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No. 1198440

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Discuss anything pertaining to Autism, Aspergers or ADHD/ADD experiences as a woman here.
Talk about the difficulty of diagnosis as a woman, the struggles with being compared to male autists. Or even discuss the recent uptick in autism diagnoses in online mental health communities like Tiktok.

No. 1198446

Autists? On my lolcow?

It's more likely than you think.

No. 1198451


No. 1198466

>>1198440
I feel like I relate more to male autists than I do to non autistic women and that sucks, I wish I could have friendships with women but it's like we live in two different worlds.

No. 1198506

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>recent uptick in autism diagnoses in online mental health communities like Tiktok
mfw i didnt even think it was possible for me to be an autismo until earlier this year and watching tiktok kids self-diagnose makes me feel like an attention-whoring faker. i flew under the radar during my entire childhood because of immigrant parents but i very clearly remember that it just fit way too well when i finally actually read into it properly, like someone typed out my entire life story in words. it was cathartic to discover that there was finally a legitimate reason for why the hell im like this but i also feel like its made me more insecure because i am now way more conscious of my dumb and weird mannerisms. oh well

No. 1198515

>>1198506
Same anon. I related to a lot of the previous thread and recently got some documents from my elementary school days saying that I fit the profile of having asperger's, but nothing was ever pursued for some reason, so I just got the depression/anxiety diagnoses. I've struggled with being a functioning human being for so long and getting an actual diagnosis would be great to get the help I need but apparently it's difficult. Some of the places I was looking into had really limited testing methods that still favored male autism too.
The 'new school' autism that accounts for the differences in female behavior has been somewhat validating but I also feel like a super faker because it still feels like a reach to me.

No. 1198596

>>1198440
Honestly this quirky autismo 4chan mascot girl is pretty cringe for an OP, I didn't expect her to be used here.

No. 1198599

I have ADHD (i think). My roommate has autism AND adhd. She’s a nightmare and like a tornado. Her eyes however, kind of disgust me. They’re not necessarily ugly alone, but kind of psycho. I can’t explain. But when she talks to me, I see too much white and in the middle of talking it randomly spurts open. Is it understandable to get upset at this kind of eye contact? I thought since autists can’t into eye contact it might have to do with her autism, but it may be her borderline personality disorder/other kind of personality disorder.

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>>1198599
This is pseudo science imo, but the third set and fifth set is basically what her eyes look like to me. It just looks unsettling. Or is it not at all pseudo science? It’s not like I’m any better, since I have the first set. I’m a person with a lot of stress and anxiety.

No. 1198606

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sometimes i wonder if i'm autistic or if i'm just a product of deffective rolemodels + childhood trauma + general sensitivity.
as i grow up and experience life, i've come to realize that my mom's behavior was not normal in the first place. she's always been prone to big outbursts, lots of nitpicking, very judgemental comments towards myself and high expectations for my own behavior. i started showing signs of mild anxiety early on but she'd always tell me i "used to be normal but became irrational" and that i wasn't anything like her. now i see that she's as much of an anxious mess as i used to be until recently.
she didn't really have friends and often dropped friendships after big fights and lots of drama and she'd always tell me that if someone wronged me even in the slightest, i should drop them. i thought it was just standing up for myself but now i see that telling a kid to cut off another kid for cancelling your sleepover is absolutely demented. her and my dad also cut off most of their family for good reasons so i was pretty isolated and without many examples of healthy socialization. my mom picked me up for lunch and immediately after school so i never really got to socialize beyond recess until highschool.
sorry for long post but i think you can see that i was starting off on the wrong foot.
i also got slightly bullied for being the weird weeb goth kid and it completely shut me off. i became bitter and believed that no one could ever be my friend beyond the few who somehow liked me already. mixed with my father's death which was really hard to deal with emotionnally with my mom freaking out all the time and my tiny child brain not being able to process it… i turned to the internet early and kept telling myself that only liking underground stuff and staying away from the normies was super cool and healthy, actually. tumblr also damaged my brain with all the SJW bullshit even if i'm completely healed from that now.

all these unhealthy behaviors took so long to undo and now i still struggle to interact with people and make new friends. maybe i'm autistic but maybe i was also set up to be like this. maybe a mix of both. anyway i'm not sure what a diagnosis would do for me since i don't sperg out or have meltdowns because of sensitivity issues. i tend to be obsessive about my interests but now i don't drop them nearly as quickly as i used to so i don't think it's an issue. it's mostly the social issues i'd like to completely disappear.

sorry for the novel nonnies i just can't admit to anyone i think i might have autism

No. 1198607

>>1198599
There are just people with overly intense/bulging eyes. I don't know if it's some milder case of mild hyperthyroidism or just weird facial features, since they're also always overly energetic people that are tiring to just be around but their wide open eyes and mannerism also makes them seem dumber than they are imo. It'd be a nightmare to live with someone like that.

No. 1198608

>>1198596
It annoys me, but maybe nd nonas relate to a more nuanced interpretation of her. I had to hide it, it was aggravating me, kek.

No. 1198614

>>1198596
Sorry anon, I worried she would get bad feedback but I wanted something more interesting than just posting an infographic and thought it'd be acceptable. I probably should have used the sesame street girl

No. 1198615

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Does anyone else have an autism diagnosis but feel like their social skills are too good to qualify as autistic? I'm not amazing socially or anything but people in general seem to like me and I can read tone/body language/expressions OK. In fact I seem to be very much more aware of those things than most people and way more sensitive to other peoples' emotions than average also. I always wonder if my social anxiety was so severe it just made me get diagnosed as autistic (it was very severe and I could barely speak). But apart from social skills, I relate pretty heavily to being autistic. So I'm not sure.

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>>1198446
You're telling me meticulously curated and maintained dox of lolcows is probably the result of an autistic special interest?

I'm shocked I tell you.

No. 1198621

>>1198615
I wonder this too. I actually find myself being the first to understand a joke when others, even neurotypicals, don't get it. And I think I can read body language well enough. I think my issue comes from assumptions or projecting my own feelings onto others. Call it female socialization but even in lists of same sex traits, not understanding social cues or hyperbole is a big one. So I dunno.

No. 1198622

>>1198615
I think it's the eternal dilemma for terminally online and/or loner people. The chicken and the egg question of "am I weird because I'm autistic or do I display autistic traits because I'm undersocialized"

No. 1198665

>>1198621
I do kind of have a hard time with jokes if I'm not familiar with the person's style of humor. But it doesn't cause me issues since I can tell when someone is telling a joke and I laugh anyway. Tbh not sure if my good social skills are a result of being very friendly and laughing/smiling/nodding appropriately at the person regardless of my own feelings about the conversation. But do neurotypical people also do this and that's why their social skills are better too? Do autists lack this ability to do this appropriately? Idfk.

>>1198622
I find it confusing because I relate heavily to things I would have thought neurotypical people can't relate to at all, like I stim a lot and have strong sensory issues. Like can you develop that shit just from being a loner? It just seems like the fundamental autism thing is social skills are mine are definitely passable.

No. 1198674

My psychiatrist tries to get me to find a job that will not fucking ruin me since the one that I currently have is not fit at all for a person with intense (is there any other?) ADHD-PI/ADD and social avoidance. Does any of you have an idea what could fit me? I've been trying to find a position like this my whole life and I still have no fucking idea. Especially taking into account that I need at least slightly more than a minimum salary to afford rent, medicine, food etc.
I will research this more, but thought it does not hurt to ask.

No. 1198676

>>1198607
Damn anon, you’re crazily smart. What’s your disease, autism or adhd?

No. 1198685

My mom said last night that I was originally diagnosed as autistic but a second impression said I checked more Tourette’s. the dr basically told her to stick with the autism diagnosis because there’s more money that we could claim.

No. 1198718

>>1198685
I'm sorry for laughing, that's so fucking weird, what the fuck. How do you feel about this confession? I'd be upset, at the very least.

No. 1198797

>>1198718
I’ve spent the past 15-20 years thinking I’m autistic but I do think I have traits of both.

No. 1199337

Diagnosed spergs, did you have to bring a parent in for your evaluation? That's the only thing stopping me from getting the diagnosis. I'm so embarrassed by the thought of my parents sitting there being questioned on how retarded I was as a kid and how retarded they perceive me to be today. I wanted to get the diagnosis and not tell anyone ever but I guess it's not possible?

No. 1199406

>>1199337
Yeah I did have to have a parent with me. It was important for the childhood history part. I don't know how it normally goes though that was just my experience. I'm sure there has to be some allowances for people who don't have a living parent/guardian they are in contact with. For your case I would kindly say get over it.

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blog incoming:
oh boy its prior auth time!
time for all my hard work developing routines and maintaining good habits to be destroyed by ? weeks without medication because the insurance company i pay thousands of dollars to every year is hoping that if they put enough hoops in front of me, maybe this time ill give up and let my whole life fall apart forever. lucky for me i am so stubborn that a doctor literally diagnosed me as obstinate and defiant once. plus this happens every fucking year so at least i know exactly what to do. i am on hold with doctors office to make sure theyve called the insurance company and then im gonna call the pharmacy every day for the next couple weeks until they have my stupid fucking pills.
id be grateful for the motivation to push through my social phobia and make phone calls i need to make, but not having stimulants triggers a cascade of bullshit that sucks just as much as crippling anxiety so its not much of a win. plus there are about four million equally super important things i need to do but im spending my energy on this, and im gonna reward myself by not putting any of that other shit on my to-do list for today. (not cuz im a spoony but cuz my habit is to reward myself for success by adding things to my to-do list. this is an excellent way to destroy motivation to do anything at all if youre looking for one for some reason.)

id welcome any pro-tips, like if theres a way to know exactly when the prior auth request will be coming, please share.

No. 1199600

>>1198606
Sounds like and your mom both have it.

No. 1199738

A councillor told me I should get autism testing just based off what I told them about my childhood experiences and idk. I always thought there was a chance I could be on the spectrum just because of how much of a social failure I am and the fact that I always deal with feeling guilty for not behaving the way I feel like people want me to behave and not having the correct responses and emotions towards certain situations. The biggest thing that stopped me from ever pursuing testing was the fact that I do not have sensory issues nor am I someone who has a strict routine of any kind. I feel like I am wasting my time on this, especially since there seems to be no help where i live for anybody over 19.

No. 1199754

Do any anons here have tips on how to manage the sound sensitivity? College classes have been really difficult for me, because almost everyone uses a laptop and the sound of typing drives me insane while I'm trying to listen to the lecture. I'm still able to get good grades and all, but it's just an awful experience.

No. 1199756

>>1199754
I use earbuds, nonny. They don't have to be noise cancelling, just having earbuds in helps dampen noise. I also recommend getting noise cancelling headphones at some point for later though, because you might be in a situation later that they can be really helpful in (like blocking out people yelling or road noise, things like that).

No. 1199767

Sometimes I think I'm too autistic for a serious relationship, one where you come home and have to talk to them everyday. I'll admit to being an introvert that needs my alone time unbothered or else I get really agitated. I'm also extremely touchy on being touched, sometimes I crave it but other times I can go weeks without someone touching me.
I've never been in a serious relationship like this and don't know if I can be, maybe I just need to find another autist like me.

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>>1198596
>>1198608
>>1198614
Honestly, I've always liked her. Finally feel represented in something. OP could have picked a better image though.

No. 1199780

I have ADHD and I hate this thread pic, now I will see it being bumped always and it's gonna suck.

No. 1199788

>>1199780
You can hide the thread and/or threadpic

No. 1199796

I hate the thread pic not only because of the coomer undertones like I got a feeling the artist draws coomer shit but also because the perspective is all fucky, it triggers me.
I don't hate it enough to hide it, though. Agh.

No. 1199800

>>1199772
I like character Ashbie as a face of female autism since it's always seen as a moid problem, so it's nice to have something for once. But, the "original" owner who runs the Instagram I think is a tranny which is sad. When he dated that fakeboi, she posted a voice note and Ashbie sounded like a text to speech female bot or a man putting on a voice and trying so hard. I'm not trying to derail so I'll shut the fuck up but I know somethings off
>>1199796
Artist I think is teyoid, they draw bastardised anime girls kek

No. 1199876

Last thread pic was cool and informative, it truly takes the wrong type of autist to pick the ugliest thread pic ever.

No. 1199879

>>1199772
>Wojaks
Ugly shit, someone remake the thread please.

No. 1199902

Any other adhdfags here. I hate this stupid disorder, I'm like an adult child. I can't remember to shower and my emotions are all over the place, all the time. I need to go back on medication but I can't due to financial/medical reasons at least until september. The worst part is rejection dysphoria, it sounds stupid but it's so real. People mildly ribbing on me will stay in my head for years. I feel like I remember every single time I was rejected or hurt by others and even small additions to that stack of memories makes me feel like I'm going to crumble under the weight. I don't know if this makes any sense. Basically I hate that adhd is real and that I have it.

No. 1199924

>>1199902

Yep i feel retarded some days because of it. I have to rely on sticky notes and lists of things to do otherwise it won’t get done. Too busy wondering what it’d be like to have fur on your tongue or when were snails discovered or so on and then you’ve become homeless because you didn’t pay any of your bills or do your job because you remembered that one time someone made a small comment that didn’t even matter yet still it crushes you inside. Medication is so helpful but it’s truly a pain in the ass to actually get it every month.

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i can’t stand seeing attention hungry teenagers turning a neurodevelopmental disorder that makes daily life incredibly hard, to something they can get internet specialty points for. my social skills are pretty good for being autistic, yet in the recent year i have seen online autistic spaces rise the bar for what is ””high functioning”” constantly. it feels like what people consider being autistic is morphing more and more to just neurotypical, with a few quirks.

on the other side, i really am happy to see more autistic women and girls be able to get help, recognition and support.

No. 1199982

>>1199879
>>1199780
>>1199796
>>1199876
Holy shit it's just a picture calm down and hide it

No. 1200162

>>1199738
I don't have routines either, I just like things done a certain way. I think the routine thing can be a bit misleading.

No. 1200165

Communicating with NTs can be so annoying. I speak clearly, I am rude. They don't speak clearly and I am rude for trying to clarify.

No. 1200169

adhd/add and autism are not related. adhd/add groups are just trying to get more recognition via the autism label. adhd and autism are comorbid, but in their own they're like opposites.

No. 1200178

blogpost rant but bear with me

i may be alone forever unless i make myself miserable from constantly pretending to be normal. literally no friends stick around. i got along well with scrotes until they bully me because i won't date them, or until they leave because i got a boyfriend. having a boyfriend is a bit less lonely than having nobody but men don't have the emotional depth. girls sniff out the slightest bit of the tism and label me as cringy and useless immediately. i don't put up with that. then i get the bitch label, and they end up bullying me too. at least in adulthood the bullying is not so intense, but the fact that they still do it is insane. i am already an autist so why do they have to make me even more miserable??? autist girls don't like me either i don't know why, maybe i look like their bullies or someshit. it's a bit better when i embrace a subculture but i had to tone it down to get a job.

seeing other people with childhood friends, big weddings, tons of comments under their posts and hundreds of likes on their pictures fills me with sadness and envy. i wish i was good enough to have girl friends. usually when i message someone they flake off or write back much less than i do. internet friends are easier to have and may be the only friends i can sustain. i have been trying my entire life to accept forever loneliness. conforming to a group just for a feeling of togetherness is way too tiring to keep up and lacks the depth of emotional connection i actually crave.

No. 1200184

>>1200178
I've had the same experiences anon. If it helps, I've found that the less I try to be social and look at social media of others being social, the less lonely I feel. The loneliness comes from not having friends but also from being constantly rejected. Looking at social media (which is fake anyway) is just like being rejected repeatedly.

Nowadays I only talk to my bf and listen to audiobooks and take part in online communities for socialization. Finding a good bf is difficult but worth it if you can. Look for an introvert.

After a while, you get used to being alone. It's also a relief not having to mask all the time. You learn to get emotional connections from media (favourite books, characters, etc) and from pets. It's not the same but being alone doesn't have to mean being lonely.

No. 1200190

>>1200184
>not having friends
>my bf
>boyfriend
>boy-friend
Holy fucking shit

No. 1200194

>>1200184
>Looking at social media (which is fake anyway) is just like being rejected repeatedly.
you phrased it so well. thanks for the advice anon.
seeing social media interactions of normies is painful, because it does feel like rejection. their abundance of friends reminds me of my lack even though i don't crave a big friend group or very busy social life at all
>im commenting to prove i am your friend
>i compliment you to show you what good friend i am
>i talk about our history together to strenghten our bond and reinforce it in the eyes of others
over and over i just can't imagine how often and what they talk about to be that close and supportive, and for what they need to show that off for. i can appreciate and support people in private. my online friendships are much easier to keep up and i am fine with not meeting them in real life. it can be too much. i will heed your advice actually. when i went off grid for a camp without internet i relaxed in nature, immersed myself in nice stories and worked on crafts. it was lovely. there is much fun to be had without people. and you are right. i don't have to participate in digital social facade.

No. 1200195

Has anyone else being diagnosed autistix but think they are actually schizoid?

No. 1200197

>>1200194
>im commenting to prove i am your friend
>i compliment you to show you what good friend i am
>i talk about our history together to strenghten our bond and reinforce it in the eyes of others
I hate those types of messages too. They seem fake and it doesn't occur to me to say them because they are so obviously fake. Yet NTs seem to lap them up and hate me for not doing it.

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Godamn, I wish I had something to hyperfixate on like other autists. I just have don’t have any passion for a specific thing for me to sperg about like I used to when I was younger. That isn’t to say that I’m apathetic or anything, I still care about my friends, doing well in school etc and enjoy doing things, it’s just that nothing has ever been able to capture me in the the same way when I was younger, and I kind of hate it. I feel like an autist with generally better lateral thinking than vertical thinking as a result of this, which makes conversation more interesting and makes my social skills more adept.

>>1198615
I literally thought that I passed as a normie for the most part and I think I still sort of do to most people, but recently a friend asked if I was autistic and said that she was able to clock that I was autistic because she worked with autists in the past. I don’t even know what exactly made her clock me as autistic, so I’m guessing it might have been stuff like facial expressions, hand gestures or just ‘vibes’. I don’t want to out myself as being autistic, but I wish I knew if people are able to perceive my autism, or what things make it noticeable

No. 1200201

>>1200198
Why not just ask her why she asked you? You don't have to say you already know.

No. 1200205

>>1200190
Yeah, I normally hate when people claim to be completely alone but have a bf (or close family) as I was like that for many years. But as the poster before me said, having a friend (especially a best female friend) and a bf will never be the same.

I'm not going to pretend having a bf is close to being a complete loner but only having a bf does have it's lonely aspects too, especially if you don't have close female relatives to take their place.

No. 1200211

>>1200194
>>1200178
It's also helpful to not think of anyone you do talk with as a potential friend. They are just someone making small talk. If they want to be a friend, let them make all the effort.

I think autistic women sometimes struggle with telling polite conversation and potential friendships apart, which leads to rejection. NTs drop hints that they don't want to be friends and we miss all of them.

Basically just minimise the number of potential situations where you can be rejected and it will help a lot with loneliness.

No. 1200214

>>1200178
I have some "normal" friends that I'm not overly close with and it's so hard for me not to out myself as a friendless loser lol. People consider meeting 4 different groups, be baking for some social outing and going to dates just a regular day of the week, and it'd fucking kill me even if I had to do this all in a single week. Some girl canceled tutoring on me because she had to many social responsibilities, and holy shit I cannot relate.

No. 1200219

>>1200214
>I have some "normal" friends that I'm not overly close with and it's so hard for me not to out myself as a friendless loser lol.
I hated this when I did try to be social. It's not enough to be a good friend, it's like you have to come with references from other people too.

Maybe you can pretend to have a hobby you spend a lot of time doing? Like running or pottery or something and so you are "too busy" for lots of friends. NTs love being able to claim they are too busy for things.

No. 1200220

>>1200190
>boy-friend as your only social support and outlet
Have fun taking abuse like a doormat because you don't have anyone else and it's better than complete social isolation. Or facing it anyway when the scrote suddenly drops you for what he thinks is Manic Pixie Dream Girl.

No. 1200221

>>1200195
lowkey, cuz i definitely dont relate to alot of these autists, no offense autistnons

No. 1200222

>>1200211
>NTs drop hints that they don't want to be friends and we miss all of them
What are some of those hints?

No. 1200224

>>1200222
No idea, I'm a sperg too. I've just put this together from experience and reading other autistic experiences. I wish there was a subreddit or something where autistic people could have NTs spell out what all their various hints are.

If I had to guess, I'd say not seeming very enthusiastic to meet up again? Not asking for phone numbers? Saying "we should do this again sometime" which is meant as a polite goodbye and not actually an indication that they want to meet up. Unless they suggest something specific (that isn't them trying to use you) assume you're not going to be friends.

It's easiest just to let them make the effort and not try yourself to be honest.

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>>1200211
i done the first two and it resulted in having no friends, other than scrotes i hoped/thought were my friends, only to later realize, they talked to me for ulterior motives.

i keep making small talk with people and retreating after, until it turns into something better. i like making people laugh. i wanted to avoid social interactions completely but. i moved countries multiple times because i wanted to reinvent myself. i taught i could get rid of my awkwardness. and it helped get rid of that, but not the exhaustion i felt for faking my face, tone of voice and interest to everyone around me the whole day and sometimes even my own flatmates. i thought i was depressed for a long time because of not knowing it is spergshit. maybe it's both, i don't know.
getting to know new people regularly is my cope towards normaldom.

>>1200214
same, their lives seems to entirely revolve around hanging out with others. i could not imagine doing that for just one day either, it sounds stressful as fuck. but if i don't also mention some friendshit they think i am a creep.

>any other anons take on personas to bear with situations?

i have a joking persona where i remember all of my funny stories and make myself upbeat and bubbly, and shortly leave after making people laugh. couple this with having weirdly colored hair and i get away with more weird behaviors because people don't expect me to be normal once seeing it.

No. 1200226

>>1200219
Oh, I don't really care about appearing busy anymore, even though I did make up shit in the past when I was asked about my weekend or something. Nowadays I leave it up to implications , I won't cancel on someone just because of some kind of social flex. I like to have the image of a reserved person with a smaller friend group instead of like a yuppie social butterfly, while in reality at most I have professional relationships and only my parents to call if I need help.
The thing is that highly social people just think their experience is baseline, and they feel awkward when you don't pick up the "you THINK you're busy? listen to my life" game. They talk in a "you know how it is"-way and I just go "yeah, sure", but I know over time they can pick up that I don't have a lot going on.

No. 1200236

>>1200225
>i have a joking persona where i remember all of my funny stories and make myself upbeat and bubbly, and shortly leave after making people laugh. couple this with having weirdly colored hair and i get away with more weird behaviors because people don't expect me to be normal once seeing it.
I used to do this to blend in but you're basically playing the jester for them. They don's see you on the same level, they just want to laugh at you and you're too sperg to realise it.

No. 1200273

Is it an autistic masking thing or is it normal to keep certain hobbies to yourself? Like only talk about mainstream movies with people you know and keep your love for say, Weimar Republic era cinema a secret because surely they wouldn't know about it?

No. 1200300

>>1200273
Autistic. Normies might do it too but leans more autistic masking.

No. 1200301

>>1200220
Honestly, after 20 years of being literally lonely (no friends, no partners, family there but completely emotionally unavailable) with no one to talk to about happy or sad events of my life, having a bf is definitely better than being really lonely. Like I would even take a bf or gf pretending to be my lover, you become that desperate. And a lot of people are happy with their partners.

No. 1200302

>>1200300
Would it be less autistic to sperg about your niche interests?

No. 1200307

>>1200302
Huh? Masking and keeping things secret to avoid sperging is autistic. Normies don't have niche interests normally, but when they do, they talk about them normally as they can resist sperging.

No. 1200384

>>1198615
>>1198621
I’m quite good at reading expressions and understanding jokes and am significantly better at catching misunderstandings when they happen than anyone else I know, but I think I developed those skills by staying on the fringes of conversation and observing people. When watching shows or movies with interpersonal intrigue like Jane Austen movies, Downton Abbey, Game of Thrones etc. I’m usually the one who has to explain to everyone else why two characters suddenly hate each other or why something someone said was significant to the plot or whatever. But I can only do this when I’m off to the side observing. If I’m expected to join in on the conversation it can get overwhelming and cause me to drop my spaghetti.

No. 1200399

I know this is conceited as hell, but I honestly think no one has ever taken my autism seriously because i'm pretty and look/dress like a "stacey". Has anyyone else had this experience?

No. 1200405

>>1200399
Yes, I think this is common in women who have a late diagnosis. They are seen as manic pixie dream girls, quirky, etc.

No. 1200406

Serious question: what is the difference being autistic and not fitting in socially due to a long period of isolation?

No. 1200407

>>1200406
Being socially awkward is only one aspect of autism.

No. 1200410

Parody of deranged Depp fans(wrong thread)

No. 1200414

>>1200410
Wrong thread?

No. 1200416

>>1200406
autism =/= social maladjustment.

No. 1200418

>>1200414
Damn, yes.

No. 1200421

>>1200414
Nta but I assure you this was crafted with autism

No. 1200428

>>1200418
… Delete it??

No. 1200449

>>1199767
>find another autist like me
I'm trying to get with this autistic guy. It's difficult for both of us. You know how pinkpilled dating rules tells us we should never try to fix a man? Yeah that's hard when just the though of being hugged gives him crazy anxiety. We have so much work to do. As you mention, we both need a lot of alone time. I don't think any NT male would prefer it that way so maybe you should give autistic guys a chance. Being able to outright say ''hey I'm feeling super overwhelmed today and don't want to talk'' or being able to tell each other you'd like a couple of weeks of no contact without anyone getting hurt? It's heaven compared to trying to adjust to NT guys normie ways.

I feel like autistic couples have to work a lot together and show a looot of patience towards each others quirks. But I also feel like autistic men are the only moids who somewhat understand us. You're more likely to speak the same language.

No. 1200555

Vent but I"m so tired of uni. Having to do this final project all on my own while having the lovely combination of ADHD and autism without any meds makes it near impossible. I'm getting extremely anxious just looking at it and I don't know how to get out of it.

No. 1200623

>>1199902
i'm by no means trying to armchair diagnose or anything but that description of adhd sounds a lot like bpd, is anyone here comorbid with both or have thoughts on it? i think i've heard that they present similarly in women. also reminds me of the forever ongoing autism or bpd debate online

No. 1200643

>>1200623
I don't have any symptoms of bpd other than emotional disregulation which is a major (possibly THE major) symptoms of adhd. I've been diagnosed professionally w adhd for seven years, not every mentally ill woman is bpd.

No. 1200650

>>1200643
i'm aware nonna, sorry if it sounded like i was forcing a diagnosis onto you if you're that anon. i'm just curious about people's thoughts on the common symptoms between the two, especially because i've been seeing discourse surrounding it a lot, and how bpd might be overdiagnosed in women.

No. 1200655

>>1200643
nta but how does emotional disregulation manifest?

No. 1200669

>>1200655
It's the inability to calm yourself down when you're upset. Like your emotions ratchet up to extremes at minor provocation and you don't know how to deal with it.

No. 1200775

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I will smile and laugh and make all the expected expressions but when people turn their backs and finally leave me alone my face just drops. All the muscles relax and I feel so much better. It's kinda alarming because I feel like a sociopath for lying to everyone but at the same time relieved I can stop acting. Life is so exhausting.

No. 1200802

>>1200775
Same and everytime i have even slightly brought it, someone says I must be autistic and masking. I’m just not an expression-y bitch, damn.

No. 1200851

>>1198440
Okay so I just want some nonnie opinions on this theory that i've had for a while. I look back on my school history and see clear and obvious signs of ADHD. Disruptive, talkative, argumentative with teachers particularly when bored, inconsistent work output dependant on whether I was personally interested in the topic, etc. Like I was mad for a while but times past and i've got over it but it seems like dyslexia is the first port of call, then from there other ND are screened for. That theory might just be on my head, or a regional thing (UKfag) but I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this? Like I was otherwise "smart" and capable, but I couldn't revise for the life of me, and because i was seemingly "smart" teachers wouldn't believe that i didn't understand what the fuck revision even was. If anyone can relate I'd love to hear from you, slso for transparency, not diagnosed so take with that what you will.

Also i had a friend that i am sure looking back on was austistic. high achiever, sensitive, special interested in animals, particularly wolves. I swear women are perpetually screwed over and im sick. of. it.

No. 1200945

>>1200655
Basically extreme, illogical emotional reactions that are very hard/impossible to calm. One example from my life is losing things, I HATE losing things but it's more than normal annoyance. If I lose something I will start to go into this weird emotional spiral where it feels like my life is out of control and I freak out and start yelling/sometimes hitting myself etc. It's weird and embarrassing but the best way I can describe it is having your emotions turned up to ten and on a hair trigger all the time.

No. 1201011

>>1198506
exact same here. I'm hesitant to tell anyone or ask about it IRL because I don't want to sound like I'm larping

No. 1201014

>>1200775
kek i do this too

No. 1201036

>>1200775
I'm the polar opposite, I don't know what kind of faces I make with people but I know I do move my face around a lot when I am thinking in my head. It would upset some of my teachers I think who thought I was making faces at them I guess but I was just daydreaming.

No. 1201046

>>1200775
This is me when I'm off my Adderall lol. I went to the dentist the other day and the cleaning tech. complimented me on my shirt. I'd taken only half a pill that day and normally I would've been chatty and be all thankful but that day, it was like my brain was either too retarded to fire a neuron quick enough, or I just didn't give a fuck. I just smiled and looked down at my shirt. I'm not a sociopath, either, but it's like my brain doesn't really care about social mores. Feels kinda nice.

No. 1201047

>>1200236
i don't mind being the clown if they actually like me. when they're judgmental normies i can tell the difference. like when i made a joke to my friends in highschool and a normie was watching me and laughing saying "do it again" i obviously didn't mean to entertain them specifically but my friend friend the same sense of humor. now there's many kind people in alternative scenes, i never had that problem there.

No. 1201050

>>1200236
Life's too short to worry about randos taking me seriously or not.

No. 1201058

>>1201050
same, as long as i am having fun, others like it and it isn't exhausting i don't even care if a few people think i'm a cringey weirdo. i think people that judge me for something i was born with is more cringe and i am not wasting my time on thinking about them much less trying to appeal to their boringness and shallowness

No. 1201075

Not to be all NLOG but why is talking to neurotypical women so hard? When I'm alone I feel normal and capable, but compared to most women I come off as some primitive ape thing. If I do somehow manage to make a connection, I usually end up being treated like a pet or a child, or they only talk to me when they need information about some special interest of mine. I'm way too intense and sporty for most nerd girls, so I usually end up getting along with men even though I don't like most of them. Even my closest, long-term female friends treat me like a basket case and make fun of me for shit I can't control, or they shower me with fake compliments and enthusiasm despite never initiating conversation or meeting plans. Fuck this gay earth, I think I'll go live in the jungle where I apparently belong.

No. 1201121

Its so obvious I have aspergers irl and I hate it so much..

No. 1201129

>>1201075
Are you me? Can you take me to the jungle with you?

No. 1201131

>>1201075
Because men are inherently autistic and very shallow, their friendships are easy but not worth as much especially if you're a woman because they only care about pussy or supporting other random men for most cases.
They also treat girls nicely because they think they can fuck or date you one day. Most of my male friends came out with their romantic feelings after tricking me for months.

No. 1201133

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I need to find an irl hobby that aspie or at least nerdy, weird women gravitate towards. Nigel is nice and all but having no other social life is eating away at me. And I get along with nerdy scrotes but I've accepted I'll never be friends with them the way I could be with women. Been there done that honestly

No. 1201153

fuck reading this thread makes me want to cry. i remember sobbing to my mom in middle school about not being able to make any friends. i still can't, and now i'm almost 30 anyways and a complete shut-in. i can't even make friends online, it truly is a lonely af miserable existence. i want "friends," i crave social bonds but am clueless. mood shifts a million times a day, it's exhausting and i'm honestly amazed I've made it this far in life but i'm too stubborn to not keep going. i feel like my mom knows too but never told me for whatever reason. i was in therapy super young for being a problem child… always wonder what they told her. She's a super depressed alcoholic tho so who fuckin knows. anyways, i need a hug, thank God for cats

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>>1201153
i can relate to a lot of those feelings, for whatever it is worth. virtual hug for you.

No. 1201248

>>1201129
Of course, anon, we can be neighbours.

>>1201131
Oh trust me I know, I've been on more accidental 'dates' than I can count because I was literally too autistic/disinterested to understand men thought they could score when I was just trying to be friends and hang out. What really disgusts me is now that I'm more confident and assertive and less concerned with trying to be conventionally attractive, most men my age or younger pretend like I don't exist if I try to talk to them. All my former male 'friends' are gone because either they were being creepy or they ditched me once they got girlfriends, and I don't care to make any more.

No. 1201335

Does anyone else feel that neurotypicals are weird about compliments? I often find the follow situations occur:

1. Neurotypical compliments me on something so basic it seems comical. For example, a guy the other day held up my writing to show how neat it was when it was literally just a form I filled in with block capitals. I had to try not to laugh.

2. Neurotypical compliments me on something I am wearing but they mean it as a sarcastic insult, e.g. "nice shirt". Just why. Keep your stupid opinions to yourself.

3. Neurotypical compliments me on something I am wearing and it seems genuine but then when I tell then something about the item, e.g. where I got it, their eyes glaze over and I can tell they didn't really mean. Again, just why?

4. I give a neurotypical a genuine compliment and they act weird like am I hitting on them.

No. 1201339

>>1201335
>3. Neurotypical compliments me on something I am wearing and it seems genuine but then when I tell then something about the item, e.g. where I got it, their eyes glaze over and I can tell they didn't really mean. Again, just why?
Just because they complimented you doesn't mean they want to know more of it, they just liked it that's it. It can still be a genuine compliment.

No. 1201342

>>1201133
Female-oriented japanese media and video games have plenty of nerdy women. I'm not sure what creative hobbies have aspies that don't have a lot of males. Probably costume making and such for different fashion communities, but I have zero interest in those.

No. 1201344

>>1201339
I guess that makes sense but it's weird for me. If I like something, I want to know more about it, such as where they got it. Unless their bar for liking things is lower so they compliment things they only like a little bit? Kind of weird but I guess neurotypicals seem to love showering each other in praise and compliments.

I suppose this is why neurotypicals have the cliche reply "oh, this old thing?" and then move on.

No. 1201364

>>1201335
You can't help being on the spectrum, I find it hard to navigate compliments too but to twist these social difficulties around and pretend that it's the 'nts' that are all weird and that you're not the common denominator is not the answer anon.

No. 1201367

>>1201344
They just like it, they do not want to buy it for themselves. It doesn't matter where you got it from, they are not asking you anything.

No. 1201373

>>1201364
Why can't NTs be weird too? Am I not allowed to find anything weird? Fwiw I told my NT bf about the handwriting compliment and he thought it was weird too.

I can accept that perhaps I give compliments strangely (I've stopped doing it because of this) but automatically assuming an ND person must be the weird one in all situations when paired with an NT is just depressing.

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I hate how zoomers think autism is just being quirky. Autism can come with severe intellectual disability where the person just screams all day. Coming from an Eastern shithole my parents have debated giving me up because I used to act like I was blind when things got overwhelming. I never got a diagnosis and don't think I need one because I spent my whole life reading about what the hell can be wrong with me? And now that people talk about their personal experiences more I could 100% understand myself. Back when I was a child only the most annoying boys would be diagnosed with autism, and all the descriptions were about just how low empathy autistics are which I never felt correct to me. I can socially blend in and my problems are mostly sensory. My body can feel very excruciating but I don't show it, or I must pretend it's something that would make sense to a neurotypical. Fuck getting diagnosed and getting discriminated. Nobody cares about "ableism" here, basically if you are not medically retarded, you have to do your best to blend in.

No. 1201398

>>1201364
Well they are weird for being on a high horse claiming they have a lot of empathy and autists having none, meanwhile they actually have 0 empathy and don't care to understand anyone they deem odd. They claim to be adaptable, but can't adapt to ND people even temporarily. Meanwhile autists have to try our entire lives, despite having problems with it.

No. 1201419

i feel like i must be useful and avoidant or else i'll be left behind and i can never be too much, never be myself.
>be funny
>but not like a clown
>be mysterious
>but not in a sad way
always put more effort into my relationships than they put into relationship with me, but carefully manouver it so they won't just use me. i must go away from time to time and remain somewhat a mystery so they think i am cool. when i am just vegging out or sperging about art.

No. 1201529

>>1200775
Normalize this! This is normal! We are all just smiling for other people’s comfort. Even when I’m smiling for real, once the feeling passed, isn’t it normal to just stop smiling and return to the neutral state. Or do normies have a gradual emotional fade out where their smile uncurls itself slowly, somehow that’s even creepier. I’m not autistic btw.

No. 1201539

I hope I never turn into the type of autist who complains about 'teh neurotypicals' as if they're a different species to me or an evil hive mind that's out to get me and all the 'neurodivergents' like me. It's us versus them and we're secretly the smart ones… ffs lol

Sure I was born a tist but being that level of retarded.. thats a choice. You can opt out of the dumb victim twitter speech at any time.

No. 1201546

>>1201539
KEK same. It’s such high school behavior.

No. 1201612

>>1201342
I'd like to find something more western but maybe I'll just be a cringe white girl who shows up to Japanese interest meetups kek

No. 1201679

>>1201539
No, you're just the type of autist that complains about other autists instead. Just as r*tarded.

No. 1201751

>>1201398
This bothers me SO MUCH.
After learning of my diagnosis therapists will tell me that my social difficulties are down to me having no natural empathy or theory of mind. When I try to anticipate other people’s reactions to things, my first instinct is to imagine what I would do or want in that situation, which is often at odds with what the average person would do or want. Supposedly this is a typical autistic trait and non-autistic people don’t have to project onto others because unlike me, they do have empathy and theory of mind.
In my experience, though, neurotypical people project all the time and usually make no effort to consider different perspectives. Coworkers see me eating lunch alone in the office, apparently think “the only reason to eat lunch alone is that you’re stuck up and hate your coworkers” and proceed to act like I’ve insulted them. In reality I’m eating lunch in the office because the cafeteria is really loud and my brain can only handle so much noise. If 50% of my social issues are due to me projecting the wrong things onto others then the other 50% are due to others projecting the wrong things onto me. Sometimes I feel like neurotypical people only appear to be more empathetic than autistic people because their perception of the world is considered the default.

No. 1201772

>>1201679
>r*tarded

You can say slurs here sweetie, we won’t tell.

No. 1201774

>>1201772
Obviously, but I prefer not to.

No. 1201789

>>1201751
>Coworkers see me eating lunch alone in the office, apparently think “the only reason to eat lunch alone is that you’re stuck up and hate your coworkers” and proceed to act like I’ve insulted them.
I get this so much. It doesn't help that I have the weird sperg "posh" accent and I'm an introvert. People project "stuck up" onto me without even speaking to me. Then when I don't want to talk to them because of their poor treatment it's conformation for them that I am stuck up. I can't win. All I want is to eat my lunch in peace but they have start so much drama and then blame me for it.

>Sometimes I feel like neurotypical people only appear to be more empathetic than autistic people because their perception of the world is considered the default.

Completely agree. Both can have deep empathy and both can lack empathy. The fact that autistics are likely to be bullied easily disproves that at neutrotypicals are all empathetic.

No. 1201795

how do people cope with rejection sensitive dysphoria. i don’t know how to do it and it’s starting to make me push away someone who i like. nonas what can i do, my brain is a hellscape

No. 1201798

>>1201539
Did you really come to a thread aimed at allowing autists to vent about neurotypicals to complain that autists are complaining about neurotypicals?

We’ve reached a new level of spergatory.

No. 1201799

>>1200945
i get like this specifically when i spill a drink or can't concentrate because of a loud or specific noise and i'm glad it's almost always in the comfort of my own home becauseit's so FUCKING EMBARRASSINGGGG

No. 1201814

is it rejection sensitive dysphoria for me to feel like an absolutely hated reply guy just because the last 3 friends/ mutuals i've replied to or DM'ed never responded or left me on read all in a row today (they could literally just be busy, or forgot, or they don't place a retarded high value on validation in the form of liking and replying on social media like i do) or am i just genuinely that unfunny, unlikable and unremarkable? and why does my broken brain always have to assume the worst like that? i'm not even that terminally online, so it sucks even more on days like these when i do log on and interact with people and get like nothing back. just makes me want to isolate even more. meanwhile these friends will never have any idea the hoops that i jump through for the most mundane shit, they literally probably jst have busier lives than my loser ass

and YES i copied and pasted my own post from a recent vent/ dumbass shit thread (literally already forgot which one it was even tho i just did it) because i am too lazy and incompetent to relay the same information when i know i already typed it out before lol

No. 1201817

I hope the person who makes the next thread picks something cute and informative next time. I'm very autistic about this current picture, sorry.

No. 1201820

>>1200775
I used to do this in highschool super hard. Idk why.

No. 1201840

I am not diagnosed but it's likely I have autism or some sort of paranoia issue. I feel like I have too much empathy yet none at all. I have learned empathy, so I act like I feel bad even if I do not feel bad about certain events or things. I'm really disconnected from people and everything feels like a weird game, I wish we could just say what we mean. I am way more connected to animals and feel a lot of empathy for them, but I feel like a lot of people are just inherently evil and are out to get me. They all make fun of each other, talk shit, and try to kill each other for little mistakes. It is anxiety inducing that if you don't speak or act a certain way, you're treated like a weirdo even if you genuinely are just trying to mirror everyone else and care about other people. I blend in well enough, but people think I'm an asshole and mean, even though I'm just trying to act normal. I am the complete opposite and don't want anyone to feel bad, so it's fucked up how they judge everyone so harshly. Sorry for rambling, just stressed out with living like this. Social interactions are like a game I can't understand, everything is so cryptic.

No. 1201843

>>1201840
>I have learned empathy
Me too, actually this ties into a question I have: I basically learnt to "be normal" and socialize but being out of college for a time now I see I have reverted to previous autistic behaivors except I'm not as bad as I used to be before I went to college. I learnt to socialize in college and submitted myself to thise "normie" things like parties and dancing and etc but I still didn't feel completely normal. Now I live as an hermit and I have cut contact with my normie friends and feel more "me" but still idk man idk. Anyways when I tried to get diagnosed as an adult they told me "learning" to be a normal person means you aren't autistic because autistic people simply don't learn and never change, they act always like that. I got an adhd diagnosis though. My question is idk is this true? kek

No. 1201844

>>1201843
No, you learned to mask.

No. 1201847

>>1201844
Even if I clearly did things like partying and socializing? I still felt uncomfortable in those but I submitted myself to it because I felt like I was ~so young and missing out~. I basically went all my highschool years basically friendless, alone, and staring at a wall but I normified myself in college and tried to speak to people always.

No. 1201890

I've always been afraid of getting a job, it's honestly not as awful as I expected, but then I'm only working half-time for now. I kinda feel bad for my boss, since we work pretty closely, but I feel like a "catfished" him in my interview. I can pretend to be a very competent normal woman and say whatever I think people want to hear in short bursts, so I totally sweeped him off his legs there, but now I can't keep up the same energy when I'm there 8 hours a day (not full-time though). I can feel that I underreact to a lot of things because I'm lost in my thoughts, don't know how to handle being praised and don't communicate that much. I don't really feel at home, I don't even work their facilities to store food or make coffee, even though on some days an afternoon coffee could really save me as I still just feel like some guest in the office. Sometimes I get lost in my work for the whole workday while they just hang around the office and take long lunch breaks, so I'm trying to make an effort to also let myself be distracted and not seem like a robot. I do work hard and efficiently at least so I get praised often, but I feel that's less important in office setting than being "liked".
I also have zero idea how to get to a good place in my career from here since my networking skills are close to zero, the only place I can do well is very formal and scripted settings, like a job interview.

No. 1201923

>>1201751
everyone keeps repeating that spergs lack a theory of mind but the research doesn't even support that conclusion, NTs can be just as bad, and depending on the test the spergs can do better than the NTs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6959478/?fbclid=IwAR3haLMuLBnd3ydoaYzBWXXrCZnTOwMkQsesyx7WJ5WO6IIMVRR6DpaddJA

As for the no empathy thing, many articles point out that spergs just seem to show empathy differently but obviously if it's not the reaction others are expecting it means we don't have empathy. But the way NTs show empathy always looks insincere to me so idgi. Apparently trying to be helpful or sharing that you had a similar experience is the wrong approach.

>Coworkers see me eating lunch alone in the office, apparently think “the only reason to eat lunch alone is that you’re stuck up and hate your coworkers” and proceed to act like I’ve insulted them.

I get that too

No. 1202037

>>1201036
>It would upset some of my teachers I think who thought I was making faces at them I guess but I was just daydreaming.
Anon, this happened to me so many times in school, you brought back so many memories for me just now

No. 1202088

>>1201539
that's how you imagine it in your black and white thinking autistic mind lmao. when i complain about neurotypicals it's because they bullied me for getting a headache and wanting to take a break. it is because nts bullied me for standing weird, having weird expressions, talking weird. making me feel like i should kill myself because my whole existence is wrong. everything i liked was shat on my whole childhood because i enthusiastically ranted about it. they are the reason i was depressed since age 7. i stopped interacting with people, then the teachers blamed me for being too quiet and withdrawn, which then my mother bullied me for not being a social butterfly (as if that would've worked for me). why is it such a sin to be weird and exist? i am a hard worker, i'm helpful, i don't pester people, i stopped ranting about my "special interests" long ago and don't even have them anymore. they're the reason i was reading DSM books at age 10 trying to find out why everybody hates me. i learned to abandon and mold myself into whatever neurotypicals wanted just to avoid getting physical and verbal abuse. simply because they didn't like my posture or voice. how's that worse from bullying someone until they are suicidal? being an adult now and realizing i was more mature than the norm is not superiority complex or some kind of ego flex. i understand normies are emotion based. i don't believe i'm superior, and i don't have to believe i am inferior. i am just as if not more useful in this day and age of capitalism than the neurotypical… and if they hated me so much for standing weird and whatever, they could have just excluded me instead of abusing me.
your comment is retarded, it's like saying a woman is misandrist because she doesn't like that men abuse and take away women's rights.

No. 1202101

>>1201814
yeah, it can feel like they are conspiring against us. i am not good at taking hints so i take any doubt as a no. how do i deal with it is start talking to a bunch of new people. i will react and reply on new people's stories (i genuinely liked or sparked a thought) until i can't see my left on reads in my messages anymore. if you are on a social media that boosts your posts based on interactions then you can try friend making pages and groups and joining a niche or hobby.

No. 1202109

>>1200162
Thank you. I've always been very confused about this.

>>1200195
I haven't gotten around to getting diagnosis yet but I just feel like I fit this definition far more than I do autism but idk what to do about it. Maybe when i get around to talking to a proper psychologist I will finally get some closure because I am so sick of feeling like an alien and feeling guilty about it.

No. 1202111

>>1201795
by being avoidant

No. 1202123

>>1202088
lmao you're literally emotional as fuck, autists just don't know how to process emotions of other people.

No. 1202215

>>1200169 i think sometimes it makes sense to group them, (ex. this thread) because there are common experiences between them (getting caught as a kid and put in SpEd and thus made an outcast, or going un-diagnosed and think it's your fault for struggling) and they both are developmental disorders that involve some amount of emotional disregulation, social issues, ect.. they aren't the same but i woudn't call them "opposites", but i've got both (well, a diagnosis for both from childhood, but i think it might just be autism-related problems in day to day life getting labelled adhd. but the meds still help so who knows.)
but, i definitely agree that them getting grouped is obnoxious a lot of the time.

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>>1201419
> can't be my "intense" self and must fake avoidance or else be abandoned

we are the same nona I feel it

No. 1202234

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Do any other autistanonnas suffer from PMDD or other premenstrual issues?

I saw this recently on le reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/PMDD/comments/uw6z42/just_gonna_put_this_here_92_of_autistic_women/
and a whole lot of the past 20 years of my sad sack life make sense now. I thought I was possessed by demons or something.

No. 1202242

>>1199924
different anon but I'm so sick of being looked at like a criminal every time I get my meds filled.

No. 1202254

>>1202234
I definitely do, despite meds I get suicidal before my period, vs other people I know who are just a little sad

No. 1202268

>>1201335
when i was younger i wasn't able to differentiate between sarcastic and genuine compliments. and even though i can now, keeping the same response has helped, at least for me. even if i can tell they are trying to be rude, just smiling and thanking them works, because then they either feel bad about trying to get a dig in at you or realize they arent going to be able to upset you that way.

>>1201344
i think it works sometimes. like if someone compliments something that i made myself, i tell them i made it and they usually think thats neat. i've had some nice conversations about crochet by doing that. i also think it would work if it was say, a piece of jewlery, and you said your partner got it for you. but not so much "i got it at this store" unless they ask.

>>1202234
>>1202254
yeah, me too. like fully suicidal once a month. i had no idea there was a corelation, that explains a lot.

No. 1202297

>>1202123
you should be put back in time to when you were a child and daily yelled at, tugged and swayed around, hit, kicked, punched, threatened, stolen from, humiliated and gaslighted. i would like to see how stoic and happy you are. if you express sadness i will call you pathetic. very normal and fair to experience for every children, right.

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>>1202228
sigh. it is lonely but we can at least romanticize it. the last time i showed my sensitive and passionate side to a non-spergy woman i got downgraded instantly. these days it's easier to play the unavailable, and keep my reputation up. swear it's like playing a different video game character for most situations when i try. the things we must do to survive.

No. 1202316

"Neurotypical" is such a stupid fucking word.

No. 1202330

>>1202316
what word are we supposed to use instead?

No. 1202333

>>1202316
seethe, normie
if you study hard enough you can maybe one day out earn the comp sci nerd autist! go normie, go

No. 1202349

>>1199337
No, I didn't have my parents involved despite being 50/50 if I was on the spectrum or not. I had my sister speak with the psychiatrist and did still receive an autism diagnosis because of her assessment and other patterns in my results and behavior fitting the diagnosis. If you are more socially inept or don't mask as well it should be less of a concern having them or not. The more unsure you are, the more you should seriously consider if involving them is an option. My parents don't believe in mental health treatment and care basically (I'm from an Asian family) so involving them was not an option for me.

No. 1202358

>>1202333
I've got ADD, retard. Even I'm allowed to have opinions.

No. 1202366

>>1202330
>>1202333
You know other autistic (or ADHD) women can disagree with you, right? I find the term neurotypical stupid and I wish "non-autistic" would be used, because the term neurodiverse is leading to focus on autism as a difference instead of a disability. We're social animals, it's a disability. It would hopefully cut down on the Tiktok larpers and the label becoming trendy.

>>1198614
For you and any other future thread creators; there are many accomplished autistic women you could have chosen for a thread pic like Temple Grandin or Helen Hoang!

>>1200775
I don't consider this sociopathic. Playing up expressions to communicate more smoothly with other people is not creepy. It's like speaking a different language than your native tongue for work; requires effort and is tiring for extra focus, and becomes a problem when you can't relax and go back to your own language after.

No. 1202427

Has anyone watched the show Love on the Spectrum? It's kind of cringe and I feel like most of the people are spergier than I expected, I guess I forgot many autists are not high functioning expert maskers. I kind of like Kaelynn because she's the only one I relate to, she comes off more weird than outright spergy. But then I remember I'm an autist and maybe she comes off super spergy to normies, which makes me feel bad about myself. Anyway thought it might be interesting to see how anyone else in this thread feels

No. 1202429

The threadpic is so ugly, gawd

No. 1202430

i've already posted in here but now i'm convinced i have autism…
i don't have symptoms like hyper sensitivity to sounds/textures and i don't have meltdowns but there's so much shit that just isn't normal and is a dead giveaway in women…
now what do i even do with this info? it doesn't make me feel any better…

No. 1202436

>>1202430
All you can really do is try to be more self aware and learn about what normies think and do so you can mask better. Or just accept that you are who you are

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>>1201539
I'll stop complaining about NT's when they stop trying to bully autists into committing suicide over the most inane fucking bullshit and act like we're aliens.
>>1201751
After my diagnosis (which was given to me against my will when I reported my father for physical abuse and neglect) I was told that autists don't want or need friends. That I can't have empathy. Basically that I'm the scum of the earth and the psychiatrist asked me literally why I hadn't committed suicide yet. Many of the applications for euthanasia are done by autists, but autists are so fucking horrible and shitty people and need to take up even less space and need to learn to hate themselves even more for daring to be born socially retarded, right? Even too fucking polite to just commit suicide, because someone would have to clean it up or be inconvenienced, so they're trying to do it through the official channels. Child protective services even use it as an excuse and get out of jail free card for parents who want to abuse their children. Even if you're just a mild case of aspergers, it's seen as justified to try to beat your kid to death. Where is all that supposed empathy NT's have? People also change their attitude the moment they find out I'm a sperg. They think I'm just a really good hard worker, who is very thorough, but a bit shy and reserved at times (even though I have no problem having small talk with strangers or doing presentations). The moment they find out I'm a sperg, they act like I'm a retarded baby, so I have to go stealth and just sit there and listen to them complain about coworkers who are spergier than me. Hearing them completely misinterpret and project shit onto them. If I try to carefully suggest that they might be wrong about their interpretation (without mentioning I'm a sperg too), they just look at me with big eyes, like I just told them I like to eat shit.
>>1201843
>>1201847
I've been told the same thing, that I practically pass as NT and "grew out of it", but internally the tism and resentment for being treated like shit is still there.

No. 1202466

>>1202427
Not watched that show but I do think the ambiguousness of “on the spectrum” is a problem. As a late diagnosis, I don’t feel like I really fit in with most autistic people, but I also know I don’t fit in with non-autistics either.

I wish “Aspergers” or “high functioning” or something else was still being used. Not knowing how well I will fit in with groups and activities aimed at people “on the spectrum” has really put me off seeking support at all. I don’t want to feel like I am faking and I feel like I have nothing in common with low functioning people, like it’s a completely different thing.

No. 1202478

>>1202430
same anon but i realize all of my friends are probably high-functioning autistic but with atypical symptoms. or maybe other issues give them autistic traits. they're mostly people who can be "the quirky one" in a group of normies. i can't believe it took me this long to see the truth lmao

>>1202466
i agree. what does a non-verbal adult who spergs out at any little sound have in common with a high-functioning autist anyway?

No. 1202515

>>1202478
Especially considering that a lot of Aspergers type autists often have a higher IQ than average and low functioning will have a lower IQ than average. What are they supposed to do together? I'm afraid that if I went to a general autism event I'd end up having to babysit a lower IQ person or be bored out my brains.

No. 1202525

i’m also late diagnosed, but while looking for an assessment i was coming across all these “signs of autism in women” tiktoks and the sudden large volume of women on the internet sharing their experiences of late diagnosis and it actually convinced me that I DIDN’T have autism because I wasn’t like any of them.

No. 1202555

>>1202525
What sort of things could you not relate to?

No. 1202629

>>1202123
being mature is not a question of having no emotions anon. i never bullied people even if they were cringe and i hated them. at my child age i already thought, if i don't like a bitch.. i can just do my best to avoid them.

No. 1202630

>>1202525
many symptoms of autism or adhd are almost the same as cptsd.

No. 1202748

>>1202629
you're so focused on "bullying". that's not a qualifier of maturity.

No. 1202934

>>1202427
>watch Love on The Spectrum
>''haha wow they're so retarded''
>tfw they're out there going on dates and socializing while i'm rotting away by myself
Guess I'm even retardeder

No. 1202951

>>1202934
Kek I know they're so unapologetically sperg. James really reminds me of Chris chan, and I'm pretty sure his dad is a sperg too

No. 1203263

>>1202748
you misunderstood again. she was explaining why she uses the word neurotypical when complaining about normies. because you assumed it's because she had a superiority complex, whereas it's because in her experience they were abusive.

No. 1203266

>>1202515
this is why i would not go. it would be a disability parade which is not relatable to me. it would be full of men too, who are notoriously bad at socializing to begin with, now add the autism. we are better off joining a hobby group.

No. 1203272

>>1202934
i died when that guy talked about anime, and was picky about dates because of it. then went on a date with two girls, and liked the more normie one, despite her and him having less in common. then he called the second girl on the phone and said he waited for the other's call.

No. 1203294

>>1203272
>then he called the second girl on the phone and said he waited for the other's call.
Even non-autistic men do this.

No. 1203297

>>1203266
It's pretty sad than Aspergers women don't fit in anywhere.

No. 1203303

>>1202123
>>1202748
t. neurotypical sadist

>>1202297
>>1203263
don't try to get through to a neurotypical sadist, she's not misunderstanding, she's just a little cruel psychopath

No. 1203315

>>1203303
>neurotypical
You mean non-retarded?

No. 1203353

>>1203303
This is why I (autist too) judge posts that talk about 'the neurotypicals' There's nearly always this ott victim complex attached or its accusatory (normies are cruel and out to get us) just generally unhinged. Scrolling back through the thread.. it's a pattern. You see the word neurotypical used and its guaranteed to be someone with almost male levels of autism. It's like a warning signal that the poster isn't just autistic but has chosen to lean in and become more retarded than even an autism diagnosis would explain.

I'm aware of where anons are probably picking up their language and their talking points from. It's just out of place on here.

No. 1203413

Recently my manager's entire family somehow got dx'd as "on the spectrum", and also I guess decided I have it too. Now HR/management is being REALLY nice to me which is making my coworkers hate my wierd ass even more then they already do. Idk what's next. Will I get some kind of backlash when they all diagnose themselves with something else? Will I get in trouble for making a typo becuse I'm supposed to have detail oriented autistic superpowers?

I know it's because I'm math brained and obviously not normal socially but these people have NO idea. I've been institutionalized and rediagnosed over and over since I was a little kid by people obsessed with identifying and labeling whatever was wrong with me. At this point I do not give a fuck why I'm like this and the omg this explains everything!!!11! reaction to diagnosis/self diagnosis makes my skin crawl and gives me an instant headache. If I went in to get another diagnosis in 2022 they 100% would smack me with ASD just based on my mental health history. Who does that benefit? It's not even treatable. Online pop mental health culture exists because facebook gets the adbux when they can profile you based on if you follow 25 accounts about living with OCD.

No. 1203432

>>1202427
>Watches first episode
>"wow Dani is good at masking even tho she's still a little bit over energetic"
>People think she's weird

It's so disheartening Nonnas. I don't have an official diagnosis but on top of a lot of signs I already display, a lot of the situations in the show are so painfully cringy but relatable. Even my friends once told me in the nicest way possible I'm "peculiar". It's sad to think that no matter how hard I try, I'll never truly blend in, and it's fucked up that people expect it in the first place.

No. 1203488

>>1203353
it's because you come from a privileged place where people are brought up to act civilized. in my poorfag native country bullying is the norm, so no, it is not good to be normal.

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>>1203303
she is definitely a sperg, being so focused on one word. but what did i expect when i came to rant (not expressing everything completely literally and with 0 emotion) in an autism thread. we should be using tone indicators here

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>>1203294
true, sadly.
a correction to add, i remember the girl called him, and i think he called the first one. it was so cringe worthy. damn, he should have been happy she gave him a chance. he went out of his way to call her the second option.

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>>1203353
>>1203488
with the highly competitive school system, lack of resources and prevalent alcoholism of my country, it is not rare that (male) teenagers beat a nerd to death, or for the girls to torment the weird and shy ones until they drop out or kill themselves. there are no rules for teenagers under 18, like they might go to juvie for criminal behaviour but only straight up provable attempted murder gets them a criminal record.
and trust me the bullying wasn't justified besides "that person looks weak and off-putting". autists, fat kids, very skinny ones, dark skin kids, shy ones, ugly ones, pimply ones, awkward ones all got the shit end of the stick. girls pulled out chunks of somebody's hair because she was "a gypsy", another girl got a brick thrown at her head by an adhd boy because she was small. yeah that boy beat smaller kids because "they went further away" when he pushed them. and the normie teachers just gave that girl with a bleeding head a tissue and told her to sit down.

No. 1203511

>>1200219
>you have to come with references from other people too
yeah, they want to merge friend groups? or are afraid that we might become clingy and "bring down" their value. i avoid talking about my day to day life, make up stuff, and just try to make it a positive and exciting hang out. go back to my private life for a while, come back out, do it again.

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>>1202748
Not liking bullying = immature? 70% of bullying in the workplace comes from managers and everyone gets to deal with that. Is the person who doesn't enjoy bullying immature, or is it the person who reached adulthood and decided that this manner of conduct in a professional environment is completely acceptable the immature one? Is it immature to not enjoy sexual harassment either or racial discrimination? Or do you first have to interrogate a woman about her neuroses and decide whether she deserves empathy or victim blaming based on that? Maybe you should personally contact judges and professors to tell them how you feel about caring about bullying, if you know it so much better than everyone else. Oh wait, I'm sure you can find more misogynists and racists with 0 empathy who agree with you, sadly enough.

No. 1203538

>>1203514
always embarrassing when adults bully. we all feel like shit at work sometimes yet most of us are able to keep it in.

No. 1203586

>>1203503
Wtf country is this? Italy?

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>>1202525
tbf the recent boom in "my life as an autistic woman" content would probably make me feel like I'm not like them if I watched it.
maybe not all of them are faking it but some of them still seem super alien to me and are often extremely performatively feminine and self-conscious, look and act normie, etc.
I don't know what I'm trying to communicate here but I don't think any online "autism content" is relatable for me

No. 1203592

>>1203589
i'm not super familiar with autistic tiktok content since it hasn't appeared on my fyp but given the most popular accounts have learned to emulate tiktok fashion trends, i can see how a lolcow dweller or a woman over the age of 25 would feel alienated. tiktok even encourages people to emulate gestures and speech so these women/girls learned to mask with entirely different social standards.
also it's pretty funny to see autists emulate tiktok gestures irl kek

No. 1203608

>>1203589
This girl is so annoying even seeing a still frame of her makes me seethe

No. 1203735

i am a bit autistic and i like spergy men because they can understand my intense interests and need for alone time. however i have been crushing on a guy who is mostly non verbal, and while he is very calming to be around, i can't be sure of him if he barely talks. he is not talkative through social media either so i'm not sure what i could do to make him open up more. can someone give me advice on this?

No. 1203754

I hate this stereotype that autistic people are all STEM geniuses or savants in one field. I've jumped around so many jobs throughout my life due to bullying and being unable to mask long term around normie coworkers. For me a job is just another paycheck until I burn out and find another job. This confuses NTs who say I should be more aspirational and try to get more degrees or find my true "passion". I learned I need to have a safe environment where I won't be targeted. It sucks because I am smart but I haven't found a job where I can be judged on my merit and not how well I perform in office politics

No. 1203757

>>1202525
I'm not on tiktok but lately stuff like that is popping up more on insta. If I were to base my view of female tism on what I've seen there.. we should all be ABDLers living amongst hoards of toys and cushions and stimmy toys. Makes me want to keep my diagnosis very close to my chest.

I have a job and a mortgage and apart from the lack of a social life I'm not that odd

No. 1203761

>>1202430
>now what do i even do with this info?
If meltdowns are your big issue the good thing about diagnosis is you have context clues about how to prevent them.
Learning about executive function was a game changer for me.
I used to think my meltdowns were random and everything became just too much in a split second. But now I know there are little warning signs that one is coming on. Like if I have to force myself to shower in the morning or I skip my shower, if my memory gets worse, etc. It's a sign something is weighing on me and my executive function is deteriorating. Sometimes it's hormones so I just wait it out, other times it's sleep deprivation or a stressful thing I've been avoiding weighing on me.
Self care isn't a meme it's genuinely as important as medication. If you address small stresses you can prevent a full on meltdown.
Another positive part of this self awareness is knowing some things don't fit you and never will. Like I wasted so much money on gym memberships. Only after diagnosis did I realise that gyms are hell for me from a sensory perspective, so I commited to buying workout equipment for home instead of just trying to be disciplined and go to gym like everyone else.

No. 1203797

>>1203735
Why does he need to open up? He seems happy that way. No need to change him.

No. 1203830

>>1203797
because how else would i know if i actually like him and not just what i assume he is like based on how we vibe

No. 1203833

>>1203830
You obviously already don't like "what he's like" because what he's like is silent.

No. 1203839

>>1203833
huh? no, i like it, that's partly why he is so chill. but also, what could he be hiding, you know?

No. 1203844

>>1203839
nayrt but i get what you mean, anon. actively trying to get him to open up could make him overwhelmed though. maybe you can be careful with the way you approach this and hope he opens up more as time passes.

No. 1203846

>>1203589

it’s so weird. i feel like its also just very surface level stuff? like they never bring up any of the possible symptoms that would actually be considered ”disabled”. reminds me of the whole tumblr depression era

No. 1203863

>>1203761
nta but this is a very helpful and well written post, thank you. It made me realize I have some of those warning signs too but was ignoring them.

No. 1203948

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Do neurotypical people often seem arbitrary and amoral to anyone else?

No. 1203966

>>1203948
Yes, being very honest and following rules strictly is an autism trait.

I find it pretty irritating how non-autistics complain about people cheating or whatever and then go and do it themselves in another situation. It's like they are unable to see the big picture that things get ruined because everyone behaves the way they do (tragedy of the commons).

No. 1203977

>>1203592
I’m not a zoomer and have never used tiktok, what on earth are tiktok gestures?

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>>1203977
this shit, among others.

No. 1204007

>>1203863
Aw, I'm glad it helped anon ♥

No. 1204035

>>1203754
You should think twice about a STEM career. I didn't choose engineering because of autism, but I'm really happy I went down that path because I work alone most of the time, I've gotten noticed for my work and not office politics, and most of my coworkers aren't really normies themselves. I'd be alot worse off if I had to work in a normietypical setting, especially one full of women. Engineering requires a degree but maybe you can sit down and try to learn some coding? Yes this is the most annoying advice ever but you really should consider it

No. 1204083

>>1204035
NTA, but I don't really get the "just learn to code" advice most of the time, because I feel sitting down and learning a programing language won't really get me far when it comes to actually getting a job. Also I've heard that the IT sector itself is getting fucked by human management systems (daily check-ins, standups, etc.) and requirements of "soft skills" and such.

No. 1204103

>>1204083
After you learn a language you should create a project and then put it on your resume, and then apply to a lot of companies. The first job probably won't be great but once you get a job you can hop to a better job after a year. You could also get some certificates, do a boot camp or get a bachelors but that all costs money. There may be resources online for helping people break into CS especially if you're a woman, lgbt or not white/asian. Idk it's alot of time and effort but others have broken into CS from irrelevant fields so it's possible.

As to the second point, those things really aren't a big deal, I do them at work and it's fine. The soft skills thing is just that companies want to hire people who aren't unpleasant to be around and can work with others, since CS can attract people that are smart but have assholish personalities. Just be nice to your coworkers, pretend to be positive and do what you're told and you'll be fine

No. 1204278

>>1204035
I tried that many times, even had a coming job at one point and it was horrible. learning coding is not for everyone and it takes so much time of persistent study to be viable.

No. 1204289

>>1204278
Learn coding is a meme.

No. 1204370

>>1204289
Just because it's not for everyone doesn't make it a meme. Look, aspies will always get pushed out of normie environments unless they either mask constantly until they're too burnt out to work, or they enter an environment that actually values skills over how fun you are to talk to. Or you could make your own business. None of these paths are easy. At least in CS if you grind your way into that first job, in a couple years you can be working from home making 6 figures without being overworked

No. 1204376

>>1204370
You're right, it can be good for some people. I meant more how it is given as blanket advice to everyone without considering that person's individual strengths and weaknesses.

No. 1204391

>>1204376
There’s also audio transcription, admin level work, and accounting work from home style jobs with limited social. Just to throw it out there while I’m scrolling.

No. 1205316

>>1203948
Yes, very much so. Reminds me of the quote "if you have morals and you do not follow them, then you do not have morals"

No. 1205379

Yo Samdy Sam's videos helped me a lot in identifying signs, but it's sad to see her being a handmaiden for troons here. I agree that women can absolutely relate to male autism more than how it occurs in females, and it's not always so black and white. But to imply that MTF troons experience female autism symptoms is so wrong. They're as male brained autistic as they come.

No. 1205389

>>1205379
They're literally trans because of their male autistic brain kek.

No. 1205399

>>1205379
There's an interesting discussion to be had about autism and transness in regards to women.. and this isn't it. How about asking why troon rates are so high in tists compared to others? The amount of autistic women who feel like NBs is nuts.

I'm a not very feminine and I was only diagnosed at like 30. Before that I've had moments where I almost fell into the thinking trap of 'I don't fit in with girls so I must not be one' I think that's why rates are so stupidly high with us. That feeling of not fitting in (from tism) gets blown into something else that's much bigger than it needs to be. But nobody wants to say that because it's not very 'validating' to acknowledge when people are just socially struggling and confused.

Male tranny tists are just perverts tho with a hint of social confusion thrown in.

No. 1205407

>>1205389
I wonder about TIM/MTF autism a lot honestly, it seems contradictory to me. Going off stereotypes you'd think that the super logical brain wouldn't buy into the pseudospiritual explanation of gender nowadays or that feelings=actual being a woman. I will see cold as ice programmers who have no room for nuance in most things falling for this stuff. You'd think they would look at chromosomes, look at the differences in male and female biology, and think about their lack of early childhood feminine behaviors, and take that to heart instead of joining the make-believe gender cult.
I guess it's all overrode by them taking fetishes too far, or the black and white thinking that euphoric fetish feelings of being a woman equals actually being one. Let's not forget their shit understanding at aesthetics and think that long hair=girl, boobs=girl, feminine clothes=girl, but that facial and body proportions mean absolutely nothing.

No. 1205422

>>1205407
That's because people fall for the rainman autism-is-a-superpower meme. Autists aren't logical, they have black and white thinking patterns

No. 1205430

>>1205422
Logical thinking doesn't necessarily equate to the rainman stereotypes though. In fact isn't the rainman stereotype low intelligence but being insanely good at just one thing? I'm talking more about being a thinker than a feeler, relying more on facts than feelings. Even with black and white thinking patterns you'd think they'd look at something like chromosomes and think XY= male, XX= female, no exceptions.

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>>1205430
>I'm talking more about being a thinker than a feeler, relying more on facts than feelings.
Problem is most men who think they're "facts over feelings" aren't actually logical, they just accept their subjective feelings as 'factual logic' and run with it. I think the autistic MTF thought process is something like:
>Women are XX
>I feel like a woman inside even though I'm XY
>I am Factual and Logical ergo it must be possible to be factually and logically an XY woman

Then they work backwards from their "I'm a real woman" conclusion to find facts that support it, just like a typical annoying contrarian nerd. WELL ACKSHYTULY cuttlefish can change sex so biological sex doesn't real. WELL ACTLKLY the dictionary was written by humans so all words are technically social constructs. WELL ACUTELY a penis and clits are both merely random clumps of cells we have socially assigned meaning to therefore I just have a big clitty. WELL ACKTULU the world doesn't literally leap anywhere so there's no such thing as a leap year.

AGPs have the exact same personality type as the autist I went to high school with who would interrupt every teacher at least once per class with some stupid WELL ACTUALLY technicality.

No. 1205505

>>1205468
Kek that's a good example nonna, I see your point. I guess that goes back to my "if I grow out my hair, wear anime clothes, and get bolt-ons then I'm a woman" example too in how they just use it as a major cope while ignoring everything else.

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No. 1212316

>>1211524
Nta but this makes sense to me. I feel like whenever I do something selfish, it's not a deliberate choice and more like it doesn't occur to me to consider another viewpoint or I didn't understand the situation properly.

When I do consider all viewpoints, I am extra generous and try to see the good in all people. Unfortunately this means being repeatedly taken advantage of, to the point that I now avoid all other people.

I don't understand why neurotypical people cheat and lie to get ahead. Surely they must know that their "success" is fake and it wouldn't feel as good? Plus the people they screwed over to get there weighing in their conscience, preventing them from enjoying it. Except I guess that's what separates us. Neurotypicals don't feel this, or not as much anyway.

It's kind of sad to think that the people who are held highest in our societies are the ones who are the best at playing the game.

No. 1212328

>>1205468
I dont know if this is a real tweet or not but Neil degree tyson is the most annoying fucking moid to me.

No. 1212407

Any other spergs get accused of being on drugs? I've been asked many times if I'm high or if I've taken anything. Got told I "look lost". And when doctors ask me about drug use and I say none, twice they've gone "are you sure?"

No. 1212409

>>1212407
Also I've been told I have a stoner personality but I've never smoked weed. Maybe it's because I don't react much on the outside or act as lively as people want to?

No. 1212434

A bit depressing but it's been at least a year and a half that I have been thinking about what I shall do if I can't get a stable job. I have asperger and it's been 2 year that I am in university studying what I love but it only has shown how inadapted to society I am. I had to re do my first year and I'm exautsed by even the simplest day of school.
My brain is so rotten and miserable that I might have to choose assisted living if I can't find a job I can keep that don't burn me out. It seem more simple to me with my shit mental health that never got really better. I probably will have to do art like artist in mental facility such as Kusama Yayoi to be able to pay the rent. Idk if I'm the only one but it's a thing I think about a lot.

No. 1212450

>>1212407
yes! i have been asked if im high multiple times, sometimes as a joke(?). my mom said it might be because when im not actively trying to show emotions in a socially acceptable way in my face, i apparently look very spaced out and confused. i also am bad with eye contact so maybe that is a part of it. i think part of it is if you are not expressive with your facial gestures.

No. 1212624

I’m the artist who made the op drawing, I am sorry, I am an autistic girl and the creator asked me to draw ashbie but now I’m really not starting to like the character anymore due to how the creator has acted with the cospalayer I’m sorry I didn’t mean to make people angry I will not draw her anymore she is just a fetishised autistic girl for sick men to enjoy and consume and I regret it all I’m sick of it and how people treat autism in girls

No. 1212636

>>1212624
No need to apologize nona it's not your fault that men are gross, it's a nice drawing. The character is cute it's just that men ruin it by sexualizing the innocent/childish part of her persona.

No. 1212641

>>1212450
>i apparently look very spaced out and confused
I see this look in some aspies. I don't understand how/why that "look".. develops? Sometimes I'll be in public and suddenly realize oh god I'm holding a weird facial expression right now. Or like..fuck, I'm holding my eyes up really wide.

When you appear confused, do you FEEL confused yourself?

No. 1212700

>>1212641
yeah i notice my eyes tend to go very "wide" as well. honestly, i do feel confused a lot but even if i dont i think that expression comes to my face without me noticing. if im in a social setting i tend to try to force my face to be more neutral and fake certain facial gestures because i dont want to appear like a weirdo

No. 1212743

>>1212407
me too. somebody in my class told me i had a "resting high face". i dont think he was trying to be really mean because he said that he has the same. but idk i felt bad, i dont want people thinking i do drugs or the type to do so.

No. 1213693

Anyone catch the new Young Justice Episode, so they depicted a character whose whole thing was that he had massive rage issues, cause he was the son of Darkseid(a death godking) and in YJ they had that be allegory for having autism/being mentally ill, I don’t about you all but I don't appreciate autism being compared to “a darkness that must be controlled” or in any way equivocated to evil.
like one of the main characters gives a whole speech that just stank of some of the worst neaurotypical false ally BS.

Whoever on YJ wrote that should feel ashamed

No. 1213698

>>1213693
for anyone thinking that I'm just reaching, I swear to you I'm not, this season is supposed to be about "real issues" in the world and they had a character dealing with her autistic child in the beginning of the episode

No. 1213788

>>1212624
Anon I'm sorry for not contacting you first to use it. I personally think your art is cute and the hate towards it was just because of outrage of the subject matter. I hope the comments didn't bring you down. Again it's not your fault that people fetishize her

No. 1213835

>>1212700
I remember getting called "owl eyes" when I was younger and people would always just tell me I looked scared when I wasn't. And one time some scrote told me I looked like I just found out my dog died

No. 1213887

>>1213698
Not an autist but damn, is that what it’s really like?

No. 1214060

>>1213693
wtf they literally shove a lighted box in his face to try to calm him down? like those parents who raise their kids on tablets instead of learning how to actually soothe their children?
>>1213698
okay i'm halfway in to this one and she barely even looked for the hat? Why didn't she just ask her kid to find it? He clearly knows where things are supposed to go so he probably remembers where his own hat is. And she's feeding him cookies to distract him from distress over his hat, is this what "autism parents" do nowadays? Please tell me this isn't standard, anons. That poor child doesn't even exist and I already feel bad for him.
You're right. Whoever wrote this should be ashamed.

No. 1214226

>>1214060
you think that's bad, the worst part is the faux-motivational speech the writers had to to include, probably just to pat themselves on the back about how great allies they are, about how mentally people are so brave and strong for fighting our "inner darkness" everyday, also out of the all characters to depict as autistic coded, did they have to choose the guy whose the literal son of chaos incarnate and struggles with his inner desire to go on a rampage and fight and kill everybody

No. 1214252

>>1214226
Well that's enough cringe for the morning, wowiee me. It's like they don't know that autistic people are more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators. Oh wait, they might actually not know that damn.

No. 1214294

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>>1214252
>>1214226
>>1213693
tbf autistic people(its mostly men) like this do exist, they are super rare, likely about 1% of autistic men I'd say but they exist, I know two IRL, one is my cousin and the other is friend of a friend
both are autistic men who are very buff and try to deal with life by trying put on a stoic emotionless front, but when they lose control it can be frightening, my cousin has never hurt anybody but when he loses control he starts biting his shirt and just runs away and starts punching brick walls and trees and he's 6'2 and a very physically capable man, he can rip tree bark with his bare hands and break bricks, he only returns to normal when he tires him self out and his rage dies down, it can be scary but again these types of autistic men are rare

picrel is not my cousin but he is autistic Dragon Ball Z youtuber who gets into a lot of arguments online about who can goku could beat in a fight

No. 1214358

>>1214294
perfect bf

No. 1214397

>>1214358
are you talking about my cousin or the autistic dragon ball z yotuber in the pic, cause this is him, I only watch cause his rants are entertaining

No. 1214399

>>1214397
he's just like me

No. 1214406

>>1214399
well seththeprogrammer is pretty well known in shonen fandom spaces for he genuine autism over "who would win" scenarios

No. 1214435

>>1214294
I think I'm the female version of that type of 'tism.

No. 1214457

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I want to make progress on my project but I'm at my limit for learning new things today, I CANNOT watch any more video tutorials but since I'm hyperfocused on the project and I feel stuck and blocked I can't relax and do any other hobbies so I just have to sit here and vibrate AHHHHHHHHHH

No. 1214782

>>1213693
>>1213698
more shows should expose the reality of caring for a autistic child i.e. it's fucking terrible, and ultimately a waste of time

No. 1219148

Autism nonnies, do any of you feel really hopeless about gender/trans stuff? Most of my fellow autismos seem to be drinking the gender koolaid, and because of my own 'tism I feel like I just can't lie about my own acceptance of it. It would be so much easier if I could just pretend to be okay with enby and trans people, but I am a terrible liar and I hate faking enthusiasm or interest in things I dislike. Additionally, all the pronoun stuff confuses me on a regular basis. I'm terrible at remembering people's names let alone what flavor of pronoun they want to use for the week.

I feel hopeless because I know I'm not going to be able to pretend to care about gender stuff or pronouns and I'm going to ostracize myself from communities I'm in by accident. Is anyone else in my same boat? Or can you pretend better than me? kek

No. 1219529

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i always told myself i wasn't autistic because I didn't handflap but now I realize that chewing my pens until they're unusable and biting my nails all the time is probably a stim. now I'm a little better at keeping pens and I did have a period of my life where I didn't bite my nails but now they're little nubs again lmao

No. 1219536

>>1219529
STARING AT OBJECTS makes you autistic now?

No. 1219546


No. 1219563

>>1219536
yeah that one's weird. who's out there staring at objects so hard it's a stim?

No. 1219597

I always hear about a lot of people on the spectrum being labelled as gifted from a young age but was anyone else labelled as stupid?

I have abusive parents and went to a bottom tier school. I never spoke and so was put in the bottom group for everything at school, basically ignored by teachers as I was well behaved (terrified of doing anything wrong). I did gradually move up the top groups for everything at the end of primary school, was about ~5 in year in high school, plus accepted to Mensa (had to do the whole application process myself) so I know I’m not stupid.

However, like many gifted or neurodiverse people, I did badly in my exams and ended up going to a terrible university too, forced by my parents to study something that they thought had good job opportunities, instead of something I cared about.

It’s only in the last few years that I’ve been able to live in a stress free environment and I’ve found that I’m able to learn nearly everything pretty quickly and without much effort when I’m able to choose the learning style. I’ve done some distance university courses and received top marks in everything. I finally got a diagnosis too after recognising the symptoms and pursuing it myself.

Now I can’t help but be resentful of other people who had supportive parents, a good school, extracurricular activity opportunities, early diagnosis, good learning environments, etc. I know I’m still reasonably young and can study as a mature student but I can’t get back all the wasted years, remove all the unhappy memories from my head, erase past failures, nor remove the deep-set feeling that I’m “stupid”.

Did anyone else go through anything similar?

No. 1219789

>>1219597
Same anon. I did some reading and I think I probably qualify as "gifted but learning disabled". Being mute, overlooked, socially awkward but masking, and a bit spacey at school and then having uninterested parents at home is likely why no one noticed. Doing badly in exams probably confirmed what everyone thought.

On the flip side, after reading about gifted children who were recognized, it seems like a lot of them burn out, suffer depression, and don't end up achieving much. The label of being "gifted" seems to do a lot of harm, especially when they come up against other smart people. They also seem to struggle outside of school as they need to motivate themselves.

I guess I'm lucky that I never had that. I'm also fortunate that I have full control over what and how I learn now, as well as plenty of motivation, so I doubt I will crash and burn.

No. 1219847

>>1219597
Sorta kinda? Except I always did ok in school. But after my emotional issues and suspected tism came to surface in late elementary school I got put into special education, so I got bullied for being an alleged retard even though I had no intellectual disability and was in normal classes with no difficulty leading up to it. I was average to high average on the IQ tests I had to take then but I certainly wasn't MENSA level. I also just kept my head down and did my work like a drone, didn't wanna do anything wrong, but never really put out extra energy. So I came out of high school as an A/B+ student, but didn't bother with extracurriculars, AP classes, college dick-sucking, and didn't attend right away due to lack of confidence and burnout.

Funny thing too is after all these years, kids I graduated with still thought I was a tard. You know, despite being in mainstream classes, not needing a help helper, and knowing stuff. The just looked at the short-lived special ed saga in elementary school plus my social awkwardness and thought I was a dumb-dumb. Special ed is a scarlet letter you cannot erase, even if your learning is fine. I developed a major inferiority complex thanks to it so I always get really defensive if I perceive others as treating me like a tard or have breakdowns if I can't get something right away, because I'll think it was proof I actually was.

No. 1219908

>>1219847
>I always get really defensive if I perceive others as treating me like a tard or have breakdowns if I can't get something right away, because I'll think it was proof I actually was.
I can definitely relate to this. Sometimes I overlook visual things that are obvious to others or I read a different meaning into instructions and I often find people treat me like I'm a complete idiot because of it. I really have to control myself so I don't have a meltdown. I also find it frustrating too when I can't pick up something straight away. I guess the feeling of being "stupid" never completely goes away.

No. 1220922

i dont know if I have asperger or am otherwise high functioning. theres definitely something wrong about me and i wish i had a word for it first time in my life

No. 1224475

As an aspie I absolutely despise when I’m scrolling through social media and I see some dumbass post about autism pop up. And it’s always the “oh I’m so special and cool I hate neurotypicals so much” types of posts. Like 1) pls stop reminding me I have autism. 2) you’re not special or cool and this is a dumb post. Like one time I saw a post that was like “being too honest with people is not rude!!!!1!” (Exact wording) Like I get that some autistic people have a hard time with stuff like that but if you think of it that way, you’re not even trying. It’s probably the same tards who cry about someone looking at them wrong and get offended over every little fucking thing. If I replied “this is a bad take” they’d definitely piss their pants. Hypocrites. I like this site because most of the autists on here arent like that.

No. 1224486

>>1219789
Are you medically mute or selectively mute? Selective mute here. I just wanted to say that its nice to see you.

Most sel mute people I see online are younger kids who just don't talk as much if their friends are absent and that's just not the same.

No. 1224503

>>1224486
NTA but I’m an autist who’s selective mute. It’s the most isolating shit ever.

No. 1224556

>>1224503
Nice to meet you. it is really isolating. I tried learning ASL for a while but I'm not deaf so I'm not comfortable treading there. Writing things down isn't conducive.

To be honest, pic rel made me feel a bit better about being selectively mute (in my 30s and have been since a kid for ref) but communication isn't my strong suit and i didnt feel listened to, among other things so I just decided to…stop talking.

I hope that it's a little less isolating for you if that isn't an empty hope.

Downside is that the sound of myself talking at length gives me a headache.

blog post but, I hope you're well. Take care.

No. 1224563

>>1224556
Can't seem to post a pic. Tried to post Link from botw/loz series

No. 1224566

>>1224556
I learned basic ASL, but even knowing it no one else ever cares enough to learn or use it either. They’d prefer you to talk and if not I guess you’re seen as difficult.
I get the feeling of not being listened too. I used to stutter when upset or uncomfortable and get very record scratchy like my brain would get stuck. People got more upset and forcing myself to talk never made the situation better and always led to me burning out so I just sort of stopped? And now I can’t.
I hope you’re doing well too anon.

No. 1224579

>>1224566
I understand that really well..I would just start repeating myself of my thoughts would get stuck like you described and be unable to make any new thoughts. The more others became upset with me the worse it got.

I sympathize with the ASL too. one person tried to learn it with me but they gave up soon after. I don't blame them, but there's no point knowing if not for communicating.

I wish you a lot of luck. People are really misunderstanding about things like this.

No. 1224721

>>1219529
The image reeks of social media bs and is a massive oversimplification. It's true that a lot of autist don't realize they're stimming, but these kinds of posts makes it seem like any normie quirk is actually a form of autistic stimming. The best way to think about it imo is "would a lowest-functioning autist do this to express happiness or relieve stress". Would they jump around and flap their hands, uncontrollably, because they're happy - then yes that sounds like stimming. Would they rock on the floor to calm down - yes that wounds like stimming. Would they play the new catchy Ariana Grande song on repeat while doing homework for a few hours - no that's normie shit that half the population does.

I strongly oppose any kind of self-stimulation being rebranded as (autistic) stimming. Every person on earth self-stimulates in some way. It does nothing but remove understanding of autists. People on tiktok seriously think autists can try out stims or switch them around or try little stim toys to stim with.

No. 1224764

>>1224486
I was selectively mute. I’m not like that anymore though.

No. 1224821

i started going to a psychologist affiliated with my university a while ago for an unrelated issue, but during our second conversation he said that he thinks i might have autism. i basically had a meltdown about it, since i had never thought of myself in that way, i always just thought i was retarded and people didn't like me. i also thought that social interaction was equally hard for everyone but some people had just learned how to deal with it better in some way and i was retarded for just not getting it and getting overly stressed out.

i can't get an official diagnosis from this psychologist, does anyone here recommend getting a diagnosis? is it useful in any way?

No. 1224842

>>1224821
It's been helpful for me, my job is legally required to make adjustments for me if I need it since it's a disability (I don't need that much though). I think if you don't have one it makes people uncomfortable when you're suddenly acting weird or rude for no reason, but if they know about your diagnosis it's like "oh she's just doing an autism thing again". You don't have to disclose it to people though, but when there's a situation where it's useful (like my job) it's better to have one.

No. 1224859

>>1224821
>people didn't like me
it's useful for this since we can often be victims of bullying just for being a bit weird

>he said that he thinks i might have autism

>i basically had a meltdown
sorry but this made me lol

No. 1224923

>>1224475
Same nonnie. It's always "late diagnosed" or self-identifying normies who do this too. I think they're overcompensating because they clearly don't have autism or it's barely perceptible. They always parrot the same basic stereotypes (which are based on men) and act like those are the defining traits of autism and no autistic people deviate from them.

No. 1225248

is it possible to be in psychiatry on and off for over a decade and have undiagnosed autism? i’ve been seeing therapists for a long time so i’ve wondered if i have practically every mental disorder at some point, but i have a feeling i might be autistic. i have always felt like i’m different than everyone i meet in some way, but that could be because of my background and untraditional family. i’ve also been diagnosed with anxiety, depression, adhd, pstd, rad, mdd with mixed features, and probably something else that i’m forgetting. i also think that my early childhood trauma could be the sole reason i am the way i am, although i probably inherited some kind of disorder from one of my parents. i’m kinda agoraphobic and have a fear of being rejected/humiliated by others, but i’m good at pretending like social interactions are easy for me, and sometimes they are. i obsess over things like bands, characters, tv shows and sometimes the hyper fixation lasts for a while, but i always end up mostly getting over it and finding something else to think about all the time. i have trouble making and keeping friends, but i was neglected when i was really young so that could be the cause. i’m pretty quiet, my mood changes constantly throughout the day, and i have outbursts of anger occasionally (usually only when i’m alone). plus the only social medias i use these days are tumblr and lolcow lol. i’m not asking for a diagnosis, i am just confused as to why no psychiatrist or therapist has ever considered that i could have asd. like, maybe i do have asperger’s and i’m just really good at masking? might i benefit from getting tested?

No. 1225299

>>1219597
>was anyone else labelled as stupid?
At the start, yeah, I was thought of as slow and always coming in behind everyone on things and was not able to get along with others. Eventually I got the hang of doing things the way it was expected and then my grades and stuff improved from there until they were passable and then good. It was largely like idk the procedure of it all I struggled with more than the actual coursework but my earliest teachers definitely just interpreted it as me being dumb and slow.

No. 1225327

>>1225248
>is it possible to be in psychiatry on and off for over a decade and have undiagnosed autism? i’ve been seeing therapists for a long time
Have you seen an actual psychiatrist who is experienced in diagnosing autism women? If not, then it's very possible that whoever you have seen might not have realized it.

>i’ve also been diagnosed with anxiety, depression, adhd, pstd, rad, mdd with mixed features, and probably something else that i’m forgetting.

It's common for autistic women to be diagnosed with other things first, especially depression.

From what you've said, I think it's worth seeking an assessment.

No. 1225660

I'm very sad because whenever I share interests with others, I am always the one who's too into it. I don't blame anyone for this at all, and I've learned very well not to go on excited spergs about things. it's not about showing off facts though, I just love things a lot and I want to learn what others love too. I love to just listen, too.

Unfortunately one of my biggest interests is old games and talking to males who are as into games as I am is not…enjoyable. If they were chill and just passionately loved a series (not shipping or Fandom just cool facts, behind the scenes/developmental things, file dump related info, etc)instead of trying to out-fan everyone else it would actually be OK. But even those just don't care that much about the things.

A lot of the series are male targeted so it's also not that. I just love certain things so much yet hate sperging at relatively uninterested or interested but just-listening friends because I don't want to trap them with it or seem like showing off.

I can and do enjoy these things by myself, but in the most friendly, benign, and opposite to the usual meaning way– I just want someone on my same level.

I feel so stupid sometimes.

No. 1225701

Has anyone developed a fear or hatred of the mentally challenged from being lumped into them due to autism? Or the fear and disdain for male autists? I know it's bad of me but I cannot stand being around the severely mentally disabled. I feel bad and they didn't choose the way they are, much like myself, but I probably have internalized hatred just from being considered a retard my whole life

No. 1225716

>>1225660
be my friend, nonna

No. 1226148

>>1225660
Someone needs to make an app for connecting people who want to sperg about the same thing.

No. 1226150

>>1225701
Kind of. I’m late diagnosed so I’ve always considered autistic and disabled people as “other” because society does. I guess some sort of internalized ablism. Not that I say anything like this or dislike them, it’s more of a gut instinct. Even people who are slightly awkward when I can tell it’s probably autism.

It’s weird recognizing these things in other people and I can tell when I do something similar by the other person’s reaction but I’m not able to tell in advance that I’m about to do something weird. It’s like I can only learn what is weird or not from see other people’s reactions and remembering them for next time a similar situation comes up. Of course I probably miss lots of smaller reactions or hints.

Despite that, my brain is used to being classed as “normal” so doesn’t really sympathize with others on the spectrum or disabled who do the same things.

No. 1226430

>>1225716
I would like to be your friend

No. 1226446

>>1219529
I’m diagnosed and definitely autistic. I stim in a lot of ways. I self stimulate with music, but it’s not like wooo this song is amazing.
It’s if I listen to anything that is not this song on repeat for the next several hours. My brain is going to be overwhelmed by audio cues and I’m going to melt down. I need the same beat, rhythm and words. It’s even worse when I can’t figure out which song will help me physical stim and start soothing, but from explaining it’s probably a poor coping strategy to cause stimming when I get overwhelmed and can’t unmask. Then a general stim, maybe it’s something I’ll bring up in discussion offline.
>>1225660
I want to be your friend too anon. You seem cool.

No. 1226451

>>1226446
I do the music thing too. I can't help but wonder if I used to present more externally with flappy stims and loud meltdowns but was beaten into being more internal as a child. All my meltdowns these days are internal or I have shutdowns.

Song related is one of my favorite stim songs, though not a normal favorite of mine, if that makes sense. Something about the beat at the start is very ordered and calming.

No. 1226576

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Anyone other autistics turn to drugs or alcohol when they fuck up socially? I get high as shit and my autistic friend gets drunk by herself. It's so overwhelming making social mistakes all the time. Not small ones either but extremely awkward stuff. I get so overwhelmed and anxious I can't handle it. About to get high right now. I said something incredibly embarrassing and dumb and feel like stabbing myself in the stomach. I never learn from the mistakes, they just happen over and over. I wish I wasn't aware of how retarded I am. I watched Of Herbs and Altars' recent video and I think she mentioned it's common.

No. 1226582

>>1225701
I used to back in school, but swung hard the other way as an adult. There used to be more noticeable difference between me and other sped kids because my developmental delays weren't obvious enough to be diagnosed until mid-primary school. And so many of them had the same voice, this sort of weird rasp that only severely mentally disabled people seem to have? So many of the "challenged" kids at my school had that voice and I hated the sound of it. Still do.

Now I like people better when they're obviously a little slow compared to the same person without any developmental disabilities. The older I get, the more my own delays stack and the wider the gulf gets between me and "normal" people. And I still have that annoying sunny sped energy that is endearing to the normies in small doses, but not usually something they want long-term.

Not really afraid or distrustful of male autists, though. I just bully them if they don't act decent and that seems to work well enough in my personal life. But the male autists in my friend group are able to mask better than I am so I'm seen as a benchmark for acceptable behavior.

No. 1226585

>>1226576
It’s RSD. Rejection sensitive dysphoria Noni and yes I have it. Yes sometimes I take stuff to mellow.
>>1226451
I think you might be on to something. I was abused into melt downs and then taunted over them furthering the abuse for reacting, so I had to learn to not. Now I shut down or desperately escape the situation and melt down by myself. I’ll give this song a listen. I really like opium by Emile Simon. If I’m doing really poorly. It’s very gentle and I can almost hide in the rhythm

No. 1226588

>>1226576
Dumb question nonna, but does weed and getting high beforehand help your social interaction at all? I can speak verbally after weed and a lot of other people I've talked to have an easier time socializing while high.

No. 1226597

>>1226588
Yes. Part of our issue is too much of a specific chemical. I forget which, but weed specifically slows the production so in normies it makes them really dumb, but in small doses in autismos like us it can actually help correct the over production.

No. 1226607

>>1226597
Oh my goodness you beautiful nonnie you have answered something I have been wondering for years, thank you.

No. 1226636

>>1226588
Once in a while but I try to save it for AFTER I fuck up. It's nice that weed helps you. For socializing i use Adderall because it kinda forces the words out of my mouth. Like I have to talk. Sometimes I feel like the severe stress, anxiety, muscle tension and stuff is worse than doing a little bit of drugs or drinking a bit. We're just trying to cope and do our best.

No. 1226652

>>1226585
>RSD. Rejection sensitive dysphoria
Take a normie who messes up occasionally. They get embarrassed and move on, then there's a good while in between before they fuck up again. For the typical sperg it's just constant. Constant embarrassment and rejection. It's like having a wound reopened over and over and over. Are we overly sensitive for thinking it hurts? I kinda don't understand.

No. 1226666

>>1226652
No we hyper fixate on it, we tend to be pretty one tracked and we aren’t good at emotional regulation. There’s brain structure reasons for that. I’m not saying you’re bad or wrong for getting upset. There’s just a term for the specific intense feeling you have after because not everyone on the spectrum has it and it’s not by normies standards considering “proportional” having the ability label and separate things helps me cope since I have an easier time understanding why when I catch it.

No. 1226824

>>1226446
I never thought of this as stimming or self soothing behavior but you've made me think a log. I listen to the same song/set of songs for months at a time for hours at a time every day and don't change my music preferences, have no urge to listen to other things..
even the content doesn't always matter just the sounds and colors of it.

Trying to relate this to others lead to "oh yea totally" but listening to the same video game image song on repeat for hours every single day for months is not what they're talking about.

Thank you Nonna. I learned something, today.

No. 1226960

>>1226588
>>1226636
I do the same, Adderall during the day and weed at night when I have to mask. It sucks but it does help to be less inhibited and more sociable around normies. The average normies drinks constantly anyways so I don't think it's wrong to use drugs to give you an advantage socially

No. 1228022

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Are any of the autistic nonnies here too ashamed to express feelings, especially the positive ones? I always struggled with it, I didn't know how to do it properly, and the prospect of doing it made me cringe. I hate receiving presents because of that, because I never know how to react, even if I like something. I started dating for the first time and it's a nightmare. I told him once I missed him, it was much easier to do face-to-face. Now I'm on my holiday in my home country and we only texted once and it wasn't feelings-related, he just wanted to know if I'm ok and how I'm doing, he knows I'm an autist and texting and talking on the phone is a torture for me, so I'm grateful he doesn't force it. I miss him and for the past few days I've been trying to come up with the proper ways to express it with the right words but the mere prospect makes me cringe. I think my autism was amplified by the fact I was raised in a neglectful, sometimes abusive household where my mom never expressed her feelings properly, especially positive feelings, only negative ones, she also never hugged me or told me she loved me etc. I'm not assertive at all and often allowed people to walk all over me in the past, I didn't feel worthy of fighting for myself and I felt a lot of shame because I couldn't function like other kids, be it at school or home, I was way more dependent on my mother than I should, and after I graduated HS I was a neet in my early 20s and after my mother died I had to learn everything from the start. I think I'm far behind people my age and I will never catch up, especially in terms of social maturity and being able to handle formalities. But I know I have to keep struggling and pretending I'm not a drooling retard because otherwise my family would send me to a "special institution" for "people like me", which is very nice of them and totally doesn't make me want to cut off ties with them. They would never help me. The only person I think I can count on is the man I'm dating, he accepts and respects me, which I didn't know was possible. Girls were supposed to be emotional and caring and expressive and I've always appeared cold and distant to people but I'm not cold, I feel a lot, I feel sorry for people and animals constantly, so often it overwhelms me because I can't do much about other's pain, I'm also passionate about many things like art or music or science, I look at the sky and ants and trees and ladybugs and everything fills me with wonder but I can't really express those feelings in front of people, and I can't connect with the people themselves. I think I don't like people that much, despite feeling sorry for them. I like my boyfriend and I wish I knew how to express it, I don't want him to feel neglected

No. 1228357

>>1228022
I relate to you a lot Noni. I think instead of attempting to be someone else maybe find new ways to express yourself your way. I have difficulty expressing emotions physically and I can be selectively mute, but I’m very dependable. I’ll always show up when it matters for the people I care about it and they know it. I also am big on acts of service and remembering important little details. I’ll learn their favorite coffee, flower, dinner, I’ll make notes in my phone of the things they want for later holidays so the gifts are always personalized to them and what they want. Things that show I care and I’m here. I also write loose poetry and sketch portraits. My current partner jokes I’m the goblin girlfriend. Also bringing shiny trinkets and then disappearing to go do goblin things.
On the same note I always work to match their needs that are important communication wise. My current partner was in a very toxic relationship before this and he struggles to voice difficult emotions in person so for stuff like that I’m patient and we text each other the questions and answers.
Maybe that helps. You’re not broken. You’re just different and I would focus on you and your partner and less on the world.

No. 1229308

This is long, and I'm sorry. I swear you could pinpoint us in forums or anywhere else because of our multiple paragraph long posts. I've had mostly shit psych doctors. Found a licensed counselor later on that listened and wasn’t a shit that dismissed things that I brought up, but cracking open and talking about things just made me have actual anxiety attacks in her office while talking about even mundane things sometimes. My eyes would water, my throat would start to tighten up and I would struggle to breathe, and my hearing would start to crap out entirely like I was listening to muffled sounds outside with earbuds in. That was physically stressful and no thanks. I evidently don't do vulnerability to strangers that are being paid to listen to me, even if I really like them as a person. She introduced me to a female doctor that had a really chill, but would still laugh on my jokes and help make visits more lighthearted. She was great, eventually settled that I should have just been back on my ADHD meds instead of the blue billion antidepressant brands and types, and the ADHD was the root cause of the repetitive thoughts and subsequent anxiety/anxiety attacks. I was diagnosed in childhood though, with subsequent diagnoses twice more in adulthood already though. She started seeing other doctors as patients though and moved up in the company. So I ended up with a dude in her office that I was fucking terrified would just dismiss me at every appointment. He's surprisingly pretty great too, further legitimized my concerns about fillers in generics with different drug manufacturers, and treats me like an adult.
So many of these fucking doctors will be condescending and shit if you question their treatment choices and have concerns aboutthe medication side effects (much of my experience with the awful ones was pre-Obamacare when they were getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies to shill their shitty drugs).

No. 1229314

>>1228022
It might be hard to wave away the feeling of being cringy when expressing emotions, or who knows?Maybe you'll have an easier time once you get the hang of things. Could you try writing it out on paper in a pen that you like writing with a few times to pick apart a way to verbally express it? If he's visual enough, illustrative imagery might work. Sometimes showing is easier than talking.

No. 1229795

Might be a bit longer blogpost. I'm kinda trying to find out what's wrong with me. Does this sound like some light autism?
I've been to so many psychiatrists because I had a lot of social distress and they never really could diagnose me in a fitting way. Most would think it's social anxiety or depression but that never felt like it fit. I always felt like I somehow am different, a lot of people seem like NPCs I couldn't understand while I'm a person, I never felt connected to my gender expression either (but I still do my best by researching what I should look like and do a good job). I also felt like I was missing some kind of conversation and socialisation gene, no matter how much I tried it just wouldn't work. I often looked (and even now do) at people's expressions and copy that, for example I noticed that people look at other people when they laugh at something so I started doing it even though I don't understand it and think it isn't natural. I read somewhere you're supposed to look at the person you like the most out of the group or something so I do that.
I felt so at ease with mandatory respirators because I could just look at eyes (smiling eyes would squint) and didn't have to control my expression. I have to plan eye contact, looking away and so on. I have weird obscure fixations I spend so much time on, I'm also terminally online. I have sensory issues, I can't stomach texture of any meat, gag with any smell of cold food, obsess over clean glasses/forks and could never eat at my friends house, the food would make me sick, I found not knowing the kitchens disgusting. I study medicine and always was a studious type so that would also check out. I have a very peculiar and weird sense of humor. I practice conversations and would have a checklist of things to talk about. Love when I don't have any events, staying at home with having now meet ups is so freeing but I feel guilt for not being social. I plan a lot of social things just because that's normal for adult woman. I overanalyse what people say, get fixated on people being tactful and if they break the social rules of tact I get irrationally angry and might even cut them off. I analyse social hierarchy and can read people quite well imo, but I stand outside most of the times. Can't recognise faces properly though.
I feel like I have a lot of small quirks that might be a bit autistic-adjacent but I'm not sure I'm weird 'enough'. I'm almost 30 now and I've settled into being okay with being a little bit weird. I look like a good-looking happy person from the outside now and it gets hard to honestly speak with psychiatrists because I can't drop the smiley calming way I've learn to talk in, I look pretty normal and they won't believe me.
That said I might just be not well socialised and maybe fucked up by some bullying I experienced while I was a kid because I was this wolf-obsessed weirdo ugly nerd who'd physically fight back. I always hated boys btw kek.

No. 1230454

>>1229795
Sounds like it to me.

No. 1231267

>>1229308
Anxiety attacks in the therapists office sounds very familiar. The worst part was when the therapists would then get annoyed with me for being “uncooperative”, which would just make me shut down even harder. I’m glad you’ve met a few people who treat you well and actually listen to you. Maybe it’s possible to learn how to be vulnerable with strangers with practice? It’s a miserable process, though, I wouldn’t blame you for not wanting to do that again.
I’ve only ever met one person who recognised my anxiety attacks for what they were and didn’t treat me like a time-wasting nuisance, but the subsequent autism diagnosis meant I couldn’t see her anymore because she was part of the anxiety unit and I got moved to the autism unit. Which sucked, because all the autism unit did was provide basic psychoeducation in a group setting and it was only for patients aged 21 and under because autistic adults are a lost cause I guess?

Have any other autism anons also fallen in this weird gap where you can’t get help for social anxiety because mh providers who specialise in social anxiety don’t know anything about autism (especially in women) and the ones who specialise in autism don’t really do therapy? When I seek help from the autism angle I’m told that adults shouldn’t expect anything beyond diagnosis and basic psychoeducation you can get from a book. But when I seek help for anxiety-related issues (including RSD) I always end up with people who don’t understand autism at all and inadvertently make things worse by insisting on things like exposure therapy or refusing to acknowledge the very real social rejection that underlies RSD. There are studies showing that non-autistic people often take an immediate dislike to autistic people based entirely on first impressions (or even just our faces? I’ll have to look it up), and it would be nice to have someone who could teach me how to deal with that reality instead of dismissing my experiences and telling me it’s all a figment of my imagination that I could get rid of by thinking positively or whatever.

>I swear you could pinpoint us in forums or anywhere else because of our multiple paragraph long posts.

cough

No. 1231425

I'd like to know more about RSD and their own experiences if anyone can. I got diagnosed with it after being said I'm bipolar from a psych ward visit. Rejection sensitivity has always been a huge issue for me. I thought it was more of a sign of BPD and had no idea it was common in female ASD

No. 1232682

>>1231267
I was lucky to finally feel like I got somewhere, and it's disheartening as hell to see so many people struggle with the same problems finding doctors that I did.
It's really weird that RSD wouldn't be treated alongside female autism, or maybe I'm just drawing lines there that only I'm seeing. I know it's supposed to be common in girls with ADHD as well, so would there be any way to seek out a doctor that typically counsels ADHD patients with RSD? They're not the same disorder, but those counselors might have a baseline understanding of the types of struggles that an autistic woman has had because of the similarities in behavioral and social struggles. It's not a perfect solution, maybe not even ideal at all for you, but it might be a start?
I'm a terrible source for that. I'm a turd and just expect rejection anyway, so I just blurt out all of my feelings about something to save myself the trouble. Better to burn the wood before it turns into a bridge that I'll feel more hurt over I guess. The people that have stuck around after I share opinions and are patient enough to let me clarify are the ones that I'm dog loyal to.

No. 1232722

>>1232682
Is RSD a real diagnosis? I'm not saying that it's not what you experience, but I have AVPD and always thought it's that rather than ADHD. RSD is new to me as an entirely separate thing.

No. 1232746

>>1231425
I have RSD related issues as a ADHD Autist sperg. It’s not a separate diagnosis, but depending on where you live it can be part of the diagnosis criteria. Burgerland from what I know ignores it and refuses to see it which might be part of the reason female autist and such get labeled with BPD there more. Places in Europe and several mental health orgs link it closely. What do you want to know? What triggers it for me? What helps? The things I’ve been taught to cope? How it feels?

No. 1232761

DAE have the experience of being bullied by male autistic/adhd friends before diagnosis? In my former friend group I ghosted for basically ruining my self esteem, there was a guy with adhd and one with asd, and both would gang up on and attack me. It got worse over the course of a year until it became malicious sabotage involving things like gaslighting me into undermining my talents in my career and hobbies until I quit, just constantly telling me I'm shit and all my praise is undeserved and that I'll never improve so I should give up. They'd say awful things about my appearance, my voice, mental health, etc, one time I was sexually assaulted while out clubbing with this friend group and the asd guy didn't give a fuck when I told him and just started talking my ear off about wrestling and the other told me I was lying. Whenever I'd try and stick up for myself they'd shield one another touting they can't help it due to their disorder and not understanding social cues. They were both diagnosed as children but after I got my diagnosis as an adult I reconnected to rub it in their faces and tell them off because I never treated them the way they did me and a lot of the things they bullied me for were how asd/adhd presented for me so for them to attack me as "ableist" when I told them they were hurting my feelings was hypocritical.

It still really burns, like I lived with thinking I was just stupid and made wrong and that's why everything seems so much harder for me than other people, but these guys knew for their whole lives and, maybe I'm jealous, but I'm trying to fix myself now that I know what's wrong with me and all they care to do is use it as a get out of jail free card for being cunts. I'm still friends with the asd guy since I've known him for a really long time and he's tolerable to hang out with by himself. I don't have other friends I've known for as long as him and he likes the same niche music as me, and it's nice having a male friend who I know doesn't want to fuck me, even if he does reaffirm this by saying stuff like, "I tell people that when I need to lose a boner I think about you."

No. 1232792

>>1232761
I'm sorry but what the fuck? These guys are not real friends. The way you're wording it (i.e. describing him as "tolerable"), it sounds like you're just settling with having that one guy as your friend. Even if he's affirming his lack of attraction towards in a joking manner (which is what I'm assuming since it's the only way his degrading statement towards you feels somewhat excusable), his past history with you is pretty fucked up. He acted like a typical antisocial moid lacking empathy. Has he ever even shown remorse for his actions towards you? It sounds like you are deeply lacking self-esteem. I really hope you find better friends who actually value your personality.

In my own personal experience, autistic moids are usually completely awful and their lack of empathy and emotional intelligence makes me want to stay far away from them. They tend to be complete trash who like you said, use their diagnosis as an excuse so you shouldn't take anything they say seriously.

No. 1232858

>>1232761
both of these dickheads sound like my adhd-having and probably autistic ex: tons of negging, self-pity, and ignoring you when you try to bring up serious topics to go sperg about whatever they're obsessed with at the moment. like the other anon said, that dude isn't your friend. i get what you mean about having someone around who also likes the uncommon things you do, but your self-respect is worth more than that.

No. 1232874

>>1232761
I had a couple of male asd friends in the years before I ever suspected my own tism. Not super close friends. IME they're mostly just pornsick and lack a filter.. they crush on you and try to play games and manipulate you but they're so retaarded that you see it a mile away. Looking back now I'd never befriend another male tist. If a guy overshares sexual shit with me randomly.. I'm gone. I put up with way too much of that all because 'well I have the tism so I can't help it' Sorry but you can.

What I hate about it to this day is.. It gave me this shitty view of what autism is even at a high functioning level. It made me want to resisit my own assessment. I associated it with manbabies who treat people poorly and who throw tantrums when a woman doesn't return their feelings. It took me a while to learn to seperate male and female tism as if they're two entirely different things.

No. 1232911

>>1232761
I don't know if I would say friends, but I had some pretty volatile interactions with an ADHD male in the past

No. 1233216

>>1232761
Yes. Autistic female. Got absolutely shit on by autistic males and I hate them now. They’re a walking red flag. Love my fellow lady spergs though.

No. 1233454

Is it wrong to not really want to make friends with people? Most of my close friends either moved away or stopped talking to me, and I don't really feel any different. I can talk to people and socialize just fine in small bursts, but I don't have a great desire to keep in contact with someone if I don't see them regularly and end up pushing them away if they bother me too much. All my free-time activities are solitary, and my bf is similar so we can happily coexist without saying much for hours. Plus, I see my family fairly regularly, so it feels like I'm set on social interaction and I don't really have room for more.
>inb4 schizoid-chan
Nope, just garden-variety sperg.

No. 1233509

Do any nonnies know of any over-the-counter or at home remedies that can help with the inattentive aspect of ADD? Before anyone asks I can't take ADD medications due to health issues (and my state is strict about them anyway) but this aspect of the disorder is the hardest to deal with. I do have a planner that helps me keep my tasks on track but I still space out and get distracted, unable to focus, schoolwork was always a hassle and it takes months to just write a chapter of a story. I hate this.

No. 1233535

>>1233509
There's lemon balm. L-theanine is supposed to help with calm focus as well and comes in matcha. Make sure you source them both from reputable places though.

No. 1233661

>>1232761
“Male friends” is the root cause of all problems tbh. The only male friends I still talk to are either gay or are husbands of my female friends so I kinda have to keep in touch with them. Even those get triggered or go silent when I dare suggest a woman should make her own money, make her own financial decisions and have saving and have a goal in life. I’ll get the “oh but I’ll buy her whatever she needs!” reply occasionally. It should give you an idea about males.

No. 1233665

>>1233454
>Is it wrong to not really want to make friends with people?
Not at all. I used to feel like it was, but trying to make friends when you really prefer to be alone is a lot of stress for you and eventually the people you are attempting to make friends with. It's much easier to let friendships develop naturally if they do and not sweat it if they don't. You aren't wrong or necessarily even missing out on anything by liking alone time or not making new friends, it's just how some of us are.

No. 1233694

>>1233454
I am exactly the same way. I have no desire to make friends and am happy with just my boyfriend and my family. The only problem is that my extreme introversion gets in the way of things like forming professional connections.

No. 1233698

>>1233509
I use an ambient noise app with a combo of brown noise and a looping bass melody. Headphones and a timer if you get that "oh no I'm stuck here forever" dread feeling, just put a timer for 20 minutes and say you're allowed to stop trying after that.

I know it's cheesy advice but putting your phone in another room on silent really does help a lot as well.

For studying I also read out loud and talk to myself as if I'm explaining the ideas to someone else. It engages more of your senses so you don't drift off.

Some say caffeine helps focus but personally it just makes me more anxious and scattered.

As for supplements, my friend says high dose of Omega 3 makes him feel the same as ritalin but those pills are expensive, not fish oil but pure Omega 3 800mg cost more than Concerta here, and it didn't work as well for me. But it's worth a try if you can find it affordable.

I'm so tired of being tied to doctors and having to jump through hoops to get meds. If I could find a natural supplement I'd switch in a heartbeat.

No. 1233743

>>1233509
Seconding the other anons who replied, and here's a few more:
>exercise, especially aerobic, of a moderate to high intensity several times a week
>getting enough sleep
>eating a diet high in protein
>if you're really stuck sitting down for hours at a time, sipping on something that contains a mild amount of sugar like a Gatorade or a lemonade that's not terribly sweet
>setting timers for work/breaks and taking frequent, scheduled breaks

Most of these are recommendations from Russel Barkley, a reputable ADHD expert, for kids with ADHD, but I shamelessly use them in my grown-ass adult life and they still work.

No. 1233772

>>1233509
Ungodly levels of caffeine

No. 1233822

>>1233509
I don't take medication either. I find that having a cup of matcha (one teaspoon or less) in the morning helps me wake up. If I have more or other caffeinated drinks or have it later I can't sleep and feel jittery but one morning cup is fine.

I also find getting enough sleep helps. The app Sleep Cycle wakes you up very gently at the right time and helps track how much sleep you are getting.

Lowering background stress helps too (gives you more "spoons"). Minimalism and simplifying as much of your life is good for this.

No. 1233830

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>>1233454
I'm exactly the same, except I'm NC with my family too. I used to feel a lot of societal pressure to have lots of friends but being a sperg, it would never work out and I came across as weird/desperate. Being constantly rejected also gave me low self worth.

Now I see interactions like pic related. I can chat to people when I feel like it but unless they make a move to stay in contact (and I feel the same), I don't expect to see them again. It has made me value my time more and feel more "exclusive", leading to higher self worth. I no longer need other people to feel complete and I don't care if someone doesn't like me.

I don't keep in contact with people either if I'm not going to see them regularly. When I used to try catching up with people from my past, there was always a bit of reminiscing but then the conversation would fizzle out. As I have ADHD too, my interests and priorities are constantly shifting so there's seldom even common interests anymore. They're basically just strangers again. I don't like being reminded of my past "selves" either.

I feel like I can never completely relax around other people, apart from my bf as he is fine with all my spergy ways. With other people it's like I'm constantly on my tiptoes trying to act the right way and not accidentally sperg about something. Plus most conversation bores me to tears anyway.

No. 1233832

>>1233454
I'm exactly like this. I'm envious of you though because my gf is really clingy and needs to know what I'm doing at all times. She's an ADHDer too, we're just different types of people.

I love solitude and I hate speaking so I totally get you.

The only people I've remained in contact with for years are the types who can send a few long emails every 6 months and not hear back for a while. We pick up like nothing happened and it works.

Otherwise I just can't do it.

No. 1233838

>>1233822
not saying you specifically need to worry about this, but for anyone else reading, matcha on an empty stomach causes vomiting in some people.

No. 1233843

>>1233838
I have had this happen actually when I put way too much in a smoothie but with oatmilk and sugarfree vanilla syrup and one teaspoon only, I've never had it happen. I recommend the anon start with half a teaspoon if they think they might have issues.

No. 1233870

>>1233832
How did you get your gf? You remind me of a person I have a crush on, so I'm extra curious

No. 1233890

>>1233870
Flattering, nona <3

We met online in the late 2000s sharing art. Friends first, online dating gradually. Moved in together after that. We've been going about 15 years.

I'm not interested in anyone, ever, so all my relationships (3 including this one) have been gradual tumbles from friendship. If not for my gf, I'd be single and living alone (and fine with that) though I'm satisfied with the way things are sans wanting a bit more time to myself.

No. 1233942

>>1233890
Kek I have an online crush too, keep your fingers crossed for me!
Who first started flirting?
You really sound a lot like the person I'm crushing on, so it's kinda nice to hear about a relationship that ended up being succesful. 15 years, that's amazing!

No. 1233949

>>1233942

Fingers crossed– you can do it. Best of luck.

Hm.. that's a hard one. She was going through a lot and I became her support system. We got close that way. I think we just realized gradually that we had feelings for each other. I'm not flirtatious but I can be a bit unintentionally aloof and that seems to be appealing for some (lol) but I was very warm with her.

We shared a lot and eventually I left home to move. It's been a bumpy road but things have settled considerably and we've both grown as people.

Thank you! I'm surprised myself, because I never imagined this outcome, but here we are. Anniversary is coming up in October.

No. 1233953

>>1233949
>>1233942
take it to discord

No. 1233956

>>1233953
Why in the fuck would anyone join the discord on anon board you dumbass? Leave them alone. They’re in the right thread.

No. 1233969

>>1233956
it's not a chat thread to talk about your gf uwu. it's for talking about being on the spectrum

>>1233949
wtf does this have to do with autism

>>1233942
or this

>>1233890
or this

>>1233870
or this

stop shitting up the thread. no1curr

No. 1233975

>>1233969
You good? Theres a vent thread if you need it.

No. 1233978

>>1233975
at least sage if you're going to shit up the thread

No. 1233979

>>1233969
Two women with ADHD discussing social and flirting dynamics and giving advice? What could that ever have to do with something that causes social impairment?
Take your meds anon.

No. 1233985

>>1233979
they weren't talking about that though, they were discussing the anon's gf

now you're shitting up the thread arguing. just fucking stop

No. 1233989

>>1233969
Don't gatekeep autism you autist.

No. 1234004

>>1233985
Fuck off, i was gonna drop the topic when you've barged in. I'm an ADHD retard crushing on another one. So I didn't state it clearly… Who the fuck cares, this is /ot/ and we have saged. Your retarded minimodding has brought in more shit than our harmless post exchange.

No. 1234010

>>1233989
>>1234004
stop shitting up the thread

No. 1234044

>>1234004
Ignore the foaming at the mouth retard Noni. I’m a fellow sperg and adhd and thought it was cute and reflected on my own relationship.

No. 1234048

Does anyone have any experience with psilocybin and autism? I used to unselfconsciously exhibit very autistic behaviors until I was 21 and started experimenting with shrooms. I feel like in some way gave me a sense of self-awareness or perhaps broke down an enormous wall between myself and the world around me in a way that I never thought possible.

For example, I used to hold myself and rock all the time. Breaking that habit was nigh impossible. It embarrassed my parents and they were always trying desperately to get me to stop (they were the type of parents who dOn'T bElIeVe In MeNtAl IlLnEsS so I never got any treatment, just confusion and yelling at me to act normal). I always did well in school and made a few friends (usually fellow autists) so life wasn't terrible. But I couldn't make eye contact and I used to be repulsed and sickened by certain foods and human touch.

In college I wanted to be cool so I ended up dabbling in drugs. I hated most of them but shrooms I researched. I created the proper scenario and dosage in order to have "spiritual" experiences because when I get interested in something, no matter how weird, I tend to get very curious and go all the way. What happened was not necessarily "spiritual." I tripped out a lot by myself and when I came out of that summer I could make eye contact and had stopped stimming by pinching myself and rocking. I just stopped. Also, as I said before, I felt like I had been living behind a thick wall that cut me off from what people were thinking and feeling, and that wall nearly dissolved. It was also comparable to having a ringing in my ears that I didn't realize was there that had also stopped after that summer.

I still have the 'tism but I am able to mask in ways that are (generally) not exhausting and I very rarely struggle with social cues. No more stimming except sometimes I twirl my hair when I feel awkward. I still get into a "zone" when I'm stressed out at work where I become extremely hyperfocused and untouchable. It makes people uncomfortable because I can react badly if anything or anyone distracts me from my tasks. But, I used to be that way ALL the time, not just at work.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I am very curious if anyone here has any related experiences to share! I apologize if I sound crazy.

No. 1234093

ADHD meds don't work on me. I've tried ALL of them. Vyvanse, Concerta, Ritalin, Wellbutrin XL…. Maybe I don't actually have ADHD kek???? What do I do?

No. 1234146

Does anyone know what works best if you have adhd and also severe ocd? My doctor said it's highly possible I do have adhd and I might try going on meds for it, but I also heard they can make ocd worse. Is there a combination that has worked for anyone or things that you do everyday that genuinely help? I feel trapped and stuck with knowing I have to do things but I will put it off until the very last minute each time because I get distracted and fall behind having to do stupid rituals that take up too much time and energy. I will spend so much time doing basic hygiene like washing hands and using deodorant and shaving that it makes doing it a nightmare. Obviously I force myself to do it but I wish there was a way to make it not so stressful and I had the energy to do things I really want and need to do. Maybe it's from adhd and it's making it worse. This has been a problem for years and only now has a doctor taken the time to say that it's a possibility. Just wondering if there's a way to fix it so I can stop mentally suffering just by doing basic tasks

No. 1234152

>>1234048
That sounds amazing. I definitely believe psilocybin can rewire your brain, give you new discoveries-if used correctly. Do you feel you understand others a lot more now?

No. 1234638

>>1234152
Yes! In a way that's difficult to put into words but I'll try. It's like people were once made of these badly rendered geometry blocks like in the dawn of 3D animation when it was still shitty. People were more like concepts than people, and I had a hard time grasping personal development or other "out-of-character" things that people in my life would do. Now I feel like I can see others how a "normal" person might. The resolution has improved greatly. People are complex and flowy, and often unpredictable, and I understand that's literally what being a human is. Put in a less weird way, I feel like I can just "see" people better. Like – you're no longer this one particular rigid entity that has 3 qualities I know how to interact with. You're just … whatever you are, in that moment, and that's not scary or confusing anymore. Fun question to answer, thanks for asking.

No. 1234843

Why are all neurotypicals psycopaths?

No. 1234850

>>1234843
This question reeks of victim mentality

No. 1234860

>>1234843
Most of them naturally experience emotional empathy and never felt it necessary to develop cognitive empathy making them very limited to only their world view?

No. 1234862

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>>1234850
Stop trying to infight

No. 1234941

>>1234850
Ffs, can we stop with the automatic defending of NTs and demonizing of autists already? This is one of the few places on the internet where autists can gather and vent, especially for female autists.

Some NTs ARE psychopaths or act that way towards autists. Being a repeat victim of bullying is a near universal experience for autists. They even ask about it in assessments.

Stating that you’ve had bad experiences with NTs or prefer the autist mindset and way of doing things is fine. People are allowed different opinions. You are allowed to keep sucking off NTs if that’s what you prefer but take it elsewhere.

No. 1234946

>>1234941
There’s a difference between what you said and “all NTs are psychopaths.” The irony of that statement as a simplified, black-and-white worldview is not lost on me either.

No. 1234950

>>1234946
It’s a place to vent. I really doubt they meant every single NT in existence but interesting you seem to be reading it that way.

No. 1235012

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>>1234946
If you aren't a triggered NT, you sure play the part well. They don't need defending here.

>>1234843
There's studies that show that autists will maintain the same ethical decision whether alone or observed by others, even when making a less ethical choice would benefit us: https://www.jneurosci.org/content/41/8/1699 This study portrays our "moral inflexibility" and cost consideration as a negative trait, but that's because autists are a minority. If we were the majority, the nonautistic trait of "moral flexibility" would definitely be seen as psychopathic, or at least a character flaw. I think the reason it's not seen as the negative trait it is is because most non-autists lack the self awareness to even know they're making unethical choices, and those that get close will rationalize their choices via self-serving feelings.

No. 1235056

>>1235012
You have to wonder what the world would be like if there were more NDs than NTs. I think in many ways it would be better and probably worse in others (more meltdowns for sure).

I wish there was more conversations about the ways in which being (aspergers type) ND can be superior. Being more honest, often higher IQ, quiet workers, etc. It feels like most conversations focus on the negatives or people who have low iq, which is weird when you consider that a lot of people that NTs look up to (e.g. Einstein) were probably on the spectrum. NDs obviously aren’t superior in every single way but they aren’t inferior in every way either.

No. 1235080

>>1235056
I don't have concrete studies for this, but there are theories in some anthropology circles that early human inventions were attributed to ND people. It takes both an asocial personality and an ability for deep focus in order to, for example, ignore the group fire activity and strike two stones against each other until one shapes into a usable tool. This might be a little tinfoily, but I've always believed ND people are supposed to exist in human groups to provide skills that the majority does not usually possess.

No. 1235106

>>1233743
>>1233822

AYRT, the funny part is I've gotten healthier than I have been but my attention span has actually gotten worse. I rarely use my phone (I go on websites on my home computer) except to make phone calls or as an alarm for work and I go to the gym several times a week, but my attention span is so bad that I just can't watch shows or write stories anymore. Maybe this is just growing up or something but I wish I could at least try a medication since I'm at a good point where it's not likely I'll get hardcore addicted. I have friends in more liberal states who say that Concerta or Ritalin helped them write whole novels and it makes me so jealous.

No. 1235126

>>1235056

If everyone had autism, the world would be a better place because:
>We are often highly intelligent and have unique perspectives that can contribute to making the world a better place
>We are often very honest and direct, which can lead to more effective communication and less misunderstandings
>We are often very loyal and supportive friends, which can lead to stronger relationships and a more supportive world
>We often have a great appreciation for nature and the world around them, which can lead to a greater respect for the environment
>We often have a strong sense of justice, which can lead to a more fair and just world

No. 1235138

>>1235126
You forget that autistic men exist and they're usually way worse than non autistic men somehow. All of the testosterone and tard rage, more ways to justify his shitty behaviors, and more ways for him to discover how to be a degenerate coomer.

No. 1235151

>>1235138
You know we can have conversations without men being a focus. Can we in a female only community talk about females without having to consider the men or are you that obsessed with dick?

No. 1235161

>>1235138
I might just be lucky to know older autists who grew up before ND men were coddled, but male autists are usually fine when they're held to higher than average standards like autistic women are. When they're taught to be ashamed for their outbursts and expected to socialize better than their nonautistic peers, they can make halfway decent humans. The autistic integrity is there, just muddied by maleness.

No. 1235165

Went into our college's office today because I had some questions related to paperwork. The woman I was assigned to had her door open, I knocked lightly and said "Excuse me, she said "I'll be with you in a second, just finishing up this document", so I greeted her and sat down. Then she spent another 5 minutes trying to attach some file to some e-mail and then turned to me and I could feel some animosity on her part. Then I realized she probably expected me to wait outside the door, not take a seat on the other side of the table immediately. And this was me on a good day, I'm so blind to norms like these.

No. 1235195

>>1235151
They make up half of the population. OP said we'd be better off if the whole population was autistic, but we wouldn't be because half of the population has that Y chromosome that makes them monsters.

No. 1235197

>>1235161
Well in today's society they're coddled, so I guess you are lucky. A lot of these trannies we make fun of are likely autists who have been led astray and now they're violent women haters who wear dresses.

No. 1235226

>>1235195
Regardless of whether they’re autistic or not moids are a problem. So what was the point of your statement? The world would probably still be better. You just wanted to remind us moids exist and most of them are rape apes?

No. 1235228

>>1235195
The world would be better if all women were autistic then

No. 1235234

>>1235228
Seriously, autistic women are so much better than NT that it's not even funny. So many NT women I know are psychopaths

No. 1235236

>>1235197
A lot of them are. This isn't a defense for male autists, but a lot of the problems we see with autistic people (violent scrote males who can't control themselves and hiki/NEET women who lack opportunity) are due to a lack of social support and purpose. Autistic women aren't given any real support to flourish due to misogyny and autistic men don't have purpose in their special interests anymore. Instead of cataloguing every type of lizard found in their town and sharing that information with others (a contribution to society), we have male autists who gatekeep comic stores and think hentai is real and troon out (obviously not a contribution to anything.)

No. 1235252

>>1235126
Piggybacking off of this:
>We have strong pattern recognition and stable morals, which makes us great advisors
>We often excel at outside-the-box thinking, and can provide unique ideas to many situations
>We have diverse sensory integration, which allows us to excel at tasks that are difficult for others
>We have deep reserves of compassion and excel at nonstandard communication, this makes many of us better suited to work with animals

No. 1235271

>>1235252
>>1235126
good god why do autists always do this overcompensation kek the sheer narcissism is astounding kek

No. 1235274

>>1235271
You sound like a butthurt NT. Fuck off

No. 1235275

>>1235271
Wow such empathy. Such great cognitive skill. Hope you never need help since you’re attitude is why you have no one to call the end of the day. NT not become friendless social retards by 30 challenge. Oops already failed?

No. 1235280

>>1235271
most of mine were about ways we can help the rest of you because human society takes many types of people to function and i want other people to be happy and live in a good environment, but go off i guess.

No. 1235281

>>1235280
Yeah Neurotypicals are absolute psycopaths. They're jealous because they recognize we're superior and conspire to keep us down

No. 1235282

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>get in a situation where I'm talking to some new people
>talk to this one girl
>she admits that she's high-functioning autistic and was diagnosed at 17
>tell her that I'm autistic and how it's nice to see another autistic woman
>says that she recognised that I was autistic, but most normies won't be able to recognise it
>we talk a bit and it's nice
>she suggests that she might get into drug dealing
>I think that's weird but whatevs
>she talks about how she loves formula 1 racing
>she admits she watches 'bestgore' and 'r/morbid curiosity'
>says her autism sometimes is channelled into war as a topic
>she watches wendigoon, and so do I, so we bond over that a little
>tell her how 'I got to this site that's comfy but overtly misandrist and transphobic and gets spammed with gore by incels sometimes'
>idk why I mentioned lolcow. I didn't say 'lolcow' or anything so she still doesn't know about this site
>idgaf about 'transphobia', but I phrase it that way to seem more normie
>says that transphobia goes against her and her sister's values
>she doesn't seem to care that I visit a 'transphobic' site since she visits sites that 'sound sus' as well
>say that they sometimes stream movies on cytube
>the conversation shifts to weird stuff that happened when we were kids, how bad the local area is etc
>the conversation naturally shifts to her talking about how taking a psychology class made her realise that she experienced abuse when she was younger
>admit that I've never faced trauma like that
>says that I give off innocent vibes
>we exchange numbers
she's a bit of rough around the edges but she seems nice. I know the way I talked about her might've portrayed her in a negative light, but she does seem generally quite nice. We've hit it off quite nicely and It'd be nice to be friends with another autistic woman

No. 1235283

>>1235252
I'm in a field with a pretty even mix of NT and ND women. I wouldn't say we excel at compassion or even communication between ND people, most people that showed me compassion and had the flexibility and were considerate to my needs are NTs.

No. 1235286

>>1235282
omg nonna she sounds fun and kinda sus, good for you and i hope you keep hitting it off

No. 1235292

>>1235281
I don't know about that. Sounds extreme and too coordinated. I think most NTs just aren't used to the idea that their default mode shouldn't be the only way of existing and get a bit testy at ND people doing some things better than they can.

No. 1235293

>>1235282
nonnie, there is litteraly an anon who talks about f1 on lc sometimes, maybe it's her or just a funny coincidence kek

No. 1235295

>>1235275
>Wow such empathy
if you're really trying to say that autists have higher empathy than the non-autists, boy do i have news to tell you kek
>Such great cognitive skill
kekekekek same as above kekk
>Hope you never need help since you’re attitude is why you have no one to call the end of the day
I love how you autists think that you're the only people in the world who have knowledge and interests in important shit - funny shit
>NT not become friendless social retards by 30 challenge. Oops already failed?
tears are streaming down my face as i type, what is this projection??

No. 1235296

>>1235292
NT people have no individuality. They are like a hivemind

No. 1235300

>>1235296
not an autist saying this kek

No. 1235302

>>1235296
I think you're a shit-stirring NT trying to justify a victim complex. Kindly go back.

No. 1235304

>>1235295
Oh wow you don’t even know the difference between emotional empathy and cognitive? How low is your iq?

No. 1235307

I know this is a literal autism thread but could you guys please be a little less autistic

No. 1235310

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The late diagnosed ADHD to substance abuse pipeline is real and I’m suffering and just want it to end

No. 1235311

>>1235295
>let me barge into this thread where I'm not wanted and post dumb comments to show my superior empathy and cognitive skills

No. 1235317

>>1235311
the 'tist rage is funny tho

No. 1235321

>>1235304
says someone who doesn't know the difference between your and you're kek

No. 1235324

>>1235321
ok, whoever this is just lost the argument because they had to resort to being a grammar nazi

let's stop shitting up the thread now and get back on topic

No. 1235335

>>1235324
spelling things correctly and knowing what and when words are used properly are parts of iq tests

No. 1235337

>>1235335
this isn't a spelling or iq test. no1curr

No. 1235347

Any other nonnas getting sucked into hyperfocus a little too hard? I got back into my project and once I start I don't stop until it's time to sleep. Do you go with the focus flow or try to fight it? And if you do mediate it, how do you do it?

No. 1235357

>>1235347
I hate interrupting my focus. If it’s important. I’ll set alarm breaks for things like food and water. More than anything I can play the chunks of time around stuff I know I’ll hyper focus so I’m already fed and whatever beforehand to help.

No. 1235358

>>1235337
nonis shouldn't claim intelligence be using iq standards then

No. 1235359

>>1235358
no1currrrrr

No. 1235365

>>1235359
i am sticking my tongue out at you noni

No. 1235369

>>1235311
This person doesn’t seem to realize that watching someone cry and getting sad is emotional empathy something spergs struggle with because the social part of our brains is wired differently so we develop improved cognitive empathy over time the ability to think and consider other peoples perspectives and experiences to relate to them. Something most NT lazily never work on because they’re so used to their
> muh emotional empathy superpower
But overactive emotional empathy and self focus is just a personality disorder so the freak above is legit just proving the original anons point of NT being awful and entitled.
Lack of cognitive and overactive emotional is legit a huge part of personality disorders. We as spergs also can’t have Antisocial.
It’s also like being dyslexic is associated with being a sperg and can lead to spelling mistakes and them continuing is just proving they have narc tendencies. Interesting.

No. 1235383

if, as a result of female autism being better known these days, society starts coddling autistic girls like they do boys, will autistic women start getting worse?

No. 1235384

>>1235369
if you spergs have such high cognitive abilities, than you wouldn't constantly be narc raging on those with personality disorders/mental illness that can only develop due to continuous childhood abuse ie bpd, certain types of bipolar, etc. Y'know, cuz you'd be able to put yourselves in their shoes

No. 1235386

>>1235383
>bpd, certain types of bipolar
ctrl+f = no one has mentioned them in a derogatory way in this thread

No. 1235392

>>1235056
I think both “types” have their strengths and weaknesses and I wish there was more emphasis on embracing and appreciating our strengths instead of only correcting our weaknesses, as long as those weaknesses don’t negatively affect people around us.

My old workplace would have run 10x better if it employed a majority of (competent) autistic people. The work required us to be very focused, meticulous, detail-oriented and willing to repeat certain tasks ad nauseam. Turbonerds, essentially. Instead the boss kept hiring party frat boys who half-assed everything and left early to get beers several times a week. All of them were technically qualified and I’m sure they were fun at parties but they were objectively bad at their jobs and I was constantly having to pick up their slack. The worst part is that they didn’t even seem to realise this, like they seemed to think work just got done magically over the weekend after they all left, and would bully anyone who didn’t fit in with them until the person quit.
I went into STEM believing that traits like mine would be valued but instead I find myself being taken for granted while charismatic nt people take advantage and walk away with all the credit. It really sucks.

>>1235292
This is my experience too. It’s like they can only see the parts we’re “missing”, not the things we excel at. Or they downplay the importance of the things we’re good at. Those coworkers I mentioned would act like they were being held to impossible standards whenever anyone asked them to do things that were literally in the job description. Instead of considering that maybe they’d be a better fit at a different job if they couldn’t fulfil the requirements of this one, they decided that the expectations were unreasonable and “nobody” could reach those standards so we might as well throw them out and go get a beer. Meanwhile most high functioning autistic people I know would have no problem whatsoever reaching those standards, but they’re no fun at parties so they don’t count.

I’m exhausted so I’m rambling, I’m sorry. I hope this made sense to someone.

No. 1235394

>>1235383
no, because autist boys being like That, while majorly is due to society's overall worship of the male being, is also due to them going through male puberty thus having bigger muscles, thicker bones etc. So, while autist girls could potentially be more like the male autists in potential annoyances, they could never be as much of a physical threat

No. 1235406

>>1235392
This is proof that women with high functioning autism are superior

No. 1235409

>>1235392
Why do you say that everyone with "high-functioning" autism have a great work ethic? I think there are plenty of people with high functioning autism who struggle with executive dysfunction or aren't even proficient in science to begin with. It sucks you aren't given the credit that you deserve but it sounds like you should just find another job.

No. 1235411

>>1235386
you guys sure spammed about the bpds in the last one, also in the vent thread(s)
What I am trying to say is that a person's cognitive empathy is not particularly high if they cannot put themselves in the shoes of others who're not similar to themselves, autistic or NT

No. 1235414

>>1235384
Where did I shit on Bipolar people? Bipolar isn’t a PD and is a mood disorder that can be exasperated or worsened by outside stimuli but ultimately is genetic. If anything you putting bipolar and PwBPD in the same cup is a harmful generalization for both groups? Seems like you’re projecting and I hit the nail on the head. Why don’t you go check your own shit and out of check emotions anon?
>>1235392
I empathize a and relate a lot to your struggles nonnie. It’s hard for them to see us.

No. 1235417

>>1235292
I wish someone would make an ND oriented university focused on ND learning styles, similar to Gallaudet (deaf university). I worked as a language teacher briefly and I always had issues because I would go through the work too quickly for the students, but from my perceptive, it wasn't quick enough (I've studied a few languages myself).

Imagine if instead of lectures (complete waste of time writing things down as printers exist these days), the course was focused on self learning (with limits and guidance) and doing deep dives on course topics, which you can then discuss in detail with the professor.

Deadlines would be much more flexible and presentations would only be judged on the content, not whether you look happy and wave your arms around enough.

Everyone would get a single room to live in.

There would be no minimum number of members for societies, allowing many autists to connect over niche interests.

The lighting would be dimmer, the cafeteria food ND friendly, no loud noisy events.

No. 1235419

>>1235411
A lot of autistic women are diagnosed as BPD instead by dumb therapists.

No. 1235421

>>1235417
That sounds incredible, but I think we would have NT screeching about it not being fair. They can’t imagine someone getting extra help or different help most of the time since equity is a difficult concept. Hopefully if it happened it would inspire them to help more of their own too.

No. 1235424

I feel like I have some autistic traits like being rude and obsessed with video games. However, I just don't really relate to a lot of traits associated with autism. Personally I love being in groups and socializing. I also don't relate to having many sensory issues other than getting annoyed at loud noises. Is it bad if I'm not interested in getting a diagnosis? Or does it sound like I'm in denial?

No. 1235426

>>1235409
You have to have a job and be able to take care of yourself to be a high functioning autist. Being self reliant is part of the moniker noni

No. 1235427

>>1235421
NDs having one uni while NTs having thousands would be unfair. Of course they don't see it that way.

Gallaudet does allow hearing people I think but i wouldn't want NTs at an ND uni.

No. 1235432

>>1235424
Not everyone has all the traits and some can be beaten out of you by overbearing parents. If you don't have a reason to use a diagnosis then there is no reason to get one, though it can be handy to have in case of workplace bullying etc

No. 1235433

>>1235424
If you love socializing and don’t have sensory issues. You aren’t a sperg.
Being rude and liking things doesn’t make you autistic. Sounds like you have no idea what it is.

No. 1235434

>>1235421
Why? I'm not NT but I would never go there. If it's an American university it would be private and very expensive. I doubt it would also have a very big alumni base or a large endowment. It would probably be like one of those random LAC in the middle of nowhere. It's not like hearing people are clambering to get into Galludet, which really isn't that prestigious.

I went to a fairly prestigious university in an urban setting that's supposed to have a good social life so no thanks.

No. 1235437

>>1235409
I never said that everyone with high functioning autism has great work ethic. I’m saying that this job required people with a set of traits that are typical of (a subset of) people with high functioning autism, but the boss would rather ignore people like that in favour of unsuitable stereotypically nt bros because nt bros are what he considered normal.

>>1235406
lol no there are many things I suck at. However there are some niches where I ought to fit in really well and it’s frustrating to have people take that away from me. Round pegs, being the majority, hammering every hole into a round one until us square pegs have nowhere to go.
I’m going to sleep.

No. 1235438

>>1235434
not everyone has to pay for uni in their country

No. 1235439

>>1235424
have you considered that you're just a rude gamer and not neurodivergent

No. 1235441

>>1235433
Some autists are social and prefer high sensory loads though. Lots of autists love to go on about how everyone with autism is different. I also score pretty high on autism diagnosis tests for a woman and was evaluated for ASD when I was younger so it's not like I'm bringing this up out of nowhere
>>1235432
My mom is overbearing about some shit but she actually never told me to make more eye contact. So maybe it's just a good sign I'm not a sperg. idk

No. 1235444

>>1235439
idk the language over ASD is all over the place, so I'm struggling to figure out what's legit or not. Like apparently liking philosophy as a woman and having a "sense of justice" are autism traits too, and I have them.

No. 1235448

>>1235438
Sure I'm just speaking as my perspective as an American. Also the other anon bought up Galludet University and that's a private American school too

No. 1235450

>>1235392
I work in STEM too. I’m sorry anon. It’s rough and they laugh like fat cats about their lack of work and education it’s honestly shameful. I don’t know how they can do it. I can’t put out bad work and when they eventually get found out for doing nothing they want sympathy as they lose their job. I have none. I did both of ours and you got the raise.
I just focus on my work and education and am focused on being as high paid and specialized as I can to get away from them.

No. 1235452

>>1235444
Do you want the physical reasons and symptoms for Autism? Not the bullshit uwu socially media garbage? How it affects the brain structurally?

No. 1235454

>>1235452
No, not really. Isn't there something simpler like a list of traits? I just don't see how something so technical would be helpful.

No. 1235461

>>1235454
begone troll

No. 1235465

>>1235461
I'm not a troll. This is actually a question that has been bothering me for a while. idk, what do you think is a good list of symptoms/traits?

No. 1235468

>>1235454
I don’t know what you’re looking for then? The sensory issues is a part of the autism because that part of our brain is wired more tightly for example? It kind of sounds like you were just looking for an excuse to keep being rude.

No. 1235471

>>1235452
>>1235461
nta but you're coming off as really hostile. also i don't know how many of us want all of our symptoms, unless you meant have and I'm misunderstanding?
>>1235454
Please ignore them. Backreading the threads and seeing whether you relate to another anons experiences might be helpful. It's hard to just conjure up a list of autistic traits because much of the time autism affects most of our experiences? So it's hard to list everything at once, but listening to other autistic women and relating to our experiences is a good first step to figuring yourself out. If it sounds like stuff you've experienced your whole life, you might be autistic, if very little of it does, you might not be.

No. 1235489

>>1235468
>>1235471
I'm just looking for more clarification. Even if you told me about the brain stuff, how am I supposed to interpret that when I don't have any background in it?

Maybe it would help if I listed my traits. Here's some things I identify with

>Being different/quirky

>Not being socially successful
>Having a hard time picking up on jokes/sarcasm sometimes
>Bad on picking up romantic cues
>Having hyperfixations
>Speaking out of turn
>Needing a blanket to fall asleep at night
>Enjoying sniffing things
>Having a rigid moral code

Mind you I have ADHD so idk if some of those traits could be explained

And here's the stuff I don't relate to:

>Having meltdowns

>Having sensory issues (besides loud noises when I'm trying to concentrate)
>Not enjoying being social
>Hating fluorescent lights
>Hating parties
>Having a great work ethic
>Being shy

No. 1235491

Does anyone have an autistic diagnosis but their childhood wasn't really a stereotypically autistic? Often sources and analysis seems to take childhood behaviour into account, but for me, I seemed like a very normal child. Didn't have any developmental delays, I was very social and talkative, had no problems making friends and was often even the "leader" of social groups. Then after starting puberty, I've developed a lot of autistic traits which made my teenage years a nightmare, and they persist into adulthood (even though I got a lot better at handling my outbursts and preventing meltdowns), where my profile seems to be incredibly similiar to other autistic women.
I'm just not sure if that's possible after being a child with zero suspicion of being on the spectrum.

No. 1235505

>>1235471
Not sure why you’ve grouped me in with someone else. All I did was ask if they wanted a list of symptoms grouped by which parts of the brain are affected to show the difference between those behaviors on a developmental level. Autism isn’t just symptoms Noni. The symptoms exist for a reason. The above anon just listed video games and rude. If anything that was rude and an offensive stereotype to come ask for help with

No. 1235506

>>1235489
A lot of those are related to ADHD Noni.

No. 1235511

People looking for "typical traits" need to remember this all skews male, women with autism are often vastly superior in terms of navigating communication and social situations. A man can be obtuse and rude without question, so they can have more obvious traits which an autistic woman can mask.
ADHD and autism also have a lot in common so for nonas who already are sure to have adhd, I'm not sure how useful cross-examining that with autism really is.

No. 1235516

>>1235414
there are 5 forms of bipolar and all can develop from environmental factors i.e. childhood trauma - celebrity example, azealia banks has diagnosed bipolar as a result of her mother's repeated mental and physical abuse - calling her ugly, worthless,beating her,etc - followed by a coddling period where her mother would give her whatever she physically wanted and then would repeat the physical and mental abuse once again, repeating the cycle until azealia permanently left home to live with one of her sisters in middle school i.e she developed bipolar disorder from parental abuse
>>1235419
yeah bpd is misdiagnosed/overdiagnosed a majority of the time. The fact that therapists/psychologists/etc misdiagnose bpd and adhd/autism for each other a lot should say something tho

No. 1235518

>>1235511
There’s female specialists who focus on females. There’s entire guides for us now with similar traits just for women with autism. Not trying to take away from you, but the field is changing.

No. 1235519

>>1235511
Well idk how good I am at navigating social situations compared to other women. I feel like I'm way worse than most women.

No. 1235524

>>1235519
I think anon meant it compared to men. Often people just shrug when male autists can't behave in social situations, the same luxury (if you can call it that) isn't given to female 'tists.

No. 1235542

>>1235518
I wanna know if there's some sort of database out there for people by state or country that help with female, particularly adult, autism. Just a big list of safe doctors. It's been so hard to find anyone, especially with my shit insurance. All autism websites and organizations so far I've gone on just acknowledge that adult diagnosis is hard and then provide no help for it.

No. 1235593

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Any nona here was diagnosed with social anxiety? It's been half a year since I'm going to see a psychiatrist and I've been told yesterday I have social anxiety, however the psychiatrist also brought up the possibility of female Asperger's. He's still not sure if it's one or the other, so I'm still being evaluated. Whats the difference? (I ask here because google seems to show very outdated info about the differences)
The symptoms of social anxiety matchs up with what I feel, however i also show traits of Asperger's such as sensibility to textures, sounds (I go out with ear plugs, or else I get disoriented with all the noises around me) I tend to not look at people in the eyes, just to name a few.
Anybody else is or was in the same situation as me?

No. 1235645

>>1235511
this is exactly why autism in women isnt taken seriously, most women who have high functioning autism are forced to mask behavior and mimic all of their life which is very hard and stressful by the way, because if they dont mask then they wll face bullying, ridicule and even physical assault in some cases.

this ''autist women are perfect and are just like neurotypicals'' are exactly why actual autistic women never go to get diagnosed and instead its the attention seeking, tiktok girls who have no identity who go and try to get (false) diagnoses.

No. 1235648

>>1235593
Hey anons as someone who had actual social anxiety im going to give you some actual advice.
Social anxiety is never just social anxiety, many times it is caused by something to trigger it, and the only way to to lessen the social anxiety is to find out the underlying cause. The underlying causes could be alot, it could be health related, hormones, mental illness, autism, trauma, negative self perception ,paranoia, upbringing etc etc etc.

Take my advice the only way for you to get rid of it is to find out the underlying cause because all doctors will do is is give you meds or therapy that wont work.

No. 1235713

>>1235648
DA but I agree. I honestly wish I did CBT or something (I know you said therapy won't work, but I think some kind of discussion with a professional about your life and what led to become anxious is helpful) instead of taking medications because the side effects made me worse. I realized the hard way my anxiety was more of a trauma trigger and social phobia than solely a matter of brain chemicals (but that could be the reason for some people)

No. 1235723

>>1235648
I mean, therapy is designed to figure that stuff out. Agree on the meds though. Drugging yourself till you feel nothing isn’t a healthy or sustainable solution to social anxiety.

No. 1235954

social anxiety isnt an actual diagnosis people on tumblr came up with that amd it caught on

No. 1235999

>>1235954
Can people like you stop shitting up this thread? We're in our corral for a reason. Fuck off to cow boards if you wanna be a bitch

No. 1236040

>>1235999
Wah wah wah

No. 1236154

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So i'm hoping at some point to be assessed for autism, but the system in my country (Switzerland) is very confusing. You never know what's covered or how much something costs until you get the bills for it. For example I paid 1600 overall for STD testing, a UTI diagnosis and consulting a doctor about sleeping issues, even though my health insurance was deductible after 300 I ended up paying way more myself, for what reason I don't know.

My point is that it would be for me, with my management skills, very difficult to see through being diagnosed and possibly very expensive. But I got tinnitus 2 years ago and found out that people with sensitive hearing are much more likely to get it, which I know I have because people are amazed at things I pick up on, but I hate it. I feel like a rabbit listening out for predators, it's constantly on and I can't turn it off and relax, like I HAVE to listen to the bullshit a loud group of kids are saying on the bus. As an aside, I bought pic related which dampen frequencies and make sounds not so abrasive, it's not a miracle worker but for me it helps on a night out.

Anyway,I do suspect I have it. From my mum asking what's wrong with me through the years when I was a kid (which is messed up in hindsight, if she really thought something was wrong then get me help instead of shaming me maybe?), to just a year ago when a frenemy colleage told me that other coworkers thought that there's something missing on my part when I talk to them, and honestly despite being a hard worker I was on thin ice because people generally didn't like me. I feel like I never fit in, and i'm too stupid, too sensitive and I suppose too abrasive.

Point is, what would a diagnosis really do if I were to get it? Like with tinnitus I found out that the only therapy is to reframe it and accept the condition as is because there's no cure. Is it the same for autism if you're generally high functioning? Are they just like "love yourself <3" if you're not having daily meltdowns and not being fired from every job? Because in that case I feel it wouldn't be worth risking the cost of the process.

No. 1236158

>>1235954
It’s like even anxiety or panic attacks isn’t. You can have generalized anxiety but it will be called that and you can have an anxiety disorder that’s exasperated by social situations or a panic disorder that is triggered by social situations, but it won’t be labeled social anxiety.

No. 1236160

>>1236154
Pretty much. There’s not a lot of resources or help for adults especially adult women with autism. I’ve found a lot of help talking and relating to other women on the spectrum and got more out of it then my diagnosis unfortunately. Have you tried partial noise canceling ear buds. I use them. They can take a bit to get used to

No. 1236180

>>1235954
I don't know about other countries but a psychiatrist diagnosed me with social phobia which is basically the same thing

No. 1236209

>>1236180
your valid, the other anon can go eat crap.
Actual social anxiety is hell and very similar to paranoia and delusions.
Sadly there is alot of attention seekers on the internet and social media who want to claim depression, anxiety, autism and Tourette's so then because of them dumb cunts go and accuse people who actually have the disorder of it not ''existing'' or of them having something else.

Every social phobia help site is filled with people who do not have it, people who think just because they are shy or awkward that means they have it.
I remember a person with actual social anxiety made a post on those sites about being afraid of what they think because they get delusions about people reading their thoughts and everyone told them they must be schizo when in fact what they described is normal for people with severe social phobia.

Social anxiety is very similar to delusions and paranoia the only difference is they are self-aware, but most people think this disorder means shyness due to the fact that the majority people who claim to have it are just shy or attention seeking people.

No. 1236219

>>1236158
>>1235954
What the fuck are you retards talking about? Social anxiety disorder is listed as such in the DSM-V and has been recognized to commonly co-occur with ADHD for a long time.

>>1236209
Paranoid delusions are not a feature of social anxiety disorder. That person was, in fact, a schizo.

No. 1236226

>>1236219
do you know how severe anxiety works like , it literally clouds your mind and rational. Someone experiencing severe phobia definitely can get delusional but the difference between them and the schizo is that they are self-aware while they are having those thoughts.

No. 1236300

>>1236226
Then it's not a delusion.

No. 1236529

>>1235954
Who doesn’t have social anxiety?

No. 1236732

Does anyone else have trouble with saying thank you? Or like not knowing when to say it? I got called out for being rude as a kid because I didn't know when to say thank you at proper times. Then I doubled-down on it hard by saying thank you to literally everything to the point where it annoyed people. Now I'm back to not knowing and I trip up for a lot of things. Like if someone is helping me for an extended period of time I will think that saying thank you in the beginning or showing gratitude in other ways is enough but no, I have to say it a bunch of times for it to count? I've been called selfish for not saying thank you enough and I legitimately did not even realize it when I thought I was doing ok

And another thing I ran into as well is a shared server with a friend that has regular streams, I will pop in and watch and then leave. But my friend called me out for leaving without saying "thank you for the stream". I don't even see why this is necessary? It's just someone projecting a fucking movie and takes no effort, it isn't a personal one on one favor. I don't understand the formality. I never really say much when I'm watching anything and there are a bunch of other people there so I really don't see the point in why I have to. Now in other servers with streams I get super anxious about coming off as selfish or rude for just watching and then dipping. Do I really need to say thanks for the stream every single time? Aaaaaa

No. 1236779

anyone else super aware of the cars around you when driving? like yeah, you have to be aware while driving, but I'm so hyper focused about the music I'm playing, how loud it is at certain points in driving, what the other people in cars are doing, their impression of me. then I get home and I feel incredibly weird and I never want to drive again.

same thing with going to stores, I feel like I look incredibly spaced out and distant in my eyes, and the social interactions I have are kind of weird and artificial, then I get in my car and overthink everything that I did in the store. I dont know

No. 1236909

>>1236732
Yeah, I have the same thank you issues. Either too much or not enough.

Your friend is being extra about the streaming thing though. I've never seen anyone that the host for that

No. 1236958

>>1199982
Nona, you should know how sensitive autists can be to certain things. I've been diagnosed with autism since I was 13, and I actually started working with autistic children at a special school for them.
The picture is hideous. It bothers me a lot. It has kept me from posting in this thread since it was made. Pls don't bully autists for being autistic.

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No. 1237055

>>1236958
Replying to a month old post like a true autist

No. 1240578

I wonder if my normie friend is catching on that I'm 'tistic. He made some joke yesterday that really should have been extremely obvious to me, but wasn't. I wonder if he thinks I'm playing stupid or thinks Im actually stupid.

No. 1240864

I’d just like to thank the anon(s) who brought up the difference between emotional empathy and cognitive empathy. It perfectly encapsulates something I’ve been struggling with for years but never had the words for. Why isn’t any of this in the books I was recommended when I got my diagnosis?

No. 1243367

>>1235310
Are you abusing ADHD meds or just regular substances, cuz if it's the latter then same. Though i don't want it to end and im not suffering. I can happily say i have it under control even though i indulge more often than recommended (i can say that since i was a legit addict a couple of years ago and for me quitting totally could never work, but reducing the amount and frequency did)

No. 1245080

>>1203503

romania or italy ?

No. 1245322

seeing all the "neurodivergent" cows online and in my personal life really makes me wish i never told anyone about being autistic. i got diagnosed late in life but always knew something was wrong with me since i struggled so much socially, with expressing my thoughts and emotions, and bang my head really hard against the wall or floor until i almost pass out when i get overstimulated. while im glad to know what is "wrong" with me, i'd rather them not treat me like a stupid infant anymore and just see me as a freak/weirdo like they did before. tl;dr i don't think i'm going to disclose to anyone else that i'm a sperg.

No. 1245325

>>1245322
90% of them aren’t even ND and probably bullied people like us in school. Just the cherry. I don’t tell anyone anymore. Secretly trying to acquire a friend group of actual adult high functioning spergs who aren’t socially media obsessed is tiring.

No. 1245335

>>1245325
ayrt, i've basically given up on that. every "neurodiverse" person i meet, i cannot relate to at all. they claim to be autistic but exhibited none of the behaviors or went through any of the discrimination and abuse i suffered. when i mention my ARFID i just get told "just try new foods!!!! it's fun!!!" as if i haven't been trying to for over 2 decades since it manifested when i was a fucking toddler. it seems every normie is trying to call themselves autistic, even my childhood friend who bullied me relentlessly for being "weird and cringe" when we were teens is now saying she is self diagnosing as autistic (i have known her since age 3, the only thing she has is a severe case of BPD). this is kind of becoming an unhinged rant but i just wish i could meet someone i could relate to on any level.

No. 1245341

I feel like everyone on the internet claiming to have ADHD/ADD has made me completely unsure if I have it myself when people have suggested I might. I can't tell if I just can't focus because the world we live in is incredibly distracting, or my brain is weird.

>>1245322
Same. Either people are terminally online and treat it like a cringe baby club, or non-internet normies pity me as if I were one of those nonverbal autistic kids. I used to explain it to people specifically because of the food thing like >>1245335 , but I gave up and just have to deal with people thinking I'm a picky eater because I haven't tried.

No. 1245373

>>1245335
Christ the amount of people who don’t understand AFRAID kills me. Like yes I enjoy being able to eat one side of potatoes for 12 hours because I was so overstimulated I couldn’t handle the sensation of food and eating. It never occurred to me I could just put food in my mouth and swallow?
You rant all you want. I’ll listen. Literally the only reason I haven’t given up is I’ve met one or two women who I get on with and we understand each other. That type of connection is unmatchable in mixed ND and non ND friendships. But I will judge self diagnosing at this point. If you SD we can’t be friends. It’s the fastest way to dodge red flags. No one I know who’s actually autistic is quick to share it or proud of it.

No. 1245782

What do you anons think of the moids with ASD who have sociopathic/narcissistic traits? Do you think they’re incorrectly diagnosed and actually psychos or is this just a moid thing? I’ve seen how coddled these scrotes are firsthand and can’t say that I have any sympathy for them given what young girls with ASD go through.

No. 1246115

>>1235347
I WISH I hyperfocused on my current projects, but no. I have procastination-hyperfocused on bingewatching, wikiwalking about things that make my interest adrenaline jump, and now lolcow as I have discovered this place and find it speaking to me a lot. I'm working with my doc on medication, but so far my body just gets used to the medicine if it's working. The first few days of the latest one were miraculously amazing, I was in total control of myself and managed even cooking without the normal extra burden I have with that gigantic task. This adhd really is a journey to tame…

No. 1246123

>>1245341
I fucking hate the current trend of "ADHD/ADD" accounts on the social media. Really reeks from pathologizing all behavior for own profit with their "buy my book 'You have ADHD if…'!" totally professionally (not) accurate merch advertizing.

No. 1254252

Nonas with ADHD who are medicated, how do you know if your meds actually help you?
I've tried at least 3 different medications for it and feel no difference. Maybe more anxiety. I'm currently on 20 mgs of Ritalin daily and my doctor keeps telling me I should up the dose but it makes me extremely anxious and sleepy. I feel so tempted to drop out of the treatment entirely. It's always the same.

No. 1254289

Anyone trying the NAC antifungal protocol from /x/? I wonder if it will cure my ‘autism’ and homosexuality
https://boards.4channel.org/x/thread/32265578

No. 1254504

>>1245325
Same, nonna, same. Most of my friends have ADHD, so they kind of get it, but they just don't understand the verbal issues and social issues at all. Especially because they all seem to have the talent of verbal diarrhea that nets them easy friends, networking opportunities, and stuff like job interviews.

I've yet to meet an any autists that aren't insufferable tbh. The online ones are unbearable, and the offline ones that I would actually want to befriend are stealth as fuck. Every single autist I've met that has been open about it has been incredibly cowish in general.

No. 1254529

Can someone here help me figure out what this is that I'm experiencing and if it's in line with either ADHD, Autism or Aspergers?

Basically it's super difficult for me to get out of my head and focus on social interactions. I feel like my default state is that I'm thinking about stuff and when I have to switch mindsets (like someone starts talking to me) it's REALLY hard to concentrate on them and follow the conversations. It also doesn't help that I have a super poor memory and I usually ask the same thing several times because I forget everything quickly. People I've been in relationship with often told me that when we meet there's always an initial awkwardness and I act a little distant and hard to reach, but after some time they can feel me warm up. This might actually be due to my stupid attachment style though, because I'm anxious-avoidant and it's always hard to have someone close to me

No. 1254536

>>1254529
here I'll help - who gives a shit
be satisfied with who you are

No. 1254569

>>1254289
Homosexuality is innate, do not let scrotes get you to try stupid shit. If you've got internalized homophobia, being a straight autistic women isn't magically much better.

>>1254529
I'd say to come back to this question and do more general research about presentation of autism and ADHD, especially in women, and see general profiles and other symptoms apply to you. Aspergers as a subset of an autism diagnosis no longer exists, but existing literature and writing on can still be helpful. These are neurodevelopmental disorders and have multiple effects throught someone's life, starting as a child. Comorbidity is common, and your experience could be better described as an anxiety-related issue.

No. 1255013

>>1254529
I'm like this and I'm ADHD/autism.

No. 1255445

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I don't know if this is the wrong thread, but I hope it fits. Anons, do I have ADD or am I just "special"?

>Keep changing tabs all the time, even though I'm not at all finished with what I was looking in the first tab. Because of this I keep a lot of tabs open at the same time

>When I am studying something I don't particularly find engaging, I have to do something else at the same time to be able to concentrate. For example, drawing or playing a simple puzzle game
>Have a really hard time keeping a routine when it doesn't come from an external need, so it's very chaotic when I'm unemployed (like currently)
>Some songs really distract me instead of helping me work. I need to find very specific playlists/bgm for me to work or else I'll get really distracted.
>On the other hand, it's hard for me to work/do serious stuff without some background noise
>At night I take a really long time to sleep, I just have a lot of thoughts racing all the time. I try to count my breathing to help me with this, but it's hard
>Aside from long term memory, I've been really forgetful. If someones cuts me mid sentence, it's not uncommon for me to forget what I was saying
>Also forgetting and losing objects everywhere forgot my fucking Diploma at a copy place, forgot to go get it for 2 weeks
>I have not been engaging in a lot of my hobbies and that's probably because I can't find the motivation to create something that will only give me long term rewards
>On the other hand, there where more than one instance where I had hyperfocus. Most recent being me binging on manga for 7 hours straight instead of sleeping and I actually had something due that day with my nephews I did go, though
>Had some weird mood swings, especially anger. I usually punch my torso to cope or squeeze my nails into my palms if I'm in public I'm trying to work on it
>But I've also been kinda depressed, crying to sleep an stuff
>Keep clicking on apps that have the same color scheme although they have nothing to do with each other, it's so annoying but I do it all the time. Like instead of clicking telegram I'll click on fucking Snow
>Really bad headaches since childhood (idk)
>Impulse buy a lot, but not that much impulsive on anything else
>Pick up a lot of new hobbies or goals, only to drop them
>Really indecisive
>Really disorganized, my boyfriend and parents complain about it all the time
>I don't think I'm that talkative, but I do wander a lot when talking about something
>Have a big problem with time, I would always be late. I think it has gotten a tad bit better though
>A lot of intrusive thoughts
>Really clumsy, I'm always bumping into stuff, to the point of causing me trouble
>Daydream a lot, but not maladaptive, I think? But sometimes I talk to myself as if I am "answering" the daydream character
>Prefer to walk home than keep waiting for a bus in place. It has gotten better since the implementation of internet on phones
>My mom mentioned that she thinks my dad has it
>Took longer than usual to finish my degree
>Repeat myself a lot
>Misophonia (?)
>Random question pops in my mind, needs to immediately check it online, lose a lot of time on wikipedia and the likes
>Struggling to even write this list, didn't do it in one go lol

There's also a lot of other stuff that I am forgetting, but yeah. Here are some points that make me think I might not have it, though:

>Never had a problem in classes/exams/explanations, unless is something complete foreign to me or stuff I don't like, such as math

>I usually really enjoy studying and learning, my main problem is getting started, I guess
>Not generally talkative, I actually kinda hate people that talk too much
>Never had a problem making friends
>I don't react over emotionally, I think
>I'm not usually a fidgety person nor do I move a lot, unless I am anxious. I do have Restless Leg Syndrome, though
>Very focused on details, especially on movies, manga and media like that
>I didn't have many of these problems as a kid, I don't remember struggling like I am now. Was never a "difficult" child or whatever
>Everything got worse after the pandemic, when I became an involuntary NEET, so I don't know if it was something external factoring in.

I know nobody is a doctor, but I don't know. I guess I just want a bit of a guidance before I actually speak to a therapist or something like that. I never talked to one and I must confess I am a bit embarrassed/scared. I'm in my late 20s, btw. Sorry for this long-ass post

No. 1255470

>>1255445
I think this is a comprehensive list of symptoms of being Terminally Online.

No. 1255474

>>1255470
KEK ANON

No. 1255478

>>1255445
Throw your phone over an underpass

No. 1255486

>>1255445
While a lot of your points sound like ADD or maybe even autism, not being able to point to parts of the list as manifesting in childhood is strange. Seeing a therapist and talking it out with a professional is definitely your best bet and if it makes you feel better, there is nothing to worry about. In fact, you'll probably be completely underwhelmed with your first visit. But especially if these have manifested post-pandemic you should talk to someone and don't watch any of those dumb "relatable" ADD content

No. 1255518

>>1255486
Thank you, anon. Some did manifest in childhood, like intrusive thoughts, misophonia, headaches, clumsiness, indecisiveness, daydreaming etcetc, but I think not the "main ones"? I don't remember being super distracted at school. I would still draw a lot during explanations, but that never affected negatively. Somethings I know could be brushed off as my parents' controlling it, like I wasn't late to school because my dad would help me get ready and drive me there, my stuff wasn't super messy because they would help me clean it up or tell me to do it.
>But especially if these have manifested post-pandemic
I think they got worse post pandemic (especially the mood swing stuff and the forgetfulness) but I did notice them all throughout my 20s. Thanks though anon, I don't know why I fear talking to a therapist, I guess it's the stigma more than anything else. Probably if I was living alone I'd do it no problem. I never thought I might have ADD tbh until my mom mentioned that she thought my dad had it, so I went looking for it.

No. 1257096

>>1255470
op's post is tldr so i wont comment on it, but yeah. we will see so many people claiming to have adhd/add because they fucked themselves up in their adult years thanks to smartphones, internet etc. which sucks but is an entirely different issue

No. 1257570

>>1257096
you can look at it the other way that people who are undiagnosed autism/adhd are more likely to become terminally online. normal people don't keep scrolling for hours and will log off and do something else

>>1255445
sounds adhd to me as many of these things were discussed in my assessment

No. 1257981

Wondering what y’alls thoughts on Paige Layle were. On one hand, I like what she’s doing and am glad she’s bringing awareness to autism in women and how that can look different from autism in men. On the other hand, there’s something about her that bothers me. There was an anon who mentioned autistic people having “crazy eyes” or sanpaku eyes and she definitely is a prime example of that. But more than that, she reminds me of a old friend of mine who is autistic and they both have a lot of the same negative traits. Full disclosure, I have adhd not autism so I can’t fully relate to what she’s saying. But it’s been through her that I’ve understood why autism and BPD are so frequently misdiagnosed for one another. It’s the black and white thinking. It’s not enough that someone has done something “bad” by her moral framework, but if they step out of line even a little bit, they are a bad person in their entirety.
I was wondering if any of the autists here saw that in her as well or if y’all relate to her and don’t really see any major issues. Like with vidrel for example. I’m not gonna argue that this Mark guy is making a fantastic representation of autistic people as a whole. However, some of the conclusions she makes about what he’s trying to say and his character in general are baffling to me. To me he just seems like your average neurotypical dad who is still learning about autism but spreading the info he does have to the best ability he can, specifically in regards to his own son (and not all autistic people as a whole). Overall the vid struck me as a good introduction for neurotypical people who are unfamiliar with autism outside of stereotypes and movies, and gives them the opportunity to learn more about it through his own personal experiences with his relatively low-functioning son.
But in this video, she took everything very personally and interpreted everything he said and did through this malicious lens that really annoyed me. It just reminded me of typical rhetoric around social justice issues where a person’s experiences or genuine effort isn’t good enough, and everything must be scrutinized with the harshest of lenses. Maybe it’s because I’m not autistic myself, but I really don’t see what was so bad about his video. I’ve had the experience of being a caretaker for a disabled person and it’s fucking hard. In my specific case, it was not autism, but it still required full time care which a lot of autistic people need (low-functioning especially).
It seems like it has to be one extreme or the other. If caretakers are highlighted in any way, people like this girl get so butthurt and claim you’re taking the focus away from autistic people. But at the same time, caretaking is HARD! Autistic people don’t deserve to feel like they’re some unwanted burden, but at the same time it’s not immoral to point out the very real financial, mental, and emotional BURDEN that is put on the people around them. What, are we just supposed to shut up and take whatever treatment we get - not accounting for the fact that we are also human and also flawed and also have emotional needs? But if autistic people are framed in a positive light, then people like this girl call it “inspiration porn”? What the fuck do you want then exactly? There’s gotta be a balance somewhere.
I’m just rambling at this point, but I was particularly annoyed with this girl and her extremely rigid thinking and unwillingness to extend the same empathy to others that she demands for herself. I was just wondering if other autistic women agreed with her and I’m alone in his criticism, or if you also think she’s projecting some of her own personal shit onto other people

No. 1257992

>>1257981
>"we don't have "special needs"!!"
>proceeds to get being triggered about his representation of sensory overload and complain that his videos don't accommodate autistic people
make it make sense

No. 1258026

It's so hard being friends with my autistic friend because
-she only ever talks about her special interest that I don't really care about, at least not enough to discuss it for 5+ hours
-She is extremely elitist about her way of thinking and won't change her mind about anything. If you don't share her same interests and hobbies she basically sees you as a subhuman npc.
-She has such bad sensory issues so if anything has a slight smell she won't engage with it. The main problem is that eating anything near her leads to catastrophic meltdowns 99% of the time.
-She is dedicated to her routines and a slight change in her lifestyle, again, leads to meltdowns. It's beyond ridiculous, changing her bedsheets is enough to make her cry.
-She is so bad at being around other people we barely go out in public or do anything where other human beings would be
-She gets stressed easily and basically explodes in anger and goes completely catatonic/mute for hours.
-She has a complete lack of ability to understand nuance and sees the world in black and white. Deep conversations are nearly impossible and often lead to frustration because she is incapable of getting any point in trying to make
-her lack of empathy and how she barely gives a shit about anyone other than herself. She treats me the best out of anyone she knows but she still throws me under the bus to save her own skin or takes advantage of me and my trust if it would benefit her in some way.
-feeling like I'm her wrangler more than her friend. Though I know if I ditch her some moid would step in and take full advantage of her.
-She is extremely lazy and filthy but idk if that's the autism. She refuses to get help for any of her symptoms because she doesn't want to put in any effort to fix herself.


The more I think about her the more I think it's not worth it. Not to sound calloused but I just have a deep hatred for all autists atp. I tolerate her because I feel like she needs me but I never ever want to have another autist in my life ever again.

No. 1258104

>>1258026
Nona you're doing too much for her.

What she needs is to be forced to fend for herself. Being autistic has traits that come with it but being an abusive person who takes no responsibility for themselves is not one of them. speaking from experience. You can learn to temper how long you talk, you can care about and empathize with others, you can maintain your hygiene even if unconventionally, you can do everything she isn't doing even if you are autistic without sacrificing your sanity. She doesn't want to try, she is stuck in her hovel of routine and usualness and she's convinced that she is superior and won't do anything.

You can be autistic and a miserable, awful person. If you imagine these traits on someone non autistic not a lot changes. Refuses to try, only cares about themselves and their interests, and so on.

I know you worry about a moid stepping in but you can not waste your life on this woman. It's not worth it. You're not her girlfriend. I know it's easier said than done but even in spite of the melt down she will have you've got to cut her off.

She's used to you being there and she is not going to change for you or anyone else. Please take care of yourself because it doesn't have to be like this.

No. 1258150

>>1257981
She seems like cow material. But honestly I feel like a lot of autists are, and it bothers me because it's hard finding someone on the spectrum who is moderate.
To be honest I understand her to some extent. People with autism have their own moral codes about the world that they stick to since a lot of social rules fly over their heads. But I think there's a lack of self awareness to her that makes her insufferable. I think it's what makes a lot of autists insufferable tbh.
> t. an autist

No. 1258476

>>1258026
To be honest I don't see how it's possible to have a fulfilling friendship with someone like that. You can't go out, you can't have deep conversation, you can't eat around her, her interests are narrow and not interesting to you… What are you even getting out of this 'friendship'?

No. 1259062

Nonnies, what made you realize you might have ADHD/ADD? I'm not sure if I have it, or have just been tricked by the internet into thinking I might.

No. 1259592

>>1259062
when i failed colleges to semesters in a row because I was struggling to finish any task. Couldn't even do a 300 word essay on time. And then I listened to my friend who is doing better try to get a diagnosis. Then i went online and looked at what people with ADD get to help and I was like "holy shit, i need this".
I was always labelled as having "disorganization/time" problems but never got checked for it because my school was too poor to care about those. I could cope in highschool but i crashed and burn in college. There was no way I could make it to work without a diagnosis.
Idk if I turn out to just be another person tricked by the internet because i genuinely need the counseling i got for ADD.

No. 1264289

>>1259062
realizing that caffeine calms me down and doesn't energize me and that it isn't normal

No. 1265542

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Does presenting as feminine .or otherwise attractive, help with not being perceived as not autistic? Obviously you need to look like you practice basic hygiene and not look like you didn’t roll out of dumpster but I was wondering if being feminine makes people perceive your sperging differently somehow

No. 1265580


No. 1265584

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I got sucked into the obsession of categorizing my artbook folder which is massive + looking for some borderline lost media, but I should be studying 8 hours a day for my finals in a month

How do I pull myself out of a hyperfixation? The sad thing is that I'm into some niche games nobody cares about and a lot of the old fan sites with translations are deleted now, so I want to preserve stuff on time

No. 1265593

>>1264289
Caffeine doesn't do shit to me either. I used to drink 8-10 cups of tea/coffee a day, and more if I was anxious because it'd help a bit. Never got the jitters. Now I drink coffee because I like how it tastes. I don't know whether I have ADHD or it's just internet-induced insanity and it doesn't matter anyway because I'll never be able to get my hands on adderall.

No. 1265600

>>1265593
are you me, nonny? i have the same problem with coffee. also alcohol, which makes me super sleepy. i've been trying for years to get counseling, but every time i get rejected because they're full already.

No. 1265616

Can mental retardation be cured? Only serious answers. And if it can be cured, what should we do?

No. 1265639

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>thread turned into "I'm kinda awkward sometimes do I have autism?"

please…

No. 1265653

>>1265639
I’m asking you how I can stop being retarded

No. 1265666

>>1265616
There is no known cure for autism, I'm sure you know that already.

No. 1265679

>>1265666
No not autism but for low iq. I wanna get better at maths and stuff…and word choices…

No. 1265725

>>1265679
Play brain age and eat vegetables and nuts. There is no flowers for algernon brain fix

No. 1265949

>>1265725
anon could try nootropics?

No. 1265977

Has anyone else experienced autistic burnout here? I hate being an autist sometimes and that things that non autistic find easy are so difficult for me.

No. 1265981

>>1265542
I present pretty femme and I get treated better overall by my peers. But when you're a female autist, unconventionally/conventionally attractive you attract weirdos who think they can take advantage of you.

No. 1265982

>>1265949
Nootropics? Risky and not permanent? I wanna try the healthy eating habits but plenty of smart or average people who eat healthy. Should I just learn every day and practice maths daily in combination with a healthy lifestyle? Can I boost my 40 iq to 140? Inshallah

No. 1266014

>>1265982
Keep your brain and body active. Daily exercise keeps your brain and body healthy, and learning new things can help you grow as a person. Some things might be harder to learn and that's okay, as long as you're improving, you're doing good.

No. 1266637

>>1266014
I want to learn the skill to learn

No. 1266733

Once again got isolated and villainized after ranting and just being weird in a group setting. How do I stop this pattern? I always get comfortable too fast and end up hurting myself as a result.

No. 1266764

>>1266637
Anon, IQ doesn’t change like that unless you’re a tween, and even that is not as simple as it sounds. And who cares? 140 IQ people don’t do much with their IQ anyway. Unless they’re slightly sociopathic.
But if you want to be able to learn better, there are plenty of ways to do so. 2blue1brown is great for maths, for example. I’d say to pick an area that seems fun or interesting to you and then pick up one or two beginner books, and then build up on your knowledge. And delve into communities foe these areas online, they really help keep you active.

No. 1266823

>>1265584
Anon, would you be able to share your folder? This sound like a gold mine I would like to explore, kek.

No. 1267124

>>1266637
I found some online free course called Learning How to Learn. I never actually took it but I think it helps you learn what methods are best for you. Maybe you can look it up and check it out

No. 1267138

>>1265542
Going overly feminine when it is unnatural to you (makeup, heels, etc.) seems like it would appear like a costume. Wearing more feminine clothes like skirts and dresses you like and clothes in general that flatter you, just appearing put together can make it not as obvious you are on the spectrum on first glance.

>>1265977
I'd say I burnt out after high school but still pushed through college when I could have benefited from a break to please my parents.

>>1266637
If you struggle with learning math, that's common among non-autistic people too who have strengths in other fields like writing. If you want to get better at learning, just focus on what you find interesting in other fields. But if you want to do math specifically check out khanacademy, and make sure you have fundamentals down.

No. 1267284

>>1266733
I find posting my rants online helps me avoid saying them offline. I also try to keep quiet around other people unless I am sure I won't embarrass myself. It does mean I get bullied for being "stuck up" but at least that is less cringey.

Sorry, there isn't really a solution for this. Autists just suck in group settings and should avoid them as much as possible.

No. 1267302

>>1265542
I'm clean but I abandoned alot of feminine touches years ago. Felt like I just wasn't being authentic to myself. I also noticed that the more effort I put in.. the more I actually felt self conscious about my clothing choices? I wear pretty basic all black clothing every day now. Kind of androgynous too. Works out better for me.

No. 1267776

Thanks for the resources I’m too lazy to (you) you all but thnx.
>>1266764
I just don’t want to be retarded anon. Long story short, I’ve lived like a feral child almost and as a result I have the mental capacity of a child and I wish I were trolling. There’s hints of self-awareness at genius levels but it’s only that. I’m aware I’m an actual retard and trust me I don’t have anxiety. There’s just so much I should learn and while I did learn some of the skills skills I’ve acquired in the past year kind of fast, too many remained just unlearned or untouched. I’ve just lived an oblivious lonely isolating life and it took a toll on my brain long ago. Plus 4chan to feed my social needs…it ultimately gave me brain cancer and I don’t really deserve it because I admit I’m shit and retarded and would really like to improve. Reading science papers on how the brain is plastic really gives me hope. Preferably I’d like to be the best of the best and if that’s not possible the best of one of the best and it’s because I want to apologize to the entire world for being a wasteful retarded piece of shit that threw away any of the potentials left.

No. 1267845

My med doctor told me she thinks I should be evaluated but I'm kind of resisting it. I don't want that label, I don't know. A diagnosis would just be something in the medical record that would be there forever.

No. 1268129

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Sorry if this is repetitive but are there any nonitas here with both the 'tism and Bipolar II?
>asperger diagnosis and dyshtmia for a long time
>fuck up for most of my life.
>I'll have some phases were I'm working on too many things but never finish anything before an inevitable crash comes
>I become depressed and suicidal. Rinse&repeat
>also had a hypersexual phase where I had a lot unprotected sex with different people.
>month at psych ward after alcohol abuse and suicide attempt with barely any care afterwards

I was feeling horrible for weeks when I suddenly had a flood of ispiration and wanted to do all kinds of things again. Then I realized this is 1.dumb 2.not normal? Like how does one go from doing nothing but cry and play a farming sim to thinking they can suddenly just…do things and not fail this time? Then I thought "is this what they call a manic episode"??? Well

the problem is that having manic (or more likely hypomanic) episodes are the only times I feel functioning and "active". But I always do too much without realizing how unrealistic it all is . I feel like a retard for just realizing this is a pattern I've been repeating for all my life.

No. 1269263

>>1267776
> it’s because I want to apologize to the entire world for being a wasteful retarded piece of shit
But you don’t have to. You don’t owe it to the world. You’re not wasteful, most people are average, and the best barely do anything with their IQ anyway.

No. 1272527

>>1268129
you sound like me

No. 1273150

>>1198440
I was diagnosed autistic as a child and recently a new psychiatrist I've been seeing has said I was misdiagnosed and said all my autistic traits are caused by the fact that my parents and siblings died when I was a baby (I have no memory of this, it doesn't affect me) and I feel really upset at this. It's made me feel alienated because I've always put my lack of fitting in down to autism, and that was my place of belonging. My boyfriend told me that this psychiatrist is a hack and that I'm very obviously on the spectrum, and my Grandma essentially said the same. I'm also upset that what happened to my family is being put as this huge thing that should deeply affect me essentially because everyone has done that all my life and in this situation I'm really hurt. I'm not sure what to do and I'd really like some advice from anyone ITT.

No. 1273252

I think I got diagnosed today. 2nd psych in 2 months pinned me as autistic separately. Always suspected but figured I learned it from my autistic parent. Lots of autism in my family. I didnt take any particular test though. Other ppl through my life have accused me of autism but they weren't doctors or anything so whatever. But makes sense.

No. 1273790

>>1273150
cPTSD (even if you don’t remember anything) and autism do have some crossover but I would get a second opinion or ignore the diagnosis. Saying that, looking at some cPTSD resources by yourself to see if you find anything helpful might be useful. It doesn’t really matter the label as long as you are getting support.

No. 1274206

>>1273790
Thank you. I've been tested for it before when I was younger and also looked through resources now. I still feel like it does not apply. I'm going to get a second opinion, and see the turn out. Part of me feels biased and like I almost want to be told this was wrong and I am autistic because it is something I feel ended up becoming apart of my identity, and was the only box I fit in, in a world where I don't fit in at all. I will mention the possibility of cPTSD when getting this second opinion

No. 1274395

>>1274206
I'm pretty sure you can have both so could also be that.

No. 1276807

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Going through the workbook called Living Well on the Spectrum and it has this chart some of you might find helpful about causes for issues at home.

No. 1276862

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Has anyone watched that show Love on The Spectrum? It was recommended to me and was mildly offended at first when it was.
I watched the first two eps though and didn't hate it I guess, though still have some issues with it. It definitely solidified my dislike of autistic moids though and why I could never date one again. At least the girls were somewhat relatable.

No. 1277006

>>1276862
I think it was nice overall but felt a little bit too, hmm, infantilizing? It's about adult people but the way things are described and that cutesy music, I don't know… it's pleasant to watch but kinda weird, as we're not watching real humans' romantic struggles but some cute animals.

No. 1277034

>>1277006
That's a good word for it. I also hated how Micheal's mom always laughed at him and treated him like some kind of zoo monkey, as annoying as autist moids are just like not taking what your son says seriously and laughing everything off is pretty shitty imo.
I also felt like the producer/whomever was behind the camera kind of led them on with infantilizing questions. It felt like Kids Say the Darndest Things in that regard. Just asking very obvious questions to see what funny or weird responses they'd give back.

No. 1277056

>>1276862
I haven’t watched this but I feel like unscripted reality tv in general preys upon people who are lower class, less educated, or in this case, too trusting or vulnerable. I definitely get the zoo animal vibe just from the description.

No. 1277386

Fellow anons how do you stop the "stimming", as some call it? It's just annoying to everyone and it irritates me because it hurts a little after a while, but my body says do it.
>>1258026
sounds less like autism and more like a personality disorder, or could just be her being a shitty person in general. drop it nona.

No. 1277467

I'm getting kinda annoyed with all of the AuDHD people everywhere or people who insist ADHD is just a form of autism, or that AuDHD will be it's own diagnosis one day. I understand it's comorbid but that range is between 30-80% so obviously needs a LOT more research but it weirdly feels like sort of an invalidation or "othering" of those of us who are just autistic, if that makes sense. This in particular seems to come from mostly those with diagnosed ADHD (or self-diagnosed, if we're being honest) that seem unhappy with a "boring" diagnosis and want to add autism for spice. Plus there is no medication for autism so that might be more intriguing to them, not to mention that ADHD is more openly accepted than autism is. Or they are self-diagnosed autistic but think that's too embarrassing to fake/are scared of getting called out so they add in the ADHD. But it's mucking up so much of the autism-only spaces that I'm getting really frustrated, because for every symptom and problem you talk about in regards to your autism, some ADHDer or AuDHDer will pop in like "aCkShUaLlY that IS a sign of ADHD".

You don't need to have both to feel special, it's okay to be just autistic or just have ADHD. Jesus.

No. 1277675

>>1277467
The more I read here the more obvious it is to me that autism and ADHD are not related at all and have very little in common. We should have separate threads.

No. 1279449

how did you learn to fit into social settings? even in online forums i still feel like I get treated like I'm weird

No. 1280989

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Autistic burnout is hitting me hard, I can't put up with the noise around me, on the street and at work, the growing expectations at work, the constantly changing housemates, some of them literal retards with brains fried from drugs or alcohol, the fact I can't be alone in my room, the fact I have to constantly mask in order not to get weird stares, the fact that sometimes other coworkers are being treated better than me literally because I'm not as communicative as them, the fact it's so easy for others to form relationships which makes their lives a whole lot easier and everyone succeeds but I only fail, no matter how hard I try and how badly I ruin my health for the sake of trying. I can't stand being around my coworkers anymore, usually one of them gives me a ride home when we finish so late but today I was so overstimulated and pissed off I just had to take a walk, even though it's quite dangerous walking here at midnight, but I just had to. It was a cringe situation too, because she asked me if I want a ride in front of everyone, when they were having a smoke outside and I was passing them by, and I said no thank you and they stared at me and one person asked me why and I was just like Idk I have to walk, and I basically ran away. It felt like I was blowing off my cover. Now at home, I've been sitting in the bathroom for an hour, just to be in space where there's me and me only. I really don't know how to survive this

No. 1285307

How do I stop stimming and looking like a retard with muscle spasms?

No. 1285449

I got put on Bupropion/Wellbutrin for autism and general depression and I felt like absolute shit on them (took them for about a month) and now that I'm off of them I feel like death as well. The medication made me lose a lot of weight even though I was already underweight and it all feels so surreal to me rn. And whenever I read online that Wellbutrin is so easy to get off of I feel absolutely insane and that I'm imagining things. Has anyone had similar experiences?

No. 1285583

>>1277386
I switch stims if I'm able to do so. Like if I get a friction burn from rubbing my arm too much, I'll flap my hands instead or wear something different on my arm. Switching stims can be really tough when you're into it, or if you don't have a lot of stims your body likes.

No. 1289788

>>1226597
This sounds like woowoo crusty mum bs, you're just a junkie

No. 1294055

>>1257981

I recently came across this girl on YouTube (on a video unrelated to this situation) and there's something incredibly offputting about her that I can't quite put my finger on. This is going to sound retarded but in my head, autism has always been a sign that a person has some…substance?? to them, and this girl looks like she could be in a sorority. Maybe I'm biased against conventionally attractive people, but I still haven't met a single girl who looks like a middle school bully who hasn't been an asshole, had the depth of a teaspoon, or both. To be honest if I were to say "but you don't look autistic" to ANYONE it would be her (although I guess anons are right about the eyes). It's like when conventionally attractive people make those videos like "what to do when you feel ugly" that are like…are you sure you're qualified to be speaking on this? I guess she's palatable for normies though so that's good for raising awareness

No. 1294066

>>1294055
Anon you aren't alone. As a generally unattractive autistic woman who has been bullied about my looks my whole life I am not happy about these ridiculously pretty autism fakers. Obviously I know not everyone has the same sort of issues as it's a spectrum but as a woman who can't tolerate the feel of makeup, doesn't have the coordination to do anything with my hair, who has to wear ugly yet comfortable clothing in order to exist, struggles with basic hygiene, it's annoying to see a girl who looks like she would've bullied me in middle school for the aforementioned problems I have talk about this stuff. If I made a video about autism zero people would watch or care about me and I'd get posted to here or KiwiFarms to get laughed at. People only want to hear what pretty people have to say.

No. 1294078

>>1294066
Unrelated to autism but I just saw some pretty blonde girl on Twitter go viral for her cancer struggle. I thought to myself, why her and not the millions of other sufferers? I also came across some pretty blonde disabled girl with fucked up hands on instagram one time who was grating and condescending as shit and spewing a lot of harmful rhetoric about disability, but of course got praised for being so stunning and brave..literally.
This happens so often and it bothers me too, as someone who struggled similarly to you

No. 1294135

>>1198440
I struggle with adhd symptoms but I’ve never been diagnosed I recently started using MODAFINIL to help me focus at work as I work from home and noticed a huge difference but I’m struggling to find a reputable source for buying more ? Looking at Reddit it’s all fake reviews and dodgy companies now does anyone here have any good sources for buying it ? I’m in the uk

No. 1294166

Asked this in the stupid questions thread but got no answer. Could it be an autism thing that it took me a long time to sink in that one has to have a work persona at work where you have to project an image of professionalism and a kind of…perfection?

No. 1294177

>>1294166
It took you long time because it's not true, nothing to do with autism. Are you trying to self-diagnose here?

No. 1294185

>>1294177
>it's not true, nothing to do with autism
Oh. Okay.
>Are you trying to self-diagnose here?
Yes, based on a hunch. Is this thread only for those who have been officially diagnosed?

No. 1294302


No. 1294314

>>1294055
>>1294066
I don't make videos but if you met me, you might say the same things about me based on how I look as part of my masking is having ridiculously high standards for personal appearance. I'm a late diagnosis so I've spent my whole life pushing down feelings of discomfort regarding makeup, clothes, social interactions because I felt like I was the problem and just had to power through. Since being diagnosed I'm being a bit kinder to myself but it's hard to be me when I've spent my whole life ignoring my needs and often pretending I'm not having a huge meltdown inside.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make is women who don't look autistic are probably likely to have been taken advantage by many people, by fake friends and especially men sexually. You can be accepted into social circles and still treated like trash because you have no social skills but be too autistic to realize it. It's really not anything to envy and I actually wish I had been ugly or not felt such pressure to obsessively prioritize my looks and fitting in over everything else in my life, including grades, personal comfort, etc.

I don't mean this to be a "poor me" post but I just wanted to show things from the other side.

No. 1294449

>>1294314
I get what you mean about pushing down your discomfort your whole life, anon. We sound kind of similar. My parents had no interest in getting my problems checked out when I was a kid and would just punish me for showing my discomfort with anything outwardly, so learned to always put a lot of effort into my appearance even though it takes a lot out of me and I really have to force it.

No. 1294737

>>1294166
Not understanding people act differently in different settings, public vs. private does seem like a social mistake an autistic person would make but going off of that alone is not enough to question if you are possibly autistic. What are other social struggles do you have? Do you have any sensory sensitivities, like with clothing or being a picky eater? Have these patterns existed since you were a child? This site has many different articles and quizzes, poke around. https://embrace-autism.com/

If you seriously intend on getting a professional diagnosis if more symptoms match with your history, then you don't need to say you are going to self-diagnose. It's better to pursue a professional diagnosis but I understand for many the cost is prohibitive or if they present differently (like mask pretty well) it may be unclear. I got a pretty good neuropsych to do my testing and he diagnosed me with autism, even though my results weren't the clearest (I am "high-functioning"). If you don't have a specific need for the diagnosis or aren't obsessive, choosing to research more about autism and technically "self-diagnosis" should be fine.

No. 1294744

I will always be disappointed that I put off pursuing an autism diagnosis because I was scared of my parents' reaction. I didn't (and still don't) believe they'd react well to it, probably with shame or denial. I was diagnosed last year and didn't tell them, but this was years after it would have been helpful when I was still in college. In a time of need (I couldn't pay on my own) I couldn't trust them and that hurts.

No. 1295072

Had a memory recently
>Be a teenager
>Have a friend with really abusive, bigoted parents
>I'm talking the fat white Republican American stereotype.
>Racist, homophobic, and ableist against tards too
>Says all are abominations that will go to hell
>Friend wants me to come over
>Am terrified of making a first impression on her parents
>She says to try my best, I give in
>I meet her parents, try to act as normal as possible
>Mom is polite to me and shows me her artwork
>Think everything went fine
>Fast forward a few days later
>"Yeah anon my mom asked if you were special ed because you really freaked her out for some reason"
>Refuse to ever go over again
>Parents get mad at friend 1 for telling me what they said about me

>Another time, mutual friend goes over friend 1's house

>Really quirky, confident, openly lesbian
>Recently shaved her head
>Weird as fuck and shameless about it
>Later learn that it went great and friend 1's parents loved her
>Are you fucking kidding me

Why me. Why do I come off like a tard no matter what I do. I swear people can just smell it on you, even if you have female socialization and years of experience you'll just radiate this aura that lets normies know to stay the fuck away.

No. 1295660

>>1295072
>be slightly awkward meeting new friend's parents
>parents unnecessarily tell daughter their unkind opinion of you
>daughter shares unpleasant comment with you
>you are seen as the one lacking social skills

Why are NTs like this? If an autist said something like this it would be chalked up to the autism causing bad social skills and someone NT would scold them for it.

No. 1314129

Is it possible that I'm autistic if I was a normal, well-adjusted, sociable kid? My personality and behavior did a 180 when I hit puberty, and it hasn't really changed now that I'm well into adulthood.

I remember being 15 at the hospital and spending hours every day trying to figure out how door locks work, for example. Or I would read a book and when I didn't understand a word or a sentence, I would spend an entire week just thinking about it. I was constantly zoning out and staring off into the distance while trying to understand the world around me… It was a very weird time

No. 1314135

>>1314129
First, autism is a developmental disorder so no.
Second, why would you be autistic for any of that? It's just normal human things. You think you're oh so special for… staring and pondering the world? Fuck outta here

No. 1314143

>>1314135
You don't have to be mean, nonnie. I never said I was special, I'm just trying to figure out what this phase was because it wasn't just 'staring and thinking', it was obsessive and I couldn't control it.

No. 1314144

>>1314143
Samefag, it lasted for several years until I was put on medication (Risperdal). The psychiatrist never told me what the meds were for. This has left me so confused and frustrated.

No. 1314150

>>1314143
>You don't have to be mean, nonnie
Oh but I like to

No. 1314183

>>1314150
Seek therapy then

No. 1314190

>>1314183
My therapy is shitposting on lolcow

No. 1314295

>>1314129
Yes, it is possible. Young kids are less likely to pick up on social differences and depending on who you were friends with, can be very accepting of everyone.

No. 1315824

>>1314135
Imagine being autistic AND a mega bitch. Your life must be difficult

No. 1334458

Any nonnas here tried weaponizing their autism regarding the troon brigade? A decade ago before trans gained traction, I was able to get away with "not understanding" the concept because I was Autistic and a "literal thinker". I was able to frame pronoun changes as ableist and unreasonable expectations while I still knew my college friends, but I'm not sure if that will work as well in 2022 with new people than it did back in 2012.

No. 1334475

>>1334458
I've considered doing it but it wouldn't work for long because people would soon notice I'm not actually THAT retarded socially. Same goes for being ESL, people believe it at first but then start questioning why I'd be unable to handle pronouns when my English isn't otherwise too bad.

No. 1334506

>>1334475
Almost wish we could go back to the days when if someone dared question your English you could just jokingly call them racist and they'd be too embarrassed to press further.
I'm kind of afraid that there are too many autistic handmaidens to get away with it nowadays since I knew autistic TIFs back in the day and they tried really hard to get me on the pronoun train. I am retarded enough that pronouns are a struggle, but was considering playing up my retardation to get out of trying at all.

No. 1334551

I have a question for my fellow ADHD enjoyers
It can’t be officially diagnosed in adults in my country, amphetamines aren’t prescribed either, so I’m a bit stuck in a limbo. My psychiatrist told me, that I have it for sure, but he can’t do shit, besides giving me nootropics and antidepressants. I’m mostly hyperactive, so I was prescribed fucking Valium in hopes it will calm me down enough, but that shit is too addictive, so I stopped filling my prescription a long time ago. Phenibut makes me angry, non-benzo anxiolytics don’t work on me, I’ve even tried kratom and microdosing mushrooms with no luck.
My question is: how the fuck do you cope without meds or therapy? The former will cost a fortune, since it’s near impossible to find a therapist, who knows shit about ADHD. I can’t be social, can’t hold a normal job, my mind is too fast and nothing seems to be able to stop it from running places.

No. 1334573

>>1334551
It's not ideal but I've been drinking coffee to reduce my ADHD symptoms and focus on daily tasks. It works… a little. Apparently that's a common cope before diagnosis but ymmv on efficacy.

No. 1334596

>>1334573
I can’t drink coffee anymore, unfortunately, because of the mountain of drugs I have to take for unrelated reasons. Green tea is off-limits too, but, yeah, I’ve used to drink it a lot to calm down. Weird how it goes

No. 1334598

>>1334596
Oh damn, is that all stimulants, or just coffee and green tea? iirc stimulants have an opposite effect on ADHDfags which is why so many self-medicate with coffee or sometimes harder drugs.

No. 1334620

>>1334598
I took kratom no problem, so I think it’s only coffee and tea, they somehow interact with some of my meds, which sucks ass, tbh. Self-medication is a big thing for ADHD and other mental illnesses. I’ve tried amphetamine once and thought: “huh, why am I so calm and focused all of a sudden?” It felt so fucking great, it’s a shame stimulants are illegal and not all that great for you.

No. 1334648

>>1334551
I got you anon. You’re going to start pushing your brain in the right directions.
>> high protein breakfast
This helps you focus and is especially important in women with adhd.
>> drink enough water
Dehydration can impact cognitive function performance by up to 20%
>>touch based scheduling for chores and tasks.
Make it a goal to do something a certain amount of times not at an exact time. Example you need to wash your clothes and do the dishes and study for a test? Say I need to touch the dishes twice. Once to load. Once to unload. The goal is simple now and easy to remember. Touch dishwasher. Same thing for the other tasks. It’s easier to me personally than trying to have exact times and hitting executive dysfunction because one everything derails I’m fucked.
>> caffeine as a stimulant. 30 mins before high attention tasks.
Think two cups of coffee or a large iced matcha. If you’re only using caffeine when you need to focus and don’t build up a tolerance the two cups of strong coffee temporarily are comparable to a low dose of stimulant medication.
>>dopamine detoxes.
Have to give my brain breaks and stay away from endless hyper active scrolling because it eats my dopamine without giving me proper stimulation. Combining this with working to train my brain to focus again on certain important tasks helps a lot.
There’s also herbs and stuff to help if you want.

No. 1334660

>>1334648
nayrt but holy shit thank you nonna, this list is amazing!

No. 1334683

>>1334648
Oh, god, you’re amazing, thank you so much! Coffee isn’t for me, but everything else I’ll try for sure. I tend to do stuff, when I’m waiting for something, since it fills time and I can make a game out of it. For example, how fast can I put laundry in the washing machine, while my dinner is in the oven. It helps, but it’s still hard to push myself to do stuff, so I’ll try your method too.
And does it have to be breakfast? I can’t eat in the morning, since my meds make me dizzy. I’ve literally vomited before and had to take additional dose because of it.

No. 1334702

>>1334683

>> And does it have to be breakfast? I can’t eat in the morning, since my meds make me dizzy.

If you can’t eat breakfast could you have a high protein snack before bed. Think like a handful of nuts and a boiled egg. It’s the best I can think of or if you could stomach a shake with your choice of protein in it. Meds in the morning and vomiting fucking suck. I’m sorry anon.
>> I can make a game out of it.
I do this too! I also if I’m really into a book or show or something will try to incorporate “playing pretend” into household tasks. Example say you’re really into a new fantasy show in a castle. Well now I’m a maid and I’m trying to impress the head steward who was cute on tv and I might struggle to sweep the floor but she doesn’t. Kek
You can also invent competitions or games with other people when you’re out too. Like if you have to study or you want to go write a book you can “compete” to last longer than a stranger you don’t have to even talk to to help drive you at the library or coffee shop. Same thing at the gym with working out.

No. 1334795

>>1334702
I take like 15 different pills every single day, but that’s what you get for being mentally ill.

>>Think like a handful of nuts and a boiled egg.

My Nigel is a bodybuilder, so I always have protein shakes at home. Don’t like it much, but I’ll stomach it, if it actually helps.

>>You can also invent competitions or games with other people when you’re out too.

Sounds fun! I’m competitive as fuck, so it’s a perfect advice for me.
Thanks, you were honestly more helpful than my psychiatrist <3

No. 1334868

>>1334795
Good luck anon. I’m glad I could help. ♥

No. 1334899

I got diagnosed with autism (former Asperger's to be more precise) a few days ago and I'm very confused. In the report and the results zoom call I had with the doctors, they did mention I could also have Schizoid, Avoidant and Depressive PD, but because according to the current DSM criteria you can't be diagnosed with both autism and a PD, I'm just autistic I guess lol
Is that even possible? Are my doctors just hacks?
Also, I mentioned to them several times that from the end of my adolescence I lost all interest in my previous hobbies and currently I don't feel pleasure in anything and I'm constantly bored. Isn't that incompatible with autism criteria? I always felt like SPD made a lot more sense for me. Any nonnas have similar feelings/diagnosis experiences?

No. 1334921

Someone made a comment towards me that I might have some undiagnosed form of mild autism and it got me thinking if I do
>when talking to myself, I repeat statements over and over again until my brain is satisfied for no reason at all
>when I get into something, I get really into it and I think about it all the time and dedicate little journals and scrapbooks to these interests
>was a borderline hermit as a kid and never liked interacting with kids my own age, I preferred to talk to teachers and other adults (got called an old soul a lot)
>was a gifted, well read kid with advanced vocabulary
>some noises make me want to go apeshit like if an insect buzzes in my ear, I feel like ripping a door off its hinges
>certain fabrics and textures make me want to die (fuck vinyl)
>if I'm doing a task, I won't eat or sleep until I finish it, especially if it's something I want to do, but if I ever get interrupted, it'll never get finished no matter what
>still kind of suck my thumb idk it's comforting maybe I wasn't held enough as a baby
>I don't have the stereotypically bluntness and low empathy but I am hyper empathic
>I feel like I don't have my own personality, I just mirror other people
>and the icing and sprinkles on top is that I heavily relate to characters that have autism or are autism coded

No. 1334958

>>1334899
>according to the current DSM criteria you can't be diagnosed with both autism and a PD
idk but I've seen alot of women (online at least) claim that they're diagnosed with both bpd and tism.

No. 1334980

>>1334899
For what it's worth, I was diagnosed with autism at a very young age and with clear regressive symptoms. I have a few strong interests but a lot of my old interests have faded over time. Even with my few persisting interests, I'm not as insanely autistic (lol) about them as I used to be. I pretty much pass as a normie these days but I hate being around people and can never emotionally connect to them so I avoid them. Never been diagnosed with a PD even after seeing a lot of doctors.

No. 1334985

>>1334899
You can’t have antisocial and autism anon. You can have any other combo, but the parts of the brain impacted have to do two different things for antisocial and autism that aren’t compatible. SPD is more common in high functioning autistic than the other disorders. The loss of special interest may be burn out

No. 1334987

>>1334921
Over active cognitive empathy can be a sign of high functioning autism as a cope for naturally low emotional empathy.

No. 1334991

>>1334899
Are we the same person nona?? I went to 2 different psychs, 1st was a woman who'd diagnosed me with adhd and 2nd was a man who told me he adhd and than proceeded to tell me how he also wanted me to have adhd, but then diagnosed me as autistic. 2nd one, post diagnosis, than tells me about the autistic traits i don't have and said it was a spectrum anyways. personally, feel like im neither of these diagnosis, they both had these generic mental illness personality + iq tests that anyone could finish in 30mins, it was weird.
Have you noticed how much autism has become a meme everywhere online for like 3 years now? Seems like the psychs are hyperdiagnosing it, sorry for tinfoiling, but they probably get paid extra to diagnose it in patients now

No. 1335002

>>1334958
>online
Yeah, I wouldn't trust them (see Pixielocks).
>>1334980
I didn't know about regressive symptoms, thanks for the info.
>I hate being around people and can never emotionally connect to them so I avoid them. Never been diagnosed with a PD even after seeing a lot of doctors.
Maybe you're the loner autistic type?
>>1334985
I never mentioned antisocial. Unless you mean asocial as in Schizoid? I was diagnosed as level 1 - high functioning.
>burn out
Even if it's been more than 10 years?
>>1334991
>they both had these generic mental illness personality + iq tests that anyone could finish in 30mins
AYRT and same here. They did have an interview with my mom, but to be fair most of the childhood symptoms they categorized as autistic (weird interests, loner, anxious at school) seem pretty normal to me.
And all the other symptoms I currently have can be explained by the clear anxiety disorder I've had all my life and SPD. Either the psychs are purposely overdiagnosing or the DSM is at fault. Seems like a very confusing and ineffective way of diagnosing. Now I understand the many people who say psych diagnosis are a meme, apart from obvious shit like schizophrenia.
You're right, autism is becoming a meme too.

No. 1335016

>>1335002
>weird interests, loner, anxious at school
Yeah, that definitely isn't an autism-specific thing. Just sounds like you were an introverted kid. Behaviors like lack of eye contact and repetitive movements are probably more definitive.

No. 1335094

>>1334899
A lot of women get diagnosed with a PD when they actually have autism. The bored thing is normal if you don't have a special interest.

>>1334921
Sounds like autism to me.

>>1335016
Anxious at school can be because they didn't understand the unspoken rules and were afraid of doing something wrong, which is very autistic. Loner because they didn't interact socially in a correct way. Weird interests is a very autistic thing too. Obviously not only autism has these like you say but not all autists are bad at eye contact or have repetitive motions or stims either.

No. 1335113

>>1335094
True. Understanding the reason for those characteristics is important and like you said, not all autistic people display those traits either. It's a spectrum after all.

No. 1335138

>>1335002
I know you didn’t. You said the DSM said you can’t have a PD and Autism but last I checked the only two you can’t have is antisocial and autism. So you may have autism and SPD.
And yes burn out is caused by damage to the neurons and nervous system with enough stress they can take time to repair or may not repair leading in severe cases to years long burn outs.

No. 1335211

>>1198440
The Schizoid chad vs the virgin autist(bait)

No. 1335215

Does anyone else think that women with autism are morally superior to other people? It's pretty obvious to me tbh

No. 1335220

Good thread (^_^)b( (^_^)b)

No. 1335222

When I got diagnosed for ADHD/ADD I also got a test for autism but I feel like the questions I got were clearly made for a male child or something. I do have ADD and consider myself to be neurodivergent, not a label I'm proud of but it helps me understand my own needs as a person. I've been slowly warming up to the idea that I might have autism too, been thinking this since I was about 14. I don't like socializing, I had a brief period where I forced myself to do it but now I find more confort in my house without having to see people. Etc I'm too lazy to list all the shit I do but you get the gist, I might not be the most autistic out there but I deffo feel like there's some traits in me. I will never know I guess

No. 1335225

>>1335215
I never think I'm the least bit moral until I hear Nigel or my family speak. It's like non-autists tend towards opportunism and I just can't keep up.

No. 1335231

>>1335222
I'm the same with socializing and I was also told at my ADHD assessment that I'm probably on the spectrum too.

It's weird, I don't enjoy the company of most people as I find them boring, dumb, or self centered, but I still get jealous of people who have lots of contacts. I can't imagine what it must be like to be able to call up people and have them care about you or want to help you. I can't even do that with my own family.

No. 1335234

>>1335225
I know, it's so disgusting. That's why I don't have any non-autistic friends.

No. 1335239

I'm autistic, and my sister has been evaluated for autism in the past, but was never diagnosed. Still, she clearly has a lot of autistic traits. She says she doesn't have autism and that they are just a symptoms of ADHD instead.

I have been trying to convince her to get evaluated for autism for years, but she always refuses. She says she doesn't want to be diagnosed with something that's "cringey". But the thing is, autism isn't a disease. It's a neurological condition that can't be cured, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

It's like she's in denial about who she is. She's not comfortable with the idea of being autistic, but that's her own issue, not mine. I just wish she would accept herself for who she is.

Any advice for how I can get her to get evaluated again?

No. 1335240

>>1335225
NTA but the autistic trait is labeled moral inflexibility.

No. 1335241

>>1335239
The evaluation won’t do anything for her. The label will not change her exp of reality. If she doesn’t want to respect her boundaries.

No. 1335244

>>1335239
Does she actually need an assessment for anything though? Since there's such a big crossover with ADHD, you can pretty much get the same accommodations without people thinking you're retarded.

I never went for an autism assessment after my ADHD one because of this. Once you have one on paper it's much more credible when you tell people that you probably have another thing if you change your mind anyway.

No. 1335246

>>1335244
No, I just wish I could cure her of her self-hatred

No. 1335247

>>1335246
You could spin it as an Aspergers assessment as the autism spectrum thing is dumb and misleading. Play up that Aspergers usually comes with higher IQ, famous people with Aspergers who have achieved lots, etc.

But honestly, I would just leave it alone. If autism comes up as a topic then speak in a neutral way about it so she doesn't equate autism = bad (though she will get that messaging elsewhere). She probably already knows but doesn't want to acknowledge it and you need to respect that.

No. 1335250

>>1335247
Why do I need to respect her right to deny reality? That's like "respecting" troons rights lmao

She's clearly autistic: poor social skills, very blunt, strange interests, only moid friends. If she recognized who she really was and stopped trying to escape reality then her life could be so much better imo

No. 1335252

>>1335250
Is she negatively affecting anyone but herself? Troons negatively affect everyone.

Most autists have to pretend to be NT as that's what society wants. She's just taking it a step further.

Honestly, your obsession with her accepting reality sounds a bit spergy too. Maybe you need an assessment yourself.

No. 1335261

>>1335239
>>1335250
NTA but the only one with the right to determine if she wants or needs a diagnosis is herself. Autism is a daunting label that's hard to come to terms with, and if she's the more paranoid type people with poor social skills typically are it's going to look like a death sentence. Whether she's autistic or just ADHD and poorly socialized, just let her make her own decisions and conclusions. She'll resent you and resent autism conceptually if it's forced on her.

No. 1335270

>>1335239
Here are the clear signs my sister is autistic:
>poor social skills
>very rude and blunt
>strange interests like video games, trains (Railroad Tycoon), and philosophy
>almost only friends with moids
>borderline scores on autism evaluations online
>is a redditor and a fujoshi

That's off the top of my head. And of course, she was evaluated for Aspergers as a kid but her moid doctor had no idea what he was talking about

My sister said that she wasn't autistic because she liked to travel and socialize (even though she isn't that great at it). But those really aren't signs against autism ofc

No. 1335398

>>1335240
>moral inflexibility
Gross term, but unsurprising. ime people don't like to be reminded of their own moral failings, so ofc they're going to label the average autist as morally inflexible if we refuse to compromise our principles for our own gain. It probably makes non-autists feel bad about themselves.

No. 1335628

>>1335398
This is why I think artists are morally superior

No. 1335642

>>1335398
>>1335628
This is one of those things that is only seen as a symptom because being NT is the majority. It would absolutely be seen as a type of narcissism or sociopathy otherwise. It’s basically why the world is so fucked up.

No. 1335662

>>1335398
Yep. I view it as a good thing. I don’t know why holding your values and not caving to peer pressure is a bad thing. The world would probably be a better place if more people could.

No. 1335672

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>>1335215
It's not just you, we've been demonstrated to show more moral consideration and weigh negative costs of our actions more heavily than non-autists. Of course this study stigmatizes and pathologizes this trait because like I said >>1335398, most people don't like to be reminded of their moral failings. This is also I presume why autism cannot occur with ASPD or similar disorders that impact moral decision making.

No. 1335688

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>>1335642
>>1335672
>normies were the real "autists" all along

No. 1335690

>>1335672
Does anyone else feel that they’ve had to learn to go against this instinct? I feel like the last few years I’ve had to learn to be selfish for my own sanity. I’ve been taken advantage of so many times by always giving people the benefit of the doubt or going out of my way for them or being too forgiving and not getting anything close to it in return. Either I get screwed over or they do. There’s so rarely a time when both people act morally and I’m so tired of being the one that has to risk things and then gets burnt.

I’ve also noticed that many people will cry when they get screwed over but completely ignore the amount of times they did something similar to someone else. Can they honestly not see the parallels?

No. 1335693

>>1335688
>Autists can’t read emotions
Normie as soon as they see anyone
>How are you?

Also normies
>Why don’t autists ever ask “how are you?”???

No. 1335711

>>1335705
At least read the thread before you sperg. They are talking about female autists (and troons don’t count).

No. 1335713

>>1335705
Moids aren't people, autism doesn't change that.

No. 1335717

>>1335690
Yee, but in all seriousness yes. It’s just not worth it and the lack of self awareness from them on top of it is tiring. I don’t loan people money anymore, I won’t come out at 4 am to find your dog or spend two weeks planning you a birthday surprise, or talk an asshole off a ledge. It’s just not worth it. That energy and money is better spent on me. I realized at some point people didn’t like me. They don’t like my special interests or babble or sperg, they don’t like my humor. They like how genuine I am. They like how I treat them but they don’t like me.
That and having multiple conversations where people try to tell you you’re just a better person to escape accountability. Kek nah people chose to be asshats, they can miss me with that. Being a good person isn’t supposed to feel good.

No. 1335719

>>1335711
Don’t talk to the xy retard. He’s attempting this fight multiple places.

No. 1335738

>>1335717
You put this into words so well. I’ve been a second choice friend so many times and I see now it’s not that they liked me as a person but that I was there and giving and reliable. It’s pretty sad to think that I’ve never really had friends.

I’ve had the same happen a lot with guys when I was younger too. They would pretend to like all the same things I did but never spell out that they wanted to date me. I’d always think that I’d finally found a bff. Eventually they would get tired and blow up at me or ghost me. Sometimes they would twist it and make out like I was the manipulative one.

I’ve basically had to accept that no one cares about my interests unless I’m on a specialist forum or taking a class or something like that. I always have so many new ideas and theories and then nothing to do with them. But I have to sit and look interested when someone tells me all about their boring holiday or what they had for lunch or whatever.

No. 1335806

Why can’t NTs realize that we tend to have better morals than them?

This study proves that autistic people have better morals

https://twitter.com/autisticats/status/1452321224126783507

Last year, a study came out which revealed that autistic people are more likely than neurotypicals to follow our morals even when no-one is watching.

Yet when I’ve pointed this out to NTs, they get defensive and say the study must not count. I feel like NTs are so insecure. Does anyone else feel this way?(imageboard post screencaps)

No. 1335819

>>1335806
Your 'us versus the neurotypicals' sperging is embarassing tbh.

No. 1335829

>>1335819
You’re cringe

No. 1335846

>>1335829
Calling someone cringe doesn't sound very morally superior of you.

No. 1335861

>>1335806
I posted about that research paper that the tweet+article cite here >>1335672 nonna.

No. 1335864

is anyone else getting to a point where they are deciding they don't want friends (or a partner)? i realize that most "friends" i've ever had never treat me the same way i treat them? i always listen, i always respond, i always feel like i really care about this person! but then its like, they can't give me a modicum of the same respect? like they can disagree with me and argue with me, but if i disagree with THEM. im somehow in the wrong? i also find that i literally feel uncomfortable around most people. like socializing exhausts me, i often cry or scream during social outings or even just small get togethers. i feel on edge and anxious and not like myself around other people. and most people genuinely don't even interest me, i find them so dull and boring i can't even keep a conversation going. i just want someone i can debate with and theyre not gonna take things personally. like when i talk about concepts or the world in general people (i guess they're probably NT but a lot of them DO claim to have ADHD or tism so idk why we can't get along) people always think im talking about THEM specifically instead of the world and humanity as a whole. like they assume im speaking about specifically them and them only when im speaking in a general sense. it's like they have no comprehension. or sometimes i feel like they're trying to argue with me or put me on defense when i guess that's not what they're trying to do. so yea im kind of giving up on the idea of friends and partners. i really honestly enjoy my own company and i think i'm hilarious. i also tend to prefer my special interests and inanimate objects to people anyways. and animals. i have my kitty, shes a small black shorthair (i think a bombay). i also collect dolls and my little pony (g3 and g4 right now mostly but i would love some g1) and i find they make me so so so much happier than relationships could. i look at my ponies and dolls, and im filled with joy and love. a moid has definitely never made me feel this way or a friend.

No. 1335893

>>1335864
I've been there for awhile and completely disappeared from all my social groups a few years back. I still have a friend who keeps in touch with me and a nigel, but that's the limits of my social life these days. If being around people is distressing and you get more joy from animals and trinkets, it's not bad to center those things in your life more than people. Just be careful not to spend so much time by yourself that you forget how to socialize, that's happened to me before, but lc is pretty good for keeping my social skills from becoming nonexistent.

No. 1335942

>>1335893
i already don't have social skills because i've been an agoraphobic NEET for 5 years now. i had a boyfriend i lived with for about 8 months and we even got a puppy together but it didn't end up working out. i just don't think i could ever deal with a loss like that again. i think it may be about time i just accept that i don't really do well with other people. i've been a lone wolf who escapes into my imagination my whole life and it's just much easier that way. i do think lolcow and the very few people i do talk to keep me in check socially though. i used to use tumblr but i felt it was too parasocial and caused me to spiral too much into my depressive symptoms so i deleted the account i had since 2013 very recently.

No. 1335986

>>1335864
>i always listen, i always respond, i always feel like i really care
>i often cry or scream during social outings
>most people genuinely don't even interest me
>i can't even keep a conversation going
Which one is it?

No. 1335987

>>1335986
this too
>i find them so dull and boring

No. 1335991

>>1335864
You sound like a chore to be around.

No. 1336081

>>1335864
I have no friends and don’t want any. Sometimes I like the idea of having a group of friends but can’t even find just one person like me. I do have a partner because I find I get pretty touch starved if I’m completely alone. He’s never interested in things to same depth I am though which can be painful when I really want to sperg about something I’ve learned about but he is only pretending to be interested.

I think if we break up I will surround myself with animals and get touch that way. An animal can also be sperged at endlessly. Sadly because of out lifestyle I can’t have any right now.

No. 1336092

>>1335864
I feel you. I think people are socially regressing and it’s frustrating. I don’t really have anything to add.

No. 1336100

>>1336081
sadly i still have a really hard time with contact with my cat. something about it makes me uncomfortable in the way that most touch does. it sucks because i want to cuddle with my cat and be close with her but i find that she overwhelms me too much. theres been a few times where shes sat on my lap and its been very happy and nice but often times she will try to rub herself on me or knead me and i just get completely overwhelmed and have to be like "kitty no". it makes me feel awful tho. i think she kind of understands though cuz she can be the same way, and she will sit like a foot or two away from me in a silent peace together. i got a really cute video of her attacking my foot this morning. i watched a video about cats the musical recently, and i was surprised to realize the depth of the song "memory". the way the cats in the musical reach out to eachother reminds me so much of my kitty. she always wants to reach out to me like that or bat at me or play with me its so cute. i do wish i could allow myself to get closer to my cat though, as stupid as it sounds.

No. 1336108

>>1336100
NTA but have you tried a heavy blanket in your lap between you and kitty and keeping their nails trimmed and filed? My baby has big claws and it’s melt down causing if they catch me on a bad day.

No. 1336397

>>1336108
This, claw caps also help. I like the gentle kneading but the second a claw pokes through I can't do it anymore, which sucks because I know kitty is happy. But claw caps are the best and I find clipping his claws and applying them satisfying like I'm caring for my child

No. 1336499

>>1336397
claw caps are animal abuse

No. 1336579

>>1336499
nayrt but do you have a source for this? I went to go look this up and learned about several cons to claw caps (cannot safely be used on outdoor cats, can negatively affect climbing, some cats don't adjust and nibble the plastic, etc.), but none of the veterinary pages, pet groomer faqs, or humane society articles indicated that caps are abusive. I'd really like to know more about this if you have information because claw caps are a common recommendation where I live and I don't want to give suggestions to people that will hurt their cats.

No. 1336606

>>1336579
They aren't abusive, anon was trolling.

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No. 1337636

Idk if this is my possible? autism or adhd or if it's a trauma ptsd thing (could be both) but I'm the parent to a bunch of stuffed animals. It's just really nice having something cute to pretend to take care of, even if it's seen as conventionally "weird". Anyone else do something similar lol

No. 1337658

>>1337636
It’s pretty common for autists to assign feelings to inanimate objects.

No. 1337726

>>1337636
i was just about to post about this. i don’t have any special interests or hyperfixations but I am obsessed with my stuffed animals. i take care of them, make sure they’re comfortable, and feel bad if it seems like i’ve given one more attention than the others. i do make an exception for the one i choose as my comfort object. they’re the one that gets to follow me everywhere i go and i take extra steps to make sure they’re always safe and happy.

No. 1337749

>>1337726
Aww that's so sweet nona. I too feel guilty if I exclude one from the others' treatment lol. I mean, as a parent, you are supposed to give all your kids equal affection.

No. 1339097

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>>1337000
They quote a charity whose argument is "they stop cats from scratching" and "they don't allow cats to retract their claws." Both statements are false.
Cats still scratch with them on, the claw is just blunted by the cap so they can't shred what they're scratching. And when the claw "retracts" its not retracting into the paw, its just the position of the joints and caps don't inhibit that. Calling claw caps abusive is retarded, I'm sorry you had to hear it in the autism thread.

No. 1339119

>>1337636
>>1337658
I just learned about this recently myself and it explains a lot kek. I still cry thinking about forgotten stuffed animals in my attic and the plot from Toy Story is just what I would think about on a regular basis. It's hard for me to let go of things with sentimental value, especially with a face or animal on them

No. 1339138

>>1339097
getting an animal with claws and then being annoyed that it has claws is the real retardation anon

No. 1339140

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Does anyone else feel that they perceive color more strongly than everyone else? I get real pleasure from looking at certain colors and seek out items in these colors.

Pic related, just look at that mint green.

No. 1339146

>>1339140
is it especially saturated on your screen? idk if it's calibration or my eyes are fucked up but it seems kind of washed out to me. not really a strong mint green. it's a pretty color though still

No. 1339181

>>1339138
The context was sensory issues caused by cats' claws catching when they knead, not annoyance. Again, its the autism thread.

No. 1339309

Guess I could've been diagnosed with autism or ADD if I were growing up in the USA. Where I live (Eastern European country), I think it gets recognized only in a pretty severe cases. And most younger people here self-diagnose based on descriptions; there was time when I felt completely inadequate and tried to figure out my diagnosis myself. Lately I feel like it's kind of… superfluous? (I hope I use the word correctly). I mean, if you're actually high-functioning (I'm speaking only about such cases btw), is there a need in such a label at all? Doesn't it only mean that you have a certain set of traits that aren't even necessarrily "abnormal"? I admit I might be influenced by the approach towards the topic that's adopted where I live, and I don't want to devalue anyone's experiences or feelings about it, but it just seems to me these diagnoses are being distributed among people like some MBTI or temperament types.

I feel like most people are awkward or bad at communication in their own way. And many, it seems, don't care about it at all, they rather expect others to adapt. While some (like me, for example) are hyperaware and make a big deal out of it. Either because of some innate sensitivity or, most likely, because of childhood experiences and growing up among judgemental/manipulative/etc. people. So you learn to doubt yourself and trust other's perception of reality, which consequently makes you feel inadequate and maybe even incompetent to decide how to react or behave in a "normal" way. Also, who knows, maybe much more people than you'd think feel this way, but not everyone is inclined to self-analysis and especially sharing its results with others. So it makes you think everyone else knows what they're doing and you're somehow different. Just in this thread people notice that they're actually better at reading emotions than other people they know, that says something. What I see is that people misunderstand each other all the time and often aren't able to express their feelings or emotions properly or simply to explain clearly any sort of things. To be honest, growing up, I felt like all the other people with few exceptions were some weird different species lol.

No. 1339323

>>1339309
>if you're actually high-functioning (I'm speaking only about such cases btw), is there a need in such a label at all?
No, there isn't. You're not supposed to get a diagnosis unless you're "suffering" from the condition - part of being autistic IS that the condition is a hindrance for you. Otherwise it's like getting a wheelchair when you're fully capable of walking. You could sit in and use it, but the function of it is meaningless and it wasn't meant for you.

No. 1339339

>>1339323
>part of being autistic IS that the condition is a hindrance for you
It isn't though. Being autistic is not a hindrance to me; what I find to be an obstacle in my life is living in a society not built for people with my kind of brain, and in which I'm made to experience prejudice from allistic individuals. Also, some people with wheelchairs can walk. Just because someone sometimes uses a wheelchair as a disability aid doesn't mean they need it all the time. Similarly, I don't always use noise cancelling headphones, but I do need them sometimes

No. 1339470

>>1339309
I'm in an eu country too. I grew up in a pretty rough area. Alot of people on social welfare payments, alot of alcoholism, alot of antisocial behaviours and mental illness.. all these things putting a strain on various services. Services were at bursting point. I was in the mental health system there getting help from 12 onwards. They never mentioned tism. It was labeled as regular ole depression and anxiety/agoraphobia and you'd get a very short appointment 3 times a year where they'd ask if you're eating and sleeping ok, then write you a prescription to keep taking lexapro or similar. This went on for years. 17 years.

I moved to a more rural area at 29. I went to the mental health clinic here and the waiting room was empty. I'd never experienced that. My appointment lasted over an hour. Again that was a first. And the very first appointment I had in this new area the possibility of tism was brought up both based on meeting me and looking through my glaring tism file. They asked a few questions about sensory issues and I knew in that moment what was up. Looking back it seems painfully obvious. I'm textbook in alot of ways but I also felt forced to just cope. I can pass for just being socially anxious most of the time.. because that's all I thought I was.

Seems to be the luck of draw, where you're born and what services in your area are like. Overworked services will miss it. Then you reach an age where you think… whats even the point in confirming it at this late stage. To each their own but part of me doesn't see the value in getting a diagnosis at 30.

No. 1339615

>>1198440
>>1339339
>I mean, if you're actually high-functioning, is there a need in such a label at all?
Not really. Having a label in adulthood is good if you need access to services or accommodations, but otherwise there's not much of a point. Non-autists aren't going to treat you any nicer if they know, and some of them will use it as an excuse to berate you under the pretense of "helping you fit in". If you need noise canceling headphones, just wear them. You don't need a 'tism diagnosis to say that it's currently loud and you want to protect your ears.

No. 1339622

>>1339339
>what I find to be an obstacle in my life is living in a society not built for people with my kind of brain
This is such a shit take and a giant cope. It is far rarer to find anyone "suited" to society in the first place. What does your label really do for you?

No. 1339655

>>1339339
hate to break it to you but society is built for no one but rich people to earn money off the backs of everyone else, normies just cope better.

No. 1340060

Being autistic and having age-inappropriate interests really sucks because anytime I try to talk to fellow autistic or aspie women they usually are gendies or gross ddlg/diaper freaks/pedos and they make me feel even more ashamed than normies make me feel for still liking stuff like Webkinz, Winnie the Pooh, Elmo or Pokemon because I don't want to be associated with shit like that. Im gnc and also was sexually abused by an older man when I was a teenager who took advantage of me being very naive and childlike (I still liked the same stuff then) so it's also extremely frustrating that I can't escape pedos, pedo-panderers and also troons who call me a they or he.

No. 1340064

>>1337658
>>1339119
I think so too, and I think it's because despite what normies say autists don't "lack empathy" (except maybe some autistic moids) we have an usually high amount of it for things like animals, inanimate objects, etc. Im not trying to get too spiritual (but I guess this is animism so technically I am) but I think its because autistic people can understand the connections people have between objects that regular people don't. plushes are special because they have wholesome energy and if it belongs to someone it plush has the persons energy within it as well. Same thing with clothes and other things. "science" says that autistic people can't recognize faces well or have issues with eye contact as if we're too stupid to understand the importance of eyes and the face, when really I would argue its because there is a lot of power and emotion that happens in the face and it can be intimidating, but also amazing when it's someone/something you love and cherish

No. 1340195

>>1340064
Autistic people DO have more empathy. NTs are soulless and only care about themselves

No. 1340209

>>1340064
>>1340195
look into the intense world theory of autism
"However, contrary to the deficit-oriented or disconnected Amygdala Theory and Theory of Mind of autism, we propose that the amygdala may be overtly active in autism, and hence autistic individuals may in principle be very well able to attend to social cues, feel emotions and even empathize with others or read their minds, but they avoid doing so, because it is emotionally too overwhelming, anxiety-inducing, and stressful."
Dealing with people's emotions may just be triggering emotional overload similar to sensory overload, I know i get overwhelmed with friends issues because I can't handle their pain and feeling like I can't do anything for them, so plenty of autists probably just avoid these things to avoid feeling pain/stress and then the researchers conclude it's because they have no empathy. The study talks about eye contact and the emotions read from face/eyes being too overwhelming causing too much amygdala activation too and that's why spergs avoid it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3010743/

No. 1340257

>>1339622
Nta but I work in a highly technical field (everyone has masters or PhDs) and you can tell that a large percentage of the group have autistic tendencies. It’s not everyone but it’s a significant portion. Having the capability to focus intently and analytically for years to decades on a particular subject is a major boon in science, and a slight increase in difficulty socializing isn’t enough to outweigh the benefits of minor ‘tism here. It acts like a sieve effect, almost like career natural selection, where someone with mild autism goes further and does better at the work than someone without it.
You can only take the association so far, though. You don’t see “I got sent to the special ed class as a kid”-grade autistics here, just the minor aspies. But it does make me wonder what would happen long-term to society and the rate of technological development if there was some fetal autism test created that led to the mass abortion of aspergery autistics. I do feel like it’d have a measurable impact on humanity’s progress.

No. 1340264

>>1340257
It's great that autism helps you in your field but tons of autistics aren't good at math/science or they can't even complete a college degree.

No. 1340284

>>1340209
same anon as >>1340060 and >>1340064
thank you for mentioning this, I hadn't heard of it before.

No. 1340305

>>1340264
Like I said, I’m not talking about people who are so autistic that they can’t navigate the educational system like a normal person.

No. 1340316

>>1340305
>So autistic that you can't
>Like a normal person
Damn that hurts kek. Alright I take it you're assuming that it's mental retardation at play but many autistics, myself included, failed at school because of burnout, being unable to cope with change, or uncertainty.

No. 1340328

>>1340316
Yes, that would be a failure to navigate the educational system. I’m not sure where you’re trying to go with this.

No. 1340357

>>1340316
I agree with >>1340328
>>1340305
That's a good deal of people with autism though? I don't see proof that people with Aspergers complete college at a greater rate than normal people

No. 1340433

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I really feel like I'm too weird, even for lolcow. I really do blame my neurodivergency, yes I use that term sue me. I try to be as normal as possible but also can't deny that I have my own set of struggles that I need to cater to. There's things I am tired of hiding and I'm tired of changing myself just so some people may find me more agreeable. I want to be left alone, I'm always going to be too weird and too out there for most people even when I did adquired new social skills in the past, it all has devolved. This has unfortunatelly resulted in me not wanting to go outside and socialize anymore, I feel like I already did everything I wanted to do in terms of talking to people. Sometimes I feel lonely but I also feel relieved I don't have to be anything for anyone, I just mind my own business. In a sense I also feel like I'm just doing everyone a favor because I'm tooooooo stupid to go out, I'm too stupid for everything really. I'm tired, it's tiring, I want to focus on myself only. Sorry for being such an idiot, everyone. I wish I was born normal.

No. 1340443

>>1340433
I relate a lot to this. Where i differ is that lolcow is one of the first places I have ever felt comfortable being honest about my desires and I can be myself. In irl i restrain myself so much to the point where i avoid talking all together. I am so paranoid of seeming insane and being called weird does make me a little insecure because people mean it as an insult. I have people constantly telling me how I should be or giving me talks or advice on how to be confident, but they seriously don't want to see the real unhinged version of myself and my not safe for normies philosophy on life. Sorry for being cringe.

No. 1340453

>>1340443
I haven't ever felt like lolcow really "gets" me, ever, but I also I'm glad this place exists.

No. 1340518

>>1340060
I've struggled with feeling bad for still liking some childlike things. Pokémon, plushies, if I walk through a toy section in a store I still feel drawn to look at what's there. I've more interest in buying the odd childish item than buying anything cosmetic. I don't over indulge in it but then I see other autistic women who go full on ddlg and I cringe so hard that it makes me want to distance myself from that stereotype as much as possible

No. 1340521

>>1340518
>I've more interest in buying the odd childish item than buying anything cosmetic
Same.

No. 1340574

How do you prevent sensory overload/meltdowns? It's fucking frightening that stimuli as benign as overcooked pasta, someone's fork stabbing a plate, or even a loud office make me literally lose my mind and start crying and/or screaming uncontrollably. I feel like these episodes are getting worse as I get older, and I'm genuinely worried about my future independence and ability to hold down a job.

No. 1340714

>>1340518
I also love the toy section! I hate the degenerate autists, but most autists I've known have been regular nerds who just like cute shit like us.

>>1340574
One thing that helps me is to have good earphones with music I like. They have to have decent noise cancelling, which you can get with memory foam earphones (recommended because they're smaller, lighter and less visible) or big headphones. I find that blocking out a sensory input (in this case hearing) and instead replacing it with a pleasant input helps A LOT. It makes it so I can't be bothered by outside noise, and I'm comforted by the familiar music at the same time. Now just the fact that I know I can deal with noise by putting on my earphones helps me stay calm in the first place. It lets me feel more in control and like I can handle it.

No. 1340749

>>1335864
I felt I couldn't make friends for a long time but, even though this is a normie cliche, you'll find people you click with one day. I have one friend, and I've found being very picky about them leads to better connections. While my best friend is NT (though part of our original bond was through finding out we both were obsessed with the same cows, and anyone who does this shit cannot be fully mentally well), she has similar interests (i also doll collect, she collects figures so we have a fundmental understanding). I recommend interest groups as a good place to start to find people you're truly compatible with. i spent so many years trying to force connections with normies i had nothing in common with and suffered for it.
>>1340574
i try to put on music like another anon said, and if i'm at home, just curl up under a blanket and deprive myself of sensory input for as long as i need to.

No. 1340755

>>1340284
It's an interesting theory isn't it? It really seems like none of the researchers studying autism ever bother to speak to an autistic person and ask how they feel or experience the world and come up with really dehumanizing theories. I've seen autistics described as psychopathic so many times but all the spergwomen I know are very concerned with animal cruelty, and ascribe feelings to inanimate objects and get overwhelmed with any pain and cruelty in the world… meanwhile the normal people do some of the most cruel shit and torment others just for being a bit different.
Maybe these theories just fit autistic men.

No. 1341269

>>1340209
>we propose that the amygdala may be overtly active in autism, and hence autistic individuals may in principle be very well able to attend to social cues, feel emotions and even empathize with others or read their minds, but they avoid doing so, because it is emotionally too overwhelming, anxiety-inducing, and stressful
Interesting theory but I don't agree. I find that I miss social cues because these things just don't occur to me or my priorities are different. For example, if I don't ask someone "how are you?" it's because either I don't think to do so because I don't like people doing this to me or I deliberately don't do it because I know the chances are I'll find their answer mind numbingly boring and on top have to then answer the question myself, which will likely end with them looking at me weird because my priorities for how I spend my time are different than most people. Maybe the latter reason could present as anxiety for other people though.

No. 1341275

>>1340574
You have to learn to take care of your sensory needs. I wear noise canceling headphones and sunglasses. I also know what my safe foods are and stick to those

No. 1341278

>>1340755
I once had a flatmate describe me as a sociopath because I didn't show enough interest in her and didn't answer the door to her sometimes (either I'd be changing or just wanted time alone). She even reported me missing to the police because of it and made of some weird story about me being suicidal when I wasn't.

The weird thing was that she then sent me a barrage of harassing messages claiming I thought I was a "queen" and a bunch of other stuff she'd completely imaged. She wouldn't block my number and leave me alone after I repeatedly asked her. When I brought it up in person, she smirked and shouted at me to the point that I covered my ears (and then shouted more at me). She gossiped about me behind my back to the other people too.

I ended up having to get the building manager to talk to her and then she sent me a letter apologizing but then seemed to expect me to want to be friends with her???

I've honestly no idea how she thought I was the sociopath and she was normal.

No. 1341298

>>1341269
if you never had much interest in people and didn't pay attention to them then it makes sense you would miss social cues, just cause you wouldn't have enough experience with recognizing them, doesn't mean autists are incapable of this stuff like the mainstream theory says. Spergs are said to be less interested in people in general, so it could be anxiety for some and a lack of interest for others that makes them worse in social interaction. I know eye contact makes me anxious so I could possible be worse at reading facial expressions than normal since I don't look at people as much.
"How are you" is not a question anyone wants a genuine answer to unless you're close so I find it annoying too, they might look at you weird if you answer honestly.

I also think a lot of spergs are aware of the social rules they are supposed to follow but since they don't make sense or seem stupid they don't follow them.

No. 1341299

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How can I stop coming off as creepy for people? I really don't know what to do anymore.

No. 1341305

>>1341299
You should probably ask some NT people who you are close to.

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>>1341299
You have to find your own people nonna. Make autistic friends
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5286449/

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>>1341298
>if you never had much interest in people and didn't pay attention to them then it makes sense you would miss social cues, just cause you wouldn't have enough experience with recognizing them, doesn't mean autists are incapable of this stuff like the mainstream theory says
I agree with this sentiment. I think when I was evaluated for autism / adhd one of the key things was that I still had the same trouble socializing as I had all my life but eventually "learnt" how to get some social cues from people and managed it better for a while. And this made me not get my kinda overt autism diagnosis, but I did get the ADHD one. I was a total mess in highschool, barely talked to people, I know I was pretty offputting and stand off-ish thinking back on it. I masked better in college but the autism still didn't go anywhere, it was there, I still got overwhelmed with people very freaking easily, specially in groups. I tried my best and even though this wouldn't be an issue anymore but now I've completely reverted into my """highschool self""" only with more experience, but now I have no desire to talk to anyone ever again. It's like I'm keeping myself safe from those interactions and keeping the rest of the world safe from having to deal with me.


I also don't buy the "all autistic people don't understand sarcasm" bit, I've seen fakers IRL use this as an excuse to seem more autistic. It's like
>someone: says obvious sarcastic shit
>"""autistic""" person recognizing it was sarcasm: omggg was that sarcasm?? I totally did not get it haha I'm so autistic!

No. 1341312

>>1341308
Gb2/r9k moid

No. 1341313

>>1341305
>>1341306
You don't understand, even online I have such a hard time socializing it fucking sucks ass. I don't know how to mantain conversations and when I try to be friendly I come off as stupid and retarded. I hate myself so much, I'll always have to hide things about myself the rest of my life

No. 1341315

>>1341311
NTA It’s not that we don’t understand sarcasm or idioms like “moving mountains”. It’s more like we don’t process information in the same way so when things have a double meaning we may not see it. Example. Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack fell down and broke his crown. Children's cartoons always draw Jack with a crown on his head like a king. Something that never made sense to me. Why is a child fetching water wearing a crown. It wasn’t until I was an adult and had time to sit and think about it and really think about it. Kek that it occurred to me it was the crown of his head. My fucking brain exploded. I felt so dumb. Hopefully that makes sense.

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>>1341313
>You don't understand, even online I have such a hard time socializing it fucking sucks ass. I don't know how to mantain conversations and when I try to be friendly I come off as stupid and retarded
I do understand, nonnie; I'm autistic too. You should read about the double empathy problem because it explains what you're talking about. Autistic people have a fundamentally different way of communicating than allistic people. You're not broken you're autistic
https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjdp.12350

No. 1341318

>>1341311
I have trouble understanding sarcasm or jokes when I don't know the person well and they don't use a sarcastic tone. It's something really impossible then I will get it but if it's somewhat plausible I'm more likely to think it is serious.

It's annoying because people often don't tell me that they were being sarcastic or joking and so I get completely the wrong idea.

No. 1341320

>>1341315
>Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack fell down and broke his crown.
Fuck I thought it was a real crown too KEK

No. 1341321

>>1341311
yeah I find it easier to just not bother with people. I can get along with normal people for a while if I try hard but I find it draining to hide my natural personality/behaviour and not very fulfilling since we're unlikely to have any shared interests or ways of relating. It would be fine if they just didn't like us, since I'm not interested in them either, but plenty of them take issue with you being different and start acting like dicks at school/work. Can't even just be quiet and keep to yourself so you don't offend them with your existence cause they decide you're a stuck up asshole for not talking to them and start talking shit about you. The friends I make usually turn out to be spergs, but they are hard to find.

No. 1341323

>>1341320
To be fair, most kids don't know about "the crown of your head" and you don't really think about the rhyme much as an adult. I thought it meant a golden crown too as a child until my mom explained it and I didn't know it was part of the head.

No. 1341325

I am proud to be autistic because autistic people are more empathetic, intelligent, and we are often able to think outside the box. We see the world in a unique way and often have a deep understanding of things that others don't. In contrast, neurotypicals are stupid and selfish.

They are always talking about themselves and they don't understand what it's like to be autistic. They are always making things about them and they don't get that other people have different experiences. They are always trying to force their way of thinking on us and they don't understand that we are different. They want us to be like them and they don't get that we can't be.

No. 1341327

>>1341323
That true but it bothered me well into adulthood and I never realized it until I had process time to put it together. It’s like my brain is fuzzy and it’s difficult to grasp things with double meanings until it clicks.

No. 1341329

On the topic of not understanding double meanings, I wonder how it differs between cultures. I'm ESL and while my mom does very obvious sarcasm jokes in a tone I understand, there's times when others do double entendrees (specially sexual) and you have to "learn" them because it's part of our culture and if you don't you'll get memed on. I don't understand most of those until I really pay attention and think about it.

No. 1341361

>>1341325
Countdown to the anon appearing who attacks anyone who dares have an opinion that autists can be superior in any way…

No. 1341979

>>1341316
using the word "allistic" to refer to normies is so dehumanizing, as if we are subhuman or incomplete for having differently wired brains. have no idea why this is the new "wokespeak" now.

No. 1341986

>>1341979
>using the word "allistic" to refer to normies is so dehumanizing, as if we are subhuman or incomplete for having differently wired brains
This honestly seems like a projection

No. 1342005

>>1341979
It just means not autistic, retard

No. 1342006

>>1341316
The fuck is the etymology of allistic?

No. 1342041

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>>1342006
nayrt but I think it's the Greek allos (other) since autism comes from autos (self).

No. 1342048

>>1342041
So autism basically means self involved? That's pretty awful and not suited to the experience at all.

No. 1342054

>>1342048
Yeah early 20th century psychiatric classification wasn't exactly great. Autism used to be considered a symptom of schizophrenia back in those days as opposed to its own developmental disability.

No. 1342104

>>1341278
normies in current year are obsessed with themselves and obsessed with attention. They need attention and validation from others way more than autistic people do. They need their asses kissed, they need overly polite formalities, they need to be told and shown they’re smart and appealing. When someone isn’t giving this attention to them, such as an autistic person who keeps to themselves, does not like small meaningless talk, is deemed “slower at processing” etc this angers the normie and makes them start raging, antagonizing, attacking reputations, examining your weaknesses and trying to exploit them, etc. they need the most softest tones, the most overly exaggerated “happy” faces and smiles, etc.

No. 1342105

>>1342048
Nta but autism is diagnosed and “treated” all from the perspective of a NT and their interpretation of our reality. None of it is really set up for us. Case and point why “moral inflexibility” is something they try to train out of us and they’re electrocuting kids in the states for stimming at school again.

No. 1342106

>>1342104
samefag, I mean tone as in tone of voice/expression

No. 1342110

>>1342104
this but also autistic moids with social media. staggering amount of hypocrisy with those

No. 1342111

>>1342104
Well said nona

No. 1342116

>>1342104
Completely agree. I guess I can kind of see how from an outside perspective an autistic person might seem self involved at first but it's more like we don't find others interesting and so only ourselves are left, not that we prioritise ourselves over others which non-autistics seem to do.

No. 1342118

>>1342105
It's the some problem with ADHD. All the symptoms are listed as how they affect other people, not the sufferer themselves.

I really hope whoever writes the DSM turns this around in the future.

No. 1342123

>>1342118
Even the name ADHD describes the things about us they find annoying

No. 1342126

>>1342116
NTA but from what I remember the social part of our brain develops differently and combining that with the fact our senses tend to be wired closer together there’s a theory that autistic kids don’t recognize their parents faces instinctually as other people, so we don’t mimic them emotionally. I could see that leading to us not focusing on others initially as much. Our brains aren’t wired to look for the group if the theory proves true because we’re doing something else that we are wired to do.

No. 1342151

>>1342126
That's pretty interesting. I read at mothers of autistic children are more likely to have post natal depression and I was asked about that at my assessment too.

No. 1342311

I have a moid autistic trait and I hate it. To put it simply I'm homosexual and every time a female give me special attention in school I'm confused and wonder if she want to be more than a friend.
I know most women who show this interest in me is absolutely platonic but my brain go ???. It make me want to crush my skull

No. 1342321

I have my adhd diagnosis evaluation on Thursday and im so nervous

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Nonnies, I need your opinion on if I should tell my sister she’s autistic.
She’s 23, graduated college, and working full-time. Never been diagnosed (as far as I know) so sure, I can’t 100% say she’s definitively autistic, but I can 99% say it because she fits every symptom to a T. The reason I’m hesitant though is a combination of two things. She outwardly can behave pretty rudely and self-centered towards other people, and this pushes other people away from her. She also is extremely resistant to acknowledging the existence of any personal flaws or shortcomings she may have. Basically, I know how much knowing you’re autistic can help autistic adults, but I don’t want to make her fall into a hole where she refuses to even attempt any sort of self-improvement, because I know that’ll just hurt her in the long term. Thoughts?
In the past I’ve feared doing it because of how angry I know she’d probably get at me for saying it, but ultimately I’d be willing to take her anger and abuse for a while if it meant her life improved.

No. 1343183

>>1343181
Only do it if she says something like “why am I like this?”

No. 1343189

I'm diagnosed with aspergers and I have problem with connecting with people on deeper level.
I don't care for a trivial relationships, I only want deep connection. The problem is that I can get interested in people and feelings can be mutual but I still can't feel "connection" with them. Honestly idk if that's becasue of cptsd or aspergers.
I just want to have two people that I'm really close with, but it's not only hard to find like-minded people, I can't feel that connection anyway.
I tend to feel quite lonely sometimes because of that.
I have only parents and don't talk with anyone. I don't have internet friends, but as I said, I never cared for trivial relationship, they always made me feel even more lonely.

No. 1343201

>>1343181
What you've described is not part of the diagnostic criteria for autism nona

No. 1343205

>>1343189
same but i also have cptsd nonna, i hope you can find someone you make that "connection" with. what is it for you that you think would make that connect? for me i find its a similar upbringing or similar traumas, so that makes me wonder if it is the cptsd that makes me feel this way. i find that eventually the other people move on and then i don't tend to feel that "connection" anymore, but a lot of those people helped me get through some hard times in life. i find as i get older (23), i don't connect with people as much as i did when i was a teen especially. i've only had two people in the last few years i've really felt this kind of relationship with.

No. 1343206

>>1343189
Ngl that sounds more like C-PTSD to me. I’m dx’d C-PTSD and highly suspect I have the ‘tism and working on my PTSD has made it much easier to feel more present in my relationships. I don’t really care for shallow relationships either but with my current therapy I’ve been able to connect more deeply with others recently. I think it’s also important to keep in mind that real deep relationships take time to develop and you shouldn’t write off things sooner early.

No. 1343216

>>1342105
>>1342118
I hate this so much. Fuck people

No. 1343246

>>1214294
just want to say my husband is exactly like what you are describing down to the height, i think this is a type of autistic men. i get kindof scared when he gets mad but i have to admit i am very happy

No. 1343260

>>1343201
I wasn’t listing those things as evidence for her being autistic, I was describing it because those are personality traits/flaws of hers that might cause problems if she knows she’s autistic.

No. 1343310

>>1343205
>what is it for you that you think would make that connect?
idk, to this day I don't know the answer, I self-reflect quite often but still can't get clear answer.
>i find as i get older (23), i don't connect with people as much as i did when i was a teen especially
In my case, I never could connect with people from the beginning.
btw I think people genuinely felt that connection with me but I couldn't.
>>1343206
>Ngl that sounds more like C-PTSD to me
Honestly it could be. I think I never developed healthy deep connection with parents as a kid and that made me unable to connect with people. My dad was cold and distant, and my mom was emotionally unstable at that time (she had really hard life).
> working on my PTSD has made it much easier to feel more present in my relationships
working on my cptsd helped me a lot in various ways but unfortunately not in relationships with people
> I think it’s also important to keep in mind that real deep relationships take time to develop and you shouldn’t write off things sooner early.
You're right, but when I can't feel that connection I not only feel lonely in that relationship, I also feel really drained by it. I can't talk and meet with that person because it slowly drains my energy and makes me feel worse. That's why I never continued relationships, because in the end it only made me feel worse.


At first I thought that I couldn't connect with people because we didn't have common hobbies but this theory turned out to be wrong, I also thought that I'm just desperate to get something that would resemble unconditional love but it's not a case either. Though, if I would choose anything, unconditional love would be the closest one.

No. 1343317

>>1343246
It's rare, but this can sometimes occur in autistic women too. I have the dysregulation rage spells and can get incredibly destructive if I'm prevented from running away.

No. 1343344

>>1343317
i have this. i'm definitely what i describe as a "lenny" type. in third grade i blacked out and threw a desk at my teacher, i was underweight my whole childhood and i don't think i could even lift a desk now. definitely the tard strength, i still don't understand how i didn't get diagnosed in elementary school. they even had me in a special ed program for a bit (rode the short bus and had half days) and had evacuation plans for when i had fits. another kid told me that fact a few years later and it made me feel so awful. i had a few fits of rage in middle and high school too, but my home life had become more stable at that point so it wasn't as bad. i also would black out during these fits, i only remember them from what people have told me mostly. i still have a tendency to rip off my clothes or bite things when i get mad, my ex boyfriend even described it as scary. the thing is i'm a small, petite, conventionally attractive young woman so people don't see my like the retard i genuinely feel like i am. i even bit a girl in high school while on a school trip cuz i was so overwhelmed after a big concert we did and i was melting down. i didn't want to hurt her, i just needed to bite something and her arm was there. i am actually not formally diagnosed but the tard strength and a lot of other stuff from my childhood and now make me believe i must 100 percent have it unless i'm actually just some sort of subtype of evil caveman woman. i do also have cptsd but that doesn't explain my sensory issues and tard strength. i was also one of those kids in special ed AND gifted and talented.

No. 1343354

>>1343181
You should worry about yourself first. If she got through college and can maintain a full-time job, she doesn't need her sister calling her a retard (no offense to other autists here but that's exactly how it would sound, coming from a sibling).

No. 1343358

>>1343344
Blackouts suck, I'm sorry nonna and hope you're doing better now
I wish they'd do research into what causes the tard strength. I like being able to do strength tasks but it's also too easy to get injured. Would be really cool to know the how and why it happens

No. 1343360

>>1343344
>i'm definitely what i describe as a "lenny" type
What does this mean?

Also are fits of rage common in autism? I used to have very shit emotional regulation, not to the point of hitting people but yeah

No. 1343367

>>1212624
Anon it's okay, it's a cute drawing and you did a good job. What men and other people do is their own fault

No. 1343374

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>>1343358
thanks nona ♥ i actually do blackout in anger sometimes still, but its easier to deal with and i tend to document my life very highly now so i don't forget things as much when it happens. it sucks because i'm always more likely to hurt myself than anyone else. i've been trying to focus on "excercising" but like in my own way to kind of get some of that excess energy out and also gain some more natural strength. i go on walks, carry heavy bags of groceries home and up the stairs, i've been getting into dancing and try to stretch everyday. shrooms also helped me get in touch with my body and myself a lot and accept that i do think i am autistic. i know self dx-ing is a controversial subject, but i have a case manager and she has told me it would be pretty much impossible for me to get an autism evaluation as i am on state insurance. i am trying to at least get diagnosed with ADHD though, but those meds scare me. i'm also trying to get disability. i just figure that as long as i can use my self-dx to help myself improve myself and make safe spaces for myself its ok. i figure the ADHD diagnosis and disabled status would keep me protected if i do ever have a job so they couldn't discriminate against me for like me not being able to hear things and getting overwhelmed sometimes? but i'm not really sure how that works.
>>1343360
also picrel

No. 1343375

>>1343181
There was another farmer posting something like this in another thread and I don't understand the impulse. If this is someone who is not going to take it well, who is already doing fine they will not benefit from this. And it sounds like she doesn't even want help either. Focus on being a good sister and maintaining a close relationship that's all you can do with someone who doesn't want help or to change.

>>1343189
I used to feel this way and I understand but it is limiting. Life will be full of people we have different kinds of relationships with, and just because you aren't telling your most serious thougghts to everyone doesn't mean they're not valuable and have meaning. If you want to reach that level of intimacy you have to start at a more "superficial" level in relationships, building trust and getting to know people.

No. 1343397

>>1212624
nonny its not your fault for shitty people. you had no bad intent and just because of some bad people doesn't mean you are bad. you know yourself best.

No. 1343541

>>1343375
She’s not doing fine though. She has no friendships really, is super depressed, has become obese, and is on like 6 different psychotropic medications right now.

No. 1343983

Diagnosis is off the table due to my insurance. I wish I could gain affirmation and find like-minded people, but my area is "all-inclusive" of the ASD spectrum, and as another anon mentioned, I doubt I'll have anything in common woth those on the different end. I do prefer Asperger's remain a separate diagnosis. I'd also feel like an imposter in that situation since I am not diagnosed. There are still aspects that do not resonate with me, like the issue of eye contact. It felt foreign and invasive when younger, but most of the issues I had in childhood have mellowed out (or "resolved" to our ignorant healthcare system).

I still have sensory issues, but they feel like my normal. I haven't had a meltdown or stimmed in a stereotypical way (hand flapping, eye rubbing, etc.) since childhood. I crack my fingers using fists and rubbing my pants, but many anxious or ADHD folks do that also. I wish examples of a formal evaluation on YouTube existed so I could get a feel of how the condition actually presents. The vague internet checklist and "uwu It's a spectrum, you don't have to have such-&-such" is unhelpful. Between leaving the house, driving, gas expenses, talking over the phone, the front desk, psychiatrist, and $100 copays, every visit, for months, just to be REFERRED to a specialist is absolutely daunting. No.

There is also a significant chance the "professionals" I encounter are completely ignorant and misdiagnose me. I briefly mentioned it last thread when my psychiatrist said I couldn't be autistic if I wanted friends, which may nuke my odds of referral. I've already encountered too much of this. Is ASD a meme diagnosis if the diagnostic criteria is vague and none of the professionals gave a fucking clue what it is? I say one "wrong" thing or manage to perform socialite behavior, and my chances of getting help I need are shot to hell.

No. 1344081

>>1343983
>ASD spectrum
>Ranges from unable to function to genius
>Let's give them all the same name

God I hate this so much.

No. 1344191

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Holy shit Nonnas, rejection sensitivity is real and it’s a bitch to deal with. This month’s period ramped it up to 11 and I spent countless hours remembering and worrying about people that have even a mild negative reaction to me, my actions or m-m-muh beliefs. Even with anonymity here I still get nervous and I try to refrain from talking just in case someone doesn’t like me or what I say for whatever reason, even if I’m confident in something I feel like I hold myself back for being so sensitive to even the slightest amount of criticism. Hell I feel like it crosses the line into paranoia sometimes, especially when I’m PMS-ing. I feel like a retard and I hate feeling vulnerable like this. Sorry for sperging I just really needed to get this off my chest, feeling extra frustrated right now.

No. 1344236

I related to autism memes and I used to think I couldn't possibly be autistic because I (at least I think) had a normal development and didn't do the block stacking thing. Then, I thought back to my childhood and how I usually didn't understand stuff that people my age had no problem understanding and was bullied for being "weird". I've always had extreme difficulty relating to other people or making friends. I have sensory issues to noises, tastes, textures, etc. to the point where i dropped out of school multiple times. I thought this was just anxiety, but I look at other people with anxiety and they seem so normal in comparison. I'm clumsy, I speak backwards sometimes (hard to explain). I don't do the stimming thing but a lot of other symptoms are there.

I'm in my late 20s. I feel like I can't tell my parents about this because they will treat me like a child or use "You're autistic" to win any arguments we have from now on. Should I just keep this to myself? Is there a reason for formal diagnosis other than disability benefits? Is it possible to have a normal life or do I have to just lie to everyone about how much i really struggle?

No. 1344249

>>1343983
>my psychiatrist said I couldn't be autistic if I wanted friends
>I say one "wrong" thing or manage to perform socialite behavior, and my chances of getting help I need are shot to hell.
I hate this so much, it happens more than you think.
I think in the future Autism will be separated into sub categories. I don't like being compared to people like Chris Chan et all.

No. 1344253

>>1344191
I hate this shit so much. There's nothing like extreme emotional pain to even imagined rejection.

It's worth remembering though, that as much as this shit sucks you have conditioned your brain to be attuned to "danger signals" in ways normal people simply do not pick up on. (You had to do it to survive probably.) Most people can't do this, and a lot of people actually don't even believe it's possible to read body language like this.

Anyways, hope you feel better nonnie. RSD is something that makes it genuinely worth thinking about whether it might be better to just be alone

No. 1344486

>>1344253
Thanks Nonna, I really appreciate your response. It’s gotten a little better after I got off my period but damn it’s something that affects and hinders me all the time. I wish there was more I could do than just managing it. It’s awful and I hope you’re doing alright as well.

No. 1344649

>>1344236
Don’t tell your parents about it if you don’t have to. I made this mistake.

I’m estranged from my family because of how badly my mother treats me and the rest of my family siding with her. However, I was low contact with my sister at the time.

I sought a diagnosis myself as an adult. I’m pretty sure all my immediate family are on the spectrum so I felt guilty about keeping the diagnosis to myself.

As soon as I told my sister, she immediately said “that must be why you don’t get on with mom”. She basically used it to victim blame and ignore all the horrible things my mother has done to me over the years.

On top of that, I remembered too late that she uses my personal life as entertainment at work because her own life is too boring. No doubt she probably told all her colleagues about it too (despite her working in a medical related job where they are supposed to understand patient privacy laws….). Some of them I went to high school with too.

Anyway, my point is that if you think there is a chance where it could be used against you than absolutely do not mention it to them.

As for why to get a diagnosis, unless you actually are going to use it for college or work (or are often the victim of bullying by peers), it’s not worth it and a self diagnosis that you keep to yourself is enough.

No. 1344750

Are ADHD and autism related? I feel like there should be seperate threads

No. 1344760

>>1344750
They’re both spectrum disorders and there’s a lot of people myself included with both.

No. 1344900

If any nonas could answer, I see a bunch of tiktoks going on about ADD symptoms or “things I have to deal with due to my neurodivergent brain”. (Side note: I feel like I relate to a lot of them but I also feel like ASD/ADD is becoming over-diagnosed). But what I always wonder is if you’re medicated, would you still be behaving in these manners? Like if you’re making a tiktok about how you’re truly diagnosed with ADD, wouldn’t you then be medicated? And if you’re medicated, would you still be struggling with the list of things they always talk about in videos?

No. 1345076

>>1344900
Not everyone can get or wants medication.

No. 1345531

>>1344900
Medication doesn’t fix you and you’ll still struggle. Giving basically refined meth to someone with a structural brain difference isn’t going to change the way their brain developed in the womb

No. 1345548

>>1345534
That’s not how it works. Medication can be a helpful tool to cope and make life easier. It does not “cure anything or fix anything”.

No. 1345550

>>1344900
Not everyone responds well to medication. For example, comorbid anxiety disorders and addictive personalities tend to not do well on them. The medication is also highly illegal pretty much everywhere so if someone is having a hard time getting diagnosed, they can't access medication. I also see a lot of people with primarily inattentive adhd not respond well and it seems to do better for people with hyperactivity symptoms.

No. 1345578

any tips for studying? I try so hard but I always just end up absorbing the information and completely forgetting everything after

No. 1345583

>>1345578
Adhd or autism or both? How are you currently studying? Is it a lack of focus causing the non retention nonni?

No. 1345588

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Can someone tell me how do I boost my concentration? I have ADD and have no resources for medication. It's like I can't do anything but sleep and watch youtube these days

No. 1345619

>>1343983
You sound like you have nothing to gain from a diagnosis, why would you want to pursue it? For an adult, the only thing a diagnosis does is potentially open the door for disability payout and such if you’re too retarded to work, but it sounds like you’re not.

No. 1345634

>>1345578
flashcards and review everyday

No. 1345656

>>1345619
? There is also an acute peace of mind provided by a diagnosis after wondering what's wrong with you for your lifelong.

No. 1345774

do (highly functioning) autistic people really stim?
i never heard of the stimming stuff until autism became a popular thing to fake on tiktok. To demonstrate their stims most people flap their hands/arms, bounce around, dance etc and make themselves look like retarded babies even though they are highly functioning people.
I have read that stimming can be small stuff like picking your nails or chewing on something too but wouldn't that be considered just a bad habit? idk I can think of almost everyone that I'm close to having a bad habit of doing stuff like that and they definitely don't have autism lol

No. 1345778

>>1345588
What kind of add?
Hyperactive give yourself something to do. Try sitting on an exercise ball or at a standing desk so you can move and not break focus.
Two cups of coffee thirty minutes before something you need to study for has a similar stimulate effect to a 10 mg Adderall. But it doesn’t have to be coffee just caffeine. Green tea, black tea, caffeinated cola, coffee, whatever floats your boat.
What’s your learning style? Is visual or doing or listening easier?
It’ll be okay anon.

No. 1345783

>>1345774
Yes we do. I pull my ears. It’s not just a bad habit and I’ve done it since I was a child, as way to handle too much stimulation and stress. I do it till the skin is raw and I bleed. Not from force but the compulsive over and over again touch but if I stop I’ll cry and scream. Like something deep inside of me. If the situation escalates I itch over and over again. In distress. They’re specific reactions to stimulation and emotions like some people cry. I pull my ears gently over and over again. I can’t cry. There’s more but hopefully that gives an idea.

No. 1345817

>>1345774
I stim, and as far as I know I'm not some drooling, babbling, tard strength having retard most of the time.
I usually move a lot, I rock myself or move my legs, sometimes I do vocal stimming which in my case is doing some sounds that I've picked up from games and videos as a kid.
I've done this completely unaware throughout my whole life, and it's part of the reasons why I was isolated by many, I was so nervous in school I would do random sounds, I was trying so hard to focus that I would start humming or rocking myself.
Because of the nagging from others I started picking my skin and scratching anything that feels like plastic, which fucks up my phone cases and in retrospect fucked up my erasers and mechanical pencils from back then, my hands are a mess full of scars and dark spots too, but I just didn't notice I was doing such things until someone would point it out so now it's too late and I don't know how to stop.

No. 1345923

>>1345774
I stim by rubbing my finger together, I'm pretty sure I take off like 20g skin a day, although it only got so bad it started bleeding once. I can do it relatively unnoticed, but sometimes if I get excited I'll do it over the table. I'm very "normal-passing" on most days, people usually just think I'm shy.

No. 1346036

Any anons struggle with sleep rituals or sleeping in general now or growing up? Things aren't as bad now but as a kid to teen I needed very specific sleep conditions, including needing classical music to fall asleep. I remember getting invited to sleepover by this friend who would soon turn bully, and she treated me like a freak and huge inconvenience for needing it to sleep. Obviously, I get it now, but back then I didn't understand what I was doing wrong. Then she told all the other girls about how weird I was and how I had bad manners. That's when my bullying really began for being a sperg. Oh, good times. I couldn't handle sleepovers for a long time because of my retard needs and I still feel a lot of shame for it.

No. 1346069

>>1346036
I have a bum-bounce stim that's only for helping me sleep, and that does not go well if I want to sleep near others. But I'm sorry your peers were mean nonna, if my childhood friends brought classical music to a sleepover I'd be so excited because it meant we wouldn't have to deal with radio commercials from my own sleep routine.

No. 1346970

>>1346036
I listen to ASMR so I always just bring headphones when I go to anime conventions. Unfortunately, they feel weird in my ears, but it's the best i can do really.

No. 1347998

Do you have an odd sense of humour? I noticed people do not find some things I show them funny while I cannot calm down from all the laughter.

Recently I realised people talking to inanimate objects/bots is very funny to me. I mean… They cannot respond as a normal person would do.

No. 1348064

I know sugar is supposed to be bad for ADHD/autism but does any else find it actually helps to calm them down? I’ve a few legal/illegal drugs and none of them have ever made me feel that great but dear god, sugar is amazing for me. Nothing is ever too sweet. It tastes like nectar and the calming feeling is wonderful.

No. 1348074

>>1347998
Yes, this is a typical sperg thing. I find that people who “get” me tend to think I have a great sense of humor and I’m able to make them laugh a lot without trying.

People who don’t “get” me think I’m a weirdo and so I tend to come across a bit reserved and boring until I feel that I can trust them.

No. 1348232

so I've posted about this before in this thread but I had my ADHD assessment today and I would like some insight into my results/detail of what happened.

it was a computerized test and they essentially gave me a clicker and made me wear a really stupid headband with a little ball on it. I had to click when like I saw the same shape/color again and ngl I was so bored and I had a hard time focusing.

in the end, a little chart popped up with my results and it showed a bunch of graphs I didn't understand but it gave me some number results saying that my activity was at 1.8, inattention was at 0.8, and my impulsivity was at a 3.2.

in the end, it said I was in the 99% percentile and I am going, to be honest, I have no idea what all of this means, and I'm really scared

I'm worried because in high school I had an iep/504 and I'm finally in school and I've been really struggling with the lack of accommodations but because I don't have a letter from the DRC from my school and to even get an appointment with them at my school I need to take this test and meet with my psychiatrist for them to even get me an appointment for the DRC at my school.

this kinda turned more into a vent as I started writing this but I would really appreciate other insight from other people that had a simular experience!

No. 1348269

>>1348232
That seems like a weird test. I could see myself either spacing out like you and doing badly or getting overly involved and getting an amazing score. Both of these are consistent with typical ADHD. How do they tell then who is normal or not?

No. 1352996

reading about peoples experiences hating showering is making me wonder, on top of a lot of other things, if i have asd

i am pretty high functioning i think and it doesnt affect my social life but there are a lot of weird things about myself that made me think

No. 1353026

>>1352996
I shower in the morning just because it's faster. But one thing I have difficulty with is temperature regulation, and I find this can be uncomfortable when I'm showering or taking a bath. (Or when I'm coming indoors after being outside while wearing a coat.)

No. 1353085

>>1352996
The shower is my safe place. The things I hate getting in and out. I always shower with dim lighting and haven’t taken a bright one since early puberty too much sensory input. Very stressed out a dark hot shower preferably with ear plugs to dampen some of the sound is my favorite place to be. Different people are different.

No. 1353197

>>1352996
Showering is stressful because I’m ritualistic about it. It’s a long and tiring event. I bought shower stool and slippers, they help. Still a huge chore.

No. 1353427

>>1352996
I don't hate showering but I find it painfully boring and a waste of time when I could be productive so I avoid it. Normally I put on an audiobook when having to do boring routine stuff but I can't even do that.

I only shower 2-3 times per week but don't feel or look dirty or smell. I would shower less if I could get away with it.

No. 1353560

>>1353026
>>1353085
>>1353197
>>1353427
i enjoy the shower itself but hate the process of getting out. hate it hate it hate it i would pay $1000 for something that would instantly dry me off when i am done with a shower. i have told people how much i hate the process of getting out of the shower and they just laugh it off like it’s not familiar to them. it is part of the reason i don’t shower as much as i should, tho i am also terrified of smelling bad so i spot wash areas with soap and water instead of taking a real shower

No. 1353716

Nonnas I found out today that I was diagnosed with autism at age 7 but my parents literally just didn't tell me. I've spent my whole life wondering why I feel so different from everyone else and my parents watched me go through hundreds of mental health diagnoses without telling me anything. It feels really freeing to finally know what's wrong with me, but I'm so pissed at my parents for keeping it from me this long

No. 1353730

>>1353560
Have you tried a towel textured bath robe? You can put it on before you step out so the cold air doesn't hit your body.

No. 1353740

>>1353716
I'm sorry nona. People have this weird idea that it's just a label, and that by avoiding having said label applied they can also avoid the accompanying stigma. But if you're autistic and unaware you don't know who you are or how to take care of yourself and ensure your well-being

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I did it, I made my cousin and my brother stop making fun of one time I just couldn't stop stimming.
It was a long time ago, but they still bring up the anecdote, and I didn't know until not too long ago what it meant, and that I couldn't control it back then and I never got to learn how to control it.
I don't know, I'm just sick of that because I was probably stressed out for being in a cramped backseat with my two male cousins and my brother being asshats and everyone making me feel bad for being a pudgy child, so all I could do was stim, and I would do it by meowing.
Which yeah, was surely obnoxious but it's not like I had any fancy toys or some shit to keep me distracted, I couldn't take a toy with me like a doll or something because when you're 11 years old you're too old for those things I guess.
Again, I know I'm overreacting but I just feel sad about my child self because I got diagnosed with autism at 17 years old, it was too late for me to get any sort of ways to stop stimming so much or I don't know, maybe get some tips to learn how to look more normal.
Instead I would always get picked on for being weird to the point in which I spent most of my childhood and teenage years thinking that I was retarded and that I just wanted to stop waking up, which then resulted in me being fully suicidal by the time I was 15 years old. I didn't really try killing myself or self harming because I was a religious nut back then, but I did think about it often.
I wish mental health and all that stuff could've been taken seriously in my country when I was a kid, maybe I wouldn't have gotten so relentlessly bullied back then, or maybe I would've found better ways to cope.
I don't even blame my family because it was all new and the whole concept of autism wasn't even a bizarre thought back then, it just didn't exist, you were either a drooling retard, a weird kid or a normal kid, nothing more, nothing less.
I don't really know what to do anymore, I'm still very suicidal, I still stim all of the time, I still go mute from time to time when I go outside.
I just want to be normal, I wish there were some pills or something to change the way my brain processes things, I always feel like I take so long to understand things properly, I take so long to react, I have to analyze shit so much that I end up exhausted.
I'm just so tired of everything.

No. 1353968

>>1352996
I didn't think too hard about it until now, but I do actually dislike showers. I usually take baths 2-3 times, because it's so relaxing to sit in hot water, while taking a shower for me is associated with rushing, and like others said, it's harder to control the temperature, especially in the winter.
I know a bath is more "wasteful" and not everyone has a bath tub, but it's honestly one of the most relaxing places in the world for me.

No. 1353971

>>1353730
that's a really good idea! i will look into that

>>1353968
i loooove baths but i have to shower first because for me, a bath isn't for cleaning myself, it is just to sit in some nice hot water and use some nice scented products

No. 1354077

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I have two things that absolutely annoy me because of the sensation they provide so I would be very grateful if anyone could help me

>Wearing body lotion / cream

I absolutely need to do this but I hate touching my body and I hate the sensation of having something heavy on. I can't afford buying any more new creams because trust me I have like a lot. How can I overcome this?

>Eating healthy

I really don't like most vegetables because of the weird textural sensations and bitterness of most of them. There's stuff like broccoli, corn, tomato, mushrooms, pepper and baby spinach that if I cook I actually do like and would consume. With potato I'm ok with the sensation and taste but I feel like it makes me fatter kek. What do I do?

No. 1354081

>>1354077
Potatoes are not that great, you can easily replace them with something else you'd like. Everything else you've listed is actually very healthy, so I'd say you're doing fine. Just stick to what you enjoy eating, it's good enough

No. 1354093

>>1353716
I’m so sorry anon. My mother did the same thing to me and it came out when I got my second diagnosis (I thought was my first) that it had already come out in early primary school. It’s very fucked up.

No. 1354095

>>1354077
Change when you’re putting the cream on. After showers is the worst. You’re wet and it sits on skin. Ten out ten do not recommend. Not right before bed. You’ll touch the sheets. Do you have a time you like to be mostly declothed. Like maybe you make tea in a loose night shirt? That would be the best time to put it on and then go make your tea so it can sit.
Tbh I know you said you don’t want a new product but they make body conditioner. Like body lotion for the shower. You rinse it off like soap and it doesn’t leave the same grease on the skin and you get the moisture. A lot of the other autistic people I know say it’s easier than lotion and I agree.
As long as your eating the veggies you like you’re okay. If you can do shakes and smoothies. You can also slip stuff in there. Potatoes are actually pretty nutrient dense. Scientist said that if you had to live off one food. Potatoes wouldn’t be a bad choice vitamin wise so don’t discount them. You can always hide them like parents do for kids. Think blending cauliflower into your potato soup. I also go volume sometimes. I like zucchini for example because I can cook one and literally be done in two bites.

No. 1354387

>>1354077

As far as eating healthy goes I know that they make concentrated powders with veggies and other nutrients in them that are tasteless, you just combine a teaspoon or so into whatever you're eating and you get nutrients

No. 1354389

>>1354077
Not directly mentioned, but I hate wearing sunscreen for the same reason. I usually just wear long sleeves or something like that

No. 1354577

I've never really shared anything I like with others and I don't really get what others get out of it either. I don't really praise or recommend anything to anyone, if I was asked for a "favorite" anything, I'd probably have a difficult time answering. I don't think I'd want someone to participate in what I like because it'd ruin the whole point of it bringing comfort to me. I can't even relate to infodumping behaviour.

No. 1354647

>>1354077
if you like potatoes try mashed cauliflower

No. 1354999

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Speaking of issues with sensations, how do I get over the sensation of sweating and smelling like shit after working out? thanks in advance

No. 1355008

>>1354999
Most people shower after workouts.

No. 1355078

>>1355008
I do so too, I just hate the sensation of being sticky as I do it and before getting in the shower

No. 1356216

No matter how much of an outcast I feel for being an autist, I thank my lucky stars that I am not a moid. I would be a societal menace if I had a y chromosome.

No. 1356233

>>1355078
They have post workout shower wipes you can use. Maybe look into those?

No. 1356687

>>1355078
This is so weird

No. 1357158

>>1354077
>lotion
Put it on and then rub for way longer than you would think to, a few minutes at least. The lotion will absorb into your skin much faster this way and you’ll be left with skin that’s soft without being really greasy.

No. 1357337

>>1337658
Did any anons get really into Animal Crossing NH when it came out and got unreasonably upset when the whole 'kick out ugly villagers' stuff was happening? Also videos of people harassing and hitting villagers made me cry. I have a lot of trouble with video games like AC or the Sims that are meant to simulate life because I assign feelings to them. I was told to get over it because they're just a bunch of code and not real but I couldn't help how I felt kek.

No. 1357360

>>1357337
my autistic obsession for the past 17 years has been animal crossing, so i relate very heavily. i get very upset at people who have bandwagoned into the animal crossing space in the past 10 years (since New Leaf) and have demanded and succeeded in turning the franchise into a shitty corporate dressup sandbox with no character interactions and most of the lore/npcs/minigames/online content is now completely scrapped because of these stupid fucking youtubers and instagram cunts ruining the game.
i get very VERY attached to my villagers and some have been in my DS town for over a decade. one of my favorites is cashmere and i get very upset when people make fun of her. i have detailed pages of lore for every villager and roleplay constantly; that's the fun of animal crossing for me. if you enjoy villager interactions i recommend wild world on the ds (it's my favorite), but the gamecube one is good too

No. 1357362

>>1357337
aw nonna that’s so sweet, you so sweet

No. 1357368

>>1357360
it really has turned into that. population growing was peak

No. 1357746

>>1357360
ACWW is/was my bread and butter. I played it for years. My all time favorite moments are when grumpy/snooty villagers go from "ew you're a stupid ugly bitch" to "my dad left when I was seven and I had to parent my five younger siblings. That's probably why I have a hard time with relationships. Thank you for listening and being understanding". Now everything is so sanded off and soulless. I hate New Horizions. I hate it with every fiber in my being.
>collecting lore and roleplaying the characters
based beyond comprehension. I do this with everything I'm obsessed with. Fanfic doesn't cut it for me. I need to become my special interest.

No. 1361149

Does any other autistic anons feel like they just really can’t connect with other girls? Like I try to befriend girls my age but I just don’t seem to connect with them even though I have some stereotypically girly interests or personality traits I still for some reason only connect or form my most meaningful friendships with guys which sucks for many obvious reasons.

No. 1361153

>>1354077
Do you like apple sauce? They make these apple sauce squeeze pouches with spinach or carrots and I can’t notice the taste of the veggies in them at all and I’m a super picky eater

No. 1361476

>>1361149
the only other autistic girls i’ve befriended have been ftms or the girlfriends of my autistic male friends

No. 1361582

>>1361149
i never thought i would make female friends but i got lucky and found a fellow farmer irl by chance who is obsessed with all the same cows as me. even though she isn't autistic like me we share a ton of hobbies and interests, and she is very understanding and sweet. i am so lucky to have her in my life, i never thought i would have this kind of deep connection and friendship with somebody.
what helped was i got more picky about the people i tried to befriend, narrowing it down to only bothering with people i have enough in common with to maintain a long-term friendship (then again i have one single friend so this advice may not be applicable to everyone else).

No. 1361602

>>1361582
Anon what the actual hell you are living my greatest dream. That is awesome. I hope that your friendship stays strong!

No. 1361640

>>1361149
I always had male friends mostly after girls bullied me for being a sperg. But in retrospect, males bullied me a lot more for being undesirable. Finding compatible girls was rare but I recently reconnected with a friend of my old bestie and we share so much together. I'm thankful for her and life is good.
My only fear is that due to female socialization she might be agreeing with me on stuff out of fear of rejection, in the same way I do. But even so, I am thankful to finally have someone like her in my life
>>1361582
Proud of you, anon!

No. 1361642

>>1355078
Just work out with an air conditioner on it should lessen the sweat.

No. 1361751

anyone that's on stimulants for ADD/ADHD, how do you deal with food? i've gotten really bad with forgetting/not wanting to eat once my medication kicks in and then eating bullshit once it wears off, or just not eating at all. it's a battle to force feed myself if my medication kicks in before i've made breakfast.

No. 1361759

>>1361582
I'm so happy for you anon, you're living the dream! Having a farmer best friend is awesome, I had one too but unfortunately she ended up being a pick me and ditched our friendship for a scrote.

No. 1361787

>>1361751
Meal replacement, protein bars

No. 1361789

>>1361582
Manifesting this for meee

No. 1361814

im the same anon that posted this >>1348232

my adhd constellation appointment is on the 5th and im so worried about it tbh.

>>1348269
sorry for the late reply i literally forgot i posted in this thread lol. but i looked it up and the type of test i took was something called the QBtest
http://conroe-adhd.com/add-adhd-resources/qb-testing.htm
https://www.qbtech.com/adhd-tests/us#

No. 1361857

Dx'd autistic and ADHD. Lately I've read a lot of books on social skills and ever since I've put the advice to practice I've started to honestly feel like a normie. Yeah I'm awkward sometimes, so what? Every awkward situation isn't 100% on me, other people can be awkward too. Eye contact is super easy now that I have more knowledge and don't stress it that much. Conversations flow naturally. I keep my sperging to myself. I legit feel socially skilled a lot of the time, and people seem to like me. Am I a master masker, or delusional, or was I misdiagnosed?

No. 1361912

>>1361759
lol incel

No. 1361958

>>1361857
Out of curiosity what books did you read? I could use some help also lol

No. 1362088

>>1361149
When I was young, the way girls communicated was foreign to me. I could understand them in some abstract sense, but could never actually organically talk the way they did and even with scripts couldn't mimic their attuned, bubbly? energy. I usually found it draining and it would sometimes make me angry/irritable as a little kid because I would just want them to "make sense" and stop dancing around issues, not realizing that's natural communication. Needless to say I was perceived as mean or weird and was ganged up on, mostly by girls, and GOD were they vicious. Boys were far more forgiving and easier to communicate with. There really wasn't much talking, it was mostly playing with masculine toys we found interesting, hot wheels, Beyblades, vidya, and anime (when it was perceived as somewhat weird), later it became hobbies like robotics and carpentry. I never had common interests with girls, I wasn't even sure what girls liked to do in their freetime since they used to shit on me for literally anything I enjoyed. All they ever seemed to do was talk about someone else. Even in adulthood, women's conversations are restricted to their partner, kids, Costco deals, and capeshit. I know it requires more time to open up about deeper issues, but my autism cannot handle constant small talk and maintaining the relationship by meeting up on my precious recharge weekends and hanging out at places that will drive my senses up the wall, just in hopes something might blossom from the investment. Even if something interesting comes up, like taking a woodshop class, odds are she can't make it because she popped a crotch gobblin with her neglectful nigel.

No. 1362588

How in the fuck do you all stay organized? I have a planner and at this point I know way more than the average person about organization and productivity in principle but it all just goes to pot in practice. I forget to eat, shower, do laundry, you name it, and it all just compounds until I'm running around like an emotionally volatile zombie. But when it comes to planning stupid one-off projects like a D&D campaign or a Halloween party, I'm unstoppable. I seem to be more successful with things that are neither recurring nor connected to my daily routine, and if I could just figure out how to transform all my terrible recurring, routine obligations into that format life would be great.

No. 1362721

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Decided to look through r/fakedisordercringe earlier just due to the pixielocks thread being stunk up and wanting to see redditors shittalk, only to peek at the autism tag and get reminded why I hate tiktok so much: the absolute bastardization of autism. Part of me wouldn't trade being autistic but its also been such a fucking stain on my life, the tiktok jokes are dogshit and I love how people throw up the most vague shit like "if you go to the bathroom to get away from a party youre autistic" like how about you shut the fuck up already. I also hate the assumptions I get when I work my one job, since I dress up in pastel fashions simply because I can and I love when people (usually kids) assume I have tiktok and ask for it. I wish I could fully live in peace sometimes but it just never ends

No. 1362994

>>1362088
>All they ever seemed to do was talk about someone else. Even in adulthood, women's conversations are restricted to their partner, kids, Costco deals, and capeshit.
I find most neurotypical people don't tend to have many deep interests or passions. I feel kind of sorry for them.

No. 1363018

>>1362088
Just tagging on because I find the issue of perception interesting, but I always perceived people being interested in other people as being no different from incessantly talking about a hobby. A hobby isn't necessarily any more relevant to how a person is than the people a person is takes interest in. Not to mention there are many people who can only talk about their hobbies/interests/people but there isn't much underneath there.

No. 1363066

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I haven't been diagnosed or anything yet but I plan to since I am currently searching for a psychiatrist/therapist to get the ball rolling
Anyone else get really bad symptoms during their period? I'm on mine now and my god I can't get myself to do anything
All I want to do is sleep and scour the internet for random shit to waste my time on so I can forget I'm alive
I have been autistically collecting pictures on pinterest for the past few months of random cute shit that just looks like random pink/pastel puke with sanrio characters
I have this urge to lay down on the floor in a room filled with plushies with cartoons on some TV in the background and drink strawberry milk from a straw while staring outside the window or at the ceiling
pic related to shit I collect

No. 1363082

>>1363066
none of that sounds like autism no matter how many times you abuse the label. what it does sound like is a need for escapism and being terminally online. maybe adress the issues making you check out of life before assuming it's a developmental disorder.

No. 1363132

>>1363066
I think this is pretty commonplace among young women. Just about any coping mechanism right now could be better interpreted as autism with how bleak things are. I know this isn’t a #bigbrained revelation and surely has been said thousands of times already but there’s clearly something very wrong with civilization right now for there to be such a huge spike in “autism”.

No. 1363155

>>1363066
nice bait retard

No. 1363179

>>1363018
True, it isn't a problem if someone talks about their partner or damily, it's only weird if they never ever talk about themselves as a person. There's a difference between someone telling what they do as a family unit or how they're mad attheir sibling, but when someone only talks about what their husband does or what HE thinks about the world, it gets annoying. Like, I'm talking to YOU, I'm not reading your husband's wiki fandom page, woman.

No. 1363219

Reposting from another thread as a call for help

>>1363192
>the average age for getting an autism diagnosis for a woman is closer to 30 whe