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No. 2523554
Beware of /tttt/ourists, who have been shitting up the troon threads in /snow/ lately. Report and ignore anything you suspect is written by troons.
ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.
Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids>To what degree does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real life ideologies and politics>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying straight-with-extra steps shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)>General moralfaggotryPrevious:
>>2428892 No. 2523748
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After the Windbreaker debacle, I've started thinking about how despite the stereotype thrown around about bl, compared to yuri/het anime which do the "draw a girl, all it a boy" bl manga/fujobait tends to have the most masculine looking crossdressing characters.
No. 2523788
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>>2523780Fwiw, pic is a gay okama that identifies as male like the other anon said.
I just thought it was funny how there's an effort to make them look as male as possible compared to yuri/het which seemed to be unproblematic when they do the same thing, but with "draw a girl, call it a boy/gender ambiguous" characters.
No. 2524292
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>>2523748All I see when I look at that is Jack from Patalliro in a modern art style kek. I wonder how much it would rock anons' worlds to find out that drag kabuki has been like, a formal profession among straight guys in Japan for hundreds of years (it's called onnagata).
No. 2525200
>>2523748but this is clearly a male design, his facial structure is drawn more angular and he is taller to emphasize his masculinity, if this was bl he would be 5'0 tall and have no body mass and just be dainty
>>2524292the bl series where the uke ends up pregnant, not helping your case
No. 2525203
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this feels misogynistic
No. 2525220
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>>2525200>if it was a bl seriesLike pic related? Okama crossdressers in bl series are still on average shown more as male.
No. 2525385
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>>2525220>>2525200A better benchmark would be to look at the most popular search for crossdressing+bl-genderswap and it seems to be about roughly even, with ultra-feminine borderline female ukes next to more typical looking males
No. 2525396
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>>2525385Checking the actual artstyles, I can't see this as anything but male.
No. 2525405
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>>2525396Here's another one compared to a harem protagonist crossdressing.
No. 2525446
>>2525203I will never not hate fujos who bring kids into the equation. Not an invested hate, but definitely a hatred leaning towards repulsion. I want to see two men bang each other or potentially have a relationship. Why do children have to be present?
I know it sounds like microwaved retardation but I still think it's a Japanese psyop to target BL fans with "if you project onto the uke, who takes care of the ship kids, you will be happy like them". Fuck outta here with that clownery.
No. 2525450
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>>2525446There’s just a lot of fujos with baby fever who want to see their OTP have kids, it’s not that deep.
No. 2525497
>>2525491>>2525493Think you're really overthinking a simple idea of "hehe baby version cute", it's not like they're going through the whole process.
It's like saying animal husbando forms are animal abuse because they draw feeding them human food and how dogs would be gross irl because they need to poop.
No. 2525505
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>>2525493Unironically laughed
No. 2525513
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>>2525203>getoswombI find her autism fascinating, but it is because of shippers like her that I stopped engaging with satosugu content. Which sucks because their dynamic had so much potential but western shippers have completely flanderized it. I got into Phaidei recently and at first it started with “I want to get him pregnant” jokes which was fine. I find it corny but it did not particularly bother me. But now almost every joke and fanart on twitter is centered around how Mydei is a woman. I have seen actual essays on Mydei’s fertility symbolism. It is pure insanity.
I do not know when everything went so wrong. It was not like this a few years ago. I remember Komahina fans on tunglr would joke about Komaeda being the heroine of SDR2, but there was never this bizarre obsession with giving him a cunt or drawing mpreg art of him or analyzing his femininity. With a lot of popular fujo ships in recent years, almost every other piece of fan content now revolves around pregnancy, motherhood, and writing thinkpieces about how the bottom is a woman.
No. 2525532
>>2525521I don't really care if you think everything is retarded or if you weren't involved in the conversation to begin with, it's still a lot more retarded to ovethink it with irl complications when it's just a gachapon.
Its like the autists overthinking kids shows, there was no reason to think about how babies shit themselves. It's a gacha you spend 300 yen on cuz it's cute.
No. 2525542
>>2525486It's not my thing, so this is purely speculative, but I know some people enjoy looking at baby pictures of their celebrity crushes (in a non-pedo way, to be clear) so maybe it's the same with otakus' favorite anime guys? You do often hear people saying stuff like "he's my son," "baby boy," and "protect him," about their favorite male characters, so I think there's just an overall desire to woobify and cutesify stuff they like. It's weird, but to call it pedophilia or misogyny is a bit of a reach imo.
I've said this before, but it annoys me that everyone online these days feels the need to cook up some moral justification for their opinions. Why can't people just say, "Eww, that's weird to me," and move on? You're allowed to hate things on a subjective level, you know. Not everything you hate has to be secretly pedophilic, racist, exist, etc.
No. 2525564
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>>2525486They're just meant to be cute and a lot of people like infantilizing their favorite characters.
No. 2525570
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>>2525513>I remember Komahina fans on tunglr would joke about Komaeda being the heroine of SDR24koma manga started this actually
No. 2525576
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I've just realised that my post is in the threadpic, aw yeeee
No. 2525578
>>2525571Would you rather have
>le evil mastermind Stewie Griffinbaby
No. 2525599
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>>2525571>>2525578It's not even a Japanese thing, pic related is fucking everywhere. Some people just like dumb shit sometimes.
No. 2525632
>>2525628I'm not anti-anime, but more anti mainstream anime, but it's all saturated with gross pedoscrote fantasies anyway. I don't hate fujos unless they're really annoying and retarded with a giant
victim complex.
No. 2525651
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I'm not surprised this thread is over-analyzing baby chibis and saying they are a psyop or misogynistic when a large chunk of women simply find babies to be cute. It's the same vibe as Japanese women making cute custom plush dolls of characters.
Most anti-fujo stuff seems to just be psychoanalysis of things other women like to justify hate. I don't like bodice ripper novels or dark romance or lame het ships like raylo, but I don't care if a friend or relative likes that stuff.
No. 2525659
>>2525651Only one anon called it misogynistic, most anons are simply saying they're weird and ugly. This post is so ironic because it's ascribing politics to an opposing opinion and yet bemoaning the politics ascribed to
their opinion and preference… all while most anons with the opposing opinion were simply saying the figures were weird and dumb and nothing overly political in the first place. Women can also dislike things without attaching any sort of moralistic pearl clutching over it, some women just don't find anime scrotes as babies to be particularly appealing and it's fine to disagree and to spend your hard earned money on an ugly representation of a baby.
No. 2525665
>>2525654I liked
Baji but tbh I really just watched the show because the mc was a super retard.
No. 2525684
>>2525659AYRT I don't care if other women dislike anime babies and I don't like them either. I'm referring to
>>2525491 and
>>2525556 and the overall trend of overanalyzing things women like.
No. 2525704
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>>2525692NTA but do you only watch jojos, fist of the north star and bersek? the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hair save for seinen where they exaggerate the characters physique to be a power fantasy for scrotes.
No. 2525719
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>>2525704>the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hairThey do this in case they wanna introduce a fujo love interest to get female fans.
No. 2525725
>>2525518I am convinced of this too. Many nu fujos and himes are just weird. All I see fujos on twitter talk about is wanting to get the male character they see as the bottom pregnant. And himes only talk about taking the strap or sucking it. They keep pushing straight dynamics into yaoi and yuri while simultaneously screeching about how queer they are. It is just frustrating.
>>2525570Kek of course, how could I forget this. It is crazy how despite the whole heroine Komaeda gag, no one was seriously writing essays about how he is a mtf tranny, even though Danganronpa had one of the most mentally ill fanbases at the time. Times really have changed.
>>2525602Sorry anon. Unfortunately jokes like this are pretty common in modern fanbases, and even though they're usually made by snowflakes who would cry about being misgendered or whatever they do not think twice before throwing insensitive shit into their memes.
No. 2525747
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>>2525704>the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hair Japanese men have softer features, so cartoon styles there developed accordingly.
No. 2525794
>>2525688A baby existing is not heterosexuality with extra steps.
If lesbians adopt a child is that automatically make it no longer lesbian and instead heterosexual?
No. 2525803
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>>2525719It's nothing so serious, its because male anatomy is hard and moeblobs are easy to draw, which makes the fact that bl/fujobait takes the effort to make even traps masculine in small ways like shoulders and legs despite it being more difficult more noticeable.
No. 2525823
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>>2525688Is this bait? For better or worse, real gay couples IRL have kids. That doesn't make them straight with extra steps kek.
No. 2525828
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>>2525584You do realize than American companies do that too, right?
No. 2528523
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>Gengoroh Tagame
They know he draws scat porn right? Kek
Also the fucking irony of using an idolmaster character while pearl clutching
No. 2528575
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>>2528555What's the source? I guarantee the OP is a minor, a TiF, or both. These tards who virtue-signal about how bara is somehow morally superior to yaoi despite being 10x as rapey and having way grosser fetishes are all the same. I've met gay moids (actual ones, not TiFs) who prefer yaoi to bara because they're not into bears with lego heads, or they want something with some characterization and build-up instead of just "two fat hairy guys meet at the gym and rape each other. The end."
It's yet another case of picrel. Generally, women want to write slow-burn hurt-comfort stories where the characters don't even kiss for like 20 chapters, while men (regardless of sexuality) just want to write about 2-dimensional characters fucking out of nowhere. Yet somehow women are the evil objectifiers, while retards like Shencomix are heccin' based lesbian allies when they fetishize lesbians.
No. 2528578
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>>2528576In a way I do feel bad for these people on some level for that reason, like imagine skipping out on genuinely fantastic works of weeb lit like Rinko's games because she's a woman kek
Same goes for Harada since a lot of her manga is in my faves list, I'm just more of a VNfujo, ESPECIALLY since we're getting so much for fujo stuff this year.
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>>2528580>TiFs have extreme internalized misogynyAYRT, I felt it was misogynistic too. It also begs the question, how would they know the sex of the mangaka, let alone wether or not they're gay men. Before you know it they'll be demanding they print pink triangles on their works.
>>2528578Agreed. There are surely non-sexual mangas out there for these types, why can't they just focus on that? Since they want to uplift gay moids so much.
>since we're getting so much for fujo stuff this year.Happy for you, nona! /m/ has been talking a lot about that Hundred Line game and I'm not much of a VNfag but I'm considering picking it up because of all the noise here.
No. 2528588
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>You can't read yaoi by straight womenCan you read yaoi by straight men?>>2528587Goddamn it nonna I was about to post them and you beat me to it.
No. 2528589
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>>2528581Mind blowing that a man who openly writes about people playing with dookie because it gets his dick hard is held up as some kind of visionary activist artist, while a woman who makes a vagina sculpture gets arrested.
No. 2528713
>>2528589nippon:
>shotalolishit porn (irl and drawn) where little kids are being raped gored and beaten>"legal! it doesnt affect real life anyways "despite all the cases proving they do>figure of a kawaiified vagina>JAILthis case and the case about the sculpture of korean comfort women who were systematically raped by Japanese soldiers showed the blatant hypocrisy of Japanese "freedom" of speech laws.
No. 2528730
>>2525839op here. I thought it was so weird how other nonas didn't think it was a psyop. In the context of other countries, sure, it makes sense I guess if women have bany fever and content appeases to that. But we don't see that trend with women in
Japan. It's like they're trying to induce baby fever where there isn't any. I've seen kids pop up in BL content where the men are fetishized in some heinous ways that likely appeal to some weird fetish the author has, and then suddenly it's like
>And they have the uke breastfeeding the the children he was bred with in the surprise mpreg!Let women project onto ukes if they want to do that. I'm not here to bash that. I just think it's wild that this is something they'd include a page after rabid anal sex. We all know babies come from sex but dude show one or the other in fiction, not both. Isn't that how people get strange kinks? I don't know. It's uncomfortable to me.
>>2525688Nona nobody cares. But let's play devil's advocate. Some women like to portray themselves as a submissive man who lacks a vagina. A step removed, they can indulge in wild kinks without feeling like they, themselves, have to damage their real bodies to experience such a delight. Yeah, that sounds REAL bad. And according to others on previous thread, these women should put down their preferred way to indulge in order to satisfy the limited boxes of a heterosexual normalcy that you deem is more appropriate for them.
>It's just heterosexuality with extra steps. Just coom to straight porn instead ffsThe most common take. Very forward thinking.
No. 2528738
>>2528730samefag Forgot to say; I
am a fujo. I just hate another subsection of us kek
No. 2528820
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>>2528723>you say you dont like pedo Japanese media yet you still consume other non pedophilic Japanese media, hypocrite much?Are you implying that all Japanese media is full of pedoshit?
No. 2529100
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>>2529079Weeb fujos >>> Western fujos >>>>>>>>>>>>> Koreaboo fujos
Mainly a weeb fujo but I like some western ships here and there from capeshit (no idea how people ship cartoon characters together most of the time since they're not sexy at all) but almost every korean ship is godawful and so much of it is RPF garbage.
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>>2529105It's popular in China which gives it a pass kek
>their tastes tend to be badYeah because so much of it is stuff like Danny Phantom characters who aren't designed to be physically attractive at all. There's a reason why south park and gravity falls fanart was always off model as fuck and more resembled OCs.
No. 2529294
>>2529079>>2529093I must be particularly unbased bc I enjoy BL manga
and most of my slash OTPs are Westslop, like when it comes to original m/m stuff I prefer Japan, but with slash shipping I prefer Western media. So apparently I'm enabling Nippedo
and I have shit taste on account of shipping Westoid uggos kek. I don't really care for most Korean shit because I hate the art style, particularly the grotesque way they draw lips.
No. 2530644
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>"but remember that the ukes are not supposed to be women and girls"
No. 2530692
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>>2530644this is a random edgy twitter TIF obsessed with giving male characters vaginas and has an obvious detrans fetish. your point?
No. 2531891
>>2531421Because being a fujo is only associated with women and they don't want to be reminded of that they're women+it was considered cool to shit on fujos for quite a while
Since being a fujoshi has become trendy in recent years though they're trying to desperately prop up fudanshi (which is basically a super niche in Japan)
No. 2531940
>>2531421They are desperate for an identity to attach themselves to.
Same way some people won't shut up about being a Leo, someone who makes being an INFP their whole personality, how some people are about race, or how people will pretend to be autistic/have some disorder and then turn into huge crusaders and moralfagging on how others others shouldn't be using sperg in slang or some other very retarded shit.
They want to be special, they want everything into little boxes. They look at yaoi and hate that it isn't special and just for them. They don't want other girls to like the same things they like.
No. 2536596
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How exactly is this hypocritical?
No. 2536653
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The slight difference in dynamics between fujo and otome ships is kinda interesting, like how the P3 female protagonist gets shipped with Shinjiro while the male protagonist gets shipped with Ryouji.
No. 2536659
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>>2536617Most examples people post of "feminine uke" are from 20 years ago.
Nowadays there's a lot of variety and most generally look more masculine than the average anime male, look through the thread for examples like these
>>2525220Meanwhile male main characters from a male magazines and male light novels can look quite feminine if you look through closely (pic related was randomish stuff I read this week). Sadly due to stereotype, women are the ones told their characters aren't drawn like men.
No. 2536669
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For fun, here's isekai all airing pretty soon this year. Top are bl and fujobait, bottom are targeted towards men (and me, I'm watching bottom right).
No. 2536676
>>2536674All of them look male to me tbh, but maybe it depends on how used you are to anime styles.
Top right, anime girls don't have that type of jaw.
No. 2536687
>>2536676>>2536681Well obviously anime girls don’t have that jaw, anime girls don’t look like women either, it’s drawing one thing and calling it something else. That doesn’t mean the image above looks particularly male.
I don’t really see how anyone could see the bottom right as an adult male kekk don’t lie. That’s just being disingenuous, and talking to a normie who won’t give the argument a time of day would probably open some people’s eyes a little. But I don’t think it’s as harmful as real moid pedophilia though so I don’t care at all personally.
No. 2536693
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>>2536689And they're acting like isekai characters haven't looked like homogenized soylent twinks for the past decade
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>>2536693It's easier for elevens to self insert as and easier to animate.
No. 2536706
>>253668>>2536692>Well obviously anime girls don’t have that jaw, anime girls don’t look like women eitherThen what was the point in asking to begin with? You ask first it in anime terms, its given.
>>2536695Did you misread "Nowadays there's a lot of variety" as "there's no such thing as a feminine uke"
No. 2536747
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>>2536741>Shield Hero becomes weirdly gay Madoka after a whileIs it with this blondie? Only thing I know about Shield hero is based queen accuses scrote of rape.
No. 2536757
>>2536734Anime characters are deformed cartoons in most art styles where the male characters look like female ones with little dimorphism besides boobs.
The point of the genre is that it's a male with another male. I don't understand why yaoi observers or critics miss it. The uke isn't a secret pseudo-female or self-insert. We want to see a man by romanced by another man or take dick up the ass because it's hot.
No. 2536769
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>>2536765Well uh, I guess that appealed to some fujos since there's a surprising amount of works for it.
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>>2536765>Google itBro literally turned so gay from le ebil women that he sees them as pigs holy fuck my sides.
No. 2536786
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>>2536781Suddenly I’m interested in Shield Hero
he calls him father….
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>>2536790Hoping the situation will be like picrel then.
No. 2536797
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>>2536734I feel like this is a thinly veiled trap to get others to post BL with manly guys, kek. Whatever, I'll still bite
No. 2536799
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>>2536790This reminded me, Overlord gets fujo work between the mc and his nazi son.
No. 2536819
>>2536740Top ten signs the yuri lake has dried up, and they seek more providers. We cannot treat our dehydrated sisters with so much scorn. The poor things are doing all they can kek
>>2536734>but nearly every masculine trait makes characters less appealingI know this is lolcow, but sometimes you have to agree with yourself sometimes that, occassionally, women find men hot. That's just how it is. Not every woman is born a lesbian or even finds feminine traits hot. Masculine traits can end up creating a some degree of Ugly Bastard, absolutely. But in a fictional world where people don't look that far into a scrote's future, we bask in the glory of the Hot Male that is Masculine.
>broad shoulders, muscles monsters, sharp jaws, covered in scarsAs these things are glorious to me and my favorite characters are… well…
muscular monsters even.
>Why not just call the female character you designed female?This does happen! And in the material I consume, it's often the self insert of the artist playing wingman.
But I think questions like these are asked with the explicit purpose of being willfully ignorant, regardless of how many times we explain the whole thing to those of this angle. Some women just want to project onto a girly male. Some women want girly men to get fucked. Some want two muscle monsters to fuck. Dick in ass.
Dick in ass. That is a preference. I sure as shit do not want to read manga where there is a gaping vaginal angle or women being abuse. I want my men to fuck, and I want them to be men.
No. 2536864
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Why do autists expect realism from anime, its literally japanese cartoons. No one would say the same about west shit like adventure time, where all the humans and humanoids look exactly the same regardless of age or sex. They have to be baiting because i dont understand how you can exercise your suspension of disbelief for characters with blue hair color, cat ears, neon pink eyes and magical powers but you expect hyper realisim from everything else.
No. 2536869
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>>2536853Its the same cope moids use to accuse women of being lesbians for liking kpop and shit. They have been feed misninformation by hollywood moidslop that women want men who are 20 years older, fat, bald, rugged and roid muscular so their small pea brains short circuit when they are met with the reality most women like attractive young men that adhere to similar beauty standards as women. These antifujo baiters are doing the same thing, seething that women like cute submissive men instead of wanting to be the submissive cute ones in the relationship. Its pure coping.
No. 2536873
>>2536834>I'm simply saying the pallet for masculine expression is so limited (sans fashion) that if you choose forgo these traits you will end up with a female character design.I wholeheartedly disagree! If this isn't bait, rhen I'd be more than happy to indulge you. I like to delude myself into believing that the opposite of masculinity isn't
femininity, but basically? Skeletor or orb. Either a character becomes androgynous (lack of any defining characteristics - a skeleton or massively obese), or they are masculine. You can add effeminate characteristics to a male to broaden your scope
if you want, but it isn't necessary. I don't see how the "pallet" for feminine expression is any better? I think they're equally flexible. Even when throwing out fashion, which characters completely in the nude, you have a lot to work with. It's just that sometimes the main media appeal doesn't mention this. You just end up with, what… shota, twink, and bara? There's more you can do than this.
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>>2536617>Sorry I don’t participate in this threadClearly, because if you did, you'd know that your question has been answered a hundred times before. Lurk moar. Next.
No. 2536914
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>>2536887Oh okay I thought you took Skeletor to a whole different direction.
Though tbh,
I like my male characters more on the meaty side and not feminine, please don't kill me. No. 2536932
>>2536864>autists>dot eye gif>where>humans are all the sameWTF IS THIS BULLSHIT FUCK YOU
YES I EXPECT A FANSTATICAL WORLD WITH A NONSHIT ART STYLE
No. 2536933
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>>2536930He literally has abs. You are insane
No. 2536937
>>2536933It's fine, Laios nonna doubles down really badly if you push it.
If its fat to her let it be.
No. 2536939
>>2536933 If he weights 210 then he is ~20 pounds of fat. Compare that to a 120 lbs even at 10% he only has 12 lbs of fat
He also has tons of useless muscle which might as well be fat.
Also being attract to it is literally zoophilia
No. 2536940
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>>2536933He looks like a fridge. Roidbodies are disgusting and look obese.
No. 2536942
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>>2536939Not every guy can be clamp character tier skinny
No. 2536950
>>2536943Sharp jawline = male. katakana = male, hiragana = female.
If they speak in katakana then they are
robot No. 2536960
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>>2536948It's so tiresome, ask not to kill and look what happens kek. They can't help it at all.
>>2536952Posting Genshin is just shaming yourself tbh.
No. 2536975
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>>2536967I'm sorry, after reading the GI thread I can't stop laughing
No. 2536976
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>yet another battleground for muh bishies vs muh wholesome chungus fatties sperging
>autists will memorise the most obscure trivia about the most obscure Japanese cartoon but "people have different tastes"/"if you have a specific fetish most people around you probably don't share it" is just too difficult to comprehend
No. 2536978
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>>2536973There was a girl who thought she was a lesbian for thinking he was cute without knowing the context of the show
No. 2536982
>>2536968Where lol?
Arcane? Please, take it. Far, far away where I can't see it.
No. 2536991
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>>2536988Sure why not.
>>2536989That's fuckin gross nonna.
No. 2536994
>>2536991>Sure why not. see? it wasnt so hard. Continue gooning to fatties then
nonny.
No. 2536995
>>2536988Nta but
>so you hate waffles?Everytime, someone mentions they like something different and these spergs have to self victimize and spray shit at everyone, then cry and cry about how bishies are oppressed and how people misinterpret their male trait hating love for femininity as liking women.
Liking bishies is perfectly fine, nobody would think you like women if you weren't constantly sperging out over muscles. The problem is you.
No. 2536998
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>>2536994Cool thanks
>>2536996I have a smelly neet boy fetish, so that does tie into it sometimes since they're malnourished from never leaving their room.
No. 2537008
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To offer an olive branch to the pro ana boy fujos, I'll admit that a lot of BL artists really can't draw muscles.
No. 2537009
>>2537007Women have eyes. Men will call
you fat.
No. 2537012
>>2537009>women have eyesyou are calling fridge bodies fatsos not fat so you clearly need glasses
>men will call you fati dont give a shit what men think
No. 2537013
>>2537012Then why bring it up as a gatcha? Was I supposed to care what men think? Going back on it now is stupid.
But you're right, I should have said
most women since you have some sort of mucky ana infection going on.
No. 2537019
>>2537017Defending men? You're the one constantly bringing them up. I like what I like because I like it and I just find it retarded that a single picture of abs is worth sperging out.
You seem to be doing this because "men, men, men! Men say this, men do that, why can't you be like men? Uh, actually I don't care what men say about me!"
Man, shut up.
No. 2537022
>>2537020I'm not giving a new retarded definition for fat that includes "not fat" just because you need it to keep sane.
I'm not asking you to call your bishie attraction anything, fair is fair, so fuck off with your "I'm too autistic to handle preferences I don't like so it must be known as a degenerate fetish".
No. 2537028
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>>2537025>>2537027The only thing that's degenerating are your brains, seems like you dont know what fat actually is so hope this helps.
No. 2537061
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>>2536914Not involved in this fight but it reminded me that brits call this body type ''brick shithouse'' kekk
No. 2537200
>>2537195The starving child in question
>>2536940 fatfags act like this and then wonder why anons take the piss on them and bully their fat husbandos when they call anything that isnt morbidly obese starving
No. 2537204
>>2537200Nta that guy is muscular. I think anon is talking about the schizo who thinks
>>2536933 is fat. That person is probably baiting.
No. 2537227
>>2537212You're baiting or insane. That's what 90% of the men in
>>>/g/507540 look like.
No. 2537228
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Someone get a mobility scooter for this morbidly obese man, he clearly doesn't know what a salad is!
No. 2537233
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>>2537227no? those guys have a waist. Are you really so blind you think picrel is comparable to that fatty. Anons posted a guy with a similar build to that fatty and everyone called him fat
>>>/g/545748 No. 2537265
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this feels pedophilic
No. 2537311
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>>2537233Anon this image is obviously shooped. Look at how his neck bulges out at the waterline, how his nipples are two completely different shapes, and how they edge of his chest is all weird and ripple-y.
No. 2538857
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Why is it so hard for antifujos to understand that 2 men are better than 1? its so simple and yet they seem completly oblivious to the fact that maybe women dont want to see pussy in their porn.
No. 2538892
>>2538880Instead of gambling the chance of a woman that is not you taking 80% of the focus, you get a man in frame either way.
Tbh when masturbating, don't you focus in on stuff like chest, face, dick anyway? More dudes just means more material.
No. 2538914
>>2538888I'm not a TIF
>>2538890>>2538892Eh, not how I enjoy it. I don't really watch/read porn much anyway. I just look at it for fantasizing ideas sometimes.
>>2538910I could never date a bi guy, just a total turn off even in fiction.
No. 2538959
>>2538910Obnoxious blog but as a bifag I would
never date a bisexual man, I've met 3 of them against my will and they were ALL creepy annoying perverts.
No. 2539074
>>2538880i really dont get this line of thinking. you never could have fucked the cartoon anime boy in the first place
>>2538890got called autistic in a previous thread for pointing this out
No. 2540788
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This is fujoism in a nutshell. performing mental gymnastics to prove that a fanon mlm ship has chemistry but will shit on canon ships, artificially projecting their sexuality onto fictional characters who are canonically straight and then thinking that heterosexuality in real life is boring because it doesn't compare to the fictional romances they imagine as gay.
No. 2540821
>>2540803Fact is any canon pairing is forced to be slow to fit into the pace of the story while other relationships aren't as tied down by plot, they're free to have more natural chemistry.
It's not like it wasn't the case with Hinata/Sakura, Rukia/Orihime, Frog/Gravity (though the author did his damndest to kill that one off), Rei/Asuka/Mari, every harem anim will have people with nothing better to do continue to complain about canon ends for years.
Canon pairings as the most popular are rare and only really happen when there's only that allowed.
No. 2540849
>>2540380>>2540689They're the most autistic moralfags I've ever seen in my life. Half the time I don't even know what they're so
triggered about.
No. 2541213
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fandom discourse thread bingo
No. 2542011
>>2541213That's more of a bingo for
this thread than for fandom discourse.
No. 2542015
>>2540788Did you not actually look at the posts you screencapped and posted?
>performing mental gymnastics to prove that a fanon mlm ship has chemistryThe second panel is literally criticizing people who ship two characters who have never interacted and don't have chemistry just because they're hot. The person is evenhandedly criticizing and agreeing with fujos on different points. Damn some of you are so belligerent you can't even recognize when someone agrees with you on something.
No. 2542652
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>>2536881>This is so autistic, monsters arent masculine either because they arent real Wow. Instantly aggressive? They can be masculine
because it's fiction. If you slap a six pack and massive pecs on cthulhu, it's masculine. But we can pretend that isn't the case if it makes you feel more comfortable. That is simply how I prefer things.
>Most women find physical masculine traits disgusting(things like beards, super roided bodies, rugged faces, balding or very short hair, body hair, etc) that is an objective truth. >MostNonna… LC isn't an accurate representation of the world…
But honestly, I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say with this post? The things you listed as masculine traits are moreso things that happen to moids. I am in agreeance with you that it definitely feels like a psyop to insist that women that're into bishies are "lesbians" though.
No. 2542761
>>2536881Never heard of coding? Monsters possess traditionally masculine features like aggressive, muscles, and deep voices. Is it that weird for straight/bi women to find monsters attractive?
>most women find physical masculine traits disgusting(things like beards, super roided bodies, rugged faces, balding or very short hair, body hair, etc) I'm begging you to go outside, nonna. Women don't share the same preferences in men besides a few overlaps like hygiene, bone structure, and hair.
No. 2543283
>>2542652I mean it's true, if you look at what's overwhelmingly popular and proffitable with women its always young fit men that are hairless and ''feminine'' think kpop, LADS, kdramas, bishies, pretty boys etc. I dont know why you are trying to deny the fact that most women are attracted to pretty men instead of faggot looking tryhards. I am sorry
nonny but you are in the minority.
No. 2543311
>>2543283Nona, its a nice bubble you're in and I'm part of it but it's still a bubble.
Lets be realistic, 90% of women have no idea what the fuck LADS is.
No. 2543327
>>2540788I don't believe fandom hates hetslop and hetshippers as much as it claims to when gendies are running the whole show. I promise you that woman could have any number of misogynistic barefoot and pregnant tropes and half assed writing but if she was a trans man or a gendie it would instantly become a 10/10 ship for so many people kek
Fandom is mostly straight women. I don't know why fandom got memed so long as a queer space when women have to constantly be on the back foot to enjoy anything fujo or hetshipper. Autism.
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>you think normalfag women dont have standards?
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Pretty accurate
No. 2544210
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The toxic yaoi tag on tumblr makes me buy into the ugly male psyop.
No. 2544246
>>2544210Why do I get the vibe that the artist can't handle actual
toxic yaoi with bishies instead of ugly round blobs who say rude things to each other kek
No. 2544250
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>>2544238Yes.
>>2544246muh fetishization
No. 2544254
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>>2544250billford is the safe edgy version of billdip featuring featuring fat hairy uggos
No. 2544267
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>>2544254Agreed, I was never into shipping gravity falls characters but at least billdip fujos drew them as cute boys instead of ugly balding scrotes kek.
No. 2544280
>>2544275t. ugly scrote enjoyer
even comparing billdip to billford fanart has bill humanized into a pretty bishounen vs a ugly dying of old age scrote.
No. 2544286
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>>2544282Small dicks, billdip Bill would never.
No. 2544489
>>2544280nta but
>the characters in this ship have actual history with each other which gives them more chemistry and gives you an actual reason to ship them>reee but the fanart isn’t bishie enough!1!1i’m a tourist in this thread so forgive me for even having to ask but are all fujos this retarded on purpose
No. 2544586
>>2544541Nta but I genuinely believe that it happened like this:
>A fangirl has hobbies and genuine interests>Other men and women target her for this because these people want to be bullies and pick an easy target >Sometimes it's moids looking to hate on an easy female target>Sometimes it's other female nerds who do this because of the whole "recognition of the self's negative traits through the other" and then projecting that self hatred onto the other, like how fat people with EDs will hate on other fat people but normies don't give a shit.>The online becomes saturated with these bullies>Coincides with the internet having less forums so everyone is lumped together on the same websites (see the phrase "this post broke containment.")>Irony poisoning settles in where no one actually likes anything they're partaking in because that means it hurts less when being targeted for bullying/harassment>To be inauthentic is the best defense mechanism >To cope with this total lie they really push the narrative that they actually like [Thing that only someone selfhating would like, like being trans or being attracted to ugly men] and everyone else should too because misery loves company and if they're gonna be unhappy then so are you.You can tell tifs don't actually like these baldfat moids because I see them in the comments section of BL manga and webtoons either reviewing the comics, or arguing with each other over who is the more true and honest gay man. I saw one tif, under a mid webtoon, commenting "I'M SO FUCKING GAY" and a second one responding "You sure about that sweetheart?" Like kek both of you are straight women reading a comic for straight women, stfu.
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>>2544578Why wouldn’t you just ship billdip then instead of the ship with a guy in his 70s
No. 2544622
>>2544612Fujoshi was always a nerd hobby meant for people already invested in comics.
Interpreting canon was always a huge part of it, the fact it's slowly getting lost because "so autistic ugh" is very sad.
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>>2544522>>2544586Tifs really do have a superiority complex over "liking" ugly fat old men. I think they are insecure about being a straight woman and have low self-esteem so they nlog over liking uggos as if it's a badge of honor. The same tifs try to show off how much they like bara and other gay male things to prove how gay they are. They're also mostly fat and short and doughy themselves too
>>2544578Why do I have to be convinced to draw a better version of a canonically ugly old character?
No. 2544632
>>2544622Should add, this was swperate from the GF shit but it's pathetic that, instead of actually going at it from a "which dynamics are better/what has more effort" it's just calling each other tifs and moralfagging about pedo/fat.
It's all so lame.
No. 2544667
>>2544632>complains about moralfagging>is the one moralfaggingI mean you are doing the exact same shit you are complaining about. Just let people enjoy their yaoishit in peace, everything was so peaceful and people would ship ugly 3dpd, characters that hated eachother and characters from opposite universes before the tif plague. Some of the most popular yaoi ships from when i was a teen on DA would be considered
problematic now(ZaDr, kyman, sebasciel, sasunaru, gonxkillua, etc).
No. 2544687
>>2544683If you don't actually give a shit about nerd shit you aren't a nerd, that's not moralfagging, that's just a fact. It's not even really a bad thing, being a nerd isn't particularly that big of a deal. You just like the look.
>Trying to dictate how others enjoy something is the reason why modern fandoms are so boringThis part is hilarious considering the context tbh
No. 2544699
>>2544682I am nta but as someone who was in the gf fandom back then, it definetly was the ''safe horny'' version of billdip. GF released during the transitional period between wholesome chungus tumblr fangirl autism and the tranny moralfag infestation. Bill was one of the very first ''tumblr sexy man'', back when tumblr was cringe and free and women had fun turning random characters into pretty bishies. Then the moralfaggots started claiming tumblr sexy men were bad ackshually because they promoted hegemonic white beauty and the whole anti shit started, thus young girls in the fandom who were pretty much bullied for liking bishies started gravitating towards safe, tumblr acceptable ways to express their heterosexuality.
>>2544689>physical qualities of the characters would you play an otome with ugly characters, be honest. Would you seriously be able to look past the physical qualities of a character and play ugly shit like validate? because if you can understand why otomefags dont want to date ugly vitiligo trannies, then you should be able to understand why someone doesnt want to waste time reading about ugly characters, specially since there is already a similar dynamic in the show with less repulsive looking characters.
No. 2544710
>>2544689I'd argue most shounen ships had more than just "hate propping up hot characters fucking each other".
>>2544699>would you play an otome with ugly characters, be honestNta but that wasn't her point. In an otome game, you're not just smashing the skip dialogue button in order to get to sex right? You read through characters, think about the dynamics, the charm points. Brushing that as not important because "they're hot so idgaf" is boring and leads to shit discussion because all you got is a jpg and "mine hot> tif uggo".
No. 2544717
>>2544714So the only difference for you between a good otome game and Validate are how hot the characters are?
You seriously think writing wise, it's all the same? Doesn't seem like you like otome much at all, in that case.
No. 2544730
>>2544720nta but this was more concerning shipping in fandoms where the media wasn’t hand crafted for your sexuality and and calling out the retardation of saying things like this
>>2544267 anw
No. 2544737
>>2544734>Otherwise these people wouldnt have problems shipping yurishit or shotashit or anything else they arent into. Why do you keep bringing this up as a way to catch people? My point to begin with is despite arguing for Dipper, you were just complaining about tifs and moralfagging about being attacked instead of actually talking about Dipper or any of the dynamics involved between him and the pyramid.
Atp, I'm not sure you
can actually talk about it because you're avoiding it so badly.
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>>2544738>But we both know you wouldnt play shit like validate no matter how good the writing is>no matter how good the writing is>goodAre you fucking serious.
No. 2544743
>>2544740*was
oh no i made a typo, i lost the internet slapfight.
No. 2544747
>>2544741>Because you keep claiming ''muh x dynamic is better'' but it's almost the same dynamic with different characters.Never did, this thread is public.
>If you think dynamic is all that matters then why do you have such a problem with people shipping billdipper instead of billford? I don't.
>Bill literally posseses Dipper in an episode, you cant get more yaoibait than that.I wanted this the whole time. The lack of this is what I was complaining about. If people want to argue ships, argue on dynamics and not on if its pedo/tif.
No. 2544752
>>2544747Ok but the original anon WAS claiming billford is better than billdipper because billdipper is pedo or some shit.
>>2544275>>2544746How do you even bishify an old man? the reason why shit like south park can get bishified its because the characters are basically stick figures. You can add kyle's hat to a generic anime boy and then it turns into kyle. With ford and stan you actively have to make them look old for them to look like the characters, and not everyone is into old men.
No. 2544757
>>2544750>>2544752They're two different characters, aren't they? Argue why Dipper has more to back it up instead of bringing up trannies.
Other anon should argue why Stan or Ford or whatever has more to it than just "reeee dipper is child". I'm just tired when ship arguments are the exact same moralfagging "tif uggo pedo" argument over and over across different series.
That it feels so shallow, was my original point.
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>>2544757I dont have to defend my taste i just like it because i do.
No. 2544775
>>2544752I'm other anon, I find it better when characters have an established history with each other prior to the show's canon. And what
>>2544768 says about it all coming from supplementary material made it more of like a fun secret to unravel. nothing to do with character ages or them needing to be cute boys
No. 2544776
>>2544767Just sounds like its kinda boring then.
>>2544768>Supplementary materialLike… with grunkle fujobait or just like normal story that gets interpretated as such?
No. 2544780
>>2544775Not into Gravity Falls myself but I get that, there's something about digging that feels really fun when you get a good gold nugget of info.
Once, I found a full on brocon subplot hidden in 4-5 short side stories where one kissed the other (on the hand but still) that was a good day.
No. 2544783
>>2544776No one shipped Bill and Ford before the book came out, the amount of “reject tradition embrace modernity” memes I’ve seen comparing billdip to billford as well as them taking the aesthetics from billdip (such as using human Bill designs that were frequently used in fan art while the show was running) just tells me that they’re repackaging the same ship but with a guy in his 70s instead of a 12 year old.
Them constantly tagging it as “
toxic yaoi” also tells me that their shippers are into safe edgy (NO UNDERAGED, INCEST OR OVERLY
PROBLEMATIC SHIPS) while trying to larp as an edgy fujoshi.
Also Billdip just gets much much much better fanart. Really telling that the original anon had to call women pedos in order to cope with having gendie blobs.
No. 2544790
>>2544789It’s pretty much the same thing as Bill and Dipper, nothing that I would call actual bait but enough to where shippers can come up with something.
There aren’t really western kids cartoons that have fujobait.
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>>2544804blue lock, though more because the first fujo ship became irrelevant.
No. 2544816
>>2544814he’s the cutest one though…
I dropped blue lock when the pros got introduced because I’m not that into sports manga (friends at the time begged me to read it).
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>>2544828Never watched/read it but the doujins are hot as hell.
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Imagine being more based when you were 12 kek
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>>2544848>I did watch it because of the doujinsI honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's most people overseas kek.
Only sports anime I've watched in full is sk8 (I'll be watching season 2 if it ever comes out) but I wanna watch initial D at some point since someone said it's similar in format to sk8 and I like the soundtrack (not sure how big it is fujo wise though).
No. 2544863
>>2544855Ngl I gave MFGhost a try and it was a no from me, maybe Initial D is better.
I've watched/read a fair amount of sports but I'm ashamed for not watching Slam Dunk or Oofuri yet. I've been meaning to, but I've never gotten around to it.
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>>2545143I assume they are into yaoi, where the uke is hyper feminist, but they will call it a "femboy". Both fujos and moids seem to be obsessed with calling child rape
victims "femboys" for some reason.
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why are fujo women more mentally ill on average than female yurifags?
No. 2545326
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>>2545143Men literally contributed to the first yaoi magazine and had their own illustrated porn magazines, why do zoomers always make this shit up
No. 2545449
>>2545143>tranny vtuber Why
>>2545435Bakudeku wasn't the only ship as people here seem to make it out to be to begin with, for some reason nobody ever mentions KiriBaku.
No. 2545492
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>>2544828Oofuri is better imo
No. 2545500
>>2544804Like, in terms of popularity, or just when the characters were introduced?
>>2545496>>2545449Bakudeku was probably the "first" thing people shipped in BNHA but I always preferred Kiribaku because Kirishima is hotter and less annoying than Midoriya kek. Plus I prefer Bakugou as a bottom and Bakudeku shippers make him the top 90% of the time.
No. 2545513
>>2545500>Kirishima is hotter Fuck no he’s got shark teeth
I don’t think anyone in BNHA is hot but Kirishima is definitely not hotter.
No. 2545542
>>2545540Probably.
You don’t see that many fighting game fujos outside of Japan though….
No. 2545570
>>2545561So in order to be a trap a character has to always be crossdressing in your opinion? Eh I guess that’s consistent enough for me to agree that it’s not appealing to most fujos then (there’s still gonna be some who are into it though just because there’s so many fujoshis).
To me a trap character can just be a character who crossdresses and looks like a woman in one scene (ie: lelouch could fall under trap) but I also get the argument for your definition of it.
No. 2545573
>>2545570>lelouch is a trapwild take
nonny kek
>>2545572yeah but its still not porn
nonny wtf kek
No. 2545579
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>>2545573>wild take nonny kek Anime said it originally not me kek
No. 2545590
>>2545583>There is a reason why moids dont jack off to lelouchDude there’s gotta be some moids who jerk off to lelouch crossdressing (they were super into this character in the video after all)
But fine I’ll accept your terms on what qualifies as a trap.
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>>2545513The shark teeth are part of what makes him hotter you philistine. It contrasts with his kind and sweet personality. Also he made his lame quirk into something cool on his own, unlike Midoriya whose idol walked into his life, gave him superpowers, and became his personal trainer.
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>>2545527Shoco's Kiribaku djs are kino.
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>>2545592I don’t like Deku either but shark teeth are hideous
>>2545596Maid outfits are way more popular with fujos over ballgowns kek, name any popular semi fujo character and they’ve definitely been drawn in a maid costume.
No. 2545614
>>2545606>and being emasculatedThat’s debatable since characters like the blend s guy are pretty smug about it.
>Are you an angry trapfag or why are you so pissed.I’m not pissed and I’m not into traps intended for men, I just think there’s more overlap of it in fujo spaces than people here would like to admit (for some reason, I don’t see the issue personally with having one of them crossdress for fanservice).
No. 2545620
>>2545615Official manga art wise, they're hotter than the JJK guys.
I'm sorry but Gege wasn't much of an artist.
No. 2545639
>>2545635You could have said HXH and I’d be willing to give it some leeway because of hair down Hisoka but
>dr stoneGirl what are you smoking
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>>2545639I got a thing for black scars, idk
No. 2545672
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>>2545629 Sometimes being here is like being trapped in a mental asylum
No. 2545679
>>2545625Season 1 and JJK0 looked meh, the second season looks really good though. I know the third season will have the same character designer so it should look good as well. I just hope they won't make Higuruma ugly.
>His art alone sucksHis art is very good for action scenes but it's all chicken scratches, and even his hand writing is unreadable at times. I know that a lot of people joke about how he should draw a BL manga because of the fujobait you can find in some scenes but it wouldn't work at all with his art style, especially when the canonically hot guys in JJK look wonky half of the time. I enjoyed the manga a lot but some of the covers look like shit to the point where even Gojo fangirls were laughing at the volume 26 cover and I don't see myself buying an eventual artbook.
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>>2545710Legit, and such a shit opinion at that. Shark teeth characters are the cutest
No. 2546173
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>>2545720Depends on the character's overall cuteness. Left makes me close my browser while right is my beloved ♥
No. 2546188
>>2545195That's because men who are into femboys
are pedophiles.
No. 2547489
>>2547473Uke ≠ femboy.
As someone mentioned, Bakugo was an uke in KiriBaku. He is not a femboy.
No. 2547991
>>2547984>muh female authors muh female genreWhat do you get out of lying. Genuine question what do you get out of being a lying piece of shit. Do you yurifags even watch Yuri content or try to consume it?
Most Yuri content is fetish bait for mods and the small percentage of women who consume it are pickmes like yuripedo who got doxed.
The only normal Yuri I saw was in Korean but Korean Yuri is very small genre. Meanwhile Japanese Yuri…..no comment.
No. 2547996
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You know what's funny women they to control each other's sexuality and shake each other for every thing case in point the women molding at fujos.
Meanwhile some of these anons white fathers are jerking off to disabled Asian girls and no one cares.(weird spamposting/racebait)
No. 2548050
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>>2548042Yeah what I'm saying is a lot of them aren't fanservicy like that at all. I don't care about fujos either they're fine, I'm not one of the anons sperging about them
>>2547993I forgot to answer this but Bloom into You/YagaKimi is a pretty popular one, written by a woman, no fanservice.
No. 2548086
>>2548075Nta, "pure" is not right but "filtered" might work.
As anime goes, the fact that it's gay men but also written by women makes it so it's inpalatable for the majority of audiences.
It filters pretty much everybody out but women and few gay guys, so the end result might be the most "purely one sex" in its demographic.
Women will read moid loli hentai, men will read shoujo and yuri, but both types probably find yaoi disgusting.
No. 2548266
>>2547984people always say this as cope but there are so many men who love yuri. there is an entitre group of TIMs so obsessed with yuri they think they are lesbians. it may have started as for women but a lot of yuri now is coomer shit for moids.
>>2548238i was convinced by those idiots years ago to check it out as i was told it was totally not yaoi, it was a horror thriller. i like horror and dark themes. i don't care if others like it but it's just rape yaoi lol. i don't see how anyone could enjoy it and not also be into yaoi/bl.
No. 2548327
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>>2548313Give me your best loveydovey recs.
No. 2548364
This is about books but this gay moid is complaining that m/m romance books written by women are better liked and more popular among women than books written by other gay moids.
No. 2548402
>>2548364This video is funny purely bc I’ve read the other authors he’s mentioned and they’re not as popular simply because they’re not as romantically fulfilling. There’s very little development for the romance in “They Both Die At The End” compared to the female authors he’s mentioned, and I’ve only read TJ Klune’s werewolf series but again the prose kinda took away from the romance being developed (my opinion tho ik plenty of anime fujos who loved that series but he’s also ‘
problematic’ which plays a bigger role than the dude speaking claims). I also think his claim that people accused him of writing CP because fujos can’t handle the male characters wanting each other sexually is crazy. RWB, AFTG, and TCP are series that make the sexual attraction between the characters pretty clear and they’re pretty popular and have consistent fan bases. It’s possible he just wrote about anemas and fujos found that gross kek.
No. 2548404
>>2548364God forbid women make more money than moids at
one goddamn thing. And this isn't even just the case for gay shit, the whole romance writing genre is female-dominated, because as you can imagine, most of the customers are female and women know how to cater to other women. This guy is also just clearly seething with jealousy that whatever slop he wrote didn't sell as well as Heartstopper. Newsflash idiot: fiction writing is not a meritocracy. The Fifty Shades books are literal Twilight fanfics with the serial numbers filed off, but they sold gangbusters. I don't think Heartstopper is particularly good, either (I can think of several better gay graphic novels written by women) but I have to imagine it did better because it was actually marketed. I've never heard of this guy or his shitty book about a heckin'
valid kweer latinxxxx and now that I know he's a jealous misogynistic prick, I'm definitely not going to read it.
There's an author I like, Ngozi Ukazu, and she's a straight woman who writes m/m, but twats like Aceves don't dare criticize her, because she's Nigerian and she outranks them on the progressive stack kek. It's a shame that's what it takes, though.
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>>2548364>The guy who promo'd onlyfans to his teenage female audience wrote a F/F seriesInteresting!
No. 2548410
>>2548364>there's nowhere near the amount of lesbian novels written by menLmao, the amount of lesbian porn or lesbian fanservice in media? Men don't read romantic novels
>waaaah this was written by a women, so problematic!! you must self-flagellate for being a straight women writing a romance novel and kiss ass at all times for anything jealous kweer authors and the woke mob criticize you for!Okay cool can gay men stop with the misogynistic drag queen shit then or stop calling each other bitches and fish and cunt?
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one of my old personal cows is a fujo cosplayer, she has been wearing lingerie and skimpy outfits for almost a decade and claims that thee cosplay's are of male characters and she seems to really believe it. so to fujos who claim the uke is absolutely not meant to be a woman, apply the same reasoning here?
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She's seething again
No. 2549990
>>2549958this is what the
>>2545306 original post was. learn how to read chain replies retard. anyway, could you answer the question? why are fujos (FYI fujos are XX female) more likely to be mentally ill coomer trannies than the average hime (also XX females)?
No. 2550037
>>2549990I like gay stuff on the side but never thought about becoming a man nor slapping a troon label on myself. There's other reasons like misogyny or lack of good countermeasures over wanting to troon out. If BL could lead to TIFs, why is it that most japanese fujos are still women while younger gens in the west troon out at higher rates? Even if they do exist in places like japan, they're so rare that no one can know until they dig in deeper.
>>2549992She's probarly a seething hetfag who's favorite husbando got shipped with another guy kek.
No. 2550178
>>2549990More women are into yaoi than women are into yuri. More women, more variety of people into it.
Trans representation as a sex is also several times more likely to actually show up in yuri than it does in yaoi.
No. 2550198
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>>2550197Any examples? The only ones I know are the artist for a samurai manga (forgot the name) that was bait but not actually yaoi, and the artist for Meet me at the Food Court, but that artist draws yuri fanservice cgdct.
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>>2550198The author of "I'm in Love with the Villainous" is said to be either trans or intersex and it does have a mtf in the story, but that's yuri this aspect of the demographic doesn't count.
No. 2550246
>>2550234"You wouldn't know about my example" isn't an example.
>>2550202I think things should be fair. If people are bringing up tiktok cosplayers, random tweets, and no name "examples", then how come 40-50% of the yuri fandom isn't fair game?
No. 2550285
>>2550201I can remember a few more
> Yuu Watase: identifies as "X-gender" which is Japanese version of nb, author of Fushigi Yuugi, comically enough is ok with she/her in English > Gaku Keito: TIF, author of "Boys Run the Riot"> Shou Arai: "FtM//FtX, agender, intersex (Turner syndrome), and pansexual" as per bakaupdates, wrote "At 30, I Realized I Had No Gender", married to her "gay man" assistant which I'm pretty sure is another TIF> PESUYAMA Poppy: nb, wrote "Until I Love Myself: The Journey of a Nonbinary Manga Artist"> Asuka Miyazaki: another X-gender self-hating lesbian who made a manga literally named "X-gender". Probably the only one I found who wasn't into BL at all No. 2550309
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>>2550285Samefag, just found out that author of "I want to be a wall" (asexual libfem fujos on twitter are constantly shilling this) added troon flag to her bio, I always knew this was coming considering how cringe her fujo self insert in the manga was.
>>2550302I'm not surprised either kek. It's always the ones with internalized misogyny
No. 2550324
>>2550319Still "
the only true" fujos who trooned out
No. 2550327
>>2550324None of them seem like they just did fujo though? Fushigi Yugi was shoujo and had yuri too.
This seems much more likely that they used Twitter too much tbh.
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>>2549879if anything the only scrotes I see that get pissed off at yuri are schizo waifufags that cannot see their waifu showing affection for someone else even if its another woman because its "cucked". In a way, moids sort of have their own version of yume vs fujo slapfights kek
No. 2550563
>>2550285>Gaku Keito: TIF, author of "Boys Run the Riot"For the very few pages I've seen of this manga I'm not surprised if that's true. I bet the MC is her self-insert, and if that's true it's safe to assume the mangaka is a massive retard. There's a scene in the manga where the PC starts sperging outside because her male friend/classmates don't want to hang out with her as much as they used to, they're all starting puberty, growing older so the boys only want to hang out with each other. So she starts sperging that she's just like them for real, removes her skirt in front of them outside, notices she has blood on her hand and it's the start of her period. Obviously the guys rightfully freak out and run away after seeing this schizo undress in public to prove she's physically just like a guy but we're supposed to feel bad for her. Later she gets a part time job in a restaurant and the boss tells her she's hecking
valid, stunning and brave an he can relate to her struggle because he was born and raised in Japan but is Korean and he has to hide that to avoid racism.
>>2550285>intersex (Turner syndrome)iirc Turner syndrome is when you only have one X chromosome instead of two, it would still very obvious she's a woman and most likely a very short one too depending on her medical treatment when growing up.
No. 2550605
>>2550576I think it's not that deep, they saw vocal millennials online talking about troon rights at a time when everyone saw them as harmless gay men who transition to have an easier life, then it became a lot more mainstream because of gay marriage becoming legal in the US and several European countries around the same time so activists focused more on trans rights and Bruce Jenner trooned out very publicly. When you're young you're more likely to believe what older people will tell you, you're most likely educated to believe older people learned more things than you and know what they're talking about, they wouldn't talk out of their ass otherwise, right? So zoomers are less likely to look for info and sources on the matter even if they're curious because they'll believe they're already educated on that topic. I noticed a lot of zoomers, including anons here, will tell you they only peaked after a period when they were TRA or at least didn't have strong opinions on the matter. I'm not trying to insult zoomers, it's just part of growing up and applies to many other things in general.
>>2550586According to what I've seen online, yes. Especially with the Blue Archive anime and the male MC/self insert being a cute young man to prevent yurifags from believing they're the target audience, allegedly.
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>>2550717He's not handsome though, he's really generic. If he looked like a twisted wonderland bishie moids would kill themselves. He's meant to be plain and non threatening. Fun fact he's the only human male character in BA, ba pedos are so insecure they had to make all the other male characters furries or robots.
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>>2549959>This is what she's seething overI genuinely think she's heavy on the spectrum
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>>2542017you don't want to play this game since the average fujo has the same bmi as the average male lolicon
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>>2550037>She's probarly a seething hetfag who's favorite husbando got shipped with another guy kek.Seems like it's this one kek, interestingly not the first person I've seen seething over Zoisite from sailor moon being gay.
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>>2550993As if sailor moon villains aren't more fun when they're campy as opposed to generic monster of the week characters or generic love interests for the senshi like in the manga
Sorry I'll take Zoisite and Fisheye being okamas and Mimete being a crazy fangirl over "miracle romance" any day of the week.
>the first bl manga was made at least a decade before sailor moon ever releasedTwo actually, the first BL manga is from the 70s.
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>rather than the super-cool superior males the comic was intended for.
Hetalia was pretty clearly always intended for women and gay guys who like moe.
>Countryballs is superior to hetalia
This is just a retarded take
No. 2551408
>>2551015>self-hating wet blanket fujoshi, rather than the super-cool superior malesAnd we're supposed to be the misogynists according to this obviously autistic pick me hetfag?
>>2551394If Junjo Romantica is too
problematic for you, then you should be filtered out of anime
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>Real life fujoshis can actually be pretty gross in their treatment of real men gay or straight
Thousands of men are scared to go outside after a fujo said they looked gay
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>>2551394Videos make memes like this so eyeroll worthy, yuri fans immediately shit on yaoi and fujoshi to make themselves feel better by comparison.
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>>2551451my reaction when a moid has to feel 1/100th of the sexualization and harassment a girl does
No. 2551470
>>2551461Nta but "you should be filtered out of anime" and "you're a facist" are at two incredibly different levels.
I'm pretty sure anon just meant that if
that is enough to freak you the fuck out then anime in general is probably going to freak you the fuck out.
No. 2553621
>>2553617Pretty sure there's a "yurislayer" chart specifically made to piss himejoshi/yurifags off.
Iirc they didn't forgive Kyoani for having a male love interest in Hibike Euphonium and they either pretend he doesn't exist at all or crap on the story.
No. 2553628
>>2553617I have only seen fujos start to be straight up misogynistic. A female character close to the MC will either become a flanderised turbo-shipper according to fanon or an absolute “bitch”.
Acting like this is a universal thing is disingenuous. I’m sure you’ve seen how in some fandoms all male characters will be liked to varying degrees since they’re shippable while female characters either don’t exist (fine by me, you like who you like), flanderised or are demonised by shippers (what starts to get grating). There’s nothing wrong with hating on a character but
personally it upsets me when specifically there is a sexist edge to it and sometimes it’s like they enjoy all piling on her. I just don’t understand how you can also be a woman and still be ok with calling a character, however fictional, a whore for example - if the character had
actually done something wrong it would say a lot about you imo but still understandable. But when they haven’t it really is uncomfortable.
No. 2553641
>>2553628>I have only seen fujos start to be straight up misogynisticThen you haven't been around long. People to this day
still despise Orihime and Sakura. Shoujo
still has the "evil woman that gets her just deserts", even men will go on a "that fucking bitch" sperg out everytime another woman or mam enters the picture in a romcom or harem.
Because it's normal to fight for a ship and not like other ships. It's always been a part of shipping culture. What's new is the need to morality it into "misogyny/homophobia" when really it's "Your ship has no chemistry", "I don't like gay shit", "That's not my self insert".
No. 2553644
>>2553641>Orihime and SakuraWhere are these from?
>even menWell… duh? Moids are not exactly the paragon of being non-misogynistic kek. Of course moids are misogynistic to female characters as well.
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>>2553609I feel so diconnected from some fujo "friends" because of this. They fully deny the female character hating by fujos, and even the more self aware ones handwave it as "something only 12 year fujos do". I saw a discussion about this on fujochan too where these exact points were being made along with "it's misogyny to criticize fujos", but in the same breath they admitted that they only dislike the "useless whores", not the ass-kicking girl bosses. They do not understand that they have not moved beyond their 12 year old mindset, they just learned to use feminism to mask it.
Personally I have found that women who engage in every type of media (with the strongest focus on female oriented media like shoujo josei bl) tend to not engage in such weirdness as much. I used to be a shoujo manga reader/otome gamer only but have made a lot friends in BL fandoms in the last couple of years, and I've found that almost everyone above a certain age has issues with the portrayal of female characters in media. The more well-adjusted ones learn to curate their content by avoiding obviously misogynistic bullshit works and still read/watch/play stuff with interesting female mcs, but the ones who actually have an internalized blanket hatred of women go like "I will never watch an anime/read a manga/play a game with a female mc" They try to convince others that it's because
>"female characters are sexualized!!"While completely ignoring any recommendations that don't have sexualized female characters. Or they give the recommendation a cursory glance then constantly nitpick at every perceived flaw of the female characters while shipping the male characters together. These people are still stuck in their tumblr era of "het relationships are icky" and it shows. Even as someone who frequently drops manga/anime/games because of sexist and poorly written het relationships, I find their pearl-clutching behavior super fake and annoying, especially when they do this to shows that aren't even about romance. Why are you looking for gay sex in a sfw comedy anime about high schoolers doing club activities? Just read some nsfw bl and get it out of your system.
Before anyone fails reading comprehension and starts coming at me for "hating women for enjoying bl" I literally just finished watching 2 guys kiss and say sappy shit to each other in nu carnival 5 minutes ago. I just don't think my tastes puts me above other women in some stacymeter scale and see other genres for what they actually are, both good and bad.
No. 2553651
>>2553633The fujo in the fandom I'm in take a "that is canon, this is for fun" approach to it and are as much fans of the female characters as they are the men, even doing fanbooks for both sides. It's very "that is that and this is this."
Then again, it's on the niche side and not as fotm, which is where most of the retarded beef is focused at.
>>2553644>Where are these from?…It's a nerd thing shippers know about.
Two female love interests, one wins and gets called a bimbo, a whore, a stupid excuse for a character with no chemistry, no personality, fat tits Mary sue, the other girl should have won. Happens every time.
No. 2553672
>>2553656It's actually funny, nobody denied some fujos do it, but that its a part of shipping. A husbandofag
agrees that she does it, yurifags do it, it's happened in het plenty, but they specifically said that
only fujos do it
>>2553628, that
only fujos
hate women and everybody else just
loves female characters despite anybody on this site for more than a minute can tell that's not true in the slightest.
What type of self hate is needed to go "yup, I'm a fujo and fujos are the ones that hate female characters"?
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>>2553656>some fujo "friends">The more well-adjusted ones>the ones who actually have an internalized blanket hatred of women Obviously I am talking about one specific and loud subset of fujos. I am not ashamed of myself or my other fujo friends who don't act cringe.
As for the woman hate? Yeah it's universal. But the misuse of feminism to hate one female characters and justify their preference for gay sex? That's not something woman-hating men or yumes do.
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>>2553609>by being more canon than it isWhat if it's less canon though
No. 2553772
>>2553672I am just talking about my personal experience. I don’t doubt that all kinds of people engage in misogynistic behaviour. However, in
my experience, I have seen a
disproportionate amount of this behaviour be perpetuated by fujos/shippers. Thus far in my life I have not “yet” seen a yume or yuri stan call a woman a whore but have seen quite a couple of yaoi fans do it. I’m sure they’re out there! That is just my experience - I’m sorry if it goes against what you believe or have experienced but it still doesn’t discredit what I’ve seen. It’s why I feel as though it’s disingenuous to act like there isn’t at least maaaybe slightly more fujos that partake in misogynistic behaviour than other kinds of fans. Like at least a little, right?
>only fujos hate women and “everyone else loves female characters”If you’re going to make an argument, don’t deliberately misinterpret what is being said when you know that isn’t the case. It’s a waste of time. You’re not stupid.
>>2553664>Why are anons treating female characters like irl women that can be affected by misogynyJust as you’re allowed to dislike characters, you’re also allowed to dislike the treatment of characters. No one’s saying that you need to go to jail for it, just that sometimes things can spoil someone’s enjoyment in interacting with a fandom. If something being fictional were grounds enough to never give a fuck about it then why would all the fandom discourse threads on here exist kekk. Truth is, it’s relevant to a lot of us on here.
I mostly am bothered by the things fandoms do to fictional characters in the same way it would if they were real people, though I acknowledge that it’s not the same for everybody. I don’t like when moids treat fictional female characters with misogyny, whether that be by sexualisation or just fandom treatment, just like real women. I don’t like when loli/shotas are sexualised, even though they’re not children being abused, just like real children. I probably wouldn’t like if someone was racist to a fictional character either, just like real people. I don’t think something has to be real to say something about you. But that’s just me.
No. 2553910
>>2553772>Thus far in my life I have not “yet” seen a yume or yuri stan call a woman a whore but have seen quite a couple of yaoi fans do it. I’m sure they’re out there!Yup, they're as out there as misogynistic fujo are.
>Like at least a little, right?Nope.
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>>2553664I think it's strange. Additionally, a lot of female love interests are written so poorly I can't
help but hate them. I won't go out of my way to critique them for something I don't find objectively true, but most of the time I pretend they don't exist at all. Like Sidon's wife. I'm sure she's sweet as a muffin, but I just don't care kek.
Didn't feel like buying BoTW twice so I actually don't know shit about her.I've very rarely met a fujo who outright hated on a female character due to being female. I don't doubt it happens, I'm just more accustomed to them genderbending her, ignoring her existence, or making her the
wingman.
No. 2554304
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a fujo will look you straight in the eye and say without any hint of irony that the one at the bottom is a "male character". It's no wonder they troon out so quickly if they seriously believe that this is what men can look like.
No. 2554817
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>>2554304>It's no wonder they troon out so quickly if they seriously believe that this is what men can look like.The funny thing is that this is who modern yaoi TIFs are happy to look like
No. 2554849
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>>2554817>tifDo tifs like her works? I actually am not too sure about where they lie on it, I'd figure they're too spiteful and cynical for tifs.
No. 2554921
>>2554850they see themselves in Mamiya because he's an ugly rape
victim with substance abuse problems, ignoring that the author's fetish is making pathetic men suffer
No. 2555147
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My favorite anti fujo
No. 2555156
>>2554041ayrt shut up shut up shut up shut up I can't unsee it shut up shut up
>>2554115Not really. I'm more into the designs and the general world buildling lore. Afaik BOTW2 is dogshit in writing, but again, I didn't play it. Making derivative works based on something that is bare bones is part of the fun for me. But I
guess Ganondorf is written alright in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Zelda too, though. But, see, I don't hate Zelda or Ganondorf. I like them. A lot. Characters like the Zora prince in TP, or the dynamic of Link's family in WW is nice to me. So, to some extent, I think they can be seen as… neat?
Well written, maybe not. It's not going to move ideologies or have you questioning your own moral compass, but I enjoyed it.
What I enjoy =/= what is well-written, though. Hope that answers your question.
>>2554122This is a beautiful way to word it!
>>2554145It was hard to critique Homestuck ship dynamics back in the day because of this. I
am a fujo, but they ended up disregarding my problems with some het ships due to that. I don't see how that fucks up my credibility; if fan content writes a bitch character to be a woobie, I'm going to have a problem with it. Male or female. Cronus Ampora and Kankri Vantas come to mind.
>>2554304This art is really bad…
No. 2555159
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>>2555156>shut up I can't unsee it Alternatively…
No. 2555165
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>>2555147I wanna know how hard she seethes whenever she sees the best sellers on toranoana's women section
No. 2555184
>>2555175I think her internal logic is that fujos are basically female incels while yumes are stacies with 50 billion boyfriends
In reality both are nerds and if they do have a boyfriend he's likely also an otaku. Obviously there's exceptions to this and there do exist typical "Stacy" yumes and fujos but they're definitely a minority and even the pretty ones are more likely to be jirais.
No. 2555236
>>2555203Based and accurate. Why the fuck do people need to be at the center of every fantasy? Like damn can I just watch a man strip or do I
have to fantasize me being there physically to touch him with my hands??
No. 2555239
>>2555236Almost everytime I self insert I end up getting mad anyway
I played an eroge and self inserted as the girl topping during a yuri scene and then starting raging hard when the girl I thought was hot had sex with a man later in the game. It's kinda random with otome and me though, sometimes I self insert and sometimes I just like to ship the characters.
No. 2555987
>>2555199Being a shipper or generic non self-insert romance fan is just like playing with dolls. Writing every single romance story with a self-insert just makes them boring instead of having characters with interesting dynamics.
>>2555903She's big mad her husbando takes it up the ass in most fanworks
No. 2556336
>>2553649politicizing a women’s taste in anime is already retarded. I’m not a fujo and am a big female character fan myself but there’s honestly nothing wrong with a woman not being interested in female protagonists. it doesn’t mean they have “internalized misogyny” or whatever, it’s just a preference. disinterest is not hate. I’d rather people were just honest about their disinterest instead of trying to fake it. personally speaking when I want female protags I don’t bother with anime because it’s usually just moeslop or romance
>>2553644genuinely pointless to talk about weeb shit with someone who doesn’t even know who sakura is
No. 2556512
>>2556413I respect this. My guess is that you'll have to first either find 2D moids attractive or find a 2D moid that looks insanely like a girl. What I think psyops most borderline fujos is art quality. The sexier the art, the more it can fuck up your tastes. I used to HATE
cuntboys. Now I have a single handful of exceptions. Very,
very specific exceptions (aliens) that're closer to true hermaphrodites than anything. Like… insects? A fried of mine got meme'd into
fucking ovipositioning moids of all things due to reading some raunchy (and high quality) fiction. Not my thing, but the world's your oyster with the right gateway drug.
No. 2556984
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>>2556974Well, it's not like it was a consensual love story either tbf. It's a spiteful and sad story.
No. 2557007
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>>2556993He's a depressed mad scientist fuck up that never took care of himself, he's the same age as the uke.
>>2556984 No. 2557063
>>2555147>A yuricuck would make content for yuri-shipping womenYuricucks are sexually repressed males who cannot actually relate to women because they live in 2d worlds and rightfully feel awkward talking to lesbians. Also I have never read a sex scene written by a yuricuck that I ever felt was actually arousing. There's really no mood because they've never experienced a relationship or sex before. Yuricucks need to get a new day job and meet someone even if it kills them.
Honestly the only himedanshi I actually felt "got it" was this one (confirmed) bi animator about 10 years ago now (who I think nuked all his stuff) that made an animation to this piano-instrumental music, and the story was about a woman and a (female-looking) tree spirit. The video was really emotive to me because it was about keeping the tree spirit alive after construction cut down the tree for commercial buildings. The woman saved this near-dead spirit and they had an intense and healing cohabiting relationship before the woman took the tree spirit to somewhere she could be replanted and live on. The himedanshi himself was deeply repressed though and was an "x-jenda" (mtx) with a boyfriend and then he desisted before the word desisted was even a thing in the west. It seems only himedanshi with life experience of homophobia and same sex relationships are actually capable of producing a yuri work with any substance. Honestly have no idea where he is now but I hope he's doing well.
No. 2557084
>>2555156>they ended up disregarding my problems with some het ships due to that.Kek lemme guess, you had some run-ins with militant DaveJade autists. They woobify Jade
so bad, and flanderize Dave. The men who ship it just want to self-insert as coolguy Dave with nerdy tradwaifu Jade, and the women who ship it just want to self-insert as Jade because they want to fuck Dave. That's not everybody who likes it, obviously, but the overly defensive people specifically are like that.
No. 2557093
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>>2556413>I want to join inI mean… I guess the guys in yaoi are fantastical enough that you could theoretically get something out of it if you don't usually prefer men? But like other anons have said, if it was something you'd actually enjoy, you probably would have already gotten into it organically.
t. fujo
No. 2557099
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>>2556336>politicizing a women’s taste in animePattern recognition isn't "politicizing", totally-not-a-fujo nona. Someone's consumption of media doesn't have a direct 1:1 correlation with their irl behavior, but you can still make guesses about a person's general mindset if they are obsessed with something specific and let their obsession leak into interactions with other people. Slightly off-topic but the biggest pickme and tranny apologist I know is also continuously shilling eroge and "queer" media so it's not like I'm claiming fujo = bad, other genre enjoyers = good. The specific type of fujo I'm describing seethes at the existence of women even outside of an anime context and makes her women hatred obvious. To give more insight into my annoyance, here are a few examples of fujos in my close circle who claimed "I totally am feminist(tm) but it's just MUH preference to shit on female characters for existing"
>bi bpd chan who shat on her gf incessantly for liking non fujo media not vetted by her and in the end cut ties with us for not enjoying conflicts in everyday interactions (she acted like an infighter on lolcow 24/7 and sperged out over nothing) and also in media (she dropped stories if they didn't have a toxic dynamic)>hair-trigger temper social failure who liked to brag about being a "real fujo" for not liking anything other than BL and made it her mission to subtly neg at anyone enjoying other genres and sabotaged group viewings if they were not her taste. Also turned into a crazy proshipper or crazy antishipper on different occasions, if rapist hot in her eyes = poor blorbo never did anything bad, if rapist not her type = anyone liking that character is rape applogist and disgusting. Also loved to use bitch/slut/whore etc for both female characters and real women she didn't like>fujo TIF that whined about feeling dysphoric when looking at female characters and claimed she had to only read bl / shounen with hot men because she was a "gay man" and was too manly for other female-oriented media. Loved to draw titchop art of her fav character with a pussy thoughThere are many more examples but I'll stop here because I'm a wagie who has to return to work. So yeah, call me a fun police or whatever, but I just want to enjoy my bl in peace without fujos around me acting uppity about it and treating me like a traitor whenever I enjoy any other genre.
No. 2557540
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>>2557380(AYRT. This is a reply to everyone who responded. Thank you all. Rereading it, my post sounds like bait, but it was a completely sincere question. Perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned yaoi since my question really pertained to 3DPD ships (although of course in fanart they become 2D)).
When I was a preteen I participated in many fandoms, some of them obscure, which either featured or were entirely centred around m/m ships (South Park, Sherlock, Yuri on Ice and AoT were among the more popular ones). Certainly on some level I enjoyed m/m ships, perhaps more for the evident (canon) emotional/homosocial/homoerotic connections and tensions between the characters rather than for any imagined sexual relationships; but I think I was to some extent pretending to like them more than I did so as to fit in with almost every other girl in those fandoms. I read more self-insert fiction (usually fluff) than slash fiction. As for f/f, there weren’t many ships that interested me, for whatever reason. The only two that come to mind are Pearl/Rose and Alphys/Undyne. I have always had a strong preference for women, but as I said I am attracted to men, too. I was confused by this throughout my teenage years and even considered myself a lesbian at one point, because despite my attraction, I didn’t (and still don’t) desire PiV or typical heterosexual sex. So for a while I tried to snuff out my attraction to men and therefore also my enjoyment of m/m ships so that I could ‘legitimately’ call myself a lesbian. Yes, I was that neurotic.
I’ve distanced myself from fandoms altogether in recent years because I now have more important interests towards which I dedicate most of my energy and time. I almost feel embarrassed whenever I browse tumblr, Ao3 or /m/ threads because it feels so juvenile to enjoy what is at the end of the day self-indulgent escapism. But almost invariably, the female friends I make irl are into all of that stuff, and get so much out of it, and I don’t respect them any less for enjoying it. So I wonder whether I should stop considering myself as being above fandom and shipping, and indulge in it once again - this time without any misgivings about my attraction to men, with more confidence in my illustrative and literary abilities, and having come to accept that it can just be a bit of fun (that is, it won’t necessarily distract me from achieving my irl goals). But I certainly don’t want to come across like I’m forcing or faking an interest just to become closer to my friends. At most they have been the catalyst for me to start thinking about shipping again.
Incidentally I began watching Twin Peaks two nights ago and I don’t think I’ve ever been more obsessed with a ship than with Truman/Cooper kekSorry for the blog post. I will take a ‘No1Curr’ ban if the mods see fit. But perhaps my ‘outsider’ perspective will provide more variety to the discussions itt. Thank you again nonas
No. 2557791
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picrel won bl of the year and is getting an anime adaptation, this is just pedophilia
No. 2557823
>>2557791Bit nitpicky and it doesn't really matter but it didn't win "bl of the year". It won the "next generation award". Bl award for comics was something else.
>>2557809>I would love for you to try and explain the premise of it to a normie and watch in real time as you clock how weird it actually is.That could be said for most anime and bl as a whole, tbf. Mushoku Tensei won anime of the year.
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>>2557791It could be worse. I remember, years ago, after I introduced my mum to kissanime she once told me she was surprised that a recent anime she'd watched had incest sex in it between a guy and his younger sister. I was 19 and sitting there looking like picrel because I realised I hadn't briefed her that anime wasn't all like Ouran High School Host Club (her starter anime).
No. 2557879
>>2557099I think your problem is that you surround yourself with the mentally ill, probably because you're mentally ill yourself. None of my own fujo friends are like this, maybe you should make friends who aren't hippies.
Also, female characters aren't people, it hurts literally no one to say mean things about them. And words aren't violence. Check this out: Sakura from Naruto is a bitch whore slut cunt. Now look outside: the sun didn't just crash into the Earth because I said that. Female babies are being systemically murdered in India because of dowries, and you're sitting here crying about how people are mean to Chinese cartoon characters and say yucky words. Get a fucking grip and grow the hell up.
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>>2557881There's a new spinoff.
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>>2557836Pretty sure it won in a publicity subcategory, a "watch out for this artist" type of thing.
No. 2557937
>>2557879Agreed, nobody has any moral obligation to like a character. This is our hobby, we don't have to like well-written female characters either. Also character bashing towards annoying characters is funny most of the time, people are too sensitive nowadays.
Inb4
>Most male characters fujos like aren't well-written either, why not just fix the female characters in fanfiction?The point is that we want to see guys fuck. Most fujos are attracted to men, so we are attracted to male characters. Try asking a male otaku to focus on male characters and see how that goes. Yet we have some obligation to like female ones.
No. 2558117
>>2557879>given specific examples of my issues with weirdos plaguing my community>um it doesn't count and you are a mentally ill freak cuz I said so>look how edgy I am because I called sakura a whore like every other 13 year old narusaru or naruhina shipper from 2014At this point you're just embarrassing yourself, please stop.
>>2557963Most of them aren't close friends, they are either ex-friends, or acquaintances from BL fandom communities who I talked to often in group discussions until they started acting weird. Now a days I suffer relatively less because the controlling types are less common like you said, the TIF types crying about dysphoria are everywhere but I have started to block all gendies on sight, it is helping somewhat.
No. 2558147
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Thoughts on this? Why is OP telling women to stop consuming BL (made by women for women) all while telling women to start consuming women media made by women?
No. 2558177
>>2556777I wasn't pushing, I was making a suggestion;
a 2D moid that looks like a girl. Not one that looks like the person reading it.
>>2556974I think he is supposed to be ugly. That is part of the whole point. It's really good of a story - I even got a straight moid into it kek
>>2556991Funny you mention that… he kinda is.
>>2557084I wish. It was mostly JohnVris shippers who woobified Vriska instead of just calling her out to be the massive bitch that she is. That's part of her charm. She is The Quintessential Bitch. Alternatively, they'd turn Kankri or Cronus into self-insert trans woobies. Absolute cancer.
>>2557540>and having come to accept that it can just be a bit of fun (that is, it won’t necessarily distract me from achieving my irl goals). But I certainly don’t want to come across like I’m forcing or faking an interest just to become closer to my friends. At most they have been the catalyst for me to start thinking about shipping again. See, I figured it was something along those lines. That's why I had tried to suggest some "gateway drugs" approaches. If you aren't an absolute chimpanzee, then yaoi is purely for the fun of it. Not sure why other nonas were against the whole notion of getting
into it.
>>2558147Clearly this person isn't even a woman.
No. 2559991
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>>2558117>At this point you're just embarrassing yourself, please stop.I'll take "shit anons say when they have no actual rebuttal" for 500
No. 2560006
>>2558147Apparently this person doesn't understand the concept of being straight. Jilling off to drawings does not make someone a worse feminist ffs. So sick of the obsessive moralfagging women inflict on each other, imagine how much we could accomplish if we directed this energy against men instead. It seems like either you're a libfem with zero sexual boundaries whatsoever, or you're a radfem who is verboten from expressing any sexual desire whatsoever, even if it involves no actual male human beings. Then these people turn around and act all shocked and pissed off when they see polilez types.
Also the combination of male-gaze big tiddy yurislop they repost and the "she/her" in the profile is making me think this is probably an AGP. In that case, all of his opinions are meaningless because he's a retard who wants to chop his cock off.
No. 2560636
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Hoping someday that fujos stop trying to force fiction into reality, and un-tif themselves. It becoming expected and even meme'd about is disgusting to me. Just because I want two fictional men to dick each other shouldn't immediately mean I want to be a man.
>>2557885Interesting how coomerslop seems to run in a circle.
No. 2565072
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>>2565034Most women like babies and love children is a cute concept, not much more to it.
No. 2565075
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I like how she just leaves out that Moge's a Japanese nationalist and spergs about her being a fujo instead kek.
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>>2565075Why did you posted this on two different imageboards twice?
No. 2565103
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>>2565094>would type of parents would this guy and that guy be?When I think of scenarios of my ships in my head having kids, this is usually the one I like to think about. I notice that in fanworks the kid very rarely ages past 10 because middle schoolers are such assholes kek.
>>2565096I see pregnancy a lot, but where do you see birth?
No. 2565105
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>>2565034I dont think it's that deep. Making mary sue/gary stu ocs that are related to the protagonists has been a thing since forever, it's one of the oldest fandom tropes and kids used to be bullied for making self indulgent stuff like that back in the day. Thinking about how the hypothetical offspring of two characters you like would look like is more fun than just making an oc thats unrelated to them and shares no visual resemblance to said characters because they are adopted. This isnt a BL thing only, in lyrical nanoha the female protagonists have a daughter and she basically looks like a mix of young nanoha and young fate with added hideous heterochromia eyes for max mary sue points.
>>2565075Funny how she doesnt mention all the rape involving women in funamusea's work. Only when her precious moids are involved she find it offensive.
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>>2565105>and shares no visual resemblance to said characters because they are adoptedIn the case of Hima, he did both kinda.
>Nanoha had a canon daughteru love childKek, kinda cute.
>>2565113Yeah they were being a little too generous there, Komaeda would probably throw his kid off a building for the sake of bringing more hope.
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>>2565121Nah I get it, also sometimes the designs are so crazy that you can't help but think what their kids would look like
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>>2565121I’m the same
nonny. Do I think it’s lazy writing a lot of the time? Yes. Do I enjoy reading it every single time no matter how disconnected it is from the main storyline? Yes.
No. 2565156
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>>2565034As a fujo myself, I honestly agree with you. I hate that married+babies is the default endgame for seemingly every ship regardless of how much sense it makes for the characters involved. Sometimes it works, especially if one or both characters are established as being family-oriented people. But there are a lot of ships, especially M/M ones, where ending up childfree makes sense. The presence of children rarely makes a couple's dynamic more romantic, it seems like people shove baybees in there just because it's been so aggressively drilled into peoples' heads that it's the "goal" of all relationships.
No. 2565172
>>2565156Inexplicable rabbit Deku…the fact he's on the ground naked…the off-putting baby butts…angsty Bakugou…the way making Deku a rabbit person adds
nothing at all to the scenario…this image is kino and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
No. 2565173
>>2565156From an outside perspective, any fujo who's into mpreg and "married with babies" seems like they have a buried true desire for hetero ships, but are too insecure to embrace relating to female characters so they force their heteronormative attributes onto yaoi ships instead. When I think about yaoi ships or yaoi ideas, I don't imagine them basically being a man and a woman because thr appeal is that they're both males and interacting in a way that's between
two guys. Forcing "straight logic" onto yaoi is something you would only do if you're not truly into the homosexual dynamic of the ship.
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>>2565173I like hetships but I prefer BL
>embrace relating to female charactersWhy do you have to relate to characters to like a ship? That's retarded.
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>>2565176>If he really wanted to have kids with OP quirks, he'd get Mineta buttpregnant so they can create a kid who can make infinite sticky grenades with his/her body.You know what you have to do, nonna.
No. 2565197
>>2565121Same, I like seeing potential kid OCs as a fun and creative way to combine designs regardless of the gender the gender of the couple. Ime the happily ever after marriage with babies thing is common but not ubiquitous in fanfiction. Fanfiction is wish fulfillment anyways, maybe we want to see dumb child OCs and fluff when our ship isn't canon.
>>2565173>any fujo who's into mpreg and "married with babies" seems like they have a buried true desire for hetero ships, but are too insecure to embrace relating to female characters so they force their heteronormative attributes onto yaoi ships instead.I can't speak for every fujo but there's no insecurity or secret heterosexual desire. There's no self-inserting. I want to see a man fucked by another man. Magical babies are a cute and fun idea. That's it.
No. 2565208
>>2565200I've seen
way more "we found a sad orphan child in a box and took it home" scenarios than mpreg ones kek, the former probably appeals to fanfic authors way more than the latter because it generates
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>>2565201It can just be science babies or magical spell babies or babies that show up with no explanation. Those are infinitely more common outside of explicit mpreg
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>>2565161There's male characters that have it here and there. Pic related is a subdued case of green and slightly lighter green.
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>>2565204I guess it’s better than a yaoi cabbage patch kids universe
No. 2565223
>>2565187>works well or better Who cares about that? The point is that it doesn't work well and is a tragic,
toxic relationship based on obsession and possession. Guts is bottom btw.
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>>2565220My god those toys were ugly.
>>2565223>Guts is bottom btw.Doesn't really seem like people are disagreeing on that one kek
No. 2565231
>>2565223And there lies the second opinion i have about yaoi. More fujos need to admit that their ships are basically just porn. Guts has less romantic chemistry with Griffith and we know this, but you pointed it out yourself,
you don't care because you just want to see porn. It's okay to like yaoi porn, but i think it's innately retarded to think that just wanting to see porn trumps the meat of what the source material is providing.
No. 2565237
>>2565218Who is saying homosexual relationships need to have kids to be legit in the context of online fandoms? It seems to me that you see a lot of yaoi with kids and then the conclude that the authors must think that yourself.
>>2565231I think the yaoi pairing has less chemistry than the canon one, therefore it's porn? What logic is this?
No. 2565242
>>2565236NTA but agreed. Plus, Guts
tried to assault her once and Griffith is, well, Griffith. I'd rather see them take their scrotal issues out on each other than on her, honestly.
No. 2565243
>>2565231I have never seen a fujo try to pretend yaoi ships aren't basically just porn. There is an entire subcategory of BL manga that are just porn. The large majority of fujo doujins are just porn.
You seem to have a lot of opinions about how fujos think that simply aren't true.
No. 2565255
>>2565231Because it is porn? Fujos aren't retarded unlike moids who pass off their weird fetishes as sfw cuz no booba see. Where do you get this idea from?
>>2565244As someone who indulges in hetslop, it bothers me that so many compelling and interesting female characters get reduced to the "love interest" and nothing else. I'd rather see characters engage other with chemistry and not the human equivalent of a wet fart. Some hetfags really feel the need to defend these ships while calling anyone outside their simp circle a misogynist for just…not liking it? What is there to defend? The fact she's your mary sue self-insert and not a character?
No. 2565260
>>2565231Well, tbd in this case it's not just porn, but also the suffering Guts go through and Griffith clearly shitting himself when Guts left him and having a melt down by fucking a girl he didn't care about and ruining everybody's lives. Griffith SA'd Casca because it hurt Guts. I think that's pretty much canon.
They both have had gay sex so it's a pretty whatever case to pick.
No. 2565265
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>>2565251I will never forgive Zetsuen no Tempest for this.
No. 2565267
>>2565255This used to drive me insane watching cartoons as a kid. I understand why most shows waited until the last episode to make relationships canon, because most of them could
not write romance for shit kek
No. 2565278
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>>2565255>What is there to defend? The fact she's your mary sue self-insert and not a character?As someone who also enjoys hetships, this is what it's really about.
No. 2565283
>>2565275Honestly, Deku is so ugly I don't understand how the fans can ship him with
anyone. Speaking as an outsider who hasn't seen the show, the Bakugou ship with that red haired guy looks way better.
No. 2565286
>>2565275Deku acts like the stereotypical uwu shy boy character and Bakugou is his bully, I don't even ship them but it makes way more sense for Deku to be the uke kek.
>>2565283Everyone in BNHA is ugly, but Kirishima is uglier than Deku because he's got shark teeth.
No. 2565290
>>2565278Stacey. Keep doing your thing.
>>2565286I'd take shark teeth over Deku's toddler eyes and weird screechy voice. You're right though, the art style makes everyone look like a roided manlet.
No. 2565297
>>2565291Plus, there have been times where the ship WASN'T EVEN CANON (or at least wasn't canon
yet) but everyone on Twitter insisted it was and that you had to "respect" it kek
No. 2565300
>>2565290>the art style makes everyone look like a roided manlet.This was the case in demon slayer as well kek, most shounen art styles are ugly (I will never understand one piece fujos/yumes)
>>2565291That's why it's so hilarious, at least fujos usually ship shit that's in the same universe kek.
>>2565294In gurren lagann BL that's pretty much what happened with Simon and Kamina, but it was niche even when the show was airing.
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>>2565300>In gurren lagann BL that's pretty much what happened with Simon and Kamina, but it was niche even when the show was airing.It warms my heart that fujoism will thrive in even the most unlikely of places.
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>>2565324>It's not that deepI WILL NOT BE SILENCED.
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>>2565328I am glad i never did, but the only time i ever considered watching bnha was because deku is one of the few male characters with freckles. Need more freckled qties.
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>>2565340There's this guy from a new shounen that started this year.
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>>2565340Based freckles enjoyer
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>>2565340Is it safe to assume you've seen Haikyuu? If not, you should get on that.
No. 2565376
>>2565283>the Bakugou ship with that red haired guy looks way better.Based. Kiribaku supremacy.
>>2565286Shark teeth are hot and you are wrong. Bakugou needs a guy who can top him, Deku is way too soy for that, that's why Bakudeku brainlets always make Deku the bottom.
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>>2565357He's alright, i really dont like the haikyuu artstyle so i never checked it out and probably never will. Kensuke is still the cutest freckled bastard.
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>>2565331Reverse Flash is genuinely so fucking mental kek. I don't even know if it's right to call him a yandere
or a hater.
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>>2565389>>2565388He is the
final boss of BPDkuns. His backstory basically STARTS with him
trying to skinwalk the original Flash after becoming obsessed with him.>>2565415I am awed nonna 10/10 shitpost
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and this is why fujos sit next to lolicons
No. 2566055
>>2566052I think the
actual yaoi is a much better example, it's clearly two adults.
No. 2566069
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>>2566014KEK she's got a strawpage and on it she's put "cis + gay" despite the fact she's clockable from a single tweet.
I checked out the account and she's got some straightshota and edgy "proship" memes. Basically she appears to be into anything sexually violating, mostly around older men. Except she says she doesn't like lolicons, which I've seen before in female sexual abuse survivors where they project onto shota because it's one-step-removed but hate lolicons because it reminds them of the past. I assume she was raped and that's her OCD life now. Even though it's yaoi she's still making her whole personal identity around self-inserting into rape porn, that's just worsening the OCD.
No. 2566305
>>2565034Nonas called me retarded for saying this but I'll stand by it anyway; it's totally a psyop by the Japanese to convince the female population to want to become mothers. We've seen how in the west idiots go full TIF because of their favorite ships and projecting onto the uke (not all fujos do this ofc). Japan harvested this pipeline before the era of troonism, and started just
>oops haha he got pregnant!media that is suspiciously read primarily by women.
I'm hetero (seems like a lot of nonas ITT think that heterosexuality must be suppressed or some fuckshit) and cannot stand seeing similarities to hetero nonsense in my BL. I want to see men fucking men, and not reminded that someone is thinking about a woman in there somewhere.
No. 2566343
>>2566335This kek.
It’s on the same level of the “Kuroshitsuji isn’t a shotacon manga” cope.
No. 2566354
>>2566343Its the curse of anime becoming mainstream. Back in the 00s everyone accepted anime as a flawed and
problematic genre, whose flaws were also it's strongest suit. Now that anime is mainstream we are supposed to make excuses for japanese authors because it hurts normie westoid's ego to like something
problematic. Meanwhile, some of the most popular anime in japan still contains lolishit and sexualization of teen girls is rampant. It also comes as incredibly self-centered to rewrite the work of a person from another culture, with another language and with a different world of view to fit your own just because you cannot accept something you like isnt morally pure.
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>>2566335>>2566343Shota wasn't developed as a concept in the 70s and the first BL manga were flowery artsy sad tragedies between bishounen set in European settings. Japanese people don't care about anti/proshipper shit and old BL featured teenage boys, but I don't think it's fair to call non-explicit manga featuring high school age boys "shota" when that's the norm for all manga.
No. 2566513
>>2566241Tbh yeah, but that's still a terrible example. It's a shotacon
complaining that the yaoi webtoon
isn't shota.
Like damn, just find a Black Butler tweet or something, shit.
No. 2566559
>>2566305I think you're onto something.
>I want to see men fucking men, and not reminded that someone is thinking about a woman in there somewhere.Exactly. I want it to actually seem homosexual because I have homosexual tendencies and I'm child free, so why can't I enjoy that aspect in the media I consume in peace? The mpreg nuclear family shit is pushed heavily by writers and fandom and it's really annoying. Let the gay dudes actually be gay without a family, not the end of the world.
>>2566307Probably moid fetish, pretty girls fucking and having a pretty daughter or something. Just like how the mpreg results in a son most of the time. More wonking material I guess. It could also pysop female yuri readers.
>>2566313What about the rest of us who don't? Is it too much to ask for media by women for women WITHOUT babies being shoved down our throats?
>>2566352This. By bringing a baby into it, it just becomes another traditional ass marriage. Very lame. I know this word is cringe but it's kinda heteronormative in a way. But this is just me not being entirely straight so I get bothered by the parts that reminds me of a straight relationship. I also dislike massive size difference coupled with opposite styling where one is feminine and girly and tiny, while the other is gigantic is super masculine so they make it obvious who is the "top" and "bottom", which is code for the "man" and the "woman". It's so cringe. But I know this has been discussed millions of times before so no need to bring it up.
No. 2566589
>>2566559>What about the rest of us who don't? Is it too much to ask for media by women for women WITHOUT babies being shoved down our throats? I don't think children are
that particularly common in official bl, fanfic aside of course.
Even if you forced me to only pick from something like omegaverse, there's a crap ton that only really care about the "instant aphrodisiac and biting" part.
No. 2566712
>>2566598Yeah shota is specifically male characters who are pre-pubescent or pre-pubescent-looking. So childlike proportions (in the context of anime style), no pubic hair, no muscle definition, etc. So
>>2565177 would obviously be a shota.
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>>2566724Kek I don't care what other women masturbate to, as long as it's properly tagged and they're not being annoying fanny-style NLOGs about it. Or moralfagging about how their edgy trash is somehow more ethical than my edgy trash when it's all just edgy trash.
No. 2567027
>>2566358Agreed. I grew out of it as I aged too. I remember thinking that Len Kagamine was the absolute shit. Now I get somewhat queasy thinking about the things I used to look up on him.
>>2566402Agreed. I'm a Burger too.
>>2566471Yeah. "Babies are cute" mentality is so strange. I genuinely don't understand the sentiment.
>>2566724I am going to risk being called a moid but I genuinely think it's less to do with "women can discern reality and moids can't" and more that each sex is littered with schizoids and groomed individuals that blur the boundaries. We see it more prevelent with moids because we know for a fact they groom each other and get addicted to awful shit and the escalation of seeking the coom. But we've also seen it in TIFs who absolutely are exposed to BL at young ages and want to recreate it. I cannot honest to god give us the benefit of the doubt when we can look at the fujo-to-TIF pipeline presenting itself again and again.
No. 2567033
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>>2566724I don't have an universal rule for such things.>>2567027 said it perfectly
>each sex is littered with schizoids and groomed individuals that blur the boundaries"
Problematic" stuff has a very wide spectrum, I deal with them with a case by case basis. I would just laugh when my friend gushes over some black haired yandere duke of the north character locking mc up in his love dungeon, but when a local 2edgy4u cow posts NSFW gore +
bukkake fanart of some 7 year old looking kid character I just block the pedo. There are certain disgusting things that immediately signal mental illness+porn brainrot to me and makes me doubt their vehement claims that they have the ability to separate fiction from reality, and listening to those gut feelings has really helped me filter out the horrorcows, gendies, spergs and drama queens from my fandom circles.
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They told me I was putting gay men in the closet and I was fine with that, but telling me to shower is the final straw.
No. 2567341
>>2567334Its the fact that this happens with every nerd hobby that makes it more ridiculous.
Fuck,
analog horror has a troon problem nowadays with many creators shitting out their ass about how horror was totally the ~gateway to their gender identity~ and other crap.
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>>2567265Kek that's not a fag, it's a heckin'
valid dooderino TiF. The only actual homos I've seen cry about fujoshis are grifters trying to mine drama for content like James Somerton, Goat Jesus, and the faggot upthread crying about how female authors are more popular than him. Most actual fags are too busy watching Golden Girls or scrolling through Grindr to give a shit about the things nerdy women jerk off to.
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>>2566483>>2566483>>2566495tbh I never understood why these stories are set in europe/america at all. the characters act japanese, the way they talk about sex and sexual abuse is japanese, and they even look japanese. I can't see these characters as anything other than japanese women in drag.
No. 2568468
>>2568464Isnt the outfit you posted enough of an answer?
Kimono and samurai are cool, but historical European fashion and English countrysides are also very cool.
No. 2568476
>>2568468they could do that for that meiji period
>>2568470as historical fashion fanatic, I have never understood the "lolita" fashion, because literally none of the clothing comes close to victorian or any other fashion trned in european history. they took a few design materials (petticoats and sock garters) and made up everything else.
No. 2568481
>>2568477>"So because a woman did it, because youre also a woman pedos are your brothers"Is what I meant as being too stupid for this thread.
The shota shit, sure bl has it, but that isn't an excuse to go full retard.
No. 2568509
>>2568503You still watch movies, movies are the same group as Tilda Swinton, so you are still responsible.
You see how that sounds very stupid?
Its crazy how it's straight to some cringey gladiator larp ass "they're your brothers, fujos!!!"
Are you guys mentally still in middle school? Ffs, what is this bee mentality bullshit.
Some shounen mangaka signed it too, guess nonas posting Toji abs on /g/ are part of the Jap pedo mind control because it's the same genre.
No. 2568519
>>2568514>I usually don'tThis just makes you sound more like a cringey larper.
If someone isn't a fan of any of the authors involved, never read their work, and are still fujo, unless you think only 5 bl exist then there is no overlap. Being incapable of understanding that makes you more suspicious than any fujo.
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>>2568515a fujo might respond with "two men is extra hot", but that is a lie or a delusion. yaoi is overwhelmingly just
toxic heterosexuality with extra steps. they are just creating a
toxic male/female dynamic, with pretending it's happening between two men. take picrel, it's just a dominant younger man and an older woman fetish and no matter how you feel about such a fetish, it is undeniable and fujos just don't want to accept it and think it is between two men.
No. 2568522
>>2568515>How do you forget the fact two men having sex would probably smell like shit?It's a manga, it isn't real.
>How do you get past the subcontext that most homosexual men are etremely misogynistic and that's why they'd rather fuck each other in the butt?It's a manga, it isn't real. Seriously, how do you guys read shounen/war manga if the amount of blood realistically would smell horrible?
>And what's the appeal?Hot dudes, a small niche demographic that allows for more experimental work where you know that no matter what, you are guaranteed to look at hot dudes and not have to gamble with a woman's self insert shoving her boobs, ass, insecurities, and maso fetishes into your face.
>Do you self insert?No. I like looking at hot dudes and also nice artstyles.
No. 2568524
>>2568521Posts like this are hilarious in their derangement I don't care
>>2568464I remember reading "a tree without roots" a few years ago and there's a scene at the beginning of the manga where the protagonist and his friends talk shit about another kid, but the things they say are
so Japanese despite the story taking place in America and Britain.
>Wow, that guy doesn't even help to pick up litter at school or join any clubs? He just goes off and rides his motorbike instead?? What a fucking loser lmao No. 2568541
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>>2568471nta No because it's actually really funny and I want to see how bad it can get.
>>2568515>What's hot about two men being faggots? More men. Men making funny faces. Men men men men men.
>I'm a straight woman so I want a man to be attracted to me, not to another man? Honestly? Why are you attracted to men? They're dumb and violent and smell bad, etc etc every other lolcow anti-moid argument. Honestly, I hate
myself so I like to make my dolls kiss. This is an extension of that concept but with beautiful pictures. I do not need to be involved because irl I would probably be damaged or some sort of fetish related to my insecurities would come into play inevitably. Being part of the equation does not get me off; it does the opposite. (personal opinion; this does not apply to everyone)
>How do you forget the fact two men having sex would probably smell like shit?The same way that I tend to not hyper-fixate on the fact that smegma exists, armpit funk exists, and generally sex is stinky anywhere outside the shower.
>How do you get past the subcontext that most homosexual men are etremely misogynistic and that's why they'd rather fuck each other in the butt?This is fake. It's not real. I do not project this world's bullshit onto my fiction, otherwise I can't enjoy stuff like Monster Hunter or Kirby or Hello Kitty. Literally turn it off. You can't be a
victim 24/7 if you are alone in a room with a book or a picture. Besides, most of my preferred yaoi content makes some silly excuse where like women are extinct or something.
>And what's the appeal? Fictional men are hot. More ficitonal men are hot. Men going through drama fascinates me! Fictional men are more emotional than real men. They can be whatever size, whatever shape, whatever monster, etc. It's all an adventure and I want to see what the writer has in store. It's a story that doesn't remind me about how bleak this world is, just takes me on a narrative adventure where I can embrace another world's concepts and how much better it must be there than it is here.
>Do you self insert?I'll be the first ITT to say, yes, sometimes. I do. Not on fiction I read, but on fiction I create for my own personal enjoyment. But by "self insert" I mean "this character shares a lot of my characteristics except for a few key points, like being a woman, or being my race, or my age, etc". That kind of self-insert. Do I want to be them? No. But if I were a character in this world, given advantages or blending into its concepts, how would I change my being? I can't be a fucking Sanrio girl in the Dragon Ball universe kek. So I have to change accordingly. Most nonas probably don't self-insert, but I use it as
a tool.
Also I kinda don't like vaginas. At all. Not a TIF, just not a fan due to medical reasons.
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>>2568521>Older omegasI can't read past this line. Immediately trying to use your picrel as a sample that represents a whole fell apart the second she mentions omegaverse. That shit is COMEDICALLY divided in the yaoi fandom. If anything, it represents a deranged side of the fandom (sorry nonas who like omegaverse; it isn't my thing). That's like saying that BDSM represents all straight women's desire to be raped.
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>>2568533The narcissism of "how can I enjoy fiction if I'm not the main character?" bothers me too, even outside of this particular topic.
>>2568464>I can't see these characters as anything other than japanese women in drag.These 70's bishies were inspired by Björn Andresen, who was huge in Japan.
No. 2568615
>>2568515>I want a man to be attracted to meI don't. I'd say this is the main difference. When bl started appearing, female sexuality in japan was even more repressed than it is today, so a lot of women felt more comfortable reading something that did not include women.
Also it's not real and doesn't resemble real life. No point in comparing anime bishonen to real moids.
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>>2568625SUPER SCARY IMAGE DO NOT OPEN!!
No. 2568651
>>2568649Is that porn to you
nonny? i mean good for you if you masturbate to that but not everyone sees two women and thinks of porn. Just saying.
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There's a bl subreddit I check out sometimes and someone recommended Villain as a wholesome non-explicit bl. The MC is a TIF. Imagine if someone started reading it without knowing and then got a fucking TIF thrown at them kek.
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>>2568625I'm trying to parse your response as a casual anime fan who hasn't been a superfag since I was a tween. Not shitting on husbandofags since I am one, but I'm pretty sure the thing that puts people off fujo is the coom aspect of bl. There are literally millions of women who are exclusively attracted to fictional moids but don't like fujoshi because they're not coomers/goonettes/one step away from taking HRT kek
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>>2568744They are instead attracted to this which is le feminist and not cucked according to you? topkek. I would rather look at cute guys thanbig titty waifus being humilliated, thank you.
No. 2568808
>>2568744Have you stepped foot in the husbandofag thread? Lmao. There's lots of perversion there, too. Which isn't a bad thing at all imo. Let them have fun. I don't get the cuck angle either. I enjoy my ships because I like the characters themselves and their dynamic together, and I like them as entities separate from myself. I don't want to self-insert as either, I genuinely want them to be themselves and be together simply because they're cute together and the writing makes it work. I feel the same way about any ship I have whether gay, straight, or lesbian. If I wanted to self-insert, I'll just use a SI OC and ship it with my husbando or waifu of choice and I wouldn't ship them with any other character because they're mine. Do you not enjoy romance stories about characters who aren't supposed to be you? I don't get it. It's more interesting to read when the main character or love interest is actually fleshed out and their own person with a great dynamic with the character they're shipped with. Otherwise it would be boring. Ironically that's why het ships can be boring sometimes, always one of them is hollow and for self-insertion and the relationship is rushed and forced most of the time. That or there are moral objections to it such as incest, abuse, age gaps, interspecies weirdness etc. These are ok in BL for me because who cares about males abusing males lmao. But it's uncomfortable when it's a female character having to go through that most of the time since it gets too real or is obviously done with malicious intent to fetishize and normalize women's suffering. I get that some people enjoy that stuff in fiction either way because they like to explore these themes from a safe distance, but it's not my cup of tea and I find it easier to digest in M/M. Not sure if I'd still like it in F/F because of the aspect of trying to get away from that as a woman so seeing 2 women enact that stuff is like we're ngmi, but that's just me being a sensitive crybaby.
No. 2568819
>>2568790>>2568808Ayrt I'm not saying husbandofags don't do coomershit nor did I say fujoshis shouldn't consume coomershit. My response was that women who are into fictional moids and disgusted by irl moids aren't a monolith who are ALL collectively into coomer content. There are plenty of husbandofags who just aren't into it, and the original nonna I replied to was being obtuse by claiming the alternative to people who are into fujoshi are all women who are die hard moid fuckers irl.
>dark romance and other female dominated fandomI see this argument made a lot but what a lot of people don't seem to acknowledge is that dark romance is shut inherently. Of course fujoshi is not more or less perverted because both are smut, just different flavours, and
not every woman into fictional men are into smut. It would be hypocritical of me to separate the two, so I don't.
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Ngl the "fujos are cucks" anons are starting to sound convincing.
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>>2568819nta but what's the point in being into fictional men if you aren't into smut about them? You mean they see them as pets or something? I mean I get it if they're kids, but you mean as adults?
No. 2568836
>>2568827I mean, I'm not a fujo and I
certainly don't like 3DPD fags, but this is one of those things which is considered completely normal when moids do it.
No. 2568858
>>2568842Men watching porn regularly and fantasizing about lesbians is considered normal but fujos (and other women) are automatically coomers, goonettes, porn addicts, misogynists, and cucks for liking romance and smut featuring cartoons
>>2568832Agreed 100%, I can understand how immature teenage fandom fujos and the overwhelming popularity of m/m would be very annoying as a fujo myself
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Do fujos here engage in top/bottom discourse? I have recently gotten into many popular entry level fanbases and the amount of infighting I have seen among fujos of the same ship just because they prefer one dynamic and vehemently hate the other, has genuinely made me loathe the ship and the characters involved.
Rant that can be ignored but I had the misfortune of getting into a ship where one dynamic is infinitely more popular than the other. The popular dynamic gets hundreds of artworks every day on shitter, with some easily getting over 50k likes, while the unpopular one gets very little fanart, no doujins, no anthologies, nothing at all, even though both characters have the same build.
Now fujos who prefer the popular dynamic have unironically started acting like cultists, and they think that just because what they like is vastly more popular, it means it is “canon” and the correct one. They keep posting fanfic and fanart counts from lofter, pixiv, ao3 to prove they are superior, along with their retarded twitter lingo claiming the other lane is chopped and washed. And it does not stop there. I have seen fujos on 4cucks of all places cry that the other side is “mischaracterizing” the characters, right after posting the most OOC fanart of the dynamic they like. Shippers on twitter keep parroting that they are based and “queer” while women who prefer the flipped dynamic are icky and straight. They write thinkpieces claiming their preference breaks yaoi norms because they made the manly alpha male character the bottom (both characters have the same body type and the character they like to see as the top is the moid writer's self-insert btw), but the moment they see bottom art of the character they treat as the most virile top ever, they straight up go on unhinged rants saying it is OOC and just plain wrong. They also keep obsessively monitoring what fujos who prefer the other dynamic are drawing and writing like hawks so they can find things to cancel them over. It is beyond mental insanity and at this point, as much as it will make me sad, a part of me genuinely wants the characters involved to get hetbaited so these idiots can fall off their high horse.
I have preferences but I have always been into switching so I like both dynamics. It is the women who are straight up being paranoid over ship positions, who are a lot, that bothers me so much. I fail to understand why they have to be so nasty and antagonistic when both sides like the same ship.
No. 2568874
>>2568832>>2568831A lot of people I have interacted with have expressed that disinterest in sex is one of the things that put them off irl moids in the first place. These are basic concepts. I'll be the first to admit I occasionally dip my toes in smut, but I don't feel any confusion over either fojushis who enjoy full coom all the time or husbandofags who don't engage with smut at all. I'm willing to bet the number of women who are into flush mostly with little bits of smut here and there is a lot bigger than most would think. It's down to the individual but if we are being totally realistic not every woman is going to be super into coom or fandoms that are heavy on coom like BL.
>>2568836>>2568858I don't like 3D moids so I don't care what they do. I don't compare their interests with mine because I decentered them from what I do. Measuring your interests with a class of people who are pedophiles with a sociopathic fixation on rape isn't a debate point on why women don't want to interact with coomer content. Idk why you're bringing them in as the standard for how women interact with stuff like BL, unless you're specifically referring to women like incest pedophile-chan who had a sperg out in the fandom discourse thread about two weeks ago.
>>2568832>women are put off by BL because they're annoyed by the behavior of fujoshisMeh, I don't hate fujoshis or find them too annoying. I could be wrong but I think it's mostly normie women who are exposed to that type of fujoshi. My only gripe with fujoshis is the widespread inability to not view all female interests through porn and the occasional tendency to use feminism as their argument against criticism of BL.
No. 2568883
>>2568863>Do fujos here engage in top/bottom discourse?No. It is pointless. I discovered dymamics were only relevent in people who recontexualize characters and deviate from the canon depictions. Please don't stone me.
Consider Cronkri and KanCro, Cronus Ampora and Kankri Vantas ship in homestuck. Cronkri was about Cronus abusing and sexually assaulting Kankri. KanCro was about Kankri performing torturous religion-themed BDSM on Cronus. Both dynamics can be VERY interesting (noticed KanCro was extremely popular with eastern fujos), but when it came to the fandom, it was reinvented into KanCro being TIF related somehow. I liked the original two depictions because the angst was EXTREMELY intense and fucked up my emotions. Very delicious pieces released. But the latter conversion was disgusting and hard to swallow.
Had Kankri masturbating Cronus, who was portrayed as a TIF. "Cuntboy" was common and I do not like itnwhen those are raped as it genuinely makes me uncomfortable.I've seen a similar thing in my current fandom focus. But I just observe as I want the two characrers holding hands. Whether it is AB or BA, everything is the same
here up until who puts the dick in who. I, too, prefer switch dynamics these days.
No. 2568899
>>2568863i never understood top/bottom discourse even when i was a super autistic baby fujo at age 14 like… i want these two characters to fuck and i don't care who tops/bottoms. as long as we both like the same ship or don't clash on the most hated ship front i'll be friends with you (general you).
but i think for jp people in particular it's because they are still attached to antiquated gender roles and think that the bottom is the woman and shit like that. and then you have the opposite happening in western spaces where people will try to be as progressive as possible to the point that their idea of who should top and who should bottom feels extremely ooc.
some trends make me hate certain characters topping/bottoming though, like in stsg when geto is portrayed like an effeminate shy and blushing housewife just because he bottoms. i prefer top geto because at least the top geto artists don't mommify him.
No. 2568900
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>>2568515Boys being gay is just way hotter by default, it's similar to how men like lesbian porn but in the case of women liking BL it just comes as the default instead of a niche like yuri or lesbian porn.
>How do you forget the fact two men having sex would probably smell like shit?We're talking about the same genre that has stuff like omegaverse and "the yaoi hole" clearly we don't give a shit about realism.
>How do you get past the subcontext that most homosexual men are etremely misogynisticIncels turning gay is hot too, just look at adasou. Not like men aren't any less misogynistic in straight works anyway.
>Do you self insert?Personally I do not.
No. 2568924
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>>2568917in kiss him not me, the main girl and her female fujo friend have a falling out because they can't decide on who tops and who bottoms. the manga is pretty authentic to fujo culture so i wouldn't be surprised if this happens for real.
No. 2568925
>>2568917They treat A/B and B/A as completely different pairings. They mostly just go scorched earth on blocking everyone with a different dynamic or headcanon.
>>2568863>Do fujos here engage in top/bottom discourse?It's fun to shoot the shit in chill discussions. I will almost always read both top/bottom variations.
>>2568920The meta discussion is more fun than the same porn addict or misogynist or cuck chair stuff coming up over and over again.
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No. 2568959
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>>2568899>i prefer top geto because at least the top geto artists don't mommify himAnon are you me? I used to find Satosugu cute back in 2020 but the fandom has completely ruined the ship for me. I cannot even put into words how much I hate the fanon interpretation of Geto. They have collectively turned him into some barefoot pregnant no-nonsense waifu, while Gojo gets to be the golden retriever, pathetic yearner "white" boy. The exact same thing is happening to another ship I like, and seeing the characters get reduced to tiktok tropes honestly makes me want to cry.
It is a blessing that jjk has such a huge fanbase, so even though some of the stsg retards on twitter are painfully vocal and annoying, I can still just go to pixiv and find a ton of top-tier gego art.
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>>2568959Don't watch jjk but it has one of the most intense gaps dynamic wise which is pretty hilarious to see.
No. 2568985
>>2568980Adasou sounds better than Adayu when you say it, but yeah I call him Yu and not Souji since it's the canon name.
I still call the P3 protagonist Minato though.
No. 2568987
>>2568934Kek I was under the impression that jp fujos are not that autistically obsessed with the canonicity of their ships but I guess I was wrong.
Also
>the hundred lineMy brain has become so fried with hoyoslop and I need a change of pace, so I have been thinking of playing this. I hope Eito is as insane as Komaeda.
No. 2568995
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>>2568987>the impression that jp fujos are not that autistically obsessed with the canonicity of their ships but I guess I was wrongNaaah jp fujos are the most intense about it.
>I hope Eito is as insane as Komaeda.He's batshit in a different way.
>>2568989Which character was it?
No. 2569016
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>>2569011Probably for the best kek. Every time he does a Q&A inevitably like 80% of the questions are gonna be about Eito though.
No. 2569025
>>2568863I used to care when I was a retarded teenager and before discovering the concept of frotting. The problem with the top bottom thing is 1- it needs to involve penetration so one is the penetrative and the other is the penetrated hence the top/bottom thing and 2- characters' personalities, designs, behaviors etc. need to reflect that dynamic even if it's reversed to be subversive. So it kinda recreates heterosexuality and that's why there's always discourse about it. In their minds, one is the feminine penetrated one, the other is the masculine penetrative one, and anything else is against the laws of physics or something. Ever since I discovered frottage, I started to look at this dynamic differently because I feel like this specific sexual act reduces the top/bottom aspect. Ofcourse there still can be a dominant and submissive one, one who takes the lead and the other who enjoys it, but this sexual act seems more intimate to me and kinda more normal? More gay? Idk how to explain it. It's just better. And to me it eliminates the need for a top and bottom all together, so the character designs and behaviors can also be more "equal" if you will with minimum signaling of who's "feminine/bottom" and "top/masculine". And gives more room for more romance in a way. Idk how to explain it but it just improves everything when you look at a ship outside of the top/bottom dynamic, it's enhanced like this. It's like I had an epiphany or something. It's also kinda like how there isn't necessarily a top/bottom in F/F ships which used to be weird to me at first but with time after discovering my own sexuality and understanding sex better, I started to see the rigid dynamics as weird and unnatural. I know some people are actually like that irl or just prefer it that way in fiction but I'm personally into a more equal balanced relationship in my ships.
No. 2569028
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I'm amused how people itt are discovering the insanity of ship order autism in Asian fandoms
No. 2569087
>>2569049Yeah I mistagged it. I was trying to fix it but i keep getting asked to wait for 30 seconds.>over 100 hoursDamn that’s lengthy. I do not recall any of the DGR games being this huge. I will definitely be checking this out.
>they haven't reached that endingMakes sense. I do feel that kodaka stuff just does not have the kind of fanfare it did back on tumblr. Normalfag fujos these days only care about hoyo stuff and fotm shounen anime. But I guess it is for the better anyway. Smaller fandoms are far more comfy and fun.
No. 2569099
>>2569087>I will definitely be checking this out. Based, if you want the uncensored CGs get it on steam though.
>Smaller fandoms are far more comfy and fun.Agreed! It's cool seeing HL fujos draw fanart for other VNs like Ooe and Hashihime and I like how the game directly encourages people to check out other VNs by referencing them directly.
No. 2569144
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>>2569129>game actively drops yaoi VN referencesSadly it's not yaoi VNs. For now at least, that might change when the DLC comes out.
The game is very heavy on homo though, even compared to Kodaka's other works.
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>>2569125Lmao he's one of the top yume favorites so you can imagine why this
triggered them.
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>>2569158Daaaamn, I guess I assumed it was fujo exclusive since I just know that Yana did art for it and it's by nitroplus but I guess it makes sense that there's yume stuff as well.
No. 2569170
>>2568995KEK I thought that was a yaoi vn
and now I’m disappointed I didn’t expect it to be just another game from the danganronpa guy
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>>2569170It's bordering on it with the rape route.
No. 2569228
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>>2568984Kenjaku took over Geto's body and his domain expansion is associated with wombs. So probably this along with Geto's long hair has convinced fujos that he is some mommy. Personally he has always been the less attractive one in the ship to me. So I am genuinely amused when I see twitterfags calling him mother diva and other retarded shit, along with claiming that he is the most beautiful character ever. It would be okay if it were just harmless autism, but many satosugu fujos are clinically insane and live in an echo chamber. They have genuinely convinced themselves that Geto is a woman.
No. 2569272
>>2568863There's different types of fujos, some are anal(heh) about it and some are not.
Does anybody have the frog/snake/lizard chart, actually? Maybe it'll break the delusional that all fujo are a hivemind where some retard on titter is the control.
No. 2569288
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>>2569272https://fanlore.org/wiki/Kankai_na_Fujoshi
>The fujoshi are categorized by whether they want their favorite character to be seme or uke, whether they accept multishipping, and whether they accept reversible ships.>Snake: Has a fixed uke: multiships, but their favorite can only bottom.>Frog: Has a reversible OTP: no multishipping, but can accept switching in their favorite ship.>Slug: Has a fixed OTP: a favorite ship, with no switching and no multishipping.>Snail: Uses a mob character as seme for their favorite uke, either because there are no options in canon or because they only care about the one character. Tentacles are also an option.>Gecko: "Seme freak" who only wants their favorite to top.>Turtle: Can accept any ship in any order.>According to the original comic, the only possible interactions between the main trio are that Snake and Frog are both willing to look at posts and fanworks from Slug. >However Slug, who only wants to see one ship in one order, won't look at posts from Snake and Frog. >Snake and Frog are labeled as being unable to look at each other due to mutual landmines.>The Gecko character, who seems to be the seme equivalent of the Snake, is not depicted as part of the main trio because "fixed seme" fans are much rarer than "fixed uke" fans. i'm sad i don't fit into any of these descriptions, kek.
No. 2569298
>>2569296Same, seeing different interpretations of a character and how they interact is fun, though the more ooc it is the less interested I am. It's sorta like wine tasting, in a way.
I'll usually just switch around to whatever I'm feeling like that day.
No. 2569384
>>2568863Rarely. If we use the system
>>2569288 posted, I'm a frog fujo in most cases, so I don't have a strong preference for who tops or bottoms as long as I like the pairing. Logically I just think most same sex couples would get bored with one person always bottoming, you know? However, I usually have a headcanon about who bottoms more often, even if the couple is reversible. It's not something I typically feel super passionate about, however.
I think it's interesting that reversible pairings are more popular in the West than in Japan, where fujos take the seme/uke assignments very seriously to the point of infighting about it. Even as a seasoned fujo who's spent time in Japan, I couldn't tell you why these cultural differences exist.
>>2569309I agree, while I don't fault people for wanting a locked seme/uke dynamic, I'm glad "who tops?" is seemingly the one thing Western fujos don't sperg out and argue about. Using Ao3 as an example, we have one tag for a pairing regardless of who the seme is, and authors will often just add "bottom [character name]" in the additional tags.
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>>2568515>What's hot about two men being faggots? You know what's better than one scoop of ice cream?
Two scoops of ice cream.
>I'm a straight woman so I want a man to be attracted to meSo am I, but they're just drawings, so they're not going to be "attracted" to me either way.
>How do you forget the fact two men having sex would probably smell like shit?It's a drawing. There's only poop if the artist decides to draw it, and most don't.
>How do you get past the subcontext that most homosexual men are etremely misogynisticThe appeal of yaoi men is that they
look like men, but are written by (and sometimes like) women. Best of both worlds.
>And what's the appeal?See above
>Do you self insert?No, I'm a voyeur. In fact, my favorite characters tend to be absolutely nothing like me.
>that's why they'd rather fuck each other in the butt?If you think orientation is determined by dislike of certain groups, then by the same logic you must support political lesbianism. This is like saying all straight women hate women, or all straight men hate men.
>Not really antifujoCould've fooled me, the way you recycle their talking points.
>I'd much prefer it if I was able to enjoy gay shitWhy?
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>>2569288i thought about it some more and i think i'm a turtle in general but i often turn into a snake with specific characters that are traumatized or have gone through bad shit. i feel bad for them so i want them to feel loved and get spoiled and they end up having one hundred boyfriends in my mind. picrel, atsushi from bsd is a character like that for me.
No. 2569473
>>2569429Damn
nonnie you're right. I don't read het smut but I wouldn't want to see a woman doing that at all. Knowing the japanese they'd make it look like rape with tears in her eyes too.
No. 2569655
>>2569025This whole argument breaks down when you recall that gay men in real life do the exact same thing (not that yaoi has to resemble real life in any capacity, anyway). If we're talking about how gay moids operate in real life, I'm sure their preference for top or bottom has more to do with what they personally happen to find pleasurable than it does with the personality. From what I've seen, most of them have a thing they prefer, but are open to taking on the opposite role during sex, because moids are moids and at the end of the day, they're down for whatever as long as they get to cum. But other guys genuinely do refuse to do anything but top or anything but bottom, and I wouldn't characterize them as regressive or straight with extra steps or whatever. There's even a term for guys who aren't into penetration, period: sides.
I agree that fujos (epsecially Japanese ones) are little too obsessive when it comes to what personalities semes and ukes are "supposed" to have. Like you mentioned, it can seem very reductive, and sometimes like straight dynamics are being projected onto gay ships. But the purpose of yaoi is not to be a realistic representation of how gay men actually behave, it's meant to be sexy wish fulfilment for straight women. So if some "straight dynamics" are replicated in certain works, that's just life, and as long as there are works that
don't do that (of which there are plenty, especially in the West), people like you and I will always have options.
If you prefer frotting because it replicates the things you enjoy about F/F in an M/M context, I respect that, and more power to you. But the idea that frotting is somehow "less straight" is absurd. If men weren't meant to be penetrated whatsoever, evolution wouldn't have stuck a cum-button right next to their rectums.
No. 2569708
>>2569655Wasn't the prostate orgasm thing debunked? I could be wrong though. And if we're talking biology, anal leads to prolapse so it's not a very good or natural idea lol.
>So if some "straight dynamics" are replicated in certain works, that's just life, and as long as there are works that don't do that (of which there are plenty, especially in the West), people like you and I will always have options.I prefer the Japanese art works and sometimes writing because it's less preachy and activism-y, but it has the dynamic image tired of seeing and nothing but anal if they get freaky. The western stuff are cringe I could never enjoy them with all their consent declaration and paper sigining to get to fuck.
No. 2569738
>>2569582kinda retarded to base your worldview on what you’re being told both in real life and in fiction
unironically though>>2569708outside of fiction and in real life it’s a common idea that “real sex involves penetration” and “everything else is just foreplay” so it makes sense that you’d see that idea reflect itself in what people write. it is dumb though
No. 2569835
>>2569708>Anal leads to prolapse so it's not a very good or natural idea lol.Anons are going to be pissed off at me for saying this, but there's very little data pertaining specifically to the relationship between anal sex and anal prolapse, so it can't really be proven one way or the other.
Most of the research on the risks of anal sex focus on incontinence, which is uncommon (8.3% of women who receive vs. 5.7% of men who receive). Additionally, frequency and "roughness" both played major roles; couples who engaged in otherwise "vanilla" anal at a frequency of once a week or less did not have an elevated risk of injury compared to the general population; the majority of complications were associated with individuals who engaged in "high risk" behavior, like fisting, chemsex, dry anal, and BDSM. Sauce: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02995-2And more to the point, no one is going to develop a fucking prolapse or rectal incontinence in a yaoi manga, because it's fiction for women and no woman wants to see that (aside from maybe like, three schizos on all of planet Earth).
>Wasn't the prostate orgasm thing debunked?No? There isn't much clinical research on this topic, but of the few academic and clinical papers I found on Google Scholar, none indicated anything that could remotely be characterized as "debunking." Here's one:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ca.23006>>2569782Yes, I mentioned it already. Gay men who don't do anal are called "sides."
No. 2569937
>>2569421Yeah, I never really understood this point from the few yume antifujos that make it, being one myself. I get that it's fun to self-insert and daydream, but to do it all the time is boring (imo), and to not understand that other people don't self-insert is weird. And it's not even with romance specifically, but stories about anything in general. As much as I enjoy self-insertion, I find as much enjoyment reading about characters who are nothing like me, living very different lives, discovering who they are as people, how they approach conflicts and their relationships with other characters. Those antifujos might say that because self-inserting is their main hobby or they find fujos annoying, but I can only guess.
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>>2569835You clearly weren't hete for anorectal violence-chan going epic style all over here and crystal café with her PhD in anal injuries teaching us all the consequences of anal sex and it shows
No. 2570888
>>2570876Why? It's evident that he dislikes the idea of fucking one, so does he just like
looking at unsullied anuses? Is he really into giving analingus?
No. 2571260
>>2570915>>2545679>>2545620>>2568959>>2568977>>2569033All the fan weirdness around
Gojo is part of why I never watched JJK. The situation seemed Onceler-esque to me.
No. 2580864
>>2569004I don't think it's super out of question, I can see their dynamic leaning either way depending on the route. Then again I'm usually a fan of switching and less 'popular' ship dynamics in general so maybe that affects my view.
>>2569025>frottingBased. I don't mind penetration but fics that just focus on it for the most part kinda do nothing for me. Like the other anons said, a lot of people out there think that ''real'' sex = penetration, so I've accepted that most smut M/M fics will inevitably have it, although I really appreciate when proper focus gets put on the 'foreplay' part (and non-penetrative sex) as well.
I read jp fics a lot and I've observed that jp fujos can get REALLY creative when it comes to smut, without making it too degenerate, which is a breath of fresh air compared to seeing the same tropes get reused a thousand times in western fics (obsession with breeding, mpreg, dom daddy stuff, ofc cuntboy/TiF, etc). Although they can be extreme in some other ways, such as having arbitrary rules regarding what's ''okay'' for a top/bottom to do (bottoms can't be dominant/lead during sex, tops can't be pathetic or wear female clothes, tops should be cool while bottoms should be cute, etc) and I fucking hate whenever they try to force these because it's just being limiting for no reason.
No. 2580940
>>2580903A mix of both, I guess. I have a decent understanding of spoken japanese thanks to years of watching anime and jp content, but my kanji knowledge is still lacking so i use DeepL. It's not perfect but it's good enough for me (especially when I'm starving for specific ship content and I can't find good en fics), just make sure that you utilize the glossary so it gets character names right, and translate it paragraph by paragraph since it can mess up when the text is too long. You can find a lot of fics on pixiv, not all of them are going to be well written but I bet you'll find some concept that you've never seen explored before eventually.
>>2580917It's actually the opposite for me, my ideal ships have both the top and bottom being more on the cute side. But regardless of preference, my bigger problem is how some fujos just try really hard to make both the top and bottom fit these made up ''roles'', to the point where either one or both of them end up being mischaracterized messes. The situation is slowly improving, although some fujos do still go out of their way to put warnings about anything that's ''out of the norm''. I found it pretty funny when a jp artist I follow had to put in their bio that they often draw the top character in the ship as cute and pathetic and not cool at all kek.