, the side effects got my ass pretty quickly, but disappeared after 12 hours. i couldn’t look at my phone because my head throbbed like hell, and i couldn’t get out of bed because everything hurt. now i’ve only got a shitty headache and sore bones.
No. 924633
>>924626This is the covid thread, not the vaccine thread.
Any and all covid talk goes here.
I mean, there's even a "torrent for survival pdf in case you want to go full doomer mode" linked in OP.
No. 924640
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>>924626The skeptics outnumber the pro government house arrest chuds now. Maybe you should make your own thread where the only discussion allowed is asspats and wishing death on anyone who didn't yet get a booster shot straight in their taint
No. 924654
>>924640Sage for blog/weird rant
I’m fully vaxxed (mostly for my grandparents sake) but even I’m iffy af about the booster thing they’re trying to shill. I’ve had swollen armpit glands and been feeling like dog shit since getting my second shot last Monday. I know some people that have had constant poor health since getting it three months ago. I’m not into any great conspiracy theory but honestly, i don’t see how it wouldn’t be wise to question the sheer number and severity of symptoms in people.
For the record, I’m by no means right wing as any criticism of anything to do with covid protocol would have me painted as. I nearly died from corona last year- one of the first cases in my country. Yet I hate how there’s this weird ‘oh you don’t believe everything the government/pharmacies say? You’re an anti masked’
Same with the opposite, ‘stop wearing a mask and giving in to the hoax!!!11’. It’s like any and all logic has gone and usually ‘centrist’ and reasonable people have taken to extreme sides.
No. 924664
>>924654> i don’t see how it wouldn’t be wise to question the sheer number and severity of symptoms in people. Isn't this a normal effect of vaccines in general? The symptoms you listed are covid symptoms, some people have more severe reactions to covid than others.
> It’s like any and all logic has gone and usually ‘centrist’ and reasonable people have taken to extreme sides.I find that having longer conversations IRL (dialogue; two-way discussion) with close friends and family only helps. Lecturing colleagues and strangers online is just crackers.
No. 924823
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Earlier this month, I lost my job for reasons unknown, but it was suspected it was because I was unvaxxed – though they made a policy that you wouldn't lose your job if you were unvaccinated! Unless, of course, it introduced a business problem due to lack of work. How it introduced a business problem is beyond me considering I was 100% remote, but hey! Can't be the only unvaxxed person in a business full of retards who think this is a political issue and you are a Trump-loving, uneducated idiot if you refuse.
Once again, I am in this precarious situation where I am applying for a fully remote, no-travel required job where they are asking for my vax card or a negative test. For what? I am in no way a liability for this company. I will never meet them in person. I'll take the test since this is a six-figure job, but… what. WHAT.
So, yeah. Go ahead and tell me this isn't a cult. How do these policies make any fucking sense?
No. 924989
>>924823>How do these policies make any fucking sense?This is what pisses me off. Vaccinating children is illogical. Full freedoms for vaccinated people (despite vax status not preventing contraction/transmission) isn't rational.
>normalised niqab >greater cleanliness and sanitation>working from homeThese have been some benefits, but not because of Covid prevention reasons.
But keeping India/USA on the green list when they had HIGHER deads/cases than red-list countries was entirely political. As was charging for certain test kits and not others, restricting domestic travel, and coercive vaccinations.
No. 925195
>>925021i am so sorry to hear that anon! i hope she will get well soon. i am also canadian and our media is the worst especially when it comes to covid as they are obsessed with producing as much fear porn as possible and pushing the vaccine. hilarious how anytime they make polls like "should people without vaccines be allowed to enter restaurants???" the polls overwhelmingly lean to yes, but since they dont like the outcome they remake them again. since most people dont pay attention to these polls and i only noticed once people mentioned it, i believe most of the votes are fake anyway to push an agenda. how dare anyone speak against the almighty vaccine!!!!!
just know you are not alone in what you are feeling. also, consider signing your support for the bill against vaccine mandates in the workplace:
http://romanbaber.ca/JobsBill/ hoping for the best anon!
No. 925795
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>>925756You keep yours on then and mind your own business.
No. 925799
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>>925021>Then that whole thing of the news channel on FB asking for stories of people who have lost an unvaxxed family member to covid and getting hundreds and hundreds of replies of people talking about how they lost a vaxxed family member instead, or the nasty sides they got…That was in Michigan Channel 7 News (Detroit), that was crazy. The pro-vaxxers were even fact-checking people. Pic related, a woman said her aunt died after taking the vaccine and somebody posted that slamming her. Then someone later posted proof of a mourning post for that woman's aunt in March, saying she died after getting the vax. So the comment was wrong in the first place. Vaxxers just jumping on any chance to discredit people to defend their holy drug
No. 925979
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The power of fearmongering abd telling people that the unvaxxed are LITURALLY KILLING YOU!
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1442555517507883014?s=20 No. 926030
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I thought this might be relevant here.
No. 926098
>>926086Do you know what an undue burden is and why comparing the incubation, birthing, and caring of a fetus has nothing to do with a shot?
Idiot.
No. 926597
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>>926104this. it's literally impossible to even question the vaccine without being shat on. there were vaccines in history but if you need an army to attack everyone to remind them how it's super safe and everyone will die if you don't get it then it is not that
No. 926669
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>>926634The goalposts keep shifting and it's making them nervous
No. 928404
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So, how come no one ever talks about the environmental impact of masks? Aren't cloth masks banned in Germany, too?
Why wreck the environment when you're trying to live?
No. 929060
>>929057So natural immunity isn't real?
The post is a greater criticism of mandates and for the people that don't want to be vaccinated because they had COVID before with no complications.
No. 929084
>>929061What country are you in? That's exciting!
I'm just scared that I'm going to lose my livelihood because I'm not taking an injection for which long term side effects are not yet known. The vaccine itself was only tested for 9-10 months maximum before it was released to the public. They still don't the long-term side effects (if any), but they're making people take it anyway. The FDA is requiring postmarketing studies for Pfizer and Comirnaty that will go on until 2027. Look up Study C4591009.
Postmarketing requirements are only required for medications that still need to assess serious risk related to use of the drug, assess serious signals of risk related to use of the drug, and identify an unexpected serious risk when available data indicates the potential for serious risk.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/postmarket-requirements-and-commitments/postmarketing-requirements-and-commitments-frequently-asked-questions-faqSo if the vaccine is being mandated because it is so safe and effective, why is the FDA placing postmarketing requirements that are only given to drugs that involve potential for serious risks?
No. 929987
>>929855they could've just went to the hospital, all of the standard protocols are proven to increase death rate and hospital stay time.
it's the supposedly schizo treatments that decrease recovery time and death rate.
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>>929855>they deserved to die, they were the weakest link! survival of the fittest! what is wrong with you kek
No. 930032
>>928404I see them all over the ground everywhere I go, constantly.
Question, anyone here not had covid at all despite returning to (mostly) normal life?
No. 930037
>>930032Same, its so gross. How much you wanna bet that the same people who were all aboard the greta thunberg climate change protest train are the same people dropping masks everywhere? kek
I havent had covid and I live as normally as I can for someone who is unvaccinated. Im tired of the mask charade though knowing they dont actually work and I like breathing air.
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>>929996Anti-vaxxers/COVID deniers don't really have a core set of reasoning behind their belief, they're emotionally attached to the idea that anti-COVID measures are harmful and will pick and choose a narrative from the gigantic pool of FUD porn depending on the context.
>actually the vaccine is what's killing people, look at these completely unverified self-reports>actually the vaccine has a microchip that will track people's movements>actually the vaccine is ineffective>actually the vaccine is effective but natural immunity is stronger>actually the virus isn't real>friend's grandma dies actually the virus is real but it's just like the flu>fat acquaintance dies actually the virus is bad but it's healthier to cull the herd>cough cough actually COVID exists but tptb are hiding cheap cures from us so they can profit off of this vaccine that they're offering for free>actually the vaccine causes people to shed RNA that infects others>actually I have a medical condition and am worried about the side effects>actually the vaccine has a microchip that is programmed to cull the population in a few months (except for the PATRIOTS who in this narrative would be the biggest headache for tptb of course)>actually the vaccine has compounds that will mutate your DNA>actually you should be mad at minorities since they have lower vax rates>actually muh tuskegee experiment so i can't trust the government>actually the vaccine makes you infertile>actually the vaccine was made with abortions>actually the vaccine is a mind-control compound>actually the vaccine is untested and I'm waiting for FDA approval>actually I don't trust the FDA>actually I'm waiting for a non-RNA vaccine to get approval>actually I don't trust any vaccinesIt reminds me a lot of how Qanon cultists had a belief system that would change on a weekly or even daily basis to cope with their theories and predictions blowing up in their faces. I guess this is the kind of conspiracy thinking we're stuck with from here on out. SAD!
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>>930043Nice generalization. Everyone has different reasons. You may not agree with them, but it shouldn’t mean people can’t have fears, hesitancy, or anxiety over a new vaccine technology that has never been tested in humans before.
Personally, I’m not getting the vaccine because the FDA has required additional clinical studies because of their acknowledgement of unknown serious risks and side effects
No. 930055
>>930052Can I just ask you, who is “they”? I feel like most of you with these
>>930043 kinds of viewpoints think that absolutely everyone who does not want to get vaccinated is some white supremacist trump loving conspiracy retard and not real people with real questions that the government won’t answer aside from using gay infographics with no sources, articles with no sources and spouting “VACCINES ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE” over and over. The “us against them” thing is getting really old. Plenty of normal, functioning people don’t want to get vaccinated.
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>>930055i love you
nonny, well said.
>>930052nice post, it made me realize that a lot of pro-vaccine tards are people with mental disorders and issues. i have never seen a group so afraid of living life, clinging to their mask and rubber gloves everytime they leave the house. theres definitely an anxiety problem there since they go on tirades reporting anyone who questions the vaccine or going out of their way to shame people not wearing masks in public, or most ridiculous: reporting restaurants which refuse to ask for vaccine passports out opf concern for their own safety kek thanks for the laugh
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>>930049While there are people on 'both sides' who have a vested interest in getting people to agree with them, all sides are not created equal, and regardless of whether there were measures by bad actors to spread absurd conspiracy theories about COVID, the reality is that a huge proportion of US citizens believe them (or at least use them when they're convenient) and you can meet them anywhere you go.
>>930050You're right and you're wrong. There's a distinction to be made between the people who are hesitant because they're scared or confused by the pool of mis/disinfo and the anti-vaxxers who spread the pool of mis/disinfo as per mentioned earlier. The latter camp acts this way full stop.
>>930055>somebody described conspiracy "thinking"? must be a twitter lib! No. 930132
>>930124>I’m discussing the very blatant divide that’s being exacerbated by the media You mean the one that you're enforcing with 'this person, who is probably a brainless libtard, probably thinks that i'm a white supremacist, which is really unfair even though i am allowed to make completely baseless characterizations about that person'
>>930128While this is true, the longevity of natural immunity is questionable, vaccine+natural immunity is even better, the booster may negate this to begin with, and you're gambling with your health if your plan is to acquire natural immunity with Delta. Natural immunity isn't an argument against getting vaxxed, especially if you aren't sure you had COVID to begin with.
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>>930132Just like there is an extremely small risk adverse long term effects of the vaccine, there is also a very small chance of me ending of hospitalized or dead from COVID. It should be my risk to choose.
Another thing I find interesting is the Comirnaty prescribing information literally says they don’t have sufficient information of the vaccine on pregnant women. But it’s so “safe and effective”. How can this be said if Pfizer is literally dating they don’t have enough data to make that determination?
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>>930148Samefag, forgot pic
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>>930132I'd rather gamble on my own health than get vaccinated, come to find out their "safe and effective" cope was just that, and resent myself.
If you are not immunocompromised, obese or elderly, coronavirus has a very low chance of killing you. You're more likely to die of nearly any other disease. Personally, I trust natural immunity more than vaccination, but I respect that some others would not. It should all be about personal choice.
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>>930043Yeah, how dare people have different opinions and reasonings. Every single one of those points must all be made by one person,
because that's easier to discredit. Everyone who disagrees with the holy vaccine is a single group.
No. 930176
>>930148Thanks for providing a great example of excuse salad. There's an "extremely small risk adverse long term effects of the vaccine" and it's your "risk to choose" (even though the effects of both the vaccine and COVID have been observed in millions of people across the world for months now- guess which one has a much higher risk of complications?) but also "they don't have sufficient information" about the effects on extremely small subset of the population so you are also questioning how "safe and effective" it is. Next you would attempt to sow distrust against the reliable sources documenting the negligible rate of severe vaccine side-effects, perhaps while cherry-picking anecdotes, news articles, etc that allow you to keep being afraid of the vaccine.
If you actually cared about the effect of the vaccines on pregnancy, you could easily 'do your own research' and look for the publications coming out on the matter, e.g.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7832570/ >>930160An idea should follow from a line of reasoning, not the other way around. The speed at which anti-vaxxers throw often contradictory shit at the wall demonstrates that they are attached to their belief that they shouldn't get the vaccine and will do anything they can to avoid letting it go.
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>>930176NTA, but what is all this for? Why shouldn't anon be allowed to decide whether or not she gets vaccinated?
If you mean to say you just care about everyone's health, that doesn't make sense unless you're lobbying just as hard against high-fructose corn syrup, PUFAs, and at least half of the other things killing the population slowly.
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>>930180>>930184It is easy enough to observe the same people using different and contradictory excuses, often within the same post or exchange; you can even see it for yourself in this very thread.
It's the same shit that TRAs pull; when you start with a core belief that crumbles under scrutiny, you're going to keep shifting your narrative to uphold that belief. I imagine you wouldn't doubt that a given TRA could say some variation of:
>actually you don't need dysphoria to be trans>actually nobody would choose to be trans because dysphoria is horrific>actually transition is life-saving treatment and withholding it is a human rights violation >actually gender and sex are a spectrum that people can shift through at a given time>actually children are young enough to know what gender they are and undergo medical transition>actually penises are female genitals too>actually SRS surgeries need to be prioritized over other treatments because it is life-threatening for transfxlx to live without the right genitalsin response to different contexts.
>>930192She is allowed to do what she wants. I was discussing her attempt to reason.
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>>930215>unironic 'I'm just asking questions'>How did you get the impression that i'm an anti-vaxxer??lmao
And as an aside, if you're interested in learning more about what's happening right now, here's a good place to start:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/the tobacco industry pioneered a few very effective propaganda techniques, a major one being the spread of the perception that there is scientific dissent or uncertainty towards a finding that is actually robust/debate that is for all intents and purposes settled. There are many other factors at play when it comes to the hardline anti-vaxxer conspiracy bullshit, but the techniques used to create vaxx-hesitancy are old and well-documented.