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I am so fucking tired of women being held to the same standards as men in art. History has shown us women dont rape, kidnap, torture, and kill like men do, so why are women held at the same, if not higher standar than men?.
I will always be pro women drawing whatever the fuck they want, even if it's gross shit, same thing doesn't apply to men. If you think otherwise you are a retarded MRA that is desperately trying to pretend women are as bad as men. If women were as a bad as men we would have female jeffrey dahmer, women marrying little boys in middle eastern countries, men fearing going out late at night. I still stand that i would rather have a female shotafag artist than a female DDLG, Maledom, male-gaze artist. That bitch who wrote 50 shades did more damage to women than any female shotfag with 50 followers could do to boys. If women were as bad as men, as MRAs think, we would live in a more equal world, but we dont. Women fear men, men don't. Men are allowed to draw whatever disgusting shit they want and have a following, like mossa, women cant even draw a reverse harem gentle femdom webtoon without being called misandrist racists. The ''two wrongs dont make a right'' bullshit doesnt even make sense, because men make all the wrongs, yet women are the only ones paying for it. So yeah, I stand with women drawing whatever the fuck they want.
yeah, i think all male pedophiles should be shoot on sight, but i think women can like shota without being pedos, or if they do are they can get therapy and change. There is a reason why men commit 98% of crimes, even the trannies with ''uwu feminine brain'' still commit more sexual crimes than women. I don't believe men can change, they are all inherently inmmature perverted creatures. When i was 14-17 i was a huge shotafag, i obviously wasnt nor are a pedo, i just liked femdom and cute boys and there was NOTHING cattering to me, it was all either dorito chin bishies, roided freaks and tons and tons of maledom shit, and all the femdom was sissy shit or dominatrix women for scrotes. Eventually i grew out of it and started drawing my own shit, so from personal experience i can see why a woman would like shota without being a pedo. Men cant even get rejected by some girl without raging and going on a mass shooting spree, they are low iq creatures and i am honestly very offended i am getting put on the same level as the sex that pays to rape gorillas in makeup. I think female shotafags are either just into cute boys, or have been abused in some way or another, i dont think none are capable or harming anyone but themselves. Also, literally no woman is making a male version of lolita/taxi driver/pretty baby/leon the professional/gravure idols, so it's safe to say no woman has interest in the real thing, unlike moids.
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Have you looked into fantasy art nona? Many of the men pictured in painterly fairy pics are pretty and lithe without a lot of dorito face.
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I am not interested in 3dpd and western shows are shit. Videogames suffer a similar problem, too. Only dante and leon are attractive, although i hate their boring as fuck personalities, the rest are roided piggus, disgustingly old and realistic, or downright boring as fuck, so i intuitively end up liking the only fucking male characters in vidya that are allowed to have interesting cute personalities and designs, like pit/link/no9, who happen to be 'shotas'. Best example would be genshit, where there isnt a real ''shota'' equivalent, the ''shotas'' are on the same level as the flat girls, then it jumps straight into boring bishies and muscle pigs>>1700697
how about you recommend something then>>1700698
that's really fucking ugly, reminds me of those ai pictures where they turn the long haired fag from berserk into a 3DPD
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Small genshin boys are a cute but don't you dare call Griffith a fag
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Why so hostile, nonnie
? And Genshin character designs are terrible. There is no variety at all. It's all over-designed, tropey garbage. If you are only looking for anime-style games, then of course anything outside of that style will be ugly to you. Personally, I like cute boys so I look at a lot of final fantasy and kingdom hearts fanart. There's also chinese video games(not genshin) that I play that feature lots of cute, feminine men. You just need to expand your horizons.>>1700713
Before a couple months ago, people were actually against shota here. Most of the talk wasn't even about nonsense like this and had many recognizable cows.
i just think they are boring>>1700727
why are you so mad at me? you asked why a person not into 3DPD would be into shota characters and i answered, you didnt like my answer and started sperging about it when i didnt inmmediately like the things you recommended, which were the same things i was complaining about. Men have a bazillion pieces of media to choose from, so them gravitationg towards a generic loli instead of some anime girl with the same personality that's not a loli is more telling than someoe with extremely limited options to choose from.
Never said I liked Sora in particular. And I'm not sperging, you literally said>how about you recommend something then>>1700729
Nta but I'm >>1700675
The person you're responding to is not me. People are just saying you're options aren't limited. It just sounds like you only like characters that look like shotas, which if thats the case, then just own it.
i just like cute male characters and there are fucking none, i already spent my teenage years hoping from idolshit for women, to shoujo, to sports anime to no avail. I do like ensemble stars, though, probably the only gacha for women i actually do enjoy the art and character's personalities, probably because it feels like a genderbent version of something like im@s.>>1700735
i already do, this all started because anon asked why someone that's not a pedophile would be into shota, i answered from someone who doesnt like 99% of male characters. I even used to watch harem shit for moids like onegai teacher because it was the only type of anime willing to make cute submissive male characters.
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Forgive me if this has been talked about but I keep seeing zoomers say they’re going to steal or take inspiration from ai art. Fuck ai art it’s equally as retarded but they really think they’re owning aifags with “stealing” the already shit designs and drawing their own shit art. Zoomers do the same shit with artists that are “problematic”, yeah i’m sure the creator of Ranfren is offended a 14 year old is claiming her OCs as their own. Lazy uncreative little shit heads that want shortcuts to the simplest shit, if you want inspiration open a fucking magazine or book or google images. Or go outside, I saw a cool ass old man with a parrot on his shoulder today and my mind was teeming with ideas from him.
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There was a whole google doc callout but that's gone now but retarded ass shit. I could only find a doc from a fan that's responding to the callout but here's just my shitty rundown based on it.>drawing the character Nyen completely pitch black therefore it's blackface>art of an ouija board with a swastika on it>one of the characters has a the same sweatshirt as nevada-tan>using the n word in some way>drawing racist "ratmen" asian stereotype characters, but were supposedly instead inspired by a mouse Touhou character>something to do with pedo or incest art?>retweeting porn of Randal>drawing pedobear>the character nana's design is transphobic
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Samefag I dug through a Twitter thread and found more including a Russian translation of the original doc that's still up so I'll just screencap some of the shit. She posted or reblogged an image of a memorial for the bodies of native Canadian children found, in between two posts about yaoi shit. She also reblogged gore art of Randal. Isn't she a Russian of course she's had edgy humor. Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.
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>>1700887>Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.
Reminds me of another dumb tiktok/twitter drama involving zoomers and a google document.
what happened nonny
? what did she/he do to deserve a fucking 114 manifesto
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Except for a couple of things, the 'controversies' are very silly in my opinion. Typical zoomer behavior. But hey, at least she's not drawing lolicon or shotacon.
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Thank you anon! This is amazing, I never thought I would see a furry artist respond to angry callouts from bored kids with screenshots from Talking Angela, or people mad because they think he's drawn incest art of Where's My Water characters. These kids got the wrong ages of the Talking Tom characters because they thought the age of the app Google gives you is the age of the character, that's how retarded TikTok kids are. To be completely honest though, he (she?) completely set himself up for this by posting on TikTok so I don't feel bad at all. You draw a bunch of lewd images and porn of characters zoomers will recgonize and be nostalgic for, on an app well known for it's young userbase, don't be surprised if they start chimping out over it.
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wow i am not even half-way through it and this makes me so mad. This poor woman got tons of shit for absolutely no fucking reason. I wonder why this happens? Mossa draws loli guro openly and he's still respected by the twitter community, meanwhile this poor girl cannot draw a fucking shitpost comic of some blob and a cocodrile without being called a pedo. Why is it always women, or artists that draw a content targetted at women, being called out and targetted?
The trick is to not give a fuck. Online harassers are like animals: they can smell weakness.
Someone accuses you of being a zoophile? Laugh at them. Someone calls you a pedo? Oh, fuck off. And so on.
Oddly enough, it works.
Did you hear it from that guy who draws PASWG style street fighter fan art?>>>/ot/1699849
His works make my blood boil.
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It started with referencing is ok. Then straight up copying is ok because no one owns anything. Then using 3D models/assets or photobashing everything is ok. Then tracing is ok. Then using premade brushes to stamp hands and eyes like you're Tim Buckley is ok. Now AI is ok as long as you act ironic about it, kek.
Not necessarily against most of these things it's just funny and I wonder how far it will go. Artists have never been more apable to learn and stunted by shortcuts and lazy tricks at once.
anon is probably deeply retarded and thinks the rise of ''female'' predators is actual women and not trannies. Female predators arent ''getting away'' with being predators, that's just a MRA lie. Female predators are treated even worse than male predators, that's why female shota artists get called out more than loli male artist and why >>1700917
got called a pedo for a shitty comic
I am just too much of a loner to socialize much so nobody even knows I am female.
Uploading fanart since 2006, never had a call out.
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It worked though. Which leads me to wonder if it is worth having that many followers even if they are all zoomies.
Everytime I see people posting such accusations it's fucking instagram, which attracts IMO the same brainlets as tiktok. The central issue of both places is that they are much, much more mainstream and casual than other, more fandom centered places. Even twitter is way, waaaay more fandom centered than these places. Twitterfags are mostly hybrids with a political and a fandom oriented side. Instagrammers and tiktokers are just fullblown normalfags that don't even have a concept of fandom.
Artist is mainly a fujo I know. She's drawing sfw shipping art, mostly of Optimus and Megatron or some anime. Complaints I see a lot are "Why?", "BUT THIS IS A CARTOON!?!?", "Why are you showing me this".
This not only reveals that they don't know what a fandom or shipping is, they are also not aware of what algorithms are, since they are often asking shit like "Why do you want to show me this?", not understanding that it's not the artist that chooses to make a pic appear on some rando's timeline.
In short, it's stupid normalfags. This is why those places are shit since they throw all types of people together that should never meet.
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i'm really curious to know where he's from
i legit believe gringos give more shit to foreign artist than they do their own. The exception is like, idk shitty discord servers with "inclusive" retards that eventually dox eachother over saying the wrong thing
but even them i feel like a lot of them HAVE to cover for eachother when they fuck up due to their contradictory and vague silent rules, otherwise they would have like fifty callouts each
This is 100% the case but it’s not a matter of foreigner vs non foreigner, people just love dogpiling. I explicitly remember one of the morons shitting on an artist for drawing a spiderverse character with “too light” skin later retweeting and praising ugly fanart (that their friend drew) of Zoro from One Piece with neon lemon yellow “racist caricature” tier skin. Both instances boil down to a matter of stylization but only one person gets a 10 million likes quote tweet callout for racism. It’s all arbitrary bullshit they want to play victim
with. If someone they like does it, it doesn’t matter.
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being a shotafag saved me from being groomed when i was a tween. If i were one of those DDLG/maledom freaks like most of my classmates were(some who were groomed) i would 100% have been groomed too. That's why i would rather women be shotafreaks than maledom/ddlg freaks/male-gaze artist. Realize how the hatred t's always towards women drawing gore/shota, never towards the women drawing bdsm/male-gaze art/ddlg/maledom shit, which has actually hurt people irl(women) and is way more normalized and accepted than women into shota, which are like one in a bazillion.
Also there's shota art that's just a youthful boy but otherwise not infantalized. And then there's just shota content that is specifically about getting off to them being minors.>>1701664
Kek I don't like them too. Anons were just shitting on a pickme woman artist in the previous thread.
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how is gore different than shota? the absolute stacy drawing toilet dio isnt going to go turn men into human toilets, just like how yana toboso isnt going to go rape children. Women are capable of drawing the most heinous shit and not commit crimes. Men cant even play fucking videogames without getting their wires crossed and shooting people.>>1701674
that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.
I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anything. That shit shouldn't be exposed to kids until they fully develop their brains in the first place. >>1701684>that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.
Then I suppose you're not really complaining about nonas shitting on shota here but more so the general culture. Again, I don't like them either. Though it's not the time for whataboutism. I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.
Again, I'm not gonna mail your president to stop you from making that content if that floats your boat. I don't know about other anons, but my goal posting this is, if not to convince you, then others lurking to change their minds about it.
>>1701688>I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anything
believe it or not, it did. I used to expend most of my time on fb groups for retro games and anime so ended up developing friendships with older teens and men at 14, they would try to groom me and i would just respond ''ewww noo you arent my qte shota husbandoru!!!'''. If i was into ddlg shit i would have definetly been groomed into finding older men attractive and romantic, as many classmates my age did. I literally rejected all those faggots not because i realized how predatory it was, but because they werent my cute shota husbando(at the time), kek. I love you Kenny, thanks for saving me from gross men.>I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.
we are talking about fetishes, if you have any fetish there is something inherently wrong with you, normie couples have missionary once a month out of commitment for a reason. I never said guro wasn't wrong, just saying a woman drawing guro/shota is miles better than a pickme glorifying how her boyfriend abuses her, the latter has real life consequences, whereas the shota/gurofag isnt going to go murder men and rape children.
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Just found someone charging $90 for editing pokemon sprites, if I knew people are open to spent that much on them when I was 12 I would've gotten rich kek I used to do sprite edits all the time.
The only ok thing on this sheet are the portraits since they seem made fully from scratch, but that price tag is still too big considering their size and limited colors.
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They were calling this CP? I'm out lol
it's one thing to consume lolisho when you're a kid and eventually grow out of it when you become and adult. it's a phase.
what people are trying to say here is that if you're an adult woman who's still into lolisho then you're a gross degen because you should've grown out of it ages ago and even though you're not acting on it you're still getting off to/attracted by the representation of a child which is fucked up at the very least.
no, i just hate you people jumping to say ''omg you are as bad as men, double standars!!!'' like retarded MRAs. I am not even a shotafag, i just defend women drawing whatever they like, and if freaks like >>1701684
are allowed to draw their disgustign shit, so should the 2 or 3 female shotafags and guro artists. I am just putting it in perspective, and female shotafags are genuinely the lesser evil when people like the author of 50 shades is given the green light to make it a movie. I repeat, more women have died thanks to pickme behaviour being pushed by media, than any child or male has been hurted by shota/gurofags. I will stop surporting female shota/gorefags when people stop defending bdsm art as ''a kink''. Until then, men deserve to be cosified too.>>1701896
everyone else was into bishies so idk. kenny is canonically like 9 and when he was my husbando i was 14/15. do you think that agegap IRL would be normal? I just liked cute boys, shrimple as.>>1701903
do you think yana toboso is a pedo? some women just like to draw cute boys, nothing wrong with that. Men drawing loli are 100% perverts, though.
>>1701946>why not project those feelings onto a grown up version of your husbando.
that's retarded, imagine if moids cared this much about some character's age. Most waifufags have waifus that are at most 15. At this point i have realized that no matter how you sugarcoat it, as long as you are female or drawing female gaze art you are going to be nitpicked to death like >>1701839
. So why not just say ''fuck it'' and do whatever we want, like moids? we are going to get judged more harshly anyways, so might as well just rip the bandaid and own it.
i will genuinely only start caring for female shotafags when
1-people, specially women, stop justifying BDSM as a safe kink
2-mainstream media stops pushing gross maledom shit to women(fuck literally all romance shojo shit)
3-men actually start being scared of women and not only use the ''female teacher pedo'' boogeyman when they are trying to justify women being totes as evil as men
4-women stop being called out for the dumbest of shist that moids do on the dozen
until then, female shotafags drawing south park boys kissing is the lesser evil and hold less risk to safety than some pickme retard glorifying her boyfriend treating her like shit and saying to men ''see? women LIKE being choked!!''. If being considered worse than a shotafag helps a pickme stop drawing male pandering shit that actually hurt women, then so be it.
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>>1702022>women have common sense to call out degeneracy
except they dont, women never call out actual pedos or men drawing disgusting shit, they call out other women drawing mildly degen shit that's harmless. I don't care if pickme retards feel morally superior for calling out a girl drawing south park yaoi, i will always side with the south park fujo. Mossacannabis has 300k followers, where is his cancellation? but nah, those retards would rather cancell the ranfren TIF for drawing swastikas or that webtoon chick for drawing gentle femdom.
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Could you recommend any low cost screen recording program? I'd like to record small snippets of how I draw hair or something. But my computer is shit and lags when I'm using heavy record software.
Extra points if the software have editing tools aswell
Women call out other women because they are women spaces. Women don't follow these gross men, only other men do>>1702036
OBS is free and you can control the size of your screen, so you can crop it to certain parts of your canvas if you'd like
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You have been at this for like, days now kek, let it rest you obsessed sperg.
Fair enough. It's still weird to thirst over fictional little boys because pedophilia is so normalized and partaking in something adjacent doesn't fix the problem? Pedophile men also lack a gender preference because their "attraction" is just destruction of innocence, so they'll probably get off to some nerdy girl's South Park fics too. But I agree that men drawing lolisho will always be worse, and that BDSM is inherently abusive
Tell your mutuals then that they're supporting someone like him. I'm not saying women don't commonly call out other women while not calling out men, but I'm just saying there are reasons why. And e-thots who cosplay underage anime girls suck, but women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general. Also, your posts are incredibly obvious because of your capitalization, nona.>>1702071>>1702069
You guys are right in that cancel culture doesn't apply to men. Women are easier targets because they have less power than men. But I still think both should be called out rather than just focusing on one or the other. I don't get why people are whining that women call out other women instead of men, when they should focus on just calling everyone out instead. Sure, this is the artist salt thread where you're meant to be salty about it, but it's redundant to see everyone say the same five things over and over without discussing any ways to fix it
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So, who is going to do the mossacannibalism call out post? I have access to his baraag and can provide screenshots, but I don't have twitter because I only publish on pixiv.
Minus8 did that one disgusting Ankha animation right. Maybe I've been living under a rock but what does EPI mean?>>1702080
I can name so many sick fuck male artists who get away with vile shit. It just confirms that callout culture in art/fandom spaces is a misogyny problem; it is only used to harass and silence women who were often victims
of grooming themselves, once they hit the male-established expiration date where it is no longer socially acceptable for women artists to have a platform.
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you read my post about women cancelling thots for cosplaying kanna, while making excuses about the original source(made by a man) being totes wholesome and your conclusion is ''yeah, the thots suck!!''. You are the problem, nonny
. People are complaining becaue only women are being called out, and not even for real reasons, just retarded nitpicks. Or do you seriously think the ranfren TIF did anything seriously bad to get cancelled over? c'mon, you are just justifying women gettig harassed, i have never seen a callout towards a woman be anything but nitpicks like drawing a brown character one shade lighter or some other equal retarded shit. Does anyone remember this girl? she got harassed for ''cultural appropiation'' to the point she deleted her account at some point. Imagine if twitterfaggots actually harassed lolifags with this much determination.>>1702086
kek, literally no one is going to give a shit. People probably already know, it's not a well-kept secret.
>>1702075>women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general>cancel culture doesn't apply to men>women are easier targets because they have less power than men
You're literally agreeing with them. If men get called out, people stop giving a fuck after 5 minutes and they still have loyal fans. Just look at men like Projared, or ZeRo (zerowondering) who admitted to sexting with and asking a 14 year old girl for nudes, left the internet, then backtracked 6 months later and said he never did it. They'll never reach their old success levels, but a lot of people don't give a fuck. If women get called out, everyone they knows goes scorched earth. It's the same reason why MtFs get millions of asspats everywhere they go, but nobody gives a fuck about FtMs. These women who call out other women for drawing shitty South Park yaoi but not freaky pedophile men who use literal CP as references because they are misogynistic handmaidens. Even if a woman wanted to call out somebody like Mossa, they'd be drowned out by his loyal coomers and pickmes. I also routinely see popular female artists (such as niceupdog) make vague posts about hating loli while regularly interacting with male artists who draw explicit loli porn of 10 year olds. I don't understand how the cognitive dissonance doesn't give them an aneurysm.
Just look at this from the last thread:>>1697604>>1699034
She said no NSFW and he drew softcore porn of her anyways. Do you really think it's worth it for her to tell him to stop and get his followers sicc'd on her, and possibly have her own followers turn on her?
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EPI is coomerspeak for Early Porn Introduction aka the fetish for exposing children to porn. Minus8 is a popular artist for because of his simple, colorful style and obsession with Nintendo and other younger-skewing media. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with blending cute and sexy, but his jarringly kawaii pedoshit is the visual equivalent of a van full of candy.
Remember that at the end of the day, loli, shota, zoo or anything 'degenerate' is ultimately just pixels on a page that have never hurt or groomed a single real person. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either miserable or jealous. You are valid
for using porn to cope, and your favorite artists support your choice of self-medication. There is no such thing as a porn addiction.(bait/unintegrated)
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women arent doing this shit, it doesn't matter how much you try to compare male degeneracy to female degeneracy. We both know female shotafags arent drawing something as heinous as shadman/minus8/mossa, it's unfair to compare men drawing lolis raped and shred to pieces then urinated to…this. That's why i defend the right for women to draw whatever they want, not shota specifically. I know women aren't capable of ever doing something as hideous as shadman unless they are pickme retards.
We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complain>>1702096
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with them, I'm just wondering why this point keeps getting brought up but remains stunted. Women tend to call out other women because (like many people on this imageboard for some reaosn), they're also more ingrained in "fandom culture" and talk about fandoms and art like it's politics. They take things too serious. But about the girl, she should mention that and his 100s of loli drawings. She could also mention him being a stonetoss supporter. There's many things, but I agree it would probably do more harm than good to her. Which sucks, because this should be considered sexual harassment to draw NSFW of the likeness of a real person without their consent.>>1702106>There is no such thing as a porn addiction.
What is this grand psyop kek
>>1702115>We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complain
this board can be so dumb sometimes, i could repeat everything i say three times in bold letters and retards are going to misunderstand it anyways. I will repeat my points one last time. Women=/=men. Shota made by men=pedophilia, shota made by women=just cute boy shit like south park yaoi. BDSM/maledom/male gaze is worse than shota drawn by women, as it has actually hurt people(women) IRL. No, i dont condone all shota. No, i am not a shotafag, when i was a shotafag i was watching kuroshitsuji and southpark fanmedia(made by women), not boku no pico(made by men). Women never get called out for real problematic
stuff, it's always dumb shit no one cares. Men never get called out and are allowed a massive following(even by industry pros) when they draw heinous stuff. People, specially some women, will make excuses to defend obvious moid shit(dragon maid) but then go harass women for doing the same thing(lardasses cosplaying kanna). From experience i am glad i grew up liking shota rather than misogynistic propaganda(kaichou wa maid sama, for example).
I agree with these points, and maybe others itt too but don't realize it yet. The whole infighting/callouts between women making problematic
art feels like a smokescreen to deflect from men who are doing actual awful shit.>>1702120
Probably but it came across as earnest or baity.
I can literally sperg all day about how ass procreate is yet everyone is treating it like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I hate how slippery the brushes are and how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures. people think they're hot shit for using such a weak ass program on an overpriced piece of machinery that can't even save files normally.
I also don't like how big professional artists touted it as being so accessible because it's "only $15" and people get suckered into buying an $800 piece of scrap metal and a shitty stylus just to say they have procreate and can draw with it.
But I think the thing I hate the most about it is how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merch and making dumb tutorials on 'how to start an art/sticker business with procreate' making other, better resources harder to find.
There are way better free options out there and you can pry paint tool SAI and clip studio (though they're on thin fucking ice at the moment) from my cold dead hands. Fuck Procreate, and fuck iOS.
Nowhere did I state Clip Studio was free. I swear, the reading comprehension is at an all time low.
It's good that it works for you, nona. It's the salt thread and I'm allowed to be salty about an art program. You don't need to come to its defense.
Except everything you are saying is completely wrong. >I hate how slippery the brushes are
Then adjust them>how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures.
I've never used the gestures because any program that requires this, including phones, is garbage, so don't use it. It is not reliant on it at all, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's an accessibility option. >how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merch
You mean every single art program that anyone can use to create such merch
You just sound mad for some reason. These aren't critiques you think they are. You can have an opinion, but not when you're being personally mad about even something as simple as accessibility for people who could use it. Do you always use the talk-to-text on your phone? No, because you probably don't need that accessibility.
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What are some mangas with incredible inking?
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Another one I like. I realized I prefeer when mangakas use more western techniques.
Don't know why the procreate platoon decided to show up and get mad at you, but I agree. It's garbage, and even if you do turn up the smoothing on brushes, the bounciness of each lines feel clunky to work with for me. I much prefer Clip Studio Paint and Sai to Procreate. Somehow, I even prefer photoshop over it due to all the filtering you're able to do.>>1702612
What does this have to do with thinking pedoshit is bad for either gender?
They came outta the woodwork after I shared a sentiment on procreate and proceeded to come to its defense because I don't like it. Feels like twitter behavior, but I'm not going to entertain it any further than that.
has anyone here tried bluesky for art? i don't have one and I'm sick of moving from one shitty platform to another but i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with it so far.
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the new lol character literally a restrained girl. what the fuck. of course, people are already drawing her lewd and shit.
I actually like the idea of a restrained monster girl.
But it's not what she is. They went 200% coomer bait with her. She is a 1000 years old vampire underage loli who walks by swaying her butt, moves by showing her feet, and has a cringe "uwu" personality. I really dislike her because she's wasted potential.
This. The pose and face they chose for her tells it all.
They could have made her a guy but men wouldn't be interested in that
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Maybe cause it’s made 100% digitally now? Stuff like that can make some art look stiff in my opinion
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It's a yt short, of course it has 2M views. Pic rel are their most viewed shorts vs their most viewed videos.
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I think the best example of Eastern and western comic inking styles mixing is kotteri
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It's a little scrotey but Ran to Haiiro no Sekai.
Arguable. Major spoilers for the story The doctor moid becomes the big bad and dies
but the japanese fans and maybe the author has such a soft spot for him because he keeps getting drawn in romantic AUs with the girl kek.
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it's by ohishi masaru, sadly his manga doesnt seem to be translated anywhere
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The wildly different arms are sending me. I hope the commissioner gets a refund kekw.
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Anon.. how could you do this.
Did the alligator bite off his penis or is thr blob female? I’m confused>>1702092
I didn’t know she left the internet. Her work was a cool interpretation of Native Americans and I remember some actual natives stuck up for her. >>1702408
You can import Photoshop brushes to Procreate anon >>1702487
What are Western inking techniques compared to Eastern? I don’t ink but the mage manga you posted has been a fun read. Watching her ink traditionally makes me jealous.
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Samefag I forgot the picture kek
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Drawing an irl teenage girl as an instagram baddie is so bleak
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Does anyone know of more artists that post their studies?
pic rel is by @Af_Cf_
So Michie/Twisted Disaster made a new update video and as per usual, she says some ridiculous shit and being melodramatic. I notice that in EVERY update/video she does, she always feels the need to talk about how something traumatic happened to her, how her previous year was "just awful" and waffle on taking forever to get to a point and thinking she's "uwu quirky" while doing it. One of the stupidest things she says in this video is her actually feeling the need to bitch and lecture her viewers that if you become a freelance artist, you can't quality for unemployment. No fucking shit, who the fuck actually believes that you would be able to get on unemployment as a freelance artist. She also calls herself a professional freelance artist and I have to wonder if "professional" is even accurate. The bitch takes forever to finish commission work that can span for year waits and while she does do artist alley at cons, I just have a hard time believing that she has swarms of people lining up to buy her derpy-tier looking merch. I just don't know if I would personally call her a "professional" but maybe I'm just being petty.
Another annoying thing she said in the video was how she said she doesn't like asking for things when it's like, I just don't believe that. I can believe that she probably doesn't like asking for things directly but I feel like she's one of those people who just tries to be boy when she wants something and tries to plant the seed in her much younger friend's heads.
On that note, I've been thinking that aside from Holly Brown, most of her friends are barely entering their 20s (and seem to mostly be troons), I can't help but feel that reflecting on her old video about toxic friendships where she mentioned that she realized her friends from school that she grew up with were all "toxic" and "horrible", I can't help but wonder if maybe she was the one projecting and that she can't handle being around people her age because they won't be as likely to be afraid to call her out on her lazy ways. That they won't tell her what she wants to hear and can even be blunt but to her, that just means they're being "mean".
It's just something I started to think more about after watching a few of her streams and hearing how her much younger friends treat her with this air of naivete and not being as blunt about things. Well with the exception of her TIF/Troon friend "Swayer" who clearly acts like an asshole in a pathetic ploy to come off more like a man. Anyway sorry for blogpost, I just find TD to be an enigma kek.
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>one of tomatomagica’s recent artworks
I don’t get it, is this not a loli…? I guess I just assumed she’d hate this kind of stuff
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Semi related but I can’t stand this artist. Her whole identity is just being a pickme, and built her entire following around being an internet shut-in’s dream gf. I honestly wonder if her bf emotionally abuses her, since all of her shit comes off as a massive cope + needing validation from other men.
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WAIT this is her old art?! holy shit i have hope then, kek. Interesting how she went from tumblirina steven universe disney mix to something that could easily pass as the art of some professional japanese illustrator. I wonder how it happened, her old art is so…western…looking.
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I can fix her.
Also, ironically, women eat this shit up too. Yes pic rel is a meme. But it just shows how huge the couple market is for pickmeish #relatable content.
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How can I improve at form drawing and perspective? I'm doing these exercises where I do crossectional drawings of simple household objects and I'm really struggling with them, I never know how wide the circles should be
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like here. how do I know what the size of the base should be? or is it a matter of just practicing until you get a sense for it?
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Total tinfoil but I keep wondering if the boyfriend is real or just a character she made up to build her comics around, since that’s basically her entire online brand. She’s posted photos of herself, but never anything with him. I get exaggerating some moments for humor/clout, but sometimes I just can’t believe stuff like picrel lol
I love drawing hot demon guys. A good source to practice is michael stokes' photos. Watch out if you venture too far you'll eventually find NSFW but on the surface it's just suggestive muscular men, 11/10.
Have fun with your journey nona
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interesting, guess i'll be drawing amputee porn with this then>>1706642
thank you although i really do not want to see the buttsecks if i can avoid it
Found this croquis channel that's focused on male poses, hope it helps nonny
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I rly like following @pikatstudies! Even tho she’s a programmer at Riot! she still takes art classes and continues to build her portfolio thru her studies.
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Luxesbytes/vani is at it again but this time on bluesky. What a fucking idiot.
Did she think that because it's invite only she could dump her twitter and leave like nothing happened?
>calls herself kid.
>is in her mid 30s, nearly 40 kek
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I love his art. I still have a beat up little book of his that I got when I was 13 and treasured so much
It's a lot easier to be creative within a frame, so give yourself a more narrow frame to work within. Instead of having a vague idea like "maybe I'll draw a summery girl" you make up specifics like "a blonde girl in a long dress eating ice cream while leaning up against her bicycle".
If that's also too hard to come up with, take a photo or artwork you like and make something derivative of it. Copy the pose or vibe but imagine it in a different context and outfit that you like better. Drawing "for yourself" doesn't have to mean "100% from my own brain" it could just mean making cute fanart of something you like.
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Have you nonas seen the recent discussions on twitter about this weird webcomic called Sinfest? It's drawn by a man and used to be a daily comedic strip until he discovered terf talking points, which lead to its downfall according to prior fans of it. It seems like an insane rabbithole to go into, all the panels that I've seen shared don't resemble anything like a plot kek
It has terf
talking points but mostly the poster "white right wing" with super religious undertones. It's odd, is the author even white himself?
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Right, it seems to me like he went from radfem points into alt-right shit and I haven't seen enough to get a feeling for what is going on in his brain and if he's even thinking about the real world or just too terminally online and wrapped up in delusions. It's also interesting how this comic has changed, in the beginning it was very different
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Random old comic I saw. Apparently these are the MCs but I don't really care to read more about it kek
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While he's an extreme case, he's not unheard of. A lot of formerly left-leaning people switching to the populist right after the mainstream liberal gaslighting regarding addressing troon issues. Their logic being, "if they're being dishonest about this issue, then they are likely lying about everything." A lot of radfems and socialist in general are falling down this pipeline as well, I'm talking about life long communists praising Tucker Calrson. for e.g Kajsa Ekman (who wrote an excellent book regarding the state of prostitution and how it functions in Europe), but at the same time, she retweets and posts literal Russian propaganda and thinks Putin is justified in invading Ukraine.
Damn, I remember Sinfest before the author went down the radfem rabbithole. It was mostly just silly gag a day shit and was alright but I never really followed it. Then one day he started a whole plot about how the patriarchy is like the Matrix. That's when his fans turned on him. It also pretty much consumed every aspect of the comic and he started doing overarching plots and increasing the scope two fold, completely abandoning any semblance of humor or lightheartedness.
Really reminds me of an Dave Sim in a way considering both fell into radical rabbit holes (but Sim went the opposite route) and both are what I'd consider quite talented artists.
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I think the Sinfest comics have been really on point.
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This one is good also.
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Forgot to include the best one based on that arrest of the autistic girl in the UK who told a police officer "You look like my lesbian grandma" and they dragged her out the house crying and screaming to put her in jail.
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Artists are so entitled and whiny. This is why you are being replaced with AI lmao
Yeah, I've built my art presence on instagram, I don't have like 1k followers or anything, but I have a small circle of "regulars" who always like and comment on my stuff. I also engaged a lot with posting stories and talking to my followers a bit. I put myself out there and was able to get some commissioners, though I haven't been as active recently. Luckily, I did get that golden client where they can't draw themselves and want you to draw their OCs all the time kek. He's great. I did get commissioned by this scrote to draw nsfw, but it was a decent price too so worked out.
He is incredibly patient as well. I hope you can find some clients nonna, especially dedicated, understanding ones. I use Paypal myself for payment. I have taken cashapp before kek
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There are so many mediocre artists out there with TONS of engagement, viewers, and followers…How the hell do people do it?
This artist has 15k+ followers…averages around 200 viewers on twitch every time she streams…and this art got 11k likes.
How do I reach this level of engagement?? I'm so bitter
keep posting as much as you can. social media has turned art into a commodity so much as so that even the process is becoming a commodity (through tiktok).
its not for everyone so pace yourself accordingly, nonna
I also have noticed these kind of people engage with the comunity A LOT and try to make as many friends as they can/join servers. Since most people in these groups feel a bit pressured to share the art since it was many by a friend, it breaches out quickly.
I recently started a Twitter (yeah, I know) and often see outright bad artists get +100 rts on their stuff and it's all because they became friends mostly with people who have +4k followers
Usually the people bitching about clients pestering them for faster progress than 12 months are the kind of e-beggars masquerading as "artists" who sell shitty $30 emergency commissions with a sob story to pay rent (which they spend on new shiny fandom merch) but then ditch the commissions due to "mental stress" after getting the money. And since the amount of money spent is relatively small the client eventually gives up rather than attempts to fight it. It's a very common hustle. Actual professionals making real money with commissions (think $200+ per piece) know what's at stake and don't try to pull a fast one.
The original anon going "THIS IS WHY AI IS REPLACING YOU!!!" is a retarded cryptobro refugee though and shouldn't be interacted with
>>1707881>this weird webcomic called Sinfest
Man it hurts to realize you've been around long enough to remember when Sinfest made the shift from an iconic 4-panel gag comic with risque humor known by literally everyone online into the feminist format and faded into obscurity. It was a huge uproar in the online artist circles back then and it feels weird to realize it was more than a decade ago iirc.
I think the initial feminist narrative was pretty good and he reflected on women and our struggles pretty adequately for being a man, to the point I even wondered if the strip was being ghostwritten by a radfem girlfriend or something, but then he started slipping again towards the antivaxx conservatoid deep end and made the comic just a less white supremacist version of Stonetoss. Which honestly reflects what happened to a lot of online gendercrit spaces. His art is still amazing though. >>1707913
Yeah, it's grim. At least I've seen some ex-altrighters openly reject their ideas and apologize for falling into the pipeline as vulnerable teenagers so I guess you lose some and you gain some.
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Jesus christ the last time I read Sinfest it was still just about how prostitution and sex work dehumanizes women and now he's deadass drawing unironic comics about the great replacement conspiracy, anti-Ukraine and climate change denialist shit. What a waste of talent. His art is so good and he has great storytelling skills and they're spent on this. What the hell happened?
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>makes the most basic furry design you can imagine
> Do not color pick
> Do not reference
> There will be consequences
Why are furfags like this?
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>>1709162> I thought about overweight Twitter trannies dying
why not all? popular twitter art troons either turn out to be diapurfurs or pedos puppychan
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Every now and again this artist goes on some angry rant about other artists stealing her outfit designs or copying her art. But then recently she's even said that crediting her for style inspiration isn't "classy"? I've never heard of an artist getting pissed that someone credited them as an inspiration lol
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why are all popular wester twitter artists so fucking bad at art? i dont wanna start an east vs west debate, i know there are tons of talented western artists, but the popular ones are always so terrible at art compared to japanese artists who have less followers but are miles more talented.
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Really it's not just troons. It's mostly just bored fat teenage girls online.
I'm thinking of what this anon >>1700944
said:>Why is it always women that draw content targeted toward women being called out and targeted?
Because it's mostly chronically online teen girls starting drama over fucking nothing, which is really a shame. Do you think a single one of those South Park profile picture accounts are run by someone with a penis? They're not even trannies. Well a lot of them are, but they're TIF/fakeboi/ftms.
People really need to stop giving a shit about what kpop stans and other worthless retards say on Twitter. Stop giving weight to it, these people haven't even graduated high school. I feel like all the YouTube drama channels that have cropped up since the mid 2010s are really contributing toward letting those types get their way because they include screencaps and sentiments regurgitated by them. They have no soul and parasitize everything.
They are vile, worthless people. And before you say "they're just teenagers" I would not have done what they do online as a teenager, and none of my friends would have. They are not going to "grow out of it". They never do. All these nasty Twitter ftm 15 year olds are going to either get really fat and move from place to place in hovels with other trannies for the rest of their lives while e-begging, or kill themselves. They will never contribute anything valuable to the world. Why are so many teens furries now? Fuck Gen Xers and Millennials for giving their kids unrestricted internet access
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What's your opinion on Ohuhu markers? I own about 50 copics and I love them but I'm thinking getting some Ohuhu ones for practice drawings.
i mean its goes both ways you also find some godawful art in the east thats popular too, most Popular
western artist never improve? theyre stuck making the same suldge theyve making since it gets them follows i mean look at cyraine and ross fundamentally sure the illustration looks good but you cant get past the holier than thou attitude they have(aka kooleen) these artists cant understand that what may be good for them wont be for others look at naoki hes in the same sphere but he never changes the artstyle of the pieces he gets just corrects them to look good
Which part pissed you off nonnie
? I was unaware of this drama and I just watched. Fractal county was such a douche and the misogynistic wojack shit was disgusting, but kek at him laughing at a fat fetish tranny.
Kek that's true, I was surprised I hadn't heard anything about this or puppychan on here. It seems like those were two bigger situations in the community>>1709203
Western artists oftentimes get popular for their personality or looks, not only the actual art. It's also just a completely different environment with very different influences, so the art that's made looks different. I'm kind of jealous of weebs and anyone who grew up with anime because their art started out as at least somewhat appealing while I was trying to imitate ugly ass tumblr and deviantart slop because I just didn't know anything else and as a kid I couldn't tell how bad it was
Honestly I noticed the average western artist blows up because of memes, not much else (maybe coom and yet memes still top it). In every fandom I've been in you have very talented western artists with 1-5k and then people who post shitty but consistent doodles with the meme of the day/week with 30k or more.
I don't see this happening with asian communities, first of all they don't seem to care as much about meme shit. Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create. In the west if you're not grinding daily (which implies lower quality art) I've found that people get bored and constantly unfollow. Meanwhile my japanese followers will follow me for years and still interact even when I completely changed the subject matter of what I post kek.
It's not that western artists are shittier, it's that the western audience is shittier. Plus it makes our artists less motivated to try or improve when they can shit out Reimu drinking grimace shake in a white void in mspaint and get 50k likes.
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>>1709357> Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create
nayrt but my mind is always blown by the level of detail and patience of most jap artists, these people will spend 8h MINIMUM on a single piece and take care of the tiniest details, it's really something to think about.
Whereas most western artists that blow up that you talk about, their art is so subpar it would be an offense to even compare them to a jap artist.
And I say this as someone who's been on pixiv for 15 years, in Japan being able to draw is something that is considered normal.
Given how much the west's artists and people in general have their dopamine receptors fried because of social media, seeing artists who really pour in effort to their work gives me hope
But those who get bored and unfollow aren't a loss anyway, you want people to follow for your art, not flavor of the month memes/art . And here I get to another subject: drawing popular stuff because that's what gets you followers. But that's another topic for some other time
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I have noticed that Japanese artists never stop practicing either. Aruurara is by all means a pro, but you see him streaming his daily figure drawing sessions and talking about the new drawing books he picked up. A bunch of Japanese artists also have side accs where they post their studies, I don't think I have ever seen that with a western artist asides Pika, they normally settle on a shitty style and stagnate. How bleak, at least we aren't on the tumblr steven universe era anymore, although it's still less cancerous than the mspaint doodle of anime girl doing something quirky era that were are witnessing right now.
>>1709357>first of all they don't seem to care as much about meme shit. Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create.
Asian artists definitely fold harder than western artists under pressure, so in my headit must be that their fandom encourages experimentation. Ah, my favorite artist is drawing for a completely different interest now? Splendid, instead of throwing an entire autistic tantrum of "why aren't you drawing X anymore??" I'm going to support them. You know? Feels like they have stronger support systems. I don't know how to describe it, they just do shit. They just draw things. Not to say there's no fandom drama or petty bickering (there is, lots) but they seem to stick together for most of the time. They don't just exclusively seek out memes and shitposts to retweet. They see something they like they pass it around.>Meanwhile my japanese followers will follow me for years and still interact even when I completely changed the subject matter of what I post kek.
I have a mixed bag of friends from different asian fandom regions and one of the most surprising things they have told me recently is that they usually make the jump from twitter to other platforms. Meanwhile in the west we build a platform on somewhere else (tumblr, newgrounds, etc) and make the jump to twitter. What does that tell me? I don't know. I feel like twitter is far more successful when you bring in an audience from somewhere else and have them boost your ratings. Then your art actually appears on people's pages… It makes me curious now. I'm going to ask some of them to see if they agree with these notions now.>it's that the western audience is shittier. Plus it makes our artists less motivated to try or improve when they can shit out Reimu drinking grimace shake in a white void in mspaint and get 50k likes.
Agree completely, unfortunately. And it's been this way for a hot minute now. It's demoralizing. You can make something really good and even if it gets a very good amount of reshares with compliments, it will always be overshadowed by some meme or humorous thing you did. And it made me think, why not make shitty memes and shitposts to bait people into following you and then post what you want? After all it's common knowledge(?) nobody gives a fuck about your original content before you build an audience on fanart. Some of my more popular friends did this exact method and it worked for them. Somehow it feels like you're holding a net out, you'll fail to catch the people that just want their daily consoom dose to-go (they always unfollow in the end), but you'll catch those that genuinely like your style.
About your first point; yes and no. Japanese fandom is absolutely autistic about tagging your art with the 'right' tags to make sure it only ends up visible to those that want to see it. For example I'm a fan of a joseimuke game, and the fandom for those that ship BL and those that ship yume exist entirely outside of one another. And yes, they get very upset if you fuck up your tagging and your yume fanart ends up on BL timelines.
Secondly it's more common for artists to make accounts just for one fandom, so once they move on they just stop posting there and you have to hope you happen to find them again.
>>1709541>Japanese fandom is absolutely autistic about tagging your art with the 'right' tags
NTA but god, I saw this happen a few months ago. I follow this one JP artist (whose entire page is her art of a game series) who did a collab with a popular Vtuber, drawing her with the MC of said game because she started to stream it.
DeepL only could get me so far, but from what I understood looks like the artist tagged the art wrong and she had an avalanche of angry people barking at her on her askbox, so much it remains closed today and her account was locked for a bit. She also received some "waah waah we follow you for [game], stop drawing the Vtuber, we don't care" messages.
It surprised me a lot, specially since she's kind of a profesional artist, I thought people would be more respectful.
Oh wow, I only marginally remember that. Admittedly I don't do ship stuff anymore so that makes sense. Thanks for correcting me. Does anyone happen to know how Japanese fandoms differ from Korean or Chinese fandoms?>so once they move on they just stop posting there and you have to hope you happen to find them again.
How does that even work? It feels so hard to get the twitter algorithm to pick you up if you're just starting from scratch, am I just stupid?>>1709555>and they almost all made private twitter accounts so they can just occasionally shitpost with their friends.
No kidding. Nobody wants to deal with social media anymore. I even see some non artists here and there commenting and/or complaining that everyone's gone insular. Everyone's got some little private this or that with like 5 to 10 to 20 with no moderation and trusted friends just shooting the shit now.>>1709557
I actually prefer tag autism and I think a lot of fandom drama would be diminished if everyone properly tagged their shit and filtered out stuff they don't want to see and just stayed in their respective lane.
This. It's the smallest most miniscule effort at being courteous to tag your shit and I don't get why people act like you're asking them to jump to the moon if you request proper tags.
>Can you even blacklist tags on twitter?
You can mute any word so it doesn't show up on your feed so yes. I've muted ships, series and characters that I don't want to see and it works great, but a lot of aloof artists just don't bother with tagging and I guess it's fine if you're a small artist but when your art consistently gets 200+ retweets it would be polite to add at least a tag for the ship and the source. A lot of people like to browse the algorithm feed because the chronological feed gets clogged up by a lot of unrelated casual tweets so your art might show up for them even when they're not following you.
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I posted because it's visually pleasing with a nice level of detail, if I wanted to post an 8hr+ one I'd upload something else
You can post something you consider better if it's not to your liking, if that's mediocre than I don't want to see western mediocrity>>1709641
Wouldn't call myself a weeb but the soulless anime art you're refering to is probably the ultra generic cute/moe style which is prevalent everywhere nowadays, which I'm also not a huge fan of regardless of how pretty or shiny the colors are,pic related
It's hilarious this was posted as some sort of amazing art piece when anons ITT were shitting on an artist for daring to have more then a hundred followers for drawing generic fanart here >>1708270
just because the artist for the first one is Japanese doesn't somehow make it better.
Also if we're talking general 'cute' artists that just draw cute girls, there's significantly better artists around then what you've posted.
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Yeah except only people who don't know how to do digital art and professionals who make their own 3d models and stamp brushes use those type of crutches. One is trying to find a shortcut because they don't know how to draw and they're too lazy to learn how to, the other is most likely in a time crunch.
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Maybe you should try Harvest Moon or Rune Factory games Nonna. They're all mostly drawn in chibi or a more simple art style, and the boys are drawn just as cutesy as the girls. All the games have different art styles so maybe someone will strike your fancy