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What i take from other threads is, that there seem to be many anons who also don’t buy into the recent kpop craze.
While lots already like to make fun of their cringy fans, 14-year-olds writing “Army” in the comment section of every youtube video in existence and fat american girls hopping around to the tunes of their favourite Oppas
, i think now it’s time to take on the root of this evil.
Western listeners of kpop are often well over the age of 20; the stars they’re “stanning” sometimes as young as just 14.
One of the worst problems of the the kpop industry is on the one side the disgusting sexualization of minors (see 15-year-old Tzuyu “dancing” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9BtHeo8TlQ
) and on the other the infantilization of adults; being forced to act cute, still sleeping in a dorm (often just one room shared by over 10 members), not being allowed to date or choose their own clothes, etc. – taking away any rights, but also responsibilities. Especially international fans seem to like to baby and “protect” them.
Other reasons to hate kpop:
1. Lipsyncing to recycled beats from generic american 90’s songs – no originality (and many plagiarism scandals)
2. Ridiculous amounts of plastic surgery + of course denying it
3. “Uncle fans”
Hand in hand with the plastic surgery, whitened skin, perfect bodies, (usually achieve through starvation; which doesn’t stop them from promoting that unhealthy behavior to their teenage fans), drilled to perfection as trainees, starting out even before the age of ten, Korea is trying to sell an image of the ideal country.
First they appeal to the younger generations through music, then fashion, makeup, skin care and food follow.
But why and how did kpop experience such a surge in popularity over the last few years?
> In the late '90s, when Asia went through a huge financial crisis, South Korea's leaders decided to use music to improve its image and build its cultural influence. So the country's government poured millions of dollars into forming a Ministry of Culture with a specific department devoted to K-pop. > "It turns out that the Korean government treats its K-pop industry the way that the American government treats its automobile and banking industry, meaning that these are industries that have to be protected," Hong says. > This included doing things like building massive, multi-million dollar concert auditoriums, refining hologram technology, and even helping regulate noeraebangs — karaoke bars — to protect the interests of K-pop stars. > "They wanted Korea of the 21st century to be like America of the 20th century where America was just considered so universally cool that anything made in America would automatically be bought."
And sadly it seems to work.https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/04/13/399414351/how-the-south-korean-government-made-k-pop-a-thing
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Probably the wrong place to ask, but what should I do with my brother? He's 6 years old, and really likes bts (he knows other groups, but doesn't really care for them), to the point that he wants to be able to dance and sing like them because they are 'so cool'. He's been like this for about a year, and I don't know if I should teach him such things or not, as I don't want to send him down a dark future. Also my parents want him to learn another language, so they want me to teach him Korean
It could just be a phase, but I remember how much I wanted to be a figure skater when I was his age, and I regret not pursuing in it now
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I think it's so fascinating and fucked up to see how k-pop upfront seems harmless but is actually extremely damaging to it's own people
I have quite a few friends that love k-pop and k-dramas but then again most of them are a bunch of lonely people that just want an asian husbando~
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They all have to live in the same house, due to having very similar schedules. Also it's much cheaper for the companies and the idols to do so, as they can just get a one room flat for them. This only happens to small/new groups though, for instance, this used to be bts' bedroom when they were still training/after debut, but now they live in one of the most expensive penthouses in Seoul
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I used to be a former Kpop fan. The music and flashy videos get boring fast and all the groups start to look the same in terms of concepts and styling. Half of the music is bought from abroad, with Korean lyrics slapped over it. Once I found out about the prostitution, abuse and other shady dealings that plague every entertainment industry and took off the rose-colored glasses, I quickly lost interest.
Most idols don't actually have bleached white skin. You can spot their real skintones up close or in unfavorable photos and it's often a little darker than in severely shooped photos. Korean fans filter the shit out of their idols' skin and the girls wear pale foundation five shades lighter than their actual skintone which looks ridiculous up close.
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But for some it's definitely more than just makeup; that can't have happened naturally…
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Well the Korean government did a good job because this shit is like a cult
I will say that I do like the korean ~aesthetic~ shit with clothes and fashion but jeez
what the fuck
I like to listen to jpop occasionally and while my friends shifted all to kpop I never saw the appeal. The only group I still listen to sometimes are Ladies' Code, especially the new songs after the death of the other two members.
Most people don't have a problem with jpop because it isn't shoved left and right into your face, like kpop is nowadays.
I didn't create this thread to fight with fans, but to discuss kpop with people who already dislike it.
So please go back to the normal kpop thread and refrain from posting here from now on.
J-pop isn't really much worse especially considering there are many J-pop artists that aren't idols so they don't have to deal with the crap that idols do. The problem is the idol industry in particular. 99% of K-pop is idols vs like 70% of J-pop being idols.
Anyways what freaks me out about K-pop is the sasaeng fans that are literal stalkers that bring harm to their "beloved" idols.
He will inevitably lose interest in BTS but it would be great for a kid his age to start learning a new skill, singing or dancing or language learning is not going to send him down some doomed path of being a koreaboo.
I'm honestly a little concerned that you're worried about a 'dark path', maybe you need some perspective - there are far more harmful hobbies than being into boy bands and you shouldn't hold a kid back from things they're interested in.
If you go to the other kpop thread, there are a lot of anons who say that they aren't even in for the music, but just for their personalities>>233130
She's from a rich family, so it's not like she wouldn't have had a different choice. You could rather say she's a spoiled girl who even moved to another country just to be a popstar… That her parents are tolerating that is sick tho
It all has to do with who you hang around. Shit hangs with other shit. I like kpop, and I tend to associate with the people who are chill about it and like the groups and their personalities, and don’t give a shit if they date or party or whatever. But a lot of people on stan twitter/tumblr whatever flock to each other and you know the sayings about vocal minorities?
Even here since moving to Korea I’ve seen that plenty of people here lead normal lives and like at least a little kpop. It’s like living in the west and just knowing Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande songs. It’s their country’s pop music, and they all act like civilized creatures. People here like when forgiveness are interested in korean things, as long as they aren’t wild and disrespectful about it. And even more bizarrely, most of the foreigners here who even put in an effort to learn Korean language and abide by Korean culture are fans of K-drama, kpop, k-music, etc. Other “expats” don’t even bother, so I guess they have that going for them.
A lot of times farmers see pockets of a group acting retarded and decide throw the baby out with the bath water just to have something to act superior about. Kpop fans can be idiotic and embarrassing, and kpop music can be shitty or vapid. In other news, water is wet.
Kpop picks up American/Western trends late and extends them far longer past their expiration date–the releases the past year and a half have been full of (shitty) tropical house. That IS part of the appeal of Kpop. Some people like to listen to a specific sound, even if it's variations of the same song or style. Plus American output of pop right now is very Soundcloud rapper infused, Xanax-lite, and mid-tempo (which isn't necessarily a bad thing; it's just a shift in trends, and is likely going to be replaced by Latin pop, imo), which is why I see a lot of people turn to Kpop for more nostalgic, catchy, diabetes-sweet pop. There's also the element of a triple threat or fully packaged product. It's been a really long time since the West has had a focus on heavy choreography and cohesively styled groups. Fifth Harmony is the most recent one I can think of, and it had mixed results…
Anyway, the impression I'm getting is that Kpop isn't "all that" in Korea, with the general public preferring RnB, ballads, or rock (and they distinguish "idols" from "artists", with very few like IU crossing the gap).
>which is why I see a lot of people turn to Kpop for more nostalgic, catchy, diabetes-sweet pop. There's also the element of a triple threat or fully packaged product. It's been a really long time since the West has had a focus on heavy choreography and cohesively styled groups. Fifth Harmony is the most recent one I can think of, and it had mixed results…
Honestly this. I started liking kpop when I met a lot of koreans 10+ years a go, and they all liked dancing and singing, and they would do it to both western and korean songs. At the time, they would dance to the pussycat dolls for example, because they had clear choreos for groups. Nowadays it doesn't feel as common. Again, as you said, not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's so fun to see a group dancing like that. That's one of the main reasons why k-pop is more appealing to me, personally. I still love Ariana Grande, for example, so it's not about ~unnies~ or whatever, although I must also admit I like korean beauty standards, in general.
But yeah, stupid fans are cringy. I try not to pay much attention to them because I know they are mostly horny children that just realized their sexuality, but it does get annoying which unfunny jokes about them or stupid fandom wars. I wonder if I was that stupid when I was a teenager talking about my j-rock crushes and newly found ulzzang crushes.
It's enough to go on the kpop thread here to see the cult like aspects.
For example >>232809>Me too, and I can't believe I'm actually jealous of a whole grown ass man but I have never seen a more ethereal looking person. He also just has such a unique, adorable personality.
I doubt that any kpop stars haven't had surgery. Just for the fact that you can make such subtle changes with surgery, and the prevalence of it. If it's seen as such a good thing to do, there's no reason to not use it for subtler changes.
Most of the kpop stars are malnutrition, underweight and they look like they're about to pass out anytime. It is such a sad thing that young people let their companies destroy them like this AND that people glorify them for it.
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This is a thread about anti-kpop, not the global entertainment business. I was talking the specifics of kpop. Stop trying to justify sick business practices with "but everyone's doing it!".
> I didn’t realize anon knew every “Kpop star” personally and about heir happiness/health.
I said most. For fucks sake, Jaejoong's goal weight, as he himself advertised on his social media in 2013, was 60kg at 180cm. He was voted the hottest kpop male last year. That's a BMI of 18.5, which is the last accepted weight before delving into underweight area. There is definitely an overt glorification of unhealthy habits in the kpop industry. Let's see,
Seunghyun is 182cm and 60kg, that's underweight. Ahn Jaehyo is 182cm and 59kg, underweight. Baekhyun is 174cm and 56kg and BMI 18.5. Jungshin is 187cm and 66kg, BMI 18.9. This is all public information, funny how ALL of their BMI's are literally given out as thin as you can be without being called out on being underweight?
Fuck off Koreaboo.
In the case of the kpop idol anon was referring to, he hasn't in fact had anything. He is known for being one if the rare naturally beautiful male idols, and there are childhood pictures and analysis articles by plastic surgeons about him that prove he's completely natural.
>Most of the kpop stars are malnutrition, underweight and they look like they're about to pass out anytime. It is such a sad thing that young people let their companies destroy them like this AND that people glorify them for it.
You sound fat and American. The bmi examples you gave are fine, especially for Asians. If you've ever been anything remotely skinny you'd know that being that weight at that height (especially with muscle on, which most of these pop stars do have) you'd know that it's perfectly fine. The industry does have its issues and many idols go for the extremes and are very unhealthy, like every music industry out there. But you sound very biased and misinformed.
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>>233264> hurrdurr you must be american!
Please go to the Ana thread and tell me what's the differencewhile they only have a few hundred 'admirers' on instagram, have kpop idols a few million little girls who look up to and possibly imitate them
Just look up 'kpop idol…', the first google search suggestion will be 'diet'
And please don't tell me now that they're naturally skinny, because they're asian…
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The thing I really hate about Kpop is when idols do something racist/sexist everyone excuses it and says "Koreans just don't know any better!theyre naive" but then the moment a white person says something racist/sexist towards a Kpop idol fans and Koreans lose their shit…how is it they don't know what racism is when they're treating other people like trash but they know what t is when it is towards them?
Koreans get often praised for their intelligence, because of their brutal school system, yet most of them can barely speak any english at all and they also have no clue about 'world history' in general…
Most racism in asia is excused by them being homogenous - something most white countries aren't allowed to be.
If they want to be the first world country they try to present themselves as, they seriously need to step up
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>>233264>In the case of the kpop idol anon was referring to, he hasn't in fact had anything. He is known for being one if the rare naturally beautiful male idols, and there are childhood pictures and analysis articles by plastic surgeons about him that prove he's completely natural.
Oh I see, kpop thread spilling over. This is why we make fun out of you guys, the second someone criticizes your oppa, you guys show and sperg out. You are autistically screeching and whiteknighting a korean idol after someone stated that his goal weight is bordering underweight. You might want to reconsider what you are doing with your life.
>You sound fat and American. The bmi examples you gave are fine, especially for Asians. If you've ever been anything remotely skinny you'd know that being that weight at that height (especially with muscle on, which most of these pop stars do have) you'd know that it's perfectly fine.
What the fuck do my looks have to do with the fact that they are, by medical definition, at the lowest acceptable BMI and that some of them are medically considered underweight? IF you claim it is perfectly fine and risk free to be that thin, onus probandi, the burden of proof is on you.
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I don't understand why Kpop idol fans edit their fav idols skin lighter if they claim to like them
Kek, there was an entire controversy about a Canadian Korean in a very popular group imitating black women in a ghetto accent and white women in a valley accent (implying that's how those races speak) for the second time recently. You cannot believe how the arguments shifted to defend her now that "Koreans aren't familiar with Western racial dynamics" was off the table. >>233334>>233335
Fansites want their idols to look at their peak, so they lighten their skin and photoshop away scars/bruises/stray hairs, and will blot out entire faces of other members if they have an unfortunate expression but aren't the focal point.
I get that they do it to make their idols look good in their eyes, but it's not working. Both of these people looked better before the edit. The way they've been lightened flattens their faces and makes them look like pieces of paper with faces drawn on.>>233314
I wonder why it doesn't get blended to the neck or, if it's caused by flashback, why different makeup isn't used. Kpop idols seem really manufactured and "perfect", so it's weird that something so simple gets overlooked. All the plastic surgery in the industry and yet they can't make their makeup look believable?
I will never understand how people turn into koreaboos after getting into kpop. I like a few groups but seeing how they're treated by their management and the fans in their own country made me hate Korea a little bit lmao.>>233313
I don't see why they should have to make music in English but I agree that it's not racist to want them to learn English for interviews and such. They're an international success at this point and being able to interact with English-speaking fans would only help them. BTS fans fucking love babying grown adults though so any criticism is met with vitriol.>>233340
this shit makes me laugh. "whitening is racist! better make this dude yellow instead!" the irony lol.>>233353
not really a mystery anon, some women are just attracted to femininity.
This is why I don't understand when people try to frame their hatred of kpop as concern for the idols. I'm pretty sure the majority of young people who try to get noticed by agencies in Korea have a decent idea of what they're getting themselves into. People accept ridiculous things as the price for fame.
Like it's okay to just think kpop is vapid and think people who like it are annoying, you don't have to pretend you're concerned about the idols just because you can't think of a "good" reason to hate kpop.
Wow, your Rap Moster learned english by watching TV, tell me more about how he's a genius!…
We all know that, but (or because!) it's an exception.>>233382
We're giving these examples, like e.g. the Tzuyu video, so that those blind fans finally get just how shitty the industry is, because they do care about their favs afterall.
We're just pointing out what is awful, nobody's pretended to be concerned.
yeah I'm sure the months he spent living an English-speaking country as a kid had nothing to do with giving his English skills a strong foundation lol. whenever people bring up the Friends thing I just think of weebs who claim they learned Japanese by watching anime lmao.>>233421>nobody's pretended to be concerned.
fair enough, I was speaking kind of generally about behavior I see from some people who hate kpop and not really referring to what people said in the thread, I should've made that clearer, my b.
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To be fair, this thread ignores the fact that 48G actually have the same rules.
>Girls can't date
A memeber got kicked out for dating and shaved her head to come back as just a trainee
>Sexualize young members
There's bathing suit/each catalogues for 12-14 y/o members/trainees
>Older men mostly make up the market for idols
>All the songs have the same poppy Jap idol sound
Also the pic for this thread is ridiculous. Most Asian schools have sweats like that, a lot of groups have been sentai color coded and wearing a nametag? That's a stretch.
But keep thinking the system is one sided.
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>>233707> You are aware that to some degree, because Asian countries live longer, they also sometimes act younger for longer as well?
In case you haven't noticed anon, but all of us on here have internet access - meaning we're not exactly from the biggest shitholes either.
Just because "Asians" will live til 90 and we only to 88 doesn't mean they're supposed to 'act younger' for longer! It's not like 18 year olds there act like 16 year olds in the rest of the world, no, 25 year olds behave in a way, that every 5 ear old elsewhere would find embarrassing! lol
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OP pic was just used as an example to show their copying.
Anon, i'm a 100% sure you won't find a single jpop fan on lolcow, so nice attempt, but posting a pic of a 'fat/ugly' japanese idol won't hurt our feelings.
The reason jpop is not as hated as kpop is simply because it isn't popular outside of Japan.
If you go on youtube you won't find a 100 recommended or trending jpop videos, meaning it's quite easy to just ignore, something that's sadly no longer possible with kpop nowadays.
I give a flying shit about the wellbeing of idols, no matter if korean or japanese, but it annoys me when fans like you try to push it in my face all day long and whiteknight the hell out of it when faced with just a tiny bit of critism.
First of all, she's not ugly.
Secondly, most people like Kpop because it's just a remix of American shit and it's "aesthetic". I think the industry is disgusting but a job's a job.
I teach English to Japanese people and the Japanese girls my own age talk about makeup and Disney, barely have interest in boys, don't dress like an American in their 20's would, but more how a teenage American would.
But that's my own experience.
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Jesus Christ, the guys faces the whole time. You can see how uncomfortable the two guys are when the girls scream that they should not be dating anyone, ever. You can't prepare yourself for this mentally. No matter how much you want to become an idol, dance on the streets and hope an agency notices you. No matter how much you think you know the realities of the industry and what it takes, there's no way to know what it is like until it hits you.
This is one of the reasons why I feel bad for these guys, even if they are millionaires, this is being a bird in a cage. No wonder that dude killed himself a while back, no wonder he felt so alone and depressed. In a situation like this, I can imagine you feel as if you can't ask for help from anyone and you think there's no way out.
>inb4 koreaboos screech tHat tHey TrUlY & HoNeStLy UnDeRsTaNd OPPA & we are all mean fat american boollays targeting OPPA
I honestly can't bring myself to feel sorry for them; of course to stop pretending and pandering to the fangirls (especially playing bf at fansigns) would mean having to quit, but still…
What i dont get is, why is that only like this in japan and korea? Why can the majority of preteens in america deal with Justin Bieber dating, but 20-somethings in korea not?
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They have some legit micro expression of disgust lmao
At first, didn't Beiber's fangirls throw hissy fits when he started dating Selena? Then once they were together for awhile they got the fuck over it cause they figured he didn't give a fuck what they were pissing in their pull-ups about?
Maybe that's why people are more willing to get over celebrities dating while kpop idols are forced to treat dating like it's a big taboo. It's probably also their managers and produces who want to keep their love life non-existent so they always have the whole "availability and chance to get with a lucky fangirl" factor. Huge selling point for them.
Funny that you mention Jonghyun, he actually had one of the worst dating scandals that made most of the industry stop dating publicly until recently.
He started dating a Shin Se Kyung around the beginnig of his career (https://www.soompi.com/2010/10/27/shinees-jonghyun-and-shin-se-kyung-are-dating/
) and the fans harassed him and her so much that he had to apologize for dating (https://www.allkpop.com/article/2010/10/jonghyun-expresses-his-deepest-apologies-to-fans-on-music-bank
) and broke down crying in a concert. They had to break up because of all the death threats and harassment from fans.
But of course, idols can't be depressed! they have so much money and their fans love UwU!
I like kpop and been a fan since early 09, but idol and fan culture disgusts me so much. It's even worse when idols are like "you are all my girlfriends" " i will only love you uwu" and promote this toxic sasaeng mentality.
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Gackt should give these poor souls some tips. He's been suffering from this possessive, creepy fangirl shit since the early 90s.
But Gackt portays himself as strong/independent and has always dated even though his fans don't like it, while kpop idols give in, obediently do aegyo and tell their fans that they're their girlfriends.
No matter how shitty fangirls are, female jpop and kpop idols probably have it the worst with their disgusting uncle fans…
no, people are paying for shit american style earworms with a sexy azn tag so they can brag about how their music is totes not like actual murrican music.
kpop and jpop are not comparable because kpop is just like early britney and boy band shit. barely legal or not legal teens doing strip-tease style dances for men, sexy boys for gross girls.
j-idol shit has a creepy innocence to it sure, but much less of the gross sexual aspect that is clearly taken from western music. kpop girls are meant to be sultry and coquettish which is disgusting since they're like 16-20.
sorry, not trying to disagree, i just feel that comparing them to j-idols really takes away from the sexualization aspect of it. j-idols are sexualized, of course, but in a cute innocent animu waifu style way, which is creepy but less objectifying sexually since the idols are just presented in a pure way that obviously people can and do sexualize. korean idols are sexual, they have to be.
>>234217>sexy azn tag
So true, put 'korean' in your youtube or whatever title = instant success>>234199>>234205
At least jpop idols don't train beforehand, but whenever i hear that some kpop idol trained for 10 years i want to ask, what did you do all this time?
I remember an interview where Jhope from BTS said they train TWELVE hours a day, all I could think of is "they should be on the circle du soleil level if they train that hard"
I have no fucking idea what they do all day long…
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Something that also really bothers me is when international fans try to hype up an uglier idol, just so that they don't come across as ignorant and judgemental as korean netizens.(Or maybe they're really that blind…)
The more unfortunate she looks the more "Slay queen!" praise she will get
I read an interview with a gold winning figure skater (russian,sorry but can't remember her name) and even she only trains 8 or 9 hours, so…
Kind of correlates a bit with >>234046
Koreans live in a sickly strict society, work insane hours, treat children like shit and still are nowhere near on top of any business in the world.
So it's hypoctitical of their fans to defend this behavior, because of 'culture', since we can clearly see that it's not working, so why keep doing something if it doesn't show results?!
that lady seemed delusional but Taehyung's answer was annoying. I'm pretty sure his family always 100% supported him so saying shit like "oh just make your mom happy uwu" is probably easy for him. I dunno how he can say shit like that when one of his bandmates didn't get support from his parents until well after they debuted. Oh wait, I know exactly
how he can say shit like that to a grown woman and not a man. I like that Jessi was trying to give her advice though lol.
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>He's not stupid, just dorky!!!
Honestly, if anybody else did that, people would suspect they have down syndrome…
Hate to admit that but he's a waste of a pretty face
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Oh god, i'm a big fan of exo and that made me SO SAD. i just into exo regarding kpop, and when i wacthed this i was devasted. Poor boys. But we can say that they could date in secret tought.
There's so much crap to bitch about in the kpop industry but I really disagree with your criticism of all the dancing. Well.. I only follow a few boy (actually men) groups and I really think the dances are quite amazing. One of the groups I follow has been dancing on the street for years (actually for most of their 'career' they've only done street dancing for crowds) and they do cover dances better than the original groups. You can really tell they must put in lots of practice. Anyways the group is called a.c.e lol
There's also a group called Speed who do coordinated backflips and shit on stage, iuno that's pretty damn impressive to me
As mentioned in previous post I've never really seen a girl group with terribly impressive dancing though, but Yerin from gfriend sure is adorable.
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I hate the colored contact lenses trend in kpop. It looks creepy and unnatural. It rarely looks good.
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I hate that they and their fans always deny that they want to look white, despite getting ps for a 'higher' nose bridge, bleaching their skin and hair, wearing coloured lenses etc
Don't worry, of course they date in secret. They also take drugs in secret.
K-pop fans pretend their fav bands are "pure and innocent uwu" but k-pop industry is just like every other entertainment industry - full of drugs, sex (prostitution)and fuckups
Right, there's no way to deny it
It would be seriously fucked up if their 'version' of it would end up getting more popular than the original one…
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That's the same excuse all those dumb little fans also give 'Samples, guys, samples!'
The original singers themselves pointed out the plagiarism, Momoland didn't pay them a single cent, my dude
I wasn't making an excuse, I was just unaware that they didn't buy the song.
It's clearly plagiarized then.
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I don't think she's too skinny but she has admitted to losing weight by starving herself
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She might look fine all edited etc, but never forget that the camera adds like 10 pounds, irl they're a lot skinnierhttps://www.allkpop.com/forum/threads/how-skinny-are-girl-group-members-in-real-life.86854/
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I don't know who she is, so I based my post entirely on that picture and from what I could see she didn't look "anorexic" to me.
Literally who said that EDS are sexy, you sperg? Re-read what I said.
Not a koreaboo nor an anachan - as I stated above I based my post on that picture, and in that picture I didn't see a skelly, and also that basing the whole concept of being sexy only on T&A only is dumb. Then if you think that being thin equals to anachan… well, that's another story and the anon who said "Fatty spotted" wasn't too wrong.>>234637
Okay, here I can see the issue. Now this is really skinny.
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And she is always praised for her 'nice' body…
"Proves" as if it's an accomplishment to starve yourself to 43 kg at a height of 1.68…
Of course it's horrible that she's so sick, but on the other hand she's also a terrible role model
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I hate how they put insane pressure on an idols looks while they're looking frumpy as hell. Just compare Lizzy with her fans in the back.
And the sad thing is, some western kids will think that how she looks is the norm for koreans, while in reality they're just as average looking as every other country as well…
The netizen translated comments are just as critical of her size as we are. Korea has brutal body standards but shitty internet comments are indicative of the whole country. Just like how lolcow isn't representive of all women. The internet brings out the worst of people.
There are only a few "normal" idols like Hwasa, I hope the the beauty standards in korea become less rigid for the sake of safety, these girls are starving themselves sick.
I really don't get the purpose of working this long hours and getting no days off. If i work for 18 hours i don't have enough sleep, if i'm tired i don't perform well and so on…>>234712
After 3 days of… not eating? wth
it's probably a petty reason to hate kpop fans but I can't stand how they love their rap oppas but don't give a shit about rap in any other form. too many times have I gone to the comment section of a hip-hop song and found a slew of people commenting about how "rap monster did it better!!!" because he used the beat in his mixtape. I mean I like RM but he's not a better rapper or writer than Killer Mike or Pharrell lol.>>234730
I'm pretty sure that dude didn't even faint, he was just laughing at something or otherwise fucking around, you can see his bandmate laughing. He's known for starving himself to attain his physique though so I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
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I don't understand how Jimin from BTS is an idol or considered attractive in any way shape or form, to me he is the ugliest member of the group (and probably in all of kpop too) yet he seems so popular with his "armies" I just don't get it. I genuinely believe RM is more good looking than him, Jimin has the weirdest puffiest eyes, a philtrum a little too long and big fish lips. Even with all the surgery we know Kpop star have he still look like a dressed up shaved monkey.
>>234762>unconventionally attractive man is considered widely attractive in a country with very narrow beauty standards
truly a tragedy.
I king of get what you mean though, I know someone who saw him in person and she said he looks freaky as fuck in person because his eyes are too wide and his face is too horizontal kek. Like an alien trying to mimic a human and failing.
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Many koreans in general seem to have very weak jaws (and Rapmon and Nayeon downright look like rats).
I also don't get why so many people consider Jin attractive, his face is just as soft as Jimin's, which obviously isn't cute on a grown man. Even though they're thin everything is kind of spongy looking, jaw, chin, cheeks, lips, even their noses…
V might be the only exception.
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I do find Jin handsome but sometimes his face look so soft and squishy that it can be kind of repulsive.
V is lucky to have a nice jawline, it look always super weird when you can't see any distinction between someones cheek and neck kek.
It would be okay if they'd like him for his dancing skills, but they also praise his face which makes zero sense.
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Where do you love where 13 year olds look like this? I googled him expecting the male equivalent of the super young looking aegyo pedobaits female groups have.
How do you all even kmow so many kpop groups and members by name, and know details about them? Is this just the kpop thread thinly disguised?
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Was the version of him I was remembering. I haven't heard their name since they all looked like that until they came to america.
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I know so many because i was a fan until not that long ago.
His body is very attractive, but his face is definitely too young looking
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True, the average korean actually has a huge flat square face with a big jaw ala mongolian.
Why they decided to make the polar opposite of themselves their ideal of beauty is beyond me. In my country famous beautiful women look like an average person with slightly nicer features, in korea idols look like they're from another ethnic group…
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That's so true!
Of course all Hollywood actors look better than the average American (in my country they actually use legit ugly ones, to be more 'real') but the idols or actors there look nothing like a normal korean person.
But of course young foreign fans fall for that propaganda and think Korea is the perfect country…
If you look at these normal students, they have wider faces, stronger jaws, not extremely pale skin, usually monolids and they're also probably not as skinny as idols. There's not a single place there the difference between celebrities and commoners is that huge.
I don't see the appeal of the doughy, shapeless after-surgery jaw. It just looks like she's missing a hunge junk of her face.>>234795
A lot of Kpop idols actually have the same skin color in unedited photos.
He's barely 21, so I don't think looking too young is something to criticize him for.
There's a lot of shit to say about how fucked up the kpop industry is but this thread turned into a place for kpop fans to complain about groups and members they don't like. Which is fine, but I don't think it is what OP intended.
Especially this 'grabby hands'-motion all of them do, as if they're forced to overreact like this.
I know that they're all just young guys, probably leading a tough life; but still, imagine if North Korea sees how 'weak' their enemy is…
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"Aw poor Jimin baby, he hates himself so much, and it's our fault, we need to tell him more often how beautifu he is!"…
I can't bring myself to feel sorry for them; of course they do have some haters who leave mean comments but other than that 1000s of fans always tell them how much they love them.
There might be some kids who get bullied everyday in school for how they look and never get told that they're loved by somebody and they still cope better (plus it's not like a normal person could afford ps anyways)
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His fans are calling him a "visual god" or say that "Chimchim is slaying with his visual" when he has one of the weirdest face I've ever saw, it feel dishonest and like their overcompensating.
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If his job resolves around it, shouldn't he grow a thicker skin? As far as i know students won't get paid in compensation for years bullying…
I think that Kai has a really good body, but it's ridiculous that he claims to only weigh 63kg at 1,82m. Why are they always lying about it, it's bad enough that they are underweight, but even exaggerating on top of it…https://www.koreaboo.com/news/exos-kai-ever-eats-one-food-promotions/
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And? Anon was saying kids who get bullied don't go as far as that guy did, I said the two aren't really comparable. >>234834
Although I agree he should grow thicker skin, I don't think these idols so it just for their self esteem. It directly affects how much work they get and how much they get paid. I think anyone in their place (and with their fucked up minds) would do anything to stay relevant and desirable, including starving and working out for hours like Jimin.
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I read that Kim K takes over 1000 selfies a day just to find the perfect one. Feeling sorry for her yet?
Again, he choose this lifestyle, other people, especially girls, also get judged on a daily basis as much as, if not worse than him and they didn't choose this, they're not payed loads, they work normal jobs and nobody is pitying them.
I don't deny that it's unhealthy (although i do think they're playing this up more, trying to get pity points), but still, he knew that beforehand, he wants that and therefore it makes me sick how much his fans try to 'protect' him.
According to anons like >>233738
this is normal, because all azns are pure and innocent kek> japanese girls my own age talk about makeup and Disney, barely have interest in boys, don't dress like an American in their 20's would, but more how a teenage American would
Agreed, especially when you see him in motion he looks really weird.
While RM to me looks kinda bad in pictures but in motion he's got more appeal.
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This twitter thread has popped up on my feed a few times now - https://twitter.com/realchimmmy/status/974280961595662337
The industry is fucked up and I can't help but wonder what goes through trainees/idols heads when they sign up for it.
>>234782>How do you all even kmow so many kpop groups and members by name, and know details about them? Is this just the kpop thread thinly disguised?
I'm pretty sure some of the people posting here are
kpop fans or were, and like having a place where they can criticize idols/the industry without teenagers leaping to defend their oppas from ~intewnet buwwying~ That's why I'm here anyway lol
i'm riveted anon. talk about his philtrum and canthal tilt next>>234887>not working a proper job
a lot of them do work while in training in order to make enough money to survive
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I don't get the apparel. His face looks like someone took a ball of mozzarella cheese and stuck lips and a nose on it. His face is so doughy and unremarkable.
lol fair enough, their opportunities (unless they were crazy enough to attend university while training) would be pretty much nil, especially in Korea I'd imagine.>>234933
anon please…this is not the Park Jimin Is Icky thread…at least sage your Jimin posts
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At least still a bit better than Rapmonster; he's freaky
And why the fuck did he think it's a good idea to take pics like these?!
That just shows how highly they think of themselves. If you were truly self conscious, you wouldn't dare to post that…
Something i also found pretty lulzy is, that as a rookie he thought calling himself Rapmonster is a good idea and now he suddenly realized just how embarrassing it is (and of course all his fans get super salty if somebody still accidentaly uses his old name…)
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He looks like an egg.
I don't like being to critical of him since he's one of the few genuinely talented rapping idol IMO, the poor guy has harsh features he just isn't very photogenic.
>>234937>If you were truly self conscious, you wouldn't dare to post that…
out of all the members I'm pretty sure he's the least self-conscious about his looks. I think he knows he's not cute and doesn't really give a shit hence the unflattering selfies.>>234940>that pic
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Sometimes k-netizens take it a bit too far, but i completely agree with them that Hwasa is ugly (maybe even the ugliest female idol out there)
She really looks a lot older than 22, her hips make her legs look short in contrast, she actually has no ass, so it's only her bone structure that makes her look so wide
But of course i-fans praise anybody who's "thicc", has a butterface and dark skin…
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Yeah her hips are deceptive, from the side she has ZERO ass.
But I think she has a beautiful face and a femme fatale thing going for her.
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Her no makeup face
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And flat behind
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holy shit this is brutal. i thought this was just going to be some quick before and after pictures and nothing else but no. reading the text about how shitty she was being treated and being called fat and lazy when she looked completely fucking healthy is insane. they only praised her when she looked unerweight, christ.
k-pop fans are on a whole other level, didn't think i'd watch the whole vid. its like a sad ED and peer pressure PSA. when she starts saying that her diet methods are "i watch other members eat to satisfy myself[…]i feel bad if i eat too much" i felt so fucking bad for her.
Yeah, i'm glad she looks healthier now.
Red Velvet is probably one of the better groups out there, all of them are pretty and not too bad at singing (especially if you compare their mr removed with Twice's).
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wendy's jawline tho
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This is the human of the future.
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jesus christ what did SM do to him??
← there was nothing wrong with him before
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Honestly I think this is her jaw, but it looks weird when she lost weight. Pics of her in Canada High School, the jaw shape looks similiar but not as weird considering she has a bit more fat on her.
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Totally agree with this. It's really sad. I think that Korea is probably the most competitive out of the east asian countries, and that's saying a lot.>>235084
That counseling show is indeed odd. They are not professionals, they are just comedians and MC stating their opinion, and the eventual celebrity guest, why should they be listened? They are awful, especially when it comes to racial matters. When a black dude went there talking about racism, they dismissed it. It was rather embarrasing. Also when a dude went there to vent how people would make fun of his voice…. the hosts made fun of his voice. >>235054
R.I.P, he was cute.>>234943
Aw, I think Hwasa is cute :c At least I think it's better that she doesn't starve herself or bleach her skin. I don't think she has an ugly face, btw. A lot of idols don't look that great without make up anyway. Even a lot of "normies" don't lol (me included)
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I think it's ironic that Wendy's shaved her jaw to become 'prettier', yet Irene who's considered the prettiest in their group or even in the industry in general, has a much wider jaw.
Yeah, sorry if I don't use my english correctly, I'm not a native speaker
It was a "remark" thing and i tried to give my thoughts on it
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Yeah, I was still a bit on the fence, cause I was thinking maybe she just had a weak jaw (I know a lot of people IRL that don't have a jaw like pic >>235143 some barely have a jaw/chin at all), but looking at this pre debut pic I think she indeed had a jaw shave.
>I also think she got epicanthoplasty done, tbh she should have did her nose her nose looks so bad on the side
tbh I always think 99% of the idols had double eye lid surgery until proven the contrary. Or if they don't have a double eye lid at all, like Moonbyul.
Also, I really like Wendy's nose, I don't think she should touch it. The K-pop industry have enough of botched nosejobs already, hers is perfectly fine.>>235148
I truly think Irene is overrated. Joy is the true visual imo. When they were younger it was different, but Joy grew up to be quite the looker.
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soon they're gonna have idols sewin on extra phalanges
Isnt it funny how these idols can colour their hair light, lighten their skin, wear coloured lenses etc and completely get away with it and defended, cos they totally don't wanna look white. But if a white girl desides to do 'k-beauty' she is suddenly doing yellow-face or whatever the fuck americans call it.
I can never imagine myself crushing on someone that does not look like their natural self, not even their own race. Lmao, imagine getting kids with these people. You expect a cute kid but turns out nothing like either of you.
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Even Koreans themselves claim they don't want to look like ugly, fat and 'red-skinned' whites; instead their current beauty trend is supposed to be like the original Korean beauties: black hair, white skin and red lips, when in reality pic related was how they really looked like not too long ago…
Saged for samefaghttps://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2016/11/instiz-whitewashing-idols-faces.html?m=1
> 3. If they really wanted to follow how white people looked like, they would've photoshoped freckles on them…
> 4. Just the fact that they claim we're copying the white people proves that they still have the white supremacy mindsetㅋㅋㅋㅋ
> 10. We're not trying to make them look like white people. We want them to look like they have a milky skin, with jet-black hair, and red lips, that's the look we're going for.
> 13. There are far more Koreans with whiter skin than white people thoughㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Why are they accusing us to copy white people all the time? They have freckles and their faces turn red so easily, plus they age faster than us, why would I want to have their skin?
Yeah, keep telling yourself that…
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I guess they're trying to honor asian culture by making them look like a bunch of super saiyan then.
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>>235355>>235354>red skin, freckles, age fast….
White people that live in conditions created for light skin does not have red-skin. Some have pink, but that's exactly what K-beauty likes! Pale pink skin. Freckles is not even that common tbh and different races can have it.
Honestly, to se real Korean beauty, people need to go to North Korea. Even North Korean actresses/singers don't look anything South Korean idols. South Korean >>235357
ideals is literally so far from what they naturally are it's hilarious and delutional.
Just look at a concert with K-idols. The singers are all pale, light haired with lenses and caucasian features, while the audience is full of dark skinned, black haired and black eyed people.
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>Implying that anyone, in any country, wants to look like piss poor peasants even though the majority of the population looks like that
C'mon now… Korean, and a lot of east asian countries base their beauty idols on deities/legends and shit. Of course the poorfags won't have this look, they were/are probably worried about having to feed a thousand mouths and not being killed by the japanese lol
Pic related, Korean Goddess, she had black hair, milky white skin, big eyes and red lips. Nobility tried to achieve this kinda look. And it's kinda the same nowadays, but on fucking crack - people going out of their way to bleach their skin, having surgery to have a small face and big eyes, and starving themselves more than ever… The only thing that's kinda innocuous is having black hair and using lip tint.
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But no Korean ever claimed that their beauty ideals stem from their gods/godesses, they always act as if their own ancestors looked like this.
The majority of Koreans were poor and lived exactly like this just a century ago.
Other coutries acknowledge how much of a shithole they used to be, but Koreans don't.
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And pic related is what they want to make the rest of the world believe
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Insecure because we're loved and treated nicely by parents, teachers and Co.? Insecure because we can meet their beauty standards without having to rely on insoles, plastic surgeries, bleach, dye, circle lenses etc.?
There's plenty of reasons why anybody, no matter what origin, can dislike korean culture.
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>>235369>inb4 you reply with some obscure YT personality in yellow face.
You don't see Europeans on a mass scale obsess over other Europeans getting plastic surgery to look like Korean people.
The main korean female aesthetic is literally called "the goddess". Also this >>235366
is literally any series ever doing a romanticezed period piece. The trend to portray grittier sides of History is something recent, mainly by HBO and such. This is really reaching.
Also using strawmen like this >>235374
I mean, this one chick wanted to look like Miranda Kerr, she's clearly mental ill. Like that one brazilian dude (also mental ill) that is blonde and have blue eyes and made surgeries to have monolids, changed his name and paint his hair black. It's a strawmen.
For the idols that have blonde hair and shit… First, didn't we already said in this thread that idols =/= normal korean people? You act like all koreans are dying their hair. When idols do it they barely have control on their appearance, it's mostly the agencies doing it for the sake of visual experimentation and to draw attention cause it's different. A lot of these idols also had red, blue, pink hair. It means the same to them as having blonde hair.
This is a real pointless discussion IMHO. Talking about the dirts inside of the KPOP industry, or shitty gangnam unnies, or crazy koreaboos are way more entertaining IMO. Of course I can't stop any of you from making these claims or having this type of discussions again, but they are boring.
Like vid related. Some say the group in question is Kiss&Cry that only lasted about 5 months. The story is horrific.
>>235378>A lot of these idols also had red, blue, pink hair. It means the same to them as having blonde hair.
they literally try to look like a nazis wet dream.
It's not really about all normal koreans walking down the street getting plastic surgery to look white. But their ideals and what they look up to seem to be centred around looking white. You just can't deny that. It's cringeworthy as fuck, especially when koreaboos try to deny that fact and turns around and says racist shit to whites while complying to white beauty standards themselves.
So I totally see that Koreans =/= Korean idols, but they are buying into that image.
To me -saying that they're not trying to be white' is just plays into the idea that Kpop is untouchable. When it reality it's just a money-making machine that regurgitates cheap American pop and brainwash Koreans and now non-Koreans as well.
>Like vid related. Some say the group in question is Kiss&Cry that only lasted about 5 months. The story is horrific.
Horrible. Also another reason why I can't stand the Kpop industry.
>>235378> idols =/= normal korean people
Yes, that's true. But normal korean people look up too and idolize celebrities who dye their hair etc. Do you think agencies would style them the way they do, if that look wasn't so well received by the general public?
If let's say all french singers started tanning, dyeing their hair black, tape their eyes, do you think normal people there would suddenly see this as ideal? I don't think so.
A few other asian countries and maybe America as well are guilty of romanticising their past in movies, but there are also plenty of countries who are very honest and realistic. (But of course this won't attract teens like kdramas do…)
I am very pale white and years ago my hair was white too, also I was 21. I had a IMO beautiful Korean tutor who had serious vendetta with me and I think it was because of that. I didn't actually know about skin whitening and Asian beauty standards at the time but I had a feeling, just because my appearance is unattainable technically for them. That's why it's the beauty standard so the women don't realize they're beautiful as they are. They must be white like a ghost and blonde hair. I found this out later and it all made sense.
It's funny because in my country having very pale skin is considered unattractive, everyone is white but tan is seen as attractive.
"If let's say all french singers started tanning, dyeing their hair black, tape their eyes, do you think normal people there would suddenly see this as ideal? I don't think so."
Until a few years ago in the UK, where people with white skin burn rather than tan there was a celebrity influenced trend to use sun beds and fake tan. Having a tan or "a bit of colour" as we would say, was seen as healthy. The trend even correlated with an increase in skin cancer due to people using sun beds and not protecting themselves from the sun when abroad because there was this myth that your skin burns before it tans. For a foreigner to look at how these white folk from the UK used tanning products and burned themselves just to achieve a "healthy" ideal is really no less absurd than Koreans skin trends.
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Even though I agree eith the absurdity of both of the situations. The case is a bit different considering being naturally dark is possible for Europeans. Black haired, brown eyed and non-pale whites exist (pic related). Meanwhile blonde, blue eyed Koreans do not exist.
Even though I agree there is absurdity in both of the situations.*
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Read the whole wall of text.
What the fuck is this shit, BTS fans have to discuss as to should they buy everything the BTS uses and shills to because of their "Bangtan touch". The person thinks that being associated with BTS is how artists like TINASHE and WALE became popular. Puma and John Cena are brands because, you know, BTS association.
They literally want BTS to collab less, because they haven no impulse control and have to buy everything BTS touches. lmao
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I searched after this the Wale mention, turns out they did one single in 2017. BTS fans are hailing Rap Monster's verse as amazing. The delusion they have is incredible.
From the comments,> Probably one of the best songs I've ever heard… >Does anyone have this urge to just shout out to those sleeping ARMYs to appreciate this damn masterpiece. Give this man the attention he deserves.>Why didn't no one tell me about this song???!!! IT'S AMAZING!! WOW I KNOW I'M SUPER LATE BUT I'M PROUD OF HIM FOR THIS!!💞 I'LL ALWAYS BE PROUD!
Considering the comments, I was expecting a decent verse. It was… just bad. I' autistic about rap, a warning. Now I get it's not his mother tongue, but he has no lyrical ability or understanding of any techniques in rap. He is an outright bad rapper.
He does zero themes that carry over, no real referencing, no word play, he can't even ride a beat, no alternating rhymes, no crossing the bar line, no short/ long alternation in delivery, each line has MAX two rhymes at best. He sticks to the most basic rhyme scheme that exists aka single word rhyming. I even made this picture to make it clear as to WHY it's bad. He even makes up his own sayings that have zero context or allusion to them, his best attempt was to try to reference twitter fingers.
Which makes zero sense and has no context, as "twitter fingers" references Meek Mill spamming twitter while claiming to represent Philly?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rAyprZdo7o
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>>235378>A lot of these idols also had red, blue, pink hair. It means the same to them as having blonde hair.
Let's not deny that blond hair coupled with blue color lenses is meant to copy what Koreans think a stereotypical white person looks like. This blond and blue-eyed foreigner look is like a costume to them. For example, the girls in >>235357
dressed up like white American girls for a music video that was filmed in America but dyed their hair back to black for another music video. Looking like a stereotypical foreigner is like some kind of concept that Kpop idols can change when their company wants them to. It's similar to American celebrities like Katy Perry donning a Geisha or Egyptian queen-look for a performance or photoshoot.>>235349
I agree, the double standards are ridiculous. I don't get the outrage about "yellowfacing" or in this case "whitefacing". So what if they look dumb as fuck with colored lenses? At the end of the day, no matter how much they dye their hair blond or edit their faces like this >>235375
, they still won't look like white people, kek.
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Even though I think many countries prefer "white features" and most people want to look "European" at the same time I don't think Koreans dye their hair blonde and wear contacts to look white. They do it too look edgy/cool, in Japan/Korea having dyed blonde hair is considered "bad ass". This is why most idols going for a cute/pure/girl next door look usually have dark hair.
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Oh, it just gets better. The same poster compared BTS with Kendrick Lamar and Logic.
Yes, Logic who used his acclaimed album to open a dialogue about being a biracial rapper, domestic violence, and growing up on welfare.
Yes, that Kendrick whoms music is studied in university courses, the one who has expressed dislike for races trying to look like other races (lol), and modern use of Photoshop to make women look like dolls among countless pother things. Kendrick is one of this century's most acclaimed artist by far.
I am baffled as to how this person came to this conclusion, wtf
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Yeah… This makeup artist I follow was literally slandered and accused of "yellowface" just for doing a Korean inspired makeup. She had to edit the photo description to put a disclaimer because people were calling her racist. Note: she's half asian.https://www.instagram.com/p/BfW4Tsmgbgl/?hl=eng&taken-by=byjeannine
Another thing that really annoys me about K-pop, K-beauty is that when people (aka Koreans & Americans as well as Koreaboos) compare it to other things, they always say western. Western makeup? Western looking people? Western culture?
I am sorry, but what does that even mean? Western people do not have a look, nor do the whole west have the same beauty standards or culture.
In the eyes of Koreaboos, Korea deserves this extremely spesific term and if you somehow get any of it wrong or generalise about the whole of Asia you'll get virtually lynched. While the whole west and all the different races, and cultures living there, gets generalised.
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This is the logic behind "asian makeup is yellowface"
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>>235548> Flushed cheeks, double eyelids
I can't anymore… as if that's something traditionally "asian"
Also> High nose bridge surgery
Maybe we were born like this…?
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>>235548>very common examples of asian trends:>flushed cheeks>straight eyebrows>double eyelids>high nose bridge
So a white person…?
This is just as stupid as the "digital blackface"
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>>235548>having traditionally white features naturally and wearing blush and lipstick a certain way means that you are copying precious uwu east asians and mocking them!!
This person cannot be for real. How sheltered from the real world do you have to be to believe and spew this kind of shit lmao
This is so fucking dumb, especially considering "flushed cheeks" and reddish lips are considered pretty everywhere
because it's a sign that you are healthy? I mean, unless the person is super dark skinned, this is being a pretty healthy looking human 101.
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>>The whites are oppressed in the insular-ass koreaboo community!! If anything us white ppl are being true to our features and Koreans are copying us!
>>Acting like the American Jennerdashian trend isn't blackface-lite
Can we just admit that the side effect of globalized beauty is that we're suddenly expected to have the best features of every race… like can we move on
(Not defending the instagram post above which is a reach but the general tone of this thread is yikes)
had to stop going to /r/bangtan because of dumbass posts like that. also it weirded me out that so many of the users there are in their 30s/40s and gushing over young men like teenage girls.>>235494
LOL don't worry anon, I appreciate your rap autism. I don't think RM is particularly good at rapping in English either and your breakdown is a good example as to why. His English verses make me cringe. >>235505>comparing BTS to Kendrick and Logic
hwat the fuck
>>235588>so many of the users there are in their 30s/40s and gushing over young men
Grown women in Kpop fandoms can be real creepy. I remember some people celebrating Jungkook turning 18 because they can finally be attracted to him without feeling guilty.
On the flipside, I find it just as off-putting when fans infantilize idols, like calling 20-year-old men a literal "fetus".
I've met too many fans who are creepy about Jungkook. I like him because he's my age and I think he's funny and he's into filmmaking/editing and videogames – I just think he's cool lol, but half the time when I talk about him with BTS fans online they're either grown married women lusting after a 20-year-old (and were probably lusting after him when he was underage, too) who just want to talk about how cute his fucking cheeks are or whatever, or 14 year old girls who call him daddy and oppa and write creepy fanfic about him and the other members. I guess that's fandom culture in general, though (only in this case the subjects are real people and not video game/anime characters).
>I find it just as off-putting when fans infantilize idols
While I don't like the infantilization either, the groups/labels bring it on themselves tbh with all the aegyo business and fanservice and giving their members nicknames like "mochi" and "bunny". It's like when Brockhampton complains about obnoxious One Direction fangirls on twitter despite using and encouraging the "boyband" label – it comes with the territory, of course you're going to get an annoying fanbase and clash with other annoying fanbases if you push yourself as a boyband.
sage for slightly off-topic brockhampton rant.
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i find it laughable that people accuse 'westerners' of copying/culturally appropriating korean aesthetics and kpop it is so heavily influenced by hip-hop and pop and western fashion styles
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Nayeon is seriously one of the ugliest female idols. I will never understand the hype she and the rest of Twice get over their looks.
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I think Nayeon is oddly endearing even though she's not that pretty. Like a friend's cute younger sister.
>>234960 This anon is kinda crazy to think she's that plastic, I think she had her eyes done like all other idols and that's it. I don't think their agency would her let her look like that if it was PS lol
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I think a lot of idols that are hailed as beautiful are very bland like Yoona of SNSD, who is considered the most beautiful of all the female idols. Don't get me wrong she's with out a doubt very pretty but like mention blandly-pretty.
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Isn't Suzy considered the top goddess idol? I personally think she's heaps prettier than Yoona, but I can see how she may not be everyone's cup of tea/people can think she's bland.
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Yoona's appeal gets lost on me (I think it's the jaw shave?), but she definitely seems to have that girl next door thing going on, plus she's got a rocking bod. >>235658
I think they're considered equals, if not Yoona edging out a bit more due to SNSD's impact.
Speaking of top idols, Irene's popularity is surprising to me because of how mature looking her beauty/appearance is. Not that it's a bad thing, just surprising.>>235619
I wonder if China banning symbols associated with hip-hop from TV will impact how K-pop acts with Chinese members/fanbases/etc. will lift or imitate hip-hop.
As I said before, I think Joy's is really the prettiest from RV currently (She kinda looked like a puffy fish before, but she had a nice glo-up), but I like that Irene is considered pretty as she is, even though I think it's overrated. Because as you said, she really has a more mature face and doesn't have the perfect v-line. The only thing that I don't like about her is that she never smiles. For an idol that's pretty odd, but meh I guess.
Speaking of Irene, fanboys are really a weird bunch. It's surreal that the industry keeps sweeping under the rug this kind of thing. Also not letting idols date and such. I wish agencies would protect their employees more.
has anyone seen how weird her jawline is?? whoever did her jawline should get fired.>>235582>If anything us white ppl are being true to our features and Koreans are copying us!
lol where is the lie tho?
With the smiling thing, cold beauties (or elite snooty heiresses) seem to be a big hit with the general public, like with BP Jennie and f(x) Krystal.
I think the creepiest male fan scenario I've seen (besides that one guy trying to kidnap SNSD Taeyeon) was 15 year old Produce101 Somi's old martial arts gi being auctioned off, and once the bidding got past $700, the only bidders were 4 older men. She got famous off of a show the creator called "healthy porn" for men, so yikes…
The current P101 boy group accidentally released footage of them complaining about fans showing up outside of their house stalking them, and they've straight up had crazy fans go up to them and draw blood. They're currently the biggest group at the moment, but the company didn't give a shit about giving them the proper sized security detail.
Past posts have covered that the companies indirectly (or purposefully) cultivate saesangs/crazy stans by posturing their idols as pure wife/husband material. It's like, why bother with deterring that sort of obsession when you know these are the same people who are gonna buy 10 physical CDs and buy every piece of merch with their idolfu's face on it. It's a very "don't bite the hand that feeds you" approach.
Have you considered she may have a vendetta against you because she can sense you might be a bit self-centered, as your posts seem to indicate?
Seriously, reread your posts and get over yourself
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I guess you all know the site netizenbuzz?
In the beginning, whenever the comments of an article about Somi were translated, it was all "I thought she's 20! She looks like an adult!" etc.
Many of the foreign friends then wrote stuff like "Yes, that's so true, i'm 25 but look like i could be her child teehee"
These grown man are fapping to a child and justifing it by saying she looks old, that's not the right time for you to make your, 'asian don't raisin, black don't crack, whites age like milk' commentary!
The comment section there is full of SJWs, so what to expect, but still, that was infuriating…
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Yeah people unironically refert to them has "pouty babies" or "good boys" pic related a conversation about the last run!Bts episode about coffee. I actually thought they were quite rude and had no manners, the guy is a well respected chief and they were pulling disgusted faces tasting his coffee. But I guess this attitude should be acceptable coming from a 21 yrs old guy since he is such a cute pouty baby bunny?
tbf a lot of those kpop guys act like babies.
like the whole cutesy thing.
Part of it is definitely their own fault. Of course if some mc asks hem to do aegyo on tv they're not allowed to refuse, but even on v live, or at fansign constantly wearing these dumb hats, making 'cute' poses etc.
They could just be nice to the fans in a normal way, but instead they do this.
Btw wasn't there some sort of a snmall scandal of one of them, when a fansite master asked to choose between a phone, a laptop and other expensive stuff and then he really did that? They're wearing Gucci from head to toe, yet still aren't ashamed to let their fans gift them additionally and that's exactly the reason they act so cutesy for…
>>235686>lol where is the lie tho?
Based on the current beauty trends alone white women are trying to look more and more like brown women and you know it. Tanning, thick eyebrows, dark hair, curls, fuller figures, lip injections, etc
but sure it's those stoopid self hating koreans who want to be like us the superior white people only!
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The way the Kardashians and some insta thots look represents in no way an average white woman or even celebrities. There are plenty of light-haired and pale actresses and singers out there, who stay true to their original features etc., something that's very rare to see in South Korea.
Just go on /g/, nobody aspires to look like that.
E.g. the currently highest paid actress, see pic.
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Never understood SK obssesion with plastic surgery…they all end up looking very sameish.
I think a good example is Suhyun from AKMU. Even thought her face isn't typical kpop stars, but she is insanely charming and cute.
Tbh it's stupid when Kfans always accenuate that in korean fashion and beauty looking natural is everything…but then their idols look plastic af.Tbh I don't really see the point in this game of pretend…
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>>235743>Based on the current beauty trends alone white women are trying to look more and more like brown women and you know it. Tanning, thick eyebrows, dark hair, curls, fuller figures, lip injections, etc
I am going to assume that you are American, cause you're ignorant like one.
The situation isnt even CLOSE to comparable. First of all, faking these looks isnt even popular in Europe, where most whites live. Secondly, thick dark haired, tanned, full figured, big lipped whites exist you know.. I don't know if you've ever traveled outside of your little racist American bubble, but have you EVER seen Bulgarians, Armenians, Italians, Spaniards, Caucasian Tatars and so many more white people? Dark Scandinavians and Celts even exist.
If you talked about white people, in Europe collectively admired or copied black peoples looks, made their hair kinky, got black skin, plastic surgery to get African features and copied hip African American culture. Then you'd have something to talk about. But if anything the white women you're talking about, just wanna be another type of white AKA Southern European.
Koreans idols do mimick white looks, and you know it. When Koreans do plastic surgery to achieve those looks its pretty obvious. There is no natural blonde, blue eyed, super pale East Asian. However, dark skinned, dark haired and dark eyed whites with full lips and curvy bodies do exist.
>superior white people
Nobody here has said that whites are superior. Learn to read.
To me it sounds like you're insecure that and that you're just coming here to defend your idols.
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B-but anon, have you never heard of this one village in Mongolia? All asian people can totez have blond hair and blue eyes, too!
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I haven't heard of that scandal but the culture of fans gifting their idols always seemed a bit dubious to me. I understand gifts like sweaters or letters but when fans buy their idols the newest cellphones, laptops and expensive high-end brand products, it seems kind of wrong to me. I can't explain why exactly though.
lol I saw the cheek-pulling comment and thought of this thread, bless. I know coffee is hard to swallow if you don't like it but he didn't have to pull faces like a child. That barista dude was really polite and soft-spoken, too, I felt kind of bad for him though for the most part they were nice to him.>>235768
I feel you anon, obviously it's the fan's money and if they wanna spoil someone who doesn't give a shit about them at the end of the day they should feel free to lol but it's still weird. Actually that's pretty much why I don't like it, it seems scummy to accept an expensive gift from someone you can't honestly say you give a shit about. It's different when it's a letter or something the fan put work into, like art maybe, because that kind of establishes a connection to the person giving you the gift, even if you don't know them, and a cheap gift doesn't really have to have meaning, but an expensive gift just seems wrong coming from a stranger.
Yep, I don't really use Netizen Buzz, but I definitely see a lot of that, especially when I go into Kpop general threads on 4chan. It's fucking weird that some men seem to get off to how exceptionally young an idol is.
Also, I feel bad for Somi in general. Her dad seems to be a stage dad and doesn't give a shit when she's trounced around in sexualized attire and concepts. He's even pulling in her 7 year old (?) sister into the entertainment business, and says her little sister has so much more star potential than Somi.
Jennie is straight up compared to Regina George in Mean Girls and other archetypal rich bullies in American high school media, all as a compliment. I think Kpop fans are just obsessed with money, hence all the "they're wearing Gucci! my bias is living Gucci!" or the dick measuring contests over sales. It's funny because if it's not an idol the public likes, they get pissed off at them for having nice houses or cars and complain it's unfair for celebrities to be so rich.>>235802
Yua's still an active AV actress (and one of the most popular ones), and is rich as fuck. Apparently she's funding a lot of this herself, since she's a kpop fan. I just hope they hired a good team and security detail to stop weirdos from treating them like shit just for being porn stars.
Also the "why are Japanese acts trying to debut in Korea?! REE-" comments are my favorite. A mixture of nationalism and hypocrisy, considering how many Kpop groups try to break into the Japanese market and how some depend almost entirely on their Japanese or Chinese fanbases.
I also have to agree with the korean netizens in this point, Krystal really seems like a massive bitch. There's a difference between being shy and reserved like Irene, who still sometimes smiles, but Krystal only looks arrogant, not scared.
It's the same with Vixx Leo, i don't care if he's shy, he's simply rude and he looks like somebody who'll turn into a serial killer one day…
The only hypocracy is that this behavior is often more tolerated of male idols than females.
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Okay I just googled his face and he look really fucked up. Like he has some form of FAS?
His face is seriously freaky to me, his proportions aren't natural and the makeup isn't helping.
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I was actually a fan of him when i was young (and stupid), but when i think of it, the way he behaves is absolutely unacceptable.
If you're really this shy and antisocial, this is the wrong job for you.
Imagine having to work with him, truly terrifying…
Or how koreans want to be oh so white. kek
There are some good discussion but oh well. Gotta ignore that stupid shit in between
>>235825> literally killing them - by suicide
For millionth time: this is your oppa's and unnie's dream, they knew what they were getting themselves into, they're also part of the problem.
Looks play a gigantic, if not the biggest role in kpop, so of course we're going to talk about them.
Then go make a goddamn k-idol gossip thread to get your fix of petty bullshit. The thread's OP was directly addressing all the unethical things about the industry, not omg look what an ugly mongoloid this faggot used to be before plastic surgery!!!>>235834
This makes me sad because I genuinely liked 9 muses, they had a really good female rapper and nice songs. I've been a k-pop fan for a decade but I wasn't aware of all the awful things going on until a few years ago. I knew it wasn't roses and butterflies for sure, but I was oblivious to the magnitude of everything happening behind the scenes.
But thankfully not every company seems to be a living hell sucking out the souls of their performers. At least JYP entertainment is taking care of their artists. J.Y. Park, being a huge long-time k-pop grandpa himself probably knows first-hand the sort of pressure the industry puts on you.https://www.allkpop.com/forum/threads/jyp-seems-like-a-great-company-to-me-now.128366/
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JYP is one of the worst when it comes to the sexualisation of his idols, even minors, e.g. Tzuyu?
I'd say SM is still better in that aspect, Sulli and Krystal also debuted extremely young, but never dressed really sexy.
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LMAO he looks like one of these fuckers
Interview/AMAs with a male ex-SM trainee (who sounds like he was a potential NCT candidate?):https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/36a7gl/as_of_5132015_i_am_no_longer_a_trainee_at_sm/https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/36c84t/i_was_told_to_post_this_here_maybe_you_guys_had/https://kpopalypse.com/2015/06/13/kpopalypse-interview-neil-hannigan-ex-trainee-at-sm-entertainment/>shade at Red Velvet Yeri that made me lol>talks about how SM prioritizes looks over talent>other typical trainee stuff>mentions that self harm was prevalent amongst female trainees
The self harm thing surprises me. Considering how many hires, 4K fancammers there are and how short bottoms are now, you'd figure we'd see scars. I know a lot of fansites photoshop blemishes away, but some anti could've leaked photos.>>235848>>235846
Yeah, I was just thinking of how Hyuna (4minute/THE Hyuna) was part of JYP's Wonder Girls for a hot minute when she was only 14, and did sexy dances in school girl outfits and other shit. Plus the stuff Somi gets into.
I'm pretty incredulous of CEOs who market themselves as a personality or persona (like YG, who is disturbing for his weird groomed idol bride alone). Some of the worst kpop fans are company stans.
>>235825>literally killing them by suicide
this goes beyond the idol industry imo. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression Jonghyung sought help for his mental illness and was told that he just has a shitty personality and that's why he's depressed. Korea as a whole is completely fucked when it comes to mental health, the fact that they have such a high rate of child suicide is heartbreaking.>>235851
there are ways to self-harm that don't leave scars or only bruise (slapping, punching, etc.) Sad to think about.
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God, i completely forgot about Hyuna, that was even worse…
Also, i can't really imagine the self harm thing, there's barely a body part we can't see (especially nowadays in hd), so at least cutting is impossible.
Maybe harming themselves by withholding even more food or stuff like that
If you're so busy, then please leave
Oh, you're right. It sounded like the two ex-trainees were limiting the scope to cutting, so other methods totally slipped my mind.
Also, is Jonghyung the only Kpop star to committed suicide? I know there's been plenty of Korean celebrities who've passed the same way (most recently that actor who killed himself because allegations about him using his acting classes to harass students came out), but that's the entire entertainment industry, not just Kpop.
The saddest one had to be the woman who was on Boys Over Flowers and had written out a list of all the influential, rich men who had raped and assaulted her, before killing herself. I'm glad the #metoo movement is picking up in Korea, but I hope it has actual judicial impact.
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K-pop fans have zero self-awareness. You see them all the time in twitter and instagram etc. talking about how fucking sexy they find their bias and other hyper-sexual, kinky shit and then pull shit like this:http://www.asianjunkie.com/2017/11/03/cupcakke-tragically-driven-off-twitter-kinda-cause-she-wants-to-fuck-btss-jungkook/
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jesus christ twitter was a mistake
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Sometimes I feel like a salty grandma waving her cane at the annoying little shits and their wannabe thots and rapper idols.
We had 13 members of fugly (give or take a few) that we thought was the shit
Kinda miss those oldschool days too.
Bigbang in 2008/09 was the shit. They constantly wore fedoras and made a MV on a yacht all dressed in white like some eurotrash motherfuckers.
And now 1/5 is depressed, 1/5 has an ED, 1/5 is a complete fucking hermit and Seungri/Taeyang are doing God knows what. Not to mention The Last Dance tour was a farce from what I heard from people who went.
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Which one has an eating disorder?
TVXQ losing three of its members because of sm's abuse and the lawsuits that fucked JYJ in the ass were the end of kpop for me.
Also, is it just my old self or were male idols 10 years ago more mature looking than current ones?
God, you db5k/JYJ fans are such sheep. I know it's easy and comfortable to believe corporations are evil and idols are poor wittle victims but SM didn't abuse them or pay them unfairly. They wanted out for their shady makeup business and they got it because their contract was too long (something which would be good if you wanted job security, it's not inherently bad).
JYJ fucked homin over massively, they almost ended their careers entirely. Their actions made it extremely likely homin would never have a comeback or be TVXQ again, and took every opportunity to turn fans against them to increase that risk. Luckily they beat all odds and were successful again but JYJ deserve every failure for doing that to them for such selfish reasons.
you seen gd in late 2017 on his europe tour?
talk about manorexic. he was spoopy levels of terrifying
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I kind of miss the old quirky style of back when the old SM groups + T-ara were the shit.
Originally i became a fan because i saw a picture of SNSD and fell in love with their amazing legs.
They all dressed weird and all over the place, but at least it looked unique and made me want to imitate them.
Nowadays idols, no matter what genre they're going for, all dress in tennis skirts and crop tops, kind of a mix of cutesy and sexy. I also feel like even though the older generation had it probably just as bad as the newer one, they showed it less and seemed a lot happier than the new generation who only talks about their hardships.
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Saged for samefag, but especially Yoona and that hairstyle. She might have dyed it, but it's still a lot more natural
I remember looking Suju's profile up for the first time and thinking that i would have no idea whom to choose since they're all so fugly (minus Heechul i guess).
Plus i don't get how anybody can forget Shindong's and Leeteuk's remarks about women's weight, fucking disgusting. There's no excuse they were clearly adults already…
ot but is there a reason why kpop groups have so many members??
maybe i'm just used to western groups who normally have 3-5 people in them, but i see a lot of kpop groups have around 10-13 idols or even 15-20. even the smaller ones are pushing it with 7-9 members
i just can't fathom going through the rigourous process of being a trainee only to share the spotlight with a shit-ton of other people. yeah it's possible you'll be a fan favorite/lots of people will make you their bias but a majority probably get ignored or not as much attention.
it has to be frustrating
The current reason for big groups (like NCT must have 20 members total due to its bizarre multi-unit concept) is that there's way too much saturation in the idol market, so it's easier for a company to just put 7+ trainees into one group, instead of cannibalizing its own market by debuting multiple groups.
An additional benefit is catering to different tastes by having a variety of idols in your group, but honestly, I don't know how idols in supergroups like WSJN or NCT are easily individuated. WSJN and NCT feel like they're just a blend of cookie cutter cute and personable, with some standouts like Cheng Xiao. In contrast, Twice's got 9 members, but each idol is unique looking (for better or for worse) even amongst other idol groups.
I don't think any trainees would choose to split their lines, video focus, etc. with 7+ other idols, but it does distribute the debt of training + debuting across more people. So, it's less of a burden if you flop, which is likely if you're from a smaller company.
As a fellow k-pop oldfag I keep cracking up at this post and every time I think I'm finished laughing I lose my sides again. >>235967
BTS stans are the fucking cancer of this earth I swear
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haha speaking from experience kinda
I'm a fan of BTS's Suga, I don't give a rat's ass about the rest of BTS. But because I like at least one of the members, I've been willing to watch their music videos/live streams/whatever and even buy one of their albums. So as you said it's probably to cater to as many tastes as possible and therefore draw as many people in as possible
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I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this: but akmu band and BTS(especially the mixtapes and songs written and produced by the members themselves). After a lot of research, those were the only ones I was comfortable listening to with a clean conscience.
This response is so confusing, did you misunderstand what anon was asking for?
Akmu are managed by YG, one of the biggest companies. If they're not shady behind the scenes, nobody is. And I don't know much about Bighit but they sent BTS to do a photoshoot at a holocaust memorial and that doesn't sound very ethical to me.
There is no clean company in kpop, anon won't get a good answer. The entertainment industry is dirty anywhere and korea is particularly socially backwards, you will never know for sure they aren't prostituting their idols or whatever.
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Oh and forgot to mention: IU.>>236445>>236437
>>233382>Like it's okay to just think kpop is vapid and think people who like it are annoying, you don't have to pretend you're concerned about the idols just because you can't think of a "good" reason to hate kpop.
Exactly this. I'm a salty old k-pop fan and I can't stand the current generation groups. I'm also worried about the treatment of all the idols and the impossible standards Koreans have looks-wise for them and force them into celibacy simply to please insane sasaengs. The songs can be cheesy and overuse regurgitated beats. These are all valid reasons to dislike the subject matter, but a lot of "anti-K-Pop" people just hate the whole genre simply because the fandom is fucking awful and it's popular, not because they're legitimately concerned of the people involved.
Additionally being aware and admitting these flaws in the industry doesn't mean you have to hate K-pop. I still love K-pop and K-music in general, but to be fair I like the non-idol stuff the most. Every mainstream form of media, regardless of the country of origin, has a ton of shady shit going on because that's just how the show business is. In Hollywood parties old men groom and drug young boys to rape them. There's a a very thorough documentary on it. I honestly doubt that EVERY k-pop idol is a starving, suicidal wreck, there are also people who take the job as it is and get into the business knowing full well what it's going to be like. However, it's also important to be aware of the industry's dark side and not brush it off as nasty rumors about your oppa.
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There is no ethical consuption under late stage capitalism sis, and i do believe a lot of western groups follow the same shitty things koreans do (and hollywood too). I think boycotting is a bit of an illusion. But I guess you're safer with Mamamoo, IU, maybe Red Vevelt because they are currently one of Korea's super groups (which I guess mean they are being well paid). But I still believe that they suffer from Korean society
anyway, like the competitivines and always needing to care for their appearance and not perfomative skills only. Which sucks. I get ambivalent as well, but I don't know if I can do much. Like, do I support more rookie groups so they can grow and live better or do I stop and they starve? Because hardly the industry will end so easily.
Personally I think if you're looking for idols who are probably happy with their company and are treated well, you just have to go for the high earning ones (ie big tours + lots of cfs) who re-sign and re-sign. You could even stick with groups under companies listed on kosdaq, no comment on how ethically they run things but at least they could afford to, theoretically.
IDK, Mamamoo's company seems really lax about their looks and they actually seem happy about their work. Also they have a lot of LGBT fans and seem to support LGBT rights in Korea and I do believe Moonbyul is a lesbian
Also they are very talented. This is their debut stage.
Moonbyul was literally told not to smile in a certain way by her management. https://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/15146909.html
I really, really liked their early jazzy stuff but they went downhill fast and now I find them tedious af. It bothers me that so many of their so called stans haven't even listened to their early EPs.
Didn’t they joke about all the times they had to sneak into the dorm kitchen to avoid the company surveillance cams put there to monitor their diets?
I think they’re comparatively more ‘free’ than other kpop groups as a result of being from a tiny company but becoming very successful, like EXID, but the industrial Kpop complex is inescapable.
I do like that they’re very big with the lesbian community, though.
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I didn't know that. Sad. I wonder if they got more lax now though? Unfortunate anyway
I still really like their songs in general, I love "Yes I am" but their comeback this year is really weak imo>>236513
>but the industrial Kpop complex is inescapable.
Yeah, my opinion too.
>I do like that they’re very big with the lesbian community, though.
Yes! I honestly believe Moonbyul and Solar are a couple, and I am not even a shipper
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Holy fuck! lmao I had no idea, I thought you were talking about the video I posted. Jesus this is bad
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the mention of the holocaust memorial photoshoot reminded me of this
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Guess there was no space left inside his IQ 200 brain for learning that the Nazis were the bad guys…
It pisses me off that their school system is hailed as the most difficult and therefore the students as the best, in contrast to "the stupid lazy westerners", but apart from very few exceptions nobody speaks a lick of english (or any second language) and has any idea about the biggest events in history.
I bet koreans would lose their shit if foreigners were to act clueless about comfort women.
the majority of their exams is focused on rote learning so you don't actually have to understand it, just remember it for the exam and then you can forget it
most of the exams are multiple choice question based so again you don't need to explain your answer
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I know that it's not her fault, but it's insane just how ugly she is (even after plastic surgery).
On top of that she isn't even good at singing, so why did she become so popular lately?
It also amazes me that a girl like her even thought she had a chance as an idol to begin with.
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I think she's pretty cute! She reminds me of a cat. Also her personality is fun.
Some people say the same about white US Americans though… Can't speak anything aside from English and have no idea about anything outside of America.>>236554
Afaik, a lot of Koreans do like her. The ones who don't should be glad she looks like this. Because when young, normal Korean girls see her face on tv, they might feel they also have a shot at fame.
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That picture is extremely edited>>236548>It's so gross how the idol industry forces their artists to have plastic surgery to look flawless and go through vigorous training to become extremely skilled!
The problem is that even with all that training she's still not skilled at all, so what do you think she deserves money for?
Trying alone is not enough.
>>236561> Some people say the same about white US Americans though…
Correction: the whole world says that about all
americans (because it's true most of the time); don't think you're better or that you'll get a pass, just because you're 'poc'.
Lmao deadass most non-US Americans dont even differentiate between white and non white Americans. They're just Americans.
I am more dissapointed with SK tho than The US because I had expected more considering how everyone is saying that their education system is superior. However nobody has any expectations for the US lol
Ok but how does that make it alright? So there's more than one fucked up country in the world, more news at 9.
I just don't understand how you can sincerely stan any idols 95% of them seems to be pure trash. And it's always the worst one that are the most popular too. (cause they know how to hide it well I guess??) Chanyeol and Baekhyun are good examples or really trashy males being ultra populars cause they know how to fake closeness with their fans and play up the gay fantasy their fans wanna see.
Those people also constantly make weird comments about peoples skin tones, Taeyeon with Alicia key being pretty for a black girl or exo members constantly making fun of Kai for his skin tone, Rap monster saying he couldn't see V and Jhope in the dark cause they're too black… Their culture seems so disgusting and backward, how can you stan exo members after all the homophobic comment they made or knowing Baekhyun calling girls from his school "slut" Chanyeol making fun of Snsd members for being ugly barefaced? All male kpop idols are trash I'm convinced of that.
Btw 8/10 korean male admit to abusing their gf so that gives you a good idea of how sweet your oppa probably is. http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20170817000805
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The fact that V can choose not to go on a diet and have a tummy, says a lot about the company I believe. The members are also allowed to talk about being drunk, sex, pornography and swear, so they're surprisingly not restricted compared to other groups.
Of course things are not perfect with Bighit, but you will never find a flawless company in any music industry
Nowhere did I say this, nowhere, that wasn't even relevant to what I was saying at all
I'm saying if we're using universal beauty standards, idk why you think its impossible for people to find her attractive rather than she simply doesn't meet your preferences
Did you even read a word I said outside of listing universal beauty standard features
I simply don't believe that having energy or dancing weirdly is something anybody should be getting paid for.http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.de/2018/03/momolands-jooe-rushes-to-rehearsals.html
I saw that picture on netizenbuzz and thought that i'll have to agree with them; in her case saying she's ugly has nothing to do with being just nitpicky.
(And what truly saved them was plagiarizing an already popular song)
Besides, you're on a site that even trashes real models looks, so calm down, not everyone has to like her, i only stated my opinion.
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I have to idea why they would call out EXO on it, when having braids is actually pretty common in kpop. It's never a permanent thing, but I've seen many groups have at least 1 member do it at one point. Even BTS has done this, with Jhope and Suga, and RM used to have an afro and dreadlocks
People only paid attention to Momoland's comeback because JooE became a living meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9N30TAXX0http://www.asianjunkie.com/2017/09/15/korean-twitch-streamers-are-getting-their-lives-trolled-by-jooes-tropicana-cf/
Sure, the song became viral for its catchiness over time, but plenty of catchy or good songs get lost because there's no drawing factor or gimmick. Crayon Pop's BarBarBar is pretty much the same thing. If the girls weren't wearing those tracksuits and helmets and jumping up and down, no one would've cared. Kpop sells idols, not music.
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Well most of that tumblr consists of "taeyang had dreads" and "g-dragon wore a straightjacket for a music video tw:
ableism" bullshit. Pic related is when I started debating if the admin of this travesty of a blog is either mentally challenged or trolling.
>>236641>I have to idea why they would call out EXO on it, when having braids is actually pretty common in kpop
because the person who made the list is literally a they/them tumblr tard who thinks problematic
behavior is only acceptable when it's from her faves.
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JooE is really ugly but I do think she looks better with her hair down. But now they are forever going to put her in twin tails because that was the look when she got meme'd.
But her face really got no saving. I hope she won't let the comments get her too much.
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Kpop stylists fucking love meme or "unique" hairdos. I feel bad for idols who get shoved into the short hair role in spite of it being unflattering or not having it styled properly.
Dara probably got the shortest stick regarding hair, though.
It's okay anon, beauty is subjective after all. She seems sweet enough anyway.>>236662
Honestly is dumb to say "she's ugly and doesn't sing well!!! what is she payed for??" imo, because music in general, and especially kpop, is not only about the music itself, but also the performance. I guess especially after Gaga, that kinda pushed the performative side of it to the mainstream. Is about putting a show and being energetic. Some people don't like some singer because even though they sing well, they are "boring" and have no stage presence/energy, for example.
Not that I think that JooE is particularly amazing, but it does the job for their public.
My two cents, at least.
I remember reading on that blog and already expecting there to be really nitpicking stuff, but that took the cake for me lol; that and the straightjacket thing. Also if you're screeching about non-black people wearing dreads, afros or the like because it's """cultural appropriation""" you're a moronic crybaby. Most of these stupid call out blogs or "your fave is problematic
" blogs usually consist of stuff only sjws would cry and care about, while the rest just shrug it off like any normal person and don't take it to mean the celebrity/idol is an absolutely horrible person just because they did this slightly non-perfect thing this one time. It really annoys me how everyone expects their "stans" (I hate that word too, you shouldn't be worshipping anyone like that) to stay 100% perfect all the time. Get a life please lmao
Also, I don't understand why you'd willingly continue to be fans of a group that supposedly offends you so much. If you don't like the members, why not just listen strictly to the music and not really care what they do as people? It makes me think they just wanna stay in the fandom to call bloody murder on the next idol to do something wrong, like they think they're the holy messiah of calling idols out.
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She isn’t without the fried blonde hair.
99% of female kpop stars are pale and skinny with a tall nose, small mouth, big eyes, circle lenses, and straight hair. It gets so boring after awhile, no wonder I didn’t see the appeal in Twice.
Selfies don't count, anyone can look good with angles and editing apps.
Here she is on a TV show talking about her plastic surgery and they brought up her predebut pics towards the end.
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there are certain idols that I seriously never got the hype around…at all
Krystal is pretty but you would think she was a Greek goddess with all the praise she gets
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I was about to make the same exact comment, down to even using WSJN as an example of the same cookie cutter pretty. It's not like anyone in Twice doesn't fit the general parameters of attractiveness, though. >>236696
Hani's chin is way past the point of knife-territory. It was distracting as fuck in DDD. LE also just got a new round of fillers and I hope they settle soon, cause she looks awful.
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Speaking of cookie cutter beauty, when I first saw this I thought it was a joke for a split second. Probably the worst idea when you're trying to launch a new group is to have every single member look the exact same in your teaser photo.
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Twice too me is one of the most visually varied groups (as far as kpop goes) imo. Learning their names and telling them apart when I was into twice was super easy relative to other groups. Mina and Momo are the only members that look super similar. While groups like Lovelyz and Gfriend all the members look almost identical
>>236705>>236702>it's been 7 months since POP's debut and it has less than half the views Honey Popcorn has on their MV
Wow. Poor girls.
And yeah, Twice's management was also very smart about giving the girls unique looks or roles in most of their MVs, with the cliche highschool characters, movie genres, Halloween costumes, and ayylmao powers. It sucks that groups with "pure" concepts, especially new ones, can't vary far from nearly identical outfits and straight non-black/brown dyed hair. It's non-controversial styling, but also forgettable.
I hate how obtuse some kpop fans could be. Whenever someone points out that idols look similar they freak out and try to call you racist.
There are like five female kpop stars with really short hair or flat noses. They are barely any of them with square faces or brown skin, either.
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>Mina and Momo are the only members that look super similar.
wat? I don't see it. Momo is prettier, btw. (she's looking very good with her new black bob. Very classic)>>236694
Oof, she really looked better pre-debut. She has a fun personality though, I can't hate or her ugliness. She also looked better with dark hair. I wish their agency would dye it already, it's so fried…
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Not the original poster, but one has dark and one blonde hair with bangs, so of course you'll be able to keep them apart. (and that 'destroys' the argument that white people are just as hard to tell apart as asians; different eye and hair colour obviously helps a lot)
I personally think that Mina resembles Sana a lot more though, like pic related.
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Korean standards are just different. Tzuyu from Twice counts as having "brown skin" to Koreans but to me she just looks a little tanned.>>236727>different eye and hair colour obviously helps a lot
Anecdotally speaking, it doesn't, kek. They still find it hard to tell us apart. I guess it's because they're used to looking at facial features instead of things like hair and eye colors.
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nowadays her skin looks whiter than most white peoples skin.
however she probably (definently) lightens her skin cause she was darker before
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Is… is that Chanyeol? And Baekhyun?
TY anon. I reverse googled it and only got chinese sites labeling it chanbaek.
But yeah, figures something like that might come from fucking SuJu of all groups. Think they cemented their status as absolute lowest POS group yet? With DUIs, rape accusations, homophobia, hardcore Christianism and allegations from fans it might be a contender for the title kek
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Remember Ukiss? I think they might be the most fail worthy group. I saw some video of one of the members who quit because he knocked up his girlfriend, and it was so embarrassing seeing him to keep up his cute aegyo image while taking care of his infant child.
Not to mention the constant adding and taking away members.
The fact that Kevin was obviously closeted.
Another one of their members getting married and having a baby and still wanting to perform on stage for the small amount of fans they have.
Kind of sad really
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I think i already posted this here before, but i still remember just how shocked i was by their living conditions…
They have this one english speaking member, i think he's called Kevin(?) and he always came across as so uncomfortably desperate, and seeing how he lived he probably was…
Another idol that gives of similar trying-too-hard vibes is Vixx N. I can't even pinpont what urks me about him, since he seems to be a nice person, but i can't help but always cringe…
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The problem is that he knows that; same with Jin.
Can you imagine an american musician going on tv and saying "I'm the most handsome man in the world!" kek
Nothing wrong with being confident, but this is just uncomfortable…
Imo he definitely comes across as being serious; it's way more than just the usual 'Hi, i'm the face of the group'.
Poking fun at themselves or the role the industry has pushed them into, isn't usually something idols do…
I feel most of his camera-on persona is a calculated act. He did major in acting after all.
Him getting papper hearts out of no where during shows and interviews is very cute, if in a corny way.
But it does annoy me a bit when he goes overboard with the over reactions during Run episodes.
He gives me former indigo child vibes. Like he was hyped all his life to be this prodigy and now he's so hyperfixated on that role that he can't be anything else. In BTS Bon Voyage he kept trying to go into those deep topics with Jin and J-Hope and they always kind of went "bro" really uncomfortably.
He's just… bland, yeah.
At least Suga has that low simmering hatred of his surroundings and the fake shit in his eyes at times, lol.
Well, considering Korea's extreme suicide statistics, it's not a stretch to think the idols saying they are also depressed after a notorious suicide are telling the truth.
But I see your point about the media circus and pandering.
>>236874>Like that song about suicide by whoever that american popsinger is.
Logic's a rapper but yeah I almost laughed out loud when I heard that song. Maybe I'm just bitter but I can't imagine a depressed person hearing that and going "ah yes Logic wants me to live guess i shouldn't catch the bus after all".
>i dont some idol rapper would ever be able to talk about anything ‘deep’.
Agust D/Suga is the only instance of an idol rapper writing about anything "deep" that I can think of (but then I don't know if I'd consider him an "idol rapper", strictly speaking.)
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All their fans love that fake deep shit.
I still remember when peope found out just how young some of the love yourself models were, they immediately were making up theories that the girls just represent their pasts or whatever.
And then were deeply diappointed when it came out that bts or their agency really thought casting 16-year-olds as love interests of men in their early to mid twenties was a good idea kek
>THE FACT ONE WAS BORN IN 2000 AND 2001 GIVE THE YOUNGER ARMY HOPE LOL
Especially younger audiences want to feel understood, I get that they'd latch on to that tbh.
Also ot but I'm Real Depressed (tm) and I did listen to that Logic Song while I was feeling suicidal, it's not like it would have stopped me but it's a well-intentioned sentiment and that's still nice. For someone who's young and impressionable things like that can make a difference.
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Still, it makes me wonder how the others can endure being with him 24/7, if a friend of mine did that…
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That's almost worst. The guy is clearly handsome, he used to model and went viral plenty of time for his good looks, it's really cringy when good looking people act like they're not. If he seriously believe he isn't beautiful he should quit because he has literally zero other value as an idol since he's a shitty dancer and has a mediocre nasally voice…
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Why is this conversation slowly turning from being annoyed by Jin's worldwide handsome + kiss hand, to 'poor baby Jin thinks he's ugly'…?
Besides he's always looked pretty much the same.
The most pathetic thing i ever read was fans 'feeling so sorry that they cried' for him, because he's allegedly insecure since one of his fingers is a bit shorter.
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> because he's allegedly insecure since one of his fingers is a bit shorter.
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Anon is exaggerating, he has genuinely fucked up fingers because of a joint disorder. It looks painful tbh.
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>>236961>he has genuinely fucked up fingers because of a joint disorder
That just looks like normal hypermobility, nothing wrong with that, many people (myself included) have it.
Bu3t that's what you get from fandoms that even fetishize their Oppars finger's, the smallest imperfection will get noticed.
If you do these 'tricks' like in the 2 pics i posted often as a child, of course your joints will stick out weirdly even in a relaxed state.
I don't want to selfpost, but mine look even worse than his even if i try to hold them completely straight and it doesn't hurt, there's nothing wrong and definitely nothing to feel self conscious over.
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I'll do you the favor myself then lmao.
Compare the swan neck one with Jin's fingers, they do look pretty similar.
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While I believe there's something actually up with his fingers, let's not derail.
Can we talk about how creepy EXO's "leader" Suho is…? His smile freaks me out.
Do you have example of him looking creepy? I think he is cute.
I know people complain about us criticizing idol's look but sehun look legit retarded to me. His eyes are empty.
"The light is on but there nobody home" is all I can think about when I see him.
He is also really shit live.
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Sehun is just… odd. You're right, I always expect him to take five seconds to compose an answer. It doesn't help he speaks so slowly as well. Learning korean and his speech is so washed and slurred, I can barely get what he's saying.
Also, Kai looks like he suffers from narcolepsy and in interviews they always say he's a huge slob and imply he's kind of rude. Why Krystal dated him we'll never know.
According to the koreans fans, both of them are rude and therefore fit together lol
(Plus he does look good…)
> shawty imma party til the sundown> nevah don't mind about a thing
> THATS RIGHT MY TYPE
always crack me up, I cant take him seriously with this BS
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Some people say Baekhyun looks good too, but I can't get over his shitty ass acting in Exo Next Door. The only person worse than him in that is Suho and Suho went to school for acting, has 3 dramas, a movie and a broadway role and still continues to act like a wooden slab painted with 22 Green BB cream.
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Never watched him act, but everything about him looks just so tiny, his height/body, his head, his mouth, so i don't really get how anybody could find him hot.
Plus he has weirdly wide hips, so imo he looks pretty feminine.
Xiumin is also short, but at least looks proportionate.
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Suho is kinda pretty for a dude, but he often acts really awkwardly (fake crying at awards, really obvious cringy fanservice, trying to be ~leader~ too hard while no one's interested in listening to him).
Plus, his mouth is just. So big. Fucking freaky.
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Now i get what you mean anon, he looks seriously 'empty' kek
Same with V; if you're brainless, but handsome, you just need to alternate between aegyo and 'staring sexily' to get popular…
I think you can clearly see that he's from a very wealthy family (no idea why or how).
He already always acts more composed than the others because of this and then trying to be the big leader on top of that…
But i do think he's rather handsome.
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V has one of the worst "resting dumbass face" in the world lmao. I don't get how his fans can find it endearing even his beautiful face can't save that.
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Lmao anon why do they think SM let him debut after being a trainee for 7+ years. He's obviously not talented in singing, dancing or acting, but his parents are rich.
Same with Tao. They wanted that chinabux so they let him debut. Some website ran a whole story on him being sussed out as a kid of some Chinese ultra-rich company owner.
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It's truly a shame, since he's extremely good looking…>>237004
Funny how so many fans think training for a long time = he must be really talented then
Tao always looked kind of angry/rude imo?
What i don't get is, why do so many (especially international fanss i guess) find Do so hot?
He seems just so incredibly bland.
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His face looks so much like a child's that looking at his body makes me feel guilty…
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I'm not a DO/Exo fan myself, but it's supposedly because he's "real" and doesn't put on much of a show to be some kind of persona (or at least does it subtly). You often see him annoyed with other members of his group and he hates doing aegyo cutesy shit. It also helps he's a slightly above average actor and can sing decently (aside from that other one guy probably the only one in Exo with a singing voice).
Any smidgeon of talent = GOD D.O WITH AN ANGELIC VOICE AND PRESHUS FACE in those fangirl eyes
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He looks like what the rest of the world thinks an average asian guy looks like. He is way above average in his country since a lot of them have really fucked up faces… I think he is one of the most attractive in the group, to bad he is basically a dwarf kek. I also enjoy how much he seem to be over idol life.
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Just looking at him, made me feel like he's one of those people with the personality of a piece of bread…
But it's nice that they like someone for his talent for once.
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DO @ idol life, basically.
But all of them are overrated, except maybe Chen who gets to be out of SM prison twice a year to sing in an OST, receive an indie award and look really dumb with his buzzed bowl cut kek
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Lmao those ribs, inb4 anyone says she's just slender.
Lisa is 100% starving herself and also bleaches to a spoopy degree. She used to be pretty dark but now has really light skin that peels from all the bleach.
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Obligatory Yoona. Her face is super boring to me but her body is well balanced, it's cute and sexy at the same time.
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Don't know who has the best one but Haeryung has to have one of the worst ones, poor girl starved herself to nothing and she didn't even get a waist…
You know all of them put a persona in front of the cameras right?
Idols can't act like real people when being filmed.
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Hello Venus Nara (looking at her makes me feel glad to be tall)
No, no one of us has EVER considered the possibility that idols have to put on a façade in front of the public. Ever. Thank you for that revelation, it has opened thousands of farmers' eyes on here.
But that aside, the persona itself existing isn't the problem, it's the problem that it's just fucking annoying.
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Yuri's If performance is still the hottest a female idol has ever looked. She's still hot but her body back then was 10/10
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sorry for samefag but yeah this body
Yes, Dahye at her prime was top notch. >>237051
Tzuyu is also nice. Momo too.
Joy from Red Velvet.
Yeonwoo also have a nice body. And Nancy. I like anyone with a bit of chub on their thighs and small waist. Abs are a plus too.
A lot of idols have really nice bodies, imo.>>237050
I didn't know her but she's pretty hot
Also Hyebin. She's super fucking thin but the way she moves makes her look so curvacious? vid related
Okay sure he might have simply dropped dead for no reason too, it's not outside the realm of possibility. I just put 2+2 together and guessed suicide because Korea.>>237085
Because Koreans like that kind of plain face, etc, etc, blah blah. It's been over a decade, let's all please get over why Korea likes Yoona so much. It's so tedious every single time she's mentioned people start the "but x and y is more attractive", yeah it's probably true but we can't change how they feel about her so it's pointless. I'm sure most of Koreans are moving on to newer, younger idols by now anyway. They seem to lose interest in idols once they pass a certain age/a new generation of groups debut.
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And i don't get why international fans seem to be so obsessed with Seulgi, her face is just as 'bland' as Irene's and Yoona's…?
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Because she has monolids and international fans like when idols are all natural
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Never said that’s what it meant. She doesn’t have the kind of face that screams plastic surgery like every other idol has. You can easily tell when someone’s face has been messed with to fuck. That kind of too good to be true look, Idk how to explain it but you know what I mean. There’s too many predebut pics from when she was a kid to even dispute the fact that she looks natural. As natural as one can look before getting the kpop makeover anyway lol. I’m kinda worried for her though, these days her face has been looking huge. I don’t know if it’s her new hair (those god awful bangs) or some fucking weird korean Botox shit that adds 10 pounds to your face but it’s a shame. I’ve always wondered if she could be bullimic, she’s the thinnest member of the group when Wendy isn’t yoyo-dieting. constantly and during her live performances she’s a stick but her face just looks.. chubby? Doesn’t make any sense but it might just be the hair
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I can't tell if idols these days are faker than 2nd gen idols or if their just more obvious. Obviously they all put on an act, but for some it feels like themselves but exaggerated to fit idol standards and for others it feels like they might be completely different when there's no camera or fans. I get why because the 2nd gen idols who were openly a bit more blunt had people who didn't like it, and I don't like all of them either, but at least it felt a little more real than "I'm our teams sunshine vitamin cutie-sexy mood maker~".
Nayeon and Jennie seem like two idols loads of people agree are probably bitchier than they'd show as an idol but I wonder who's secretly totally different off cam. I can't tell with some like Sana, at first I thought it was an exaggerated ditzy act to get uncle fans who want to fuck a girl who acts like she doesn't know what's going on and I admired the hustle even if I think she's embarrassing, but now I think she might actually just be an idiot
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Seulgi still has her charms but the bangs need to fucking go
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fat fillers? i dont understand why koreans seem to love chubby faces on very slim bodies… it looks off
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FIRST OF ALL. There is nothing remotely near to Latino in those clothes, they are gonna get cocked alive inside them 4 layers if they were here. SECOND. God please somebody stop super junior. just. Why. Why are they still around, can't they just retire while conserving the small left amount of dignity they have? they don't have any imo but we all know they have ruined themselves with their shitty behaviour.
Only heechul, donghae, eunhyuk and maybe sungmin (wasn't him kicked out by his own fandom??) are worth something. Yesung is a pretentious and unfunny annoying bitch and that's that.
He wish, heechul looks like a mom in a midlife crisis at this point>>237132
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There was a time when 14 year old me thought these men were the hottest things ever. 2008 was a weird year.
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I might be biased because Kai is honest-to-god one of the most handsome men I've ever laid my eyes on (and I find him very sweet and interesting and intelligent) but I think he has a great body. I like bodies that you can tell have muscle but it's not over-the-top, just enough to look strong and attractive. Exo is the only k-pop group I like, they have a lot of fun songs, but Kai is the only one I follow lol. Suho and Sehun are handsome and attractive, Ziumin has nice looks too. I never got the appeal of Baekhyun and Kyungsoo, they're good-looking and all but nothing special and kinda bland at times. But Kai? Hooo boy, he blows everyone out of the water. Between him and the others in Exo, for me, there's honestly no comparison.
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>>237121>I admired the hustle even if I think she's embarrassing, but now I think she might actually just be an idiot>pic related
I don't hate the idols for being genuinely stupid or playing it up, but the fans are the worst about promoting behaviors like this by calling it ~~~4D~~~. Sana and Momo get away with playing up their ditziness through sheer popularity and cuteness. If they were the girl from AKMU or JooE saying shit like "I got hit in the head as a child so I forgot to speak Japanese and English teehee" people would call them tryhard and rip them apart.
I think the internet (forums to analyze gifs frame by frame, people waiting for an idol to like something on IG, etc.) has made it harder for idols to be less filtered because anything not safe is immediately gonna be picked apart and can snowball into a scandal. >>237142>mfw she's saying that people only think it's ageplay like because she is short and not curvy
Why did you choose a pic of him looking like a rapist lmao?
I agree that he's gorgeous tho, his face has a high fashion quality to it. But he's probably an asshole since he dated Krystal.
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I can't get over the stupid face Suho make at this moment (1:33) in call me baby, he look like a perverted old man.
It's part of their job to keep a good face at all time especially in a music video, he is the focus for 5 second and he look weird and dumb. I would have never let this shit pass if I was the director.
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Sana's profile is absolutely disgusting. No idea why she's considered one of twice's visuals, are overjets ideal now or?
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I hate that cutesy aegyo hand opening and closing thing. Especially from men because its like they are big man babies asking for some tit-milk.
Its also super creepy how people asct like these grown ass men are babies. Fan drawings of them as babies sucking on soothers, plushies of them as babies with bottles, being surprised that they tried a sip of alcohol or coffee. They arent your little mommy ageplay fantasy, they are grown ass men who get drunk, have one night stands, and jack off to japanese lesbian porn. Probably all in one night as well
probably should've made your post as a reply to >>237023
lol I was confused too, I thought you were posting in the wrong thread or something.>>237158
holy shit I've never seen her from the side. That's actually a nice nose IMO it just doesn't fit the rest of her features at all.
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why does this bts nigga look like a minion
Damn, she makes every 13 year old jpop idol seem mature in comparison and what kind of shitty excuse is that?!
Video related, you could see how jyp and everybody else in the room immediately realized that she's close to being full blown retarded, but that's what gets uncle fans going, so…>>237145
Kai's body and proportions are extremely nice, i agree. But i read somewhere that he claims to only weigh around 60kg, but is over 1.80? There's no way that this can be true
Haha that's alright, I guess it was my fault for not replying to the post asking the question, so my mistake.>>237161
Ugh I agree, it's really bizarre and creepy, especially the gif you posted, I honestly could feel myself recoiling in horror. It always amuses me to see dumb ass 14-year-old fans gasping in shock or getting embarrassed when anything relating to their idol's sex life comes up, or when a k-pop song is even mildly suggestive; it's like, what do you expect, these are grown ass men who cater to stupid horny teens like you with good looks and sexual dance routines. I guess it doesn't help that those annoying tv shows the idols go on encourage that childish behaviour for whatever reason. Why do they make them do that shit again? I think I read above a post saying it was to infantile them or something.
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JK and RM dressed as minions for a calendar photoshoot so I'd bet on it being intentional
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oh it is>more minion imagery
pop culture was a mistake
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you don't understand anon it's actually DEEP
and SELF AWARE
. You understand BTS is a unique kpop group and everything they do is meaningful and profound.
RM said the song is meant to commiserate with people who spend their money on meaningless trendy bullshit because they feel they have no future worth saving for so this analysis kind of makes sense despite how autistic it sounds, but that doesn't make the choreography any less stupid and cringey.>>237202
couldn't possibly be because "yolo" with a long "o" would be hard to sing in that particular verse, that'd just be ridiculous.
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Anyone hear about this? Apparently this kpop idol called Seo Minwoo has died from cardiac arrest brought on by a suspected drug overdose.
Every parent that's okay with not seeing their child for several years is fucked up in general.
It's not like this is Africa there they have to grasp every little chance that could somehow grant a better future for their kid, they would have the option to just work a normal job.
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I want to marry her, what a beautiful human being.
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c) they are rich af and don't give a damn, since money isn't an issue
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Agree that HyunA has a flat ass and not so many curves in general, but her body is okay.
Now saying DaHye has the same body as many k-idols is haersay. Her waist to hip ratio is great.
Same about Tzuyu, but she's thinner in general. Still amazing waist though.>>237152>>237162tbh this thread is clearly full of kpop fans as well that can like something without being totally blind to its issues and people that like k-gossip
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Korea's (youth) unemployment rate is incredibly low in comparison to many other first world countries and still you don't see those sending their underage children away from home to basically get abused 24/7.
There's actually a lot of young Korean college grads imigrating to Japan/Canaa/Chine to get jobs at all.
Korea job market is brutal.
Isn't going to whore houses pretty common for men there?
A lot of the lesser girl groups must be required to do some "side jobs" in order and after debuting, never mind the failed idols.
I assume you mean "Spain's (youth) unemployment". I can't pretend to know anything about Spain tbh but they don't have a comparable pop industry to send their children to. Hell if we had idol training in the United States I absolutely believe there would be young people throwing themselves at it.>>237264
I used to watch those "(ship name) Analysis" videos for a laugh and they're ridiculous. shippers genuinely think that because a man holds another man's hand or is comfortable falling asleep on him it means they're secretly in love/fucking. Try living/working/training with someone 24/7 for 5+ years and see if you care if they fall asleep on or get touchy with you anymore kek. And they never listen if you try to tell them that growing up in a homophobic country results in intimacy between same-sex friends being normalized. No Oppa 1 looked at Oppa 2 and licked his lips absentmindedly clearly he wants that dick.
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Most of asians and europeans honestly don't give a shit about butts (and i hope it'll stay that way).
I'm sure everybody's seen this already, but here you go again.
No they meant Korea. To the far right, KOR.>>237251
From what I heard from Korean co-workers, they try to get into a few very prestigious firms and everything else is somewhat looked down upon. Just because they have jobs doesn't mean they are good jobs.
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No need to use 'they', this is a female site.
Also, having a job that's looked down on (something that also exists in other countries) is still a thousand times better than being literally unemployed and ending up homeless… Korea might be a shitty country, but let's not act as if they have it the hardest (that's already their fans job).
Kpop has made me despise randomn words, pic related, also 'precious' and the likes… ew
>>237251>>237329>No they meant Korea. To the far right, KOR.
ooh shit sorry I understand now, I was tired and completely misunderstood/misread that post + pic kek my bad.>>237331
I'm honestly not one for nitpicking idols' appearances but Jimin's tiny hands kinda freak me out. Like they're not even just small for a man, they're small for an adult in general.
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Agreed, they look really unfortunate…
V is always praised for having very attractive hands with long fingers, but to me they only look average (maybe they're not for an asian…?)
uwu oppa is so smol, protect the baby!!
also it's weird when kpop fans deny that a lot of idols are really short but still lose their shit when one of their faves wears an oversized shirt because 'omg smol and soft'. jpop idol profiles straight up admit if a guy is like 5'3 but kpop idols add like 2-3 inches to a profile height. just admit they aren't as tall as usual standards, people are going to notice eventually when two 5'10 guys are standing next to each other and there's a clear difference
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When they're standing next to foreigners you can see just how short they really are.
Makes me wonder whether the SNSD girls are an exception and actually tall or if there's something wrong with those Jpop idols…
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Saged for samefag, i know that Simon and Martina being fat will make them look even bigger additionally, but nevertheless…
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Anything else you want to pull out of your ass?
they're still obsessed in a different way. they want all the women to be alluring and sexy but innocent and pure. aidoru culture in japan isn't all
of their music.
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Suga is rumoured to be dating and of course all his foreign fans would be totez okay with it and happy for him, cause after all they're grown men…
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If he's really in a relationship with her his fans should be happy for him, she is super cute and way out of his league, Suga is talented but in the kpop world he's seriously fugly.
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I actually think he's pretty cute (albeit in a feminine way) but I agree that Suran is 100% out of his league. I hate that people heard about how he was supportive of her when she was going through a depressive episode and started shipping them because either ~omg he talked to a woman clearly they're fucking~ or ~omg they're both mentally ill~.
I think they're both fugly, so they fit together.
The reason i brought this up was because all his fans act as if they don't mind at all (when we all know they actually do) and write stuff like, "They're so cute together, he deserves it so much!"…
Idk anon, western fanbases seem ok with dating.
Korean and SEA on the other hand
Let's be honest here, Suga is ugly.
He's very talented, but way too skinny and with an egg face.
You'd think for someone that cares so much about mental illness he'd avoid pushing starvation as a way of life.
That's why they always have them play childish games or sports, them talking alone is just too boring.
They get most of their songs when they're already finished, same with the choreography, they can't even choose their own outfits, so what could you ask them about?
Jungkook voice is so breathy it's distracting, Jimin is a shitty singer and V is mediocre at best, they all sound kinda bad live. V's attempt at acting was pathetic and cringy.
Jhope isn't an exceptional raper, RM and Suga are reasonably talented IMO.
Tomorrow their song the most praised for being deep and meaningful is basically "I'm lost and sad BUT tomorrow is another day yay" nothing groundbreaking and it's not say in a poetic way either tbh.
Their fan also like to say that BTS has something more than other groups when it come to stages performances, but it's pure delusion, plenty of groups have amazing dances, stage presences and charisma.
I actually believe most fan are aware that they're not all that amazing and choose to suspend their disbelief because they can't accept that they're stanning them for their cuteness and not for their talent.
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who are they kidding
Tbh for Jhope, at least he is quite good dancer and his personal mixtape was decent atleast.
Suga and RM too, make higher quality stuff when not in the group…Makes you wonder if it would be better if they all went solo.
Considering how bad was Suga audition rap, I doub he would be anywhere near famous today if he didn't join BTS.
In the future, yes, a solo carreer, considering his success producing Wine, would be very feasible.
About RM I'm not that sure, his solo stuff feels kind of dry in a iamverysmart way.
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>>237487> Like he's so wise.
He's belongs in r/iamverysmart…
kek they always say "b-but oppa is too busy to date!" They know idols aren't the only people in the world with busy jobs, right? My dad worked two jobs plus university for years and he had a wife and three kids, and there are many people who do the same.>>237451>Let's be honest here, Suga is ugly.
hah I wasn't trying to be charitable I genuinely think he's cute as fuck. The starvation thing is annoying though, I hate it when he blatantly talks about how he needs to lose weight or doesn't want to eat something because he'll feel guilty when he's already skinny as fuck. IMO he shouldn't say that on camera when he knows his young fans might see it, that shit's damaging.
>>237481>I actually believe most fan are aware that they're not all that amazing and choose to suspend their disbelief because they can't accept that they're stanning them for their cuteness and not for their talent.
either that or they're really young and don't listen to much music, I can't see any other reason why they'd be that impressed by BTS music-wise. I like them but they're fun, not particularly impressive.>>237496
the only thing I know about Bobby is that one time he said, "Hip-hop isn’t just music; it has a culture. Like when you’re simply hanging out with your friends and high-five each other, that’s hip-hop. For example, waking up in the morning and going to school without showering, that’s hip-hop too."
i've been doing it all wrong. I'm never bathing again so I can be hip-hop as fuck
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Of course there are some idols with a genuinely fucked up body image, BUT i'm sure that many also only whine on camera about feeling fat for extra pity points. Imo Suga has always looked the same weight.
Slight OT, but i can't help but feel jealous over how attractive thin all of Twice are, every normal person would look fat as fuck in those pants…
Is were even any "original" trend from the 2010s? I feel like nearly everything is being reused, especially from the 90s…
Saged for OT
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the obsession with 'concepts' when there isn't really one annoys me a lot. the twice comeback teasers are being called a retro concept and i'm not seeing anything more than the 90/00s influences that are popular right now anyway. the font could kind of be seen as retro but the candy scattered around and the clothes are pretty much the same as past 'concepts'
Seriously that annoys me too. I actually like Twice (pls don't ban me) but they have some incredibly stupid stans.>>237522
All of the individual teasers so far have had Gucci, Chloe, Versace etc mixed with mom jeans and shit. It looks a total mess.
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apparently there's fighting between different members fans (especially tzuyu) over who's getting the most expensive clothes in the teasers>>237523
somebody needs to stay uncle bait
Why do North Americans have to segmentize everything by race, that's so annoying.
I'm no Kpop fan, but come on, most real rappers are very sexist and have disgusting video clips and lyrics. Why would a teen girl feel attracted to listening about fat butts and doin drugs with mah gang in jail?
>Because kpop is just an outlet for white kids whose parents wont let them listen to actual black rap/hiphop
this is true, where i'm from we call it "safe hip-hop". a western example is twenty one pilots: a white dude using hip-hop/rap to talk about how depressed he is/life sucks is super appealing to suburan kids who probably hate normal hip hop. kpop is a way for them to enjoy all the fun of rap/hip hop without all the vulgarity. i don't think i've heard a mainstream expicit kpop song
don't get me wrong, a majority of rap is terrible. but a lot of teens use kpop to pretend that they're edgier than they actually are and it's quite annoying
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That make sense. I was watching this clip of AKB48 members performing with K-pop girl group members and the disparity in size is kinda noticeable. I thought K-pop girl groups members already looked so small and thin but the AKB48 members were even frailer-looking.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_5qzkFgr9E
>>237544>Why would a teen girl feel attracted to listening about fat butts and doin drugs with mah gang in jail?
plenty do, which is why so many of them get up in arms about kpop fans being "racist" for preferring kpop/idol rap lol. I liked a lot of black hip-hop as a teenager because I don't mind vulgarity in music and I enjoy listening to stories I can't necessarily relate to, but I don't blame people for enjoying the style of hip hop but being put off by the vulgarity of it, especially young women.>>237562
you know you're tiny when you make kpop idols look wide by comparison
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That performance still makes me wonder how Produce 48 is gonna work. AKB84 and similar Jpop groups have totally different styling, visuals, and sounds from most of Kpop, even the most diabetes-tier groups.
Also it's nuts that they're so small that Doyeon looks 'bulky'.
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anyone fucking hates twice? my favorite part of their fandom is the twenty something male fans who pretend that they listen to them for the ~music~
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Same. Those reasons plus South Korea's and Japan's strained deep-seeded hatred towards one another makes me think Produce 48 is gonna be a shitshow.
Unrelated but I think Doyeon's quite pretty with a cute features and decent body. Retarded Koreans still shit on her though because she looks more naturally Asian than the triangle-nosed, V-shaped idols they're used to.
I frankly do; because i'm madly jealous of the way they look (especially their bodies) and i think their popularity is completely undeserved.
But what truly angers me is the constant aegyo/acting dumb…
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like ooh ahh was an alright concept so i dont get why they regressed into childish dumb concepts. well i know exactly why but it's angering.
None of them sing well, the dances are simple enough you don't need much talent and the visuals are normal. I don't get the hype at all. That being said, their songs are cute but that's the only positive in my eyes.
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I've been into kpop for nearly a decade but I've only ever actively followed 2 or 3 groups at a time. I miss dramatic and stupid rumors because it feels like all there is now is boring dating rumors and idols saying stupid things and getting called out.
I miss Jay Park getting 15 year old Hyuna pregnant so she had to leave Wonder Girls, all the SNSD members fucking all of the SuJu and TVXQ members (Jessica and Jaejoong getting matching couple jaw shaves), Taeyeon straight up hating Jessica. If kpop fans are going to lose their shit over every single 'scandal' then I want them to give scandals better than a guy saying his ideal girlfriend would be pale
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I think the girls are beautiful but they have to be one of the least talented girl groups of this generation and it infuriates me the insane popularity they have because their fan base is probably composed by mostly old creepy dudes. That said please someone teach ChaeYoung, Dahyun and Mina how to fucking emote because watching them perform physically hurts me, they always look bored/scared/pissed
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I can never unsee this.>>237592
I don't understand the appeal of Mina. She's beautiful, sure, but she has the charisma of a sack of spuds, her eyes have this cold dead look as if she's being forced into this. Her ballet skills are overrated, her singing is meh, her stage presence is non-existent. I just don't get it. Yeah she's a cute, sweet girl who seems like a nice person, but that's not what I want from an entertainer, I have friends who are like that. Also I think gummy smiles are disgusting but that's beside the points.
Eh, I don't see a problem with teen and young adult male K-pop fans specifically. They sexualize girl group idols to a great extent? A lot of teenage and young adult female K-pop fans do that too with boy group idols. it's gross but not gender specific.
Older male fans (and some female fans) of K-pop are the ones that kinda freak me out. It's a no-brainer that the K-pop industry relies on youthful look and will infantilize performers who are in their twenties. It makes sense to do that when the audience you're trying to reach are also young teenagers. Uncle fans and noona fans seem immature and make me question their priorities.>>237593
r/kpop used to be a cesspool filled with male K-pop fans who wanted a safe space because they were triggered
by guy groups fans. Now it's become more gender-balanced but is no better than Twitter or even OneHallyu when it comes to discussion.
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Also hate this obsession with "concepts". Just listen to the song/see the dance, stop acting like they are doing something oh so original and new for this "concept" urh The only concepts that I think make sense are cute or sexy. >>237523
Eh, I personally think it's cute if the girl doesn't have a super mature face. It would look weird for Seulgi for example.>>237522>>237529
It's funny, I usually think their MV clothing are not nearly half as good as their stage ones.>>237592
What? A lot of performances I see Dahyun is always smiling. But nothing compares to Jihyo, she always looks like she's having a blast at the stage.>>237596
Mina is indeed very overrated. I guess some koreans just like the quiet, kuudere type of girl. Seems to be a theme sometimes.
I don’t mind Korean rap but it can be so, so corny, like BTS having “yolo” in their song in fucking 2018 or Bobby saying that not showering is hip hop>>237608
If Twice wasn’t praised for their looks I don’t think this many people would insist that they’re the prettiest group
Auntie fans are fucking loaded and any male idol would lose out without them, I can promise they like them better than poor teens who'd rather fork out on stalking them than buying suitcases full of merch. They tend to be less invasive or crazy as a rule, especially Japanese fans who are notorious for being middle aged women.
I mean, no doubt a bunch of young male celebs are assholes about women's looks and age no matter how much the fan spends, but they wouldn't want them to stop coming to their concerts and fan signs.
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Everyone smiles, the thing about those 3 is that they usually have a range of 3 different facial expressions during their performances and it becomes unnerving after a while. I do find it weird because when she's not performing, Dahyun is quirky and dorky. She's not nearly as bad a Chaeyoung tho.
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That's strangely more accurate than Samuel Jackson and AOA Jimin comparisons (before Jimin got her entire face reconstructed). Doyeon is beautiful as fuck, though.
You can look at the stats for different groups; e.g. BTS korean fans are probably made up by 90% teen girls, and the rest just slightly older. Their screeching is probably annoying, but there's nothing scary about it.
But then you have underage girl groups there suddenly a large part of the fan base consists of 30, 40 or 50-year-old men…
Like these are the fanchants of a show labeled healthy porn, doesn't sound like harmless teen boys their age imo
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I couldnt stand the slaaaaaaay queeeeen dark skin yessss praise they get from international fans.Hyorin(?) has such a fug face
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Hyeri is weirdly attractive to me for some reason. Her face is kind of..off? But she kind of makes it work.
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Twice's first mini album came with photocards of them as babies and preteens. Considering their mostly male fan base, this is creepy af.
There's a few of female idols I genuinely find ugly, but most of anons here are just nitpicky as hell. Okay I know it's an anti thread and beauty is subjective but still. Like someone else up thread said, there's so much to criticise kpop/kpop fans about and here everyone is just ripping on girls for their looks.
That Jimin anti was 100% right though.
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He is ugly by korean beauty standards too tbh (puffy eyes with monolids, "flat" nose thick lips…). But he has a cute personality and know how to catch eyes when he dances so he is quite popular.
Surprisingly enough, monolids are starting to become popular again, probably due to monolids becoming a rare thing instead of getting doubles done.
>thick lips >unattractive
Also styling and make-up plays a big role, it took years to his stylist to figure it out how to make him look decent and enhance his strong points, since his features are hard to work with, again, for not being conventionally attractive and not having a boring plain looking face.
He is also charming like you said, and if his stage presence and personality were gone, he would be a zero at the left, but imo calling him freaky looking is a reach.
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Cute thick lips are attractive for example D.O is often praised for his heart shaped mouth. Jimin's lips aren't really complimented except by international fans I think it's because they're aren't as sharp but more spongy looking or it could also be the makeup or maybe it doesn't compliment his features well? Idk. Faces are complicated.
I think that in D.O case, he looks masculine, and so does the shape of his lips, whereas Jimin has feminine features plastered in a masculine bone structure (ex. his jaw).
There is a Beast member who has similar features, but I don't remember his name lmao. They both look like babies who grew up everything except for their faces, so I can understand now why it could be freaky. My bad.
Jin is a similar case, but worse. His lips and eyes are soft, feminine looking, weak jaw, small face and head on top of a big framed body. Still Koreans praise him for looking like a yaoi character.
If you look at this performance, especially at around 0:45, you'll see Mina's "smile" is way more forced, if you can count that as a smile lmao Jihyo is a sunshine and Dahyun look honestly fine imho. Chaeyoung is not as bad as Mina but still bad.
Anyway, I think that's not that important though, I don't fault them for not being genuinely smiling 100% of the time.>>237667
100% agree. I can feel myself recoiling when I hear these grown ass man screaming like maniacs at a girl half their size and age.>>237684
Oh, these pics are so cute. Because of men we can't have nice things.
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Anyone here ever been to a K-pop concert? I feel like they'd be full of cringy sweaty teenagers doing weird things, dying for some lulzy stories from k concerts
I wouldn't go because I can't fucking stand teenagers. In my country I do believe that there are no uncle fans (or at least, they'd be like 1% of the fanbase at most), and it's only popular with teenagers. I thought it was cringy enough when I was a teenager myself when people were screaming and saying unfunny shit about the j-rockers when I went on their lives, I think it would be death to bare loud horny teenagers as an adult.
But ngl, I'd like to see some groups live out of curiosity. It's always kinda surprising to see the real thing vs through the screen.
I went to GD's concert last year and it was like Tumblr threw up on it. There were hundreds of super fat girls trying to dress like male idols. There was a decent amount of guys there though. The most cringy part was this landwhale a few rows ahead of me who stood up the whole time "dancing" and panting. Ugh, and during his song Middle Fingers Up she literally stood there the entire time with her arms and middle fingers up. I blame GD for that mess though, he enables the idiots who think the middle finger is edgy.
But I'm going to Monsta X's concert this summer and I'm terrified. I already had a girl who's a friend of a friend threaten me because I have the same bias as her and she's one of those people who can be the only one to like a member. She's fucking crazy.
I also have a former roommate who I introduced to EXO and I regret it every day. She was a self-hating asian who thought all asian men were ugly until then, and now she fucking stalks EXO and goes to their concerts and the airport thinking oppa will fall in love with her. One of them like… glanced at her and she took it as him thinking she was the most beautiful thing and they are in love.
I would feel ridiculous just for being in the same place as, and screaming with, a bunch of teens.
No way I'll ever go to a boy group concert.
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I can't stand them and I really don't like Jeong-yawn. She looks like a fish with her big eyes
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this girl is bootleg Amber
The thing is, Amber tomboyishness is real and jeongyeongs is a role JYP gave her. I feel sorry for her, she doesn't seem that comfortable in the boy role and the retarded fans don't help, calling her oppa/hyung, acting dumb when she dresses more feminine and such.
I don't think she's particularly pretty, but I think she has potential with a better styling. I wish they'd let gro her hair, already.
She seemed to like wearing that flowy dress in Chile Music Bank, but maybe I am projecting here lol
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She looks prettier with long hair in my opinion
I agree. Long hair suits her so much better. JYP should stop trying to force the tomboy concept upon her and give her a style that fits her personality.
I feel bad for her. I think she'd be a much more popular member if she was styled better and given more lines. TWICE as a whole are god awful singers but she's one of the stronger vocalists. She's basically only known as the boyish-looking member.
I would love to see BTS live because the atmosphere at their shows seems pretty great but I also cannot stand younger teenagers. I'm only 20 so there's a good chance there'd be people there my age but I'd hate to wind up surrounded by 14 year olds. If I could somehow convince a large group of my friends to go then I think it could be a good time.
I wouldn't go to a fansign though. I already have plenty of experience with men in their 20s pretending to give a shit about me kek.
Not the original poster you replied to, but have you ever watched a performance of Kcon in LA? Nearly everybody in the audience is cringy is fuck; not even necessarily very young, but nearly always dressed shit like shit and obese…
I bet when koreans watch this, it'll inflate their egos even more, seeing how unfortunate the average american looks in comparison to their idols…
Is this edited or did she use extensions for some event? She looks waaay better with long hair, holy shit. Cut the tomboy act, JYP, please.>>237949
You can be a tomboy lesbian though? Just like you can be a femme lesbian.
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That's photoshop but here it's her with her real hair long.
>>238028>an extremely ugly person like Jimin
The post was about you. You are the obsessive K-pop fan with a bizzare fixation on one mediocre person's looks.
It's like this entire thread lacks self-awareness
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can someone PLEASE explain to me what 'small face' means as a beauty standard? i see it used so often by kpop stans/koreans and i have no fucking clue how someone has a 'small face'.
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A lot of koreans have big square face. They love tiny face because it's cuter and more elegant I guess? I can understand not wanting a big meaty face.
It's just a general east Asian thing, they just like small faces for some reason. I've never seen an explanation for it, it's simply a beauty standard.>>237950
I've seen Amber around LA and that girl can't be anything but gay. That's not being a tomboy, that's flat out butch lesbian.
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I think what they mean by small face is actually a small head with delicate face features
When I think of a "small face", I think of this lol
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Ideally your head is supposed to fit 8 times into your body. This stems from old greek art, so it might only apply to Europeans.
Pic related is not Kpop, but it shows it really well: both girls are extremely short, but because one of them has a smaller head her body in total still looks rather proportionate.
So if you're really tall, chances are high that your head fits 8 or even 9 times, but if you're shorter, like most asians, having a smaller head is needed for your body to look nicely proportioned.
(Same with eye size or general features: if your eyes are big, they'll still look big even if you've got a bigger face, but if they're not, having a smaller head would be needed for them to stand out more.)
Some people claim that most Koreans are prone to having a more square face/big jaw (i don't know if that's true), but if that's the case, having a smaller face would be even more "special" and therefore desireable.
Just copied this from here http://topics-on-japan.blogspot.de/2013/03/who-is-kintaro.html?m=1
Who is Kintaro?
Kintaro(キンタロー。) is one of the most famous comedians in Japan now. She is famous for her impression of Atsuko Maeda, a former member of AKB48 which is the most famous Japanese idol group today.
Though Kintaro hardly resembles Atsuko Maeda in face, Kintaro sounds like Atsuko Maeda. In Addition, Kintaro dances to the music of AKB48 quite exactly. Dancing is in her line, because she worked as an instructor of ballroom dance before becoming a comedian in 2011.
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This is the first photo for Jimin that shows up. For those not in the community, you sound delusional and bitter as fuck calling this ugly.
Basically anyone with a mostly symmetrical face is mediocre looking at worst.
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I think they were talking about AOA's Jimin, not BTS Jimin. And speaking about AOA's Jimin, what do you guys think about her new face?
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This is what an actually ugly man looks like. See the thousands of differences? Yah.
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There is nothing wrong with being ugly, people are going to react when you call someone with a weird face attractive.
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Ok so the other Jimin looks like this. A totally average looking woman. Again, youre delusional if you think this is ugly at all. This community is so insulated and circldjerk-y some have clearly forgot what the average person looks like. Unless ugly = average in here?
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Momoiro Clover Z's Kanako Momota
I think she's just naturally extremely short and petite
People are “pressed” cause calling average looking guys ugly makes you sound like you never socialize with real people and you expect everyone to look like your “Oppar” kek
I honestly wouldn’t look twice at him if I passed him on the street. He’s not exceptional looking in either direction. You can convince yourself into thinking average people look ugly but you cant convince other sane people.
And being so fixated on him that you constantly come back to call him ugly makes you look like a weirdo.
Not that anon, but I really think Jimin has a exotic look to him and not at all unattractive.
When he was at the MTV awards he looked like a otherworldly elp,weird but attractive.
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He did look like a mix between a human and a deep sea creature, I'll give you that.
Talk about obsesed.
I wouldn't pay anymore than 80 bucks for any type of concert or meeting event, and that's only if I really liked the group or idol.
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Well, Jin supposedly went viral too, despite looking soft and spongelike as hell…
Also, why is Vogue suddenly kissing Korea's ass?https://youtu.be/5hpuoMilm_4https://youtu.be/HvPbH30KWLE
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But Jin went viral in East Asia and he look very good in the picture tbh they contoured his jaw nicely.
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No, in the US during the Billboard awards
I guess it's because BTS became kinda popular in the mainstream West after Billboard Awards, and CL sang in the Pyeongchang closing ceremony (also a mainstream event). I enjoyed CL's Vogue interview, I'm not very into kpop but I like her.
I remember this one video from 2014 with Rita Ora and HyunA, this was an unexpected one
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I don't think Jin is ugly but I was surprised so many people in the US fixated on him, I'd think they'd be more into Taehyung. I remember people being really into Hobi, too, which also surprised me (they don't call him j-horse for nothing).
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kek All of them looked even worse during their debut.
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lol Namjoon's afro. Their styling back then was tragic.
I do think Jimin looked better with a tan and some muscle though, terrible makeup aside.
I wonder how they all felt when jungkook started growing bigger and more attractive
Also, V needs to quit that stupid v sign thing he does, what the fuck is the point in hiding his face when it's the one thing most people like him for
pretty sure they're memeing, cos he looks loopy in that pic>>237950
I think his company encourage him to diet and not put muscle like he seems to like.
He look so much like a little lesbian in the DNA MV because of his weight loss. He's way more attractive with more fat and muscle on him.
But I understand how BTS is always complaining about being ugly, except V they're really bellow in term of look next to other idols.
Imo Jin is probably the most feminine one (tied with Jimin), so you'd think he wouldn't be considered attractive at all in the US. And aren't they all around the same height, besides Jimin and Suga? So i don't think he's any less twinky than V.
Btw i'd die to know just how high their insoles are when appearing on american TV lol
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I don't get why many find Blackpink so "stunning".
Twice at least has the cheerleader effect working for them, but they don't look special as a group or individually. The only thing that they've got going is looking rich, but also only because they get to wear clothes that are expensive as hell.
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We cant talk about overrated talent in kpop without mentioning Tiffany.
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Oh Tiffany. I genuinely don't think she's a bad person, she's just not very smart. She's not smart with her singing and definitely not book smart (the whole Japan flag scandal) but at least she tries. She's like a cute, dumb puppy which just can't stop pissing on the floor no matter how many times you try to teach it not to.
I do also think that Taeny shippers ruined the SNSD fandom to a huge extent. The delusion is real.
Pic is of her teenage xanga account.
My gf is a fan (though probably one of the oldest ones) of both Exo and Bts, have seen both live in SK. Jimin seems to be the one with insoles judging on how he dances (don't know how to describe it, his legs arch weirdly?). Suga doesn't look like he wears any. They also have insanely long legs, I always thought especially Jimin, RM and Suga were pretty stubby but they look taller on stage. SuHo of Exo is more handsome/prettier live than on camera, Sehun looks uglier and like he doesn't think too much live.
Sorry for my bad English, second language.
>>237416>Suran had to post an apology after the "dating scandal"
That's bullshit, the women can't even post macarroons on her SNS without crazy armys theorizing over them?
Suga must be feeling like shit that his fans were bullying another artist.
Her apology post:
"Hello, this is Suran.
First off, I do want to sincerely apologize to those who became hurt because of me. I had used the phrase "반지르르한 윤기가 흐르는 (shining flow)" instead of shining thoughts. It was my idea of speaking from my heart.
However, the post (that is causing controversy) has a lot more personal stories that you guys know of, has really different storylines. The macaron was provided by a friend, I thought it was pretty, hence the photo.
S in this case meant Spanish, and Poodle puppy was also mentioned because of the shoot for the magazine. I was taken by shock and felt hurt by the amount of assumptions and attacks because I used phrases that weren't commonly used. I have tried to delete posts with a hurting mind, but then, this is also my own SNS, and I didn't write anything that was bad/impure.
I was just showing who I was as an artist with my own sincerity. I am always heading to a new destination in the path of better music.
I only met SUGA last year, where we spoke about music. Our relationship was only about music and nothing more. However, what is frustrating to me is that there will always be people who continue to misinterpret [the content]. I spent a long time thinking on how to resolve this. 365days 24hours.
I ultimately have to be more conscious and think of my peers [when posting], and i think that everyone should take situations in care with everything they post.
I once again apologize sincerely. I will be an artist who thinks things over."
Wow. Shows what insanity evolves as soon as a male and female artist collaborate. That isn't always confined to Kpop/Jpop, but it sure is pretty prevalent here. It's so disgusting that she has to apologize for working with someone and some of her text posts being misinterpreted to mean she's hinting at a dating scandal. And I thought Suga fujoshis were the least rabid of the bunch.
Remember when T.O.P kissed Lee Hyori on stage and no one gave a fuck? What's happened since then?
>>238288>They also have insanely long legs
Topkek, the only way you could make yourself sound more like a fan is by adding this>Sorry for my bad English, second language.
like all those 13-year-olds in the comment section of BTS videos…>>238307
Can you post pics? I never noticed that his weight fluctuates?
Even though I actually like Suga's work and all and I completely agree with >IMO he shouldn't say that on camera when he knows his young fans might see it, that shit's damaging.
I think the main problem is that in the ''idol world'' this shit is seen as normal? Even when fans will obviously worry and try to defend them, these are the ''rules'' that their work has, sadly. Being pretty, skinny, kind of perfect…Even if they talk about mental health and personal problems, most of the times they talk abouut it being in the past. I.e., making a song about depression…That they had two years ago. I know why they have to put it in a way that makes people think that depression is something that can be overcome but I'm sure that apart from the crying in concerts, none idol would cry in front of the cameras telling how sad / anxious they feel almost 24/7.
I like kpop but all the shit behind the scenes is what keeps me from defending all idols blindly, it just seems a big script to me. I think it's problem of the society too. Men in SK tend to be sexist and even if I try to think otherwise about my favourite artists, I know it is what it is, maybe a cultural matter. For example, in some videos male idols are always talking about ''what a real man is / how a real man should act''.
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Sorry, these aren't the best pics anon but they do show his weight has changed
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Jungkook's graduation (February 2017)
Judging from interviews he always seemed the most mature, honest and maybe non-kpopish(?), but his lyrics are so cringy.
>They call me new thang
The recruit is here, to take over everything,
The whole world, concert so sick,
from Asiana Asia
You could be my new thang
I’m different from the hyungs,
That ignore their duties
An uprising of celebrities,
damn only strong ones can mess with me
That's just the first verse and i already want to shoot myself…
He sounds completely full of himself, like every other rapper as well.>>238324
Isn't that how thin he usually looks?
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Are you retarded anon? He looks swollen in the 2017 picture obviously because of fillers, his fingers still looked bony as fuck
I know he talked about his depression in the past and said that he hide behind a confident and strong personality when actually he's really insecure but I agree with the lyric thing. As I said, I think it's just the biggest script ever for idols, having to pretend being someone they're not, at least not fully themselves.
Let's be honest, a confident person with a troubled past will always atract more people than one who's depressed and acting all insecure in stage, specially in the kpop world.
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That's him in spring 2017 and his legs are so thin that his skinny jeans fit super loose…
Doesn't matter; to me >>238288
also sounded like bullshit, either a minor or robot, who cares what some anon's gf claims to have seen
Considering he already stated he has some kind of impulse control problems, probably with booze, and that kind of thinking is easily transfered onto other compulsions, Suga getting a ED from living the Kpop life is very probable.
Even if starving is normalized in showbusiness, I guess it's still better than liver damage in the long run.
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He was by no means fat predebut but he definitely weighed more
I can't be assed to find them right now, but there's a couple of videos of Suga giving his food to other food members because according to him "he needs to lose weight" as he proceeds to just watch the others eat. Also joking the reason female idols don't get close to him is that his legs are so pretty, aka slim, that the girls are afraid about how they would look in comparison.
Not the best exemple to give young fans in my opinion.
Damn, they looked so healthy.
Why does Korea hate muscles?
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unless anon was a lesbian then it violates lolcow's rules
Okay you're right, he definitely lost a lot of weight after debuting.
Rapmonsters face has always been hideous, but if he was still a little more buff nowadays, plus being not as short as the others, he probably wouldn't look so bad.
It really shocked me when Kang Daniel said he wanted to lose weight; isn't his body one of the best in kpop? He's always complimented for it, yet he thinks he needs to lose weight…
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kind of a shitty pic but this is from October 2017 and you can tell he's put on some weight here, at least compared to how skinny he usually looks.>>238361
I'm sure they're encouraged to have certain body types but I also wouldn't be surprised if they just suck at maintaining muscle. They eat a lot of garbage (instant ramen, etc.) because it's convenient and they probably don't work out consistently beyond training/practice.
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It also amazes me how they dont seem to give a fuck when a member of their group starves themself. They're together 24/7, so it's not like they don't notice.
Jungkook has often expressed that he wans to lose weight, so you'd think that Jin who's 5 years older would somehow try to prevent that or take care of him. Instead he even called Jimin a pig in a Run episode.
Korean's see to be just cold as fuck in general and the hords of koreaboos going "it's their culture, you don't understand!" will prevent them from changing to the better…
I mean, it is their culture. That’s what koreans see as beauty, it’s like idol standards and these guys know that. A lot of idols will do radical dieting to achieve their perfect figure, so for someone close to him, they would see that as normal.
I’m not saying it’s right but it’s how they view things
Just like the cultures that believe female genital mutilation is an ok thing — we see that as something horrid and disgusting but for them it’s just part of their culture.
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There are examples of male idols with muscles… I too would like to know from a local what are their standards regarding male bodies. Aren't muscles supposed to be hot on guys worldwide?
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Wonho from Monsta X is one of the more muscular idols and holy fuck his body
Sure, we all know Korea has a toxic culture regarding weight.
The thing is, this goes against the image BTS as a group is trying to market to it's fans.
You can't say your whole concept is self love and awareness on current social issues and still go on with the fat jokes and "I'm too fat" whines.
Yeah but isn't it usually only one muscular guy per group, or two is it's a 10+ one?
Like how Jimin was supposed to be the muscular one in BTS at the beggining. Like a niche kind of thng.