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No. 202410

Is it just me or does it seem like everyone is sexually obsessed with teens? Through my experience when I was a teen I got cat called and sexually harrassed 9/10 times by much older men. On every porn website teens are the most popular catagory, I'm sure everyone knows that one creep that wants to bone a 15 year old. In my gaming circle I have a friend that is a 4 channer that basically likes child porn (no surprise) he justifies it by saying it's ok that 15-18 year olds are getting fucked. My bf also told me that one of his aquintances said "imagine how tight a 13 year old would be, hey I'm just sayin what everyone is thinking". Lmao ya if you're a pedophile. I also feel like hollywood is adding on to this by casting teen girls with 30+ yr old love interests, I know they've been doing this forever but still. Wtf is so desirable and lustful about undeveloped kids? It's pretty damn disgusting how people love preying on them. Thoughts?

No. 202412

I'm not too certain, but I do think teens today are looking/dressing older than before. My friend's sister&friends are taller than us and honestly look like they could possibly be models, I don't think they even had an awkward stage.

There are even clubbing events for them, seen some at music festivals, I find it quite gross.

No. 202413

porn is ruining everyone

No. 202414

in some places it's gone even younger, now looking like a 16 yr old isn't enough, they want women to look like literal children, probably to condition people into thinking that its ok to like kids, like they did with teens


it starts with "oh haha, as long as they're legal I don't see the problem if they look underdeveloped" then goes to "hey if the teen consents" later goes to "it's fine and normal to want to fuck teenagers, all men want to fuck teenagers"



to be fair, I'm not gonna shit on a guy for thinking an attractive 16+ yr old is attractive, but making your interests based on youth, not even young adult youth like underdeveloped youth is problematic

No. 202419

So weird, I was just thinking about this yesterday. I saw a trailer for Mother! and it legitimately made me sick. Jennifer Lawrence still looks like a teenager in the trailer while her love interest is over 20 years older than her. It doesn't even look like a realistic relationship, the audience laughed awkwardly at it. It's definitely a case of Hollywood trying to normalise pedophilia. I mean a few years ago, Jennifer Lawrence was playing a teenager in a film loved by many teens and pre-teens. Now all of a sudden her roles are wife, divorcee, mother of two…When the girl hasn't even experiences any of these things in real life yet!!!!

No. 202421

>>202414
>I'm not gonna shit on a guy for thinking an attractive 16+ yr old is attractive, but making your interests based on youth

yeah that's a good point. realistically i get how someone who is a teen can be attractive to guys, but it's still weird how the number itself becomes a fetish now. there's lots of porn actresses now advertised as being "freshly 18",
as if they wouldn't be able to blow a load if the same actress was 21, 23, 25 or something.

also i've noticed women aren't anywhere near as creepy even over younger guys. typical fangirl obsessions yes, but not fetishizing age like that

No. 202422

This has been happening for years and it's only been getting worse. It has everything to do with the "women's ideal" = an innocent, fragile, doe eyed freak that men can protect or devour.

It's gross and it's why you, as a woman, don't find 13 year old boys attractive.

I immediatly drop a person as a friend if they start showing signs that they are okay with sexualising teens.

No. 202423

Males gonna male, I don't think anything can change thousands of years of evolution by complaining about it. We just need to focus on ourselves and ideally not encourage it by dating significantly older men and eating up the bullshit they spew about how they 'age like fine wine'. They don't, they look like shit, and they don't deserve to be praised like that when they don't even wear sunscreen or moisturizer 99% of the time.

In any case, it's clearly not an objective reflection of female attractiveness because lesbians are fine with older women. It's only gay men who suffer 'gay death' at a young age, because even gay men are naturally attracted to youth in itself. Your average teenage girl is frumpy, greasy and not anywhere near as well put together as a girl in her 20s, but 10/10 teen girls represent the entire age group in a man's mind, even if they're a tiny minority.

No. 202425

I have read studies saying that men find women more attractive if they have childlike features. Women with sharper/mature features are believed to have more testosterone. Youth has always meant beauty for women. Women age, they lose fullness in the face, features droop, etc. So, I guess that is why teens/kids are idealized. Don't know if that will ever change.

No. 202428

>>202425
Lol, this is not true. Beauty standards for women have changed immensely during time/space. Fat women, big titted woman, child bearing hips …

You can't hold it against a man that finds an overdeveloped 16year old attractive - smooth skin and womanly attributes are attractive. But men sexualising underdeveloped kiddies are sickies.

No. 202430

I don't know what is going on anymore. I see teens looking like they are in their 20s, revealing clothing with heavy makeup. There are adult women trying to look like kids.

What do you people think of this?

https://www.racked.com/2017/8/17/16143570/grown-women-dress-adult

No. 202431

Men like anything that looks like it can have babies. Men typically don't like 'underdeveloped' teens like some are suggesting, but they will be attracted to a 14 year old girl if she has hit puberty and has grown the parts that men are biologically attracted to. She'll then get sexual attention until she's roughly in her 30s.

This isn't as bad as it sounds however. I believe part of looking for younger women is due to the innate tendency to treat younger as submissive and older as authoritative. Women in their 30s will get less attention in part because men consider them more worthy of respect, and might be more reluctant to catcall them.

Women in their late teens and early 20s will always receive the brunt of that specific kind of sexual attention, but a woman will have attention for her whole life if she wants it.

No. 202443

I think you guys are missing the point, why do guys want to FUCK underdeveloped teens. I don't think it's normal at all for a growth man to find a young teenager attractive. Like what other anons say, women don't lust after teen boys, idk are men just naturally predatory or is that only reserved for the losers that are uneducated, jobless and still living with mom?

No. 202445

>>202410
It could be a sex thing, I just can't imagine why else a 22+ year old male would want to be in a relationship with a teenager. I wouldn't be able to stand them for longer than 10 minutes, they're too fucking edgy and OTT.

No. 202448

>>202443
Every predatory man I've ever met was a beta asswipe. And let me tell you, I've met a LOT of them.

I hung out in animu irc channels and forums when I was 12. That's where I met a lot of men aged from 20-30, later on irl even. These men were all lolicon, which is basically a pedophile with a better ring to it. They played disgusting visual novel/dating sim games involving prepubescent girls. Growing up in that inviroment I watched Kodomo no Jikan, Dokuro-chan and similar disgusting animu, thinking it was perfectly okay and edgy at worst. Being surrounded by people spewing that kind of shit had such a heavy influence on my perception of sexuality that I can not begin to describe it to you. I'm giving this to you as an example - I don't want to scream rape culture and whatnot, but if you constantly see sexualised images of kids around yourself, you are sure as fuck conditioned to find them attractive.

And there are a number of practices infantilising women nowadays. The trend of being skinny (WEAK) instead of toned, to be attractive. The trend of being submissive to be attractive (LOADS of extremely violent pornography, totally degrading to women, DD;LG bullshit, even mainstream books like 50 shades of grey). Womens clothes resembling those of little kids. Women are regressing in order to be attractive and this is of course not at all natural in any way.

Men that are on top of things (moral compass, educated, job, own interests or hobbies) should not be drawn to this kind of shit. My 30 something male friends perceive 18-20yr old girls at clubs as kids and consider 20-25 girls to be young.

No. 202450

>>202431
>Women in their 30s will get less attention in part because men consider them more worthy of respect, and might be more reluctant to catcall them.
Lol as fucking if. That has absolutely nothing to do with respect. Men start ignoring women when they stop wanting to fuck them. Older women that guys still deem "fuckable" continue to get catcalled. Ever heard of the term "milf?"

No. 202451

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men are fucking disgusting.

No. 202456

>>202451
source?

No. 202457

Men absolutely disgust me. All of them are pigs who think only with their dicks.

No. 202458

nice b8 m8

No. 202462


No. 202465

It's actually really simple.
Men want to feel powerful. A teenager has never had any sexual experience. It makes a man feel good to be the first and only one. And even better to believe all her sexual experiences will link back to him.
It's a power trip. Men love teen porn and casting couch porn where the girl acts like she hasn't a clue what's going on. It's like they're a part of something dangerously naughty, taking advantage of a young horny girl who doesn't know what she's getting herself into.

Men are just unfortunately wired like this. Pedophilia is a bit different and more complex than that I guess but there's a similar idea

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No. 202468

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this thread makes me glad im into women tbh


>>202419
well Hollywood is notorious for being flooded with pedophiles

No. 202469

>>202451
Fucking exposed.
How will men ever recover?

No. 202478

Last year I found out my boyfriend was texting his teenaged coworker (he was actually her manager) and she was constantly begging him to hang out. He didn't hide it from me but he didn't tell her to stop either. Eventually he told me she wanted him to go to the gym with her (when he hadn't worked out in years) and wanted to know if I was okay with that. Of course I was like "wtf no" and needed to know exactly what they were texting each other. There was nothing blatantly flirty, but he could've deleted stuff, he never directly told her she was being inappropriate, and he certainly never defended me when she said I was gross. I found another text from ~3 years ago where he bragged to his friend how "that 16 year old cashier told me she'd suck me off on my lunch break."

We're both almost 30. I told him he either told her to fucking stop or I was leaving. Long story short she ended up quitting and my boyfriend apologized to me. We have been fine for the most part since. But between that incident and reading one too many times how women "hit the wall" at 30, I've just given up. I know I'm not old or ugly but I just don't want to bother with makeup, dying my hair or staying in shape. I'm useless and gross if I can't be some sexual novelty.

I'm sorry for the blogpost and I know at lot of this has to do with my depression getting steadily worse, but I've never been able to talk about this to anyone else.

No. 202480

>>202410
Most of you already know this, but 4chan males especially. All their ''queens'' are either underage or (barely) adult women who look 14. Talk to them in private and even the seemingly normal ones are fucking obsessed with teens.

No. 202481

>>202451
this is why i never want to marry a man. so fucking gross. men consistently lose interest in their wives and seek out women in their 20's whether it's porn or irl

No. 202484

>>202478
Wow are you serious?? Why didn't you leave that scum?? He clearly wanted to fuck the coworker, I wouldn't be able to stay with my bf if he likes to look at teens like that.

No. 202486

>>202481
Oh, don't lose hope like that. Not all men are scum, you just can't allow yourself to be a pushover at any point of your life and find the right man.

No. 202487

>>202486
>being in denial this much

No. 202488

>>202450
Everyone is naturally more respectful of those older than them and naturally less respectful of those younger. It influences every area of life, but sexuality too. All women up to old age, believe it or not, will get sexual attention, but if you don't think the differing behaviour has anything to do with respect, then what?

No. 202489

>>202451
I assume the sample size of that study was waaay too small due to the way the ages jump around. It's more likely someone just pulled all that out their ass. I would be interested to see a proper study done on this though.

>>202478
You said it at the end, if you don't want to be sexual then you won't be sexual. It happens to a lot of relationships and it's not particularly limited to gender. I knew a girl who used to cheat on her boyfriend because her boyfriend just couldn't be bothered.

But also, far more common, people just get bored in relationships. Inevitably one or both will start noticing other people after some point.

No. 202490

>>202489

yeah i understand that but why would anon's bf be interested in a literal child? yes some 16 year olds can be developped but the majority are dumb as shit and and naive which is why they think theyre hot shit when getting older guys when theyre actually just being used.

my boyfriend reassures me that as long as i have sex with him he will always be satisfied (because every other aspect in the relationship is fulfilling as well) but I can't help but still be scared. Girls are such fucking sluts and I can't compete. I can text him naughty things and plan surprises and be romantic and giving but eventually I will have less time than a 16-18 year old and have a job and responsibilities to take care of.

who knows, ive never been with a women but have felt attraction a few times (since im picky when it comes to people) so maybe years down the line if I get left for some dumb ass 16 year old with raging hormones I can just find someone who's not as shallow and affected by "muh instincts'

No. 202493

>>202490
The vast majority of 16 year olds are going to be physically developed, and so they'll be physically attractive. Really this is missing the point though. If the guy is going to find someone else, it could be anyone. You don't have to compete specifically with teenagers. It's not even about competition too, he won't wake up one day and evaluate who the sexiest one is and go have sex with her. Lots more to it than that.

Sounds like he's extorting sex out of you too. You should have sex just as much as you want to have sex.

No. 202494

>>202489
Our sex life was great up until that incident. I said it was after that I lost hope in being seen as sexual, it was a tremendous blow to my confidence.

>>202484
I don't know. I am still very much in love with him. I am also in desperate need of therapy, and I don't want to give up on us until I am in a better state of mind.

No. 202505

Haven't you watched Alex Jones? He's convinced the New World Order is trying to normalize pedophilia through media influence, porn, articles promoting virped, etc.

No. 202510

>>202505
I feel like Selena Gomez and Arianna Grande are sort of anchors for it.

No. 202521

>>202451
I feel like the graph would be even lower if they allowed them a younger age


why have we made youth = beauty? it's normal to not find haggards attractive, but it seems people want women to look as young as possible forever and the whole "oh youthfulness means fertility" is BS, when men get older their balls sag and they can't get it up, so why does ~fertility~ standards only apply for women? why not men?

No. 202523

>>202521
>so why does ~fertility~ standards only apply for women? why not men?
Because women typically aren't into younger teenaged boys, unlike men.

No. 202526

>>202523
Because it could result in a 19 year mess.

No. 202532

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>>202523
you'd be surprised at how many women find teens boys attractive, they just don't go as far as wanting already young guys to look even younger, as men do in teen porn and shit


when men get called out on being attracted to the way too young type, or having unrealistic standards, they blame "hur dur fertility we want women to reproduce well" yet when have you ever seen a woman do that? women don't go around banging young looking men because ~fertility~
however if a woman is open about her standards or preferences she gets bashed, seen as shallow, sometimes gets called ugly




tldr basically it's not that women don't like young guys and men do, it's that men are allowed to and it's seen as normal

No. 202536

>>202478
I've noticed a lot of people talk about being 30 as this physical death sentence. I know plenty of people that age who look good, if you resign yourself to being over the hill so young your attitude will reflect your appearance. 30 is not fucking old. You do not miraculously look wrinkly at that age. This forum can get obsessed with age, ex kiki's laugh lines and thin ass hair, but here we are talking about men like they're the only ones perpetuating the idea that a woman is better if she looks younger

No. 202538

>>202413
Pleasantly surprised to see the top comments weren't hijacked by redpill dudebros

No. 202539

>>202451
>>202457
>>202467
>>202468

Misandry thread 3.0 when???

No. 202540

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>>202536
people who think 30 is the starting point of a downward spiral as far as looks go either have extremely high standards or have been conditioned to think young = attractive rather than actual facial features
people nowadays can't look through flaws and see beauty, you could have the most lovely structure and big gorgeous eyes, amazing hair, full lips, etc etc but the second your hair or lips thins and you get those laugh lines, zits, crows feet, small double chin, etc people think it's the end of the world and no one with flaws on their face can ever be attractive

I think nigella is hot as fuck and she's hitting 60 in less than 5 yrs, people age, people get flaws, young and old, unless you have magic genes and make bank most people get old and flawed as well, but beauty is beauty

No. 202542

>>202532

I've noticed that women say they feel creepy when they have attraction to teen boys.
Men on the other hand don't seem to feel bad about their attraction at all.

No. 202544

>>202542
I knew a 19 yr old girl who felt bad for being attracted to a 16 yr old boy, yet men nowadays have no problem being 50 and hitting on 13-17 yr old girls, openly admitting to liking loli, etc etc


I think the first clue is that if a 22 yr old man dates a 16 or 17 yr old girl it's seen as normal but a 22 yr old girl dating a 16 or 17 yr old boy it's seen as ~scandalous~ and she gets labeled as a cougar

No. 202545

>>202544
>yet men nowadays have no problem being 50 and hitting on 13-17 yr old girls
I think you're projecting experiences from the internet onto the real world because I've legitimately never seen a man proclaim he likes loli, let alone receive little to no blow back.

No. 202546

>>202451
https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e

Women think most men are unattractive, men are attracted to younger women. SCANDALOUS.

No. 202549

>>202545
nah, here several guys will just talk about how much they love loli, talk about how they airdrop loli to each other, collect it, even call some girls loli. some girls even talk about how they love loli as well I WISH I was just projecting from seeing basement dwellers

No. 202550

>>202549
>here several guys will just talk about how much they love loli
Do you live in an anime convention or something?

Like I'm surrounded by a bunch of stereotypically awkward nerds because of my major and the worst I've seen is two guys talking about CFNM.

No. 202552

>>202550
My town holds one of the biggest anime conventions in the US, lets just say my school has school funded anime club, a fucking anime club, and let that sink in


they're all memers as well, you cannot go a day without seeing a meme reference anywhere, it's like these people have no lives outside of the internet

No. 202553

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>male whiteknighting in this thread

>>202532
I wish there was a "teen boys" porn category as i'm very attracted to young looking guys. Not like milf videos but just cute men banging normal chicks.
I would never admit this in real life because people just look at me like i'm a pedo. Meanwhile 40 year olds justify their attraction towards 20 year olds as "reproduction". fucking kek

No. 202555

I think a lot of viewpoints here have been warped by the internet any imageboards. Out in the real world, men tend to get women no more than a few years younger. Any more and they get talked about and ostracised. The equivalent might be girls who're into rich daddy type figures who they can leech off. It happens, but it's frowned upon.

No. 202556

>>202536
People who are 19-21 imho. Us, who are 25-30 realize that the physical death sentence comes when you're 40 :>

No. 202557

>>202555
>Out in the real world
oh, you really are a condenscending piece of something

No. 202558

>>202557
They're entirely correct though. Call it meat space if you want for all I care, but the 30+ dude with a gf who's barely out of highschool is a social pariah.

No. 202561

>>202558
I was under the impression that at least half of the board shares the experience of dating a total advantage taking piece of shit older man-loser in high school

No. 202562

>>202556
I remember panicking about it a bit when I was about 23. I thought this was pretty much the end and it's all downhill from here. Turns out the opposite was the case, the older I got, the less I gave a shit.

>>202561
Those relationships happen, but they're far in the minority in my experience. Most people just seem to want a nice partner no more than a couple of years younger or older. It's worth remembering too that it takes two to tango. I'd argue that age of consent laws exist almost more to protect the girl from herself than from the creepy older men.

No. 202563

>>202544
Men hate it when women are attracted to teen boys. I remember when the Twilight movie came out back in 2008. Taylor Lautner was 17 when he played in the movie. Men online were SO ANGRY that adult women were drooling over how hot he was.

No. 202564

>>202562
Sorry, but you are making me so buttmad. Thinking not all men are pigs is alright by me, but please don't say that crap about how it takes two to tango!

Every media (social media, movies, magazines, books) in a young girls life tells her she is a sexual being and further tells her how she should please a man. It also tells her how romance is her only interest. It is not her fault if she wants to jump into something she does not yet fully understand. AND if she does, it should be normal to explore sexuality with inexperienced boys her age. NOT having sex with older men, that can't even get laid otherwise, because they are losers and can only manipulate young girls.

So here, age of consent laws are indeed there to protect kids from society. If you want to argue anything, you could argue the arbitraryness of age of consent, since it's different in every state.

No. 202565

>>202488
Looks and maturity. Guys leave 30+ y/os alone because A. They usually don't want to fuck them anymore and B. Even if they did, they know they're a lot harder to impress.

Absolutely not because they respect them. It's pretty clear that they don't; older women tend to get treated terribly.

No. 202566

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Lmaoing @ all the mad roasties hating on hot teens.
>muh sexualizing teens, im LE terally shaking RN
scared of competition lamo?

No. 202567

>>202566
Not really. I'm a 18 and I'm sick of gross old men blowing kisses to me.

Btw post benis or gtfo, robot

No. 202568

>>202567
so the problem is that they're gross not that they're attracted to teens
>post benis or gtfo
can't I just busted like 3 nuts and my dick is in a coma

No. 202569

>>202568
Uh, no? The problem is definitely them being attracted to girls my age, which is what makes them gross. Fuck off back to r9k, faggot.

No. 202570

>>202569
For men like that it only becomes a gross problem when it's their teenage daughter. Then they trethen other men with guns. Until then it's ~superier 16yo pussy~.

Not in the robots case tho, since they will never get to have kids lol.

No. 202572

>>202563
I think it's fair to say people hated on Twilight for a bit more than that.

t. guy actually forced to watch Twilight

Highschool relationships were a shit show.

No. 202573

>>202569
nobody gives a fuck u find that gross hoe
>>202570
>will never get to have kids
god bless

No. 202577

no, there's a definite focus on youth in society, and it's really obvious when you consider how much media about women is about YOUNG girls, and how hard it is for older actresses to find roles.
but i think it's affected me in a bad way. im 22 and i already feel like an old hag, especially since so many guys say 18-21 is the best age for women. i know there's no real difference between 21 and 22, but i already look older than i am, and i found some grey hairs in my hair the other day :( i know this is totally irrational, but there you are.
idk. I feel like young ages have some magical quality to creepy older guys. like they hear a girl say that she's 17 and that magically makes her seem more attractive. if she was 25 and looked the exact same, she wouldn't seem so appealing.
also, i find it strange how so many guys say they prefer younger girls for "fertility reasons" but younger girls have so many risk factors for stuff like preeclampsia if they do give birth. and seeing a women in the middle of childbirth having a seizure is very scary. guys are so disgusting and selfish.

No. 202599

>>202572
Haha I do remember seeing Twilight w/ a guy friend. There were two older women in front of us and when Tyler took his shirt off they went "Oh my /GOD/" "WHEW". Guy friend loudly and audibly groaned. It was pretty funny tbh.

No. 202600

>>202443
>women don't lust after teen boys
well…

No. 202602

i recently started dating really nice, sweet guy who is 3 years younger than me (we are both in our 20s) and holy shit, even my sjw friends feel inclined to tell me how weird is that and that i should date someone older. kek. sorry for blogging.

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>>202602
>i recently started dating really nice, sweet guy

this is so refreshing to see on this website

No. 202609

>>202577

awh anon, don't feel that way. I'm 21 and I know damn well I look better now than I ever did at like 16-19. And I know that's the case for a lot of women. Most of us don't look like "barely legal" porn stars or loli animu waifus at those ages, puberty is fucking awkward.

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>>202609
yeah being a teen is awful and embarrassing, but people will always get caught up in their stupid fantasies

No. 202619

>>202616
well it's not even just the behavior/dress. when i was a teen i had worse skin, babyfat that made my face look soft and shapeless, and a dopey look to my eyes. a couple years of aging transformed all of those and i look better. it's just different for everyone

No. 202622

>>202609
>>202616
>>202619
Lol so true. I was an awkward weeaboo in my teenage years and that's not even the bad part (I had lots of fun with my weeb crew so I don't feel bad about it in the slightest). I looked genuinely ugly compared to how I do nowadays, had a horrible, uneven tan, no skincare routine, my nose was turbo jewish and my ears were comically oversized.

No. 202623

>>202622
That sounds really cute actually!
When I was a teen I was not only ugly but I also lacked personal hygiene I would go for weeks without showering, would forget to eat for days and when I did eat it was junk, one time I hadnt brushed my hair so long I almost got dreadlocks ffs.

No. 202625

>>202622
lol what happened to your ears and nose if you don't mind me asking? did you just actually grow into them and they suit you better now? kids with those traits tend to not believe "you'll grow into it!" it seems

No. 202629

>>202625
I grew into my ears and nose, yeah. I also got a nosejob but that was to fix the shape of the nose, it'd got a lot smaller by then (well, my face actually got bigger, but it's still fairly tiny) so it wasn't really a big change or anything, nobody even noticed I had it done.
>>202623
Tbh that was me at 14 (bullied, friendless and depressed), I can commiserate!

No. 202634

>>202629
Oh I forgot to mention that I also moved to France where everyone is kind of haggard but nobody seems to give a shit, so I fit right in. I used to live in a place full of tall, pretty blondes, I was actually shocked when reasonably attractive men started chatting me up when I'd been ignored all my life. That was kind of important to mention.

No. 202635

>>202566
there are hot teens in this thread who literally think the men who are gawking at them are disgusting and have a clue about how wrong it is. must be tough handling the truth that girls aren't into you huh

No. 202638

>>202577
I'm 22 and I feel the exact same way. I just feel like my life is hopeless now because I wasted my only attractive years doing as a loser. And now I'm an ugly, washed up loser.

I can't afford botox or anything like that. I will probably kill myself when I turn 25 because by then I definitely won't be able to handle aging anymore.

No. 202641

>>202638
why is being attractive the only thing worth living for to you? if it was so easy to waste, maybe it doesn't actually do much for happiness/success in the first place in most cases

No. 202643

>>202641
Because i would like to be attractive to and loved by a man at some point in my life. But I'm past that point now as shown by >>202451

The older and less attractive women get, the more they are invisible.

No. 202645

>>202643
This is an amount of delusion I only see on /r9k/. Jesus, you're not an old hag at the age of 22. Chances are you'll only start looking old when you're next to your thirties. Yes, men tend to like younger girls, but 22 has basically no difference to 18, and age is just another factor in attractiveness, like face, weight etc.

No. 202648

>>202643
while i understand the graph is a bit creepy, that just means that when asked who looks the best, most men knee jerk said 22, probably because it's when a lot of people think that's when attractiveness is at its peak. it doesn't mean they literally won't find anyone older than that attractive or worthy of love. Just like if you ask a pool of guys who they think is the most attractive woman and a bunch say Angelina Jolie, it doesn't mean if you're not as pretty as her you're gonna be an incel

No. 202651

>>202638
you need a break from lolcow
22 isn't old at all in fact it's young as fuck, you probably don't even look as old as you believe you do, it's just girls on lolcow nitpick the cows to hell and back so unless a girl has skin made of porcelain she will probably get called an old haggard jfk I'm 18 and sometimes I feel like I'm 50 when I try taking a picture of myself


given, life is how you make it, if you have 5 kids by 22 and work at a 9 to 5 you're probably going to seem older to yourself because of life experience

sage for ot

No. 202653

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>>202638
Blogposty but for fucks sake I know this 60 year old lesbian couple and you know what they're doing? traveling the world, going to wild drag shows, drinking tasty alcohol and eating expensive chocolate. Not moping around about how old they're getting. Both of them are so pleasant and successful and goddammit that is the life I want to fucking live when I'm +50
just me and my gf, being rich hags in love together with our two dogs/cats/adopted children ;whatever the fuck comes first

being over the age of 25 doesn't mean your life is over, I'd honestly say that's when it's just beginning. There's always someone out there who's gonna find you attractive, I mean if the slaton sisters can find men that desperately want to date them, anyone can

Also this
>>202645
>>202648

No. 202658

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>>202616
I am a teenager and I can confirm this (I'm 18)


my acne is clearing up and I've stopped being so moody, but holy shit I don't know why people fetishize teens to hell and back, they're awkward, either really emotional or sociopaths who bully everyone, or both, for their looks they tend to have shitty acne, don't know how to dress or style their hair, their bodies are either really shapeless, or they look as any other adult woman so why do they want only teens who knows, they are complete shit head idiots,while sadly there are some following the ig thot trend but most of them are ~loli desu teens~ they're fucking awkward


people need to get off anime and social media and get out more

No. 202659

>>202658
meant to say aren't sorry

No. 202663

>>202658
For men, I think the main reason is the line of thinking that the younger the girl, the tighter the pussy. It's idiotic and fallacious, but I'm almost certain that it's a common belief among men who prefer teens.

No. 202665

>>202663
that or they just think that if aging can make you less attractive (sagging,wrinkles,etc) then being super young must mean you're super attractive! The thing is though that the teens that look the prettiest usually actually look older than most of their peers with their acne and awkward puberty faces. They're the exception to the rule of what teens look like but because it's so taboo and people are dumb they hype up the age like that's the reason they're pretty

No. 202669

>>202638

what exactly do you think is wrong with you because I guarantee you're blowing it way out of proportion. Believe it or not, average and ugly women get laid, date men and eventually get married too.

Some of y'all are wild with this feeling like old hags in your early twenties shit.

No. 202672

>>202669
amen! it's sort of laughable! i was an ugly teen but the older ive gotten, the more attention ive received. im 29 this year and i get hit on more than i ever have now in my later 20s than i have in my teens or early 20s when i started to grow into myself i guess.

No. 202675

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>>202653
this is inspirational, anon. thank you. everyone here needs to read this.

No. 202688

>>202532
>women don't go around banging young looking men because ~fertility~
They kinda should.

The reason older women tend to have more kids with birth defects is that older guys produce a higher number of defective sperm. Ovum are all created very early, while sperm are produced continually and thus lower in quality with aging.

>however if a woman is open about her standards or preferences she gets bashed, seen as shallow, sometimes gets called ugly

I don't notice this that much, but it's probably for the same general reason casual sex is so messed up in terms of double standards.

If an older guy is sleeping with a twenty year old girl, it probably means he's skilled at seduction, which is celebrated for men. Meanwhile, teenage boys tend to be pretty horny and willing to sleep with like 80% of women, so fucking them isn't considered impressive.

>tldr basically it's not that women don't like young guys and men do, it's that men are allowed to and it's seen as normal

I'm skeptical. Understandings of normal behavior don't spring out of thin air, and daddy's little girl autism is everywhere.

No. 202690

>>202663
well they're wrong because there's tons of teens with loose pussies and tons of teens with tight pussies


>>202665
so basically they want women to look like dolls forever?

No. 202696

>>202665
>that or they just think that if aging can make you less attractive (sagging,wrinkles,etc) then being super young must mean you're super attractive!
Not really. It's more like her tits are more perky, her ass is more firm etc.

A woman who takes care of herself in her mid to late 20's is going to look better than a couch potato straight out of Highschool but it's a bit difficult to wrap that into a short statement.

>>202653
My great aunt was like that, loved to take the piss out of people.

No. 202697

>>202690
>so basically they want women to look like dolls forever?

uh no. i prefer older partners but this question in the survey wasn't "who do you want as a life partner" or even "how old is the person you're most attractive to" it was just "what age is the most attractive to you" and because men tend to try to treat subjective things objectively, they all went for the average age of models,pornstars etc. why do you act like this shit species is even more shit than it tends to be?

No. 202698

>>202696
well that's kind of what i mean. the age that you're at your perkiest and best looking could be your teens but it's more likely to be your twenties. the difference between teens to 20s isn't really what makes you more or less attractive, it's more likely genetics and lifestyle.

No. 202701

>>202698
I was also a retard and meant to quote the person talking about the tighter pussy.

No. 202703

>>202701
oh ok. no problem! these threads are obviously touchy so i appreciate the clarification

No. 202705

I just turned 21 a few weeks ago and I feel ancient. Like I've wasted my youth away being lame. I'm both sad and glad that I'm not the only one that feels this way.

No. 202706

>>202705
>Like I've wasted my youth away being lame.
ok but what is the alternative. people under 21 are hormonal af, have little experience to keep things in perspective, and have little to no freedom. if you've survived it you should be proud. now you can start figuring out how to actually take advantage of your youth.

No. 202708

>>202697
I didn't mean anything with age though
it's like they want young skin because in their head they think that it's perfect, pimpless scarless skin and older skin is wrinkley and saggy, it's like they can never come to terms with the fact 99% of women don't have perfect skin

No. 202709

>>202706
Thank you anon. My teenage years were really rough so I guess it's pretty impressive that I'm still alive. It just makes me feel like hot garbage when I see peers who are so well put together and seem like everything is going great for them. And even more so when it's teenagers who seemingly skip the awkward years. I know by no means are they a majority, but still. I wish I was that put together at that age.

No. 202710

>>202709
it's the same anon. lemme tell you. when i was in my early 20s, it seemed like everyone had a promising career and their shit together, and now that i have a job and several hobbies, i'm noticing how many of my peers are actually NEETS and doing fuck all. the grass really is greeener/you just notice people who are at very different places than you in life. it's good to be ambitious but don't worry about keeping up with everyone else because we're all up shit creek without a paddle. whatever you do is going to be much more than some peers and much less than others, dw.

No. 202719

>>202546
God, the way that data is constantly referenced to show how awful and shallow women are infuriates me.

Yes, women rated men low in terms of looks. But people ALWAYS ignore the rest of the post
>When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men choose the modelesque.
>Site-wide, two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women.
>On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable.
>This graph also dramatically illustrates just how much more important a woman’s looks are than a guy’s.

And people NEVER take into account how little an arbitrary rating reflects the way a woman experiences attraction. Without meeting a guy and seeing the way he carries himself, hearing the way he talks, having him touch you or flirt with you etc, most girls aren't going to be able to judge how attracted they are to them. Not really the same for men, who value looks above everything. Not to mention that men rate women's looks constantly as a matter of course, it's the default way they provide context for a discussion about girls. Girls don't do the same, they don't have a developed 'system' for rating so they're not as used to thinking about looks in a relative way.

No. 202722

>>202719
>how awful and shallow women are infuriates me.
I didnt post it to try to sell that point. My point was people like attractive people, not that men are "more enlightened" with their preferences or some nonsense. Yes, a womans attraction is nuanced but stuff like financial stability is also a major factor. Does that mean all women are gold diggers? Not really.

The point was more to make fun of the women clutching their pearls that a man finds a woman in her early 20s more attractive than a 40 year old. Hurr durr I'll never marry a man because of my rampant insecurities and all that other sorts of nonsense.

No. 202724

>>202688
There is an effect as men age, but it's very small compared to women. Honestly, even a woman in her 40s still only has a very small chance of her baby having problems (this kind of stuff is way overemphasised on imageboards), but compared to men, she has more to worry about with age.

No. 202726

>>202564
I feel like you're misinterpreting my post. The guys who look for girlfriends outside the school gates are almost always guys you really don't want to know. The problem is that it's usually blamed entirely on those guys rather than the relationship being a joint effort. Teenagers are horny and concerned with social status, and some girls will go after what they consider to be the impressive, attractive older guy.

When I was a teenager, I knew a whole group of girls who would lie about their age and target older men because that's what they thought was cool and attractive. Teenagers are stupid and naive, but they are not at all innocent.

>>202719
I always thought it was simply that guys are shit at taking photos or choosing photos that make them look attractive.

No. 202727

I really want to find guys who think like this and punch them in the face. Reddit for sure loves to eat it up. No one thinks you're a pedo just because you're attracted to 16-18 year olds…the key issue is emotional intelligence AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. The age of consent is for kids to fuck around with each other, not for you, a 35 year old, to prey on them. FUCK OFF. God, I'm so glad that people around me are normal and dating appropriately.

I hate that the daddy's princess uwu trend started on tumblr (and was aided by the likes of Lana) and now it's everywhere. Fake woke feminists like to promote sugaring and sex work to younger girls because it's somehow ~empowering~ but all they're doing is throwing these girls directly into the hands of creeps and predators. They're putting all their self-worth into how much men find them sexually attractive and eventually these assholes just move onto a younger model.

I feel like media really distorts when you should look and feel at certain ages. Like all the teen and college movies are filled with grown ass adults…I guess that's why men go for the idealized version of teenagers rather than the awkward, lanky, unfashionable messes we really are. I'm 20 and dating a boy of the same age, and I still basically feel like we're kids having fun. I'm also kind of afraid of getting older but I feel like every year I get a little better looking and I'm def glad to not have my teenage looks (but I did have nosejob like >>202622)

Last note - my boyfriend was in the camp of "what's wrong when there's a significant age difference if they're legal" (he's only dated ppl his age don't worry) and I convinced him otherwise, so not all men are trash lmao

No. 202731

>>202638
>wasted my only attractive years
>being 22

lolario

No. 202732

>>202731
Everyone always will consider their current age to be ancient. When I was 19 I remember lamenting the fact that I was so so old.

No. 202733

>>202665
Yep, 25+ year old women playing 17yo highschool girls in movies adds to that misconception.

No. 202735

>>202599
Haha SaggyBalls McBald knows he can't compete with prime teen cock

No. 202736

>>202732
I don't know about that. I'm 26, educated, employed, living on my own, in a long term relationship and I still feel sooooo young. I feel like after the age of 20 my life just got so much more fun and also easier. High school fucking SUCKS.

No. 202738

>>202737
It's time to get off the internet EurasianTiger

No. 202739

>>202737
>not looking at abuse statistics by race

No. 202740

>>202737
Have you ever heard of japan?

but to be honest I do love me some azn cock. get off reddit and lolcow and hmu, cutie

No. 202741

>>202737
>>202740
Kill yourself.

No. 202742

>>202722
Honestly I was just piggy backing your post to vent about something that's annoyed me for ages. I see guys posting it all the fucking time without reading the whole thing and it makes me rage.

No. 202743

>>202736
I never really felt young since I got to 18 or so. Nowadays I just tell myself that in 10 years I'll wish I was my current age and try to stop worrying about it.

No. 202744

>>202743
ever since I was 16 I felt old, now that I am 19 I feel like a full fledged old fart, I know I'm not old it just feels like everyone sees the ages 14-16 as the most interesting ages of your life, which may be true for some, I dunno maybe it's cuz I'm a neet and when a girl turns 20 she becomes too old for most men

No. 202745

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>>202744
>when a girl turns 20 she becomes too old for most men

No. 202748

>>202744
>everyone sees the ages 14-16 as the most interesting ages of your life

>when a girl turns 20 she becomes too old for most men


nice b8 m8

No. 202750

My current boyfriend sometimes jokes about how "beautiful" his friend's younger sister is, and she's 15. Sometimes I feel like he's not actually joking because the way he describes her is like a guy who is genuinely obsessed with something.

No. 202751

>>202750
drop his ass real quick imho

No. 202752

>>202744
Anon, 20 is definatly not too old, but i kinda get there you come from: when i was younger i was pretty slim but due to depression i gained a lot of weight, making me look a bit homely although i'm only 22.
I just wish i could turn back time, not so that some sick fucks find me more attractive, but simply so that i could have a carefree kind of life. Sometimes i even feel envious of my little 12 year old sister; not caring about weight, makeup etc, but still wearing cute clothes and hanging with friends all day.
I know that some are going to say that's still possible when you're older, but it simply doesn't feel the same with responsibilties and outside pressure.

In conclusion i think younger girls seem more attractive simply because they are happier.

No. 202754

I was hesitant to post this but fuck it.

I'm 24 and my bf is 27. We've been together for almost 2 years and live together, only issue is in the past when he was 23/24, he dated a teen that was 17/18. It's always rubbed me the wrong way, and over the course of our relationship I've caught him searching for ~teen pussy~.

We haven't had sex or anything since LAST NOVEMBER. His reasoning is he isn't into sex that much, but like… we fucked a lot when we first met. It stopped after 6 months. He's great in other aspects of the relationship, but basically I feel as if he's only attracted to teenage girls and makes my stomach churn knowing I'm not attractive to him anymore since he never wants to do anything(I've gained weight from being comfy, been trying to lose it). When confronted about this, and I do have jealously issues but in this case I feel is justified, he goes on the defensive.

I feel disgusting and old from this, I love him but knowing he watches teen porn and dated one then doesn't want me anymore fucks with my self esteem.

No. 202757

>>202754
Anon just leave him, why stay?? Do you really want to spend the rest of your life with someone that can possibily cheat on you with an underaged girl and ruins your self esteem? That's pretty much pedophillia. He's not a real man.

No. 202759

>>202754
Have you tried talking to him about it? Communicate your feelings and see what happens. His reaction will tell you a lot about the situation and how he feels about you.

No. 202760

>>202744
>I dunno maybe it's cuz I'm a neet and when a girl turns 20 she becomes too old for most men
I don't really get this perspective when Lisa Ann is probably the most famous porn star right now.

No. 202761

>>202754
Sounds like you're trying to pin your relationship issues on some teen from 3 years ago.

A guy who doesn't want to fuck is a giant red flag for serious problems that go way deeper than whether he is attracted to you or not. Boys are usually dtf even if you're not the hottest thing in the world to them. They aren't that picky.

You say you found him searching for teen stuff online? That's pretty much the default search term for sites like that–but have you confirmed that he actually does fap at all? If he can jack off, he can stick it in you, so you really need to drill down on him and demand to know why without getting distracted by the teen thing.

Your problems are probably way worse than some teen and you guys need to talk it out if you want to save tour relationship.

No. 202764

>>202754
L E A V E him, this situation has nothing to do with you being "old". You're not old.

No. 202766

I'd like to share my personal experience with a large age difference (sage for blog). When I was about 20 I started dating a guy fifteen years older than me. I actually knew him through his ex-gf, who was eight years younger than him. Now, obviously I was an adult when I began this relationship, but I was incredibly naive. At the time I had a severe ED, which is ex -also- had when she'd been dating him. Apparently he had a record for going after younger adult women with psychological problems.

My parents did not approve of this relationship (with good reason), and so I ended up moving 1k miles away from home to live with him. The couple of months I was there were some of the most miserable ones. I do want to say, the thing that appealed to him about me wasn't that he was older. That actually was what freaked me out. What I liked was that we -did- actually have some things in common (both avid outdoors kind of people, had some similar goals when it came to that - tbh, those times we hiked and camped were really great and if I hadn't been w/ him I might not have ever had those experiences).

Still. At the time, I'd left college for this guy. I didn't have a job and I had hardly any money to my name. I was all alone and I felt like he was my only option, because I'd broken relationships everywhere else.

For the love of god, please don't do what I did. My relationships with family and friends are repaired now. I ended up getting my BS and Masters degrees and have a stable job. I've been in an almost 7 year relationship with a truly good guy who is understanding and accepting of who I am.

I always worry when I hear similar stories. If a guy is going after you and has a habit of going after people like you (whether you have an mental illness, are just a certain "type", etc.) and he's much older, just walk away. Those are red flags. This guy would get violent sometimes and it's amazing to me that I even made if out of that relationship alive.

Sorry for the longass post.

No. 202768

>>202555
>>202558
It depends on where you live also. In my country when a 28 y.o. is dating a 16 y.o. few people will bat an eye.
(And no, it's not a third world country)

A friend of mine is 32 and is only attracted to girls in their early twenties. He says that "girls his age are boring and look old". If I, a woman, were 32 and said the same thing people would call me creepy.

No. 202769

>>202768
Damn, that's harsh. A lot of 30+ women I know look better than 20 somethings. It's like they know themselves better and how to take care of themselves as they get slightly older. They're also much more mature usually. I guess that's what turns guys off - they can't be as easily manipulated.

No. 202771

>>202769
Agreed, my friend is a weeb so this could be part of the problem. I see a lot of 30 y.o. women looking great. Perhaps he's too attached to the "kawaii young uguu" and can't appreciate mature beauty

No. 202775

It's fine to think 16-17 years old attractive, as long as they are actually hot (normal weight, ass/boobs etc). If it makes someone a pedo then virtually all men are pedos. It's weird to have an attraction because of the young age, though. I've seen some guys proud of making out with a girl who "smells like milk", stuff like this. They tend to be older, too.

>>202688
>The reason older women tend to have more kids with birth defects is that older guys produce a higher number of defective sperm. Ovum are all created very early, while sperm are produced continually and thus lower in quality with aging.

Actually it's the opposite. Sperm doesn't get the same effect from aging because it's continually produced.

No. 202780

>>202768
>And no, it's not a third world country
But is it Brazil?

No. 202782

>>202775
>smells like milk
what the fuck does that even mean
>>202769
>>202766
This just tells me that men like to go for the lowest hanging fruit because they think they'll have better chances of being in charge of the relationship. Not saying young girls and mentally ill women are easy or poor gf material or whatever (though some undoubtedly are), but that men will go after vulnerable women because they think they're less likely to leave them when they cop on to their antics.

No. 202783

>>202775
i'm glad you said this. i agree but have been lashed out at for expressing a similar sentiment. you shouldn't creep on them or try to pursue them sexually, but if teenagers are attractive for their age (not because of their age) your brain can't always shut off your attraction to them.

No. 202784

>>202780
No, it's in EU. This was to say that even in a first world country, a lot of people will ignore it.

No. 202786

>>202744
I had a long inspirational post for you but you're either too mentally ill to take it too heart or a troll.

>>202754

some of y'all put up with just about anything to say you have a man smh.

No. 202790

This thread turned out so well!

>Is it just me or does it seem like everyone is sexually obsessed with teens?

>a swarm of basically teens (19-22) comes flying in bawling their eyes out bout how they already wasted their only attractive years

No. 202791

>>202786
You're lurking here for a reason, too. I don't think you have shit to say about anyone else here you fucking oil stain lmao

No. 202793

>>202782
Exactly. They're much easier to control especially if they have low self-esteem and "need" that man in their life.

No. 202795

>>202744
this is what anime does to people

No. 202801

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>>202790
guess that's what happens on a site where girls like venusangelic, kiki kannibal, etc etc all get blasted for "aging"

No. 202804

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>>202744
you need to get out more
you all need to get out more

I like watching cows on lolcow do foolish things but goddamn this website can really make you think stupid shit
Get a fucking grip people

No. 202808

>>202451
A side effect of digital communication is that we're all acutely aware of sexual ideals and all the ways we don't measure up to them.

That doesn't mean you can't find love and that doesn't mean you'll be abandoned or cheated on.

Also, the 22 year olds acting like their lives are finished are acting ridiculously. It's extremely normal for white collar couples to recover from college debt and start marrying and raising kids after 25. Sleeping around when you're younger is nice and all but missing out on it really doesn't meaningfully impact you later.

>>202775
>>202724
https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/study-ties-dad%E2%80%99s-age-risk-autism-other-mental-disorders-kids

No. 202936

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What do people think of this? She claims to be 14, has a body like this (she was flat a few months ago and just says its working out and puberty)


i dont know if she is a 14 yr old with shitty parents and knows how to photoshop. Or she is grown with plastic surgery and just pretending to be 14 for attention, either way its disgusting

No. 202937

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>>202936
she's also jumping on the "you don't like kids acting like sluts? you must be sexualizing them you pedophile!" train

No. 202939

Men finding young fertile women attractive is nothing new

No. 202940

>>202936
I'd say photoshop and bsing about her age, going by how flabby her arm looks in contrast to her waist in the second photo.

No. 202941

>>202521
Here's an ugly truth, a lot of trouble men have with ED and other issues as they get older is because they stop finding their wives attractive. Put them with an 18 year old girl and they'd have no issue

No. 202942

>>202940
true, then again it could be a waist trainer, and it alarms me 14 yr olds have waist trainers nowadays if it is one

No. 202943

>>202941 That's not how ED works.

No. 202944

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>>202940
also the way she talks about her age seems so… forced, like this is not how middle schoolers talk



and why does she have a huge fan base? she gets a shit ton of drawings of herself from fans daily, something about this situation all together seem so fishy, and the second you comment about her body being fake her followers will use the "you're just jealous stop sexualizing her its all natural" card, it's like when you call out yumi king, I'd post her in /snow/ but they don't allow underage people, at least I don't think

No. 202945

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>>202944
another example

No. 202946

>>202943
Yeah it is
There are definitely legitimate conditions for it, but I'd place that at about 10% of guys who have ED
t. works with a bunch of middle aged guys who talk about it

No. 202947

>>202775
>because it's continually produced.
You do realize that the only reason we age is because DNA gets progressively "damaged" with age and because of that the cells the body produces are of increasingly low quality, right? That's why you can have a perfect health and you'll still die of old age eventually.

Not saying eggs don't age (I wouldn't know whether or not their quality decline lol) but with this information, DNA-wise, an egg formed during youth is more likely to have its DNA intact than sperm produced by old, damaged code.

Sage for biosperg

No. 202950

>>202936
whys she bragging about it. you dont want to look older than you really are lmao

No. 202951

>>202945
her facebook goes back to 2014, so she would have been 11-12 then, it was before her birthday as well so she would have been 11, why is she posting on fb at 11?


>>202950
I think it's for attention
"teehee I'm young and super unrealistically curvy"
I really wanna post her on /snow/ but I need to find proof she's lying about her age

No. 202962

>>202419
>normalize pedophillia

That isn't pedophillia, and it is a horror film. I don't think you're supposed to admire the relationship in 'mother!', it is implied to be about a cult. I agree that she has played a mother way too often for someone so young, but I think you're overreacting a tiny bit, especially when their age gap will likely be a plot point.

No. 202970

>>202936
I can't really speak if it's natural, but I do remember a redhead from HS that had fucking G cup tits or so when she was only 15. I'm convinced they're putting something in the water.

No. 202972

>>202970
yeah but those are tits, girls can have huge H tits at 12 and it be natural, saggy and bologna nips, but natural, where as with ass, girls can have big asses but 99% of the time if it's shaped like that, no bumps, no cellulite, but no visible muscles as well as that small of a waist, a flat stomach, its fake

No. 202985

>>202936
100% photoshop, would say the same thing if she was 28 yo.

guarantee she'll look haggard with awful skin by 20.

No. 202995

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>>202970
my mom and i used to joke that it's all the hormones in the mcdonald's that kids eat nowadays

>>202972
>bologna nips
lmao i hate these kinds of areolae they look like they're gonna devour you

>>202951
a snow thread would be great. she definitely photoshops. it's obvious because her arm is as gigantic as a cartoon mutton leg and her stomach is sucked in, slimmed down, and her back was shooped to look like it's bending in ways a back should not be bending. an actual 14 year old wouldnt constantly mention their age in every photo, it's not even on their minds. she's got a shitload of pics of her friends on her page and it's really obvious none of them are 14 or even in school anymore.

No. 202997

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>>202995
lol @ the yaoi hands and weirdly shaped ass shoop on the right. the captions are even lulzier. all she did was skip her makeup routine on the left and put on some childish baggy clothes whether it was taken a couple years ago or not is irrelevant since she is a fully grown adult. i think most of us here can agree we'd look just as young if we didn't put on makeup and just wore a panda hoodie and jeans. im ngl, im 20 and put on outfits similar to the left on lazy days and when i go to a restaurant looking like that, they offer me crayons. she looks around the same age as me in that photo and not like an actual 12 year old. the nails are a nice hint at that.

No. 202999

>>202962
I wasn't implying it's pedophilia but moreso people trying to slowly make pedophilia more acceptable (even if subconsciously). There are age gaps between older men and younger women in almost every film out there, it's actually come to be expected.

Sure, it's not pedophilia yet. But the result is that we now have guys claiming that it's "natural" to lust after women in their teens because they're more "fertile" or similar rubbish excuses. I've noticed a lot of children's TV (on Nickelodeon and Disney) that is littered with sexual jokes and caters a lot to the male gaze. They don't realise that it's just a trend that the media have shoved in their face and it's got no scientific basis. I remember when I was younger, OLDER women were considered attractive for being sexually "expereinced". It's all bullshit.

I probably am overreacting about that specific film though because I haven't seen the full film yet but it was the most recent example I had in my mind.

No. 203000

I definitely remember middle school girls (12 years old) coming to school with waxed eyebrows, manicures, tans, shitloads of makeup, pushup bras, and victorias secret pink clothes, and this was over a decade ago. Children wanting to look grown is not a recent thing at all. That juliana girl posted above looks 14 to me but with definite shoop or one of those ass shaper things on.

No. 203001

>>203000
the 11 year olds you went to school with in middle school had legs and faces looking like >>202995? thats rough.

No. 203002

>>203001
Not 11, but 13 or 14, yeah.
The girl in the middle of that pic looks like a child prostitute tbh.

No. 203003

>>203000
There were a couple girls at my middle school like that too, and unsurprisingly they got knocked up within the first two years of high school.

No. 203004

>>203003
Whoops wrong field

No. 203024

>>202997
There's no way this girl is a day younger than 16 but she's also not a day older than 12 psychologically

Maybe that's why she says 14

No. 203036

>>202995
so should I make a snow thread? it's kinda obvious she lies about her age for shock value but im a bit afraid of getting banned cuz of it

No. 203042

>>202945
she forgot to shoop her skinny fat curveless body in the mirror

No. 203043

>>202995
so for lying about her age we have
>always mentioning it in an unnatural way
>having grown men on her facebook post on her wall talking about how "thicc" she is
>all her friends are grown ups
>she always goes to bars and clubs
>she owns a shit ton of expensive slutty clothes and high end makeup
>been posting since 2011


anything else?

No. 203055

>>203043
>posting since 2011
That's pretty much all the confirmation that she's lying we need. She'd have been seven-eight then.

No. 203057

>>203042
oh shit thats her? i thought it was some random woman or her mom or something in the background. i didnt even notice. im dead

No. 203058

>>203055
>>>/snow/378235 aight I got hows this?

No. 203062

>>203058
bad. you posted the wrong instagram for starters and >>202995 is not her "without shoop". it's her friends which are obviously grown ass women

No. 203063

>>203058
can't delete now bleh
but it's fine, most of her other social media link to her ig anyway

No. 203081

You guys spend too much time on the internet…

No. 203087

>>202939
>fertile
the healthiest babies are born from women in their early to mid twenties. Very young girls have higher chances of preeclampsia and other complications during birth than women who have had stable and regular menstrual cycles for a while. If you like younger girls that's fine but don't try to justify it with fertility.

No. 203138

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>>203087
agreed, there'a certain extent where it's the perfect amount of fertility
like when guys expect girls to have huge ass hips and big tits and claim "o fertility haha its for breeding" when if it's too much it could also be signs of something else thats wrong that could prevent fertility but go and want teens and claim it's for fertility to?? men are confusing
I honestly have yet to see a woman with crazy standards for men and claim it's because fertility

No. 203151

>>203138
>I honestly have yet to see a woman with crazy standards for men and claim it's because fertility

Plenty of women prefer men with visual signs of virility, high test, and high HGH, some that are hard to achieve or luck based, but I see a lot less body shaming coming from women when men don't fit that look, and a lot of women that don't prefer virile or high HGH looking men at all

No. 203160

>>203151
depends on where you're from, I've seen more men body shame other men for not having muscle than I've seen women shame them for not having muscle, I prefer high test men too, to an extent, with happy trails, maybe a small bit of muscles, and wide chest/shoulders but not too wide with sharp features, for men though, while growing body hair can depend on genetics they also build muscle a lot easier, so if they want to look high test, they can work out with weights and a few months later will have a bit of muscle, with women however if she has a small butt, small hips, skinny thighs etc, working out can only go so far, and she might get a bigger butt, I know several women who worked out and squat a lot and still had small butts but they were rounded and toned, for the fertility claim, while if a woman wanted a bigger guy with hair and all, she wouldn't claim its for fertility but it's what she's attracted to, with men they try to justify their high unattainable standards as ~fertility~ and the woman also don't have that high of standards for whats good enough to be considered buff or fertile, where as in some cases you have to have a huge ass to even be considered to have an ass, have to have giant anime hips to be considered to have hips, and so on




also I've seen a lot of women be attracted to guys who are too buff or too hairy

No. 203162

>>203160
yeah i definitely fall for some virility shit. if you don't have chest hair and a big wide jaw with a butt chin leave reeee. no jk i just think women tend to be a little more aware that their preferences are just preferences, whereas i see this high level of entitlement where every woman should look like their sexual preference or they're trash in men.

No. 203201

>>202410
Just today i read in a gossip mag that Robin Thicke's 22 yo girlfriend is pregnant. He's nearly twice her age; got me instantly angry…
Does anybody think that in about 20 years she's going to look at her child's friends and thinks 'yeah it would be totally moraly acceptable to date that'?! No that's shit only men do and of course that magazine is not calling him out on that, but instead write congratulations and how cute the baby will turn out… Besides how long did they date already? Such large age gaps should be illegal (at least until the younger partner is not only bodily but also mentaly ready to comprehend what they are doing)

No. 203207

>>203201
Is he not also the fella who wrote that date rapey song

No. 203208

>>203201
>that's shit only men do

They're called cougars, anon. Don't try and pretend only men date waaaay outside their age. Creepy women also like young boys. My friend who is 21 and looks like 16 gets hit on by women 40+ in bars all the time. They have weird reality shows about cougars too, like a guy dating this woman that was older than his parents. Freaky! It's not just creepy dudes doing that it's creepy people.

No. 203209

>>203201
>robin thicke
>a rich singer
>implying the 22 year old isn't fine with being a stay at home mom for a rich guy

No. 203213

>>203201
That's exactly what age of consent laws are. By 22 we can assume that a person knows what they are doing.

No. 203218

>>203160
holy shit anon, haven't you heard of punctuation and line breaks?

No. 203222

>>203213
but anon, she's still a gullible young'n with $$ in her eyes for thicke's thicc cashflow.

No. 203231

>>203208
Yes they do have reality shows about it, BECAUSE it's not the norm and is seen as weird/disgusting etc. Realationships between young girls and older men however are totally normalized.

Notice that whenever the women is older in movies, their age gap either the plot itself (e.g. her friends say he's to young etc. even if it's just buy a couple of years) or it's seen as a comedic aspect and completely ridiculed. If it's the other way around nobody even thinks it's worth mentioning anymore.

No. 203232

>>202462
I just wanted to say thanks for providing the source

No. 203233

Why do any of you trust men? I stopped a long time ago. Ex used to talk about wanting to fuck 13 year old girls he met on steam.

No. 203236

>>203233
Some of us didn't regularly associate with pieces of shit. I'm very sorry for you.

No. 203237

Try dating normal men who dont live with their mothers, play videogames and browse 4chan all the time? The majority of men are not pedos.. Just get out more!

No. 203240

Are there any decent men who post on 4chan? I'm speaking to one who looks after his sick mom while studying and working a part time job. He doesn't seem bitter or angry towards women at all. He's a Polish guy.

No. 203241

>>203240
there's decent people everywhere, just based on math. Not sure why you're asking, though

No. 203242

>>203241
Seems like men on 4chan in particular have a really bad reputation.

No. 203243

>>203242
It's a vocal minority.

No. 203244

>>203240
Which boards does he browse? This alone could say a lot

No. 203245

>>203244
Met him on /an/. That /v/, /out/ and /pol/.

No. 203246

>>203240
>>203245
I would be careful as most Polish men i've met online that seemed nice at first turned out to be total degenerates. Especially if he browses /pol/.

No. 203249

>>203246
Hes right wing but not the hate woman type. Just dislikes what happens to Europe right now. But that's the same with me. I hate Leftists here too.

No. 203251

>>203231
It's definitely not normalized, men with younger women constantly get accused of being sugar daddies/rich and the woman get called gold diggers often as well. Just go to yumi king's thread, people always comment on their relationship which is only a few years apart because of how they look, with no age evidence to back it up. age gaps are definitely not normal on either end.

No. 203262

>>203242
>>203243
At that point you have a demographics issue.

While many people browse imageboards for an optional source of entertainment and connection, for others it is their only source, and the reasons for such a situation are not usually positive.

No. 203273

>>203245
>/pol/
The biggest red flag ever. He's most likely an insecure edgelord with self esteem issues.

>>203249
>right wing but not the hate woman type
I reeeeeally doubt it.

No. 203274

>>203249
Tbh he sounds like he's trying to suck up to you. Seriously girl, be careful and cut him off at the first red flag.

No. 203298

>>203251
But only since a short time, since a lot girls think it's cool or whatever to be open aboit having or wanting a sugar daddy and mostly only on the internet. In Hollywood movies etc. more mainstream areas nobody bats an eye

No. 203303

>>203245
my ex browsed /pol/ /mu/ /fa/ and /fit/ and i thought he was an intellectual at first, but he just turned out to be an pretentious edge-lord who thought "poo in the loo" was funny. he was also lowkey racist and highkey abusive. despite always spouting about fitness and fashion, he was a fat piece of shit with equally shit taste. beware 4channers.

>tfw i left him a cute, slim, nerdy boy and he sperged about it for a month

No. 203309

>>203303
Poo in loo is funny.

Guess you've never been to majority Indian immigrant suburbs in your country.

No. 203310

>>202999
It's really nothing new. What you remember from when you were younger is probably skewed. The girls you thought were "older" were probably only in their mid twenties. Barely legal celebrities used as sex objects is just something that has always happened in Hollywood. It seems worse now because we're more saturated with media now.

No. 203364

>>203303
t. Sunita Pranjesh

No. 203373

>>203303
I know irl a white nationalist who browses /pol/. He's 22 but doesn't do anything with his life other than working a minimum wage job, lives in his mom's basement and spends his free time smoking weed. He believes in the whole "muh master race, muh white people built Civilization" thing. Further proving my belief that people who take pride in the achievements of their race/sex often do so because they have no achievements of their own.

No. 203377

>>203373
I know someone scarily similar to that description. Are all white supremacists like this? The one I know also dropped out of high school.

No. 203378

>>203373
I knew one like that who lived in a trailer with his white trash parents lol

No. 203382

>>203377
>Are all white supremacists like this? The one I know also dropped out of high school.
So once upon a time I was doing the whole 2 year at CC->transfer to a real university thing since I was a lazy turd in HS. One of the required classes for the associates was some stupid anthropology class.

Anyways there was this one kid who I occasionally argued with from there. I'm pretty conservative, but the guy would talk about Ayn Rand and then I would point out she had a guy rape a woman who then fell in love with him because he was ~such a unique architect~ in one of her books. I mean I appreciate dealing with the Reds fucks you up but it's an understatement to say she had issues.

People started talking about anonymity on the internet and he started talking about 4chan naturally, and then started giggling because he kept dancing around using the term newfag. Anyways it capped out when the class went about the topic of the holocaust. He kept talking about how he TOTALLY DOESN'T BELIEVE THIS but kept bringing up standard talking points used on /pol/ and stormfront to try to well, deny the holocaust. Not really sure if the kid was a white nationalist but the dude was fucking quoting those mspaint "infographics" verbatim, as in I saw some of them the night before he'd go on those tangents.

It was such a fucking surreal class.

No. 203395

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>>203377
>Are all white supremacists like this?

Yes. The people who politically disagree with me (the baddies) are all unattractive and professional unsuccessful.

The people who politically agree with me (the goodies) are all attractive and professionally successful (like people with gender studies degrees).

No. 203397

>>203395
You sure showed that stupid sjw, haha! There's totally nothing wrong with being a literal white supremacist.

No. 203398

>>203397
>Likes Ayn Rand
>Literal white supremacist

This is the equivalent of calling someone a "communist" because they believe in a national health system.

In fact it's worse because objectivism is all about radical individualism (in the capitalistic sense), and logically precludes ethnic nationalism (not that I like objectivism mind you).

No. 203399

>>203398
Nice straw man, retard. Even if I was talking about the objectivist guy in >>203382, he was also a holocaust denier, so I think it's safe to assume.

No. 203400

>>203399
>so I think it's safe to assume.

Not really. Plenty of Arabs and Iranians also doubt the holocaust, but I wouldn't call them white supremacists.

Again, objectivism is completely different to ethnic nationalism. You lack nuance.

No. 203402

>>203400
Sorry, how dare I accuse a /pol/ browser who denies the holocaust of being a white supremacist. Obviously the two have no correlation.

And like I said, I wasn't even talking about that guy and neither was >>203377. I'm talking about legitimate white supremacists.

No. 203405

>>203402
You seem incapable of dealing with the central point here: that objectivism and ethnic nationalism are two mutually opposing ideologies.

And no, someone browsing an imageboard doesn't make them a white supremacist, nor does their taking an unorthodox opinion on a particular historical event.

I'll leave you to your boogeymen (/pol/, white supremacists, objectivists in class, Vladimir Putin etc).

No. 203407

>>203405
I'm not dealing with it because I don't care about Ayn Rand or objectivism vs. nationalism! It doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying!

No. 203408

>>203373
True. It's like that with any race; black people with we qas kings/queens, asians with don't stereotype us, it's not our fault we're oh so young looking and intelligent and you're 4chan basement dwellers…

No. 203410

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>>203398
I was not suggesting the guy was a white supremacist because he liked Ayn Rand. -I- like Ayn Rand, in small doses (shes a VERY flawed person but that does not dismiss all of what she had to say).

I was suggesting he was a white supremacist or at least held sympathies for them because he kept talking about how Zyklon B should have stained the walls blue etc. You would be hard pressed to argue that there is not a significant overlap of people who deny the holocaust and people who sympathize with Hitler typically. In hindsight I don't think the guy even had any original thoughts of his own because I knew which "infographics" he was referencing verbatim because at the time I also went to /pol/.

Also I'm not really sure why that guy is wording their posts to make it sound like he is me.

No. 203412

>>203410
I wasn't trying word my posts like that, sorry if it seemed like I was.

No. 203419

How the fuck a thread about the obsession with teens got derailed into /pol/ tier shit?

No. 203433

>>203419
/pol/ assholes are a huge chunk of the demographic that wants to fuck teenagers, that's probably why

No. 203439

>>203419
/pol/ regularly argues that age of consent laws are a construct of feminists and/or jews

Makes sense to me

No. 203465

>>203439
It's funny because /pol/ are the first people to attack a girl for being a slut, and having sex young (especially with someone significantly older) has always been widely considered slutty. They're incredibly short sighted and don't think past their desire to fuck young girls, they just assume they will marry the first teenager they get to bang and she won't risk being a slut. Too bad that's not how it works in real life, and older men almost always just want to pump and dump young girls. The girl is the one to suffer for it, whether it's her reputation, her attitude towards/feelings about sex, or more extreme consequences like single motherhood, and we all know how /pol/ feels about that.

No. 203477

It is a truth as old as time that aging is more painful for women than for men. In german there's the word "Heiratsschwindler" that describes a male that makes an aged single female believe that she can still get married and have a family before leaving forever after having extracted money from her.

The male equivalent is that most males are perceived as "average", which is not good enough for most women, at least before they feel the pressure of their fertility window closing.

Being angry about these things comes from not knowing anything about the world.

Being angry about the media sexualizing teens or teens sexualizing themselves on instagram comes from spending your free time unwisely.

No. 203500

>>203477
But "knowing about the world"/that aging is more painful for women as you put it, doesn't make the whole issue more okay or acceptable and that's what this whole thread is about, it simply shouldn't be this way!
Teens sexualize themselves because of the media and not, because one day they wake up suddenly feel like it

No. 203536

>>203465
>having sex young (especially with someone significantly older) has always been widely considered slutty.
The issue has more to do with having sex outside of relationships. A girl who hooks up with a guy a decade her senior isn't respected, but people tend to think she's dumb rather than slutty. After all, you admitted yourself they're just going to pump and dump her.

No. 203624

>>202478
Pay close attention to your BF. Is he a man that commands respect? Is he a man that other people see as successful? Is he intelligent and interesting? Do women your age often flirt with him or check him out? If the answers to these questions are all "no" that explains why he feels so cool that a little kid is giving him attention.
He is a dull nobody and most adult women find men like him tedius.

No. 203633

>>202410
yeah its called men. hate to be that guy but men are responsible for most of the horrible fuckery that happens to women and children e.g. pedophilia, rape, incest, dv, slutshaming, general abuse

No. 203636

>>202490
"girls are such fucking sluts" woah there, firstly: really unkind and misogynistic, also dont blame other women for YOUR boyfriends hangups, no one is pining to be with your dusty ass man

No. 203637

When I was 16 I had a crush on this 13 year old at school (I didn't know he was that young when I first saw him) I felt soooo fucking bad and gross about it

But men are absolutely brazen and shameless about that sort of thing. Double standard af

No. 203638

>>203637
yeah that's the thing. imo just being attracted especially if they look older than average is a far cry from active pursuing with zero guilt or reflection. i think people on both sides forget that sometimes.

No. 203642

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>>202410
literally an hour after readin this thread, one of my friends shares this absolutely nasty shit.

this girl looks 12 years old, made me feel sick! i like the friend who posted it a lot but this seems like a really low blow, i commented her telling her not cool and stuff…..utterly bizarre. im sure she just didnt think about it but…eugh

No. 203643

>>203642
have you seen the professional? definitely creepy and over the line for a lot of people but it's kind of the central plot point/drama and it's a well known movie

No. 203652

>>203642
The original screenplay had the characters in a sexual relationship but it was removed, and Jean Reno tried to intentionally make Leon seem too stupid to be in a relationship with Portman's character because it also grossed him out

I had to watch that for a film class and pretty much everyone there was aware of the creepy sexual undertones

No. 203653

>>203633
This tbh

No. 203656

>>203652
Even though the undertones where kind of uncomfortable they managed to make it so that it seemed like the girl was just going through a crush/phase and the man was simply fatherly/protective over her

No. 203658

>>203652

I never knew that the original screenplay had them in a sexual relationship but tbh it makes sense because the writer/director, Luc Besson, himself married a 15 y/o girl and got her pregnant at 16. He also said that the relationship was inspiration for the movie :T

No. 203659

>>202451
I've heard 22 is the optimal age for a woman to have child, health/fertility wise. Would make sense sense in relation to this.

No. 203660

>>203659
yeah but old man sperm is shit for making a baby as well, so you would think that the woman's graph would reflect that. I also can't image these old farts wanting a 22 year old because they want a family with her. it's most definitely because they want a PYT next to them. we really need to stop excusing these gross men perving on college-aged women

No. 203664

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Daily reminder that the median 30 year old man spends as much time messaging teenagers as he does messaging women his own age.

No. 203673

>>203660
>yeah but old man sperm is shit for making a baby as well, so you would think that the woman's graph would reflect that.
A mans sperm decays at a lesser rate, and different sexes are attracted to different factors. A mans wealth and stability is a much larger factor for a relationship than for a woman. Assuming he still takes care of himself (as in, moderately attractive face & fit), he's going to have a lot more options at 30 than when he was 20. It doesn't really work the other way around.

No. 203675

>>203664
maybe it's because women around that age tend to stay loyal to their husbands and not get on dating apps thus men around their age can't cheat on their wife or find some youngo to finally lose their v card to

No. 203678

>>203673
not really. many younger men are attracted to independent women, especially men just out of college.

No. 203681

>>203675
…what?

No. 203705

>>203408
Can you just say black americans, jesus christ I'm sick of my entire race being dragged into everything. It's insane how we are constantly mentioned anytime those white supremacists are brought up.

No. 203706

>>203678
Sure, but you'd be hard pressed to argue that men (on average) care nearly as much as women do about their partners career, stability etc. Of course there are men who are indifferent about or even prefer a woman who is devoted to her career rather than having more traditional goals, but you can say that with damn near any preference because the world is a big place.

No. 203711

>>203705
First of no, since it's no longer just people in the us. Second it's actually white people who get lumped together and collectivly called nazis, evil, white supremasist or whatever for simply existing, so get that stick out of your ass!

By being offended by just a little thing like that and acting all high anf mighty, you're somewhat proving the point. I'm from a 'first world country' but people here still say the n-world normally, would you've prefered that?!

No. 203712

>>203711
If people accuse you of being a nazi or white supremacist, it's because you act like one, not because of the SJW liberal strawman. Nobody is running around doing that flippantly.

Saged for total irrelevance. Wtf is going on in this thread? The argument that men are attracted to fertility in this day and age is hilarious - if you're trying to fuck 20 year olds, then no way to you want to get tied down to one who gets pregnant. It comes down to perversion and shamelessness, plain and simple.

No. 203713

>>203712
>it's because you act like one

I'm not sure about that, all sorts of center-right figures and anti-immigration figures get called nazis all the time.

Nazism is a political ideology, it's not just "anyone to the right of Bernie".

No. 203715

>>202602
oooh man. I have the same bullshit, my boyfriend is 5 years younger. I doubt anyone would look twice at your age gap if it was the other way around, but for some reason it just has to be the girl who's younger.

No. 203720

>>203712
How self righteous are you lmao? Funny to be saying that on lolcow, home of vendettas, I suppose every single person with a thread on or/snow is what is claimed amirite?

No. 203728

This thread isn't about nazis or /pol/ get back on topic.

No. 203948

>>202431
>it's perfectly natural for a man to want to fuck a baby with pubes and tits

No. 204204

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I just want to get married. I want to be a young bride, if possible. If I can't be a cute girl anymore, or don't have much time left, I can be a mother to cute girls and boys instead! A love of cuteness is naturally tied to a maternal drive.

My boyfriend is great, he is very kind, he is funny and sweet, he is very intelligent, he is an IT professional making a high salary. There are many great things about him.
But, he probably has lolicon tendencies…
He claims he doesn't like loli, but I've seen him interested in anime girls that are like semi-loli (middle school age physique) and he likes small breasts, dislikes large breasts, for doujins he goes to nhentai.net which hosts all the loli doujins that exhentai does. I even translate and typeset doujins, he likes that a lot.
He's a weeb and loves Kancolle. Most of his favourite Kancolle girls are Destroyer ships, which are designed to look like middle school girls in boat costumes.
He loves it when I wear frilly 'soft sister' type clothes. He's always said that I look young and 'so cute' and 'innocent' and 'cute is sexy' and he loves it. I also get carded often. He's not into DDlg, but he often pets my head and coddles me, playfully teases me like if I were a kid.

My boyfriend and I are the same age, 23. (Yuck! Just that number gets me upset. And it's only going to get bigger…) He and I met when we were 19. He says he thought I was about 15 when he first met me, so he was slightly apprehensive about dating me, but found out my real age a few dates later. Psychologically, first impressions count, ("imprinting") so in his brain, he'll always remember the "15 year old girl" me.

I was feeling semi-confident, but now that I went to this thread, I'm reminded how high the standards are, and I'm back to square one :(
I can't help but think "if you saw me, would you think I was some dried up, non-fresh, mediocre woman?"
But that's ok, because I pass my boyfriend's standards. He loves me, and he immediately makes love to me when I go in his house. And knowing that I spend/spent my youth with a wonderful guy, instead of being some "idol" or e-fame cow or a slut, makes me glad. I hope he still keeps loving me for a very long time.

No. 204208

>>204204
New copypasta?

No. 204211

>>204208
How rude, I opened my heart and told my secrets, and you think they're some kind of joke. The same thing happened the last time I posted. Bitch I bet you're in a more laughable situation. Could you tell me why you think my post is a copypasta?

No. 204213

>>204211
You sound like a dude trying to write how his imaginary gf would talk about him. If this is all legit then it's just really cringey. But good pasta material, would repost.

No. 204214

>>204213
Oh and samefag but
>wanting to marry a guy who watches hentai at 23
Lmao love yourself.

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No. 204216

>>204208
he's rp-ing as his gf lolario

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>>204204
He and I met when we were 19. He says he thought I was about 15 when he first met me, so he was slightly apprehensive about dating me, but found out my real age a few dates later.

>he found out my real age a few dates later

No. 204222

>>204213
Now why would a guy want to do that? Sounds like a waste of time, not even a redpiller guy would do that. Why does my post sound fake? I'm just typing the same way I type everywhere.
I'm sorry if I sound fake. But maybe that's a good thing, seeming like a 'too good to be true' girlfriend, or something.
>maybe if i use bad af grammar like this i'd sound more natural idk lol
Like most people type on these boards?

>>204214
He reads it, he doesn't watch it. He prefers having sex with me and he enjoys looking at my photos. And isn't it better than if he liked actual young girls?

What's with those reaction faces? My situation sure isn't the worst you've seen on this forum. I enjoy cute stuff and making my boyfriend happy, isn't that a good thing?

No. 204224

>>204222
>>204222
>But maybe that's a good thing, seeming like a 'too good to be true' girlfriend, or something.
LOOK AT HIM GO

No. 204225

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>>204222
>But maybe that's a good thing, seeming like a 'too good to be true' girlfriend, or something.

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No. 204236

>>204228

I'm proud too. Nice one! >>204204 will make a nice copypasta.

No. 204237

>>204204
>implying that I'm not rated 9/10 at 23, multiple dating options at my beck and call, while my ex-pretty-ex-classmates are pushing 190lb, fighting with their highschool sweetheart husbands and/or divorced, and pregnant again with the second kid.

No. 204253

>>204228
Awww I'm almost proud too.
Good /mu/ /lit/ memories.

No. 204263

>>204214
>>204215
>>204216
>>204220
>>204224
>>204225
>>204228
>>204233
>>204236
>>204237
>>204253

Why do you act so shocked by me, is that a defense mechanism? That's so fake and theatrical. This is an anonymous board, you can be honest if you like.
I doubt that you'd actually use my post as a copypasta, that just seems like an empty threat like everything else you anons spout.

I've read through the whole thread, there are so many harsh opinions that guys secretly harbor…
I hope my guy doesn't have those thoughts. If I'd ever ask him about it, he would deny it. He wouldn't want to hurt me. In any case, I can get vagina tightening surgery or something like that. If you can't beat them, join them? I love my man, he works hard at his job, so I try to work hard to make him happy, he deserves it. Do you have a boyfriend? How does he treat you?

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No. 204267

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i believe if it were legal and socially acceptable in the western world most if not all men would fuck 12/13/14 year olds.

They object to child brides in 3rd world countries because it's "filthy darkies being animals WE aren't like that" but will jack off to the teen porn category, fetishise school uniforms, write stories about teen girls "seducing" 45+ men and push the idea that women are no longer wanted or sexually viable past a certain age.

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>>204263
its almost like youre the one shoving the fucking lolicon idea at him but good god help me this gotta be bait and ill be struck down for biting…

No. 204277

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>>204263
this is amazing bait.

No. 204279

>>204263

When will robots stop role-playing here?

No. 204284

>>204277
I really want to buy that as a hat

No. 204286

>>204279
The same day they find something better to do with their lives.

No. 204288

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>>204280
>completely ignoring the other stuff I said that reinforces my point
but yeah, you're probably right I just ~know~ awful people.

No. 204310

>>204288
this chick actually looks 13 though, just with makeup

No. 204311

>>204263
despite popular belief, vaginal tightening won't give you loli vagina it would give you the vagina of a grown woman, just tighter, no grown woman looks like a loli, not even the self proclaimed lolis or the one internets call lolis


there's a reason why you only see photos or videos with high exposure, tons of makeup, contacts, and good angles of these people, no one looks like that in real life

No. 204319

>>204267
>>204280
I find it interesting that I experienced the peak of catcalling at 14-16 of age. Construction workers, drunkards, random groups of men. I would always try to avoid groups because I knew I'd get pestered. And mind, I've never looked mature and much developed. But I had very long hair and men would call me a beautiful nymph and stuff like that.
I'm 20-something and I barely get catcalled now. But I still remember the disgust and anger, huge pure anger I felt as a kid being accosted by grown men.

No. 204326

>>202540
It's often men and naive, media-marinated teenaged girls who force the "women are ruined after 30" meme. Most women look the same at 35 as they did at 25 with maybe a few more wrinkles, but the society still enforces the ideal of 17-year olds being at the peak of their beauty. And it keeps getting lower, now it's closer to 15. I've seen honest to god 20-year old girls panicking over getting "too old" and that their lives are basically over after their teens. It's disgusting. Even in porn "MILF"s are usually women barely in their early 30's.

>>202638
And here we have a perfect example. 22-year olds are basically teens. There's no physical or mental difference between a 18-year old and a 22-year old.

No. 204327

This thread is literally the female equivalent of /r9k/ bitching about women only wanting chads

No. 204328

>>202750
Dump him, anon. I can tell you for sure that he's not being "ironic" or "joking around". He's going to cheat on you with a 16-year old the moment he gets the chance.

>>202754
You too, drop that garbage straight in the garbage bin. Don't waste your life with a fucking predator.

>>203000
Dude parents allowing their kids go out like that is fucked up. And just because it's been around doesn't make it acceptable.

>>203201
After the kid is born he'll get a new 20-year old mistress in 4-7 years. I hope the current girlfriend at least gets a good alimony check out of him.

>>204204
Can't tell if this is a shitty bait or a shitty copypasta but 2/5 made me groan

>>204327
Fuck off robot

No. 204330

>>204327
>/r9k/ women only want to date Chads!!1!
>lolcow men only want to date teenagers!1!

I think lolcow may have a bit of a leg to stand on but both are the same botched way of thinking, go outside goddammit

No. 204331

>>204330
>>204327
seriously guys, all this anecdotal evidence itt is embarrassing. you're starting to sound almost as legbeardy as those haes tumblr girls who think men only want a size 0 bombshell or passive aggressively post how 'only dogs want bones'. except, instead of being insecure about being huge, you're blatantly insecure about not being a kawaii young looking girl like in your animes. that's why so many people ITT are humble bragging about being oh so tiny and cute and loli and my bf has a lolicon fetish but is with me but it's totes creepy~

No. 204332

>>204327
>discussing the issue of widespread sexualization of children is the same as dudes being buttmad that they're socially awkward and don't go to the gym

No. 204334

>>204332
This thread and r9k are both filled with people whining that they aren't considered attractive by other people's standards. It's the same.

No. 204335

>>204334
go back to your board, dude

No. 204342

>>204334
>>204331
>>204330
jesus christ fuck off already you butthurt robot piece of shit

>>204332
this

No. 204347

>>204342
If I had posted what I said here >>204327 but in reverse on r9k I would be called a roastie and get told to fuck off in the same way lmao.
I'm not saying anything about the sexualization of teenagers, I'm talking about the people ITT claiming they're worthless after aging past 20. It's the same way of thinking that makes robots think they're situation is hopeless because they don't look like a chad.

No. 204348

>>204347
>I'm talking about the people ITT claiming they're worthless after aging past 20
It was like… one person, iirc, and was called out for it.

No. 204359

>>204347
>I'm talking about the people ITT claiming they're worthless after aging past 20.

Except that some men seem to actually think that women are worthless after a certain age. (Not so much 20, but around 25-30.) I see that sentiment way too often. A lot of men love talking about women 'hitting the wall' and form little revenge fantasies around that concept.

No. 204375

>>204359

And those are the same types of men who have a 4 months pregnant belly and the hairline of a 60 year old CPA at the ripe old age of 25. The less attractive someone is, the more.they try to bring people down with their fuckshit.

No. 204395

>>204375
Guys love shoving the "hot guys are douche bags date a shy ugly man like me and we make you laugh" rhetoric down our throat… yet, it's always them doing the bullying, it's always the one who feel the need to tell people how they think a woman doesn't look good enough, she's flat, she's ugly, etc, even if what's being talked about has nothing to do with the womans appearance. it's always ugly men who want women to look like sex dolls forever and go for teenagers because women their age are as ugly as them, it's always ugly men setting crazy standard, hell, once when the fappening happened, I mentioned house I thought jennifer lawrence had nice boobs and of course the fattest, ugliest, boogie level looking guy I knew said "eh I've seen better", it's always ugly men defending if a woman who's clearly had surgery is natural, it's always ugly men wanting to blame women to hell and back for everything that happens, it's always ugly men pulling the "well if she was a man she would get punished more" card when a woman has been fairly punished, I stopped looking at crime watch dailys comments because everytime a girl got raped the uggos would come up and be like "she's not pretty enough she was chasing a dream" "she was a thot she deserved everything she got"


Honestly I have not ONCE seen an actual attractive man do that shit, attractive men tend to have attractive personalities, fuck what ugly basement dwellers say

No. 204426

>>204204
Why do women get involved with men who watch anime? They're all pedos.

No. 204428

>>204395
…honestly this is so true in my experience. as someone who is considered a bit of "one of the guys" in a male-dominated department, the ones who are lonely/ugly/creepy are the most critical of appearances. i dunno if the attractive ones are just better socialized or what but i don't recall them making stupid bro comments about girls.

No. 204429

>>204426
That's a robot level ridiculous assumption.

No. 204433

>>204429
Is it, tho? The vast majority of them qualify as ephebophiles (which is really the same) at the very least.

No. 204445

>>204395
>Honestly I have not ONCE seen an actual attractive man do that shit, attractive men tend to have attractive personalities, fuck what ugly basement dwellers say
This is just as retarded as the idea that ugly people all have golden hearts honestly. That violent felon with a pretty face comes to mind, the one who got that modeling contract.

No. 204447

>>204445
The original point was that attractive men don't have ridiculously retarded standards for the way women should look in order to be considered attractive. Everyone knows attractive people can be awful people (Bundy). But, they don't say shit like "meh, her left tooth is chipped 3/10 would not fuck"

No. 204448

>>204447
Kinda ot but Bundy was fuck ugly. I don't why some many people say he was attractive.

No. 204450

>>204448
*I don't know why so many people find him attractive.

Saged for annoying dyslexia.

No. 204451

I honestly think the majority of men would fuck a 13 year old if the law allowed it. I've always had a disproportionately larger amount of male friends and most of them have confessed to me that they'd totally be dtf 12-14 yo girls if they legally could. I'm at the point where when a guy says 16 is the youngest he could go, I practically see him as a saint. Men are disgusting.

No. 204456

It seems to happen to men, at least with people like robots and incels, because they didn't lose their virginity in their teens which they believe is not normal, so they become fixated on what they feel they missed out on and become obsessive over it and idealize it immensely.

No. 204457

>>204332
but no one's talking about that everyone's bawwing about anime and getting pissy about 22 year olds being "taken advantage of", you guys are idiots. and the idea that you think that only "angry robots" think that is ridiculous.

No. 204458

>>204456
The ''young love'' excuse they use is so bad, though. They just want teen pussy.

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>>202410
YouTube is full of videos like this. Grown ass men ''reacting'' to underaged girls. It's especially uncomfortable when there's a group of dudes reacting, and they're all pretending the girls aren't sexy. Just going ''ayy, good song'', ''she's a good dancer''. And the comments being full of even more grown men ''ironically'' saying ''if she's 13 I'm 13''.

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>>202616
I think another problem is how the media portrays teens.
Hell, nobody in this thread should feel bad for not being a teen, in movies and shit people who are like +27 play TEENAGERS. Look at the movie Grease for Christ's sake, nobody in that film was under the age of 21, but you bet your ass that Olivia Newton John(who was 29 when they filmed that shit) was hot as fuck

No. 205003

>>205001
i watched better off dead last night and lol'd at this classroom of what are supposed to be high school students. if only we could be so youthful.

No. 206667

>>202752
That's why dudes like them. Like ok they're cute, but mores it's just being carefree and happy - men don't want to actually do any work to improve the quality of life for women so they just find younger ones when they feel emasculated. You have to create the quality of life for yourself, most men just want to take advantage of privilege whether they admit it or not and that's a very human desire.

If you turned back time you wouldn't be carefree, you'd be dealing with even more shitty dudes because "teens" are fetishized even more. The bottom line is that if a dude wants to date a teenager it's because he wants the feeling of power and doing something wrong/taboo. You don't really want someone like that, stop giving those assholes that much power over your life and enjoy yours.

No. 206699

>>204995
Yeah, these dudes are more than likely pedos in disguise. Why the fuck would any normal adult want to search up videos of tweens on youtube? Just the action itself is bizarre, but posting their reactions is even more bold. Those kids are misguided and want attention from their own age range, not from weird men looking to profit off reposting their videos with reactions. Ugh, so many men are really shameless about their obsessions with younger people and their culture.

>>205001
I understand your point with the portrayal of teens in some movies, but tbh, I would rather have almost scantily clad 30 year olds with teenage roles in films than have actual scantily clad teenagers as the stars. Even though it is absurd, at least it's not super creepy.

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>>205001
>>206699
I don't think they should cast actual teenagers when the show/movie has very adult themes and situations, but they should cast between 18-21 year olds, Skins did that then only had that cast for 2 seasons then brought in a new crop of characters.

Also, I believe The Inbetweeners were cast with young actors above the age of 18.

No. 206751

>>205001
this girl dao fresh

No. 207198

I think people are obsessed with it because it's so taboo. It's women too. Look at the ddlg bullshit.

No. 207199

I just think men are disgusting creatures that want to pork every vaguely attractive fertile female from 12 to 35. The younger the better in many cases.

I mean, I agree that kids and young teens (of both genders) are beautiful. They're not slowly decaying yet, they're literally still forming. But why does that have to mean you want to fuck them?

Men are just superficial as fuck and many are insecure so a dumb kid who looks up to them and depends on them is ideal. It's like a pet you can also fuck or something.

Sorry for the rant but I just hate most men.

No. 207200

>>207198
People need to stop seeing ~taboo~ shit as hot, it's toxic and pedophilic, I can understand liking harmless yet taboo stuff but pedophilia? People don't like it because "teehee its so tabooooooo" they like it because they're pedophiles

No. 207201

>>207200
If you're attracted to 15-year-olds you're not a pedo (unless they look super young), you're just a regular heterosexual man. Men are gross.

No. 207203

>>207201
That is the case though, most of them are attracted to teens and preteens who look young and claim they dont


I'm not gonna sit here and act angry and delusional, but its rare to see someone who claims its ok to like kids between 12-17 if they look older, to actually like the ones that look older


Onision for example, he made that same claim,but still talks about how he likes underdeveloped women

No. 207204

>>207199
This. To add to that, I've seen many high school girls being seduced by far older men, and they saw it as a validation of sort, only to be dumped within a short time span. When men claim it's love, it's in fact pure lust. And nothing's more damaging to a young girl then being used in that way, especially when it's her ~first love~.

No. 207206

I'm convinced that most men who like women their age or older are pretty much fetishist at this point. The majority of adult men have disappointed me over and over with that disgusting lust over teenagers.

I was talking about high school with a guy I was dating a while back. All the while, he seemed to be unusually fixated on how 'hot' I must've been when I was 16. He went out of his way to specify that age and I swore I saw him salivating. Fucking gross.

Also, I guarantee most of the appeal of an underage girl comes from not having to do much to impress them. An adult woman, even a fresh into university one won't look twice at the guy who lives with his parents/friends, drives a junk bucket car and works at the gas station. A teenager however, will think he's the king of shit fuck mountain. If she's virginal or inexperienced, the he can basically do whatever he wants in bed and she'll be impressed. Teen girl's self esteem is so low that they'd do most anything to keep their adult (bragging rights) boyfriend around. I can't tell you how many times I've heard friends of mine confide all the disgusting things their adult BFs made them do when they were in late middle/high school. These perverts treat those girls like blow up dolls then ditch them when they get preggo or their little sisters graduate grade school.

No. 207207

Do some research on the concept of "Christmas Cake". It's not just an anime thing.

Hell, even rich and famous women can't hardly get any respectable work after age 35, unless they're known for being old and elegant like Meryl Strep.

No. 207214

>>207206
>>207207
This. It's so sad.
I'm gonna sound tumblrina for a moment but fuck, men are such trash.

No. 207215

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Men who lust for teenagers claim that it's for a low risk of divorce and high fertility, but research show this doesn't hold up. 44.5% of women with a high school degree will have had a divorce by age 46, but 32% of women with a bachelor's degree or higher will have had a divorce by then. Scroll down and see Table 4 of https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm A woman has her lowest risk for miscarriage in her early 20's, not at 16. See https://www.babyhopes.com/articles/best-age-to-get-pregnant.html The real reason is the power imbalance.

A teenage girl will be more trusting because she has fewer experiences of being taken advantage of in dating. She is unlikely to have job experience outside of minimum wage work and few savings. She will not have her own place to stay or a car. It's much easier for a man to get away with beating them, forcing them to do degrading sexual things, and never advocate for their needs this way.

There is an intense fear among many men (not all, I'll concede) of autonomous women. This is the reason a lot of the red pill and alt-right types advocate abolishing the right for women to vote, work, or divorce and for her father or oldest brother to decide her husband for her. It's not for the sake of tradition. They are hardly traditional themselves. They are porn users, infrequent church attenders (when they aren't outright atheist), encourage sex outside of marriage for single men, and show little interest in parenting and caring for children. "I'll let my wife take care of my 10 children. That's her job." These traditional restrictions were never for our sake. It was for theirs.

Look at the intense hatred of single women among right-wing men. There are complaints about them riding the cock carousel (A.K.A. "why won't she have sex with me???") and examples of individual single women going broke or making bad choices are held up as proof that ALL women are that way if they don't have a man to give their lives meaning. I see no widespread hatred of single men among right-wing or left-wing women, and a man getting into trouble or going broke is considered to be his individual failure and not an indicator of something larger. Look at the whole MGTOW movement. "See bitches, we don't need you or care about you. That's why we make dozens of videos and online posts about how we don't care." There are some single women who are bitter about it and spend a lot of time complaining, but you have to specifically seek them out. They don't have their own movement or go to majority male sites and harass men. It's mostly men who kill their potential partners for rejecting them or trying to leave the relationship, not women.

Most women can deal with being single just fine. Most men tend to go stir-crazy if they try.

No. 207216

>>207215

>Most women can deal with being single just fine. Most men tend to go stir-crazy if they try.


Ain't that the fucking truth. All the damaged men I've had the misfortune of dealing with site being single and "lonely" as the root of all their problems. They all want a mommy to hold, protect and fuck them. It's pathetic.

No. 207218

>>207215
You took the words out of my mouth, i absolutely agree.
Whenever I see alt right cucks (not saying alt left is better,both ends are just as retarded but in different ways) whine about how "wymins are crazy man!1!" they're always the one being hysterical and irrationnal. And if you disagree you're a mean sjw feminazi out to hurt their feefees

No. 207221

>>207218
And yet these types of men are the first to demonize all women for being overemotional and irrational. They consider women inferior for being lead by their emotions (according to them) but as soon as a girl says she's not interested they start fantasizing about raping and murdering her.

Men in general seem incredibly quick to resort to violence whenever a woman makes them upset. They have no emotional self-control whatsoever. I know a guy who expressed the very specific desire to 'stomp the fetus' out of his pregnant supervisor after one shift of her being bitchy to her. That's the first place his mind went for revenge.

Damaged men are beast.

No. 207222

>>207221
They sure are.
Jesus fuck.

No. 207223

>>207215
>>207215
>"Men who lust for teenagers claim that it's for a low risk of divorce and high fertility"
the fertility claim was discussed earlier in the thread but I'd like to add that men retardly justify most of their dumb standards as fertility, I say dumb as in dumb, not like "oooo I prefer blonde hair" I mean like "I prefer 15 yr olds with big butts wide hips and small waists and big perky tits with pale skin but it's ok because fertility!!!!" which is of course wrong to use fertility to justify it it, when have you ever seen women justify their standards for fertility ?


I agree 100% with everything you said, MGTOW just sound like they want to beat and rape women rather than do anything reasonable

>Most women can deal with being single just fine. Most men tend to go stir-crazy if they try

this. in the lying about rape thread, someone mentioned the man who made an entire list then ignored his wife while she was on a business trip because she ~DARED~ only have sex with him every two weeks or so. MGTOWs of course defended him, called her abusive for witholding sex, called her a cheater, called her lazy and cruel, and anyone that defended her "just wanted men to suffer"
also notice how soooo many men have broken up or abused love ones, or just had an awful response in general when being denied advances, not to mention how much they beg to see womens bodies just so they can judge, pump and dump then call her a used whore, it makes me wish feminism wasn't seen as some god awful crazy movement because we clearly need it nowadays

No. 207226

>>207215
>There is an intense fear among many men (not all, I'll concede) of autonomous women. This is the reason a lot of the red pill and alt-right types advocate abolishing the right for women to vote, work, or divorce and for her father or oldest brother to decide her husband for her. It's not for the sake of tradition.

I really hope this is true. It would make me feel a lot better for some reason. I had some guy I know always make me feel like shit for not wanting to be in a relationship or have kids, and I never understood why because it doesn't affect him in anyway. And if that really is the path to being miserable, it's just something I'm going to have to deal with. And my failure STILL doesn't affect him in any way.

I just hate that women don't seem to be able to get any respect. If we are on the path towards marriage and being a housewife, we're leeches. If we are single and focusing on our career we are sluts riding the cock carousel and destroying civilization (even if we're celibate.) I know the only way to win the game is not to play, but…it still sucks hearing those kinds of things.

No. 207227

>>207223notice how soooo many men have broken up or abused love ones, or just had an awful response in general when being denied advances, not to mention how much they beg to see womens bodies just so they can judge, pump and dump then call her a used whore, it makes me wish feminism wasn't seen as some god awful crazy movement because we clearly need it nowadays

My thoughts, exactly. I am glad to see several other women agreeing with me on that matter (while still being reasonable, unlike those "kill all men!!" tumblr types)

No. 207228

>>207226
Just to clarify the end of what i said here, I mean that alt-right men always seem to say that staying at home , raising children, and submitting to a man to make most decisions for you is the path to happiness for women. Maybe that is the case for some people, but I don't believe it's that way for all. And even if women want to skip out on 'traditional life' and focus on something else instead, that's their mistake to make if they end up unhappy. I don't know why alt-right men get so preachy about it. I absolutely do not buy that they ACTUALLY care about the wellbeing and happiness of women. They just want someone to be superior towards. It seems that way, at least.

No. 207230

>>207228

>I don't know why alt-right men get so preachy about it. I absolutely do not buy that they ACTUALLY care about the wellbeing and happiness of women. They just want someone to be superior towards.


Bingo. Do you really think that a man who spends time obsessing over claims that women are dumber, more emotional, less creative, and irrational will treat a wife with no money of her own respectfully? Do think submitting all your decision making to him will be to your benefit? It's all about the power imbalance. Historically, women could not get a job that paid well enough to support themselves, had little education, couldn't have a bank account, couldn't initiate divorce (but the husband could), and had no say in the governments that made laws affecting them.

Husbands were well-aware of this and would take their anger out on their wives, rape them, come home drunk, or refuse to give them money for their needs. They knew this system made it almost impossible for women to meet even basic life needs on their own and took advantage of it.

Whenever you see a man who hates women make claims that a certain policy or standard would improve women's lives, ask yourself if that policy or standard will make it easier for men to control or hurt women. Don't be surprised if your scorecard is 100%.

No. 207231

On the subject of feminism and the the topic of this thread, I came by the following website unfortunately via ED which claims the biggest reason feminism is terrible is because its stopping adult men from fucking children and therefore "punishing male sexuality" im rather disappointed that the site was not made fun of on ED but was instead used as a reference point for someone else.
This is just one articles but there are literally dozens which are worse on here:http://theantifeminist.com/angry-harry-on-child-abuse/

No. 207241

Reading through this thread and anon's personal stories makes me feel really lucky that I have a man like my boyfriend. Holy shit, the world is full of some garbage males.

No. 207266

>>207227
That's not really reasonable tho. Men don't beg to see women's bodies for the purpose of abusing her. They want to see women's bodies because that's what they like to see.

We're also getting very specific here. The thread started talking about men in general whereas now all men are apparently redpillers.

No. 207269

>>207241
I feel you. Thank god some of them are still decent.

Unless they find some really naive girl or some of those dumb "anti feminist" type, they probably won't breed. Thank god.

No. 207277

>>207266
not really, plus a lot of the time men we are talking about demand women cover themselves but only show it, for men to judge, I cannot tell you how many guys will talk shit about their girlfriends body behind her back, even if it's a small flaw like having small tits, it's that they claim how they want sex, beg to see womens bodies because "they like it" but truth it, they only want to judge it, if men truly did love womens bodies then there wouldn't be hoards of men talking shit about womens bodies behind their back

No. 207285

>>207277
>I cannot tell you how many guys will talk shit about their girlfriends body behind her back

That's so fucking sad. Damn. The worst thing is that these girls probably have no idea they're dating an asshole, because they probably treat her so well to get what they want from her. Fuck people like that.

No. 207293

Another thing related to this topic would be our "youthful" beauty standard of body hair for example. When you think about it, it feels like a fashion designed for pedophiles. When a girl hits puberty and becomes a woman, she will not only grow tits and ass; but also hair on her vajayjay and armpits. A "real" woman should in fact be hairy; while a child is hairless and bald in the same spots.

Our beauty standards tells grown women that they must look like a pre-pubescent child between their legs, in order to be "real" women. The girls who refuses to shave and keeps their hair are seen as lesser women, and are told they are manly, ugly, hysterical feminazis etc.

I think it's bullshit. Why would I want to look like a pre-pubescent 10 year old with a bald pussy? Why is a pre-pubescent pussy more attractive than an adult womans? Why would a child be attractive to any normal person at all?

No hate on the women who shaves though - we're all just doing what we have been taught for generations. I know that no one is shaving with the intent of attracting pedophiles - I'm just critizising the misogynism of the beauty standard itself.

You girls who think you're too old to be worthwhile because you're over 20 - plz re-evaluate yourselves. There is nothing worthwile with the opinions of the men you are trying to accomodate.

No. 207297

>>207277
>I cannot tell you how many guys will talk shit about their girlfriends body behind her back
I think this is more telling about the people you interact with because I've only encountered this once, and it was more that he was frustrated she kept gaining weight (medically obese) and refused to do anything about it.

>>207293
>The girls who refuses to shave and keeps their hair are seen as lesser women, and are told they are manly, ugly, hysterical feminazis etc.
To be honest you probably are off kilter if you refuse to keep your stuff at least trimmed. It's a reasonable request, one that men follow a lot of the time too. Nobody wants to get hair in their teeth.

No. 207298

>>207285
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/sexual-health/a1759/my-girlfriend-has-small-breasts-so-doesnt-turn-me-on/


it's disgusting how much importance men place on wanting women to have that perfect anime body

look at all these girls dating fat tubs of shit, they don't go talking about their boyfriends body behind their back and acting as if they're suffering because their partners body doesn't look as they please, hell most girls are even accepting if the man has micropenis syndrome, this isn't even the first time it's happened, just look up "my girlfriend is____" or my girlfriend has___
you'll find tons of men complaining, and that's just if you look it up, not to mention random comments on boards, youtube, social media comments etc it just makes me sick how easily men like so get women, it's disgusting how they can say this, like it's your partners body, why can't you love it because it belongs to who you love and care about not if it looks like a perfect porn star body or not
worst of all it's these same men claiming to hate plastic surgery and that they would break up with a girl if she got it
there's a special place in hell for men like this , if I could I'd stop giving these men benefits of dating or having sex, if you do not appreciate your lovers body, you do not deserve them, case closed

No. 207299

>>207297
>>207297
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111018155725AAeHpIG

lucky, I see this happen way too often especially on the internet

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130637903

"Srs. Feels bad man. I check out almost every girl's ass even when I'm with her, and she knows it. She's completely flat. It sucks. Her sister has a huge ass, and I always tell her to switch bodies with her sister."


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140721220323AAQMrxQ

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/305496-finding-girlfriend-s-body-turn-off-one-year-into-dating-honeymoon-period-worn-off

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163530851

No. 207300

>>207293
I can understand that standards for the bald, underdeveloped, childs looking vagina is pretty pedophilic, but keep in mind having small amounts of hair is seen as a feminine trait so it's not really a wonder why women like looking clean shaved, grooming pubes is good for both genders, the same reason why someone wouldn't want their fingernails to grow out long and gross

No. 207301

>>207299
>I check out almost every girl's ass even when I'm with her, and she knows it.

Fuck this guy hard. He WANTS her to feel terrible about herself. I'll never understand men like this. If you have such a huge problem with your girlfriend that you go out of your way to make sure she knows she isn't good enough for you, leave her so she can go find someone who isn't a raging cunt.

God I try so hard to be optimistic about men. I know #notallmen but it's hard to remember that sometimes when there are so many shitty ones.

And yes, before someone flips out, we are all well aware that there are shitty women as well.

No. 207303

>>207297
>>207300
I never mentioned my own vagina tbh lol. How hairy or bald it really is will remain a mystery, because it's not important.


>>having small amounts of hair is seen as a feminine trait


WHY is it seen as a feminine trait? That is the question I wanted to adress. :) (Mainly focusing on bald vags)

No. 207304

>>207298
>look at all these girls dating fat tubs of shit, they don't go talking about their boyfriends body behind their back and acting as if they're suffering because their partners body doesn't look as they please
Is this a joke?

Only fat fetishists are thrilled about the notion of dating someone fat. People bitch about their partner letting their body go to shit all the time, regardless of gender combination. A degree of attraction is pretty much a prerequisite, caring about the person definitely makes it much more flexible but there still has to be something to begin with.

>it's disgusting how they can say this, like it's your partners body, why can't you love it because it belongs to who you love and care about not if it looks like a perfect porn star body or not

This reads like something I'd have heard back in highschool. I've seen women dump men over this very topic and I'm not about to shame them over it.

>>207299
>lucky, I see this happen way too often especially on the internet
And? This is where people go to vent. I don't build my opinions on women off of tumblr, or men with r9k because that would be pretty stupid. You can see women doing the same shit now and then even on say, /adv/ or any forum about relationships with a significant population of women.

No. 207305

>>207303
Feminine being what is least masculine and vice-versa (in general), men have more body hair. So that might be it.

No. 207306

>>207303
>WHY is it seen as a feminine trait?
Because different sexes have different traits. Men are naturally more hairy, and a beard is stereotypically masculine. Therefore femininity will generally be the opposite-little to no hair body hair. It's also why society often makes fun of men who shave their legs for instance.

Alternatively, all men just secretly hate women. All of them, especially that one guy.

No. 207308

>>207303
mostly because testosterone causes hairiness and prosterone/estrogen can cause body hair loss or thinning, a lot of the time hair is what separates gender, while it's not the main factor and someone can be perfectly feminine with hair, hairlessness is seen as feminine even though most women will never be perfectly hairless doll skinned, but you get the idea


>>207301
agreed, if only women dropped guys like this, then they'd have no other choice but to make their standards realistic,it sucks men do this shit and still get to be in relationships

>>207304
"Is this a joke?

Only fat fetishists are thrilled about the notion of dating someone fat. People bitch about their partner letting their body go to shit all the time, regardless of gender combination. A degree of attraction is pretty much a prerequisite, caring about the person definitely makes it much more flexible but there still has to be something to begin with."
rarely, look at june or yumi, their boyfriends are tubs of shit but they don't go and bitch about their boyfriends bodies, hell june even promotes body positivity for men, I can see where you're coming from if it's harmfully TLC show obese, but I'm talking about just fat people who are fat and hideous but still able to function

"This reads like something I'd have heard back in highschool. I've seen women dump men over this very topic and I'm not about to shame them over it. "
I doubt this, I don't believe for a second that several women dumped men for not having porn stars bodies, you sound like a butthurt bot

"You can see women doing the same shit now and then even on say, /adv/ or any forum about relationships with a significant population of women."
right, find me an advice forum of a woman raging about her boyfriend not looking like a porn star
I don't care if it's where people go to vent, if you can't accept and love your partners unharmful body flaws, then you don't deserve them, case closed, it happens a lot in real life too, I don't know what fantasy world you live in where it's the women are the judgmental assholes who break up and dump all over men who don't look like porn stars, but I don't believe it

No. 207311

>>207308
>rarely, look at june
Maybe not the best example considering half of the posts on her thread are about how her boyfriend is overweight and unattractive. She apparently does not mind, and more power to her. I also know men that are with chubsters and are also happy, more power to them too. But to go on and claim women do not care about their partners attractiveness and never bitch about it is plain absurd.

>I doubt this, I don't believe for a second that several women dumped men for not having porn stars bodies, you sound like a butthurt bot

I am a robot for claiming women care about their partners body? Absurd. If anything a robot would be inclined to claim women only care about their partners social ranking. Yes, I've seen numerous women frustrated because their partner was a bit overweight (say, 30 lb~) because they kept their body in prime shape while their partner was lazy. This is not an extreme claim, hang out around a college campus and you will see similar situations develop.

>right, find me an advice forum of a woman raging about her boyfriend

Literally just hang out on /adv/ for a while. Or r/relationships. Or whatever else. No one is raging, but many are complaining.

>I don't know what fantasy world you live in where it's the women are the judgmental assholes who break up and dump all over men who don't look like porn stars, but I don't believe it

I'm not saying women are the assholes, I'm saying people are assholes and generally like attractive partners. Women it surprisingly turns out, are people too with sexual desires! Who knew?

No. 207313

>>207311
>"Maybe not the best example considering half of the posts on her thread are about how her boyfriend is overweight and unattractive"
are you… blind? most of her posts call her boyfriend cute and handsome, she never called him unattractive
>". But to go on and claim women do not care about their partners attractiveness and never bitch about it is plain absurd. "

I never said women 100% don't do it at all, it's the men do it the most, there's a tiny amount of women who do it, like the stereotypical girl who calls her exes dick small after a break up, but the vast majority of people complaining about their current partners bodies, flaws that aren't unhealthy, are men

>Literally just hang out on /adv/ for a while. Or r/relationships. Or whatever else. No one is raging, but many are complaining.


this literally never happens, I have yet to see some girl want to break up with a guy because his body isn't perfect, like normal, non-healthy,flaws, not obesity

>I'm not saying women are the assholes, I'm saying people are assholes and generally like attractive partners. Women it surprisingly turns out, are people too with sexual desires! Who knew?

you can like attractive partners without crapping on their body behind their back believe it or not! there's a reason why men like boogie and the amazing atheists have wives or girlfriends who dont treat them awfully where as girls who have less than perfect bodies often have troubles in their dating lives thanks to men such as the ones in the links I posted

No. 207316

>>207313
>are you… blind? most of her posts call her boyfriend cute and handsome, she never called him unattractive
Work on your reading comprehension, people here are consistently attacking him for his weight is what I was saying. The guy is not especially overweight, it's entirely a substitute for an attack on his personality. I also find it kind of funny they whine about her throwing other women under the bus but then spam her nudes constantly but that's a topic for another day.

>this literally never happens

Are you denying my lived experiences? I'm triggered now.

> there's a reason why men like boogie and the amazing atheists

Boogie also made a stream where he started panicking, afraid his wife was going to divorce him. Did the amazing banana pick someone legal this time?

>where as girls who have less than perfect bodies often have troubles in their dating lives thanks to men such as the ones in the links I posted

Yeah except I've seen interesting plain janes with plenty of dating success. That's the thing, don't set your expectations by the internet.

No. 207317

>>207316
>Work on your reading comprehension, people here are consistently attacking him for his weight is what I was sayin
that's other people, not june herself, if it was june herself you'd have a point

>Are you denying my lived experiences?

yes, most girls here don't even talk about how ugly their boyfriend is, I doubt it's on /adv/

>Boogie also made a stream where he started panicking, afraid his wife was going to divorce him. Did the amazing banana pick someone legal this time?

but boogies wife never said herself she was gonna divorce him for being overweight, and idk and idc

>Yeah except I've seen interesting plain janes with plenty of dating success. That's the thing, don't set your expectations by the internet.

maybe in your fantasy city or whatever the fuck you live, keep in mind women have been assaulted before for being ugly

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/09/woman-beaten-up-for-having-fat-face-and-spots-5055474/

No. 207320

>>207317
>maybe in your fantasy city
Yes, I'm the delusional one for saying an interesting woman can have success with dating and that women can be frustrated by their partner gaining weight. My lived experiences? Actually all in fantasia.

>keep in mind women have been assaulted before for being ugly

Yes, that's all that happened. It's not that she tried to cat fish someone mentally unstable. The guy was clearly off his rocker but don't make it sound like he just attacked some random woman because she wasn't cute enough. The whole reason someone bothered to make the article is because of how absurd it is, if it was commonplace then it wouldn't be notable news.

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>>207320
>Yes, I'm the delusional one for saying an interesting woman can have success with dating and that women can be frustrated by their partner gaining weight. My lived experiences? Actually all in fantasia.

the standards nowadays are through the roof, I assume you mean plain janes as in girls who are 5 or 6/ 10, maybe some, with of course a few flaws, and thats only of what they know, with all these men saying this crap behind their girlfriends back who knows, girls are willing to worship average looking guys and fall crazy in love with them, when have you ever seen men go crazy over plain janes?

women can become frustrated with partners gaining weight, I never said they can't hence why I repeat flaws that aren't unhealthy, while we have a fair share of men and women complaining about weight gain, when have you ever saw a woman go on some forum and rage about "oooo he has no pecs" "ooo he has no hair" "oooo he has no ass no dick he has acne gross leave his ass"
even if they do, when have women ever claimed to want to leave their boyfriend, cheat on them, compare them to others and remind them they're not good enough if they have one harmless flaw?

>Yes, that's all that happened. It's not that she tried to cat fish someone mentally unstable. The guy was clearly off his rocker but don't make it sound like he just attacked some random woman because she wasn't cute enough. The whole reason someone bothered to make the article is because of how absurd it is, if it was commonplace then it wouldn't be notable news.


this wasn't the first time this happened, remember the korean woman who was kidnapped and forced in a strip club with men berading her, calling her ugly, telling her to get plastic surgery like all the other asians, slapping her, etc? not even mentally unstable women use looks as a reason to attack partners

No. 207327

>>207325
>the standards nowadays are through the roof, I assume you mean plain janes as in girls who are 5 or 6/ 10, maybe some, with of course a few flaws, and thats only of what they know

More like 4-5 in my mind, but it's all incredibly arbitrary anyways. Far from hideous, but maybe have a few flaws, plain face, and their body doesn't especially stand out. You know, your average to less than average gal. If you're actually ugly, then you have my sympathies because things will be exponentially harder.

>when have you ever saw a woman go on some forum and rage about "oooo he has no pecs" "ooo he has no hair" "oooo he has no ass no dick he has acne gross leave his ass"

But I have? A famous example would be that tweet floating around, where a girl was making fun of men who's height doesn't start with 6' and then some dude retorted with "when her weight starts with two hundred" then women came out of the woodwork to bitch at him.

>when have you ever seen men go crazy over plain janes?

When there was an insane level of chemistry because they were interesting and funny people. But you're insisting I live in fantasy land, so hey.

>this wasn't the first time this happened, remember the korean woman who was kidnapped and forced in a strip club with men berading her, calling her ugly, telling her to get plastic surgery like all the other asians, slapping her, etc?

I cannot say I am familiar with it, so I can't really comment on it. However S Korea in general seems to be obsessed with plastic surgery.

No. 207328

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>>207327
>But I have? A famous example would be that tweet floating around, where a girl was making fun of men who's height doesn't start with 6' and then some dude retorted with "when her weight starts with two hundred" then women came out of the woodwork to bitch at him.


you mean that one example that was constantly mocked and made fun of and seen as a giant ironic meme with everyone bitching at the girl? in reality, no guy ever been broken up with for being short, they never got cheated on for being short, they never got called ugly, worthless, etc for the sole reason of being short, the whole "short men are poor little flowers and all women make fun of them" is a meme, just look at men like bruno mars or zayn malik, are they getting called ugly or shitty for being short?

>When there was an insane level of chemistry because they were interesting and funny people

as I said, fantasy land, average looking funny girls are just seen as funny girls, where as average looking funny guys are practically worshipped
tina fey for example, so many people make fun of her looks and it's rare to see someone attracted to her yet she has a pretty good personality, but there's women with awful personalites who are worshipped for being hot, such as most celebrities, yet there's so many averagey youtubers who are fangirled over just because they're funny or interesting , with people who are truly in love and there's chemistry sparking then yes, but that's rare in most relationships nowadays hence the hoards of men who want to bitch about their girlfriends normal flaw behind her back

>I cannot say I am familiar with it, so I can't really comment on it. However S Korea in general seems to be obsessed with plastic surgery.


the men were white, hence "why do you get plastic surgery like all the other asians"

No. 207332

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>>207328
>they never got called ugly, worthless, etc for the sole reason of being short
Sure, they're called pathetic for being short as a substitute for an attack on their personality. When a woman is called an ugly bitch after she shuts sometime down the rationale is remarkably similar.

>tina fey for example, so many people make fun of her looks

Are we thinking of the same woman? Was this in some Hollywood magazine? I always thought she was both funny and attractive, and most of my friends think the same to the best of my knowledge.

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>>207332
>Sure, they're called pathetic for being short as a substitute for an attack on their personality. When a woman is called an ugly bitch after she shuts sometime down the rationale is remarkably similar.

look at the short men thread, 99.9999% of them either prefer short guys or say they don't mind but the only problem is their insecurity


>re we thinking of the same woman? Was this in some Hollywood magazine? I always thought she was both funny and attractive, and most of my friends think the same to the best of my knowledge.


maybe people irl, but on the internet she is called ugly and people tend to make so many unnecessary rude comments on her looks, call her flat, etc, plus it was onision who constantly makes jabs about how ugly and flat tina is

No. 207345

>>207325
>>207328
>>207333
These images make me cringe so hard.
God, I hate men like that.

No. 207347

>>207345
ikr, let women live damn, like why can't a girl wear what she wants or flirt just because she doesn't have a big ass or big tits

No. 207348

>>207345
Honestly are there men that aren't like that? Genuinely asking. I don't have a lot of experience with men.

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>>207333
>plus it was onision who constantly makes jabs about how ugly and flat tina is
>giving a shit about what onion says
Anon please get a hold of yourself, I don't think anyone in the right mind likes or agrees with onion

No. 207352

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>>207348
there are, you just have to be extra extra careful, do NOT give these men benefits, the fact they keep acting this way is because we let them
once they learn that no one wants a man like that, they'll either be miserable or stop acting like a 13 yr old boys, either way is a win

No. 207355

>>207352
>there are
lol no there aren't
don't be delusional

No. 207357

>>207352
I find that the kind of men that make those kinds of pics often end up jumping from baby mama to baby mama until they're too old/ugly to attract women or one of those bitter singles because their standards don't match what they themselves bring to the table.

Also that guy looks like a discount Will Smith that crossbred with a donkey.

No. 207358

>>207355
ugh, you're not wrong
the most "gentlemanly" guy I knew
talking about calling my zits cute, holding doors, calling girls "ladies", fought off some guy that was harassing this girl, when asked about plastic surgery he said "it's the womans choice" etc etc
even he fell for this bullshit and told me about when he was about to have sex with a girl she had saggy boobs so he faked a call with his mom to leave
to be fair, I can give him credit where credit was due and he didn't have to fuck her if he didn't want to, but it was shallow as fuck and a dick move to tell his friends

No. 207360

What the hell is up with men wanting much more than what they are? I don't believe in the concept of 'leagues' but there are seriously deluded enough into believing that they automatically deserve a young, attractive lady that will wait on them hand over foot, put up with their less than desireable traits and love them for who they are.

If you can't love a girl for who she is (telling her she's ugly/fat/something you personally don't like) when why should anybody necessarily put up with things most o f these men aren't willing to change? In most cases, if a boyfriend asks his gf to lose weight she'll do it or at least try. Reverse the situation and he'll get butthurt and up in his feelings and start calling women shallow harpies or something like that.

Women have dating preferences and things that turn them off = self-absorbed, superficial whores.

Men do the same = it's just their taste.

No. 207362

>>207358
>talking about calling my zits cute, holding doors, calling girls "ladies", fought off some guy that was harassing this girl, when asked about plastic surgery he said "it's the womans choice" etc etc
That already sounds like an annoying piece of shit. Guys who do that are just ridiculously thirsty that they resort to pandering just to get pussy. They don't really mean any of it.

No. 207368

>>207360
>>207360
Pretty much
Once I saw a post where this woman was talking about how guys who claimed to like curvy girls, just wanted girls with big tits big butts and skinny everywhere else, and all the men came in being overdramatic saying shit like "YOURE JUST JEALOUS YOURE FLAT" and using the "but men always get judged!!!" Excuse, and my personal favorite "this is sexist and disgusting men are being bashed and alienated for what they like, women are pigs, men can like what they want"

No. 207372

>>207368
Yes, even if what they like is underaged, uninterested or out of their league.

No. 207381

>>207352
OT but why does he only make fun of black girls with acne? he does know black guys get acne just as much lmao


whats with acne anyway? people act like it's a god awful thing and the key to ugliness
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-37872.html
it's a damn skin condition ffs, it heals anyway, also why is it ok and "adds character" on guys but hideous and a deal-breaker on girls
sage for ot

No. 207394

>>207381
>also why is it ok and "adds character" on guys

i have literally never heard this and in fact only heard of it being associated with being ugly nerds.

No. 207396

>>207381
>OT but

This thread has been ot for a while now lol. Anyways, my opinion probably doesn't have much value here but I don't see any obsession with teenagers, at least not with my irl friends. My friends date pretty much only girls their age and nobody mentions wanting to date much younger girls or has tried to. Maybe it's because they're all relatively succesful in life (in other words not losers). And I know this is all anecdotal evidence blah blah blah. That being said, a 16 yo girl who's developed will draw attention to most men, naturally, excluding personal preferences. I don't think psychological or cultural reasons play a big role here, it's just the nature of attraction.

>>207394
Never heard about it either, seriously where the hell do anons see this stuff? Maybe I have been out of the internet for too long.

No. 207397

>>207394
https://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/185129-guys-can-be-attractive-with-acne/

plus on the odd preferences thread some girls stated they like acne, it's just that when men have it, it's more acceptable, when girls have it, she's hideous dirty and no one would date her, even other men with acne think they're too good for women with acne

No. 207399

>>207397
Dude in the same thread someone says girls look better with acne than men.

No. 207402

>>207399
one person who also pointed out that they can hide it with makeup compared to the tons of men in

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-37872.html


who wouldn't even give a girl with acne a chance?

> She is constantly messaging me, calling me, and sending naughty pics. While she has a smoking body (ex-college athlete) which i'd rate an 8.5 she has one thing that I find disturbing, and that is that one side of her face around cheek area has bad acne scars, we are talking about worse than Cameron Diaz (on left) "


"2RE: Would you date a girl with bad acne scars?
No.

There's a few flaws in chicks I can't deal with:
-Acne
-Acne scars
-Ugly feet
-Stringy hair
Think about it this way: when a relationship first starts out you don't mind her flaws as much, but as it progresses the flaws will become more of an issue as the newness of the relationship wears off.
If you think it bothers you now, wait 6 months, you won't even want to kiss her.
Even more disturbing is that she refuses to get help to fix them. Even Brad Pitt had scars (you can see them in his earlier films), but he got laser surgery to fix his skin.
Don't settle."

"I also vote no, but I do it with a bit of regret. It's one thing if a girl treats her body poorly and gets fat, it's a whole different issue if she is just genetically unfortunate. I make it a point not to think ill or talk shit about a girl who has poor facial genetics, since it truly wasn't something they did to themselves."

"RE: Would you date a girl with bad acne scars?
I wouldn't ask them out, because I wouldn't want to be rejected by a deformed chick."

"RE: Would you date a girl with bad acne scars?
I probably wouldn't even though I have them myself haha"

"Years ago, while married to my 2nd wife, I met this 25yo virgin with a bad case of acne (through a computerized dating service–there was no Internet yet). She looked 30 at least, and I looked 30 at most (but was already in my forties) and she wanted to talk about the problem–I wouldn't have discussed it at my own initiative. By then, she already knew I was married because I found her too unattractive to lie to her, but my other head was still willing to get to know her better. Long story short, she kept her V-card but I convinced her that swallowing cum will be helpful for her skin condition and provided the "medicine" twice a week for a while. I did take her BJ-V-card, by all indications. I would never have a serious LTR with such a girl, however: I have never been mature enough to overlook looks."

"Man and women have to care to different things. Men have to be confident, strong, leader, protective ecc so there are qualities more important than beauty (or a perfect skin) per se.
Girls, on the other hand, have to be beautiful and feminine. Physical flaws are much more noticeable on them.
So, as many girls wouldn't date a guy who is a social retard, many guys woudln't date a girls with bad acne scars.
Mild acne scars (even in the face) can be acceptable though…"






look, this shit is completely awful, one person saying "yeah i hear that all the time, (talking about guys with acne being hot) but what about girls? sorry i think girls with acne generally look better than guys..becase girls can have nice hair and clothes and makeup etc. but thats just my opinion!"

>>207399

No. 207405

>>207401
It's very easy to find discordant opinions on the internet, depending only on how much the person searches. And some people tend to be more vocal than others (namely the people who dislike said thing). It doesn't mean it translates to real life. I think girls with acne are kinda cute, sage for going ot

No. 207407

>>207405
but it's rare you'll find someone in real life that likes acne, where at on the internet theres a tiny group that think it's cute and 75% think it's god awful and a deformity

No. 207411

>>207396
agreed it's like biology, it's wrong culturally, which is learned. anyway these kinds of threads remind me of incels complaining about chad.

No. 207414

>>207402
Holy shit, never has a board reinforced my intent to stay the fuck away from men so quickly and effectively, not even /pol/ or trp or MRA shit.

But hey, every time I run across PUA fuckery all I have to do is remind myself that these men spend hours of their life desperately trying to get girls, while I have a life and am sane.

No. 207418

>>207411
being chad is attainable
wanting literal teenagers from 12-15 isn't considering they'll grow out real quickly just to be tossed aside for another teen to pursue some basement dwellers fantasies


>women liking charismatic and good looking men is the equivalent to women thinking it's weird society has become sexually obsessed with teenagers, even the ones that look underdeveloped

No. 207420

>>207418
no, the aspect that's the same is
>men thinking all women hate them and being gross sluts who only like x
and
>women thinking all men hate them and are nasty pedos who only like x

get your head out of your ass

No. 207423

>>207420
one is fueled by jealousy, one is fueled by pure disgust, even other men find it gross that men are obsessed with teens, there is no harm in women liking so called "chads" which isn't even true since ugly ass dudes with shit tier personalities are still getting laid, and people tend to lose respect or any attract they have to a woman around the time she reaches 30 unless she's rich or ~glamourous~
no one is saying all men are pedos, but there is clearly a problem with men liking teenagers which only proves the slippery slope exists

"uhh its ok to like 16+ yr olds if they look mature"
"its ok to like them anyway tho even if they look underdeveloped because a lot of age of consent it 16"
"ok under 16 is still acceptable because puberty"
"I wonder what it's like to fuck a 13 yr old"

no, women aren't "OMG SOOOO JEALOUS!!!" of teens who are just gonna end up being another oldie thrown to the side anyway, sexualization of teenagers is toxic to society, and the toxicity actually works hence why all these 12-15 yr olds are getting famous just for being hot, as well as "teen pussy" being on the rise in porn, for the chads, it doesn't do anything but hurt bots own feefees that some women would prefer someone in shape and not socially awkward under their own delusion because women are still losing their shit and giving pussy to ugly losers, and men overreact and age when their wives boobs start getting saggy like a normal part of aging

No. 207426

>>207402
man wtf
I'm glad my acne cleared up with time naturally.
>>207418
>being chad is attainable
not really, chad is a personality type. there are loners who look like chad who go to /fit/, but they're the silent creep types.

No. 207431

>>207426
like I said, attainable
just put on a fake attitude and you can be chad 4ever

No. 207433

I think you're all grouping lots of disparate groups of men together and combining all of the traits you hate to ascribe to artificial group you've created.

My long-term boyfriend is a very conservative guy, but when I showed him stuff like MGTOW he didn't feel any sympathy for them. He thinks men need to step up to the plate too (work hard, save money, be able to have a career too) and that if they don't do this, they have no right to complain about women.

And I don't think his expectations are that extreme ("don't date people you can't see yourself marrying" etc) tbh.

No. 207460

>>207423
Ugly ass dudes get laid and so do ugly ass women. With that reasoning, women shouldn't complain about men wanting a specific type since even the uglies can get laid.

No. 207468

>>207423
Men liking women who are newly fertile is a biology thing though, the only reason it's gross it's because we understand that their brain isn't fully developed yet and it's creepy to think of men taking advantage of girls who can't make rational decisions well. this whole idea of young but fertile girls not being classed as adults only happened within the last century. girls used to be counted as adults ready for marriage after they had their period.

No. 207469

>>207468
Yes and this led to an early death! And it's not like men stayed single until they were 40 either, young girls married young boys, so that argument is bullshit.
In earlier times people did lots of shit; doesn't justify doing it now!

No. 207470

>>207469
lol calm down. not a justification just explaining. it's a new idea so it makes sense biologically that the attraction is still there. especially since it's a totally social rule and goes against how our brains are wired for attraction.

No. 207471

>>207469
also it was absolutely the case that older men and younger women got married even 100 years ago because younger women who were 16 were treated the same as of they were 24

No. 207478

>>207460
ugly ass men barely get shit talked behind their back by the person they love for being ugly, they barely get cheated on and get blamed on them being ugly, they barely get harassed for being ugly, it's easy for ugly men to move up on social media but merely impossible for girls to, hence why ugly ass men can be funny or entertaining and gain tons of subs or followers but its impossible for ugly girls to do the same, ugly women do get laid but not as much as ugly men because men are shallow and focus on looks unless they have a fetish or just want to pump and dump

No. 207479

>>207468
>>207470
the "IT'S FERTILE!!!!" is tried, and debunked, and has been debunked earlier in the thread
the most fertile age for women is in her early 20s, being a teenager isn't the peak of fertility, if anything it only decreases fertility


>>207471
>believing some creepy old fuck marrying some young teenage girl is the same and believing anything from victorian times proves anything

men were creepy and wanted wives to pop out kids until they turned 24 then throw them to the side and find a new teenager to do the same, also older men have decreased fertility

No. 207501

>>207471
I think it was because everyone had an early death age. Totally not applicable today. If a guy does date significantly younger/younger typical excuses are "shes really mature for her age" which just implies he is immature. And they are often easier to manipulate.

No. 207548

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>>207418
>being chad is attainable
While the actual definition of "Chad" is all over the place, this is definitely wrong. It's not just being extroverted, it's also about looks. You can lift, you can improve your value in other ways too absolutely. But there's no reasonable way to deal with say, a recessed chin.

There is no way someone like this will become "Chad". It's supposed to be a near mythological ideal anyways.

No. 207550

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>>207548
well average men without facial deformities can become chad, the chance of people having faces that prevent them from being on chad level is very low and the people complaining about chad, most likely have normal faces and are just mentally ill and don't wanna work out or work to gain confidence, even so, if the deformity isn't that big of a deal they can still get fangirls to fall all over them if they have the right personality and don't work out

look at leafy, he got no chin, is chubby, and millions of girls want his dick

>"being chad is attainable because working out"

>"its not just about looks its about personality to be chad!!!"
>"exactly, put on a fake personality like all of them"
>"being chad is about looks too!!!"

welp, this went in a circle


anywho, men have it easier, they can have flaws such as acne and not get called ugly and have women make a huge deal about how they will never date a man with acne
a big nose isn't seen as a deal breaker, if anything is seen as attractive, women need to have small noses to have nice noses
men with all different size lips are seen as hot but there's the cookie cutter plump lips girls need to have
men can have big eyes or small eyes with all different colors and people will love those eyes, for girls there's the generic big eyes that women need to have in order to have nice eyes
face shapes, although the sharp face is seen as hot on guys, women are often pressured to have a heart shaped face, which unless you're lucky or get plastic surgery, most women don't have, and keep in mind a lot of the "feminine features" as seen as attractive on women, tend to be rare to be all put together, so of course,99% of women, unless they get surgery, won't have the "perfect" face, which men can easily have unless they got some odd features like a really square face, hell brad pitt is shaped like a box and girls still gush on him


for body, men just need to work out and thats it where as girls need to have nice tits, nice ass, which genetics plays a huge part in, since men gain muscle easier, women can get a nice ass by working out, but keep in mind some girls can do all the squats in the world, do yoga, eat lots of estrogen and protein and still have no butt


the guy in your picture, which I doubt is real, despite his forehead, he can work out and bulk up, get a good haircut and just be seen as any other chad fuckboy

No. 207554

>>207550
>look at leafy, he got no chin, is chubby, and millions of girls want his dick
Because he's an e-celeb. Strip him of that "fame" and he'd be no one special. I never said you have to be the chad stereotype or you'll die alone either. Hell even the average dude will do well enough in the right situation.

Moreover your list of requirements for women is absurd. They have to have blue eyes for them to be described as beautiful? I can think of examples where the woman had blue,green, or brown eyes and they were described as beautiful. I also know many men who have a thing for semetic women, who are quite notorious for having big noses essentially. You're downplaying the fact men are pressured to have certain traits such as chiseled jawlines while hyping up common preferences as requirements at the same time.

>the guy in your picture, which I doubt is real, despite his forehead

He's some poster on r9k who became famous because they pulled a Sam Hyde with him during the Oregon shooter event. The guy can improve, but he'll never be an 8+ without plastic surgery. The whole point of "Chad" is that he's the first guy people notice when they enter the room, no one is doing that for Moot, Zuckerberg or whoever else unless they already know who they are for reasons entirely unrelated to personal charisma or aesthetics.

I also strongly wish there was a better term for this, christ.

No. 207555

>>207554
>Because he's an e-celeb. Strip him of that "fame" and he'd be no one special.

exactly, look at efamous women who are average, they get called ugly or don't merely get enough attention about their attractiveness as leafy does

>Moreover your list of requirements for women is absurd. They have to have blue eyes for them to be described as beautiful?


ummm, what? I said big eyes, not blue eyes…
> I also know many men who have a thing for semetic women, who are quite notorious for having big noses essentially.
funny you say, the thing about men who claim to have things for said women often find the ones with nose jobs or small noses the most beautiful and use small noses to represent how beautiful semetic women are

>You're downplaying the fact men are pressured to have certain traits such as chiseled jawlines while hyping up common preferences as requirements at the same time.

sure, but it isnt common for men to get surgery for a chiseled jaw, it isnt common for them to have the shit bashed if the have a rounded jawline, it isnt common for men who dont have that jaw to make a post and have people come in and say "LMFFFAOO HE GOT A GIRLY JAW", it isn't common for people to make memes such as "when some fuckboy is taking side face pics and flirting and he aint got no chiseled jaw" it isn't common for women to pressure their boyfriends to get surgery to have that jaw

>common preferences as requirements at the same time.

the thing about these "common preferences" is that women will easily get bashed and shit on if they do not fit these requirements

>The whole point of "Chad" is that he's the first guy people notice when they enter the room, no one is doing that for Moot, Zuckerberg or whoever else unless they already know who they are for reasons entirely unrelated to personal charisma or aesthetics.



that wasn't the point, it's that being chad is attainable (or at least more attainable then what is expected of women to be), moot,zuckerberg or whoever else can easily become chads if they work out and act more extroverted

No. 207556

>>207555
>exactly, look at efamous women who are average, they get called ugly or don't merely get enough attention about their attractiveness as leafy does
Everyone gets called ugly if they have any attention. The difference is how they let it play out. Broteam decided to make a joke about his weight and low testosterone, and now it has no power. I also think it's strange you're kvetching about this on lolcow of all places, where women regularly attack other women for getting breast implants or gaining weight with June and Momo respectively.

>ummm, what? I said big eyes, not blue eyes…

Guess it's my inner nazi leaking again. Sieg Heil, or something.

>sure, but it isnt common for men to get surgery for a chiseled jaw

Do you live in South Korea or Hollywood? It's generally quite uncommon for people to get plastic surgery. Breast implants are notable in large part because of how rare they are.

>it isnt common for men who dont have that jaw to make a post and have people come in and say "LMFFFAOO HE GOT A GIRLY JAW"

Yes it is. Especially if he's talking about how good he feels about how he looks. People like to stir the pot on the internet, this is nothing new.

No. 207558

>>207556
>Everyone gets called ugly if they have any attention. The difference is how they let it play out. Broteam decided to make a joke about his weight and low testosterone, and now it has no power. I also think it's strange you're kvetching about this on lolcow of all places, where women regularly attack other women for getting breast implants or gaining weight with June and Momo respectively.


the thing is that women will get it a looottt more, maybe you can find leafy getting called ugly in some drama or some roasting session or whatever, but it's rare you'll look in the comments of his videos and see him get called ugly or see drama videos and see the commenters call him ugly, hell even if he had his own thread he would barely get called ugly

>Do you live in South Korea or Hollywood? It's generally quite uncommon for people to get plastic surgery. Breast implants are notable in large part because of how rare they are.



no, it's actually quite common for people to get surgery, especially breast implants, I live in the buttfuck middle of nowhere and I can easily name several women I new had implants, in fact look at the PS fraud thread,several people talk about people they know in their personal lives who have surgery

>Yes it is. Especially if he's talking about how good he feels about how he looks. People like to stir the pot on the internet, this is nothing new.


proof? I have seen a lot and lurk comment sections and my spare time and I can easily say never, have I ever, in my 25 years, ever seen someone shit all over a guy for his jaw unless it is deformed or receding

No. 207559

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>>207558
>it's rare you'll look in the comments of his videos and see him get called ugly or see drama videos and see the commenters call him ugly, hell even if he had his own thread he would barely get called ugly
And what youtuber is getting this type of shit you're describing? I'm not seeing it on any of Junes videos. Looked up Laci Green, nothing there. Looked up "famous makeup artists youtube", and everyone is just calling this Monika Blunder gal gorgeous but I'll admit I have no idea who's who on that front. I've seen an order of magnitude more attacks on this website than anywhere else.

Granted I've seen a lot of attacks on Ann Coulter.
>proof?
Someone posted that picture of people going on about how some asian female athlete "has no curves" I believe and were generally giving her shit, but I distinctly remember a counter part where people kept trying to make fun of another male asian athlete in mostly the same manner.

This is like arguing the sky is blue though, trolls like trolling and will seek out any topic that gets a bite. If you're insecure about your chin, it's the safest bet around to assume they'll attack it. If it's your dick, forehead size, or anything else they'll go for that too.

No. 207560

>>207559
>june
thats because june is considered attractive, people here make fun of her implants and her inbred philitrum but thats about it
>laci green
again. attractive, she gets her face called goofy and her mouth called big by other youtubers though such as the amazing atheist
>monika blunder is getting called gorgeous
by what? two people? ok then

>make fun of another male asian athlete in mostly the same manner.


I doubt this, even so, if a man is skinny, it's rare girls will bash or reject him for being skinny unless he was anorexic, I honestly have never seen a woman make fun of a man for being too skinny unless it was anorexic, however girls without curves easily get made fun of on the daily, they can literally just post a pic and people will come in and start bashing, or if they wear something "revealing" people will make shit like the memes posted earlier

> If you're insecure about your chin, it's the safest bet around to assume they'll attack it. If it's your dick, forehead size, or anything else they'll go for that too.


thats not the point, it's that women face it a lloottt more than men do

No. 207561

>>207550
leafy is scrawny not chubby wym anon
he isn't even that popular anymore

No. 207574

>>207560
What's up with these idiot robots?

I agree with you but this debate between this idiot has gone too far.
it's the fact of life that women have to look good most of the time. Women are judged by their looks everywhere, hence why theres so much social pressure to look perfect. Makeup wouldn't be a thing same with attention whores and Instagram thots littered everywhere if looking good didn't matter. That's why lolcow even exists because a majority of these women are starved for male attention, filled with body insecurities and some who got big just cause they look good.


It's retarded to deny that and there is a lot of pressure and competition too. This is what makes catty bitches. If men are pressured to put pounds of make up on to look somewhat acceptable on a daily basis- then I'd understand men having to go through the same pressure. Let's not even start the Photoshop crisis that a lot of women are abusing nowadays. If looking good didn't matter, there would be no need for these editing softwares,meitu, Snapchat filters. Being average isnt good for a woman nowadays- hell it's actually a fucking insult most of the time and you have to have a bunch of perfect physical traits to get by. A pretty face with an healthy/average body is not enough. I can confirm that.

A lot of women know this that's why those who can use that to their advantage garner male attention to lead them on and use them.

No. 207576

>>207574
pretty much, I figured they were a bot the second they tried to convince us that people will judge, mock, and laugh at a man for not having a feature that is considered attractive, such as a sharp jaw


">it isnt common for men who dont have that jaw to make a post and have people come in and say "LMFFFAOO HE GOT A GIRLY JAW"
Yes it is. Especially if he's talking about how good he feels about how he looks. People like to stir the pot on the internet, this is nothing new."

No. 207577

>>207574
Robots are dumbarses who think they like "average" women. But to them, they look at attractive women all day(pictures on the interbuttz) so that is what they think is average. Their standards are high and they don't even know it.

No. 207579

>>207577
this. They worship women like katya lischina, who has had surgeries as well as several anorexic women, not to mention mystery and her boob lift, they call it "natural and obtainable average QTs", they just dont notice the things such as anorexia and PS and ignore it when the girl talks about it, or when she does talk about it they still call it natural and obtainable

No. 207582

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>>207577
true, given there are averagey looking girls in here like lauren, but a lot of these girls are anorexic, had surgery, or look like shit without makeup, the thing r9k claims to hate

No. 207590

>>207574
Yup,pretty much.
They look like gangrenous foots yet want a beautiful woman. Lel.
And then they'll just cry like the manbabies they are if they get rejected (because obviously no girl in their right mind would even touch the likes of them with a ten foot pole).

No. 207591

>>207582
a guy i went to high school with has the exact same facial features as katya, they look like twin brother and sister
which is why seeing her picture everywhere freaks me out… what if they really are lost siblings? he was a slav too
of course it's just a coincidence but it really does freak me out

No. 207592

>>207556
>>207558

It is true that women face more pressure than men do to look good, and plastic surgery and Photoshop have raised the stakes higher. Although men are facing increasing pressure to achieve a perfect ideal and have more body image issues as a result. They commonly feel they aren't muscular enough. It's referred to as muscle dysmorphia or "bigorexia". Here are a few quotes from this article http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/21/bigorexia-men-body-image-disorder_n_3789260.html

>it has increased to up to 45% among men.


>Kate Fridkis blogged about how in the same way that women have started campaigns to include a wide variety of body shapes as being beautiful, men need to do the same. “…sometimes, it’s the boys and men in my life who seem to need the most encouragement, where body image is concerned. And I think a big part of the reason is because even as they’re experiencing these feelings, they’re not really allowed to talk about them,” she says


> Men’s lifestyle journalist and Contributing Editor for Men’s Health magazine Jonathan Thompson says: “Men are increasingly conditioned that they (need) to look a certain way - flat stomach, broad chest, big arms - and there’s a tangible pressure to create that elusive ‘V’ shape, if they want to feel successful, powerful and attractive.”


The book "The Adonis Complex" by Harrison Pope and Katherine Phillips has more in-depth information on the subject. Steroid abuse among men who aren't full time athletes or bodybuilders has gone up over this past decade. It's much more common to see shirtless, well-muscled men in ads, magazine covers, and movies than it was decades ago. Even the GI Joe action figures are more muscled than the original toy's debut.

Body issues among both sexes seem to be rising, why? I think it's because of the sexual revolution. If life-long commitment no longer feels attainable and going from one relationship to another several times a year doesn't raise eyebrows, then why not go for the sexiest person you can find? Who cares about sharing common interests, morals, political views, or having a desirable personality when your sexy partner isn't likely to be with you in the long run anyway? Let your lust guide you.

Playing Oppression Olympics or "Team Woman V.S. Team Man" isn't going to help anyone. Discussing what the causes of these issues plaguing both sexes more and more are and tackling the roots of the problem will.

No. 207594

what is it with men hating on body hair while they look like apes?
like, look,i dislike body hair and always shave but jfc they have such a hateboner on girls growing some. who gives a shit if they choose to keep their hair?

was trying to explain to a guy that it was natural, that even if it was understandable he didn't like it, "disgusting" isn't really something to call a girl because of visible leg hair (especially when it was barely anything and that given by his profile pic he was pretty hairy) and he just started whining and getting triggered about "ugh feminists!1!" then finally said "i guess you feminazis also think catcalling isn't a compliment but harassment? feminists are going too far".

Is there a cure to their retardation?

No. 207596

>>207592
>muh muscles
jesus christ who fucking cares

No. 207597

>>207594
Idk why straight men are so entitled, like they think every single woman has to be up to their fuckability standards. Forget the concept of women not wanting to fuck them, for some reason it's still necessary for women to meet their standards? What the fuck, some men are ridiculous

No. 207598

>>207597
>>207594

Sounds to me like you two spent too much time around gym rats. I agree with the sentiment but those kinds of guys tend to have romantic difficulties so they're the ones suffering, really.

No. 207599

Sometimes i think shit like what's in this thread this is part of why i'll never date guys ever again.

I'm gonna sound like a sjw for a sec but a vast majority of straight men are so fucking shit (i know they're not all like that and gay guys and women can be little bitches too,… but dear god)

>>207594
I laugh everytime i see girls trying to reason a dude (in a reasonable and calm way,that is) and he just goes full retard "k-kek feminazis are attacking me XD"

Also speaking of those guys (also they're often the kind to have a smug animu girl with a MAGA hat or some shit as their pic on twitter and they greentext on facebook, we get it big boy, you go on 4chan)
Why is it that they're so fragile and scared of "dah feminazis!!!!" taking over? Except those absolutely idiotic sjws we just want equal rights and be treated normally.

/rant

No. 207606

>>207582
Robots really are obsessed with underage girls aren't they? Or at least girls who look underage.

No. 207609

>>207606
>robots being disgusting and pedos
Next up, fire burns and water is wet

No. 207612

>>207599
>Sometimes i think shit like what's in this thread this is part of why i'll never date guys ever again.

This. I hope I don't offend any lesbians here, but I really wish I was a lesbian. After interacting with men in real life and on the internet (where they have absolutely no reason to hold back or censor themselves, so they can say what they really feel), I can't trust literally any guy I meet. I know I'm the problem and I'm being ridiculous, but I still can't snap out of it. I'm afraid that no matter how kind hearted and normal a guy seems, he could be hopping on /pol/ after he drops me off at my place and talking about how much he hates women and wants to see them gassed. It makes me not want to even try to form a relationship with one, because I wouldn't survive one relationship with a guy like that. My dad is exactly like those people, and it was hard enough to make it out of adolescence. I'm still working through all of the self hatred I felt just for being a woman.

Idk man it's like I grew up and every concept I had of love & men just got shattered to smaller pieces the more experience I had with them. I fear that they really just tolerate women for sex and nothing else. I almost wish I was still naive about men, because at least then I could live in my little hopeless romantic bliss and delude myself into thinking everything is great and the men I pursue relationships feel the same kind of admiration and fondness I feel for them. Instead of "oh i gotta put up with this brainless worthless cunt if i want to stick my dick in it."

Sorry if this sounds robotic, just had to get it out.

No. 207618

>>207612
(anon you replied to)
it's alright anon. As a (very probably) lesbian i'm not offended in the slightest and completely understand. What you just said is exactly how i feel at times.
That and the fact that i have an "uncomfy" feeling with guys (dated 2 boys in my teenage and always felt "uncomfy", also dicks scare me irl) but isn't there when i'm with another girl (am still nervous but not in a stomach churning way like i experiment with boys, i can kiss them without feeling bad,it's comfy,…)

I really really feel you, I used to like boys and be attracted to them in my childhood/early teenage years even though i always had a little thing for girls, but now i just hate them for the most part (don't get me wrong, i got two really cool dudes in my friends)
Sometimes I even wonder if i became only able to imagine my future with another girl just because of how i can't trust guys at all due to my many bad experiences (i only dated two but met loads of them,tried to make friends,and 99% were shit,just wanted to fuck or something like that).
/autistic blogpost

No. 207620

>>207612
I feel exactly the same, down to every single letter. I hate saying this, but I used to be one of the guys and the way they sometimes talked about their girlfriends made me sick. I don't even want to recall things they said about their exgfs.
The thing is that they don't think of their actions or words as bad, they justify them or go over some heavy mental gymnastics to make what they say or do completely harmless ("Don't be so emotional lol"). But if it were reversed they'd be singing a different tune for sure. I'm pretty certain that there are good men somewhere on this planet, but I don't intend to take any chances. I've seen even the good and quiet type turn violent for whatever reason.

Now that's just irl experience with men where they put a modest effort into appearing civilized.

> Instead of "oh i gotta put up with this brainless worthless cunt if i want to stick my dick in it."


Yeah, I think this sums up their thoughts about women nicely.

No. 207623

>>207606
yeah, there are some girls like eliza who posted nudes and masturbated on cam since they were 14, R9K harassed her and hell and back, never leaves her alone about it, and constantly talks about it, not to mention marky being underaged as well as ilay, crispy, and marky


all these girls are either ~famous~ because they went on 4chan when they were younger and wanted to get famous, or they were some poor girls r9k wanted to stalk and troll
the newest one was agatha/threemilk
I feel really bad for her, she was 17 and just wanted to post normal asmr/cooking/singing videos to lolcow or post vlogs, she gets harassed by them for being a jew, autisitc and a lesbian but they still go for her because she is qt, she's 18 now but r9k started obsessing over her when she was 15 or 16, like they do what most the girls they stalk and obsess over, katya even left the internet for a bit because she was getting stalked by neckbeards

No. 207624

>>207623
eliza isn't being roped into anything though, she's a junkie who likes attention and manipulating the people who contact her on there.

What they're doing to Agatha though is really sad.

No. 207626

>>207618
>>207620
Thanks guys, it's nice to know I'm not 'crazy' or just making shit up. It still makes me sad whenever a man I respect and think is 'different' reveals his true self, but I'm starting to kind of get over it and just accept it. If I ever wanted sex or a relationship, it would just be something I would have to compartmentalize from the rest of their personality and put up with. But to be honest with the amount of terrible men I've met lately being alone for all eternity isn't looking too bad right now lmao. I would definitely be more sane and peaceful that way.

No. 207627

>>207592
men aren't harassed, called worthless, disrespected, treated awfully, rejected for not being muscular, they get treated poorly by their romantic partners they don't have big muscles, men can't post a normal clothed photo of them on social media and be mocked, laughed at, and ridiculed unless he was super skinny and calling himself swole or some dumb shit , 99% of the time it's always men making fun of other men for not being muscular, and it's just the asshole meatheads that no one likes, not actual women since women date a vast majority of body types as well as some of the most good looking men not being some gym rat



muscle are very different from what women have to encounter, if the man is stable enough and wants to be attractive, all he needs to eat a lot of protein and work out and lift, in a few months he will meet most peoples standards for a hot ass body, the only standards he won't meet is from gym douches who think any body that is less than looking a certain way is shitty


for women it's like "be small and petite, not like that though, have wide hips and a big butt and big boobs the butt can't be saggy though, tone it up but make sure your thighs don't get too big, have big boobs, but don't have them saggy because that's gross, if you have acne why do you even try? just give up if you have acne, have big lips, not too big though, and big eyes with big eyelashes, okay being plus sized is hot too, but only if you have big boobs and a big butt"
etc etc
men beg to see womens bodies, but only for them to judge and rant over small flaws

since plastic surgery is seen as ugly by most men, it's completely unfair that they will fanboy over girl's who've had it, expect girls to look that way but still don't want them to get surgery, when have you ever seen girls who want guys to be natural when it comes to building muscle but fap to steroid users? most girls tend to be unattracted to steroid users if anything as well as the overly buff look

No. 207629

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>>207618
I really feel the same, just in the recent year I realized I might be a lesbian, since I have been avoiding any intimate or just relationship with guys all the time, while being intimate with a girl before and not feeling too bad about it.
Yet I'm sometimes afraid it might be biased because of both my 48yo dad cheating on my mom with some 20yo girls for many years (now when they're divorced he's 53yo and got a 30yo wife) and a horny 12yo guy who was manipulating 7yo me into fugging me, which ended with just molesting..
I wished I could be more confident about liking girls but I'm from eastern part of Europe, where it's not too easy with this stuff.

No. 207632

>>207626
No, thank you! You worded my thoughts precisely and the experience is quite the same.

To add, I don't look at the world black and white, I'm aware that there are some bad and psychopathic women out there too, but let us be honest here, most of us are more comfortable seeing a woman during the night on the streets than having a man anywhere near. I can speak for myself that even though I don't really go out during the night and live in a low crime rate city, I still had a number of frightening experience with men, from stalking to harassment and death threats for not returning advances.

No. 207634

>>207592
This is the dumbest post I've ever read
Seriously, fuck off

No. 207635

>>207560
>her mouth called big by other youtubers though such as the amazing atheist
The Amazing Atheist is a retard that tries to start shit with everyone regardless of their sex, I would point you towards his Harmful Opinions video. The dude can't argue for shit so he grasps for straws consistently. I don't think a jackass no one likes outside of his fan club is a good example.

>>207576
You really seem to want me to be a robot, when I'm more or less indifferent to what a woman does as long as it hurts no one. Which is the opposite of what defines /r9k/, broadly speaking. I do find it curious that you seem to be really invested in the idea that men NEVER get pressured.

No. 207636

>>207635
I never said men never get pressured, I acknowledged they get pressured, just not as much or as harshly as women do

No. 207637

>>207636
>>207635
Men deserve and need to be pressured to fill their role in society. Any guy who whines about is just a faggot-ass pansy.

No. 207649

>>207598
What concerns me isn't that it's fuckboys, it seems to be most guys I know. Even my boyfriend's dad, who's in his fifties and married, makes comments about women with body hair/short hair/tattoos/whatever else he doesn't find attractive and I just think why does he think his opinions about how sexy a woman is/isn't are worth voicing…

No. 207656

>>207649
Men really want to make sure we ALWAYS know if they consider us fuckable in their eyes or not. They don't seem to grasp the fact that we never asked and most of the time, don't even care. I've had coworkers make comments to me and it just leaves me speechless. I'm here to do my job and survive. You mean nothing to me. And, honestly I've found that the men most critical of women's looks also happen to be incredibly unattractive themselves.

At this point unless you look like Jude Law circa 2003 I don't give a fuck what you think of my haircut or whether I'm too skinny/fat/not toned enough. Better make sure you're perfect before you think you're in a place to talk shit. Men always talk about how women are full of themselves and think they're so special but I find the opposite to be true. Most of the women I know sell themselves short and think they're uglier/dumber/less capable than they actually are. Most of the men I know over inflate their attractiveness and worth. It's actually kind of funny.

No. 207657

>>207656
pretty much, it's like they think women's world revolves around them, they've been treated like special snowflakes with society and put on a pedestal and justify them always bashing a woman for features they don't like as if society loves women and hates men, it just makes no sense

No. 207662

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>>207629
Oh anon, I have a (also gay) friend from the same place as you. Thankfully she's very feminine (as for me i'm lucky to be in a majorly gay friendly country, and i also am very feminine so nobody notices it because they still believe that lesbians are all tomboys or bulldykes ).
Hope you'll find a gf and nothing will happen to you there, stay safe.

No. 207664

Don't any of you have any positive male figures in your lives?

No. 207665

>>207656
There's nothing men hate more than their dating pool shrinking. When a woman removes herself from it by rejecting him, not being attractive enough, not being his type in any way, he resents and blames her for it. For women, the idea of 'plenty of fish in the sea' is true, we all know that if a guy doesn't meet our standards, it's no big deal. We'll just find someone who does instead of taking personal offense at those who don't. But entitled manbabies can't handle that, 'another' fish is not good enough. They want all fish available to them, and any who aren't make them angry and hateful.

No. 207667


No. 207668

>>207664
>believing a male could be positive

No. 207697

>>207612

Very well put. This is similar to my experience. It was never a goal of mine to hate men. I had platonic friendships with boys in school and viewed quite a few of the adult men I saw around town admirably. Slowly, my positive views were chipped away piece by piece. When my father cheated on my mother with a woman 24 years younger that led to her divorcing him after he wouldn’t stop, I then thought “that’s just him and his personal problems, I’m sure I’ll find someone else who’ll be kind”. While I was dating, the different boyfriends I had would frequently make comments insulting women or their bodies. One remarked “nearly every woman I’ve met has been retarded and childish, but not you”. This was supposed to be a compliment. I tried dating men with widely different personalities, jobs, and interests from one another in case the problems were from sticking to one type. I was disrespected and taken advantage of again and again. I made honest attempts to learn about the interests of the various boyfriends I had, think of fun things to do that they’d like, and wrote nice birthday messages about everything I loved about them. I received little in return. It’s like they thought I was only there to serve them. Each time I thought “this is one guy with problems. There are many others I can date.” Then that one guy turned into two, then three, then four, and you get the rest.

It makes me depressed because I’d love to have a family, but I don’t want to be constantly questioning what my husband really thinks of women or have him openly disparage me. Not even the joy of raising children and continuing my family for another generation is worth sharing a house with someone who sees women as stupid and worthless.

No. 207718

>>207664
My two brothers and a friend or two.
My dad can be an asshole and has anger issues but i still love my pops

No. 207737

>>207381

>OT but why does he only make fun of black girls with acne? he does know black guys get acne just as much lmao


that's what we call a coon(racebaiting)

No. 207758

>>207664
My dad was an incredibly admirable, hardworking man who I loved dearly up until he died. I miss him every day.

Virtually every other man in my life has been on some level of garbage and I'm convinced my husband is formerly garbage.

No. 207759

>>207624
>>207624
agreed, r9k is the human embodiments of "IF A BOY IS MEAN TO YOU IT MEANS HE LIKES YOU!!!!"
then wonder why they dont have girlfriends and have to stalk poor girls on the internet

No. 207764

>>207664
My father, my brother, my husband, some cousins, friends.

What exactly is your point? Robot got mad eh?

No. 207766

>>207758
>I'm convinced my husband is formerly garbage.
That's a nice way to talk about your husband. I'm sure he's glad you graced him with your benevolence.

No. 207783

>>207766
Formerly, not current.
I wasn't exactly a gem in the past either, but we've matured together.

No. 207785

>>207758
>I'm convinced my husband is formerly garbage.
So what, he was immature and grew up? Sounds like a standard affair.

No. 207796

>>207785
Ummmm… people can't grow up!

No. 207802

>>207697
Oh anon, know that feel. I want someone kind, who would view me and women in general as equals. I've only met one person like that (my father) thorough my entire life! I haven't dated around much, admittedly I only got to a certain point with one person. He was self-proclaimed "nice guy" but in the end he was just sex-obsessed weirdoo who started to drop vile comments without any thought.

It's wrong to generalize but I feel like there are little to no men who are not perverted/cold/agressive.

No. 207825

>>207612
>>207618
>>207620
I don't think being two faced is particularly limited to gender. One difference there does seem to be though is that men always want sex. They might like or hate the woman but they'll always want sex with her if she's at least vaguely attractive.

So it's not that they're just shit to the women they're with by default, some men really love their gfs, but just that liking the girl is purely optional.

No. 207831

>>207785
He was a specific kind of immature. The type of guy that spent a little too much time on 4chan and would talk to girls like he was still an anon. Not a robot, but definitely mildly /b/tarded.

I trained it out of him.

No. 207836

>>207664
Dad, my two brothers, a couple of friends. I still don't respect male strangers as much as female strangers.

No. 207841

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>>207831
>The type of guy that spent a little too much time on 4chan and would talk to girls like he was still an anon. Not a robot, but definitely mildly /b/tarded.
Kind of wondering how you two even became a thing to begin with.

>I trained it out of him.

Ehhh

No. 207857

>>207831
How long did it take you and how did you do it?

No. 207862

>>207857
A couple of years (we've been together for many) and I just told him how his stupid behaviors made me feel. I would also sit back and let him make a fool of himself in front of my less-than-internet savvy friends. I never defended him from people who clashed with him or acted like a hugbox when he made a fool of himself or made things awkward. I held him accountable for the impressions people had about him based off of his tryhard behavior. Over time he stopped acting up. He also dropped his 4chan friends, one of which was a creeper hapa who had a legit attraction towards his preteen cousin and drew porn of her.

So yeah, I trained it out of him by not enabling it.

No. 207885

>>207862
Sounds like he grew a lot as a person too, and was willing to do that, rather than just being trained. I hope you guys are happy together

It's nice to hear about guys growing out of it, I've only ever heard girls confess that they have beaten 4chan behavior

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um, lmao? i can't believe this thread exists. like that so many girls could be bewildered about men being attracted to young women? Like what kind of tv shows did you grow up on? This is the attractiveness normal, non-pedo men rate pictures of women if you don't tell them their age. Always been this way, always will.

No. 207896

>>207885
I know 2 guys who browse 4Chan, both sound. One of them I dated for 5 years (I didn't know he browses there until several months into the relationship), the other one I'm dating now. They're horrible shut-ins and former NEETs though, but I just mesh well with that type of personality since I used to be one myself. Oddly enough I recovered and became so ambitious to a point where they didn't want to be left behind and now they're both studying, working and are relatively normal, albeit introverted. I'm still friends with my ex and he's a surprisingly level headed guy.

I've met many surprisingly mature people through various 4ch discords, all lovely. Usually they're gamers or have some sort of manageable mental illness.

No. 207897

>>207895
>Starts declining at 14

Fucking hell, this is depressing stuff.

No. 207898

>>207895
>almost 75% at 12 and over 30% at 11
This chart better be fake or I want to fucking kill myself. Men are sick.

No. 207900

>>207895
>non pedo and normal
>finding little girls attractive


Choose one

No. 207901

>>207895
Also need more detail in the study, sounds like some pedo agenda, they probably used girls that naturally look older at 14 or with better facial features then used unattractive girls at higher ages and said "HA SEE MEN ARENT PEDOS ITS PERFECTLY NORMAL TO WANT TO FUCK GIRLS WHO PROBABLY HAVENT GOT THEIR PERIOD YET!!!!"



Anywho, multiple studies have been on this, the best, fertile and most attractive age for women is in their early 20s, this isnt nothing new however in certain cultures that value womanlyness, not wanting little girls to fuck, pedophilia is low there, and girls dont reach their peak when they're still developing and go downhill…as theyre still going though puberty, if this study was done in someplace like italy or greece then the age of sexual attraction would be 20-30, if this was done in Japan which i wouldnt be surprised if it was, the age of attractiveness would be of course 9-14, all if the men didnt know tbeir age because of how much they find looking like a literal child attractive, just because this graph says its popular, doesnt make it not pedophila, there NEEDS to be attention called to this because its clearly showing a slipperly slope as well as telling little girls that their peak and most sexually attractive years are now and its all downhill from there

No. 207909

>>207895
lol

In reality, anyone can find someone who's attracted to them. You get a special kind of desperate half psychopathic lust towards women in her early 20s which gradually trails off as she ages for various reasons. Still, unless you feel that you need to be drooled at every time you walk down the street, no one should have anything to worry about.

No. 207911

>>207895
any source on this?

No. 207912

>>207911
there was this

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/10/15/relationshipstrategies/myth-plummeting-female-sexual-market-value/


I searched it and just found 4chan shit and bodybuilding forums stuff, in all reality this was probably some made up graph or what >>207901 said

or they used prisoners, if so that would make sense why these "men" find 10 yr olds more sexually attractive than 39 yr old women

No. 207915

Aren't most "hot" celebrities generally between mid twenties to mid thirties?

No. 207917

>>207915
they're "hot" because they're celebrities more than anything. you've had time to see them a lot

No. 207923

>>207909
> You get a special kind of desperate half psychopathic lust towards women in her early 20s

This! I don't get why some women want this at all. The lust you get from horny men is scary. They're most aggressive and keen on getting in your pants. Not like it completely disappears after reaching 30 from mine observation.

Am I really the only one that's looking forward to becoming a cat lady? I just want a quiet single life with a few silent feline companions.

No. 207937

>>207915
They also need time to train to be a good presenter. idk there are a lots of variables.

No. 207938

>>207923
My mum (no jokes plz) in her 60s still gets ridiculous levels of attention from men if she shows them any interest. If you want people to chase you, you can have it at any age.

No. 207949

>>207923
>Am I really the only one that's looking forward to becoming a cat lady?

Dude, same. I don't understand why "cat lady" is used as such an insult, or men seem to act like it's the worst possible thing that a woman could end up being. I value peace and quiet so much that I can't think of anything better. In the "manosphere", especially in MGTOW or conservative spaces, they constantly talk about how women are going to end up as cat ladies like we're all going to be suicidal because of it. It's like a revenge fantasy they have.

Every time I read something like that I'm just like….yeah that sounds great to me!

No. 207958

>>207949
you know, mgtow movements are literally the male equivalent of "cat ladies", but to them it's being stoic and self-sufficient. if a woman does it, it's weird and defective. i wonder if they're so bitter because some women can get on by fine without men in their life while they're still lusting after women.

No. 207963

>>207938
Same, actually. She's in her mid 60s (looks like she's in her 40s) and gets all sorts of attention from men almost every time I go out with her. It's convinced me that men are always subconsciously looking for either a fuckpet or a sexy mom who will spoil them.

No. 207964

>>207949
they claim how they all wanna go their own way and how they don't need women despite them being whiney little babies when they can't get their dick wet yet when a woman comes to the realization most men are trash and she's happier staying alone by herself they throw a fit and act as if it affects them, whats even funnier is when they act as if "going their own way" affects women negatively when women get pissed that so many men are making gross statements like "ALL WOMEN ARE GOLD DIGGING ROASTIE WHORES!!!RAPE ALL WOMEN" as if women were upset they didn't get some losers dick rather than the actual statement



I'd give anything to have my own cute little alone life, with some free flying birds, butterflies and bees in a big garden, cooking, sewing, knitting, eating whatever I want, reading and writing poetry, practicing my religion and having my own business and most of all, no men

No. 207967

>r9k sees the worst of women
>farmers see the worst of them

Different sides of the same coin, literally.

No. 207968

>>207967
the difference is we don't find, stalk, and rape men, we're just giving incels a taste of their own medicine

No. 207969

>>207968

Most men don't either, stop living the life through internet.

No. 207970

>>207964
I feel all of this. I actually think it's cool when men (or women) go their own way, but only as long as they actually GO. I think "going your own way" can be healthy and peaceful.

No. 207971

>>207969
>compares us to incels
>say the difference between farmers and incels
"most men don't either stop living through the internet"
k

No. 207972

>>207970
agreed, it's just the mgtows "go their own way" just because they think all women are roastie gold digging whores who are go gonna accuse them of rape and leave them then take all their money, and since incels and mgtows are connected they often complain how no women want them so they're not really "going their own way" rather they're just being annoying

No. 207974

>>207971

>robots think all women are chad lusting whores

>everyone in this thread thinks all incels/men are pedophiliac rapists

I see no difference tbh

No. 207975

>>207974
no ones calling all men pedophile rapists, just robots because well they are, they're the ones stalking, harassing, and obsessing over underage girls, they're the ones obsessed with loli and child porn, incels are the ones literally posting and bragging about their rape charges, threatening to rape women, bragging about fapping to women being afraid, and we think it's gross that they do that, even the few crazy feminazis in this thread are more about distancing themselves from men rather than talking about wanting to go around raping teenage boys and harassing them



even the worst of this thread is nothing compared to the lightest incels do, you sound like a bot yourself

No. 207977

>>207974
>wanting to fuck attractive people is equal to wanting to rape children
You really don't see the difference?

No. 208015

>>207975
>no ones calling all men pedophile rapists
There have been numerous posts in this thread claiming basically that. The OKC ideal age graph earlier is a good example, with women just assuming their SO will lose interest in them after their 20s and how they'll never get married to avoid that risk.

Now sure the point that they're far less aggressive and violent than incels is a completely fair one (although I still look back at the feminist bookstore fights fondly), but the fact is they both have really stupid ideas and concerns about the opposite sex.

>you sound like a bot yourself

The guy was blatantly disparaging r9k so you assume he's from r9k?

No. 208017

>>208015
>>208015
>There have been numerous posts in this thread claiming basically that. The OKC ideal age graph earlier is a good example, with women just assuming their SO will lose interest in them after their 20s and how they'll never get married to avoid that risk.


the map didn't make men pedophile rapists, no one said men were pedo rapists because of the OKC graph, however they said the men (meaning the ones who were in the survey) were shallow, hypocrites and gross
even so, it's a graph, the graph existing itself isnt calling all men pedo rapists, and women wanting to go their own way isnt calling anyone pedo rapists, at least women have good reasons instead of going on and on about how all women are gold diggers like MGTOW does, they just don't want to be a bother, and if men don't want them because apparently 24 is too old, women don't want men either, who is hurt? no one


>although I still look back at the feminist bookstore fights fondly

those were batshit crazy feminists fighting other woman, not bragging about raping men, thats like saying incels fighting each other have a point


>but the fact is they both have really stupid ideas and concerns about the opposite sex.


not really, no one is saying ALL MEN and assaulting men, they just point out shitty trends along most men and choose to be by themselves, which is fine since it's so widely spread against men and the trends that r9k hates women for, isn't as widely spread as what the reasons women here hate men for, since r9k are the pedophiles who want to rape and assault women

>The guy was blatantly disparaging r9k so you assume he's from r9k?

wow he insulted a site, that must mean 100% he wasn't a robot at all, ffs are you a newfag? bots come in pretending to be all sorts of people

No. 208022

>>208017
>no one said men were pedo rapists because of the OKC graph
There were posts claiming that the age would be even lower if it was acceptable and yada yada. It was reaching some pretty absurd levels.

>those were batshit crazy feminists fighting other woman

Women fighting women over men pretending to be women mind you.

> no one is saying ALL MEN

Literally two posts under the okc graph someone is talking about how all men disgust them.

No. 208023

>>208022
>There were posts claiming that the age would be even lower if it was acceptable and yada yada. It was reaching some pretty absurd levels.

they weren't wrong, considering there was a graph posted later that said the age with most sexual attraction was 14, they made a pretty accurate statement so not sure how it's absurd

>Women fighting women over men pretending to be women mind you.

so feminists fighting other feminists, your point? people in all the same groups fight with each other all the time, there is no point to make

>Literally two posts under the okc graph someone is talking about how all men disgust them.


okay lets see them

>>202456
>>202457
wow only one person raging, you sure proved to me incels and farmers are alike, meanwhile almost every incel post is about all women and how they wanna rape and beat them up

No. 208071

>>208023
did you miss the entire rest of the thread? even the OP is blanket statements. honestly, i think this thread is shit and most of the posts ITT are whining about how men like women in their 20s and they only bring up younger ages when trying to defend themselves. i get that incels do that to women but then either we just admit it or we stop. i don't agree it's the same as incels, but most people are just whining and making assumptions in very similar ways. and no, being a pedo is not the same, but most people aren't even talking about being pedo anymore.

this thread should have had more discussion about the media trying to force the sexualization of children and why some people think this crap is okay in the first place. but instead it's just a bunch of seemingly whining about how they're disgusted that men only like looks.

No. 208072

>>208071
go back to r9k robot

No. 208074

>>208072
>gets called a robot for pointing out most people ITT are actually just blanket statements
>explicitly stated i wanted to have a real discussion about something worthwhile like how the media is fucking disgusting and portrays teenagers as sex objects

okay sis, whatever you say

No. 208116

>>208071
>complains this isnt about sexualization of children
>OP was literally talking about sexualiation of children and how her bfs friends wanted to fuck 13 yr olds
Yes please tell me how its not but big bad jelly oldies complaining that men like younger women


Also, in the thread was derailed a few times because people were discussing how awful women get treated if they aren't pretty, its not "waaaahhh men only want young pretty 20 yr olds" its that we find it gross how awful women get treated if they're unattractive as well as how obsessed men are with teens, you just sound like a robot who sees that when women call out the bullshit they have to face its just them ranting about how guys only like looks and men only want girls in their 20s

No. 208118

>>208074
>the real discussion has been discussed throughout the thread but you pretend like it doesn't just to dismiss the thread as nothing but a bunch of oldies complaining about how men want teens
>says theres a blanket statement and acts as if sexualiation of teens were never discussed despite OP giving examples and have it discussed throughout the thread
>point out the hypocrisy of mens standards is jealous oldies and we're nothing but big bad feminists who are mad
>point out how awfully men act for womens flaws, but nope its just us whining apparantly
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No. 211312

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>HANNITY: At that time in your life…Let me ask you this you do remember these girls would it be unusual for you as a 32 year old guy to have dated a woman as young as 17? That would be a 15 year difference or a girl 18. Do you remember dating girls that young at that time?

>MOORE: Not generally, no. If did, you know, I'm not going to dispute anything but I don't remember anything like that.

No. 211348

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>men

No. 211449

>>211348
where the fuck is this from? i wanna watch it

No. 211458

>>207895
most 14 year olds still look like kids, this better be fake

No. 211459

>>211458
It's not. The vast majority of men are pedophiles, they just bottle it up at the least.
Look on any male forum or imageboard where men aren't concerned about being policed, they all obsess over young women and 14 yr olds are not a stretch for them.

No. 211464

My oh my do I have a thread for you guys! I'll be cooking up a thread, but the OP might take some time, I think it might even be /PT worthy. I'll try to have it ready by tomorrow. CWC tier crazy old man who wrote a "book" about a teenage "good christian" girl who amongst other things gets fucked by a fox from space. It's fucking ridiculous. I'll check back when it's ready.

No. 211477

>>211459
That's really depressing tbh. I wish I was a lesbian.

No. 211488

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I'm dating someone who seems to like me primarily because I look like a 14 year old though I'm an adult. I'm constantly being treated as a 14 year old either way either by him or my parents or anyone I meet because it's hard for them to wrap their head around the fact that I'm actually an adult.
There's a point where I get sick of my bf trying to push the ddlg fetish onto me and I feel bitter and alone since no one takes me seriously but there's nothing I can do about it since my family set me off to marry him.
I constantly have to be guarded by my parents at restaurants (in Hollywood, keep in mind) because of rich drunk middle-aged men who might try to come up to me and flirt with me if I'm left alone.
There's nothing you can do about the way men think but try to avoid them as much as you can I guess.

No. 211492

>>211488
Man, dump him, anon. He sounds like absolute pedophile garbage. I'd never date someone specifically into ageplay because they seem so likely to go for kids, possibly even your future children.

Also on the topic of Hollywood, that's a pedophile nest and you should look up some of the scandals. I think if you lived in a healthier environment, you wouldn't get these types and you wouldn't just think "oh that's just guys". Don't accept pedophile behavior from anyone.

On that topic, what do you all think of the pedophile accusations in Hollywood right now, from people like Corey Feldman? There isn't just a history of it with underage girls, but underage boys as well.

No. 211496

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>>211492
I was raised into this life where the woman has to be submissive to the male. My father wouldn't let me go to college because he said college shouldn't be wasted on women because they're not intelligent enough.
If I were to dump him, I would be scolded for screwing everything up and I have tried once before.
I figured the best way out would be to end this life which I figure I'll get to when I have enough for a good gun.

I do want to make a note: People shouldn't consider all guys pedophiles. I've met a few guys who have gotten very excited over older women because they considered their maturity a foil to their own immaturity. But for men who spend too much time on the internet and only get a glimpse of a person through their appearances through photos, they would choose whichever seems the most flawless (lacking wrinkles, sunspots, etc.) and those tend to be younger people.

I was constantly being spammed with shit about this dancer named Jojo who seems to be a big pedobait right now where people have tried to stalk here and even held a poll where she received top-place over a bunch of adults, receiving backlash from a lot of concerned women in comments claiming that whoever keeps voting a 14 year old for the hottest woman in the list was sick, etc. etc. My biggest concern was why I kept being spammed with her shit on my pinterest to the point where I had to delete it because blocking it wasn't working.

No. 211497

>>211464
eagerly awaiting this

No. 211500

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>>211477
just get a dog, fam

>tfw glad I'm into women and also completely fine living alone with a couple of dogs

No. 211573

>>211496

Hey anon, it sounds like things are tough on you right now. You mentioned Hollywood. Are you living in SoCal? I do as well. I'm not sure your parents would like me at all because I'm a college girl studying computers, but I want to help you it at least be your friend. You're being treated wrongly and like a child and don't deserve it, especially since you're articulate enough to speak on it (so much for us women being "stupid" huh)

No. 211595

Knowing how much men are attracted to girls under 18 makes me feel disgusted and angry. I wonder if I would ever get a boyfriend who isn't a sick fuck. It seems so rare now…

No. 212169

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>>207325
something really urks me about people who put so much effort into openly judging womens bodies, sometimes it feels like men don't even want to see womens bodies for sexual reasons, it feels like the beg to see them so they can judge them and look for flaws, not to sound like that person or anything but I've been hiding myself so much and avoiding most men, saving myself, etc etc, but I'm always terrified the one guy I wait and give myself to won't undress me and fuck me and enjoy it because of the chemistry and passion, they'll just do it so I can just be another woman in the collection of bodies they judge, hell even on most apps men beg for nudes just so they can rate or judge them, people nowadays just made everything about judging bodies just let people have fun with themselves ffs, even if a girl doesn't have that perfect kim k body who the hell feels the need to remember it, until they get home, and then make an entire fucking post about how they saw a girl with no ass at kroger? like the fuck?

No. 212170

>>212169
most of these kinds of posts/comments are from other insecure women.

No. 212171

>>212169
Are you saying the Whisper post you're linking to is an example of anything? It seems like it could come from either a man or woman to me.

No. 212172

>>212170
rarely tbh, and the profile that posted that was a dude, I should've screenshotted their username

No. 212174

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>>212171
>>212170
"fort wayne"
that doesn't sound like a woman to me, it's always men who say shit like this though, when women insult other womens bodies they're more serious and state it more blankly

No. 212209

>>212169
Agreed with all points.

The only people who ever bullied me for my looks were men. And they did it mercilessly, to the point I wanted to kill myself. I don't disbelieve people who say women are catty and evil to each other, but it just simply hasn't been my experience. I've never had problems with other women, whereas most of the men I've met have been absolutely cruel and I tend to avoid them all because of that.

I don't think I could ever have sex or enter a relationship knowing what I know now, even if the opportunity arose. Most of it is my own frail self image and fearing what the man in question would do and say, but also men just seem to flat out hate women and their bodies, with the exception for the few minutes where they are fucking them. Period. It's sort of depressing but I'm also glad that I know what they really think so I don't waste my time believing that men can actually love women and put faith in my relationships with them.

No. 212211

>>212209
I mean I don't doubt women are catty, but when women insult it's more of a "oooo your tits are flat" and they move on with their day, when men insult they take it so personally and go to great lengths with insulting women, the fact a man was so bothered by a girl with a small butt to the point where he even made a damn post about it when he got home telling women not to wear if their ass isn't big enough for him, they're so entitled, and it's even funnier because it's always the ugly ones, there's a literal guy out there who took the time to write the gabbie show a fucking letter and sent it to a bunch of different people because her nose is big, people on here can be nitpicky towards flakes and cows looks but no one would go to great lengths and take entire new levels over a womans damn looks, how many times has a man ever been harassed to such lengths despite there being a fuck ton of men out there?

>I don't think I could ever have sex or enter a relationship knowing what I know now, even if the opportunity arose. Most of it is my own frail self image and fearing what the man in question would do and say, but also men just seem to flat out hate women and their bodies, with the exception for the few minutes where they are fucking them. Period. It's sort of depressing but I'm also glad that I know what they really think so I don't waste my time believing that men can actually love women and put faith in my relationships with them.


I agree with you 100% anon, not even men in the 50s were this damn judgemental towards womens bodies now, especially towards women they love

No. 212278

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>>203240
Yeah, I don't browse 4chan in particular cause of all the normalfags these days, but I'm a nice, self-sufficient, attractive man with almost no material attachments and absolutely no vices like drugs or "teen pussy" as you guys are talking about (a transcendentalist I guess, best way to describe it without going into too much detail). Though I've never had a guy before cause everyone I know in person are really vapid and whoreish, I just wanted a loyal girl who shared my interests, isn't filled to the brim with mental disorders and baggage, and could cultivate intimacy with me, but so far all I've seen are girls who just smoke weed and fuck, or alternatively "nerdy" girls who try to emasculate me and shill open relationships do they can basically leech off me while they fuck chads. I used to go on /r9k/ until I found my goals and purpose, and I'll admit I don't know much about women outside of the slut white-trash in my hometown, and the mindless normalfags /r9k/ told me about, but I try to keep faith that there's a girl like what I want, but honestly, it's hard when all you see are terrible people day-in day-out. Alotta of girls I see say they could only love a man if he's at least 6", well, I'm 5"9 so maybe as /r9k/ would have it you guys will think "Oh lolno I said a man not a subhuman gtfo beta" maybe some will, I honestly don't care whatever, but for any girls that are not materialistic whores, that go against this sick society's non-existent morals and seek something more out of life, there are guys out there who don't just want an endless supply of physically flawless teenage sluts for quick pump-n-dumps, there are guys out there who want higher-love and don't say that just to get pussy even though they're 200ib's obese and morbidly hideous yet want perfect teenage fucks. There's Hope, it's slim, I don't think I'll find my "pure loving waifu", but one of us might, sheer probability. Don't give up on men, dedicate your life to self-improvement and higher ideals, it beats the shit we've been we've been dealt(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 212283

>>212278
lol this post is strong evidence that the answer to that anon's question is "absolutely fucking not." post dick or gtfo.

No. 212287

>>212278
>there are guys out there who want higher-love and don't say that just to get pussy
>he says as he advertises himself as such, hoping, begging for pussy because it the only thing he values

No. 212304

>>212282
>Why r guys always just write me off as le ebil slut?
>lol benis or gtfo
n I ¢ e(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 212305

>>212287
>Sour grapesing this much

No. 212311

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>>212283
Actually I'm still a virgin so I wouldn't know, I've been saving it for the right girl and I've just never found her

No. 212313

>>212311
>Alotta of girls I see say they could only love a man if he's at least 6", well, I'm 5"9 so maybe as /r9k/ would have it you guys will think "Oh lolno I said a man not a subhuman gtfo beta" maybe some will, I honestly don't care whatever, but for any girls that are not materialistic whores, that go against this sick society's non-existent morals and seek something more out of life


maybe because the good, pure, virgin girls want someone who doesn't sprout this autistic shit like they never went outside and only took incels word for women

No. 212314


No. 212323

>>212304
Are you daft? I just want you to fuck off instead of posting all this embarassing bullshit.

No. 212324

>>212311
and you probably never will

No. 212326

>>212311
>>212278
Kill yourself and stream it you disgusting wretch

No. 212706

>>202478

>but I just don't want to bother with makeup, dying my hair or staying in shape. I'm useless and gross if I can't be some sexual novelty.


You've got every right to feel that way, and if you did have the right man who loved you properly this would be fine for you… but to be fair life is not fair, and not just women but everyone begins to hit the wall around that age, if your problems stem from your perceived attractiveness then really you have no choice but to work on those things you listed, or like you say just stop giving a fuck, but I don't know there's no really to blame for it, isn't it just human nature to be more attracted to better looking people? If you're getting old it makes sense that your partner's eye will start to wander, it's not a right, you have to be lucky to pick a good enough person.

No. 212707

>>202561

whose fault is that though?

No. 212712

>>211488
girl, break up with him. he is not worth it. imagine if you're with him when you're 35 and don't look like a teen anymore. he probably won't have any respect for you.

No. 212713

majority of men are disgusting. i am so happy that i am bisexual so i can just opt out.

No. 212718

>>202410
Men are (generally) wired attracted to youthfulness and sexual maturity. Teenagers are the ultimate intersection of sexual maturity and youthfulness, as they have just finished developing the features that make them physically an adult woman while still being and looking quite young. Men with morals wouldn't have sex with a teen (assuming they're older, anyway), but the innate attraction will usually still be there. In the age of the internet, very sexualized media and sexual openness this preference is brought into the light more than it might have been before. Case closed it's not that complicated.

No. 212725

>>212718
This is more about how childlikeness is being sexualized rather than sexual maturity and youth



Also jfk aren't women biologically supposed to like hairy strong men yet you don't see women going around demanding all men be strong,bashing them if they don't, then act as if a man is ruined and useless if he isnt strong

No. 212726

>>212718
We don't live in the stone age, so this does not excuse their filthy behaviour.

No. 212757

>>212726
>implying we've evolved enough as society
kek

No. 212772

>>212707
Gee, anon, between an old dude who knows better or an immature teenager who was never in a real relationship? I really don't know who's at fault here.

No. 212790

>>212772
not that anon, but imo its the old dude.

No. 212794

>>212790
…that anon was obviously being sarcastic. like, of course it's his fault.

No. 212827

Just now i had a little 'fight' with my parents: i read that Mick Jagger (who's 74) has a new girlfriend who's only 22 yo(!)

My parents are fans of him and soi said, that just because she's no longer a minor doesn't mean this is any less fucked up! There's something seriously wrong with him; old ich women would never do something like that!
Plus does anybody really think a grandpa can tell the difference between a teenager and somebody in her early twenties? He could as well go for somebody even younger…

My parents meant that it's her fault for throwing herself at him, but shouldn't he be the more mature one and reject her…?!

Sorry for the vent, but as somebody who's that age as well, this enrages me to no end

No. 212828

>>212827
>old ich women would never do something like that!
I'm sorry to tell you that women do this too.

It's the public reaction that differs massively. A guy does that nobody bats an eyelash, at most they think he's some badass desirable guy, "good for him". A woman does this and nobody leaves her alone, she's criticized nonstop and seen as pathetic and desperate because how dare she think she deserves a young guy, he's obviously with her for the money, he must be cheating, etc.

No. 212832

>>212828
No, definatly not to that extent and that often as we see it especially in Hollywood; there might be couples with an age difference but than maybe between a 50 yo woman and a guy in his mid-thirties…

No. 212834

>>212827
He's a rich celebrity, so they have a point. He's at an age where he could crumble into dust at any moment and if she plays her cards right she's set for life.

No. 212835

>>212832
lol no. stop defending women.

No. 212842

>>212835
Give me an example there difference is over 50 years as well

No. 212907

>>212885
but the anon i'm replying to is suggesting it -doesn't- happen.

No. 212921

>>212907
Nayrt, but not really. They said "not to that extent," (which is true) not "it never happens ever."

No. 213008

>>212921
I took "not to that extent" to mean age difference, since she follows up with 20 year differences as an example.

No. 213051

>>212174
Fort Wayne is a major city in Indiana

If someone from New York City posted that, you won't say it's a he or she

No. 213060

>>212725
>Also jfk aren't women biologically supposed to like hairy strong men (?)
Biologically, a woman's attraction is more geared towards non-physical things. So while an attractive appearance is preferred, the highest response is usually garnered from stuff like a high-status job, being admired by people, having a sociable personality, etc.
Of course this is a blanket statement, but if you want to speak about what it's "supposed" to be like, that's it.

It also explains the OkCupid chart in a way. A partner too distant from a woman's own age would lower her status, which is why the most attractive one is always closer to her own, while a man thinking only with his dick will go straight for the 20s.

Besides, there's another aspect that no social construct can change, and that humans are of course wired to react to. The risks connected to pregnancy rise exponentially with the woman's age, while a man's sperm doesn't significantly change in any way throughout his life.
In the end our "wiring" is made to make sure that you leave heirs before dying, it's the obvious conclusion that men would go for whoever is able to make the best offspring, while women would go for whoever is best suited to raising it in a social context.

>>212726
>We don't live in the stone age, so this does not excuse their filthy behaviour.
Please study some elementary school biology before claiming a couple thousand years would be enough time to change ANYTHING in the reproductive instincts of a species.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 213063

>>213060
>Please study some elementary school biology before claiming a couple thousand years would be enough time to change ANYTHING in the reproductive instincts of a species.
Duh you're so smart anon, I absolutely did now know this. On a serious note. Men can least pretend like they arent disgusting and useless.

No. 213064

>>213063
>Men can least pretend like they arent disgusting and useless.
But they do. No matter how much certain posters are trying to act like the internet works like real life, it's not socially acceptable to lust after teens.
Even on online porn or even just normal puctures, you have people constantly going "Uuh, looks underage", because even though it's not a crime to look at a normal, dressed picture of an underage girl, the sentiment of abnormality is so strong that everyone feels guilty even masturbating to that stuff.

Or at least, they would never admit that openly, which is what you were complaining about.
This "it's completely normal to fuck kids" narrative is as delusional as /pol/'s, with whom you amusingly agree wholeheartedly it seems.

This is the case with a lot of arguments around here, but you should look at what you see around you in daily life, and no, the internet doesn't count.

No. 213067

>>213060
>>The risks connected to pregnancy rise exponentially with the woman's age, while a man's sperm doesn't significantly change in any way throughout his life.

This has been proven to be a myth

No. 213073

>>213064
that's because this board is full of nasty bitter women.

No. 213074

>>212827
>just because she's no longer a minor doesn't mean this is any less fucked up!
Care to explain how it is fucked up for two consenting adults to be in a relationship?

No. 213075

>>213067
You'd think that he'd know that after chiding someone for not knowing elementary level biology.

No. 213076

>>213067
This; also the risks of birth defects and complications rise with every year under 20, yet men still use "muh fertility" as an argument to fuck teens.

No. 213083

>>213067
Got any legitimate sources for this claim? I know that after age 40, rate of down's syndrome is like 1 in 100, vs 1 in over 1,000 for younger women.

No. 213084

>>213067
>This has been proven to be a myth
I can find no sources claiming this aside from an opinion piece posted on a blog and a study that says that, while age is not catastrophic, having a child while older is still worse.

A lot of articles also try the "Average birthing age is going up" angle as if it was proof that it's safe, ignoring the accompanying rise in average birth defects.

No. 213085

>>213074

because she's a 22 year old and he's old enough to be her grandfather. It's legal, but it's fucked up because he's still at the advantage with life experience (and money) and can easily manipulate her.

I'd hope most men his age aren't interested in girls who have parents young enough to be their children.

No. 213087

>>213085
22 is old enough to know what you want anon. You're acting like she's fresh outta highschool.

No. 213095

>>213087
22 is still a pretty naive age. You're probably young yourself but, oh boy, 22 is nowhere near being a mature and fully developped adult equipped to deal with someone much older and ahead.
Any significant age gap (10+) is redflag and should be handled very carefully anyway.

No. 213097

>>212718
Basically this, why would men want to be with a woman who's already had several partners and a used up vag when he could be with a nice, small tight girl that is submissive and cute? Girls think the same way as well, they want someone bigger and stronger than guys her age so because they're better at sex. Girls will always want an older guy and guys will always want a younger girl and that's how it always has been and always will be.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 213099

>>213097
>implying gold diggers who date old men who are on the way out are submissive and cute

poor poor robots

No. 213100

>>213060
social evolution, which is the suppression of instinct, isn't the same as physical evolution, anon.

No. 213108

>>213085
I wouldn't say she can be easily manipulated. Being young doesn't mean she's retarded.

She's got a good enough understanding of delayed gratification to date a rich grandpa who's estate is worth more than most could ever make in their life. There might be bad age Gap relationships but this isn't one of them imo

No. 213111


No. 213124

>>213097
did you get rejected by milfs?
it's even funnier cause it's always the ugliest men who are saying this shit, I've honestly never seen an attractive man talk about how they want some smol cute virgin pure girl, not that the smol cute virgin girls would want them anyway, no one saves themselves to give themselves to some asshole

No. 213128

>>213060
actually anon, if you leave your house you'd realize how much importance women put on looks instead of taking incels words on what women are like


anyway, assuming your "women are geared towards non physical things" are true, then where are all the women in real life running around demanding all men to be rich and educated with a good job? it doesn't happen, yet women get bashed if they don't have a fucking nicki minaj ass, and then men wonder why all the ~good pure virgin submissive grls~ are either giving up on saving themselves or going to someone worthwhile

No. 213190

>>213083
NAYRT but I found these with a quick google search https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929275-500-mens-sperm-quality-decreases-at-age-35/
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11396

It's pretty logical if you think about it, though. At first glance, you think age shouldn't be a problem because of the fact that sperm is produced continually - which does mean that it's always "fresh".
But remember: what causes aging? It's mostly DNA decay. Your body produces "lower quality" (so to speak) cells all around, which, of course, includes sperm. However fresh it is, it's still lower quality.

No. 213191

>>213097
Just get a blowup doll and be done with it, dude. You don't want an actual person.

>>213124
In my opinion that's because normal (typically*) attractive men who have something going for them have no reason to be obsessively insecure about a woman having a relationship prior to meeting him. I've known some guys like that and it seems like the insecurity and fear of inadequacy compared to other men. Sure, some men do have a preference for a woman with less sex partners, but to refer to vaginas as 'used up' is some funny shit. And you know they don't apply the same logic to penises. Nah, men can do whatever they want, it's women who must live by these strict rules or else they're ~used up whores~. There is absolutely no gray area to these people, apparently.

It's weird though, because honestly I am a virgin and if I met a guy like that who was really obsessed with my or another woman's virginity (or virginity in general) I would run away. I see it as a major red flag because it usually goes hand in hand with robot-ness. "Submissive" just seems like code for "will let me do and say whatever I want to her and treat her like shit without any protest." It's like it's far beyond preference to them and loops around to pathologic obsession.

*I say typically because I know plenty of "ugly" men who are kind, normal dudes and don't act like our robot pal here.

No. 213192

>>213191
Pretty much, I'm a kissless virgin but I tend to tell men I am not a virgin just to test them, if their love depends on my sexual history (or lack there of) then they don't deserve me. And it honestly makes me worried because one day I am no longer going to be a ~cute smol tight virgin~ or whatever, would my partner still love me then? hence why I don't date guys who demand all women to be small tight submissive virgins, I want to settle down, have kids, etc, and I'm not taking a man who will go chase after the next virgin submissive stacy once I get "too old"

it's funny when these men think that a good pure virgin is some how going to magically date them when the girls they're chasing are just repulsed by them everytime they spew out the "be a small submissive virgin qt!!!" bs

No. 213198

>>213192
Yeah we're completely in the same boat. The way you "test" men actually seems like a good idea. I've only been on a few dates and tend to not offer up any info about me being a virgin or anything like that, because I also fear that men will find it weird (I'm 22 so my situation isn't necessarily the norm.)

>I'm not taking a man who will go chase after the next virgin submissive stacy once I get "too old"

However, I fear that this is most men when all is said and done. My dad did it. All of my friend's dads did it. Most of the guys I know talk about how women after 30 are worthless, so what's stopping them from leaving their wife or girlfriend? Nothing. Honestly puts me off of relationships (though I do maintain a little bit of hope). It just seems like there's no equal ground and women are fucked no matter what. It's scary to think about, but I also realize I'm extremely pessimistic and it's partially just me being an asshole.

>it's funny when these men think that a good pure virgin is some how going to magically date them when the girls they're chasing are just repulsed by them

Also, this. Raging misogynists are going to have a tough time finding any meaningful relationship with a woman, they really can't afford to be so picky and expect a woman to worship the ground they walk on when they won't even see her as her own person. (I know misogynists get laid and have relationships all the time, but meaningful? Not particularly.) Robotic/redpill/incel-ish men are a dime a dozen and they are the absolutely worst men to spend time with. Absolutely insufferable.

No. 213229

>>213192
Thank you for this. I will never mention my virginity to a potential partner again.

Men that expect their GF's to be tight young virgins are either extreme manwhores PUAs, or incel type men, that could never get a girlfriend either way.

No. 213242

>>213192
This, I feel so disgusted whenever any man even mentions anything about purity or virginity, even as a social construct it's weird

No. 213246

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I brought it up on another thread and wanted to make a longer post here where I feel it's more on topic.

I think Hollywood has a lot to do with the obsession with teenagers, if you look at Britney Spears for example they made her sing in a baby voice as they thought her real voice was too "mature", marketed off her being young and even did a "sexy" photoshoot in her fucking childhood bedroom.

Society disgusts me, why is their so much focus on women being young and "pure"? You still have idiot traditionalists screaming women "hit the wall" at 30, how on earth is 30 even old, let alone too old to get married and have kids?

I started getting catcalled when I was 11 years old, I was still playing with barbies back then and didn't understand why I was suddenly getting this attention, I'd started developing but very much looked like a child still. I live in Britain too where we wear school uniforms which is an obvious sign that says "this girl is underage" but it didn't stop men from catcalling me. I honestly do fear more men would have sex with girls between the ages of 10 - 16 if they could get away with it, girls are developing younger these days and I've heard more than one guy say if she's started her period then she's "ready" it's so disturbing to me.

No. 213250

>>213191
>Sure, some men do have a preference for a woman with less sex partners
This is one of the parts where I roll my eyes at r9k. I totally understand not wanting to date someone who engages in casual sex. But then they call some girl a whore because she slept with her boyfriend of 2 years or some shit but things didn't work out ultimately.

No. 213251

>>213250
Yeah it's just complete insecurity, they don't want her to have any experience in sex or relationships so she has nothing to compare him too and they think being a virgin automatically means a girl won't know when sex is bad or they're treating her badly.

No. 213256

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>>213246
>You still have idiot traditionalists screaming women "hit the wall" at 30, how on earth is 30 even old
I proved them wrong with just one picture. She was 36 here.

No. 213258

On the topic of virginity, I don't really think that there's anything wrong with a guy who is himself a virgin wanting his first relationship to be with another virgin like himself.
Guys who are not virgins obsessing over virgin girls are nasty as fuck though.

No. 213259

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>>213256
Honestly, most women don't look all that different from 23+ to 30. Unless you suddenly take up a drug habit it's unlikely you're suddenly going to look old af, grav3yardgirl is a good example of a woman who's 30/not a model etc who still looks youthful, as 30 isn't old lmao.

No. 213260

>>213258
I mean I get the appeal, but I usually see that stuff from late bloomers and it's just not really viable. People who are still virgins at 25 arent exactly common. The desire is understandable but you're probably going to end up shooting yourself in the foot over it.

No. 213262

>>213250
Same. Not wanting a slut is fine (I don't like how sluts make other women look bad or set bad standards for us either), but this idea sleeping with a bf of four years who you loved and wanted to marry makes you a 'slut' is disgusting.

No. 213263

>>213262
>with a bf of four years who you loved and wanted to marry
I think the thing about this is that since they have very little experience in relationships, or are simply insecure, they're worried about being just another guy who you would date for maybe a few years but never go anywhere with. Of course, that is different from the type of lunatics who think dating anyone at all immediately makes you some kind of a slut, but that's a different kind of extreme insecurity that just gets to the point of making them an inherently shitty person.

No. 213279

>>213262
I really don't think they consider the number of women, especially when they're young that are lead on by men. There are literal tips online on how to trick a woman into sleeping with you, some men will say anything to get a woman into bed and teenage girls with pretty much no experience who are insecure/desperate for validation are prone to falling for it. Of course, they're just dumb whores who fell for Chad though, no empathy is ever given to them from poor widdle "friendzoned" guys.

No. 213284

>>213279
Yeah, I was young and stupid too, thankfully I never got taken in by bad guys, but holy shit the lengths men will go to get a woman into bed, pretending to be in love (and being good at it too).

I sound old-fashioned but I really don't think most women actually want to be sluts, at least when we're sober. We're far more focused on long-term relationships and marriage than most men are - and less sexually driven (at least in the context of sleeping with virtual strangers), whatever the third-wave or incels want to say.

No. 213285

>>213263
I think it's understandable that guys are insecure to a degree, just like we are about looks/youth etc. That's just a product of the shitty sexualized media climate we live in. I just wish men would empathize a bit more, the majority of us aren't interested in giant black dicks ffs.

No. 213286

>>213284
Yeah, blogposty but I had an older abusive boyfriend when I was 15 and he shared a lot of traits with Raven Sparks just for context of how bad it was and to give you a picture. For a while I bought into the idea I was now "spoiled goods" and worthless to men.

Thankfully I realised not all men are like that nor will they judge me for an abusive relationship with an older man when I was a child, it's sad and sickening how many men are not willing to give women that level of empathy and just assume we're all whores because we were groomed/lied too in our pasts.

No. 213289

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>>213260

>People who are still virgins at 25 arent exactly common

>tfw 28 and still a virgin

No. 213298

A lot of people get off on destroying something pure and a lot of people just like women who are cute/dainty which s are features teens usually have. It seems everyone's culture is obsessed with teen years, even on tv high school is glamorized. It's like we have all forgotten how awful high school was kek and it's not just guys obsessed with teens, women are obsessed with looking as young as possible. Take people like shoeonhead, yumi king and the like, they're obsessed with youth and being small.

No. 213301

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>>213298
Idealizing childhood and youth is common for virtually any adult, especially bitter people. It's sort of a "the grass is greener on the other side" thing. People look through a nostalgic lens and only see an absence of worries and complete freedom, without seeing everything else that came with that.
Because of this generally shared perception of youth amongst adults, media and whatnot centering on themes or settings reminiscent of youth are very profitable and feed on adults' desire for escapism in a way that any adult can identify with since literally everyone has experienced childhood.
For the most part, this focus on youth in media is what leads to these obsessions many adults now have pertaining to teenagers and youth in general, and at some point it became deeply ingrained in our culture. Then of course comes the sexual aspects, such as virginity/purity, and youthful appearances. It becomes a self-perpetuating machine, since it begs for more escapism away from adult life by constantly contrasting reality with the ideal.
kinda sucks

No. 213303

>>213298
"women are obsessed with looking as young as possible. Take people like shoeonhead, yumi king and the like, they're obsessed with youth and being small."


so two attention whores that cater to men? women wouldn't be obsessed with looking as young as possible if men didn't gawk and obsess over women looking young, do you really think if they lived in a place such as italy or greece where looking like an adult is ideal to men there, they would still want to look childish?


>>213301
eh, I can agree that people will want to go back to the "good ole days" when they were a kid, but the reason why it's ingrained in sex nowadays is a completely different reason rather than just people wanting to be kids again

No. 213305

>>213286
I think men are literally incapable of feeling empathy towards women. I don’t hold it against them too much because it seems like they absolutely just can’t do it.

No. 213307

>>213303
I was trying to say more that the inundation of media pertaining to youth is part of what leads to the sexualition of youth, and obviously it's also not the only cause, since I can imagine pedophiles don't solely exist due to the media they watch. Escapism regarding childhood is just what leads to youth-focused media being created.
Then the sexualiztion of youth gets put into these kinds of media, and then people are even more likely to be swayed to sexualizing teenagers. This is sort of why otakus often sexualize teenagers without even thinking its wierd, because to them it's the norm in the context of the media they take in.

No. 213315

>>213289
Hey you won't see me judge you for that. It is a fact of life though, holding out for another virgin in your mid 20s is going to make things exceedingly difficult. You're better off trying to find someone that respects you and is patient.

No. 213320

>>213305
That's a very hyperbolic statement anon, men aren't sociopaths by default.

No. 213323

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No. 213326

>>213320
I didn't say they were sociopaths. I don't believe that. They experience empathy and care when it comes to other men, or children, or animals most of the time. But I truly believe they are unempathetic to women by default, yes.

No. 213327

>>213307
I've thought about this a lot too. Eg most of us would be really grossed out by a sex scene involving kids in our own national childhood school uniforms, but we don't bat an eye when we see it in manga because we're so used to all manga being in a school setting that those characters don't even read as young children anymore. That's just what manga characters look like.

If a girl lucky watches kawaii x anime girls and fresh faced Korean drama stars in eternal high-school plot lines, then of course she's going to feel upset when she finally grows into her adult body. If she's still fixating on storylines about after school idols and first confessions under cherry blossoms, obviously she's going to be overwhelmed by the problems of adult life.
I personally make an effort to watch more media that focuses on adults than teens. I want to see actors that look like me, going through the same things that I might experience.

I wish there were more fun anime that focused on adults without infantilising them though, since I've now mostly dropped anime for because of it.

No. 213330

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>>213327
>>213301
These are some really interesting points and observations

No. 213333

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>>213315

Well I don't think I'll ever meet one so yeah, I don't care unless their partner count is in two digits and shit. There is something very wrong with probably anyways so no need sweat finding someone because it won't happen.

No. 213334

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>>213284
>I really don't think most women actually want to be sluts, at least when we're sober
With all respect, you sound like you're holding in a lot of misogyny there. I'm one of those "sluts" you're talking about.
I'm not an alcoholic, in fact I avoid casual sex with strangers when I'm drunk because I like to make informed decisions. I'm not sloppy with sexual health or birth control and when I'm in a relationship I'm relentlessly faithful. However, when I'm single, I'll fuck as many guys as I want, when I want. It's my body, I'm allowed to do what I want with it so please don't call me a slut or say that I devalue those who don't share my lifestyle.

Some people grew up in a way where they don't enjoy casual sex, and that's fine too I'm not going to make fun of you for that, that's your body and your choice. I'm not 'lowering your stock value' or whatever nonsense incels spew.
Girls should support girls.

No. 213336

>>213334
I'm about a prude virgin as you can get and I support you. Nothing wrong with having casual sex, as long as you keep yourself and your partners safe and look after your health. It really is a personality difference - some people are comfortable engaging in casual sex with many partners, and some people prefer to have sex only in long term committed relationships. Some people are inbetween.

I don't know why people care what other women do so much. Your choices don't affect anyone aside from you and the people who are consenting to sex with you. We only represent ourselves, and the only actions we have control over are our own. If other women feel like you're "devaluing" them in the eyes of men who are misogynistic trash to begin with, that's their problem (and it's a ridiculous one to have.) Men like that will never respect a woman for any reason, no matter how hard you pander to them and try to prove that you're different and you're worthy. No sense in even trying.

No. 213340

>>213326
Precisely this. You can try to deny it however you can, but all the irl experience draws this conclusion.

No. 213343

>>213340
I don't remember the exact details but a while ago there was some feminist on a talkshow or a news station or something that said something along the lines of "women have no idea how much men actually hate them."

Of course men got mad, called her a feminazi and a cunt, and screeched that it wasn't true. But how can you deny that there is truth to it? The same type of men who were complaining that it wasn't true will prove that it's true if you discuss it with them further, or interact with them for any prolonged period of time.

I see this as a fact of life and something that straight women just have to deal with, so I'm not really complaining. I know you can't change men. But it's better to realize this than kid yourself.

No. 213344

>>213334
I'm not that anon but I hate to admit that I'm not really approving of sexually extremely active people whether women or men, the gender doesn't matter. In fact, I cut contact with a male friend because he changed his girlfriends every so often and cheated on them too. In the same way, I harbor similar contempt towards fat people and substance abusers. What I wanted to say is that I dislike people who are unable to control themselves. Having too many sexual partners just tells me that you lack self-control.

But I would never talk again shit about someone who had such lifestyle, I would just keep my distance. I understand that people have different opinions and views, and I'm really sorry if I offended you. But I just wanted to give my 2 cents that to me it has nothing to do with genders, though I agree that the society is way too harsh on women while ignoring men who are many times worse on average. I also don't think that the society should be punishing anyone for being more sexually active, as long as you keep your health in check etc.

No. 213349

>>213326
That's sad to hear, I'm glad I don't think the same as you.

No. 213356

>>213349
How is it sad to hear?

No. 213359

>>213343
> Of course men got mad, called her a feminazi and a cunt, and screeched that it wasn't true.

I find that tragicomical. I can't count how ingrained it is in our society to find acceptable any degradation of women. Yet try and dare to point it out and you're an oversensitive woman (chillax it's just a joke).

> The same type of men who were complaining that it wasn't true will prove that it's true if you discuss it with them further, or interact with them for any prolonged period of time.


Exactly. I just see men as they are and I can't blame them since they're not capable of empathizing with women. It's not in their nature to see women as equals. They see women just as baby machines, pleasure holes, walking dishwashers. They will never value your input on anything important or serious. Because to men a woman's opinion is worth nothing, because to them women are inferior. They might not word it like so but between the lines, it pretty much boils down to that. I'm not saying that they would all approve of someone torturing a woman out of the blue (but if it's cheating or refusing to go out, for example, they will probably sympathize with the perpetrator).

>>213349
Go to Hell robot. I can recognize that style of writing and your pathetic attempt to be "one of us". Consider suicide you disgusting sack of shit.

No. 213385

>>213343
damn I guess white people who get mad at people who say "all white people are racist" are actually racist themselves

No. 213393

>>213385
What is your point? The men who were getting mad at what she said later proved it to be true in their comments. So yes, they were misogynists themselves.

Men act like they could NEVER hate women or see them as inferior trash how could you even suggest that!!11 and if you probe them even a little bit you'll see how they actually feel about women. Not that it's even surprising anymore.

No. 213398

>>213356
It just sounds like some of you (like >>213359) have had some awful experiences with men, which I haven't. I'm glad I've got good relationships with the guys who are important in my life so I don't think stuff like:
>They see women just as baby machines, pleasure holes, walking dishwashers.

Think of men how you want though, it doesn't affect me. I just disagreed with the statement that "men can't empathise with women at all" because I've experienced differently.

No. 213401

>>213398
I agree with you. Tho tbh they may just be using 'men' in place of assholes or something. I feel like when people say men as a blanket term they don't realize how much it alienates them, and makes others feel attacked. Not to agree with those #notallmen fucks, but I can't help but think that generalized statements like that end up upsetting people who would otherwise agree, and why do we want that? I've had bad and good experiences with men, but I certainly wouldn't tell my loving, caring, overly-empathetic to the point of annoyance, fiance that I hate men cause I am a sexual abuse survivor. It causes confusion and doesn't make sense. I hate rapists and douchebags, not men and men aren't a collective, just like women aren't.

No. 213404

>>213334
That's cool. You can do what you want. But don't try and pretend your experience is what most women want. The vast majority of us do not want to sleep around and regard it as disgusting and frankly I'm sick of experiences like your own being presented by people like you and the wider media as "what women want". Frankly I'd have been comfortable with one decent man (lol) for the rest of my life. As would most of my friends and peers.

Also lose the tumblr gifs/caps.

No. 213406

>>213393
This is such a vague argument. If people get accused in a generalizing statement to be bad people, then they very obviously won't be happy about that and will retaliate whether it isn't actually true or it is. Both men who hate women and men who don't will be angry at that statement, because its accusatory and generalizing.
Then you go on to say that each and every single man who was against that statement proved himself to actually be a misogynist. By what measurement? How many? Who were they? When and where did this happen?
It's basically anecdotal evidence with no real backing other than "I said so". And really, all you're doing is taking this perception you accuse all men of having and turning it around, thus going: Men are horrible people because they are incapable of empathizing with women, men are inferior. And you grant yourself permission of having this belief by saying not only is it true, but men think the same of women and therefore it is okay.

No. 213407

>>213398
All men are a couple rejections and bad relationships away from going full redpill "women aren't human" misogynists. I simply question why that is.

Glad you've had positive relationships with men, but when you disobey them or stop giving them exactly what they want quietly, see how they treat you. See how they talk about other women who are "uppity" for wanting to be treated like fully functioning human beings.

No. 213408

>>213334
>Girls should support girls

Also no. If you support "sex work", porn, nasty ass kinks and other third wave trash as "feminist" then I'm not going to support you simply because you're a girl. What a stupid suggestion. If you're comfortable in your own skin with your decisions then you don't need our support.

No. 213409

>>213344
>>213406
Agree so hard. Promiscuity just shows lack of commitment, lack of responsibility, need for instant gratification, and general instability, in both men and women. Although women generally don't have to cheat cause most men they are having sex with don't want relationships anyway, it doesn't make men worse or women better.

I also feel this way about overweight people, 'open relationships' etc, so no, I'm not just 'hating on sluts'.

No. 213410

>>213408
>If you're comfortable in your own skin with your decisions then you don't need our support.

THANK YOU!

No. 213413

>>213406
I'm talking about the comments under that specific video, where men would get mad at what she said but then prove it completely right. It IS anecdotal, and I never claimed otherwise. But at some point when the anecdote is proved correct over and over and over again, you can see it in action everytime you interact with men, it starts to hold more weight.

Where did I ever say men are inferior? I said they can't feel empathy towards women, because they fucking can't. Or maybe they just choose not to? Is that better? Never said they were horrible people either, I said they are perfectly capable of feeling empathy towards other men, children, and other living beings.

It doesn't make them inferior, they clearly aren't, it's just a fact. However they DO view women as inferior, some just hide it better in order to get what they want. Maybe for the five minutes when they're fucking them they care about women. It is what it is dude.

No. 213414

>>213334
>Some people grew up in a way where they don't enjoy casual sex

What does this even mean? Casual sex is shit and depressing. It's not something you're conditioned into believing.

No. 213416

Men can feel empathy but it's almost always towards daughters and sisters and female cousins. Reminds me of a nofap thread where they claimed one of the things that turned them off porn was the realization that the girls were "someone's daughter".

No. 213418

>>213416
And why is that? Because they view the woman as belonging to someone else (a man). That's the only reason why they pretend to give a shit. Because the person they actually feel bad for is the man - the father, or the brother, or the husband. Never the woman.

Because they don't view her as her own actual person.

No. 213419

>>213404
>But don't try and pretend your experience is what most women want.
I don't think that anon was trying to say that at all, if you want to sleep around (responsibly) that's fine, if you don't that's also fine.
Unless it affects your life personally, who gives a shit.

Now to get back on topic,
>>213418
this is an interesting point

No. 213420

>>202410
To be fair MILF is also a popular category

No. 213422

>>213407
I'm just telling you my experiences which are as valid as your own.

I'm friends with guys who I have rejected - they've never said derogatory things to me because of that rejection or treat me differently from other friends.

I could also argue that women are a couple of bad relationships away from hating men, but that's just how life is - what you experience shapes your world view. So while I understand how you can have such a negative opinion on men, I'm very glad I don't.

No. 213433

>>213420
I think the fact that there's an entire fetish for people who like "MILFs" when in reality most of them are normal looking only proves sexualization of teens, back in the day, "milf" porn, was just called porn, since most porn milfs look in their late 20s-30s and sometimes dont even have kids

No. 213448

>>213433
>I think the fact that there's an entire fetish for people who like "MILFs" when in reality most of them are normal looking
By the same token I have to wonder how much of the teen stuff is due to Hollywood. They'll have someone in their 20s play a 16 year old, and I suspect a lot of people I know are out of touch with how one actually looks since they haven't interacted with someone that age in forever.

No. 213449

>>213413
>But at some point when the anecdote is proved correct over and over and over again, you can see it in action everytime you interact with men, it starts to hold more weight.
I love how you can just replace the word men with blacks and it reads like something you'd see from a "race realist".

No. 213451

>>213449
Except that I’m not using it to persecute or harm men, I’m just stating a fact. They don’t feel empathy for women, most outright hate them. I’m not saying they are inferior, or that they need to be discriminated against because of this fact. What I’m saying doesn’t hurt or reflect badly on men at all, because they don’t care. I’m not saying #killallmen

The thing I don’t get is why do they act like they care if people point this out? They certainly don’t care about how they don’t view women as people, why do they care if people acknowledge that fact and want to talk about it? Maybe you can answer that question for me.

No. 213452

>>213449
And another question, do you say the same thing when men refer to women as inferior, compare them to livestock, say that they’re all worthless whores?

I’m thinking no. Only men can talk about how much they hate women and no one bats an eye. The other way around and It’s how dare you generalize!!1

I don’t even hate men, and don’t think they’re bad people in most aspects of life. But it is abundantly clear, and becomes clearer every day, that they don’t feel empathy for women. That’s only a bad thing if you’re a woman.

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>>213451
>What I’m saying doesn’t reflect badly on men at all

>Why do they act like they care if people point this out?

>Why do people care if I assert a wide negative generalization on them as fact?

No. 213454

>>213385
Yeah, they usually are

No. 213455

>>213453
Ok 70% of men can’t feel empathy for women and you’re definitely part of the 30% that do. Does that make you feel better sweetie?

No. 213456

>>213455
>30%
No way, maybe 10-15% if your being generous. Also, that anon is most likely not in that 10-15%

No. 213457

>>213453
How is it a negative generalization? Most men will happily admit that they see women as inferior and don't really feel anything but annoyance, hatred and/or lust for them. If they don't see it as negative, why should anyone else?

No. 213459

>>213453
Go die in a fire.

>>213456
Make it 10% and even that's being optimistic.

>>213457
> Most men will happily admit that they see women as inferior and don't really feel anything but annoyance, hatred and/or lust for them.

This thousand times.

No. 213460

>>213385
Actually everyone is racist by default, it gets taken out of you either by socialization, your parents, or some introspection later in life, if it is required that you not be racist, that is.
Men have no need not to dislike women for being women. They'd rather write bibles on how to fuck what they hate than think about it all.

No. 213462

>>213451
>The thing I don’t get is why do they act like they care if people point this out?
Because generally speaking men actually don't hate women and do in fact feel empathy for them. You're basically saying their feelings are invalid because of your shitty experiences. I mean I get people generally reach this state of mind after something went wrong, but that's still not an excuse.

>>213452
>And another question, do you say the same thing when men refer to women as inferior, compare them to livestock, say that they’re all worthless whores?
>I’m thinking no.
You can cling to that if you want but if anything I rattle the cage of r9k much more frequently. There are women in my life that I consider quite important, and I'm less than keen about hearing about how horrible they supposedly are.

>Only men can talk about how much they hate women and no one bats an eye. The other way around and It’s how dare you generalize!!1

Spend less time on the internet. I've seen someone pull this irl exactly once, and everyone made fun of him for it. This is not acceptable behavior. I've had some shitty experiences with women, but I always try to make a note to remind myself that my issues lay with the individual and not the gender. It's easy to become a sour piece of shit after getting screwed over but an adult should at least make an attempt at keeping everything in perspective.

I mean people here are quite literally generalizing 90% of men as misogynistic, which is a quite absurd claim.

No. 213464

>>213462
wow great job dude, great job. you really respected women there dude. guess we all have to suck your dick now

No. 213465

>>213464
Oh well in that case please form an orderly line.

But seriously, good job on missing the point. You're asking why men are offended at the claim that they do not care about women yet refuse to consider the notion that maybe they do. This is really simple stuff.

No. 213466

>>213462
>Because generally speaking men actually don't hate women and do in fact feel empathy for them
Just….lmao. Men only give a fuck about other men. Even here >>213416 do you think those men felt bad because they cared about the position the woman was in or considered what led her to that point? No, they cared about her father and how he must feel that his property is acting out of line.

Even now, with all of these sexual assault scandals, most men aren't mad that they happened to begin with, they're mad that women won't shut the fuck up about it. They're mad that women have the audacity to speak up about it, and they're upset that it inconveniences them because they have to hear about it every time they tune into the news. They don't give a fuck about what those women went through, in fact a lot of them think it's funny. They don't want to have a wide reaching societal conversation about harassment, assault, and belittlement in the workplace because they don't care what happens to women, and they aren't expected to, so it doesn't affect them.

>>213465
>You're asking why men are offended at the claim that they do not care about women yet refuse to consider the notion that maybe they do.
Sure they care about women insofar as they can fuck them, or the woman can cook/clean/bear children for them or make them look good in front of other men. Care about women's feelings and actual experiences? No. Care about women's input on serious topics? No. They don't. It's all performative. They will never extend basic respect towards women the way they do to men, and they sure as hell would never defend women the way you're defending men right now.

No. 213467

>>213466
>No, they cared about her father and how he must feel that his property is acting out of line.
You know if men just saw women as property society sure hasn't been doing a good job of following, especially considering the womens right to vote was achieved only because men voted it in. I guess we just arent supposed to think about this too hard.

>Even now, with all of these sexual assault scandals, most men aren't mad that they happened to begin with, they're mad that women won't shut the fuck up about it.

Honestly out of everyone I know it's more that we're just not surprised. Stewart openly talked about how people call Hollywood a modern Sodom and Gomorrah during the Oscars and Seth MacFarlane had his own blurb about Weinstein, spurred on about what his friend went through off the top of my head before any of this #metoo stuff started.

So when is that line starting anyways?

No. 213468

>>213467
>You know if men just saw women as property society sure hasn't been doing a good job of following, especially considering the womens right to vote was achieved only because men voted it in. I guess we just arent supposed to think about this too hard.

And men now run around preaching that women shouldn't be in the workforce and giving us the right to vote is the biggest mistake ever made. Men really think highly of women, for sure. So highly that they think we can't be trusted to make decisions and just need to stay in the kitchen and act subservient. Everyone believes you. Men totally see women as equals.

No. 213469

>>213468
>And men now run around preaching that women shouldn't be in the workforce and giving us the right to vote is the biggest mistake ever made.
Again, use less internet. There's a reason why it would be suicide for a politician to espouse something like that.

No. 213472

>>213469
Oh please, no it wouldn't be. In fact it would garner someone like Trump even more support from men if he outright said some shit like that. A lot of them would see that as a plus.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/europe/polish-politician-remarks-women/index.html

Guess who still has a political career? I remember men cracking jokes and worshipping this dude for saying this. But whatever, men see women as equal for sure. Keep telling yourself that. "Women aren't inferior, they're just different. Now let me list all the things that make them 'different', all of which are negative and imply inferiority."

No. 213474

>>213472
>>213469

>>213469
Not the same anon you've been replying too, I do completely see your point it is mostly on the internet where these sexist men discuss things. However, these so many communities that exist that openly hate women and they're pretty much ignored or just seen as venting.

Whenever a woman says anything bad about a man, she's criticized and held accountable - men aren't. If women said things half as bad as what men say about women, I think things would be very different. Many men get offended at women even discussing sexual assault as they see it as a personal attack on them, rather than men who sexually assault people.

Could you imagine if a female version of MGTOW or incels existed? It wouldn't last a day without being raided and people probably getting doxxed/death threats.

No. 213475

>>213473
Men constantly tell women to just "learn to take a joke" if she tries to tell him that sexist comments aren't cool and make her uncomfortable, but whenever a woman says something in the same caliber about men they completely melt down. Pretty funny actually.

Women get shit on left and right, men can't even handle a little bit of criticism about how they do this. But they still won't be introspective about it and say "hey, maybe we shouldn't constantly treat women like worthless shit." Nah, never.

No. 213477

>>213475
Videos like this exist with loads of views, that have mostly positive comments and more likes than dislikes. It's very in and accepted to shit on women right now.

Whereas Anita Sarkeesian said some dumb things about video games (I don't like her so don't assume that) and mostly everyone hates her, but videos like this go completely under the radar?

No. 213478

>>213477
Yep fucking exactly. And this dude wants to say its just assholes online. NO, these are commonly held opinions. People online just feel comfortable being more open with them because they can be relatively anonymous.

Men don't give a FUCK about women. Period.

No. 213479

>>213478
Sorry to #notallmen but it isn't all men, the thing is we already know that. It's a large, worrying amount of men though and that's the issue.

If a woman made a video anywhere near on the same level as that, she'd be getting crucified right now. Buzzfeed videos, a huge company are given more hate than then video I linked and the shit they say isn't even half as bad as the video I linked, there's plenty more too.

No. 213480

>>213479
It is all men. Sorry, but it is. Not all men are as explicit as that, but they all either agree with it or they will laugh alone while another man spouts shit like that.

They either are misogynists or they pal around with misogynists because ONCE AGAIN, they can't feel empathy toward women, they have no idea what the fuck it feels like, and they don't care because it will never affect them. They will never be hated by half the population just for existing like that. They will never be questioned like that.

Hell, why should they start caring about women? It doesn't benefit them. They'll be fine no matter what. No one will ever question their rights or their ability to do XYZ.

No. 213481

>>213474
>However, these so many communities that exist that openly hate women and they're pretty much ignored or just seen as venting.
They often are though, and as long as they get over themselves I don't think it's the end of the world. But if they don't, does it really matter as long as they keep their idiocy contained? The big issue with spots like say r/incels before the ban is how they raided other places. Women do often express similar views, how many times do you think a female friend of mine has expressed the sentiment that all men are pigs, or only want sex? If she was recently screwed over I try to be understanding, but it's not a sentiment I would humor over a long period. I'm assuming you would do something similar for a male friend who was recently reamed.

>Could you imagine if a female version of MGTOW or incels existed?

It does exist. I would point you towards say r/WGTOW, or even the rad fem general on this very website where they unironically discuss the merits of the SCUM manifesto. Anyone who does that is at least a rough approximation of an incel as far as I'm concerned. Is it less common? Sure. But saying they don't exist is almost a dare considering the nature of the internet.

>>213477
>Whereas Anita Sarkeesian said some dumb things about video games (I don't like her so don't assume that) and mostly everyone hates her, but videos like this go completely under the radar?
Anita also went to the UN to speak about cyber violence or whatever. Black Pidgeon just keeps to his own echo chamber. Out of the two of them, only one of them is really going out of their way to broadcast their message to the greater world.

No. 213482

>>213481
Except /r/wgtow is mostly dead with the same few people commenting, they do exist….but they're not that active, what does that tell you? It's more common for men to hate women. My point was men get really really offended whenever something critical is said about them, look at the big backlash of feminists recently and the way so many people reacted to #metoo, yet men say worse shit regularly and it's pretty much ignored. I'm just saying they wouldn't be able to handle the shit women see about women daily on the internet, it's not just reddit or image boards either, it's on fb, twitter and youtube now.

No. 213483

>>213481
>does it really matter as long as they keep their idiocy contained?

It's not contained, though. It's out on the internet where more young men can be exposed to it, and overtime it spreads far enough that most of them hold those views. It's already happening. Don't underestimate spaces like that and how influential they can be on people. It's already happening. They aren't inconsequential.

Also, WGTOW and MGTOW aren't even remotely comparable. 40,000 subscribers and climbing on the MGTOW subreddit vs. 2k on WGTOW.

Add onto that 40,000 the 200k+ subscribers to the redpill, however many subscribers incels had, all of the rightwing youtube channels like Black Pidgeon with thousands of subscribers. And that's only the online spaces. Most men think like this, most of them aren't active online in that way. But of course I don't expect you to care that deeply about this, or consider it a problem. Because it doesn't affect you. It affects women when this becomes a wide reaching societal attitude, which it is on its way to being.

No. 213486

>>213482
>it's not just reddit or image boards either, it's on fb, twitter and youtube now.

This. I remember seeing a video on youtube of a mentally challenged girl who fell into a cage at the zoo and there were comments with hundreds of likes about how all women are stupid and need to be controlled and need to be controlled. On a video COMPLETELY UNRELATED to anything like that. You literally can't escape ideas like that because guess fucking what? Most men think those things.

So there's a couple spaces on the internet where women dont even wish death on men or talk about how they should be subjugated, but instead talk about all the shit they've faced from men. And somehow that's comparable, because men can never be questioned. It's always women that are wrong, and we're just supposed to deal with having to hear shit like that constantly and take it with a smile. If we speak out, we're uptight feminazis who just need some dick.

No. 213487

>>213482
>but they're not that active, what does that tell you?
I explicitly noted that it is less common. I referenced WGTOW mainly because it's a blatant copy of MGTOW.

>My point was men get really really offended whenever something critical is said about them

And you know what? There's probably something to be said about that. But that has more to do with ignorance than malice generally speaking. Our current discussion isn't that "men need to learn to listen better" or something like that, the pretext right now is that men supposedly by and large hate women which is a beast on an entirely different level.

>>213483
I think it's kind of weird you're adding separate populations, when they likely have significant overlap if anything.
>It affects women when this becomes a wide reaching societal attitude, which it is on its way to being.
If you're really that paranoid the men are planning on taking away your right to vote I can't really help you.

No. 213488

>>213487
>But that has more to do with ignorance than malice generally speaking.

Yeah, willful ignorance. Because women have asked time and time again that men listen. And asked men to try to see things from our point of view, look inward at their own behavior and the behavior of the men around them and see if there's anything they can address themselves. And they don't. They don't want to, because they don't care. And they don't care because they are incapable of empathizing with women.

Men don't care what women have to say and they don't care about the experiences women have. Why would they listen to an inferior creature who they don't really care about outside of sex and acting as a walking ornament to them? It literally takes another man to make them consider something and start listening, but even then they can't bring themselves to care enough to stop laughing about how all women are whores who whine too much about shit like sexual assault and probably deserved it anyway.

>If you're really that paranoid the men are planning on taking away your right to vote I can't really help you.


Nah I mean men are already talking about how they don't want to hire women anymore because it's too much of a risk in regards to harassment. We have nobody questioning people who say that women's suffrage was a mistake, and even more people supporting that idea. No big deal, this won't continue to fester and backfire in a few years at all.

No. 213489

>>213480
I agree tbh. Even if it really wasn't all of them, the percentage of men that genuinely did care would be so fucking small that it'd be irrelevant in the long run.

No. 213497

>>213480
>It is all men. Sorry, but it is
Ok so maybe I'm crazy but does anyone else think that maybe redpills might be pushing this point so that we give up on men? They want this reality where we're totally separated in every way apart from the transaction of sex, no friendship or compassion

Maybe I'm just lucky but I know a good few guys
Guys with strong mothers and cool sisters, guys who would never agree with this shit I keep reading here
Why do you guys keep swallowing this stuff? I agree, the majority seems to be backwards as fuck but this "no men see us as human" thing is so outrageous. Who are you people?

No. 213498

>>213404
>don't try and pretend your experience is what most women want. The vast majority of us do not want to sleep around
I didn't, I'm just hoping that you understand my side. People that enjoy sex outside of relationships are not your enemy.
>>213414
Bad phrasing on my part sorry, I just mean different people have different beliefs about what they want to do with their own personal bodies and that's fine

No. 213499

>>213469
https://thinkprogress.org/moore-study-course-vison-forum-135402ed8816/

I invite you to watch as Roy Moore gets elected to the Senate, even after this and everything else that's come out. Hell, once this spreads his approval rating will probably go up even more.

No. 213501

>>213497
Redpillers are simply men amongst other men who are free to discuss what they really feel. And what they really feel is hatred for women, like most men. They have no incentive to sugarcoat and lie. I don't think they're pushing anything, but the internet has been quite eye opening when it comes to learning how much men hate women.

>guys who would never agree with this shit I keep reading here

Not directly to your face.

>Why do you guys keep swallowing this stuff?

Swallowing what, exactly? "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

>this "no men see us as human" thing is so outrageous. Who are you people?

It isn't outrageous at all. They don't.

No. 213503

This thread is either depressing or amusing, depending whether you consider these the opinions of actual people or just those of BBS users detached from reality, a la /r9k/.
The first considerations about Hollywood and the rise of the sentiment of longing for your youth were valid and interesting, but all the "personal" posts read like a gender switched version of an incel manifesto.

"All women are roastie harpies, and my anecdotical contextual evidence proves it without a doubt. If you disagree you're a bitter roastie" == "All men are raging misogynists, and my anecdotical contextual evidence proves it without a doubt. If you disagree you're an incel robot"

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>>213499
Geez the only thing worse than than an incel is a religious incel in the fucking senate
what a load of bologna

>>213503
I agree, this thread is a bit of a hit or miss. But I do think lolcow is a little bit more stable than /r9k/.

No. 213505

>>213504
The thing scarier than Roy Moore himself is the fact that thousands of people will be voting for him. They will know about this, and still vote for him. Some of them will even vote for him BECAUSE of this.

And women will vote for him…the guy who doesn't think they should have the right to vote. It would be funny if he wasn't so fucking sad. I can't believe we're at this point where women's rights and status as individual adults is up for debate. Fuck it man. I don't even want to know what life in this country is going to be like 20 or 50 years down the line. Hope I'm not around to see it.

No. 213506

>>213503
Agree, you took the words straight outta my mouth anon

No. 213512

>>213503
I love these false equivalencies that make it easy for you to ignore reality, but if you actually put some thought into gender roles and pay attention to the way men discuss women the instant they have the anonymous freedom to be honest, you'd understand that our reaction is not the same as them being bitter hot girls reject them and fuck Chad. We do actually have completely different reasoning and ways of backing up our opinions, you realize that right?

No. 213516

>>213503
Please, give me a break. This thread is nothing like r9k. How the fuck can you even compare not wanting anything to do with men with /r9k/'s active hatred of women, their desire to see them hurt? What kind of retard are you to draw a comparison like that? Same thing with r/wgtow which as far as I see, are just women listing negative experience with men and describing tips for a better life alone. Compare that subreddit with mgtow's where they in r9k's same fashion spew hatred and misogyny threads, those two are not even remotely the same.

No. 213519

>>213516
Because we’re supposed to just put up with misogyny and not question it. Men are flawless angels who love and care about women immensely. How dare we question the validity of that, when literally everything they say and do suggests otherwise?

Pointing out that men clearly don’t feel empathy for women or give a shit about them outside of the bedroom is the exact same thing as men treating women as chattel. Duh.

No. 213520

>>213512
>We do actually have completely different reasoning and ways of backing up our opinions, you realize that right?
This is another one of those "impossible to distinguish from /r9k/" kinds of responses.
You're defending people going "Every single man is a monster" as if there was possibly an argument valid enough to live through life thinking like that. You're deluded for thinking you're any different than them, and you hilariously parrot the "Women are literally incapable of feeling [x emotion]" spiel, a popular subject amongst the robots you so staunchly despise.

No. 213522

>>213520
No one said every man is a monster. Every man has some level of hatred towards women, and no man actually feels genuine empathy for women. That’s how this whole thing started. Those simple facts. Men don’t even view that as a bad thing and don’t see any reason to change, so how would that make them monsters? It’s just how it is. Deal with it.

No. 213523

>>213516
>This thread is nothing like r9k. How the fuck can you even compare not wanting anything to do with men with /r9k/'s active hatred of women, their desire to see them hurt?
Men think criticism is comparable to violence. You can see it every time they make false comparisons between the sadism ceaselessly pouring out of misogyny's asshole and women's retaliation against that. Probably has something to do with their narcissism.
Men can say, and do whatever they want, none of it is up for scrutiny because it hurts man feelz, or whatever. So woman are expected to ignore the threats, harrassment, degradation, and sometimes real violence…
Men can talk about torturing women, breaking them into fuck dolls, ripping out their uteruses, rendering them unrecognizable, but the second a woman says
>Men are stupid and smell bad and they treat us like shit
They hit the fucking roof.

No. 213524

>>213522
This is not fact. It's a biological fact that men do feel empathy towards women, children and animals. The level of empathy varies between individuals but it exists.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to convince you to change your view on men, but presenting your own view and opinion as fact is the exact same thing incels and rk9 scum do - you even completed your post with their classic "deal with it" finish. C'mon now.

No. 213525

>>213520
Not that anon, but your circular/repetitive responses are boring. Do you have any argument besides false equivalence?

No. 213530

>>213522
> That’s how this whole thing started. Those simple facts.
God what is it with this website and pushing their half baked ideas forward as "facts"? There's a reason why you never read this shit on a peer reviewed article, only on some minor website or irrelevant blog. Reminds me of how some people were convinced only men are capable of pedophilia a bit ago, when Dworkin used to rant about how the incest taboo against parent-child relations is a tool of the patriarchy.

No. 213532

>>213530
Just two threads off from this one and you got people claiming Dworkin "Changed their life", and people agreeing with that sociopath.
Once upon a time, people like Bitingbeaver were outed as the mentally unstable wretches they were, but nowadays people are at a level where they're incapable of separating legitimate gender issues from their fictions realities that exist nowhere outside of imageboards.

No. 213533

>>213532
Not that I’m defending Dworkin or anyone that actually supports what she said, but do you really believe misogyny doesn’t exist outside of image boards? You really think it isn’t an issue?

No. 213535

>>213533
>but do you really believe misogyny doesn’t exist outside of image boards? You really think it isn’t an issue?
I never said that, nor anything even resembling that.
I'm just saying that just like r9k draws their delusions from a closed off, imageboard-based vision that's fueled by people circlejerking their opinions, so do the posters claiming that men are incapable of empathy towards women.
No matter how loud that one poster is trying to cry "false equivalence", it's hilarious once you put those posts side by side with the r9k threads that start with phrases like "Women are LITERALLY incapable of feeling love like men do", with a slew of posts of agreement under that.

I'm not claiming that complete comprehension is possible, or even auspicable. What I'm saying is that you can't call the kettle black when you're blacker than a coal mine.

No. 213536

>>213533
Misogyny absolutely exists in reality and absolutely is a problem. Nobody is denying This at all - we've all experiences it. However, the "men feel no empathy towards women at all" is such a hypervolic generalisatio it's sparked this argument

No. 213537

>>213536
Jesus Christ my phone fucked me up here.

No. 213539

>>213524
>It's a biological fact that men do feel empathy towards women

Why don't they ever act like it, then?

No. 213540

>>213539
They only ever act like they have empathy when they have something from gain - for example, a relationship, but as soon as the partner stops doing what they want you see that empathy disappearing. You can see that in the amount of women being killed by their former partners. It's really pathetic some anons don't realize men are not capable of empathy. I'm not saying this because I despise men, I am married to one, but I am simply aware they will only have empathy towards women if it benefits them, statistics speak for themselves, the amount of men who kill women (and other men) speaks louder than any words. Men are socially taught to have way less empathy than women. I'm not sure how genetics work in this. Some might say women are just predisposed genetically to feel more empathy. I can't say for sure because there are few to none studies about this.

No. 213544

>>213477
because society hates women, and now that there's a small amount of people who live on the depts of tumblr trolling about how they hate men, now men use it as an excuse to justify their sexism and treat women like shit and then run around screaming how they're the oppressed gender anytime there's a crime, anytime a woman does something, etc…

anytime a man does a crime, men scream how he would easily be let go
when a woman does the same crime, even if she gets more time than a man does for a similar, men come in screaming how she only got a "short sentence" because she's a woman
anytime a woman has standards for men, the same men who bash women for a single zit, not having a kim k ass, not having porn star tits, etc, they of course act oppressed when women have even the smallest standard and then claim that those women want equality when they don't even know these women, they just of course want to act like they're the ones being oppressed

shoeonhead for example, she always promotes body positivity for men all the while bashing men and then has the nerve to claim that feminists are sexist when honestly I've never seen a feminist shame a mans looks while promoting body positivity for women

it's even funnier because it's these same people who claim you can be anti feminist but pro equality, all while doing the exact opposite, treating men like poor little oppressed babies that are being oppressed by big bad women, anytime you call someone out for bashing women, or just being disgusting in general , they just claim that you're a feminist who hates men and wants them to suffer, as someone who was an anti feminist for a few years, this is the biggest reason why I left them, biggest hypocrites on the planet

No. 213547

>>213544
>I've never seen a feminist shame a mans looks while promoting body positivity for women
Then you honestly should open your eyes a bit wider. Like christ I swear to god the small dick insult is one of the most overdone bits around. They may be less likely to attack a guy for a pot belly but it's damn well common for women to attack a mans sexual success, or lack thereof as a substitute for an argument which is pretty much the same beast.

No. 213549

>>213547
hang yourself, idiot.

No. 213550

>>213547
>b-but muh dick!!
go back to r9k you fucking limp dick faggot

No. 213551

>>213544
All of this. Society fucking despises women. Men can focus all they want on tumblr feminists and girls on twitter with their ironic misandry, but when they step outside in the real world they aren’t hated, belittled, seen as inferior, or seen as less than human. Men will literally TELL you that they think women are inferior, too emotional to function, some even compare them to animals. And we aren’t supposed to be upset by that. Just smile and laugh so it looks like you can take a joke. Even though after years of hearing the same shit you KNOW it isn’t a joke.

And then men want us to believe that it’s women who call the shots, and women are oppressing them. Their idea of oppression is the woman they want choosing to sleep with a dude that’s taller than them.

It just fucking disgusts me that misogyny is so widely accepted and even encouraged in most circles. I don’t want to whine about unfair that feels because who cares, you can’t do anything to change it and you just have to suck it up and live with it. But for me personally it has started to wear on me and I can barely take it anymore. What’s the point in living in a world that hates you and sees you as useless outside of the kitchen and the nursery? Being a woman is a fucking joke. It’s a curse.

No. 213552

>>213551
Overall the difference is: women rarely dehumanize men the way men do to women. There aren’t entire movements preaching that men are less than human animals that should have their rights revoked and will never contribute anything to the world because they’re so inferior so they might as well be subjugated. There just aren’t.

No. 213553

>>213547
but is it the feminists that are screaming equality are the ones that saying small dick is an insult?

>They may be less likely to attack a guy for a pot belly but it's damn well common for women to attack a mans sexual success, or lack thereof as a substitute for an argument which is pretty much the same beast.


yeah maybe within a high school, but in real life, no one cares

No. 213554

>>213547
more proof no one cares if a man is a virgin or not

No. 213555

>>213553
Honestly in my experience it's mostly men making fun of other men for being a virgin (online at least.) I only ever see men calling other men "cucks" or "betas." (Obviously cuck is different but it's still an insult based on a man's masculinity and sexual prowess so I see it as similar but not exactly the same.)

No. 213556

>>213553
>>213554
Not the anon you were replying to, but how are videos of actors awkwardly going up to random people and telling them they're a virgin supposed to mean anything? Most of these kind of insults occur over internet arguments, both from men and women.

No. 213557

>>213555
pretty much, and it's always right wingers too, the ones who are complaining about how men are oppressed

>>213556
it rarely happens on the internet, and never happens in real life

No. 213558

Fuck me it's so great to have a site (or a thread) where you're allowed to get over all the "it's just a joke" and "you have it on easy mode" bullshit gaslighting and talk about everything. At first I thought it would extremize me, or that it was the same thing men were doing (lolcow and r9k are sides of the same coin!, etc…) but fuck that's all bullshit man. Going on places where women's voices are not policed by liberal feminists or "allies" has helped me see that this is not a personal issue, thus helping me with accepting it and moving on.

No. 213561

>>213558
Except there are still people in this thread saying it's not that bad and get over it because #notallmen.

Honestly, how do you accept it and move on? Any advice? Because I'm a few days away from putting a gun in my mouth.

No. 213563

>>213558
> Going on places where women's voices are not policed by liberal feminists or "allies"

Really? I mean, I've been accused here on this site for being a radfem, not that I see anything wrong with it but just the fact that radfem is thrown here as an insult, on an imageboard for women, speaks volumes.

But I agree that finding even a small number of other anons that think alike seems liberating. It's my guilty pleasure browsing r/wgtow not because I hate men, but I just want to be alone and never marry. I live in a small place where that's considered weird and lately, there's been more pressure on me to change my ways. I just want to become a proper cat lady, having hobbies and dedicating my life to things I like doing. It's immensely hard to find spaces for women without topics that include marriage, losing weight(there's nothing wrong with wanting to have a healthy lifestyle but I'm talking about looking hot for the sole purpose of attracting others), fighting aging, child raising and so on. It would be nice to have someone to discuss various topics, including daily misogyny here and then without others enforcing their opinion on you and telling you that you're wrong and that your experience clearly doesn't matter.

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>>213561
>I'm a few days away from putting a gun in my mouth.
This was me a few months ago. To be fair I don't think it ever fully goes away, but what helped me was reading old feminist literature like Beauvoir. The comfort came from recognizing patterns and behaviours described by her in 1960, in today's society, and seeing that although they are still present, they have become milder. Incels and TRP have always existed, and although the internet has connected them, it has done the same for women.

Another thing is the "feeling" that more and more women are getting fed up with this shit. The same way men realized that they must do more than be nice to obtain sex (such as appearing attractive to the woman that appears attractive to them) and bought into extremism, women will now react to men's reaction, and to a lesser degree to how weak our own co-opted movement has become.

No. 213566

>>213549
Now Anon, that's not very polite.

>>213553
>but is it the feminists that are screaming equality are the ones that saying small dick is an insult?
Some of them, yes? Certainly not all or even most. Most people give each other enough respect to attack their arguments rather than their body or other traits. My point is there are people of literally any view point that are willing to fight dirty.

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No. 213569

>>213567
Nothing is ever, ever good enough for men. We must be exactly what they want at that time or we are worthless. Women can never win.

No. 213571

>>213567
Here's a link to a ROK' article about women.

http://www.returnofkings.com/73131/women-must-have-their-behavior-and-decisions-controlled-by-men

In case you don't wish to click, here's the intro paragraph:

After a long period in society of women having unlimited personal freedom to pursue life as they wish, they have shown to consistently fail in making the right decisions that prevent their own harm and the harm of others. Systems must now be put in place where a woman’s behavior is monitored and her decisions subject to approval of a male relative or guardian who understands what’s in her best interests better than she does herself.

There are 475 comments and almost all of them, if not all, seem to agree with the author

No. 213573

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what the fuck happened to this thread

No. 213574

>>213567
>ghosting your girlfriend because she won't get a boobjob

god I wish I was a lesbian

No. 213575

>>213571
Has anyone developed a foolproof method for detecting men that subscribe to this irl yet?

No. 213576

>>213571
That's it, I'm killing myself lmao. The world is fucking shit.

No. 213577

>>213575
easy, they're hideous, fat, and pretend to be a dollar tree brand christian grey

No. 213579

>>213575
Yes: all of them do.

No. 213580

>>213579
this tbh

No. 213583

>>213579
I don't want to believe this,but I've found it's true.
No matter how nice, respectful, or "decent" a man seems, at the end of the day he'll always think he's better than you. It might take a while for it to slip out, but it's the truth.

No. 213584

>>213571
This stereotype is actually dangerous for women. Most TRP and /fit/ guys will groom and better themselves for the only purpose of using and shitting on women. Most Incels and /r9k/ are fat and ugly and still shit on women.

I think the signature characteristic that all wannabe hypermasculine misogynists share is their superiority complex and narcissism.

No. 213597

>>213567
And anons in the vent thread told me I was exaggerating when I said men treated me subhuman for having small breasts smh.

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>>213597
I know you mean anon, men always act personally victimized the second a womans body doesn't meet their standard

it's one thing to have high standards for whats big and whats not (some people even consider standard D cups small nowadays) but people go to extreme lengths just because they don't like a feature on a woman, it's bizarre

No. 213602

>>213600
This. No man will ever be satisfied with their partner's appearance. They all have ridiculously high standards.
If they tolerate to be in a relationship with someone who isn't exactly their ideal, first of all they'll be whiny and mopey the whole time and belittle their partner for not being perfect, and then as soon as they meet a woman who looks better they will jump ship and go for her, because to them looks are all that matters.
If you still have hope in men, its time to just give up.

No. 213605

>>213602
exactly, and then they complain when girls don't put out or send them nudes due to insecurity, who would want to show their body to men who dig for any flaw to find and bitch about behind her back? if they're sooo turned off by womens bodies and have to find a flaw on every womans body, they might as well just fuck men

No. 213609

>>213600
It's a good thing that I already want to kill myself kek. I don't want to believe that all men are like this (because all of these screen caps have been cherry picked from misogynous echo-chambers) but it is really hard not to. At least this idiot sort of acknowledges that living as a woman isn't exactly "Life on Easy Mode".

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>>213609
it's not so much cherry picking, it's just men nowadays are obsessed with judging bodies and get so offended when a woman doesn't look like a sex doll

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>>213613
why do men always bitch about womens bodies

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No. 213620

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https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163733591&page=2

he literally took a creepshot of some random girls ass, posted it on the internet for strangers to bash and make fun of her.. the sad thing is this isn't even the first time this has happened… her ass isn't even that bad looking?

No. 213622

Damn. This thread.

Sure am glad I have a dad and brothers who have always been cool and love and protect me. Never felt this way towards men beyond the odd few fuccbois.

No. 213626

>>213622
Also keep in mind that in times of internet it's very easy to generalize a whole group of random people based on screencaps. Just try to always judge people based on their actions instead, but I know that's hard.

No. 213628

>>213626
anon who posted the collage of screencaps here
I don't mean it in a way to "Generalize all men" but rather be more aware of men, because whether you like it or not, men are a dime a dozen, the ones who are chopping away at womens looks, ripping on the ones that love them behind their back, it just upsets me that these men get the satisfaction of someone loving as the tear the woman that loves him apart if she doesn't have a porn star body, it's unfair, and I think women should just 100% avoid these men, once they realize the more they do this they'll be lonely they'll either stop and grow up or keep being lonely, either way is good for me

No. 213629

>>213602
>>213605
You girls really need to find someone who isn't a piece of shit to date. No guy I've ever dated has been anything like this and I don't think they were that unusual people either.

No. 213631

>>213620
oh wtf her proportions do look really weird and she does have an unusually triangle shaped body for a woman but i dont see why that means she shouldnt wear short shorts and why it was so noteworthy that this guy had to post it online. people on bodybuilding are extra retarded and have no lives so this isnt surprising. you can genuinely see how this was the highlight of this guy's day though. his life is that boring lmao

No. 213632

>>213567
Damn, I've never encountered this and I got a small chest. I always thought the guys that go after huge chests tend to treat women like walking breasts, so no fucking loss for me. I really feel sorry for any girl who has naturally large breasts and is treated like meat by these garbage humans.

No. 213633

A little OT but guys aren't the only ones who pick apart women's appearances. Ancedotal but honestly the way other girls do it honestly makes me feel worse. Guys usually just go with ass/boobs/fat/sometimes a vague "ugly face", but girls are good at picking out the little things.

In general negative comments on women's appearances seems to be really prevalent regardless of the sex of who does it.

No. 213634

>>213632
>>213567
That's because it's very cherry picked, for every asshole guy who says this you can find five others that don't give a fuck what size their girlfriends boobs are as long as they love her.

No. 213635

>>213633
That's because men don't see us as anything else but walking boobs/ass and maybe, just maybe they even look at your face.

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No. 213638

>>213634
> for every asshole guy who says this you can find five others that don't give a fuck what size their girlfriends boobs are as long as they love her.

You're either naive or a guy pretending to be a girl. Men always have an issue with their gfs or wife's body. They may not be honest from the start but sooner or later, their true face will emerge and it will be ugly. I hear men constantly commenting their gfs body with their guy friends. The thing is, they don't see anything wrong with that. It's perfectly normal. The better looking girl they have, the better social status they get. Which is why their friend's opinion matters a lot and why they comment together. If they see a woman that has a better appearance, they will try to upgrade. Personality matters nothing to men.

No. 213639

>>213638
i'm glad that bitter women like you hate men so much you won't take the good ones. i honestly feel sorry for most people ITT because i have a happy loving relationship with a perfect man and i know none of you will because you are too insecure and generalize everyone else. men are not all one breed, many of us including me have many good men in our lives and the fact that people such as yourself keep trying to put other women down for trusting people who happen to be men is sickening.

No. 213640

>>213638
>Men always have an issue with their gfs or wife's body
This just isn't true in my experience, I am sorry if you've been with guys who put you down like that though, that shit sucks. Acting like all men are like this is pretty counterproductive in my opinion, it normalizes bad behavior and almost makes it seem okay, because "that's how men are, what can you do about it?" It causes men to not check their own behavior and less confident girls to put up with shit they shouldn't.

No. 213641

>>213632
small tits here, i agree with all of this. i also have noticed that literally every woman i encounter says that only pedos like small breasts and judge me and my relationships, despite the fact that i have large hips and thighs and an ass.

No. 213642

>>213639

Your "perfect" man will dump you as soon as you get old(er) while I'm working on my career and doing something important instead of being a colossal and literal cocksucker.

>>213640
How is being wary of men counterproductive? And I don't hate men, instead, I accept them for what they are.

No. 213643

>>213642
You sound like a redpiller type who talks about how he doesn't hate women, he just accepts that they're naturally shit.

No. 213646

>>213642

>you can't have a loving relationship while also having a carrier


Jesus christ fuck off back to tumblr.

No. 213647

>>213646

Having an actual career in science or academia requires a lot of sacrifices, including time and energy. Unless you're talking about a "career" like being a kindergarten teacher or pencil pushers or some office drone job, no then you're just brainlet. The only true careers are in science and academia. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that.

No. 213648

>>213647
nah dawg, you're just too basic to be able to juggle relationships, high octane careers and social life.

engineerfag here, git gud

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>>213647

>can't organize her life

>calling others brainlet

Now I'm starting to think that you're just a trolling robot.

No. 213650

>>213648
> git gud

I did. And I'm also the best. There are a lot of average stemfags, you need to have an edge over them.

> engineerfag


Engineering in what?

No. 213652

>>213647
>the only way to be fulfilled in life is having a scientific/academic career

No. 213653

>>213647
>what are business executives
>what are lawyers
That's just off the top of my head, but your claim that careers are only in science or academia doesn't really hold up.

No. 213654

>>213648

You'll be only valued and remembered if you achieve greatness. Being a doormat to a guy, popping out kids and scoring mediocre at a job won't. Greatness is achieved by hard work and dedication which leaves little room for social life and romance, whether you like to admit it or not. Perhaps now it doesn't seem that way but soon you'll come to that conclusion.

>>213653
I have no respect for those that you listed. Business executives and lawyers are corporate whores in most cases. There are some lawyers that work for the betterment of society but those are exceptions.

No. 213656

>>213654
also, I'm not bitter. I meant everything in a good way. I know way too many women that thought they found their mister right, and the relationship turned sour. Men are visual creatures, it's their biological imperative to seek healthy, young and beautiful mates. Sooner or later they act on their impulses. The hollywood scandals happened because those that can, will exert their power to get what they want. A young woman is to them a prize, a validation, a trophy. But you're more than welcome to take the risks. Just don't create bitter threads 20 years from now how all men are pigs and cheaters because you found him in an act with a young nanny Rosalita.

I cannot hate men and blame them for acting according to their nature.

No. 213657

>>213654
I've never understood the obsession of being remembered after you die. You won't be around to enjoy it, and it just means it'll take a few centers/millenniums longer for you to fade into forgotten irrelevance than an average joe. One thing I could understand is if you're trying to achieve something that will help improve people's lives for the future to come in a very significant way, but actually doing something like that takes as much luck as it does skill. Plenty of genius scientists aren't gonna be remembered very long either. Their research and achievements are just grains of sand in the overall scientific process with a helpful but minimal impact towards future research.

I'd say there are ways outside of the specific career paths you mentioned to be valued or remembered as well.

No. 213658

Stop derailing the fucking thread.

No. 213659

>>213501
>It isn't outrageous at all. They don't
Maybe in your life experiences that's true, but I really do know some men that don't make sweeping generalizations about women or hate them all irrationally. I feel like by pigeonholing every man as a woman hater, you're doing exactly the same thing.
I can't believe I'm actually saying "not all men", but they don't actually all "hate" us. Again, maybe that's true where you live, but I know good, feminist men. They are far and few, but they exist.

>>213504
>>213503
I know, it's kind of painful to read.

It's like how instead of being branded a terf because you voiced some gender critical concerns, here you must be a trespassing robot or internally misogynistic for believing that a handful of guys see women as people

Do men as a collective hate women : Yes, women are killed or abused by men worldwide and men joke about it or tell us it's our fault
Does literally every individual man on earth hate all woman and have no capacity to empathise with women or see them as people : No, literally just a gerneralisation. No number of anecdotes or incel-tier infographics can make that a fact.

No. 213661

>>213656
This and the opposite viewpoint are both just misunderstandings of the fact that most people are are pretty selfish and shitty. In general, people with different genders will develop some fairly gender-specific expressions of these selfish attributes, in part due to biology and in part due to vastly different social roles. Because the opposite sex is seen as an "other" and you can't relate yourself to them as easily, it's very easy to take all of their behaviors and create a negative characterization of them in your head that can be applied to all of them if you observe common negative behaviors from them. Whereas even if you observe common flaws in those of your own sex, you know what you are like and identify yourself with them due to your similar bodies, and therefore either won't form such a characterization or will experience significant cognitive dissonance if you do (see "not like the other girls" girls/women who claim to hate other women, as well as the kind of men who go out of their way to talk about how all men are awful).

This is the fundamental root of an overly negative view of the opposite sex. A man who cheats on his wife with younger women isn't a bad man, he's a bad person expressing it in a male specific way.

No. 213665

>>213658
the threads been derailed for months now mate

No. 213666

>>213656
so it's okay for men to complain when a select few women leave them for chad who actually treats them nice but not okay for women to make threads about men who treat them like shit and throw them to the side when they're no longer young stacies? This isn't the stone age, morals exist for a reason, men deserve all the hate they get for cheating and more

>cannot hate men and blame them for acting according to their nature.


what so now we can shit on the side of the road because its our an act from nature? again, we aren't cavemen, we should have evolved from treating partners like trash, it's funny how people only use the ~its our nature~ excuse for men acting like little shits, but nothing else, pathetic.

No. 213667

>>213661
>. A man who cheats on his wife with younger women isn't a bad man, he's a bad person expressing it in a male specific way.

so… he's a bad man?

No. 213668

>>213667
Yeah, I'm just saying he's not bad because he's a man, or because it's men's nature to be bad.

No. 213669

>>213640
where are these men who exist? I've honestly never seen a man who DIDN'T find a problem with their girlfriends or wives bodies

IE friends boyfriends, my dad, my ex boyfriends, even my current boyfriend

I'm not gonna say thats just how men are though, these men need to learn that their behavior has consequences, want to be a shit tier bf and treat your gf/wife like shit? then you wont be a bf at all then.

>>213641
lol what? where do you live? I have small tits, wide hips, big ass and big thighs and yet the only time people mentioned pedophilia in my relationships was the fact I'm short and look 14 and people make jokes about it, not "literally every woman"

No. 213671

>>213669
I guess it's a subjective experience kind of thing. I've never heard my dad say something like that about my mom, or any male relatives for that matter. My bf hasn't and I know he's not saying stuff like that about me to others either. I don't doubt plenty of guys talk like that to their friends, but I've never heard it firsthand and I've never listened in on an all-guys chat. All behavior like this that I've seen has been online.

No. 213672

>>213671
where do you live anon? I live in a p conservative place, and of course it's always right wingers who do this

No. 213673

>>213672
I live in Alabama but it's a somewhat more liberal part than the rest, I'd guess.

No. 213675

>>213661
are you that fucking sperg from the dead vent thread? it would make sense since you're spouting the same pseudo-psychology bullshit.

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Love trying to be optimistic about men, telling myself they actually don't hate women and then immediately seeing shit like this.

No. 213686

>>213684
I bet this is the same type of man who wants women to baby him to, pathetic. unless he's gay, of course that would make sense though

No. 213689

>>213684
Which sub?

No. 213697

>>213689
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/7biihc/til_on_october_24_1975_90_of_icelands_female/

A normal sub that has nothing to do with hating women, but ends up being about that anyway because men just can't help but shit on women and make them feel worthless and subhuman. This must be that empathy people in this thread were talking about, huh?

No. 213703

>>213697
>>213697
I like how you conveniently ignore all the downvotes on those posts just because they don't fit your misogynist dystopia delusion.
Your constant cherry picking of outliers and incel subs is tantamount to watching the comment section on a Daily Stormer article, and concluding that the whole planet must be Republican.

No. 213704

>>213702
calm down, they're bummed over the fact someone wrote these, reading it pisses people off even if there's more downvotes believe it or not!

No. 213705

>>213704
There's horrible people who think horrible things and this will always be the case. Spending time getting upset that they exist isn't worth your time and emotional expense.

No. 213707

>>213705
okay, when you read something that bashes something you stand for, you get angry, it's a natural human response

No. 213708

>>213647
> I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that.

Accountancy, Law, Business management, banking…?

Why are you such a giant bitch? You remind me mystery with this obsessive neurotic bullshit.

No. 213711

>>213708
These are not "real" careers because they are all soulless corporate bitches according to her. Scientists and academia achieve something REAL. Or something.

Despite wanting to contribute and be valued/remembered she seems to entirely discount art, even though a sizeable percentage of people who get valued and remembered in history for their contributions are successful artists and musicians.

No. 213712

>>213711
Not to mention that, if it's on your own terms, there is nothing wrong with a simple life. To discount someone's worth because they work in a diner or have children is classist and pretty anti-humanitarian.
It's fine if they want to achieve one kind of greatness but for another person that might just mean caring for a dog. They sound so bitterly nlog imo.

No. 213713

>>213712
You want to be happy in life and not work yourself to death for a vague fantasy of glory? What a simple-minded peasant you are.

No. 213722

>>213622
Thats because you are their family. Your loving and protective father and brothers probaby treat other women like shit too. Men have no empathy, only possessiveness

No. 213724

>>213722
No. Again, you are posting generalizations
I'm not the anon with the brothers, but I have nice male friends as well as good family members, or dads of friends. I'm sure you're going to tell me they're just waiting to get into my pants or how maybe I'm so ugly that see me as a man or some other convoluted idea, but you're completely irrational.
You have a world view that you can't rationally justify, you don't know the men in my life. You don't know every man on the planet.

No. 213725

>>213722
Don't bother explaining anything to them anon. They won't see the truth until it's too late. It's not nice of them that they try to make other fellow anons lower their guard to men. Men are predatory and they will strike when you're at your weakest and tear you apart.

No. 213728

>>213724
Of course you won't hear any of the negative thing, you are a woman. They won't tell you all the demeaning things they tell other guys about the women in their lives. But the guys in your life absolutely talk shit about women, just when you aren't around. I can't count anymore how many times I've overhead men talk shit about their wives or other women when their family isn't around.

No. 213729

>>213722
>Thats because you are their family. Your loving and protective father and brothers probaby treat other women like shit too.
That's implying that women are even safe from their own family. My mom came home drunk one night, not too long ago, and admitted through tears that 3 of her older brothers sexually molested her when she was a child and that she's kept it bottled up inside for her entire life. Now when I'm at family gatherings, I stop and remember what she told me whenever I feel inclined to look at my uncles like their good people.

I'm not saying it's all of them, but you'd be surprised at what the men in your lives could be hiding from you.

No. 213730

>>213728
I hear plenty of women shittalk men in their lives behind their backs. This is hardly a gender specific thing.

No. 213731

>>213730
Never heard any women talk about which man they would like to rape, how to coerce their partner into doing things, how they would dump their partner for a more attractive women, which plastic surgery they would like their partner to get, nor have I ever talked with my female friends about things like that. However I have heard plenty of men talk about shit like that casually. The "trash talk" women talk about men usually stems in being mistreated or not appreciated. Women will talk about how useless their husband is for not contributing in the house, men will complain about their wifes body not matching their standards anymore.

No. 213732

>>213731
What men are you listening to? I've never heard a guy out of his teens making body comments and never heard the rape/coercion shit. I HAVE heard women talk about how they'd dump their partner for a more attractive man, though not very often to be fair. Usually complaints I hear from men are being not appreciated or mistreated even if it's bullshit, same as women.

No. 213735

>>213731
>Never heard any women talk about which man they would like to rape
Yeah, this isnt actually a thing.

>men will complain about their wifes body not matching their standards anymore.

Women do this too, what world do you live on? A woman is going to be frustrated if her husband lets his body goes and dresses like a slob and gets a beer belly going on.

No. 213736

>>213684
Your proof that men hate women is one guy saying stupid shit while he gets downvoted while the guy saying that women are people is getting upvoted.

I mean, do I really need to break down why this is a really shitty example?

No. 213737

>>213736
>one guy
Look at the usernames.

No. 213738

>>213735
Guys will stay friends with rapist and joke about the rape. I know a guy who fucked a 14 year old, and he and his friends constantly talk about it finding it funny. Hell, here a facebook group where men "joked" about rape and fucking teens had 36000 members before it got shut down.

No. 213739

>>213736
Because more likely than not, the person saying that women are people, is a woman herself and getting upvotes from other women for obvious reasons. Stop trying to play mental gymnastics, men will never view women as humans. You see their opinion on women in practice every day.

You think I wouldn't like that men viewed us as humans?

No. 213740

>>213739
And even when men say otherwise, it's entirely different from practice.

No. 213741

>>213738
Adding that I live in a so called "feminist liberal socialist" country, not in a "backwards third world rape" country. Even here its normalised to talk about women like meat.

No. 213742

>>213737
Oh sorry, 3 guys who were all downvoted were saying stupid shit, while 2 guys saying women are people too were upvoted. Because that changes everything.

>>213739
>Because more likely than not, the person saying that women are people, is a woman herself and getting upvotes from other women for obvious reasons.
What a silly conclusion. Your hypothesis requires that either the sub is dominated by women overwhelmingly which is incredibly unlikely, or that all men are ignoring their exchange.

No. 213743

>>213728
>>213738
Sure, maybe I can imagine the feminist men in my life complaining that they don't know what their girlfriends want from them or being frustrated because they don't agree with their mother or something emotional like any normal person, but these people see women as people and wouldn't secretly discuss who they would rape. You don't know these people, I do.

You're insane in how black and white you see it. Again, I'll agree 70-95% percent of men act like you say, less or more depending on the group of men, but never 100%.
What can you hope to achieve by convincing women that all men are would-be rapists without the slightest bit of compassion for women? You want to completely isolate us so that we stop even trying, or what?

You clearly live in a hard world where you've been hurt, but that doesn't make you right.

No. 213744

>>213742
You can't prove I'm wrong either.

No. 213746

>>213744
This is absurd and I'm pretty sure you damn well know that.

You are making wild assumptions about who must be voting to fit your world view, rather than changing your world view to fit new information. I sure hope you arent that same anon who claimed only STEM matters in life.

No. 213749

>>213697
The controversial comments on this lmao

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>>213749
Some of them are underappreciated.

No. 213760

>>213703
They aren’t outliers though. The outliers are the ones who actually say it out loud. This is everyday for places like reddit, which has one the largest user bases. You go into a normal sub with a normal post but if that post mentions women at all you can except 20+ comments just like, usually they ARENT downvoted.

These aren’t bots writing this shit. These are real men, who also exist outside of the internet. And most of them either think those things, or passively don’t find them reprehensible because it doesn’t hurt them regardless.

The people pointing out how wrong the statements were 99% likely women, I don’t know any man who gives enough of a fuck to challenge those sentiments.

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337.

God the empathy and respect! I can feel it from here.

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>>213760
Lol, I took a quick look at the post histories of both of the users defending women for the fuck of it. Pic related is definitely female. The other one makes a good amount of posts defending women and making comments than could be considered anti-male (men are more violent, do the most killing, etc.) Also mentioned being raped, and subsequently slandered by a man a few years back. Huge chance that's a woman too.

No. 213771

>>213769
Not surprising. Men would never defend women like that, either because they agree or they can't bring themselves to care about another man dehumanizing half of the world's population.

And for what? Why are women so bad to these people? And yet they are blind to all of the bad things that men do too. People literally cheering the 'extinction' and obsoleteness of women with the coming of sexbots and "artificial wombs" (which will never exist for average consumers in this lifetime.)

What the fuck did women ever do? I need one of these pieces of shit to answer that for me. Because I'm fed up of having to see this every day.

No. 213774

>>213771
>What the fuck did women ever do?

I've been trying to put myself in the skin of a rhetorical man as a mental exercise for quite some time now, as I wish to know the answer as well:

1. Disgust and hate for women is caused by percieved weakness in us that in itself is provoked by the reproductive burden we didn't choose. It is just how it works in our species, still, no one likes weakness except in those that are not yet fully developed. Like this woman is an oxymoron, weak and an adult. Men can only understand its inevitableness and effects if they are educated on it from the beginning.

2. Men dislike women for being weak, but hate them even more, when despite their weakness, they dare rise above. They feel threated by someone that is allowed to do all they can in our current society and seemingly doesn't need their affection or dick as much as they need women.

No. 213775

Guys this is "the obsession with teenagers" thread….

No. 213777

>>213774
You're not going deep enough. I've noticed a subtle undercurrent whenever men out their grievances, it usually traces back to some form of needing control over how and when women reproduce. They don't see that as a sign of weakness, in fact that makes them a touch jealous.

No. 213794

>>213777
What makes them jealous? What do men have to be jealous of? They can do pretty much whatever they want, they’re already assumed to be competent and intelligent, and society doesn’t constantly shit on them as being weak or worthless.

No. 213795

>>213732
>>213730
people always say this but don't give any examples, I have plenty of female friends and none of them have said anything close to this, I'm convinced the whole "girls do it too!!!" is all BS people say to convince us that it happens when in reality it doesn't

>>213735

>"Women do this too, what world do you live on? A woman is going to be frustrated if her husband lets his body goes and dresses like a slob and gets a beer belly going on."


barely, even if they do men can lose weight a lot easier than women can as well as not dressing like a drunk old dad, with women if they want their body to match their mans standards, a lot of it would involve spending thousands on plastic surgery, I wouldn't even compare the two

No. 213796

>>>213794
Have you ever been told by a man that women (and subsequently you, since this is often used as a devaluing tactic) control everything, as they have the ability to choose who procreates? With no thought given to how men approach the women they like first. It's actually men that choose which women procreate, but that doesn't mean anything, to them it's all about passing down their Y.
That's what hurts them I think. The fact that they can't just force someone to like them or have their kids anymore.They're really jealous of other men who get to reproduce, but they take the anger generated by that out on the women that chose that man.

No. 213798

>>213796
pretty much, it seems as if most of these incels have high expectations for women but put little or no effort into themselves all while expecting women to flock to them as if it's the 1800s and men could just buy women to marry, rape, then throw to the side once they get bored, and now they act as if it's some kind of male oppression now that women are actually people

No. 213800

>>213795
Gee it's almost like women (and men) are human beongs and no ones anecdotal evidence can actually paint an accurate picture of how an entire sex acts.

No. 213802

>>213800
It's almost like men painted their own picture throughout history. When someone shows you who they are, for thousands of years, believe them!

No. 213803

>>213798
But still…why? They don’t even like women, they despise us and think we’re worthless, they don’t even seem to enjoy sex for the actual connection or physical enjoyment, because how could you enjoy being that close to something you despise ?

I just don’t understand. If it really is because they can’t get women, I kind of get that but still…why would they even care if they hate women so much? If I hated men the logical conclusion would be to avoid them and not seek them out at all.

Sorry for questioning so much but I’d really like to understand. It goes against all of what is common sense to me.

No. 213804

>>213803

sour grapes

No. 213805

>>213794
>What makes them jealous?
That they can't create life without women.

No. 213809

>>213805
Women can’t create life without men either and yet I rarely talk to women and hear them say how worthless men are and how they contribute nothing to the species. Still makes no sense.

No. 213810

>>213803
I think they just enjoy building and then destroying. They like to destroy confidence in women, they like to see us hurt and cry and in pain. Men thrive on having women fear them. They can't wait to raise their hands at women for whatever reason. Just look at all the subredits that exist, from CuteFemaleCorpses to other gore sites where the primary focus is on women that were brutally killed and preferably tortured before that.

And the reason is that they don't view us as humans. They want fresh young girls to abuse and dispose of when they reach a certain age and then repeat the process. They tolerate young girls because they see them as still pure and innocent. Women above the 25 age threshold are old to them and useless. So they won't hesitate to remind those women of how they feel about them.

Just read this case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

I don't remember which subreddit it was but a lot of men where finding the story hot. I think there's a hentai version of it out there. That's how worthless we are to men.

No. 213811

>>213809
I mean, some women do go on about parthenogenesis and all that, but it's a realtively small minority that has the guts to vocalize it, and they're taken as crazy, while videos of artifficial wombs hit 500k views lol.
The difference is that men view it as a RIGHT they should have, because they're men, aka taller, more muscular and not as hindred by their sexual part. That's it, that's why all this is the way it is. This goes back to the greeks and woe is me for being born from a filthy woman, but they never gave a thought to woman's own stronger existential crisis.

No. 213823

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>>213803
>>213803
Easy, men are idiots

One minute they find everything wrong with womens looks, getting ready to dump a woman they consider perfect over one flaw
Next minute they claim how natural is better,no women should get surgery, they want to fuck women, etc

One minute we are nothing but useless subhumans unless we're pretty
Next minute they want us to cook, clean, work and support them and have their kids as well as demanding we give them sex and companionship and then bitch about how the women they treat like shit don't want to be around them

Pic kinda related? A woman was fired for having her period and leaking on the office seats by accident, found this dumbass comment

No. 213827

>>213823
You can leak with pads as well. This person is either a man or a dumbass.

I try so so so hard not to be pessimistic about men. I really do. I expect nothing and I'm still disappointed.

No. 213828

Can we just make a man-hate thread already?

No. 213829

>>213828
Upvoted.

No. 213831

>>213823
Why are men like this? Why do they hate us this much?

No. 213834

>>213775
They can't hear you over the noise of how they keep posting the exact same thing, like >>213831

>>213828
Please, take your circlejerk somewhere else since neither of you listen to rational logic and continue to parrot the same stuff in reply. Just don't try to call it a feminist thread when you don't even see women and men equally or want change

No. 213835

>>213834
I love how you have more of a problem with them bitching about men than you do with shit like >>213767 and >>213684.

Telling.

No. 213838

>>213835
That is them bitching about men. They're posting random screenshots that aren't related to this thread. It sucks because saying horrible things to dehumanize a group of people always sucks, but it's ot even for an ot thread and needs to fuck off to it's own thread.

No. 213839

>>213838
Posting random screenshots of men who fucking HATE women. And then you're freaking out at >>213831 for asking WHY they hate us that fucking much. My point was, you're more annoyed at them questioning men than you are about men saying that women are WORTHLESS and might as well die.

>It sucks because saying horrible things to dehumanize a group of people always sucks,

I mean apparently it only sucks if the group in question is men? Men can continue to dehumanize women and no one will question it, no big deal. Women who get upset about it are just bitching and need to shut up I guess.

Hey ladies, we're worthless. Might as well kill ourselves already.

No. 213840

The world fucking HATES women and I can't wait to fucking leave it. It's all a big fuckin joke, women are sooooo worthless so why the fuck are we even here? Just to be laughed at and act as literal and metaphorical punching bags for men. FUCK IT.

No. 213841

>>213838
Lust after young girls, the media fixation with teenagers and the mistreatment of women that are "past their primes" is essentially tied to misogyny which is the topic most anons were discussing. It seems that it's you that has a problem.

How about you fuck off to you know which sites and create misogyny threads there? I think it would be your cup of tea.

>>213839

> Hey ladies, we're worthless. Might as well kill ourselves already.


I think that's the best course of action. This world really sucks for us.

No. 213842

>>213835
Right, so because I don't believe that literally every man says those things, that means that I'm ok with those things being said ever? Nice way to put words in my mouth. Gee it's almost like when a misogynistic man says that literally all women are feeble minded or something.
Fuck off to a new thread.

>>213839
Same thing again as above to you, make a new thread

No. 213843

>>213842
Keep making excuses for misogynists and telling us it's not that bad. They will always think you're worthless too, sorry.

No. 213844

>>213841
>I think that's the best course of action.
It truly is. I can't wait until I get the balls to do it. Fuck this.

No. 213845

>>213841
To add, this fixation with teenagers fuels the cosmetic industry that is built on women's insecurities. The constant fight against time, wrinkles, and cellulite. We know we can't fight time, only slow down its effects. Men feel entitled to have a good looking slave, they hate change, they hate when women change even if they can't control it.

If a man could score with a teenager, they would.

No. 213846

Just recently a family friend of mine, my grandfather's brother put his wife into an elderly home (because she got Alzheimer's) and found himself a younger woman. So, she's not a teenager but in her 20s.

You can try to deny it however you wish but we've all seen it happen. Men will if they can discard their old wife or gf for a younger one. They drool over teenagers.

And we have all experienced, more or less during our teenage years men hitting on us and telling us inappropriate things more so than in any other age range. Men are animals yet they consider us the cattle.

Men see it as their right to have a young girl to do as they please and they get angry if they don't.

No. 213847

>>213844
Nice plan, you female incel

>>213843
Point to where I made excuses for misogynistic pricks in that post, literally where? You're delusional.

No. 213848

>>213847
Nice of you to mock someone who is suicidal but what else do i even expect? What's one less woman in the world anyway. Since we aren't contributing anything.

No. 213850

>>213847
How can you be so cold-hearted? You must be a man. Only a man is incapable of empathy towards women.

No. 213851

You guys really need to stop looking at all these sexist posts and gender war discussions. Misogyny exists and a lot of guys are like that and it sucks, but spending too much time looking and focusing on it makes it feel more prevalent than it is and really fucks with your head. It's incredibly unhealthy for your mental state. Stop frequenting websites with misogynistic talk, if there are sexist guys or guys who put you down in your life cut them out. Focus on the good things in your life, developing good friendships with people who value you, achieve what you want to achieve. If someone hates you for it then fuck them. All anyone can do is just try to life their life.

No. 213852

>>213851
>Stop frequenting websites with misogynistic talk

So, all of them? Because even websites that have nothing to do with gender are riddled with misogyny. Facebook, twitter, youtube, reddit, every imageboard.

No. 213853

>>213851
Fuck off and stop tr