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No. 368628
Feel free to discuss and rant about:
>Instances of sexism in your favorite video games.>Instances of sexism in video games you don't like.>Sexism in the videogame industry.>Sexism within the emulation scene.>Videogames that are advertised as only for girls or only for boys.>Specific videogame developers and publishers.>Specific sexist videogame developers/emulator developers. >Differences between how women view sexism in videogames v.s. how men see sexism in videogames generally.>How your society views women and girls into playing and/or developing videogames.…and much more.
Videogames on consoles, emulators, computers and mobile devices are all welcome to be in this thread.
Please keep transgender sperging to a minimum. It is likely to derail the thread.
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>>>/m/259351 No. 368629
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>>368510It's clear as day these things are made with certain biases and intentions in mind. It's not that it just contributes badly to how men view women, it's that men's pre-existing misogyny makes its way into these games and the games clearly reflect that. The game you posted is a prime example. There's 5 female costumes in the new vindictus game, 3 of which are coombait, 2 of which are modest, only one is of a heavier armor type. Meanwhile the male counterpart (the one that's on the actual promo of the game interestingly enough) has three almost identical outfits, where he's burqa tier covered in heavy armor and you can't even see his face. Vindictus and other coomer korean mmos actually have a pretty even gender distribution from my experience when playing them. Women like pretty female characters that koreans put out, aside from the coom they can make nice, elegant and classy outfits here and there and that's what I generally noticed actual female players put on their characters (unless they're in the game to just erp). Yet somehow, these games mostly cater to men. You don't need studies to notice this.
I will say vindictus would cater to their female audience with a few sexy male outfits too, but it's breadrcrumbs compared to what the male players get.
No. 368636
>>368634Because the men that make these big titty fertility goddess waifus are the same men that get offended if they see a finger pinching motion in their near vicinity. They want their women docile and dick hungry, and they'll get real women fired for it in real life. They're so fragile they can't even handle men being presented in the same way, as seen from the example posted in the last thread with that one final fantasy twink. If you've played korean mmos in the past you'd notice that they're slowly regressing when it comes to the general gender equality of fanservice which is just a reflection of korean society becoming more and more hostile to women becoming feminist.
I don't think games that are rated 18+ like vindictus will massively contribute to male radicalization against women, but they serve as a good mirror into their fragile egos. You seem to be more interested in baiting than having an actual discussion though so I'll leave it here.
No. 368688
>>368634Nobody should be forced to be part of the game devs jerking off material, if they want to make porny shit, they should do a porn game. Moids are more than capable of presenting diverse characters without turning them into sexual objects, why can't women want to be seen like that as well? So many women, including itt, have spoken out how uncomfortable they are to this double standard, wouldn't that be a reason by itself? What's the point of moids complaining few women play games when every games is clearly telling "you can stay, but you are not our audience". All that by itself should be enough of a reason. I personally always hated this, it's never equally applied to male characters. I don't personally want it to be applied to male characters, but the imbalance sends a clear message of what they see women as. I wonder why do you need studies on such a basic concept to grasp, maybe because some terms were parroted during the years, but seeing women as sexual objects is a very bad thing with plenty of studies on that. Look up how porn affects you brain. Why do men need this sexual gratification in most of their games? Is it because their brains are all rotted from porn? I heard the justification of this for years, "sex sells", but is it really sex as a whole being sold? It's not. It's male fantasy porn with no regards to the woman's interest. They don't want the men in their games to be sexual objects or appealing to women. I remember growing up, how many moids hated Leon and Raiden, because how dared some male character be pretty, to the point they always have to turn the pretty boys into depressed men with stubbles or fuck them up like ctyborg raiden to become "relatable" to salty moids. So if you are not convinced sexualization of these female characters is a bad thing, then why is it bad when it's applied to male characters in a way that appeals to women and not men. Do you think Fifa would sell if it was the equivalent of a waifu game? Imagine all the soccer players as beautiful husbandos making sexual panting sounds. Would that be something moids would like and endorse and "look past the sexual parts to enjoy the gameplay"? Why do we need to constantly do this in almost every single game?
No. 368824
>>368822so you cant? then stop pretendind we live in some magical world where female sexualization is an extremely rare thing.
>>368823literally how is pointing out that most female characters in videogames are sexualized a fetish?
No. 368832
>>368830this isnt the thread for this, do you guys not read the OP?
>>368829>No I can’t name a female character as ugly as Kratos, that doesn’t mean “most games” have fanservice. yes it does. It proves women in videogames can't exist unless they are pleasing to the player, meanwhile are allowed to be bald, fat, disgusting and completly non-sexualized. The most popular female mc in videogames are all turbo sexualized. And even when companies try to make ''diverse'' fmc they still don't make them as ugly and unsexualized as the men like in Overwatch.
No. 368834
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also, speaking of overwatch. Ashe is supposed to be a year older than mcree, but yet she looks like her daughter. Dont get me started on how her skin tight outfit accentuates her figure, compared to mccree who has a poncho.
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>>368834the fact in the animated short they didn't even give ashe any pores while mccree did.
No. 368837
>>368832If your definition of fanservice/sexualization is a female character that’s not as ugly as kratos then yeah I guess. That’s still leaving out tons of games that don’t have characters, have completely abstract representations of characters or have completely neutral representations of both.
>>368832I think there’s worse issues than this one honestly, one of them being that women just give up before even trying anything more niche or complicated because of the culture around it.
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also, ana is supposed to be 60yo yet has less wrinkles than most of the male characters who are 30 years younger. Moids think this is still too much btw and call overwatch a ''woke feminazi'' game even though it has the same amount of female sexualization, if not more, than coomer moid pandering garbage like korean mmos. If overwatch is considered a ''woke feminazi game with ugly female characters'' then you will imagine how the average game treats its female characters.
No. 368840
>>368832But like yeah everybody knows this shit already. Blizzard has been doing it since Starcraft and Warcraft.
They're never going to change, and you're not going to change the male players minds either so it's just best to try and ignore it for your own sanity.
No. 368855
>>368854considering you gave those two games as examples i dont think you know what non sexualized means.
>>368853stardew valley is the second most played game on steam and it has been criticized several times for having ugly male love interests meanwhile the female ones are just pretty samefaced girls
No. 368872
>>368868all of my male friends play games yet none of them plays rts, they play normie gay shit like Dota2 and LOL. It's like you don't realize RTS are extremely niche and autistic and even most men don't play them.
>Sorry I don’t think the way to do that is to dangle anime boys in front of their facesI will give this example again since you seem to ignore points that contradict you. Shmups used to be considered a dead arcade genre until it got a resurgence thanks to doujin shmups like touhou. Most people that play shmups nowdays got into it thanks to touhou, even women, because guess what? having attractive characters instead of autistic scifi battleships is more appealing to the casual gamer.
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>>368872I know but I don’t care about moids!! And what they do!! I don’t want more moid friends lol. I have one moid in my group that plays the same games I do. I’m also not a dev or anything but I think people in general should be more willing to step outside their comfort zone. I’ve also barely played touhou but doesn’t the gameplay look like picrel? How often do you see the characters?
No. 368881
>>368877then idk introduce your female friends to RTS games. What the fuck are we supposed to do about women not playing autistic niche games that even most men dont want to play lol
>How often do you see the characters?most people play touhou because they see fanart of the characters and get curious about the lore
No. 368886
>>368881I mean yeah I didn’t come in here asking for advice, just expressing a sentiment. I think women have a bit of learned helplessness with technology in general. A lot of them seem to think the feds will find them if they torrent.
>>368881Fair, but then you could just release touhou VNs that would fulfill the same function, it’s not really about the gameplay.
No. 368888
>>368882ok then whats the issue? also women do play more games that either have no sexualization or have male sexualization(hades, FF, TLOZ, RE).
>>368886>Fair, but then you could just release touhou VNs that would fulfill the same function, it’s not really about the gameplay.i am sorry anon i dont care if i catch a ban but you are actually fucking retarded. I dont know how many times i have to explain it to you, but making something more appealing will get casuals to try your game. People decide try touhou despite not liking shmups because they get drawn in by either the characters, the lore, or the music. If touhou was a generic battleship shmup or a VN it wouldn't have had the same impact in people. It's just a perfect mix of things that attract casuals and engaging gameplay that makes it the go to for casual gamers that want to play shmups.
No. 368900
>>368888I don't know what the problem is. If I had to guess it's a mix of not knowing about it, feeling intimidated, or not willing to try new things. There is also of course the main point that the average gamer just plays easy slop, male or female, which is fine. I realise my perspective is sort of unorthodox even among gamers. I do find it odd more women aren't into puzzle/strategy/management type games actually because they're non violent problem solving. Also I guess my dream would be to find a group to play Diplomacy with.
To your second point though that's just it- that's great if people want to do that and revive dead genres and build lore around it and whatever, but to me that's window dressing. So it wouldn't be about the core gameplay anymore. Which is the only reason I play games.
No. 368932
>>368900>the average gamer just plays easy slop, male or female, which is fine.If you understand this then why
>I do find it odd more women aren't into puzzle/strategy/management type games actually because they're non violent problem solving.is this so odd? Most people enjoy narratives and characters, it's not that deep. As a player of niche autistic games myself, I don't see what's so surprising that in a hobby with few women, there are even fewer women in a niche area.
No. 369021
>>368932Most people enjoy narratives over other games and that's why the most popular games on steam aside from outliers like Baldur's gate are all mostly multiplayer ones devoid of story and character development while multiplayer games blow the popularity of single player ones out of the fucking water.
>Valorant>CSGO>Dota>PUBG>Apex Legends>Overwatch>The Finals>GTA online>TF2>That Chinese PVP game etc.The only single player games on the steam charts are Stardew Valley and Baldur's Gate if it's still up there. Most people who play games period are still male. Most males enjoy score whoring hierarchical games that organize your worth by rank and most gamers have the attention spans of gnats and are impressionable apes who will copy whatever the other cool dogs do so developers have acted on this monkey demand along with lootbox gambling culture. Rockstar and Valve in particular learned that they didn't have to make new games if they pivoted to making and upkeeping online slop and appeasing the dog hierarchal order of males biology which lends popularity to super cereal competitive gaming.
No. 369266
>>369038I don't think the hierarchy thing is necessarily a bad thing, competition isn't bad per se in games, my point was it resulted from male biology being projected onto pixels, kek. I play some of the games listed on top of the steam charts but multiplayer games topping the charts is not simply just a result of replay value and skill ceiling imo.
Singleplayer games can have prolonged lives like Stardew Valley, every Fallout game, probably The Sims is up there since its a sandbox and there's no market competition for life simulation games, and Baldur's Gate which has at least a hundred hours of content and replay value. Replay value is a factor that results in concurrent popularity but multiplayer games are favored by in large due to the attention seeking behavior of gamers needing validation from others, the short attention span and fickleness of gamers where one class based shooter replaces the next and the next and the tribal hierarchy of most of the moids playing the game. Multiplayer games whether they're PvP or PvE still fulfill that self-validating itch. There's been an uptick of meme streamer games that reflect this change in culture imo and that's why you don't see well crafted linear based story and character driven single player games as much anymore. Moids bitch about how Rockstar hasn't made a GTA game in a decade or any polished linear story based game like L.A Noire but then proceed to rot their brains on GTA online. Though I'd like to see more linear story based games I've been scarred by a lot of recent dogshit that consumers lap up because of the absolute feral demand for games, but it's quantity over quality. Gaming earns more than movies and music combined as a industry but most writing is bad anyways and this isn't something that's specific to games as a medium. Women are handled terribly in almost all game media, there's still the same tired prototypical story tropes that pervade all media, and little subversion. There's fake performative wokeness that infects everything but the same misognyistic tropes rehashed since two decades ago. They're a reflection of reality and the current cultural climate. You're honestly better off making your own game at this point but no one has the attention span for that shit so consumers will always far out weigh demand for games.
No. 369276
>>369038I don't think the hierarchy thing is necessarily a bad thing, competition isn't bad per se in games, my point was it resulted from male biology being projected onto pixels, kek. I play some of the games listed on top of the steam charts but multiplayer games topping the charts is not simply just a result of replay value and skill ceiling imo.
Singleplayer games can have prolonged lives like Stardew Valley, every Fallout game, probably The Sims is up there since its a sandbox and there's no market competition for life simulation games, and Baldur's Gate which has at least a hundred hours of content and replay value. Replay value is a factor that results in concurrent popularity but multiplayer games are favored by in large due to the attention seeking behavior of gamers needing validation from others, the short attention span and fickleness of gamers where one class based shooter replaces the next and the next and the tribal hierarchy of most of the moids playing the game. Multiplayer games whether they're PvP or PvE still fulfill that self-validating itch. There's been an uptick of meme streamer games that reflect this change in culture imo and that's why you don't see well crafted linear based story and character driven single player games as much anymore. Moids bitch about how Rockstar hasn't made a GTA game in a decade or any polished linear story based game like L.A Noire but then proceed to rot their brains on GTA online. Though I'd like to see more linear story based games I've been scarred by a lot of recent dogshit that consumers lap up because of the absolute feral demand for games, but it's quantity over quality. Gaming earns more than movies and music combined as a industry but most writing is bad anyways and this isn't something that's specific to games as a medium. Women are handled terribly in almost all game media, there's still the same tired prototypical story tropes that pervade all media, and little subversion. There's fake performative wokeness that infects everything but the same misognyistic tropes rehashed since two decades ago. They're a reflection of reality and the current cultural climate. You're honestly better off making your own game at this point but no one has the attention span for that shit so consumers will always far out weigh demand for games.
No. 370664
>>370657Yeah, they wouldn't care about that game if it didn't have a character like that which….what is even the point? Moids already have the possibility to play and create sexy female characters if they want. It feels like Atomic Heart, just trash that earned money because of lazy coom, play an actual porn game at this point or use coom mods in a decent game kek. Wanting to play X game just because the character looks like a sexy waifu, what absolute fags.
Also as an actual waifufag i will never stop saying how her design sucks, absolute nonsense mess, she could stand in front of a mossy rock and i wouldn't be able to spot her.
No. 370716
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>>370700i care about andersen-san
No. 370722
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>>370718every april fools I pray they do more andersen fanservice, give my hag the panchira he rightfully deserves
No. 370768
>>370761you're being ridiculous
>>370722I've already replied with that silly Metal Gear joke but the quality is really nice, love the uniform, shame that i'm one of those nonas who doesn't like beard and his eyes are a bit too deep set to me but thank you for sharing this moiderino.
No. 370884
>>370775Which designs are you talking about nonna? I'm not really familiar with the games aside from Lobotomy Corp and a bit of Limbus Company. I dropped the series after last years controversy with the Korean moids losing it over the Ishmael ID for the summer event.
I know Angela, Rodion and Faust have pretty large chests but I didn't think much of them since they aren't dressed skimpily.
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>>370775agreed. They look so weird too.
No. 371066
>>370775it's one of the least sexist designs you can see from eastern devs
i dunno what you're smoking, but you just gotta look at what most japanese gacha characters look like and you might come to your senses.
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>>371069That's only true for some of them. In the same way that only a few female characters have a big chest
No. 371090
>>371073Chainsawman had a lesbian orgy as chapter art and female characters (and a trap) in lingerie, plus the groomer dommy mommy Makima shit was overtly sexual from the start. I think the only way you can compare say Limbus characters to Chainsawman ones is that they wear suits/uniforms, but from when I played it and from watching later story cutscenes after the summer event fiasco I can't remember the female characters ever being fetishized.
I don't think anyone's arguing that Project Moon is good after last summer, but compared to the other current popular gacha, Limbus is almost puritan.
No. 371173
>>371066I was actually talking about LoR
Angela/Sayo/Meow/Katriel/Olga
It all made me uncomfortable
No. 372149
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Scrotes are seething over this lesbian Kotaku writer thinking aphrodite's design while criticizing stellerblade. The difference is that scrotes have 0 self control and have to make every woman coombait even when it doesn't make sense. If Hades was an AAA game demeter would be designed to look much younger and would have a revealing design.
Hades has hot male characters in revealing clothing (excluding hepheastus but he is a canon uggo). Something which couldn't be done in the God of War games because scrotes want every man to look like a 40 year old alcoholic divorcees.
No. 373981
>>373954>>373965It looks retarded, like their knees are glued together. It's clear it's supposed to be for modesty reasons but 2 of them aren't even wearing skirts.
BTW watermelons have very little calories so the massive difference in slices doesn't make sense except for manliness and daintiness reasons.