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No. 3774

While all religion are awful and subjugate women, none is worse then the religion of the Arab pedophile and that is undeniable, so this is a thread to discuss its evils and crimes against everyone but especially the women subjugated under it

No. 3783

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Truly the most tolerant religion

No. 3784

Islam is nothing but a cult that justifies the worst of scrote behaviour like war, oppression of women and pedophilia.

No. 3786

I hate Islam more then you can imagine, I want nothing more then its destruction and as stated I despite It with every fiber of my being but I will not reduce it into bland stereotypes, I woke up to how horrible the religion of the arab pedophile is by first understanding It

my journey to leave Islam came from the simple question of why I wasn't allowed to pray in any other language other then Arabic, what made Arabic so goddamn special that God almighty preferred it over all the other languages and that gave me the motivation to study religion but critically and through the research I became a pure atheist

What makes Islam always so uniquely awful is that unlike Jesus and Buddha, Muhammad ruled a state with completely authority for over 10 years, In this period Muhammad was a priest king with absolute authority, for Muslims this was the perfect society, all other societies would never come to close to the one governed by Muhammad and his followers so unlike other Abrahamic religions is not just a religion but also a political and social ideology; from banking, trials to literally how you should pee and treat other non believers, you'll find an answer for it in the record books about either Muhammad and his companions

No. 3787

That's why it's a cult, there are rules for every tiny detail of people's lives.

No. 3788

Its beyond most cults though, there are Libraries worth of books based on Islamic law based on the Hadiths(sayings and doings of Muhammad) as well extended Islamic law based on his companions
for Muslims these laws are well the perfect laws from God himself, any sort of system will always inferior for actual Muslims

No. 3793

Yeah it's an entire social system, which makes it so scary.

No. 3796

Finally you have a containment thread pakianon

No. 3797

The Quran its self is shit though, unless you've actually read it critically its really hard to describe just how awful it is to read

see the Quran is the super summarized story of the Jews, the true story of Jesus, 3 random Arab prophets that appeared before Muhammad and of course the story of Muhammad and his followers and his tribe's battle with the Quraish tribe but none of this is in chronological order btw, so it will shift midway from the story of Moses to Muhammad, then to Jesus then to Abraham then to Muhammad again and even then this shift is not chronological either, so you'll have chapters about Muhammad when he was priest king and then the next chapter will be about when he was just describing

the whole thing is such a hassle to read and your not allowed to give it chronolectal order, its considered a form of blasphemy

No. 3800

No. 3899

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“ Teenage schoolgirls in Afghanistan have told the BBC of their growing desperation as they continue to be excluded from school more than three months after the Taliban takeover.”
The boys where all told that they where allowed back? But they said nothing about the girls. Lying pigs swore that this wouldn’t happen and that they where going to change. Of course, nobody believed them, but still.

No. 3912

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I hate living in an Islamic country while being an ex-muslim. It's so suffocating having to tiptoe around it, lest they fucking lynch you for saying anything out of line.
Just yesterday, I had a professor at college saying something about how 'men were sent as our (women's) protectors' like jeez… I wonder who they are supposed to protect us from? That's right, other men. I keep getting pressured into wearing a hijab by my family, saying I'll burn in hell and take them with me there by my whore-ish ways of wearing casual clothing.
Don't know if blogposting on this thread will get me banned so saging just in case.

No. 3935

As a fellow ex-muslim don't ever come to your parents, they will kill you or send you to Islamic school
probably the best option is to flee, Christian NGO's are your best bet
I have known women who were willing to pretend to be Christians and live in rural Argentina rater then Pakistan

No. 3936

I feel like, if it was just the Quran without the hadiths and other works, the situation wouldn't have been this shit but we are expected to also follow the Sunnah, written by someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew Muhammad and remembered Muhammad telling him some bs and now that's hadith. What a mess.

No. 3938

If It was just the Quran then it would probably be on par with Christianity, but the Hadiths ruin it, It transforms Islam into a 7th century legal and moral code, not a religion

No. 3944

I wish NGOs aimed to help ex-muslim women existed in my supposedly secular, western country. But that would be "far-right and islamophobic", so they have to figure shit on their own, while receiving death threats and being disowned by teir familes.

Why can't people see that Islam is a cult similar to Jehovah witnesses, but with violence added ?

No. 3945

I mean from what I've seen Jehovahs witness at least keep to themselves and don't try to threaten violence against the rest of the world

No. 3977

sorry to ask to be spoonfed, but i have no desire to read the quaran and i wonder why islam is considered the pedo religion? i grew up catholic and i have never been very religious (non practicing basically) and i often assume people are referring to catholicism when saying “pedo religion” though nothing about the religion is pedo-y, though there’s clearly corruption within the church with priests and their disgusting acts against children.

No. 3995

Because Muhammad, the prophet and the most important guy in Islamic canon married a 6-9 year old Ayesha when he was around 50-something. Though reading about Ayesha is very interesting, she even made some sarcastic remarks towards her husband like mentioning how he always got revelations that benefitted him in his current situations and whatnot.

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No. 4618

Why can't libs understand that religion is not race?
"Islamophobe" has the same impact as "racist" and this is so stuck in their minds I feel like I'm arguing with retarded children

No. 4646

I agree Islam is especially evil towards women. Its also proven that Muslim men consume the most porn, which is just so sadly ironic. Sorry to make this next comment about white people, but on white supremecist forums, they use Islam as a shining example to get white women "under control" for white men to save the white race. They even spout memes like "Islam is right about women" but also say Muslims are outbreeding them and that can't happen.
What can a gc/rad-leaning westerner like me do for women in Islamic countries? Even to just help a little bit? After a decade or so of liberal feminism and the rebranding of Islam as a "feminist religion" in the west, it feels wrong and shameful to voice my critical opinion of Islam even in the modern feminist discourse. People say because we can't read the Quran, we are relying on mistranslations and therefore cannot comment on the matter.

No. 4658

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>it feels wrong and shameful to voice my critical opinion of Islam even in the modern feminist discourse
I haven't deeply interacted with this aspect of feminism yet, but based on what I do know and where I've seen causes helping the most, I believe you'd be better off contributing to groups that directly support and/or are run by women who are already critical of islam instead of trying to convince libfem women of the reality of the situation. You'd just be wasting time talking at people who have no interest in changing their beliefs. The majority show support for toxic religions like this to win internet brownie points and have no desire to actually learn or help women in the first place. For example there's the AHA Foundation (https://www.theahafoundation.org) started by Ayaan Hirsi Ali who was forced to undergo FBM as a child and was going to be married off to a cousin until she escaped Somalia to Holland (her family was muslim). She worked her way up to being a member of Dutch parliament and has written several books on the topic in addition to campaigning against abuse suffered by muslim women. Donate to her foundation or ones like it, educate yourself further and only discuss the matter with those who seem to have more than half a brain cell.

No. 4660

(OT-ish)Although I agree with Ali (and she was the first ex-Muslim that helped validate my anti-Islamic views) is anyone else bothered by how her, like a lot of \our girls\ pander very strongly to the right until they integrate like an token minority?
I really dislike how the loss of these Feminist voices implies that these issues that they raise aren't bipartisan.

No. 4661

Whoops, meant FGM. Wanted to add that you can sometimes reach liberal white women by catering to their supposed concern about "intersectionalism" and asking where actual (ex-)muslim women's voices are in their discourse. If they're going on about how islam is valid and it's everyone's right to practice what they want you can say that's great, but then why is it so hard to leave the faith? What does it mean when someone's chosen practice infringes on women's freedoms? Why are there so many outspoken ex-muslim women such as Ali and Maryam Namazie who are now being labeled as provocative all in the spirit of wokeness? It's hard to argue that women being beaten, tortured, mutilated and relegated to slavery under religion is totally cool because everyone deserves to believe whatever they want. It's far from just extremists engaging in these things. There has to be a boundary in that sort of dialogue or else I guess everyone should just be allowed to become pedo rapist murderers (which unsurprisingly, a lot of muslim men are). Namazie and Ali both signed a manifesto during the Danish cartoon riots that has a fantastic intro btw
>After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism.
Straight from the pens of those who have lived it themselves and not just decided to weigh in from the comfort of their liberal paradises where they get to spew whatever propaganda they please.

This kind of bothers me about gc and radfem discourse in general, like with Abigail Shrier (author of Irreversible Damage, which discusses the problem with transing children) being hosted on the Joe Rogan show and a lot of our beliefs having overlap with the far right. They're definitely not in line with feminist beliefs overall but sometimes they're the only groups that will entertain ideas like this and provide feminists with a broader platform. Overall I think it's probably a good thing that the message gets spread and reaches women it wouldn't have otherwise, but there's also that risk of catering a little too hard and providing concessions in the hopes of being given handouts and benefits from the more powerful community.

No. 4663

western radfems really can't let women in the global south have one moment to highlight out struggles before they try to frame themselves as being in equal position, like I remember when afghanistan fell to Taliban and I saw radfem accounts tweeting about how this could happen in the west as well and their proof was some 4chan screenshots, like anon the west will never experience the level of Islamic societies, It may something hard for you to comprehend but Islam isn't just simply misogyny for the sake of misogyny, its a comprehensive belief system that is completely secure with its self, it has no doubts about its own civilizational superiority
>After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism
while all three are bad and I'm not going to make an argument which is worse, there's a huge difference between Islamism and the ideologies, namely that Islam isn't just a political ideology, it is complete civilization guide, for Muslims the perfect society already existed
It was the thiefdom Muhammad had established, in it Muhammad was a priest king whose every decision came from God its self, for Muslims this was the perfect society and so Islam in its natural state will always revert to 7th century arabia as a model, cause Muhammad and his companions(who are the greatest and most perfect human beings, who will ever exist according to Islam) most of those men were rich slave owners and rapists who taken their slain enemies wives and daughters as their own and they are for Muslims perfect human beings in every way

No. 4669

>this could happen in the west as well and their proof was some 4chan screenshots
Wow. On one hand I do think complacency is a big problem in the west and see where it’s getting us with many states in the U.S. rolling back abortion rights for example. But to genuinely believe that things could get as bad as muslim countries is not only crazy but ridiculously dismissive of what women are actually living through. I remember listening to a podcast where a NYT reporter interviewed an 18-year-old girl who had been studying and wanted to pursue a real career in college then after the taliban takeover her family pulled her out, trapped her at home and started beating her daily to try and marry her off to a taliban member so they would be safe. Ironically because her father used to be a cop that went after them when they weren’t in power. How quickly the tides changed and none of them hesitated to sacrifice their own daughter/sister. I don’t know how anyone could point and say “see it’s just extremism” after listening to this poor girl’s pain and suffering when the people closest to her immediately started treating her like a piece of property to auction off. It’s built into the culture itself. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/podcasts/the-daily/afghan-girls-taliban.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/podcasts/the-daily/afghan-girls-taliban.html

No. 4683

>pander very strongly to the right
Who gives a shit? They're the only ones giving her a platform to speak on right now. Hell she was a guest on Tucker Carlson's show and it was just a solid hour of her dropping facts and truths. Nobody on the left wants to hear any of that.

No. 4686

I’ve heard quite a few self-professed radfems complain about it saying we should just get the word out there ourselves (like self-hosted podcasts) because using the right’s platform gives the impression that we support all their beliefs and would be okay with their regressive standards. I think it’s a stupid hill to die on though, there’s never going to be a perfect ally and stubbornly doing everything alone getting maybe 100 listeners who already believe what you’re saying versus thousands who may be getting introduced to the topic for the first time is invaluable.

No. 4703

Its something many ex-muslims are uncomfortable with but what choice do we have, I have spoken to lesbian ex-muslims, liberals and out communists who have had align with the rightwing simply cause every mainstream leftist party and group in the west is so hellbent of defending Islam, they think any criticism of Islam is on par with the worst forms of racism, our lives are quite literally in danger at times cause the punishment for leaving Islam is death, it is the responsibility of either the state or ghazi(Islamic warrior) to murder me, If they know I have left Islam

I mean I'd love to hear what the radfems propose as another solution, that can help people recognize our struggles and realize how fucked up the religion of the arab pedophile truly is

No. 4708

Leftists in general have one god and that god is anti racism. You will never get them to actually care about women under Islam because Islam is mostly a brown and black religion.

No. 4713

Islam is not the religion of "brown and black people" it is the religion of arabs, its a religion made by and for arabs, it should never have ever existed, let me tell you something about Islam
>your only allowed to pray in Arabic, if you pray to god almighty in your own tongue, its considered less holy and disrepsftful to god
>you pray to arab shine, the kabba existed before Islam as a meeting place for pagan arabs
>you have to dress by the standards of an arab
>you have to groom yourself by the standards of an arab
>take arab names

Islam is 100% an arab supremacist religion

No. 4745

Can confirm, I am a lesbian exmuslim and that's how I feel. The very first thing that got me disenchanted with the western left is how they put Islam and Muslims on a pedestal and completely disregard the plight of ex muslims. Their feefees are more precious to them than our lives. The right isn't that much better tho, we're pretty much politically orphaned

No. 4827

I am so fucking sick of people shilling any kind of covering for women as fine. None of them should be legal. I hate that the women that are forced to wear it are also victims of hate crimes (as if these women have no been victimised enough). I have been called a racist for pointing this out to friends. I don't know how these so called feminists can't see it for what it is: pure misogyny. Recently, my province (Québec) has passed a law that prohibits any religious symbols and garments from being worn by employees of the public function. This was met with rage by a big part of the population calling it racist towards arab. None of them cared about the many muslims and ex-muslims women that spoke in favor of the law.
I remember the first time I saw a woman wearing a burqa, my heart sank. I did not understand how this woman could still be forced to wear it while living in Canada or could not fathom that they could be brainwashed into thinking that this is ok.
I picked up the book Not Without My Daughter from my mom's library as a kid and islam as never sat right with me. Even when I shortly drank the far-left woke kool-aid, I hated it.
I worked with an arab woman for a while. She told me how she loved her life now that she was free from Islam, how she did not understand why her sister still wore the hidjab. A lot of second generation immigrants are embracing it now and I don't understand why. Havn't their mother and grandmother told them about what it truly means? I know that it saddens some of them.
There's also the honor killings that happen way too often here but at least nobody is fine with it and it always causes an uproar when it happens. Then everyone forgets about it and stop caring about the victims or any future victims.
I hate this world. I wish all these women could have a real life, could be liberated, could choose what they want to be, could be themselves.

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I've spent the last 20 years of my life in hijab and modest clothing and I feel like I've wasted my youth. Rarely had friends, never had a boyfriend, and I still live with family. I've been daydreaming about the life I could have lived had I never worn the hijab.

It's hot as hell in my city and I can't do much about it. God, I wish I was normal.

No. 5834

Same as you, do you have any plans to escape from your muslim family/community

No. 5835

I've tried and failed to go back to school. It's so hard to get a higher paying job.

I refuse to join the military or get into sex work.

No. 5842

No one has advocated you do that, like what's your current situation

No. 5855

Part time work at retail, close to paying off credit card debts. Flunked out of school at age 25. Still live with family, no friends, borderline NEET life

looking to gain a remote work tech job

No. 6146

Have you nonnies seen the infighting happening in the Euro thread on /ot/? Basically repulsive handmaidens defending islam and their atrocious culture by yelling that anyone who criticizes it is a racist.

I'm going insane with these retards, even on a relatively homogeneous radfem space like lolcow you find muslim handmaidens. The fact that they're in Europe (so clearly their parents or grandparents flew their shithole in hope for a better life) but won't escape their culture and only bring it with them to European countries is a disaster. They will only ruin our countries more. I hate them with a burning passion.

No. 6150

I think it’s the influx of gen z kids. I think they’re in the prime demographic to be groomed into thinking it’s racist to criticize Muslims like the millennials on tumblr. It’s fucking annoying. My favorite is when they cap for oppression but then argue female Muslims should be forced to disrobe in front of a tranny for added sexism.

No. 6155

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I was wondering if you anons could answer me some questions.
>What should you (and others) expect from dating a moid with an extremely muslim family (down to them thinking anime promotes violence and shit, etc)?
>What you generally should expect when someone in your family is dating a coomer from Saudi Arabia "that doesnt believe in God" but has extremely religious family?
I will mention the biggest red flag first:
>He convinced her to leave her first ever job because of him. She lasted only 2 months. For 2 years now all she does is sits in moms basement playing vidyas at 2i.
>He also distanced his gf from her friends and family. To a point where he would start rage spamming everytime she goes afk for like, 3 minutes or something (saw myself), he also talked shit about her friends.
>He is also Jordan Peterson biggest fan and has daddy issues, proudly screams how he is a sociopath
>They both lie whenever they are travelling to meet. The first and only reason he met her first was to have sex, kept talking about sex on Discord server after that.

This woman is not perfect but i am genuinely worried about whatever the fuck is happening. No one deserves to date an abusive person, especially if its a man.

No. 6174

Have you seen the story of the women fed abortion pills by her Muslim boyfriend and pharmacy tech sister. That was my first thought. Not trying to Racebait but very strict traditional Muslim families and communities should probably be avoided especially if you’re an “outsider”.

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