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A thread to discuss the disdain around cats, their owners and cat culture in general.
Cat lovers, please see this thread >>>/ot/1323616
I hate people who let their cats out. I have a neighbor who moved in less than a year ago and he lets his cat roam during the warmer season. That cat has followed me to my apartment twice already and to my in laws car several times. They opened the back door to leave and it jumped in. I'm very allergic to cats, so handling it is a pain. I've brought the cat back to my neighbor before and even contacted the HOA, but they can't or won't do shit.
I'm not the only neighbor who has complained either.
“Lying in peoples windows” kek
And I was dating a guy over summer and he and his female roommate had two cats.
They kept one litter box in the KITCHEN and another on the top of the stairs. Litter was all over the stairs carpet and the kitchen always stunk. Smelled because his house was a general shit hole and the cat shit combined. Barf.
I don't hate cats but I really don't fucking understand how it's fine for cat ownners to let their cats piss, shit and hunt in other people's property. They'll get really upset at off leash dogs (rightfully so) but then they expect everyone to be fine with their cats roaming around and if some accidents happen (like dogs biting cats that come into their yards, wild animals killing them or cars accidentally running them over at night) it's never their own fault of course. Eveyrone has to bend over backwards to let their cats have a stroll and play because they really can't be bothered to do it themselves.>>1438285>Thankfully they did recover, and they used dogs as herd protection after that and never had a problem.
This. People forget that cats are untrained (and untrainable in many cases) predators and will absolutely try to hunt small livestock like rabbits and chickens. Meanwhile there are dog breeds specifically bred and selected to guard livestock without killing, and they've been used successfully for hundreds of years. And my town's full of free-roaming cats but there are still a lot of rats around, so they don't even hunt pests that much. I've seen them hunt local birds a lot more.>>1438096>Her entire arms and hands were covered in cat bites and scratches and she just accepted it instead of training the cat.
An animal that can easily jump up to your face and on your furniture being clearly aggressive is fine, but oh my god that shaking chihuahua that can't jump or hunt is a literal baby killer!!
I hate their high prey drive, I hate how they shit and piss inside, I hate how if they piss in a room or on an item it's basically fucking ruined worse than second hand smoke, I hate their nasty infectious mouths, I hate their super sharp claws and how they have to scratch up fucking everything, I hate how their food smells, I hate their nasty tongues, I hate their creepy slit eyes, I hate their tiny freak teeth, I hate their annoying screams and yowls especially outside at night, I hate how catfags always have at least 2-3 and their home smells like fucking shit, I hate how cat owners just let outside cats roam then shrug when it gets flattened by a car and they just by another. Sociopath behavior.
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me reading this after i just called my cat a chungus bungus stinky winkie slinky binky fattie catty and made a song about him
I don’t hate cats, but after growing up with cats and dogs and having them all my life, I’m kinda happy to be moved out and no longer own animals. Everyone acts like cats are soooo easy, they’re soooo clean, perfect apartment animals, etc., but they’re a lot of work and they damage your stuff. Cleaning litter boxes is gross and annoying, cat food smells awful, they will damage stuff with their claws even if they have scratching posts everywhere, it’s just the nature of them having such sharp claws. They will also find any little small space in your house and craw in and get stuck or mess it up. One of my old cats got stuck in this tiny space inside of our couch and peed inside of it, ruining the whole couch. I still don’t hate cats, but I hate people who act like they’re such easy animals to take care of, you need to do a lot of cleaning and cat-proofing before getting a cat.
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I love my psychotic elusive antisocial baby. I will coo at her until she dies or I die, those just the facts
Aww don't listen to the haters nonna that's cute>>1441222
I am full on toxoplasmosis cat lover #1 but you are right. I fucking hate people who let their cat out to hunt small animals or hurt themselves. And how people see them as disposable, and let them out after they get bored. And they of course don't neuter the cats and they multiply like crazy. I feel awful for all the cats let out especially now when it's really cold outside and tons of snow where I live.
>>1441238> I still don’t hate cats, but I hate people who act like they’re such easy animals to take care of, you need to do a lot of cleaning and cat-proofing before getting a cat.
Same. I enjoy volunteering at shelters, but I'm not planning on adopting any animals any time soon. Including cats, even though I love them a lot. They take way more effort than people want to admit, if you want to prevent behavioral problems and keep them safe. Btw wood cat pellets are the easiest to clean and reduce smell, you can just dump all the contents (you only need a small layer on the bottom) into the bin everyday and easily clean the litter box without it sticking to the sides. I do judge people who use generic cat litter and only scoop it, rarely fully cleaning the litterbox, when their cat isn't particularly picky and they haven't even tried wood pellets. I also judge people who think it's funny that their cat attacks them, instead of identifying how they are annoying or overstimulating their cat.>>1441258
If you learn cat logic, they're more logical, simple and predictable than humans, but few people care to actually learn it. Instead projecting human emotions on them ("the cat is peeing on this to get back at me!" instead of realizing their cat has a UTI, kidney issues, hates the litter, think the litter box is too high, doesn't like the lid), misinterpreting cat body language as if it's a dog (thinking showing belly means wanting a belly rub instead of being a universal cat sign of "I feel comfortable enough to show you where my vulnerable organs are")>>1441247
Spaying isn't going to save your cat from their own version of aids
So you got a cat but you refused to properly train her to stay inside like any other pet.>she is her whole self when she is allowed outside
So is literally any other pet, but I bet you would be pissed at a dog roaming free and shitting in front of your house. You are irresponsible, you are putting your own cat and local small fauna at risk because you don't want to train it to stay inside or you don't want to get a leash and use that.
Either way dogs are infinitely worse than cats. My cat adores being outside, and becomes a listless zombie inside whether I play with her or not. (She haaaates playing with toys)
Kids used to roam outside all day long you realize this??? Until molesters became a national horror. Anyhow my cat gets Along very well outside. Either way not keeping her cooped inside to become depressed because I have to live with that daily.
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You're bad at playing, you're not providing enough enrichment inside and you're unnecessarily exposing your cat to danger.
Climate change is annihilating insects, which annihilated and starves birds yes.
My cat NEVER brings birds back. Only rodents and tree rats. But even then it's super rare
People expose themselves to danger everyday, it doesn't stop them from going outside.
I know I'm not because I've had cats who adore playing. She's too smart for it she gets bored.
Either way cry me a river I'm not going to stop letting her live her life kek
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Not every cat is the same. Some are bush dwellers, some are tree dwellers. Some prefer if you use the toy to emulate a bird, others prefer if you use the toy to emulate a mouse. There are different techniques. People don't expose themselves to HIV everyday, most people don't get into fights regularly or have unprotected sex with complete strangers.
It is absolutely freakish imagining a creature spending its entire life in 1000-2500 Sq feet. Get the Feral population down yeah, neuter your cats yeah but it sounds like keeping your child indoors all your life because you're afraid of getting hurt or what they do. It's crazy and irrational and cruel honestly. Especially these people who keep cats in apartments yikes.
A window isn't a TV, you just treat your cat like a stuffed toy you can do with what you want.
I'm not a farmer I just let my cat outside to live her life some of the time shes an indoor/ outdoor cat.
I'm aware there are risks. If she wAnts to stay inside she can but, I know how crazy she gets when she doesn't. Same as how crazy I'd get if someone forced me to live inside. I can't turn off the guilt it would consume me either way. I go outside and expose myself to everything that's out there, it's exactly the same. Someone could come shoot me at my job, or rob me or God knows what. So? I still fucking go outside
Says the person trying to argue that cats didn't evolve on farms and aren't living/ sentient.
So what are they to you damn livestock to keep rotting on your couch ?
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Cats still didn't evolve for thousands of years alongside cars and tractors. Nor is the FIV and other illnesses worth it. No-kill cat sanctuaries exist, you can catify your house and provide enough enrichment, build a catio, you can walk your cat, follow the natural play/hunt-feed-sleep schedule, you can actually learn how to properly play with your cat instead of lying that they don't like playing etc. All you're doing is revealing how you're a massive retard who doesn't provide enough enrichment to their cat, doesn't take in account that cats have different personalities and playstyles, so you think the only thing a cat can do is rot on your couch and that the only other alternative is exposing them to FIV and potentially being run over.
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nta I was imagining this the whole time
I think cats look cute, but could never own one because of a similar experience. My ex owned an old male cat and whenever I would visit his house, there was cat litter everywhere on the floor. The cat had to eat special food and even then, would still barf a lot. The cat was neutered, but he still would pee on walls and poop in shoes if he was "in a bad mood" (that's how my ex put it). Cat pee smells awful and not to mention, you can't be near a cat's litter box while you're pregnant. The cat would also do biscuits on stuff and cause holes, try to sleep on my face, and other really annoying stuff.
Maybe this was an owner issue as well, but this experience ruined the thought of owning cats for me. Some cats are very calm and I've met a few of those, but others are very spastic and chaotic. And no matter what, I just don't want a pet that pees and poops in a box in the house.
You are the worst kind of person. "My poor kitty wants to stay outside and kill all the birds. WHo am I to stop them?"
You can build outside doors for your cat with netting and such so they wont harm wildlife. I will never in my life understand cat owners who just cant keep their cat inside.
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A decade ago, two randoms cats decided to use our parking lot as a giant litter box. Every morning, they shat and peed right fucking there and let me tell you: the smell was unbearable, nauseating, vomit inducing. The fumes of their waste amplified by the hottest summer we had in years permeated the place and the odor was so strong you could get dizzy, and no matter how many times we cleaned it, it smelled like shit (and rancid pee). Eventually someone adopted those mfs and we could finally have a breath of fresh air
Tardjanny, I promise you I did not respond to my own two hour old post, you need to stop redtexting shit when you're this bad at "clicking the wrong ip," you just banned an innocent nonnie
for using the same vpn as me(You did, retard.)
Nta but:>Noooo don’t believe the farmhands who see everything I say and do and get redtexted for! Believe me, a random samefagger.
So you, as a janny, monitored the ip address of every post in the cat hate thread for hours
, waiting for someone to samefag
But when someone spams seizure-inducing gifs and nikacado avocado's gaping anus for hours
, you're nowhere to be seen
This is our moderation staff's priorities, well this and banning black women for complaining about medical malpractice and cancer patients for whining about having cancer
I don't exactly know what's happening here, but sometimes anons can share an IP or a VPN. There have been multiple cases of anons getting bans for posts they didn't make because they got the IP of another anon. >>1442013>cancer patients for whining about having cancer
When was this?
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Last night, check it out, this is the farmhand's response after two people said wtf about it on meta
She was redtexted as ((seething)) in the vent thread
''she'' knows who she is, ban evades just like the troon, i remember when she joined the lolcow discord server, i also talked with her.
Thats all im going to say. Ugly racist ana-chan with a forehead the size of the solar system. Its hard to explain if you havent interacted with her. Not going to post her image which she posted in this site to prove she is a woman after everyone thought she was a troon because she kept on spamming the whole site.
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They are they worst. They try to claim that TNR will eventually decrease the population (studies show that’s not true), but how long are they expecting us to wait? So much damage will have already been done. And imo it’s way more cruel to make the cats slowly succumb to the outdoors than put them down humanely. It seems to be more about people making themselves feel better rather than actually helping cats. Feral cat advocates are some of the most unhinged people I’ve ever had to deal with. I wish they would instead put their passion and energy into building enclosed sanctuaries for feral cats that can’t be homed or something.
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>>1442023>When was this?
in the vent thread
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My issue is mostly with lazy/negligent owners more than anything else.
When I was a teenager, I went to a friend's house for a sleepover. Her room had a little reading loft (similar to picrel), and while I was climbing up there she said, "don't go up there, my cat pooped there." Sure enough, there were a bunch of piles of wet cat shit up there. What the fuck, why wouldn't you immediately clean it up? I've met a lot of cat owners that are just weirdly ambivalent about having poop in their living space like that, or take forever to clean up after the animal.
I actually like cats just fine, and after volunteering at a shelter, I've realized that they do really well when they have a room to themselves (even if it's somewhat small, like the size of a bathroom) especially if they have a cat friend in the space to hang out with. That way they don't walk on the counter, they have the privacy they need, they won't destroy furniture, and you can always find them if you need to. One of the scariest things about having a cat would be having to evacuate your home and not knowing where the cat is on short notice.
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What an odd little thing to lie about.
We've already established that using the same vpn would cause this phenomenon.
That's hardly the point now though, you're seriously revealing anon's ips now for this? Jesus christ have some dignity
Hold up now, if that's how you click IPs to ban them, then it really
doesn't make sense that you "accidentally" banned cancer-chan.
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I was about to say. It's not unheard of for people using VPNs or mobile data to end up with an IP that's been used or even banned here, but it seems extremely unlikely that a coincidence like that would happen to a pair of people posting in the same thread within a few hours of each other.
I'm thinking anon just samefagged the piss fumes thing because she realized it would be a funny thing to add to her post after it was too late to go back and edit.
>>1442207>you're seriously revealing anon's ips now for this>it's a VPN!!
IKR. It's not a huge faux pas to respond to yourself but lying about is just cringe>>1442225
Yeah, but was it a recent ban? This has happened to me once or twice but the post that got banned was months if not years old.
I don't even care of the bitch did samefag at this point, a farmhand is being petty enough to break their own rules and post screencaps of what they're at least assuming is someone's ip for making one extra post about cat piss fumes is wildly unprofessional.
We've already got one farmhand "accidentally" banning multiple people in the vent thread not for violating rules but for saying shit that they don't like, now they can post our IPs if they feel like it? Not good for any of us(Rachelfag/Troon)
No, her cat is different, he's a super special soul that will die of sadness if kept locked inside like rapunzel >>1442258
This thread has a huge target on it this is obviously some weird tactic to get it deleted
The other day I was cleaning up after a cat at the shelter, and I saw a mouse run along the wall literally two feet from the cat and he did nothing. I'm not sure he even saw it. Then again, this particular cat is kind of a sickly old fart, so maybe he was just too elderly and lazy to give a fuck.
It probably also depends on the breed of the cat and its living environment. A cat that spent its whole life indoors in a clean space with no vermin probably isn't going to know what to do with an actual mouse, and neither will any kittens it has (because kittens learn to hunt from their mothers typically.) I feel like effective mousers are generally feral or barn cats raised by other similarly feral cats. This isn't to say that cuddly companion cats never control vermin, it's just that they generally catch stuff just when they feel like it, so if they're not in the mood to hunt or play, they're not going to go after a mouse even if they see it in their living space.
None of the crew are allowed to reveal someone's ip history unless admin has investigated thoroughly and given the okay personally.
No link because it's in the staff discord as it only applies to them(they are allowed considering the poster is a permabanned troll who keeps ban evading and spammed this site after being banned for racebaiting over the new ariel movie months ago)
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In English, a mascot is just meant to represent some kind of official entity, typically a sports team. Sometimes mascots are real animals, like Ralphie the Buffalo, but usually they're just people in costumes. They don't even necessarily have to be animals, for instance the Sun Devils have a demon mascot.
Animals that live in your home with you are "pets" or "companion animals." Or if you want to be cringey, "fur babies."
>>1442057>I wish they would instead put their passion and energy into building enclosed sanctuaries for feral cats that can’t be homed or something.
TNR doesn't work? I'll look into it, but yeah generally sanctuaries are the best option. I think it's unpopular due to how much it costs to buy a big plot of land and the running costs. Compared to TNR and being done with that cat. Main reason TNR is done because if you kill cats, you get public outcry and treated the same way PETA was for doing it while claiming to care about animals. So that's the last thing anyone would do.>>1442262
Maine Coons love hunting mice. Just play with them while pretending the toy is a mouse vs a bird. They are natural mouse hunters. Even Maine Coon mixes show this behavior. Maybe it's also because they're bigger.
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If you don't use a private browser/delete cookies regularly they can also connect different ips with the same browser cookie history. That's how kiki got exposed. You can read up on it here:https://lolcow.farm/kiki.html
you serious right now?>>1442230
this tbh. it would exonerate a lot of anons.
I feel this. All of my friends love
cats and while I don't outright hate them I just don't really feel anything towards them. They're "cute, I guess" but nothing much more. I go crazy over dogs and puppies so it's not like I'm not an animal person but people showing me "cute cat photos" just doesn't do it for me. I always make sure not to say anything about this out loud in order not to hurt their feelings but then they see it fit to complain about dogs all the fucking time despite knowing that I love them. >>1441001
This. Small dogs like terriers and wild foxes are actually the best form of pest control for the reasons you mentioned. Cats couldn't kill a rat, they lack enough mass and power. >>1441210
It's okay nonna, I babytalk dogs all the time like this.
I want to like cats, I really do, but they are just not the animal for me. A friend asked me to cat sit and I agreed, hoping that maybe I would see the light, but at the end of my 3 weeks of cat sitting… I still just didn't like them. They were funny and quirky in their own way, but at the end of the day I would not want a cat of my own.
They were destructive and their claws hurt, and I tried my best to wear them out by playing with them a lot but they still wouldn't let up clawing at the couch (which my friend asked me to try and get them not to do, and he had bought multiple different types of scratching posts for them). One of them never wanted to play with toys but only wanted to play with my feet under the covers when I went to bed (i.e. clawing at them), which is like ha-ha yes fun game but please let me sleep. They were always knocking things over, which isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, but I was afraid one of them was going to knock off this giant hanging poster my friend had in his living room. They also kept walking on the stove (which he warned me they would do) so I was terrified of them going up on it and burning their paws. He covered his stove in aluminum to try and discourage it but it doesn't bother them.
This is also a me problem but they're just really hard for me to read. They'll come up for pets and the next thing you know I've got scratches up my arm. I just avoided petting them or pet them for short periods of time because risking getting scratched wasn't worth it.
Cats are natural predator animals. Sometimes when we pet them for too long or in certain ways it can trigger
their hunting instincts. They don’t mean to hurt you, it’s more common in younger cats and a lot of cats stop doing it as they age. If you want to know at all.
Weird the foil didn’t stop them? Did they always go up on your friends counters?
>>1442688>Weird the foil didn’t stop them? Did they always go up on your friends counters?
They rarely get up on the counters, it's only the stove they're interested in. He said one of them will sometimes get up on the fridge and will jump up on the counter first, but it's rare and it didn't happen when I was catsitting. He always discourages it regardless and tells them to get off when he sees/hears it.
Thanks for the explanation on the hunting instincts though! I didn't know that.
Sometimes cats will get bored of getting petted and decide they want to play instead. They're fickle like that. A lot of cats like to play rough, too, with claws and teeth. That's the main reason cats do that annoying "bear trap" thing, where they roll over and let you pet their belly only to latch onto your arm. They think it's a game.
Whenever I visit someone's house and they have a cat, I'm careful to pet its side instead of it's belly when it rolls over, that way it can't trap me. I have to be really careful not to get scratched too much, because I'm allergic and it gives me hives.
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Whenever I see people gushing about tourist locations full of cats in places like Japan and Greece, I just think about all the destruction. I can't find it cute or charming at all. The places are often islands too, which means they usually have sensitive endemic species. As an island nation, Japan has a lot of endemic species, but it seems like they care way more about cats than they do their native animals. It's sad. https://www.publish.csiro.au/wr/WR14161
warning : novel
I love cats, i'm just here to complain about unstable people owning cats. THere's a very popular ragdoll breeder on instagram i've been following for well over 5+ years and i've seen her go from a very well caring breeder who really was a kind person to absolute turmoil and basically throwing her cats away without any proper explanation that fits her character.
She had a divorce? or break up a couple of years ago that basically made her homeless and with a ton of cats. this started her heavily reliant dependence on her followers to lick her feet for her despair and carry her to the next checkpoint. she needed money to move into a new place and needed a place at all in the bumfucknowhere in sweden and cried endlessly about this for months until she had a place and things were fine. But as the year went on she increasingly and obviously could not handle isolation and being alone. she continued to breed her cats and aquire new queens and sires, she never had issues until recently when her new mothers simply did not want to take care of the kittens or was scared of her own kittens. a lot and i mean unusual a lot of her kittens were weak , small litters, and deaths. this caused her to spiral even more but still continued to post upwards of 10+ times a day of her cats doing anything and everything with occasional rants about her life. her followers would comfort her and tell her it was not her fault and such is the case with breeding anything. just a few would recommend her to take a break but most kept pressuring her that it was okay to keep going. she rehomed several cats during this time so that her other cats were not as stressed and or were not fit to be mothers. she complained of her depression and trying to be treated for it without any sort of progress, and became incredibly sick to the point of hospitalization.
now you would think that someone with 7 cats, and up to this point actively breeding them would go "wow, i could have died recently, i cannot even remember to feed my cats" would quit breeding all together and try and move on with her life. this is a woman with no real social life. all she does is post her cats just staring at something. and occasionally begging.
but no. her "solution" to this problem was to rehome even her most beloved cat she's had for her entire journey of breeding to a new home and many others. with no clear wording about the state of breeding, or even what she was to do with her life. she asked HER FOLLOWERS which cats she should keep. absolutely incapable of making a choice of the cats shes had for years at this point to pick the ones who are most forgiving to her current condition.
she gave no explanation for the cats she picked to rehome and she continued to post overly happy and overly "everything is okay" posts when it's incredibly clear it's forced and her whoopsies like double feeding and forgetting and commenting on the fact she isn't completely okay still. everyone comments how hard it is to et over physical illness but nobody dares to comment on the fact she's incredibly mentally unwell. she needs help and shes continuing to neglect her cats, her home looks so much more dirtier, nobody is helping her. she has little self awareness that she needs to give up and move back to where she can be around people who can help her get bac on track with life instead of completely shutting down the moment something bad happens. why would you own, breed, and post your cats this often when you KNOW you're not healthy? she's never been in a more vulnerable yet promising spot that she could get out of this situation. and maybe one day in the future return to this when she's not crying every day and ruining her life more?
I didn’t notice this double standard of dogs vs cats before, but nonnas are right. You don’t see islands of stray dogs getting popularized. There’s no “catch and release” for dogs. Cats are smaller, yes, but are destructive. And honestly, cats stink everything up worse. >>1444226
Also, being humanely euthanized is better than the cat being run over by a car and having a painful death.
I understand dogs can be destructive, large breeds to an extreme degree (like ripping through doors or some shit), but why is it acceptable if a cat can be destructive? Because the worse you'll have is some broken cups that's been knocked off a table or some scratched up couches or curtains? Why is any pet of any size causing destruction accepted in any degree? Toys exist, scratching posts exists, your animals need to be fulfilled so as to not destroy your shit, or should have their destructive energy/need redirected to something else.
I can't remember if it was a post here or somewhere else but I remember reading some insane rant by someone saying that dog owners must be so far up their own ass and conceited or extremely controlling to want to own a dog, because many dog breeds are eager to please their owners and easy to train. Training a dog is bad… but not training a dog (leading to a potentially feral and extremely dangerous animal) is also not ok…? Cats were superior, because they are smart and independent and not so mindless to be easily trained. Is that really supposed to be a perk?
Last year my bf's friend's cat had a VERY VERY bad bacterial eye infection and he didn't do shit for it. The poor cat's eyes were literally sealed shut by mucous. I was over there to help my bf aid in taking care of his friend's other cat which was a baby and needed a bottle and I tried to help the other cat by wiping it's eyes with a damp rag and it would just run and ride. It frustrated me so much. I sent that scrote a long paragraph about stuff he could do for the cat medwise and he just ignored me. Apparently the cat just got better now according to my bf that visits him but I haven't seen the scrote since and he hates me now apparently. Fuck me right
Catfags are as disgusting as their clawbeasts they don't give a shit about them and see them as disposable. I hate cats but cared more about his cat than him. That's just fucking pathetic. Meanwhile if any of my pets have a minor issue I go straight to the vet. That guy has money too he'd just rather spend it on scrote shit
I'm allergic to cats, but I still like to pet them from time to time. Some cat owners scare me though, they act like cats are some very special category of pet that needs like extra personality traits and a degree in psychology to raise and constantly spy/stalk other cat owners' online pages or even IRL to claim they're mistreating the cat, discuss all the ways they'd totally take care of them better and the real psychos even plan out how they'd steal and rehome the cat.
I know all different pet circles have some psychos, but with a dog, for example, you often see the same faces while out on walks, see what condition they're in, and anyone who'd try to walk up to someone, and get all up in their business, would become a subject of gossip of the nearby dogpark for being a fucking weirdo.
idk if this is necessarily cat hate, maybe more like cat owner hate. i've never had a pet of my own so i have a hard time empathizing with pet owners overall or understanding their neurosis/hysteria when it comes to their pets. i do admittedly like animals though and i like playing with them, caring for them and so on. i've volunteered for a local cat shelter in the past and i found it fulfilled the crave to help and interact with pets whenever i've had that craving. i don't understand the need people feel to acquire a cat of their own when there are overburdened shelters for abandoned/homeless cats. it's pure selfishness to me. pets aren't substitute children, they are just objects of comfort and people who delude themselves otherwise ("i'm a slave to my cat haha" etc) are in denial over this fact. no matter how psychotically meticulous you are in caring for your cat or how much money you spend on it, in the end you have it for your own pleasure's sake and it is your prisoner, not a ~free individual~ that you "love unconditionally".>>1439308
absolutely insane decision making. who thought that would be a good idea?>>1442057>>1442006
hard agree. i just don't understand why you'd be so passionate about feral pets instead of "real" wild animals, many of which are threatened to the point of extinction by habitat destruction etc and actually need advocacy.
You're talking about wild animals that fight for survival, these are pets, looked after by their owners. People started keeping cats around to hunt rodents, now they just kill a bunch of songbirds.
Even in rural areas they're only tolerated if they don't get a taste for hunting birds, the ones that go after chicks and other hatchlings get killed off.
I wanted to generate discussion lol.>>1449997
Yeah cats aren't really domesticated. They're edgy.
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This. I believe in the ones that dislikes the owners (instead of the cats themselves), but I have seen that there is much more disdain for cats than dogs. Dogs are liked by about ~40% and cats and dogs are ~30%, while people who only prefer cats were about ~15%.
However, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but there's a reason why people react less to cats getting abused and hate them. Cats are independent and takes time to know. I checked this thread, and it seems like a lot have fair reasons, though there are a few that painted me as moids. I like dogs, though I also like cats more. I just hope that the nonnies in here don't support killing cats (as a solution for them ruining the ecosystem could be housing them), since I know a lot of people who 100% hate cats do kill them. A lot of scrotes in those subreddits dedicated to hating cats have supported killing kittens and whatnot.It is normal for people to kill cats where I live, especially families of them. My grandma would raise them and feed them and try to take them to humane society, though they always disappeared the next week. Always. I can agree with hating pet owners, I do too. No hate on anyone in this thread!
The difference in the rates of people liking dogs vs people liking cats is likely because one, dogs do love unconditionally and everyone wants to be loved. And it's not that I hate cats, hell, I spend large portions of my job educating the public on how to better take care of their cat physically and mentally because I don't want animals to suffer. But cats are not only more independent, but I do think they understand the concept of revenge on others and won't hesitate to make their displeasure known over petty bullshit.
I wish we took more time and care into the breeding of cats. We spent thousands of years honing dogs into the perfect companion before the Victorian era of pure breeds started messing everything up, but we never did that with cats, just jumped straight to breeding them only for looks.
Nona, when you say no killing, do you mean no euthanizing of cats ever, or do you mean killing them outside a vet office? Because unfortunately, there are too many feral cats and not enough homes. If we truly wished to save the environment and remove the invasive species, it would involve euthanizing many cats.
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I meant killing them outside a vet office. Though the euthanizing is a whole other problem of animals in general, I do believe some vets are a bit pessimistic when not giving animals chances, not all, but some. I think this is just an issue of industrialization though, not them. >>1451367
I agree with this, however a lot of them do kill cats for fun. Where I live, they do things like shooting kittens. Some have done things like bashing them on concrete. There is a lot more abuse of cats more than dogs, I've researched into this topic since I wanted to help at an animal sanctuary. Perhaps the reason why I believe into cats so much is because I relate to them, and why I think most women are like cats, independent and requires time and effort to care for. I have been outcasted by society just like most cats. The most disheartening thing for me is this reality that these cats are not by farms where I am, but by cities. People purposely run over cats, theyve done it to ducks as well here. They will purposely cut off their heads sometimes. What breaks my heart is that the reason sometimes when men hates cats, is because cat's do feel less traction to men, they go more towards to women. Most animals feel more comfortable with women because they know that women would not go on psychotic episodes like men. My issue has to do from historical reasons like europeans, who have gone as far to killing baby kittens just due to the belief that they are diabolical. This is still a huge belief, especially for black cats. I think denying that cats do get abused more is a bit unfair to them. I am posting this for any scrotes reading this, that killing them not for farm related reasons, but for pure torture, is still hurtful because there are people who are trying to better them, who are trying to save them. >>1451445
I understand, though I just wish that cats were not as abused as they were, including dogs. I do not understand why men will care more about dogs (of course, dogs are unconditional and will go to anyone) but will excuse their abuse on cats because cats can lash out when you force yourself on them. It just is very telling to me as a woman. I do not feel comfortable when men hate cats, but when women hate them, I can understand.
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honestly lot of cat owners are like the intj meme of pet owners
>>1451111>Cats take time to know
ok? so do dogs, they have varying personalities not every dog acts like a golden retriever, some are more wary, introverted or less affectionate>>1453077
I like cats and dogs equally but I honestly think cat people are the ones who are pushing the cat people vs dog people narrative
I love you nonnie
. Sorry no one else replied but this is a really good post and I couldn't agree more. When people hate cats they want to kill them. In my own neighbourhood someone was poisoning cats (not strays).
I know this is bait but congrats you got a taker: Because you can tell a human to not recklessly kill birds and other wildlife for fun, and most of them will listen to you.
Cats do not care what you tell them, they're going to engage their hunting instincts in places that did not evolve for their predation and that's why they must be kept indoors or euthanized if they cannot be rehabbed enough to live a healthy life indoors.
I'll quote myself again:>you can tell a human to not recklessly kill birds and other wildlife for fun
I'm not talking about extinctions from mass human modernity, I'm talking about individual trophy hunters and other humans who hunt for fun. They're a tiny minority of "outdoor humans" compared to the proportion of outdoor cats that hunt animals for fun.
Plenty of them do actually. Take a look at what happened to the dodo bird.>>1456660
Humans have caused more harm to wild life than any other species. You being on the intern right now is causing harm to the environment. I guess you need to be euthanized.
Sorry you had to hear it here but that's what comes with being the dominant sapient species on the planet. Regardless of correctness, we're able to make world-altering choices to suit our species' purpose and so that's what we do.
Most of us individually don't have enough of a carbon footprint to matter ecologically (save that ire for celebrity jets or w/e, one of those 15 minute jet trips emits more CO2 than my entire life's car usage twice over I did the math once) so I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make about an individual's internet or car usage? Most individual humans do not remotely approach the sort of devastation caused by an individual outdoor cat. You seem to be misplacing an issue with our society by placing the blame on your average Jane.
Are you seriously saying that outdoor cats cause more harm to the environment and wild life than the pollution caused by driving and even the internet? What about the species of birds extinct because of humans?
>inb4 cats kill for fun!
Humans also kill for fun. Hunting is a hobby for a lot of people and we have killed off numerous species this way.
How many hunters do you know? I used to live in a rural area and still only knew a handful of hunters, out of that small number only one didn't do it exclusively for food. Trophy hunting was more of a thing back in my mom's and grandmom's day unquestionably, but it's fallen out of favor compared to subsistence hunting these days.
I've had to clean off dozens of dead and half dead birds from my auntie's porch because her cat would go out, half-kill something, and then bring it back for her because that's what his instincts told him to do. I don't really belong in this thread because I like cats, but I can also recognize that modern cats do not belong outdoors in areas that did not evolve for them. Ecological devastation caused by humans does not remove the fact that cats are predator animals who have been released in multiple ecosystems that are not designed for them. It's deeply tragic, but it's simple fact that there are invasive animals causing trouble and humans are going to step in and stop it regardless of how cute we think the cars are.
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Not in the US. Picrel is from a 2015 article. It's only gotten worse since then.https://daily.jstor.org/environmental-danger-outdoor-cats/
Here's another one from 2016.https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/moral-cost-of-cats-180960505/
20.7 billion small mammals per year. That is nearly 3x the global human population wiped out annually due to outdoor cats alone. Not even all cats, just pets who are let outdoors and feral cats who don't have a home or owners.
>>1456666>Plenty of them do actually. Take a look at what happened to the dodo bird.
Then those people should be killed. How are you not understanding this super simple concept? Wait, nevermind, it's because you've got the cat shit brain parasites.>>1456666
So you think that all cats, even house cats, should be murdered because they eat meat? Guess we should go kill all the lions then because they "damage the environment."
>>1456697>those people should be killed
Why aren’t you killing yourself then? Your internet usage contributes to pollution. The meat you eat from factory farms does as well. If you aren’t walking everywhere or hunting your own meat you really are a hypocrite. >> So you think that all cats, even house cats, should be murdered because they eat meat?
No I just hate when humans get on their high horse screeching about a species being invasive when we are the main culprits.
>>1456702>Why aren’t you killing yourself then?
Because it's your hang up, not mine. Do you also want me to do your homework and ask your mom if you can sleep over tonight?
And you must want to murder lions because you hate when anything destroys the environment or hurts animals. I'm just keeping you consistent.