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No. 103263
Frill-Ability was a nice concept but has turned into another way for Ellejay to talk about herself and her problems. She has started converting to Islam in the last week to jump on the recently trending Hijab Lolita.
Her MtF girlfiend broke up with her and she's talked about starting a GoFundMe for a trailer to live in with an estimate of $30,000-$60,000.
fb:
https://www.facebook.com/trinitynineig:
https://instagram.com/frill_ability/yt:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ElleJayVee/twitter:
https://twitter.com/frill_abilityold blog now about converting to Islam:
http://www.sherryandcookies.com/ No. 103275
>>103269she's white af. I've seen her irl.
>>103272afaik none
No. 103276
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>>103275she is clearly white
just look at her pictures compared to an actual Muslim woman
her Caucasian features really show
No. 103280
>>103277how fucking retarded do you have to be to be gay and convert to
islam of all religions
i hate this bitch so much
No. 103284
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>>103276you're fucking stupid if you expect all Muslims to be brown. Light skinned people from the middle east, Eastern Europeans and Africans are much more likely to be Muslims than..what… Pakistani's? Iraqi's?
That's like expecting all Christians to be Chinese because you saw a few chinese christians on Tv.
No. 103287
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>>103275>>103269>>103268The pic from her askfm makes me think her ethnicity is West Indian but she's since had more cosmetic surgery and lightens her skin
No. 103295
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>>103287Nah. Here she is with her parents, she is definitly some kind of white.
No. 103296
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Does anyone know someone from the Chicago comm who will actually say what the fuck she did to them? Was that the reason she moved to SF?
Also, confirmed for munchausen?
No. 103299
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Not sure if she took this down but here ya go.
No. 103300
>>103291Your mom is a fucking idiot. No full northern european would have olive skin. The only reason Italians have it is because of Arab mixing and Italians aren't really considered white. One of your ancestors got cucked.
It's impossible to give this girl a race. From a /pol/ perspective she is not considered white because there's some definite brown admixture. But she's not brown enough to get special tumblr privilege points and they would call her "white".
No. 103303
>>103283afaik there's no really "correct" style to wear a hijab (
http://islamqa.info/en/6991) as long as it covers what it needs to and respects humility etc. So as long as it's covering what it needs to she's wearing it "right", but that doesn't stop her from looking retarded in
>>103263 No. 103304
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So she can walk at times and doesn't need the chair 24/7? I do remember her using a cane before, did her condition get worse or just the munchausen?
No. 103307
Someone needs to warn the newbies about her if she comes back, so I'm going to share my experience to pass on what I've seen from her interactions with the community and the damage she has done to veteran comm members with her toxic friendship.
I joined the Chicago comm some years ago and was eager to be part of such a well-dressed community. One of the veteran members warned me about Ellejay, but didn't elaborate on what exactly was wrong, and seemed to indicate that much of the comm was sympathetic to her, and that any attempt at criticizing her problematic behavior would be met with scorn. I heeded her advice and was polite and cordial in person, though hardly interacted with her at all. Some time later, she had a problem with a veteran member of the comm, and something she did disgusted a bunch of comm members (this was apparently a common occurrence). Her health issues were apparently not as big a deal to her then since she was still working, and even walked around at most of her meetups with apparently few problems.
Basically, the way she'd interact with other comm members went like this. She would 1) not show up to meetups for a while. 2) decide to come to one, or a con, with much fanfare and self-inflation, making as big a deal of it as possible. 3) show up to event and interact with few people, be as nice as possible to newbies who didn't know any better, constantly inject herself into conversations and make them about her and her issues, or let friends down when she promised to do things for them (I saw this happen at a con personally). 4) have some kind of blowup or meltdown, in public or private, some time during/after the event, milk it for all the attention she could, and then pretend like it never happened, blame someone else or her medical issues, and start the cycle all over again.
This likely is what happened at that con about two years ago, when she had some sort of alcohol-fueled episode, which resulted in her making a total ass of herself in front of several people, going completely batshit crazy, and then pretending it never happened. The entire thing was really gross and pushed all of her former friends away even further, many of them blocked her on facebook after that, or just flat out refused to ever contact her in general. I wasn't given all the details but from what I've collected it was incredibly out of control and she was very immature, and still is. But after all that, and apparently several more issues with the comm, she still pretended like nothing happened, or that she wasn't at fault, or that everyone else was exaggerating.
I've seen what she did to the old comm, which was drama-wrought, paranoid, and shitty when I joined. Now we have new people who are chill and want nothing to do with dramallamas. I became friends with older comm members, many of whom have moved away from the comm or have otherwise left the community, or choose to distance themselves from it. She is one of the reasons the comm was so bad when I joined, and according to those friends, who told me she was absolutely insufferable to her ex-husband, her now ex-friends, and legitimately has mental health issues surrounding her unceasing need for attention. I would not be surprised if many of her issues, which I'm sure are also physical and real, are totally exacerbated because of her mental health issues. It's really not surprising that she was dumped either, because she is extremely unstable, needy, and narcissistic. Now that she insists she can't work, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just going to be her parents supporting her while she languishes in California. Her parents are loaded and hopefully will tell her she can't come live with them, but the majority of the Chicago comm is wary of her return and doesn't want to have to deal with her now or ever, especially now that she's pathetically "converted" to Islam.
Hopefully she doesn't come back to Chicago but those of us in the know are all terrified she will. The last thing we need after the crazy Bosnian racist chick is this toxic attention whore. The comm needs to move forward, not slide backwards into drama. Maybe in that way this post seems hypocritical, but this is not meant to "stir up" anything that isn't already an open secret within the comm, or at least among its veteran members. This is a warning to anyone new to the comm, stay far away from Ellejay. She'll try to befriend you in an attempt to gather more white knight sympathy sources, and abuse your friendship to the breaking point. Do not engage her meaningfully or get close to her. Just be cordial and avoid.
No. 103309
>>103298bitch got some unlucky genes then. i'm the exact same mixture and i can't imagine looking that much like a dothead. she seriously looks like she's fresh off the boat from india or pakistan or some shit.
i will honestly never understand how these uggolitas have the confidence to plaster their faces all over everything
No. 103311
>>103310are you really starting this right now
no one cares
this is not pull
No. 103316
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>>103300Actually mate there are some N. Europeans who do have dark hair and olive skin.
A lot of Northern Europeans can tan a LOT despite the hair and eye colour, I should know because I've been to Norway on Erasmus.
People from a single country can look different, they're not fucking clones. Are you gonna tell me pic related isn't Irish because his hair and skin aren't pale enough? And a good percentage of the population look a lot like him too.
Fucking yanks…
No. 103324
>>103277Why in the
fuck would any homosexual
willingly convert to Islam? That religion hates them even more than fucking Christians do.
No. 103326
>>103307I am one of the friends who promptly blocked + deleted after her episode. The above is all confirmed.
But she actually left Chicago after her and her ex husband got divorced to go work at Angelic Pretty. She met Brie (the MtF) while in California and started dating her pre-transition. Just to clear that up.
No. 103328
>>103327She drank a lot, passed out in the hotel shower for 2 hours while the bathroom door was locked. Her friends pounded on the door and she didn't answer it. After they contemplated calling hotel security, she came out (naked) and started a cycle of blame/accusations and self-loathing. They told her she has a drinking/prescription medicine problem, and she freaked out. She then lied that she "called her parents" when really she called her ex-husband and spent the rest of the night with him. Because he was wrapped around her finger. Her ex-best friend called her parents to warn them about the episode (before she could spin it) and that she was cutting again and shouldn't be left alone. That's when everyone found out she had never called her parents to come get her.
She needs inpatient treatment for her many mental issues, not a new fucking religion.
No. 103330
>>103328Cont.
Mind you that this is was the straw that broke the camel's back, and not the only incident. She also sexually harrassed members of the comm, and hooked up with over half of the friends she had in the comm. Lauri (Cancerchan) started a lot of rumors, but never managed to really figure out exactly who she was hooking up with while her husband watched or on the side of their marriage.
Also, confirmed that she's 50% Italian (dad's side) and 50% Cuban (mom's side). That photo with the tan was from her late teens. It's just her with a tan + pre-nose job.
No. 103332
>>103331No, I believe this was Anime Midwest.
But don't confuse ElleJay drama with Heather drama. They both are crazy, but have different stories that sometimes cross. Acen 2012 (AP show) was a lot of Heather bitching about ElleJay and spreading rumors because she wasn't chosen to model.
No. 103333
>>103330I do remember that Ellejay has been accused of sexual harassment before. There was a secret about her in early 2014 grabbing someone's ass at a party with Brie in attendance.
>>103332I remember about Heather, but I don't she was a lolita until late 2012. I recall there was some drama about her in 2013. 2013 was also the year Cancerchan got banned from the Chicago Comm.
No. 103336
>>103331>>103332The passing out in the shower incident was actually at Acen last year. I had to look it up, because it feels much longer ago than that.
>>103320She has some kind of tumors in the veins in one of her legs. I think it has gotten progressively worse, which is why she uses the wheelchair now, but had a cane for a while and can walk sometimes. I am not a doctor, but I think this is real. On the other hand I have my suspicions about her mental/behavioral issues, because she seems to have a new (self) diagnosis every few weeks, and issues with drinking and prescription meds are probably not helping whatever could be going on.
No. 103339
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>>103284>>103285Southeast Asia (Indonesia, specifically) has the highest Muslim population. Eastern Europe has a lot of diaspora but the ratio of Muslims to non-Muslims isn't that high. ME/NA, stretching down to central Africa, and across southern Asia to Indonesia are the countries which are mostly Muslim.
>>103303Technically yeah, there is a way to wear it right. Girls who just toss on a scarf and wear tight or revealing clothes don't understand hijab. Also some cultures and schools have different rules regarding hijab. Her tights in the first pic would break hijab in most cases since you're not supposed to wear anything skin-tight, but for the most part she isn't fucking it up too bad.
>>103324Male on male sex is touched upon in the story of Lut, but there's nothing about female on female, and the only people who speak out against it are scholars. Some people interpret the story of Lut as being about lustful actions in general and not specifically male homosexuality, so they include lesbianism when they reference it.
There are gay Imams. They're rare, but more and more are cropping up in the states. With things like liberal/progressive Islam and Ijtihad there's an influx of Muslims who put human rights before archaic texts.
However, if she's willingly taken up hijab as soon as converting, I assume she's not going for the more lax approach. She's also said she's taking classes from the local mosque. 100% guarantee she didn't put any thought in this, nor did she read multiple Qur'an translations so she could fully understand what she was getting into, or pick which madhab she wanted to be a part of before jumping on the bandwagon and she is not going to have a good time in this religion and her sexuality is only a small fraction of the things she's going to struggle with.
>tfw half-Syrian Muslim and having a field day with this. No. 103342
>>103341Shhhh we're all alabaster redheads who speak with funny accents and consume alcohol like water
Don't ruin it for them, they might get into another identity crisis and start crying cultural appropriation at everything
No. 103343
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>>103339Of course she immediately took up wearing hijab, it's probably the main reason she converted. How else will people be able to tell she's a special and oppressed ultra-minority? #disabledhijabilolita
>>103341>>103342Next you're going to try and tell me Irish people don't all look like this. Don't be absurd!
No. 103345
>>103344To be fair, even a great deal of Scots have dark hair and eyes, although not as many as micks.
But yeah, the stereotype in the UK is 'dark curly hair, sloe-eyed, with high cheekbones, small mouths and pointy noses'.
No. 103346
>>103344i dont think all americans know the difference
bag pipes, leprechauns, potatoes, nessie, its all in the same boat
No. 103347
>>103344Makes me cringe that anyone would have that assumption. I'm Canadian but am familiar with what Irish people actually look like since my mom is very Irish. She has all the characteristics of a stereotypical Irish like the daek hair and sharp features.
Anyways though this thread has gotten derailed quite a few times. I'd never heard of this bimbo until lolcow but ohmygosh she is tumblr head to toe
No. 103348
>tfw I look her up on FB and one of the two lolitas I'm friends with has her as a friendHoney why.
But yeah she hid her blog and made a FB post about needing some space and the top comment is some girl mentioning the cgl thread. There's also a post in the cgl thread that might be bait, or might be her or one of her friends:
>You're all pathetic! Who cares what religion she is? You're a bunch attention whores, bigots and basically a group of filthy intolerant cunts. Try living your own lives, as sad as they may be. Oh you say you met her? Somehow I don't believe you.If this is how she handles private gossip -on the internet- in regards to her change in religion, have fun with that Islamophobia. I don't even hijab and I still have people jumping at me about things like how I'm a terr'ist, how I'm going to be arrange-married to an abusive husband, asking how I like being part of a religion that oppresses me and supports rape and domestic violence, or just making claims about dumb shit the Qur'an doesn't say like "kill all the infidels".
Like if you don't have a thick skin you're not going to have a good time with Islam. She'll probably use Islamophobia for pity points though…
>>103343>Of course she immediately took up wearing hijab, it's probably the main reason she converted. How else will people be able to tell she's a special and oppressed ultra-minority? #disabledhijabilolitaThere are girls who are born into Muslim families and take up hijab in their teens and end up struggling with self-image in their 20s because of it. Hijab is a serious life choice and not something you can just not follow out of convenience. Once you hijab, you hijab for life.
I can't wait till someone catches her outside of a meetup either not wearing the scarf or wearing it with clothes that go against the concept and she makes some dumb excuses for not wearing it.
>>103344I read that there was some mixing with north African (possibly berber) people at some point long ago. I don't recall the details or the truth in those claims, just that there were a bunch of theories floating around as to why people from the far north have traits of people closer to the equator.
The white side of my family is some sort of Celt (Mom tells me Manx, but much of the family claims to be Scottish and I know I have relatives who were brought to the US on Scottish prisoner ships to be sold as slaves). My great-aunt and her grandaughter are both redheads, but much of that part of the family is brunette or black-haired.
No. 103353
>>103351Not even that anon but minor racial slur and everything is "borderling" racist to you
triggered tumblr SJWs. You fuckers already derailed the thread freaking out about it before and you need to re-hash it again, fuck.
No. 103354
>>103351again, this isnt pull
most people that are here come from the chans and dont care about racial slurs please fuck off
No. 103359
>>103358Before Brie started dating ElleJay, she was Brian, and had always seemed comfortable being male. He wanted to wear dresses, but seemed like a straightforward brolita, not a trans person. He was outgoing and engaging and participated fully in the community.
After Brian started dating ElleJay, he slowly stopped hanging out with his friends or coming to meetups. He became more and more isolated and turned into a meek, quiet person. ElleJay started publicly referring to Brian as her "girlfriend." It was only after that that he changed his name to Brie, and ElleJay was the one who went around proudly telling everyone he was transitioning. Brie only said anything about it when pressed.
Brie has hardly made an appearance since without ElleJay, always quietly standing behind her and catering to her needs. Brie used to dress beautifully when she was male, and now dresses in very plain lolita.
Make of that what you will. Let's just say no matter his or her gender, I'm thrilled Brie finally cut that cord.
No. 103370
>>103335Oh yeah, she was one of the most vicious, or at least stood out to me the most. Probably because like that other anon said, her text was hot pink and really obvious.
Someone should start a "where are they now?" thread for OG lolitas. I've got tabs on everyone dating back to like 8 years ago. I never posted back in the day because I was too weird and poor, but lolita drama is like a soap opera to me. My favorite virtual reality tv show haha. I'll start collecting some stuff on big names that I can remember, and if no one else starts the thread I will soon.
No. 103371
>>103359So… She basically give a cross dresser an identity crisis just to brag about her "veeery trans girlfriend"… It wouldn't surprise me that she bullied Bryan into "becoming" transexual by bullying his appearance constantly.
What a piece of trash, I actually feel happy that he broke with this witch.
No. 103376
>>103328At least she can't drink anymore if she's converted to Islam, so there's that.
>>103332I will never for the life of me understand why Heather was a mod in the community. She was drama too. And Ellejay was pretty high up in the comm too iirc (I dunno lol, I wasn't there long because I got deleted in the great purge of 2012 for not posting).
I'm glad to hear things are better in the comm now, but I'm not really willing to go back there, cos that whole thing left a really bad taste in my mouth.
No. 103377
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>>103357Oh man I looked her up and now I remember her and her trashy icon!
No. 103378
>>103350lol fucking Dina deserves her own thread, a few years ago she was a slut-shaming openly idiotic moron who ran her mouth every chance she got. when she vaguely threatened a comm member a mod messaged her and told her she was being inappropriate. in response, Dina rebuffed the mod's concerns and told the mod she was probably a "stuck-up white girl." The mod is actually mixed race and just didn't have any photos of herself on facebook then.
After the mods asked Dina to "take a break" and to let them know if/when she would like to come to meets again, about a year later she started showing up to meets with no advance notice and was quiet as can be. Then she roped some nice, naïve newbies into being her friends and treated them like shit for months until they cut off her toxic "friendship" this past anime midwest. I think it had something to do with Dina drinking too much, then accusing her friends of drinking get alcohol? But neither of her friends drink?? They were really disgusted with her and she constantly played victim about being Bosnian and facing discrimination and shit when it was never really a big deal and she moved to the US probably as a toddler.
Dina made it seem like her ex-friends used her and played the victim really hard but her ex-friends were really done with her shit and regret staying friends with her as long as they did. Supposedly Dina also sent one of them a slew of texts calling one of her ex-friends a bunch of shit and then denied it later. She blocked a bunch of people and got reported for using a fake fb name, now she has to use her real name on fb instead of the fake one she was using before.
That's racist Bosnian chick. Wish she wasn't in the comm. I don't know a single person who likes her and I wouldn't be surprised if she ropes more newbies into being her "friends" aka people to complain to and bitch at constantly.
Props to her for calling out Ellejay on her bullshit "conversion" at least. It's the only sensible thing she's said in years.
No. 103380
>>103271>she looks like an arabno she doesn't.
t. arab
No. 103381
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>>103363>look at that kike nose>she looks like an arabdoesn't make sense.
I dont care about the girl in that wheelchair but she does not look arab. Arabs come in all colors but typically, she does not look Arab. She looks like an ugly English girl with sharp features. Picture related is an Arab girl, just an example of the many looks we have.
No. 103382
>>103381lol
that's an arab girl with caucasoid features
arabs typically have different features
No. 103384
>>103383she has european facial features
how is that a typical arab nose? it's not
No. 103386
>>103385meant for eurocentric
>>103384witch noses* btw
No. 103390
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>>103389ugh…wh*te people.
No. 103391
>>103390this looks more like an arab girl yes but she's still like, got pretty european features
it's like the tess munster thing. she's only famous bc her face doesnt look like that of a fat as fuck woman. the girl u posted earlier is a model because she doesnt look like an arab. she has white features.
No. 103392
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>>103391You're right, Eurocentric-chan! I think the pic related looks like an Arab girl. She has Arab features.
No. 103396
>>103393proves you post a promotional pic where she was shooped and wearing makeup vs a basically unedited one where she's not wearing contour/makeup
stop whining no one is saying all brown people are hideous
No. 103400
>>103394So when I disagree with white people for once I am called a SJW. I am just saying that this whitetrash in OP does not look like an Arab. She isn't even Arab so….
I'm also saying that the Arab girl looks like a typical brown Egyptian girl.
>>103396Some arabs are black, some are brown, some are white. I dont care about brown people. All I said that OP does not look like a white arab, brown arab, or black arab.
>>103398I was not that anon but just like "nice noses" are european "nice full lips" are a black thing. Otherwise that Egyptian bitch I posted does not have european facial features.
No. 103403
>>103401Didnt you know anon? Pretty=euro
>>103402which girl are we now talking about? your post confuses me
No. 103408
>>103404Thank you! I have such lips and people comment on it because they are so thin for an Arab girl.
>>103405She has just full lips to me tbh. You think they are xxx full because you are European, which is okay.
>>103407Ah ok I thought so!
No. 103418
>>103417Some of us veterans also got messages from third parties saying that people were saying if a secret was made about Dina, she would have made it. Considering that rumor started floating around the weekend of Midwest (8 days before the next secret post), many of us assumed it was the two other girls attempting to start drama. Since this all happened on sat/sun and probably 70% of the comm regulars were at Midwest. When a secret didn't even pop up, I figured they chickened out, realizing that they gave themselves away. Their actions looked like a classic lolita-run witch hunt to me. And I know I am not the only person who thought so.
I've also been in the comm thru most of the Ellejay/Heather/Cancer-chan drama. Nothing that happens in Chicago surprises me at this point.
No. 103419
>>103415Except that that's not really how it works?
No, the Quran doesn't specifically mention the word "lesbian" or "women having sex with women iz bad", but that doesn't nullify that it clearly states that homosexuality in general is a sin.
Read what the Quran actually says about homosexuality because it has a figurative meaning too. Whether it's chicks or dicks, it's still a sin. That's not to say that someone can't be a Muslim and be gay, they can, but if they do choose to do both, they have to fully acknowledge that the religion they elected to follow considers it to be morally corruptive believes that God will punish the people who indulge in those behaviors.
You can always try to repent tho lol
No. 103420
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Well, this is the most fucktarded thing I've seen in a minute.
No. 103424
>>103420The round blue pills are morphine 15mg extended release.
I want to say the white round ones are Tramadol 50mg. (Looks like the imprint is probably 319 )
The picture has been so edited color wise, but I'm pretty sure the yellow pills are some sort of acetaminophen/oxycodone 325mg/10mg combo.
Why does she need so many painpills? Taking Morphine and Tramadol or Oxycodone and Tramadol can lead to seizures and breathing problems if the dosing isn't carefully monitored by your doctor.
My guess is she probably just grabbed whatever prescription pills that were leftover in the house and threw them together. For extra ~*Special Snowflake*~ effect.
No. 103427
>>103424I take tramadol 50mg and my pills are oval. Kinda eye shaped. But the shape may vary between manufacturers. And there are round and capsule shaped ones as well.
That's a lot of pills. I assume she's on pain management. But if she's taking medications that can cause seizures when used together either her doctors are idiots or they're from some old prescription she should have thrown out.
I agree this is just special snowflake brownie points.
No. 103431
>>103430No, different Dina.
>>103427I thought Ellejay posted quite often about her leg issues and this was actually pretty well known. And its mentioned upthread. Probably is on pain management.
No. 103432
>>103426Me too anon me too
/opi/ life
No. 103435
Holy shit the Arab argument. First of all, never use pictures of celebrities in an argument about race. Celebrities often have work done, and most of them are not "average" people to begin with.
I have an Egyptian friend and an Iraqi friend (both male), the only thing they have in common is their hair colour. I know 4 Egyptian girls, you wouldn't be able to tell any of them were from the same country. "Arab" is not a race and therefor can't be easily defined. Caucasoid is a race and Arabs are Caucausoid but typically have darker features because of the part of the world they live in. there are Arabs with slightly lighter features. The only thing you're not going to see on someone who is from the middle east and north Africa is type 1 skin.
On top of this, however, you also have people from southern Europe, Eurasia, and other countries that aren't considered part of the middle east and north Africa who have similar features. I know an Italian who doesn't have any middle eastern relatives but looks "Arab".
Then on top of that, not even everyone from the middle east is Arab, you've got, for example, Kurds and Persians. Many of them would probably be perceived as "Arab" by someone who doesn't know much about that part of the world, but they're not actually Arab.
Its not worth it arguing over what's Arab and what isn't because no one is going to win. "Arab" is a cultural identity, not a race that can easily be classified.
>>103414>"Stop watching FOX news">To a post defending both homosexuality and Islam>>103415>>103416>>103419There are a million different ways to interpret things in the Quran. This is why there's a bunch of different jurisprudence with different regards to whats forbidden and what isn't. The story of Lut has several different interpretations. Likewise, everything in the Quran was obviously written in a very different time, and trying to interpret things in a modern context is going to be a struggle.
>Read what the Quran actually says about homosexuality because it has a figurative meaning too.If you can't read Arabic, you're going to be reading a translators possibly biased interpretation, not the Quran itself.
No. 103438
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>>103437Caucasoid refers to bone structure, not skin colour. Caucasoid and Caucasian aren't really the same thing. Arabs are technically caucasoid due to their bone structure. People who have distinct non-Caucasoid structure typically won't consider themselves Arab. It does happen since the lines of race are pretty blurry, but they usually won't consider themselves Arab, especially within middle eastern countries where they often face a lot of racism from "Arabs".
There's a ton of diversity in skin type, eye colour, and hair colour/type, but the bone structure is typically not as diverse. Granted there will be some mild differences due to mixing genes, like how my Iraqi and Egyptian guys don't really look alike, but their structure is still more Caucasoid than Negroid, Mongoloid, or Australoid.
>Arabs come in all "races" and colors but the girl in OP just does not look "typically" Arab. And she isn't even Arab so to argue that she does not look Arab is correct.I'm not even touching on that. It's already been stated a couple times she's white/latino mix, so she's obviously not Arab. I'm just responding to the argument that there's a defined look for Arabs.
No. 103440
>>103438it seems strange to call italians 'white', but it depends on which area they hail from.
There was a lot of cross-'contamination' to the standard 'european' gene pool if you were in italy because it was a very convenient shipping port to/from africa.
if you come from one of the port cities you are probably not 100% 'white' even if you identify yourself as full-blooded italian.
on the other hand, inlanders bear a lot more resemblance to northern europeans.
determining race is not a black-and-white issue.
no pun intended.
No. 103441
>>103427Yeah, it depends on the manufacturer when it comes to the appearance of the pills. The ones my workplace stocks are round and white with '319' imprinted on it.
The Hydrocodone/apap is just easy to spot since the pill's look pretty universal across different manufacturers.
>>103429Yeah, pharmfag here too. It could be topiramate, but from what I can see for imprinting is a '6' or a '9'. I haven't seen a manufacturer that uses that for topiramate.
Again, shitty picture so it's hard to tell.
No. 103443
>>103442We've had this convo before but we can't really speak for the whole place. I've seen Sicilians who look almost mixed-black (think Obama) and those who are very pale-skinned with European features.
Even some North Africans can look 100% white so I don't see the issue of calling Italians white.
No. 103446
>>103445>privilegestumblr out
but I agree
No. 103450
>>103448-1 privelege
okay then
No. 103454
File: 1438527039973.jpg (223.29 KB, 630x615, 1438445670243.jpg)
So there were three secrets made about her on BtB this week and they were all removed…
No. 103457
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I took these caps when I realized how nuts she was. She quickly deleted them after ranting in the comments. Sad to see she didn't get better, she will be miserable in a trailer filled with kawaii trash and animals.
Does anyone remember when she got a "service dog" for a few weeks then gave him away because he was too rowdy? How many animals are travelling with her?!
No. 103462
>>103316Tanning=/=naturally tan skin. Even a swedish girl can dye her hair, tan and look exxxotic.
>>103460I doubt you're really dark as you claim to be. Lily Collins for example is considered dark for a white woman, but she really is fucking white and pasty to me, an Arab.
No. 103463
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No. 103464
>>103463God now she's gonna blog about travelling the world~
She can't run from the online drama that she desperately clings to…
I really though Brian finally came to their senses. I guess they have a lot of other issues as well if they're willing to put up with all of this girls nonsense.
No. 103465
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>>103462Except Lily Collins isn't considered "dark" by anyone…
No. 103469
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>>103344Lmao even gingers don't want to admit that they're gingers. And Irish aren't white to begin with.
No. 103474
>>103465Lily Collins IS a "dark" white girl. Just like Kris Jenner or Anne Hathaway even though both are pasty as hell.
>>103466This
>pale olivewell for white people she is.
No. 103487
>>103478
>minority in their own country Wat.
Didn't anyone teach you that wikipedia isn't 100% accurate.
No. 103488
>>103481>>103483I must see because that is amazing.
Links/caps?
No. 103499
>>103490Don't talk shit assuming you're the only one from there. The only minority trying to get minority rights is the Catholics aka Croatians.
The Muslims have been the majority at all times.
No. 103502
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>>103496Chanel just posted this to her timeline.
No. 103506
>>103505The first girl calling out Chanel in the ElleJay thread is a mod, and I'm 99% sure the girl Chanel was talking to in those screenshots is that mod's roommate.
Her poor decision making is breathtaking.
No. 103508
>>103502Dude her posting caps to her own facebook is really wtf.
Someone should just anon message her on tumblr and tell her no one likes her and she should leave the comm. Everyone bitches about her, it should just be done.
No. 103511
>>103492I noped the fuck out with Ellejay after I heard about an incident that had happened at J9's place. She's the one posting about being friends with Ellejay before shit went down. For those interested:
>J9 holds a lot of casual parties, to which both her normal friends and lolita friends are invited> one time, Ellejay attends one, with Brie in tow> one of J9's longtime friends and extremely nice person, B, sees that Ellejay is wearing cat leggings> he likes cats so he pokes her leg where a cat is and compliments her on her legged> she flips the fuck out and yells at him that he is sexually harassing her and that no one should ever touch a woman without her permission>then she picks up her cane and tries to fight him with it>poor B is traumatized>she leaves and Brie has to awkwardly return for her purse, explaining that it's just a thing that happens sometimeBonus Ellejay encounter!
>SF twinning meet up>she and Brie show up really late to the picnic >She is on her wheelchair>we are on grass>she wheels herself the fuck over the grass, which takes a shit ton of time and energy>girl I know you can walk the few feet that you insisted on wheeling yourself over>for the rest of the meet she sits in one spot and allows people to flock to her >when we take our group heart picture she is the center point of the heart>it warms my heart to see all the SF lolita calling her out on her bullshit now No. 103521
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Um.
"Brie" responded in the thread. Anyone else think the phrasing screams 'ElleJay wrote this'?
No. 103524
>>103522Ah, I see that someone ElleJay fed her bullshit story to was dumb enough to believe her.
Also, using the blanket shame-on-you statement of "I'm not the only one who feels this way" bitch please.
No. 103528
>>103522Holy shit, this is some good drama-llama shit.
Truly fucked up how there are still some people who try to side with ElleJay.
No. 103535
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>>103531Did you even read the fb thread? Other people like J definitely came forward and it seemed like OP got private messages from other people who didn't want to post publicly. S & C are just willing to call people out on their shit and I'm happy they are cuz as you've seen, most lolitas are happy to live in ignorance or do everything to avoid confrontation even as they're being preyed upon.
Also the thing with Melissa was pretty well documented?
No. 103536
>>103534Ok that's scarier. Makes it hard to trust that mod if they can still side with someone so crazy like ellejay.
S&c weren't the only ones who complained about mb and ellejay. They're just the most visible.
No. 103538
>>103537A lot of people don't know ElleJay well or never knew about all the shit going down with her.
I was talking with a girl in the comm who's been part of it for several years now and she never noticed anything.
No. 103546
>>103544Why not both?
You know we have retards who think "Well, she deserves to know we're talking crap about her" among us, right?
No. 103547
>>103546Even stupider to think you can change your name and people wont notice.
Your not fooling anyone Ellejay. You can change as much as you want but your thirst for e-fame and toxicity is already archived on multiple websites and can't be deleted. It would be different if you just stopped everything in the first place… but no. You thought of how you can cover your tracks, unfriend, and change blogs so you can still cry to get your white knight ass pats while trying to avoid "bullies" bringing up all of the terrible things you have done to both comms, friends, and family. Anyone can be a piece of shit but you truly stand out and are special in that realm because you choose social media to pretty much document every shitty thing you've done. And in giving yourself that ~*unique*~ name has only made it easier to dig up all of your past and present indiscretions.
>You missed a few.https://modelmayhem.com/2343484https://facebook.com/pages/Laura-Volpe/8518722077You are truly a lolcow.
No. 103559
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>>103557A lot of Lolitas upset over this photo and GLWs took it down and apologized. Since then many girls refused to buy from them. Did she personally confront GLW about this at a con???? Can anyone confirm?
No. 103564
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No. 103569
>>103284The word all of you are looking for is Arab
Muslim isn't a race/ethnicity
No. 103573
File: 1444103864536.png (57.78 KB, 487x270, Screen Shot 2015-10-05 at 8.54…)
>I swear I'm part African ok????????
No. 103580
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>>103573>ElleJay back on FacebookThis lolcow isn't going away.
>>103575>>103579I've heard the same thing that she never graduated, but she disputes that.
>>103577>>103578Magic the Gathering is basically comprised of hardcore nerds. Magic is big at my school. I know she can comeback to lolita if she returned to Chicago and rejoined the Chicago Comm.
No. 103585
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SHIT I forgot after her last crazy storm, her and her girlfriend bought and moved into an airstream trailer!
The point of small house living is to cut out a lot of clutter and to live more minimal. Look at all that unneeded shit behind her!
For someone who used to bitch a lot about inaccessible locations she sure picked a really inaccessible place to live. And her GF is just as crazy if she's going along with this.
No. 103586
>>103585What do you mean piles of stuffed animals and expensive Japanese dolls aren't a necessity!?
In all seriousness though, I wonder how much of a cluttered mess that thing is already.
No. 103593
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>>103590You're telling me. I oddly couldn't watch this late at night. I think it's a combo of knowing she's got some untold mental issues + everything in this video is uncanny, not cute.
No. 103594
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>>103593I like how when you take stills of the video, it looks like it's from a crime scene or a creepypasta. The music was kind of creepy too and not very cute like the other anon says, that weird buzzing noise…
No. 103597
I'm pretty sure I've figured out this idiot's shtick. She's an opiate/opioid addict. The pictures here:
>>103273 show her nodding out, very clearly, in her wheelchair. She claims to be on worker's comp, and I'm guessing the chair is to milk worker's comp case managers for as long as she possibly can, as well as milk whatever doctor she goes to for as many opioid medications for as long as she can. Opioid addicts have a tendency to over dramatize their life's situation for sympathy, but end up always overplaying it in an oddly plastic and shallow way. A perfect example is her post here:
>>103299 . A favorite past time for opiate addicts is to garner sympathy from others by any means necessary, and the way she exhibits her medications here:
>>103420 is just screaming, "FEEL SORRY FOR ME LOOK AT ALL THE PILLS I HAVE TO TAKE", but she ended up just giving herself away and showing everyone her true addict self. She is constantly trying to become something special and different because she truly feels that anything is better than what she knows she is inside - a fake, a fraud, a boring and simple regular girl who has no problems and is in perfect health - which is why she decided to 'convert' to Islam. It's obviously a fraud, and a vain attempt at becoming something she is not, and it will not save her because she is not fully invested in it. Finally, the picture here:
>>103585 shows an opiate addict in true form. Plastic, shiny, and oily skin from not showering. Pin prick pupils. A superficial smile that screams, "My life sucks, but at least I have my morphine and since no one has called me out yet, that makes me happy enough". Living in a fucking trailer with no plan, no goals, and no dreams, as well as making fake attempts to fool her family into believing she is doing something good for herself are ALL telltale signs of the opiate addict.
Just wait til' the pills don't work anymore. She'll be on heroin in no time and then homelessness will be the least of her worries. This cow is in self destruct mode. If you want to get a surefire rise out of her, call her out on her addiction and tell her that she's faking everything for the pills -cause it's the truth.
>>103464Don't worry, she can't make it far. She has to pick up her morphine and hydrocodone prescriptions after all. She has to continuously make Dr's appointments in order to get those prescriptions since they are scheduled substances. Soon enough, she wont be able to leave town because she has to be near to her heroin dealer at all times in order to stay well.
Source: Used to be a heroin addict. 2 1/2 years clean now. Thank God.
No. 103599
>>103597I think most of this is right. She did have some condition with tumors in one of her legs. They were removed, but instead of the hard work of physical therapy; she quickly fell into the self pity and pill dependency. I think she could have made a full physical recovery but her obvious mental problems just made her regress. She started with a cane, then a "therapy dog" she quickly gave up, then the chair. That chairs done more harm than good, since after that she quit her job; tried (and failed) on her frillability project, which has turned into another blog for muh problems~; and ignores any chair advice her disabled friends give her. She crosses her legs in almost every chair picture she takes, and you know she has to walk into that trailer!
This broad really pisses me off, what about girls with actual physical disabilities who wanna be kawaii and can't even stand on there own?! Those girls would fight tooth and nail to get better if they had half of the resources that this nut has.
This is why you don't coddle kids and pay for their nose job at 17.
No. 103600
>>103597Former addict here also and I agree with this fully.
However, I want to say that she probably doesn't (presently) see it this way. She probably sincerely thinks these are good ideas or things she's into because her drug addled brain is incapable of making objective observations or decisions.
I remember being addicted to just oxy+ketamine and I thought Wicca was a good idea. I'm not even vaguely religious and cringe at the memory (very out of character).
No. 103601
>>103599She definitely isn't in perfect health, she does have issues with her one leg. However, I agree that she seems to play it up. And her being addicted to her pills seem likely.
If you check her tumblr, she has a therapy dog again. Not sure if it's the one from before or a new one though.
No. 103608
>>103606I imagine it's not that she is worth it but is likely very manipulative.
I used to do similar things to my exes (then partners, obviously). Some of them still think I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread. It isn't because I'm great or worth it, it's because I was very manipulative and abusive/offered them false validation. It's like some kind of emotional abuse victim mind set, that the person starts to think they need their abuser like that.
Not trying to be OT with my life story, I just think this is what has happened with them. EJ might not even know what she's doing is abusive/manipulative, especially when fueled by her blatant drug addiction.
To Brie, EJ probably 'helped' her. She probably has a false sense of identity/self tied in specifically with EJ (Esp given her trans progress began during their relationship, yes?). In essence, her tie with EJ is essentially part of her present identity. That can be hard for people to shake, especially if their self esteem was knocked down and picked up by an abuser who covers it by convincing them it's affection.
Don't know if I'm explaining this eloquently because I'm not very sober right now, but the situation makes unfortunate sense.
No. 103612
File: 1444352298548.png (595.55 KB, 513x652, theyseemerollin.png)
>Could you imagine the shitfit she would throw if Brie went out on her own with a friend
This guy is either the owner or an employee of the place they bought those cards from.
No. 103616
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No. 103617
>>103616Oh, how convenient. It's almost like she's watching us…
Or are you Ellejay posting screen caps of your own post as evidence you aren't a pill addict? Cause, I mean, seriously.
No. 103618
File: 1444505812135.jpg (95.65 KB, 973x632, 1442619085686.jpg)
I'm the one that posted this:
>>103597>>103616 … I FUCKING CALLED IT. Did I not call this or what? What a plastic fake bitch, and yeah, she is reading this thread because she got scared when I could just SENSE the pill addict through the fucking screen with her pictures. So since you are reading this, Ellejay, no, there is no, "herbal" remedy that will now quell your appetite for opioids! Congratulations! You made yourself an addict! Now there is no turning back, and you will crave opioids for the rest of your life! And guess what? Whatever 'withdrawal' you are feeling is fucking NOTHING compared to heroin withdrawal, so either shape up your fucking life and ask your family for help, or suffer the life of an addict, homeless, on heroin, detoxing in your trailer every time you run out of money. Here's a present, from 420chan's /opi/. You're a fucking retard if you see this image and still continue to use. Do yourself and your life a favor, get off that shit, get counseling, ask your family for help, and get out of that fucking retarded wheel chair. You look pathetic, go through the physical therapy, you fraud.
>>103600I know exactly what you mean. I used to also do a lot of cringe-worthy stuff or just make decisions on a whim with no plans… Shit like deciding to drive somewhere far off with no money for gas to make it back, no money for food or anything. I'd be fucked with no direction, no plan, no sanity, nothing. I totally understand this.
No. 103619
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>>103618Opiate anon called it.
Maybe she's actually getting help this time…
No. 103621
>>103618that picture irritates me so much and is so innacurate
(MOST) just start smoking black tar recreationally because its just like oxy to people, except insanely easy to find and cheap.
idk about the east coast but I hear everywhere tar is taking over. basically, skip all that pill shit. we've all taken a vicodin after getting our wisdom teeth out or some shit. syringe shit is totally correct though.
No. 103622
>>103589Ugh so much clutter. I see this in a lot of "kawaii" rooms and can't understand how people can live like that. I'm feeling really claustrophobic even just watching the video tbh.
All the dolls and posters and shit just make it look like a teenager's room too. Like this bitch is 30+. She's gotta have major fucking issues to be wanting to live in a teenager's room.
No. 103623
>>103619Oh, of course. The famous opioid addict, "Tuck 'n' roll". Aka getting the fuck out ASAP because shit is getting too real and you're starting to look like too much of a piece of shit so you have to opt out of having a social life when you're called out and proven to be a fake, a fraud, a piece of trash, a liar, a manipulator, and much more. You know, I never understood why people found it just so difficult to get honest with themselves and other people around them and just say, "Look, I lied. I am sorry, and I fucked up in these ways" but instead they always try to save face by trying their hardest to play the victim and work their warped view of the world into their reality.
>>103621Maybe you think it's inaccurate, but hundreds upon hundreds of people have posted and reposted that same exact image on /opi/ on 420chan along with some type of personal story describing their exact relation to the chart and how similar their experience was. My story was very similar, but the oxy portion of my story was only for a month and then went straight to heroin. You even said the same yourself, most people swap one for the other which is exactly what the chart implies.
No. 103627
>>103619>"I'm allowed my triumph, tragedy, and f*uck-ups in private."Coming from the person who puts EVERYTHING she does on social media and expects the internet to give her privacy?!
The last post with her beta date was posted on Instagram, Tumblr, Twitter, and fucking Facebook.
You want privacy? DON'T POST IT ON THE FUCKING INTERNET.
She's not deactivating anything else because she lives for the attention and asspats. She won't get better, just change into another shit version of herself. What can she even do now after being a singer/lolita/model/lesbian/gamer/wiccan/STEM GURL/3D print MAKER/pastel princess/spoonie/disabled/Muslim/trailer trash?
No. 103628
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She has returned!
No. 103629
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here's the post
No. 103637
>>103612holy. fuck. Know the guy in the picture with her. He used to work at a game store (as you guessed), but he left to move to Chicago with his "girlfriend." My boyfriend told me he was dating this 'cute, disabled girl', I had no idea it was helljay.
Last I heard, he was back in town after having been gone with her for only like, a week and a half max. How fucking crazy is she to live with that he could only handle a week?! I also had heard that she had broken up with her girlfriend to be with him (finally leaving Brie alone? thank god.) Never thought I'd be so close to a Lolcow irl. I'm going to have my bf hit him up and see if I can get some details on what exactly went down.
>>103628Of course she's back! She needs to work for the asspats so she doesn't die from lack of attention.
I'm glad she's banned in the SF community already, and I hope Chicago takes measures now that she's back.
No. 103639
>>103638Got ahold of the guy that went to chicago with her. He wouldn't tell me or my boyfriend anything about Brie, and told me to fuck off when I asked questions about ElleJay. Seemed like he thought she could do no wrong, she probably did the same shit she did to Brie to him.
Don't know brie well, only ever met her once or twice, but I assume she must be doing better away from ElleJay? Maybe some of her old friends can reach out to her now that ElleJay won't be there to pick and choose which friends she gets to have / what she gets to say.
No. 103642
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Saw someone post this in a cringe post… instantly thought of ellejay.
No. 103658
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ElleCray is posting links to all this "emotional awareness" shit but isn't she the one who's emotionally manipulative?
No. 103666
>>103664The problem with abusers getting accepted as victims is that the actual victim starts agreeing and they become easier to abuse in the future. When one abuser makes people question your credibility, more and more people start doing it. When you know you have no cred, telling somebody is difficult.
Sage for personal problems but I got the shit kicked out of me by an ex but, when we broke up, a lot of mutual friends fell out with me and I found out that I was apparently some manipulative bunny boiler that withheld affection to control him. In actual fact, I withheld affection because he was paranoid and a simple hug could lead to him thinking he smelled somebody's cologne on my skin and going crazy because of it. His weird stories because the absolute truth in that friendship group. If I hadn't had friends that were solely mine, I feel like there was a point where I could have easily questioned whether I was right and fallen back into the abuse.
No. 103667
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Her and Brie appear to have broken up? Her last mention or photo with her was 24 weeks ago. Brie made a post just a few days ago about going to Disney and Ellejay hasn't mentioned a word of it, which we all know she absolutely would.
She's not in the mobile-home anymore either. She's been posting from a room, and has made mention of gifts from her parents so either she moved back or is staying with someone new. The room seems sparse, so my best guess would be the latter.
Also, there's this picture, which speaks for itself…
No. 103671
>>103628it looks like shes wearing a helmet
a special helmet
for special kids
No. 103673
>>103656what? what kind of scale do you have?
That's a huge red flag to me. If someone did that to me I'd flip.
No. 103677
>>103675So men don't get distracted, you're not looking at a woman just because of her looks, etc.
I have Muslim friends and it depends on their region/culture on how strict head scarfs are, but they can still wear make up if they want to. I don't see why people think they can't enjoy fashion either.
But I do agree for lolita they almost never work, because 99% of the girls wear the hijab with no hair showing and it throws off the balance of the coord.
No. 103679
>>103673I'm guessing by "not bad", anon means it's not exactly on par with more serious sexual assault like rape.
But it's still really sleazy and disgusting to do that to someone. She deserves a good slap at the very least.
No. 103680
>>103675 According to one interpretation of the Quran, a woman's hair is 'good' and has to be covered so only the man who is halal (allowed) can see it.
Hajibs have been used as fashion accesories for long time. Them being pastelly and matched to one's outfit is nothing new, but them being a part of lolita is.
Personally, I've grown up in a country where I'm to seeing women in bright, beautiful hijabs, so the thing I react to is the colours more so than their excistence in a niche fashion.
No. 103681
>>103680>According to one interpretation of the Quran, a woman's hair is 'good' and has to be covered so only the man who is halal (allowed) can see it.Got it. This was the answer I was looking for. If non-hair adornments are accepted, then it makes more sense that the hair itself holds significance, rather than a blanket rule of "dress with humility" or "dress to protect yourself from men's gaze".
Guess that last interpretation is why SJWs love Muslims so much.
No. 103683
>>103682so basically:
"gurrrrrl I laaahhhv your scarf, where did you get it?? and that cateye, soooo perfect" = ok
"that chick has a banging bod" = not ok
No. 103684
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No. 103687
>>103686First of all, sorry if I will sound pretty confusing, English is not my first language. Secondly, interesting…I just asked one of my Muslim friend about this and she disagree with the statement that hijab is a cultural practice, it's actually a requirement for Muslim women. She said there is a specific verse that stated about the hijab requirement in the Quran that goes something along "They (women) should draw their hijabs over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to the ones that are stated 'halal' by the Quran (for example; husband, siblings)". From that verse, it's clear that hair is considered 'beauty', so they should wear hijab or the variation of it (niqab/burqa). But women would not be forced to wear them if they feel they are not ready yet.
That's one of my Muslim friend's insight about this though, I'm going to ask many Muslim friends later so that I have a better understanding about hijab.
No. 103693
>>103692Just my opinion, I don't know about Quiverfull and Scientology but I don't think Islam is sadistic. My devout Muslim friends are pretty chill and they are one of the kindest people I've ever met. I think the bad coverage in media is what makes Islam look really sadistic, but in real life, they are really not so bad.
>>103689Oooh, yes! Call her out on this, please! If you don't mind, can you post the facebook link also? I want to see the all the comments that calls her out
No. 103698
>>103696Meh. Depends. I can't stand sjws who ignore literal mass rape gangs because they're "oppressed" brown people, but westernized Muslims (usually wealthy, educated, and immigrated long before anyone gave a shit about Islam) are fine.
I dated an ethnic Persian whose parents were native Iranians* but 1) educated in the West and 2) came from extremely well-to-do families to start with. They had no problems with their teenage son bonking his teenage girlfriend in his bedroom every weekend …. or, at least, they kind of just looked away.
*Iran is a special case, but that's another topic for another time.
No. 103703
>>103695Yeah, I agree with this statement more. I've met my fair share of bad Muslims and good Muslims, just like I know there are some good Christians and bad Christians. One of my strictest Muslim friend is kind of an 'asshole' in terms of practicing his religion, meaning he practice them to core without considering everyone's situations around him (selfish might be the right word), but he got reprimanded a lot by his other chill Muslim friends, so he's toned down a little now. OT, Although I'm not religious, I think religions in general are teaching good things to make people better in life, but not all people who practice them are always perfect in terms of applying the teachings. This ElleJay is no exception, but yeah…ElleJay seems to do this for attention, so I don't think she's a good representation of Muslim.
No. 103705
>>103704Me too. Most Muslims I've met are very nice, but I'm leaning towards
>>103703. There are bad apples in everything, better focus on the good people in a community instead stamping them all in the same boat. As long as they are nice and don't force their belief down my throat, I'm good.
Back to ElleJay…any updates on that facebook page call out?
No. 103710
>>103708Not defending anyone, but if a girl can wear anything to flaunt her body in the west, a girl can wear anything to cover their body too. It's her choice, just saying.
>>103709Yeah, I agree, she doesn't look white to me, at least not 100%. She kinda look like Nasim Perdad at some angle, so I'm guessing she got some Iranian blood.
No. 103724
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Ellejay appears to be back in Chicago again. Background confirms it.
No. 103726
>>103725Transition to what, Islam? If it is, ElleJay should know better that Islam prohibited the act of forcing anything to other people.
Also, anon, ElleJay is not a true Muslim. It's not fair to stamp Islam is the opposite of peace, since there are some chill Muslim people out there. From my understanding, Islamic religion itself never taught anything hostile. It's the people who misunderstand the teachings who are in the wrong, since Qur'an and their sacred books verses are not meant to be taken literally as most of them are filled with metaphors. My Muslim friends said that when learning their religion, especially the Qur'an and the sacred books, they would do it with experts Muslim scholar(s) beside them so they wouldn't misunderstand a thing.
Now what I think she ElleJay now IS a cultural appropriation. She just take the Islamic symbols and or whatever she thinks would give her attention the most, without truly understanding the meaning behind it. If she knows and or understands, she wouldn't be doing any of those attention seeking attempt. Just my two cents.
(>>>/b/) No. 103730
>>103716Hijab isn't about women being lesser than men. It is about beauty (of women) being special and something to only share with family/husband/etc.
It is not saying women are dirty, or not to be respected. It's saying the opposite - that those unworthy should not gaze upon her and disrespect her that way.
While in some areas it's mandatory, in plenty of others it's completely optional and women choose to do it.
Just because the women are choosing to follow their faith in a way you don't approve of doesn't mean you get to tell them what to do.
(>>>/b/) No. 103731
>>103727>>103728This will be a long post, I'm sorry in advance.
This will be my last post about Islamic religion to avoid more off topic on this thread. I have said that my statement is just my two cents. I got my knowledge of Islam from my Muslim friends who are Sunni (Taqiyya is a Shi'ah teaching, so I can't talk about that since I don't have the knowledge). I have read a little bit of Qur'an, haven't finished it though. As I said, the Islamic sacred books are filled with metaphors and it should not be taken literally, including the verse that you think 'blatantly tell non-believers to be murdered'. I can go on about this, but it's a long discussion that doesn't belong here.
Although I don't understand why you think I'm racist for thinking Islam is a peaceful religion, as I don't put them down or bashing other religion/race/culture anything, but okay, let's all just agree to disagree on these topics, we don't have to debate on this too.
>>103729I'll copy and paste this statemet from here :
http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/fl/What-Is-Cultural-Appropriation-and-Why-Is-It-Wrong.htm"Susan Scafidi, a law professor at Fordham University, told Jezebel.com that it’s difficult to give a concise explanation of cultural appropriation. The author of Who Owns Culture? Appropriation and Authenticity in American Law, defined cultural appropriation as follows:
“Taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions, or artifacts from someone else's culture without permission. This can include unauthorized use of another culture's dance, dress, music, language, folklore, cuisine, traditional medicine,
religious symbols, etc. It's most likely to be harmful when the source community is a minority group that has been oppressed or exploited in other ways or when the object of appropriation is particularly sensitive, e.g. sacred objects.”
Hijab is a religious symbols, that's why I think ElleJay is doing 'culture appropriation'.
>>103730I agree with this statement anon. Afaik too, hijab is a requirement for Muslim women, but it shouldn't be forced upon them. Hijab should be worn if the Muslim women themselves feel ready to wear it.
Again, I apologize for the long post and nothing on ElleJay. I just want to give my opinion.
(>>>/b/) No. 103734
Islam is NOT a religion of peace:
SOURCES: Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is Not a Religion of Peace
#1
18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
#2
Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women.
Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#3
Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#4
After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.
Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.
It was the same caliph, Umar, who ordered the death of the first convert to Islam at Medina, an elderly leader who became a close companion to Muhammad and proved his worth in battle. Sa'd ibn Ubadah was killed after a failed bid to be caliph.
Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war…
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
#5
Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
#6
Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
#7
Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
#8
Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
#9
The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
#10
"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
10 more reasons:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/ten_reasons.htmMyths of Islam:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/index.aspx If you're going to use your 'opinions' as sources, than you're no different than an SJW
(>>>/b/) No. 103739
>>103737Wrong they kill and torture christians more.
Someone needs to end this idiotic topic. Muhammed was a pedi tyrant. That hated the hebrews and christians. The african arab slave trade has been going on for centuries. So can YOU PLEASE STFU.
(>>>/b/) No. 113698
>>113696Otherwise, she's mostly just posting pictures about "loving your vagina" lately.
She did re-post a picture of a lesbian couple living in a "tiny house" and noted that she, "loved seeing more lesbian joining the tiny house movement"… implying she's still in a lesbian relationship and living in the tiny house/trailer. Haven't seen much else though.
No. 114288
i literraly hope she gets herpes. (◡‿◡✿)
TW: Self Harm, Suicide, Rape
I want to be honest with you.
I want to be honest with you, so I am going to be honest with you as much as I can without hurting other people. Without having to explicitly talk about other people. Is that fair?
Okay, cool.
There are some people who think that I was or am an alcoholic and/or addicted to pills. That is false. There was a time in my life I was extremely stupid and excessive with alcohol in my life. It was unhealthy. Now, I am not. I will tell you about it.
Almost four years ago now, I separated from my husband. That was hard. Circumstances I can't talk about not relating to him at all but loosely to the divorce were harder. I didn't have much emotional support. I worked. I went out. I came home. I hid 40s behind my bed. I drank. I slept.
These circumstances were toxic. I didn't much talk about it. I internalized it. I took it out on myself, and I think I made some of my friends pretty worried and miserable. Some people aren't aware just how bad it got. I kept my head up. I made myself look happy.
Then, I went home. I drank. I cut myself. I couldn't stand being where I was. Where I was told me that who I am was worthless.
I began to beat myself. In order to go to work, I had to cover up the black eyes I caused. Wear long sleeves and pants to cover my wounds. I had the routine down. I kept my makeup close, first aid in the bathroom at home.
Then, when the circumstances exploded, one night, I tried to kill myself. It wasn't my first time. I was getting better at it. I dressed myself in my favourite dress and wrote a note. I almost succeeded. I tried about three different ways. I left it in God's hands whether or not I would survive. I did.
That was when I decided I needed to move. I did. For my life.
Fast forward a couple years. I had stopped cutting for a while. I had been doing okay. Drinking had been up and down, not nearly as bad as it had been, but slowly, it got bad again due to a mix of things I can't talk about. Then, something happened.
I was raped.
This destroyed my sense of self. It destroyed my sense of safety. Any trust I had was gone.
I began cutting again. And drinking, heavily. I remember one particular instance, going into the shower with a very large knife from the kitchen, feeling crazed. It just took one very exact swipe.
Blood sprayed everywhere. It looked like a horror film. Out of nervousness, I imagine, I laughed. Then, reality sunk in. I had to save myself. I stepped out of the shower, frantically, and grabbed the first thing I could find, probably a t-shirt, and applied pressure.
The scar ended up being very deep. I still have it along with many others from years past including my legs and ribs.
This is the beginning of how I lost all of my friends.
I was away in California, emotionally imploding, exploding, and handling it in all of the wrong ways. They watched from afar, probably trying to help me, but I barely remember. I was too self-involved. Drowning my problems in shopping, wine, and whatever other delusions I used to just stay afloat for the next minute.
I can't tell you about all of the years of bullshit that was adding on that led to the preceding, but my lack of dealing, my absence of social conscience and at times etiquette, my complete dismissal of everyone else's problems but my own, you know, I broke. Just because I feel deeply, just because I have these issues, doesn't give me the excuse to act like an asshole. It doesn't give me the excuse to be a bad friend. I ought to have been self-aware.
Was it my medication? Well, I am on the same things now, and I am acting like significantly less of an idiot. (Not to say I'm not still an incredibly imperfect person, because I am.)
Truthfully, I think I went through a few traumas, and I could have done a better job, at certain points, recognizing when I needed to leave. When something wasn't okay. I lived fast and hard, and I paid the price.
I have a healthy relationship with alcohol now, and it's very easy for me to recognize my limitations. While I get deeply sad, I no longer hurt myself, I no longer truly desire to end my life. I see that I have a lot to live for even when my life gets extremely difficult.
I like to think that I am a better communicator now, with myself and others. I am finally starting to learn to recognize red flags from people that I don't need in my life and separate my emotional attachment. When you experience abuse early in life, it's no surprise when it follows you later because if you're not watching for it, you're subconsciously looking for it. If I'm going to take ownership of myself, I have to be more self-aware. I have to protect myself, even if that means being lonely. It's not easy.
There is no shame in getting therapy. I think everyone on the planet can benefit. Even therapists have therapists. Learn what is appropriate behaviour and what isn't. Don't give people emotional loads they can't handle. Each person is different.
I'm telling you about this because I get sentimental. I look at old photos. I sit here, and I think, what I wouldn't do to have my friends back, but I turned into this frightening person they didn't recognize. I wouldn't have wanted me as a friend then, and who would believe me now? I've had to cut people out of my life, too. I don't blame them.
So, if you have the choice, be better. Do something with your life before you lose control of yourself. Choose you. Choose you so you can be someone you will be proud of, and you never have to lose the people you love.
No. 114290
jesus look at the grubby hands tho
Medical Cannabis has so many benefits and when it is regulated, it is safe to use. There are so many forms to choose from that could potentially benefit your debilitating condition.
I have just finished the process myself, and I am awaiting my medical card. I know next to nothing about Cannabis, but I recently learned a little more about the process that one goes through as a patient to become approved for medical usage in Illinois.
One thing I was told, on the medical end of things, is important to carefully keep track of the strains that work and don't work for me, how they effect me, et cetera, just as I would with any medicine.
On the legal side, if you are approved, you are only allowed one dispensary. It's kind of like if you have narcotic Rxs, it's a bad idea to change pharmacies suddenly/randomly because they could cite you for being a drug seeker. (or be a normal person who couldn't make it to your pharmacy, but you know, it's the government…) In this case, you are flat out not allowed in any other but your assigned dispensary. Choose wisely! Do your research!
Illinois has fairly stringent laws, and we are only in a pilot program. Our list of qualifying conditions is relatively short, and it's not easy to become a dispensary either. We're hoping that things improve in time once the state sees how beneficial this is for patients and the economy.
Soon, I'd like to open up about my awesome experience working with the clinic (think of them as an advocacy group, like a third party or intermediary,) that facilitated the process for me.
If you are eligible (as in, not disqualified,) for Cannabis in this state and you have the means to apply, please try to do it as opposed to using illegally. By using illegally, you're hurting the cause for every patient with a debilitating disease who has gone through this process, for every person fighting for full legalization in this state and country. There are advocates who can assist you.
Not to mention, there are AWFUL laws preventing anyone with a past possession (or I believe other drug-related, correct me if I'm wrong,) crime from participating in the pilot program in ANY capacity. The stories I have heard are terrible and surprise, surprise, racist. If you have a choice, don't risk it if you want a future in the legal program and you want to help it flourish.
Honestly, zero judgment about what you do in your time recreationally. There are so many harmful things that are legal in this country and substances classed lower than cannabis that do irreversible damage, but they're excused on centuries' old information, the benefits of which are minuscule.
However, you can make a positive difference in your life and others' by just:
1. going to the doctor, updating your medical paperwork that shows you're being treated for your condition or investigating a diagnosis with them you think you might have, (being proactive about your health,) and
2. if your condition is qualifying, seeing one of these clinics and working with physicians and an advocacy team to get on your way to legal usage! some providers even take insurance now!
The more we can collectively dispel myths, this will make a wave in society.
No. 114291
omg wut a twat!
After yet another bout of "You're a champ, ElleJay, you don't need no stinkin' meds," because of countless people telling me how much better I'll be, won't it be great, how much healthier I'd be, if I could just get off of them and this spinal stimulator is my chance, to essentially, be the human being they want me to be, I realize how truly idiotic it is because I've been prescribed my medication for very good reason.
Indeed, I want this stimulator to work. I want one day to not be on medication. That could be a long ways a way. It might never happen. And it sure isn't a value of my fucking worth.
I could make millions of copies of all of my medical paperwork in pretty coloured paper, hire someone to fold it into origami, throw a party for everyone with "very important questions, suggestions, and advice" and have the lovely creations rain down from the ceiling from a net like confetti, or less dramatic, prepare them all very neat binders with sticky notes, passive language, lots of emojis, photos, and friendly words they can understand, but it would not make a difference. You know why?
They watched the news the one time and heard it was BAD. They don't know how, but they know that everyone who takes opioids regularly, ahem, narcotics, well that definitely leads to addiction. That word narcotics, what is it associated with? Drug sniffing dogs. Teenagers popping pills. Failed drug tests that gets the bad eggs fired. Those people on Law and Order who shake and sweat who were once "good people" and now "have a problem." Your friend who knew someone who's a total loser. People who sell their extra from the dentist for hundreds of dollars. It explains every time someone who takes medication has a not pleasant emotion because we're not allowed to be angry sometimes. Are you studying my pupils? How many times I've taken a pill today? Do I look nervous to you?
Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
Yes, addiction is real. No, it does not apply to the majority of people with physical chronic illness and disability. To those of us who literally grew up being sick. Who spend our lives in perpetual fucking misery cherishing any good moment. Who look at our pills and want to flush them down the toilet. We have to take so damn many that some days the sheer number we swallow, just swallowing them, makes us feel nauseated. Then a few minutes later we feel nauseated some more from the side effects. Maybe they make us forget things constantly, make it hard to put together sentences, give us nightmares, give us half the brains we used to have.
So go on, remind me how sick I am. Kick me while I'm fucking down. Remind me how the thing I take to make laying in bed slightly less excruciating isn't good for me when without it laying in bed would be akin to Medieval torture. Do you know what it feels like when your veins simultaneously feel as if they are being lit on fire, ripped apart with knives, and about to burst?
Do you want to hold my hand as I scream and cry inconsolably? But no, you can't always touch me, because sometimes when you touch me it hurts. Do you want to bring me my meals when I can't get to food? Do you want to carry me when I can't walk? Do you want to make sure my head doesn't hit hard objects when I have a seizure? Watch me as I drool over myself and loudly vocalize, losing control over my body? Do you want to bring me to the bed when it's over?
Do you want to make sure that I have food so I don't pass out? Can you make sure I don't forget to take my medication because I do frequently. Can you deal with the mental illness I've acquired because of all of the bullshit I've racked up over the years, the anxiety, the OCD. Do you want to deal with this? Do you want to take me to every doctor's appointment? See me naked in the least attractive way? Do you want to be in charge of saving my life when I can't?
No? I didn't think so.
Then please, shut the fuck up about my damn medications so I can get to a healthier place in peace.
#patientsnotaddicts #painwarrior #painwarriorstrong #klippeltrenaunaysyndrome #chronicillness
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>>117085>>121803Caps for people who don't know how this site works.
No. 122311
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>>103478She means actual caucasians, not what you americans think. Caucasians are not actually europeans, it's people who live on caucasus mountains.
Also, calling europeans caucasian comes from false theory that europeans originated from caucasus.
pic related are caucasians.
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>In my newest video, I talk about the consequences of the new laws restricting narcotics. This sounds like a good thing, but instead of limiting crime and addiction, it's hurting people with #chronicillness. To learn more, watch my video (see the image), and visit the US Pain Foundation's page. They will give you actual facts, not the sensationalized crap or fear-mongering BS you might hear and read elsewhere.
>If you would subscribe to my channel, it would mean a lot to me! Making videos, writing, and creating images are some of the few things I can do, and I hope I can help some people in the process. If there's a topic you'd like me to speak on, I'll happily accept requests, although it might take me some time to get to it.
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No. 124475
>>124467She's a lesbian, muslim, self-harming, ex-addict, lolita, spoonie who was previously married to a man, but is totally a lesbian now and was dating a mtf lolita.
Oh right, and she was totally into STEM once too, when she thought that might get her more attention. Then there was her brief stint in trading card games, both mtg and some shit anime game called force of will. What bandwagon do you think will be next?
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Poor Twinkle Journey
Has she sold any of her brand?
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>>132092Here's another one
No. 140248
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Gag. Brie just can't seem to get this drama queen out of his system.
More photos coming.
No. 140249
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He flew to Chicago last week to see Ellejay. She posted photos on her FB page.
No. 140250
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She flew…don't jump me.
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She is wearing lolita again.
How come she hasn't rejoined Chigothloli?
No. 141768
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