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A thread for Leafs to discuss their homeland.
Discuss Canadian problems, politics, history, crime, culture, current happenings, etc.
>Where do you think Canada is heading in the future?>What do you think is the biggest challenge facing Canada?>How do you think Canada can improve itself?>Why do you think Canada is so great, or, so bad?>What are the best parts of life in Canada? What are the worst parts?N'hésitez pas à utiliser la langue du Québec. En vérité, le Québec est le Canada authentique et pur.
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As a reminder, to both anons and farmhands, discussing immigration does NOT constitute racebait. Discussing immigration should not be restricted within this thread, as it is a very real and topical issue in Canada. No. 2517159
I found this video and it made me laugh. The actor really sells it.
>>2517045I think a lot of young people voted conservative because they were tired of having liberals in, nothing to do with the actual politics of the parties or anything. Young people don't matter anyway, as long as the over-50 crowd is satisfied that's all that matters.
No. 2517225
>>2517045PP is pro-immigration just like every other major party leader, but the Liberal government ramped up immigration as soon as they got in power and have pledged to keep immigration levels higher than PP did (I think PP suggested 250k/year and Carney said 550/year). They're both acolytes of the Century Initiative so they're both into 'postnationalism' and rapid population growth through immigration but I think young people believed the Conservatives were the better of two bad choices especially considering the Liberals' track record to fuck everything up in never-before-seen ways.
The other major reason is probably housing and carbon tax shit and just affordability in general. The Liberals are extremely invested in keeping housing expensive and PP talked a lot about housing affordability during his campaign, Carney was one of the main architects of the current housing crisis and most Liberal voters are boomer homeowners so young people want to vote against them for obvious reasons. Carney threw some bones about reducing the carbon tax but is introducing other 'hidden' carbon taxes while Poilievre was against them in general from what I understand. I agree with
>>2517159 though that it's largely just about wanting a change. The messaging from the Liberals has been 'yeah we fucked everything up for the younger voters and we think we did a great job' so younger people's voting patterns were a reaction against that. They don't want to continue rewarding a party that congratulates itself on fucking up their futures. Most people I've talked to reluctantly voted Conservative because they didn't feel PP would change as much as he should but they thought it would be better than nothing.
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>>2517269Why did you bring up the mexican fruit pickers anon? Nobody cares about them
No. 2517337
>>2517303What's more autistic, spending a week obsessively trying to re-start a dead conversation about farm workers that you were inexplicably
triggered by to the point of trying to cozy up to the same anon who made the post with your schizo theory about Amerifag boomer thread infiltration to talk about it, then dragging it into a new thread, or stating that the UAE is a slave economy, a point 5-6 different anons all agreed with because it's blatantly obvious? I guess we will never know, but if you don't want to seem like a sperg you could just stop sperging about it and move on. I think there are only 1-2 anons in this thread dead-set on continuing to talk about mexican fruit pickers and it's obvious who they are.
Kek though at
>What you're saying sounds typical and most people have been hearing these things>You are also simultaneously an American boomer hellbent on silencing discussion of Canadians' everyday lived experienceswhile derailing a conversation about the canadian job market because of your special interest, mexican fruit pickers, apparently.
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>>2517337>What's more autistic, Nta but I love that you started another multi-paragraph sperg with this kekkk
(bait) No. 2521532
>>2521477The older generation (boomers) - had everything handed to them, doesn't care to help the younger ones
Immigrants - openly criticize culture, pissed Canada isn't the motherlode they thought it was, treat women the same way as in their home countries
Large chunk of the younger generation - live at home with their parents. Literally so many people I know are doing this. It's delayed adolescence. Maybe I'm just jealous because I can't..
People who got theirs - who cares about home prices etc being driven up?? We should all virtue signal so everyone knows how important I am ~
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Has anyone been following the pictou county missing kids case? It's very suspicious and a lot of people are speculating the parents had something to do with it. The kids supposedly wandered off their property while the parents were sleeping and haven't been seen since, no trace of them has been found. They hadn't been to school in 3 days before being reported missing and the mother left town and cut contact with the father the next day.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613 No. 2521782
>>2521772Don't bother with an MA right now, you'd be wasting your time and prolonging the inevitable. A lot of people get these "useless" (I don't agree with the term) Bachelors degrees, and then when they realize that there's no job market for them, they think that going and getting a Masters will change everything, but it won't.
Get into a college program for a career or profession that is in demand. Obvious examples include medical technicians. For example, most x-ray technician programs are 2 years, and there's a big market. You'd probably get a job right after graduation. Same thing with pharmaceutical technicians. Maybe in your late 30s or early 40s you can go back for your Masters degree if you're still interested in it.
The reason why a lot of highly-educated professionals can't find jobs here is because those industries are too small in this country, there's not enough opportunities. That's why so many STEM graduates end up graduating, because there's a much higher change of getting a job in the field elsewhere. It's the same thing for your field.
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>>2521782Seconding this, unless you're already getting work in your arts field in which case it might be a good idea to do an MFA a few years later once you've racked up more of a clientele. If you're doing a bachelor's in a fine or performing arts field and you don't have steady work already, there's really no point in a master's at this stage.
Look for 1-2 year college programs or trade schools or something like that if you want to be more employable. You could also just try applying for jobs vaguely related to your bachelor's before your graduation, you might get lucky.
No. 2521864
>>2521782I don't think this is necessarily good advice, Masters degrees are the new bachelors degrees. They're a basic job requirement for a lot of fields.
2 year college programs are extremely oversaturated with TFWs right now.
No. 2521900
>>2521864In the fine arts doing a master's is typically something you do after a few years working, to refine your craft. Everyone I know who did a master's straight out of their bachelor's in fine or performing arts just ended up unemployed after because arts school is mostly for the connections and resources while you're working and building up a portfolio/connections. If that nonna is worried about job prospects now then dumping more money into attending grad school probably isn't a good idea.
It is possible to get jobs other than independent artist with arts degrees though, some people manage. She should at least try looking for a job first before jumping right into an unrelated degree, probably.
No. 2522130
>>2521864>Masters degrees are the new bachelors degreesExcept they aren't. Degrees don't entitle you to lucrative jobs in Canada. Maybe if this was some other country. Canada has the most educated population in the G7, but the issue is that because so many people here have degrees, and because there's so few jobs that require them, they're essentially useless. It devalues the wages of the jobs that do require them, and it heightens competition between holders.
>2 year college programs are extremely oversaturated with TFWs right now.Those are international students, not TFWs, and really they're only a problem at certain disreputable colleges. Most of the colleges that still give a crap about education limit them. She can spend 2 years getting her Masters in the Fine Arts, and then be screwed over even more at graduation, or she can spend 2 years in a college program preparing for employment in a stable career. In our economy, the latter is better than the former.
>>2521900>Everyone I know who did a master's straight out of their bachelor's in fine or performing arts just ended up unemployed after because arts school is mostly for the connections and resources while you're working and building up a portfolio/connections.Me too. Even outside the arts, most of the people that I know with a graduate degree are working in retail making less than $20/hour.
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>>2522479A lot of people do move, there's something like 1 million Canadian citizens that reside in the USA. Emigration to the USA specifically has increased in recent years. According to a CBC article published in 2024, emigration to the USA hit a 10-year high in 2022, with over 125 thousand people leaving Canada that year alone - a 70% increase from 2012. I found this table on the StatCan website, and although the data stops at 2017, you can there's a continual increase in emigrants as the decades march on.
Whining is the national pass-time. Canadians love to whine and complain. It's why the whiners stay in Canada and the people that don't like to whine leave. Even you whine about the whiners. It's a never-ending cycle of whining and complaining.
>It's not even an extensive process compared to other types of visa applications.It might not be as difficult as other visa processes, but it's still an extensive process that a lot of people aren't up for. It's by no means an easy thing to do; it requires time, energy, and money. A lot of the people that live cheque-to-cheque (which is something like 47% of the population, according to recent polls) don't have the time, energy, or money to consider emigration - but, of course, they do have enough time and energy to complain.
>why don't you just move?It's different for everyone. Some people aren't adventurous, some people aren't educated, some people are cowards, some people have to care for elderly family members, etc. A lot of people are swayed by family and friends that want them to stay.
>If it's so much better down southThis is another barrier to emigration. A lot of Canadians have this superiority complex, specifically when it comes to the USA, that they'll not-so-secretly seethe whenever you mention that you're planning to emigrate. "
If it's so much better," no, not "
if," you should say "
since it's so much better," because America DOES have a stronger economy, it DOES have more jobs, it DOES offer higher salaries. When a Canadian talks about moving down to the States, half the time all the people around them feel the need to start shitting on America and ranting about how Canada is superior in every which way, and that in itself can act as a deterrent. When I first starting telling people about my plan to emigrate, I was called a traitor, a quitter, a loser, and more, all because I dared to admit that I didn't like living in Canada. Frankly, it's ridiculous the hoops that a lot of Canadians have to jump through to justify their undeserved superiority complexes.
No. 2523729
>>2522578All good points, but primarily I'd say the reason a lot of people don't move is that they aren't right out of school and free to do that. With a TN visa you're still basically tied to your employer in the US so a lot of people have to consider that they could start a whole new life in the US and have to move back up here (moving is expensive and time consuming) often with family in tow. You won't get a green card just for getting married in the US so if you start a family down there and lose your job you may have to move back. It's a bigger issue who already have family up here - one spouse may have a job they could get a TN with but the other spouse may not, there can be concern about school for the kids (Canada still does have marginally better primary/secondary schooling than the US, though it's nosediving fast), and moving the rest of your family over can be a nightmare even if you yourself could be earning more in the States. I would highly recommend to anyone straight out of school, single, and childless to move to the US if they can, even if it's just for a few years to earn some more money and save up, but the older you get the harder it is. I know two couples going through this now, where one partner was offered a job in the US and both partners were down to move but the other partner isn't having any luck getting a visa in the States so they're most likely staying. The people I know who have moved down there successfully are single and unattached.
You also may need specific education or work criteria to get a TN, like you could be working as a programmer at a big company in Canada without a compsci bachelor's (you 'learned to code') and the US branch of the company you're working for can't offer you a TN visa unless you either get the education or have worked a certain number of years at the company. I also know someone this happened to, they interviewed successfully at a major tech company in Seattle, were offered the job, and then had the job offer rescinded over a technicality and now are stuck working for a branch of that company here for several more years before they can figure out a way to move them down to the States.
Basically if you have it all planned out far enough in advance it should be pretty doable but a lot of the complaining is people who just diligently did what their parents/teachers told them they should do (get a college education in a good field!) without thinking too hard about the economy generally, graduated, started job searching and then realized they're screwed. They've been suddenly blindsided by the shitty job market because they thought the planning they had done back in high school was sufficient to land them a good job upon graduation, so now they're complaining. Most young people don't think that hard about the practicalities of the economy and starting a household when they're in the middle of college, they're probably still bankrolled by their parents, and focusing on getting good grades like everyone tells them to. The boomer and Gen X parents and teachers don't understand the job market either and think they can easily get a job as long as they have a degree and apply to a handful of companies so there likely isn't anyone to tell them to plan to get out.
No. 2523775
>>2523729>a lot of the complaining is people who just diligently did what their parents/teachers told them they should do (get a college education in a good field!) without thinking too hard about the economy generally, graduated, started job searching and then realized they're screwedThis is pretty much what fucked me over and why I chose to leave. When I was growing up, I was told that if I tried hard, and studied a lot, got a degree, I'd have a good easy life. That was the social contract that my parents told me about and what my teachers and other important figures in my life told me. I graduated secondary school in the mid-2010s, went to university, graduated in the top 20% of my class - why can't I have a nice life? Why can't I afford a place to live? Why cant I find a job? Why do I have to go to the food bank? The social contract is broken, and I didn't even realize it until I was out of university.
And a lot of patriots (read: copium addicts) will cope and say "oh, well EVERY Western country is doing bad! EVERY Western country has inflation! EVERY Western country has a housing crisis, rabble rabble rabble!" and it's like yeah, that's true, but Canada is the worst of the bunch! By all measures, it's the worst! I'd rather live in the 3rd worst country than in the worst country.
No. 2523807
>>2523775I am not leaving at the moment but I had a similar experience to you, just earlier. I graduated university in the 2010s, had to get like 4 different part-time jobs to just barely survive, went back to grad school and did really really well in grad school, but finished it already knowing I would be screwed again post-COVID. I have a job that's kind of related to my education, ish, and pays well by the hour but it's not salaried and finding a salaried job amidst all the ghost jobs when each job I apply for gets like 200 applicants within an hour of being posted is a nightmare. I got lucky with housing though so I know my situation is way better than most, except I can basically never move if I ever want cheap housing like this again and my neighbourhood is turning into a total shitheap. It was so nice when I first moved in.
I kind of agree with the people saying every Western country (except the USA probably) is bad and has its own problems, but financially Canada is probably the worst. Some other countries in Europe have worse immigration issues, like some British cities are like 60% North African/Pakistani immigrants now and Canada still is probably safer for women than some of those places, but in terms of social mobility, affordable housing, etc. I agree it's the worst, and the biggest issue is that there's so little pushback against it getting worse by the people who live here. This whole better than America politeness culture is running the country into the ground because no one wants to admit how bad things have gotten here. I have a lot of sympathy for what you're calling patriots wanting to stick around and fight to make their own home better instead of just leaving but a handful of people can't do that effectively when everyone else is just sticking their fingers in their ears going lalalala I can't hear you this is the best country in the world!
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>>2523854Ok, I hope that’s true
I’m engaged to a guy who’s dual American and Canadian citizenship and I was hoping to move there for a bit.. his mom is adamantly against it though but at least now I know that there’s not as much of a risk as the news says
People also say America is so dangerous do you think that’s overblown? Canada is pretty dangerous at the moment but guns etc. are restricted
No. 2523866
>>2523860Ntayrt but someone last thread posted statistics about this, in this
>>2493843 post. Canada is more dangerous than America, statistically speaking you're more likely to be a
victim or a violent crime or property crime in Canada than in the USA.
No. 2523868
>>2523860Canada has a higher violent crime rate than the US at the moment, anon. And in the US the 'dangerous areas' are usually specific areas within specific cities, whereas in Canada the crime is spread around more. If you know which neighbourhoods to stay away from in the US you're probably safer on the streets there than you are in Canadian cities overall.
I know people who go back and forth for work many times per year and most of them have no issues whatsoever, the stories where someone gets thrown into a detention centre for weeks are usually just weird freak cases. Speaking for myself I got temporarily detained at the border/airport under suspicion twice as a teenager/early-20s person, once under Bush and once under Obama, and it was completely fucking random because I was like a tiny young girl (in one case underage) but the border security people there like to power trip. I got held back from my connecting flight to Canada because some retarded moid accused me of trying to illegally emigrate into the United States kek, and kept shushing me when I told him I was actually trying to leave the US and he was stopping me from leaving. In both cases they ended up letting me go eventually but this shit has always happened to random people even though 99.99% of people will go through without issue.
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>>2525442Since you have a PHD, it might be a lot easier for you to just get a job as a geologist or at least a job in the geology field in the USA with a TN visa. Most employers will bring you in under a TN visa, and then if they like you they'll be entering you into the H1B lottery every year in hopes that you get it. So even though the TN visa itself is temporary, most people with it stay in the USA for long periods of time. I'd really consult with an immigration lawyer that's familiar with the TN visa process if I were you.
Your idea that the USA and Australia are doomed seems more like a projection or a doomer state of mind. The USA and Australia are really great countries to live and work in, at least better than Canada in a lot of regards. I'd consider the USA and Australia, but the USA specifically, to offer you more opportunities and a higher quality of life than the EU.
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I love the dynamics of the drug addiction crisis. Shopping downtown for the day and walked by 14 homeless drug addicts in total, this is the only one I snapped a photo of because he kept nodding out and smashing his head on the ground before leaning back up until nodding off again. Watching everyone walking past these animals without looking at them is so strange. Ignoring the problem only makes the problem worse. I do think that the animals should be put down, because I live in a city with under 100k people but we still have hundreds of deranged addicts roaming the street and fighting off delusion-demons while screaming and getting their own blood everywhere. It's gross.
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>>2525432Out of the countries listed the USA would probably be ideal. I wouldn't personally move to China, Africa or the UK right now. Australia has some advantages but many of the same issues Canada does, but it's not the worst option either. There are a lot of good things about Australia including a generally chiller/better-compensated work culture (especially for women), better climate (if you don't love the freezing cold), etc. I also would imagine there might be ample geological work available there but I might be wrong, that's just my assumption (my dad has graduate education in geology and he was offered jobs in Australia multiple times though he never took them).
>>2525926Saying they should be put down is a bit much but I agree something needs to be done about the addict problem. I live in a bigger city and just walking to the nearest grocery store or the gym I probably pass 20 of these people every time. They always come hang out in my building too since we don't have security and endanger everyone. The push to functionally decriminalize (public) drug use and offer 'safe injection sites' (kek) has made things so much worse in many cities. My friend a couple years ago said some methhead passed out in the middle of a crosswalk at a busy intersection and no one even called the cops, cars just drove around him because no one wants to deal with it anymore. Then there's like total normie college students who walk around with narcan trying to revive these idiots risking their own safety. At some point I think we need forced rehab/institutionalization for people who nod off/OD/use hard drugs in public at least but there's such a stigma against asylums and forced rehab no one wants to do it.
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Remember to thank your local Poop Fairies everyone!! Elbows up!!Canada #1 best country in world!!!
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/vancouvers-poop-fairies No. 2529397
>>2529347There's also the political element of it. The largest voting demographic is people over 50, so every party is going to try their hardest to appeal to them over the younger generation so that they can win elections. This is a problem that's happening in a lot of ageing countries, and it won't be changing anytime soon. Besides being the bigger demographic, they're also the ones that show up and vote the most. For all the Zoomers whinging on TT about how important voting is, they never seem to turn up to actually vote.
All the parties know that they have to work their hardest to maintain the current real estate market, and in essence, make homes more unaffordable, because that's what the voters that matter want. They want to have the value of their shoddy home to keep increasing year after year, otherwise they're not going to be able to retire well and live well. Right now, people over 50 own about a third of everything. When they were buying homes in their 20s, the old people at that time owned less than 8%.
The country is eating the future to feed the past.
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This kind of shit honestly pisses me off. I promise I am not trying to race bait but if you can't afford tuition overseas then maybe you should?? go back to your own country?? Instead of creating an online campaign and trying to make everyone feel bad for you?? I'm probably just salty as someone who's indigenous and suffered a lot of abuse growing up but the entitlement of some of these foreigners is insane. I honestly don't care if the kid is Albert Einstein- stop begging for the money of Canadians when we can barely fund our own people.
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>>2531852There seems to be this unspoken thought: "Everyone deserves to study, work, and live in Canada, no matter where they're from; they are entitled to be here," and I have to ask - why? If a person doesn't have the money to come here for education, then don't come here for education. It's not exactly rocket science. Shall I show up to Iran and say to the ayatollah "Oh, please let me in! I want to study! Also, I don't have money!" and see what he says? No. Nobody is entitled to study, work, or reside in Canada besides Canadians.
Potential international students are asked to prove that they have the funds to support themselves for the duration of their studies before they're issues a student visa, so I'm confused as to why she was allowed into the country to begin with if she never had the funds. Is there a special consideration due to her young age? Maybe 15 year olds shouldn't be in university, even if they are geniuses. Maybe 15 year olds should be kids for a while and wait until they're legal adults before moving to another country as a student.
The whole situation is confusing because the articles lead you to believe that she came to Canada on her own on a student visa, but it seems as she came here with her mother who is on a work visa. Was the work visa approved before the student visa, or vice versa? Concordia University accepted her 2 years ago, but her documents took so long to verify that she only started Fall 2024. Was that not enough time for her mother and father, both employed full-time, to save up $20k? They should have already had it saved up if she got the student visa. The immigration system is so convoluted and it's not working correctly. The journalists didn't do a good job either, they wrote a very biased story and they should have done more investigation.
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>>2531912>The journalists didn't do a good job eitherTheir job is to promote immigration to canada and pacify/gaslight canadians on the topic of immigration. That's pretty much their only job, it's kind of a running joke how "sob stories" in the news are always about non-canadians
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>>2530145>>2530382Inheritance seems to becoming a hot-topic these days. The Toronto Sun just released an article today about a survey regarding inheritance. Apparently about 60% of parents believe that they won't have much money left over for their kids to inherit. It's interesting when you pair this survey with studies that have been released lately which imply that Canada is becoming a very socially unequal country with low levels of class mobility.
I do agree though, I think that both the inheritance tax and the exit tax will become bigger hurdles in the near future. The exit tax is already at 25%, but if emigration trends continue then I wouldn't be surprised if that rate shot up to 40% or 50%.
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Well anons, it's happening again. Fuck Canada Post.
No. 2533593
>>2531852Honestly this sounds mean but Concordia has terrible bio/biochem programs, so she can't possibly be especially talented and necessary for our country. There are people with biochem degrees from UofT and McGill who can't get a job in pharma. This whole thing seems like a weird grift.
>>2531912Who's the legal guardian that isn't her mother? Everything about this story is really strange. But you're right, we're not a dumping ground for every 'smart' person in the world to get educated here and compete with Canadians for already limited jobs. I don't give a shit that some slightly smarter-than-average Iranian teenager doesn't have a free $150k lying around, neither do I. When I can't pay for luxuries like international degrees I just don't buy them, and I think that goes for most people.
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>>2537290>>2537388Ah yes, the Canadian Dream where teenagers can’t earn an income or learn basic job skills anymore because Tim Horton’s (along with every small locally-owned shop in more rural areas) is only hiring Indian scrotes now. Vive la Canadienne! I’m seething so hard rn
No. 2537632
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Just a non-canuck with a question. Is it actually common for people to use bagged milk? It gives me the vibes of one of those things that mostly only older people do.
No. 2538636
It's frustrating to see americans coming into Canada because of trump.
>>2537045Yeah, that's what I was telling my husband too because at least we were engaged when I moved to the states.
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Canadians are always perplexed why Canada never seem to extract its rich natural resources and trade it to the world economy to enrich us. Well…here is why. Any industrial project that will create jobs and stimulate the economy (whether mining or new oil pipelines) will always be met by opposition from a certain group. Why do we have to listen to them anyways?
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Fag. Also do any other leafs just never mention they have irish ancestry, bc irish people (in general) are such assholes about it? I've never heard of any other nationality gatekeeping their heritage, only the irish
No. 2539748
>>2539538>I've never heard of any other nationality gatekeeping their heritage, only the irishI've seen this with a few different nationalities, annecdotes about some Americans of Russian ancestry who worked in Moscow and Petersburg and tried to 'reconnect with their roots' who pretty much got bullied by the Russians and told they will never be Russian until they left. I've also heard plenty of horror stories about Nisei being lured over to Japan with promises of work and integration being treated abominably. Chinese Americans who work in China as english teachers have told me that they're treated worse than the white teachers, they tell me the natives consider them retarded and / or counterfeit Chinese.
I'd say it's less a matter of gatekeeping the ethnicity and more of an irritation with foreigners who just don't fit in or understand the culture expecting to be seen as one of them. It's probably just better known with people of Irish ancestry because of the sheer size of the Irish diaspora and how much of it is concentrated in North America.
I have witnessed a bit of this internally in Canada with people from the East being sort of passive aggressive towards Easterners who go out West to work and no longer fit in.
No. 2539780
>>2539768>you guys are the problemFor existing outside of ireland and nice try. Read the thread
>>2539672 It's especially obvious if you don't live in a "cultural melting pot" like the usa how they are the only group who (actually) do this
No. 2539784
>>2539756I suspect that the Irish have a bit more of an innate hostility towards outsiders claiming Irish status due to their ongoing history with the UK and a fear of colonization. The Northern Ireland issue has been kind of shelved but could become a flashpoint again very easily. There's also probably a sense of irritation towards the descendants of people who, from their perspective, jumped ship when things got hard and left their ancestors to hold things together. Not saying they're necessarily right to feel this way but it is understandable.
I'm probably claiming more understanding than I should be but my family comes from a culture with a lot of historical grievances and these kinds of attitudes run deep.
No. 2539822
>>2539787Do you know much about his state and the town or city he lives in? There is a lot of variation across the United States, the entire country isn't a shooting gallery and some of the safest cities in the world are in the US. If you haven't grown up around firearms I can understand them being kind of frightening on principle but plenty of perfectly pleasant communities are armed to the teeth.
Alternatively, is it out of the question for him to move to Canada for work? We still have plenty of American transplants in my industry, they do alright up here.
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>>2539672This is exactly it. They can be Irish-Canadians, or Canadian of Irish Descent, but they can't be plain Irish. The issue with Irish-Canadians is that they're usually always descended from Irish groups that arrived in Canada pre-1922, yet they insist that they are Irish and not British.
>>2539801>how stateless it makes canadians feel when being "canadian" doesn't mean anything anymoreIt's never meant anything. Being "Canadian" has never meant anything ever before. Being "Canadian" is a government invention of the mid-20th century. Historically, Canadians identified as either British, or as Quebecois, Acadian, or Amerindian. Canada is a Britannic country first and foremost. It's only quite recently that the federal government has decided on it's status as a "cultural mosaic" or a "post-national state," but even that isn't a de facto reflection of the country.
>>2539589>Italian-canadians are allowed to be italian indefinitely, it must be niceMost Canadians of Italian descent are the children of Italians that immigrated to Canada in the mid-20th century, specifically the 1950s-1980s. Most are able to understand the Italian in some capacity. Every Canadian of Italian descent that I've met had grandparents that were born in Italy and had vast amounts of living family still in Italy.
Irish immigration to Canada was the most significant from 1830-1850, and about 65% of them were Protestants and identified as British-Irish, or even just British, rather than Irish. Comparing Irish-Canadians and Italian-Canadians is like comparing apples to oranges.
>>2539787>guns are scary!But Canada has a higher violent crime rate than America. Even with guns, America is statistically safer than Canada. You're more likely to be a
victim of a violent crime in Canada than in America.
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>>2539889There was a shared cultural identity prior to "post national state" and becoming the world's filthy rented mattress anon. Only a true redditard could attempt to deny/gaslight about that so I know you mean according to elites
>more replies to my postsI'm OP and don't care about this topic anymore. My biodad's mom was born in ireland and my grandfather's mom. I've noticed certain canadians always insist I'm british, even though both sides of my family immigrated directly from ireland and my grandmother's side are literal pioneers from scotland. It's just weird "no true scotsman" is about scottish people and not the irish, since they are the ones who are obnoxious about this and scottish people aren't. I hope they enjoy all the new "irish" folks living there, Canadians certainly don't feel welcome coming back so migrants it is
No. 2539918
What about the east coasters with deep Irish roots? Their accent and culture are very Irish.
>>2539787I think the fact you’re leaving your family should be thought about more. I was ok leaving mine in Canada because they have the money to come see me. Plus I’ve never really lived on my own before (at 28 lol) and needed independence.
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>>2539901>>2539916>There was a shared cultural identityExcept there wasn't. You could maybe, just maybe, argue that some provinces have unique cultures, but even that can be debated. The only cultures that historically exist in Canada are: Amerindian, Acadian, Quebecois, and Britannic.
There was never a "Canadian culture." All "Canadian culture" you speak about is really just cheap facsimile of Quebecois culture that was appropriated by the federal government and haphazardly applied to the British-majority areas to give legitimacy to Canada as a state independent of Britain. "Canadian culture" is cheap, it's consumerist, and it's confused.
>I'm OP and don't care about this topic anymoreThat's okay, but we can all still talk about the topic because you're not in control of the conversation.
>>2539920Stop posting this fricking video kek this is like the 3rd or 4th time, we get it! You can grow stuff in BC, wow! I hate you Bob Duncan shill.
No. 2540278
>>2539925Go back to Twitter and your gender studies I’m so tired of you brainless neoliberals regurgitating the same shill that caused our country to fracture.
Please tell me about how much you love trannies and shared bathrooms too plz <3
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>>2539920Welcome to Sidney
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>>2540285Because a lot of people that live in this country have no idea of its history or its cultures, they only believe what the government tells them to believe, then they turn around and spew misinformation.
>>2540282Can you produce evidence of Canadian culture? Can you then distinguish that evidence of Canadian culture from British culture, Amerindian cultures, or Quebecois culture? Or is your headache too severe?
It's kind of interesting that up to the 1950s, only those in Quebec identified as "Canadian," everyone else identified as British. It's kinda funny that you can still see this effect today whenever a census is taken. It's almost like the culture of the Quebecois is an organic culture that the federal government co-opted in the wake of the fall of Empire to legitimize Canada as an independent state. It's almost like everything we think of as "Canadian" is actually "Quebecois" or "British."
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>>2540278Don't respond to the baiter when you get back anon