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No. 106525
A new thread for drama revolving around Net-idol/dance cover group drama.
Currently (from the 2nd drama thread)
> Caroline and Neosenshis manager literally fought between themselves on lolcow instead of going to DMs> Carolines posts eventually got outted by lolcow mods, and the posts of her pretending to be other people/trying to change subject were made for all to see> Caroline quit instagram over her own mistake> Start Splash leader left the group, and both groups have gone silent> Prism idols disbandedPrevious Thread:
>>>/w/95801 No. 106972
>>106792You’re in for a hell of a time. New England’s idol community is like Texas Idol Comm Lite.
I don’t know how many groups are active currently due to COVID but if you haven’t read the previous idol threads, the first thread touches on Idolized/@idolizedne and some shit they have pulled in the past,
>>45079 is a good starting point.
First thread
>>36218 No. 107140
>>107137Sage for not really contributing, but I feel like I’ve read once that Dietshampoo is ~
toxic~. It’s worth checking the past threads if you haven’t, I know for sure there’s been more discussion on Darling in the first thread. I also don’t believe they’re directly affiliated with Idolized besides having had some of their past/current members.
No. 107232
>>107181I guess the main thing I dislike about diet shampoo is that she can't dance but always makes herself the center.
also this is a nitpick but it irritates me that she takes awful care of her circle lenses (doesn't switch out the solution regularly or throw them out when they expire etc) lol. Her friends yell at her for it on her vlogs but ig she doesn't care that you only get one pair of eyes.
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>>107408Theyre east coast groups because she talks about nyc cons and liverpool in the comments. You know you’re a cow if you get banned from wholeass cons. Want more milk on this.
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A new east coast idol group popped up. I have 1 question though why is a 26yr old this shadow person in a group with 16 yr olds? That is creepy.
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Waited a good month to post this but here is the proof.
No. 107621
>>106534Highly agree. I know that it’s up to the organizers to allow who they want in the festivals, but when I see idol festival, I don’t see any instrumentalists in them. It’s annoying to see a bad meme loving flautist and a social awkward pianist play in what I thought would be a singing and dancing showcase, especially since the spot could have gone to someone who was actually an idol….. not to mention, almost all the showcases this year have been pretty low ranking.
Also the way she and shining idol festival handled it was just absolutely cringe.
No. 107849
>>107621It’s Because everyone has become comfortable with mediocre talent, no one is trying to get better and push themselves.
Like get some singing lessons and music lessons (cause singing won’t teach you music theory) and actually work on your craft.
Can’t really blame the organisers when real talent is hard to come by.
No. 107870
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colorful.halation is promoting their new upcoming PV, that they have recorded during quarantine.
Honestly, I’m extremely disappointed. They didn’t even try to make it into a cute quarantine video by wearing masks. You heard me right, none of them are wearing masks in the video. They replied to someone concerned about social distancing in the comments with “don’t worry we’ve been safe UwU” Obviously not, since you’re not even wearing masks. It does not matter that you guys are close, and you’re 99% sure all of you are safe. You are still putting yourself and others in danger. I know for a fact several of the idols in the video still work jobs where they interact with people. You can never be sure, ESPECIALLY since not everyone is social distancing and staying home in the first place.
They just HAD to record their cute ‘aidolu video’ that they couldn’t wait until it was safe to make.
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Caroline's Homophobic self out here attacking Bi's for made-up events. What a disgrace. And when asked about it she can not provide proof of the events she claims happened.
No. 108052
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>>108050I’m downloading the original copy right now as an OIC admin said she was editing the video, will reupload for anyone who misses the original. According to other commenters she comes off as bitter and abrasive and did not ask any of the idols for permission to use their content in her video, including a minor.
No. 109281
>>108985Sage for off topic
I’ve never heard of kazu and couldn’t find anything related to her when I looked up a couple keywords, can you link the/a discussion
No. 109321
>>109281Look on the archives for the latest thread. The janitors deleted it.
Alternatively, look for her Twitter. It's right there.
No. 109475
>>109472Yeah these bother me to hell. I’m Asian, and changed my Japanese name to a more “American” name because I was relentlessly bullied for it. Not to mention, people would tell me my name was too difficult to say, so I’d be nicknamed “the jap”. There are way too many idols that have stolen our names just because they think they’re cute. Sakura Hana, Kuro-Hime (yes even if she is POC), Nana Pupurin, Aika/Aikaaiidol, all of these are people that are using our names just because they find them cute, or it goes into their “aesthetics”
An idol I find extremely commendable is IdolNobi, now IdolNani. She saw the posts about our asian names, and changed her idol name in response.
No. 109556
>>109321can't believe they deleted it
4chan is too soft these days
No. 109799
>>109783She just changed the name of her old account because she doesn’t want to lose followers, it’s @kawaiipiecosplay_
Also since that was posted, she changed her bio to “not making a comeback” so she’s still lurking on this site lmao
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There was an account called “exposing_kawaiipiecosplayer” on Instagram, but they seem to have deactivated now. They were just reposting everything about Caroline that had been posted here, and saying “anonymous anons” sent them. Looked like they were just going through lolcow and reposting though. All of it was just old news, and brought back up old drama for no reason. Not to mention they’ve suddenly deactivated?
Also, I wish I recorded the videos, but last night Lisa was going off on her instagram story about Caroline again. She’s deleted a good portion now for god who knows why. The gist of it though was screenshots of her and Caroline’s fight, screenshots of people telling her to die on Caroline’s behalf (deleted?), Caroline apparently @ Lisa on a story? And then the videos were just Lisa pretty much venting about it. I’m not sure why Lisa deleted all of the story videos of her speaking, and she also deleted the screenshots of people telling her to die, but kept the screenshots of her and Caroline’s fight. They’re still on her story as of now @xwingzlittlelifex
Lisa suddenly bringing up Caroline again, the expose account deactivating, and Lisa deleting a huge portion of her stories.. those don’t seem like coincidences to me.
What does everyone else think about this? I honestly am tired of old drama being brought up over and over again. I understand we want to make sure Caroline gets what she deserves, but not only is this affecting Caroline, but also everyone else she’s involved with. (Mostly soda at this point keeps getting dragged back in)
No. 110244
Since CGL seems to think anyone talking about it is being off topic (it's an idol thread, it was pretty fucking on topic….)
Is anyone keeping up with the ACO drama?
I'll link the warosu thread just because I'm too lazy to screenshot everything…..
https://warosu.org/cgl/thread/10461102#p10462300tl;dr version is that ACO is rejecting idols because of a personal vendetta with Grace… Real names got leaked, people are mad…. It was a bad business move.
No. 110247
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Since Sakurahana won’t post anything on her tellonym that doesn’t make her look like she’s being attacked, or that sides with her, I’m posting what I sent here. Sakura, you can try to silence our voices all you want, but Im not standing by it.
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>>110244Imagine calling people who weren’t involved disgusting when you literally shared a screenshot with somebody’s legal name in it. So it’s okay for her to doxx an American POC idol but not for two girls to question why they got instantly rejected for “personal reasons”. This entire situation is stupid.
No. 110280
>>110275Exactly.
Trying to say ‘well it’s because they’re associated with AL’, the American POC idol in question has NEVER performed at or been associated with any AL cons.
For a start, consider the fact that AL runs cons in the UK and she’s in the US…
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>>110275>>110280>>110281Imma just leave this here. Imaging trying to play
victim when you tell on yourself like this….
In the emails they said that the American and the UK idol were rejected for personal reasons…. The personal reason clearly is because they talk to Grace, whom they have the problem with
The American PoC idol dropped LIF because she got called the hard r and was being harassed for possible involvement in the showcase. A lot of idols dropped out actually because of the accusations they heard and harassment they got.
Unlike them, OIC collectively has proof of this convention is being shitty and trying to call for a witch hunt, but they can't prove Grace made that Turdfest account.
So…. Your move ACO.
No. 110294
>>109822Hello I was told to check here and I would like to state. my videos and everything I had posted aren't deleted. I have them under a private highlight which is where they have been for a while now. I posted those way before the expose account and Caroline even tried to rehash this crap. The others I posted was public and they weren't put into the public highlight because people were reporting them on Caroline's behalf. It's why they were deleted. Even though she believes I and someone else started that expose page I didn't. I have been busy living my life and the only reason I even spoke about her when I made that first highlight is because 1. People came asking for my side and 2. I had multiple death threats. So I addressed the issue I still I have that highlight but it's for close friends only so that Caroline's lackies can't report them. I moved on from her drama and when she put mine and another's name on her profile claiming we made that account I messaged her to remove it.and to not post me on her stories. That girls
toxic crazy and more I want no involvement with her and haven't wanted any for months I've moved on. Also to have seen my stories you must be a follower since that accounts been private for 2 months now, if any of Caroline's lackies follow me or anyone who wants to try dragging me back into this does please stop. Im over it and don't want to deal with her or anything with her again,let me live my life She and anyone else can think that account is or was mine, I for a fact know its not. This is all I'll be saying on this. Have a good day
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>>110275Posting the screenshot she posted in case people didn’t see it, you can see it says “kuro to me” which proves that the convention leaked these emails into to public. Regardless of any of the other drama, sharing private emails without permission, and even worse, sharing someone’s legal name which they haven’t publicized, is incredibly irresponsible…
No. 110332
>>110330Thank you for having the decency to cover her name, unlike the person who leaked them originally.
All I'm saying is that Kuro and Jenny had a right to warn people of the shadiness of that con, just like everyone should be warned if there was a bias playing into it. I feel like they both did it in a very calm way, they didn't harass anyone, and they didn't attack any of the staff.
ACO didn't have any right of accusing Grace of attacking them with that Turdfest account, and they damn sure didn't have a right to leak personal emails and names. They should have just told them they weren't what the con was looking for, rather than saying "personal reasons" without any intention of elaborating
ACO is in the wrong period.
No. 110347
>>110244I'd like to give a huge shout-out to cgl for deleting the evidence that this con is shit, and for silencing and banning people who post proof about ACO being completely unprofessional.
IDK what mod is cozy with them, but they forget the archives exist….
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4chan is full of shit. How the fuck was this trolling?
No. 110355
>>110323That is why the highlight is private and for close friends only. It is there for me to show people who specifically ask in the first place. I only reposted it because Caroline refused to remove my name and keep me and another uninvolved. Before coming to assumtions
please do ask me yourself,and not do so on this site. My DMs are open for a reason,I don't trust this site since Caroline and her lackies come here often and especially since Caroline pretends to be others. So if there's any further discussion you'd like to have please DM me on my page and we can speak as adults.
Please keep me out of any further drama involving that girl or her friends, I am no longer involved with her. I simply answer people who ask about her that is all. Thank you.
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It wasn’t.
Tinfoil moment: someone on the mod team works for ACO and is covering shit up or someone on ACO asked them to. No one was trolling at all.
Anyway ACO posted a response in their IG stories and it’s full of shit. It also doesn’t mention Grace at all.
The emails aren’t anywhere public, and the black girl’s name isn’t on her profile at all.
1/2 of their response
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>>1103662/2 response
Anyone can easily debunk this I mean…..
No. 110373
>>110372This would be a
valid argument if it weren’t for the fact legal names were asked. In the emails they used legal names. In the screenshots posted by Kuro hime, her name is blocked. They aren’t in the ACO email screens which is why it’s blocked in
>>110330. Jenny and Grace go by their real names but not Kuro hime.
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>>110372I didn’t see that part, so I will at least grant them that.
But as far as Kuro’s real name, I’ve yet to see it as I’m trying to find the truth in both sides. Jenny and Grace opted to use their real names I’m assuming?
One thing I will point out, is that in the statement, it says that they “all have years of experience” yet the “con head’s” own highlight on her Ig stories says her friends told her to because she was the best out of her friends to do so. That doesn’t really say that she has experience. That kind of tells me that no one knew wtf they were doing and picked her to be the leader.
Inb4 vendetta, I just want to get to the bottom of why a no name con like ACO is causing so much drama.
Pic for proof of the story highlight. I did the “con head” a favor and at least blurred her face.
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>>110378It was no “accident”. Here is the post of someone who knows them. They’re doing this to intentionally hurt Grace. Kuro and Jenny just got dragged in. S inserted herself so I have little sympathy for her
Kuro isn’t even in a group nor has she ever been associated with AL considering she’s in fucking America.
Pic for proof
No. 110384
>>110383I agree. Kuro was just warning people about her experience and some red flags she noticed. She was unfairly dragged into this out of a vendetta she never was a part of.
I mean Jesus, it's common knowledge that Jenny and Grace are the duo in the UK and Kuro is a soloist in America
No. 110386
>>110378All I’ve gotta say is;
Don’t host an idol event if you know jack shit about idols. Kurohime is one of the more popular ones, they did legitimately no research about it
No. 110387
>>110386If they're all part of the Overseas Idol group or whatever it is and had interactions with each other, follow each other, etc then they may have assumed they were associated.
>>110384Angelic Convention seems to be trying to be a whole convention with a side platform for idols tacked on like many conventions do. Doing a tiny stream like that doesn't mean they need to know everything about every idol in the major countries. It isn't specifically an idol event, or even Original Idol exclusive. There's different practices for everyday vs cosplay vs cosplay idols vs original idols and you can't expect every convention head to know everything about every subgroup at the con. Much less a convention head of an itty bitty virtual convention about such a niche group as Original Idols when not every idol has the same practices.
No. 110398
>>110397Why in God’s name would anyone help this con after this? And why are you making excuses? They’re wrong and need to admit it.
It’s clear that everyone or damn near everyone involved in this con doesn’t know a damn thing about idols or the community.
If they did, they’d know that Kuro is an American soloist who never had a thing to do with the drama of AnimeLeague. They’d know that Jenny and Grace are a duo from the UK. They’d know that Grace didn’t speak on them until they dragged her and her name into it, and they’d know that Grace completely broke ties with AL after some of her performers were harassed into dropping out.
There is literally no excuse for their behavior, and they should have been reaching out before this entire thing went down.
No. 110399
>>110398I'm not making excuses, everyone here except Kuro is in the wrong. I'm just trying to provide a differing opinion on the side of the con since everyone wants to pretend like the con is the big bad villain and the uwu idols didn't do anything wrong. The con needs to apologize, especially to Kuro, and the other two need to apologize to the con for trying to drag it through the mud. The con also needs to apologize to them for continuing on and escalating with them. This whole situation could have been avoided had the idols not scree'd to their fans about getting rejected for "bs" reasons. The con tried to be civil and say "personal issues" but the idols couldn't leave it that. They started talking and coming at the con and so the con finally gave in and said the reason. The idols didn't like that and so everything exploded. Both sides were shitty and they both need to own up to it. Poor Kuro was dragged into this mess by association and deserves an apology, but I truly believe that if the idols had just taken the rejection and not continued to pry to find out the "real reason" for the rejection then this drama wouldn't have started in the first place.
Kuro wasn't involved with AnimeLeague, but she is involved with Jenny and Grace through IG, Overseas Idol stuff, and the internet in general that is used to connect people and let them interact around the world. That's why she was considered associated with them I'm sure.
You are right, many people wouldn't want to help after this. That's why people should have stepped up to help beforehand if it was such a big deal. Many people didn't know about or care about this virtual con before the idol drama. It's almost like a catch-22.
No. 110407
>>110399The con never asked for community help is what I'm trying to tell you. They never came to anyone. It's the first time any of us had heard them.
Look, "personal reasons" is a bullshit excuse, especially if they had no plans to elaborate. Jenny had every right to ask who she had hurt too, since it seems she wanted to rectify the situation. In Kuro's email, she said it's a bad business move to let personal bias get in the way, and I have to agree, especially seeing this. This all happened because someone had a personal grudge against Grace, and dragged someone innocent into the fray.
If they weren't going to expand on those reasons, it shouldn't have been brought up to begin with.
Had they left their personal bias at the door and reached our before the even happened, I believe none of this would have happened.
I also believe that after this they're gonna need some good luck to get anybody good to participate.
I just hope Kuro gets a public apology out of this because damn dude…..
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>>110330“I didn’t doxx anyone, feel sorry for me!”
There’s proof of you sharing emails with somebody’s legal name (that isn’t public) on your public status. You obviously know what you did considering you hid that status and not the other one.
Half of the milk is in this girl, has she been tied to drama before?
No. 110421
>>110418This girl: “OP, you should abandon this turdfest account.”
Turdfest OP: (deletes account)
This girl: (shocked Pikachu face)
No. 110447
>>110418You’re shocked that people called you out on doxxing people so now you wanna play innocent?
Fuck, this con is making shit worse for themselves.
>>110437There’s a rumor that Jenny and Grace bullied some people after it came out that AnimeLeague has a sexual harasser for a con head? Idk the drama is years old, and although Grace and Jenny don’t bring it up unless peompted, ACO people refuse to. Like to the point of stalking Grace and sabotaging her stuff
No. 110483
>>110472I saw that too.
Sakura stopped right? Like tell me she's got enough respect to stop at this point…
No. 110491
>>110490So let me get this straight. Not only does this stupid fuck have zero ideas about idols, he’s also known to start his own drama by doxxing himself???
How pathetic lmao
Anyone who signs up for that idol festival clearly is desperate.
No. 110505
>>110369So I tried emailing them to get more info out of them yesterday and they haven’t responded.
I also know of another that has tried too (a LL cosdancer), and they too were met with silence.
I don’t really think they have any intention of clarifying anything, they just want to pass the buck and feign innocence. What a waste.
No. 110790
>>110746Well this post says “nobody is saying that they’re worried more about it than the bigger issue at hand” and if they were more worried about it than BLM then “they’re dumb as fuck”
so she was never against BLM she was just uneducated about the looting. People getting into arguments about heated issues is important. Those arguments lead to learning. She wasn’t against BLM just didn’t know how to support and uplift the movement correctly. Got caught up on the looting like the media wanted everyone to.
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alright what did Caroline do this time
No. 111317
>>111314>>111313Does this mean that jen of sodapop is ONCE AGAIN openly supporting a racist apologist? Because her post, and Sakura quitting, is too well timed to be a coincidence. she has to be talking about Sakura being “bullied” out.
Sakura herself is the one who followed a racist, fatphobic and overall
toxic girl. Then decided to try and say that she “just randomly followed her” and didn’t see any of the tiktoks that were offensive. (Which, how? 95% of that girls tiktoks are offensive). Also what kind of bullshit excuse is that, why the fuck would you follow some random person on tiktok and not look at their tiktoks?
No. 111335
>>111317Sakura is
toxic herself, it's her own damn fault she got kicked from the server.
Staff warned her. Everyone warned her.
Next time, she should take the advice of everyone and distance herself from racist ass idols.
No. 111387
>>111366Yeah defending a racist cosplayer and pissing off everyone was the final straw.
I'm shocked though, considering she was banned from the main OIC server anyway, and managed to slip into OIC lite.
But now she's venting on her vent IG (she should better check who she lets on there…..) about how idols are
toxic and she's gonna stick to Love Live communities, not realizing they're worse than the idol comm.
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>>111387She's still blaming OIC and other idols? She's the one who gets involved in literally any scrap of drama she can get her hands on and then cries about how everyone is harassing her. She refuses to delete her tellonym despite how bad it's fucking up her life, because she loves the attention her bullies send, and it gives her more ammunition to play the
victim. As a random lol, here's the Instagram story of the "not a racist, you had have to get to know her" girl THAT sakura was defending.
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LOL WAT she‘s been told to sue OIC for calling her out on her bullshit, good luck with that lmaooo
No. 111399
>>111389THAT’S who she got banned over?!
BITCH!!!!! She should have just took OIC’s advice and just dropped her but no….. well I hope that only friend was worth it.
>>111392>>111395OIC literally told her to delete her tellonym and to stay out of people business, why would anyone bully her there???
She’s got a lot of nerve, especially after traumatizing tf out of Kuro two weeks ago and defending a racist after being warned to stop. She likes the drama and negative attention, I don’t feel sorry for her one bit.
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>>111391samefagging because I’m a dumbass with a bad memory but yeah. Pic related.
I knew not unfollowing immediately would pay off one day, I just didn’t think it would be so soon.
No. 111406
>>111400“The idol community doesn’t condone racism, they’re so
toxic!”
I don’t feel sorry for her at all. I’ve seen other idols with Tellonym and they just delete any trolls or BS they get, Sakura was told so many times that responding to it doesn’t help and just encourages it. She only has herself to blame for not listening.
No. 111544
>>111496Indefinite hiatus, not disbandment.
But I agree. Poppy needs to grow a spine and tell Kazu to fuck off. She makes Poppy look so bad
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dunno if they’ve ever been discussed here but maidoremi(? マイドレミ) is absolutely embarrassing for how old they are. arisu hogs the spotlight most of the time glancing at their social media, whores herself out on social media and eyefucks herself in the camera at every opportunity, makes terrible comedy videos on twitter, and is otherwise an insufferable cunt. the other two are just there to prop up her vanity project. one is suicidal and attempting to attract simps with cosplay, and the other is basically absent from their social media. arisu rags on 48g groups for not ‘being particularly talented’ meanwhile her group has none at all
https://twitter.com/perisiedw/status/1304124787594207232?s=21also quite funny how at pretty much every live they do they go first or second in the line up, yet arisu has the gall to say ‘they’ve improved’ kek. if you improved, promoters wouldn’t try to get rid of you as quickly as possible.
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Caroline is back in the idol business. Yeah not love live but still an idol community.
No. 112864
>>112724Kinda wish she'd go away and take her drama with her, but since I know that's not gonna happen, I just don't publicly acknowledge her.
I think people should starve her of the attention she wants and she'll just quietly cosplay at home
No. 113460
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Sakura Hana was once again shitting on other groups publicly. “I’m quitting the idol community” my ass, she’s literally still talking shit about them
No. 113461
>>113460Seriously?
She’s mad because no one wants to deal with her shit anymore…. this is why she’ll never be taken seriously.
No. 113474
>>113460Lmao she’s deleted it already
When will she realise she’s literally inserting herself into the drama
No. 113484
>>113474Too bad screenshots are forever kek
If she has any plans on returning to the idol scene, she might as well forget it at this rate. I mean it’s not like she was well liked before but now? Damn
No. 113615
>>113548ACO thought the same thing lol
Like, it takes five minutes to look up what something is. People are dumbasses.
No. 113880
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>>113803You got the shots?
Also Hi Sakura! You still suck but not for the reasons you think. It's your own fault you were kicked from OIC. Didn't have shit to do with anyone else, they warned you before it happened. Next time listen to people, and stop hanging around racist ass idols if you don't want to be associated with or seen as a racist yourself.
Do better kid, yours in college now. Grow up and act like it.
No. 113921
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WHOOPS
Trololololololol hi Sakura
No. 113926
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Uh….isn't SakuraHana that wannabe fugly girl that made a thread about herself around a year ago here? And she was selfposting and calling us bullies and whatnot? She was extremely delusional about thinking she was going to become a mega idol in Japan, and now she's back on lolcow again
No. 113933
>>113926Yeah and she basically hasn’t changed at all since then. The most recent tea is that she got kicked out of OIC for defending racist behaviour and quit the idol community because ‘everyone is a big
toxic meanie’ >:( lol
No. 113935
>>113933Lol if by "
toxic" you mean how whenever anybody tries to politely tell her her dancing needs work and she needs to work on her appearance, she freaks out and cries about bring bullies, then yeah. She's been delusional from the start.
No. 113946
>>113935Her dancing is the least of her problems….
Her problem is her refusal to take criticism. She won't ever improve as long as she keeps ass kissing orbiters around her…. Not to mention the fact that she won't take advice, solicited or no.
She needs to take responsibility for her shit and go from there.
No. 113949
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Yup, the entire account is gone lmao
No. 115239
>>115185Actually, I’ve just figured out the problem. Turns out Instagram has started tagging accounts as for 18+, and if they’re tagged in anything, you can’t go to their profile. You have to manually type their username into search, and when you go to their profile it asks you if you’re over 18 or not. After I confirmed I’m over 18, I now can click on tagged posts with her and her account actually exist lmao. I’m not sure if this is a one time thing Instagram is gonna make us do, or if any accounts that get tagged 18+ this will happen to.
Either way, Instagram is fucking up the algorithm once again and making it hard for cosplayers
No. 116195
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Anyone else noticed how Caroline changed her name and still uses LL avatars even though she said she was done with LL.
Also anyone know what this drama with princess.of.destiny.cos is about? Heard something about her having stalked a underaged idol.
No. 116356
>>116195Look, if we stop discussing Caroline, she’ll starve from lack of attention.
Let her and her messy ass drama die.
No. 116492
>>116461Kinda sus that every person who knows Caroline's true nature is suddenly an awful person. So the second they try to say anything against Caroline all of a sudden they're so much worse.
Sounds like Caroline's WK'ing herself again.
No. 116664
I mean why does anyone believe anything that’s said on here? It’s all anonymous. Anyone could say anything. Personally, I have zero reputation in the idol community— good or bad. The only people that know who I am in this community are the members of a group I just joined, and those directly entangled in this drama. I haven’t announced anything about being in the group. I haven’t debuted. Nothing. My name is not in the public’s eye. At least until my identity is outted by someone that’s a part of this drama. I had Casper delete all traces of me from their accounts when we had our falling out. Then all this shit started happening. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Casper is some evil/malicious person. They definitely don’t always treat people who care about them well, however. There’s definitely screenshots of things that have been said about me behind my back in existence. Having said that, I don’t want to be the one to provide them. If they pop up, so be it. But I don’t want to be the one to post them. Granted, it wasn’t anything so terrible that I think Casper needs “cancelled” or witch hunted. It definitely hurt but I don’t wish ill will on them. Idk. I’m just playing devils advocate. In the idol community, let’s face it. Everyone shit talks each other at some point, at least from what I’ve seen. Idols are super gossipy. Even people outside of the community are guilty of gossiping. You can’t deny that. Anyone reading this is probably guilty of shit talking behind someone’s back. It’s not right to witch hunt someone for doing something literally everyone has done at some point. A callout was made, things were brought to the light, and now Casper has removed themselves from social media. It’s over. Honestly at this point idk if I even want to be involved with this community. This is the second time I’ve found myself getting close to someone less than ideal within the community. It just seems like no one is safe because everyone is so quick to tear each other down. I don’t want to constantly walk on eggshells. I feel like if I left the idol community and remained a regular cosplayer I’d be perfectly safe from witch hunts and stuff. Plus everyone I’ve met so far has had some level of toxicity. I wanted to do this for fun. But it seems like everyone takes this shit so seriously. Guys, you’re not professionals. You’re not some big shot that everyone knows. You’re mostly ragtag cosplayers trying to make dance covers. It’s not even original content. Everyone and their dog does the same exact stuff. Who cares about you? There’s nothing special about any of us. Idk. Just my two cents. I’m going to be following the drama for damage control and to make sure my name doesn’t end up out here and dragged through the mud over nothing. No one deserves to get hurt or have their reputation ruined over stupid/petty crap. I stg this community is toddlers and tiaras but with weeaboos.
No. 116692
>>116664Shut up. If you didn’t care about the drama you wouldn’t be here.
You say the comm is toddlers and tiaras but for weebs yet here you are.
You obviously feed off this shit, and I can tell you’re just itching for someone to bring your name up.
I’m no one you know, but I’ve been around here for a while; you’re behaving just like Caroline, Sakura, Alana, and every other attention starved weeb who ends up here. If you don’t care, and if you know no one takes the shit here to heart, then hush and let it die.
Just like you, I’m sure the others involved are too chicken shit to provide receipts anyway.
No. 116701
>>116664You talk about the overseas idol community like they’re all cosplay dancers. No disrespect to cosplay dancers, but they aren’t idols. You can’t call yourself an idol if all you do is cosplay and dance - that makes you a cosplayer and odorite, which is great and definitely takes work, but it’s not the same as idol.
And plenty of overseas idols release original content… Calina, Kuro Hime, Shooting Stars, Koneko, just to name a few who have released original songs within the last month.
No. 116743
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>>116532I am also a
victim of Casper’s antics unfortunately. We dated early this year and I fell in love with them, i made a joke that i thought was funny but i guess they didn’t think it was and completely destroyed our relationship over it and didn’t want to talk about it at all. They also claimed i was stalking them, but in reality i kept
Finding stuff of theirs at my house and was
Returning it. I don’t hate them and i hope they get help but playing the
victim isn’t going to help anyone and if anything it makes Casper look pathetic. Pic attached i of the night i made the joke and they played the
victim once again
No. 116752
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This is the screenshot proving they were with a minor. At the time of the date they were over 18 and the legal age in OK (their home state and where they are legally from) is 18. Also sus that they are SLEEPING OVER at minors houses and with minors (In their tiktoks before the victimization of themselves). And they also admitted the person was 17 in the messages. I cropped the contact picture that had my face included but idrc if people figure out who I am. And to argue that 17 is close enough to 18, consider that if the person in question wanted to take legal action they could and Casper would get into legal trouble. The victims named is colored out for their safety since they are still a minor.
No. 116826
>>116664This has Caroline vibes all over it seriously a long tangent about not caring or wanting to be in drama yet is posting here. I wouldn't put it past Caroline if this is yet again her trying to stir drama that doesn't actually exist yet again. Same as she did with anyone else who's left her for her
toxic behavior. Even her recent boyfriend saw her for who she truly was and got out before it was to late and I m sure she tells people he fucked up and not her. Just like she's said with ALL her ex's before.
No. 116839
>>116743Hello, Gabby from NeoCherry! Cool to know you’re stalking the thread. I don’t like you but honestly you’re right on this one. Casper is an absolute trash person. I try to just lurk most of the time but this is something that
triggers me every time I see it. Casper was the source of many a bad day for me. I’m shaking right now and honestly trying not to cry, it was THAT bad. The first time I saw them on my FYP it was with Caroline and I honestly felt sick to my stomach.
Anyways, I’m one of Casper/Doe’s ex best friends. They deserve their own thread. They have a history of doing this to people— someone makes them uncomfortable for one second and they drop them with no warning or chance to explain themselves. They victimize themself CONSTANTLY. The first time they ever got rid of me, they posted on their story acting the
victim instead of talking to me directly. When they were friends with Caroline (or is she still? Idk, she blocked me!) it came out that Caroline had been harassing me anonymously. Take that as you will. I asked them why the hell she would be friends with someone who clearly had it out for me and they blocked me, playing the
victim and claiming I was trying to control them. Then, she sent one of her IRL friends to my inbox. That friend sided with ME and tried to calm Casper down, but it was no use.
The first time she ever dropped me, it was because of some dumb ass reason I can’t even remember. It was THAT trivial. Then she came back to me, claiming to have “changed” thanks to medications and I, being someone who had experienced this myself, honest to god believed them. She also complimented my cosplay, which I later found out they made fun of behind my back.
I was also friends with some of their other friends and they were dropped after laughing at some cheesy stuff, at which Casper (known as Doe at the time) thought they were laughing at THEM so they stormed out of the house.
They CONSTANTLY make fun of anyone, even their friends. They talked shit about Caroline, THEIR FRIEND, to me nonstop. I don’t blame them because Caroline is a shitstorm in of herself, but really? Your friend? Then she shit talked my other friend to me all the time. I had to shut them down constantly. There were so many warning signs, and I have SO many stories. I’m glad they’re finally getting what they deserve. I don’t care if my identity is completely exposed by this, they fucking deserve every bad thing that comes their way. They are manipulative, deceitful, untrustworthy, and overall absolutely horrid.
Oh, and Willow? Her lackey? She’s been brainwashed, but you didn’t hear it from me.
No. 116843
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hi yes it’s me! i do want to apologize but i think we all know when you are with casper they manipulate your ideas of people! i am still collecting evidence and have so much already so if any victims want to reach out my insta is @spookywillow.cos.
and if anyone i hurt wants to reach out and wants an apology i will gladly give one to you! i think it’s important that we put our differences aside and warn people of casper since they are becoming dangerous to the LL community and the cosplay community. they also haven’t left since they will still be posting on their tiktok and their twitter and tumblr seem to be active still. just be aware and take the necessary precautions! i attached a ss of their most recent username which they use on all three platforms currently. i have plenty of stories including this super heartbreaking one that a victim reached out to me for. i’m waiting to get most stories so everything comes out at the same time!
thank you and don’t hesitate to message me!
No. 116968
>>116876>>116900>>116935This cos-thot may get the thread locked because people still don’t realize that cosplayers who dance don’t need to be around weebs disguised as “idols”…. their drama always fucks the energy of whatever community they bombard.
No wonder no one likes them.
Caroline needs to grow the fuck up and just cosplay silently.
No. 117241
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Making everything about herself as usual.
No. 117289
>>117241If she didn't want anything to do with them, why she constantly got their name in her mouth?
I hope Grace says something. I really do.
No. 118737
Ok, I just wanna say that I’m not usually a very critical person… I can deal with a little off key singing or some imperfect mixing…
But what the fuck even is this.
https://youtu.be/uxG47REMzrs No. 119493
>>119469 >>119382
>>119380 >>119041
>>118755 >>118754
>>117877 >>117109
>>116900Hi newfag(s) please read lolcow rules and learn to sage, it gets annoying fast
No. 120908
>>120602>>120622>>120758>>120791>>120897It’s extremely clear y’all are new.
Sage your shit and learn how to respond to posts
No. 121000
>>120982why call self post on everything, why not just take it cause it’s a fair point?
Where else do you get material from? My local craft shop has the shittiest material. So I don’t blame her using Taobao. Taobao got all the good stuff!
No. 124256
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I know that it’s an affectionate name for a dog (with wan meaning woof) but I still feel like Puchiko’s new song has an unfortunate name
For those who aren’t familiar with British slang, wank means masturbate lmao
No. 127382
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Cosplayer warning Tara Leeno Yancey aka princess.of.destiny.cosplayz is trying to enter the love live community and she is a pedophile, friends with rapists, homophobic (used they them to hide her homophobic self), racist (called someone of mixed color a white girl and says Google says it's not racist), doxxed a minor and is trying to dox another. Plays victim and pretends fake accounts aren't her (so basically another Caroline in the making) stir clear anyone who doesn't take her side when shown proof will be harrased and told to kill themselves.
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>>127382Lmao love live cosplayers and cosidols are a damn disease omg
Why does love live attract such garbage humans?
No. 127537
>>127460I know what you mean and this person is like a Caroline 2.0 but probably worse. They surround themselves with minors, preaches about
toxic folks and how drama shouldn't be on a page but posts and talks alot of drama. And their 24, wanting to join the idol community I fell bad for any group they join. It'll be another sodapop/neosenshi all over again from how much Tara pretends to be other people online.
No. 127894
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Princess talking to the rapist my bad
No. 128053
>>127537The only reason I won't give her flack for joining so late is because there's a few over 27 and they're actually good considering what we've got to pick from.
But the rest of that shit? Hard pass.
No. 128229
>>128136Pardon me but first off I personally know Mikuni im one of their friends who goes by Z now I dont mean to butt in or anything but you all on this anon site seem to be mistaken
First off stop deadnaming them and misgendering them Mikuni has been going by them/they for three years because of them being very disphoric about their deadname over all (plus many people can't even pronounce it right in the first place) second off so im hearing some pedophile accusations is there proof on this as well as them posting this alleged se/f-h*r note? I do also want to state mikuno has debunked that video over all its on there instagram still as well as them calling out said
toxic people. I do also wanna say Lee shows no interest in being in love live or an idol (they have their own youtbe for singing nothing more)but they did come across a
toxic idol that they called out by the name of beanswrld2k or Cassidy as Lee called her on the last live stream. From my understanding is both Cassidy and her boyfriend Doug (both NYC locals) are doxxing and stalking minors even going as far as to threaten them i do also remember Mikuni telling me something about Cassidy being kicked out of an idol group and wanting now to rip up their costumes.
No. 128239
>>127893Oh yes I personally saw all the bullshit lies from everyone and lets just say people really like to pretend to be Mikuni given how many accounts that pretend to be them and ive tracked back. You do realize that its
toxic to even involve yourself in a drama situation that legit dosent conseren other expect party 1 and party 2? From the many years ive known mikuni THEY OWNED UP TO THAT SHIT ALREADY let it die ffs you guys sound like people on tellonym 2.0 like come on leave them alone. You guys really like to reach for any drop of milk at this point where you would drag an innocent cosplayer who legit has stated many times before they have no interest in being an idol and that you guys are some of the most
toxic people they have ever met. Like I remember another idol you guys wouldn't even leave alone and im told she would go crying to mikuni about this whole ducked up page someone named sakurahan. Maybe grow the fuck up and leave people alone this whole situation is because one
toxic cosplayer won't shut her or mybad his trap.
No. 128339
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Careful, z was one who also bullied tara. Tara misgenders and proceeds to speak on drama. Even was publicly openly homophibic. Tara/mikuni is crazy.
No. 128340
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More proof, hmm mikuni how you going to lie your way outta this?
No. 128341
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Has openly bullied a cafe they were kicked out of
No. 128342
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Used puke emojis on a black cosplayer
No. 128343
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The rapist she befriended knowing damn well the person who trusted her fake self opened up and cried to her about. She is also a child predator which makes sense on why she would befriend a rapist. This was sent from tiktok by someone named moon
No. 128344
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There is a 100% possibility she'll claim these are fake yet everyone has screenshoted these. There us a cafe warning thread and toxic cosplayer thread on redit about princess of destiny
No. 128345
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She changed her name all the time. After she calls someone out (although she claims to hate cancel culture) she throws personal information about others out like a piece of shit person. She calls people out with absolutely no proof and then changes her name to avoid hate, which shows she lies. Then proceeds to harass a black person with still no proof. I was told thru the redit feed that mikuni lost court due to lies. Yet is a acab and blm. Threatened a black person with the law
No. 128346
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Also put a stereotype on a black person and publicly claimed they were a druggie. Which is not ok. I heard legal action is being taken thru the bpoc voting and the akemi person rn.
No. 128347
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Their response cuz the are salty about people moving on from them
No. 128348
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Yet hates cancel culture and can't take shit when people call theur ugly asses out for their stupid ads self. She needs fucking hell and I hope she never enters this community wtf
No. 128351
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Supposeldy z, the person defending them when z and tara have made threats to hurt others on tellonym. Like what
No. 128353
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No. 128354
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Proof that when she wants drama, she'll feed into it. She and several others gatekeeping namine and lying trying to say this person stole art from the creator who created rwby.
No. 128363
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Here Tara is posting on a fake account that is supposedly an ex BF who has also followed others and claimed to not know Tara but uses Tara's names in the story. This is an account run by Tara herself. Very Caroline of you, let's not allow her with the idols
No. 128364
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Proof they say not to know Tara.
No. 128365
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Tara posting someone's private suicide note for public to see. Also this note was old the person survived so they are bringing up old PERSONAL things and claim it's to warn people. Warn then of what? Someone who writes a suicide note is not suicide baiting like you Tara who threatened to kill themselves if your partners broke up with you.
No. 128380
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We're apparently toxic idols for warning people of someone so awful..This has Caroline 2.0 all over it. New year comes a new Caroline copy
No. 128550
>>128380Hiiii Z again, actually yes by constantly talking about a non-idol who hasn't done shit, APOLOGIZED for the shit they have done, you all defending minors who doxxed her (give me a sec to actually find that proof because at least two or three people [might have to be later because im no where near my computer that has these screenshots] 1 of which i know for a fact is a minor and two are of legal age) uhm, thats not proof on a "suicide note" all it says is repost and even then if you look at the top on that its from some other account called Kyle._.kickedthebabybro or something like that. yikes i see Kahoru lost it (he's actually a friend of mine two i met him when he was dating Mikuni and he legit is being an asshole to people deadnaming them xD) kinda amusing if you ask me. Kahoru is a legit person mikuni use to always brag about him in high school when they dated, i personally dont know why those two broke up but they did then mikuni stayed single for a year.
okay look telloym is bullshit and isn't "proof" either its about as bullshitty as this website overall. (also thats not an open threat at all you guys really over here reaching no wonder Mikuni called you guys
toxic) you guys are doing the same shit you did to sakurahana (who i talked about before). Im sorry Mikuni dosent give the time of day to
toxic idos like Cassidy Meguine, Lisa (which im guessing where these comments about CAROLINE are coming from) or Mistyheartcosplays. Pardon me as i laugh but im sorry what xD Mikuni has been my best friend since forever and has never once bullied me.
Cafe shit is three years old and apologized for and dropped already so its old ass news :) oh look an out of context message when i was also shown this group chat and was shown some other cosplayer talking about how a
poc should have a muzzle and a white ass cosplayer who hated that same cosplayer but thats not my cup of tea pretty sus imo. awe cute yall found my other friends tiktok who is also Mikuni's friend too <3 how nice. oh Mikuni talked about that message in specific, this last time they cut off Melanie because of how
toxic her and her fans had become Mikuni was just being nice and blunt thus the request of Melanie and thats it Mikuni isn't going to put up with bullying stalking etc.
Oh yes i remember Bobby he had this creepy ass crush on Mikuni during high school if im remembering correctly during the time they were dating Kahoru too Ah good times on telling that creeper off he also stated harassing others at that same time about the
abusive ex. I can give a run down of that 4 year
toxic relationship because again as her best friend we always kept each other informed on one another's lives when we can but the man thing about that relationship of 4 years was emotionally
abusive. Mikuni infact would come crying to me sometimes saying how they would try to talk to him and get him. they would BEG for even a little bit of communication. even when they needed him the most he would send her to voicemail then call me (while at work but i never minded she's like a sister to me). so by the last year anytime Mikuni would be at a con they would send him pictures and he would get massive butt hurt (he got butt hurt over at least three or four pictures i was shown, one of them with some band members at sabaku 2019, one from connichiwa where it was a "stage" kiss with them and a
toxic sora cosplayer and then the last one being a simple kiss on the cheek picture of them with the same sora cosplayer) the reason they broke up this last time was because i personally remember them showing me how he kept guilt tripping them and then kept shoving religion down their throat plus arguing about who they were as a person, no where was that breakup even talked about online. He had depression even before they started dating according to Mikuni…infact i remember her calling me that weekend telling me about what happened…something about their roomates telling them to go check on him and when they got to his room caught him right in the act, took off running and didn't even want to look at him because THAT'S MANIPULATION overall. For two years things were okay it wasn't too bad (there first breakup makeup was really bad because his dumbass drove home drunk and there dumbass got rapped that night again not my business) second was because his mom didn't like Mikuni third was because of distance and then like i said the forth was the manipulation and using self harm to his advantage after a big argument.
You seemed to be out of hiding CASSIDY MERGUINE aka BEANSWRLD2K honestly grow the fuck up your a 20 year old harassing and stalking a 24 year old who dont give two shits about you. you've threatened underage idols and some have come to mikuni thanking them because no one wants to deal with your
toxic attitude no wonder your friends with Melanie again you both have some fucking loose screws in the head. please go get help no one wants to fear going to a con and being stalked and harassed thankssss :)
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 128863
>>128799Agreed….
>>128599Have you lost your mind??? Don’t do that. Wish that for their costumes, not them.
No. 129206
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Looked into this princess whatever, cosplayers are a different breed. Why would you say step on me to a 13 yr old and why are so many minors following that girl's account. I hope she stays from idol community a danger to minors for sure.
No. 129363
>>129206No one gives a shit about this cosplayer or Caroline in this thread.
This is for western weebs who think they can be musicians and for cosplay weebs who think love live is a personality trait/ is how idol shit really operates.
Seriously. Stop bringing this cancerous ass stain up and focus on net idols.
No. 129492
>>129455This year the only milky thing idol wise was ACO and that barely gave us something.
It’s so sad to me that this random ass cosplayer fucked up the entire thread like this
No. 129644
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>>129575It’s my personal theory that something serious happened between the twins and Shun. Even though they’re saying this was a long time coming, I seriously think Shun was pushing for something the twins just didn’t like when it came to SYA.
Whatever it was, it was also enough for them to quit Seishun Gakuen in addition to disbanding SYA.
I mean after Unending Melody’s mixed reception (tbh it didn’t even feel like something SYA came up with), it was clear to me that something was off.
I’m rambling I’m sorry.
No. 129648
>>129644Nah don’t apologise. It’s an interesting and plausible theory.
Something definitely happened between the twins and the other three girls imo. I just wonder if they parted on good terms or if it was a shitshow.
No. 129656
>>129648If we're being honest?
Stella didn't seem like she liked being in SYA much. She always struck me as the "sleepy/ uninterested" member. Jessica and Emily seemed to wane in their interest as time with on.
Seeing their work with SYA then seeing their work with NS, there's a stark contrast in their mannerism and performance "style" almost as if being under a Japanese label stressed them all to a breaking point.
God I'd pay to know what happened for real. For three to keep going and two to just go into hiding, it had to have been bad.
No. 129688
>>129656 Non Sweet is still working with Shun in Japan. He wrote their song Merry Xmas Kiss.
I also don't agree that Stella, Jessica and Emilys were not interested in SYA, since I watched their final live at idolcon and they were the only 3 members present. The twins didn't even participate in SYAs final months, maybe they didn't care for SYA anymore?
I think something happened between the girls. I do feel like the members on Non Sweet seem a lot more natural and relaxed
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Bro that prince.of.destiny chick is nuts like who even says this kinda crap. How are preferred names nicknames bro what's wrong with this girl. Can we keep her out of the idol scene like we did Caroline?
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>>129689If y'all dumbasses would stop bringing them up and obsessing over them, we could…..
Just stop posting her and no one will follow or know about her. It's that simple. It's only you ignorant ass cosplayers who's keeping this up. Idols and idol enthusiasts don't give a shit about her.
No. 132405
>>129575I have a lot of thoughts.
My theory is that the twins weren't keen on stepping out of anything that wasn't weeaboo Otaku out of date shit. The other three girls seemed more normal. if you think about it, the twins are very private. I've followed them since the late 2010s and I still feel like I don't really know them. They seem particular about how they're presented and that inflexibility can be difficult for management and other members. Non-sweet hopefully will have a better future. I love that they're not doing a school girl concept.
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looking at koibitos page honestly a lot of the cosplays are bad but this yoshiko is honestly laughable like they really saw her like that and her BANGS like that and let her take pictures with them like damn also her makeup and just expression just looks so bad… the other pictures of her are even worse. Kind of just looks like a man in a wig honestly and seeing as how she has she/her in her bio most likely is a man in a wig. the other idols aren’t nearly as bad but they are still pretty horrible like the riko you can see her hair showing through the wig in most of the pictures there’s probably like 2 good looking idols in this whole group and probably can’t even save themselves no matter how good their dancing is
No. 156632
>>154829Kazu will be nice to you when it's a social setting but be very rude when it comes to situations where decisions need to be made. She thinks she's always right and will try to take control even if it's not her role to do so.
She was also very rude in the oic discord back when she basically was in a fight with Julily about what being an "idol" is.
No. 156640
>>156632Julily is the only person in this community who’s more
toxic than Kazu. That shit was a dumpster fire
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This is a lie. She has never apologized to me or any of my friends she has harmed. She has NEVER taken accountability for her actions. She wants people to talk to her privately so that she can further attempt to keep her reputation in tact. Anyone who is not her victim would believe what she wrote, while she further gaslights and re-traumatizes people in her DMs. She will never change and she demonstrates it with her response.
No. 156691
>>156657Sure as hell hasn't apologized to me either. If she wants to really make amends, she will go apologize to the people. A
victim of your shitty behavior is not the one to approach you for an apology. Sorry that's not how that works. Also noticed how she's trying to drop the Kazu name now.
No. 156734
>>156680Okay so where's the proof of people saying they had bad experience working with Julily?
Personally, she's been nothing but professional and hard working when I worked with her on several occasions.
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She says she apologizes for being mean or whatever, but her cover photo basically is saying she doesn't give a fuck?
No. 156751
>>156744"If you'd like to talk, you're welcome to DM us here!"
No, bitch, how about YOU reach out and put effort into this mess you keep making worse and worse. Lazy.
No. 156768
>>156734Not OP but I do remember her throwing a shit fit at AWA demanding to be last. She wasn’t in the end kek
Can’t help but notice how all of her old group members are
problematic to her… might just be that she’s the problem
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>>156640You can stop that slander right there.
Julily had her hang ups, and yeah she was painfully irritating at times, but she is nowhere near Kazu and Washu levels…. Julily actually gave a slight fuck or else she wouldn't have made OIC, even if she has the worst way of showing it.
Ffs if you're gonna wk someone, please choose someone of substance and talent, not two spawns of hellfire and bullshit.
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>>156735Looks like Kazu left their previous group. I wonder if the group members finally kicked her out or if she decided running with her tail between her legs was the best way to go. Good riddance, anyways.
No. 162775
>>157091Youre right, Julily just constantly excuses a known abuser, talks negative of nearly everyone when you get her alone, and goes off the rails constantly on social media. Shes talks so much about wanting to be a positive role model but is constantly talking negativity about other people on her lives and videos. Its one thing to 'call ppl out' when its warranted, its another to be petty and bitter.
The fact that young people look up to her is concerning. She is very professional and hard working, but she can still be morally wrong and be those things
No. 163945
>>162775What known abuser? Do you have proof of this?
She does go off on people who might not deserve it sometimes, but it seems to be only in the last year or so that she's been really petty and bitter.
No. 165115
>>163945Probably because her dream for oic was smashed by a bunch of crybaby cosplayers larping as idols.
She goes overboard and is often misguided in her rants, but I don't blame her.
And no this isn't to defend her…. She's dead wrong sometimes……
No. 165576
>>162775I keep seeing that accusation pop up every so often but like the only people I've heard complain about this "abuser" is like the same 3 or 4 people from the same friend group. I wouldn't call that a "known" fact. They hide behind anonymity to pretend more people know about it than in reality. And these same people keep bringing up how Julily is a horrible person for associating with this "abuser" yet they still haven't provided any proof despite claiming to have it and wanting to reveal it. It's been two years and still nothing. From what I gathered they deleted the only proof they really had when they deleted their discord.
I won't name names but I think this friend group just has a personal beef against Julily and/or said "abuser". Unless you have real receipts stop bringing that shit up.
No. 165698
>>165576The argument that it’s the same couple of people who don’t like her doesn’t hold any weight without proof either. It sounds like Julily and her white knights are ignoring her own bad behavior to shift blame on others.
I’m not from her area, but online she’s a total cunt. She seems like a spoiled bully who hides behind an untreated mental illness to avoid any accountability.
With that said, if she’s being abused by someone who is a “known abuser”, I very much hope she comes to terms with that and gets out. Idc how bad of a person you are, no one deserves that. And its up to
victims to come forward when and if they’re ready, not up to an anon message board to fish them out .
No. 165726
>>165698Not white knighting, just being objective. Two years ago there was a small group of people (mostly girls judging by the catty behavior) trying to spread some really nasty rumors about Julily and this "known abuser" under the guise of warning people about him. There were supposedly witnesses to his past behavior but when pressed for evidence about the guy they said "it's coming soon" and then nothing happened. They also mentioned that the best evidence they had was in a discord server that had been deleted which sounds like a very convenient excuse to anonymously drop a serious accusation and then not take accountability for the consequences.
Like Julily is by no means a perfect person and has definitely said plenty of misguided or hurtful things but that doesn't excuse randos from coming out of nowhere to throw these accusations around, pretending to "warn" people about somebody nobody knows while also suggesting "btw Julily and that guy…there's something going on there :P" and then dipping when people get curious. That's really disgusting behavior and really only serves to slander her. So when people continue to pop out of the woodwork every so often saying "Julily defends an abuser" but it's not something anyone else is talking about or knows about, I think it's pretty clear it's coming from the same small group of people. And it's not shifting blame. In the first place people shouldn't be using a baseless accusation to hate on someone no matter what you think of the person.
>>165662I think "harassing" is overstating things. She uses strong language unnecessarily but I wouldn't say she harasses people.
No. 165803
>>165726Julily can be a bad person herself while also being involved with people others perceive as bad, or is being treated badly by herself.
Whether or not she’s being abused, she is a shit person and shows it time and time again. Whether or not people are spreading rumors about someone she’s involved with doesn’t change that she’s still a bully herself. Lots of people see her bad behavior and you’re kidding yourself if your junk just a few people noticed.
If she is being abused, we can hope that she gets out while still being aware that she is a miserable person who thinks she’s better than everyone else. In fact, that might only aid to her not wanting to get help or admitting a problem if there is one.
I have been abused by a male friend before, and I would never go public with the proof because I am afraid of him or of being called a liar. My close circle knows about it, and I wouldn’t want it to go past that. I would say if you’re not met with proof that someone is an abuser, to at least be cautious of them. But we shouldn’t be using Julily or anyone being possibly abused as a joke when we’re discussing actual problems with a very
problematic person herself.
No. 166000
>>165803Who's joking? I'm being serious here. Abuse is serious and people shouldn't throw around accusations like "she excuses an abuser" and treat it like a known fact when there's no evidence of that. There are legitimate things you could point to and say "I think she's a bad person" because I'm not arguing that she doesn't get mean sometimes which can be interpreted that way. But letting people make a baseless yet serious accusation without question gives the impression that y'all accept it as fact when it's anything but. That's not warning anyone about a supposed abuser, nobody described him. They're just painting her as an even worse person than you already think she is- they're playing on your confirmation bias. If you're gonna be critical of someone, at least base it in fact, not rumor.
I knew her personally, she doesn't think she's better than everyone and she's not a bad person and she doesn't use her mental illnesses to avoid accountability. I'm very certain she has some undiagnosed issues but the diagnoses that she does have are pretty serious and explain her extreme reactions to things. It's no excuse but despite that she does try to be better and does admit mistakes which is a lot more than can be said of other
problematic or legitimately shit people.
Also, you missed my point that this group of (probably) girls were gung-ho about exposing this "known abuser" while also trying to make sure everyone associated Julily with him. It didn't sound like a situation where they were afraid of him or afraid of being called liars, and warning people about him didn't seem to be their only priority. It looked more like they were desperately trying to drag her reputation in the mud. So excuse me if I'm skeptical of the proof they never produced. It's not that I make light of abuse, it's that the rumors (which apparently are still floating around) seem rooted in a personal vendetta more than actually trying to stop abuse.
No. 166126
>>166057I literally said I'm not excusing her behavior. I'm not here to defend her behavior, I commented to address the claim that keeps popping up that she excuses an abuser or has some kind of relationship with one and people using that as an additional reason to hate on her. That's shitty. Don't do that. To anyone. Don't criticize someone based on hearsay and rumors. Beyond that, to those saying she's a terrible person, all I'm saying is she's not but I totally understand why people would think that. How does that make her look worse? I'm being realistic.
As others have said in the past, there's only so much you can do for someone. At a certain point they have to be willing to seek help themselves. I have tried. People irl and online have tried to get her help but as a wise man once said, "I can only show you the door, you're the one that has to walk through it." She may not seek the help we think she needs (not because she thinks she's better than anyone btw) but she has worked to improve herself using other methods and is willing to acknowledge her past mistakes and has previously done so which definitively makes her not a bad person. She IS trying and has made progress. Given that, if you actually sat down and talked to her, you probably wouldn't think she was a bad person either, just misguided at times. But you probably don't care to talk to her (and I don't expect anyone to) so maybe don't keep making negative assumptions when someone's telling you she's legit trying to be better. Self-improvement is a long, laborious process.
>>156768imo everyone involved brought different problems to the table that ultimately doomed the groups, not just her and not just her members. Again, let's not make negative assumptions just because you may not like her specifically.
No. 166199
>>166192Is this the same person from her “twin flame” story? I remember when all of that was going on she was very back and forth on the person in that being basically
toxic with their interactions with each other. It was very confusing and uncomfortable
No. 166840
>>166819Did she say anything wrong though? She clearly still cares about the community and wants it to be better and you can't fault anyone for that.
Also, you guys complain about the same stuff she talks about but don't do anything about it, and then complain when she talks about it. It's like you want the community to keep sucking just so you can keep complaining about it in the shadows lol
No. 166883
>>166840The point is, it may be therapeutic to talk about, and yeah she may have made
valid points, but if you’re done with something… be DONE with it. We don’t need to hear the same points rehashed for the 12th time.
she should just make a new collective like she want and start over.
No. 166912
>>166853Go to the part about not letting abusers in the community. She starts complaining about Kazu and does link Alex allowing abusers in the community to her. It seemed like Julily took part as a personal attack, as well as the gatekeeping topic.
Did Alex give her permission to use her video as a topic? There was a lot of backlash last time Julily took videos of people in the community to critique without asking.
No. 166920
>>166912Sounds like you're reading into things that aren't there. She doesn't specifically say Alex is the one letting abusers into the community or lay blame on Alex. She's saying it's the general mindset of trying to include everyone and appease everyone and not challenge abusers that allows them to come in and steamroll whatever goals the community tries to set. It's not a personal attack. It's an observation of what has already happened and what she thinks is the best way to address it, which is to do some gatekeeping. Because you all talk about it too, cosplayers and
toxic personalities sabotaged OIC. If original idols want a safe space to network and collaborate, it requires some gatekeeping to keep their niche of the idol community safe from that kind of sabotage.
Also, nobody needs to give permission for you to do a video response. She got backlash last time for making really harsh almost ridiculing remarks about people. Saying they didn't ask for it is kind of a cop-out excuse to hate on Julily. It doesn't matter if they asked for it or not. The problem was she was kind of rude about it which is not constructive. But this time wasn't criticism, this was a collected response/reaction. It's fair game and Alex invited the conversation anyway. It doesn't come off like an attack unless you're looking for it. It came off more like a thoughtful response using the history of the community to support her points.
I swear, some of you love to find any reason to hate Julily
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One of, if not the only photo of, Ryo/Makina. Extremely doubt the members of the server “made this up” because of beef with Julily, considering only 1 member had known of her at the beginning of his gross behavior. Believe it or not, I’ve seen the screenshots first hand. Stay safe out there. Hopefully everything that was saved will become public soon.
No. 167656
Damn. Looks like Kuro actually made a video about angelic convention online….
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSjzrnVnxPP/?utm_medium=copy_linkThoughts? She seems hyper or something so it’s a little confusing, but with the screenshots she gave, I don’t think ACO will wiggle out of this one unless they pretend to ignore it.
No. 167726
>>167698Based on the jump cuts, that’s where I got the hyper bit.
She seems very frustrated though, you’re right. Think ACO will say anything?
No. 167736
>>167686Lies to girls saying that he's 'ryo from supercell' and a professional producer and sound designer for these top shows on tv. Meanwhile he hasn't made anything new in years and if you try to work with him it's an absolute nightmare of back and forths of suddenly "he's depressed and isn't motivated to make music anymore." Or a hundred other excuses. Says he wants to help you but oh…only if you get on calls with him and do things HIS way. He constantly talks big about himself and has a massive ego and makes wild claims to make himself seem big when in reality he's a no good, pathetic nobody. He has flirted with and messed with a NUMBER of girls in this community all while being in a relationship with someone for over 11 years and has cheated on her CONTINUOUSLY and mentally manipulated and abused her. (Update, she finally left him recently. Good on her.) Blames all his
victims for speaking out about his manipulative behavior and lies as people who came onto him first and "everyone betrays him" and he can't "trust" anyone when in reality he's trying to cover up his OWN BULLSHIT and make himself look better. He ALSO said he would make me a song if I had sex with him. Cause then THAT would motivate him. Even though I was in a relationship and HE KNEW IT. I have no idea how many girls he has fucked with and lied about. I don't know him and julily's full story but I know he mentally fucked with her too.
I thought I had an honest friend who was misunderstood. I spent so much time with him, gave him the benefit of the doubt. But then he just would not provide anything back I had given to him on projects and I got sick of being led on and feeling as if I was never good enough and he took my desperation for making music with a producer and just tried and suck on the friendship we had and keep me hanging and so I stopped talking to him.
And then he got scared, knowing julily was threatening to come out with more accusations on him. Trying to tell me she's crazy and not to listen. And I didn't give a shit at that point until his girlfriend reached out to me. Ryo confirmed all the shit he said and admitted to those lies and betrayals being true. He loves to talk over calls. (Probably because that way there's no readable evidence). He and my partner were friends and so he called HIM in a panic when I wouldn't answer. And then he hasn't spoken to me or him since. Further admitting he can't talk or reason himself out of anything. He's a fucked up, pathetic loser and liar. Not even his own damn girlfriend knew what was lies or truth except for that he was cheating on her and flirting with girls in the idol community ALL THE TIME.
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>>167843This is parts of the conversation with me and his gf. She didn't want to be exposed or dragged into anything so I'm blocking her name and picture out of respect. Unfortunately many of the things I claim were either experienced in person or like in call cause that's the main method he wants to communicate. You'll just have to take my word and everyone else's.
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And then here's some dm'd with him. Me finally getting fed up with the constant cycle of bullshit and him trying to turn it around like he's the victim here. This is all I can offer you to show you the truth in my experiences.
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No. 168032
>>167736>>167861I can confirm. I was acquainted with this Ryo guy a while back. He does have some music talent but he's a huge flake, manipulator, liar, always portraying himself as a
victim, always seeking validation, and surrounds himself with people who stroke his ego, everything you've already said is exactly what I've seen from him. He might be a bit autistic or something but it's no excuse, he's been informed of his
problematic behavior over and over and he pretends to want to change but then acts the
victim when he predictably doesn't and winds up hurting people. Definitely an insecure depressed guy who overcompensates way too hard but also flirts a lot with girls that are teens or look like teens which only gets creepier the older he gets. Probably almost 30 now. He uses whatever musical talent he has to impress girls, tries to get them hot for him, and when they eventually wise up or reject him, he turns on them and talks shit about them to his next unsuspecting
victim. And sadly for his now ex girlfriend, he talked shit about her behind her back too while he was still dating her, I suppose to make his targets feel sorry for him. I can imagine he's a major reason why Julily had whatever mental breakdown she went through when she had this guy gaslighting her on top of dealing with her preexisting issues. I'd probably also question reality at that point. I'm sorry you had to suffer him too Mocha.
No. 168106
>>167843This seems like a lot more than “drama”
I’m sure you’ll say your motives in sharing all this is to “protect people” or “get the word out” but you’ve just shared a private DMs of a potential
victims situation with a potential abuser without consent. She even told you she didn’t want to be involved.
If this person is an abuser you’re taking a
victims story and plastering it on public forums for your own benefit, whatever those benefits may be, without consideration for the people directly hurt in the relationship.
On top of that you may have blurred out names but if this potential abuser is so well known then people can find the girl who is/was his girlfriend and cause her unwanted grief and harassment over this.
You’ve violated her trust and privacy.
This person was clearly confiding in someone else whilst feeling severe pain over their situation and you ( and/or whoever gave you those DM screenshots ) are showing no care or consideration for her.
That’s pretty fucked up to me.
I hope this thread goes back to topics like shitty con venues and controversy over Japanese name appropriation. Not people’s legit personal shit / taking away the voices of potential
victims who may not be ready to discuss publicly what they have gone through.
I hope you feel ashamed for sharing those DMs and learn more consideration for others.
I also hope the people directly involved are able to get the help they need to heal.
Warn people sure, but get permission before sharing DMs with a potential
victim.
No. 170938
>>170382You can talk about inclusion all you want but what matters is the execution. Julily made OIC specifically for people seriously trying to be idols and used the term "overseas idol" to refer to them and help them find each other. If your definition of inclusion means allowing people into your community that don't fall under that definition who then redefine the term to mean next to nothing and attack you for trying to bring things back on track, then that form of "inclusion" does excuse
toxic people to hijack your community.
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Dude fuck the cgl jannies, why do they delete shit every fucking time someone comes in with something semi-important involving abusive idols???
And ban evasion? When? I wasn’t banned to begin with…..
Anyways, fuck cgl jannies and fuck Tambo, good riddance to toxic idols.
No. 173698
>>173640Fuck Kazu period.
Honestly, fuck poppy too for acting like she’s a
victim.
Being complicit in your friends’ bullshit and not clocking them on it doesn’t mean she gets to act like she’s been bullied. She was called out, and rightfully so.
No. 191929
>>171553I'll admit that as a group they're a little sus. There's a clear difference between when they like someone who's leaving the group (Molly, who left so she could stay in Japan full time, Makenna, who left because she was getting married and moving away, etc.) and those who… may have actually been kicked out of the group (Parker, Amar, Maya). To be fair, though, those three could each have their own lolcow page from the stuff I've heard. Not going to elaborate further as I have no sources, and it's probably all garbled like a game of telephone anyhow. Also as a group they seem to feel like they're better than everyone else, don't respond to invitations from other area groups for things like collabs/events until the last minute, and so on.
Moreover, before Naka'20 got cancelled due to COVID, there was an Idol Festival in the works run by another group in the area, arguably the second most prominent after Shiny. This group had been practicing to perform Tokimeki Runners and it was performance-ready, but Naka was cancelled at the very last moment thanks to COVID.
So, there's an unspoken rule that if you're in the same sort of area, you should try not to perform the same songs, use the same sets, and etc. for at least a couple years out of respect for the other group. Especially when it's a smaller area like Kansas City that doesn't have much in the way of idol groups, it's not that hard to avoid repeats. But for Naka'21, the first con in the area since everything got shut down, guess what song they did. Tokimeki Runners. Basically demanded that they'd do it or they wouldn't take part at all, said the other group had no claim to it. Other group had to change plans. Considering they were the ones who were really busy organizing the whole festival, it was pretty unfair to them to say the least. Like give them a break, they've been hauling ass just with organizing the event, that doesn't even factor in all the stuff for their own performance and their personal lives.
I also heard that Shiny Dreamers tried to make a deal with some area cons to be their "official" LoveLive cosplay group, and that they'd only agree to perform there if they were the only LoveLive group allowed to perform there. This information was from someone who is part of the con staff for multiple conventions in the area and verified by multiple other staff members, so I'd say it's legit. And can I just say…YIKES. They have some seriously inflated self-importance as a group. Look, I love them to bits, but who the hell do you think you are?
I know quite a few Shiny members personally, including Savii, who I think is actually one of the nicest ones, and they're all very cool people, but as a group they're vicious as all hell. I think that's the general consensus, actually. They're all nice people but when it comes to idol group stuff they want to dominate the area and essentially be the only LoveLive group, going so far as to try and sabotage other groups. It's kind of ridiculous. The performances are supposed to be for fun. You're all just a bunch of adults playing dress-up. Get over yourselves, please.
By the way, I am not affiliated with either group mentioned in this post in any way. I
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@idolizedne is chimping out in the @animenyc comment section this morning because they can’t afford to go to the convention anymore and didn’t get tagged for their ~*genderspeshul*~ documentary.
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Jezebelligerent used to be in cloudnine and now she’s part of a new group called Kaleidoscope Idol Collective. I believe she left cloudnine on bad terms because she’s not following a lot of the members and they’re no longer following her. I wonder what the tea is.
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does anyone have any milk on any of the wny idol community? for example, @kiyokamis, member of otonokistars. otonoki has been very toxic in the past and im wondering if anyone has any milk centered around the wny/uny net idol community
No. 285719
Curious if anyone has seen anything about StarPass Idols
https://youtu.be/2vmR5OR0Hn0Their Otakon performance was… questionable. We saw them live and had to leave. Went to look at their socials and they entirely erased the existence of the green girl.
No. 294506
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I love how quickly this turned upside down. I will keep you guys updated on if anything else happens. :)
No. 295859
>>295809Unfortunately, I have no idea what account she’s using now.
I think the pink one’s name was Adora? She’s a total cunt to people she can’t get something out of.
No. 304910
>>303105>where did you hear of her being a cuntin her behavior lol
it happened again at otakon this year. a member broke down on stage and nobody did anything to help. nice group shes running lol
No. 306445
>>306373NAYRT. This was something that spread quickly around the Florida comm from Nikki herself and her partners after she left Reso. They put on a good face for social media but the reality is that it wasn't an amicable split.
>>306390I'd believe it if Reso disbanded because Nikki told people her side of the story. Mimi has a track record of being a "mean girl" and using group members since Stellure.
No. 306836
>>306793who were the
victims, exactly?
No. 306840
>>306836Does it matter? It looks like the people she sexually harassed or assaulted want to stay private if they didn’t come out about it publicly and had a 3rd party help report it.
Decebal has a history of harassing people when they do something she doesn’t like. Remember when Decebal harassed Nyaru on Twitter for having opinions she didn’t agree with and made a Twitter callout post about a child?
No. 306841
>>306839I heard that NWIF was notified of the incident but they didn’t go through with ban. Decebal is still allowed to attend the event in October and has been posting about looking forward to it. Tom seems to still work for NWIF.
Personally, I find this allegation of sexual harassment credible because Tekko went so far as to fire Decebal off of staff. Cons have banned people for less.
No. 306866
>>306836We don't need to know this information. We don't know if the
victims are comfortable with being outed. Going through sexual harassment by Dec is enough. To make it come to light can be embarrassing and have them relive the trauma again.
No. 306883
>>306873>>306874Anon, just because Decebal apologized and one person she sexually harassed resolved it doesn't mean that she still shouldn't face consequences. If
>>306802 is true, then that means that this is repeat behavior when she works at conventions. Decebal cannot idol-community-is-so-
toxic-:( her way out of this one for sympathy.
Who reported Decebal to staff should've stayed unknown to her for privacy reasons. Tom broke a basic HR rule for his partner. Decebal still messaged someone she shouldn't have contacted in the first place. Both of these people shouldn't be working at conventions or be in the idol community because of they safety risk they pose.
>>306877NAYRT I didn't know about that, I was thinking of the child who ran an online showcase that they made a call-out post for and then deleted a week later. Details?
No. 306886
>>306882If you're going to accuse me of being someone I'm not,
nonnie, at least speak English correctly.
No. 306893
>>306839NWIF doesn't care.
They have been made aware of the
several creeps that attend their convention, and they instead choose to ignore it. They don't ban these creeps because most of them are sponsors of the event.
Their entire convention is shit anyways. They charge attendees $80+ just to gain access to about 3 rooms in a hotel lobby.
The only thing they have going for them is their "Northern Lights Festival", where the original idols do all the heavy lifting.
Their other "programming" is pathetic. Their masquerade/cosplay contest had more judges than contestants. There were literally only two competitors in the entire costume construction category. The entire thing was just depressing to watch.
They heavily rely on cosidols for clout/marketing, but didn't allow any of them to be on the main stage.
The entire convention is a clownfest, really. Ran by complete fools.
No. 306895
>>306893>heavily rely on cosidols for clout and marketingDon’t you mean original idols for NWIF? They relied on cosidols for their other event SCIF.
Regardless, this year they pushed performing in panels to idols that got rejected from Northern Lights and hid the fact that they’d still have to buy a badge in order to attend the convention until panel results went out. The community should put NWIF under more scrutiny.
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>the liars
decebal there were witnesses kek
No. 306978
>>306975Damn. If it’s any consolation, all of the other staff seem to be actual long-time wota.
>>306969So they’re taking the “my
victims are lying” route. Truly spoken like a sex pest lmao.
No. 307025
>>307023>”a combination of both online and IRL things”Don’t they mean credible sexual misconduct allegations and getting caught name dropping one of their
victims to get the heat off of them? It makes me sick seeing people comfort them in the replies.
No. 307305
>>307205I heard she was bothering Decebal’s
victims for specifics and being disrespectful. That’s why its SO important to keep them anonymous in the first place so freaks like her don’t start hounding innocent people.
Given her one sided war with IIN and the named
victim being a mod, I bet she’s reveling that they got hurt.
>>307284I wonder if Decebal was banned. Good job NWIF they did.
No. 307377
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Decebal is now going under the name Bee and has joined the Youtaite community. She thinks she’s slick by changing her name and branding, but still lists her previous covers under Decebal in her portfolio site.
https://beeyoutaiteportfolio.carrd.co/https://beeyoutaite.carrd.co/ No. 307546
Another document from another beginner mixer that worked with Decebal has come out. In this one, they talk about experiencing mistreatment from Decebal, witnessing her harassing people online, and alleges Decebal has had inappropriate touch with idols IRL at events. They also allege that they have more evidence from other people that they are waiting on consent from. This is the second person who has cited Decebal as the reason they are no longer apart of the overseas idol community.
Please bear in mind that this mixer is likely a minor or was a minor at the time of the experiences in this document as based on their presence on social media and in discord servers.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DIyTw8kgKTlCJba5PfnoAtfg-duFFdDMrMG3cq4Y5-I/edit No. 307569
>>307558Anon from
>>307546Oops, I’m sorry. Do you have more details about Decebal being inappropriate around minors?
No. 307655
>>307176her discord bio is only DNI if you support
insert servers here LMAO literally no other information…
No. 308502
>>308479>>308461i have to agree with
>>308476 that this is probably decebal again trying to change the topic
No. 308989
>>308978Other than her trying to be a drag queen/hazbin hotel demon/gyaru/idol not really
But she is damn annoying. She keeps talking about wanting to gain a following, but isn’t doing anything about it except crying about having to do any work to gain any numbers at all. Sad because her vocals aren’t half bad.
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decebal is not beating the latching onto minors allegations lmao
No. 309490
>>309485NWIF didn’t take the
victim’s stories seriously when they were coming out and decided not to ban her because “she didn’t do anything at the convention”… Even though she sexually harassed one of the performers and intended to come see them to talk to them at their event.
No. 309571
>>308978Newest I’ve seen is recently on the IIN server, she had a meltdown because she offered people to teach them about hazbin hotel/vivziepop media and everyone said no.
She threatened to leave ther server because of it, lmfao
No. 309719
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This well known creep is about to join the idol community. Good luck.
No. 315610
>>309719OMG NO NO
Fuck her with everything in me. She ruined the BGAK community, she's a known drama whore, a creep that just won't stop…. Fucking hell, I hope she fails omg
No. 316758
Does anybody know exactly why Dietshampoo isnt with Darling anymore? Or what happened with her and the old crew like Kylekagamine and Erikarnaya?
>>306390any source of darling beind dead?
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any tea about dfw48? seems they rebranded but also theres been talk of a "fake" thats posting covers? i know one of the members of the new one is shady so… wouldnt be suprised if they stole the concept.
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Sakura hana is still active and attempting to continue her idol endeavors. She hasn't changed much at all, She still trauma dumps on people. Multiple people have come to her urging to stay away from the newly problematic people she's interacting with, one of which was accused of pedophilia a while ago. but of course as always, sakura doesn't listen to others. She still hasn't improved with her dancing at all and has actually gotten worse vs her first performance as nico in my opinion. When you tell her kind criticism she still pulls the your bullying me card as well. She also still has an account she vents on too but it's private. She is all around just making things worse for her and I don't see any hope for her anymore. She may have had a potential chance to be better in the beginning if she didn't become such a terrible person. Oh well, lost potential in my opinion.
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guess we were right about them stealing the concept …
No. 324938
I agree with the above post.
I've heard from a few sources that this 8_indidols group we've seen pop up has some shady practices. My side of things has been unshared until this point tho.
I followed them from the beginning and contacted sunny privately for a friendship as we had alot in common. They became someone I considered extreme close. But i basically saw them get ripped out of their position only for the group to become a shit show.
Sunny shared plans with me behind the scenes of how they were intending on running said group and always expressed that they didn't trust a handful of the more controlling members that they brought in.
Sunny is an adult. This group was overtaken by minors. There's only two adults left. But you wouldn't be able to decipher their ages due to lack of maturity.
Sunny was working behind the scenes with an actual local non-profit for pretty much the entirety of their time in said group. Sunny intended to run a proper non-profit organization that actually donated 100% of their raised funds to legitimate disability advocacy charities. I sat up on the phone with sunny and the founder of this other non profit for hours most nights helping them retain and gather the resources needed to execute this. Alongside helping them research charities.
I want to debunk one thing in that callout post right now by simply saying that Sunny was not a drug user. These people are making it seem like sunny was into hard drugs when in reality sunny was a medical cannabis user. In a place where it is legal and they are of age.
Instead of giving sunny the time to feel comfortable to come forward with their planning, the members of this group didn't see sunnys actual attempts at running this group as anything "valuable to their cause" simply because they never shared anything openly with the group.
I understand "group" projects are meant to be a team effort. But sunny also claims they had the structure they did becuase they were intending on handling all the technical charity stuff and speaking at events ect while the other members had domain over posting whatever they wanted as long as it fit the groups end goal. Their intention was never to seem better. Yet it's been twisted to be as such.
They claimed they did this because they feared that those who had no idea how to run a real Charity would pull things off the reigns.
A few days later they turned out to be right and had the password forced out of them while attempting to go on a DNI. Under the claim that this person would "deal with things while they were gone"
It was at this point the groups members went from 8 to 5
They never had a full 9 members for more than a day or two.
It was at this point sunny was accused of name dropping a minor, whose name was openly available on their profile during the time of the "founding team" post. Not to mention their name being within their username as well.
Upon this groups next choice to anonymously dm sunny through their own account which they no longer had acess to the next morning after comming back from not even half of what their DNI break time stated. They had been kicked from the group and was left with an anonymous message.
I'd like to note that this person claims they shared the password in their gc but that never happened, I had someone go and look after this using the search feature. This same person also no longer had access to the account after getting in via sunnys permission earlier on.
Two members followed sunny when they were kicked.
One betrayed sunny and messaged them claiming they were forcing them to go.
Sunny at this point went MIA and didn't reappear to any of their immediate contacts. Instead vauge posting within INN under their systems Co hosts name.
It's alleged that a few days after this, another member of this group that had been hurt by other sources before. Was given the same type of anonymous message
(which we all know are curated before the one who claimed they were name dropped. Better not say their name here or I'll get accused of the same despite being anon)
This message was full of vauge claims regarding their reasons for kicking her, also claiming they didn't get enough information of why she wasn't active. The same reason they claimed for sunny. But this time they were given a valid reason of this member was moving. They also claimed that they were kicking her under the potential of sunny stalking her.
This member also didn't condone any of the posts about sunny but they claimed she did. Notice how she didn't write a statement.
The only members remaining in this group after this all ensued are the ones who participated in this callout.
Leaving them with a count of 4. Which is why they're taking apps atm.
We also don't have proof of any of this groups neurodiversities, actually.
Whereas members like sunny were able to provide me proof of their diagnoses from 2013 - 2017 and that they're still being actively treated to this day.
So, who's to say that after sunny stopped talking to everyone (myself included) that these kids weren't continuing to stalk and falsify claims?
Looking at their Instagram story listing sunnys supposed accounts they claim they have an account under the name
Miras cosplay
I can confirm they don't own this account as I was someone they literally shared screeshots of their account center to.
These kids have acted irrationally, have taken what was supposed to be a postive space for neurodiverse advocacy, and turned it into a stage for drama with little evidence
ALONG SIDE putting innocent cosplayers at risk.
Part of me is glad sunny knew what would happen beforehand and hopes that they'll continue to rebuild a new platform that actually endorses their true intentions.
That group has become a joke and let's hope it stays that way. It seems these kids are only in this for the potential "fame" that comes with being the first on a project like this. That's not how true advocacy is meant to work. You do the work becuase you care, not for any sort of return.
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get a load of this take. leader of fallen stars idols having an absolute meltdown on main bc their group full of fatties keeps (unsurprisingly) getting rejected from idol fests lol muh emotions
No. 325149
>>321341The TL;DR I heard was Pan left Signals because it allegedly was a shitty working environment for them and Signals expected them to put up and shut up.
>>321390That’s news to me after seeing them all at NWIF. Ash and Alexis openly talked shit about Pan while representing IIN LMAO.
>>325081They’ll never get into anything now LMAO.
No. 325158
>>325157iirc alexis disproved that with that highlight she had when her cosplay group tried to come at her and “cancel” her for credit on her og. i also have seen more reports on the actual
problematic people in that said cosplay group being insane too. if you just don’t like alexis, say that and move on. stop bringing up old milk.
No. 325198
>>325149The group were very obviously not on good terms at NWIF. Pan’s side of the story that it became a bad environment that hurt them and that the other members are no longer in their life has stayed consistent, even before their grad post went out.
Meanwhile, Signals’s side has bounced around from them still being besties, to making an official statement implying Pan was a dangerous mentally ill person on twt after someone likely ratted Pan out, to rolling that back when they got backlash and saying they’re still friends in private, then some of the members subtweeting them constantly, feeling entitled to still be able to reach them, and threatening to sue them.
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>>325295>Public statementsRemember when Ash subtweeted in public when the drama broke and talked about wanting to sue their group’s former member and then panic closed their account after this was exposed?
No. 325309
>>325295ayrt
>>325157i don’t even care about pan. i’m tired of ash’s shitty behavior going unchecked.
No. 325315
>>325308AYRT
Cherrypicking strikes again. This could be about so many things, people need legal advice for different things. Maybe it was ill-timed but this tells me jack shit. It certainly doesn’t say they’re going to SUE. If it is true, who would sue someone over friend group drama? Maybe they closed their account when randos (or maybe someone they know) posted their personal/private account on the threads, not because they were “caught ”. This is all just too vague. I don’t care about either side but this insistence on bringing it up is just annoying atp. If you want to know what happened so badly, just grow a pair and ask the sources directly. There is always more than one side to a story.
No. 325366
>>325339NAYRT The person who would have to make a callout post for this would have to be Pan but it seems like they didn’t even want this information to be public in the first place, if the demands for the privacy of all involved in their statement are to be taken at face value.
If someone didn’t share Pan’s close friends story to Signals, then the statements on Twitter wouldn’t have existed and the details on 4chan wouldn’t have been dragged out into the open by the remaining members.
This community’s commitment to seek out drama and stir the pot never ceases to disappoint me. What would a callout post achieve that
>>325317 telling staff wouldn’t?
No. 325384
>>325366AYRT
I looked into it more from what’s publicly available. How are we so convinced that Signals was the one who brought it to cgl. People might have reached out to the members after the first statement hit and then went to cgl to share findings. According to their statement, they also clearly didn’t want to bring anything publicly. Pan’s statement was posted first and it was about Signals blocking them. Ya know who knows about a block? You and the person blocking you topkek. So why did Pan make it a public spectacle but also want people to “respect everyone’s privacy”? And if someone sent Pan’s close friends story to Signals, it may mean that whoever saw the story thought Signals should know about it. According to Signals’s statement, they were caught unaware by the close friends stories and it just seems all around like a big, unfortunate friend group falling out. Not bullying or anything drastic. But, again, I’m just an observer. As a psych major, I wish I could do a whole study on this community kek.
No. 325705
>>325670Interesting. From all the screenshots I saw, this was not the reason for Pan leaving/being kicked the group. Alexis held Pan in the highest respects, referring to them as one of her best friends when we spoke. Then, Pan overworked Alexis at NWIF to the point where she was glued to her laptop from a week before the con to a day before their performance from when she woke up to the next early morning consecutively prepping everything. She was in charge of the promotional graphics, live mix, coordination, dance mirrors, lyric splits, and picking up anything Pan left because she wanted to help take that burden off of them. Pan overloaded their plate and didn’t realize until 4 weeks to the convention. Ash and Aibi had to learn a subunit duet 2 weeks to the convention because of them accomodating to Pan and trying to take off weight off of Pan’s shoulders. Then during the convention, Alexis found out that Pan was talking shit about her financial situation in a hotel room with Ash and Ash’s friends. (People who don’t need to know about her financial situation). Alexis even let Pan stay at her apartment during Anime Boston and they said Alexis “didn’t pay for enough things”. Imagine complaining about that when someone gave you free housing for a weekend. And this is just a TLDR and not even the whole situation.
All I had to do was message Alexis about it and she sent me everything topkek. Which is more than some of you anons are doing.
No. 325861
>>325705Can you all post screenshots for once? Honestly, this story doesn’t make Alexis or the other members look much better.
Alexis’s story conveniently missing the publicly available info that Pan had a health issue and went to the hospital 2 weeks before NWIF. It would be shocking if the group wasn’t aware of an emergency like that meanwhile everyone else is. Where are the other 2 members when Alexis was overworking in this situation? Just sitting on their asses and watching her do it? What would Alexis even be working on her laptop for that late into an event? Promotional images and audio are almost always submitted way in advance for most idol events.
I also don’t buy Pan “shittalking” Alexis’s financial situation conveniently done in front of Ash and only Ash, another member of Signals. Didn’t Pan fund most of Alexis’s crowdfunding projects and help bankroll her to be able to perform at most of the events she appeared at in the past 2 years? Why do all that with no complaints and then complain in this one specific instance?
No. 325879
>>325861AYRT
>in a hotel room to Ash and Ash’s friendsDo you read or just act like it says whatever you want it to say? When I read the screenshots, there were more than I could possibly post on here. Maybe more than 100-200 screenshots? Either way, Aibi was dealing with some flavor of family issues as far as I read and Ash was studying for the LSATs. Not sure why we forgot but Alexis always has her screenshots in order as evidenced in her old group’s attempt to try and “cancel” her and she showed all the receipts as soon as people reached out and asked her. Not sure why she didn’t come forward this time, but I wish she had.
No. 325905
>>325879I misread the part about Ash and Ash’s friends but my point still stands: Why did this weigh on the shoulders of one member? Why is it not ok that Pan had, again public information, to pull back for a medical emergency but it’s ok if the other members had to pull back for their own personal responsibilities and emergencies? It sounds like Signals should not have gone to NWIF at all, given that most of the members had conflicts that would have prevented them from working together.
I meant screenshots of your DM exchange with Alexis. That would have been obvious since you just said you “messaged Alexis” to get the full story but
>Suddenly 100-200 screenshots exist of messages between Pan and Signals>Sudden additional insider knowledge about the whereabouts of the other members when questioned>”I don’t know why we forgot”>”we forgot”>”we”>Oops. It sounds you either are her or a member of Signals. Or maybe even all of the members. Who knows.
If there is proof and it really is as damning and extensive as you claim, make a Google Drive file and post it. The case with Alexis’s old group trying to “cancel” her was a very clear case of false accusations. She was being accused of plagiarism in public by them. She had concrete proof she didn’t plagiarize Starting Line. Simple as that. This time the allegations seem to be that Pan was hurt and that the group environment was bad for them. That’s way harder to refute.
Alexis should go public with all of this if she’s feels her and the rest group were completely justified in this situation instead of sending screenshots to any random person who slips into her DMs who asks. She is already essentially going public by doing this. Why not go all the way? Is there consent from the other remaining members for it to be spread like this?
From a professional standpoint, Signals is a disaster. If this is Alexis, congratulations! You and your group has officially, allegedly, dragged all your drama on both anon boards for the world to see to take down your former member. If this isn’t Alexis, Signals has their leader leaking hundreds of screenshots from what I can assume to be a private chat to literally anyone that asks. Either way, it’s a bad look. It’s completely unprofessional.
Pan was unprofessional with their Twitter statement and making the mistake of either allegedly leaving group members or someone that would tattle on them on their Close Friends story. That was almost 3 months ago. There’s no more public statements from Pan about this that I can find. Signals is still dragging this out to this day is actually embarrassing and so much worse.
No. 325919
>>325705>people who don’t need to know about alexis’s financial situationexcept that alexis is open about her financial situation? she made it a point on each of her streams while promoting her ep crowdfund. it’s no secret that she’s living paycheck to paycheck and that she struggles to pay rent. she’s said she can’t afford to do idol activities on her own.
frankly, if she’s struggling to pay her bills and can’t afford to go to cons, then she shouldn’t rely on other people’s money.
>>325915ntayrt in this anon’s defense, they’re poking holes in alexis’s claims that she has now brought semi-public. the fake statements from pot stirrers don’t help. honestly, i have the same questions as the anon you replied to.
being skeptical of signals =/= pan is innocent
No. 325923
>>325915There’s nothing here “supporting” Pan’s perspective, whatever that is outside of a vague notion of having a bad experience so they left. Just questions about Alexis’s perspective.
>Why did Alexis leave out Pan’s medical emergency in her story or describe it as “putting too much on their plate”?>Why was it fine for the other 2 members to not contribute due to school/LSATs and a family emergency but not ok for Pan to do the same to take care of a medical emergency?>Why is it specifically solely Pan’s fault when it seems that there was general dysfunction within the group?>Why wasn’t the audio submitted in advance when most events require you to send it bare minimum 3 days to a week in advance?>What did Alexis expect from hurting herself overworking when she could have easily chosen not to?It’s suspicious as hell that you feel comfortable enough to talk about this on lolcow in detail but not comfortable enough to actually share what Alexis sent you.
No. 325926
>>325919>>325923I’m only comfortable enough to share details because I want her to stand up for herself for once and not let people walk over her as she always does. She doesn’t even know I’m doing this, and I know she’ll probably be upset if she did but I’m willing to take that risk if it means her side and the group’s can come to light. The only problem is that I would need to come up with a way to get the screenshots again. Obviously I don’t want to be “source: trust me bro” but if that’s what I have to be for now, then that’s fine. I also am not stupid enough to link the photos to a google drive and identify myself.
>Leaving a medical emergency outRight, because everyone should need to know about someone’s medical emergency. Let’s just throw out HIPAA laws out while we’re at it. But if we’re going to talk about this, Signals didn’t know about the severity of that medical emergency until 4 months later. Are you really mad that Alexis isn’t exposing a former friend’s medical information or would you like her more if she did?
>other members vs pans contributionsThe very first screenshots I saw were each member’s contributions for the convention. Ash and Aibi both contributed during this, like I said before they quite literally learned a new dance 2 weeks to the convention and Pan would simply drop tasks left and right and Alexis would pick up most of them because as far as I read Ash and Aibi were also dealing with school and work but they STILL did more than Pan.
>solely Pan’s faultNobody’s saying it was just their fault, but saying it was just Signals’ fault that it worked terribly for everyone even though just one person left, while also having the boards continuing to bring it up and say “all of Signals are bullies” or “They bullied Pan out of the group” which is what made this come back MONTHS later is also just as idiotic of a claim.
>Alexis overworking herselfSo you would have chosen to throw months and weeks of hard work by cancelling the performance a week before the convention? Alexis probably would have done it regardless as if they would have dropped, would they not have had a harder time applying again? Their reliability would have been questioned. Alexis is allowed to complain even though she unfortunately signed herself up for it.
>Comfortable sharing detailsAgain, I’d GLADLY share the screenshots because like I said I have nothing to lose and I don’t care. Like I said before there are more than 200+ photos, it took me a couple of days to go through them myself. The screenshots are available.
No. 325943
>>325926>Signals did not know about the severity of the issue until 4 months later.There’s no way they weren’t aware, considering Pan had publicly posted about struggling with their mental and physical health during that time. Even if someone is dropping tasks left and right with no explanation and then goes to a hospital, that’s still awareness in hindsight.
>”Signals bullied Pan”At this point, nobody is saying that. Nor is anyone saying Pan didn’t fuck up either.
>”Months” of work leading up to NWIFIt’s public knowledge that panelist performers at NWIF got about 8-9 weeks notice before the event. Most people’s performances were cut to half the time they applied for. I don’t think in those circumstances it would be harder to reapply.
>>325940That typo is suspiciously prescient. Not proof, just wanted to point it out.
>”I’d GLADLY share the screenshots”Ok, do it. Share them.
No. 325946
>>325926So… Let me get this straight. Alexis has hundreds of screenshots. She sends them to anyone who asks for her side and she sent you the screenshots. So many it took you literal days to get through them and study them all, so there’s no way they were sent through any service that disappears quickly. You have all the proof in hands and came to Lolcow to give justice to Signals’s side. And now suddenly upon getting pressed about the details and asked for your proof…
>I also am not stupid enough to link the photos to a google drive and identify myself. You really can’t make a burner Google account? Can’t make a DropBox without your name on it? I thought Alexis was sending it to just anyone who asks. If she was really doing that, then I’m sure more people than just you asked her and even more now that you posted this here. Then later on in your post:
>The only problem is that I would need to come up with a way to get the screenshots again.Now they’re lost to you? But it took you days to go through them! You could even make a Google Drive file if you really wanted to!!
This sounds like you’re lying, you’re a member, an insider, or just trolling.
No. 325947
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>>325943Oops besides putting a typo, I thought I shared screenshots.
No. 325950
>>325947>>325948>>325949Wow, those certainly are screenshots of lists of things each members did. It doesn’t really prove that Pan intentionally slacked off. I’ll give you credit for delivering though.
This is missing context that the rest of the “hundreds of screenshots” would provide. Why was a list like this made? Was it sent to Pan? When was this sent and why is the sender is cut off? Is this part of a larger message?
No. 325952
>>325951iirc Pan is the reason the IIN Booth was a thing in the first place but don’t shoot the messenger. Thank you
>>325946 for the suggestion on a burner, Not sure why I didn’t think of it first. Will return when I have that.
No. 325963
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>>325962NTAYRT Seems like Pan also staffed the IIN table Friday of the event as well.
No. 325964
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>>325963The booth had no one running it during the rest of NWIF. Looks like there was an incentive to get a vanity role in the server if you visited but posting in the NWIF thread in the server that you did got you it. It seems like it didn’t actually need to be staffed if it sat unoccupied for 2 days.
Hard agree that this isn’t Signals related and shouldn’t have been included in their task breakdown. If Ash and Alexis really had a problem with staffing the booth one day out of the weekend, they should tell the head admin Ruu instead of tacking it onto their beef with Pan.
However, that behavior potentially corroborates
>>325149 and
>>325317 in that 3/4 of Signals was at the booth one of the days. It lends some credibility to the idea that they could have been openly complaining but can’t be proven for sure. Someone should also make Ruu aware that their interpersonal drama is now dragging IIN as an organization into it.
No. 325981
>>325975that’s probably something you’d have to ask pan about. it might have something to do with the fact that they got a main stage performance and a big meet and greet in the lobby afterwards at NWIF, which means they likely had way more time to prepare and/or had signed a contract. other than them, only con guests got solo stages and lobby meet and greets. there’s no public info on that compared to the panelist performers so take it with a grain of salt.
i remember that pan was pretty low-energy the same way they were with signals. it was a fun show but definitely not at full power. they probably shouldn’t have gone to the event at all.
No. 325992
>>325974I think what I’m curious about is why the sender is cut out? Are these even real screenshots? Are there any more that
>>325947 can provide? I’ll be keeping an eye out if this is true at all.
No. 325997
>>325975To be fair, Signals as a group has done basically nothing. In the past 2 years, they’ve redebuted 3 times, only put out 2 covers, and done 2 live performance as Signals. It took them a year after member announcements to even post a debut cover. All of the members are based out of different locations and are in different places in life. Alexis is struggling to make ends meet, Pan has health issues they can’t fully plan around, Ash is going to law school which will eat up his time if LSATs haven’t already, and I’m not sure what Aibi’s situation is. Assuming all members need to come to an agreement on decisions, it’s hard to have an active idol group that way consistently. Even before the rebrand into Signals, Shiawase Signal’s output was pretty slow.
I don’t think it’s solely a matter of them prioritizing their soloist activities. Pan put in the work for their soloist stuff during the downtime between Signals’s projects and their opportunities grew as a result over the course of the past year. Ash and Alexis could have also done the same for their soloist activities. Why wait around 6 months to a year and make nothing?
No. 326003
Sorry, am I reading all this right? Pan agreed to do a rush commission, Pan agreed to be on staff at NWIF, Pan agreed to do a solo performance, Pan agreed to staff the IIN booth, AND Pan agreed to perform with Signals? Now that's what I call not knowing your limits. (Even though they know they're prone to health issues) Of course they were exhausted, it wasn't because Signals "forced them" to do it. They did that to themselves and everyone is falling over themselves trying to be like "Oh, no! Poor Pan!" Please. Pan is an adult and should have known their limits if any of this is true at all. Especially if they had a medical emergency. Didn't they also have their tour in the summer? They were in go, go, go mode for months on end but we're just glossing over the fact that they did that to themselves. Now I see what 'Alexis' friend' meant when they said Pan overloaded themselves, if I'm understanding correctly.
>inb4 signals
topkek I just have common sense.
No. 326012
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>>325963Does this screenshot even prove that they staffed at the booth or that they just posted that the booth exists and people should come to it? There’s pictures of them from throughout the convention working at registration most of the convention like pic related. Pan’s also said in their NWIF video diary that they work at registration. Reg is usually a sit down role and not really taxing as far as con staff positions go.
>>326003>Pan agreed to do a rush commissionIs it even true that it was actually a rush commission?
>>325974 would need to post actual proof of that, not just pictures of a costume being posted over the course of 2 months.
>Not knowing their limitsThe same anon you’re talking about claims they had to accommodate Pan by learning new dances right before the convention, lining up with when Pan went to the hospital. I want screenshots at this point of if Pan had communicated or not.
What would have happened if Pan said they couldn’t perform? Would Signals have let them sit out a “debut live”? Would they have made physical accommodations? If Pan insisted, where is Signals saying that they aren’t well enough to go on?
I don’t think Pan is such an unreasonable person that if someone took them aside to tell them to slow down out of genuine concern, they wouldn’t be offended. Especially if Signals were such close friends before NWIF. They’re an adult, after all.
>Why did Pan tour while disabled?Did we all forget they had ovarian cancer in 2022 and went through a very public “carpe diem” phase? Pan has not been very public of what their treatment plan looks like past that outside of surgery, vague mentions of seeing doctors, and being on hormonal meds. I don’t particularly feel comfortable calling here nor there if they were correct in touring in that situation, personally.
No. 326026
>>326003>”Signals forced them to do it”literally nobody is saying they were forced to do it. we’re trying to figure out what actually happened.
all i see so far from the screenshots, if the ones from “alexis’s friend” anon are real, is very petty behavior from signals.
No. 326174
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>>325965My investigation into this matter has concluded for now. NWIF, Signals, and IIN have all replied to me. Pan has not replied to either my emails or DMs.
My first email was sent to NWIF to investigate
>>325405 . NWIF's team responded promptly with a generic message. This messages does not support or deny the claims that Signals harmed Pan at the event.
>>325405 was incorrect in claiming that NWIF would be able to tell me if a report was or was not made.
No. 326175
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>>326174My second set of emails were sent to both Signals and Pan Ranger in an attempt to gather both sides of their stories. Signals promptly responded stating that they are willing to share their side of the story. Signals claims that they will be leaving Pan out of the conversation and will be providing documentation that reflects this. I have informed Signals that anything they send me may be posted in public. I have not yet received their documents but will return if Signals provides these. If
>>325952 returns with their documentation in this thread, I would like to compare what was provided to us. To speculate, Signals may have been more open to sending more information to a friend versus what they would have sent to me as a stranger investigating.
No. 326176
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>>326175After not receiving an email response from Pan, I attempted to reach them via their Instagram. Pan saw the message but did not reply. I sent a follow-up email and did not receive a response. I am curious to know why Pan is not responding to me when all other parties I emailed have replied within 24 hours.
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>>326176The final email I sent was to the International Idol Network. I asked the following questions about the screenshots provided by
>>325947,
>>325948, and >>325949:
>1) If other staff members of IIN have been sent these messages or screenshots in the past. 2) If the International Idol Network is aware of the incident between the current and former members of Signals. 3) If you could tell me who was staffing the booth at NWIF 2023. 4) If IIN is aware that a non-staff member was allegedly staffing for the booth. 5) If IIN is aware that Ash and Alexis staffing your organization's booth on Friday of the convention is a major grievance they have with Pan Ranger.Ruu has stated that Signals and Pan have been working civilly under IIN and that booth staffing concerns were discussed internally but that she will not be able to discuss anything further. This answers the concerns by
>>325951 if this matter was brought to Ruu's attention and resolved internally and
>>325964 if IIN has been made aware.
I am curious if there are any other leads that could be contacted to further investigate this issue. I will return if I receive any new information.
No. 326211
>>326186Isn’t Alexis’s platform larger than Pan’s, though? Why doesn’t Alexis use her bigger platform to steamroll this once and for all instead of sneaking around?
Honestly, I don’t think Pan not responding is them being chicken, it’s just a professional response at this point to not feed drama hungry randos. Pan didn’t even call them abusers or bullies, they said they had “irreconcilable differences” on their statement they made on Twitter. That sounds like them and the other members of the group weren’t compatible anymore and had a massive falling out. The accusations of bullying and abuse looks like something anons made up because it’s juicy or they just don’t like Signals.
It looks really
sus that Signals is in panic mode like this instead of just moving on and making more content. If it really is just a rumor, then why not let it fizzle out in a few months? They could just as easily have given a stock reply like NWIF, said no comment like IIN, or said nothing like Pan did. The best thing they can do professionally is shut the fuck up.
No. 326219
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>>326186It’s hard to claim Pan “sent a mob” and takes pleasure in this situation. They made a statement back in March about this and it seems like they’re taking as much action as they can when they’re made aware. They can’t control other people’s actions but are taking the appropriate measures.
I really want to see where Pan encouraged people to harass or intentionally tried to harm Signals or if they even take pleasure in this at all. According to the screenshots, it seems like they have limited contact and are being civil.
No. 326223
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Yall need to stop and take a minute to genuinely look into the since deleted history of fucking INN. These people yall hold in such high regard today such as ruu were literally wishing death upon (wanting to shoot) and stating they were going to harass an autistic idol. If yall really think these are people we should be allowing to lead this community than this space is too far gone to be saved in my opinion.
By the way, if you think you know who I am simply by knowing who was attacked.
You're wrong. I know of the situation but I'm canadian lmao.
No. 326224
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No. 326225
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No. 326227
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No. 326229
>>326221ntayrt but pan follows 200+ people on twt, that’s not exactly identifying information.
>>326223these are 2 years old. old milk.
No. 326237
>>326229Old milk or not, what makes you think it should be continued to be swept under the rug?
What makes you think ruu shouldn't be held accountable?
It's people like you who defend big names like this that are the problem here.
No. 326240
>>326238I can confirm sakura was indeed underage during this as I currently know their age as we have kept in touch over the years.
>>326239 I actually don't know much about this fes but am more than willing to do so. I'll update when I do.
No. 326243
>>326223you know my focus was on Ruu….
But I've done some reading up on the signals situation and have come to my own conclusions about Alexis. I wholeheartedly believe Alexis has caused all of this hate out against pan. Here's the proof I have of her getting in on the situation regarding Sakura I do not believe for a second that Alexis is innocent in that situation especially seeing her tarnish another idol years ago. Whose to say she didn't cause all the backlash against pan?
No. 326245
>>326244I don’t think I fully buy the idea that Alexis was the cause of all the hate towards Pan. I want to see more proof if that is the case.
I do think that this and the other screenshots in this thread show a pattern of extremely unprofessional behavior when it comes to community drama on her and Signals’s part. I include Signals because as a leader, she’s the representative of her group. I don’t think she actually meant that she wanted to shoot Sakura but her posting that while other staff make jokes about harming her looks really bad.
>>326240How old is she now?
No. 326280
>>326245They have just hit their twenties.
>>326242 I've emailed but have never reply yet
No. 326287
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>>326223>>326224>>326225>>326227>>326244Wow, it got real quiet in here since these were posted. This behavior from anyone else is against the rules in IIN, by the way.
>>326245She’s 21 now. She would have either been 17 or just turned 18 at the time these jokes were made.
No. 326299
>>326223Not defending this behavior because it is messed up, but why wait 2+ years to post these? I've been in the server for at least a year and a half and I haven't seen anything like this from staff at all the whole time? It's interesting, but it definitely reeks of expired milk.
>> People y'all hold in such high regard>> Leading the communityI didn't realize discord mods were our kaigai overlords kek
No. 326326
>>326299NAYRT These screenshots have been floating around for a long time on 4chan and sent privately to other people. Nobody took it seriously because it involves someone named Sakura Hana. People thought she deserved it in some way so the staff in the screenshots never had to take accountability for that behavior. I guess until now because Alexis and her group are pot stirring and it shows a pattern of behavior.
IIN staff are not the overlords but they are in a position of power in the community. At this point, they’re not just discord mods. They’re representatives of an organization that claims to champion idols and idol culture, boasts the largest membership compared to similar online communities, produces a quarterly zine, are partnered with one of the biggest idol events in the US, and regularly has promotional booth opportunities where you can talk to these representatives ABOUT the server.
No. 326347
>>326287>17 or just turned 18>In 2021you’re telling me these full grown adults were beefing with a child this whole time? they don’t need to let her stay in the server if she’s breaking rules, but publicly dunking on and beefing with a kid is beyond pathetic.
>>326244 is really ironic.
No. 326401
>>326390Bitch needs to grow up deadass. She's feuding with two people who are just legal in the US and under 21 (me. Legal up here but not there)
She's a grown ass adult. Fighting Two autsitc individuals. I'll be honest when I say I outted myself to her already and I will be helping sakura take legal action if this continues.
NEWS FLASH:
She's using old conversations with her to cover up what she's done AFTER THAT FACT.
After these conversations where she gave sakura false hope, she goes and gets her BLACKLISTED from multiple other spaces. So much for your little "find your own place" shit ruu.
Not once did you take accountability in that document.
No. 326429
>>326390This is pretty damning stuff.
>Sakura’s ageAssuming she hasn’t had a birthday yet, that would make her 22 this year. Either way, IIN most likely accidentally hosted jailbait and that’s a big no-no. If her birthday is later in the year, she had the role at 17. If she already had a birthday by March 10 2022, she would have been 16 or 17. I see why they no longer host “gravure” (read: sex work) channels in their 18+ sections LMAO. I wonder what the legality of something like this is. She clearly posted suggestive or nude photos of herself if they are blacked out in the doc.
>The “jokes” made at her expense.Ruu making crude jokes is not ok but is understandable in this situation. The other staff members getting in on it is cringe and I’d like to see them address that. Ruu was not the loudest voice in those screenshots LMAO.
It looks like the staff has cleaned up their behavior to be more professional in the 2+ years since this incident. They got rid of the sex work channels from OIC. I haven’t seen anyone acknowledge or discuss this doc in the server since it was posted either.
No. 326439
>>32640118 years old is a legal adult in both us and Canada. 21 years old is the legal
drinking age in the us. you both are adults now. i’d ask if you’re retarded but you’ve already said you are.
>>326429ruu accidentally revealing that iin unintentionally used to host jailbait images is a twist. can confirm that there used to be a gravure discussion channel and 18+ promotion for people to shill their “gravure images and videos”. years ago, it was very common to see overseas idols not even try hiding their cam girl shit. not so common now.
No. 326538
does anyone else think it’s a little pathetic that iin staff monitors the boards? she added a comment to the doc to respond to
>>326429 and
>>326439.
>the picture posted was literally nothing along the lines people are coming up withruu, people have eyes. people know it was a bikini pic because sakura literally says its a bikini pic in the screenshot. begging people to email you to talk is lame asf.
(post caps or sage your shit) No. 326560
>>326557Honestly, at every turn in this drama, Signals has chosen to respond and it’s continued to be the most stupid option. They could have not responded to Pan’s statement and looked like the bigger person, but they did and it made them look bad. They could have chosen not to drag it onto 4chan with information only they would know, but they did. Their “friend” could have chosen not to come on here and talk a big game, but they showed up with screenshots and made Signals look petty. Signals could have not responded to the emails promising screenshots, but they did and it made them look drama hungry.
>inb4 but they’ve been called bullies and abusers, of course they want to defend themselves!!!!!!!1!It doesn’t make it much better that they want to defend themselves from claims
only made on lolcow and 4chan. Pan’s been called a liar and a reverse bully, but they don’t feel the need to respond as much as Signals does. The only reason the thread blew up as much as it did again is because of one anon claiming to be Alexis’s friend.
>inb4 Signals is a small group that was destroyed by someone with a bigger platformAlexis is one of the most well-know overseas idols and the other 2 members have platforms of roughly equal size as Pan. Get fucking real. Small idol group of nobodies this is not. Just because Ash and Aibi’s followings are from cosplay or dance covers respectively doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Even their other former member has a comparable following or larger with their Vtuber persona. The rumors don’t seem to have even affected Signals’s opportunities, if they had any to begin with. They even made it to 1000 followers on their Instagram account. Alexis still has her following. The other 2 members’ accounts are even growing. They’re all still allowed to be staff with Pan in IIN.Signals nor the individual members have been cancelled by any means LMAO.
No. 329151
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Hi all. I was told to come here to share my story with a decently known Australian idol "Pastelkitsu" also known as Skye.
Skye is an Australian idol I used to be friends with. She was always very strange and eccentric bit a good friend in the beginning. Then she let her true colours show.
She was always judging and bodyshaming other dancers or cosplayers and calling herself skinny (she is infact not skinny). She has made numerous sock puppet accounts to stalk and harass other idols (such as Amuse and MelodyParade, seiryou process and misfit idols) and any time she would get called out for her harassment she would make accounts hating on herself and blame other people. I remember she would stalk another idol frequently and made fake accounts to keep tabs on him (I think his instagram is phantasmanic but I can check if needed) she also stole stuff of his and would brag about it in our dance rehearsals (I think they lived near eachother or studied together) I vividly remember her wearing a checkered shirt and would not stop talking about how it smelled like him and how yandere she is. It was disgusting. She would also blame her "yandere behaviour" on her fake DID alters, there was Yohane (yes from LLSS) Luna and Shelby, who was a yandere girl. She would also carry a Nazi ring around everywhere and when she got called out for it she would say its the only thing she had left of her German heritage. Another one of my friends who left our old idol group let her stay with them since she said her parents are abusive and won't let her come home (which was a lie) and she would leave her used period products spread about the house and when my friend would ask her to clean up she would say she was having a mental breakdown and refuse to clean. She would also steal my friends LL cosplays which were always too small and she would tear them trying to fit into them and also not wash them before returning them. I have alot more stories to share but I just wanted to vent my frustrations at her since I can't say anything publicly without being bashed by her sock puppet accounts. She also went on 4chan (the ausidol one) and spread a bunch of stuff on there and would get her friends to go on with her and reply to eachother. It got out recently that she was doing that and she has shut down yet again. Adding a screenshot from 4chan since she's gone private at the moment. Sorry for it being long :'l(post proof)
No. 330329
>>328646I’m so sick of their vindictive behavior. They got caught posting on 4chan again this past week. When will it end.
>>329595>>329829>when TIF selects acts that aren’t METhere doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with the acts they picked so far.
No. 332157
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Saw this on cgl. Deets? Is IIN staff that bad?
No. 332160
>>332157This is barely milk worthy.
1. A group disbanding based off of people talking behind each other's back isn't much of my concern. Unless people were physically harmed or truly mentally abused, it sounds like a friendship falling out which happens all the time. It's not great, but that's life. We all know there's three sides to the story: one side, the other side and the truth. It seems like the drama with this group can have people going back and forth on who is right for days. Because there is no concrete answer of who is the villian, why does it matter? It seemed like private business that spilled into the public, tensions got high and that's it.
2. Vagueposting can be about anything, it's vague after all. Maybe it's about the community or maybe it's about completely unrelated kaigai idol things. Twitter is one of the most antagonistic spaces online so.
3. Ruu patrols the boards and makes a statement about someone who you agree is a problem. Ok? So the problem is that she patrols the boards. Ok?
No. 332163
>>332160>”That” groupWhat I find interesting is that this group and its members are apparently banned from performing at a lot of idol events in the north east. Allegedly, whatever happened behind the scenes was going on for a while and had witnesses. Anyway, there’s really not much left to be said, it’s been investigated and picked apart to death. Unless more concrete evidence gets posted, there really isn’t anything more to be said.
>Patrolling the boardsI don’t get why it’s so taboo in the idol community for people to look at here and 4chan. Is the thought that if they’re looking, they’re also posting?
No. 332166
>>332163Them getting banneed is news to me, but even if more concrete evidence is posted, I still really don't care unless members were really in severe danger. Working with others, egos can get in the way, people can get sensitive for no reason. It's not good, but everyone has to have their learning lesson. I think the real test is if more issues happen with these members when they get involved with other people in other projects. I think the root of the issue is that these people were just a bad fit. Pan being a
victim of bullying could be true, but Pan seems to be thriving right now. I know we don't know what goes on in their head, but I think it's safe to assume that Pan has overcom whatever bullying could have happened.
>partrolling = postingThat could be it, but not every post is malicious. I see people defending others and putting up decent arguments.
No. 332182
>>332166>thrivingFrom the explanations I’ve heard from the event organizers, apparently Pan’s been fighting some heavy demons from the experience in their private life. You never really know what someone’s going through if they themselves don’t post it on the internet though.
I’m not sure if they have overcome it expiation but they seemed to overcome it in their idol content and have been able to keep going. Whatever it is, I hope they do eventually heal.
>patrolling = postingIn my opinion, it is stupid as fuck for these people to equate posting and looking. I guess people equate these boards with bullying if they’re not always using it. What was the original purpose of these boards anyway? To discuss community drama or have it be a free-for-all discussion of the community no holds barred?
No. 332184
>>332182*overcome the experience in their private life
Sorry.
No. 333531
>>332157the situation regarding sakura lead me to speculate that Ruu moderates this board let alone watches. every time OP of the original milk drop
>>326223 tried to combat a statement from Ruu they were muted or banned from the board. someone earlier asked to "prove" they were banned. to reply to that: how would you even expect someone who cant access the boards to provide proof?
i can drop upon request but i wont be outting OP. im not here to spoon feed whats been adressed as "old milk"
No. 334355
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Anyone got the tea on the rumor about red member of Signals quitting the idol community and Signals disbanding that got posted on 4chan? It looks like they’re gearing up to release a new cover but the red member has that they graduated in their bio.
https://www.instagram.com/vani.idol/>>333530>as a diagnosed system>my system has fictivesJFC How old are you?
>>333531I don’t think she moderates Lolcow but I think she stalks the board and reports posts made about her.
No. 334780
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>>334569I’m talking about this meltdown where an anon claimed he was harassed out of the community, that the group is disbanding, and accusing Pan of inciting harassment. Does anyone have proof of any of those things?
No. 334802
>>334780>Harassed out of the communityCan’f find any mention of him saying that himself. No announcement that he graduated from Signals either, so he is still “in the community”.
>Signals disbandingNo announcements. They just released a new cover.
>Pan inciting harassment.Can’t find any evidence of this either but found evidence to the contrary in their discord server.
Smells like bullshit.
No. 339007
>>334780The only thing that group has going for them is an ex-member and their drama. Imagine. Don’t they have anything new?
>>337042Tea?
No. 348632
>>348285Pan is really good at speaking vaguely in a way that will get people to be on their side. They omit details so that you can't help but think that they're right. They're also great at playing dumb. First Signals got to see their bad side, next Koda and presumably the rest of iin staff. I would not be surprised if there is a huge falling out between Pan and the tri-state idol area. Pan is the type to continuously say they're going to quit their idol activities, which is never a good sign for the long run. It makes you wonder, "what is it about this person that makes people want to support them so bad?" It's because Pan is extremely good at making it seem like the whole world is always bullying them. I want to like Pan, I really do, but there is a
toxic pattern of behavior here that is starting to show. They need a wake-up call.