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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse!
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Recent Art Milk:
It's always the fucking same kek
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
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also, cow crossover lmao
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Pixielocks really wants to self insert into this
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This fanart makes her look like a porn star kek i’m tired…
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Thoughts on the recent pushback against flipping your artwork? It started primarily as pushback against the tweet on the left about the recent new starter Pokémon having a wonky eye. Although, I really don't understand why people are genuinely getting mad about it. It's always been a helpful tip when I do it.
>>1079579>it's not mandatory to fix every minor mistake
It is if you're doing commercial work and you're serious about your art. Obviously no one's going to be perfect but you should strive to improve. These people say shit like this because they don't actually work as an artist, they just doodle shit and demand everyone to like their works despite the mistakes.
Flipping the canvas works very well if you do it every once in a while to check if there are any wonky parts you're not seeing normally, but it becomes useless if you do it too much.
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Probably bcuz it doesn’t resemble the character (took me a good minute to realize this was Melina fan art)
even though the cat is cross eyed it isn't… awful. It isn't like the face is sliding off.
given that a majority of people didn't notice until someone started a trend to nitpick, it really is a minor mistake. Though you should fix mistakes when you can, art is inevitably going to have imperfections so long as it is made by a person.
Even when it is edited, the change is so barely noticeable you take an L by saying it's better than the original.
lol, flipping your canvas helps spot so much more
than just "minor mistakes".>>1079719
I try to fix as many mistakes as possible in the sketch before moving on. Then for the final piece, if it's really necessary, I either use a mirror or take a pic and flip it.
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Yet another Dunning-Krueger shartist shouting their unwarranted opinion on Twitter. Yawn…
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Just saw the stupidest callout I have ever read. Before this Zephyr person deleted their bio they mentioned being 23 years old, which means the both of them are in their fucking 20's calling this shit grooming. You were both minors, literally 2 years apart, do you have any idea what the concept of grooming is??? Shit like this really kills the severity of what these words actually mean. Everyone wants to be a victim
of something. Fucking Christ.
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lmao same with this guy>I never flipped my work. Never have.
yeah and it shows, buddy
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Kek i wonder how that conversation went this is too funny
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Bruh I dunno any of these people but what the fuck. Who does this? What’s wrong with these retards?
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Haha holy fuck this all started because that zephyr guy called out starteas for following some youtuber and an animation studio
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Imagine thinking like this. These people are mentally absent. You have to either be underage or picrel in order to involve yourself in this debacle.
this seems like a nitpick to be honest. Like the cat looks fine and I doubt anyone noticed until they brought it up. But the people defending to an insane degree are annoying too. I like drama as much as the next person but I feel like this is something that someone could look at and just go "who gives a fuck?"
I feel like people the only people heavily involved in this are people who like shitting on Pokémon and people who are Nintendo dick riders
I've been using tablets for a long time and have done a lot of research into it myself trying to decide what to buy, so I hope my responses will help you make a decision on what to buy:
>1.Do you feel like a big tablet is a must or is a small one fine for hobby purposes?
I'll always suggest at least a M sized intuos tablet or bigger, anything smaller and you're going to fuck up your wrists eventually. Bigger tablets are the way to go whether you're pro or just a hobbyist, they help you draw with your elbows and shoulders.
>2.If your tablet has no screen do you use the bluetooth mode often?
I have a cintiq now but I had an intuos for the longest time, honestly this isn't even a real factor for me since you're probably not going to be that far away from your pc whenever you're drawing anyway, and you gotta plug it in to charge. I will say that the battery (on the intuos 5 at least) lasts a really long time though, so if this is something you want, there's that. P.S. even on my cintiq I frequently switch to screenless mode and draw like that, in case this info is useful to someone out there.
>3.Which do you like more: a screen tablet like a cintiq or a standalone device like an iPad?
This is very much a personal preference thing, after getting my ipad I drew everyday on that thing, but immediately upon getting a screen tablet I neglected my ipad for 2 years since I prefer working on a computer, plus I don't like having to wait to draw after a couple of hours while the ipad is charging. You CAN draw while it's charging but it makes the touch screen and palm rejection all fucky on mine, and it gets pretty warm. It really depends on your needs, do you need a proper work space/efficiency? a tablet for your pc might be better. Are you looking to draw casually on the couch most of the time or do you want to do digital art outside? An ipad will serve you well. As for how to choose ipad sizes, pick one that's similar in size with the sketchbook size you're most comfortable with. I have a 10.5in ipad pro and it's nice because it's not too big to draw on the train and it's light enough to bring it around and draw at a cafe with friends.
Bonus information since this is already so long, if you're deciding between wacom or other brands like huion/xp-pen, the main BIG difference imo is the IAF (Initial activation force). The IAF on wacom feels much, MUCH nicer and you'll really notice a difference if you have a light hand. However, it doesn't mean xp-pens/huions are unusable, if you draw with a regular amount of force you probably won't even notice the difference, and even if you do, you can somewhat compensate it by messing with the pressure curves, this is a just so you know thing.
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Do any anons have experience with selling on Redbubble and could help me out? Specifically with color settings, their page is a little confusing in that regard. It seems like they want you to design in CMYK and then save as a png, which would turn the image into RGB because png doesn't support CMYK. But shouldn't that png also differ in color from the final print then? Or would that be a smaller difference than designing in RGB and then printing and that's why it's better? Or do you usually just design in RGB and then correct it later? Sorry, my understanding of this is kind of limited, I get why the colors would differ but I haven't made prints yet so I'm unsure of how it'd play out in practice or if I'm worrying to much about it.
Also her delusion about her health is stupendously amusing. She's blaming hack pain and kidney problems because of the car accident she was in back in 2019 as well as some previous job she had years ago (which I'm sure was just normal retail that required standing and bending, she didn't really say)
But she isn't even attempting to see that maybe, just maybe it's also because of her morbid obesity? We're seen her in her Ren faire video, she is more than overweight and she's getting older and having to carry a substantial amount of weight as you get older is bound to bring problems related to the back, knees, and overall joints.
I hope she eventually stops making excuses and really buckles down on her weight loss goals because she can only use the car accident thing for so much when it's not the only factor that's contributing to her physical pains.
Edit: "She's blaming her back pain and kidney problems
Also sorry for the double post video
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>Be a (former) 25K follower artist
>Retain several 100K follower artist mutuals after the rape accuser drama
>Draw a flavor of the month PokeGirl while her game is trending
What did Shunao mean by this?
I have no idea who this is but i looked him up on Google and this is the first shit that pops uphttps://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/i86ku1/shunao_fgc_artist_getting_cancelled_for_sexual/
Holy shit these are the most bottom feeder, bitter scrotes. Doesn't mode well for the artists' credibility that this is the audience he's cultivated.
Shunao seems to be the artist. But imo you're still kind of right, this is the kind of audience she has cultivated.
It turns out she has a thread on here >>>/w/139288
her art is terrible and she's still trying to grift and stream after all the drama lol
some people would rather do anything than get a real job
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>>1085535>>1085588>It's always a fun game going into their profiles to see how bad their art is.
I went into that guy's profile and watched one of his art streams on his Twitch just to see how he manages to draw with that attitude towards art advice.
He already had a sketch ready which was just badly copied from a photo (visibly uneven too, flipping would've helped here). But then he was forgetting to draw the goddamn forearm and had to be reminded by a chat member. Fucking kek, literally blind to his own obvious mistakes. This is the sort of person who throws a tantrum on Twitter telling you not to listen to the artists whose art is clearly better than theirs. Why do they feel so attacked though? I don't get it.
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Has anybody tried body kun/chan figmas? Are they actually helpful or just gimmicks? I've seen them trending around their release and not heard of them ever since
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And if you thought that was bad wait till you see her vtuber alt Furuya Mari.
Thinks that voice changer acapella is anything resembling quality in a world where seemingly every vtuber sings.https://youtube.com/watch?v=vMXQhYx7Rkg
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I keep seeing Turning Red clips on youtube and the art style and animation is completely repulsive I can't even watch the clips all the way through, it reminds me of that grubhub commercial. Luca had that ugly face animation too, but less obnoxious movements. Tf happened to Pixar??
Did Disney take Pixar's best animators and character designers for their Disney feature animations instead
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Still going to take it more than the new Ice Age which looks like someone stopped it mid render.
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>>1085402>>1085630>>1086568>>1086790>Smacktalking Shunao and her reincarnations>When both of her accounts have popular friends on her side>When lolcow and friends have accomplished virtually nothing with the secrets they have regarding her
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Sorry if you want me to move this question to another thread.. but if I wanted to pay someone to draw sketches of my dumb dog who passed, how should I navigate it? Should I order on a site like etsy?
Heres the weirdo.
And also, what would be fair pricing for a few different goofy expressions and maybe a inside joke phrase. Could I also ask for a digital copy, so i could make lil gifts for my family? (Like if I had shirts made, as a xmas gift)
As long as i dont profit off of the image- is that ethical?
There's many different sites nonnie
, it all depends on the style you want. I'm going to assume realistic since that's most common, Etsy is usually good, Fiverr is also a common site or you can find an artist through social media and see if their commissions are open. The pricing depends on skill, talent, etc. so I think for something realistic $50 is on the lower end, but for multiple images you'd probably have to pay more. I think most artists are okay with personal use but ask beforehand. Communicating as much as possible with your artists is key and helpful for the both of you. I hope you find a great artist to commemorate your adorable dog!
NTA but i've seen her step by step and it isn't really that helpful, the pic she used as an example is blurry and just not as polished as most of her pieces.
makes me wonder if she's one of those artists who don't like posting truthful step-by-steps in fear that people will 'copy her style' lol
>>1088167>makes me wonder if she's one of those artists who don't like posting truthful step-by-steps in fear that people will 'copy her style' lol
kek that's probably it
I'd tell that other anon to go check in the /ic/ archives
because that question has probably been asked a lot there
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She has some step by steps but most of them are kind of old and don't really reflect her current art style anymore.
This is the newest one I found on her Twitter acc, there are some others but the rest are literally that "how to draw an owl" meme where there's a barely coherent sketch and the next step it's almost complete. This one is like >>1088167
said, kind of blurry and doesn't reflect her usual art style.
Didn't she bitch about some artist drawing too similarly to her in the past or am I mixing things up? Either way she does seem like the type to do that seeing how her "tutorials" are so unhelpful and she loves to think that her art is superior.
Apparently she has, multiple times, the only reason it doesn’t spill over is because she really shit talks on weibo, in Chinese, it’s pretty much blocked aside from the international version, but even then with mo skills in reading Chinese it’s pretty much useless. This lets her say shit, and delete, so in short, in a two faced way she can keep her two accounts of Twitter and weibo without consequences. Apparently it has spilled over a few times, but nothings came off it since Rei’s a big artist, very weird she’s crazy about “copying,” considering her style is broadly a trendy style that I’ve seen many well skilled artists do, her art is undeniably pretty but her attitude isn’t.
being forced to wear a nametag at work that said something other than your name and work position is invasive. 99% of the time gender is clocked accurately, it's in our biology to be able to do so. If a trans person wants to wear a pronoun tag, whatever, but for these people to pretend no one's gender is known without a nametag is laughable.
Imagine if gay people demanded everyone wear a tag stating their sexuality so they accidentally don't hit on a straight person and get their face beat. The entitlement from the genderspecials shows how not oppressed they are
I hate the look of that movie as well, and I also massively avoided Luca bc of its fugly animation also. The overly simplified cartoony look that is popular in media nowadays is so horrible to look at. I know this is incredibly vapid to say, but that's how I feel. These works legitimately feel like work pandering to the common denominator. Like all style is starting to bleed into the same blobshit now and look the same.
I might end up watching Luca just bc it seems really cute when I actually payed attention to the trailers but idk about this one.
You can try Etsy or Fiverr, but also you can see if there's an artist that has a good style and that takes commissions. Pretty sure someone would certainly be okay with letting you print the sketches on something for non-commercial reasons.
There are some excellent artists who draw animals in a non-furry way and take pet portrait commissions.
Im not sure what you mean, nonnie
. a lot of the russian artists I follow have always been excellent in terms of skills and art. So, I follow many of them. I haven't notice a rise of popularity, though.
I know what you mean, but they're nothing new. I've been seeing faux-artists who solely exist on Instagram just to sell fake usually stolen stamp "brushes" for Procreate and whose art is just noise-filter Pinterest girls with highlights, neon pinks, and the same low effort hyperrealistic fake painting equivalent to those cartoon filter apps.
a lot of them ride off of the back and aesthetic of similar russian thiefs like bluesssatan, angelganev,lil.milkyskin, caurlette, taozipie, acetaldigital, heymaryjean and ynalast.
i do wonder if there is some larger plot or get rich quick scheme school pumping these frauds out. worth a deeper look
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Do any nonnies know if there's any milk on Gutmouth and Binathewitch?
They used to sperg about their ocs together all the time but it seems like they had some kind of falling out.
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Weird how following the nixeu/clamychan/whoever call out here a few months ago that "lil.milkyskin" account deleted all her old style artwork and started completely posting wlop style rip offs same as nixeu.
So I guess this is the same person?
Anyway sorry for the blog post. It's just this woman aggravates lol. I want to like her because we're close in age only I'm 3 years older and I think her content ca make for good background noise when driving and provided the topic isn't too annoying.
Does anyone know any other artists on YouTube who make videos like hers but tend to be older like at least in the very late 20s to 30s? I know that art commentary is a thing but most the people I come across tend to be teenagers still in high school or freshly out of high school (16-24) and I'd love to find some other art channels that do this kinda thing but happen t obe at least (28-35+). I just need someone new to tune into lol.
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Anons, does Pixiv have a system where underperforming enough times will gut your visibility?
Are the popular characters over there different from the ones on Twitter?
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do you guys know any good art tutorial on how to draw clouds like this? i just continue to find anime-ish clouds and i want something that looks painterly art is by henrywongdraws on twitt
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kek she needs the practice
Holy shit how do you miss the shape so much
Like cmon, the bottle looks like a fucking dress hahaha
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Oh my god, I saw this the other day and had to laugh. What is that bottle even there for if your design doesn't reflect it at all, not even color-wise? Just feels as if she's trying to copy artists like @ksk535 that actually do it well
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it seems that's exactly what shes trying to do. I checked out that artist and they don't completely miss with the design. Picrel is pretty cute.
The fact that the designs look generic and basic as fuck makes me laugh on top of them having nothing to do with the reference pictures. Yueko seems to have the same level of creativity as a crappy OC weeb artist on Twitter.
They seem like mid-tier waifu designs you'd see in the most basic chinese gacha. Also the Genshin Ganyu inspo in >>1095219
is way too obvious.
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There are so little references back to the thing she's trying to make a design off of. It's like she's afraid of using the material right in front of her, especially for the second one. So many missed opportunities for a really cool design. >>1095278
is still simple but the artist was still clever about how the design of the cup was integrated in the design.
On a side note, I love art like this. Character design is so cool and the process is really interesting.
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Lol @ Yueko not even being able to keep her “tragic backstory” straight. For years she talked about her parents abusing her and how she escaped while working a minimum wage job and doing art on the side. Now she’s saying she makes NFTs to make money to please them.
is there more context to the tweets? cause i dont see where she's saying she does anything to please them.
and in general abusive
situations just tend to be complicated. you can escape an abusive
household while still maintaining contact with your parents for different reasons because abuse and abusive
situations tend to be emotionally complicated.
Lol no need to get to angry over this, nona. Besides the other nona is right, it's fairly common for brush artists to make their brushes available in one way or another so it's like, perfectly reasonable to expect them to release something to the public even more if they keep showing it off and going on about how great it is. It's as if a merch artist kept showing off their new enamel pins but never put them up for purchase even though they're known for doing it.
Also, not everyone knows how to make a brush that's actually good. Making a brush is easy, making one that can actually mimic oil paint blending with correct texturing without it seeming fucky or too blurry for example is a challenge even with youtube tutorials around.
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I don't know what your opinion on this is, but I feel like kinsonas are just an excuse to rip off an already established character.
also, while I understand being proud of making a good brush, if you are basically making promos for it by saying look how amazing, versatile and easy this brush makes doing something, then why not release it for purchase or free? You basically made an ad for the brush.
I don't think nona is really entitled for being frustrated or annoyed with it. They basically watched an ad for a product that is unavailable. Most artists who make their own brushes and don't intend on selling them or making them available to the public don't show them off.
There's a difference between showing off and getting upset and sad because you assumed they'd give it out. Even for your enamel pin example. Why doesn't anon put on big girl pants and just ask if there will be a published version instead of quietly waiting and fuming over it?
And learn how to make brushes. Don't coddle these people.
Unless they mean how people on tiktok show off a brush because they couldn't find one themselves and are proud of the finished work they did. I see a lot of this. Making your own custom brushes doesn't mean you have to give them or. Anon might even be assuming it's an add and not just a show-off moment.
Would be nice if they provided an example.
>>1096810>And learn how to make brushes. Don't coddle these people.
ah yes because learning how to make a GOOD brush is sooooo easy. anon, there's a reason why brush artists make a living in the first place. making brushes that are actualy good and helpful is quite hard. sure, you can sit and make a little custom or a simple brush yourself, but it'll be nothing compared to a brush made by an artist who specializes in making them. MAINLY if you're an artist who hasn't mastered the textures that…you know…you want a brush for exactly so that you can learn how to make said texture. if anyone could just do a brush that perfectly mimics certain textures or effects then brush artists wouldn't exist or wouldn't make money like they do. why pay for a brush pack if i can make it myself for free?
honestly you sound like some angry brush artist that's pissed off that someone dared to feel upset that some brush artists love to show off brushes they know are good to the public and then never make them available.
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No, it's a redesign of tree hugger from mlp that they claim to be an oc.>>1096822
They call it an oc, even though there's nothing original about it, which is what bothers me.
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Lol, didn't she throw a bitch fit over someone calling her out for being unoriginal
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a question for all nonitas in art fields-specifically the animation/media industry: how many of you are also crypto terfs and dying on the inside? i feel like people are starting to notice that i grey rock all trans topics which are coming up more and more in the workplace. i dont want to stir up trouble but im also not a liar. i wish i was a normie accountant or lawyer so i didn't have to deal with this bullshit. pls tell me im not alone.
I'm practically a reactionary so I used to be on edge all the time. I've mellowed out over time so now I like to say I'm progressive on gender and leave it at that. Just avoid people who want to turn every little thing into a purity spiral. Their views aren't as toxic
as their personality.
get into a serious school like Art Center or RISD or Pratt, or take online courses. Lower end art schools are filled with people who treat being an artist as a lifestyle and aren't serious about working in the industry and their art sucks lol
basically surround yourself with serious people wherever you choose to get your education. you can learn art anywhere, but making art alongside people who are just as serious as you helps a ton.
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Omg, isn't this the same person who draws mlp porn.
I believe their nsfw Twitter is PapaYolky. https://twitter.com/PapaYolky?t=GmbjdnvfZE9NMThvCVGhyw&s=09
depends where you go and what country you're in. if burger i wouldn't recommend, since i know so many people who got the skills because of it but are fucked constantly by even 200k of student debt and can't find a job to start paying it back. with resources you can pirate you can learn things yourself and find some irl groups, meetings and go to figure drawing classes or something. basically same in parts of europe where you have to pay.
if somewhere where it's free and you're in proximity of a big city it isn't a bad idea, but if you're from small city like 400km away it will kill you with living costs. almost went myself but with current inflation i wouldn't survive and guess it would be too much of pressure. studying stuff on my own pace and drawing what i want, keeping it a hobby i want to make into side gig is better than trying to make it in highly oversaturated market, because i'd feel like i'm making my hobby terrible and making it a chore instead. but honestly do what you're feeling you want
i may be wrong, but i think these topics have also started popping up in normie jobs as well
not as much as animation, but still
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I've been seeing putting light on the side of the nose that would normally be in shadow a lot more recently. I think this trend looks weird just like how the eyes bleeding into the lower eyelashes trend looks weird. Is it supposed to be some illusion I don't understand? Not a jab at this particular artist, just stumbled upon this pic on my dash that kinda shows what I mean.
Is all fake outrage for sure because when you then ask people what they should refer to you as when talking to someone, they then get mad and grumpy and grumble "she" or "he". Some flip out and say "JUST USE MY NAME ONLY" which sounds way worse in normal convos and sounds like you're trying not to forget their name.
These people need to chill. It's not that serious. Especially because it's online, a lot of people don't like showing their cameras, some women who are femi but have unfortunate features get called "he" and vice versa. It's too not make someone feel bad but also courtesy. They get mad if they have to ask, so silently posting it isn't doing harm.
This is the stupidest shit I've ever read and I'm pretty sure you're just the same anon as >>1098709
talking to yourself. You're not changing anyone's minds about preferred pronouns in the workplace. Go back to twitter.
NTA. Calm the fuck down. >>1098709
I wouldn't make it mandatory either fave to face, but if someone wants to wear a pin, they can. They shouldn't force it as standard for everyone else in the office because its norm for most people what their pronouns are based on standard looks for males and females. Someone who doesn't fit the norm should be the one wearing or telling the pronouns if there is an issue, even if they present as a cis gender.
It really is all fake outrage between the cows and the farms. Really just two sets of tards going at each other while most normal people are somewhere inbetween.
even for trans people unless they are the terminally online "trans" that has no intention on transitioning or they are -very- early in their transition, most of the time they get clocked as the right gender.
i'm the original anon and i really dont want to derail the thread, i was more referring to others questioning why i don't protest dave chapelle or childhood transition bans on twitter or irl. i just pretend im lazy when i don't put pronouns in email/slack. tbh i'm treated worse by males when pronouns are listed, but that's just me.
all in all i'm tired of my work and personal life being intertwined, like protesting and politics have never been so present in my day to day workplace and i just want to work with normies. i've had jkr brought up several times this week and i just smile and nod. i just want to be free of this cringe.
can’t offer anything but my thoughts and prayers, as a fellow crypto terf
navigating the art world i salute you
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Get back to twitter.
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I hate when artists get mind-infected by the tranny/theythem woke retard plague. Demanding that people call you "it" is one thing, but their art always gets worse too. Like there is a legitimate sharp decline in art quality once the cringe kicks in. You can look at an artists timeline and pinpoint the exact moment. You'll see a unique interesting art style change into ugly amorphous low quality shit. I've seen this happen with like 7 artists so far and I'm sick of it.
Can we not keep derailing with terf
talk and pronouns? This is an art thread. No one cares that you hate pronouns. Wrong thread for that.
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The lack of creativity is amazing. Generic anime girl with animal ears and lingerie and the stiff posing sends me
nta but not every criticism of transgenderism is terf
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holy shit anon. I looked up their work and it's gorgeous! Thanks for the tip, bc I'm definitely going to use it as a good reference point
OH this guy! I really like how they render their work and follow them on twitch.
A little off topic, but I really miss the speed paint days of YouTube. Idk if anyone else had so much enjoyment of watching art process videos, but i wish there were more platforms like twitch where artists are able to show/explain their process in drawing without the payment
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Shes "taking time away from selling nfts to improve". looking closer at her recent art I think shes actually getting worse at drawing in general kek.
shes been holed up in a airbnb/hotel in australia with her cintiq so you would think she would have improved even a little bit since she can't get home. Yes,she brought her whole ass cintiq etc to visit her bf who lives outside of NZ.
She's so tacky. Picrel is hers
I like the inanimate object designs, i just wouldn't try to say they are based on them 1:1. To each their own. Ill take >>1099040
I prefer their soft shading over these ugly >>1099261
Kanacol or whatever they are called type designs. some of these look badly traced over, especially the male faces because they don't even look the same as the girls in style. They are completely different and not just because it's supposed to fit the character, I mean in the way it is drawn too in general.
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This artist is pissed because they lose followers everytime they post a selfie oh my god can you get over yourself. maybe people just came here for art and don’t care to see it. Yeah it’s your account and you can post what you want - but that also means people can unfollow whenever they want. Half the time when artists post selfies it’s to fish for compliments anyway .
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She can be a little annoying at times but its not that deep imo. I like her work so I just ignore her other tweets.
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Imo yue peaked as an artist right before she started doing nfts because she actually had to rely on her technical skills to get work instead of just getting paid for pandering as an uwu crypto waifu. Her art post-nfts has somehow managed to become even flatter and stiffer than before.
her art pre-nft at least had a nice painterly style, it was the right amount of detailed and looked quite visually impressive despite the dead expressions and stiffness.
now her art looks like any generic cute anime waifu art with obvious genshin influence imo
I can't believe I used to look up to yueko, but with this NFT bullshit and degrading art quality, is this is what it feels like to get milkshake ducked>>1099938>>1100205
I thought this was gonna be someone with sub-10k followers or something but nah it's an established artist with 200k and losing maybe a few hundred you'd get back 10-fold the next day does seem really insecure. I mean, is the follow from some nobody who follows a thousand other people who drops you because you dared show your face really that important to you?
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imagine paying for art like this when she puts 15+ hours into her own promo art kek
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I remember seeing this fad from KR artists and as usual westerners aped it with no regard on composition picrel
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Artfol had a kickstarter and I just saw it fell pretty short of its goal. The devs have promised to keep working on it and implement the features listed in the campaign, but considering how much people's interest dropped in comparison to last year I kinda feel like it's a doomed project. Maybe it'll change once the web version is out, but I wonder if it'll actually make a lasting impact. Why do art platforms keep failing to take off despite people craving for a good one?
It's because it's either run by scumbags from the jump, it was just someone's pastime hobby they 'didn't expect' would blow up/to pay for, or you get puritanical kids shrieking about the morality of nsfw.
The time to create a website like that and have it have a chance of lasting was 15 years ago. It probably won't happen again. Artists have a better shot at just building their own sites rather than signing up to something that's going to collapse within a few months.
why do we need another social media focused on likes, followers, numbers, popularity, like every other site.
how about an art site that hides all your numbers and just focuses on the art, that'd be something new.
draw a rough sketch of the entire body before going into details. break it down into individual shapes. points on the body like elbows, knees, ankles, neck, ribcage, will help you separate the body parts at the right spots. memorize human proportions.
use a photo reference of a person in a bikini or tight fitting clothes so you see their shape accurately. do this a thousand times until you get good.
Since they're filling in a form without knowing whether they'll get a spot or not I don't want to make them spend too much time on it, so normally I just ask for their username and references, which they can either link or upload. If I decide to take their request I'll get back to them and ask for details about their commission and PayPal address for the invoice.>>1106027
Not a dumb question at all! I only contact the ones I picked and then I announce on my account when I've finished doing so, this way those who didn't get chosen will know not to keep waiting. I hate saying no too so this works for me without having to send out generic rejection emails or something of the sort. I'm not sure if people would prefer that though, personally I wouldn't but maybe others think it's cold not to contact everyone? Either way I make it clear on the form that this is how I do it.
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I like retweets as much as the next person but this whole thread reeks of entitlement
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Little did he know, there's such a thing as negative help where you get a notification and its from one of your regulars (whose RT provides no benefit) instead of the 1 specific person you wanted a like from.
I think a lot of newer artists (and some veterans too, mind you) have issues with how internet spaces work for art in general.
People are being introduced to hundreds if not THOUSANDS of pieces of artwork a day. There is such an oversaturation of artwork online it's impossible to avoid. The competition to even get a crumb of engagement is fierce. Most people are only going to engage with art on a surface level basis because there's so much of it.
They'll go, "cool pic" like and move on. Rarely do people share art themselves or even comment (but I know some of these people would complain regardless because they didn't do it the "right" way, but I digress).
You got to give people a reason to stay. Art isn't always "hashtag relatable" memes that people actively want
to share. And because of that, some people are going to be turned off by it. It is what it is. Twitter favors bite-sized posts anyways so that you can quickly engage with content and move on. It's not really made for long-term interactions or deep analysis. If you want more of that, you're better off on a forum or DA as despite those platform's flaws.
This is very true, overstimulation has killed art consumption. To get engagement, you have to give people more than just a pretty picture.
Normies don't care that you rendered a hand perfectly, have perfect anatomy and color, or you have the bestest figure drawings in your class. You need to give them a story, this is why fanart will always work. Or give them something that is visually pleasant to look at, this is why girls/plants/pastels/cute work. Give them hashtag relatable. Give them furries or porn. If your art falls outside these categories you won't be popular online. This doesn't mean you'll never have any audience, you just need to work harder to find the audience interested in your work.
Numbers are not a direct correlation to money earned, so I don't understand artists who whine about numbers.
The main issue with this thread is that realistically, not everything is going to be liked or tweeted because people are exposed to so much.
The thread has some good points but it ultimately comes off as entitled and guilt-trippy.
There's an overlooked point to be had in that the algorithm, even if you follow someone, even if you have notifications turned on, will just… not show you their content. If you don't interact (like, comment, etc.) then it isn't uncommon for the algorithm to just push them off your feed. The algorithm has made it to where it is hostile towards both artists and consumers considering the number of consumers who complain that the people they want on their feed are not there but they constantly get stuff they don't want to see shoved down their throat.
The algorithm strives for interaction. Sites like Instagram and Twitter are better than say Tumblr because likes actually mean something. On Tumblr, you have no choice but to reblog something because likes are not visible and YouTube is known for not showing you content from creators even if you are subbed and have notifications turned on. But that isn't the fault of consumers, it's the fault of the platform itself.
I don't disagree with what you said, but the thing about art having to have a story to tell has always been present, just look at the greatest classic paintings, or cavemen drawings.
Most likely only the people interested in the process of painting (e.g. artists themselves) are gonna pay attention on the figure/portrait studies and rendering.
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Here we go again
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That's a brave stance coming from someone draving shit like this
this isn't worse than >>1108976
imo, at least you can argue it's cute and trying to emulate cutesy 90s anime art and there aren't ridiculous boobs in the way for coomers. I'm probably missing the context here though.
this nillo dude had a tweet go viral, which in art twitter means some schizo is gonna check their tweets to find something problematic
and he's been spammed with his callout thread for days now. Usual 'said offensive shit' stuff.
the probable context is that someone decided to make a thread showing artists "the proper way" to draw a kimono and of course, it being Twitter, they used the most condescending wording possible that basically amounted to "don't draw like this, draw this" and citing the fact that that they're a kimono stylist even though a lot of japanese artists don't even bother drawing kimonos the proper way.
Yeah vanillapudingo drew coomer bait but the sentiment is still the same that the point of drawing is to be creative. i'd rather deal with coomer bait because i can just block/mute/ignore whatever i don't like as opposed to having to deal with assholes that have a stick up their ass because someone drew something "the incorrect way" and can't handle blocking/muting when they see shit they don't like.>>1109176
don't have to but don't throw stones when you live in a glasshouse. Looking at Nillo guys art, it looks like they drew that specifically in response to the kimono discourse tweet. From a quick scroll on their Twitter like, 80% of their work is sfw
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No he's right that kimono does looks like shit.
For context, VanillaPuddingo's tweet was in response to picrel
do they know Japanese artists in Japan also draw the boob curve? lol
This is so dumb.
>>1109791>even advice as innocuous as flipping your canvas to see mistakes easier gets them frothing
Why would they be triggered
over that though? Such a weird thing to be angry about kek.
same but if you really pay attention nobody cancelled really goes away, so as long as you can prepare yourself to survive a couple weeks of onslaught you will be fine.
you shouldn't let fear keep you from success. you deserve to be successful.
100% agree with this statement anon. it's a shame bc i really respect the artists on twitter who just post their work and focus on their skills rather than schizo post every 20 seconds.
there is SO MUCH bad art on twitter i see everyday on my tl that pisses me off but i have at least the social awareness to not just qrt someone's art w/ "lol this sucks". where do people get this kind of attitude? you're only gonna draw more negative attention to yourself and potentially drive away commissioners with such an attitude.
Seconding Ohuhu, they're especially good because they are so cheap for the amount of ink in them. I have filled almost an entire page with a single colour and it's not even a little bit dry. Their build quality is decent and the nibs feel juicier than Copics, which can be a good or bad thing depending on what you're going for. However the ink quality and blendability is not as good as Copics and I think they smell worse. Also their pastel colour range is nowhere near as good as Copics. Ohuhu's are very saturated and have very few truly pastel, desaturated, or light colours (so there's not really any analogues to Copic 000 and 0000). This limitation is what led me to finally investing in Copics.
Vidrel is the closest I've seen any artist come to an output similar to Copics with Ohuhus. Most work made with Ohuhus tend to be too dark and saturated. Copics let you use more layers of ink to change saturation and value while Ohuhu's get you there in two layers. This can be a pro or con depending on what you want, for me I prefer Copic's more light handed feeling where Ohuhu's get too dark too fast.
Same anon, forgot to mention in the long term, if you use markers a lot like for your work or every day Copics are by far the most affordable option, which works out since they're also the best quality. Refilling them and being able to buy a single colour, or nib replacement instead of a whole set for a single marker is huge. I'm glad I only bought one set of Ohuhu's before investing in copics. I think I'd have regretted it if I spent any more money on amazon brands, though I think they are ok for trying out the medium if you're new to it or a casual hobbyist.
Honestly though if I were to do it over again I'd just buy 6-12 copics to start with and not spent anything on dupes.
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does any anon know how to get the soft but texturey effect that chinese artists do to mimic old paintings? i know there was a whole brush debate but i think it looks really nice
probably made with a variety of soft-edged and soft texture brushes, and added noise filter.
both drawings utilize a very thin lineart to indicate form and clothing folds. there's no strong light source, so no intense shadows. colors blend together like watercolor, so there isn't an area with a solid color fill. both characters seem to blend into their backgrounds, so matching the character's colors to the background colors seem key to achieving this look
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Yeah she spend so much time trying to modify the body, she made some really strange choices. I don't understand why she made the thighs thicker it looks very goofy. Also she added a red bindi which symbolizes marriage but im pretty sure she wanted to make a child like character? The hood is cute however it's a separate piece of the doll, without it she doesn't look lke a red panda at all. All the other dolls seem to be actually part animal. Oh well it's not her worst doll ever, that one will always be the eart dragon for me.
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It seems like this one is a miss for a lot of people. I actually think this a really cute design- I'm a fan of baggy silhouettes and cuter characters with more almost kidcore(?) aesthetics in contrast with the sort of holographic unicorn generica Dollightful seems to fancy- but whyyyy give her a red bindi like she's a child bride?
I'm wondering if this will become another scandal like her Wendigo apology video or if most people will get over it. I think it's really odd for someone who seems committed to diverse doll customs to be so…clumsy with it?
On the topic of Dollightful, I hate her color choices. I think she's good at doll customizing- making new body parts, sewing clothes, and the faceups. Her digital art is extraordinarily good. But her colors kill me.>>1112928
The moth: lavender, yellow, green. no.
Deer girl and unicorn girl are fine.
Jester panda: not touching this one
Mermaid: purple, teal, blue, green, silver, gold, so cluttered!
It really pains me to see this decline in quality because she's a skilled artist. Maybe she needs to take a break.
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Not sure if you nonnies have seen the drama surrounding Saruei_ (popular french vtuber/artist) But I find it fucking hilarious because it is definitely a case of an ego too large it's combusted.
I hope this first, but sage just in case it doesn’t.
I’m really salty about how /ic/ is probably one of the best online art communities rn but the rampent coomer culture and “asian jeans” holds it back.
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>>1113233>I think it's really odd for someone who seems committed to diverse doll customs to be so…clumsy with it?
Kek i was thinking the same thing. Not many people seem to be bothered abou the bindi, she can easily change it. I'm still kinda sad that the wendigo doll has been removed. It was made so well. >>1113238>Her worst doll is still the greek night godness
Do you mean pic related? I remember that this doll didn't go well and she ended up repainting it fully or something.
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Also sorry to samefag but i really wanted to say that i like the face up she did for this doll but the hair really bothers me.
If you're a fan of anime, most of the stories center around teens, but they're still cool stories? When you watch these stories you don't picture irl bratty teens. idk, there's a disconnect there that happens when it's an animation. Same for novels like harry potter, hunger games, etc. and videogames which feature teens.
Though I get suspicious of grown people drawing tons of fanart for shows aimed at little girls like my little pony
Nah, I specifically try to follow artists that draw either a variety of character ages or adults.>>1114954
Not trying to, it just sucks where you happen across a cool piece of art. Then you check out the artist's body of works and its either boring Genshin stuff or schoolgirls only. Just sucks to see good skills used to draw the same thing.
That's just bad writing. It's the easiest way for like setting up a pressure cooker of drama. They're still reliant on their surroundings, usually have little to no autonomy. They are forced to go to school and interact with other characters all day that they normally wouldn't (like if it was a job they could quit/leave). They can't leave (normally don't have a car or can't drive). It's easy to make them a forgivable bad character because they're naive and young. It's just lazy writing.
Most of these adults writing for teenagers are immature adults. I rewatched Sabrina the Teenager Witch a couples years ago and she is so insufferable but I totally related to her character as a teenager. Same when reading YA novels now as a late 20 year old I just can't.
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Bumping this cause there's cp right under this thread
Not either of those anons, but people just have comfort zones (I'm not talking about animes, just individual creators and illustrators). Some just stay in their zones way more than others, that's why you see people who draw a lot but never improve because they just draw the same thing over and over. I'm sure you have your own comfort zones. It's not that deep. >doesn't it get boring to keep drawing the same types of characters all the time
The same type of characters as in teenagers? You're asking if it gets boring drawing people of the same age group all the time? kek
Then why should it matter? Most teen art that is marketable is made by adults. I don't know what else you're looking for. No one is hiring kids to write batman comics about the early days of Damian or to write Rugrats. Everything you consume, as teen, is most likely written by adults or drawn by adults. Just because you grow up doesn't mean you can't also still participate in the type of art medium and design you always have, especially if you're able to market it.
What exactly do you want people to say?
tell me you don't know what stunted development means without saying you don't know what stunted development means. Adults do not just "skip" teenage years and it is still possible to relate to a teenage character because you may have had those same feelings or thought processes when you were the same age.>>1116854
Basically. Have you seen the writing of actual children? It is atrocious 90% of the time. Adults make things for kids all the time because children can't do it themselves.>>1117258
It sounds more like you're just bored of high school settings/characters and turning it into an art issue. On a meta-perspective, there is a reason why a lot of stories feature teenage characters and it is primarily the room for growth. Yes, you can make the argument that adult characters can grow too but it isn't the same nor does it carry the same tone. In reference to anime, in particular, the reason why a lot of anime features teens or younger characters is that adult life is very "strict". There isn't a lot of room for wacky, fun, immature adventures.
Take Aggretsuko (despite the more down-to-earth setting) versus something like Toradora.
As an adult, running away to be with your crush because they're moving away is less acceptable than teenagers doing it. Similarly, Ami (blue-haired girl) would be pretty more of a gossipy bitch if she was 25 versus 15 if you kept her same personality and actions. It's a lot harder to "justify" adults getting into fights and behaving like… well teenagers versus teenagers behaving like teenagers.
As a teenager, a character probably isn't going to be thinking of marriage as a way of getting out of work because they're tired of being abused by their boss. Teenagers probably also will not consider breaking off a relationship just because they want to be married even though their partner doesn't and stand their ground when their partner says marriage isn't necessary.
And even adult characters tend to fall into the same archetypes as teenage characters. So really I don't know what response you want to "Isn't it boring to draw teenagers all the time?" because change teenagers to adults and you have just about the same issue.>>1117320
say that to literally almost all major artists in history then.
you smell like those woke karens who throw a fit and yell 'pedophile kidnapper' when they see a single dad walking around with their baby/young daughter
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oh also>say that to literally almost all major artists in history then
you're an ignorant retard lmao in what universe do you live in where almost all major artists in history
drew EXCLUSIVELY, or even mostly teen girls?? your hentai collection isn't "history" dumbass
>say that to literally almost all major artists in history then.
Ah yes, I totally remember how Da Vinci, Caravaggio, Van Gogh and etc would draw nothing but young girls.
You need history classes asap.
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Puppychan got called out again. I’m not defending her but using this out of context convo out as proof of her being a “groomer” is insane. [1/2]
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There was this disappointing exhibit at a museum that featured this male Japanese artist who exclusively made paintings and sculptures of these young girls. He says they're all self-portraits too. Creeped me out.
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Suicide baiting as always. [2/2]
>Supposedly groomed into a diaper fetish
kek if i havent seen it happen then it doesnt happen behavior.
terminally online redditors, 4channers and farmers
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>>1117596>say that to literally almost all major artists in history then.
Kek, woman was a popular subject in the academic back then but it's mostly adult and legal aged woman.
Only go into furry if you’re committed to it. They aren’t as rich as you think they are and they’ll ask you to draw all sorts of degen shit. It’s not a way to instantly make money, you gotta hustle to build a following still.
t. Furry artist
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Something about those necks bothers me
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To pinpoint what may be bothering you, this is an issue many younger artists make. Their proportions will be all over the place because they're still trying to figure out how to stylize certain elements. Most of them tend to grow out of this with learning experience, but it's a common issue with beginner work.
Anime art styles, even cutesy ones, benefit from simplifying details. These include the eyes, nose, mouth, and even neck. The main issue here is that the neck is too long and thin for the head shape being used. If the head had less detail and the head was rounder, you could totally make it work, but it sticks out so much because everything else has more "details" to say the least. The coloring may be cute and easy on the eyes, but it won't really hide those mistakes. In fact, it makes them stand out even more. Which is why you immediately notice the neck first.
Now, this is far from the worst mistake I've seen artists make when starting out, but I figured I'd point it out. I'll leave an example of better stylization here:
>>1119752>>1119863>whats the appeal other than it appeals to other coomers
it sounds like you already have the wrong mindset going into it because you just want the attention but the reality is that coom art still does need a niche, market, appeal, etc. sure you have your noticeable artists who have dogshit anatomy and are still popular but realistically that isn't going to be the cast for the other 80% of people who do it and even for someone who is dogshit to be popular, they had to hit the algorithm or could market and network to hell and back.
the only real difference between coomer art and not-coomer art is just whether it is that or it isn't. Everything else is pretty much the same. you got a real case of "the grass is greener on the other side"
Even if you drew NSFW at like scrotes, that doesn't mean you'd even be popular like them and there are people who do and they are women like Sakimichi [even though I'm tired of her art at this point, it's so sameface, same body type.. It's boring at this point] and that's the only name I can think of right now.
Why don't you try something else if you want to appeal for money, but don't want to actually do the work. USE their work. Look into maybe voice acting scrote animations. That way you are taking advantage of existing people's platform, offering services [VA for NSFW is popular and those girls have over 50K lowest I keep seeing for the popular ones] that they otherwise would just rip from a PornHub video.
stop trying to make art specifically for them. Scrote art is disgusting, a lot of it especially involving lolicon/shotacon because it just does. If you don't want to be involved in drawing stuff like that, trying furry art is the only other thing I can think it because at least anthro isn't as in your face, IMO, as humans.
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The only drama I’m aware of is just some old shit from 2018-19, like people calling her out for “something something racist against black people” and “reblogged proship thread about holocaust victims
fantasizing about sex with nazis”
Outside of that I just remember finding her annoying because of the amount of times she got into arguments. I wouldn’t be surprised if she used blockchains for like right-wing or problematic
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Remember: if scrotes can get commissioned to draw this shit at a below-average skill level, you can succeed too. We're all gonna make it nonas>>1098984
whoever made this pic forgot "have sex"
drawing erotic art is fun, it doesn't have to be degenerate or coomer. sex is normal and nothing to be ashamed of or turn into something weird.
i think more women should draw sexy art and post it to drown out the men who don't know how to
I think she meant moid coomer art specifically
There's a shocking amount of arguably straight women who draw nothing more than porn for moids, if they're actually straight I feel bad for them
Acussing anon of being a fag because she doesn't understand women liking generic coomer huge tits and ass art it's retarded
specially because the twitter art community it's FILLED with pickme's
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Get really, really familiar with the tools of the program you use, if it's photoshop, ctrl+paint has excellent videos with exercises to give you a good grasp. Do a lot of studies, accept failing even if it's multiple times in a row. Watch artists streams so you see exactly how it's done, not just in cropped, simplified tutorials. Ask for advice on art related discords, try your best to pinpoint specific problem or technique you want to learn, not just general "this aesthetic" since there may be a lot of elements combined to create it, and it may dilute your attention making it harder to learn. Simplify what you're trying to learn, don't go straight, for example, to painting entire scene with a character in it but try to apply it on the simple form like picrel first, or study just a tiny part of what you like the artist is doing, so you don't have to worry about too many things
Shit, I accidentally replied to a male. I had a feeling tbh>>1121989>especially because the twitter art community it's FILLED with pickme's
This, I fucking hate this "genre" of Twitter artist I swear to god.
They're like "yeah, I'm straight and super attracted to this particular type of men and I enjoy drawing them a lot, as you can tell on the rare occasion I draw one, but I'll keep putting a lot more effort into generic cartoon girls with unrealistically gigantic tits and asses that distract you from the hot guys, because I can't stop pandering to my male audience and/or I'm addicted to porn for males and have internalized male gaze, so I can't imagine drawing something that caters to my true tastes"
I know it's overly specific but it's so fucking common it hurts, it gets even more ridiculous when women with a fetish for ugly cartoon men do it because at that point they're the same as a male coomer artist
I wonder if they're just afraid of telling the scrotes to fuck off and let them draw what they really want, they're such massive pickmes it's hard to watch when they reply nicely to the gross males in their replies. Can't believe some of them are married too (actually that would make a lot of sense as it would explain why they won't draw anything that their husbands don't like)
I wonder if they even realize they're doing it, because many people use the excuse of "oh she just really likes drawing female bodies, she finds it easier to identify as the girls if they're the entire visual focus, this is obviously what she wants" even though the truth is much more obvious
Take baby steps and then proceed as needed. Try not to immediately rush into a complex lighting technique your favorite artists are doing. You'll just end up disappointed because you haven't progressed to that point. It can take years to fully grasp certain concepts or techniques in art.
A lot of tutorials that you see online for digital art tend to be oversimplified. Not that there aren't any good tutorials out there, but you need to take things one step at a time.
As another anon stated, try focusing on problem solving first and foremost. Figure out what you struggle with the most and find a method to help improve your work. It's always best to start out small and then move onto bigger studies and exercises. That way, you aren't feeling overwhelmed. Think of the smaller studies you do as practice for the digital illustrations you create.
Don't expect to draw the
*Don't expect to draw everything perfectly.
I truly think some women have so much internalized misogyny that they feel sexy and worthy only when they receive male approval. Drawing things that turn her on or other women on isn't as appealing as having other men kiss her ass and praise her.
Male approval is the most fickle type of feedback, so she'll always have to perform for these men. Sad cycle for an artist especially.
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Has anyone ever gotten leak info about Twitter's algorithm?
Is there such a thing as negative points that gut a person's visibility? Does the algorithm have any affect on a hashtag's latest tab? I'm looking for answers.
Tumblr is a good starting point if you're drawing fanart because it's the only somewhat popular social media with a tag system that works, so your stuff will actually be seen by people looking for the subject you're drawing. Instagram and Twitter are okay, but getting noticed is up to luck if there's no popular hashtag or something going around. I'd personally go with Tumblr because it's relaxed and won't cause cropping issues or destroy your images with compression. If you do a lot of original art then the other two might be better options since tumblr users have been sharing artwork less and less and there's not really an explore function like on Instagram for example. >>1123418
Aimlessly copying won't teach you much, you need to try understanding what you're doing wrong. Look at your drawings and figure out which parts you dislike and compare with other artists to see how they do it and try to replicate that. But you also can't tell a lot by yourself because your eyes will be used to your own works, do you have any artist friends that could give you critique? Maybe it only looks amateurish from your point of view?
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Sage for a-logging
As a former NSFW artist I can just say that. People following my account didn't know I was a woman, however there was rumors around it and I began to cash in the money with moid's need to coom on porn drawn by a woman.some of them even expected me to ERP with them or do phone sex alongside my art and would act surprised when I'd just block them after they say that they're good with my work and paid me.
I stopped drawing NSFW openly and now I just sometimes do draw request on yaoi/yumejoshi communities. I used to draw furry macro and other edgy stuff for degenerate moids. Honestly, as much as I want to say that I regret it, I did rake in so much money to pay back some of my medical bills.
Recently I've been trying to work on my own studies on STEM alongside art, i don't want to draw as a job and I'd rather focus on something more stable, so i keep drawing as a hobby. But if anything, women don't enjoy drawing porn just like porn actresses actually don't enjoy it in the studio lol. And to any aspiring nonna artist, NSFW is the easy mode to get quick clout. You can mod it by adding your pronouns in bio. Even if they think you're a tranny, moids will buy. They're just hopeless.
There is no “right” platform given that westerns have no qualms with overcrowding both Pixiv and Danbooru.
That being said, pick Twitter so you can fish for someone to carry you.
Go with tumblr, the tagging system is the best and fandoms are still huge on there.
Twitter is great if you're somewhat established.
Instagram is impossible to grow from the bottom up as a 2d artist in current year, at least from my experience.
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What a down grade in design
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imagine being so "uwu depressed" cause someone reposted your art and forget to give credit
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This. There's no need to repost someone else's original content on Tumblr or Twitter, and it implies that you're trying to take credit for someone else's work (alternatively, you downloaded it but forgot the source)
If it's something like an imageboard, it should be fine to repost even without credit, although giving credit in some way or including the source link is convenient for the people who want to see more by the same artist, for the person who posted it, and for the artist.
AYRT sorry, I guess I shouldn't "hate" that kind of artist, after all it's not their fault that males are degenerates and splurge much more on porn than women. It's just frustrating to see it happen.
Honestly I'm not even sure you fit the description in my other post, it sounds like you drew all those things as requests/commissions, which is understandable, and didn't draw "thicc" cartoon girl OCs regularly on your own, or stuff like that. And I guess those artists I was talking about also might have reasons other than money or legit male coombrain, like finding women easier to draw.
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I'm on my phone right now so I can't really quote everyone. But I'm happy of everyone's thoughts and questions. This one took my attention. I'd make on average 200Euros a month but at most 500. I did that for about 4-5 months to pay for my medical bills when I was a bit on a monetary stretch. However it didn't feel good. It low-key felt like prostitution. I found myself relating to some of cow's issues lol, so then I took a part time job that made me earn as much as my best months and I'll take back uni soon enough to pursue long studies so I can get a good job.
Also i do agree on the nonna that said that porn can be enjoyed drawing for our own pleasure and I do agree that drawing yaoi shit and fempov porn is way more fulfilling than whatever scrotes are into. I wouldn't draw big balloon girl tits however people would comm me to draw degen stuff.
Since then I deleted my nsfw alt (which even if it was a totally different name and not just @myname_nsfw) and asked most boorus people would archive my art on to either orphan my posts (so remove credits) or delete it if they wanted to.
/repost because I forgot to sage
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Do people really…? I do studies of paintings i like with my own characters because I want to apply stylisation to old master's knowledge but I wouldn't dare to post them online to hope to get clout.. That's just lazy..
There's been this trend lately of artists recreating historical pieces for the sake of clout rather than just studying them to better themselves. Everyone has to see every single thing. All it boils down to is seeking attention and calling it a 'master study'. Things like that just can't be for the sake of doing them, it's always with the intention of whether or not some strangers on the internet will give it enough likes.
I've admittedly been on a leyendecker kick but I've seen his work trending. All people wanna do is copy for clout, not because they think it'll genuinely make them a better artist. Everything's a fucking spectacle now. Artists need to relearn how to sit with their own work for one damn second without begging for validation.
You're right, it always annoys me when I see someone make a bunch of Leyendecker "studies" which are just exact copies of his work with different heads that get a bunch of attention, but then the artist making those doesn't incorporate any part of that into their own art. They aren't for studying or learning, these people just see a pretty picture and want to do the same without any thought behind it.>>1126070
There are many artists that manage to get a similar look in their own art after doing these studies, even if digital, so what the fuck are you even talking about? Yes it's annoying that those get popular, they are not popular due to the artist's own skills but the skills of the one they are copying from. But that's fine since the original artist is dead anyway, right?>>1126125
Cranky because you've got a few thousand likes with a fallen angel copy and it hasn't helped you at all?
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Okay, these are just random examples I found by googling. How is this creative or taking inspiration or anything. The sailor moon meme was at least showcasing different art styles
NTA but the point is to mimic the original style and portray the character in that way, a reverse challenge of the Sailor Moon meme. I think it's an interesting way of testing your skills of perception, especially if your own style is distinct from the original painting. Not everything is supposed to be a big school assignment, some challenges are just for fun.
To be perfectly honest I feel like the people getting their panties in a knot over this are just either salty that it's always half naked beautiful men for once or because they can't pull off the photorealistic academic painting style themselves.
Sorry I'm salty about something? In the art salt thread? I don't like it out of principle, doesn't have anything to do with the actual subject depicted.
>You're just jealous
Kek ok then
Artwork/critique, it’s a board on 4chan>>1126175>>1125548
I noticed that nowadays it’s really common for people to just copy whatever is trending, it started with tiktok when people would do the popular dance or use the popular sound track and you end up with hundreds of videos where people are just copying each other. It’s become the number one way to get noticed on social media so it’s not a surprise to see artists copying each other or using popular sound tracks to get attention. Personally the sailor moon and fallen angel trend doesn’t bother me because in some instances it is clever (I really like the Eren Yeager version) and for some people they’re stepping out of their comfort zone but I do understand the frustration especially when you realise that a bunch of artists are copying something not because they care about it (eg: I don’t think a lot of the artists that participated in the sailor moon trend are actually fans) but because it’s just trending and it’s a way to get noticed since normally what happens is that if you liked one rendition of the fallen angel then you’re bound to look for more which means an artist will most likely get noticed. It’s also something that you’re flat out told to do in online marketing workshops
so you're bitching that amateur artists aren't able to recreate a renowned master's artwork with stunning accuracy? lol
i mean you can be salty about whatever you want and live in someone's closet while you try to survive off principles, but the reality is that this is the kind of shit that most people have to do to have a career even if they have genuine talent.
do you think these artists want to do this shit? probably not.
>do you think these artists want to do this shit? probably not.
nta but i'm more inclined that they do. all of these, or at least the great majority, are amateurs that live off clout and likes and trends. if this is the next trendy artist thing to do then you bet your ass they'll want to do it. besides, as other nonas said before, the thing being criticized here isn't the rendering but the fact that these artists just don't add anything new to the table. it's fallen angel with dio or naruto or goku or eren or random current popular angsty anime boy instead of lucifer and that's it, nothing more. not even the light source or the minimal background is modified. they all look like copies of each other in the blandest way possible. it's boring as fuck.
at this point it sounds like you're just misreading other nonas for the sake of conflict lol.
i'm not misreading; i'm just being pragmatic. not all art needs or even can be transformative, important, or meaningful; it's called capitalism and most of us have to make money to live. if you want to make a career as an artist online and don't have connections, that means chasing clout.
how many people here have mentioned how exhausting it is to sell your soul just to get an inch in the rat race? how many people here have talked about the ephemeral nature of art on social media?
i don't participate in art trends like these and i still draw things i like from time to time, but i'm not ignorant to the fact that my followers come from my art of pretty girls and that's what gets me commissions, so as long as i want money that's what i have to keep making.
someone can spend 3 days attempting a masterpiece and get 0 followers or someone can do low-brow art for the masses and gain 100 or more. you can wring your hands at "clout chasers" but saying they all WANT to draw this stupid shit is just dumb.
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(sage for autistic ranting) i love goran gligovic’s art but i wish he kept his performative political sperging and moid shit to a separate account. i just wanna see his work without having to read about him rallying trannies and hornyposting about midcentury italian actresses (some of which were underaged at the time)
Then why the hell are you lurking around anime meme people who recreate these with OCs and shit? You are putting yourself in a spot to be triggered
about how boring these are to you. Look for people who don't. That's your own problem.
NTA but maybe because it's almost impossible to avoid some things once they become trends? It's just like the Sailor Moon Screenshot meme. Even if you wanted to stay away from it, it was in the end nearly impossible to fully avoid it.
And I find it amusing how so many of you think these artists who redraw pieces such as Fallen Angel are just stupid young poor anime fans trying to battle evil capitalism.
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Is her neck super long, or is it just the pose?
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Yeah looks off to me too. More obvious when you turn your head a bit
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What about the reverse? Like insert meme, but keep art?
there are people with freakishly long necks, when you notice it for the first time you'll always look out for it lol
the neck focus here is because of vampires, and she's leaning her head back so that elongates her neck more. her art looks a bit funky at times in general, but comics are read more for story than art.
>>1127012>but the reality is that this is the kind of shit that most people have to do to have a career even if they have genuine talent. do you think these artists want to do this shit? probably not.
you can absolutely have an art career without doing lame social media art trends kek
it's a true sign of an amateur artist if you think social media clout = sustainable art career. few want to work to build up skills or a unique style or brand, they just want instant likes on social media. these young artists are investing their time in the wrong place if they want a real career in the art industry. but most don't, they just want social media attention, nothing wrong with that.
It's still an awful sameface imo. The Sailor Moon meme was also a parody of sorts but people at least tried doing it in their own style and giving it little twists to differ from the original and make theirs unique, but these Fallen Angel repeats are just carbon copies of each other except for character hair and skin color, they might as well just be Photoshop manipulations of the original. They don't even bother to redraw the body in their own style, they try to copy the anatomy and painting style to a T. It's literally the reverse from the Sailor Moon meme, where one tries to be unique in parodying the original the other might as well be the fanart equivalent of fast food. Some find this remarkable, I find it boring as all hell because I know the artist's getting nothing from this. They're not doing this to learn how to render realistically or better themselves, they're doing it for clout and to pretend they have a skill they don't.
TL;DR: The Fallen Angel thing being a parody doesn't excuse it from being bland and lazy as fuck. It's just amateur artists trying to get clout and attention with the least amount of effort.
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maybe it has to do with the old soviet cartoons eastern euros where exposed to.it's not an answer tbh,
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The Snow Queen, a soviet animated musical from 1957
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Old soviet cartoons before the late 80's had a really style/animation to it that i really like! it's a joy to look at.
pic rel is from the little mermaid
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okay but none of these artstyles look like the modern eastern european artstyle that I see everywhere
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no, mostly corny romantic stories and she has this romance with this with dark, tall mad scientist who suffers from a condition that causes him to bleed a lot, Its called blood stain by Linda Sejic
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I know nothing about the topic but I saw this on the front page of /ot and why is the title font a literal copy paste of Blade and Soul lol
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noonies, how do I create a good character design?
I get bored of everything I design so fast, idk why.
And I'm sick of those overwhelming deviantart adopt tier designs
with to much going on.
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Well first off it would depend on what you're designing the character for and having an end goal in mind for said design. For example, a character for a comic or animation that you're going to be drawing over and over every page shouldn't have too much detail. Compared to something that's going to be made into a 3D model or single illustration.
Since you mentioned that you get bored of your designs try making a collection of designs that you do enjoy like the pic you included and study them. Figure out what aspects you like about them and how the artists implemented them
Then when you're ready to design a character I would recommend starting with a silhouette. A good character design can be distinguished by its silhouette alone, no matter how simple it may be. Try taking a concept artist's approach to it by making several silos as quickly as possible and choosing/combining the ones that either interest you or best represent the goal for going for your character.
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i liked this artist until she had to go and say that's she's enby and all her ocs are actually enby. typical twitter bullshit. why is every lesbian creator like this? why do they hate themselves? makes me sad.
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I can concentrate and draw something pretty good only after eating pot cookies, and it's starting to really bug me. Also the fact that it's 10 times more pleasurable too
Please someone tell me i'm not the only one
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Hmm I thought they were inspired by illustration art but it just looks like older western comic book influence seeping in
Yeah, I think I will buy Huion>>1131704>I recommend getting at least a 16 inch tablet
I don't have enough space on my desk for a big tablet unfortunately, but honestly, I don't think I need big one.
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I am an art noob and just bought Loomis' figure drawing book. How do I practice the material? Do I read it first then copy the drawings and then study Loomis' drawings again and correct mine based on what I think was wrong? Can/Should I use tracing paper, would that help with improvement?
stupid because it won't change anything and the strikers will just lose sales because of it, but understandable because etsy is exploiting its sellers in a really gross manner>>1132033
that's why they do it unfortunately. there really is no direct competition for etsy, at least not one that has the kind of reach that etsy can give an artist if they play the seo game well enough. something I see some artists do is make their own storefront with shopify or big cartel simultaneously and then stick a promo code for their non-etsy storefront in every etsy order. that way they can get more attention to their shops without violating policy
on the side, it's extra income much needed though. i'd like to make my online sales my main source of income eventually though.>>1132266
this is what i'm going to have to do, thanks anon. i don't like having to pay for a plan right off the bat but i know i already pay more than that in etsy fees.
just like >>1132746
said, teachers go real soft nowadays bc students just can't handle any type of criticism anymore. it's awful. i'm a design major and the amount of times i've seen fellow classmates start whining like babies when they get a SLIGHTLY harsher critique from a teacher is just sad
Nothing wrong about softening critiques. Art schools / colleges etc used to pride themselves in being unnecessarily cruel to students, like what >>1132943
mentioned; but I'm working in art industry for 7 years now and I have yet to hear a critique that would be even half as harsh as what I got in the college. And it's done nothing but ruined my self esteem at the time. No need to miss the "good old times" here.
Yeah, for sure. I wonder what exactly were the critiques >>1132623
mentioned like. Even the worst piece of art can be feedbacked in the way that shouldn't come off as cruel. If anon's classmates cried because professors said something like "I think you should focus on improving X and Y and next time try doing it in Y way" then definitely something is wrong, but if the professor said something alike "This is worse than anon's work, you'll never make it" (still a vanilla version of what i know from the past) then I would still consider it unnecessarily harsh and unhelpful.
But I agree coddling only is NOT the way to go too. There's a good middle ground though
as much as everyone likes to think the world is overrun with snowflakes because its what goes viral/is talked about most often, a vast majority of people are relatively normal.
of course, you have people who are overly sensitive where anything less than absolute praise brings them to tears but assuming a majority of people in their class are normal, if a critique leaves someone at the verge of tears it is probably not as "gentle" as OP thinks it is.
in both art classses I took critiques were relatively well-rounded with people voicing their opinions on stuff. I've only gotten one harsh critique where a classmate said they felt like my self-portrait was a cop-out because of the style it was in as opposed to being realistic and the professor pushed the conversation away from that since there were no criteria that the portraits had to be realistic and the critique itself offered nothing really helpful.
I haven't been in school in a few years but it can't be that bad already. I used to hate it when we'd do crit on each other in class and it feels like people don't really take your insight to heart because nothing in their next iteration of work changes…
It might be teachers are shit at giving critiques that are actually helpful, constructive, and not coddling. I was always "really good" or I guess hard to critique that I'm paranoid I'm just fragile and won't be able to handle actual negative criticism.
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For some people this kind of thing takes longer than for others, just continue trying! If you're already at the stage of seeing errors it means you are on the good way, picrel applies to that well; means you're in this bottom stage but it's a steady (even if slow) way up from there
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Anon that is very sweet of you!
I’ll elaborate then, the 1000 true fans thing is based on this essay: https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/
the gist of it is that to live off your work you don’t need millions of followers, but only a thousand loyal fans who love your work and will buy whatever you’re creating, and come back every year for more.
A thousand loyal fans is a manageable number too, and with time you could pretty much learn the names of all your fans.
In my experience, choosing a niche that you really enjoy and cultivating loyal fans is more satisfying than trying to follow trends and gather lots of followers who aren’t too involved in what you make (because they can get the same thing from dozen different artists, and never have to pay a dime) I’m still working on this goal myself but I can already support myself, although of course I live in a cheap place and share an apartment. But it’s a start, it’s more than others have, and it’s nice to have a concrete goal!
1000 people is A LOT. I've been following the youtuber Baylee Jay through her shop updates, and only recently has she broken 1000 sales on her recent item drop, and she has over a million subscribers and have been on yt for over 10 years.
not saying this to discourage, but when you start selling you'll notice how few people want to spend money on art, getting 100 people to spend $20 is tough. that's why so many artists go into fandom merch.
i think over a lifetime it's very possible to have 1000 loyal fans though
Yeah well, as I said, you can support yourself on a much lower number. I have probably around 130 loyal fans myself. I could make more money waiting tables, but this is more fun for me. And it’s more than 1/10th of the way there.
Also kek Baylee. I miss her threads, she was fun to follow.
Yeah. If you're selective about where you're going to for art school/classes and what you want to do, you'll find that critiques are relatively mixed in terms of reception.
A lot of people seem to think zoomers freaking out on social media after being given the slightest art critique is the norm, but in real life, most people tend to be rather chill unless they really have something going on.
You have extremely sensitive people who can't take a critique, but in my experience those tend to be few and far between. The critiques I received were relatively well-rounded. Of course, this depends on your professor, development of your artwork and curriculum, but I digress. The only relatively harsh critique I've gotten was when I was lazy with a project and the teach saw right through my bs. lol
>>1136294>I'd rather be hate crimed.
Seems like she's just really upset she didn't get some of that cash. Don't artists regularly photobash? Funny how she uses all the words that will trigger
twittertards to freak out for her. "hate crime" "consent" "eight-TEEN" "nude" etc
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How do you learn color theory? It's so hard for me to actually apply.
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i was back-reading the other thread and the bit about plagiarism got me. very scared to post my stuff online in fear of a larger artist copying my ideas, if not out-right stealing them and claiming them to be "theirs". to make matter worse i like drawing a lot of problematic stuff – i ship the dmc brothers, i ship mentor/student ships from shonen anime (where one half of the ship is like 15 and the other is 30, think goyuu), i like feminizing dudes, etc. just makes me think i'd be a prime target for larger uwu-type artists to steal from and justify it on the basis of me being "scum" or whatever. this is dumb but i can't stop thinking about.
i've actually seen it happen before with an artist called "lirthel". scary stuff kek
people kept swiping her art to use in icons/edits without crediting for a week or so (to like, "own" her). it didn't last long but it still made me sweat
this only happened because she drew slightly nsfw art of the fe3h characters (pre-timeskip)
I remember there was a tweet where she said she tends to favor ships with age gaps or something about age but I can't remember what it said exactly but people got into a fuss about that too.
But for what it's worth, she seems to still be doing fine. She still interacts with other artists and has supporters
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Anime Expo's Twitter got hacked to be (of course) an NFT account.
Will people ever reach a tipping point with Twitter after seeing how bad the security is?
you sound whiny>>1137725
In this day and age, I don't know why artists wouldn't go indie and share online. Once you show proof of concept you could crowdfund.
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called it from the second I saw their mod team was made entirely of furries. i'm glad i never signed up, from the looks of the "most recent" artwork page it seems to be going the way of deviantart anyways.
Nothing? Unless you mean her husband recently saving the sonic movie franchise. Are you trying to create drama nonnie
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Looks like Buzzly just recently added this section to their TOS last week. I haven't been near that site since after it's first week of existence. I thought the site would fail but not like this.
Never mind I found them, lol.
See this is the shit that makes me not want to bother trying to make friends in the online art scene. It feels like every one of these artists on Twitter is some troon/enby who hates themselves and delude themselves into sthinking they are not women (or men, sometimes) and I just don't have th patience to validate these delusional people.
I have to admit that I do feel lonely because I miss having fellow artists to talk with. I'm a little older as I'm in my early 30s but I remember back when I was in high school, it felt so easy to converse and talk with other artists on DeviantART and you never saw this gender obsession bullshit. Granted this was back during the weeaboo days but I'd take these people over these gender idiots any day.
Can anyone else relate? Is it possible to find other artists online who aren't gender-obsessed cultists?
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Thoughts on makeship? I’ve been seeing twitter popular artists with over 40k, 50k, 60k followers getting into it but when I check their campaigns way past deadline, the results are always like this
>>1139772>Can anyone else relate?
I definitely do. Here's my experience:>Befriending DeviantArt/Twitter tier artists
NOT worth it, avoid like the plague. Even if they don't like gendershit, they will be dramatic or plain weird. Avoid.>Befriending liberal arts students/graduates in any art circle
Also not worth it. I'm not talking about the people who draw anime commissions but people who treat art """seriously""" (you know the stereotype). They often loooove parading their totally woke views they saw on Instagram as if they were universal truth. They will be hypocrital. They will try to one up you.>Befriending anyone who draws fandom stuff
This is akin to shooting yourself on the foot and then wondering why you got cancelled for not using the right pronouns for Aiden>Befriending people who are professionals in an art related field (animators, graphic designers, illustrators)
Hit and miss. Best if they don't really have an online presence or use social media much. They will often say they "have heard" about x or y subject and will tend to be more normie.>Befriending the animecore early web weirdcore art people
Most of them are unhinged and schizo tier or have BPD. Abort.>Befriending Crafty Etsy people
Hit or miss, a lot of them have to keep appareances for their costumers. The ones who aren't into the big TikTok Instagram Reels grindset are better.>Street art ish artists and tattoo artists
Depends on how big they are, the bigger the more snobby and elusive. Some of them can be cool but pickme-ish and scrotal.
I could go on
We exist, we're just silenced from even suggesting people with dicks shouldn't be in women's changing rooms, so we keep our heads down.
Avoid people with pronouns in bios, at best those people are weak minded "allies" who deny biology to keep their suicidal troon friends from having a meltdown.
Check their recent likes/replies to see if there's any bs woke stuff they interact with.
Avoid people who repost/tweet a lot of "social justice" content even if it's not trans stuff, they don't think for themselves and parrot any lie they hear.
Make sure the people they interact with aren't genderspecials either.
Most genderspecials are loud and obnoxious about it so at least they're usually easy to spot.
We know times are dark when we long for weebs to come back lol
I can relate. I'm soon 30 and feel kind of lonely with my art. I used to have a lot of online friends back in the old DeviantArt days. It was fun because we worked together on projects and interacted in a way that I just don't see anymore nowadays. I don't want popularity or money, I just want people to have fun with.
Recently someone in a Discord I'm part of told me that it was suspicious that I didn't have a Twitter account because "all artists have one" and the only ones who didn't were usually terfs or other bad people who were afraid of being called out. This was a person I only had decent conversations with until I made the mistake of showing her one of my drawings which prompted her to ask for a link to my Twitter. This new online culture is weird as fuck.
You peaked my interest anon, what art did you show her that made her think you were sus?
If they genuinely think every artist is on twitter they're very young or immature. Plenty of artist don't use twitter, it's not even a platform used for art/pictures like for example instagram is.
If they press you on it you can always say that kind of social media is bad for your mental health, twitter is known for being a cesspool.
Thanks for the tips haha >>1139847
Well see, it's not like I want to have a ton of friends, I'd just like to meet at least 1 or 2 to converse with you know? Back in my DeviantART days, I only associated with 3 people and it was awesome but we eventually drifted apart and one of them trooned out and cut ties with me when I shared a support tweet for JK Rowling.
I just miss bouncing art ideas and nerding out over things we both enjoyed in fandom and not walking on eggshells. I'm a hobbyist at the end of the day so I'm not trying to get into the industry so that's why I'm not worried about getting "cancelled" tbh and all I'm looking for is at least 1-2 people I can build a bond with just like I did back in the early 2000s lol.>>1139905>Avoid people with pronouns in bio
Oh for sure. I caught on to this fairly early when I joined Twitter back in 2019, I noticed that people who felt the need to put pronouns in their bios were the very people who are myopic gender weirdo or supporters.
thanks for the advice though.
>We know times are dark when we long for weebs to come back
FR, I never thought I'd see the day of me admitting something like that but it really wasn't as bad as where we are now kek.
>>1139999>It was fun because we worked together on projects and interacted in a way that I just don't see anymore nowadays
EXACTLY. That's what I miss the most as well. The early days of art social media felt so carefree and people were excited to finally meet other artists who they shared interest(s) with. But things are so oversaturated now and people are engrossing themselves wokenes and gender nonsense and finding everything "pRoBlEmAtIc
" tm. It's just depressing.
>Recently someone in a Discord I'm part of told me that it was suspicious that I didn't have a Twitter account because "all artists have one" and the only ones who didn't were usually terfs or other bad people who were afraid of being called out. This was a person I only had decent conversations with until I made the mistake of showing her one of my drawings which prompted her to ask for a link to my Twitter. This new online culture is weird as fuck.
Geez I'm sorry that happened. >>1140275>I remember just finding random users on da as a teen and talking to other beginner artists and having fun just wit hthe process of creating stuff
Same! I remember I would use the "browse" section and if I came across fan art that I liked, I would go to the artist's profile and engage with them and made a few friends this way. And right, I don't feel the same comfort vibes on Twitter's art scene like I did with DeviantART mainly because atmosphere of cancel-culture that it centers around.
>It does feel lonesome though but I'm wondering if it's worth all that effort trying to make friends as the drama I see on these threads that deal with ex friends are insane.
I think if you can find at least 1 or 2 people you get on with who aren't engrossed in the current toxic
culture we're in at this time, it can be worth it. But I get what you mean, it just sucks because some of us do miss that camaraderie.
>>1139999>I didn't have a Twitter account because "all artists have one"
Most professional artists who work as illustrators or with galleries don't have twitter.
It's only shit artists who do.
Quit that discord server.
I read this post and got curious about what happened to conceptart.org. It seems that other artists looking for sane and helpful art communities and good critique recommend Facebook groups for artists.
Honestly, I really wish I would've gotten into digital art sooner, and joined that community when it still existed. Most things I heard about it were good things. Maybe I wouldn't feel so lost as an artist now.>>1139999>Recently someone in a Discord I'm part of told me that it was suspicious that I didn't have a Twitter account because "all artists have one" and the only ones who didn't were usually terfs or other bad people who were afraid of being called out.
Wrong, like >>1140976
said, all professional artists have their own websites as portfolios.
Imagine being so obsessive that you have to check an artist likes in order to not find anything "problematic
". This world is gay bonkers now
No offense anon, but I can't imagine investigating someone's account this much. You can still follow people who you don't agree with and it's not a big deal as long as they actually make good art and aren't retweeting a bunch of content you don't want to see on your timeline. Also,>Make sure the people they interact with aren't genderspecials either.
I feel like this doesn't mean anything since so many people online are genderspecials.
Facebook strikes me as a place for older people so of course it would be better if you actually want some critique.
There's also a few good discord servers with people from all ages who just want to learn art that are pretty good. Check out Art Prof on YouTube, she has a good art community because she literally is an art professor and her goal is to teach. I know there's more discord groups like that but I can't remember their names at the moment.
Discord is not that bad of a social media tool, it's pretty good if you know where to look and what to avoid. Normie discord exists. I think it's similar to how Facebook was in its prime, only more private. The shitty meme groups are stupid just like in any platform, but when you know where to look, it becomes a helpful place full of resources.
Honestly it's zoomers/late millennials with an narcissist ego and wokeness who ruin online communities. Avoid them.
Everybody is a potential pariah on Twitter, its always "let me look at your profile to see what information I can use against you later in a 12 page google doc if you like or post something I don't agree with." Or "oh, no Twitter that's sus, guess you're a terf
". Like what kind of logic concludes that? None.
Twitter art fags and bottom of the barrel fanartists are always trying to get the jump on someone for clout that doesn't even mean anything after a week. I keep all my personal info off my profile. I hate having to take precautions, it feels like paranoia sometimes but it's better than giving mentally ill/terminally online people any ammo.
>>1141006>You can still follow people who you don't agree with and it's not a big deal as long as they actually make good art and aren't retweeting a bunch of content you don't want to see on your timeline.
I would had agree with this in the past but you have to remember that for these people if you don't agree with woke shit you are literally the devil. Plus, even if they retweet minimal woke shit, the woke shit they do post is gonna wear you out eventually, like a cup that eventually fills with water.
I think after all these years knowing I can simply disagree with people and not tell them, I've also come to a breaking point because these things feel like an annoying person constantly poking you in the arm. And it doesn't stop. They want you to react. When I went to school I would simply ignore their views and befriend people like this anyways because differences in view points enrich our lives don't they? They become interesting conversations in a mature environment. Only thing is no one is ever mature anymore, and there's no "agreeing to disagreeing" in private, it has to become public discourse somehow.
Nowadays I think I value having the same viewpoints in private as I do in public, and don't state my opinion on anything even if I'm asked. I like being congruent, or else I feel hypocrital and insane. I've purged people out of my life who are slowly becoming more extremist on both sides of the coin. It's self preservation. This is why I would also avoid people with pronouns in bio with woke content.
I don't really care what someone may think of me. My point of view is probably different because I don't post my art online anymore, but it simply doesn't matter to me because I'm not regularly speaking to these people. I do understand your (and the anon that I replied to) point since it seems like you two want to actually have a connection with other artists, but I still think that doing all of that for every single account you follow is a little over the top. If someone retweets something that I don't agree with but I like their account otherwise, I just scroll past it. It's really no big deal to me because it's the internet and I just want to look at art.
Anyway, you're allowed to do whatever you want and I'm not saying you have to follow people you don't want to. It's just my opinion on the topic I guess.
>>1140850> I miss doing dumb shit like genderbending or doing gijinkas
god nona, me too. now genderbends are considered ""transphobic"" and you'll get told to kys if your gijinka has the wrong skin color. Back in 2010 the girlies were openly sharing south park yaoi lmao now you'd be burned at the stake for liking problematic
art (of course the wokes never go after scrotes drawing their degeneracy)
Ayrt, I don't think you're wrong either. And it's not that I care about what people think about me either (I am actively saying I cut people out of my life for this purpose, I am an hermit.)
But here's the deal, I am a professional artist, not a hobbyist. It's not that I want to connect to other artists and their shit woke opinions (kek), making friendships is the least of my concerns. I have social media because I need money, and I only have Instagram and my portfolio. I still avoid the gendershits like the plague though, they're simply annoying to me, and it's a matter of having my conciousness clear anyways. I do it for me, to not feel insane.
Funny enough, I'm actually black myself and even I can't stand the constant virtue signaling that a lot of POC
artists can do so I understand what you mean.
Ew that sounds so fucking stupid. Thankfully I'm not really chronically on Twitter, the site is boring tbh and as I mentioned, it has this uncomfortable vibe to it where the people there are just waiting for you to say something problematic
and pounce on you. So I only am on Twitter for short bursts.>>1140850>Discord with 25+ age range
Honestly anon, I feel the same way. I have Discord but I rarely use it but if there was a server that was for artists 25+, I would join it because I feel like people around our age (30s) are not as hung up and obsessed with SJW/Gender bullshit. I mean some are but most of the ones I've seen are in their teens to early 20s.
>Gininkas & Genbderbends
Honestly fuck these people anon, you go and continue drawing these characters, they are so fun to do when in the right mood.>>1141024
I feel like it's because art sites are not as big and prominent as they used to be. It all started with Tumblr where commenting and interacting was kinda a hassle there unlike places like Elfwood and DeviantART. And then Twitter became the next place that many artists sailed ship to where communicating is even more of a hassle.>>1141043
Like I told the other anon, fuck those people. If you like drawing genderbends and gijinkas, just do them and not care if it makes gender idiots upset, that's their problem, not yours.
I mean it was specifically to help avoid toxic
twitter people lol
It's not actually that much work to check, just go on their profile and there's tabs for their replies and likes that you can take a quick peek at. You can spot a genderspecial in 0.5 seconds, they WILL let you know how special they are. If you don't feel like checking and follow someone anyway you'll quickly see it all on your timeline and will know from there.>>1141025
Exactly this. I ignored the woke artists I followed for so long but they really do keep retweeting/liking harmful shit and you can't call them out at all. If you even insinuate they're maybe possibly a little bit wrong they'll have you scalped, start a cancel campaign, and try to contact your work to have you fired. And if you're mutuals and they notice you never like or repost their woke shit, you're still bad and a secret terf
who deserves the same treatment.
It eventually got very mentally taxing to constantly see them like/tweet sexist and homophobic bs belittling women in the name of trans rights, and seeing them deny basic biology, and praising kink shit as woke. I felt on edge at all times, until I started unfollowing those people. Suddenly my twitter is fun again.
There are a few good discord servers if you want to improve your art. I noticed that some people don't like mentioning which servers they're on for justifiable reasons especially if it's a small server.
YMMV but I found these ones to be helpful and useful:
Draw A Box's https://discord.com/invite/FtSS4hhqSu
Ethan Becker's https://discord.com/invite/ethanbecker
(has links to other servers)
New Master's Academy https://discord.com/invite/WSskk6Qm8X
RadioRunner/Alex Huneycutt https://discord.gg/4KKbrbd2C4
(has links to other servers)
The Art Tavern/telthona https://discord.gg/D5zumSGSqF
(this was mentioned by someone here)
Indie Tales/ AdamCYounis https://discord.gg/9WkRG7s
Discord really is all about what servers you join. Ethan's server is hit or miss because of his fanbase I was reluctant to include it but it's huge and has a bunch of resources.
Anon, in another circumstance I would had agreed with you but he literally got outed in an homophobic violent society
Woke people again proving they hate homosexuals, outing him to his family wasn't okay
said. My experience has been that a lot of women in the social art scene tend to be the ones who buy into this gender woke bullcrap. Like she mentioned, you're better off looking for people who are older and don't take things seriously.
Agree with this.
Most normal people aren't going to have the time to vet through every single person they follow. At most, they'll see some eye-catching art they like, some posts from said artist off again and on again, and then move on. You don't have to agree with everything people say. You just need to determine how tolerable they are. I can deal with a cringy post from some artist once in while, just not ALL the time.
If you really REALLY want to vet people, go ahead, but I don't think it's worth the time to put every account under scrutiny. To me, actions speak louder than words. Even if you do the whole "woke" thing, as long as you aren't obnoxious, I'm not going to complain. Usually the most annoying people can be filtered out after the next big, "woke" thing to support cycles through.
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Every now and again I think about the drama with eda_log and I start fucking malding because they were one of my favorite artists and some asshole decided to call them racist because they were mainly inspired by aztec art and culture and mainly drew art reflecting at that. People grasping at straws to call the art a racist caricature.
The fucking kicker was that the artist was so nice and apologetic and actually did love the culture and art and asked everyone not to attack or call countries stupid for attempting to call them out.
Sorry for bringing up old drama, but it's still so sad and frustrating to think about. An artist who was earnest about their love for this culture's art practically driven off the platform by someone who was probably more jealous of them than offended by their art.
I remember this! I never understood why she was called racist.
Jealously is a bitch
I actually think the same. 99% of people that attacked EDA were jealous bitches that can't draw anything close to what eda creates.
Also some native americans did came to defend them but were shunned by the twittards because they were men, and if they were women they were shunned because they weren't queer, if queer because they were "colonized" etc… I hate oppression olympics from a bunch of jealous terminally online harrassers. But the art community (at least on a few big platforms) is just that rn i feel
Still happy that eda came back to twitter tho
Wouldn't voice verification and a photo of something like a hand or whatnot be enough? If someone wants so badly to get in even a selfie could be faked honestly.
I once checked a discord server that was posted in one of art salt threads few months ago and even though it was relatively active, for me main problem was most of the people were in their early twenties, so idk if >>1141413
would appreciate it despite it being a farmer discord.
>>1142255>Also some native americans did came to defend them but were shunned by the twittards because they were men, and if they were women they were shunned because they weren't queer, if queer because they were "colonized" etc…
This is something I don't get. For people who parade around the fact that they're "inclusive" they seem to exclude people and their opinions a lot. Fuck their hypocrisy.>>1142276>Also ironic how good chunk of them are weebs who indulge in Japanese pop culture. It's always these people.
The first callouter was a mentally ill cowish weirdo addicted to twitter drama who had quite the pedigree of terminally online behaviour on twitter.
Says a lot about the type of people who does that kind of shit. It's always them.
the first time it happens your first instinct is to defend yourself, always. i got dogpilled on twitter once, and "fighting back" just made it worse. learned my lesson.
twitter doesn't phase me at all now, getting canceled means nothing if you continue posting after it happens.
I think nonnie
meant the stories.
These AI genrated things can't actually make porn now because they aren't allowed to be trained on the pictures. Same with avoiding them making hate art or real life deepfakes.
It won't be until the tech goes beyond research projects that need to keep their funding before that becomes a reality.
Cool, but that just means the industry will be able to mass produce shit that the ignorant retards will buy.
But commissions will still exist, parasocial relationships with artists will still happen, people will still want to draw the shit they think about.
Again, I don’t get the fetish that people have of technology replacing them, it will never happen because humans are too retarded to keep that going on, the moment the creator dies, and then the two or three people with have an idea of how to keep the code going on properly, the program will stop working or the results won’t be as how they were when the program started working.
I agree. A lot of shit is already generated by AIs. Music for example is generated in the most commercial stupid way possible, but that doesn't stop people from wanting to go to concerts where human error can be percieved in the form of bands playing live. Same with art.
Also, shit from aliexpress factories exist, but people still buy handmade stuff
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I followed this account named aelaart because I enjoyed their art. But come to find they mostly posted large text tweets in Korean and the extremely rare art post. I ignored it for a while until I saw multiple pictures of the artist cutting herself. I went to check out more of her profile, and whenever I translated the tweet it was always her venting about her suicidal tendencies, anorexia, and cutting. I unfollowed because of how much it disturbed me that this account was public and anyone could access it. It reminds me of the whole dollieguts situation with the cutting a bit, but this is much worse because 90% of her tweets are about either self harm or anorexia. The people in her replies are extremely concerned and she just doesn’t respond most of the time. I feel kind of worried for her.
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, how would AI art avoid the copyright police if it tried to climb the social ladder?
It needs Disney to know what western animation looks like and the anime crowd on Twitter gets offended at "style theft" even though symmetry runs rampant there.
I hate this idea so much to be honest. This thread constantly makes it clear to me how different artists' perspectives can be.>>1144770
Yeah. I accept that we're all different but it's borderline depressing to hear the way some people think.
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I think you should seriously question anon what direction you want to take your artwork in. If you're just doing it as a hobby and aren't interested in improving much at all (just wanting to have some fun) you may be better off in a casual art discord server/forum. That way there's a bit less pressure on yourself to constantly feel the need git gud.
If you are a hobbyist that wants to improve marginally, take the information you get from these servers and apply them marginally to your artwork. Take baby steps. If you go all in trying some complex art technique you've barely mastered, of course you're going to feel like shit afterwards when it doesn't work out. You need to build up to that experience. Studying more will only help if you learn to gradually apply what you've learned. That takes time and patience.
Lastly, If you're hellbent on being a professional, keep in mind that even professionals have personal art they enjoy, too. Not everything needs to be a study. Sometimes you have work that's just for fun and it's okay. Art is definitely what you make of it! I argue it's supposed to be fun to some degree like other anons mentioned. It's easy to get burned out when it's not.
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speaking of twitter artists: puppychan makes a new twitter account hoping to hide from the grooming allegations, attempts to asianfish by speaking in broken engrish and putting "kung-fu" in her username, does not attempt to change her artstyle whatsoever and is found out within five minutes. a classic.
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3/3 her response to the immediate callouts
>>1148210>putting "kung-fu" in her username
This bitch can't be serious kekkk
Anyway, how could she be dumb enough to think that people wouldn't recognize her art style? And if she really wanted to get away she wouldn't be announcing that she was gonna pop up on a new account. Dumb as a bag of rocks.
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I mainly follow artists on Twitter, but most seem to not know whether to leave or stay because of Elon. I don't know if any of you are here, but wherever you guys go I'll follow.
I cant believe so many people worship this moron.
Ultimately thought, he will not policy every single thing on tumblr and it's not like people will stop crediting because he says so. Maybe I would consider going back to tumblr since there's nowhere else to go really, but most likely, just as most people probably, will stick to twitter still. I don't think enough people would move to one specific platform for it to be reasonable to abandon twitter altogether.
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Tiri's made comments about style and pose replication before, but getting pissed that someone's using the same medium is a whole new level. Why are you posting art if not to inspire people? That aside, any idea which mutual she could be talking about?
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I don't hate abstract art, sometimes it can be really cool but I've come to really hate abstract art driven by politics or abstract art that acts deeper than it actually is, I don't know if there's a term for that type of art but it's common among moids trying to be artistic. There's almost no skill put into it but people will flock towards it because it's trying to be political and for some reason it's almost popular with leftists or post-modernists types of people. It looks like a child drew it but because a moid slaps some deep commentary on it gets attention.
Picrel is similar to what I'm talking about but it's still leaps and bounds better.
Like everyone else said, just ditch them. You'll draw more if you think it's fun, and you'll improve more by drawing more.
I was told to study ye old realism masters, but I stopped when I realized I have 0 interest in producing that kind of art. I'm now a professional artist who uses my "doodling" skills far more. None of my clients want a photo realistic drawing, they'd just use a camera and take a photo if that's what they wanted.
Every art area is a skill on its own, and you get good at what you practice. Did you ever see those professional good artists try to draw "manga" when it first got popular in the west? It all looked like shit, despite them being good artists. It's ok to hyperfocus on drawing in a single style or thing if that's what you enjoy. I know some landscape painters who do breathtaking artworks but they still can't draw a human at all. Doesn't affect them at all because they get hired purely to do landscapes.
>>1146060>I’m just a hobbyist
Honestly I feel you. I blame the disappearance of spaces for hobbyist online. Everyone that starts to draw wants to monetise their work or wants to become a professional one day.
Honestly I think you should dump all those discord servers since they don’t seem geared towards hobbyists anyway. I’m tempted to say dump social media art as well because they all have that same “i need to start making commissions!!” mentality even if they’re a hobbyist.
You’re drawing for you, it’s supposed to be fun and relaxing.
Drawabox has this thing called the 50/50 rule, look it up i think it provides a great balance between learning and having fun.
I'll forever believe that the only people who complain about "style/pose theft" are people who are aware that their art is actually pretty boring and the style is the only thing that makes it somewhat interesting.
The second someone pops up with a similar style but better composition and subject matter, the complainers know they're fucked.
100% agree w/ u anon. i really wish there was a space for hobbyists nowadays. the "start opening commissions" mentality really fucked with me and my relationship with my art for years.
i think a lot of people who have creative hobbies go through with this kind of mentality. constantly being fed that we need to side hustle our hobbies makes me sick. if it works for you then by all means keep going but personally, at the end of my 9-5 i really just want to draw something for me. any other anons feel this?
Just checked her IG and I'm gonna assume she's talking about Posca markers. And if that the case, she's just searching something to be mad about because it's a super common art medium lmao, literally the first thing i see when going to my local art supplies store.>>1148971
I think It might be gdbee, her story was right after tiri's one for me. She had also done a portrait with posca markers and they're mutuals.
It's a dumb thing to complain about and gdbee's art is much more appealing anyways
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I made a new Instagram for art but now it appears it's recommending it to my old contacts. How do I stop it?
She is a woman (There are pics of her in her kf thread)
Her twitter mutual circle were a lot of MtF coomers, so I think that explains why her art gives the vibes that it was made by a male.
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I've been following this cow (pansybeast) for years now and their shitty autistic art never ceases to amaze.
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i like this person's ceramics honestly>>1151168
she's pretty textbook failure to launch and it's been quite sad to watch
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I don't know any of these artists, but how do you get 80k followers with what seems to be a shitty smudgy mix of jacquelin deleon and loish? Her colors look disgusting in most of her posts and her anatomy is terrible, do normies really not realize?
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Wasn't sure if I should ask it here or the jobs thread, but where do illustrators apply for jobs? On regular job sites? Or do employees contact them based on their portfolios? Or is there like a collective job page for creative positions?
If I had the brainpower right now I would exactly explain everything to you, because I'm knowledgeable in this. But I'm not feeling super good so please bear with me. I think it's a mix of both people contacting you and you contacting them. There are also collective job pages indeed. I know one called artjobs and there's other places here and there. If you really want to skip and just email the art directors and scouters directly there's a website called agencyaccess but you'll have to pay (it's worth it, just copy paste all the emails you need). Some people do contact you via social media but that's likely not gonna happen enough so be sure to have a nice portfolio page that you can send alongside an artist statement. If I think of more tips I can come back and reply more stuff to you (although maybe another nonnie
might be better explaining than me). I wish you luck
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I mean, you could say that for anything
really. Why do crappy celebrities still get attention? Why do trashy reality TV shows still air? It's because regardless of what other people may think there IS an audience for everything (for better or worse). What is appealing to one person may not be appealing to another. Most people can tell if they like something and want to support it. I think it's just a matter of perspective.
Some anons seem to just focus on the "pretty" aspect of the pretty instagram girls and wonder why these artists get views. It's definitely not as much "pretty" as it is, "generally appealing to some niche/audience". The art itself may not be perfect by any means, but it falls into the latter category. The coloring, "wonky" lineart, shading, and overall presentation are consistent. Many people will gravitate towards art regardless if it's the best in the world BECAUSE of that.
Yes, people can tell if art is poorly made, even with little experience. However, as long as there's a clear effort, most won't be super picky. It doesn't mean you shouldn't make an effort, but the general populace is not going to look at all art the same way or enjoy it for the same purpose.
Sure we could believe in a world in which only the most well-rendered, genuinely awe-inspiring art is what gets the most attention, but sometimes it isn't always like that. Especially with something as unpredictable as social media.
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What's a good learning resource for backgrounds and lighting? I want to make the most out of the photos laying around in Pinterest.
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Nonnas… How much should I charge for a character reference sheet?
Picrelated is an example.
I know I would like to bonus charge for added emotions or possible chibi. My coloring is basic anime, but I am good at anatomy at least.
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it's this meme but done in the most unappealing way possible
I hate this, too. I've seen people try to claim that no one is allowed to get inspired
by their art because it makes them """uncomfortable""" as if they didn't put themselves on a public platform to begin with.
If you don't want your art to be put under public scrutiny, you shouldn't post at all to begin with. It's impossible to filter every single person who interacts with your art. Obsessing over that will just make you go crazy, but some people are up to the challenge I guess.
I find it ironic that these types of people will try to gatekeep their own style as being unique because that only leads to these people getting less attention. In my opinion, as an artist you just have to come to terms with the fact that people will be receptive to your art in different ways. Like, who doesn't want people to be inspired by what to create? That's a sign that your art is reaching some sort of audience. These people just squander those opportunities for growth and wonder why others find them insufferable for art policing.
Go for it, anon! As other anons stated you can easily charge more for ref sheets. Especially with anime characters. People are much more willing to shell out more for their waifu being in a turnaround. lol
The market is tough, but test the waters and experiment at bit. Start at $100 USD, keep the extra charges for emotions or chibis as you stated, make some samples to show, and see what bites. You can always adjust as needed later on.
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This is getting extremely concerning now. I literally don’t know what to say other than why would someone make something like this public.
No soy esa nonny
pero hay un chingo de lolcows en español, ese pedo está muy loco porque no existe así como tal un lugar donde se les cancele o critique por decir pendejadas, como aquí
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Ew anon this is fucking wild (spoiler for self harm from aelaart)
Not either of those anons but coincidentally I found out about it yesterday when I read about Lauren Faust's new cartoon for Netflix being cancelled before even being announced (vid related).
I wonder why they (Netflix) can't continue producing their own animation in their own studio. Was it not as profitable as they had hoped?>>1157994
There are lolcows everywhere. Celebrity gossip is common in every country, why wouldn't there be plenty lolcows there too in the current year?
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>>1158018>I think that witch looks adorable.
Me too nona. I saw the leaked concept art and it looked like it had so much potential and the protagonist has such an AMAZINGLY cute design. Not to mention it's a female protagonist written by a woman so that's a BIG plus. I'm fucking seething at the fact that this cartoon was cancelled. This other Lauren Faust project looks extra cute, too, as far as I know she has been trying to make it a TV show for years. It's called Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls.>>1158024
I see, thanks for explaining that. I also had a feeling that live-action does better than animation and that it had to do with the animation department shutting down.
Yeah, I see where you’re coming from. I just think an account like this should clearly be private. It’s obvious that most of it are people who followed for the art, only to find these pics of aela cutting herself. I’m not asking for trigger warnings
or anything, just for something like this to be less public
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How can I find reference photos for poses like this? Sort of erotic and casual if that makes sense, but not full on porn.
i only assume it wasn't to the same extent because she has more lovetowards Bob Ross and since he still has living family who doesn't see that money compared to amazon basics or hobby lobby where it is legitimately their own store brand as opposed to a brand they (allegedly) tricked someone into signing the right over the rights and going against their wishes.
that said if it is true I hope his son is able to win or buy the rights back even if it is a high shot to heaven. I do agree crayola being top tier is a joke but so is Rae's art considering how much she does it with. She made her entire brand off of cheap art supplies looking professional but not actually teaching people how to get that same look.
Jesus I used to like this artist's fanart like two years ago but stopped checking of her work. Her compositions used to be interesting and sometimes she drew the occasional pastel gore, but now it's the same self-harm overly saturated boy again and again with deteriorating anatomy. I don't even want to assume all gore artists are fucked in the head but so far all the ones I've seen are to some extent. It's sad and scary because she seems genuinely unwell and not doing any of this for attention.
Also almost 100% sure she's korean but can speak japanese too.
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Erotic photo collections.
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That one is from Hunt Magazine, you can get an idea for other photobooks like it here just be aware some are more explicit than others. https://deerandbook.com/category/magazine
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Is this art considered scrotal or not? It was drawn by a famous yami kawaii japanese model (kuua oyasumi)
Why would they cancel you for simply remaking your account? I am a paranoid bitch too but I don't think simply remaking would make someone get cancelled. If in the rare case someone says anything simply ignore them.
Also, Instagram has many ways to protect yourself. In my case I only