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all 'natural' beauty
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have we spoken about this one before? tbh she pisses me off because literally her entire career is about body posi and "normal girls" and "no photoshop" etc etc after getting her ass injected to high heaven. i'd feel 'confident' with no photoshop after thousands in body surgery too
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Damn, I always thought it was natural since she also has big legs and in certain pics it looks believable.
But the pic you posted…that looks mega fake.
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it looks terrible. idk if she keeps getting it topped up or idk
>>375764>people are not born with insecurities
True, other people commenting on your physical flaws cause the insecurities.
I don't see why the option of not having people comment on your flaws should only be reserved for people born
with attractive features. Why is a person born
with good features more deserving of not having others' comments cause insecurities than someone who got those features via surgery?
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portia de rossi looks like an entirely different person. when I saw her on the reboot of arrested development my jaw dropped. she looks very strange now. not sure if she denies it or not
She can so easily afford therapy and she just keeps going on and on allowing the dysmorphia to take over. Felt sorry for her for about a minute after reading her book but damn, woman. Her problems are fixable.
Give it a few years and she’ll be back down to 80 pounds with a fourth face.
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Will this fucking epidemic of baboon ass lip fillers ever cease
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They’re Swedish. Girl in mid has /snow potential, drug addict who named her son Lucifer and has “misunderstood” in French tattooed on her forehead. Has live-streamed her butt (or tits? Idk) implants on Instagram. Saged for slight OT
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michael jackson is a classic, it's incredible to me that he tried to claim his hideous transformation was all due to a skin condition
janet is a really unfortunate case to me, i always thought her little cocaine nose looked horrific and she could have been so, so pretty if she hadn't mutilated it. it's always been awful and just gotten worse
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Michael, Janet, and La Toya all got botched noses. La Toya's I find especially horrific. It's a shame how they've influenced each other like that.
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la toya was really pretty. what a shame. but they all got considerably lighter, it seems.
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it has to be bleach. maybe mj's skin just didn't take the bleach as well as the other girls or something.
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He def bleached later, or did something-
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"Plastic surgery? Oh no honey, its jApAnEsE pOtAtOeS that did this to my face"
What's wrong with nordic natural beauty (or any other type of natural beauty)? Why are all these girls wanting to look ethnic? Gee, is sad how bad these women fall for the flavor of the month body part.
I'm wondering what's going to happen when all this stuff on them goes out of style.
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The Kim Kardashian effect?? Or The Bogdanoff effect.
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for fuck's sake
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this isn't even denied but it makes me wince imagining what these fillers will look like in a few years. they look painful as is
imo there is nothing worse than this. giant lips instantly ruin a face
I will never understand this shit
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beyonce stans and their plastic surgery denial never ceases to amaze me
they're literally on michael jackson levels of denial
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i mean…yes? its literally the same kind of mentality that mj and kpop fans have when its beyond obvious beyonce has had a ton of stuff done, but because she takes "natural" photos for instagram with a ton of filters and obvious photoshop, her fans genuinely will claim shes had nothing done even though she looks like a completely different person
It could just be different lighting, given that the darker photos are in sunlight but the lighter photos are flash photography. Plus going out in the sun more still makes a difference. >>380653>>377272
I understand the pressure for these women to supress ageing but I don't understand why they change their features so much that they go from having a recognisable look to being some bland generic face. Their face is part of their brand and yet if they don't botch it they just end up… forgettable. Especially Renee Zellweger in the OP.
You guys keep saying mj fans deny it but…I've never heard of this like ever? Like it's well known that after that thing blew up in his face while going the Pepsi commerical he got addicted to plastic surgery and looked really scary before he died like I've never seen a mass amount of people say otherwise. He suffered from anorexia and then there's videos of his performing on YouTube too where you can see his vitiligo and how they tried to hide it with his clothes but it'll flash from time to time.
But he's never not been an example of what plastic surgery addiction can make a person look like ever since I could remember
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Whenever I see Pixee's Insta posts I feel bad for 5 seconds before I don't feel bad for her. She basically got every kind of plastic surgery procedure imaginable done and she kept going and going like her life didn't matter. When she went on Botched the doctors thought she came to see them because of the loss of feeling in her chin when she was actually she went there for more plastic surgery. The docs were surprised that she didn't care about the nerve damage from the jaw shave. After appearing on the show she went to the Middle east again to get more work done and this time she wasn't as lucky. Something went wrong (negligence on the doctor's part) and she slipped into a coma, now Pixee is brain damaged. The second she woke up her manager flew her back to the US to milk her mentally ill brain damaged ass some more. Pixee's family caught wind of this and finally brought her back to Sweden after trying for a few months, she now spends her days at home in bed, her parents got her a puppy to keep her company and she doesn't post selfies or glamour shots anymore.
Having been through BDD myself, I feel terrible for the people who have it. It's an awful mental condition that makes your life impossible and many therapists can't treat it for shit. I imagine it's possibly even worse for people who actually have money for plastic surgery, because they're more likely to not do their research properly in the heat of the moment and end up at the mercy of shit surgeons only interested in milking as much money as they can from them, encouraging them to get more and more PS.
It's sad that nobody could help this woman.
I heard she has memory loss alongside brain damage. Good for her that she has a loving family. That disgusting manager should be ashamed.
>To add to this she's probably going to go blind in a few years from her eye implants
How do you know that? I know eye implant surgery is dangerous but Pixee seemed to be okay after everything healed properly. Or can eye implants suddenly cause inflammation at any time? I am just asking.
She looks the same. She just got older. Don’t get this meme.
Yes many women who had plastic surgery deny it but there’s also an obnoxious group of people inventing deadly procedures that just are not possible. Had this thread been made in 2007 and was this a youtube video OP probs would point out she even changed her eye colour, lmao!
In order to not develop glaucoma you need to use novocaine drops every few hours a day, it’s a miserable existence because you can’t see the sun or any light filled places without pain.
Optometrist appointments are necessary because of the damage that was made to the cornea.
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OP pic is from 2014. Here she is at the Oscars last month.
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I wanna get eyebag injections then I see this
can you achieve upper blepharoplasty-esque results with botox? Because the op pic looks like she had more room created around her eyes, which dragged her brows down.
I've wanted an upper blepharoplasty for years but my brows are similarly low on my forehead and I've read about this being a possibilty and that someone in that situation would also need a browlift.
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I hate Brie Larson's new look she looks so different now
Male sexual preference has gone off the rails:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus
There are species of beetle where the males prefer to mate with discarded beer bottles than females, because the beer bottles happen to have exaggerated versions of traits beetles find attractive. We're seeing the same thing today when it comes to beauty standards. Women are supposed to be perfectly made up with exaggerated eyes and lips, unhealthily thin waist but huge ass and thighs (can only be achieved with surgery for 99% of women), and down for all kinds of messed up sexual acts men have been programmed into liking by porn overstimulation.
Why aren't women affected by this? Is it because we're "less visual?" Or because we can appreciate a broad spectrum of things?
God men are such fucking retards in some aspects. Things like this remind me to never even consider involving myself with them
I think there is just something fundamentally wrong with men's brains.
Like how whenever you see someone with an absolutely broken sexuality, some insane fetish that defies all sanity, it's 99.9% of the time a man. It's men who are getting off to clowns popping giant balloons or cartoon pony dickgirls or people shitting into cakes and then feeding it to their pets. Women usually just don't go wrong to such an extent.
>>389104>>389117>>389130>>389021>There are species of beetle where the males prefer to mate with discarded beer bottles than females, because the beer bottles happen to have exaggerated versions of traits beetles find attractive.
This got me curious so I searched and found this on the subject:https://www.livescience.com/16331-discoverers-beetle-beer-bottle-sex.html
It's quite interesting:>I study sex differences theory, Darwinian sexual selection, and one of the clear glaring patterns about animals is that there are a number of examples of males making mating errors. Females never — I've never heard an example of a female making an error. So here's a male making a clear mating error and the theory behind it is that sperm's cheap. Males can afford to, once in a while, you know, basically make a mistake. Females no, because reproduction is much more expensive for females.
>DR: These beetles were being dragged off the bottles by predatory ants that were on the ground. And so some of the more attractive bottles had bits and pieces of many beetles on the ground.
> LLM: Does this beer bottle attraction pose a real problem for the beetles?>DG: So at least one conservation biology textbook has referred to our research as a classic case of an "evolutionary trap," in the sense that the male beetles have evolved over millions of years to prefer the largest brown female they can find, because bigger females have more eggs. And along come humans, chucking beer bottles out, and this stimulus has completely disrupted their [mating behavior].
Female animals might not make mating mistakes like males, but they do fall victim
to “evolutionary traps” when it comes to caregiving. This is because of supernormal stimuli as stated in:https://www.ias.ac.in/article/fulltext/reso/023/08/0853-0860>supernormal stimuli are exaggerated versions of stimuli to which animals respond more intensely than to normal stimuli.
Female birds of many different species have been observed to prefer fake eggs that are larger and more colorful than the real eggs they laid. It’s just sort of a fault in evolution that is becoming more common due to human interference.
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Why is it that when an asian gets surgery to change their race no one cares but when a white person (the brazilian guy for example) gets surgery to change their race, everyone gets all pissed and cry cultural appropriation?
This Japanese dude wanted to look white he got eyelid surgery, a nose implant and bone implant on his forehead to make his the eye sockets appear deeper. Thoughts?
People that defend it are in denial about this shit or are severely visually retarded, as in they can't process how these traits they get through PS are caucasian features.
Reminds me of artwork that is ripped off but unless you do one of those shitty 50% opacity overlays and it matches exactly, people will call it not a copy.
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Koreans are pretty talented at making their people look naturally beautiful. It's sad when you think about all the work they had to get done at such a young age for a shot at fame. These two had their whole faces worked on as teenagers and their parents were totally fine with it
Not denying surgery, I just meant that the after pic is shopped to death. Can you find a more candid pic to compare?
Also >look naturally beautiful>naturally
In what world? I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone look like that naturally.
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LMAO this reminds me of this chick, who was somewhat popular (infamous) in my country many years ago.
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What happened to Xiahn Nishi? He was everywhere not too long ago
so males are retarded caveman sexual deviants and females just really want to care for things
god i hate men. i needed this reminder to avoid them forever
wait a minute
WAIT A FUCKING DAMN MINUTE
I know the paper doesn't talk about this but it makes me wonder if female animals can experience 'cuteness' the way humans experience cuteness towards their babies (and other baby animals).
like most threads on /w/, nobody gives a shit. stick to PULL
thats literally 2 out of the probably several hundred cows that have been featured on this site lmao
theyre not exactly all over the site
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Uh huh. Are you mad at how much Chris Evans has changed from that highly stylized comic book movie too? Imagine putting a picture of Lucas Lee next to a regular pic of Chris Evans and whining about how different they look in a Plastic Surgery thread lmao
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I find it hilarious these midlife crisis wt slags pump so much shit into their lips it accumulates into a mustache.
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Women's sexuality is actually less plastic than men's. Research says that women generally cannot be conditioned by orgasms to the same extent as men.
Some hypothesize that it also has to do with male sexuality being more reliant on associative learning. Men are also universally more entitled and expect their fantasies to become reality right this moment.
Another hypothesis is that women simply don't have the social or economic power to pursue their own version of supernormal stimuli or enforce men's compliance with unrealistic standards. To put it simply, we aren't rich enough so we settle for a beer bellied dad bod instead of demanding that men look like twinks from Final Fantasy. Of course we rationalize it by forcing ourselves to focus on personality rather than looks.
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>we aren't rich enough
Might be true, although age gap sugar mama relationships don't seem as common among rich/famous women as they are with their male equivalents.
I think we just search for partnership more than males do (generally, always exceptions of course). And this is coming from a high-sex-drive bitch, but even as a billionaire I'd rather a friendly husband who enjoys my company to a model. He'd have to meet some bare minimums of course, but nothing obscene and I'd never trade him out.
You're probably also correct that orgasms condition us less sexually (again, in general). The average normie male has an interest in weird, uncanny proportions but even a high libido woman probably won't train herself to only get off to MONSTER MUSCLES and GIANT COCK or something. I like petit men but haven't memed myself into micro fetishism.
That said, I recall seeing a post about supernormal stimulus somewhere else on here in regards to women and got me thinking more about this issue and that we're into it in a different way. The anecdote was about female birds seeking the BIGGEST EGG, and I thought that could mirror how human women like to mother animals, or the select few who get into reborn baby dolls, or who get obsessed with collecting kawaii shit. Dog and cat moms are a cultural phenomenon whether we want to admit it or not. Animals are like eternal babies (helpless, rely on you for food, not cognitively developed, etc.). Furbabies.
Funny how women get picked on for that but men are okay masturbating themselves into only liking beach ball tiddies and sausage lips. Really makes you think!!!
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Another thing about supernatural stimuli in a sexual context is that men's exaggerated ideal is hyperfeminine, with all female sexual characteristics being taken to their extreme.
Women too have their completely unrealistic (as in no real life man looks like that barring extreme surgery) ideal for men. But instead the masculine characteristics are extremely minimized, leaving only those that allow us to identify the subject as male. They have no body hair, no facial hair, no male pattern hairline, no facial virilization, no enormous dicks or enormous muscles. Literally every character that was designed to appeal to women is like this. Also, boy bands etc. It seems that all women enjoy this up until a certain age, then just capitulate to the idea that it doesn't exist.
It's like masculinity isn't naturally attractive to straight women or something.
I don't really agree with this theory (I know plenty of women who like manly hairy men, it seems more like it's just fallen out of fashion in the same way that Reubenesque women were once sexually popular) but you could argue that these youthful characteristics are appealing on a man because of how sperm quality degrades with the age of a man. A younger man will be more sexually and physically verile, possibly less compromised with disease and has longer lifespan to support your offspring.
All of the gross arguments that men use for why they're only attracted to neotenous blow up dolls could be used by women too, but men have managed to construct a system that makes their balding yet hairy asses exempt from the same logic through financial and social convention.
I've been called a lesbian for saying this, but women just look better than men. It's the truth. There are women who do like masculine men, but I think that's because women have more varied tastes in general (and tbh, I feel like those types are far, far more of a minority than men like to tell themselves, lmao).
Femininity has always been more aesthetically pleasing than masculinity.
Men with feminine features will always look better than men with masculine features.
The only ones who will honestly, truly disagree with this at its core are most likely ugly, neanderthal-looking, wrinkly old men trying to cope.
This is such a chaotic analysis that it must have been written by a lesbian.
The picture is just anime
fied (hence unrealistic) young man. Basically women like glamourous neoteny but will always choose man's personality or usefullness over looks.
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yes they do. most mammals have the same sort of "babyish" features that human babies do (large eyes, small face, possibly round head), and it makes their mothers feel extra maternal instinct.
this is only true in east asian countries lmao, the majority of western women want a strong stereotypically masculine man, not some pretty boy.
i'm also bi and i hate feminine males, they're a complete turnoff
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>>410139>this is only true in east asian countries
Uh..no? Boybands exist in America, boy bands existed in America first before kpop. Hello? The Beatles? The Rolling Stones? The Jackson 5? Hanson? The Backsteet Boys? NSYNC? One Direction? Justin Bieber? I can list a million more. Leo Dicaprio and River Phoenix were sex symbols for tons of teenaged women, even Fabio, while muscular, was hardly extremely masculine with his long flowing hair and gentle face.
Women in America like their soft, flower boys too, just because it isn't kpop doesn't mean we all liked rugged masculine men
you literally said that "every male character marketed to women is feminized" and that just isn't true
also while boybands were huge they aren't anymore aside from kpop, and were more geared toward prepubescent/teen girls, not adult women
don't be dense to die on this dumb hill
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Not really. I do have bi leanings (maybe I just favor androgyny because it's like a perfect 50/50 split between male and female?), but it's not exactly "gay" to notice that pic related is more pleasing to the eye than >>410145
>>410185>that guy is ugly
nta and I'm not attracted to him in the least, but he does look aesthetically pleasing and I can see why women would find him pretty.
"Ugly" feels like you're exaggerating.
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I'm not one to cape for males, even handsome ones, but that just doesn't sound realistic.
It's okay if you like beefcakes, but it's not the male standard of beauty. It being considered as such is just men's way of trying to circumvent that they, just like women, lose their beauty as their youth fades. At least women take care of their skin and are just naturally more beautiful, though, lmao.
Pic related is a particularly good example, if you compare him to how he looks nowadays.
Youthful people often look more androgynous and feminine
reply was for other anon
males dont have standards, they consider everything thats ugly and easly attainable as masculine
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you… realize there's billions of humans on this planet and not everyone would prefer your pic over hugh jackman
or either of them
for instance, the arab standard of male attractiveness is this. women like a man with a full beard to accentuate his masculinity. arabic men don't manscape to attract women. again. stop being dense. this is a very stupid hill to die on.
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>>410268>When women go for unrealistic/fantasy crushes, they simply look as unmale as possible
you didn't even try
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Uh… His face really isn't very feminine.
I'm saying that when wen resort to fantasy, their fantasy men are not ultramanly. When men resort to fantasy, their fantasy women ARE hyperfeminine. Literally 0 women in the world like bald synthol bodybuilders (or whatever the masculine equivalent of a silicone bimbo would be). They might settle for one, but it's not their fantasy ideal.
What is there to understand lmao
How the fuck is he unrealistic lmfao literally everything on him is pretty average/achievable
Also he's a superhero designed for men to project on, try again
I'm sorry anon, "wen" cracked me up.
The two genders: Men and Wen.
Are you the same "bi" woman that is spouting that bullshit everywhere or are all bisexual women on this site closeted lesbians?
Because it's always a bisexual post, always.
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Pony talks about finally getting eyelid surgery when it's pretty clear that her eyelid was the result of a botched job from years ago. Pony is talented and likable but why does she have to play this facade of being all natural like resident snowflake, Michelle Phan when it's pretty clear that she's plastic from head to toe? Influencers and celebs don't have to disclose their plastic surgeries but for the love of god just don't pretend and claim you're all natural and make vids and shit telling ppl to love themselves
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She looked like a different person before she became Pony (was known as ulzzang Park Hye Min). She had had a good amount of surgery to make her look like she does now.
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Did she chop half of her nose off?
Pony's nose job looks so bad. Her I FINALLY GOT EYELID SURGERY vid totally changed my view of her. I hate it whenever YouTubers try to come off as relatable
with these vids when they're really not.
There's a bit of swelling in the morning from the fluids leveling out while lying down for 8 hours. Think of how your feet swell in the evening if you've been standing all day.
Koreans obsess over it bc they're afraid of having large faces.