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No. 2031808

This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse. Global rules apply: don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.

Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping
> Ao3 Censorship and TOS
> Slapfights between slash, femslash, and het shippers
> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads
> Whitewashed/blackwashed/colorist fanart drama
> ‘[Insert Sexuality/Gender]-Coded’ Characters
> Debates over death of the author
> Stalking/harassment experienced by actors/creators

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No. 2031817

Lol

No. 2031821

I hate this but also love this because that character is so loved by obnoxious moids. Please turn him into a cringey "lesbian icon".

No. 2031870

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Saw discourse popping up on my TL yesterday about BG3 fandom being "disgustingly ageist" and it turns out it was over this mod. God forbid women want to look at a hot Edward Cullen-esque twink and not a saggy jowly old man

No. 2031872

>>2031870
To be fair right looks like a plastic wax K-pop-tier doll. If they made him actually attractive none of these people would be complaining.

No. 2031873

>>2031870
nah i agree right looks even more ugly

No. 2031875

>>2031870
>charming wrinkles
lol, lmao even

No. 2031884

>>2031870
why is everyone on this board so against age

No. 2031889

>>2031884
charming wrinkles belong on grandmas nonnie, not on someone you'd like to fuck

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>>2031889
Couldn't be more wrong

No. 2031900

>>2031898
these are sexy wrinkles, it's different + not a moid

No. 2031904

>>2031870
someone edited Arthur from Red Dead 2 to be a cute twink and the butthurt was legendary

No. 2031917

>>2031884
A sign of female autism is being unable to deal with things you don't like.

No. 2031929

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>>2031870
Of course they had to choose the one where he looks the most uncanny valley. As if they are no better ones where he doesn't have wrinkles but still looks normal. I hope they make more no winkles mods for Astarion so they can keep seething over people doing whatever they fuck they want to do with their game.

No. 2031936

>>2031870
Before
>faggy music+drama teacher who works nights at the jazz club. will never launch his band. drinks coffee and abuses stimulants. has students who like him despite his raggedness.
After
>obese jock mouthbreather who sits behind you in school and huffs down your neck the entire class. is slowly collapsing under his own weight like a red giant star. peaked in high school. unrecognizable by the first class reunion.
>>2031929
Not an Astarionfag but lower right and upper left are very cute considering the character they had to work with. Pity they don't keep his curls.

No. 2031942

>>2031929
>bottom right
damn. if they had consulted actual women and made him look like that in game I would have understood the delusional simping.

No. 2031958

>>2031936
>>2031942
>bottom right
really? I don't like any of them (or the character in general) but that one just makes him look like one of the (imo) blandly ugly male face defaults. Ah well, each to their own.

even though Astarion looks haggard, I can still squint and see what others are into about him. Gortash though, I just cannot see the appeal in (it's not like he even has a particularly fun presence in the game, like idk Raphael's performance, he's just some dumb wanker… is just being a villain enough?), yet I see so much thirsting for that hairy cretin kek

No. 2031964

>>2031958
>that one just makes him look like one of the (imo) blandly ugly male face defaults
It gives him a face that knows about text messaging.

No. 2031972

>>2031929
top right is the cutest

No. 2031983

>>2031929
It's hilarious so many think he's ugly that six different people made their own mods to fix him.

No. 2032102

>>2031929
top middle for me.

No. 2032108

>>2031958
If I can't tell why people like a character I just figure it's a matter of personality and gap moe.

No. 2032121

>>2031929
>>2031870
>I know I already bitched about them doing it to Halsin
I think it's so funny how these types have all the time to bitch about male characters getting airbrushed in mods (which you can choose to use or not use, by the way), but they won't say a word about it happening to any female characters in any media whatsoever.

No. 2032170

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So this is only partially related to fandom, but it does have a strong correlation. I was watching a film video essay (which I sorta half agreed with), I was this one inconsequential comment(as well as a few TIMs and TIFs) and it reminded me of something. Most people didn't realize how unironically, the vast majority of film study theses (and a good chunk of other subject theses as well) will take some movie that is barely remembered, misinterpret it and create retarded takes. I've seen theses about how Gone Home is actually about racial imperialism, or how Hook is an allegory for the fear of queerness around of children and there are thousands of theses like this, and the vast majority of them get approved. When you see a moronic breadtube pulling some bogus source, this is what they're referencing 99% of the time

No. 2032242

>>2031870
>>2031884
i don't hate hot older characters. i hate astarion for being shilled as sexy when he looks like an old oil tycoon's mother.

No. 2032261

I deleted my Tumblr and Twitter because of gendies and callouts, so I ended up looking on the Reddit sub for a new game I got into. It's predictably moid-infested (SFW but cheesecake fanart is posted often), but I noticed that during actual character/story discussions I see people talking about trans headcanons getting downvoted to the negatives for once. It was a sight for sore eyes. Are female-dominated spaces really that broken now? I don't want to be friends with moids but I honestly might stick to mixed-sex spaces and befriend the women in those.

No. 2032276

>watch anime filled with sexual innuendo, some even super blatant
>fans vehemently deny anything sexual, call you a creep and a pedo for pointing it out
still one of the weirdest fandom phenomen, does everything go over their heads? do they play oblivious on purpose? do they think that if you notice something sexual happening it must be that your brain is rotted?

No. 2032288

>>2032276
i'm dead convinced that most fandoms only look at fanart or read fanfiction full of headcanons divorced from the actual show than watch the actual source material.

No. 2032291

>>2032288
considering the fact the newer generation has no attention span to watch a 25 min episode you might be onto something

No. 2032297

>>2032291
nah new animes are just boring. i have no problem rewatching all episodes of death note, but watching just one episode of frieren makes me fall asleep.

No. 2032310

>>2032261
It really is a female fandom thing, it fucking sucks. But even in mixed fandom spaces, when you do find other women, they almost always bitch about the men being too transphobic, and they clearly assume you're going to agree with them because you're a woman.

No. 2032364

>>2031936
KEK NONA ILU

No. 2032375

>>2031929
since other nonnas are doing it–for me the two on the left are the best, with honourable mention to top right.

No. 2032380

>>2031870
>>2031929
wtf asstarion can actually be hot and not look like a 70yo groomer?

No. 2032382

>>2032297
Same. New anime is just so.. empty. It feel soul less compared to what I used to watch in 2006-2015

No. 2032384

>>2031870
>charming wrinkles
No hope for younger women, huh.

No. 2032390

>>2032276
That's just because twatter is on a constant virtue signaling purity race to see who consumes the most artsy non-lewd animu so they can go around gloating about being less coomer than thou on the peseants who watch anime with fanservice, all despite the fact that practically all anime are made by degenerates anyways.
You will have people swearing to you on their mother's grave that Chainsawman or Dragon Maid aren't coomer at all, despite Makima being Fujimoto's personal fetish mistress since he was in highschool or there being a loli with melon-sized breasts, I'm also convinced Lucoa is literally invisible to them.
Whoever made the wish to the monkey's paw to make anime more mainstream should be detained, I guarantee these people didn't watch anime at all before the late 2010's.

No. 2032395

>>2032276
zoomers with dragon maid. I remember when they used to get angry at anyone lewding Kanna, when she's obvious lolibait.

No. 2032397

>>2032390
I'm convinced zoomers dont even watch anime. They watch youtube or tik tok reviews of anime and based their smooth brain opinion on that.

No. 2032399

>>2032397
they watch anime but while playing surway surfer or chatting on discord with their friends.

No. 2032414

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>>2032382
I don't think so, there's a lot of fairly recent stuff that's great if you get out of the trending bubble.
There's three shows ongoing now that Im watching that are both fun and nonfanservicey.

No. 2032416

>>2032414
sorry to be that person, but digital art is so soulles. Older anime backgrounds mogged these digitally made ones.

No. 2032418

>>2032416
I'm not surprised.

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>>2032416
Agreed. I miss the hand-drawn painted backgrounds, everything is too sharp and clean now and it’s just not as comfy

No. 2032462

>>2032414
>There's three shows ongoing now that Im watching that are both fun and nonfanservicey.
Which ones nonna? Also those bgs are very pretty, where are they from?

No. 2032947

Am I the only one who has had it with fandom spaces bitching about diversity and representation? And yes it’s a very specific subset of people who ruin it for everyone else

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>>2032416
AGREED. I like how people strive to emulate the Studio Ghibli style but in digital form. Like dude you can download Ghibli-style tree brushes all you like but you'll never replicate the natural, organic quality of them.

No. 2033020

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It makes me laugh when western weebs try to convince eachother that obvious fetish female characters are good ''strong female representation''. I don't know if they genuinely believe it or of they are just coping to justify liking a medium thats 99% boob fanservice. I have seen retards try to claim the gunsmith cats girls and revy are strong female representation!11!.
How do you reach this level of brainrot where you are incapable of discerning between a real female character thats meant to be cool and strong, and obvious waifubait made because the author likes drawing hot women?. Also, dont get me wrong, i Love Revy and Rally, but they are clearly coom bait and not meant to be genuine strong female characters. Its like when people ask me why i draw guys with guns instead of girls with guns. I am a straight woman, i just like cute guys.

No. 2033027

>>2033020
I don't think they're necessarily mutually exclusive. saying a woman can't be strong because she is sexy (and therefore caters to the male gaze) is similar to when scrotes say women can't be smart or independent or have genuine hobbies/interests if they care about their own appearance and put effort on it.

No. 2033030

>>2033027
that wasnt even my point.

No. 2033032

>>2033020
I wouldn't say Revy is waifubait, coombait though, yeah.

No. 2033033

>>2033027
samefag but to add to my argument, separating female characters between sexualized and virginal is just madonna-whore complex rebranded.
>>2033030
what was your point then? media for scroteshits still can have characters that are strong even if they're poorly written most of the time and whored for the audience.

No. 2033036

>>2033032
Revy is waifubait for scrotes that like getting dominated.

No. 2033042

>>2033033
calling waifubait for men ''strong female representation'' is just bleak and shows you have 0 understanding of how men work.

No. 2033050

>>2033036
I figured she was too "damaged" for that sort of thing.

No. 2033064

>>2033042
I didn't say they were "strong female representation" but the term is so overused you might as well call anyone who is female and not designed for the male gaze strong female representation.

No. 2033069

It is true that there's a difference between a character being "strong" and a character being "strong representation", but how exactly would you seperate the two?

No. 2033071

>>2033064
You wouldnt call yaoi boys good gay male representation, so i dont understand why men with mommy dommy fetishes get praised for basically indulging in their femme fatale fetish.

No. 2033078

>>2033069
a well written character is not necessarily good representation. I don't know what the fuck is the problem with fandoms nowadays but everyone wants to identify themselves in the characters. I just want to see interesting and well written characters. a lot of villains are irredeemable people but are interesting, well written and entertaining. zoomers are ruining media with the incessant need for representation. I don't mean this for people who are like "uwu I want see more black/asian characters!!" but for people who think every single anime slop character should be deeply analyzed through a social justice lens. sometimes dumb shit don't need explanation to exist. let garbage be garbage.

No. 2033081

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>>2033069
its not hard. If its made by a woman then its strong female representation, like Riza. If its made by a man, its just a strong mommy dommy character. I find it funny zoomers will cry and cancel any woman who dares to draw yaoi because ''its fetishizing gay moids!!1!'' but will look the other way when a man, like the chainsaw man author, explicitly shouts his dominatrix fetish and still praise his dom mommy characters as ''strong female representation''. For example, you will never see riza get a figure like this.

No. 2033083

>>2033071
that's because men get better written characters in mainstream anime/vidya and female characters are whored for the audience first and whatever traits they have are secondary, hope that helps.

No. 2033084

>>2032462
NTA but the backgrounds are from an anime called Sonny Boy. Probably my top anime in the past 5 years.

No. 2033086

>>2033081
I think it's pretty obvious to anyone that revy is a coombait but you can still appreciate her if you like her archetype. it's not impossible to like a character while realizing its' origins are trash and you're not the audience for it.

No. 2033088

>>2033081
Only because she's pokemon, tbf. Bunny figurines are probably the most common "let's sell out" alongside gacha collabs and the original creators arent usually involved as tar as I know. If the companies can get away with it, they will.
It's the same with the most random definitely not husbando bait male characters getting perfume.

No. 2033095

>>2033027
>a woman can be strong because she is sexy and while catering to the male gaze guise!!!
Take your libfem ass back to xitter whence you came from.

No. 2033096

>>2033088
Samefag, but writing this reminded me of that recent deal where a live action adaption changed so much, apparently without the author's consent, that the author straight up committed suicide.

No. 2033099

>>2033095
I guess every woman you know that has a scrote can't be strong because they submit to men, right?

No. 2033101

>>2033099
Learn to separate reality from fiction and come back to this conversation.

No. 2033103

>>2033096
Which anime?

No. 2033104

>>2033101
you're the one who has a hard time separating fiction from reality if you think a character can't be taken seriously if it's sexualized. it's a character, it didn't choose to do it, you can stop hating it.

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>>2033103
Sexy Tanaka-san.

No. 2033111

>>2033086
thats exactly my point though, i even said i liked revy in my original post. But she isnt strong female representation she's a walking fetish.

No. 2033113

>>2033111
I think that's a bit harsh, she wasn't rep or anything like that, but I wouldnt say she was just a fetish.

No. 2033114

>>2033088
revy has always been waifubait, she wears extremely short shorts

No. 2033117

>>2033111
she isn't strong female representation because she is not supposed to represent a real woman, she is supposed to represent the idealized view of woman through a moid's pov, same can't be said about riza like another anon pointed out, because she was written by a woman. but to say revy is just coombait is a bit reductive because she does have an interesting story, personality, etc.

No. 2033118

>>2033115
that's my fucking point, a moid did it, you can stop hating the character or the people who like the character for the not sexualized parts of it. some of you will hate women for breathing but don't care about what moids do.

No. 2033119

>>2033114
And? I said the people that make bunny figurines don't care at all if the character is waifubait or not.
They make whatever character they can sell as a bunny figurine, good female rep or waifubait.

No. 2033124

>>2033119
I don't care if moids keep doing it, but I want to see bunny figures of beloved male characters too. imagine the scrote seethe if there was a solid snake bunny figure. males should be more sexualized, it's impossible to get rid of the male gaze, so let's create our own female gaze.

No. 2033126

>>2033117
just because she is well written it doesnt mean she cant also be coombait.
>>2033118
nta but you are the exact same twittertards i was complaining about in my original post. Literally incapable of liking something without politicizing it first.

No. 2033127

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>>2033104
>if you think a character can't be taken seriously if it's sexualized
I do think that. I will never respect fictional characters created entiriely so a man can jack off when he looks at her. Meanwhile men are throwing shitfits when their precious video game male MCs look a bit too attractive or by the gods, sexually attractive, because they can't "take them seriously" otherwise. A woman exualizing herself for the male gaze be it fictional or real will never be "taken seriously" and you know it.

No. 2033131

>>2033127
there is nuance between a character written solely for porn and a character that has fanservice but a compelling story. it's not black or white.

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>>2033124
I can definitely agree on that.

No. 2033134

>>2033126
being unable to enjoy a character unless she is written the exact way you want is policizing it you fucking retard

No. 2033137

>>2033127
>A woman exualizing herself for the male gaze be it fictional or real will never be "taken seriously" and you know it
so you don't separate reality from fiction, glad we agree on that. also lol'd at you being such a big feminist then saying women who are sexualized shouldn't be taken seriously ever.

No. 2033139

>>2033134
i literally said i liked revy several times. I am just not a delusional nutjob so i understand who she was written for. If a woman didnt like revy because she finds her too sexualized i would get it. Meanwhile you and the twitterfags would cry muh sexism for a woman not daring to like a coomer character made with one hand by a moid.

No. 2033142

>>2033137
nta but why do you keep talking about real women? anon is clearly talking about female characters drawn by men.

No. 2033144

>>2033139
I literally never said it was sexist to not like a character because it was sexualized. but it's retarded to assume every sexualized character is solely coombait because there are good written characters out there being whored for the audience.
>you and twitterfags
I dont even have a twitter account kekk

No. 2033145

>>2033137
Degrade yourself for moids all you like, just don't pretend it empowers you in any way.

No. 2033146

>>2033144
>there are good written characters out there being whored for the audience.
Any other examples of such characters?

No. 2033148

>>2033142
she literally said a woman catering to the male gaze fictional or REAL won't be taken seriously. you know who thinks that? men. men don't respect women who whore themselves, thats madonna whore complex 101, am I supposed to be ok with men not respecting women even if they do something I find personally morally reprehensible for myself?

No. 2033150

>>2033139
Nta but "She's a walking fetish, nothing but coombait, waifubait, made by a moid with dick in hand" and "I like her as a character tho" seem like they come very opposing views.

No. 2033152

>>2033146
literally use google I'm not your maid and you're new to the media if you don't know examples of your own

No. 2033155

>>2033152
Kek my nonnie you're the one making this argument and you can't even bring the evidence back it up? Sad.

No. 2033159

>>2033155
literally every so called deep anime has female characters with interesting backstory but at some point get fanservice for the male audience, I'm not going to point out examples because you will nitpick them and I have no time for it. use your thinking cap or stop being a newfag retard zoomer.

No. 2033163

>>2033150
i like Aoba too even though he's a whore.

No. 2033165

>>2033159
>I'm not going to point out examples because you will nitpick them and I have no time for it.
So you're aware your argument doesn't stand on two legs and have already given up. Godspeed nonnie get some sleep.

No. 2033167

>>2033165
godspeed you fucking retard go play genshin impact or some other chinese slop and pretend what I'm saying is not a real issue because you haven't watched any anime outside the garbage your fandom has pidgeonholed you.

No. 2033169

>>2033163
Eroge and BLge might be the only media where characters made for cooming might actually have stories and personalities sometimes, huh. Not Aoba though he's just a whore (that I also like).

No. 2033172

All of you are proving my point. You are incapable of discerning a real woman from a female caricature written and drawn by moids for moids, and thus end up defending a scrote's fetish as genuine strong female representation.

No. 2033175

>>2033169
I don't think you understand the line between coom media and "normal" media is way blurrier for moids. if an anime exists for them, they will add fanservice for the sake of it. stuff advertised to teens (shounen jump type of slop) will have fanservice on it.

No. 2033177

>>2033163
Calling men whores is different, it's one of his charm points.

No. 2033181

>>2033169
>>2033177
i am true feminist i think both men and women can be whores. Both revy and aoba are whores and i like them equally.

No. 2033182

>>2033172
your point was never up to debate to begin with, you already came here with a pre assigned opinion and no willingness to change. you call others twitterfags but that's the default twitterfag stance. just sad.

No. 2033184

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>>2033181
That's it. World peace achieved

No. 2033190

>>2033182
i genuinely have no idea whats your issue with my opinion. Is it because i called a spade a spade instead of deluding myself into believing revy is somehow good female representation? she's a fetish, learn to accept it. That doesnt mean she's a bad character.

No. 2033193

Whoever decide to us "strong female characters" to actually mean "well written characters" need to be forced back to school for one more decade. Words have meanings, I'm sick of illiterate tards saying that actual strong, fun female characters are bad representation (yet another separate notion) for women and then listing female characters who are not strong mentally or physically instead. Once on tumblr I saw someone saying Tohru Honda is a strong female character which… kek I don't even know where to start. The idealized doormat who forgives and talks no jutsu an attempted murderer on behalf of the victims while the actual victims don't forgive said abuser in the next scene is sooo strong but don't you dare recommend female characters from an action series that has tons of action scenes! Anyway, start using the correct words to describe characters and maybe there wouldn't be misunderstandings.

No. 2033194

>>2033146
Nta and don't take this an an example because I won't say her name because spoilers, but something I've read had a female character die. While she would 100% be categorized as "boobie waifubait" when it came to visuals I was surprised at how most comments were respectful, practically obituaries about her personality and her life. How she was both bold and arrogant, how she was cherished and blessed in her life both inverse and out and how even in death, she went with utmost grace and dignity.
Ngl it was pretty nice, I liked her too.

No. 2033197

>>2033190
you have brainrot and think the only "valid" type of female characters are the one who you can see yourself on because they're not being whored for scrotes. I just try to appreciate characters for what they are and ignore any sexualization if the character is worth it. we're built different and you will keep clutching pearls while I'm still able to enjoy media not made for me while still recognising its' flaws. you're the epitome of a twitterfag, won't take anything but "representation", will politicize any character and won't accept people might see media differently.

No. 2033209

>>2033193
To be fair "strong" is both a literate (physically powerful) and a figurative notion (psychologically resilient; or when it comes to characters in a story also: well written; complex) so this was bound to happen when people are already discussing with ambiguous terms.

No. 2033210

>>2033197
god, i wish i was a scrote. i wouldnt even have to try, i would draw some big booby waifu and then make her 'strong' and i would get hoardes of women defending my coom creation. Its funny because i even agree with you, i just dont delude myself into thinking the moids who created said characters are actually doing me a favour. They see us as trash.

No. 2033211

>>2033193
same people who seethe women might like a booba type of character won't see any issues with how relationships are portrayed in shoujo and thinks the mcs are strong females kek the hypocrisy is palpable.

No. 2033216

>>2033211
so? its pretty well-known shoujo mcs are mostly trash

No. 2033217

Do you think the moids who create such characters see them as strong female representation? kek.

No. 2033223

>>2033217
These characters tend to have female fans so I assume the authors do see them as such after seeing fans' reactions and fan polls? Who knows.

No. 2033224

>>2033210
I know they see us as a trash and thats why you won't catch me buying merch of it. but you'd be lying to yourself if you never got entertained by an anime that ticks not feminist boxes because otherwise you wouldn't be watching anime anymore. we already have slim pickings because most things are not for us and the few things that are for us have to respect moids' sensitivities so I won't judge women for liking anything. I will always judge moids but women are allowed to like garbage if they want.

No. 2033225

>>2033223
do you seriously believe that or are you just coping?

No. 2033229

>>2033211
Soon we're gonna have idiots saying Hachi is a strong female character because she's written in a realistic way, except the truth is that she's a realistic portrayal of a total low IQ loser, which means she's NOT strong. Not here but online in general.

No. 2033230

>>2033225
I see you've never gone to a con or something. there are a lot of women who unironically think characters from shounen jump slop are supposed to represent them. it's just sad to me.

No. 2033232

>>2033224
>but you'd be lying to yourself if you never got entertained by an anime that ticks not feminist boxes because otherwise you wouldn't be watching anime anymore.
did you even read my original post? i said i like that type of characters, i just dont see them as good female rep at all.

No. 2033235

>>2033225
I believe it. I'm not saying that's the correct opinion though. There are people out there sperging over racial or female representation all over the internet and yet they write the most stereotypical and even offensive shit ever. I remember John Green on tumblr doing this but his books didn't seem all that amazing.

No. 2033236

>>2033232
most women in anime are not good female rep even if said anime are written by/for women. japanese women in general re just expected to be doormats. actual good feminist rep is very rare.

No. 2033238

>>2033235
i seriously doubt japanese men of all people care about strong female representation. They have always been unapolagetically coomerish.

No. 2033239

>>2033236
so this whole dumb debate was for nothing because we both agree on the same thing

No. 2033242

>>2033238
they care about female representation in the sense they want to sell a manga to a wider audience. thats why you have stuff like that abomination with female characters only on shounen jump. nips have realized selling mangas only to teenaged boys is not gonna cut anymore but they also dont want to write actually good characters.

No. 2033244

>>2033239
pretty much kekk

No. 2033246

>>2033242
i dont think men draw female characters because they want female readers, on the contrary. If they wanted female readers they would draw cute boys.

No. 2033248

>>2033246
have men actually ever listened to what women actually want? they will concoct theories in their head about what we want but asking the female audience what we actually want is the last thing they will do.

No. 2033250

>>2033248
men would rather kill themselves than draw cute boys. They already know stuff with cute male characters becomes popular with women.

No. 2033252

I do think it's possible to have a character be sexual but written to be completely unpopular with men. Not all sexualized characters are waifubait, some work as rage bait, sort of deal.

No. 2033253

>>2033246
It really depends imo.

No. 2033255

>>2033250
>>2033248
>>2033246
… isnt that just spokon?

No. 2033258

>>2033252
some of you will bend over to defend men at all cost

No. 2033262

>>2033258
How is saying "some female characters are ragebait" a defense?
If anything, wouldn't that be worse?

No. 2033264

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>>2033246
This 100%. Especially since we are talking about Japan. Most Japanese female otakus care more about male characters than female ones. This is why Otome Road is 99% stuff about male characters.

No. 2033268

>>2033262
if she's sexualized then she's coombait. I dont know how that's a hard concept to understand. Men draw the tits first then they slap a personality.

No. 2033270

>>2033264
some series have caught on how to get the fujos hooked with no effort on their side. basically the moids are figuring out how to milk money from fujos and manchildren at the same time for the same character. like that gojo character got everyone on all sides hooked, some women went insane for him.

No. 2033273

>>2033264
This. The female characters = female readers feels like a western thing mostly. Sure, most stuff for very little girls like mahou shoujo follows that formula, but after puberty most women are interested in hot men. Its why women gravitate towards spokon while scrotes gravitate towards cgdct/idolshit.

No. 2033276

>>2033270
For some reason I recalled Megan The Stallion cosplaying Gojo as soon as I read your post.

No. 2033277

>>2033268
There's plenty of cases where men don't draw a character until way after.
Some add sexualization to the official release after they see reactions.

No. 2033278

>>2033270
This is the real threat to women imo, not moidslop being chock full of mommy dommy/submissive waif/big tit airhead female characters but moidslop figuring out how to milk the starved and thus considerably wealthy fujo- and yumejoshi machine by making one or two 1 note personality vacuum male characters into bishounen.

After things made genuinely for women like Yuri on Ice get cancelled because studios sell out to the shounen machine I find this actually incredibly offensive as a fan.

No. 2033285

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>>2032382
Eh, I think a lot of people just have rose colored glasses. Anime has always been majority garbage with some stand out greats here and there.
The 2000s haremshit is modern day isekaishit, and shounenshit has always and always will be hot garbage.

No. 2033287

>>2033277
care to give some examples? because men arent deep creatures, they draw booba with the intent of cooming

No. 2033288

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>>2033277
Speaking of, that mahjong manga where the female character's breasts expanded like mad.
Forgot to spoiler pic, I'm sorry.

No. 2033289

>>2033288
Ritz is female…

No. 2033290

>>2033278
this is very true, fujos and yumes are basically starving so any handsome male in anime is ripe for picking and they've now realized it how to milk it. I blame jojo for making them aware of the female audiences on shounen slop.

No. 2033291

>>2033277
>be male mangaka
>be attracted to mommy dommes, add mommy dommes to your manga
>as part of developing the supporting cast give a character a toddler-age little sister, don't sexualize her because that's not what you're attracted to
>release manga
>otaku start thirsting for the little sister
>start sexualizing the little sister to appeal to them
Not the win you think it is.

No. 2033292

>>2033289
nta but it says N/A in gender on manga updates

No. 2033297

>>2033290
In a way the mainstream moid-run animanga machine finally acknowledging that female fans fixating on one or two male characters have been supporting moidslop shounen and seinen for years (see Gundam before they added the mechs being kept afloat entirely by female fans) is welcome but on the other hand, if shounen starts milking all the female fans with barely anything the way they're already doing the future for actual women-catered media looks bleak.

No. 2033300

>>2033297
I would have no issue if they actually sexualized the fuck out of these characters. but they will always cater to moid sensitivities first. there won't be actually media for the female gaze.

No. 2033301

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So, has anybody given these a try?

No. 2033302

>>2033297
anime for women is basically already dead outside of maybe like 1 shoujo anime per season

No. 2033303

>>2033285
Though we're probably never going to get something like this again and that's a bit disappointing.

No. 2033305

>>2033301
these look insanely boring

No. 2033310

>>2033301
I think I've finally gotten too old for jumpshit so no

No. 2033312

>>2033301
Akanebanashi looks interesting, I love rakugo. Left looks like MHA's artstyle and right looks like some shoujo and I'm not interested in both. Middle at least has a cute boy, and sorry but cute boys are essential in any female-catered manga even if it's got a well-written female protagonist.

No. 2033314

>>2033305
>>2033310
It's safer to just shill stuff for moids and add a hot guy for a good score.

No. 2033317

>>2033314
or read non shonenshit, go read ryoko or something

No. 2033318

>>2032276
What anime?

No. 2033320

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>>2033312
Yeah, the male characters are pretty good, nice variety.

No. 2033323

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>>2033320
I also like the coffin teeth.

No. 2033331

>>2033323
nice art, gave me flashbacks to a Nnoitra husbandofag from a million years ago though kek

No. 2033333

I think fandom should just if it is or isn't activism. I wish we at least had some nuance on this topic. It's either reading toddler rape hentai is okay and definitely won't affect you at all, or not being mad about x thing in social politics in fandom/liking this character makes you a member of the KKK and you need to neck yourself asap. Insert antishittery and proshittery too. It's getting old at this point and makes me wonder where the pendulum will swing to next.

No. 2033337

>>2033333
I just wish it was easier to find your ideal circle like it was in the 00s- early 10s. Nowadays it feels impossible to find anyone whos even anti trannyshit, let alone ones who share your same stances in fandom.

No. 2033367

>>2033333
This bullshit came about as a kneejerk reaction to moids taking over MLP to an extent that you couldn't interact with the fandom without being bombarded by porn. Teen girls saw that they couldn't do shit to make moids fuck off so they took their anger out on other women. They pretend they're moral crusaders caping for the terminally oppressed but really they're just crybullies who desperately need some sense of control over their lives. They have every mental and physical illness in the DSM and they're troons and also their DID headmates are all poly so you can't say anything to them or you're evil.
Because of how retarded, volatile and authoritarian they are, they piss off everyone they interact with. They get cancelled by their fellow cows, do callouts for whoever cancelled them, and on it goes. It seems to have gotten to a point where everyone's pissed off at them and their hysterical black and white thinking, so it's now acceptable to block or bully them back. Hard to tell if this is going to make much of a difference but it has pushed the most retarded ones out of the spotlight, and whenever someone with a 'problematic' past surfaces, they're more likely to get shit for their past actions, so they also tend to lie low or change their usernames.
I don't think things will go back to how they used to be until it's normal to have a completely anonymous online presence again. No selfies, no identifying information, nothing. Maybe when Tiktok dies and there's less incentive for kids to put their lives online 24/7 they'll calm down.

No. 2033368

>>2033333
There's been a global trend towards media censorship recently, it doesn't affect only fandom. Must be something in the collective consciousness, maybe in the last 10 years animanga (which is highly sexual because of reasons linked to japanese culture) becoming globalised and early internet access traumatizing children with internet pornography who have now become messed up adults (though they won't admit it; see tranny social contagion), there is a pushback towards sexual and deviant sexual representations in fiction. I'm just speculating, would love to hear other nona's thoughts too. As for the pendulum, it's going to swing like it always has - an era marked by puritan/catholic/you name it media censorship followed by an era marked by media libertinage and open sexual deviancy.

No. 2033369

>>2033337
The enshittification of the Internet also ruined fandom. Tumblr was a mistake, twitter was an even bigger mistake, centralized algorithm-based social media is a plague and we should bring back forums and communities. The closest thing we have right now is discord servers, but they still do not hit the same.

No. 2033374

>>2033368
It's not just animanga, nearly all mainstream western movies and shows these days have gratuitous sex scenes or fetish bait and people are getting rightfully fed up.

No. 2033388

>>2033374
its probably because more and more people are pornsick nowadays.

No. 2033390

>>2033374
That just goes to show that we're at the tail end of an era of sexual liberation and free, available and extreme sexual content in our media. I mean just as an example aren't women being pushed into extreme forms of sexualization what with the normalization of doing onlyfans while also losing their reproductive rights worldwide? Sexual content around is reaching extremes which is why the reaction (demands for less sexual content as well as censorship) is equally extreme. That's why sexual liberation and sexual repression is a pendulum, many such cases in history.

No. 2033391

>>2033333
>I think fandom should just if it is or isn't activism.
I see completely forgot the word decide
>>2033367
>their hysterical black and white thinking, so it's now acceptable to block or bully them back.
I feel like people are getting there, it's generally acceptable to do so but it's not yet acceptable to say in female fandom spaces something along the lines of "you're insane and I do not care about your moralfagging because this this and that isn't about real world politics for me. Go talk to a wall".

No. 2033401

>>2033084
The soundtrack is so nice, I still listen to it.

No. 2033406

>>2033369
I agree. Things really need to be kept separate, otherwise everything turns into a big flavorless goulash. And nobody sticks around, grinding away for years at a thing. They hop onto the next big thing, because they'll get forgotten and buried if they don't.

No. 2033409

>>2033391
Kek I think we're getting there. The retardation has gone so far that even the ones perpetuating this shit are getting fed up with it. I think that what's really driving this shift is a mixture of everyone getting sick of the oppression olympics and an ageing userbase. Teens are taught to believe anything they see if it comes from a popular account. They then grow into adults who suddenly realize that they have no actual skills, the unskilled jobs they write fanfic about actually suck, and they have the social skills of a paranoid chihuahua. They don't have time to send death threats to other SU fans with incorrect opinions, and seeing someone sob about how they're oppressed for not seeing enough fat BIPOC rep in Disney is kinda grating when you're struggling to keep yourself afloat. That's not to say that there aren't retarded adults, but most of them are the '25 year old minor, ickies DNI' variety.
Because of how impossible it is to scrub yourself from the internet I think there's going to be a big shift towards letting kids make mistakes and not hounding people over their pasts. Hopefully it becomes the norm to not put your personal information online again, but there are too many attention whores for that to happen any time soon.

No. 2033415

>>2033368
i have never seen an antiport ''anti'' they are normally coombrained themselves.

No. 2033417

>>2033374
sex sells and people (mainly men) are more pornsick than ever. I know several moids that won't even touch media that doesn't sexualize women in some way.

No. 2033484

>>2033312
>cute boys are essential in any female-catered manga
Tbh I wished there were mangas aimed at women with zero male protagonists.

No. 2033508

I think Astarion is sexy and I think men with wrinkles are hot.

No. 2033537

>>2032947
I hate it too. Just enjoy the goddamn IP or find another one. Don't pollute the fandom landscape with your DEI retardation

No. 2033574

>>2033508
Nonnie you must have lost your way to the unpopular opinions thread

No. 2033575

>>2033508
pisses me off whenever I see his smug dumb face

No. 2033580

>>2033508
I clown on Astarion a bunch but his face is among the least offensive parts of him. Partially agree with you though, some fictional dudes look really cute when they've got a few wrinkles and like they haven't slept in three weeks.

No. 2033583

>>2033574
but is that really that unpopular of a opinion? maybe it is here but women outside of lolcow seem to love him

No. 2033589

>>2033583
normie women are psyoped

No. 2033591

>>2033484
what about mahou shojo? there is plenty of that

No. 2033642

>>2033591
magical girls is a genre for moids now, thank the shitty lolibait madoka show for that

No. 2033703

>>2033591
Too childish for me, I want something more adult.

No. 2033704

>>2032947
I belong to several "minorities" and the diversity obsession is retarded. Diversity in cartoons or YA novels is not the be-all of activism. It's not activism at all. I don't care about how some movie has a mixed raced queer disabled character when it's still legal to fire or refuse employment someone like that for arbitrary reasons.

No. 2033714

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>>2033642
You can thank lolicon otaku in the 80s and loli otaku animators who latched onto little girls like Minky Momo and had them as their waifus. It's far from a current thing.
If you think of at least one mahou shoujo anime made after Minky Momo that you like, it's guaranteed the production team of the show catered to the moid otakus who watched them and loved/lusted over their heroines, at some point.
Mahou shoujo is for little girls first but for otaku moids second, kind of like how MLP ended up but not nearly as blatant about it.

IMO this is why joseimuke is becoming more and more popular in female otaku spaces. Shoujo has been unpopular for decades and mahou shoujo is a moid playground unless the series is 10+ years old (like older precure seasons, sailor moon, etc; doremi fsr has been appropriated by moids).
The closest thing I saw to a mahou shoujo female fandom in current years was when Love Live was popular with women.

No. 2033716

>>2033642
>>2033703
>its too digital
>they look boring
>actually I'm not into shounen
>the genre is too moidy
>It's for children
I doubt any suggestion will be good enough.

No. 2033722

There's gonna be a Hanakimi anime adaptation soon, pray that there won't be stupid gender discourse while it's airing.

No. 2033726

>>2033722
almost no one will watch it so you should be good anon

No. 2033727

>>2033714
joseimukes are getting more popular bc both fujos and the self inserters like it

No. 2033730

>>2033726
I don't know if I should be happy about it or not at that point.

No. 2033731

>>2033415
Antishippers are more concerned about AO3 and shipping a 17 year old with a 19 year old than actual porn. I've known antis whose only issue with Pornhub is "it steals from sexworkers" and think being a porn star is a valid job.

No. 2033735

>>2033731
Puriteens who screech and mald over underage anime people kissing and fucking and then proudly support IRL "sex werk" "the oldest profession" "IRL porn is empowering to women" will never fail to baffle me. Where are we that we are defending the human rights of pixels instead of the real women being drugged and abused by the porn and sex industry.

No. 2033741

>>2033716
I'm open to all kind of suggestions but there's surely more options than stuff aimed at moids or grade schoolers.

No. 2033792

i'm so sick of female fandom obsession with purity and holding the same views as everyone else. no you can't husbando this "obviously underage" fictional character or you deserve jail, no you can't ship this or you deserve jail, no you can't say you hate trannies and gender shit or you deserve jail, no you can't say that you find hijabs and religion retarded or you deserve jail, no you can't criticize the oversexualization of women or you deserve jail, no you can't have your own opinions unless everyone else agrees with it or you'll get treated as the outcast. it's so fucking tiring meanwhile moids can say the most deranged crazy shit to each other and their friends will just laugh or ignore it. i understand why some pick mes say they prefer interacting with moids, because they don't feel overwhelmed all the time about keeping a certain image

No. 2033800

>>2033735
it's simple puriteens don't actually care that one contradicts the other, they just need to regurgitate popular opinions in order to get validation from their female peers. they don't care about morals, they just want to look good or feel pressured to do so, even if that means hiding their real interests. you'll notice how many of them are very very quick to switch sides once another formerly unpopular take on a topic becomes popular.

No. 2033862

>>2033800
The goalposts constantly change with them. If they were consistent about their morals and were critical of IRL porn/BDSM/etc. too I'd have no problem with them, but they always change their opinions. I knew one who screamed over how one anime ship is grooming and bad representation but then will get into Hannigram and have cannibalism kinks.

No. 2033886

>Using “puriteens” unironically

No. 2033888

>>2033714
It's further back then that, mahou shoujo has always had a bunch of scroteshit.

No. 2033894

>>2033886
It just sounds funny, what term would you rather anons use besides "young adults who have weirdly conservative values and buy into purity culture"?

No. 2033903

>>2033894
NTAYRT but it makes you sound like a 30+ she/they fandom mom with a blog full of Reddit-tier monologues about how Bakudeku mpreg is kweer activism

No. 2033904

>>2033894
>implying “purity culture” isn’t a sex-pozzie psyop

No. 2033909

>>2033903
Feeling attacked much? Maybe when you stop being underage it won't trigger you so much.

No. 2033912

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ugh…

No. 2033913

>>2033903
Projection

No. 2033914

>>2033903
>We shouldn't use words because uhh….the bad people use them!
You're stupid.

No. 2033917

It's kinda strange to see how (female) fandom becoming political has the effect that on one hand it's both politically liberal (see Palestine activism fanart) but leans more and more morally conservative (problematic fiction culture) while on the side you have male otaku degenerates who are politically conservative but morally liberal (if not libertine). You'd think it'd be the opposite, conservative fandom moids would be the ones to become antis and harass artists for wrongthink based on religious purity values while LGBTQIA women in fandom would have a more empathetic, tolerant of the other and "don't like don't look" type of attitude.

No. 2033923

>>2033917
it makes sense to me, historically women have been more inclined to keep each other in check, it was mostly women accusing other women of witchcraft back then. meanwhile moids don't tell other moids what to do or try to cancel each other

No. 2033930

>>2033923
I'd garner it's men historically who needed to keep women in check (so they wouldn't have reproductive control and go have sex with other men) and thus created a society which taught women to keep each other in check on their behalf. And we come along into this society and we bear all this historical burden of patriarchy without even realising, even when we have a form of reproductive rights and control for the first time in history. However, I'd say men do keep each other in check in even more violent ways by waging literal war against each other. So why aren't they doing it in fandom?

No. 2033932

>>2033912
KEK why would she admit that openly? What a loser

No. 2033937

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>>2033932
Because she's still a self hating fujoshi, she's also just convinced that she can make us actually normal fujos troon out with her.

No. 2033940

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>>2033937
What is it with TIFs and "converting to Judaism", converts aren't even accepted in their faith

No. 2033941

>>2033923
This, it’s due to gendered social structures and a “principle of empathy” thing, in other words these out of touch women online might in effect be parroting slogans for arbitrary cherrypicked political topics or enforcing some conservative social ideas, but they’re centered around the concept of an “empathetic,” righteousness-for-the-underdog kind of social standpoint, whileas male nerd spaces that applaud fascism, imperialism, or bigotry in the name of might and efficiency also allow coomerism for the same reason of disdaining the general principle of empathy and collective social obligation (even when complaining that others are the “true” degenerates who fail their imagined ideal fascist collective or libertarian faux-survival-of-the-fittest fantasy, this is based off self-serving ideas of strength and masculinity rather than a desire to actually embody or promote empathetic community-oriented behavior, which is also why they are so glaringly different from their imagined/symbolic Chad selves).

No. 2033942

>>2033930
I've seen a lot of fandom fights between moids but usually they aren't related to moral issues, just dumb arguing about shit like meta or powerscaling. mostly it's about who or what is better, who sucks, a lot of genuinely autistic shit etc. they don't care what someone else jacks off to, unless it's something that they find funny enough to mock like feet or being gay but these days even that is considered tame for their standards. they also don't care about sensitive topics

No. 2033944

>>2033940
Special snowflake syndrome? I'm surprised they haven't started mass leaving 'judaism' because of the palestine conflict kek.

No. 2033947

>>2033917
>You'd think it'd be the opposite, conservative fandom moids would be the ones to become antis and harass artists for wrongthink based on religious purity values

This was how it was in the 2000s, but the switch flipped that the "content police" are liberal-leaning and secular instead of right wing religious people.

>>2033940
I have Jewish family and the conversion process takes literal years and has to be overseen by a Rabbi, there's a good reason why more traditional Jewish sects don't trust or accept converts. None of the online converts put in the effort.

>Lou Sullivan quote

KEK. Of course the straight women who infiltrated LGB spaces in the 70s and died from AIDs from cruising is her role model.

>>2033944
There's clout in being an anti-Zionist/pro-Palestine Jew, but I notice some of these TIFs take the "leftist pro-Israel" view too.

No. 2033948

>>2033937
Holy shit, she's getting so close my nonnies. If this is the direction fujo TIFs are going just a little bit more and they'll peak.

No. 2033949

>>2033940
>the fucking "dying like a gay man" quote
Kekkkkkkkkkk

No. 2033951

>>2033944
This TIF calls herself a Zionist though.

No. 2033955

>>2033948
They won't. Being a boring old run of the mill "cishet woman" is TIFs worst nightmare. Even if they wake up to the retardation of gender ideology, their mental illness ensures they'll just latch onto the next trendy identity, whatever it is

No. 2033958

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The schizo anti types on twinbuns page have become my favorite internet people to laugh at as of late, omedetou!

No. 2033959

>>2033958
She's literally just taking the piss out of them at this point

No. 2033961

>>2033942
moids usually fight over shit like which character is the strongest or which waifu should end up with the mc.

No. 2033964

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>>2033917
I think it's cause moids just don't give a fuck and moids also don't give a fuck about other moids in general. Women do it seems. I'm so tired of it though. I do miss the early 2000s and even early tumblr where you could write/draw whatever garbage you wanted and no one really batted an eye as long as it wasn't complete degeneracy like scat or zooshit. I'm under the impression that some women do police other women just to feel morally superior though. I see moids doing it too and then get caught with horse porn in their twitter likes.


>>2033958
>Moid has IQ in bio

lul

No. 2033966

>>2033964
…is there seriously some random man moralfagging about yaoi wtf? Please tell me this is a tif. I'm bewildered rn.

No. 2033968

>>2033966
from my experience, sometimes they are real gay men who just want to be offended by something women do. or just trolls. a lot of gay men are huge trolls and will start fights just for the sake of drama

No. 2033969

>>2033886
Frankly it's strange to have people complaining about how everyone is a judgmental puritan while at the same time complaining about how magical Girls are basically unwatchable because men watched a series that came out 40 years ago.

No. 2033972

>>2033969
there's more than one person who uses the thread nonna

No. 2033973

>>2033972
Not acknowledging each other at all is the weird part, nonna.

No. 2033974

>>2033969
madoka is getting a new movie this year and the precure fandom is filled with moids. theres also this shitty lolibait ecchi magical girls anime now that was very succesful with moids. (not to mention fate prismas popularity with moids) so its not just a "series that came out 40 years ago", its a very up to date issue.

No. 2033976

>>2033973
I can't be bothered to argue with the people trying to incorporate anime into a feminist framework. If they weren't retarded they would have realized anime has never been and will never be feminist a long time ago.

No. 2033977

>>2033974
Yes, moids watch anime. Is mecha and shounen off the table for you too because Char fucked waifubait minors?

No. 2033979

>>2033974
Yet Madoka is one of the two actually good mahou shoujo anime.

No. 2033980

>>2033979
yeah but who cares its still shitty lolibait for pedo moids at the end of the day. not to mention the writer seems to have an lesbian fetish.

No. 2033982

>>2033974
Yes moids… watch anime that's out and they don't really care who it's targeted for.
Is mech off the table for you too because Char wanted to fuck minors and Eva was about minors wanting to fuck adults or do the cute boys make it okay

No. 2033983

>>2033980
>its still shitty lolibait for pedo moids at the end of the day
You can literally say this about every mahou shoujo if you really stretch it.
>not to mention the writer seems to have an lesbian fetish
He likes BL too.

No. 2033984

>>2033977
i've never liked mecha shit and most new shounen shit is awful so i frankly just dont care anymore. but i loved the magical girls genre as a child so seeing what it envolved into is just sad.. what happened to making shit like Wedding and shogu chara?

No. 2033985

>>2033983
Tbf that is what they're saying. All mahou shoujo is bad, even precure.

No. 2033986

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>>2033735
Right? If they were consistent about it I honestly wouldn't give a shit and just assume that they have overbearing christfag parents or something but instead it's kind of the opposite.

No. 2033988

>>2033983
eh many of them were made by women that actually created the mangas for young girls and not moids. like did you ever see an male shugo chara fan? most likely no.

No. 2033990

>>2033984
>but i loved the magical girls genre as a child so seeing what it envolved into is just sad
Been like that since the 70s anon, I don't know where you guys are getting 'MAHOU SHOUJO WASN'T LIKE THIS TILL MADOKA' from.
>>2033985
Well if that's their viewpoint then at least it's consistent I suppose.

No. 2033992

>>2033982
This. Anons here are complete hypocrites when it comes to their morals surrounding female fanservice. They'll rail on madoka while having a shrine dedicated to Gojo, a character from an anime that has an incestbait /ss/bait fanservice pair and all around horrible treatment of female characters. They'll ignore all bad depictions of female characters in it just cause one male character from a shonenshit makes them coom.

No. 2033995

>>2033988
>like did you ever see an male shugo chara fan?
Yeah on /a/ and they waifu Amu, not gonna say they're common but they do exist.

No. 2033997

>>2033982
no also i hate eva, has to be one of the most overrated things i've ever watched, not a single character was likeable in any way.

No. 2034000

>>2033979
I'll be honest I don't get the worship Madoka gets, it was just an okay show to me, one of the reasons being the ugly character designs that prevented me from taking it seriously.

No. 2034002

>>2033992
i was the one who shat on madoka and no i dont have a shrine for gojo and neither do i like modern shounen. i do like some of the older ones though, but i dont do husbando stuff.

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>>2034000
I liked the funky shaft direction and the witch designs, but yeah it's just okay.

No. 2034009

>>2033888
The original Cutie Honey was an ecchi series for men, it didn’t get a shoujo anime incarnation until Cutie Honey Flash in the 90s. This incarnation of Cutie Honey anime was made by and for scrotes, it’s not part of the shoujo anime genre.

No. 2034012

>>2034009
The anon they were replying to brought up Madoka though which is aimed at adults rather than children.
Also saying cutie honey isn't mahou shoujo is pretty stupid since almost everyone classifies it as such, unless you're saying any mahou shoujo that isn't in the shoujo genre doesn't count in which case Madoka wouldn't either.

No. 2034014

>>2033986
That reply is the most foul thing I have ever read. She HAS to be underage to have an opinion that retarded

No. 2034015

>>2033986
Completely unrelated but seeing the retarded ways people censor words on social media is so weird to me. Idc the reason for them doing that, it makes them sound silly.

No. 2034016

>>2033973
Twitterfag take. In every imageboard you ignore the posts you don't care about and go on your merry way replying/fighting with the posts you're actually interested in. Multiple conversations can happen at the same time. Meanwhile on twitter people literally don't know how to not engage with bait/shit they don't care about. I'd suggest you lurk more.

No. 2034017

>>2034000
Because it was revolutionary for its time.

No. 2034019

>>2034016
Okay, I'll just ignore you then.

No. 2034021

>>2033888
Wasn't Cutie Honey made by grand giga coomer Go Nagai? Of course it's gonna be degenerate as fuck, this is the same guy that made Devilman kek.

No. 2034022

>>2034019
Just as holy queen PT intended here in our precious lolcor ♥

No. 2034027

>>2034000
>cute girl characters
>Witches have drastically different/interesting designs
>Cute + edgy

It's not that hard to see why tbh

No. 2034031

>>2034027
Soundtrack isn't half bad either, tbh.

No. 2034037

>>2034000
I don't respect Urobutcher but I liked Madoka for commenting on the fact that young girls are treated as disposable by society and the enormous suffering they carry. Kyuubei is also an interesting allegory to those who prey on teenage girls and throw them away like trash once they're done with them. Whenever I follow Russian ice-skating drama sometimes I remember Madoka. Not hard to see how it could have made an impact with women and teen girls, on top of the cute and non-sexualized designs (except for Mami).

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>>2034021
Devilman was one of his tamer works in comparison (it was shocking for the 70s but mild now), Kekko Kamen was probably among his worst off the top of my head.

No. 2034045

>>2034037
Even for anime girls with big boobs I wouldn't say Mami is terribly sexualized.

No. 2034049

>>2034000
It was more original when it came out. I have a theory it's best to see it at no more than 19 years old (I saw it older and my first though was I would have liked it a lot more when I was younger). Still I think it's a good show and it didn't let me down.

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>>2034045
I agree, compared to the CGDCT shit you see today she's not even that bad. Her design was very iconic and every teen girl was cosplaying her and making fanart of her back then. It says a lot about the show that no "edgy" mahou shoujo show after Madoka has had the same success among female fans.

No. 2034061

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>>2034056
I knew a girl into the mahou shoujo raising project novels, but even then I think that was a really niche group.

No. 2034062

>>2034061
Is it worth reading?

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>>2034061
What's the female appeal of it? Googling it and there isn't much but most of it is already sexualized.

No. 2034065

>>2034037
I honestly appreciated how that even though Mami has huge boobs and the whole her being a representation of a mom thing, we never saw the underwear of the girls, no matter how crazy they moved, that was pretty nice.

No. 2034066

>>2034000
Like the other nonnas said, it left an impression because there was nothing like it at the time and the people who watched it didn't know about all the twists/spoilers that pretty much can't be avoided now even if you haven't watched it. They went in and thought it was yet another magical girl show like precure and got greeted by episode 3 kek. The soundtrack and visuals are also very nice/original.

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>>2034062
Apparently the first arc is considered to be the worst by far and just a generic Madoka ripoff, but the later arcs are supposedly good? I find it kinda hard to believe though.
There's some good character design here and there but also a lot of this type of thing >>2034064

No. 2034072

>>2034009
calling Cutie Honey ecchi is unforgivable. I'm sorry to weeb but Go Nagai is basically an insane genius and Cutie Honey is the original mahou shoujo wether you like it or not.

No. 2034074

>>2034064
It was retarded but entertaining in a trainwreck kind of way. I can see younger weeb teens loving it due to the ott edge and the designs though.

No. 2034075

>>2034072
How is it not ecchi?

No. 2034077

>>2034072
But it is ecchi…?
Also Go Nagai's stuff sucks.

No. 2034079

>>2034072
Bro have you even fucking read it? She hides in a park fountain at one point and gets fucking tongue-fucked by the kid and the old man.

No. 2034080

>>2034074
I feel like the edge era has kinda died off, if you're not a shounenfag you're more likely to be into stuff like bocchi nowadays.

No. 2034085

>>2034080
This is probably part of the reason why I don't really watch new anime kek. Still have a pretty strong edgelord bent.

No. 2034099

>>2034080
isnt bocchi an waifufag show?

No. 2034100

>>2034099
Yeah, waifufag stuff is far more popular with teens than edgy stuff.

No. 2034113

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>>2034061
>>2034067
Honestly, it's pretty fun, but I can say that some of the designs are probably too much for a lot of people here.
It stays edgy but doesnt go too far with it, but it does get away from Madoka into a more murder mystery type deal, it changes from arc to arc, the third being more of a chased time mission, etc.
Pic related are some designs I think are pretty good.

No. 2034137

>>2033301
I’ve read all three
Akane Banashi is alright. I’ve read the least of it, it’s focused on rakugo so either the cultural disconnect will put you off, or you might enjoy learning more about Japanese culture. It has some cute boys but I couldn’t get into it, my sister who reads all of shounen jump really likes it though
Ruri Dragon is the shortest and is a very mellow and comfy SOL. It has some cute interactions with the mom character, I found its portrayal of the teenage girl protagonist charming and non-moidy enough.
Blue Box I read the most of. It has an unambiguously female author, it’s basically just a shoujo romance with a male pov character. It’s good if you want a chill hs romance with a focus on sports, it’s cute and a little silly and the couple gets together in a reasonable amount of time, but it’s also very mellow.

No. 2034138

>>2034072
>Go Nagai is basically an insane genius
You're saying the guy who made shit like >>2034041 and >>2034079 is a genius?

No. 2034153

>>2034099
Wtf is a waifufag show? The characters in bocchi aren't particularly appealing. People like it because bocchi is a shy friendless loser and they relate to her. It's just an SoL.

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>>2034138
He was kinda based for this one

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>>2034158
He fucked up by making Akira ugly once he turns into devilman, I don't like either Ryo or Akira though, both of them suck.

No. 2034172

>>2034153
bocchi is very popular with waifufags dont lie kek

No. 2034188

>waifubait this
>waifubait that
"Waifubait" isn't a character trait nor a genre, every single female character and show with female characters with appealing designs (99% of anime, manga and games) is "waifubait" simply because said female characters will always get at least some male fans. It's a really dumb, empty complaint that doesn't amount to anything on it's own, Sailor Moon is now a "waifubait" show I guess because you will have men argue which character they think is the most attractive.
The Loud House is my favorite waifubait anniemay.

No. 2034191

>>2034188
sailor moon was made by a women for little girls so its something completely different but nice try

No. 2034196

>>2033301
Dropped the middle one when she had to learn from the one Female Master how to talk sexy

No. 2034201

>>2034188
"waifubait" isn't just a female character that male fans will like, it's a female character that was made specifically for the purpose of having male fans cooming to her to sell figurines.

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>>2034196
She doesn't end up talking sexy, the lesson of that arc is that she shouldn't force herself to be sexy when it doesn't fit her character and isn't funny, and thst as she ages and gains experience, her performance will change. At the end, she does such a nonsexual and silly performance that it's funny for the audience.

No. 2034220

>>2034172
Every anime with a group of cute girls is popular with men. What do you even mean by waifufags, 4chan weebs? Yeah she's popular with that type of men because they relate to her.

>>2034201
So you mean something like Kancolle, not something like Bocchi.

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Ngl when I think of whether bocchi is waifubait, I just think of pic related.

No. 2034263

>>2034220
so? its still waifubait, shit like k-on, love live, yuru camp non non biyori and bocchi is all waifubait for men that want teenage waifus. doesnt mean those shows are bad though kek, i love k-on and yuru camp.

No. 2034270

>>2034220
>So you mean something like Kancolle, not something like Bocchi.
It applies to both. You don't seem to have been exposed to enough male otaku to really get it but that's a blessing.

No. 2034271

>>2034263
So you're just referring to SoL. It's a pretty useless term since every single female character from an SoL will be waifubait.

No. 2034276

>>2033741
most older women want to see cute boys. But you could try josei like nana

No. 2034285

>>2034270
Not by their definition. Bocchi wasn't created to sell coom figures/merch. It's literally a manga with no sexualization made by a woman. How is it comparable to Kancolle? Just because otaku latched onto it? Men latch onto everything.

No. 2034300

>>2034285
When a woman likes Bocchi or any other cgdct show, I assume she enjoys the slice of life aspect, and likely relates to the characters in a pretty innocent way. When a man says he enjoys those shows, I do not trust him even one bit, because I know he has a body pillow of the youngest character and thinks about horrific things with her.

No. 2034322

>>2033958
>>2033964
he sounds tsundere

No. 2034365

>>2033704
My thing is that tv and media aren’t fuckin real, lol. when you’re a kid it’s nice to grow up seeing yourself on tv and in stores and comics and whatnot. But those are consumerist pleasures we have, because we’re privileged. It’s a privilege to be able to produce entertainment, tv shows, anime, comic books, block buster movies , sell expensive action figures and toys, etc. and it’s a privilege to consume them! They’re all apart of capitalism and sold only as products. In that sense it really shouldn’t fuckin matter if every superhero on the side of a cereal box is a blonde haired and blue eyed kid, or a rabbit with a top hat. It means nothing at the end of the day and anything it fullfills is so shallow, surface level, and egotistical, that it warrants not even a fraction of the urgency people treat it with. It’s just not that important

Why not devote your time to uplifting real people who look like you in your community. A fat obese black lesbian ninja in Naruto is not a practical or realistic role model. It’s totally an ego thing that retards on twitter want to treat like a ‘life or death’ thing.

No. 2034371

>>2034271
nta but is “moeshit” better

No. 2034404

>>2034270
a lot of people seem completely unable to recognize fan-service/target-audience unless it’s extremely blatant or overly sexual with like panty-shots or something

No. 2034436

>>2034153
jesus, how new are you? have you never heard of the term moe?

No. 2034443

>>2034365
>My thing is that tv and media aren’t fuckin real, lol. when you’re a kid it’s nice to grow up seeing yourself on tv and in stores and comics and whatnot. But those are consumerist pleasures we have, because we’re privileged.
Exactly, I understand the argument that kid's shows having an interracial couple or G-rated gay couple or disability treated as a non-issue is good because it's educational, but I don't understand why anyone over the age of 20 cares as much. It feels like they care more about seeing diverse fiction than supporting real people like that. If I want "strong female" representation I can talk to my independent female family members, if I want to support disabled people I can donate to a charity.

No. 2034445

>>2034216
I get wanting to avoid dumb shit, but dropping out before the story even tells you what it's trying to do seems dumb, like moids who drop because the female lead might talk to a male character that isn't the lead and that means they're basically ntr'ing them.

No. 2034460

>>2034445
No one is ever obligated to finish a story if the set up seems to be headed in a direction the audience doesn't like. Sure it could be revealed to be a galaxy-brain twist for something great but if I can't beat the author of Abandoned Empress with a crowbar then I don't have to engage in media that is going in a direction I dislike, and sticking around to find out doesn't make someone ant better than those who left for greener pastures.

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>>2034188
To me, a show is waifubait if:
>characters have at least one onsen episode with "kyaaaaaa my towel" moments.
>characters have at least one beach episode in which they just pose for the camera
>weird bendy knees
>one of the characters is/looks too young but is somehow wise/actually older than what it seems
>one of the characters has ridiculously huge boobs and that it's a constant theme in the show
>awawawawa uguuuu voices
>doesn't even dare go out on a date with an anime guy that isn't basically a self-insert
>barely male cast, or the male cast is unappealing/adults
>the only adults you see are the moms/relatives of the girls or male teachers that are totally very nice, maybe one actually cool guy that's taken as a joke/turned into a pervert later on
>the adult women speak in Ara Ara
>Perv anime autistic girl with no sense of boundaries (another moid self insert)
>or all of the girls are obvious waifu archetypes: deredere, tsundere, kuudere, autist, etc.
>any sort of panty shots or underwear on sight
>crossdressing moids/traps (part of the small male cast)
>maid episodes/theme
>sick girl episodes with mandatory ridiculously high fever that makes them hallucinate and make ugüu sounds
>unironic bunny girl figures/ outfits
>literally focusing on a waifu anime girl that's quirky in some way or another
It doesn't mean I will never watch it but I will avoid watching it because I know I will get annoyed, specially because of the Fandom that surrounds that anime.

No. 2034472

>>2034469
bocchi was literally published on manga time kirara, a moeshit magazine for men. I dont know why anons are coping.

No. 2034499

>>2034472
It's not a yuri magazine?

No. 2034501

>>2034460
I'm talking about when a story is barely getting into an arc and people flip hard, its not even some galaxy twist, it's usually pretty obvious what direction it's going in.

No. 2034513

>>2034499
please don't tell me you're dumb enough to think that most yuri is meant for actual lesbians or women.

No. 2034529

>>2033703
>she hasn't fucking read NANA
Honestly look into josei at all, usually more mature and aimed at adult women.

No. 2034538

>>2034513
No, I just put general moe and yuri in slightly seperate categories.

No. 2034545

>>2034538
they are both the same thing, fanservice for men

No. 2034560

>>2034545
Whatever, I'm just asking if it's the lesbian type or the male self insert type.

No. 2034562

>>2034560
there is no male self insert in neither

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>>2034562
Moe has a self insert male protagonist pretty regularly, though not as often as it used to since waifufags get mad if they even see a male character now.

No. 2034598

>>2034574
that thing isnt published on manga time kirara

No. 2034642

>>2034443
nta but imo people care so much about (increasingly niche) 'representation' as teens/adults because it indulges their narcissism and means that they don't have to apply as much effort to empathise with the characters on screen (which is an attitude that is at least partially taught and fostered by all the identity-based media discourse going around the last decade or so). I honestly think that a person should feel fucking embarrassed to say "I can't relate to x character, an abstracted facsimile of a human, because we don't share x trait", because if they feel that way about fake shit, I can't imagine their opinions towards real people who differ from them are much better.

Visual media is bad enough, but this attitude being applied to literature bothers me the most, since the whole point is being in someone else's head and experiencing their world and thoughts, so dismissing an entire story just because it doesn't match you specifically (not your interests, but you) is just so warped to me. But idk, I've never looked to fiction to see myself, so maybe this is a me problem, sorry for the sperg kek

No. 2034656

Didn't know where else to post this but I didn't realize how batshit insane the NaNa fandom was, especially when it comes to their ships. I've been into the manga, anime, and movies for years and only now decided to venture into the fandom. I don't know if it was always this way, but the group think is a bit insane there. You can't have a different opinion without someone literally arguing you down. That and it's filled with fake lesbians and troons.

No. 2034672

>>2034642
>I honestly think that a person should feel fucking embarrassed to say "I can't relate to x character, an abstracted facsimile of a human, because we don't share x trait"
>I've never looked to fiction to see myself, so maybe this is a me problem, sorry for the sperg kek
I personally feel the same way. This is a horse that's been beaten in this thread before but I feel the same as a minority or whatever. Things have happened since then but I think I mentally get placed into the self-hating box or learned helplessness box when I tell people I don't care about rep these days, but at least I don't get lectured anymore. Sometimes things are not about me or for me and I'm okay with that. I can understand why seeing a character that looks or acts like me would be nice in a sea of shit and LA quota pushers but it's not a deal breaker for me.

No. 2034933

Seeing how some anons talk about things they don't know at all and insist that they're right makes me realize that these threads aren't any better than the fandoms we're criticizing.

No. 2034964

>>2031808
>Randy Marsh "old"

He's like 38, not 100. What is wrong with zoomers

No. 2034968

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Does anyone else larp as a man online to participate in fandom without all of the downsides from being female? I feel like a traitor but i would 100% get cancelled if i didnt.

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Sometimes I feel so smug knowing I was able to enjoy certain fandoms before they went completely downhill.

>>2034656
kek when I saw Nana in tiktok videos I knew it was over. It some how managed to attract the worst type of people.

No. 2034988

>>2034985
the sad part is they arent even sexualizing the characters in that pic, its just dumb japanese moid humor.

No. 2035005

>>2034985
>Sometimes I feel so smug knowing I was able to enjoy certain fandoms before they went completely downhill.
Which ones? Spill it.

No. 2035042

>>2034968
I don't specifically larp as a male, but I never correct anyone assuming that I am one, which is common kek (the parts of fandom that stereotypically attract women don't interest me much, especially not for anything I'm currently into, so the lack of that on any of my accounts apparently means I must be male. That and the mechas… despite female mech fans/artists not being that obscure a niche lol). Same thing happens outside of fandom though, spent years in a gaming group where it was assumed I was a guy until I went on mic lmao.

I don't think you're a traitor for specifically pretending to be a guy either, fandoms are supposed to be for fun, and so many of them are full of toxic rats who'll only attack and harass female fans but ignore far worse moids, so whatever lets you have a good time and avoid that shit is worth it imo.

No. 2035117

>>2033888
Cutie Honey was made for male audiences and the manga was released a shonen magazine. It's not really a show you can compare to actual mahou shojou for little girls because the demographic and targets were completely different… it also aired in the dinner/late afternoon time slot like Lupin the Third instead of early in the morning or after school.
Vidrel is mahou shoujo FOR GIRLS made by Go Nagai (coomer author of Cutie Honey, for those who don't know) and you can see the clear difference in tone and imagery.

Also, sidenote, Honey is a gynoid meant to look like an adult woman, she was never a character that lolicon otaku latched onto. She was always meant to be a character for men and boys, unlike other mahou shoujo before Minky Momo exploded in popularity.

No. 2035140

>>2035117
a lot of older mahou shoujo had fanservicy OVAs for men. One of the creamy mami ovas has them getting attacked by tentacle monsters.

No. 2035176

>>2034276
>>2034529
I tried reading Nana and I didn't like the narration, and it seemed too romance focused for me, I don't think I'd be able to stand a protagonist like Hachi.

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I hate skin colour discourse so fucking much

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No. 2035182

>>2034933
I like this thread because it's like a double feature. You get to enjoy both the fandom cringe and the nonas embarrassing themselves arguing over it.

No. 2035200

>>2035140
Yes, and Creamy Mami came out after they knew they could have an otaku audience. They had an idol voice her and they accepted male otaku at their live events for little girls. For the record, majokko otaku are part of why otaku in Japan always had a reputation as horny pedophiles and part of it is due to their presence at these kinds of events.

If you look at most actual mahou shoujo before Minky Momo got a male otaku audience it's anime like Chappy (vidrel) or Sally where the sexy content is equal to zero. The characters are cartoony and silly and there is an emphasis on cuteness and whimsical things, but it's not made to be titillating in any way.

The outliers are Cutie Honey (made for men) and Majokko Meg (made for boys first and girls second and it replaced Honey on the same timeslot), and even then Meg already toned the sex appeal down compared to Honey because the idea of an anime about female characters for men wasn't popularized yet. Even then, Honey and Meg aren't little girls, because back then they had no ideas that being into little girls would become a widespread phenomenon in japanese nerds.

Mahou shoujo was not a genre made for males, but it developed to cater to lolicon otaku earlier than you think. And again, not just shows like Madoka or the recent coom fotm magical girls or Prisma Ilya cater to male otaku. Sailor Moon, Mew Mew, some PreCure seasons, etc, all catered to male otaku to acceptable levels when they aired.
Now, I'm saying that these shows are tainted and impossible to watch due to this fact, just that mahou shoujo as a genre in Japan can't be separated from the adult male audience anymore.
It's something we magical girl fans have to make peace with or not think about, because it does feel like some sort of betrayal even if it's just silly cartoons.
The only solace I feel in all of this is that if a show is good the otaku shit is negligible. Also I do feel schadenfreude when shonen mangs and shit like Inazuma Eleven get lewded by fujoshi.

No. 2035209

>>2035200
anything that has a female only cast is bound to attract horny men. Like mlp for example. Same reason why south park has a fujo fanbase. Japan is intelligent enough that they realized horny nerds want to look a cute guys/girls and monetize it, i dont know why the west doesnt do the same.

No. 2035227

>>2035200
Now you got me thinking about all of the Inazuma MLP crossover art I made in high school

No. 2035230

>>2035209
>Creating content for pedophiles is intelligent.
Go back.

No. 2035239

>>2035230
literally where did i say that

No. 2035246

>>2035179
I hate it too but specifically because my laptop was loosing it's color in the screen for years slowly and the art I would make looked fine on my screen but different on other screens

No. 2035250

>>2033940
lmfao I know her, I’ve seen her REEE comments in lots of GC posts on Tumblr

No. 2035266

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The Silent Hill 2 remake, like I get it's mostly a style change. Angela doesn't look like she's in her 30s or 40s anymore, and is a little more chubby I guess that's fine.
But they toned down the sexy nurses and Maria when their entire thing is being a male sex fantasy like are they changing the time period maybe she doesn't have to be like Christina Aguilera but this outfit fits her role better than the dress and coat combo they showed.

No. 2035273

>>2033940
What is with FTM fujos and converting to Judaism? To collect oppression points? Trough this has kinda backfired in the last months.

No. 2035274

>>2035273
judaism has a gajillion genders

No. 2035275

>>2033940
>>2033949
>dying like a gay man
AiDs?

No. 2035305

>>2035266
It's going to be shit no matter the style changes, how can people still put their faith into Konami after all the shit they pulled? They just want to consoom the classic yet overused horror video game.

No. 2035421

>>2035266
All the characters look uglier. James especially. They purposefully aged him up.

No. 2036294

>>2035209
>anything that has a female only cast is bound to attract horny men.
Oh, okay. I get what's going on now.

No. 2036385

Do you ever wonder how fandoms would have grown if characters where put into different genres?
Like instead of idol, spoken or something like that.
Or something more extreme like an isekai or battle harem protagonist into a spokon or male only cast shounen or vice versa. Would you still like your husbando if he was transported into another world?

No. 2036404

>>2034138
Nagai WAS a genius and is one of the most influential men in anime/manga history. In fact, he was the original ecchi giga coomer and had the PTA boycotting his series in the late 60's.

No. 2036407

>>2036404
So the state of modern anime is his fault?

No. 2036411

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>>2034985
They didn't even give em nipples, I swear to god all Japanese male gamedevs are just secretly gay.

No. 2036414

>>2036411
all men are bisexual, thats why there are so many baras and traps in the stuff they make

No. 2036418

>>2036414
Yeah but they make them purposefully ugly. I'm not talking faces, I'm talking anatomy. Flat pecs, no nipples, never shaded properly to show that, yes, men have both sharp angles and soft curves… drives me nuts. Especially in gacha games, they treat male characters like second-class citizens, art-wise.

No. 2036424

>>2036418
Tbf, isn't that partially just granblue's style?

No. 2036429

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>>2036424
They're more than capable of making pretty art. They just don't want to for the male characters.

No. 2036437

>>2036429
It's can be pretty, but the artstyle doesn't lend itself that well to what you're looking for, is what I meant.

No. 2036442

>>2036429
i dont understand any woman who plays mixed gachas for the husbands, you are cucking yourself.

No. 2036456

>>2036442
Ah I don't play Granblue anymore, anyway, I was playing it on Chrome 'cause there was an English translation patch at the time. But I grew bored of grinding.

No. 2036459

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>>2036437
No, it can, it's like I said, though: the devs hate men.

No. 2036491

>>2036459
Those pecs are still flat and the shading is the same.

No. 2036495

>>2036459
i will never understand why they are incapable of making guys fully shirtless

No. 2036767

>>2036385
I'm confused by your question, familiar archetypes exist across genres/demographics (i.e hotblooded leader, calm and cool lancer etc). I hate isekai shit but I actually like AU fics, not sure if that's what you're asking though.

No. 2036780

>>2034015
A lot of sites delete your post for saying naughty no-no words like what tiktok does with CP and SA. You can't discuss mature subjects without sidestepping the censors leaving the whole post/video a nonsensical world salad of doublespeak. It doesn't stop at tiktok since zoomers censor their words on ao3, the site where posting whatever you want is the point.
>>2036411
>doesn't give them nipples
>gay
more like straight. Moids start fuming at the mouth when a anatomically correct bishe is so much as implied to have nipples.
>>2036459
What is going on with his pecs? Male chest aren't shaped like that?

No. 2036970

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>>2036459
Do they though?

No. 2036983

>>2036970
One femgaze character in a sea of coombait big titty and loli waifus doesn’t mean anything

No. 2036988

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>>2036983
Granblue is bu far one of the more equal opportunity fanservice gachas though. The winner of the popularity poll for both men and women was Sandalphon even, not a waifu or loli

No. 2037001

>>2036988
I really don’t care, I’ve seen the skins of gbf and men wearing clothes like that is 1 for every 20 coomer cards. Enjoy your scraps, just don’t try to shill it as being totally pandering to women

No. 2037048

>>2037001
NTA but what is your ideal gacha/mobage, nonna?

No. 2037062

>>2037048
They all need to be banned

No. 2037077

>>2037062
Isn't there not much worth in giving more than scraps if the audience didn't want gacha to exist to begin with?

No. 2037078

>>2036970
Yeah, where the fuck are his nipples?

No. 2037080

>>2037048
something like blue archive just with hot men

No. 2037089

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>>2036780
>Male chest aren't shaped like that?
AYRT, that's what I'm saying dude!! The devs are so scared of coming across as even slightly homosexual for daring to put time and effort into a goddamn illustration of a man's torso. Meanwhile an ACTUAL artist would just get on with it and paint the damn thing he set out to paint.

No. 2037100

>>2037077
I'm ntayrt, I just wanted to post my anti gacha opinion. Female gachafags deserve scraps so that one day they’ll wake up from their gambling addiction

No. 2037104

Discord ruined fandoms a lot more than social media ever did.

No. 2037110

>>2037100
and the male do not or what? do you just dislike the gachafag women?

No. 2037111

>>2037104
eh no twitter is basically speedruining to ruin fandoms as many fandoms as possible

No. 2037133

>>2037110
nta but it's obvious that nona thinks gachashit is predatory and women deserve better than becoming gambling addicts

No. 2037151

>>2037133
Nta but most gachafags aren't addicts, and honestly I don't care if adults ruin themselves for a jpeg, they should know better.

No. 2037157

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>>2037151
>gachafags aren't addicts
you're a gachafag arent you?

No. 2037171

>>2037157
Nta but nona if all gachafags were whales then gacha would be making a bazillion dollars.
The reality is there is a very small number of whales (genuine gambling addicts) dolphins who just like one or two characters and will only spend on them, and the massive amount are free players that don't spend any money.

No. 2037182

>>2037157
Yes I've played a few gacha games but I've never spent money on them, so fucking what?

No. 2037277

>>2037080
Based. Sometimes I wanna travel back in time and tell my younger self to invest in coding so that one day my femgaze video game dreams are fully realized.
>>2037133
Wished there were more buy to play hero collectors where all the main heroes were cute and hot guys. Maybe then less women would rely on gacha to get their husbando fix.

No. 2037352

>>2033940
Too much Kyman yaoi

No. 2037420

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>>2036459
I hate how many pathetic bones GBF throws. Look at how flat this ass is. Meanwhile, all the female characters have extremely detailed and shapely tits and ass and many sport extremely lewd outfits.
Anyone who plays these games for the husbandos is deeply cucked. Idgaf if Lucipher and Sandalphon are sad cute yaois.

No. 2037442

>>2037151
Exactly. Most gatchaplayers are Free 2 Play. Very few actually whale

No. 2037443

>>2037420
How fucking depressing is it to have that body and no ass. 1/10

No. 2037448

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>>2033106
I thought you were joking, anon. WTF?

No. 2037499

>>2037448
Yeah, it's hard to tell what info is legit but from what I've heard online, the the script writer refused to work with her and when they kept arguing, it was decided that the author would write it herself.
She had no experience with script writing and the show suffered as a result.
When people went to the scriptwriter ont their instagram they went "lmao it wasn't me lol". The author committed suicide soon after that.

No. 2037731

>>2033792
Women are their own worst enemies now a days. it sucks so much, and I miss the early 2000s fandoms every day. I miss the days of no tranny/gender politics so much

No. 2037742

>>2037111
yeah, definitely twt and tik tok were the downfall to most fandoms. It's causing smooth brain syndrome in a lot of the recent generation.

No. 2037840

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>>2037080
i am making my own shitty game with husbandos. I suck balls at coding and art, but it feels nice to be able to make something no big company is willing to do.

No. 2037845

>>2037840
Rpgmaker?

No. 2037846


No. 2037848

>>2037840
Ngl I follow a couple of fujos that make rpgmaker stuff for characters they like, it's always nice to see what they do. I support you nonnie

No. 2037859

>>2037840
Even if the art is ass it's the heart that counts

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No. 2038672

>>2038472
1584 upvotes on a Reddit post kek. A lot of people are tired of troon fics basically being disguised hetsex but they're too scared to say it because of muh transphobia

No. 2038719

>>2038472
You know this trend is cancerous when other trans-identified people are calling it out. It's funny because a decade ago the narrative was that transpeople are too dysphoric to use their genitals, wtf happened to that? I see people admitting this on anonymous sites too.

No. 2038750

>>2038472
Thought r/ao3 was wisening up before the community downvoted and berated the user for being "transphobic". For what? Pointing out countless trojan horse fics promising m/m and f/f only to be met with piv but it's so totes gay because the author said so.
>>2038672
Piv in slash is somehow more queer than two men actually having sex. Don't quote me on that, that's what I've gleamed after lurking the thread and finding a several users defending the sanctity of such a cursed genre of fanfiction. These are the same retards whining about het a/b/o but turn around defending a/b/o AUs that turns one of the MCs into a woman in every sense but name. The cognitive dissonance is giving me a brain aneurysm just thinking about it.
Is it too much to ask for slash to be about normal same-sex pairings without coming off as a crytoterf?
>>2038719
Some say they do, but dysphoria conveniently ceases whenever they like, no matter how nonsensical and arbitrary. It's different when they do it. Consistency was never on tifs and tim's mind while living out their deluded lives walking fetish trucks since to them, becoming the opposite sex is the important fulfillment to true degeneracy. They don't aspire to men or women, only ukes and cute anime school girls despite vehemently denying every form of sane rhetoric levied at them.

No. 2038795

>>2034062
>>2034064
I only watched the anime when it came out but from what I remember it was really fun, you're basically just seeing a bunch of women slowly losing it and going from sophisticated plans to going ape-shit in a full on war.

No. 2038810

>>2038750
So many people coping and saying PIV sex can be gay and that it's totally transgressive, it's too funny. It's literally the most represented type of sex and was never criminalized yet you'd think otherwise based on the comments. No one demeans PIV on the basis that it's gross (gay sex) or not real (lesbian sex). These people are so terminally online that they think fanfic readers not liking tranny het on AO3 is peak oppression, they will never experience a sliver of what gay people experience.

No. 2038831

>>2038810
They literally reinvented heterosexuality right down to the same heteronormative pussy bottoms and cock tops. Would it hurt for them to liven things up? have it the other way or write straight sex? They're not going to jail writing hetbend. Tag it, move on, and stop trying to be special. 3rd world fic writers get arrested for less but suggesting trans headcanons are a woke man's genderswap is a felony.

No. 2038848

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>>2038472
>Using gay sex terms top and bottom for heterosexual sex acts
>Using gay sex terms in reference to lesbian sex but it's actually heterosexual sex
We are hitting retard levels that shouldn't even be possible.

No. 2038889

>>2034968
Nah fuck that shit. Fandoms are supposed to be fun and not stressful. I don’t like what seemingly most fangirls are into so i venture into fanboy spaces. Like >>2035042 said if someone assumes i’m a fanboy I don’t correct them idc just let me talk about dumb fan stuff in peace.
This shouldn’t even be stated but I’m not attacking anyone, everyone enjoys fandom differently and deserve to have fun without having someone breath down their necks

No. 2038930

>>2038831
I remember there was a trend a decade ago where people joked about their het ships being subversive because they wrote about pegging or femdom, I'm not a hetfag but I preferred that over claiming trans PIV is queer. I wish I could transport these zoomer gendies to back when sodomy laws were around.

No. 2038939

>>2034968
I don't larp as a guy but I'm in male-heavy sides of my interests and everyone assumes I'm a man there. Obviously it has its downsides like how the majority of moids only care about coomery but if you find a couple of decent people it's not a bad experience. There's a lot less tone-policing/virtue-signalling/retarded social justice politics and even if you say something politically incorrect you don't have to worry about people pulling a sudden 180 on you.

Of course you can achieve the same thing with women but in my experience it's 100x harder to find likeminded women, LC is my only option for that but it's not really an apt substitute for regular interaction on social media. Even the seemingly apolitical ones start chanting TWAW protect trans kids up out of nowhere so I gave up.

>>2038930
>I remember there was a trend a decade ago where people joked about their het ships being subversive because they wrote about pegging or femdom
The new thing is calling het ships "bi4bi" therefore it's queer and not tainted by icky allocishet privilege even though it's a man and woman in a relationship. Though it's worse than the pegging = subversive jokes because these people are serious and will call you biphobic if you call their ships straight.

No. 2039013

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Not sure where to post this but good news Monster High is ditching the Nickelodeon movies and went straight to universal. Say goodbye to they/them Frankie Stein!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/monster-high-movie-universal-mattel-1235915254/amp/

No. 2039021

>>2039013
unrelated but i am glad the dark universe failed. The universal monster fandom is one of the coziest fandoms and i would have hated for it to be ruined by marvel spergs.

No. 2039022

>>2039013
I wish they brought back EAH

No. 2039032

>>2034968
I'm ashamed to say that yes, in anonymous discussions or critiques I act as if I'm a male because I feel like people take my opinions more seriously

No. 2039034

>>2034988
Japanese moid humor is so weird, it's always just gay shit

No. 2039726

I used to make fun of people talking about cancel culture, but holy shit they werent kidding i just got put in a problematic fan artist list. Holy shit, I havent used social media since i was 12 and had a Deviant art account over 10 years ago, things truly have gone to shit. They have like 30 followers so i just laughed it off and continue posting, but its hilarious it happened.

No. 2039736

>>2039034
Most moids just wish they could be gay but they truly believe they're oppressed, kek.

No. 2039742

>>2039726
it really is ridiculous- can you tell us your crime/s without giving yourself away? I had some freaks turn on me for saying I wasn't interested in creating things for a ship involving my favourite character or depicting them the way they were demanding me to (their headcanons, basically) and was therefore a bad person kek. Fizzled out after a week or so but man, it was embarrassing to witness.

No. 2039748

>>2039742
>can you tell us your crime/s without giving yourself away?
drawing south park yaoi, not even nsfw just kawaii autistic ship art. I guess shipping the cartoon, neon colored characters from a show that throws slurs every two episodes is too offensive nowadays.

No. 2039762

>>2039748
Seriously? What a dumb thing to get uppity about, especially for a show that's not just edgy but has also canonically acknowledged its large fujo fanbase. Regardless, hope no one bothers you over it anon

No. 2039764

>>2039762
The new zoomer fandom is insane. They harass the asian fanartists too.

No. 2039777

>>2039748
South Park literally has a yaoi episode KEK You'd think they'd realize no one on the show gives a shit about shipping two characters

No. 2039795

>>2039777
they put me under proshipper kek. I dont know if its because its ''shota'', or because they are enemies or both.

No. 2039796

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>>2039748
Anyone making edgy things kawaii gets so much hate for some reason. Adding that kind of feminine cutesy touch to something usually masculine or problematic triggers something in the brain

No. 2039826

>>2039796
I think sometimes (but not always) that backlash towards cute-ifying or wholesome!AU fanart for darker or edgy media stems from fans of that kind of media expecting the fandom to reflect it and make more of it rather than change it into something it's not– eg you play a horror game only to find the fandom full of pastel positive vibes art etc. Not saying that's even a bad thing, only that the expectation of a fandom being a gateway to more of the things you like not being met can tick people off, or make other fans seem 'fake', especially if it's something niche. You see it with reboots and remakes that change the original aesthetics or tones as well.

(personally most of my fandoms are so small and slow I'll take anything at this point– so long as it isn't gendie etc kek)

No. 2039828

>>2039826
so they want racist south park art?

No. 2039880

>>2039826
Interesting, I never thought about it like that. Fandom has become such a weird group thing where people assume everyone in it should feel the same or treat the media in question the same. And when some people don't it becomes a "but we're not like that part of the fandom" situation.

No. 2040126

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I wonder why the bulk of vocaloid fans at least in the west are women when the majority of producers are male. In fact the only big name female producers I can think of are oster project, hitoshizuku, ghost and pals (ayden i think), and cilla. No I’m not counting coomers who make rabbit hole edits or naked project diva mods, which are the majority of male western vocaloid “fans”.

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>>2040126
I think more men make indie music in general, why else do you think there were so many brony songs? Also damn you left out the women who did vanaN'ice aka the most fujo project there is…

No. 2040188

>>2040126
female producers are very rare in the entire music industry

No. 2040922

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>>2039764
You're right anon! Zoomers and older alphas are definitely ruining the fun in fandom. They want everything to cater to them and cannot accept different interpretation of their favourite characters. The most annoying part is they will go ballistic when people have fun with non-canon pairings/shipping. I was called out by a snot-nosed zoomie for commenting that A character should be with C character instead of A character's official pairing with character B because they have more screen time together but this zoomie got buttmad and pulled the "Bu-but A character is a minor card!!!". Thing is character C has a 4 year gap between character A but is still a teenager like character A. So there wasn't a "minor" issue at all! I hate how zoomies/alphas are quick to use the "minor" card to win a disagreement or worse, cancel a person. Why can't they just use their brain to at least argue why they think A and C wouldn't be a good pairing instead of jumping straight to cancelling a person. Does no one teach them how to have a fun discussion/debate anymore? Or teach them to ignore views that they don't agree with instead of taking everything personally? I'm definitely gonna stop engaging in big fandoms now. It's too risky out there. You can be cancelled at any moment by a random snot-nosed kid just because you "headcanon" their fav character wrongly. It's crazy out there in the fandom world, especially for fanfic writers and fanartists.

No. 2040934

>>2040126
Keep in mind there is a shit ton of producers who never got popular.

No. 2040937

>>2040922
Nona why are you shipping minors in the first place kek you shouldn't be getting invested in kids media and arguing with children about it. If they are 17/16 and 13/12 and the person you're arguing with is in that same age range they'd obviously find it gross.

No. 2040944

>>2040937
go back to twitter. Kids dont belong in fandom.

No. 2040945

>>2040126
it's the cute anime art that isn't hypersexualized waifufag shit

No. 2040951

>>2040922
I agree with you, but younger millennials do this too. The biggest antishippers in my experience are either 19 or over 30 despite the "fandom mom" stereotype. The way young adults and teenagers weaponize being a "minor" is weird to me too. I hated being a kid and wanted to grow up ASAP (I was scared of pedos kek), when I was a teenager in fandom I never brought up my age or sneaked into adult spaces because I just wanted to be respected as a fan.

No. 2040981

>>2040944
Fandom is not a group or anything, it's just random people who like the same thing. It would make more sense to say that kids don't belong on social media

No. 2040991

>>2040937
They're cartoons. You need to go back.

No. 2040992

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Cows, which kind of problems you see in the fandoms you usually interact?
I'm usually in some fandoms that allow fucked up content without moralism or virtue signaling, but they are still full of gendies.

No. 2040993

>>2040992
why are you calling us cows

No. 2040994

>>2040993
My bad, I though it was just this chans version of nonna.(newfag)

No. 2040997

>>2040994
newfags are so cute

No. 2041001

>>2040993
Tbf some people ITT definitely are cows

No. 2041006

>>2040991
I'm not mad about it, I just genuinely wonder how anon can get so invested in cartoon children.

No. 2041008

>>2041006
Its fandom, people get invested in fictional serial killers/mass murderers/racists/etc. They arent real, they are characters.

No. 2041010

>>2040992
Its mostly a twitter and discord male fandom in the west, so waifu wars.
Damn dudes act like they're electing a fucking president. Weirdly enough the Japanese fandom has a lot of moms so their problem is mostly just art drama. Weird separation between the two. What type of show gets western side 20 something moids and the eastern side 30 something women?

No. 2041069

>>2040922
Why are you arguing with teenagers online

No. 2041116

I haven't watched or been into anime for a long while now, but few days ago nostalgia hit me and I started reading discussions about anime on various forums/message boards and there is so much sick fucks who want to talk about "real life loli".
Saw a question something like "do real life lolis wear camisoles?"..what the fuck do you mean by "real life loli", actual children? And everyone is replying to him like he asked a normal question. As if getting aroused to drawn children was not disgusting enough, now they pretend saying "real life loli" somehow hides their pedophilic intentions.

No. 2041120

>>2041116
what kind of anime are you watching that attracts so many lolifags

No. 2041126

>>2041116
since anime is now a normie thing, apparently being sexually attracted to drawings of a 8 yr old children is also completely normal nowadays. men in my school sometimes just casually talk about what anime character they would fuck, and one time they mentioned sakura kinomoto, i never wanted to kmys that badly.

No. 2041141

>>2041120
Wasn't watching but I was googling stuff about series I used to watch a while ago, some of them being Higurashi, Madoka etc. Also was reading discussions about newer series that seem to be popular. Anyways I am too old for this shit

>>2041126
>men in my school sometimes just casually talk about what anime character they would fuck, and one time they mentioned sakura kinomoto,

Back in my day, saying this shit as an adult (or older teenager) would make you an outcast in an instant and now I see it is for a good reason.

No. 2041151

>>2041141
>Higurashi, Madoka
they are scrote shows what did you expect

No. 2041869

>>2040951
So true. Some young millenials are bonkers too. I hate how some of them hide behind the "fandom mom" label and try to dictate what is okay and not okay in a fandom. They try really hard to be the "queen bee" of the fandom which also ruins the fun. This ain't high school people! Same anon. When I was a kid I just lurk around deviantart and ao3 and never engage in fandoms at all because I know most fanfic writers and artists are adults. I respected their works and never comment on anything that is not to my taste because I know I'm the one who wrongly encroached into an adult space. There's a reason why sites like dA and ao3 gives out warning that you have to be 18 years and above to read/see the contents. But zoomers/aplhas love to ignore the rules set out in these sites and get mad when they read/saw weird shit on the internet. We should really bring back small internet communities and gatekeep more. Dumping everyone and their grandma in one single normie social media site like Xwitter and IG just ruins the fandom experience.

No. 2041889

>>2041869
children, particularly ones that aren't sharp enough to keep their real age hidden, should just be banned from the internet entirely until their frontal lobes mature

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No. 2042113

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>>2041126
It's creepy how mainstream it is now to openly like lolis, this image got around 80k when reposted on some meme account

No. 2042123

>>2042113
twitter scrotes give me aneurysms

No. 2042130

>>2033137
women who sexualize themselves for men and women who are sexualized against their will by men are completely different

No. 2042133

>>2033148
its not the maddona whore complex. men dont repect women that sexualize themselves because of how they view sex and puritanical ideas of sexuality. feminists dont respect those same women because they cater to their oppressors.

No. 2042137

>>2040992
proship antiship autism they all ship underaged characters with each other though so its just watching two pedophiles fight but ones into child x child and child x adult. and you can't kill yourself.

i try to avoid these people and keep to drawing meditated abuse of my (adult) bias.

No. 2042307

I'm in the Discord server for a small indie game and it's being absolutely spammed by people making pride flag edits of the main characters, all of whom are grown men that have no inkling of being trans/aroace/whatever the fuck. It's just embarrassing and annoying how exactly three people can shit up an entire server and if you say anything you'd get dogpiled for twansphobia and kicked. Sage for blog, I'm just shocked the twitter/tumblr gendies have even gotten to a tiny, male-appealing game that just came out months ago.

No. 2042351

>>2042307
what game? this happened with fallout after the normalfag show and i hate it

No. 2042366

>>2042106
Men lost their ''its fiction'' rights because they actually commit crimes

No. 2042413

>>2042351
Felvidek. It's even weirder because the gamedev based the character portraits on photos of his IRL friends and they're getting trans headcanons left and right.

No. 2042487

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>Minor characters

Mmkay but what if I was a minor at the time the show was airing? What am I supposed to do not age? I know he's not a good example because technically/canonically he's a grown ass man now, but I can never tell where people land on this kind of thing when it comes to Husbandofagging. It feels so off-putting getting called a pedo for liking a character I've liked for fucking years. And also since the situations they're all put in is not based in reality anyway.(I'm not talking about loli/shota characters btw I'm talking about the fictonal characters that were popular with my age group at the time.) Where is the line exactly?


>>2041126
That's not normal but it has always been a thing. Anime becoming mainstream is probably the worst thing for everyone right now.

No. 2042502

>>2042307
>>2042413
What the fuck, I played that game a while ago and there's nothing about it that would appeal to the rainbow crowd I thought. There is no hiding from these people, is it?

No. 2042505

>>2042487
i never understood people who see characters are real people. I get it when they are actually played or voiced by minors. But if someone husbandofag's kyle from south park, a characters who's voiced by a grown adult, then i dont see how that correlates to pedophilia kek.

No. 2042509

>>2042487
Most of the time everyone expects you to move on and find an older character, which is kind of what happens when the Fandom is mostly a bunch of trend-hoppers with the attention span of a wasp on drugs.
Most people don't seem to understand that you can be in love with a character for literal decades.

No. 2042517

>>2042487
There is no line, people just need to get their head out their ass and realize anime isn't real.

No. 2042530

>>2042509
notice how none of these people go lecture the anime forums of men lusting after lolis and instead gallop around women's fandom spaces to sperg about how we should all be in love with disgusting old men or fatties

No. 2042545

>>2042487
One thing I never understood was how so much of fandom is against "aging up" characters. I still like the characters and ships I had in middle/high school (who were my age then), why is it so wrong to want them to imagine them as my age? It's like if I keep a character who was 16 in a show that aired in 2009 the same I'm a pedo but if I draw them as a 30 year old that's also creepy because "I'm fixating on a minor and want to see them grown up for creepy reasons"

No. 2042549

>>2042545
Tbh, in that case it's mostly because they're too retarded to understand that women aren't like the average moid that makes anime little girls look like ugly ass bimbos and call that "aged up versions" there's literally not an equivalent bimbo style for anime boys that doesn't look straight up retarded unlike the kind of drawings that shadman and other coomers does.

No. 2042550

>>2042549
isnt the male equivalent those women who draw pecs like tits?

No. 2042551

>>2042413
Ashamed to admit I managed to at least somewhat guess it. Old and middle aged men are all the rage with twitter/tumblr types now, and once I saw the youtube essayists start talking about it I knew it was only a matter of time. None of this matters anyway, since even politely disagreeing with a gendie headcanon (or in some cases, deliberately ignoring them) makes you the most horrible person on earth for some reason. Gendies can't ever calmly disagree or meet halfway on something and that's 90% my annoyance with them.

No. 2042555

>>2042550
Not really, because they do that to already buff characters. I really have a hard time imagining an exaggerated design of men that doesn't look straight up retarded and that has been actually used to signify sexiness like how the hourglass figure with huge breasts and huge ass have been used for so long.
But I guess it could be that, still thought, I haven't seen women making hyper buff drawings of characters like Astroboy or Hanako while saying that it's an "aged up version" of the characters.

No. 2042569

>>2042487
I understand how you feel. I think for me, the line is drawn when the character is written to be a kid and visually looks like a kid. I also really like the Elrics, and I like a lot of sports anime male characters (even though they all look like adults but somehow are 14). I think if people find men liking little girl characters creepy, then they should understand why people would find it weird if women liked underage characters. At the end of the day, they're not real, but I still find it weird in certain circumstances.

I also think arguments like >>2042530 are pointless because women do find men who like loli weird. It's just a universal thing and that's why a lot of women aren't 24/7 tweeting screenshots about how men like loli or how weird it is. We know a majority of men are into loli, why would they spend 24/7 talking about how bad it is, or even go in those spaces? It's just a bad deflection. On the other hand too, I think people spend too much time online because women anime fans in real life all still have crushes on the teenage characters, it's online fandom spaces that are policing about it.

No. 2042576

>>2042569
>I think if people find men liking little girl characters creepy, then they should understand why people would find it weird if women liked underage characters.
i dont hold women to the same standards as men because women dont rape. Normie women like worse stuff to be honest.

No. 2042577

>>2042545
Some people have weird reactions to characters being 'aged up' because they see them as a sort of eternal child/teen/whatever and don't like that illusion being broken by implying they will age and get boring jobs and have non-chaste relationships– you ruin their endless summer, so to speak. It's retarded I know, but also something I've only really seen strongly in regards to media that's very static (cartoons are a great example, where characters will be the same age forever despite the show going for years or even decades), but not so much for media that has characters age and mature (especially if they're depicted as adults, not just older teens) over the course of its run.

This obviously isn't the biggest reason for this nonsense, but I thought I'd bring it up since it can be behind a knee-jerk distaste towards the idea of ageing up characters that doesn't have much to do with shipping or anti/proship idiocy. For younger fans they might find it confronting to see an outside force change something they relate to into something they're not ready for yet (eg ageing a teen character up to college age), and for older fans it might be that they want a character to stay a pristine time capsule (especially if it's from media they enjoyed when they were younger/same age as the characters in it), or they might see them from a more parental/sibling perspective with anything else being disruptive towards that.

No. 2042581

>>2042413
that game? the silly Hungarian rpgmaker game? I'm sorry you had to deal with those people. I'd instantly asked to be banned if I were you.
>>2042502
Guess anything and everything will get the rainbow mafia to soil anything sacred.

No. 2042587

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>>2042569
>I think for me, the line is drawn when the character is written to be a kid and visually looks like a kid

Tbh I also draw the line there since it’s reasonable. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t for some reason but maybe it’s because they’re young or retarded or something. Im also a huge sports anime fan and I recall when there was a resurgence in popularity for HQ!! during COVID. I’ve witnessed a lot of “UM ISNT HE A MINOR” despite the characters being tall and muscular (anime also came out when I and lots of artists were still in high school). Even at that point they were already adults in the manga. Even with recent animes like My Hero, literally all of them were muscular and a lot of the time their fanart made them look way older anyway. I don’t mind “aging up” a character either as that pretty much falls into the same realm of AU ideas. But maybe that’s just me

No. 2042591

>>2042487
In a similar vein, I feel like I can't bring up my husbando anywhere, I've only been in love with him for close to a year but we have a ten year age gap and he's of legal age at the current point in the lore, but just barely. I don't give a shit I only care that I love him, but I really don't want to subject myself to the predictable arguments I know I'll get.
I probably worded this really badly but oh well.

No. 2042593

>>2041069
Nta but you're probably arguing with them too, they are everywhere, including here on lc.

No. 2042652

>>2042591
its why i try not to engage with other women in fandom, they are too judgamental. Its sad, but i didnt spend 10 years grinding to not be able to draw what i want, so whatever.

No. 2042656

>>2042652
I basically live through non English threads at this point tbh

No. 2042664

>>2042576
>women dont rape
Why do people always say this when talking about the men and women liking little kids. Who cares, it's all weird. Not every girl is a saint and the entirely of the cow boards proves it

No. 2042665

>>2042656
i noticed non english speakers are starting to get infected with the same brainrotting virus amerilards have. I uninronically started being super toxic and drawing normalfag filtering stuff because users with the tranny flag started following. Like when k-on fans larped as nazis to filter the plebs.

No. 2042669

>>2042664
If you see cartoons as real people you need to get checked to be honest. Even bishies look nothing like irl men.

No. 2042672

>>2042664
Because they're not little kids, they are fictional characters. The point is that men are famously terrible at distinguishing fiction from reality and so their fictional preferences seldom stay within the realm of fiction. This is not the case with women. Women are not out here enacting real world violence and sex crimes and attributing it to their taste in media the way men are, and so I don't really care what degeneracy a woman likes in her fanfiction.

No. 2042675

>>2042665
How horrible. At this point, I'm genuinely wondering if it's better just to AI it out.

No. 2042707

>>2042665
these people were already disconnected from the general population, but it's absolutely bizzare to see shit like "queer activism" or caring about OC's when our nations are dealing with some financial crisis or civil conflict. I turn to fandom to escape the fucking reality of my nation, what's the point of getting into a pointless american identity conflict

No. 2042738

>>2042669
>>2042672
I don't know if you guys read my original post or not but I made a clear statement that I understand it's not real. It's still weird if you see a character written as a kid and that looks like a kid and still find it attractive, man or not. They might not be real, but the way you interact with the fiction is telling

No. 2042758

>>2042738
>the way you interact with the fiction is telling
As fantasy, how horrifying

No. 2042763

I see more anons saying that women can distinguish fiction from reality more than men can, which I agree with as well lol but, do anons here also hold rapey, abusive, and yandere male characters in hetero content for women to the same standards?

No. 2042766

>>2042763
They are CARTOONS bitch

No. 2042768

>>2042738
literally no kid looks or act like that. Just because 3DPD lives rent free in your mind it doesnt mean every other woman thinks of fleshie cock all day too. I like bishies, and there isnt a single 3DPD that has the body or face of a bishie irl. Because they arent real, they are a fantasy.
>>2042763
Submissive women are cringe, but yes. The ''women like dominant male characters, that means they want to be raped and abused irl!!'' is something moids say to justify the abuse of women.

No. 2042770

>>2042763
Do you mean like knowing the difference between yandere behavior in fiction (hot) and yandere behavior irl (not hot and very ew)? Because if so: duh.

No. 2042777

>>2042763
My husbando is a yandere that killed millions in a terrorist attack for the female lead.

No. 2042824

>>2042738
>written as a kid and that looks like a kid
I'd agree if we were talking about fictional children depicted by real children, but Enstars boys and South Park blobs do not resemble real children in any way.
>>2042763
Yes. I have zero interest in that sort of thing, but it would be ridiculous to think that women who are actually want to be stalked and locked in cages.

No. 2042884

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Tiktok fandom spaces are not real

No. 2042886

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>>2042763
Personally, yeah. All my friends who like slightly fucked up shit like Diabolik Lovers and generally bad boys in anime and manga tend to make it very clear that a real life equivalent would be horrifying and it'd suck.

Otoh I've had one of my few male friends once tell me that he stopped with lolicon after meeting his nieces in another country.
Then he went back to drawing and cooming to lolis a few years later.
Really makes you think. Gross.

No. 2042890

>>2042487
I guarantee you no one outside of twitter/tik tok gives a fuck about this.

No. 2043064

>>2042763
Idk in my personal experience women who draw/consume maledom publicly are pick-me’s irl. Maybe that’s just in my own fandom though.

No. 2043422

>>2042758
It's true kek. Although you can recognize that they're not real, seeing someone posting about wanting to "rape x or y character" is quite revealing
>>2042768
>bishie
Did you read my post at all? I've never mentioned bishies once. I like bishounen boys too, and have even admitted to liking characters that are called minors sometimes. I think you think I'm accusing everyone interested in underage characters of being pedos but I'm not. I'm just saying it's weird if they look or act too young, but I'm not holding you at gun point. Sorry if I'm giving you flashbacks or something.
>>2042824
>enstars
>south park
Never mentioned any of these. Also, those characters are not written like children. I mean characters that are written like kids.

No. 2043798

I think the author was just horny my man

No. 2043803

>>2043798
fujimoto just has a very obvious femdom fetish, its baffling that people are still trying to pretend like csm is some sort of deep work about abuse instead

No. 2043812

>>2043803
men are such pussies than being topped is SA to them

No. 2043814

>>2037840
Post the game here when you finish it!

No. 2043816

>>2043798
Coomers will overanalyse this shit to death I swear. It kind of sickens me how they simp for Himeno so much especially when she is a serial groomer and almost rapes Denji.
The plot is an excuse to have fight set pieces, which is why part 2 is tanking in sales in Japan.

No. 2043869

>>2043816
>especially when she is a serial groomer and almost rapes Denji
wtf why did no one tell me csm was this based

No. 2043875

>>2043869
she pukes in his mouth too, if you're into that nonna

No. 2043882

>>2043875
if he makes denji eat her out while shes on her period i will apologize for all the years of csm slander

No. 2043885

>>2043882
sadly, no. the closest i can think of is Denji sucking on another dude's tentacle dong for money.

No. 2043887

>>2043798
I haven't read that much into part 2, but I think people making such a big deal about CSM's psychosexual stuff is actually an indictment of the way shounen treats women and sex. The whole "if I save your cat you let me touch your boobs" arc is based on the unspoken rule that Denji needs Power's consent to grope her, and Denji doesn't even try to sleaze out of the deal. I think a lot of people finding it super deep is people that are used to shounen slop where the pervert character just walks around committing sexual assault for giggles so when they see something a bit more realistic and more serious than that their brains explode.

>>2043882
Kek nonny he hasn't done that but if you keep saying that you might give Fujimoto ideas

No. 2044244

Do any other yurifags get annoyed by people calling the most male obssessed characters "lesbians suffering from comphet"? People should just let some female characters be straight. I don't expect all F/F to be goldstars but I want nothing but to have cock hungry characters out of my yuri.

No. 2044247

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The pinnacle of fandom political brain-rot has to be how, if there's a character who is a police officer or detective(even in a fantastical setting) they must automatically be labelled as a racist fascist.

No. 2044277

>>2044247
I saw this, turns out vi has been a cop in LoL since she was introduced as a champion, her title is vi the enforcer and she has a cop skin. The people crying over this are Arcane-onlys

No. 2044342

>>2044244
I hate it, I'd rather male obsessed characters be headcanoned as bi instead of "comphet lesbians". It's polilez shit.

No. 2044410

>>2044244
Not a yurifag but it's frankly retarded. And these same people will turn around and accuse you of being a exclusionist goldstar…even though the whole of point of being lesbian is liking women? lesbians don't have sexual fantasies about men, envision a future with one, but then decide they're gay becuase a woman looked at them funny.Speaking as a former fauxbian, the comphet doc has to be a disaster for ssa race.
>>2044247
have they not read the lore? There's whole wikis detailing everything surrounding vi and the entire setting. It's free.

No. 2044465

>>2044244
I am a Yurifag and yes, I despise this so much. The second thing I hate is when the manga prides itself on being a yuri, but it starts off with one girl simping for a moid, while the other girl desperately tries to get her attention. It’s degrading to see a lesbian take the role of secondary romance in a fucking Yuri

No. 2044489

>>2044244
it’s ok you can say ff7

No. 2044868

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>>2044244
Also not a yurifag but I feel this way with Nana. Hachi was hopping from man to man and gendies still whine about it being "queerbait" when it's a shoujo and the first scenes in the anime involve her going around with an older man. She's bisexual at best. I do like the pairing between her and Osaki Nana but these retards need to realise they were intended to be close friends and mabye platonic soulmates. "Compulsive heterosexuality" doesnt mean shit when characters go off and have sex with multiple guys repeatedly

No. 2044872

>>2044868
It's just stupid ass projection because people put too much emphasis and importance on individualism so they have to ALWAYS relate shit to themselves OR ELSE. That's why they think all characters must be a flavor of queer despite evidence against it.

No. 2044874

>>2044247
Leon Kennedy must make them seethe so hard

No. 2044904

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>and showing men frolicking in a field in white dresses because the evil women are dead or similar idiotic stupid shit.
maybe there's some very schizo fakeboi who's written something like this but usually the women just get shipped with another guy/girl (if they get shipped at all) in regular BL shipping/stories.

No. 2044905

>>2044868
AYRT I was thinking of Nana when writing that. I swear everyone that calls her a lesbian is just a bihet larping as a lesbian so they project onto her as a coping mechanism. Arguably they're even worse than Hachi because they're "self-aware" about being a lesbian but still tweet about lusting over men 24/7 and then blame it on comphet. Having toxic relationships with men doesn't mean you're experiencing comphet, that's just every other straight woman's experience kek. No idea why they're so allergic to her being bisexual when she acts like the average annoying bi woman that constantly talks about how wonderful girls are but only dates men.

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>>2044244
Do you mean Asuka?

No. 2044910

>>2044908
Only time this worked was with Yosuke, because he was written as bisexual anyway (just got removed for hurting male fee fees)

No. 2044912

>>2044244
Yeah. Same with the most misogynistically woman obsessed male characters being called comphet gays.
>>2044905
>I swear everyone that calls her a lesbian is just a bihet larping as a lesbian so they project onto her as a coping mechanism.
This is also my general theory about why it's so prevalent

No. 2044913

>>2044910
I guess but Yosuke is so in line with the game's general stupid tone when it comes with women that he still gets no cred from me. Sorry I'm a Persona hater kek I think it's all so faux deep without doing anything particularly bold or interesting

No. 2044915

>>2044913
I'm not really a fan either, I'm just saying that it's one of the few times the 'comphet moid who is horny for women all the time' actually tracked.

No. 2044917

>>2044247
Too real. There's a new character in a series I enjoy who is a cop and fans are all deeply enamored with him. They reconcile this by being unable to ever talk about him without prefacing it with statements about how he's so unsuited to being a cop or how it's his only flaw or etc. Suck it up and just accept that you like a cop character it's not the end of the world. He's not real. Your consumption isn't activism.

No. 2044918

>>2044915
Kek sorry for going off, you know how it can get with Yosuke discussion

No. 2044922

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>>2044918
Hahaha you're fine, the fandom take on comphet also annoys me a lot of the time too and I say this as a fujoshi.
Every now and then there's actual decent reasoning and speculation for it, but a lot of the time it just comes down to 'I LIKE THIS CHARACTER BUT THEY'RE STRAIGHT AND THAT SCARES ME' like ship whatever you want but don't act like you're somehow 'deeper' than anyone else for convincing yourself that an obviously straight/bi character is ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE COMPHET

No. 2044940

>>2044410
nta and I don't know anything about LoL, but in my experience, these types of people don't read the lore of anything. You would think with wikis things would be more accessible, but not really. We used to have to scrap the internet for info and now fandoms rely on their headcanons and twitter takes.
>>2044874
If they want to fuck the characters, they suddenly don't care about it kek

No. 2044950

>>2044247
In any case, can't these people just suspend their disbelief for .5 seconds for a fantasy setting? The paw patrol cops won't hurt you, calm down. Could've googled the character and found out the moment for arcane s1 trailer dropped and saved themselves the disappointment of watching the cop show starring Vi the Enforcer. Literally Bob the Cop, I don't know what to tell you.

No. 2044988

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>>2034365
>A fat obese black lesbian ninja in Naruto is not a practical or realistic role model
I have nothing to add to this discussion, I just find it funny that you mentioned naruto for this example

No. 2045103

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>>2040922
I genuinely have no hope for Gen Z or Alpha. Media literacy is dead and buried, there's no room for nuance. Obviously when a 30-year old is watching something like My Hero Academia where the characters and their motivations are meant to be relatable regardless of your age (proving yourself, protecting your friends, finding your place in the world, feeling slighted etc.) but they're all teenagers for the sake of convenient storytelling, you're going to find them relatable and also get invested in the relationships they have. If they were real kids whose situation you got way too into, that would be disturbing because they're not a controlled story written by an author but living, sentient beings with complex inner worlds you're not allowed access. But those other teenagers are fictional characters created and written by an adult. And I honestly don't know the extent of brain damage one has to have to put committing child abuse and """shipping minors""" in the same ballpark.

>I hate how zoomies/alphas are quick to use the "minor" card to win a disagreement or worse, cancel a person.

For some reason, maybe the influence of pedo-peddling Gen Xrs do with their Y2K revival and nymphet fetish and helicopter parenting, I don't know, zoomers are obsessed with youth and thinking of themselves as perpetual children and self-infantilize to no end. Always failing to realize that soon enough they will be in their 30's too, and they'll have to lay on the bed of fandom policing that they made. Oh no, that 16-year old character didn't grow up with you and you still like shipping Naruto and Sasuke like you did when you were 15? Too bad they're 12 and you're a pedo now. You wrote the rules!

>Why can't they just use their brain to at least argue why they think A and C wouldn't be a good pairing instead of jumping straight to cancelling a person.

I would much rather read a painfully autistic, 16-page essay about why A/C is a better ship than A/B filled with cited sources but because zoomers have a raging hate boner for millenials being invested in fiction, it's completely verboten to indulge in such behavior. I remember a Gen Z anon on Lolcow saying how she thinks it's embarrassing that Millenials care so much about "Disney and Harry Potter" instead of "real issues in the world" (and ironically enough, Zoomers themselves treat fictional people as real people and real people as cartoon characters) which speaks enough about their mindset, you have to make everything into an issue with morality to justify your opinion. That's how you get all this endless hand-wringing about muh problematic ships and muh problematic themes in media. Zoomers bitch and moan about "wokeness" ruining their fandom experience yet then turn around and post dogshit takes like this >>2040937 and get personally offended when someone headcanons their self-insert as a lesbian, I've had enough. Everyone under 25 should be banned from fandom spaces, I'm laying it down right now. When I was 16 and hanging out in fandom spaces I kept my fucking mouth shut about my age because I would've been gatekept like crazy if they knew a kid was amongst their ranks and that's how it should've stayed like. Centralized social media needs to fucking die so that the data harvesting done on teenagers stops being the greatest currency online and we don't have to tolerate their presence anymore.

No. 2045131

>>2045103
I don't know if it's prevalent in males, but the zoomie girl phobia of aging is so embarrassing and pathetic. I knew a 19 year old girl who'd talk down to people in their early 20s as "grown adults" and "at your big age." I wonder if all the mean, bitter 40 something women I've met who have been mean to me in my 20s were like that when they were 19.

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Even when you find a small, mostly pleasant fandom, tumblr still manages to do its thing. Like sure, just ignore the actual lesbian representation in the show and insist that the genderless robot is a lesbian.

No. 2045146

>>2045131
Those types are funny, they don't seem to realize that everyone ages, you just know one day they're gonna wake up and have a crisis when they notice an extra wrinkle on their face.

No. 2045157

>>2044244
Honestly I don't fucking care because I don't browse twitter and keep myself to true yurifag circles only instead of pretentious normie gendie circles.

No. 2045161

>>2045103
Well said anon. I actually saw a study that claimed zoomers are the generation most likely to fall for extremist views kek. It explains a lot.

No. 2045227

>>2033958
These people have literally been on the internet since infancy, yet still fall for the most obvious rage bait. She's literally posted that Arizona has no sushi or thrift stores how do people possibly think she's being serious kek

No. 2045280

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Wtf is comphet

No. 2045285

>>2045280
compulsive heterosexuality, when a gay person tries to convince themselves they're straight and/or are in denial of their sexuality. In fandom it's just used to dismiss a character isn't bi or canon pairing but actually gay/lesbian and with my preferred ship

No. 2045288

>>2045285
Thank you

Whats the point of going through all the gymnastics? Its not like amyone has ever had an issue taking two straight men who are friends & making them gay.

No. 2045321

>>2045288
That's not politically correct anymore, you need to have schizophrenic delusions about what happens in canon or else you're not allowed to ship blorbo and stinko. Sorry.

No. 2045345

>>2045288
I think it's mainly two reasons. One, zoomies are obsessed with representation and seeing themselves in fiction and for whatever reason think they can't relate to a character unless they share every microidentity with that character. Two, simply being delusional about your headcanons is lame now and gives you zero authority in discussion. If you're able to insist your headcanon is plausible/semi-canon that gives you free reign to shit on anyone who doesn't agree and puts you in the superior position; you can brag about how "media literate" you are and everyone else is some phobe/ist.

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>>2045288
People just really like being pretentious about shit. Weirdly despite gay ships making up the vast majority of fandom 99% of the time when I see someone bring up comphet it's for a lesbian ship/character.

No. 2045374

>>2045288
It's not about having fun anymore, it's all about arguing over how canon your favorite non-canon pairing is with strangers online. In Hachi's case, arguing that's she's bi and doesn't even realize it because she's much more attracted to men would make a lot more sense than arguing she's a lesbian in denial.

No. 2045389

>>2045354
these people should stop begging and just draw/write their own stuff. Oh wait, they do but not even their fellow gendies care.

No. 2045392

>>2045389
To be fair I respect people who continue writing what they want even if they know literally no one cares

No. 2045404

>>2045392
same, but in the case of gendies they do get what they want and they still dont watch it. They pretty much ruined western media with their tranny cocksucking and they still refuse to give a shit. Crap like guardian spice and deadendia is tailor made for them but they still insist on ruining anime with their tranny headcanons

No. 2045407

>>2045285
also the person who wrote the comphet doc eventually admitted that she's not gay but just bi kek

No. 2045437

>>2045392
Theres a certain freedom in being the only person creating material for a ship

No. 2045466

>>2045404
Maybe deep down, these so-called diverse pieces of media just aren't that good? Why want what "cishets" have been enjoying since time immemorial only now they're more overt over it. They want queer rep in shows they like becuase in the end, they like the same stuff they do but won't voice why they like it besides "it's so valid".

No. 2045487

>>2044906
I support lesbian Asuka truthers because as insane as they sound they will never have a fraction of the degeneracy of your average moid waifufag. If it makes them seethe I don't care KEK

No. 2045504

>>2045487
Still retarded but it's a cute sort of retarded so it's fine.

No. 2045527


No. 2045542

>>2045354
I really, really, really can't see comphet as more than a nuh-uh most of the time. But at that point just say nuh-uh instead of your cope headcanon because a character's sexuality causes you genuine mental anguish. But I'm going to be honest I can't handle sexuality speculation anymore whether what's being argued for is gay or straight characters. It's too tiring and 99% of people doing it currently are insane individuals.

No. 2045625

This literal who moid made a commentary on Twinbuns. I guess anyone can make videos these days and get views because he completely went off track and brought up some of the most retarded points ever.
>starts off the video with a clip of Twinbun's "asianfishing" and she's just wearing a jfashion outfit and has straight bangs
>autistically seethes over bakudeku even though it has nothing to do with twinbuns, mad fujos ship them because "they're canonically straight" as if noone is allowed to use their imagination anymore
>"yao eye"
>whines about women writing BL because it's "weird and objectifying" gay men while being a straight man himself
>jojos fan
How are you going to make a video on a topic you don't even bother to research about kekk. I guess showrunners should just cease to make characters that are in any way different from them because it's objectifying now apparently. They love doing mental gymnastics to justify their hateboners for her when 10 years ago she would've been some standard weeb noone cares about. Genuinely don't know how they see her as asian

No. 2045628

>>2045625
That person looks and sounds like an FtM

No. 2045629

>>2045625
Anon I'm like 95% sure that's a troon.

No. 2045634

>>2045628
I thought you were right but he is a dude KEK, I found his ig with photos of him shirtless and there's no scars

No. 2045646

>>2045634
I can't find the IG, could you post screenshots anon?

No. 2045657

>>2045625
>whines about women writing BL because it's "weird and objectifying" gay men while being a straight man himself
these people are on a mission to make yaoi sound based

No. 2045679

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>>2045646
@louismcclung

No. 2045687

>>2045679
THIS CAN'T BE REAL TELL ME YOU'RE LYING NONNIE

No. 2045691

>>2045679
I'm genuinely shocked because he's like the most FTM-looking and sounding man I have ever seen in my life, no joke. But apparently it's a fuckboy who didn't have enough success with shirtless selfies so he found his niche in parroting overly regurgitated hypervigilant fandom discourse 3 years late for all the 13-year olds.

No. 2045740

>>2045691
No idea who that is but I've seen surgery results where there were no scars so it's possible.

No. 2045744

>>2045679
I refuse to believe this is an actual male. It’s a photoshopped chest like that one blonde fattie who does medieval shoots, right????

No. 2045758

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>>2045625
>Deku
>Canonically straight
I'm not a shounenfag but that seems like a cope kek.

No. 2045765

>>2045744
True but his build looks pretty male from the back as well in the corner. It might just be a man who's feminine in the face for whatever reason.

No. 2045768

>>2045765
Yeah he doesn’t seem FtM to me just short and autistic.

No. 2045781

>>2045354
Full offense but I don't trust male shounen writers to understand what "comphet" (a second wave feminism concept) is enough to write it effectively or respectfully. Write your own fics and webcomics.

No. 2045791

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>>2045768
Speaking of autistic, why are most of his instagram photos him in a shitty dingy room putting his hand out?

No. 2045802

>>2045758
That's just a part of being a shameless celebrity tbf

No. 2045829

>>2045791
Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure and it’s consequences

No. 2045876

>>2045625
Watching, already starting to have notes
>Cliche intro of 'DON'T HARASS THIS PERSON ONLY I GET TO HARASS THEM BECAUSE I'M A YOUTUBER'
>video example of Asianfishing is just random white women
>twinbuns is Asianfishing because…she makes videos about Japan? As if this is somehow a new concept that's exclusive to her
>Jojo is a shit tier manga
>for some reason he claims anime isn't part of Japanese culture even though it very clearly is, it'd be claiming Disney isn't a part of American culture kek
>says yaoi in the most racist way humanly possible
>Imagine thinking Bakugo and Deku are straight
>Some random con clip of a dub voice actor as if that means anything
>For some reason he thinks bara and BL are related genres just because they have gay men in them while forgetting that BL is a subgenre of shoujo
>ignores that the majority of bara doesn't even have a fuckin plot
>immediately lies because he can't properly type Japanese by saying 'YOU CAN'T FIND IT ON GOOGLE' as if lolicon manga isn't extremely easy to find on google
>ignores that plenty of people watch horror purely to see gore effects for entertainment
>also ignores that BL has plenty of well written stories and writes off the entire genre (totally not racist and misogynistic guys)
>says she needs to go to therapy for uh…yaoi meanwhile he's screaming at her and batting for bnha characters
>Nitpick but he has a minecraft shirt with makes me like 90% sure he's a groomer projecting

No. 2045996

>>2045679
he's cute ngl he should shave off that dumb moustache

No. 2046049

>>2045876
>Nitpick but he has a minecraft shirt with makes me like 90% sure he's a groomer projecting
Oh for sure, this kind of an asshole is the one you'll see numerous callout posts for in a few years outing him for having sexually harassed and manipulated 16-year olds to send him nudes on his Discord server. Ticks all the boxes with beating the dead horse discourse, clickbait videos, overdramatic callouts, intentional misunderstanding of the source for a more dramatic effect, sperging about fujos and an abundance of shirtless photos.

No. 2046056

>>2045625
I couldn't watch this video for more than 10 seconds, his voice is too annoying.

No. 2046092

>>2045791
fucking kek the minecraft quilt

No. 2046094

>>2045625
I feel so sorry for this girl. At least she's in Japan having fun while their detractors are greasy manlets stuck in minecraft themed rooms, but it must suck doing literally nothing and still getting haydurrs.
>>2045679
>38 likes
pathetic

No. 2046120

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>>2045791
>last pic
Every time I see this pose I think about this cosplay

No. 2046131

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I joined a niche fandom recently and made a good mutual friend, who I’ve been bouncing back and forth smut ideas with a lot. Recently they randomly asked me when I’m going to write a trans![insert our favourite character] fic, as if it was a question of WHEN I’m going to do it, irrespective of whether I wanted to or not. Obviously I fucking don’t. But how the hell do you respond to that kind of query without outing yourself? It’s like these people deliberately phrase it as a trap; a weaker person than myself would have just caved already out of fear. How should I non-suspiciously tell them to knock it the fuck off? This person is likeable otherwise, plus the fandom is tiny, so I don’t want to lose our friendship.

No. 2046140

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and this one is ftm
inspired by Henry Bowers?

No. 2046145

>>2046131
Say that seeing dick/vagina (depending on which flavor of trans she wants you to make the character) triggers your dysphoria and you can't write a fic like that without having a panic attack. Don't worry about it not making any sense, those people are used to accepting anything a self-proclaimed trans person says without question.

No. 2046153

>>2046120
I hate that I knew what this was from before even reading the text.

No. 2046154

>>2046131
Say that you don't feel like you'd be able to accurately portray their transness and feel that it would be better to leave that sort of thing to a trans author, especially when it comes to the delicate intricacies of smut (lol). Use Own Voices/lived-experiences/representation logic against them, usually works and makes your dismissal seem like it comes from a place of concern for marginalised groups rather than disgust.

No. 2046179

>>2045791
This is clearly a tif who cannot grow a beard and has a mustache to not be misgendered, not to mention the plushies.

No. 2046182

>>2046131
I'd rather lose the friendship if I were you.

No. 2046184

>>2046154
ding ding ding this is the correct answer.

No. 2046281

>>2046131
I’ve been in similar situations recently and tbh, being honest and saying “I don’t see the character like that” is a good way to handle it. Just say you don’t like the headcanon, you don't need to lie about it. If they’re a decent friend at all they’ll respect you.

No. 2046292

>>2046145
This one made me kek but unfortunately I think they use some ‘it’s transphobic to imply that a trans man with a vagina isn’t valid’ retarded logic these days. Not the optimal response.
>>2046154
This one is good, I should have gone with it. Seems pretty clean cut.
>>2046281
And this is ultimately the one I went with. I might have been a bit soft with it but I think they got the message. Thank you nonas

No. 2046339

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>>2045679
There's a kind of top surgery called keyhole. In this method the doctor places an anchor or a keyhole shaped incision around the areola extending to the underside of the breast. Then a small device is inserted to melt fat and a low power vacuum is used to extract it. After this is done the area is stitched up reducing the breast size. It doesn't leave any scars at all. But they're only done when the breasts are small (A or B cups at most). Usually the nipples may look botched but they end up healing well and may look normal. She seems low body fat in that picture so it makes sense the surgery would have good results. She acts like a TIF and looks like one so I'm sure she is. Trust your instincts nonnas.

No. 2046344

>>2045625
nonnies it's obvious this is a tif.

No. 2046345

>>2046339
i am surprised its a lesbian tif though, you would expect them to be the fakeboi mlm type

No. 2046349

>>2046339
The reason so many TIFs do the worst tit chops and they scar so bad is because they are fatasses who can't have this surgery performed on them, they don't know the options, they like the scarring or they have terrible hygiene and can't take care of themselves so the scars always look worse than if they took care of them.
Best way for a TIF to pass is not to say she's a TIF, not to be extremely short, voice train (they never do it, I know some who have and they don't have that froggy voice), exercise, dress like a man, have manly interests and hang out with men. Which they never accomplish.

No. 2046350

>>2045625
I feel so bad for her. She literally does nothing wrong and gets hated for just being a woman into J-Fashion.

No. 2046352

>>2046345
HSTS maybe. If there's a male equivalent, there's a female equivalent.

No. 2046361

>>2045625
TIF JJ Mccullough? Never thought I'd see the day…

No. 2046362

>>2046131
This is always a pain. I recently made a friend in a very niche fandom and she at least doesn't feel the need to insert troons into her fanfic, but recently she brought up the topic of gender identity (as in apologizing for correctly assuming my "gender") I find this frankly hilarious and adorable, because her wording makes it obvious she has correctly recognized that I'm female and now she's just asking if I have a special identity lmao. Though this gives me hope that she's just a normie and not into gender bullshit big time. I'm esl and eurofag so I think I'll go with pretending to be stupid and say I'm not into the whole gender discussion and don't know what's that about.

No. 2046364

>>2045679
Obvious shop, the wall panels behind the arm aren’t even aligned. On the screen in the back it looks like she just has her small tits out kek

No. 2046376

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>Lying this hard when he spent a large portion of the video yelling about Bakudeku
I really hope he gets cancelled by these retards kek.

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>>2046376
>my problem is sexualizing underage characters
Then why would you watch mha in the first place? It's such bullshit to anyone with eyeballs.

No. 2046388

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>>2046385
why do these people even watch anime?

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>>2046376
LMAOOO

No. 2046392

>>2046391
Hahaha fuckin' loser is already backtracking because he knows he fucked up.

No. 2046395

>>2046391
faggot barely has 100k subs and is already cracking under pressure of the gendie fanbase she cultivated

No. 2046447

>>2046376
KEK I wonder if he would have a "problem with sexualizing underage characters" if they were shipping them in heterosexual relationships.

No. 2046451

>>2046447
Clearly not since he's fine with MHA having constant fanservice for the female characters.

No. 2046452

>>2046376
I find the "characters never say they're straight they're just assumed that" retarded as fuck kek it's technically true but they always follow it up with "therefore the character could be gay/bi canonically" which is just stupid. It also makes no sense for a character to randomly declare their sexuality be it announcing they're straight or saying "I only like women" because scenarios where they'd be prompted to do that rarely happen especially in a shounen anime when people just want to see villains get beat up. So dumb how fandoms abandoned simply being shameless with headcanons and now they pull this erm actually shit.

No. 2046467

>>2046451
Teenage girls being treated like sex objects? That's just how it is! Teenage boys being portrayed kissing? PEDOS GET THE ROPE

No. 2046529

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>>2045280
>>2045354
Compulsory heterosexuality was coined by Adrienne Rich in the 1970s (later published in the 80s) to explain the social, political, and economic conditioning of women in patriarchy to think that marriage (to a male) and motherhood are inevitable. Her answer to this was that all women should be political lesbians who are unavailable to men because partnering with men undermines their feminism. She even separated real lesbians versus political lesbian feminists. The "lesbian existence" was primarily about "erotic and emotional choices made by women", and "lesbian continuum" (woman-identification as opposed to heterosexual-identified/male-identified women) included all activities relating to boosting women up socially, politically, and economically. This included activities like African women's trading networks. So it was very broad and not largely related to sexuality at all. Although I know that many bi women political-lesbians did actually have sex with other women because they wrote about how fun it was, and then had to fight for the custody rights of their kids they had with their exhusbands within the law when the law actively worked to disadvantage women more than it does now.

Basically "comphet" has always meant "straight/bi woman who identifies as a lesbian but is not actually lesbian." and fandoms (who are always spouting off how they "hate terfs!!1!" and how ~all cis lesbians are terfy~) appropriated this radfem terminology for some insane reason, probably to do their 5 minutes of femslash activism (akin to briefly acknowledging the awkward bullied kid in the schoolyard and sympathetically wondering how she got that way) before they continue flicking it to yaoi characters being drilled on mrm while they publish male/ftm under the m/m category on ao3 like a catholic at confession. Respect to them or whatever but I wish they'd STFU because they fill up the lesbian tags with their BS but never draw or write anything. It's all performance. Probably out of guilt of being the absolute most useless members of fandom that nobody likes, not even their discord friends can stand them, and I know this because their friends have DM'd me just to complain about them kek.

(Also no hate to actual fujos btw I think normie fujos are fun to hang out with.)

No. 2046546

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>>2046529
That's pretty funny since the yurifag who I see using it the most is a tranny.

No. 2046745

I fucking hate hazbin hotel, but I’ll never understand “critics” entitlement to the show because (specifically the male) characters are mostly skinny and twinkish for lack of a better term. Part of it is applying realism onto fictional characters (ie: saying angel dusts alcoholic boyfriend should be fat because he drinks a lot) and another part seething because not every character is a bi black tranny amputee fat vitiligo furry with s/h scars. The funniest part is hazbin hotel is already a pretty woke show, yet these new gen tumblrtards still find a way to seethe over it. What gives?

No. 2046773

>>2046745
i remember when people were losing their shit at satan being a qte blonde manlet twink instead of some ugly bald roided bara like all the other satan interpretations. Its so annoying because no one complains about satan's daughter being all cutesy and waifubait(it actually makes more sense her dad is cute too), but god forbid vivzie wants to draw some twinks for the tumblrinas.

No. 2046915

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>>2046529
> yaoi characters being drilled on mrm

No. 2047056

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>>2046773
In the judeo-christian mythos, Lucifer is basically the first twink or one of the first twinks of history. It's something Hazbin actually takes from religion (most of the time it just does its own thing), so you know whoever's complaining is just complaining for the sake of it. They try so hard to find morally right reasons to hate on Hazbin from their insane gendie lefty POVs, but they really can't because the show is the most inoffensive kiddie adult cartoon ever (it also preaches rather christian moral lessons lmao), so they make up the most ridiculous and inane shit just to have the moral high ground over Vivziepop and her sparkledogs.

(Picrel is Lucifer from Shin Megami Tensei 1 who's even twinkier than Hazbin Hotel's; never heard anyone complain about him).

No. 2049513

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Is it me or did anyone else remember this character making moids seethe? What was up with that?

No. 2049540

>>2049513
Akechi kun? Everyone I know liked him

No. 2049556

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>>2049513
Moids hate him and his fanbase consists of lesbian fujos, making him the peak moid character of all time.

>character revolves around him being a mommas boy and le revenge for mom

>hates his dad
>murders another shitty dad character who tried to sex traffic his own daughter, though he didn’t know this but it still makes him based

goro is based. I rest my case.

No. 2049568

>>2049513
because the game fujobaits him hard with moids' self insert

No. 2049641

>>2049556
>Wah wah wah, cool motive still murder!!
They always say that retarded Brooklyn 99 line when others say they like him. So much coping and seething when people state they like Goro. Haru's dad is a fucking cunt and Haru hardly exist as a character anyway. And the Futaba pedos cry too because he killed her mom. Whatever, Goro makes moids mald and tells dreamer faggots like Maruki to fuck off.

No. 2049652

>>2049641
Sage for retardation but there’s a mini game involving the feather men in universe series that heavily implies goro was experimented on and worked in tandem with futabas mom, and neither of them knew the consequences of the metaverse then. Meaning goro killing futabas mom most likely was an experiment to see what would happen. I think the whole narrative of him being a victim of circumstance, and to “le evil adults” is what actually made me empathize with him more than I would with moid characters specifically because he was a victim of circumstances to the evil men in his life, like his father and his lackeys. That and his mom being a victim of having to do SW for survival + his anger at the injustice society had done to her but also respect for all she did for him in that one confidant scene, all to me is very female gaze-y and like a woman wrote it. it also helps that moids seethe so hard over him being the really obvious gay bait for the protag that makes me like him more out of spite kek.

No. 2049656

>>2049652
Same fag I hate the term sex work as it sounds way too normal for something so evil that commodifies women, put prostitution sounded too harsh idk just know I’m not a libfem retard

No. 2049674

>>2049513
They hate the fact that he has more character depth and relevancy than any of the cardboard waifus while the mc they self-insert as canonically cares more about him than any other character as implied by Royal's 3rd semester arc and bad ending. Akechi and Shuake continue to be relevant long after Persona 5's heyday and Atlus will continue to pander to fujoshi because of it.

No. 2049679

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>>2049674
You’re so based Nona

No. 2049798

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you are all so smart. goro is the deepest thing persona 5 could squeeze out of itself ever since release.

you can also tell he's the favourite of rokurou saito (who did the spinoff manga mementos mission and picrel)

really hes just a mega cutie and his tragic angst makes me love him so much.

No. 2049880

>>2049641
It’s funny, because the same moids that cry about akechi are usually adachi fans and even defend him. Adachi is my favorite persona character but just something to think about

No. 2049903

>>2049513
They hate him because he's a good-looking clever bishonen that has more plot relevancy (he's the main antagonist up until a certain point) than any of their waifus and the MC canonically cares for him even if players choose to not do his confidant (in vanilla P5 you didn't really have a choice since it was automatic). In the game he has all these details in his design and lore that mirror the MC and this doesn't happen with the other characters. In Royal his showtime with Joker has writings on the signs in the background saying "Prodigal sons" and "Two sides same coin", Atlus decided to really push the fujobait with them and it made moids seethe so hard kek. Idc what the personafags say, I still think Persona 5 was good only because of him and otherwise it would have absolutely sucked. Atlus knew this too and decided to bring him back for Royal and tbh it's laughable how they were trying to put the red-haired mary-sue as equal to him, it only made her look even lamer.

>>2049652
The fact that they added a whole new minigame cleverly hinting at this (the name of the scientist that can be read as Wakaba, the grey featherman symbolizing Goro against the other feathermen who are the thieves, all of this connecting to the cut content of Wakaba's silhouette as the master of a palace and her concept art where she's shown experimenting on people) is insane to me, the women on the team really went off. How he does not have his own little game is a mistery.

No. 2049905

>>2049903
Samefag, from a gameplay standpoint he's quite OP when he's in your team and in vanilla P5 his boss battle fucks you up, so more seething from the moids.

No. 2049980

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Bridgerton discourse is:
>book fans seething about "francesca being a lesbian"
>bisexuals seething about "lesbians erasing francesca's bisexuality"
>bisexuals seething about "Ben's actor calling his character pansexual"
Happy pride month

No. 2049984

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No. 2049989

>>2049980
>creator/person within production likens x aspect of a character to y thing while waffling about it (possibly says something more complex or contradictory to y), does not concretely state x = y
>illiterate fandom retards: Character's x = y confirmed!

I'm so tired of this in general tbh

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No. 2050019

>>2046529
So funny how fandom girls circled back to polilez, with all the aroace lesbians I see despite being so allergic of anything radfem.

No. 2050069

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i hate these people with a passion, have we fallen so low we are using a fucking war for clout?

No. 2050178

>>2050019
I can't unsee the polilez similarities when so-called ace lesbians shclick to yaoi but swear on their mother's grave they're totes gay, pussies are just gross but since it's intersectional and woke, it gets a pass without question. What ever happened to "if pussies turn you on, you're lesbian"? Too exclusive? Little too terfy? Is sex so sinful that lesbians actually enjoying sex is a oxymoron to them? But oh wait, SSA lady sex don't count because no peen. Kek…

No. 2050190

>>2049980
Downton had the same issues as this series, modern sensibilities with an old world pastiche and it drives me up the wall. Of course they’re going to highlight whatever characters they want and ignore the canon; sucks for the fans if they speak out they’re racist or sexist et al. I haven’t read the books but from what I saw it’s even more modern than Downton, like Marie Antionette (Copolla version). Period pieces used to look like they were set apart (look at the fabric and fashion for example) and now it looks cheap and tired.

No. 2050206

>>2046350
J fashion always moves fast, maybe moreso today than in the past b/c of social media but I really like older looks; I don’t even know if they’re still popular anywhere. Looks like classic Lolita (kuro/shiro/dandy), Decora, Mori, Cyber Goth, and more. I don’t see why she’s hated for dressing in a fun way.

No. 2050224

>>2049880
Never fails. Moid Adachifags will worship the ground Adachi walks on and reams his asshole without a thought, but cry little bitch tears when Goro is mentioned. Murder is only based with their incel supreme does it actually.

No. 2050237

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>>2050178
Reminds me of this, a perfectly normal pair of gfs.

No. 2050260

>>2050237
this is just fucking friendship kek

No. 2050268

I really cannot stand how easy it is for "proshippers" (who are mostly minor girls/ftms) to defend lolicon/shotocon and to see adult men in the same spaces. If you go on tiktok and search up nekopara, you can easily see 13-14 year olds associating in these spaces and adult men following them. People are so adamant on defending the "anti" shit, but are forgetting that fandom spaces are including kids, and as much as we blame the parents, these people never seem to blame grown men following kids in these spaces. I do not think women liking anime characters is the same thing as men, but let's be honest, men are different from women who consume such media. Women in these spaces are so adamant on defending the men in these spaces and keeping other women in check in fandom spaces, that they're not even noticing what's happening under their nose. I had to call out a 20 something year old following a 14 year old girl in these kind of spaces talking about how she wanted to get groomed. I keep seeing posts that are like "KEEP MINORS OUT OF FANDOMS!! KEEP MINORS OUT OF ___"?? Like, that's not going to stop the pedophiles in your spaces going after kids.

No. 2050270

>>2050260
Tbf that sort of friendship is rare enough nowadays I'm not surprised some people can't understand what it is without thinking it's some sort of romance.

No. 2050375

>>2050019
I was mutuals with an aroace lesbian once. Her "sexuality" could be summed up into being an online shut-in that only wants to be friends with women, probably because she's uncomfortable with men and constantly calling her favorite male character a lesbian. Which isn't a problem in itself, but with the current zeitgeist where the more microlabels you have the more social currency you gain it just leads people to identifying as the most retarded shit. Autigender greyace lesbian is the new celibate husbandofag.

No. 2050558

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I never thought I'd see someone calling NaruSasu incest, what an insane take.

No. 2050645

>>2050558
That post might be bait but when is the shipwar meta going to change from making up incest to try and harass people? kek

No. 2051074

>>2050270
It's not, but they don't touch enough grass to know imo.

No. 2051119

>>2050237
Oh hey, I know this person. She's active in the French Revolution fandom on Tumblr and also posts comics about her experience with autism. Those two facts should tell you all that you need to know, kek.

No. 2051131

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>>2050558
Leave sasunaru alone lmao

No. 2051139

>>2050558
because of kishimoto making sasuke and naruto reincarnated space ninja brothers destined to be opposites or some shit thanks to the movies kek naruto became a shitshow

No. 2051141

>>2046131
That will sound hurtful but please drop that friendship nona. A person who supports troonism is not a good friend.

No. 2051153

>>2046131
Say you will make it next week, then forget. Or do write it but make sure it's your shittiest fanfic so far so they never ask you for such a request ever again

No. 2051164

>>2049903
My favorite female character in P5 is Sae and I'm sure she's writte. the way she is because she's not a love interest so the writers weren't limiting themselves to just making her one of the good guys whose character development doesn't matter because hers is directly linked to the main story instead of optional and linked to a confident you can complete whenever you want. This is also exactly why Akechi is well written in comparison to most of the playable characters and why he's so loved by the fandom. He has surprising twists that aren't all about worshipping the MC, his how story is plot relevant instead of some side thing like Makoto wanting to befriend some classmate because they both like Hello Kitty or some shit, and it's obvious the writers had a lot more freedom when writing Akechi. There are more female Atlus employees now so maybe P6 will try to have more female characters who are actually important and who aren't exclusively good people for the sake of not making social links/confidents easier to write.

No. 2052594

>>2049556
Goro is so fucking based and I love him, absolute peak male character as you said. He was the only character not kissing the retarded waifubait Marysue's ass in Royal too and his and Joker's detective&thief dynamic made moids seethe so hard Atlus is too scared to confirm his alive status for good.

>>2049652
>>2049903
This.

No. 2052607

>>2050237
How isn't this just friendship? I know sex isn't always a necessity in a relationship but becoming extremely uncomfortable and repulsed with bodily contact included with a lack of physical attraction comes off to me as more of some trauma response or simply not being attracted to this gender. I knew a girl who used to completely lack a sex drive but she saw sex as equal to a hug or a handshake, she didn't desire it but she didn't have a panic attack when it came up.

>>2050178
As an actual fujolesbian I hate these people so much because they lead you on bragging about being the gayest bitch around but when push comes to shove, pussy doesn't suffice and women are only good for emotional support and as caregivers like in that comic above, not for sex or serious relationships. They're the kind who self insert all the time and after they get a boyfriend when nearing 30 they turn on fujos and relentlessly complain about straight content not being popular enough in fandoms.

No. 2052677

>>2051164
Sae is also a favourite of mine. A shame they had to sexualize her in her palace but she's a cool villain there too and I really love her monster boss form. You're right in saying that her not being romanceable leaves space for actual character depth and growth, while the waifus may be nice (but not too much tbh) in the main story but their character gets destroyed during their confidants because they turn into blushing shy uwu giwls thirsting over the MC (because god forbid males don't have romance content involving a doormat that kisses their self-insert's asses) and then once their arcs are over they almost disappear. Kasumi going "senpai" every two minutes was the most grating thing.
>Makoto
To this day I still don't know why so many moids latched onto her. Among the female team members she's the blandest one who also has an annoying ass voice that you're forced to hear 24/7 in battle once she joins. She's pushed as the clever one but she only repeats what everyone says calmly and makes basic observations. Her social link sucked, her arc sucked and her non-existent growth sucked. You can't show a person finally freeing themselves of strict social norms/high expectations, going ham and dropping the good girl act and then… go back at making her the good girl with perfect grades who respects everyone. Akechi also does this but successfully.

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No. 2052961

>>2052950
>kirby
>markiplier
i need to know more of this autismo lore. How the fuck do you get triggered by the pink ball baby game.

No. 2052963

>>2052961
I was just about to ask this kek. The among us one too? How does it "trigger dysphoria" the characters are blobs

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>>2052961
I have no idea, I just randomly found this person on a VN server and I have no idea what gender they are (they say she/her pronouns, so it's possibly a really strange flavor of agp?)

No. 2052968

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>>2052965
Definitely a guy, first time I've seen a guy into DID larping though damn.

No. 2053000

>>2052968
insane levels of shit taste only a moid could have, i cant believe he's almost 30

No. 2053035

>>2050237
>>2050260
>>2052607
This reminds me of that one 'asexual transman' and her wife, who essentially lived as long-term roommates and best friends until the wife realized she wanted kids at some point, leading to their breakup. I suspect neither of these women were ever gay, they met on Tumblr as teenagers and decided they didn't want to be "icky straight white people"

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>>2053035
samefag, this is her

No. 2053049

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>>2044247
It's amazing how retarded any discussion about procop/acab regarding fictional characters can get.

No. 2053066

>>2053041
They were only “together” a few months? That didn’t last long. They usually turn out like Noelle Stevenson and her wife, a confused maybe lesbian to trans pipeline because her maybe bi gf now wife strung her along (thanks to an open relationship with her bf and probably still wants a man) and now they’re “happily” married. Her comics are wild.

No. 2053067

>>2053041
>if i stop being funny, i die
so she's posting from the great beyond?

No. 2053074

>>2053066
>They were only “together” a few months?
They were together for 7 years and divorced seven months ago (from the comic's publication)

No. 2053077

>>2053074
That has more gravity but it’s not conveyed at all in that comic; but again I hadn’t heard of it until it was posted here.

No. 2053124

>>2053074
samefag, I meant to write that they were together for 9 years, not 7

No. 2053153

>>2052677
>You can't show a person finally freeing themselves of strict social norms/high expectations, going ham and dropping the good girl act and then… go back at making her the good girl with perfect grades who respects everyone. Akechi also does this but successfully.
God, this. Nothing about Makoto changes once she becomes a phantom thief, she continues being just the same uppity goody two shoes person she always was, never really talking back to her sister, still being a teachers' pet and a doormat, the only thing she really does is getting the data from Sae's laptop and that was only out of necessity and Futaba did all of the actual work to begin with. The same happened with Kasumi, her entire character arc was "stop living in your sister's shadow" and then… she just goes back to skinwalking her sister just the same. Meanwhile Akechi becomes an entirely new character post his mask off part and it sticks. I honestly fucking hate how lousy the writing for most female characters is yet we're supposed to pretend like it isn't and that we just have to fix it in our headcanons instead of demanding better.

No. 2053228

>>2052677
I wish makoto had a similar demeanor change with her arc like goro and embraced being abrasive AKA dropping the good girl act. I initially thought that was the direction she was going and I was so hype for an aggressive, bossy, smart female character but noooo. You can only have lovable bitchy characters be moids… I love goro but my girl makoto deserved that treatment too. I hate her as a character but I love her hypothetical potential. We need a rewrite of the game but by autistic fans they’ll get that shit right.

No. 2053230

>>2053228
Samefag, autistic **FEMALE fans kek

No. 2053332

>>2052968
I've seen tons of tumblr mtfs that claim to be "systems," maybe they're just less prevalent on twitter

No. 2053547

>>2050069
They only care because it is currently the mainstream issue that you constantly see on the news. Once it fell out of relevancy (i.e Russia-Ukraine, BLM), they will move on to the next issue for activism clout. There were waves of palestine activism long ago and its just the same as now, performative and self-serving. There's nothing wrong with being aware of worldwide news, but making it your entire personality? You're better off shooting people there if you want to show you really care.

No. 2053588

>>2053049
god can't people just admit to liking things anymore? also kek at mindhunter being 'copaganda' when so much of it is about how insane the MC is and how no one really knows what the fuck they're doing and gets shit wrong. It's also weird to frame media where the targets are only serial killers, who do truly monstrous things, as being propaganda– it's not like the show is about punishing petty criminals and druggies or something (saying this because those are the types I see these people bring up as being unfairly handled by the police), and it even tries to be sensitive about racial issues while also being period accurate (whether you think it succeeds or not, point is that you'd think these people would see the effort if not appreciate it). Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mindhunter pre-date the true crime streaming boom as well?

Anyway, hope it does come back, it was a fun show

No. 2053731

>>2044247
League fans have basically been predicting this since Arcane came out. I love seeing them correct Arcane fans by going “she’s not a piltover officer she’s THE pullover officer”
It’s going to make for fun internet fights i guess

No. 2053749

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This is deeply offensive .

No. 2053759

>>2053749
What's offensive? It's not some genderbend cosplay of the female characters, the cosplayers are dressed as these two gay guys from JJK.

No. 2053764

How do you people even participate in "fandom"? I recently got into a fandom after many years of only consuming old things. First thing first, if you follow any of these people on Tumblr they're always genderspecials. They're all very obviously women but none of them will admit to it. Recently there is this gender meme on Tumblr where you pick your gender out of a series of squares and literally nobody is just a normal woman?? I followed these people because they wrote fics and I thought they seemed normal, but then you go on their page and they're reblogging their headcanons for trans!character or vile fanart where the character has mastectomy scars. Are people more normal on Twitter? Maybe some people have a higher tolerance for this stuff but I will never willingly talk to a tranny

No. 2053773

>>2053764
>Are people more normal on Twitter?
Normal, non mentally nerds tend to lay low on twitter so good luck finding them in English speaking and just western spaces in general. They'll have a few followers or have private accounts. The more vocal fans are the exact same ones you described and tend to have a lot of followers, post way too much for them to not be neets, and younger, clueless fans will think everything they say is true and canon just because they say shit without any reliable sources or word their headcanons like they're an academic thesis.

No. 2053813

>>2053764
Step 1: Don't be involved in fandoms for literal 15-year olds.

No. 2053848

>>2053813
What do you mean by "for 15yo"? Fandoms are communities of fans so you can't know how the fans are without interacting with them a little. If you mean "liking series or games made for a 15yo audience" then it's a separate matter and it really doesn't mean much because some series are popular enough that they have plenty of adult fans so if you're into popular shonen manga or anime and you know what you're doing you can potentially interact with only adult fans. And sometimes you have shitty brats posting about trans headcanons online about series oe video games explicitly made for adults.

No. 2053855

>>2053813
I'm in a fandom for old people and plenty of women on tumblr are still genderspecials. You wouldn't know unless you went on their profiles and saw the he/him bio though, they don't post gendie shit, act like obvious women with zero attempt to be masculine, seem perfectly mature and normal otherwise, etc. It's actually bizarre, and it's so offensive to me that these women don't want to be called women even if they make zero attempt to be anything else… it's so obvious they just think it's an inferior thing to be. They don't seem to care about being male but they sure as hell don't want to be an icky boring woman.

No. 2053871

>>2053855
Yes this is exactly what irks me. Like if you're going to fully commit to being a tranny I can at least respect the effort you put into assuming this new identity. These people are so clearly women but for some reason they have to identify as some special gender? It's so beyond cringe especially because most of them are in their 20s or even older. If they were just kids I would find it funny but these are grown women saying "ooh my gender is in the C4 square but actually sometimes I feel like a B3"

No. 2053880

>>2053813
15 years olds insert themselves into every fandom, no matter what the media is targeted to. If they think it's cool and edgy they'll show up eventually. There's nothing safe from them.

No. 2053896

>>2053764
If you want fandom to be tranny-free you might as well give up. Even if you manage to avoid following troons everyone else is a troon supporter so there's no point. The best thing you can do is not care about interacting with fandom as a whole and instead make a couple friends with the same interests. Every crypto I know doesn't involve themselves in fandom or a specific "subtwitter" of a series, they just have a vetted circle of friends that aren't crazy gendies. It takes awhile but it's worth it.

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Has anyone noticed the uptick in yaoi vs yuri sperging lately? I've been seeing so many posts that read exactly like this in the last few weeks, and all of them spawn tons of discourse in the comments and quote retweets

No. 2053922

>>2053918
i have always felt the opposite, like there is always way more yurishit than yaoi

No. 2053924

>>2053918
Yurifags keep ruining things for everyone. Everyone else hates them from what I've seen and the more I see posts like this the more I get it.

No. 2053944

>>2053918
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but the focus on pairings and shipping really ruined fandoms. The rest of the fandom discussion revolves around people's headcanons and interpretation of the lore to support their fucking ship. There's nothing wrong with it at first, but fandoms have become way too centered around it. It's impossible to be part of a fandom and not care about shipping anymore.

No. 2053954

>>2053918
Yes, I've been wondering the same for some time before I realized those yurifags are all troons. The "Why are female fandoms so male focused and misogynistic??? my lesbian waifus need to love too" narrative is entirely driven by male trannies addicted to lesbian porn so keep that in mind when you see it parroted on Lolcow as well.

No. 2054001

>>2053944
i agree, especially the dungeon meshi fandom has become hardcore cancer with all the farcille x laocille shit. like STFU nothing is canon you fucking retards.

No. 2054064

>>2053749
OT but what's the source for the original? It's really cute

No. 2054074

>>2053944
agree, and it especially sucks when the original media has some really interesting ideas and themes and no hints of romance, but the fandom instead fixates on the fanon versions of two characters who have been warped into cliche moulds/romance dynamics (or sub/dom shit). Tbh I probably wouldn't mind it half as much if characters were still kept at least mostly canon (and the setting maintained intead of shifting to generic modern/mundane AU etc), but that's apparently a big ask even if the canon character is a simple archetype and not complex in the slightest.

Worst thing though is how showing dislike/disinterest for a ship can get you marked as 'suspicious' in some fandoms, even if you're super polite about it or don't ship anything in general. So weird and entitled over something that should just be a bit of dumb fun.

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the latest episode of smiling friends caused some controversy on twitter for this joke. The line 'all cultures are equal' said in a mocking tone. The wokies only then discovered that zach had tweeted racist stuff in 2016 and the voice actor for mr boss had also made racist joke videos where he used the n-word multiple times, so they realized that a group of edgelord newgrounders would not be progressives, but the reactions are pretty insane, I have seen people call zach a christo-fascist

No. 2054170

>>2054159
So they draw the line at racism but not misogyny? Okay.

No. 2054219

>>2054159
this was so obvious since season 1. people need to get over themselves, it's a fucking cartoon made by some dweebs
>>2054170
how does this make sense?

No. 2054225

>>2054159
Kek it’s funny they expected any better from creators who make this type of edgelord cartoon shit, but also the blind dogmatism that has to be involved in constantly criticizing patriarchy, racist cultures, Nationalist bootlicking, evangelicalism, etc. but then piss yourself when someone goes “yeah maybe some cultures are kind of bad.”

No. 2054241

>>2054159
imo the line just sounded like it was mocking that kind of twee saturday morning cartoon moral lesson at the end of the episode thing, not anything serious. You'd think they'd take more issue with literally anything else to do with Mr Boss– even in this episode worse stuff is implied kek

No. 2054302

>>2053918
I don’t think these people seem to realize that the main reason women gravitate towards mlm pairings/male characters is because a lot of them are attracted to men, nothing to do with muh “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit they spew. Also I’m pretty sure that the op is a troon, I doubt an actual woman would say this unless she’s under the age of 17.

No. 2054321

>>2051164
> the way she is because she's not a love interest so the writers weren't limiting themselves to just making her one of the good guys whose character development doesn't matter because hers is directly linked to the main story instead of optional and linked to a confident you can complete whenever you want

I think this is why I liked Futaba more before she joins the phantom thieves than after. Her arc about being a guilt ridden neet who needs help exorcising her demons by blackmailing the cast was fun. Then she joins the cast and despite being socially maladjusted, immediately starts mouthing off to everyone and talking all the time. Her social link was boring too. It’s like you can be interesting until you join the cast, at which point you must be prepared to turn into a blushing uwu girl.

No. 2054351

>>2054321
Same, the contrast before and after her dungeon was too big for it seem believable. I like Ann a lot and her arc happens early enough that she can grow for the rest of the game but her confident was a waste of time except for the rank where Shiho shows up but since the writers came up with way too many playable characters she and Ryuji get overshadowed pretty quickly. The cast would have been a lot better if you removed Makoto, Haru and the new OC donut steel waifu from Royal, and if you made Futaba show up earlier instead so she could get better gradually instead of just needing a few days to go from a PTSD ridden neet to the most extroverted character in the team.

No. 2054380

>>2053918
these peoples problems would be solved if there were more lesbians in the world but there arent. i genuinely dont get this desire to want f/f be as big as m/m, as a consumer of f/f i dont want that tbh theres beauty in something being niche and attracting only people that are genuinely into it.

No. 2054445

>>2054302
The reason they miss the most obvious explanation is because the "heterosexuality bad" brainrot is so intense that if they had to confront the fact that the fandom culture they love so much was by and large built and maintained by heterosexual women, they would combust on the spot.

No. 2054467

>>2054351
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but Ann is the best female character in that game, she gets shit all the time because the writers sexualized her so much but she's the only one who actually stuck with me as a defined personality with layers. Haru isn't bad either because she joins in so late that her blandness can be excused, but Makoto and Futaba were such a waste of potential. Kasumi was just terrible and clearly a writer's waifu, not a real character meant to be seen as an equal to the other more plot relevant ones.

>>2054302
Most women gravitate towards husbandofaggotry and especially yaoi because they don't have to deal with moids there, not necessarily because they're lusting for fictional cock. The biggest reason I can't get into f/f ships is that they're always two femmes and the scene is absolutely ridden with horny troons, I'd take a socially maladjusted delusional fujoAiden any day over a porn-addicted yurifag AGP.

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Kodaka and Uchikoshi's new game looks shit but the amount of people on twitter having meltdowns is really really funny.

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>>2054492
>Uchikoshi
>good let alone best writer
Man pandering to trannies really does make them suck your cock till it pops off.

No. 2054526

>>2054467
Makoto is massive wasted potential, and I will always be mad about that. Futuba is a literal trope of a waifu that is the cute tech girl. I cant stand her

No. 2054541

Everytime this guy makes a sequel for one of his games it's pure shit. I'll never get over how good AI Nirvana Initiative was with Ryuki's route and how godawful it becomes as soon as Mizuki's route starts, which retroactively ruins Ryuki's route. I want to see Uchikoshi irl and threaten him into giving me my money back for this one.

No. 2054555

>>2054302
>>2054445
The "all women are naturally bi but all men are strictly either gay or straight" meme is still alive and well, no one expects straight men to give a shit about m/m or gay men to give a shit about f/f.

No. 2054564

>>2053918
I'm a yurifag but avoid western yuri fans fans like the plague. Those people talk more about some retarded discourse instead of things they actually like (and this applies to most people in fandom spaces not just yurifags) At this point the only reason I'm still using twitter is to follow japanese artists kek

No. 2054572

>>2053918
Yurifags (and waifufags in general) are in a weird spot right now where they just despise any male character existing

No. 2054574

>>2054445
>”heterosexuality bad" brainrot
go outside

No. 2054597

>>2054574
do you know where you are?

No. 2054634

>>2054572
honestly, based

No. 2054635

>>2054634
>based
They use their hatred of male characters simply to attack women who like them.

No. 2054668

>>2054159
is the old guy supposed to be a jewish parody?

No. 2054675

>>2054597
Were you that sperg in the unpopular opinions thread complaining about women not dating moids? Kek

No. 2054696

>>2053918
Because most are straight women and straight women like men. Put those two together and you get yaoi's preeminent dominance in fandom since time memorial. Not to mention, SSA women take up less space than OSA women and you're left with the remaining going over to the winners since the grass' greener. Eat your veggies became a meme for a reason. Others are not entitled make content let alone in ways others like. If the person truly cared, they'd happily shine light on ill-begotten works otherwise unknown. But no, they choose to waste time bemoaning the lack of cottagecore yuri AUs and making it a activist issue rather than matter of preference.
Plenty of OSA fans could like f/f but the people surrounding it usually aren't pleasant to be around. For all this talk about representation, they sure do hiss at the notion that lesbians and bi women aren't perfect angels but multifaceted people. I'd like that more than sperging about yuri good, yaoi bad for the millionth time.

No. 2054704

>>2054555
> no one expects straight men to give a shit about m/m
this is so annoying.I have read yuri once or twice because the art was insanely good, and i am used to yuribait because its in literally every single anime with a female only cast. You think men would make an exception for yaoi? fuck no, they are insanely insecure and get angry at even slight yaoibait in shonenshit.

No. 2054723

>>2054445
Agreed. Back in the 2010s it used to be a meme mostly confined in tumblr, now a days the "eww het" crowd have escaped to the other social platforms as well. Slight blog but I was streaming a game recently and I lost count of the number of times my fujo audience whined about the game's characters being heterosexual, I need to associate with less chronically online people.

No. 2054733

>>2054492
>stupid, silly and his games have problematic stuff
Truly hard-hitting critique. The game does look like shit, that intro scene is like an ultra despair girls reskin

No. 2054773

>>2053764
Do as many of the following as you can on twitter:
1. Try to choose fandoms that have complex plots and emotionally mature content
2. Prioritize following non-English artists for fanart, use the shit out of Google translate to read their headcanons and the like, leave short "thank you!" "Beautiful art!" type of comments to assess if they are bilingual, you might get lucky
3. Look up the fandom tags and preemptively block any loud gendies, especially the ones that post titchop art or have other degen signs like furry, gore
4. Block words like "transmasc" "transfem" "cunt boy" etc etc basically any combination of bullshit a gendie might say in Twitter settings

No. 2054949

>>2053588
>god can't people just admit to liking things anymore?
Not anymore, ever since it became le bad to watch anything that could be interpreted as "not progressive enough" in certain internet circles. It's a moral offense and you should hit yourself with an whip to prove how much you disapprove the problematic content.
I don't really know if there was a True Crime boom before the pandemic (I wasn't really interacting in english speaking groups/forums before very recently) but David fincher, one of the show's producers, already did other true crime related movie before in late 00's.

No. 2055054

>>2053944
That’s only in tumblr-adjacent fandom spaces.
On reddit-4chan you have to intentionally seek out shipping (like going to waifu threads or something cringe), most of the discussions are focused on lore, plot, power leveling and HC that aren’t related to shipping

No. 2055132

>>2054773
>3. Look up the fandom tags and preemptively block any loud gendies, especially the ones that post titchop art or have other degen signs like furry, gore
I'm kind of sad twitter took away likes for this. Whenever any annoying posts happened to sneak its way to me I'd go on the like list and just bomb the poster and whoever liked that post. I could easily block a massive number of gendies since they cluster like a literal cancer, even if it didn't get all of them. It's time to look for another mass blocker before I lose my thunder.

No. 2055287

>>2054380
because a shitton of those yuri fans are typical men. Men in fandom are generally too lazy to make creative fan content but also entitled and secretly homophobic and thus end up malding over the existence of yaoi and the much more productive fujos.

No. 2055764

>>2054064
The guy she was interested in wasn’t a guy after all

No. 2055810

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>>2055287
apt observation but the person in the original tweet was at least a girl or a woman. Others like here are coming out of the woodwork calling fujos "cultist" while shouting cultish platitudes without a hint of irony. Could be a case of handmaidish as the same talking points are popular among TIMs and their lackeys.

No. 2055812

>>2055810
>is there a reason some straight men can't immerse themselves in achillean storylines? is it just bc they aren't attracted to men so they aren't interested? like there are cult followings of straight men for wlw couples but it seems like only mlm and fujos care about other mlm couples

No. 2055824

>>2055810
I also see a lot of real women saying this shit, and they come off as SJWs more than the troons who want more lesbian fanfics for free. Like they're normie tourists invading nerd spaces and ruining them for everyone to virtue signal that they're such good lgbtttttt+×÷ allies. But this time instead of annoying the fuck out of "dudebros" who like video games with half naked female characters during the whole gamergate shit show they're targeting female fans who like hot male characters either as husbandos or in gay pairings or both. Nerds who aren't fujoshi and dislike BL or slash will use completely different arguments to shit on fujoshi, in comparison.

No. 2055846

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>>2055824
A moid would say it's shit and move on. A pick-me would go on and on about why fujos are actually oppressive bigots because reasons. I can understand the animosity surrounding yaoi, but most of their arguments come down to old clichés–some of which don't matter–poisoning the well and somehow ruining SSA male representation. Fujos and himes will fight over fictional characters boning till the earth cooks us all alive.
Also, can these people learn how to write? Writing well may be hard, but if they set aside one moment in a day for writing, maybe they'd have fewer problems to whine about.

No. 2055850

>>2055846
>A moid would say it's shit and move on.
That or they'll say "it's not canon shut up" if they're fans of the story and characters and also move on. Even then they sometimes have consrructive discussions on other parts of their favorite series with fujoshi sometimes because at the end of the day they're still into the same series.

>Also, can these people learn how to write?

lol that's only one part of the issue. The truth is that they're nor actually dedicated fans enough to even want to write anything regardless of talent, they just want to feel included in some specific internet subculture because they saw nerds having fun together online. Peak retarded normie behavior.

No. 2055859

>>2055810
I just don't see the issue with it. Straight men don't typically get into mlm content either but no one is like "why don't straight men like gay love stories?" because they are straight yeah, it's not rocket science?

No. 2055913

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>>2055846
Kek it does sound like picrel

No. 2055929

>>2055913
what did I just read?

No. 2055939

>>2055850
There's also the third reaction of agreeing that the mc is acting like a fruit and then complaining about how every male character has to be gay nowadays.
Those are more fun though.

No. 2055947

>>2055824
The actual women going by this narrative still have a reasoning similar to troons but they just don't want more f/f material, they want to get rid of m/m by utilizing whataboutism. Most of the time they want self insertion het media and treat the entire shipping debacle as a zero sum game, i.e. if yaoi exists that means someone drawing or writing it could be writing more hetshit so it's less preferred material for them.

No. 2055968

>>2054492
So annoying people are losing interest into Danganronpa (good), but it's almost funny how even when leaving you must be annoying one last time and make a moral song and dance out of it. Like shut up, you were just fine overlooking or actually liking the so-called problematic elements for years.

No. 2055972

>>2055947
The worst part is that they also do that for fanart and fanfics as if fangirls didn't create and pist these things online as a mere hobby and for free. For fucking free. Why should these women pander to sexist normie yurifags for free?

No. 2055976

>>2055810
99% chance people like this aren't even actual lesbians. Her feed is almost entirely selfies, RTing the latest trendy political slogans/armchair activism, and the occasional generic "teehee I love girls uwu i'm so gay reblog my selfies teehee".
No original wlw or yuri content, no retweets of wlw works, no gushing or discussion of any work featuring lesbian storylines, and frankly no indication that she genuinely even likes women as people for that matter.

No. 2055986

>>2055913
Kek I see gg fans shit talk female bg fans for liking male idols and accusing them of having self-internalized misogyny while also saying the most misogynistic shit about them possible. “I’m so glad I only stan ggs unlike those fat smelly armies” They only care about misogyny when it comes to their faves.(no kpop)

No. 2056022

>>2052677
>To this day I still don't know why so many moids latched onto her
I just see it as shit taste. Same with some women caring too much about boring ass moid characters

No. 2056077

>>2055986
Everytime I get a little too sentimental about the old kpop threads some derailing Twitterfag will come along to remind us all why they got banned to begin with. GTFO

No. 2056849

>>2055054
These spaces have separate problems from shipping.
>4chan
I don't know what's your fandom but mine is barely discussed there and when it is, it's never about lore, at the very, very best they are spewing trivia from wikis. Usually they are just complaining about something dumb or repeating ancient boring takes, spamming stupid memes, saying they would fuck character x or having genuine schizo takes (like bringing pol takes into something that has nothing to do with that). Nothing of value is discussed and add their incel channer lingo makes it more insufferable. Not really an option for me.
>reddit
90% are fanarts/memes/cosplays/merch pictures. That's all fine, but I don't consider those lore discussion. When there is an attempt at discussing something there are barely any replies.
These are my experiences in my fandom. Maybe yours is different and good for you, but I've been on this fandom for over a decade and I saw the discussions dying over time and the same happened to 2 other fandoms I was part of.

No. 2057213

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lmao

No. 2057355

>>2057213
>the guy who routinely threatens to kill everyone with his evil robot army would be a good person irl! Trust me I'm right and you're wrong!

No. 2057426

>>2057213
>>2057355
Israel pissed on his wife

No. 2057444

>>2057213
I hate speculating the politics of fictional characters, but Eggman is a literal aspiring dictator…

No. 2057627

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And these people are being completely genuine lol

No. 2057711

>>2057627
I hate antis and can be considered a proshipper myself but these proship discourse accounts have the biggest victim complexes. Most of the stuff on that list is either exaggerated, made up, or blaming everyone for the actions of some individuals which is as dumb as saying all proshippers are potential pedophiles because one was a groomer. Proshippers run with anything to make it seem like antis are mass murdering them irl like that Undertale needle cookie story that was never verified kek. The "antis are literally cops" is the most retarded shit ever and just an example that people are obsessed with inserting their politics into fandom discourse.

No. 2057757

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I don’t know if this is the right thread to share this, but I have recently been having thoughts as a mid twenties adult who still autistically enjoys media, fanart, fanfic, and so on.

I don’t know how to express this coherently, but do other nonas who are now undeniably adults yet continue to enjoy media and derivative media feel like you have “outgrown” fandom? And I don’t mean giving up your autism for fictional characters or your writing fanfiction, but the community/social aspect.

I still draw and write about media I like, even share it on AO3, but it feels like fandom, the social fandom where you interact with others on twitter or discord, is just so… mentally and emotionally stunted. I’m not even speaking about how swathes of people are actual kids on their teens, either. They have an excuse to be mentally stunted, at least to a degree, and I rarely interact with them anyway given we have nothing in common. But I managed to get a moderate following (1500+) on the past two years simply sharing my ideas and art for a specific fandom, and those two years were so exhausting and full of confrontations with extremely immature adults it has made me discard social media and lean harder into anonymous imageboard posting, at least if you have to face a retard anon, you can close the tab and be none the wiser. I was shocked seeing other adults in their twenties and even thirties deeply immersed in gendie shit, taking extreme stances on stuff like pro and anti shipping with little to no nuance, believing in complete nonsense fear indoctrination things like trans genocide… It was very eye opening.

It’s almost like being a certain level of immature and childish is a pre requisite to be able to be involved with fan communities to this cultish, abusive degree. I have real life things to do, I don’t have time to keep up with empty gaza virtue signalling or neopronouns or any of that shit. I’m not even American, so what the US funds means nothing to me. A lot of things about it that I used to like I simply don’t enjoy anymore, people I found ok I cringe at.

Have other nonas had this experience? What was your “wake-up” moment? What are your horror stories with fandom manbabies?

No. 2057767

>>2057757
I was never really "in" a fandom as a "fandom member" but I stopped posting on my art twitter of 12k a couple of years ago and just haven't been able to go back due to reasons similar to those you listed. The entire paradigm of online community is absolutely emotionally stunted as you point out, and so are a lot of the subjects of peoples interest, ie. kids media, childish and objectifying anime, video games, etc. I just realised that I'm an adult and I want to have a quiet life and socmed is just completely evil. But that's also prpbably because I quit taking stimulants and can't sustain interest in creative pursuits anymore. I miss having community and feel a bit isolated now but it's really calmed down my nervous system to be utterly away from the public eye, even though my audience was relatively niche.

No. 2057782

>>2057757
>>2057767
I'm the same as both of you but I was always a paranoid lurker and never posted art, fics, headcanons, fan translations, etc. so I never had a huge following, just a few mutuals here and there that all dumped me when I started shit talking fakebois for ruining discussions about Yuri on Ice once when the show was still on-going. I saw fandoms as a hobby before, but they and the internet as a whole changed with time for the worse, and at this point I'd rather post about the video games and shows I like here or even on 4chan than anywhere else, it's just that bad. When I was in university I was really busy because I had a lot of work and a very weird schedule, I made weeb friends there and we're still friends to this day but while I decided to delete some of my social media accounts to focus on school and then on work, two of are still deep into fandoms and they're by far the most immature ones. One of them skipped class, refused a job offer offered to her on a silver platter during an economic crisis and lost her visa and right to live in our country just to play online video games with her online friends that she secretly dislikes and who she worries will dox her for liking problematic age gap gay pairings. The other is working retail despite having a degree and spends an insane amount of money on merchs and materials for cosplay when she really shouldn't, and has drama with her cosplay friends all the time. Witnessing crazy shit like a grown woman actually crying for 10 good minutes over some one-sided beef she had with some online acquaintance for stealing her idea for a powerpoint presentation of her OC irl was really eye opening, because it's one thing to see someone saying they've cried for that on a tweet and think "lol what a retard" and move on, but that was too ridiculous and pathetic for me. I even regret getting into fandoms on tumblr and wish I never made an account back then.

No. 2057819

>>2057757
Pretty simple but it was just, having to explain obvious stuff going on in the story.
If it's not about who is fucking who, people aren't paying attention anymore. They call any story development that a character doesn't directly point out an asspull. They refuse to even consider thinking about how stories might develop because it's not a "real book" like those they get at school.
Also, shitty slang getting spammed. I hate the word GOAT so fucking much.

No. 2057870

>>2057757
I'm the same, nonnie. I quit my xitter I had for over a decade a year ago and unlogged from discord permanently and I haven't looked back since. It's been a bit lonely but it's been amazing for my mental health, just like you I also realized how emotionally exhausting being on top of fandom beef, walking on eggshells while simultaneously trying to sperg about your favorite media, being in discord circles and their absolutely saddening levels of retardation (which I also participated in for a long time) it all takes a toll on you. I also realized I stopped drawing for myself the moment I made a Tumblr account at age 13 and I can't conceptualize creating art from making "content" that needs to be perceived and validated by fandom with likes and retweets. I think I had fun being in fandom as a teenager but I want to be chill now and no longer have to be subject to the drama of the week and hang out around immature, egotistical and chronically online sad, sad people, as much as I genuinely cared for them and enjoyed spending time with them. It's lonely not having socmed anymore but mentally I've been doing so much better I can't go back now.

No. 2057925

>>2057757
I am kind of the opposite? From 15-25 I didn't have a lot of interest in fandom. I was basically asexual and aromantic so I had no interest in shipping and I was genuinely too retarded to consume media. I read ao3 fics when I was bored but I had no real investment in any of the fandoms, I mostly read fics where I hadn't even watched the source material.
Then at 25 maybe because of hormonal changes I became sexually attracted to people and that has made me interested in various fandoms. I feel alienated from these niche fandom communities and their retarded ways but I am slowly trying to worm my way in so maybe I can make some friends

No. 2057930

>>2057757
Yeah, I'm over 30 and have been in fandom communities since high school, but after I got out of school and started working, I became less tolerant of modern fandom culture. Even though I'm still passionate about media and characters, I love analyzing it and creating things for it, the way other people go about it is so "life or death" or a replacement for having a real life or identity. And the way artists and writers are treated is so awful, people basically see you as soulless content mills and put high standards even though you're just doing this for fun. Even trying to meet local friends has made me more frustrated, because a lot of nerdy 30 year olds are Tumblr poisoned.

I just have a blog that's not on any social media where I talk about this stuff, and channel my autism in original creations. Instead of writing "fix it" fanfic or think about headcanons, I just make OCs and my own story.

No. 2058056

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Why do teenagers want to live in the 2000s so badly? It fucking sucked back then, unironically I think the 2010s were the most decent when you compare it to the 2000s and 2020s and that sucked too for the most part.

No. 2058084

>>2058056
They're just nostalgic for a decade that they were either babies or really little kids during, that's all. It's the same as how in the 2010s people were nostalgic for the 90s.

No. 2058094

>>2058056
For the purely visual aspect.

No. 2058114

>>2058056
I'm assuming their idealization is based on ignorance. They wouldn't have liked fandom in the 2000's and the scene kids they idolize probably would have made fun of them.

No. 2058151

>>2058056
anime wasn't even popular in the 00s and you were considered to be a freak for liking it until a few years ago. these people kek

No. 2058501

>>2057930
>channel my autism in original creations
I recently started doing the same, it's genuinely so nice. Finally free from having to keep up with drama, not just the immature stuff between twitter users but also situations in which the creator of a media is suddenly deemed Bad for something so you're expected to jump ship alongside everyone offended. I never made much money off of fandom shit anyway and with OCs there are so many more possibilities to create something serious or meaningful.

No. 2058596

>>2057627
This is why I don’t associate myself with either sides and just call myself a degen, even though I’m technically a proshipper. I hate this retarded faggot who was posting about pro/antiship discourse on her BIRTHDAY and acts like a huge misogynist like that’ll unrape her.

>sent slurs to pocs

Whenever I see stuff like this, I have to wonder if they only started using social media yesterday. Calling people slurs based on their identity has been a thing for ages on the internet and the etiquette has been to either ignore them or call them a slur back, not throw a temper tantrum over “WAAAH SOMEONE THINKS IM A DEGEN FOR LIKING SHOTA RAPE FURRY UNBIRTHING SCAT PORN IM THE VICTIM DOODS”. Also racist lolicons are technically proshippers, what does miss woke have to say about that?

No. 2058603

>>2058596
Oh samefag, it’s insane and disturbing how many proshippers seem to hold pedo sympathetic beliefs. For example I saw someone tweet that pedos should get castrated (true) and the qrts were a bunch of proshippers or adjacent saying how this is actually a bad thing and how this will happen to innocent trannies. Fiction starts to affect reality when you start treating your favorite fictional rapist like a real person and even going so far as to say they shouldn’t be killed

No. 2058622

>>2058603
I hate these stupid leaps of logic where doing X will somehow end up affecting unsuspecting trannies and their rights. Every single type of degeneracy must be accepted, tolerated and even celebrated… otherwise all the black qweer transfemmes will be oppressed and murdered by evil policemen. It's such nonsense. I wonder how they can reconcile free speech absolutism with being tranny worshippers.

No. 2058667

>>2058596
I'm technically a proshipper as well but it disturbs me how many proshippers will be okay with kids being exposed to (violent) porn at young age

No. 2058681

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>>2058056
They want the freedom of the cringe and free days, but have no real personalities or subcultures besides throwing pronouns in their bios.

No. 2058689

>>2058667
More often than not it's because they've had unrestricted internet access and were confronted with it too early themselves so they don't see the harm in it. This is why younger people believe so strongly in the anti side, they've likely all had experiences with 20-30 year olds on discord showing them cartoon porn when they were still children.

No. 2058778

>>2058689
This is why Discord is cancer and all fandom spaces should be cleared of children SFW or not

No. 2058822

>>2058094
2000s anime’s art styles are pretty ugly for the most part though because no one knew how digital colors worked for most of the decade.
>>2058151
Maybe they want to be a 2000s Japanese person?

No. 2058828

>>2058822
>2000s anime’s art styles are pretty ugly
i prefeer that style over the overrendered soulles crap we have now. Anime art is so hideous now.

No. 2058853

>>2057757
I'm about turn 25 in 6 months,and to be honest, I’ve never really dived deep into any fandom. Sure, there are things I totally dig and will geek over, but I don’t get super obsessed or anything. I’m all about discovering cool stuff, whether it’s fan-made or official – if it looks interesting, I’ll give it a look-see. But mostly, I just do my own thing. With school and all, especially around exam time, I just don’t have the free time I used to back when I was 14.

No. 2058909

>>2058056
what is it with women and teen girls collecting super sonico? that’s gotta be one the worst trends I’ve seen with tiktok fake weebs

No. 2059014

>>2058909
I guess it's a weeb version of women who collect playboy bunny merchandise.

No. 2059016

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>>2058828
I'm not gonna say most anime nowadays looks great, but it looks better than this.

No. 2059021

>>2059016
NTA but Kanon was even considered derpy/badly animated back then, kek. That's hardly a representative example, nonny.

No. 2059024

>>2059021
Okay and? It's still a 2000s anime. All Key stuff looked fucking terrible anyway in the 2000s anyway.

No. 2059026

>>2059024
>Okay and?
And you shouldn't use it to represent all of 2000s anime lmao

No. 2059028

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>>2059026
It's still a 2000s anime though and Key style art was pretty common back then despite it being hideous.

No. 2059279

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Another Bridget figure, another time where people fight about a kid being groomed to think he was a girl due a superstition and think that's "good trans girl representation".

No. 2059514

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Not sure if this is the right thread, but a TIF I followed back when she was in my current fandom has been outed to be scammer stealing money from multiple projects, but still her "callout doc" makes sure to respect her pronouns, lmfao.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1LVXNyRIQQZMCrjq25iottxqBlbwnLYTNNW5LaXXrpdk/mobilebasic

No. 2059518

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>>2059514
The doc doesn't even mention her TIF-ness (though you can guess from her fandoms) so including her pronoun having bio from the account I knew her from. It just so hilarious to me that her former friends are launching a campaign against her but still won't let themselves commit the crime of misgendering kek

No. 2059522

>>2059028
The bottom one is soulless as fuck.

No. 2059596

>>2059028
i prefeer the first one, the bottom one is so generic

No. 2059613

>>2059514
There are so many artists that promise stuff and never deliver but besides this one and nozmo I've never seen them simply continue on other accounts, it's sort of baffling. Punziella for example at least had the decency to completely leave social media

No. 2059671

>>2055810
I don’t get it what’s wrong with not liking fujoshis, even they’re aware that fujo culture and stuff like the omega verse are weird
Is disliking fujoshi now misogynistic or something? I don’t understand this weird hill that nonnies are willing to die on. It was always a thing for some fangirls to dislike shipping in general ot obviously got much worse when politics and self righteousness got injected into fandom(derailing)

No. 2059701

>>2059671
How did you get "not liking fujoshis" from that picture?

No. 2059729

>>2059671
Moralfagging as a way to justify disliking something is fucking stupid and automatically makes me throw out your opinion.
Just say you dislike something, you don't need to say any reason.

No. 2059778

>>2059701
nayrt but I think it's the "cult followings of straight women for mlm couple" part is a subtle dig at fujos (as someone who reads fujo stuff myself, I like how the OP at least knows that fujos are overwhelmingly straight women, I'm very tired of aidens in my timeline pretending that they are somehow different and the only ones allowed to enjoy yaoi/bl)

No. 2059820

>>2059671
It's not a matter of disliking fujoshis. It's conflating the benign hobby of women shipping men as a cult or worse "centering men" because 2d men are somehow the same as actual moids. Yaoi not being your thing is fine. I likewise don't give two shits about yuri besides a few but I don't go around calling hime psychocultist for liking women kissing.

No. 2059871

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The absolute state of modern fandom.

No. 2059878

>>2059871
….do they not realize it's an insult?

No. 2059887

>>2059878
either they think they're 'reclaiming' it and it's some power move to use it for the zine, or, considering how often tifs have humiliation/degradation related fetishes/kinks, yes they know it's an insult but they're into it. They'd probably argue it'd be 'in-character' for bakugou to use the term, which is its own order of mental gymnastics

No. 2059905

>>2059887
It's getting reclaimed because it sounds cool apparently kek

No. 2059939

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>>2059522
The soulless meme is moid shit
>>2059596
I prefer generic over ‘vomit inducing’ there’s a reason when they released her nendoroid they didn’t use the original art style

No. 2059959

>>2059939
It looks like a SAO background character now. I will take unique artstyles over what we have now any day. Kanon was also animated by kyoani so it mogs moder anime shit with its animation budget.

No. 2059975

>>2059016
>>2059028
this and similar art styles actually turned me off from a lot of anime/manga at the time tbh, made me think of those early 'how to draw manga' books and was ugly as sin, thought it was a parody at first kek. I know it wasn't the only thing around, but it was plastered everywhere so it kind of became the 'face' of anime to me for a long time

No. 2060000

>>2059939
Why would the soulless meme be "moid shit"

No. 2060006

>>2060000
Nta but go anywhere with moids and 50% will be complaining about old soul and good, new soulless and bad, and then complaining about how panty shots and pervert old men aren't as common anymore

No. 2060011

>>2060000
because uuhhh moids use it therefore bad! better not use kek or stacy or chad either

No. 2060021

>>2059959
>kyoani
Their series are the most overrated shit of all time.

No. 2060043

>>2059878
They 100% do, they’re trying to flip it around on people and make it an epic subversive term like they supposedly did with “queer” and use it to feed their oppression fantasies. It ends up reeking of “I’m not owned! I scream as I turn into a corncob” overcompensation though.

No. 2060050

>>2059959
>Kanon was also animated by kyoani so it mogs moder anime shit with its animation budget.
Free and violet evergarden look better. I don’t care for kyoani shows in general, they just look pretty a lot of the time.

No. 2060062

>>2060050
i had to drop VE because it just looked so generic

No. 2060071

>>2060062
The plot is generic and boring as fuck but c’mon anon, the animation is gorgeous.

No. 2060073

>>2060071
yeah the animation is great, but the style is so run of the mill post 2010s animu it hurts to watch. AI made me grow tired of this style and its why nowadays i mostly watch stuff made pre 2010s

No. 2060088

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So the world (but specifically southeast asia) is experiencing the worst heat waves ever. This is everything we were told about climate change brought to life. thousands are dying and the heat is completely unbearable for literally everyone and with all this going on, I don't understand how there are still southeast asians who seem to act as if we live in a peaceful nation with no grander conflicts. I don't understand how anyone has the energy to sperg about fandom or shipping(off topic)

No. 2060089

>>2060088
Girl….

No. 2060090

>>2060071
It's style over substance: the show, I dropped it because it was so boring and melodramatic for the most random shit, pretty animation can't save a snooze fest to me.

No. 2060091

>>2060090
That's literally every Kyoani show though

No. 2060093

>>2060088
go back to twitter

No. 2060101

>>2060088
hi greta

No. 2060109

>>2060088
The last thing I'd want to think about while dying slowly is how I'm dying slowly tbf.
I want to die with my husbando in my heart.

No. 2060116

>>2060089
>>2060093
>>2060101
>>2060109
I think you're all misunderstanding what I'm trying to say, With this awful living situation, what's the point of getting into shit fights over hc's or venting out politics? at this moment all I can do is lay down and actually try to enjoy media

No. 2060118

>>2060116
If you don't like the thread topic just hide it instead of coming here to preach

No. 2060124

>>2060116
They can be distracting themselves with internet slapfights. The heat can make them grumpy and more likely to lash out as well. It's not that deep. Go enjoy your media and drink water, nonna.

No. 2060176

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>you are definitely a bad person
I'll accept it!

No. 2060192

>>2060176
what the fuck did the faggot from hetalia do

No. 2060204

>>2060176
Didn't we go more than 20 years as a society without considering JK Rowling problematic or picking up on her "bigoted beliefs"? Are people supposed to retroactively eliminate their enjoyment for media if it turns out the author has different beliefs than them? I swear this is one of the dumbest takes I've ever read

No. 2060213

>Go enjoy your media and drink water
lmao, you're funny nona

No. 2060222

>>2060192
Racism, probably.
I think South Koreans still haven't forgiven him lol.

No. 2060226

>>2060222
racism how? how is it racist to make countries into cute anime men

No. 2060252

>>2060226
nta but the manga depicted korea as this insecure dude who constantly tries to copy japan's style

No. 2060260

>>2060192
to wokies, hetalia is bad because of the whole axis powers anime and having nazi germany as a character. also because of racism / stereotypes. also because hetalia is popular among fujos who "fetishize gay men" and some think it promotes incest among countries who are siblings

No. 2060267

>>2060226
IIRC people had a problem with how Seychelles was depicted as pale/light tan.

No. 2060305

>>2060176
Media literacy is officially dead.

No. 2060444

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>>2060222
To be fair I think even if Korea was depicted as the most kind, handsome and intelligent character they would have still bitched about it until he got removed because Korea vs Japanisms.

No. 2060446

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>>2060267
That was on deen not Hima though, and it gets corrected in the later seasons anyway.

No. 2060483

>>2060252
>>2060222
kek, south koreans are some of the most racist, colorist and vain people ever, yet they get offended over some random anime faggot. hilarious

No. 2060496

>>2060176
I hope Tumblrtards wake up someday and realize no sane person thinks like this. Genuinely how miserable do you have to be to morally grandstand over simply enjoying something? These people think Birth of a Nation and Hetalia of all fucking things are on the same level.

No. 2060749

>>2060483
istg they're the biggest "ruled for thee except for me" group. Western manhwa fan communities constantly have to deal with their retardation and demands even though no one was fucking talking to them. And before anyone says "Well they're Korean, they have authority on their own media" the Japanese are nothing like this over their manga and anime.

No. 2060778

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>from source materials or artists I have moral issues with
>Owns a figure of a bunny girl pissing herself and is the admin of a ddlg and petplay club
I fucking hate pick mes.

No. 2060907

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It’s over, nonnas. I officially deleted all my fan accounts on various social media platforms because the normies have ruined fandoms for me. I wish anime and gaming had never been normalized.

Every fandom has now been flooded with low IQ normies who don’t even talk about actual fandom related things. They’ll randomly post about being horny, wanting to be choked by their ugly moid boyfriends or post thirst traps. Ew. I hate seeing unrelated stuff about their private lives because it just gives you even more insight into what a normie life they are living. They are literally the types who peaked in high school and would have bullied people for watching anime in the past. Not to mention that moids now use fandom communities as a dating platform. Had to block a good amount of them for “crushing” on me.

What bothers me the most is the normies ranting about literal non issues like fujos “fetishizing gay men” or accusing people of “asian fishing” because they have a Japanese username etc. How did it even get to this point? The normies have truly taken over now that these are actual topics deemed worthy of debate.

No. 2060987

>>2060749
What kinds of demands do they make of westerners? Like how to translate the manhwa?

No. 2060991

>>2060907
90% of fan accounts quit just before finding the normal groups in fandom

No. 2061003

File: 1719150859805.png (8.39 MB, 2587x1605, manga.PNG)

>>2060907
I joined a local anime discord to see if there's anyone cool. I posted my collection to see if anyone likes the same things I do but once others followed suit all they had was shonen slop manga with seasonal anime splashed in (pic from reddit). You can tell who just got into anime by what they collect.

No. 2061012

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>>2059028
They actually made an Air movie that came out at the same time as the anime and it has a drastically different art style. It's directed by the onii-sama e guy. The anime is better than the movie though.

No. 2061018

>>2060778
all the youngins in mfc are so annoying, i visit their profiles and they always have something like, dni if you are into these problematic things, but then they have like you said gross figures, cutesy figures from gross origins. On the other hand the males crying about loli being heavily censored are even more annoying, muh free soeech and if we let it happen it’ll be literal fascism! So retarded.

No. 2061137

>>2060907
The other day I saw someone comment on a post about how the content of that post truly made no sense and went against the whole lore of the series. They were nice about it and explained in detail, but that didn't stop people from dogpiling on him, even if he was absolutely right. Saying stuff like it didn't matter, it was just fiction, who cares about it, and so on.
I hate how normies colonized the fandom spaces and how social media ruined it too. Some of us care, because that was what the fucking fandom was for, a place for people who cared. Somehow the fans are being shoved away from the space they created.

I managed to find a very select group as enthusiastic as me about one of my fandoms, but because weird trannies and annoying moids still lurk by I don't interact as much. The few dedicated fun ones are great though. I won't say you'll find a group that matches your interest for sure, as I have a few fandoms and only found what I was looking for in one, but I hope you get lucky.

No. 2061239

>>2060987
Stuff like "you need to ship what we ship" or "You can't have shipping preferences: you have to ship them all because that's what the author wants uwu. Never mind that we have our preferences but you need to abide by those rules!" They also ape the fuck out if you're not a fan of specific characters. Westerners typically ship what they want, assuming they're not part of the puritan brainrot, and voice displeasure of a character. The Koreans are fucking mental in the BL scene. I've seen some attack artists for not drawing "any art of character X." They're quick to do that shit to western artists, but they don't dare attack big stacy JP artists because they're the more prolific (and talented) ones and fight back

No. 2061255

>>2061137
Not who you're replying to, but what you're describing is exactly why I hate most of fandom these days. Headcanons just ruin everything. I'm talking about being expected to accept the most lore breaking, ooc "interpretations" of a character, their transing and being given the most random mental illnesses just because some random zoomer has said character as their "comfort character". And then too often such shit hc's spread bc too many ppl don't actually consume the media in question or just lack reading comprehension.

No, not all headcanons are valid, some are just wrong, and we shouldn't be the bad guys to point that out.

No. 2061260

>>2060907
>They’ll randomly post about being horny, wanting to be choked by their ugly moid boyfriends or post thirst traps.
I wonder if it's like this in the Japanese western cartoon fandoms. Like if some Japanese woman out there posts about wanting her boyfriend to LARP as Hank Hill or wanting to spend all her money on a trip to Arlington.

No. 2061285

>>2060116
People get into fandom slapfights because they have cushy lives and aren't affected by the world's problems, or they do have shit real lives and use arguments over shipping and problematic media as a distraction.

No. 2061288

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>>2061260
>ywn take your KotHaboo Japanese gf on a couples trip to Texas

No. 2061293

>>2061255
DA but I love headcanons when they fit into the canon and lore, but 99% of cases I see it used nowadays is more of a retcon or people's OCs with a canon character faceclaim. I also wish people would have more aspects they care about in characters besides gender identity and mental illness or race. It's peak tokenizing in the latter case.

No. 2061294

>>2061260
in my experience the most you see of female artists is their super cutesy husbando themed nails. I have no idea how they draw with those lol

No. 2061296

>>2060907
>fujos “fetishizing gay men”
I never understood this

No. 2061297

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I don’t know how to explain this but I hate how fandoms crossover into eachother now
My fandom with qt cartoon boys shouldn’t have furries in it gdi, the whole discord was discussing their ideas for the characters fursonas. Barf. I wish furries were still bullied to suicide.

Also ive never been able to figure out if the women who draw cute or attractive characters as 1000 lb fugly lumps with cellulite and stretch marks are actually that ugly irl and projecting, or if they’re cute/normal girls irl and just doing that thing where they pretend they think ugly people are attractive but would never want to look like that themselves and don’t want “competition”

No. 2061301

>>2060907
I hate normies for similar reasons but I managed to avoid them on twitter after remaking an account, thank god. Hopefully it will stay that way for me.

No. 2061302

>>2061293
Same, I miss being stupid with my tumblr mutuals and writing 1k+ word analysis on which character would react which way if certain lore situations happened, who would be friends, who would want to kill each other etc etc. Gender bullshit hadn't yet taken hold so the most we would do is draw them in dresses kek. The artists always took care to draw them true to their design too, with the twinky teens looking decent and the roided guys looking comical. I feel so sad and nostalgic

No. 2061311

>>2059279
trooning out bridget was crazy but i'm glad jp artists still treat him as male

No. 2061323

>>2061003
Oh man I'm sick of trying to socialize at conventions or just in daily life with other anime fans but they end up being this type. So many people I've talked to who are like this look down on anything that isn't flavor-of-the-month shounen slop. Then you try to show them something actually good and they complain and say it's too old or boring or has "too much talking". The pandemic was a mistake

No. 2061344

>>2061323
Anime and manga fandom has been irrevocably ruined. I joined a discord to talk about BL with people and the number of people that I had to walk through basic terminology like doujinshi, seme/uke and other general Japanese terms that should be basic knowledge for any fan worth their salt…the monkeys paw curled like it never curled before for us.

No. 2061353

>>2061344
God that's depressing. And then people act like you're a weirdo for knowing those terms or something. I'd rather go back to being bullied for liking anime in the 2000s than continue to be surrounded by normie "anime fans" kek. Also, nobody knows what a bishounen is anymore.

No. 2061361

>>2061353
Seriously, those same people were also the ones calling any remotely pretty guy a femboy

No. 2061373

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>>2061311
thank god, but i feel like i do see quite a few jp artists that acknowledge he is a tranny. now that GGST is getting an anime, i can't help but wonder if bridget is going to get an episode or even a multi episode side arc about his trannyism, even though sin looks like he is going to be the main character. it seems that arcsys understands bridget to be their biggest paypig right now, and i wouldn't be surprised if they'll continue to suck trooncock with the show.

testament still makes me sadder than bridget, especially with how the fans dropped him the second they retconned bridget too. both their stories have depressing implications about their trooning out, and they both reinforce gender roles in very unfortunate ways. they'll probably never have another feminine male character, or bother with a masculine female character.

No. 2061398

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Is it just me that thinks fandoms back in the late 2000s and early 2010s seemed way more tight knit and passionate? Nowadays everyone seems splintered in small groups like super sekrit circlejerks on discord and fanworks are focused more on gaining traction and likes than out of love and interest for the source material, also way more political content gets shoehorned in everything made.

No. 2061404

>>2061239
NTA but this explains why so many Korean artists crank out art of literally every character ever. God their scene sounds so exhausting.
>They're quick to do that shit to western artists, but they don't dare attack big stacy JP artists because they're the more prolific (and talented) ones and fight back
Kek Koreans never beating the insecurities about Japan allegations. I wonder how their dynamic with the Chinese artists work because the Chinese fujos from what I've seen are the most unhinged (but also extremely based) yet.

No. 2061526

>>2061398
It's not just you. Things really went to shit when fandom became activism. The few fandoms that aren't dead are the ones with older fans, and they're being driven away by the bullshit that's popular nowadays.

No. 2061587

>>2061398
All that thanks to tumblr

No. 2061592

>>2061398
There was a lot more gatekeeping. It was toxic but imho it made things better

No. 2061599

>>2061587
It's not the fault of tumblr, there was just a big shift on the entire internet that happened where people got more defensive and political especially after the 2016 elections

No. 2061601

>>2061255
I'm so sick of headcanonfags. I'm sure there's exceptions here and there and some who adhere to canon but I haven't encountered one that doesn't throw a gargantuan tantrum at being quietly ignored or disagreed with. Even ignoring a popular headcanon in fandom will get you side-eyes and people specifically seeking you out to try and interrogate you or badger you. Speaking from personal experience

>>2061398
It's unfortunately the case because nobody wants to deal with fandom, so the moment somebody gets the chance to jump ship to a literal secret club circlejerk that looks like heaven in comparison they'll do so. It sucks, and I don't enjoy it either.

No. 2061633

>>2061398
Even when you get into the secret discord, you find out it's full of TIFs.

No. 2061634

>>2061599
No, it was tumblr's fault. It didn't help that the nuclear-waste people there broke out after the porn ban. Trump getting elected didn't help but the garbage was already there.

No. 2061638

>>2061634
Tumblr somehow created the perfect hugbox for the low iq shit people who couldn't survive on lj, da, or various fanfiction sites. Which is really pathetic when you consider how much crap flourished on those sites as well.

No. 2061699

>>2061398
Probably because they were more tight knit and passionate. I miss livejournal communities and forums. While there were certainly SJWs and gendies and drama, they were at least somewhat kept in check by levelheaded majority. Tumblr and twitter's cloutchasing nature amplified all of the most insufferable people who just care about being viral. The only remnants left at this point of LJ are a handful of anon memes and the people there are all millenials and gen-xies who earnestly believe in all libfem talking points.

No. 2061718

>>2061634
The issue is that people who didn't care about porn were also driven out by the ban, it was sl badly implemented that normal posts were flagged as NSFW.

No. 2061739

>>2061587
From what I recall, muh sjws existed on LJ and then these people migrated to tumblr and spread the garbage more. Tumblr was perfectly fine until the gamer gate and politics hit. Pretty sure 2012-2013 is when I started to see tranny vitiligo deathfat POC gender blob fanart too.

No. 2061748

>>2061739
Nta but didn't the gamergate shit happen around 2015? So the tumblr gender ocs were already there before that.

No. 2061751

>>2061739
They definitely coalesced on lj first, and then journalfen came into being so they could shit talk people in a paywalled place where normal people couldn't fight back. The smug knowitall sjw shit definitely cranked up a notch there.

No. 2061752

>>2061398
Adorable pepe.. Yeah, i crave the feeling of looking up a manga/video game and reading the forums/deviantart groups dedicated to it, it was cozy. I miss generalist weeb websites and forums too, looking into every little corner to find something (fanart, fic, opinion etc) that caught my eye. Tumblr kind of killed this, the massive fandoms and over-enthusiastic attitude around stuff like Homestuck was exhausting. I mean i get teenage excitement but it was genuinely grating to constantly have someone screaming in your ear about x ship or x problematic creator or 'why is [] a trans disabled piss drinker'. I don't miss the peak of tumblr fandom at all, even with nostalgia goggles on. Tumblr/X is perfect for smaller fandoms though, it kind of replicates the 'small town organized around an interest' feeling of early forums and dA groups, but they're slow to post and the site is dying anyways.

No. 2061757

>>2061748
Gamer gate happened in 2014 pretty sure and made it worse tbh. The whole 4chan vs. Tumblr was also so silly and funny to think about now. But I also think it worsened the website as people on tumblr were on their high horses about morals or whatever to combat the 4chin boogey man.

No. 2061809

>>2061373
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like they have a split thing going on with Bridget's gender in Japan vs. American marketing? Or maybe Japanese people really don't care that much so it doesn't come off that way kek. There was an official Pixiv article about him tagged with otokonoko while the English translation was completely different and celebrating him for being a troon so it didn't seem like the tranny narrative was being pushed that hard for natives.

No. 2061903

>>2061634
Tumblr was always a big shitfest tbh, but it's nothing compared to how cancerous and retarded fandoms and communities are nowadays

No. 2061973

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You'd think after that ecchi mahou shoujo yuri aired earlier this year they'd stop coping with this. Yes, there is yuri for women (Maria sama ga miteru for example) and it's usually pretty easy to tell what's for women and what's for men by art style alone but it's pretty stupid to pretend yuri is majority for women.

No. 2061999

>>2061903
Especially Failbook fandoms. Joined (and left) several of those over the years that were basically insane asylums for the chronically online.

No. 2062004

>>2061973
Wait, this person is talking about the anime with a magical girl that molests other girls? Who gets aroused by the thought of spanking little girls? Is she saying that that's what straight women don't understand but that lesbians somehow can see it as something more than just plain degeneracy?

No. 2062024

>>2061809
It doesn't really matter, the fact is that he looks like an underage sexualized child, which is the whole reason he was created

No. 2062026

>>2061398
i am not an oldfag, but i remember seeing this video and its basically the same thing that's happening now, but years before gamergate and tumblr

No. 2062064

>>2061973
Most yurifags that I've met in my life have been straight girls and straight men with an odd autistically horny lesbian raised by 4chan and hentai. I feel like this "yuri is by lesbians for lesbians while yaoi is for ICKY STRAIGHTIES" shit is always driven by trannies, always.

No. 2062072

>>2061398
You had to request access to most communities and they were gatekept pretty intensely, you had to integrate or you were out. I know I got rightfully kicked out multiple times for being a retarded teenager in the early 2000's, I was literally the kind of little shit you see today being coddled by the community. And in retrospect that's genuinely the only way to make a community work and last. I actually host one of those "super sekrit circlejerk discords" and it's invite only, tight moderation, you have to be vetted to get in. Lo and behold, it's existed for years with almost no drama (and people have been able to sort it out when it happens) and people respect the community they have helped to create and develop. People seethe about its existence and not being allowed in but that's the price you have to pay for it. Meanwhile massive open servers have drama on the daily, moderator meltdowns keep happening and nobody wants to stay for long due to the constant conflict of interest between users. It takes time and effort to find the little pockets of sanity but when you do you can stay there for a long time.

No. 2062073

>>2062064
Didn't Yuri get its start by being written by women? But after a certain period of time, more guys got into the hobby and took over from there. There are female writers in the Yuri genre, but not as many as most people were led to believe. More female authors write in Yaoi, some are gay, some even using the genre to communicate complex ideas about being SSA without the co-option of men in bl spaces. And to make it even funnier, a good half of fujos were lesbians or bi, two demographics that should be all over Yuri if it weren't for the fact 95% of Yuri was trash, but that's all I have to say on the subject. 

No. 2062085

>>2062026
Unrelated, but I love this video. It was like watching a movie.

No. 2062155

>>2061373
>but i feel like i do see quite a few jp artists that acknowledge he is a tranny
from what i’ve seen, when they call him a girl it isn’t because they think he is a girl, they just have a feminization fetish.
>>2061809
>There was an official Pixiv article about him tagged with otokonoko while the English translation was completely different
yeah this is generally how it goes for otokonoko characters. like that guy from project sekai. i love his design so i follow quite a few fan artists and every single one refers to him as a dude and otherwise draws him with a dick. then you peek on western circles and it’s him holding the tranny flag and crying tears of joy kek

No. 2062184

>>2061973
This type of discourse always makes me sad because yuri did start as a female targeted thing in class S novels and classic (I mean 70's and earlier) shoujo manga. I wish yuri was like yaoi where there's a more or less clear-cut division with yaoi = for women and bara = for men. I wish moids would just create their own subgenre and fuck off.

No. 2062199

>>2062184
It seemed odd there wasn't a genre for lesbian/bi women. Gay guys have bara so they complain about it less. But for lesbians, either they're forced to write these stories to make ends meet or just don't bother because anything with women is bound to attract men no matter how blatantly for lesbians it is. I'm curious to know what a genre for lesbians would be called since it's obvious yuri doesn't always cater to SSA women.

No. 2062206

>>2061973
>this shit again
Is it possible to finally exhaust the "icky hets" argument sometime soon? Put it up on a shelf for a little while.

No. 2062209

>>2062085
I liked it when I first saw it but this guy since turned into a mega AGP coomer troon

No. 2062280

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>>2061809
companies making the figures for bridget and such will still refer to him as a guy, and on the official website they never bothered to update his profile from referring to him as a boy. however, daisuke did do several interviews in japanese where he continued to buckle down on bridget being transgender now, and any mobile crossover game has called him female. although retarded details like his jacket being a "dysphoria hoodie" detail is english only.

>>2062155
i've seen some westaboos call him a girl, but you're right that it tends to be fetish material, or just treated as a joke.

No. 2062287

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>>2062184
>>2061973

i'm sorry but you all sound really stupid with your constant x=boy y=girl etc etc comments. you say you dislike gender roles and such bullshit but perpetuate really pointless fandom policing in these circles. same goes for obsessing over technicalities about trans characters, as if they affected you in any way. have any of you considered that maybe some gay men like to look at yaoi twinks too? Or some straight women might find bara appealing for whatever reason? That's like saying action movies are for boys and drama movies are or girls when both of them are their own things with differences and similarities that appeal to whoever they appeal to. Sure, an audience will always be skewed in one direction because of generalizing factors, but going all black and white about it makes y'all sound like miserable, preschoolers.

'blue is for boys and pink is for girls guys . and also we hate fun and feel the need to make everything ever into a negative and miserable experience for everyone, including ourselves.'

grow up nonnas.

No. 2062296

>>2062072
Does your server keep trannies out

No. 2062405

>>2062287
>Sure, an audience will always be skewed in one direction because of generalizing factors, but going all black and white about it makes y'all sound like miserable, preschoolers.
fucking exactly kek. people can’t rant to their hearts content if they don’t have a stable point though, hence the overt generalization
> same goes for obsessing over technicalities about trans characters, as if they affected you in any way.
i don’t get what you mean by this, though. it’s just a fact that you can’t go into any tag without seeing trannyshit, and a lot of people here hate troons. i’d say seeing things you hate and being unable to call them out or voice discomfort without being called a bigot and ostracized is very impactful to one’s enjoyment and sense of peace in fandom. or am i misunderstanding what you’re saying

No. 2062419

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The Eltingville Club creator is still angry that people are thirsting for his characters and insists Bill Dickey will never be in a relationship or be happy

No. 2062429

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>>2062184
i mean class s was (is? i dunno how common it is anymore, maybe the occasional female friendship route in otome counts) just girl bestie “you will grow out of intense feelings towards other women” propaganda…it was never yuri, e.g. romantic/sexual relations between women. bara is also not used in japan, it’s called “geikomi”. a quick google search tells me the eq to geikomi used to be bian, but it’s more or less been consolidated into yuri. i’d also argue that most lesbian relationships in old shojo were 1000% not meant to be accurate depictions of lesbians or a sign of acceptance, they were pure drama fuel. which is fine ofc but it’s just fetishization of another stripe. like the intent was rarely ever “i want to reach out to women into women and reflect their experience” it was “i want to scandalize my audience and make them gasp so here are some carpet munchers”. i hope nobody saw me make this post three times

No. 2062437

>>2049980
God I hate it when actors are treated as an authority on canon by fans

No. 2062442

>>2062419
>insists Bill Dickey will never be in a relationship or be happy
as if that’s not exactly what I want

No. 2062444

>>2062442
based bill-nonna

No. 2062450

>>2062184
It doesn't need that because most yuri, even modern ones, are already written by women.

No. 2062492

>>2062429
>just girl bestie “you will grow out of intense feelings towards other women” propaganda
Class S work always read to me as the LUG phenomenon having its own entire genre kek. I understand recognizing it as early yuri beginnings but not the overglorification of it. Most of it can be watered down to"we're gay until senpai graduates then it's implicitly known both of us are going to be barefoot and married to a man in the future" so I never saw the appeal for actual SSA women.

No. 2062518


No. 2062558

>>2062419
ugh i miss when the fandom of this comic was just a bunch of ryonastacies on 4chan who wanted to beat the shit out of the nerds. Tiktok and zoomers ruin everything.

No. 2062560

>>2062518
nta but yes i think like 99% of yuri webtoons are by female authors. i dunno about manga and pseudonyms are never a good tell as you can go by anything

No. 2062599

>>2062442
I just don't like how butthhurt he is over some fangirls

No. 2062682

>>2062518
NTA, yea most and you can tell usually, but as stated by>>2062560, some of them are under pen names. But if Yuri is written by women, why don't more SSA read them?

No. 2062695

>>2062682
plenty of ssa women in eastern fandoms probably read a lot of gl, they just don't tend to do it in the west because a.) a lot of them aren't actually ssa b.) they don't know these webtoons exist. even in the yuri threads here you have farmers constantly saying "umm why doesn't [x thing that exists in multitude] exist?! wtf. scrotes ruin everything" kek

No. 2062712

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Didn't Arnold go to her house over and over too? I would be hateful and cruel with a moid wanting to stalk me like that.

No. 2062721

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Just saw this on twitter, idk why they’re trying to make a madonna whore complex for fictional characters. It’s funny bc half the characters mentioned in the comments/qrts are meant to be attractive/sexy, like what did you expect lol. And even then you have plenty of people willing to discuss them outside of their looks so I don’t see how this is an issue.

No. 2062742

>>2062419
he's 59 years old, of course he's going to yell at the kids on his lawn, kek. he probably thought "What in tarnation!?" when he read this

No. 2062746

>>2062721
This was probably made in reference to that ugly old vampire faggot, but female characters unfortunately get this treatment alot (often within their own canons).

No. 2062767

>>2062712
JKR isnt hateful or cruel though. The cap is real. Tons of people still visit universal harry potter world in all different countries and I see HP merch almost daily. Soooo why are they lying?

No. 2062771

>>2062558
I hate tiktok and zoomers so much, it's unreal. They have no idea how to be normal. They have ruined so much fandom

No. 2062780

>>2062767
Supporting women's right is hateful and cruel against moids.

No. 2062868

>>2062746
Some female characters get completely overwritten with sexualized fan art that the canon give legitimate whiplash.

No. 2063113

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>>2062419
I understand your issue but I do wish zoomers kept a professional distance with the authors, twitter was such a mistake making creators too accessible. And I wish authors would respect a distance to fanon to an extent. Picrel is such brainrot that has nothing to do with the game and the fan just wanted some kweer shipping points. I'm a shipper for this game but I wouldn't dare clarify it with the author if it were canon because that's not the point kek.

No. 2063124

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>>2062721
9/10 times the person bitching about it does because the character's trauma makes them go "wow just like me fr!!" or they are self-proclaimed aroace with sex-repulsion so they don't feel an attraction and no one else should either

No. 2063148

>>2063124
>Microaggression is a made up word
Twitter is really filled with retards. Honestly most twitterfags that bitch about zoomers are 20 year olds that grew up on the internet and think they’re honorary millennials now

No. 2063154

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>>2062429
There was a period when yuri was for girls, but it revolved around the class S trope and it was clearly not meant for lesbian girls. It was a romanticized, puppy love-esque, voyeuristic take on lesbian relationships, which a lot of yuri still is to this day when it's not a literal comic blog self-insert diary of a lesbian author. I would fucking kill for a yuri that was made in the same spirit as Maxine Harlow's comics (that coincidentally have a tone similar to a lot of comedy BLs) but picrel in response to NDG_0_0's art shows why GL is doomed as a genre, lesbians can't have shit for fun ever. She's one of the only artists drawing apologetically butch x butch characters but immediately it's called out as being "secretly straight" because tall and/or muscular = male.

>>2062695
>farmers constantly saying "umm why doesn't [x thing that exists in multitude] exist?! wtf. scrotes ruin everything" kek
Bald-faced lie. Every time farmers complain about mainly the lack of butch/GNC women in yuri and webtoons anons still try to recommend something they're not looking for and get all hissy when they're told that the shy schoolgirl having shoulder length hair isn't "masc". In worst cases they get recommended straight out scrote-pandering hentai when requesting more dramatic stories because "it has girls eating pussy and it's problematic so what are you complaining about god you people are impossible to please!!!".

No. 2063182

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>>2063124
They sound terminally online but this the most sane twitter take I've seen in my life. Tumblr was riddled to the brim with underage teens using their lack of sexuality to harass and bully grown people for having functioning sex drive and falling back on the acearo excuse when caught. If you so much as suggested they dial back their insanity, you were a branded a acephobe or worse yet a queerphobe because half these kids were some form of quoiromantic demi-pan foxkin and you should respect their presence "terf". I wasn't on tumblr much, but I've seen their ilk out and about on reddit and twitter as well some art circles where normal sane people were banned for offending wannabe queer kid's feelings.
pic rel embodies how I feel on the subject though sadly I couldn't fit the whole thing through snip, Still landed on something relevant.
>>2063154
If they do exist, there has to be one that's butch enough to actually be butch? Shouldn't be gatekeeping what's considered gnc, but when a gnc woman does appear, somehow she resembles a man despite the boobs and feminine features. If a chick with long hair gnc is considered butch enough, I afraid what's considered too much for the likes of others. Ftr, I would love to see more butchxbutch gl works but I'm attracted to masculinity so take what I say with caution.

No. 2063207

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>>2060907
The people you're complaining about aren't normies what are you on about.
Talking with normies about the show or game you like is fun but the conversations are very surface level because they don't care as much to spend hours talking about the thing on a forum.
It's not normies who ruined fandom, it's tumblr's shitty politics every single movement bled into fandom and made things worse.
Shipping became a signifier for how you feel about gay rights
Randomly making characters black reflected your view on police brutality
Giving characters their "ethnic features" reflected your view on Western representation
Even seeing some art styles is enough to let people know about the artists' politics.
Even people here engage in the same game.

I don't regret dropping shipping in fandom, for some reason the people most involved in shipping are always obsessed with shoehorning politics everywhere as well.
Even any creator (writers) that are clearly inspired by fandom culture make something independent it's always really shitty. The books people keep arguing about in other threads from Asian-Americans or Westernised authors they all read the same because they all spent years marinating in the same headspaces and are incapable of looking outside their spaces.
The spillover effect is what annoys me because it feels like no matter what I can't escape it

Before anyone brings up "but men are worse" i don't care, I used to only be on female-dominated websites and fan spaces but they've all gone to shit since they're obsessed with shipping and fandom as politics.

>>2061296
Yuri has always been (or at least until recently …)understood as a genre where lesbians get fetishied for men similar to lesbian porn. People apply the same argument for yaoi

No. 2063210

>>2062721
While I agree that this reeks of having Astarion's sadhag self in mind, I do kinda see where this is coming from– dislike the use of the term 'oversexualised' though, even if it's technically fitting to use, as it comes across as the usual attempt to elevate a point by using academic or therapy speak (eg fanon could have been captioned just as easily with a simple 'slut' or 'horny' etc).

I am tired of almost every character I'm interested in being converted into a cookie-cutter sex trope by the fandom– if it's a male one, then he's a cringe daddy dom (or slutty sub if that's already taken in an m/m ship), and if it's a female one, then she's now a passive husk that could be the heroine of any cheap bodice ripper. I'm not mad btw that there's horny shit in fandoms, and fanfic will always be some level of OOC, I guess I'm just sick of wading through it since it seems to be the focus of the fandoms I'm in, with no one even wanting to talk about things other than sexual headcanons.

Idk, maybe I'm just old or too much of a sped kek to find this shit interesting

No. 2063215

>>2063210
> attempt to elevate a point by using academic or therapy speak
That's how I felt about it as well.
It's very common in fandom

No. 2063235

>>2063210
I know what you mean, it's especially tiring in cases where it happens to a character that I personally find interesting but not attractive. But I've also been on the other side of that (was a bit too into my husbando) and getting harassed by random people for drawing too much porn is annoying as fuck so I never say anything about other people doing it kek

No. 2063282

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What’s the difference between bury your gays and doomed sapphics
(Pic somewhat related i think)

No. 2063307

>>2063282
IIRC Bury your gays is just killing off a token gay character for the sake of drama, the latter is just a messy relationship that doesn't inherently involve death.

No. 2063375

>>2063207
I dropped any shipping in my fandoms too, because most of the drama comes from it and there's barely anything of value in them anymore. Every fanfic reads the same, the same tropes, the same phrases, the same plots. The stupid slapfight between the groups about which ship is the righteous one is tiring.
They bring politics to justify their preferences and use it as ammo to criticize others. Everything is problematic if they want it to be. If they can't back up their hatred with something from the canon, they'll say a character or a relationship is "coded" as something. So they can pull off a rhetoric to antagonize or defend their obsession and this circular discussion never ends or leads nowhere.

I didn't mind shipping, but the constant drama and the lack of quality made me lose any interest. I don't see the point anymore and everyone involved is stuck in the same mentality.

>>2063210
Every character is forced into a few boring categories. Seeing people write fanfics about series they didn't fully watch is insane to me, but I've seen it too many times by now. So it doesn't surprise me that they get the character wrong and push them into a trope. A lot of fanfic is fed from other fanfics. They have become so generic that you can blank out the names and you would never know who that was about. It's not only fanfics, even Fanarts became generic and repetitive. I often see artists copy the same poses/ideas/tropes over and over because, just like fanfics, they feed from each other in this circular motion, and everything ends up looking similar and repetitive.
Thirsting after characters became the main attraction of fandoms, in both female and male spaces. Liking a character just as a character seems almost impossible now.

No. 2063420

>>2063154
it’s not a lie kek you retards are just lazy and trifling and would rather whine and cry about the content you want to see not existing so you can larp as being oppressed or whatever rather than dig through the mangago mines like the rest of us. i know of like 4 gl webtoons off the top of my head where one girl (or both) is notably gnc past merely having short hair, but you’re annoying and wrong so i won’t tell you what they are

No. 2063424

This might sound stupid, but why engage in fanfiction without romance in it? For worldbuilding or exploring ideas that canon hasn't touched on, that makes sense, but in fics where everyone's just hanging out, it seems kind of boring. Sometimes fluffy romance stinks, but at least it's something. Maybe I'm misconstruing these post as a ban on romance instead offering alternatives that aren't centered around sexual and romantic relationships. But like, does a fic where the characters are in an established relationship count? Do fics where romance happens in the background count? Does shipping as hobby where everyone respects what they like even possible or fun? apologies, I'm curious to know since I'm a avid shipper myself but I keep that part of me hidden since frankly not everyone has the time or mood to engage with such content.
And lastly, do you read romance or not? why? does it pale compared to real relationships or are you just not mentally prepared for a relationship and don't like them depicted in media? you're free not to answer any of this but again, I'm dying to know.

No. 2063431

>>2063154
in general i think you browse lc too much…yuri isn’t “doomed” as a genre, you just don’t actually read yuri past whatever is spoonfed to you. the type of dumbass in your picrel isn’t keeping anyone from making anything. also
>It was a romanticized, puppy love-esque voyeuristic take on lesbian relationships, which a lot of yuri still is to this day
this is most romance in general, for every good story you have ten thousand “boy meets girl and they experience no real complications outside of blushing at one another” slop

No. 2063436

>>2063420
how old are you lmfao

No. 2063445

>>2063424
I used to read all kinds of fanfics. Sometimes there are time skips in media and some writers take advantage of that to write in between stories. Or they would take a canon event and add some character inner dialogue and shift the scene to their perspective. There is so much you can write beyond romance. I don't despise shipping, I despise the current state of shipping. Romantic and sexual relationships can be interesting to read, but the repetitive and surface level fanfics around aren't it.
>does it pale compared to real relationships or are you just not mentally prepared for a relationship and don't like them depicted in media?
What does this even mean? Fiction isn't reality. I don't expect the fiction I consume to mirror my life in any way. I expect to be entertained, regardless of the topic. The issue is that most of the current shipping fics are not entertaining, they are boring and repetitive. The authors don't seem to implement the lore and canon material in them as much either, so what's the point?

No. 2063452

>>2063424
To some people platonic relationships aren't boring. Imo shipping is fine but not always necessary. I used to be a hardcore fujo and ship random characters just because it could work if I made enough shit up, now I simply don't have that energy and get a bit annoyed when it's all someone talks about. Maybe it's just because I've seen so much fanart and fanfic that I feel like I've experienced it all before kek. Romance usually follows the same pattern, I even get bored reading stand-alone BL past the getting together stage

No. 2063468

>>2063445
>What does this even mean? Fiction isn't reality. I don't expect the fiction I consume to mirror my life in any way.
Not implying it does, I'm trying to warp my head around why? And sometimes one's life does inform their reading choices but not always. You can be a pacifist and enjoy war stories or celibate and enjoy erotica. My awareness of fiction's engagements with the real world isn't unfounded but a pattern I see time and time again. Life circumstances inspire someone to seek works that resonate with them or at least clicks enough to try it.
And on the topic of new authors not bothering with canon, why does this happen? Video games are understable in light of barriers like gameplay but for media like anime, there's no excuse besides sheer laziness on their part. Speaking for myself I have to be intimately aware of the source material before engaging with the fandom since care enough about the world, it's history, and characters to understand them. That isn't to say AUs are questionable, I personally like especially when the source well has since run dry. There's so much juice you can squeeze before the hose grows thin and narrow.
>>2063452
So you're fine with pre-established relationships essentially and since you quit BL, what filled that void? GL? Het? friendship stories? what do you think of platonic/gen ships?
And regarding the first part, how does one make a story where the characters are LGB without necessarily being about romance?

No. 2063469

>>2063235
That's shit that people harassed you over your husbando-ing, that's not really the sort of thing that bothers me either– I was more thinking of like, the only content being put out by the most active members of the fandom all being renditions of the same horny fanon version of the characters. Someone being a smut peddler isn't the issue, it's stuff like what >>2063375 said clogging up tags that I find grating.

>>2063424
>why engage in fanfiction without romance in it?
I look to fanfiction/fandom for more of what I enjoyed in the original media– what-ifs on canon events, fix its, character studies, canon-style stories (eg murder mystery for a detective show etc), some types of AU/canon-divergences, crackfic, scenarios that explore more of an ensemble casts' dynamics, and themes and aesthetics from canon, etc. There's a lot more you can do with canon's toybox than just pure romance (not saying any of that list can't be combined with romance either, of course).

>where everyone's just hanging out, it seems kind of boring

The problem with this kind of fic comes down to how well a given author can handle slice of life stories or canon concepts and dynamics– there's also an assumption here that an absence of romance means a passive story with no driving force, which isn't true. There are more genres and plotlines than romance anon.

>Maybe I'm misconstruing these post as a ban on romance… (cont.)

Hardly– while I'm not a shipper, I do still read fics (or consume media in general) that contain or revolve around it (I tend to just trawl through everything for a character or two, on the hunt for anything that does something interesting with them), my complaint is more towards the watered-down and generically-sexed-up content that's become rife in a lot of fandoms. Doesn't matter if it's an established/canon couple or not either.

>And lastly, do you read romance or not? why?

As in the romance genre? No. I find pure romance genre stories dull, repetitive and myopic– I have yet to read one where I like one of let alone both of the leads, and side characters in such stories generally exist to support or oppose the romance rather than anything else, same for the world, so there's nothing for me to latch on to. They're formulaic and riddled with tropes and cliches in a way that just doesn't appeal to me (not that I don't read formulaic and cliched things for genres I do enjoy, mind). I am romantically content irl and unbothered by depictions of romance/intimacy, if that answers your other question. I also agree with >>2063445 points.

However, if a broader story contains a romantic subplot (and it doesn't proceed to take over the whole story), then I usually don't mind it at all (if it's good, obvs). I'm not against or coming for shipping or anything like that, I just find current trends frustrating (and confusing when it comes to stuff like name-swap smut kek).

No. 2063479

>>2063424
Sometimes I just want more of the source material, shipping fics tend to slot characters into tropes too much and explore the same plots. Don't get me wrong, my favorite fics have shipping in it, but it's not the only thing or it's a established couple get into wacky situations type of thing.
I don't want tropey fluff/smut to be the only thing a fic has going for in those cases, sure desserts are good, but you won't go to a restaurant to be served only desserts.

No. 2063481

>>2063154
>lack of butch/GNC women in yuri
Every fucking yuri manwha has at least one character that looks like a man precisely for the bishit crowd that can only get off to male-looking characters. If you read as much yuri as you read about dick-in-butt you would know, hell even if you browsed yuri fandom spaces you would know because these bitches that salivate for the turbo butches are fucking loud and horny. But yes, keep spreading lies about the genre because you rather read about cocks than women.

No. 2063483

>>2063445
>Fiction isn't reality.
bold opinion itt

No. 2063489

>>2063481
So what's the point where they start resembling a man though? Like could a silhouette test make one mistake them as male or more like a draw a guy and say they're a woman meme?

No. 2063491

>>2063489
girl that post is obviously b8 kek

No. 2063501

>>2063481
Nta, but can you post examples? I would really love to find yuri like this. My experience has been like >>2063154, the yuri I’ve come across have all been very saccharine and girly. The women I like IRL feel closer to cute anime boys so I was into yaoi as a teen but nowadays I wish I could just read about women.

No. 2063509

its probably the yuripedo, ignore her

No. 2063512

>>2063501
literally just google “butch yuri” and go from there omg you people can’t do anything

No. 2063513

>>2063501
They exist in Korean GL (still not as much as fem/fem) but are practically nonexistent in Japanese work. Off the top of my head there's Love Thy Neighbour, Sora & Haena Side Story, Love Count Down, and Best Served Cold.

No. 2063514

>>2063501
Literally just Google GL manwha and check out the ones with bishie-looking women in the cover. I only know a couple because I don't like masculine-looking women that much and I seethe whenever the side couple of whatever I read looks like het with extra steps.
>Finding Assistant Manager Kim
>Love Thy Neighbor
>On A Leash
>For Garbage
I literally don't understand having the audacity to shit on yuri when you all people just read yaoi 24/7 and can't even take 5 fucking minutes to Google yuri that might be to your liking. Just fucking admit you don't like reading about any sort of fictional anime lesbians and be done with it for fucks sake.

No. 2063542

>>2063513
>Love Thy Neighbour
the british sitcom?

No. 2063564

You can lurk through threads on multiple sites to see what people like to talk about or recommend. Another method is
>go to manga site
>look through "recent updates"
>scroll until you find something that looks interesting, then read it
>repeat until you have a library of series you're interested in

No. 2063603

>>2063424
I have noticed a trend of a lot of fanfiction being made about platonic family relationships between siblings, parents and children, etc. It has always existed but it seems like there's more and more of it recently.
It's funny because despite the fact these fics don't feature sex or romance they read exactly as a shipping fic. They're mostly a tool for mental masturbation and giving people the positive fuzzy feelings of a complicated relationship getting some resolution, like with romance.
I read romance fics mostly to get the hit of dopamine and sometimes they help me feel less lonely. I don't think they resemble real-life romance that much, if at all. For example it's possible that two people would be both secretly in love with each other, but if they were not completely retarded they would eventually pick up on the attraction and do something about it, or move on. Wm
I don't read stuff that is just the author playing with the world because most authors are not good enough for me to commit to reading their what-if fic that is 200k words long. Maybe I would if they were shorter.

No. 2063629

>>2063513
It's too bad webtoons are garbage, both GL and BL. I don't know if it's the format, the plastic-y artstyle or Korean storytelling just not working out for me, I can't read neither.

No. 2063634

>>2063629
yeah I wish butch women were more common in actual japanese manga and not just korean manhwa because I’m not really a fan of scroll format or webtoons. korean yuri tends to have more variety and adult characters compared to japanese too.

No. 2063641

>>2063634
For me it's like I'm reading a shitty K-drama in a comic form, everyone acts like a huge douche, all the characters are extremely unlikable and the art style focuses too much on trying to make everyone look like a supermodel. I like that they include adult characters instead of teenagers but I just prefer manga a lot more.

No. 2064255

>>2063424
It’s fun to imagine how characters interact in non-tense situations especially when the story itself doesn’t explore it much.
Some people LIKE filler episodes and tbh the thought of writing my favs just interacting together seems fun
I’m thinking from a shonen/action pov, so apologies

No. 2064260

>>2063564
>>2063501

Tiktok has a huge GL fan base and people recommend all sorts of comics on there, if you just relied on LC you’d think that there are only 3 GL stories across Japanese/Korean/Western comics.
I wasn’t aware how toxic GLs were until I started looking comics/manga/manhwa on tiktok
Granted they have shitty art styles with those weird sausage lips and what have you but they EXIST. Try to talk about them here and you’ll have nonnies lecturing you about how you are a man or the writer is a man and how it’s problematic because it objectifies some or something. Seriously this website sucks when it comes to female centric stories. The standards are unrealistic and honestly boring
>>2063481
Nonnies just recycle arguments or are like 10+ years late.

No. 2064700

>>2064260
>this website sucks when it comes to female centric stories
No shit, 95% of the website is heterosexual dick-obsessed and the few bihets are also obsessed with male porn. I've only seen like 3-4 anons that actually read yuri and know the genre instead of spreading misinformation around like the fujos do.

No. 2064840

>>2064260
Kek Korean GL is literally what BL manga was in 2002. I.e. dogshit with badly written characters, horrible art and edgy plotlines a 14-year old came up with.

>>2064700
You spread misinformation about yaoi and fujos all the time yuripedo so we're even

No. 2064964

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>characters whose "queerness" is so obvious
>literally every example given is from shounen or other media meant for mostly children

No. 2064970

>>2064700
And water's wet lol. Instead of wasting your time screaming about het women, how's about recommending good Yuri that doesn't look and sound like ass? I may be straight, but I'm open to new perspectives but I don't think your helping yourself by tossing names at harmless fujos nonna. Preferably with actually GNC women, none of that shirt hair equals tomboyish spiel.

No. 2064995

>>2064970
And preferably without a princely masc character whose entire purpose in the story is to seduce a straight woman. Literally the only remotely GNC representation we ever see in GL and it always plays into the predatory homosexual stereotype.

No. 2065015

>>2064970
you’ve been spoonfed like three good yuri with gnc women. atp you’re just bitching, kys

No. 2065080

>>2064700
Aren’t you the fat pseudo dyke who got triggered when anons didn’t like strike witches a lolishit ecchi anime for scrotes?

No. 2065089

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>>2065080
kek i remember her she had hideous salad fingers claws. IRL kikomi.

No. 2065091

>>2065089
she has really sexy hands

No. 2065093

>>2065091
Yes I didn't want to say it but they're really slender and attractive

No. 2065094

>>2064995
>she doesn't like sexy rapist characters
Well your shit outta luck because they're a staple of female targeted smut in every genre

No. 2065098

>>2065091
they look troonish to me, she's also a pedophile and a /pol/tard

No. 2065118

>>2064970
NTAYRT,
>how's about recommending good Yuri that doesn't look and sound like ass
>I may be straight
Why the fuck are you even looking for yuri then? Or pretending to, because one google search would give you My Broken Mariko or The Ends of a Dream (if you want new perspectives, a good adult story, whatever). Go read straight manga in peace

>>2063154
I love masc x masc but why do you need to have a GNC character? Genuinely curious.

>>2062287
Please, it needed to be said. Anons have such a narrow view of what could appeal to either sex

No. 2065153

>>2064970
You misunderstood my post. You don't need yuri, nor you want to read it. The reason for that is that you're heterosexual, and you're dick-obsessed as a natural consequence of that. I don't want any of you to read yuri, I know you are deeply uninterested in lesbian romance and female characters. Simply stop pretending you know about the state of GL as a whole, instead of parroting the same pinhole vision from 20 years ago. And the other anons are right, yuri works with your desired characteristics exist a Google away. If you were actually planning on reading a yuri work like how you describe you would've done that a long time ago.

No. 2065186

>>2064970
Jesus Christ can you cockbreaths leave us SSA women alone and stop generalizing the entire genre of GL when you know nothing about it. If you're not sexually attracted to women then GL will just be inherently uninteresting to you just like how BL and het romance are to me. We don't have anything to prove to you because we don't let moids live rent free in our heads and automatically assume sexy female characters in the cover = malegaze

No. 2065189

>>2065186
Oh no women don’t wanna read about two hyperfem balloon tit bimbos with unwashed clams talking about sex in a troon tier way, the horror!

No. 2065193

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>>2065189
You just don't wanna read about women, period. Go back to your anal tearing literature.

No. 2065195

>>2065193
kek this is yuritrash? its so cringe and badly written

No. 2065196

>>2065193
Troon tier dialogue kek. Why don’t you have the same amount of energy toward moids whose only interest in female characters is coming to them?

No. 2065199

>>2065193
i'd take the "anal tearin" literature over this every day

No. 2065202

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Where do anti fujo sjws get the impression that all fujos hate female characters? That was true maybe, 10-15 years ago but that just isn’t the case anymore, and the characters I see fujos hate are rightfully so, aka shounenslop female love interests who’s only narrative purpose is to be the mc’s tardwife. Picrel is a character I’ve devoted way more love and energy to than any of my uke cumdumps

No. 2065204

>>2065193
This is why I gave up on JP yuri

No. 2065205

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>>2065196
Sal Jiang is literally female, and a million times more beautiful and talented than any pornsick fujo could ever hope to be. Seethe and cope.

No. 2065208

>>2065205
Might be the most boring shit I’ve ever read. I feel bad for actual lesbos who have to put up with a larping straight woman such as yourself.

No. 2065209

>>2064964
Why are "queers" obsessed with teens and kid's sexualities? Isn't that a bit pedophilic? And some of them go on to have opposite sex love interest and families, so why in the fuck are these characters considered gay? Not denying the possibly that some can be bi but by that point it changes nothing.
>>2065193
truly riveting lesbian representation. I could feel my loins quiver by the tension of pristine lust between these two dames. Oh how I wished there were more of this.
This was cringe nonna

No. 2065212

>>2065202
does hatsune miku even have a personality? i dont understand why people are so obsessed with her, she even looks super bland.

No. 2065218

>>2065193
This is such a bad example lmao.

No. 2065219

>>2065212
You have to listen to songs featuring her to understand, also her design is great and iconic, shit taste nonna.

No. 2065220

>>2065212
i always thought that was the point of her. People give her different personalities in their songs. She can be either a yandere or a clumsy idio, a badass or a hopeless romantic.

No. 2065222

>all these het women coming out of the woodworks
Like clockwork kek

No. 2065223

>>2065205
Nonnie I'm glad you like GL and all that but this really isn't any different from your average BL manga.

No. 2065224

>>2065222
Most women are straight. Idk why polilez retards assume everyone is like them

No. 2065227

>>2065222
bdsm cringe regardless if its yuri, yaoi or het. Its such a goofy fetish you cant expect anons not to laugh at it.

No. 2065229

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>>2065202
Gumi >> Miku

No. 2065230

>>2065219
i know some of her songs but idk she just looks so interesting, not everything iconic is good.

No. 2065232

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>>2065208
Indeed, I pity my gf that needs to put up with my straightness every night.(spoiler your shit)

No. 2065234

>>2065229
Gumi is great as well, but my actual favorite vocaloid is IA

No. 2065236

>>2065223
What's your point? I've never attacked yaoi even once in my posts.

No. 2065239

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No. 2065240

>>2065232
Why are you posting porn in a sfw thread like a moid now.

No. 2065242

>gives an example of GL with butch characters
>Nooo this character only has short hair and is just a tomboy
So what kind of butch/GNC characters would you even be happy with it? Is there even such a thing in western works?

No. 2065246

>>2065240
Bc it’s an irl kikomi, just ignore it. It’s also a strike witches fan who likes oneeloli and other pedoslop

No. 2065247

>>2065234
IA's voice sounds exactly like miku's to me

No. 2065248

>>2065236
Are you serious?
>a million times more beautiful and talented than any pornsick fujo could ever hope to be
You're implying that the things she makes are so much better and superior to what a fujo could ever make (BL).

No. 2065250

>>2065248
Kek I was thinking of you all when I wrote that but nice projection I guess.

No. 2065252

>>2065224
Except the polilez retards are the ones who are shitting on yuri because it's "moidgaze"

No. 2065256

>>2065250
You're talking about an author being talented and I'm supposed to assume you're comparing it to the fujos in this thread and not fujo writers in general? If anything projecting would be assuming you're talking about the individuals here.

No. 2065257

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>>2065240
Here, this has no tiddies so it's not porn.

No. 2065259

>>2065257
cool, now stop posting your shitty yuri stuff

No. 2065267

>>2065257
they have yaoi hands

No. 2065269

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>>2065242
They're only happy when the butch/gnc representation is an obese bulldyke el goblina

No. 2065276

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>>2065256
I guess looking back on it only makes sense if you know Sal. Besides drawing manga she also sings beautifully, plays the guitar and builds nice gunplas kek.

>>2065259
I will when everyone on this website stops posting scrotes.(ban evasion)

No. 2065280

>>2065276
Or why don’t you just realize that most women are straight including you

>>2065269
Based. Normalize ugly women, we have enough ugly moids as is

No. 2065296

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>>2065267
Many JP yuri artists also do yaoi at times, and some others are fujos that do yuri at times. This artist exclusively does yuri though, she just has a stereotypical feminine artstyle, which is not that uncommon to see in yuri. There is this one artist (Tima) that has this hyperfeminine artstyle to the point of looking bad lmao.(ban evasion)

No. 2065304

>Sal Jiang getting shat on
Goddamn it, she's like one of the few JP GL artists who isn't male, doesn't draw bobble headed ugguu-ing pug-faced anime high-schoolers blushing and crying at a mere hand holding, and actually uses the word lesbian in her works. Only thing that comes close to that stuff like tmfly's How Do We Relationship. Which is fucking painful considering the amount of decent JP GL is like next to none. So much so that most of the GL that I read is Korean or Chinese.

No. 2065313

>>2065304
Most of those replies are dick-obsessed het women, what can you expect

No. 2065314

>>2065269
No one in that image looks butch

No. 2065319

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>>2065242
>>2065269
ok, let me get this straight, you think normal people who want gnc women who aren't moid bait are the same tumblr queers who smacks every anime girl with the uggo stick? Where are you pulling this from? Your blood soaked rear? I'd personally like mine to be good looking but not in ways that beget a moid gaze. You can be good looking, masc, and free of scrote-pandering bullshit without turning them into a diseased orge. Just becuase they look a bit male-ish doesn't negate the fact they're still women but tell me how a muscle butch women is basically a man. And we mean by by tomboy, we mean pic rel.
At this rate we can agree to disagree and move on with our lives because this is going nowhere.

No. 2065332

>>2065313
Why don’t you get mad at gay moids for being dick obsessed? Oh wait, it’s because you’re a misogynist

No. 2065333

>>2065313
>dick-obsessed het women
kek thats like saying pussy obssesed lesbian

No. 2065335

>>2065269
my waifu rin looking cute as always

No. 2065336

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>>2065335
>fellow rin enjoyer
based beyond belief nonnie

No. 2065340

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>>2065280
I have no issues claiming I'm straight. I'm really straight actually, a turbohet if you must and I just appreciate women in platonic ways you lower hets are unable to comprehend. I am simply ascended into another level of heterosexuality. Hope you plebs catch up someday because shitting on beautiful female friendships is very misogynistic of you.(ban evasion)

No. 2065347

>>2065340
marcille and falin?

No. 2065351

>>2065335
>>2065336
I hate how they turned Umi into a fucking poojeet. Still not as bad as Pana or Maki I guess. Black fat sassy Nozomi is unironically in character and she looks cute.

No. 2065352

>>2065202
I don't even think it was true back then, I think they just hated love interest characters like Sakura from Naruto.

No. 2065353

>>2065094
Personally I wouldn't even have a problem with the "sexy rapist" trope but it's literally the only role GNC women are given in GL ever, it's always some Sailor Uranus looking vaguely androgynous but extremely well-groomed woman who's overly flirtatious and makes all the straight women suddenly want to be fucked by her. It's such a bihet fantasy and I'm sick of it, butches deserve to be real characters instead of just fetishes. Like that served cold webtoon that was mentioned upthread, I got so fucking annoyed at it being an obvious power fantasy of a MPDG taking her away from her boring housewife life that I dropped it because I get enough of that shit in real life. That's why artists who draw butch x butch are so fucking based despite yurifags constantly crying and whining about them "looking like men".

>>2065239
More yuri needs to look like this just to piss off the yuripedo who can't coom to anything but pornified femmes kek

No. 2065354


No. 2065355

>>2065219
Teto's cuter and Gumi has a better voicebank

No. 2065356

>>2065352
the sakura hate was based, although hinata should have been hated more for what a shitty character she was. zero personality outside of trying to suck narutos dick

No. 2065358

>>2065353
Anon those are two men

No. 2065361

>>2065358
they both have yaoi hands its hard to tell them apart please andastand

No. 2065364

>>2065209
> Why are "queers" obsessed with teens and kid's sexualities?
The real answer is most of them are teenagers themselves

No. 2065369

>>2065356
I fucking loved Hinata before Shippuden, she was so cute and I just wanted to protect her. Then in Shippuden she looks like a dumb loser bimbo caricature and my love for her went away. Her fight against Pain was the only good thing about her in Shippuden. Oh whatever. Konan became my new waifu. Cried when I bought a Shounen Jump issue with the chapter of her death accidentally spoiling my 15yo ass.

No. 2065376

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>>2065358
No, I suggest all yuri should look and read like yaoi but without dicks but since the entire genre and community is filled with irl kikomis like yuripedo and her million male counterparts it's never going to happen because they would get triggered at something that's not a barely legal woman with gigantic tits being raped.

No. 2065383

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>>2065356
Most of the characters who people bring up as being 'hated' by fujoshis are just hated by everyone or only liked by extreme waifufags anyway

No. 2065388

>>2065383
Lol fujos hate Hermione? That's really pathetic.

No. 2065390

>>2065388
I don't think I've seen a fujo hate her, I guess the meme just assumed they did?

No. 2065391

>>2065383
how are yashiro and nobara hated by fujos? literally no one in the jkk fandom even cares about nobara (including the author himself kek)

No. 2065392

>>2065383
Yeah I really don't think hating characters like Misa, Hinata, Sakura, Hermione or Mikasa is exclusive to fujos at all because literally everyone takes a shit on them, the only people whiteknighting Sakura are the ones who hardcore project into her. As for Ochacho everyone just ignores her and for Yashiro and that chick from JJK I have never seen anyone hate them.

No. 2065395

>>2065319
>I'd personally like mine to be good looking but not in ways that beget a moid gaze. You can be good looking, masc, and free of scrote-pandering bullshit without turning them into a diseased orge.
So post an example of good looking butch/GNC masc women then instead of bitching about it.

No. 2065400

>>2065383
i always just self insert into them and headcanon them as fujos. I still like the idea of april o neil being a filthy fujo who writes casey jones yaoi

No. 2065403

>>2065400
ungodly based

No. 2065419

>>2065383
What the fuck? Literally everyone liked nobara until gege went mask off with his misogyny and made it clear he has no desire to write female characters at all.

No. 2065420

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>>2065395
NTA but every time something like this gets posted as an example yurifags start screaming about how IT'S A MAN NOOO IT'S A MAN THATS NOT A WOMAN SHUT UP MUH LATENT BISEXUALITY REEEEE. I'm very masc, built, and much taller than my girlfriend and I like seeing couples like this because femme x femme does absolutely nothing for me, yuripedo can dilate while coping and seething about it.

No. 2065426

>>2065395
People like her don't actually like butch women. You don't become an obsessed fujo out of your love for GNC females. Even the twitter pornsick bihets constantly salivating for women visually indistinguishable from men like GNC females more than anyone in this fucking thread.

No. 2065432

>>2065419
eh nobara was never an interesting character nor did she ever do anything important, so her being dead aint that tragic. maki is just better in every way possible.

No. 2065433

>>2065420
>I like seeing couples like this
So you read yaoi because you love butch/femme couples? Makes a lot of sense.

No. 2065437

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>>2065426
>women visually indistinguishable from men
actual mask off moment. Go get catfished some more by your online "girlfriend" while beating it to strike witches loli doujins and don't come back.

>>2065433
I actually prefer butch x butch. Here's another from the same artist.

No. 2065439

>>2065383
Hinata is a pathetic loser obsessed with Naruto who doesn’t give a fuck about her because he’s in love with Sakura who in return is busy chasing after a scrote who literally hates her. So can you really blame the fujos for hating these couples and shipping Narusasu instead?

No. 2065442

>>2065437
So you read about two males getting together because you actually like two females getting together? That makes even more sense.

No. 2065445

>>2065437
Finally some good food. Thank you nonna, your doing the universe's work right now.

No. 2065446

>>2065437
>draw boy
>call girl
based

No. 2065452

>>2065383
looks like fujos are based feminists for hating moid obsessed characters like misaka, sakura, hinata and misa misa

No. 2065454

>>2065452
Funny when fujos are the ultimate moid obsessed women.

No. 2065460

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>>2065442
It's not my fault all talented female manga artists actually capable of telling a good story and doing passable art are drawing BL instead of GL, nonnie. I'm not going to violently rewire my brain to force myself into liking polilez-esque webtoon GL with shitty art made for literal teenagers or lonely housewives or boring as fuck hyperfemme yuri coomery just so I could earn my imaginary SSA badge from yuripedo.

>>2065445
Thanks nonny, mwah ♥

No. 2065462

>>2065454
some of you clearly cant understand a joke

No. 2065465

Anyone else hesitant to befriend fujos in fear they might become tif or do I need to take my schizo meds?

No. 2065469

>>2065465
Don't befriend the yumeaidens who start selfinserting too much into their blorbo and you'll be fine. I've weeded them out and I have lots of fujo friends actually identifying as female.

No. 2065474

>>2065465
no? most of my fujo friends are just normal women and not weird tifs, but if you can befriend jp, korean or chinese fujos those are easily the most based ones

No. 2065477

>>2065426
I'm starting to realize these must be the type of people who are into TIFs and cuntboys. It's such a specific kind of taste.

No. 2065485

>>2065477
It's what fujo porn brainrot does to your brain.

No. 2065495

>>2065465
It's just the unfortunate realities of nerd spaces as of late, try seeking out ones who are less online.

No. 2065516

>>2065460
>polilez-esque
This is funny when you can find more polilez women in fujo spaces than GL spaces.

No. 2065533

>>2065495
the anime/manga fandom is overrun with tifs for some reason and all the normies only like the popular shounens.

No. 2065549

>>2065437
>>2065420
Who's the artist? All reverse image search turning up is other yaoi or het images, unsurprisingly.

No. 2065566

>>2065549
@gwajamZbra on Twitter.

No. 2065579

I'm glad I don't have the level of delusion where I'd read bishies frotting dicks and buttfucking and imagine them as totally butch lesbians. I'm also glad I wasn't heavily traumatized by a moid that I'd have to repress my bisexuality and larp as a lesbian where the only outlet for my sexuality is reading male-centric fiction.(trying to start a fujo infight)

No. 2065587

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>>2065579
Cope and seethe, maybe in your deranged incel rape fantasies you'll finally find peace. Personally, I'm glad I'm not mentally damaged enough to having to imagine little anime girls being abused to coom.(infighting)

No. 2065654

>>2065420
the butch you posted here is indistinguishable from a guy though, it isn’t really similar to butches irl who can only really pass as male to the elderly with vision issues or over pictures. that’s not a bad thing but it’s weird to go the tumblr route and be like “ummm no actually this just reflects my lived experience and that’s why i like it?!”

No. 2065757

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>>2065654
Right, exaggerated body proportions in drawings are meant for male characters only and female cartoon characters always need to have long lashes and a hourglass figure so that people won't get confused.

No. 2065762

>>2065757
Funny that you hate on "femme bimbos" when it's exactly that, exaggerated proportions.

No. 2065775

>>2065762
Just how does that line of reasoning even work? You don't have to like pastel pink if you like pastel yellow despite them both being pastel colors.

No. 2065776

>>2065654
It's no use convincing these types of fujo polilezzies. They're so deep in delusion and insecure in their own sexuality that they can only look at het and yaoi images and headcanon them as lesbians so they can pretend they're not lusting after males. These types of fujolards tend to be in prison gay relationships with other fellow fujolards to keep up their lesbian LARP too, which is very hilarious and sad on so many levels.(fujosperging)

No. 2065778

>>2065776
>t-these fujolard polilezzies larp lesbians so hard they actually live in a lesbian relationship!!!
kek

No. 2065797

>>2065778
Pretty sure that you being part of the fujo community aren't a stranger to prison gay fujos and pooners.

No. 2065798

>>2065757
as i said in my post i don’t think it’s a bad thing but that is literally draw boy call girl. it’s exaggerated yes and that’s why it falls into that category. i think it’s dumb to police sexuality based on what media someone looks at anyway though (eg lesbian fujos are lesbians, gay guys obsessing over hyper sexed hyper feminine pop stars are still gay, “bisexual” dudes into traps are often just straight or jailhouse “gay”, etc.)

No. 2065924

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Anyone else get sick of the types always trying to virtue signal with "BUT IF THE GENDERS WERE REVERSED" as if these characters/jokes aren't exclusively written by moids lol

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>>2065924
Yep that's why at least half of the examples in that list are still written as possible love interests despite being annoying as hell. I doubt female fans are the ones clamoring for more 'crazily obsessed with a guy' kinds of female characters. I can't think of many male examples from kids cartoons other than Sheldon though I'm sure there's more.

No. 2066065

>>2065202
Because they're tourists with a victim complex that should have been gatekept from nerdy hobbies, otherwise they would know a lot of fujoshi also read shojo/josei manga and many of them got into BL because of shojo and josei manga.

No. 2066083

>>2065383
>Nobara
>Hermione
>hated by fujoshi
Whoever made this pic was doing crack.

No. 2066095

>>2065465
Yes and I say this as a fujo. Irl my fujo friends are TRAs and one of them is terminally online as a result of being a neet and shut in and given her circumstances I suspect she could consider being enby. Online I don't befriend anyone anymore to avoid that shit. I had a twitter account to talk about weeb shit and my irl friends and I were following each other but I deleted it and remade it months later to avoid them and their TRA posts. They never go far enough to read fanfics of het shit labeled as BL where one of the characters is a fakeboi though, same with fanart, so maybe they're just trying to virtue signal.

No. 2066099

>>2065924
men are the ones that invented the yandere trope in the first place

No. 2066103

>>2065924
But the Kanker Sisters were actually funny and they'd always beat up the Eds

No. 2066136

>>2066103
Didn’t one of them give eddy a handjob kek

No. 2066145

>>2066065
No there's still fujo that hate women, based fujos arent threatened by het shippers and have fun, like me. I ship both yaoi and het stuff without feeling threatened or le offended at either genre.

No. 2066147

>>2066136
Wat. I don't remember this.

No. 2066160

Some of you guys were meant to be watching the office, not anime. Return to where you belong.

No. 2066205

>>2066014
>>2065924
Not a cartoon but I vaguely remember the male friend on Hannah Montana being obsessed with her, or the little nerdy friend on iCarly.

No. 2066391

>>2066145
Nowadays these female character hating fujoshi seem like a tiny minority. At most they'll just ignore female characters, while the same ones 10 or 20 years ago were a bit more vocal (and weren't always wrong, some of the characters they insulted and hated were actual trash or from trashy series in general, like Sakura from Naruto). I think we're both part of the majority of fujoshi who like some female characters and some het ship but treat it as a separate preference compared to BL and gay ships we like.

No. 2066728

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>>2065460
where's this from? who's the artist? help

No. 2067302

>>2066099
Women made it better.

No. 2067708

>>2065189
>hyperfem balloon tit bimbos
I don't know about korean GL but most male gazey yuri manga is about super-pure fluffy girls blushing and being cute together (male yurifags think of this as the pinnacle of femininity). Why do you guys always miss with your male gaze analysis of GL manga..?

This is iust my impression but 'moe virginal girls in love' male gaze is pretty compatible with het/bi female readers who are uncomfortable with lesbian sex (for whatever reason) and complain about any trace of eroticism. Every time a smutty GL gets released you can be sure to see women complaining about it and asking for more wholesome yuri manga, as if it isn't already the majority

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I know it's a joke but the fact that this how people unironically engage with media is so disheartening. It makes me not want to share the stuff I create either when I already know the people won't even bother engaging with the text of something I wrote and just use my characters and face claims for their OCs and AUs.

No. 2067790

>>2067302
male yanderes are cringe

No. 2067793

>>2067790
You're cringe

No. 2067809

Forget the fujos, yumes, etc etc. What do you nonnas think about the kinners?

No. 2067811

>>2067809
i used to be one

No. 2067821

>>2067785
I know how you feel nonny, I'm about to release my first original work and I'm pretty tense about the possibility of it going viral and developing a fanbase because people at large are so disrespectful at the author and consciously choose to ignore the canon because they just want to use the characters as their own little OCs. I'm not even talking about drawing my character holding a trans demi nonbinary whatever flag because that's just random autism but actually disregarding the lore I've written and had huge personal investment in and completely misinterpreting and/or flanderizing them. Or getting WAY too deep into them, some anons on this site freak me out with the level of obsession they have for a fictional character and it's a horrifying thought that someone would develop such a parasocial schizo relationship with one.

No. 2067827

>>2067785
Unless you get a very niche small "autist moids from 15 years ago" crowd, it's going to happen.
Just hope it's "the story is shit but the male characters are cute so I make them more bishie to be actually watchable" and not "the character is trans and the author is probably trans too they just don't know it."

No. 2067828

>>2067809
Mental illness

No. 2067835

>>2067809
The real mental illness ones or the zoomie larper variant? the first ones i actually appreciate because they were so spergy and milky, the zoomie variant that doesnt go beyond being annoying online is cancerous

No. 2067849

>>2067809
I thought those died out in favor of did/sys/plural/odss

No. 2067850

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No. 2067861

>>2067811
care to share your story?

No. 2067867

>>2067811
lol same some of my online friends are still kinnies and its embarrassing to see. we're not 14 anymore wtf
>>2067821
>Or getting WAY too deep into them, some anons on this site freak me out with the level of obsession they have for a fictional character and it's a horrifying thought that someone would develop such a parasocial schizo relationship with one.
i dont understand your gripe with this tbh. i plan on publicizing my original stories as well, and the thought of someone obsessing over my characters like that is very flattering

No. 2067876

>>2067861
It's nothing special, I was never delusional enough to actually think of myself as being x character I just did it because all my friends were doing it.

No. 2067904

is there much of a difference between a kinner and husbando/waifufag? both are very autistic about their favorites in slightly varying ways

No. 2067911

>>2067904
Yes. I love my husbando intensely but I treat him as a separate person from myself in my mind, I don't get it confused with actually wanting to be him which I'd say is the difference.

No. 2067913

>>2067904
they are two different things

No. 2067917

>>2067809
I was a kinnie as a teen but didn't go beyond "I just relate to these characters". Though back in 2017-2018 half of my mutuals claimed they had psychosis/identity issues/etc. (for some reason barely anyone said they had DID? Maybe it only blew up during covid) so they had more ownership over their kins and would shit on "doubles" and said they had kin memories kek. I find kinnie shit cringe now because people essentialize it way too much as an identity thing when it just boils down to relating to a character.

No. 2067924

>>2067904
How are they similar? Kinners literally think they are the character while husbandofags and waifufags are in love with the character.

No. 2067980

>>2065437
Those are men lol. Even the most masc and athletic women don't look like men.

No. 2067989

>>2067980
it's fiction who gaf nobody ever looks at cat boys and goes "durr human males can't actually have cat ears durrrr"

No. 2067992

>>2067980
she likes roidstacies, they do exist but they dont live past 40 because of the steroids

No. 2068031

>>2067904
A husbando/waifufag knows, most of the time, that they're not real. Kinners do believe they're the character even if they have never seen it before.

No. 2068070

>>2067980
it's fascinating how for some people, the only way for a woman (fictional or not) to be seen as "butch/gnc enough" is to be so drugged up on roids and hrt theyd put buck angel to shame. it's also interesting how more often than not, the people defending this shit are either straight women in denial or TIFs who just dont think its possible for women to be "truly" gnc without hormones. also, any artist drawing this shit 99% of the time draws them futa, even they know lol

No. 2068186

>>2068070
>any artist drawing this shit 99% of the time draws them futa
same can be said for femme “lesbians”

No. 2068235

>>2065516
The amount of polilez into yaoi or sexless handholding yuri is equal in my experience.

No. 2068258

>>2068235
The "I only like yaoi when they look exactly like women so I can pretend they're not moids" crowd?

No. 2068259

>>2065516
No. Like >>2068235 said the rates are very similar, just look at the amount of handmaidens in GL spaces who simp for troons (fictional or real), date males while sporting the lesbian flag… Actual lesbians prefer GL but they're still a small minority. Honestly, fakebians or open bisexuals are always the majority in any f/f space, you can't salvage your taste by accusing the other side of being polilez kek

>>2068186
Right, feminine 'futa' is infinetely more popular than 'GNC' futa

No. 2068268

>>2067809
It's a teenager thing they grow out of. Only genuine schizos take this seriously. We all did cringe shit in our teens, so I'll give them a pass for that. It was funny watching them though.

No. 2068274

>>2068268
Surprised "chuuni" as a loan word hasn't caught on tbh.

No. 2068373

File: 1719553313698.jpg (35.73 KB, 640x447, michelangelo.jpg)

>>2065420
>>2065437
Not mad at you OP but THIS is meant to be butch yuri? Fuck this shit I'm learning to draw. Retards will only learn how to draw moids, then give their 50-inch ribcages gynaecomastia tits and say "that's enough lesbian representation for one day." This barafication trend of butch women is fucking disgusting to me. These women can't reference their own girlfriends suddenly? Or even pay for life models? Moids with tits are all we get? Male Butch PsyOp thread when.

No. 2068381

>>2068373
I remember seeing this statue on a school trip and feeling enamoured by it… Teacher commented on how it looks like a man with breasts. Several people on here have commented the same but I just don’t see that… I see a woman. Am I crazy?

No. 2068392

>>2068381
They used male models because only the male body was admired at the time. They hated women that much. It's basically a scrote with boobs slapped on it.

No. 2068393

File: 1719554423050.jpeg (142.11 KB, 602x867, IMG_5681.jpeg)

>>2068373
You’re right. I know roided women exist, but this is just a heterosexual couple.

No. 2068396

>>2068381
Imagine your hand wrapping around the right boob, there's a lot of man pec space there around the bulge.
The torso is generally thicker.

No. 2068401

>>2068381
There's a theory that there was a lack of female models during Renaissance, it was considered inappropriate for them to be naked in front of men. So they assume the models who posed for Michelangelo were males that he adapted to look like females. Those boobs look like oranges glued to a male's pec and don't follow the female anatomy.

No. 2068402

>>2068186
>>2068259
ayrt. im sure there's still futa of feminine women, but unlike with fanart of gnc women i don't have to brace myself for surprise dick every damn time i stumble across nsfw of them. and while morons slapping dicks on gnc women is a problem in general, my observations are that artists who draw masc women all roidpigged are much more likely to dick it up as well.
>>2068373
KEK your picrel. my thoughts exactly, nonna, brilliantly put. hell even michelangelos "woman" looks more like a woman than whatever fuckery is being presented to us by the male "butch" psyop (i would join that thread in a heartbeat btw).

No. 2068405

>>2065798
>i think it’s dumb to police sexuality based on what media someone looks at anyway though (eg lesbian fujos are lesbians, gay guys obsessing over hyper sexed hyper feminine pop stars are still gay, “bisexual” dudes into traps are often just straight or jailhouse “gay”, etc.)
Do you also apply this logic to people into loli/shota shit?

No. 2068407

>>2068259
>just look at the amount of handmaidens in GL spaces who simp for troons (fictional or real), date males while sporting the lesbian flag…
That's not what a polilez is.

No. 2068409

>>2068407
Polilez has many manifestations, the 70s radfem era is the OG but not the only one.

No. 2068412

>>2065798
isn't the amount of fujos that exist online solely because most BL romance is written and drawn by women and for women? Not talking about the smut, but women tend create characters with personalities and storylines that appeal to women, especially compared to balloon tits harem anime
I don't care for it but i can see how so many women get sucked up into it when looking for media to consume

No. 2068417

>>2068381
You need to get your eyes checked.

No. 2068421

>>2068412
Out of my ass, I'd say about 30-40% are actual true fujo blooded voyerists that get off of two dudes fucking.
The rest are self insert yumefujos, trapfags that like the girlier the better, trend hoppers, women who read anything that seems neat and happen to like bl style, and women wanting women written stuff.

No. 2068426

>>2067992
Roidstacies irl don't even look remotely like the pics that anon posted. Those are literally just bara men with a "woman" label slapped on to it.

No. 2068440

>>2068412
>>2068421
>>2068405
Gentle reminder that there's a separate thread for fujo discourse and that you should go there if you want to discuss fujos.

No. 2068441

>>2068393
Aw I like Hamlet's stuff tho

No. 2068448

>>2067809
>kinning
>war flashbacks
is that even still a thing anymore? I thought the hot new identity for middle schoolers was therians
I don't get self inserters in general on a personal level. I don't know if I'm a voyeurfag or a yume or a hetfag or whatever since I like hetshit but I don't self insert and in many cases can't. not in a 'no way! haha' way but in a I can't conjure up an image of myself way, but I'm 90% sure this is some dissociative mental illness and/or wanting to see a hot man and a hot woman is a symptom of bishit and identity issues. I don't know how to word the next sentence without seeming pretentious or like a humble brag but I wish I could self insert with my husbandos. How do people do it? I can't imagine myself with anyone or anything, except maybe other women fictional or not. but I've never been in a relationship

No. 2068463

>>2068448
Literally me lol. I can imagine myself in a romantic context but sexual? How do you not cringe? How do you even imagine yourself having sex with a 2D husbando, is he stuffing his paper penis inside you? Do you become a drawing? It's very baffling to me.
I'm mostly a fujo but it would be impossible for me to self-insert in a relationship with a gay moid when the whole point is that he's gay. I don't even consider myself a "voyeur" I'm not imagining myself looking at two people. I'm just imagining the two people and their intimacy which will never involve me in any way, shape or form.

No. 2068470

>>2068448
I was just like you, I didn't self insert until recently, I think it comes to preference, like I hate certain genres of media and there's nothing wrong with them. It could also be related to other personal experiences. My blocks for self inserting were
>Non canon bothered me
>I had self image issues
>sexual trauma
I got over some of them over time and I have one self insert now, but only with one character, all the rest I prefer ships. I don't know what changed and made me accept this self insert thing, because they were extremely cringe to me in the past. They still are, I would never post about mine online, ever.
>>2068463
>is he stuffing his paper penis inside you? Do you become a drawing? It's very baffling to me.
Have you ever done that aphantasia test? I feel like people with more difficulty picturing stuff have more trouble with that. I either imagine the self insert in the character's style or I make the character more realistic, it's hard to explain, it's just a very vivid picture in my mind. I'm not discarding the cringe though kek, it can be cringy sometimes, but it's a guilty pleasure.

No. 2068481

>>2068470
I don't have aphantasia (if anything I have an overactive imagination) but I do have trouble with first-person memory formation. There's this meme disorder called SDAM and I relate a lot to it. To be clear I can imagine myself having sex with a 3D guy but not with a drawing, I can't even conceptualize how that would work.
What confuses me is if you're imagining your self-insert having sex, isn't that also voyeuristic? Do you really relate that closely to a character you created even if obviously she's not you? Because I turn moids a lot more realistic when I imagine them having sex with each other but if I had to also insert a real-life guy into the picture it would break my brain

No. 2068486

>>2068448
I'm a bit like you in that I can't full on self-insert and prefer imagining hetships I like, but I can imagine myself in the place of the girl. And I don't imagine her acting like me, but I always imagine her more in line with her canon personality and I just mentally exist in her place.
I can more fully self insert if its something like a pokemon game or something similarly blank-slately and romanceless, and I can have normal IRL relationships, but I can't place myself in a fictional one.

No. 2068489

>>2068481
I guess it's as you say, a bit voyeuristic, but when I imagine them together, it's less about her and more about the character I'm into kek. I'm more focused on what he's doing. While I picture shipping, then it's more about both characters, so it feels more voyeuristic to my standard.
>Do you really relate that closely to a character you created even if obviously she's not you?
I do relate to her, she has some of my traits so it's enough for me, but I agree that there's some voyeuristic level to it. This is my only self insert experience and it's pretty recent, a few years ago I would have never gotten into it. I was just like the other anon, so idk how much of an outlier I am in the self shipping group.

No. 2068496

>>2068448
Ngl I was bullied too much when I was a kid so the thought of self inserting just fills me with embarassment, cringe, and shame.
I have a lot more fun just voyeuring it up and don't want to force myself to look at a mirror and say motivational shit when I read romance.

No. 2068539

>>2068470
I not only have an overactive imagination but hyperphantasia so I think imagining a fake man as a real man isn't really an issue. When I imagine myself as part of the experience I often envision static or somebody else that looks maybe similar but different. I don't know if I have something like SDAM but I have a degree of faceblindness when it comes to my own face, or maybe a lack of a personal identity? Is it possible that I just like being someone else and live vicariously through that instead of directly self inserting? Ok honestly the more I think about it just sounds like I'm a voyeur. Maybe I do like sitting in the cuck chair kek
>>2068486
>>2068463
>And I don't imagine her acting like me, but I always imagine her more in line with her canon personality and I just mentally exist in her place.
>I'm just imagining the two people and their intimacy which will never involve me in any way, shape or form.
I think I agree with these two statements equally. I could exist in her place or even his but I'm just a guest. It's not about me.
>I can more fully self insert if its something like a pokemon game or something similarly blank-slately and romanceless,
It's retarded but I think I'm already a blank slate so it's like painting on a white canvas with white. I'd much rather be someone else or at least have a female mc with a spine regardless of what she looks like.

No. 2068543

File: 1719566040173.jpg (146.49 KB, 634x803, article-2353420-1A9DA7FD000005…)

>>2068070
KEK if someone actually traced a realistic normal woman (i.e. not a super skinny supermodel) it would probably look much closer to those "buck angel butches" than the dainty anime woman people expect, peoples' perception of female anatomy is so absolutely fucked that I need to remind everyone how people genuinely developed tinfoil hat theories about Abby from TLOU being a tranny psyop because they could not fucking comprehend a woman who didn't have exaggeratedly feminine anatomy (despite her being modeled after an IRL female actor who was way more jacked than the actual character ended up being btw) and blew the fuck up because Aloy from Horizon was "too manfaced". Fuck off with this, just be honest and say you don't like masculine women and none of this "nooo it's actually a scrote" bullshit.

No. 2068545

>>2068543
That isn’t realistic. It still has super skinny arms.

No. 2068550

>masculine women are drawn as and viewed as pseudo men and thats made even more clear by the fact that often the women drawing them also give them penises
>you just hate masculine women
every time.

No. 2068557

File: 1719567668155.jpg (540.86 KB, 1079x2322, comodjfksidt.jpg)

>>2068543
Exactly. The way women are usually drawn has majorly skewed people's perception. Shit like >>2065654 is crazy because the differences between 2D men and women are miniscule in certain anime-inspired styles. Like, their profiles are literally the same, one just has short hair and wears something baggy. Would longer lashes or a more visible chest be the only thing that makes her look feminine enough to count?

>>2068550
Actual bait kek, there are no dicks anywhere

No. 2068558

>>2068550
>n-no actually I just dislike how t-they're…. checks notes… given PENISES every time!!!!
As if 99% of all futas aren't feminine with huge tits KEK, none of the posted artists draw dicks on these women you sped and that's 100% shit you came up with to justify your disgust at masc women and you're too embarrassed at yourself to even admit it.

No. 2068559

>>2068558
ayrt i know they give feminine women dicks, doesnt change the fact that masculine women also deal with that as well. im attracted to gnc women, i dont think someone who was disgusted at gnc women would be upset or bothered at the shit way they're drawn.

No. 2068561

>>2068559
Yeah and people draw masculine women with vaginas too so what's your point? Those straws are getting too embarrassing for grasping

No. 2068562

Can't people just post what they actually want a gnc woman to look like?
Or even male characters you wish were women, at least.

No. 2068563

>>2068561
genuinely what on earth are you talking about

No. 2068569

File: 1719568647783.png (106.29 KB, 266x375, Abby_in_The_Last_of_Us_Part_II…)

>>2068557
It's so fucking infuriating how people don't see this, as a teenage artist I did the same experiment and was genuinely shocked at how "stocky" and "burly" women actually are compared to the skinny anime characters I was drawing. And even when someone posts athletic women with buff arms people still whine how they're corner cases and don't really exist in the general populace, but for some fucking reason male characters can look like superathletes without much other reasoning than the author wanting them to. The people whining about masculine-looking female characters "looking too much like men" are just simply retarded in my books and too weak to admit to their own skewed perceptions. Seriously, imagine looking at this and writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of how she's a tranny psyop to brainwash people into finding troons hot when this is like the body of a basic female athlete. But then again I remember some schizo on lolcow ranting about how a female character wearing a sports bra is a tranny psyop too because "normal women don't wear sports bras".

No. 2068583

File: 1719570132236.jpg (310.87 KB, 1618x1992, 100 percent natural gainz.jpg)

>>2068543
>irl female actor thats way more jacked
try to pick a woman thats not obviously using steroids next time if you want to make a point about people not liking masculine women in their "natural" state. you think its normal that every damn gnc woman gets turned into roided up barabait when theyre not being uberfeminized? i just want to see some normal-ass gnc women not on hrt or steroids, but youd think i was asking for all of them to be turned into paris hilton. theres a middle ground here, but you barafags constantly call any woman thats not fucking up their endocrine system "feminine". speaking of which, if its such a normal female form, how come youre not pushing for more feminine characters to get the roid treatment too? i'd at least respect some consistency if this is just a matter of wanting realistic depictions. also, extremely disingenuous to equate abby (realistic artstyle) to animu artstyles. abby is just fine in her medium, this shit >>2065437 is not.

No. 2068586

>>2065437
Honestly if you just cut out a slight bit from right's back and neck and fixed the left shoulder on left it'd probably look fine.

No. 2068589

>>2068586
Also isn't right's right arm pretty damn long?

No. 2068595

>>2068583
Abby is way more masculine than what's portrayed here >>2065437 you dumbass, holy shit the perception people here have of female bodies is flabbergasting. I'd scrotefoil but I know plenty of women themselves have been gaslit into this mindset themselves. Take a look at real women's photographs and take some measurements to compare them to and you'll be surprised at how IRL women's proportions start looking like "roidpigs". Funny how none of these "they look like men" retards never post acceptable GNC characters themselves despite constantly egging others to do so and the rare times they do it's a pretty girl with short hair or a tomboyish teenager.

No. 2068596

>>2064964
This is just a thread where people confess to being terminally online.

No. 2068600

>>2068595
>different artstyles should be held to different standards
yes.

No. 2068601

>>2068600
By your own admission, shouldn't someone mainly drawing masculine butch lesbians be judged in her personal work's context and not compared to someone drawing them as petite anime girls? I already know you're going to say "no" because what you meant to say is "I should be able to coom to all anime girls and instead I feel threatened by these ones".

No. 2068602

>>2068557
Manga women are Asian though and they're going to be a lot more petite than Taylor Swift

No. 2068606

>>2068600
This but I don't care about whatever stupid fandom debate is happening itt

No. 2068607

File: 1719572045549.jpeg (418.11 KB, 1678x1194, FcNUJ9_aUAABrwz.jpeg)

>>2068583
Kek aren't you just saying you don't like muscles or whatever you think bara means when talking about lesbians

No. 2068610

>>2068557
There's different thinness metrics according to everyone's body, height, even ethnicity. It's just a matter of observation imo. And Taylor Swift is built like a fridge.

No. 2068611

>>2068569
I think Abby is ok design wise, I don't find her as ugly as other people do, and her side of the story is lame af but not that bad honestly. It gives me the ick looking at her having sex though, I just hate that trop in anything, movies, games, whatever. They made hetero sex look even grosser kek. I hate that she beats up the lesbians but protects the trans kid. And tbh this is just my opinion but the second game was unnecessary and killed the franchise off kek. I don't care that Joel died, I just think this whole thing was just a triple A fanfic game with a lot of ooc moments basically. Cool graphics and improved gameplay though

No. 2068613

File: 1719572850064.webp (28.63 KB, 1200x675, my-hero-academia-character-mir…)

>>2068607
Let's be real, anons will be fine with tall muscular mommy doms and other cartoonishly built female characters as long as they're not butch lesbians kek, that crosses the line.

No. 2068615

>>2068613
Abby is not a lesbian kek, I think people just like anything with anime eyes slapped on top

No. 2068616

>>2068615
These girls >>2065437 clearly are and that's the one they had a problem with. Read the thread.

No. 2068619

File: 1719573319226.png (31 KB, 986x212, last-3.png)

>>2068611
I don't mind Abby's design either. I think people complaining about her being muscular is stupid. She was raised in a stadium with a gym and good food supplies. Her dad was a scientist in a bio lab so it's not unreasonable to assume she could be juiced.
>killed the franchise off kek
Last of Us 3 is happening

No. 2068620

>>2068601
if an artist is drawing all women roided up no matter how feminine or masculine then sure, i dont care. but that's not what's happening.

No. 2068623

>>2068620
The goalposts keep moving. I wonder why it's so hard for anons to admit that they don't find muscular and masculine women attractive, instead they have to go the full twitterfag morality route and sperg about them looking like men and heterofying their pure and hawt yuriz. I hope you're this anal and unable to suspend disbelief with breasts defying gravity, extremely fit and flat stomach on female characters that aren't athletic and muscular bodies on male characters that don't work out, male characters with 10 inch dicks, impossibly long hair and other traits that don't exist in real life.

No. 2068624

File: 1719573943596.jpeg (109.46 KB, 1023x882, GQ8Hq91WoAAcpsa.jpeg)

The entire discussion reminded me of picrel kek

>>2068620
And if the artist mainly likes masc women roided and the femme ones small? Are you going to get angry with them?

No. 2068628

>>2068624
It's about knowing there's pussy, the looks or realism doesn't matter

No. 2068632

>>2068623
They can't settle for preferences. It must be a moral right that butch and masc women are a secret troon plot to infiltrate SSA spaces when they've existed since antique. But to tell them this truth reveals their inherent misogyny against women. Their credulous rhetoric was born from troon worship yet they refuse believe the overlap they share with the so called TRA they so despie. Look how yuripedo's talking points are the same TIM logic they love to use to harass gnc out of LGB spaces? they look like men therefore they must be men, therefore to be a true lesbian, they must be as fem as possible. It's all so retarded that even a straight person can look at this and call it bluff.
Are you gonna walk up to a straight woman who likes feminine men and call her closeted lesbian? Absolutely not. I swear, stuff like this breeds queers like crazy. I don't believe for a second Yuripedo is genuinely a sane human being. She has to be troll who exist to further divide an otherwise divisive group of people.

No. 2068637

>>2068632
It wouldn't be the first time farmers were posting photos of some butch lesbian convinced that she was an actual man and not just a muscular, masculine-looking woman, only to be further embarrassed when irrefutable proof of their birth sex is brought up. As you said, they claim to hate trannies for erasing sex and relying on perceived societal gender standards for assigning identities on people but that's exactly what they themselves do, all the time. It looks like a man, so it has to be a man and now it's heterosexual. And indeed, it's curious how this never works the other way around, a man could be a crossdressing little Asian twink but he'll never be a woman to them. To me it's the inherent disgust they feel for masculine women and nothing more, nothing less, and very reminiscent of 2nd wave polilezzies who wanted butches to be thrown out of lesbian safe spaces because they "made them uncomfortable for being essentially men".

No. 2068647

File: 1719575824695.jpg (679.86 KB, 1440x1080, comparison.jpg)

>>2068632
You're right anon, sporty women and men look exactly the same.

No. 2068648

>>2068647
I was sarcastic also.

No. 2068655

>>2068628
finally some honesty. i have much more respect for you than for the fags who desperately want to convince me that these totally read as women actually. honestly im just tired of the notion that only draw-a-baramoid-call-it-a-woman artworks can qualify as butch/gnc and if you dont like those depictions then you clearly hate masc women.
>>2068632
>>2068637
>extrapolating a discussion about the depiction of fictional butch/gnc women to real life for some reason
irl butches will always look like women because of their female anatomy, but i suppose it makes sense to get weirdly defensive over people rightfully calling out the "draw a man's anatomy call it a woman" trend for gnc women if you can't tell them apart from men irl kek.

No. 2068670

File: 1719577026189.jpg (729.38 KB, 3840x2160, same artist.jpg)

>>2065437
>>2065420
i went to her twitter and picrel is by the same artist. i think she just copies male photos instead of actual muscled up women. these were the ones where i could distinctly tell they were meant to be women because boobs, whilst all the rest of her images literally just looked like men. her male portraits look amazing but her female portraits look off. like if the bara seme art style was projected onto lesbians and not if a woman was muscled.

No. 2068675

File: 1719577558972.jpg (93.58 KB, 750x740, tumblr_6fa0cc1b0dc28f5728d5bf7…)

>>2068670
What do you think about Rhea Ripley kek in most pictures she's just as big as the moids around her. Or would that go back to "w-well women shouldn't be roided, they don't look that way naturally so it doesn't count"

No. 2068689

>>2068675
Nta but there's still a big difference between her and the two moids standing next to her, just look at the hips and the waist.

No. 2068691

>>2068448
>is that even still a thing anymore?
Yes except now they call it headmates as in DID

No. 2068726

File: 1719580240334.mp4 (2.36 MB, 480x852, lolcow dot farms meetup.mp4)

>>2068675
literally don't know who this is sorry but she's got proportionate hips compared to the two men flanking her, and also compared to the art posted ITT which have narrow male hips. for muscled women i like, i saved this video from a random lcf post months ago (so not my filename) and i think they look the best compared to the butch "yuri" posted. i just have standards when it comes to art kek. if someone cartoonified one of the women in the video i'd be into it but if the artist drawing them gave them stupidly broad shoulders/chest with moidhips, when the body of a female athlete clearly becomes rectangle-shaped instead of a dorito, it's like why bother drawing women at all? just follow your heart and draw yaois at that point. or, crazy suggestion, maybe just draw muscled women in proportion. i'm just frustrated with samey dorito-butch art when women just don't look like that. is it so much to ask to use a female reference? arcane suffered the same shit when i was in the fandom. narrow moidhips everywhere on couple art. once you see it you can't unsee it.

No. 2068731

>>2068545
Yeah, and the arms are slightly too short. I was also going to point out that the torso was too long, and the hips should be taller. The ribs and the iliac crest nearly touch in real life.

No. 2068792

>>2068726
Women don't look like IRL lolis either yet for whatever reason yuripedo never has a problem with that.

No. 2068819

>>2068441
Shit taste

No. 2068854

File: 1719585773664.png (692.01 KB, 873x1250, __byleth_and_byleth_fire_emble…)

Picrel is a more realistic depiction of a muscle woman than whatever "draw man call it woman" the fujo """lesbian""" up thread posted.

No. 2068867

File: 1719586164272.png (237.31 KB, 400x300, Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-22-43…)

>>2068675
I don't know why you used Rhea Ripley. She's probably on light steroids like Anavar that don't completely erase femininity. Jordynn Grace would work better.

No. 2068883

File: 1719587512076.png (3.5 MB, 2596x2000, a86cec3c-62ac-4923-be95-bc1689…)

I saw this article a while ago from Huffpost. They interviewed elite women athletes from every field. Essentially unless you are on a ton of steroids and plastic surgery the muscle mommy with massive tits is a complete moid fiction.

No. 2068938

File: 1719589533436.jpg (43.25 KB, 526x699, 448904308_467731762624592_1702…)

>>2068670
Draw a man with breast implants, call it a woman. I think artists like this would be better off drawing MtF trannies, the drawings look like tranny athletes who don't pass.

No. 2068947


No. 2068951

File: 1719590065232.png (1.49 MB, 752x2906, IMG_8579.png)

One thing that needs to be understood is that wokies and many fandom brain-rotten people genuinely believe (or at least try to believe) that there isn't any difference between men and women, not sociologically or even biologically

No. 2068955

>>2068951
Butch lesbian house? lmao. These are straight up men but yet the irony of such pales compared to their stupidity. Is this what butchphobes think gnc look like? I have more reason to believe >>2068883 pic rel than whatever the fucks going on with these tweets.

No. 2068956

>>2068463
>Do you become a drawing?
This is how I always self-inserted, yes. Have you ever drawn yourself before, even in a non-self insert context? I don't see how it's that confusing.

No. 2068958

>>2068675
I love her, I love her style, and I love watching her beat up men

No. 2068961

>>2068958
isn't she homophobic though?

No. 2068968

>>2068961
Kek no, she just said something she didn't like was gay the same way a lot of people born in the 90s would. A lot of anons here say faggot and I wouldn't call them homophobic.

No. 2068973

>>2068854
Noooooo if it actually looks female then it's just a bimbo femme for the male gaze ewwwwww

No. 2068978

>>2068958
Rhea is insanely based. If they make another Mad Max I want her in it as some desert warlord Queen.

No. 2068979

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No. 2069014

Imagine being attracted to male bodies but so biphobic you cope about it by headcanoning male characters into butches so you can continue LARPing to be a pure lesbian uwuu

No. 2069058

>>2068670
This is uncanny valley trash, I've seen yaoi art with the same type of anatomy.

No. 2069124

>>2069014
Even IRL butches can have thick mustaches apparently

No. 2069139

>yaois get called pseudofemale
>butches get called pseudomen
there is no way of winning with some of you

No. 2069143

>>2069124
Definitely this "lesbian" fujo seems to be the type to be attracted to trooned out TiFs, but that's beyond the point. No non-roided woman IRL has such exaggerated masculine body proportions as the ones posted in this thread by her. I don't know why it's so hard to admit for some people that they are attracted to male bodies or have a cuntboy fetish.



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