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No. 2631951
Discuss the current psyop regarding ugly and old men being shilled as attractive.
This thread is also for talking about topics like beauty double standards in media, ugly fictional and IRL men shilled as attractive, science about male aging and unattractiveness, etc.
>do not try to defend ugly men ITT>report/ignore racebait>this thread is specifically for what moids look like; extended discussions of moid behavior, crimes, sexuality, etc. are better suited to the manhate thread.Previous:
>>2553547>>2530312>>2489483>>2458998 No. 2631954
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Was going to post the original version of this meme, decided against it
No. 2631966
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The other malaysian underwater basket-weaving forum discusses twink-death and hitting the wall
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No. 2631976
Stacy mindset. I want to see confusion, hatred and annoyance in people eyes for bagging a baddie.
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Final screencap for today
No. 2631997
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>>2631989>gayest generation in historywhat are they talking about, their fathers were dressing up like this. I wish zoomies were faggy too, instead they are all insecure faggots who start balding at 20
No. 2632455
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It kills me every day that when my mum was growing up she was considered an ugly moid lover for having a crush on Agent Mulder back when he looked like this. This what the bar used to be
No. 2632457
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>>2632455This is him now and the X Files fandom are FAWNING over him as he is NOW. He isn't even that far off Pedro Pascal jesus christ what happened to out standards
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>>2632459Nonna ìf this was the ugly man psyop then I'm killing myself. This 90s uggofag is legitimately a 10 out of 10 compared to any "handsome" actor we have now
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I never liked this ship for obvious reasons.
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was looking at pictures of six sex (her music is my guilty pleasure) and i just threw up in my mouth a little
No. 2633571
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>>2633344Was it that hard to make him cute
No. 2633574
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>>2633571He even gets fat and bald in his doom future. This means that despite being a meta human, he still has the balding genes. Fucking L.
No. 2633890
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>>2633500Unironically, yes.
>>2633616This couldn't be further from the truth. C'mon, anon, do your research ffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacock_revolution No. 2634399
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>>2634379I actually do hate the way he looks, maybe because I'm slavic and he has such a middle aged slavic man look in this specific way I hate, but at least objectively speaking he wasn't deformed, he had hair, he was clean-shaven and fit and had decent skin. Now even the moids on TV people agree are attractive will have terrible skin and hair/facial hair, terribly bodies, or these very asymmetrical or FAS or otherwise deformed looking faces. I know he's mentioned in this thread a lot but I will never get over how fucking weird I think it is that Jacob Elordi is shilled as attractive, when he has such an asymmetrical borderline retarded neanderthal look with the tiny sloth eyes.
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>>2634399He's 28?! Is the simulation finally starting to crumble? What the fuck
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>>2634401Kekkk I tried to find a fairly flattering photo of him to be objective but I saw that one on google images and was tempted to post it. This is supposed to be the youth heartthrob of the 2020s and it's insane. When I was growing up and thought I might be lesbian (I'm bi but my attraction to women hit first) I got one of those fold-out posters of hot guys in a teen magazine someone gave me of Ryan Philippe which my mom tried to encourage me to put up somewhere, and I kept looking at it wondering what about him is supposed to be attractive. Now I would kill for TV moids to look like that poster of Ryan Philippe that I thought was kind of ugly at the time kek. Picrel is not the exact image but something similar.
No. 2634440
>>2633533Absolute kek
nonnie, made my day.
No. 2635645
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Not sure if this counts but seeing this story made me think of this thread and for those of you who dont know-the old bearded guy slim thug is crashing out over megan thee stallion choosing a guy whos not only much closer to her age but also a lot richer than both of them.
This guy really thought megan wanted him like that and got upset that she brought her bf a 300k watch. I feel this plays into the UMP because way too many old crusty men think women decades younger than them want them over younger and even richer men its wild. (and before I get crap im not saying her bf is hot or anything I just love to see stupid ugly old men get upset when young women give them a reality check).
No. 2635658
>>2633531Altgirls and arthoes are keeping the standards for men in the gutter. Every moid in those movements is a dysgenic psychotic
abusive skinnyfat piece of human garbage. At least Stacies and normie Becky type women usually date men who are their looksmatch or slightly above. It’s always the ‘weird girls’ who think they’re being ultra subversive and quirky by dating a 70 year old man or obese dickwad or a SocialRepose footface looking motherfucker.
No. 2635672
>>2635645Good for her! No doubt this will make scrotes seethe.
It’s hilarious to me that men believe they are genuinely more attractive as they get old and bald and crusty.
The vast majority of women who date older men are only in it for the bag. The vast majority of normal people date within their own age range.
Tbh I only see bpdchans chasing after old men. I think it’s partly because they see older men as physically weaker and non-threatening, far more desperate, they have lower physical standards as long as the girl is younger (think Shayna and her boomer dates) and are more likely to put up with her BPD drama and maybe even tolerate getting cucked.
I only know one woman irl who is dating a much older man, and it’s partly because she has a horrible home life, and partly because her last bf cheated on her and she wanted a man with much fewer options so she can feel like she has the upper hand in the relationship.
No. 2635696
>>2635688I’m not sure and I do think they’re exaggerating but I remember going on Christian Mingle and sure enough there were so many divorced Mormon single moms lol.
I think the reality is that most attractive women don’t really even bother using dating apps and tend to meet men irl or through school/work or social media. Dating apps are probably just more convenient for women who are busy all the time with responsibilities like children and don’t have time to play around in the getting to know each other stage,
so maybe they’re overrepresented.
No. 2635930
>>2634399he has the same slightly downy eyes as sydney sweeney, so does barry keoghan. The media are pushing this look hard atm for some reason.
>>2635688I think lot of women who don't want kids by 30 have quit dating, because there's not much point in having a moid unless you want him to be a father, so you hit about 25 and you're still Undecided then you're stuck with the single mothers.
No. 2636074
>>2635930Hmm with most of the women I know they really ramped up their attempts to date around age 28-29 after focusing more on school and career before that, and most women I know who have kids had them around their mid thirties, 30 at the earliest. So I would expect there to be plenty of women aged around 27-33 on the apps if women use the apps at all; of course like that other anon said most well adjusted women don't really find partners on the apps. But maybe depending where you live and who you know it's common to have kids earlier.
Good point about the downy eyes, Timothee Chalamet has them too. At least he's a decent actor though, Jacob Elordi isn't even that.
No. 2636092
>>2635704It's quite fascinating how they act like those types of women are always doomed to be single for the rest of their lives and they are so stooped in their delusional dream world that they don't notice most of those women never have issues attracting men or even getting married. The reaction to the tea app was nothing but pure copium and it's not much different from how some men were crying about facebook groups dedicated to warning other women about shitty men. In both cases, it seems as if men were whining about women having a place to expose shitty men and teaching each other how to avoid them, but men also like to bully women for getting into
abusive relationships, but it's obvious that such men either condone abuse or are
abusive themselves. like i said, just nothing but copium and projection since the male equivalent to the tea app would just be the fappening.
No. 2636093
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Face is nothing special but damn…i wish more men practiced self discipline and exercise…that’s a fantastic body to have at 50. Just shows most older men are lazy pigs.
No. 2636108
>>2636093can't help but still get pissed off at the fact that a man can stay in a very demanding field like ballet event at 50 whereas the women are forced to retire much earlier (I think it's a similar issue as with ice skating where the women are expected to be teeny tiny and light and the men are allowed to be more bulky and eventually the lack of muscle has more and more dire consequences on the body but it's pure conjecture).
Also that suit makes him look so stupid that it kind of negates the muscles he has.
No. 2636119
>>2636108There is an aesthetic component but the main reason a lot of female ballerinas retire early is doing pointe. Some famous ballerinas like Maya Plisetskaya remained active much later, but she often chose ballets that were not en pointe and her later work was very artistic (she had a lot of creative control) but was not actually that physically demanding. Disability and injury is a huge factor in why female ballerinas quit early, also the fact that technical requirements get more and more demanding quite rapidly so many of the younger dancers have just been trained more rigorously and the fact that eating disorders fuck them up while it is healthier for men to stay very lean for long periods of time. There are ballet scenes/companies (like I think the French national ballet) where the required retirement age is like 42 or 43, so not extremely young. But many of these women want to start families and have children, and they can't do that if they have permanent amenorrhea from starving. Moids don't have that issue.
In figure skating the increased technical requirements and anorexia are also a huge factor in why most solo female figure skaters retire very young. In order to do the more demanding jumps and tricks (especially since the judging/grading requirements changed) it's better for the girls to have extremely narrow hips and extremely low, adolescent body fat and low weight, plus a lot of the winners of olympic female figure skating are under a couple Russian coaches who basically torture the girls. Many olympic gold medalists or gold medalist hopefuls in the last decade or two had to retire around their late teens or early 20s because they had shattered hips and other signs of osteoarthritis, not because they were forced out. The technical requirements of the sport have been increasing at a breakneck pace, like in the last few years quads became one of the main reason female solo skaters win, which were pretty much unheard of for women prior to the late 2010s or even later.
No. 2636263
>>2636116My problem with darker men is that they're often hairy af and it reminds me of apes even harder even though all males already have a baseline of being hairy and looking ape-ish.
Slightly unrelated, i heard that asian men have a hard time growing beards and thought oh how perfect it must be to have nice black hair and not growing horrible face hair very well, but then i saw nonnas here mention korean actors hiding their constant beard hair shadows under makeup. Was it a lie that they can't grow it or is it somehow prominent with them, but maybe in other asian countries?
>>2635658>At least Stacies and normie Becky type women usually date men who are their looksmatch or slightly above. No, they don't.
>>2636092>the male equivalent to the tea app would just be the fappening.They apparently had a version of the Tea app for males and it got banned because it was full of revenge pornography.
No. 2636273
>>2636263Dark hair has no correlation with being hairy on the rest of the body, what? East Asian men often have almost no body hair but the hair on their head/faces is black and they have dark eyes. White men tend to be the same level of hairy (or not) regardless of their pigmentation. There are blonde moids who look like furry gorillas and dark haired moids with no back/chest hair and only moderate leg/arm hair. Hair length is also not controlled by pigment.
>how perfect it must be to have nice black hair and not growing horrible face hair very well, but then i saw nonnas here mention korean actors hiding their constant beard hair shadows under makeup.It's true many Asian men can hardly grow a moustache or beard, but you're going to be hard-pressed finding any moid at all who has no face hair whatsoever unless he has some kind of disease. It's a secondary sex characteristic. This is like acting like it's weird that moids have penises or tend to be taller than 5'1. When people say Asian moids can't grow a beard they mean they can't grow a full beard, not that they have zero facial hair whatsoever. You have to be over 18 to post here.
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>>2636074So he does. This clearly means something, but what.
>>2636263in less than a day too
No. 2636297
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>>2636273Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and South Asian men tend to be very hirsute and have dark hair. Sub-Saharan African and Eastern Asian men also have dark hair but tend to have less on their bodies. Nordics and other lighter European ethnicities are highly variable, but rarely as hairy as MENAs. If you live in an area with only or mostly Europeans, there is a rough but real correlation between dark hair and hirsuteness. This is the best map I could find, though the source is hilariously uninformative. The only part that doesn't match my experience is India, they're at least as hairy as Greeks.
No. 2636371
>>2636273>Dark hair has no correlation with being hairy on the rest of the body, what?Nonna was talking about med men, i meant those ones and similar.
>East Asian men often have almost no body hair I really hope it's true, praying.
>It's true many Asian men can hardly grow a moustache or beardThat's exactly what i meant.
>You have to be over 18 to post here.Read better, you assumed things i didn't say. It seems like you got pressed a little for some reason.
>>2636297>If you live in an area with only or mostly Europeans, there is a rough but real correlation between dark hair and hirsuteness. That i didn't know! Interesting! Thank you!
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>Moid tells that he is getting negative attention from women, after he turned himself into a walking thumb
>Other scrotoids in the coment section are telling his that: "Actually, it is because you look so sexy to them, they are afraid of being seduced by you"
Logical gender is going to logic.
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So i already posted a similiar sentiment like this in the previous UMP threads but I'm going to talk about it more.
I think the ugly man psyop has its own subcategories and goes even deeper than what is in the surface. Like for example in hollywood they love casting their old men but can we talk about how all those men they cast ate absolutely ugly and haggard? Like for example in Korea the older male actors still look attractive and have a elegant charm to them meanwhile in Hollywood (and other countrywoods) they all look like bloated toads ready to be skinned for leather.
A old man psyop does exist but even when it comes that they still won't allow attractive older men to be a part of that psyop. It only has to be the most haggard old men.
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>>2636297Most people in the world have dark hair. If you live in a place with a largely mixed Euro population (like North America or even central Europe) the chances the average white man looks like a stereotypical hairy Greek or a stereotypical Swede are pretty low. You will get more dark-haired moids than blondes overall, but many of the blondes will be hairy and many of the brunettes will not be. If it's purely a numbers game you'll still have way more luck finding attractive dark-haired men who aren't excessively hairy since there are usually just way more of them than blondes. It's usually easy to tell at a glance if a moid is going to be ultra hairy anyway, if you're not attracted to that you just avoid them by default.
>>2636371Any moid who is pale will have to hide a beard shadow under makeup to have smooth looking skin, whether he grows a thick beard or not. When people say East Asians can hardly grow a beard, they mean a full beard that covers the whole lower/midface, not that they don't grow any facial hair or that the facial hair is fine and downy like a woman's.
>>2636446He probably looks like shit either way but sometimes I think people just associate fully shaved heads on men with a certain type of person. Having crown balding looks more like oh that's some grandpa while the shaved look combined with non-neat clothing can be associated with seedier types of men. I don't even think it's about how attractive he is.
>>2636492These photos are heavily filtered and none of them really look like that. All three of those moids are kinda ugly although yes they look better/less unkempt than Pedo Pascal and Walton Goggins types since at least they have hair, are fully shaved, and have somewhat better skin (Korean shows also overuse the blur filter so everyone's skin looks better). That being said early 40s is an age where a lot of men can still look relatively non-walled if they're genetically lucky and take good care of themselves, but a lot of the actors shilled in Hollywood are 50+ or 60+. Most moids look absolutely terrible at those ages, including the 50+ moids in kdrama. For example, picrel is a kdrama lead from last year who's in his 50s (not a romantic drama).
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>>2636818Counterexample, here's Johnny Depp in his early 40s. Even Hollywood used to have a somewhat higher standard for 40-something year old moids in movies.
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39 thousand likes.
No. 2637548
>>2637530There was zero need to gender swap him either. They just did that shit for the same reason why mystique was naked in the films despite always being fully clothed in the comics. also
>>2637478Other way around. In fact, i'd honestly prefer Chris Evans reprise his role as Johnny storm, they understood the assignment in these movies with his casting and even today he is hotter than that overaged twink. I'll probably still see the movie because i love the fantastic four, but the cast just isn't doing it for me visually.
>>2637488The worst part is that everyone around them will insist they are lesbian for not finding ugly men hot, they aren't coming to that conclusion on their own. It's awful.
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This is super niche but I hate Wayne Tuggle on Instagram. He wants to be Jacob Khan (a more famous/cuter/funnier celebrity stylist) so badly but Wayne is just ugly and creepy. He plays up his southern accent and wears those stupid sunglasses like he’s Jim Jones or something, and he tours beauty schools (filled with 18yo girls) to cut bangs in a gimmicky way and is always aggressively touching their faces and talking about how pretty they are. You can tell it turns him on when he does the bang reveal and all the girls start clapping and oohing and aahing. It would not surprise me at all if he’s predating on these girls, everything about him just grosses me out and I want to rip his face off like a chimpanzee.
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>>2633574I feel you nonna. I had a huge crush on young Warp in my early teens and I hated how they made him look like a shriveled up monkey in the doom future
No. 2638394
>>2638388I don't wear heels and I think you didn't read my post at all. My point is that anywhere you look on the internet there will be moids providing unsolicited comments for women about how to attract them, and the comments always boil down to 'us men, we don't know anything about shoes, we don't know anything about hair, skin, accessories, clothing, we don't notice anything, just how naturally hot you are!' If a moid is spamming random comment sections with advice for women about how to attract him, he's 1. probably single and desperate and 2. being extremely audacious on top of that assuming women want his unsolicited advice, but to top it off the things they say make it obvious that they probably have sub-zero grooming, hygiene or fashion sense themselves. If a moid legimately couldn't tell you what type of clothing you are wearing after spending an entire date with you, he's both inattentive to you, and completely retarded and probably has never made an attempt to look acceptable himself.
No. 2638482
>>2635658Agreed, and it definitely ties into low self-esteem. I used to have a group of friends back in the day who were all some variant of alt/goth/hipster/artsy and the simping for ugly men was so much worse in those circles. There was always a girl crying over some ugly
abusive loser who looks like a trucker, some fat balding musician who was in a band 10 years ago, or some aging former scene kid fuckboy. It was so depressing to see how these absolute uggos with terrible personalities had these attractive women falling at their feet.
No. 2638490
>>2638482In my experience artsy/alt girls don't actually have low self esteem though, and are more attractive than average usually. So I wonder if it's really self-esteem related or if it's just being more psyopped. In my experience a lot of artsy or alt girls seem to care a lot about clout both for themselves and for whoever they're dating, and also maybe want to seem more deep and interesting on the basis they don't go for those "basic" jock guys but for guys who are deep and intellectual or artistically gifted. I think that's why they sometimes pick these ugly washed up ex-musicians or whatever.
Part of the reason I think this is I have an extremely beautiful (like, commercial model beautiful) friend who is on the artsy side and when she talks to me about what she looks for in men (or what dealbreakers in men are, especially when she uses dating apps) it's the most random shit. Like "he needs to know and listen to at least 10-15 of my fav bands and they have to be the obscure ones, otherwise he has common taste" or "we need to share the same interest in obscure anime and movies." On the other hand her red flags/dealbreakers will be shit like wearing accessories, having styled hair, or looking/dressing like someone who might work in an office (aka neat but boring). She will specifically say she prefers moids who wear sweaters that are worn with holes because she assumes they thrift and that's attractive to her. To me it just seems like a weird hubris where you think a moid is better because he likes the exact same bands and obscure art films as you, and you wouldn't even give a normal attractive fit guy a chance because you assume he can't possibly like obscure art films if he dresses neat or goes to the gym. Really weird because she's a total gym rat but says she would never date a gymgoing guy.
No. 2638633
>>2638620>narcissist but low self esteemThere's gotta be another explanation than this. Most of the arthoes I've known seem more on the narcissistic side than the low self-esteem side, but they can't be both.
>>2638631I'm not arguing with her I'm just curious, I haven't seen a hairdresser in 18 or so years so I wouldn't know, but the hairdresser before that was a gay man and I think he was fine? He just seemed like a normal gay man.
No. 2638646
>>2638639So any woman who exudes confidence must be a low self esteem narc, by your logic, got it
Why do you write about them at all.
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>>2638647You still sound like you'd fixate on someone with enough inner peace to ignore your obsessive rants.
No. 2638667
>>2638656But why are you writing about it at all? Why do you post to rant and rave at all. You know you sound like you have the same narc tendencies, and pretty much everyone else online, would find a way to describe your desire for snark and snipe in the same exact spectrum of narc coping mechanisms
Knowing how to detach and genuinely enjoy yourself is the only way to pin down if someone isn't narcissistic. Lolcow is boiling over with narc behavior it's basically the soul of this entire board.
No. 2638686
>>2637530What? Noooo. I love Silver Surfer I'm so disappointed.
>>2638647You need to read about covert narcissism. There's different kinds of narcissists, don't excuse the ones who aren't outwardly boastful.
No. 2638692
>>2638677Sorry I don't understand this post either. What guy are you talking about? No one itt said high self worth is a bad thing or that it breeds narc traits, the only thing coming close was my earlier post saying that psychologists often think one of the factors in developing NPD is parents who spoil their children into thinking they're better than everyone else, which is not the same thing as confidence. This discussion was about why alt girls date such ugly old moids, none of which seems to have anything to do with what you're talking about with males having healthy self esteem or being cocky. We're talking about moids who are ugly here.
>>2638683No one here ranted about narc behavior except you. I also don't think a totally anonymous imageboard full of women would be ground zero for narcissists, for obvious reasons, but that's kind of OT.
>>2638686Covert narcs are still narcissistic even if they don't outwardly act that way, so 'extremely low sense of worth' still wouldn't be a good explanation for why a supposedly narcissistic woman would choose exceptionally ugly old men to date, covert or overt. Anyway, I don't believe these women date ugly men out of low self-esteem OR narcissism primarily, as I've now said at least twice.
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KEKKK it warms my heart to see moids throw an absolute shitfit tantrum from being subjected to an infinitesimal fraction of what women have to go through to see attractive characters in media. 99% of male protags look even worse than this. Scrotes are so mentally weak. True equality would be making every female character look like that while all the males are beautiful bishies.
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>>2638734They don’t go outside and get their perception of asian women from JAV and douyin so they’ve literally never seen a regular looking japanese woman who doesn’t bleach her skin or slather herself in makeup (natural and darker skinned japanese women even more beautiful imo). I hate yellow fever fags they hate actual asian women and only want safe, sanitized, plastically enhanced, imitation white girls.
No. 2638744
Okay this is all turning into a massive derail especially considering I'm not the nonna who brought up narcissism in the first place, and the reason I responded to her was to say that in my (fairly extensive) experience of alt girls, "art hoes" or whatever you want to call them, they tend to actually have pretty normal levels of healthy self-esteem and confidence. A lot of them are pretty, successful, and socially adept and their confidence levels reflect that. My main point was to say that their attraction to exceptionally ugly alt men probably comes from the media vilification of attractive young men especially in alt and indie media, and the false impression that media gives that a moid can't be interesting, smart or cool if he's attractive, your age, or dresses to look good for women. That's why they will choose some washed up ex-bandleader of a mildly famous punk band who's 20 years older than them over a fit, healthy and smart moid their own age, because they believe from consuming too much moid-driven media that the attractive normie moid is actually shallow and boring while the washed-up punk rocker must be deep, sensitive, mature and a great lover.
Since I seemed to
trigger a lot of upset with my comment though I'll try to rephrase/explain what I meant. I think the idea that narcissists (who are almost always moids) aren't "really" narcissistic originated in the destigmatizing mental illness tumblr movement of the 2010s, when people wanted to insist that narcs should be pitied because even if they seem to act hugely entitled and overestimate their importance/abilities, it's actually because they're hiding a soft underbelly of super low self esteem and inadequacy and just want to prove they're really worth something. If you read Lundy Bancroft's Why Does He Do That? he explains that many moids learn in therapy to say the right things to
trigger a protective instinct in their wives, including claiming they're actually just so vulnerable inside they need to beat her and destroy all her stuff when she doesn't give him compliments or sex on demand, but you can see from their actions they really do see themselves as more important and more human than the women they abuse. This type of word redefinition is similar to the recent push of "asexuals can actually have really high libidos and enjoy sex with lots of partners all the time" or the idea that ugly fat walled moids who demand perfect 10/10 model girlfriends actually just do that so people don't know how secretly lonely and vulnerable they are, not because they actually feel entitled to 10/10 models and are genuinely enraged they can't date them. Prior to the "destigmatize Cluster B" push most people in the psychiatric community and outside of it just used the word narcissism to mean actual narcissism, and I think a hypersexual asexual or a narcissist who thinks they aren't worth anything are oxymorons. I didn't know it was such an unpopular opinion.
>>2638695Sure, they do create fake personalities, but it's because they lack a core sense of self and TOM. Lacking a core self isn't the same thing as genuinely thinking you're worse than everyone else and deserve less than everyone else, especially since lacking empathy usually leads to considering yourself, not other people, the center of the universe. I have no idea why you'd ask me if I'm a diagnosed narc based on my opinion that narcissists are actually narcissistic and not poor sad
victims, but no.
>>2638696>>2638697IDK if Musk is a diagnosed narc or just a raging autist and Bateman is a fictional character who may not really represent what real people act like, but let's assume Bateman is realistic and Elon really is a narc, reacting with outrage and a sense of self-victimization to ego injury and insult doesn't mean you actually think very lowly of yourself and don't think you deserve what the average person deserves. I think it's obvious from Elon's actions that he thinks he deserves more than what other people deserve. The extreme overreaction to ego injury, again, comes from lack of a core/stable sense of identity, not from a sense that you are worse and deserve less than others. If your self-identity is basically 'I'm the best smartest coolest' and people don't buy into that, of course a person lacking ensoulment and true core identity finds it upsetting and enraging and offensive. One of the core traits of NPD is an obsession with managing reputation, and extreme overreaction to your reputation taking a hit.
>A lot of these people were also seriously neglected as childrenI think NPD moids (which is most NPDs) usually are lying about this, but to the extent it's true it probably comes from the fact that NPD is largely heritable, so an NPD parent is more likely to be neglectful. There are twin studies showing NPD still develops in both twins adopted into a completely different home environments though at high rates. Again the attempt to push the idea that nurture is responsible for most personality disorders mainly stems from the mental illness destigmatization movement applied to PDs, but there has been plenty of research correlating trait narcissism to coddling and unearned praise (or status, like from having rich parents) as a child.
>>2638698I am not disputing that. What I said was that whether a narc is covert or overt, imo they would not have very low self-esteem. The nonna I was responding to said that alt girls date ugly moids because their self esteem is so low they don't believe they deserve better than hideous moids, but also that they date hideous moids to be the pretty, better one. That's self-contradictory. I think either one of the two explanations could be true of one person, but not both.
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>>2638723Here's what the beauty behind this statement looks like. Ofc it's always the most walled dysgenic moids complaining about what women look like kek. As well as her compared to the male protagonist from the previous game who she literally looks better than. How come there was no gamer outrage over him looking like your creepy uncle at the 4th of july cookout instead of a barely legal real loife animu boy?
I probably could've worded the original post better so I'll clarify that I agree there's nothing wrong with her appearance at all. Men are just so spoiled that they think women having to sit through decades of ugly bastards pales in comparison to the absolute psychological horrors they face by.. having to look at a normal adult woman.
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I knew this stupid bogged pickme bitch would get back with that ugly little dead-eyed ADHD cheating rat. So pathetic. More proof all these female life advice gurus are just grifters and you should never listen to anything they say. Stupid bitch might as well be living back in Chechnya and getting used as a bangmaid cuckquean by some scuzzy cheating scrote.
No. 2638871
>>2638734Yeah what a horribly offensive thing (to actual Japanese women) to say. They want depictions of 'Japanese femininity' to be their white weeb porn addict perception of Japanese women rather than actually resembling real Japanese women. I also don't get how depicting someone who's ugly (even though she's not) would be an affront to 'Japanese femininity' - is the game saying this character is the peak of femininity or do they just get offended at the mere thought of normal human women existing? Is it an affront to femininity that less feminine women exist? Should they wear paper bags over their heads?
Imagine if women acted like this about men: we see a depiction of some old wizened grandpa aged wizard in a video game and say 'this is a grotesque mockery of Adonis-like masculine beauty!' They would immediately insist that the character's purpose is not to be beautiful and masculine but to be a wise, aged character. Only female characters need to be sexually attractive at all times while male characters get to have actual qualities that people have. Or what if women acted like this even about the male video game characters who are supposed to be attractive but aren't (so, most of them)? Moids would be malding and seething about how we're all hypergamous whores with completely unrealistic expectations of what men look like and no appreciation for 'real' masculinity because they would insist anime bishies that women actually like aren't 'realistic' or 'masculine' enough so our preference for actually attractive male characters is superficial and ridiculous. Just look at how moids seethe about media with handsome, kind or loyal male characters being 'porn for women' and 'more degenerate than actual rape/torture porn' because it's an evil, unrealistic wish-fulfillment fantasy for women lmao. Most women aren't even asking for every male character in a game or movie to be young and attractive, we'd be happy with one or two, while moids lose their minds over the presence of even one normal looking or older or fully clothed female character.
I randomly stumbled upon some moid's video about what not to do when you're a female writer who is writing male characters, and obviously the first thing not to do was describing unrealistic physical features like having rippling muscles or something if the character isn't supposed to be a body builder, or describing things like his muscles flexing when he does something normal like opening a door. Yet whenever you read female characters written by moids, even many moids who are highly acclaimed 'serious' authors, they will describe almost every female character in this way, inserting descriptions of her boobs or smooth skin into unrelated scenes or having the woman be unrealistically perfect-bodied even though her job isn't an athlete or model. But then one of the other terrible unrealistic things women do when writing male characters is, apparently, focusing on fidelity! He went on a whole rant about how it's totally unrealistic for a male character to be depicted as a good man because he's loyal to his wife or girlfriend, and even if he is loyal, he should still check out and be attracted to other women than the one he likes. Imagine a writer inserting random, unnecessary descriptions of a 'good man' or heroic character in a book checking out other women than the heroine, just to make the moids reading about it feel better about it. Also imagine reversing the genders and having a moid tell male writers it's too unrealistic to write female characters who only love their husband/love interest. If a heroine in a book who was supposed to be faithful to her love interest was written constantly checking out and having lewd thoughts about other men, you know moids would be seething about how she's a terrible love interest because she's a disloyal whore and the book is teaching a bad moral lesson and lowering morale by treating unfaithfulness and hypergamy as normal kek. I don't even think these losers realize how hypocritical they are about this because they take it as a given that women (and by extension female characters in media) exist to please their dicks while they consider themselves and their kind real people who should have normal expectations placed on them and are still interesting/valuable even when old or ugly. They will crow about how fewer people are dating and getting married because women have sky-high standards for men while simultaneously admitting they don't even consider a woman who isn't an under-25 beauty worth dating, even if they're 45 kek.
No. 2638873
>>2637478Is this some dead internet bod farm shit. Like Chris Evans being a dumb frat dude type is like ideal for Johnny.
>>2637548They really should have just used Nova if they wanted to use a female Galactus herald. Like Galactus has a lot of heralds, they could just pick a different one rather than trying to fully rework Surfer if they didn't want to actually adapt him.
No. 2638885
>>2638752Based on the fact he's posting gym selfies he probably believes he's a great beauty kek. He looks psycho and way too ugly for that video game character, if she was a real woman she would not date him. She actually looks really pretty in that second screenshot, I see plenty of uglier actresses in jdrama who are supposed to be pretty characters.
>>2638790Only if you actually humiliate yourself like this. Straight women don't have to treat themselves like trash, but it seems especially common for fake-misandrist FDS influencers to humiliate themselves while giving dating advice to millions of teen girls and young women.
No. 2638940
>>2638925I bet it’s because at hair/cosmetology schools the gay moids assign themselves as the little scrote bullies and the women are too scared to speak out against them or tell them when their work is shit, because they’ll screech homophobe and start a catfight about it.
I haven’t met a male hairdresser who wasn’t a huge bitch and who doesn’t makes their female customers uncomfortable. If you watch them online you see how waspish and rude and overly critical they are to women, under the guise of ‘telling it like it is’. I mean most hairdressers are known for being bitchy but gay scrotes take their cattiness and rudeness to an obnoxious level. I’ll never give my money to a scrote ever.
No. 2639083
>>2638905That's pretty much the root of the UMP. Grooming women into pickmeism and NLOGism by convincing each individual girl from the time she first starts engaging with media that she is more unique, deep, intelligent and discerning than other women if she picks the reject men other women obviously wouldn't/shouldn't want, that she's seeing through some haze other stupid girls are stuck in of liking attractive, kind, charming guys and that she will be rewarded with a better, more faithful and exciting relationship. Of course the actual haze that most women end up stuck in is this idea itself; it's the fact that in almost every movie, book and TV show the intended love interest moid who treats girls like princesses (and gives the girl all the screen time and main-characterism) is some ugly or 'unconventional' moid, bonus point if he's seemingly a shady criminal, NEET or geek, who is actually given more charming and humanizing traits than the other male characters and sometimes even played by a moderately OK-looking actor compared to the real life moids who actually act/dress like that. Of course most of the girls engaging with the media will like the character who's given more screen time and who is hinted as having hidden depths and who is given charming and exciting personality traits. Girls will watch Hazbin Hotel and feel more special than all the other girls for liking some ugly yellow-toothed pointy demon even though all their peers are doing the same thing.
It starts really young with stories like the princess and the frog or beauty and the beast, where the one girl who sees through the literal disgusting (and in the case of beauty and the beast, mean/violent) animal facade is rewarded with a handsome, kind prince at the end, and becomes a literal happy-ever-after princess. Then it progresses to slightly more realistic stories with humanoids like vampires and werewolves who are at first glance violent and creepy and beastly (oh, and like 500 years older than the awkward female teen protagonist) but are sometimes attractive, in a weird way, in their human form, and the even-more-realistic stories set in high school or college where it's a druggie or delinquent or bully, or maybe a sniveling nerd, who definitely does look ugly and disheveled but actually has a 150IQ and a heart of gold and has eyes only for the normie girl self-insert character. By the time you get to adult media it's a geriatric scrote or a lanky jobless autistic geek with no social skills or maybe a gang member with bad hygiene, or even a serial killer like Hannibal Lecter, many of whom are not even loyal and do not treat the women like princesses, but make sure to give him a much more engaging character and make all the conventionally attractive and normal characters boring as cardboard and secretly shitty too to rub in that women can have no expectations of men at all to be handsome, respectable, non-violent, or faithful. If he makes mistakes though he always magically repents and comes back to the love interest at the end, and he's just so much more exciting than the boring attractive agematched characters. Make sure that whenever an older woman - younger male pairing occurs on screen, the woman is portrayed as pathetic and/or creepy and desperate, but when an older man - younger male pairing occurs it's completely normal and not even remarked upon.
The point is for every woman watching to feel unique and discerning for liking the 'unique' male character even though almost the entire female audience likes the same character because they've been subtly manipulated with media tricks to do so - the same way they foreshadow the villain in thrillers and make you feel smart for 'guessing' correctly. Then in real life you get women protesting that they totally don't care about stuff like a moid being handsome, fit, kind and charming to everyone (because it's more special if he's awful to everyone but you), tall, having a decent job, having no history of cheating or crime, and you get all the way to the point of libfem NLOGism where women will actively compete to tear each other down for liking nice, handsome, conventional moids and openly pride themselves on giving chances to scary, unfaithful, old, fat, bald, short, microdicked and porn-addicted men. If he dresses badly and has a drug problem you've just found a diamond in the rough, and once you build him up he will truly appreciate you unlike those moids with options! It's a sign of immaturity and shallow character to like a moid who seems appealing! Look at those cringe teenage girls, and, god forbid, adult women who like bishies and cute men from boybands and faithful kdrama leads! It takes actual social courage in the face of all this peer pressure to come out and say 'I like hot, popular men, actually.' That is the psyop. Women who like hot and nice male characters are often too embarrassed to say so for fear of being judged as common and immature.
I was reading a bunch of comments under a video where women were smugly humblebragging about how they never even find themselves attracted to irl moids who are popular with other women, because it's just not worth the effort to 'compete' with other women for a moid (whatever that means - did he ask you to participate in a cage match?) and it ruins the attraction to know other women like him. They've trained themselves to seek out rejects and they really think it makes them better and smarter than other women, because that's what they've been implicitly taught basically since birth.
>>2638907>Fidelity is the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM OF A RELATIONSHIPNot only that but it is less than the bare minimum for a hero or protagonist character. The moid kept saying something like 'this is a stupid way to show readers that the male character is good, there are lots of other traits that can show he's a good man' but an unfaithful man is by definition not good even if he has other good traits. Someone with good moral character will at baseline be faithful in relationships, in addition to having other good traits. Even it can be assumed that moids in relationships sometimes look at other women and think 'oh, she's attractive' what would be the point of going out of your way to write that into a story other than to make readers uneasy about his faithfulness and foreshadow future infidelity? Should the author make sure to write in a couple scenes of the moid examining his poop in the toilet bowl too, because everybody shits? Scenes in written stories are supposed to be intentional and signify something. What does him leering at random women signify?
Women in the comments were also saying that, akshully, it's more MEANINGFUL (in real life) remains faithful to you even though he's constantly looking at other women and tempted to cheat. It doesn't even count as true love if he doesn't constantly have to resist the strong temptation to cheat on you. Realistically, what woman would rather know her husband is constantly barely restraining him from cheating than to know her husband really only is interested in her? It's exactly the same mentality as polycucks though, they're always like 'it actually means more if my primary partner dates and fucks a bunch of other women and still chooses to come back to me at the end of the day, if he was committed only to me it wouldn't be an active daily renewal of our love' kek. No, retard, your boyfriend choosing not to even get into romantic situations with other women is, in fact, the showing he loves you part. If he's sitting in bed with you browsing fetlife to find his next hookup or going through his calendar planning how to divide his time between all his 'secondary partners' instead of paying attention to you, you're just humiliating yourself.
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>>2639109Most moids' metabolisms eventually slow down and they find it hard to maintain very low body fat, plus natural aging in moids actually makes their frame (regardless of fat) expand so they don't have slim v-shaped waists anymore and get fridge bodies. I think the dadbod moniker was originally supposed to be about men of the age to be dads of young women though (like 45-50+) and not the age of most postpartum women, since moids should not have such slow metabolisms and fridge torsos quite yet in their late twenties to thirties. Unfortunately I know a lot of recent dads in their early 30s who gained way more weight than their wives since the baby though, and I have no clue what the explanation is.
To slightly defend the concept of dad bods, I think originally it was supposed to be a guy who's actually really fit and muscular despite being older, but just has slightly more body fat (like 15-20%) instead of being as lean as younger athletes. See picrel. Idk how or why it turned into 'fat beerbellied man with no muscle tone whatsoever' but that wasn't the original meaning.
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>>2638723>moids ask for hyper realism in vidya>AAA companies give them hyper realism in vidya>reeee why do my hyper realistic vidya look hyper realisticdo they seriously think japanese women look like the hyper edited thots they see on shitter? why do i ask i know men are retarded and think this is how all women in japan look like
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>>2639142I just realized what this woman reminds me of
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>>2639149her unedited photos look more like the annoying ornage
No. 2639165
>>2639142>do they seriously think japanese women look like the hyper edited thots they see on shitter?Yes, video game moids don't go outside so they don't know what real things look like. Part of the appeal of Japan and Japanese women is they have never been, and most of their exposure to the country is through highly unrealistic drawings, whereas they have probably had the terrible traumatic experience of going outside in their home country once or twice and noticing that women have pores, bodies that follow the laws of physics and eyes smaller than their mouths and noses combined, after which they had to retreat back into their mom's basement for several years to recover from the PTSD.
When real women from their home culture try to tell them politely on twitter that women follow the laws of physics in other countries too, their brains shortcircuit and they respond by consoling themselves that the women are just evil jealous bitches desperately trying to prevent them from leaving their dating pool, and as soon as they get rich from crypto trading the $400 they got as an allowance from mom they'll get on a plane to Japan and make everyone jealous by immediately finding a harem of anime girls.
No. 2639438
>>2639387I'll give you visual
You wanna see what your dick in a blender looks like
We can make dick smoothie I even have strawberries
No. 2639457
>>2639387Saying they're more visual is code for "I need women to be hot, first and foremost because personality doesn't do it for me" and an excuse for why they have to cheat, demand nudes from their gfs they'll later blackmail them with, whine about and boycott media where the women aren't hot enough for them, divorce their middle aged or sick or postpartum wives, watch porn incessantly, act totally incapable of romance (I don't get you women, if you're hot I'll get a boner instantly so what's the point of that romance bullshit?), don't want to do/suck at foreplay (what do you mean you need foreplay, I can get a boner instantly from seeing boobs and I'll get blue balls if I can't coom within 3 minutes), need their female partners to engage in kink (I need a highly specific visual stimulus like a maid outfit or pedicured feet or else), tear down female partners for minor flaws in appearance, leer at other women who aren't their gf in the street, have ONS without emotional engagement or trick women into dating/sleeping with them and then say actually they aren't feeling it and mistook her being hot for feelings, totally lack sensuality (because the other senses don't matter, only seeing naked woman matters), pretend not to notice they fucking reek, demand women shave their entire bodies because otherwise they will just be too disgusted, and especially why they can't help being pedophiles because they're visual, and if that 13 year old 'looks adult' then they can't help wanting to fuck her, obviously. They're not actually more visual, compared to women they even suck at extremely simple tasks like identifying colors or putting together an outfit that doesn't look like it was thrown on in the dark by a 5-year-old.
They also use it as an excuse for their hypocrisy, for example: they claim that women having a wandering eye or cheating is bad because when women cheat it must be either evil gold-digger monkey branching to steal their money or emotionally involved and intimate because women need emotional investment to have sex, supposedly, but when they cheat it's just a harmless little oopsie because it didn't mean anything, they didn't care about the affair partner they just thought she was hot and couldn't help themselves. When women have standards for their appearance it's cruel intrasexual competition to impress other women or it's to tear the poor moid's self esteem down, but when they have standards for a woman's appearance it's because they can't help it, they just can't be attracted to a woman who doesn't look like a pornstar. When women divorce them it's because the woman is a heartless demon that was planning all along to take their money and children, but when they divorce their wives it's because she got a little fat postpartum and they just need sex and they can't have sex with her after she gained 15 lbs and got a wrinkle. As long as they insist they're the visual sex that means women are not visual, so we must have evil nefarious reasons for wanting to be attracted to our partners or losing sexual interest when they let themselves go and get fat 1 year into the relationship.
>>2639391To demonstrate that she shooped herself to have a toothpick neck and tiny shrunken lower face/jaw, because moids think women having developed jaws is bad.
No. 2639467
>>2639451No, see
>>2638752 kek. He's just a racist caucasian weeaboo having his anime waifu fantasy shattered.