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i think you're a bit of an asshole but for good reason tbh, if you're bonded and its treated well then so be it
domestic cats should NOT be outdoor cats, so like…sorry lady lmao you obviously didn't care enough to worry until it was gone
not like she can prove its hers anyway
I don't see what the problem with this kind of thread is? I like it.
Just ignore it if you don't like it.
You basically stole the cat because the cat was being a slut for attention like how most cats are.
But the original owner is also an asshole for letting their cat outside, anything else could have happened to it like being eaten or hit by a car. >>410650
Not the asshole.
But really, would you rather hear if you're an asshole from idiotic, cumbrained, misogynistic scrotes on Reddit, or from (halfway) sane anons who have no interest in gaslighting and/or shilling political agendas?
As long as the gross run-off from Reddit don't make their way here, I think it's fine.
I'm sorry but OP is clearly saying that she has seen that the owner is actively looking for her cat and has flat out lied about stealing it? It's not like she took in a starving stray animal.>>410677
In most of Europe, people believe the cat's well being and happiness is most important than his owner's wishes.
How is it beneficial for a cat‘s wellbeing to be run over by a car?
I got my cat from a shelter, she was dying outside before someone found her. Never letting my baby outside, the risk is way too high.
I am searching every single combination of words I can think of to find anywhere where indoor cats are considered animal abuse or against the law and finding nothing. Provide specific countries please.
>the cat's well being and happiness is most important than his owner's wishes.
Which is why they should always be indoors. What part of "significantly shorter lifespan" is so hard to understand?
Cats enjoy the outside until some neighbor's dog or a tire is tearing them to shreds.
And if you don't want someone to accidentally steal your cat, I repeat: put a damn tag on it. It's not yours anymore the second you let it outside without a tag or microchip.
It really depends on where you live, as you said. If I lived in the countryside with little traffic or other things that could hurt my cat, she'd be an outdoor cat too.
Unfortunately I don’t live in a place like that at all, so she has to stay inside.
We’re always worried about her not tolerating a collar though, because what if she gets outside somehow one day and what OP described happens?
You people don't understand the purpose of this thread I am afraid. What's the point of ''am i an asshole?'' thread if you're just looking for people to hugbox you and polarizing opinions in your favour?
If you can't comprehend that in many countries outside the US, people live in the countryside with few cars and danger IDK what to tell you. Btw collars are a choking hazard since they can get caught in branches etc. Seems more like a comestic accessory than anything else.
>>410705>Btw in tons of places in the world letting your cat indoors is considered cruel and abusive
Using that phrasing made it sound like you were saying it was illegal and you did not clarify what you meant until now. Anyone who thinks it's abusive
to greatly lower your cat's chance of dying is either a nutjob or horribly uneducated on the subject, but shouldn't own a cat either way.
Also, your previous argument that collars are mostly cosmetic is absolutely retarded. You are participating in a conversation that centers around how black of identification can lead to people mistaking your cat for a stray. How can you be so dumb to say they're just an aesthetic thing in this context?
So you would rather live 90 years completely miserable in prison than 50 years free?>>410709
It's funny for someone how hell bent on safety you are, you would put your cat's health in jeopardy for the sake of identification. Many more ways exist like tattoos and microchips.
Stop thinking a cat living outdoors equals immediate death lol. My cat lived 6 years outdoors/indoors before becoming a complete indoors cat. Statistics are skewed since they refer to stray cats, not outdoors cats who also get fed and medically treated by human beings.
>>410712>It's funny for someone how hell bent on safety you are, you would put your cat's health in jeopardy for the sake of identification.
The health risks to a cat from being outside are incomparably greater than whatever weird complication comes from form of identification. This is one of the weakest gotchas I've ever seen.
>Statistics are skewed since they refer to stray cats, not outdoors cats who also get fed and medically treated by human beings.
I am finding nothing that says this other than your post. Sources?
>So you would rather live 90 years completely miserable in prison than 50 years free?
A more comparable number would be 20 years with the ability to go outside or 100 years indoors in a nice apartment with everything I need. And I would choose the latter.
He actually hasn't even expressed any interest in going outside.
In my experience, most people who want their cats to be outdoor cats just want to deal with less litter and general burden. I've seen people make their cats go outside and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case with him because he doesn't seem to have a desire to at all. Anytime I leave he just sits there, doesn't try to go out the door. Even when I had it open for like 10 minutes to bring my new fridge inside.
You still stole someone’s cat. ESH but obviously you’re the bigger fucking asshole for stealing someone’s pet, most people consider them family members
Doesn’t matter what your stance on outdoor vs indoor is because it’s still not YOUR cat
I am neither middle class nor American, I’m just not a retard that lets loose animals to roam outside of my property which I have absolutely no intention of supervising
By your logic I should let my rabbits roam about the city just because they want to with complete disregard to their safety and well-being
>>410719>100 years indoors in a nice apartment with everything I need
Big derail (although I guess it's already a derail), but this sounds so nice. Living out my days at home with my family and just taking part in my hobbies and sleeping, eating, and getting snugs.
God I wish I were my cat.
This is yet another dumb comparison because a mother doing that with her kid would have CPS called on her and be charged with child neglect or some shit.
Are you afraid of this happening to you? Just microchip your fucking cat.
And the owner clearly doesn't care about the obvious consequences of being insanely irresponsible with her cat.
Also, are you missing the part about there being no definitive way to know the cat belonged to this girl in the first place? You're essentially advocating that anyone who loses their cat in easily avoidable situations are justified to punch any rando who has a cat that resembles it.
That's true of some cats, but definitely not all. There's a lot of cats that look generic AF.>>410761
To be fair, the owner could easily think the cat is hers when it isn't. I had a friend who was convinced a neighbor stole their cat (similar situation but this one had a collar) only to find its remains in the woods the next week. There's really no way of being certain.
I just want to point out in some states animal control will straight up put the animal down if there's no evidence anyone owns the animal and the shelters are overcrowded.
So yeah, don't be dumb with your animals.
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Moral of the story: microchip your cat
willing to bet like a good third of the anti-letting cats out ones. repeating talking points/phrases. >>410771
yeah, owner is at fault for not feeling ops massive psycho pet stealer vibes /s
That's so horrible anon, I'm so sorry you're in such a nightmare of a situation. You absolutely should leave and take the kids. You're not an asshole in the slightest for doing that.
Also, no father is far better than a horrible father.
I wish you the best.
Trying to escape from an abusive
household doesn't make you an asshole. I can't really give you any life advice, but I hope things work out alright for you, and that you can be free of him someday.
it's a tricky one due to children. firstly, please elaborate what you mean by him having changed a bit? is the emotional abuse in the past too then?
in my heart I want to tell you to dump him bc being a child of a family where the dad abuses the mom is worse than a poorer but healthier household imo but I'm not sure what's the best way for you to disengage from him. if he isn't abusive
rn, work on getting a job and saving up some, if he is, reach out to women's shelters or crisis centres.
don't worry abt the father figure meme, I'm sure no father figure is better than father figure that abuses them, especially if your children are boys.
No, you're not the asshole for wanting to leave someone because he raped and abused you.
Your children would be disgusted if they found this out when they're older. They will understand why you left.
However how do you intend to gain custody of the kids if he lawyers up and shows that you've never had a work history and need benefits in order to live?
If he's asshole enough to rape you, he's likely asshole enough to punish you through your kids by trying to assassinate your character and take them away. Unless you think he won't, but I've seen abusive
I live in Ireland and lived in a residential area my cat was a rescue and likes access to outdoors. It's extremely common to see rescue pages and sites stating if a cat is indoor or needs outdoor access, it's better for their enrichment to get access outside. Maybe US car states are more dangerous. Personally my cat spends some hours outside, she's street smart and engages with school children knowing the times of their commute to get pets. When I was at school she use to range down to the bus stop and walk me home. Some owners give more freedom to their cats. My cat would always come when called and certain nights of the year like bonfire nights or Halloween, fireworks she was kept in. I guess it depends on area, I'm obviously not from US but sounds like this cat was use to having outdoor access.
I'd be interested how the content the cat is now being indoors.
I honestly don’t know.. I feel so broken and defeated at this point and keep switching between despising him and being unable to imagine life without him..
He’s a student so I don’t see him being able to afford a lawyer of any sort but I’m worried my history of abuse could be used against and it would be decided that I’m unfit to be a mother
To the anon that asked before, I don’t think he’s emotionally abusive
anymore.. but I’m very much frightened. I never feel truly at ease anymore and he does have a short fuse. Every little thing he does that inconveniences my life now makes me build up resentment, even if it’s something as mild as not helping with cleaning the house and I have to do it myself while in severe pain
I regret not having left earlier because at the end of the day I think I’m only staying because of our two kids now, but whenever I even entertain the thought of leaving I feel the biggest piece of shit on earth and when he cries I instantly forgive him and regret even bringing up any relationship issues we have
I’m just at a complete loss as to what I should do and whether or not I’m scum for even feeling this way. It’s been 6 years I feel like I should get over it but I know I would never even think of suggesting such a thing to any other rape victim
I love him but I don’t know if that’s enough at this point
What’s inconsistent about it?
And I don’t see my two year old and infant being able to attest to any abuse
What have you been doing in the last few years of adulthood? Did your abusive
parents prevent you from working as an adult?
How is she stupid? Making bad decisions because of either love, or because the alternatives are scary doesn't make someone stupid.>>410940>>410782
First off, start documenting, even if that just means writing down whenever he does things that could be grounds for an unhealthy relationship. What country are you in? Support for mothers is unfortunately varied by where you live. I don't know much about in the US, but in the UK you could divorce on grounds of the past abuse, be offered social housing on the basis of being a mother on benefits and split custody so that the children still see their father.
I'm sorry but when you say "my history of abuse" do you mean you yourself have abused people or drugs, or do you mean his own past abuse?
Do your parents help with babysitting ever or a desire to look after their grandkids? Do you have an type of friends or family that would mind your kids a few hours a day while you get whatever legalities you need to gain employment in the future. Obviously child care cost and welfare of your kids is a big concern so you need to think about how you can have them minded while you look into getting part time work or taking part time classes in the meantime. I assume your fiancé will not help with minding them or spending money on childcare so you need to figure that out because I assume you'll want to start working with a roof over your head to gain independence and maybe save and then once you're out of the house you can hopefully feel comfortable seeking proper help. Hopefully you can leave him sooner if he's abusive
and have somewhere to stay
My mum helps out often as she’s the only one I even remotely trust, I don’t have any friends as I’ve been pretty socially isolated and have trouble opening up to people
I feel like asking for advice on this may have been a mistake, whenever I bring stuff like this up I doubt myself and worry that I’m lying to everyone.. god I know I’m coming off as pathetic and I’m really sorry for that, no one wants to read a sob story (especially on an imageboard)
For god's sake, get out of there. You're not the asshole, you're living with a monster, bail.
I'll post my own:
I quit my decent paying but dead-end tedious job to be my mother's secretary/assistant/manager/whatever. She's started a new business that's getting pretty successful but because she took out a loan to start it she can't afford to pay me more than the bare minimum I need for rent and groceries (the plan is that my wage will go up significantly once the loans are repaid, on steady course to be done by September).
My partner is saying that it was shitty of me to accept this low wage job because, while I can cover the basics, I have a lot less money left for nice things like eating out and we can't take the vacation to Japan together they wanted in December. Am I being an asshole to my partner by bringing in a lot less money to the household than I used to, even though it's a temporary thing?
What the fuck kind of question is that to ask someone? >>410961
But even if you have received support for mental health issues, that doesn't mean that you are marked unfit as a mother unless it's a genuine risk such as a current substance dependency or in manageable personality disorder. Even with both if those examples, something like that would only be a temporary problem until you could prove you were maintaining your mental health once in a safe environment. Additionally, if it was found that the family home was unsafe for you butsomehow still a better place for your children, you should be supported so that you can provide equal custody once you live alone, with the worst case scenario being that you might have to bear through an assessment period. However as the mother and as a domestic abuse victim
you would be in a sympathetic position, and should also be able to ask social services up front if there would be any issues with your claim for custody. At least in the uk, this would be the the case.
Sorry to press the nationality thing, but anons from your city might be able to tell you of welfare organisations that can help get you going in the right direction.
don't stop there anon! you gotta exclude the bobfocs and the ones with bad teeth/hair colours etc too
ps even if you don't say it out loud, even if you come up with an excuse they'll know. haha. "I know you're my sister but I am being blackmailed by my colleague's wife's niece so she has to be a bridesmaid instead sorry about that"
wow you're a huge asshole.
You basically kidnapped someone's family member because you have different views on wether cats should be indoors or outdoors.
How would you feel if your beloved family member had been taken away from you by a cunt and you didn't even know where she went or if she's dead. How would you feel to keep on waiting every day for your cat to come back?
You have no idea if this person took good care of their pet. not everyone has your views and some see it as animal cruelty to lock their cat up indoors.
I hope you feel bad, you're horrible.
NTA and I am an Amerifag but like… you do realize lots of people hate cats, right? I have heard so many horror stories of cats being tortured or poisoned or killed, and most commonly, getting run over. Even letting your cat outside in a rural environment is dangerous. All kinds of birds of prey can hurt or kill them, and often do. Letting your cat out means you don't care about it, tbh.>>412367
Obviously the owner didn't care enough to not let what is essentially a child out, in a high risk area. If it was an accident, ok, but regularly letting a cat out when there are shittons of predators means you are a shit owner, sorry, and the cat deserves better. The cat deserves someone that will actually put its safety and best interest into action.
You do realise a lot of people live outside of America and don't have your same ideas about pets, right? In my country it's perfectly normal and considered abusive
to keep outdoor-cats indoors.
In fact, in our contract from the shelter where we got our outdoor cats, it actually states we are obligated to let the cats outside when they're adjusted to the area.
>Obviously the owner didn't care enough to not let what is essentially a child out>comparing an independant predator animal to a helpless snot-monster>letting cat have freedom = not caring
cats aren't the same as dogs you know
The OP also stated she put a collar on her wich is really annoying for cats who aren't used to it. In fact, it's a safety hazard if she gets stuck somewhere. Guess the OP doesn't care about the cat at all, right?
Still, let's not forget that she stole someone else's cat without even knowing their living situation or anything about them at all.
>>412374>In my country it's perfectly normal and considered abusive to keep outdoor-cats indoors.
Lol, ok. Most people in my country believe it's okay to keep cats outside. Our professionals and experts don't, however. Unless your pet industry is lined to the brim with weird shills, who, for some reason, want cats outside, I can almost guarantee they'd agree that it's best for cats to be inside, but mentally stimulated, given affection, etc.
>>comparing an independant predator animal to a helpless snot-monster>letting cat have freedom = not caring
cats aren't the same as dogs you know
I don't like dogs, but I never compared them to dogs. However, as intelligent as cats are, indoor/outdoor cats are socialized and can easily become prey to humans. And again, as intelligent as cats are, they don't know what the fuck a car or an 18 wheeler is. They're clever animals but they're not deathproof. Just admit you're a negligent cat parent defending a negligent pet practice and go, anon.
>The OP also stated she put a collar on her wich is really annoying for cats who aren't used to it. In fact, it's a safety hazard if she gets stuck somewhere. Guess the OP doesn't care about the cat at all, right?
Most people who aren't retarded buy the VERY WIDELY AVAILABLE "safety collars" for cats. If you were a decent cat owner, you'd know that. A cat that isn't used to a collar isn't going to die from not being used to it.
>>412375>>412375>Our professionals and experts don't, however.
Again, you assume that because it's this way in the usa, it's like this for every country. Typical Amerifag thinking they're always right and their ideals are standard for everyone.
>Just admit you're a negligent cat parent defending a negligent pet practice and go, anon.>If you were a decent cat owner, you'd know that.
Go fuck yourself, I'm a great owner and I treat my cats like royalty.
Every time we keep them inside for a coming storm or something they constantly whine at the door to be let outside, they love being outside and it makes them a lot less nervous than being trapped indoors.
And why do you assume I don't know about safety collars? They're still just as annoying for your cat but I guess you only care about keeping them locked up with a pretty collar as a toy.
>>412379>they constantly whine at the door to be let outside
Man, this. It makes me wonder if the anon arguing against outdoor cats has ever actually had one or is just talking about cat safety in theory. We had every intention of keeping out cats indoors when we got them, but they are RELENTLESS in their pursuit of getting outside. They would do literally nothing but sit at the door trying to escape, they clearly love being outside as much as possible.
I'd rather my cats live a potentially shorter but happy life than a long, miserable life trapped indoors. Considering I live on a quiet suburban street and they don't leave the garden that I've noticed, I'm willing to take the risk to let them enjoy themselves.
>>412379>Again, you assume that because it's this way in the usa, it's like this for every country. Typical Amerifag thinking they're always right and their ideals are standard for everyone.
I didn't say that. I was explaining that people popularly accept that letting cats out is ok in America, but professionals don't. If you refuse to accept that there are sadistic people in the world that can harm your pet, who is unattended for numerous hours, or you can't be fucked to care about their safety enough to want to limit their exposure to potentially cruel and harmful people, there's just straight up no denying that you're a shit owner. Sorry. Not the shittiest owner, but a bad owner nevertheless. Cats going outside isn't about their ability to feed themselves, but that they're no match to all kinds of predators and disease.
>Every time we keep them inside for a coming storm or something they constantly whine at the door to be let outside, they love being outside and it makes them a lot less nervous than being trapped indoors.
Ok? And? Toddlers whine and cry if they can't lick restaurant tables. Are we going to let them do that too? You're supposed to advocate for the animal and choose for them based on the fact that you're privy to fucktons more information about the world and what can harm them. Most people don't get their cats vaccinated for FIV, and it's an uncertain vaccine anyways, so I'm really glad you're this adamant about potentially exposing cats to lifelong, incurable diseases or a cruel, cold, painful death or suffering. Feel free to dig up the information from your shelter about how it's TOTALLY obligated to keep them outside, btw.
>And why do you assume I don't know about safety collars? They're still just as annoying for your cat but I guess you only care about keeping them locked up with a pretty collar as a toy.
Because your last post was retarded as fuck and said this:>The OP also stated she put a collar on her wich is really annoying for cats who aren't used to it. In fact, it's a safety hazard if she gets stuck somewhere. Guess the OP doesn't care about the cat at all, right?
No acknowledgement of safety collars, the possibility that OP put a safety collar on the cat, etc. You just straight up said collars are safety hazards, with no recognition of safety collars, or the fact that most popular collars you can buy at the store are safety collars now, or that most responsible pet parents buy them. >>412383> It makes me wonder if the anon arguing against outdoor cats has ever actually had one or is just talking about cat safety in theory.
I have 5 currently who were all stray rescues and have had literally countless throughout my life that transitioned to indoor pretty seamlessly.
>>412385>Toddlers whine and cry if they can't lick restaurant tables.
The temporary whims of a toddler that are forgotten about in half a second are not equivalent to the literal biological imperative animals have to be in their natural environment and behave in a natural way.
If being indoors is unnatural and unpleasant for cats, but they aren't safe outdoors, how is it even ethical to have a pet cat at all? Our cats probably aren't safe, yours probably aren't happy because how the fuck would an animal be anything but miserable indoors all the time We're all stuck between a rock and a hard place here if we have pets, be more reasonable.
>>412385>or you can't be fucked to care about their safety enough to want to limit their exposure to potentially cruel and harmful people
since you like to compare cats to children.
So you would keep your child locked up indoors too? Not send it to school? You're from America so I'm sure you're aware of school shooters, best not to send your kids to school because of those potentionally cruel and harmful people.
>Not the shittiest owner, but a bad owner nevertheless.
again, fuck you
>No acknowledgement of safety collars,>not covering every single detail means you don't know about it and makes you a shitty owner
lol, whatever sweaty
>or that most responsible pet parents buy them.
you assume OP is a responsible pet parent. I wouldn't call a thief/kidnapper responsible>>412386>The temporary whims of a toddler that are forgotten about in half a second are not equivalent to the literal biological imperative animals have to be in their natural environment and behave in a natural way.
Either way, people obviously have different opinions on keeping cats inside or letting them go outside but that doesn't mean OP should steal someone else's cat just because she disagrees with their view on that matter.
In this story, OP is the cruel and harmful person people with outdoor-cats should be afraid of.
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the amount of people in this thread chalking up letting a cat run free outside where it's supposed to be as animal abuse
OP give the cat you stole back and anons let your cats outside you fucking freaks
>>412401>You can't read for shit, anon. Literally no one said not letting a cat outside is animal abuse>>412395>What you're experiencing isn't rooted in reality
see>>410651>the original owner is also an asshole for letting their cat outside>>410668>the original owner is also an asshole for letting their cat outside>>410686>Never letting my baby outside, the risk is way too high
>Domesticated animals should be kept indoors for their own benefit unless they are supervised
>If you let your cat outdoors unsupervised, you consent to it being attacked by a dog, attacked by other cats, run over by a car, taken by a psycho and killed/tortured, poisoned by neighbors>>410706>the owner of that cat was also a dick who clearly didn’t care if their cat got hurt or died
this is 1/4 of the way down the thread, the thread is riddled with posts by freaks that ironically think it's abuse to let a cat outside when it's the total opposite.
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except that every single one did…? How does it to feel so wrong and so dumb anon
If you live in a place where it would be cruel to let your cat outdoors then you're a complete shitstain for having a cat at all.
>both will drastically decrease your pets life span. you also open the door for ticks, fleas or your cat simply ingesting something poisonous
that is literally just life anon, exposing a cat to the 'threats' of reality is infinitely less cruel then confining it to a long and boring life in a domestic prison.
>>412416>If you live in a place where it would be cruel to let your cat outdoors then you're a complete shitstain for having a cat at all.
Please read about cats in rural areas getting torn to shreds by hawks.
>exposing a cat to the 'threats' of reality is infinitely less cruel then confining it to a long and boring life in a domestic prison.
Wow, you're so right. Cats bleeding out after being hit in the stomach with a crossbow, dying of rat poison in poisoned food, being killed by a psycho, being ravaged by disease, dying with its head split open or bleeding out slowly after being clipped by a sedan, etc, is all totally much better than living indoors. Do you people even own cats? My cats are happy as fuck and don't try to leave and they were outdoor cats when I got them. They will only stand under my awning, at best. Just because some people aren't dedicated to providing a healthy, exciting indoor environment for their cats doesn't mean all cats are miserable inside. More stale excuses to be lazy and negligent at your cats expense.
hilarious and ironic how melodramatic you're being in order to deflect from the fact that you don't let your cats outside which is just about the most abusive
thing you can do.
>My cats are happy as fuck and don't try to leave and they were outdoor cats when I got them. They will only stand under my awning, at best.
don't believe you for a second. If you don't ever lets your pets outdoors then they are naturally going to be timid and cautious about going outdoors.
It’s absolutely a catfag thing because no other animal owners froth at the mouth at the idea of not letting their animal roam
It’s like those weird fucking dogfags that get way too emotionally attached to their dogs balls
too fucking true in my experience as well. my brother wouldn't let my mother desex her small dog, he still pisses all over everything/anything left within his reach, to the point where the floating wood floors in her house had to be removed because of water/piss damage. house reeks, furniture ruined. all because of some imaginary masculinity the owner enforces on a helpless animal. weirdest flex ever and drives me insane.
reminds me of fathers of sons re: the circumcision thing, like "nah cut his dick, he's my boy he's gotta be like me. I'm his dad. A dad. he's my BOY". men are insane.
NTA anon but youre a fucking idiot. How is listing the things that can and often do go wrong when you let you cat outside "melodramatic", but calling someone abusive
foe not taking these tisks isn't? Every authority on domesricated cats is in agreement that cats absolutely don't need to roam outside to have a high quality of life and it is a horrible idea to let them out. Please just Google it and you will see that every fucking resource will tell you this.
This is another reason I can't stand people who let them outside, it outs you as having never looked into how to actually properly care for a cat. You're just making these decisions that can easily end with your cat dying and calling those who don't "abusive
" when this is just cat care 101. Hell, some shelters even ask you if you plan on letting a cat outside and won't let you adopt if you do. But I guess those shelters just want you to abuse your cats, right?
Explain how this statement is inaccurate? These are the risks of letting a cat outdoors and if you decide to let your cat out, you are indeed taking them. Ironic hiw you call people who keep their cats inside abusive
, but refuse to accept or acknowledge the downsides of outdoor cats.
A hawk tried to carry my dog away right in front of my eyes in my suburban backyard and my aunt who lives rurally caught a mountain lion climbing into her yard and giving her dog the "I'm about to kill you" stare. Predators WILL come into your yard. That's one of the reasons why when cats disappear they haven't ran away–if they don't come back very soon, they're not lost; they got killed.
Just saw some idiot on Youtube the other day "avenge" his outdoor cat that got killed by a coyote by going and killing the coyote, as if it wasn't his fault for having an outdoor cat in obvious coyote territory.
our local shelter has most cats listed as 'requires outdoor access'. If you don't have a garden to let the cat use they won;t let you adopt.
it's common sense either way. My cat has access to a back garden that is part of a long line of back gardens, he also likes to come to the front garden but he won't go past the gate. so although we live on a very busy road in London he's made it to 14. with a cat with a less cautious character or with a different garden setup I would think again re fences, etc. but when we had to keep him indoors cos he had a pulled muscle and the vet didn't want him climbing outside, we locked the catflap, he basically destroyed it, destroyed every barrier we put up - he was just not going to be kept indoors. for him, it would have been cruel. for other cats, they can be happy inside.
tl:dr it depends on both your cat's character and the safety of your own particular area, there is no absolute right or wrong
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It's priceless that you retards have convinced yourselves that anything other than keeping your cat cooped up is tantamount to abuse because you can what? …make a list of the possible misfortunes it could come by, which can obviously be endless.
Meanwhile, you, the actual abuser of an animal, live and eat in the same space as the box it shits in, where you allow it to walk its fecal matter up and down your kitchen counter tops and bedding while it goes insane. >>410712>So you would rather live 90 years completely miserable in prison than 50 years free?
this.>>412522>No one uses cats for pest control anymore
so disconnected from reality, but then again so is anyone who thinks it's normal to treat a cat like a goldfish.
Why don’t you guys just create spaces for your cats in your gardens so that they’re still safe. I don’t understand, are you guys taking ‘indoor’ cat literally as never ever being allowed outside? Every time I hear the term indoor cat used it has meant that they are not allowed to roam outside of the property.
As for pest control cats don’t differentiate between common vermin and endangered species.
>>412530>Meanwhile, you, the actual abuser of an animal, live and eat in the same space as the box it shits in, where you allow it to walk its fecal matter up and down your kitchen counter tops and bedding while it goes insane.
Ah, so you ignore all the reasons not to let your cat outside because you think living with a cat is gross. Cool. Thanks for confirming what several anons have said about the motivations of outdoor cat people often being incredibly selfish.>>412539
Yeah, this anon calling it abusive
not to let your cat outside is so delusional I question if she's trolling.
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>>412416>If you live in a place where it would be cruel to let your cat outdoors then you're a complete shitstain for having a cat at all.
Yes, it would've totally been better for my cat to stay in a fucking cage at the shelter. I live in a country where people literally put cats in cages when they're not at home
, you'll not make me feel guilty about not letting my cat enjoy the greatness of the concrete jungle.
Pic related, it's the kind of cage my cat was in at the shelter. No place to hide, lots of noises and smells around her. We thought she was terribly shy at first because she was just so scared. She's a cuddle ball now.
How funny I had to sign an agreement that I would let them outside.
Would you look at that, different opinions…. Give back the cat, OP you bitch!
Are you kidding? You assume my vet is lying but >>412799
isn't because it just happens to be convenient for your point of view? You just lost all credibility….
Besides most docters here aren't like corrupted American docters. When the operation on my rat failed (she was already 2.5 years wich is very old for a rat) she refused to accept my payment but yeah, she's in it for the money lol.
mate I don't put my cat in a cage, that's what she was in when I got her. My cat runs around everywhere inside our house.>>412801
I too had to sign a paper saying that I won't let my cat outside. It's a matter of opinion and life circumstances.
Can we rename this thread?
>>412831>>412831> It's a matter of opinion and life circumstances.
I do agree with this.
My cats are allowed outside because our environment is not dangerous to them (few cars, no other predators) but my friend who lives in an apartment in the city keeps his cat inside wich is logical to me.
This. My friend has a 20 year old farm cat fit as a fiddle. My other friend has a young cat that's an apartment cat in the city doesn't go out. My cat that lived until 16 was a stray that still wanted access to outdoors, as she aged she was more reluctant to go out. She got cancer tho and looking into it there were a lot of dangers lurking in the kitchen for my cat too. My mum and I also weren't educated about certain cleaning products being carcinogenic which I feel guilty about now, like my mum would clean up hair balls with detol and my cat would always inspect it afterwards etc.
OP sounds like a dick and knowingly took someones pet that was conditioned well enough for her to take on a low maintenance pet since it has a good temperament. I'm sure the cats previous owners misses it since they're actively trying to get their cat back. Yea you probably have taught them the lesson to be more careful since some cunt has stolen her pet
>>412831>It's a matter of opinion and life circumstances.
Agreed. Saying that all cats must be kept indoors is insane without understanding the conditions of where they live.
I live in the countryside and here it's normal for cats to be outdoors. There's a lot of semi feral cats that are kept on farms to hunt mice and rats. Terriers are also used for the same purpose. There's no natural predators here and very little traffic so it's safe.
It should be up to the owner to make the correct choice. While there's always going to be a few that are irresponsible, the majority of cat owners love their pets and will do what's right for them.
It is insane, you retard. Nevermind the obvious worry about disease or harm from humans or animals, but even if you have enough space, in the US, animal control kills countless outdoor cats every year. 70% of pets, once handed over to animal control, end up being euthanized, regardless of whether or not they have owners, regardless of whether or not their owners can be reached. Their microchips VERY infrequently are even scanned. People call animal control because outdoor cats are "nuisances" and your "outdoor cat" ends up in AC and they legally own your cat if it's not picked up by the end of the holding period, which is only a few days. You no longer own your cat and have no ability to save it, dumbfuck.
Serious dangers don't just go away because you want to pretend they don't exist because you're fucking lazy.
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I'm sorry you live in a feline-orwellian themed dystopia where trucks patrol the streets looking to kill cats
>>413012>People call animal control because outdoor cats are "nuisances" and your "outdoor cat" ends up in AC
Wtf is all of America like this or do you just live in a specific shithole locale
Do you people just not have catflaps at all?
I live in an expensive area. People literally are calling animal control here over cat prints left on their cabin cruisers. Most of America is like this. Idk why you guys are acting though, like cats aren't mistreated by people in other countries. Cats are seen as pests. Australia is dumping loads of poisoned sausages in an attempt to kill 2 million "feral" cats that they say are otherwise shot or poisoned by civilians that say they're pests. The problem with "outdoor" cats is that stupid people and poisoned sausage don't discriminate and any cat that is unaccounted for can end up a victim
of "pest" removal or extermination intended for "feral" cats, but I commonly see strays considered feral, which is sad, too.
>>413050>Cabin cruisers are like mini yachts for upper middle class people
whoops sorry i didnt know that lol
im glad i lived in a rural area where most people had outdoor cats when i had one. although we did kind of need them because there were so many giant rats and the cats kept their population down.
>>413038>Idk why you guys are acting though, like cats aren't mistreated by people in other countries.
Sorry you live in such a shithole country that you cant imagine it otherwise.
Nope, cats aren't mistreated here. Everyone knows most cats running around are someone's pet especially the non-shy ones. People allow their children to play with random cats on the street and explain to them why they can't just take the cat home. There are even people without cats who put food outside. Most people in my country generally love cats and it's the go-to pet for most.
Stray cats are being picked off the streets by the shelters and taken care of (vaccinated, sterilised).
Even for feral cats there's a future. People with bigger land or farms usually get some feral cats to catch mice and so that they still have a home. They never come inside or let themselves be petted but at least they have a place to eat and sleep.
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6 days arguing over a fucking cat
There was an outdoor cat that hung around my backyard for almost two years, and I knew the owner and would message her with updates if anything would happen. He was the sweetest cat but he had a sinus issue and left snot all over my patio, he would attack my elderly dog when we would take him out, and he would consistently come back with bad scratches from fights or would even be limping. Every time I would message the owner she would say "I'll look into it" or when I'd tell her about my dog getting hurt "My cat would never attack another dog, he gets along great with my dogs!!" And nothing would ever change, eventually he got skinnier and skinnier and died to feline aids.
I'm not saying that it is right to take someone's outdoor cat, but I can very much understand why OP would. Watching this poor guy waste away right in front of me and not being able to do anything about it was devastating.
That makes me so mad, it's just basic pet facts that an animal might get a long with another animal they cohabitate with, but not unfamiliar ones. The fact they won't accept that it's hurting your dog is so shitty of them. That's the other thing that's annoying about outdoor cats, it's not just about the owner and their cat, but it's often a nuisence to everyone else. I was attacked by an outdoor cat when I was little and tried to pet it. It was definitely someone's pet and not a stray because it had a collar. It didn't even try to walk away, just immediately scratched the shit out of my arm when I reached for it.
My parents have a neighbor whose cat would come into our yard all the time and fuck up their plants. The owners of the cat personally witnessed my parents' two large dogs almost kill it one day and my parents straight up told them that these dogs see a cat as no different from raccoons, skunks or any other unknown creature that wanders into the yard and they will attack. The owners basically told my parents to control their animals better.
Like no bitch, that's not how it works. They don't go after cats unless they wander onto the property, which is basically where a dog owner's responsibility ends. Now that you're aware your next door neighbor's dogs will tear your cat to shreds if it goes in their yard, it's on you if it happens.
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