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No. 2430952

ITT:A thread for open/closeted ex-Muslims and or Muslims who are questioning their faith

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No. 2431129

>>2430952
Why did you choose a hijab wearing woman for threadpic? Now we have to endure this retardedness for months.

No. 2431322

>>2431129
Not the thread maker but maybe it will help encourage Muslim anons to ditch this disgusting misogynistic religion

No. 2431490

>>2431322
Are there even any 'Muslim anons' on here? How can you be a farmer and a Muslim kek(bait)

No. 2431785

>>2430952
I do love myself some
>Misogin-i

No. 2432543

i hate retardan so much. i can fake fast and eat fairly easily (i stored snacks in my room over a couple months as preparation) but the effect on my sleep is brutal. also mom reminding me to pray because i need to pray for her after she's dead. most religions are about fear of death and using it to control the population. i am doing revenge bedtime procrastination tonight because i'm in a bad mood over all this.

No. 2432551

>>2432543
what kind of snacks do you like? Procrastinate with me

No. 2432565

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>>2431490
We ask ourselves this question everytime. Just like being born with FAS, none of of us chose this.

No. 2432566

>>2432551
i hoarded these disgusting protein bars, it's honestly a good thing because i'm not tempted to overeat them. but the snacks i like is well, most of them otherwise kek.

No. 2432585

>>2432565
nta but I get it, I know some blackpilled aligned radfems might not understand it, but the loss of my faith was such a disturbing experience, they have no idea what having a real religion is like. right now I believe in the idea of what I consider god in my local language and saints but nothing beyond that

No. 2432590

>>2432585
Islam literally tells you that you deserve to be stoned to death for cheating and I still clung to it like a retard. Imagine being stoned because you cheated. How cringe is that

No. 2432606

>>2432590
Well I once prayed numerous times to Allah asking for forgiveness for having "weird" thoughts about boys after watching Maid-sama. "Please Allah, this will be the last time I would think such sinful things, please don't send me to Hell" or something like that.

No. 2432618

>>2432590
it's childhood indoctrination and fear of being isolated from everything you know, plus patriarchy instilling the idea any mistake a woman makes (or really us existing) is a grave sin but men are easily forgiven and need to be catered to.
>>2432606
huh i never felt embarrassed as a kid for crushes for religious reasons, only felt bad since i was a loser. islam didn't seem to have much about sexual guilt, but pressuring about sex within marriage and no premarital sex.

No. 2432656

>>2432618
Same nona, I had a relatively normal upbringing from ages 1 to 10. My parents let me go to public school, I was able to be friends with a boy and go on a field trip with him when my own homeroom teacher was hesitant to let me. I told my mom I had a crush on the boy and she didn’t care as long as I didn’t get into a relationship with him. Then again, I’m American and I’ve heard the muzzies here are relatively more moderate so…

No. 2432664

>>2432585
Yeah, Islam involves a level of involvement in a persons daily life that’s honestly incomparable. The way you eat from a plate, the way you enter the bathroom, what you say before eating, duaa before traveling, etc… And for women, having to wear the hijab even when around your male cousins. Not being able to believe in it anymore makes you realize how hollow life is without it. Honestly, sometimes I pray/talk to God just to stop my chest from feeling so tight because I feel so lost on how to find stability in my life.

No. 2432666

i remember back at the days in highschool when i was in my shithole country i was hiding myself with my friends in a park so we could smoke (smoking outside during ramadan in muslim countries is heavily prohibited). a policeman came up randomly and caught me while i was throwing my cig away. he grabbed my arm and i begged him to let me go because i was a minor and i had reasons to not fast (lied about being diabetic). he let me go and warned me that if he sees me doing it again i would end up at the police station kek. also at that time i used to hide myself in my parent's car so i could drink water without people seeing me or drinking in highschool's toilets. i'm so glad that i'm not in this country anymore and not caring about this hellish month again.

No. 2432748

>>2432606
>>2432585
i used to feel so much guilt and self-hatred for drawing. I still can't draw to this day

No. 2432759

God, can this month be over already? My sleep schedule is so fucked, I only get 4 hours a day, and with work on top, it's unbearable,

No. 2432806

>>2432543
samefag i only slept 3 hours. i don't know how i am going to work today my job requires intense focus. what the fuck i hate this month and myself for sucking up to my mom like a bitch and doing this shit.

No. 2433271

Does anyone else feel something similar to survivors guilt? I grew up in a shitty, conservative muslim household and was forced to wear hijab ever since I was a little girl. Also, can I just say muslim women in Europe are the most stupid breed of women I’ve ever met? It’s either some ugly hag wearing a black tent raving about how your husband has the right to be a paedo or some libtard hijabi thot with 10kg of makeup preaching on tiktok about Islam ACTUALLY gave women rights! I wish I could actually bring over women from the third-world and send these stupid bitches back to the amazing muslim countries they so badly want to make hijrah to.

I’m now in my twenties, I rent my apartment with my boyfriend, earn double the average salary for a person my age (the best part about this is my parents actively discouraged me working and having a career) and barely contact my parents- but I can’t stop thinking about the millions of women just like me that never get the chance to escape. Fuck Islam, it actually disgusts me to see Ramadan-related marketing in mainstream stores.

No. 2433284

>>2432666
ouch. relatable. I used to not even follow when ramadan starts because my mom ans i both dont belive in that shit, once i drank water in class (when it was recess) and everyone looked at me weird, "its all a choice" my ass, if youre staving yourself to control yourself better why do you whine about me drinking water? fucking control yourself you fuck. The fact that they all want the world to bend around their wills and whims while acting like theyre the good ones for controlling yourself and being humble makes me so mad. They are all massive hypocrites.

No. 2433288

If someone is fasting and you dont eat something in front of them to show respect than thats a kind gesture, but these animals have convinced themselves that they deserve everyone to bend over backwards for them. The fact that you get publicly shunned and even get treated like a criminal for not doing something kind is fucking insane, imagine getting the cops called on you because you didnt wanted to give your seat away yo someone at the bus or smt, i am a person and if im thirsty i should get to drink fucking water, close your eyes if it bothers you that much. I genuinely hate how annoying and evil they are, the more i think about it the angrier i get

No. 2433290

>>2432543
Same nonnie, I hate all of the cooking bullshit that women are forced to do because men are lazy as shit. Watching my aunts slave over the stove cooking meals for their fat lazy moids radicalized me. And these same women are also fasting and working full time jobs. Of course the fat moids won't even clean up their shit afterwards. And the women cope by saying, they will be rewarded for this servitude. A lady I know has a lot of moids come over to her house for iftaar and makes her daughters cook and clean. I hate how moids in my culture don't learn to cook for shit.

No. 2435201

Has any of you contributed to the Islam hate thread on /2X/? https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/3774.html

No. 2435331

>>2433290
They brainwashed these women successfully. This religion should be renamed moidsam.

No. 2435398

>>2435201
not yet kek

No. 2435414

Nonnas, please let me know if there’s a way to get married to a western moid without needing the parents’ approval. In my country I think that’s pretty much impossible but I just need to get out of here. I can’t take it anymore. I don’t have a partner or anything but atp that’s my only chance to get out. I could convince him to convert but I can’t convince my parents to approve, no way.

No. 2435463

>>2435414
I can't recommend this path but I understand where you're coming from. You could lie to your parents, use filters and shoop to make your husband-to-be look more acceptable to them, ask him to lie about being Muslim, or pretend that he's Muslim but Iranian or something and that's why he's white. Will any of these things work in your situation?
And not to be a bitch or anything but it might be better to wait until Ramadan is over to make massive life choices like this, the constant starvation and praying isn't going to help you make an informed decision.
Good luck getting out of wherever you are. I hope things improve for you soon.

No. 2435488

>>2435414
Burger moids like the idea of an "exotic" woman, especially if you style yourself with the whole Kim K makeup look (thick, manicured eyebrows, dark lip color, contouring). You want to be careful, though, because a lot of the moids who specifically go for non-Western women are looking for a tradwife (they think every woman who doesn't speak English as a first language is a pure, obedient waif). It really isn't hard to find an LDR with someone in a different country in the age of the internet. If you're an adult, you don't really need your parents' approval. Your boyfriend could just buy you a plane ticket and you can elope (theoretically).

No. 2435947

>>2435414
What's your country's law regarding it? I'm sure different countries have different laws even if all are muslim countries. Just look it up. Maybe yours doesn't need parental approval to get married.
Can't you find another way to escape tho? Studying abroad is a good to leave and when you're in a non-muslim country there's a better chance of finding a non-retarded western moid and you can marry him more easily there. You won't need parental approval there. I mean if you still want to marry.

No. 2435953

Nonnies I just need to rant. I hate that my mother only values me for my body, while blaming ME for her sexual thoughts about me. She sexualises my ankles and shoulders for fucks sake. And if I have a thought that is different to hers on this, or talk about living apart from her to remind her that I will not always be around to be her punching bag, her knee jerk reaction is oh you're a crazy feminazi and there must be a male involved. I just want to scream at her that she's a stupid brainwashed pickme. But I know that is unfair when she didn't ask to be born into a muslim family in a third world country. But she keeps telling me I need to grow up and this and that, while ALSO clipping my wings at every opportunity, she doesn't even want me to dress myself. She wants a submissive little dolly she can dress up and scream at. It's like I'm fighting against her to grow up. And I will, I am fighting. But it's so tiring. And it's Ramadan and I am not sleeping and she gets so incredibly hangry but she never takes it out on my brother because he is male and must be worshipped I hate this so much fuck pisslam fuck pisslam

No. 2436106

>>2435414
you could try sites for gay muslims hoping to get a lavender marriage. I actually know someone in that arrangement, she's a straight ex-muslim, and he's a gay guy

No. 2436194

>>2435414
Go to an university abroad, to a western secular country.
Avoid Sweden.

No. 2437029

>>2435414
western muzzie moids desperate for brides may exist, but you coming from abroad they may see you as lesser or easy to abuse. like another nonna said going to school abroad and then using one of them maybe as your ticket to citizenship and out.

marriage as escape doesn't seem like a good idea though.

No. 2437063

>>2435953
She sounds like narcissist who is jealous of you while also seeing you as an extension of herself to control.
>And if I have a thought that is different to hers on this, or talk about living apart from her to remind her that I will not always be around to be her punching bag, her knee jerk reaction is oh you're a crazy feminazi and there must be a male involved.
Stop telling your mom your beliefs and plans. You need to focus on long term strategy and making her paranoid you're a "whore" and will leave will only make her try to control you more. Try to limit engagement. Dr. Ramani's channel on youtube is about dealing with narcissists.
>I just want to scream at her that she's a stupid brainwashed pickme. But I know that is unfair when she didn't ask to be born into a muslim family in a third world country.
It's not unfair at all. She may be indoctrinated but there is a possibility to realize that your beliefs are hurting your children. Yelling at her is obviously a bad idea and only will set her off to try to control you more.

No. 2439274

so nice being on my periods

No. 2440104

why can't i wear shorts in peace in my own house. this shit is so retarded.

No. 2440113

>>2435953
OK so you need to learn to be quiet and keep secrets. When you've mastered that, learn to use your mother's batshittery for your own benefit. Since she does everything possible to crush you, tell her the opposite of what you want, eg tell her you want to live at home forever and she'll probably encourage you to move out. It's tiring, but you can make it easier for yourself by not telling other people all your hopes and dreams and then being surprised pikachu when they ruin all your plans.
>>2435488
This is true and if you keep up the act for a few years you can get a divorce and fuck off to live your own life. Men like that will think you're too indoctrinated to contemplate that. You could even fake your own suicide after the divorce if you're worried he's going to tell your parents (or you could just pretend you're an orphan with no family just in case, moids are retarded and you can shoop yourself into another person so your real family won't recognize you from your photos).
There are many cons to this, though, he's definitely going to get violent and controlling and probably won't let you get a job or an education. You can get around this with the internet but it's not easy. Pretending you can't speak English and can barely understand English helps, as does wearing a hijab- or burqa if you chose not to go the Kim K route- so he can 'humiliate' you by forcing you to go outside uncovered as punishment.
Tldr any moid who orders a mail order Muslim thirdie bride is buying a fetish punching bag so he can batter all her hopes and dreams into the ground. Escaping your shithole through marriage is not going to be easy but if it's literally the only path available to you it's better for you to sell yourself as a submissive ultra religious saint so he can attack your religion before he resorts to attacking you.
Going abroad to study (avoid Sweden and the UK) like >>2435947 said is the best option, but I understand that your parents or country might not allow that.

No. 2441860

my mom caught me pretending to do wudhu last year, and this ramadhan has become more and more paranoid about me lying about praying. which i definitely am. i make sure to fake wudhu by getting my arms wet and keeping a prayer mat in my room, but i am faking. it's honestly making me more and more sick of faking my belief. i do this for her, and she can't let me pretend in peace. sheesh.

No. 2442407

>>2441860
How did you get caught? I just wash my face, hands and rub some water on my neck and hair and dirty the floor a bit so it looks like I washed my feet, and even that is a lot of work

No. 2443275

So annoying when I try to read a book and my mom has to interject at every moment and say I should be reading the Quran instead. She only ever says it when I read as well I don’t get it

No. 2443755

>>2443275
That's so annoying. Quran is one of the most retarded incoherent texts I've ever seen. What can a person ever achieve by reading it? I feel sorry for all the anons living in a muslim family. Living in a muslim society is bad enough for me, idk what I'd do if I had to live in a religious family on top of that.

No. 2444019

>>2443275
Can you hide your phone/another book/a Kindle in the Quran or is your mom the type to look over your shoulder at what you're reading? Can you read somewhere else where she won't bother you? She sounds insufferable. I hope you get out of there soon.

No. 2444270

Nonnas I can't do the final step, I'm at a point where I can safely cut them off - I'm at a uni in europe, I have a long time visa (til the end of my degree) and I have a job that pays me enough to get through my bills. In the end I can't seem to be able to disown them, I can't leave my sister like this and my younger cousins knowing that if word got out all the other women in my family would suffer. Me and my sister are the first girls in our family to get to study abroad and I haven't been muslim for years and actively hate islam but the rest of my family is so young and I feel like the backlash to my actions might be too severe. Anons how do I do it..?

No. 2444327

Co-workers doing Ramadan piss me off so fucking much. They don't have energy to do much and others need to cut their slack because they CHOOSE not to take care of themselves. There are no logical reasons to do a full month of borderline ana shit that's harmful to your health.

No. 2444754

>>2444270
You might be overthinking this. Why do they need to know that you've cut them off? Tell your family what they want to hear. You've made so many pious Muslim friends at uni, your degree will get you a job that pays enough to support your husband and family, your sister and cousins would be super safe studying abroad, etc. You don't need to sperg your heart out, you know? Lie until your sister and cousins are safe. You don't need to make it elaborate or anything. Stick to a few points that are easy to remember and make sure they're all things that your family wants to hear. If you have to complain about something, complain about the food.
Keep in touch, but not daily. Tell them that you need to study. That's what you're there for, they should be able to understand that you're busy. There's no need to sever contact completely, and if you do cut them off suddenly with no warning, they might send someone after you to drag you back home. Maybe do a video call every so often for a few minutes in a spot with dodgy wifi. They'll see that the connection is shit, so it's plausible that you won't be able to chat very often. Turn off your read receipts. Send pics of your high exam scores sometimes so they know you're studying and doing well. If you give your family a reason for your absence now, they'll be more likely to believe you when you finish your degree and come up with another reason to continue to cut contact with them.
Seriously though, learn to lie, and learn how to not overshare. You'll get through this.

No. 2447165

I feel kinda bad for saying this but I lowkey feel weird everytime I encounter kids named Ayesha. Why would you give that name to your child? I know two Ayeshas and both of them were molested as children.

No. 2447328

>>2432585
I get you. Even though I was pretty much an atheist for many years I was too scared to call myself one.

No. 2447335

>>2447165
I hope you don't mind me being retarded, but is there context behind the name I'm missing? I know someone named Ayesha, but it's basically a fancy way of spelling "Asia" for them.

No. 2447351

>>2447165
i feel weird meeting girls named alice i mean why would you name your child that? youre a retard(infight bait)

No. 2447394

>>2442407
sorry my post is confusing, before i would simply lie that i did it without actually getting wet (yes stupid of me. i resented having to get water on my arms and having to reapply moisturizer).

No. 2447408

>>2447335
>>2447351
NTA but Aisha (also spelled Ayesha) was Mohammad's child bride, he married her when she was 6 and started raping her when she was 9. It's definitely weird to name your child after that imo

No. 2447430

>>2444270
>Nonnas I can't do the final step, I'm at a point where I can safely cut them off - I'm at a uni in europe, I have a long time visa (til the end of my degree) and I have a job that pays me enough to get through my bills.
I don't believe you're fully there, I would say you need a permanent visa/citizenship situation before you're fully in the clear. You've done good for yourself but you want as near 100% security before being open like that.
>In the end I can't seem to be able to disown them, I can't leave my sister like this and my younger cousins knowing that if word got out all the other women in my family would suffer.
It sounds like you're doubting your judgment that being too openly exmuslim would be dangerous to your younger family, but you are right they would make you an example of what not to be, and try to control your other family members. Remind yourself you are complying for their sakes so they can also have the potential options of getting out.
>Anons how do I do it..?
>>2444754 gave good advice, I'd say learning to say less and disconnect from them through keeping conversations more shallow and short may be good. Try to go low contact, if full no contact may be too nuclear.

No. 2447496

>>2447408
Why would it be weird for muslims when she's considered a great figure in the religion, the rest of us can recognise it as strange but it's really the same as naming your child mary who was also a child. These people aren't thinking clearly.
>>2444754
>>2447430
Thanks both of you, Yeah I think I'll live it a few years more til I've got my feet a bit more grounded. I'm mostly friends with other non-muslim women so it's not as if I'm closeted all the time and feeling like I used to, just the usual paranoia. My grandparents are conservative and my parents had to fight with them to let me and my sister study the courses we wanted so I know it will be a gotcha but it's only 3 years and a lot can happen then.

No. 2447506

>>2447408
Thank you for the explanation, nona. That's fucking foul.
>>2447496
This has been discussed in other threads, but christians generally know Mary to have been an adult. Her age is never definitively stated, she is married (and therefore assumed to be an adult), and in all art depicting her, she is a grown, older woman.
It's also common to refer to her as "mother" Mary, and while this is because she's Jesus's mother, she also takes on a maternal role for those who include her in their religious experience.
Nowhere near the same as a 6-9 year old little girl being forcibly married and raped.

No. 2447613

>>2447496
Hard to compare Mary and Aisha. Mary is the mother of the Christian prophet and Aisha is the bride of the Muslim prophet. Mary might have been young when she gave birth to Jesus but it's implied she never consummated the marriage with her husband when she became pregnant with Christ. I always figured Jesus's parents were both teenagers aged 14-16 when he was born. Meanwhile Mohammed is like in his 50s when he marries the 6 year old Aisha, and she's also one of many wives. The whole thing is royally fucked and I just don't understand the "it was a different time" mental gymnastics Muslims have to jump through to not only accept this shit but worship and revere it as holy.

No. 2447858

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Is it weird I daydream about a normal life? Dating, pre-martial sex, white wedding with music and alcohol, having kids with a normal non-muslim guy, never forcing my future daughter to wear the hijab, letting them have hobbies (music, painting),etc? I hate being a closeted hijabi, I hate how other people pretend to know what I'm going to say and assume my opinion on things and I can't explain to them why. Unless I win the lottery, my situation isn't going to change anytime soon. Thanks to this shit economy, I might never make enough to leave and I'll be too old to enjoy anything.



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