No. 3931
It looks like "game" has become mandatory, and it saddens me greatly. I'd like to hear women's opinions.
I'm a typical nerdy guy, zero luck as you'd expect. I've read through a lot of advice, all around from pua shit to more traditional and softer ones that openly claim to distance themselves from the toxic pua attitudes. The thing is, they all have common threads. They all present some of the same manipulation techniques, some of the same psychological triggers, same advice in different words.
It's as if I want to get a girl in today's society, I have to play the game too. Without manipulation, "just being myself", I won't even get my foot in the door, with 80 men next to me using those techniques appearing much more attractive, valuable, sexy.
Now, I'm not claiming I'm hot shit, or even a Nice Guy (tm). Having read up on those things, I now notice people using them. They're not without grounds, some of them have been verified by science. It makes me awfully sad that I now have to wear that same mask, play that same game, play on girls' feelings like they do, just to be on equal footing, just to get a chance.
No. 3938
I've read The Game and some PUA stuff and while the ideas behind a lot of it are right, the execution is absurd. You don't have to do stupid shit like magic tricks or dressing like a retard unless you're trying to get 10/10s (if you are, fuck off). Manipulation and mind games aren't necessary at all.
In the end, it's pretty simple - if you act shy, insecure, overly deferent, etc, you are literally telling her that she is above you and you are low value. If you like yourself and have self respect, you are telling her you have value and she's not too good for you. Don't suck up to her, don't try to be agreeable and inoffensive, don't go over the top with gifts and shit too early in the relationship, this shit is common sense but so many men just don't get it. Desperation is the biggest turn off and nerdy nice guys broadcast it constantly.
No. 3948
>>3931>Without manipulation, "just being myself", I won't even get my foot in the door, with 80 men next to me using those techniques appearing much more attractive, valuable, sexy.Yeah, you will, if you stop comparing yourself to others. I know, I know, that's an old line but it's true. Work on your strengths, have some self-respect, respect that every girl is different and while that means some will never give you the time of day, some girls will find whatever you have to offer appealing and that has potential to become something more. There are more than enough typical nerdy girls out there.
All the time you would waste playing the 'game' is time you could spend on self improvement, which is going to boost your confidence and make you appeal to more girls.