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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse!
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Just the same old salt
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
Previous thread: >>>/ot/1177704
Samefren. Just thought I'd start off with an actual topic to discuss.
Have any of you nonas ever owned an Artisul tablet? They have some of their models on sale right now and I'm trying to decide if I want to get one. I've heard good reviews about them (no line jitter unlike other non-Wacom tablets, great performance and design), but I've also heard many complaints that they borderline do not function for some people. Is it worth the purchase?
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>>1259120>Walks around to ask artists for opinions>Accidently picks the proud NFT supporter Jisu as one of these artists>Said supporter is also dripped in Smash related drama>Also has her art be the thumbnail
Um Proko, your research reps?
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>video supposedly about potential clients
>throws in random complaint for half the video about students sending her questions for their class and not even knowing who she is (the fucking audacity)
>would totally do a zoom meeting with a whole class if their teacher just emailed her tho :)
do artists get paid to do student questionnaires?
some client complaints are understandable ngl
she responded to a comment saying they probably had an assignment to reach out to an artist they like and so a teacher email wouldn’t work.
Says the “problem” is that it puts all the “work” on the freelance artist and who spends all their time working to pay the bills constantly.
But she would be delighted to do a zoom call etc to the whole class? (When more than likely it’s only one student from that class who follows her and emailed her.)
How would that not take up even more time than responding to some email questions?
They’re not gonna pay you for your time to answer the questionnaire with your autobiography, and so definitely not for a guest lecture, so why pretend like you’d be interested and not ToTaLlY oFfEnDeD they want your time for free it it’s oh so valuable?
I do not understand a lot of these artists today. Just ignore the emails if they bother you THIS much
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sage for venting
>forgot to sage in og post
>posted in the wrong thread
even if i don't care about internet fame and how i'd actually would nuke any of my account reaching over 1k followers, it gets sometimes sad to draw alone
I suck massive balls at socializing and I can count my fans on my fingertips, and my followers on the number of half of my hand. I don't draw fotm or starchildren OC, I don't pretend to be in the alphabet soup, I'm not that attractive so I can't pose in front of my drawing and finally I just have a newgrounds account because it feels less mind numbing than twitter
My problem is that I have mixed feelings about just knowing I'll never be famous and I just have a handful of clients that love my art and give me pocket money for my comm work. The other day, a client called me a hidden gem.
I am afraid of fame, but the lack of fame and seeing that my art has no visibility as I don't go the easy way out aka FoTM and conventional nsfw drawings, I know it's impossible. There's also the fact I refuse my ocs to be an alphabet soup fest to seem so speshuul and inclusive
I also don't want art to be my carreer, but the gaslighting making one believe than high follower count = good is giving me brainworms
>pic rel is a sketch i've done of the dna girl i've seen in gc back then, but i can't find ref of her so she looks like that one egirl from the game where zoomers didn't get the message and larp as her. I'm sorry for my handwriting but I just wanted to post a sketch I drew for nonnas
Do you have creative friends who also draw/write/make characters and are invested in your work/OCs? I think that's the cure, at least it is for me. I don't use social media at all and art is just a hobby for me, but I have a couple people in my life who are very supportive of me and my stories, and we talk character design and world building all the time, and always share our drawings and wips with each other. It makes the hobby much more fulfilling.
Think more about why you're longing for fame, followers, attention, money, etc. Maybe there's something else in your life or your past that's troubling you, but for some reason you think it would be solved by being a famous artist. Maybe you just need to get off social media, who knows.
I like your doodle btw it's very cute!
Don't know anything about that, but Jisu was sexually abused by a number of big name Smash people while she was still a minor. One of them helped her run her art store, and iirc, when they had a falling out, he had sole legal ownership of the brand and all the artwork under it. Which meant Jisu was no longer able to sell or distribute her own artwork.
She does go through periods where she vanishes for a while or drops projects (the newest nft scandal for instance), but I'd say she's justified in having some mental health problems and PTSD given what she went through for years.
ngl you both need to learn and apply marketing skills. there's plenty of cute/sfw art that gets popular, it just takes different marketing tactics than catering to nsfw niches.
even as someone that does nsfw my art doesn't get a lot of views/likes bc I don't market it very well. Social media is an algorithm game you gotta learn how to run it.
Sucks for her. Was she able to get any legal action against her abusers? If she comes back and then disappears she needs to work on dealing with her past because she’ll be forgotten as an artist soon enough. If she plans to make this her job she’ll need to have support.
I don’t know much about Smash but I remember reading something about Reddit drama mods or abuse etc in that fandom before. It’s not surprising it’s multiple occupancies within that fandom.
I used to have some friends and acquaintances in high school who I could show my art to, and I really miss those days because we would just draw silly shit together and have fun. I was usually the most skilled one but it didn’t even matter because we were just trying to make each other laugh. Now I just have my siblings, and they keep telling me my art is good and that I should get on social media, but I’ve been putting it off because idk if I really want that. I’ve actually started accounts before and made a few posts but it’s nerve racking and feels like too much pressure, and I know it’s not completely rational but I feel like I have to be perfect because I’m exposing myself to the world. It gets to me and then idk what to even draw/post.
I don’t really have an answer, just wanted to vent too. Maybe one day I’ll give it a fair shot, but for now I’ll just enjoy being able to draw whatever/whenever I want with no pressure, even if I do miss the social interaction aspect.
Unrelated but is anyone else extremely put off by the ugliness of the average tiktok thumbnail.
it's so cluttered with text and little icons.
It seems like a lot of artists are getting onto the platform now too which also sucks, it's a worse timesink/numbers game than all of social media combined, hoping the platform dies like Vine.
Booktok and arttok are a bane for artists and creatives. I would like to see that platform die too but I think it’s too popular. Other SMs have adapted that format like IG and YouTube.
Trying to be an artist on that platform seems like a nightmare. You either find crappy tutorials, fotm challenges or drama.
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3 different artist with the same style. how do they even do it? how does one adopt this artstyle?
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Ohisashiburi I’m pretty sure is the og. Be careful tho she draws loli if you plan to study her art.
Go over what defines
an art style. i.e. How does the artist use color, composition, contrast etc.?
Use the basics to examine examples of the art style you want to adopt.
Is their work romantic? More abstract? Is their line work heavy or fine? Do their shadows tend to be harsh or soft? How do they handle hair, eyes and other features?
Then, use qualities about their work that you discover this way and begin to practice them in your own work either one at a time or at a faster pace if you’re comfortable.
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I get where this is coming from (stereotypes are annoying/assigning tropes based on race isn’t a good look) but these people are acting like putting an anime character in a dancer costume is a hate crime
Maybe not a crime but it is very annoying when something is written so obviously by horny dude artists/writers.
This reminds me so much of Primrose from Octopath Traveler. Raped and traumatized by her boss but once you got her away from that and in your party, her “power” was seducing enemies. Lmfao
I used to run in the popular sjw circles, and everytime there was a fight I would see tweets nonstop through their private account. I eventually distanced myself when they start to cannibalize their own friends because they were "problematic
" as in said something stupid once. It was really crazy because these were people who would uplift you and make you feel so important. But if you misstep by an inch, suddenly you're no better than the evil cishet white man. Interestingly, the people who they turned against were usually ~enby~ women or woc
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I know this is old news but I am just now seeing this and I want to know if I have gone crazy or something.
He doesn't own the tiki drummer character and he's not the original artist who created it. Even the original artist who created it probably doesn't own it, it's owned by Disney. It's wrong for the person who clearly used his actual model to claim it as their own work, but the original "thief" here is the guy who decided to model a character that doesn't belong to him in the first place. Kind of ironic he is so insulting toward the Disney contractor that used the model.
I know people really hate Disney for various reasons but can we please stop pretending that what they do doesn't fall perfectly within the law? Granted, Disney is the reason copyright laws and fair use are the way they are today. That is what people should actually be angry about, the principle of the matter and not the legal aspect of it.
Because legally speaking, this guy has no leg to stand on.
Fan art does not fall under fair use if you make no changes to the copyrighted character etc. to make it effectively not that character anymore. Even IF you make no profit from or do not sell the work. And even if you do make changes, it may not be enough to fall under fair use. There are some grey areas but to put it in black and white terms, you don't have the right to copy the character or IP. A lot of companies just don’t bother to go after fan artists because it’s largely not worth it and can look bad just in principle.
But people are acting like what Disney did was literally illegal and this guy can sue.
He didn't even make any derivative changes to the character. He literally just recreated it in a specific medium, released it for free, and then got mad that Disney made money off of their own character.
If the tiki character belonged to some individual artist online and this guy had done the same thing to them, absolutely nobody would be on his side, even on principle because he directly just copied a character that isn't his. People are just up in arms because this character happens to belong to a large company or a company they already hate.
Like am I nuts or has the vast majority of the art community become crazy dumb?
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Lmfao what a loser.>>1265636
Are you a retard? Like what? From a moral standpoint no it’s not shitty and legally he has no leg to stand on. But what’s worse, he appears so homosexual by crying to media outlets lmfao. If that were me, I’d be proud and let people win the battles for me if there’s a need (no need), then again, I’m not a tiktok retard lol. Imagine pretending to be a fan and then it fails because you couldn’t profit from it lol.
How is it shitty if the work is of a character THEY literally own?
They own the entire concept of this character period. Works the same way for these same artists who shit their pants anytime someone even remotely copies their precious OC.
But as soon as Disney takes back what is theirs, they want to throw that shit out the window all of a sudden. Completely retarded and entitled behavior from the art community to the surprise of absolutely no one.
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Dude photographers everywhere must constantly laugh their asses off and wipe their tears with bills at ultra realism artists.
This entire account is just a bunch of paintings with a huge disclaimer: THIS IS A PAINTING NOT A PHOTO
Fucking sure, Jan.
I'd like some of whatever paint thinner you've been drinking. >>1266056
It's shitty to take someone's work without acknowledging them. If, for example, someone drew fanart of your OC and then you used it wherever you wanted without mentioning the artist, that'd be scummy of you, even if it's your character. Even if it's a commission.
Please listen to >>1266300
for your own sake.
Charge more, update your terms to reflect revisions.
I don’t use Twitter so I really don’t know but that just sounds like a major cope
Sorry artists there just aren’t that many commissions out there
it did, because people linked their commission info on outside sites
I use "comm" and it works fine
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It amazes me what hot garbage takes off and gets promoted on Webtoon. This looks like a 12 year old with a how to draw anime book made it. The content over quality meme is too real. It pisses me off because I have a friend who works her ass off on a great web series and is an amazing artist, but she barely gets any recognition over fetish service like this. It's shit like this that makes her wanna quit
This feels like a trans person who is living out how easy a transition could be in an ideal setting, but the fact he just liked dressing up as a girl and not the trans aspect, except the flag and probably nod towards it, feels extremely fetishy and less like it's a fantasy for transition and instead a fantasy for wanting to be a sissy.
Seems like using the guise of trans women to bypass people second guessing the fetish aspect of just dressing up as a girl.
I should've checked beforehand, but it feels a bit of both. I guess the character is
trans, but the way the person writes the synopsis and title makes it sound like it's possibly a low-key fetish. I didn't read everything, but I skimmed a few pages and read some comments and they are trans in the comic, so maybe it is a fantasy of an ideal transition situation?
I'm a "fast" artist or so people around me always told me that, since I'm able to finish a fully rendered piece in a handful of hours if I feel like it.
That however comes at the price of my health, so nowadays I stopped being a "fast artist" and I try to purposefully take a day or two to finish my art for the sake of my own body. It's also good because by taking a longer time to finish a piece, I get to pick up mistakes I failed to notice earlier.
Basically? I'd say it heavily depends on the person. I've known artists who are as fast as I am, and others who need weeks to finish something. Plus, I wouldn't say that being "fast" is a good thing speaking from my own experience.
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I usually just speed scroll past any artists that post selfies, but how tf did she think this was a flattering look?https://twitter.com/Pockicchi/status/1549405309856268292
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ugly girls can’t have nothing in this world, can they?
Personal tip, You shouldn’t compare times with artists because it’ll really drain you. Some artists with high details/realistic work can take less than 4 hours (or even 10-20 mins) while others take a whole day or even more. Same with artists with shit art.
With that said, try to work at your own pace. Just because you “work fast”, doesn’t or shouldn’t mean that you’re better as an artist
Globalcomix seems to be decent enough. Dillyhub is confusing but might be worth looking into.
If your friend is really good, she can wait until Hiveworks' applications are open and try to pitch her series.
huge fucking shoes
entered to her account and her art seems weird for porn twitter tbh
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Samefag…anyway i'm really salty and just sad about money, This artist Miles-DF is amazing and all but he/she sells an Ych for 1 year worth of pay where i live. I could take the time and paint a picture of this quality, even more detailed, but nobody would buy it for that kind of money from me. It's all about the name and luck to be on the right website at the right time so enough rich people see you. I'll never be so lucky.
You’re too sweet, thank you, same for you!>>1269566
I’m sorry, I know how frustrating it is that that guy gets to sell everything in minutes when there are higher skill artists. Are you making sure to do YCHs, gay NSFW and cartoon style? Those are the themes that seem to attract the most. Scrotes love their specific scrotey kinks and gross hyper explicit perspective.
I wish you luck nonnie
, don’t lower your prices if you can avoid it. If they want pieces from you they should pay for it.
Is that $5,200…. DOLLARS?
That price is honestly insulting. Who tf is buying a furry picture instead of a car
sometimes i do them but i gotta do more, i'm thinking about animating somethig gay and weird. Thanks.>>1269576
i guess it's the gucci of furryart
This. Generally speaking if artists stopped taking in these "$30 emergency commissions" just to squeeze out a few bucks they would already weed out most unpleasant and entitled clients by having higher prices. >>1268769
I really don't see what's wrong with this or why it warrants posting here. It's just a generic pink poofy outfit that you can think is cringe if you're not into that sort of thing but it's not offensive or anything. It's just a dress and shoes and I don't even see what exactly makes her a cow, it just seems to be another generic not-quite-anime artist with a self-insert marysue. People really should stop bringing their petty twitter feuds here.
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This is sad but true. OP is a troon who draws big boobed furry girls though why is he complaining about shit like this
I mean I can understand how it’s jarring for fanartists to draw characters much more attractive than they really are (fujos drawing paul dano as a pointy chin yaoi boy
) but him complaining about woman drawing attractive men while he draws pornified female characters is peak moid irony.
It's just like that when you have the disposable income and already have your needs taken care of for the most part.
not to mention depending on where you get it from or how much of a deal it is, a 5200 car might cost more in maintenance and repair.
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What’s with artists drawing super masculine men and going, “She/Her,” cause that’s one masculine women.. l
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If feminine anime characters like that Astolfo guy can be male, then it makes sense to me there’d be artists who go the opposite direction.
What do you think of pic related? She’s a butch lesbian and I’m curious how anons would see her since threads have mentioned butches before
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the only artists that draws men like on the right is Araki. He couldn't sound more jealous even if he tried, he's too coombrained to differentiate between attractive men and gay caricatures from 50's cartoons.
But nobody said she was or wanted to be a man >>1270749
Doesn’t really stick out as like attractive to me but I’m sure she’s cute
Haha this fucker is so salty, I love to see them seething.>>1270604
It's most likely her trying to make a cool female characters but failing because she only knows how to draw hot men. I see this a lot in bl korean webtoons as well, if there's a female character often it's just a man drawn with boobs or something that looks like a tranny.
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You're right. If you check the artist's other works it becomes obvious that it's just a masculine woman and that they barely even draw men. What is a butch supposed to look like according to anons kek does she have to have curves and long eyelashes or what?
this reads more female than >>1270604
because you can see her boobs in the first one
women will never have broad shoulders like a man. her hairline, jawline, facial features and skeleton are different from a man's. if the artist isn't skilled enough to draw a masculine woman with accurate anatomy, it'll read as a dude.
>>1271546>What does it matter if the shoulders are "too broad" or face too angular?
because these are drawings, not real women. real women don't need breasts, or soft faces, and there can be women in all shapes, but like you simplify for animation, there is a commonly understood separation between male/female anatomy when it comes to art.
men and women are different, and if an artist wants to exaggerate certain features to create androgyny, they better be skilled enough to do it right, or it'll just look like the opposite sex. slapping on she/her pronouns doesn't make the drawing look like a woman lol
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Seethe. I wish more female character looked like this so that coomer moids would flip their shit over muh unrealistic masculine women while having absolutely no problems with traps.
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You could take like 2 seconds to google image search "female bodybuilders" and get a plethora of women that look almost exactly like >>1271103
. Are you honestly so autistic you're trying to clock a cartoon character with obviously exaggerated features like cartoon characters tend to have?
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Don’t make me tap the sign
This is especially embarrassing since there are a ton of female artists that draw men like the left one and are into it
Tranny should leave his coomer hugbox for once lul
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Kek I love watching trannies get ratio’d by women
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What do you guys think of Telepurte? Me and my friends are convinced he's a secret sex pest
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This one (and any others similar to it) are based and actually accurate
I watched some of his videos. Most are barely animations. Just women breathing or laying there on a three frame cycle
Though the man has made some good animations, they're rare and barely get any views compared to his booba animations
I'm just waiting for the expose video that he groomed a teen on discord
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Always weird to see re-draw posts where there is 0 progress, if not an active regression. Do the artists truly think no one will notice?
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If anyone has more images like these PLEASE share they're my favorite
Honestly that one isn't that bad. You can see her lines became less chicken scratchy (or at least she actually cleans them up) and those white lines were kinda dumb and random. Acatcie specifically had other re-draws that were posted in past threads and were way worse. She also had redraw posts where it was extremely obvious the "old" post was fake and made specifically so she could make a fake re-draw but still managed to look better than the "newer" one.
She hasn't posted in a huge while tho, so I feel it's kinda beating a dead horse to even mention her.
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I don't mind his stuff. He does great rendering.
Tbh, top one was probably made by 2 or 3 different people. Promotional stuff like that sometimes gets approved for sketches/idea, then lining, and if they are in the process of putting out a bunch of things, especially LL with all their merch and even coverings on trains and shit, that's a lot of work that gets passed off and finished by different groups.
You sound fucking stupid, anon.
I miss Rory, her art was hilarious
I felt kind of bad for her when she got canceled for that Finn drawing. I really don't think she was trying to be racist since all the white people she drew were also surreal blobby muppet people with giant lips.
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Female artists who draw hot guyd are based, like Nicola Scott
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Thoughts on Stephanie Priscilla? I think she can't draw and is only popular because she appeals to coomers with a (poorly done) retro art style/aesthetic.
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Secret Six, written by Gail Simone, there are a lot of shirtless buff dude scenes
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She's not the worst artist out there, but for an artist that has 40k on Twitter alone, her characters look stiff and unlively, the anatomy is sometimes bad, and the bright colors that she uses in a lot of her drawings are eyebleeding and terrible.
I mean, to continue the fast food analogue McDonalds is the biggest restaurant chain in the world with basic ass food. I think her style is appealing to many people, simple as.
Her art is very ripped off on Aliexpress btw, I unknowingly bought stickers and so many of them use her art
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She's not popular because of coomers, she has almost 500k followers on instagram because her art has an aesthetic that appeals to the people on there. Everyone knows that artists who limit themselves to a certain palette or style will grow big followings because people like seeing the same or similar things over and over. Her technical skills are obviously lacking but it doesn't even matter because the colors cover it up and no one spends much time looking at individual art pieces anymore. It literally is the fast food version of art as >>1272422
She did a really big hiatus and then posted an insta story saying she didn't really want to draw anymore because of how much criticism she got.
I'm kinda armchairing here, but I get a bit the feeling the reason she was so stagnant was that she wasn't even all that
art-inclined from the start (but was lucky to have a naturally good/decent eye for colours + getting caught in the wave when cutesy "aesthetic" artists were the big insta trend) and she was starting to get burned out and tired of doing it.
I don't care if he's a degen, tbh. Not every girl is an innocent Heidi roaming the hills and singing the sound of music. I like his work, anon and I can separate the art I do like from the art I don't like from him. Not everything he draws is even good at all, especially when he's experimental, but I'm not going to throw every piece of art out the window just because he's a dude who drew >>1271835
[which is a massive vanilla photo too]. This can easily be for women's gaze too and why not? Pair her up with >>1271103
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this is a terrible comparison, it's more so anon just isn't into drawn masculine women lol
This art looks something a scrote would post in the beg threads on /ic/, it’s really generic and amateur looking >>1272418
Looks like she got into artists like Hisashi Eguchi and Yoshitake Yamane that do the retro style but doesn’t really know anatomy.
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It drives me insane how I still cannot figure out what color scheme (just basic stuff! eyes and hair color) to give to my OC. I am so FUCKING SICK of that. I keep wanting to just give my natural hair color and eye color but I end up overthinking about it too much since it's my OC that I am drawing. How do people even figure out what haircolor to give to their OC that will be their mascot?!?! It's so silly, I know. Maybe I should think in 'what if I would want to cosplay it' or something, then I start thinking that black hair color would be nice but I am really into 'colorful' cute anime chars, but here I am cannot figure such simple thing out.
I like his animations they're sometimes quite mesmerizing and he has done a lot of impressive but I wish he would stop being such a coomer like "oh wow another boobly woman how original". Unfortunately I'm not surprised about him being creepy towards his female fans>>1272984
Be honest with yourself is this really for the female gaze?
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I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to pay 14 a month to use it but I guess you gotta spend money to make money…….
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Cinnabus feels like the bastard child of Mickey Moon and reddit girls posing in a slutty position to get attention to her art. I'm sorry for my post being more about being a thot than about her art
She draws messed up "bleached" and slightly ryona porn while she self inserts herself to it, advertises her onlyfan because of fucking course she has one and coomers can't realize she's using a snow filter when her black shirt is literally brown.
Her art is average at best and she only makes banks because she's open being a woman drawing le fucked up porn, shows her tits and advertise herself for having an onlyfans.
She also looks like the kind of onlyfan girl to claim oh how the other girls are soooo vanilla and I'm betting my hand her porn is at most a pathetic dildo like peenus angelic does it lol. I'm also betting my other hand she looks as haggard as Manaknight without a filter.
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people can do what they want in art, kek. who cares if someone wants to make a reverse trap/bifaxuen character
Kek you're so fucking triggered
by me saying his rendering is average, it's ridiculous. You're either a moid or a pickme.
Even if he wasn't a degenerate (which is a good reason not to like someone's art, especially if he's a man who can't keep his dick away from the drawing tablet) his rendering IS objectively average. His animations are nice (in quality), although some of them have very few frames. The rendering you call "great" is literally just your standard Instagram painting style. It's average.
NTA, but the person in the photo you posted is clearly an actual muscular woman, while >>1271103
is really just the artist drawing a man, lazily throwing tits on and saying "she/her" kek
Traps like Astolfo are a shit meme too. I'm tired of the coping, this is ridiculous
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Do just like nonnie
Make the character the most gender critical character on earth to make trannies seethe and cry about it when they put your character as their pfp and learn the actual origin of it.
On a serious note. Pastel characters are too overdone and limiting yourself to a palette is why all OCs are all unique yet all the same, generate a random palette instead if you're autistic about it.
Araki taught me how a good character doesn't need an actual fixed and curated color palette to look good. A good design is also about the shape and silhouette of the character, how their personality and story sparks in how you draw them. The color is just like the cherry on top of it.
Good luck, anon!
I hope this artist goes back to her original style. It stands out more than being an AC clone. Sad. >>1272497
If this is all her work the majority looks like she traced or heavily referenced AI Yazawa, unless she’s doing some fan art, like picrel.
He does, but I will say that I see him often use the excuse of "these were supposed to be delayed by hours…apart" or sometimes "days apart" when it's clearly a post that even he has marked at the end of the tweet 1/3
and so forth. It does have issues with fucking up when you do multiple posts like that. otherwise he can be asleep and it'll post for him and stuff, but tbh, twitter itself does still have a time function, so you can schedule you're own posts yourself. The only other thing I think is useful, which is the only reason I share his account and we are connected, is that it has told me what time I get the most engagement to post. It's like 7am. Which fucking sucks, but tbh, unless someone around 11am or something finally reblogs it, I don't get much traction because no one is fucking awake that early and regardless, people will see it if you reblog at the right times, so the time to post thing is pretty useless.
I like it but I also like Hisashi Eguchi like other nonna >>1273409
So what? It's your OC. Make it look like whatever you want. Don't give it a fixed color palette. Change the hair and eye color all you want without changing the design. Don't like it? Redesign it. There are no rules. Too many of you agonize over the tiniest details that no one other than you will ever notice or care about. Spend less time on lolcow if it's affecting your mentality that much. >>1274317
What? Most women have small or average-sized breasts. Really fucking sick of the idea that if a woman is depicted with a flat chest, the artist must be a pedophile.
well, depends. if you want commissions fast but with a sacrifice, underprice them (which is honestly a shitty option).
the best way is to build your fanbase- and also maybe do some of those YCH commissions.
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I used to hate those ship dynamic memes so fucking much and now that lolifags have found them I can’t even stand it.
NTA, yes it's fucked how she advertises herself to scrotes but are you seriously called someone deformed for having a small chest? the fuck?>>1274943
It means that the moid's favorite kind of pairing has a big, responsible adult character who is seduced by a slutty small child character. In other words, the artist is a pedophile
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The fuck are you on if you think this is a flat chest? Every picture I can find of this girl is emphasizing how large her chest is, not downplaying it.
Anon is right, OP Draws that type of shit why are you defending it?
And no one asked about your scrote, out of all the threads to talk about him you chose a fucking art thread? what an obnoxious midget
Strange, I was wrong>>1275009
Anon was being dumb yeah but you don’t have to be so aggressive
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This. The post is about size difference couple of gentle giant / comically short character. It doesn't even have sexes to it it you be lesbian gay straight and even for monster shit
I love drawing huge hunky monster men like pyramid head with smaller character like the nurses or even monster OC with an astounding size difference with their peer and this shipping dynamic speaks to me
If anon see pedophilia with it she's got a fucking issue when it's a meme about size queens and kings.
I'm not the anon who said the size queen thing. I'm >>1274993>>1275074
Thats fine and dandy for them, but the actual tweet doesn't have that context just from looks alone, so I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be taken as "BLANK couple dynamic" and "does anyone agree??". The "I shouldn't so this" also refers to big dicks which is a common trope that comes with this size different dynamic.
Just because it doesn't have that context to you doesn't mean that's not what it's about. If the OP of that tweet is someone likes loli, I think it's safe to assume that's what that "ship dynamic" tweet was about too. You and the other anon(s) need to stop taking it so personally because of your own kinks or relationships. Nobody said you can't like size differences and no one is attacking what you guys like.>>1275074
Samefag because I forgot to say this, but I have no idea what gender or sexuality would even have to do with that picture regardless of what it's about.
It doesn't discount the fact that it is a valid
dynamic regardless of this lolicon. Anons stay mad.
nonas have become schizos
i miss when you could just talk about artists without it devolving into in-fighting, pedophilia and tranny speculations. like you could actually say you thought an artist was good at something without people having to swoop in and just say lul no it isnt good its just average
Let’s change it then anon.
What’s your current favorite traditional artist and digital artist? I’m always look for new artists in both mediums.
"I'm sooo incredibly lucky, privileged and grateful-"
I mute when I see that. Just feels like self congratulatory shoving it in your face.
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Sorry to ruin the thread again. I liked Hallot alot back when she used to draw DMC fanart but what’s with the tranny flag? Did she troon out or is she just a TRA now?
That works but the real money comes from hitting fandoms that are niche but have cult followers >>1277374
Anon is discussing an artist so it’s relevant, unlike your complaining
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Burger Nonnies Joannes has 40% off the we r memory keepers button press stuff. I want to get it so bad but I don't think my audience buys buttons. It came out to $161 with SAVE10 coupon for the press (comes with medium), large & small insert, large/small/medium 100 each refills. I want to get it!
i was kind of hoping for online, currently alive artists. i already know about gogh.>>1277964
i really should be but i'm not, i'd like examples of other people doing it
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Why is Dave Rapoza posting so many same-faced anime girls all of a sudden? It’s not that bad but I prefer his realistic stuff.
Don't quit art because of social media culture nonnie
. If you genuinely enjoy doing it then do it for yourself!
This will be based on my very limited experience, but I hope it helps you in some way. The best way to learn things, including fundamentals is to struggle with them a bit first. Try drawing what you want to draw, it will look like absolute shit in the beginning but slowly you'll understand what you need to study more. The reason everyone insists on fundamentals is because you keep coming back to them all the time, you never learn them 100% in one go. I have always learned better when I tried applying fundamentals to what I want to draw, I realize which ones I was the worst at, then went back to them, then tried again… repeat. When studying from courses, videos whatever, avoid the same artist, school etc, I lost count how many times I heard the same explanation but in different ways, for some reason that little difference was enough to make me finally understand things. My final tip is to look for how graphic designers use gestalt, composition, color. They tackle the same ideas we need to deal with while drawing but usually with more simple elements, which personally made me understand the concepts much easier than looking at master's art explanations of the same concepts, but maybe I am just dumb. Do a study from an artist you like, even if you fail it will be worth as practice. Do them in black and white in the beginning so it's a bit easier and don't worry if turn out terrible, I know plenty of people who are amazing, true references in their fields, but they still are rarely happy with what they create. Creating is a weird experience of never being satisfied, always striving to do better, you need to fall in love with the process, the result is almost never as satisfying.
Thank you so much for your input! I wasn’t sure if I should focus faces, figures, etc but I think I’ll push myself into the deep end while taking a few days a week to study one, the other and environments. The last time I seriously drew I was 17 and studying fashion, I just need to get my head space less jumbled to think more like I did at 17 while pushing the old weeb in me away.
Thank you again for your feedback! I think I’ll pick up some anatomy books too, because realism/semi realism are the styles I like the most. >>1278358
I where I grew up, the majority of people in university and college were my age now, only a year or two in. I think too many people focus on how young others start. I’m not same anon who asked.
The average 18 year old in modern times in first/second world countries kind of mirrors a very sedentary lifestyle. Some don’t have to die in a war, help the family farm, become a nurse during the war or help a war effort through factory work. I’m probably speaking out of the bias of a burgerfag, but 18 year olds have more time to scribble shit and practice than someone as old as you nonna who has more duties or responsibilities. Take your time, there’s a shit load of artists like >>1277937
who started very late and even created art but died during a war. A lot of 18 year olds live a tiny bit comfier lives in the western world, much time to waste
Speaking as a zoomer who took classes with a lot of these "prodigies", you'd be surprised by how many resources and art supplies they have at their fingertips. Knew a girl who called herself self-taught when both her parents were artists and let her attend figure drawing classes since age 12. Knew another girl who got expensive, professional-grade art supplies every other month while still in grade school. All of them seemed to live very comfortable and responsibility-free lives allowing them only to focus on art, and they've probably been at it for a much longer time than you were ever afforded, Nona.
>In fact, most of them are so privileged that they complain of having trauma from being "young and gifted".
Don't beat yourself for not meeting this ridiculous standard. Your art reflects your worldview, something these (often) cushy nepotism babies unfortunately lack. You have something valuable and unique to offer the world via your art.
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There is no reason to idolize consistency when it creates seemingly identical drawings.
It's in your best interests to redline 5 existing arts as pre-preparation so you can make 1 good drawing instead of 12 that you would never want us to see.
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This zine's first mistake was doing blind applications, they didn't know what terminally online losers they were welcoming into the zine. Being a good artist shouldn't be the only criteria for acceptance into a zine, you need to pick people that you know will work well together, and aren't anti-social weirdos.
Do nonas ever get worried about psychos digging up your past like this, especially if you drew nsfw or problematic
ships? Things that used to be ok in 2010 will literally get you doxxed and called a pedo in 2022.
As always, it's women who face consequences, while male coomers draw the most disgusting shit out in the open.
What's the point of worrying? They fucked up when they didn't laugh their loser intel out of the group for bothering with that much effort instead of working on their contribution. Safe to say, but these witchhunts are triggered
out of jealousy and the need for control.
No, I'm not afraid of someone who will never get past drawing horn-nosed genderblobs with cankles. It is sad that it makes me reluctant to join group projects that would give me a chance to collaborate with other women, but I think being the change you want to see will help counter these people once you take their power away. I wish the artist the best of luck. It might be a blessing in disguise.
its bizarre how LoL turned from a toxic
shitfiesta into a full-on woke-pandering community. People keep swiping Riot's past sexual assault and harassment allegations. They would have been canceled if they were as big as Blizzard back then or now.
Yeah, they cancelled the zine, it's only been a month into the creation period lmao
Another reason this zine might've got more scrutiny is because it's a "queer" themed zine, always a signal for pearl clutching gendies. The mods were cowards for rewarding stalking/doxxing behavior.
What did the artist do anyway for these freaks to call her problematic
? I personally have some squicks with certain ship tropes but if I’m organizing a zine I wouldn’t give a fuck about what ships the applicant likes. Ironic how this happens when scrotes who draw lolicon get jobs in the industry.
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen an artist get kicked out of a zine because of some mundane stuff. >>1280014
To answer your question the artist drew a ship between a woman and her adoptive father which is creepy but not something worthy of blacklisting. Also kek at the autists in the qrts trying to turn this into some anti/proship debate when a real woman got doxxed.
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A lot of challenges dont seem super popular but for August there’s ISmaugust. It’s all about dragons and not LotR. I guess you could retool it to fantasy only if you don’t want to draw dragons all month. Unsure of the popularity of the hashtags.
September has swordtember and sketchtember which you could roll into inktober or another October challenge if you want to get ahead of the due dates.
Thanks again nonny
. What do you usually stock for cons or buy? I have seen bigger prints being sold at higher volumes than smaller ones; could depend on the location too. I have 5x7 and 8x10, a few 11x17 wouldn’t hurt.
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I know drawing Asians with too yellow skin is bad but how is drawing eyes like this racist…?
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It isn't, people are just retards.
Reminder that this animation, made about Chinese immigrant culture by
a Chinese immigrant, was called racist because the eyes were deemed too squinty.
There are plenty of Asians with eyes in that style. Not everyone has anime eyes or eyelid surgery.
Think of it this way, wouldn't giving an Asian character round big eyes in the same way non Asians do be considered erasure?
those eyes are stylized, not in a mocking way as far as i can see. and even if it was mocking… yeah caricatures are a thing and most people merely pretend to be offended by them. i'm genuinely shocked sometimes when faced with people this sheltered.>>1280758>thus don't do that
cute how you think you're the one to hand out permissions
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This TIF tard draws East Asian people with weird slit eyes herself. I can already predict the excuses 'IM ASIAN SO I CAN DO IT!! NON ASIANS DO NOT INTERACT'… girl shut the fuck up
If Asians draw eyes like this, then it's not racist!!! This isn't like a minstrel caricature of a black person invented by white people.
Idiots like this just scare people into not drawing different ethnic features at all. I guess fugly anime and cartoons are the only safe stylizations in the twitterverse
But then again this post is referring to a artist that was in hot water earlier this year or last year about two white artists which would give their asian characters yellow skin, and only these eyes. One of them then drawing nsfw with all these all three features which came off as… and then the icing on the cake of having no self awareness was that they slanted up the eyes to a unnatural degree.
And if I recall, all their non Asian characters never had these eyes, it wasn’t just centered around these artists in the meme, there was broadly a wider discussion on why do non Asian artists often fixate on this one stereotypical appearance.
It was a mess. I don’t think it’s inherently bad tor non Asians to draw those eyes but so many of the artists who bite the concepts from random aesthetics Pinterest accounts have no self awareness or tact.
Also, while I wouldn’t do it personally, reclaiming aspects of the imagery as a Asian is very, very different contextually from drawing narrow eyes, yellow skinned Asian characters from a non Asian, while not all, a East Asian drawing themselves as yellow, though this is a hyper specific context. In short, it’s super, super, super easy to just draw these eyes and not be a weirdo.
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is anyone else a bit weirded out by artists like pic rel who draw nothing but themselves for most of the time? Like how do you not get bored of yourself
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This doesn't seem weird she's smart. She knows the goth girl thing is hot shit right now it's deliberate choice. I'm not into it but I get why it sells. I just saw some men seething about her a few days ago saying she's a fake goth girl and an attentionwhore because she doesn't like people drawing porn of her but still wants to be successful. What a terrible crime >>1281966>she wasn't very pretty so I never understand why she liked herself so much
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Don’t you know? If you don’t draw Asians with wide anime eyes then you’re being racist
Pictel was made by a Chinese studio and Chinese people got angry at it because of how the characters looked like, the design was very deliberate.
Thats kind of how a lot of 4 panel comics got started too. It's a sort of 'Day in the Life'. Other comics that did this were WHOMP!
What one artist considers a doodle isn't going to be the same as what another artist considers a doodle. If someone spend about an hour on their finished pieces, then a 20 minute drawing might not be a doodle. But if this is an artist that spends 40, 50 hours on finished pieces then something quick that only takes them an hour IS a doodle for them. It's about the amount of effort spent.>>1281995
What the fuck is wrong with you? Because you think she wasn't attractive, it makes her self-obsessed and vain to enjoy drawing herself? Do you think only attractive people are allowed to be comfortable with themselves, anon? She got her work in a gallery, good for her. Stay bitter.
I don't understand the anger that comes from an artist who called their unfinished work 'doodles'. Sorry it's not all scribbles? How do anons thing charcoal artists doodle? They work in sometimes broad strokes, and create forms, but that also creates depth due to the overlapping of the charcoal.
Here's an example. This isn't finished. This is a sketch, a doodle, but an anon would probably flip and call this a finished piece or a rendered 'sketch'. Come on.
i like the designs as well, and i'm very surprised the chinese are self-hating when they seem so diligently patriotic.>>1282209
and to think once upon a time, on dA, teenagers would post random scribbles on lined paper with the caption "this took me 2 hours O.o"
Oh I fully agree. I don't have the attention span to spend more than 10 hours on a complex, finished piece. Even 5 hours is pushing it. Most of my drawings take me less than one or two hours, because I get sick of looking at them.
I know people draw at different rates, but if you're spending 15 hours painstakingly drawing a sketch and lineart and it looks equivalent to something someone else could finish in two hours, your process is very inefficient.
That's what thumbnailing is for, but we all know most twitter artists don't do these and just bruteforce their art process into completion. like >>1282334
said, if you need over 15 hours to finish a piece that doesn't even have a proper background or any detail that may justify lots of time, then youre process is horribly inefficient. Or maybe you just suck.
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I don't really use IG so I got curious. Do you think this has some truth to it or is this a massive cope?
I don’t mind the video format, it’s a really good for exposure and some of the challenges are kind of fun and only possible on video format
But it is getting tiring, no one is looking at the art or details.
Lost faith in DA after someone with admin privileges on the site leaked my IP to several people, one with a vendetta against me. And another who led a discord community I was part of and tried to kick me out of it. I opened a support ticket with DA, got told I was mistaken, that couldn't happen and was also illegal (the person who was given the IP was even boasting about getting her admin friend to prove my identity) and then stopped responding. Said community leader now is sponsored by DA on twitch.
Basically don't fucking trust DA, they don't vet people who have access to users' private information.
>>1281966>She wasn't very pretty in my opinion so i never understand why she liked herself so much
Not everyone is as obsessed with looks as you are>>1283105
I'm scared of being cancelled over Pixiv/Twitter likes from when I was pornsick years ago
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I made the mistake of making a career out of providing art/graphics to influencers/youtubers, so now I am stuck forever walking on eggshells trying not to get canceled and lose my job. I still post my degenerate personal art on /ic/ and I often get asked for a blog, but I don't wanna bite and end up #canceled.
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what makes westaboo art so soulful? I find the original PnP cartoon horrible, probably one of the ugliest looking cartoons ever, however, I am obsessed with Japanese fanart of the show. I am trying to study what makes it so appealing compared to western fanart.
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There's a bunch of it on Twitter and pixiv. I am amazed at how Japanese artists take super ugly designs, shoot them with the ''westaboo'' laser beam and make them appealing. They are also weirdly cute, pic rel is the husbando of the artist and she draws a bunch of utterly soulful and cutesy art of this random side character from PnP I forgot existed, mad respect honestly.
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here's another from the same character, i also like how she varies on the style.
This colouring is actually really pretty. Who's the artist?>>1283170
My two cents: I loved Disney a lot when I was younger and there's a lot of these types of artists around even today. Insanely high skill especially for the subject matter. A lot of them also draw pretty degenerate porn and don't try to hide it, which tbh I admire them for. It has to be autism but I think they're based as fuck.
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is he really? i just remember him being there for like a second saying a punchline>>1283273
@kinu_0825 . so far I haven't seen any of these westaboo artists draw porn, most seem to get obsessed over a western show and make a bunch of cute fanart/AU of it
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also, i like how there is a dedicated Japanese PnF fujo community.
Pre-Social media, I knew a few artists who did this. They posted pinups but had a persona they channeled and were unrecognizable in person. There's a balance you can strike up, but I don't think it flows as well during the current era unless you keep hard boundaries. >>1283147
Considering that most cancellations stem from the ringleader politicizing their own obsessions (a ship that contradicts their favorite ship or self-insert fantasy, for example), we need to stop living in fear of hypocrites.>>1283170
Not that the JP art scene isn't w/o its problems, but I think it's because lots of them come from a place where drawing as a hobby is genuinely appreciated from within, so improving your artwork just to draw your favorite characters better is a drive many adopt. Combine that with how their fandom culture isn't as politicized as ours, and you get stuff that's coming from the heart, untainted and free.>>1283284
It is my DREAM to go to a westaboo event.
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>>1283587>Not that the JP art scene isn't w/o its problems
i find it hilarious that bunch a of JP fujos managed to make a fanbook of a super niche ship from a western cartoon completely funded by themselves but western artists can't even make a Persona Fanbook funded by fans without spending all the money on genshit
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Kek thought you were talking about stuff like pic related until I realized you said pixel art. I don’t really have an issue because like other anon said >>1283949
Artists who do the same with detailed paintings are obviously humblebragging, but at the same time I can’t help but be impressed anyway. Wondering what made this stuff more popular in recent years, because back when everyone still used tumblr, the mspaint artists I followed always posted the art as is.
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Just stumbled on this sideways improvement.
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the worst part of this is OP just copied a Korean toy artist's photo on Instagram, only credited them when the pic blew up. Notice the do not copy text on their profile.
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I feel bad but I honestly enjoy seeing some of it. That being said I don’t really follow any artists that do it regularly, just see it from time to time. I’m an older millennial and it does make me feel nostalgic since it’s what so many people started with. I get how it could be annoying and how people would use it to humblebrag though. But it is nice seeing people play with the medium too.
I was in a temporary raid last year and one girl was a gender special and I couldn’t with her. Don’t want to imagine being commissioned by them. >>1284522
Don’t they have brushes now instead of pencil? I remember this and Photoshop were used a lot in the dolling community but Paint had a higher skill level if you just did pixel dolls because of its limitations
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It's the "marker" brush. The "natural pencil" also has some transparency.
The "oil paint" and "watercolor" brush also has some tapering on the end and some texture. This is MS Paint version 6.1
Have you tried your local art center or gallery. Some of them have open exhibits and you can apply? Always worth a shot.
You can also volunteer for charity auctions and do ornaments for exposure at the holidays to help raise money for a good cause too. If you have a portfolio take it to your local coffee shops and see if they’d be willing to hang your pieces. If you have a Facebook list commissions in the marketplace. Basically get into your local community that’s always how I’ve made money.
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Searching #フィニアスとファーブ on sites like Twitter and Pixiv will give you lots of good, decent PnF fanart by JP artists.
You’re welcome anon. Another is local fairs and competitions. It gets you out in front of people who like traditional art and lets you network and talk to people. It’s a place you can give people a link to a portfolio and you’re contact info.
I’d say anything that lets you submit go for it. There’s also a lot of online ezines. Some pay. Some for free but you can submit personal pieces that fit the themes and see what comes out. Being published looks good when negotiating for more corporate stuff later. The more you do for people the more stuff spreads word of mouth too.
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The artist. They turned off the number of likes but you can see by the comments how it was received
>>1285088>are any other nonnies in the thread traditional artists?
Yep, and I want to make money from my stuff too if not make a career out of it, though I'm not sure how realistic the second one is with traditional art unless you have good contacts.
Like the other nona said getting involved in local things is a good start, I'm currently making an updated portfolio to show local galleries, and just random pieces to sell at fairs. With galleries keep in mind costs like commission fees, it varies by gallery and some can get pretty high, though there is one near me that charges 0 commission and charges wall space rent instead.
Oh but you can't regulate it. It's still a very limited program, honestly I can understand people wanting to mention it if they manage to do a complex painting with it. If it's shit like >>1285169
though, it's just them wanting attention.
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i don't think they're the same, but now i'm really curious anon, can you share?
i'm talking about picrel>>1284615
honestly wish we had a FF14 thread for gossip cuz there's so many cows in this game
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Okay but the chara is extremely cute ijs
There's a pretty large fair coming up, I'll see if it's not too late to submit some pieces. It'll probably take a few years to build a network but hopefully I can solidify myself and have a steady supplemental income.
I'll be sure to check out some ezines as well!
Do you guys market yourself on social media at all? I don't have any dedicated pages but share on my personal accounts to friends/family.
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I hate when her stuff comes on my feed. Her color choices are bad and she’s not even talented all she does is put clay in mold and she has such a huge fan base over being a talentless hack.
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Can anyone recommend me some artists with a cute and simple artstyle? I want to simplyfy my art and therefore would like to study artstyles. But finding tasteful artstyles is hard, most simple artstyles look like they where drawn by tumblr fakebois.
idk why, but I have a hard time drawing more simplistic, I also appreciate any tips and advice!
You think so? I don't really know tbh.>>1285466
It's a generic as fuck catgirl and I utterly fail to see how this thing is "male" in any way at all.
Your examples made me think of “ocean in space” and there are a lot of artists like that. I want to say it’s just chibi anime but you’re probably wanting something not anime so I’d look to European artists too. Illustrators in general tend to have some cute styles if you don’t like anime style. >>1285415>>1285411
Yes I want to talk about xiv cows. Maybe a general mmo thread or just use the old one here. >>1285889
Kek I can see it. Zeno’s art makes him prettier than the game. I don’t care for his character or Emet Selch but some people fangirl and ship their character with them. I don’t get it lol.
Yes please link if anyone makes one. There’s so much milk going on there lately.>>1285963
I mean I can get Zenos (even though he’s weird-looking) since he’s an archetypal evil prince character with a near-psychosexual obsession with the player. I don’t understand Emet yumejos - I thought he was gay with Hythlodaeus.
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Did Happy D Artist leave for a while? I thought she was digital only.
i could name just with both my hands the names of all the strange people ive met on my man years playing ffxiv.
ngl i bought some good prints of graha and venat, and her work is actually fantastic. but the amount of people who draw specifically lewd art of baddies, designed to have no redemption is baffling to me, and i know far too many people who do it too
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Huh, is this true?
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>>1286114>let's create 'legal' childporn in response to women liking grown male x grown male comics
Men are literally subhuman.
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Yes. This is a magazine article from 1985 that has a comment about it
it must’ve been some disgusting spiteful moid frame of thought like “oh you want to subject MY MALE EYES to gay sex
? fine, but i’ll subject you
to these little kids i wanna fuck!”
pedos seriously think their fucked up freak of nature deviance is just like any other sexuality
The goth ones were fun as the lolita fashion too. They crossed streams a lot with Japanese fashion. Today’s list would be problematic
but also worse - boring. What does the current gen have that really sets itself apart? All I’ve seen is mimicry. For example gothic fashion today is not even about the culture or music but vaguely all black and “spooky” aesthetic. It’s bland.
Nasty paraphilias are rampant in every art community. At least with yaoi shota has never actually reached the mainstream.>>1286208>>1286209
Disgusting. I love Berserk but Miura was no better than the rest of creepy moids in the manga industry.
It's like they're addicted to starting petty online fights.
They should get an actual hobby, like drawing kek
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Genshin fans are a different breed
This is what happens when you give a chronically online, mentally stunted porn addict fujo money and a platform.
I miss the days where we can point and tell someone how disgusting their fetishes are and stop normalising it
This tracks. It's all she ever talks about. She literally could be just making her art and minding her business but decides to make entire threads justifying the shit she indulges in.
Her art must not pull as much as she wishes it could, because no artist who actually runs a healthy business has time to spend on this bullshit. I think this is just her marketing strategy at this point.
Bitch and whine about haters, then when things are too quiet, stir up more shit with more asinine tweets she has nothing to do with just to stay relevant.
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Kek acting all high and mighty when her art looks like this
Almost none of the proportions in her figures are good. He looks mutated.
There's no way she would've gotten the attention she did if she didn't draw genshit or interact with its screaming teen fandom. She'd have otherwise been overlooked.
Teens need to be monitored online but the way she's so reactionary to their heckling leads me to believe she fully expects it so she gets more eyes on her work because it makes her look like an 'underdog'.. not because her art is actually any good, because let's be real; nobody follows her for that.
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i like ibu chuan
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>>1286215> At least with yaoi shota has never actually reached the mainstream.
the very first yaoi was shota that was inspired by a 14 years old boy actor and it was extremely popular during the 80's/90's, if you search hentai sites you can check most of the yaoi magazines used to be shota too. The very first yaoi VN to be translated to english was also shota. Stop pretending like Japanese fujos give a crap about loli, most of them are equally if not more degenerate than the moids. Unlike us, they don't have an ''us vs them'' mentality and just mind their own business.
Yes. It's been discussed in multiple threads on Lolcow and anon >>1286208
linked the two best English language resources about it. Basically women were dominating Comiket with their bishounen and BL works and men felt threatened, so they created loli porn to drive women out but so many men were attracted to it the meme turned into an actual widespread genre. It's why Comiket now has separate days for female and male works. >>1286190
The "shota" in fujoshit is some "vaguely teenaged twink" nowhere near comparable to moid lolicon with toddlers and elementary school kids, it's not even teenage girls they're attempting to portray but actual prepubescent children under 12. The actual shota is 90% of the time created by men who are so deep into their hate of women they don't even consider them worthy of their greasy dicks and instead replace them with little boys to abuse. And you can tell they're only attracted to lolicon for the misogyny since the entire genre started from such a spiteful way of trying to assert dominance over women who were doing nothing more than minding their own business.
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not defending it, just saying that nonnies are retarded for pretending Japanese fujos are in any way better than lolicons when the genre became huge for having constant rape scenes and underage boys. Fujos are fucking degenerate too, there is a HUGE south park community there and it's purely because of the shota characters, a better comparison is yaoi versus yuri, where yuri is mostly just girls giggling and being ''cute uwu tehehe'' while yaoi is filled with rape and angsty scenarios, comiket was never ''invaded'' by moids, it just grew as anime and manga became bigger and more popular. Stop pretending Japanese artists abide by dumb western moral rules when they don't care and ALL are degenerates.
Just a correction: lolicon was already an underground phenomenon but it was when the Comiket scrotes started to promote it so aggressively out of spite that it truly became popular (the "lolicon boom"), later resulting in it becoming mainstream. Before that, pedo otaku moids were already sexualizing the little girls in anime such as Ghibli films.>The "shota" in fujoshit is some "vaguely teenaged twink" nowhere near comparable to moid lolicon with toddlers and elementary school kids
True. More explicitly pedophilic shotacon, with pre-adolescent boys, is very rare in fujo spaces. Although it used to be way less frowned upon, at least in the west, to ship/draw underage teen boys with adults.>>1286342
lol the left eye looks kinda wonky.
I remember this shitty anime being shilled everywhere, hell, they would even sell its merch when i was a kid.>>1286354
Couldn't find it, but apparently one of the characters was gang-raped later in manga and author somehow forgot about that and people were complaining.
>>1286353>comiket was never ''invaded'' by moids, it just grew as anime and manga became bigger and more popular. Stop pretending Japanese artists abide by dumb western moral rules when they don't care and ALL are degenerates.
The women at Comiket did
care about scrotes invading their convention with comics about little girls being raped by animals, and the moids did
care enough about there only being content for women to start a whole movement to make pedophilia comics popular.
, but I really don't think the old-school mid-2000's fujo boogeymen you love to sperg about are as prominent nowadays as the disgusting coomer lolibros you see in the middle of the day in every art circle that get to draw all their shit without issues because no one attacks male coomers.
Nta but that is
literally paki-chan. She's always sperging the fuck out about Bjorn Andresen and how fujos are "literally worse than lolicon moids" like it was a prayer she has to repeat.
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the gravitation manga is fun trash, it basically makes no sense but it has that fun late 90's vibes I really enjoy. It's at least less forgettable than junjou and its clones. >>1286376
do you have proof? so far I haven't seen proof of it
we are talking about japanese fujos, not western ones. I am mostly complaining about how nonnies try to bend an issue from a niche subculture in the 90's to their modern American moral standards. >>1286378
lol, soy de latino america pero si quieren seguir preteniendo que soy su boogeyman, prosigan pues.
NTA but tbh you're right. At least here in the west, you'll see women censoring each other if they dare draw a 17 year old anime guy fucking an 18 year old, while references to lolishit (or straight shota) has become disturbingly common among even the normiest of anime watchers on shitty Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of members.>>1286379>do you have proof? so far I haven't seen proof of it
Picrel taken straight from the second link here >>1286208
is proof (testimony from the scrote who started it) that the moids deliberately promoted lolicon at Comiket out of spite.
From the same article:>in the 1995 Comiket and one other dōjinshi market in 1993, female and male participants tend to socialize separately. As minority participants, males that enjoy erotic dōjinshi depicting cute girl characters were viewed with suspicion by female participants that enjoy yaoi.
That was in 1995, as noted in the article, three years later there was a bit more friendly interaction between the two groups, but at least up until 1995, about a decade after the lolicon boom, women at Comiket still "viewed [the pedo scrotes] with suspicion".
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Nice gaslighting girlboss but Paki-chan here literally said:>nonnies are retarded for pretending Japanese fujos are in any way better than lolicons when the genre became huge for having constant rape scenes and underage boys.
Sounds a whole lot like the retarded bad faith act generalizing being described. You can pretend like there's some grand goal of extubating pedos but in the end it's just being mad over women liking something that has nothing any average piece of media doesn't by attempting to draw reaching parallels with drawn child porn created by degenerate, misogynist males seething over women succeeding them in popularity. And in the case of someone like paki-chan, it's just late stage NLOGism and an inexplicable neurotic obsession.
seems to me like you are making it a bigger problem than it is. You are treating it as if fujos were completely squeaky clean before the lolifags ''invaded'' their space when in reality fujoshis are equally perverted and were already making shotacon content. Unless you have double standards and think shota drawn by women is fine but loli drawn by men isn't.>>1286390>>1286392
my point is not hard to understand, it seems like you just want to feel like the victims
. To reiterate, fujos were perverts and they don't care about loli/shota or problematic
content like westerners do. It's just Americans trying to bend things they don't like to fit their standards. If you are going to call lolifags pedos(which they are) but want to defend fujos that have been making rape/shota/incest, etc then you have a serious case of double standards.
>>1286395>y basura como gravitation o loveless ya no se ve tanto actualmente.
Sí, eso es lo que yo venía diciendo (NTA). Parece ser que la mayoría de ejemplos populares de shota en el yaoi japonés son de hace unas dos décadas. Al fin y al cabo, el problema no es solo de las fujos, es un problema que puede afectar a cualquier mujer a la que le gusta el anime, y como la nona de arriba dijo, también hay yumes a las que les gusta el shota x mujer adulta.>>1286396
It's not Paki-chan.>>1286397>Shoujo had plenty of it
That's true, but yaoi comes from shoujo/josei (I forgot). They're not completely separate, stop acting like they are. Compared to straight manga porn for women, yaoi is much more popular. A lot of fujos (not all) like yaoi because they can see explicit, violent, dark or taboo content without having to see women suffer.
And shoujo is rarely, if ever, explicit. Besides, no one is denying that shoujo also is plagued with rapey or pedophilic themes that basically teach girls that they should let older men abuse them. But just because shoujo is shitty too doesn't mean that yaoi can't be criticized for its own issues.
you are a brain rotten fujotard, go schlick to rape while you lie to yourself thinking it's somehow feminist when a woman is a degenerate.>>1286405
I already explained that shota is pretty common in fujo circles and that no one but western fujos cares about its morality. I just find it funny how they put fujos in a pedestal just for being women while lolifags get shit on, when they are both porn sick coomers. >>1286406>Sí, eso es lo que yo venía diciendo (NTA). Parece ser que la mayoría de ejemplos populares de shota en el yaoi japonés son de hace unas dos décadas. Al fin y al cabo, el problema no es solo de las fujos, es un problema que puede afectar a cualquier mujer a la que le gusta el anime, y como la nona de arriba dijo, también hay yumes a las que les gusta el shota x mujer adults.
el loli tambien anda muerto, en general el anime ha cambiado para ser mas atractivo al publico chino y americano. Pero eso no cambia que mucho del contenido primerizo de yaoi era ''controversial'' que es lo que le quiero hacer entender a la nonnas. Solamente me parece idiota que defienda a capa y espada a las fujos japos cuando son igual de degeneradas que los hombres, hasta diria que la mierda shojo es incluso peor que algunos anime harem/ecchi, ya que al menos en esos anime la mona china lo agarra a putazos al protagonista generico cuando hace algo ''pervertido'' mientras que en el shojo pareciera que el fetiche de las autoras es hacer a la protagonista sufrir(te estoy mirando a ti Kaichou wa maid-same).(infighting)
>>1286406>Compared to straight manga porn for women, yaoi is much more popular.
This sentence alone shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Embarrassing. >just because shoujo is shitty too doesn't mean that yaoi can't be criticized for its own issues.
No, but it's curious how the very popular rapey themes in shoujo or the popularity of oneeshota, or hell, even the actual lolicon porn
never get such a retarded rise out of the same people who have meltdowns over fujos and claim to be warriors of light fighting for good morals. I'm sure the pedophile scrotes appreciate your effort though!
>>1286398>You are treating it as if fujos were completely squeaky clean before the lolifags ''invaded'' their space when in reality fujoshis are equally perverted
AYRT, the men at that time were drawing little girls being fucked by dogs. I'd say that's worse than whatever fujos were drawing at the time.>>1286412>This sentence alone shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
Most porn drawn by and for women who are into anime/manga fandom is gay.>it's curious how the very popular rapey themes in shoujo, even the actual lolicon porn never get such a retarded rise out of the same people who have meltdowns over fujosAbusive
relationships in shoujo are discussed from time to time (see: manga thread) and barely no one tries to defend it, and everybody here agrees that scrotes are pedophiles and lolicon men are despised by all of us and we all talk about it all the fucking time in case you're blind. There's no need for spergouts in either case because no one is defending that shit, unlike fujo shit.
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yaoi sperg trying to ruin another thread kek
Back on topic, this "my favorite ship dynamic" shit is going around Twitter again and some of these are cute but others are fucking cringe.
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I honestly don't even know what that word means. Also here's my favorite one so far
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>>1286417>I'd say that's worse than whatever fujos were drawing at the time.
literally the same thing but with boys?
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what makes you believe they weren't drawing the same thing in the 90's/80's if they are doing it now and super violent yaoi content was always popular?
>>1286410>Solamente me parece idiota que defienda a capa y espada a las fujos japos cuando son igual de degeneradas que los hombres,>"fujos japos"
No te voy a debatir más porque no me interesa corregirte, sólo me da risa que sigas con eso de las "fujos japos". estrictamente japos, haha.
>Pero eso no cambia que mucho del contenido primerizo de yaoi era ''controversial'' que es lo que le quiero hacer entender a las nonnas
Y? muchas cosas comenzaron siendo problemáticas noni.(ingles por favor!)
you have your own thread and site to fuck off to, stop pretending like your persecuted cause you have an addiction to eroticized eastern drawings of boys fucking each other>>1286427>and go over the same old "they're worse than male pedos"
can you please give me one example of anyone in this thread or site saying fujos are worse then actual male pedophiles, cause the only comparisons made in this thread were with lolicons, also could you stop accusing every sensible person of being paki-chan, its a headcanon you've created to justify your fetish, If I created a poll you'd find most users here think fujos are just coomers not worse then moids but still degen asf
>>1286427>It's the certain reoccurring spergs who start infights every time they see the word "fujo" and go over the same old "they're worse than male pedos"
I definitely agree that saying that fujos are as bad or worse than lolicon males is just plain wrong. I just hate how every time one of the anti-fujos spergs out, fujos will also sperg out, denying that there's anything wrong with yaoi or that shotafag fujos exist and insulting non-fujos for liking het content for some fucking reason, just deflecting any sort of criticism and trying to change the subject to het content, instead of addressing the actual points or just NOT replying to the anti-fujo.
Also I do think that Paki-chan is a hypocrite and a retard for simping for Varg. But she's not the only one who criticizes yaoi. And how do you know the other anti-fujos don't discuss how young actresses are exploited and abused in other threads? This whataboutism whenever someone says something critical of yaoi or fujos is really annoying.
NTA but what's the point in posting these cherrypicked visual novels from well over a decade ago, DMMD even having all characters be clearly very adult when you're trying to make a stand about fujos being pedos? You want me to start spamming all the mainstream
anime series with moid-targeted loli porn in them? If so, we're going to be here all night. I legitimately do not understand why people here have such a boner for whiteknighting for literal pedophile men who created a genre for raping little girls out of spite just because a fujo aiden made them cringe and arguing for multiple posts that actually, it's the fujos that are no better than those men because [that one pwobwematic thing from 2005]. >>1286439
The venn diagram of IRL pedos and lolicon males is a circle, anon.
I'm not aware of any such yaoi manga being published back then in the 70s or 80s; on the other hand, the lolifags were proud of having published a whole magazine full of "taboo themes" and that loli was "a forbidden genre at the time". I doubt BL authors from that era have talked about doing something similar. And despite the more degenerate fujo content in later years (a lot of which borrows from scrote porn, by the way, so it's not like these women became that degenerate without male influence), I don't think fujos are "as bad as" male coomers.
Still, please understand that I'm not saying that fujos aren't degenerates and coomers. They absolutely are, at least the ones who consume the explicit stuff. But saying that they're as bad as degenerate men is just wrong (some especially degenerate fujos might be, but most of them are definitely not).
you have your own thread and site to fuck off to, stop pretending like your persecuted cause you have an addiction to eroticized eastern drawings of boys fucking each other>>1286427>and go over the same old "they're worse than male pedos"
can you please give me one example of anyone in this thread or site saying fujos are worse then actual male pedophiles, cause the only comparisons made in this thread were with lolicons, also could you stop accusing every sensible person of being paki-chan, its a headcanon you've created to justify your fetish, If I created a poll you'd find most users here think fujos are just coomers not worse then moids but still degen asf
Stop replying to me with this post, I'm not even a fujo and you tell me to go back to FC kek>can you please give me one example of anyone in this thread or site saying fujos are worse then actual male pedophiles, cause the only comparisons made in this thread were with lolicons
Like the other nonny
said, lolicons are
actual male pedophiles. They lust after girls who are not even teenagers. Meanwhile, not even half of all fujos are shotafags. It's not a fair comparison to make.
I'll personally start addressing the points when you start making them. Saying "there are problematic
elements to BL" is like saying "there are problematic
elements to high fantasy" because Game of Thrones overuses rape as a plot device despite many other books focusing on anything but. From posting outdated early 00's series to not even knowing what the story content in them actually is it's pretty clear that you have no personal experience with the genre and instead rely your entire outlook on second hand information. What can be said about that? I'm sorry that Gravitation's mangaka drew a smutty doujin when the actual series is a story about adult pop bands and the lead singer falling in love with no graphic sex scenes at all? That there's one visual novel with graphic rape scenes? What's the purpose in that?
To recap, the entire infight spawned from one sperg basically claiming that "fujos have no business talking shit about the lolicons who drew child porn to spite them because they're just as bad" with nothing to really back it up besides "there are some fujos that like shota" while it's a well known fact that shota as a genre is almost entirely created and dominated by the same pedophilic men who love loli or limped their dicks masturbating to it to the point they had to break the next taboo. But because Paki-chan in particular is so hung up on Kaze to ki no uta's mangaka taking inspiration from Björn Andrésen's looks for one of her characters she's set on this tard crusade about how the basis of BL is pedophilic rape indistinguishable from a bunch of misogynistic moids who drew animals raping prepubescent girls to scare off women. And of course people similar to her grab any opportunity to join her in this retardation with arguments that boil down to "fujos annoy me so they must be morally bankrupt".(derailing)
who cares oh my god>>1286418
this made me cringe reeeeal hard, I hate when people treat polyamory like it's some ultra uwu woke shit and now this?
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and is paki-chan in the room with us? is every single "anti-fujo" i.e normal non degenerate person actually paki-chan as well, how deep does this grand conspiracy go
The /ic/ scrotes in this thread are absolutely insufferable, they spend hours defending male artists drawing pedoshit and bitch about muh SJWs ruining western civilization all the time yet suddenly concern troll about fujos or pretty much anything else women like and enjoy that they can't sexualize and coom over while never even touching art besides drawing chicken scratch anime tits.>>1286516
My god, who gives a fuck. Your autism gives me so much second hand embarrassment it's incomprehensible. I actually feel like I should just drop all weebshit and imageboards and become a full on normie to avoid fate like yours, it's that cringe.
Post here >>>/ot/1068958
instead for help finding things.
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This one? It's by SparrowLucero
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Yesterday: Thread pretty quiet. Cool might be good
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Anyway… here's some art to whine about.
Tiri's stubborn refusal to use refs or study anatomy is really stagnating her art. Rather than improving, the awkward parts of her style have just gotten more pronounced and every post is uglier than the last. They've all got tiny heads on thick necks with vacant fish-eyed stares and beach balls stapled to their chests.
God yeah. I know someone like this who is obsessed with pro vs anti drama and never shuts up about how she’s being attacked all the time and making herself into a victim
. It’s not that hard to just consume and make things for fandom and you don’t need to pick a fight or try and escalate things with every person who doesn’t agree with you on something. It’s all so self-inflicted and annoying. It’s not healthy to be that way and some of these people really need to go outside for five seconds.
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Lol, vendetta? She has 140k followers, anon.
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They're literally sperging out on twitter right now, they've been having a very public meltdown for the last 72 hours over lolisho lol https://twitter.com/iamlunasol/status/1553807711082618880
all this just to come out liking shota because their dad threatened to rape them and they were groomed as a 15 yr old
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Maybe you should take a look at some of her art if you think it's not broken.
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Looked through her art and tbh given the basic subject matter she still manages to squeeze some interesting works out of it unlike plenty other "generic girl" artists
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I know theres more important things to discuss, but god, this fucking male bee OC with giant tits
Do you have no reading comprehension, or does your personally appointed tard rangler read your posts out loud to you?
the only pedo apologism I see is from the pro-fujo side anyway? Regardless, lc may not be for someone of your stunted temperment.>>1286190>>1286344>>1286368
31 years old and posting this cringe ass shit. I'm not on the side of the hate campaign but I can see why they hate her.>>1286881
they got upset because people were saying it was creepy "Feral" furry art. I don't know what they were expecting(Rule 1)
For someone who is "so unbothered by the haters", she spends an awful lot of energy catering to and feeding their egos and justifying every little thing she does.
Like I said before, this is just her marketing campaign at this point because on its own her art is lackluster. Nobody really follows her for her art. And she'll keep doing it because that's her strategy to stay relevant. She claims on her twitter that she has no fear and is so happy and has everything, but in reality if she didn't garner this much attention she'd be in the ditch living off her husband.
If I was her, and I knew I wanted to make NSFW art I would simply not make art pieces I knew were going to be 'problematic
' and 'trigger
' a fandom I knew had a bunch of 'anti' teens in it.
But what do I know, it got her the attention she wanted, and endless content to bitch about. And yet she ends up in a marathon meltdown, lmao.
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Nonnas, I thought you said hype trains are a free 1000 likes and a free 100 followers. Explain.
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Ignoring the sperging upstream, I'm surprised this artist even posted a side by side because the self portrait looks insanely darker for some reason
I can't imagine an existence where a person is so obsessed with sex that they have "fav shota doujin" that they leave up on their computer for "inspiration."
Coomers really are the most pathetic people. I can't imagine being so simple minded that looking at porn everyday is enough to keep me content.
The one major red flag I get from this is that there was somebody on snow(stwawbewwymilk or whatever the fuck) who used similar arguments as Luna like "If you call my art gross, you're transphobic!!" "If you say lolisho is weird, you're actually anti-queer and anti-sex!!11!!!". Though Luna's seems more like she's being inflammatory on purpose because she realized bad attention is still attention because her art's not getting any.
They both need lobotomies to be honest. And I fucking hate when they try to bring other queer people into their arguments to justify the weird shit they're into
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Writers and webcomic artists seem to love this, but I absolutely hate stories where the obviously rapey villain goes all "haha I wasn't gonna rape you why would you even think that, silly girl" as a way for the creator to somehow point and be all "see? he's not a rapist! He's just quirky and sexy, haha".
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I don't think so, but I'm waiting for the day she does just to document the social cringe
You know there was an artist called Lirthel on twitter who actually got in trouble for being into the same shit(though she's tame compared to this) but the difference was that her reply to people was "well I like what I like" and ignored them and moved on and that why I respect her more.
also >deep breath
Surely she's joking, right?
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Twitter coomers are grasping at straws
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She’s a pretty popular (and admittedly talented) artist now but does anyone remember when she drew fucked-up fetish shit on her tumblr sideblog (barabait) or am I confusing her with someone else. Apologies in advance for digging up old milk.
I really thought it was just the weird vomit
stuff but yeah. Was a rough reminder to see that.
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Does Tomoki Misato have any milk on him? He's not known for being a weirdo or anything, right?
Unironically, go outside and touch grass. Get off the internet and try drawing outside, in a cafe, etc. You don't even need to draw the things around you (though that also helps), but being in a different environment can help you get naturally inspired. Nothing is truly original, but if you actively practice trying to find inspiration outside of other artists your brain will find it a lot easier to do in the future.
Also be careful with how inspired you get by other artists, because before you know it you'll just end up cloning them.
Give the link, nonnie
Also I tend to find these artists around DC fandom.
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random image because diarrhoea asshole photo on main homepage
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if you have to ask there probably isnt any>>1288120
nta but they're not entirely wrong. any artist who gets posted will have the most minor flaw or detail about their art blown out of proportion or anons will outright make tinfoils about the artist's motives, whether or not they're trans, and anything else to justify hating the artist.
>>1288814>junior idol shit is legal and basically real cp and child abuse
not to defend japan, or any country for that matter, wherever men live there's a high risk of rape/sexual assault of girls
but child beauty pageants are glorified in the usa, it's the same shit, arguably worst because girls as young as 3 are caked on with heavy makeup. anyone with a hate boner for japan but doesn't get equally as angry at the sexualization of girls by westerners come across as lowkey racist.
What’s this webcomic called?
It reminds me of Holly Brown so much that I wonder if it’s her’s under a pseudonym
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A part of me used to feel bad for her because she was getting harassed irl at conventions but I lost all my sympathy when she kept feeding into the negative attention. Now she's suddenly identifying as a 'transmasc enby' to deflect criticism. Her excuse for drawing femboy shota porn now is that it gives her 'gender euphoria'. It's pathetic.>>1289033
It's called Mias and Elle. IIRC, it took the author, Jenny Clements, almost ten years to write, develop, and publish the story. The characters used to be VERY popular on DeviantArt and it was impossible not to see them on the front page. I never understood their appeal. The moid is supposed to be a pervert so he's always creeping on the girl.
I can see Holly being inspired by Mias and Elle though. It's been around forever and Holly probably would've enjoyed the story's rapey undertone.>>1288547
Ignore them anon. Kaneoya is based.
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Same anon, Here's Luna claiming she's transmasc and throwing a fit when people call her bluff kek. She's such a creep.
>>1289003>it's the same shit
it's not the same shit, don't pull the race card. beauty pageants are bad and creepy but the audience for bp's aren't mostly middle aged pedo men, unlike japan. junior idol shit is bought by actual pedos. quoting >>1286249 >"Chaku Ero", which means "erotically clothed" is a kind of soft porn - it doesn’t involve nudity, but it can get very, very close and is often overtly sexual.>“My youngest was six years old,” he says. “We filmed her in her bathing costume playing with some toys.”>According to Kazuko Ito, a Human Rights Lawyer who is trying to challenge this definition, “Chaku Ero is child pornography. That’s the reality.”
A 3 year old in makeup isn't worse than this, wtf.
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I supported her up until her whole "if you don't like CP you're brainwashed by the far right" manifesto
"Lolicons + Shotacons = Pedos" Are they not????? I feel like we're a few weeks away from her going full on CP on main, she's literally testing the waters to see if her followers are going to be cool with shota.
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I don’t care how popular she is. Her art will never be as good like Ikuko Itoh’s or any of the sailor moon artists.
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why do people make cute anime characters look like freaks?
>hehe look there's a character with a hooked nose, let's make her look like quasimodo so she'll look even more relatable!!1
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I know I sound autistic rn but??
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yes I love pieck and she's my self insert because we are both brunette with roman (?) noses, but the fan art they make is so weird>>1289540
some of the fan art is super cute though, despite hidden in garbage
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>every time I have sold art supplies online something goes wrong
>previously sold a lot of markers and I had to list it three times because of buyers ghosting
>hesitated to sell another set but a buyer surprisingly paid immediately after asking if they were still available
>just got an email over a month after the sale saying that it’s being disputed with a claim that the buyer “didn’t recognize the transaction”
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Why are some artists so edgy?Usually I'll see art that looks nice at first glance then when I realise how edgy it is I instantly wince. The self harm scars and the weird anorexic but still curvy body is just unnecessary, so many people glamorise self harm in art and its so obvious. I don't know if they do it for asspats or they genuinely think it looks good, it's awkward to look at
Same as >>1290407
I drew a lot of edgy stuff in the past, even do so sometimes now; yeah it's pretentious but it helps. Some people can relate, some dont, but that's how it is with any personal creations.
1. underaged artist
2. 20-25 yo adult with ongoing angst
3. that’s just their taste
Stop acting like you never went through that phase anon lmao. Like the other anons said it’s likely to vent their frustrations about their own body image, mental health, at least they aren’t “trauma-dumping” about it to anyone else and using healthy avenues to express their emotions.
I know that sometimes woke types will draw characters uglier for woke points but these drawings just look like lack of skill. They probably just appreciated SNK actually drawing noses with structure but just need some more practice to be able to pull it off nicely.
First one is bad stylisation it would probably look decent if it weren't for the weird glabella
, and second one is just failed attempt at realism. I think Occam's razor says not everything is done ugly on purpose.An aside, and this feels mean to say, but the second one reminds me of one of the girls from the big bang theory kek>>1289542
To be fair, the philtrum is pretty hard for unpracticed people because it's extremely easy to make it look weird as shit. Making the shading so harsh was definitely a bad
>>1286904>"I'm not on the side of the hate campaign"
Well anon you should be. I hope this dumb fucking bitch dies and the dogshit doujin artist she shills in that picture dies even harder. They are both horrendous, disgusting pick me pig artists that draw art to pander to their coomer scrote audience. These women have no self-respect or dignity, all they draw is young boys being raped and defiled to satisfy their scrotes. They claim it's their fetish and while that might be true to some degree (because of how twisted they are), they're also very much doing it for monetary gain and male attention.
I expect this disgusting coomer behavior from men, but not from women. This is completely sick and twisted behavior and it will NEVER, EVER be okay. I don't care if this stupid bitch claims that her therapist thinks drawing young boys being brutally raped is a "healthy coping mechanism" for her CPTSD. They are both completely full of shit and there is no fucking excuse for this abhorrent shit. NO EXCUSES. Drawing youngs boys getting sexually assaulted is not how you resolve trauma and I will fucking die on that hill. Seriously FUCK these people, I hope these artists rot in hell for an eternity.
I can't believe I spent all day reading this trainwreck of a thread only to discover that one of the people in her circle (drdala) was, I'm 99% sure, someone I used to be mutuals with in the Homestuck era of Tumblr (like 2010-2012). She drew a ton of porn of sexy GLaDOS and human Wheatley, Dala from fallout 3, Sucre from Off, and other really obscure characters she treated as self inserts.
It could be someone else, but it's unlikely there's two people out there so obsessed with a minor fallout character that they'd build their entire identity around a human design that was only ever canonically shown in a single grainy photograph. Her art style has changed so much and I don't have any of her old art to compare, but her interests and other handles are similar to names she used when we were friends: She used to go by Milk/Milku and, I think, Pearl for a while.
Wrong again you fucking ape. This is the artist SALT thread where we discuss our issues with art and artists here, particularly things that make us angry. You're so daft you can't even read the thread OP.
You don't even know where you are, so fuck off already. You disgusting lolishota loving moid tourist.
I'd say google one of those keywords with, like, Pinterest
or Twitter art
, then find the source of an artwork you like and from there you can go through the artist's likes/following. That's usually how I discover some.
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damn sorry for not liking the one hook nose rep turned into ww2 jewish caricatures
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this is cope
why do they make her look so masculine?
it's because they see a hook nosed character and associate it with being a tranny
I really don't understand this discussion honestly. What's wrong with drawing Pieck with a hook nose when she does have a hook nose? Are they supposed to make her have a button nose? The jaw is too big, but that's probably a problem with the artists art style rather than them seeing her as masculine. Honestly, the only one I didn't like is >>1289534
and that's because of that horrible philtrum line.
Look again at >>1289522
. The noses are almost the least offensive part compared to other factors such as the lips or philtrum in that second especially. They definitely struggle to draw cute girls with big noses but I have no doubt these artists draw cute girls with small noses just as hideous.
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Rya is not the prettiest npc but jesus christ this artist did her so dirty. This has almost 2k likes right now
On a technical level, I like them. I like the muted, organic colors and linework, it makes me think of old european children's book art.
By the way, Rennala and Rya are both very popular characters from an INSANELY popular game, so a different approach from the usual coomer pornstar garbage fanart is absolutely harmless to me.
I think they're just very pale, I haven't actually taken a closer look. I think shes 'ugly' because of her true nature (which I think is cuter anyway)>>1291467
Those are some fair points, I also do think the palettes and lines are nice. I was just salty about how much uglier they made them both compared to their actual faces
I thought this was Loish at first glance. Styles like this are just boring now. I unfollowed Loish because of her constant same face. Her older work had more fluidity and variety. >>1289441
Her work is like Drachnea, if he’s still around. I think they both trace and photobash but it sells so eh. I don’t like it either because it’s slightly uncanny and I can’t figure out why it looks stiff. >>1290846
Could be a glitch or IG shadow banning the hashtag. >>1291435
What game? I hate it too but some artists are trying to find their style through exaggeration. However not knowing either character they stand out for being really ugly. The bottom one looks particularly slow, like an old design of the bigger stupid brute archetype.
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Elden ring. rennala (top one) is conventionally attractive (she's a queen and whatnot) while the blonde one's main characteristic is that she's kind of weird looking and also a shapeshifter. Personally I appreciate more when she's given charm without resorting to making her conventionally pretty, although some artists pull it off better than others. Picrel is by komemerda
It's not that bad.>>1291875
Thanks for reccing a new artist to follow, anon. Love this art style.
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Why can’t Asians draw black people normally, ffs.
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what confuses me is why is this racist but other exaggerated interpretations like >>1280749
not? to be clear, i don’t think either are racist because asian and black people have respectively been portraying themselves that way for thousands of years. why is it that still drawing like pic related is acceptable
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but if you draw like this, you’re a racist fascist neo nazi
It looks like a man
>>1292742>you kinda sound like a coomer scrote
That's because they are
scrotes who find drawing unattractive women or in a way they can't masturbate to her is the worst crime there is. It's a reoccurring thing, they start whining about either coomer artists being oppressed for drawing garbage or muh SJWs drawing women ugly and/or masculine all the fucking time.
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the difference here is stylization. anime girls/boys don't look like japanese people, so why do the black people in anime get stylized with big noses and lips and weird round eyes??? they should be stylized like an anime character, but they're not. that's why it's racist.
there are black people stylized correctly in anime, it's not hard. won't give excuses for professionals.
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I don't think Michiko is black though, isn't she supposed to be hispanic with the "Malandro" surname and everything? Picrel is an actual black person from the same anime.
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some hispanic and brazilian people are afrodescendant anons
do you guys think there's like no black latinos?
idk if michiko is though, didn't watch the anime or anything
imo theres no need to clutch your pearls nona everyone with a brain knows that black latinos exist. it's just easier to just refer to all of them as just latinos plain and simple because latinos (and especially brazilians) can look like pretty much anything. (source: i'm a latina myself)
michiko seems to be more of a native-black latina mix (a cafuzo) judging by her long straight dark hair and eye shape.
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ohyeah i know we don't look like anything specific but the>don't think she's black, she's supposed to be hispanic
just tickled my brain folds
i probably misinterpreted what they meant or smth
Imagine not only being deeply fixated upon arguing with 13 yo's online, but doing it so much that your brain melts to the point where you start attempting to reclaim lolisho in a wall of Twitter posts over an anime con sign that was triggering
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i’m pretty sure all of the characters in the show are mixed to some degree, there’s always been a massive japanese population in brazil due to immigration and the show reflects that (which would also explain why they all have japanese first names and western last names)
also all races are drawn realistically in this show. for example hatchin, her dad, and her adoptive family are white, and most of the characters she and michiko run into are black or hispanic. the difference is some characters are conventionally attractive. having an ugly or normal looking character isn’t racism
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How accurate do you think this is ?
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Some anon mentioned drawing shoujos from around the world and it’s cool to see how they tackle racial differences in drawing anime/manga >>1293386
Kek is this the same artist that drew how to make a SJW/Tumblr character?
samefag but also>mfer saying 3 year olds put in makeup and forced to perform for adults/their parents for monetary gain/value is somehow not the same as junior idols being commodified and sold to adults
all of you please take your meds
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I like this guy’s art. It’s animu but nostalgic - I don’t know any other artists who replicate the pc-98 pixel style as good as him. Too bad he’s always getting into pointless discourse.
>>1293658>white person draws ugly asian with exaggerated features
it's ok, and fuck the asians who think it's racist because that's how they really look. asians have never been discriminated against or had racial caricatures made of them the way other races have.>white person draws ugly black person with exaggerated features
There are plenty of Black people with lips in that style. Not everyone has small lips or lip surgery.
Think of it this way, wouldn't giving a Black character thin lips in the same way non Blacks do be considered erasure?
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Ok anons don't call me crazy, but has this anon been racebaiting about black people across threads for the past few days? The twitter thread, stupid questions thread and probably some others too. The typing style is very similar. Don't know why mods won't ban
There's definitely a moid on here right now, I suspected it from other posts but he's on /g/ in the 'black problem' thread telling us to not use the internet because white men invented it lmao
Women gave birth to every man and enable their privileged existence through domestic and emotional labour so we are entitled to all their labour and creations until the end of time amen
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Parts taken out? Like picrel where part of the sphere is missing? Those line control exercises sound awesome, I'm gonna try that next, thank you!
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Can anyone recommend me artists similar to picrel? Artist name is uomic, I really like the anime style and rendering they do
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Adding to what other anon said you can try grid method, in art school I had an teacher that had us make a physical frame out of cardboard and strings, it can help - but only in the beginning, because it can become a crutch otherwise. Good practice would be also to plan out objects you're drawing in simplified forms just focusing on composition, so for example instead drawing a skull, bottle and vase just draw a square and two rectangles, focusing only on their relative sizes and placements, and only then go to planning out details of actual shapes.
This website! https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library
Just scroll a bit down to "Making the Switch to Digital Tools" and go through everything that interests you. There is a lot of very good explanations and exercises.
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nonas this is so fucking embarassing. i was cleaning my room and found a shitload of drawings i made in highschool, and honestly compared to the art that i make now they look so much fucking better. the composition and poses look really fluid and the shit i do now is just really stiff and boring in comparison. how the fuck do i reverse this
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I Recently read The Rape of the Masters and I was surprised to learn wokeoid shit was happening in art academia even back then(the book was released in 2003) the book details how well established and influential academics, since about 90's have been adding "meaning" to notable works of art, these include professor David Lubin's adding Freudian castration fantasies and latent transgender expression within Sargeant's "The Daughters of Edward Darley Boit", and Svetlana Alpers' trying to imply Marxist commodification rhetoric and implications of gender-confusion in Ruben's "Drunken Silenus."
and I was left wondering, what's the end goal for these people, is this all some elaborate joke or do they really believe the shit they spout
Oh my god,I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt this way about her. The Gary vee of artists is the perfect description for her. I can't stand her humble bragging fast talking style or her dry-ass art. You're right in that it's always the ones with money making consistent YouTube videos with the most generic art.
I feel like There's a lot missing in her videos about how she grew. I'm willing to bet she had plenty of help, which wouldn't be a problem if she weren't so disingenuous about it. But there's always going to be newbies eating this kind of shit content up. It's not her art that's particularly interesting it's these 'advice' videos. Advice I'm also willing to bet she never actually had to take.
I'd love to be wrong, though.
I hate videos like this because she's not making 6k off being an artist, she's making her income from giving Art Advice/Marketing tips, which is totally different from living off your art.
Art youtubers like Baylee Jae give a more realistic look at life as an artist, even if you don't particularly like her art.
Youtubers like this sell being an artist as some sort of lifestyle. Any art youtuber thumbnail that's focused on "aesthetics" instead of the actual art or art business itself, is immediately off-putting to me.
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What is supposed to be a sad panel is redrawn to look like she’s bored.
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luoman19921/ArtLuoman, she does mostly F/F and M/M but a decent amount of femdom stuff as well. very femgaze imo
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that's true, maybe this one is more representative of that, idk
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Pixiv has a lot of gems. It's obviously not free from moid femdom but it being mostly untouched by annoying westerners is a great point in its favor. This one is from users/2784396
I disagree to an extent. I blame the vertical scrolling format. Before webtoon, webcomics usually (but not always) had a standard comic page layout format, and artists would update maybe a couple times a week which, while still difficult, was a lot more manageable. Webtoon-style comics becoming the norm has started forcing artists to churn out 100+ drawings/pages a week to meet their weekly update quota. And producing the required quantity on a short deadline means the overall quality of the art and story suffers for it.
Sure, there's shortcuts in digital art, but a lot of webcomic creators are younger people fresh out of high school or college that don't understand that they need to pace themselves or push back against the sites that are hiring them and advocate for their own wellbeing.
It's concerning how many webtoon artists need to take extended breaks because they're injuring their wrists at 19 years old.
Preach, nona. I think most Webtoons are shitty because of how severely burnt out creators are, as well as how Webtoon editors even actively encourage
worse storytelling. One artist signed to an Originals deal revealed in a Twitter thread (which I can't find for the life of me) that her editors pressure the hell out of her to abandon her original story plans and direction to pursue what has more mass market appeal.