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No. 1259120
Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse!
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Recent Art Milk:
Just the same old salt
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
Previous thread:
>>>/ot/1177704 No. 1259133
>>1259123Samefren. Just thought I'd start off with an actual topic to discuss.
Have any of you nonas ever owned an Artisul tablet? They have some of their models on sale right now and I'm trying to decide if I want to get one. I've heard good reviews about them (no line jitter unlike other non-Wacom tablets, great performance and design), but I've also heard many complaints that they borderline do not function for some people. Is it worth the purchase?
No. 1259914
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>>1259120>Walks around to ask artists for opinions>Accidently picks the proud NFT supporter Jisu as one of these artists>Said supporter is also dripped in Smash related drama>Also has her art be the thumbnailUm Proko, your research reps?
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>video supposedly about potential clients
>throws in random complaint for half the video about students sending her questions for their class and not even knowing who she is (the fucking audacity)
>would totally do a zoom meeting with a whole class if their teacher just emailed her tho :)
do artists get paid to do student questionnaires?
some client complaints are understandable ngl
No. 1262046
>>1261752she responded to a comment saying they probably had an assignment to reach out to an artist they like and so a teacher email wouldn’t work.
Says the “problem” is that it puts all the “work” on the freelance artist and who spends all their time working to pay the bills constantly.
But she would be delighted to do a zoom call etc to the whole class? (When more than likely it’s only one student from that class who follows her and emailed her.)
How would that not take up even more time than responding to some email questions?
They’re not gonna pay you for your time to answer the questionnaire with your autobiography, and so definitely not for a guest lecture, so why pretend like you’d be interested and not ToTaLlY oFfEnDeD they want your time for free it it’s oh so valuable?
I do not understand a lot of these artists today. Just ignore the emails if they bother you THIS much
No. 1263328
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sage for venting
>forgot to sage in og post
>posted in the wrong thread
even if i don't care about internet fame and how i'd actually would nuke any of my account reaching over 1k followers, it gets sometimes sad to draw alone
I suck massive balls at socializing and I can count my fans on my fingertips, and my followers on the number of half of my hand. I don't draw fotm or starchildren OC, I don't pretend to be in the alphabet soup, I'm not that attractive so I can't pose in front of my drawing and finally I just have a newgrounds account because it feels less mind numbing than twitter
My problem is that I have mixed feelings about just knowing I'll never be famous and I just have a handful of clients that love my art and give me pocket money for my comm work. The other day, a client called me a hidden gem.
I am afraid of fame, but the lack of fame and seeing that my art has no visibility as I don't go the easy way out aka FoTM and conventional nsfw drawings, I know it's impossible. There's also the fact I refuse my ocs to be an alphabet soup fest to seem so speshuul and inclusive
I also don't want art to be my carreer, but the gaslighting making one believe than high follower count = good is giving me brainworms
>pic rel is a sketch i've done of the dna girl i've seen in gc back then, but i can't find ref of her so she looks like that one egirl from the game where zoomers didn't get the message and larp as her. I'm sorry for my handwriting but I just wanted to post a sketch I drew for nonnas
No. 1263497
>>1263328Do you have creative friends who also draw/write/make characters and are invested in your work/OCs? I think that's the cure, at least it is for me. I don't use social media at all and art is just a hobby for me, but I have a couple people in my life who are very supportive of me and my stories, and we talk character design and world building all the time, and always share our drawings and wips with each other. It makes the hobby much more fulfilling.
Think more about why you're longing for fame, followers, attention, money, etc. Maybe there's something else in your life or your past that's troubling you, but for some reason you think it would be solved by being a famous artist. Maybe you just need to get off social media, who knows.
I like your doodle btw it's very cute!
No. 1263724
>>1263489Don't know anything about that, but Jisu was sexually abused by a number of big name Smash people while she was still a minor. One of them helped her run her art store, and iirc, when they had a falling out, he had sole legal ownership of the brand and all the artwork under it. Which meant Jisu was no longer able to sell or distribute her own artwork.
She does go through periods where she vanishes for a while or drops projects (the newest nft scandal for instance), but I'd say she's justified in having some mental health problems and PTSD given what she went through for years.
No. 1263764
>>1263476>>1263537ngl you both need to learn and apply marketing skills. there's plenty of cute/sfw art that gets popular, it just takes different marketing tactics than catering to nsfw niches.
even as someone that does nsfw my art doesn't get a lot of views/likes bc I don't market it very well. Social media is an algorithm game you gotta learn how to run it.
No. 1264535
>>1263724Sucks for her. Was she able to get any legal action against her abusers? If she comes back and then disappears she needs to work on dealing with her past because she’ll be forgotten as an artist soon enough. If she plans to make this her job she’ll need to have support.
I don’t know much about Smash but I remember reading something about Reddit drama mods or abuse etc in that fandom before. It’s not surprising it’s multiple occupancies within that fandom.
No. 1264698
>>1263328I used to have some friends and acquaintances in high school who I could show my art to, and I really miss those days because we would just draw silly shit together and have fun. I was usually the most skilled one but it didn’t even matter because we were just trying to make each other laugh. Now I just have my siblings, and they keep telling me my art is good and that I should get on social media, but I’ve been putting it off because idk if I really want that. I’ve actually started accounts before and made a few posts but it’s nerve racking and feels like too much pressure, and I know it’s not completely rational but I feel like I have to be perfect because I’m exposing myself to the world. It gets to me and then idk what to even draw/post.
I don’t really have an answer, just wanted to vent too. Maybe one day I’ll give it a fair shot, but for now I’ll just enjoy being able to draw whatever/whenever I want with no pressure, even if I do miss the social interaction aspect.
No. 1264785
>>1261752Unrelated but is anyone else extremely put off by the ugliness of the average tiktok thumbnail.
it's so cluttered with text and little icons.
It seems like a lot of artists are getting onto the platform now too which also sucks, it's a worse timesink/numbers game than all of social media combined, hoping the platform dies like Vine.
No. 1264864
>>1264785Booktok and arttok are a bane for artists and creatives. I would like to see that platform die too but I think it’s too popular. Other SMs have adapted that format like IG and YouTube.
Trying to be an artist on that platform seems like a nightmare. You either find crappy tutorials, fotm challenges or drama.
No. 1265108
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3 different artist with the same style. how do they even do it? how does one adopt this artstyle?
No. 1265130
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>>1265108Ohisashiburi I’m pretty sure is the og. Be careful tho she draws loli if you plan to study her art.
No. 1265139
>>1265108Go over what
defines an art style. i.e. How does the artist use color, composition, contrast etc.?
Use the basics to examine examples of the art style you want to adopt.
Is their work romantic? More abstract? Is their line work heavy or fine? Do their shadows tend to be harsh or soft? How do they handle hair, eyes and other features?
Then, use qualities about their work that you discover this way and begin to practice them in your own work either one at a time or at a faster pace if you’re comfortable.
No. 1265447
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I get where this is coming from (stereotypes are annoying/assigning tropes based on race isn’t a good look) but these people are acting like putting an anime character in a dancer costume is a hate crime
No. 1265455
>>1265447Maybe not a crime but it is very annoying when something is written so obviously by horny dude artists/writers.
This reminds me so much of Primrose from Octopath Traveler. Raped and traumatized by her boss but once you got her away from that and in your party, her “power” was seducing enemies. Lmfao
No. 1265481
>>1264615I used to run in the popular sjw circles, and everytime there was a fight I would see tweets nonstop through their private account. I eventually distanced myself when they start to cannibalize their own friends because they were "
problematic" as in said something stupid once. It was really crazy because these were people who would uplift you and make you feel so important. But if you misstep by an inch, suddenly you're no better than the evil cishet white man. Interestingly, the people who they turned against were usually ~enby~ women or
woc.
No. 1265557
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I know this is old news but I am just now seeing this and I want to know if I have gone crazy or something.
He doesn't own the tiki drummer character and he's not the original artist who created it. Even the original artist who created it probably doesn't own it, it's owned by Disney. It's wrong for the person who clearly used his actual model to claim it as their own work, but the original "thief" here is the guy who decided to model a character that doesn't belong to him in the first place. Kind of ironic he is so insulting toward the Disney contractor that used the model.
I know people really hate Disney for various reasons but can we please stop pretending that what they do doesn't fall perfectly within the law? Granted, Disney is the reason copyright laws and fair use are the way they are today. That is what people should actually be angry about, the principle of the matter and not the legal aspect of it.
Because legally speaking, this guy has no leg to stand on.
Fan art does not fall under fair use if you make no changes to the copyrighted character etc. to make it effectively not that character anymore. Even IF you make no profit from or do not sell the work. And even if you do make changes, it may not be enough to fall under fair use. There are some grey areas but to put it in black and white terms, you don't have the right to copy the character or IP. A lot of companies just don’t bother to go after fan artists because it’s largely not worth it and can look bad just in principle.
But people are acting like what Disney did was literally illegal and this guy can sue.
He didn't even make any derivative changes to the character. He literally just recreated it in a specific medium, released it for free, and then got mad that Disney made money off of their own character.
If the tiki character belonged to some individual artist online and this guy had done the same thing to them, absolutely nobody would be on his side, even on principle because he directly just copied a character that isn't his. People are just up in arms because this character happens to belong to a large company or a company they already hate.
Like am I nuts or has the vast majority of the art community become crazy dumb?
No. 1265644
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>>1265557Lmfao what a loser.
>>1265636Are you a retard? Like what? From a moral standpoint no it’s not shitty and legally he has no leg to stand on. But what’s worse, he appears so homosexual by crying to media outlets lmfao. If that were me, I’d be proud and let people win the battles for me if there’s a need (no need), then again, I’m not a tiktok retard lol. Imagine pretending to be a fan and then it fails because you couldn’t profit from it lol.
No. 1266056
>>1265636How is it shitty if the work is of a character THEY literally own?
They own the entire concept of this character period. Works the same way for these same artists who shit their pants anytime someone even remotely copies their precious OC.
But as soon as Disney takes back what is theirs, they want to throw that shit out the window all of a sudden. Completely retarded and entitled behavior from the art community to the surprise of absolutely no one.
No. 1266059
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Dude photographers everywhere must constantly laugh their asses off and wipe their tears with bills at ultra realism artists.
This entire account is just a bunch of paintings with a huge disclaimer: THIS IS A PAINTING NOT A PHOTO
Fucking sure, Jan.
No. 1266083
>>1265644I'd like some of whatever paint thinner you've been drinking.
>>1266056It's shitty to take someone's work without acknowledging them. If, for example, someone drew fanart of your OC and then you used it wherever you wanted without mentioning the artist, that'd be scummy of you, even if it's your character. Even if it's a commission.
No. 1266682
>>1266270>>1266564Please listen to
>>1266300 for your own sake.
Charge more, update your terms to reflect revisions.
No. 1268273
>>1268166That’s hilarious
I don’t use Twitter so I really don’t know but that just sounds like a major cope
Sorry artists there just aren’t that many commissions out there
No. 1268429
>>1268166it did, because people linked their commission info on outside sites
I use "comm" and it works fine
No. 1268457
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It amazes me what hot garbage takes off and gets promoted on Webtoon. This looks like a 12 year old with a how to draw anime book made it. The content over quality meme is too real. It pisses me off because I have a friend who works her ass off on a great web series and is an amazing artist, but she barely gets any recognition over fetish service like this. It's shit like this that makes her wanna quit
No. 1268574
>>1268457This feels like a trans person who is living out how easy a transition could be in an ideal setting, but the fact he just liked dressing up as a girl and not the trans aspect, except the flag and probably nod towards it, feels extremely fetishy and less like it's a fantasy for transition and instead a fantasy for wanting to be a sissy.
Seems like using the guise of trans women to bypass people second guessing the fetish aspect of just dressing up as a girl.
No. 1268578
>>1268574>samefagI should've checked beforehand, but it feels a bit of both. I guess the character
is trans, but the way the person writes the synopsis and title makes it sound like it's possibly a low-key fetish. I didn't read everything, but I skimmed a few pages and read some comments and they are trans in the comic, so maybe it is a fantasy of an ideal transition situation?
No. 1268766
>>1268745I'm a "fast" artist or so people around me always told me that, since I'm able to finish a fully rendered piece in a handful of hours if I feel like it.
That however comes at the price of my health, so nowadays I stopped being a "fast artist" and I try to purposefully take a day or two to finish my art for the sake of my own body. It's also good because by taking a longer time to finish a piece, I get to pick up mistakes I failed to notice earlier.
Basically? I'd say it heavily depends on the person. I've known artists who are as fast as I am, and others who need weeks to finish something. Plus, I wouldn't say that being "fast" is a good thing speaking from my own experience.
No. 1268769
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I usually just speed scroll past any artists that post selfies, but how tf did she think this was a flattering look?
https://twitter.com/Pockicchi/status/1549405309856268292 No. 1268791
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>>1268777ugly girls can’t have nothing in this world, can they?
No. 1268897
>>1268745Personal tip, You shouldn’t compare times with artists because it’ll really drain you. Some artists with high details/realistic work can take less than 4 hours (or even 10-20 mins) while others take a whole day or even more. Same with artists with shit art.
With that said, try to work at your own pace. Just because you “work fast”, doesn’t or shouldn’t mean that you’re better as an artist
No. 1269017
>>1268875Globalcomix seems to be decent enough. Dillyhub is confusing but might be worth looking into.
If your friend is really good, she can wait until Hiveworks' applications are open and try to pitch her series.
No. 1269081
>>1268769huge fucking shoes
entered to her account and her art seems weird for porn twitter tbh
No. 1269566
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>>1269550 Samefag…anyway i'm really salty and just sad about money, This artist Miles-DF is amazing and all but he/she sells an Ych for 1 year worth of pay where i live. I could take the time and paint a picture of this quality, even more detailed, but nobody would buy it for that kind of money from me. It's all about the name and luck to be on the right website at the right time so enough rich people see you. I'll never be so lucky.
No. 1269574
>>1269505You’re too sweet, thank you, same for you!
>>1269566I’m sorry, I know how frustrating it is that that guy gets to sell everything in minutes when there are higher skill artists.
Are you making sure to do YCHs, gay NSFW and cartoon style? Those are the themes that seem to attract the most. Scrotes love their specific scrotey kinks and gross hyper explicit perspective. I wish you luck
nonnie, don’t lower your prices if you can avoid it. If they want pieces from you they should pay for it.
No. 1269576
>>1269566Is that $5,200…. DOLLARS?
That price is honestly insulting. Who tf is buying a furry picture instead of a car
No. 1269614
>>1269574sometimes i do them but i gotta do more, i'm thinking about animating somethig gay and weird. Thanks.
>>1269576i guess it's the gucci of furryart
No. 1269624
>>1266300This. Generally speaking if artists stopped taking in these "$30 emergency commissions" just to squeeze out a few bucks they would already weed out most unpleasant and entitled clients by having higher prices.
>>1268769I really don't see what's wrong with this or why it warrants posting here. It's just a generic pink poofy outfit that you can think is cringe if you're not into that sort of thing but it's not offensive or anything. It's just a dress and shoes and I don't even see what exactly makes her a cow, it just seems to be another generic not-quite-anime artist with a self-insert marysue. People really should stop bringing their petty twitter feuds here.
No. 1270046
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This is sad but true. OP is a troon who draws big boobed furry girls though why is he complaining about shit like this
No. 1270069
>>1270046I mean I can understand how it’s jarring for fanartists to draw characters much more attractive than they really are (
fujos drawing paul dano as a pointy chin yaoi boy) but him complaining about woman drawing attractive men while he draws pornified female characters is peak moid irony.
No. 1270097
>>1269576It's just like that when you have the disposable income and already have your needs taken care of for the most part.
not to mention depending on where you get it from or how much of a deal it is, a 5200 car might cost more in maintenance and repair.
No. 1270604
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What’s with artists drawing super masculine men and going, “She/Her,” cause that’s one masculine women.. l
No. 1270749
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>>1270700If feminine anime characters like that Astolfo guy can be male, then it makes sense to me there’d be artists who go the opposite direction.
What do you think of pic related? She’s a butch lesbian and I’m curious how anons would see her since threads have mentioned butches before
No. 1270757
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>>1270046the only artists that draws men like on the right is Araki. He couldn't sound more jealous even if he tried, he's too coombrained to differentiate between attractive men and gay caricatures from 50's cartoons.
No. 1270846
>>1270766But nobody said she was or wanted to be a man
>>1270749Doesn’t really stick out as like attractive to me but I’m sure she’s cute
No. 1270927
>>1270046Haha this fucker is so salty, I love to see them seething.
>>1270604It's most likely her trying to make a cool female characters but failing because she only knows how to draw hot men. I see this a lot in bl korean webtoons as well, if there's a female character often it's just a man drawn with boobs or something that looks like a tranny.
No. 1271103
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>>1270749You're right. If you check the artist's other works it becomes obvious that it's just a masculine woman and that they barely even draw men. What is a butch supposed to look like according to anons kek does she have to have curves and long eyelashes or what?
No. 1271264
>>1271103this reads more female than
>>1270604 because you can see her boobs in the first one
women will never have broad shoulders like a man. her hairline, jawline, facial features and skeleton are different from a man's. if the artist isn't skilled enough to draw a masculine woman with accurate anatomy, it'll read as a dude.
No. 1271687
>>1271546>What does it matter if the shoulders are "too broad" or face too angular?because these are drawings, not real women. real women don't need breasts, or soft faces, and there can be women in all shapes, but like you simplify for animation, there is a commonly understood separation between male/female anatomy when it comes to art.
men and women are different, and if an artist wants to exaggerate certain features to create androgyny, they better be skilled enough to do it right, or it'll just look like the opposite sex. slapping on she/her pronouns doesn't make the drawing look like a woman lol
No. 1271695
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>>1271687Seethe. I wish more female character looked like this so that coomer moids would flip their shit over muh unrealistic masculine women while having absolutely no problems with traps.
No. 1271703
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>>1271696You could take like 2 seconds to google image search "female bodybuilders" and get a plethora of women that look almost exactly like
>>1271103 . Are you honestly so autistic you're trying to clock a cartoon character with obviously exaggerated features like cartoon characters tend to have?
No. 1271748
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Don’t make me tap the sign
No. 1271775
>>1270046This is especially embarrassing since there are a ton of female artists that draw men like the left one and are into it
Tranny should leave his coomer hugbox for once lul
No. 1271781
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>>1270046Kek I love watching trannies get ratio’d by women
No. 1271835
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What do you guys think of Telepurte? Me and my friends are convinced he's a secret sex pest
No. 1271847
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>>1270046This one (and any others similar to it) are based and actually accurate
No. 1271857
>>1271835I watched some of his videos. Most are barely animations. Just women breathing or laying there on a three frame cycle
Though the man has made some good animations, they're rare and barely get any views compared to his booba animations
I'm just waiting for the expose video that he groomed a teen on discord
No. 1271904
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Always weird to see re-draw posts where there is 0 progress, if not an active regression. Do the artists truly think no one will notice?
No. 1271935
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>>1271904If anyone has more images like these PLEASE share they're my favorite
No. 1271952
>>1271904Honestly that one isn't that bad. You can see her lines became less chicken scratchy (or at least she actually cleans them up) and those white lines were kinda dumb and random. Acatcie specifically had other re-draws that were posted in past threads and were way worse. She also had redraw posts where it was extremely obvious the "old" post was fake and made specifically so she could make a fake re-draw but still managed to look better than the "newer" one.
She hasn't posted in a huge while tho, so I feel it's kinda beating a dead horse to even mention her.
No. 1272046
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>>1271835I don't mind his stuff. He does great rendering.
No. 1272049
>>1271909Tbh, top one was probably made by 2 or 3 different people. Promotional stuff like that sometimes gets approved for sketches/idea, then lining, and if they are in the process of putting out a bunch of things, especially LL with all their merch and even coverings on trains and shit, that's a lot of work that gets passed off and finished by different groups.
You sound fucking stupid, anon.
No. 1272078
>>1271961I miss Rory, her art was hilarious
I felt kind of bad for her when she got canceled for that Finn drawing. I really don't think she was trying to be racist since all the white people she drew were also surreal blobby muppet people with giant lips.
No. 1272409
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>>1270046Female artists who draw hot guyd are based, like Nicola Scott
No. 1272418
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Thoughts on Stephanie Priscilla? I think she can't draw and is only popular because she appeals to coomers with a (poorly done) retro art style/aesthetic.
No. 1272426
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>>1272415Secret Six, written by Gail Simone, there are a lot of shirtless buff dude scenes
No. 1272436
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>>1272422She's not the worst artist out there, but for an artist that has 40k on Twitter alone, her characters look stiff and unlively, the anatomy is sometimes bad, and the bright colors that she uses in a lot of her drawings are eyebleeding and terrible.
No. 1272441
>>1272436I mean, to continue the fast food analogue McDonalds is the biggest restaurant chain in the world with basic ass food. I think her style is appealing to many people, simple as.
Her art is very ripped off on Aliexpress btw, I unknowingly bought stickers and so many of them use her art
No. 1272497
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>>1272418She's not popular because of coomers, she has almost 500k followers on instagram because her art has an aesthetic that appeals to the people on there. Everyone knows that artists who limit themselves to a certain palette or style will grow big followings because people like seeing the same or similar things over and over. Her technical skills are obviously lacking but it doesn't even matter because the colors cover it up and no one spends much time looking at individual art pieces anymore. It literally is the fast food version of art as
>>1272422 said.
No. 1272769
>>1272000She did a really big hiatus and then posted an insta story saying she didn't really want to draw anymore because of how much criticism she got.
I'm kinda armchairing here, but I get a bit the feeling the reason she was so stagnant was that she wasn't even all
that art-inclined from the start (but was lucky to have a naturally good/decent eye for colours + getting caught in the wave when cutesy "aesthetic" artists were the big insta trend) and she was starting to get burned out and tired of doing it.
No. 1272984
>>1272577I don't care if he's a degen, tbh. Not every girl is an innocent Heidi roaming the hills and singing the sound of music. I like his work, anon and I can separate the art I do like from the art I don't like from him. Not everything he draws is even good at all, especially when he's experimental, but I'm not going to throw every piece of art out the window just because he's a dude who drew
>>1271835 [which is a massive vanilla photo too]. This can easily be for women's gaze too and why not? Pair her up with
>>1271103 tall girl
No. 1273238
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>>1273049this is a terrible comparison, it's more so anon just isn't into drawn masculine women lol
No. 1273409
>>1271835>>1272046This art looks something a scrote would post in the beg threads on /ic/, it’s really generic and amateur looking
>>1272418Looks like she got into artists like Hisashi Eguchi and Yoshitake Yamane that do the retro style but doesn’t really know anatomy.
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It drives me insane how I still cannot figure out what color scheme (just basic stuff! eyes and hair color) to give to my OC. I am so FUCKING SICK of that. I keep wanting to just give my natural hair color and eye color but I end up overthinking about it too much since it's my OC that I am drawing. How do people even figure out what haircolor to give to their OC that will be their mascot?!?! It's so silly, I know. Maybe I should think in 'what if I would want to cosplay it' or something, then I start thinking that black hair color would be nice but I am really into 'colorful' cute anime chars, but here I am cannot figure such simple thing out.
No. 1273997
>>1271835I like his animations they're sometimes quite mesmerizing and he has done a lot of impressive but I wish he would stop being such a coomer like "oh wow another boobly woman how original". Unfortunately I'm not surprised about him being creepy towards his female fans
>>1272984Be honest with yourself is this really for the female gaze?
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>>1273667I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to pay 14 a month to use it but I guess you gotta spend money to make money…….
No. 1274250
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Cinnabus feels like the bastard child of Mickey Moon and reddit girls posing in a slutty position to get attention to her art. I'm sorry for my post being more about being a thot than about her art
She draws messed up "bleached" and slightly ryona porn while she self inserts herself to it, advertises her onlyfan because of fucking course she has one and coomers can't realize she's using a snow filter when her black shirt is literally brown.
Her art is average at best and she only makes banks because she's open being a woman drawing le fucked up porn, shows her tits and advertise herself for having an onlyfans.
She also looks like the kind of onlyfan girl to claim oh how the other girls are soooo vanilla and I'm betting my hand her porn is at most a pathetic dildo like peenus angelic does it lol. I'm also betting my other hand she looks as haggard as Manaknight without a filter.
Twitter :
https://twitter.com/cinnabus/ No. 1274291
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>>1270604people can do what they want in art, kek. who cares if someone wants to make a reverse trap/bifaxuen character
No. 1274374
>>1273277>>1272984Kek you're so fucking
triggered by me saying his rendering is average, it's ridiculous. You're either a moid or a pickme.
Even if he wasn't a degenerate (which is a good reason not to like someone's art, especially if he's a man who can't keep his dick away from the drawing tablet) his rendering IS objectively average. His animations are nice (in quality), although some of them have very few frames. The rendering you call "great" is literally just your standard Instagram painting style. It's average.
No. 1274572
>>1271703NTA, but the person in the photo you posted is clearly an actual muscular woman, while
>>1271103 is really just the artist drawing a man, lazily throwing tits on and saying "she/her" kek
Traps like Astolfo are a shit meme too. I'm tired of the coping, this is ridiculous
No. 1274691
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>>1274671 Do just like
nonnie here
>>1263328Make the character the most gender critical character on earth to make trannies seethe and cry about it when they put your character as their pfp and learn the actual origin of it.
On a serious note. Pastel characters are too overdone and limiting yourself to a palette is why all OCs are all unique yet all the same, generate a random palette instead if you're autistic about it.
Araki taught me how a good character doesn't need an actual fixed and curated color palette to look good. A good design is also about the shape and silhouette of the character, how their personality and story sparks in how you draw them. The color is just like the cherry on top of it.
Good luck, anon!
No. 1274707
>>1271935I hope this artist goes back to her original style. It stands out more than being an AC clone. Sad.
>>1272497If this is all her work the majority looks like she traced or heavily referenced AI Yazawa, unless she’s doing some fan art, like picrel.
No. 1274728
>>1274149He does, but I will say that I see him often use the excuse of "these were supposed to be delayed by hours…apart" or sometimes "days apart" when it's clearly a post that even he has marked at the end of the tweet
1/3 and so forth. It does have issues with fucking up when you do multiple posts like that. otherwise he can be asleep and it'll post for him and stuff, but tbh, twitter itself does still have a time function, so you can schedule you're own posts yourself. The only other thing I think is useful, which is the only reason I share his account and we are connected, is that it has told me what time I get the most engagement to post. It's like 7am. Which fucking sucks, but tbh, unless someone around 11am or something finally reblogs it, I don't get much traction because no one is fucking awake that early and regardless, people will see it if you reblog at the right times, so the time to post thing is pretty useless.
No. 1274825
>>1272418I like it but I also like Hisashi Eguchi like other nonna
>>1273409 mentioned lol
No. 1274833
>>1274671So what? It's your OC. Make it look like whatever you want. Don't give it a fixed color palette. Change the hair and eye color all you want without changing the design. Don't like it? Redesign it. There are no rules. Too many of you agonize over the tiniest details that no one other than you will ever notice or care about. Spend less time on lolcow if it's affecting your mentality that much.
>>1274317What? Most women have small or average-sized breasts. Really fucking sick of the idea that if a woman is depicted with a flat chest, the artist must be a pedophile.
No. 1274909
>>1274771well, depends. if you want commissions fast but with a sacrifice, underprice them (which is honestly a shitty option).
the best way is to build your fanbase- and also maybe do some of those YCH commissions.
No. 1274928
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I used to hate those ship dynamic memes so fucking much and now that lolifags have found them I can’t even stand it.
No. 1274959
>>1274850>deformed flat-chestedNTA, yes it's fucked how she advertises herself to scrotes but are you seriously called someone deformed for having a small chest? the fuck?
>>1274943It means that the moid's favorite kind of pairing has a big, responsible adult character who is seduced by a slutty small child character. In other words, the artist is a pedophile
No. 1274973
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>>1274850The fuck are you on if you think this is a flat chest? Every picture I can find of this girl is emphasizing how large her chest is, not downplaying it.
No. 1275009
>>1274993>>1274959Anon is right, OP Draws that type of shit why are you defending it?
And no one asked about your scrote, out of all the threads to talk about him you chose a fucking art thread? what an obnoxious midget
No. 1275014
>>1275009Strange, I was wrong
>>1275009Anon was being dumb yeah but you don’t have to be so aggressive
No. 1275050
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>>1274993This. The post is about size difference couple of gentle giant / comically short character. It doesn't even have sexes to it it you be lesbian gay straight and even for monster shit
I love drawing huge hunky monster men like pyramid head with smaller character like the nurses or even monster OC with an astounding size difference with their peer and this shipping dynamic speaks to me
If anon see pedophilia with it she's got a fucking issue when it's a meme about size queens and kings.
No. 1275082
>>1275072I'm not the anon who said the size queen thing. I'm
>>1274993>>1275074Thats fine and dandy for them, but the actual tweet doesn't have that context just from looks alone, so I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be taken as "BLANK couple dynamic" and "does anyone agree??". The "I shouldn't so this" also refers to big dicks which is a common trope that comes with this size different dynamic.
No. 1275095
>>1275082Just because it doesn't have that context to you doesn't mean that's not what it's about. If the OP of that tweet is someone likes loli, I think it's safe to assume that's what that "ship dynamic" tweet was about too. You and the other anon(s) need to stop taking it so personally because of your own kinks or relationships. Nobody said you can't like size differences and no one is attacking what you guys like.
>>1275074Samefag because I forgot to say this, but I have no idea what gender or sexuality would even have to do with that picture regardless of what it's about.
No. 1275137
>>1275095It doesn't discount the fact that it is a
valid dynamic regardless of this lolicon. Anons stay mad.
No. 1275930
>>1275084>>1275098nonas have become schizos
i miss when you could just talk about artists without it devolving into in-fighting, pedophilia and tranny speculations. like you could actually say you thought an artist was good at something without people having to swoop in and just say lul no it isnt good its just average
No. 1276562
>>1275930Let’s change it then anon.
What’s your current favorite traditional artist and digital artist? I’m always look for new artists in both mediums.
No. 1277283
>>1276860"I'm sooo incredibly lucky, privileged and grateful-"
I mute when I see that. Just feels like self congratulatory shoving it in your face.
No. 1277367
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Sorry to ruin the thread again. I liked Hallot alot back when she used to draw DMC fanart but what’s with the tranny flag? Did she troon out or is she just a TRA now?
No. 1277443
>>1275488That works but the real money comes from hitting fandoms that are niche but have cult followers
>>1277374Anon is discussing an artist so it’s relevant, unlike your complaining
No. 1277512
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Burger Nonnies Joannes has 40% off the we r memory keepers button press stuff. I want to get it so bad but I don't think my audience buys buttons. It came out to $161 with SAVE10 coupon for the press (comes with medium), large & small insert, large/small/medium 100 each refills. I want to get it!
No. 1277969
>>1277937i was kind of hoping for online, currently alive artists. i already know about gogh.
>>1277964i really should be but i'm not, i'd like examples of other people doing it
No. 1278340
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Why is Dave Rapoza posting so many same-faced anime girls all of a sudden? It’s not that bad but I prefer his realistic stuff.
No. 1278343
>>1278216Don't quit art because of social media culture
nonnie. If you genuinely enjoy doing it then do it for yourself!
No. 1278345
>>1278279This will be based on my very limited experience, but I hope it helps you in some way. The best way to learn things, including fundamentals is to struggle with them a bit first. Try drawing what you want to draw, it will look like absolute shit in the beginning but slowly you'll understand what you need to study more. The reason everyone insists on fundamentals is because you keep coming back to them all the time, you never learn them 100% in one go. I have always learned better when I tried applying fundamentals to what I want to draw, I realize which ones I was the worst at, then went back to them, then tried again… repeat. When studying from courses, videos whatever, avoid the same artist, school etc, I lost count how many times I heard the same explanation but in different ways, for some reason that little difference was enough to make me finally understand things. My final tip is to look for how graphic designers use gestalt, composition, color. They tackle the same ideas we need to deal with while drawing but usually with more simple elements, which personally made me understand the concepts much easier than looking at master's art explanations of the same concepts, but maybe I am just dumb. Do a study from an artist you like, even if you fail it will be worth as practice. Do them in black and white in the beginning so it's a bit easier and don't worry if turn out terrible, I know plenty of people who are amazing, true references in their fields, but they still are rarely happy with what they create. Creating is a weird experience of never being satisfied, always striving to do better, you need to fall in love with the process, the result is almost never as satisfying.
No. 1278384
>>1278345Thank you so much for your input! I wasn’t sure if I should focus faces, figures, etc but I think I’ll push myself into the deep end while taking a few days a week to study one, the other and environments. The last time I seriously drew I was 17 and studying fashion, I just need to get my head space less jumbled to think more like I did at 17 while pushing the old weeb in me away.
Thank you again for your feedback! I think I’ll pick up some anatomy books too, because realism/semi realism are the styles I like the most.
>>1278358I where I grew up, the majority of people in university and college were my age now, only a year or two in. I think too many people focus on how young others start. I’m not same anon who asked.
No. 1278960
>>1277913The average 18 year old in modern times in first/second world countries kind of mirrors a very sedentary lifestyle. Some don’t have to die in a war, help the family farm, become a nurse during the war or help a war effort through factory work. I’m probably speaking out of the bias of a burgerfag, but 18 year olds have more time to scribble shit and practice than someone as old as you nonna who has more duties or responsibilities. Take your time, there’s a shit load of artists like
>>1277937 who started very late and even created art but died during a war. A lot of 18 year olds live a tiny bit comfier lives in the western world, much time to waste
No. 1279330
>>1277913Speaking as a zoomer who took classes with a lot of these "prodigies", you'd be surprised by how many resources and art supplies they have at their fingertips. Knew a girl who called herself self-taught when both her parents were artists and let her attend figure drawing classes since age 12. Knew another girl who got expensive, professional-grade art supplies every other month while still in grade school. All of them seemed to live very comfortable and responsibility-free lives allowing them only to focus on art, and they've probably been at it for a much longer time than you were ever afforded, Nona.
>In fact, most of them are so privileged that they complain of having trauma from being "young and gifted".Don't beat yourself for not meeting this ridiculous standard. Your art reflects your worldview, something these (often) cushy nepotism babies unfortunately lack. You have something valuable and unique to offer the world via your art.
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>>1278216There is no reason to idolize consistency when it creates seemingly identical drawings.
It's in your best interests to redline 5 existing arts as pre-preparation so you can make 1 good drawing instead of 12 that you would never want us to see.
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https://twitter.com/LeaguePrideZine/status/1551982767038009344This zine's first mistake was doing blind applications, they didn't know what terminally online losers they were welcoming into the zine. Being a good artist shouldn't be the only criteria for acceptance into a zine, you need to pick people that you know will work well together, and aren't anti-social weirdos.
Do nonas ever get worried about psychos digging up your past like this, especially if you drew nsfw or
problematic ships? Things that used to be ok in 2010 will literally get you doxxed and called a pedo in 2022.
As always, it's women who face consequences, while male coomers draw the most disgusting shit out in the open.
No. 1280062
>>1280014What's the point of worrying? They fucked up when they didn't laugh their loser intel out of the group for bothering with that much effort instead of working on their contribution. Safe to say, but these witchhunts are
triggered out of jealousy and the need for control.
No, I'm not afraid of someone who will never get past drawing horn-nosed genderblobs with cankles. It is sad that it makes me reluctant to join group projects that would give me a chance to collaborate with other women, but I think being the change you want to see will help counter these people once you take their power away. I wish the artist the best of luck. It might be a blessing in disguise.
No. 1280322
>>1280014its bizarre how LoL turned from a
toxic shitfiesta into a full-on woke-pandering community. People keep swiping Riot's past sexual assault and harassment allegations. They would have been canceled if they were as big as Blizzard back then or now.
No. 1280455
>>1280280Yeah, they cancelled the zine, it's only been a month into the creation period lmao
Another reason this zine might've got more scrutiny is because it's a "queer" themed zine, always a signal for pearl clutching gendies. The mods were cowards for rewarding stalking/doxxing behavior.
No. 1280592
>>1280014What did the artist do anyway for these freaks to call her
problematic? I personally have some squicks with certain ship tropes but if I’m organizing a zine I wouldn’t give a fuck about what ships the applicant likes. Ironic how this happens when scrotes who draw lolicon get jobs in the industry.
No. 1280618
>>1280014This isn’t the first time I’ve seen an artist get kicked out of a zine because of some mundane stuff.
>>1280014 To answer your question the artist drew a ship between a woman and her adoptive father which is creepy but not something worthy of blacklisting. Also kek at the autists in the qrts trying to turn this into some anti/proship debate when a real woman got doxxed.
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>>1280153A lot of challenges dont seem super popular but for August there’s ISmaugust. It’s all about dragons and not LotR. I guess you could retool it to fantasy only if you don’t want to draw dragons all month. Unsure of the popularity of the hashtags.
September has swordtember and sketchtember which you could roll into inktober or another October challenge if you want to get ahead of the due dates.
No. 1280744
>>1280201Thanks again
nonny. What do you usually stock for cons or buy? I have seen bigger prints being sold at higher volumes than smaller ones; could depend on the location too. I have 5x7 and 8x10, a few 11x17 wouldn’t hurt.
No. 1280749
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I know drawing Asians with too yellow skin is bad but how is drawing eyes like this racist…?
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>>1280749It isn't, people are just retards.
Reminder that this animation, made about Chinese immigrant culture
by a Chinese immigrant, was called racist because the eyes were deemed too squinty.
There are plenty of Asians with eyes in that style. Not everyone has anime eyes or eyelid surgery.
Think of it this way, wouldn't giving an Asian character round big eyes in the same way non Asians do be considered erasure?
No. 1280834
>>1280749those eyes are stylized, not in a mocking way as far as i can see. and even if it was mocking… yeah caricatures are a thing and most people merely pretend to be offended by them. i'm genuinely shocked sometimes when faced with people this sheltered.
>>1280758>thus don't do thatcute how you think you're the one to hand out permissions
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>>1280749This TIF tard draws East Asian people with weird slit eyes herself. I can already predict the excuses 'IM ASIAN SO I CAN DO IT!! NON ASIANS DO NOT INTERACT'… girl shut the fuck up
No. 1281155
>>1280749If Asians draw eyes like this, then it's not racist!!! This isn't like a minstrel caricature of a black person invented by white people.
Idiots like this just scare people into not drawing different ethnic features at all. I guess fugly anime and cartoons are the only safe stylizations in the twitterverse
No. 1281573
>>1281155But then again this post is referring to a artist that was in hot water earlier this year or last year about two white artists which would give their asian characters yellow skin, and only these eyes. One of them then drawing nsfw with all these all three features which came off as… and then the icing on the cake of having no self awareness was that they slanted up the eyes to a unnatural degree.
And if I recall, all their non Asian characters never had these eyes, it wasn’t just centered around these artists in the meme, there was broadly a wider discussion on why do non Asian artists often fixate on this one stereotypical appearance.
It was a mess. I don’t think it’s inherently bad tor non Asians to draw those eyes but so many of the artists who bite the concepts from random aesthetics Pinterest accounts have no self awareness or tact.
No. 1281592
Also, while I wouldn’t do it personally, reclaiming aspects of the imagery as a Asian is very, very different contextually from drawing narrow eyes, yellow skinned Asian characters from a non Asian, while not all, a East Asian drawing themselves as yellow, though this is a hyper specific context. In short, it’s super, super, super easy to just draw these eyes and not be a weirdo.
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is anyone else a bit weirded out by artists like pic rel who draw nothing but themselves for most of the time? Like how do you not get bored of yourself
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>>1281922This doesn't seem weird she's smart. She knows the goth girl thing is hot shit right now it's deliberate choice. I'm not into it but I get why it sells. I just saw some men seething about her a few days ago saying she's a fake goth girl and an attentionwhore because she doesn't like people drawing porn of her but still wants to be successful. What a terrible crime
>>1281966>she wasn't very pretty so I never understand why she liked herself so muchWtf
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>>1280749Don’t you know? If you don’t draw Asians with wide anime eyes then you’re being racist
Pictel was made by a Chinese studio and Chinese people got angry at it because of how the characters looked like, the design was very deliberate.
No. 1282166
>>1281983Thats kind of how a lot of 4 panel comics got started too. It's a sort of 'Day in the Life'. Other comics that did this were
WHOMP! and
Jen-Jen on Tapas.
No. 1282290
>>1282281What one artist considers a doodle isn't going to be the same as what another artist considers a doodle. If someone spend about an hour on their finished pieces, then a 20 minute drawing might not be a doodle. But if this is an artist that spends 40, 50 hours on finished pieces then something quick that only takes them an hour IS a doodle for them. It's about the amount of effort spent.
>>1281995What the fuck is wrong with you? Because you think she wasn't attractive, it makes her self-obsessed and vain to enjoy drawing herself? Do you think only attractive people are allowed to be comfortable with themselves, anon? She got her work in a gallery, good for her. Stay bitter.
No. 1282296
>>1282290I don't understand the anger that comes from an artist who called their unfinished work 'doodles'. Sorry it's not all scribbles? How do anons thing charcoal artists doodle? They work in sometimes broad strokes, and create forms, but that also creates depth due to the overlapping of the charcoal.
Here's an example. This isn't finished. This is a sketch, a doodle, but an anon would probably flip and call this a finished piece or a rendered 'sketch'. Come on.
No. 1282300
>>1282061>>1282069>>1282115i like the designs as well, and i'm very surprised the chinese are self-hating when they seem so diligently patriotic.
>>1282209and to think once upon a time, on dA, teenagers would post random scribbles on lined paper with the caption "this took me 2 hours O.o"
No. 1282334
>>1282307Oh I fully agree. I don't have the attention span to spend more than 10 hours on a complex, finished piece. Even 5 hours is pushing it. Most of my drawings take me less than one or two hours, because I get sick of looking at them.
I know people draw at different rates, but if you're spending 15 hours painstakingly drawing a sketch and lineart and it looks equivalent to something someone else could finish in two hours, your process is very inefficient.
No. 1282336
>>1282322That's what thumbnailing is for, but we all know most twitter artists don't do these and just bruteforce their art process into completion. like
>>1282334 said, if you need over 15 hours to finish a piece that doesn't even have a proper background or any detail that may justify lots of time, then youre process is horribly inefficient. Or maybe you just suck.
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I don't really use IG so I got curious. Do you think this has some truth to it or is this a massive cope?
No. 1282445
>>1282427I don’t mind the video format, it’s a really good for exposure and some of the challenges are kind of fun and only possible on video format
But it is getting tiring, no one is looking at the art or details.
No. 1282459
>>1282446Lost faith in DA after someone with admin privileges on the site leaked my IP to several people, one with a vendetta against me. And another who led a discord community I was part of and tried to kick me out of it. I opened a support ticket with DA, got told I was mistaken, that couldn't happen and was also illegal (the person who was given the IP was even boasting about getting her admin friend to prove my identity) and then stopped responding. Said community leader now is sponsored by DA on twitch.
Basically don't fucking trust DA, they don't vet people who have access to users' private information.
No. 1283145
>>1281966>She wasn't very pretty in my opinion so i never understand why she liked herself so muchNot everyone is as obsessed with looks as you are
>>1283105I'm scared of being cancelled over Pixiv/Twitter likes from when I was pornsick years ago
No. 1283155
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>>1283147I made the mistake of making a career out of providing art/graphics to influencers/youtubers, so now I am stuck forever walking on eggshells trying not to get canceled and lose my job. I still post my degenerate personal art on /ic/ and I often get asked for a blog, but I don't wanna bite and end up #canceled.
No. 1283170
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what makes westaboo art so soulful? I find the original PnP cartoon horrible, probably one of the ugliest looking cartoons ever, however, I am obsessed with Japanese fanart of the show. I am trying to study what makes it so appealing compared to western fanart.
No. 1283252
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>>1283231There's a bunch of it on Twitter and pixiv. I am amazed at how Japanese artists take super ugly designs, shoot them with the ''westaboo'' laser beam and make them appealing. They are also weirdly cute, pic rel is the husbando of the artist and she draws a bunch of utterly soulful and cutesy art of this random side character from PnP I forgot existed, mad respect honestly.
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>>1283252here's another from the same character, i also like how she varies on the style.
No. 1283273
>>1283253This colouring is actually really pretty. Who's the artist?
>>1283170My two cents: I loved Disney a lot when I was younger and there's a lot of these types of artists around even today. Insanely high skill especially for the subject matter. A lot of them also draw pretty degenerate porn and don't try to hide it, which tbh I admire them for. It has to be autism but I think they're based as fuck.
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>>1283262is he really? i just remember him being there for like a second saying a punchline
>>1283273@kinu_0825 . so far I haven't seen any of these westaboo artists draw porn, most seem to get obsessed over a western show and make a bunch of cute fanart/AU of it
No. 1283284
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>>1283279also, i like how there is a dedicated Japanese PnF fujo community.
No. 1283587
>>1283091Pre-Social media, I knew a few artists who did this. They posted pinups but had a persona they channeled and were unrecognizable in person. There's a balance you can strike up, but I don't think it flows as well during the current era unless you keep hard boundaries.
>>1283147Considering that most cancellations stem from the ringleader politicizing their own obsessions (a ship that contradicts their favorite ship or self-insert fantasy, for example), we need to stop living in fear of hypocrites.
>>1283170Not that the JP art scene isn't w/o its problems, but I think it's because lots of them come from a place where drawing as a hobby is genuinely appreciated from within, so improving your artwork just to draw your favorite characters better is a drive many adopt. Combine that with how their fandom culture isn't as politicized as ours, and you get stuff that's coming from the heart, untainted and free.
>>1283284It is my DREAM to go to a westaboo event.
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>>1283587>Not that the JP art scene isn't w/o its problemsi find it hilarious that bunch a of JP fujos managed to make a fanbook of a super niche ship from a western cartoon completely funded by themselves but western artists can't even make a Persona Fanbook funded by fans without spending all the money on genshit
No. 1283989
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>>1283739Kek thought you were talking about stuff like pic related until I realized you said pixel art. I don’t really have an issue because like other anon said
>>1283949Artists who do the same with detailed paintings are obviously humblebragging, but at the same time I can’t help but be impressed anyway. Wondering what made this stuff more popular in recent years, because back when everyone still used tumblr, the mspaint artists I followed always posted the art as is.
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>>1271935>>1271904Just stumbled on this sideways improvement.
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>>1283989 the worst part of this is OP just copied a Korean toy artist's photo on Instagram, only credited them when the pic blew up. Notice the do not copy text on their profile.
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>>1283739I feel bad but I honestly enjoy seeing some of it. That being said I don’t really follow any artists that do it regularly, just see it from time to time. I’m an older millennial and it does make me feel nostalgic since it’s what so many people started with. I get how it could be annoying and how people would use it to humblebrag though. But it is nice seeing people play with the medium too.
No. 1284615
>>1284461I was in a temporary raid last year and one girl was a gender special and I couldn’t with her. Don’t want to imagine being commissioned by them.
>>1284522Don’t they have brushes now instead of pencil? I remember this and Photoshop were used a lot in the dolling community but Paint had a higher skill level if you just did pixel dolls because of its limitations
No. 1284952
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>>1284646It's the "marker" brush. The "natural pencil" also has some transparency.
The "oil paint" and "watercolor" brush also has some tapering on the end and some texture. This is MS Paint version 6.1
No. 1285114
>>1285088Have you tried your local art center or gallery. Some of them have open exhibits and you can apply? Always worth a shot.
You can also volunteer for charity auctions and do ornaments for exposure at the holidays to help raise money for a good cause too. If you have a portfolio take it to your local coffee shops and see if they’d be willing to hang your pieces. If you have a Facebook list commissions in the marketplace. Basically get into your local community that’s always how I’ve made money.
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>>128444
Searching #フィニアスとファーブ on sites like Twitter and Pixiv will give you lots of good, decent PnF fanart by JP artists.
No. 1285164
>>1285116You’re welcome anon. Another is local fairs and competitions. It gets you out in front of people who like traditional art and lets you network and talk to people. It’s a place you can give people a link to a portfolio and you’re contact info.
I’d say anything that lets you submit go for it. There’s also a lot of online ezines. Some pay. Some for free but you can submit personal pieces that fit the themes and see what comes out. Being published looks good when negotiating for more corporate stuff later. The more you do for people the more stuff spreads word of mouth too.
No. 1285172
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>>1285169The artist. They turned off the number of likes but you can see by the comments how it was received
No. 1285262
>>1285088>are any other nonnies in the thread traditional artists?Yep, and I want to make money from my stuff too if not make a career out of it, though I'm not sure how realistic the second one is with traditional art unless you have good contacts.
Like the other nona said getting involved in local things is a good start, I'm currently making an updated portfolio to show local galleries, and just random pieces to sell at fairs. With galleries keep in mind costs like commission fees, it varies by gallery and some can get pretty high, though there is one near me that charges 0 commission and charges wall space rent instead.
No. 1285337
>>1284952Oh but you can't regulate it. It's still a very limited program, honestly I can understand people wanting to mention it if they manage to do a complex painting with it. If it's shit like
>>1285169 though, it's just them wanting attention.
No. 1285411
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>>1284735i don't think they're the same, but now i'm really curious anon, can you share?
i'm talking about picrel
>>1284615honestly wish we had a FF14 thread for gossip cuz there's so many cows in this game
No. 1285466
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>>1285411Okay but the chara is extremely cute ijs
No. 1285490
>>1285262>>1285264>>1285164There's a pretty large fair coming up, I'll see if it's not too late to submit some pieces. It'll probably take a few years to build a network but hopefully I can solidify myself and have a steady supplemental income.
I'll be sure to check out some ezines as well!
Do you guys market yourself on social media at all? I don't have any dedicated pages but share on my personal accounts to friends/family.
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I hate when her stuff comes on my feed. Her color choices are bad and she’s not even talented all she does is put clay in mold and she has such a huge fan base over being a talentless hack.
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Can anyone recommend me some artists with a cute and simple artstyle? I want to simplyfy my art and therefore would like to study artstyles. But finding tasteful artstyles is hard, most simple artstyles look like they where drawn by tumblr fakebois.
idk why, but I have a hard time drawing more simplistic, I also appreciate any tips and advice!
No. 1285771
>>1285415You think so? I don't really know tbh.
>>1285466It's a generic as fuck catgirl and I utterly fail to see how this thing is "male" in any way at all.
No. 1285963
>>1285539Your examples made me think of “ocean in space” and there are a lot of artists like that. I want to say it’s just chibi anime but you’re probably wanting something not anime so I’d look to European artists too. Illustrators in general tend to have some cute styles if you don’t like anime style.
>>1285415>>1285411Yes I want to talk about xiv cows. Maybe a general mmo thread or just use the old one here.
>>1285889Kek I can see it. Zeno’s art makes him prettier than the game. I don’t care for his character or Emet Selch but some people fangirl and ship their character with them. I don’t get it lol.
No. 1286069
>>1285411Yes please link if anyone makes one. There’s so much milk going on there lately.
>>1285963I mean I can get Zenos (even though he’s weird-looking) since he’s an archetypal evil prince character with a near-psychosexual obsession with the player. I don’t understand Emet yumejos -
I thought he was gay with Hythlodaeus. No. 1286079
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Did Happy D Artist leave for a while? I thought she was digital only.
No. 1286099
>>1285411i could name just with both my hands the names of all the strange people ive met on my man years playing ffxiv.
ngl i bought some good prints of graha and venat, and her work is actually fantastic. but the amount of people who draw specifically lewd art of baddies, designed to have no redemption is baffling to me, and i know far too many people who do it too
No. 1286114
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Huh, is this true?
No. 1286132
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>>1286114>let's create 'legal' childporn in response to women liking grown male x grown male comicsMen are literally subhuman.
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>>1286114Yes. This is a magazine article from 1985 that has a comment about it
No. 1286153
>>1286149it must’ve been some disgusting spiteful moid frame of thought like “oh you want to subject MY MALE EYES to
gay sex? fine, but i’ll subject
you to these little kids i wanna fuck!”
pedos seriously think their fucked up freak of nature deviance is just like any other sexuality
No. 1286165
>>1286148The goth ones were fun as the lolita fashion too. They crossed streams a lot with Japanese fashion. Today’s list would be
problematic but also worse - boring. What does the current gen have that really sets itself apart? All I’ve seen is mimicry. For example gothic fashion today is not even about the culture or music but vaguely all black and “spooky” aesthetic. It’s bland.
No. 1286215
>>1286201Nasty paraphilias are rampant in every art community. At least with yaoi shota has never actually reached the mainstream.
>>1286208>>1286209Disgusting. I love Berserk but Miura was no better than the rest of creepy moids in the manga industry.
No. 1286240
>>1286239It's like they're addicted to starting petty online fights.
They should get an actual hobby, like drawing kek
No. 1286294
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Genshin fans are a different breed
No. 1286308
>>1286294This is what happens when you give a chronically online, mentally stunted porn addict fujo money and a platform.
I miss the days where we can point and tell someone how disgusting their fetishes are and stop normalising it
No. 1286318
>>1286298This tracks. It's all she ever talks about. She literally could be just making her art and minding her business but decides to make entire threads justifying the shit she indulges in.
Her art must not pull as much as she wishes it could, because no artist who actually runs a healthy business has time to spend on this bullshit. I think this is just her marketing strategy at this point.
Bitch and whine about haters, then when things are too quiet, stir up more shit with more asinine tweets she has nothing to do with just to stay relevant.
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>>1286294Kek acting all high and mighty when her art looks like this
No. 1286324
>>1286319Almost none of the proportions in her figures are good. He looks mutated.
There's no way she would've gotten the attention she did if she didn't draw genshit or interact with its screaming teen fandom. She'd have otherwise been overlooked.
Teens need to be monitored online but the way she's so reactionary to their heckling leads me to believe she fully expects it so she gets more eyes on her work because it makes her look like an 'underdog'.. not because her art is actually any good, because let's be real; nobody follows her for that.
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>>1285539i like ibu chuan
No. 1286342
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>>1286215> At least with yaoi shota has never actually reached the mainstream.the very first yaoi was shota that was inspired by a 14 years old boy actor and it was extremely popular during the 80's/90's, if you search hentai sites you can check most of the yaoi magazines used to be shota too. The very first yaoi VN to be translated to english was also shota. Stop pretending like Japanese fujos give a crap about loli, most of them are equally if not more degenerate than the moids. Unlike us, they don't have an ''us vs them'' mentality and just mind their own business.
No. 1286344
>>1286114Yes. It's been discussed in multiple threads on Lolcow and anon
>>1286208 linked the two best English language resources about it. Basically women were dominating Comiket with their bishounen and BL works and men felt threatened, so they created loli porn to drive women out but so many men were attracted to it the meme turned into an actual widespread genre. It's why Comiket now has separate days for female and male works.
>>1286190The "shota" in fujoshit is some "vaguely teenaged twink" nowhere near comparable to moid lolicon with toddlers and elementary school kids, it's not even teenage girls they're attempting to portray but actual prepubescent children under 12. The actual shota is 90% of the time created by men who are so deep into their hate of women they don't even consider them worthy of their greasy dicks and instead replace them with little boys to abuse. And you can tell they're only attracted to lolicon for the misogyny since the entire genre started from such a spiteful way of trying to assert dominance over women who were doing nothing more than minding their own business.
No. 1286353
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>>1286215not defending it, just saying that nonnies are retarded for pretending Japanese fujos are in any way better than lolicons when the genre became huge for having constant rape scenes and underage boys. Fujos are fucking degenerate too, there is a HUGE south park community there and it's purely because of the shota characters, a better comparison is yaoi versus yuri, where yuri is mostly just girls giggling and being ''cute uwu tehehe'' while yaoi is filled with rape and angsty scenarios, comiket was never ''invaded'' by moids, it just grew as anime and manga became bigger and more popular. Stop pretending Japanese artists abide by dumb western moral rules when they don't care and ALL are degenerates.
No. 1286368
>>1286344Just a correction: lolicon was already an underground phenomenon but it was when the Comiket scrotes started to promote it so aggressively out of spite that it truly became popular (the "lolicon boom"), later resulting in it becoming mainstream. Before that, pedo otaku moids were already sexualizing the little girls in anime such as Ghibli films.
>The "shota" in fujoshit is some "vaguely teenaged twink" nowhere near comparable to moid lolicon with toddlers and elementary school kidsTrue. More explicitly pedophilic shotacon, with pre-adolescent boys, is very rare in fujo spaces. Although it used to be way less frowned upon, at least in the west, to ship/draw underage teen boys with adults.
>>1286342lol the left eye looks kinda wonky.
No. 1286371
>>1286354I remember this shitty anime being shilled everywhere, hell, they would even sell its merch when i was a kid.
>>1286354Couldn't find it, but apparently one of the characters was gang-raped later in manga and author somehow forgot about that and people were complaining.
No. 1286376
>>1286353>comiket was never ''invaded'' by moids, it just grew as anime and manga became bigger and more popular. Stop pretending Japanese artists abide by dumb western moral rules when they don't care and ALL are degenerates.The women at Comiket
did care about scrotes invading their convention with comics about little girls being raped by animals, and the moids
did care enough about there only being content for women to start a whole movement to make pedophilia comics popular.
No. 1286377
>>1286353Okay
nonny, but I really don't think the old-school mid-2000's fujo boogeymen you love to sperg about are as prominent nowadays as the disgusting coomer lolibros you see in the middle of the day in every art circle that get to draw all their shit without issues because no one attacks male coomers.
No. 1286378
>>1286370Nta but that
is literally paki-chan. She's always sperging the fuck out about Bjorn Andresen and how fujos are "literally worse than lolicon moids" like it was a prayer she has to repeat.
No. 1286379
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>>1286371the gravitation manga is fun trash, it basically makes no sense but it has that fun late 90's vibes I really enjoy. It's at least less forgettable than junjou and its clones.
>>1286376do you have proof? so far I haven't seen proof of it
No. 1286382
>>1286377we are talking about japanese fujos, not western ones. I am mostly complaining about how nonnies try to bend an issue from a niche subculture in the 90's to their modern American moral standards.
>>1286378lol, soy de latino america pero si quieren seguir preteniendo que soy su boogeyman, prosigan pues.
No. 1286387
>>1286377NTA but tbh you're right. At least here in the west, you'll see women censoring each other if they dare draw a 17 year old anime guy fucking an 18 year old, while references to lolishit (or straight shota) has become disturbingly common among even the normiest of anime watchers on shitty Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of members.
>>1286379>do you have proof? so far I haven't seen proof of itPicrel taken straight from the second link here
>>1286208 is proof (testimony from the scrote who started it) that the moids deliberately promoted lolicon at Comiket out of spite.
From the same article:
>in the 1995 Comiket and one other dōjinshi market in 1993, female and male participants tend to socialize separately. As minority participants, males that enjoy erotic dōjinshi depicting cute girl characters were viewed with suspicion by female participants that enjoy yaoi.That was in 1995, as noted in the article, three years later there was a bit more friendly interaction between the two groups, but at least up until 1995, about a decade after the lolicon boom, women at Comiket still "viewed [the pedo scrotes] with suspicion".
No. 1286388
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>>1286387sorry dropped my pic
No. 1286396
>>1286392Nice gaslighting girlboss but Paki-chan here literally said:
>nonnies are retarded for pretending Japanese fujos are in any way better than lolicons when the genre became huge for having constant rape scenes and underage boys. Sounds a whole lot like the retarded bad faith act generalizing being described. You can pretend like there's some grand goal of extubating pedos but in the end it's just being mad over women liking something that has nothing any average piece of media doesn't by attempting to draw reaching parallels with drawn child porn created by degenerate, misogynist males seething over women succeeding them in popularity. And in the case of someone like paki-chan, it's just late stage NLOGism and an inexplicable neurotic obsession.
No. 1286398
>>1286388seems to me like you are making it a bigger problem than it is. You are treating it as if fujos were completely squeaky clean before the lolifags ''invaded'' their space when in reality fujoshis are equally perverted and were already making shotacon content. Unless you have double standards and think shota drawn by women is fine but loli drawn by men isn't.
>>1286390>>1286392my point is not hard to understand, it seems like you just want to feel like the
victims. To reiterate, fujos were perverts and they don't care about loli/shota or
problematic content like westerners do. It's just Americans trying to bend things they don't like to fit their standards. If you are going to call lolifags pedos(which they are) but want to defend fujos that have been making rape/shota/incest, etc then you have a serious case of double standards.
No. 1286406
>>1286395>y basura como gravitation o loveless ya no se ve tanto actualmente.Sí, eso es lo que yo venía diciendo (NTA). Parece ser que la mayoría de ejemplos populares de shota en el yaoi japonés son de hace unas dos décadas. Al fin y al cabo, el problema no es solo de las fujos, es un problema que puede afectar a cualquier mujer a la que le gusta el anime, y como la nona de arriba dijo, también hay yumes a las que les gusta el shota x mujer adulta.
>>1286396It's not Paki-chan.
>>1286397>Shoujo had plenty of itThat's true, but yaoi comes from shoujo/josei (I forgot). They're not completely separate, stop acting like they are. Compared to straight manga porn for women, yaoi is much more popular. A lot of fujos (not all) like yaoi because they can see explicit, violent, dark or taboo content without having to see women suffer.
And shoujo is rarely, if ever, explicit. Besides, no one is denying that shoujo also is plagued with rapey or pedophilic themes that basically teach girls that they should let older men abuse them. But just because shoujo is shitty too doesn't mean that yaoi can't be criticized for its own issues.
No. 1286410
>>1286404you are a brain rotten fujotard, go schlick to rape while you lie to yourself thinking it's somehow feminist when a woman is a degenerate.
>>1286405I already explained that shota is pretty common in fujo circles and that no one but western fujos cares about its morality. I just find it funny how they put fujos in a pedestal just for being women while lolifags get shit on, when they are both porn sick coomers.
>>1286406>Sí, eso es lo que yo venía diciendo (NTA). Parece ser que la mayoría de ejemplos populares de shota en el yaoi japonés son de hace unas dos décadas. Al fin y al cabo, el problema no es solo de las fujos, es un problema que puede afectar a cualquier mujer a la que le gusta el anime, y como la nona de arriba dijo, también hay yumes a las que les gusta el shota x mujer adults.el loli tambien anda muerto, en general el anime ha cambiado para ser mas atractivo al publico chino y americano. Pero eso no cambia que mucho del contenido primerizo de yaoi era ''controversial'' que es lo que le quiero hacer entender a la nonnas. Solamente me parece idiota que defienda a capa y espada a las fujos japos cuando son igual de degeneradas que los hombres, hasta diria que la mierda shojo es incluso peor que algunos anime harem/ecchi, ya que al menos en esos anime la mona china lo agarra a putazos al protagonista generico cuando hace algo ''pervertido'' mientras que en el shojo pareciera que el fetiche de las autoras es hacer a la protagonista sufrir(te estoy mirando a ti Kaichou wa maid-same).
(infighting) No. 1286412
>>1286406>Compared to straight manga porn for women, yaoi is much more popular.This sentence alone shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Embarrassing.
>just because shoujo is shitty too doesn't mean that yaoi can't be criticized for its own issues.No, but it's curious how the very popular rapey themes in shoujo or the popularity of oneeshota, or hell, even
the actual lolicon porn never get such a retarded rise out of the same people who have meltdowns over fujos and claim to be warriors of light fighting for good morals. I'm sure the pedophile scrotes appreciate your effort though!
No. 1286417
>>1286398>You are treating it as if fujos were completely squeaky clean before the lolifags ''invaded'' their space when in reality fujoshis are equally pervertedAYRT, the men at that time were drawing little girls being fucked by dogs. I'd say that's worse than whatever fujos were drawing at the time.
>>1286412>This sentence alone shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking aboutMost porn drawn by and for women who are into anime/manga fandom is gay.
>it's curious how the very popular rapey themes in shoujo, even the actual lolicon porn never get such a retarded rise out of the same people who have meltdowns over fujosAbusive relationships in shoujo are discussed from time to time (see: manga thread) and barely no one tries to defend it, and everybody here agrees that scrotes are pedophiles and lolicon men are despised by all of us and we all talk about it all the fucking time in case you're blind. There's no need for spergouts in either case because no one is defending that shit, unlike fujo shit.
No. 1286418
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yaoi sperg trying to ruin another thread kek
Back on topic, this "my favorite ship dynamic" shit is going around Twitter again and some of these are cute but others are fucking cringe.
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>>1286419I honestly don't even know what that word means. Also here's my favorite one so far
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>>1286417>I'd say that's worse than whatever fujos were drawing at the time.literally the same thing but with boys?
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>>1286426what makes you believe they weren't drawing the same thing in the 90's/80's if they are doing it now and super violent yaoi content was always popular?
No. 1286434
>>1286410>Solamente me parece idiota que defienda a capa y espada a las fujos japos cuando son igual de degeneradas que los hombres,>"fujos japos"No te voy a debatir más porque no me interesa corregirte, sólo me da risa que sigas con eso de las "fujos japos". estrictamente japos, haha.
>Pero eso no cambia que mucho del contenido primerizo de yaoi era ''controversial'' que es lo que le quiero hacer entender a las nonnasY? muchas cosas comenzaron siendo problemáticas noni.
(ingles por favor!) No. 1286439
>>1286390>>1286392you have your own thread and site to fuck off to, stop pretending like your persecuted cause you have an addiction to eroticized eastern drawings of boys fucking each other
>>1286427>and go over the same old "they're worse than male pedos" can you please give me one example of anyone in this thread or site saying fujos are worse then actual male pedophiles, cause the only comparisons made in this thread were with lolicons, also could you stop accusing every sensible person of being paki-chan, its a headcanon you've created to justify your fetish, If I created a poll you'd find most users here think fujos are just coomers not worse then moids but still degen asf
No. 1286440
>>1286427>It's the certain reoccurring spergs who start infights every time they see the word "fujo" and go over the same old "they're worse than male pedos"I definitely agree that saying that fujos are as bad or worse than lolicon males is just plain wrong. I just hate how every time one of the anti-fujos spergs out, fujos will also sperg out, denying that there's anything wrong with yaoi or that shotafag fujos exist and insulting non-fujos for liking het content for some fucking reason, just deflecting any sort of criticism and trying to change the subject to het content, instead of addressing the actual points or just NOT replying to the anti-fujo.
Also I do think that Paki-chan is a hypocrite and a retard for simping for Varg. But she's not the only one who criticizes yaoi. And how do you know the other anti-fujos don't discuss how young actresses are exploited and abused in other threads? This whataboutism whenever someone says something critical of yaoi or fujos is really annoying.
No. 1286443
>>1286433NTA but what's the point in posting these cherrypicked visual novels from well over a decade ago, DMMD even having all characters be clearly very adult when you're trying to make a stand about fujos being pedos? You want me to start spamming all the
mainstream anime series with moid-targeted loli porn in them? If so, we're going to be here all night. I legitimately do not understand why people here have such a boner for whiteknighting for literal pedophile men who created a genre for raping little girls out of spite just because a fujo aiden made them cringe and arguing for multiple posts that actually, it's the fujos that are no better than those men because [that one pwobwematic thing from 2005].
>>1286439The venn diagram of IRL pedos and lolicon males is a circle, anon.
No. 1286444
>>1286433I'm not aware of any such yaoi manga being published back then in the 70s or 80s; on the other hand, the lolifags were proud of having published a whole magazine full of "taboo themes" and that loli was "a forbidden genre at the time". I doubt BL authors from that era have talked about doing something similar. And despite the more degenerate fujo content in later years (a lot of which borrows from scrote porn, by the way, so it's not like these women became that degenerate without male influence), I don't think fujos are "as bad as" male coomers.
Still, please understand that I'm not saying that fujos aren't degenerates and coomers. They absolutely are, at least the ones who consume the explicit stuff. But saying that they're as bad as degenerate men is just wrong (some especially degenerate fujos might be, but most of them are definitely not).
No. 1286446
>>1286390>>1286392you have your own thread and site to fuck off to, stop pretending like your persecuted cause you have an addiction to eroticized eastern drawings of boys fucking each other
>>1286427>and go over the same old "they're worse than male pedos" can you please give me one example of anyone in this thread or site saying fujos are worse then actual male pedophiles, cause the only comparisons made in this thread were with lolicons, also could you stop accusing every sensible person of being paki-chan, its a headcanon you've created to justify your fetish, If I created a poll you'd find most users here think fujos are just coomers not worse then moids but still degen asf
No. 1286450
>>1286446Stop replying to me with this post, I'm not even a fujo and you tell me to go back to FC kek
>can you please give me one example of anyone in this thread or site saying fujos are worse then actual male pedophiles, cause the only comparisons made in this thread were with loliconsLike the other
nonny said, lolicons
are actual male pedophiles. They lust after girls who are not even teenagers. Meanwhile, not even half of all fujos are shotafags. It's not a fair comparison to make.
No. 1286451
>>1286440I'll personally start addressing the points when you start making them. Saying "there are
problematic elements to BL" is like saying "there are
problematic elements to high fantasy" because Game of Thrones overuses rape as a plot device despite many other books focusing on anything but. From posting outdated early 00's series to not even knowing what the story content in them actually is it's pretty clear that you have no personal experience with the genre and instead rely your entire outlook on second hand information. What can be said about that? I'm sorry that Gravitation's mangaka drew a smutty doujin when the actual series is a story about adult pop bands and the lead singer falling in love with no graphic sex scenes at all? That there's one visual novel with graphic rape scenes? What's the purpose in that?
To recap, the entire infight spawned from one sperg basically claiming that "fujos have no business talking shit about the lolicons who drew child porn to spite them because they're just as bad" with nothing to really back it up besides "there are some fujos that like shota" while it's a well known fact that shota as a genre is almost entirely created and dominated by the same pedophilic men who love loli or limped their dicks masturbating to it to the point they had to break the next taboo. But because Paki-chan in particular is so hung up on Kaze to ki no uta's mangaka taking inspiration from Björn Andrésen's looks for one of her characters she's set on this tard crusade about how the basis of BL is pedophilic rape indistinguishable from a bunch of misogynistic moids who drew animals raping prepubescent girls to scare off women. And of course people similar to her grab any opportunity to join her in this retardation with arguments that boil down to "fujos annoy me so they must be morally bankrupt".
(derailing) No. 1286458
>>1286447who cares oh my god
>>1286418this made me cringe reeeeal hard, I hate when people treat polyamory like it's some ultra uwu woke shit and now this?
No. 1286516
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>>1286483and is paki-chan in the room with us? is every single "anti-fujo" i.e normal non degenerate person actually paki-chan as well, how deep does this grand conspiracy go
No. 1286519
>>1286483>>1286485The /ic/ scrotes in this thread are absolutely insufferable, they spend hours defending male artists drawing pedoshit and bitch about muh SJWs ruining western civilization all the time yet suddenly concern troll about fujos or pretty much anything else women like and enjoy that they can't sexualize and coom over while never even touching art besides drawing chicken scratch anime tits.
>>1286516My god, who gives a fuck. Your autism gives me so much second hand embarrassment it's incomprehensible. I actually feel like I should just drop all weebshit and imageboards and become a full on normie to avoid fate like yours, it's that cringe.
No. 1286529
>>1286526Post here
>>>/ot/1068958 instead for help finding things.
No. 1286530
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>>1286526This one? It's by SparrowLucero
No. 1286553
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Yesterday: Thread pretty quiet. Cool might be good
Today: Wtf
No. 1286783
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Anyway… here's some art to whine about.
Tiri's stubborn refusal to use refs or study anatomy is really stagnating her art. Rather than improving, the awkward parts of her style have just gotten more pronounced and every post is uglier than the last. They've all got tiny heads on thick necks with vacant fish-eyed stares and beach balls stapled to their chests.
No. 1286816
>>1286298God yeah. I know someone like this who is obsessed with pro vs anti drama and never shuts up about how she’s being attacked all the time and making herself into a
victim. It’s not that hard to just consume and make things for fandom and you don’t need to pick a fight or try and escalate things with every person who doesn’t agree with you on something. It’s all so self-inflicted and annoying. It’s not healthy to be that way and some of these people really need to go outside for five seconds.
No. 1286827
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>>1286802Lol, vendetta? She has 140k followers, anon.
No. 1286832
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>>1286816They're literally sperging out on twitter right now, they've been having a very public meltdown for the last 72 hours over lolisho lol
https://twitter.com/iamlunasol/status/1553807711082618880all this just to come out liking shota because their dad threatened to rape them and they were groomed as a 15 yr old
No. 1286836
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>>1286830Maybe you should take a look at some of her art if you think it's not broken.
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>>1286847Looked through her art and tbh given the basic subject matter she still manages to squeeze some interesting works out of it unlike plenty other "generic girl" artists
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>>1286832I know theres more important things to discuss, but god, this fucking male bee OC with giant tits
No. 1286876
>>1286854Do you have no reading comprehension, or does your personally appointed tard rangler read your posts out loud to you?
the only pedo apologism I see is from the pro-fujo side anyway? Regardless, lc may not be for someone of your stunted temperment.
>>1286190>>1286344>>1286368 No. 1286904
31 years old and posting this cringe ass shit. I'm not on the side of the hate campaign but I can see why they hate her.
>>1286881they got upset because people were saying it was creepy "Feral" furry art. I don't know what they were expecting
(Rule 1) No. 1286924
>>1286904For someone who is "so unbothered by the haters", she spends an awful lot of energy catering to and feeding their egos and justifying every little thing she does.
Like I said before, this is just her marketing campaign at this point because on its own her art is lackluster. Nobody really follows her for her art. And she'll keep doing it because that's her strategy to stay relevant. She claims on her twitter that she has no fear and is so happy and has everything, but in reality if she didn't garner this much attention she'd be in the ditch living off her husband.
No. 1286938
>>1286933If I was her, and I knew I wanted to make NSFW art I would simply not make art pieces I knew were going to be '
problematic' and '
trigger' a fandom I knew had a bunch of 'anti' teens in it.
But what do I know, it got her the attention she wanted, and endless content to bitch about. And yet she ends up in a marathon meltdown, lmao.
No. 1287077
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Nonnas, I thought you said hype trains are a free 1000 likes and a free 100 followers. Explain.
No. 1287131
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Ignoring the sperging upstream, I'm surprised this artist even posted a side by side because the self portrait looks insanely darker for some reason
No. 1287139
>>1286904I can't imagine an existence where a person is so obsessed with sex that they have "fav shota doujin" that they leave up on their computer for "inspiration."
Coomers really are the most pathetic people. I can't imagine being so simple minded that looking at porn everyday is enough to keep me content.
No. 1287168
>>1286294The one major red flag I get from this is that there was somebody on snow(stwawbewwymilk or whatever the fuck) who used similar arguments as Luna like "If you call my art gross, you're transphobic!!" "If you say lolisho is weird, you're actually anti-queer and anti-sex!!11!!!". Though Luna's seems more like she's being inflammatory on purpose because she realized bad attention is still attention because her art's not getting any.
They both need lobotomies to be honest. And I fucking hate when they try to bring other queer people into their arguments to justify the weird shit they're into
No. 1287178
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Writers and webcomic artists seem to love this, but I absolutely hate stories where the obviously rapey villain goes all "haha I wasn't gonna rape you why would you even think that, silly girl" as a way for the creator to somehow point and be all "see? he's not a rapist! He's just quirky and sexy, haha".
No. 1287243
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>>1287167I don't think so, but I'm waiting for the day she does just to document the social cringe
No. 1287252
>>1287243You know there was an artist called Lirthel on twitter who actually got in trouble for being into the same shit(though she's tame compared to this) but the difference was that her reply to people was "well I like what I like" and ignored them and moved on and that why I respect her more.
also
>deep breathSurely she's joking, right?
No. 1287271
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Twitter coomers are grasping at straws
No. 1287315
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She’s a pretty popular (and admittedly talented) artist now but does anyone remember when she drew fucked-up fetish shit on her tumblr sideblog (barabait) or am I confusing her with someone else. Apologies in advance for digging up old milk.
No. 1287349
>>1287334I really thought it was just the weird
vomit stuff but yeah. Was a rough reminder to see that.
No. 1287561
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Does Tomoki Misato have any milk on him? He's not known for being a weirdo or anything, right?
No. 1287584
>>1287523Unironically, go outside and touch grass. Get off the internet and try drawing outside, in a cafe, etc. You don't even need to draw the things around you (though that also helps), but being in a different environment can help you get naturally inspired. Nothing is truly original, but if you actively practice trying to find inspiration outside of other artists your brain will find it a lot easier to do in the future.
Also be careful with how inspired you get by other artists, because before you know it you'll just end up cloning them.
No. 1287606
>>1287582Give the link,
nonnie.
Also I tend to find these artists around DC fandom.
No. 1288123
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random image because diarrhoea asshole photo on main homepage
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No. 1288256
>>1287561if you have to ask there probably isnt any
>>1288120nta but they're not entirely wrong. any artist who gets posted will have the most minor flaw or detail about their art blown out of proportion or anons will outright make tinfoils about the artist's motives, whether or not they're trans, and anything else to justify hating the artist.
No. 1289003
>>1288814>junior idol shit is legal and basically real cp and child abusenot to defend japan, or any country for that matter, wherever men live there's a high risk of rape/sexual assault of girls
but child beauty pageants are glorified in the usa, it's the same shit, arguably worst because girls as young as 3 are caked on with heavy makeup. anyone with a hate boner for japan but doesn't get equally as angry at the sexualization of girls by westerners come across as lowkey racist.
No. 1289033
>>1287178What’s this webcomic called?
It reminds me of Holly Brown so much that I wonder if it’s her’s under a pseudonym
No. 1289093
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>>1286904A part of me used to feel bad for her because she was getting harassed irl at conventions but I lost all my sympathy when she kept feeding into the negative attention. Now she's suddenly identifying as a 'transmasc enby' to deflect criticism. Her excuse for drawing femboy shota porn now is that it gives her 'gender euphoria'. It's pathetic.
>>1289033It's called Mias and Elle. IIRC, it took the author, Jenny Clements, almost ten years to write, develop, and publish the story. The characters used to be VERY popular on DeviantArt and it was impossible not to see them on the front page. I never understood their appeal. The moid is supposed to be a pervert so he's always creeping on the girl.
I can see Holly being inspired by Mias and Elle though. It's been around forever and Holly probably would've enjoyed the story's rapey undertone.
>>1288547Ignore them anon. Kaneoya is based.
No. 1289095
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>>1289093Same anon, Here's Luna claiming she's transmasc and throwing a fit when people call her bluff kek. She's such a creep.
No. 1289155
>>1289003>it's the same shitit's not the same shit, don't pull the race card. beauty pageants are bad and creepy but the audience for bp's aren't mostly middle aged pedo men, unlike japan. junior idol shit is bought by actual pedos. quoting
>>1286249 >"Chaku Ero", which means "erotically clothed" is a kind of soft porn - it doesn’t involve nudity, but it can get very, very close and is often overtly sexual.>“My youngest was six years old,” he says. “We filmed her in her bathing costume playing with some toys.”>According to Kazuko Ito, a Human Rights Lawyer who is trying to challenge this definition, “Chaku Ero is child pornography. That’s the reality.”A 3 year old in makeup isn't worse than this, wtf.
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>>1289095https://twitter.com/iamlunasol/status/1555254606447493120I supported her up until her whole "if you don't like CP you're brainwashed by the far right" manifesto
"Lolicons + Shotacons = Pedos" Are they not????? I feel like we're a few weeks away from her going full on CP on main, she's literally testing the waters to see if her followers are going to be cool with shota.
No. 1289441
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I don’t care how popular she is. Her art will never be as good like Ikuko Itoh’s or any of the sailor moon artists.
No. 1289522
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why do people make cute anime characters look like freaks?
>hehe look there's a character with a hooked nose, let's make her look like quasimodo so she'll look even more relatable!!1
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>>1289522I know I sound autistic rn but??
No. 1289555
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>>1289538yes I love pieck and she's my self insert because we are both brunette with roman (?) noses, but the fan art they make is so weird
>>1289540some of the fan art is super cute though, despite hidden in garbage
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>every time I have sold art supplies online something goes wrong
>previously sold a lot of markers and I had to list it three times because of buyers ghosting
>hesitated to sell another set but a buyer surprisingly paid immediately after asking if they were still available
>just got an email over a month after the sale saying that it’s being disputed with a claim that the buyer “didn’t recognize the transaction”
No. 1289997
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Why are some artists so edgy?Usually I'll see art that looks nice at first glance then when I realise how edgy it is I instantly wince. The self harm scars and the weird anorexic but still curvy body is just unnecessary, so many people glamorise self harm in art and its so obvious. I don't know if they do it for asspats or they genuinely think it looks good, it's awkward to look at
No. 1290431
>>1289997Same as
>>1290407 I drew a lot of edgy stuff in the past, even do so sometimes now; yeah it's pretentious but it helps. Some people can relate, some dont, but that's how it is with any personal creations.
No. 1290700
>>12899971. underaged artist
2. 20-25 yo adult with ongoing angst
3. that’s just their taste
Stop acting like you never went through that phase anon lmao. Like the other anons said it’s likely to vent their frustrations about their own body image, mental health, at least they aren’t “trauma-dumping” about it to anyone else and using healthy avenues to express their emotions.
No. 1290813
>>1289534>>1289522I know that sometimes woke types will draw characters uglier for woke points but these drawings just look like lack of skill. They probably just appreciated SNK actually drawing noses with structure but just need some more practice to be able to pull it off nicely.
First one is bad stylisation
it would probably look decent if it weren't for the weird glabella, and second one is just failed attempt at realism. I think Occam's razor says not everything is done ugly on purpose.
An aside, and this feels mean to say, but the second one reminds me of one of the girls from the big bang theory kek>>1289542To be fair, the philtrum is pretty hard for unpracticed people because it's extremely easy to make it look weird as shit. Making the shading so harsh was definitely a
bad choice.
No. 1291059
>>1286904>"I'm not on the side of the hate campaign" Well anon you should be. I hope this dumb fucking bitch dies and the dogshit doujin artist she shills in that picture dies even harder. They are both horrendous, disgusting pick me pig artists that draw art to pander to their coomer scrote audience. These women have no self-respect or dignity, all they draw is young boys being raped and defiled to satisfy their scrotes. They claim it's their fetish and while that might be true to some degree (because of how twisted they are), they're also very much doing it for monetary gain and male attention.
I expect this disgusting coomer behavior from men, but not from women. This is completely sick and twisted behavior and it will NEVER, EVER be okay. I don't care if this stupid bitch claims that her therapist thinks drawing young boys being brutally raped is a "healthy coping mechanism" for her CPTSD. They are both completely full of shit and there is no fucking excuse for this abhorrent shit. NO EXCUSES. Drawing youngs boys getting sexually assaulted is not how you resolve trauma and I will fucking die on that hill. Seriously FUCK these people, I hope these artists rot in hell for an eternity.
No. 1291238
>>1287300I can't believe I spent all day reading this trainwreck of a thread only to discover that one of the people in her circle (drdala) was, I'm 99% sure, someone I used to be mutuals with in the Homestuck era of Tumblr (like 2010-2012). She drew a ton of porn of sexy GLaDOS and human Wheatley, Dala from fallout 3, Sucre from Off, and other really obscure characters she treated as self inserts.
It could be someone else, but it's unlikely there's two people out there so obsessed with a minor fallout character that they'd build their entire identity around a human design that was only ever canonically shown in a single grainy photograph. Her art style has changed so much and I don't have any of her old art to compare, but her interests and other handles are similar to names she used when we were friends: She used to go by Milk/Milku and, I think, Pearl for a while.
No. 1291242
>>1291224Wrong again you fucking ape. This is the artist SALT thread where we discuss our issues with art and artists here, particularly things that make us angry. You're so daft you can't even read the thread OP.
You don't even know where you are, so fuck off already. You disgusting lolishota loving moid tourist.
No. 1291366
>>1289268I'd say google one of those keywords with, like,
Pinterest or
Twitter art, then find the source of an artwork you like and from there you can go through the artist's likes/following. That's usually how I discover some.
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>>1291387damn sorry for not liking the one hook nose rep turned into ww2 jewish caricatures
No. 1291395
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>>1291383this is cope
why do they make her look so masculine?
it's because they see a hook nosed character and associate it with being a tranny
No. 1291404
>>1291395I really don't understand this discussion honestly. What's wrong with drawing Pieck with a hook nose when she does have a hook nose? Are they supposed to make her have a button nose? The jaw is too big, but that's probably a problem with the artists art style rather than them seeing her as masculine. Honestly, the only one I didn't like is
>>1289534 and that's because of that horrible philtrum line.
No. 1291409
>>1291395Cope how?
Look again at
>>1289522 and
>>1289534. The noses are almost the least offensive part compared to other factors such as the lips or philtrum in that second especially. They definitely struggle to draw cute girls with big noses but I have no doubt these artists draw cute girls with small noses just as hideous.
No. 1291435
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Rya is not the prettiest npc but jesus christ this artist did her so dirty. This has almost 2k likes right now
No. 1291467
>>1291435On a technical level, I like them. I like the muted, organic colors and linework, it makes me think of old european children's book art.
By the way, Rennala and Rya are both very popular characters from an INSANELY popular game, so a different approach from the usual coomer pornstar garbage fanart is absolutely harmless to me.
No. 1291738
>>1291470I think they're just very pale, I haven't actually taken a closer look. I think shes 'ugly' because of her true nature (which I think is cuter anyway)
>>1291467Those are some fair points, I also do think the palettes and lines are nice. I was just salty about how much uglier they made them both compared to their actual faces
No. 1291822
>>1286783I thought this was Loish at first glance. Styles like this are just boring now. I unfollowed Loish because of her constant same face. Her older work had more fluidity and variety.
>>1289441Her work is like Drachnea, if he’s still around. I think they both trace and photobash but it sells so eh. I don’t like it either because it’s slightly uncanny and I can’t figure out why it looks stiff.
>>1290846Could be a glitch or IG shadow banning the hashtag.
>>1291435What game? I hate it too but some artists are trying to find their style through exaggeration. However not knowing either character they stand out for being really ugly. The bottom one looks particularly slow, like an old design of the bigger stupid brute archetype.
No. 1291875
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>>1291822>what game?Elden ring. rennala (top one) is conventionally attractive (she's a queen and whatnot) while the blonde one's main characteristic is that she's kind of weird looking and also a shapeshifter. Personally I appreciate more when she's given charm without resorting to making her conventionally pretty, although some artists pull it off better than others. Picrel is by komemerda
No. 1292277
>>1291991It's not that bad.
>>1291875Thanks for reccing a new artist to follow, anon. Love this art style.
No. 1292580
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Why can’t Asians draw black people normally, ffs.
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>>1292580what confuses me is why is this racist but other exaggerated interpretations like
>>1280749 and
>>1282004 not? to be clear, i don’t think either are racist because asian and black people have respectively been portraying themselves that way for thousands of years. why is it that still drawing like pic related is acceptable
No. 1292605
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>>1292604but if you draw like this, you’re a racist fascist neo nazi
No. 1292744
>>1292742Blah blah
It looks like a man
No. 1292751
>>1292742>you kinda sound like a coomer scrote That's because they
are scrotes who find drawing unattractive women or in a way they can't masturbate to her is the worst crime there is. It's a reoccurring thing, they start whining about either coomer artists being oppressed for drawing garbage or muh SJWs drawing women ugly and/or masculine all the fucking time.
No. 1293061
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>>1292580>>1292605the difference here is stylization. anime girls/boys don't look like japanese people, so why do the black people in anime get stylized with big noses and lips and weird round eyes??? they should be stylized like an anime character, but they're not. that's why it's racist.
there are black people stylized correctly in anime, it's not hard. won't give excuses for professionals.
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>>1293061I don't think Michiko is black though, isn't she supposed to be hispanic with the "Malandro" surname and everything? Picrel is an actual black person from the same anime.
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>>1293074>>1293185some hispanic and brazilian people are afrodescendant anons
do you guys think there's like no black latinos?
idk if michiko is though, didn't watch the anime or anything
No. 1293212
>>1293202imo theres no need to clutch your pearls nona everyone with a brain knows that black latinos exist. it's just easier to just refer to all of them as just latinos plain and simple because latinos (and especially brazilians) can look like pretty much anything. (source: i'm a latina myself)
michiko seems to be more of a native-black latina mix (a cafuzo) judging by her long straight dark hair and eye shape.
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>>1293212ohyeah i know we don't look like anything specific but the
>don't think she's black, she's supposed to be hispanicjust tickled my brain folds
i probably misinterpreted what they meant or smth
No. 1293347
>>1292068Imagine not only being deeply fixated upon arguing with 13 yo's online, but doing it so much that your brain melts to the point where you start attempting to reclaim lolisho in a wall of Twitter posts over an anime con sign that was
triggering to you.
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>>1293074>>1293061i’m pretty sure all of the characters in the show are mixed to some degree, there’s always been a massive japanese population in brazil due to immigration and the show reflects that (which would also explain why they all have japanese first names and western last names)
also all races are drawn realistically in this show. for example hatchin, her dad, and her adoptive family are white, and most of the characters she and michiko run into are black or hispanic. the difference is some characters are conventionally attractive. having an ugly or normal looking character isn’t racism
No. 1293386
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How accurate do you think this is ?
No. 1293391
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>>1292748What book?
Some anon mentioned drawing shoujos from around the world and it’s cool to see how they tackle racial differences in drawing anime/manga
>>1293386Kek is this the same artist that drew how to make a SJW/Tumblr character?
No. 1293529
>>1293524samefag but also
>mfer saying 3 year olds put in makeup and forced to perform for adults/their parents for monetary gain/value is somehow not the same as junior idols being commodified and sold to adultsall of you please take your meds
No. 1293594
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I like this guy’s art. It’s animu but nostalgic - I don’t know any other artists who replicate the pc-98 pixel style as good as him. Too bad he’s always getting into pointless discourse.
No. 1293671
>>1293658>white person draws ugly asian with exaggerated featuresit's ok, and fuck the asians who think it's racist because that's how they really look. asians have never been discriminated against or had racial caricatures made of them the way other races have.
>white person draws ugly black person with exaggerated featureskill them
No. 1293682
>>1293675There are plenty of Black people with lips in that style. Not everyone has small lips or lip surgery.
Think of it this way, wouldn't giving a Black character thin lips in the same way non Blacks do be considered erasure?
No. 1293690
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>>1293671Ok anons don't call me crazy, but has this anon been racebaiting about black people across threads for the past few days? The twitter thread, stupid questions thread and probably some others too. The typing style is very similar. Don't know why mods won't ban
No. 1293705
>>1293690There's definitely a moid on here right now, I suspected it from other posts but he's on /g/ in the 'black problem' thread telling us to not use the internet because white men invented it lmao
Women gave birth to every man and enable their privileged existence through domestic and emotional labour so we are entitled to all their labour and creations until the end of time amen
No. 1293864
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>>1293533Parts taken out? Like picrel where part of the sphere is missing? Those line control exercises sound awesome, I'm gonna try that next, thank you!
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Can anyone recommend me artists similar to picrel? Artist name is uomic, I really like the anime style and rendering they do
No. 1295196
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>>1295110Adding to what other anon said you can try grid method, in art school I had an teacher that had us make a physical frame out of cardboard and strings, it can help - but only in the beginning, because it can become a crutch otherwise. Good practice would be also to plan out objects you're drawing in simplified forms just focusing on composition, so for example instead drawing a skull, bottle and vase just draw a square and two rectangles, focusing only on their relative sizes and placements, and only then go to planning out details of actual shapes.
No. 1296219
>>1296203This website!
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/libraryJust scroll a bit down to "Making the Switch to Digital Tools" and go through everything that interests you. There is a lot of very good explanations and exercises.
No. 1296433
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nonas this is so fucking embarassing. i was cleaning my room and found a shitload of drawings i made in highschool, and honestly compared to the art that i make now they look so much fucking better. the composition and poses look really fluid and the shit i do now is just really stiff and boring in comparison. how the fuck do i reverse this
No. 1296553
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I Recently read The Rape of the Masters and I was surprised to learn wokeoid shit was happening in art academia even back then(the book was released in 2003) the book details how well established and influential academics, since about 90's have been adding "meaning" to notable works of art, these include professor David Lubin's adding Freudian castration fantasies and latent transgender expression within Sargeant's "The Daughters of Edward Darley Boit", and Svetlana Alpers' trying to imply Marxist commodification rhetoric and implications of gender-confusion in Ruben's "Drunken Silenus."
and I was left wondering, what's the end goal for these people, is this all some elaborate joke or do they really believe the shit they spout
No. 1296836
>>1296759Oh my god,I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt this way about her. The Gary vee of artists is the perfect description for her. I can't stand her humble bragging fast talking style or her dry-ass art. You're right in that it's always the ones with money making consistent YouTube videos with the most generic art.
I feel like There's a lot missing in her videos about how she grew. I'm willing to bet she had plenty of help, which wouldn't be a problem if she weren't so disingenuous about it. But there's always going to be newbies eating this kind of shit content up. It's not her art that's particularly interesting it's these 'advice' videos. Advice I'm also willing to bet she never actually had to take.
I'd love to be wrong, though.
No. 1297009
>>1296784>>1296759I hate videos like this because she's not making 6k off being an artist, she's making her income from giving Art Advice/Marketing tips, which is totally different from living off your art.
Art youtubers like Baylee Jae give a more realistic look at life as an artist, even if you don't particularly like her art.
Youtubers like this sell being an artist as some sort of lifestyle. Any art youtuber thumbnail that's focused on "aesthetics" instead of the actual art or art business itself, is immediately off-putting to me.
No. 1297348
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What is supposed to be a sad panel is redrawn to look like she’s bored.
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>>1297258luoman19921/ArtLuoman, she does mostly F/F and M/M but a decent amount of femdom stuff as well. very femgaze imo
No. 1297383
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>>1297378that's true, maybe this one is more representative of that, idk
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>>1297383>>1297406Pixiv has a lot of gems. It's obviously not free from moid femdom but it being mostly untouched by annoying westerners is a great point in its favor. This one is from users/2784396
No. 1297474
>>1297419I disagree to an extent. I blame the vertical scrolling format. Before webtoon, webcomics usually (but not always) had a standard comic page layout format, and artists would update maybe a couple times a week which, while still difficult, was a lot more manageable. Webtoon-style comics becoming the norm has started forcing artists to churn out 100+ drawings/pages a week to meet their weekly update quota. And producing the required quantity on a short deadline means the overall quality of the art and story suffers for it.
Sure, there's shortcuts in digital art, but a lot of webcomic creators are younger people fresh out of high school or college that don't understand that they need to pace themselves or push back against the sites that are hiring them and advocate for their own wellbeing.
It's concerning how many webtoon artists need to take extended breaks because they're injuring their wrists at 19 years old.
No. 1297582
>>1297474Preach, nona. I think most Webtoons are shitty because of how severely burnt out creators are, as well as how Webtoon editors even actively
encourage worse storytelling. One artist signed to an Originals deal revealed in a Twitter thread (which I can't find for the life of me) that her editors pressure the hell out of her to abandon her original story plans and direction to pursue what has more mass market appeal.
No. 1297590
>>1297582The only webtoon I used to follow was Olympus and I got bored halfway through with the changing storylines and not enough character depth for me to care about the cast. Is it still going?
Speaking of stories check out new adult for a laugh.
No. 1297603
>>1297582It's sad that even fucking online comics suffer from shitty editors ruining potentially good ideas to cater to the lowest common denominator
>>1297590>Is it still going? yes kek
No. 1297961
>>1297612Yes, I’ve seen it happen to a few people and they seem to have done ok. One was a semi-popular artist but was reworking her story at the time. When she gave info about her characters one question was shipping and she shut it down. There didn’t seem to be any backlash. The other said this is her canon but you can imagine whatever you want and that had some drama because people want to spite her. If you ignore it they’ll leave. The others I’ve seen come out the gate with it (everyone is lbgtv++lmao) or have a few ‘unique’ characters so no one can accuse them.
Personally I’d rather just make the characters and ignore people. They’re going to ship what they want but if your story is good they’ll leave you alone eventually. I don’t really think you want fujos and shippers as your audience if that’s not your intent to start so don’t worry about it.
No. 1297986
>>1297612also an indie dev and I feel like that only happens if 1. you get super popular 2. you fostered that sort of audience in the first place.
Underage fans are usually the worst and most likely to turn on you, but it's pretty easy to avoid them if your story is more "mature" and isn't as self-insert-y (kids are really into choosing their pronouns, character creation and having tons of tiny choices that don't matter).
Your style/subject matter might still attract people like this even if you don't encourage it (things like death games WILL attract kids no matter what, any sort of tumblr sexy man or coomer design will too), but I find that how you interact with your players really affects who stays and how they treat you/your game. Don't spend all day answering asks on tumblr (doing it sometimes is good and it's passive marketing, but I've seen devs who answered them constantly get backlash when they contradicted themselves/didn't answer as many as usual because players felt entitled to their time), don't change important things in your game to accommodate people (like people asking for a different gender/pronoun choice for your protag if you have one; I just say "no" when asked and people don't ask again), don't publicly engage with politics/devs who are political. Generally the more public you are and the more of your personal time you give to players/other devs (like by being in dev discords/having a discord for your game, answering asks on tumblr), the more people might get weird because they feel entitled to your time and attention. Replying to players' comments and networking with devs is good, but keep a polite distance and just ignore weird/pushy people.
Good luck
nonnie and don't worry too much!
No. 1298009
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>>1297258JUHi and TheCuriousFool on twitter, they used to post in the /h/ femporn threads, probably still do (JUHi used to post here too from what I've heard).
In general, those threads are/were a great way to discover female artists who draw erotic femgaze art. There used to be regular threads on /aco/ too for western art but now they're only made when they're explicitly requested.
Here's the reclist, it has a few pixiv tags that you can use such artists:
https://controlc.com/412528f0My personal recommendations are
https://twitter.com/irokawa_19 and
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/5759979 (neco3ya_TM on twitter) off the top of my head
No. 1298368
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What material does Clamp uses for their colored illustrations ?
No. 1299283
>>1297279> I just generally like the idea of making art that is only hot to women and that men will find frustrating or confusingmoids hate m/m erotica from a female gaze, if you exclusively drew that you'd repel them. but you'd attract the weeb FTM crowd if that's all you drew so that's an L, honestly.
for straight erotica, I think it's hot when the man is fully/half-naked, in vulnerable positions on the ground, and the woman has her clothes on standing up, or in a higher position in the composition.
If you show arousal on the man, have the woman never interact with his penis, and only show women receiving pleasure in any sexual situation.
Show men crying/blushing/in pain/restricted movement. Realistic female bodies with whatever male body type you find hot.
Moids love shit like women stepping on penises with heels, and sexualized women who dominate men (but still pay attention to his penis) so if you're able to draw women in a position of power without sexualizing her it would turn men off I think.
No. 1299291
>>1299289art is one of the most misogynysic work fields. At art schools in my country, any boy who applies gets in even if their art sucks. They always choose all the boys and if there's place left then they think about what girls to choose. I presume it's the same in studios.
>>1299283nta but i like your inspiring ideas
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>>1299375inaccurate/unrealistic erotica can still look hot. I guess it depends on how far you're willing to suspend your belief
No. 1299680
>>1299375also the "i only want to draw things that is only hot to women and men will hate" comes off as a different type of shizo posting.
the reality is that between men and women, there is no erotic art that is exclusively attracted to one or the other. you're going to just run yourself ragging drawing this "only women attracted" erotica because you'll get men, trans and women in your audience. Same for moid and coomer porn. Men women and trans.
if you want to draw erotica, draw the erotica you actually want to draw in terms of subject matter and composition. You'll get the audience you get. if you really just want to avoid weebs and men just post about hating them since that seems like it comes more naturally to you than figuring out what erotica you want to draw.
No. 1300540
I was best mates with this girl up until year 12, we still keep in touch and I decided to see how she was. She had a mate who was a couple years younger than us, and we would all draw together sometimes. Turns out her mate posted a lot of her stuff online, she has nearly 1 million followers now, I hate it. I should feel happy but I can't, I've been posting and posting for years and had little success, and this girl is making thousands. I knew who she was as an artist before even getting told since a few commentary channels have mentioned her, I knew she was doxxed at some point, so to check I googled the dox info and it's 100% the same person. I shouldn't be h
Jealous of some random girl though, I haven't spoken to her in about 5 years. I wish I could be happy for her but I can only feel shitty about myself.
I can't really give too many details about who I'm talking about, probably isn't right too say who
No. 1300571
>>1300515She sounds like this artist I followed years ago who had some poly drama but she was more of a personal cow and also a furry kek.
>>1300219Same, and this piece
>>1299562 is well done. Is it vintage?
No. 1300594
>>1299680>>1299827NTA but holy fuck, come on. Yes, we all know that scrotes jerk off to anything especially if it involves women but what that anon wants is to draw
straight erotic art for women, not yaoi. And yes, it is possible to draw such a thing while attracting a minimal amount of scrotes (including trannies). For example, drawing female POV, and making the guy fully colored and shaded and painting his face and body beautifully while putting in the least possible amount of effort on the (faceless) woman will frustrate most moids who try to get off to the art (even trannies because they're AGPs and they'd rather self-insert into hentai bishoujo than an average looking faceless woman that's not drawn in a very appealing way and isn't even there as the focus). That may not mean that 0% of males will be able to fap to it but it would make your audience virtually all-female and that's what matters, that's what anon wants. The only moids who will like it will just be there out of spite or coping, just like women who read hentai have to settle for whatever malegaze shit they find with the least ugly/plain male self-insert they're able to find and internalizing what they see, only men have an endless supply of porn that actually caters to them so I doubt they'll be much of a problem (unless they're gay or something).
No. 1300663
>>1300594NTA either, and I know original Nona was specifically wanting to draw femdom, but I think the focus should be less "what will drive men away?" and more "what will attract women?" As weird as this might sound, I think you should take a look at a lot of Yuri art. Since the target audience of most Yuri is actually women, a lot of themes that are prevalent in the genre are designed to appeal to women but not men. Art that's really sweet and wholesome where neither participant is being objectified. Cute kisses, cuddling. Put the focus on their relationship first and foremost, and the raunchy stuff is secondary.
I know I personally like when the male character is depicted as an actual person rather than a faceless self insert. There's surprisingly little art where you can see his entire face. Because men don't like that. Putting a lot of focus on him without being weird/gross/degenerate will appeal to women while being boring for men, and without just being a role-reversed version of art that caters to horny dudes.
With femdom-focused stuff you can still focus on the guy and just leave the woman's face out of the frame, or have her back to the viewer, or only show a portion of her body, etc. But if you build a story around the characters and their relationship with sfw art and sprinkle in the sex, I think you'll get the audience you want.
No. 1300674
I'm having a similar problem to
>>1297258. I had a drawing go viral (for the amount of engagement I get) on Twitter. Without revealing who I am, I posted a drawing of a cute girl wearing trendy clothes. It was SFW and I only draw SFW artwork. I got over 800 new followers but now I have a lot of cumbrained TIMs following me. What's the best way to get rid of the TIMs without cancelling myself? I draw both men and women and my audience before this was mostly animu fangirls and older fujos.
I was considering doing something like this
>>1270046 for a while but I don't want to stop drawing women because the Twitter algo might recommend it to AGPs kek.
No. 1300840
>>1300594>>1300663anon from
>>1299680the focus should really not be on "what will attract women" or "what will drive men away" and more on "what do I want to draw for erotica"
because anon is going to be the one stuck with drawing it. they may as well draw whatever actually makes them horny or happy and then deal with the audience they get from it as opposed to trying to figure out "what will appeal to straight women".
If is a straight women, then she should just draw what appeals to her. If they draw stuff that attracts hypothetically nothing but straight women but they themselves feel miserable or hate doing it, then what's the point other than money? Anon should focus on what they want to actually draw for erotica as opposed to trying to figure out a niche or market. How tf can you draw for a market when you don't even know what the landscape of it is like? Even more so when you- the person drawing it- don't even know what you would want to draw.
it honestly sounds like anon is more in love with the idea of it than the actual subject matter or creating erotica. Anon should draw what appeals to them first and foremost rather than trying to build an audience based on a fleeting idea and imo no real desire behind it other than spite which burns out quickly.
No. 1300922
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bump
No. 1300941
>>1300840Anon, I never posted before in this thread but I understand their desire. I do self-indulgent NSFW art that I no longer post on Twitter, and it's F/F and F/M because I like women so I don't do M/M or male-focus. When I posted, I attracted scrotes in a proportion bigger than 50%. This is because they overpopulate the porn market, I know, but it made depressed and mostly grossed out. I draw heavy emphasis on romance, often clothed or softcore in a way that hides the genitals, cute ornate backgrounds, small but non-flat breasts.All things I like, but I hated to see my art retweeted next to deformed "thicc" women with floating self-insert dicks and misogynistic text, hyperdick stomach bulge bestiality, etc. Males also leave very gross interactions and one even lectured me on how I could ""make my art better"" if I made it more extreme in that sense. It came to terms with the fact there's no solution besides blocking everyone or not posting though, so I'm okay kek I just wanted to share my experience.
No. 1301011
>>1300974Of course it is, if it looks ok why do you think it may be not legit? This is how you draw out objects in perspective correctly.
One issue I have with this video is how he draws over his super short lines, it's good to have more line confidence per what you can learn in drawabox course. Though if your goal is to have an absolutely perfect circle it's probably necessary to be this careful. Just drawing it out for some bigger project though, unnecessary.
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bump 4 scrote
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bump 4 scrote
No. 1301258
>>1300941That's fine and i get it, but dealing with any market of people online you're going to get weird unsolicited criticism, your art is going to get retweeted next to other shit they like, among other things.
i block people who are blatantly weird and/or obnoxious and I don't really care what someone enjoys outside of my art because it's not my business and it's entirely possible for people to enjoy hyper-deformed "thicc" women and floating self insert dicks and enjoy cute softcore porn. Hell, I know my porn account is filled with the gambit of it that someone could be surprised it's all from the same person between werewolves, monster men, and things that are cute, romantic and softcore.
However, nona is clearly leaving in a fantasy or more in love with the idea of having a scrote free market than they are sharing content they actually want to put out into the world. Even straight women aren't immune from extremely parasocial, degrading interactions in both coomer and non coomer fashion.
The alternative is to only have a private account with vetted followers and find some roundabout way of promoting your art. It isn't something I would go through because I don't care enough to follow priv accounts or to go through the process of creating one but there's no market that is "100% scrote free" which is my ultimate point.
so rather than worrying about your audience and caring to that degree (or if you do, just not posting and accepting that) of trying to curate based around an audience you don't have, you should just make what you want because like I mentioned, even if anon gets their magical 100% female only audience… Unless you are exclusively interested in money, What's the point outside of money if they ultimately feel miserable, unenthusiastic and uninspired making it and just churn out piece after piece for some cash?
No. 1301787
>>1300674>What's the best way to get rid of the TIMs without cancelling myself?Go through your followers and softblock all the TIMs. Wait a couple of weeks to do this, people will notice you are an artist who softblocks (which might attract drama) if you do it right after they follow.
Don't softblock all at once, maybe 20 a day. Twitter blocking is one of its best features, it gets rid of 90% of twitter related headaches. It might be time consuming, but worth it.
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>>1302022Cookie run was a mistake.
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>>1302036The more I look because of curiosity the more stupid their replies get…there’s no way they say this, honestly they seem like the type that doesn’t know how to avoid getting in hot water to save their life.
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https://twitter.com/dainsleifly/status/1558534797949018118?s=21&t=bFfMYkUwvdskSdHCHcAb_gsome genshinfag got called out for killing her pets and slicking it to irl zoophile/gore porn amongst other things. no hard photo evidence though so take it with a grain of salt.
No. 1302122
>>1302107These sorts of arguments keep getting brought up. In reality, only those artists that do art for money
could get affected by such softwares.
But there's always going to lack the human factor that makes art what it is, which is something that people like because they can relate to something human rather than by something mass produced.
What could happen is that there's going to be a market for mass produced AI-readymade-art, and a parallel market for art made by humans.
I don't see what's the big deal tbh, if you like doing art, just do it, if you want to publish it, go ahead, if you don't get 10.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 likes under 5 minutes and that upsets you, then it's time to do some self-reflection.
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@minmonsta on ig/@minnniskirt on twitter just posted this, her first post on any platform since 2019. Comments are full of people accusing her of ghosting and scamming commissioners from back then (totaling over $4000). I followed her ages ago when she was active and totally forgot about her existence until now, does anyone know know anymore details about this? Apparently she's only back because people were organizing to contact authorities to get her to deliver but couldn't find anything about that through googling.
No. 1302134
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>>1302128samefag, so she scammed Vietnamese people so the post calling her out is in Vietnamese. Picrel is the mass email she sent out to commissioners.
This is the post:
https://www.facebook.com/100060949660873/posts/pfbid0b3dBgx81GCJEKVSy11rCssWqEsExpjvwU1KfR2SnqQiVQhVXMcuJwC9BhRqL5kr3l/?d=nHere's what Google translate says:
MINMONSTA IS BACK AFTER FIREING WITH COMMS OF OVER 30 COMMISSION CUSTOMERS THREE YEARS. Everyone who has paid her Shikishi commission please check your email.
“It's not very nice office hours, but at least Minmonsta contacted me at 2am on August 13, 2022.
I called and talked directly with Minmonsta. According to this woman, within the past 3 years, due to personal and family psychological reasons, she could not pay commissions. Personally, I still hold the view that there is no reasonable enough reason for Minmonsta to hold the commission of more than 30 people (according to Minmonsta) up to hundreds of millions of dong and disappear like that.
Currently Minmonsta is still completely healthy and practicing tattooing, has NOT had any problems as rumored for a long time.
Last night, someone messaged me the entire address where Minmonsta is working in Hanoi as well as her personal Facebook and Instagram account posting her tattoo photos. Honestly, just one more day late, maybe I would have gone straight to Minmonsta's workplace to solve it. Currently Minmonsta has actively contacted me and hopes that I will not touch this lady's place of work because this is the only place Minmonsta relies on to be able to earn money to return customers who have placed previous comm.
I have agreed to what Minmonsta suggested (I will not publicize any of the above Minmonsta personal information), and in return I also have a few requests for this woman:
1. Have to contact all over 30 customers to place commissions and fully refund them. In addition, they also have to make an appointment for each person to return the money. It doesn't have to be at the same time, but it does have to be an exact appointment so people know there's still a wait.
2. Must have photo cap proof of commission refund. Personal information of
victims will be hidden, but full refunds must still be posted.
3. As soon as possible, write a PUBLISH article to report what happened and apologize properly.
According to Minmonsta, in recent times, many people have sent malicious messages to Minmonsta's cousin. First of all, I would like to thank everyone for their interest and help in finding Minmonsta's whereabouts. However, now that I have found her, I also hope people will turn their attention away from that cousin, because I also don't want to drag people who are not involved in this.
In conclusion, I am still waiting for Minmonsta's post to report the incident and apologize. I will update when I receive her refund.”
this girl is shady as hell, some ig comments are saying she secretly made a 2nd instagram account for her tattoo business she started while ghosting her main anime art accounts.
No. 1302206
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>>1302107I think the most popular one right now is Midjourney as it is free. I personally think it all looks very same-y, and it seems like the exact same style is being used in basically all of the art I've come across, just different words as input. It looks very artificial and anyone with a good eye can probably point it out even if the artist has painted over most of it.
I have Dall-E and I feel like I can personally say that the AI likely isn't going to take over at any moment. BUT some of the results can be really impressive and I certainly think it's a possibility in some fields, which is why some people are feeling threatened. A lot of it seems very hit or miss unless you provide your own input image but it can be pretty good with "realistic" as a keyword and simpler prompts.
That said, I think I can agree with Ergojosh. I often struggle on picking colors and compositions and currently I'm using it to help with that on existing WIPs. I also have tried it with editing an existing background (which is neat as fuck) but that's about it. A lot of the art can be convincing but also lacking the obvious human touch. Even bad art has little quirks from the artist which is what I feel it can't replicate accurately. Haven't tried to copy anyone's style as I'm almost out of credits (got carried away with friends playing with it)
Picrel is Dall-E generated of "a realistic photo of a pink cow using a computer" for fun
No. 1302257
>>1302039What even is the purpose of this callout thread? This person is clearly, and admittedly, mentally ill, but she hasn't actually done anything to anyone. Half these receipts are from private conversations and the rest are based on her recounting things she did when she was a child. Kids are amoral little creatures. While I never killed any of my childhood pets, I can remember a lot of things I did that are horrifying in retrospect.
The person who made the thread knows what they're doing by pointing the Twitter mob at someone whose only crime is dire need of a therapist.
No. 1302267
>>1302257Samefag but wow I just read the thread and it's a child calling out another child and saying she "deserves it". Why are children allowed on the internet when they can literally ruin people's lives with callout posts.
Knowing that the target of the post is only 17, I doubt most, if any, of her claims are real. She's right at the age where teenagers convince themselves they're sociopaths because they think being mentally ill and edgy makes them cool.
No. 1302880
>>1300663The majority of yuri caters to men, especially the ones that are "cute, sweet, etc." doubly so if they fall into schoolgirl themes. Joseimuki with lesbian stories (like Gunjo) or just joseimuki in general are better examples. Sadly, not a lot of Redikomi are translated into English, but might also be worth checking out as those are hentai manga exclusively for women.
>>1300941Blocking is the best thing you can do. Get out of the mindset of trying to please everyone or worrying about who might like your work, and curate the audience you want by liking their responses and posting what you love. Use the tools you have and don't worry about it. I draw F/F and F/M(with femdom overtones of varying degrees), favoring what I'd call 'hot/beautiful couples.' So I do get scrotes, but many of them have reacted in a way they came off as threatened by the guy. I want them to know they'll never have a chance with my women.
Girlboss, gatekeep, gaslight in erotica.
Don't be afraid to make it clear that the scrotes are a periphery lucky to be along for the ride. Do it through your art, though.
That's how I've had most of the worst scrotes stay off my ass. The ones who know they aren't the target are largely polite and appreciate the romance.
I know nearly everyone is addicted to Twitter clout here, but you need to accept that it's coomer central. If you're trying to find a place to post your erotica, escape coomers, and curate a majority female audience, I'd highly recommend dedicated art sites like Pixiv, PaperDemon, or even deviantArt (which has specific groups) where your art is more searchable or classifiable. Hell, you'd be surprised with what you can get away with posting on Tumblr since you're not drawing bloated 50-head characters covered in questionable fluids that would flag the AI.
My takeway is that, to be an erotic artist who caters to women, you have to be selfish. Undo your need to please and make what turns YOU on. There are people who share your tastes.
>>1301787Just hardblock ala
>>1302006 >>1302140 or use the unfollow feature. For people who are chronically online, they follow a LOT of accounts near daily. It will take a while before they realize it and will be either too confused trying to figure out why they were blocked, or will be too distracted in the next hour's zeitgeist to follow you again.
>>1301920AYRT I actually thought similar when I wrote it out
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>>1302880*Joseimuke
thanks for the rec tho looks based af, scrotes hate stories that address women's struggles seriously so they could never create something like this. They're only capable of writing about cute underage schoolgirl fantasies as a fetish kek
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>>1300840>>1300941I am the femdom artist anon. Wish I could reply to everyone but damnn, this specific interaction made me depressed because you're both right, I think. If I draw exactly what I want I will inevitably get gross scrote followers. If I get gross scrote followers, then I will be sad and creeped out. Therefore, if I draw and post what I want, I will have a bad time. I already have a decently sizeable and very disgusting 80%+ male following right now with my sell-out 'lewd pinup' art, but I haven't felt completely horrible about it because the art I make isn't art I even like, so I don't feel attached. What
>>1300941 said about seeing their tasteful art next to deformed thick hyperdick etc is really what makes me scared.
I think at the end of the day, it's a sacrifice I am going to make. Appealing femdom art will attract scrotes, yes, but it will also attract a lot of women who will get something out of it. As long as I focus on that female audience and block and particularly disgusting followers that I happen to notice, I can see this being overall a good thing. Thanks for all the advice from everyone.
No. 1303040
>>1302939Gunjo is so great because it touches on so many complicated angles of female sexuality against society. The societal expectations are never outright addressed in a preachy way. It's told in a way you just know, through body language, their experiences, and whatnot. I felt like I'd met all three of the main women at some point in my life.
OT, but there's a live adaptation, too. I haven't seen it yet. It's apparently good, but not as hard hitting as the manga, and the sex scenes run too long for a lot of people's tastes (scrote director).
https://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/08/09/interview-with-gunjos-nakamura-ching/Nonnas might appreciate the interview with the artist, her thoughts, and her work process w/her assistants.
No. 1303283
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i'm average at drawing normally but whenever i try to draw nsfw stuff it always comes out looking shit-tier. i just want to draw pussy eating art why does it have to be this way anons
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>>1303283I feel you Nonna I’m the complete opposite, drawing NSFW comes out way better than my SFW art and it frustrates me like I don’t wanna draw porn all the time kek
No. 1303379
>>1303283Set up a mirror in front of your bed and draw yourself naked. If you can convince anyone to do it, draw them in bed with you. I haven't actually done the latter
yet, but drawing myself naked helped me a lot with solo female art, so I assume holding a sketchbook while your partner eats you out would help you with drawing that.
No. 1303415
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Am I dumb or did this artist literally just traced frames from female characters in these shows? The amount of likes…
No. 1303464
>>1303415this is why AI art will be used by individuals/companies in the future, normies are stupid about art and artists and do not care where images come from, as long as what they're looking at looks good.
They literally don't see how art exists all around them, in their cereal box designs to the purse they hold in their hands, because they're not taught this in school like they're taught math and literature (this is why normies value authors over artists, they know it takes work to write)
sorry for the sperg, but saw a lot of twitter trends about AI art this weekend and was thinking about it
No. 1303569
>>1303464I can only speak from an American standpoint, but your statement holds up where I'm from. A lot of them treat art like it's still some bored rich person's hobby because it's 'not a real job' while never questioning what kind of mind the silly figurines they want to collect are originating from, or why they comics they binge on are some kind of exception.
I like AI because it acts as a go-between for concepting things like color pallets and the mood for compositions. But even the presenter at the DALL-E briefing said as much that people's ignorance towards art are why they'll be easily fooled, in one extreme or the other, by these generated images.
It's the exact same with tracing. Your lit comparison is apt. If someone took a story and swapped out the characters and nothing else, people would fucking shit themselves. But this?
>>1303415They don't realize that's the exact equivalent.
No. 1303832
>>1303415I think this one specifically might be more of an edit challenge than art challenge. Like those "Neon Genesis character but emo" accounts. Everybody knows it's traced, but some people like seeing the different take on it.
I personally find it lamer when you can tell it's hand drawn but the result is basically still that image, like "disney style" but it's literally just Ariel or Belle with different hair. An edit is an edit, but if you're gonna draw it from scratch and try to flex your art skills you might as well actually put 5 minutes of tought into studiying the style instead of just exactly copiying the main character's face.
No. 1304471
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Twitter art cow who has been getting on my nerves for a while shows her ass by claiming that AI art is now art theft.
For fucks sake. I don’t like AI art either, it feels very NFT-Bro to me but stitching together a bunch of artworks to the point where you would not even be able to point out your work if you were told it was in the image isn’t fucking art theft. At that point it is literally transformative work.
I honestly thought online art communities had moved past the juvenile 2010 era of art fags claiming that anything and everything that personally bothered them was ‘art theft’ once actual, serious theft started to become a problem.
I know it’s companies pushing these AI programs and what they’re doing is shitty but claiming works that are by their nature transformative is a slippery slope . It’ll just lead to grown ass popular artists in their mid 20’s like Walsh sending their followers to bully young teens online for ‘copying’ them. Which then leads to gatekeeping of techniques, tutorials, brushes, softwares, hacks etc.
Just god please I do not want to go back to 2010 era Deviantart, that shit was grim
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I’m a fan of CelestialFang’s art but she’s recently gotten more outspoken about her fakeboi identity and weird fetishes. I took a look through her NSFW out of curiosity and there’s a lot of art of female characters being gored and raped even though she advertises as a fujoshi.
No. 1304522
>>1304471It seems like AI can generate realistic/painterly/abstract images well, but it is unable to reproduce cartoons and illustrations with solid and sound forms. Like a basic anime girl drawing.
I wonder if concept art/realistic renders like what's shown here will become less popular bc of AI, and new styles that AI cannot recreate will start to grow. AI cannot create animations or comics.
The note about art theft, dudebros are already selling AI art as NFTs. They were getting called out for stealing images from artists to sell and this is their workaround.
No. 1304673
>>1304522any ai art that actually looks good has been made by an artist who spent hours learning a specific bot. there is some that looks good made randomly but most of it is barely readable without being fed specific images or descriptors.
i wish everytime a new technology came out people didn't jump onto the board for art theft. Yes, it sucks but people who steal art are going to do it regardless of the existence of nfts, AI, or literally anything else. There's no way to properly prevent it. all AI art is, is mathematical photobashing and artists already use photobashing in their process. with art twitter doom posting about whats the point of learning, being replaced and how its going to kill art is exhausting.
ai isn't going to kill art because all it is, is automated photobashing. people who are cheapasses and don't want to pay artists are going to use it anyways, they're worthless clients and a pain in the ass to deal with. i cannot figure out why art twt if taking people saying "look how good this is and how much money i'll save by doing this instead of hiring an artist" seriously. They're all mostly just clients from hell and are shitty clients to work with, i can't see why people are trying so hard for them.
No. 1304924
>>1304673>i wish everytime a new technology came out people didn't jump onto the board for art theft.If non-artists didn't use the emergence of new tech as an opportunity to speak out their asses about the doomed future of art, artists wouldn't have to become so defensive. I understand the anxiety and sense of defeat, few people respect artists as it is.
I agree that AI won't kill art, but I suspect that popular artists will have to deal with their paintings being used for ugly AI nft, which shouldn't be allowed without an artist's permission imo
No. 1305333
>>1304673To add to this, all the AI art is honestly very samey. It looks pretty, but it's boring or confusing unless you paint over or alter it. People should be looking at the AI as a tool to assist in photobashing or as a way to generate your own references or inspiration The AI is no good without a human who knows what they're doing piloting it.
I highly recommend checking out pisukev on instagram, for anyone who is either apprehensive or intrigued by AI art. He's been generating follower-submitted prompts and sharing a lot of insight into how the AI works and how much effort goes into actually making something interesting with it. He also has an account where he posts some of the results for people to use as assets in their own work.
No. 1305473
>>1305259I can recommend some people I follow, they're from Instagram but I'm sure some have twitter handles:
>Roberto Ferri, paintings inspired by classical art>Ben Ashton, distorted portraiture in paint>Mars Black, surreal paintings that are hit or miss imo but there are some nice ones>Caitlin McCarthy, gothy illustrations in pencil, usually portraits>kaho_honey, also gothy pencil illustrations but different art style>pitchcanker, simple and edgy, in red and black marker (digital looking, though)>vonnart, very detailed fantasy illustrations in pencil, sometimes with gold leaf No. 1305984
>>1305826When you find yourself overcorrecting, stop and take a break. Come back to your drawing with fresh eyes.
I find myself overworking a piece and making stupid decisions when I've been working on a drawing for too long and I'm tired.
No. 1306624
>>1306619nta but considering the website itself uses similar concepts as SecondLife and IMVU where artists can make money selling handmade items, I'd say it's OK here. I'm a pixel artist and working on making dressup games, so the creator-side of it isn't often bought up. I feel like I'd spam the dressup game thread if I did.
To
>>1306604 , this sounds like a site I'd be all over. I hope the admins put their foot down instead of catering to these regressive shits.
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This artist has a good grasp on anatomy and rendering but dear god I wish she would stop drawing troons.
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Ok, so who's going to tell Lotusbubble that "period era" is a nonsense phrase that basically means "time time"? If these screenshots weren't a month apart, or it happened once, or she wasn't a native English speaker, I could excuse it as a typo. But it looks like she legit thinks there's just a time in history called The Period Era where all the Jane Austen stories are set. "Period based era" indeed. That's not why they call them period pieces, honey.
No. 1308057
>>1307027Not a bad idea, try doing a bit of both though. If you're apolitical, try doing like cis straight white (or any race really) people +
POC queer art instead of just spamming
POC.
Is it really that easy to get clout from spamming "
poc queer" art though?
No. 1308067
>>1306619>>1306624Ayrt, yeah I posted it here because of the art side of it, its rich that on a site with many styles of hand drawn clothes (including popovy inspired items kek) they got pissy and dramatic about the popovy art style. Though they get this way for some things on the site too, like claiming only certain races can wear certain sets or you're a bigot. I wanted to start designing on there but I don't want to deal with that shit.
>I hope the admins put their foot down instead of catering to these regressive shitsSome people got banned yes, but usually mods and the site itself take the side of the wokies, and the wokies will mass report you id ypu don't bend to them until the mods mute/ban you. Only certain races should wear certain sets, drama like "all yt are racist" and "cishets dni", identity badges like demigirl pride, space to write neopronouns, calling everyone user instead of people or you're "ableist" to "nonhumans." All on a cute pixel doll game, it's retarded.
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I'm unfortunately seriously considering doing work like soulless portrait drawings and emotes for Twitch streamers and shit on freelance platforms like Fiverr and Upwork because I don't have a social media presence so commissions are basically out of the picture. I honestly can't imagine that it would be that hard to crap out a faux Disney aesthetic weeaboo pop-culture Instagram tier art style to make a couple bucks here and there but I'm worried about doing things like this leading to art becoming a chore instead of a pastime. I'm probably overthinking it.
No. 1308497
>>1308264Create a separate account for work, and one for fun/personal art. You can even have a different persona/name when you do work art. It doesn't have to be either or.
I would hate art if I could only draw what makes me money, which is oftentimes not what I want to draw. Creating separate spaces for work and play, just like you do in real life, actually creates that separation in your mind too.
No. 1308588
>>1307027Nah. People love that. They don't care much who you are. As long as you focus on just posting your art (no selfies), you'll be fine.
Like you can post a selfie every now and then. But don't make yourself the focus of your account. Do what professonals do and focus on posting art.
>>1308497I like this idea, thank you!
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What now? Like what is even happening here?
No. 1308771
>>1308718>they>LatinaAnon make up your mind. Do you know the artist's sex or not. If you do there's no need to call her a they.
I'm just saying because this sort of thing where anons call an artist whose sex is obvious "they" a lot in this thread. Makes me suspect it's full of newfags from Twitter.
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>>1308734Apparently people were spreading claims that she was Hololives Sana, who recently graduated…
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God, how does someone stagnant like this. 9 fucking years. This person is 19 too.
No. 1309172
>>1309113Anon reeks of 12yo "prodigy" artist on social media who will call themselves a burnt-out gifted child with severe depression and trauma the moment they turn 19.
I don't know why zoomers can't comprehend that not everyone can dedicate all their waking hours to the art improvement grind. The idea that some of us have responsibilities in life and draw occasionally as a means of expression or fun is so alien to them.
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>>1309094Start doing anatomy/perspective/whatever studies of photos/drawings you personally like.
No. 1309444
>>1308734There are two things going on, her old fans are low EQ and keep calling her sana - which she can’t address because of NDA, and the characters she designed for arknights looks like her ex coworker’s character.
So she is dealing with
1- angering her Chinese audience by bringing up hololive(re: coco Taiwan fiasco and artia) thus endangering future jobs with Chinese companies
2- accusations of plagiarism. Which is stupid to say about the design. She didn’t copy, but the design is boring.
Namie is being very stupid overall for being
triggered over people calling her design pink dog/korone. The character was in limbo for 2 years without a name, so arknights fans nicknamed the character.
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Did they have a falling out?
As much as I dislike these podcast, I'm glad they got rid of the annoying obese troon and the weird binding fetish kinkster faggot. I won't listen to it anyways but it's interesting they even moved this shit to another channel entirely.
No. 1310223
>>1310210I'm not surprised. A lot of the guests are made fun of for being weird creepy speds and no fan really liked Izzy. I remember reading a comment that said something along the lines of
>it's like tumblr: the podcastAnnnnd that's why it sucks.
No. 1310244
>>1310210>daftpinayou couldn't have found a more boring, uninteresting co-host Pan, he's the personification of wet bread but add that he's also known for being a petty stalker faggot with no artistic redeeming qualities. Pan needs to get new friends that don't have twitter brain rot but honestly, normal people wouldn't want to be Pan's friend, even if he's a nice dude.
>>1310234not Mexican but I am latina and I find pan trying so hard to be
POC funny and kinda cute. Hope his pilot does well he's the only person in the Cartoon community I respect.
No. 1310250
>>1310234He's chicano, mexican, latin american and white. Being white doesn't exclude any of that, when he says "pasty mexican" is like his brain has been rotten by american racial concepts that make no sense in latin american context and it
triggers me. I'd slap him in the face but he's probably into that.
>>1310237Playing devil's advocate, steven, or whatever was the troon's name, was annoying and all but at least he worked with animation so it still made more sense for him to be there than other hosts, like what was the point of Nolan?
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>>1310253his fetish is so fucking cringy it's laughable, how do you even develop something so vile and retarded as a fetish
No. 1310269
>>1310263Fucking gross, why the fuck would you invite this person for a podcast?
Also, I hate Izzy so fucking much. The troon scream in this… damn.
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>>1310269bruh… he's hideous
No. 1310286
>>1310244Pan sure has a bit of a complex with his race, I remember him saying that he related to Dib from Invader Zim's as a child because it was the only reference of a "pasty chicano" he had or something.
>>1310252Pan just leading the podcast conversation and letting others talk would have worked under normal circumstances but his friend's seriously needed to be told to shut up.
>>1310279I remember there always been a lot of complaints about him even before he trooned, so maybe, but considering how awful Pan's social circle is anyway, it's hard to tell.
No. 1310305
>>1310257Kek exactly what I was thinking
>>1310228Well you're right that he looks pretty European-descended instead of a pasty mestizo, but imo there's nothing wrong with him calling himself a pasty Mexican (although what
>>1310251 said is kind of annoying). I agree with the other anon that it's kinda cute though. Too bad he's such a coomer because that ruins his videos for me now.
No. 1310502
>>1310471I agree but to be fair I think he meant in American media in general, other than what is a network aimed at a Latino audience (in the US and abroad so it hardly counts as American media IMO). In that case it's true that at least back in the day, most representation Latinos got were Mexican stereotypes that didn't look like that. There are still sterotypes in current cartoons but at least they are not as stupid as before. Plus not everyone likes telenovelas so maybe he wanted to be represented as something other than a rich white dude in a crappy telenovela.
>>1310484>i would be furious if they represented me as a bunch of poorlets living in a rat nest with my 50 cousins.There's nothing wrong with having a big family or your country being portrayed as having poor villages if it's true, wtf. In fact, every single country has poor rural villages, I don't see how it's a problem to base a story on that kind of thing as long as it's not done in an insulting way. Mexicans fucking loved Coco so much that it came out in Mexico a month before it premiered in the US, although some complained about gringos making a movie about a fake version of our culture, but the less Americanized and more casual audience who isn't terminally online absolutely adored it because it was inspired by Mexican films and a lot of people grew up in poor homes with lots of siblings so a lot of Mexicans related to it. It's like the thought of Latinos being implied to be poor or not white offends you kek. As for Los Casagrande, I don't know and I don't care but those are meant to represent Latino diaspora in the US unlike Coco. For reference, plenty of golden age Mexican cinema films were set in little villages so for a lot of Mexicans Coco was very nostalgic.
Though it does piss me off as well that in American media, Latinos are rarely portrayed as pale/white. Despite all the memes about Argentinians not being white, it is true that Argentina, along with Uruguay, has the highest proportion of Caucasians in Latin America, and in Mexican media, Argeninians are often portrayed as whiter than the locals. But non-Latinos see us all as the same "race" so of course Americans wouldn't dare portray a filthy Latino as white (this goes for both hateful racists and fake "progressive" white savior complex racists who think they're doing us a favor by continuing to portray us in the same way as always because white people are evil).
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>>1309069I mean kitty dog's whole shtick through her whole fame was that she drew exclusively cartoony eyestrain blobcats so this is pretty much expected.
That airbrushed pillowshading looks a bit atrocious for someone that was such a central figure in a whole art community and that interacts with so many other artists, tho.
>>1309766I think a lot of them simply just became adults and got too busy with college (or even their own personal projects) for that. I think there's also some that simply got tired of it because animating takes a lot of effort and can be pretty tedious.
No. 1311388
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>artist holds a "draw to adopt"
>never announces a winner despite multiple entries
May as well be common use now.
No. 1311452
>>1310947Honestly as an artist who doesn’t have the ability to visualise anything and cannot draw from imagination (neither can I build a visual library), amalgamating your references is the bare fucking minimum of what you should do. You’re SUPPOSED to do that or give credit to the reference you are using if you are copying it.
I’ll be the first person to say: “stop shitting on people who need visual prompts and jumping off points in order to create. Saying it’s stealing or cheating is retarded,” as there can be a multitude of neurological reasons as to why they just can’t draw from their head (which are nobody’s business but theirs). Then needing a jumping off point doesn’t necessarily make their creation lesser than someone else’s. But like… copying your reference exactly is not referencing, it’s just copying.
However, I don’t blame a webtoon artist of all people at all for doing this shit. Webtoon is so fucking shitty nowadays. You have lone artists drawing on a wacom bamboo in their bedroom in their underwear competing with entire teams of people who release multiple pages from a massive backlog per week. If you don’t cut corners in this regard then you WILL become irrelevant to the algorithm. I don’t see this as a personal character flaw or moral/artistic failing it’s a consequence of algorithm driven social media and the pressure for lone, online artists to be industry standard.
No. 1311478
>>1311452AYRT, I agree with the rest of your points, but to clarify: Lotusbubble isn't a webtoon artist. She's an artist that got popular from copying Loish and now makes bank from making tutorials on her patreon. you can't swing a cat on instagram without finding derivatives of her over-saturated, pseudo-disney pretty girl portrait style.
She's just making a comic in her spare time. And the art is definitely very weak compared to her normal stuff, because her normal stuff is just copied from single references.
No. 1311758
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Clip Studio Paint is getting Adobe'd.
No. 1312009
>>1311924Right. Everyone and their mothers pirated SAI back in the day -and still do- and it has never been a problem. Specially because no one goes out of their way to force artists to prove they are using 'legal' software.
(Tho I remember a few years back there was some kind of controversy against creators using pirated SAI but it died out really quickly and nobody gaf)
No. 1312183
>>1311758So they are keeping V1, but if you want V2, you have to pay a yearly fee. Not exactly a monthly fee. As someone who already does the PAYG method for the iPad, it doesn't bug me much.
My only issue is: if you stop paying for V2, does it take all the upgrades away you already paid for or do they become permanent upgrades and then you can unsub? otherwise, it would be more beneficial for them to just monetize brushes instead if they really want something people will pay for over and over and over. It just seems, IMO, that they want more repeated revenue rather than a buy one and done method unless you have an iPad or another type of portable system you need the paid version for already.
No. 1312232
>>1307135>POC queer art on twitter>avoid rabid twitter usersI don't think that's possible
>>1307027It quite literally doesn't matter I think most of that art is made by white people for a western/westernised audience while telling themselves it's for the "greater good" but someone will probably post your art here to complain about it.
If you wanted clout why not try fanart?
No. 1312473
>>1312183Yeah. You either go back to the base v2 or v1.x depending on what you bought.
that said, since it looks like they're still offering perpetual liscences for 2.0, I hope they will continue to offer perpetuals. I don't typically use features that get introduced.
>>1311758the flowchart looks insane and i can only hope that when 3.0 comes out, they'll have a perpetual liscence for it so you can have an option of having a fully stable program, but just not any new additional features.