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>>213885>>213885>The reason this thread was made was to remove posters who said that rare good men existed
it was made to keep our misandry discussion out of the teen thread
> so shouldn't this just say "men"? Wasn't that the big point?
it's a super rarity to find men who are worthwhile, but I mean guys who won't talk shit behind your back, make you feel insecure, belittle you, pressure you into constant sex or sex related things, just misogynists in general, if we continue to reject these men, then eventually they'll have to start being more open minded and less bitchy
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Maybe I don’t belong in this thread but…. I just can’t bring myself to say that I hate men. It’s just not something that I feel to my core. I hate how much men hate women, and I very much wish that wasn’t the case, but I still just…don’t hate them.
However I do avoid them. Not out of hatred, but I guess fear of disappointment or self preservation. I would hate to fall for a man and genuinely care for him and think he’s “different” only to discover that he hates women and views me as worthless aside from a cock holster. My heart would break but I would also feel incredibly stupid and naive. So it’s best to just not.
I don’t think that men care how bad misogyny feels, and I think they can’t help but be misogynists so there’s no point in trying to discuss women’s humanity with them. You just kind of have to let them do their thing, and if you don’t want to be subjected to constant reminders that they think you’re useless and they wish they could replace you with a literal object, you just have to do your own thing.
Overall, don’t hate men. Just very saddened by men. Mostly because I’ve been a hopeless romantic my entire teen years and now I’m 22 and I see that I was living in a fantasy land, obviously. Men aren’t really like that, they don’t see as us equals and from there the hatred, disrespect, and belittlement stems.
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I'm glad this thread exists. But if you look back at the teen thread, the rift wasn't hating on men (since men are mostly to blame for the teenage obsession and so most of the thread was about). The problem was the divide between people like you and anons that instead attacked girls for believing ANY individual man could be compassionate or feminist or for having similar hopes for the future that you are having, and called them misogynists
Anyway, I agree with you so I'm sorry for going OT on your clean thread
Don't give up the good fight, accepting that 'men can't help it' is defeat, don't let men live in blissful ignorance of our suffering
Let me guess - this guy would be one of those "loving" husbands, right?
Sure thing buddy. God damn I hate these people.
I wanna run him over with my lambo and have his ass get saved by a female doctor
SMH talking all kinds of "women can never be higher than men" shit, what does this guy do anyway? flip fucking burgers? ha
agreed, not to mention they will go on rampages, there has even been several shootings and suicides from when men got cheated on once, this is the type of shit women deal with from several guys and get told "it's just male nature"
men are weak, if it's one thing I know they hate it's to taste their own medicine
But why shouldn't she, if women are as he says they are? So that she can leave to please him? He wants to talk all that shit, the logical conclusion of what he's saying is that women are basically worthless. He can't blame her for internalizing that.
These dudes are worthless trash. I highly doubt this guy does anything important for society.
Can someone post a link to the thread?
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Yes because men are getting arrested for saying hello to women everyday and sexual harassment rarely happens /s
It's hilarious to me that any time women's issues are discussed they get defensive and make it about themselves. If you don't sexually harass anyone, why are you getting defensive? I don't get defensive as a white person when I hear people discuss white people being racist because I know I'm not racist so they don't mean me.
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I literally can't even find a reason to live being a woman. It seems so hopeless.
I hate that no matter what I do I'll never be good as a man. People always view men as more competent, more intelligent, and just..better. And they love reminding of that fact. They can't even just enjoy their superiority, they have to shove it in our faces every single day and kick us while we're down. I hate it.
Everytime I think I'm going to be fine and I can just get over it, I see more misogynistic shit being agreed with and encouraged and I just know it's a lost cause. It will never get better, men will always hate us and even worse, they will always delight in reminding us just how much they really do hate us.
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try and look for the dumbest or most pathetic post you can find and post it here
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"us bots are nice guys and stacies use and abuse us to complain about chads!!!!" kek
I've seen an interesting talking point come up a few times - that women have some type of collective Stockholm syndrome towards men. It makes sense when you look of it in terms of how women defend them "oh come on men aren't so bad. There are a few
i.e. gaining sympathy for the captor over perceived acts of kindness within a dangerous situation
In my opinion it's more that they need to tell themselves that and convince themselves in order to go on. Maybe they desire marriage or children one day, so they need to believe that there are good men out there that they can do that with.
But…uh. Good luck finding one.
sometimes I get down about this kind of thing too anon (especially when I spend too much time on 4chan), and usually what I remember to make myself feel better is that a lot of these men DON'T think they're better than us. Maybe in a few superficial ways, but they think women have it easy (see: >>213948
) and hate how expendable they are (because whether they like it or not, men ARE more disposable than women.) Think about men who go off to fight for their country and then get cast aside when they return, or how way more men than women are homeless. I'm not saying that to make you sympathize with or pity men, I'm just saying that things are NOT perfect for them and you shouldn't feel bad just because some fucking loser on 4chan knows how worthless he probably is and is lashing out at women online to make himself feel better.
I don't think that's true anymore.
Once, having a raging hate for the other gender was usually caused by a legitimate trauma during life, or actual issues in one's social development.
But thanks to the internet, you can now get entrenched in any extreme position without having any real reason to.
Whatever you believe, you will find it validated, no matter how damaging it is for yourself.
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Thanks anon….I figured I wasn't alone just because it's so prevalent. It really doesn't help that I know a lot of robot-type guys in real life, and I come on the internet to escape some of the people/situations in my life and I feel like it's even worse most of the time. Idk I feel like I can tell myself the guys on the internet are total losers, but I don't think that's true due to some of the men I know in real life who are doing quite well but just hate women and love to remind me of it. I go through phases where I can handle it a little bit better but overall it's just exhausting, and I've had a terrible week in regards to this subject so I'm worn out and just needed to vent.
At the end of the day…I don't know why I care. I guess I just want to one day be appreciated for what I do, seen as worthy and competent by most people around me (I put in a lot of work to be successful at what I do, but I still feel like I'm seen as weak/inferior and am not taken as seriously), and I often feel like it's a lost cause for women and we will always be seen as 'lesser' and missing some crucial part of humanity by a large portion of men (most of the people in my field are men, part of why I care so much.) It's like even when a woman accomplishes something or does well for herself, men are always like "well guess what men did XYZ so she's still worthless and her accomplishments mean nothing."
Idk overall I know I need to remove myself from situations and try not to let these things bother me and exacerbate my depression and anxiety. I know I need to double down on my work and find more solitary hobbies (I think stepping away from men/assholes in general and focusing on bettering myself is something I need to do.) But I say all of these things and acknowledge I need to do them but I get up the next morning and see 5x more of this shit and I'm immediately back where I started, feeling pessimistic and completely hopeless about life and myself as a woman. Deep down I know these things only bother me and make me hate living because I allow them to. I need to stop letting them.
Anyway, sorry for kind of word vomiting here. But I appreciate your reply. I will say that lolcow has helped me a bit, even if it's just because I can vent all of my problems and be as in depth as possible like I can't in real life. I love a lot of you guys and I feel like most of you understand and we share similar struggles. It helps to know you aren't alone, so thanks anon.
Generally it's because they put the blame on the woman for not looking into her crystal ball and knowing ahead of time that the guy was a piece of shit that would leave her.
Of course there is cases where you should've thought twice about having a kid with that stoner working at a gas station, but the hate for single moms comes from the unfair assumption that 100% of them are one of such cases.
They hate any woman who makes herself undateable by their standards, and will find any excuse to blame her. The go to reason is that she's an idiot for not choosing the perfect guy to get impregnated by, and a bad partner for not single handedly ensuring the relationship lasts.
Of course, they will find a bunch of stats to prove that single mums are worse than single dads. But they ignore the fact that single dads usually have to go out of their way to get custody and demonstrate that they're responsible and financially stable enough, whereas single mums end up that way by circumstance whether they're ready or not. No shit someone in the latter situation isn't as likely to do a great job of raising a kid.
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same, I got PCOS which causes irregular periods and always start my period during the day, I'm not gonna wear 3 pads everyday for the rest of my life just so this annoying little boy can feel better knowing my menstrual blood wasn't on a seat
even the first line of what this kid said make me cringe like crazy, I'd pull it apart to explain how ridiculous and wrong it is to call women who leak through their pad "nasty lazy skanks who run around and leak everywhere", but everyone already knows
>>213995>some guy thought it was funny to tap her shoulder, have her look, and then put his penis on her other shoulder for her to look when she turned her head again
Maybe I'm not picturing it right, but I can't form a feasible image in my mind from which that would be possible, height-wise, even with your mother sitting down.
sorry i'm drunk and mad at my relatives.
she would sit down, the man would approach her from behind, and tap her shoulder. she'd turn her head and there would be nothing there. when she'd turn her head to look back at the screen in front of her, she'd either notice the dick on the opposite shoulder or he'd tap her again.
this was among many "pranks" they did to her, including offering her $500 to have sex with some disgusting italian mafioso asshole.
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daily reminder that men commit over 90% of violent crime, including about 99% of rape
>>214009>>214004>men are logical and factual, women are emotional
lmao a dude that i knew threatened to kill the bf of a girl that rejected him. Not emotional at all.
Also the guys that says shit like that is always the most autistic fucks you can find. They have never had a girlfriend or even just had a regular conversation with a woman. They always lose their shit if a woman disagrees with them
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Men get so pissed when you point this out. Men are all about facade. They build up an image of being protectors of women yet women are most likely to get murdered by her male partner or male family member.
Women are also more likely to be raped by someone they know/trust.
But hey, they're totally
our protectors and not the real threat! Screw all that strong independent woman shit! We just need a different set of protectors to protect us from our protectors when they fail at protecting us. /s
It's the most tired, straight up wrong meme around. Doing slightly better in standardized logic tests does NOT accurately reflect the way you respond to things, and men are far more likely than women to have emotional outbursts and issues with serious consequences for other people. Crimes of passion, fighting in general, rape, etc and though it's not their fault, they're more likely to kill themselves and develop addictions. They do not handle feelings well.
But, since it's more socially acceptable for women to cry in public and occasionally do, that's somehow more relevant emotional behaviour than causing others physical harm in anger. >>214008
Here's some more stats, just in regards to the conviction rate for children killed by their biological mothers - http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/statistics.html>Fact: ALL ABUSE: Children living with only their mothers: 18.1 per 1,000 children. Children living only with their fathers: 31.0 per 1,000."
Women have higher numbers through sheer volume because they're more likely to be single parents and spend the most time with their kids, but they're not more likely to harm them.
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>grouping up all men into one single collectivist group instead of judging people on an individual level
this thread is just inverted /r9k/ and r/incels
I do judge people on an individual level. I've known a few good men.
But men as a group? Utter trash.
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this entire thread is just sad.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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War at its best is an asset to civilization. No peace can exist without war.
And war, in its ideal form, only kills those dirty "male subhumans", so what's so bad about that?
If you glorify it so much, then go to war, faggot. On the front lines. And die.
I'm not going to even justify reading this shitpost about the Greeks and ~Ares the god of war~ or something. You idiots are like roleplayers and don't know anything about the consequences in the real world. Go to any country that's been ravaged by men in war and try living there.
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Lol, you're not going to read it? Even though it doesn't even put Ares in a completely positive, or that it shows war in the present is flawed due to how obscenely high the stakes are.
War isn't some magical bogeyman that haunts humanity but can be gotten rid of somehow through great effort. War ought to be recognized as an inevitable fact of life, and should be tamed so that it becomes more akin to a simple game used to settle disputes. The Greeks recognized this.
Anyway, if I was a better individual I'd certainly go to war if it was required of me. A fear of death is only for those who deny the present and have their lives ruled by a yearning for the future. I can't admit I can rid myself of that fear just yet, and if my time came I'd certainly shy away in any manner I could.
And you're incorrect, I'm not glorifying war. War isn't inherently great, just as it is not inherently evil. I'm only admitting the necessity of its existence.
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I absolutely agree with your post anon. I also work in a male dominated field and i fucking loathe that some of the men still tend to talk down to me as if i'm dumb when im more often than not more qualified than them in the subject at hand.
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I'd do it anyway. If I knew I'd go through what you went through I'd still do it. I'm not saying this because I think I'd enjoy it, or because it would be my duty, or because I think life is a game. I don't care if you think that my choice is disrespectful or stupid. I'd do it because I don't want to live in fear of what life hands me.>>214109
Me too tbh. I've heard that "picking up the bits and pieces of my blown up friend" story before.
>>214103>b-b-but muh 14
This was only due to how short lifespans were in the past, pedo. You can debunk your own theory by just looking at lifespan charts many years ago and in present day.
Just because their bodies can make babies doesn't mean they can or should have them. Hell, a lot of adult women shouldn't have them because of where they are mentally or financially. Also, men like you should not reproduce because you have all the markings of a pedophile and child molester, who can harm children and the next generation. I kind of like that incels like you are self-aware you are bad breeding stock.>>214106
Anon, don't talk about yourself like that. Just understand you're like a god among trash like them. They're also the worst representations of the male side of our species, ironically, like the pedo anon said about himself.
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don't worry ladies, le strong logical male is here to remind us women about how we REALLY feel
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Wish it was fake but it isn't. >>214113
If you seriously think war is "honorable" you are dead wrong. It's not middle ages anymore, your ass would get vaporized by bombs/missiles before you even know it.
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Again you put words in my mouth. I don't think war today is honorable, or wholly just, or even good. I'm saying I would go to war because I don't want to be a fearful individual, because I don't think living in fear of death or suffering is how any individual of merit should live.>>214124
It's sad honestly. I like when these kind of threads go without outer interference.
If you were truly intelligent as a female, you would accept that females are less intelligent than men, and men generally treat women like children for good reason.
Instead you act like a stubborn child, and try to fight this.
This only makes you look like more of a child to men, because you're not intelligent or mature enough to accept the FACT that women are mentally inferior.
The best thing you could do is try to prove that you're an exception, but you do the opposite, you act more like a child (feminist).>>214125>(society has to force women to be monogamous and control who they marry to surpress their evil slutty nature).
I agree with this, I didn't say anything to contradict this. 25 year old women can't consent to sex any better than a 12 year old girl, women mature early and reach a mental peak early too, they remain eternally like children.
The father should be the final decider who his daughter gets to have sex with. The girl can try to pick out her own suitor, but the father should have final say.
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The ”women like older men” spiel is a mental self-defence mechanism invented by men.
Men are constantly telling themselves that women are attracted to older, wealthy and powerful men. This is because these things might be obtainable for the man if he works really hard.
One the thing the man can never get is natural handsomeness and youth, no matter how hard he works.
Young girls hang posters of One Direction and Justin Bieber on their walls and not Donald Trump.
I don't like it when men are bad to women either i don't see why it has to be one or the other why does there have to be a gender war? >>214148
>>213952>I cannot fucking fathom prioritizing the potential for some minor discomfort over protecting children
THIS. The whole mindset of all the manbabies who constantly bring this shit up is mindboggling. >Women experience much more severe violence from men and often get killed, there's a constant fear of being raped and people will blame you for this extremely traumatizing experience, you're ALWAYS walking in the shadow of the other gender and struggling to be recognized as equal to men>Men: B-but I can't catcall women or get sex regularly! Men are suffering too!>>214004
I find it extremely ironic as well. Men try to pin women's assumed societal inferiority to biology making them weaker, but truth to be told men are by far the more emotionally fragile gender. >>213955
found the robot in disguise
Go tell that to r9k, retard.
Go tell that to r/mgtow, retard.
Go tell that to the incels, retard.
Go tell that to the vast majority of human males, retard, and maybe women won't feel the need to make venting threads like these. There are huge communities of men who think women don't deserve human rights, rape should be legalized, etc. If you care so much about ~peace between da gendurrs~, why are you here bitching about a few women venting instead of calling them out?
Uhh, I'm pretty sure humans aren't going to spontaneously evolve asexual reproduction in the near future, so you don't have much to worry about. >boy
Are you young? I get the feeling you are. If so, what are you doing on lolcow? :^)
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One man could produce enough sperm to impregnate literally
every female on Earth.
Women can only give birth once every 9 months.
no but scientists want to figure out how to make people with just 2 eggs or with artificial sperm and they're also trying to make artificial wombs. We are rapidly entering an age where either sex could completely genocide the other one and continue the species and I am scared about the possibilities of that. Women are going to get it first and so the logical strategy is to attack first before males have their own technology and the advantage is lost.>>214190
see she's saying she wants to kill men so that we're only 1 of us for 9 of you
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They've deluded themselves into believing that nubile 22 year olds will be lining up to hop on their 50 year old dicks. Sorry, but unless you're a literal sugar daddy in the top 0.5% of wealth that's not gonna happen. I'm saying this as a 22 year old myself. And even then, there will still be young women who don't give a shit about how much money they offer to suck their crusty old man dick.
None of these women are actually attracted to them, they just want some fast cash.
>Young girls hang posters of One Direction and Justin Bieber on their walls and not Donald Trump.
This is so obvious but redpillers will never learn.
Almost no one on those websites believes that rape should be legal, or women shouldn't have human rights.
There has never been a single civilization in history that had legalized rape against citizens. Do you think men would allow the rape of their mothers, sisters, and daughters to be legal?
Men on these websites commonly speak out against the definition of rape being too loose (i.e. many claims of rape aren't real rape), and they want laws/stigmas to stop women from literally destroying civilization, these laws and stigmas that generally regard women's sexual choices, i.e. adultery/cheating, divorce, sex before marriage, promiscuity, etc.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Thanks anon :3I've already read the article from r/wgtow few days ago.
It's a great article and it's striking how almost all of it applies worldwide. Men are indeed scum that can only communicate through aggression, violence, threats, and hatred.
no we don't why do women think this I still don't get it men literally DIE for you and our perfect happiness world is one where we completely sacrifice ourselves to provide for you. But then you go on about how you want female only spaces and how you want us to go away and you have people like >>214190
say that they want to deflate the amount of men and all the time I hear feminists talk about making men obsolete. A few angry young men on internet forums is not the same thing as feminists and woman scientists trying to make males obsolete I really don't understand how you can say men hate women when women are out there trying to erase me just because I'm male.
There's an ongoing and growing issue of femicide, where women are killed just because they are women. They are more prominent in 3rd world shitholes but if the laws allowed it everywhere you bet that there would be more women getting killed. Not that the rates aren't high enough.
You're going to have your sexbots and there was a first successful uterus transplant today, so I think if anyone's trying to make a gender obsolete, it's men wanting to remove biological women. I'm ok with this. I don't want to live in a world where I'm not considered a human.
>>214204>Almost no one on those websites believes that rape should be legal, or women shouldn't have human rights.
You're lying through your teeth or you haven't actually lurked there for more than a few minutes.>Do you think men would allow the rape of their mothers, sisters, and daughters to be legal?
No, because they see those women as their property and rape by another man is an infringement on that. Why did it take so long for marital rape to be recognized as a reality?
You're evil and mean>>214209
then we have to stop them that doesn't mean that men should go away instead
Women can be replaced by realistic sex dolls, porn, and artificial wombs.
Women can't replace men, unless they figure out how to hack an ATM to dispense free money.>>214210>You're lying through your teeth or you haven't actually lurked there for more than a few minutes.
I've been on /r9k/ and /pol/ for years, I've never once seen someone say that rape should be legal. If it's ever implied, it's part of some sexual fantasy roleplay, or trolling.
>No, because they see those women as their property and rape by another man is an infringement on that
Replace "their property" with "their responsibility", and you're correct.
>Why did it take so long for marital rape to be recognized as a reality?
Because marital rape doesn't exist. What a joke.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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>>214211>You're evil and mean
You're in a man hate thread. You'll get no sympathy here. Go find some other teat to suckle on you parasitic gonad.
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wow its almost like this is a place to vent or something
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Here's from MGTOW.
Men clearly want women dead.
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Ladies, here's what men consider to be an ideal gf.
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>>214223>you made your point.
I'm just getting started you droopy ballsack
Glad you finally got that
through your thick fucking skull. Looks like you're still too dumb to fuck off though :/ You coming through with that suicide stream?
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thanks for the laugh anon
There's a big difference between venting and rape/death thteats and other hateful shit.
And, uh… what are they supposed to be venting about anyways? Not getting any pussy? I never see those assholes talk about being abused or harassed or anything like that.
For what purpose? It wasn't even that active…
Just more proof that men are pathetic and can't leave their grubby, disgusting hands off of anything. Women can't even with towards their own independence without these worthless shitstains trying to break them down.
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That reddit is definitely not for that, but okay? And if you're talking about lolcow and not that reddit, then your comment was completely unrelated to mine.
I'm just confused as to why they won't let women have a place to vent. They get trp, mgtow, countless forums. Look at this thread, even. Not a day went by before angry robots felt the need to bless us with their knowledge.
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>>214297>God I fucking hate men. I've found one sane man (…)
I feel bad for that guy tbh.
Anyway if you hate how /r9k/ shitposts here then why not shitpost back? Just stewing over it in here won't change anything. Make a bunch of threads about male crime statistics or whatever or make fun of them for how pathetic and worthless they inherently are behind their edgy facade.
>>214299>I feel bad for that guy tbh.
Why? We treat each other like royalty. It's literally the best relationship possible. I'm sad you'll never be able to experience that.
>why not shitpost back?
Because I'm not a man and I don't get enjoyment from making others feel like shit? I know people who are desensitised love trolling and shitposting and giggling at the abuse they get back for it but someone who is normal would get pretty fucking depressed witnessing that. I don't see how that solves fucking anything.
Because the way you say it, it sounds no different than if a hardcore misogynist were to (somehow) get a gf and then be like "oh she's different than all the rest :)))". It's obvious how that kind of relationship isn't healthy for the woman, even if there is no real abuse. Or imagine a racist who has a black friend and they're "okay" with each other. The racist would lack real respect for the black friend, and the black friend would clearly have serious issues with self-loathing due to his race.
I mean, does he know what you're views on men in general are? I can't imagine he can hear that and be ok with it, or be able to genuinely believe that he's magically the one person who is better than all the rest.
And if you're going to hate men then go all the way smh.
>I'm sad you'll never be able to experience that.
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>>214299>Just stewing over it in here won't change anything!!!!>vent thread about trash men>change /r9k/'s mind about women
That's nice, sugardick, please go on. We all care A LOT.
Well, the idea wasn't to change /r9k/s mind, but just to shitpost on them as they do to you. But maybe you can claim not doing so somehow means giving yourself moral superiority in that regard.>>214313
I hope he does see it. He's either a narcissist or a fool.
>>214315>but just to shitpost on them as they do to you
Why are men online so unintelligent? We don't think we're morally superior, we just don't have any interest in acting like assholes. You're so aggressive that you can't imagine life not being like that. That's so fucking sad.
>I hope he does see it. He's either a narcissist or a fool.
You can't even imagine what it's like to be in a happy relationship where both parties love and respect each other. Jesus fucking christ. Get some therapy. Not saying that to be edgy, I just genuinely think you'd benefit from sorting out some of the deep problems you have there.
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>>214324>We just don't have any interest in acting like assholes. You're so aggressive that you can't imagine life not being like that
It's only a single proposal, there are obviously other options in sight. No need for such an insulting exaggeration. If you think treating robots poorly for their delusions (which may very well have repercussions in real life when they lash out violently) makes you an asshole, or if it doesn't appeal to you then that is all there is to it.
>You can't even imagine what it's like to be in a happy relationship where both parties love and respect each other.
Well, when one of them hates the gender of the other, then I find it a little doubtful.
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Reminds me of https://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/41506700
Hating 50% of the population because of their gender is retarded
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>>214328>my kind of sexism is different and justified
no. no it isn't. can't we just be equal?
I'm done, fag, B Y E:
>/r9k/ and incels canonizing Elliot Rodger
Also, this was linked a while back in the Documentary thread; "Shy Boys IRL". It's only a half hour long, a woman filmmaker following "REEEE MUH INCEL, MUH PUA WIZCHAN" dudes.
I know. When I look at the crime and rape statistics and then see how r9k, pol, redpillers, mgtow think of women, it comes to no surprise that women get hurt and murdered on a daily basis just because they're women. Those ideologies they hold perpetuate the idea that women aren't humans, their definition of rape is very loose, and they even share tips on how to deceive, persuade women into having sex by throwing insults, attacking the emotionally vulnerable, forcing them to do thing against their will etc.
Men are the biggest liars and manipulators. They will say whatever to make you believe that they are capable of love. Once they have no use of you, they will try to destroy your life. Why is revenge porn so popular among men? You already know the answer.
That's why visiting those sites is good, because they are a steady reminder that men can't feel love towards women. They hate us and despise us. If there was a button that they could press and get rid of us, they would have already done that.
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>>214335>goes to most sexist places on the entire internet>proof that ALL men hate women
goddamn it not all men hate women just some of them REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I hate sexists of either gender
Men state there what they really think under the cloak of anonymity, which is good because we finally have the insight into how we're perceived as a gender by men.
So, some of them express their hatred on those boards, subreddits and forums. And some are more subtle about. But one thing is certain, that all men to a certain degree hate women. They might have tolerance for women in their family or those that they're in the relationship with. But even then, they might abuse that power which is having the woman's trust. After all, statistics-wise, a woman is going to be most likely hurt by someone she knows.
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>>214337>Men state there what they really think under the cloak of anonymity
You're absolutely right that men do this, but its totally irrational to think that that is representative of all men>So, some of them express their hatred on those boards, subreddits and forums. And some are more subtle about. But one thing is certain, that all men to a certain degree hate women. They might have tolerance for women in their family or those that they're in the relationship with. But even then, they might abuse that power which is having the woman's trust. After all, statistics-wise, a woman is going to be most likely hurt by someone she knows.
this is just ridiculous. If I thought all women were like the ones in this thread I would never leave the house. But i know that there are like 4 billion women in the world and they are all different and don't conform to the identical beliefs
White women most definitely are, yes.
Let's not forget that a lot of the lynchings carried out in the US during Jim Crow were at the behest of white women who accused black men of rape.
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You are a bigot and would fit in on /pol/ if you were male.
People like you are the reason why sexism even exists
And I have no sympathy for white women.
I'm glad we can at least be honest, here's hoping that white rape rate increases.(racebaiting)
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>>214352>future i've created
no fucking way fam. not my fault. i dont treat women like shit. I find grills so intimidating that i havent had a irl conversation with one in over 2 years
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This is so insane.
How do you ever expect to achieve social equality when you tell any guy who agrees that women should be equal that he's evil, secretly hates women, and has some sick rape fetish>im pathetic because im a beta male
what do you want then? an alpha chad who will rape you? You pretend to want "nice" guys but the reality is that nice guys are losers and nobody wants them
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How enlightening. That really contributed a lot to the discussion
>>214359>How do you ever expect to achieve social equality
Not that anon, but I don't ever expect to achieve social equality, because most men hate women*. Surprise. In fact I suspect things will get much worse for us, so who the fuck cares what we think of men?
*#notallmen. happy now?
lumping in your average chad's mildly sexist behaviors in with alt right incel autists is still quite an exaggeration of reality
most normies are in a relationship. You cant seriously suggest that millenial bf's all secretley hate their gf's and want to rape them
Using words like Chad and normie tells me all I need to know about you, dude.
I never mentioned rape. Not all men are violent. But yes, I believe men hate women, and tolerate them in order to get what they want out of them.
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thought you were this anon>>214335 i guess i was mistaken>But yes, I believe men hate women, and tolerate them in order to get what they want out of them
Yeah this is just wrong 90% of the time and you're a bigot for thinking all (or most) men are like this>chad/normie
Theyre just dumb buzzwords but you get my point
Look dude, no offense, but you aren't a woman. Clearly. You have no idea what women deal with from men. We know exactly what they think of us, and each interaction with another one reminds us.
> you're a bigot
Anyway, this is a thread for us to discuss misogyny and shitty men. I'm sure you're welcome to keep derailing instead of just letting it flow if you have absolutely nothing better to do, but if you don't like what you're reading here, go back to /r9k/ where they just bash women instead. It will be easier for you to ignore that and forego lecturing them on their bigotry like you're doing here.
Sex, children (depending on the man), someone to feel superior to. For most men, someone who will do the 'lesser' work (cooking, cleaning, childcare) that they feel is a woman's job and they are too important or too good to do. Because women are only good at those things and nothing else, according to men.
But, overall, sex. Ask any man what the most important thing his girlfriend offers him is. Probably won't be conversation.
If you were a woman who interacted with men everyday and saw how they talked to you, looked at you, and treated you, you would see it isn't a delusion. For you to write it off as some crazy dudes on the internet being the minority is just wrong, sorry. It isn't. We will always be viewed as lesser by men. Inferior, dumb, absolutely worthless except for the few things I mentioned. It's exhausting. I'm exhausted.
And we can't even discuss it amongst ourselves without men like you coming in here to tell us we're wrong. Once again, exhausting.
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Theres another maleanon thats been replying to you. mine all have wojaks for clarity's sake.
It's not that misogyny doesnt exist, it obviously does. Its that you take it way way to far and let it shape your worldview that is unrealistic, unhealthy, and contributes to the kind of toxic stuff found on /pol/.
Go to some of the misogynists hideouts like MGTOW. You will see that they have all been radicalizd into believing all women think they are evil and rapists. The woman that is the posterchild for their beliefs is YOU anon
>not seeing the similarities between male and female misogynistic radicalization
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I mean, as the delusion I was talking about what you thought men wanted from relationships, not everything else. I would say it's fairly true that many men have an ingrained perception of women that is wrong.
But whatever, I like to lurk these threads more than interrupting them anyway.
Once again, I never said all men are evil or rapists. I think you are confusing my recent posts with another poster who was talking about male violence earlier.
All I said was that men hate women. The men on /pol/ and Mgtow hate women, so there’s no disconnect there. Blaming women for those misogynistic spaces makes no sense, honestly. I believe they would still be misogynistic regardless of how women felt about them. They radicalized each other, which is very easy to do in those kind of enclosed spaces.
All of my experiences with misogyny have shaped the view I have today. I don’t even have a bad opinion of men, they are just human. The experiences I’ve had with them however, leave no doubt in my mind that there is something within men that makes them hate women. That doesn’t automatically make them rapists. Only people who have committed rape are rapists.
It's interesting, because their hatred can be exactly the same as their 'love'. What do they want in women? Femininity. What do they find inferior about women? Femininity. It's why men can demand a tradwife while simultaneously looking down on women for contributing less money, or hate women for expecting a husband to be breadwinner. It comes down to the fact that men literally desire an inferior woman, who is less than him in every way except looks and youth. And frankly women are complicit in this, it is far too normal for women to assume and expect their man to be above her in his career, earnings, education, social status, leadership, intelligence, physical strength etc. I don't know what's worse, wanting a partner who is inferior to you or wanting to be the inferior one in the relationship. Both are very, very sad and there should be more balance.
I don't know, you're making it seem like a social construct but it's instincts. Just telling men to be interested in superior women isn't going to make them interested in them any more than the fat acceptance movement made them like fat bodies. On the same note, it's not like women are going to start being interested in inferior men.
No one is being relegated anywhere. If women choose to want a superior man, she isn't dismissed to an inferior role, she actively is seeking an inferior role. It's not like the workplace discriminates either so I have no idea what you are talking about
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Okay, so you recognize that women like superior men and men like inferior women, and it's for some reason a bad thing (which I don't agree with and you still haven't explained why), but it's an instinct we have no control over, but men are to blame, but women also can stop it, but men can't?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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>all these flustered robots
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>>214404>arguing with 4chan users>uses trash reaction pic>thinks she can compete with a 4chan reaction images
Seriously, there are so many male dominated places on the internet that will entertain your delusions that feminism is somehow 'controlling' society and that misogyny and the patriarchy have zero effect on women.
And yeah, it's a bit of both instinct and socialization, they aren't contradictory positions. One leads to the the other, but we're more controlled by societal factors than instinct. It's just that society favours men and runs according to their preferences.
Yeah, women like metally mature and stable men, not poor, old, perverted wrinkly dicks.
There are a few good looking older men, but the average bloke is nowhere near them.
Oh, I didn't realize this place legitimately believes in the patriarchy. Lmao>Extremely biased family courts>Affirmative action (actual discrimination)>women get 1/6 the time for the same crime a man does>Duluth model for DV implicitly discriminates against men on no grounds>You can get fired or kicked out of school for a rape ACCUSATION>40% of rape accusations are ADMITTED to being false>men have no reproductive rights after the semen leaves his penis. A women can impregnate herself with his semen by taking a condom out of the trash, and he STILL has to pay for child support or he goes to jail>People actually believe women can't rape men, even if the male is like 12>If that child rapist gets pregnant, when the 12 year old turns 18, he OWES his RAPIST for the 6 years of child support>There is like 7 different ways for a women to decide to keep a baby (condom, birth control, morning after, abortion, give up for adoption)>Government organisations that are gender specific are ALL targeted for women, there is like 1000 charities with women in the name that are government supported, but not 1 that help men
>>patriarchy exists because the majority of powerful people are male
Now name one things male directly benefit from that isn't their own effort.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
>>214411>A women can impregnate herself with his semen by taking a condom out of the trash, and he STILL has to pay for child support or he goes to jail
lmao @ this faggot who thinks this is physically possible to be common enough. Sperm doesn't live outside of the body for that
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>>214359>what do you want then? an alpha chad who will rape you? You pretend to want "nice" guys but the reality is that nice guys are losers and nobody wants them
Most self-proclaimed "nice" guys aren't really nice, dummy. Women want men who are genuinely caring and emotionally mature, and don't just behave that way to get what they want. Period. Not a supposed "nice guy" who will fly off the handle the second he's rejected.
The reason you always fail to understand what women want, robot-chan, is because you're still mentally a teenager and project your high school-tier alpha-beta dichotomy onto all adult relationships. You think of everything in terms of a performance or a facade instead of a real connection between two people. Most women who have dipped into the dating scene a bit will have experience with men who are just putting up a facade or playing games to get what they want from women (that usually being, but not restricted to sex,) and the more jaded she is the easier she will get at sniffing out what's real and what's a lie. Men who are genuinely good guys wouldn't have a single problem getting good women to like them.
Why bother? A robot who is convinced women are whores won't change his mind. By the same token the same sort of dingus that thinks men have literally no empathy for women and are fundamentally misogynistic will forever cling to some bad experiences and stupid shitposts as their inviolable truth.
Honestly I take the fact I've been called so many mutually exclusive things over the years on the internet as a badge of pride.
I know this sperg was banned, but for any robots that read this and think, “he’s right, gotta protect my jizz from female cum-stealing vacuums!”
lmfao, women taking your sperm need not be a concern of yours EVER.
are we on /r9k/? do you think you're brave or cool for sinking to the level of those types of guys? you're just creating more hate and pushing out others who are actually understanding.
gender roles suck, i get it, and women have gotten the short end of the stick forever, i personally experienced negative impact from being a woman, but playing pity party and acting like men's gender roles aren't just as straining simply because some men have it good because they're men is stupid.
hate 'men' but hate the right ones. there are plenty of men to hate and plenty of women to hate, both for the same reasons.
>>214466>you're just creating more hate and pushing out others who are actually understanding.
There are no men who actually understand anything about women. They are literally incapable, it is ingrained in their nature to be sociopathic and irrational, especially towards women.
If a man doesn't at first seem to be actively violent against women, then he is merely hiding it and pretending. That's all there is to it. No men are capable of empathy with women. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
That man posting in this thread does so because he can't handle the fact that women are talking about this, and realizing the truth about them, and so he comes here to post his sob story (likely fake) in order to derail the thread and look for pity and have all the women here focus on the fact that he has a dick.
Men's gender roles only serve to empower them. And when they somehow can't fit into them despite all the privilege and backing they have in society, then it's only natural to call them out on how pathetic and incapable they are. It's so easy for men to achieve their gender roles and be happy with them, the men who can't are even more subhuman then the rest.
lol she's been spamming r9k with these threads for days nowhttps://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/41555699
I'm pretty sure she's the same person in the teen obsession thread too.
>>214469>They are literally incapable, it is ingrained in their nature to be sociopathic and irrational
Oh knock it off with this shit. Men are held to a very low standard of behavior so the bar for a good guy is incredibly skewed. Basic human decency is given a gold star.>wow, you don't abuse your gf!!??? What a great guy! Such a keeper!!
And you're adding to this mentality by not expecting more from them. It's the same rationale that holds women accountable for being a victim of sexual assault.>oh c'mon if you don't wear a literal bed sheet covering every inch of skin how can you expect men to control themselves?? Boys will be boys!
Maybe you should stop spending so much time lurking male-dominated forums, because you're letting your anger get the better of you.
I've also seen a few posts ITT of women who said they have dated shitty misogynistic men, and are incensed because that's the treatment they got. Shocker. If you want to meet nice guys, and I mean genuinely nice guys not robots in disguise, you have to learn from your past mistakes and assemble a brutal vetting process. Don't tolerate shitty behavior in a relationship either, because all you're teaching them is that they can get away with it. Otherwise, what you're doing is the equivalent of going into the forest, stripping yourself naked, and covering yourself with honey, then acting astonished when a bear attacks you.
agreed. tons of these man-haters are just like the girl version of robots, chalking bad traits up to gender and complaining they'll never and can't change. and then when you confront them it has to do solely with their experiences with men or shit from forums. it mirrors robots perfectly. they just choose their ideas based on experience and then feed it by way of the internet.
i almost sympathize robots and their girl counterparts, but they are so shitty and they dig their heels in so hard it's almost impossible.
it's hard to care about anyone who preaches empathy and whines while at the same time, judging people based on their sex and a vague generalization of how society treats them. not just men, women as well. you can't judge someone's worth based on assumptions. any one of us could be just as bad as those 'evil men' but we're excused since we're women? fucking stupid, and exactly the same as how robots act.
Misogyny doesn't just live on the internet, and to insinuate so is ludicrous. Men as a group can benefit from some well-placed criticism, but too many times they shut down when women make good points and they're behavior never changes. The point is to stop excusing bad behavior because as you said,>chalking bad traits up to gender and complaining they'll never and can't change
feeds into that cycle. Male bullshit can frustrate me, but you'll never catch me putting up with it for more than a minute or two. I have myself to focus on first and foremost, and I'd rather die a sexless spinster than to date another misogynistic trainwreck.
I was dating an anti feminist redpill type of guy, I didn't know he was like that for the first month or so but it began to show. He would constantly ask me for a run down of my past lovers, when guys would hit on me while we were out he'd blame me for "putting myself in that situation" aka leaving the house….with him?
He one night went to a strip club without even asking me if it was okay, but I didn't freak out at him as hey it's a bit of fun right? I took this as maybe he'll be more chill with me now and less paranoid, I was so so wrong. On the same night he'd had a lap dance from a stripper, he physically dragged me away from talking/dancing with a gay male friend and shouted at me the entire night (still had sex with me though) and morning.
The final straw was Saturday night, he literally chased me down the street demanding to know "how many dicks have you sucked", got in my face, cornered me and couldn't believe it when I didn't want to stay with him. He said I was only crying because I'm a woman and that's what women do, I'm trying to make him look abusive when it's actually me who's abusive and if he was a woman everyone would see him as a victim, literally the only time I ever got angry at him it was just a "can you shut up now" or "stop" it was never personal and I got viably angry with him a total of three times in the entirety of our six month relationship and would back down every time, if I stood up for myself he'd pull the gender card.
Yeah I'm an idiot for not dumping him ages ago, but I loved him and wanted it to work….I thought he would be able to get over his insecurity and paranoia if I asked permission to go out without him, always told him what I was doing etc but nothing worked. I have been abused by several men in my life since I was a kid and I am just so broken at this point, men don't care or have any empathy. I'm just a dumb cunt for not dating "nice guys" except this guy literally framed himself as #NotLikeOtherGuys and was your typical nice guy.
Exactly this. Women are socialized early on to be "polite in public"; this thread is a way to blow off steam and vent together about our experiences/issues.
We know you're not all /r9k/ bottomfeeders, but we asspat enough asshole men IRL.
i appreciate you, well-intentioned anon, and i am fully aware of how shit my mentality is. i wrote that post last night because i needed to vent. the apartment i live in atm is easily accessible through the roof windows and generally hidden from the main road. however my terrace is an open area for all the surrounding houses/neighors to easily see my comings and goings, my bf leaving with travel bags, the front door showing we have lots of loot inside, from a ps4, flat screen, guitars, computers, etc.
i will be moving next year but for now, yeah, it sucks i can't just kick it in my own empty apartment because every semi-loud outside noise makes me reach for my pepper spray or kitchen knife. it might be all in my head, but my upbringing and society put it there.
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I will never understand this level of vitriolic hatred towards someone you don't even know. Someone who has surely never harmed you or someone you love. This girl made a mistake, and they're acting like she fucking killed someone instead of just having sex. She was practically a fucking child. WHY? Can one of the maleposters explain this to me, instead of just telling us that misogyny isn't that big of a deal?
I really hope these commenters are just teen boys. But even then…deep down I know they won't grow out of this mentality, and they will eventually become men who still think this way. Who still hate women.
And of course, if you're upset about fucks saying a young girl deserved to possibly lose her life because she wasn't a virgin, you're a feminazi.
Man sorry for flipping out but it just gets worse and worse everyday. I shouldn't be surprised or hurt by these things anymore, I should feel like I've seen it all but every time I think it can't get worse, it does. I just can't stand the way men feel about women. WHY.
I mean…they’re teenagers. It’s kind of expected that they are gullible and make terrible mistakes that they (hopefully) learn from. Unfortunately this girl may have died from hers, and all these men can say is that she deserved it because she was a slut. She deserved to die because….she had sex?
It’s not disappointment. It’s hatred and disgust for women and girls. And to your boyfriends point, a lot of women feel like men aren’t interested in anything but sex. But you don’t really see a large, growing movement like the red pill or mgtow for women who hate men.
Here's my take on it from what I've gleaned from my boyfriend. They basically feel like if women really are as sexually voracious as we're depicted in porn then they stand no chance of properly satisfying us. This in turn causes a mixture of rage and anger often channeled into fantasies of sexual violence.
A lot of it comes down to porn sickness too. Some white guys feel white women make them feel emasculated by saying black guys are superior and all that stuff. And that's where a lot of the "well I don't care. I prefer Asian women anyway!" stuff comes from.
If that's how you want to take it…
But yeah. I wouldn't hang out alone with black men as a white girl. Dunno how your parents raised you but to me hanging out with any large group of men alone puts you in danger. Being a lone white girl among a group of black men only amplifies it.
I'll take racism over being raped and murdered kthx
It's the Madonna-Whore complex. Men see women as either sex crazed sluts or pure and asexual with no in between. If a man discovers a girl he thought was a Madonna has sexual desires and/or rejects him or seems less than perfectly kind, she's shafted into the Whore category and is deemed worthless in the man's eye. What men want is the perfect waifu with the sweetness and purity of the Madonna but the sex drive of the Whore, who doesn't really exist.
tldr men are stupid
Boys can start watching pornography at very young ages, especially nowadays. Kids in middle school are probably beating it to porn. They're far too young at that time, and thus are easily impressionable. As children they have a much harder time separating what they see in porn from reality, especially since they've yet to experience sex in real life. Because of this they get expectations and views on sexuality ingrained in their head through porn, likely long before any sexual education they might have in school. Then of course they only have other porn addicts like themselves to converse with, and their beliefs double over even moreso. By the time they reach adulthood, the pornography they've consumed has left a great impression on them that is very difficult to get rid of. When they finally face reality and it goes against their expectations, they feel betrayed, or frustrated, or insecure in themselves. That itself feeds into the desire for more porn over reality, and further entrenches them in their incorrect beliefs.
>>214720>but statistically white men in the US are just as likely to be registered sex offenders as any other race.
Not really. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
They are 13% of the population but commit 30% of the rape, 25% of other sex offenses so they're incredibly more likely. Honestly the whole argument that men are shit because they're more violent/commit rape fits well into a racists world view, and I've always found it magical how some posters try to avoid that.
I don’t understand it either. As much as they hate women and think they’re inferior, they seem to hold us to a higher standard than men if that makes sense. Like we have a set of stipulations we have to meet, otherwise men think we’re worthless and deserve to die I guess.
It’s weird but I hope I’m making sense. Ifs not like they expect us to be better than men, because they don’t think we are. They think we’re worse than men in every single way, yet they hold us to higher standards than they do other men and attack us that much more viciously if we don’t meet them.
I don’t understand men’s logic on just about anything. It makes me glad and not insecure that I’m a Virgin for the first time in my life. I don’t think I ever want to deal with men in any romantic or sexual way honestly. It seems more trouble than it’s worth, but that’s just my opinion and I know there are people here who are happily with men. Don’t mean to imply that you’re wrong or making a mistake at all.
Yeah, like men can have loads of sex because they're men and that's what men do. When women do it they're disgusting whores who gave into temptation, women are meant to hold off from sex but men will also complain about not getting sex easily despite forcing this standard on us.
Another thing I've noticed as well, in the case of rape men often say "well she was alone with a man, what did she expect?" Why are women expected to take all these safety procedures (don't wear short skirts/dresses or revealing clothes, don't drink, don't walk home alone at night, don't be alone with a man) but men can't be expected to just….not rape anyone?
Also if a woman does take these safety procedures she's a paranoid femanazi who believes all men are rapists, there's so much contradictions and we literally can't win.
I dunno sis. I'm not too happy about how slutty the culture is these days either. One because I want kids of my own one day and two because I think there's genuine peer pressure on people like me to be more sexually extroverted. It's also just generally very gross and unhealthy.
That whole feminist third wave sex positive stuff is disgusting to me, not gonna lie.
It's literally just women doing what men do, I doubt most women who sleep around are doing it cause "omgz this will totez piss off men!1" it's just something they may want to do, not everyone wants a relationship. Most men's reasons for not wanting a "slutty" girlfriend tends to be down to their own insecurity too, they're scared they won't be able to satisfy her sexually and personally, I think there's their own issue they need to overcome, not try to restrict women's sexuality. >>214788
That's fine, however do you think what if a girl sleeps around or even just isn't a virgin or slept around when she was 18, deserves to be raped, never deserves a happy relationship when she's ready for it? etc. I get why someone people may not want to with someone who's slept around or want to do it themselves, but as mentioned above the issue I have is men's insecurities being a justification to try to restrict women and the constant autism about sex.
Does that mean they have to treat all women like shit, though? I fear that there aren't any non-misogynistic men left…but I don't run around trying to make men feel as low as possible or attacking them for how many sex partners they have.
Plus like >>214789
mentioned, those women are just doing what a lot of men have done for years. Why is it suddenly worse when a woman does it? And why do men think they need to be punished for it, and think they 'deserve' thinks like rape and death?
(Not to mention, I don't think casual sex is even as common as we may think. I know there are women that do it, but I still think it's far from the norm even now.)
It's kind of an open secret that a lot of women in Japanese porn are paying off debts for the Yakuza. I assume that's what you're referring to since most Asian porn that comes to mind is either Jap or Western in my experience. I figure the crying that sounds like a dying cat has something to do with that.>>214806>(Not to mention, I don't think casual sex is even as common as we may think. I know there are women that do it, but I still think it's far from the norm even now.)
Probably varies a lot with the area. I don't really see it in my social circle but it seems to be a regular thing at college when I observe others.
My problem with it boils down to when they say this:
>"But women like sex too!"
That's just a strawman. I can't speak for all women, but I can speak in rough anecdotal terms for girls I'm friends and peers with throughout all stages of my life (school, uni, career - at least among the ones who had good relationships with their dads) and the conclusion is that we ARE different from men in that regard. The vast majority of us do not want casual sex and do not consider it something highly desirable in the same way men do.
That's part of my problem with feminism. We are different from men, and how we approach sex is a part of these innate differences. Whatever feminists want to say, the vast majority of us, again at least in my experience, don't want one night stands and flings and "fuckbuddies" in the same sort of animal way men do.
We want security and love.
In before muh disney princess idealism.
Different Anon, but oh my god. That’s so sickening, the Yakuza and porn industry. You know if anyone told the men who get off to that shit about it, they probably wouldn’t fucking care anyway. God damn pigs.
Sage for legit rage.
They get off more to it if the woman is in genuine pain/distress. There are forums where men trade porn with background info like "she did this assgape scene to pay for a hit of such and such drug" and others reply about how "hot" that is.
Men these days are fixated on degradation and dehumanization. They think women deserve this because we do porn.
This has been my experience as well. I and most of the female friends I've had throughout my life have never engaged in casual sex. I knew one girl in college who was the manosphere stereotype of the "cock carousel" riding girl, but she was still a perfectly kind person and fun to be around. She wasn't a worthless whore, she just liked sex. So I agree with you on that, maybe women are generally different than men in that respect. I know feminism is a bit of a shitshow right now, I think that ideally self proclaimed feminists should support a woman's right to choose what lifestyle works best for her, and not pressure any women to conform to a certain way.
The part I disagree with you on is this. There are women who generally enjoy casual sex out there. Women who have sex outside of relationships. Maybe they felt pressured by the current social climate, maybe they genuinely enjoy it. There's a conversation to be had there that may be separate from this one. I don't know. But overall the point is…nobody should harrassed and called a worthless whore and have their own death or misfortune blamed on the fact that they had a lot of sex (like the girl in the video above.) We can agree on that, right? It isn't a crime to have sex, but a lot of men act like it is the worst possible thing a woman could do, meanwhile they brag about all of the depraved shit they've done with double digit numbers of women and they don't find themselves disgusting or worthless. I don't get that.
We don't have to agree with their lifestyle in order to still treat them like human beings and not tell them they're worthless because they've had sex before. That is what men do, and I think that's the issue most of us have with this. And they have become so severe with it to the point where they now say a woman who has had sex with even one man before them is 'tainted' and worthless to men. Even if that sex was within a long term, serious relationship that just didn't work out.
I can't agree with you because the definition of what constitutes "harassment" is just too broad to the point what it comes down to is basically policing what people think and say (think the UK with its lolworthy laws about social media).
I would feel a lot more comfortable in a society where you're not made to feel like a freak for not being into BDSM shit from 14 onwards, and if it takes censure and humiliation of more slovenly girls to achieve that, then so be it.
Maybe harassment was the wrong word to use, sorry. But, why belittle and humiliate anyone? And why only women? Men are involved in sex too, obviously.
I'm sorry you feel like society makes you feel like a freak for being more conservative when it comes to sex. It shouldn't be that way. But the answer is not to attack people who make different choices than you. What do we all gain from that?
Men should get the same treatment. Modern society holds nobody to any sexual standards because most liberals fear being held to standards of any reasonable, objective kind.
Men who father illegitimate children for example are usually trash and should be run out of town.
The "compassionate" choice isn't always the right one.
people see men who run out on their kids as just a bad situation that "happens" but people will shame women to hell and back if they aren't perfect moms
Amber Rose for example, then the guy ran out on his kids no one gave a shit but people will spend all day harassing her for not being a good mom, while I don't think she's a good mom but for fucks sake, shame the asshole walking out on his kids to, not just amber rose
>>214856>But they don't. And they never will.
Historically it was a big deal if a man got a girl knocked up without actually committing to her, he'd be liable to get a beating at the least.
Basically the idea was if they didn't give a woman some sort of security before taking the relationship to an intimate place, they really would be run out of town (quite literally).
Also I just don't believe in this "other women are your allies just because they're women" crap, sorry.
Hijabis who think I'm a slut because I don't cover up are not my allies, women who have helped sluttify our culture to the point where men and women think it's disappointing to watch a TV show if it doesn't have "steamy sex scenes" or "tits" are also not my allies, and women who try to demonize white women with the intersectional stuff are also not my allies. It's not as simple as men vs. women. It's retarded to frame it in such a way.
The key point being if he got her knocked up
. Oh, and if there was proof he was the one who did it. Can always claim the kid isn't yours if you're a male.>>214859
They might not be your allies, but they aren't the enemy either. They're suffering because of sexism just like you are.
>>214860>They're suffering because of sexism just like you are.
Thank you, this was my point with what I said in >>214856
. Not that you have to agree with every single woman on Earth just because we share some chromosomes, but we don't have to attack eachother the way men attack women. There's already so many people making women feel worthless and unwanted in the world, why contribute to it? But, at the end of the day, we all do what we want. I can't stop you. Nobody can stop any of this.
I'm just so sick of misogyny, it makes me so sad and tired. But I know I just need to shut up about it because nobody wants to hear it.
>>214860>They might not be your allies, but they aren't the enemy either. They're suffering because of sexism just like you are.
The Muslim women in European countries are often just as, if not more misogynistic than the men. You think they're all suffering and want out, but look at a place like Egypt where 60% of college-educated women believe that the women sexually assaulted in Tahrir Square deserved it/brought it on themselves.
These people need to GTFO our countries, they ARE enemies.
I sign everything you wrote.
> I get made fun of for being a virgin and thus a 'future catlady' or I just need some dick or I'm too ugly to get a man.
This is what really applies to me but I would never shame another woman for being more sexually active as long as she took care of herself.
But what pisses me off is that it's not just men but also women who should know better, and that are going to attack other women like you pointed out. It's not necessarily just regarding sex but it can be seen in the workplace, education and other areas of life.
I mean, I'm not expecting some ~sisterhood~ where we hold pj parties and have sleepovers and talk about unicorns just because we all share the same gender, but if we compare solidarity with the one that men have and the one we have, it's a stark contrast. I've seen a lot of times other women shaming a rape victim (saying among the lines that she deserved it), or not believing a rape victim, I've experienced female professors obviously favoring male students and letting them go off the hook, I could go on. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed.>>214859
> It's not as simple as men vs. women.
It's not necessarily men vs women, there are lots of shitty people out there of both genders but you can't deny that a lot of problems arise from double standards out of which women get very little benefit despite what robots and other men think. Single moms get shat on constantly and I wouldn't place the entire blame on the majority of single moms that they should have known better.
I don't even know why other women do this, for some meager brownie points? Hoping they will be awarded the virtuous woman of the month award? Or is it out of pure female envy and bitterness?>>214858
Oh please. That's entirely not true. If you go throughout history and with recorded events men who raped were sometimes punished but women that weren't raped and the guy walked out on her? The blame was all on her. The blame is always on the woman.
>>214864>That's entirely not true.
Nigga it was a common cultural practice to nail the names of male deadbeats to the doors of churches in early and pre-modern Europe.
Men did face consequences for being disgusting, you can argue that that was largely because they were screwing around with "another man's daughter", but I'll take that over the shitty, alienated society we have today. After all we've been following the path of people like you (progressives) for the past 60 years or so and all we've got out of it is more porn, more meaningless sex, more alienation, fractured communities and opiate addictions.
> Nigga it was a common cultural practice to nail the names of male deadbeats to the doors of churches in early and pre-modern Europe.
Please provide sources. I'm genuinely interested but I don't think it was widespread if it were in practice.
> but I'll take that over the shitty, alienated society we have today. After all we've been following the path of people like you (progressives) for the past 60 years or so and all we've got out of it is more porn, more meaningless sex, more alienation, fractured communities and opiate addictions.
Firstly I agree that the rot of our society is tremendous and I'm not the progressive you accuse me of but among all the things that are bad in our current society women's choices in their partners in on the bottom list that's to blame.
Also, your vision of the past is very rose-tinted, just the word orgy has it's root in ancient greek, there were whore houses all throughout history and men were never punished for it. In ancient rome it was common for married men to pay a whore and they never had to respond for it, it was as normal as doing groceries. Men cheating was considered just part of a guy's nature. Maybe some would object it but your idea of men being chivalrous. I could list so many more examples.
I'm inclined to believe that you're a robot because only men ascribe the downfall of our society with women's sexual liberation.
>>214873>Please provide sources. I'm genuinely interested but I don't think it was widespread if it were in practice.
I'll go over one of New Cambridge Medieval History volumes that I saw it in (the High Middle Ages one) later on.
>only men ascribe the downfall of our society with women's sexual liberation.
Point out where I did this?
Oh wait. I didn't. Those things are symptoms, not causes. The ultimate cause is the idea that individual freedom is inherently good (for men or women), when the past 70 years have been a giant exercise in why it isn't and how it makes people and societies increasingly psychologically dysfunctional.
>>214860>They might not be your allies, but they aren't the enemy either.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a vocal critic of Islam. She escaped her family from the Middle East and escaped west after suffering genital mutilation and was about to be forced into a marriage. She had to hide her identity unless her family found her and dragged her back. All in all, a woman I would 100% stand with. Linda Sarsour meanwhile, was one of the leaders of the Womens March. Because Ayaan dared to criticize Islam, she declared she "wanted to take her vagina away" among other things.
I want to reiterate this, she told a victim of genital mutilation that she wanted to take her vagina away. That woman should 100% be considered an enemy.
That's good you realized anon.
Don't listen the other raging salt chan telling you to off yourself though, you can change, there is hope yet.
I know all men aren't bad, my brothers and my father are good people that respect women. Sadly, most men aren't like that. I honestly believe that /r9k/ could change,somehow. There's a thread of hope that one day they'll understand, make amend and start anew again. I believe in you anon. I believe there's good in everypne as cheesy as it sounds.
I agree, it's the same men who will manipulate young girls into pumping and dumping them, then go around hating all the other girls who fell for the same tricks millions of other guys pull on other girls
while i can understand not wanting your partner to have a risque sex life, I just don't get how people see a woman as more respectable if she hasn't been kissed or touched or anything, once this woman I knew made a long speech about how she is 20 and never been kissed and everyone came in talking about how respectable she was, like why does being respectable include what you do your sex life? and why does holding yourself back either by choice or not by choice make you some how more respectable than a woman who's worked her ass of and is a well-mannered woman but god forbid she have sex with boyfriends? Peoples sex life shouldn't even be in the mix of determining if someone is respectable, worthy of living or being cared about, etc, it's ridiculous and as said on the teen discussion thread, as a kissless virgin myself, I NEVER mention my sexual past (or lack there of) to a partner, because 99% of the time men who refuse to date anyone other than kissless virgins are either abusive, stuck up, or straight up mentally ill
I need to vent jfc.
A little backstory
>> be 12 and sometimes hang out with guy who gets bullied
>> move to another country
>> am 15-16
>> he suddenly moves to same country AND city
>> ok weird
>> talking about how in love with me he is at school, thinks this means i will automatically like him because muh americab guy gets the girl movie
>> i am not aware of this at the time
>> start to hangout sometimes, smoke weed
>> i use weed to self medicate my depression and anxiety so smoke maybe once every 2-3 months
>> he confesses to me
>> i reject him, see him as friend
>> understands(i think)
>> hangout on and off, hes decent
>> i get bf
>> hangout occasionally
>> i break up with boyfriend because asshole
>> friend breaks up with gf, calls her abusive
>> confesses to me again, reject him again for same reasons
>> " you only want assholes anon, but your a woman cant help it"
>> only friend i knew/knows who can get weed and desperately need it to cope with breakup so just take it
>> this day, both are 23
>> still butthurt to this day
>> hangout yesterday to smoke weed
>> have work at 6 in the morning
>> he knows this
>> ignores me when i tell him
>> forces me to walk around dangerous are in the dark with wet stones and right next to deep ocean, VERY windy
>> tell him im scared
>> "dont me so fucking paranoid"
Starts walking towards the middle of the city to smoke a joint, tons of people outside
>> i dont think thats a good idea, im paranoid someone will see us
>> "Your so fucking paranoid, no one will see us!!"
>> me having to be civil with him, hes my ride home and there are no busses
>> Finally fucking ALLOWS me to go home at 3 in the fucking morning, laid in bed for 2 hours having an anxiety attack before i could sleep
Im fucking done with men treating you like shit because you wouldnt fuck them and thinking they are "nice guys!" When they are assholes!!
Please kindly explain why someone's sexual behavior should be firewalled off the rest of their behavior for some arbitrary reason.
If a guy I know likes fucking prostitutes, or likes making women bleed during sex, then I'm going to think less of him as a result.
You want to section off the bedroom from everything else not because it makes sense, but because what happens in there (or out of there really) makes you feel ashamed on some level.
a guy like making women bleed during sex is completely different from "getting gang banged by four black guys"
>You want to section off the bedroom from everything else not because it makes sense, but because what happens in there (or out of there really) makes you feel ashamed on some level
no because 99% of the time it's no ones business, MAYBE I can understand if it's some bdsm wannabe type shit people use as a mask to their actual misogyny, but what people do in their sex life, as long as if it's not harming anyone, it shouldn't be factored in with whether someone is respectable or not. No one should be seen as the most respectable because they've never had sex and suddenly you lose respect with each sexual act you do, if you got your shit together, doing what you love, benefitting the world, but want to "get gang banged by four black guys" then it's no ones business, plain and simple, it literally only makes sense to section off the bedroom from everything else, does what you like in the bedroom affect your education? your career? no? only in extreme cases? okay then fuck off
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it always makes me laugh when little boys play victim and act like they're being abused when they don't get what they want, it just shows how privileged they are even though they don't want to admit it when they have to dig and stretch and scream oppression because women won't fuck them, some of the things men claim to be oppressed for only proves they aren't oppressed, they're literally becoming the big bad feminists that they whined and cried about and acted as if every feminist was one of them
Men and women are absolutely right to have standards regarding their partners. The problem with robots is they call any girl who has ever had sex a slut and the problem with women is that we don't make men pay a price for their own sexually immoral behavior (cheating and promiscuity and general disrespect) because a lot of women are weak minded as shit these days.
But yeah. Any girl peddling an idea it's just some normal thing to let four men gangbang you and that she shouldn't be judged for it is no woman I want as an "ally". Get your shit together and stop debasing yourself if you want respect. Robots may be wrong on 99 percent of things but they're spot on on that one. Nobody is obligated to give a morally depraved person respect and nobody is obligated to stop themselves from "judging" you. The judgment of strangers is a fact of life you'll have to reconcile yourself to eventually because you're sure as hell not going to police the thoughts of all of your friends, coworkers and peers, no matter how much the third wave wants it.
And really the fear of the judgement of others, judgement that has no power mind, says more about your own feelings of shame than anything else.
and yet somehow there's tons of people with high self esteem who have degrading fantasies, even so, there's tons of people with low self esteem who prefer dominating as well, and even tons of low self esteemed low life who prefer vanilla sex, the only one "pedaling" is you, there's a reason why no one asks you about your sex life on college applications or at job interviews, why? because it doesn't tell a lot about you, yes with some people it can reflect, but with 99% of people your sex life doesn't reflect who you are, anyway, with the case of the girl who went missing, even if she did have low self esteem like you insist, how does that make her less worthy of a person and to be saved? The only people who believe that your sex life, as long as you're not harming anyone, reflects if you are worthy of a person, are low-lifes who don't have lots of social experience outside the internet
>>215079> Any girl peddling an idea it's just some normal thing to let four men gangbang you and that she shouldn't be judged for it is no woman I want as an "ally"
where exactly did I say that it's normal to want four men to gangbang you? Oh right nowhere, all I'm saying is that it shouldn't matter within a womans career or if she is worth being cared about by family or friends, or as in the previous case if she's worth not BEING SOLD INTO SEX TRAFFICKING OR KILLED if she did want to get gang banged by four guys or not, if it makes me some awful person who isn't worth being an "ally" for simply stating that a woman who wants to get gang banged should get the same respect as a kissless virgin, assuming they're both respectable, hard working and polite women then you really need to update your definition on what awful means
>Nobody is obligated to give a morally depraved person respect and nobody is obligated to stop themselves from "judging" you
okay, so if a woman has her shit together, she's in school, she's polite, she's helpful, she helps people in need, she's educated, but maybe she's into some freaky shit in the bedroom, is she not worthy of respect and she's "morally depraved" as much as if a woman was said, a virgin yet she killed people and does drugs? It's just ridiculous, and no, I'm not telling women to go get gang banged or whatever like you want to twist to believe I am, it's just simply no ones business what a woman does in the bedroom as long as if she isn't harming someone, no I'm not telling anyone that they can't judge people but if you have poor judgement then it's YOU that's delusional and shitty, I prefer a polite woman and is nice but may be into kinky shit over someone who goes around acting as if someone is less of a person if they want to do kinky shit assuming it doesn't harm anyone
>The judgment of strangers is a fact of life you'll have to reconcile yourself to eventually because you're sure as hell not going to police the thoughts of all of your friends, coworkers and peers, no matter how much the third wave wants it.
again, funny how you call people delusional but act as if I'm trying to force peoples thoughts, if you have to assume what I'm trying to do to prove a point, it's not only pathetic but makes your points automatically invalid
>And really the fear of the judgement of others, judgement that has no power mind, says more about your own feelings of shame than anything else.
what feeling of shame? Do you even know me? if you did you sure as hell wouldn't be saying that, I even know several bible thumpers who go to church and preach chastity that can agree with me that unless you are involved with that person sexually and romantically, then it's simply no ones business nor should it reflect on how someone is being treated over their sex life, again assuming it's harmless, I'm not "fearing judgement of others" I just simply don't think a woman who's a kissless virgin is somehow automatically more respectable than a woman who may be promiscuous based solely on their sex life and nothing else, yes how dare am I'm some crazy whore who's going around telling women it's normal to want to be gang banged apparantly!
men can easily deny sex though, easier than women can, even so, the "muh masculinity" thing is only used in rare and abusive situations, if a girl does say a man is less of a man for not fucking she is easily seen as as crazy and abusive, where as men can barely take no for an answer and always try to compensate or blackmail, and for the attraction of their partner is doubted, it would be doubted in any gender relationship, if a partner is constantly denying sexual advances then yes the sad truth is the other partner will feel less attractive, that's why communication is the key, it's not a gender thing
>>215096>if a girl does say a man is less of a man for not fucking she is easily seen as as crazy and abusive
Maybe it depends on area, because I have seen issues stem from this.
>that's why communication is the key, it's not a gender thing
I'm not really denying this, but that's only viable when the people involved care more about the individuals in their relationship rather than stereotypes.
>>215095>There is no reason to despise someone just because they don't fit the qualities you would desire in a gf/bf. That's the problem with men.
Except it's not just a male thing. You've spent too long in sex positive, liberal circles if you think all women are totally cool with degenerate sex. Because I'm not and neither are any of my friends, and we'd judge both men and women who did things like that.
Basically what people like you are asking for is a world where nobody judges anyone. A world that basically resembles a big padded nursery, in other words.
Anon you really don't understand what you're talking about, what you said is completely different than what that person said, no, no one wants a "big padded nursery" people are simply saying it's no ones business if someone is doing weird shit in their sex life assuming no one is harmed, hell I even know conservatives who agree it's no ones business, you sound like a nut
> You've spent too long in sex positive, liberal circles if you think all women are totally cool with degenerate sex
where did that anon say that? where? nowhere did that anon nor did anyone say that>>215151>You're delusional if you think people who like being pissed on have high self esteem on average
what have you met people who like being pissed on? some of these people tend to seem like normal ass people, you never know what someone likes in their sex life unless what they like is influenced by how the act, the most that you could tell is that people who tend to be dom irl tend to be dom in the bedroom, as well as people who like being sub irl tend to be sub in the bedroom to, and even that's not accurate considering a lot of business men and executives will hire dominatrixes because they like being dominated for a change, even if someone does want to be pissed on, why does it make them less of a person? No you don't have to want to be pissed on and no, no one is telling you to be okay with being pissed on like you insist we are forcing our sexual beliefs on you, it's simply just no one's business, and no, I'm not saying "OMG U WANT SOME LIBERAL SAFE SPACE YOU BIG NURSERY TIDDY BABY GO SUCK SOME TIDDY!!!!PPL WILL JUDGE YOU IF THEY WANT RETARD!!!! REEEEEEE!!!" like you insist everytime someone says it's just simply no ones business what people like in the bedroom, again, assuming it doesn't hurt anyone
> There's a reason fetishes are so much more common among "geeky" types
ummm, where have you been? while geeky types are more open, tons of people who seem normal may be into kinky shit as well, plus isn't it usually the popular girl stereotype who likes getting gang banged? Have you ever even been in the bdsm community? there's tons of business men, top dogs, business women, no, again, I'm not saying "OMG U SAID PEOPLE WHO LIKE BDSM HAVE HIGH SELF ESTEEM!!!!! REEEE!!!!" I'm simply saying you never know who is into freaky shit, you never know who is into vanilla shit, that's why it shouldn't factor in with how much respect or care someone deserves
PS: when you reply, at least TRY and I mean TRY to use something we actually said as defense instead of putting words and stretching to fit your narrative that kinky people are low life losers and it is 100% always a reflection of who you are and if you disagree with me you're a liberal crybaby who wants the world to be a big liberal safe space
>>215152>You're weak. You want to live in a world where people's thoughts and feelings are informally policed. People judge others.
um hunny, people can promote the idea it's no one's business what people do in the bedroom without being a big bad liberal baby who just wants people thoughts and feelings controlled, what even are doing? people are judged, sure, whatever, but even the most hardcore conservatives I know will even promote the idea that it's people privacy and shouldn't be factored in who they are as a person
> Look at a large portion of the content on lolcow itself for goodness sake. Deal with it.
God, you sound obnoxious as fuck, no one is saying 100% not to judge people at all like you insist since you love putting words in peoples mouths "OMG YOU SAID JUDGEMENT ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF FEELINGS BECAUSE JUDGEMENT CAN REFLECT HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE??????? YOU JUST WANT TO LIVE IN A BIG NURSERY IN A LIBERAL SAFE SPACE AND CONTROL EVERYONES THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS KEK PEOPLE ARE JUDGED DEAL WITH IT NORMIE HOW DARE YOU STATE FACTS!!!!! REEeEEEEeeeeeEE!!"
>nd realize that having a thousand and one "fetishes" isn't normal or healthy.
awe the bitch that's making shit up and reading more delusional shit again, no one is saying it's normal or healthy, and god if you do find a quote of mine or any one elses on this thread where we said having tons of fetishes is normal and healthy then I will beat my computer with a baseball bat, we're just simply saying it's no one business and people should be judged on how they act and who they are, not if they want to get pissed on or whatever, that's ridiculous, and no, no one is saying we want to live in a big padded nursery like you insist we do for daring to think that people should be respected if they deserve respect depending on who they are as a person, not what they like in the bedroom, how liberal and weak of me huh? Get a job sweetie, maybe if you did had one you'd realize how little what people like in the bedroom actually matters
"Many men who turn to submissive fantasies do so for precisely the sort of vacation from responsibility that Roiphe suggests women are seeking. Olivia Severine, a transsexual dominatrix living in San Francisco, says most of her clients were “very high-powered” men weighed down by responsibility. “They came to see me as a brief escape when no one was looking at them for direction or leadership,” she says. “The time with me is when they were told what to do, what to feel and how to act … and all the weight of their careers, families, lives, is lifted from them for a cherished few hours.”"https://www.alternet.org/story/155087/sex_escape%3A_why_do_men_go_to_dominatrixes
it says here that very high-powered men tend to go to dominatrixes…. buT CLEARLY IT'S ONLY LOSER LOW SELF ESTEEM NERDS WHO LIKE BDSM!!!! AND IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU'RE A BIG BABY WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN A NURSERY AND NOT GET JUDGED AND THINKS IT'S NORMAL!!!! REE(stop)
because men are idiots, I've seen more and more feminists support men, and I can easily say I've seen more IG feminist accounts that added men to support such as body pos for men pics, "let boys show emotion" pics, etc, and yet men still insist feminists are just the crazy ones who make everything about them and pretend to be oppressed, ironically, it's the MRAs and MGTOWs who are doing exactly what they are saying feminists are doing, except the outreach is far more
I can NEVER go on the internet anymore, enjoy my news, without seeing men scream and cry and try to twist and turn everything so it oppresses them, and then make straight up bullshit claims about how hard men have it when in reality they don't at all, they just want to go back to a patriarchal society and always have to assume every single woman to be an extreme feminist to prove a point
>woman gets a few years in prison for having sex with a teenage student
men scream that they would be in life in prison if she was a man (which is clearly untrue, because pedophiles who actually rape young children will barely even get a year for each kid)
>man goes to prison, whether it's long or short
men come in screaming how if he was a woman he would be walking away and how "women have been getting away with everything since the beginning of them"
>woman gets in trouble, fired, etc, such as in >>213992
men of course leave gross comments like that, as you can see
>woman gets abused, killed, raped, etc
men come in saying how she either lied or did it to herself or she deserved it
>man gets murdered
men come in screaming how it's inequality because they think people would care more if it was a woman who got hurt
>woman talks about how no one will let her sit down on the subway when she's pregnant
men come in crying about how "what do you want? you want equality? this is it!"
>women talk about their preferences in men
men scream, cry, bitch and moan about how it hurts their self esteem, act as if every single woman demanded a perfect chad even if they all had very diverse preferences that centered around an average men, claim they would cry if it was reverse (ironically, it was reversed, and there was not even a comparable amount of bitching as there was about men bitching about women's preferences even though the women had lower standards kek)
>documentary about a female trucker
men come in and bitch and moan and say shit like "HA ITS EQUALITY YOU STUPID BITCH SUCK IT UP YOU WANTED EQUALITY NOW YOU GOT IT" even though it wasn't even about that, it was simply a documentary about a female trucker, what she has to do, why she's a trucker, what she goes through with the male truckers, etc
men ALWAYS have to make everything about them, they're becoming the feminists they cried about except even bigger than what the feminists did and there's more of them
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>>215211>woman gets a few years in prison for having sex with a teenage student
>men scream that they would be in life in prison if she was a man (which is clearly untrue, because pedophiles who actually rape young children will barely even get a year for each kid)
I want to add something to this that really grinds my gears with the whole Female teacher teenage student thing. Every time I see that kind of story on Youtube, there's always an influx of comments from, you guessed it, other men spouting about how great it is for the kid to do it with his teacher/he was lucky/how if they were him they'd hit it too etc.. and that shit drives me
nuts. It's disgusting as fuck
Lots of men like to complain about how women don't have it as hard as them while simultaneously engaging in stupid shit that brings other men/themselves down. The age of consent is a good example. Any time a boy gets involved with a female teacher, know it all men of the internet will comment on how lucky the kid was at first, then after finding out about a short sentence for the teacher, they'll whine about how women have it so easy compared to men. Then those same people make rape jokes and act like it's nbd and women need to get over it.
Another example I personally heard is this guy bitching about how "cunts get everything in a divorce" and are lazy stay at home golddiggers. I heard this irl on campus. As you can imagine, his logic was that it's all the fault of women and not of the guy who chose to marry a shitty person.
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I don't want to ever hear men complaining that they are oppressed and women control everything. Nothing like pic related would ever happen to a man on the basis of him being a man.
Being a woman fucking blows. People already have their mind made up about you and you can't even get the chance to change it.
Also I want to add that this 'women are too emotional to function' shit has to stop. I wish we were past this already. I don't know any woman whose emotions stop her from doing her job well, or make her incapable of thinking straight. It's men that fly off the handle and throw bitch fits all the time when they don't get their way, but they seem to conveniently forget that anger is an emotion as well.
Relating it back to the screenshot above, there are male directors (like David O'Russell) who have thrown fits on set and are still worshipped and can still get financed whenever their little heart desires. It's bullshit. Seriously, there are videos of his pathetic little outbursts. But I guess it's the women who shouldn't be funded because like, periods and stuff.
I don't believe for a second that women have it easier in that regard. I learned from an early age to hide all of my emotions so that I don't get mocked for being an overemotional girl, hormonal, hysterical, exc.
Even if a man slipped up and showed some emotion other than anger, men and women alike would be there to make excuses for him. If it was in the workplace, he would get another chance. If a woman did, though? She'd be done. There is no second chance. You need to do it perfect and do it the first time or you're fucked. Don't show any weakness or emotion, or you're just an overemotional female incapable of doing anything right.
On the topic of men complaining about women being lazy gold diggers… notice how 80% of the time that's coming from the same men who complain about how they long for the days of traditional women?
So… you WANT women to stay at home and be housewives, completely dependent financially on men… but then complain about them spending their husband's money? Or money factoring into their choice in partner? And these same men always pride themselves on how "logical" they are.
They're also the same men who think women should dedicate their existence to babies and husband because they're more nurturing and that's what nature intended… but then bitch about unfair custody.
Like, all the shit they complain about is the obvious product of the world they want. Yeah, you want a world where women are the ones doing the caretaking of children? You get a world where they get preference in custody battles. Want a world where women rely financially on men? Money is gonna factor into who they marry.
And the same men that say women should only raise children because they're more nurturing and that's the only thing they're good at will turn around and say women literally can't feel emotions and we're all manipulative whores.
They're completely irrational. They have no actual change or solutions to the 'problems' they think are caused by women, they just want to complain. They need a reason to hate women as a whole, and they don't care if the reasons contradict themselves, as long as they have something.
>>215252>women literally can't feel emotions and we're all manipulative whores.
Those same men also like to say how women are much more emotional than men, while men are the more logical sex. They use estrogen against us as "proof" we're just inherently irrational, but completely disregard the mental effects of testosterone.
They also love to use the fact women have a higher rate of anxiety diagnosis against us, but then complain about how men are more likely to commit suicide. So… we're the crazier sex because we have a higher rate of anxiety diagnosis… but y'all are totally sane even though you're significantly more likely to off yourselves?
Rationality just doesn't factor into misogyny. I once had a (now former) friend bitch about how "the difference between men and women is that men have a code when it comes to friendship!" because I let my best friend (who he brutally dumped prior to this) have sex with my boyfriend (who was waaay more his friend than I was). So, you're going to say women don't have a code with friendship when it was your male friend that you were way closer to that fucked your ex? But of course I'm the one to blame because I told them I didn't care if they fucked and I happen to have a vagina. He also said he was way more mad at me than my boyfriend. Because that makes fucking sense. It was my own damn fault, he said irrationally sexist shit to me quite a few times, but I was dumb enough to ignore the red flags because I didn't want to come off as "too feminist".
This same ex-friend also called a girl that rejected him a gold digger because when they went out a couple of times, it was to expensive places… even though he said she always paid for her own food.
they only want women to be financially dependent on them so it traps them into to being slaves
onion for example, how he abused his exes and manipulated them into being financially dependent on them, then when he kicks her out for becoming what he made her and going for the next teen fangirl, he acts as if she's some big bad succubus gold digger for wanting his money because he made her financially dependent on him, most likely forbidden her from getting a job, then acts shocked when she wants money to start out with so she isn't on the streets, since onion can buy 3 houses he should be able to pay the divorce for the women he abused kek
they're big babies honestly, they're just upset that they can't kick women out or bring women in as they choose with no consequences whatsoever, so now they result in calling all women gold diggers over anything
pretty much, anti-feminists like to claim they're for equality when in reality they're literally just doing what they claim to hate feminists for
Once I dated a guy who was an anti-fem, he would laugh and make jokes about my molestation, said "it wasn't that serious and you should just forgive and forget" and ended up breaking up with me then going around and telling all his friends about our sex life but demanded all women to act like "ladies" then refused to act like a gentlemen under his own delusion women are oppressing and abusing men somehow
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>>215271>>215272>mfw there's actual people that think like this
Those guys need a serious reality check
tmi but he was into some pretty degrading stuff in the bedroom….but would call me a whore for agreeing to do those things to make me happy during arguments (which he always started)
honestly I worry about these women pandering to alt right types, I never went that far but I was the "cool" girl who didn't mind her boyfriend making sexist jokes, going to strip clubs etc which was fucking stupid on my part but I didn't want to be seen as a crazy feminist and it got me nowhere, I ended up being abused and with zero self-esteem. I will never do that again and will run as soon as I see a red flag. I'm working on building myself back up again and never being in that situation again but I fear the majority of men have gone to that side.
Nope, no woman should ever date a guy who says he's anti-feminist. I've literally never known one that wasn't abusive to his girlfriend in one way or another, be it mentally, physically, sexually, or all three. They're simply not capable of treating a girlfriend well.
One big thing they try to do is gaslight you into thinking all men think like them and you're never going to find one who has healthy views on women.
But anon, men CAN'T be gold diggers!
No, seriously. Men are retarded and biased as all fuck. I had a boyfriend who lived with me for six fucking months and he wouldn't help with rent, bills, or with keeping the place clean. Which was fair enough, because he was in a tough spot and job-hunting so I didn't complain. However,>bf gets job at last>"we should keep living together, right, anon? that's way cheaper">sure, paying half the rent will be nice for me too>"what do you mean, anon, you want me to share the rent? are you expecting me to pay your bills now that I got a job? I thought you weren't like other women"
Not even kidding. Good thing he already had a job otherwise his ass would be homeless after this.
>>215165>Why do they expect feminists to fight for them
Because many feminists routinely argue that they should work under the flag of feminism to address their problems instead of splitting off? Like maybe you say otherwise, but a lot of them are saying that's exactly what they should do.
The message is all over the fucking map.
Oh god, I can only imagine what these types would think of my relationship with my husband. I'm sure they would say he's been castrated by feminazis and forced into an abusive relationship with a gold digger.
>be semi-trad (trad myself, but don't believe that delusional nonsense that I'm somehow magically better than women who aren't)>be married to feminist man with a lot more money than the average person his age (didn't even know about it until after we got married)>paid my rent for a year>just bought me a $400 bag, Xbox one, several video games, and a bunch of other shit for Christmas>gives me full access to his bank account and mostly says yes when I ask for something
This thread is really reinforcing how lucky I am, since apparently asking a guy to help with rent when he's living with you makes you a gold digger now…
Most men think a woman who wants access to their money (for whatever reason) is a gold digger because "feminism destroyed the natural order of things so now women shouldn't ask for a man's money ever or they're gold diggers". But if they need financial help from their female partner, they just see it as "regular companionship stuff you're supposed to do for your SO".
You're very lucky, anon. I wouldn't be comfortable with getting that much from my bf but your husband sounds like a great guy.
I once had a guy tell me it's not rape if it's someone you previously had sex with. He revealed to me he raped a girl, but he didn't consider it such because since she consented to sex with him before that magically invalidated her saying no after, even though by his own admission she was very clear in saying no over and over again.
Pay fucking attention anytime a guy doesn't consider clear cut examples of rape to be rape. Because chances are, that's because he himself has done it or thinks he should have the right to if he hasn't already. >>215368
How disgusting. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Guys who use their autism to run around acting like low-life pieces of shit and use it as an excuse to harass women give me headaches
knew an autistic guy once who dated my friend, he demanded her drive him everywhere, cry when she didn't want to be sexual with him, she broke up with him because he kept touching all over other women, he was super creepy and followed her everywhere and went through her phone even before they started dating, pretty much demanded her date him, he would cry and play victim if she didnt want to fuck him in the middle of campus, after the break up he would get drunk and harass her and call her, took her nudes and sent it to his friends when she ignored him then called her a whore and said she cheated on him because his friends had her nudes after he sent them to them…. then when my friend told the kids mom what he was doing to her, he played victim and said it was "unequal" that she was telling people what he was doing because he only sent the nudes to 4 people and by his logic, because of that she was only allowed to tell 4 people as well… pathetic
autistic guys tend to be a no-go, given some are harmless who just get obsessed with comic books or video games, autistic women just tend to be very awkward and have odd interests, the big difference between autistic guys vs autistic women can tell a lot about each gender
And Edmund Kemper was forced to sleep in a locked basement and was regularly abused, his mother fearing any sensitivity would "turn him gay". I would still have been pleased if they executed him instead. The woman was a loon and anyone who unironically defends her should not be trusted. >>215534>where as with women most women who do fucked up shit come from fucked up places
A recent counter example would be the girl who encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself, hell we had people tripping over themselves trying to argue she "thought she was only doing the right thing". To the best of my knowledge there have not been any gendered studies on this topic so all arguments will probably be anecdotal.
I remember when that hologram waifu thing came up last year and all the guys sperg in the comments as it being another step closer to “post-biowoman” age. And then there’s >>214219
Which really just is the shit they all think about but won’t admit out loud. Go to any sex doll /sex bot video and read the comments or any article talking about artificial wombs. It’s full of guys waiting for the day when they can replace us and kill us off because their “waifus are now real” and we’re only good for sex and babies. So make their own fake wombs, find a way to make their own ovum and we’re ‘obselete’. They hate us that much. So I cringe hard whenever I see some guy claim that men work hard for women to be happy because I seriously doubt it.
god damn this thread is exhausting, fuck.
All of this. This is why I crack up whenever some man comes into one of these threads and tries to claim that men don't despise women. Or they care more about them than just sex. Absolutely hilarious, good joke.
If it was up to them we would be gone a long time ago and they HATE that we aren't.
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hopefully these "men" can make the holograms cook, clean, work to pay their shit too since they want us to be replaced so badly but also want to sit on their ass and depend on women for everything
everytime I see some loser neckbeard who's probably ugly and useless himself gloat about how "LOL YOU'LL BE REPLACED LADIES MALE POWER" it just reminds me of how badly they just want our attention and act like we would be offended when insecure little boys want to fuck an anime hologram instead of an actual woman
reminds me of when losers on r9k will post a white guy marrying an indian woman then scream about how mad "white roasties" are going to be for whatever reason and act as if it offends girls so much if men date women of another race when in reality they're the ones who get pissed over it, hell I even knew men who got pissed over vibrators ffs, they fail to realize the world doesn't revolve around them and the fact actually attractive, worthy men who won't treat us like shit are available all over and we aren't going to be mourning the loss of some greasy abusive loser who would rather fuck a hologram than a woman
>>215678>everytime I see some loser neckbeard who's probably ugly and useless himself gloat about how "LOL YOU'LL BE REPLACED LADIES MALE POWER" it just reminds me of how badly they just want our attention
They are mad because they're still virgins.>men who won't treat us like shit are available all over and we aren't going to be mourning the loss of some greasy abusive loser
THIS! It's funny how they think that their short, fat, unattractive ass will be missed. They can go on and jack off to their hologram wifu's because its the only thing that will want them, while we still have plenty of attractive and sane men to choose from.
It's just natural selection in a way. They weed themselves out.
Men run the world darling. Literally everything you see around you is built by or invented by a guy. If all women disappeared tomorrow, there would be discontent. If all men disappeared however, there would be anarchy and chaos.
Please, at least be realistic in your nihilistic ramblings. There are far better ways to criticize men than >hehe lol we can just do without them entirely XD(such intellect)
exactly, and we still have a bunch of sperm thats frozen in the bank as well as the scientist who figured out how to turn women's bone marrow into sperm, they think that artificial wombs can keep the human race alive if women disappeared but fail to realize sperm + egg = fetus in wombhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-511391/Death-father-British-scientists-discover-turn-womens-bone-marrow-sperm.html>>215700
nice try, darling, if it wasn't for ada lovelace your ass wouldn't even be typing ignorant shit
also what makes you think there would be anarchy? are you forgetting it's always men who start and involve themselves in war as well as most killers being male, most rapist being male, most everything bad that happens in the world is because of men, also where is your source that "MEN INVENTED EVERYTHING"?
oh right it doesn't exist
Go back to /pol/ and whine about it there.
The only things men are necessary for are physical labor and sperm, but modern technology eliminated the need for that.
>>215700>Men run the world darling.
And the world is currently in a shit, shit state. rely meks u thenk
>If all women disappeared tomorrow, there would be discontent.
And there would be extinction as well. Or do you think men would start birthing XY babies out their asses?
>Literally everything you see around you is built by or invented by a guy
And now women are getting higher education and catching up. Thanks for your contributions so far, but you are no longer necessary.
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easy, the think the world revolves around them, they've been lying to themselves thinking their their flabby man tits, beer belly, and salt and pepper hair is hot and women age like cheese, which as you can see, for most women who don't have drug habits or anorexia, is completely untrue
look at 50 yr old women vs 50 yr old men, men are just hideous creatures in general honestly
Who do you think created said technology? Maintains it?
hint: its not Ada fucking Lovelace (kek)
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variety of people, my dude, which includes a fuckton of men and women
as well as most female programmers in mid 20ths century being, you guessed it, female
go get a history lesson, sweetie
if it wasn't for women, you wouldn't be typing that, plain and simple
Some fair points, but education is shit (no seriously, its shit). Also, the more "equal" a country is, the less women tend to work. Source: Sweden or my country, Netherlands.
Women hate work, and if they can choose, they choose to take care of their babies. Nothing even wrong with that, its literally nature.
Why cant I post pictures btw? My feminist folder just sits there collecting dust :/
Pls drop this shitty argument. It strongly reminds me of>We wuz kangz n shit
Computer science, Artificial intelligence, Electrical Engineering, it's al dominated by men. Im in a top Compsci uni as we speak, 90% is men and the few women there are nothing special. The graduate classes often have 1 or 2 females to 15 men. Note that this is AFTER the great marketing campaign of our goverment to get "more women in tech" (lol).
lets see all the things that wouldn't be here if it wasn't for women
well you and your buddies for one, were all pushed out of a womans vagina, and most likely kept alive until now
unless you're lactose intolerant, a woman produced milk for you to drink to stay alive, healthy and grow until you can eat solid foods
the thing you and your buddies drink every friday while in a jerk circle
the computer or phone you're posting on, would not be here if it wasn't for womenhttps://biztechmagazine.com/article/2012/05/mothers-technology-10-women-who-invented-and-innovated-tech
gaming wouldn't be here, wifi wouldn't be here, if it wasn't for these ~useless~ women you wouldn't be shit talking women on league while enjoying a beerhttp://mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were-invented-women
>>215717>believing that because I brought up lovelace it was the only argument even though if you google you can easily find the fact that so many advancements in technology, specifically computer were made by women
>Computer science, Artificial intelligence, Electrical Engineering, it's al dominated by men
we made it and men use it, also the field is growing with women, so it's not like it's 100% men and no women at all
>Im in a top Compsci uni as we speak, 90% is men and the few women there are nothing special. The graduate classes often have 1 or 2 females to 15 me
"WOMEN AREN'T IN THE SAME CLASSES AS ME THEREFORE WOMEN ARE USELESS PIECES OF SHIT!!!"
wow you sure proved me that women are useless
I should also add that the men here are nothing special either. It just seems that at the higher end its always men prevailing, and the rare women that does gets there is usually through affirmative action or literal dick sucking (see the disasters that were Ellen Pao or Marissa Mayer)>>215719>the computer or phone you're posting on, would not be here if it wasn't for women
Bullshit and cope. I thought r9k incels were delusional but this is just as bad WTF! Seek mental help.>>215721
Ok sorry im off to bed anyway
>>215713>education is shit
Gee, then the world is going to end soon because men and women get literally the same education. Also >>215718
Nobody likes to work, robot. Also, biology is not very relevant in current society. Not saying that there aren't differences, it's just that culture and customs are such omnipresent, powerful forces that most biological drives are sublimated and turned into weird as fuck desires and ambitions, to the point that you can't really say "it's biology" about any behavior or trait and be done with it.
About women not working, youth in Japan isn't either, male and female. Same thing in my country. The economy is shit, people are starting to accept the fact that the capitalist dream of getting rich is a lie, and the more realistic people are just opting out. You can't just say "hurr women like growing babies in their vaginas and hate money thats all".
The "women hate working" shit is just something they use to justify their view that women don't belong in the workforce at all. They think if they keep repeating that, more society at large will push it, and eventually it will have an impact and fuck us over. Back to the kitchen, indeed.
[Anecdotal.] I may hate my job, but there is nothing I love more than knowing that I put in a days work and received payment for it that allows me to be self sufficient and not have to ask for help. It's a great feeling that I got even when I was working minimum wage in high school. It makes you feel like you are moving forward, even if it's only incrementally. Plus unless you've landed your actual dream gig I do think it's a little bit healthy to have a small hatred of your job, because it pushes you to do better, be better, and thus be worthy of better jobs. Some people may think that's a little fucked though.
Sage for anecdotal, but I mentioned people being disillusioned with capitalism because of my own experience too. I love my job, but that's because I chose to get a degree on a subject I absolutely love and want to know more about; I want to do research and contribute to the furthering of knowledge. My family could support me indefinitely - I'd have to be a perma-poorfag, but that'd be fine because what matters is my dedication to my field. I do have ambition, and I do want to do something great, I just… know that money won't be one of my rewards.
I managed to get a job despite all odds, but I'm still pretty much a perma-poorfag. That's fine with me. I don't wanna be part of the rat race and waste all my time doing something I hate just so I can get a paycheck and sorta do what I like on weekends, dreading the coming of monday. IMO technology has advanced way too much to justify the generalized poverty. The economy and the job market are fucked. I can't possibly blame anyone who decides to opt out, not even fat neckbearded NEET incels, and especially not women if they have the option to still have a good life despite working few hours.
Compared to whom? If you mean these kids then yea, but thats not really hard. Most people are REALLY stupid!>>215728>Gee, then the world is going to end soon because men and women get literally the same education. Also >>215718
No, some men actually take time to learn their profession on their own, instead of soley relying on the graded obstacle course that is university (lol) to teach them everything.
These are new times, and men take risk, whereas the women are still sticking to the tried and tested route. It comes as no surprise that its guys who change the world with their inventions. They fail more, but they succeed more as well. This is literally biologically determined (iq distribution being an important factor) so its not even sexism. There is a lot more to say about this but im afraid its of no use.>>215732
Hey whats wrong with hating having to work? I hear men do it all the time as well. There is no honor or glory in "working" this is just propaganda to make us more productive. You think prehistoric men were like "geej, I wish we didnt have enough food for today so I could hunt again and potentially die!"?
Raising babies is one of the noblest things there is, its hard too so dont fall for the jew trick of the "liberated woman".
Anyway im really off now sorry for mansplaining :^)(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
>>215738>Raising babies is one of the noblest things there is
And how truly convenient it is that men don't want to be the ones to do it, so it becomes the only thing women are good at.
Men truly are insufferable, and transparent to boot.
>>215741>And how truly convenient it is that men don't want to be the ones to do it, so it becomes the only thing women are good at.
This. Never seen a man admit "nobility" in changing a shitty ass and diaper five times a day. Or trying to console a screaming toddler for the umpteenth time.
Feeding a baby when all it wants to do is spit and fuss.
Getting no sleep while the baby projectile vomits and screeches throughout the night.
And babies are relatively easy. As they grow into children and teenagers their demands and behavior become increasingly needy and tasking.
exactly, I hope this guy had a shitty mom (and I mean actually shitty, not a mom who wouldn't let you go to your white trash friends party at 12 am) growing up so at least it would be some type of an excuse
Imagine carrying a fetus for 9 months, having to have a special diet and do so much shit to guarantee your baby turns out healthy and okay, spending tons of money on doctor appointments, stocking up on diapers, clothes, cribs, etc, dealing with changes in your body, forcing a fucking baby out your vagina and being in pain for hours, changing shitty diapers, cleaning up baby vomit all over your sweater, sleepless nights, embarrassment in public when your baby cries randomly, breastfeeding and having your nipples leak milk everywhere, trying to teach a kid to walk, talk, basic needs, paying for education and care, just to have the kid grow up to be a piece of shit who runs around disrespecting women and treating them like trash, thinking you're more superior than the person who, if it wasn't for, you'd be nothing today
FUCKING THIS CAN WE JUST VENT FUCK
>”men fucking hate us”>”umm no :) men die 4 u :) men work to make women happy :) men made everything :) so just shut ur fucking mouth u whore while we replace u all :)”
How many times are we going to be beaten over the head with those ‘men built civilization. men are better than women in everything so shut up about misgony’ comments?
Exactly. I used to just hate how much men hated women but the more I have to interact with them the more I actually begin to hate them and dread ever having to deal with them.
I don’t see one redeeming quality anymore. >>215738
I thank god for the “Jew trick of the liberated woman” everyday, since it means I don’t have to live under the boot of a man like you. Id rather be a slave to my employer like you’re implying and be self sufficient than serve some fuck who literally hates me and thinks I’m worthless. And all under the guise of “love” which we all know men don’t actually feel towards women. If I couldn’t be a “liberated woman” I’d rather be fucking dead.
Either stop talking to him about it or this >>215814
Men don't listen, there's nothing you can say to improve him>>215801
They get rejected, can't understand that it's because they're pieces of shit, and start making up all sorts of weird theories about what women want. The male power fantasy is some manly buff dudes, so they think that must be it. That's literally all there is to it.
Have you seen what No Bullshit actually looks like? He's sooo alpha and not at all fat and unattractive. The audacity of him to make fun of other men's looks lmao.
Dude is a raging misogynistic prick too. I'm sure he's just drowning in pussy.
That was interesting to read
Honestly, I believe a lot of this "bdsm" porn should be investigated, I get its a fetish and all, but the thing is that people nowadays are taking it way too far, making victims pass out, hanging them, all the while the women seem to genuinely hate it, the porn industry really needs a deep down investigation and have all the misogynists who force women to do gross shit because they hate them need to be arrested, but it's America, people are more worried about weed and 18 yr olds fucking their teacher consentually than actually investigating actual harmful people
Porn honestly shouldn't even be legal. It's all
>>215907>I get its a fetish and all
Lel that should never even be used to excuse vile and harmful behavior regardless of how far it's escalated. I swear to god soon enough 40 year old men will start framing their pedophilia under the guise of a fetish and people will be tripping over each other to scream at others not to kink shame.
I wonder why anyone would turn a blind eye to destructive or self-destructive tendencies the second it crosses into sexual and "kinky" territory.
Men try to excuse this type of porn by saying that we want it. Some or even many women may want to be humiliated, tied up etc etc. BUT they want it in a safe enviroment with a loving partner, not in ACTUAL rape and torture porn that is being displayed to men over the world so they can revel in their hate for women. These men in the videos are sick human beings that beat these girls even when they genuinely beg them to stop and the stars that do this type of porn have deep issues (often from child sexual abuse) and need help, they should not be used as an excuse as to why
women generally want to be treated this way.
I will personally never engage in violent sex with any man, because I know that it will only enable his behaviour and make him think that it's okay to treat women this way.
And lastly. The fact that there are over 1 million views on several of the videos in that link, proves that there are many men that think this is okay. Our hatred of men, and us being scared of them is completely justified when we look at what they want to do to us.
Sorry for a long post but I needed to vent.
Well. Can't unsee what I've seen here.
Why the fuck are men like this? I'll truly never look at them the same again after the past few years of my life, but that's kind of besides the point. I'm fine with avoiding men and calling it a day for me, but are women literally doomed to take this shit from men forever? I can't imagine how women who bring daughters into the world feel, it just gets worse and worse every single day. And there's nothing we can do to make things better for the women who come after us, is there?
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All my life I've subconsciously had empathy for misogynists, empathy for killers, empathy for incel types. I don't hate men at all, mean or nice, and that makes misogyny hard to deal with. How do you empathize with someone who hates you so much without hating yourself as well? I know it's possible but I still haven't figured it out. It's gotten so bad that despite my feminist ways I've subconsciously believed that I deserve to suffer just for wanting to look sexy, or even just for being a woman. That's the message I've received over and over again. It's all over media as an implication, and then occassionally some psychopath or robot will say it explicitly as if we weren't already aware. All I want is to move on and love myself as a woman and love my body and not have this thorn in my side but every day I'm given 10 more examples of how unrelentingly some men hate and dehumanize us and my self esteem isn't high enough to laugh it off. My mental and emotional well being has improved so much lately except for the obstacle that is misogyny. The amount of confidence and strength it would take to be able to genuinely say "I don't hate you, I feel a detached compassion towards you, and it doesn't make me feel bad about myself that you hate me and fantasize about hurting me and don't see me as a human subject" over and over again seems so unreasonably high. Why should I have to ascend to that level just to not have ridiculous amounts of internalized misogyny? I guess life isn't fair to anyone and it always takes more than we expect to get rid of our suffering, but still. I know I could just hate the people who hate me but I'm inclined to believe the slightly crunchy idea that genuinely hating people tears you up, even though empathy for them has torn me up too. I don't know what to do!
Sorry this is so incoherent and self obsessed. I really need to vent and you guys seem like some of the few that would understand. I really those of us with internalized shame can all work past this and someday feel comfortable and happy as women without denying how much we have been insulted hurt and wronged.
Ikr, it always makes me cringe when ugly greaseballs who have nothing good about their personality except when they pretend to be good for a bit, and then they have these high ass expectations, when they see the "perfect" woman they jump straight into harassing her or just expecting her to fangirl over him despite him being a gross loser, then whining and playing victim when they don't get what they want, which that want is a pretty wife to abuse and trap, theyre babies who want the world to cater to them, most likely have been handed everything throughout life, been a spoilt child whos mom or dad brought them everything they wanted and never disciplined them so now they run around thinking they can do anything and everything they want and believe the world revolves around them
If not a spoilt baby, if they do come from a shitty household they get entitled by thinking the world owes them something and whine when they get a reality check
Anon, not to be harsh or unhelpful, but I really think all you need is time. I used to have a similar mindset as you do now - but even worse, because I always felt the need to prove men like that WRONG. I also bought into the "hatred tears you up" thing, and I wanted to help them. I wanted to show them that women are human, and we are capable of doing good things and we don't deserve all the hatred and vitriol they direct at us, and they would probably be healthier if they let it go. Then slowly it became about me just wanting the hatred towards women to stop, because it hurt too much and I was surrounded by it. With one man in my life eventually that turned into me wanting to prove that I was "one of the good ones." That's how bad it got. I would do anything to impress him and show him that I was 'different' than other women and worthy of him not hating me for being a woman. But the thing is with men like that, it doesn't matter what you do or say. They don't want or need your empathy, and nothing you can do can change them or make them feel differently about women or the world as a whole. And most importantly, nothing you can do can make them see you as human. They never will. No matter what you do with your life, they won't respect you. There's nothing you can do, and you will waste time and energy by trying. Don't let men change how you live your life because no matter what choice you make, they will find some way to hate it. In the end you will be exhausted, you will hate yourself, you will look at other women differently and start to doubt them as well. Eventually you realize you need to step away and make some changes, and it takes forever to break free from that line of thinking and stop hating yourself and others. It's difficult.
But, overtime, you just stop caring. You stop feeling the need to change others. You stop feeling the need to prove yourself to men. Maybe it is defeatist, but I believe it is healthier. You learn and accept that men just hate women, and you move on with that knowledge. Only put yourself in situations with men that you know you can handle and you know won't damage your self esteem further. Wish those men the best in life, but stop exerting your energy trying to get them to see what you want them to see. They don't want to see it, and they can't see it.
It's always good to have empathy for others but try to reserve some for yourself as well. Don't try to help the ones that hate you at the expense of your own wellbeing. I think eventually you will just become tired. And then you'll go through an anger stage. And then a second stage of sadness. And then eventually indifference, and things start to look up a little bit. I will add that the best way I've found to recover from self hatred stemming from being a woman/internalized misogyny, forming strong friendships with other women, or just talking to a lot of other women, has been extremely important in my experience. We're all different but a lot of us also have similar experiences and it helps to relate to each other in order to not feel so alone. We definitely all understand misogyny, and it helps to be able to word vomit it at other women and let them do the same back to you. Hope this helps.
TLDR: The only winning move is not to play.
I'm glad it helped a bit, anon. I hope things get better for you. >>215956
No, misogyny still hurts me. Immensely, if I'm being honest. I'm probably not the best person to ask about this because I'm not completely immune to it. But does it still make me suicidal? Not really. Does it make me hate myself as much as it used to? Not really. It still makes me cry, it makes me angry, it makes me fear for the safety and happiness of other women. But I still keep going because I know misogyny will never end, and I can't drain myself by dwelling on it.
But overall I'm just a little bit more numb to it now because I expect it. I'm so accustomed to it from just about every man I've ever met or even heard of, that it's just an everyday occurrence that you have to grin and bear. This was the part where I mentioned that "maybe it is defeatist" or something in my original post. I just accept that this is the way men are, and I no longer dive head first into misogynistic spaces trying to change them or prove them wrong. In fact, I avoid misogynistic spaces as much as possible, which is the number one piece of advice I can give. Yes, misogyny is extremely prevalent and difficult to avoid. But definitely don't go out of your way to seek it out as a strange form of masochism. If there are viciously misogynistic men in your life, get rid of them if possible. If you frequent spaces on the internet where hatred of women is a dominant viewpoint, stop going there. It is easier said than done, but if you do it you will notice a difference.
I'm sorry I don't have better advice on how to stop feeling bad about it. I think that's a natural reaction that it will be very hard to curb. The very thing that you are and you can't hide from being is fucking despised by most of the world, and that hurts to your core. Sometimes when I get down about it it helps to think of the older or past women who have dealt with it decades longer than I have, and I get inspired by them and how they just didn't give a fuck. They got through it, the majority of them in worse circumstances, so we probably will too. Hopefully one day we will all be at a point where we can just tell the world to fuck off.
>>215961>It's just so much harder when there's sexual, emotional, and bodily attachments involved
Absolutely. And I don't even think we should necessarily be striving to make the pain from it go away completely, because I don't think it ever will. It's just too deep and too prevalent to become completely immune to it. I think all we can do is find ways to make it manageable for ourselves and other women as much as we possibly can, and try not to let it dissuade us from pursuing whatever personal endeavors we hold important to us.
Just continue to move forward anon, and like you said, always allow yourself the patience and gentleness you need in order to do so.
When they say that men and women have the same propensity for violence…
All Homicide Types by Gender, 1976-2005. From Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Dept of Justice.
Eldercide: Male 85.2%, Female 14.8%
Felony murder: Male 93.2%, Female 6.8%
Sex related murder: Male 93.6%, Female 6.4%
Gang related murder: Male 98.3%, Female 1.7%
Drug related murder: Male 95.5%, Female 4.5%
Workplace murders: Male 91.3%, Female 8.7%
Argument murders: Male 85.6%, Female 14.4%
Gun homicide: Male 91.3%, Female 8.7%
Multiple victims: Male 93.5%, Female 6.5%
Child murder: of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by men.
but yeah keep saying not all men.
point is not ALL men but ENOUGH men…
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I don't hate all men either since I'm lucky enough to know a handful of really good ones. I really feel for the women who have never known a decent man.
Oh god, men who hit on women while they're working really piss me off. It's so awkward rejecting a customer because you have to be as nice about it as possible even when they're pushy.
My poor best friend is 27 and has a hideous hamplanet in his 50's constantly hitting on her even though she always rejects him. He's the son of her store's owner, so she can't just plain tell him to fuck off like she would with anyone else. It's so disgusting, he does shit like invite her to stay in hotel rooms with him for trips he's going on.
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So, now men are the primary victims of workplace sexual harrassment, because women have the audacity to speak up about it these days. We just want to be treated like professionals in a professional environment, but no…we need to keep our mouths shut and just accept that men are going to make lewd comments at us and touch us in ways they would never touch their male coworkers.
Women are always the problem. Men are always innocent and manipulated by women. Even when it is clear as fucking crystal that men are the problem, society at large will always come to the defense of men, and find a way to make it women's fault again. And then women will suffer for it. The solution won't be "well maybe we should not be creeps at work, and treat everyone with respect", the solution will be "don't hire women because they are liabilities and you wouldn't want to be accused of sexual harassment now would you!?"
It's just unbelievable. Why go on? The world fucking hates us and will do anything to beat us back down into 'our place.'
This tweet was one of the responses to a retweet of the article. "Women created this problem of men not being able to control their urges and treat women as autonomous human beings." It is always, and will always be seen as women's fault. There is nothing we can do to be respected or seen as worthy.
Omg this squirmy little snake sharon. What's been happening at my male-dominated workplace recently is that over and over again, certain men will make a sexual joke at my expense, and then IMMEDIATELY and i mean IMMEDIATELY fall over themselves apologizing like i'm gonna run to our nonexistent HR. So now if I confront them about it after that I look like a jerk for rubbing it into someone who already feels soooo bad. It makes me feel like i simultaneously come off as a thot and like a humorless bitch you have to walk on eggshells around.If you're a guy reading this and wondering what else you're supposed to do, ask yourself why you're sexualizing someone who's literally just trying to do a normal job, and do the "manly" thing and wait for my actual reply after your stupid joke, who knows, maybe it wasn't actually that bad and I won't be offended. You don't get to know other people's reactions beforehand though. Who would've thought?
There was a point where I tried to wear tight sport bras to tamp down my tits and cover up beyond what was necessary for weather or dresscode, which is ridiculous to even feel compelled to do, but it's too late, I'm marked as a young woman and the only way I could avoid awkward treatment is to be invisible or in another form.
The last thing I want to do for myself and my fellow woman is to run to my male boss to report a fucking JOKE, like some sjw stereotype, and thus contribute to workplace sexual harrassment claims being treated like a silly sitcom womp womp plot device. But I might confront YOU about it, sorry that's apparently so fucking terrifying to a grown adult.
>>216066>if you're a guy reading this and wondering what else you're supposed to do,
They aren’t wondering this, because they don’t give a fuck. They are given free reign to do and say whatever they want and people like Sharon and the woman who wrote this article and everyone praising it will make excuses for them and blame women for being upset that we aren’t treated like people.
Men don’t wonder, they don’t give a FUCK about women, they love having us in a subordinate position not listening or taking us seriously. Why would they change? Sounds fucking great for them. And only them.
>>216063>You teach people how to treat you. I will not engage in sex jokes so guess what? Creeps like that stay away from me at work! Women ceated this whole problem, so many yse their sexuality to benefit so why should't men think we want attention.
The funny thing is that it does not even matter if we don't 'use our sexuality', WOMEN STILL GET HARRASSED! It literally does not matter what a woman looks like or what she is wearing. We still get harrassed. We could be wearing a black trashbag and a dude would get horny. >>216069
i am sure every woman has witnessed a dude touch or adjust his dick in public. it's disturbing and disgusting.
I mean, neither are two inch thrillers, point is that its gross and inappropriate
same men probably run around demanding women to be ~classy ladies with manners~ but live in a greasebin and touch their yeast filled dick with their cheeto covered fingers while we watch
What does that have to do with anything? Finding a restroom, turning towards a wall, waiting a couple minutes until they can be somewhere others won't see it doesn't take much.
For fuck sake, I'm a D cup, that's like half a liter of fat boobs on my chest and yet if I adjust them or my bra in public I get weird looks and depending on who's around me, even comments on how I should act more ~ladylike~.
Either stop touching your dick in public or let me touch my boobs too. And don't even get me started on men SCRATCHING THEIR ITCHY SCROTUM IN PUBLIC holy shit. Men are so entitled and narcissistic they think they're exempt from basic manners because they just can't
be uncomfortable for a few minutes.
I can only speak for myself but even flacid it's a solid 4 inches and I'm fairly average in size, plus I still occasionally get a chub anyways somewhat randomly anyways. I've had my dick pinched quite painfully a few times in my pants, it's not an ego thing. This thread had some interesting points about workplace harassment etc but complaining men adjust their dick in their pants or spread their legs (the issue is normally testicles, not the dick itself) when sitting is scratching the bottom of the barrel.>>216104>Either stop touching your dick in public or let me touch my boobs too.
I mean maybe it's just the people I know but women in my social circle adjust their bra strap or even breast feed regularly and it's never been an issue. In the office sure, but anything more than that wide step trick would be frowned upon too.
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>>216111>goes into a detailed decription about muh dick
No one asked faggot.
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You were the ones talking about dicks. No one asked, but I will correct misinformation.
I'm fairly certain I have a more accurate insight as to why men "manspread". >>216119
Always glad to see cool heads prevail on this board.
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>man comes into a thread he obviously won't like
>>216130>give us a level headed reasonable explanation for why men hate women so much
Simply put? Because I don't believe that's true. I discussed this in a different thread and I was told I was lying/was a crypto-robot/whatever. Is there an ignorance of female specific problems? Sure. Not to mention I only brought up my sex because it was specific to the point at hand.
>I swear to god man I don’t even like dicks as much as men like dicks.
I mean I am a pretty fan of my own dick. We've been through some hard times together. You guys were talking about dicks though, I don't get why it's such a big deal I referenced my own member when refuting some of your points about how they supposedly work. It goes both ways, I would defer to a woman discussing her own bits.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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>>216111>goes on a rant about muh dick>compares public masturbation to breastfeeding and adjusting bra straps
Like, for fucks sake just read the thread for once and see all the examples of men fucking despising women. Sure seems like love to me.
It's nice that you've found men who can contain their hatred of women and pretend it doesn't exist. But they still do, and they all reveal it eventually.
Mommy loved these boys despite all their flaws!
Mommy cooked their meals, cleaned their bedrooms, gave them money, washed their clothes… everything!
Every girl must be just like mommy. Clean after them and expect nothing in return.
You know, girls get picked on all the time and men keep insisting that we all have daddy issues. We should start calling out their oedipal tendencies as well.
All great points. Especially
> They expect love but they give shit in return
Men preach love when it benefits them. They are extremely transparent, which is good actually. I'm completely done with their shit. It's getting pathetic that they can do all this shit to women and then still turn around and expect us to fawn over them and kiss their ass as they rub in our faces how they can do anything they want to us.
The next man who tries to post his dumb sob story about being a nice guy or how all his shitty friends love women can just get fucked, go subscribe to MGTOW and save us all some time.
All of anon's points- yes + if any male lurkers seriously want to say that men do 'love' women, just head over to the abuse in porn thread and have a read. Men loving women so much that violent rape is a common theme. And when porn stars speak out? Wheres that 'love'?
The only love men have for women is their love to abuse, degrade, dehumanize and kill us.
Lmao what exactly did you read that ticked you off so much? Did you not read the title of this thread? This is literally where women get to vent about men…
"I am a woman" sure honey sure…
The thread is tame, actually. Less of a man-hate thread and more of a vent-about-misogyny thread. Not sure why that bothers you so much. Gotta defend the menz though I guess, those precious little angels.
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god those comments are a goldmine, how can men complain about women being "too sexual these days" while also being such slaves to their own sexuality that they get in accidents over it?
being such slaves to their own sexuality to the point of coining even old women who wear fucking yoga and children who wear yoga pants to be be "constantly grasping onto to their sexuality"
it's like they have it in their minds that anyone of the female gender only ever does anything to cater to them but then get upset and go on rampages, drive to parking lots to make embarrassing videos over the concept they put in their own minds that anything a woman does, say, or do is for sexual reasons or for men
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Think of the whole "IM IGNORING YOU!!!!" meme. They "go their owm way" but don't realize most women don't give a shit that some greasy loser isnt in the dating pool, when they can't get a reaction out of us or attention from us they get pissed and now have to constantly bash, whine, and make batshit crazy theories about women despite claiming they just want to ignore women
Funny enough, it was probably these men who take the whole "woman ignores you but she actually wants attention" sterotype seriously, and yet look where we are
they want to pretend they have standards and are so obsessed with making women feel like shit about themselves, they declare any woman over a certain age to be unattractive just so women will flock to any man while they're young (if they're dumb enough to fall for incel myths of course) despite the fact they promote "going their own way"(not as if they had a choice or anything kek)
and if they do find a woman attractive they will find any reason to coin her as shitty and awful unless she's a ~perfect little christian young qt who never seen a man in her life~ then again mgtows even then will try to find something wrong with those types of women and claim she only avoids men for attention and how those women are the biggest whores of them all
they hate women so much that avoiding them isn't enough but when they are attracted to a woman they excuse it and make all kinds of bullshit up that she's an attention whore, she's pretending to be a certain way, etc
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Disregarding the ugly art, I find this is a pretty good representation of this thread
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>>216168>if you're not sexual, you're useless according to men and will end up hitting the wall "sad and lonely" and aging is karma >if you are sexual, you're a worthless whore and should get beaten, raped and abused>if you save yourself you don't exist and/or will just "turn into a slut">college age girls are all whores so don't date them>if you hit 25 and not married you "hit the wall" and are useless and will never find a man and you're miserable >anything you do, say, or wear either makes you "Craving male attention and constantly grasping onto your sexuality!! avoid!!!" or a "ugly bitter lonely prude!!! avoid!!!!">men can't even have simple friendships with women without having to shit on them or avoid them if they aren't a potential dating partner >whine about women giving in too quickly to sex>get traumatized when rejected >any situation ever where a women gets financial assistance is her gold digging (in some women pay for themselves she's gold digging, mgtows nowadays are accusing women who work jobs of gold digging to kek)
>"men love women!!! we swear!!!!"
also lets not forget
>make standards extremely for women to be considered fully attractive without men having to complain about something not being enough on women (big round smooth butt, 50 inch hips, 20 inch waist, flat tummy, smooth, perfect innie vagina, 38 inch thighs, big round perky tits with tiny nips, narrow shoulders and rail arms, perfect dolly face and poreless skin)>treat women like they're subhuman if they don't have something they really like (ie; big boobs, big ass, etc)>call women hysterical for not feeling good enough or having insecurities >fap to women who have had plastic surgery>go insane when women consider plastic surgery or have already had it >claim it's women with extremely high standards because they saw a few women talk about how they like large penises or see men with nice bodies get fangirled over on ig
but yeah, men sure do love women, maybe in whatever fantasyland you live in
Do they realize how pathetic this makes them look/sound? The wall is karma for….what exactly? Not having sex with you? Having sex with other men who aren't you? Not giving up all of their autonomy and self respect in order to be your bangmaid?
What horrible crimes. Women surely are the worst.
this is the video, it's like they want women to be traditional, then pull this shit when women are traditional
NOTHING is ever good enough for them
See how much men despise women even when women have done nothing to them? That comment section proves it.
Even women who are just trying to get through life and work hard in their career is reprehensible to these guys. Women who have done nothing morally or legally wrong. That’s all it takes for men to wish death and misery on you lmao. They truly are psychotic.
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I swear to god do these men think every woman above 25 can't get pregnant at all and their ovaries turn into raisins
yes, they think women should just kill themselves in a dumpster past 25 because that’s when they “HIT A WALL.”
and if these shriveled up wombhavers do by some miracle get pregnant, they’re reckless sluts who don’t even care about the baby because it’ll definitely have down syndrome.
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Confession: I have a weird obsession with going to those Red Pill/MGTOW forums and reading their shit. It's like going to a free zoo filled with screeching gorillas. They claim to be oh so rational but their opinions are based on like a single 'muh female natuuur' that they exploit in order to discredit women.
They claim that 'women are responsible for downfall of western civilization' or that 'all women are hypergamous and want that chad cock carousel'.
Also, as a Middle Eastern woman I can't not bring up the obsession that some of them have with Asian/Middle Eastern women…it is so freakin creepy. Like they say that American women 'are too loose' and all are 'whores', and that it's better to get a bride from those regions as they will be more compliant and submissive. Way to degrade so many women at the same time.
It's so fucking pathetic, but I can't look away, it's like watching a multiple car crash.
I know what you mean anon, it's like they think they can sprout out all this bullshit and yet women of their liking are going to enjoy them somehow? I'm vietnamese, my experience with these men is that they expect you to be a perfect submissive dog to them and get mad and talk to their friends about what a whore you are for daring to have a mind of your own, do these men think that we would just give ourselves to them just because they like a certain race of women solely for their stereotype so they can abuse us? Do they not realize women want to be happy to and the world doesn't revolve around them
God, this is why I avoid any guy who talks about how much he wants an ~azn gf~, I hope their male order brides poisons and kills these ugly excuses for men
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jesus christ, I cringed at how obnoxious this was, I really hope he's trolling, I can't imagine someone being so damn delusional, blind and living in a fantasy land? His comment had "insecure delusional greaseball" written all over it
..ew. They’re OBSESSED with wombs, ovaries, women ‘hitting the wall’ and not being fertile anymore (at 25).. why. Why are these retards so fixated on reproductive organs and the state of them inside women they’re suppose to stay away from forever.
Anedoctal but I’ve never witnessed any woman be so obsessed with penises and sperm as mgtows (and red pillers) are with vaginas and fertility
>>216340>Anedoctal but I’ve never witnessed any woman be so obsessed with penises and sperm as mgtows (and red pillers) are with vaginas and fertility
Because a woman can easily get knocked up anytime she wants, usually if a guy wants to have a kid (on purpose, with consenting female), a guy must already make enough money to afford a car, house, and many other things, before any woman will agree to have kids with him.
One man could literally impregnate every woman on Earth, a woman can only give birth once every 9 months. A man's age doesn't effect risk of birth defects like a woman's age does.
Even men who have given up on women, are still upset about the decreasing number of women suitable to have children with, because that's basically why
they have given up on women or having children.
Many things make a woman unsuitable or undesirable to have children with:
- Not being a virgin (the more sexual partners a woman has had, the more likely she is to cheat, divorce/break-up, have STDs, be incapable of forming bonds or having a healthy relationship)
- Being too old, late 20s is already too old
- Already having children (single mothers)
- Being a feminist SJW, etc.
Obviously A LOT of woman fall into these categories, in fact the large majority of women are terrible or unsuitable candidates to have children with.
There is such a small population of potential suitable mothers, compared to the much larger population of men who want children, that these potential mothers are highly competed for, and rightfully so, these potential mothers can have very high standards and demands.
So the large majority of men who want children are left with nothing, because they can't compete, this obviously can frustrate them to the point of suicide or murder, to give up and identify as MGTOW, to give up and move to Thailand to fuck $30 cute Asian prostitutes, etc.
oh shit here we go again.
And men have no fault in this, huh? Men are perfect little angels who definitely don't treat women like shit. Sure buddy. Blame women for any and all of your shortcomings and everything will be fine. It's definitely not you, it's literally everybody else.
if you read this thread, literally everything you said has been proven false
>Because a woman can easily get knocked up anytime she wants, usually if a guy wants to have a kid (on purpose, with consenting female), a guy must already make enough money to afford a car, house, and many other things, before any woman will agree to have kids with him.
yeah, no, is this why gas station cashiers run around with tons of kids? plus don't poor families tend to have even more kids? so you're wrong about that first of all, women are easy to have kids with no matter how much you got, stop listening to incels and actually leave your house
>One man could literally impregnate every woman on Earth, a woman can only give birth once every 9 months. A man's age doesn't effect risk of birth defects like a woman's age does.
your point? and some women will refuse little shits like you, and no it's not because you're not rich it's because you're an asshat sprouting mentally ill shit like this, secondly, a mans age does affect if a man can get a hard on or not and there are aging risks in men as well with fertilityhttps://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/features/age-raises-infertility-risk-in-men-too
it's natures way of telling you that men ain't excused from aging either sweetie
>Even men who have given up on women, are still upset about the decreasing number of women suitable to have children with
maybe it's because YOUR OWN delusions make you think there is a decreasing number of women suitable to have kids with and this thread proves that
>because that's basically why they have given up on women or having children.
yeah, sure, aka they're too lazy to get laid and now want to scream and cry roastie whores when stacy won't fuck them on demand
>Many things make a woman unsuitable or undesirable to have children with:
- Not being a virgin (the more sexual partners a woman has had, the more likely she is to cheat, divorce/break-up, have STDs, be incapable of forming bonds or having a healthy relationship)
- Being too old, late 20s is already too old
- Already having children (single mothers)
- Being a feminist SJW, etc."
thank you for proving my point that it's not that women aren't suitable for kids it's that your own delusion runs on that, also the whole "more sexual partner more likely to cheat or have a healthy relationship" thing is bullshit, I knew tons of cheating girls who were virgins, plus in the victorian times when girls were pretty much forced to be virgins til they were sold off, explain why most relationships were abusive and she went to go fuck the butler? right
>Obviously A LOT of woman fall into these categories, in fact the large majority of women are terrible or unsuitable candidates to have children with
honey, there's tons of women who make perfect waifus, it's just they either see ridiculous shit like this and want to run far away as possible from you, look in the teen thread, several young virgin women talked about how they try to avoid men who sprout out shit like you and refuse to disclose that they're virgins just to avoid men like you
"So the large majority of men who want children are left with nothing, because they can't compete, this obviously can frustrate them to the point of suicide or murder, to give up and identify as MGTOW, to give up and move to Thailand to fuck $30 cute Asian prostitutes, etc."
Look, as an asian woman myself, no one gives two shits if you wanna fuck a plastic ladyboy from thailand, if not being able to get a perfect little virginal young slave that are anti feminist right wingered waifus frustrates you to the point of suicide or murder than just kys or put yourself in a looney bin, it's not womens faults you're a damn nutcase, these women exist, they just save themselves for men who are worthwhile IE NOT you, sorry for the reality check honey
It's actually completely the fault of men, men allowed women to act like this, and it literally destroyed society.
Women are only allowed as much power as men give them. Blaming women is like blaming the child instead of the parent.
>>216347>A man's age doesn't effect risk of birth defects like a woman's age does.
Yes it does. Lets take autism for example, since you most likely are an autist yourself. >Autism rates were 66 percent higher among children born to dads over 50 years of age than among those born to dads in their 20s. Autism rates were 28 percent higher when dads were in their 40s versus 20s.
And not just that, both teen moms and age gaps (your average redpillers favourite things) increase the likelihood too.>* Autism rates were 18 percent higher among children born to teen moms than among those born to moms in their 20s.>* Autism rates also rose with widening gaps between two parents’ ages. These rates were highest when dads were between 35 and 44 years old and their partners were 10 or more years younger
But we know you don't actually give a shit about healthy pregnancies or good mothers or lasting marriages, of course you haven't bothered to look up any information that doesn't support your god given right to a harem of underage 10/10 virgins.
God back to /pol/ dude. Nobody gives a shit.
Women are "feminist SJWs" now because we got sick and tired of how men treating us like subhuman shit. You don't want to be in a relationship with another human being you can procreate and start a family with, you want a fucking sex slave. Please get a sexbot or a body pillow and fuck all the way off.
>>216322>They claim that 'women are responsible for downfall of western civilization'
The doublethink is truly amazing. Women are worthless and incapable and men built civilization, but somehow women managed to get enough power to destroy civilization.
At least acknowledge the fact that it was dumb men who decided to wage war and needed women to join the workforce as a result, which in turn resulted in financially independent women who refused to do as they're told.
You can't claim men have all the power and then go around and say women managed to wreak havoc on their own. Stupid penis-carriers.
Either a troll or deluded. I'll try to make this understandable for you.
Half of the population deserves freedom as much as the other. If women choose their own lives, that is their prerogative. What you want is a young, naive, submissive creature, uneducated, dependent, not a human, not a soul. You don't want your other half to have freedom like you yourself. Marriage is your other half. If you can't respect this person you are to bond your life to, you don't deserve the right of marriage. I believe that if this can't get through to you you are hopeless. No sane woman without brainwashing would submit to the white shariah law you mgtow types are propagating. It is against the very human spirit to want to be a slave - look how we got here in the first place. Fighting against people like you through years and years of abuse. And it's not going to stop. Say you have that perfect wifey, and she gives you a child, a daughter at that. You would look at your own child as less than human, and that is despicable. I've known some very good men in my life, but it's the ones like you that make me reconsider even being with one at all. And before you ask, I'm a young virgin. I believe in a lot of conservative values, but I also understand education and mutual respect is important in a partner, especially one for life. Shame on you.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said here, however that's just the problem - men don't see women as human. And therefore not as equals. And why would non-humans deserve the same rights as men, as humans? That line of thinking is why they are able to deny that women should have the same rights as them, or have the same capabilities to make decisions or lead their own lives as them. They just don't see women as equal to them. And never will, unfortunately.
All of the [very good] points that you've made here will fall on deaf ears.
You're like a child saying they shouldn't be disciplined for anything, and should be allowed to do whatever they want.
"Women and children" are commonly grouped together for a reason, it's because generally you're both not on the same mental level as adult men.
Feminism is basically the equivalent of letting children do whatever they want. The lack of logic, reasoning, and decision making skills will lead to chaos and all sorts of degeneracy.
It already has, western society is already dead, the family structure is completely destroyed, and it's #1 cause of death is feminism.
>>216382>most women have higher IQs than you
I am more intelligent than literally 100% of women on the planet right now. There is not a single one of them smarter than me.
If you were an intelligent female, you would be anti-feminist. To be that self-aware takes intelligence and reason far beyond what the vast majority of women have.
> To be that self-aware takes intelligence and reason far beyond what the vast majority of women have.
kek, so you're saying you have to be self aware in order to be intelligent? by your own definition you're at the bottom of the totem pole buddy
This. The most worthless male NEETs seem to think they're god's gift to humanity. I really want to know how they get to that point. Society kissing their ass and making them think they're big and powerful just because they're men, I guess? Even then, you have to sit down and be honest with yourself. >>216386
The reason you don't seem to know any intelligent women is because they all know better. You are the worst and most whiny, high maintenance type of male. Don't kid yourself. Women can smell it a mile away.
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind playing the role of a submissive housewife, I cook well, clean well, sew, saving myself for marriage, I'd love to have and raise kids one day and keep the house pretty and have a traditional family life, it's just that nowadays disgusting men are shoving it down our throat that we HAVE to be this way and it's kinda scaring me away, not in fair I am like this to serve men but because I'm afraid I put all this damn effort into learning to do this stuff, put so much effort into my education, my skills, my body, I'm afraid that if I do choose to do this that all my skills are going to be wasted on some misogynist abusive asshole that will dump me to the side for the next stacy once I "hit the wall"
not only that a lot of the ~traditional~ men are whiney manbabies who think the world revolves around them, I have enough self worth to not give myself to someone like that, it kinda depresses me because I'm always paranoid that the one man I do find, he will just end up like some incel tier asshat, I feel like just giving up on men and getting a bunch of cat or finding a hard working businesswoman lesbian to please
An intelligent woman is like an average white man.
Plenty of intelligent women, and I'm more intelligent than all of them, and I mean literally 100%.>>216394
Likewise, every guy who wants a housewife is terrified that she'll just cheat or divorce, then take the kids, the house, and alimony/child-support payments, and go fuck some other guy.
You're pretty well safeguarded in marriage, it's the man who has to worry about having his life ruined.
Plenty of men who would never cheat, like me, there's not much more I hate than adultery.
Man I feel you anon. I don't want to be a housewife, but I am a virgin and I fear that I would accidentally give it up to some misogynistic asshole obsessed with virginity. There is nothing wrong with being a 'submissive housewife', I just think you have to be very very careful with the man you choose. It sounds weird but…my advice would be don't marry someone who is TOO obsessed with the idea of you being submissive or a housewife. At least, that's how I've decided to do things. I don't enter a relationship with a dude who is too obsessed with virginity or a female's 'role' and what makes her worthy, because those are almost always the /pol/ misogynist types. Some men hide their misogyny better than others, but overall I think you will know. They have to reveal it eventually and you can tell especially by the way they talk about other women who aren't you.
Though, I am about to give up on men completely as well and just be a virgin til death. It honestly sounds delightful compared to the way I see men talk about and treat women, for example our friendo >>216380
. I'd rather die than deal with a man like that or give any of my time/my body/my life to them.
Cats are cool and they actually like women so…don't know why cat ladies are so hated tbh. It seems like a chill life.
And yet you are so insecure that you have to post your bullshit into a man-hate thread on a board geared towards women. Not that smart, I'd say.
No one here wants to hop onto your dick, so just fuck off.
Seems you were right.>>216380
Yes, I am the child. For wanting to be educated and speaking for myself. I am emotional and illogical, which is why you shall continue to postulate on 'degeneracy' and how it destroys america, so angry and hateful. Are anger and hate logical? Are they emotions? What about pride? These are very common in men. What are wars? What is violence? Why do men commit over 80 percent of all violent crime? Is it their logic? Please, explain to all the dumb females here why you are above children. By the way, if you've ever watched pornography, your hands are also dirty in all of this. If you've ever acted in lust without marriage, you are dirty. But men could never commit such degeneracy, for that would be illogical!
>>216396>An intelligent woman is like an average white man.
lol wtf is that supposed to mean? most women still have higher IQs than "an average white man"
>Plenty of intelligent women, and I'm more intelligent than all of them, and I mean literally 100%.
again, proof, where is it?
>Likewise, every guy who wants a housewife is terrified that she'll just cheat or divorce, then take the kids, the house, and alimony/child-support payments, and go fuck some other guy.
that's the point, shitbag, I don't plan to cheat, I don't want to cheat, I don't even feel the need to cheat since I have a super low sex drive, and yet I still don't want to give myself to some shitbag who follows some "ALL WOMEN ARE GOING TO CHEAT,DIVORCE, TAKE EVERYTHING AND TAKE ALL MY MONEY AND FUCK CHAD!!!" philosophy incels have made in their head as excuses why they're single or because they're bored and mentally ill, this is why women who are actually worthwhile avoid you, do you have any idea the likelihood that this will happen to you? srs, you'd get attacked by a cow before you get "CHEATED ON THEN DIVORCED THEN HAVE HER TAKE ALL THE MONEY, KIDS AND CHILD SUPPORT!!!!"
>you're pretty well safeguarded in marriage, it's the man who has to worry about having his life ruined.
and yet men have higher cheating and MUCH higher abuse rates than women.. I wonder….
>Plenty of men who would never cheat, like me, there's not much more I hate than adultery.
yeah maybe because no woman wants a guy who sprouts shit like that, and were't you talking about earlier about getting cheap thai prostitutes? kek
It cracks me up because I'm pretty sure this is all the same dude, the guy who posted what you're responding to as well as >>216347
, which states
>So the large majority of men who want children are left with nothing, because they can't compete, this obviously can frustrate them to the point of suicide or murder,
Because murder is a completely rational solution to not getting what you want. Men are so rational and not at all emotional and violent.
I think I finally understand.
I don't believe all men are as evil and misguided as the one posting here.
It is their lack of not just normal intelligence, but emotional intelligence. The fact that they are not conscious to how deluded they sound. I think that this person in particular is a troll, considering the 'iq' thing I just read, but their sentiments are definitely not unique. It's a lack of rationality that brings this vitriol. It's incredibly hypocritical, and the reason they feel this emotion so strongly, 'anger', is because they won't have kids. They might believe this whole wall thing for women, and that when they reach their 40s they will be safe. But it's going to hit them hard. I would feel bad for them if they weren't so pathetic and spiteful. When they were boys, they liked to play with girls, have fun, etc. Their envy grew throughout the years and now they're experiencing virgin rage. Maybe they managed to get some girls while in highschool. No doubt that's eating away at them as well. Anger blinds logic, which is what has happened to these men, making them a walking hypocrisy in their silly little 'mgtow' or 'incel' movements. I hope the world gets past this point. I don't know when, but this barbarism needs to stop.
It's pretty smart, there's no fun in preaching to the choir.>>216398
You probably haven't thought of this, but being old with no kids probably means any family that cares about you is dead, you'll be all alone, and dying.>>216401>Why do men commit over 80 percent of all violent crime? Is it their logic?
Women are coddled by society and get everything they need for free. The large majority of the homeless are men, and the large majority of crime is committed by men, because no one gives men anything for free, capitalist society is extremely unforgiving if you're a man.
>By the way, if you've ever watched pornography, your hands are also dirty in all of this.
Explain why. Also I primarily jack off to 2D drawings.>>216402>do you have any idea the likelihood that this will happen to you?
Actually I do, over 50% of marriages end in divorce in America, and the vast majority of the time the woman wins in the divorce.
> were't you talking about earlier about getting cheap thai prostitutes?
Yes, it's sad that things have to come to this, but many men in the western world can't compete with other men for suitable women, and instead of competing for the leftovers (single mothers, feminists, etc.), they just give up and go to Thailand, which is basically like you're a king if you're a white guy with any money.>>216405
I'm not saying murder or suicide is the rational decision to make from this, like Elliot Rodgers, but I completely understand it.
Being incel hurts on an existential level that you will never be able to understand. It can easily cause suicide or create murderers/rapists. Not having a single female ever want you, while you have to watch other guys get access to females, and watching female behavior in general, can cause extreme sexual frustration, depression, rage, hatred, misanthropy.
If feminists didn't want these guys to exist, all they needed to do was fuck them.
Why do you keep coming back to lolcow?
I swear to god it's the same fucking autist that keeps coming back here to derail every conversation that triggers
him into fits of hysterics against at women.
>>216418>Women are a resource to be accessed.
Women made it that way, they put a price on sexual access.
Many men can't afford that price, these are the MGTOW, incels, misogynists, etc. that you complain about so much.
If you didn't want them to exist, all you had to do was fuck them. If females were distributed to males in a 1:1 ratio, there would be no problem.>>216420
A man can think he's superior to you and love you at the same time.
Every single man I've ever met has thought the way this dumbass positing thinks right now, some in more vitriolic words and some less covert. My father, all of my male "friends", the one man I've dated - they all think women are inferior and barely human, made only to serve them. The only time they don't hate a woman or think she is worthless is when she is fucking them. I believe this is just a male nature, and women get the shit end of the stick. Men think women 'have their uses' which include sex and making/raising babies. And that's it. You can't expect a man to actually care about you, or love you, or see you as anything but a maid/sex slave combo. My father once said the ideal woman is one who is hot and can't speak english - can't communicate. That is what men think of women. The man who raped me saw me as an object to use and abuse and I guarantee you he has NEVER thought twice about that moment. He didn't abuse a human being - he didn't traumatize another soul because he men don't see women as human. They just don't. And there's nothing we can do to make them see us differently.
And not one man I've ever seen has refuted this. I've not met one man who sees women as his equals, who cares what they have to say, or wants to hear about their ideas, their art, anything. They make a show of pretending to care, in order to get the one thing they want: sex. I think deep down all women know how men truly think of them, but some of us try to compartmentalize it so that we can continue to have healthy friendships and relationships with them and pretend that they see us as equals.
Unfortunately, or fortunately as I look at it, I no longer can pretend. Men hate women, it just is what it is. We can complain and be sad about it all day but it won't change. You just have to accept it and move on. Either avoid men at all costs, like I do, or take the less extreme route and just pretend that it isn't the way it is in order to have a marriage, or children, or a friendship with a man.
I'm a lesbian and I have to admit seeing some of the shit posted in this thread makes me pretty relieved. I feel really sorry for straight girls that have to deal with the possibility that any guy they meet could despise women. Still, I don't think political lesbianism is the answer. Maybe I'm delusional but I still believe there are some decent guys left in the world.
Also pls stop replying to the baiting incel everyone.
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>>216424>A man can think he's superior to you and love you at the same time.
holy fuck mang what is that logic
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>>216380>complains about women not being logical>follows up with MUH MORALS
And before you flip a bitch, by 'men don't feel love', I mean that men don't feel love for women. Because they don't.
Obviously men love their children, friends, family members, exc.
>>216413>Women are coddled by society and get everything they need for free
where's the proof buddy?
>The large majority of the homeless are men
As a woman who was homeless before, I can tell you, from experience NO ONE will give you anything for free, I got into a shelter after contacting police because I was trying to escape an abusive situation, where's my "female privilege that gets me everything for free" did I get that privilege by going days without meals and eating fucking costco samples for breakfast lunch and dinner? right
> and the large majority of crime is committed by men, because no one gives men anything for free
well besides condoms, medicine, and the fact men at the shelter got food stamps, health care, and jobs much easier than I did, guess that means they should all commit crime then!! despite most of the crime they commit being murder and molestation, but it's only because they don't get free shit and men are oppressed
>Explain why. Also I primarily jack off to 2D drawings.
Oh, we know. This is why women worthwhile don't want you
>Actually I do, over 50% of marriages end in divorce in America, and the vast majority of the time the woman wins in the divorce.
where did I say divorce doesn't happen? and where are your statistics and source that "WOMEN GET EVERYTHING!!!!!" in a divorce?
>Yes, it's sad that things have to come to this>avoid women because of incel myths instead of actually getting out and learning>by a cheap thai hoe and get STDs because no one wants you>call it sad "we came to this"
>but many men in the western world can't compete with other men for suitable women
are you talking about the mentally ill POSs like you? then damn right you aren't suitable for ANY woman, unless she's as crazy and holds the same delusions against men and hates men as much as you hate women.
> instead of competing for the leftovers
LMFAO you do realize how many of the "pure virgin girls" you idolize hold feminist beliefs? do you realize how many thai hookers hold feminist beliefs? Do you have any idea how many woman that you would probably consider ideal have feminist beliefs? If some greasy fuck would rather fuck an std infested thai hoe than have a meaningful relationship due to their own delusion then be my guest, go be thai womens problem, not ours
>If feminists didn't want these guys to exist, all they needed to do was fuck them
wait… one second we should all be virgins next minute we need to fuck mentally ill shooters on demand so they don't kill people? Do you hear yourself?
so MGTOW, incels, and misogynists are just men that are throwing a fit because women won't fuck them and give them exactly what they want when they want it? kind of like….children, would you say?
and yet women are the childish ones eh….
>>216437>As a woman who was homeless before…
Well, anon, women tend to go for prostitution instead of complete homelessness. And I'm so glad benevolent men love us enough to give us money to survive in exchange for something as small and unimportant as access to our bodies. I am so very, very thankful that men will give me money for free (because fucking my holes is their god-given right so the fact that they even give me money is already a sign of how much they love and want to protect me).
Men are angelic beings, I have no idea what feminists are complaining about.
>>216441>because fucking my holes is their god-given right
Men are a non-stop comedy show. Funny to watch something so pathetic and full of itself run around screaming incessantly how superior it is to all beings around it.
If you were so intelligent and superior, you would just be. Wouldn't have to constantly bitch and moan about it.
>>216441>Well, anon, women tend to go for prostitution instead of complete homelessness.
I actually never went into prostitution though, I'm still a virgin, I try to avoid men
I get what you mean though, it's even more ridiculous when these same men talk about how much they value virginity and humble women
>>216437>despite most of the crime they commit being murder and molestation
This is a very small portion of crime committed.
Also rape happens because men can't afford sex, so they have to steal it. If they had money, women would just have sex with them voluntarily.
>wait… one second we should all be virgins next minute we need to fuck mentally ill shooters on demand so they don't kill people? Do you hear yourself?
Ideally I want to live in a society where everyone gets married in their young teenage years, and adultery is harshly punished by law.
I don't live in that society though, I live in a society where 80% of women go around fucking the top 20% of guys. If they're going to do that, then yes they should fuck the bottom 80% of guys, because otherwise they're going to turn into exactly what you complain about so much, or murderers, rapists, or suicide statistics.
Their numbers may grow so much that it begins to have serious real-life effects on society.>>216438>>216439
If every guy was able to have sex, there would be zero vocal movement against women from men, no MGTOW, no incel, etc.
You can't stop them from thinking """misogynistic""" thoughts, but none of them would care enough or be bothered to voice them.>>216441
You could've just got a boyfriend/husband instead of selling yourself to multiple customers.
Every single female had the chance to become a housewife, I will admit though, if you're already STD-ridden, single mother, past 30, drug addicted and severely crazy, maybe you threw away your chance.>>216447
Why do you hate this idea so much? If I was a woman I would very gladly be a housewife.
I will never try to be transgender, but if I was given the choice of gender at birth, I would have chosen female, because that would be like living life on super easy mode. (Although, I would be given a stupid female brain, and probably not be able to realize this)
>>216451>This is a very small portion of crime committed.
yeah, no, it's most of the crime committed by men try again
>Also rape happens because men can't afford sex, so they have to steal it.
erm… what? wasn't it you that said women should be virgins? should we be virgins or should we let a bunch of greasy weirdos fuck us on demand or else we get raped? make up your mind
also most rapes are committed by rich men, so try the fuck again honey, it's not about "being able to afford it"
>>216451>You could've just got a boyfriend/husband instead of selling yourself to multiple customers.>sell your body to one man rather than many
Ah yes, that's a lot better.
Where the fuck are the mods
>>216451>Ideally I want to live in a society where everyone gets married in their young teenage years, and adultery is harshly punished by law.
then get a time machine and go back to victorian times, oh wait back in victorian times you had to buy women and you hate the idea of having to have money to get sex because that makes men kill people apparently
>I live in a society where 80% of women go around fucking the top 20% of guys.
yeah, in fantasyland, most girls standards are very low, if this was true ugly pieces of shit wouldn't get laid, hell the amazing fucking atheist even gets his dick sucked a lot
> If they're going to do that, then yes they should fuck the bottom 80% of guys
they are. you're just in the bottom 5% that women run away from because you're mentally ill and a troll, hell even june fucks skeptic and he's a misogynist shit bag,I wonder how low you have to be to not get fucked by women
> because otherwise they're going to turn into exactly what you complain about so much, or murderers, rapists, or suicide statistics.
because they run on incel myths and don't have sex and then go insane because of it we should sleep with randos so they don't rape and murder? you do realize most murders are men killing other men right? nothing to do with "NOT GIVING ME MY SEX!!!! I'LL KILL YOU!!!!"
did your mommy spoil you growing up?
>>216451>If every guy was able to have sex, there would be zero vocal movement against women from men, no MGTOW, no incel, etc.
what unless you get your dick cut off you can have sex, even low lifes have sex, trailer park guys have sex, these men are mentally ill and run on delusion and expect women to flock to them and go crazy when they don't
>Every single female had the chance to become a housewife, I will admit though, if you're already STD-ridden, single mother, past 30, drug addicted and severely crazy, maybe you threw away your chance.
>become a housewife>don't be a whore>have sex with men on demand or there will be rape
what do you want?
>Why do you hate this idea so much? If I was a woman I would very gladly be a housewife.
she doesn't she hates the idea of working hard for a crazy contradicting abusive shitbag
>I would have chosen female, because that would be like living life on super easy mode. (Although, I would be given a stupid female brain, and probably not be able to realize this)
proven wrong, proven wrong, NEXT
>>216453>yeah, no, it's most of the crime committed by men try again
Murder and molestation is extremely rare compared to theft, drug violations, probation/court violations, DUIs and traffic violations, etc.
You're pretty retarded to be arguing this. Murder makes up like 1% of all crime committed.
>also most rapes are committed by rich men,
Absolutely not. If you watch TV I could see how you think this.>>216456>>216457>they are. you're just in the bottom 5% that women run away from because you're mentally ill and a troll, hell even june fucks skeptic and he's a misogynist shit bag,I wonder how low you have to be to not get fucked by women>even low lifes have sex, trailer park guys have sex
You should have brought up how Chris-chan got laid.
Yes, sometimes anomalies happen, what your bringing up always pisses off incels.
Inceldom is almost like a supernatural curse, where no matter what you do, women won't fuck you. It's so frustrating and mentally painful that yes, it can lead to going full ER.
>you do realize most murders are men killing other men right? nothing to do with "NOT GIVING ME MY SEX!!!! I'LL KILL YOU!!!!"
Yes, the large majority of murders are men killing other men over business matters.
Business that these men are in to get money, and the #1 reason they're even trying to get money and power in the first place is because girls won't have sex with them if they don't.>>216459
Let me rephrase.
"Consistent sex without any serious risks (like divorce)".
actually a lot of mgtow types men now are the ones who see a tiny percentage of men who experienced these things and now are convinced it's every single woman outside of mail order brides
Men are insane, when women get abused, cheated on, (women get cheated on more often), broken up with, impregnated then thrown away had their money stolen by men, most of them don't form movements to call all men gross disgusting cheaters gold diggers and demand them all be breadwinning husbands but also fuck us on demand
>>216463>Murder and molestation is extremely rare compared to theft, drug violations, probation/court violations, DUIs and traffic violations, etc.>You're pretty retarded to be arguing this. Murder makes up like 1% of all crime committed.
where's proof? and where's proof for every other claim you made as well?
>Absolutely not. If you watch TV I could see how you think this.
Honey, fuck tv, are you forgetting hollywood is pretty much the rape capital? where all the rich men live? are you forgetting all the rich celebs who have had their assault or rape accusations come out recently? are you forgetting the fact a lot of women are assaulted by men who are in charge of them a lot of the times rich men? you're blind
>You should have brought up how Chris-chan got laid.
Yes, sometimes anomalies happen, what your bringing up always pisses off incels.
poor families have more kids for a reason, I don't need to explain to you how birds and bees work by why would poor people have more kids if women only fuck rich dudes? hm?
>Business that these men are in to get money, and the #1 reason they're even trying to get money and power in the first place is because girls won't have sex with them if they don't.
lol what did you look into every male on male murder now and you have to make everything womens fault? I can't imagine being as pathetic as you, but thanks for being a perfect example of the type of men this thread is about and only proving our point about men.
you are a big baby, mommy spoilt you as a child, and now you're throwing a snot fit because women wont fuck you on demand and now have to lie and make up shit
Men seem to think that their emotions are biological needs and therefore can't be questioned or controlled, whereas women's emotions are real emotions and should
Are you a man who wants to stick your dick in Stacy? That's natural and you can't help it. She should let you, lest the psychological trauma of not getting what you want leads you to murder someone (totally Stacy's fault btw).
Are you a woman who wants to live your own life instead of being some dude's pet? That's a retarded emotion, stop feeling things.
Oh but that's only when it's convenient to men. If they're in love and the girl doesn't reciprocate, she has no feelings whatsoever and is in fact a cold, calculating bitch.
>>216464>had their money stolen by men
Almost never happens. Over 90% of the time the women wins the divorce, gets custody+money.>>216465
Logically I can't blame them for it though. Makes sense, they've been wronged by this society, and are rightfully angry at it.
God killed everyone in Sodom & Gomorrah for less, he must be disgusted by what modern western society has become, primarily because we allowed women to do whatever they want.
God hates thots and burnt down Sodom & Gomorrah for it, almost every man is instilled with the same feelings that God had, nothing illogical about it.>>216467> are you forgetting hollywood is pretty much the rape capital? where all the rich men live? are you forgetting all the rich celebs who have had their assault or rape accusations come out recently? are you forgetting the fact a lot of women are assaulted by men who are in charge of them a lot of the times rich men?
That was exactly my point, if you watch TV, or follow mainstream media, I could see how you think what you think.
Your mind is easily shaped by TV and mainstream media. You think the majority of rape is committed by rich men, because of the recent string of highly-publicized sex scandals featuring high-profile men.
A lot of the bible contains historically accurate facts that not even Atheist historians deny. For example Babylon was a real city, Jerusalem was a real city (obviously), King Solomon was a real king, Pontius Pilate was a real Roman prefect of Judea, etc.
Sodom & Gomorrah was a real city, and it's ruins still exist today, along with the brimstone that was rained down onto it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2xv3XwOVaQ>>216482
It's the only thing stopping me from going full ER on you cunts too.
>>216471>Almost never happens. Over 90% of the time the women wins the divorce, gets custody+money.
So much talking, so little explaining and proof, what's even more ironic is I knew several women that had their money stolen by men, more women I knew had their money stole by men than I've seen men get their money taken or golddug. Just look in the thread, several people talk about how some men will freeload then have the audacity to call women gold diggers for asking to help pay bills for the place they live.
>they've been wronged by this society, and are rightfully angry at it.
awe poor bawby didnt get what you want, you must be so oppressed
also >using scripture made by prude nutcases to justify men killing and raping women when they can't get their dick wet and assuming it's a wideheld belief>kek
>That was exactly my point, if you watch TV, or follow mainstream media, I could see how you think what you think.
Your mind is easily shaped by TV and mainstream media. You think the majority of rape is committed by rich men, because of the recent string of highly-publicized sex scandals featuring high-profile men.
they don't appear out of thin air, if your logic was true none of these rapes would have happened and yet they do, millions of guys in high position have raped or molested, where's their "STACIES WHO WILL HAVE SEX WITH THEM BECAUSE MONEY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO RAPE"
and plenty of poor men haven't raped, it's almost as if mental stability has nothing to do with money, you sound like you were spoiled as a child so you wouldn't know
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>>216483>the only thing stopping me from going full ER on you cunts too.
woah, someone's triggered
go back to your r/incels hatebox
>>216483>muh iq is over 9k>misinterprets what the anon said
no one is saying these cities and people didn't exist, dumbass, they're saying all the magical fairy tails of jesus killing everyone because he hates thots is ridiculous and most likely didn't happen (not the killing but the whole "god hates thots" reasoning)
if the only thing stopping you from killing everyone because of a delusion is a book of fairytails then you need to go to a mental institution
Not a chance. God made all kinds of bad stuff, and allows it to happen.
If I got cancer or some horrible disease I wouldn't curse God, there's literally nothing that could happen to me that would make me not believe in God. Only stupid children ask dumb shit like "If God exists why does bad stuff happen?">>216487
There's multiple accounts of God killing everyone in the old testament, reasons including what people today might call "thots".
Too much degeneracy in general, and it probably wasn't even as bad as it is today in countries like America.>>216488
I'm not emotional about it. Not gonna lie though, trying to figure out how to get sex and children from women is THE biggest problem I have in life. Their behavior disgusts me.
>>216483>It's the only thing stopping me from going full ER on you cunts too.
Can somebody call his mom home from work so she can take away his internet access and put the little manbaby to bed?
Maybe she'll let you suck on her teet before she slowly rocks you to sleep if you're lucky, you seem a little too cranky there bud.
again, mr.9kIQ, no one is saying these things didn't happen, they're saying slapping the label "BECAUSE OF THOTS!!!" is dumb and mentally ill because there's no proof it was "for thots" it's just accusations, just like how if the weather is shit over where you live or some natural disaster happens, me and a bunch of other people and gang up and just claim it's because you're a mentally ill dumbass who runs on delusions
>Too much degeneracy in general, and it probably wasn't even as bad as it is today in countries like America.
then where's our flood? oh? it's almost as if natural disasters just happen whether things go your way or not?
>I'm not emotional about it. Not gonna lie though, trying to figure out how to get sex and children from women is THE biggest problem I have in life. Their behavior disgusts me.
> trying to figure out how to get sex and children from women is THE biggest problem I have in life. Their behavior disgusts me.
Oh really? I wonder why, couldn't have anything to do with you being mentally ill faggot who hates women out of delusion and can't even make up their damn mind all while being the worlds biggest hypocrite
I’m gonna take a stab here and guess that you will never get anything from women. And thank your beloved god that.
It’s for the best. I mean, there’s always a chance your children would be female. And then they would be fucked.
>>216493>then where's our flood? oh? it's almost as if natural disasters just happen whether things go your way or not?
God obviously just wanted to see how bad things could get>>216495
I will get everything I want from a woman once I have enough money. That's all they care about.>>216491>Maybe she'll let you suck on her teet before she slowly rocks you to sleep if you're lucky, you seem a little too cranky there bud.
Is this some Freudian slip? Let me suck on them tits mommy.
>>216497>God obviously just wanted to see how bad things could get
awe the spoilt baby had to make more shit up to fit your delusions, still couldn't answer anything else though hmm
>I will get everything I want from a woman once I have enough money. That's all they care about.
yeah then you're going to hit the wall and be pissed when you can't get women and use the money to get an AK when you realize that women don't hate because you're poor we hate you because you're a mentally ill dumbass who has delusions like so
God can do whatever he wants, his anger is pretty understandable.>>216499>awe the spoilt baby had to make more shit up to fit your delusions, still couldn't answer anything else though hmm
He just simply decided to stop interfering.
>we hate you because you're a mentally ill dumbass
Women would love me if I had money.
As I said, making up shit again
>Women would love me if I had money.
Yeah maybe some sugar babies who are willing to put up with your shit to go through college, but you'll never find real or meaningful love, especially after the shit you spew and the fact you run on things that are easily proven wrong as well as flat out hating women, and not knowing what you want so you take it out on the female gender and blame women for everything, not that you deserve it anyway
All of them* >>216508
He doesn’t want real or meaningful love with a woman, he just wants sex. He couldn’t have it even if he wanted it, since he despises women so much. He would only be able to achieve real or meaningful love with another man.
And honestly, I wouldn’t wish five seconds with this limp dick on another woman. Sugar babies still have standards and they would probably exclude him, thankfully.
I'm seriously so disgusted by men. #MeToo completely showed how entitled, weak and fragile they actually are. Like little babies.
>Ahem, _I_ Was ONCE molested by a WOMAN! She grabbed my ass on the dance floor!
>… And I didn't make a huge scene about it because I didn't care, haha!
Completely ignoring the fact that women face this ALL THE TIME, outside of the dance floor, on the street, at work, at school, everywhere. And men are always physically stronger and bigger than women so you know you can't defend yourself. Men can always overpower a woman. I'm so sick of always having to add "(and men)" after I'm talking about the sexual harassment WOMEN face because of dumbasses like this making the issue about themselves.
>What, so now you can't even _TALK_ to women without being seen as a pervert?
God, any sane person can tell the difference between sexual harassment and normal discussion. You don't have to pretend to be fucking retarded. She didn't ask your opinion on her tits, looks or private matters? Well don't give it to her then. If you're not close friends, stop telling her how beautiful she is. It's fucking creepy and not flattering at all. It gives off a vibe that you're poon hunting and demeaning her other more substantial qualities. Especially in a professional environment this is fucking gross and it's the reason I stopped dressing myself up for work.
>_I_ Would LOVE to hear women tell me I'm handsome! Nothing just ever pleases you roasties!
See point 1
>It's just encoded to biology! We men can't help ourselves!
And that's why you're the inferior gender. Completely being controlled by your hormones and literally zero power over your feelings.
Serious problems women face in their relationships:
>My husband/boyfriend abuses me physically and aggressively pressures me for sex, every time he hits me it's harder than the last time and I'm afraid he's going to kill me if I try to leave
Serious problems men face in their relationships:
>I don't get sex!!!!
"Male feminists" are the worst of the bunch. They're covering up their own sexism by being loud, obnoxious pseudoactivists who really don't give a shit about women. At least the robots are openly misogynistic and despicable, but the liberal male feminists always have a record spotted with cases of sexual harassment and sexist comments.
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still browsing the thread, but i just thought of something. can we talk about guys expecting women to do all the emotional work to make the relationship function in hetero relationships?
case in point, my current dude. he's kind of the quiet type but sometimes he just straight up ignores me and puts no effort into conversing with me. anything i send him or say to him just gets a one word response. when i bring up how this bothers me, he says he doesn't know what to do, that he's just like that, and that we talk all the time. last week, i was really busy with finals and i didn't talk to him very much. he made no effort to speak to me and i was too busy to care. and this guy has the absolute nerve. to be like, "hey we haven't been talking as much". like… ? you have the audacity talk to me and say we haven't been talking as much while making no effort to speak with me. i don't understand.
I'm pretty sure someone will try calling me out, but neither my dad nor my husband hate women. These men are out there, and they're not the "nice guys" who whine about women not paying attention to them. Find someone who is secure in himself without having to put others down. Because we all know what that insecurity stems from: entitlement, imagined privilege and genuinely being the weaker sex, as >>216514
stated. They hate us so much because they give us so much power over them. If they weren't intimidated they wouldn't need to try holding us back artificially.
My boyfriend does this too, and at worst times, if you look in the vent thread several women talk about how their boyfriends randomly ghost them
It just makes no sense to me how entitled someone can be, do they even want to be with us? If I ever even did this to someone I'd be scared of losing them, I can understand not wanting to get into in dept conversations every single day at all times but it seems like we have to put in effort for EVERYTHING. Do we not deserve to feel loved?
God, I wish we can just dump men who want to be a little prick and ghost us at bad times, but unlike men, we actually value relationships and are loyal, and aren't willing to dump a man over any small flaw
you get it completely. i don't understand. it hurts me so much especially when i talk about something that's bothering me or hurting me, and he just responds with a :( or sends me a cat picture. how could i ever get the impression that he cares about me? i think he used to care, but as soon as i started dating him for real, he just stopped giving a shit. he doesn't watch things with me anymore, or play videogames with me anymore. and when i spend hella money to go visit him (he lives in another country) he sits on his computer and plays videogames or looks at 4chan and ignores me. he just doesn't give a heck.
sorry for ventposting but apparently this is just a thing that happens??? is this normal?
My ex would do the same, and if I didn't talk to him for a day he demanded an apology.
This is slightly different but something I've noticed men do, they can go completely insane with anger to the point of scaring you and it's seen as normal, my ex would do that a lot but if I even showed a bit of emotion I was "crazy" and "unstable" after that relationship I am avoiding men for a long, long time.
It wouldn't be half that if men didn't come here trying to defend themselves. I think a lot of anons were "well, I don't hate ALL men…" but the dumb shits decided it would be a good idea to further emphasize our us vs them mentality by coming here and proving the AMALT anons right.
Men are so stupid it hurts
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Yikes, the autistic boyfriend story rings true so profoundly for my autistic ex.
The cringe/horror stories I could share about him…
Let's just say I wouldn't hesitste putting a restraining order or call the police on him if he dares comes to my house ever again.
Be wary of guys who run meme Facebook pages like my ex. They'll feel like and become ego-inflated pieces of shit who will most likely cheat on you with starry-eyed fangirls who gave him some adrenaline dose of narcissistic importance.
The saddest part is that he pretty much dumped me over three times too and when you're in a complete stolkholm syndrome type of scenario, you find it really hard to forgive abusive, pieces of shit men. " B-but he's a good person!!! Look at how good he is with his friends!! uwu youre a terrible slutty bitch who cheated on him! "
Guess who shared revenge porn of me and to my loved ones? Some guy who when I was single, sent him nudes because I was some idiot who trusted in mens honest intentions. He was livid when he found out I was dating my ex again and mass-sent revenge porn/nudes to my ex and to everybody in our local weeb community. It was a really messy situation where I had to go off the radar for a few months.
Also my ex blamed his "autism" for his anger issues and treating me like shit. He constantly verbally abused me, gaslit me, belittled me, compared me to other women and pretty much the shit AS is doing to June.
I was pretty much an insecure, extremely mentally ill mess and have to go to therapy now because of the terrible five year shitshow of how much I tolerated my ex and tried my best to stay with him. The moment he found out the other guy had nudes of me, he called me a cheating vile whore despite me being single at that time…? He easily believed in that other guy who sent the nudes and literally spread lies about how I was fucking and sucking a bunch of guys. He even left a bruise on my arm which he claimed it was an "accident". He lies about having autism to get welfare.
It was for the best that incident broke me free from the relationship seeing how toxic it was, but I'm so fucking paranoid and damaged now. I'm dating someone lovely now and pray to god I chose someone who isn't abusive or will show his true colors later on. I'm scared. I'm looking at so many articles on the red flags but I can't trust myself. Mind you I spent like a good six months recovering from that incident. I know it's partially my own responsibility for choosing shit men, but it doesn't help that I grew up in a traditional family that made me super sheltered and have no "street smarts" or a better lie detector. I'm trying my best to not be some doormat. I do get genuinely scared at times though, because I just can't seem to learn from my mistakes. :(
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Thank you anon! Yeah, hopefully our therapy goes well and we grow and recover from the shit we and many women go through when they recover from abusive relationships with men.
Honestly, this is the only time where I may even add that the normie "chad" types that the r9k incels talk crap about are actually the ones who are more emotionally invested and respect you more.
The guy I'm dating now is a weeb, but he's like a huge and soft teddybear who is so sweet and considerate to me. He is the complete opposite of what my ex is, except his taste in games and hobbies is so much better. And not only that, but he also sees me as a human being and not as a living cocksleeve!
Don't lose hope girls, admidst the shitty amount of MRA r9k incels you'll find a sweet guy, just avoid most 4chan guys. I met him through college, I'm not one to give advice on where to find men who genuinely respect women though. It's hard lol.
He's just going around shitposting all across the site. Mods will ban him soon, but in the meantime I wish people wouldn't reply to the most obvious bait.
The amount of /r9k/fags showing up lately has been irritating but guys can't stand the thought of any space existing without them so it's not really surprising.
How to avoid incel tier men
>make more money than them (which isn't hard since even your shitty hotel receptionist job is already making more money since a lot are unemployed) and the fact now mgtows are saying women with jobs are gold diggers and always looking to fuck their boss kek
>invest in the future, show them you want to be something bigger, start a business, get educated, if they see this they'll think you're a gold digger and feel like their precious dick isn't good enough for a woman who actually has their shit together because they only want to fuck insecure self conscious neets to expose their nudes with
>actually put effort into your looks. Make your hair pretty, wear makeup, work out, eat healthy, shower, wear perfume, dress nice, etc. This will make them think you're a high maintenance gold digger and they'll avoid you
>have self worth, if its one thing incels hate its to see women who have self worth, then there won't be a chance to manipulate them into an abusive relationship
>learn skills such as music, cooking, handiness, sewing, writing. Since incels are skilless lazy neets, they will feel inferior to a woman that actually knows more than them
>enjoy sex/masturbate, incels believe the second a woman sticks her finger in her own pussy she's a loose roastie whore and unworthy of them and they don't want to be sloppy seconds
>don't allow them to cheat and do drugs or be a misogynist, they hate being controlled, if you tell them you think its gross to go on 4chin and tell Stacy if her tits are good enough or not or see them making posts about how all women are going to steal their sperm and take their money, their true colors are sure to show, you might get labeled as a roastie whos unstable, but you'll see the incel for who he is and leave him
>get an apartment or house of your own, furnish it, make it nice and clean, look at interior designing guides, find an aesthetic and follow it,while some incels refuse to date any woman who doesn't live with her parents,the ones who are willing to date will often look to freeload and call you a gold digger when you ask to help pay for the place they live. If they don't already leave you out of jealousy your place is nice and not a greasy pizza stained bachelor pad, then his true colors are willing to show,and leave his ass
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Bums me out that in most of the professional fields of the skills you've listed, men dominate and are the top earners, generally. I think the exception might be sewing, but there's probably a 3:2 ratio of exalted male fashion designers to women (strangely, I can't think of any major costume or set people that are dudes, though).
We can't even commodify our stereotypical skill sets and are expected to perform them for free.
>repealing all the good men by actually making something out of yourself and not being a lazy insecure low life
>Women are obviously much less happy now that they're expected to go to college, and then work to be independent in a capitalist societ
Yeah, because making something out of yourself makes you depressed and worthless than being a housewife in an abusive relationship and forced to push out babies
you do realize most rich men want educated smart women? just because you flip burgers and want a slave housewife to impregnate constantly doesn't mean smart rich men want the same exact thing, even MELANIA TRUMP has a degree for fucks sake
>They now waste their young fertile years doing this, and all kinds of immoral things, and their natural instincts know it's wrong
Yeah, no. Just because you jerked your 2 incher to college sluts 3 or jailbait gets fucked by 4 bbcs doesn't mean the entire world is a porno
> and their natural instincts know it's wrong
whats wrong exactly? not doing exactly what you want? right
> they really don't want to be in college
are you forgetting the number of women in places like india and the middle east who fought and work their asses off so they can get an education? not only that but in ancient days as well, education was womens highest value, if women didn't want education then we would all still be knitting and making dinner in abusive relationships, if women didn't want to go to college the revolution on education wouldn't even happen
Oh and if women didn't want to work either your ass wouldn't be typing delusional shit
>they want to be having children with a man who fully provides for them.
funny you mention, when women do want that you same guys run around calling them gold digging whores, tons of women want to have a business and be independent, not everything is your fantasy sweety
>Feminism has caused women to be more depressed and mentally ill than ever before in history.
you wish, before feminist revolutions came in womens mental illnesses were higher than ever, do you think all the 1700s- 1800s style mental institutions made specifically for women and were filled with hundreds of women, before feminism started encouraging women to work and get an education, if feminism was soooo making women depressed and mentally ill more than history? try again honey
Oh no, it must suck that women like playing video games, that they help develop, it must suck we use the internet, that wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for men, it must suck we watch movies we make and get IT jobs
are you forgetting a lot of women help develop and invent these things? We don't make them and help make them exist just to have you whine and claim it's yours, you sound like a spoilt baby
if a group of people makes a plate of food, you don't claim it's all yours and your friends then whine and scream and act as if someone is stealing you and your friends food when one of the people who made it makes a plate for themselves, I always knew you were entitled, but not so entitled to this point
>>216641> but since the latest ghost busters movie I noticed that we are starting to take over men's stuff without reason.
don't like it? DON'T WATCH IT
the movie business isn't "mens stuff"
ghost busters, isn't "mens stuff"
men don't get anything taken away from them and they don't get stopped if women dare put themselves somewhere that men believe they dominate
Also IE stop roleplaying here you incel, or at least put effort into it
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