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No. 680974

Are women conscripted into the military in your country? If not, should women be drafted? (If there is no draft, registration with Selective Service or similar.)

Based on:
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/821615322/commission-issues-verdict-women-like-men-should-have-to-sign-up-for-draft

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/02/failing-register-draft-women-court-consequences-men/3205425002/

I grabbed the pic off Wikipedia.

No. 680997

Almost all societies that have had a draft have excluded women since they understood if times were bad enough to force soldiers to serve then they'd need women back home doing auxiliary jobs and continuing to give birth. Which in intensely martial societies was considered honourably serving your nation just as much as going to war. Only way to get a gravestone in ancient Sparta was to die in either combat or child birth.

Only modern countries that have a draft for women do it entirely for political purposes. Either to brainwash as much of the population as they can into an us v them mindset like Israel and North Korea or places like Sweden and Norway where they've drank the liberal feminism koolaid so much they even inflict the worst thing about being a man onto women for le equality.

No one should be getting drafted in a post-M.A.D. 21st century. If my country tried to conscript me my methods of getting out of it would be: malinger an illness Trump style > leave to another country > take the fine or jail sentence > headshot my commanding officer as soon as they give me a gun if they physically drag me to military duty. I would rather die than be forced to kill some goat farmer in Iran so Textron can sell more helicopters or whatever.

No. 681073

>>680997
>post-M.A.D.
M.A.D. never stopped even the US or USSR/Russia from killing each other with tanks and rifles all over the world, there still hasn't been a day of worldwide peace since the first world war.

Conscription and frontline fighting should only be mandatory for men, but women being taught combat skills, defense from chemical weapons, bombs and that sort of thing is a positive in my book, that should be a voluntary option. Especially in countries that have aggressive neighbors.

No. 681078

>>680997

I couldn't have put it better myself. Nobody should be drafted at all and I'd personally either kms or sell out my country to whoever we're fighting if I was forced into service. But that would be if I've exhausted all other draft-dodging methods like the ones you listed.

No. 681110

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Lmao no, can men just kill and rape each other on their own time far away from us please.

No. 681127

>>681110
> no, can men just kill and rape each other on their own time far away from us
No because women's vote matters.

No. 681171

>>681110
Agreed. College women are already raped enough, now they want us to be forced into the military where nearly every woman who serves voluntarily is assaulted (usually by her own comrades). Statistics aren't at 100% but I imagine if women were encouraged to report their assaults then it would be near that number; all of the women who I have personally encountered have been pretty open about how they were assaulted and how it's nearly always covered up. The military's success relies on sociopathic men so I doubt there would be much done to apprehend them even if women's service was mandatory. We're already physically useless at combat when it comes to fighting off men who attack us in the streets. To the men who argue otherwise (that women should have to serve while knowing all of this) just admit that you want us dead and stfu.

No. 681241

For some reason majority of our rebel guerilla fighters (the armed branch of our Communist Party here) are female. The cops and state military are of course mostly male with a very very small percentage of women.

No. 681242

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>>681241
forgot pic

No. 681247

>>681171
>by her own comrades
I agree with your sentiment 100% but want to know if you mean other women or men also in the military? if it's women that's kind of shocking

No. 681252

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There is literally no one I met IRL (USA) or over the internet that supports wars in random ME country or fighting with Russia. It's always from the politicians that somehow keep getting elected.

No. 681255

>>681241
which country?

No. 681267

>>681255
Philippines. A lot of them are peasants, environmental activists and indigenous peoples, demographics that are prime targets for massacres by state and private militaries in the service of landgrabbing by mining and logging companies. India has a similar situation in the feudal countryside if I'm not mistaken.

No. 681290

I'm a burger and wholly disagree with U.S. imperialism, also I don't think anyone should be drafted – maybe if we were getting actually invaded and our actual homes were in threat of being destroyed, but I think a lot of people would be willing to take up arms to protect their immediate neighbors, friends, and family.

That being said I think a lot of good could come from encouraging people to volunteer for a short term in social services roles, and maybe some combat and defense training if the individual's body is able to handle it (obviously such a thing doesn't exist in the U.S., and this is hypothetical). I joined the army when I was young, depressed, and aimless, and although I ended up getting discharged for an injury the actual training period was really good for me – I figured out my strengths and what I could handle, and got really fucking strong to boot lol, my arms and shoulders were fucking yoked from all the pushups I was doing. I finally stopped being a NEET and was able to develop a sense of self-worth and discipline that still benefit me today.

No. 681299

>>681110
Exactly. I would with great pride, serve my country and sacrifice my life if it benefitted women and children in the long run. But it doesn't. It's just pointless murder and savagery. This is all about men. Mens status, mens money, mens GREED.

No. 681389

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>>681241
kurdish nationalist communists in turkey have a lot of female fighters too.

No. 681400

>>681241
That's really interesting, where can I read more about them?

No. 681558

>>681252
>>681290
Female conscription wasn't even a talking point this political season, or unnoticeably so. I swear it was all police reform (BlackLivesMatter), LGBT, healthcare, immigration, China, Trump's taxes, and Biden's crack pipe.

No. 681565

>>681400
@prwc_info on twitter is the official english press account for all their allied organizations, the artists, the soldiers, the lawyers, etc

No. 681575

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>>681389
Goes to show women will gladly fight to protect their lands and people while men fight for tough guy points and le epic kill count

No. 681579

>>681575
Look at the first posts in this thread?

No. 681614

>>681575
sounds fake (and gay)

No. 681622

>>681575
This dude sounds like a total faggot

No. 681630

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>>681241
A lot of communist guerillas leaders in the middle east are female, including pic related who was actually Japanese.

No. 681899

No conscription in burgerville for women. Joined the military, served six years, and got assaulted twice. Would not recommend women joining the military ever. The military just gives murderers, rapists, and perverts an excuse to do horrible things. If they ever made a draft including women I would suggest women who are of age and able bodied to run to another country.

No. 681902

>>681899
I always hear stories from women who have been in the military about how common SA is which makes me side eye every man who's in/been in the military. I'm sorry that happened to you anon.

No. 681939

>>681630
There's women communist fighters everywhere. My late grandma is a Bosnian Muslim communist and she used to be a Yugoslav Partisan fighter during WW2 like many women at the time. Shot Nazis, fought for freedom. Met my grandad who was a surgeon when she was shot herself and brought to the hospital.

No. 681973

If women ever did get drafted I'm sure a lot of them would get pregnant to avoid the draft

No. 681998

>>681973
It would be far easier and cheaper to get a doctors note underground or cheat the system in some other way, most women don't take pregnancy that lightly

No. 682067

>>681973
Nope, getting pregnant and thus a responsibility of at least 18 years taking care of a kid you might not even want? Sounds like a loss, not as horrifying as going to war, but still a bother.
It’s easier to just pretend you’re insane or something like that, after checking out the list of reasons why someone might not get drafted, the easiest way out is to say you have incontinence issues, hernia or that you suffer from dumbness, which seems to be unable to speak out loud.

No. 682154

As of a few years ago, women born after a certain year have to sign up for the draft in my country. I doubt it will ever be used, though, because the draft is highly unpopular since the Vietnam War.

Personally, I'm 100% against drafts and conscription. It's pure tyranny.

No. 682163

>>682067
Anon…nta but you don't actually have to have the baby lol? I guess it depends on the country you live in but I remember when I was in US army basic, one of the ladies in my platoon found out she was pregnant (basically she had sex on her very last day before leaving for basic training and got a positive test after like 2.5 weeks), my company immediately started processing her out. We went on holiday break soon after that, and first formation after we all came back she was the only one who didn't return. The Army didn't do shit to bring her back, she literally went fucking AWOL and it was fine because we all knew she had a baby. This was like just over a month into her pregnancy, I'm pretty sure she's a momma now but if she had decided to abort she could have.

No. 682166

>>682163
Abortion isn’t legal in most countries tho

No. 682504

>>681247
No afaik it's usually male perpetrators (similar to rape statistics in general). There might be a sociopathic woman in there somewhere but all of the women I've personally heard from have been raped by male comrades.

No. 682508

>>681899
Thank you for sharing your story anon and for your service. I'm so sorry that happened to you. You are so strong to not only defend your country and stand today as a woman but also to tell your story as a survivor. I personally was not considering serving in the military but I'm sure you and other women could give the perspective that could save young girls who intend to enlist (usually for covered college tuition and veteran benefits).
I have a question though–I'm the same anon as >>681171 and wanted to know if my speculation about rape in the military is valid or not. Like how nearly all women who have served have been assaulted and how it's worse reporting a rape in the military probably moreso than anywhere else. Just wanna make sure that I'm not spreading misinformation.

No. 686247

soviet union had a liking of female snipers

No. 688066

>>681575
"As a Navy Seal…" so fake kek.

No. 688068

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I've been meaning to read the Unwomanly Face of War by Svetlana Alexievich for a long time to learn about Russian women fighting during WWII. Have any farmers read it?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/02/unwomanly-face-of-war-svetlana-alexievich-review

No. 688097

>>688068
This sounds like a very interesting read that I'm inclined to check out- thnx for posting it!

No. 688408

>>688068

i read it for a class, it's really interesting

No. 696896

>>680974
>Are women conscripted into the military in your country
Greece here and no we are not.

>If not, should women be drafted? (If there is no draft, registration with Selective Service or similar.)

There is full on conscription here, which I am against and think it should be abolished as it basically wastes a year of young boys' lives.

But in case of a war, a defensive war obviously, yes girls should absolutely be drafted along the boys. We either want equality or we don't, in my case I absolutely do.

No. 696907

>>696896
>We either want equality or we don't, in my case I absolutely do.
Feminism is not (or should not be) about equality, like dumb fuck media wanna tell you. It's about the liberation of women from patriarchal bullshit. How is being forced to fight in wars started by retarded politicians (almost always male, by the way) liberating women?
I guess if a women wants to, she should be able to be a soldier. Too bad that female soldiers are not treated equally to males and face tons of sexual harrassment/abuse. Though I guess walking around with a gun may be still better than just sitting in your house and waiting to be killed and raped (or vice versa).

No. 696913

>>696907
I never said I am feminist anon. I mean, I consider myself one, but only in the sense of equality of the sexes, both legally and socially. And well, I mean obviously fuck patriarchal bullshit, trust me, I know them well, but I will have to disagree with you on the liberation part. What even would be liberation, a separate society? I want to live in this society and to be treated as an equal. Basically I want to do away with gender roles and expectations.

Also come on, women vote too, we are equally responsible for the retards we put in positions of power like the males in our countries. The military obv needs extremely harsh penalties for harassment, I can not agree more, but it really seems against my goals to want to be exempt from this. It basically is the only real thing men can truly claim to fuck them over, I can not in good conscience allow them to have this unique gender oppression, as I said, I want all of it gone.

No. 696951

No shade to OP or anons ITT because there’s nothing inherently wrong with talking about this, but I hate when people (men) bring it up as a point in a basic conversation about feminism. All the disadvantages of being women and they zero in on one of the few perceived advantages, especially when conscription isn’t widespread for men either? And usually doesn’t even exist in their own country? 99% of the time it’s a sad attempt at a ‘gotcha’, in the same vein as “you’re a feminist? So I should be allowed to punch you in the face and get away with it?” (answer: you already are, go check out the endless news stories and statistics about violence against women)

There’s no conscription in my country for either sex. If there was, I’d be arguing against it existing as whole rather than advocating for women to be conscripted too. (Obviously I’m referring to peacetime, though given there not being a need for conscription for the past more than half century and the way warfare has changed… I’m not sure if it’ll ever be necessary again here).

No. 698716

>>696907
>How is being forced to fight in wars started by retarded politicians (almost always male, by the way) liberating women?
I know war is essential international politics and there are posters from different countries. But I don't think it's wise to shift the blame entirely on men. At least, just saying that isn't a nuanced worldview.

In the US, women also vote for the commander-in-chief of the US military. Women also generally vote for the candidates from the Democratic Party. (Granted neither party has a clean record, and we're stuck with a plurality voting system that mathematically marginalizes third-parties.)

It's just blunt to say "men start all the wars" when women are a contributing influence as to why said politicians are in office or why wars are started (e.g Hillary Clinton).

No. 698721

>>696913
Equality for both sexes is fine to want, but that is NOT the definition or goal of feminism, never was and never should be.

No. 698723

>>698721
>Equality for both sexes is fine to want, but that is NOT the definition or goal of feminism, never was and never should be.
Is it really anything one person can define? There are so many variants, it's almost pointless to say if there isn't a prefix to it (libfem, radfem, intersectional, sex+, sex-, and so on).

No. 698728

>>698723
I guess the point of BLM should be the equality of all races too kek

No. 698730

>>698728
Non-sequitur?

No. 698731

>>698730
Obviously shitty bait. Don't bite.

No. 698756

>>698730
>>698731
If you don't get what I mean, IDK what to tell you

No. 698775

>>698723
historically it's always been about the liberation of women, stop reading trashy online articles written by nobodies and start reading actual feminist literature. Feminism is not 'equality for all'.

No. 698937

>>698775
I'm not a feminist and I don't read online articles about feminism. It's being a total derail though.

No. 702755

>>698728
What are self-serving movements that don't account for the other people it shares a society with?

No. 735009

>>682508
Late reply but thank you and yeah the number is pretty high. The last figures I was aware of was over 20k for the entire armed forces (this was around 2018). The thing about this number is these are only the reported assault and rape cases. There's a million or so active members currently serving, so the true number is probably much much higher. The chances of being a victim of assault/rape are around 1 in 8 for women 20 and under, and experiencing a hostile work environment due to sexism are 1 in 4. They are trying to show pity to men who experience this but blatantly ignore that 96% percent of the perpetrators were men. Of the reported cases, over 19k men were responsible for this nightmare. The military says around 6% of all women in the military in 2018 had their lives ruined, and aaaaalmost 1% of men. The numbers compared to the entire military are technically small but they should not be happening at all. When you're more likely to be raped than be killed in combat it's an issue that needs to be taken seriously.

They have a zero tolerance policy set in place but when you do report it, if you seek justice you have to go before a military court and plead your case/provide definitive proof it happened. This means retelling your story multiple times over and over again, getting possibly ridiculed if the accused is someone many people know (which happened to me), having to possibly change the base you are stationed at and all the headache that comes with that, all the while having to continue working like nothing happened. Let's not forget doing the work of the investigators because they can't be bothered and are working with shit technology (each branch has their own unit of criminal investigators). This means many women will just keep the event quiet and not pursue justice. I have never experienced what it is like seeking justice outside of the military but I feel like its just as scream inducing. Sorry for the super long post, if you want to look for yourself look into sapr dot mil (Sexual Assault Prevention and Response office), defense dot gov, military dot com, or news outlets like the new york times and usa today. Despite the zero tolerance policy sexual crimes have been rising in the military. Ladies please stay away from the military.

No. 859239

update:

https://archive.is/https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/19/senate-democrats-propose-women-military-drafts-500153

>Senate Democrats are proposing a sweeping rewrite of the military draft laws aimed at requiring women to register for the Selective Service System, according to a draft authored by Senate Armed Services Chair Jack Reed and obtained by POLITICO.


>The changes to Selective Service could be attached to the National Defense Authorization Act, a defense policy bill that’s one of the few pieces of legislation considered a “must-pass” by Congress. The move would reignite a contentious debate over whether women should be required to register for the draft, a move the House and Senate have each considered in recent years, though the change has never become law.


I'm too old to be drafted, but gl.

No. 859267

>>859239
as some scrote on twitter said " Ill serve crack before i serve this country"

No. 859383

>>859239
you're over 45 on a underwater basket weaving forum?

No. 861692

>>859239
As a foreigner, is there any chance that this passes? We have actual conscription here and having Americans actually install the Draft for women too would be a really bad precedent. We have a lot of whining boys and men here complaining about conscription being male only and the last thing these entitled scrots need is more ammunition for their bitching.

No. 861698

>>859383
Ain't nothing wrong with that, hoe.

Nta, but carry on with your old ass anon. Balance out the absolute retard underage here.

No. 861706

Ha, joke's on them, I'm too stupid to serve.

No. 861716

>>861706
I don't think there is "too stupid to serve", didn't Muricans send a bunch of retarded guys in Vietnam to see what would happen? With predictable results if I remember correctly.

No. 861750

>>861716
yeah, I saw that in a movie once

No. 861752

>>861750
Forest Gump? I did think both Forest and Bubba being drafted looked like a reference to McNamara's Morons.

No. 877583

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>>680974
yep we have compulsory military service and girls can choose if they want or not, but boys must. But we also have patriotic youth paramilitary organizations for boys and girls, but also for men and women, old tradition. Here is some pictures about our women who beside their job and being wives and moms also are part of paramilitary unit. Yes we have main defence force run by government and then separately secondary organisation whats paramilitary. Don´t ask, its just Estonia being weird.
http://www.antoninosavojardo.it/estonia-paramilitary-women

No. 877600

>>861692
Some people think this is actually a sneaky way to get rid of the draft all together since conservatives don't want women in the draft

No. 877624

So I've never served in the military but I've had family members(Both male and female) who have and I'm someone who has practiced martial arts since I was a 7 years old. the way I see it most men and women are equal in 95% of activities but warfare is one of the few things one thing men are superior at, with the exception of Aerial warfare and central command, where women have shown to be equal(and in the case of Aerial warfare women have shown to have slightly higher scores on average then men) imo It makes zero sense for women to get conscripted. in terms of demographics are expandable, even though million of young men died in the world wars the Gender ratios were equal with in less then a generation, but in China where cause of the consequences of the One Child policy, China's still dealing with its unequal demographics and it likely won't be "normal" till about 2050

No. 877652

>>877583
I have to ask, what even is the point of Estonia having an army? Like, if Russian wants to invade, what are they going to do? Stall them for 10 minutes? Seems like a waste of time and money.

>>877600
But aren't liberals running American now? I thought Biden won. Also the naivety of these people, no country is getting rid of the draft, If attacked, any country is going to try to defend itself, thinking the draft is going away is utopian fantasy of children and child like thinking adults.

>>877624
I disagree on zero reason for us to get conscripted, I actually think it is vitally necessary for the abolition of gender, you can't have a genderless society when you put the massive expectation of fighting and dying on only one gender, but I won't insist on it, everyone can have their opinion. But I don't get what you mean "in term of demographics", of course the gender ration equalizes after a while, children are still born 50-50.

No. 877662

>>877652
I believe in equality for women and men, in rare instances where women were drafted was when all the young males had already died, in WW2 old men in their 60's as well as pre-pubescent boys along with women were being conscripted to fight the Nazis, you shouldn't have been in the situation in the first place, women, children and old people shouldn't be fighting in wars

No. 877665

>>877662
For children and old people I agree obviously, they are not capable of doing much, but I disagree about women. Other than special forces units that obviously need the best physically which will be 99% men, I absolutely believe young women should be drafted along with young men in times their country is attacked (and only in those times, defensive wars are the only wars that should include the draft, any politician that wants to draft people to send them to die abroad should be hanged immediately). I legit don't consider myself an equal to my male peers and it's mostly due to that, that they had to do a year or year and half (it depends here) of conscription and have that responsibility to go and fight and die if shit hits the fan. I am a radical feminist in the sense that I am a gender abolitionist. If I ask men to go and die for me to defend me and other women I am a hypocrite and I do not want to be one. I am fine dying in battle protecting my loved ones like any man, there is no pride in cowering behind boys that die for you, I hate that my country does this shit. And it is also one of the main reasons gender roles are still strong here, because there is no way in hell men will drop the gender shit since they see themselves as defenders of the country so deserving of special privileges, which is actually kind of true, not that it should, but if you go through with this shit, obviously you should be rewarded in some way compared to the people that didn't.

No. 877677

>>877665
Women suffer the worst during wars

No. 877682

Women should never get drafted. Scrotes are replaceable and should fight the stupid wars they are responsible for themselves. Go tear each other apart for all I care. Less scrotes = more happiness for women.

No. 877683

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>>877665
well I do think women should serve but not in traditional Infantry or special forces(not one woman has ever completed the US infantry course with male physical standards) and as I said women prefer slightly better then men in Ariel combat, there are other POG branches where women can serve alongside men

No. 877686

>>877677
Hello Hilary. Also no. Women obviously suffer rape when their nation is conquered, which if anything is another incentive to fight.

>>877682
>Random 18 year old boys are responsible for wars
Are you deranged anon? Also gross at the replaceable part, that is not a way to look at humans, it's disgusting.

>>877683
Well it might be because you are thinking of the American army I guess. In my country the army is basically (outside of special forces, which I agreed with you) a defensive force, so women can perform fine in infantry roles, since it's mostly mechanized and defensive position holding. No long marches with heavy weights and stuff, where men obviously have more capability, that's mostly special forces. I knew a girl who volunteered for the army and she did just fine, there are no real standards for conscripts, if you breathe you are good, that's what conscription is really.

No. 877697

>>877686
Listen I'm not a manhater in fact I have a boy of my own, I would feel awful if he ever got conscripted to die for a bunch of dumb politicians but it would be his duty, I don't think its sexist really
Its just the reality, wasting time and resources conscripting women in a net negative for everyone

No. 877700

>>877697
I-I can not understand how you have a son and can say those things anon. It would be his duty? You don't think it's sexist really? What on earth are you talking about? It is the damn definition of sexism and on something as terrible as suffering and dying a terrible death, let alone the crippling injuries and psychological trauma of surviving if he does survive. How can you see this as ok?

No. 877701

>>877686 women get raped and impregnated. Both are way worse than serving. Rope already scrote. If men truly didn't want war they wouldn't participate, let alone rape and otherwise torture kids and women. Yet they did just that since the dawn of time

No. 877702

>>877700
Its his responsibility if our nation ever came under danger, if ever in a real horrible war w

No. 877705

>>877701
Because during war they can get away with doing moid stuff way more easily than normally

No. 877709

>>877701
Civilians being victims of war crimes is not related to the conversation about whether women should serve in the army, also fuck off from here if you can't have a conversation without accusing others of being scrots. Also the overwhelming majority of soldiers don't rape and torture moron, they are conscripts, when you conscript men you conscript bob the average guy and Tom the serial killer and everyone in between. No shit some of them are violent psychopaths that will take advantage of the situation. The "dawn of time" argument is not even an argument, it's nonsense, you realise western society is massively different that it used to be, as are the people in it right?

>>877702
I understand it's his legal responsibility anon, I am arguing that it shouldn't, because this discrimination on the basis of sex is messed up and inherently sexist, something that I, as a gender abolitionist, disagree with on the most basic of principles.

>>877705
Yes anon, psychopaths can act like psychopaths when society breaks down, there is a reason war is hated in every decent society.

No. 877712

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No. 877713

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No. 877714

>>877712
>>877713
>War crimes during a genocide and ethnic against civilian women
You might have missed the theme of the thread, we are talking about if women should be drafted, the war crime thread is three doors down.

No. 877715

>>877701
women get raped by their colleagues in army too

No. 877716

>>877714
another scrote thinking he gotcha

No. 877718

>>877715
yes that happens ofc, the army is not exempt of criminals, if anything the army gets away with a lot of criminal behaviour, hazing rituals, rape, harassment. That harsher penalties and more accountability should be a thing is a given obviously. Rapists should be jailed for life imo.

>>877716
No idea what you are talking about, try using sentences next time if you want us to understand.

No. 877720

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There are thousands of stories like this

No. 877723

>>877720
>She keeps posting war crimes against civilians
You really can't read can you? Here I'll help, this is a conversation about whether women should be drafted. Try reading very slowly and you might get it.

No. 877735

>>877720
men are sick, my heart hurts

No. 877773

>>877718
>>877723
It's a scrote I'm telling you

No. 877826

>>877683
women are so delusional, the same men who this bitch thinks care about her have probably sexually assaulted or brutalised other women

No. 877895

Not getting drafted = fear of getting raped by enemies invading the country. Getting drafted by own country = fear of getting assaulted by own scrote comrades & enemies. Tbh fuck the greedy scrotes that are responsible for wars they can eat my stinky turds for all that I care.

No. 884751

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I actually think women should be drafted along men, especially after seeing the shit the men pulled in Afghanistan. Can you imagine your men just surrendering knowing what the Taliban will do to you and every other woman and girl in the coutnry?

If America (The Great Satan) had trained women instead of men they would have fought and won against the Taliban, they would have something to protect. I don't trust the scrots of my country to protect me, they are cowardly and won't give a fuck what happens to us, same as the Afghan scrots.

No. 884785

>>696907
I agree, modern day wars are different to how things were 100 years ago anyway. We can take up arm and defend our country and our autonomy over our bodies but it only postpones the inevitable. Governments seal the deal amongst themselves and there’s not much citizens can do about it.. As in Afghanistan, Murica funded the t…ban 50 years ago because commies bad, and when you add the rampant misogyny lurking in Afghan culture to the equation now t…ban rules the country and encourages parents to “gift” their daughters for lifelong rape & torture. Chi-na has already declared they are not opposing t…ban. Patriarchal society doesn’t give a shit about women’s health, rights or well being and if they will be the sellouts in exchange for the suffering for women and children..

It helps to learn self defense, shooting (if legal) and stock up on arms but does it change the inevitable fate?

It always makes me laugh when people pay tribute to the army, like they are some sort of saint but in reality a dangerous portion of them are sociopaths who would sexually assault “their” women and humanity isn’t alien to “ethnic cleansing” campaigns aka mass rapes and impregnation of women of the enemy. We all suffer, some more violently than others.

This is a dream but things won’t stop until all women in the world unite and free themselves from patriarchy.

No. 884807

>>884785
>T….ban
Why are you doing that here?

No. 884828

>>884751
this based nonnie gets it

No. 884864

>>884807
I don’t know the rules about this group on lolcow and I don’t want to be banned because I’m angry and I need to vent

No. 884873

>>884751
Based, fuck relying on men, I can protect my rights and my loved ones, the whole concept of men being the protectors in fucked up and it spreads from their roles as soldiers to the rest of society, only them being drafted needs to stop.

>>884864
Anon, no one is going to ban you for saying Taliban, you kind of came along as if straight from twitter.

No. 885100

>>884873
I used to hang out on /w and /s but not much on other forums. But nowadays I’m so upset about what’s going on and I have no idea about lolcow’s policy on speaking against Islam or Islamic groups so I wasn’t sure

No. 885105

>>885100
You can speak freely against ideologies here anon, especially now with the Taliban in the news. Here I'll show you.

FUCK ISLAM.

No. 885567

>>884751
It's America's fault Afghanistan is in the situation it is now in the first place.

No. 885612

>>885567
lolno it isn't. It's Islam's fault. American funded the taliban sure, but it's not their fault literally the entire male population of Afganistan are Muslims scrotes who enjoy dehumanizing women.

No. 885686

>>885105
FUCK ISLAM and fuck off Islamist scrotes.
Ah, cathartic.

No. 885726

>>885612
It’s both Islam’s and Murica’s fault.
Murica found the perfect weakness in Afghan society; Islam and deep rooted misogyny in their culture, then utilized it for their own benefit. The perfect manipulator. There are many Islamic countries in the world, and many Islamic scrotes, but few openly molest boys and find women “impure”:
https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secret-3176762.php

Islam, like so many other religions is a cult to oppress the society, especially women, keep people busy praying five times a day and to limit their education… this creates the perfect society which can be easily manipulated and controlled by the west. If you want to colonize a society and control their natural resources just spread the seeds of radical Islam and wait until the vast majority becomes uneducated scrotes who are too busy praying to think about what’s really happening or to invent the technology to save their own ass.

Oh don’t forget to cherry pick a few activists from this country who are lucky enough to be born to educated parents and parade them around in conferences and on Twitter to appease your guilt.

What grossed me out is Murica left behind the female doctors, journalists, artists and activists in Afghanistan to be violently murdered by the scrotes. The evacuation should be better planned and these brilliant women should be granted asylum in select western countries. Their men? Leave them behind to rot in the hell that they created.

No. 885760

>>885567
Why should the US fight a war that Afghans themselves couldn't be bothered fighting?

Afghan men let the Taliban take everything without any pushback and then tried to flee the country. And then they have the nerve to whine "everyone abandoned us!" - they happily fled while leaving their women and children to be tortured and raped.

Islamic men are the problem. Shame on them.

No. 885783

this thread is a great reminder that women can be as awful as men

No. 885801

>>885783
How so?

No. 885868

>>885783
How so?
Every scrote is screeching for Taleba to kill the women they hate because they are insecure little shits.
Even the nastiest bitch on lolcow feels sympathetic towards Afghan women and wishes they could be rescued.

No. 885934

My father was conscripted in the Maavoimat(Army) around the 80s. My dad's description of conscript life was him hanging out with his friends, trips to the library, driving a tank and a lot of exercise, of course there was a fear of USSR Invasion but the way he described it was mostly kinda mundane, like University life but replace learning with exercise and militarily drills
I feel like if conscript life was just like my father described, It could be kinda enjoyable and I wouldn't complain
I'd love to make new friends, learn some skills, I could use the exercise but I wouldn't wanna go to war or even enter conflict zones

No. 885936

men and their wars are stupid. i wish i could sent all of our shitty scrotes to afghanistan in exchange for the women and children there. then i would build a wall around us. the scrotes then can fight each other till no ones left. world peace achieved.

No. 885962

i have a hard time believing westerners actually give a shit about the women in afghanistan. also i'm pretty sure that most of them think western women are depraved whores and would rather side with their men over you.

>>885801
>>885868
the constant dehumanization of middle eastern men (yeah ik afghanistan isn't in the middle east technically but who cares, it's a dumbass term to begin with).

in another thread, a couple of anons were excusing lynndie england, and some only thought she was a war criminal bc of the female victims. something is deeply wrong with you bitches.

No. 885970

>>885962
The Taliban are putting women in burqas again and you worry about anons on Lolcow dehumanizing middle eastern men? Interesting priorities.

No. 885974

>>885962
Er wasn’t it just one sperg mentioning her?

No. 885976

>>885970
there's nothing i can do about women being oppressed in another continent so yeah ofc

>>885974
yep but i'm talking about the replies as well

No. 885980

>>885976
Are you referring to the post in the unpopular opinion thread? because the replies to that post are calling anon out except for one.

No. 885986

>>885980
yes but they're only calling them out bc women were involved as well.

No. 886030

>>885962
> the constant dehumanization of middle eastern men
Who cares? They’re the ones killing and raping women and children because their dicks are useless and all they got is tard strength.
I don’t see why talking shit about shit men is huwtful to them since I’m pretty sure they can’t even read anything of what’s being posted in here, which isn’t exactly the first place that people go to in order to form their opinions about foreigners.
So go back to Twitter and cry about their wrinkly musty dicks being dehumanized, who knows? Maybe you will get some asspats.

No. 886042

>>886030
why are you taking it so personally? i'm sorry to interrupt your circle jerking about how awful and evil all sand apes are (only the males though, teehee), but you'll find out that thinking that an entire ethnic group shouldn't be vilified doesn't mean i support the taliban!

and why bring up penises, that's so weird lmao. are you trying to tell us something, nonny?

No. 886047

>>886042
>how awful and evil all sand apes
You're the only one dehumanizing MENA people.

No. 886048

>>886047
are you legitimately retarded? i was obviously not being serious.

No. 886052

>>886048
No one else is using such disgusting slurs. We are just hating on violent men like usual.

No. 886054

>>886052
maybe you didn't. anyways, i'm not autistic enough to compile screenshots so believe what you want.

No. 886081

>>885868
>Every scrote is screeching for Taleba to kill the women they hate because they are insecure little shits.
4chan is not representative of men at large. Also most of these retards are trolling. Western men are shit, but not that shit.

No. 886083

>>885934
What you are describing is basically the scouts anon, we have that here in Greece too. It is very very different from conscription though. Conscription isn't fun, only fanatic nationalist men here find it fun, everyone else does anything they can to avoid it, I know guys that started a drug habit to be found incapable, it's a fucked up system.

No. 886088

>>885962
>Defending Muslim men
>Now of all times
Dehumanizing your enemy is a natural and good way to prepare for conflict. Muslim men hate us and want to take away our natural given rights. I will dehumanize them all I want and will advise every woman here to do the same, they are a plague and must not be allowed to come to the West. The ones already here should be sent back. My freedom and those of the rest of my countrywomen is not negotiable. I have seen their birth rates, they are only relatively quiet because they are still few, but this won't last. I will not leave a country with sizable Muslim population for my daughter and granddaughter to deal with, I don't care if I have to vote for the far right.

No. 886089

>>885962
Middle eastern men are subhuman.
t. middle eastern woman

No. 886092

>>886088
ty for being more honest than the rest but you will never have your ethnostate

>>886089
>as a black man,
make sure you don't procreate then

No. 886094

>>886092
I already have an ethnostate, my efforts are towards maintaining it. You and your cancerous inbred cousins on the other hand will never root in Europe, even the Swedes will rebel eventually, see you in 20 years when the cleansing starts.

No. 886096

>>886094
you are my favorite type of white woman :^)(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 886098

>>886092
>wahhh you can't be a real middle eastern woman if you hate the men who abuse you, try to control your life and leave you behind in a warzone!!!
Fuck off, liberal scum.

No. 886102

>>886098
liberals are known for loving middle eastern people! also little reminder that sandnegritas will also be wiped out during the white revolution. yes, even if you're ~one of the good ones~.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 886104

>>886092
I'm Pakistani, I literally hade 30% of the men in my country and think they should be geocoded, the others are rural illiterate peasants so I don't hate them that much, and also their good looking
I think they should be reeducated and taught Communism

No. 886109

>>886104
why is it that pakis and pajeets can't properly speak english despite being colonized by the british for multiple decades(racebaiting)

No. 886110

unironic racism. wow, so edgy. kys.

No. 886115

>>886114
you can just bomb those neighborhoods just like you did to their home countries.

No. 886116

>>886088
Agreed, I wouldn't care if they integrated, but they all move into the same neighborhood and refuse to integrate, and police won't even go there. Little sharia neighborhoods how fun.

No. 886117

>>886102
Lmao you've gotta be American to be this bipartisan. I don't like liberals because most of them ignore womens struggles if they're being caused by their precious men of colour, so that means I'm on the side of "white revolution"? You are an absolute bundle of joy, anon.

No. 886120

>>886096
Thank you anon, I appreciate it.

No. 886123

>>886117
you can whine as much as you want but in the eyes of everyone else, you're still a muzzie lol. >>886088

>>886116
i know right, how dare those semitic subverters impose their culture, religion and values on native europeans. we should treat them like the invaders they are.

>>886120
what country are you from?

No. 886125

>>886123
A European one, I don't intend to doxx myself.

No. 886127

>>886116
It's the men that force the women to live like that, but the result is the same unfortunately.

No. 886129

>>886125
nobody will be able to doxx you by only knowing your country, just give out a general area.

>>886127
i don't know if you are aware but in the west, women have the same rights as men. no man can force any woman to 'live like that'. that's what their women want, to be treated like animals.

No. 886131

>>886123
>i know right, how dare those semitic subverters impose their culture, religion and values on native europeans. we should treat them like the invaders they are.
Yeah it's not like they traffick and rape "western whores" by hiding in those neighborhoods. Or go around acting like literal dogs after a piece of meat towards women on the street. Or using the lib logic and slandering you as islamophobic if you don't bow down to them in school/work.

No. 886133

>>886129
>that's what their women want, to be treated like animals.
someone put this scrote back in his cage

No. 886135

>>886131
what's your solution to that problem? deporting them all? sending them to re-education camps? sterilizing the males? genuinely curious.

>>886133
nope, i'm very much a lady! have you ever interacted with muslim women?

No. 886136


No. 886138

>>886083
I'm saying if there a type of conscripting where I just mostly repaired Humvees or trucks in our home countries and never have to enter any combat Zones, I'd be fine with it

No. 886139

>>886129
Fine, I am Greek, I am just a bit paranoid about my anonymity. Also come on, Muslim women are the victim here. They are retarded for still being Muslim, but they are basically brainwashed victims, it's not their fault.

>>886135
NTA but
>deporting them all?
yes. Easy solution.

>have you ever interacted with muslim women?

Unfortunately and I have seen how brainwashed they are considering they support Islam as women. It's like Red Pilled Wives.

No. 886147

>>886139
>greek
>white
yeah ok now i get why you didn't want to tell me. jokes aside, you described your country as an ethnostate, is there really no refugee crisis over there?

>but they are basically brainwashed victims

aren't the males brainwashed as well? where does the religious indoctrination start? and would you deport them by ethnicity or religion?

No. 886149

>>886139
But they have no choice but to support islam, unless they want to die

No. 886150

>>886088
>I don't care if I have to vote for the far right
This is the choice that women are going to be forced to make in the future. Life under sharia law in a islamic state or life under the far right in a fascist state. Hitler had better views of women than islam so I know who I'll be voting for.

No. 886154

What in the racebait is going on here?

No. 886157

>>886154
Islam isn't a race.

No. 886161

>>886147
No offense taken, also there is a crisis, but we mostly have them in the camps. There are unfortunately a lot of these men roaming Athens, but it's mostly contained there and they are obviously not part of society, just pests to us and tourists. Most we give nationality so they can go be Germany's problem, but so many many more are coming from Turkey. I hope we can hold them off like we did last time, but this time the watermelon seller seems determined enough to make them cross through the minefields.

And well yeah, the males are brainwashed too, but being brainwashed to be the master is a bullshit excuse, it's really easy to believe and not an excuse. Being brainwashed to be a victim is just sad. I started as a leftist trying to help these people and I don't know where I am politically now.

>>886149
Oh I am not talking about the women there, I was talking about the women that come here and still go on about Islam and how great it is and raise their children in the same way. Ofc I get why women in the ME would act like they are Muslim.

>>886150
Why can't I have a normal leftist party that is not insane and self destructive and that understands that you can't tolerate the intolerant?

>>886154
>Islam
>race
back to elementary school with you.

No. 886164

>>886150
Liberal "men in your bathrooms, legal prostiution, and sharia law" or conservative "be a breeder bangmaid for subpar scrote, also go to work too because conservative moids are lazy too".

No. 886165

>>886157
You aren't slick.

No. 886166

>>886164
It's so fucking tiring.

No. 886167

>>886161
ah, you have to deal with turks. my sincerest condolences.

No. 886172

>>886165
I'm not trying to be. Islam is a religion, like Christianity is a religion. People of many different races can follow the same religion. Maybe you just look at muslims and see brown people instead of recognising them as individuals with different ethnicities and cultures.

No. 886174

>>886167
It's a terrible thing, these people just can't let us go. We are one of the last of the (relative) developed countries that have conscription and spend tons of money on weaponry because these warmongers keep threatening to attack us and murder us all, mentioning the (totally not real) genocide they committed last time. Anons here defending these people don't know what they are talking about.

No. 886555

>>886129
>>886102
I think a scrote is amongst us and he must be from the nazi pagan Twitter. Go back to placentaverse dude. We neither want you or the rapey Afghan men, I wish there was a way to send you back to live with them in exchange of bringing back the Afghan women here to safety

No. 886564

>>886147
Scrote, you obviously are from the nazi pagan Twitter who hates on south Europeans and doesn’t accept them as true Europeans. GTFO and go back to placentaverse

No. 886567

>>886555
>>886564
pagans are known for loving semitic people and their religions lol stfu dumbass and stop samefagging. also wtf is placentaverse i don't wanna google

No. 886569

>>886567
Did you even read the second part of that scrote’s post

No. 886572

>>>/snow/603226

Anything related to Nazi pagans, “muh native north Europeans” and placentaverse

No. 886575

>>886569
you mean my post? what's wrong with it? and what is it about my typing that makes me come across as a male? i want to know fr

No. 886578

>>886154
Yeah this thread easily went from “let’s save poor Afghan women from the Afghan men” to “muh native Europeans will win”

No. 886581

>>886578
both will always reach the same conclusion

No. 886586

>>885936
>>885760
Seriously. We need to help only the women refugees. Let the men die there. Why are they even running away from fighting and defending their country? Do they think this will not have a backlash? islam spreads like a virus

No. 886654

>>886096
Obvious scrote

No. 886655

>>886654
Isn't everyone, deep down, a scrote?



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