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>>527839 >>521746 >>525445 Share tips, local updates, vent about people coughing on each other, etc
WHO:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reportsCDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.htmlSome twitter account with a lot of Corona related updates:
https://twitter.com/bnodeskTorrent for Survival PDFs in case you want to go full doomer mode: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9889a43717fd93c95993552f817ced652a74e63e&dn=Survival%20Guide%20PDFs%20%5B8.1.2019%20Update%5D
No. 531283
>>531212Okay, dumbass question here. Can finance anons redpill me?
>stonk crash>unemployment to the roof>cases not slowing downWhy the fuck is the USD value going up? And is the claims how its gonna be worse than 2008 true?
No. 531392
>>531373To be honest, thew very few times Pence has gotten to speak during this conferences, his lesser of two evils seems better right now. Kill off Trump and it honestly seems like Pence might actually do a better job at this right now. I dont know about other anons but hes just backing everything Trump is saying but in the background he honestly looks fucking pissed off at everything he keeps saying. And Fauci NEEDS to be in every covid press conference to stop trumo from saying shit.
We literally just had our first deaths from two old people just wanting to believe this malaria drug he keeps toting works and now one is dead and his wife will probably die in ICU because people trust what Trump says over a fucking doctor!
No. 531418
>>531413I'm in UK and lock down went into effect yesterday so this is how funerals will be during this. No closure. No goodbyes to your loved ones if they go to hospital. The uncle still had his phone but that wouldn't be the same.
I started distancing about 2 weeks ago from everyone. My mum was mad I wouldn't go back to her house for this but she's over 60 and I can't risk being the one to give her the illness since I've been in contact with more people. We're getting told by our local politicians lock down going to be longer than 3 weeks
No. 531435
>>5314172 with 2 immune disorders:
>1 - thyroid, rheumatoid, fluid permanently in lungs, scoliosis>1 - thyroid, lupus, carries RA gene, has asthma too3 with asthma
>1 - so bad needs a breathing machine constantly this time of year> 1 - only has asthmaWe have 4 of us, only 2 of us have just asthma, but one has is really really bad. The other two of us, meaning me as one, are high high risk. My mother has it worse. My father doesn't live with us and he has COPD, cellulitis, black lung, breathing machine asthma. Grandparents both over 70, one is 97 and was getting blood transfusions every month for the past 3 years right now, so… Tbh.
My sister will probably be the only one to live if we didnt catch it and we are still succeptable to it.
No. 531449
>>531435 > >1 - thyroid, rheumatoid, fluid permanently in lungs, scoliosis>1 - thyroid, lupus, carries RA geneWas wondering as I've lupus too and have seen people watering down the term since this whole thing started, thinking anything below peak fitness is being immunocompromised.
Did they offer corona testing to any of you based on your underlying conditions? I know there's a shortage of tests in some countries but with conditions like that you'd really hope to be tested
No. 531499
>>531435There's no indication thyroid disorders (auto-immune or not) make you more susceptible that I've seen - if anyone else is worried about that in particular since thyroid diseases are very common. I hope your family pulls through, anon.
Norway is now looking into possibly tracking peoples movements through their phones in a new app they're developing which.. I can get in these times but still. Creepy. The times we fucking live in.
No. 531503
>>531499Anon.
My levels are not stable. I am at risk. Shut the fuck up unless you're studying this as a doctor because mine told me to stay home due to that and my lupus.
No. 531508
>>531505Im feeling calmer at last about the situation. Im only going out once a week for groceries and people actually seemed to be respecting the two metre space thing at the supermarket. Food stocks are good. The limit of items is working.
It's shite not going out and not knowing when i see my sig other next, but I'm starting to believe this isn't going to rule the world as long as I'd thought.
My friend's got the virus and feels hideous, but she isn't worsening. Apart from burning lungs and fatigue her thirst is driving her insane. Mutual friends in london have had it milder and theyre recovering. I'm not hearing of any other mutuals catching it and it feels like the peaks happening and then it'll start to ease off.
Feel guilty for feeling optimistic.
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Anyone know where the gov are getting our phone numbers from?
No. 531524
>>531509am i the only one peeved by that stupid "stay at home. protect nhs. save lives." tagline? google's 1st page has it too.
overall no offence to the panicking anons and poeple overall but idgi the panic. neither have i had to make much changes to my routine as am a social recluse and an essential worker anyway. some of my plans fell thru for the summer and am feeling isolated but that's kinda the default feel anyway. am kinda happy about all the online sales also kek. just wish people would stop fucking stockpiling already, so annoying going to the shops at the crack of the dawn just to get some food like.
No. 531556
>>530873tbf most industries operate like this.
>>531283If you want more info on the financial aspect I suggest reading ZeroHedge.
>>531288Inflation's been happening for decades though. The death of the dollar's been happening gradually over a long period of time.
No. 531557
>>531499>Norway is now looking into possibly tracking peoples movements through their phones in a new app they're developing which.. I can get in these times but still. Creepy. I've heard this method is being worked on in other countries too, like the US. If it were guaranteed to stay
optional that would be one thing but it's not likely that would be the case. Sounds too much like police state horseshit and they can go fuck themselves with that. I say good luck enforcing it and acting more like China's government, because we definitely could use more of that idiocy on this planet.
No. 531567
>>531564this so much
they've basically confirmed that almost anything you have with covid is something you can experience with a flu, cold, sinus or respiratory infection etc
the only time to really start panicking is if you start losing your breath
stay calm if you have any other symptoms because nothing can be done in most of those cases right now anyway
panic can make you literally feel like you are dying, i would know
No. 531587
>>531503I could definitely see how your lupus diagnosis is bad in this situation.
>>531505I was told not to worry by my own doctor and have seen several other people with thyroid disorders who were told the same. I was literally just trying to help anyone who might be anxious. Everyone should of course go ask their doctor to be safe because only they can look at your overall personal health factors.
No. 531589
>>531400Not a bad idea at all. Trump stans would erroneously call it censorship, but they don't trust the news media to begin with. Running prerecorded briefings interspersed with fact-checking would be cool too.
>>531283The value of USD (like Yen and Swiss francs) often rises in times of global crisis. USD is a relatively safe form of wealth to hold. When investors want to risk as little as possible, there's a higher demand for USD, which appreciates the dollar. Stonks crash because MNCs want those safe, safe greenbacks.
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>>531506Disclaimer so I don't feel guilty: This is not intended to replace the medical advice of a treating professional. Ask your doctor– I know I did!
For brevity's sake, I won't go into nuances: narcolepsy is not an autoimmune disease.
For those who do have autoimmune diseases, or are just curious:
Autoimmune diseases are characterized by
hyperactive immune systems. For example, as a rheumatoid arthritis anon, my blood attacks my joints. (Mo' nuance mo' problems.) RA in and of itself can increase one's risk of infection, but… as far as doctors know now, not by much. Treating RA with necessary immunosuppressive/immunomodulatory drugs increases one's risk of infection significantly. Those who use such drugs are certainly considered to be immunocompromised. Those who don't, aren't (unless we're immunocompromised for another reason.)
The CDC Yellow Book splits conditions, medications, etc. associated with the immune system into lists according to severity. It's not exhaustive, or written for this purpose, but it could be of interest if you're worried you may be immunocompromised:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/yellowbook/2020/travelers-with-additional-considerations/immunocompromised-travelers No. 531616
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10:23 p.m. White House and Senate reach deal on $2 trillion emergency stimulus package: The Trump Administration and Senate reached a deal on a massive stimulus package meant to pour money into an economy battered by the coronavirus, The Washington Post reported. According to the Post, the legislation would provide $1,200 checks to many Americans, set aside $500 billion for cities, states and industries, and devote $367 billion for loans to small businesses. Congress will speed the bill through both houses without formal hearings, the report says.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-news-bay-area-15151165.phpPresumably the Post article mentioned above:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/>>531610Hey, you're welcome! I, too, have a neurological sleep disorder (DSPD,) so we're basically sistren.
No. 531628
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On Sunday a doctor on tv said that the equipment in her hospital will only last for a week. Then they say that french and italian patients are brought to get treated in Germany. Okay, helping is important but nevertheless… Now this. Wtf is wrong with them? How can you "lose" that?
No. 531633
>>531628That´s Germany for you. And I must say that while i find it perfectly ok and fair that we are helping people within the EU, I sure as fuck hope that America is shelling out some big bucks for those tests.
And as far as the masks go, it is fairly obvious what happened: They never were delivered. Looks like someone else knew about this deal and decided to pay more than Germany had agreed to.
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Prince Charles has tested positive
No. 531682
>>531679I think as you said that moneys going straight to rent. We also need to know how they plan to give the money is it in increments of 25/100/all at once between 1 week/2/1 month? That could change how people spend it.
Also I feel the law should have been fleshed out a bit more by individual states, even if it took longer, because in tech hot spots like LA 1,250 will not get you far while in poorer areas 75K is middle class. I do wonder how this will hit LA and other places with crazy high rent. Did they get rid of "based off of 2018 tax returns" thing though?
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I keep seeing people posting disgusting shit like this. This guy in particular keeps showing up in Twitter posts I see about COVID-19. Too bad these types don't follow their own rationality and off themselves.
No. 531694
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this young girl killed herself due to self-isolation overwhelming her.
imagine dying and and your family 'honour' you by telling a tabloid your worst secret. this is mad disrespectful imo
you deserved better, Emily
my worst fear is dying and my mum telling everyone my business to a fucking tabloid:
>anon had severe cystic acne in high school>anon had a gay bf in sixth form>anon was obese in her freshman year of collegehttps://metro.co.uk/2020/03/25/teenager-19-kills-fears-will-stuck-inside-coronavirus-12453434/ No. 531696
>>531695Personally, im going nuts from isolation and having nothing do, even being an introvert.
Confination is REALLY horrible for anyone's mental health, and neuroatypical people handle it even worse, thats why solitary confiment is reserved only for the worst criminal offenders, it will erode your brain in the worst ways.
It won't surprise me if depressed, autistic or schizo people start offing themselves.
No. 531697
>>531690I hate it when people talk like this. There's a sociopathic level of disconnect. Like it's fine to them if a few million others die so long as they got theirs, because other people are expendable but not themselves. If overpopulation is such an issue, then why don't they be the first to volunteer to neck themselves? Oh right, because they're special and consider themselves superior than most everyone else. It's the deemed
inferiors who need to die.
It's one thing to not have children if they think it's bad for the environment, but suggesting other people have to die is bullshit. No wants wants to die for the greater good who wouldn't do the same themselves.
>>531689There's no specific mention.
No. 531700
>>531697Do you think everyone is equal?
If it kills the old, the genetically unhealthy and the odd young person, isn't that just a more efficient form of eugenics?
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>>531694I'm more biased to believe she had some other mental illness that warped her perception of healthy attention or how to cope with not receiving positive attention. Their narrative doesn't add up. She doesn't exactly fit the mold of loner autist struggling to fit in to social norms, it looks like she was acutely aware of them. Not gatekeeping autism btw, it just seems more characteristic of a paranoid or histrionic personality. Not that it matters.
Most autistic and aspie friends I know are doing fine.
No. 531705
>>531695Autistic people are know for loving ritual and are irritated when it's broken. Corons broke her ritual so she'd be on the edge for a while. This is speculation, but from the way her mom is acting she was most likely kind of a grating or
abusive person to be around. Being stuck with a shitty mom, isolated, and your routine broken all at once can push you over the edge
No. 531707
>>531690>6.5 mill less people means allot more jobs openWhat is this fool saying, the people who are dying aren't even part of the work force. Generally speaking.
>>531694This whole story is weird, why would a girl with autism who has trouble fitting in feel suicidal when she gets a break from being around people? Doesn't make sense. She sounds like a normal social person who couldn't handle isolation.
No. 531708
>>531695>i don't know, this sounds like some anti-lockdown propaganda disguised as a sentimental, mental health awareness piece. My exact thoughts. I'm so tired of all these physically/mentally "disabled" twitterfags and tumblrinas whining. Before corona they were constantly complaining that healthy/normal people live life on easy mode and don't cater to them and now when everybody has to make sacrifices for people who are really ill/old they can't cope with the fact that they're no longer the biggest
victims.
Quarantines just started, it's not like people have been shut in for months. Have this people never been so sick that they had to stay at home for a week? It really is no big deal so far. It's said if that suicide really happened, but you really can't blame it on that.
The same people advocating for a stop of quarantine because mental health are probably the same ones who say old people dying is just natural selection…
Being home alone is still vastly better than being a nurse whovs literally risking her life right now.
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>>531710i mean, no offense but her ig is like half her ass and her facebook is mostly complaining about how euro 2020 and how events and the summer is 'cancelled'. i don't get the feeling this had anything to actually do with autism or just needing a basic threshold of socialization to feel okay.
No. 531715
>>531709Bitch, what do you want me to do? This is neither my nor anybody else's fault. We're all in on this together.
I'm not a neet, but nevertheless won't be feeling sorry for all those people who can't cope now, it's not like you ever cared about more introverted people having to force themselves to be social 24/7 all their lifes either (because let's face it, you will never have success socially and in terms of work when you don't try to act as outgoing as possible). Now you are the ones who need to learn to adapt to situations that make you deeply uncomfortable.
No. 531722
>>531718Hopefully the government will provide strict and clear guidance on essential work in the next couple days in the UK, it does seem like that's where they are going.
Honestly anon you should value your life more than minimum wage non-essential job, which is easier said than done in some circumstances I understand.
But I would just say to your employer that you have symptoms and you need to self isolate and hopefully by the time your isolation period is over the government will have deemed your work officially non-essential anyways.
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>>531628Been hearing similar news lately.
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I wonder what will happen to people with drug addictions or substance abuse problems. Suddenly going cold turkey could leave them irritated, sick, and they might even die, iirc a lot of drug programs recommend slowly lowering does instead of cold turkey for heavy users. I feel even worse for kids. Imagine being stuck with your irritated alcohol detoxed dad
No. 531730
>>531725Not really the same thing but I've been trying to quit my daily weed habit and while not having withdrawals it's been hard because it's a habit and my life is very stressful right now on top of everything else. Anyone else trying to kick a smoking habit? I don't want pneumonia but I'm having a very hard time quitting completely especially while quarantined with an
abusive asshole.
No. 531731
>>531730I hate to be a bad influence, but nope. Weed is one thing that keeps me sane under usual circumstances. While I'm not "addicted" to it, I would just feel pretty bummed if I ran out and couldn't get more from my dealer.
Right now I work from home and have enough groceries for weeks, I'm not concerned because I don't have to leave. It's more about staving off boredom and sleeping well.
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No. 531758
>>531751good
>>531748what do you mean? if there are witnesses or recording, i could easily see it falling under battery charges like spitting is, as saliva and respiratory droplets are dispersed when coughing. if your spit is maliciously and intentionally spread to a person = battery
No. 531762
>>531758I mean I live in an already quiet town and with all this happening it's even quieter out, there were no witnesses.
I imagine the fucker wouldn't be so brave if there were
No. 531770
>>531694yeah like the others said, i dont know that i believe isolation had anything to do with it
in these times its most common for people to kill themselves due to financial loss, or fear of the diseases/guilt at the thought of spreading it to other people or having other people worrying about them etc
id never say never but idk
No. 531777
Someone explain to this retard NEET why people are complaining about not gettin paid at work but
continuing to go to work ??
>>531689Guess not. getting fucked as always…
No. 531781
>>531778Or because they could be terminated for absenteeism/non compliance which would disqualify them from collecting unemployment, same for voluntarily quitting. There's no meaningful job market right now aside from being a grocery deliverer. and those people are gonna drop from corona and don't even get hazard pay. Tons of people are unemployed right now and our government isn't promising much of shit to help people. At least if they continue to work, there is hope for payment in the future and that they'll still have a paying job after corona.
No one is there to help these people. They don't have families and a government that tells them they're gonna get free money coasting by on being NEETs.
No. 531782
>>531694I have high functioning autism and the sudden change in routine is something I can imagine a lot of autistic people are really struggling with right now.
The elderly-hours being implemented in stores mean I can't shop during the quietest hours anymore and it sounds snowflakey as fuck but I'm overwhelmed by the smallest shit like that. Autistic people crave routine and predictability. I can see how this snowballed in her mind.
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>>531781>Tons of people are unemployed right now and our government isn't promising much of shit to help people. At least if they continue to work, there is hope for payment in the future and that they'll still have a paying job after corona.This is why I haven’t left my job yet.
No. 531786
>>531781I wouldn’t exactly call being poor because you’re disabled and denied work coasting by but ok.
But if everyone quit working at the place that isn’t paying, wouldn’t they be forced into paying or the government forced to do something? Idk it just seems kind of like a retarded problem that could be easily fixed by revolt, and since so many are struggling it seems like a good time
No. 531789
>>531782Literally SAME anon, I’m about to go to the store and be like I have autism let me buy fucking wine and leave please. I cannot deal with people being so fucking close to me in the store. I also only go to the store at 7 am and now I can’t! I could totally see how this girl freaked the fuck out because uh yeah. Same.
>>531694Also a lot of people don’t realize with ASD you can love going out, you can definitely be an extrovert and not seeing your friends could be a break in your routine. Maybe she went to the gym every morning and couldn’t any more for example. Just because she posted booty pics doesn’t mean she didn’t get overwhelmed by loud noises or something. Maybe she just spiraled from over thinking. either way that is very sad that she took her own life. Super embarrassing her parents blasted her on the news though, I HATE when my family tells people I’m autistic or try to justify what I do with ASD.
No. 531823
>>531725It depends on what they are withdrawing from and how high their wire is, really. If it´s something like coaine or meth the withdrawels are psychological and the most common symptoms are going to be depression and fatigue. If it´s something like alcohol, benzos or opiates, the withdrawels will be psychological as well as physical, and with alcohol and benzos they can be quite dangerous, even fatal if people start to have cramps and seizures. Opioid withdrawel is almost never fatal in healthy people, but it can surely feel like it is. As a long-term user of opioids myself, I am incredibly happy to be on methadone and no longer using any street drugs. The idea that one could be stuck in lockdown with no way to get more dope is absolutely terrifying. My heart goes out to all the people who have to go through this. Then again, having to cold turkey at home would still be a million times preferable to having to do it in jail, which many people are also forced to do on a regular basis. At least at home you can stick to your own schedule, have your own bathroom, and you aren´t surrounded by strange assholes. But it would still be hell nonetheless.
No. 531826
>>531618Hey, it's the American way. You should see what it's like in the military contractor sector.
I'm hoping this will all change after this. There was no excuses for our healthcare to be this way.
No. 531829
>>531786Americans are too pussy to do anything in mass and that's why they never get shit done. None of them bother protesting against the ridiculous housing prices but just happily shake their head and hand in their 1500 dollars for their studio apartment with a broken toilet. Nobody chooses to quit their shitty jobs where they're paid 100 a week while being expect to have an apartment and everything in between, nobody bothers protesting against their trillion dollars student debt, their thousands of dollars worth of medical bills over a common cold, nothing, they just nod, smile, and go in debt and don't even bat an eye, and that's why change never happens
>>531781And getting a job in America, even a low paying no skill type job, is a pain in the ass
No. 531844
>>531837I most certainly hope not, nationalism is one of the worst things that can happen to society, it creeps me out thinking it could ressurge with full force.
>>531839Just ew.
No. 531850
>>531842Not trying to fear monger anon, but the reality is, most people are gonna get this I think. Im pretty sure I have it and Im pretty much a recluse who is EXTREMELY germaphobic. I never touch surfaces other people touch barehanded unless I can wash my hands immediately after. I worked in retail and we were two days into the week, days after other states had started shutting down and telling people to quarantine. I live with my parents, and we babysit my 3 year old niece almost every day(up until this week). My dad works at the airport, and my mom is a stay at home mom but she went to the store many times within the last month, mostly panic buying. No mask or anything. My sister works at a bank and my brother in law are in real estate and are both still working. So me being careful for myself, did absolutely nothing unfortunately. Im just having to ride it out and hope and pray my parents dont get sick. Im the anon whos only symptom so far has been a crushing weight in my chest and feeling like i have a thick mucus or phleme like substance stuck in my throat/upper chest. My suggestion to you is just to stay clean, drink water and orange juice. Eat citrus. Go outside and get sunshine. Maybe buy some vitamin supplements (B, C, and D are what you need most for your immune system) and zinc.
No. 531868
>>531855It breeds a huge Us Versus Them mentality that opens doors to extremist views and actions, if someone doesn't fit the group they will get ostracized, any minority is basically fucked under nationalist regimes, Its not even wow second holocaust, but even small things like being denied service on restaurants or getting socially excluded in school or work are already problems.
First its problem from other countries that are the problem, then people who don't look the ethnnic majority, then people who don't have traditional relationships aka The Gays, then religious group We do not approve of.
Nationalism historically has always snowballed into extremism, just as communism snowballs to totalitarianism.
The basis of nationalism is We Stick Together as a Group. But who is We? Who do you consider part of your group?
No. 531876
>American people are very spirited, very willing to fight and protest. Black lives matter, woman’s march, and May Day are all recent examples.
Black lives matter was a while ago and none of these accomplished anything, every single American is crying about rent prices, tax, low wages, low hours, student debt, companies refusing full time, healthcare, etc. Things that matter and affect everyone except for insanely rich people who don't care about throwing millions down the drain. The most they'll do is cry on the internet, never accomplish anything. The ones who aren't afraid to protest are always protesting over dumb shit like not being able to say fuck on the radio, not getting 15/hr at McDonald's, and so on. The only times they did something right is protesting against police brutality and racism within prison sentencing but that quickly got shut down but Malcom x type folk who just want to beat up white people
No. 531884
>>531868it's a government's duty to put its people above persecuted chinese covid19-infected refugees and causing an outbreak in the country.
it's not that deep to figure out who "its people" are.
No. 531889
>>531887>>531873Again this really seems retarded. Going to work unpaid for the hope that what? They will pay you back pay? And if you don’t you’re clearly not going to do anything about it then, either. Is it just the hope that they will resume paying at all later and you’ll just return to the same happy bs as before? You’re really gonna lick boots like that?
Do you really think that all the laid off people are going to stay unemployed forever and that the government can just ignore it? When everyone stops paying their rent what are they gonna do? Have thousands and thousands of people on the streets? Like srs what are people afraid of
No. 531893
>>531889I never said to go to work if you aren’t being paid, all I ever said through this thread of conversation was, 1. Americans aren’t complacent, we protest here etc.
2. There are too many ideas for us to adequately get anything done. I accidentally took the conversation off track when talking about the complacencies of Americans without thinking about the original topic of “going to work if you’re not getting paid”.
Let’s be real though, again TOO many different people and mindsets to get us going in all one straight arrow direction of fighting for one thing. You want to riot for workers rights, then Timmy over there is gonna be like “uh well I think woman shouldn’t work at all!! I’m gunna riot for THAT!” That is what I view as the real clogging of the system. Everyone has an idea, some are similar, but all of us will always want different things and outcomes no matter what.
No. 531913
>>531910
Ah yes, the millions of people getting on planes from China even after quarantines were put in place(which was well documented as it was happening on various sites where people were actually paying attention before shit hit the fan in their own backyard), and not being checked at all by any sort of airport or border medical team, free to just go wherever as a mass, doesnt count either! Because we didnt double down on security and medical testing at ALL during the outbreak of Ebola, and didnt monitor people coming out of affected areas despite it clearly being less contagious than COVID. Oh thats right we did. Because we dont trade with African countries the way we do China. We dont outsource every fucking aspect of our daily lives to Africa the way we do with China. So its totally not racist when we do proper protocol with Africa, but it TOTALLY is when we do it with China because like….muh cheap underaged girl slave labor, muh medical supplies, muh toilet paper that we cant even make ourselves because it would require us to actually pay people, muh economy!!!11 The reality is, countries fucked up by not taking immediate action, and its not 1918 anymore so we've had plenty of time to learn and research and understand why borders are actually perfectly fine and should be used in a situation where a potential threat is facing a country. Theres no excuse. People who escaped the quarantines in China and can be traced to patient zero community infection spreads, should be charged. Period.
No. 531914
>>531908My insomnia is much worse, staying up until at least 2/3 am every night. Just lying in bed awake, even though I feel mostly fine I'm finding it very hard to sleep until I'm completely exhausted.
At least if you're sleeping earlier (and maybe longer ?) Your immune system will be stronger.
No. 531930
>>531920Now, don’t completely shun me when I say this,
let me be clear these are not my personal ideals;
But quite frankly, Not everyone agrees with those things or thinks those should be free or available to everyone. And these people have a right to those ideals and they have a right to fight for us not to have those things, just like we have to right to try and fight FOR them. It’s a catch 22 in “freedom”. Some believe in anarchism; and in anarchism, your government isn’t going to pay for you to get an education for example. Rich people think they have the right to buy everything etc. not everyone genuinely believes in these things and that’s just how it is. And not all schooling in going to cost you that much and rich people know it. You’re stretching the numbers a little for your advantage in argument. The world sucks and we all live in very different ways but it would be boring otherwise.
No. 531938
>>531725haha this is me right now, didn't want to post about it because I know it's my own damn fault.
I'm on a serious taper but yikes I don't want to seize and take up a bed from someone else.
No. 531946
>>531940I have an old (single,male) neighbor this reminds me of. He went to A&E lately because he had indigestion, a few weeks earlier he was in for feeling dizzy.
He spends his days either in pubs talking to female bar staff or in hospital pestering nurses.. bars are now closed and hospitals are busy so he's knocking on my door every day.
No. 531957
>>531679>>people who earn nothing or don't file a tax return may not receive any moneyThis one fucks a lot of people. But hey, it's okay, they gave the IRS over half a billion!
>>531689>So people on disability get nothing?I was wondering this too. My mom is on disability, so I wonder if that means she'll get nothing outside of her normal check.
No. 531974
>>531968Well at least in America, we're full of obese people. I'm guessing it's too much of a reality check for the majority of the country. Doubt we'll get a full picture of these "young and healthy!!" deaths because we prefer to sensationalize
victims instead of being honest.
That or being overweight is so normalized here that we overlook it as an health issue. Probably that.
No. 531980
There's now discussions that
maybe one of the reasons why Germany and Italy is doing so bad death-rate wise is because they have some of the highest antibiotics use in Europe, meaning that they can't treat new infections well. (Their meat has 300-400mg per kilo, Norway is at 2-3mg per kilo in comparison)
The US is at about the same rate (300-400mg per kilo) as Germany and Italy.
> The U.S. pork industry uses antibiotics much more intensively in pig production than do other industry leaders. Specifically, U.S. producers use about double the antibiotics per kilogram of pig as are used in the United Kingdom, more than three times as much as in France, and more than seven times the levels used in Denmark or the Netherlands. (Figure 3)https://www.nrdc.org/sites/default/files/better-bacon-pork-industry-antibiotics-ib.pdf
> In the United States, 70 to 80 percent of the total volume of antibiotics sold each year are used in animals, and the FDA reports that 60 percent of those are “medically important,” meaning they belong to the same class as drugs used in human health.https://www.cgdev.org/sites/default/files/global-treaty-reduce-antimicrobial-use-livestock.pdf No. 531994
>>531992>>531986I mean "mild asthma" is barely a "preexisting condition" to make a disease that would otherwise be "just a flu" fucking kill someone. A lot of people may have minor or undetected health problems they have no clue about, and some of the conditions that can exacerbate the severity of infection are pretty common, like asthma and diabetes. Don't be paranoid, but don't be cocky either.
I really, truly hope all of you who are suspecting or confirmed to have it stay safe and recover soon with little to no complications and have all the access to help you need if and when you need it. We're living in strange, concerning times.
No. 532000
>>531997How many days have you been symptomatic for?
I wish anons who are COVID positive or suspected would do more updates here.
No. 532012
>>531996lmao yeah that's me, sorry for being so redundant with my posts. This time it was an emergency; we had a weather warning and had to be indoors for safety and his family's home was closer to where he was on the road. Decided he'd just sleep there overnight so he didn't risk driving. He said his family still isn't taking it very seriously but are at least washing their hands after going out and they said they are waiting a day to get their mail. I'm glad they are starting to accept things.
>>532000>I wish anons who are COVID positive or suspected would do more updates here.Same, anon.
No. 532026
>>531728I was wondering about that. Thanks for clearing that up anon, makes sense.
>>531730I suggest finding other ways to relax and calm your anxiety. It's still cold where I am so I get to take warm Epsom salt baths and meditate with Enya.
No. 532041
>>531690You first EDER.
>>531700>isn't that just a more efficient form of eugenicsEugenics by definition requires human intervention, so technically a "more efficient form" would look like Nazi Germany. All eugenics supporters are insane and should seek mental help.
No. 532047
>>531847>we value capitalism here. If you make a fuck ton of money, you think that you should be able to keep it all, right?This ignores
Eminent Domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domainIf the govt wants your property for any reason they can take it, compensate you with the amount THEY think is fair and there's fuck all you can do about it. If what you think you own can be taken from you at the whim of the feds, then you effectively own nothing.
Globally, the super wealthy are always getting tax breaks, they keep their money in offshore bank accounts, most of them hoard their wealth. It's the poor and middle class who carry the burden. Your civil liberties all but died after 9/11/Patriot Act, suspension of habeas corpus. The people who don't acknowledge this are living in a fantasy land.
No. 532116
>>532109Guess we can lock the thread now.
Thanks for putting our minds at ease.
No. 532119
>>532097If you are in the uk, GPs have been advised to not give referral for anything for the foreseeable ever as everyone is on the frontline.
ENTs are particularly in demand given the nature of the disease right now.
If your ear problem is not life threatening, be patient and wait for the end of confinement
No. 532135
>>532127The pneumonia caused by covid is not a bacterial pneumonia though, so antibiotics would do nothing to help it. It´s a penumonia that is unique to this illness, that is why the people who develop this covid penumonia have such problems. And yes, of course one could become infected twice, with covid and with pneumonia causing bacteria, but this really doesn´t seem to have been a problem so far. Maybe in a couple of cases, but not a common one. And getting back to the original post/statement, Germany, a country with high anti-biotic use, has very low death rates, unlike other countries with high anti-biotic use, so the anti-biotic use doesn´t really seem to be the issue.
No. 532140
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
>As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.>[UK public health bodies] have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall)Interesting decision.
I'm of the mind that much of what we're hearing in the media (and especially the bs coming out of China) is hyped up, hysterical nonsense anyway. USA fag here, any UK fags care to chime in?
No. 532164
>>531722I got a call yesterday to say the staff weren't going in anymore and that they wouldn't need me to go in either. I'm so relieved. I live with someone who cares for elderly ppl, one of them being in the extremely vulnerable category bc of COPD so this is good news.
I was close to saying sorry but I'm not going in honestly. you're right though, that job really was not worth the risk.
No. 532218
>>531977not to be gruesome, but this should say no
known preexisting health conditions, theres many cases of healthy young folk who drop dead, or are taken out by a simple sickness, and it turns out they had some condition that was never discovered.
No. 532225
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Here's the youtube-dl tutorial for anyone who wants to save Playlists or Channels in case of an emergency. I'm sorry for the lenght and eventual grammatical errors, but I wanted to explain it in all small steps and am also ESL. Feel free to ask if there's anything unclear!
1. Go to:
http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html2. Click on the highlighted "Windows exe" version of youtube-dl (
https://yt-dl.org/downloads/2020.03.24/youtube-dl.exe) and download/save it
3. Memorize where you saved it
4. Click on the Windows Icon on the botton left of your desktop and type in "cmd"
5. You click on the App "Command Window"(or whatever it is in your language) and a black window opens
Now, youtube-dl works via specific commands you type into the command window. For that, you have to basically enter the location of your exe file, the location where you want to save the videos to, your specific commands about video details and last but not least, the link to your desired video/playlist/channel.
So the first thing we need to know, is the exact file location of your exe file.
6.Open the folder where the .exe is saved, look at the line at the top of the window where "
your name >
your folder" is written and click on it. Then right-click on it and choose copy or cut (or alternatively, click Ctrl+C or Ctrl+X)
7. Open the Command Window again,paste it in there and add "\youtube-dl.exe" at the end.
>For example, C:\Users\Farmerchan(your PC username)\MyPrograms(your folder/s)\youtube-dl.exe8. Now prepare the location where you want to save the playlist to in the same manner. Create a folder, copy the location string of the folder but when adding it into the command window, add an "-o" at the front, ditch the "C:\Users\Farmerchan" part and add an /%(title)s.mp4 at the end and put it in ""s. You can choose other formats than mp4 too, but I personally had no success with trying .mp3 sound files. It downloaded the them but they didn't play properly. Anyway, that part of the command window string could look like this:
>-o "/Videos/youtube-dl/My Lolcow Playlist/%(title)s.mp4" In full, there should be the following written in your black command window so far:
>C:\Users\Farmerchan\MyPrograms\youtube-dl.exe -o "/Videos/youtube-dl/My Lolcow Playlist/%(title)s.mp49.After that is done, you can use the many commands youtube-dl offers and then add your playlist link at the end. There is a good guide on all the commands here:
https://www.ostechnix.com/youtube-dl-tutorial-with-examples-for-beginners/ but for now I will go with my usual template and explain it to you. The template with the examples above is the following:
>C:\Users\Farmerchan\MyPrograms\youtube-dl.exe -o "/Videos/youtube-dl/My Lolcow Playlist/%(title)s.mp4 –format best –format mp4 –write-description –write-info-json –write-annotations –write-sub –write-thumbnail –ignore-errors https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL57Z1VrI9Y8wL9JLOwSpB_KDy1qvkqDMVAs you can see, anything after the "-" are commands. This is what they stand for:
-o : In which folder you want to download the videos to.
–format best : Automatically downloads the videos in the highest available resolution (like 720p etc).
–format mp4 : Downloads the videos in mp4 format.
–write-description : Downloads the video description in an text file, together with the video! (My Windows is retarded and saves it literally as an ".description" file, but you can just open it with notepad)
–write-info-json : Downloads the video's metadata, including used tags and more.
–write-annotations : Downloads the video's annotations in .xml format. You can usually open it with any browser.
–write-sub : Downloads the video's subtitles in .vtt format
–write-thumbnail : Downloads the thumblail with the video.
–ignore-errors : Youtube-dl tends to stop completely when errors like deleted videos or country restrictions occur. This way, those errors just get skipped.
10. Press enter and that's it!
No. 532233
>>532225I forgot to say, if you want to cancel the command in the command window, just press ctrl+c.
And for some reason Lolcow formats double "- -" as one line. All the commands we added at the last step need two lines in front of them. So it would be:
C:\Users\Farmerchan\MyPrograms\youtube-dl.exe -o "/Videos/youtube-dl/My Lolcow Playlist/%(title)s.mp4" - -format best - -format mp4 - -write-description - -write-info-json - -write-annotations - -write-sub - -write-thumbnail - -ignore-errors
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL57Z1VrI9Y8wL9JLOwSpB_KDy1qvkqDMV..without the blank space inbetween it.
No. 532254
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>>532240That's it! we CANT know, anons.
All gotta check obsessively, learn the symptoms and dont interact with anyone (even more than usual).
>>532242…It's a sad state of affairs we're in, but hopefully it's not covid aka china fucks us all for fun-19
Make sure you get your masks and disinfectants, anons. and if you have any retarded family members, repeat it into them how they need to stay safe, im sure i'm not the only anon with idiots to teach about basic virility.
No. 532264
I'm American, but I've been studying abroad in a country that only has a few hundred cases so far because they took it seriously much faster than a lot of other countries. I have to go back to the US in June and I'm scared to death, not only because of the obvious reasons, but because I don't have American health insurance, so if I get it I am completely fucked. I'm on the verge of a complete meltdown over it, but I'm trying really hard to keep it together. I know countless people are far worse off than I am, but that doesn't "put things in perspective" and make me feel any better about my own circumstances, it just makes it all so much worse to be reminded of that.
I'm also really scared for my best friend. She's in a high risk area and I want so badly for her to come here and stay with me, where she will be safe, but she can't for so many reasons. Not only the potential of bringing it here if she unknowingly has it, but her fiance is an essential worker and they have 3 cats, so they couldn't come anyway.
I'm losing my shit, anons.
No. 532278
>>532255The worldwide outbreak of panic is even greater than the virus outbreak.
Everybody and their dog feels off and has random symptoms.
People who used to go to work with full on pneumonia suddenly feel dread when they think they might have maybe an itch at the back of their throat.
Someone reported they lost their sense of smell when infected, suddenly this symptom is on people's radar, and gets included in the anxiety bingo. People who recovered from corona start retroactively claiming they had it. The percentage for the symptom becomes ridiculous - 30-60% range.
Can't trust people to know what symptoms they're experiencing right now, because they all feel ill because they all feel FEAR.
This is why the government says to call the doctors when you have one of just two things from a myriad of symptoms: a persistent cough and/or fever - both are concrete, measurable things that do not rely on feeling (like a sore throat or chest tightness)
No. 532288
>>532255Yes lmao, i keep thinking ive got the diarrhea associated with early symptoms, along with shortness of breath.
Like i legit have diagnosed ibs and have shit lungs already, idk why the fuck i keep freaking out. I legit have an anxiety attack every couple of days bc of a tummy rumble and a cough
No. 532305
>>532299use a warm or cold cloth on your tummy, do breath excercises. Try to hold on there, but also don't panic, it'll make things worst.
I think my period is due later this week but I'm used to endure any cramp I have with no pills, if it's too bad I take some tea and try to relax.
No. 532311
Did anyone in college get info from their professors about what they would do if a student gets corona? I’m kind of nervous to ask my professor about it right after our break
>>532264Depending on where you live you might be able to get on state insurance, I know my state reopened theirs so that might be an option.
No. 532381
>>532380i believe thats because italy more or less has reached a peak?
they are still reporting new cases daily but the usa is just getting started in their testing and confirming, so yeah its gonna be rough for a few weeks here just like it was for italy
No. 532382
>>532381Italy is predicted to reach a peak around the first days of April
More than 80 thousand cases in total in Italy right now (March 26)
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A significant number of people in similar condition to me (young and with no preexisting conditions) who have tested positive say it started with a sore throat and dry cough. I’ve had these symptoms for 2 days now and want to get tested tomorrow.
No. 532391
>>532390Internet access but no running water? Where the hell are you? I'd like to know so to avoid this
cursed place.
No. 532397
>>532264I got COVID19. I work in healthcare, got it due to running out of protective equipment and patient overload.
I have no health insurance. It was fairly shitty, took me about 20 days to get better, but unless you are immunocompromised you will be fine anon. Try not to spiral.
No. 532407
>>532398Thanks anon, yeah it wasn't too bad but definitely not fun. The hard part for me was the lungs. It affected mine a lot, but if you do all the typical flu remedies it can help. Getting some things to help with lung support to have on hand is a great idea. Hot showers and a humidifier were the only things that actually made it so I could breathe because again, no insurance, and I could not afford the inhaler I needed. Can post more info if anyone wants, including some good vitamins to take. Mine also started with that burning scratchy throat, dry cough, then fever. Onset was fast, maybe 5-7 hours, but it can vary.
For masks, good question. Honestly, it is yes and no:
N95 is the best option, but it needs to be fitted to your head specifically to work. Also, it can be a double edge sword. You have to be careful- the second you touch the mask with unclean hands, you are potentially putting the germs on it to directly inhale and then increase infection rate. So a mask is great if you ONLY touch with clean hands. Otherwise, it can actually cause you to get sick more easily because the virus is sitting there.
If you absolutely must go outside for something, a mask is a good idea provided you only touch it with clean hands. (Or just don't touch at all until you get home.) If home or in the car, I would say skip it unless with someone immunocompromised. However, sadly a mask probably won't prevent them from getting infected if you live together and quarantining is key.
That being said, if you have to work in the godforsaken state of the world right now, a mask only helps up to a certain point. Trying to boost your immune system, getting enough sleep, wash your hands, taking time to de-stress/decompress, and staying the hell away from everyone in serious quarantine/social distancing fashion as much as possible is going to be the best thing. Prevention is very difficult with how things are now, so those are some of the best steps to take.
Sorry for rambling!
No. 532426
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Shit really hit the fan within just a day in the US.
Normally I'd like to be smug now, because so many Muricans always acted all superior, plus the president they elected brought so much fear over the entire world…but yeah, now's not the time. Good luck.
Looking at Germany, Austria, Switzerland and scandinavian countries likely gives us the real death rate percentage, so just imagine how many people in Italy were actually infected (without noticing or simply not getting tested) to result in so many deaths.
But I'm positive that Italy hit it's peak now and will soon get better. Quarantine simply takes a while to show results.
No. 532458
>>532428Do they have doctors quarters at your hospital?
>>532433An event i had booked for March has been rescheduled for January. I'm hoping we'll be out of this by then
No. 532460
>>532409Thanks anon, that means a lot. Kindness like this is the only thing that really keeps me going these days. (I'm back to work already and luckily some patients are being nicer now, but a lot of them are being impatient monsters with no understanding that there is a pandemic and they have to wait a bit?) I also had to use up all my PTO while sick which sucks, was hoping to get away for a week to go camping or something this summer for the firs time in 4 years but instead my vacation was COVID19 lol.
>>532413Yeah, tbh I kind of just want to give up and move or work somewhere else once things settle. I feel like I just can't ever be sick, if I do I lose money, but I am exposed to all sort of stuff every day. But even other healthcare jobs that have insurance included make you pay super high mandatory union fees, underpay you, or you have to pay up the butt for the good plans with high premiums and deductibles. Lots of times for the cheaper plans, the care you need isn't even covered… they give you bottom of the barrel plans unless you are in EMS/Fire/Police, I think?
I will keep working until COVID19 is a little more under control, but then I think I am done with working in healthcare. This whole situation scared me straight, especially how everything fell apart so fast. (Seattle has been a shitshow.) It is more apparent now than ever I just live to work and all my money goes towards nothing and when I actually need care, especially in a situation like this were it was exposure due to my work, there is nothing left for me. I am already out a ton of money since I couldn't work, and I would have had more bills if I had seen a Dr and paid full price for the medications I needed, which don't even completely help COVID19. It is so expensive for low-middle working class to afford insurance. My work does not provide insurance despite me being full time so I would have to do it through the state- I don't even make that much a year but the monthly premiums plus the deductible for my wage bracket is ridiculously high in ratio of what I make, like 1/3 my yearly earnings… for the OPPORTUNITY to THEN have coverage. (I don't even make that much to begin with and my paycheck taxes are high too, it sucks.) So all in all, me having insurance isn't even worth it unless I basically am close to death, so no healthcare for me unless I am dying and ok with ruining my credit forever.
Sorry, major tldr; about my work and insurance woes. But it felt good venting, sorry for the rant.
No. 532467
>>532444More testing, dumbass.
Germany, Austria or Luxembourg, meaning countries who can actually test a lot, all have similar numbers of ~0.5
Italy having around one and a half million infected and therefore 8000 deaths makes much more sense than "just" 80.000
In S.Korea they also test a lot and they were surprised just how many seemingly healthy young people were running around while actually ill, and these people are not tested in Italy or Spain.
No. 532512
anyone else have this weird anxiety about wasting quarantine? like if you don't write a seminal novel or get ripped or learn a new language you've doomed yourself
>>532495my parents have been doing that so i understand
No. 532513
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-symptoms-start-slow-and-worsen-quickly-doctors-say-2020-3%3fampI recently read this article and am scared.
I’ve been sick for over a week and haven’t been diagnosed with the Coronavirus yet due to my family’s fear of myself being interned at the hospital right away with no visitation because of how contagious it is, plus our doctors probably have it now according to the news.
The only symptoms I currently have are coughing, slight to no fever, tiredness and a leaky nose. Now they’re saying you’ll get worse?!
No. 532515
>>532512ive actually started learning german and i definitely think its a great skill to speak multiple languages and this is the perfect time to do it!
you could download duolingo and pick a language!
No. 532552
>>532517>>532520Thank you and I’ll try not to panic <3
Lately I haven’t gone outs except to take out the trash and get mail; currently I’m still taking OTC medicine and a breathing spray which is kind of helping with my allergies (I just hope it’s the usual allergies).
I hope by the next 2 weeks I’ll be up and about because I need to start looking for jobs or paid internships, cash in my tax refund checks as well as opening a savings account, apply for unemployment and update my financial aid applications for the fall semester.
No. 532562
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>>532561It's your basic schizo rambles. I watched a bit and he's comparing corona to a movie called 12 monkeys, virus mad by animal activist kills most of humanity letting animals control earth. He compares current events to the movie (The films wash your hands propaganda compared to whats going on now. Animals taking over compared with the videos of the penguins wondering the zoo free). I really want to find it interesting, but look at him and his comments nothing except schizo
No. 532575
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>>532574Forgot to add, love how the governor came out with the "stay at home please" thing not even one day after the Olympics were delayed and magically the cases in Tokyo went up to 40 or so
No. 532576
Are any of you anons sick? Asking because our country started to double on sick people every day just now, and I want to know, how does it feel to be sick.
I'm starting to feel some kind of tension in the upper part of my chest, but I didn't have any contact with people who came from abroad, who are number one contaminated case here right now. That means, I'm not up to be tested for covid. But there are probably thousands of contaminated people already, and I've been going out of my house regularly, took public transport, even taxi.
All contaminated people who came from abroad were isolated immediately, but covid spreads nevertheless, and it's spreading fast now. I's dumb to think that it's under control, and I just want to know what symptoms are, yours, or of the people you know.
No. 532581
>>532576Tightness in the chest for literally 4 days now. I've had it before when I had a cold but it never felt like this. Im not coughing a lot, more like having to constantly clear my throat because it feels like I have phleme or mucus stuck in it. I was running a fever for about an hour yesterday. Thats literally it. I also havent eaten much in almost 2 weeks but thats because im a stress non eater. Ive been having panic attacks for about two weeks and thus, cant eat. I get nauseas but have not vomited or anything. Like I've said to a lot of anons here, panic attacks and stress can make you feel like absolute utter shit, and put so much more strain on you than you know. My panic attacks quite literally cause me to not be able to breathe, and to have an extreme tightness in my chest and in other muscles in my body. But the tightness in my chest right now is not normal and I do think its something to watch. But I am relaxing, distracting myself, still trying to get a little exercise in because im not experiencing shortness of breath, and loading up on vitamins, water, hot tea, and citrus as much as possible. Also currently taking dayquil and nyquil when the mucus starts making me cough to the point where its an annoyance, or when I feel I may be getting a fever. Also sleeping whenever I feel I need to.
No. 532582
>>532576My case is kinda weird.
Ive been sick since late February. Got a sore throat and then dry coughs. I got super worried so I kept checking my temp. Normal temp and no fevers.
I had horrible lung vibrating coughs and sore throat. No fever, no body aches, no sinus pressure. Just a cough. I was so sure I got the virus and decided maybe I have the "mild" symptoms.
Nope, I got strep throat of all things during a pandemic. Looked into the back of my throat and saw white spots.
I am just now getting better. I dont know how to feel overall It was a rollercoaster. I have never had a cold that lasted 4 weeks. I couldnt sleep because I was coughing so much. Finally just 3 days ago after weeks of that, I got diagnosed over the phone with my doc and got prescribed antibiotics. She was kind of just taking my word based on the symptoms. They're already helping me so much.
I can finally talk and breath without problems. I dont ever get sick so I am just confused why I got strep throat now of all times. I think in a way I am grateful I got that instead of the virus. Unless I had it and it became strep throat? No damn clue anymore.
No. 532584
>>532548>Happy 1984Happy Covid-1984.
Missed opportunity anon.
No. 532594
>>532581>Im not coughing a lot, more like having to constantly clear my throat because it feels like I have phleme or mucus stuck in itOh fuck, this is exactly what I feel - like it's stuck mucus that can't be coughed out. Plus, today my throat felt dryer than it usually is.. Let's hope that it's just our anxiety mixed with common cold or some psychosomatic bullshit and nothing more.
>>532582Thanks for the answer, get well soon, anon.
No. 532613
>>532000>>532012>>532017I wrote in the previous thread how my friend returned from two weeks in Australia and quickly came down with the virus.
After two weeks she's finally starting to feel better. Most symptoms are easing off and it's really only the burning in her lungs and breathing difficulty that's the problem.
I spoke to her for three hours tonight and she told me that all her friends in Aus didn't develop the virus and she most likely picked it up in Singapore where the flight refuels.
She's been very ill with it and for a couple of nights I was up having to reassure she wasn't going to die because she felt so bad and was panicking.
Any questions, I can ask her and write here.
One thing she told me was paracetamol made her feel worse and was told to not take it. During the temperature spikes she just rode it out with lots of water and melon. Her thirst was insatiable.
Her concern now is any lasting effects on her lungs and breathing.
No. 532615
>>532548I saw the entire video and all I gotta say is: we’re screwed.
And how is this NWO plan gonna work anyway with making sure everyone is vaccinated to enter “the new society”? Some people can’t afford nor don’t have health insurance to get tests and vaccinations. What about the undocumented, destitute and every other social outcast? Are they just going to let them struggle and die by their own means?
What about those of us who already handed their biometrics to the government? Are we expected to comply with this new system whenever it comes?
I’m not antivaxx or whatever but I sure hope there are no microchips in those vaccines.
No. 532619
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>>532561A lot of the video covers this article predicting and exploring new draconian developments in response to Covid:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/Easier to read for yourself and skip those portions of the vid.
No. 532625
>>53254858:30 "Swine Flu scare of 1976": Washington DC declares all Americans should get the vaccine to prevent a pandemic. 46 million American's get the shot, 4,000 are injured resulting in over 3 billion dollars worth of compensation for damages to their health resulting from the vaccine.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
No. 532626
>>532623Do you have any alternative suggestions? ‘Cause I would like to hear ‘em
Yeah, this video is pretty much fear-mongering ala Alex Jones, need to trust God more
No. 532627
>>532624What do you mean? Those predictions don't have to come true, it doesn't have to be that way. They can't even prove the Covid test results are accurate enough to warrant the crack down they're calling for. There's just too many holes in their narrative imo. People are already losing faith in the CDC
>>532563 for good reason.
No. 532635
>>532631For one, look at the PCR test used to diagnose Covid: Where's the data proving it's efficacy and accuracy? There isn't any.
The test might be able to show that the virus is present in your body but to my knowledge it's incapable of establishing
how much of the virus is actively replicating in your body, which is important because in order for a virus to cause symptoms, it has to be replicating in your body by the millions. There's been cases where people tested positive but were asymptomatic, so were they really carrying the virus or was it just a false positive?
The tests on the market are self validated. The FDA doesn't review manufacturer data. There's no tort liability for covid19 tests or vaccines. Think about that before you take one.
No. 532639
>>532627>>532632So continue resisting then? I knew there was something shady about “social distancing” , especially when every celebrity and their momma kept regurgitating it on social media. I just couldn’t put my finger in it but now we know - divide and conquer as usual.
As for the CDC, I had a side-eye on them after what happened to one of their workers; his name was Timothy-something who was suicided not too long ago.
No. 532641
>>531983It looks as if anyone who has an SSN will get the $1200, even those on disability.
Apparently the only people who will be getting less or nothing are those who make more than the cutoff amount. If you filed for 2019, they'll use that. If not, they'll use your 2018.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/congress-to-send-taxpayers-1200-checks-in-the-wake-of-coronavirus.html The details (so far) are here.
No. 532644
>>532637Between the article
>>532619 and the video
>>532548 I think the take away in the simplest terms is, control. Look no further than China if you want to see real world examples.
>>532639Timothy Cunningham. There were a lot of questions surrounding his disappearence and death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlmZY4wFSsE No. 532647
>>532646It's suspicious wording for sure, best to hold on to it and only spend if you are desperate for essentials. I'd hate to spend it and find out we have to pay it back later.
The article makes it sound like it's so we don't have to count it as income when we file taxes next year but it's really strange.
No. 532649
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
>According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths. >“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.">But there are other factors that may have contributed to Italy’s fatality rates, experts say. This includes a high rate of smoking and pollution - the majority of deaths have been in the northern region Lombardy region, which is notorious for poor air quality.Hope all healthcare workers everywhere stay safe and sane out there. I don't think they're being treated as well as they should be.
No. 532655
>>532647The video
did say the free money will be given with strings attached, to the savings account it goes!
>>532648I know, but will it mess up our credit if we spend it? I have very little to no credit and may have fucked it up from not paying T-Mobile and Xfinity though I haven’t given them my ssn.
>>532654No.
No. 532662
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>>>/ot/532644Was checking out her other videos until I stumbled onto one of ‘em about youtubers and Onion boi was in it
Topkek
No. 532686
>>532603If that's the case, then where are all those old dead people? A low number of infected + a high number of deaths would match your theory, yet it's exactly the opposite.
They test half a million per week, and starting April they get a new and much quicker test, that's very good in comparison to many other countries.
No. 532695
>>532635They aren't confirming using PCR in china they are using CT FYI. We are using these methods because we don't have a better testing method available atm.
Antibody tests would be much more accurate, we all know that and the scientific community is trying to come up with a fast and cheap antibody test for it.
No. 532717
>>532548The premise is basically
>government powers are going to slowly introduce and implement regulations for society to the detriment of freedom in a way that will be like–if not as worse as–9/11Oh absolutely, this is basically an experiment to condition people to social management similar to what China did with identification profiles and facial recognition.
>and it will happen precisely in the way we describe in this videoEhhhh, also I don't agree with the tone. There are legitimate reasons to be afraid of this virus and even more afraid of the corrupt and incompetent way governments will handle this and use it to establish order. This is how we get the microchip and antivaxxer conspiritards hijacking this kind of message because they think things will be that overt.
No. 532721
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No. 532729
>>532721UGH!
He is a tough guy, hopefully he can make it.
No. 532741
>>532686>low number of infected + a high number of deaths would match your theoryHow so? Why would the infected rate be low just because they don't care about cause of death for non-diagnosed people?
Also pls post the source for the half a million tests so I can laugh.
No. 532752
>>532741>Also pls post the source for the half a million tests so I can laugh.Easy to find (in german and in english), for example
https://www.thelocal.de/20200326/germany-ramps-up-coronavirus-tests-to-500000-a-week>Christian Drosten, a Berlin-based senior virologist, said that Germany was carrying out an “extremely high number" of coronavirus tests, which meant experts were aware of more cases, including milder ones.>Speaking at the launch of a government-backed new network for the treatment and research of COVID-19 which is being set up in Berlin, Drosten estimated that around 500,000 coronavirus tests were being carried out each week in Germany.>"The reason why Germany has so few deaths compared to the number of infected people can be explained by the fact that we carry out an extremely large number of laboratory diagnostic tests," said Christian Drosten, who heads the Institute of Virology at Berlin's Charite University Hospital.Why do you think this is funny…?
No. 532783
>>532778>Give me a few hours and I'll go find some screens, he's genuinely funny.Don't bother, I don't care.
If you want be so pessimistic and believe that you know better than virologists and that we're doomed anyway, then you do you.
No. 532792
>>532778I hope sanctions are given to every country pulling shit right now, including Germany - AGAIN, for confiscating medical equiptment for themselves and playing bullshit that they can't ship it out due to lockdown laws. China needs sanctions because this started from their markets, Germany needs sanctions for stealing, any country caught stealing needs some sanctions, the US, I'm shocked, hasn't started a lawsuit against the US Gov. just as a group of American lawyers are setting up to sue to Chinese government.
Fuck. The whole globe is garbage right now practically because governments would rather make sure they stay in power somehow than help their people. Governers, mayors.. Local people are pleading, but big government won't help.
Many countries are botching numbers to hide actual infections like Japan because they were so worried about their precious Olympics. Sanctions on any country hiding real infection numbers and if it IS in the country's control to give more medical care and they run out, I get it, but if they purposely give people nothing [like drump because "you have to treat us nice too"] you should go to straight fucking jail. Limiting a stockpile of supplies when people need it from the government and they say "Well, you were mean about it" and given them 10% of what they actually need and knowingly killing people because of this should be a war crime.
I'm just really stressed right now. I know I went on a tangent. I'm sorry.
No. 532848
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>>532718he's fat though and he always looks like an overheated, ruddy-faced alcoholic. he just generally doesn't look healthy, so i don't think he'll tolerate corona very well. shit, corbyn looks healthier
No. 532855
>>532778could you link me some of those statements?
when i look i just get stuff such as: -drosten said wolfgang wodarg is wrong because…..
ta.
No. 532901
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No. 532942
>>532932You might be developing a compulsive disorder.
If you're at home, you only need to wash your hands once you get home. After that, you're fine. Unless you just today bought your coffee or milk, there is incredibly little chance that you're gonna catch Corona from it.
This is my third week of voluntary isolation. I just make sure not to touch my face while in the grocery store and then I go home and wash my hands. I also change sweaters but that's just a psychological thing rather than a safety thing.
No. 532948
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>covid cases in america top 100,000
and this is WITH shitty testing im genuinely scared. 20 with a good immune system but my mom got tested for it because she's been coughing a lot recently and her job wont let them work from home. If she has it then both my parents are fucked. Genuinely worried but is anyone else thinking of leaving America as soon as they're able to? I don't see things getting any better here once we've reached the peak of this virus, it's like watching a country fall apart in real time
No. 532979
>>532974No countries will be ok after this. Absolutely none.
We haven see the worst of it yet. Brace yourselves for impact. Do not go out under any circumstances unless absolutely fucking necessary. When you do, wear your masks and gloves and bring your rubbing alcohol bottle. Don't eat/drink anything outside. Wash your food package. Have a set of clothes only for the outside that you immediately wash once inside.
Tell your loved ones you love them. I'm not kidding. Do it.
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anons, the 21 year old girl died of a cardiac arrest and never tested positive for the virus. the 18 year old who died had coronavirus but died of something unrelated
media is playing stupid games here
No. 532986
>>532981If you're still not scared now then you do not understand what situation you are in. I don't blame you, I was oblivious to the danger too.
Wait until you start seeing dead piling up in your local hospital. Once this is done, come back and tell us how not a big deal it all is.
No. 532997
>>532848You know they'll pull someone else off their ventilator so they can hook BoJo onto it just because.
The secret service will also do the same for Trump. We like to laugh at those fools, but some else will die so they can try and save those "heads of state"
Sad thing all around
No. 533009
>>532830Get some Vicks vapor rub, put it on your chest. Helps with congestion. A little goes a long way.
>>532979Anon this sounds like top tier panic, please calm down. All anyone can do is take reasonable precautions. Letting emotion overtake reason is counterproductive.
No. 533012
>>532778>>532789I get why there are quite some people who have a raging hate boner for anyone who gets hyped by the media.
but that dude (yes he made some uncorrect assumptions but literally everyone did) is just a virologist after all, not a master of economy and prophet of whatever will happen in the future.
It is absolutely stupid how he gets overhyped by the thirsty media and is being presented as a spokesperson or authority for terms he isn‘t an expert though, but imo thats nothing that guy has a lot of control over since he‘s just making a fucking podcast where he nerds on about viruses or a scientific interview here and there.
If you plain believe anything as solid facts which comes from someone who is being presented as an ‚authority’ or whatever, even if that person isn’t even qualified of making assumptions for certain topics, you’re a fucking moron and should know better in the age of information we live in.
I think the mediafags should just stop trying to make him a publicity figure and ‘expert‘ on terms he is definately not of (and admits so) since its misleading and counterproductive but really that‘s it.
they shouldn‘t do that with anyone but they fucking live from this shit
No. 533022
>>533021Im by no means a doctor, but Im kind of thinking the legality of weed. the abuse of other smoked drugs and our nation's overall problems with electronic cigarettes. We've had to ban flavored ones because kids were doing a catridge which added up to like 3 boxes, not cartons, of some brands.
The people who say they are healthy, I want to know if they have smoked weed, cigarettes, or any other substances in the US, because that would make complete sense as to why there are so many young deaths. I mean shit, we have people smoking bathsalts..
No. 533034
>>533025it's not even the food it's simply how fat you are. there was a study (it's on youtube i think) in which someone only ate mcdonalds for a few weeks (or months i don't remember) but counted his calories so he was in a deficit. guess what? he not only lost weight but his cholesterol lowered and overall blood tests showed better results. all because his weight was in a healthy range now
there's literally no excuse for fatasses
No. 533073
>>532884I've heard the mortality rate in Germany is one of the lowest. I don't know what the ratio of young to old is there, but I agree with articles like this
>>532649 that point out most of the deaths in Italy are among the elderly, who also happen to be overrepresented in the population. We could ask if Italy's healthcare system isn't as well equipped as Germany's, but I think it's more likely the higher mortality there is due to a larger ratio of elderly (more vulnerable) in the population.
No. 533081
>>533064I'm not in China thank god lmao
>>533072I expected this kind of reaction. I would have showed a pic if I didn't live with other people. Believe what you want tho
>>533074What happened in my neighborhood wasn't that extreme. The guy went into the ambulance willingly and it left while the cops stayed hanging out for a while near our houses. For some reason, they only took him and not the other adults in his house??
No. 533134
>>533113the worst is when they get stuck on the way down
they do help, thankfully, so it's worth the grossness
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>>532721official site says the he was hospitalized but doesn't have the coronavirus.
No. 533176
>>533169True enough, Germanys health care system could be doing better. But that doesn´t change the fact that most other countries are even worse.
My family lived in Canada, which, for some inexplicable reason, is so proud of it´s healthcare system, for 9 years and the reason we moved pack to Germany was indeed the healthcare. Ater that experience, I certainly know to appreciate what I got here.
No. 533190
>>533162>it is still one of the best in the entire world.Depends on how low the bar is. The hospital my friend is working at is now changing her entire unit to be fit for intensive care and quarantine, while degrading the nurses to short-time work. The nurses have to take a one(1) day crash-curse to be able to handle ventilators, keeping in mind that you usually have to take an extra apprenticeship to be able to work as a intensive care unit nurse that takes 2-3 years.
My grand-mother and mother have been working as nurses all their life and I have had the pleasure to have some limited experience too, so let me tell you that they ALWAYS have been understaffed. That has been a massive problem for my mother and is the most severe right now, even years before corona.
No. 533203
>>533191Because it would be more appropriate if you, rather than bitching at tourists that bring your country a huge fraction of it´s overall income, would express your ecological concerns by instead asking organized crime to stop burying
toxic waste all over the place. Just a thought.
No. 533207
>>533201I kind of missed the part where I glorified anything. Telling the truth that something is better than something else is not automatically glorifying it. I know people are notoriously unhappy with absolutely everything and that it is super trendy to bitch about all sorts of shit, but some things just aren´t THAT bad and people would do themselves a favor by appreciating something for a change. Am I happy with our healthcare system? No, not fully. I remember times when it was a different, better one. I actually remember very well the times so long ago when we didn´t even have healthcare cards yet. Those were times when our healthcare system was amazing, and those times are long over. But you know what? Things have gone downhill everywhere. Looking at other countries, we DO have one of the best systems, and saying that is no glorifying anything, it´s simply telling the truth. Maybe it´ll all change after this current disaster, but for now, that´s how it is. But hey, if you know something that I don´t know, tell me where you would most like to become ill when you are just a regular person with an unspectacular income.
No. 533244
>>533202Please don't do it anon. You will hurt the people who care about you (I promise there are people who do) and the person who would potentially find you would be traumatized for life.
Don't let the drama over this virus get to you. Stay safe and look forward to later in the year when things will be back to normal.
No. 533247
>>533244Aside, I think the coverage of this virus and the "advice" given pays no respect to people with mental illness. Interesting to live through years of eggshell walking online and then have mainstream media and those same "
TW/CW" demanding people posting indulgent fearmongering nonsense. There are better ways to phrase things - I muted several terms (quarantine, covid) etc online quite soon due to the messages I was seeing being so carelessly and indulgently phrased.
However most artists and photogs I follow have been very gentle with their posts. Avoid the news and spend as much time as you can every day doing cute/fun things you enjoy. Study doesn't matter right now since concessions will be made. Make every day as pleasant as possible.
No. 533249
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So germany brought this morning critical patients from Bergmo, Italy to the federal state NRW as a sign of solidarity. As a germanfag who lives in NRW, which is the most affected, I kind of not feeling this deal at all. They already brought some from france here too. I don#t understand. Bring some medical support there and do not bring MORE infected people here into that already overloaded health system.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/luftwaffe-fliegt-an-covid-19-erkrankte-italiener-nach-deutschland-a-e2d6e337-f33c-40a6-8c16-8407277d9087 No. 533254
>>532932I'm a frequent hand-washer, just try and cut down on washing once you're in your house. You only really need to wash your hands before you eat or if you're sticking your hands in your mouth or on your face (applying makeup for example) if you are self-isolating right now. If you're going out, then wash hands wnd face when you get home and change outerwear (I did this before covid since outside is dirty)
If you've already got your supplies, after a few days any viral or bacteria on the suface will die off, so you don't need to wash after touching items. A good thing to remember is the body deals with a dose of bacteria etc every day of your life, from handled objects, toilet etc, and you are fine. We can handle a good amount of germs ok, and this virus can't live without a live host.
So the main thing is avoiding live hosts aka people who could pass it to you.
No. 533258
>>533247This is because the
trigger warning and eggshell walking are products of an individualistic culture.
Overcoming the current threat to survival requires a collectivist culture. Selfish acts (like licking a row of deodorant in a store, or partying on a spring break instead of quarantining) are shamed.
Collectivist culture resents suicide
victims for engaging in such a selfish act. Very different from how an individualistic culture approaches the same issue.
Honestly, it's been amazing to witness just how fast entire nations and peoples have switched cultural approaches. I thought it was impossible to happen like that. Do you understand what that means? We can turn racism and sexism and capitalism off with a flip of a switch. We can change any behaviour globally with a flip of a switch. Any. In a matter of days.
No. 533265
>>533258A propos that last paragraph:
Maybe it's not such a big deal to you millenials, but I'm an oldfag and know this wouldn't be possible just 20 yrs ago. It was a far slower and more fragmented world.
No. 533268
>>533249Had to delete my original post and edit and post ir again - my typing is atrocious because my cat continues to attack me.
Oh, I hope the agressive Italian anon from earlier is going to read this.
I see what you are saying, and I do agree. Any week now the number of infections here is expected to become so high that our hospitals will reach reach the point of being beyond overcrowded. Not a good time to bring in more people. On the other hand, if I were in Italy right now and infected with Corona, I would want to receive help and if that meant going to Germany, I would want that, too. I am however left to wonder, whether Italy, or any other European nation, would have helped us in a similar manner if the tables were turned. Also, what is going to happen if Germany runs out of hospitals beds while there are still foreigeners being treated here. right now we still have enough beds, but that can change, and nobody has said anything how long those people are going to be here. Are Germans going to be left without proper treatment because beds and resources are taken up by foreigners? Of course the German government would assure us that that would not be the case, but what the hell are they going to do? They are obiovusly not going to kill any foreigners by kicking them out of the ICU in order to make room for Germans. So what´s the plan? What happens if the ICU beds and resources are needed for Germans while the non-Germans are still here and in need intensive care? I see a lof of problems with this.
I always like to compare a country to a family. If you can make sure that there is always enough food for your own kids, then you can think about helping out the neighbours. But if you do not put your own children first, and you give the neighbour money, just to find out that you miscalculated and now your own children will have to go without dinner for the rest of the month, then you are a shitty parent. And that is exactly how it is when it comes to a country.
No. 533297
>>533268Are you still going on about this? EU countries are meant to help each other. I'm sure Germany would have been helped if the virus spread more widely, quickly and among older people there too. Or is the EU only good for putting Southern Europe countries in debt, mhm? Plus I'm sure German citizens will be prioritized by one of the best healthcare system of the world.
I wouldn't have started shit if the original anon hadn't spoken out of ignorance without knowing the context, or if knowing it, with malice. You don't know what it's like to hear that everyday in your country almost 1000 people died, and I hope you never know it. But I can't stand people who, seeing others in a difficult situation, can't help but consider smugly how they kind of deserved it.
No. 533310
>>533297
>>…seeing others in a difficult situation, can't help but consider smugly how they kind of deserved it.<<Sounds kinda like paranoia, and that makes me unwilling to talk to you. It gives my emotionally unstable girlfriend vibes.
>>533303No, Germany is applying the method of testing more living people than any other country, other than south korea maybe, a country in which the death toll was also noteably low when considering the number of infections.
Testing postmortem and calling anyone a covid 19
victim, regardless of their cause of death just as long as they have been infected, does not seem like the best idea.
No. 533318
>>533311Yeah, I’ve had a couple days where I’ve been awake until 1-2am and I normally go to bed by midnight. One night I had a panic attack and that made it really hard to fall asleep because I couldn’t stop thinking about random things.
I told myself that I should probably stop reading so many news articles because they’re giving me a lot of anxiety, and then I also work at a pharmacy so that makes me worried too.
No. 533323
>>533314What? LOL, I don´t have girlfriend though.
>>533319That´s alright. Just please don´t think that I think that Italy, or any other country is deserving of what is happening right now because I don´t.
No. 533326
>>533323 *a girlfriend
I can´t type, my cat is an aggressive idiot who loves hands.
No. 533333
>>533323??
This is what you wrote: It gives my emotionally unstable girlfriend vibes.
Or did you mean "me" instead of my?
Still, it's fucking embarrassing. You sound like someone who grew up on tumblr or uses too much r/raisedbynarcissists
No. 533337
>>533333Yes genius, that´s what I meant. And just in case you did not notice: The sentence "It gives mY emotionally unstable girlfriend vibes" does not even make any sense. Well, apparently it does in your world, lol.
Also, I can assure you that I did not "grow up on tumblr" because there was no such thing when I was growing up. But since you seem to know what the people on tumblr and the other site are like, you obviously must have been using them at one point. Good for you, after all, everyone needs a place where they can pour their heart out.
No. 533344
>>533337Oh sorry I didn't realize it is others people's fault you keep typoing and not making sense and that's alright but if I make a mistake in reading comprehension that is not accetable.
You diagnosing strangers online with paranoia or unstable gf vibes or whatever shit still is embarrassing behavior, you fucking boomer
No. 533345
>>533343I don´t know, and I am also not the one that brought it up. I don´t use social media, so I have nothing to say about it.
>>533344You are right, it´s not acceptable. Glad you at least understood THAT.
Boomers are like 70, LOLOLOLOLOL
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>>533310>No, Germany is applying the method of testing more living people than any other countryThat's a pretty bold statement, do you have a source for it? Because other Germananons in these threads have always complained the opposite, that they don't test enough.
Testing postmortem also makes sure that all those "strange pneumonia deaths" don't go unnoticed.
I get strange vibes from some posts in here…
No. 533369
>>533366I hear you, it´s the same with my grandma who is 88 and has heart disease. There is no keeping her inside, either, even though my parents would bring her everything that she needs. I have a very hard time telling whether she thinks that this is no big deal, or whether she simply does not worry because she wouldn´t mind if she got it. I know that sounds kinda fucked up, but since my parents told her straight up how dangerous the situation is, one has to assume that she may simply not care. It´s very sad.
I hope you friend will be ok.
No. 533373
>>533249The absolute state of our country. I'm all for solidarity and helping other EU countries, but can we at least do this after we finished prepairing our hospitals and not right before the first wave of critical-state patients arrive?
I also love how that article doesn't say who exactly those 5 people are and why they absolutely need to be flown all the way from italy to germany instead of just treating them in the less affected areas of italy.
No. 533417
>>531392They heard Trump say chloroquine and they got desperate and drank fishbowl cleaner that had that chemical in it.
He’s not at fault for people being stupid and irrational with zero common sense.
The wife of the man who died in Arizona told NBC News that she and her husband ingested chloroquine after realizing that a product used to clean the couple’s fish tank by killing aquatic parasites contained the substance. “I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, ‘Hey, isn’t that the stuff they’re talking about on TV?’” she said.
You guys just taking the media for its word are fucking idiots too.
Do your research.
Everyone lies
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A pharmacy I worked at earlier this year (and I also live like 10 minutes from) was closed this week because of a “potential exposure incident”
No. 533444
>>533435Honestly I'm really thankful that I still have a job and can work from home during this, but everyone seems to act like since they don't have work, no one does.
Then again, if I had a break I don't know what I would do since everything is closed. At least working takes up time every day.
No. 533450
>>533435I'm kinda on both sides, on the one hand I would love to stay at home and do nothing but playing animal crossing rn all day long but on the other side I kind of still live my "normal" everyday life bc I have to work (pharmacy shit) and I don't get the "whahh I can't go outside" thing at all because I still have a reason to go outside and I know I still have my job to wake up to every morning (even when it's super super busy for weeks now but that's ok).
But I have to say that grocery shopping is much more enjoyable since they restricted it to only a few persons that can go in. No more people standing around, no more children screaming, everybody is going out of your way, no more long waiting lines at the checkout. I love it.
No. 533454
>>533421Considering that the virus survivescan survive on various surfaces for somewhere between 24 and 72 hours, and an infection is not excessively likely but still possible if one touches said surface and then their own face, it would be much stupider to not worry about it. But since you are apparently resistant to the corona virus, why don´t you go lick some milk cartons in a covid hotspot?
>>533431I wear gloves quite a bit actually, but since they are extremely hard to get now, I am trying to save them as much as possible now. Also, even though it doesn´t sound like it, I am actually pretty calm, sorta, like I am not freaking out about the illness in itself, that´s not my worry, I am super concerned about the other consequences of testing positive because if I end up in quarantine, so will my husband, and that would mean that there is noone left to care for our animals. As far as the health consequences of an infection go, I am not overly concerned.
No. 533470
>>533458Ok, that´s what you mean, and that´s probably also what other anons were talking about when they said that Germany "stole something" from another country. Well, first of all, Germany did not take the stuff, they just didn´t let if pass through. Germany did not benefit from this. And secondly, it should be well understood, by anyone, that in times of crisis, Germany wants to keep it´s own products that it´s own people are going to need. I find it very very weird that anyone would blame a country for doing this.
>>533464Just wash it and add some laundry disinfectant. I always do that when I get second hand clothes.
No. 533486
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Why did this suddenly turn into a "let's all hate on Germany"-thread?
We're neither at fault for the situation in whatever country you live in, nor do we have any control over what our government decides to do (whether that's supposedly helping or stealing).
Just because we don't have as many deaths doesn't mean that it isn't scary for us too.
No. 533495
>>533486>Why did this suddenly turn into a "let's all hate on Germany"-thread?It didn't though? One nationalist-anon went a bit overboard with the "muh Germany is best in the world" sentiment and some anons weren't having it, that's it.
I'm not gonna bash any country. Let's not forget that we're all in this, the whole planet. We're all going through the same. Let's not make it into a dick measuring contest.
No. 533584
>>533583theres legit no way of knowing unless you can get tested
they've expanded the list of symptoms to be almost every single symptom of every other seasonal sickness
No. 533610
>>533435still have to go to my workplace to earn less than what my gov is offering citizens without work due to corona-chan
damn
No. 533637
>>533486>>533502>but then poeple immediately go on about us cheating when it comes to death numbers and stealing equipment from other countries,That was mostly other germans discussing.
>which like I said is not the normal citizens' fault,And no one said it is? The criticism was on the system and politicans. Stop taking it personally.
No. 533653
>>533650I honestly think a lot of old people just aren't aware of how serious it is. Many still aren't as connected with social media and tv etc. as younger generations. You know we go online and keep getting "wash ur hands, maintain distance!!1" shoved in our faces, they don't have that. And I'm sure some of them are just stubborn because they're lonely too.
I also think a good portion just genuinely aren't able to understand and have a grasp of how serious corona really is. My own poor old grandma is completely upset and doesn't understand why no one is visiting anymore (elderly care homes are closed for visits where I am). Her deteriorating brain just isn't able to grasp that concept of why we should be keeping distance anymore.
No. 533664
>>533653I think it has a lot to do with the mental state of the person.
My two 80+ grandparents went on lockdown way before even young people did, stocked up on food, they don’t leave their apt since March 8th. But they are both relatively mentally intact and have a good basis in reality. My dumbass boomer father decided to fly from Europe to USA yesterday tho , knowing he would have to pass thru 3 airports
No. 533667
>>533486Its due to the enraging 'germany is the bestest country in the world! If we are in trouble everyone else is fucked!' posts, just ignorance and lack of understanding causes people to naturally get pissed of.
Earlier in these threads anons were discussing how China may have had more deaths which it covered up and no one seemed to mind because it was not a discussion about the individual citizens of China but about it's government handling the pandemic.
The German government isn't immune to scrutiny just because some nationalist moron wants to clap their mouth at the worst time possible.
Plus its not like their government hasn't tried to cover up things in the past to make themselves look better, take for example the 2015-2016 new year incident.
No. 533674
>>533665There will be no restrictions towards individuals, anon. Häme might be put on lockdown or different hobbyist places might be shut down but according to the authorities there are no plans to restrict people from going outside of their homes. 11 deaths is still a very small amount compared to other countries and a noticeable number of people diagnosed with the disease have already recovered.
Finland statistics
>25 days after the cases exceeded 10>Day 15 of national lockdown/social isolation>1221 diagnosed cases>134 in hospital care, out of which 41 in intensive care. The overall intensive care unit capacity is currently 300 but it can be increased up to 1000 by converting vacant operation rooms>11 dead, all elderly or people with an underlying illness>The Uusimaa province (where over 75% of all infections have been diagnosed) is under lockdown limiting entries, restaurants, bars and cafes are closed, gatherings of over 10 are forbidden, national borders are closed, most stores are still open but people prefer to stay indoorsSo overall we're in a stable situation, but it's still scary and frustrating.
No. 533678
>>533667Nobody said Germany is the bestest country in the world, but concluding that if even the richest countries are losing against the virus poorer countries are even more fucked is simply a fact.
Anons think directly attacking us normal people who have no control over anything is fair, e.g.
>>533410 >>533476 ("
You guys did this and that!" No, I didn't do anything) while ultimately we are the biggest
victims when it comes to our government's doings. Why hate us because Merkel and Co fuck us over? I really don't get it.
Besides, soon coronabonds will happen anyway, meaning your hated germans (plus Austria) will have to shill out billions for all the other euro countries.
No. 533684
>>533667No, it´s due to people getting pissed off when they are being told the truth. And telling the truth does not automatically make me a nationalist. I don´t need to be a nationalist in order to know that the German healthcare system is one of the best, I only need to be able to read and compare numbers. And this is also not the "worst time" to be talking about this - Considering the circumstances, this is the most logical, fitting time to be talking about healthcare, for one thing, and for another thing, I am not even the ones who started the talk about this, I merely answered to a comment that dealt with the differences in the the death rates.
But you know what? You do have access to the internet, so if you know something that I don´t, why don´t you pull up some sources and send me the links to show me that I am wrong?
As for the New Years incident, I guess I am living in some sort of matrix, because I, inspite of this apparently being a huge cover-up, saw it all over the news the next day.
And your attempt at being funny by saying this >>…If we are in trouble everyone else is fucked!'<< was actually kind of on point, seeing how Germany really IS doing quite a lot to help people from other countries right now and yes, if Germany was suddenly no longer able to provide this help, chances are that yes, these people would be fucked.
It´s s kinda funny that you are referring to ME as a nationalist when it is so obvious that YOU are so incredibly offended that someone would dare point out that another country is better at something than yours is. Personally, if you would provide me with some reliable sources to show me all the things that suck in Germany, I wouldn´t mind one bit. but that´s probably because I am more interested in facts than I am in nationalism.
No. 533714
>>533550I'm just glad I didn't waste my money on Botox in early March like I planned, would have wasted it inside the house for the next 3 months lmao
On the plus side I can grow my eyebrows out to monobrow level and after all this is over I can finally get them shaped by a professional
yes I'm vain SORRY
No. 533776
>>533684Are you a scrote?
Because you seem to deliberately be misunderstanding the point like one lol.
You are also ignoring and minimizing the experiences of all other German anons here which must mean you eider live in a bubble or are simply an idiot.
Or maybe you are using your thinly veiled nationalist views to comfort yourself? It is a comfy lie to make yourself believe that you are currently in the best position you can possibly be in to stake this thing out.
Eider way you have proven your arrogance in what you had written, it is rather creepy and shows the extent of your delusion.
No. 533821
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Just learned that my whole fucking city is on lockdown, what the fuck. I can't even go to a fucking forest with 0 people in it Im so angry
No. 533826
>>533821I get why developed countries are doing lockdowns but what the fuck is the point of India's lockdown? What is the actual objective?
I'm not sure Brazil's policy is that bad in the circumstances. It was the UK's and USA's policy until it wasn't.
No. 533836
>>533826it was our policy until it wasnt, nobody gave a shit for months, now boom you can't leave your house
everyone i know left for their countryhouses, i can't even go there cause we have no water cause a fucking pigeon drowned in our well. im so mad
We were supposed to have a holiday week so we got quarantin'd bc people were getting weird ideas to go out and grill for gods sake :) no other city got locked down. just us
>What is the actual objective?To contain it somehow. Nobody knows what they're doing, neither belgium nor zimbabwe but we still have to try
i understand that it makes sense, i'm still mad
No. 533837
>>533753I can tell you what will happen: 90%+ of the people working there will tell me that even though these are hard times, they are happy to at least be here.
Yes, when somebody thinks that they can reasonably argue that an entire system is bad because of their personal bad experience, then that is merely a display of an angry opinion. And how would you know what my line of work is? For all you know I could be a 60year old renowned surgeon, or a Harvard professor who likes to troll your ass during his coffee breaks.
>>533768Oh, you know of another country that is currently willing to provide intensive care to 120+ patients? Then you should probably get off lolcow and call Italy and or Spain right away and let them know which country that is because they would certianly appreciate the help.
>>533776LOL, that word sounds very gross. Do you talk like that in real life, too? Eww.
When other German anons start posting general facts, rather than personal opinions and experiences, I will be inclined to start considering them. Until then…
No. 533844
>>533834
Really?
My cat is very old and has lived outside for most of his life - He was a stray when I took him in six years ago. Being forced to stay inside for longer periods of time is horrible for him, he will first start to freak out and then he will stop doing anything at all, including to eat. The longest I had to keep him indoors at a time was 14 days after he had surgery, and by the end of that time he was akin to a dead piece of rug. I will not torture my cat like that. Turning an ourdoor cat into an indoor cat is not that easy, and actually it is mostly impossible. I take care of cats in need and work in cat rescuing, and one of our rules is to only give outdoor cats into homes that will grant them access to being outdoors. If you knw something about cats, you´d know that 90% of the time, an outdoor cat will not be convinced to change.
My cat is well taken care of, neutered and comes back home when I open the door and call him in, which I do every 2-3 hours to make sure that he is ok. Inspite of letting my cat roam free, I spend a lot more time caring for my cat than any of the people that keep their cats exclusively indoors in tiny apartments, throwing them a shitty toy before leaving them alone for 10+ hours when they are at work everyday.
Thank you for reminding me that my work is needed, as there is sooooo much ignorance towards cats out there.(offtopic cat sperging)
No. 533857
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No. 533859
>>533837>I can tell you what will happen: 90%+ of the people working there will tell me that even though these are hard times, they are happy to at least be here. Nevermind, this is either bait or someone living on candy mountain.
>Yes, when somebody thinks that they can reasonably argue that an entire system is bad because of their personal bad experience*personal bad experience of the majority of health workers
>And how would you know what my line of work is? For all you know I could be a 60year old renowned surgeonIf that was the case, you wouldn't spout dumb shit like that and would have collegues who keep you updated on how the situation is. For example how their entire sector is already on the brink of having a nervous breakdown and doing a sick leave because their head surgeon got tested positive, is now in a serious condition and could have possibly infected everyone, leaving them in a moral conflict if they should even continue to get tested. Or how several other sectors got closed and now pushed all the remaining patients on the staff and sectors that are left while they break out crying on the phone because they haven't slept properly for days.
Fuck politicians who sit in their safe holiday houses and on their secure savings talking about how our health system will manage it somehow they don't even know, fuck comfy homeworking journalist who repeat the braindead statements of said politicians and fuck delusional scrotes like you.
No. 533870
>>533857He mas minister of finances in Hessen. And since our economy is obviously going to be trashed after this for many years, I am not so suprised by his move, though it is of course always a sad thing. I guess. I didn´t know him personally, maybe he was an asshole. Probably.
>>533859That may all be a true, but you know what? Even a bad thing is still better than a worse thing. I am quite honestly amazed that some people are lacking the capacity and/or logic to understand that. Know any German healthcare workers that would like to trade places with the people in the other affected European nations right now, humanitarian motivations not included? I thought so.
Since I have to go to bed soon and still want to get in a little bit of time to draw first, I´m off for the night. If any of you aren´t into any art stuff yet, now is a wonderful time to start. Art is a great way of letting out your negative emotions. Maybe someone should have told the finance minister…
No. 533883
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>>533813me and most people in my dept at work came down with a very contagious and intense respiratory infection in late December. we work at a grocery store in the downtown tourist/traveller area of one of the largest cities in the USA. it was one of the more intense respiratory illnesses I've ever had. weirdest phlegm I've ever seen, was soooo exhausted, odd dry cough that took forever to go away, etc…
No. 533889
>>533887the deaths are forever though, you dont get family members back…
and the economical effects are going to be humongous
No. 533891
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Fellow massholes: does this concern you as much as it does me? Could Massachusetts be under reporting numbers to prevent panic?
No. 533905
>>533868I don't know anon, I've stayed at home for more than one month more than once during my whole life and it's annoying but not that bad.
People just need to try and be engaged in some kind of intellectual work. Extroverts are going to be fucked if they don't learn how to feel fulfilled by long distance socialization though.
No. 533909
My extended family had it.
My mom's cousin, 50, "heavier" (probably deathfat by lc standards) said you definitely shouldn't underestimate it, the issue was less the breathing, but rather the fever and complete loss of taste/smell (which is supposedly very nasty). Taking expectorants helped. Her daughter is I think 22, also had that loss of taste but otherwise "only" herpes. Her husband is still bedbound (for a week now), fever and chills, he couldn't even drive anymore and he lost a ton of weight (she didn't lose any). He's probably worse off because he smoked a lot when he was younger.
Also, a couple days (or weeks?) ago I complained on here about my grandpa being too carefree but now an acquaintance of his died (older than him but nevertheless) and as brutal as it sounds, I think he finally takes it seriously because of that.
Meanwhile my brother (who's an aspiring priest), our local priest and a couple other idiots still celebrate the mass because "muh freedom of religion"…
No. 533925
>>533813A lot of people are saying this and it may be true but it's worth nothing that this year's flu strains were weird and the vaccine was only half effective. Here's an article from Time about it.
https://time.com/5765486/flu-season-2020/I think people tend to associate the flu with nausea and GI symptoms but my understanding is that those happen sometimes, and the primary symptoms are fever, respiratory issues, and body aches. Lots of people are saying they did test negative for the flu though so who knows.
No. 533964
>>533939Seriously. Why does this thread seem to attract bizarre people who are (apparently) mostly absent from the rest of the site?
You can tell this one's not a regular because they're not familiar with the word "scrote", and they don't even know how to greentext, they use ">> <<" instead. Where do they even come from? Is there some huge directory of places where you can discuss coronavirus that includes these threads?
No. 534045
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Fucking went on a run today and the park is closed! I know that the Tokyo governor asked the parks to close on the weekend, but today? Then I hear that supposedly Abe-chan is going to command a total lockdown for Tokyo starting April 1….. schools are supposed to reopen on April 6 after almost a month of no classes. but this might mean kids wont have school for at least another month.
Fuck.
RIP Ken Shimura .
No. 534046
>>533813I posted about my case in one of the last threads…. I came back from having a 6 hour long stayover in South Korea, and a week and a half later or so I got suuuuper sick, was shivering like crazy and I was having a lot of trouble breathing (which has never happened before). I was better after around a week but I dont think Ive ever been this sick. Also like a week and a half later my kid got sick too, not as bad but it definitely fired up her asthma so had to take her to the hospital to get a nebulizer.
Wouldnt surprise me if I caught it from some chinese tourist in SK. I wish I could go get tested for antibodies.
No. 534048
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it's a bit selfish of me to be so bummed since people are literally dying, but goddamn. i was so close, anons. feels like god playing a prank on me and my friends
No. 534058
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>>534048Me too anon. I was about to finally be employed again goddammit.
No. 534070
>>534048Yeah same anon. After 4 years of mmo addiction, failing at uni, I finally got my shit together. My workplace isn't calling me because there's not much work and I'll be penniless this month. I can't see my newfound uni friends either and I was actually looking forwards to this semester.
And I'm scared I won't be able to see my bf this year since we're in an ldr and he lives in a different country.
I hope when this is over we will all be able to get our shit back together for reals this time
No. 534076
>>534048I had pre-ordered tickets for an event that was the last time it'd be in the usa for my birthday and it's canceled for good now. Finally had my classes well planned, was going to get a job, and sell stuff online. Was leaving a
toxic person behind to be more social only to be locked at home for weeks. For once shit was aligning so I could get out more with a better life.
No. 534096
>>534059Same. I read the restrictions for my country yesterday and I can still do everything that I did before, proving I never had a life to begin with.
Food shopping and solo walks with a take away coffee are my only trips out outside of work.
No. 534110
>>533844Yeah, that anon was a dick, and your rescue work is very important and appreciated, but you still shouldn't kiss your outdoor cat. And you definitely shouldn't act all superior and haughty, it's quite ironic how you say "there is sooooo much ignorance towards cats out there" when you yourself are gravely ignorant of the health threats your cat poses to you.
Please first inform yourself before educating others. Cats can transmit many types of infection to humans: bacterial, viral, fungal, parasitic, protozoan, you name it. Some of them are even deadly, all of them are unpleasant.
Do not kiss your outdoor cat ever. Wash your hands thoroughly every time you handle it. Use gloves when handling cat's excrement. Keep it off your tables, counters and beds. These are measures for your own safety that should be practiced regardless of whether covid-19 can be transmitted via cat fur.
No. 534114
>>533905Extroversion and introversion refer to how one gets energy the majority of the time (socialization or isolation.) I'm an extrovert who's been sheltering since I-don't-even-know-when (just looked it up, 22 days) and I can't relate to the people getting bored. Perhaps extroverts are more likely than introverts to use our online time socializing (and make more phone calls,) so maybe we're better prepared? No idea, but it's fun to think about.
Anyway, I have a vent. I have a disability which (other than treatments my symptoms outgrew over the years) generally necessitates immunosuppressants or similarly immunocompromising treatments. My symptoms have gotten worse than usual over the past year, and it's gotten to the point where I can't reliably walk. Obviously, I want to stave off more aggressive treatment until things settle down.
I vent, but it's hard not to keep my health problems in perspective when others have COVID-19 and I don't.
No. 534131
>>534048Was looking at buying a house, getting married and my future plan was looking really solid. Now I don't know if I'll have to use some of my savings on just living, I'm stuck isolated in a different country to my fiance and I really don't know how viable following through on my career plans will be with how everything will be changed after this.
None of that hurts quite as bad as the fact that I don't know when I'll be able to see my fiance again.
No. 534135
>>534058OH ANON SAME
Sorry to sound like an autist but this really got to me cause I was about to be reemployed and finally start working towards I want (starting my own cafe/bakery) and it all just fell apart. I can't even be creative rn and it just. sucks so fuckin much.
No. 534154
>>534149Germany is flying in french and italian patients.
Can somebody of the people who've got it tell me what their first symptoms were?
I feel so paranoid, I have very bad hay fever so I often don't really know whether it's only this or if I caught a cold. On top of having a sniff and a sore throat (which is not unusual during this time of the year), I also got a light cough since yesterday. I wouldn't even know whether I'm short of breath or just panicking like a dumbass.
No. 534165
>>534048Me too anon. I finally had savings and was going to move in another country this spring, something I've been planning to and dreaming of for the last two years. Now who knows when I'm gonna leave this shithole town and this
abusive ass household…
No. 534190
>>534162I'm hoping all these religious idiots die first and foremost, but i suppose that's too good. It pisses me off so much. i've been trapped at home for over 2 weeks, except to go out and get groceries.
I know someone in texas whose girlfriend is sad she cant attend church 4 times a week. wtf bitch?
No. 534245
>>533714fillers where and how long did they ask?
im considering and corona is making me rethink getting it.
No. 534261
>>534148the government has failed and lied right from the get go.
they say: we are well prepared
doctors say: omg we have no equipment
they have and still are making decisions without consulting the medical staff. they see numbers and dont understand how it all works.
just look at those idiots spahn and maas. plenty more of that ilk around in government.
>cant deal with situation nowjust in some places, in some areas situation is still rather relaxed.
>>534189germans are one of the poorest in terms of asset worth in europe.
government likes telling the people how good they have it.
No. 534311
>>534309Swedish. I'm still supposed to go to work if I don't have any symptoms. Life seems oddly normal here and no one I know has quarantined themselves, despite losing their jobs.
The high death rate is scary but considering most cities aren't testing for corona our number of cases is probably way larger than statistics show, so the death to case ratio isn't so abnormal.
No. 534323
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>>534275Same anon. I think we're heading in that direction. This pandemic is encouraging people to take cleanliness seriously. I was called a "germaphobe" before this all started for having masks, wipes, gloves, tissues, and hand sanitizer with me at all times, but now everyone is turning around and appreciating it.
Also Tbh I'm really liking all the stores being so clean, having customers stay separate from each other, having employees wear gloves, and being more hygienic in general. Hoping this could be something they could continue to upkeep.
No. 534331
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I'm going on twitter to mostly see how people are handling it, wishing them the best. One thing that drives me up the wall is seeing certain users using this as an opportunity to have political slap fights. This isn't the god damn time to burn bridges- I just want people to leave that shit for another day and just cooperate to find anyway to prevent the virus from killing everyone.
>>534220I can survive no internet, but what worries me most is no electricity.
No. 534351
>>534048I was searching for a job for months and was getting really desperate. I was offered a job in my desired field. BOOM. Corona happened, and the company told me they can't proceed with my application because they have to fight for survival on the market.
I feel incredibly down because in the following days I will have to apply for unemployment benefits which is something like the ultimate badge of shame in my country and I feel like crying all the time. I really thought I made it, but now the job search will get even harder. It's hard to have a positive outlook…
No. 534392
>>532644I know I'm sort of late on this subject, but isn't this whole thing counter-intuitive? China already had a censorship strict society, and the whole reason why this virus got out of control is because of censorship (killing all of the reporters/doctors who tried warning citizens). And right now the country is in a middle of a riot, and the Wuhan citizens were literally able to trample over the police force who were guarding the borders and even flipped over a few of their vans/cars, and crossed the bridge to to to other cities.
There's elites that are already experiencing the virus, and they know (like us) that reinfections will increase your chances of death (I think at most its 2 reinfections, but most I've seen who get reinfected die immediately). Also globalism is already being thrown out the garbage and people are considering focusing on nation-only goods for their own people.
Maybe I'm over optimistic or underestimating the nefarious Illuminati boomer gang, I don't know- but all I know is that everyone already saw what happened and whats happening now; we're riding it out, doing the best we can and hope for the better.
No. 534406
>>533584Somehow this idiocy doesn't surprise me.
>>533928Just a reminder that medical malpractice is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US. We have a lot of great healthcare workers but the system is shit, and unfortunately a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch.
No. 534422
>>534206If you don't feel safe and you can risk being unemployed, I don't see why not. Health workers aren't being protected enough imo.
>>534220lol. I have physical books to read and other non-virtual amusements I can avail myself of. I once spent almost two weeks with nothing but a stereo for music, reading by candle light. Not that i wouldn't miss the internet for awhile but that would pass.
No. 534426
>>533405No good streams, just folks like these
>>532548 who post intermittently. Bigger picture stuff.
No. 534428
>>533936>Maybe antivaxxers and dumbassesHey if you want to risk being one of the people that died or had their health ruined for the rest of their lives
>>532625 be my guest. Pick your poison, chief. Why don't the pro-vaxxers ever bring up the vaccine injury court? Vaccines aren't some magic bullet. They're useful in an extremely limited capacity.
No. 534439
>>534370This is interesting, thanks anon. Come back and share again if your friend says anything else. On the ground info is what some of us are looking for.
I have a friend in NJ with an at risk family member and I’m worried for him.
No. 534451
>>533529>>533631It's been called the totalitarian tiptoe - micro escalation. I'm all for taking reasonable precautions but shit like this
>>533090>took two hours to get into the store because of the “2 people per shop” rule + got stopped numerous times by the police asking where he was goingis ridiculous. No one should be waiting two fucking hours to buy food then harassed by authorities because of some arbitrary rule that serves no logical function. Will they start spraying all public surfaces with bleach every second of the day? Is everyone going to be walking around with rulers, telling on anyone
>>534121 who disobeys?
Wouldn't it be more reasonable to mandate mask wearing inside the stores instead?
Things can go from reasonable and sane, to unreasonable and insane in a nano-second. And you can't say most of these govts (speaking as a USfag) care about human lives when they piss away literally TRILLIONS of $$ on weapons of war that
torture, maim and kill innocent people everyday. They can fuck right off with that bullshit. Don't even get me started on how the poor and homeless are treated. So pardon me for being a little skeptical or sounding a tad conspiratorial.
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Selfish vent but I’ve had my hours severely reduced, while almost all of my coworkers have been laid off. I feel bad complaining but I’ve had my wages quartered and I’m still one of the lucky ones. I have a feeling that won’t be the case for much longer though. Part of me was definitely fine with this because I work with a lot of tourists and was sick of direct interaction, but now we’ve switched to only curbside. I feel much safer but we’re only getting sales every 3 days, and if we reduce hours I’m definitely next on the chopping block. This would be okay with me but I was denied for unemployment despite the fact that my state explicitly said that reduced hours workers could still apply, and I’ve gone from full time to 12 hours a week. One of my former employers also said that I never worked there and I think that’s a factor, one I can’t change now that the claim has been filed. This would also be okay if I was getting something from the stimulus bill but NOPE, parents claimed me as a dependent last year so I’m fucked.
I don’t even feel safe in my own house because my parents have decided to go through with the construction on our house because the contractors won’t pull a deal with them to postpone anything. My mom said there would be one guy working today but there ended up being four. I could see them all hanging out 3 feet from each other, shaking hands and sharing vapes. I was so relieved when we reduced all the contact at my work but now I can’t have an peace of mind while at home either. Whenever I try and vent I just get snide comments and I’m over it.
No. 534470
>>534331>I can survive no internet, but what worries me most is no electricityThat shouldn't be what worries you, take it from an anon that survived a decade of civil war. You can cook and warm yourself on gas or wood.
Shit hits the fan when the water is turned off. By itself not having running water is a huge problem, with the virus it would be downright catastrophic.
As long as water supply is functioning, I'm pretty chill about living through this, I've been through far worse and deadlier shit.
No. 534524
>>534504>>534514They've known about the virus and news for weeks, why wouldn't they have gotten two week's worth of provisions so they wouldn't have to venture out in case they became ill? Or ask someone to deliver them groceries?
Yes, the entire point of quarantine and lockdown when someone's sick but can't verify for covid is to stay inside their house for a length of time.
No. 534541
>>534536Well of course one is better than the other but as someone close to sweden, i'd hope they'd up their game a little.
>>534537 oof, i'm sorry you're dealing with that bullshit anon, sounds like chaos
No. 534543
>>534541It is chaos indeed. Two days ago they had to issue a goverment announcement to restrict non-essential bussinesses from opening. Not the public kind, those were already closed, but factories or construction kinds.
They listed the businesses allowed to keep working (farms, textiles, pharma) and the last one was "every business that could be considered essential". Like WTF nothing changed because all the goddamn business owner will find a hole to make his shit essential.
Sorry for the sperging, the lockdown is driving me nuts.
No. 534557
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7 years prison for violating quarantine
other cities closing down
number of young people sick exceeds that of older population
and i just read england builds a huge storage for 4k bodies???
No. 534576
>>534543>Like WTF nothing changed because all the goddamn business owner will find a hole to make his shit essential. Construction work stopped, for one.
And sooner or later every country will restrict freedom of movement even more, my fellow Spaniard Anon. Italy did before us. Nobody fucking likes this, so stop complaining. Everyone is on the same boat as you, everyone wants to go out to enjoy the lovely rainy weather we're getting.
I would be more worried about what comes after this. Spain relies on tourism and nobody will want to travel after this. This is going to be worse than 2008.
No. 534579
>>534576>Nobody fucking likes this, so stop complaining. Just because people don't give a fuck about their freedom doesn't mean I won't complain. I will, at least until they take that right from us as well.
Italy did it and now they're getting riots and looting.
No. 534585
>>534579Going wherever you want means a chance of getting sick or getting other people sick. It's as simple as that.
>I will, at least until they take that right from us as well."Estado de Alarma" doesn't allow restrictions of freedom of speech so there's no reason to worry about that.
I know we're all nervous but come on. Try to keep a cold head.
No. 534587
>>534585The thing is we're accepting everything "for the greater good" and I'm scared it's a matter of time until they restrict everything. It's not the current situation which stresses me out the most, but the will of the people to let the police abuse happen and even take part of said abuse. It will lead to more restrictions and people won't bat an eye because it was done little by little.
Taking your dog for a walk has the same risk. Why can't the dog owners eat it up and clean after their filth balls? I went shopping and had to avoid 3 dog shits. The grocery store is 50m from my house.
No. 534599
>>534588Their neighbor didn't get the mail or swallowed their spit, they were constantly caughing and leaving/entering the building.
>>534596Just stay at home instead of being a danger to others. It's not rocket science.
No. 534611
>>534607>hurrdurr just stay home and order online!1!1No idea why dumbfucks like you won't get that into your thick skulls - this is not possible for many, if not the majority of people!
Where do you get your money from? How about some consideration for already extremely overworked postmen? Not everybody lives in big cities there this is common or available. Deliveries nowadays should be for the sick and elderly, not for sperging neets.
No. 534618
>>534611>extremely overworked postmenhonestly I think they're fucking glad they're not out of jobs or on unpaid leave like many others.
My mom is an overworked intensive care worker but she sure is glad she still has a paying job.
No. 534620
>>534611>this is not possible for many, if not the majority of people!It is and me and other anons told you why.
>Where do you get your money from?>sperging neetsSo your obsession with neets is just projection?
>How about some consideration for already extremely overworked postmen? Now you care about the postmen, but not your neighbors or literally anyone else? Stop hiding behind "what abouts".
>Not everybody lives in big cities there this is common or available. Then overworked postmen wouldn't be an issue? You can ship things everywhere, that doesn't have anything to do with cities. No. 534627
>>534618They're not at risk of losing their jobs, so we don't need to stress them out on top of what they already have to do. If more people order, it'll take longer or things get sold out, so old or sick people can't get what they need.
>>534620Yeah, tell me more about how you know what is and what isn't possible for random people online…
Asking about money is a
valid question, since home office is only possible for a few. Are the rest of us just supposed to quit in order to no longer needing to go out for work?
Who said I don't care about my neighbours? Again, not everybody lives in big cities, there's a couple of metres of garden and bushes between my neighbours houses and I, us catching the virus from each other is literally not possible.
By ordering online you're putting the postmen at risk, by going shopping I also only put one person, the cashier, at risk, since you'll get fined if you get to closer to another costumer.
I and all the other people who have to go outside are doing as best as we can, so quit virtue signalling about why others don't just stay at home. It screams massive entitlement. Be happy that you won't get sick, no need to shit on others who are working and scared that they might infect their families.
No. 534629
>>534616Depends on what you're willing to risk. Extending the lease will be less headache but then you either have to face living in nyc which will be an epicenter for months, or suffer paying rent on a place you won't even occupy for awhile yet. If you need healthcare or fall sick the hospitals in that area will be a nightmare if you could get care at all.
Moving out may be wise, but to where? You should pick an area with fewer cases of corona, which may have to be elsewhere that's not nyc proper. The good news is that I'm sure many property owners are looking for employed people who can still afford rent to occupy their properties during the crisis. I don't think finding someplace new would be a problem, the logistics of moving would be the worst part.
Me? I'd gtfo of nyc.
No. 534635
>>534634Lol a local serial rapist was let out on bail bc of corona infected prisons fears. But anyone who ignores quarantine after returning to the country could face prison time!
Give me a fucking break
No. 534638
>>534634>The only way to combat ignorance and selfishness without getting authoritarian, is through public shamingThe only way to combat public ignorance is by informing the public.
And let's not regress into medieval practices, we got rid of witch-hunts for a reason.
No. 534643
>>534637It's called self preservation and everyone's got a sense of it. People who choose to leave aren't evil, nyc isn't doing enough for people and I don't blame folks who are scared, angry, and critical.
If I lived in nyc I would've started packing two weeks ago.
No. 534645
>>534638>by informing the public We had an obese orange ape wearing a blonde wig in the White House telling us as of a couple days ago that this virus would be over by Easter. A week before that, news outlets were reporting that this virus would be no worse than the flu. Since the beginning, news sources also hyped up that young people wouldn't be hit so bad by the virus, which they now take as license to be out in public and nothing anyone says will change their minds.
The majority of people are in complete fucking denial because they got to pick and choose what sources they got their info from, some of which were incompetent and not out for their interests. People don't want to hear your information. They want their food and they want it NOW. They want their clubs, beaches, and public spaces back and they want it NOW.
We are wayyyyy past the point of trying to take the high road and being the voice of reason when the people don't care anymore. And btw, shaming isn't medieval or tortuous like a witch hunt, although it sure does feel that way eh? A punishment isn't supposed to tickle.
No. 534649
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I just found out that my mother and grandmother have been trying to not only take a flight across the country, but also cross the border into Mexico (where my extended family is). The only reason I found out is because their flight was cancelled THREE times and my mom finally slipped up and complained to me. What the fuck??? What is wrong with them?? Maybe I understand an elderly woman just wanting to be home in her country, but what the hell is my mother's problem that she would think it's safe to take her?? She actually got angry and snapped at me that I have no idea what it's like to be trapped and just want to go home. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what all the careless fucks who spread the disease around the world thought too!! I cannot fucking take this any longer I'm going to drop dead from anxiety if older people don't start fearing death a little more
Anyway, aren't the borders supposed to be closed?? Any burger/mexico anons know? I'm so nervous, I hope their shit keeps getting cancelled
No. 534670
>>534641But I am not sick, so I continue working and therefore also leaving the house, whether you like it or not.
>And I'm a fucking working poorfag too, with an actual family at home who needs to worry because of retards like you.So you are working and that's alright, but I and others who also do are somehow at fault if somebody happens to your family…logic? Lmao
Also, "actual" family…? Compared to others' imaginary ones, right?
No. 534682
>>534629TY for listing it out in bullet points for me; it really is sort of a no-win.
Additionally, it’s difficult for NYC to evict,so I’m expecting pickins to be sparse. Perhaps my building will let me do month-to-month until this shit blows over. Fuck it; I’m not LOSING money right? Maybe I could mail my keys to a friend who wants to at least get out of Manhattan.
>>534637>>534643I holed up in my apartment for a couple weeks, and then got the fuck out of dodge.
I’ve seen enough disaster movies; My black ass wasn’t going to wait around for nyc to be deemed a lost cause, the bridges blown out, and Bane II lords over us on a throne of toilet paper.
I’m not an asshole though, and I’ve been keeping indoors and didn’t leave the state until I’d quarantined myself a while.
No. 534764
>>534745>I anonymously let my landlord know that I am paranoid they are coughing on shit lol.>I didn't rat anyone out specifically to my landlordNice backpedalling.
Your landlord and your neighbour probably had a good laugh about that one weird woman who's holed up in her apartment since weeks and always get's alcohol delivered kek
No. 534770
>>534764Why should anon pretend there is any solidarity with her retard neighbor? Because they live in close physical proximity to one another and they pay the same person to live there?
Why couldn't her neighbor actually practice reasonable hospitality and empathy by not coughing all over the common area?
Who gives a fuck whether her neighbor was sick or not, coughing all over the place automatically voids any "good neighbor sentiment".
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In Maine, just got announced we can't leave our homes till May 1rst, starting Thursday. I HAVE TO GET GROCERIES FUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKK.
it's going to be a war zone, we already had random people driving up asking where they can get fucken eggs.
No. 534802
>>534787Okay but the reason why we're not okay with that is because the people deserving of the darwinism jeopardize innocent people actually being mindful and following the protocols.
Sorry but these people are a huge problem and literally a vector of disease.
No. 534820
>>534807Yeah, I am happy we're doing this. We have the most elderly people in the US and a lot of them were not changing their schedules.
The next two days will be scary, luckily I got all the shit I need for the month. I wouldn't be shocked if it gets extended though, I have no hope this is going to die down in just a couple of weeks.
No. 534863
So I havent updated in a couple of days. I still have the chest pressure with no other symptoms. This is day 9 or 10. My coughing gets worse at night but is getting better every morning when I wake up. Im still breathing fine. Every once in awhile I feel a pulse of pain in my chest especially right by my ribcage. But its only happened a couple of times today. My throat is a little scratchy the last couple of days but its probably because of coughing. Still keeping up my regimen of citrus, multivitamins daily, hot tea at night. Tons of water during the day. Going out in the yard for at least 30 minutes a day when the sun is at its brightest in my area. Im eating a LOT more. I went from having no appetite for over 2 weeks, to actually craving foods and being able to eat whole meals(still only one a day) without feeling like im going to vomit. I think part of the reason its better is because Im not having as many panic attacks. I went from having them 5ish times a day(full on sobbing, unconsolable, not able to breathe) to having them only once every couple of days, and its usually just because i become overwhelmed with emotion about my parents potentially getting sick. Still no fever. Im thinking about all the other anons who have this or are going to have it, or who have someone they care about that has it. I dont know why or how my symptoms have been so mild in comparison to what feels like everyone else who is testing positive. But Ive made peace with my spirituality, which I think plays a huge part in helping me stay calm, because you never know. I've basically accepted that what is going to happen, is going to happen. Try not to fear. Keep your faith in whatever it is you believe. Religion or no religion. Just make peace with the situation, hope for the best, and do things that make you feel at peace and happy right now. And it doesnt hurt to communicate how you feel to people you care about. Pick up the phone or get online and let those you love know how much you care about them.
No. 534933
>>534645>And btw, shaming isn't medieval or tortuous like a witch hunt, although it sure does feel that way eh? No. Shaming is a medieval tactic for getting people in line that we got rid of because it spirals out of control and turns into witch-hunts easily. Do you think anyone can control public outrage? No, it spreads like wildfire. Do you think it's a good idea to unleash something that uncontrollable in the middle of a world crisis? No, it's incredibly dumb.
Like I said, there is a good reason civilization replaced shaming with better mechanisms. Trust in our ancestors that they did the right things shaping our civilization. The lessons they learned came at great price. Let's not repeat them.
No. 534961
>>534599>>534601How about everyone wears a mask, don't touch/cough on each other and mind our own fucking business unless someone's getting physically hurt or attacked. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
>>534611>Deliveries nowadays should be for the sick and elderly, not for sperging neets.Agreed. They should have priority. The rest of us who can use our legs, should.
No. 534965
>>534634>>534933My local grocer's done this with some shoplifters, pasting their images up on the front doors, but because they've been caught selling literal rotten food no one gives a shit lol.
They do this "shaming" bullshit in some Chinese communities where people have those ridiculous social credit scores. If their score is too low they can't do basic things like ride a train, FUCK that. Anyone who wants more of a society like that needs their head checked.
No. 534967
>>534645>because they got to pick and choose what sources they got their info fromThat's what happens in a society with freedom of speech anon. People have to discern, use their fucking brains and decide which information is legit or not, which granted is difficult because everyone
(including governments and a lot of "authorities") lie. There's propaganda all over the goddamn place.
You know you're really screwed when you're no longer allowed to think for yourself.
No. 534970
>>534967Great points.
Welp, freedom of press in Serbia died today. It took our president just one day to follow in Orban's footsteps just like I feared. Now they have a monopoly on information.
But how can I trust the government to act in my best interest when our current president used to be the right-hand man to that genocidal maniac Milosevic?
The threat of dictatorship is fresh in my mind, it feels like just yesterday. Thus new virus threat does not erase the old one.
I see more countries succumbing to dictatorship in response to corona, Turkmenistan is now one of them. And where there are dictatorships, there will be revolutions. Get ready anons, this ride will get even wilder.
No. 534973
>>534970Reading posts like these
>>534550 is for lack of better words, sobering and dismaying. There are governments that will use this crisis to crack down on human rights and freedoms, which honestly is a lot more scary than a virus. I'd rather face a virus than a brutal dictatorship. I know some people might disagree with that but I don't think they know history.
I often think of China as a good example of government run amok. The technocracy/total surveillance (control) there is nearly full blown, particularly in the cities, and it looks soul crushing, which of course is the point. It's a testament to the strong spirit of the people that they still protest, even now.
No. 534994
>>534973>China as a good example of government run amokThe Chinese government's tried to sell their technocratic hellscape as some kind of futuristic utopia where privacy doesn't exist and your rights - actually privileges - are taken away if you disobey or don't comply, this has nothing to do unlawfulness - the endlessly absurd laws in existence notwithstanding.
Technocracy, the IoT (Internet of Things) is pushed for the purposes of control. There's this effort to put everything online and yet cyber crimes are through the roof, so what's the real intent behind it? I'm not a luddite by any means but IoT is not only stupid, it's ultimately inhuman.
If you trust the state to get overly involved in policing what you should or shouldn't be doing, where does it end? Where will it end? Some people place way too much trust in these systems and those who run them.
No. 534997
>>534986Yes it was a dire situation where people were scared, hungry, and desperate for a better standard of living. I would hope we've learned something from all that.
There are always opportunists looking to take advantage of vulnerable people, people who are more likely to let themselves be taken advantage of when they're afraid or feel at the end of their rope.
No. 535000
>>534992That's great. Happy for your dad. Thanks for the update.
>>534999Yeah i saw Kiwi might be shutting down? We'll have to start working on our telepathy anons lol.
No. 535008
>>534962Oh that’s too bad anon- I hope they’ll be ok. If they’re able to work from home they should be fine; my biggest worry is my friends out of work entirely or who still have to go in.
I will be contacting my landlord today to see if we can do month-to-month for awhile. I’m lucky to have this situation so I won’t squander it.
No. 535027
>>534823Highlights:
>The threat of a deadly pandemic is the perfect context to introduce aggressive police state tactics. People are scared and they want to see decisive measures taken by their government. However, once this is all said and done, will society recover 100% of its freedoms? Or will it gradually go back to about 50%, celebrating each percent as a victory?
>in a matter of days, governments went from banning “large gatherings” to banning gatherings of “2+ people”.
>These unprecedented restrictions on human contact generated a climate of fear and paranoia as people began to alert authorities of illegal gathering. While these “snitches” would argue that “the faster the epidemic is eradicated, the faster we all return to normalcy”, precedents are being set.
>Albert Fox Cahn, the executive director of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project believes that most of these measures are here to stay. He stated:>“We have absolutely no reason to believe that the government agencies that are eager to expand their power in response to COVID-19 will be willing to see those authorities lapse once the virus is eradicated.”
>If the lockdown persists, we can expect a major shift in the global economy: Small and medium businesses will struggle and die while gigantic entities will thrive as they turn into monolithic “distribution centers” for essential goods.
>Although the absolute necessity of these measures is up for debate, there is no possible debate about their necessity once the virus is gone. And we need to make sure that the dystopian nightmare we are living now does not become permanent. Because, right now, some power-hungry people are salivating and they will only want more of this. No. 535059
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52106863I'm not religious but the idea of a loved one leaving in an ambulance and never seeing them again is horrible.
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Do you guys think the general public will be more or less healthy after the virus is over/during quarantine?
People seem to be excercising more during the quarantine in order to keep themselves occupied and people eating less to conserve food
But some might argue that people are only excercise for the first few weeks but then stop excercising as time goes on as well as the fact that people are lazing/sitting around more because they can't go outside
What are your predictions?
No. 535074
>>535068That's fucked up. If the police can't help her now ask her if there are any neighbours or friends with whom she can move during these times. It's shitty leaving your own home, but unfortanetely that's what happens in DV. I heard that in some contries women shelters are closed, but holy fuck, are they needed now.
>>535070>>535073Alternatively this. Or pray for Corona to take him.
No. 535083
>>535059It has nothing to do with being religious. You do realize you can be kind and compassionate without being religious?
The point is this is really, really sad. This is the reality right now that if you get sick and die in the hospital, you die alone. I cant imagine losing your wife or partner of 51 years, only to not be allowed to say goodbye or see them. it's really heart breaking
No. 535086
>>535073>>535074>>535075>>535070thank you all for the suggestions. unfortunately she has no other family there except for my siblings. my brother is as he is, and my sister is staying with my dad. she cant kick him out because hes 17 still. my parents have split up, and my dad refuses to have any contact with my mom and my brother. she is not especially close with the neighbours, in fact the neighbours avoid my mom because of my brother and his behaviour. i think the fact that shes a foreigner may impact that as well but idk.
she wants to come home, but its hard because of the virus, my brother probably wouldnt get on the plane, and also she would have to abandon her cat because it doesnt have a passport.
No. 535107
>>535098weve already called the police on him multiple times before, for worse. the maximum the police did was lock him in a jail cell for a night one time as a warning, but he just came back home the next morning even more angry and violent. the last time, they told my mom they dont want to do anything drastic because hes still under 18 and they "dont want to ruin his future". he has been sent to the closed ward at the local psychiatry unit before, but they let him out of there after a few hours too.
Most of the time, the police will tell him off for being mean to my mom for maybe 15 minutes and then leave.
No. 535156
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I'm having trouble processing this kind of evil. Why would someone do this? Her husband is an American, so shouldn't she have some care? Some of the comments are pointing out she has a criminal record for domestic violence
https://twitter.com/WBYeats1865/status/1245017730169724931She literally talks about how nice the people in the store are, but she's
still doing this, and she's proud of it. I just don't understand.
No. 535159
>>535131Sorry to disappoint anon but not everyone has this symptom. There's some suggestion that it could be a good one to look out for in otherwise asymptomatic cases, but there's plenty of people confirmed to have COVID-19 who can still smell and taste. It's also yet another symptom that can be caused by a million other cold and flu viruses, so not much use as a diagnostic tool.
Heck, there was one study that found out of 204 confirmed cases, 49% presented with some sort of digestive issues as their main symptom. This virus is just all over the place in how people react to it.
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>>535156was reading the twitter comments and came across this LOL
No. 535189
>>535107What country is this anon? Somehow I'm not surprised the police are useless.
I might suggest thinking of ways your mother can de-escalate the situation, something to help suppress the chimpouts? A chimpbrain is very easy to appease. I'm sure she tries to avoid him anyway, but whatever little things she can do to keep him occupied with something that's
not her - does he play video games? Does he try to occupy himself with things and she tries to dissuade him? Interact as little as possible. Does he have friends he can slum around with outside? God people like him need to get Corona and fuck off. Sorry anon.
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>>535156Is this a meme? It looks like a joke.How's she buying up all this shit when stores everywhere are limiting purchases per customer?
>>535166kek. Someone did a similar thing with Trump too except it was CG'd onto a video. The vid's floating around somewhere on twitter.
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>creates an environment where they need billions a year to survive
>constantly blows hundreds of millions on projects, some dont even see the light of day
>owns literally everything and constantly undercuts its own businesses with other businesses because it has to do everything.
i mean its a recipe for disaster
No. 535205
>>535189they live in the uk. she tries to de escalate the situation, but i think its just teaching him he can get what he wants if he pushes hard enough. most of his chimpouts are because he does drugs and he beats my mom until she gives him money for the drugs, or drives him to the next town over to meet with his "friends". and even as shes driving, if she does/says something he doesnt like hell start grabbing the steering wheel from his seat and threaten to steer the car off the road. she usually ends up giving in to him because hes much stronger than her. hes broken bones before.
and idk what she could do to keep him occupied. he doesnt do anything all day anyway. he used to play video games, but he doesnt even do that anymore. its a constant cycle of him being completely out of it because of drugs/alcohol and then when it wears off he starts chimping out and beating her for money for more. imo he needs to be locked up in a psych ward, but my extended family keeps pressuring my mom to bail him out because leaving him in the psych ward is apparently "evil".
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>>535166>>535200They've moonlighted as bff's too.
I have to say, nothing's more brilliant than "disappearing" people for disagreeing with you. I give no fucks about politics it's just lulzy how full of shit all these people are.
No. 535226
>>535205>he does drugs>she gives him money for the drugsWell that's a problem. He's on drugs and the police aren't arresting him? Can't
she get in trouble for giving him money to buy drugs, and he's still a minor?? UK has some of the strictest drug laws in europe. How are they not arresting him if he's committing assault/battery? You mentioned the police said they "didn't want to ruin his future", what future does he have as a violent drug addict? With his reputation in the neighborhood, they know how he is so they can also put pressure on the cops to keep him locked up.
If your mom wants to live and she can't go somewhere else, she needs to get him put away somewhere, if it's psych ward or something.
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>>534392Appreciate ya, anon. I think the riot you're referring to was in Hubei, Wuhan is the capital.
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>>535239Interesting how that source reported "dozens" while this one says "thousands".
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-melee-03272020131506.html No. 535307
>>535156I told you, people like her bought out all the masks way back in January/ early Feburary.
This is literally Chinese Art of War.
No. 535314
Serbanon here, with my daily warning to preserve your freedoms in the face of the pandemic.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/1/serbias-coronavirus-crackdown-and-warning-americaNow, I really couldn't give less of a fuck about religion so I don't stand behind the example given in the opinion piece, "But government is government is government. There are always those in government who will seek to use crisis situations to personal advantage". And the US has already had it's first attack on human rights - certain states tried to ban abortion services during the pandemic. That is a serious, serious rights violation that has been averted, but look how little time it took the opportunists to jump on the chance!
Civilization is incredibly valuable but incredibly fragile. Please don't let it crumble under a pandemic. Protect your way of life as much as you protect life itself. Or risk ending up like us.
No. 535323
>>535320A coworker of mine's wife is a nurse with the NHS. Apparently the masks they are supplied with are only 95% effective. Mad!
>>535315I would kinda understand her mad hand washing were she in any sort of way exposed to the outside on the reg but she literally hasn't left the house once ever since the lockdown was announced (or even some days before) and I bring the filth in like 2 days out the week. We aren't particularly close and ever since her lice backpedal I don't even know how to suggest for her to chill with the hand washing a bit since apparently it isn't corona related (my ass).
No. 535324
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Went out shopping for essentials a few days ago. I was absolutely shocked about the amount of people not wearing gloves or masks (60% weren't wearing any protection and 10% just had a mask on)
No. 535328
>>535324I take my mask out outside cause I've got bad eyesight and can't see shit without glasses, speaking of how the fuck do people with glasses manage with a mask? Mine just get super foggy.
When I enter the store I put my mask on and breathe very, very slowly.
Also the only reason why we have masks is because my dad works in the hospital, otherwise we wouldn't be able to have them, I'm not even going to talk about gloves since those are almost impossible to get. I keep my distance and I don't touch anything I don't plan on buying, sorry you're shocked but a lot of people can't get their hands on these.
No. 535341
>>535336How much would the fine be for your dad’s and would you be able to get there without using public transport?
Also are you still working but from home?
No. 535343
>>535341I'm studying, nearly finished my degree. I could get fined £660 plus its £20 just for a one way ticket home because train price gouging is unregulated.
I'm in so much pain but I don't want to be alone during quarantine. I love him so much. How can someone so beautiful be so cruel
No. 535347
>>535343If you find a way to get to your dads without using public transport, I will pay your fucking fine if you get one.
I’m deadass. I make good money now, and I’m powerless to really do much most of the time, but I can do this. If you can’t take it- I’ll be checking on this thread later.
I’m sorry you’re going through this; the cruelty of people stings every time. I hope you find some peace in the meantime anon.
No. 535348
>>535332Oh interesting, although I doubt my 3rd world country would have that somewhere near me
Offtopic but I didn't watch simon and martina in like 7 years, glad to see martina is doing well
No. 535355
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News outlets have underestimated the problem.
No. 535361
>>535355They are not entirely wrong though. I'm sure if we got the same body count for all major illnesses (cancer, respiratory issues due to contamination, heart issues, obesity) corona would be a joke. It's only dangerous because it's new and it spreads way too fast.
Also the way they count the deaths "due to the virus" bothers me. My ex's dad died and he's one of those deaths accounted due to the virus. He had 2 brain tumors and lung cancer and in December he had 3 months to live according to the doctors. He didn't die because of the virus ffs.
No. 535378
>>535377As a Spaniard I can tell you why our death rate is so high.
First, almost no one gets tested. I have 2 friends who had it, showed most of the symptoms, called and have been told to stay home and call again only if they felt it was life threatening because they are young with no preexisting conditions. They already recovered but you won't see them neither on the "infected" or "recovered" stats. They estimate the actual infected people are at least 10x more than what we know. Unless you need ICU or you're a famous person or politician you won't get tested.
Second, we have a huge number of elders, and somehow the virus spread like wildfire into retirement homes. It also doesn't help that old people were the first to break the quarantine filling the parks and exposing themselves. We had a 70yo fined because he was found on the streets playing Pokémon GO.
The third one is that Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia have extremely polluted air and lots of people get respiratory issues because of the pollution. Most deaths are from these 3 cities.
No. 535386
>>535380I mean low is a subjective term. If it overwhelms your hospitals (and morgues) then it's a disaster even if the
victims are "just old people".
No. 535390
>>535347Your sympathy is touching, I'm totally overwhelmed by this kindness.
It's not even the money. I'm just absolutely lovestruck and heartbroken, I feel like my world is collapsing around me. How could someone I valued and financially supported for a year, constantly waited on hand and food and became everything he wanted including adapting to his interests, betray me this way. I also ignored his ex girlfriend's batshit obsession/attempts to antagonise me.
Why are men capable of such intense cruelty? Why are they so unable to see when they are fortunate? His entire family adore me and his grandmother even said she wanted nothing to do with him if he left me. I'm such a good wife, I don't understand this!
Thank you for the support, anon.
No. 535413
>>535407No it wasn't. Don't pull any nonsense like that. It's aerosol when
victims are being intubated in medical settings, but that is not out in the normal air. It lasts for a couple minutes max in the air and falls to surfaces. That's why the rampant need for disinfections.
No. 535437
>>535433They should make simple demonstrations and pamphlets like you see in airplanes before lift off. Except instead of demonstrating how to use the oxygen mask and seat belt, they show you how to use a regular mask and gloves.
Such a simple thing, could save so many lives.
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>>535463no kek, that seems bit far fetched also. don't really see state giving up all its liberties after this that easily tho. also people stockpiling crap that they cannot even eat (like perishables) leaving actually vulnerable people like the elderly without, forcing them to go out more to hit up different shops etc is imo more detrimental yes.
>>535460was not talking about global stats as i am not familiar with them, but strictly bearing in mind UK, the current mortality rate of 2.something k is much less than 17k of a run of the mill flu season is it not?
also 28k beaths mentioned by you are just the number of infections i think? which like isn't a death sentence really.
No. 535477
>>535449The deaths in the US from flu are about 380 daily. We just had 1000 deaths that we know of from coronavirus overnight.
Is 380 deaths more or less than 1000?
No. 535480
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My parents decided to go through with construction work despite everything, and now there’s 5 strangers continuously going in and out of my house. Mom said they’d be using an entrance on the side of the house, that’s a lie and are taking up the main entryway and are right outside my bedroom door. I just heard one of them talking about how he didn’t feel good yesterday.
I’m just going to get shamed as a prissy white woman no matter what I do and I’m so close to calling the city. This is my house and I don’t feel safe.
No. 535490
>>535483They gave these guys 18K and for some reason cant seem to just fucking push it back like everything else. My mom keeps giving me this sob story about how if we don’t do this they might ‘not eat’ but even then why not work something out where they take some of the money now and the rest when they can actually finish the job. I think they just don’t want to deal with only having one shower right now, but there’s only three people in my family. It’s been mildly annoying but it’s not a big deal.
Four men just walked into my house so I think there’s actually six total people. I’m going to fucking scream. The other day they were all talking outside, like 2-3 feet apart and shaking hands. I’m losing my fucking mind.
No. 535533
>>535483>>535482please don't do this, we don't have a choice and have been listed as essential services. We're literally having general contractors trying to sue our company into oblivion for pulling crews off jobs that they deemed too high risk for their crews. We don't want to be doing this anymore than you do, trust me.
If you insist on reporting someone, report the owners of the job site.
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What are your bets on India's infection/death count? It's going to be a real shitshow.
No. 535736
>>535603I hope you don't have it. But if you do, it's mild and you get paid leave from work to recover.
I've been suffering endless stomach pains and gas for the last two weeks. My nerves are wrecking me to the point I have to take benadryl to get to sleep at night.
No. 535804
>>535532>This has exposed the entire medical industry in a few mere months.None of this comes as a surprise to anyone who's been paying attention - the industry's been getting exposed for years. Most countries were supposed to have protocols in place to deal with situations like this "pandemic", yet somehow they're totally caught off guard? Medical staff are having shortages of equipment/can't find what they need? No wonder people are dying in droves: the system itself, is shit.
You have 1st world nations are acting 3rd world tier. Pathetic people in charge.
No. 535808
>>535804The industry's focus up until now was turning as many white people as possible into opiate addicts.
Opiates bring in money, preparation for pandemics drain money.
Capitalist healthcare prioritizes capital, not healthcare. People being shocked that capitalism doesn't prioritize lives are funny.
No. 535809
>>535366We'll never really know given how faulty the test is. Then there's China doing CT scans only. How can you draw reliable stats from that? Why shouldn't China's data be excluded altogether with the governments track record
>>535216? So far the worst hit countries besides China and the US, is Italy, and this is what their medical leaders have said
>>532649. It's mostly elderly dying, hence the high fatality rate there.
No. 535813
>>535378>we have a huge number of eldersSpain's the same as Italy then.
>Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia have extremely polluted air and lots of people get respiratory issues because of the pollution.I think this article about Italy
>>532649 also mentions the bad air quality and how the province with the most "infections" and deaths, also has the worst pollution - same with China if I'm not mistaken. That can't be a coincidence. Not saying this virus isn't real, just that people are falling ill from many things, Covid being one of many factors.
No. 535816
>>535815Yes but nobody's proven the test works as it should
>>532635, or that all these people are actually being diagnosed correctly. I'm sure there's medical error all over the place, especially in the US.
Everything I've read about the testing method leaves more questions than answers. If I have to I'll post what the CDC said about it because they didn't sound too sure either. We can waffle on about how many people might have died from the virus but with such faulty testing methods, everyone's just pissing in the wind guessing about mortality rates.
No. 535834
>>535815>Covid is a respiratory diseaseI believe it was researchers in China who made the claim that the number one symptom of Covid is pneumonia. Well roughly 300,000 people die from pneumonia in China every year, and now suddenly it's the virus causing this? I don't think so. And whaddya know their only method of testing for the virus is doing a CT scan of the lungs to check for…pneumonia, like that's worth fuck all. Information coming out of there is worthless, and if it's directly from the dictatorship, it can be dismissed immediately.
>>535827American's health and healthcare system sucking balls is also another important variable in this whole mess.
No. 535840
>>535833If you weren't being disingenuous you would've mentioned the source of that figure
>>528674. Anon was quoting from the article. You didn't that's why you got it wrong lol.
No. 535859
>>535834ntaywrt but pneumonia is a complication of covid. Pneumonia is also a complication of the flu and other respiratory infections.
Back in December China started seeing more and more cases of pneumonia, much more than they usually would have, that's when they started investigating further and discovered it was covid that was causing these extra cases of pneumonia.
CT scan isn't the best diagnostic methodology but by using CT they were able to quickly work out how many additional cases of pneumonia/lung damage they were seeing so it's more like a screening test rather than diagnostic. Until we have antibody testing we really don't know how many people who are infected.
No. 535869
>>535390>>535796Thank you for responding kindly to her and offering sound advice.
I figured the real issue wasn’t money, but unfortunately I can’t help with the other. When you’re in that desperate state, nothing eases the hurt except the person who caused it. It’s some kind of trauma bonding codependent horseshit, and I know how bad it can be.
One day Anon, you’ll get mad- you’ll see how shit he’s been, and you’ll get mad instead of sad, and it’s so so much better, and your life gets so much better. I hope it comes soon.
No. 536110
>>535603You absolutely have it anon. I got the exact same thing, down to the eye soreness. I've probably been out as much as you because of an essential job and getting items for my family.
I've read that you might not be eating, drinking, or sleeping enough and you need to be taking a multivitamin. A lot of it comes down to poor nutrition and hydration and it'll hit you with those all at once if you're off in one of those areas.
Don't be scared of it. I fought it off once I got my vitamins up and started eating and drinking regularly. Remember not to "sleep it off" if you feel really bad because you'll wake up feeling worse and with a terrible headache and usually body pains. Hydrate, eat something good for you, (consider something like bone broth chicken soup) and take some anti-viral vitamins.
No. 536504
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Anyone else frustrated by family and friends not taking them seriously and dismissing any concerns? I've been following covid since January and trying to warn my loved ones to prepare since February. The shift in perception from "it's just a flu" to "we should wear masks" has been strange to see.
I'm fact, a month ago my own sister made fun of me for stocking up on food and medicine-and now shes saying that she always knew it was going to be a big deal. The thing is shes still taking our immune compromised mother(who is also recovering from another respiratory infection) out to get food because they need to "support restaurants". Anyone else experiencing anything like this? The scenario presented by countries like italy hasnt even begun and people are already getting complicit and cocky. How do people like this survive in the real world?
No. 536578
>>536504You're assuming everyone who's diagnosed with covid is not being misdiagnosed
>>532635. Also, why anyone's taking a figurehead like POTUS seriously is beyond me.