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A new thread for drama revolving around Net-idol/dance cover group drama.
Currently (from the 2nd drama thread)> Caroline and Neosenshis manager literally fought between themselves on lolcow instead of going to DMs> Carolines posts eventually got outted by lolcow mods, and the posts of her pretending to be other people/trying to change subject were made for all to see> Caroline quit instagram over her own mistake> Start Splash leader left the group, and both groups have gone silent> Prism idols disbanded
You’re in for a hell of a time. New England’s idol community is like Texas Idol Comm Lite.
I don’t know how many groups are active currently due to COVID but if you haven’t read the previous idol threads, the first thread touches on Idolized/@idolizedne and some shit they have pulled in the past, >>45079
is a good starting point.
First thread >>36218
Sage for not really contributing, but I feel like I’ve read once that Dietshampoo is ~toxic
~. It’s worth checking the past threads if you haven’t, I know for sure there’s been more discussion on Darling in the first thread. I also don’t believe they’re directly affiliated with Idolized besides having had some of their past/current members.
I guess the main thing I dislike about diet shampoo is that she can't dance but always makes herself the center.
also this is a nitpick but it irritates me that she takes awful care of her circle lenses (doesn't switch out the solution regularly or throw them out when they expire etc) lol. Her friends yell at her for it on her vlogs but ig she doesn't care that you only get one pair of eyes.
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Theyre east coast groups because she talks about nyc cons and liverpool in the comments. You know you’re a cow if you get banned from wholeass cons. Want more milk on this.
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A new east coast idol group popped up. I have 1 question though why is a 26yr old this shadow person in a group with 16 yr olds? That is creepy.
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Waited a good month to post this but here is the proof.
Highly agree. I know that it’s up to the organizers to allow who they want in the festivals, but when I see idol festival, I don’t see any instrumentalists in them. It’s annoying to see a bad meme loving flautist and a social awkward pianist play in what I thought would be a singing and dancing showcase, especially since the spot could have gone to someone who was actually an idol….. not to mention, almost all the showcases this year have been pretty low ranking.
Also the way she and shining idol festival handled it was just absolutely cringe.
It’s Because everyone has become comfortable with mediocre talent, no one is trying to get better and push themselves.
Like get some singing lessons and music lessons (cause singing won’t teach you music theory) and actually work on your craft.
Can’t really blame the organisers when real talent is hard to come by.
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colorful.halation is promoting their new upcoming PV, that they have recorded during quarantine.
Honestly, I’m extremely disappointed. They didn’t even try to make it into a cute quarantine video by wearing masks. You heard me right, none of them are wearing masks in the video. They replied to someone concerned about social distancing in the comments with “don’t worry we’ve been safe UwU” Obviously not, since you’re not even wearing masks. It does not matter that you guys are close, and you’re 99% sure all of you are safe. You are still putting yourself and others in danger. I know for a fact several of the idols in the video still work jobs where they interact with people. You can never be sure, ESPECIALLY since not everyone is social distancing and staying home in the first place.
They just HAD to record their cute ‘aidolu video’ that they couldn’t wait until it was safe to make.
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Caroline's Homophobic self out here attacking Bi's for made-up events. What a disgrace. And when asked about it she can not provide proof of the events she claims happened.
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I’m downloading the original copy right now as an OIC admin said she was editing the video, will reupload for anyone who misses the original. According to other commenters she comes off as bitter and abrasive and did not ask any of the idols for permission to use their content in her video, including a minor.
Sage for off topic
I’ve never heard of kazu and couldn’t find anything related to her when I looked up a couple keywords, can you link the/a discussion
Look on the archives for the latest thread. The janitors deleted it.
Alternatively, look for her Twitter. It's right there.
Yeah these bother me to hell. I’m Asian, and changed my Japanese name to a more “American” name because I was relentlessly bullied for it. Not to mention, people would tell me my name was too difficult to say, so I’d be nicknamed “the jap”. There are way too many idols that have stolen our names just because they think they’re cute. Sakura Hana, Kuro-Hime (yes even if she is POC), Nana Pupurin, Aika/Aikaaiidol, all of these are people that are using our names just because they find them cute, or it goes into their “aesthetics”
An idol I find extremely commendable is IdolNobi, now IdolNani. She saw the posts about our asian names, and changed her idol name in response.
can't believe they deleted it
4chan is too soft these days
She just changed the name of her old account because she doesn’t want to lose followers, it’s @kawaiipiecosplay_
Also since that was posted, she changed her bio to “not making a comeback” so she’s still lurking on this site lmao
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There was an account called “exposing_kawaiipiecosplayer” on Instagram, but they seem to have deactivated now. They were just reposting everything about Caroline that had been posted here, and saying “anonymous anons” sent them. Looked like they were just going through lolcow and reposting though. All of it was just old news, and brought back up old drama for no reason. Not to mention they’ve suddenly deactivated?
Also, I wish I recorded the videos, but last night Lisa was going off on her instagram story about Caroline again. She’s deleted a good portion now for god who knows why. The gist of it though was screenshots of her and Caroline’s fight, screenshots of people telling her to die on Caroline’s behalf (deleted?), Caroline apparently @ Lisa on a story? And then the videos were just Lisa pretty much venting about it. I’m not sure why Lisa deleted all of the story videos of her speaking, and she also deleted the screenshots of people telling her to die, but kept the screenshots of her and Caroline’s fight. They’re still on her story as of now @xwingzlittlelifex
Lisa suddenly bringing up Caroline again, the expose account deactivating, and Lisa deleting a huge portion of her stories.. those don’t seem like coincidences to me.
What does everyone else think about this? I honestly am tired of old drama being brought up over and over again. I understand we want to make sure Caroline gets what she deserves, but not only is this affecting Caroline, but also everyone else she’s involved with. (Mostly soda at this point keeps getting dragged back in)
Since CGL seems to think anyone talking about it is being off topic (it's an idol thread, it was pretty fucking on topic….)
Is anyone keeping up with the ACO drama?
I'll link the warosu thread just because I'm too lazy to screenshot everything…..https://warosu.org/cgl/thread/10461102#p10462300
tl;dr version is that ACO is rejecting idols because of a personal vendetta with Grace… Real names got leaked, people are mad…. It was a bad business move.
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Since Sakurahana won’t post anything on her tellonym that doesn’t make her look like she’s being attacked, or that sides with her, I’m posting what I sent here. Sakura, you can try to silence our voices all you want, but Im not standing by it.
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Imagine calling people who weren’t involved disgusting when you literally shared a screenshot with somebody’s legal name in it. So it’s okay for her to doxx an American POC idol but not for two girls to question why they got instantly rejected for “personal reasons”. This entire situation is stupid.
Trying to say ‘well it’s because they’re associated with AL’, the American POC idol in question has NEVER performed at or been associated with any AL cons.
For a start, consider the fact that AL runs cons in the UK and she’s in the US…
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Imma just leave this here. Imaging trying to play victim
when you tell on yourself like this….
In the emails they said that the American and the UK idol were rejected for personal reasons…. The personal reason clearly is because they talk to Grace, whom they have the problem with
The American PoC idol dropped LIF because she got called the hard r and was being harassed for possible involvement in the showcase. A lot of idols dropped out actually because of the accusations they heard and harassment they got.
Unlike them, OIC collectively has proof of this convention is being shitty and trying to call for a witch hunt, but they can't prove Grace made that Turdfest account.
So…. Your move ACO.
Hello I was told to check here and I would like to state. my videos and everything I had posted aren't deleted. I have them under a private highlight which is where they have been for a while now. I posted those way before the expose account and Caroline even tried to rehash this crap. The others I posted was public and they weren't put into the public highlight because people were reporting them on Caroline's behalf. It's why they were deleted. Even though she believes I and someone else started that expose page I didn't. I have been busy living my life and the only reason I even spoke about her when I made that first highlight is because 1. People came asking for my side and 2. I had multiple death threats. So I addressed the issue I still I have that highlight but it's for close friends only so that Caroline's lackies can't report them. I moved on from her drama and when she put mine and another's name on her profile claiming we made that account I messaged her to remove it.and to not post me on her stories. That girls toxic
crazy and more I want no involvement with her and haven't wanted any for months I've moved on. Also to have seen my stories you must be a follower since that accounts been private for 2 months now, if any of Caroline's lackies follow me or anyone who wants to try dragging me back into this does please stop. Im over it and don't want to deal with her or anything with her again,let me live my life She and anyone else can think that account is or was mine, I for a fact know its not. This is all I'll be saying on this. Have a good day
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Posting the screenshot she posted in case people didn’t see it, you can see it says “kuro to me” which proves that the convention leaked these emails into to public. Regardless of any of the other drama, sharing private emails without permission, and even worse, sharing someone’s legal name which they haven’t publicized, is incredibly irresponsible…
Thank you for having the decency to cover her name, unlike the person who leaked them originally.
All I'm saying is that Kuro and Jenny had a right to warn people of the shadiness of that con, just like everyone should be warned if there was a bias playing into it. I feel like they both did it in a very calm way, they didn't harass anyone, and they didn't attack any of the staff.
ACO didn't have any right of accusing Grace of attacking them with that Turdfest account, and they damn sure didn't have a right to leak personal emails and names. They should have just told them they weren't what the con was looking for, rather than saying "personal reasons" without any intention of elaborating
ACO is in the wrong period.
I'd like to give a huge shout-out to cgl for deleting the evidence that this con is shit, and for silencing and banning people who post proof about ACO being completely unprofessional.
IDK what mod is cozy with them, but they forget the archives exist….
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4chan is full of shit. How the fuck was this trolling?
That is why the highlight is private and for close friends only. It is there for me to show people who specifically ask in the first place. I only reposted it because Caroline refused to remove my name and keep me and another uninvolved. Before coming to assumtions
please do ask me yourself,and not do so on this site. My DMs are open for a reason,I don't trust this site since Caroline and her lackies come here often and especially since Caroline pretends to be others. So if there's any further discussion you'd like to have please DM me on my page and we can speak as adults.
Please keep me out of any further drama involving that girl or her friends, I am no longer involved with her. I simply answer people who ask about her that is all. Thank you.
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Tinfoil moment: someone on the mod team works for ACO and is covering shit up or someone on ACO asked them to. No one was trolling at all.
Anyway ACO posted a response in their IG stories and it’s full of shit. It also doesn’t mention Grace at all.
The emails aren’t anywhere public, and the black girl’s name isn’t on her profile at all.
1/2 of their response
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Anyone can easily debunk this I mean…..
This would be a valid
argument if it weren’t for the fact legal names were asked. In the emails they used legal names. In the screenshots posted by Kuro hime, her name is blocked. They aren’t in the ACO email screens which is why it’s blocked in >>110330
. Jenny and Grace go by their real names but not Kuro hime.
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I didn’t see that part, so I will at least grant them that.
But as far as Kuro’s real name, I’ve yet to see it as I’m trying to find the truth in both sides. Jenny and Grace opted to use their real names I’m assuming?
One thing I will point out, is that in the statement, it says that they “all have years of experience” yet the “con head’s” own highlight on her Ig stories says her friends told her to because she was the best out of her friends to do so. That doesn’t really say that she has experience. That kind of tells me that no one knew wtf they were doing and picked her to be the leader.
Inb4 vendetta, I just want to get to the bottom of why a no name con like ACO is causing so much drama.
Pic for proof of the story highlight. I did the “con head” a favor and at least blurred her face.
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It was no “accident”. Here is the post of someone who knows them. They’re doing this to intentionally hurt Grace. Kuro and Jenny just got dragged in. S inserted herself so I have little sympathy for her
Kuro isn’t even in a group nor has she ever been associated with AL considering she’s in fucking America.
Pic for proof
I agree. Kuro was just warning people about her experience and some red flags she noticed. She was unfairly dragged into this out of a vendetta she never was a part of.
I mean Jesus, it's common knowledge that Jenny and Grace are the duo in the UK and Kuro is a soloist in America
All I’ve gotta say is;
Don’t host an idol event if you know jack shit about idols. Kurohime is one of the more popular ones, they did legitimately no research about it
If they're all part of the Overseas Idol group or whatever it is and had interactions with each other, follow each other, etc then they may have assumed they were associated.>>110384
Angelic Convention seems to be trying to be a whole convention with a side platform for idols tacked on like many conventions do. Doing a tiny stream like that doesn't mean they need to know everything about every idol in the major countries. It isn't specifically an idol event, or even Original Idol exclusive. There's different practices for everyday vs cosplay vs cosplay idols vs original idols and you can't expect every convention head to know everything about every subgroup at the con. Much less a convention head of an itty bitty virtual convention about such a niche group as Original Idols when not every idol has the same practices.
Why in God’s name would anyone help this con after this? And why are you making excuses? They’re wrong and need to admit it.
It’s clear that everyone or damn near everyone involved in this con doesn’t know a damn thing about idols or the community.
If they did, they’d know that Kuro is an American soloist who never had a thing to do with the drama of AnimeLeague. They’d know that Jenny and Grace are a duo from the UK. They’d know that Grace didn’t speak on them until they dragged her and her name into it, and they’d know that Grace completely broke ties with AL after some of her performers were harassed into dropping out.
There is literally no excuse for their behavior, and they should have been reaching out before this entire thing went down.
I'm not making excuses, everyone here except Kuro is in the wrong. I'm just trying to provide a differing opinion on the side of the con since everyone wants to pretend like the con is the big bad villain and the uwu idols didn't do anything wrong. The con needs to apologize, especially to Kuro, and the other two need to apologize to the con for trying to drag it through the mud. The con also needs to apologize to them for continuing on and escalating with them. This whole situation could have been avoided had the idols not scree'd to their fans about getting rejected for "bs" reasons. The con tried to be civil and say "personal issues" but the idols couldn't leave it that. They started talking and coming at the con and so the con finally gave in and said the reason. The idols didn't like that and so everything exploded. Both sides were shitty and they both need to own up to it. Poor Kuro was dragged into this mess by association and deserves an apology, but I truly believe that if the idols had just taken the rejection and not continued to pry to find out the "real reason" for the rejection then this drama wouldn't have started in the first place.
Kuro wasn't involved with AnimeLeague, but she is involved with Jenny and Grace through IG, Overseas Idol stuff, and the internet in general that is used to connect people and let them interact around the world. That's why she was considered associated with them I'm sure.
You are right, many people wouldn't want to help after this. That's why people should have stepped up to help beforehand if it was such a big deal. Many people didn't know about or care about this virtual con before the idol drama. It's almost like a catch-22.
The con never asked for community help is what I'm trying to tell you. They never came to anyone. It's the first time any of us had heard them.
Look, "personal reasons" is a bullshit excuse, especially if they had no plans to elaborate. Jenny had every right to ask who she had hurt too, since it seems she wanted to rectify the situation. In Kuro's email, she said it's a bad business move to let personal bias get in the way, and I have to agree, especially seeing this. This all happened because someone had a personal grudge against Grace, and dragged someone innocent into the fray.
If they weren't going to expand on those reasons, it shouldn't have been brought up to begin with.
Had they left their personal bias at the door and reached our before the even happened, I believe none of this would have happened.
I also believe that after this they're gonna need some good luck to get anybody good to participate.
I just hope Kuro gets a public apology out of this because damn dude…..
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“I didn’t doxx anyone, feel sorry for me!”
There’s proof of you sharing emails with somebody’s legal name (that isn’t public) on your public status. You obviously know what you did considering you hid that status and not the other one.
Half of the milk is in this girl, has she been tied to drama before?
This girl: “OP, you should abandon this turdfest account.”
Turdfest OP: (deletes account)
This girl: (shocked Pikachu face)
You’re shocked that people called you out on doxxing people so now you wanna play innocent?
Fuck, this con is making shit worse for themselves. >>110437
There’s a rumor that Jenny and Grace bullied some people after it came out that AnimeLeague has a sexual harasser for a con head? Idk the drama is years old, and although Grace and Jenny don’t bring it up unless peompted, ACO people refuse to. Like to the point of stalking Grace and sabotaging her stuff
I saw that too.
Sakura stopped right? Like tell me she's got enough respect to stop at this point…
So let me get this straight. Not only does this stupid fuck have zero ideas about idols, he’s also known to start his own drama by doxxing himself???
How pathetic lmao
Anyone who signs up for that idol festival clearly is desperate.
So I tried emailing them to get more info out of them yesterday and they haven’t responded.
I also know of another that has tried too (a LL cosdancer), and they too were met with silence.
I don’t really think they have any intention of clarifying anything, they just want to pass the buck and feign innocence. What a waste.
Well this post says “nobody is saying that they’re worried more about it than the bigger issue at hand” and if they were more worried about it than BLM then “they’re dumb as fuck”
so she was never against BLM she was just uneducated about the looting. People getting into arguments about heated issues is important. Those arguments lead to learning. She wasn’t against BLM just didn’t know how to support and uplift the movement correctly. Got caught up on the looting like the media wanted everyone to.
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alright what did Caroline do this time
Does this mean that jen of sodapop is ONCE AGAIN openly supporting a racist apologist? Because her post, and Sakura quitting, is too well timed to be a coincidence. she has to be talking about Sakura being “bullied” out.
Sakura herself is the one who followed a racist, fatphobic and overall toxic
girl. Then decided to try and say that she “just randomly followed her” and didn’t see any of the tiktoks that were offensive. (Which, how? 95% of that girls tiktoks are offensive). Also what kind of bullshit excuse is that, why the fuck would you follow some random person on tiktok and not look at their tiktoks?
Sakura is toxic
herself, it's her own damn fault she got kicked from the server.
Staff warned her. Everyone warned her.
Next time, she should take the advice of everyone and distance herself from racist ass idols.
Yeah defending a racist cosplayer and pissing off everyone was the final straw.
I'm shocked though, considering she was banned from the main OIC server anyway, and managed to slip into OIC lite.
But now she's venting on her vent IG (she should better check who she lets on there…..) about how idols are toxic
and she's gonna stick to Love Live communities, not realizing they're worse than the idol comm.
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She's still blaming OIC and other idols? She's the one who gets involved in literally any scrap of drama she can get her hands on and then cries about how everyone is harassing her. She refuses to delete her tellonym despite how bad it's fucking up her life, because she loves the attention her bullies send, and it gives her more ammunition to play the victim
. As a random lol, here's the Instagram story of the "not a racist, you had have to get to know her" girl THAT sakura was defending.
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LOL WAT she‘s been told to sue OIC for calling her out on her bullshit, good luck with that lmaooo
THAT’S who she got banned over?!
BITCH!!!!! She should have just took OIC’s advice and just dropped her but no….. well I hope that only friend was worth it. >>111392>>111395
OIC literally told her to delete her tellonym and to stay out of people business, why would anyone bully her there???
She’s got a lot of nerve, especially after traumatizing tf out of Kuro two weeks ago and defending a racist after being warned to stop. She likes the drama and negative attention, I don’t feel sorry for her one bit.
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samefagging because I’m a dumbass with a bad memory but yeah. Pic related.
I knew not unfollowing immediately would pay off one day, I just didn’t think it would be so soon.
“The idol community doesn’t condone racism, they’re so toxic
I don’t feel sorry for her at all. I’ve seen other idols with Tellonym and they just delete any trolls or BS they get, Sakura was told so many times that responding to it doesn’t help and just encourages it. She only has herself to blame for not listening.
Indefinite hiatus, not disbandment.
But I agree. Poppy needs to grow a spine and tell Kazu to fuck off. She makes Poppy look so bad
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dunno if they’ve ever been discussed here but maidoremi(? マイドレミ) is absolutely embarrassing for how old they are. arisu hogs the spotlight most of the time glancing at their social media, whores herself out on social media and eyefucks herself in the camera at every opportunity, makes terrible comedy videos on twitter, and is otherwise an insufferable cunt. the other two are just there to prop up her vanity project. one is suicidal and attempting to attract simps with cosplay, and the other is basically absent from their social media. arisu rags on 48g groups for not ‘being particularly talented’ meanwhile her group has none at all https://twitter.com/perisiedw/status/1304124787594207232?s=21
also quite funny how at pretty much every live they do they go first or second in the line up, yet arisu has the gall to say ‘they’ve improved’ kek. if you improved, promoters wouldn’t try to get rid of you as quickly as possible.
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Caroline is back in the idol business. Yeah not love live but still an idol community.
Kinda wish she'd go away and take her drama with her, but since I know that's not gonna happen, I just don't publicly acknowledge her.
I think people should starve her of the attention she wants and she'll just quietly cosplay at home
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Sakura Hana was once again shitting on other groups publicly. “I’m quitting the idol community” my ass, she’s literally still talking shit about them
She’s mad because no one wants to deal with her shit anymore…. this is why she’ll never be taken seriously.
Lmao she’s deleted it already
When will she realise she’s literally inserting herself into the drama
Too bad screenshots are forever kek
If she has any plans on returning to the idol scene, she might as well forget it at this rate. I mean it’s not like she was well liked before but now? Damn
ACO thought the same thing lol
Like, it takes five minutes to look up what something is. People are dumbasses.
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You got the shots?
Also Hi Sakura! You still suck but not for the reasons you think. It's your own fault you were kicked from OIC. Didn't have shit to do with anyone else, they warned you before it happened. Next time listen to people, and stop hanging around racist ass idols if you don't want to be associated with or seen as a racist yourself.
Do better kid, yours in college now. Grow up and act like it.
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Trololololololol hi Sakura
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Uh….isn't SakuraHana that wannabe fugly girl that made a thread about herself around a year ago here? And she was selfposting and calling us bullies and whatnot? She was extremely delusional about thinking she was going to become a mega idol in Japan, and now she's back on lolcow again
Yeah and she basically hasn’t changed at all since then. The most recent tea is that she got kicked out of OIC for defending racist behaviour and quit the idol community because ‘everyone is a big toxic
meanie’ >:( lol
Lol if by "toxic
" you mean how whenever anybody tries to politely tell her her dancing needs work and she needs to work on her appearance, she freaks out and cries about bring bullies, then yeah. She's been delusional from the start.
Her dancing is the least of her problems….
Her problem is her refusal to take criticism. She won't ever improve as long as she keeps ass kissing orbiters around her…. Not to mention the fact that she won't take advice, solicited or no.
She needs to take responsibility for her shit and go from there.
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Yup, the entire account is gone lmao
Actually, I’ve just figured out the problem. Turns out Instagram has started tagging accounts as for 18+, and if they’re tagged in anything, you can’t go to their profile. You have to manually type their username into search, and when you go to their profile it asks you if you’re over 18 or not. After I confirmed I’m over 18, I now can click on tagged posts with her and her account actually exist lmao. I’m not sure if this is a one time thing Instagram is gonna make us do, or if any accounts that get tagged 18+ this will happen to.
Either way, Instagram is fucking up the algorithm once again and making it hard for cosplayers
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Anyone else noticed how Caroline changed her name and still uses LL avatars even though she said she was done with LL.
Also anyone know what this drama with princess.of.destiny.cos is about? Heard something about her having stalked a underaged idol.
Look, if we stop discussing Caroline, she’ll starve from lack of attention.
Let her and her messy ass drama die.
Kinda sus that every person who knows Caroline's true nature is suddenly an awful person. So the second they try to say anything against Caroline all of a sudden they're so much worse.
Sounds like Caroline's WK'ing herself again.
I mean why does anyone believe anything that’s said on here? It’s all anonymous. Anyone could say anything. Personally, I have zero reputation in the idol community— good or bad. The only people that know who I am in this community are the members of a group I just joined, and those directly entangled in this drama. I haven’t announced anything about being in the group. I haven’t debuted. Nothing. My name is not in the public’s eye. At least until my identity is outted by someone that’s a part of this drama. I had Casper delete all traces of me from their accounts when we had our falling out. Then all this shit started happening. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Casper is some evil/malicious person. They definitely don’t always treat people who care about them well, however. There’s definitely screenshots of things that have been said about me behind my back in existence. Having said that, I don’t want to be the one to provide them. If they pop up, so be it. But I don’t want to be the one to post them. Granted, it wasn’t anything so terrible that I think Casper needs “cancelled” or witch hunted. It definitely hurt but I don’t wish ill will on them. Idk. I’m just playing devils advocate. In the idol community, let’s face it. Everyone shit talks each other at some point, at least from what I’ve seen. Idols are super gossipy. Even people outside of the community are guilty of gossiping. You can’t deny that. Anyone reading this is probably guilty of shit talking behind someone’s back. It’s not right to witch hunt someone for doing something literally everyone has done at some point. A callout was made, things were brought to the light, and now Casper has removed themselves from social media. It’s over. Honestly at this point idk if I even want to be involved with this community. This is the second time I’ve found myself getting close to someone less than ideal within the community. It just seems like no one is safe because everyone is so quick to tear each other down. I don’t want to constantly walk on eggshells. I feel like if I left the idol community and remained a regular cosplayer I’d be perfectly safe from witch hunts and stuff. Plus everyone I’ve met so far has had some level of toxicity. I wanted to do this for fun. But it seems like everyone takes this shit so seriously. Guys, you’re not professionals. You’re not some big shot that everyone knows. You’re mostly ragtag cosplayers trying to make dance covers. It’s not even original content. Everyone and their dog does the same exact stuff. Who cares about you? There’s nothing special about any of us. Idk. Just my two cents. I’m going to be following the drama for damage control and to make sure my name doesn’t end up out here and dragged through the mud over nothing. No one deserves to get hurt or have their reputation ruined over stupid/petty crap. I stg this community is toddlers and tiaras but with weeaboos.
Shut up. If you didn’t care about the drama you wouldn’t be here.
You say the comm is toddlers and tiaras but for weebs yet here you are.
You obviously feed off this shit, and I can tell you’re just itching for someone to bring your name up.
I’m no one you know, but I’ve been around here for a while; you’re behaving just like Caroline, Sakura, Alana, and every other attention starved weeb who ends up here. If you don’t care, and if you know no one takes the shit here to heart, then hush and let it die.
Just like you, I’m sure the others involved are too chicken shit to provide receipts anyway.
You talk about the overseas idol community like they’re all cosplay dancers. No disrespect to cosplay dancers, but they aren’t idols. You can’t call yourself an idol if all you do is cosplay and dance - that makes you a cosplayer and odorite, which is great and definitely takes work, but it’s not the same as idol.
And plenty of overseas idols release original content… Calina, Kuro Hime, Shooting Stars, Koneko, just to name a few who have released original songs within the last month.
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I am also a victim
of Casper’s antics unfortunately. We dated early this year and I fell in love with them, i made a joke that i thought was funny but i guess they didn’t think it was and completely destroyed our relationship over it and didn’t want to talk about it at all. They also claimed i was stalking them, but in reality i kept
Finding stuff of theirs at my house and was
Returning it. I don’t hate them and i hope they get help but playing the victim
isn’t going to help anyone and if anything it makes Casper look pathetic. Pic attached i of the night i made the joke and they played the victim
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This is the screenshot proving they were with a minor. At the time of the date they were over 18 and the legal age in OK (their home state and where they are legally from) is 18. Also sus that they are SLEEPING OVER at minors houses and with minors (In their tiktoks before the victimization of themselves). And they also admitted the person was 17 in the messages. I cropped the contact picture that had my face included but idrc if people figure out who I am. And to argue that 17 is close enough to 18, consider that if the person in question wanted to take legal action they could and Casper would get into legal trouble. The victims named is colored out for their safety since they are still a minor.
This has Caroline vibes all over it seriously a long tangent about not caring or wanting to be in drama yet is posting here. I wouldn't put it past Caroline if this is yet again her trying to stir drama that doesn't actually exist yet again. Same as she did with anyone else who's left her for her toxic
behavior. Even her recent boyfriend saw her for who she truly was and got out before it was to late and I m sure she tells people he fucked up and not her. Just like she's said with ALL her ex's before.
Hello, Gabby from NeoCherry! Cool to know you’re stalking the thread. I don’t like you but honestly you’re right on this one. Casper is an absolute trash person. I try to just lurk most of the time but this is something that triggers
me every time I see it. Casper was the source of many a bad day for me. I’m shaking right now and honestly trying not to cry, it was THAT bad. The first time I saw them on my FYP it was with Caroline and I honestly felt sick to my stomach.
Anyways, I’m one of Casper/Doe’s ex best friends. They deserve their own thread. They have a history of doing this to people— someone makes them uncomfortable for one second and they drop them with no warning or chance to explain themselves. They victimize themself CONSTANTLY. The first time they ever got rid of me, they posted on their story acting the victim
instead of talking to me directly. When they were friends with Caroline (or is she still? Idk, she blocked me!) it came out that Caroline had been harassing me anonymously. Take that as you will. I asked them why the hell she would be friends with someone who clearly had it out for me and they blocked me, playing the victim
and claiming I was trying to control them. Then, she sent one of her IRL friends to my inbox. That friend sided with ME and tried to calm Casper down, but it was no use.
The first time she ever dropped me, it was because of some dumb ass reason I can’t even remember. It was THAT trivial. Then she came back to me, claiming to have “changed” thanks to medications and I, being someone who had experienced this myself, honest to god believed them. She also complimented my cosplay, which I later found out they made fun of behind my back.
I was also friends with some of their other friends and they were dropped after laughing at some cheesy stuff, at which Casper (known as Doe at the time) thought they were laughing at THEM so they stormed out of the house.
They CONSTANTLY make fun of anyone, even their friends. They talked shit about Caroline, THEIR FRIEND, to me nonstop. I don’t blame them because Caroline is a shitstorm in of herself, but really? Your friend? Then she shit talked my other friend to me all the time. I had to shut them down constantly. There were so many warning signs, and I have SO many stories. I’m glad they’re finally getting what they deserve. I don’t care if my identity is completely exposed by this, they fucking deserve every bad thing that comes their way. They are manipulative, deceitful, untrustworthy, and overall absolutely horrid.
Oh, and Willow? Her lackey? She’s been brainwashed, but you didn’t hear it from me.
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hi yes it’s me! i do want to apologize but i think we all know when you are with casper they manipulate your ideas of people! i am still collecting evidence and have so much already so if any victims want to reach out my insta is @spookywillow.cos.
and if anyone i hurt wants to reach out and wants an apology i will gladly give one to you! i think it’s important that we put our differences aside and warn people of casper since they are becoming dangerous to the LL community and the cosplay community. they also haven’t left since they will still be posting on their tiktok and their twitter and tumblr seem to be active still. just be aware and take the necessary precautions! i attached a ss of their most recent username which they use on all three platforms currently. i have plenty of stories including this super heartbreaking one that a victim reached out to me for. i’m waiting to get most stories so everything comes out at the same time!
thank you and don’t hesitate to message me!
This cos-thot may get the thread locked because people still don’t realize that cosplayers who dance don’t need to be around weebs disguised as “idols”…. their drama always fucks the energy of whatever community they bombard.
No wonder no one likes them.
Caroline needs to grow the fuck up and just cosplay silently.
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Making everything about herself as usual.
If she didn't want anything to do with them, why she constantly got their name in her mouth?
I hope Grace says something. I really do.
Ok, I just wanna say that I’m not usually a very critical person… I can deal with a little off key singing or some imperfect mixing…
But what the fuck even is this.https://youtu.be/uxG47REMzrs
Hi newfag(s) please read lolcow rules and learn to sage, it gets annoying fast
It’s extremely clear y’all are new.
Sage your shit and learn how to respond to posts
why call self post on everything, why not just take it cause it’s a fair point?
Where else do you get material from? My local craft shop has the shittiest material. So I don’t blame her using Taobao. Taobao got all the good stuff!
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I know that it’s an affectionate name for a dog (with wan meaning woof) but I still feel like Puchiko’s new song has an unfortunate name
For those who aren’t familiar with British slang, wank means masturbate lmao
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Cosplayer warning Tara Leeno Yancey aka princess.of.destiny.cosplayz is trying to enter the love live community and she is a pedophile, friends with rapists, homophobic (used they them to hide her homophobic self), racist (called someone of mixed color a white girl and says Google says it's not racist), doxxed a minor and is trying to dox another. Plays victim and pretends fake accounts aren't her (so basically another Caroline in the making) stir clear anyone who doesn't take her side when shown proof will be harrased and told to kill themselves.
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Lmao love live cosplayers and cosidols are a damn disease omg
Why does love live attract such garbage humans?
I know what you mean and this person is like a Caroline 2.0 but probably worse. They surround themselves with minors, preaches about toxic
folks and how drama shouldn't be on a page but posts and talks alot of drama. And their 24, wanting to join the idol community I fell bad for any group they join. It'll be another sodapop/neosenshi all over again from how much Tara pretends to be other people online.
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Princess talking to the rapist my bad
The only reason I won't give her flack for joining so late is because there's a few over 27 and they're actually good considering what we've got to pick from.
But the rest of that shit? Hard pass.
Pardon me but first off I personally know Mikuni im one of their friends who goes by Z now I dont mean to butt in or anything but you all on this anon site seem to be mistaken
First off stop deadnaming them and misgendering them Mikuni has been going by them/they for three years because of them being very disphoric about their deadname over all (plus many people can't even pronounce it right in the first place) second off so im hearing some pedophile accusations is there proof on this as well as them posting this alleged se/f-h*r note? I do also want to state mikuno has debunked that video over all its on there instagram still as well as them calling out said toxic
people. I do also wanna say Lee shows no interest in being in love live or an idol (they have their own youtbe for singing nothing more)but they did come across a toxic
idol that they called out by the name of beanswrld2k or Cassidy as Lee called her on the last live stream. From my understanding is both Cassidy and her boyfriend Doug (both NYC locals) are doxxing and stalking minors even going as far as to threaten them i do also remember Mikuni telling me something about Cassidy being kicked out of an idol group and wanting now to rip up their costumes.
Oh yes I personally saw all the bullshit lies from everyone and lets just say people really like to pretend to be Mikuni given how many accounts that pretend to be them and ive tracked back. You do realize that its toxic
to even involve yourself in a drama situation that legit dosent conseren other expect party 1 and party 2? From the many years ive known mikuni THEY OWNED UP TO THAT SHIT ALREADY let it die ffs you guys sound like people on tellonym 2.0 like come on leave them alone. You guys really like to reach for any drop of milk at this point where you would drag an innocent cosplayer who legit has stated many times before they have no interest in being an idol and that you guys are some of the most toxic
people they have ever met. Like I remember another idol you guys wouldn't even leave alone and im told she would go crying to mikuni about this whole ducked up page someone named sakurahan. Maybe grow the fuck up and leave people alone this whole situation is because one toxic
cosplayer won't shut her or mybad his trap.
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Careful, z was one who also bullied tara. Tara misgenders and proceeds to speak on drama. Even was publicly openly homophibic. Tara/mikuni is crazy.
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More proof, hmm mikuni how you going to lie your way outta this?
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Has openly bullied a cafe they were kicked out of
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Used puke emojis on a black cosplayer
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The rapist she befriended knowing damn well the person who trusted her fake self opened up and cried to her about. She is also a child predator which makes sense on why she would befriend a rapist. This was sent from tiktok by someone named moon
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There is a 100% possibility she'll claim these are fake yet everyone has screenshoted these. There us a cafe warning thread and toxic cosplayer thread on redit about princess of destiny
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She changed her name all the time. After she calls someone out (although she claims to hate cancel culture) she throws personal information about others out like a piece of shit person. She calls people out with absolutely no proof and then changes her name to avoid hate, which shows she lies. Then proceeds to harass a black person with still no proof. I was told thru the redit feed that mikuni lost court due to lies. Yet is a acab and blm. Threatened a black person with the law
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Also put a stereotype on a black person and publicly claimed they were a druggie. Which is not ok. I heard legal action is being taken thru the bpoc voting and the akemi person rn.
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Their response cuz the are salty about people moving on from them
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Yet hates cancel culture and can't take shit when people call theur ugly asses out for their stupid ads self. She needs fucking hell and I hope she never enters this community wtf
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Supposeldy z, the person defending them when z and tara have made threats to hurt others on tellonym. Like what
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Proof that when she wants drama, she'll feed into it. She and several others gatekeeping namine and lying trying to say this person stole art from the creator who created rwby.
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Here Tara is posting on a fake account that is supposedly an ex BF who has also followed others and claimed to not know Tara but uses Tara's names in the story. This is an account run by Tara herself. Very Caroline of you, let's not allow her with the idols
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Proof they say not to know Tara.
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Tara posting someone's private suicide note for public to see. Also this note was old the person survived so they are bringing up old PERSONAL things and claim it's to warn people. Warn then of what? Someone who writes a suicide note is not suicide baiting like you Tara who threatened to kill themselves if your partners broke up with you.
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We're apparently toxic idols for warning people of someone so awful..This has Caroline 2.0 all over it. New year comes a new Caroline copy
Hiiii Z again, actually yes by constantly talking about a non-idol who hasn't done shit, APOLOGIZED for the shit they have done, you all defending minors who doxxed her (give me a sec to actually find that proof because at least two or three people [might have to be later because im no where near my computer that has these screenshots] 1 of which i know for a fact is a minor and two are of legal age) uhm, thats not proof on a "suicide note" all it says is repost and even then if you look at the top on that its from some other account called Kyle._.kickedthebabybro or something like that. yikes i see Kahoru lost it (he's actually a friend of mine two i met him when he was dating Mikuni and he legit is being an asshole to people deadnaming them xD) kinda amusing if you ask me. Kahoru is a legit person mikuni use to always brag about him in high school when they dated, i personally dont know why those two broke up but they did then mikuni stayed single for a year.
okay look telloym is bullshit and isn't "proof" either its about as bullshitty as this website overall. (also thats not an open threat at all you guys really over here reaching no wonder Mikuni called you guys toxic
) you guys are doing the same shit you did to sakurahana (who i talked about before). Im sorry Mikuni dosent give the time of day to toxic
idos like Cassidy Meguine, Lisa (which im guessing where these comments about CAROLINE are coming from) or Mistyheartcosplays. Pardon me as i laugh but im sorry what xD Mikuni has been my best friend since forever and has never once bullied me.
Cafe shit is three years old and apologized for and dropped already so its old ass news :) oh look an out of context message when i was also shown this group chat and was shown some other cosplayer talking about how a poc
should have a muzzle and a white ass cosplayer who hated that same cosplayer but thats not my cup of tea pretty sus imo. awe cute yall found my other friends tiktok who is also Mikuni's friend too <3 how nice. oh Mikuni talked about that message in specific, this last time they cut off Melanie because of how toxic
her and her fans had become Mikuni was just being nice and blunt thus the request of Melanie and thats it Mikuni isn't going to put up with bullying stalking etc.
Oh yes i remember Bobby he had this creepy ass crush on Mikuni during high school if im remembering correctly during the time they were dating Kahoru too Ah good times on telling that creeper off he also stated harassing others at that same time about the abusive
ex. I can give a run down of that 4 year toxic
relationship because again as her best friend we always kept each other informed on one another's lives when we can but the man thing about that relationship of 4 years was emotionally abusive
. Mikuni infact would come crying to me sometimes saying how they would try to talk to him and get him. they would BEG for even a little bit of communication. even when they needed him the most he would send her to voicemail then call me (while at work but i never minded she's like a sister to me). so by the last year anytime Mikuni would be at a con they would send him pictures and he would get massive butt hurt (he got butt hurt over at least three or four pictures i was shown, one of them with some band members at sabaku 2019, one from connichiwa where it was a "stage" kiss with them and a toxic
sora cosplayer and then the last one being a simple kiss on the cheek picture of them with the same sora cosplayer) the reason they broke up this last time was because i personally remember them showing me how he kept guilt tripping them and then kept shoving religion down their throat plus arguing about who they were as a person, no where was that breakup even talked about online. He had depression even before they started dating according to Mikuni…infact i remember her calling me that weekend telling me about what happened…something about their roomates telling them to go check on him and when they got to his room caught him right in the act, took off running and didn't even want to look at him because THAT'S MANIPULATION overall. For two years things were okay it wasn't too bad (there first breakup makeup was really bad because his dumbass drove home drunk and there dumbass got rapped that night again not my business) second was because his mom didn't like Mikuni third was because of distance and then like i said the forth was the manipulation and using self harm to his advantage after a big argument.
You seemed to be out of hiding CASSIDY MERGUINE aka BEANSWRLD2K honestly grow the fuck up your a 20 year old harassing and stalking a 24 year old who dont give two shits about you. you've threatened underage idols and some have come to mikuni thanking them because no one wants to deal with your toxic
attitude no wonder your friends with Melanie again you both have some fucking loose screws in the head. please go get help no one wants to fear going to a con and being stalked and harassed thankssss :)(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Have you lost your mind??? Don’t do that. Wish that for their costumes, not them.
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Looked into this princess whatever, cosplayers are a different breed. Why would you say step on me to a 13 yr old and why are so many minors following that girl's account. I hope she stays from idol community a danger to minors for sure.
No one gives a shit about this cosplayer or Caroline in this thread.
This is for western weebs who think they can be musicians and for cosplay weebs who think love live is a personality trait/ is how idol shit really operates.
Seriously. Stop bringing this cancerous ass stain up and focus on net idols.
This year the only milky thing idol wise was ACO and that barely gave us something.
It’s so sad to me that this random ass cosplayer fucked up the entire thread like this
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It’s my personal theory that something serious happened between the twins and Shun. Even though they’re saying this was a long time coming, I seriously think Shun was pushing for something the twins just didn’t like when it came to SYA.
Whatever it was, it was also enough for them to quit Seishun Gakuen in addition to disbanding SYA.
I mean after Unending Melody’s mixed reception (tbh it didn’t even feel like something SYA came up with), it was clear to me that something was off.
I’m rambling I’m sorry.
Nah don’t apologise. It’s an interesting and plausible theory.
Something definitely happened between the twins and the other three girls imo. I just wonder if they parted on good terms or if it was a shitshow.
If we're being honest?
Stella didn't seem like she liked being in SYA much. She always struck me as the "sleepy/ uninterested" member. Jessica and Emily seemed to wane in their interest as time with on.
Seeing their work with SYA then seeing their work with NS, there's a stark contrast in their mannerism and performance "style" almost as if being under a Japanese label stressed them all to a breaking point.
God I'd pay to know what happened for real. For three to keep going and two to just go into hiding, it had to have been bad.
Non Sweet is still working with Shun in Japan. He wrote their song Merry Xmas Kiss.
I also don't agree that Stella, Jessica and Emilys were not interested in SYA, since I watched their final live at idolcon and they were the only 3 members present. The twins didn't even participate in SYAs final months, maybe they didn't care for SYA anymore?
I think something happened between the girls. I do feel like the members on Non Sweet seem a lot more natural and relaxed
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Bro that prince.of.destiny chick is nuts like who even says this kinda crap. How are preferred names nicknames bro what's wrong with this girl. Can we keep her out of the idol scene like we did Caroline?
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If y'all dumbasses would stop bringing them up and obsessing over them, we could…..
Just stop posting her and no one will follow or know about her. It's that simple. It's only you ignorant ass cosplayers who's keeping this up. Idols and idol enthusiasts don't give a shit about her.
I have a lot of thoughts.
My theory is that the twins weren't keen on stepping out of anything that wasn't weeaboo Otaku out of date shit. The other three girls seemed more normal. if you think about it, the twins are very private. I've followed them since the late 2010s and I still feel like I don't really know them. They seem particular about how they're presented and that inflexibility can be difficult for management and other members. Non-sweet hopefully will have a better future. I love that they're not doing a school girl concept.
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looking at koibitos page honestly a lot of the cosplays are bad but this yoshiko is honestly laughable like they really saw her like that and her BANGS like that and let her take pictures with them like damn also her makeup and just expression just looks so bad… the other pictures of her are even worse. Kind of just looks like a man in a wig honestly and seeing as how she has she/her in her bio most likely is a man in a wig. the other idols aren’t nearly as bad but they are still pretty horrible like the riko you can see her hair showing through the wig in most of the pictures there’s probably like 2 good looking idols in this whole group and probably can’t even save themselves no matter how good their dancing is
Kazu will be nice to you when it's a social setting but be very rude when it comes to situations where decisions need to be made. She thinks she's always right and will try to take control even if it's not her role to do so.
She was also very rude in the oic discord back when she basically was in a fight with Julily about what being an "idol" is.
Julily is the only person in this community who’s more toxic
than Kazu. That shit was a dumpster fire
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This is a lie. She has never apologized to me or any of my friends she has harmed. She has NEVER taken accountability for her actions. She wants people to talk to her privately so that she can further attempt to keep her reputation in tact. Anyone who is not her victim would believe what she wrote, while she further gaslights and re-traumatizes people in her DMs. She will never change and she demonstrates it with her response.
Sure as hell hasn't apologized to me either. If she wants to really make amends, she will go apologize to the people. A victim
of your shitty behavior is not the one to approach you for an apology. Sorry that's not how that works. Also noticed how she's trying to drop the Kazu name now.
Okay so where's the proof of people saying they had bad experience working with Julily?
Personally, she's been nothing but professional and hard working when I worked with her on several occasions.
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She says she apologizes for being mean or whatever, but her cover photo basically is saying she doesn't give a fuck?
"If you'd like to talk, you're welcome to DM us here!"
No, bitch, how about YOU reach out and put effort into this mess you keep making worse and worse. Lazy.
Not OP but I do remember her throwing a shit fit at AWA demanding to be last. She wasn’t in the end kek
Can’t help but notice how all of her old group members are problematic
to her… might just be that she’s the problem
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You can stop that slander right there.
Julily had her hang ups, and yeah she was painfully irritating at times, but she is nowhere near Kazu and Washu levels…. Julily actually gave a slight fuck or else she wouldn't have made OIC, even if she has the worst way of showing it.
Ffs if you're gonna wk someone, please choose someone of substance and talent, not two spawns of hellfire and bullshit.
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Looks like Kazu left their previous group. I wonder if the group members finally kicked her out or if she decided running with her tail between her legs was the best way to go. Good riddance, anyways.
Youre right, Julily just constantly excuses a known abuser, talks negative of nearly everyone when you get her alone, and goes off the rails constantly on social media. Shes talks so much about wanting to be a positive role model but is constantly talking negativity about other people on her lives and videos. Its one thing to 'call ppl out' when its warranted, its another to be petty and bitter.
The fact that young people look up to her is concerning. She is very professional and hard working, but she can still be morally wrong and be those things
What known abuser? Do you have proof of this?
She does go off on people who might not deserve it sometimes, but it seems to be only in the last year or so that she's been really petty and bitter.
Probably because her dream for oic was smashed by a bunch of crybaby cosplayers larping as idols.
She goes overboard and is often misguided in her rants, but I don't blame her.
And no this isn't to defend her…. She's dead wrong sometimes……
I keep seeing that accusation pop up every so often but like the only people I've heard complain about this "abuser" is like the same 3 or 4 people from the same friend group. I wouldn't call that a "known" fact. They hide behind anonymity to pretend more people know about it than in reality. And these same people keep bringing up how Julily is a horrible person for associating with this "abuser" yet they still haven't provided any proof despite claiming to have it and wanting to reveal it. It's been two years and still nothing. From what I gathered they deleted the only proof they really had when they deleted their discord.
I won't name names but I think this friend group just has a personal beef against Julily and/or said "abuser". Unless you have real receipts stop bringing that shit up.
The argument that it’s the same couple of people who don’t like her doesn’t hold any weight without proof either. It sounds like Julily and her white knights are ignoring her own bad behavior to shift blame on others.
I’m not from her area, but online she’s a total cunt. She seems like a spoiled bully who hides behind an untreated mental illness to avoid any accountability.
With that said, if she’s being abused by someone who is a “known abuser”, I very much hope she comes to terms with that and gets out. Idc how bad of a person you are, no one deserves that. And its up to victims
to come forward when and if they’re ready, not up to an anon message board to fish them out .
Not white knighting, just being objective. Two years ago there was a small group of people (mostly girls judging by the catty behavior) trying to spread some really nasty rumors about Julily and this "known abuser" under the guise of warning people about him. There were supposedly witnesses to his past behavior but when pressed for evidence about the guy they said "it's coming soon" and then nothing happened. They also mentioned that the best evidence they had was in a discord server that had been deleted which sounds like a very convenient excuse to anonymously drop a serious accusation and then not take accountability for the consequences.
Like Julily is by no means a perfect person and has definitely said plenty of misguided or hurtful things but that doesn't excuse randos from coming out of nowhere to throw these accusations around, pretending to "warn" people about somebody nobody knows while also suggesting "btw Julily and that guy…there's something going on there :P" and then dipping when people get curious. That's really disgusting behavior and really only serves to slander her. So when people continue to pop out of the woodwork every so often saying "Julily defends an abuser" but it's not something anyone else is talking about or knows about, I think it's pretty clear it's coming from the same small group of people. And it's not shifting blame. In the first place people shouldn't be using a baseless accusation to hate on someone no matter what you think of the person.>>165662
I think "harassing" is overstating things. She uses strong language unnecessarily but I wouldn't say she harasses people.
Julily can be a bad person herself while also being involved with people others perceive as bad, or is being treated badly by herself.
Whether or not she’s being abused, she is a shit person and shows it time and time again. Whether or not people are spreading rumors about someone she’s involved with doesn’t change that she’s still a bully herself. Lots of people see her bad behavior and you’re kidding yourself if your junk just a few people noticed.
If she is being abused, we can hope that she gets out while still being aware that she is a miserable person who thinks she’s better than everyone else. In fact, that might only aid to her not wanting to get help or admitting a problem if there is one.
I have been abused by a male friend before, and I would never go public with the proof because I am afraid of him or of being called a liar. My close circle knows about it, and I wouldn’t want it to go past that. I would say if you’re not met with proof that someone is an abuser, to at least be cautious of them. But we shouldn’t be using Julily or anyone being possibly abused as a joke when we’re discussing actual problems with a very problematic
Who's joking? I'm being serious here. Abuse is serious and people shouldn't throw around accusations like "she excuses an abuser" and treat it like a known fact when there's no evidence of that. There are legitimate things you could point to and say "I think she's a bad person" because I'm not arguing that she doesn't get mean sometimes which can be interpreted that way. But letting people make a baseless yet serious accusation without question gives the impression that y'all accept it as fact when it's anything but. That's not warning anyone about a supposed abuser, nobody described him. They're just painting her as an even worse person than you already think she is- they're playing on your confirmation bias. If you're gonna be critical of someone, at least base it in fact, not rumor.
I knew her personally, she doesn't think she's better than everyone and she's not a bad person and she doesn't use her mental illnesses to avoid accountability. I'm very certain she has some undiagnosed issues but the diagnoses that she does have are pretty serious and explain her extreme reactions to things. It's no excuse but despite that she does try to be better and does admit mistakes which is a lot more than can be said of other problematic
or legitimately shit people.
Also, you missed my point that this group of (probably) girls were gung-ho about exposing this "known abuser" while also trying to make sure everyone associated Julily with him. It didn't sound like a situation where they were afraid of him or afraid of being called liars, and warning people about him didn't seem to be their only priority. It looked more like they were desperately trying to drag her reputation in the mud. So excuse me if I'm skeptical of the proof they never produced. It's not that I make light of abuse, it's that the rumors (which apparently are still floating around) seem rooted in a personal vendetta more than actually trying to stop abuse.
I literally said I'm not excusing her behavior. I'm not here to defend her behavior, I commented to address the claim that keeps popping up that she excuses an abuser or has some kind of relationship with one and people using that as an additional reason to hate on her. That's shitty. Don't do that. To anyone. Don't criticize someone based on hearsay and rumors. Beyond that, to those saying she's a terrible person, all I'm saying is she's not but I totally understand why people would think that. How does that make her look worse? I'm being realistic.
As others have said in the past, there's only so much you can do for someone. At a certain point they have to be willing to seek help themselves. I have tried. People irl and online have tried to get her help but as a wise man once said, "I can only show you the door, you're the one that has to walk through it." She may not seek the help we think she needs (not because she thinks she's better than anyone btw) but she has worked to improve herself using other methods and is willing to acknowledge her past mistakes and has previously done so which definitively makes her not a bad person. She IS trying and has made progress. Given that, if you actually sat down and talked to her, you probably wouldn't think she was a bad person either, just misguided at times. But you probably don't care to talk to her (and I don't expect anyone to) so maybe don't keep making negative assumptions when someone's telling you she's legit trying to be better. Self-improvement is a long, laborious process.>>156768
imo everyone involved brought different problems to the table that ultimately doomed the groups, not just her and not just her members. Again, let's not make negative assumptions just because you may not like her specifically.
Is this the same person from her “twin flame” story? I remember when all of that was going on she was very back and forth on the person in that being basically toxic
with their interactions with each other. It was very confusing and uncomfortable
Did she say anything wrong though? She clearly still cares about the community and wants it to be better and you can't fault anyone for that.
Also, you guys complain about the same stuff she talks about but don't do anything about it, and then complain when she talks about it. It's like you want the community to keep sucking just so you can keep complaining about it in the shadows lol
The point is, it may be therapeutic to talk about, and yeah she may have made valid
points, but if you’re done with something… be DONE with it. We don’t need to hear the same points rehashed for the 12th time.
she should just make a new collective like she want and start over.
Go to the part about not letting abusers in the community. She starts complaining about Kazu and does link Alex allowing abusers in the community to her. It seemed like Julily took part as a personal attack, as well as the gatekeeping topic.
Did Alex give her permission to use her video as a topic? There was a lot of backlash last time Julily took videos of people in the community to critique without asking.
Sounds like you're reading into things that aren't there. She doesn't specifically say Alex is the one letting abusers into the community or lay blame on Alex. She's saying it's the general mindset of trying to include everyone and appease everyone and not challenge abusers that allows them to come in and steamroll whatever goals the community tries to set. It's not a personal attack. It's an observation of what has already happened and what she thinks is the best way to address it, which is to do some gatekeeping. Because you all talk about it too, cosplayers and toxic
personalities sabotaged OIC. If original idols want a safe space to network and collaborate, it requires some gatekeeping to keep their niche of the idol community safe from that kind of sabotage.
Also, nobody needs to give permission for you to do a video response. She got backlash last time for making really harsh almost ridiculing remarks about people. Saying they didn't ask for it is kind of a cop-out excuse to hate on Julily. It doesn't matter if they asked for it or not. The problem was she was kind of rude about it which is not constructive. But this time wasn't criticism, this was a collected response/reaction. It's fair game and Alex invited the conversation anyway. It doesn't come off like an attack unless you're looking for it. It came off more like a thoughtful response using the history of the community to support her points.
I swear, some of you love to find any reason to hate Julily
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One of, if not the only photo of, Ryo/Makina. Extremely doubt the members of the server “made this up” because of beef with Julily, considering only 1 member had known of her at the beginning of his gross behavior. Believe it or not, I’ve seen the screenshots first hand. Stay safe out there. Hopefully everything that was saved will become public soon.
Damn. Looks like Kuro actually made a video about angelic convention online….https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSjzrnVnxPP/?utm_medium=copy_link
Thoughts? She seems hyper or something so it’s a little confusing, but with the screenshots she gave, I don’t think ACO will wiggle out of this one unless they pretend to ignore it.
Based on the jump cuts, that’s where I got the hyper bit.
She seems very frustrated though, you’re right. Think ACO will say anything?
Lies to girls saying that he's 'ryo from supercell' and a professional producer and sound designer for these top shows on tv. Meanwhile he hasn't made anything new in years and if you try to work with him it's an absolute nightmare of back and forths of suddenly "he's depressed and isn't motivated to make music anymore." Or a hundred other excuses. Says he wants to help you but oh…only if you get on calls with him and do things HIS way. He constantly talks big about himself and has a massive ego and makes wild claims to make himself seem big when in reality he's a no good, pathetic nobody. He has flirted with and messed with a NUMBER of girls in this community all while being in a relationship with someone for over 11 years and has cheated on her CONTINUOUSLY and mentally manipulated and abused her. (Update, she finally left him recently. Good on her.) Blames all his victims
for speaking out about his manipulative behavior and lies as people who came onto him first and "everyone betrays him" and he can't "trust" anyone when in reality he's trying to cover up his OWN BULLSHIT and make himself look better. He ALSO said he would make me a song if I had sex with him. Cause then THAT would motivate him. Even though I was in a relationship and HE KNEW IT. I have no idea how many girls he has fucked with and lied about. I don't know him and julily's full story but I know he mentally fucked with her too.
I thought I had an honest friend who was misunderstood. I spent so much time with him, gave him the benefit of the doubt. But then he just would not provide anything back I had given to him on projects and I got sick of being led on and feeling as if I was never good enough and he took my desperation for making music with a producer and just tried and suck on the friendship we had and keep me hanging and so I stopped talking to him.
And then he got scared, knowing julily was threatening to come out with more accusations on him. Trying to tell me she's crazy and not to listen. And I didn't give a shit at that point until his girlfriend reached out to me. Ryo confirmed all the shit he said and admitted to those lies and betrayals being true. He loves to talk over calls. (Probably because that way there's no readable evidence). He and my partner were friends and so he called HIM in a panic when I wouldn't answer. And then he hasn't spoken to me or him since. Further admitting he can't talk or reason himself out of anything. He's a fucked up, pathetic loser and liar. Not even his own damn girlfriend knew what was lies or truth except for that he was cheating on her and flirting with girls in the idol community ALL THE TIME.
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This is parts of the conversation with me and his gf. She didn't want to be exposed or dragged into anything so I'm blocking her name and picture out of respect. Unfortunately many of the things I claim were either experienced in person or like in call cause that's the main method he wants to communicate. You'll just have to take my word and everyone else's.
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And then here's some dm'd with him. Me finally getting fed up with the constant cycle of bullshit and him trying to turn it around like he's the victim here. This is all I can offer you to show you the truth in my experiences.
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I can confirm. I was acquainted with this Ryo guy a while back. He does have some music talent but he's a huge flake, manipulator, liar, always portraying himself as a victim
, always seeking validation, and surrounds himself with people who stroke his ego, everything you've already said is exactly what I've seen from him. He might be a bit autistic or something but it's no excuse, he's been informed of his problematic
behavior over and over and he pretends to want to change but then acts the victim
when he predictably doesn't and winds up hurting people. Definitely an insecure depressed guy who overcompensates way too hard but also flirts a lot with girls that are teens or look like teens which only gets creepier the older he gets. Probably almost 30 now. He uses whatever musical talent he has to impress girls, tries to get them hot for him, and when they eventually wise up or reject him, he turns on them and talks shit about them to his next unsuspecting victim
. And sadly for his now ex girlfriend, he talked shit about her behind her back too while he was still dating her, I suppose to make his targets feel sorry for him. I can imagine he's a major reason why Julily had whatever mental breakdown she went through when she had this guy gaslighting her on top of dealing with her preexisting issues. I'd probably also question reality at that point. I'm sorry you had to suffer him too Mocha.
This seems like a lot more than “drama”
I’m sure you’ll say your motives in sharing all this is to “protect people” or “get the word out” but you’ve just shared a private DMs of a potential victims
situation with a potential abuser without consent. She even told you she didn’t want to be involved.
If this person is an abuser you’re taking a victims
story and plastering it on public forums for your own benefit, whatever those benefits may be, without consideration for the people directly hurt in the relationship.
On top of that you may have blurred out names but if this potential abuser is so well known then people can find the girl who is/was his girlfriend and cause her unwanted grief and harassment over this.
You’ve violated her trust and privacy.
This person was clearly confiding in someone else whilst feeling severe pain over their situation and you ( and/or whoever gave you those DM screenshots ) are showing no care or consideration for her.
That’s pretty fucked up to me.
I hope this thread goes back to topics like shitty con venues and controversy over Japanese name appropriation. Not people’s legit personal shit / taking away the voices of potential victims
who may not be ready to discuss publicly what they have gone through.
I hope you feel ashamed for sharing those DMs and learn more consideration for others.
I also hope the people directly involved are able to get the help they need to heal.
Warn people sure, but get permission before sharing DMs with a potential victim
You can talk about inclusion all you want but what matters is the execution. Julily made OIC specifically for people seriously trying to be idols and used the term "overseas idol" to refer to them and help them find each other. If your definition of inclusion means allowing people into your community that don't fall under that definition who then redefine the term to mean next to nothing and attack you for trying to bring things back on track, then that form of "inclusion" does excuse toxic
people to hijack your community.
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Dude fuck the cgl jannies, why do they delete shit every fucking time someone comes in with something semi-important involving abusive idols???
And ban evasion? When? I wasn’t banned to begin with…..
Anyways, fuck cgl jannies and fuck Tambo, good riddance to toxic idols.
Fuck Kazu period.
Honestly, fuck poppy too for acting like she’s a victim
Being complicit in your friends’ bullshit and not clocking them on it doesn’t mean she gets to act like she’s been bullied. She was called out, and rightfully so.