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No. 368628
Feel free to discuss and rant about:
>Instances of sexism in your favorite video games.>Instances of sexism in video games you don't like.>Sexism in the videogame industry.>Sexism within the emulation scene.>Videogames that are advertised as only for girls or only for boys.>Specific videogame developers and publishers.>Specific sexist videogame developers/emulator developers. >Differences between how women view sexism in videogames v.s. how men see sexism in videogames generally.>How your society views women and girls into playing and/or developing videogames.…and much more.
Videogames on consoles, emulators, computers and mobile devices are all welcome to be in this thread.
Please keep transgender sperging to a minimum. It is likely to derail the thread.
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>>>/m/259351 No. 368629
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>>368510It's clear as day these things are made with certain biases and intentions in mind. It's not that it just contributes badly to how men view women, it's that men's pre-existing misogyny makes its way into these games and the games clearly reflect that. The game you posted is a prime example. There's 5 female costumes in the new vindictus game, 3 of which are coombait, 2 of which are modest, only one is of a heavier armor type. Meanwhile the male counterpart (the one that's on the actual promo of the game interestingly enough) has three almost identical outfits, where he's burqa tier covered in heavy armor and you can't even see his face. Vindictus and other coomer korean mmos actually have a pretty even gender distribution from my experience when playing them. Women like pretty female characters that koreans put out, aside from the coom they can make nice, elegant and classy outfits here and there and that's what I generally noticed actual female players put on their characters (unless they're in the game to just erp). Yet somehow, these games mostly cater to men. You don't need studies to notice this.
I will say vindictus would cater to their female audience with a few sexy male outfits too, but it's breadrcrumbs compared to what the male players get.
No. 368636
>>368634Because the men that make these big titty fertility goddess waifus are the same men that get offended if they see a finger pinching motion in their near vicinity. They want their women docile and dick hungry, and they'll get real women fired for it in real life. They're so fragile they can't even handle men being presented in the same way, as seen from the example posted in the last thread with that one final fantasy twink. If you've played korean mmos in the past you'd notice that they're slowly regressing when it comes to the general gender equality of fanservice which is just a reflection of korean society becoming more and more hostile to women becoming feminist.
I don't think games that are rated 18+ like vindictus will massively contribute to male radicalization against women, but they serve as a good mirror into their fragile egos. You seem to be more interested in baiting than having an actual discussion though so I'll leave it here.
No. 368688
>>368634Nobody should be forced to be part of the game devs jerking off material, if they want to make porny shit, they should do a porn game. Moids are more than capable of presenting diverse characters without turning them into sexual objects, why can't women want to be seen like that as well? So many women, including itt, have spoken out how uncomfortable they are to this double standard, wouldn't that be a reason by itself? What's the point of moids complaining few women play games when every games is clearly telling "you can stay, but you are not our audience". All that by itself should be enough of a reason. I personally always hated this, it's never equally applied to male characters. I don't personally want it to be applied to male characters, but the imbalance sends a clear message of what they see women as. I wonder why do you need studies on such a basic concept to grasp, maybe because some terms were parroted during the years, but seeing women as sexual objects is a very bad thing with plenty of studies on that. Look up how porn affects you brain. Why do men need this sexual gratification in most of their games? Is it because their brains are all rotted from porn? I heard the justification of this for years, "sex sells", but is it really sex as a whole being sold? It's not. It's male fantasy porn with no regards to the woman's interest. They don't want the men in their games to be sexual objects or appealing to women. I remember growing up, how many moids hated Leon and Raiden, because how dared some male character be pretty, to the point they always have to turn the pretty boys into depressed men with stubbles or fuck them up like ctyborg raiden to become "relatable" to salty moids. So if you are not convinced sexualization of these female characters is a bad thing, then why is it bad when it's applied to male characters in a way that appeals to women and not men. Do you think Fifa would sell if it was the equivalent of a waifu game? Imagine all the soccer players as beautiful husbandos making sexual panting sounds. Would that be something moids would like and endorse and "look past the sexual parts to enjoy the gameplay"? Why do we need to constantly do this in almost every single game?
No. 368824
>>368822so you cant? then stop pretendind we live in some magical world where female sexualization is an extremely rare thing.
>>368823literally how is pointing out that most female characters in videogames are sexualized a fetish?
No. 368832
>>368830this isnt the thread for this, do you guys not read the OP?
>>368829>No I can’t name a female character as ugly as Kratos, that doesn’t mean “most games” have fanservice. yes it does. It proves women in videogames can't exist unless they are pleasing to the player, meanwhile are allowed to be bald, fat, disgusting and completly non-sexualized. The most popular female mc in videogames are all turbo sexualized. And even when companies try to make ''diverse'' fmc they still don't make them as ugly and unsexualized as the men like in Overwatch.
No. 368834
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also, speaking of overwatch. Ashe is supposed to be a year older than mcree, but yet she looks like her daughter. Dont get me started on how her skin tight outfit accentuates her figure, compared to mccree who has a poncho.
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>>368834the fact in the animated short they didn't even give ashe any pores while mccree did.
No. 368837
>>368832If your definition of fanservice/sexualization is a female character that’s not as ugly as kratos then yeah I guess. That’s still leaving out tons of games that don’t have characters, have completely abstract representations of characters or have completely neutral representations of both.
>>368832I think there’s worse issues than this one honestly, one of them being that women just give up before even trying anything more niche or complicated because of the culture around it.
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also, ana is supposed to be 60yo yet has less wrinkles than most of the male characters who are 30 years younger. Moids think this is still too much btw and call overwatch a ''woke feminazi'' game even though it has the same amount of female sexualization, if not more, than coomer moid pandering garbage like korean mmos. If overwatch is considered a ''woke feminazi game with ugly female characters'' then you will imagine how the average game treats its female characters.
No. 368840
>>368832But like yeah everybody knows this shit already. Blizzard has been doing it since Starcraft and Warcraft.
They're never going to change, and you're not going to change the male players minds either so it's just best to try and ignore it for your own sanity.
No. 368855
>>368854considering you gave those two games as examples i dont think you know what non sexualized means.
>>368853stardew valley is the second most played game on steam and it has been criticized several times for having ugly male love interests meanwhile the female ones are just pretty samefaced girls
No. 368872
>>368868all of my male friends play games yet none of them plays rts, they play normie gay shit like Dota2 and LOL. It's like you don't realize RTS are extremely niche and autistic and even most men don't play them.
>Sorry I don’t think the way to do that is to dangle anime boys in front of their facesI will give this example again since you seem to ignore points that contradict you. Shmups used to be considered a dead arcade genre until it got a resurgence thanks to doujin shmups like touhou. Most people that play shmups nowdays got into it thanks to touhou, even women, because guess what? having attractive characters instead of autistic scifi battleships is more appealing to the casual gamer.
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>>368872I know but I don’t care about moids!! And what they do!! I don’t want more moid friends lol. I have one moid in my group that plays the same games I do. I’m also not a dev or anything but I think people in general should be more willing to step outside their comfort zone. I’ve also barely played touhou but doesn’t the gameplay look like picrel? How often do you see the characters?
No. 368881
>>368877then idk introduce your female friends to RTS games. What the fuck are we supposed to do about women not playing autistic niche games that even most men dont want to play lol
>How often do you see the characters?most people play touhou because they see fanart of the characters and get curious about the lore
No. 368886
>>368881I mean yeah I didn’t come in here asking for advice, just expressing a sentiment. I think women have a bit of learned helplessness with technology in general. A lot of them seem to think the feds will find them if they torrent.
>>368881Fair, but then you could just release touhou VNs that would fulfill the same function, it’s not really about the gameplay.
No. 368888
>>368882ok then whats the issue? also women do play more games that either have no sexualization or have male sexualization(hades, FF, TLOZ, RE).
>>368886>Fair, but then you could just release touhou VNs that would fulfill the same function, it’s not really about the gameplay.i am sorry anon i dont care if i catch a ban but you are actually fucking retarded. I dont know how many times i have to explain it to you, but making something more appealing will get casuals to try your game. People decide try touhou despite not liking shmups because they get drawn in by either the characters, the lore, or the music. If touhou was a generic battleship shmup or a VN it wouldn't have had the same impact in people. It's just a perfect mix of things that attract casuals and engaging gameplay that makes it the go to for casual gamers that want to play shmups.
No. 368900
>>368888I don't know what the problem is. If I had to guess it's a mix of not knowing about it, feeling intimidated, or not willing to try new things. There is also of course the main point that the average gamer just plays easy slop, male or female, which is fine. I realise my perspective is sort of unorthodox even among gamers. I do find it odd more women aren't into puzzle/strategy/management type games actually because they're non violent problem solving. Also I guess my dream would be to find a group to play Diplomacy with.
To your second point though that's just it- that's great if people want to do that and revive dead genres and build lore around it and whatever, but to me that's window dressing. So it wouldn't be about the core gameplay anymore. Which is the only reason I play games.
No. 368932
>>368900>the average gamer just plays easy slop, male or female, which is fine.If you understand this then why
>I do find it odd more women aren't into puzzle/strategy/management type games actually because they're non violent problem solving.is this so odd? Most people enjoy narratives and characters, it's not that deep. As a player of niche autistic games myself, I don't see what's so surprising that in a hobby with few women, there are even fewer women in a niche area.
No. 369021
>>368932Most people enjoy narratives over other games and that's why the most popular games on steam aside from outliers like Baldur's gate are all mostly multiplayer ones devoid of story and character development while multiplayer games blow the popularity of single player ones out of the fucking water.
>Valorant>CSGO>Dota>PUBG>Apex Legends>Overwatch>The Finals>GTA online>TF2>That Chinese PVP game etc.The only single player games on the steam charts are Stardew Valley and Baldur's Gate if it's still up there. Most people who play games period are still male. Most males enjoy score whoring hierarchical games that organize your worth by rank and most gamers have the attention spans of gnats and are impressionable apes who will copy whatever the other cool dogs do so developers have acted on this monkey demand along with lootbox gambling culture. Rockstar and Valve in particular learned that they didn't have to make new games if they pivoted to making and upkeeping online slop and appeasing the dog hierarchal order of males biology which lends popularity to super cereal competitive gaming.
No. 369266
>>369038I don't think the hierarchy thing is necessarily a bad thing, competition isn't bad per se in games, my point was it resulted from male biology being projected onto pixels, kek. I play some of the games listed on top of the steam charts but multiplayer games topping the charts is not simply just a result of replay value and skill ceiling imo.
Singleplayer games can have prolonged lives like Stardew Valley, every Fallout game, probably The Sims is up there since its a sandbox and there's no market competition for life simulation games, and Baldur's Gate which has at least a hundred hours of content and replay value. Replay value is a factor that results in concurrent popularity but multiplayer games are favored by in large due to the attention seeking behavior of gamers needing validation from others, the short attention span and fickleness of gamers where one class based shooter replaces the next and the next and the tribal hierarchy of most of the moids playing the game. Multiplayer games whether they're PvP or PvE still fulfill that self-validating itch. There's been an uptick of meme streamer games that reflect this change in culture imo and that's why you don't see well crafted linear based story and character driven single player games as much anymore. Moids bitch about how Rockstar hasn't made a GTA game in a decade or any polished linear story based game like L.A Noire but then proceed to rot their brains on GTA online. Though I'd like to see more linear story based games I've been scarred by a lot of recent dogshit that consumers lap up because of the absolute feral demand for games, but it's quantity over quality. Gaming earns more than movies and music combined as a industry but most writing is bad anyways and this isn't something that's specific to games as a medium. Women are handled terribly in almost all game media, there's still the same tired prototypical story tropes that pervade all media, and little subversion. There's fake performative wokeness that infects everything but the same misognyistic tropes rehashed since two decades ago. They're a reflection of reality and the current cultural climate. You're honestly better off making your own game at this point but no one has the attention span for that shit so consumers will always far out weigh demand for games.
No. 369276
>>369038I don't think the hierarchy thing is necessarily a bad thing, competition isn't bad per se in games, my point was it resulted from male biology being projected onto pixels, kek. I play some of the games listed on top of the steam charts but multiplayer games topping the charts is not simply just a result of replay value and skill ceiling imo.
Singleplayer games can have prolonged lives like Stardew Valley, every Fallout game, probably The Sims is up there since its a sandbox and there's no market competition for life simulation games, and Baldur's Gate which has at least a hundred hours of content and replay value. Replay value is a factor that results in concurrent popularity but multiplayer games are favored by in large due to the attention seeking behavior of gamers needing validation from others, the short attention span and fickleness of gamers where one class based shooter replaces the next and the next and the tribal hierarchy of most of the moids playing the game. Multiplayer games whether they're PvP or PvE still fulfill that self-validating itch. There's been an uptick of meme streamer games that reflect this change in culture imo and that's why you don't see well crafted linear based story and character driven single player games as much anymore. Moids bitch about how Rockstar hasn't made a GTA game in a decade or any polished linear story based game like L.A Noire but then proceed to rot their brains on GTA online. Though I'd like to see more linear story based games I've been scarred by a lot of recent dogshit that consumers lap up because of the absolute feral demand for games, but it's quantity over quality. Gaming earns more than movies and music combined as a industry but most writing is bad anyways and this isn't something that's specific to games as a medium. Women are handled terribly in almost all game media, there's still the same tired prototypical story tropes that pervade all media, and little subversion. There's fake performative wokeness that infects everything but the same misognyistic tropes rehashed since two decades ago. They're a reflection of reality and the current cultural climate. You're honestly better off making your own game at this point but no one has the attention span for that shit so consumers will always far out weigh demand for games.
No. 370664
>>370657Yeah, they wouldn't care about that game if it didn't have a character like that which….what is even the point? Moids already have the possibility to play and create sexy female characters if they want. It feels like Atomic Heart, just trash that earned money because of lazy coom, play an actual porn game at this point or use coom mods in a decent game kek. Wanting to play X game just because the character looks like a sexy waifu, what absolute fags.
Also as an actual waifufag i will never stop saying how her design sucks, absolute nonsense mess, she could stand in front of a mossy rock and i wouldn't be able to spot her.
No. 370716
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>>370700i care about andersen-san
No. 370722
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>>370718every april fools I pray they do more andersen fanservice, give my hag the panchira he rightfully deserves
No. 370768
>>370761you're being ridiculous
>>370722I've already replied with that silly Metal Gear joke but the quality is really nice, love the uniform, shame that i'm one of those nonas who doesn't like beard and his eyes are a bit too deep set to me but thank you for sharing this moiderino.
No. 370884
>>370775Which designs are you talking about nonna? I'm not really familiar with the games aside from Lobotomy Corp and a bit of Limbus Company. I dropped the series after last years controversy with the Korean moids losing it over the Ishmael ID for the summer event.
I know Angela, Rodion and Faust have pretty large chests but I didn't think much of them since they aren't dressed skimpily.
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>>370775agreed. They look so weird too.
No. 371066
>>370775it's one of the least sexist designs you can see from eastern devs
i dunno what you're smoking, but you just gotta look at what most japanese gacha characters look like and you might come to your senses.
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>>371069That's only true for some of them. In the same way that only a few female characters have a big chest
No. 371090
>>371073Chainsawman had a lesbian orgy as chapter art and female characters (and a trap) in lingerie, plus the groomer dommy mommy Makima shit was overtly sexual from the start. I think the only way you can compare say Limbus characters to Chainsawman ones is that they wear suits/uniforms, but from when I played it and from watching later story cutscenes after the summer event fiasco I can't remember the female characters ever being fetishized.
I don't think anyone's arguing that Project Moon is good after last summer, but compared to the other current popular gacha, Limbus is almost puritan.
No. 371173
>>371066I was actually talking about LoR
Angela/Sayo/Meow/Katriel/Olga
It all made me uncomfortable
No. 372149
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Scrotes are seething over this lesbian Kotaku writer thinking aphrodite's design while criticizing stellerblade. The difference is that scrotes have 0 self control and have to make every woman coombait even when it doesn't make sense. If Hades was an AAA game demeter would be designed to look much younger and would have a revealing design.
Hades has hot male characters in revealing clothing (excluding hepheastus but he is a canon uggo). Something which couldn't be done in the God of War games because scrotes want every man to look like a 40 year old alcoholic divorcees.
No. 373981
>>373954>>373965It looks retarded, like their knees are glued together. It's clear it's supposed to be for modesty reasons but 2 of them aren't even wearing skirts.
BTW watermelons have very little calories so the massive difference in slices doesn't make sense except for manliness and daintiness reasons.
No. 377173
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This is why the hades vs stellar blade comparisons will never be the same. If coomers had their way EVERY female character in a game would have to be sexualized (and young).
Scrotes think if a woman is unattractive they don't have a place in video games, yet the average male videogame protag is an ugly self insert
No. 377179
>>377173Is that animu girl really meant to be Hestia?
That Hades design is great, full of references to coal and grilling. Making her an older, motherly woman also fits.
No. 377231
>>377222The only thing I'd personally get rid of is the white soot (birthmarks?) on her face/chest, because it feels like there's too much going on. The lipstick should be orange instead of white imo. These areminor complaints, though, and it seems fine otherwise. I like the detail where her hoopskirt looks like a brazier. Jen Zee (the lead character designer on Hades) is a million times more talented than whatever pervert designed the generic moeblobs in Danmachi, a shitty harem anime that was popular for like two seconds a decade ago. The only people who still like that shit are the sort of bottom feeding scrotoids who enjoy haremshit.
I think it's interesting that the gods age in the universe of Hades. Like Demeter, Hestia, and Kronos look old-ish, while Poseidon, Zeus, and Hades are middle-aged. Then you have the playable characters and their love interests, who are college age or young adults.
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Also while we're here, Hades II has no shortage of sexy female characters. Just look at Hera!
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>>377232but if you close your eyes…
No. 384173
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we don't live in a time period where women lack money, right? obviously the wage gap exists and women generally make less (?) but they're still getting paid. this should be common knowledge, so: why aren't there more games that pander exclusively to women? male rage aside…
but i actually wonder if male rage even factors into it when games like enstars and twisted wonderland are doing well. are companies just scared women won't have enough $$$ and time to waste on a high budget, exclusive gacha? i'd love something like genshin with nice designs and cute boys as far as the eye can see
No. 384213
>>384210Well, by their own admission most women don’t really play games for the gameplay but
for the characters and fandom which you don’t need to play the game to experience.
No. 384259
>>384195This might apply to the game devs, but I don't think the investors, and the people at the top of the company, really give a shit about the content of the games. The company could be making games about talking genderless toasters and investors would be fine with it so long as the games make them money.
If you convinced them that producing games for women would be more profitable, they'd stop pandering to men in a heartbeat.
No. 384269
>>384259And they're not going to because it's not more profitable as much as this thread hates it.
>"But [gachashit x] makes billions from women! Yuri on ice!"Gachashit will always have titles specifically for women because it is something women pay up for. Merch and laid back character collectors. When the more gameplay-heavy games don't land as well with women, but the borderline gameplayless games do, that gives devs no incentive to add more meaningful gameplay to female targeted games or add more pandering to female players in their gameplay centered games.
No. 384284
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>>384173because every time a game tries to men get pissed and throw temper tantrums
>>384269execpt its been proven that games that appeal to women get more female fans. Like hades, FF, LoZ, Devil may cry, Resident evil. Hell, KoF was saved by fujos.
No. 384345
>>384284>none of the first five series even come close to being more popular with women than menAnd see
>>384213. Women do fluff up fandoms which in turn aids merch sales for these games, but they're less likely to play them for the gameplay. In other words, they're less likely to actually play the games. In gachas too, female players are more likely to spend money on merch than whale in game unlike moids, and they'll buy
anything, whereas moids typically only shell out for figures. And that's with the east asian ultrabuyfag culture in mind, women in the west spend less money on games across the board, leaving western game companies even less incentivized to try appealing to them. As much as I'd love more fanservice that appeals to me in games, if I put myself in the position of a shareholder who only had making money in mind, I would question a company's descision to give a small minority of players an equal amount of pandering to their core audience who is offput by it unless the company planned to merchandise heavily to properly take advantage of it, and even then it's awkward when you think about how that minority would just as happily buy said merch for a game with next to no gameplay.
No. 384440
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>>384436you are talking out of you ass there are more female figures from fate than male ones. This is from the first page of mfc alone. There are 5 guys to 35 girls and astolfo
No. 384453
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>>384451you dont know about the tacky autism armours moids wear for their waifus? they make itabags look elegant
No. 384513
>>384173I think we are starting to see more games that appeal to women with the growth in popularity of "cozy games". The problem is that these games are not able to embrace female sexuality.
It's like developers see women as asexual by default and willing to accept anything as a good love interest. There's always an effort to make sure scrote's love interest appeal to them attractively.
But with women not only might the story be half hearted the designs are basic or downright ugly. There's decades of romcom media out there but game developers pretend that women don't have any standards for what they see as attractive. The new life is strange is a good example of this
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>>384517Agreed the problem with western games is they make male love interests who validate scrotes insecurities rather than pander to women. Stardew Valley is a good example of this
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>>384520the ugly faggot from baldurs gate deserves to be posted
No. 384549
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>>384517Unironically, even those have a good chance of looking better than female love interests.
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>>384549ew shirou, gilgamesh is the real mvp of fate
No. 384558
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>>384520This is why I always download mods to turn the men into kawiwi husbandos. The bachelorettes in sdv are beautiful then we have the most atrocious set of scrotes to pick from:
>Basement-dwelling discord mod>fat retard>the pringles guy>goku >guy that growls into a mic on tiktok for booktok hags>ugly roidpigElliot’s downgrade especially makes me want to alog.
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>>384560okay fatesperg time for bed
(derailing/infight bait) No. 384579
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>>384574its really sad because fate does have some delicious moids but its all ruined because of the coom shit
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>>384588Nta but yeah, kek. Older games are especially terrible about it. I love the witcher franchise but the first game has an atrocious concept where you get a collectible card like picrel every time you have sex with a different npc female.
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>>384592Same. I wasn't too mad at it when I played through it, I just wish we had the option to collect something like picrel for ourselves kek. We need more male sexualization in media.
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>>384560Ironically enough back when fsn was an eroge the female characters actually had really good designs, spare medusa's coomery design but she's a nun compared to modern fate women. Anything past that is shit tho
No. 384653
>>384607>MedusaI personally never found her design to be too bad in the VN at least, and she looks really cute in her casual clothes.
The problem with modern Fate designs is that 99% of modern Fate is FGO and FGO needs coom to sell because it's a gacha, they also have a lot of different artists on board which is why art quality and designs tend to fluctuate greatly.
No. 384745
>>384741kill yourself retard this stupid thought process is why all female-orientated games are boring slop like animal crossing and starshit valley
>game mechanics aren’t their primary reason for playing gamesthis is the case for many female gamers, actually. real gamers. in the same way a guy who just plays genshin/aaa is a normie slop casual non-gamer a woman who just plays cookie clicker is also a casual, and shouldn't be considered "gamers". real gamers like challenge. see: women loving LoL, souls games, obscure horror titles, etc.
(infighting) No. 384763
>>384751>>384753No. I played 2018 and ragnarok and there is absolutely no sex, he isn't even touchy with his wife when she appears. It wouldn't make sense to put that crap there either cus the focus is his son who accompanies him everywhere the entire 18 game and most of ragnarok, imagine ditching the kid so you could have sex wtf, it also would cheapen his relationship with his recently dead wife and the whole mourning thing. Idk if moids complained about the lack of nasty minigames but they sure are vocal about not wanting the franchise getting a remake because they fear it will be censored, and since the fight scenes are as gorey as in the original games I am sure they're talking about the sex minigame.
Anyway even without sex scenes in the 18 and ragnarok males still make sex jokes, the whole atreus (kratos teenage son)
turning into a wolf and fucking his two female wolves comes to mind, it's a popular "joke", men are complete degenerates, even when they're put in the role of a father they still manage to have despicable thoughts.
No. 384773
>>384745It’s not a thought process, it’s how it is, it doesn’t mean I agree with it or want it to be this way. But the casual Stawdew valley slop you mentioned is what’s popular with women for a reason. It’s not a top down effect. Though I think women would enjoy strategy more if they knew about it. It’s more of a statistics thing really. But even in this thread soemone said women prefer fandoms and creating things to playing games competitively .
>>384772>can’t shoot people then they’re not interested So… gameplay then? Lol
No. 384785
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>men LIKE gameplay because they're autistic losers with shit taste
>nevermind, men DON'T LIKE gameplay because they only like that shitty meme game that blew up on niconico for memes and porn
>women LIKE gameplay because they play 3 resident evil games for leon
>okay nevermimd, women DON'T LIKE gameplay and ONLY play games for hot guys but that's fine because men DON'T LIKE GAMEPLAY either and only play games for hot girls
>MEN DON'T PLAY SINGLE PLAYER GAMES
>and yes, women still only play sims and animal crossing but those are REAL games, unlike tf2 and overwatch.
this sped's about to make me stroke out. the fuck did she mean by any of this. she has the continuity of a poorly made chatbot. maybe we do need a recaptcha system here after all.
No. 384787
>>384785what even is your definition of gamepplay? you seem to think when men play it=gameplay, but when women play it=no gameplay.
If women dont like gameplay why are they making fucking challenges for games like the sims?
No. 384788
>>384787i think the better question is what's yours as well as your definition of what a video game even is because now you've uno reversed the goalpost to
>overwatch does NOT have real gameplay but the sims 4 doeswhich is a take so weird it shows you aren't even familiar with the sims series somehow. can like you write a manifesto that you can cross reference or something because you changing your story up every 5 seconds makes you sound like someone's testing their c.ai lolcow infight bot on us without our consent. none of us can comprehend whatever it is you're trying to say.
No. 384796
>>384791>it's several anons shitting on youi don't know who you think i am but i'm just scrolling up and getting repeatedly confused by the word salad. it's several anons shitting on
you and i wasn't even one of them.
>unironically has male friends>ridiculously aggressive towards other women, calls us all a bunch of cocksucking nlog retards unprovokedmy ai theory coming in nicely
No. 384805
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>>384436>twisted wonderland and enstars make a large amount of their revenue through merch, that's why they release so much of it relative to moid gachasExcept in figures for some reason, I never got why but joseimuke characters very very rarely get scale figures. Meanwhile there's over 700 Azur Lane figures.
No. 384810
>>384806Also we have the age old issue where the audience for female figures is
both men and women while the audience for male figures is women only. Just look at the droves of female miku collectors
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>>384549>Liking the alarm clock hating misogynistHonestly all the guys in fate stay night are pretty trash, I do kinda get the argument for Archer though since he had a lot of shipbait with Rin and he's actually attractive
it always felt like Rin was just waiting for Emiya to turn into him anywayBut I also think Shinji is the FSN best character sooo…
No. 384814
>>384806I kind of get that argument (it would also explain why the most popular type of figure with women are nendoroids because they actually do figures for them and they're tiny) but at the same time there's plenty of women who just collect dupes of the same merch over and over again to have as a once a year shrine pic on said character's birthday and then have it in storage for the rest of the year.
>>384810That's also true, not counting shounen characters obviously since both men and women buy those.
At the same time though, the most popular cast off on MFC is Aoba rather than a female character so clearly there's a market for it (at least for fujos, no idea if yumes would also be interested)
No. 384817
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>>384806>>384805I always found this odd, it shouldn't be that rare to want good scale figures of either 3d or 2d male characters yet they go on making weird specific merch like picrel too (touken ranbu inspired) which seem more complicated and niche.
Also the topic of this thread is always going to cause some discussions at some point, they can't go on forever but i think that sometimes certain redtext are unfair. No. 384819
>>384817Touken Ranbu actually gets some pretty nice figures since Nitro+ actually cares about keeping their female fans happy and making as many figures as possible.
As for the watches and purses, some people just like a more subtle weeb look but want to buy the stuff related to their favorite franchises when possible.
No. 384820
>>384811They were pretty clearly just talking design wise and comparing it to
>>384513 and
>>384520 No. 384822
>>384819Yeah i know about the ones you've mentioned, they have stuff about other videogames but i didn't want to derail by talking about anime or mostly just visual novel serieses.
>Some people just like a more subtle weeb look but want to buy the stuff related to their favorite franchises when possible.I'm the same, but i still think that there should be the possibility to also buy good scale figures like it happens with series that are more aimed at moids, no wonder magical girl franchises still get a pass since lots of men are into it too.
No. 384826
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>>384821This reminds me a bit of how i often see official cosplayers for certain female characters in events, but male characters always get cardboards cutouts kek. I know that asking for decent official male cosplayers is too much, but the push for official female cosplayers always weirded me out and seemed unnecessary.
Sorry if the male examples has some kind of nobodies, i'm sure i could find better pictures of more popular franchises but finding the pictures of the cutouts is a bit troublesome.
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>>384805azure lane is pure coomship but the figures all look very well-made and pretty, its makes me kinda jealous. i need picrel as a well-made figure, sexo rinne is essential for my well-being
No. 384924
>>384741Oh whatever, me and other anons are getting sick of you repeating this without any proof besides your own beliefs. The issue is that not a lot of women play games to begin with.
We already discussed why some women are potentially turned away from games last thread and I don't feel like going in circles. Everyone who plays a game, enjoys the gameplay at some extent, they wouldn't play it otherwise, there's no proof you need to show to make sure you like the gameplay, it's that simple. Why are you putting women under a microscope and analyzing their gameplay enjoyment? Why do women need to prove they gameplay love and devotion based on what
you consider gameplay? You should consider that most people aren't into niche games and it's not a gender issue, that's what most of us are trying to explain. Think in percentages and not in total numbers.
If anecdotal evidence means so much to you (since you seem to base your opinion on that), I got two normie female friends who play the sims and animal crossing, but they love age of empires and civilization, these interests aren't mutually exclusive.
Honestly you're kind of pissing me off already and I don't want to catch a ban like other anons, but we already discussed this last thread. The fact you don't find women to play your RTS games is a you problem, your experience with your niche games are not a gender problem. I play niche games as well and I think you're missing the point on how few people play them to begin with.
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>>384947nta but building a pretty house in sims can also be hard and especially time consuming. you think you could just start the sims and build a house like this?
No. 384998
>>384924Why are you all talking about RTS? Who even mentioned RTS? In my experience, both online and IRL, most women play games for the story or the characters and see gameplay as either an obstacle or something they tolerate for the story. Most men I talk to, online and IRL, play games primarily for the game mechanics whatever they may be. I don't have statistics for something like this, honestly I dont know how you'd measure it, but the fact that practically every woman I meet (not every but most of them) doesn't know what I'm talking about when I bring up hearthstone for example but half the men I meet do is enough for me. You can't have it both ways, either I'm a cringe nlog for enjoying games primarily for gameplay or ackthually women all really like gameplay even though the games I hear them talk about the most have little to no gameplay elements, yes even compared to average casual slop like valorant. So you can't really be surprised mechanically challenging or involved games don't pander to women. As for why this is, I have some ideas, but I'm not interested in opening a teach-girls-to-enjoy-game-mechanics-camp or something. If someone isn't interested I'm not going to preach to them, but I am going to say don't be surprised.
No. 385015
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>>384773>Though I think women would enjoy strategy more if they knew about it.This. I play The Sims, farming sims and other "girly" games, but I also love Civ series, Crusader Kings, X-Com, Rimworld, etc. I love games with strong strategic or "managerial" aspect to them (which is also why many girly games appeal to me). I wish more women would discover these games. but I think the militaristic/stats-autims look of these games puts a lot of them off, sadly. I've noticed that Civilization series tends to attract more women, perhaps because it's more colorful and approachable.
Man, I need to reinstall X-COM 2.
No. 385109
>>385015tbh i played a ton of RTS games as a kid and kept trying them even as an adult and still enjoyed them. i tried to get into civ but just couldn't. as an adult, RTS games as a genre don't usually interest me.
right now, i'm really enjoying kenshi and i would hardly call that "pretty". it's all about the worldbuilding of the game for me.
No. 385143
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>>385128Yes, but some anons in the thread seem to be confusing rts with other strategy games.
As not to derail further, how do gamer nonnas feel about "detective" games like for example Return of the Obra Dinn? I think this is another avenue that might appeal more to female audience if they were only able to find these types of games. I'm really looking forward to The Rise of The Golden Idol.
No. 385299
>>385265No, you're just assuming that because women don't play your superior niche games they don't like games for their game play. Animal crossing, Kirby, Sims, etc have like no story but women will sink countless hours into them. If there's no plot then what could it be other than gameplay keeping them playing? Every woman I've met who likes Zelda games likes them for the puzzles and dungeons and fighting enemies. Even plot heavy games like final fantasy women I know enjoy them for the dungeons/puzzles/boss fights. Just because you struggle meeting women into your turbo autist games doesn't mean your love for them is somehow more pure and
valid. And maybe, just maybe, you struggle making female friends into the same games is because you're an insufferable arrogant loser.
No. 385305
I think that an assumption that women wouldn't like strategic and gameplay-oriented games is not true. It's just that they are not tailored for women's likes. I'm huge into strategies and I knew a few women who do too.
It's just that I feel women are mostly into tycoons, city building sims and general stuff like that.
If we are talking about earlier games, there was a portion of women who adored Pharoah/Ceaser/Zeus and Rollercoaster Tycoon.
It's just that mil sims and military strategies bore women to death. I admit, I feel the same way. Total War is booring and I never understood how anyone can enjoy it.
IMHO, most women who play games like that, play them for autistic customization and micromanagement, and like creating stuff rather than moving armies around.
Maybe some women do like that, again, for each on their own, as women are not a hivemind.
It even shows in the paradox community, where CK has a sizable female player base, while HOI is a huge sausage party. After CK, Cities are also relatively popular. It's just that yout average strategy playing woman more enjoys creating stuff from the ground up and seeing her creation develop in her vision rather than autistically painting maps.
Although, I noticed that TBS like XCOM also garnered some fangirls. But it's because XCOM overall is a very cool series.
No. 385359
>>385317>>385305What anons have been saying though is that this is not a female only phenomena. Those games bore most male gamers to death as well. Games have just historically catered to men so there's more of them playing games period. More men playing games in general = more men playing niche autistic games. Less women playing games = less women playing niche autistic games. Why is this so hard to understand.
And like other anons have said, a lot of women aren't open about playing these games because they want to avoid the type of men that play them and the women like the nlog upthread.
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Though I’m an unrepentant shotafag, I really wish that non shota male characters could be given lewd outfits as well. It’s already rare enough enough as is, and when it does happen it’s more often than not a shota. Hell, even in female targeted games/vns it’s rare which is absolutely ridiculous. I assume it’s because shotas are nonthreatening whereas skimpy teenage/adult male characters trigger the holy council of scrotes(shotasperging )
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With gamergates ten year anniversary coming up, how do you guys feel about her now?
No. 388143
>>387639mad to think what gamergates effect was
correct me if im wrong but didnt it all started because some people got pissed off about games companies paying for good reviews from video game sites and magazines
No. 388547
>>387639She's a stupid bitch still who slept with greasy gamer dudes for a good game review. Her and Anita throw a lot of women under the bus for their own agenda. Anita did almost zero research for her videos and they were hard to watch.
>>388543Pretty much this.
No. 388624
>>387639My opinion on her has softened over the years, but I still stand by the fact that she was a hack who slept her way to the top. Not as bad as Anita though, she was a bonafide grifter with no talent. Both were narcissistic normies exploiting a community for their own gain and ruined the talk about sexism in video games forever by weaponizing it for their own business instead of genuine interest for women's rights.
As for gamergate itself, it was a movement that meant good, but ultimately opened the gates for not only the occupy wallstreet opportunists, but also actual neo-nazis and white supremacist who both made it into their battleground.
>>388600Nope. Zoe did a ton of vile stuff, including intentionally sabotaging other female developers and their game jams and pocketed money meant for her own Rebel Game Jam that never happened. If she was as relevant today as she was 10 years ago, she would definitely have an active thread here. The post-gamergate dudebro audience targeted a lot of innocent women who were flamed over petty garbage like that bullyhunter girl but Zoe was not one of them.
No. 388632
>>388624This. I don't have an autistic hateboner for Anita or Zoe, they're grifters that just came at the right time and place. I do unironically think they set females in the gaming community back with their shenanigans. For a time it felt like women couldn't really talk about anything related to videogames without men in the community invalidating women's opinions because "Woke bad" and on the other side of the spectrum either having your opinions ignored because it wasn't the same surface level clickbait topics of the time or being given the most infantilizing/demeaning responses because of said grifters ruining public perception of females within the gaming community.
I think nowadays compared to the early to mid 2000s when balloon tits, jiggle physics, and poorly animated cutscenes were the bane of a lot of people's existences, the sexualization of female characters has been significantly toned down in western video games.
No. 388633
>>387639She is a grifter opportunist and in the last 10 years she made Gamergate her whole personality and grift despite claiming otherwise. If you compare her to other women who have been
victim of online harrassment it's night and day. She has all the traits of a narcissist and talking about her feels like falling into her trap.
If you think about it, every relevant figure of GamerGate ended up being a grifter, Milo Yannapoulis (or whatever his surname was; another narcissist on top of it) even went on to become a semi-famous right wing grifter in the US.
Gamergate as a whole was the beginning of the end for the videogame fandom, when politics started poisoning every discourse and when topics such as sexism or fanservice couldn't be discussed anymore without summoning a horde of mouth-frothing retarded moids. It showed that Millennial moids were a big apolitical mass that have now been radicalized into following anything that caters to their immediate feelings. How many gamer gaters are now uwu trans ladies uwu, I wonder?
It was one of the most embarrassing online moid shitshows and one of the first steps of gaming and nerd outlets being tainted by political psyops (the roots were there before, but it was with gamergate that it all flourished).
All in all, I hate it and we have it worse now.
No. 388661
>>388660I also watched several of her videos way before gamergate was a thing and her videos were shit. She was somewhat popular on tumblr at the time which is how I heard about her in the first place.
>she was just making normie feminism 101 type media critiquesThat's precisely the issue. People need to stick to talking about topics they actually know about instead of saying "video games are le bad because… uh….. because Lara Croft has triangle boobs!" for 20 minutes per video. I'd rather listen to constructive criticism from women who are into video games as a hobby and not as a side gig.
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>>388699I for one think the top 2 most pressing issues are definitely game companies making the assess of male characters .01% smaller and the absence of female ugly bastards because that's a vidya problem and not a worldwide problem with media as a whole including, nay, especially that which is made by and for women themselves, and I LOVE this based thread! it makes moids seethe!
No. 388752
>>388661I don't think her content was amazing or anything like that. Very basic media criticism that could've helped some young women and girls become more aware of the boxes that we're put in media. I appreciate coming across her content when I was younger, as she put into words some abstract, uneasy feelings I had about some portrayals of women on media but I didn't know hot formulate those thoughts. I was never on Tumblr so maybe that's why her content at the time felt new to me.
You don't think an "outsider" could critique games on the elements she does have a grasp on, such as the overt sexualization (Lara Croft's triangle boobs as you said kek), weak characterizations and the lack of agency in narratives? Those things happen to female characters across the board in media and idt you need to be an expert hobbyist to be able to point it out and critique it.
>>388663I don't feel scammed since I never spent any money on her content. I found value in her videos when I was younger and felt bad for all the shit she had to endure.
It's crazy that it's been over a decade and women itt can say that her or Quinn (I don't know much about her since I wasn't into games and the discourse at that time) made things worse for the games landscape or blame them for what happened. You can say Sarkeesian's videos are shit or that Quinn was a dishonest whore trying to get promo for her awful game but even if that's true, the response from males was completely unjustified and disproportionate.
No. 388763
>>388699Personally, I think fanservice is mostly a non-issue. I like 2b, Classic Lara Croft, Ivy Valentine and a lot of other characters people would call sexualized. On the other hand, I find actual sex scenes (Like in Baldur's Gate 3 or the old God of War games) to be gross and cringey. However, while the sex stuff in Baldur's Gate 3 grossed ME out, apparently a lot of other women actually liked it. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference.
I think there are three things we can all agree on though:
1)games need more hot guys
2)Moids need to be less
toxic and stop scaring women out of the hobby
3)no more troon shit
No. 388867
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>>388763It's an issue the same way the female class, irl, is seen as ornamental kek. Moid developers are too insecure with their masculinity to openly sexualize male characters the same way. I get so frustrated at the shitty bikini female armor (and boring male armor) in older monster hunter games.
A tangent. I'm annoyed when the gender player options have the men walking normally and the girls walking in a way moids who have never seen a woman think how we walk. Gets me all dysmorphic.
No. 388891
>>388867>when the gender player options have the men walking normally and the girls walking in a way moids who have never seen a woman think how we walkThat shit drives me insane. I remember spending hours creating my character on dragon age inquisition only to restart it as soon as I saw the female character walking as if she was some model on the catwalk while men walked normal, it seriously annoyed me since I don't remember walking being this exaggerated in the old games. Not entirely the same but kinda, on mass effect: the fucking ugly ass lashes that stay even if you get rid of all makeup, also how male shepard is all strong and female shepard looks like a twig. I also noticed how some characters talk to female shepard differently than they do to male shepard, and you bet that made me play a much more ruthless shepard when playing female. You mean to tell me we got this 'equality' thing everyone loves talking about but women still get to hear misoginistic bullshit? Make up your mind, either we left that crap behind or the future is just like the jetsons envisioned: crazy tech but everything else is still the same and women are still the bottom of the barrel. I don't wanna hear about how women get to do shit, I wanna see it and do it without having to listen to some aliens talking like human scrotes.
What is equality anyway in futuristic settings? No separated bathrooms based on sex (cus women naked in front of men is so progressive, nevermind the setting still shows rape, prostitution and porn as things that exists and happen almost exclusively to women) and women getting violently killed or tortured on screen? Never seen that before…
Men don't seem to spend more than a minute thinking why things are the way they are, why women behave the way they do and what would need to be changed (and how) for them to behave a certain way, nah, gotta spend more time writing some "realistic" dragons, just call it equality, they can take a beating now just like men, equal rights ftw.
Back on topic I also hate so much when games make that sliding thing for the characters and all it does for female characters is making their breasts bigger or giving them more curves, no muscles in sight and when it's there looks like they just gave up, put the male template and call it a day.
No. 388894
>>388763I think for me it’s
1. How unplayable multiplayer games are
2. How hostile the community and especially the industry is
3. The culture war bullshit that infects everything
I honestly genuinely do not care about husbandos. Though if that is your passion, I also don’t care if you crusade for it, it just doesn’t affect me.
No. 388897
>>388752I was well into my 20's when Gamergate happened and I was able to make my own judgement based on what I witnessed and I still remember how it went down before the movement was hijacked by Neogaf breadtubers, Milo Yiannopoulos and his grunts and Stormfront faggots. Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian were both grifters on par with Brianna Wu and that's it, no amount of whitewashing history will change it. They made it difficult for women in the gaming community who genuinely care about feminist issues but also love the medium to be heard because they were caught with their pants down multiple times and got rightfully ridiculed for it - both were indifferent to or outright hated video games and looked down on them, Zoe Quinn absolutely exploited her simp connections to forward her career like pulling strings to get her shitty text game greenlit on Steam despite it being rejected at first and had unprofessional journalists in prolific places hype it up, and she did the same to drive her female competition out like she did with her Rebel game jam that she used just to pump money on her personal paypal account.
Anita Sarkeesian knew next to nothing about video games and had horrible media literacy and media analysis skills, reducing potential issues with sexism in video games into shitty clickbait titles nobody could take seriously. She could've used her position to talk about issues in depth and to cover things like sexism in the industry and done genuine investigative journalism but instead she took the "hurr why are girl characters damsel in distresses all the time???" talking points and ran with it ragebait was the easiest road to take. It's not like she was wrong with her points because female representation in video games was abysmal at the point, but it was done in such an egregious and insincere way it didn't resonate with women who actually did play video games and only fed off the gamerbros generating hateviews. That's called a grift.
No. 388922
>>388756>>388892>>388897ayrt, thanks for your perspectives. At the time GG happened I wasn't a part of the gaming scene, so from my point of view it looked like an outrageous reaction to some harmless pop feminist media critique. I can understand from your point of view Anita coming in as "an outsider", trying to present herself as an expert on the medium and in your opinion not doing a great job, that that would be grating. Especially since if/when she fumbled it would be twisted to represent all women in games. That must've sucked.
I still maintain that the main takeaway from GG is male entitlement and how far their mob mentality can go unchecked, however I also now understand nonas who felt slighted by Sarkeesian and Quinn and want to critique them.
>They and their dissenters were the pioneers of the dreaded breadtube.kek I've definitely enjoyed some breadtube videos. I agree though that Feminist frequency content seems like a precursor to them. And for sure, if you dislike the concept/find them shitty then you definitely wouldn't have liked her content.
Thanks again nonas for taking the time to explain your viewpoint.
No. 388934
>>388891All women are born with glued on eyelashes and heels raised to accommodate high heels from birth according to game devs.
> You mean to tell me we got this 'equality' thing everyone loves talking about but women still get to hear misoginistic bullshit? For real kek. If everyone had equal opportunity, women wouldn't be wearing idol costume bikinis as armor or something. I don't play the same games as you but you are seen and heard, nonita.
>>388894I've always envied the moids who post vids playing multiplayer online holdfast or mordhau and have funny silly interactions on vc. Hurts a lot that I will never experience that with my sisters, even moreso because I'm now an adult and don't have much free time.
No. 388943
>>388923>m-muh metokur muh shuwu Did anyone deny they were grifters too? No? Anons were pretty much implicating that the movement attracted nothing but grifters on all sides. Even back then everyone was calling shoeonhead and her cronies out for doing it, and Metokur himself got a ton of shit for dipping out "early" (because his girlfriend was doxxed) and retards like Sargon and Ethan Ralph never let him live it down, not even to this day. And to his credit, at least he was passionate about video games despite being a piece of shit.
>>388922You'd be surprised at how many both breadtubers AND altright channels (who were called the "skeptics" back then) got their start during Gamergate. None of them gave a shit about video games, both sides saw them as mindless entertainment for loser nerds but were more than happy to exploit and weaponize the sides of the community for their resources be it money or exposition. Like take pretty much any breadtuber or right wing tuber in their late 20's or older, you'll be able to trace their career back to gamergate for sure.
>Especially since if/when she fumbled it would be twisted to represent all women in games. That must've sucked.That was what was so absolutely fucked about it. Female representation in games AND the gaming industry was almost nonexistent and this was the shit we got for the first time when women in gaming came up for the first time in a non-pornified way. Two normie grifters who despised video games were the most prolific people talking about women in gaming. Absolutely made me seethe, still does.
No. 388975
>>388974Ntayrt but I believe she meant the classic
>fuck around & find outI mean don't try to clip your nails with a shotgun and then try to blame the manufacturer
No. 388978
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So the Silent Hill 2 remake.
Angela looks more chubby and much younger than she did in the original and they clearly have some kind of shif in the artstyle to change her face entirely but I guess that's fine, the turtleneck fits the sexual assault survivor trope more (they cover up and maybe even make themselves look more unattractive) and that's fine it fits I guess.
But then they made the nurses and Maria less sexy when that was the point of them. Like I get midriff and report print aren't popular anymore but the dress and coat combo is too modest for Maria's role as a literal moid sex fantasy.
No. 388988
>>388976This.
>"b-but when I was 11 and watched her vids I thought they were very informative and you guys sound like scrotes tbh umu"Retarded. How much you wanna bet they'd be riding Brianna Wu's girldick too if it was a strap-on instead of the real thing? We've known a lot of the most vocal anons ITT are shitheads for a minute now but come on.
No. 388989
>>388978Oh I didn't know her outfit was based on a real one! Who's the person on the left?
Also I think this outfit was fine. It's not even that sexual, just a bit tacky.
No. 388997
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>>388989It's Christina Aguilera from the teen choice awards in 1999, and Maria being based on an actual physical outfit a celebrity wore is very clever
No. 389007
>>388960Remember the female reviewer who they tried getting fired for giving gta a 9/10, even if plenty of other reviewers didn't give the game a 10 at the time? Thankfully for that woman, she didn't live in Korea, so she didn't lose her job. I've played games all my life, and they tolerated us more because nobody spoke up against anything they liked. If you dared to mildly criticize something, you were in for a lot of shit. You can still go by like this, all you have to do is not complain.
>>388973nta but they'll say every woman is a cheater if their ex cheated on them. It wasn't about anita and zoe, they were already being aggressive and not listening, they just had a new direction to point their finger as the reason. They know rapists and bad men are the exception, but why did they discredit other women because of them? They never listened to women, they never cared, and they were the ones lumping women into a group of "feminists evil!" and proceeding to deny the reality in front of them.
I never liked Zoe and her pretentious game even before the controversy and I never cared for Anita, she was just one of the many women dipping their toes in feminism at the time and making surface level takes on the media around them. Remember the obsession with bechdel test? Or the women posing with controller sticks and lingerie? I never liked them, but they didn't affect me directly as the men who justify their hatred with that.
No. 389016
>>389010ayrt and honestly didn't remember much of the controversy, maybe I shouldn't have used the cheating example kek. WhatI meant was every guy who discredited other serious women tackling women issues in the industry because of Zoe and Anita, was never even listening. They make exceptions for bad men and say those don't reflect the whole industry, but they acted like Zoe and Anita were the norm for all women. I still dislike Zoe and Anita, I do think they overplayed the
victim because they knew the
victim card was part of what made them notorious and they fed it. Ironically the men who viciously hated them were the ones who gave them their notoriety.
No. 389526
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how did game development shift so heavily male? from what I've researched during the early history of game development, women played a more proportionate role in the industry, it was only the Japanese Industry that was 99% male
In fact you could argue that women have influenced video games more than men. Jane Jensen, Roberta Williams, Kim Swift, Corrinne Yu, Carol Shaw, Jade Raymond, Amy Hennig all played a huge role in early gaming, I mean Roberta Williams single handedly(with some help from her husband) revolutionised gaming and created a new genre while she was a housewife
No. 392018
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Any nonnies been following the Midori saga? For those not in the know, a Sega/Atlus leaker who went by the name of Midori was just outed as a white man who pretended to be a Japanese woman on Twitter.
It's pissing me off because I keep seeing comments about how pretending to be a woman online is fine, it's the pretending to be Japanese part that is ~problematic (picrel). Of course the video game community is infested with trannies so I assume most of the people saying this are TIMs who don't want people to think about how fucking creepy and weird it is for a man to pretend to be a woman online (Midori even made a bunch of "teehee stop hitting on me silly boys I already have a boyfriend" tweets kek). I've also seen people act like maybe the man behind Midori was "exploring their gender". Fucking bleak.
No. 404064
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everything about zzz makes me fucking seethe. mihoyo took the money from their 50/50 male female playerbases and put it into this. are putting it into this. even the male characters are male-pandering. christ
No. 404101
>>404068I don't get the appeal either but they wanna use waterkuma's art to powercreep pedobait n46561651 so who knows
>>404082The studio is based on Montreal and it's not surprising this shit baits trannies and fat smelly moids. Have you seen the android lolibait? Why is Billy allowed to look like a regular android but she looks like a complete throwable sex doll? Glad I haven't downloaded this shit.
No. 404110
>>404064Oh she's jiggling all over the place but at least she's fully clothed.
There's the First Descendant where all the girls have maid outfits to buy but of course the male characters are all fully covered.
>>404082>Canadianshey, my #1 husbando was designed by a Canadian…
No. 404120
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>>404110the game has panty shots
No. 404456
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>>404064>Be Mihoyo>Pander to the bottom of the barrel gooner incels with your stupid Honkai Impact game full of lolis, sexy big tit women and yuribait>One of them gets so possessive over his waifu being put in a bunny suit he enters the Mihoyo HQ with a knife intending to stab people>Get so spooked over this happening that your next game is made for a more unisex audience with a more balanced character gender ratio and female characters that don't look nowhere near as coomery as in your previous game>Launch Genshin Impact with multiple consecutive bishounen banners to get all the fujos and yumes creating free advertising material for you and paying for the banners >Milk the insanely popular franchise for a few years to become a multibillion company>The CEO is still salty over not being able to put his male power fantasy self insert (Welt) into Honkai Impact because they literally start receiving death threats over a questionnaire asking if the players would be fine with a playable male character>Funnel the money printed by Genshin Impact into creating Honkai: Star Rail, an alternative universe spinoff of Honkai Impact with some returning Honkai characters including Da Wei's personal self insert being added to the permanent banner of the game and given the role of one of the main characters>Apply the same "consecutive male banners at launch tactic" you did with Genshin because you believe that both Star Rail and Genshin will generate infinite amounts of money (spoiler: outside of China HSR stagnated immediately and started sucking Genshin players' money because players don't suddenly get double income when playing two games and HSR is based on new units always powercreeping previous ones)>Asian gachacels are radicalizing more and more, constantly attacking Mihoyo for "ignoring" them when a new male character is introduced (despite always being followed by 5 armpit waifus) and going nuclear rage mode when a male playable character does more damage than a female one and hating one popular male character associated with cats to the point they start spamming cat torture videos and harassing/stalking anyone talking about him in a favorable light>Mihoyo tries playing both fields and rolls out 8 consecutive waifu banners on Genshin while dropping IRL collabs and merch sets meant to target female players in Asia, obviously scorning global audience>One of the male Star Rail writers is outed by Chinese players for bragging about purposefully trolling female fans by adding his retarded mary sue waifu into the game and making both popular BL ship characters have an obsession with her on his social media>Roll out ZZZ>The head artist is an open lolicon>Only one male character that's a human and he's an uggo (excluding the main character)>Tit and ass jiggle, cameltoes and nipples poking through tops everywhere>The blatant cartoonishly cringe coomery of the Canadian studio right there on the screen>The game heavily relies on monetization mechanics, way more than Genshin and Star Rail>Mihoyocucks still play it because "i-it.. it has diverse characters!" despite all women being babyfaced big booba waifus and desperate husbandofags cry tears of copium trying to coom to a literal furry because that's all they're going to get while fujos are attempting to stitch together material between him and the male MC who's the only non-ugly male in the gameMihoyo is too big to fail at this point but it genuinely makes me mald and seethe to think that they exploited a mixed sex audience and above all the amazing creative power of female fans to rocket into global fame from being just a game studio in Shanghai creating a niche waifu game, only to spit in their faces and go back to sucking the crusty cocks of incels who are just one careless event costume away from going into domestic terrorism.
No. 404458
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>>404457It was Baiheng. He added her into that Cloud Quintet chapter that basically had every single member in it fall in love with her and go extremely out of character just to simp for her (Especially Dan Feng), both male and female. It made a lot of Chinese female players in particular angry because they understood all the subtext better than global players and because she was an unapologetic Mary Sue being loved by everyone and having superpowers that made no sense like being able to predict future and basically being unbeatable despite being a regular Foxian.
No. 404470
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>>404458Who's willing to bet that this moid just wanted to put his cringe donut steel OC into the game and then went "um yes this was totally 5D chess to own the female players all along" kek. Ironically there didn't seem to be THAT much fanart or anything when I googled her so good for him I guess?
No. 404531
>>404456I thought they made an otome game at some point. Did it underperform or something?
>>404458After seeing this it's not surprising that they'd return to their roots but it's still annoying. I don't even know why they bothered adding male characters that aren't the MC to their new game tbh. I know they'll get money no matter what but it seems like they just want this game to appeal to males so what's the point of trying to appeal to others in such a half-assed way? I made the mistake of playing a gacha game with a similarly unbalanced gender ratio so I can't even judge the women that are doing it but it's sad. It will never get better.
>>404516>incels are much more likely to get what they want because people are way more likely to sympathize with their demands than with women.Reminds me of those gacha game gender war videos. They were filled with so much sympathy for the male gamers that were pitching fits and trying to ruin the lives of women for the crime of not being pandered to 24/7.
No. 404732
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This was so unnecessary. I know "ackshually the party escort bot did that" but still completely unnecessary. I know the bar is on the floor but I always appreciated 2000s Valve games for having normal looking female characters.
No. 404914
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>>404866I saw that fags video when it premiered and so many viewers thought that the "nikke is a feminist game" was a bit and a dig at korean coomers…until he shilled it again. he calls himself a "lawyer" but doesn't feel gross promoting a coomer game with child characters like picrel in it
and yes they show child ass No. 404994
>>404914>picrelEvery time shit like this gets put in an obviously coomer-oriented game people start claiming that her sexualization is in YOUR head and YOU'RE the pedo for even thinking that way about her. And you bet Nikke players did the exact thing.
As for the Nikke shilling, it was hilarious how like two days after his video went up Nikke was hit with a controversy of firing female artists because incels in their delusional state saw what could be the pinching hand gesture. Who would've thought that a game company making a game all about looking at girls' bared asses while they shoot at things would be sexist?
No. 404998
>>404914Wait, nikke is feminist? Since when?
>>404994Adding a child into a coomer gacha game was intentional. They know enough about their audience to check off every sick fetishes these moids have. It's why genshin doesn't have a shota model since forever because they know cute little girls sell but they won't every say it.
No. 406167
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forgot about snowbreak. men seethe so hard about da ebil foojos ruining their sexy anime women but shit like this is everywhere. so entitled
No. 406186
>>405006As much as ZZZ is trash, at least it's filtering the "sapphic" fags with its's total lack of troonlesbo pandering. It still exist but only if you squint and take everything at face value.
I'd much rather all-male female gazey gachaslop exist than yet another braindead waifu collector where troons and their lackeys can goon over how feminist it is. Gacha should've never left the east.
>>406167Thanks, I hate it.
No. 406478
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Remember Tower of Fantasy? The first "Genshin killer" action fantasy game that basically ripped the entire gameplay and assets off and faked google reviews to get an excellent app score? Apparently they stopped releasing male characters entirely and went the full goonpandering route with its "dorm mode" where you can just ogle the female characters wearing sexy lingerie, basically took the porn route. Why do companies choose to pander to this kind of men only? There's so much competition in that market to begin with, why not tap into the market of female gaming? I don't like otome games personally but Love and Deepspace is literally printing money at the moment, it's not like women aren't willing to cough up the money if you just gave them what they wanted. It genuinely has to be only misogyny at this point, no amount of "but waifus sell best" cope will convince me otherwise.
No. 406665
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>>406478afaik Love and Deepspace is literally the first otome gacha (first otome period?) to include action combat and I think that's a big reason it's doing so well. It's been doing quite well financially the whole time its been out but specifically for July it got second in gacha revenue, beating out even genshin and starrail (which are admittedly in somewhat dead patches). It should be HUGE that a husbando game can do this well. A lot of the guys seeing these results aren't even considering that this is JUST the yume market of female gamers LaDS is feeding off of too. Also I hope mihoyo is kicking themselves seeing LaDS's success compared to their shitty low effort otome gacha of their own. I'm not fully satisfied with LaDS myself, but it should be obvious to anyone looking at it's success that it's due to a company finally putting reasonable effort in a game for women
No. 406844
>>406788>dont like playing on mobile.If you have a good computer you can emulate with Mumu player or one of the other android emulators.
That's how I play cause my tablets too low spec.
No. 406960
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>>406697>>406699I don't know if any of this has been posted about before, but for some context, Snowbreak was a pretty generic third-person shooter unknown both overseas and in China, and was on the verge of death until a couple months ago when they announced their intent to pander to coomers and stirred up a lot of drama in China. "有男不玩" or "Yǒu nán bù wán" means something like "don't play with men" and became a slogan on places like Tieba, meaning "I won't play your gacha game if there are any men in it (because it will become as gay as Genshin)." Picrel is the current icon of the largest Genshin-related subforum on Tieba, which used to just say "farewell gayshit."
Snowbreak caught onto this by pandering hard to this demographic & it resurrected the game, so this is probably the highest it's ever been. (It's mostly a PC game anyway, I think those sales charts are for mobile).
No. 406990
>>406186>Gacha should've never left the eastMy moid senses are tingling on this one
>>406478Company retardation. Instead of fully milking the route Papergames did with LADS, they'd rather stay in their comfort area with the same recycled VTuber designs.
>>406665This is even more humiliating considering Tears of Themis was on anniversary period and still didn't make it in the top 10. If they step up their game, they could remain invincible on the gacha market.
>>406701That's because ZZZ just started. I've seen AO3 stats and the shippers are filtered hard. The most popular ship is het and it's incest. Not even the furrybait managed to raise interest.
No. 408511
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A tweet someone I follow posted. Apparently the men in the chinese fandom of Persona are so bad they even doxxed a 18yo girl.
Can't say I'm surprised after all the things you all posted here (and in other threads) about the chinese videogame companies, but it still sucks to see. My best wishes to our sisters at the other side of the ocean.
No. 412471
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How do nonnies feel about Haunting Ground? I see a lot of video essays about this game saying how it's a commentary on young women getting sexualized and have their bodies commodified but no matter how much I squint I still don't see it as anything else but break the cutie torture porn that some of the devs probably got off to. It's not the same level of symbolism as Silent Hill 3 was, and it's not the kind of portraying harsh experiences of growing up female as Rule of Rose was, it just fails to connect with me as some kind of a "girl horror" game when the meek and scared protagonist is dressed up in skimpy clothing with ridiculous jiggle physics and ends up being brutalized in every death scene, heavily implied to have been raped and killed, and the entire plot revolves around everyone wanting to practically fuck her with the only female antagonist being jealous of her womb. I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but next to SH3 and RoR it just feels nefarious.
No. 413526
>>412471It's rape fetish porn and every female youtuber who copes or over-intellectualizes it to the point of thinking it's worth making massive videos over is a terminal stage pick-me.
I won't even accept the "but muh spiritual successor to clock tower!" shit because there's a pretty clear difference between a modestly clothed girl getting chased by a mutant with scissors… to a girl wearing THAT being chased by killers that all conveniently seem to embody some fetish when they kill her.
No. 419184
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https://www.pcgamer.com/games/adventure/the-sony-state-of-play-open-world-dress-up-adventure-game-and-the-rpg-where-you-carry-a-child-on-your-back-are-both-headed-for-pc/I hate it when scrotes find out about a video game (or show, whetever) targeted at a female audience and then act like it's the funniest, silliest shit in the world, making as many cringe-worthy comments about it as they can in every paragraph, instead of just fucking reporting on it more neutrally, like "this is an adventure/dress-up game" because it's just one more game among many others, there's nothing new or weird about it. They might think they're being funny drawing attention to how girly and non-violent this fashion-centered game is, but they're doing the same they've always done, which is to make fun of things that are for women and girls and act like those things are inferior because they're not about killing and raping everything in your path. Even if they don't straight up say "girls and their video games are so dumb and lame", they're making these games and their female playerbases sound like outsiders, aliens, or retarded babies.
>>412471This sounds like that Metamorphosis hentai manga where all sorts of horrible things happen to the protagonist, and some people had their theories about it being social commentary, until that coomer The Anime Man interviewed the author, and he basically was like "lol there's no message, I just wanted to draw torture porn".
No. 419290
>>419210>mad over nothingIn case you didn't notice, the guy was clearly being sarcastic about wanting to be a pretty princess or whatever the fuck.
>>419213They're like that particular type of brony that acted like they were super special and unique for liking MLP.
>>419225NTA, I don't play the Nikki games at all and last time I played a dress up game was when I was a kid. But this is undeniably a game that's 100% targeted to girls and women, and it appears that it's very high quality too.
It's not my cup of tea but that's a different topic altogether. I don't personally like this genre either (I don't even play Animal Crossing which is another hit with female gamers), and I've seen the infight that happened in the last thread due to dumb misunderstandings from both parties. But the female audience that is into this kind of thing has every right to get quality video games that are respected and not shat on by the rest of the industry. So yeah, the game is about fashion. So what?
As for last thread's infight, the harsh truth is that most women don't like violence and war as much as moids do. That's why those kinds of video games don't get very popular with women. There's also the fact that male gamers have been the gatekeepers of the whole hobby for decades and this has fostered a misogynistic culture that many women reasonably want to avoid. Another factor is that anything to do with computers, including video games, is seen as a male thing, so less women grow up learning about and liking computers than men. Also, a lot of mainstream video games are moid power fantasies and/or have shitty female characters, so of course less women play them. I could go on and on. It's all these factors that contribute to women vastly preferring "casual" games and games that neither you or I consider "cool". I also wish more women played the games I like (and on lc I've found a lot of them) so I wouldn't feel so lonely, but I'm not about to shit on other women for not liking games with a higher difficulty that encourage competitiveness.
No. 419292
>>406525>commodified self-insertionThe fuck does this even mean?
The appeal of actual dating simulators (
not VNs like most otome games are) is the strategizing and time managing to unlock neat rewards (events, CGs…). That's actual gameplay, even if it's just about numbers at its core, kinda like RPGs. Non-action gameplay is still gameplay, some of us find VNs boring as fuck even if "you" can self-insert and have a fictional harem of boys, but there's something about simulation/stat raising games in general that we find entertaining so we prefer otome
dating sims (
actual dating sims). If that's still not your thing, it's fine, but I hate this generalization that all games that are primarily about romance/where the end goal is romance are boring slideshows with zero gameplay. And Love & Deepspace in particular has tons of different game modes that don't involve reading through the story, including puzzle and action.
>>406665I'm fucking ecstatic, I hope this convinces other game devs to pander to us more. I hope LaDS will keep succeeding.
>>406217>and when a few manage to avoid that they kick and scream like entitled babies.And then the devs usually listen to their mantrums and censor the fuck out of manservice and/or or add the waifushit fanservice back.
>>419230Yes, and it's not something minor either. Honestly the main story isn't even half of the game at this point. If you're a daily player you'll probably have to clear battles almost every day. Every week for sure. I've seen people compare the combat to Genshin Impact, but I've never played that one, so I don't know how accurate that comparison is. For me, the romantic events (what the devs call "dates") are secondary and I spend most of my time in-game doing other shit like playing the minigames and doing battles.
>>419243>combat isn't really something you'd be doing as part of your dailiesReally? Shit, combat is kind of the most entertaining part of the game for me. It's piss easy (as long as your memories are high level) but very fun. I try to do battles as often as I can.
No. 419376
>>419364Why do you have a hateboner against girlcore games
nonny? Could you perhaps be a moid, hm? Girlcore is more
valid than any moidslop, where all there is to do is rape and shoot women
(bait/scrotefoiling) No. 419377
>>419364>>419372I'm not defending it at all in the slightest so dont misunderstand, but sometimes I do feel like women themselves encourage/play into this stuff. For example, when Love and Deepspace recently introduced a rougelike mode, the comments during the live stream and in the replies of the official posts were like
>???? this is too confusing/hard>HAHA im too dumb to get thisand even the japanese comments were like
>wtf this is an otome game I don't want complicated gameplayAll over a basic rougelike mode that once you actually play it basically handholds you how to do it, there's even a toggle option to "simplify text" that describes character abilities. Idk. I just feel some frustration towards women sometimes who don't want to explore new stuff themselves and treat it like "a moid's thing" when there's a lot to enjoy out there besides basic VNs, simple simulator games, etc.
No. 419385
>>419184>>419220I feel like it's the remainders a lot of scrotes have of gamergate. And now it's just a another mockery in the industry so scrotes feel inclined to shit on anything approaching women oriented games or anything even tangentially touching on being supportive of women's interest in games.
Or I'm just retarded.
That being said I am so sick of watching video game analysis and anything from 2014-2015 and they have to make an obligatory joke about how cringe women were during gamer gate and equating them to the bully hunter shit. While I agree there was a lot of bull shit virtue signalling (especially from thirsty crusty scrotes but that's not as funny as women caring about things I guess), but the conversation bears having that portrayals of women in games and women in the industry is shit.
No. 419395
>>419364I think that anon is just stating how the games are seen and marketed. If that game didn't look like that, that moid journalist wouldn't have made that condescending comment. Gendered marketing is not only a game issue, it's a broad societal issue. Most people are not gender critical and they truly believe pink girl, blue boy, unfortunately.
>>419377I have a tinfoil on why a lot of women feel insecure about gameplay difficulty. Moids act like they are so good at difficult games and that's not even true. Over the years the normal difficulty has been lowered because the average player isn't that good. Yet nobody is scrutinizing men's braindead gameplay, they do it to women because there's this idea that women suck at games. So when women fail, people mock them way more. Men fail, and they'll get told they suck, but it won't be pinned against their whole identity as some intrinsic flaw, also men are completely delusional and don't acknowledge when they are terrible players. Differently from women who tend to care more about other's opinions in general.
There's also an issue that every game relies on a bunch of common game knowledge since they constantly borrow from each other. I remember some guy on yt who convinced his gf to play BoTW without having played any other game and she struggled with very simple concepts at first, she obviously learned and picked up, but anyone who grew up playing games would know them intuitively. It wasn't her fault or her being dumb, it's just a new set of rules that some aren't acquainted with. Men don't take any of this into consideration when it's a woman playing, they'll just mock her and spam women coffee memes. If you're a woman in a gaming space your bar is much higher, I can't fully blame some of them for believing it's too hard or feeling intimidated. Men are not nearly as criticized and when they fail, they won't hear even half of the nasty shit women get told.
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>>419364I also feel it's condescending to call easy pink girly games "girlcore" or whatever, I rarely (if ever) play those games. I honestly don't like the label. But I don't like shitting on those games either. It's not easy to criticize the label without insulting the games and the players that enjoy them in the process.
Games for women and girls shouldn't
only be that, but it should be fine for those games to exist as well (without them being considered "
the" genre for female audiences). It's not like casual games for moids don't exist.
Anyway, I just said Infinity Nikki is aimed at women (and shat on because of this), not that they're the only games that are or should be for women. I feel like scrote journos like that one would still shit on a challenging game aimed at women if it had an unapologetically girly aesthetic and cute anime boys.
>>419377>roguelikeftfyI also think a specific subgroup of female players play into it, and unfortunately they end up making us all look stupid. But tbh gachashit games are mostly about doing your dailies (which should be quick) to unlock waifu/husbando content, and adding too much complexity to the ways of getting rewards can get frustrating to the majority of the players who will probably think of it as more effort and time wasted. That's not to say that none of those comments were based on internalized sexism, though, especially the "uguuuu I'm too dumb to get this" ones. Just embarrassing.
On the other hand, there
are cases where the female players that actually want challenge in their games criticize dumbed-down gameplay in female-oriented games, see picrel for a Japanese review of KimiKiri (unrelated to the current discussion but still releavent to the thread and game:
https://x.com/otomebunny/status/888698429248905217)
The retards who said "this is an otome game" as if that was a reason to make it require zero effort on your part don't know shit about otome. The first game in the genre was a simulation game and it'd probably be called too complex by most current otomefags. Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side is also a simulation game with more depth than Love & Deepspace and it was a huge hit in Japan. So a game being otome is not an excuse for it being little more than a boring slideshow. I really wanted to like otome, since I like self-inserting and the concept of romancing cute guys in video games, but most of the shit being released now is just novels with pictures so there's no incentive for me to keep reading. It's not a "game" at all. If I wanted just the story I'd go read a manga or watch an anime instead. Meanwhile, a simulation game meshes well with self-insertion because it gives more freedom and lets you make your own decisions, plus more unexpected things happen from a gameplay perspective. Imagine what other kinds of fun gameplay we could have in otome alone if we got rid of this perception that it shouldn't require any effort to "play" whatsoever, let alone non-otome video games for women.
>>419395>There's also an issue that every game relies on a bunch of common game knowledge since they constantly borrow from each other. I remember some guy on yt who convinced his gf to play BoTW without having played any other game and she struggled with very simple concepts at first, she obviously learned and picked up, but anyone who grew up playing games would know them intuitively.This. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but a lot of this is due to women usually not being socialized and raised in the same way as moids. The average woman is less familiar with video games than men because computers and games and other geeky techy stuff are seen as a male thing. Any woman can get addicted to video games once you teach her how to play and give her time to get used to the logic of video games (and don't judge her or make her feel stupid). This happened to my mom when she was younger, actually. After a female friend of hers introduced her to it, she loved Tomb Raider even though she's not a gamer at all and is less familiar with geek hobbies than my dad. And both men and women can be clueless about video games, or dislike "hardcore" games, especially older people (my dad hates anything more complex and time-consuming than Tetris).
No. 420481
>>420476Dehumanization is to a certain extent, considered gross.
Bl vns that do dehumanize the male characters to a similiar extent exist, you can guess what it would have and why many women would not like that.
No. 420482
>>420480What type of woman wants a game where she's more objectified than the sexy men in it?
>>420481>Bl vns that do dehumanize the male characters to a similiar extent exist, you can guess what it would have and why many women would not like that.Names? The ones I've played thus far overly humanize their male characters. The only women I can see not being into fictional moids being dehumanized are pickme bitches who suck up to moids despite them being as disgusting as they are.
No. 420493
>>420482>What type of woman wants a game where she's more objectified than the sexy men in it?A japanese yume?
>only cocksucking pickme bitches don't like the porn I like because I need to feel like I'm one-upping scrotes even when I'm alone playing a dating sim in my dirty bedroom at 3amHeckin' baste stacy! Before we decide we like something, we should factor in how it makes 4chan incels feel. If it doesn't piss them off enough that means it's unbased and we need to find something else.
No. 420501
>>420493KEK so true
nonnie, I don't like anything scrotes like. Scrotes are so angry that I only enjoy cute and sexy bishies and not something disgustain like yumeshit. Nevermind that a lot of the bishies I love were created by moids…ugh, they just don't get these characters
No. 420611
>>420476I just want them both to be well-dressed tbh. Is that so hard to do for devs? Keep the guys dressed modestly, while NOT having the female characters (esp. the protagonist) show unnecessary skin?? Of course, if the game is targeted at women, and the point is romance/sex, the women shouldn't be sexualized at all, and the men should at least appear in a state of undress every now and then, and with camera angles that objectify them through the protagonist's POV. Moids do this so easily but it frustrates me when female creators choose to include the woman in the objectifying process or even make her more prominent than the male.
But I guess it's extremely difficult for most otome devs (dunno about BL) to even imagine such a thing since we're all so brainwashed by mainstream culture and society into seeing women as sex objects first and foremost. Only relatively few women, who have broken free from social programming (whether they have always found sex roles ridiculous or learned about it in adulthood), are capable of seeing through the bullshi and willing to demand change. I think if we want this situation to improve, at least in our niche hobbies, we should be louder about this on mainstream social media and make an effort to create our own content, especially video games and such, that show other women that it
is possible to make things for a female audience without portraying our sex as the designated passive and sexy "thing", or without equating the female sex with the act of sex itself.
>>420480>You know most of those games are made by the same people making the moid games, right?WTH are you talking about? AFAIK, most otome and BL games are written and illustrated by women.
Ironically, one of the best otome games as far as sexualization and other issues are concerned is Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side, which was created by moids, and (originally) just a gender-flipped version of Tokimeki Memorial, meaning that there was a lot of variety in love interests catering to girls with different tastes, and the protagonist was the active one while the love interests were passive. She also never even shows her face except in chibi form, so everything happens from your perspective and at no point is your character sexualized or focused on. And aside from the dress-up feature, the love interests don't even comment very much on your appearance (telling you that you're cute, finding your reactions endearing, pointing out that you're blushing, etc.).
They literally just took the galge formula and inverted the sexes, which should be the default. It shouldn't be more complicated than that, but somehow the otome genre ended up being more sexist than a game made by scrotes who also made dating sims for moids, and it's very sad to see.
>>420481I think what anon means is that a lot of effort is put into making the male characters as deep, human and likeable as possible. Sure, they might suffer a lot in BL games with lots of rape like the Nitro+Chiral games, but unless it's a fucked up nukige like Hadaka Shitsuji (made by a moid) or Masquerade Jigoku Gakuen Sodomu (which was inspired by a galge nukige with a similar premise and greatly influenced the Hadaka creator), the characters are just suffering humiliation and torture within the context of the story, but given that a lot of the story is dedicated to fleshing them out and making you empathize with them, in real life the readers are mostly going to like them as characters, whereas the female characters are usually just there as enemies or unthreatening friends. TBH I don't think there's anything surprising about this, since the point of both otome and BL games are the hot husbandos, so of course they're gonna be better written and have more focus than the female side characters
and the side male characters (who often get the same treatment as the female characters because they're not the focus either).
The problem is when those female characters all fill some sort of nasty stereotype and/or end up being sexualized for no reason, and even worse, when the protagonist herself is sexualized or encourages some sick fetish (like those old R18 otome games with loli protagonists).
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>>420493>A japanese yume?Japanese otome fans (not yumes in general, they're not interchangeable) and those who prefer Japanese otome games with all their sexism are clearly too used to it at this point to even see there's something wrong with the genre. And that's not just me saying it, but also Asian otome game players that have noticed this trend and don't like it.
See picrel (I apologize for the shitty automatic translation, I tried to clarify some mistranslated/unclear terms). There's a part where she basically says that a game like Love & Deepspace, where the protagonist isn't a doormat, is strong enough to protect the male love interests instead of being a useless damsel in distress, and in fact has agency and is the one that leads the relationship (no questions asked, like that's just the deafult), could only be possible outside Japan because of how bad sexism is in said country, even in media that is supposedly for women (I don't know how true that is, because I'm neither Japanese nor Chinese). Love & Deepspace may not be the ultimate perfect femdom/femgaze/feminist otome game or everyone's cup of tea, but she has a point. There are good things about the setting presented in that game that many other otome games lack, especially those coming from Japan.
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>>420617>Why are you so pissed that I enjoy seeing anime men in pain?NTA but she never said anything of the sort or criticize your choice to only consume media where moids aren't portrayed in a humanized way. You're the one who started shitting on other people's taste by calling those who aren't exactly like you "pickme bitches who suck up to moids despite being as disgusting as they are". You're just a disingenuous retard.
>vanillafagNothing wrong with not being pornsick. Not everyone is obsessed with rape and torture. God forbid some otome fans actually want to imagine themselves in a wholesome, healthy relationship with a cute anime boy.
>enjoys generic otome shit where the female lead is more sexualized while the male character is respectedThis is not equivalent to not wanting to see any character being dehumanized at all. There is a problem with female sexualization in many otome games, but this doesn't mean all otome fans are happy with this. Also, you're grossly exaggerating the situation.
>you think women can’t be sadists.No one claimed anything of the sort, you underaged moron. You're the embodiment of picrel.
Nice job evading anon's point that we don't always have to like things just to make scrotes seethe, btw.
Go back to TikTok, Xitter or whichever illiterate shithole website you came from, you clearly cannot hold a coherent conversation with people who aren't as obsessed with your favorite flavor of porn as you are.
(infighting) No. 420656
>>420616Honestly, Chinese games have became much better with creating content that panders to women, comparer to Japan where it feels far inferior except for BL vns.
>>420625>You're the one who started shitting on other people's taste by calling those who aren't exactly like you "pickme bitches who suck up to moids despite being as disgusting as they are". You're just a disingenuous retard.Women who enjoy oversexualized women being brutalized by moids or any diabolik lovers type shit are pickmes, yes.
>God forbid some otome fans actually want to imagine themselves in a wholesome, healthy relationship with a cute anime boy.We get it, you’re asexual. Your abnormality is not the default.
>This is not equivalent to not wanting to see any character being dehumanized at all.Okay and why does men being dehumanized bother you so much unless you suck up to moids already?
I’m simply stating I wish there were more joseimuke were moids are dehumanized and oversexualized like is the case with male oriented games, especially since (surprise surprise) I like most women have sexual desires.
>>420632>Go back seething about moids in burqas and women showing bare ankles and leave this threadHow is either of that a bad thing? God forbid I want a change to the status quo.
(infighting) No. 420703
>>420691No shit, they’re the center of my fantasies because I’m straight.
>>420701It was other people derailing me to twist my point, how the fuck is saying that women are objectified in games for men and men are humanized in games for women at all a controversial statement? I just want to see a change because I like seeing men be sexualized and objectified because I’m ATTRACTED TO MEN. I swear the people replying to me are genuine asexuals.
(ban evasion) No. 422563
>>422521I'm having a hard time finding female gamers that play the same games I do.
Last time I watched someone was Kpopp and that was nearly 10 years ago. I tried watching another girl Marz, but she got kinda boring for me.
No. 422941
>>422936>Saviivtuber, 30+, plays a variety of games, has the largest following but the streams are laid back and she has a consistent schedule
>hsaramostly plays resident evil, she's pretty good too. Her schedule isn't as consistent. Small channel, last I've been it's about 7-10 people tuned in
>daniegurlConsistent nightly streams. 30+, plays a lot of shooters, she's really funny. Has a thick Southern(?) accent. Small stream like hsara's.
I like other female streamers too but they mostly do cozy games.
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Someone posted the AI shit of Angela in /ot/ but the backlash against this scene reminds me of
>>412471. They don't want psychological horror. They want to get off. Perhaps psychology is too sophisticated and complicated for moids?
No. 424393
>>424384I'm not that anon but in terms of horror games some of the Resident Evil games are alright
>re3Jill has a goofy ass outfit but everyone has a goofy outfit in that generation of games, they kind of needed strong silhouettes to stand out given the graphics limitations of the time.
>re3 remakeArguably tried 'too hard' with the girlpower by changing Jill's personality, depending on who you ask.
>re1 remakeno issues there from what I remember.
>Re Revelations 2Claire and Moira were a nice duo, nice to see a sort of mentee/mentor relationship with two women
But then lots of other RE titles do have weird fanservice like Revelations 1, Re6 and Re8.
No. 424396
>>424384Yes.
SOMA
Penumbra series
FEAR
Dead Space 1&2
Darkwood
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>>424393Reminds me that re3 remake has a scene of an enemy called Drain Deimos, a giant mutated flea, that deepthroats Jill and infects her with its larvae. The scene is so sexualized I've seen it uploaded countless times on youtube with nasty comments and also modded with different female characters. Of course it's a monster only Jill faces, to nobody's suprise they aren't deepthroating Carlos.
To be fair, that anon
>>424133 specifically said psychological horror, which RE really doesn't fit into anyway.
No. 424402
>>424396Adding some games onto the list.
The original Silent Hill trilogy
Angela's backstory is handled tactfully and nothing is shown at all, you can completely skip the 2nd game if the subject matter bothers you too much thoIb
Mouthwashing
Outlast 1 and Whistleblower (the others are shit don't even bother)
The Amnesia series
Darkwood
Little Nightmares
No. 424410
>>424408I think the base games do try to present Leon and Chris attractively they just don't always hit the mark and they aren't consistent.
Personally, I never bought 6 because it's just a bad game but the weird sexualization is a good enough justification to not buy it. 8 just doesn't interest me, too much fantasy. I regret buying Revelations 1, the fan service is part of why I dropped it but I didn't know about it ahead of time. Also, it's a bad game. Funny how the bad games have the worst sexualization.
No. 424428
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What do you guys think about this?
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/Women-LedGamesShowcaseI just think the mascot is disgusting. Wearing stockings and hot pants for no reason to make her sexy? Why is she posing like that? It's a mess in terms of design, but it's also oversexualized despite being meant to represent female devs/players. It had potential, but imo it was ruined by coomshit/internalized male gaze.
Also look at their description kek
>Reviewing and celebrating games created by women and femme-identifying developers.I wouldn't want to look at this showcase either, because I wouldn't know if a game was made by trannies posing as real women to make dev teams look progressive, and the whole point of things like these is to support women. Actual women.
I know nothing about this Steam group but the fact that they have a mascot like this and explicitly allow trannies is very telling. And sadly this is the kind of thing that we have to settle for because women are too nice and tolerant and it'd be hard to organize in the same way scrotes would throw a large-scale mantrum if their events/groups/communities were represented by a sexy half-naked bishie with pointless zettai ryouiki. If women protested there'd be pickmes against them praising the sexy mascot and if women demanded male trannies not to be included, they'd be harassed to death. We can't fucking win.
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zzz once again releasing one (1) male-oriented male character amongst a fleet of scantily clad waifus. it’s to be expected but it really makes me seethe and i don’t get why mhy fangirls aren’t rioting, aren’t they angry their money is going towards this?
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>>424437Why aren't they scantly-clad like the women? I don't get Genshinfags, at least play Nu Carnival or something
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>>424445It's not dorontabi, dorontabi only worked for Blue Archive. They hired Waterkuma who also previously designed characters for gachashit like Azur Lane. Men in asia can be openly pedos and still land major art gigs but if a female artist says they are against spy cams and celebrate women's day they get fired. Sad.
No. 424449
>>424402>MouthwashingThe only woman is an incompetent? nurse who gets pregnant and kills herself so…>>424440I'm not a fujo.
Not like I care about ZZZ either. I don't spend money on gacha though, not even LADS.
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>>424440Nu carnival might be the only game if not media in general that oversexualizes its male characters like how women are oversexualized in everything and i love it for that. I'm shocked i haven't encountered much if any handmaidens, moids, and trannies complaining about MUH POOR OVERSEXUALIZED MOIDS. Farthest i've seen is tifs complaining about how there are no dilfs/fatties/trannies (ew).
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>>424471I can agree to some extent, I love his outfits but his body is offputting. I think it's the shota face with the muscular body kek, just go one way or the other. I'm a Reifag though.
No. 424489
>>424486Most of the time it just ends up with some autists getting annoyed and complaining for way too long about how it's actually bad, it's gotten to the point where I refuse to rec anything at all on this site because I know it'll just end up like that.
Just stick to talking about jjk, vns, eva, genshin, and modern anime bad.
No. 424502
>>424497Nigga are you retarded? How do you know that they're liking it for validation? You act like women can't be coomers and if they do they MUST be doing it for validiation, of all fucking things. It's easily accesible gachaslop, no one is pretending to like it. It's very sexist
>>424498Lmao how do the nucani guys look like baras. You aren't morally superior because you prefer suitmoids that abuse you, jfc. Either way I don't see the issue with liking stuff that pisses off moids it's funny
(infighting/derailing) No. 424519
>>424513>>424515This comeback doesn't make sense when nobody here fucking says anything directly to moids.
That's why you and everybody else bitches here.
The original point was that by constantly and only shilling the game as "moids hate it!" It makes you sound like a ironic fan that's
only into it because of that. If you seriously enjoy the game then talk about the game in the game thread, or at least something about the characters and not just repeating "internalized misogyny! Pickme! Suits! Muh moids!"
No. 424547
>>424535so true sister
>>424534homestar runner
No. 424562
>>424396>>424402It's been a long time since I played them, but where there women at all in the Penumbra/Amnesia games? Is it that they're positive to women since there are none to be sexualised in them?
FEAR is also an interesting choice. Wasn't there an infamous scene in which the evil girl shapeshifts into an older form and rapes the MC, from his POV?
Mb if I'm barking up the wrong tree. I'd like to add Pathologic but both games do have NPCs with skimpy steppe outfits.
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>>424603eh the issue is less that a bad thing happened to her and
more whenever a bad thing happens to a woman in media it’s always related to her gender rather than her character. it’s always rape or pregnancy or sex or her appearance. i don’t think it’s outright misogyny more so laziness. why explore a female character, just stuff her
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>>424603>>424703Nayrt but to be fair it's kinda implied
that Jimmy was also raping Curly whenever he went to give him his medicine. So at least it's not just her.