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>FUJOSHI (腐女子, "rotten girl"): a self-mockingly pejorative Japanese term for female fans of manga and novels that feature romantic relationships between men. Receives its meaning from the belief that a woman who enjoys fictional gay content is "rotten", too ruined to be married.
>Discuss yaoi and BL here, as well as series and games aimed at fujoshi (and fudanshi) like Hetalia, sports anime, and male idol anime.
>Discussion of BL games here is totally OK but please do not cannibalize the otome game general.
>Discussion of Male/Male ships outside of strictly BL series is allowed.
>Feel free to ask for recommendations, but please specify what kind of material you're looking for (Genre, oneshot/series, doujinshi, SFW/NSFW etc).
>Being reasonably critical of BL is welcomed but don't come here only to bait or excessively moralsperg about fujos or how much you hate BL as a genre. Take it to Twitter.
>Be mindful of others and hide your spoilers. Use the spoiler image option and wrap your text inside spoiler tags.
>Reminder to ignore the baiting males here, and shota pedo shit is forbidden here due to the fact that its mostly moids who consume shota.
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Reposting here, Red and Blue are made for each other and if you're too young to have shipped this pairing when brand new copies of gen 1 and gen 2 cartridges were available in stores then I never, ever want to see your opinion on BL.
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If you mean the circle, it's probably a label that would have like the name of the bakery or event like anniversary on it.
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It was obviously painted white chocolate, have you ever seen a pastry in your life?
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>>241364>thinks this is the second thread>shota is forbidden now
I am begging you to go back to twitter.
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>Reminder to ignore the baiting males here, and shota pedo shit is forbidden here due to the fact that its mostly moids who consume shota.
You really thought you were slick, nonnie. Especially with the lack of incest in the OP
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Loss Time ni Hanamuke wo just got uploaded to mrm in full and I read it on a whim because I liked the cover but holy fuck, I was sobbing by the end of it. I related to both characters at different places in my life before and it really made me reflect on myself. I was really unsure if they would get back together by the end, it felt so convincing, but I'm glad things went the way they did, it's a very hopeful story. It's like a better written version of Escape Journey.
you can tell the faggot infighting nonstop in the last thread rushed the op just so they could slip that in there like anyone is going to follow it. the proposition that enjoying bl created by and for women that has shotas in it is scrote behavior is contradictory fakeboi logic.
minimodding is a bannable offense, op. and minimodding a non-cow thread is just plain autistic. hope that shota x oni anon comes back, free her.
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I'm listing my favorite incest manga in honor of the OP failing the anons who asked for incest last thread. I'm not even super into incest but good BL is good BL.
Ani no Chuukoku by Asada Nemui. Wish this one had been longer and not part of an anthology. This one is just really fun, it's basically the story about the redditor who broke both his arms but instead of a redditor it's a cute delinquent and instead of his mom it's his sexy yakuza big brother.
Not Equal by Ike Reibun. Father son incest is gross and this is the only manga featuring it that I can even get through because this author is so brilliant. It's got a time travel thing going on and it's emotional.
Ai to Makoto by Moriyo. This is one of those ABO manga that take the fated pair thing and make it tragic, which is my favorite type of ABO. The translation I read of this was absolutely terrible but I still enjoyed it.
Kawaii Kara Kimi Ga Warui by Nen Nenko. Very cute. MC thinks his cousin is into his sister and the story builds around that misunderstanding. Love the art in this one. Cousins are barely incest by BL standards but I really like this one.
Aniki no Ichiban Oishii Tokoro by Mizuhara Zakuro. Another one with really cute art. Mostly porn. Plot has something to do with archery which is attractive.
And because I know OP is really gonna love this one, Onii-chan Datte Amaetai Wake de. I like this one because the big brother looks like a little brother. It's mostly porn, though. The author does not let you forget that the boys are brothers.
said calling any young girl "loli" would be just as stupid and "shota" doesn't mean "young boy" but refers to the original shotacon target of admiration just like lolita refers to the novel's titular character. The term "shota" is strongly associated with moidshit and I hate how the tag is supposed to host everything from literal toddlercon for pedo scrotes to a babyfaced 16-year old more appealing to fujos. I want to defend women's rights to enjoy nonthreatening young boys, not men living out their pedo fantasies. You constantly see men trying to be slick and conflating ships like KawoShin to the graphic shotacon doujins of a teacher raping his 7-year old student just because they're "both minors" to force fujos to do their bidding. I'm not going to carry this argument on any further because I'm just going to be called a "twitter sjw who needs to take her meds" so I'm just going to end this by saying that male suicide rates aren't high enough.
based and true, I hate random bishies who look like teens or men being lumped in with shotas, when I hear shota I think prepubescent not just basic anime pretty boy or bishounen >>241508
except that there is a difference tsundere would be cringe but calling a young boy irl a shota would be downright concerning, I don’t think any sane japanese person would refer to a young boy this way since the word is entirely associated with the shotacon genre
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like it or not characters like scaramouche are considered shota by the japanese community
does shipping him with childe or kazuha make me a pedo?
nta but yeah Kyary called herself a shotacon and acted pretty creepily towards a 12-year old like sending him messages about wanting to sleep holding him in her arms and how "puberty is stupid because he now refuses to hold her hand".>>241532>>241533
Okay, this is just some piece of shit bait replying to himself to keep the fight going at this point. Nobody reply.
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a genderbend madohomu ship would be amazing. hualian is pretty close too it, i like when characters are obsessively in love
They're not old enough to remember TaiYama fangirls and too out of touch to know about Inazuma fujos.
I'm not even into shota and understand why people don't like it, but sweeping statements about it being moidshit just outs their cringe zoomer asses so hard. There's a difference even aesthetically between moid shota and fujo shota that anyone out of diapers should be able to recognize.
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Shotas are cute and are not inherently sexual. People don't appreciate moe the way they used to.>>241501
You also wouldn't call irl people terms like tsundere or yandere. It's an arbitrary character category with no hard rules. Back when Free! season 1 was airing, everyone in the english fandom was calling Nagisa and Ai shotas because they were small and cute. I'll basically call any young looking FICTIONAL boy a shota lightheartedly because that's just what I'm used to.(enough infighting about shotas.)
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I often make OPs, and I was going to make an OP for this thread that was impartial and labeled as "7." I had it typed up and everything, but then I got distracted by other shit and went to bed without doing it. By the time I woke up this morning, we got a shit OP with minimodding, the wrong number, and no links to previous threads.
This is the sort of shit that happens when there's infighting so close to the end of a thread, I suppose. Sorry anons.
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(Please report and ignore the tranny)
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Don't be a fucking nigger I don't kinkshame retard
Plus I dont get redtexted, I get mass deleted(Tranny)
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God damn it I suspected the shotafagging was a baiting moid, but fucking Blaine, seriously? I thought for sure he'd be too busy seething at the Kiwifarms thread to gayop this one, but I guess I was wrong.
Nice job you faggot, you successfully ~le ebic troll'd~ a thread where like twelve people post. I'm sure your parents would be proud if they didn't disown you.
Shotafags who sided with Blaine, rope.
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Eitherway im posting this for the anons who feel sorry for minho, daily reminder that this is how he used to act like. Of course whats happening to him now is bad, but he was a sexist asshole with insecurity issues who tried to ruin others around him who were more successful in writing.
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Sure. I checked out that story that made the newfag sperg last thread and it was honestly boring. Why is it so popular with nip fujos? I plan on checking out the incest stuff nona rec'd upthread here hopefully something catches my eye
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Some moments when minho and wookyung first met in the original story
I didn't make the OP you dweeb. Not everybody who disagrees with you is one person samefagging.
>You were LARPing as the tranny agreeing with our retarded take to make us look bad!1!1
Or, here's a thought, maybe you had the kind of take a scrote would agree with from the start. Use Occam's Razor.
this story kinda reads like a revenge porn fantasy to me, i'm assuming minho is based on an abusive
ex (or multiple abusive
exes). feels a bit too personal
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yeah the story definitely gives that vibe, near the end of the main story minho literally pees himself from stress after being forced to watch Doona and her boy-toy have sex. then she finally ends the relationship with him, the he abandons his job and starts gambling and then tries to jump of a bridge but changes his mind and decides to prostitute himself to wookyung instead which begins their side story.
Halfway end in the story i just realized that Minho has a similar relationship with Doona that he has with Wookyung, and by that i mean that Minho lets Doona have sex with him in exchange for her giving him a place to live.
I honestly think Shota Oni is popular in part because
of how boring and sexless it is. I think that's part of it's appeal. It's an incredibly safe way for a young fujo to enjoy so called 'shotacon' content. Like you can read this and know that these characters aren't going to do anything that's more than just a little suggestive. Maybe the author will give us something after a timeskip but it's not likely because dragging the story out the way it is now is more profitable.
Part of it's popularity is also owed to it getting it's start as free to read on Pixiv. Free means more accessible and more accessible can mean easier to get very popular.
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nonnas who like incest in bl, why do you like it? what kind of dynamics do you like? what are your favorite pairings?
what i like the most about it is how the characters deal with the taboo nature of it, the shame and the guilt, and the fear of destroying their familiar relationship. it's basically the pinacle of forbidden love. even if it's onesided it's interesting to see how the "normal" person reacts.
i avoid anything underage and/or with grooming or yandere/possessive vibes. it creeps me the fuck out and it's way too close to real life imo. i also avoid parent-child for the same reasons, but there is a short story, Father Figure iirc, written by the same team behind the In These Words manga, that was equally parts fucked up and bittersweet in all the best ways; i was crying by the end of it.
i'm not one of those people who is "into incest" as a rule but I have one incest pairing I've been into since forever, and yeah for me it's all about >the shame and the guilt
as you mentioned. I think it's just an extension of my wanting to emotionally torture my fav characters, if it wasn't the incest it would be something else, it just happens that for these particular two it's the worst thing that could happen to either one of them. I like one-sided the best because it provides more guilt and angst.
My rule of thumb is "don't make a baby"
You posted the only one I go for tho Dante/vergil is based they're not even human its fine I promise
it's a series that lets you choose between shipping them with family or shipping them with carbon copies of family like capcom didn't give us a choice nonnie
we were forced into it
I don't have a big fetish for it in particular (and definitely not into parent/child stuff) but as a general rule, the #1 appeal in any dynamic for me is conflict. Like, I want to feel that the couple getting together is far fetched or difficult, and I want to see the author managing to pull it off and get them together regardless. It makes it seem like their feelings are more intense, the sexual tension is higher, with incest in particular there's inherent proximity that adds to it.
My fav sibling pair is the Elric brothers because it has the aspects mentioned above but also a weird plausibility? Prepare for sperging, I've really thought about this shit>Al didn't go through a normal puberty and Ed didn't see his body for many years, so it's possible the westermarck effect didn't occur>Al might not be prepared for sexual maturity once he gets his body back and who better to explain/assist with embarrassing things than his brother>Ed dedicated so much of his life to getting Al's body back, so once it returns he's particularly fixated on it >Al hasn't experienced physical touch for so long that he is also fixated on it
But yeah I'm more into fanworks than original BL, so my taste is more about how people intepret character dynamics than how they actually are in canon.
I only like Nero/Dante
Despite that, Vergil is my favorite of the three
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I think part of it is that I cant see myself in male characters so I'm able to suspend my disbelief. yuri or het incest for example is too weird for me.
Like a lot of other people here say, I like the emotional turmoil it puts the characters through because of the taboo setting. I ONLY like sibling incest though, parental incest creeps me out because it's too closely tied to pedophilia and I can't stand parental figures abusing those beneath them with romance and sex, and cousin incest is a big nothing-burger because it's so "normal" comparatively. Step-siblings are a cop-out and are literally not relevant.
I like both straight and gay sibling incest, but I'd prefer if pregnancy was not involved. Most of all I want to read about people being tormented by their attraction and see the beauty in darkness that comes with it.
I am: >>242496
and I have an older sibling of the opposite sex. I had a crush on him as a kid, but grew out of it. We've had a normal sibling relationship our entire lives. I don't self-insert into my ships, I just like observing it from a literary point of view. It's just…entertainment.
I like the longing looks. The words never said. The physical touches that border on being too intimate, too loving .The slow realization that maybe, just maybe, the love they have for each other goes a little bit deeper than just familial. The guilt, the shame, and the hatred that overtakes. The reconciliation, in which they throw caution to the wind because, fuck, they're truly and deeply in love, and nothing can ever change that. >>242483
I get along well with both my siblings, and I enjoy incest quite a lot, whether it be romanticized or not. I was never disgusted by incest in fiction because I never saw myself in it. Where the incestuous characters start, I end. I am merely a bystander watching as they pursue their illicit desire. Same goes for parental incest (which I've noticed a couple of anons are apprehensive of).
Same as this nona, I also have an older sibling who I've never been attracted to, but I very much enjoy fictional incest, both between siblings and parental. I never self insert into fiction and I view it merely as entertainment, so I guess that's why "problematic
" fetishes never squick me out.
I don't self-insert either but it still makes me too uncomfortable as a thought because I can't help but think about my own siblings. I don't sperg out at people who love it because I have my own problematic
favourites that people would shame me for but it definitely affects my view of them because it's one of those taboos that define a person imo. It's one thing to enjoy it as a smutty porn kink but somehow when it crosses over to the star-crossed lovers kind of thing it becomes too disturbing.
Pretty much what you said about navigating it and feeling guilty. I'd also add that I love how incest adds a level of impenetrable love. You can't get in the way of blood. No matter what happens between the two, they're always tied to each other and have imprinted history, memories, connection, etc. My fave type of incest is brothers easily, parentuncle/younger stuff doesn't click as hard.
The guilt stuff hits even harder if the older brother blames himself for essentially encouraging it/not putting his foot down because he loves his little brother too much who doesn't know better yet. His little brother struggles to distinguish different types of love but in the end he unabashedly loves his big brother wholeheartedly while the older one is still mentally struggling.
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It’s the elric brothers just like >>242482
kek. There’s something about those two in particular, idk.
are you me???? We’re literally on the same damn brain wave. I’ve thought about everything you mentioned plus more that I won’t get into so as not to sperg out itt.
I’d really love to get in touch with you somehow if you’d be interested, this ship is so rare these days I feel like I’m alone on a brainrot desert island.
I am not explicitly into it but I can enjoy it. Same reasons as those you and others have mentioned.
Maybe same reason some people like gay ships for in the past. I cannot see gay ships forbidden though, so why I am totally a fujo I love gay 2D dudes for a million reasons but any kind of taboo, incest provides that though.
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Do you necessarily relate to the characters you are into? Personally, I need to relate to at least one part of the ship, but it seems like this is different depending on the person. I know another one who is the same and her love for the guys she ships is a mix between relating to certain traits or backgrounds, admiration and of course sexual attraction to the opposite sex. But then again many shippers cannot relate at all but still like it. To me emotions, mental issues or the way characters are treated by others were never generally foreign just because it's manga characters. It depends on the character though, the traits or treatment must of course match.
That makes me wonder about another thing which is why I relate so much with 2D characters in general but rarely even get real people. I think it's because how fiction works. Even a crazy villain can be relatable because fiction directly tells you their thoughts and feelings whereas real people hide, lie or are simply unreadable or too different. And manga are even more extreme than other media since drawings are more expressive than real faces and personalities and characters are written way more straight-forward and are less complicated than real humans. Maybe I am just autistic or something.
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Those two were the first BL couple I shipped and I guess it just left an impact lol.
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Incest shipping is emphatically not my thing, but reading the responses to your post has been interesting. Like other anons have said, it's just like any other fetish, where if you're not into it, you're never gonna get why other people are.
Years ago when I was into Homestuck, I had a friend who was super into Stridercest and I just never got the appeal. It was forever ago, but I think her rationale was similar to what anons here are saying, which is that some people experience a reverse-psychology effect, where something becomes more appealing expressly because it's taboo. I'm not very close friends with that person anymore, but in recent years she trooned out and became super woke-puritanical. Every time I see her tut-tutting someone online for being "problematic
" I think back to all the smutty Stridercest fanfic she wrote and I laugh to myself.
I guess I could theoretically tolerate step-sibling incest if the story it's in is really well-written, but that's as far as I would go. I guess I'm pretty vanilla by fujoshi standards, because shota and incest squick me the hell out. I'm not new to slash either, I've been part of the community for like fifteen years; I was put off by it long before it was considered "problematic
Wait, what? Anon, did you not live with him or something? I don't want to shame you too hard here, but I have an older brother as well and that strikes me as really weird. When I was a kid, some of my friends had crushes on my brother and even that
weirded me out.
I find that my favorite ships that I latch onto for a long time usually have one or both characters that speak to me on a deeper level because I relate to them. One of my oldest OTPs has a character that I made the theme of my old blog and I used to cosplay him. It wasn't really a self insert thing, I didn't imagine myself as him, it was more like "he just like me fr fr" so I found a lot of comfort in that character and ship. These days though, I tend to seek out more characters that I specifically don't relate to because I've found so many that I comfortably connect with, it's more exciting to see characters that are outrageous or extreme in a way that's still convincing.>>242656
Same. They also developed my specific taste for incest being when they create a very specific world for themselves and don't let outsiders in. "No one else understands me except you" type thing.
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i have mixed feelings about incest pairings tbh, but like other anons have said i do get the kind of taboo appeal to it. i will say i played shingakkou noli me tangere recently and the (twin)cest pairing in that was… weird? in that they have a really weird excuse to handwave it basically. it just made me laugh bc that game had so much objectively gross stuff but they still felt the need to justify the incest lmao
any other shingakkou anons here? i barely see anyone discuss it, i guess bc of the lack of a western audience, but its a shame bc there's a lot to talk about imo
Dirkjake used to be my thing. I'm a sucker for a good ol' childhood best friends slow burn.
Kind of makes me wonder why Hamlet hasn't been burned at the stake for being a ~le evil fujoshi~ yet. She used to make no secret of the fact that she was a woman, although these days any reference to her gender is curiously absent from her socials, kek.
i mean i liked it cus i thought the trope was interesting, but i asked my actual gay male friend who was into it back then and he said he liked it because bro was a stronger/older parental type lmao he only dates bears now so it makes sense. tl;dr daddy issues probably
speaking of stridercest, does anyone remember Family Never Ends by ipgd? it was the most realistic depiction of incest and the mental damage it causes
>>242666>Wait, what? Anon, did you not live with him or something?
We lived together all my childhood, until he moved out when I was 16-17. I'm gonna put on my psychologist hat here and say I think it's because we're "only" half-siblings so we look like night and day, we don't resemble each others at all, and I really looked up to him as a cool older brother figure. Even if he was a dickass at times, he also protected me and cared for me in an age when I was bullied a LOT and struggled socially, so he was in a way my pillar.
Like I said though, I grew out of it and I never acted on it. It wasn't a HUGE crush either, just a tiny one. Now I just see him as my brother.
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Nona, we are long lost twins (no incest subtext intended), I have the same feeling and restrictions about it. Also monarch taste for Spardacest. Have a nice day.
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This one shot was decent. When I finished it I thought it would fare better as a longer serialization and turns out it did get a (short) serialization of 5 chapters afterwards, according to the scanlators, but I haven't seen anything around.
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Not really boys love but the thing that really escalated the fujo in me was that scene from Fragile Dreams. I still think about it sometimes.
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Lelouch and Suzaku have an official love child nowhttps://twitter.com/koisuru_mijinko/status/1575952599177523200
What do you think? I think he’s quite cute actually!
It really is hilarious though when you compare it to other popular ships from around that time (to where the creator would usually tell people to stop making them gay homosexuals)
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minho killed himself in the recent chapter…..does this mean its the end of the story. I wasnt expecting this, i, ill just say my unpopular opinion for this site but compared to the things he has done i dont think he deserved to die….
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>>244065>tfw you're so BL deprived you find this extremely attrative
I hope this segment comes back every week.
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Prefer strip because it’s by Harada~
Weren't they always gay? It's just that vampires dont have sex
Also what do you mean ugly?
I am chill about yuri itself, but sadly yuri fans are unironically among the worst types of fanbases I have ever seen in my life so this Gundam will be fucking impossible to discuss anywhere which pisses me off because I want to talk about it.
But I kinda agree. Fujos made up the huge majority of the anime fandoms of Gundam and I a lowkey afraid that once they trigger
the yuri hype they won't do anything else anymore.
Yeah this is my worry too. I couldn't even make it through the first episode yet because of how annoying the MC is because of course they had to moefy her to the point at which she isn't even capable of talking anymore. It will probably get better later but it's still annoying. >if yuri on ice belonged to kyoani you'd see like 3 sequels by now
God, don't remind me. We will have died of old age before they finally release that movie. But yeah, I love that Kyoani is at least making a sequel for Tsurune, they would have never let the YoI hype die down like this.
It's a shame because anime like YoI, where the fujo pandering and gay hinting is more than just just comedic relief barely exist whereas every second anime has girls touching each others asses or has them telling each other they couldn't live without the respective other.
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any sadistic beauty bl readers, we are either getting the new chapter tomorrow or the day after tomorrow (depending on your timezone)
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Good news for my fujo friends who enjoy BL games, english translated lkyt is in beta testing! Maybe we'll get slow damage too next year…
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THE NEW CHAPPTER IS OUT
STARTS SCREAMING LIKE A LUNATIC
I will give a spoiler warning now.
Minho is alive
he ends up inthe hospital
Dont click on the black if you dont want to see the spoiler.
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Also i forgot to mention the whole chapter is him basically dreaming of Duna and apologizing to her and then he wakes up in the hospital next to Wookyung
I wish the author chilled with her vendetta because its ruining the story ,i was wtf when i saw duna in the new chapter, like it was not needed.
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I'm the anon who mentioned very vaguely that if Victor would be revealed to have an ex-bf or ex-bf everyone would lose their shit and it'd be funny but I don't actually want that. I just want to see people reacting to this because of the times I've seen sweat unwashed male otaku losing their shit because their waifu's backstory was that they had an ex-bf or something like that. And we all know that movie never ever.
To this day I don't know why some anons took it seriously. I'm not the anon saying anything about danmei (or whatever it's called?) or Genshin Impact because I don't play it and I don't want to pollute my phone with anymore gacha. I have legit no idea wtf she's trying to say.
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the way I knew tokyo revengers was going to be another fandom with 90% fujos. Takemichi is just shippable with almost everyone. watching the ao3 tag go from 1 page to 1k.
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Rec me your favorite BL manga. Any genre, any character dynamics, any setting, obscure preferred but popular stuff is ok too though I have already read a lot, but it doesn't even have to be manga either. I've been reading a lot of stuff I find mediocre lately, it doesn't even have to be great on a technical level, just rec anything that genuinely made you feel something.
Lol. Did you know japanese people don't give a fuck and you have fujos who like all sorts of pairings? Nobody cares. You even have bl authors doing gl/shoujo. Like literally Takemiya Keiko has also done straight romance. My favorite influential author is probably Nakamura Asumiko, who has done bl, gl, and straight romance.
I'm sure you have also ran into tons of fujo artists that don't even read BL but like all sorts of anime pairings.
>>246708>no true Scotsman
Ok retard. Fujo is just a word used to refer to people who like male/male ships. You don't have to earn the title.
This is just like scrotes who say you're not a REAL gamer or a REAL anime fan if you only play/watch certain things. Kys.
Nta but not all obviously. And why couldn't someone combine those words to describe herself?>>246671
I completely agree.
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So do you admit you are into yaoi not because you like pretty men but because you hate female characters?? Lol this thread is a clusterfuck of the worse fujo stereotypes
nona please. hating female characters has nothing to do with why fujos don't do hetshipping (in general).
i feel like a lot of people are just dumping bl and shoujo into the same category just because they're both aimed at women, but they're not at all the same thing and i don't see why we all have to be fine with both.
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>>246723>i'm right though? old school fujos all hated female characters
They hated shit characters, which is often the case for love interests. Who the fucks like Sakura or Hinata from Naruto other than male self insert that want to fuck them.
Also dunno why fujo get shit for "hating female character", while the average male viewer can't stand male characters in their shows either.
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I'm literally a lesbian who loves both BL and GL. There was another anon in this thread talking about Madohomu. Can everyone shut the fuck up about this already.
I don't know why anons are seething at you so much, you're absolutely right even if you didn't word your thoughts properly and they probably feel called out. There are a lot of hetshippers who leech off the content fujos create like fanart and artbooks of the choice male characters and think that the two attractive male characters together is a "good aesthetic" but they're not actually invested in them as a romantic couple because gays are gross and just want to use them as a continuation of their self-insert fantasy. They're usually the homophobic yaoi fangirl type that people think all fujos are and who make everyone else uncomfortable by talking about how they want to suck character x's fat dick and carry his babies. They're the ones calling a lesbian fujoshi an oxymoron because they can't comprehend the idea of shipping without self insertion and bragging about how homophobic they are IRL.
The issue isn't multishipping per se (like shipping a male character with both male and a female character) like everyone seems to think but the tonal difference in enthusiasm and attitude that they have. I.e. treating the gay ship similarly how scrotes see lesbian porn and the hetero ship as the "real couple". Disappointed to see that so many people whiteknight hetfagging without an ounce of critical thinking but I guess it's once again people refusing to post in the dead as fuck otome thread and instead lurk this one to, like I said, leech off fujos.
Doesn't change the fact that it's popular and had fujoshi reading it at some point. I still remember when everyone seethed because of Akito not being a guy because it ruined their gay pairings so even if some girls gave up on the manga for this reason they were still invested at some point. And it's iconic enough to get a new anime adaptation in an era when shojo manga only get live action adaptations that suck ass. It should have stayed a funny romcom instead of becoming a melodramatic family bullshit imo but that's off-topic.
I don't think I know any woman with actual normal or good taste who like shit like My dress up doll or whatever. At most you'll find some who will enjoy reading Love Hina or GTO or things by Rumiko Takahashi.
Not the anon you replied to but there's a constant struggle with yuri in Japan regarding female mangakas seething over men taking over their space so while it's incorrect to say that all GL is written by men it's true that they love the genre and slobber all over it, creating the assumption that it's made for them.
That said even as a lesbian myself I just don't understand the appeal of most yuri, the mainstream content is infantilized "cute hyperfemme girls doing cute/lewd things" school romcom stuff or edgy demon vampire femme girls pinning each other against the wall, overall shit I would imagine teenage wuhluhwuh activists or transbians enjoying.
Havent read much lately but:
Hidamari ga Kikoeru
The Charioteer by Mary Renault
You're just spewing a fallacy and stereotyping people. You do know that a lot of nip fujos don't like gays either right?
Honestly who gives a fuck about what other fans do. I'm here to read BL and hopefully discuss it with you retards, not to police other people because I don't think they're enjoying fictional gays correctly. Like seriously if it makes you this upset just get off Twitter and you'll stop seeing these so called "problematic
I don't think people who avoid "problematic
" pairings like the plague would actually even try to get into Fruits Basket in the first place, since the pairings are basically made of cousin fuckers or young adult men and teenage girls because Natsuki Takaya is into older men herself. The weeb girls in my high school who liked it were also all over Angel Sanctuary and X1999, and we know the main pairings in these ones aren't the most vanilla either. And they were into BL too so we basically all had the same preferences for het and BL pairings. I think what you're talking about is a far more recent thread.
Lmao ok I never even said any of those things about nips. I honestly do not care and neither do most people here, nobody wants to fight over what a true fujo is as you can see by the course of the threa.
There is nothing more scroty than saying someone is not a true fan of something if they don't do x thing. By the looks of it, you are the one who needs a hugbox where all the fujos act like you expect them to. Otherwise you go full armchair psychologist.(infighting)
I'm pretty sure what anon was implying was that a lot of questionable and straight out problematic
stuff gets a pass in shoujo and otome while BL is held to a much different standard. Oftentimes dubious consent in BL is called "rape porn" while I've seen a lot of shoujoshit in which an asshole male character forces herself on a young girl while she's clearly afraid and it's supposed to be attractive even though women are subjected to so much sexual assault and violence IRL.
>>246914>people would definitely get harassed for liking Mink
based he is a fucking abomination>>246917
Lmao what? you sound retarded take your meds I am literally a fujo, stop acting like fujos are some oppressed minority or protected class it’s legit pathetic and not that deep, it’s not some sacred religion it’s just about wanting to see hot 2D moids kiss
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I don’t mind old guys as long as they’re attractive (reasons I deeply hate stuff like ugly bastard and other scrote fetishes with uggos)
Mink’s problem is that the bright ass pink he has is so fucking ugly.
>>246945>coming back fresh off a ban to infight over the same retarded shit
Imagine being this dense.
>i meant gl shipping
So did I
i wasn't the one who got banned, nonnie
Check your redtext, tool >>246291
Back to lezlarp twitter you go. Have a good one.
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Holy shit nonna, I know this was from ages ago but I thought I was the only person who honestly shipped them. I really was not a fan of FMA:B and just really enjoyed the 2003 series+Conquerer of Shamballa more. I'm not honestly in to incest as a kink thing… I just found their relationship really compelling? They kind of live in a world no one else understands and only have each other.
Idk, romantic or not, I still think Edward is obsessed with Al - his entire life and reason to keep going/living revolves around his brother, that's just objectively clear.
What? Are you seriously saying that it's such an unorthodox thought that fujos would care about gay rights that it must be some scrote psyop bait? I'm sorry us cringe libshit twitterfags disagree with your super based imageboard stacey homophobe larp I guess but being into a genre based on homosexual ships
isn't exactly going to rid you of people who might consider gay people equal to hetties. I swear like the anon said above this thread hosts some of the worst fujo stereotypes and I can't believe they're now getting big mad about people shitting on hetships now too kek, just go resurrect the otome thread instead of shitposting here. >>247033
It happened way earlier this year already, I don't know why people noticed it just now. They're probably in a development hell lacking funding to finish the job because YoI isn't as relevant with the mainstream anymore and it's just the small fandom waiting for something they were promised years ago. What they fail to realize is that the movie could be used to reignite the old show's success and draw new attention to it creating new fans, but instead they're too busy pushing half-hearted bootleg copies of it like Dance Dance Danseur.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
See what you're trying to sell as "reasonable dislike of gay moids" often includes homophobia against homosexuality in general or at least a back door for it, that includes lesbians and bisexual women no matter how much dressing you put on it. From my perspective as a lesbian what's being discussed here is the certain breed of hetshippers who want to hetbend m/m ships to be but their self-insert fantasy because they find homosexuality as a concept
disgusting, having met the type they love to drop discreet homophobic bombs and push their m/f ships as the "canon" one. It doesn't make you some spineless faghag pickme to feel uncomfortable about it. People already allowed moids in fujo spaces and now they're attempting to co-opt the space for their coomer femboy fantasies and straight handmaidens fully feed into it, I couldn't imagine what would happen if genuine homophobes started making themselves comfortable.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
>>247099>literally all shipping is self inserting fantasies to a greater or lesser degree though
It's both curious and hilarious how this is literally proving the point in this post >>246813>They're the ones calling a lesbian fujoshi an oxymoron because they can't comprehend the idea of shipping without self insertion
So congratulations, you proved a point that this kind of person isn't just a fictional strawman but a real rock in the fujoshi shoe. The aversion to self-insertion is pretty common with lesbians and GNC women specifically because they grew up without proper representation of what they are so they learned to enjoy media without treating it as some extension of their personal power fantasies.
>speaking of hetbending, if most canon female characters are so badly written that you just have to ship m/m for gay content why do i hardly ever see yuribending?
It could possibly be because you're blind, "yuribending" exists literally everywhere these days and I don't know if you're just pretending to be obtuse, stuck under a very small rock or straight out ignoring the abundance of popular F/F ships. As for why m/m is so popular with lesbians, first of all because original yuri content is niche one-note garbage with almost no variation and BL is the next best genre entirely produced by women. You barely see women being into m/m created by actual men (and I mean genuinely
interested, not just for contrarian woke points) because it doesn't resonate with them, so it's not the genders of the characters that matter but rather who's making the narrative choices. But honestly, trying to explain this to someone who simply Does Not Get It and isn't even receptive to the idea is a waste of time and effort.
If the anime thread can have discussions about what constitutes as coompandering male bullshit instead of just blogging about the anime you just watched, this thread can also include the discourse regarding the fandom, its participants and why they enjoy the genre. Don't like it, then don't reply and drag it further. This thread will sink back to page 9 in no time because you certainly don't see the "w-why isn't anyone staying on topic?!?" anons discussing the BL they read, wonder why? Instead they're here being anally rekt about hetships being ridiculed.>>247125
Putting my best autistic foot forward for you, nonnie
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The fuck is going on here? Can't you all calm down and talk about fictional ikemen kissing and fucking like normal people?
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Ok but can you ban the retards and delete their posts so people stop replying?
Like this fucking mongoloid is still doing the same thing.>>247131(>>meta)
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Megatron x Rodimus in their holoforms.
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wake up babe new incest ship just dropped
will never not be obsessed the art for this game
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samefagging, tell me this isn't a seme and uke.
I don't want us to become like those yuri fanatics that threaten writers if the female MC talks to a guy at one point or like the dudes that attacked the director of Lycoris Recpil now for not making the main couple canon enough, but the status quo is indeed depressing IMO, because I feel like we are getting LESS BL and fujo pandering these days instead of more.
Hell I remember when fujos were hopeful for the future after Yuri on Ice and Tiger and Bunny became successful. Now we will probably never get that damn movie, TaB II had almost 0 fan service in that regard (and I am don't like the end) and there is not much else in sight, animewise. Sport series that threw hints at the beginning like Ryman's Club forgot and did absolutely nothing with it and the only recent rays of hope I remember are SK8 with its pandering and gay antagonist and Golden Kamuy with its neverending male fanservice and gay jokes.
Maybe the few gay movies too, but they aren't seasonal anime that are made for the general anime fanbase like the many yuri action shows that flood the modern anime scene.
I never watched lycoris but I heard it's actual bait since at the end the blonde girl has some weird tension with the (adult) male villain. I realized we got lucky with SK8 at least, but season 2 could go worse for all we know…
I hope they'll eventually adapt that horror BL manga hikaru ga shinda natsu since it's popular in japan
I'm good with anything, though I'm especially craving medieval fantasy. High or low. I also love vampires (the Anne Rice novels are good, I tried something called "Lost Souls" but it was shit so I dropped it…)
But really nona just tell me all the homo books you know. I have such troubles finding any because it's all under the 'LGBTQIA+'/kweer shit and I don't care to run into that
these are all the ones i've read in recent memory:>The Winter Prince by Elizabeth Wein
not strictly m/m but heavily baited (love/hate relationship between half-brothers), arthurian medieval setting>Dark Rise by C.S. Pacat
you probably know about this one already kek it's YA and not as good as capri imo but has some pretty good m/m scenes. she's a fujo so i trust her to build on it all in the sequel.>As Meat Loves Salt by Maria McCann
one of my favorites, very dark and heavy historical fiction (17th cen).>These Violent Delights by Micah Nemerever
the author is a tif but there's zero genderspecial shit in it. takes place in the 70s and is about a twisted, obsessive relationship between two young guys.>assorted fiction by Mary Renault
she's written a lot of m/m historical stuff (WWII and Alexander the Great for instance), old so nothing too explicit>A Royal Affair by John Wiltshire
medieval-ish setting, it was alright.
that's all i can remember for now! if you've got any favorites you'd recommend, please share. i've yet to find an m/m vampire book i like.
ayrt right? the book is so devastating. it left me reeling for like a week kek.
wish i could find something else like it! still no luck.
I think a lot of authors don't necessarily deserve the hate, since a lot of times it's not up to them, people like YoI's authors expressed how hard is to get gay stuff in the context of mainstream audience, but it's also true that fujo need to find some balls (no pun intended) and actually make themselves heard, not put shit from author clearly just trying to exploit them turn around to pander to moids who love het.
For better or worse, the reasons moids get what they want is because they make themselves heard, authors are afraid to not pander to them.
>I feel like we are getting LESS BL and fujo pandering these days instead of more.
It doesn't feel like it, it's.
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I'm sorry for the late reply nonny
! You're the only person so far that I've been able to talk about this ship with, let alone the 2003 series (most fma fans seem to just foam at the mouth when I bring anything but Brotherhood up). I'm really curious to know which writing decisions you didn't like. There were a lot of really interesting episodes in the '03 series, though I didn't like all of it, and some of the character decisions were meh. For me personally I think it was just the overall tone of the series being a little more serious and honestly just weird af that I liked.
I did enjoy parts of Brotherhood though. I remember really liking Isaac as a character and was sad that he was only in it for one ep kek. The homunculi in both were pretty mediocre to me, though I loved the dwarf in the flask ep. And Roy's freakout with Envy is still one of the coolest eps in brotherhood by far (and I liked that he just got way more screentime to be a badass in general, picrel). My gripes with Brotherhood is that I felt the writing was just really… idk, too melodramatic and drawn out at points. Like I preferred 2003 Envy to Brotherhood Envy because he's less of a cartoon villain. Scar was more narratively interesting to me in 2003 too and my B-side ship was him and Edward. I wasn't too into Roy/Ed (was more into Roy/Hughes) and I also kind of liked shipping Greed with Ling.
I confess I haven't read the manga though, since I heard it was just Brotherhood. So maybe there's more in there that I haven't seen.
I'm not sure I agree. If feels like manga have been getting more homo, a lot josei and seinsen have started to allow more gay shit, as well manga took the homo route (I can think of Double, or 10 dance moved to a shoujo magazine).
It does feel like anime is the only one suffering.
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Anyone checking out this? The boys look cute but does it have any potential ships?
I read a fair amount of the manga (need to catch up)
I like the protagonist and Bachira ship wise a lot!
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Its good, gayest sports manga since probably oofuri
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Nonnies wake up, 10Count anime in 2023https://10count-anime.com/
This is so gay, they should have released some character designs by now.
Anyway I don't like 10 count but I hope it is good.
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Can nonas recommend me some shounen manga with shippable male characters? Preferably something that's still ongoing but not super long, but I'll take what I can get.
I am currently digging Moriarity the Patriot, with all of its bishounen versions of Sherlock Holmes characters. Holmes and Moriarity being a classic ship, of course.
And there's always Bungo Stray Dogs.
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Found a place with the majority of BP uploaded so I binge read it and UGH I'm unfortunately very invested in the story and I'm about to go buy the latest 9 chapters because I can't find them online kek. I know people rip on it for being a KS rip off but I don't care.
I love reading BL with super fucked up relationships, shit that turns into classic stockholm syndrome stuff. None of that "woe is me" for Seo Ilmo, I just love that he's a crazy whack job asshole and Ah In is his unfortunate victim who is the only one who can "bear his love." Please rec me similarly super fucked up BL (or if anyone knows where the latest episodes are uploaded… please share that too lol). I've already read as much Harada stuff that I could find.
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Please don't get a cancer fandom
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Literally any sports series.
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kek yes, like the other anon said it's Kuroko, those are the two main characters. The series has a LOT of popular ships, there's a lot of interpersonal character drama and it just gets gayer the more characters you're introduced to. If you like "bitter exes who can't get over each other" type dynamics, you will have a lot of fun. A lot of famous BL mangaka have made doujins for the series too, like Ogeretsu Tanaka.
My personal favorite ship is Kaga/Kuro, the mcs, though even if you don't like their dynamic there's like a hundred others that get a lot of time. I like the comfyness of KagaKuro and how they both grow from their messy past relationships through their own time together. Plus light and shadow dynamics always kill me.
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If you haven't found them yet, zinchanmanga has up to chapter 68, but the translations are awful. I'm like a starving orphan so I read it anyway. I think Seo Ilmo is gonna die, and I'm gonna be angry is Ah In lives. Both of them need to die to complete their crazy tragic love story. I will not accept Ah In living in peace
DONT MENTION WHERE TO FIND RECENT CHAPTERS AND GIVE IT MORE RECOGNITION. Because YD searches for her manhwa everyday so it makes the chances of her finding that higher.
Also why are they even doing their own shitty translation when they could just post the actual english chapters from lezhin.
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IM BEGGING TIKTOK FUJOS TO START GIVING SPOILER WARNINGS BEFORE THEY POST SPOILERS BECAUSE I SAW JUST A SPOILER FOR CHAPTER 36 OF SADISTIC BEAUTY SIDE STORY ON TIKTOK AND I DIDNT WANT TO SEE THAT.
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Opinions? What are some of your predictions on how this story will go after reading the recent chapter?
She's insane and I know that a lot of people hate BP just because of her trying to keep her shit behind a paywall but I can't exactly fault her for just trying to protect her income. I'm considering buying it but I want to see how it ends first. I really do like it and I think it will have a lot of reread value for me since it's hard to find shit toxic
relationships that hit all my likes so well and continue it for the whole story. If I hate the ending I'm not going to though kek.
I liked POTN but I got midway up to S2 and just didn't really like Seungho becoming such a softie. Felt kind of weird. Seo also becomes a softie over time but it just feels less abrupt to me. He has always been obsessed with ah in and revered him as some sacred being so it doesn't surprise me that he would change his tastes to suit the object of his obsession. I should probably catch up on POTN though lol.
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P.A. Works's next original anime could provide fujo pandering.
"Buddy Daddies", supposed to start airing next year in January.
Not a fan of some of the designs but the right guy is pretty much up my alley. I hope it won't just be a copy of the currently trendy daughter-anime and spy/crime mixes but something more original, but we will see.
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I saw anon last thread post picrel and I thought this sorta ending was too obvious, but god damn she was right on the money. I think this is exactly how it's gonna go, which sucks since it feels so anticlimactic. Also Wookyung with that beard is so fugly lmfao.
This isn't about a particular series and it happens with f/f too, but I hate it when I am invested in a pairing and the pairing is hinted/baited hard, and there are only two mains, who are both of the same gender and the series builds up their chemistry over the course of fuck knows how many chapters and episodes etc.
And THEN a new character of the opposite enters the stage. And the moment they appear you just know exactly what will happen. Like it doesn't matter that they just appeared out of nowhere, that they have no connection to or chemistry with the current main dudes (or women), but since het rules the world you just know that one (or both) character will fall for them and that the show will be vocal as shit about it to make things clear and you can only sit back and watch in horror how it develops.
Usually it happens and changes within seconds or a few episodes. Or sometimes in the very last chapter, just because. Like some looming shadow in a horror movie and enters the house and you know it will kill one of the mains somehow, but since it's a movie you can't do anything about it.
Well, I guess it's just the classical bait. But I hate how you are never save from this unless you are reading explicitly tagged yuri/BL. As long as a series doesn't end, like actually stops being released, you cannot be sure. Sometimes it might even happen with an already existing character and they pair all every up at the very end to make the mainstream audience happy.
Anyway my point is: I want this to happen the other way around just once and witness the seething.
now that ennead is in hiatus i reread it, and season 2 is so weak compared with the 1st one. i've no idea how mojito is going to wrap everything in this season (iirc there were only 2 planned). i miss season 1 seth (and his headdress, srsly) like you wouldn't believe.>>249574
nah, the translator doesn't need to mistranslate this shitfest for it to be bad, and she copes with her fanfic and rants
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>>249442>Good communicator with a penchant for women and gambling.
oh great, it's ANOTHER show where one of the guys is a fuckboy, like can we please get rid of this goddamn cursed trope? i see enough fuckboys in real life, why the fuck do they need to put them in my escapist fiction too. it reminds me of that other shitty "fujobait" show with the detective and the rich guy who wanted to fuck his female cousin or some shit like that. istg this keeps happening again and again, it's like they don't understand their core audience
anyway this looks like a flop to me and the style is kinda outdated, like it came in the late 2000s, even the great pretender looked better than this
Yeah this is exactly the reason for why fanfics and fanart ships are almost always gay. Plus if you are into male characters you almost never get any fanservice either, so fans are inclined on drawing art with their favorite dudes that is cute or sexy because canonically we usually just get tits, characters groping female asses and femme fatales or harem waifu.
Speaking of it I noticed that the same people that get a meltdown everytime a series slightly de-sexualises its female characters are the same that attack artists for drawing lewd male characters, even without anything gay in the pic. Instagram in particular seems to be prone to that shit where people up and get upset for drawing a 2D dude in a sexy pose or something, calling it homosexual and telling you you were destroying their childhood with it.
It annoys me too and was one of the reasons for why I couldn't get into that Fuuto Tantei anime that recently aired. I get why people like it, it's also looking great, but some fujos hyped it up and the first thing you see is that one of the two MCs is lusting after the perfect woman that looks like an idol and has a mysterious past who then also joins their team. Nothing wrong with her but I knew the guy would never be shippable with the other dude unless you ignore half of the canon.>this keeps happening again and again, it's like they don't understand their core audience
Yeah this. I am tired of shows that try to please everyone and get marketed as fujo shows only to make absolutely clear that one of the dudes is TOTALLY horny for every woman he sees to not alienate the het crowd.
I generally can't stand NTR and romance drama like this. If they want drama why not stick to interpersonal stuff like one guy not opening up or being trustworthy (but not in a cheating way) or having some mental issues or whatever?
Now thinking about it it's weird how often even I have seen stories with the tag "[male character]/[female character] (past)" and I never got the point of it because when I read it it wasn't even relevant outside of the few scenes where the MC brings it up for no reason.
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I like when a character uses womanizing to try to cover that he's actually gay, like Neon Sign Amber. Or when it's used to develop the guy and halfway through the story he realizes womanizing it unsatisfying and he feels like its betraying the person he loves, shit like that.
I hate how many modern shows have this trope of a male MC who is gay for the other male MC, who is into a woman that most likely loves him back.
Saikou Bisco had that as well where one of the MCs even confesses his love for the other dude but of course it happens at a moment when that guy cannot hear it and later he impregnates the sister of the gay guy but the series still goes on with its fujo pandering.
It's worse than generic fujobait because they expect me to get into a show for fujo reasons when the gay character is canonically cucked to begin with. No thanks. I rather watch series with no pandering at all and no romance so that I can at least ship the friends or rivals however I want.
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Were you guys around when Buddy Complex aired? I remember at first it got sold as a prime fujo show, where the two male MCs had to do "coupling" to pilot the robots. Of course, one of the main characters actually had a female love interest and they absolutely cuck the fuck out of the other guy. I remember looking forward to this so much and being so disappointed.
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Eh, I feel like fujo and yuri fans are fundamentally different. Yuri care about purity, fujos don't.
Half of the BL drama is "straight boy x gay boy" and "can this straight boy fall in love with a man??"
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I think it depends on how it's done. T&G for example is a show where a character was married to a woman, but it still feels very gay. Something like the Jewel of Richard has the main character crushing on a female (asexual) character for the first half, but then he moves on.
In general, it's a way for easy, drama. If it's two just two gays, what stops them from getting together asap? But it it's gay guy and a bi dude in the closet, then there is potential for drama. >>249771
Reminds me of the millionaire detective show that twitter tried to sell as "So gayy" and then I watched it and it wasn't even homoerotic kek. For this one, we shall sell. Maybe Japanese white suits will finally learn from YoI success and the recent flops of 90% fujo anime and get a clue.
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I think "Oh god am I actually bi?" arcs are cute but rarely done well in BL. :((:()
. I feel like the "buddy cop story about a fuckboy who could
be gay for his partner" setting could be its own genre by now because it's been done so many times. It always gets hyped up as the ~so gay~ series of the season but it always ends up disappointing and fades into obscurity because it tried to milk the fujo bucks with really tame pandering but didn't deliver. I actually like the "straight turned gay" trope in BL (but it can be grating and annoying too if not done right) because you know it's going to end up with the main couple being romantically involved, but mainstream series like this end with the couple smiling at each other at most. Fucking Trigger
of all studios, the most coomerish one of them all, had the balls to make their male couple kiss, combine to form a heart cloud and basically have the entire soundtrack's lyrics be a love story about them but not one other company can be assed to follow their set example. Everyone saw how well Yuri on Ice did, what's stopping them from pushing the envelope? Homophobic and misogynistic executives is a given but how the fuck doesn't even piles of money persuade them? >>249979>Reminds me of the millionaire detective show that twitter tried to sell as "So gayy"
Kek my point proven because I thought about at least three different series before I was able to pinpoint the show you were talking about. Yeah that was a disaster, my girlfriend was so excited and pushing it on me and I saw a mile away what the deal was going to be. She dropped it at the point the surprise straight shit came about and never talked about it again.
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>>249993>Homophobic and misogynistic executives is a given but how the fuck doesn't even piles of money persuade them?
Good question, but that would require knowing what's in the mind of 70 years old suits. I genuinely just assume they don't want to be associate with (male) homosexuality, just look how gundam has no problem pandering openly to Yuri fans.
This said, I feel like people here may be doomposting this too much. It's an anime original so who knows. Character being a womanizer may be just a way to show the contrasting personality. Het bait and switch is a thing (Richard, YoI) and often leads to pleasant surprise.
But he's hoping JP fujos find their balls (pun intended) and don't support half assed pandering. >>249993
To be honest, I also thought it wasn't very gay, probably the worst thing twitter Bl fans tried to push on me.
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This is making me remember K and how fucking huge it got for a while before S2 came long and they completely dropped the ball and lost all their fans which were mostly fujos.
I doubt put DD in this category personally, while not outright gay it did feature a couple of gay sub plots I believe? And there was no romantic plot tumor with any of the girls, heck the female character were actually pretty great if anything and not saddled with unnecessary romance. I do think the main leads weren't very shippable however yes, but I also don't think it was pushing for "Bait and switch". It felt a serviceable buddy cop show that knew that it wanted to be.
>Fugou Keiji and Great Pretender
GP was definitely baiting I agree. One of the writers even said Laurent (was that his name?) was BI, but nothing came out it. Once it moved past the first arc, the two main guys got paired with women.
Fugou Keiji was boring and straight and everyone liked it because they wanted to fuck the MC (Reasonable but it doesn't make for great TV)>>249999
What happened to K in the end?
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Season 1 was a guilty pleasure of mine, but I never cared to follow up on anything after. I really loved this couple but for some reason it was one of the less popular of the ships. It had some good fujobait but I feel like these days we have a lot better so its not really worth going back to.
If it's not explicitly BL it usually just means that the series is a normal het show but throwing in a gay character that ends up alone and thinks this was enough to sell it to fujos, don't fall for this. It's usually worse than just generic baiting with no results, but actual canon het ships or about the other character lusting non-stop for women to make it clear that he is absolutely NOT gay just because his friend is.
The majority of het-onlys and people that get triggered
by gays can tolerate a gay character well as long he/she is just the cucked guy that gets shit while the other character and their interest in the opposite gender (usually m->f) is in the focus. Basically what >>249771
If you want to see the worst example in anime history for this type of show watch Kado.
Yeah that's for sure. I think people here rather complain about their experiences with this genre so far rather than the show itself.
It's a bummer and I am skeptical, but I will surely give it a few episodes. Though personally, if bi, I prefer the trope with the lost ex or dead wife. TaB and Samurai Flamenco worked perfectly with that. I hope it's not playboying without development because that's a trait that can legit be annoying. In some cases it feels shoved in to clarify that the characters are absolutely not gay even if it's two male mains and serves no other purpose.
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GOD I miss that show so fucking much. Definitely one of the craziest cases of fujobaiting, managing to somehow have a marriage proposal in the show but have the shows creators completely deny anything gay is happening. So bizarre but so iconic.
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The Kurata shitposting on /a/ afterwards was pretty funny.
>>250041>and then he makes a sad expression while thinking about his past
No you are perfectly right, I totally forgot about that scene and wondered as well back then. Yeah I can 100% see them doing this. Now if I was wearing a tinfoil hat I would even speculate on whether a canon het romance for a gay(ish) series was the point of debate that is one of the causes for the constant delay of it, considering that it was largely the basically/almost canon gay ship that caused the huge uproar and hype for that series. A het romance would risk to destroy that hype and it might very well be the case that they did not expect people to get so infatuated with the main ship when they were still producing the tv series. But that's just silly theories.
I am not sure how to feel that I have a legit reason for not wanting the movie to happen now because you are right. And because most movies that air only ages after the tv series happen to be shit and the type of stuff most fans choose to forget.
"Victor will have an ex gf in the movie"-schizo anon please stop, you need to let this go. You bring this doomer shit up in literally every thread with no other basis than "this is just how I see it" whenever Yuri on Ice is mentioned. Him making a sad expression could just as well be because the breakup with his old lover was traumatizing, or because he died, or because he was abusive
, or just whatever
else than "because it was a woman and mappa is just making a fool of us all". I legitimately do not understand where you came up with this wild theory of them absolutely giving Victor a girlfriend and much less I don't get why it bears so much repetition when the original series was so undeniably gay and Victor has never shown any signs of being the slightest amount of heterosexual.
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I refuse to believe the author and artist for Getbackers aren't touched with gay. Then they got a fujo artist to do the anime art.
how about you stop calling posters with valid
concerns "schizos"? i see it bothers you everytime the discussion in the thread gets more negative. if you don't like it then change the subject
Yeah, I agree. What a weird angle. And the anon complaining about the
series having female characters, no shit, it's a sport anime about adult.
It feels like topic is constantly on doom and gloom. We know the YoI writers support the main relationship and fought censorship for it, do I don't see why anons are bothered by the fact the series also features other relationships?
Anon you're nearing /a/ scrote levels of denial saying this. Of course they're not going to say they're lovers outright because that would mean losing sponsors because of the homophobia in Japan. There's a good chance that the movie is stuck in development because they pushed their luck with the original series making it very on the nose with how Victor and Yuuri's relationship was and are refusing to back off about it.
Seriously, what's with the reoccurring anon in this thread always having a weird hateboner for YoI ranting about how bad it is and how Victor will totally have a girlfriend in the movie with nothing to show for this claim? How could someone be so personally offended by the show they have a vendetta 6 years later?
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I never come here but was wondering if those of you who are harry potter fans could rec me some fics, specifically long fics with plot that are lupin x snape or harry x draco. I know all the good places to find snupin, just interested in what others are reading. As for the drarry, I never cared about the students much in terms of romance, but this was the only pair I thought might get interesting.
There's actually a drarry one I was reading ages ago that had snupin going on in the bg amazingly. It made harry have an actual personality, and used his ability to talk to snakes to get pet snakes that do his bidding. If by any chance in hell someone knows this story, I'd love to give it a try again.
Some people in the HP thread don't appreciate these discussions so I just came here first btw
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Recommend me twins x Uke storys NOW
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What the fuck did i just read
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tldr there is literal piss play pissing on each other in this story and some of the characters are hermaphrodites and change their genders.
This feels like it was written by a coomer moid trying to cash in some money by milking fujo genre.
its on lezhin, the author seems like a degen but they are not a moid, they just have fucked up fetishes.
I feel like the author tried to fit too many kinks into the story that the story just becomes meh or bizarre instead of hot.
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>>250032>that italian guy obsessed with his sister who was hitting on the korean guy
That shit was funny as fuck, they were all mentally ill. Also FUCK JJ, Otabek should have received the bronze medal, fuck JJ and his retarded tramp stamp, I hope his soon to be wife will divorce his ass in the non-existant movie.
Sarazanmai was technically speaking more ballsy (on screen sexual confession, unambiguous, they both live) but it didn't make wave, and side character being gay is generally more accepted than main characters. Samumenco was more ballsy, but also a lot of people back then argued "it was just a joke, it's not actually gay">>250498
It's everything you dislike moidshit here kek Just wait until you find out fujos can be in stuff like GK
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I think someday I'll make a blog or neocities to list the manga, anime and games with gay shit or fanservice just to keep up with what I already played and read, and what I have in my backlog.
Nta that asked, but I'm also looking for drarry fics, particularly ones that portray draco like the spoiled brat he is, no 'woe is me, my rich father is too strict, therefore my childhood was abusive
' or ones that have the writer trying to make him into this suave bad boy Casanova. Also ones that are passably written in British English, with no Americanisms (biggest pet peeve that will make me stop reading any HP fic, unless it's a masterpiece in terms of plot) Read very few drarry fics so far.
Technically speaking out of three main characters one was in love with the other, of course he got friendzoned but at least they kept Reo and Mabu canonically homosexual and didn't kill them off. Ikuhara, the series creator, has always included gay characters in his works and even though he's a complete weirdo and a coomer I still forgive him for putting in gay couples just as much as he does lesbian couples.
Related to Samumenco, I wonder how far it would go if it was released today. I feel like Yuri on Ice was groundbreaking in the sense that they made portraying gay couples outside of BL at least an inch more accepted so maybe they would be more courageous in writing a romance between Masayoshi and Goto. Then again I had hopes for Great Pretender too because it was a Netflix production (i.e. more corresponding to the western audience's tastes) with a canonically bisexual character and they fumbled it completely. But on the other hand Devilman Crybaby did go balls to the wall with gay.
ayrt. Pretty much everything these nonnas said . Great taste.
I prefer stories that happen during the books or right after voldemort is defeated. I'm not interested in the epilogue etc.
While on the topic of fanfics, nonnies please drop your favorite fic regardless of fandom. I’ll start:
Ace Attorney - Klavier/Apollohttps://archiveofourown.org/works/6272194/chapters/14371498
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I think im going through the same thing that Wookyung is going through.
At first i didnt care and just read it for entertainment value but now when im re-reading it , seeing minho cry and in pain makes me feel upset and kinda makes me want to cry too.
I get what you mean.
The story starts out seemingly shallow, like it's just generic yaoi rape porn. Many BL start out like this and then have the uke fall in love with the abuser and eventually forgive the abuse without much of a fuss.
But in this one you start to notice that Minho unexpectedly behaves more like a SA victim
would? Like, the futile attempts to regain some semblance of normality in his life, the need to dissociate, the self-isolation, and then straight out self-destructiveness. It starts getting too real, to the point that now you can't stop seeing Minho like a human with actual pain, and not just an uwu uke with an ouchie.
I love it when a story is somewhat self aware like this.
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Mostly Bachira x Isagi and Rin x Isagi, I'm waiting for this fandom to blow up like tokyo revengers and haikyuu so we get more Isagi x Kaiser fan content.
I'm a sucker for obsessive x oblivious ships
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and for the nonnies who don't know Bluelock was made by the same mangaka who made as the gods will it. which has one of my favorite borderline canon bl ships
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I love gaycest
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Me too sis me too
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Recommendations for military related yaoi? Like, at least one of them is a soldier, preferably both. It can be pwp.
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Seconding this. I need more gay soldiers.
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I'm dying for more chapters of this one by Yoh Matsumoto there's only a couple translated so far. An american soldier in postwar japan. This hits all the right spots for me.
have you read that one yaoi (Kuchi no Naka no Shita) where the guy's erogenous zone turns out to be the roof of his mouth
? It's a cute one not the horny dentist one.
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After reading NU:C producer's interview and how passionate they are I'm inspired to make my own BL project… in 10 years maybe lol. But seriously, what kind of tropes/character dynamics/settings would you like to see in BL media? One guy multiple love interests, separate couples, something like persona with a heavier plot outside romance etc
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I feel like the passion for BL is so apparent in NU:C itself. All of the characters are either perfectly played tropes or trope subversions but not in a bad way, in a way that shows the writers' understanding of the genre and probably their own preferences as well. I usually get bored of mobile games quickly but I really like the characters and scenarios so I've kept playing daily since it came out. My only wish is that they would switch up some of the characters' positions a little more. Having a switch MC was the best move (afaik Eiden is actually the most popular character) but I wish some of the other characters would get switch scenes too. They do a good job varying all of the fetishes and positions, but I would fucking kill to see Yakumo or Dante bottom.
Closed threesomes. VNs with multiple good LI/routes (like Hashihime) make me wish this was a more common dynamic.>>251640>ideological conflicts between the two
i second this. bonus points if they reach a middle point or keep their own ideologies, instead of one giving up his beliefs for the relationship
>engaging female characters
women in BL seem to fall into 2 categories: hetbait with the main pair, or supportive handmaiden with no flaws, but also no personality
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Is this the end..?
Wtf its so rushed, did the author just get bored of torturing minho and decided to end the story early.
if i knew this story was going to end so early and rushed i would have never read it. The ending is just random compared to the vibe of the whole story and we need more additional chapters , hope the author gives us more chapters even if the story already ended.
Like we want to see how wookyung and minho will act now that minho has chosen with his own free will to live with wookyung. It makes no sense to end the story now that we are getting to the good stuff.
I would love a series about comrades, maybe in war or other dire times. Not too dark and edgy it should tackle serious themes but have enough funny moments as well.
This is maybe a guilty please of mine that I will witness, but I wish there was a series like that and that it dealt with a non-romance plot and the romance was limited to a good fremeny chemistry and typical baity fujo fanservice, only to make the MC give his goal up to save the other one from death/suicide/insanity at the very end.
It needs to be well written and have good characters to not come off as cheesy but I think it's possible and maybe not even unthinkable to happen in real life. If you are constantly fighting for your life and witnessing friends and enemies die at some point it would make sense to nope out of this, say that you rather prefer to save that other guy after spending so much time with him than risking more and seeing more corpses. Tell the warlords, the treasure hunters, the dream chasers or whatever the goal was related to to fuck off and go away because you realised that being a content nobody without much money but a person you are close to is better than being rich or famous but dead inside or die before even getting there.
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>>251792>now that minho has chosen with his own free will to live with wookyung
WHAT?! i haven't read it yet, but that's the final chapter?! wtaf is the author thinking?! THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PART OF THE STORY! THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO READ! FUUUCK!
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You stupid bitches need to stop shilling this place on the regularly raided homo threads on /a/
No wonder this thread stank of monkeypox the last few months
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Aw, I think he's plenty cute ingame though. But it really is a shame he doesn't bottom. I appreciate they wanted to play with tropes, he's almost a classic uke in personality (easily embarrassed, innocent, demure, has a secret dark side) so making him a top was interesting, and I like that he keeps his innocence in the H scenes and lets Eiden sort of be a powerbottom. But I personally also love that type of character as a bottom, so it hurts. Still love him though and would still rec this game, it has a lot of other good things in it.
You need to leave too and quit projecting your beliefs on everyone else when they've made it clear they do not feel the same way
Someone remember to take the shota sperg part out of the next thread's op
Kek it was fucking obvious that the ones infighting were faggot trannies, their insistence on stirring up trouble and making everyone uncomfortable gave them right away. Most de(/g/)ens here just accept their degeneracy and bring it casually, the need to yell about your fetishes is distinguishably male. Or at the very least a sign of deep autism. >>251907
Tbh fujochan was originaly made by /trash/ anons. They're already very welcoming with 4chan rejects.
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Fellow RE fujos, what's the best Leon/Chris or Leon/Krauser fic you can think of?
Wtf, I was looking forward to seeing them deal with the aftermath of minho's suicide attemp, and having some character development separately. Like wookyun being a mess and losing his company to his lil brother, minho either rebuilding his life or falling into old habits, maybe discovering unexpected symptoms of mild brain damage caused by the SA.
And then later meeting again and either getting closure or starting over.
There was still good plot to go through, I wonder if something happened with the authors or the publishers?
>>252947>It's been getting more active
Has it? It's pretty much the same dead shit as ever.
I'm not even sure why it exists, it's literally the same as this site but with less posters and the same rules.
Same obsession with 3d, same discussions ruined because people obsessed what "moids" like. May as well stick to this actually active topic.
How do people even use fujochan it seems to get like one new post per month. Most threads I would like to talk in get one post every three months.>>253355
I fully agree to everything you said here, yeah. My favorite lolcow threads are those about a specific anime or game because they have the lowest chance of turning into real life shit and I count caring about what some men like and why they like it as real life shit too. I just want to enjoy my fiction I don't care about the fanbase and most series have enough female fans and artists anyway.
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Is anyone else excited for slow damage to come out in english on the 15th? It's my nitro+chiral, the same people who made DMMD/dramatical murder and it was one of my favorite visual novels when I was younger, so I'm pretty excited myself. I hope it's not shit, kek.
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Sadistic beauty BL was such a pleasure to read, I can't get enough, now rereading it along with the official translation. Just looking at the handsome and crazy Wookyung gives me serotonin, the artist is simply amazing. Honestly, I would be okay with any ending, this title scratched the right itch, watching grown hot men torture each other is the best.
For single pieces of fan art? I just use twitter these days. You have to find and follow the people that draw what you want though, it's not made for browsing sadly.
Otherwise if you mean doujins the stuff I want barely ever gets anything scanned so I buy them myself every now and then.
Myrm good finding new stuff I am not into yet sometimes though, I don't see any ads there.
I don't think you understand what that anon was trying to say, the point was that stop worrying about what men think and enjoy stuff because you like it.
By some posters here they legit look like they'd wouldn't read shounen because they perceive it for men (which it, but stories can be enjoyed by multiple people).
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Currently getting off my lazy ass and scanning a 200 page doujin anthology of my OTP out of pure spite that I probably never would have bothered doing otherwise, just because I know the western fandom doesn't like it 'cause age gap (even though they're non-humans with impossible ages but that's nu-fandom for you). Get fucked, babies. Your butthurt may work on others, but backfires on me.
Holy shit I love you. One of the reasons I am drawing a certain guy and gay ship he's part of all time is that the western fandom hated him so much that they started to call fans of him far-righters for no logical reason but them meme'ing a classic villain into being that. So I felt I had to spread positivity or get blocked by those that cannot cope with it. He was one of my few favorites so I would have drawn him regardless, but this gave me an additional motivation.
The best is that you might spread love and actually encounter fans of this ship! Or encourage shy fans to admit their sympathy for them and enjoy drawing them too. It's fiction and chances are high that the haters and anti-shippers defend mass murdering characters somewhere (not that it's bad, it's fictional dudes), so fuck their bias anyway.
I personally only bother uploading to exhentai because MRM is a crapshoot on whether or not mods actually approve what I upload or not. I often like shit with small to nonexistent English fandoms, for example untranslated BL games, and I suspect if they don't know what the source material is they don't approve it even if it's labeled properly in the file name. Possibly because they don't care to have things that won't get them lots of clicks/traffic on their website (would also explain the explosion in furshit since furries are rabid and will click on everything with fur in it). Also apparently they've done trashy things with scanlators' uploads like edited out links on credit pages (makes me suspect the clicks/traffic thing again), and will also cave in and delete doujins/manga if their twittertard commenters cry hard enough about it.
In any case, MRM is shit and I hate that it ended up becoming the "go-to" for BL because retards were too scared/dumb/triggered
to use exhentai which has the most uploader-friendly and best tagging system out there.
Mrm definitely doesn't delete credits. They even took out a bad scans when I asked them.Its likely the uploader who did that.
I did notice they are weirdly selective with material, English translated stuff usually always get a pass, but doujins are often ignored if they are not from a popular series.
Ex is probably too niche for the average twitter user and thru don't know how to access it. Admittedly, I do know some people have problems accepting after making an account.
A friend of mine can access it with a vpn ever since it's been banned here, but I never tried it. Now I just buy competently translated, uncensored BL with my fujobucks.>>254231
It's because of shota I guess but as you said there's even worse than that out there. I guess it's because in France manga and anime always had the reputation of being inferior to everything else JUST because it's not French, which is why this pedo piece of shit Polanski is protected here, he's doing artsy movie for pretentious faggots so nobody who's actually important gives him shit. It has that reputation since the 90s and recently far right politicians wanted 18yo students to be banned from buying manga with their 300€ "pass culture" , some sort of grant, because all these kidd are buying manga and nothing else with it and they're seething hard. It's like how people used to say that GTA made kids psychologically unstable and super violent. Fuck Ségolène Royal btw.
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I love this trend of age gap relationships where the younger one is the top, more assertive, charming and chases the older one who is like "no way i'm gonna fall for this young guy/my student". I know it's still morally bad, but it doesn't feel that predatory to me. Like in pic related, it's not translated, but the teacher is the dark haired guy and his student is hitting on him
I am usually not into it exactly but this pic made me interested. So sad it's not translated.
I think all kinds of relationships can work if they are done right. I also have a weak spot for teacher/student shit tbh. I guess it's pretty typical for women or girls to have a crush on a teacher at some point which is why female authors are more likely to draw series like this. It helps that this manga doesn't make the age gap too obvious. It's not a shota and a teacher, but a guy who looks like the same age, so I assume he is 16-17 maybe? And the teacher a young one in his early 20s or something.
I started reading it because of these posts and damn, it's really fun. Even without the shipping the concepts and writing are really strong for a shounen, but the ships are icing on the cake. I'm currently really interested in Reo and Nagi. I'm at chapter 69 (ayy) and watching Reo throw a bitchfit after Nagi left him was super funny and interesting. I like seeing such a spoiled character get knocked down a peg buy someone as simpleminded as Nagi knowing how much Reo loves him. I'm curious to see if they'll be able to reconcile after all of this.
If anyone here has any BLLK fics, doujins, or fanartists they like pls rec.
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should i give Maiden Rose a shot? I'm very picky when it comes to BL or romance in general and i hope i'm only judging a book by its cover but i dislike how the man with the 3 meters large mouth looks and Taki is the reason why i was always interested in it
is the story good?
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Didn't know this had an OVA. I might give it a try. Can sadly not answer your question yet.>mouth guy
Dammit he could look hot if it wasn't for that stupid mouth and hairstyle. The hair looks from sideways but front view makes it look slightly stupid.
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Sad to hear, there are so few yaoi with historical settings I wish there was more of that instead of the current schoolboy trend.
I loved Winter Cicada a lot.
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superbat ended up on my tl somehow and i think it changed me as a person
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this is the pic btw, spoilered bc of sexual content.
Tasteful and hot. It kind of bums me out because I really kind of hate how BL started to emulate hentai and a lot of it is disgusting to me now. I wish it all looked more like this instead.
Also uke Batman is based
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pop team epic feeding us kekekekek the fact this was drawn by harada is hilarious
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My favorite gaslighters
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Me! N+C is a huge guilty pleasure for me.
I was disappointed with the designs and art direction (comon, the amount of troon or tacky-looking side characters is ridiculous), as well as the main cast besides Towa, but I'm still hyped for how fucked up it'll get. And maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised at how the characters are written. >>253355
WHAT? 3D? Do you mean they fixate on real men? That's absolutely mind-boggling. Or, do you mean they complain about males?
How could anybody even fall for it? I genuinely wonder if it was even women. To me it felt like it was just male anime fans pretending that women were into it.
I can get into het as well but that romance made me drop the show. You couldn't have a single damn Jeanne scene without her blushing and being all insecure and horny for the guy and Dominique or what her name was also mainly just exist to be the waifu of the other dude.
It's especially disappointing since Jeanne was introduced as the scary fighter and tomboy and the only episode that might feel slightly gay if you wear huge googles was the first one. I would genuinely believe that this manga was written by a man if I didn't know any better. Pandora Hearts was much better in every regard.
I don't like this either I swear it only happens with fujos with no other groups.
Same as the many new anime like that new "gay" spyxfamily that looks like a fujo show but then you read the bios and they make clear that one of the MC is a playboy.
Or look at shit like Kado, one of the worst, most aggressive anti-gay shows with gay bait I have ever seen. Make the show all about fujo pandering including a confirmed gay dude who is into MC and then force in the magical girl with episode 8/12 or something, pair her up with the MC, turn the bishounen who is probably gay too into a psychotic villain and kill him, undo everything the series achieved before plotwise (like saving humanity from starvation and war because that's evil now) and force the gay nice guy to babysit the kid of the guy that cucked him with the space waifu.
Yeah fuck it, not saying we need canon pairings but the fujo baiting and advertising for openly het shows annoys me.
No I mean another anime this is why I called it gay SxF. Forgot the name but P.A. Works announced an original with two guys who are cops or spies that adopt a little girl so it looks like a show riding on the hype SxF has caused but it's meant to pander fujos instead.
The thing is just that one of two dudes is described to be a woman lover that chases every hot lady in the down and he is also addicted to gambling so my fujo related expectations are low. It will probably be another show where one character is gay but the series makes it clear that he is friendzoned forever because they don't want to lose the mainstream audience either.
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I liked what I read of it but the scenes between Vanitas and Jeanne were so obnoxious I was shocked they even existed. Jeanne only exists to be kawaii uguuu after looking like a bad bitch for 5 pages at most and I have no clue how she's supposed to be relevant. It's like if Sakura in Naruto was there but only to make out with Sasuke instead of being friendzoned by him in semi funny ways.
i definitely feel like it tried to give off that vibe. i only watched a few eps befotre dropping it out of boredom but i remember thinking the opening was trying to fujobait bc it focused only on the two main characters fucking around in paris and you got the impression they had a significant relationship with eachother.
i actually did see a few people online being like 'this is very obviously bait', but on the flipside i saw a few people feeling genuinely disappointed lmao
true. I overlooked him and his cute shit eating grin because I'm not normally into the super boyish/sporty types. >>254763
kek this is such a blast to the past. I remember many, many years ago when it was first coming out paying to read the chapters because I was a Pandora fan and ended up dropping it. >>254844
do you suspect that the mangaka was trying to pander on purpose to guys and it failed, therefore the anime tried backpeddling? It's been an issue with what basically is shoujo manga being rebranded as shounen.
Did they? Im pretty sure only twitter though it was fujo, trying to convince themselves the leads are bi or whatever.
It reminds me how that anon talked how the concept of "Headcanon" changed in recent years
This topic won't like it, but it's true a lot of fujo are self hate morons who keep setting for less.>>254893
Honestly I doubt it. It's either both are gay or neither is. I expect weird friendship with some homoeroticism.
Holy shit are you me. PH was one of the first anime I fell in love.
Read it and dropped, honestly I was annoyed yo the gay bait and switch after the first chapters
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im never going to get over rereading pandora hearts and having the focus be on oz, alice, and gilbert when i wish pic related had way more appearances and not that shitty ending. RIP. the body snatching bit annoyed me too.
Yeah I was so disappointed by it too. I loved Pandora Hearts but this is just shit and I couldn't care less about the plot. I'm not even someone who exclusively reads bl, after all I read Pandora as well and loved it, but this one is just SO focused on the hetero romances that it has become annoying. Every girl character is there to drool over and blush at the sight of their designated guy, and the guys go from having gay-ish deep moments (Vanitas and Noe dancing, them strolling around Paris solving shit, Noe and the dead brother/best friend) to blushing and having awkward (bordering on embarassing because they really are a lot) hetero moments with characters they have no chemistry with. Jeanne must be some kind of self insert because liteally every character wants to fuck her but she's also supposed to be this shy but scary and powerful being everyone wants to stay away from?? She feels like a mary sue to me.>>254883>Or look at shit like Kado, one of the worst, most aggressive anti-gay shows
Oh my fucking god the waste that was that anime. So many episodes spent to build up the MC and this hot alien guy's relationship only to insultingly introduce the asspull waifu who somehow happens to also be an alien and they fuck of course. They could have explored on the complex/toxic
obsession of the alien or the things he offered more and find a way to make MC reason with him but nope, put the mary sue waifu there, have him fuck her, they have a fucking daughter and they defeat the "evil" guy that gave them infinite energy and food.
It legit felt like someone was hijacking the show because it's not only the gay part that's fucked, the entire series was building up to be the best anime dealing technological advancement brought by aliens willing to cooperate and help humanity to solve crises in a rational way and the MC's part was to discuss the pro- and cons with the alien.
It was FINALLY an anime that didn't force the stupid "technology = bad, suffering = good because it makes us human" meme that you see in almost every sci-fi anime in some way. The alien dude was also rational and trying to sell his stuff to the humans while being mindful of their fears.
And then suddenly they go all "nope, gayness and technology BAD", switches the genre and turns into one of the worst shitshows I have ever seen and I cannot view it as anything but anti-progress anti-gay propaganda for how blatant and bad it was. And yeah the gay dude was punished for being gay. He wasn't just forced to watch his crush marry and impregnate a magical alien girl (who is also a god) but he had to raise their kid for 16+ years alone to save humanity or some shit.
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I shipped them so hard back when Mass Effect was more popular. They had such a small but awesome fanbase who wrote novel-length content of lore surrounding them and they had awesome fics and art and I cannot remember a single bad experience with anybody who shipped them. I also found one of my best friends there who happened to be one of the fans involved creating stories for them.
I love these two ruthless aliens and their special OPs missions (and the tragic story). >>247243
I never assumed that the show would contain anything gay but I wished it would. The characters and designs were great. Generally a show I enjoyed quite a lot, would take more decent action comedy anime that aren't ecchi/isekai/harem shit.
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im gonna miss this story.
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this was the novel art for the kangs yeesu
Not everything is some master plan to get fujos, maybe hi and the editor though it would be fun.
Also about "delivering", jump manga couldn't write gay shit even if they wanted it
Not reading csm but I feel like the baiting got worse, both in the sense of how obvious they try to get fujobucks and how obvious it is that it means nothing. There are so many blatant het series I see in recent times where they shove in some obvious gay teasing even if the male and female character have sex on screen and it annoys me. I cannot imagine that anybody cares and falls for this so what's the point? Do they think fujos are so dumb that they believe some sudden teasing meant that the mal MC might cuck the main girl when half of the series was about that very romance?
Maybe if a series gets axed and the mangaka takes revenge I can imagine that happening, otherwise I rather not see it at all since it akin making fun of people that would be into gay ships.
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What's your favourite Gundam?
I see some Golden Kamuy or Jojo art go up to 30k or something sometimes, single pretty dudes can reach 50k or more if done by an artist with large follower base so I think you can get some good numbers somethings but yeah, I am not following moe and such but wouldn't wonder if it would regularly get higher numbers while being much, much easier to draw. And everything involving coomers doesn't need background or any interesting motifs or poses.
If you just want to be popular the easiest thing is to just draw anime girls and nothing else. Will be easier too so that's why some artists do it.
I am honestly glad that unlike the west where almost every no-name artist wants to become a professional and make money with art Asians and Eastern Europeans I see rarely do this and just draw what they love. I too have so much more fun drawing my boys or my niche ships than anything that would get me ten times the likes so I stick with this. The money isn't worth it anyway, you need like 10h-30h for a picture but what you get with comms or merch you sell are pennies.
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I was so happy when I read this the first time. I have heard the same coming from creators involved in the Transformer franchise. Most male fans only cared about the toys and or asked about shitty badass crossovers that make no sense but that they wanted to see so that their favorite toylines would do cool pew pew together.
Meanwhile women were interested in the comics and cartoon lore and the characters. A long-time male fan who happened to be into the stories said the same to me.
I am glad they acknowledged that with the IDW comics and the many gay pairings that must have caused a lot of strokes among the male boomer fanbase.
In terms of Tomino Gundam, I had a blast watching Zeta and shitposting on /m/ (4chins) back in the day. This was like a little over 10 years ago. I also loved the characters and world building in Turn A.
For non-Tomino Gundam, I liked 00 the most. Still makes me lol that they got Yun Koga (of Loveless fame) to do the character designs. It got so many doujins back in the day it isn't funny. Still follow one artist who's been into it since it aired and still tweets about it daily. Some keks were had when something she often writes in her doujinshi/fanart basically became canon in the stage play, and half the fandom immediately thought of her and @ed her when it was revealed.
>>255301>and half the fandom immediately thought of her and @ed her when it was revealed.
I love when such things happens lol I love such fans. Other fans someone @ed me when someone is drawing my rare pair or the artists do it themselves because by now everybody knows that I am that one guy that likes these niche characters. I am sure that at least five or so would @ me if one of them should ever re-appear again in the franchise I follow and it's great to know that.
I didn't watch any of the recent Gundam series I should catch up again. The only one I tried is the Witch that airs right now but it was the first Gundam in ages that I dropped. Even BL pandering aside I didn't like the characters and it felt like a kindergarden drama to me.
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The funny thing about CSM 2 is Fujimoto recently saying he read and recommends the BL Sleeping Dead. Some people already commented about their similarities when CSM 2 began, like the design of the MC and the way she “died” at the beginning of the series. Her friend also reminded me of the scientist from Sleeping Dead, they’re both homely nerds who want to support their friend and murder bullies.
I don’t really see Fujimoto intentionally making fujobait content but I really, really think he found a handful of visuals and story elements in SD that he has tried mixing into his own moid storytelling.
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Reminds me how Satoru Noda talked about enjoying the BL story Yuki to Matsu. Though with Noda it's not really surprising, but I am still glad that there are some male mangaka that read BL and aren't afraid of saying so.
Same I liked when it was just two best friends and one realizing he loved his bff and the other accepting him and loving him in his own way
The other pairing is just so lame I’m sorry
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Bara is irredeemably disgusting to me. Moid gaze content made for moid tastes blegh ugh
Here is some eye bleach for anyone scarred for life by the word Bara
>>255404>>255406>>255403>Dislikes bara>Cleanses us with ugly 3d shit
GK is bara as fuck though. Drawn by a man, body hair, muscles everywhere
This is pure delusion. Nonnie
even thinks its all just one person along with thinking Golden Kamuy is bara when most of the guys there are lean and muscles don't come up a lot. If it was Jojo, maybe you'd have some legs to stand on but naming Golden Kamuy is pure delusion.
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>>255452>>255452>This is pure delusion.
Please explain it to me how this isn't bara. It's even done by a (likely bisexual) man.
The only reason you don't want to admit it's bara it's because on this site bara is considered bad and you can't enjoy anything the echo chamber tells you it's bad.
I can, so I have no problem admitting I enjoy GK beefy, bara men.
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Not them but wasn't bara a fixed term for a very specific type of fat hairy fetish character? I would call Tanigaki bara in that sense (since he also gets fat later so it matches), otherwise maybe Kiroranke but not sure about the rest. Ogata is borderline twinky and in some panels he has the face of a k-pop idol and Sugimoto is just a handsome athletic man.
I have no problem calling it bara btw and usually do so when I talk to friends about it.
But I bet common bara fags would call it fake because they are too pretty. I would say "bara for women" lol but both Araki and Noda are men publishing shounen/seinen manga. Would honestly not complain if there was a proper term for this type of bara or whatever you call it.
you do you, I think it's funny as a joke, but everyone is three-times fatter in the bara porn I've seen.
also bara is typically a term for pornography, it would be like calling something "hentai" because the characters have big boobs.
Yeah this is my problem. Not me being paranoid of the term. The thing is just that it is a Japanese term, so we have to look at how the Japanese use it.
I don't think it's a problem if it's used among the western female bubble if fans use it to specify their taste (like a saw a lot of Gamagori fangirls calling him bara) but it might confuse people outside of that bubble. Personally I just call them "big beefy" guys or something. Wish we had a specific english term for this that only applies to muscular handsome manga and cartoon characters.
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The body art for this story is fucking awful, it looks like it was drawn by someone who has a fetish for transmen or for men with gynecomastia.
First of all the black haired guy literally has FEMALE boobs, and the character hips look a bit weird too.
The light brown hair character's face reminds me of Onision.
The story is cringe as hell with the author trying to force comedy and and derp faces in every slide when its not needed. The characters remind me of wookyung and minho…..but a version if the two of them had down syndrome or autism.
How the hell is this the most famous manhwa smut….pls we need something better than this.
there is really good korean shit though (wait that sounded wrong lol)
But most of those stories tend to have a medium viewership.
The ones who have a high viewership like 1-7million always tend to be bad and overrated.
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I've definitely see some bara art that is not like that.
I like men with big chests (think JJK Toji) so I occasionally tend to eye some bara art, as long there aren't too many body hair and they aren't giant balloons.
The word bara comes from Barazoku, the name of a gay magazine.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barazoku
It started getting used sort of as a slur, then sort of got reclaimed, then fell into irrelevancy. Nobody in Japan has used this term anymore for anything for a long, long time. When they refer to the geicomi Tagame body type they use gachimuchi. In any case, using any of these terms outside of the context of geicomi is pants on head retarded.
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Tagame on the term "bara".
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Me too sister. To me the whole appeal of BL is the character looking like men so I'm a rare fujo who is note very much into long hair/very feminine uke.
So artists like Kyuugo (bless her) are like my jam.
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Same here, thanks for the rec these designs look decent.>>255585
It is. Drawfag here so sorry for the sperging: coloring is hard and good coloring takes a lot of time. When you draw something the first layers of color will always make the pic look worse than without it. It needs a lot of refining, a good eye for color schemes and ideally knowledge about how lighting and shading work and how to use them to lead the eye to make it really good.
Because contrast is VERY important in a pic since tells you where the focus lies, gives you a sense of space and depth and makes the whole composition look good because we like what we can easily recognize since it gives off a sense of harmony.
If you consider pic related pretty for example chances are high that the pretty and clear contrast is the main reason for it. The other reason is the harmony of colors in it.
Most Manhwas suck at all of that and since they are colored they spend less time than mangaka thinking about how do create contrasts, lights and shadows to make the important parts stand out in monochrome panels. So not only do the colors themselves look flat, the panels do as well and the background is as light/dark as the characters in the foreground, merging all of it into a mush or inharmonic chaos, especially if everything is pastel-colored, respectively too colorful without any sense of beauty.
Manga:>anorexic bodies>child faces>characters are either raping each other or only kiss in the last chapter because they're too autistic to deal with their feelings properly>annoying phrases like " a-ano, e-eto, X-X-kun… " being said all the time
Manhwas are much better than shitgas
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>>255612>anorexic bodies>child faces
As opposed to pinheads and K-pop hair?>characters are either raping each other or only kiss in the last chapter because they're too autistic to deal with their feelings properly>annoying phrases like " a-ano, e-eto, X-X-kun… " being said all the time
As opposed to perpetual BPD behaviour?
Gundam Wing, but other than that I still really like the original, Charmuro was like one of my first ships kek. I kind of lost interest in Gundam by the time SEED got really popular though, and I haven't watched any of the newer series. Are there any you recommend nonnie
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I think it comes from a general misunderstanding in how pecs work and what muscles are like
Holy shit that pic >>255638
is spot on lmfao
I don't mean any offence, but if you think >>255699
is hot, I feel like your one step away from watching balloon inflation porn
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For my big uke enjoyers who are also okay with rape, go read manhwas made by potion (plaything, holiday, app).
She has some good shit also on her twitter too.
It is fully voiced in japanese? I know enough japanese to understand the dialogue so I prefer to see the original lines, but figuring out gameplay stuff in japanese is annoying.
But I guess things like internal monologues and scene descriptions are only available in English?
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kek this part from slow damage made me chuckle, good to see they have imageboards too
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anyone have bl with tsundere ukes that are notably shorter than the seme? i have no triggers
. if the uke's feminine that's even better
pic sauce: https://mangadex.org/title/6ac9c4f1-f381-4e26-98bd-4048edaf9e4c/naka-made-aishite
Depends on the type of hater. Some get mad for seeing male character getting sexualised, especially if it's fan shipping of dudes from non-BL series, others are weirded out because it's women sexualising something for once which is degenerated or something.
Others again are fanatical kinner-self-inserters that get a panic attack if you pair their husbando up with another character, especially a man they cannot self-insert into and the religious crazies get mad on principle because it's a sin and so on.
There are also the guys that cannot view a franchise as anything but their pure "childhood" series and act as if you just shot a kid if you lewd up some adult 2D dudes from a cartoon they enjoyed 20 years ago. The level of autism most BL haters display is exceptional.
>>256667>Literally all bl is like that.
no it isn't, a lot of the shit i've seen just scrolling through mangadex's yaoi tag is hyper masc dude x hyper masc dude. i'm getting tired of not finding what i want (or i do, and the art is ugly/from like early 00's). where are all the cute ukes at>>256688
this is what i mean. gravitation's art is not to my taste
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WAKE UP HUNNYS.
New buff tall uke manhwa just dropped.
Name: 마계의 달 (moon of the devil world)
Status: ongoing its a new manhwa.
Currently there are no chapters fan translated since its new, its posted on ridibooks.
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currently there is only a promo chapter
The guy looks awesome but damn I wish I could view the other dude as anything but a girl with a dick. I like feminine bishounen too but a Griffith would have worked perfectly here, at least give him some little bit of muscles or something.
Might read it for the other dude, though, he is hot.
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>>256738>Because edgy, slutty looking high fantasy guys with long hair who still look masculine remind me of Dark Schneider so much and I wish we had more of that shit in BL.
Holy shit someone that understands me. I dig buff fantasy rulers, evil god guys and warlocks so much but they are so rare. Especially the slut part is always missing otherwise, I want more mansluts in general.
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It's a manhua but maybe check out 4 Week Lovers? Nothing groundbreaking but I like it a lot.
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Anyone read this, is it good?
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Finally, someone who gets it. I want to watch the new Bastard anime just for the retarded main character because I read the manga long ago and it was super trashy but fun. Bastard is a super influencial manga, I don't get how the main character didn't have more copycats. It's a shonen manga and to this day I have no clue who the fuck approved this manga's publication in the Shonen Jump, sure but come one, plenty of BL artists are into shonen manga.
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this same artist also made ''sheeps mask'' which is a horror rape bl.
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checked the tags for lost in the cloud and it has the psychological tag so its not a fluffy/cute story.
Same here. I read the manga in the early 00s (was licensed early in my country hell it must have started here around 2002 or something) and was a fan of it together with some friends. But unlike Berserk it doesn't seem like it inspired many to copy the MC for some reason.
It's strange because as you say first of all many BL mangaka probably know that series and secondly BL is already flooded with arrogant and powerful semes so we might as well go a step further and make them hot-headed and magical too. I even think that many of the power gap series would work much better if the series was trashier and the seme dumb, despite of his powers. I am not a fan if it's too serious, makes it feel creepy sometimes-
Besides that I also just need more high fantasy yaoi in general. BL with story aren't rare, so why not put some of them into a magical setting? Especially with the flood of isekai we get I am a bit disappointed that almost all of it is harem or otome so far (I prefer genuine fantasy, but still).
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Anyone else excited for Vol 3 of Madk? I saw on twitter that it's up for preorder now. No word on english translation though.
It's currently one of the very few BLs I keep up with. I really enjoy the characters and the art, and the story feels less cliché than other school-setting BLs imo. >>256780
I can't wait! It's been so long.
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slow damage is so fucking…disappointing. i like the setup and i'm still early in but towa's too much of a slut, he has no purity. he has no cuteness. wtf do i want to read the mental state of some grody walking cum toilet for? i want a cute uke like picrel (kimi no yoru ni fureru)
lmao like >>256984
said, it's a nitro + chiral game, what did you expect? there's other bl games out there with 'pure cute' protagonists. hell, even n+c has dmmd and lamento, off the top off my head the protagonists while not cutesy and innocent at least weren't massive sluts.
also no offence anon but your image choice + the way you worded your post are sus
Akira was straight up autistic in the least cute way possible.>hhuuu I wonder why my best friend is always following me around and caring about my wellbeing. better insult him in front of everyone instead of having a normal discussion even though I actually like him and I'm glad he's my friend!>a man eating tree bark like a homeless crackhead? oh no my dick is hard now!
This poor boy has room temperature IQ in celsius, he's beyond help.
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each to their own sis >>256996
no idea, i'll have to keep playing. currently at the point where he leaves the apartment full of plants with a fucking five inch deep (?) cut in his arm that, somehow, doesn't spark any real concern or fear in him
towa is one of those characters with very tragic EDGY backstories, he has a lot of trauma and that's why he behaves the way he does
spoilers for the endingunfortunately he becomes a malewife/housewife in his true route
ngl i lost all interest in this when i found out the author was a male >>256960
I miss Dmmd so much nonnies. I wish I could play it again for the first time.
I guess I'll play Slow Damage but I don't think I'll like it as much. The character designs and art style are not very appealing. Dmmd designs were 10/10 creative, fun, visually appealing.
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whatever was going on here never left my mind
Game is mid even without JAST's inane translation. 3/4ths of the game are basically filler where there is no plot (and what little plot there is is ridiculously retarded), which makes it worse because the game presents itself as "dark and serious". The real game is chapter 1 and then the true route, which is very good, but sadly weighted down by the previous 40 hours of filler (yes, that is how long it takes to get there). The 3 filler LIs' dynamic with Towa is really that not interesting and the endings are all vanilla (definitely none of the fun crazy bad ends of DMmd. They're probably saving them for a fandisk/DLC which is disappointing). I wouldn't go in with high expectations or you'll be disappointed. And that's even if you play in Japanese without having to read JAST-original shit like eye-pussy
The game almost makes fun of you for wanting Towa to be a fun slut by giving you a bad end when he fucks other people
. Vanilla sex only! It's even worse than Aoba.
And oh boy if you already thought that of Rei and Taku's route get ready for Madarame's route to dive even deeper down this abyss of Quality. He wasn't planned as an original LI when the game was first announced and it shows. His route is unfinished and ridiculously boring
. I would just CTRL skip it tbh. Fujieda is where the plot is at.
The former. It's really a game about healing the slut and turning him into a catholic housewife that only does missionary sex with the lights off.
Who this appeals to I have no idea.
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Slutty boys are based, I'm enjoying the fuck out of slow damage.
Please be patient with my autistic fight son, he's trying his best.
Honestly though I really liked Akira as a protagonist, the main problem with togainu is that there's like two good routes (Rin and Keisuke) and the rest are either garbage or funny cringe edge but written like shit like Shiki's route.
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>>257063>I don't get Shiki's popularity
Edge was in during the 2000s.
okay, wanted to read this but the translation is terrible. which is a shame, because it does seem to be what i'm wanting>>256734
hashihime too (but i've already played it)
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there's nothing wrong with being a fujo! fujos are amazing!
You can tell if it's a man or a woman by themes and how pretty is the art. I don't think I've ever seen a gay man draw a genuinely beautiful man that isn't a big hairy ape.>>257281
There's no proof of that?
Is this her? Doesn't look like a moid. https://anidb.net/creator/52776
I don't know much about her but does explicitly claim to be male, or are people just assuming because she uses boku?
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Yeah, that's Suzuri Ryo. Everyone assumes she's a male because of the boku use but she set herself up as a female in her own old account. She doesn't post her face and has publicy appeared with a big ass mask and layered clothing.
I just find it hard to believe that a male can draw gracefully like that, make interesting female-gaze designs and spam his twitter with AUs (that have far too much effort put into them) of his own characters going on fluffy dates and also making angsty/cute fanart of videogame/show characters. Plus the female characters in the old works aren't sexualized and one's about a plain girl falling in love with this beautiful alien man winged thing. That's just such a woman thing to do… a male would just draw ugly smut over and over with no plot or depth. If it is a male then it's a very odd one.
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I read it on mangago! There seems to be one person translating it that does good translations, but unfortunately there are some chapters that are double uploaded with a fucking god awful translation. I haven't read the official translation except for the first chapter and it… seems like really subpar work kek I couldn't believe that it was worse than the unofficial one I was reading.
I was excited when the official translation came out because I really wanted to buy it but why would I pay for subpar translation?!
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I wonder if they will give this story the same ending as sadistic beauty.
No dumbass, I'm just not sexist enough to think women only drawn in a certain style. You sound like one of these people who think FMA mangaka is man.
For a site for women this site is a worse echo chamber than reddit.
Because JJK is more popular between women than CSM
I feel you. I love all series as long as they have good chemistries tbh regardless of who made them I just want hot guys with good interactions and a story that doesn't bore me.
I wish casual gay relationships weren't so hard to find in manga. This is one thing comics sometimes do better IMO. I don't read Marvel or DC so no idea about them but with less known series sometimes gays just pop up in a sci-fi or space series where you didn't see it coming, while the plot evolves naturally. I need more of this.
Most gay stuff is fully romance or sex focused which is nice when you are in the mood of it but sometimes I desire long-running series that more than mundane gay fluff or non-stop kink porn (not that any of this is bad on principle). I think this is why I desire gay VNs so much. They are usually fully gay too, but have at least a main plot that isn't related to gayness and romance.
>>257529>Saying most men draw like shit is sexist
It's just literally the truth. Go on mrm's main page and you'll be able to easily spot exactly which manga/comics are drawn by men. It's not my fault they're allergic to appealing styles. Women can draw in a lot more art styles and handle a variety of themes well because they're not constantly thinking with their pussies and even when they are a lot of the time they make the effort to give some sort of depth. Even men like Nagabe who have cute art styles can't help but suspiciously include innocent loli/big monster guy shit in their works.>>257566>this site cannot go 5 minutes without hating men
You are free to discuss and post about whatever you like, you can absolutely ignore a couple of posts about BL styles and differences.
tbh i kinda like the small close-knit community on fujochan
it's pretty comfy
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Am I so late to the party but how do nonnas feel about the Hades?
I saw so much hype for it and pretty fanart that I eventually started it and I didn't even know the game was gay too! I saw all the gay fanart of course but that doesn't mean much since people ship everything.
Now that I am playing it am digging the designs even harder. I especially love the color schemes all characters have. I hope the designer will do more in the future.
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I just read this story and all i have to say is wow, its dark but slightly impressive with a message behind it??
Dont read if you dont want to see spoilers below.forgot the character names so ill just call them purple hair and black hair, purple hair lives a nice and stable happy life with friends and a job, while he is looking at the rear view in his car he notices someone inside the car who then kidnaps him and takes him to his place, there the purple hair is subjected to abuse and rape, the purple hair almost dies by not eating food and then the black hair hooks him to a IV, then the purple hair wakes up and he is only wearing a military shirt then the black hair asks him if he remembers him from the military, the purple hair has forgotten everything he did in the military even when the black hair tells him his name. Then we get a short backstory and glimpse on what the black hair talking about and thats when we realize that purple hair was actually the scumbag abuser, during military the purple hair bullied the black hair, raped him, encouraged others gangraping him and hiding it from the supervisor. After that the black hair makes it his goal to try and catch purple trying to escape and kill him. Unfortunately purple hair starts to pretend to act obedient and stays inside the house and never leaves which makes black hair angry since he is waiting every day for him to try to leave so he can kill him. On the final day the black hair get tired of waiting and starts preparing to murder purple hair and starts the preparation. The purple hair was able to escape by untying himself while the black hair was too busy preparing, he then grabs a knife and hides while black hair is looking for him. He overpowers black hair and stabs him to death. The he runs outside covered in blood where he collapses. Then a year passes and purple hair gets his life in order again and still doesn't remember the things he did to black hair or cares, then suddenly black hair shows up in his door again, the purple hair losses his mind because he knows he killed him so why is he still alive and suddenly the purple hair transports back to where he was kidnapped again in ropes and the black hair injecting him with a needle….then he wakes up and he is in the mental hospital and there was a nurse injecting him with a needle while he is screaming and hallucinating, then from the back of the mental hospital he can see black hair watching him (which i think is also a hallucination). The story ends with the black hair dead and the purple hair in the mental hospital.
Sorry if my summary is shit.
This shit is rampant in every fandom tbh so feminine looking man attract these fans like flies. I even see burly evil dudes being feminized by the fandom so I can only imagine how often it happens with twinks.
I always asked myself the same question as well. Why latching onto a fujo show or sausage fest and not one of the gorillion canon het things out there? It never made sense to be. Same as being into a character but changing him completely till the only thing in common with the canon version are the color scheme and the name.
It's nice but the relationship is pretty hard to profess at first.
But it was nice to play a game with an openly bi protagonist
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the creator of bj alex made a new manhwa by the name of ''Jinx''
The art looks really good for this one.
Also warning that the seme is a possible red flag.https://mangabuddy.com/jinx/chapter-1
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The porny tit stuff is another trend I witnessed as well. Yaoi artist who draws for a fujo series suddenly drawing the bottom one with tits. Most only hint tits but some literally draw giant megaboobs with nipples, so actual nsfw fanart but.. het? Or something. No idea what it is supposed to be.
>All their art starts looking like typical scrote art too.
Exactly this. I would think it was male hentai coomers if I didn't know they drew pretty m/m or yuri before. To make it worse every woke and (female) genderspecial person I see hypes this shit up as if it was the most progressive thing to do to lust over giant cow tits like some porn addicted otaku and draw hentai with it.
They probably think they are super woke for proving that they are bi or lesbian and horny but honestly not even my male friends talk like this and it weirds me out a bit seeing women lusting over that in discords with hundreds of people, being proud of it and calling it epic if some former yaoi and yuri artist starts drawing the worst type of male type coomer trash all of a sudden.
But I guess as long as you pretend that the woman is "male" it still counts as "yaoi" to them. I hate that words stopped having meanings lol
Thanks for all those anons talking about Slow Damage, I got it now too. Hope I can start it next week or so!>>257891
Yeah this is what I think as well. Not sure how true this is but perma-online people take everything happening in a community too damn seriously. Honestly I never gave a shit and I am drawing shipping art since 2008 or something and never had an active hater. Just avoid drama at all costs, it's actually easy but many feel the need to engage with everything and virtue signal or argue about stupid shit. Sometimes I was about to write a complaint tweet as well but stood up before I hit the enter botton, drank a cold beer and deleted it when I came back. Meaningless hassle. If I rant to vent for a second I do it on 4chan or here.
Right? Him and his friends saying hon legit felt like a shitpost that was modded in (ie: replacing normals with normie in chaos;child kind of thing)
His whole death matches thing also just feels so confused writing wise to me most of his route is centered around his dad and debt thus far and how Rei is too kind and loving to the people around him to the point where he refuses to ever ask for help and just bottles it all up yet his hobby is beating people up till they’re unconscious? Was it so we’d have a slightly easier time believing he’d top Towa or something?
I couldn't get into bj alex but interested to see where this goes. Kind of tired of the timid bottom stuck paying debt trope but I like problematic
tops so I'll probably keep up with this.
lbr they're all a bunch of self-centered narcissistic pricks (both the westerners and the japanese girlies). they like gay ships, but they also believe the gay characters would absolutely fall in love with them (and their female avatar) because they're soo special and sexy and who wouldn't fall in love with such a gorgeous girl? kek this is why there's a lot of manga with girl x okama-ish/androgynous LIs lately, they're convinced they can pull off anyone
even if they deny with "no i just like X-chan i don't self-insert" there is still a level of projection
i finished takus route and started reis, and i do think reis is a LOT more interesting so far. i liked takus ending but he's so fucking boring as a character, and i wasn't expecting to enjoy reis route but its been pleasantly surprising ao far.
as far as blood and guts go… yeah honestly i tjink that's just the kind of vn. if you're anything like me though anon I think you'll enjoy the final sex scene in takus route, its very wholesome
its funny actually i went into the game blind and didn't even realise i was on takus route until near the end lol, they have like 0 chemistry its insane
Has anybody recs for yaoi (preferably manga or VNs) with problematic
subs? The power gap shouldn't be too huge, basically two dudes with about the same strength but the moral roles are reversed and it's the bottom who is the sarcastic nihilist or slut, criminal or something. I liked Saezuru for similar reasons but thanks to a job I that I hated I haven't read anything yaoi the last years. >>258108
I witness this too. It doesn't help that most of them self-insert or "kin" either. This is the reason for the trans-washing I think. A woman relates to a male character but wants to be him so she turns him into an Aiden, so a woman. This is why they also feminise them or make characters fat.
These people and classic kinners are also incredibly defensive about every single of their headcanons and they have a billion. Hell, I knew one that copied her own life and family and "headcanoned" it to be 1:1 the story and environment of a canon character and if you disagreed with her about a 40 year old alien dude having an evangelical grandma, a dog and and a house in some US state I forgot the name of then she would attack you and call you out for being toxic
I am soooo glad to find someone that thinks the same. Taku's route is so awkward. I don't wanna shit talk him but "I-I am attracted to you" was so awkward. He should have just been dadzoned. Am on the final route now and I hope to God the big revelation isn't that he is gay or wants Towa too. Would be tedious. >>258351>all
Calling millions of people self-centered narcissistic pricks over what they like and having perfect confidence in it is more pricklike and narcissistic, because it means you assume your own theory of mind for complete strangers is perfect and also means you think all of them think, "oh, Mr. Gay totally fall for me! I am so perfect!" No? That's a stretch. Lots of insecure girls with horrible family lives made up Mary Sues when they were growing up as coping mechanisms. It's lame, yes, but, no, it'd be kind of silly to say they all had NPD. Duh? So many more examples can be used. Just because someone has a self-indulgent fantasy of who they want to be doesn't make them pricks or whatever, adults included.
not you again, did I hit a nerve? do you feel called out? do you have to complain everytime someone dares to say anything bad against your otome friends and their conversion therapy fantasies?>Lots of insecure girls with horrible family lives made up Mary Sues when they were growing up as coping mechanisms
not muh tragic backstory, it's still a narcissistic thing to do regardless of your family situation. all your kind does is ruin niche fujo spaces when you could mind your own business in hetshipper communities
See, that's what I mean. I don't like otome nor the, uhh, "kawaii". I find it too…perfect? I don't have otome friends. I never had a Mary Sue character, I found some kind of cute back in the day, some cringe. I used it as an example. But, you made up stuff about me that you are 100% sure is true. I didn't do the same for you. You call millions of girls and women fucked up, then get offended when someone doesn't like it. The lack of basic empathy is palpable.
also>not you again>conversion therapy
You know what's incredible about this? It shows my point. I've just been posting about Slow Damage…that is my only posts in this thread, I pretty much just play yaoi visual novels, but…apparently I am some deranged person that keeps on haunting you and responding to your posts because everyone that disagrees with you is the same villain with some sort of mass-brainwashing plan. Wow.
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Hello fellow sisters.
I played Hashihime a few years ago and it had a much more involved plot and it didn't feel like it dragged on like Slow Damage is. Maybe I just don't like Taku's route because I've played almost every BL vn that has been translated.>>258352>>258429
I got to the first sex scene and it's so fucking awkward and weird. This man is 46 years old and is blushing and won't fucking hurry up, it took me out of the mood kek. He isn't a very attractive character and apparently isn't uptight, so it's weird that he acts like that. I wish I could skip past it all but I sunk too many hours in to just give up on the plot.>>258563
KEK are the crossdressers annoying or funny? I might do Rei's route next instead of going straight to Fujieda if it is worth it. I am not really into Rei's overbearing type of character though. I'm trying not to be a complete hater but it's hard, nitro+chiral gave me high standards over the years.
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>>258565>I played Hashihime a few years ago and it had a much more involved plot and it didn't feel like it dragged on like Slow Damage is. Maybe I just don't like Taku's route because I've played almost every BL vn that has been translated.
That's cuz Hashihime's first route is the route that backloads all the plot and plot twists. It's actually pretty much a novel by itself. I don't think I've played anything like that before, it's very fast paced and the the characters back-and-forts are "snappy", for lack of better words. Also the plot is actually good.
Slow Damage for what I played it's just very, very slow. I've seen people describe as "characters talks a TED talk" and I have to… agree? The cast doesn't really seem very interesting to me. And the dialogues are just so boring for me. I had the same issue with DMMD and TnC.
I don't know how to explain, but it's like even the writers aren't interested inthe cast. I heard the last route is actaully very good but I can't get past the boring Taku or Rei's routes.
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Idk, I liked Rei's route more than the other ones but there's a lot of parts I completely deleted from my mind, okama included. And I'm biased because I really liked how bratty and teasing Towa is to Rei, who's vulnerable and inexperienced but also dominates Towa. This dynamic in VN is rare!
I also thought it was the most romantic route; they go on outings and have moments of levity. I also found Rei getting beat up hot. Judge me. Still feels like a lot of wasted potential, the route overall does feel vestigial, much like how Taku's did.
Also I tried Hashihime and…I just got through the first story. I read a review saying that the other routes feel tedious. Still not sure whether or push onward. I do like the sadist.
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Ayrt, I liked every route in Hashihime, especially Minakami and Hakase. Hanazawa was a bit boring and filler, but the other routes make up for him. Hashihime was extremely well written. Also I had no clue UuultraC was finally translated and on Steam! I will probably try that one too.
Slow Damage is definitely slow. I know it has a darker tone in comparison to Hashihime of the Old Book town, but it feels like Towa is a caricature of a guy that doesn't care about life and everyone is coddling him. How many times do we need to repeat him doing the same actions, like drinking and smoking or pointless idle conversations that lead nowhere? The mini game for interrogations doesn't matter, Taku and Rei don't have any positions besides parenting Towa. Anons mentioned a lack of chemistry and that's pretty apparent, Towa has more chemistry with side characters. I was more interested in the "euphoria" plots than the main love interests and those guys were infinitely more likeable with 1/4th the screen time of Taku/Rei.
I was expecting something more like Lamento or Sweet Pool going into this.
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Oh, yep, that's what I mean. It felt so…good and complete? And the idea that it wasn't really the canon considering the nature of the universe
gutted me. Isn't it awkward that Minakami is the first route? I wonder what the writers were thinking. Well, I might go eyeball Kawase at least, throuple or no.
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I think she ran out of time. As the other anon said, it was made by one person. That's why there are so many extra material that clear up various story points also all the routes are technically canon, the last one isn't the "true one", despite what is presented in the game.
But the second route is very good! I really like Kawase. But it does feel like a very "spin off route" because you already know all the answers to the misteries. But I also think why the novel got so popular in Japan, because the first two routes are just so good, both Minakami and Kawase are popular archetypes and they are done well. I prefer Minakami myself because I do like the reincarnation romance angle and the fact Tama is in love with him already.>>258714
NC are hit or miss for me. Personally, I enjoyed some routes, but the actual package is often nonsensical or bad.
multiple manhuas that i read came to mind when you said this, kek.
The one thing i do like about chinese bl is that there is less rape compared to manhwa/manga's
Slow damage is less cartoony than dmmd, which is good in some ways but bad in others. I miss the crazy iconic parts of dmmd (ie there’s no twist as hilarious as the Ren plot) but enjoy sd’s more serious take too.
There are also some nominal similaries in the plots. Shinkoumi is similar in concept to Platinum Jail, for example. But it’s subverted in sd.
It's been way too long since I played them so I can't really judge. I might try Lamento again.
I think SD is weirdly unactualized; routes 1-3 felt tourtisty and then the final one which actually seems to do things with the characters and bring things together way more in a way that I had been missing in the other routes. Is it because it's intended to be the true route so the rest of the game just lacks the gravitas?
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I know nobody cares but 19 days is probably nearing its end because they're finally kissing
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>tfw my favourite N+C VN is Sweet Pool
fuckers got me reading abo/assbabies and loving it
TnC is the worst overall