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No. 1852408
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>>1834664 No. 1852421
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>>1852409
>when you hate female written MCs that look like women and are liked by women but simp male stand-ins written by moids like Druckman and Hirano
Is this feminism?
No. 1852433
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The whole female MC's argument always makes me feel like an alien because I actually like characters that look like this kek (spoilered for very scrotebait design)
No. 1852439
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TIL nonas can't understand that their thoughts and opinions (e.g. beauty standards) are ultimately shaped and influenced by the systems they live under. femininity commodification is also too hard a concept to grasp and accept
No. 1852453
>>1852439what happens when after i examine by preferences for femininity/pretty characters and i still like them? am i sent to feminist reeducation camp?
>>1852444there has to be a happy medium between "bimbo tradthot" and "female character who wears suits, acts like a man, is completely masculine"
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>>1852441>princelyI was in love with her
No. 1852465
>>1852433that drawing is an atractive woman and is drawn by a woman so its obviously
problematic according to Nonna logic.
Only acceptable female MCs look like men and are written by men, get it right.
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>>1852453> i examine my preferences for femininity/pretty characters and i still like themgood for you! i like tons of scrote media (k-on and moeblob cgdct shows and bishojo games, for example) but i don't try to deny that they're scrote shit.
>acts like a man, is completely masculineonce again, men can be feminine and women can be masculine. you seem to be stuck in girl = pink and blue = boy territory, grow out of it
No. 1852492
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>>1852487you literally simp for Abby from TLouII
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>>1852418have you considered that lena dunham and amy schumer were mocked because they suck ass and people hate them in general?
i've never seen anyone complain about the movie spy for instance, where jason statham and melissa mccarthy get together, because melissa mccarthy is cool.
No. 1852504
>>18524991. jason statham is not hot
2. the opening of the movie has her character in love with jude law and that is played for laughs because how could a fat woman be interested in jude law??
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>>1852501>the ideal woman is a manand so it continues
No. 1852528
>>1852517yes
the point is that no one complained about a fat lady and a "conventional hot" guy
No. 1852533
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>>1852515That reminds me of how Re:Zero had a genderbent universe story. Wears the maid outfit instead of the butler fit though, so I guess it might be too scrotey.
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>>1852509it doesn't exist in the same way non-patriarchal femininity doesn't exist. we generally consider things pretty, beautiful, etc. because
>>1852439.
see picrel. if you were born in the heian period you'd see black teeth as being totes feminine and "pretty" + scrambling to cover your face in flour. this is just basic shit nona
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>>1852533i dont think you understand whats male gaze and what isnt. A maid outfit isnt inherently male gazey.
No. 1852545
>>1852529anon. you are genuinely an idiot. so let me explain for you
you said "everyone hated on lena dunham for shipping herself with adam driver"
adam driver is marginally less conventional than jason statham
therefore the comparison was made that no one cared about melissa and him because people like melissa
i hope you understand
i will no longer be here to explain it more slowly for you because i have to leave this thread before i lose more braincells
No. 1852549
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I don't play western garbage why does Abby's design cause so much seethe? The male MC is the most hideous thing in existence but I have never seen anyone chimpout over his design.
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>>1852540I meant specifically the maid outfit from the show, I don't really care for it myself.
No. 1852570
>>1852534Beauty standards aren't necessarily the same even within the same country. Black teeth may be something rich people saw as beautiful because they could afford the substance to put on their teeth, but lower classes may see the black and assume rot.
In modern Japan, crooked canines are considered feminine and youthful. In the US, crooked teeth is associated with poor health and poverty (as in too poor to fix your teeth). In Europe, orthodontics isn't mandatory unless there is a real medical reason for it. So even in our modern era with internet and all, we still have a difference in beauty standards and not everyone agrees with it either, even if they are exposed to it constantly.
No. 1852584
>>1852562Yeah, the rezero maid outfit was a pure marketing gimmick.
Classic maid outfits are much better.
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>post women you find pretty
I think anime is horrible for this since the entire medium is moid gaze so you'll likely have to venture outside of it for good examples. Anyways I find women like Kristen Stewart, Winona Ryder, and that lady from The Shining to all be very pretty.
No. 1852614
>>1852605And? Was Year 24 secretly all lolicon men too? Clamp was full of pickmes back in the day?
I guess it doesn't matter if a man comes in and calls dibs.
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>>1852432>men get to have the handsome, muscular mcsThe handsome, muscular male mc in question
No. 1852635
>>1852610>>1852610I just don't like this attitude of women getting pushed out, only for people to turn and say "it's a moid gaze medium anyway, a lolicon came by and now its only for them."
It's says doormat to me.
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>>1852614>>1852632Let's just say japan in general has some weird sexual issues that it needs to work out, probably the only decent critiques of these issues come from Japanese Marxists. Samezō Kuruma described post-war Japan as basically an overgrown fetus that refuses to leave its mother's womb, a society that is still extremely sexually repressed but also dealing with hyper capitalism, consumerism and sexualization all at once.
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>>1852458Her and King are such good designs. Cute!
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>>1852465Based - anything drawn by women must never be questioned and should be absolved from all kinds of criticism. Only insecure aidens and tifs will feel threatened from pic related.
No. 1852658
>>1852646You couldn't spoil this?
What's up with responding with sexualized children as a comeback?
No. 1852673
>>1852671Name the modern day artists you're calling pickmes.
Not just
>>1852646 either.
No. 1852679
>>1852676She drew loli hentai?
I thought it was just about sfw romcom about cosplay.
No. 1852720
>>1852712>shotanot that i know of, unless you consider high school boys shota
>rapethat's 80% of female written erotica. either way she's pandering to women and not men so i don't care
No. 1852791
>>1852668you're like a brick wall kek
so fucking braindead, read a book
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>>1852788I still think it's in part a problem with villianess/saintess being the main go to for a good deal of female content. They specifically point to the pretty dresses as being necessary.
No. 1852814
>>1852805yes anon, men created women and everything that passes through a woman's head is defined by men. Women must reject being women and act like men
This is somehow very empowering feminist thinking according to your self hating smug ass with one foot into transing to Tif.
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>>1852774The thing is, does female media like josei manga really care about the male gaze and catering to men? I never seen moids give a single fuck about art and comics like picrel, even if the female mc is a beautiful kawaii woman with big boobs.
It's like some artstyles simppy keep moids away.
Also, I took picrel from DLsite garumani and I find that there's more variety in erotic content for women than I remember. Lots of anonymous plain janes and pov femdom stuff among the usual josei stories.
No. 1852819
>>1852808how are you even on this site if you can't accept female socialization being a thing, though? i mean i genuinely do not understand how it's a tough concept to grasp
>>1852815>fighting these hypothetical peoplegirl they're not hypothetical, just see
>>1852668>>1852570>>1852542and check the last thread.
No. 1852824
>>1852816unless the MC is a roided hipermasculine ogre then you and the woman who drew it are just brainwashed into liking it and only like it to please men somehow.
That anon literally goes through life thinking like that.
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>>1852805I find girly girl shit pretty because I find it pretty, cute and pleasant.
I also like androgynous looks and women's in men's clothes.
But by your logic everything we like is due to a social construct and a response to the tiny moid living in our head, so what are we gonna do about it?
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hm.
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idk about the rest of you or this thread but picrel is peak female character design for me
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>>1852839see
>>1852471>>1852832i'm not shocked that they're arguing against me, i'm shocked that's it from the standpoint that they haven't been socialized into certain behaviors and mindsets like most people on earth
>>1852829>conventionally attractivewho decides what's conventionally attractive in a woman, generally?
>I particularly don't see how a female author can avoid this at all you can't. you can try making gnc protags (haruhi) but you can't opt into femininity without also obeying patriarchy. that said, i do like protags like yoko (12 kingdoms) and yona (visually); they're cute but not in a waifu way, and they're not so ""feminine"" that they look like straight up sparkly bimbo caricatures
No. 1852861
>>1852854Who are you even arguing with anymore
>>1852850>SkirtsUh-oh…
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>>1852848 >calling any female character that wasnt princess peach tier feminine an ugly tumblr obese dyke for some reason.>Literally Shilled ABBY as a good female MCthe jokes write themselves
No. 1852878
>>1852866I guess something like
>>1852816, clothing, hairstyles, body types, that would normally be described as feminine without thinking much on it, hence "naturally".
There's no way to like that without it being a product of male socialization?
No. 1852880
>>1852867exactly
most yume designs are meant to be "the girl"
No. 1852883
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>>1852868Barbara Canepa draws a lot of sexy women, literally pickme. MOID GAZE, MOID GAZE CANCELLED
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>>1852873this, plus gnc designs can also be beautiful
No. 1852889
>>1852887i think that anon that said that
>>1852883 is a BPD-chan that can only think in black and white is right
No. 1852891
>>1852883Akshually that's Barbucci who's a man, but that was drawn under Canepa's direction.
In fact, Barbucci originally drew the W.I.T.C.H. when transformed much more coomery, but Canepa and the other female co-creator of W.I.T.C.H. pulled his ear and forced him to listen to their suggestions.
No. 1852892
>>1852878women don't pop out of the womb with long glossy hair and halter top dresses + chokers so none of the shit in the picture is natural
>>1852883i actually don't find anything moid-y about this art or witch kek. this piece in particular isn't remotely sexualized to me
No. 1852909
>>1852897So, men are right.
I guess that's that.
No. 1852910
>>1852903if women arent socialized to like
>>1852816 then why arent male self inserts pretty boys with sexy abs and long hair that are also vampires instead of ugly bastards or generic black haired teens?
No. 1852911
>>1852900everything is socialization even having a vagina. If you weren't socialized as female you would naturally grow a penis and the only reason you don't is because patriarchy. Otherwise men are women are exactly the same which is to say woman are just debased men
^this is what some nonnas actually think
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>>1852910Araragi is a pretty boy with sexy abs and long hair that is also a vampire though
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>>1852918meanwhile the average male self insert that isnt cherrypicked
No. 1852929
>>1852917My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.
>>1852921Is there another censorship scare?
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>>1852926Top left is a pretty boy super abs ultra man that's one month old and can defeat time with the power of being sexy and is also a Demon king.
No. 1852941
>>1852937He just has black hair.
Dye it blonde and gel it up if you want.
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it's been a quarter-decade since i've had bloody roar on my mind and Mitsuko's (and Fox's) design always stuck out to me. More things need more characters like her. Tall but also attractive
No. 1852961
>>1852926Wasn't Izaya huge with yume/fujos back in the day?
Annoyingly so.
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>>1852967The only thing I've found about censorship and Ao3 was some people censoring words like tiktok, which I hope never extends to the tags
No. 1852977
>>1852967awhile back there was a bunch of drama about a new board member election that might've lead to the censorship of some content on ao3, I don't think anything ever actually happened though. look up ao3 tiffany g in google if you want to read more about it. ao3 was also blocked in china and somewhat recently there was some scrote hacker group that caused the website to be down for a few weeks. I don't think there has been any recent censorship issues though aside from what
>>1852972 mentioned
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>>1852746>Fiction doesn't affect realityRecently, a Japanese woman made a twitter post encouraging women to use "yamero" instead of "yamete" when getting sexually harassed as the latter has become too sexualized due to JAV and hentai. But keep telling that to yourself.
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>>1853164It is a mentally ill scrote who is incapable of critical thinking and basic reading comprehension.
(trying to revive infight) No. 1853347
>>1853172Live action porn such as JAV isn't fiction though. The actors are actually fucking on screen even though the scenarios to make that happen are fictional. And it's the other way around. It's not because Japanese men watch shitty, unrealistic porn that they think a woman saying "yamete" while assaulted means she wants more. These porn videos are like this to begin with BECAUSE Japanese men think a woman saying "yamete" during sex or assault means she!s being shy, modest and cute to begin with because of how their culture works. You legit chose the worst example possible. If you used hentai manga or novels as an example it would have been more a case of reality affecting fiction too, real men's disturbing fetishes being put in a fictional story.
The Glee effect or European and South American millennials becoming pro football players because they binged watched Captain Tsubasa when they were kids are way better cases of "fiction affects reality"
No. 1853371
>>1853347>If you used hentai manga or novelsMy post clearly says JAV
and hentai, do you have trouble reading anon?
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>>1853207It feels like I’m constantly hearing about new unhinged retardation Korean scrotes are pulling
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>>1853392Absolutely grim.
Reminds me of another incident that happened with limbus company.
>summer event: not a single girl unit gets a coom swimsuit, raising eyebrows in the male fanbase>meanwhile picrel is wearing a choker and shorts >this leads to an influx of korean schizos melting down because they hate fictional men that aren't male power fantasies>they dig up dirt on the main CG artist "Vellmori">the "dirt" being deleted tweets from 3 years ago expressing disgust at sex trafficking ring nth room>they literally invade the offices of Project Moon (limbus company maker) in Korea and threaten the employees to fix the bad designs>this results in Vellmori who didn't even work on the summer outfits getting fired from her job. No. 1853484
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Has anyone ever met someone kind of hybrid of a proshipper and an anti? I DM'd a tumblr fanfic writer some years back when I was curious about her writing. She appreciated me reaching out to her and would tell me about how stupid she thought antis were, and how proshippers should be left alone to write and comment how they want. She posted an audio clip of a character she really liked and wrote lewd fics about, so I and a couple others joked in the comments about it being schlick material, and she fucking lost it. She came at me in the DMs cry typing and seething about how I'm a "perverted freak" and how she couldn't deal with me anymore all because of that ONE JOKE, even though she was the bitch who wrote self insert noncon fics for that SAME CHARACTER. How is one willing to write explicitly detailed stories about a rapey psychopath having sex with the reader without any consent, but have a mental breakdown over a mundane sexual joke about that character's voice? Self proclaimed proshipper talked all that shit about antis being sooo immature when she had the same old crybaby attitude just like them. Wrote all those filthy fics just to get butthurt over a joke kek what a stupid bitch
No. 1853663
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>>1853484This reads like a high schooler's diary entry, is everyone involved in this anti/proship bullshit just aged 17 or younger? If you were all adults then that's even more embarrassing.
>>1853392Nowadays they also try to recruit global forces from the international communities and then get even more angry and hurt when everyone tells them how retarded and unhinged they sound. Recently they got so fucking angry at one of the Genshin Impact designers having tweeted something in support of women (akin to "I hate men who sexually harass women") that they rented a fucking $10,700 advertising sign to put in front of their Korean headquarters to cry about feminism KEK The company developing the game is larger than life though so they're basically ignoring the entire thing and that's pissing them off even more since they're not getting any results through their temper tantrum.
No. 1853667
>>1853663The artist in question here is yomi_ur on twitter who's work I've loved for probably a decade at this point. She's not very active but that makes sense considering her professional work isn't something she can upload.
There's a post on reddit of some korean dude decrying her evil feminist ways and getting dunked in the comments because the tweets were basically on the level of 'I hate men who harass women'.
>>1853665I agree but the korean moids are on a different level. If you pay attention, anything regarding feminism in Korea will get instantly swamped by english speaking korean moids talking about how feminism in Korea is actually extreme and evil and that's why men are the true
victims here.
No. 1853673
>>1853665When you live a life of privilege and entitlement, fair treatment and equality feels like oppression. We as women are incapable of understanding their mindset because we're born into a lower societal class innately. Men are born into privilege and walk through life with all the options open to them and everyone and everything catering to their needs, from medical treatment to standard chair height. So when someone threatens their status quo to get a crumb of that goodness they flip the fuck out because they have no experience in accommodating others like women do.
>>1853667>If you pay attention, anything regarding feminism in Korea will get instantly swamped by english speaking korean moids talking about how feminism in Korea is actually extreme and evil and that's why men are the true victims here.To be fair every asiancel does this shit, Chinese incels and Indian/Pakistani/etc men do it too. I'm sure Japanese ones would too if they could speak even a lick of English. But I have to admit that Korean incels are extra pathetic because they don't even have the excuse of living in a third world country, they're just spoiled beyond repair.
That said, American incels literally commit mass murder to the point they're considered a genuine domestic terrorism threat so I think they still hold the torch of male derangement.
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>>1853665men are the most worthless creatures and they have to let everyone know about it, regardless of the space they're in. picrel, a failed abortion crying about a male ya protagonist being sensitive and kind to others and the female protagonist being confident and determined.
No. 1853681
>>1853677>The second is flawed because it is ignoring basic scienceIt's telling how they can suspend disbelief in fiction with literally anything else but women being strong and competent.
>Degrading men while trying to make the female character look better is apparently the new normalI fucking wish it was. That would be the more based timeline than the current one we inhabit.
No. 1853694
>>1853667Actually samefagging from
>>1853673 to continue about why Korean incels are so terrible: rapists, pedos and woman beaters constantly get off scotch free with a slap on the wrist if the police even bothered to investigate the case. Men in their society are used to being able to treat women like garbage and never having to bear the consequences, there are so many cases of young women being even systemically raped and the police looking the other way (like the infamous burning sun scandal), it's almost always left at the hands of the girl herself and her family to do the legwork and seek justice. Only if you're the child of some powerful politician you can get shit done but otherwise men can do pretty much whatever and women have to submit. You literally see case reports where an adult man raping and beating up a 12-year old gets off with a lighter sentence because of some bullshit "but she was tall for her age/she was wearing a short skirt" excuse.
Now imagine how this translates to fandoms,
especially in fandoms for a property with an international audience that doesn't have the same incentive to bend a knee for Korean incels every time they cry oppression. They'll chimp the fuck out until they go blue in the face to the point they become completely blind to how embarrassing their behavior is, especially because they're so used to getting their way when threatening Korean companies.
No. 1853875
>>1853874nah i was there from the start and the first batch criticism he got before the other stuff was that his game was sexualizing minors, which is a fair critique, if the people spouting it werent filthy weeaboos who consume anime anyways, despite 99% of it having sexualized high school girls. Antis are hypocrites, none of them are willing to stop consooming animu even though it being a deeply
problematic medium where even the kawaii uguu wholesome slop that gets shilled as wholesome like dragon maid hides pedo fanservice.
No. 1853897
>>1853886you clearly werent there when he started talking about the skirt inventory stuff lol. My point isnt related to yansim itself anyways, but to how antis are just hypocrite weebs who call out western game devs/artists but then go back to enjoying the same
problematic stuff, but made by japanese people.
No. 1853948
>>1853897People outside of kiwifarms initially were more mad about not having a yaoi option and the homophobia of Yandev in the 4chan screenshots more than skirt inventory shit.
The skirt inventory shit is notable because of his reaction to people voting other options other than what he wanted, not because there is a opening skirt gimmick in a highschool anime hitman.
People just started moralfagging to have more excuses to make fun of him or get other people to hate him/pay attention.
No. 1854035
>>1853484>Has anyone ever met someone kind of hybrid of a proshipper and an anti?>Self proclaimed proshipper talked all that shit about antis being sooo immature when she had the same old crybaby attitude just like them.TBH most self-proclaimed "proshippers" are like this in my experience, they only call themselves pro-ship or pro-fiction to defend the kind of stuff they like. Or they use the same reasonings as antis do in a self-serving way about how their
problematic fics/ships are "to cope" or "rebelling against society's standards on sex for women"/"queer expression" or whatever. I used to know one girl who claimed to be a proshipper because she supported incest, noncon, age gap shipping (fair enough), but would sperg out over different headcanons (what happened to "don't like don't read"?) and was sexually conservative otherwise. I can't imagine being super into noncon fics with your faves but also squeamish over other people's consensual lives. The other one I knew was all into similar stuff but lost her mind when a kink meme for a fandom she was in had a prompt where a character who is commonly headcanoned as trans gets force detransitioned by another character, she went off about how it should be deleted and it was no better than school shooter type fanfics. I hate detransition kink but I though YKINMK + she usually likes noncon stuff?
Not to mention on Twitter proshippers skew gendie and will be all about "your kink is not my kink" unless you don't like straight sex/PIV or omegaverse in your M/M or F/F ships, then you're more suspicious than the people into shota beastiality with Pokemon characters or whatever. That's honestly why I don't call myself a proshipper, I'm ultimately too judgmental. I wish others would be more honest about that.
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>>1853663>twitter/tumblr fandom discourse thread>topics include: 'Proshipping vs. Antishipping'>mad that people are discussing proship vs. antiship online dramaYou're saying that my post "reads like a highschool diary", but can you read
at all?
No. 1854217
>>1854137we make fun of both sides of shipping discourse here, also your posts reads like a high school diary beacuse no one else
formats their posts
like that>>1853677lol even here you get that kind of unhinged shit, just yesterdays someone was sperging in unpopular opinions about there weren't enough feminine female characters uwu. terminally online
No. 1854235
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So I don't know if this might be controversial or bot, I don't actually consider isekais to be power fantasies because I believe that a power fantasy requires there to be an ideal version of oneself, and I don't see that most isekais series, whether it's being reincarnated into a video game world or being born as a villaines. The protagonists of these series are just regular people of their time, and they stumble through everything, gaining financial and material goods. but they don't ever become better people or even change physically much other than their clothing.
No. 1854278
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>>1854261just ignore that retard
>>1854227it's just being so terminally online that you think a vocal group of equally online people represent society at large.
No. 1854302
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Ikuhara is getting the #MeToo treatment after rumors surfaced that he creeped on underage girls at US cons. So far it’s a “he said, she said” sort of deal but honestly it’s not surprising at all. Who’d have thunk it, a man with a fetish for teenage girls turned out to be a creep irl. The only surprising thing is that he hasn’t trooned out by now. This along with the James Somerton takedown is delicious schadenfreude for seeing scrotes getting their just desserts.
No. 1854305
>>1854297you can't control how people respond to media, of course peole are going to misunderstand teh story and interpret characters differently. you can't afford to let that stop you or you'll never get shit done.
imo authors regularly engaging with fandoms was a mistake, better not let them get to you
No. 1854335
>>1854297What the other anons are saying is right, you can't stop anyone or anything from being nasty with your characters. Trans is just the new cool thing. Maybe if it didn't catch on you'd be sweating bullets over people making fart porn of your characters or something. Well, at least one type of porn is okay to dislike in people's eyes.
>transwash your characters?Counting my chickens before they hatch here (as in any discussion about a hypothetical fandom) I am definitely not looking forward to the tranny shit though. I don't care about rep in general either so I'm not looking forward to being talked down to about "zomg! no trannies! what character am I supposed to self insert into!" If there's a popular trans headcanon your hands are basically tied around your back and you're the bad guy if you disprove it kek
Regardless of troonisms, you just have to accept that when you create something you let it out into the jungle and anyone can do anything with it. Tough pill to swallow, but it's true.
No. 1854358
>>1854137It reads like a highschool diary entry because it's literally written in a "um then like this girl does like _this thing_ and can you like
believe her??? that _stupid bitch_ omg she's like such a dumb bitch!!" blogpost format with no real substance to anyone who's not personally involved in it.
No. 1854992
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>>1854217>we make fun of both sides of shipping discourse herecongrats.
>also your posts>your postsStop it. Just stop right there. You're not a moderator, you're not a psychic. You can't tell what posts I make because this is an anonymous imageboard. You dont know shit.
>reads like a high school diaryIt's a recollection of a memory I made while I was feeling drunk. Why are you feeling so anal over an imageboard post writing style when it isn't even twitterfaggy? You a college professor? Do I get an F?
>beacuse no one else formats their posts like thatYou take yourself too seriously and you overestimate your literary intelligence. Dozens of anons type like any format.
>>1854358>It reads like a highschool diary entry because it's literally written in a "um then like this girl does like _this thing_ and can you like believe her???Didn't even type in the format your example is presenting. Try again before inserting yourself into conversations, bubblebrain.
>that _stupid bitch_ omg she's like such a dumb bitch!I liked calling her a stupid bitch because she was one. It feels good to call stupid people stupid, retard.
>blogpost Bitch it's /ot/, blogposting is everywhere to make a point; quit being a newfag and get with the program.
>format with no real substanceYou're just telling me you aren't interested in reading.
>to anyone who's not personally involved in itIf you don't care, then I never needed your response. Bye bye.
(infighting) No. 1855102
>>1854297I'm writing a book with a woman with the same goal as Yamato of One Piece
being as good as her idol Kozuki Oden, except she doesn't refers herself as "he/him", BUT I know TIFs will claim she's one of them because being a tomboy is soooooo old.
I'm not going to bother if they dare to transwash my characters, is a headcanon after all, but I'll raise hell if one of them dare to say they're "kin" with one of my characters, that's why their version is the truthful, not mine.
No. 1855106
>>1854297I don't even know tbh, I write in English because ideas flow better to me like this, but I also just know that no one will want to read one of the stories I want to make with my best friend. But it's mostly because it's about gay dudes and being gay is bad and all that stuff.
Tbh, I don't even care if people try to troon out my characters because I know the canon. I'm worried about people thinking I'm a lesbian for daring to write a romantic story with my best friend because the story has gay dudes. Idk, it's a weird fear I have, I'm very paranoid about it.
No. 1855206
>>1854992> calling others newfags>"You take yourself too seriously and you overestimate your literary intelligence. Dozens of anons type like any format."nothing to do with literary intelligence. i was referring to the way the characters were formatted, not the writing style.
if you lurked enough you would have noticed no other anons use
bolding and
italics the way you did. hope that helps.
>>1854356i don't think you should have hese thoughtd interfere in your creative process. everyine engages with astory in their own wway, andthere'll always be peoplee who misinterpret what they read. can't really control how others react.
of course you can always add your own opinions into the story but you run the risk of soapboxing.
No. 1855331
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There is a large section of shippers who are so brain-rotten due to fan-fiction and porn that they genuinely believe sexuality doesn't exist.
No. 1855338
>>1855331>people shipping characters who's actor have basically no on-screen chemistrymore news at 10!
but seriously though anon, look into that autism screening
No. 1855561
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This is the worst example of fandom brain-rot meshing with political brain-rot, comparing an ethnic cleansing to a ship they dislike.
No. 1855848
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Can someone tell to Xiran that you can burn yourself if you play with fire? Why can't she just stay self posting about her self-insert book from a horrid anime and her two husbandos?
No. 1856094
>>1855848why doesn't she read about it and form her own opinion? why make a poll about it? she is using real events to get clout and twitter engagement which is a really weird thing to do when your whole brand is being progressive
>>1855867>i seriously doubt there is a single person from yugoslavia that watches her.you're right but thats because yugoslavia doesnt exist anymore
No. 1856307
>>1856151Don't you know? If you don't post pro-Palestine stuff, you're a zionist or a nazi. I had to shut down the RT option to some users because they kept RTing dead corpses like if that's bringing awareness. Yes, people are dying and is horrible, but have some dignity in not using their image for something they didn't ask to.
And yes, is quite ironic how she ask about genocide when her book is about… A war against other ethnic, and women, specially concubine, die like trash.
No. 1856501
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>>1856357sageblog but someone asked me why Haiti and Chile, countries that had big earthquakes, had different kind of help (Haiti having more help than Chile). It was because Chile was known for being a country where earthquakes were normal and the fact the news in Chile only have shown destroyed houses and buildings and injured people, while in Haiti were corpses and corpses and destroyed houses. Yes, Haiti is way poorer than Chile, but it shows that the one thing that people care more is seeing dead people to know the awareness of certain situation.
Now is not common that we don't see corpses in any Palestine-Israel conflict, but now we have zoomers sharing the photos to feel better than someone else to raise "awareness" or to call to someone else insensitive. I bet if they have been living in Munich '72 with internet and all, they would have supported Black September.
(derailing) No. 1856593
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This is a psy-op to get women to date STD ridden bi-men who will likely troon out.
No. 1856676
>>1856099Getting mad over satirical tweets is autistic and cringe. Get over yourself.
>>1856307>I had to shut down the RT option to some users because they kept RTing dead corpses like if that's bringing awarenessstraight up unfollowed a bunch of people for spamming my feed with photos of bloodied, mutilated corpses with taglines like "YOU'RE A ZIONIST IF YOU DON'T RETWEET THIS RIGHT NOW". Nobody was this overtly aggressive about Ukraine because it wasn't so tightly tied to American internal politics and Sudan nobody gives a shit about because your garden variety zoomer has no idea where that country is even located at.
(infighting) No. 1856699
>>1854992>meangirl larp>while I was drunk>>1855331>"shipper": women are attractive>shippers (women) are porn rotted due to fan-fiction, how dare you invalidate my penis loving sexuality!!Some of you read as if you're simultaneously gravely underage but also are somehow terminal mid life bipolar fucking train wrecks at the same time. Bleak. Women will never not police each other over retarded unimportant shit.
>>1853392>>1853454Males are inhuman
>>1856593Ah yes as opposed to STI ridden straight men. How was that first thought in your head from this retarded self abasing post and not the "take it in the ass" part.
No. 1856734
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>>1856705I think he looked hot here, he was fit but not too muscular for my taste. Juliette Lewis hasn't stopped looking amazing but Harrelson aged like yogurt.
No. 1856828
>>1856761OFMD are trying to get a third season after being cancelled, but three doritos before they asked to not support the serie because Taika supported the release of hostages.
Funny how it works.
No. 1856891
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>>1856881I follow some Israeli artist and there's always assholes posting the watermelon emoji (because "censorship"), "to the river to the sea", etc. Even if you tell them that not all the Israeli people are zionist or are against the war, they'll tell you "oh they're still colonizers because they arrived from Europe after WWII".
I know this should be in Twitter hate, but she's also a book author trying to buy Twitter brownies in her fandom.
No. 1856910
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Why are these threads so fucking autistic full of anime retards? Isn't there ACTUAL anime threads for that shit? Let's discuss actual FANDOM shit that gets shut down in other threads.
Here's some current garbage from the BG3 fandom: A feeder fetishist killing a character in real time! First image the character was normal weight and got tons of likes as most even mildly competent fanart does, then over the next few months he got progressively heavier and heavier until now he's a literal death fat. Middle pic is the artists character casually insulting his appearance. I'm usually not one for moral fagging art, but it just doesn't seem like a "regular" fetish anymore…its people actually getting off to the idea of someone getting mentally and physically abused into an early grave
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>>1856913what part of "i usually dont moral fag" dont you comprehend, edgelord? It just stood out as the most deranged fetish art ive seen in while
>>1856921lmao no arguments from me kek I think his fans find his griminess a feature.
>>1856925BG3 fandom is known for being snowflakes who cant handle basic ass MAID COSTUMES, hence why i thought this instance of an actually deranged fetish would be interesting to share. How is my actual milk lesser than the infighting and anime discourse of the previous threads? Bring something better or stfu
ANYWAY since you asked, heres some fandom SPECIFIC insanity since fandom art apparently isn't good enough for this christian anime board
No. 1856991
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>>1856936>>1856944wow, a bunch of Newfags who cant even sage doing nothing but try to start infighting rather than contribute with better content. This may come as a shock to you, but posting about a game is not a political statement, you absolute inbreds.
>>1856953oh wow a real reply. yeah its wild how people behave when they're anonymous and in groups of likeminded retards..anyway since im here here's my last drama summary. Once again, astarion fangirls (the abused amoral twink everyone is self projecting onto) are insane and will send death threats to anyone disrespecting their precious fictional husbando.
Cue the female fan apologising for hurting the insane peoples feelings. Its not as pathetic and groveling as many other apologies, but writing an apology letter is such peak troll feeding behaviour, why do women keep doing it.
No. 1856998
>>1856761Israeli civilian hostages are absolutely innocent just like Palestinian civilians don't equal Hamas, you have to be a special breed of scumbag to call someone "a traitor" or a "zionist" for wanting them to be freed. Sometimes I feel like these terminally online people treat these severely complicated problems as a video game or a movie with a black and white bad and evil side oppressing the good and pure side, the Gaza strip conflict has been going on for decades and only flared up because Putin wanted to draw attention away from Ukraine and funded Hamas with more attack gear. And it sure as hell worked. There's so much pressure for people to have an opinion on every single issue ever even when they're not educated enough on it to know what's going on so it ends up with spergery that goes nowhere because everyone is mindlessly RTing corpses of bomb
victims.
(derailing) No. 1857080
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homestuck anon who posted threadpic come back… we are like passing ships in the night.
i'm also still in the fandom and it's become a truly insufferable cesspool. not that it wasn't before but it's worse than ever now. the june egbert thing has given way to this new trend of transing literally every male character in the comic. picrel is tranny dave fanart, which has also taken off lately. i guess this is just the hip new way of genderbending characters? i don't know if this is hetshippers ruining everything, or just the inevitable end result about those jokes about slash ships being "yuri" because people will often ship troon dave with a likewise trooned karkat or john.
No. 1857185
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This is a theory I have, there are many overweight, unattractive, and balding moids who are incapable of embodying the young male protagonist or the tough macho action hero. Consequently, they opt to insert themselves as creatures such as goblins, orcs, trolls, etc. As men become increasingly less appealing, this trend has gained momentum. I first observed it in the Baalbuddy comics, where all women are portrayed as longing for these revolting monsters, depicted in the likeness of ugly men.
No. 1857246
>>1857088yeah I've heard that mentioned sure, but i assumed that was mainly regarding the vent & rambling threads aka threads with no distinct milk or subject matter. The written rules for OT also give no general exception to the rule either. So sorry for not caring about unwritten rules when there's infighting and poltics fagging going on.
pick your battles
No. 1857544
>>1857539I don't get how people liked the first 4 acts either, it was just a bunch of cringy scrote reference humor with some poorly drawn ms paint scribbles.
>>1857540Never thought about it that way but it that would make sense. Stuff like anime and hunger games had a heavy capitalism aspect of encouraging fans to buy merch to show their support but with homestuck I don't think there was anything to buy for quite a while.
No. 1857554
>>1857185This has nothing to do with self insertion, you're completely off the mark. Moids get off to women being raped by orcs/goblins/animals/tentacle monsters for the same reason racist moids get off to blacked porn, they get off to the idea of a beautiful, "pure" woman being ravaged and defiled by (what they see as) a monstrous rape beast (again, I'm not calling black people monsters, this is just how those men perceive them).
The baalbuddy comics featuring orcs in this light is just played up for "comedy."
No. 1857612
>>1857185I wonder why all these male coomers are never bisexual.
Though it wouldn't surprise me if Baalbuddy found his Orcs hot.
No. 1857840
>>1854297Working on comics on my little spare time. If I get cancelled for being a
terf, I'd want to just come out and say it, or more likely I'll just drop from the face of the internet lmao. If someone transwashes my characters I'll say I find that dysphoric. Though someone already claimed my het platonic (for the moment) couple is ace so we're getting there.
No. 1857905
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So this is more of a vent, but I truly hate the fact that a good chunk of the media I like is infested with either TIMs or TIFs. Like, what the fuck does that say about me?
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>>1857905cant even escape from troondom in anime form anymore, it's dire.
No. 1857919
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Do you guys even want to imagine the fallout from an Ouran S2 or remake in this day and age? From Haruhi being GNC to homophobic Tamaki, the tranny dad and the gay incest twins? My brain is hurting just thinking about it.
No. 1857927
>>1857922The even had a cabal of man-hating lesbians kek. I believe they would all be
TERF queens today
No. 1857936
>>1857929even back in like 2015-16 when this fandom moralfagging was starting to get worse but wasn't quite as bad yet, it was so funny trying to see their mental gymnastics trying to justify their enjoyment of a show that has every "
problematic" thing they claim to hate.
No. 1857940
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>>1857919I'm glad the fandom never got a hint of this scene of Hoozuki no Reitetsu for being "transphobic"
Context: Hoozuki on the left think a TIM oni is a man for his body, but Hakutaku on the right think a TIM oni is a woman in "her heart". To some people it sound like Hoozuki is transphobic while Hakutaku is an ally, but the real thing is that they don't care about the gender, they care about winning a stupid contest they made to spend the time.
No. 1857941
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>>1857940The tim in question.
No. 1857943
>>1857919Maybe the fact Ouran was meant as a parody/deconstruction of shujo and fujo stories (and even sometimes yuri works, as
>>1857927 mentioned). It would be given some leeway. I mean, originally, the author wanted Haruhi to end up with Mori, which would have been a pretty wild plot twist but would make sense, and even after that, the fact that the twin who pretends to be a gay bottom was given a romantic date before the main or second lead was really something.
No. 1857946
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>>1857944But he's not only transphobic, he also has a soft spot for cute animals. A perfect husbando, if I have to say myself.
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>>1857922also fun fact, in the manga the 17yo shota is the first person in the host club to get married to his love interest.
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>>1857185>>1857887This reminds me of an interaction I saw just yesterday. It was a comment from a video recapping an 80's Mario OVA that featured Princess Peach marrying a handsome prince in the end. Of course, there were moids who were personally upset by it, but then a few other men outright admitted to wanting to molest the prince. Like, what the actual fuck?
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>>1859041That's why the "is a trap" meme is used on Bridget. He's a boy raised as a girl for a stupid lore thing. TRAs using him as "trans symbol" ignore the lore and the fact he was raised to save his life, not because "gender issues".
No. 1859581
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Looked up the Hogwarts Legacy tags on tumblr/twt for shits and giggles and the difference in fandom quality when there are far less westerners in it is WILD(speaking as a burger myself)
>(most) westerners seething and sucking troon dick
>esl/nonwestern fandom pumping out tons of quality art pieces
>the fujoshit art is great
>the yumeshit art is great
>the straight art is great
And the tags aren’t full of endless memes and generic “insert your ship” text posts spammed with ship names
MANwe suck
Sorry world
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>>1859581i have never played hogwarts legacy or even watched HP but the level of this hogwarts legacy artist amazes me
No. 1859626
>>1859615Does the non English speaking world even like PJO? I don’t know anyone over 10 years old who ever enjoyed it even in its country of origin.
I really wish there hadn’t been so many obsessed millennials insisting it was high art (pre jkr seethepocolypse) but Harry Potter has been and will always be a worldwide favorite.
No. 1859666
>>1859615I don't think it is high art either but a lot of the criticism doesn't add up to me. "Read another book" overlooks that HP was a worldwide
social phenomenon that will likely never be replicated ever again. Lots of great books simply don't have the readership to sustain a fandom or have enough content released so regularly as to become a part of a person's entire childhood and teenage years.
>>1859581I'm a bit confused by this, is it just because it's a smaller fandom in general or because the ratio of Westerners to Non-Westerners is appreciably different?
No. 1859962
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>>1856761Sage for OT, but this whole conflict made me realize how stupid the average person truly is. I mean, they're treating it like it's some fandom drama, treating a nation's past-era as if it's some celeb's history.
(derailing) No. 1859984
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>>1859734The most stupid meme I have seen for JJK fandom was the "shrine" over a Crunchyroll poster. The metro even said "go ahead and put that shit, we are going to remove it anyway".
No. 1860007
>>1859637>>1859639Yes, Bridget has gotten an inordinate amount of doujinshi and degen art for two decades now. IIRC, Boku no Pico was inspired by Bridget too.
What mainly makes me seethe about Bridget's current state is the massive flood of official merch and figs while almost every other character is left totally in the dust.
No. 1860015
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>>1860009same. no matter how many tags i filter out some always sneaks in. tag your shit bitches
No. 1860036
>>1860031It's because in their tranny doctrine, trans men are the same thing as men so if you like one you
have to like the other because they're totes the same thing and if you dare to take the blinders off for a second and acknowledge they aren't the same, then you're a bigot. Which is retarded because if trans men really were men, they wouldn't need a fucking qualifier. And they all know this btw, you're just not allowed to say it out loud
No. 1860096
>>1860047I know exactly what you mean- most western artists in the fandom basically draw the characters like they're humans badly cosplaying the robot or just draw them as typical gross tumblr representation blobs that are entirely human to the point that they have no design elements that link back to the original.
What bugs me more is, as an artist, simpler and blockier mecha like transformers or gundum are actually great for practicing form and perspective (without worrying about organic forms or muscle movement etc), and it would do these artists good to actually draw on-model. But nah, that's hard and might look awkward and bad at first, so better not try and assert 'headcanon' designs as a
valid substitute instead.
No. 1860100
>>1860042I stopped reading fic but NGL every time I see untagged trans content (I've read several fics where a side character was not-subtly trans and even a F/F fic with "stealth" PIV) I get tempted to open an incognito window and comment "omg this
triggered my dysphoria, can you please tag it"
No. 1860202
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I am fascinated by this genre of fandom obsessed moron who are into moderately irrelevant pieces of older media. they are almost always fujos as well, usually into anything with al pacino and robert de niro. They exhibit the usual fandom mannerisms, calling the actors their babygirls, and referring to the actions of violent murdering criminals as them ovulating. It's pathetic and degenerate, yet I am intrigued by them.
No. 1860222
>>1860100Don't give those terrorists what they want. Any sort of comment, especially negative, will fuel their
victim complex and will use your comment to showcase how oppressed they are and how "it's important to lift trans voices so please read my fic and give it kudos/comments to show your support for marginalized groups!"
No. 1860281
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I love King of Fighters and talking about the characters with my friends, but good lord, some of the people are insufferable in the community and then I wonder why I only play it casually instead of wanting to learn it. There's a tweet going around about a guy going like "I'm not really into the game" and all of the replies are full of players of the game insulting him, saying crap like "you play X game so your opinion doesn't matter" or "you're just saying that because you suck lol". Then in a few days, those same fans will complain about why nobody wants to get into or play KOF.
The way that it gatekeeps really gets on my nerves, too. I play on fightcade, and never have I seen so many smurf accounts in my fucking life, and that's considering I've delved into other fighting games on that program. To keep it simple, players pretend to be "new" by keeping their low ranks, and if they rank up, they just make another account to target people who are really new at the game, rinse and repeat. Some even go in the lobby going like "I'm a noob, please go easy on me", before insulting you and saying you play like shit after they beat you.
I know the FGC is known for this bullcrap, but I can't seem to wrap my head around why KOF has this shit really bad in particular. Other retro games I've played have plenty of players of all skill levels, and it's a lot easier to get feedback from them, but all I've seen and experienced with KOF players is just rude snarkiness. It's just a fucking video game, so what would they gain by shitting on new players? lmfao
No. 1860330
>>1860222>Any sort of comment, especially negative, will fuel their victim complex and will use your comment to showcase how oppressed they are and how "it's important to lift trans voices so please read my fic and give it kudos/comments to show your support for marginalized groups!"Except pulling the "this
triggered muh dysphoria" card is playing by their game by pretending to be trans and getting offended by their "affirming" content. Some koolaid drinkers will ignore it but others will bend over backwards to appease their fellow kweer's feefees.
No. 1860446
>>1860281Jut wait until you learn literaly all fighting game communities are like this
>>1860388Dn't forget save states
No. 1860561
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I know this has been discussed to death already, but I still don't really understand why so many modern male anime dubbers sound like whiny faggot. I'm not trying to be homophobic or insulting, but scenes like this genuinely sounds like a group of random unfunny gay men reading something out loud.
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>>1860561Also, they're just so unbelievably unfunny. They have to stop putting in dated twitter humor.
No. 1861047
>>1860876I fucking hate this so much. I'm ESL and I've never played with the English dubs as unlike common burgers I'm capable of reading subtitles and listening to a language I don't understand (and because for me engdubs sound cheesy and overacted almost every time) so I always default to the original dub in games, anime, movies, etc. This leads to a situation where I end up reading the shittiest opinions from people because they've only seen the dubbed version that changed things around to accommodate actor ad-libbing so in worst cases the characters end up being completely different from their original portrayal. Like making someone who's stoic but polite into a brooding edgelord because the localizer was paid $5 an hour and he couldn't be assed to really understand the character at that price. And when I say I never do dubs I'm called a pompous weeb even when I explain that English isn't my native language so English would be "just as" foreign to me. Fuck engdubs and people who treat them as the default.
>>1860561They get a minimal budget so they get non-union Z-list youtubers to do the voices and what you pay for is what you get. It's also why you constantly hear about engdub voice actor drama, they're freelancers without a manager so they get involved in every retarded fandom scuffle in existence.
No. 1861083
>>1860561… I've heard better voice acting (and dumb/bad jokes) out of ancient abridged series on youtube kek, wow. I think the faggy sound you're noticing is due to a lot of these people being from similar areas, being in the same circles as each other, being adult theatre kids, and them trying to imitate other dub actors. Plus a lot of them don't put on a character voice, they just speak normally while emoting to the script.
>>1861078I think something that helped older dubs was that there were simply less of them, and sometimes they often came out some time after the original anime aired. There would be more production time for better localisation/understanding of the source material, you'd be able to actually audition VAs properly, and those VAs could have more time to figure out their performances. Older dubs aren't perfect, plenty are ridiculously bad, and everything I just wrote might have usually not occurred, but the current way dubs are churned out for far more animes now can't be good for the quality of the final product. Lot of VAs just do 'a' voice, rather than one more fit for a specific character and story/tone, and they have the emotional range of a shoe, but as long as they meet their deadlines and sound like they're 'acting', I'm sure no one running these productions really cares.
No. 1861093
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>>1861083Another thing that helped was that anime voice actors were actual(or former) actors most of the time, who would also be doing voice work for western cartoons. However, when crunchyroll took over the industry, a gap started to emerge where cheaper internet-based LA dubbers suddenly took over the scene, and the quality of voice actors has never really been recovered.
No. 1861103
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>>1861097Oh, but nonna, Who else will fund their expensive break rooms if you don't grace them with your patronage for their subpar services, shit localization and awful voice-acting?
No. 1861105
>>1861103And none of that money is going to artists making the anime.
God, please nuke california
No. 1861107
>>1861093True, and there seems to be less movement between cartoon voice acting and anime dubbing by actors, probably because both camps are pretty clique-y (from what I've heard, anyway).
I remember a brief period where some funimation dubs like a decade (or more) ago were actually getting pretty decent, but then it all went to shit kek, so yeah I agree that it's probably not going to get better on average for a long time.
>>1861103This looks like an architectural concept by a weeb techbro in uni trying to depict their ideal breakroom lmao. so tacky.
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>>1861107>True, and there seems to be less movement between cartoon voice acting and anime dubbing by actors, probably because both camps are pretty clique-y (from what I've heard, anyway).It's mostly due to unions. Most actors are in some type of established unions to negotiate pay in exchange for quality
>but then it all went to shit kek, so yeah I agree that it's probably not going to get better on average for a long time.Probably the only thing that could save it, is if Crunhyroll goes bankrupt.
>This looks like an architectural concept by a weeb techbro in uni trying to depict their ideal breakroom lmao. so tacky..but also very hipster-ish.
No. 1861158
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This made me kek
No. 1861163
>>1861158kek I hate reading shit like this, it's like it was spat out by an ai with a learning disability.
I have never touched the game, but dead by daylight's fandom is full of this kind of thing and it fascinates me.
No. 1861251
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>>1861111>>1861103I'm genuinely confused, how the fuck does a company have these elaborate room spaces that cost millions of dollars to set up and hundreds of thousands to maintain, yet have such cheap-sounding voice actors?
No. 1861432
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>>1860198They're basically the gay version of that beetle experiment thing
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This degen behavior, is why I'm against all forms of pro-shipping.
No. 1861444
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>>1861435I hate when they take real situations and make it about proshipping
No. 1861445
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>>1861435This is more of a symptom of general fandom porn addiction than pro-shipping. Both sides can’t resist these tired-ass “memes”, it’s just one side is fatter and more tit chopped than the other.
No. 1861456
>>1861450wrong thread pakic-, i mean
nonny, let me redirect you to the correct one
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No. 1861461
>>1861455I'm not pro or against anything, I like making fun of both sides. I just think it's funny how this thread clearly gets mad at anyone who mentions proshippers in a negative way. They should really take "proshipping vs. antishipping" out of the OP, like was discussed in the last thread. But I guess whoever made the OP forgot.
>>1861457Asking a group of people who make 50+ page documents supporting how proshipping leads to trooning to not be coomers is insane kek
No. 1861473
>>1861427>Especially when it comes to Japanese moids, it's hard to find one that isn't a creep in some way.Exactly the same as male nerds in other countries then.
>The women are okay though, but their arguments are over such technical and little things that it gets annoying.Way better than being harassed by TIFs or female normies for reading BL or for playing JRPGs with cute female characters.
>And even when it comes to JP dubs, there are certain voice actors that are bad or just have a certain dialect that is hard to listen toThey're a minority and usually you only hear them when the original audio is Japanese so at least you can just tell yourself that this is how the characters are supposed to sound to begin with. Unlike when you're not even from an English speaking country and you want to play a Japanese video game and the only option you have is to listen to chain smoking Amerilard voice actors in their 50s saying outdated memes in their microphones because American and European video game companies are cheap as fuck. At least come up with better arguments, I'm sure there are several you can find that actually prove your point about grass being greener on the other side.
I'm trying to find some and legit the only one I can find is super niche: some Japanese fujoshi get their BL manga in France, Germany or the USA so they can see the characters' uncensored dicks and they're jealous that some countries don't have censorship. Or some Japanese fans of Uchikoshi's video games are jealous that he only posts in English and not in Japanese on twitter so they can't ask questions about their favorite characters or games. Like, that's really it. I think a better comparison would have been to talk about Japanese westboos getting some Western games censored or having fucked up translations for Hollywood movies' subtitles (I've heard about it because of a specific old lady translator but I don't remember her name).
No. 1861617
>>1861251Insight from someone who actually works in the American Dubbing industry, it’s because they underpay the voice actors so much that no self respecting professional would ever willingly do it. The standard rate per hour from a professional studio is anywhere from $200-250 USD per hour. This is for original content too, like movies or video games where the lines are recorded ahead of time. Dubbing is ADR, which is going over something already animated and syncing it. This is not an easy skill, and a lot of voice actors charge 50-100 USD extra for this skill. So, for a professional voice actor to dub over an anime, that would be around 250-400 US dollars per hour, which is standard for video game/animation. The average pay for dubbing in California (which has the highest paying salary in the US) is about 75-80 dollars per hour. This also includes the fact anime has a lot more vocally straining work, no self respecting voice actor is gonna do that unless anime is a passion for them. That’s why a lot of dubs tend to have amateurish voices.
The thing is, even in the dubbing industry, everyone hates Crunchyroll because of the fact they can ABSOLUTELY afford to pay the industry standard for their voice actors, but they don’t. The good voice actors of the past have now raised their standards, and are no longer willing to work for such a low industry rate. So they hire new, amateur voice actors who think 75 bucks per hour for ADR work is a great deal, and that’s why new anime sucks. Even passionate voice actors who love anime are dropping Crunchyroll because of how bad it is.
No. 1861621
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>>1861614>>1861618imagine if vivzie said this, everyon would accuse her of trying to groom children into fujoism
No. 1861627
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Almost every self-proclaimed himejoshi/"yuri enjoyer" is like this now. You would've never seen these types of tweets get almost 20k likes pre-covid, just "I hc them as bi4bi excuses. It's honestly amazing how hetfags find new ways to simultaneously ship mostly m/f while jerking themselves off for being woke and "not like the other boring hetshippers". One of the worst trends to come out of the yaoi yuri revival.
No. 1861628
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>>1861552At the top we have Belphegor and Diavolo (Obey Me!). At the bottom we have whatever monstrosities the artist thinks should pass for Belphegor and Diavolo. This particular artist finds the characters to be "unrealistic," failing to realize that no woman who plays otome games wants to look at ugly men.
No. 1861634
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>>1861621proof of his degeneracy
No. 1861637
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>>1861634he also has a ryona fetish, what a coincidencer his loli mc whose totes 25yo is constantly in fear
No. 1861641
>>1861640anon, he's
>a tranny>with fucked up fetishes>who made the mc of his ryona fetish show a clown lolipls, he's terminally online enough to indulge in weird autistic shit like inflation and purposefully add a tumblr sexy man yet you are giving him the benefit of the doubt? you sound very new
No. 1861646
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>>1861635>>1861639In his demon form, he has cow markings on his clothes. I suppose they were trying to replicate that.
No. 1861655
>>1861642Goose never intended for TADC to be for children. He really hates that kids are into it. Just because a creator suddenly gets a following of children doesn't mean that they're obligated to make themselves safe for children.
>>1861641>you are giving him the benefit of the doubtYes, because he dislikes his younger following and he wants to double down on making the show as depressing as possible to make it appeal to kids as little as possible
No. 1861666
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>>1861655Nyart, you can give him the benefit of the doubt but it still doesn't change the fact that Vivziepop has a bunch of loud haters (not fans!) trying to cancel her at every single turn for adding "
problematic content" to her
adult-only cartoons, while Gooseworx is left untouched despite the fact he has done and written a slew of far worse things. If this is not fandom double standards idk what it is. It's the nth example that women get scrutinized over everything they make and must always apologize for angering the retards mob, while men can create whatever the fuck they want and people even praise them whenever they act edgy.
No. 1861676
>>1861655I agree. His tweet clearly seemed like a joke, don't know why nonnas are taking it so serious. About his inflation and ryona though, that's just pure trash kek
>>1861666They need to stop trying to cancel her for having
problematic stuff in her content, and cancel her for not being able to write
No. 1861722
>>1861681This tweet
>>1861621 is a joke? I don't know if you're talking about his other tweets, which I agree are cow behavior, but that tweet was not serious. Nonetheless, we all don't like men here, I'm not defending anyone
No. 1861739
>>1861732This explains it perfectly, thank you
>>1861736No
No. 1861788
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>Looks just as bad if not even worse
No. 1861893
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kek I can't believe there are people defending troonworx when this retard draws shit like this:
https://litter.catbox.moe/8ehurc.zip No. 1861925
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speaking of coomers, there was a discussion in another thread, about how creators can be coomers and porn-addicts, but can create decent media cause they have more interesting frames of references, do you agree?
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I like how she goes from
>White people are racist because I said so
to
>WHY DOES THIS JAPANESE GAME HAVE NO ENGLISH
No. 1861945
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>>1861617nta but Thanks. That pretty much explains everything. I assume the cheaper VAs don't push for higher wages because they know they'd be easily replaced if that were the case. It sucks that this is the situation we have to deal with, but as another nonna said, the only hope is if Crunchyroll fails as a business.
No. 1861958
>>1861621>>1861634>>1861637>>1861893Honestly. Imagine for a moment if this was Vivziepop. She would be absolutely over and driven out with pitchforks for being a "degenerate groomer pushing her fetishes on children" but because it's a moid even anons in here are doing the "n-no you don't understand it's a joke out of context!" defense to whiteknight him while this goddamn thread gets derailed all the time to whine about how
problematic and misogynistic vivzie is for having a gay yaoi boy in the spotlight of her show or something.
>>1861788And speaking of her these HH redesigns make me cringe, it always reminds me of that blue girl redlining meme from ancient Lolcow.
No. 1862028
>>1861788I love fan/hater redesigns like this, they always end up feeling so laughably arrogant. They try to point out everything 'wrong' with the original using whatever (usually limited) design knowledge they have, and then proceed to not only fail to give any good solutions, but also make new problems on top of that (especially in regards to animation or readability). It's great.
>eyebrows make him look like a peacockI guess the only giga-brow character she's seen is the peacock from kung fu panda? I like that her solution is apparently bad drag makeup, very nice kek
No. 1862032
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>>1861973>>1861958At this point I'm convinced that that the western animation thread is full of underages or 18 yos who once loved Hazbin Hotel but felt betrayed as Vivziepop's work went on. Maybe there's even some ex-Aidens who always hated the show.
The most ridiculous part about Vivziepop haters both here and on other websites is that there's not one of them that's not obsessed like a fan would be: they watch all of her content to nitpick to death (not different from watching every frame to make insane theories), they all make redesigns (kinda like OCs), they all rewrite the story "because the concept is so cool but badly done" (basically fanfiction). I can't imagine spending so much creative power over something I hate or even dislike.
Oh, and so many of Vivziepop's haters seem to be jealous of her. Her opportunities, her badly executed ideas, etc. Why does this woman cause so much seething in other women especially? It can't be all shitty writing and supposedly "nepotism" because Rebecca Sugar got both of those things without ammassing such dedicated haters.
Are they jealous of Vivziepop's shamelessly doing things with self-serving indulgence? Her totally self-aware love for 2007 teenager cringe? Do they see and chastitize their past self in her?
No. 1862043
>>1861925I think creators can be coomers but still put out good work if they can keep that aspect mostly separate from their work (or entirely if that's more appropriate)– I say mostly because adult animated comedies, for example, have such a low bar that I don't care if some pornsick rot seeps through compared to ones where it's every second joke or line or visual. It would also be nice if I can consume their media without having to also know just how degenerate they are or what they create on the side is. If a person is well-read they're probably gonna create better media regardless, so I think that's the quality that usually gets these creators their jobs and that their coomer tendencies have little to do with anything other than potentially marring their work.
However, certain kinds of degeneracy are just a big no, like a creator liking/making racy bdsm art is whatever but anything pedo/shota/loli can fuck right off and will make me feel like dropping their work.
No. 1862059
>>1861621I get where the 'it's a joke' anon/s are coming from, as yeah, this is a shitty joke (or goal) that's pretty common to see from people making childish horror content- there's often a desire among those types to recreate (intentionally) their 'childhood trauma' from watching kids stuff with fucked/creepy shit in it in their own audiences. Not actual trauma-trauma, by the way, but how they felt when they saw something like the 'you're not perfect' scene in Courage the Cowardly Dog or whatever.
With that said, fuck gooseworx I have no faith in him not using his reach and TADC to be a creep or try to spread his fetishes to his audience. He's blatantly encouraging his fanbase to be degenerate already, it'll likely only get worse if the show manages to maintain its popularity.
No. 1862070
>>1862005take a deep breath. you can dislike male coomers and still not have an issue with women being a little weird in peace
>>1862032very true, i'm not exactly a fan but she is free, she's having fun, she's carved a place for herself, why hate that. it feels like a more extreme version of the strange love/hate thing that went on between tumblr users and [insert fandom]. this one work is their entire personality but in reality they hate it and think it's really the most
problematic thing on earth!!
No. 1862155
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>>1861928How do this type of people cope with the game being shotafag heaven and having cards like this?
No. 1862167
>>1862032>The most ridiculous part about Vivziepop haters both here and on other websites is that there's not one of them that's not obsessed like a fan would be: they watch all of her content to nitpick to death (not different from watching every frame to make insane theories), they all make redesigns (kinda like OCs), they all rewrite the story "because the concept is so cool but badly done" (basically fanfiction). I can't imagine spending so much creative power over something I hate or even dislike.This has always mystified me about those spergs in the western animation thread and adjacent spaces. They consoom every little bit of content Vivzie puts out to pick it to death and then draw redesigns they obviously spent a considerable amount of time on despite supposedly hating her so much. It makes no sense. I couldn't spend all that mental energy on something I didn't love.
>Are they jealous of Vivziepop's shamelessly doing things with self-serving indulgence?I honestly feel this is the root cause because they keep seething and seething over her specifically delivering the aesthetic she loves so much while they're stuck in their self conscious ironic phase where you can't have fun or be true to yourself because someone might find it cringe. Vivziepop is one of those rare unicorns in the animation scene who wasn't carried by nepotism thorough but years and years of hard work and staying loyal to her goals. She's been making indie animations since forever and never really defaulted to pandering, she just wanted to do what she found enjoyable and I can totally respect that. Too bad such attitude also attracts the worst insecure crabs who wish they had that kind of driving force.
No. 1862181
>>1862032In fairness, I saw the same deal with My Hero Academia.
People will shit on it, redesign the designs, fanfic to hell and back, do whatever except put the series down and look at something they might actually like.
No. 1862183
>>1861666Honestly, I think it's because Vivzie added m/m content to her show.
People who like m/m are put under way more scrutiny than people who like m/f or f/f.
No. 1862202
>>1862188same and I love those redesigns. The arrogance, misunderstanding of basic design principals, how they miss the forest for the trees, it's hilarious.
>>1862198kek kind of. In general, you can make a pretty good guess of what fandoms an artist has been in previously if you're familiar enough with that work– you can clock small design traits, especially in eyes/ears/hands, for example, as well as bigger aesthetic ones. As for behaviour, that's a bit harder to pin down, although some fandoms cultivate such specific attitudes that you can tell when one of theirs has popped up in a different fandom. It's interesting once you notice it.
No. 1862231
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King Magnifico from wish. is a great example of why writers relying on tropes for characters can mess things up. Originally, both the king and queen were supposed to be classic disney villains. There was nothing subtle about them, and it really could have been great to have a classic disney villain. However, it seems like some producer wanted the story to be changed to make them more sympathetic. So, both the king and queen were downgraded as being well-meaning people. The king specifically was given a dark backstory, and his motivation was to protect people so that no one suffers and feels trauma like he did. You could have had a decent sad villain with this, someone who wants to do well but takes away the freedom and expression of his people. In the end, he would have realized his mistakes. But then, as this was being done, some other producer saw the success of Puss in Boots and Spiderverse and wanted him to be an over-the-top villain again without erasing the previous well-meaning aspects. As a result, you end up with a really confusing mess of a character.
No. 1862235
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>>1862231remember when disney was trying to turn him into a tumblr sexy man?
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>>1862235Yup, the Twisted Wonderland artist drawing him was kind of funny tbh.
No. 1862250
>>1862246Ngl I'm just lazy.
She wrote
TW recently? Well then she's that guy.
No. 1862253
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>>1862235Tumblr is obsessed with villains like Hades and Jafar, the least they could do is give him an obnoxious long chin or something.
No. 1862261
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>>1862253Its like they saw different characters that are popular with tumblrtards and tried to mesh all their personalities together(ugly old man, villian, cocky) not realizing that all of those work well separate, but are beyond obnoxious together. Like how the onceler is a
cocky twink, how frollo is a classy
old man and how jafar/hades are cool
villians . I wish i could put it better into words, but Magnifico feels so fake and pandery, best word i can describe him as is ''safe horny''. I am so tired of all these safe horny characters that started popping out once men realized that some women have bottom tier taste and it's easy to pander to them with ugly male characters that dont threaten their sexualities like cute anime boys.
No. 1862315
>>1862231>it seems like some producer wanted the story to be changed to make them more sympatheticimma get spergy but god I am so sick of "sympathize with the villain" trend that just never seems to end. It's like they think everyone needs a tragic backstory to explain their actions, no one can just be chaotic and evil. They think they're giving the character depth and layers or some shit but in reality they just write a bad boring half-assed villain. If the villain was never a true villain because he had some noble backstory that justifies every action it kind of strips them from being a villain to begin with.
And it also pisses me off that it's happening at the same time women are asked to "just be kind" when males threathen them with abuse and violence. You're not teaching people to "see the other side of the argument, everyone is human, namaste peace and love" you are telling people that if someone is harming them it's probably kind of justified, they are totally hurting just as much as you so you should be forgiving of them (even though they've spent their entire lives trying to harm you). I know I'm reading too much into it kek sorry
No. 1862335
>>1862315I feel like modern audiences don't want evil characters though. There are enough people fighting others because they like a character that's been deemed
problematic. Every action has to be justified and then they need to have a long talk riddled with therapy lingo about how the thing they did was bad and how they won't do it again kek
No. 1862341
>>1862334Steven Universe. Aka. El gordo Mamón.
His superpowers was crybully villains into becoming good, even if they were genocidal murderers. I swear that show was designed to mentally cripple kids.
No. 1862350
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>>1862341Don't worry, they retconned it, so now the Diamonds never encountered any sort of intelligent life before and after Earth.
No. 1862371
>>1862366Its actually gen xr's
A lot of what i hate the most about modern american media comes from people like Dan Harmon and josh whedon
No. 1862638
>>1862050Pinning it on it being her fault on an individualistic level is turning a blind eye to the larger problem of female creators being put under the microscope at all times. A male creator could have a meltdown on social media every tuesday because he got angry at a fan and barely anyone would give a shit besides maybe laugh at him for being a narcissistic clown. When Andrew Dobson, someone who strongly pandered to the "progressive" crowd, was outed for having an entire history of drawing degenerate inflation art he was simply ridiculed for it, if he was a woman he would've been called a perverted misogynistic groomer who probably sticks bike pumps up children's asses. I went and checked the western animation thread out to see if it's as bad as it was a year ago and some anons are genuinely concern trolling over vivzie ~
triggering SA
victims~ with some depiction of that gay furry spider being dragged by his collar and wishing that people will drag her for this, this shit would absolutely not be a thing if a male creator was in question. If that were the case, anons would be coming up with excuses about how it's ackshually an ironic joke and people just don't get his artistic genius.
The same goes for Rebecca Sugar and even Noelle Stevenson, Noelle is a depressing gendie larper and clearly a lesbian damaged by her bible thumping family and the bihet who roped her into some polyshit but in the end what she's done is mostly being cringe and damaging to herself, she's not out there fucking 14-year old interns like half of male show creators. Everyone forgot about Justin Roiland in like 2 days and continued as normal but with Vivziepop people will gladly dig up her old posts from 2008.
No. 1862793
>>1862736I really don’t understand how people called at Rebecca genuine pedo for drawing that shit. Like, they both sound jokes to me. Ed Edd and Eddy porn sounds exactly like something an edgy teenage girl would laugh at. Should she have posted it for kids to potentially see? Probably not, but there’s no way she was genuinely turned on by that shit, unless I’m missing context or something.
I haven’t seen it but I heard the Ratatouille porn had Remy controlling Linguini as he was having sex with Colette which is even memier. If anything it sounds like she was trolling people or something, kek.
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>>1862794Okay, maybe she is weird then…
No. 1862797
>>1862793>I haven’t seen it but I heard the Ratatouille porn had Remy controlling Linguini as he was having sex with Colette which is even memier. If anything it sounds like she was trolling people or something, kek.It was that and slash art with Linguini and Chef Skinner (the short ugly chef guy). AKA, literally a joke when the movie was out.
>>1862794Wasn't she a teenager when she drew that though? I saw screenshots of her Invader Zim fansite and she was in high school then. Steven Universe is cancer but she was a run of the mill millennial fandom/indie comic artist before that. (Did anyone even read Pug Davis?)
No. 1862802
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>>1862796if she was japanese she would have grown up to make the best yumejo bait animu in existence
No. 1862832
>>1862032Hate≠Jealousy
A lot of people hate her because she's full of shit and a well known pain in the ass to be around.
No. 1862874
>>1862736kek ive noticed this too with how people treat authors differently based on their sex. Work by a “
problematic” female creator is treated as it’s inherently terrible and incredibly dangerous, nobody should touch it with a 50 foot pole and if you do you’re a terrible person. But male creators they deem
problematic, they’ll continue happily lapping up the content most of the time but just try to pretend they didn’t make it or act as “critical fans”. Seeing the treatment of JKR vs Scott Cawthon sure was something.
No. 1862914
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>>1862811I wish i could see that. Off topic but i tried looking it up and all i could find is a 2004 post on some blog thanking a "Rebecca" for her drawing
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>>1862638>but with Vivziepop people will gladly dig up her old posts from 2008.I just saw this on my timeline lol what's even the point
No. 1862957
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Why is tall, coombait lady x ugly manlet so popular among women on twitter/tumblr? Isn't this the kind of thing that exclusively caters to loser men?
No. 1862983
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>>1862957It's a tranny thing. The "weird little gremlin" represents fakebois and the "tall mommy gf" is an AGP cope for being a hulking 6"5 hon. These are the same kind of fictional relationships that trannies love to headcanon as "t4t"
No. 1862991
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>>1862832Yeah I'm sure every single one of her autistic haters knew her personally and now spams the western animation cows thread with her barely milk because they were actually slighted by her.
If anything I'd expect an ex-friend or coworker to actually make a thread only for her.
No. 1863028
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>>1862736speaking of Ian, he's been known to frequent the co board of 4chan for years now(along with a few other people in the Industry like Kelly Turbnall and Luke Weber) where he has leaked episodes, drawn rule34 fan-art, and even inserted /co/ memes onto his shows. Mr. Universe was just the realization of all the "murdercock" memes, and his OK-KO show was literally just him making his idealized waifus every episode and filling it with wish fulfillment and video game references, like I feel like vivzie goes a bit overboard, but OK-KO is solely based on superficial references. again I'm not a huge vivziepop fan, but at least she develops her characters and creates a story. It has its flaws, but at least it has momentum and isn't just a shallow "look, it's like x from anime/videogame"
No. 1863029
>>1862868Matt and Trey made a South Park episode about trans athletes that was unquestionably more in your face "transphobic" than anything JKR ever said yet nobody EVER tried cancelling them. Ever. Not a peep when that episode aired or since. The South Park fandom filled with mentally ill gendies still keeps growing while people have to look around in fear when mentioning Harry Potter in a conversation.
>>1862952I don't get it, is this supposed to be somehow "
problematic" or why are they posting it? It just looks like regular low quality fanart.
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>>1860281>>1860470This reminded me of a phenomenon (I don't know if there's a term for this). I remember seeing a statistic that showed the majority of casual adult Pokemon players were women (still plenty of men though), but the entirety of the competitive players was composed of men(whom I assume are also autistic), as they were the ones who stripped the actual fun of the game and entirely focused on autistic meta.
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>>1863127>>1863132yeah honestly I don't let men I play against know I'm a woman because I know that the moment they find that out, they'll derail the conversation and get weirdly personal/sexual with me. I don't have this much of a problem when writing in English, but in my second language, I have to talk with masculine terms (if it makes sense? I dunno how to explain it) to prevent that from happening. It's genuinely shit.
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I logged on Twitter and of course this is the first thing I see, as much as it makes me sad I knew they were going to come for the Korean butch4butch yuri OC artist at some point. I'm so sick of these parasites, she already got anon messages asking if her OCs have tit chop scars too.
No. 1863346
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>>1863249i fucking HATE troons so much its unreal that fucking smiley being so smug, praying the 41% increases
No. 1863356
>>1863346I don't blame her for apologizing, I've only been keeping track of her art recently and she's clearly ESL and just trying to placate these retarded westerners. But I hate how the moment I found her art I knew she would slip up and say something cancellable, the callout tweet also notes that being South Korean and drawing masc women is sussy because of the radfem movement over there.
>even some trans ppl have said wrongful thingsI like the implication that "trans" is a higher state and even they can make mistakes
sometimes. Transwomen have literally get away with rape in this community and get babied anyway.
>praying the 41% increasesIt's not even actually true, it's a false statistic about attempts. Sometimes I wish they did kill themselves as much as they threaten to do.
No. 1863364
>>1863358Nvm I went back and read her thread and she apologized for it. I hope she continues to be a based
terf in private though
No. 1863370
>>1863034Isn't that the show of the husband of rebecca sugar who in turn only got a show because she was friends with Pendleton Ward? He didn't get to make a show because of talent, its funny he larps as if it was some achievement. Rebecca herself only had for experience some really ugly tumblr comics, was an assistant on Adventure Time and then inmediatly jumped to showrunner lol.
These people killed western animation and the nepotism networks they build are still going strong. I don't even know how some nonnas still have hope for the shows coming out.
No. 1863377
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>>1863364I wouldn't be surprised if she was. When being asked if she supported transbians she gave a non-answer that was apparently good enough to the mob. (I like how she admits she's never met any in real life, gee, I wonder why… "transgenders" in conservative society tend to be gay transvestites.)
No. 1863384
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>>1863356This is actually delusional and I'm glad people are pointing that out. Just recently a korean woman was attacked for having short hair because it's associated with feminism. These idiots have no idea what they are saying and I'm so tired of fucking nobodies going "unfollow this person because of xy!" and then backtracking with "well, it was just for my friends!!" after it blows up. Tell your friends in private. Block her if you don't want to see her art, why is that so difficult? This is why I hate twitter. Some dumbass can say the stupidest thing and just because it gets a lot of attention out of nowhere it starts to seem legitimate and puts the person in question in an awkward position. And it's so insane how they demand apologies, why do they even pretend like it matters to them? 5 minutes later they are already back to spamming gacha screenshots
No. 1863403
>>1863396It's so telling how they blame it on lesbians when the social media posts I've seen from South Korean women practicing 6B4T are straight. Even when I was a libfem I thought it was unfair how TRAs go harder against lesbians of any political view (even TRA/libfem lesbians who give lip service to them) than straight and (non-febfem) bisexual radfems/GCs.
>>1863400Which artist? I'm not into Genshin but I'd like to support her.
No. 1863404
>>1857596The mafia stick figures were the best part, how dare you. I don't understand why people dislike them.
I liked Homestuck a lot personally. I found the first acts funny and I read them but also boring. I also liked the worldbuilding and the flashgames. The kids were interesting. I didn't care much about the trolls aside from Karkat, Terezi and Aradia. I read all of it and I thought it was nice. The latter acts were too much chaotic. I made my own OCs and tried to do a similar format.
No. 1863440
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>>1863409She's another Russian artist. Why are Russian nonnies so based
No. 1863470
>>1863249>>1863440friendly reminder that mossa cannabis, korean artist, has 300k followers, is followed by pros from the industry, and is a self confessed pedophile who draws little girls being raped and beaten
>>1668197where is the hate mob and the tons of retweet to get this freak out of twitter and into prison? oh yeah, he's male
No. 1863573
>>1863542>I remember back in 2015 nonbinary/trans were being pushed but it was still popular to make fun of it like there are only 2 genders and attack helicopter jokes even if it's corny. Now you have sites like Instagram listing neopronouns because corpos think an insane minority online is worth listening to.I saw a post from a radfem blog (don't remember which, sorry) saying that Trump getting elected made a lot of leftists more spineless and the right wing more extremist at the same time. The same liberal LGB people I knew who laughed at neopronouns and mogai stuff did a 180 and defended that stuff after Trump was elected. I remember in the early 2010s people laughed about celebrities getting clout for saying "gay rights!" was the bare minimum and virtue signaling, but now saying "trans rights" is the mark of a good person.
>I honestly believe the shift in left-leaning politics because of it is a partial reason why the gender fad happened, a lot of people felt guilt for being part of an oppressor group so they latched onto anything like being a nonbinary intersex pan lesbian DID system.More people started getting "privilege guilt" too after 2015, because even if Trump was awful he didn't cause a literal genocide like people thought he would. Mostly immigrants, non-Westerners and poorer people were negatively affected by him, so I noticed more people middle class and/or white people trying to identify out of it. I saw so many play up their mental illness or claim things like DID or chronic illness, went from being "cis" to nonbinary, "converting to Judaism" was a big trend alongside trans since Trump was anti-Semitic too, racefaking, etc. etc. The SJW snowflake shit I got away with making fun of in 2011-2013 became untouchable then.
No. 1863637
>>1863584>It really is only a matter of time before leftists aren't allowed to criticize pedos and zoos openly eitherThis is already true to an extent, except they aren’t being defended for being pedos/zoos but instead being shielded from criticism/ignored entirely if they happen to say the right things and have the correct identity, so many troons got away with having rape accusations against them or being nonces (Eli Erlick, Cherno Biko, the multiple trannies behind the multiple
terf tracking applications, Alok Vaid-Menon). Also, lying about trans and drag bills and what they’re actually about, misleading tons of people who are retarded enough to not look into what they’re actually supporting, or scared to look because they don’t want to be deemed “bigoted”.
No. 1863655
>>1863637Remember how the entire french left signed a petition to remove all age of consent laws in defense of a pederast who raped a little boy.
We are talking Sartre, Beauvoir, Foucault, etc. Everyone who is influential for the current wave of intersectional leftists is there
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age_of_consent_laws No. 1863693
>>1862736It is a real eye-opener to how much power men hold over the entertainment industry. Male show creators can be horrifyingly
abusive sex pests with a body count of 200 teenagers and when the truth surfaces after 20 years of being an open industry secret people squirm and cope about how he's actually a nice guy, you can separate the art from the artist, maybe the
victims are just fame seekers, he was just joking etc. And this is because the moid being called out is most likely in charge of something they love and cherish and want to see becoming a success, making him stand for his crimes would irreversibly taint his work as well.
Women don't have that kind of social capital, people will obsessively freeze frame hazbin stills to look for things to get mad at (like the current bullshit about muh voodoo symbols) and rain hellfire on her. They don't have the safety net of equally degenerate producers and managers that men do that can always come to their rescue, so they're easy to drop like a worthless brick if they become a liability. Besides female socialization that's also why women tend to react more strongly than male creators, they know they have their entire career at stake and they need to protect it to their best abilities. It doesn't matter what kind of an audience you have cultivated, you can be a leftist, centrist, right wing, whatever kind of female influencer you are, you'll be met with the same fate. Women like JKR who have enough fuck you money to do whatever while sitting on a billion dollar property are extremely rare compared to their moid counterparts and even she had to spend half of her career hiding her gender.
No. 1863712
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>>1863705same, her detractors are fucking unhinged and will praise goseworx then do an 180 and shit on vivzie for doing the same things
No. 1863752
>>1863705I remember thinking Vivziepop must've been a piece of work considering how much she's shat on on here and how much she angers gendies, but when I read her supposed "milk" I realized she's just kinda there in terms of cow potential and that I respect her as a creator even if her stuff is literally Emo Scene Queen DeviantArt: The Musical. I appreciate that she's a woman bringing something different and unique to the stagnating world of adult animation and that she's so shameless about what she likes. As much as I can barely watch her crap I envy those who enjoy it because they finally have a western cartoon that returns to unapologetic edge and sincerity instead of layers upon layers of irony. Also it manages to be sincere without trying hard to be heckin wholesome like so many other modern cartoons.
Btw, I still have no idea why she causes mass gendie rage but it's the absolute funniest thing to come out of everything related to her. Her shows' bad jokes are nothing compared to finding a garbage redesign of the Hazbin Hotel guys.
No. 1863762
>>1863749She's ugly and overrated trash made for coomers clown fetishes
Sage next time,tard.
No. 1863789
>>1863752Someone posted in the previous thread or in an animation related thread screenshots of her criticizing TIFs (but only TIFs) so that is why I guess. I never bothered watching any of her stuff exactly because the character designs are so awful, but I really hate the redesigns that strip away her style, just shows the person doing it has no idea what they are doing either and is there to get attention.
>>1863749Goosewhatever might be a degenerate but I agree, the rabbit is a try hard tho.
No. 1863876
>>1863867It would take a major lawsuit being won by the detransitioner in question for the tables to turn on the SRS butchers.
By then all the major players would have already fled to Israel with their millions of dollars. But it would be great if at least a few heads get chopped and public opinion to turn
No. 1863908
>>1863752She does pander to gendies so any small "wrongthink" is considered a capital sin. Her version of hell is pretty santized imo. The episode of HB where the sin demon guy lectures about clean (I think that was the word used) lust and not forced was so funny to me especially comparing to how he acted in an earlier episode. He's all about that consent while you know living in hell which has the best morals btw. You can tell she's afraid to portray hell as anything but what is deemed as "appropriate". Look at her characters too. Charlie is too afraid to use her title as "Princess of Hell" and command people because that's too "mean" and "bossy". What happened to "not taking shit from other demons" and her getting into a fight with the news anchor lady? Slighty off topic but I wish she went for a different last name for Lucifer. There's already a few Lucifer Morningstars and it bugs me because the name can be translated to Morningstar Morningstar. I know nit picky but why does no one pick a last name that could embody his pride or his want to overthrow God?
>>1863789>but I really hate the redesigns that strip away her style, just shows the person doing it has no idea what they are doing either and is there to get attentionThis. These people just want attention. I guess they figure it's an easy dopamine rush since they are just jumping on the newest trendy hate bandwagon.
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>>1863390I wouldn't be surprised if they learned about twanzwimmen and the first thing they think is "These moid are trying to mock our problems and our identity for their gain" rather than "oh is a poor woman in the wrong body". If so, they're quite based.
No. 1864015
>>1862957i think it's either what
>>1862983 said or a fake pity thing. you know how those tweets sometimes pop up where someone is whining about there not being enough of [x] content (yuri, adults in anime, etc.)? if they were Actual fans of that shit they'd know it exists in spades, but because they're just clout chasers they pretend to care about it for likes
No. 1864070
>>1864003For some reason Americans have an idealized/sanitized version of KR radical that is completely different than the
TERF stuff they hate on all the time. If they actually saw what KR radfems were posting they'd be calling them out for bioessentialism and transmisogyny or whatever. Of course trans ideology isn't the focal point of their movement because barely any exist and they have more incels to worry about but I highly doubt they'd support TIMs and many of them don't (they got a TIM kicked out from a women's university). There were a bunch of radfems on Megalia fantasizing about killing moids, I don't think any would get a pass just because he "feels like a woman". I hope the KR feminists that are unfamiliar with tranny shit don't fall for it, they can already take USA/Canada/UK/etc. as an example of the damage its done for women.
No. 1864071
>>1863908I didn't say she doesn't pander to gendies. I'd say she panders to herself and her taste is shared with gendies.
What I mean is that her work is still edgy and adult without sacrificing sincerity and pride. It's not a soft safe space where everything is treated with kids' gloves but it isn't a cynical, grim cartoon for adults either.
Now, I still can't stomach her cartoons, but I respect anyone who in this day and age can make something edgy that's not cynical or drenched in gender.
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>>1859590extremely late reply but I decided to check the artist out and kek why are Russki fujo so based? They’re always anti-troon and have top tier art. I thought homosexuality was illegal in putinland???
No. 1864210
>>1863693>They don't have the safety net of equally degenerate producers and managers that men do that can always come to their rescue, so they're easy to drop like a worthless brick if they become a liability. You summarized the problem so eloquently, I couldn't have said it better. Male creators feel empowered to unabashedly flaunt the most degenerate fetishes and say or do anything without fear of repercussion because they can always count on the solidarity of their fellow pornbrained male creators to support them and cover up their tracks. On the other hand, female creators are always walking on eggshells not just due to their precarious position in male-dominated, male-controlled industries, but because they know they face intense scrutiny from other female creators and fans. They cannot count on other women to come to their recuse or cover their tracks in the same way influential men have an unspoken agreement to always cover each others' track.
The lack of female solidarity isn't because women are inherently bitchy animals preprogrammed to turn against each other, nor is it because men are inherently more altruistic and predisposed to look out for their fellow moid. Men tacitly understand that they benefit from a system that forgives male degeneracy and sexual crimes, so they always turn a blind eye to their fellow moid because they know that this system is essential for reinforcing woman's position as a subservient second class. This system rewards women for putting down other women, defending or upholding men, centering male approval as a source of identity (the origin of all pickme and NLOG behavior) so women cannot form their own female-centric collective safety net to protect themselves against men and uplift their own interests.
We see this playing out when women tear into so-called
problematic female figures with an intensity and fury never reserved for male wrongdoers. Case in point: Vivzie on this site. You don't have to like her works or approve of her but it's absolutely undeniable that her behavior and output are measured against impossible standards that male creators never face.
No. 1864228
>>1864210What i dont get is whats ''bad'' vs ''good'' degeneracy to these women. You will never see them attack women who draw female abuse like BDSM or those corny
toxic bf novels. In fact, there is a whole VN where the ugly moids torture you and the author gets nothing but praise for it. But Vivzie drawing her gaybois? nah man thats going too far, crucify all fetishistic fujos. Oh and also dont you dare draw an agegap realationship where the female character is older, because then the male characters turns in a babygirl cinnamonroll uwu even if he's an adult.
No. 1864270
>>1864228It's really easy when you think about it from the lens of "In the big picture, what benefits men? What can men coom to?"
Female abuse under the guise of BDSM, DDLG, generic maldeom garbage, romanticized older man younger woman age gap relationship and mommydom older woman uwu babygirl infantilized younger man relationships are all a-okay approved pornsickness because all of that drivel benefits men and men's ability to coom. BDSM and maledom shit normalizes male abuse in the mainstream while age gap is a stealthy way to get young women to brainwash women into thinking post-wall moids are desirable. The reverse mommydom dynamic is the woke way into psyoping liberal women into being mommy bangmaids for their boyfriends who refuse to grow up. Most of all, all of that content still reinforces the idea that women are most fulfilled by being desirable to men which is why so much heterosexual romance content is so rapey but you'll never see the fandom police approach it with the same scrutiny they give to fujoshit.
Fujoshit is automatic heresy because moids and pickmes cannot fathom the idea of women having sexuality that doesn't revolve around women being desirable to men. Vivzie drawing her donut steel sparkledog OCs and indulging her edgy gayboi fantasies is already a sin because she dared to satisfy her own desires instead of pandering to moid-approved desires.
Fujos liking dark shit? Men will never admit it, but they resent the mere idea that women are deriving enjoyment from the idea of men on the receiving end of male violence, men getting brutalized and raped by other men. In other words, it's fine when men get off to women getting raped - both irl and in fiction - but men cannot handle even the idea of women pulling the uno reverso card. Women expressing these desires fundamentally makes them uncomfortable because it forces them to confront the fact that they derive pleasure at the expense of other people, most often women. But they cannot admit this out loud, which is why they benefit from the system I described in
>>1864210 Women aren't taught to protect fellow women and their interests in the same way men collectively shield their own men and self-serving systems. Men can count on women to squash other women who dare to express themselves in a way that does not uphold men's pleasure.
No. 1864307
>>1864296It's the fucking reason why so many tifs think they can become men.
>>1864306mpeg in slash fiction goes back to the 80's though.
No. 1864362
>>1864210The system rewarding women for tearing down each other is the core problem we face in a lot of these discussions. You call a female creator out, you will be given a personal army and see her face punishment. You call a male creator out, you'll be attacked, sent rape threats to, people won't believe you and even if they did he would get a light slap on the wrist at best. We've all seen it happen and we've been conditioned to live by it. It's only the past few years that people have started realizing it and deprogramming yourself and the people around you doesn't happen overnight.
>>1864270>Most of all, all of that content still reinforces the idea that women are most fulfilled by being desirable to men which is why so much heterosexual romance content is so rapey but you'll never see the fandom police approach it with the same scrutiny they give to fujoshit. This is what never ceases to borderline blackpill me. Sharing a fandom with pickmes who unironically objectify themselves and see it as a neutral ground is so fucking bleak I want to scream, they see drawing two boys kissing as a controversial action but allowing men to coom with no restrictions is the norm because everything revolves around evaluating what's acceptable for men. Everything has to pass through a male lens and meet their standards, men set the rules simply because they're the gender who will chimp the fuck out and ruin your life if they don't get their way. The amount of times I've had a pickme, without an ounce of irony, tell me that being openly critical of pornified moidgaze female characters is """lesbo/biphobic""" and/or """misogynistic""" is astronomical. They don't believe it themselves, they know it's bullshit, they know they're only doing it as a defense mechanism to prevent learning wrongthink so that they can cope in this world where you have to adhere to male tastes or live a life of misery. They know it's exhausting to be battered with objectification everywhere they go so the best thing they can do is to brainwash themselves into accepting it. What they consider "empowering" is nothing more than a false sense of safety brought upon by submission. You feel "strong" because as long as you conform you don't have to fear your oppressor's punishment.
No. 1864365
>>1864349Doesn’t America have the most multilingual speakers of any county? There are more English/Spanish bilingual speakers in the US then in all Latam countries combined.
> Burgerfags also have the added idiotic reason that learning another language is "cultural appropriation" if you don't prove roots from that countryThis isn’t a thing, you have never in your life heard anyone say anything like that, you’re retarded
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>>1864365I wish I had better caps at hand but there were both trolls and unironic posts on tumblr talking about how white people learning other languages is cultural appropriation.
This one is a famous troll post that sparked a huge thread, for example:
https://www.tumblr.com/newsstrider/637398858640605184/why-do-so-many-white-people-speak-non-whiteTrolls always take advantage of Poe's Law on tumblr so a lot of times people can't differentiate between blatant trolling and an unironic rage post racebaiting, as they're both absurd and inane.
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I feel like everyone here has forgotten a basic fact that most people figured out since 2020, you can only be canceled by your own audience. The fact of the matter is, if you paint yourself as progressive, you will eventually get canceled for never meeting those immense ideals. The only men who get canceled are the types of men who portray themselves as progressive from the start(look at Joss Whedon). All you have to do is make your intentions clear, and you will not be affected. Look at Britney Venti, for example, she's never going to be canceled because she's already open about who she is. This is not to say that canceling doesn't happen on the right; look at iDubbbz, he got cancelled by his own audience for going against the values the audience he built up, expected of him.
No. 1864414
>>1864394It usually takes people anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to reach b1 in foreign languages. Everyone is different though, and some people might struggle with certain languages or with foreign language in general.
Fluency is a very abstract concept because there a different ways to gauge fluency level, but typically if someone is at b1 they would generally be considered fluent, since reaching b1 means the speaker is proficient.
No. 1864425
>>1864417People who whine and moan about "lefties" being quick to jump the gun and cancel people but praise right wingers for being so "chill" have such confirmation bias it makes your head spin. Right wingers will cancel a woman for lying about being a virgin or hiding having a boyfriend. Right wingers cancelled idubbbz because he was "a cuck" for not giving a shit about his girlfriend's onlyfans. Right wingers attack creators
all the time for saying something they don't agree with, boycott any brand that voices any support for basic human rights (because it's "wokeist propaganda") and accuse everyone of being the SJW boogeyman breaching on muh free speech and oppressing "traditional values", the "conservative" creator I followed as a guilty pleasure got attacked for believing a female sexual assault
victim's story because that's
cuckery guys. They have so much infighting and their own aggressive cancel culture that gets ignored just because it's not as memed on even though they usually have straight out neo nazis and stormfront lunatics threatening your life.
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>>1864417>>1864425I mean, it depends on the 'right-wing' group we're talking about. Ben Shapiro is Jewish and has a working professional wife. He supports immigration in the West, and his sister married an Arab Jew. Even one of these things would get him booted from real far-right groups. However, in most mainstream right-wing parties, this is acceptable, and he has a thriving career. It's one of the reasons I don't understand why he is called alt-right because, by definition, he isn't. He is the Right. Venti and Sh0e made the the bullshit choices of pandering to wierdos. Interestingly Sh0e has shifted to a breadtube-adjacent audience by claiming she's actually bi and armoured skeptic is trying and failing to do the same.
No. 1864463
>>1864429Ben Shapiro would absolutely be cancelled by his own if he came out defending a sexual assault
victim (unless the perpetrator was non-white of course) or speaking for gay rights for example. You really can't judge right wing influencers by left wing metrics, once you start looking at how easily they go from 0 to 100 over someone disagreeing with them or saying something that's considered controversial in their circles such as "women are paid less than men" you'll realize how thin skinned they really are. They talk big shit about lefties being obsessed with cancel culture but would literally burn books to get rid of wrongthink.
No. 1864507
>>1864433I agree aswell I started watching his podcast after a
nonnie linked it here alot of his talking points against troons are very lc centered and its's very admirable how antiporn and anti lolicon he is
also more based since a rapist tyranny is trying to take kiwi down yet he didnt back down he maybe a 4channer moid but atleast he's true to the reality of the world
No. 1864511
>>1864500>I know it hurts our radfem sensibilities sometimes, what with majority of women being pickmes and refusing to even acknowledge misogyny exists, but female solidarity has to be built from the ground up and we'll have to start somewhere.This is why I want to be as understanding as possible with female creators too. I'm willing to give even the vilest pickmes a chance because I know they've been conditioned to be the way they are, of course that doesn't mean you have to be a doormat and turn the other cheek but it's pointless to pretend like they haven't been rewarded for harboring internalized misogyny since birth. Some of them are genuinely bad people that deserve the scrutiny, but we all need to take a second to re-evaluate our reaction and see if we'd do the same if it was a male creator.
>>1864507Oh yeah Joshua Moon who famously was kicked off 8chan for making a board for pedophiles to post their child rape fantasies there because muh free speech and has openly stated that he's against feminism and female rights. What a based guy, I hope he sticks it to those trannies!!!11 Seriously, if this isn't bait then kiwifags need to be put down for their own good.
No. 1864520
>>1864319I don't think most people have ever read a generic omegaverse manga, it really is just an excuse for heat/pheromone/bite bs and mpreg being more than a time skip "and now kids have magically appeared" is rarer.
They're dudes with an excuse not to have lube and an excuse to have "noncon but con" because people bitch about it.
No. 1864571
>>1864398>This happened a lot during that era, trolls would just make up the most senseless things to see which ones caught on. People have gotten a little better at recognizing them these days but you still hear people saying "remember when tumblr thought it was racist to learn other languages?????" when a lot of it was started by trolls and eventually mixed in with sincere people thinking this needs to be said.As much as I hated the SJWs back on older Tumblr, the opposite side were legitimately awful at telling troll posts from legit. I used to have a friend who constantly believed the posts that "celebrating father's day is patriarchal" or "calling teeth white and straight is racist and homophobic", and thought that Anita Sarkeesian was the feminism figurehead. Just like how liberal Tumblr people believe any unsourced political post.
>>1864425In my experience the confirmation bias that conservatives are more "chill" comes from disaffected former liberals who haven't been in conservative circles for a long time. I grew up conservative and they turn on each other for a difference in opinion just as much as modern leftists do.
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Speaking of getting canceled, currently Rick Riordan is on the receiving end due to being baby murdering zionist. While he didn't comment much on it, other than condemning the Oct 7 attacks, his wife is Jewish and she made a few pro-Israel posts that got people furious. They started review bombing his new series, and just like with JK Rowling, people are re-reading his series to try to find 'problematic' stuff, like this one line about how a main character's mixed-race father who used to play various ethnic roles.
No. 1864593
>>1864500>>1864511You both say that you'll try to be more lenient with female creators but I never felt the need to specifically do that so I want to ask, out of curiosity, why you felt like you had to be harsher with women than with men. Is it because you gravitate towards fics, series, books, manga, fanart, etc. made by women to begin with most of the time so it's just bound to happen eventually? Or is it because of the whole "they're women, they should know better?" mindset I keep seeing everywhere? One of you mentioned radfems and tbh the ones I see on twitter seem like they're occasionally doing both at the same time while also having their specific
problematic favorite shows or female celebrities like Azaelia Banks or whatever and they don't talk much about male creators because they avoid them like the plague to begin with, unless these male creators are involved in recent news.
No. 1864598
>>1864500>>1864511Don’t get me wrong, some women are just unrepentant pickmes with zero chance of salvation so they deserve to be publicly ridiculed. But I’m talking about women who wholeheartedly encourage the worst of moid behavior, women who put men on a pedestal for doing the bare minimum, moms who ruin their daughters’ lives with tradwife beliefs, and tradthots who pander to the lowest common denominator male. So cows like Aellagirl or GimpGirl, and all the women in the tradthot thread.
The women who routinely pop up in the fandom-adjacent threads (Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, that one skilled Chinese artist who draws the fat cuntboy OC) are not that. If anything, their behavior mainly harms themselves, whether they’re being milky or having full on public mental breakdowns. There’s legit male pedos, rapists, groomers, criminals and whatnot who get mentioned in passing in these threads but it’s always Vivizie this fujos that. Then we have recent gems like this
>w-well it’s your fault if you pander to the progressives!!11>Null is a based radfem ally since he expressed anti-porn and anti-lolicon opinions once aka the bare minimum for decency>Right wing men are just more chillWhich exactly proves the point that even anons in this thread will go out of their way to blame women and uphold the worst men. It’s not even a matter of moidposting, since there are many women who unironically sound like them and share these beliefs.
No. 1864625
>>1864617The “if you don’t want to get canceled, don’t pander to woketards in the first place” line of thinking sounds good in theory but in reality it’s another way the double standards for male vs female creators manifest. Creators have very limited control over the audience they attract and how the fans will interpret their characters. It’s not Vivzie’s personal fault that she wanted to make an edgy adult animated comedy and her fans consist of retarded teenyboppers. That butch x butch lesbian Korean artist upthread who got canceled by gendies was just drawing what appealed to her but crazies still dug through her old tweets for ammo. Sachiko Kaneoya was just doing her thing drawing boys in military uniforms and Tumblrtards accused her of being a Nazi. JKR never pandered to the wokes and people still accused her of betraying them when she unabashedly expressed
TERF views. Women can just be indulging their personal desires and people will still find a way to cancel them, which is why the “it’s your fault for creating content that the woke crowd happens to also like” is a very restrictive way to approach the situation. It’s just another way to punish women who step out of line.
Besides, once the Israel-Palestine conflict comes out of vogue people will continue to support Rick Riordan. Even if he panders to the wokies, he will never get rape or death threats at the same intensity directed to JKR. Orson Scott Card reached the peak of his popularity in a time when the boundary between creator and fan was more strictly defined, so that plus his status as a male makes him immune to the current political climate, not him being forthright about his political views.
No. 1864682
>>1864660Maybe it's just me, but the truth is I don't mind seeing futa art as long as the futa in question still retains realistic and not hypersexualized proportions, that is, a completely normal woman but with a dick. Some w/w artists I follow usually post a normal w/w version and then a futa version. I only like the normal version and ignore the futa version, which is generally the one that ends up having the most interactions. I think that maybe some artists are completely aware of this and that's why they draw futa art in the first place, to gain more exposure.
And then of course there are the artists who only draw futa with massive tits and horse dicks.
No. 1864694
>>1864682I'm not bisexual or into dick so I don't like futa, but it's telling it went from being a niche over a decade to being everywhere. I don't mind if artists make alternate versions either (that's the smartest thing to do IMO if you draw for money), but I'm talking about making lip service for "transgirls"/TIMs and making OCs like that, calling it "WLW/lesbian content" etc., not just drawing a certain fetish sometimes. I used to be friends with a popular artist who was also friends with a popular lesbian artist who was sent messages begging her to draw "trans-inclusive WLW" content, and she ended up having to because she makes income off it. She wouldn't have otherwise.
>>1864691>but i used to run in NSFW circles in the early 10s and i remember a bunch of futafag male artists got cancelled by trannies for drawing futas. Now the same trannies that used to cancel futa artists for ''sexualizing transwomen''I remember that too. I followed one artist with a separate SFW and NSFW presence, I only followed the SFW one but I later saw a callout linking to the NSFW identity for drawing futa a lot and that was "fetishizing transwomen". But now I see artists nowadays say they "found their identity through futa" and treat female artists who only draw "AFABs" as suspicious, even though "cis" male artists who did draw it were.
No. 1864726
>>1864598It's also worth mentioning that null's "anti-porn" stance is the same as for any other misogynist man, because they feel it's "for loser men who can't get any real pussy", not because of its exploitation of women. Meanwhile people ITT are doing mental cartwheels about how Vivzie's leaked DM of her calling some retarded FTM a transtrender doesn't count because it wasn't a TIM.
>>1864625Exactly. I don't think Toby Fox ever predicted the kind of fandom Undertale would have for example, nor did Scott Cawthon think Five nights at freddy's would be the favourite of mentally ill gendies. Vivziepop never really even "pandered to wokies" in the first place, her shows are filled with swear words, sexualized situations, violence and other edgy content which one would think they would find
problematic. Which they do, and that's why they're constantly trying to rip on her. Even the infamous tranny character came in way past her being cancelled for the umpteenth time.
No. 1864738
>>1864733Do you have more info about him making that board as an 8chan mod? I believe it but I somehow never heard of this.
>>1864726He's against Onlyfans for the same conservative reasons, he's said more shit against the "whores" that have OF than the men who subscribe to them.
No. 1864740
>>1864736kek does anyone remember puppygrll? she got called out for fetishizing trannies for having a troon OC. Trannies are such an insane fuckinf community that i have no idea why so many artists still listen to them. If you draw trannies you are fetishizing them, if you dont then you are a twansphobe
terf!! what the fuck do they want
No. 1864753
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>>1864752they are fucking insane
>cries about vivzie pop drawing some cringe furry porn>while using an edgelord page that uses slurs every two sentneces and even made fun of a new born baby as sourcehow can they be so hypocritical?
No. 1864761
>>1864694>and treat female artists who only draw "AFABs" as suspicious, even though "cis" male artists who did draw it were.I don't even have a social media presence but in some of the old friend groups I was in there were seriously people trying to subtly or directly pressure me or change my mind somehow kek. Like I met some seriously delusional people that made a habit of sending me porn they knew I wasn't into to change my mind or "reframe" and "reexamine", or actively attempting to get me into it. And it wasn't just one or two people, it was upwards of like ten over the course of the last 7 years or so. Again I'm not an eceleb or a big dick artist or anything I literally drew my own personal art and it somehow upset the gendies around me kek. Out of all of them only 3 or 4 of them ever admitted it directly once I confronted them.
I've found a group of like minded people now that are fine with whatever I draw and don't try to pressure me out, so there's that at least. But I don't ever think I'm going to post my porn on social media. People will literally spend years talking to you to get in your good graces and sneak into a private twitter account or a friends list, and I don't need anyone chanting "draw her with a dick!" at random fanart that I do. I'm not into femboys or bottom twink bitches, what makes you think I will ever draw a troonie when I'm not into dick, oh but I'm not allowed to say I don't want to draw dick because that's baaaaad. I have to be into tranny porn because it's just like real hetero or gay sex with a teensy tinsy extra detail, bigot!
No. 1864776
>>1864764I don't even get why it's a bad thing to say you're not into tranny porn. It's like yes the sex is different, everyone can see it, the genitals are off (or there's a tit chop), everyone understands it, but you're not allowed to say it. I want to say it's extreme virtue signaling but considering how much projecting trannies do, it usually shoots them right down to their stomach that you wouldn't fuck them or don't find them attractive enough to draw so they lash out. Everything else is a simple matter of opinion people will maybe have petty arguments over, but god forbid you touch the tranny porn. Literally murdering trans people and making them feel unwanted or something. You have to let "Alice" see "her"self in your porn or else he's gonna hold his breath until he's blue for a really long time, and it'll be your fault, I'm telling you. Tranny blood on your hands, just saying. This is a real 'discussion' I had with a tif once
>I always figured if I ever draw porn again I'm just going to make a personal site away from social media and just dump it there. I can give people who are interested a way to see it, but no comment section for anyone's unsolicited opinions. This sounds good perhaps. Maybe I'm paranoid but in my head I'd totally see people trying to find some way to contact you to beg and kneel at your feet as if they were homeless beggars for some shit or other.
No. 1864804
>>1864779They were friends I held over from the early to mid 2010s before the tranny craze happened so I was willing to entertain at least listening to them. But hey got progressively crazier and crazier and drank more koolaid until they felt comfortable enough to act crazy in front of a long-time friend I guess. I was lucky it only was like 12+ or so people that I personally knew, but I fear it probably would've been a lot more if I had gone public with my art. Troons are usually persistent but I agree with you regardless. It just kind of sucked and still sucks to me personally that it was people who I thought were my friends. I had already peaked before that but man. People will really put their friendships and boundaries on the line for this little cult.
>>1864794It just means that said person is drawing content I don't like and in my head I think they may have ulterior motives (my motives are better!) at this point. Usually always followed by said accuser doing the exact same shit but coming up with some arbitrary reason as to why they or people they like can but nobody else can
No. 1864965
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She went from "I got kicked out Hugo awards" to this. Sucks to be her.
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>>1865260>>1865253Here are some excerpts by the daughter of what her parents like and how they justified the abuse.
>I was born into a family of famous gay pagan authors in the late Sixties. My mother was Marion Zimmer Bradley, and my father was Walter Breen. Between them, they wrote over 100 books: my mother wrote science fiction and fantasy (Mists of Avalon), and my father wrote books on numismatics: he was a coin expert.>My mother molested me from ages 3-12. The first time I remember my father doing anything especially violent to me I was five. Yes he raped me. I don’t like to think about it. If you want to know about his shenanigans with little girls, and you have a very strong stomach, you can google the Breendoggle.>More profoundly, though was his disgust with my gender, despite his many relationships with women Moiraand female victims. He told me unequivocally that no man would ever want me, because all men are secretly gay and have simply not come to terms with their natural homosexuality. So I learned to act mannish and walk with very still hips.>As might be imagined, although my mother was perfectly well aware of my father’s crimes, and so was my “stepmother,” I was disbelieved almost up to the moment of his conviction, and discounted as “hysterical.” Again, much of that is in the public record: my mother’s cold indifference and my stepmother’s pretense of complete lack of responsibility is sickening in and of itself. Her words ought to suffice. She knew what he wanted to do.>My father and mother’s belief was this: since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited. Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become “who they really are.” It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.” If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish. As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as “straight culture” goes the way of the dinosaur. As my mother used to say: “Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex.” No. 1865328
>>1865260>>1865269I went to read on this story and it's absolutely horrific, and indeed an actual crime someone deservers to be "cancelled" over.
However, I'd argue the situation is much different when the artist in question is dead. Something similar happens with Micheal Jackson. While he's protected due to the fact that he's a man unlike MZB the fact that he's dead changes the conversation around his work significantly and has almost no effect on his legacy despite being a proven child molester.
From what little I could find online it's similar with MZB, people are mostly concerned with separating the art from the artist and still enjoying her books even while admitting she was a pedophile enabler and child molester herself. This simply isn't offered to cancelled artists who are still alive.
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>>1865269Here's the full story for anyone interested, I'm sure most people have never heard of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America, They’re one of the main SFF tastemakers, founded by Damon Knight in 1965. They award the Nebula Prize, which, along with the Hugo, is the premier award for Science-Fiction and Fantasy authors.
Marion Zimmer-Bradley, was central to the SFWA clique and even was on the board in the 70s. at that time MZB her work was considered instrumental in lesbian and feminist fantasy literature, she was also a founder of the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is a major LARP group. MZB’s husband was the “Grand Master” of Creative Anachronism(a space often filled with children)
her husband was the subject of a letter called “The Breendoggle” in which the Berkely SFF crowd debated what to do about his frequent "incidents". her husband was eventually arrested and convicted for this. His daughter Moira, was one of his accusers. Moira has made it clear that MZB, and her step-mother and everyone in that clqiue knew what he did and either just ignored it or actually tried to help him. It was public knowledge. It was a network of fucked up people.
here's a list of people who were involved in the scene at that time and likely knew
>Samuel Delaney - another “Grand Master”. He’s the author of Dhalgren, a shitty porno scifi novel, as well as some of the most depraved pornography literal imaginable.>Ed Kramer, SFWA alum, founder of Dragon-Con, and Nebula host, is also a convicted child abuser. He was vigorously defended in this by other notable SFWA alums. No. 1865428
>>1859670The fangirls are absolutely deranged . Never a dull moment
Love them (they scare me)
No. 1865430
>>1864965I feel like at this rate she deserves her own thread. I have no idea what you mean by the Hugo awards
How long do you think it’ll take for her fans to eat her uo
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>>1865328I agree - when the author is dead, the reigning debate is usually of reconciling the artist as a person from their legacy, not whether “cancellation” is appropriate. But I think another key distinction is that the total collapse of the boundary between creator and fan, which is responsible for the
trigger-happy nature of modern fans, is a recent development within the last two decades that didn’t exist in those creators’ heyday.
>>1865357>several other moids in the SFF scene implicated as pedos>MZB was a member of their pedo network>MZB was complicit in covering up her husband’s crimesGeez, why am I not surprised? I notice that oftentimes public female figures who do harm to people (especially other women or their children) - and thus irrevocably deserve public outrage - are usually part of a “boys’ club” that makes them the worst enablers of men. Also didn’t MZB not consider herself a feminist? The NLOG “I’m just one of the boys” attitude would explain how she reconciled her pro-woman activities (writing female-centric stories) while internalizing and enabling the very worst behaviors of the men around her.
Side note, but I notice that female public figures who do things as heinous as men like child abuse are often pickmes, NLOGs or handmaidens. This makes perfect sense when you consider their thought process: NLOGs/pickmes/handmaidens believe that they are the exception to male supremacy. They’re huffing the copium, convincing themselves that men will allow them a modicum of power as long as they play by the men’s rules. The successful ones will support the men around them to preserve their own status and social capital, to the detriment of other women. This is the tradthot/tradwife raison d'être - that being pretty and subservient is enough to protect them from moids. But the NLOG copium mindset is ubiquitous all the way up to the highest echelons of society. They’re non-fandom examples, but think Ghislaine Maxwell and Amy Chua. All of this isn’t to say women aren’t capable of evil deeds of their own accord - it’s just that women who harm other women and children often do it in the context of considering their own status in a male-controlled hierarchy.
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>>1865357I'm not exaggerating when I say that these group of degenerates literally shaped fandom tastes for decades. like its hard to overstate how much influence these people have had over genre fiction and “fandom”. and they all looked out each other other, for e.g just one of Samuel Delaney infamous books(which features a prepubescent getting raped contiously) was defended by this community, any criticism against their work was branded as conservative reactionaries
>Despite the book's infamous reputation, several respected authors have given it their endorsement. Norman Mailer, for instance, said "There is no question that Hogg by Samuel R. Delany is a serious book with literary merit."[10] J. G. Ballard, prolific speculative fiction author and elder statesman of transgressive literature, also praised Delany's work, citing the medium of pornography as being the "most political form of fiction."[11]>Author Dennis Cooper said in his collection Smothered in Hugs: Essays, Interviews, Feedback, and Obituaries that "Hogg is tiresome and indulgent" and that the "pace is molasses-slow". However, he also goes on to say that "the book is a highly charged object…[and] that's reason enough to recommend it." In the preface to a later edition of "Smothered in Hugs," Cooper writes, "I now think Samuel Delany's "Hogg" is a great novel, and I don't know why I didn't realize that upon first reading."[12]>Jeffrey A. Tucker, associate professor of English at the University of Rochester, comments in his critical study A sense of wonder: Samuel R. Delany, race, identity and difference that Hogg "gave expression to the author's hostility toward a heterosexist society, an anger that had no socially constructive outlet prior to the modern Gay Rights movementShit like this is why I have some sympathy with pizzagate types, cause if shit like this gets published and by praised by literarily world, then it's not an unrealistic conclusion to think that the world is a run by satanic pedophiles.
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>>1865518>look him uphe looks exactly the type of man who molests children.
No. 1865551
>>1865469I see, it seems like she was content to hang out with feminist circles even if she expressed disdain for the prevailing feminist thought of her time.
>While there were feminist books, there were also weird sci-fi and fantasy books that catered to pedophilia.Why am I not surprised that an “alternative” org that doesn’t restrict weirdos also attracts degenerate males? The “we must be inclusive of all people different from the mainstream” mindset that you see in a lot of fandom (particularly SFF and furry fandom) is a breeding ground for degenerate men. The pro side of the pro/anti discourse also adheres to the “we must irrevocably accept all weirdos” mindset which is why you see modern-day NAMBLA advocates grouped with women who like edgy fanfic. Alas, women have nothing to gain from sharing spaces or allying themselves with these kinds of men.
No. 1865598
>>1865555>allegations of “grooming” turns out to be her oversharing and sending cringy inappropriate messages in a group chat with fans>immediately canceled, accused of being racist, a predator, the whole shebangYeah, she’s a cow for getting too up close and personal with her fans but this sounds more like her being a cow and having zero personal and professional boundaries, not peck behavior.
>>1865570>As a result, they formed their own network where they supported each other, to get their questionable content published.Classic scrote behaivor, creating professional networks to support each other so they can propagate their coom material.
No. 1865616
>>1864591Play with fire, get burnt. Good thing you pandered to all those troons, eh, Rick? All those loyal xe/theys calling you a Zionist Nazi sure appreciate your efforts to include flags of all genders in your work.
>>1864625>>1864633They won't go away, they're like beggars who ask for change for the bus please please some change please a penny for the bus pleaseeeeeee. The best thing to do is not interact with anyone at all. The more terminally retarded gendies pretend to be normal to weasel their way into friendship, or at least a private chat, and start their deranged begging and whinging when they know they have your attention. Posting on a schedule with all means of communication blocked is the only way a woman can make art without being dogpiled for not drawing two-dicked purple elf trannies with alopecia and club feet.
No. 1865727
>>1864591Unfortunately it isn't big enough or gaining traction
What a shame I really wanted to see the wokies going "uhm acktually he was always a shit writer and overhyped"
No. 1865751
>>1865643I kinda went throught it with JKR, not that I think she's a bad writer, I just hated the people who acted as if she was objectively the best writer ever just because they loved HP and never read anything else. One time I made an offhand comment about HP, in my mind I was just mokcing a classmate for having infantile taste, but the people around me took it as a diss towards JKR for being a political pariah evil
terf, teaches me to not be mean to classmates.
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>>1864598Idk if anons who praise conservatards are legitimately stupid and will trust a moid for being anti-tranny or if it’s something more sinister. Saw an anon praise Nick Fuentes as a champion of women’s rights the other day
No. 1865777
>>1865769>Nick Fuentes as a champion of women’s rights the other dayKEK WHAT that's so embarrassing.
>>1865773Can someone please explain the catboy thing. I heard that he went on a date with one? or am I remembering it wrong…
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Has there ever been a character like Toji where the men clearly want to be him (compression shirts became popular because of him, saw a few guys wearing pants similar to the one he wears at the gym) while the women just lust over them or vice versa.
Also what about characters that definitely influenced trends one way or the other (again like Toji). I know that the egirl trend was highly influenced by anime and to some degree tumblr art
No. 1865812
>>1865805I'd say DMC3 Dante had that effect but honestly i don't know how much moids were into him because i was too young and sheltered.
Speaking of physical goals, it's not like i started seeing shirtless guys more often but the fact that there seemed to be a decent size of moids cosplaying a character that looks like him, i guess it set some goal, even if i don't think that back then they would put as much effort as attention starving moids nowdays.
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>>1865805He is hot but he was always dressed like a slob imo kek. Maybe that’s why moids want to look like him so much. Not that I’m complaining. I like a confident man in a sweatsuit and slides.
No. 1865822
>>1865616>The only surefire way for a female artist to draw whatever she pleases without external pressure is to cut off all forms of communication and effectively be silent.If this isn’t a blackpill, then idk what is. You can’t draw GNC women or lesbians lest you incur the wrath of troons who will demand you to draw futa and mastectomy scars. You can’t draw fujoshit or else invite the scrutiny of Aydens and puriteens. You can’t unapologetically draw hot/cute boys without offending some Ayden or pickme. It’s no coincidence that the subject free from mass scrutiny is drawing moid gaze coomshit.
On top of that, historically speaking fandom is an inherently social activity. Humans are social creatures, so the social aspect is one of the most rewarding and fulfilling parts…or at least it used to be. The fact that women must relinquish the social aspect to protect themselves shows how female unfriendly fandom has become. Some people don’t mind posting their content silently, but gone are the days when you could casually interact with other users on social networks and not think twice about the interaction.
No. 1865828
>>1865816>>1865817I didn't watch JJK, i can like any kind of 2d moid but there is something in him that makes him the most attractive to me on a surface level kek.
I was always confused by his clothing choice but honestly i think it fits him? I don't know him and i guess that the series is set in modern times, but i think he looks better in whatever his fit is than anything else, my only complaint is that even the colors are plain.
Did it really take 30+ years of anime and shonen for weeb moids to finally be autistic about their bodies and go to the gym
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>>1865830ayrt, sorry for tojifags in advance, i see what you mean and he is quite unconventional especially when you compare him to the other characters, even just in term of clothes, but he makes me a bit nostalgic because sometimes his face looks like picrel kek, sorry for derailing with something this retarded
No. 1865990
>>1865833Outside of his physique, men like him because he's strong in the show.
>>1865805For some reason JJK struck a gold mine when it comes to having characters that men like and women find attractive. For Gojo, I've even seen straight men go insane over him kek. What did they put in this show? Crack?
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>>1864591A bit related and I posted this before, regardless of how you feel about either Riordan and JK Rowling, there's this trend in YA literature to recreate their successes with more diverse characters/setting., 'Harry Potter/Percy Jackson but' books - PJ but based on Indian mythology, HP but set in a Korean boarding school, PJ but based on African American mythology e.t.c. They all get hyped on BookTok. The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one. They never understand what made Harry Potter and Percy Jackson good in the first place. They only take surface-level tropes and try to apply them to their
POC and/or queer characters, and they think they deserve an equal amount of fame, both Harry Potter and Percy Jackson didn't come from this mindset. The genres JK Rowling was most familiar with were mysteries and thrillers, same with Rick Riordan. When his dyslexic son showed interest in Greek mythology, he wrote a book for him by doing her own research on greek mythology and also trying to make it fun for his other children.
No. 1866081
>>1865830Moids don’t care about his face lol, they just want the same body as him
The toki fangirls on the other hand, what’s your explanation
No. 1866083
>>1866006Is it actually different??
>>1865990 yeah exactly, i need an autistic breakdown of why that is. I guess art style is one step but it’s not an entirely original art atyle
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>>1865817That second outfit (the one on the right) is so lame, too basic.
The first outfit with the wide pants is more interesting
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>>1865821>>1865828I think the closest might be Beserk and Vegabond
No. 1866099
>>1866081yeah thats exactly my point
>>1865835 men would never try to become link or enstar/genshin/ouran pretty boys characters because thats ''gay''. A ugly buff angry man with weird face is something they can ''achieve'' without it threatening their insecurities. All shonen protagonist are just moid power fantasies, i dont know why anons are acting surprised moids want to be some roidpig looking guy lol.
No. 1866144
>>1866137I wonder how many more original works we would have had without tumblr
Seriously the effect of tumblr is staggering at times
No. 1866189
>>1866181Doesn’t matter if someone is hellbent on hating you they’ll find a way to smear you.
Just don’t grovel and beg for forgiveness, that never works.
At least that’s what I learned from my time here.
No. 1866191
>>1866181After you've whipped yourself live on camera in penance for your shipping sins and washed the wounds in salt, you send your life savings to trans charities and put your full name, address and face online so the retards you associate with have an easier time doxing you if they don't like the 2,000 page apology you're obviously going to post. Thought crimes are srs bsns.
If that sounds like a pain, you could always make a totally new account with no links to anything you've done before, a brand new name, a password you've never used, don't post anywhere you used to, don't use the same art style, start fresh.
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>>1866099By anime standards he’s not ugly. He has a smooth face, perfectly placed scar,
Compared to say the menin JJBA or say Askeladd from Vinland saga or Luffy from One Piece
The only moid appealing thing is his body.
Kind if reminds me if kpoopie/korean webtoon men and usually that’s how a lot of his fanart from fangirls looks like
Should also mention Maki has a similar effect to Toji but on women
Honestly the fandom is unhinged
(integrate) No. 1866220
>>1866154No idea. I have an edgy, "
problematic" past myself as well from way, way back when I was a imageboard-grown NLOG teen but seeing how people will literally dig for tweets from over 10 years ago it doesn't matter that I've been a normal, drama-free person for basically a decade and was actually shocked to look back on my old posts and see what kind of ignorant drivel I had been saying all those years ago and how much I bullied people just to feel better about myself and to impress my friends like the pathetic kid I was. I also used every imaginable slur in the book because didn't really consider their weight and just thought they were "funny", but try explaining that to people who have a personal vendetta and finally found a way to get rid of your ass for good, like
>>1866189 said. Some people will always have it out for you and you sort of have to accept it, just look at the obsessive nitpicking people do in /snow/.
I feel the more "successful" influencer apologies consist of being open and honest about it and saying that they've since become a better person and people will usually forgive you, especially in this era where everyone has been cancelled at least once and it's been done to death. Nobody really cares anymore unless you've done something exceptionally bad and it's fairly recent (i.e. less than 5 years ago) because
everyone is in fear of their past misdeeds coming to the surface. There's not a single person who doesn't have a few skeletons in the closet and at least one person who knows about it.
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>>1866154>>1866191>don't use the same art styleTo add onto what this anon’s saying here, it may be of benefit to you to look over your old art, if you have access to it. Figure out what makes it distinctive, the small stylistic choices you made. This is important if you don’t want to accidentally draw something too similarly to how you used to draw it. If your old art has your handwriting too, try and change that as well, or avoid it entirely. Depending on how long it’s been, your art and penmanship may already be quite different than what they used to be. Learn from the mistakes of artcows like Puppychan and DestinytoMoon who tried and failed at rebranding due to their art being much too similar to their older works. I’m not saying this will be foolproof but it’s worth an attempt, especially if you don’t particularly like your old style anyways.
No. 1866263
>>1864659That's because their audiences might be progressive but not radical or extreme. They're mostly center leaning left. And also males in fandoms usually care about things like Halo, Star Wars, Warhammer, Overwatch and they can also be quite autistic about them, also starting drama but different kind.
I think I figured it out actually. The reason the gooseshit's and viz's fandoms are so bad is because theyre full of people who are very autistic about their interests. And by autistic I don't mean actual autism, but just borderline obsessed with those things. The people who watch those male YouTubers aren't probably living and breathing that YouTuber. They have a life.
No. 1866314
>>1866212He’s a gambler, dresses like a slob, eats like a slob, sold his own kid off for money, dead beat dad…dude is like the epitome of moid behavior. So of course he’s popular because he’s self-insertable with men.
>>1866190This is true but I enjoy it. I enjoy the eye candy, even if they characters are irredeemable trash kek
No. 1866402
>>1866212I don't watch jjk but it frightens me how many yume fics I've seen about this guy along those exact same things you just described. The only other character I've seen have this effect is Dabi from hero academia, I blame that one on why zoomer girls are having a fetish for
abusive boyfriends.
No. 1866412
>>1866402nah, if anything's to blame for that it's all the 'spicy' books that the booktubers/tokkers fawn over. Somehow grungy deadbeat toji still comes out ahead of a lot of the bookboyfriends (likely because they're outright
abusive)
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>>1866402"Incel headcanon/AUs" have been weird niche fetish for certain pro-shippers, it's this bizarre form of woobification, but where they also want a character to still be an smelly asocial loser who's kind of pathetic, yet still dangerous.
>>1866412But those features mafia dons and CEOs, not fucking Incels. The first truly significant wave of Incel-headcons definitely started with Lacryboy's riddler, as well as the general ridder/paul dano popularity after the batman
No. 1866431
>>1866402Was he an
abusive bf? Dad sure, but I thought he was the type who hated everybody but loved his wife, only she's dead.
No. 1866432
>>1866402>I blame that one on why zoomer girls are having a fetish for abusive boyfriends.bad boys are as old as time nona, it's not really a zoomer thing. and it's just a general result of femsoc – an extension of the
boys only bully girls because they have crushes on them comment (and similar such comments)
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The thing is, you can use Incel headcanon as a versatile tool for a number of scenarios. of course, there's a woobification factor, where you've reduced a character to his most absolute pathetic state. Secondly, in whatever scenario you choose, you can have him be a misogynist who hates women so much that he starts having sex with men as a coping mechanism, either as a top or bottom. Additionally, you can have him go after women, and in both roles, he can be violent and unhinged or pathetic and have him easily crumble if someone starts fighting back. I'm not justifying it, but I understand why it's a thing
No. 1866449
>>1866431I don't remember him doing much harm to his family/wives (can't remember if his son's mother was married to him or not) that wasn't being negligent/a deadbeat. Still shit, but the bar is on the floor for badboy types, and I think his messy family situation is part of the draw (instant drama/angst), aside from people just finding him hot.
What gets me is how big his fanbase is for what is essentially a bit character with a vague (if complicated) history, you'd think he was in the show/manga as much as Gojo kek
>>1866438this doesn't account for everyone, but I think for some that escalation remains exciting/enticing because they live a very safe life/haven't had to encounter anything similar in reality. Which is obviously a good thing, but idk, it can make awful situations as fantastical as dragons to some people. Plus there's also the usual escalation of nicer badboys who treat you right just not cutting it anymore, until eventually he has to never have heard of a boundary before and isn't about to learn, wants to keep you in a locked room, and plans to cannibalise you or something.
No. 1866452
>>1866190The manga isn't that bad, I feel like much of the hate is unwarranted. People see the fights and assume that there's no substance, I am not trying to suggest that it's the "deepest manga in the world" by any means, but it's not just a slap fight with no thoughts manga. I would read it and see if you like it or not. At first, I thought it would be a generic manga that goes through a million arcs with no stakes, but it surprised me a fair bit.
>>1866431No, he loved his wife.
She just died and her death made him give away his son.>>1866434I hate how they insist on representing Paul Dano like some anime boy, as if he's not a balding, fat 40-year-old man.
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>>1866097>I really do not get representation media and this overpowering need to be represented.it's
really nice to see characters that resemble you, that's it. maybe you're represented everywhere already (white perhaps?) so you don't care, but yes it matters to some people. like i'm black and i absolutely adored picrel because she's……really one of the only black female characters i can think of who takes on a similar role…she's a cool, kind of scheming political diplomat who doesn't also have to give a
loooong speech on how tough it is to a Black Woman in a White Man's society, she just exists. feels like the writers weren't so concerned with making her black, she's just a character. that happens to be black
not sure if this makes sense kek, but ironically representation media makes me feel less represented. i don't want to say witty twitter lines i want to just exist
No. 1866465
>>1866460>what's got people hating it?GAYGAY FAGutami can't write for shit. Killing off everyone just for the hell of it. There is no impact to the deaths if
everyone dies
No. 1866477
>>1866463>I genuinely don't understand why is that a thingi see. would you be happy if all female characters in media were either princess peach or jessica rabbit? would you like them, or enjoy them? probably not, yeah?
that's kind of how representation works, someone looking like (you) makes you like them more, or at least forms some passive baseline of connection that draws you in. if (you) specifically do not feel that way then cool! but it's literally baked into human dna to trust and gravitate towards "your people". also see
>>1866466.
>>1866468>which leads to caring more about what boxes new media checks and not the quality.this is true and it's a good thing that basically nothing these types pretend to care for gets off of the ground…this was discussed earlier in the thread so i won't get into it now
No. 1866479
>>1866465kek thank you nona
>>1866469I haven't had a problem with any of the deaths exactly either, more so the general pacing and I feel like this final arc is really suffering from the author not including more school shit ('this is how magic works' type stuff) or worldbuilding earlier so there's a lot of exposition dumps that could have been avoided/had better foundations, making some fights smoother. I always knew it would end messy though, especially concerning the main villain/s, and because the author was always insistent on jjk not being a long-running shounen
No. 1866496
>>1866456AYRT, and I get what you mean. It's hard to come off over text but I didn't mean it in a dismissive way, more in a way that it's a feeling I don't have and therefore can't understand, despite being a minority in several aspects. Thank you for explaining it to me, genuinely actually. I've always chalked it up to me registering as a zero in my head, like I'm an omnipotent ghost entity watching things in the third person watching a scene unfold in a detached sense of self, so maybe this 'need' never blossomed in me even as a child. Or maybe it's because I've always wanted dolls that looked different than me out of possible self hatred, I'm not american and perhaps already feel represented ethnically just by living in my country, etc etc.
But regardless, based taste in character. As someone who's 3 years sober off of league of legends now I didn't expect riot of all companies to handle a black female character correctly, but let's see if they can live up to the insane hype of season 2. I hope they set an example on how to make a character that is cool and just happens to be x race instead of what shoddily passes for "muh rep" virtue signaling quota filling these days.
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>>1866097>>1866099>>1866113Me with each book/comic that reeks of Persepolis/Hades's "cute girl make a bad moid find love". RM Virtues even did a version called "Drag Me Up" where Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer. Can't someone do a book where Demeter, instead to cry for her girl being kidnapped by Hades, go to him and beat his ass out?
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>>1866545>>1866527The thing is, as someone who studied folklore and mythology, I really dislike how Greek mythology and religion are "twitterified" for consumption. These simplifications leads to a lot of misunderstandings about ancient religions among the general population. Greek religion by modern definitions had basically various sects, with different provinces having their own variations and additions to the pantheon of gods. Even individual gods had various forms and roles. For example, Aphrodite Areia was an early version of Aphrodite as a goddess of war, before she replaced some minor fertility goddesses and became solely associated with love.
The story of Hades and Persephone is another example. There is evidence to suggest that Persephone existed before Hades, and that the male custodian/ruler of the underworld was initially a deity named Zagreus.(the current theory is that Persephone was the queen of Hell and Zagreus was her son, but somewhere along the line his aspects were changed and he became Hades) but even Hades was established, different regional variations of the story depict Hades kidnapping Persephone or it being a more romantic gesture. Both versions can be considered equally
valid. The important point is that Persephone has a story where she goes to the underworld and becomes the queen of the underworld. This story emerged naturally to explain the complexities of this patchwork faith that evolved from a synthesis of Indo-European and Semitic beliefs, stories, and traditions in different regions over time
No. 1866601
>>1866580>>1866545It's not about people enjoying black trans reimaginings. Its about beimg able to enjoy the plot without consequences. The more layers of queer and minority are laid over a story, the more degeneracy you can get away with without being cancelled. There's a reason why Lolita is universally uncomfortable for people but the movie Call Me By Your Name is exempt from criticism. When people wrote fanfics of Harry Styles being an
abusive angsty criminal who dates a girl younger than him they were
problematic and disturbing. Black trans age gap fanfiction is shielded from that same criticism despite being quite literally the same concept of an angst older weirdo holding a girl against her will until she Stockholmes herself into being in love with him
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>>1866590It feels like the infamous Cleopatra: Even Egypt itself said the tv show was wrong, but Smith went "nuh uh, is my show and I'll write it like I want". I understand being interested in another culture, but if you're going to do some crap, like picrel (ironically from the same author), wouldn't be better to ask to people from that culture what would or wouldn't work? Or probably they don't because they know their idea is wrong or they would have a big backslash.
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>>1866632I even wonder if she's aware that Greeks would read her books and think "those United Statians and their lack of imagination".
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>>1866640There are tons of civilizations where older men would likely engage in pederastic relationship while leaving women for fornication and house chores, but now they have been so washed that people tend to ignore it for "we were here before (insert another civilization)". You would think in an era where Internet makes you easier to research for any culture, people wouldn't do shit like this, but here we are.
No. 1866655
>>1866601DA, I completely agree with the point you're making but people absolutely tore into Call Me By Your Name when the movie was out. People called it bad representation,
problematic, it romanticizes an age gap instead of portraying it as creepy, said the author of the book was a straight guy (IDK if that's true but they said that).
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>>1866653Back then in the 90s kids who watched it were already into football, now we have professional football players saying they wanted to play it because of Captain Tsubasa kek. I don't know how to explain this phenomenon. It's like when girls long ago in France were so obsessed with pic related they decided to all learn volleyball en masse. Haikyuu just the genderbend version.
>because a normal soccer field is 91.4-118.9m / 300-390ft in length, not 4000 m/13123.4ft.10 years old anime boys also tend to not be able to jump 5 meters into the air and do somersault while still 5 meters into the air to kick a ball so hard it explodes midair but hey, when there's a will there's a way.
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>>1866667You're right. It's really annoying actually.
Lol Algeria lost against Mauritania yesterday btw, the butthurt was funny.>>1866672>he's going to be safe horny for moids.I don't know JJK all that much but is he? If male fans talk about him looking him and make jokes about how they want to suck his dick and how they're gay for him sure (like with Dante or Solid Snake), but if they're just talking about wanting to be him then not really. On the other hand I've seen male fans saying crazy shit about Gojo and Geto, some even talking about mpreg and how gay for each other they are in a way that wouldn't seem out of place coming from your average fujoshi. It's actually pretty funny.
No. 1866687
>>186640250 shades, ddlg, twiligth, lana del rey, coquette and all that trash did irreparable damage to women's taste in men. Does anyone remember when literally every big romance movie targetted at young girls and women had an
abusive moid love interest? I know bad boys have always been a thing, but those badboys were ''redeemed'' at the end, that was the appeal. These modern faggots are irredemable
abusive towards the female character and they get a sad story tu justify why they are like that, while never changing for the better.
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>>1866456>tfw hispanic>to americans you just look like thisno thank you i dont want representation from amerimutts who think every hispanic is mexican, brown, and looks like pic rel
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>>1866684I still remember all the butthurt for Argentina winning the Qatar 2022 and people said "they bought the cup". Right, a country where you cannot even buy bread can buy a cup???
Which leads me to think that infamous Washington Post about "Argentinians are so white, they do not reserve the cup". Argentina team is like this not because they only pick white people, is because they pick the ones that can play better than other Argentinian.
No. 1866702
>>1866688While that anon was talking about something else, it is funny that people clocked Toji as an
abusive bf when he was one of those "fixed by a woman, destroyed by her being gone" types.
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>>1866692I still don't know how Natasha Kline made these designs and think "oh yes, this totally represent any Mexican-American kid! This is going to be amazing!". Not mention also the VA saying the "Spanish is a colonizer language" to add more gas to the fire.
>>1866700I have even heard that some people in Texas do not believe that the Chile flag is older than theirs. I love my American friends, but makes me sad the self centered Americans are the louder.
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>>1866684Men make peepoo jokes all the time, they literally made gay porn a funny meme 4 times. Its funny how easy you can tell when a characters makes men uncomfortable vs when they are ''safe'' for them to joke around about how they want to ''fuck him''. Pretty men make moids absolutely seethe, this is why they get super angry and jealous at women liking bishies, kpoopies and pre 2010s teen pop stars like bieber. But they are okay with traps and these roidpig type shonen characters because they arent threatening. You can hit the gym and achieve roidpig jjk body, and you can fuck a femboy and ''not be gay'' because they are ''feminine'' and therefore below you. But they cant change their facial features to look like a pretty bishie and being stylish like them makes them gay according to their moid peers.
No. 1866727
>>1866719>this is why they get super angry and jealous at women liking bishies, kpoopies and pre 2010s teen pop stars like bieberFrom what I've seen recently it irl and online greatly depends on where these men are on normie to otaku scale. At that point I expect male otaku to not just be vaguely aware that fujoshi and yumejoshi will obsess over cute male characters, but to be surprised when there's no hot guy in a new successful franchise. Meanwhile the normies who only care about shonen manga (and Berserk) will either seethe hard when a cute male characters who's popular with female fans shows up or act as you said.
It can create funny situations where you have absolutely deranged nerds on twitter who spend 99% of their time watching anime about lolis and spending money on shitty gacha games vehemently defending the right of fujoshi and yumejoshi to shamelessly obsess over popular bishonen, it's super weird. Now there's also that manga, Kagurabachi or something, that some fans like but don't want to see it get canceled from lack of success so they're unironically begging fujoshi to draw and post art of the male characters making out to make other women want to read it. I wish I had screenshots right now.
No. 1866761
>>1866704I said this in the animation thread when the news broke out and I'll say it again, this entire fucking diaspora war could've been avoided if the author just explicitly stated this was specifically an US latino centric experience instead of trying to group all the diasporas together in with "ZOMG LATINX REPRESENTATION! AM I RIGHT MY AMIGXS??", and when criticized about the misspelling simply excusing it by saying the little girl is obviously not that good at spanish because she's obviously still in the process of connecting with her language and culture, instead of going on some retarded tirade about spanish being a colonizer language.
LATAM latinos and US latinos have vastly different tastes in what they actually want in media and in representation, I can speak from the perspective of someone from LATAM. Which is why when wokies try to group us two together it's always fucking disastrous because while they may 'pretend' to care, they're too idiotic to actually learn about the differing cultures and just see anything below NA as long south and central Mexico.
No. 1866810
>>1866761Just a note: The one saying "Spanish is a colonizer language" was the VA of the main character, and she said that while, ironically, thanked in her IG how her Mexican grandparents worked hard to have a good life in USA.
I'm also from LaTam and seeing the drama over this
>>1866695 made me rage quite hard.
No. 1866852
>>1866761Real latinos dont want representation. Villanous doesnt have a single
POC character and its made by a mexican dude kek.
No. 1866913
>>1866878the problem is that americans cant make hispanic characters that arent a stereotype. I dont think i have ever seen non
poc hispanic representation outside of pic rel
>>1866906how did ''chile'' became slang? i never understood it
No. 1866921
>>1866678I know it's hypocritical of me, but I'm trying to eke a little more into art-space normiedom, lol. I still like to browse lolcow because it's one of very few places women can talk honestly without scrutiny.
Thanks for the insight, nonnas
No. 1867115
>>1866113>>1866137>>1866144>>1866527it's just like their art. They have all these ideas for their OCs, but they lack fundamentals. They lack colour theory, perspective, composition and it looks like a mess. And when they attach their SJ politics, it comes off as ugly propaganda art. We know it's possible to make beautiful art of
POC or gay people etc and make decent well-written stories for them too. But they are so blinded and it hurts to see the train wreck
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>>1866704>>1866695This reminds me of the current controversy. of the rebooting the prince of persia and depicting the protagonist (and seemingly most of the cast) as just straight up black. while there were africans in persian history, mostly as slaves, it is never stated. ironically, the older and more stereotypical games depicted persian more accurately by having a darker-skinned caucasian characters.
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No. 1867210
>>1867056Well, this thread has anons calling null "based" because he hates trannies despite also hating women and enabling pedophiles. It's fascinating how people will ignore male scheming and degeneracy if they show a bit of acceptance.
>>1867162No, women liking babyfaced anime twinks isn't the same as lolicon and women shouldn't fight that battle. We can't become attack dogs for men who try to pass their drawn child porn under the "but they're all minors we're in the same boat!!!11" clause, if a customs worker opened my package and saw that 16-year old anime boy getting railed I can guarantee they wouldn't think it's a child. Men know women are more apt at constructing good arguments while also seeming nonthreatening and being faithful to their morals so they're groveling at fujo feet trying to make them save their coom.
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>>1867356>and in that scenario, I'm sure all the porn-sick moids will then shift all to yaoi and "trap" porn thenmen arent into yaoi. I dont care if men like trapshit because it doesnt affect women.
>but in the real world the fujos march on the same side male degens when it comes to "freedom of expression" cause the same laws do affect them.that's why i am saying we must ban all pornography that sexualizes women, then we can keep yaoi. Most fujos will agree with me.
No. 1867360
>>1867359Diabolik lovers isnt old. Its from the 2010s, which is the era all this
abusive bf simulator shit started to become popular.
No. 1867367
>>1867360>>1867359I couldn't finish the Diabolik Lover anime it was so bad it became hilarious. I have no clue how the game is but I expect it to be just as terrible. However if we're talking about more than just otome games and their adaptations there were some 90s and early 2000s manga with horrible male love interests. Tsukasa in Hana Yori Dango is a trend setter when it comes to
abusive "bad boy" love interests.
No. 1867371
think people are kinda forgetting that Japan has a really bizarre culture compared to the West with regards to sexual situations. This abuse does happen and is semi-normalized, but it is never truly acknowledged outright. In these stories, no abusers ever get arrested; instead, they receive some other form of comeuppance. This applies to both fujo and yume authors.
>>1867370How is saying Japan has a normalized rape-culture and shitty police practices bait?
No. 1867388
>>1867384Let me explain what I meant in simpler terms, someone mentioned that older Japanese stories are often "rapey", I then provided an explanation of the cultural factors that contribute to this issue, In Japan there is a normalized rape culture where abuse is unfortunately expected to happen, reporting such incidents to the police or authorities is often discouraged because they prioritize quick results over solving the actual crimes, there is a general aversion to standing out in society, this combined with the most negative aspects of westernization and excessive consumption of pornography, contributes to a fundamentally flawed and unhealthy society. I come from another society with is fundamentally, but it is different from Japan's
do you finally what understand what I'm trying to say?
No. 1867398
>>1867390>Japanese men and women are more similar to each other No they aren't and it's very evident in the very categories you're talking about yumes and fujos are very different from the usual otaku moid. Generalising them as the same is false I mean even when protests against Bill 156 happened the women
were against toddlercon and lolicon but the males with them weren't they were forced to protest with these freaks out of necessity considering how patriarchal japan is.
No. 1867528
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i don't even know what to say about this one.
No. 1867546
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>>1867544from the quotes kek
No. 1867547
>>1867302Interestingly, YYH was one of the first shonen manga that deliberately tried to appeal to female viewers by coping shojo traits like including bishonen characters. But Togashi wasn’t the first to have that idea, the granddaddy was Masami Kurumada. Not coincidentally, Saint Seiya was also a hit with both males and females. So essentially basic battle shonen manga for the boys + appealing male characters to pander to the girls = tried and true formula for popularity among both men and women in equal amounts
Tbh, I think that’s a basic prerequisite for any shonen manga nowadays to become a worldwide hit with cultural sticking power. We saw it with Naruto, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, D.Grayman and so on. JJK is just the only one in recent memory to be blatant about pandering to women.
No. 1867563
>>1867547>Not coincidentally, Saint Seiya was also a hit with both males and females.kek I know, 6 years old me was begging my parents to get the VHS of some episodes back when renting movies and TV shows was still a thing. I thought some of the prettier guys were girls. iirc CLAMP started working together by making Saint Seiya doujinshi.
>Katekyo Hitman Reborn, D.GraymanI was going to say it makes sense here since the mangaka are women in both cases, but then I remembered FMA not having pretty boys besides maybe Mustang but he's more of a somewhat accidentally handsome adult man. Fanart usually portray male characters as better looking than in canon but in FMA's case the disparity was bigger than in D Gray Man or Reborn. FMA feels more like an exception to the rule, like it was popular because it was way less of the typical nekketsu manga compared to its contemporary series.