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Post about your employment status, successes, woes, anxieties, rants, etc.
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>>>/ot/739039 No. 1043282
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Does anyone have any tips for moving abroad for work? I've got limited earning opportunities in my home country and have been looking at options with recruitment agencies overseas.
Language isn't going to be an issue, but I am worried about pitfalls when it comes to renting/navigating a different working culture.
What were some things you wished you knew before moving to and working in a different country?
No. 1043717
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I just quit my job today after 3 months of unappreciated, hard and gross custodial work and dealing with so many different shit managers, students, and teachers. I feel relieved but also frustrated because cleaning jobs are all I can handle yet I get treated like shit and overworked constantly. Now it's back to trying to find yet another job in this god awful town of mostly fast food and retail jobs. I wish I wasn't so autistic and mentally ill and could handle regular jobs. Anyone else struggle with jobs that require a lot of socializing?
No. 1044155
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I'm almost through my first week at my new job and I'm beginning to feel less like an imposter lol. My boss is so impressed at my speed (although I know that I'll need to slow that down or it'll look like I need more work) and she's very generous about when to come in, take breaks/lunch, and leave for the day. I've been asking my friend from another dept for tips (we're both admins) and the job turns out easier than I thought! It feels so good to work in a chill work environment like this. Also the increase of money's nice too
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>>1044171Yeah I remember the housekeepers I used to work with being pretty stressed out over being overloaded with rooms. Could you be a school custodian? You're seen as a cool person by the kids and apparently they get paid pretty well.
>>1044176Yeah I definitely need to slow down or I'll be out of a job lol. I actually had this problem in my last office job like eight years ago, and my boss didn't know what to do with me cause I'd finish everything super quick and bother her for more things to do! I eventually had to sit there for hours everyday pretending to do important stuff..
>>1044294Noooo, do not call. If you call, you're putting them on the spot. I literally had an insane boss who would immediately cross you off the list if you called. At most, I would send an email with a one-paragraph cover letter in the body.
No. 1044746
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>>1044638Wow anon this post makes me madder the more I read it. Do you hate money or something? I've never had a job, even the ones I've genuinely enjoyed, where the reason I got up at 7-8 in the morning was because I cared about it or it brought meaning into my life. I like money and I like to eat.
B-but anon I just don't wannnnaaa woooork I'm a fucking child Just fucking do it, jesus christ.
No. 1045638
>>1044638I was in basically this exact position a year ago. I had a high-paying tech job and I fucked it up because I let my anxiety stop myself from being productive 90% of the day.
I quit before I got fired, since I was sick of feeling shitty and anxious all the time, but I regret it. Finding another job has been very difficult, and the only interviews I'm getting are with companies with horrible work cultures. Of course, I'll have to accept whatever I get since I have no other real experience, and I'll have to stay at the shitty job I get for at least a year and a half before I'd be able to be hired by a better company.
Anyways, letting myself be a lazy piece of shit at my first full-time job because of mental health issues + low self esteem is probably my number one regret in life. It's fucked up my career path and set my retirement back about 5 years.
Buckle in and do the work. If there's mental health issues interfering with your ability to work, work on them and fix them before you get fired.
Also, don't resign yourself to the thought, "I've already fucked it up too bad, there's no recovering from this…" because it's not truly over until you're fired. I let my mindset go to shit immediately upon starting the job, and I'm fucked because of it. But in hindsight, I had no reason to think that I had irreparably damaged my image / ability to perform only a few months into the job.
Please, PLEASE do not continue to make the same mistakes that I did.
No. 1047376
>>1047369>>1044638Holy shit I wish I had a remote job
If you have one hang onto it, every remote job I've applied to has had at least 5k applicants
No. 1047969
>>1043282Suffice it to say that it's hard to do and the viability of different routes depends on the country you want to move to. Some options:
>If you have a high-demand degree, e.g. CS, just apply for roles in your target country. You still likely have a high rate of failure given mechanisms like the H1B lottery>Even if you have a less in-demand degree, try to get a job at a large multinational company and apply for an internal role abroad after busting your ass for a couple years. If you can land a job in a multinational, this is by far the easiest route, even for westerners >If you can afford it and are willing to spend a year or two getting a master's, some countries like Canada offer routes to permanent residency for international students who get a degree in the country. >>1043713>I'm willing to relocate, but I need to be paid enough to be able to do so.If paying for your own relocation is the only way you can get your foot in the door, you'll make back the money you spend many times over. I'd recommend holding your nose and doing it if you can.
No. 1048052
>>1043679>>1044294Can more or less relate, I took way too long to get my bachelor's degree and now I feel to old to go on studying, especially because I'd have to work again while studying so the advanced program would take longer than recommended by my university/college/whatever you all call it again. but with nothing but a bachelors degree it's impossible to find a job, despite several internships.
I'm applying for apprenticeships now that at least go into the same direction as my degree but I still wish I had just done that right after finishing school. mental illness fucked me up too hard and now that I'm healthy my work perspectives are an absolute chaos.
>>1043282it really depends on the country you live in and on your degree. I know a lot of companies where I live that actually prefer employees from other countries - as long as it's north america or western europe, maybe china and japan. if you're from africa, most of asia or eastern europe your chances drop immediately.
If you want to go to a country where you'd have to speak a foreign language, it's inevitable to take language classes before you apply for any jobs there btw (I suppose you know that, but just in case)
No. 1048063
>>1045638Thank you anon, I'm sorry you ended up quitting but I know exactly how you feel. I hope you get a good job soon, I'm rooting for you!
And yeah it does come down to my mental health which I just started treatment for - I've always been kinda lazy but lately it's been out of control and I'm not sure if it's because my mind is rebelling and completely dissociating because I'm suddenly talking and thinking about traumatic childhood after ignoring it for so many years.
This morning I woke up and started work early, didn't look at my phone until I sent a big project that I was late on last week. Then I was on a roll so I ended up doing a 10 hour work day and catching up on a few other things. I feel good for now, but I know this isn't really the solution, I need to learn to be consistent.
>>1047369Yes, you are living my fucking dream! Are you naturally focused or did you have to learn how to stick to that schedule? My problem is I really struggle to change tasks so if I get around to working it's hard to stop. My job is also kind of nebulous and it's never "done" like I could always be doing more proactive stuff and everyone gives me ideas for things to try, so it's hard to know when to stop and decide that's enough for the day, I'm never just on standby waiting for assignments.
>>1044646I was having a such a shitty day when I posted this and this stupid song made me smile
No. 1050288
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>>1050206What kind of boring dystopia place do you work at, anon? Peer reviews?? More like snitch slips
No. 1050557
>>1050509Yeah, it would be but some companies label things weirdly, I guess. My friend's official role was Data Scientist but he told me he was just cleaning up data and giving it to someone else to do the actual analysis.
I think the whole "Data Science" label is kinda dumb. It's just the intersection of statistics and computer science, but it's the big buzzy word in the tech world right now!
No. 1050799
>>1048063>Are you naturally focused or did you have to learn how to stick to that schedule?Kinda both? I'm not ADHD or anything, but you also need to learn the art of scheduling time for tasks.
>My job is also kind of nebulous and it's never "done" like I could always be doing more proactive stuff and everyone gives me ideas for things to try, so it's hard to know when to stop and decide that's enough for the dayThis is most office jobs. The trick is to figure out around how much work a day the rest of your team gets done and aim to meet/exceed (but not by too much) that amount. Your CEO isn't going to drop by your house with a 200% bonus because you were a good girl and went above, beyond, and then some. It's not your family business. Work just hard enough. You will burn yourself out trying to achieve total completion in every work day.
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About to never work again a day in my life. Too bad it’s because I became disabled from my job. Nothing is ever free I guess…
No. 1052444
>>1052415How hard is it to just privatize your social media? These tards only go digging through your past if you somehow
trigger them. If you don't give them access to your social media in the first place then they never get that chance. And no business is going to reject you on grounds that you don't share your social media accounts with them.
No. 1055195
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>>1002285update on this… i turned in a work sample and they loved it, i had a job interview and they loved it, i came in for a trial day and they loved me… and they just rejected me. wtf? it was going so well, we had a lot of fun together, my work was always praised and they liked what i did, and then they even mailed me back like "sorry it's taking so long, one person got sick so we had to postpone some trial days!" - i was sure that they wanted me. and now i received an email that was worded like "other applicants were stronger."
i'm just so sad and upset now. i thought i had finally landed a nice office job and could get out of this shitty living situation i'm in right now.
No. 1055207
>>1055195I'm so sorry, that sucks so bad. Getting a job is a shitshow, and getting rejected feels awful, especially when it seems like it was for literally no reason.
I hope things go better for you in the future! Keep tabs on any new openings with that company, and let the recruiter know that you'd be interested in similar roles. Good luck!
No. 1055214
>>1055207thank you
nonny… i already vented to a friend about this and she suggested it might be because i asked for too much money, but i'm not about to let myself get ripped off for minimum wage, when i have a degree in the field.
>>1055211thank you!! it just sucks rn because i got a degree in something very pointless (not creative writing or anything, but with similarly bleak job prospects) and now i feel really discouraged because, wow, if THAT company doesn't want me with my skills which were perfect for the position, how am i supposed to get in anywhere else??
No. 1055216
>>1055214It’s crazy unfair and it’s hard not to take it kinda personally when you’re ideal for the role!
It’s brutal in the job market tho. Chin up
nonnie, cause you’re gonna find a break in time.
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>>1055216i really hope i will,
nonny… i just talked to my mom about it and she suggested that maybe i was rejected because i was too good a fit and that means i might get bored of the work and look for a better job soon… thinking of it that way definitely makes me feel better, but in the end i'll never know what was wrong. i'm gonna wallow in pity for a while and then write more applications.
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Feel this today.
No. 1059499
>>1058359Don't worry anon, I don't see how this is anyway but good! They'll see the exponential growth and improvement.
>>1058562You don't have to work a shitty min wage customer service job, you can totally work an average and even high waged customer service job. Just keep applying, you can do it
No. 1061527
>>1055195That's always rough. For entry-level positions, it sometimes comes down to a couple of people who are equally qualified, so the decision could have come down to something totally arbitrary. If one company liked you then it means that others will, though. As a rule of thumb though, even if you kill the interview, don't assume you have the job until you've received an official offer (and, if you're hiding some demons, have gone through the shitty outsourced background check lol) so you don't set yourself up for disappointment.
>>1058359If your most recent experience is overwhelmingly positive and you can explain that you had a terminally ill family member, there's a decent chance that you'll be fine.
>>1060022If you're confident that you have good enough intuition to detect red flags yourself, move through the process and be cognizant of how you feel after speaking to people within the company. As
>>1061400 mentioned, the role you're interviewing for could be insulated from the bullshit, it could be personal grievances or workplace drama from a specific department, or they could be working to change the culture depending on how old the reviews are.
No. 1061532
>>1061312Congrats
nonnie! You must be really good at what you do for your manager to honor the 'for hire' half of shitty contract work.
No. 1062317
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A recruitment specialist reached out to me on LinkedIn. I assumed he was headhunting me so I made it obvious that I was open to work and looking for options, and he completely brushed it off and started asking me what I like to do outside of work. This isn’t a fucking dating site. Leave me alone.
No. 1063021
>>1043200I left my job because my boss was a psychopath who screamed at people, enjoyed when employees feared him.
Salary was ok, job was easy but I was mentally tormented every day. When pandemic started we worked from home, but I still had to go to office because I lived nearby, working hours that time were erased and he could call or text whenever he wanted, no matter how late it was.
It was the frist year of pandemic, but after that I still didn't land any good job, the ones I got where sketchy af. I almost got a dream job in a big company, even reached final interview, they told me how they were rooting for me. Last part after all the tests and talk was a presentation about myself in power point. After sending it there was no contact from them.
Now I have been unemployed for 2 years and feel like maybe I should have stayed in that company, probably most companies have psychopathic bosses like that.
No. 1064974
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I wanted to make an update to my post here
>>1041742I got hired. My first week was last week, I was very scared and stressed out in the first 2 days but now I am more comfortable and am getting trained slowly. My co workers are nice and this place is a lot cooler than any other workplace I've had. I'm handling it decently and am excited to make more money than ever before and to have good insurance.
I think a lot of the job advert was an exaggerated list of possible responsibilities that an HR lady out together without knowing the full scope of the job. I thought of myself as being completely incapable of performing this role at all, but it's not bad at all. In short, I freaked out but I'm doing better than expected.
No. 1064992
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>>1064910>>1064949>>1064955>>1064971I got the job!! My entire family is making fun of me but I gotta live my truth. Hopefully I can not fuck up washing dishes, the pay is great and I get some of the tips from the front.
No. 1065003
>>1064989It's an office administrator role. So far Ive answered emails, sorted time sheets in excel, and trained in Salesforce and some company software. Next week I'll be making orders for company supplies. The rest was office shit like laminating papers lol.
Good luck to you too. I was a neet for 2 years after HS but a bit of community college and working a low paying data entry clerk role for a while got me to where this current company actually trusted me to not be a complete fuck up lol.
No. 1068806
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I'm almost at the end of my rope with my retail job, I've been late, I've skipped entire days but I won't be fired because they need people. I just want to quit and find something else but I hate hate hate the process of applying for jobs again and I'm afraid with the pandemic/war stuff going on jobs will suddenly become scarce again. I want to get a job with something in my field I went to school for but for that I need to create a whole portfolio and I feel like I never have ample time to do it when I work all the time and then I am too exhausted to do anything productive after.
I am considering putting in my 2 weeks but I'll try to hang in there through March. But if I still feel this way I'm going to lose it.
I do feel guilty about leaving people hanging at that job but I can't feel like I'm wasting my early 20's working in retail.
No. 1068820
>>1068806> will suddenly become scarce againHow? I didn’t know that
> but I hate hate hate the process of applying for jobsIs it because of the interviews?
No. 1068837
>>1068820I guess not scarce but I feel like if things start going bad again there will be mass layoffs like at the beginning of the pandemic and jobs that are not considered 'essential' will not be hiring (like creative work which is what I want to do)
And I hate making resumes, the interviewing process, the ghosting if they don't want you, and if you do get a new job you have to train all over again and get used to a new work environment. I can complain all I want about my current job but I am used to it now so maybe it's better to stick with the devil I know
No. 1068856
>>1068557Im my city, you only need a high school diploma and customer service experience.
>>1068806I've been working retail for the past 15 years and I never wanna go back. Just thinking about how I might have to go back makes me depressed and anxious.
No. 1071757
Okay, so I got a weekend job with a merchandiser setting up product in the supermarket, hours run from 4AM to 8Am, two four hour shifts.
I've been finishing the work in two hours, at worst, one and a half hours at best, and that's with a coffee break. By the time it hits six AM I've already stacked and faced everything, and I'm left wandering around the supermarket aimlessly or just sitting in the smoko room browsing my phone. The supermarket gossips about me sitting down and doing nothing, with them saying "lol just go home. And I told my boss "Hey, there's actually only 1-2 hours of work here at most", but he said the contract is locked in at 4 hours so I have to be there working the entire time. But the other merchandisers, like the ones stacking the chips, are coming in at odd times and are leaving early, and I'm the only one that actually remains for the full four hours. So I've incrementally started leaving early every day a little more and more, and the only time they said anything was when I clocked out early the first time. Now I'm leaving 45min early and clocking out at 8, nothing is being said and they're saying "all is well, good job".
Do you think they have been implicitly implying the whole time that I can just leave early and clock out at 8? It seems that no matter what else I do, they've been moaning at me, so it just seems like they're prodding me in this direction.
No. 1072688
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Is being a freelance virtual assistant worth it? Is it also easy? I'm still in college and I'm moving to a new place by myself and I'm wondering if that's a good kind of job to get into. I'd try places like Upwork but I heard it's practically a sweatshop there
No. 1076984
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One of my elderly coworkers literally fucking died at work Saturday. Heart attack. The store had an emergency heart start device in it but it was defective or some shit and failed to work so he just died waiting for slow ambulance. No one ever checked to make sure the device worked. Probably gonna be a lawsuit now. I hope the managers get hell for this.
No. 1076994
>>1076984There was an old guy who worked himself to death at my old job as well, after his wife died and his kids left, he just buried himself at work
he was nice enough but a bit cranky and actually seemed to prefer to be alone more then anything
I mean hell there has to be more to life then just working yourself to death
No. 1077051
>>1076984That's incredibly sad. How negligent of the store. No one deserves that. Poor old man.
>>1076994You'd be surprised how the older generation needs a purpose. My grandfather is depressed and a shell of his former self. He literally does not drive anymore (loved cars), afraid of everything, and barely eats. He is so thin, it fucking scares me. He used to be a cop and then worked at the pension office when he first retired. He honestly thinks the government wants to get him despite the actual lawyers checking things over before approving at the pension office. He quit a little over a decade ago. His world fell apart when my grandma made him quit. It's sad.
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>>1077040>>1076994>>1077051And most of my other coworkers were so nonchalant about it too. Mindfucked me for the rest of the day I had to finish my shift thinking about how it would just be the same if I keeled over too. Like they're so beaten down by wagie life that they can't summon any compassion. At least get a new heart start device that works. But no. They just threw the old one away
No. 1077087
>>1076984What the fuck? Isn't it mandatory to check this type of equipment on a regular basis? It's awful, poor guy. It reminds me of when I was working retail part-time years ago in a big clothing store with awful clients
it's an Irish brand that starts with a P and a coworker had awful seizures and was screaming so loud right next to me for 30min straight I couldn't focus despite being told by my supervisors I had to still take care of the clients as a cashier. They called the mall's firefighters asap but the firefigthers took their sweet time for some reason. It was super disturbing and every customer was asking me wtf was going on and why my coworker was still not taken in by the emergency services I bet I must have looked like an asshole that day. Thankfully the girl was doing great a few days later.
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i found a job, nonnies!
No. 1080445
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I get so burned out every 3-6 months from working and end up quitting due to depression and anxiety. I finally found a job that'll pay me higher than any other job I've had, but I'm already anticipating being burned out and overworked. I really have to keep this job though. I'm not gonna find anything that pays better in this shit town and need to save money to move.
How do I cope with working? How do I find time to have a life outside work when I feel so burned out all the time?
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>>1079161>>1080066Nonnies please share!! I'm so proud of yous!!
No. 1080838
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Had my first interview in the career I want today. I think it went well, will find out tomorrow if I go on to the second interview. It's so hard because entry level positions still require experience. I have my undergrad but I didn't work while I was obtaining it. Not even an internship. I regret it so much, and after college I spent time waffling about at a weed store and it looks terrible on my resume. Also, if you google my name some stuff that employers probably want to avoid comes up (nothing bad, just not ideal). I just hope I get this job.
No. 1081112
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I took over a full time assistant manager role mid last year on the basis it would be a temporary maternity leave contract and I would revert back to my old position in late January. Since then the colleague I was covering for left the business and I've stayed in the position for the interim whilst they source someone else to take over the role. Everyone we've interviewed is either not a good fit or finds other employment pretty quickly. In the time I've been doing this everything has just gone south dramatically. Christmas was an absolute shitshow because:
a) retail environment, b) covid lol, c) terrible newly hired upper management not knowing wtf they're doing and making employees feel like shit for no fault of their own on the regular and d) general product quality taking an absolute nosedive and customers are just not interested in any of it.
The combination of all these things, working long hours, often working extra with no pay just to keep things going smoothly and many of my team members leaving to look for other opportunities has just really made me hate my job and the company I work for.
I would love to just gtfo and find something else but I can't bring myself to do it because as corny as it sounds, the small team I work with are really fantastic people whom I do actually consider my friends and I don't want to abandon them without someone to replace me.
Anyway, rant over, I just needed to get that out real quick.
No. 1081200
>>1081112Find a way to spin it on your resume (shouldn’t be hard), collect goodwill and positive references from the people who give this wagie your daily bread, and find something better. Having good coworkers isn’t worth being the workplace monkey. Don’t get stuck being the long-suffering good sport who gets shafted just because they know they don’t need to hire someone else (and pay them appropriately) while you’re still around.
Sounds like a lot of people are jumping ship. If you give suitable notice, they will find a replacement in no time. They’re dragging their feet because no new hire will work unpaid overtime and give all of this energy for such little fulfillment or reward. Your labour and willingness to sacrifice sleep and pay is what’s dragging out the hiring process. Obviously don’t leave if you can’t find something better or if the benefits are good, but that type of situation is shitty. Do they have unions for retail workers where you live? Union stores suck ass too, but at least they meticulously watch their step with things like overtime, holiday pay, suitable labour law adherent scheduling between late shifts and early mornings, paid breaks, etc.
Your ex-coworkers didn’t leave for no reason. Only take on extra work if it’s something that will look good in an interview at your next job. The fact that candidates are passing on your position to work elsewhere and have no problem getting hired should tell you something, too. Hope you find something better, you’re not indebted to shitty management.
No. 1082289
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Does anyone have ADHD here? How do you get your tasks done at your work?
I'm newish at this workplace and I'm in constant fear of being fired because people complain about me making mistakes. There's a lot of times when even after checking my work for mistakes, a lot remain that is later found by the people I work with. I'm also horrible at estimating how much time tasks will take me (usually MUCH more than what I expected) and this also caused me trouble. At my previous workplaces noone noticed anything because management generally shat on everything and didn't care if I left out something but here I work in teams and my mistakes are more noticeable. There is also the issue of being told soemthing 53647475 times and still forgetting it. Also I get this sense of everything thinking I'm profoundly retarded. I just feel ashamed. If I get fired, I don't think anyone would want to employ me and my last job also only lasted for months which obviously looks bad on my CV. Also I can't escape the feeling that everyone thinks I'm profoundly retarded
No. 1082697
>>1082289Sorry you're dealing with this, nona. You might see if people can accommodate you by sending info in writing instead of verbally. Or check if your office has any task managing/scheduling software you could take advantage of. Is there anyone you can run your work by before finalizing it? The time-blindness thing is tough you're probably just gonna have to start timing your regular tasks to get an idea of how long things take. If you can, listening to music or podcasts might help remind your brain that time is passing.
I had a super similar experience working an office job and eventually just had to switch to something more hands-on and physical. My shit brain still fucks me over but I only occasionally feel retarded instead of it being a constant thing.
No. 1086220
>>1082289My advice is similar to the others, as I've been in similar situations.
My jobs have used project manager apps but I would also write everything down and all my tasks Id need to do, adding more throughout the day, if things come up. Including notes on the status of tasks since I would otherwise forget what was going on with things, unless it was what I was currently working on.
If you're making the same mistakes over and over again, definitely write a note to yourself to check for those specifically, or if it's a lot, write a checklist for yourself. Because if there's something reoccurring they'll definitely fixate on the repeated mistakes and have a worse impression of you, which can snowball into micromanaging you even more.
No. 1086226
>>1082289Samefag, but I almost forgot, this may or may not work depending on the work place environment, but if I even thought I might be late with a deadline Id warn whoever Id need to report to well in advance, like a full day and it usually also helped alleviate coworkers' frustration with me. Though, that might just be useful if the time thing is because they have quota expectations or you're missing deadlines. Also good luck
nonnie and hope things turn around for you.
No. 1086395
>>1082697>>1086220Thank you for the tips.
>they'll definitely fixate on the repeated mistakes and have a worse impression of you, which can snowball into micromanaging you even moreYep, this is happening right now, I got myself a supervisor who watches everything that I do
No. 1088062
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I work a nice overnight housekeeping job thats so easy and has great benefits. It's so great for my mental health. The only downside is i'm paid garbage(and i get comments on how i could be doing something better). I can survive but that's about it. Im stuck wondering if i should look for something else just for the money but fuck my mental health and work/life balance in return.
No. 1088099
>>1088062It really depends. I worked a well paying retail job but it destroyed me mentally. It was physically taxing too but that didn't bother me so much, it was the mental strain of constantly being belittled by managers and other upper management that made me leave. I took a lower paying office job and the pay was awful but I could finally breathe. I decided from then on that my health took precedent. Earning the big bucks is nice and I'd love to earn a lot more money, but I realize that I'm just the type of person that is not willing to sacrifice my sanity and time for more money. Different strokes for different folks. Money can make it easier to set your life up for happiness, but if you can survive and it's an easy job that you like that doesn't wear down on you, I don't see the point in giving it up. Especially if you have good benefits too!
I am currently still earning a shitty wage, but it doesn't bother me so much. I'm comfortable and happy because I work in a good environment, my job is also relatively easy, and I have plenty of time outside of work to spend with my friends and family.
No. 1089906
>>1088370Good luck
nonnie!
No. 1093034
>>1093019No problem, I am in advertising, right now I mostly do paid media management (fancy way to say FB ads) but it's pretty soul crushing, especially when you have clients who don't understand what you do but want you to click a magic button so their shitty ads cost less. If I could go back, I would have chosen a totally different path in life, taken school seriously, gotten STEM skills and stayed away from desk jobs.
But it's all a learning experience I guess.
No. 1093083
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Strange question. My job is hiring and we just crossed somebody off the list. This candidate just emailed us asking for feedback. There was nothing wrong with her or anything, just that during the interview we felt that she was a little judgey due to her extensive experience– like asking why something isn't done this way instead of just finding solutions to change it.
How would you word that she just wasn't a cultural fit? I'm about to just cop out and respond with something like, "we decided to go forward with those who fit our needs at this time"
No. 1093116
>>1093083She's asking for feedback so she can improve herself and get a job. Just tell her she wasn't a cultural for because she criticized processes without offering solutions. It's not hard so your inability to communicate this makes you sound like you're kind of incompetent, so she probably dodged a bullet. I also agree with
>>1093114 an interview is not the time to offer solutions, if she gave up her secret sauce in the interview there's a chance you'd steal her ideas and not hire her.
No. 1094920
>>1094899Try a trade school. Less intimidating than a 4 year college and if you’re older you won’t look out of place. And if you’re a burger, tuition is much cheaper than a college.
You can go into the beauty field, medical field, dental field, tech, aviation. Look at what trade schools are in your area and what they offer. Get info.
No. 1094922
>>1094920not this
do whatever makes you happy
No. 1094925
>>1094920>>1094922>just do whatever is in demand and makes money>don't do a job you're not suited forI don't know why I keep asking for career advice. People give me conflicting info and it makes me legit suicidal. Looked at some trade schools and don't see much interesting.
fml
No. 1094931
>>1094922>>1094925Kek I mean you’re welcome to pick a job not in demand. You seem unhappy now, and apparently suicidal. If you’re content living that way then enjoy I guess.
I agree with that nona and do what makes you happy.
No. 1095009
>>1094946Not sure how old you are but if you’re younger than 25 I wouldn’t stress much about it now. I went to trade school and learned a trade I never thought I would be into. But I ended up loving it and I make 100k/yr. The place I work is amazing and I love working there. I only work 4 days a week. Of course I didn’t start that way out of school but I did have a decent paying job before I even graduated. I’ve been in the field for 12 years.
I also know people that work at factories and call centers that are happy with their jobs. You don’t need a typical career to be happy either.
No. 1096297
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Well, here we are again.
>hate job
>quit job
>live off savings to take time to find myself and figure out a career that makes me happy
>wild goose chase that results in more emotional burnout trying to find the right answer
>run out of savings
>decide my industry doesn't actually make me miserable I just need to be healthier and have a better attitude
>get job
>hate job
>???
Fuck I'm exhausted, it's been ten years of this and I've never had a single job longer than 18 months. I am a huge asset for the first few months and then I get bored, start having personal issues with people, and my ADHD worsens so that I can barely sit still for meetings. I'm a terrible employee and working for myself is even worse. My whole career revolves around being terminally online and if one more person asks me about TikTok ads I'm gonna rope.
If anyone knows a good career that pays well (I support my parents), is offline/not screen based, not sedentary, and doesn't need 4 years of schooling let me know. I'll try anything at this point.
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I'm actually killin' it at work but now I've gotten to the point where
I have to deal with jealous coworkers. help.
No. 1098380
I’m going to sound like many other nonnas who have posted about similar things that I’m going through, but there are some differences in my situation that I would like some advice on.
Went to college right after high school to please the parents who have never gone to college themselves. Picked a major that I was content with, but I was going through so many other things mentally that it made it very hard to concentrate. Still I graduated with a 3.0. I graduated as soon as the pandemic hit, and it was impossible to find a job in the field for that whole year. I honestly enjoyed that time off, because I was so burnt out at that point. However, I lost my passion for that previous major, and since it has now been 2 years since graduation without a job in the field, I don’t think I stand a chance re-entering.
My parents are pressuring me to go back to university which is the LAST thing I want to do, and even though I did consider going back for a psychology degree, I’m pretty much convinced college is a scam at this point. The options I’ve been considering are:
>cosmetology, except I hate having to hold conversations with people who I have nothing in common with
>trade school, but not sure for what
>being in endless dead end jobs
I am also supposed to be receiving a good amount of money for taking care of my mom once her injury lawsuit gets settled, which will hold me over for a while but not forever. I’m considering maybe even investing it and making a living that way but I have no idea where I would even start.
I REALLY don’t want to go back to school. The thought of having to kiss ass, network, etc for four more years sounds incredibly exhausting. But when I look at my friends who have never went to college, they are all working kitchen/serving/weed dispensary jobs that they are miserable in. Please please give me any advice you guys have, because I can’t even talk to my parents about this since they think you can only be successful if you go to college.
No. 1098511
I got taken advantage of at work and at this point I don't really know what to do. It's a vent but bear with me.
My manager left back in November because her and my regulatory director clashed. At the time, the director pretended to champion me because of her personal vendetta. My manager was a major bitch who never showed to the office nor gave me adequate training when I was onboarded but reported to the company I wasn't "retaining information" while watching me struggle to do her legwork and ironically train other newhires. Everyone knew she was a lazy bitch, but she knew a lot. The new director reorganized our department in such a way that the manager wasn't going to be promoted ever again and she'd have to start reporting to work. She resigned. Shortly after my manager left, my director made a lot of verbal promises about promoting me and getting me groomed up for the role of my choice. There's a lot of weird behavior on her part about this, but let's just say despite presenting this to me as a "choice" she actually had a very rigid definition of what she wanted me to do–and let me tell you–it turned out to have nothing to do with actually promoting me.
In light of new evidence I believe my director just needed me to think I was being considered for promotion so I would agree to–under the guise of 'experience'–absorbing extra duties and projects for no increase in pay. We're not getting the new manager until May. She said to train up the admin support under my role for my position which I did somewhat. I noticed after the new year, around the time she promised to give me an update about development, she started to avoid me. I knew. I had nothing in writing. She hired externally for one of the positions I had applied for leaving only one left.
She started to blow me off when I'd ask her to approve documents or to have a discussion. She didn't even go over my performance review but insisted she was giving me the highest score of the department. It's never been made transparent to me what this means, and honestly if it just adds less than a dollar to the hourly I don't give a fuck. The raise was at or less than 3%.
Then, after two months of ignoring me, she drops the bomb: That she's considering externally for the remaining promotion but oh if it didn't work out with them then I would totally be considered. This is also around the time that I was beginning to have money issues and told her I was searching for a second part time job. I asked if I could work from home two days a week since gas was getting expensive and commute traffic was adding to my anxiety. Turns out I make more money than my fiancé and we're struggling. Most of my duties have and can be done remote (would have been different if she promoted me but oh well). We already can remote as 'one-offs' but I was asking for something consistent which required the form. She told me she would approve if I would submit the request form.
Later after I submitted it she insisted I write a "reason" in the description. I realized she wanted me to cite "financial" so she could reject it, but I wrote "medical/financial hardship" so they couldn't just dismiss it.
What they don't know is I have a history of an anxiety disorder from working shitty jobs and I stand a fair chance of my doctor being able to provide a letter of accomodation via disability on that basis since once again, I find myself at another shitty greedy company.
I'm not lying, I'm suffering legitimate anxiety from all these projects I'm doing for no pay and having to work 14 hour days with a second job just not to be bankrupt.
It made her heaping pissed. Before HR called any meetings I could hear her venting to the other department manager about me calling me "brazen." HR wanted a discussion about my form because how dare I want to work remote for two days of the week like others got to do and more since the pandemic. When I asked if the remote policy had been updated to require everyone back in the office, HR told me no but that some are allowed to be remote due to their job duties. I can't because I'm quality–even though my duties don't require me to always physically be there. How dare I want flexibility after being flexible for this company?! HR lady said I should consider selling my house and going back to renting if I was having financial hardship (LOL). Then the next day I had a meeting with HR lady and director in the room. They both tag-teamed and eviscerated me while I cried in that office after making myself vulnerable. Director said "I don't see how not driving for two days of the week would help you with money," when I explained how that's nearly 100 miles in gas I'd be saving she brushed it off like it still couldn't make all that difference. When I told them about my money problems she said "Why can't your fiancé help you? I saw you buy new furniture…" because I guess I'm not allowed to have bought nice things for myself since last summer before all this happened, and how dare I ask my company to pay me for what I do when there's a man I could go co-depend on. I told them how I've been eating one meal a day because I can't really afford groceries, they said "Oh but that can impact your work performance" so I'm sure they'll try to find something wrong with me now out of retaliation. I told them how I started mt second part time job after work to preserve my free weekends–20 additional hours a week in a related field–my director suggested I'd be less "burned out" if I were to do something like work at a mall for 8 hours a day on the weekend. Just…how would never getting a day off help with burnout omfg they can't quit their bullshit!
The director straight up denied promosing me the promotion. She said that would be the new manager's job in May since she never promised me a development plan. I needed to be more "proactive" with developing my own plan…because expressing my interest in other positions and trying to train for them while taking on out of scope projects wasn't enough. She also denied having said she'd approve my remote work request because she had actually meant as a temporary one-off, which doesn't make sense that she had me fill out a form then. Basically I had misunderstood everything she's ever told me. When I tried to explain my situation and talk about how I felt things were unfair my director yelled "IF ONLY YOU COULD SEE YOURSELF RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE BEING OFFENSIVE, DEFENSIVE, AND ATTACKING." She's projecting because she gets very personal. Several months ago an engineer quit on spot after being personally called out by her in a meeting.
But tbh I didn't get to talk about my issues much because I had to listen to both director and HR's sob stories about how they had it bad too–HR lady even said she was homeless and declared bankruptcy at 22…same lady who said I should sell my house and go pay rent for higher.
Anywho, I sent a follow up email to both of them after the meeting to put in writing what I understood from it and if I was wrong to please correct me. I kept it objective and apologized to my director, even though I didn't do a god damn thing wrong.
I get a good vibe from my second job and the operations manager seems chill. Either way I think it's a good move to gave a backup.
What kills me about the entire fiasco is that director didn't have to lie to me to have gotten me to do the extra work. I would have done it anyway because I'm proud to achieve and wanted the experience, but oh well. I learned to get everything in writing, but I have no idea how to handle this psycho director now.
No. 1098562
>>1098544There are definitely some in my area but they're not as tempting because they tend to be contract which translates to less job security and no benefits like health insurance or PTO. For the same pay hourly it isn't quite worth it.
A lot of people swing as independent contributors but they can tolerate no benefits because they get paid more than $40/hr, I lack the experience for that kind of pay unfortunately.
I feel that all I can do is be an information sponge and get as much as I can out of being here even with the target on my back now. Not to say I'll blindfully accept new projects as they clearly don't respect me for it, but finish off the ones I currently have and keep up with my normal duties.
No. 1098617
>>1098380imo you should at least try to get a job in your field for a year or two before you write it off altogether, though as
>>1098380 mentioned you could always go to grad school for a year and use that time to gain enough experience to cover the gap in your resume. Though the fact that you were taking care of a sick family member gives you the perfect explanation for the gap (even if it wasn't for the entire time it's not like employers can investigate the claim if you tell them you did), and the pandemic's been messy for a lot of people so I imagine employers aren't very suspicious about pandemic-long gaps at the moment.
No. 1098857
Hi anons, I'm currently enrolled in a community college and my family is pushing me to do something I know I won't excel in. My uncle is a senior software engineer at one of the top five tech companies (won't go into specifics), and he's advocating for me to go into tech. The thing is, I'm a terrible fit for tech. For starters, I'm absolutely fucking horrible at math. I failed three high school math classes. I also have ADHD and I don't do well in academic settings, especially online ones. Even though my college is two miles away, I have to complete my coursework online for now because I don't have a car of my own. I hate Burgerland's shitty infrastructure. I can't also imagine myself working in an office all day. I'm an extrovert and I perform much better around others. I changed my program of study (without telling anyone) to mortuary science. It's just a better fit for me.
>embalming is this weird mix of science and art, both of which are my best skills
>I love natural sciences, I ended up getting top scores for biology
>good at sculpting and makeup, so restorative art would be a cinch
>I'm morbid as hell, and I'm used to seeing death and I'm not scared of it
>I get to serve so many different people and I'm always on my feet
>two year degree
I even wrote a whole 2600k word essay explaining why this would be much better for me and my uncle is still pushing tech. I don't want to do it at all. I still have yet to tell my paranoid asian mom that I want to pursue this as well, and she's also pushing either tech or political science. Fuuuuuck no. Should I just keep on studying mortuary science and tell my family to suck it if they don't like it?
No. 1098866
>>1098857I think this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If you do what they want you to do, you fail and get shit for it. If you don't do what they want, you get shit for it. Tech offers good financial stability (from an outsider perspective - I don't work in tech) and prestige as well, so your family can brag, but outside of finances, it doesn't sound like a decision that really takes you into consideration. You know yourself best. Do whatever the fuck you want anon, it's your life at the end of the day and you'll have to do this career for god knows how long so better that it's something you know you can stand to do. Mortuary science also just sounds cool as fuck.
not sure how superstitious your Asian family/mom is, but I would imagine she'd be against it for superstitious reasons. My family is when it comes to stuff like that.Not sure why your mom would push political science kek. I majored in international relation and the jobs suck ass. You might like it since you get to meet many interesting people, but politics itself is fucking annoying and shitty.
No. 1099174
Applied to a part-time office position today. Hopefully they'll contact me since it's not too horribly paid and it's close by. I'm a lot like
>>1096297 in the sense that I do well for the first few months in a new position but then start having personal issues. I've been in therapy for a few years though so maybe it'll be easier to go back into that kind of setting. I always worry that I'm making excuses for myself when it comes to applying for jobs because I know where my weaknesses are, and historically continuous attempts at fixing or ignoring them just sends me into a downward spiral due to stress + burnout so I try to be mindful of that. But then I think: "other people can do it in worse circumstances, right? So get over yourself and do it already!" Maybe one of these days that'll work kek
I have an idea of working for myself that I really, really want to do but I'm still in the studying phase of it so I still have to have income somehow. Sending good luck to all the anons in the thread
No. 1099367
>>1098511>My manager left back in November because her and my regulatory director clashed. At the time, the director pretended to champion me because of her personal vendetta. My manager was a major bitch who never showed to the office nor gave me adequate training when I was onboarded but reported to the company I wasn't "retaining information" while watching me struggle to do her legwork
This kinda sounds like what I went through when I got hired as an artist at a game company. The other artists (and my fucking BOSS) just said "You'll pick it up as you go along." I bitched them out about that as well as the art director. I hate shitty bosses like that, anon, 'cause then they eventually make you the scapegoat, the lynchpin for why their department seems to be falling behind.
No. 1099413
>>1099153I have a massage and esthetician license, I do both. I make a large commission rate per treatment (it’s a very expensive resort) plus a 20% gratuity on each service. Also I make min wage ($15) on every hour I am clocked in, on top of tip and commission rate. At minimum I make $88/hr. Sometimes I make more- around $160 for the hour depending on length of treatment. Since it’s all percentage based, the more expensive the treatment, the higher the pay.
I could make more doing private practice but I don’t have the clientele nor the space to do it. And I don’t really like doing house calls.
No. 1100024
>>1099879Hey anon I'm in a program for library and info science rn and am about to get interviewed for a job that I am REALLY excited about and hope I get! I should probably get a part time job in a library while studying (though it's hard since libraries tend to hire internally). Btw library courses are very dry and boring. Are you planning to go into public libraries?
Anons, is it bad that I don't meet every qualification they listed in their ideal candidate for the jobs I apply for?
I hope I do well in my upcoming interviews! I haven't interviewed for a job in many years and I am getting nervous. I always get shaky because of my social anxiety and my words get garbled and I can't think straight. Any suggestions on how to prepare and calm tf down? I also really want this job so the excitement and anxiety will just clash together and make me even more incomprehensible during the interview!
I often wonder how I compare to other candidates too and feel bad. I feel much less put-together and knowledgeable compared to others since I'm not exactly a great student (I do bare minimum to get by). Competition makes me so nervous! Ah, I hate job searching and interviewing! It absolutely sucks, especially when you get rejected!
No. 1100200
>>1100133I'm so sorry to hear that, anon. That's a shame. Housing markets always screw people over. All the jobs are in the inner city but the rent there is often ridiculous that some people have to do 3h insane commutes.
My advice is to just stick through with what you have going on, even if it's hell. I have experienced a 3h of my day commuting and it's absolute hell, but once you are done the job, get the experience, and have the money from it, you can start living life with a better job, afford better housing, and have a smaller commute time!
No. 1100283
>>1100254That's what I did too. Try to distract yourself while commuting so you don't feel like you're killing time just sitting there trying to get home. I might get another job this summer (contract work) where it'll be 1h and 30 min commute for me, there and back each way. I never had a social life either which makes commuting longer hours easier because you can just come home and relax before repeating it again, all the while looking forward to your weekend.
I hope your options get better soon. At least you're getting paid well and gaining experience too, which your future employers will be impressed by!
No. 1102926
>>1102878I'm normally of the "don't burn bridges" camp, but your boss sounds awful and if your new boss is aware of his reputation, just send an email and stop showing up. If he calls, redirect him to your email. If he refuses to pay you your last paycheck, make sure you have some evidence of your hours logged and file a complaint with the department of labor (assuming you are burger). I don't like to burn bridges, especially with superiors, just out of fear of my reputation being unfairly smeared, but he sounds like the type of person who would still do it anyway no matter how respectful you try to be when you leave.
Unrelated, but I wish I had taken use of my shitty small amount of PTO when I left my last company. They didn't even pay it out after I left and I think they were supposed to. Stupid fuckers.
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I just got fired and I think it’s for calling off on my third day. My kid was sick and has asthma so he wasn’t handling it well and I had to spend a day in the ER.. this suckkss because at the time they seemed accepting but a week later they’re firing me. I was looking for a job for so long and I finally get one only to be canned instantly fml searching for another one but aaaaaaa it’s gonna be so hard to get another one, I live in a small town. I hate this.
No. 1103076
>>1103057Not legally required but in the future if you work with decent people and plan to leave for greener pastures, definitely put in a two week notice just so you can leave on a good note and potentially use them as a future reference. Fuck this current boss,
>>1103058 is right, you can just stop showing up. You'll eventually just be fired for being a no show (but make sure you get your last paycheck).
No. 1104261
>>1098652Fingers crossed that you land an internship! I'm excited on your behalf
>>1100024>Anons, is it bad that I don't meet every qualification they listed in their ideal candidate for the jobs I apply for? No; think of the qualifications as HR's bullshit wishlist unless you're applying for a senior and/or highly-specialized position. Never let them prevent you from applying to a job; worst case scenario, you won't get a callback.
>Any suggestions on how to prepare and calm tf down?ime people will know that candidates are nervous because they've been in the same situation, and joking about how nervous you are helps. If you're talking to the hiring manager and can initiate a conversation about something that you're passionate about, that can also go a LONG way both in demonstrating that you're worth hiring and getting you to relax. I've gotten jobs against people who were far more qualified on paper because the conversation directed towards something that I was passionate and knowledgeable about.
>>1102573As
>>1102654 said, this is completely normal. In the big five tech companies, there are even classes dedicated to remedying imposter syndrome.
No. 1104418
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Been out of college and working professionally outside of my college town for a year now, and it's only just setting in that this is the rest of my life. No more mid-semester breaks, no more late night study sessions with my friends, no more partying every weekend, no more summer restaurant jobs surrounded by people my own age with all my money going towards rent, booze and new clothes, no more living a five minute walk away from everyone in my social circle. Long-term employed nonnas how did you/what did you do to cope with the transition from full-time study to full-time work? Just feeling very much like a hamster on a wheel right now.
No. 1104472
>>1096297>>1099174I can relate as well. After my first workplace where I managed to stay for years, the workplaces that came after I was fired after a few months. Feeling intimidated with job search right now, because I just know I'm not going to be able to keep another job for long again and also no way my previous employers will give me a reference letter.
I feel like the only way to support myself would have to be some sort of self-employment because I evidently cannot work in a corporate setting
>>1104418Yeah, I know the feeling of being trapped in a cage but I don't have anything useful to say unfortunately. I guess remind yourself of all the things you will/can do after work and try and look forward to them?
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>hate my first job of out school
>friend from uni says there’s grad roles going at her firm
>hell yeah!
>talk to hr and they seem to really like me
>application process must include copy of my academic transcript
>I fucked around and scraped by in college
>hell no!
Everyone tells me that work experience trumps study so really hoping that’s true in this case and that my only competition are truly freshly graduated students with no job experience
No. 1106116
>>1104761ugh you just
triggered the memory of my uncle telling me about a factory he worked in and how a woman got her hand stuck under a machine because the upper management ignored his safety concern. because they prioritized the workers doing less motions over more (it would have literally been one step more too) - which would take them longer to complete tasks thus making them less money, so they decided to ignore him and of course the worst ended up happening. actual nightmare shit. he also mentioned how they treated the women there like shit in general. but i also live in the balkans kek. if you're from a normal country where safety concerns are actually respected, those are supposed to make it extremely difficult for you to hurt yourself, i'd say try it but be careful. if your government is as corrupt as mine… i would not advise it.
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I have a question for anons who do writing or big brain work. I’m about a month into a new remote job, doing editing work for highly technical reports for the government. The job is technically salaried, but since government has to have lots of red tape I still clock my hours and describe how much time I spend on particular tasks. My question is, if I follow my schedule according to the implied recommendations (8 hours of work plus 30 minutes of break), by ~2 pm I start hitting a wall where my speed of editing and quality of work start tanking. If I keep at it then by 5 pm I’m an utter husk, and towards the end of the day I’m able to get like nothing done. If I take regular 10-30 minute breaks throughout the day though I have a lot more energy, can focus better, and can do good work most to all of the day. But obviously I would be working fewer raw hours and would have to fudge my time card. Guess my question is, is that normal and should I do that?
The only full-time jobs I’ve had before this have been blue collar jobs, where you can still work the pretty much the same no matter how physically or mentally exhausted you are.
When writing/editing my thesis I had to be very cognizant of maximizing my productivity so I could graduate on time, and though trial and error I found I made the most good progress when I took breaks like I described above. But maybe that’s not how the other editors operate and it would come back to kick me in the butt. I don’t know.
But basically yeah this vomit has been to ask any other writing-type people how much time of their day is for good productive writing and how much is letting your brain cool off.
No. 1108865
>>1108525That's very normal anon! I've been doing similar work for years and a day I get 4 hours focused productivity is a good day.
It's not lying to say it took you 3 hours to write a draft when it was 2hrs "work" and 1hr stretching, having tea, or fucking around on lolcow.
The breaks are part of the process. It's the exhale to your inhale, as it were. As long as you're not going to Disneyland and logging it as work hours, I wouldn't worry.
Remote can be stressful because you feel very SEEN but to be highly productive 8hrs a day is a recipe for burnout. In offices that focus is broken up with coffee breaks, smoke breaks, and gossip so most people maybe do 1-2hrs of focus a day. At home it's easier to go beyond that, but you've got to pace yourself for your own health and productivity.
No. 1108916
>>1108845You'll have to accept that you said yes to the salary. To be honest springing the offer on someone on the phone is definitely a manipulative way to get them not to negotiate. It's kind of a bad sign, along with the glassdoor reviews, that they don't have a good culture around compensation.
But if you already gave them a firm yes, it looks really unprofessional to go back and say actually you want more. Your best bet is to start off and say "what would I have to do to get a 5k increase in the next 6 months" and whatever they say, get it in writing and work towards it.
You've always got to take money convos by the balls. I've gotten salary increases in incredibly stingy companies because I keep asking, what can I do for this increase? And they usually give some fluffy answer that you can translate into action.
When you prove you can go above and beyond, and they've got written proof of that promise, you tend to get what you want.
No. 1108956
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Am I crazy for wanting to get into IT, considering how everyone and their grandma seems to be doing it?
I working a call center job right now which is draining me but it pays really well. I'd use the money to get into a tech course/bootcamp and them work from there. Sadly I don't have the time/enviroment to self study because of my current job so I feel like something structured like classes would help a lot. But I can't help but feel like I'm chasing something that will never work out. Just, idk man
No. 1110403
>>1110297Yes, I'm an immigrant who couldn't get a good education because my high school diploma was foreign so I couldn't get points for it on university entrance exams. I did a bullshit degree and then landed a job in IT. I lied a lot on my resume for things you couldn't prove, and I'm good at sounding like I know what I'm talking about, especially to HR who don't know much about tech.
I got really good at what I do over the first year of work so it's not like I don't have credentials to back it up now, but getting your foot in the door is the hardest step because there's no way to 'prove' who you are. Plus, people discriminated against me based on my name and nationality, so I just said fuck it and lied a whole lot. Would do it again.
No. 1110753
>>1110403tips on things to lie about? kek
I have a similar background and I have no idea how to get my foot in the door for web design/dev stuff
No. 1110906
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Girls pls help
I applied for a job and then sent a follow up and the lady emailed back and said 'give me a call pls here is my number'
is this good? how do i respond? i can't just call someone on the spot, isn't that rude? should i organise a call?
does this mean i have an interview?
pls say it does
also if i get this job and become a rich bich i will buy all of you booba tea
No. 1110940
>>1110915Ok, I will call them…but shouldn't I organise a phone call first? She could be busy, she can't be beside her phone all day right?
also thank you for the help queens
>>1110915Thank you! I will use these words ♥
No. 1111172
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waiting to see if i get a third interview. i feel like it could go either way but icant help but jump to doom conclusions. i feel like part of my interview went really well and the other half was mediocre and i didnt get to express myself concisely nd professionally so sigh. i have a problem with rambling and yet have so much to say and explain at the same time. this job is in my ideal career path in my dream industry as well so, feeling lowkey suicidal already even if i haven't gotten rejected or accepted yet
No. 1111260
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I’ve applied to almost 100 jobs now. I’ve been ghosted so many times from recruiters and I’m afraid of having to go back to soul-crushing retail work. I can barely make rent with a roommate but the only jobs left for me to apply for are $12 and under despite me having a degree and previous work experience in my field (Healthcare IT)
No. 1112060
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I've never told anyone this because of how embarrassing it is but its something I think about all the time with so much regret. I worked a part-time retail job for a short while, everything was ok until this male manager who became my line mngr joined. I'm a very quiet and agreeable person and hate confrontation so I usually don't clash with people, but this manager disliked me the moment he met me. He once made a snide comment about my ethnicity so I assumed it had something to do with that. Because I didn't have a contract, I was a big pushover saying yes to everything and never stood up to him compared to my other colleagues who didn't take any of his shit. One afternoon, I was in the backroom freezer restocking milk and he came behind me looking for milk for a customer. Out of nowhere he pushed me onto the trolley and shouted move. The freezer room is huge so its not like there wasn't enough space, he didn't even ask me to move before pushing. I'm a short 130lb girl to his ~260lb so it did feel very forceful even if he didn't mean it to be.
I was quite shocked and I don't remember how I responded. I definitely didn't say anything, I either said hey or gave a nervous laugh. I didn't tell a soul, a part of me did want to go to senior management, but I weighed up the pros and cons and decided against it. I had an image of this balding middle aged guy losing his job not being able to provide for his family and decided against it. I wish I said something, I feel as though I'm exaggerating the incident, but what hurts most is my inaction. The fact that I did nothing. Not a big surprise but I was let go after that without reason.
No. 1112162
>>1112158Maybe not even miserable home lives. They are miserable. Insecure wankers.
My ex was always talking about work like it was a battleground. Always picking people to measure against and would make shit personal about promotions etc. If he focused on his fucking work maybe his colleagues wouldn't have fucking hated him.
No. 1113182
>>1102926>>1102890>>1102891Hi anons, update here. I emailed him last week and he was gutted. I didn't let on I was going somewhere new and he actually believed me, kek. He has had me do ridiculous stuff, such as driving 70 miles somewhere to drop something off (never done this before for my job), 70 miles back, all with terrible traffic. He found a replacement and I'm training her and he makes disparaging comments about my training ability in front of her which is ridiculous because he himself is a terrible teacher and he's frustrated I'm going slow, but I have to because of the nature of my job - there's so much to do and so much information, we have burnt out training others before because it overwhelms them and I obviously don't want to do that. Mind you I am writing notes for this person (they aren't writing any notes themselves) and it is really upsetting given how I'm trying to basically do him a favor.
All this annoyed me, but it didn't prepare me for yesterday when I checked my direct deposit and I was basically making what I did when I started (I received multiple raises since starting at this place). I sent him and the accountant a detailed email for the purposes of me being able to say I gave them a chance to pay me back. Today I checked my payroll site as I was saving all my paychecks as evidence and I noticed that while I technically was making the same rate, all of a sudden my taxes on that paycheck doubled to the point where the taxes were a third of my paycheck. It's insane considering they've never been that much before and I'm not sure at this point if it's a genuine mistake or not. But luckily I didn't accuse them, I just emailed them wanting an explanation and for the problem to be rectified.
Is it possible they are screwing up the taxes or is that a real thing where it can randomly double so it's eating up a third of my paycheck? I've never had this occur in all the time I've worked there and it's not like I make a lot to be in a totally different tax bracket.
No. 1115523
>>1113182Secondary update - the accountant emailed me back and claimed it was a "payroll error" and they made sure to stress it happened to everyone. I noticed my boss did not respond to me, though he did text me asking if I'd come in. I can imagine him coaching our accountant as he's done many times before when it comes to having her do his dirty work for him.
I decided not to go in today. I will start my new job Thursday. Am I insane for assuming they were lying to me given their extensive history of lying to companies and doing overall shady shit?
No. 1117607
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>>1111172welp, didn't get it. really stings honestly. I know I didn't interview super well but it kinda sucks that false promises and talking highly of myself is what gets me through the door rather than my enthusiasm and culture fit.
I applied to an internship today despite feeling like shit. There aren't a whole lot of entry level opportunities for me and I no longer qualify for student internships so, kinda feeling like ass since no one want me.
No. 1120154
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>>1119419I don't write cover letters unless I feel like I can write something impassioned and believable. This standard is largely for my own comfort though, since I personally find it pretty difficult to lie or misrepresent myself. I also generally think that a place that would require a cover letter for boring bullshit would probably have a shitty passive aggressive culture.
>>1119416Honestly, you should try using a more white-sounding name. You'd be surprised what a difference it makes, especially if your name would make employers think that you're not a native English speaker.
>>11193603/5 stars company culture is generally going to be a red flag, yeah, but I don't think the ratio itself is that worrisome for male-dominated fields like tech, or engineering. I think the specifics of the reviews are much more important than the rating itself. e.g. SpaceX has a 4.0 on glassdoor which is decent, but probably half of the 5 star reviews mention some horrid working hours and reek of elitism. I've worked for a company that had a 4.3 and a company that had a 4.5. The 4.5 was actually great, while the 4.3 was nightmarish to work for, but HR poured a ton of resources into getting employees to self-blame instead of seeing that the hundreds of problems with the workplace were systemic. In short, online reviews are a fuck and you never know what you're gonna get.
>picrel: third most recent spaceX review No. 1120355
>>1119419My cover letter is a quick summary of my resume and a few personal qualities of mine that would benefit the work place, where I trained and years of experience. I also have a couple sentences where a talk about myself as an employee and I’m honest about it. I don’t work in a competitive field so I guess I don’t see a need to lie. I try to avoid cliches like “hard worker” “Fast learner” “on time”. That isn’t shit they care about nor want to read. They expect those qualities.
You want them to read your resume so it needs to stay interesting but also not too long. Mine is 3 paragraphs 4-5 sentences long.
>>1119416I agree with the anon saying to change your name to something less foreign. Your work place won’t care. Government paperwork obviously keep your legal name but put something simpler on your resume. I work with people who don’t go by their government name. Everyone calls them by the hippie ass name they picked. Just tell them that’s the name you prefer.
The lady who does my nails, her license says Nguyen Vi but she goes by Kween kek. It’s not unusual to burger-ize a foreign name even tho i imagine it kind of sucks.
No. 1122291
Same anon as
>>1112216 I was given such an amazing offer from another job I interviewed for and I accepted. I was in tears because I never thought I could make that much money before. All my life I've been poor as dirt. My mom and grandma were also crying for me, too. The background check is next week and I'm nervous. I applied way before given the idea to make it an unpaid internship. I'm going to stay positive and hope it works out.
No. 1123196
>>1122291I typed up half of a massive thing for you, but I realized that my post was getting out of hand largely because I just didn't have enough details to specifically advise you one way or another.
So, some questions:
Was this place listed on your resume as a previous place of employment? If so, what did you write about it?
Is it one of your three most recent employers?
What country are you in?
Did you file taxes?
Does the "company" still exist?
The background check will ask you to fill out basic information about your previous three employers. It needs to be in line with what you put on your resume, but there's some wiggle room in regards to details, and it's very important how you frame it to the background check agency.
No. 1123210
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I kekked at this. As if declared wages were a plus and not the minimum
No. 1123220
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>>1123210Another dream company
>>1123214omg kek
No. 1123254
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This is both a vent and a question about how realistic is what I'd want to do. I lost my job less than a month ago and started applying to places and been using this time to reflect on things. I am unfit to work in a company-setting. I have unmanaged ADHD and always feel like that it's just a matter of time until my mistakes start piling up and I inevitably get fired after a while. I am also bad at handling social situations. My previous two jobs didn't last a year.
What I was thinking is…would it be feasible to be a freelancer and do a variety of different things remotely (UX, translation, illustration)? Does anyone do this? This would be a dream situation for me, not doing the same thing all day long and not having to be in a corporate setting.
No. 1123685
>>1043200I'm quitting my job after two weeks. Not because it's not a great place to work, but because I spontaneously decided to move a long way from home. This is in part because I feel unsafe if the same people around me can see me every day and collect information on me, and also because I thought it would make me happy, and I need change.
Anyway, sorry for blogging. I feel like it's ok because I neglected to ask for any money, all I've got is experience and a reference from them, so I feel like it's a decent trade in return for the work I did. I nonetheless feel bad for leaving so soon.
No. 1124122
>>1123834That's great honestly and you shouldn't have much to worry about! If they ask about wages earned during your first year of work, I would recommend saying that you were not profitable yet and that you had to live off your savings/BF, since you don't have any tax records to back it up.
Otherwise, it's great that you've paid taxes for the last 3 years, because you can use that to definitely prove your employment/stake in the business. Now the only thing you have to worry about is being badmouthed by your former employer.
The agency will want to contact the employer, and they'll rely on contact information you give them to do so.
Since it's a small company, this contact information will likely just be the contact info of the girl you worked with. You have the option to them that they do NOT have permission to contact the employer, but companies don't really like that for obvious reasons.
Your former boss/partner might answer the phone and speak with them, or she might ignore their calls. Background check agencies are ime pretty quick to give up on trying to speak with small employers, and at that point they'll just ask for your story/tax documents.
There's a chance that your former business partner could shit-talk you over the phone. The background check agency likely won't care, as many are only looking to verify what you've filled out (see picrel for example from Sterling) and nothing more. I think that you ghosting them is technically you resigning… but I'm not 100% sure. But if she chooses to divulge that you ghosted, that information still might not end up making its way to the hiring company.
Anyways, that's all to say that you
should be totally fine in these circumstances. Good job filing your taxes! Don't stress too much and just take it one step at a time.
No. 1124334
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>get a 6 months contract to work as a social media manager for a pretty small label/concert booking startup
>already worked in the social media com field with bands so i know what i'm doing
>they don't have a lot of concerts in 2021 because covid, still do what i can with what i have
>pianist of their biggest band broke his wrist and the band had to perform the only 3 concerts of march that the label had
>when i ask for photos of the latest concerts they never have fucking any
>almost all of their bands last albums are 1 year old or older except one artist
>don't just do communication but also design for their websites, already 2 epks, excell sheets etc…
>boss tell me i don't do enough
My job literally relies on what the bands (aka other people) are going to do. I can't invent new albums or concerts. If i do more I'd do what most people consider spam. If there is any nonnas working in the advertising/communication field please tell me what i can do more
No. 1124930
>>1124394Yeh like the other anons are saying, they could be trying to gauge if you've been looking for a long time. A lot of applications sent without getting any offers might be a sign that you don't interview well (not judging you personally, but this is what they might think).
If you've just started sending out applications and your resume looks good to them, it might be an incentive to the recruiter to get you an interview ASAP, in case you get a better offer. Along the same lines, I also had recruiters asking me how many interviews I've had, and whether I've had any offers, that sort of thing.
No. 1125197
>>1125163Lol if I weren't in such a small company I'd swear you'd be talking about the engineer in mine.
I hate her guts.
Constantly talks herself up about being such a "hard worker" despite never doing much within the scope of her job and certainly never going beyond it. Ass kisses management but then talks massive shit. ""Cross trains"" people like me and even newer engineers into doing all the tedious shit she doesn't wanna do (def outside the scope of
our duties) but keeps the most important–but not necessarily harder–shit for herself so she can constantly inflate her own value. Gatekeeps anyone else for a higher promotion to management by subtly negging even though she isn't a manager, is on the panel of interviewers for newhires in our department even though she should have no fucking say but the company shits itself if no one gets along with this bitch instead of viewing her as the problem. Comes in early because there's no work to do and gets to leave early because of it, bitches if heaven forbid she has to stay a little later even though we're all salaried. Quick to point out other people's mistakes "innocently" but gets big mad if anyone tries to pin blame on something she did wrong.
Ex military, professional bullshitter, constantly talks about her co-dependent college daughter and their emotional enmeshment from being a single mom–cannot imagine why. Super punchable.
No. 1125925
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I just got a job offer in my favourite city with a $16k pay increase from my current role. Most of it is going to go to rent and expenses but it’s $5k above what I asked for and $3k above my highest expectations. I’m so stoked right now nonnas you wouldn’t believe.
No. 1125943
>>1125925Yay! So happy for you
nonnie! That's amazing, much love to this next chapter of your life!
No. 1126461
>>1126446He made comments about a woman and the woman told her manager who told me so I hopped on the investigation.
I'm really happy with this one because said something like "I don't want to date her, she's not my type" and the employee said she would see him staring at her. Comments I would assume a workplace isn't "enough" but I'm really surprised everyone I'm speaking with about it thinks it's a terminable offense!
No. 1126483
>>1126037Thanks
nonnie.My job was cutting costs and fired a lot of people for things that should have been a verbal warning or write up. I got let go without a single warning or write up, so i'm a bit salty. Just trying to get my bearings again.
No. 1126719
>>1126461>I'm really surprised everyone I'm speaking with about it thinks it's a terminable offense!They probably don't actually think that, they likely all just hate his guts for related reasons and are happy for the excuse to let him go.
I'm happy for all of you though!
No. 1126793
>>1126362Yes queen! Hope he seethes. Report back with deets.
>>1126780NTA but some places don’t need a reason to fire you or let you go. At least in burgerland. I live in California and they can literally fire you because they want to. They don’t need a reason. However, if you believe the reason was discriminatory/illegal (because of race or disability, age, etc) you can fight it.
No. 1127391
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Yesterday I was supposed to have an interview on Teams. I show up on time. 5 minutes pass. No one has shown up. 10 minutes pass. I exit and reenter Teams, thinking maybe it's some sort of tech issue. It's not. 15 minutes pass. Then 20. Then 25. That's when I quit. I wrote an email to HR about what's going on, she apologizes profusely and says she will look into what could have happened.
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but could have this been a test? To see how long I'd wait and what kind of an email I'd send about it to HR? And if I showed anger that I wouldn't be a good candidate or something?
I'm already starting to burn out from job searching and I haven't even been doing for long. The whole process stresses me out so much. When you're super excited about a position and apply, only to not get any kind of answer, not even a 'Thank you fo your application but we went with another candidate this time'. Then applying for a position that you don't care about, and having to act enthousiastic about it during the interview
No. 1127523
>>1127391Did you make any other kind of effort to the interviewer, or did you just sit in the Teams room?
The interviewer probably just forgot. If it was a test it would have been more along the lines to see if you would take action or initiative to contact the interviewer instead of just sitting there twiddling your thumbs. Yes, it is their responsibility to be punctual and their approach was 100% unprofessional, but companies want people who take action instead of sitting there waiting for people to come to them.
No. 1128358
>>1128322I think it goes up to 5% at the highest rate. I don't recall what inflation is right now to compare. To me I just take it as "sweet, the pay rate is actually a tiny bit higher than I expected when being hired".
But then I've mainly worked retail or other part time stuff where the only raise I got was like a 20 cent increase after a year.
No. 1128460
>>1128192people restart their careers all the time, much older than late 20s and sometimes without a decade of experience in anything.
how do they do it? start at the bottom like starting any new career. that might mean going back to school however possible, or getting a job through networks, leveraging your transferrable skills, or just talking a good game. how did you get into culinary? it's the same shit, just you have more life experience and other skills than you did before, which you may be able to leverage into starting at a higher level than entry.
that said, usually people who restart careers usually have one in mind already so they are able to plan. other times it's just people who take any old odd jobs and don't have a set career.
No. 1129194
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Do any nonnies read job search and career-related self help-type books? And do you find them helpful in getting the employment you want and related things? Any reading recs, whether entire books or just even specific wise chapters? I suck at and really dread jobhunting, long story short I ended up in amazon's categories for these types of books and looked at the highest rated ones and their reviews. Still skeptical (and frugal) I prefer to borrow these out from a library and/or pirate off libgen, zlibrary, etc. Covid's obviously affected jobs so as of now I don't bother reading (or skimming) any book published earlier than 2020 - For example I've picked up a couple of books by a Duke University career coach, one published April of last year called The Job Closer (which is an incredibly quick read, broken up into three parts that deal with what to do long Before an interview, During, and After…and everything in it seems beneficial to put into practice except maybe the personality test he shills), and the other by him which I worry I might be wasting too much time with and should just cherry pick what I like since its most recent edition came out back in April 2020. That's not to say that really good advice has no use if it's possibly outdated, there's a few other factors I weigh such as not personally being American but still reading some quite America-centric books of this type, and also the rising cost of Everything worrying me when I fuck around more than I intend to/do things wrong and it sets me back on my goals. Side note, it really grinds my gears that these types of books preach about how important networking is and how people with more thriving social lives have an easier time getting considered for the interview but that's because the truth hurts kek. Also, any nonnie bother with the What Color Is Your Parachute books (there is a 2022 version) or find the flower exercise helpful?
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>>1130191agree on hokas, though i don't think they're cute. used to work in an ortho office and these were always recommended by our doctors. definitely better than velcro grandma orthopedic shoes though. maybe anons will disagree with me and think they're cute though. i guess they look about the same as a lot of the hypercolored new balances and such.
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>>1130090I was on my feet the whole time when I worked retail and I wore sketchers with memory foam soles, most comfortable shoes I've ever tried. Not especially cute but the all black ones look ok
No. 1130888
>>1130267Also most stinky shoes. Every pair of Sketchers I bought was the worst ventilated footwear I have worn so I stopped buying them despite their comfiness.
Sorry for derail, but it's important to know such a fault.
No. 1132151
>>1132148For me it's 45 minutes max and changing bus/train is a no-go, but I guess that depends how good public transport is in your city. Simply because it's so painful to have dependencies like the 7am bus didn't come so you missed the 7.20 train and the next one is 20 minutes later and packed.
Remember an hour commute means two hours of your day, every day,plus half hour bracket to decompress from public transport… It's three hours of your life just gone every day.
If it's 45 minutes in a quiet bus when you can read or knit, that's acceptable.
Maybe try taking the route by yourself at the time you'd need to start work, just as a test run.
No. 1132156
>>1132148I think it depends on what the route is like, what your work hours are like, and how much energy you have. Long commutes pretty much add two unpaid hours to your workday. I had an hour commute at my last workplace, and working from 9-6 meant that I would get up at 7am and not be home until 7pm. By the time I'd eaten dinner, showered, and unwound, it'd be time to go to sleep. It was an amazing job so for me it was worth it, but only for a year. Like
>>1132151 said, I would say 45 max on a very direct bus route, maybe 30 if I had to change loads or use the subway.
No. 1132513
I'm searching for a new job for july to pay for my studies and the requirement for minimum wage jobs are actually fucking insane what the shit! To work as a cashier in an ikea like store you must have minimum 2 years of experience AND some kind of professionnal training??!! With the minimum pay and the maximum hours an employer can cram in a week too???
>>1132148Depends on the job, depends on the pay honestly. I already do a 45 min commute for a very low paying job and i just can't wait to be over with it lmao
No. 1132544
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>>1132513apply for whatever you want, people get hired without meeting so-called 'minimum' requirements all the time, even pre covid. and now employers are desperate for staff.
https://www.rewire.org/apply-for-a-job-not-qualified/ No. 1132563
>>1132544Barely related rant but one time I was literally dressed down during an interview, the HR woman berated me for even applying for the job when I didn't have experience in the position (entry level insurance claims). The job description said no experience was necessary and it only required a HS diploma, I got through the phone screen fine, and then I got treated like a retard for showing up to the interview and thinking I had a chance.
I think that a lot of these jobs either 1. Aren't real 2. Are already decided for someone internally and they have to show they interviewed outside sources for financial reasons. Because I am a well educated young woman, I dress professionally, I have a great resume with offices positions that ended amicably, it makes no sense
No. 1132910
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i really hate anatomy. it feels like i have information spilling out of every orifice in my body and im trying to pick it up off the ground and stuff it back inside me as quickly as possible before i lose it forever. I was eavesdropping on people in the lab and kept hearing people saying shit that i have no recollection of ever learning in my life
No. 1133455
>>1132148I commute like 1hr48m by 2 trains and maybe a light rail.
I don't actually mind it. I read books and decompress, listen to music, play games, do a little work maybe, and turn my brain off. When I come home I don't feel like I wasted time because I just read 5 chapters in a book, for ex.
I'd kms if I had to sit in traffic even if it made the commute 30min in comparison, and the extra time I "saved" would be another 50min in front of the TV or computer so actually I'm not missing out on life.
It definitely helps to have a relaxed office with flexible schedule and adult coworkers who trust we can handle our biz and work biz responsibly. Probably why I stomach the commute in the first place.
No. 1133756
>>1132910What level of anatomy are we talking about?
Look at some medical terminology videos if you need to learn the basics. Start small, orient yourself, and then build from there.
No. 1133820
>>1133749Why on earth would you want to teach high school social studies? It's literally just government propaganda, in this day and age you're going to be stuck teaching how troons are uwu
valid. And it's only going to get worse as things get crazier.
It's like living in china and wanting to cynically be still teaching Marxist economic theory. Do you really want to be teaching stuff that's not only pointless, but damaging?
No. 1134178
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Does feeling like asshole come with the territory of being a codecel?
I'm retraining in CompSci and when I do a full day of tech work I come home feeling dull, sick and stupid. Does this feeling go away over time? My friends that do the job all complain of constant headaches so I'm getting a bit apprehensive.
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I worked so hard for my engineering degree and now that I've been working for a few years I can't say I enjoy it… I should've just done CS. Assholes makes more than me to sit at home and fix web page buttons then fuck off at 2pm (half joking…)
No. 1136293
>>1135075Can you code
nonnie? A background in engineering and a decent understanding of how to put code together should be more than enough to switch into a CS job. There's such a huge gap in the market in cybersecurity that they'll hire anyone with an analytical mind and who seems like someone they can train, you'd be leagues above a lot of other applicants.
No. 1138212
>>1137244There's a lot of ways. It'll depend on your country or city, but some companies do training courses to fill the roles because there just aren't enough qualified people. Take a look at a job description and see what you already have that could be transferrable and any glaring gaps. I'd recommend trying to get your CompTIA Security or something like that if you want to give yourself an extra edge, and maybe dust off PowerShell scripting if you've not used it in a while, but honestly every company I've worked for just wants to see that you're interested in the field and you'd fit into the team.
>>1137890I'm based in the UK so it might be different where you are, but here they're comparable in the entry roles and then cybersecurity shoots ahead in average salaries as the roles get more senior. I only mention cybersec because it's the one field I know just can't get the staff which puts you in a nice negotiating position.
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I'm curious, how common is it where you are for companies to pay 'envelope wages'? It's when a part of your payment is official and declared but the rest of it is undeclared (and you get it in an envelope).
I'm in the EU in a central-european country and here it is a very common practice at smaller, local companies. At one of my workplaces the boss would go around and gave out the envelopes personally and some of my coworkers always joked that it was like 'Santa Claus giving out presents', but to be honest I always found it more humiliating than funny. Like we weren't payed enough and even a part of that small amount was treated as if it was a fucking gift. I'm especially curious about American workplaces, is this a practice there also?
No. 1141707
>>1141678Am fmrm the balkans and we hace somrthing similar.
Your boss writes into your contract that you get min wage but then you get the actual agreed amount via envelope. Other than that, never heard of it
No. 1141891
>>1141678I’m burgerland we call that “paid under the table”. But that’s for illegal jobs like trimming weed for blackmarket or side jobs you pay Mexicans that you pick up from the side of the road. I pay a girl in cash to come to my house and wax my body hair off. It’s cash in-hand you don’t have to declare. Never heard of a legit business doing that. Honestly it seems shady.
At my job we sometimes get $100 visa gift cards from management as a token of appreciation. But that’s it.
No. 1141947
Update to
>>1112216 a few days ago, I signed an offer letter for a dream position and will start in a couple weeks. Though I did have to initiate the background check and sign the offer at the same date, but I'm not that worried about it anymore and I'm feeling more confident it will all work out.
No. 1143125
>>1142478Congrats
nonny, that's wonderful. I hope it all goes well!
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Are corduroy pants a suitable clothing choice in a semi-relaxed professional work environment? Or are they on the same level as jeans?
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Annies please help. After quitting my job 2 years and doing random gigs, I finally found a part time job. It's only been a little over a month but I'm realizing that I don't like working here. It's a front desk position and I am very shy/an introvert/a people disliker. I feel dread when I am driving to the job location. I don't feel any joy in what I'm doing. I don't like having to drive out somewhere and pretend to enjoy talking to people. I'm not trying to sound like a complainer either. There's nothing wrong with my employer. I just don't think I'm a good fit for the job because I'm introverted and everyone else there is extroverted.
I'm currently looking for and applying for other positions that would better suit me (more project based, more hands on, less people facing). I had an opportunity to work from home around the same time that I had an interview for my current job, but I rejected it. It was a reservation agent position at PetSmart that pays way more. Would I be a weirdo if I contacted the HR lady and asked her if I could still try out for the position?
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>>1143785If the other pieces of the outfit are formal, then it's suitable, yes
No. 1146824
>>1146677Most people with fucked in the head mental problems like that become nightshift security guards. It's actually really safe, contrary to what people think, and you're just driving around for eight to twelve hours going to different sites.
Nightfill supermarket part time, night security, night gas station. Night anything.
No. 1146892
>>1146824Describing someone with PTSD as being "that fucked in the head" is excessive, what the hell. They're a
victim, not an offender liable to fly off the handle. Working 3rd shift is far from their only option and probably not a good idea tbh, that sleep cycle will affect her mood and people can be scarier to deal with at night.
No. 1147129
>>1147120Just submit it. I just recently switched jobs that required me to have a fully finished business degree. I never went to uni. Still got the job.
They write all kinds of expectations that most of them do not even belief themselves. Just do it. Good luck nonna!
No. 1147208
>>1147120I'm in the exact same spot anon. It's a good time to be a career switcher. The great resignation was a wake up call for a lot of people that career switching is going to be the new norm.
I know it sounds cheesy but you do have an advantage over fresh graduates, transferable skills and maturity are both big bonuses. I wish years ago when I was hiring grads, I had the option of hiring grownups instead lol.
Remember also that it's a numbers game and all you need is one person to give you a chance.
Can I ask what field you're looking to enter? I am aiming for a niche of interaction design and found LinkedIn to be a really great resource.
No. 1148054
>>1147899Just fucking kidding!!! He called me after I got home and told me to come in anyway and I was like… dude if I put off this appointment it's a TWO MONTH WAIT for the next appointment. I managed to work out working from home in the morning, going out to my appointment that'll take a few hours, and then coming into the office and staying late and when I proposed it and asked if that was ok he kept saying "well I don't know because we don't know the meeting schedule for sure" as if we haven't dealt with these meetings all year long. I asked if I could work from home completely since the meeting is online anyway and it would make absolutely no difference but he
insists that I come in as if the computer I work on makes a difference?? Why can't I stay home and work late in the comfort of my home and jammies after my appointment? What the fuck.
No. 1148218
>>1148090Samefag, thank you,
nonnie! Should have waited to post til I read your post. Were you able to maintain a decent wage starting out as a receptionist? I can't drop from what I was making, it needs to be at least $18. As a cook, I clawed my way up to $17 by being a total nag to the GM over the years. And that's barely livable as is. I can't drop back down to minimum wage. And was upward movement fast or did it take awhile to go up from receptionist?
No. 1148288
>>1148218I actually live with my parents and don't pay rent so I only had my student loans to worry about at the time. I was earning $17.50 at my retail job, then as a receptionist I earned $15 (minimum wage for my state). For whatever reason they bumped my pay up to $16 after 6 months. The position was a temporary position, with a max of 1 year (because they didn't want to pay health insurance for their receptionist- they changed receptionists every year). I left after my contract was up, found a job as an admin/receptionist at another company and they paid me $17. I left after about 10 months because a full time, permanent position opened up at the company where I was a receptionist, and got the job which is my current job. I'm no longer a receptionist, I'm a news research assistant (i.e. I make cliffnotes of whatever my boss needs to learn quickly, plus some admin work on the side). I earn a salary of 35k a year which is god awful and pitiful, but my company is cheap as fuck and it's more than what another open position offers (that I was rejected for). I don't plan on staying for more than 2-3 years because the pay sucks, but it's good experience to move away from receptionist work but still staying within the office.
I was also interviewing for an HR assistant job when interviewing for my current position. I think I could've gotten it but I didn't go through with the final interview since I took this position. Pay was a lot more (like $24) but I took my job because despite low pay, I knew it'd be easy work, commute was much shorter (20 min vs almost an hour), and I knew everyone here already.
I was incredibly lucky to move through positions quickly but honestly, just make lots of friends and be very pleasant because, like everyone says, it's not what you know, it's who you know. I was literally recommended for my position by a coworker here who I was friendly with. My pay has gradually been going up with each new position I take/interview for, so it's doable. For reference, I took that first receptionist job in mid-2019, took the other admin job in mid-2020, then took my current job mid 2021. I was willing to take the pay hit to escape retail but I do understand that that's not a position everyone can afford. Giving some of my luck to you nona! I really believe that you just need to find just one person to believe in you and that's all it takes to move your career/life to where you want it to be. Reach out to recruiters too! A recruiter found me and reached out to me about the first receptionist position but I almost ignored the email because I was sick of dealing with them and they always fell through with me. They can be very, very frustrating, but it's another avenue to put yourself out there through, especially since some companies hire solely through recruiters.
I really don't know what the job market is like right now, but I think minimum one year as a receptionist is all you really need to show to other companies that you are capable of working in an office environment, combined with previous ~*~*fast paced*~*~ experience in food service, and you're good! Maybe even 6 months might be ok? Depends on the hiring person I guess!
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Anyone else find themselves in the middle of work drama and you’re the neutral one?
Idk how I managed to be peace negotiator (everyone seems to like me and I’m friendly/easy to talk to) between coworkers and management. I like everyone and enjoy my job- even management. Which everyone else seems to have an issue with. I’m not seeing the problem at all. I think I managed to get us a pay raise - not sure how much tho.
I dont get it. We get paid really well, they feed us really good food. Employees feel under appreciated which ok yea that sucks but that’s management. They’re not awful as everyone tries to make them out to be.
I’m worried a couple of my coworkers are going to drag me down with them. One of them is convinced she’s going to be fired and just talks mad shit. It stresses me out. I don’t think I’ll get fired but it makes me feel like I need to kiss management ass. But then my coworkers might resent me. I’ve told everyone tho that I am neutral and not picking sides.
Fack. I’m too old for this work place drama. And I’m the youngest. And I’m fucking 33. Kill me.
No. 1149181
>>1149109Yea I was looking at jobs the other day but no one is really hiring right now- at least no one who can match what I make currently. I have two kids and I’m on my own so it’s not very easy for me to just quit. I just bought a new car too so my savings is pitiful at the moment.
It’s not THAT stressful. I’m not miserable or unhappy right now, just a little anxious. I really like it there and don’t have issues with anyone. I just need to find a way to wiggle out of being peace keeper and I think I’ll be good. Hopefully this pay raise will help.
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My workplace has employed an actual retard as my equivalent to do a senior job position. I had initially requested a new job post to be created as there’s not enough hours to cover all my duties, I was happy to have someone below me I could delegate small tasks to but they insisted it’s best to have an equivalent for when I go on vacation or cover sickness… but now my workload has increased because he makes mistakes constantly so I’m having to correct his mistakes or I’m sending emails scolding him for mistakes, answering dumb questions or grovelling to other departments about incorrect data I have sent them because he has cocked up something. It doesn’t matter how many times you have training sessions with him, he doesn’t learn with ANY method of learning. I’ve had to hand him my easiest tasks to do as he can’t do anything else meaning my job on a daily basis is on hard mode for months, and even then he drags a usual 20min task out to 7 hours, misses time deadlines and makes tons of errors. He has only been taught 10% of my job because he’s incapable of grasping the 10% how can I even teach him the rest. The work is just piling up and I’m being paid exactly the same as he is. All this whilst allowing the oaf to “work” from home due to c19. I used to love my job but I now am so stressed, more so than back working alone. Worst part is my workplace once you pass the interview process, unless you actually murder someone whilst on the clock during a full moon, don’t seem to be able to get rid of staff once employed. They even abolished the probation period because it was uwu “stwessful” for new starters. I don’t know what to do, he’s being paid to leach off me and is driving me out of my job
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>>1147229Samefag, I know no one cares but I actually got an interview someplace as an administrative assistant and it went really well, nonnies! I have a second interview with the hiring manager next week, I am nervous but excited. I got the first call back like a day after posted here, this place brings luck kek I wish all the other anons transitioning careers all the luck! Ily!
No. 1154672
>>1151178It comes down to 3 questions:
- what position do you want to work as
- do you have the skills for that position
- can you demonstrate that fact
No. 1154678
>>1153561According to another woman at work he's pretty much always like this but tends to pick certain people to hassle more. His last "favorite" left the company recently and looking back, that's when his behavior around me escalated to these levels.
Idk if I come across as "confident" but I've never had this issue before at other jobs. I always try to be prepared and transparent about my work. I've tried giving him status documents so he can see exactly what I'm working on, but he forgets they exist and just bothers me about it instead.
I literally can't stop thinking about work and how much I hate him. Even if he started acting normally all my trust is gone and he's really under my skin, I know it sounds dramatic but I can barely look at him with a neutral expression.
No. 1154719
>>1154678Yeah, it's him, not you then. I understand how you feel, slightly different example but I had once a manager who had ridiculously unstable temper and shouted everyone on a regular basis. Needless to say, my stomach was in knots around him and I developed insomnia. Who you worked with is an important factor and it affects your mental health. Also I might have projected a bit when I asked you about your self-presentation because even if I do a 100% perfect job, I come across as uncertain and people immediately assume that I did shit.
Well, you have to make the decision of how much this bothers you and if you can let it go or not. Would you be able to find another position similar to this (in regards to location, salary and position)? How long have you worked here and how long did you have your previous position? If leaving doesn't make you look like you're job hopping in your CV and you think you could find a similar job with similar benefits, I'd say go for it.
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After two months of waiting I finally got the work from home job I've always wanted, for a big company, making more money than I've ever made, and with a sign on bonus that covers a lot of things I need paid for.
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Not sure how to ask this. Im a software engineer and ive been working at my first job for a bit over 3 years. I do mostly services, but recently with a bunch of layoffs I have been doing stuff thats not my job at all. Im unhappy and my manager is making me work after work hours and the weekends to get stuff done. I dont think this is ethical especially considering the rest of my team knows absolutely nothing about programming (except one but she tends to be wrong a lot) since they got basic training in India. No hate to any Indian nonnies. Basically I am thinking about quitting but I dont know how to leave since I barely got a promotion and I am also at risk of being fired if I dont finish my current task within the week. This task has been ongoing for a month because my senior team member keeps making me redo it all over again right after approving it…because she cannot make up her mind. It makes ME look bad while she also passively aggressively makes me look bad during meetings. The pay is decent but I am at my limit. I dont even know where to escape at this point. Does anybody know any decent reputable companies to go to? Im a programmer, not IT by the way.
No. 1155751
>>1155673Where do you live, anon? Though typing this out now, I guess that doesn't really matter since there are so many remote tech jobs these days that pay well. I'm so sorry you've been treated so badly at your job and fuck your senior manager for not knowing shit! If I may suggest another alternative to
>>1155684, it's not a terrible idea to quit without having a job lined up IF you have a decent amount of savings AND you're willing to do hardcore interview prep. What's the point of being at a job that pays a lot but gives you so much stress and anxiety? Tech workers right now are so in demand that we can choose to be choosey.
No. 1155763
>>1155752I don't have a lot of knowledge on this subject, but I think you could be some kind of editor, like you edit unpublished books, but you'd have to know how to do that. if you're good with photoshop you could edit photos or be a graphic designer. there's also copywriting. I think medical billing and coding can be remote too but you need a certification for that.
just try going on job sites like indeed and search "remote"
No. 1155783
>>1155673I'm basically just seconding everyone else, but here's some extra input.
>I am also at risk of being fired if I dont finish my current task within the weekDid they explicitly say this to you? If not, they probably can't actually afford to lose you. Start looking for another job now, and secure an offer before putting in your two weeks. You have enough experience that you wouldn't be in a bad spot if you straight-up quit, but generally it'll be easier to land something while you're still employed. (Of course, applying and interviewing while employed is also a pain, but c'est la vie.)
Anyways, the happiest people I know are at smaller companies or at large companies with a very laid-back tech division. Of course, it's also very team-dependent. I know some happy people at Pinterest, American Express, Box, Staples, and various small game studios working on very early gamedev, shovelware, or casino games. Everyone at Facebook hates being alive, people at Amazon are even more miserable, and people at Microsoft either drink the kool-aid or drown in it.
Ask people with similar mindsets as you how they feel though. It's such a meme to talk about how well someone fits with the company culture, since it's so hard to tell if the culture is good and if you mesh with it until you're at a company for several months, but it matters a ton.
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How do I figure out what I want to do in life? My current job has good tuition benefits (covers $25K a year in most fields of study, not just relevant to the job) so I definitely want to utilize it since I only have a GED, but I worry about wasting time and money on something that won't even get me an actual job later.
I wanted to go to school to become a park ranger but now I'm thinking jobs like that might be hard to come by. Still, I want something that will allow me to be outdoors, doing outdoorsy stuff. I'm just not sure what that could be. Any advice or maybe someone has a similar job and could give me tips?
No. 1155956
>>1155812I spent six years in a career I was not enjoying. Morally I felt like I scammed elderly people by cross selling them insurance that 1) isn't really beneficial 2) not mandated by law and the work was exhausting because you were suppose to be honouring insurance policies but still trying to withhold some of it for profit reasons. Felt very scummy. It made me very depressed and my coworkers were also getting drained and would be unpleasant to work with but you couldn't blame them because you were also becoming a husk lol.
I went back to uni to get a degree towards something I would enjoy. It took 6 years of effort and feeling hopeless a lot before I finally got my foot in a new career. It is a massive difference to my psyche. I like what I do. I work longer hours and have to get up early and I'm not even mad about it.
I never knew what I wanted to do at highschool. Thinking about the future stressed me the fuck out that I just ended up in a job. My advice is to think about the processes you enjoy doing from school. Do you think you would be happy inputting data on a computer all day? Would you prefer hospitality? Making codes? Physics, engineering, biology, chemistry. Did you like being in school and showing others how to do things maybe teaching? Maybe Google cv templates and see the skills jobs ask for and what you wouldn't mind doing and think about how to implement that into a job you could work
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Last year I got a new job and thought it would be a great place to be while going to school, but it has been really exhausting working full-time while taking university classes. During this semester I took three classes and it seemed doable until the last couple weeks, and although I have had a few times at work where I could just sit in an office and do my homework it’s not like that anymore. When the classes end I’ll have 96/120 credits, and with some exceptions it’s probably 102/120.
My grades are fine but I feel like my quality of life sucks. There are days where I’m out of the house for 12 hours, I only wash my hair once/twice a week and sometimes wash over a sink if I don’t have time for a shower. One professor really wants me to go into the English major, but even though I’m good at writing business-style I don’t particularly enjoy fiction/poetry/teaching and I only have 50% of the credits towards that degree. As I get closer to reaching the credit goals I’m not sure if this was worth doing but as a woman I know there are limited (good) career opportunities if I don’t have a bachelors.
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>>1155956Thank you for your input nonna. My problem is that the things that I'm interested in do not really translate into well paying jobs and also I could never really commit to one thing that I wanted to do. When I was a kid and up until I was a teenager my dream was to be an illustrator but I was told by people that I'd starve so I gave up on it. The other thing I loved was languages so I became an English major (I'm ESL) but only because I enjoyed it, I didn't have a specific goal with it. From that point on I've been working random jobs, for the most part working as a translator (which I hated much more than I expected), also customer service, content writer, etc.
I'm in analysis paralysis and consider many possibilities to go towards to but I can just never commit to one. I would still very much love to be an illustrator of children's books but I know the competition is insane so it's not worth doing. Before I worked as a translator I thought I would love it and I didn't. I also thought I would be good as a content writer but I wasn't and again, I disliked it. The one thing I'm still considering (and which would actualy pay well) is UX design. I did several courses in it but again, I kept changing my mind about what I really wanted to do so I never made a portfolio. Also I watched some 'in the day of a UX designer' videos on Youtube and I had to realize that it is much more social than I'd want it to be. I think my problem is a mixture of poor self-discipline and being affected too much by other people's opinions and this leads to me not to commit to anything
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Anybody here ever substitute teach? I got hired and did all my paperwork and I just have to take my first assignment but I'm so nervous lmao what did I get myself into
No. 1160619
>>1160511What grade?
I've never been a substitute teacher, but I taught an afterschool class.
Kids will lie to you, and they will very quickly decide whether or not they respect you. Since you're a sub, the odds are stacked against you. Don't be a huge pushover, but don't be a huge dick either. Know what the proper pipeline is for punishing students, so that one student acting up doesn't influence the rest of the students to act up as well. But don't flip your lid too quickly either, or the kids will hate you and think that they'll get in trouble no matter what (even if that's obviously not the case).
From what I understand, most teachers have absolutely 0 faith in subs, so the expectations are hilariously low. Let the kids do their packets, make an honest effort to help kids that have questions, and don't act super disengaged.
>>1157269I personally lean a lot more towards practicality than enjoying my job compared to a lot of nonas in this thread. Doing something you
hate is absolutely soul-destroying, but I think it's fine to do something you're not especially passionate about in order to secure a living. That being said, UX/UI sounds like a really great balance for you, even if the social aspect isn't what you most prefer. I dunno how far you are from being able to enter the field, but if it's something you think you can do and that you'd enjoy well enough, you should definitely go for it.
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Any nonnies use LinkedIn? Do you find it useful in the job field?
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Is it possible to get a fully remote job that is not customer service? Something like data entry or putting up ads for someone?
I mostly see remote jobs that are in IT. I would love something that would enable to be flexible and work from wherever I want but I just have an English degree
No. 1163650
>>1160660Yes, I job hop a lot and probably half the jobs in my life I've gotten through LinkedIn. You have to take it seriously as a project though, have a full profile and post at least a few times a month about your career or industry.
>>1163611Of course, most communications jobs can be fully remote. LinkedIn even has a Remote toggle in job search now.
No. 1163676
>>1160511I sub classes whenever there is a shortage of subs at the school I work in, it’s grades 5-8. A good thing to do is get in the classroom with extra time so you can go over all the notes from the teacher and find documents you need (attendance sheets, phone number list, a copy of what the students are working on). Another sub I work with said that she makes a PowerPoint for the classes, but some teachers make them for their classes so it might not be necessary. The other teachers in the grade/team might be willing to step in and help for a minute if you ask, like if the kids are being too loud. Teachers also like if you leave a note about how the class behaved, what they had difficulty with and naming the students that act really bad.
Also, don’t feel bad but the kids will definitely try to take advantage of you. The teachers I work with say they always do it with me even if I think they are being nice. Kids are acting worse now because of the effects of being home during the pandemic, some of them are really bad at communicating because they don’t feel comfortable opening up around their classmates.
No. 1163698
>>1163664To be honest it's rarely brought up in interviews. But once when I was asked, I just said I go where I can grow and learn the most. A lot of companies have told me I would get training or mentoring and then given me zero investment in my growth, which is a red flag. I am also not afraid of change. So I keep my options open.
I think fewer people have a problem with job hopping these days,so I assume it's not brought up because anyone who cares would have thrown my CV away before the interview stage.
No. 1163796
>>1163698Ah I see. Tbh my previous two jobs only lasted for a couple of months (although I meant to stay longer) and I was a bit surprised that they never brought it up during interviews, you might be right about people not having a problem with it.
And how long were your employments, how long do you stay at one place before moving on?
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anonitas i just did something retarded and need your help.
>currently working as a temp employee until september because a woman is on parental leave.
>think there is potential for me to apply for a full time position at my current workplace but i'm pretty meh about it
>decided to start applying for other jobs last week
>wrote and sent applications to two job positions at different companies last week
>surprisingly got called in for interviews for both of the jobs
>excited for one of them but really do not want the other one
so the retarded thing i did was schedule an interview for a day where i am in another city for the job that i did not want. i only applied for it to see if i was eligible for jobs in that field. my cover letter was quite bad and i did not think i would be called in for an interview.
i am considering sending the people at the unwanted job an email next week and telling them that a relative abroad died and that i can't come to the interview because of the funeral and as a result wish to 'drop out' of the interview process. does this sound plausible?
if i am lucky the job i want offers me a position (my interview with them is before the interview with the unwanted job) and i can tell them that i got another offer.
anyway my question is do you have any other suggestions for lies, if the funeral thing doesn't sound sincere?
No. 1167402
>>1166989I'd advise against it if you're from a western countey and already have a CS degree. From what I can tell, it's not as bad as the other large consulting companies that prey on H1Bs, but you will likely be happier elsewhere.
Disregard reviews on Glassdoor, and look through Reddit instead. Glassdoor is heavily influenced by the huge number of indian people that are grateful for an opportunity to work in tech in the US. Nothing against indians specifically; it's just that coming from a third-world country that holds US tech jobs in incredibly high esteem really affects how they feel about the jobs, regardless of the dumpster fires and office politics and forced relocation and whatever else.
Consulting in general can be fine though. I know a guy at an American consulting company that likes it so much that he hasn't bothered looking for other jobs, even though he's definitely being underpaid.
But it never hurts to apply. Interview practice, competing offers, and more options are always good to have.
No. 1167735
Update, since I'm the anon from
>>1098857 ! I'm going to stick with mortuary science and follow my aspirations (no pun intended). My uncle is still pushing tech onto me unfortunately. I didn't mention this before, but my same age cousin is pursuing CS and I simply do not want to be compared to him. I'm the only female in the generation of my family, and I've always been seen as the dumb bitch compared to my overachieving moid cousins. Internalized misogyny is so strong within asian families, and it's always been a fucking academic competition between us. I'm already getting shit for going to a community college, and my own damn mom is berating me for being "embarrassing" and nudging me all of a sudden to learn household skills like cooking and cleaning. Gee, mom! Thanks for the support! If I choose to go into tech, then I'll be forever compared to him for the rest of my life. I want to do my own thing and screw off. I know I shouldn't care so much about my family's opinions, but that really hit the nail on the coffin for me. I'm not academically prepared for a tech career, and I also don't want to be compared to a scrote for as long as I live. Does anyone get what I'm experiencing? I tried explaining this to my uncle and he's like, "lulz I don't understand, try UX and coding bootcamps on the side!!11111!!!" Like, why do I even try? Fuck you all, I'm going to stay in my funeral home cave and never come out until you guys quit this sexist shit.
No. 1169467
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Finally got another job after impulsively quitting my last one and I might have already fucked it up
>Boss tells me about background check they have to do
>Last few people he hired fucked up and it took weeks for their background check to process
>He tells me he got tired of waiting and is moving on from those people
>I stupidly fuck up my info on the background check (I go by my middle name and I forgot that he had put my middle name as my first name so the name on the background check is now middlename middlename lastname)
>Email background check company, "only your recruiter can fix this"
>Call boss, he tells me he can't fix it
>He probably could but he's a boomer and it's not like I can yell at him about it, I'm the one who fucked up
>He tells me to submit it anyway, I'm able to put my real name as an alternate name so maybe it will work now?
>Background check company sent me an email saying I need to fix something
>When I click the link it says already submitted
>Realize boss is also cc'd, maybe he's the one who submitted it
>Get another email today asking for another signature
>No idea if me or my boss are supposed to fill it out
>Go ahead and get my mom to sign because at this point I have no idea what's going on
>Basically stuck in limbo with no idea if I'm actually going to be able to start work or not because I fucked up an extremely simple background check despite being explicitly warned not to
I want to smash my head against a wall.
No. 1172753
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How/when do you know you're ready to apply for jobs for a position in a different field that you self studied for?
I finished some UX courses and slowly building my portfolio but I just don't feel 'ready' to tackle an actual job. Not sure if this is premature impostor syndrome, low confidence or I actually need to do something before I start applying
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Don't scroll
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bumping for troon posting cp
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Bump bump don’t scroll don’t scroll
No. 1173935
>>1172761I think that's pretty normal for office jobs
>>1172773They haven't made us go back in yet, probably helps alot that the labor market in my field is pretty tight right now. I think if corporate really had their way we would be back full time though
>>1172753Just start applying and see if your resume gets bites, then do the interviews and you'll know if you totally flub their questions or not
No. 1175116
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I'm starting my first job as a software engineer soon and I'm excited but the pay is shit even though there are a lot of other benefits. It's a great opportunity to get into the industry but I'm wondering how long I should stay to get the necessary experience to get another job? I always wanted to leave my city/country and I'd like to stay in this job just long enough to be able to get a new one. So can any developer nonnies tell me how soon they left their first job for a better one or how much experience is needed?
No. 1175226
>>1175116i think it's best that you don't stay too long (like 2.5+ years) but also don't stay too little (less than a year). you need to show that you stayed enough time to know your team and work things out but you didn't want to feel stagnant at your position and that you're ready to get out of your comfort zone by living in another city.
if you're from shithole south america like me, plenty of people got out of here by working remotely for a while and making connections. keep your passport updated and go get em nona, i believe in you and you'll achieve whatever your heart desires
No. 1175381
>>1172322I hate interviews and my job I have to touch people, so any interviews I do involves touching another person. I know I’m really good at my profession but I still get nervous. But honestly, I just kind of fake my way through the process. IMO someone who shows poor confidence really puts me off in ANY situation, and I imagine an interviewer will feel the same. They want someone who is confident even when making a mistake. Because you will make mistakes in your career. It’s how you handle them. They expect mistakes and it’s probably best you make one and show them how you manage through it. But be confident that you can fix it. Don’t fumble and be like “oh im so sorry I didn’t mean to do that”. Brush it off. Don’t even acknowledge it if you can, just fix it and continue.
Don’t worry Nona, you got this
No. 1175850
>>1175116I left mine after 6 months and still found another after being unemployed for a while. Getting an offer while still employed is much easier, too, and you should be able to job hop after just a year without worrying too much. That being said, if you don't hate your job, you should try to stay for two years before leaving so that you don't have to feel pressured to stay at your second job longer if it turns out to be a shit job.
>>1175649Front-End web development is the easiest software dev position. Starting salaries are about as high as for other software roles, but they don't increase to as extreme heights generally.
However, do you think you're suited for programming? Going back to school is a big commitment, and a lot of people end up dropping out of CS, or worse, power through the classes and almost complete a degree before realizing they hate it.
If you don't have any coding experience now, start getting some. Learn the basics of programming from YouTube videos and then go on to do theodinproject.
No. 1176354
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I found out today my coworkers have a group chat and I’m not in it.
I know I’m here to collect a pay check but feels shitty man. I always feel on the outer wherever I work. I try and get along with everyone and no one seems to have an issue with my work per se but I’m rocketed straight back to being in high school.
No. 1176370
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Everyone talks about "climate change" in regards to african farming problems, but it straight up seems to be a malthusian trap.
>Between the 1979 and 2008 population censuses, the number of households in Kamenge neighbourhood in North Bujumbura made an eleven-fold increase. However, this area was never enlarged proportionally, neither on the surface nor in height. In the summer of 2014, Kamenge was one of the three neighborhoods that were the worst hit by a cholera epidemic. Two years earlier, in 2012, Nyakabiga, in the center of Bujumbura, suffered the same epidemic. In almost 20 years of real estate development in Bujumbura, virtually all the land estates cleared by the state to create residential areas have been captured by the most affluent. As a result, decade after decade, the most disadvantaged crowd into the same poor and supersaturated residential areas.
Picture related, Burundi, you can trawl around the country on google maps. The entire country is just a collection of these small sustenance farmlets, the entire country is coated in them.
No. 1176976
>>1176922Which language is it and how widely is it spoken? How useful do you think it is in the job market? If you could use it at your next workplace, I'd say go for it.
If it's really something that you'd do for yourself though and you have the self-discipline to learn it yourself or have the resources to take classes, then skip it completely
No. 1177042
>>1176944Honestly anon, I'm retarded and learn best within a classroom setting. I need the structure kek. It's stupid but I really struggle with learning things on my own and that's just the way I've always been when it comes to anything that isn't physical and hands on.
>>1176976It's Japanese but I don't plan on working at Japanese companies in the future if I can help it.
No. 1178374
>>1178020Depends. Do you want the job? Is the competition high?
I usually spend at least 1-2 hours researching the organisaiton, the inteviewers, and preparing "smart" questions to ask.
No. 1178379
>>1178048I want to challenge you to see it from a different perspective.
If you see interviewing processes as deceitful and your goal is to lie, you will work in companies you don't fit into because you presented yourself as something you are not.
When you are true to yourself in the interview processes, you get jobs in companies where you are a good "culture fit". This usually means you enjoy your time there a bit more.
Note: "be yourself" is only good advice if your true self is not a shitty person kek.
No. 1178384
>>1176665They probably did not add you because they think you would be bored to hear about their kids and shit. (And you would be)
What I am saying is, it is OK (and normal) that this makes you feel sad, BUT their intent was most likely not malicious.
No. 1178387
>>1175116Stay a year and then jump to another position for 20-30% more money.
Sauce: been working in tech for the past 5 years.
No. 1178849
>>1178847I should also mention that I scraped by without doing any of my assigned readings, so I'm not as well-versed in topics like other graduates, nor am I passionate. I am a terrible student and attempted to take on a full course load which forced me to only pay attention to course lectures and mandatory assignments. I ignored the readings so I could juggle all my other courses and pass with an acceptable grade. I feel like I got a shallow surface level understanding of a degree rather than putting in the effort to understand it in-depth like other people.
Lesson learned: take advantage of the resources you have at your disposal when you are in your graduate degree. Make sure you actually do the readings and put in the effort if you want to take advantage of your tuition. Don't be like me who got stressed easily and took on a big course load to graduate faster with shallow knowledge. I say you should try to take as much as you can without sacrificing the quality of your learning. Take 3 courses if you can do all the required readings instead of stressing yourself out with 5 courses and neglecting them.
No. 1178956
>>1178919It's just shitty management, bad managers are like any other bad person in any situation, they're incapable of introspection.
>I have a high staff turnover>No, it's the workers who are wrong! Unless your highest ambition is stacking shelves, mopping floors or moving timber around, they consider you an ungrateful time waster. If someone good dares leave for anything better, they'll spend a good month moping about how they were pumped and dumped by lying employees just looking to get a fill in job. It's always the same types at those companies too
>Chronically depressed middle aged guy who clearly drinks too much, absolutely reviled by the owners>mentally ill woman who breaks down at the slightest thing, becomes middle manager but can't handle it>manchildren that don't shower properly or brush their teeth, best employees but because they put no effort into their appearance they go nowhere>normal people that just come and goThe biggest harbinger of a company that's turning into one of those
toxic companies is the owner becoming geriatric but refusing to retire, everything falls apart around them as they lose their capabilities.
No. 1179717
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So I just got a new job and I'll start next month. They asked for a reference/recommendation letter from my previous workplace where I was literally fired from for making a huge mistake and I'm not sure if they will give me a positive opinion obviously. I got a positive reference letter from an older workplace, but not in the target language I was asked for and I only worked there for 3 months anyway.
What should I do? Should I send them the older one? Or should I try asking someone from my previous job? Also, sould reference letters always be given by a higher-up or could it be a colleague I was in the same team with?
No. 1179760
>>1179717What country are you in? I’m gonna guess not the UK but here you can’t give a bad reference, but you can refuse.
If they want a character reference maybe don’t use them but if it’s just for proof of employment go with it.
Your new place might not mind as long as you’re honest? Good luck anyway
nonny No. 1180137
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Where do you all get your nice business attire? I’m looking for business casual. There’s some work gatherings the next couple of months and wine events at my resort-mostly outdoors. I wear a “uniform” at work so I don’t wear business attire. I’d like to wear a few trendy/casual outfits as there will likely be networking as well. I don’t mind if they’re on the pricier side.
No. 1180371
>>1180137I've been on a hell ride trying to find nice business clothes myself. Personally I've had to be very brand agnostic because while I might find one nicely fitted item from a store the rest of their stuff might not work on me at all. Some places to check out in general are
>J. Crew>Aritzia>Banana Republic/Gap/Old Navy (all under same umbrella)>Brooks Brothers>Express>Asos>Zara>White House Black Market>Ann Taylor>BodenGood luck
No. 1182846
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How does one start out as a UX freelancer? Like obviously you create a portfolio on Dribbbl/Behance and then what? How do you get clients? And let's say you don't have friends or acquaintances who could recommend you to people
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How to reject a job offer in a way that would not close the door of potentially working in that company in the future? "It's not you, it's me"?
No. 1186917
>>1186848I agree with this so much. Once you start opening up about personal stuff, it can and WILL backfire and be used against you. Try to stay as surface level as possible.
>>1186531 Maybe movies or books you like, but never delve into politics or anything like that.
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>Went to second job interview today
>Guy interviewing me made me tense.
>I told him all my qualifications
>So you graduated high school but didnt do anything else?
>Well, i worked immediately after hs. i had no time to go to college.. but i work hard.
>Hmm ok, we can start you at 14/hr
>I asked for 16/hr and they said it was doable
>Hmm they lied, nonnie. Also, we wont pay you for 2 weeks of training
what the fuck are wrong with these companies? They really think i'm gonna say yes. The dude belittled me and made me feel terrible. On top of that, he didn't listen to any of my actual questions for the job. Why should I be grateful?
No. 1188286
>>1188236You'll be able to devote your time looking for a new job now that you don't have to work at your old job, which should relieve you of the stress you were feeling! I get what you mean with those conflicting thoughts, it just gives you more motivation to try your hardest at scoring that new job!
I'm in the same boat (kind of) where I'm working a job I hate and am actively looking for a new one. Sometimes, I just want to quit my job already, but I get scared about the uncertainty that follows.
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Was called by a recruiter yesterday to set up an interview for a job I’ve really want, however I was working and it went to voicemail. I called back this morning and left a message letting him know my interest and I called again before the end of the work day, but didn’t leave a message. Should I call again tomorrow? What should I do if I get his voicemail again? I really don’t want to miss out on this, I need a job so badly right now.
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>>1185096Literally just say no/I've received a better offer elsewhere/that's not enough for me to leave my current position
You are just a number, the moment you decline they will call their #2 choice and offer it to them and forget you exist
No. 1188484
>>1188236I did the same thing last month
nonnie. Just be prepared to make looking for jobs your new job but also find a balance as to not get discouraged and give yourself a break. Also be sure to apply to everything, even if you don’t 100% match the job description. Best of luck in your search!
No. 1188530
>>1188493Did you have to learn more skills as you job hopped? Like new coding languages, etc?
Ty for sharing btw like it's very helpful.
No. 1188535
>>1188510$125k base currently
I quit a cushy job for a much harder, remote job pre-covid so I could move to Texas and get back together with my ex (broke up because didn't want to do LDR, appeared to both regret it, talked about it for months) and got rug pulled literally the next day. I regret that a lot.
>>1188530Yeah I learn shit all the time, and continue to get better at the things I already know. I am good at what I do. The further into my career I go tho the less the hard skills matter and the more important the soft skills become. Getting people to get shit done, communicating with my teams, manipulating clients into asking for the thing they actually want instead of what they think they want, etc.
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>>1188468Posts like these make me regret studying engineering but also motivate me to switch into software kek
No. 1189240
>>1189237Why not? I love seeing a
nonny winning.
No. 1189244
>>1189240Nta, but I don't like
humblebragging, it's so slimy. Ew.
I love and encourage real bragging though. Like this
>>>/g/69322 No. 1189340
>>1189297What
>>1189333 says kek. I mean I had a coworker who did not have work experience until her mid 30s. She finished college, then had 3 kids, then was a stay at home mom until the kids grew up then decided to go back to work. She was the export manager at the company I worked at
No. 1194208
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kinda having a mental breakdown over the fact that I have a "career" job now and it's literally all over any hopes and dreams and aspirations down the drain because from now on I am forced to spend half of my day (8.5 hours or 9.5 when in office) every day no matter what at this job and beg for a few days off each year and wait for the weekend like a little slave only to do nothing with my free time because I am so drained from work, not working on any personal projects because no energy and just watching the days go by indistinguishable from one another like this is really it. Maybe I'm overreacting and sorry for being a party pooper in between all the good advice in this thread nonnies but this all just seems really bleak
No. 1194255
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>>1152855I was so overly happy here, that job literally never got back to me. I reached out and never got anything back still. Anyway, I'm back to another food service job. Owner is nice, at least, but the hours are weird. 12 hours daily for 4 days but then I get 3 days straight off each week. Kind of good, kind of bad lol but at least the pay is much better. He hired me for 18/hr only to boost it to 20/hr before my first week even finished because he liked my work. Restaurant is on a trendy street with a ton of restaurants and stores, too, so I get to choose from countless places for my lunch break to hang out. The fact he even gives a 45 minute break for all employees is insane - even when I worked in fine dining, cooks were never able to take breaks. Its so normalized in the food industry to work without breaks that it's genuinely surprising to find a place that actively tells people "hey it's time for your break". My feet hurt so badly by the end of the shifts, though. I've worked 12 hour shifts before but never this many in a row. And the two other cooks are very nice but speak another language nearly 100% of the time and so I mostly have no one to take to in the kitchen. It's an open kitchen, too, which is gross because I've already seen moids staring at me while I cook, just mouth breathing. I really desperately want out of the food industry, it's so draining physically and mentally. Maybe someday I'll be free, nonnies.
No. 1194315
>>1194304Comfortably 800-1000
Scraping by 600 but I'm on my own so no roommate or family to rely on
No. 1194367
>>1194304I'm in the capital of a state nobody cares about in the Northeast USA and average expenses are at least 600, with my bills split with my partner. Rent + electricity + gas + internet + phone. And I found the cheapest shoebox apartment I could find
that allowed cats. It really depends on what state and what kind of city you will be living in. A good rule of thumb is you should be making, at the very very least, 1.5 times what your bare minimum bills come out to. Technically making 2 times puts you in a safer position, at least 1.5 times. You also have to buy food, toiletries, paper products, etc as well as either pay gas or pay for public transport.
No. 1194402
>>1194367>>1194320>>1194315Ty nonas
It sucks because I'm getting a little above minimum wage where I am (11.50 an hour) and they're cutting hours for our store. I'm debating getting another job or leaving all together.
I'm trying my best to scrounge up every bit of money I have to save.
My groceries for myself are about 60 bucks for one trip once a week,
I don't even get takeout or go drinking or anything. I have a gym membership that cost like $25 a month for my entertainment. I fill up gas maybe twice a month and that cost $35 now, thankfully my car is used and paid off so no car note. My phone and internet are on a family plan, though I could survive without streaming and stuff.
Rent for the BAREST minimum place is about $500 a month here, not even in a good part of town. I don't know if I want to stay here, I could move a little out the city for cheaper but then I'd have to drive further for work which I hate and also cost gas. I just feel so trapped, not having enough to leave but staying means I won't be able to have enough, sorry for the blog.
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i have two job interviews tomorrow and i'm nervous because i'm terrible at interviews. i have work experience from two well-known companies in my country, but i got hired at the companies after having two internships orchestrated by my uni.
as a measure to not act like a turbo autist tomorrow i've spent the last three days binge watching job interview channels on youtube. nonas i swear, the people in these vids are on uppers. their flavour of unhinged is something i have yet to witness in real life.. some of their advice is helpful though.
i have grown quite fond of this artificial live action mr clean looking freak.. i'm mesmerised by the unnatural way he speaks and his strange body language, especially his hand postures.
No. 1195438
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Why do dumbass recruiters keep hitting me up on LinkedIn over and over, then when I finally concede to a phone meeting they act like I’ve wasted their time for not having the “right” overly specific experience
You’re clearly not even looking at my resume ir profile and you’re wasting my time bothering me about a job you can’t fill because you want a unicorn for your shitty startup with like 25 open positions. Fuck off. I really need another job or id turn off InMail altogether.
No. 1195773
>>1195438I turned off InMail right around when the Great Recession/Resignation/Awakening happened and nothing of value was lost. Jobs worth applying for aren't going to have a recruiter so desperate they're resorting to InMail attached to it. That's usually some god awful startup shit or ancient company that is miraculously still operating despite being behind the times in everything. Do it and don't look back.
>>1195511SWE = Software engineer
She's saying she wishes the software engineer salaries in her country were as high as the US salaries.
No. 1196233
>>1196193Like the government mail service or a private mail service? I've heard mail jobs can be great jobs because, despite how physically taxing they are, they tend to offer great benefits and great pay/raises. I hope it doesn't suck the life out of you,
nonnie, it could be a great opportunity! I wish you well!
No. 1198764
>>1197598>experience will bring along confidenceYes to this! I've had so many different jobs, and it's always the same– in the beginning, you're so nervous and feel out of place, but after a month or two you're pretty much a pro. You'll do great anon!
>>1198179Definitely go for the courthouse clerk job. Don't let this opportunity pass you by. It'll be hard but rewarding. Getting out of retail/food service was the best thing I've ever did.
>>1198375Try non-profits like museums, they're always in need for volunteer work
No. 1198815
>>1198813Do you think you'll ever run into anyone who works there again or want to work there in the future?
I would say go for it even though you know you're going to quit. They may like you so much they'll keep you part time. And don't feel bad about it. They could end up hiring someone else who could also quit in three months time. Take your opportunity. You can also say you thought you would be able to handle a full time schedule and quit.
No. 1199123
>>1199033It would lead to an administrative job or something related. I know I won't get any law related position as these mostly need a degree. You can also transfer to any other municipal agencies. I've been thinking about getting a certificate in archival studies and working for the city already would be great. The process takes around a month and half to be hired so if I get the retail job and actually hate it I'd just take the clerk job.
My old assistant manager whom is also a good friend works for the company but at another location and she will put in a good word for me. I am very confident about that one if I only go by my work experience. My old job was at a thrift store so I know the drill and she said they use the same system as we did.
No. 1201103
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Is it a red flag if the manager who conducts the job interview with refuses to turn on their webcam, because 'their room is messy'? I talked almost for an hour to her initials and it felt so stupid talking to an icon. Picrel is just an example, not her actual initials
No. 1202332
>>1201438Thanks nona. I agree about the male part. I definitely wouldn’t meet with a moid manager- at least not just one on one. A couple of the coworkers I occasionally hang out with are male but there’s other females there too. I know better. It doesn’t take much for moids to think you’re interested in them and I’m really friendly so it just makes things worse when it’s one on one.
I think I’ll invite her for a drink next week. Hopefully it’ll be a good time. I think we will get along great as we mesh really well at work.
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I'm curious, what was the work culture like in your workplaces? My experiences were really varied so far:
1st workplace: managers came into the office only to flirt or just to watch over us while we work, but there were no consequences of making mistakes, they generally shat on everything. Everyone was SUPER gossipy. Coworkers were nice to your face but when they thought you were not listening, they talked nasty shit about you behind your back. Management didn't want to let us work from home when the pandemic hit because they were sure that we wouldn't work, while they themselves were working from home. One of the managers was a massive oversharer and talked to me about everything from his wife's postpartum body to his sexual prefrences.
2nd workplace: post communist, autocratic nightmare. Managers (wife & husband duo) were MASSIVE narcissists. Emotional outbreaks, screaming, shouting and of course gossiping were common. Working overtime was the norm and if you dared to stand up from your desk before 6pm you received disapproving stares. The manager ridiculed the people who worked in my position before me during lunchtime and after I was fired I learned that every person who came after me was also fired after their probation period. A psychology PhD could have been written about every person in the management team (the wife of the management team was a condescending bitch and only respected people who behaved like her). Needless to say, I cried a lot, developed insomnia and had a lot of stomach cramps while working here.
3rd workplace: flat company structure, everyone's equal, 'we're a family' mentality. 'Work buddy' system. Lot of (slightly too much for me tbh) emphasis on befriending coworkers and having to be each others friend and talking about our feelings. Flexible time management and individual responsibility was emphasized. LOT of meetings. Like, A LOT. Long coffee breaks. Everyone was genuinely very very nice.
No. 1205300
>>1204141I've worked at 2 tech startups so far.
1st workplace: very small but diverse team, project/company manager was very inexperienced and we had so many meetings. Half of dev time were spent in meetings, it caused us to push the deadline so many times. Depite the team being tiny, 2 people felt like acting like executives, kept the company 'backend' happenings from the rest of us. We made a product after 2 years, and the company was immediately shut down by said manager for no real reason.
2nd workplace: bigger team, CEOs have no idea about software dev but trust us greatly. Remote working, so I've met these people once so far irl. Very chill, we are trusted to do our work, have one weekly catch up meeting and a sprint meeting normally every 2 weeks. Lots of updates of what's going on with the company.
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Should I take a job that is closer and pays more but the hours a bit weird (2pm to 10pm) or a job that is really far and pays less but the hours are mornings only? I am racking my brain, nonnies
The far away job is also a small start up company that only last week included PTO to their payroll. They don't have health insurance or benefits like 401k yet.
No. 1206654
>>1206136yes. 100%. I have been in and out of call centers constantly since 2011 and not a single one of them has NOT made me feel suicidal at some point. I'm fortunate to be out of them for now, but I wasted so many years in there. I did my time in both inbound and outbound. I have done tech support, insurance policies, customer service, sales, and political surveys.
Get the fuck out of there for good as soon as you can. You might think you can hack it, but I promise you, with how you feel now, it does not get better and it is not worth it. It goes nowhere, and they would replace you tomorrow if you dropped dead right now.
You are not weak. Call centers are fucking awful, and they micromanage and abuse employees. If you are already dealing with mental illness like depression or anxiety, call center work exacerbates it.
Depending on what you are doing, you may end up having to deliver terrible, terrible news to a customer that will ruin their day/week/year/whatever. I've had a girl screaming, threaten suicide at me on the phone over a $100 credit card authorization before. I understand she likely had a lot more going on in the background, but it still fucking sucks to be put in that position, and I still think about her regularly because there was nothing I could do to help her, and I have no idea what happened.
The only people who do well in call centers and manage to still appear happy at them are bootlickers, workaholics, masochists, or fucking psychos. Get out of there.
No. 1206964
>>1206136You're not weak. Worked two years in a call center where we were also solving insurance claims on the side. Try doing a complicated task of deciding someone's cancer is bad enough to warrant a payout while being constantly interrupted by angry phone calls and screaming customers. I had my life's first mental breakdown while on this job.
Ironically I have an interview for tomorrow for another call center job, kek. It's been 6 months since I quit my previous one after my hair started falling out in chunks. I guess in the haze of being unemployed I forgot how bad it was, but thanks to you I think I'm gonna politely decline their job offer if they give it to me.
I never again want to hear someone tell me that they googled my name and found my family's home address with the intention to "teach me a lesson", or have the same boring and soul-crushing conversation over and over because customers are either psychopaths or plain stupid.
All in all, you're doing great, nonna, and I hope you find something better.
No. 1210573
>>1210375Get a summer internship. You can probably still find places hiring at the very last minute. This is the best thing you can do. Literally work on your resume and start applying as soon as you finish reading this comment.
Otherwise, you're not fucked, but unless the school you went to is known to have a good CS program (top 20 or so), you'll have trouble finding a
good job without much experience. Large companies like to do affirmative action hiring with entry level people, which could help a lot, but there's still a large pool of competitive female applicants with more concrete experience.
If you can't secure yourself an internship, consider making a webapp or doing theodinproject or something.
>>1210521ime even with affirmative action, gamedev is harder to get into than other software dev positions. This is largely because entry level gamedev is just SO competitive compared to entry level software engineering. The only gamedev internships or jobs for fresh grads I tend to see are at companies that are pretty well-established, of which there aren't that many. If nona doesn't already have some gamedev experience (or interest in gamedev), I wouldn't suggest starting down this path.
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I'm starting to dislike some of my coworkers. One of them is incompetent, is super slow in her work because she's too busy having completely pointless, repetitive "meetings" with her clients just to give them updates (just saying she barely did anything, basically), and now that she's super late and our deadline is june 30th I have to do some of her work on top of mine because I'm doing my own job well so far. And then she complains about working overtime despite nobody ever forcing her to do that. I managed to do a much better job than her despite barely working overtime because I'm actually focused on my job, I know what to do and I don't take 3 smoke breaks per day (at the very least). And then she complains about how we're not paid enough for our work but she got a small raise she did not deserve and I didn't, just because she "participated" more in our weekly meetings, as in, she was asking more pointless questions than others. The other people who got that raise actually had excellent results. She's a pussy and has that annoying victim complex that I can't stand anymore. She wants a higher wage even though she can't speak English which makes her useless with tons of clients, and she barely graduated. I want a higher wage too but she needs to be realistic and try to pay off her debts first because she doesn't know how to manage her own money.
There's another coworker who's just plain annoying because he half-asses his job, complains all the time, and once another team in our company was sick of always asking him to update some basic stuff in our software and correct his extremely important emails and legal documents and sent him an email to call him "incompetent" because he was putting them in some deep shit, and while it's a bit excessive, the guy can barely string a coherent sentence in out language, comes to me all the time and interrupts me to help him with extremely basic shit and yells in the office all the time because he thinks he's allowed to just because he's a flamboyant black gay guy. Some of th coworkers I didn't like already left, good riddance.
One guy I don't directly work with but who's in our office always tries to make me go to the bar once a week after work and he always insists because he probably thinks I'm shy and introverted and needs company. He's nice but it's getting annoying as fuck because I don't drink alcohol so I don't get the point at all, but he insists I should try non-alcoholic cocktails despite me just wanting to go the fuck home.
I like my manager (for once) but she sometimes tries too hard to make all of us feel invested in the team and the company. A former coworker used to be a sports coach so our manager wanted her to make us work out for a few minutes before every weekly meeting and it made me die a little inside. She asked a new coworker who's a former life coach to make us meditate instead, now that the sports girl left. She asked if we were available this weekend to go hiking because of some sports challenge the whole company/group is doing right now, and I refused but god I wish she didn't ask to begin with. I'm starting to think working from home is truly a blessing, even if I have a harder time focusing at home. God I need some paid leave right fucking now.
No. 1211589
>>1211324Yeah, it's been legal in my state for a while and all the states surrounding me. I just wish they told me this so I could avoid wasting my time. I have a second job in my back pocket, so if I don't get this one, it won't be the worst, but it will suck. I hate places that drug test so much. Thank you btw,
nonnie.
No. 1213307
>>1210521not sure since I have never attempted game programming before but I assume it's not too hard to learn
>>1210573all the summer internships I found that are open are only available to highschoolers and/or college first/second years
for some reason most specify they don't want people in their last year of college which I am so I can't seem to get in anywhere
yeah I was looking into the odin project and I know html/css isn't in huge demand but I've been working on coding my own website too so I'll have to focus on personal projects instead of internships I guess
>>1210579>>1210580thanks nonna I'm not really that picky I just want something that pays the bills while also not being absolutely awful to work for
I don't mind starting at a lower salary as entry level and working my way up as I get experience, though as I told the other anon I can't get an internship so I'll have to go the building a good portfolio route
No. 1213498
>>1213307>for some reason most specify they don't want people in their last year of college which I am so I can't seem to get in anywhere This phrasing assumes that you didn't wait until after the end of the spring semester to apply to summer internships.
They're not offering internships to people who are are graduating this/last month, since most companies instead just offer these graduates full-time jobs. The summer preceding your final year of college is when you're most likely to secure an internship, though you might have missed your chance. Still, do another look through and see if you can find anything. You will learn
so much at an internship, and you will get
paid to learn it. It's usually harder to get a full-time job offer than an internship, since you'll be competing with hordes of bootcampers and people doing career changes. Luckily there's often positions specifically for fresh uni grads which remedies this somewhat, but it's still tough compared to finding an internship while doing a CS degree.
Also, TheOdinProject is primarily for teaching full stack webdev with JavaScript, which is very much in high demand, unlike html/css alone. So either do that or incorporate significant amounts of JavaScript into your personal website. It'll help you get hired, and it'll serve as a very good foundation. It sucks to start a tech job without much experience, so you should try to get as much as you can this summer.
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Long rant incoming. How do I deal with doing a task at work that feels too difficult and help is scarce?
I was tasked with creating a demonstration of various different products we offer for the sales department to use in meeting with new clients. A colleague gave me a list with information of how she wanted each product to be presented, but some of the language is vague and some of the software I'm supposed to use I haven't even touched before. She gave me the name of a colleague who can help me, but implied that she's extremely busy and might not answer right away. Feeling overwhelmed, I asked if we could have a short meeting just to clarify a few things I didn't understand in the list. She told me no and referred me to the other colleague instead, who hasn't even seen the list. When I talked to her, she started springing information on me about the products that was completely new and not what I had been told previously. It seems they both have different impressions on what the demonstrations should look like, on a technical level that I'm not on. The first product is to be presented this thursday, and I have no idea if I'm doing anything right.
No. 1215150
>>1215141Thank you! I shall do that first thing tomorrow, the wording you presented really helped.
Unfortunately I did ask for examples of how this has been done before, but due to some security reasons they couldn't give me access to earlier demonstrations of this kind, so I'm fumbling a bit in the dark. Hope it clears up, if not I shall just take responsibility for any potential mistakes .
No. 1216337
>>1216242I'm in the same boat anon - After just leaving a job where I was working non-stop (to the point of missing breaks and doing overtime) I am just relishing having nothing to do for hours so I'd say find a hobby you can do to look busy at your computer if you are in an office. As long as you are getting the work set out done don't worry.
I've picked up learning a language and exploring history I'm interested in. I often save work or emails for when I know my boss or other colleagues will be watching me but then all the other time I just relax. Take this as a win cause you could easily be in a job that's 10 times worse.
No. 1220666
>>1216489yeah, type it into youtube "Female truck drivers" and you get results.
It's physically demanding. Along with Mentally demanding.
Learn to stick up for yourself. The men will look down at you.
Knowledge of a truck, maintenance and whatnot is key and must be checked thoroughly.
You may bring a pet, preferably a dog with you for companionship.(best to ask the company you work for)
Know that if you drive in snowy conditions, the margin for error increases.
Walmart pays the best (yes) but it's hard to get in with them as a truck driver and you have to have a very clean record.
if you don't drive say, a regular 2-4 door truck, nonna, try that out first before an actual rig.
You need a special license and some companies offer training.
Some companies have their own trucks for you. Others don't. Walmart has there own trucks. While you could end up with a company that has you shipping food to a generic grocery store and a big box store next.
The pay can be amazing. But it can take a while to get there. One guy makes 4k a week. Starting out is often less.
You can either get paid by the mile or a standard rate (last I checked and depends on who)
Stay safe as a female and keep yourself protected.
You can have your own personal truck for jobs, they cost A LOT. People have a little bed and a microwave in their truck.
Watch Niesha K on youtube as she has a pros and cons video that goes in-depth on her experience and just in general.
great job if you like being alone. If you don't want to deal with coworkers often. You save money as your main bills will be groceries unless you are also paying for bills back home.
Make sure you get with a good company as they can compensate you. Hotel rooms when your truck is getting fixed.
Get a rewards card as it can pay for showers.
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>go to college like parents told you to get STEM degree to avoid getting trapped in the restaurant grind like whole family
>search for jobs whole senior year while working in field
>get trapped in restaurants anyway after graduation
>looking for work in my degree field makes me want to puke after a year and a half of constant rejections and ghostings
Sad thing is I'm fucking exhausted but I'm making the most money I've made in my life
No. 1224633
>>1213498sorry super late reply I forgot to check the thread
unfortunately I cannot get into any internships
I'll definitely grind thru odin project and try and add some javascript projects to my github
I've still got one year left until getting my degree so that should be enough time to build up my portfolio
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I have the opportunity to work in vending for Electric Forest, I have never been to a venue over like 150 max much less 50,000. It'll be camping too and I have no gear but can come up with some, I have 1 friend that'd be going with me looking out. I’m nervous but does anyone think I should just go for it? Im directionally challenged so I’m scared to get lost or just burn out with all those people. I do enjoy the music though idk I need to make a decision and I can’t please help
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>>1227513Thank you,
nonnie! It is so confusing, because I should be happy and relieved after my exams, but I've just been crying non-stop since.
No. 1227799
>>1227325I get overwhelmed in overly stimulating places like this so I just stick to a small area and familiarize myself with it. Look for landmarks that won’t move and are rememberable. Take photos too. It won’t look that weird or out of place to take photos/video of your surroundings.
I agree also about ear plugs or those noise cancelling headphones. Might help when you’re walking around and trying to focus on where you’re going. I say do it!
No. 1229482
>>1065122been a while… what happened with the job? can i ask what type of polygraph it was? i have indirect experience with polys i know law enforcement usually does character based exams like if you do drugs or if you gamble etc. and those are total bs because your results can be influenced by factors totally out of your control like how the examiner was feeling that day or if they just didnt like how you looked. and the messed up thing is that the employing agency usually does put much more weight on them that they should i guess its a risk management thing. if there is any uncertainty from the results its safer to just drop the applicant. these are very stressful and borderline unethical tests so dont feel bad if it cost you the spot. just keep trying
nonny.
No. 1229493
>>1207616I know this is an old post, but whereever you are,
nonnie, I hope you are doing well. It's hard to leave jobs you love, but at the end of the day, getting paid well and respect/sense of purpose are what matter. I hope the next job you get pays and treats you better!
No. 1229541
Alright, I’ve been in a weird job situation for a while and need validation that it was ok to not give two weeks.
I work in IT during the academic year at the university I went to undergrad at while I’m working on my masters at another close by school. In the summer I always find myself scrambling to make rent and bills, I planned ahead this year and saved like hell to be able to live through the summer comfortably while the school doesn’t need me. Well… with inflation (and a sudden raise in my rent price) I had to find a part time job. I went back to an undisclosed Italian restraint chain I had work at years ago. Years ago it was a good experience and never really had a problem with management or the understanding that I am a student. This time, within a month, I had been yelled at by managers on multiple occasions for not having open availability. (I’m working at a internship, required by school, and doing some summer classes.) I only need like 15 a week waiting tables to make up rent and bills. The aggregation of restaurants and customers isn’t worth working more then I need. Anyways, got a nasty voice mail the other day that they needed someone to work and to call them back. I did, told them no and told them I quit. Hung up.
That same day, I found a job at a small mom and pop shop across from my apartment building. In the same town as my undergrad school where I have my IT job. (Small town, maybe 400 students where I went to undergrad, important detail.) The owners had seen me around for years, knew I went to school there. They gave me a sweet deal of 15 hours a week doing some stock and helping with their social media with above minimum wage compensation. Although I feel a little bad not giving a two weeks at the bad job, I’m glad I left and found something nice.
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Just had my first month review with my manager and it was an 80/20 split of positive/general feedback and criticism but my brain is zeroing in on the criticism and I feel like a complete failure. My manager is super understanding and I know she wants me to succeed so we can achieve together but it feels like she’s the only one. My boss pulled me away from something I was focused on to lecture me about a contract system I wasn’t familiar with and when we were done he went behind my back and told my manager that I seemed disinterested and like I didn’t want to be there, even though I asked questions and reread the material he gave me in front of him. How is that kind of feedback productive in any way? I almost hope that by the end of my trial they let me go because at this point I’m willing to take my chances back on the job market instead spend a year or more with these same people. I just have to remind myself that no one died because of my mistake and hope that next week will be better than this one.
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I'm 21, been working dead end retail for a while because I'm not sure what to do with my life but I do know I vaguely want to go into something tech related. My bf has a cushy WFH job doing app development/server maintenance. I've been watching him work recently and it's completely beyond my understanding tbh… Like even when he explains his process and shows me his code I find it interesting but can't keep up sometimes kek. It's giving me doubts on whether I would ever be capable of a job like that.
I'm split on whether I should go to college for a CS degree and try for something similar (both of us working full remote is an absolute dream) or do some self study for IT certs and do the helpdesk grind until I can move up to something better, or even focusing more on computer hardware repair since that's what I'm most comfortable and experienced in, even though that's obviously something I could never do remotely. The cost of college wouldn't be too big of an issue but I'd still hate to waste all that money and end up being too retarded to get a job in that field. Sorry I guess this is more of a career related vent but I just feel stuck at a crossroads right now and unsure of where to go from here
No. 1238020
>>1237930YAY!!! congrats
nonny! That's amazing, enjoy your new job and polo sweets
No. 1239797
The 20-to-30-somethings in my department seem way too invested in hanging out with each other outside of work. They have a groupchat, sure, but they also do monthly birthday lunches, organize games of racketball on a near-monthly basis, have get-togethers at their houses, etc. The ones I don't work with are weirdly friendly to me in that gushing American sort of way, which weirds me the fuck out considering I don't know them. One lady messaged me on the company IM service asking if I would like to be added to their groupchat (on another, non-company-controlled app), and then proceeded to try to have a conversation with me over IM in the middle of a workday. I have never met this person and I don't think I ever will in a work-related context. Is this normal for corporate? It's very distracting when someone keeps popping by my cubicle to introduce themselves (especially when they ambush me with a gaggle of new hires), I get an email about some group lunch thing I don't care about, someone IMs me inane shit, or even when they're all in the office and I can hear them yucking it up from several rows away. I'm literally just here to learn skills, do my job, and collect a paycheck, and it pisses me off that people I don't even work with are trying to get in the way of that in the name of friendliness or whatever the fuck just because I'm roughly their age.
No. 1243717
>>1239797gross anon. i am lucky in that i get along really well with my coworkers but they don't care if people don't go to the parties and stuff, plus most of the coworkers on my shift are older than me so we don't "have" to hang out anyway. the people my age are chill too and dont expect more than workplace socializing or the occasional funny text.
i had a coworker who fortunately for me moved to another state, she was insistent on being my best friend and wanted to go out and do stuff all the time. and text all the time. if i didnt text her back she would get offended. it was so fucking stressful i even told her i needed her to not expect me to text all the time and she would claim to "not care" except she really did and really got offended by me doing it. ugh fuck weirdos like that
No. 1243865
>>1239797I relate to this so much, I'm convinced you work at my company, nonna. I'm in my mid 20s and moved into a mid-size, boring city for a job a year ago and this stuff happened at my workplace too. I noticed a lot of people can get kinda bored and want to have a social circle outside of work since we live in a pretty cliquey southern US city where everyone grew up with one another and we're all from different places.
I participated for about a year until I realized I was only with these people for convenience and not because we had anything genuinely in common. They also talk a lot of shit about one another behind one another's backs, complain about their jobs, and act like they know "insider info" about company news/gossip even though they don't know anything. I'm genuinely friends with one girl in that circle now; I moved to a bigger city an hour away a few weeks ago, and even though I have a longer commute I'm so happy I've distanced myself from those people. It's given me time to interact with other people at work who I genuinely like.
So yeah, I'm rambling but those people are bad news. I learned the hard way. Only hang out with people you genuinely like and don't get involved in those groups. Too much drama and someone is gonna end up getting fired eventually.
No. 1243884
>>1239797Burger here- I don’t work for a corp but I do work for a large family-owned business of around 200/300 employees. It’s not uncommon for us to hang out or get together(usually within our department) after work for a drink or a social event with live music and a food truck. At work we keep it professional and don’t really chat about it. Again- it’s a family business so the owners reputation is on the line. They would have no tolerance for that obnoxious shit and you’d get the axe.
We are also in a group chat but it’s more work related; sometimes it deviates to personal stuff but nothing too personal.
What you described sounds a bit aggressive and bordering unprofessional. I get that working all day 5 days a week sucks, but you’re not in college anymore.
No. 1248038
>>1247392The staff recruiter really liked my resume and is passing it onto the HR head and is hoping to get me in for an interview next week. She said the 50k salary I'm looking for is within their budget too. Nonas I really want this job, please pray for me! It's an admin position with an absolutely massive media company, so at the very least I'll get to have that name on my resume. I just want to go back to mindless admin work, it's what I like to do. It's not particularly difficult but it's something to keep myself busy and I don't have to give too much of myself emotionally, mentally, or physically. I don't need a job that fulfills my soul, I have a life outside of work for that, I just need something easy and pays well.
50k still seems low but my current salary is only 35k so… I'd really like it kek. I graduated 5 years ago, I'm ready to make some big girl wages.
No. 1252953
>>1252945Can you be a bit more specific? For example my former government job was very accommodating and hired many people with disabilities, even blind. But a small family owned boutique or something wouldn't have either corporate or governmental pressure or incentive to be inclusive.
Overall its hard to tell since even without disabilities, it can be a struggle getting responses.
No. 1252962
>>1252953That's good to know. I might just be paranoid, but I'm not sure.
I do have a physical disability that needs some pretty extreme accommodations and would need to be WFH so I've been hesitant to even try.
Before that though, I had concerns with mental health issues and autism. I would try to hide it well during interviews but I felt like they could tell anyway. I've had interviews notice I was a bit 'off' and straight up said to me that they felt the job I was interviewing for would be too much for 'someone like me'. Not even joking.
Or for example, I wanted to interview for a file clerk position at an organization for helping the mentally ill. When they asked why I'd be good for the job, I mentioned something about being sympathetic or having experience with mental health and they kind of questioned me on it, which took me aback a bit because I didn't really want to admit I had firsthand experience in case they would discriminate, but ended up doing so. I felt that it cost me a chance there since I didn't get the job.
I guess with that said, physical and visible disabilities might be a bit different from invisible or mental health ones.
No. 1253026
>>1252962Generally prospective employers will discriminate if they can get away with it, but it depends on the company, job, and disability.
>I mentioned something about being sympathetic or having experience with mental healthNEVER do this again, omg. You can be upfront about having a physical disability that requires special accommodations (you could probably avoid even bringing that up the only accommodation that they'd be responsible for is that you have to wfh, if it's a wfh role), but never ever ever mention that you have mental health issues during an interview. Don't even bring it up at work unless you absolutely have to or it's an extremely open environment. To them that translates to "this person is a huge risk to take on and will be a pain in the ass to fire".
If you need extreme accommodations then I'd ask communities related to your disability if there are any programs or nonprofits that hook people up with appropriate jobs.
No. 1253042
>>1253034Generally it's good practice to bullshit about how much you love the company's mission too, but not by communicating that you're a liability in the process lol
This is great advice, though.
No. 1253062
>>1253026Yeah I definitely got that idea, that mental health would be more discriminated vs physical disabilities. Ah well. I thought it might be safe as
>>1253042 said since it sort of related to their mission. At the time too I didn't necessarily need accommodations (this was before my physical disability for what it's worth), and wasn't planning to mention it really, I just didn't really know what to say when the question came up. I was also planning to become a psych student at the time, so I was trying to convey that it would have directly related to my studies along with being understanding and having experience and so it just kind of brought me into a corner. I was never good at interviews kek. Oops.
As far as my current issue goes I'd need accommodation for both WFH and communication needs so I feel like that'd be too much for them to take on, and they'd just filter me out in favor of someone more capable and not as needy anyway.
No. 1253109
>>1253061Hope you aced it!
>>1253062Don't beat yourself up too hard about it, even the most successful people botch one interview. Seriously though- never imply that you suffer from mental health issues during an interview.
>As far as my current issue goes I'd need accommodation for both WFH and communication needs A lot of employers wouldn't discriminate just over a WFH request, but communication accommodation might be more tricky depending on what they are. You definitely shouldn't stop applying, though! I also wouldn't be surprised if there are people out there who've shared application/interview-related tips regarding your communication needs too- you should really try to look for them.
No. 1253308
>>1253102>>1253109Thank you nonas! This was the first interview, with the head of HR, and I don't want to toot my own horn but she seemed to
really like my answers, always saying "I like that thinking" and similar. If she likes me as much as I hope she does, I'll be meeting with two of my potential supervisors. And if I pass then, I'll meet with the final boss (who I'd also be directly working with). It's only the beginning but I think after years of hopping from job to job I'm quite good at interviews. Fingers crossed!
No. 1254310
I'm starting to feel guilty about looking to leave my job, because my supervisor is a nice guy (aside from this one time he pulled some shit that I'm honestly still holding a grudge about kek) and I have a lot of freedom to work from home whenever I want (I come into the office everyday otherwise and choose to do so out of my own volition) and sooo much downtime. It's a comfy office job and I get my own laptop and a workphone that I can use for whatever I want (I mainly use it for the camera for dog pics kek). Our health insurance got switched so it's not as good as before but still pretty good. But the overtime is pissing me off and it's starting to eat into time for friends and family. "Hey nona! Can you hang out on XYZ date?" "Yes but I need to let you know that I might have to stay late at work and might not be able to make it that day" is a constant now. More than being a flake, I don't want to sacrifice time with my friends and family. That's why we make plans in advance! But I do not find out if I'm doing overtime until the day before or the day of. I know my job is so much more comfy and easy than many other places, and I used to work retail so the overtime I do now I know is nothing compared to back then. But fuck, I hate it. My boss used to respect my work/life balance, and never have I pussyfooted around how much I prioritize it, but now I'm being expected to constantly give up my plans because of some last minute meeting that was called that I have to attend.
The biggest factor of it all is that my salary sucks. At least I'm paid overtime, but my base salary is only a smidge above minimum wage. It's more than the company was willing to pay in the first place, but fuck. I took it to escape my last job that was hell (and the pay rate was about the same anyway, actually a tiny bit less and was hourly). I can never move out of my parents on my salary. I can never move up in the company because there is nowhere to go. My coworker, who is the only other person around my age there, started at my salary and got a whopping 4k a year increase. I interviewed at a place and when they asked my expected salary I threw out a number that was 20k more than I earn now and she easily said "that's within our budget" without any hesitation for a basic admin position. Maybe I'd be a little busier with less time to spend on LC during the work day, but I doubt I'd have OT so often (or I could at least plan around it better than leaving to the whims of a completely outside organization) and I'd have more money to save up and to take my parents out and care for my dog.
When I quit retail, I prioritized my work life balance over money. Now I feel a bit guilty that I'm looking to leave mainly for the money, but a girl has to eat and take care of her family you know? A job is a job and everyone understands that, and I do too, so I know I shouldn't feel guilty because I've never felt guilty leaving a job before, but now I do!! Ugh!!
No. 1254531
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>pandemic graduate in a poor eurofag country with insane cost of living and shit opportunities
>spend a year living with parents and working at NPO in tiny hometown
>move back to city and get first “real job” in field I studied in
>boss is a belittling asshole and owner is weirdly confrontational britbong who told my manager that I had an attitude problem
>literally getting grief from either of these two daily
>working full time, taking bus everywhere, brining own lunch to work and meal prepping dinner, but after rent and bills are paid literally have no money left over to save or spend
>one month review comes up
>includes comments from boss and owner about how I’m somehow both severely lacking in knowledge and too sacred to ask questions
>going to include this in my response comments
>suddenly remember recruiter who reached out to me about jobs in neighbouring country and was recommended by friends
>great job in a great city with way better pay and way cheaper cost of living than current city
>…
>delete response comments and instead promise I’ll do better for the rest of my review period
>message recruiter back on way home and say I’d love to speak with her further
>to be continued
No. 1254761
>>1254718Try out devops. You already know that you aren't sure if you have it in you to be in nursing school already. New things are scary but give it a try. If devops doesn't work out either, at least you won't be in nursing school thinking "well what if I had done devops instead…?" Scratch that itch. It might work out for you or it might not, but you have to find that out yourself.
Nurses get paid a lot but I don't know how they have it in them. A lot of my friends went into nursing and they're making bank but when I hear about their work I'm not all that jealous of that bag, I know I wouldn't last 5 minutes in their shoes kek.
No. 1255221
>>1255001I would ask myself how much personal time do I want? How much extra stress can I handle? What are my long term goals? Is it more important to establish myself or figure myself out?
Most people don't stay at startups long term, so I would compare working 2 years at the startup to the 2 year university research contract and think about what I can realistically handle.
No. 1255270
>>1255010>>1255221Thank you for the questions, they are good leads for thinking about it realistically and trying to stay level-headed. Working at that startup was my dream but now that I actually could I think I need to be careful about it. Research job is less risky and more conventional, so I also worry about being to reasonable and missing out on the incredibly exciting startup.
First job (startup) pays 10K more but I would have to change for a more expensive accomodation and pay more taxes so I'm evaluating that I would earn about the same in both jobs. For the commute: 15 minutes by walk for the research job, currently live there and love it, startup job is at least 40 min public transport if I can find the right accomodation, can go up to 1 hour or more. I know for a fact I will be way more tired at the startup.
>>1255230The startup seems solid but as you say I am thinking of it as a 2-year job too. Investors can stop being interested very quickly if the scientific results stop rolling out. The other issue is that responsibilities are not clearly defined at all and it's very unclear what I would actually be doing and what career growth I could get there. It's almost more like a technician's job than an scientist's or engineer's. I think I will ask them to clarify what they're offering me.
No. 1255380
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>>1254531here take this
>>1255332ty nona god bless
No. 1255465
>>1255270>research job is less riskyHowever, your long-term prospects for a good career might be smaller, assuming that you'd try for an academic career after the contract is up. If you wanted to go into industry after that then you wouldn't be in a much better position than you are now as far as job prospects and salary.
The commute is incredibly attractive though.
No. 1256566
>>1256328Good luck
nonnie! Working in a museum sounds really cool, I would definitely find it interesting
No. 1257288
>>1255001After mulling it over for the past two days, and trying to ask the right people the right questions, I've come to the decision of taking the research job. I am not as qualified for the startup one as I don't have a PhD and the research is too cutting-edge, my colleagues will all be much more qualified than me. What
>>1255352 said is true for other startups, but this one is too close to academic research to work that way and without the right degree I will probably end up being more of a lab worker than an engineer. Also I won't have the opportunity to get a PhD funded by the company, which is a big bummer as it would have alleviated my doubts. So I'm feeling rather good about my choice, I think I am making the right decision and won't have regrets, also the university job being more versatile means I can always go back to the startup… Or another one if this one tanks lol
No. 1261869
>>1256328So I’m kind of conflicted with this because the interview went well, but the pay isn’t that great.
Negatives
>pays $1 less than current minimum wage>work is just cashiering & data entry >45 minute drive to get there Positives
>schedule lines up to when my other job restarts >free parking in a popular tourist city >would only work six days a month along with the option to cover call-outs No. 1262052
>>1262017No, unless you like doing more work for the same amount of pay, then more power to you.
I've gotten burned before by employers who knew of my "true potential" and it's not sustainable (for me) in the long term. It just led me to burn out because they kept asking me to do more and more because they knew I could do it. Did it lead to a promotion? lol no. Nowadays when I start a new job, I put in enough of an effort to get my work done without getting complaints or getting fired. My employers don't care, they're just happy that my shit is done, and I'm happy because I got to leisurely do it whilst fucking around the internet for hours. If there's a busy season or some last minute assignments, then yeah sure, I'll give 100%, but they shouldn't expect it all the time. You don't need to be 100% all the time. 70-80% of your effort every day is good enough.
Someone's gonna call me a lazy employee but I get praised all the same without overexerting myself so why should I bother?
No. 1262059
>>1262017Embrace it. It probably won't last forever (like if you get another job) so just enjoy it for what it is. You still complete the work, and even your bosses are impressed, so why even feel guilty?
Obviously, don't get too comfortable and start slacking. But as long as things get done and you maintain appearances, what's the big deal.
No. 1262375
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I saw a very good thread about preparing a perfect resume / CV and general job applying prep. It's directed at artists but I think it can be useful for everyone. Picrel tip is a good idea I rarely ever see brought up, entire thread here:
https://twitter.com/Alemja_art/status/1547082330535104512 No. 1262405
>>1262076Just don't put too much thought into it. I took a course in basic 3D design and use that to tell employers that I've worked with 3D modeling to keep myself busy in between jobs. It's not entirely a lie since I do it on my free time, I just don't have anyone paying me to do it, but they don't need to know that. You just have to phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like it's just a hobby. If you're an artist you can say you do illustration work etc.
I think it's stupid that gaps need to be explained as anything but the job market being a bitch at the moment, so telling small lies here and there to get ahead is warranted, in my opinion.
No. 1263544
It's
>>1253061 , I made it past that video interview with the head of HR and just finished my video interview with two of the VPs that I'd be working under if I got the position. Honestly I don't know how I did today. I really want this position but it was hard to read their reactions to my responses and some of it seemed like they were just okay with what I said. My hopes are dwindling. I guess I'll send out more job applications to occupy myself.
No. 1270724
>>1262135Just say you did the bohemian thing of driving around the country in an RV and working odd jobs. Say after a year or so you got sick of it and that "the lifestyle was liberating, but you feel listless and like you're just passing time"
I was pretty honest during an interview where I said "because of some peculiar welfare laws I was actually making more money not working than working (which was true). I've been loving the last few years, but I'm getting bored now".
As long as you don't reveal bad mental health shit, they don't care if you've been a gluttonous NEET for a few years.
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Anons…Its so fucking hard to get hired in the south. Unless you're an engineer, doctor, or in law. If you're a graphic designer you're fucked. I have all these skills in Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. AND YET I CAN'T GET ANYTHING. I'm currently living with my parents. I'm almost 30. I have zero social life.
I wanna live life and not be stuck at my parents house….I wanna move but its fucking hard to get a job out of state.
No. 1272368
>>1271580Why don't just leave? Like, seriously leave, for example to Europe. Plenty of job for designers here, even in non-english speaking countries you'll have companies with english as company language, so you're not limited to UK. If you're any good you'll have no problem finding something. I know it's a big thing to go so far, so I'm not saying it's a solution to your problems but you can consider it.
>>1272197From my experience there's more interest in motion designers now than ever in advertising especially. Ideally, you'd be able to do both static and animated designs, but I think that's usually the case. Adobe programs are the industry standard where I live (Premiere + After Effects, knowledge of Photoshop and Illustrator is also important)
No. 1273646
>>1272796I’m sorry
nonny. Fuck them. They probably just want to hire someone new for a lower starting wage.
You’ll find something better!
No. 1279843
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Made it to the 5th round of interviews. FIFTH!!!!!!! THE 5TH ROUND!!!! Nonnies I'm going crazy. I want this job but oh my god.
No. 1280009
Has anyone gone to small claims court against their employer? I've been collecting evidence that my company has been fucking me over since I got PIP'd after good performance reviews and no warnings. What was it like? What do I need to know?
>>1279843Are you in tech, anon? If so, just keep pushing. You're so close!
No. 1280017
>>1280005The first two were with the company recruiter and HR, the third was with who would be my supervisors, and the round I just finished were people working under the people from the 3rd and who I would still be working with. Not sure who the 5th will be with yet, hoping it's with the department head. Mostly regular interview questions like who I am, why I want the job, and some behavioral "what would you do in this situation" questions.
>>1280009It's not tech! But it is for a massive media company (i.e. one of Disney's competitors), which is why I figure so many rounds of interviews… I've never interviewed for a company this size so I don't know if this is normal or not. The position isn't anything special, really low on the ladder, but the starting pay is 15k what I'm currently making.
I don't even know if I was more disappointed or happy when I got the email that said "The team wants to invite you to speak with more members of the team!" kek. I'll keep pushing through though, because I really want to stop making minimum wage.
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It's
>>1279843 and the coordinator got back to me about 5th round interviews. It is not with the head of the department, it's with a senior manager who works in the office in a whole other state. I get it's still the same department and I'll probably have to interact with people at that office over there but oh my god are they making me meet with every single person who works in the department or something?? I'm starting to feel really discouraged lmao.
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I’ve been at my new job three weeks and two more people have left this week, there’s also people who left all month. It’s a pretty large company but I’m getting worried. I got hired on for a senior position and I’m wondering why the juniors didn’t want to move up into this position. Getting nervous.
Granted there are people who have been here 30+ years so it’s not like everyone is brand new from constant turnover, and they haven’t been rushing me to learn super fast, but I wonder if I just walked into a wasps nest.
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>>1255309I've done it, lasses. Leaving blessings for everyone.
No. 1286575
>>1286558>And would you consider buying a laptop for work if the company did not pay for it?Absolutely not.
>Would you have company apps installed on your personal computer and/or laptop?Careful with this - no idea what apps we're talking about but I know a case of a person who's installed Photoshop from a company license on his personal computer and ended up getting heavily fined by Adobe because it was not allowed (for the software to be installed on non-company computers). Of course the company did not warn him beforehand.
Overall, if your contract states that the company will provide you with suitable work equipment, and you can prove that this equipment is NOT suitable, you should argue with IT for as long as they'll get you something better. If the contract doesn't state that you're supposed use private tools for work, don't do it. You could also try compromising and propose that you'll use your own, better computer but only if they pay for internet + electricity which is required for work.
No. 1288169
A week ago I had a successful internship/future job interview at GIG (Gaming innovation Group’s) for the position of a Digital Marketing Jr. assistant! It was so good that the girl who came after me only spent 20 minutes in the interview room, during which I was walked and shown around the office.. by my best friend! She actually got me to go for the interview and send in my CV! She also introduced me to another co-worker during a NY party AND said many good things about me to the HR, which is why I got this job. All that's left is the paperwork, but I have 2 big problems on the horizon.
1. I applied to be an intern assistant during my 2nd semester at college, but last week, on the day I got an e-mail that I got the internship, I also got an e-mail saying I was kicked out of college.. They didn't even tell me how to get my paperwork out of the fucking place! All my grades and credit points, I don't know what to do about that AND I don't know how to tell the HR I still need to talk to about this. I guess if they deem me this amazing miracle intern they'll see what they can do to have me on their team, but FUUUCK I'm so insecure about telling them I'm out of college because in college I was studying THE EXACT thing they need at this job!
2. My girl told me, while we were bar hopping, that she frequently feels like the people in the company treat people who do SEO lower than themselves or their co-workers, which is a very bad sign, especially only 2,5 years into the company.. So she said she's gonna leave sometime next year for a job where she'll do the exact same thing, but get paid from ~800 euros to ~1200 euros. I don't know how to feel this, should I be scared that I'll also be mistreated? Could it be that I'm being thrown under the bus?
No. 1288336
>>1288169I need some context- why were you kicked out of college? As for getting your paperwork, your school should have something like a "records and registration" department- they are usually the ones you request your transcript from. They should be able to guide you to the right place to get your stuff if they don't have your paperwork. Do you have to be enrolled in school in order to qualify as an intern for them? There's nothing you can do but just tell HR the truth- you are no longer enrolled in school but you would still like to intern for the company, and ask if they are still willing to take you. No use beating around the bush.
To your second question, if you're just an intern then you're just an intern. You don't
have to stay past your intern period, and if you don't like the company after your intern period is up and they've offered you a job, just politely turn them down. It's at least something to put on your resume. Why did your friend introduce you to the job in the first if she herself is planning on leaving? Why wait so long to tell you that SEO people get treated worse?
No. 1288346
>>1288336Kicked out due to not paying the bill of 350 euros/month on time. We had no courses during all of July, so I assumed I wouldn't have to pay the increased tax price until courses resumed. The college also doesn't have more than one department, everything is done by a single team of 3 accountants and assistants. Super shady, I know.
As for enrollment, I applied through an internship site of a university unrelated to my college, so I was told there are 2 different types of internships one can have. One is without a college and through the uni site and my spouse told me it means "anyone, even a NEET, could apply", or the other, the one we discussed heavily during interview, is through a college and will only last until I have finished college (or was supposed to finish in January 2023).
Do you think it'd be a good idea for me to spin leaving college as a good thing since for them it means I can be an intern for the entire duration of the internship (originally it's 9 months, but I'd only get 6 because of college).
When it comes to my friend, she seemed happy to have me with her at work, but after your question I started to think about it and now I think that she just got lonely of the surface level friendships with her co-workers. She also told me about the internship far before she said she's thinking about leaving, but I think she didn't really mean to tell me as to not scare me away, same with the treatment concern. I want to think that she didn't experience the worst of the treatment until one day she showed me photos of her latest team-building event for SEO workers and it was so cheap and horrible it opened her eyes further. I don't really know, but right now I just feel like if she leaves next year, I'll just be her replacement.
Also, sorry to ask, but what would you do if you didn't know the meaning of certain legal terms or the wording was messed up and you wouldn't really want to ask the people handing you the docs because they're clearly biased and might spin it like you're an idiot?
IK this is a red flag of a question because it clearly shows I don't trust them 100%, but I want to be safe than sorry.
No. 1288996
>>1280505Update: I was very upset about doing a 5th round of interviews but actually had the best time speaking with that person. It was much more conversational than the previous rounds, and she wasn't so stiff. I've also gleamed that she has a female partner, and she made a passing remark about how unfortunate it was that the company was headed by men. If I'm hired, she'd be the one I'd be working the most with/being trained by, and she seems like a really lovely person!!
Recruiter got back to me that I made it to the final round. So unfortunately another round. On the bright side, it's the last. This couldn't have come at a better time. I'm really suffering at my job right now kek
No. 1289026
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does anyone else have bummy life goals
I just wanna buy a nice rv or spinter van and live in it until I'm old,
not like live in a trailer park
but just "camp" on blm land
people have told me "so your goal in life is to be homeless" and I GUESS?
No. 1290272
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>>1288996You're super close, anon! Really proud of you and honestly? You most likely got the job.
>>1043200I'm thinking about quitting my job in Septemberish and taking a month off in my motherland to see extended family and take some needed time off. Financially, I'm in an alright place as I have a decent amount of money saved and could sublet my apartment to save on rent. However, I'm a little scared to not have a job lined up after my break since there have been layoffs and a hiring downturn in the tech industry. I'm also very rusty at interviewing and some skills I need to make for a lateral change, so I'm scared I won't get hired immediately and will be jobless for more than I would like. Is it worth joining the Great Resignation for a breather and to sharpen my skills/portfolio? This job has been so bad for me, especially since they acknowledge I'm doing way more than my job title dictates yet I'm getting underpaid.
Tl;dr want to leave my shitty tech job for some rest, travel, and skill/port upgrading but scared about the economy
No. 1290614
>>1290272Yes. I think it is. If you’re self motivated or around family that can motivate you/keep it in check, you can learn a lot, I know someone who’s done this recently and she bas been learning so much and spending time with her parents, she really loves it, and has got new opportunities now.
Plus, we don’t live forever, so I hope you get to have lie ins, explore, spend time with people you love and learn loads.
No. 1290647
>>1290272Thank you nona! I also think you should do it! I understand hating the feeling of uncertainty and being worried about the risk. But I think it is worthwhile to take time for yourself for family- that is more important than a paycheck. You will get a job eventually. It would be great to land one immediately after coming back! Or it might take a little longer than that, but I believe you can get one again.
Something that helps me with interviews is looking up common questions (or if the company is on glassdoor and people have posted interview questions on there, use those too) and writing up my answers and then rehearsing them into the air. Familiarizing myself with how I sound, working out the pacing, figuring out how to make it sound as least robotic as possible really helps me in not stumbling much in interviews. Also I have been called in for so many interviews that I'd say I'm pretty darn good at them, so even failed interviews have their use!
Good luck nona. Things are scary for everyone at the moment, but I think you'll be able to find a new job.
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6th and final interview has been completed nonnies. It's truly out of my hands now. I hope I get it and this interview with the head of the department seemed very promising, but who knows.
No. 1295940
>>1295781you should do it if the pay is significantly more and your boss it telling you to. in my experience that means you will get the promotion if you apply, they're basically holding it for you if they say that (again, in my experience).
it's a myth that management is a harder job. it's usually an easier job. if you let it get to you mentally, it takes a toll I guess. the trick is to let go of your old job responsibilities
as quickly as possible and I can not stress that point enough. that is not your job anymore. you will wind up doing two jobs and getting burnt out if you try to keep doing your old job.
No. 1296338
>>1295788You got this
nonnie!
No. 1296952
>>1296934that or like executive/personal assistant to somebody important maybe. but tbh
nonnie will be competing with people with degrees/experience for anything with a good salary
No. 1296988
>>1296310Does anyone have any tips?
Skills I have are organization, project management, and I am good at school/math/cs/etc.
No. 1297056
>>1296916just an idea but if you can get a night auditor job at a hotel (I know it's customer service but it's light customer service) there's a very direct line to becoming a comptroller at a lot of medium size hotel management companies especially if you're willing to relocate to their headquarter city one day. moving eventually might not even be a requirement these days with remote work, but I left the industry before covid so I don't know.
do not work an overnight shift for more than a couple years. firstly because high turnover rate in hotel industry means you should have had an opportunity to change positions by then, and secondly and more importantly you will die 10 years sooner than you would have if you work graveyard shift for 5 years so you shouldn't push it (lots of research backing this up and 5 years seems to be the point at which you 100% shaved years off your life).
if you can stay professional, mildly friendly, and know how to make yourself look good in an email, it's incredibly easy to impress hotel managers and work your way up.
No. 1297283
>>1296988Same anon as
>>1297270 but to elaborate, it sounds like you're not necessarily bored of what you do (maybe I'm wrong), you're bored when you don't have opportunities to learn and be challenged, which could easily become an issue in pretty much any role unless you go into R&D (ideally with a clear path to industry because there are hardly any actual research jobs in academia). You might thrive in a huge company where there are plenty of opportunities to work on a variety of different products and you can learn from numerous peers. You might even want to aim for one that has a reputation for being a meatgrinder; usually it's well-earned but a lot of high-performers thrive in those environments (at least until their priorities change and they retire to a more relaxed company).
No. 1298155
>>1297275I feel your pain
nonny im an assistant manager at a customer service job that also has 5 employees and someone just put in their notice, it’s not really a bad thing because she was one of our worst employees but finding someone better has been such a struggle, i hate to sound like a boomer but i really enjoy my job and it makes me sad that people go out of their way to apply/get hired and then do the bare minimum/show up late and have an attitude every day. It’s also a pretty fun environment/nice company imo I don’t know why people who hate working whatsoever don’t just get a job at McDonald’s or something so they have more reasons to complain.
No. 1299091
>>1297056thanks anon, something like that is what I need, the entry-level pay is shitty though? Hope I can hear back anyways because I need a job like yesterday.
>you will die 10 years sooner than you would have if you work graveyard shift for 5 years so you shouldn't push it (lots of research backing this up and 5 years seems to be the point at which you 100% shaved years off your life).The more you know. Letting my boyfriend in on this too. Thanks again
nonny No. 1299984
>>1299091the entry level pay for night auditor can be pretty good and is the highest paid entry level position at an average hotel. of course it's not as high as it should be. hotels have a churn & burn labor model that keeps wages pretty low and is frustrating to observe when you work at one for a while… for instance, no one at the hotel I worked at owned a house unless they were a manager. almost every manager had worked their way up from entry level though so that was encouraging… but I found out this worked well for the hotel company because if managers knew how to do the actual jobs they managed, managers could cover shifts when jobs got slashed during slow season.
night audit was a constant though. there was no getting pulled into other departments on night audit. you have a very specific job and no one else wants to do it. if you're too good at it you might be forgotten so the downside is you need to proactively ask for "learning opportunities" to advance your career, which is hard if you don't know what to ask for. hopefully you get a boss that's happy to teach you stuff.
I feel like night audit to comptroller/controller was the least messy / highest return career plan that also left you with a marketable skill (knowledge of AR / AP and some basic accounting stuff) in case you want to leave hospitality. but as always there's a lot of variables. that's why it's just an idea…
on the other hand, my friend who works at the post office made way more money that I made at a hotel, did not have to do any crabs-in-a-bucket career climbing, and is still doing it and basically can't be fired so… if you can get a union job with a pension
obviously do that instead and also quit school lmao.
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nonnies i have a dumbass question. does a job that lists the compensation as "1200 biweekly" mean that is the pay received every two weeks? or is it 1200 divided by the two biweekly periods in a month, making it 600 each payday? I'm confused bc it's a part time job that i know can't be very high hourly…
No. 1308711
>>1308688I think its just an email so you are not bothering anyone, just send it rn
nonnie!
No. 1310323
>>1308708Being direct is very, very important, telling her exactly what's needed of her, what she's doing wrong and how to do it right, even just asking her straight up what she struggles with and what she thinks could help her deal with it. Explaining stuff step by step (even the details that seem intuitive to you) or having someone show her step by step, encouraging her to ask questions, maybe even suggesting she write down schedules, procedures, how to do things step by step, all of that would help get the training process over with faster. As soon as she picks it up, you won't have to worry about her, but for younger people on the spectrum especially, they can get tripped up so easily on a relatively simple task just because there's one detail they didn't pick up that no one thought needed explaining, but a lot of the time all it takes to get them in working order is to catch that thing tripping them up and explain it for them. If there are any roles you can put her on that are centered around more repetitive behaviors, I would do that, but otherwise I second
>>1310100 on trying to schedule her during slower hours.
A lot of the time, if it seems like they're having trouble with something even though they know how to do it, it can be a sensory issue that's usually not impossible to fix. Encouraging them to use gloves for cleaning or dish washing (really anything where they might have to handle stuff that feels weird), light ear plugs or even headphones for noisy environments when possible, that kind of stuff can make a world of difference. It's not always possible to make those accommodations but when it is, it's worth it. Letting her write notes on her hand or note cards or whatever might speed up the issue with learning the menu and all that, and this can extend to "scripts" for what to say if she deals with customers directly. Also, it may seem tempting to schedule her with your most efficient workers so they can pick up the slack while she learns, but in my experience, it works much better to schedule them with more patient/easy going people, the kind who won't get bothered as quickly if she has questions or messes something up.
Honestly, the training period is going to take a little bit longer than usual, but if/when she gets it figured out, she could be a very reliable, efficient worker, especially if you get tax credits for employing her. She might never pick it up, and it's fine to let her go if you have to, but I wouldn't give up just yet.
I will say I've never had as much success with autistic men, but women are a safer bet.
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I finally put in my 2 weeks at my shitty retail job. In way i feel free, but it also opened up a whole can of anxiety for me. I now realize I have to put in applications to places for a new job, fuck I hate doing that. Maybe I shouldnt've left without another job in the pipes just yet, but I was barely getting any hours and things weren't improving there. I want to find a job relevant to my studies, yet a lot of jobs require relevant experience for that job, even in starting positions. I know I have security and won't be put out on the streets if I don't work for a while, but mentally it'll destroy me, I need a new job asap.
No. 1313362
>>1313132I agree with
>>1313197I'm very curious about this though. I hope you don't get fucked over on your final paycheck or something. liquidated damages really seem like something that should be illegal. employers pushed for at-will employment laws so it's easier to fire you but now they want there to be detailed contracts of employment because too many people are leaving
at will. seems like they want to eat their cake and have it too.
No. 1313960
>>1313197that's what my mom says as well. it's been hours since i had sent yet again my phone number to my boss and never has he called me or attempted to. before i did sent out my immediate resignation, i had already announced my leave to my boss and he eventually set up a meeting with me and his boss regarding it. I was ready to comply with the required thirty day notice but his boss ended up forcing me to agree to a two month notice instead, which is not something I see in the handbook. she did mention that they have to keep a number of employees 'employed or working' each month and likely my leave would decrease the below average number of people inside the production hall.
>>1313362i am slowly withdrawing money from the bank account they gave me in hopes that whatever is left there would be my payment for the supposed liquidated damages. ALSO, the liquidated damages was never truly discussed in details of what it is and how to pay it back and other necessary information for a threat. I guess that's what makes it useful, vague details so people wouldn't be confident to face it head on. Other than simply a payment for the supposed programs we have use in order to function or use for work but i hardly don't see it as something to pay since I don't have any authority to use it outside of company grounds, equipment too.
i also have to mention that liquidated damages also include the training we have to go through as well but the things we use there are our own permanent equipment for the job. the trainer mentioned that it would also be a payment for the people guiding us over the course of the overall weeks of training but it's not like they're not getting paid to do it either. and the trainer was promoted to this position to, well, train applicants. My boss was also a figurehead of my training but I'd be under him eventually.
and yeah, a lot of people are going AWOL or resigning even with the temptations of high pay. which is something to tempted over considering there's barely a lot of requirements to be employed in the overall industry, even people without a highschool diploma could be employed just as long they aced their interviews and assessments.
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i'm planning to quit my job in december and study to become a web developer. that's what i wanted to be back in school but i was pressured by my family to pursue another career. now i'm fucking miserable and i can't stay in this field for much longer, i might kms. any advice for switching careers?
No. 1315776
>>1313960update i guess, i'm feeling overwhelmed. my boss messaged me earlier and says he wanted me to work until sept. 1 to lessen the amount of liquidated damages i have to pay, that and his boss has yet to make my immediate resignation effective. i didn't reply and after hours of waiting, he message me back saying that it's my choice and if the liquidated damages wasn't a burden then I have to pay it off.
I still have some of my last salary to pay the amount of the liquidated damages but this sucks, my first ever job and this is the experience I got. not to say i expected to be swaddled and all but having some sort of debt to the company even though I had three weeks worth of actual labor, actual experience with customers, shouldn't that experience be sufficient as some sort of my financial return towards them?
idk, all my friends and family say i should ignore them and all but i feel like i'm backed into a corner here. it's the reason why i'm venting in this thread.
No. 1315861
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>>1315776I have never heard of this shit in my life. "Liquidated damages" for leaving a company early. Fucking kek. Even top execs suddenly leaving don't pay damages if they abandoned some multi million project. Ignore him and if necessary let him know "to make it fair" he can take you to small claims court if necessary, where he would lose because this shit doesn't have a leg to stand on despite whatever bullshit contract he conjured up to scare young fools. He wouldn't take it that far, the judge would literally be irritated by this crap and it would expose him. What. Are. The. "Damages".
This bullshit is a scam, seems like one of those cases that would blow up on the antiwork subreddit.
No. 1315868
>>1313960Continuing from here
>>1315861>I am slowly withdrawing money from the bank account they gave mePlease don't tell me you haven't been getting paid from your own bank account? Rather one THEY control and can withdraw from? The fuck kind of company is this? Nonnies need to work at actual companies and not little sketchy LLCs operated by a scammer.
No. 1315877
>>1315799nonna as someone that also deals with 0 backbone + anxiety i think in this case not answering gives the illusions of you giving the cold shoulder so i would keep it up if you are not comfortable with direct confrontation, also as
>>1315858 said, i doubt they even have a case against you or they would be already doing it, most of these people have a bloodlust with money so if they could have already left you pennyless legally they would have done so
No. 1316000
>>1315776I don't know where you are based
nonnie, but see if you can contact your country's equivalent of a labor/workforce department, they may be able to give you more solid answers. It sounds like your boss is just scheming.
>his boss ended up forcing me to agree to a two month notice instead, which is not something I see in the handbook.Girl. Most companies ask for two weeks. You don't
actually even have to give them a proper notice. It's a courtesy and people usually comply with it because they don't want that bridge burned. This is not a bridge worth saving. Empty all of the money out of that shady sounding bank account, money that is your wages and that you are entitled to, and leave!!! They are taking advantage of you since this is your first job and you don't know how to tell what's bullshit yet.
>they have to keep a number of employees 'employed or working' each month and likely my leave would decrease the below average number of people inside the production hall. That is their problem, not yours. You'll quickly learn that business is business. Employers can and will replace you without a second thought, so you need not care about them and take care of yourself first and foremost. I've worked for big corporations and small family owned companies, it's all the same at the end of the day. You only have yourself, do not give a single fuck about the company, they do not care about you no matter what they say.
>i also have to mention that liquidated damages also include the training we have to go through as well but the things we use there are our own permanent equipment for the job. the trainer mentioned that it would also be a payment for the people guiding us over the course of the overall weeks of training but it's not like they're not getting paid to do it either. and the trainer was promoted to this position to, well, train applicants.This place sounds like a straight up scam, like "you have to buy into the company first before you make money!" MLM level scams. Even if you do not have to directly pay to be trained, they have no right to force you to pay for your own training. Companies pay their employees for training, and pay for the equipment they need to use, and that's that. You are not responsible for paying that back AT ALL!!!!!!!! I'm not a lawful but I'm HIGHLY doubtful he has a legal leg to stand on. I bet that judge is going to laugh and tell him to get the fuck out. "You want anon to pay… because you hired her and paid her wages during training and supplied company equipment (that was not broken under her care and she is returning to the company upon resignation) and you want her to pay you back…?" Sounds like he's just mad he had to pay you to learn how to work and now you want out. Tough fucking shit.
I'm seething at your situation nona. Again, do not pay him anything. Take that money that is rightfully yours and leave. Fuck giving them a notice. I know you have no backbone but you better grow one.
No. 1316017
>>1315858>>1315861>>1315868>>1315877yeah, everyone tells me that i'm too much of a pushover with the situation. I'd definitely lawyer up if they try to mention the legality of the issue but for now, i'm just hoping they'd leave me alone by giving them the silent treatment. I even uninstalled my messenger app because that's the only form of communication my boss has been using.
nobody really knows for sure. it's the only thing that we haven't been given an depth statement in a form of a contract either, which is suspicious because the company is really meticulous for its pdfs, contracts, company modules and daily reminders on company guidelines and other related things. It's also difficult to confirm either because not everyone knows about it as well. We were only told that it was the things we use for work and the training we have to go through before we are fully put inside the production hall. Everything in the liquidated damages is a vague statement.
I also planned to ask reddit for advice but i posted my issue here because i feel secured that not everyone knows this place.
They never gives us the option to have our salary be placed on our personal bank account, you just have to transfer it there once you receive your pay. unfortunately, this company is an international one. it started in my country despite having foreign owners, and it went worldwide shortly after. although the branch in my area had only started two years ago.
true, they keep on holding onto me like its a lifeline. rather than serving a threat with actual documents sent through my email or smth. I could reason out that they wanted to help me not pay a lot but they could've been more honest with me if it's their intention, like admitting that liquidated damages is merely a hoax so employees wouldn't leave once the workload gets exhausting. or just direct me on how to pay the damages right then and there.
i also have to mention that one of my friends who previously worked there was given the option of a training fall out, which is an option that applicants can back away if they feel like the workload isn't for them during training. It's an instant leave or cut off from the company as well. But not every applicant or group knows about it. One of my teammates have discuss this to the person who was helping him during training and the information he was given doesn't align to what my friend have mention. My teammate has been told that he can render a thirty day leave once training is done but that's basically a thirty-day notice for a resignation. I asked the one who was assisting and she wasn't aware of the option either.
My friend has been in the company for less than a year as well.
i feel like the branch in my area is losing people more than it's gaining revenue. so they're holding onto us in a tight leash or smth.
No. 1316071
>>1316017> I could reason out that they wanted to help me not pay a lot dont be naive, theres no good intentions here. If I rob you and say hey I'm only gonna take your wallet and not your entire bag, is that being nice and wanting to help?
>we haven't been given an depth statement in a form of a contractthen its all extra invalid and bullshit. even if there was a contract it would be a scam inapplicable in court.
just stop wasting mental energy on this company and situation, istg if you pay them or make more posts about how youre not sure then we will fly to you and shake you like bart Simpson
No. 1316088
>>1316029>>1316000that's what i trying to look for in the handbook, for a two weeks notice so i can leave sooner than stuck around in september but i eventually settled with a thirty-day notice because it's the only one that's available. having forced to agree for two months really made me decide for an immediate resignation because i don't think staying there for too long would be good for me, physically and mentally.
also the equipment we use will be given and return back to my boss before and after my shift so it's not like the security concerning the equipment is doubtful when we hardly have it with us at all times besides our shift as well.
yeah, this situation is an eye-opener for me.
>>1316029>>1316071true. i'm just grasping at straw with some sort of hopeful and good intentions with what they're doing right now. but i'm just being naive and an idiot. entertaining them would only worsen the situation and put me in deeper shit than i'm currently am. and honestly, anon, i just need some tough love and if it means strangling me than go ahead. you can even hold my hand if they wanted confrontation but i don't think they'd have the energy to go that far other than a simple phone call or email tbh.
No. 1316264
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hi nonnies. im really looking for advice or guidance as ive had multiple panic attacks over this topic for the past few months. im 21 and just finished my two year associates and i work part time right now. i planned to take this semester off to figure things out but have gotten nowhere.
i adore animals and literature but will obviously not pursue these as a career due to little to no stability. not interested in vet tech.
i am between web development, biology or dental hygiene.
the dental hygiene program does not begin for another year and it is a small pool of people where i must get accepted from, so i feel really stupid and like i will be even more miserable if i wait a whole year. im not too fond of my job but it does offer free online college for your bachelors, and i would do biology or web development this way as the local colleges near me only one offers some sort of biology program but id rather do it online since that college isnt too great. alternatively, do i apply to universities in or out of state and deal with debt but maybe a better education/experience? i have thought of saving to move out, maybe finding some random roommates, but i dont know it being alone is the best thing for me right now, although it would have its upsides and i could possibly find a good fulltime job to keep me stable.
i dislike living at home, but i enjoy having limited bills to pay and its nice sometimes to be familiar with things. i have no friends aside from a couple of coworkers i hang out with here and there and really do not care for my town. i feel very “alone”, just less alone as i would being in a new place.
i really love studying and want to continue my education! but i dont know if its best to continue it at home and be more miserable due to a bad home life but less financially stressed, or forget college and move out (and possibly struggle more) or the other option i mentioned of being in debt but going away to uni. sorry for the wall of text, im racking my brain and just need some wisdom. i love studying and i want to finish college and get a stable job with a bachelors or dental hygiene degree, but is it even worth it or necessary? if so, its not even the subjects im stuck on but how the fuck do i decide what to do from here? im sick of feeling alone and im sick of where i live. goodness im sorry nonnies. just trying to give as much background as i can. living abroad is an idea but a whole other ballpark.
i dont think i would hate working fulltime (obviously id feel suicidal most days but i dont want to live on disability or rely on a moid) but at least id have my own place? but i probably need a degree to even afford that.
No. 1316273
>>1316264samefag but i just worry i wont make it in the world without a degree. at 19 i experienced my first relationship and trusted my boyfriend at the time when he insisted he would take care of me as i finished my studies (obviously things went very bad and i had to move back home) so i want to be independent. but i live in an area where one bedrooms cost $2,000 and if you get lucky you might get $13-17 at a basic fulltime job lol. so i feel id need to move out of state (no point staying in state and moving out if i can be with my mother for less money) or get a degree. i aspire for the latter but im okay with learning on my own and in my free time if its not necessary, even if people see me as a failure i think thats ok if i can at least support myself. i know the smarter option is taking advantage of the free online education and sticking with my job for two more years, or trying for the dental program, but my heart really wants to experience university, a new place, somewhere i can physically attend classes, but i worry about financial struggles, how ill balance work with the course load, and the debt ill have after. just tired of not truly living. again, the third option i suppose is finding a decent state with a decent job offer and moving out and starting my life.
No. 1319632
>>1319630I understand
nonnie, don't feel too bad if you're not the only one fucking up
No. 1320237
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I hate factory jobs that run on 12 hours shifts with only two days to accumulate to the night shift in my area. They'll hire anybody, which is nice. I won't last long which isn't nice. I know I couldn't last. Downer energy, I know. But I'd try to stick with it as long as I can.
Also, is it the norm to be calling a staffing agency once you applied for a job with them?
No. 1321055
>>1297275I did it nonnies, I absolutely bullshitted my way through to a comfy 100% remote customer service job with no phone time that cares about its workers and provides all sorts of benefits. And it's a company I like for a product I use. Amazing.
Now I can leave this shitty company, and they will have only 1 agent left, who is also looking for another job. Too bad I won't be there to see how they get fucked.
No. 1321251
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>tfw freelancer
>clients assume you're in the same time zone and will be available 24/7
>hey anon i need you to do this 4 hour job within 30 minutes max
>hey anon the deadline is in 8 days and it's been 3 days already what the fuck you should be done by now!!1
>hey anon i need you to do a $200 job for me tomorrow. now that you've cleared your entire day to work for me, just kidding! didn't need you after all.
>hey anon here's a job that'll take 20 hours to finish yes i know it's Friday afternoon but i need it by Monday morning
>hey anon GREAT work i appreciate you so much you've helped me so much so do you mind if i cut your salary in half from now on? that's fine, right?
No. 1322055
>>1321770Not sure about other countries, but in the US, they must pay you for what you've worked. Don't fall for any bullshit about you needing to provide a 2 week notice either. A notice is a courtesy, not a legal requirement. Threaten to take it to your state's labor board if they want to argue with you. If you are not in the US, sorry I got nothing.
Does anyone with a perfectly fine "big girl" job just get the urge to work retail/food again? I think I miss the social aspect more than anything, but I don't think I'd put up with nearly as much as I did when I was 18 these days.
No. 1322321
>>1316273I've heard hygiene school is very competitive right now. It might not be worth it to do bio pre-reqs only to face rejection in the end. I noticed you didn't talk much about web-dev. It gets shit on by backend moids but it's a pretty real career and it's going to be in-demand for a while. Webdevs also tend to be more chill ime, so your coworkers are more likely to be decent. I'd recommend looking into an associates in web dev or seeing if you can get a bachelor's in CS or something related.
Obviously I don't know what your financial situation is like, but staying with your parents and going to a local public college is the best thing you can do financially. Your area is expensive enough that I bet that there's decent colleges within driving distance. It sucks to not have the full freedom afforded to most college students, but the financial freedom is grants you later is worth it IMO. I'm actually able to save some money, so if decided I really hated my job, I'd be able to quit without too many worries, and I also am not worried about getting fired. So many of my peers feel trapped and overworked by their jobs because they can't afford to miss two paychecks. Sure, I couldn't drink at parties because I had to drive myself back home, and participating in extracurriculars was tough, but I really didn't miss out on all that much.
>>1321076Send them an email asking for an update in a polite manner.
I've almost never had an update come in time. If I get an estimate of 2 weeks, I'll either get an update in 3-4 days or in 3-4 weeks (and only if I badger them about it).
This is just normal corporate dysfunction, and it doesn't necessarily mean you didn't get the job. A hundred things could've happened that are delaying their decision– another candidate had to reschedule, some uninvolved person at the company isn't giving the rubber stamp in a timely manner, the recruiter is procrastinating having to do salary negotiations with you, etc etc.
>>1321230I wouldn't get a ref from the receptionist, but I also wouldn't have all 3 refs be from the same company. Someone who regularly works with/alongside you at your current company would be best if you don't want to use your supervisor as a ref for whatever reason. You could also check in with the person that's out of the country and see if they're willing/able to be your ref anyways.
No. 1323687
>>1322055Update #2: they paid me for 3 days, I didn't even have the chance to give them my direct deposit so they mailed me a check the same day I resigned. I feel pretty guilty about doing training and not the job though.
They might want to continue my employment but I have another full time job and full time school, I was balancing it pretty well before but idk about two jobs
No. 1327599
Nonnas, I come to you for some serious advice.
During my last year of school I had a dream of pursuing a career in IT, since I knew a little bit about coding and I liked computers. But my parents instead forced me to enroll in med university. Now, I wouldn't mind it too much, if it was a fancy pantsy job like in the US, where you make mad $$$ as a doctor, but in my country it literally a shit-tier job, since medicine is state-funded. I hated it from the start and wanted to quit in the first year, but parents argued that I should continue anyway. I felt great pressure doing it, since I felt that I had a responsibility to make my family proud. Anyway, midway of my education I was diagnosed with autism and it explained why I struggled to study:I had meltdowns all the time and had hard time talking to people and other students even blatantly told me I acted like a sped and even bullied me like we was in middle grade.
I'd finish my education anyway, since I already choose it and there is no way back, but then the war started and now the economy is in the shitter and doctors make even less than before (which is not much to hegin with). I'm really pissed that I choose a career path that tool me 6 years so far to study and now I will make less money than a McD cashier. I'd choose another job, but I have little job experience since I'm alrwady 24 and only worked at bakeries and factories during summer to make some spare cash.
Should I continue with my education? It's hard with my mental health since people treat me like a joke, even though I'm pretty good academically. Or should I find another job that will make me happy? I don't know if it's too late to get into coding, since every looser and their dog is an IT specialist now.
No. 1327617
>>1327599Have you looked at university of the people? It’s an American accredited university. It’s the only one in America that’s completely online. No extra text books, no set class every week just assignment and lesson deadlines. It’s still difficult but I find it helped me have an easier time working on mine and going back. It’s also the cheapest way in the states. Maybe it will help.
Also men suck at coding. None of these tech bros have any actual skill sets. They do one training bootcamp and think their gods. They have no interest or passion for data. You can work harder than them tbh.
No. 1329128
>>1329031We just got out of 2 years of covid and you work in tech.
Just say you took time off to improve your mental health and reconnect with your family and friends after the lockdowns. It's no big deal.
No. 1329131
>>1328699When you are understaffed, there will ALWAYS be "emergencies" to take care of. No matter how much you work. So you might as well work just enough (don't overwork).
It is not your fault you are short staffed - it is your employers. If they wanted to, they could staff. But why would they, when people like you are busting their assess and allowing them to NOT hire more people?
For your own benefit, stop overworking. Just chill out and do the bare minimum. The extra money is not worth your health. (Read up how stress and overwork affect your body.)
No. 1329635
>>1329073go to your boss and act like it's a good thing you're happy about.
I'm starting school in january! can you help me navigate the transfer process? do not act like you're asking permission from them to start school, because you aren't. it's possible they have no control over the transfer process but i don't know the specifics of where you work. as for best time just anything that doesn't affect the current schedule or the schedule your boss is probably already working on in excel lol.
based on the high turnover maybe you would be better off quitting on good terms, moving, and reapplying at the new place. but a transfer would be nice instead I guess.
No. 1330134
>>1329638In the US four years of programming experience, even in a junior position, should open a ton of doors for you. If you can convince an interviewer that you're competent, you can easily expect to get offered a 50% raise.
Even if you feel like you weren't promoted because you didn't deserve it, just spin it like the reason you're leaving is because of an unfair promotion structure (if it comes up).
No. 1330204
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Question, if you aren't a mega brain, and have poor memory, is it worth getting into AI programming/machine learning? Won't it basically automate itself after a while?
Am I better off just using my ideas to learn how to build apps or something? Because, I do have ideas and I do have front-end knowledge, and I enjoy the idea of seeking out opportunities for myself too.
I've just been learning about it creeping up and I can imagine a lot of jobs, computer and otherwise, becoming automated so I'm not really sure what I can do. I've been selling stuff online but I can sense the markets are overflooded, and I don't know if they will stay consistent for the next years and sometimes while I do enjoy it, it does feel like I'm running on a wheel, pretty much limited by how much my (already pretty fucked up and disabled) body can do. Sourcing new stuff can take all day and…actually, there was one day I basically hit a gold mine, yet I was so exhausted I could barely go through all of it and literally wanted to pass out on the floor.
Moreover, I'm very interested in the idea of a passive income but I wonder if it'd be dumb to think about it because it seems like something everyone wants to get.
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>>1329131nta but I love you anon you’re the rightest and I’ve been so stubborn and rude toward coworkers who have said this kind of thing to me before I burnt myself out and had to really look at what was happening. It took me over a year at my current job to learn this outlook but once I did my job has been enjoyable for the most part. Once I did slow down I noticed the only thing making me feel overwhelmed was the quantity, and my bosses seemed to know that giving me a lot at once would motivate me to move faster and work through it with my method but busting my ass left me with no energy at the end of the day. I take my time and let my mind wander and by the time I know it there’s only a few hours left! I hope no one says anything about the difference in productivity because even with taking my time I still meet the (vaguely set) standard at my job and usually exceed it, because when I’m not so focused on the workload itself I can get in my zone and break it up into workable amounts.
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me, a janitor at school every time a white moidlet comes late to class: "omg are you a school shooter"
No. 1330966
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I just got hired to be a teacher for a private school and now finishing my first week there. It's a one on one teaching model. We are paid only by the amount of students we have and I'm an elective teacher so I only teach 7 right now. Basically, I'm paid 29 dollars an hour but only for the time I teach, and I teach for 14 hours a week. I'm not paid for being at school for x amount of time and not paid for planning time. I get that is what being a teacher is like, but I'm not salary, I'm hourly. Like, I think if I continue with only this many kids, I make 15k a year, and I only work 14 hrs a week so I won't count as full time and won't get paid holidays or any benefits like medical. I have no prior teaching experience and it's so stressful and I genuinely feel like I'm losing my mind. I like doing work with the kids but I'm not good at time management, barely getting paid, and I don't know if it's worth the pain. I thought maybe I'd like being a teacher but I'm realizing I really don't.
Nonnies, should I quit my job? I feel my mental just deteriorating rapidly but I do care about the kids. I just don't know if the pros outweigh the cons.